From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov  1 02:18:12 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:18:12 -0000
Subject: HP Joke in Wallace & Gromit
Message-ID: <dk6j94+njg1@eGroups.com>

The first feature-length Wallace and Gromit film The Curse of the Were-
Rabbit offers an HP-related joke in its opening title sequence. I won't 
divulge the joke here, but you'll notice it in one of the framed 
photographs of Gromit's graduation day ceremonies - indeed, some of the 
most amusing conceits of the movie are to be found in its shop window 
signs or newspaper articles.

Also of interest is that the evil hunter is voiced by Ralph Fiennes, 
the cinematic incarnation of Lord Voldemort.

   - CMC 







From joseph at kirtland.com  Tue Nov  1 02:24:36 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:24:36 -0000
Subject: Happy Halloween!
In-Reply-To: <207.d1852db.3097e845@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dk6jl4+4q95@eGroups.com>

What a great pumpkin for the homepage!  I had commented in the past 
that I have been a fan of Elfquest for over 20 years.  The pumpkin 
looks similar to the WARP Graphics logo - WARP is the publisher of 
Elfquest.  See  http://www.elfquest.com/about.html

Great job, Michele L!

Joe


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, PenapartElf at a... wrote:
>
> Hello to all OTC Denizens!
>  
> As you may have noticed, Halloween is here and 
> one of the carved pumpkins in our photos section 
> has been chosen as the group home page photo.  
> This glowingly lovely pumpkin image ("Wolf 
> Pumpkin by Michele L") was brought to us by 
> truckgal735 last year.
>  
> As you celebrate HALLOWEEN 2005 I hope you will 
> take pictures of all things Potter to share with 
> us here.  A photo album entitled "HALLOWEEN 2005" 
> is now at 
>  
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/photos
>  
> awaiting your contributions.  Thanks!
>  
> Hope you get more Treats than Tricks this year...
> ...beware of anything that looks like a product 
> from WWW!
>  
> :) Penapart Elf
>







From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  1 02:39:29 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:39:29 -0800
Subject: HP novelty songs
In-Reply-To: <dk6j94+njg1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c5de8d$7c67f570$0400a8c0@pensive>

Hi,

A friend who knows my Potter mania, told me that on one of the channels on
his XM satellite radio was playing some funny songs for Halloween the other
night.  He said they dedicated one hour to Harry Potter music.  I wish I'd
heard it!  The two songs he could remember were:

MAMA, DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE MALFOYS
to the tune of don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys by Waylon
Jennings and Willie Nelson

and

HERMIONE'S A VERY NICE GIRL
To the tune of her Majesty, by the Beatles

I wish I could find those songs somewhere to hear them.  They sound
hilarious!

Sherry




From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 03:53:39 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:53:39 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <dk5d86+cqsv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dk6os3+ii08@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bee chase" 
<luckdragon64 at y...> wrote:
>
> Luckdragon:
> I can't believe Jo hasn't changed anything on her website for 
> Halloween. I know she is taking time off, but a few Halloween 
> decorations or a new FAQ poll would not take much. I mean it is the 
> anniversary of Lily & James Potter's deaths, LV's fall, and 
basically 
> the beginning of "The boy who lived". Is anyone else dissapointed?
>

Hi, actually the page has changed, there's a new wizard of the month. 
But you're absolutely right, I NEED SOME UPDATES pronto!!!

Juli






From bumbledore at comcast.net  Tue Nov  1 07:48:38 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:48:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP novelty songs
References: <00e201c5de8d$7c67f570$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <008c01c5deb8$ac19d510$6701a8c0@cauldron1>



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP novelty songs


> Hi,
>
> A friend who knows my Potter mania, told me that on one of the channels on
> his XM satellite radio was playing some funny songs for Halloween the
other
> night.  He said they dedicated one hour to Harry Potter music.  I wish I'd
> heard it!  The two songs he could remember were:
>
> MAMA, DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE MALFOYS
> to the tune of don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys by Waylon
> Jennings and Willie Nelson
>
> and
>
> HERMIONE'S A VERY NICE GIRL
> To the tune of her Majesty, by the Beatles
>
> I wish I could find those songs somewhere to hear them.  They sound
> hilarious!
>
> Sherry

In the newsgroup Alt.binaries.harry-potter, sometimes folks upload various
HP parody songs, like "quidditch ball wizard" sung to the tune of pinball
wizard" and "harry potter" sung to the tune of "hello father", and other
such things.. would be cool if someone had recordings of the songs you
mentioned, and could post them there for everyone to share.




From kkersey at swbell.net  Wed Nov  2 18:48:26 2005
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:48:26 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter week in Austin, Texas?
Message-ID: <dkb1lq+rrsu@eGroups.com>

Some very cool HP events in Austin, TX:

"Harry and the Potters" - FREE show!!!

> On Wednesday, November 9 at 7:00 p.m. the St John Branch, located in
northeast Austin, 7500 Blessing Ave., of the Austin Public Library
will come alive with the music of Harry and the Potters ? an awesome
rock show that plays off the popular books by J.K. Rowling. The
Potters free show is open to wizards and muggles of all ages. For more
information call (512) 974-7400 or visit
www.cityofaustin.org/library/kids.htm
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/news/nr20051012.htm

Also, starting *tonight*, there's a HP film marathon at the Paramount
Theater. Since this is HPf*GU* I suppose I should also mention that
the concession stand serves wine and other alcholic drinks as well as
the classic popcorn, etc. :-) You can get a booklet of ten movie tix
for $45, and just *one* ticket can get you into the triple features on
the weekend. What a bargain!
http://www.austintheatre.org/site/PageServer?pagename=News#hogwarts

A couple more things: 
Harry and the Potters is also playing BookPeople on Monday Nov 7 at 6pm. 

Also, you can enter a drawing for passes to the Goblet of Fire sneak
preview at austinchronicle.com/contests

(I know I'm not the only HPfGU listee in Central TX - if there's any
interest in meeting up to attend any of these events email me off-list
and I'll do my best to coordinate something.)

Elisabet






From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  3 17:56:24 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:56:24 -0000
Subject: Next Author Chat: Lori Summers on Saturday, November 5 at 7:30 PM EST
Message-ID: <dkdj08+d3ls@eGroups.com>

 The next Author chat is one that we have all been waiting for with baited breath.

When somebody is so talented it is so difficult to even know where to start when you talk about their work. 

She started writing `Paradigm of Uncertainty' long before OoTP was released, and even after so many years she has captured all her readers with her magnificent fic and its sequels.

Yes, I am talking about none other than Lori Summers.
 
Plot? I think she wrote the book on it. 

Her chapters are such a treat for readers. Her plotting, detailing, colourful characters, unique innovations, all make for a thrilling read.

I think calling her fics classics would be an understatement. They are the kind that every reader says they have read and every writer wishes they wrote.

If you haven't read her fics as yet you don't know what you are missing. But a warning, don't start reading unless you have a lot of time on hand
because once you start reading you wont be able to stop.

She has graciously agreed to come and host a chat for us and talk about her writing. This is not something that one can afford to miss. 

The chat is to be hosted on Saturday, 5th November, 7:30 pm EST. 

The Chat dates and times (and all time zone translations) are: 


Saturday, November 5, at 7:30 pm EST : This translates to 6:30 pm CST, 5:30 pm MST and 4:30 pm PST in the US; 12:30 am on Sunday, November 6th in London; 01:30 am Sunday in Berlin; 04:30 am Sunday in India and 9:30 am Sunday in Sydney.  (Those of you outside the US might want to double check my translations after DST took effect; not sure they're correct ;) )

Lori currently posts her work at Schnoogle and her own yahoo group.  Her chat is at the WizardTales chatroom at : www.wizardtales.net/chat  Registration is quick and easy, and we look forward to seeing you Saturday night to chat with Lori!


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From michel56 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 20:43:19 2005
From: michel56 at earthlink.net (Michele)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:43:19 -0000
Subject: Happy Halloween!
In-Reply-To: <dk6jl4+4q95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dkgh57+s143@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
>
> What a great pumpkin for the homepage!  I had commented in the 
past 
> that I have been a fan of Elfquest for over 20 years.  The pumpkin 
> looks similar to the WARP Graphics logo - WARP is the publisher of 
> Elfquest.  See  http://www.elfquest.com/about.html
> 
> Great job, Michele L!
> 
> Joe
>


Oh, thank you, Joe!  I appreciate it.
I'm just tickled to have my pumpkin on the Home Page.  Makes me wish 
I had gone ahead and carved the "Harry" I was planning to carve this 
year... but never got around to.

Thanks again,
Michele , apologizing for taking so long to say thank you... where 
are my manners??!!! 









From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Nov  5 23:09:24 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:09:24 +1100
Subject: I'm in the newspaper
In-Reply-To: <dkgh57+s143@eGroups.com>
References: <dk6jl4+4q95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <436DD654.104.3602EB6@localhost>

I'm mentioned in an article in the Melbourne Age newspaper today - 
it's also in the Sydney Morning Herald, apparently.

The text of the main article can be read at:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51163.html

and the entire feature can be seen at:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51217.html

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 00:02:47 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:02:47 -0800
Subject: When canon resembles bad fanfic RE: Smallville
Message-ID: <1a2738400511051602l4355661t105cf651104a209f@mail.gmail.com>

Under other circumstances, a reader may consider a whiny, bitchy male
character as being OOC (out of character) in fanfic--with the
exception of Draco Malfoy, who is bitchy in canon. ;-)

{chuckle} Okay, Smallville is *really* reminding me of bad fanfic when
it comes to characterization... and some storylines--though, SV has
had some good moments this season.  I'm hoping the SV writers aren't
patrolling FF.net, thinking 'hey, this is what fans are writing and
must prefer, therefore, we should write like FF.net fanfic'.  LOL! 
God, I'll keep watching Smallville until Michael Rosenbaum (excellent
actor) leaves.

I posted this yesterday on an SV slash group:
"I admit part of the slash appeal for me is... basis but not
probability--though, I still enjoyed HBO Oz's Beecher/Keller where
Keller says he wants unconditional love from his cellmate, Beecher,
and is willing to kill and die for his love *in televised canon*
(bonus points for both guys doing full/frontal nudity) = angst
slasher's wet dream come true.

I've also enjoyed Harry Potter and Severus Snape slash (AKA Snarry)
and they *detest* to downright hate each other.  Some have speculated
the recent sixth HP book may have damaged the 'Snarry' pairing when
Harry tries to perform an Unforgivable Curse on Snape.  However, Snape
does *not* fully retaliate against Harry's attack and basically yells
at Harry 'to look at the bigger picture'.  I think there was an
amazing amount of slashability.

Moving onto Clark Kent and Lex Luthor, Clark is still a teen raised in
a limiting social circle where he hasn't gained enough experience to
look outside of this... 'box'.  I've seen some question why Clark is
so immature and I reflect on the fact he hasn't taken enough time away
to explore and learn more about different aspects of society--I've
heard 'canon' Clark takes years off to learn from A.I. and explores
the world to acquire a better sense of justice?  Like I said, I'm not
really familiar with the comics.

To me, Clark is acting in a fairly predictable manner and I find
moments of irony where I see Smallville's depiction of Clark's
naivete/immaturity and then read fanfic personifying Clark with the
same characteristic, coupled with closed-mindness and selfishness...
Still, based on his environment and Jonathan Kent most likely being
Clark's chosen role model, Clark's development (or lack of) does kind
of make sense.  These flaws in a young Clark Kent help contribute to
the animosity between him and Lex Luthor.  On a level, they're both
selfish individuals, but in the past, Lex has been flexible with
Clark's demands on their relationship and Clark has turned a 'blind
eye' to some of Lex's less than altruistic traits.

It's interesting to note on the upcoming episode, Splinter (I think
that's what it's called), I get the impression Clark wasn't as blind
to the UST between Lex and Lana... Questionable timing that, when
Clark hooked back up with Lana, Lex was shoved out of the picture."


>From a second message in the discussion but almost redundant to the above:
"I think some of us have this picture of an older and more
*experienced* Clark Kent and we tend to frown on these... mistakes a
young *teen* Clark makes when he's been, at times, forced into, um,
'isolating' himself from part of the typical rituals of growing up,
which could've helped him acquire a wider range of knowledge on
society.  This is on top of the limited 'small town' views Jonathan
Kent may impart on Clark.  However, I'm not saying Jonathan is
necessarily a bad parent just because he implants his ideals onto his
child.

Part of what made some Smallville episodes interesting was how they
tried to offer basis for some of Clark's later characteristics (e.g.
awkward persona) and it would've been interesting if the writers
could've used Clark's *human*--ironically, what Clark's wanted or more
like a want impressed upon him by his surroundings--failings as a
reasonable vehicle for the deterioration between Clark and Lex.  Plus,
by including flaws in Clark, it's also possible to sympathize with Lex
and provide support that 'destiny' (i.e. his role as Clark's nemesis)
isn't always random.

However, with the awkwardness of *both* Clark and Lex's
characterization (jumps forward and then back), I'm of the belief this
wasn't the reasoning for the script choices."

Dina



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 00:06:09 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:06:09 -0000
Subject: I'm in the newspaper
In-Reply-To: <436DD654.104.3602EB6@localhost>
Message-ID: <dkjhdh+rd6d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" <drednort at a...>
wrote:
>
> I'm mentioned in an article in the Melbourne Age newspaper today - 
> it's also in the Sydney Morning Herald, apparently.
> 
> The text of the main article can be read at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51163.html
> 
> and the entire feature can be seen at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51217.html
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately 


bboyminn:

Oh so very cool, Shaun. Good to hear from you again.

Sorry, if life has been rough on you. But, trust me, being average has
 its share of drawback too. At least, you have a potential to draw on.

Take care.

Steve/bboyminn







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov  6 07:03:17 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Nov 2005 07:03:17 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1131260597.25.45406.m28@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 6, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 08:00:53 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:00:53 -0800
Subject: Analyzing the crossdress movie (RE: Sorority Boys)
Message-ID: <1a2738400511060000lc742469k3024ad976723b54b@mail.gmail.com>

Quiet Tiger wrote "Depth and Growth Versus Superficiality and
Shallowness: A Semiotic Analysis of Sorority Boys"--the title is
longer than some of my essays ;-)--for an academic assignment.  A link
for her work is here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sorority_boys/4093.html

It's an entertaining read and provided some different ideas.  Though,
after watching the movie again, I disagree on her assessment of
Adam/Adina being intentionally tripped for the Walk of Shame.  The
guy's expression after s/he stumbled over him (another movie blooper
with the stand-in not matching his previous position between shots)
wasn't one of enjoyment.  Speaking of that scene, the slap Adina
intended for the blocking guy's shoulder also hit the guy next to him
on the face and you can see him rub his cheek--two for the price of
one, indeed.

Anyway, along the way, I thought it'd be kind of fun to bullshit my
way through a Sorority Boys essay, coupled with the fact I'm an Adina
'whore', and the following 'off the top of my head' commentary
resulted.  I'm typing this up with the belief the reader has
familiarity with Sorority Boys, and as usual, I have no idea what I'm
talking about. {g}


For lack of a better title, I'll call this "Look Both Ways Before
Crossing" (AKA Dina Wants To Have Wild Sex With Adina).


>From movies like Some Like It Hot (Tony Curtis = hot chick), Tootsie
(Dustin Hoffman = not so hot chick), Mrs. Doubtfire (not touching
Robin Williams {g}), and now, Sorority Boys, men dressed in 'drag'
have provided comical means for folk to laugh at the 'absurdity' of a
guy wearing a gal's dress.  However, I'm going to say there can be a
thin line between ridiculous and ridicule.

In this subgenre of comedy, some of these movies have the male
characters required/forced into crossdressing with the implication
being they would not do so otherwise, which possibly provides a
certain comfort level for the audience to laugh because the characters
are 'normal' but in an odd situation.  Sorority Boys may be a parody
of gender roles for both men (Kappa Omicron Kappa - KOK) and women
(Delta Omicron Gamma - DOG) in modern society but the stereotyping has
a troubling layer beneath the humour.

These type of movies are also enabling the sense that a man, seeking
the 'equality' of a woman, should feel guilt because it's not 'normal'
(i.e. absurd) for them to don a feminine appearance--whereas, modern
society has become accustomed to seeing many women wear trousers and
suits as they enter arenas dominated by men.  Sorority Boys may have
focused more on social pressures gals go through, but guys also have
societal pressures because of gender expectations that even a
'carefree' character like Adam cannot escape.

In an early K.O.K. house scene from Sorority Boys, Adam ironically
says, "We let one DOG in, next thing you know, we'll have three." 
After Spence steals the KOK'tail cruise money and frames the social
committee (Adam, Dave, and Doofer), Adam, along with Dave and Doofer,
is forced to pledge D.O.G. and be one of three DOGs to enter KOK in an
effort to clear their names of the theft since, as guys, they wouldn't
be allowed entrance to their former dorm.  The plotline--yes, I'll use
plotline in reference to Sorority Boys ;-)--requires the guys to dress
in drag where they eventually find themselves exiled to the 'outcast'
DOG sorority house, which impresses upon the viewer this sense of
abnormality.

As the movie progresses, the three guys juggle their lives as men and
their assumed identities as women.  Each gender role presented its own
set of obstacles, but Dave/Daisy and Doofer/Roberta eased into this
duality and made friends with their housemates at DOG.  On the other
hand, Adam remained uncomfortable with his alternate identity of Adina
and continued to push the other DOGs away.  He couldn't accept who he
was becoming or those who reminded him of his situation.  In Adam's
words, he went from "I was the go-to guy at K.O.K., okay" to "I'm
ugly. I would never fuck me."

In his mind, Adam went from accepted to unacceptable.  Adam's
reluctance (probably coupled with Michael Rosenbaum's talent with
physical comedy and the irony of his better known dramatic role in
Smallville as Lex Luthor) made his character memorable in Sorority
Boys because more folk found him humourous as he struggled to find a
balance with his gender biases.  Ironically or maybe because of it,
Adam/Adina remained one of the most 'sexual' characters, which
triggered additional issues.

Adam had no qualms in using gals as sexual conquests, and as Adina, he
tried conforming 'her' appearance to what he'd find appealing by
wearing form-fitting outfits and heeled shoes to "make [his] legs look
slimmer".  However, his heterosexual nature may have subconsciously
tried to undermine the transformation such as during one scene where
he 'forgot' one of Adina's 'tits' because he possibly knew, as a gal,
he'd be subjected to the [sexual] attention of other guys, which the
movie did have moments where guys assessed him/her as a sexual
partner.  Even though the 'missing tit' scene was humourous, a guy
like Adam would take notice of breasts and if something was amiss.

>From Adam came Eve... or Adina and with her the 'fruit of knowledge'. 
Adam/Adina ends up "seeing behind the curtain", as he would say, and
experiencing some of what women go through in their lives, which Quiet
Tiger's essay delves into, including being a [non-consenting] 'sexual
conquest' for another guy, Jimmy, and having to do the Walk of Shame
himself.  Adam eventually has an emotional breakdown, and it isn't
until Adam reevaluates women as more than 'objects' that he can be
more accepting of 'Adina' and find a way for masculine and feminine
roles to co-exist as evident by his joy in playing sports again, even
dressed as Adina.  He finds there can be strength in femininity.

It's interesting to note, at the KOK'tail cruise when the guys' dual
identities are exposed, Dave is wearing boxers, Doofer's got
urine-stained briefs, but it's Adam who is wearing women's panties and
hosiery**, which matches the 'trait typing' they started with in the
movie.

In the end, Adam, Dave, and Doofer's names are eventually cleared,
Spence's deceit is punished, and by the closing scenes, Adam is sworn
in as the new KOK president, but during the ceremony, he doesn't agree
to 'forsake other houses' for KOK.  They later show a KOK/DOG mixer
and you can see Adam is wearing a tag with 'Adam/Adina' on it, thus
implying his acknowledgement of being Adina and not forgetting 'her'
[as a guilty secret] as he claimed he would attempt to do.  Adam
embraces a new confidence that isn't tied into just one gender role,
and I think he's gained a new awareness of not only those around him
but himself as well.

Hm, I probably should have some closing commentary here... but it's 3am now. {g}

**Heh, bullshit aside, the probable reason for Adam's panties to be
*over* the control top hosiery (other than to prove Superman isn't the
only one who can wear 'knickers' on top of tights) was because
Rosenbaum didn't have his 'bikini' area waxed.  Press releases did
mention the three guys were waxed for hair removal on most of their
bodies, except the groin area, and the very limited Sorority Boys DVD
extras has a brief clip of the guys getting waxed.



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov  6 18:02:09 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Nov 2005 18:02:09 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1131300129.50.39394.m27@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 6, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From erikog at one.net  Sun Nov  6 16:20:14 2005
From: erikog at one.net (krista7)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:20:14 -0000
Subject: Snape's ipod (was: Staff's Activities (was:Re: Snape's Speech patterns)
Message-ID: <dklafu+m6d7@eGroups.com>

Per List Elf suggestion, I'm switching groups to OT for this thread. (It's too much fun to 
abandon!)

I did ask what music Snape has on his iPod originally as a joke, 
but because this is fun, I'm going to run with it:

Betsy Hp:

>But I will say the idea of Hogwarts being totally without music is 
>rather horrifying, personally. Especially when JKR appears to want 
>to paint the WW as home to all that is creative and individual, 
>while Muggles are more bland and generic. (Dumbledore vs. Dursley)


Okay, I've figured out a way for Snape to be a proud iPod owner. 
Of the people who make the most creative/innovative lists (Time, I think,
just did one a few weeks ago), Steve Jobs of Apple is always present. 
As a rabid Mac fan (I won't preach here; I'm just stating my bias), I 
have to say, if anybody big in today's culture is really a wizard, it's got to
be Steve Jobs. Heck, there's even an authorized Harry Potter special 
edition iPod. (It contains all of the HP books as audiobook downloads 
and has an engraving of the Hogwarts crest on the back.) So I think 
SJ is a wizard and iPods are magical, therefore Snape can have one. 
Especially since the iPod nano comes in black. (The old U2 Special 
Edition did, too, but I have a feeling Snape would be a bit torn about
that iPod. There's red on it, Gryffindor red, for one, and two, he might 
like Bono's rock-star-does-good shtick, but he'd probably think him too
goody-goody.) My hunch is he got an iPod mini before, on one of his 
bad days (perhaps even Dumbledore got it for him, in which case, he'd
probably have had a shiny green iPod mini, with something godawful 
like "You Light Up My Life" on it, and a *lot* of Jimmy Buffet), and 
now he's got a glossy black nano.

As for his music: I love the brooding rock teenager idea. (In this case,
we should ask Dan Radcliffe what he'd have, since DR is supposedly
going through the rock phase.) Don't forget, he'll have some Bowie, too! 
And I would suggest Snape's iPod also has more modern rock, too: 
"Take Me Out," by Franz Ferdinand, for example.

And a few interesting odds and ends: "I Will Survive," 
"My Way," (guilty pleasure) "All By Myself," "Fly Away," 
"An Innocent Man." Definitely no "Oops, I Did It Again." 

And I'm sure at least one of the Hogwarts staff figured out how 
to put "I'm Just Wild About Harry" on it. :P

Krista









From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sun Nov  6 20:15:44 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:15:44 -0000
Subject: Northern VA: Auditions for an HP Musical
Message-ID: <dklo9g+41cp@eGroups.com>

For those of you in the No. VA area, I wanted to bring this to your
attention:

"HMS Dumbledore" AUDITIONS: Harry Potter & Gilbert and Sullivan fans
rejoice! You can have the best of both worlds in a new musical based 
on Gilbert and Sullivan's much-loved "HMS Pinafore." Auditions 
for "HMS Dumbledore," Aldersgate Church Children's Theater's (ACCT2) 
2006 musical production, will take place on Saturday, Nov.19, at 1 
p.m. ? 3 p.m., and Sunday, Nov. 20, at 6 p.m. ? 8 p.m. in Wesley 
Hall. Come prepared to sing 16 bars or more of an up-tempo song -- 
folk songs or show tunes preferred. Bring your own sheet music. 
Please no pop songs. Bring all conflicts for dates Nov. 21 through 
Jan. 22, 2006. Call back audition is Monday, Nov. 21 at 6:30 p.m. 
Casting youth ages 7 - 19. Teens especially welcomed. Performance 
dates are January 13, 14, 15, 16, 20, 21, & 22, 2006. For additional 
information, call (703) 765-2235.

http://www.gbgm-umc.org/AldersgateVA01/pages/current.htm

The musical HMS Dumbledore can be visited here.

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/hmsdumbledore.htm

- CMC








From sydenmill at msn.com  Mon Nov  7 23:59:23 2005
From: sydenmill at msn.com (bohcoo)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:59:23 -0000
Subject: I'm in the newspaper
In-Reply-To: <436DD654.104.3602EB6@localhost>
Message-ID: <dkopor+otm0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
>
> I'm mentioned in an article in the Melbourne Age newspaper today - 
> it's also in the Sydney Morning Herald, apparently.
> 
> The text of the main article can be read at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51163.html
> 
> and the entire feature can be seen at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51217.html
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200 
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia
>


>From Bohcoo in reply:
Delighted to hear from you, Shaun! It has been awhile and I have been 
missing your insight.

I am happy to hear about your work with other gifted children. Who 
better to understand than you? Sometimes life kicks us to the curb so 
we can be something soft - and safe - for the next person to land on.

The very best of luck to you! Congrats on the article!

Warmest regards,
Bohcoo 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 03:32:44 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:32:44 -0800
Subject: Mediocre in fanfic = okay, mediocre in vidding = depressing
Message-ID: <1a2738400511071932o7b96eb31h61d14e393952d775@mail.gmail.com>

The fact I'm a mediocre fanfic writer isn't that troubling for
me--adding in the fact I fall asleep from my own writing. {g} 
However, being mediocre at vidding is... gah!  It's very depressing
for me because I invest more in it and there's really no one to help
when you need a 'beta'.

{sigh} I'm having a 'depressed moment'.  Part of getting a better
'eye' or experience is seeing what others are doing, so I saw someone
else's vid and now I'm feeling helpless and depressed because the vid
was *good* and it's like I can never get that good.  This is partly
why I don't watch other vids but doing this undermines learning from
others.

:-( :-( :-(

I'll go back to beta reading Harry Potter slash.  Heh, it's ironic I
can do a *semi*-decent job at fanfic reviews/beta work but it's not
what I want to do.  Instead, I want to do something I'm not good at
and probably never will be, thus, depressing me into wanting to sob
like... Draco Malfoy. ;-)

Dina



From potterfan9349 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 03:29:12 2005
From: potterfan9349 at yahoo.com (potterfan9349)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:29:12 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
Message-ID: <dkp628+otq0@eGroups.com>

Hi!  I am a junior in high school and I am doing a research 
project/paper on the subculture of Harry Potter fans.  If you have 
time, I would greatly appreciate if you answered a few questions to 
help me in my research!  If you are comfortable with it, please send 
to potterfan9349 at yahoo.com your first name and age and the responses 
to all or some of the following:

1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who 
has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie 
premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), how 
big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times have 
you read each one?  Which is your favorite?

3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry 
Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or 
paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?

6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
be and why?

7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
can enjoy them?

8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did you 
dress up?  Describe your experience.

9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there 
specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books, 
saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.

Thank you all SO much!  You have no idea how helpful responses will 
be! If you want, I'll send you the finished paper!  This is my final 
project for AP Language and Composition class and is worth 250 
points and will basically make or break my grade. The more honest 
and open you are, and the more details you provide, the better! 
Thanks again! M.Kelly AKA potterfan9349 at yahoo.com









From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 19:00:50 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:00:50 -0000
Subject: Reviewing underwear Re: Analyzing the crossdress movie (RE: Sorority Boys)
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511060000lc742469k3024ad976723b54b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dkth12+l4mn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> wrote:

> identities are exposed, Dave is wearing boxers, Doofer's got
> urine-stained briefs, but it's Adam who is wearing women's panties and
> hosiery**, which matches the 'trait typing' they started with in the

Aside from past joking with Kaki on, if a guy were to actually wear women's underwear, his 
best bet would be to wear them backwards... {chuckle}  This was back when Christopher 
Meloni (currently starring in Law&Order: SVU) had to don a bra and panties for a scene in Oz.

Anyway, Quiet Tiger brought up how she thought Adam was wearing bikers, so I went back to 
look at a screencap:
http://www.rosenbaumcity.com/copermine/displayimage.php?album=26&pos=240

I think she may be right, however, it looks like there's sheer hosiery over the bikers... all 
underneath the purple bikini.

I stand corrected.

Dina








From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:45:53 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:45:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Warlock Pincers song about Morrissey
Message-ID: <20051109214553.61329.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey all,
I'm going to be guest DJing on a local radio station with the possibility of having my own two hour slot once a week.  I'm looking for an old song by the Warlock Pincers: "Morrissey rides a cockhorse".   It's a hilariously accurate song, but I can't seem to find it or its lyrics.  When I googled Warlock Pincers, one of the sites it suggested was Darkmark.com which got me thinking about asking you lot.
 
Any and all help appreciated.
 
Also... anyone know of any Harry Potter inspired punk?
 
Thanks,
Kemper

		
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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Nov 10 03:28:21 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 03:28:21 -0000
Subject: Warlock Pincers song about Morrissey
In-Reply-To: <20051109214553.61329.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dkueol+d9v2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:

>  
> Also... anyone know of any Harry Potter inspired punk?
>

How about punk-inspired HP filk?

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/stone.htm#Owl_Post_Calling


   - CMC







From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 15:58:28 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:58:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Warlock Pincers song about Morrissey
In-Reply-To: <1131636615.205.30926.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051110155829.72104.qmail@web50507.mail.yahoo.com>


Harry and the Potters!  I haven't listened to them, but I hear good things.  And their name is just fantastic.  Here's a snippet from their website:

 

Paul and Joe are brothers. They started this band in the summer of 2002. The legendary tale of their origin goes like this:

 

Joe was planning to have a rock show in the shed in the backyard. People had been invited. But then all the bands cancelled. So that morning, the time was finally appropriate to bust out an idea that had been incubating in Paul's head for some time: Harry and the Potters. That morning, over the course of an hour, Paul and Joe wrote 7 songs. Then, they went out to the shed and practiced them for half an hour. And then, later in the day, they performed them for about 6 people. It was awesome. The place went nuts. 

 

Nowadays, they don't just play in sheds, they also play in libraries, bookstores, basements, art galleries, theatres, hot dog jamorees (true story!), and living rooms.

 

http://www.eskimolabs.com/hp/

 

Hope this helps!

 

Christine

 

 

Kemper: 

 
Also... anyone know of any Harry Potter inspired punk?




		
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From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 16:20:51 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:20:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Warlock Pincers song about Morrissey
In-Reply-To: <1131636615.205.30926.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051110162051.41980.qmail@web51705.mail.yahoo.com>

I can't beleive that I actually remember "Morrissey
rides a cockhorse". Been a long time since I've heard
that! Sorry, don't know where to find that one, but
for HP punk (ok, not really punk, but they do sound
kind of like a low-rent Modern Lovers on their second
cd) check out Harry and the Potters. 
http://www.eskimolabs.com/hp/news.htm


Tyler



Hey all,
I'm going to be guest DJing on a local radio station
with the 
possibility of having my own two hour slot once a
week.  I'm looking for an old 
song by the Warlock Pincers: "Morrissey rides a
cockhorse".   It's a 
hilariously accurate song, but I can't seem to find it
or its lyrics.  
When I googled Warlock Pincers, one of the sites it
suggested was 
Darkmark.com which got me thinking about asking you
lot.
 
Any and all help appreciated.
 
Also... anyone know of any Harry Potter inspired punk?
 
Thanks,
Kemper


	
		
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From sally.grist at gristiegraphics.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 18:10:16 2005
From: sally.grist at gristiegraphics.co.uk (Sally Grist)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:10:16 -0000
Subject: Warlock Pincers song about Morrissey
In-Reply-To: <20051109214553.61329.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dl02e8+quth@eGroups.com>

If you're looking for Harry Potter inspired punk it's got to be 
Harry and the Potters all the way! 
http://www.eskimolabs.com/hp/ 
Just brilliant! So bad they're good, (but possibly only to fellow 
Harry Potter nerds...)

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I'm going to be guest DJing on a local radio station with the 
possibility of having my own two hour slot once a week.  I'm looking 
for an old song by the Warlock Pincers: "Morrissey rides a 
cockhorse".   It's a hilariously accurate song, but I can't seem to 
find it or its lyrics.  When I googled Warlock Pincers, one of the 
sites it suggested was Darkmark.com which got me thinking about 
asking you lot.
>  
> Any and all help appreciated.
>  
> Also... anyone know of any Harry Potter inspired punk?
>  
> Thanks,
> Kemper
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
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> 
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>







From lealess at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 04:58:26 2005
From: lealess at yahoo.com (lealess)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:58:26 -0000
Subject: C.P. Ellis
Message-ID: <dl18di+9bce@eGroups.com>

A friend told me the amazing story of CP Ellis, who recently died.  He
was a Ku Klux Klan member who turned his back on racial violence.  His
obit from the LA Times,
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ellis9nov09,1,2221722.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
and the interview the quotes in the LA Times article came from:
http://www.cjonline.org/terkelEllisIntervu.htm
A very interesting story.

lealess







From lealess at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 02:13:41 2005
From: lealess at yahoo.com (lealess)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 02:13:41 -0000
Subject: Onion: Half-Baked Theories
Message-ID: <dl3j4l+edka@eGroups.com>

I must be in a post-y mood.  Thought this was funny:

"I'm Very Interested In Hearing Some Half-Baked Theories"
November 9, 2005 | Issue 41?45

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42384/print/

Um, there's probably something objectionable in it.

lealess






From prncss1175 at msn.com  Sat Nov 12 03:55:57 2005
From: prncss1175 at msn.com (Molli Hall)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:55:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dkp628+otq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-F347E9273373B2B3B1A996CC8580@phx.gbl>

I was a School teacher that got hooked on Harry Potter by my students..... 
So I'll be glad to help any student with his homework.

Name:  Molli      Age:  Just turned 30


>1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who
>has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie
>premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), how
>big of a Harry Potter fan are you?
>
I truely believe I'm a 10....


>2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times have
>you read each one?  Which is your favorite?
>

About a week if I read them with the students and About 2 days if I read 
them by myself.  3 times to begin with then I have reread them before movies 
come out and new books.
I think that Order of the Phoenix is my favorite.

>3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry
>Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

It has made me enjoy life....I get to act like a kid and enjoy the magic.  
It taught my kids (inner city kids) that life does not have to be reality 
all of the time.  I loved watching their eyes change when we would all dress 
up and become a Hogwarts class room.
>
>4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

I have waited in line at the book store for 2 hours just to be the first one 
to get the newest release.  The people at the book store know my first name 
now.
>
>5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or
>paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?

Some....The weirdest thing that I have I got for my birthday a couple of 
days ago...It is the Lumos book light ...It is really cool.
>
>6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you
>be and why?

I think I would be Hermione because I was always the girl that hung out with 
the guys because I could not stand the stupid girls....LOL
>
>7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age
>can enjoy them?

They are written in a way that they appeal to everyone....what a child 
reader gets out of it is totally different from what an adult reads into it. 
  Everyone can pull for whom ever they want and they can see good vs evil as 
well as teens just trying to grow up.  (Adults get to laugh at that part 
alittle more than the younger people because we have already been there!!!)
>
>8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did you
>dress up?  Describe your experience.

Yes and Yes I did, I dressed up as Hermione but I could not get my husband 
to dress up as Harry...My one year old son looks just like a Weasley 
child....RED HAIR!!!!!>

>9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

fans are people who read and just enjoy the time spent in the book....FANS 
are people who read and become the BOOK....They live to see what happens 
next.  They want these characters to live and breathe.  They want to see 
certain characters "get together" and root for the victories and cry at the 
defeats.
>
>10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there
>specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

Some might say so.....
>
>11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books,
>saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

This question is funny....I taught Harry Potter in a Catholic School....My 
parents LOVED it.  I would get some that would ask questions at first but 
when they saw that their children would read and did not become GOTH kids 
with pentagrams on their foreheads they were okay.
There are people who are small minded and believe that what their preacher 
says is the Gospel truth, but what they forget is that even parts of the 
Bible were blashophy  when they were first written.  Even the characters in 
the books cannot solve all of their problems with magic.  They show children 
that even The Great Harry Potter needs a little help from his friends every 
now anf then.....
>
>12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.

Just they are going to be classics that will be loved and cherished for a 
long time!!








>From: "potterfan9349" <potterfan9349 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I need you all!
>Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:29:12 -0000
>
>Hi!  I am a junior in high school and I am doing a research
>project/paper on the subculture of Harry Potter fans.  If you have
>time, I would greatly appreciate if you answered a few questions to
>help me in my research!  If you are comfortable with it, please send
>to potterfan9349 at yahoo.com your first name and age and the responses
>to all or some of the following:
>
>1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who
>has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie
>premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), how
>big of a Harry Potter fan are you?
>
>2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times have
>you read each one?  Which is your favorite?
>
>3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry
>Potter books serve beyond entertainment?
>
>4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?
>
>5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or
>paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?
>
>6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you
>be and why?
>
>7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age
>can enjoy them?
>
>8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did you
>dress up?  Describe your experience.
>
>9) What separate the fans from the FANS?
>
>10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there
>specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?
>
>11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books,
>saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?
>
>12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.
>
>Thank you all SO much!  You have no idea how helpful responses will
>be! If you want, I'll send you the finished paper!  This is my final
>project for AP Language and Composition class and is worth 250
>points and will basically make or break my grade. The more honest
>and open you are, and the more details you provide, the better!
>Thanks again! M.Kelly AKA potterfan9349 at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 20:15:29 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:15:29 -0000
Subject: Werewolfs in Harry Potter and in movie Van Helsing (  spoilers)
Message-ID: <dl5ih1+o7oi@eGroups.com>

So,yesterday I discovered just how much JKR's interpretation of 
werewolfs influenced me for better or for worse. Duh! :-)

I bought a DVD of " Van Helsing". I never saw it in the theater and 
someone whose movie recommendations I value very highly recommended 
it to me, so I bought it, fully intending to keep it in my home DVD 
collection. I LOVE fantasy action movies, so I thought it was pretty 
safe buy. 

The movie was good, pretty much 2.5 hours of exciting non-stop 
action EXCEPT the brother of the heroine gets turned into werewolf 
and pretty much gets treated like a monster from now on ( well, 
heroine wants to save him at first, but then she sees how he acts 
and agrees with Van Helsing that he is not her brother anymore) 
Sigh... I caught myself wishing that he would drink some Wolfsbane 
potion ASAP, but nope his soul is free only when he dies.

Yeah, so I kept imagining Remus there and SO disliked that werewolf 
was treated like a monster.

Oh, and when Van Helsing gets bitten, they do find cure, but even 
though heroine manages to inject him, he kills her while she was 
doing it.

Did I manage to get the ending wrong though? Did Van Helsing kill 
Anna or she was already wounded?

In any event, I was SO displeased by the hunt for Anna's werewolf 
brother, that I am not keeping the movie , I am selling it. :-)


Just wanted to share.

Alla.







From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Sun Nov 13 02:48:39 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:48:39 -0500
Subject: Why does God let bad things happen to good people?  (was [HPforGrownups] Dumbledore and Petunia)
In-Reply-To: <dl44bq+kfeg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4i46dd$4quadi@smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net>

 


   _____  

From: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of krista7



To me, the problem with Dumbledore is that he represents an ideal
(the epitome of goodness) and we all want to believe he's 
all-knowing/all-powerful; that he could allow such abuse 
just runs entirely counter to what we believe of his character. 
Actually (just thinking aloud here), I don't consider myself 
an overtly religious person, but the thread about Dumbledore 
and abused Harry really, really, really made me think about 
the ages-old debate of how an all-powerful, all-knowing, 
loving God can let bad things happen to good people. And
since I can't resolve that in a nifty email, I'm just going to
send this thought bubble out to y'all!


Krista



[Now Tammy says:] Okay, I'm taking this here from the main list, because
this is certainly not going to stay a discussion of the books, but I do have
an answer to that question, Krista.  This is, of necessity when discussing
God, going to be a religious message, so if anyone doesn't feel like reading
this, that's fine.  Hit the delete key now.  How can an all-powerful,
all-knowing, loving God let bad things happen to good people?  There are
several reasons for this, but most of them boil down to, in a single word,
agency.  
 
Agency, the ability to choose our own actions, is the greatest gift God gave
us besides life itself.  While we are here on this earth, we are free to
choose our own actions, be they right or wrong, good or bad, and we are held
accountable for the choices we make, to be (eventually) rewarded or punished
for them, according to our choices.  Agency is, in fact, one of the main
reasons why we are even here on earth to begin with (according to my
beliefs, which I suppose should be 'disclaimered' right from the front, here
-- all of this is according to my beliefs, okay?).  We are here because we
needed to have the opportunity to choose for ourselves how we would live our
lives, to follow God (whatever we may call God), or to not.  Some people can
learn to choose the right simply by watching others and learning from what
they do, but some people have to test everything themselves, and cannot
accept others' experiences as lessons for themselves.  God allows us this
agency, this ability to freely choose our own path, in order to test us, to
see if we will follow Him, or not.  Bad people who do bad things are allowed
to continue doing bad things because this is their own choice, this is their
agency in action, and until a people is 'fully ripe in iniquity' (as bad as
they can possibly get, can't get no worse if they tried, absolutely
hellaciously wicked), God allows them to exercise their agency, while
offering them redemption in the form of prophets bringing gospel truths to
them.  If a people is so far gone that none of them will accept these gospel
truths and repent, then God usually wipes them from the face of the earth,
using famine or war or natural disasters to do this.  This pattern has been
established from Old Testiment times, any Bible-readers will agree.
 
Anyway, God MUST allow bad people to do bad things, even to good people,
instead of forcing the bad people to behave, because He cannot take away our
free agency.  That would make us all merely puppets, and would NOT allow us
to grow and develop to our full potential, which is the reason we're all
here in the first place (to grow).  Were God to *FORCE* us all to obey, He
would be working against his own purpose in giving us our free agency, and
would, in effect, cease to be God.  Also, as wicked people continue their
wicked ways, the innocents they prey upon become witnesses, if you will,
against them, contributing to the wicked people's own damnation.  Now, God
being both just AND merciful, He promises blessings on those innocents,
either in this life or in the hereafter, commensurate with their sufferings
here, and with their faith in Him during those sufferings.
 
Another reason why bad things happen to good people is to bring them closer
to God, to give them reason to rely more upon Him, so that He may bless them
more fully.  Think of Job here, as an example -- Job was faithful to his
God, through several horrible losses and through terrible sickness.  Job
lost all he had, his family, his friends, his home, his health, *everything*
he had, except for his faith in his God.  Job didn't know WHY these awful
things were happening to him, but he never ceased to put his trust in his
God, and in the end, God blessed him with a new family, more friends, and
wealth more than double what he'd lost.  Granted, not all of us get to see
such a physical reward for exercising our faith in our God through troubled
times, but I know that, when hard times hit me and my family, like when we
lost our baby girl to severe birth defects, my faith in my God made these
trying times much easier to deal with, and helped ease the pain
tremendously.
 
An imperfect analogy can be drawn beteween God and parents here on earth
(imperfect because, though God is perfect, we mere mortals aren't).  Most
parents would not feel that taking their child in to get his shots is a bad
thing, though the child himself might feel it's the worst thing EVER!  The
parent would know that the shots hurt, but only for a little while, and will
leave their child better protected and more able to fend off illness than if
he didn't get the shots.  Most children, of course, would HATE their parents
(for a while) for MAKING them get stuck with needles in that awful, scary,
too-bright, smells-weird doctor's office, and wouldn't be able to understand
(at the time) why Mommy and Daddy are being so mean.  When that child grows
up, though, and develops a more adult outlook on life, he will come to
realize that his parents did NOT want to hurt him by making him get his
shots, but instead, they had his best interests in mind, and took him for
his shots because they loved him and wanted him to grow up healthy.  Most
parents would not feel that grounding a child who consistantly sneaks out is
such a bad thing, either, though, again, the child would undoubtedly HATE
his parents (for a while) for keeping him locked up like that, though later
in life the child might realize that his parents disciplined him to help him
grow into a decent, upright, good person.
 
In the same way that children cannot understand why their parents take them
for shots, or ground them, or do other things which seem counter to the
child's wants, until the child grows up and realizes that his parents have a
different perspective than he did, we mortal 'children' cannot understand
why this God who, we are told, LOVES us, lets these awful things happen to
us, until we become more like Him and can begin to understand that He, being
eternal and perfect and all-knowing, has a rather different perspective than
we mortal, flawed, confused human beings do.  If we once learn to trust Him
enough to realize that somehow, sometime, some good will come of anything
that happens to us (even if we never see that good in this lifetime), then
all things become more bearable, even the worst and most horrific things
that can happen in this mortal life.
 
I hope that this has helped you, Krista.  And if this is not the answer you
feel you need, then try this one on for size:  
 
Ponder the platypus, then tell me God doesn't like a good joke.  ;-)
 
Tammy Rizzo
HYPERLINK "mailto:ms-tamany at rcn.com"ms-tamany at rcn.com
.


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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 13 07:03:16 2005
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Date: 13 Nov 2005 07:03:16 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
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Hi, everyone!

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Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 13 18:02:19 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 13 Nov 2005 18:02:19 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
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Date: Sunday, November 13, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

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Start time:
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12 pm Mountain
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2 pm Eastern 
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Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 19:57:18 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:57:18 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dkp628+otq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dl85qu+eel1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potterfan9349"
<potterfan9349 at y...> wrote:
Hi! I am a junior in high school and I am doing a research
project/paper on the subculture of Harry Potter fans. ... your first
name and age and the responses to all or some of the following:

Note: I also emailed a copy of this post directly to 'PotterFan9349'.

Name: Steve/bboyminn

Age: too old to tell in public

Location: Minnesota; USA


1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who has
read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie
premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), how
big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

Steve:
I would say I'm about a 6 or 7. I take part in Harry Potter
discussions on-line, get the books as soon as they come out, and see
the movies as soon as they are released, but I never take part in any
public events like book releases, or movie premiers.


2) How long did it take you to read the books? How many times have you
read each one? Which is your favorite?

Steve:
It takes me about 3 or 4 days to read a new book. My mind tends to
wander as I read, so I'm not a fast reader. 

My favorites are 'Goblet of Fire' and 'Prisoner of Azkaban'. Though,
of course, I found the first book very charming and engaging.


3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry
Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

Steve:
Well, not wanting to get overly dramatic, but in a sense, Harry Potter
has given me a reason to live. Not to imply that there is any prospect
that I will die in the near, or hopefully, distant future. I find
Harry Potter very inspiring. I have even been motivated to write some
Harry Potter Fan Fiction; something I've never done with any other
books. I also think that Harry gives me strength to face my own daily
'dragons' and to persevere against life adversities. Again, all I can
say is that Harry Potter is very inspiring on many different levels,
and I think I have become a better person for having read the books.


4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

Steve:
Well, other than writing fan fiction, I haven't really done anything
all that crazy. I'm a pretty conservative guy, unless you want to
count staying up until three o'clock in the morning writing responses
in Harry Potter on-line discussion groups.

I have however, create created on-line maps showing the likely
locations of Hogwarts and the Dragon Preserve in Romania which can be
found at-

"Where in the World is Hogwarts?"
http://www.homestead.com/BlueMoonMarket/Files/Hogwarts/hogwarts1.htm

"Where in the World are Dragons?"
http://www.homestead.com/BlueMoonMarket/Files/Hogwarts/RomDragCenter.html

If you want to see more of my 'Where in the World...' sites, see this
link-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/links/Speculative_Geograph_000972354701/


5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or paraphernalia?
What is your largest or weirdest collection?

Steve:
About the only thing I actually have is a $20 Harry Potter chess set.
However, if my finances would allow it, I would certainly have a lot
more. There is a $300 Harry Potter chess set I would love to have, and
I wouldn't mind having a bunch of Gringott's coins. A Gryffindor
T-shirt wouldn't be bad either. But the Chess Set and the books (at
least two copies of each) are all I actually have.


6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you be
and why?

Steve:
That's actually a hard question. Of course, who wouldn't like to be
Harry, but I find that I identify very strongly with Ron. I'm not sure
why Ron appeals to be so much, but he does. Sorry, I can't be of more
help on this one.


7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age can
enjoy them?

Steve:

In the main Harry Potter Group (HP for Grownups) I answered this
question in detail in post number 142944 -

"The Nature of Popularity - The HP Phenomenon"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/142944

Also, there was a recent discussion that asked why people like Harry
Potter. I think that would also be a great help to you. By the way,
you are free to quote any part of my posts in your school assignment.

You can read my response here-

Re: Why Do You Read the HP Books?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/142751

...and that thread starts here-

Why Do You Read the HP Books?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/142730

These posts should give you tremendous insight into why people are
attracted to Harry Potter.

Overal, I think Harry Potter taps into a universal theme of story
telling. This is how I summarized it in my 'Nature of Popularity'
essay listed above. 

"JKR has tapped into some universal aspect of mankind; she has touched
us at our ancient core."


8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases? Did you
dress up? Describe your experience.

Steve:
No, I don't take part in public events. I did go and pick up the
latest book after midnight at the local store, but I wasn't dressed up
or anything.


9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

Steve:
I think it's a matter of /active/ and /passive/. FANS take an active
part in the world of Harry Potter; they dress up, they create artwork,
they write fan fiction, they take part in discussion groups, etc...
The standard 'fan' reads and enjoys the book and that's about it.


10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans? Are there
specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

Steve:
There are a few things that actually have become so common that they
are accepted language now; I expect them to appear in the dictionary
soon. For example 'FLINT'; this refers to the Slytherin Seeker Marcus
Flint who stayed at Hogwarts one year too long. Since that error was
spotted all subsequent errors have been referred to as FLINTs. 


11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books,
saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

Steve:
I think it is ridiculous; completely unfounded. There are hundreds of
books and movies that are far far more questionable than Harry Potter,
and no one says anything about them. This is nothing more than
self-important alleged religious leaders who are eager to get their
name in the paper and their face on TV.


12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.

Steve:
Other than suggesting you check out some of the links I have provided,
I don't think I have much more to say other that the Harry Potter
series inspires my daily life. I find that it has a strong moral
message and promotes strong values and independant thinking. The
independant thinking is also something that so called religious leader
want to squash.



Thank you all SO much! You have no idea how helpful responses will be!
If you want, I'll send you the finished paper! This is my final
project for AP Language and Composition class and is worth 250 points
and will basically make or break my grade. The more honest and open
you are, and the more details you provide, the better! Thanks again!
M.Kelly AKA potterfan9349 at ...










From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 14:04:41 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:04:41 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dl85qu+eel1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dla5hp+3saa@eGroups.com>

potterfan9349 wrote:
> Hi! I am a junior in high school and I am doing a research
> project/paper on the subculture of Harry Potter fans. ... your first
> name and age and the responses to all or some of the following:

SSSusan:
Unless I missed it, there was no mention of a cutoff date for 
submitting responses, so I hope this isn't too late.

I'm going to piggyback onto some of Steve bboyminn's responses, 
because I don't think I need to restate some of the things he already 
put forth.


Name: Susan/Siriusly Snapey Susan
 
Age: Sigh.  If you really need to know... 43. ;-)  Also a former high 
school social studies teacher, if that makes any difference in any 
way.
 
Location: Indiana, USA
 
> 1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who 
> has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie
> premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), how
> big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

SSSusan:
I suppose an 8.  I get the books the moment I first can, always go to 
the movies on their release day, have been known to sleep in a Harry 
Potter T-shirt, but don't dress in costume, write fanfic, or etc.
 

> 2) How long did it take you to read the books? How many times have 
> you read each one? Which is your favorite?

SSSusan:
I'm not one of those people who can read an HP straight through 
without putting it down.  I need 3-4 days typically (though I did 
read HBP quicker than that, since I felt compelled to have it done by 
the time HPfGU came back live).

I've read each book 3-5 times, and listened to the audio versions of 
each one (except HBP) at least once.

My favorite remains PoA.


> 3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry
> Potter books serve beyond entertainment?
> 
> Steve:
> I find Harry Potter very inspiring. 

SSSusan:
I do, as well, Steve.  What drew me in to the first book, besides 
Jo's excellent storytelling & tremendous sense of inventive humor, 
was her ability to **understand** and **convey** what really matters 
to an 11-year-old.  She made me remember what it felt like to be that 
age.  

And as for inspiration, Harry strikes me as a very noble person.  I 
know that is an oversimplification, and I know he is not perfect -- 
who wants a perfect hero?? -- but his heart seems to me to be 
essentially true, he wants to do the right thing, and I think that is 
inspiring, indeed.


> 4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?
 
SSSusan:
Admit I'm a "list elf" for an adult online HP discussion group ;-) 
and attend an HP convention.


> 5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or paraphernalia?
> What is your largest or weirdest collection?
 
SSSusan:
I don't think anything I own is particularly weird, but I do have 
several of the HP Lego sets: the Hogwarts Express, the Knight Bus, 
DD's Office, etc.  I *love* my Quidditch T-shirt which I bought at 
The Witching Hour in Salem and also love to wear my "We Know Who, You 
Know Where" T-shirt from The Leaky Cauldron.  I have a Rickman!Snape 
keychain and pen, PoA magnets on my fridge, the HP SceneIt game, a 
Snape/McGonagall/DD mug, and a lovely little teacup and saucer with 
an illustration of Harry, et al., crossing the lake towards Hogwarts 
for the first time.


> 6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
> be and why?

Steve:
> That's actually a hard question. Of course, who wouldn't like to be
> Harry, but I find that I identify very strongly with Ron. I'm not 
> sure why Ron appeals to be so much, but he does. 

SSSusan:
Funny -- before I got to Steve's response, I was thinking of Ron 
myself.  And I do think it'd be interesting to be Ron... though I'm 
not sure he'd really be my first choice.  I think I'd make a good 
Minerva McGonagall (heh heh)... but again I'm not sure I'd want to BE 
her.  So I think maybe it would be Ginny.  It'd be fun to have grown 
up in that family and have learned from Fred & George, to be spunky & 
talented & an excellent Quidditch player in my own right.  Besides, 
she might end up with Harry in the end. ;-)

 
> 7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
> can enjoy them?

SSSusan:
I don't have any elaborate theory or deep reason in mind.  I just 
think it's a testament to JKR's storytelling and character-drawing 
abilities.  She uses humor creatively and effectively.  She writes 
characters which can seem nicely black & white to little kids (who 
often like/want that) but which can seem deeply grey to us big people 
(who often like/want that).  The stories are exciting, the mysteries 
are intricate and detailed, and she's clever as all get-out!

 
> 8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases? Did you
> dress up? Describe your experience.

SSSusan:
Went to the last midnight book release with my daughter, but did not 
dress up.  It was fun to be there, sharing in everyone's enthusiasm, 
answering trivia questions while we waited in line.


> 9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

Steve:
> I think it's a matter of /active/ and /passive/. FANS take an active
> part in the world of Harry Potter; they dress up, they create 
> artwork, they write fan fiction, they take part in discussion 
> groups, etc... The standard 'fan' reads and enjoys the book and 
> that's about it.

SSSusan:
I'm actually going to disagree(?) with Steve a *little* bit here.  
Whereas based upon the "definition" potterfan9349 provided for rating 
ourselves 1-10, Steve gave himself 6-7 and I gave myself an 8, I'm 
not sure I'd have defined things in the rating exactly as 
potterfan9349 did.  IOW, I think the typical, *frequent* poster at 
HPfGU is actually pretty close to being a FAN.  

Maybe it's not fair of me to judge, or maybe we need *three* 
classes:  fans, Fans and FANS.  If we had that, then I think I'd say 
the average, frequent poster at HPfGU is at least a Fan.  The reason 
I say this is that I think we tend to compare ourselves to one 
another around here -- "Well, I don't write FILKs, so I'm not *as* 
big a fan as X" or "Well, I post, but I don't post daily, so I'm not 
*as* big a fan as Y" or whatever.  BUT... if you compare most of us 
who are active around here to, say, people in our own communities, 
how do we fare then?  

I took my daughter to an HP party at our public library this past 
weekend, and one of the women running the event kept referring to 
Voldemort as VAL-demort.  And nobody corrected her!  And that got me 
to thinking... I'm the biggest HP fan I know in my town of 17,000.  
Does that make me a FAN?  Maybe it does.  Yet, I don't write fanfic, 
I don't write FILKs, I don't dress in costume, and I have a lot of 
other activities I involve myself in besides HP.  

So I guess I'm saying it depends upon what group of people you choose 
to compare yourself to.  Personally, I like the fan, Fan and FAN 
distinction, and would place myself as a Fan.


> 10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans? Are there
> specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?
> 
> Steve:
> There are a few things that actually have become so common that they
> are accepted language now; I expect them to appear in the dictionary
> soon. For example 'FLINT'....

SSSusan:
I agree.  Think about everything a newbie around here has to pick up -
- and I don't just mean our most popular TBAY acronyms like MAGIC 
DISHWASHER or LOLLIPOPS.  I mean shorthand like ESE! and OFH!  I mean 
even the way American fans have adopted some of the British words and 
phrases and comfortably use them now.  I mean even knowing what a 
FILK is (which, true, isn't exclusive to the HP fandom, but...).  


> 11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books,
> saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?
> 
> Steve:
> I think it is ridiculous; completely unfounded. 

SSSusan:
Totally agree.  Frightened of things which appear to be a challenge 
to their "authority."  Most likely haven't actually READ the books.  
Unwilling to be open to the truth that these books are ALL about good 
vs. evil, making difficult choices, doing the right thing over what 
is easy, being loyal and faithful and true.  I think some of these 
people simply wouldn't be content unless Jo decided to place some 
EXPLICIT "This is a Christian book!" statement into things, which I 
find pretty pathetic.  


> 12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.

SSSusan:
Not much except that the entire experience has enriched my life.  The 
books themselves first, of course, and then discovering this whole 
online fandom which has allowed me to make connections & friendships 
and to enjoy banter and thoughtful discussion.  And something like 
this may never happen again in my lifetime -- what fun to be along 
for the ride as it unfolds!

Good luck with your project!

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 20:35:17 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:35:17 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dkp628+otq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlase5+o92d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potterfan9349" 
<potterfan9349 at y...> wrote:

> 
> 1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who 
> has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie 
> premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), 
how 
> big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

Probably about an eight and a half - I'm just too far away from the 
big cities and no car, and I like my bed too much - midnight book 
shop opening - tsk whatever next?  besides which I work shifts and 
run a home, a husband and a teenage son - I just want to sit down and 
read!
> 
> 2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times have 
> you read each one?  Which is your favorite?

Probably the first 3 over a few days each, but by the time GoF came 
out I had my order in at Amazon and was waiting for the postman.  So 
I read the last three in a day each.  My favourite is Goblet of Fire 
at the moment and I think Order of the Phoenix is my least fave.  I 
still haven't managed to read Half Blood Prince for the second time, 
but the others I've read 3 or 4 times each.
> 
> 3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry 
> Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

Gives me an alternate reality and in the words of the famous website 
whenever I come across a situation I'm unfamiliar with I ask myself -
 "What would Dumbledore do?"
> 
> 4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

Not really into crazy - hubby would say it's telling everyone to shut 
up if they're dare to talk over an advert or something.
> 
> 5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or 
> paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?

Nothing - just a mug (oh and several reams of paper with abandoned 
Fan Fic tales!)
> 
> 6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
> be and why?

Tonks - because she's cool and I think quite like me in character
> 
> 7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
> can enjoy them?

They are non-biased, easy to read and sooo clever.  there's so many 
different levels that I can appreciate them in a different way to my 
son (who has grown up with them from age 7 to now, nearly 16) and my 
hubby.  there's something for everyone.  I just love the imagination 
it requires to create an entire Potterverse - I am in awe of JKR.
> 
> 8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did 
you 
> dress up?  Describe your experience.

Nah!  See previous answers
> 
> 9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

"Mum, is there anything about Harry Potter you don't know?"
> 
> 10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there 
> specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

We all know who 'Voldy' is if that's what you mean, oh and I learnt 
what a shipper was from Harry Potter!!
> 
> 11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books, 
> saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

What a load of tosh - it's fictional writing for Merlin's sake!!
> 
> 12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books.

Its all been said already and so much more eloquently than I can do 
now.







From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 23:28:29 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:28:29 -0000
Subject: I'm in the newspaper
In-Reply-To: <436DD654.104.3602EB6@localhost>
Message-ID: <dlb6it+door@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" 
<drednort at a...> wrote:
>
> I'm mentioned in an article in the Melbourne Age newspaper today - 
> it's also in the Sydney Morning Herald, apparently.
> 
> The text of the main article can be read at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51163.html
> 
> and the entire feature can be seen at:
> 
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/drednort/51217.html
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately >Snip<

*****\(@@)/*****

Great article Shaun. One of the better ones I have seen on the 
subject. I can definitely identify with much in the article... While 
my experiences were not as extreme as yours, I have always been "the 
fish out of water" among my peers. I have been able to find ways of 
coping and dealing with the world and have managed to find ways of 
making my work very satisfying (though one co worker has been 
jealous/intimidated by the complexity and amount of work I can 
produce during the day *big grin*) Generally I try to get as much 
enjoyment and fun as I can and for those who think we should dumb 
down to fit in - get over it!!!! EVERYONE is special in their own 
way!

Dudemom_2000  (who had a really, really, really good time being over 
50 and absolutely fabulous in Las Vegas for a whole week!)

*****\(@@)/*****







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 15 00:54:37 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:54:37 -0000
Subject: "I Like Bats Better Than Bureaucrats"
Message-ID: <dlbbkd+ns5p@eGroups.com>

That's what CS Lewis said concerning his focus in The Screwtape 
Letters: his symbol for Hell was not the bat-winged demon of medieval 
mythology, but the iron-gray bureaucracy of the contemporary super-
state/mega-corporation.

Benjamin Barton at the University of Tennessee Knoxville has written a 
paper titled "Harry Potter and the Half-Crazed Bureaucracy," an 
examination of Rowling's jaundiced take on modern bureaucracy via her 
portrayal of The Ministry of Magic. The abstract can be found here:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=830765


   - CMC








From lucianam73 at yahoo.com.br  Tue Nov 15 00:21:07 2005
From: lucianam73 at yahoo.com.br (lucianam73)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter iPods and audio books at iTunes
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400509071339515611df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dlb9lj+hjra@eGroups.com>

Dina Lerret wrote:
>
> Saw an ad for the Harry Potter iPod.  Heh.
> 
> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?
iPodStore=yes
> 
> Apple engraves the Hogwarts' crest into the iPod.  Plus, pay some
> serious $$$ and you can download the HP audio books (legally) from
> iTunes.

Lucianam:

I'm glad I did the yahoosearch, I was going to post this as a new 
thread. 

I really am curious to know if anyone has got it? It's so cute, I'm 
dying for it - only it's absurdly expensive, in my opinion (or for 
my pocket, rather).
Actually the iPod itself doesn't cost more because of the crest 
(which is wicked!!!!) but the price really sores up to the heavens 
when you add up the six HP audiobooks that are included in it.

I found the HP audiobooks very expensive, specially when you browse 
the iTunes music store and compare the prices of other audiobooks 
available. 

And still on the subject of audiobooks, who do you guys prefer, Jim 
Dale or Stephen Fry? I was under the impression that Jim Dale was 
american, but I heard some chapters from OotP and think he is 
british.

I really have to compliment those Aplle people on their pretty 
design. The HP iPod is cute enough to eat, I'm afraid.

Not getting any publicity money from Steven Jobs,
Lucianam








From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Tue Nov 15 02:05:29 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee chase)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:05:29 -0000
Subject: I've got the golden ticket...er egg!
Message-ID: <dlbfp9+ri5m@eGroups.com>

Luckdragon:
I've got my tickets to see GOF Thursday at midnight. Has anyone 
managed to see it yet at one of the preview showings? I was 
dissappointed at how much POA movie differed from the book; hope this 
director tries to stick a little closer to the storyline.






From valkyrievixen at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 09:47:20 2005
From: valkyrievixen at yahoo.com (M.Clifford)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:47:20 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dlase5+o92d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlcar8+n5c3@eGroups.com>

<plungy116 at a...> asked:
> > 1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who 
> > has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie 
> > premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), 
> > how big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

Valky:
I'd say 8ish add about an extra half for being able to ponder casually
about Snape's loyalties in the midst of a riot. <g> 


> > 2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times 
> > have you read each one?  Which is your favorite?
> 

Valky:
Not a one took more than a day to read twice. I can be voracious, me ;D


> > 3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry 
> > Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

Valky:
I was avowed never to be this attached to an internet community, once.... 




> > 4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?
> 

Valky:
No comment :|




> > 5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or 
> > paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?

Valky:
Only the books myself, but I have started recieving notices from my
relatives that they have Harry Potter marked down next to my name on
their christmas lists. I don't know why they didn't so it sooner
though, perhaps they hoped the madness would pass. <bg>



> > 
> > 6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
> > be and why?

Valky:
I would choose to be Tonks, metamorphmaguses seem to have it all. But
if it was a person like me I'd probably be Remus. 



> > 7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
> > can enjoy them?

Valky:
Not sure, but it would be nice to bottle it wouldn't it? <g> It could
be the compelling characters, the plot intricacies - might be the
wonderfully entreating Potterverse so well created that it seems
alive... or maybe it's the belly-laughs. It's probably the laughs. :)



> > 8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did 
> > you dress up?  Describe your experience.

Valky:
No I haven't, but I lined up early for OOtP and HBP feeling a bit
underdressed. 


> > 9) What separate the fans from the FANS?


> <potterfan9349 at y...> wrote:
> 
> "Mum, is there anything about Harry Potter you don't know?"

Valky:
Oh ME TOOO!


> > 
> > 10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there 
> > specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

Valky:
an evergrowing list.. I think I *am* keeping up with the most part of
it, I do love the acronyms.



> > 11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books, 
> > saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?


Valky:
"Plank in your eye, dear?" Generally.  



> > 
> > 12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter 
> books.

I think I have already outdone myself there on the main list. I
generally have too much to say, I find, so I reckon you might be
grateful if I spare you. 








From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 14:29:29 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:29:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I've got the golden ticket...er egg!
In-Reply-To: <dlbfp9+ri5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051115142929.15089.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I bought my tickets for the midnight premier on Fandango a couple of weeks ago.   Here in Nashville, it's showing on the IMAX screen!
   
  The midnight show and the 7:00 Friday night show have already sold out, so I'm glad I got my tickets when I did.  
   
  Personally, I like the movies.  At first, I was bothered by all the differences from the book, but now, I just enjoy the movies for their own entertainment value.  When I want canon, I go to the books.  
   
  Just my two knuts.
   
  MJ

Bee chase <luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
  Luckdragon:
I've got my tickets to see GOF Thursday at midnight. Has anyone 
managed to see it yet at one of the preview showings? I was 
dissappointed at how much POA movie differed from the book; hope this 
director tries to stick a little closer to the storyline.





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From vivienne_davalon at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 15:55:01 2005
From: vivienne_davalon at yahoo.com (vivienne_davalon)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:55:01 -0000
Subject: HP Symposium
Message-ID: <dld0cl+p6ar@eGroups.com>

I have uploaded my essay recounting my adventures at the HP Symposium: 
Real Life Adventures in Wizardry -- a presenter's personal account of 
the 2005 Harry Potter Symposium, "The Witching Hour," Salem, MA October 
6-10 (? 11/14/05)  It is at Snape's Grove and also in my Live Journal, 
found at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/viviennedavalon/

BB,
Vivienne









From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 23:48:44 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:48:44 -0000
Subject: Paolini's Eldest  -  Misprinted edition
Message-ID: <dlds4s+71is@eGroups.com>

I had high hopes to get to actually sit down and fully read this book 
but have been hampered by circumstances beyond my control for the past 
month or two. So far I am about a third of the way into the book and 
last night I started reading and found I have one of the misprinted 
books! I a missing pages 231 through 269 and 397 through 428! Parts of 
the book Inkspell were inserted. I did a search and found out there 
are about 1,000 copies like this that got out. Thank goodness I also 
bought the audio book and now I have to listen to it in the car to get 
through the missing bits! The way my luck is running, the author will 
be reading one of the misprinted books! So far the story is good and I 
am enjoying it. The audio book is just as superb as the first one was. 
Guess I will be hanging on to this misprinted edition.....now if only 
I can get Christopher Paolini to sign it........

Dudemom_2000

****\(@@)/*****






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 04:19:58 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:19:58 -0000
Subject: Movie - Anyone in the Lansing Area??
Message-ID: <dlec1e+2gv1@eGroups.com>

Is there anyone here going to the movie in the Lansing/ East Lansing, 
Michigan area??

I am trying to get up a band of Death Eaters to go to the theater, but 
most of the folks I have talked to are not into dressing up. Is there 
anyone here from the Lansing area that knows how to have fun?? I have 
costumes to loan.. Snape, and a few death eaters and a dementor. I am 
going as Bella and a friend is Narcissa. Could pull together a Lucius 
if necessary. Any takers?

Mugglebating, ya. ;-)

Ah.. now I have tell who I am..

Tonks_op
(I know, I know ...but sometimes I think Death Eaters have more fun)







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 05:48:26 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:48:26 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dla5hp+3saa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dleh7a+h5hf@eGroups.com>

> potterfan9349 wrote:
> > Hi! I am a junior in high school and I am doing a research
> > project/paper on the subculture of Harry Potter fans. ... your 
first name and age and the responses to all or some of the following:
----------------
Tonks_op here:

I too will agree with much of what Steve has said. Here are the 
additional responses of my own.
 
> Name: Tonks_op
>  
> Age: 50 something member of AARP
 
> Location: Michigan, USA
>  
> > 1) On a scale of 1 to 10 

I am a 10+. I get the books early, read them many times, have the 
tapes. I go to every Movie at least twice. I go to conferences, I am 
just obsessed. Can talk about Harry Potter books for hours with 
anyone who will listen. I dress up as often as possible and get 
others to do so. Encourage others to read the books. Am writing a 
book about the Harry Potter books, and much more. 

 2) How long did it take you to read the books? How many times have 
> > you read each one? Which is your favorite?
 
I live to savor them, so I take about 4 to 5 days.  I have read each 
one at least 4 times. I like Half Blood Prince the best, despite the 
fact that my most favorite character dies.  My second favorite book 
is Goblet of Fire, because it teaches children what real evil looks 
like and give them courage to endure.

 3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry
 Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

I have become obsessed with the series and the ideas in it. 
The books are SO much more than entertainment. There is a very deep 
spiritual meaning in the books.  Like Steve and SSSusan I find the 
books inspiring. I love the saying of Dumbledore, he is such a holy 
man. If we could all follow what he teaches the world would be a 
better place.  JKR, with her great talent, is a gift to us all.

 4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

Went trick or treating to my priest's home on Halloween dressed as 
Bella with an 80 year old friend who was dressed as a Death Eater.

 5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or 
paraphernalia? What is your largest or weirdest collection?

I own almost everything ever made in the U.S. (there are some cool 
things from Japan that they will not send here.) I have some items 
from the U.K. that I got on E-bay.  I will have to buy a house to 
put it all in.  I wanted to get the blow up of Aunt Marge, but did 
not have the money to bribe the theater to sell it to me.  I plan to 
get the life-size Dobby for Christmas.  The only thing I missed and 
want SO, SO bad, is the Dumbledore pocket watch.  Someday I will 
have one.
  
  6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
 be and why?

That is a very hard question.  When I dress up I am many different 
ones.  Sometimes I am McGonagall, Hooch, Tonks, and lately Bella. 
(death eaters have more fun!) I mostly identify with Dumbledore and 
aspire to be like him. He is very wise, very holy, he knows what is 
important in life and what to overlook. He has a twinkle in his eye 
and a dry wit.  He is the most Christ like person in the books. He 
is the end product of Alchemy, the base metal turned into the gold.  
He is one with God.
 
 7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
 can enjoy them?

She uses the ideas of Carl Jung and images from the collective 
unconscious that speaks to all people, all ages.  She also is a good 
story teller. And story telling is the age old method to convey deep 
spiritual truths.
  
 8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases? Did 
you  dress up? Describe your experience.

I am too old to sit through a movie that doesn't get out until 3:00 
am, but my heart is there with them.  I go to the book parties even 
though I do not have to do so to buy the books. (I will not explain 
that, so don't ask.) In July I and a friend went to 3 different 
parties, in 3 different towns.  Got home at midnight.

 9) What separate the fans from the FANS?
 
I agree with Steve.  Many folks are fans of HP, but some of us are 
obsessed FANS.

 10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans? Are there
> > specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

Agree with Steve and Susan.

 
11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books,
 saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

Sad, very sad indeed. Sometimes I thing that Jesus' greatest enemies 
are some of his own followers. Many people do not think for 
themselves and blindly follow what others tell them. They mean well, 
but they are misguided.  They have not read the books themselves. 

Also to some extent they are correct. Most of the HP fans think that 
the wizard world is just make-believe. The people who are opposed to 
the books know that it is not.  That world does exist and can be a 
dangerous place for someone drawn to it.  The HP books do aim at 
children age 10 to 13 which is the right age to indoctrinate a young 
person. Also this is the age that many kids go through a faze of 
interest in witchcraft, I know I did at that age.  So to some extent 
the opposers have a valid fear.  And there are some children who do 
become interested in the occult after reading HP, I know because I 
have talked to them myself. 

Now having said all of this, do I think that the HP books are bad?  
NO. The HP books are very strong Christian books. Even JKR herself 
has said that if we knew what she believed we would know what is 
coming in the books.  There is much Christian symbolism in the books 
and I think that the aim of the books is to teach not witchcraft, 
but deep spiritual truth that transcends all religions.  On the 
inside book jacket to the US version of book 6 it even admits that 
she draws on comparative religions.  I think that JKR is smuggling 
God into schools and homes and places where many people would never 
consider even thinking about spiritual issues. She does it very 
well, like a good hypnotherapist.  Carl Jung would be proud of her!

12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter books. 

I agree with Susan .. it is such a great time to be alive and to be 
a part of something so meaningful to so many people all over the 
world. 

Tonks_op










From sionwitch at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 23:00:47 2005
From: sionwitch at yahoo.com (sionwitch)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:00:47 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
Message-ID: <dlgdmv+6ga2@eGroups.com>

In an interview on Empire Magazine Michel Gambon sayd:

Empire magazine: "Are you kind of easing into the role a bit more now
you have done one film as Dumbledore?"

Michel Gambon: "I just play him as myself, I don't ease myself into
any role really. I stick a beard on and play me. Every part I play is
just a variant of my own personality. No real character actor, of
course, just me."

Empire magazine:"What makes Dumbledore the greatest wizard of all time?"

Michel Gambon: "I have no idea. I learn the lines that JK Rowling or
whoever writes them, and say them. There's no subtext in Harry Potter
really; it's all magic, anything can happen. Why do I say this?
Because it's a magic spell. It's quite nice in a way. There is a real
freedom to it. Doesn't say much for acting does it?"

 Empire magazine: "Have you still not read any of the books?"

Michel Gambon: "Well, I don't see any point. I've got the scripts.
People who have read the books get miserable because of all the bits
that have been cut out. So I just read the script. That's the best way."

You can find the link for the entire interview in mugglenet or in HPANA.

I don't know about you but I'm so hurt with the way this guy express
about doing Dumbledore, he does not deserves the privilege. He said
that he have no idea of what makes Dumbledore the greatest wizard of
all time. He doesn't care about learning who this character is and he
doesn't even dress like him, don't talk like him, don't do anything
like Dumbledore would, well, maybe some jokes he does like him.
I would like to ask all of you that, if you are as mad as I'm about
Gambon playing Dumbledore, we have to make some noise.
We may try at least to make Warner Bros consider the possibility to
change the actor or to make him act (at least) as the books describe
Dubledore is.
I really miss Richard Harris, he will always be Dumbledore in my mind.
Sionwitch.












From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 23:54:20 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:54:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgdmv+6ga2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051116235420.98952.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com>



sionwitch <sionwitch at yahoo.com> wrote:
  In an interview on Empire Magazine Michel Gambon sayd:

Empire magazine: "Are you kind of easing into the role a bit more now
you have done one film as Dumbledore?"

<Snipped interview> 
You can find the link for the entire interview in mugglenet or in HPANA.

I don't know about you but I'm so hurt with the way this guy express
about doing Dumbledore, he does not deserves the privilege. He said
that he have no idea of what makes Dumbledore the greatest wizard of
all time. He doesn't care about learning who this character is and he
doesn't even dress like him, don't talk like him, don't do anything
like Dumbledore would, well, maybe some jokes he does like him.
I would like to ask all of you that, if you are as mad as I'm about
Gambon playing Dumbledore, we have to make some noise.
We may try at least to make Warner Bros consider the possibility to
change the actor or to make him act (at least) as the books describe
Dubledore is.
I really miss Richard Harris, he will always be Dumbledore in my mind.
Sionwitch.  Kemper now:
  I don't think many of the actors have read the books.  Their loss.  I wasn't a big fan of Gambon's performance.  He sounds like a self-absorbed a-hole... instead of Fiennes, maybe Gambon should have played Voldemort.  
   
  I would rather raly for a solution than a gripe.
What about Ian McKellen as Dumbledore?  I pictured him even before LotR and was disappointed with Harris' selection for the role.  

		
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 00:45:13 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:45:13 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgdmv+6ga2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlgjqp+hd0u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sionwitch" <sionwitch at y...>
wrote:
>
> In an interview on Empire Magazine Michel Gambon sayd:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Empire magazine:"What makes Dumbledore the greatest wizard of
> all time?"
> 
> Michel Gambon: "I have no idea. I learn the lines that JK Rowling
> or whoever writes them, and say them. ...edited..."
> 
> Empire magazine: "Have you still not read any of the books?"
> 
> Michel Gambon: "Well, I don't see any point. I've got the 
> scripts. People who have read the books get miserable because 
> of all the bitsthat have been cut out. ..."
> 
> You can find the link for the entire interview in mugglenet or
> in HPANA.
> 
> I don't know about you but I'm so hurt with the way this guy
> express about doing Dumbledore, he does not deserves the 
> privilege. ...edited... I really miss Richard Harris, he will 
> always be Dumbledore in my mind.
>
> Sionwitch.
>

bboyminn:

I can understand your hard feelings, and to some extent I share them,
but on the other hand, this is very common. Gambon is not making the
book, he is making the movie, and in making the movie, he has to play
the character as written in the script, and has to work to carry out
the Director's artistic vision. 

Even Draco/Tom_Felton didn't read the first book when he did the movie
because he wanted to come into the role fresh, he wanted to be able to
act as a tool of the director, and to take the character in a
direction that the director felt was correct. I'm sure he felt that if
he read the books, it would just confuse him, he would come into the
role with preconceived notions about who and what the character was
and should be, and there is a chance that those preconceived notions
would conflict with the artistic vision of the director.

So, this is very common amoung experienced professional actors. They
read only the script and concentrate on making the movie, and try hard
not to let outside influences conflict with the script or director's
vision.

That said, as fine an actor as Gambon may be, I'm not sure he makes
the very best Dumbledore. Certainly an adequate Dumbledore; an
exceptable Dumbledore, but perhaps not the best. I really did like
Richard Harris as Dumbledore. He could be whimsical, but I have
absolute confidence that Harris could also portray the power and fury
of Dumbledore when the time came. I also suspect that Gambon, at the
time, was the only man for the job. 

I will also concede that Gambon doesn't really dress the part of
Dumbledore properly. I think Dumbledore has an arua of formal dignity
about him as well as an arua of whimsy, and that would not allow him
to tie his beard with a rubberband and where a burlap bag for a robe.

Ian McKellen might have been a good choice, but after playing a wizard
in 'Lord of the Rings', he probably wasn't real eager to play another.
Plus he may have had other commitments.

Another suggestion I read about recently was Patrick Stewart (Star
Trek: Next Generation) as Dumbledore. I think he could have been a
very good candidate. He is an excellent actor. I'm sure he could play
whimsical, and I'm confident he could play the anger and fury when
called on. Plus he has a really nice voice. Also, Patrick Stewart
seems to have an energy about him, a certain vitality that could lend
itself well to Dumbledore.

Perhaps we will get lucky and Gambon will not be available, and the
part will go to Patrick Stewart in the later films.

Just a thought.

Steve.bboyminn








From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 17 01:04:25 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:04:25 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgjqp+hd0u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c5eb12$db48b0c0$0400a8c0@pensive>

bboyminn:

So, this is very common amoung experienced professional actors. They
read only the script and concentrate on making the movie, and try hard
not to let outside influences conflict with the script or director's
vision.

That said, as fine an actor as Gambon may be, I'm not sure he makes
the very best Dumbledore. Certainly an adequate Dumbledore; an
exceptable Dumbledore, but perhaps not the best. I really did like
Richard Harris as Dumbledore. He could be whimsical, but I have
absolute confidence that Harris could also portray the power and fury
of Dumbledore when the time came. I also suspect that Gambon, at the
time, was the only man for the job. 

Another suggestion I read about recently was Patrick Stewart (Star
Trek: Next Generation) as Dumbledore. I think he could have been a
very good candidate. He is an excellent actor. I'm sure he could play
whimsical, and I'm confident he could play the anger and fury when
called on. Plus he has a really nice voice. Also, Patrick Stewart
seems to have an energy about him, a certain vitality that could lend
itself well to Dumbledore.

Perhaps we will get lucky and Gambon will not be available, and the
part will go to Patrick Stewart in the later films.

Just a thought.

Steve.bboyminn



Sherry:

I remember my great disappointment when I saw POA and saw/heard Gambon's
Dumbledore.  it was so different from Harris, but even more, it was so
different from the Dumbledore i thought i knew.  Even recently, I dug out my
DVD and showed it to a friend.  I didn't dislike the movie quite as
intensely this time around, time and distance I guess, but Gambon was still
heartbreakingly not Dumbledore.

I read Sean Aston's autobiography of filming LOTR.  i think there was one
major actor who didn't read the books, but in general, they all did, in
order to understand their character and its motivations.  He said they
called it "the bible" and in difficult filming situations would consult it.

That being said, I can kind of understand what you said about the actors not
wanting to have a preconceived idea of a character, yet Dumbledore is so
important and so deep, it seems it could have been a good idea to read about
him, at least.  his comments about always playing himself, no matter what
role he's in says a lot about his acting.  The best actors can put
themselves aside and become the character, not themselves.  i have a friend
who doesn't like Sandra Bullock movies, for instance, because he says she
always plays herself.

But wow, Patrick Stewart!  now he would be a good Dumbledore.  He can be
angry, whimsical, classy, kind.  I can just hear him offering people a lemon
drop, or battling with Voldemort at the ministry or any of the other
Dumbledore scenes in the future.  Hmmm, where's my wand?  i need to create
circumstances that would make Gambon too busy to do the next movies!  grin.

Sherry




From sionwitch at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 02:13:23 2005
From: sionwitch at yahoo.com (sionwitch)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:13:23 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <005d01c5eb12$db48b0c0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <dlgp03+i6ns@eGroups.com>


> Sherry:
> 
> I remember my great disappointment when I saw POA and saw/heard 
  Hmmm, where's my wand?  i need to create
> circumstances that would make Gambon too busy to do the next movies!
 grin.
>

Sionwitch now:
I hope Sherry, that you find your wand, I really want to see another
actor as Dumbledore.
I think that Potter fans have more power than we think, for example,
today I saw that in the pull of TIME magazine for person of the year,
JKR is winning with the 62% of the votes,I think that is pretty
impressive, because the award is given to "...a person or persons who
most affected the news and our lives, for good or for ill, and
embodied what was important about the year."
JKR, without a doubt has affected our lives, but maybe not the lives
of all the planet population,at least no as much as, for example,
"mother nature" one of the other nominees, has affected the world this
year. 
My point is that if HP fans can make JKR win over mother nature, I
think that we can make Warner Bros change the actor who plays Dumbledore.
In other part of the same interview with Michel Gambon, he says:
Do kids approach you on the street when you haven't got your beard on?
"No, they don't. But a kid came up to me the other day, though, and
says, "Gandalf can I have your autograph?" and I said, "Piss off!"

I know that he is an actor, and doesn't have to be as the character he
plays in real life, but since he said that he always plays himself, is
a prety bad thing that a person so opposite from the sweet and kind
Albus Dumbledore is the person who plays him.
Just my opinion
Sionwitch






From srbecca at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 17 03:54:19 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:54:19 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the
 books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgdmv+6ga2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F14A8805DACFF968997CA2DA85F0@phx.gbl>

Sionwitch wrote:
"don't know about you but I'm so hurt with the way this guy express
>about doing Dumbledore, he does not deserves the privilege. He said
>that he have no idea of what makes Dumbledore the greatest wizard of
>all time. He doesn't care about learning who this character is and he
>doesn't even dress like him, don't talk like him, don't do anything
>like Dumbledore would, well, maybe some jokes he does like him.
>I would like to ask all of you that, if you are as mad as I'm about
>Gambon playing Dumbledore, we have to make some noise.
>We may try at least to make Warner Bros consider the possibility to
>change the actor or to make him act (at least) as the books describe
>Dubledore is.
>I really miss Richard Harris, he will always be Dumbledore in my mind."



I'm not surprised, nor am I dissapointed.  People love Anthony Hopkins 
portrail of Hannibal Lector.  He won an oscar and he's played the character 
in a few movies.  It is also based on Harris's books.  It is well known that 
Hopkins says that he just learns his lines and speaks them...and that is as 
much research as he does.  It is a very old-fashioned British stage actors 
way of doing things.  Alot of actors find doing all this method research 
(reading the novel in which the script is based, walking as the character, 
dressing as the character) just clutters up the basic simple intention of 
the script.  In the end, it is much simpler for some actors to use the 
script as their main source because they are not doing a book tape 
version...they are doing this particular script's character.  It's just a 
different way of approaching character.

Alot of old school brit actors will say the same thing, Hopkins and Gambon 
included in the bunch.  They feel they are doing their job, which is to be 
loyal to the given text..which is essentially what they have been hired to 
do.  Now actors like Hoffman and say Sean Penn will tell you they do exactly 
the opposite.  Different strokes for different actors.

Gambon is a gifted, funny actor so I don't really care how he comes about 
his finished product as long as it's enjoyable.  If you haven't seen his 
portrayl of Churchill you really should...it's really uncanny.

I wouldn't be surprised with Richard Harris's old school brit stage 
background that his approach to the character probably wasn't all that 
different..I also wouldn't be surprised if had himself a little 
"firewhiskey" to get himself in the mood for a scene.  I'll never forget him 
on Letterman promoting Gladiator wearing leather pants and telling drinking 
stories. Only Richard Harris could wear leather pants at that age..him and 
say Keith Richards.


>





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Nov 17 05:36:03 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:36:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading
 the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgdmv+6ga2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c5eb38$ccdc4210$65a4a8c0@rosie>

Seriously, I didn't like him as Dumbledore in POA, and reading this makes me
feel that he's doing this just for money's sake.  I really don't know how
much making noise will help, but it sure won't hurt.

With this person as Dumbledore, John Williams not doing the music
composition, etc., I am having mixed feelings about this movie and the
succeeding ones. 

Cheers,

Lee :-(

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Nov 17 06:07:04 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:07:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on
 reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgjqp+hd0u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c5eb3d$22043280$65a4a8c0@rosie>

[bboyminn]:
| 
| I can understand your hard feelings, and to some extent I share them,
| but on the other hand, this is very common. Gambon is not making the
| book, he is making the movie, and in making the movie, he has to play
| the character as written in the script, and has to work to carry out
| the Director's artistic vision. 
| 
| Even Draco/Tom_Felton didn't read the first book when he did the movie
| because he wanted to come into the role fresh, he wanted to be able to
| act as a tool of the director, and to take the character in a
| direction that the director felt was correct. I'm sure he felt that if
| he read the books, it would just confuse him, he would come into the
| role with preconceived notions about who and what the character was

<Snip>

[Lee]:
I can agree to a point, but I personally admire the actors and actresses who
"research" the characters they are called upon to play.  Examples abound of
actors and actresses doing copious reading about the character they're being
called upon to enact or, if possible, meeting the person and spending time
with said person in order to study their habits, the walk, the speaking
style, etc.

Dumbledore, IMHO, is going to be more of a presence in this and the upcoming
movies and, IMHO, needs to really be that presence which I don't think M.G.
is capable of.

I didn't see him as whimsical, powerful, dignified, all those things we
associated with Dd.

[bboyminn]:
 So, this is very common amoung experienced professional actors. They
| read only the script and concentrate on making the movie, and try hard
| not to let outside influences conflict with the script or director's
| vision.

[Lee]:
Again, I can't totally agree.  A true performance comes from the heart of an
actor who can interpret the character and claim it for his/her own.  A good
director, IMHO, will see the actor's feeling for the character and go with
it so long as it's not so totally out of the ballpark.

[bboyminn]]:
| That said, as fine an actor as Gambon may be, I'm not sure he makes
| the very best Dumbledore. Certainly an adequate Dumbledore; an
| exceptable Dumbledore, but perhaps not the best. I really did like
| Richard Harris as Dumbledore. He could be whimsical, but I have
| absolute confidence that Harris could also portray the power and fury
| of Dumbledore when the time came. I also suspect that Gambon, at the
| time, was the only man for the job. 

[Lee]:
You really think so? Or was the director limited by what he felt would be a
good Dd?  It would be interesting to really know. :-)

{bboyminn]:
| Another suggestion I read about recently was Patrick Stewart (Star
| Trek: Next Generation) as Dumbledore. I think he could have been a
| very good candidate. He is an excellent actor. I'm sure he could play
| whimsical, and I'm confident he could play the anger and fury when
| called on. Plus he has a really nice voice. Also, Patrick Stewart
| seems to have an energy about him, a certain vitality that could lend
| itself well to Dumbledore.

[Lee]:
Now, that I can agree with.  Sure he's going to need a good long wig, etc.,
but his persona would work.  Plus, he's a good character actor!  I believe
when he started out with Trek Next Generation, he wasn't into the part, but,
as the series took off and he realized the potential for growth in Piccard,
he ran with it and did it well.  He grew his character, and I believe a lot
had to do with his interpretation and suggestion to directors, etc., not
just what the directors and such had in their little box of tricks.

One of the most incredible people, IMHO, is John DeLancie who, because of
dyslexia, found it hard to keep up with the sudden changing of lines at the
last minute.  So, he was familiarized with the setup and did a lot of ad-lib
and, voila, the character of Q definitely became memorable. :-)

[bboyminn]:
| Perhaps we will get lucky and Gambon will not be available, and the
| part will go to Patrick Stewart in the later films.
| 
| Just a thought.

[Lee]:
Here, Here!!  Raise the butter beer! From Captain Piccard to Dumbledore, his
characters will grow evermore. Here, Here!

Peace,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Nov 17 13:20:14 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:20:14 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F14A8805DACFF968997CA2DA85F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <dli02e+gggu@eGroups.com>

Rebecca Dreiling wrote:

> I wouldn't be surprised with Richard Harris's old school brit stage 
> background that his approach to the character probably wasn't all 
that 
> different..I also wouldn't be surprised if had himself a little 
> "firewhiskey" to get himself in the mood for a scene.  

My recollection is that you are right.  I'm pretty sure Harries got 
the same complaints from fandom because he didn't read the books, and 
had no intention of doing so.

No doubt those who disapprove of Gambon will make their stand by not 
paying to see the movie - personally, I intend to watch it and take it 
as it comes.

David






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 17 13:27:31 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:27:31 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <005d01c5eb12$db48b0c0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <dli0g3+gu9s@eGroups.com>

Sherry:
> I remember my great disappointment when I saw POA and saw/heard 
> Gambon's Dumbledore.  it was so different from Harris, but even more, 
> it was so different from the Dumbledore i thought i knew.  Even 
> recently, I dug out my DVD and showed it to a friend.  I didn't 
> dislike the movie quite as intensely this time around, time and 
> distance I guess, but Gambon was still heartbreakingly not Dumbledore.


SSSusan:
You know what I find interesting?  My husband, who's not an HP fan but 
who's watched the movies a bazillion times with my kids & me, REALLY 
liked the change to Gambon in PoA.  I was rather stunned by this and so 
asked why?  He said he was funny and hip had more "life."  I think he 
thought Harris' DD was rather boring.  

And let's be honest, it was sooooo apparent, sadly, in CoS that Harris 
was unwell.  His voice was croaky and he looked frail.  That might also 
have contributed to his not coming across as the most powerful wizard 
of all time or as "boring" to someone like my husband.

But I do also think this speaks to the difference between Big Fans (as 
most of us are) and casual fans.  Big fans know DD *well* and know what 
they want to see in a portrayal of him on screen.  I thought Richard 
Harris was terrific -- that he really caught the twinkling eye and 
kindness of DD... while still being able to bellow out "SILENCE!!" and 
gain instant control when he needed to after Quirrell's troll 
announcement & the ensuing panic in SS.  

So Gambon's DD was a shock on the first couple of viewings of PoA for 
me.  His humorous interpretation did grow on me eventually, in things 
like how he diverted Fudge & the executioner's attention at Hagrid's 
cabin and in how he quipped, "Did what?" to Harry & Hermione.  He's 
*quirky* as DD, and I do think DD has an element of quirkiness.

I admit to not being real thrilled with his flippancy in the Empire 
interview, but I'm going to reserve judgment 'til I've seen GoF.  Then 
maybe I'll join the Patrick Stewart bandwagon. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan









From phil at pcsgames.net  Thu Nov 17 14:21:47 2005
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:21:47 -0500
Subject: Underwater Secrets singer
References: <dlb9lj+hjra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009001c5eb82$419a6340$6600a8c0@phil>

Hi Folks,
Is that Enya singing the Underwater Secrets song on the Goblet of Fire
soundtrack?
Phil




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 17 14:40:43 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:40:43 -0000
Subject: Underwater Secrets singer
In-Reply-To: <009001c5eb82$419a6340$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <dli4pb+9tjv@eGroups.com>

Phil asked:

> Is that Enya singing the Underwater Secrets song on the Goblet of 
> Fire soundtrack?


SSSusan:
She's not listed in the album credits.  There is only one female 
listed under vocals and that's Abigail Doyle.  Perhaps that's who's 
singing?

Per listing at Barnes&Noble.com:

ALBUM CREDITS 
Performance Credits 
James Shearman   Conductor 
London Symphony Orchestra   Performing Ensemble 
Jarvis Cocker   Track Performer 
Jonny Greenwood   Track Performer 
Phil Selway   Track Performer 
Steve Claydon   Track Performer 
Jason Buckle   Track Performer 
Stuart Cassells   Bagpipes 
Abigail Doyle   Vocals 
Steven Mackey   Track Performer 

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From lucianam73 at yahoo.com.br  Thu Nov 17 20:38:43 2005
From: lucianam73 at yahoo.com.br (lucianam73)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:38:43 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
In-Reply-To: <dkp628+otq0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlipoj+qj1l@eGroups.com>

potterfan9349 at y asked:
>
<snipped, left just the questions>

Lucianam answers:

> 1) On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being a Potter-obsessed superfan who 
> has read all the books a thousand times, has been to all the movie 
> premiers and book releases, wears Harry Potter underwear, etc.), 
how 
> big of a Harry Potter fan are you?

9, I'd say, if I compare myself to my family and friends; 6 or 7 in 
comparison to other people around the fandom. 
So I'll settle on 7.
 
> 2) How long did it take you to read the books?  How many times 
have 
> you read each one?  Which is your favorite?

It usually takes me 5 days to read a HP book if it's new, but I read 
HBP in 2 days as it was much smaller than the others. 
Proportionally, OotP took me a whole week. If I'm re-reading, I can 
take as long as a month: I'll read a bit here, a bit there, leave it 
on my desk as I read other books simultaneously.
How many times? I don't remember, but here's a good approximation: 
PS: more than 3 times.
CoS, GoF and HBP: more than 4 times.
OotP and PoA, more than 5 times, I think I read OotP 7 times but I'm 
not sure.
My favorite is OotP by far. I don't like the part about Grawp at all 
(awful, in my opinion, and unnecessary) and the last two appallingly 
bad chapters (as bad as Spiner's End I'd say) but I liked its 
narrative style a lot more than I did in the other books, perhaps 
only CoS resembling it a little. I liked the longer sentences and 
the detailed description of places and chracater moods. But leaving 
literary development aside, as far as only the plot is concerned, 
PoA is the best book of the whole series in my opinion.
 
> 3) How has Harry Potter changed your life? What purposes do Harry 
> Potter books serve beyond entertainment?

It hasn't changed it much , since I've always liked fantasy - before 
HP it was Buffy. Before that I used to like LotR, Star Wars (the old 
trilogy), x-Men ... But I'll admit HP is the biggest so far. I spend 
a lot of time online, which I didn't before. And fanfiction, which I 
like a lot, is also something I never gave a second thought to 
before the Harry Potter fandom came along.
 
> 4) What is the craziest thing you've done for Harry Potter?

I'm sure the huge amount of moeny I've spent on books, calendars, 
audiobooks and t-shirts counts as crazy.
 
> 5) Do you own any unusual Harry Potter merchandise or 
> paraphernalia?  What is your largest or weirdest collection?

Nothing unusual, unless homemade t-shirts are unusual.
 
> 6) If you could be any Harry Potter character, which one would you 
> be and why?

Buckbeak!!! I could fly, flash menacing talons and beak, and hang 
out with Sirius Black. Enough said!

> 7) What is it that makes Harry Potter books so great that any age 
> can enjoy them?

They're so funny. And the characters are very believable and feel 
alive (except for some of the latest ones, introduced in OotP - with 
Slughorn I was happy to see JKR producing a solid character again).

> 8) Have you been to any midnight premiers or book releases?  Did 
you 
> dress up?  Describe your experience.

Nah, I'm not a dress-up kind of fan.
 
> 9) What separate the fans from the FANS?

I'm not sure. I don't know if I'm a fan or a FAN, really. If you 
compare me with 'normal' people I'm a huge Potter nutter, but then 
again if you put me side to side with other people in the fandom... 
Oh, sorry. Not helping much in this one.
 
> 10) Is there a special "lingo" of Harry Potter fans?  Are there 
> specific phrases or vocabulary that define the group?

I don't think so. There are words people will use on the internet, 
in certain sites and in forums, but not in RL. I think the 'lingo' 
would fall more in the category of netspeak than anything else.
 
> 11) What are your views on people who oppose Harry Potter books, 
> saying they are sacreligious and teach children witchcraft?

I don't  believe in witchcraft (how many adults actually do?????) so 
I don't take those accusations seriously. About the books being 
sacreligious, I don't think so, they don't talk about religion at 
all, how could anyone find them disrespectful to religion if it 
isn't even mentioned??
(Assuming 'disrespectful to religion' is a valid interpretation of 
the word 'sacreligious' here)
 
> 12) Any other things you might want to say about Harry Potter 
books.

Yes, I don't love them as much as I did when Sirius was alive, and I 
didn't completely like HBP, but I'm still curious as ever about the 
next Potter book. Bring it on!

Lucianam 







From solar41x at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 17:16:49 2005
From: solar41x at yahoo.co.uk (JAN X)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:16:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Micheal Gambon 
In-Reply-To: <1132240983.344.31090.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051117171649.53776.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I agree with others that Patrick Stewart would have made a much 
better DD than Gambon. How can you just play a part, surely there 
has to be some sort of preparation for a character to get an 
insight into what they are like.  In an interview on the subject 
of him playing DD in POA, Gambon said he was asked by the director 
why he was using an Irish lilt in some words, and he said he was 
trying to keep slightly to the way Harris played DD, so is he 
really playing himself?

solar41x





From irishwynch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 21:59:44 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (irishwynch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:59:44 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Micheal Gambon
Message-ID: <13f.20e86e6a.30ae5750@aol.com>

Even though I too love Patrick Stewart, I would have died a happy girl if 
they'd gotten Sean Connery to do it.

Marla


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 22:03:03 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:03:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Micheal Gambon
In-Reply-To: <13f.20e86e6a.30ae5750@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051117220304.50004.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sean Connery as Dumbledore????  A sexy Dumbledore???  
   
  I love Sean Connery, but....Dumbledore?  

irishwynch at aol.com wrote:
  Even though I too love Patrick Stewart, I would have died a happy girl if 
they'd gotten Sean Connery to do it.

Marla


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From irishwynch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 22:27:39 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (irishwynch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:27:39 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Micheal Gambon
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In a message dated 11/17/2005 2:09:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
maritajan at yahoo.com writes:
Sean Connery as Dumbledore????  A sexy Dumbledore???  
   
  I love Sean Connery, but....Dumbledore?  
That's funny, I never thought of it from that perspective.  But what the 
heck, why couldn't DD be a sexy man?  I'm already getting it from my family for 
thinking Ron's growing into a gool looking guy.


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 23:57:15 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:57:15 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's Pay as an Actor in HP Movies.
Message-ID: <dlj5cr+dptp@eGroups.com>

In one of the BBC discussion groups, someone posted speculating that
Dan Radcliffe has earned ?6,000,000 so far for his role of Harry
Potter. This particular person didn't seem to think he deserved it,
but he has afteral help Warner make close to $3 Billion, and that
doesn't count the revenue from GoF.

For reference-

?6,000,000 = US$10,315,265

I would say that that is probably pretty LOW pay considering the money
he has made for Warner. I think big stars like Tom Hanks and Leonardo
DeCaprio make close to $20 million per moive. 

Given that there are 3 more movies to go, I would expect that amount
to MORE THAN DOUBLE. 
 
That should give Dan a pretty nice nest egg to begin his life with
when he become 'of age'.

I'm really curious about what the other stars are making; like Rupert,
 Emma, and Tom.

Of course, I can't vouch for the information here, and I an well aware
it is none of my business, but I can't help but be curious.

To some extent, I'm concerned that they all get fair pay for their
work, but mostly it's just curiousity.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 04:03:03 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:03:03 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlgp03+i6ns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dljjpn+t4g5@eGroups.com>

> In other part of the same interview with Michel Gambon, he says:
> Do kids approach you on the street when you haven't got your beard on?
> "No, they don't. But a kid came up to me the other day, though, and
> says, "Gandalf can I have your autograph?" and I said, "Piss off!"
> 
> I know that he is an actor, and doesn't have to be as the character he
> plays in real life, but since he said that he always plays himself, is
> a prety bad thing that a person so opposite from the sweet and kind
> Albus Dumbledore is the person who plays him.
>

Tonks here:

That is just disgusting!!  The man is talking to a child first of all. 
Secondly he is representing Warner Brothers. And most of all even if 
the kid got the wizard wrong (thank god!!) the b-----d represents DD. 
And as such should behave himself. 

I agree with others who have posted here. I do not like his DD. I loved 
Richard Harris and like others he will always be DD to me.

WB does listen to the fans. I think we need to tell them that the actor 
should at least treat a child in a proper manner!!!!  What a jerk!!

Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 04:29:06 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:29:06 -0000
Subject: Allen Rickman ( was Re: Micheal Gambon)
In-Reply-To: <242.19cd9db.30ae5ddb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dljlai+6cjo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, irishwynch at a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2005 2:09:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> maritajan at y... writes:
> Sean Connery as Dumbledore????  A sexy Dumbledore???  
>    
>   I love Sean Connery, but....Dumbledore?  
> That's funny, I never thought of it from that perspective.  But what 
the heck, why couldn't DD be a sexy man?  I'm already getting it from 
my family for thinking Ron's growing into a gool looking guy.
------------

Ah, only a few more hours to go. I am looking forward to seeing our old 
flame Snape!!  Also want to see how they do the graveyard scene.

Tonks_op
Who is dressing up as Bella and going with a friend who will be 
Narcissa. I couldn't recruit any death eaters to come along. I have a 
great Snape robe too, but no man to wear it. Allen where are you??








From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 14:28:21 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:28:21 -0000
Subject: The right man for Dumbledore - sarah's 2p (and more)
In-Reply-To: <dljlai+6cjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlkoe5+sejn@eGroups.com>

I just wanted to put my 2p in ... Richard Harris IMHO was a 
beautifully cast Dumbledore and frankly I didn't give a hoot whether 
he had read the books or not because I knew his reputation as a hard 
drinking, hard living kind of a guy.  But he played Albus Dumbledore 
perfectly.  However, (you knew that was coming), however, Michael 
Gambon never really sat quite right with me.  Admittedly his part in 
PoA seemed very small and maybe in GoF we'll see a bit more of him 
and I can get used to his style.  I guess he was just different to 
Richard Harris who WAS the image I had created.  This old hippy guy 
with the disgustingly long fingernails was an imposter!!!
Having said all that I will wait until I've seen GoF and see if he 
fares any better.
I'd decided that Patrick Stewart would be an excellent (but white) 
Kingsley Shacklebolt and had never really considered him for 
Dumbledore, but yes, he would be good ... and certainly his beautiful 
voice would bring a richness to the role Gambon hasn't managed, oh 
and that twinkle in his eye ... make it so, Professor Snape!!
As for Sean Connery, well now I don't know who I want.  I love Sean 
Connery, and despite the fact he is old enough to be my grandad he is 
still quite sexy ... and I always had a whim that Dumbledore might 
have a Scottish lilt/accent ...
Now my grandad is 89 and has white hair and glasses that slip to the 
end of his nose, and when he laughs the whole room lights up .... not 
sure about his magical skills or insight though.  And he definitely 
hasn't read the books.  Maybe not!
Sarah xx
(Who is waiting very patiently (not) until next weekend to see the 
film)







From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri Nov 18 15:19:08 2005
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:19:08 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dljjpn+t4g5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlkrdc+l6tg@eGroups.com>


> > In other part of the same interview with Michel Gambon, he says:
> > Do kids approach you on the street when you haven't got your beard on?
> > "No, they don't. But a kid came up to me the other day, though, and
> > says, "Gandalf can I have your autograph?" and I said, "Piss off!"

Um, I think he was making a joke here. As in it didn't really happen -
he's just poking fun at himself and about the whole Gandalf=Dumbledore
thing. 

Elisabet, who is willing to bet a dollar on this.







From erikog at one.net  Fri Nov 18 15:32:14 2005
From: erikog at one.net (krista7)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:32:14 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's Pay as an Actor in HP Movies.
In-Reply-To: <dlj5cr+dptp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlks5u+5uel@eGroups.com>


In re: Dan's nest egg. I recall reading--either on CNN.com or Reuters--
that Daniel Radcliffe was the second richest minor in the United Kingdom,
 with Prince William being the only one ahead of him. This was a while ago. 
Apparently, his parents, being casting agents, were quite smart when it 
came to his initial contract negotiations: In addition to his salary for each
 movie, DR receives royalties for everything that has his image on it (and 
HP marketing was huge and still rakes in the bucks). I *think* he gets a
 DVD cut, too. So DR is making big bucks over everything, in addition 
to his actual pay. (Which I believe is going up with every movie, too; 
when the producer made a public comment about the fact the three 
kids *are* Harry, Hermione, and Ron by now in the public's eyes, 
he all but admitted they can ask their price at this point.)

Krista


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>
> In one of the BBC discussion groups, someone posted speculating that
> Dan Radcliffe has earned ?6,000,000 so far for his role of Harry
> Potter. This particular person didn't seem to think he deserved it,
> but he has afteral help Warner make close to $3 Billion, and that
> doesn't count the revenue from GoF.
> 
> For reference-
> 
> ?6,000,000 = US$10,315,265
> 
> I would say that that is probably pretty LOW pay considering the money
> he has made for Warner. I think big stars like Tom Hanks and Leonardo
> DeCaprio make close to $20 million per moive. 
> 
> Given that there are 3 more movies to go, I would expect that amount
> to MORE THAN DOUBLE. 
>  
> That should give Dan a pretty nice nest egg to begin his life with
> when he become 'of age'.
> 
> I'm really curious about what the other stars are making; like Rupert,
>  Emma, and Tom.
> 
> Of course, I can't vouch for the information here, and I an well aware
> it is none of my business, but I can't help but be curious.
> 
> To some extent, I'm concerned that they all get fair pay for their
> work, but mostly it's just curiousity.
> 
> For what it's worth.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>






From irishwynch at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 19:55:43 2005
From: irishwynch at aol.com (Marla)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:55:43 -0000
Subject: GOF
Message-ID: <dllbjv+s6rf@eGroups.com>

Has anyone in this group seen the movie yet?  Are you allowed to 
comment yet?  I can't see it until Sunday because my other HP fan 
friend had surgery yesterday and doesn't want to go until then.  I 
promised I'd wait for her but I'm going mad wondering today what 
everyone thinks of it.  It's not like we don't know what the story is 
about, I just want to know what everyone thinks of it.

Marla






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 20:01:35 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:01:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] GOF
In-Reply-To: <dllbjv+s6rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051118200135.67571.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I saw it at midnight last night.  As to whether or not I liked it....yes and no.  
   
  I enjoyed it greatly while I was in the theatre.  After the movie was over, on subsequent reflection....I'm not so much in love with it.  Does that make sense?
   
  MJ
   
  
Marla <irishwynch at aol.com> wrote:
  Has anyone in this group seen the movie yet?  Are you allowed to 
comment yet?  I can't see it until Sunday because my other HP fan 
friend had surgery yesterday and doesn't want to go until then.  I 
promised I'd wait for her but I'm going mad wondering today what 
everyone thinks of it.  It's not like we don't know what the story is 
about, I just want to know what everyone thinks of it.

Marla





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From srbecca at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 18 23:49:27 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:49:27 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the
 books????
In-Reply-To: <005d01c5eb12$db48b0c0$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2988A5950F39CF6DE0FAB4A85E0@phx.gbl>

Sherry said:
But wow, Patrick Stewart!  now he would be a good Dumbledore.  He can be
>angry, whimsical, classy, kind.  I can just hear him offering people a 
>lemon
>drop, or battling with Voldemort at the ministry or any of the other
>Dumbledore scenes in the future.  Hmmm, where's my wand?  i need to create
>circumstances that would make Gambon too busy to do the next movies!  grin.

I hate to break it to everyone but Patrick Stewart is another one of those 
old brit stage vets.  I'd be willing to bet good money that his approach to 
character is not all that different from Gambon's or Hopkins.

As I mentioned before, everyone seems attached to Harris.  However, they are 
not affronted that he may have shown the same attention to the books as 
Gambon.

If you want an older commanding stage actor who will read the books, your 
best to find an American ( only because they tend to be more method).  In 
the end, I'd rather a good actor who hasn't read the books than a 'ho hum' 
(Ah hem..Sean Astin) one who sees it as the bible.

rebecca





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 01:56:15 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:56:15 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dli02e+gggu@eGroups.com>
References: <dli02e+gggu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1132365378.13D2DECD@dl11.dngr.org>


On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 8:51 am, davewitley wrote:
>
> My recollection is that you are right.  I'm pretty sure Harries got
> the same complaints from fandom because he didn't read the books, and
> had no intention of doing so.
>
Oh my, yes. You can look through the archives here on OTC or on -movie 
for myriad complaints about Harris - I'm actually more a fan of Gambon 
for his sprightliness and focus on what makes Dumbledore multifaceted 
and a bit barmy. Remember, this is the man who Percy said was mad but 
brilliant - did anyone get a hint of madness from Harris?

Then again, three seconds of "nitwit, blubber, oddment, tweak" in the 
first movie would've made an enormous impack but either or both Steve or 
Chris didn't see that as important.



From srbecca at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 05:49:39 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:49:39 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the
 books????
In-Reply-To: <dljjpn+t4g5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39DACF0B715CA7459EC736A8510@phx.gbl>

Tonks wrote:

"WB does listen to the fans. I think we need to tell them that the actor
>should at least treat a child in a proper manner!!!!  What a jerk!!"





What would you say to WB?  I don't like him.  They might then ask why.  How 
would you respond "Because he didn't read the books and I heard online that 
he was a mean guy to kids."?  How do any of these things have anything to do 
with his performance? Besides it sounds like a joke to me.  It's actually 
kind of funny, if you don't take it so seriously.

I think even Richard Harris (who seemed not take himself to seriously) would 
say he was quite tired looking and weak-voiced in the second film.

I mean DD changes, becomes more approachable and human as the series 
unfolds.  In the end he ends up being a man with faults, not this distant 
authority figure.

I find Gambon's portrayal less of a three dimensional wizard character.

Whatever the debate, I plan on going to the film with an open mind.  If I 
didn't care for him but I liked the rest of the film...I really wouldn't let 
that ruin the whole film for me.

Rebecca





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 06:25:01 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:25:01 -0000
Subject: GOF
In-Reply-To: <dllbjv+s6rf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlmgft+qt64@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marla" <irishwynch at a...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone in this group seen the movie yet?  


Tonks here:

Saw it Friday. It was good. Took a friend who knows the books but 
doesn't remember as well as I do. She said it was done for the fans 
because people who don't know the books well would be lost. 

I agree with her. There are places where nothing is explained it just 
jumps right into the scene with no setup. 

I hated DD. Someone has to talk to that man. He grabbed Harry at one 
point and shook him. The REAL DD would never have done that. That actor 
just doesn't have the love in him that is needed to play DD. There is 
no hope of WB changing him, I am sure. But maybe there is someway we 
can get to him and tell him politely what it that makes DD great. He is 
just not getting it!! And he hasn't changed his clothes in 2 years!! 
Apparently he only owns one robe.

But overall, I think it is the best one of the last 2. I still like the 
first one the best. My heartbeat Snape did not have much of a part, and 
that fool of a DD had a much bigger part than before. 

There is a very touching scene of Neville, and the death of Cedric is 
very well done, not a dry eye in the theater. They changed the end 
quite a bit, no hospital scene so that is why there is no hug. Closest 
thing to it is DD touching Harry's face. Sure nothing like the "HUG", 
not even close. Good special effects. And it was better than the 3rd 
movie.

Tonks_op
Who is going again tomorrow. Want to get a better look at the costumes. 
I like to see the movies about 3 times. Will go again in a week or so.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 08:22:14 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:22:14 -0000
Subject: My GOF Movie Review - very minor spoiler
Message-ID: <dlmnbm+kfvn@eGroups.com>

Just saw the movie and it was very good. The Three tasks of the
Tournement were very good although they changed the story slightly.
Part of the problem with the movie is not so much the story they told,
but the fact that everything moved so quickly. The arrival of the
competing schools was very good, but it lasted mere seconds. 

Further, I agree that if you don't know the story, you'd be somewhat
lost. In order to cut time from the film, great leaps in plot are
made. For example, when Harry finds Crouch in the woods, he's really
just out for a stroll, sees Crouch by a tree, and we are immediately
back in Dumbledore's office. I understood the intent of that, but I'm
not sure people who haven't read the books can figure it out. 

Key points- 

The Quidditch World Cup is VERY short, but the Quidditch stadium is
spectacular.

Harry/Dan does an excellent job of emoting underwater. His reactions
are very clear. A task that I'm sure is extremely difficult under the
circumstances.

The scenery of the Scotish country side is also stunningly spectacular.

All characters show a much greater range of emotions than in any of
the previous movies. They have all really been given the chance to
show what they can do, and come through spectacularly. Really, I think
everyone will not just be pleased, but actually very impressed at the
level of improved acting by every single character, but of course,
most especially by the primary actors.

I like the change to Neville's story in the movie. I'm a big Neville
fan, and I think he comes off exceptionally well as both a character
and as an actor. I can't believe that anyone will have a problem with
these changes since they show Neville in such a positive light. I
can't wait to see Neville in OotP.

Stan/Viktor has an amazing stage presence. He doesn't have many lines,
but I think he may have the potential to be a good character actor.
Really, he commands the screen whenever he is on it.

Now to the most critical character, Michael Gambon. I was really
afraid that Gambon as Dumbledore couldn't make the transition from
whimsical to ferocious, but, like all the other actors, he does an
excellent job at displaying a range of emotions, and Gambon has a much
bigger part in this movie, so we really get to seem him take on the
role of Dumbledore.

>From Gambon's performance, it is clear that he is an excellent actor
with an excellent range, and as a (figuratively) generic actor playing
a (figuratively) generic part, he does a corrospondingly excellent
job. But it is clear that he really doesn't understand his character,
nor do I think Mike Newell understands Dumbledore since it is
ultimately his responsibility to make sure the character is portrayed
accurately. In one particular scene, Gambon/Dumbledore shows
significant anger toward Harry; something Dumbledore would never do in
just that way. 

Of course, lots of parts of the story were changed, other character's
roles and responses were modified for the movie, and I can easily
accept that, but this one scene of Dumbledore's anger at Harry really
was disjointed. It simply didn't fit with Dumbledore.

I guess he has the role for now, and Gambon really is a good actor,
that can't be denied, and further, he is likely in it for the long
haul since they probably want as few major character cast changes as
possible. I can accept him in the role, but seriously, I don't think
he 'gets' Dumbledore at all.

Just a few thought, and hope I didn't give too much away. 

steve/bboyminn






From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 17:10:26 2005
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:10:26 EST
Subject: Steve's GOF movie review - spoilers
Message-ID: <15.51506d77.30b0b682@aol.com>

Hi,

Before I give my opinion I want to make a comment about something.  With all 
the 'pre-released' teaser scenes and trailers, did anyone feel like they could 
sit at their home computers, download them all and then edit the movie 
together?  I mean, we'd loved the trailers, but I was starting to feel like I 
wouldn't have to spend my $10 to see it with all the marketing that was being done 
by WB ... all I'd have to do is assemble the movie at home!  And, as I watched 
the movie yesterday, in some ways, it was like watching a re-run as we'd seen 
soooo many of the scenes already.

Anyway ... I saw the movie yesterday and can only echo Steve's remarks.  (see 
below)  I was really struck by how the trio has mastered/matured in their 
acting abilities.  There was a real sense of them owning their roles, they were 
relaxed and it was well acted.  Especially Dan and Emma.

I am curious to hear reviews from people who have not read the books.  I 
think they will be lost, as Steve said.  A reviewer for cnn.com who is an HP book 
and movie fan, called it disjointed and I have to agree.  If you haven't read 
the books you won't have the background, you won't understand certain scenes 
or why things happen.  I felt a bit that way and I've read the book several 
times.

I missed the hospital scene at the end.  And, I missed the scene with the 
Weasley's landing in Dursley's blocked-up fireplace!  That was a LOL moment in 
the book!

Michael Gambon ..... well, he's a great actor, but he DOES NOT get 
Dumbledore.  I was disappointed in his interpretation.  He should have been directed 
differently.

Victor Krum ... WOW!  I agree with you Steve, he has major screen presence!  
I was really impressed by him.  I'm hoping Jo brings him back in 7 so we get 
to see Stan again.

And Neville ... I was touched by his performance in the sad moments, and I 
still laughed at him in the funny moments ("I killed Harry Potter!").  I too am 
looking forward to OoP and watching Neville grow.

Brendan Gleeson ... excellent casting!

Miranda Richardson ... excellent casting!  But what happened to her animagus?

I am going to go and see it again.  With all the pre-release anticipation I 
think my anxiety levels were too high in the theater yesterday to have truly 
appreciated each and every scene.  Plus, I felt like I'd already seen so much of 
it.   Next movie, I won't watch so many of these 'exclusive' trailer/scenes.

Elizabeth




STEVE'S TAKE:

> Just saw the movie and it was very good. The Three tasks of the
> Tournament were very good although they changed the story slightly.
> Part of the problem with the movie is not so much the story they told,
> but the fact that everything moved so quickly. The arrival of the
> competing schools was very good, but it lasted mere seconds. 
> 
> Further, I agree that if you don't know the story, you'd be somewhat
> lost. In order to cut time from the film, great leaps in plot are
> made. For example, when Harry finds Crouch in the woods, he's really
> just out for a stroll, sees Crouch by a tree, and we are immediately
> back in Dumbledore's office. I understood the intent of that, but I'm
> not sure people who haven't read the books can figure it out. 
> 
> Key points- 
> 
> The Quidditch World Cup is VERY short, but the Quidditch stadium is
> spectacular.
> 
> Harry/Dan does an excellent job of emoting underwater. His reactions
> are very clear. A task that I'm sure is extremely difficult under the
> circumstances.
> 
> The scenery of the Scotish country side is also stunningly spectacular.
> 
> All characters show a much greater range of emotions than in any of
> the previous movies. They have all really been given the chance to
> show what they can do, and come through spectacularly. Really, I think
> everyone will not just be pleased, but actually very impressed at the
> level of improved acting by every single character, but of course,
> most especially by the primary actors.
> 
> I like the change to Neville's story in the movie. I'm a big Neville
> fan, and I think he comes off exceptionally well as both a character
> and as an actor. I can't believe that anyone will have a problem with
> these changes since they show Neville in such a positive light. I
> can't wait to see Neville in OotP.
> 
> Stan/Viktor has an amazing stage presence. He doesn't have many lines,
> but I think he may have the potential to be a good character actor.
> Really, he commands the screen whenever he is on it.
> 
> Now to the most critical character, Michael Gambon. I was really
> afraid that Gambon as Dumbledore couldn't make the transition from
> whimsical to ferocious, but, like all the other actors, he does an
> excellent job at displaying a range of emotions, and Gambon has a much
> bigger part in this movie, so we really get to seem him take on the
> role of Dumbledore.
> 
> From Gambon's performance, it is clear that he is an excellent actor
> with an excellent range, and as a (figuratively) generic actor playing
> a (figuratively) generic part, he does a corrospondingly excellent
> job. But it is clear that he really doesn't understand his character,
> nor do I think Mike Newell understands Dumbledore since it is
> ultimately his responsibility to make sure the character is portrayed
> accurately. In one particular scene, Gambon/Dumbledore shows
> significant anger toward Harry; something Dumbledore would never do in
> just that way. 
> 
> Of course, lots of parts of the story were changed, other character's
> roles and responses were modified for the movie, and I can easily
> accept that, but this one scene of Dumbledore's anger at Harry really
> was disjointed. It simply didn't fit with Dumbledore.
> 
> I guess he has the role for now, and Gambon really is a good actor,
> that can't be denied, and further, he is likely in it for the long
> haul since they probably want as few major character cast changes as
> possible. I can accept him in the role, but seriously, I don't think
> he 'gets' Dumbledore at all.
> 
> Just a few thought, and hope I didn't give too much away. 
> 
> steve/bboyminn



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From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 18:39:41 2005
From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:39:41 -0000
Subject: GOF movie review - short
Message-ID: <dlnrhd+b5c1@eGroups.com>

I'm a huge fan of the books and have read them numerous times, but I 
went to the midnight movie with three friends who have never read the 
books.  I loved the movie and wished it would have lasted longer.  My 
friends all liked it too and didn't seem to get lost at all, even 
though they hadn't read the books.

Sometimes I think those of us who have read the books think our non-
reader friends will get lost in the movie with so much being left out, 
and I'm sure there are certain points of the plot that they miss, but 
they seem to really enjoy the movies in spite of what they are missing.

I'm somewhat amused to see that even the snobby critics seem to be 
giving the movie a good review.  I think it's going to be a definate 
winner.  I know I'm going to see it again.







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 19:41:26 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:41:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dumbledore's physical with Harry and other thoughts on the Movie
Message-ID: <20051119194126.24971.qmail@web51615.mail.yahoo.com>

Before I start, I want it known that I enjoyed this movie the best.  I give it a B+, but I'm also grading on a curve.  !!!SPOILER ALERT!!!
   
  The suck parts:
  Dumbledore grabbing Harry.  This was a major disconnect from my view of the character not because of the grab, but because of the anger directed at Harry.  Perhaps, I'm reading the scene wrong.  Maybe Gamdon was suppose to be portraying fear for Harry rather than anger at Harry. Then I can kind of see Dumbledore grab Harry... kind of.
   
  What the hell happend to Crouch Jr!?  Though It was interesting, knowing what we know, that Snape was the one left alone to Guard Crouch Jr. instead of MacGonagall.
   
  The Quidditch World Cup.  We don't see it.  We see the pre-game show, barely.  But the stadium was impressive.  Newell's brevity is understandable here because the World Cup is not important to the plot.  It's the post-game activities that are the reason we, the audience, are there.
   
  I'm a big strong-female-character fan.  Fluer sucks and is weak.  I was hoping for the screenwriter to take liberties with the character by making Fluer fierce.  But, in the end, that's a minor complaint.
   
  The Production Values seemed $$$$$$ at times and than $$ at others.  The special effects were sweet.  The seating for the first and third tasks and the scenes that took place their were a bit bland.  This was a disconnect for the film as a whole
   
  Neville is in the library at 3am-ish?  'I killed Harry Potter' ?!?  Lame line.
   
  Snape suggests to keep Harry in the tournement!?  The Snape-ophobes will be elated.  Boo...
   
  The death of Crouch Sr.  The first time I saw it, I didn't get it.  The second time, I did; Moody, in Crouch Sr.'s eyes, flicked out his tongue much like Crouch Jr. did which got Crouch Sr looking at 'Moody' in a new light.  But if you blinked like I did the first go round, you may miss the subtly of the plot twist(?).
   
  Voldemort has pretty eyes and needs more lines from the book.
   
    What the eff is up with talking about the Foe/Faux Mirror and then not using it later!?!  I was so looking forward to the seen from the book where Harry sees Dumbledore, MacGonagall and Snape in that mirror right before the three blast in the door to save Harry.  Boo... Newell... Boo...

   
   
  Now for the Rave.
   
  Mermaids.  I liked how they were more fish like than dolphin.
   
  Ralph Fiennes.  Good Voldemort
   
  Dan Radcliffe.  I've hated him as Harry.  Sure, he had the look but he lacked the soul.  Also, his acting was great for school pagents at best.  Wow!  Has he improved.  I got teary eyed when he brought Ced back.  
   
  Emma Watson.  Also, never quite a fan of hers.  However, that too has changed.  Though some of the lines she gets seemed out of character and more for the audience then the characters on screen, I recognize that this is not her fault.
   
  Rupert Grint.  I've always like him as Ron and felt him a better actor than Dan.  His performance was the best of the three though they were all great.  I can't wait to see his new film next year.
   
  Dragons.  Well done, though I would like to have seen what Krums looked like (we only see a wing) and what the Fireball looked like instead of having to hear Crouch Sr 'Oooooh...' it, but it was funny.  However, I did wonder... did they run out of money?
   
  Neville.  Yea!!!  More Neville.  Who cares if he's at the library at 3am?!  More Neville with better lines.  More Neville with better lines!  More NEVILLE with better LINES!!!
   
   
  --Kemper

		
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From potterfan9349 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 16:08:00 2005
From: potterfan9349 at yahoo.com (potterfan9349)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:08:00 -0000
Subject: I need you all!
Message-ID: <dlnil0+10dsi@eGroups.com>

Hello, everyone!  Thank you all so much for your great responses to my 
questionnaire---over 20!  Just a heads-up: my paper is due right 
before winter break and I probably will start writing this week, so 
unless you have something urgent to say, I don't need any more survey 
responses.  Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving!
Potterfan9349









From potterfan9349 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 16:19:12 2005
From: potterfan9349 at yahoo.com (potterfan9349)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:19:12 -0000
Subject: GOF
Message-ID: <dlnja0+llc3@eGroups.com>

I went to the midnight premiere at 12:01 on Friday morning.

I thought the movie was great!  It was really funny(though maybe I was 
delirious from lack of sleep and everything seemed funny).

I agree withT Tonks_op, the movie moved very fast, and I think it 
would be very difficult for someone who hasn't read the books to 
follow along.  However, it would have been a five-hour movie if they 
had stopped and explained everything.

I didn't like Dumbledore either: he was not the kind, compassionate 
Dumbledore from the books--he shook Harry and yelled a lot to quiet 
the students down.

I thought Hermione was annoying in this movie--she was super-hormonal 
and cried and freaked out about everything!

Other than that, it was wonderful--I think Fleur, Krum, and Cedric 
were perfect and I highly recommend the movie!









From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 23:41:39 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:41:39 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's Pay as an Actor in HP Movies.
In-Reply-To: <dlks5u+5uel@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlod7j+1025e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "krista7" <erikog at o...> wrote:
>
> 
> In re: Dan's nest egg. I recall reading--either on CNN.com or Reuters-
-
> that Daniel Radcliffe was the second richest minor in the United 
Kingdom,
>  with Prince William being the only one ahead of him. This was a 
while ago. 

Geoff:
I don't think that comparison could have been made. Prince William came 
of age in 2000 before the first film.....






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 00:01:01 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:01:01 -0000
Subject: My GOF Movie Review - Part 2 - very minor spoiler
In-Reply-To: <dlmnbm+kfvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dloebt+4rdu@eGroups.com>

Just saw the movie for the second time. It was nice because as others
have said, the movie moves through each scene so fast it's easy to
miss stuff.

Echoing LunaLovesHarry, Dan has really grown as an actor. The scene
when he returns with Cedric's body is very moving and very touch.
Harry/Dan is really crying in this scene, and is thorougly convincing.
Certainly nothing like the pathetic sobbing we get in PoA. 

Again somewhat echoing LunaLovesHarry, regarding Gambon. I think it is
true that he really doesn't get Dumbledore, but I can't place all the
blame on the actor; he is reciting the lines as written and in a way
consistent with the Directors wishes. So, if anything, it's Steve
Kloves and the current Director of the Day who truly don't understand
Dumbledore. Note, Steve Kloves in NOT writing the screan play for the
next movie. Perhaps that will bring a nice change to an already vastly
improving franchise.

Stan/Viktor, once again I was very impressed with Stan as Viktor. He
has wonderful stage presents, and creates a real strong character as
Viktor. Not exacly like Viktor in the book, but a most excellent
interpretation. All the Durmstrang boys are excellent. 

As a slight side note, I think Igor Karkaroff was very well played too.

The French girls of Beauxbatons Academy are OK, no complains, but they
certainly don't have the stage presents of the power Durmstang boys.

Overal, I think they did a decent job of weaving and re-weaving
together the plot so it worked in the movie. With the exception of
some minor points regarding Dumbledore, and of course the movie being
several minutes too short. I think all the changes are acceptable and
within reason. Movies simply aren't books, and no matter how good a
writer or director you are, that fact simply holds true.

Now to cover some new ground-

Holy [long string of expletives deleted], Voldemort's return and the
whole Graveyard scene was stunningly spectacular. To some extent the
background to the wands connnecting is down played, but that actual
emergence of Voldemort from the cauldron was breath-taking -- really
spooky. 

And Ralph Finnes as Voldemort was equally breath-taking. Despite the
fact the he probably didn't do a lot to prepare for his role, I think
he did an excellent job of capturing the essense of Voldemort. Again,
everything was too short and too fast, but I gues that can't be help.
The one thing that would have enhanced it, would have been for
Voldemort to have red eyes, but I guess you can't have everything.
Still, all of the various aspects of the graveyard scene were brilliant.

As a final note; once again the level of acting improvement is
stunning. Whenever any of the primary characters is on the screen, the
really reach out and grab you. I found nothing lacking in any of them
that wasn't the fault of the script and the pace.

The last, late note; Fred and George really stand out in this movie
too. They are much more prominent and far more dynamic in the scenes
they are given. We really do get some sense of Fred and George in this
movie.
 
Steve/bboyminn






From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sun Nov 20 00:02:17 2005
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:02:17 -0000
Subject: Steve's GOF movie review - spoilers
In-Reply-To: <15.51506d77.30b0b682@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dloee9+26de@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, LunaLovesHarry at a... wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> Before I give my opinion I want to make a comment about something. 
With all 
> the 'pre-released' teaser scenes and trailers, did anyone feel like
they could 
> sit at their home computers, download them all and then edit the movie 
> together?  I mean, we'd loved the trailers, but I was starting to
feel like I 
> wouldn't have to spend my $10 to see it with all the marketing that
was being done 
> by WB ... all I'd have to do is assemble the movie at home!  And, as
I watched 
> the movie yesterday, in some ways, it was like watching a re-run as
we'd seen 
> soooo many of the scenes already.
 
-SNIP 

I agree with this a hundred percent, that was the way I felt for the
past month. Fortunately I managed to stay away from all
these clips and spoilerish pictures because I felt there were too many
of them and it would take all the fun from the movie. I also agree
that the marketing was a bit excessive.

I went to the midnight release to be among the first to watch the
movie and also to avoid small children and/or annoying teenagers, but
I went back at 5pm with my daughter (the only one dressed up at the
theatre), my sister, 6 of my ex-students (5th graders now) and a
friend from work. I also liked the movie a lot, I feel it was more
emotional than the other three, there was no abuse of special effects
and the acting was a lot better. I also agree with Steve's review, but
I have my own thigs to add.

Three things I liked about it:

1.- Gred and Forge had more presence here, I loved the fact that they
were providing the comic relief this time, as it is in the books; in
the previous movies they were practically non-existent and it was a
shame because I love the twins. I also adored Neville, I'm really glad
that this movie gave more screen time to other not-so-big characters
and not only the trio.

2.- The tasks were great. The first task was amazing, I liked it
better in the movie, it was action-packed. The second task was as good
as it is in the book. The third task was different, because the
champions didn't have monsters/spells/riddles to confront, but when
they were inside the maze, I felt shivers down my spine. It was spooky.

3.- Voldemort. I was stunned by Fiennes acting, wow! IMO he stole the
movie, even if his part was short. Of course the voice was not as high
pitched and cold, and his eyes not snake like; but I think no matter
what they did it was impossible to make Ralph Fiennes's eyes look bad.
He has the most gorgeous eyes in the world.(I wanted so bad that he'd
been Sirius Black)

Three things I didn't like:

1.- Barty Crouch Sr. looked like a sorry little man, speaking in this
way that it seemed he would start stuttering any time. I always
thought he was a strong character, doing always "the right thing" to
the point of being cruel. I think Fudge showed more personality. 

2.- Snape was not his own-usual-evil-self. I am not a Snape lover, but
this time he lacked both screen time and evilness. And I have to admit
that even though I almost hate him, his presence and his viciousness
are necessary. I also missed Draco.

3.- The end of the movie didn't make you want OoP badly. I know books
and movies are not the same, but I think this movie had a too happy
ending. Probably they thought of non-readers or children; but hey, the
sales of OoP would go as high as the sky if the ending had this sense
of uncertainty and foreboding.

My two cents. In general I liked it a lot, and definitely will watch
it one or two more times. Have a great HP weekend everyone.

Gabriela







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 20 07:02:36 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Nov 2005 07:02:36 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1132470156.12.76299.m34@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

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Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 20 18:02:13 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 20 Nov 2005 18:02:13 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1132509733.15.60147.m34@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 20, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

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Start time:
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12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
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From chariot313 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 19:41:13 2005
From: chariot313 at yahoo.com (Melissa)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:41:13 -0000
Subject: hp rpg anyone?
Message-ID: <dlqjgp+31p0@eGroups.com>

hey everyone... my name is melissa and im 17 and im one of the biggest 
harry potter fans out there. i just saw harry potter and the goblet of 
fire the other day and i thought it was amazing

ive been role playing for 6 years now
and i was jsut wondering if anyone is interested in STARTING A HARRY 
POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE RPG. it would be the movie plus anything 
lef tout from the book plus whatever we want to put it in. any plots 
can change and basically we can just turn it into our ideas. so if 
anyone is interested in starting up a group with me EMAIL me or IM ME 
ON AIM. my screen name for aim is FALSEMORTALITY13

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR KNOW ANYONE WHO IS OR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO 
HELP OUT OR JOIN... please inform me. thanks! hope to hear from you all 
soon.

-melissa








From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Nov 20 20:20:48 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:20:48 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <20051116235420.98952.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dlqlr0+3vsh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote:

<<   I would rather raly for a solution than a gripe.
What about Ian McKellen as Dumbledore?  I pictured him even before
LotR and was disappointed with Harris' selection for the role. >> 

I always wanted Ian McKellen for the part, and I hoped WB would take
the opportunity of Harris's death to get him, but he gave a public
interview in which he said very nasty things about WB (being a bunch
of money- grubbing ghouls, my phrase, I don't remember his)
disrespecting a dead man and a fine actor by trying to fill Richard
Harris's shoes while they were still warm, so I don't think he would
take the part if offered.

Gandalf was real and Harris AND Gambon were just acting, is only one
of the many reasons why 'the other movie' (FOTR) was so much better
than 'our movie' (HP&SS). At least the second two HP movies were
better than the pathetic first two. As Kloves was the script writer
for all four, it is clear that the deficiencies of the first two were
not the fault of the script, but of the director.






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Nov 20 20:27:49 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:27:49 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore's physical with Harry and other thoughts on the Movie
In-Reply-To: <20051119194126.24971.qmail@web51615.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dlqm85+88bh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote:

<<  Dragons.  Well done, though I would like to have seen what Krums
looked like (we only see a wing) and what the Fireball looked like >> 

Yes! Before seeing the movie, I never would have guessed that not
seeing the miniature of the Chinese Fireball would be a *bigger*
disappointment than not seeing Sirius/Padfoot.

But despite my complaints, I think it was a good movie that did a good
job of *reducing* a 900-some page book to the screen; the *very large*
cuts were done gracefully and seamlessly. 






From k.coble at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 21:22:46 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:22:46 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Michael Gambon doesn't see any point on reading the books????
In-Reply-To: <dlqlr0+3vsh@eGroups.com>
References: <dlqlr0+3vsh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1b0ff452f025962726535f159d3de875@comcast.net>


On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote:
>
> <<   I would rather raly for a solution than a gripe.
> What about Ian McKellen as Dumbledore?  I pictured him even before
> LotR and was disappointed with Harris' selection for the role. >>
>
> I always wanted Ian McKellen for the part,

> Gandalf was real and Harris AND Gambon were just acting, is only one
> of the many reasons why 'the other movie' (FOTR) was so much better
> than 'our movie' (HP&SS). At least the second two HP movies were
> better than the pathetic first two. As Kloves was the script writer
> for all four, it is clear that the deficiencies of the first two were
> not the fault of the script, but of the director.
>

K:  I think there are several reasons that MacKellen won't take it, not 
the least of which
is that he doesn't want to be playing wizards forever.  I still think, 
in the still-small-voice part of me that a much better choice (than 
that a$$, Gambon)  would be Pete Postlethwaite.    He's British, and he 
can do patrician concern very well--just rent "In The Name Of The 
Father" and you'll see what I mean.
  And yes, I think that Chris Columbus was not a good directing choice 
for the first two.   I'd prefer that they get directors who've spent 
time in a British boarding school.  Newell's work on this film was 
obviously informed by his own experience.   Yeah, I know not every 
director has to experience the setting of his film (George Lucas has 
never been in space, and Speilberg has never seen a dinosaur), but in a 
case where it is possible and where someone (Newell) has obviously 
brought his own experience to bear, then I say go for it.

Regardless, I'm just eager to see Gambon go.  His treatment of all the 
students was AWFUL and completely non-canonical




From juli17 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 01:39:58 2005
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:39:58 EST
Subject: Dumbledore's physical with Harry and other thoughts on the Movie
Message-ID: <d.50a12a11.30b27f6e@aol.com>

 

Kemper wrote:
Before I start, I want it known that I enjoyed this  movie the best.  I give 
it a B+, but I'm also grading on a curve.   !!!SPOILER ALERT!!!

The suck parts:
Dumbledore grabbing Harry.  This was a  major disconnect from my view of the 
character not because of the grab, but  because of the anger directed at 
Harry.  Perhaps, I'm reading the scene  wrong.  Maybe Gamdon was suppose to be 
portraying fear for Harry rather  than anger at Harry. Then I can kind of see 
Dumbledore grab Harry... kind  of.
 
Julie:
That scene startled me a bit, especially at the beginning, but I do  think by
the end it was clear Dumbledore was expressing fear for Harry. And  he had
to make sure Harry hadn't submitted his name, just as Sirius did  (telling
Harry from the fire "I had to ask.")

K:    What the hell happend to Crouch Jr!?  Though It was interesting, 
knowing  what we know, that Snape was the one left alone to Guard Crouch Jr. instead 
of  MacGonagall.
 
Julie: I found that fact interesting too! I'm not sure it had any  
significance, but
the way Snape was pressing his wand into Crouch Jr's cheek with that  intense
look in his eyes...

K: The Quidditch World  Cup.  We don't see it.  We see the pre-game show, 
barely.  But  the stadium was impressive.  Newell's brevity is understandable 
here  because the World Cup is not important to the plot.  It's the post-game  
activities that are the reason we, the audience, are there.
 
Julie: I didn't mind not seeing the World Cup. What we saw, the  stadium and 
the
mix of wizards from all over the world attending, was more interesting  to me 
than
seeing another Quidditch match (been there, done that).
 
K: I'm a big strong-female-character fan.  Fluer sucks and is  weak.  I was 
hoping for the screenwriter to take liberties with the  character by making 
Fluer fierce.  But, in the end, that's a minor  complaint.
 
Julie: A minor complaint for me too. Especially in the maze, Fleur ran  
around like
she was terrified. Hermoine or Ginny wouldn't have done  that!

(snip)

K: Snape  suggests to keep Harry in the tournement!?  The Snape-ophobes will 
be  elated.  Boo...
 
Julie: Oh, I don't know. It can easily be construed as Snape  hoping that 
annoying
Potter brat would succeed in getting himself killed  ;-)

(snip)
   
K: What the eff is up with talking about the Foe/Faux  Mirror and then not 
using it later!?!  I was so looking forward to the seen  from the book where 
Harry sees Dumbledore, MacGonagall and Snape in that mirror  right before the 
three blast in the door to save Harry.  Boo... Newell...  Boo...
 
Julie: I was expecting the same thing. A minor disappointment,  though it 
would
have been a mere few seconds to show them in the mirror. Darn. 
 
My other disappointment was when Moody traumatized Neville with the 
Crutacious curse on the spider, then later takes him off for a cup of  tea
after Harry and Hermoine ask in the hall if he's alright. One line would 
have cleared up why Neville was so shaken, for those who haven't read
the books and don't know his parents were Crucioed into  insanity.

(snip)
 
K: Ralph Fiennes.  Good Voldemort

Julie: I agree. He was appropriately menacing with just the right edge  of 
insanity. 

K: Dan Radcliffe.  I've hated him as Harry.  Sure, he had the  look but he 
lacked the soul.  Also, his acting was great for school pagents  at best.  Wow!  
Has he improved.  I got teary eyed when he  brought Ced back.  
 
Julie: I though he was excellent in the scene with Cedric's body. Dan 
does have a tendency to fall into periodic blank expressions. But I  actually 
think what makes Dan work so well as Harry isn't his acting  (which isn't at
the level of, say, Rupert's), but his heart. (I've read a couple of  reviews 
that
mention this, so this isn't my idea, but I totally agree  with it). Dan has 
heart
the way Harry has heart. They're the same in that way, and that's why  it's
easy to buy Dan as Harry. Watching Dan struggle with his task  (acting) is
watching Harry struggle with his task (being the boy who lived). So Dan 
in essence melds into Harry, which is what matters. We have to buy him 
as the character, which I do, wholeheartedly  ;-)

K: Emma Watson.  Also, never quite a fan of  hers.  However, that too has 
changed.  Though some of the lines she  gets seemed out of character and more for 
the audience then the characters on  screen, I recognize that this is not her 
fault.
 
Julie: Oddly, she seemed a bit overwrought at times in this  movie. I mention
Dan having Harry's heart, and sometimes I don't feel Emma quite  overcomes
her "acting" to inhabit Hermoine's character. But she does have  her moments.

K: Rupert Grint.  I've always like  him as Ron and felt him a better actor 
than Dan.  His performance was the  best of the three though they were all 
great.  I can't wait to see his new  film next year.

Julie: Rupert rocks. Rupert *is* Ron. Enough said!

K: Dragons.  Well done, though I would like to have seen what  Krums looked 
like (we only see a wing) and what the Fireball looked like instead  of having 
to hear Crouch Sr 'Oooooh...' it, but it was funny.  However, I  did wonder... 
did they run out of money?
 
Julie: I liked the fact that we "stayed" with Harry while the  others were out
fighting their dragons. It let us feel what Harry  was feeling, the 
claustrophobic
sense of the room, the growing tension of waiting for his turn,  fearing it 
but 
wanting to get it over with...well, that's what I got from the brief  few 
moments
anyway. Could have been a budget issue, but it worked for  me. 

K: Neville.  Yea!!!  More  Neville.  Who cares if he's at the library at 
3am?!  More Neville with  better lines.  More Neville with better lines!  More 
NEVILLE with  better LINES!!!

Julie: Agreed! I'll expect as much in OotP :-)
 
And as for the other characters, Gambon as Dumbledore wasn't as bad as  I'd
feared (having seen the shaking Harry scene in a Making of GoF special)  and
he's even growing on me. McGonagall got some good lines. Mad-Eye was
very well played by Brendan Neeson, as was Rita Skeeter by Miranda 
Richardson. And Filch coming through the Great Hall was hilarious!
 
As for Snape, there much of him, and I missed the scene where he and 
Mad-Eye go at each other (no sense of animosity between them in the
movie as there was in the book). But I'm glad there was that scene  between
him and Harry over the gillyweed, as Snape's snarkiness toward Harry  is
a critical component of the books. I also found it amusing that he  cuffed
Harry and Ron on the heads with his book, then rolled up his sleeves  and
shoved their heads back into their books, for two reasons. One is  that
he seemed like a typically nonpartisan teacher knocking them on the
heads for continually talking (as they *didn't* stop even knowing he  was
watching them) than targeting them in his usual partisan way. And the
other is, in the books Snape never physically touches any student  (that
we observe), no matter how annoyed he is. So it comes across doubly
odd for him to do so here, and in such a seemingly neutral manner. 
 
BTW, were we to assume Neville stole the gillyweed out of Snape's 
potions closet (as Dobby did in the book)? It seemed that way, and  I'm
still trying to get a handle on Neville having the gumption to do  this!
 
In closing, finally, I'd give the movie an A-. The minus is for the  couple
of minor missing moments mentioned above (foe mirror, Neville's  parents)
that served as important clarification points so should have been  there. 
 
Julie 







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From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Mon Nov 21 03:00:49 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:00:49 -0000
Subject: Delayed reaction to GOF--argh!
Message-ID: <dlrd91+jfqr@eGroups.com>

Saw GOF late last night; afterward I dreamed that Ted Kennedy was 
giving a speech in the senate and was dressed as Mad-Eye Moody. 

I'm going to matinees from now on.
MsTattersall







From erikog at one.net  Mon Nov 21 08:35:32 2005
From: erikog at one.net (krista7)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:35:32 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe's Pay as an Actor in HP Movies.
In-Reply-To: <dlod7j+1025e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dls0sk+1euf@eGroups.com>


Krista:
> > In re: Dan's nest egg. I recall reading--either on CNN.com or Reuters-
> -
> > that Daniel Radcliffe was the second richest minor in the United 
> Kingdom,
> >  with Prince William being the only one ahead of him. This was a 
> while ago. 
> 
> Geoff:
> I don't think that comparison could have been made. Prince William came 
> of age in 2000 before the first film.....

--and Krista again:

I can't speak for the accuracy of the details, just the fact I saw this story in a 
major news service (Reuters/CNN) a while ago. I have since tried to look it up 
online and I can give you this much:

http://www.wizardnews.com/story.20040329.html

This is from his IMDB.com bio, but the Prince in question is Prince *Harry*, 
which fits more with the timeline you mentioned, Geoff. In this case, he's in 
third place, but he's since surpassed Charlotte Church, according to that first 
link:

>A February 23, 2004 article in British newspaper 'The Sun' listed him as
 >>> Britain's third richest teenager behind only Prince Harry Windsor and 
>>>Charlotte Church. He is said to be worth 5 million pounds.

And last but not least, the BBC, also citing Prince Harry as the mystery rich 
royal:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_3910000/newsid_3917400/
3917453.stm

Again, who knows what's right/accurate, but the story is out there. I googled 
"daniel radcliffe prince richest" and got several references to this story. 

Krista








From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Nov 21 12:31:37 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:31:37 -0000
Subject: Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" for 2005
Message-ID: <dlsen9+3t3u@eGroups.com>

Time is providing its readers with a chance to vote online for their
pick as "Person of the Year."

Someone we all know and love is currently *way* out in front (46% at
the time I'm posting this, compared to 14% for the No. 2 contender)


http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2005/walkup/


- CMC






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Nov 21 14:33:38 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:33:38 -0000
Subject: Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" for 2005
In-Reply-To: <dlsen9+3t3u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlsls2+ldn0@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote:
>
> Time is providing its readers with a chance to vote online for 
their
> pick as "Person of the Year."
> 
> Someone we all know and love is currently *way* out in front (46% 
at
> the time I'm posting this, compared to 14% for the No. 2 contender)
> 
> 
> http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2005/walkup/

Well, that is the most bizarre poll I have seen in a while!

Why only a dozen mainly jejeune contenders?  Why Bono but not 
Geldof?  Why Mother Nature at all, but then why not Lord Voldemort 
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  Who is Rick Warren?  Where are the 
*interesting* people like Hugo Chavez and Pat Robertson?  Or my 
personal favourite comedian, Silvio Berlusconi?

I'm glad Steve Jobs is there since, no saint though he is, he 
probably is making a difference to people who prefer music-related 
extortion to be only moderately exorbitant.

I'm particularly disappointed that I can't vote for Michael Gambon, 
who has done so much to revive a moribund OT-Chatter list.

David







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 15:16:33 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 07:16:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" for 2005
In-Reply-To: <dlsls2+ldn0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051121151634.46396.qmail@web51607.mail.yahoo.com>



> http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/2005/walkup/


  David's response:  Well, that is the most bizarre poll I have seen in a while!

Why only a dozen mainly jejeune contenders?  Why Bono but not 
Geldof?  Why Mother Nature at all, but then why not Lord Voldemort 
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  Who is Rick Warren?  Where are the 
*interesting* people like Hugo Chavez and Pat Robertson?  Or my 
personal favourite comedian, Silvio Berlusconi?


  Kemper now:
  Jejune? Really?  Who's Geldof? I can agree with Hugo Chavez, but Pat Roberson or Silvio Berlusconi?  Time is an American magazine, so Americans, though seemingly world ignorant, wouldn't care about Silvio because they won't, and I don't, see how his politics greatly affects theirs.  However, it is easy to see where Hugo has touched politcos for the US's southern hemisphere relations.  As far as Pat is concerned... his time has come and gone.
   
   

		
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From spin01 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 16:27:53 2005
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:27:53 -0000
Subject: GOF  spoiler
In-Reply-To: <20051118200135.67571.qmail@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dlssi9+d0o5@eGroups.com>

Went to the midnight showing here.  theater was packed more than an 
hour before show started it was already full.  they opened second 
theater.  Did I like the movie?  Not so much.  As someone else 
pointed out in an earlier post.  To many things were changed or just 
thrown in with no explanation.  

SPOILER
>
>
>
>
>
I did not like how Barti Crouch was thrown into the first scene.  And 
where was Winky?  I needed to see winky.  I hate it when I see a 
movie that was of a book that I loved.  I loved GOF more than any of 
the books so far.  And so they would have had to make a 5 hour movie 
why not a part one and part two.  not like these movies are not 
making money.  But to many things got just totally skipped over.  
althought there were some great parts.  loved the scene in the 
prefects bathroom with harry and moaning myrtle.  and the one with 
snape and harry and ron in the class was classic.  everyone in the 
theater was laughing.  just to much stuff skipped over for me
sherry

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>   I enjoyed it greatly while I was in the theatre.  After the movie 
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it.  Does that make sense?
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>   
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>   Has anyone in this group seen the movie yet?  Are you allowed to 
> comment yet?  I can't see it until Sunday because my other HP fan 
> friend had surgery yesterday and doesn't want to go until then.  I 
> promised I'd wait for her but I'm going mad wondering today what 
> everyone thinks of it.  It's not like we don't know what the story 
is 
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> 
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From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Mon Nov 21 13:09:45 2005
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:09:45 +0200
Subject: message to Tanya
Message-ID: <s381e362.078@gwia.resbank.co.za>


Hi there

Sorry to do this to you, but, I wanted to know what the address is 
to a role playing group that is very easy for people who use screen readers to play in.

Please help and thanks again.

Cairie







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 19:42:30 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:42:30 -0500
Subject: SIM chip for Nokia - how do I put the bugger in?
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211142j4643c856i27f52aecd2e1ef51@mail.gmail.com>

I think I'm suppose to pop the back off... I've never owned a
cellphone.  So, my boss tosses me a cellphone to replace the one our
maintenance guy lost and tells me to put in the SIM chip and then
leaves. {quirks eyebrow}

Dunno the model... just jiffy pop great and the back cover isn't coming off.

Dina



From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 20:05:31 2005
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:05:31 -0000
Subject: Yule Ball Gowns
Message-ID: <dlt9ab+23uo@eGroups.com>

I have a friend whose daughter MUST have Hermione's Yule Ball Gown to 
wear to a winter formal this February.  Does anyone know where I can 
find either of the following:  a good full-length photo of Emma in the 
dress; a pattern (or an idea of what type of pattern) to use if we can 
find someone to make it.  Any help would be appreciated, and feel free 
to contact me off list at dzny72 at yahoo.com  Please put "Yule Ball Gown" 
in your subject line so it doesn't get marked as junk.

Thanks alot!!

Marlo







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 20:08:34 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:08:34 -0000
Subject: Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
Message-ID: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>

Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so
absurdly extreme as to be almost comical.

Rex Reed - New York Observer -
http://www.newyorkobserver.com/culture_rexreed-2.asp

A mild sample-

"As Harry turns 14, 16-year-old Daniel Radcliffe is pushing the
envelope. With hairy legs, a bulge in his pants, an Adam's apple and
some odd makeup that proves even wizards get acne, the evidence
indicates that as Harry and his pals start a new year at Hogwarts,
they have become hormonally challenged before their time."

"It is also so pretentious, convoluted and confusing that grown men
were standing around in groups after it ended, asking, "Did you
understand it?" and, more bluntly, "What the f?  was that?" Worst of
all, this movie is so violent, you'd have to be a sadist to send
children ..."

Just passing it alone.

Steve/bboyminn






From heidi8 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 20:20:58 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
References: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f80511211220v6a6a58afvb8e5c7107cdf8886@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so
> absurdly extreme as to be almost comical.

Now, I've seen some weird comments - people send emails to some of the
sites I work on saying things like, "How dare they cut out Winky! She
is the key to the whole film!" and "Did they really make Daniel go
underwater to film those scenes?" and "Why did they ignore the entire
plot of the book? Nothing from the book was in the movie!" and "Why
was Voldemort so scary?"

But was Reed paying attention to his popcorn? Harry doesn't get
bruised? The character is barely 14? Moody *becomes* a Death Eater?
There are bodies in EVERY scene?

Wha?

Heidi

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 20:28:01 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:01 -0500
Subject: SIM chip for Nokia - how do I put the bugger in?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511211142j4643c856i27f52aecd2e1ef51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400511211142j4643c856i27f52aecd2e1ef51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211228g35fed9deh54e371707200de5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dunno the model... just jiffy pop great and the back cover isn't coming off.

Thing still isn't moving.  I believe you press the 'release' and slide
the back cover off but it's not budging.  If I can remove the cover, I
web searched and the SIM chip goes under the battery.

{sighs} Y'know, I'm going to let our maintenance guy figure this out. 
Heck, he's the one who lost his phone and I'm getting irked at
something that wasn't my fault to begin with.

My boss tends to toss problems at me to figure out on my own. 
Usually, I can figure them out but... this Nokia is *stuck*.  Gentle
push or firm and... {shakes head}

I'm glad I'm too poor to afford a cellphone... Well, I could afford
one, but other than a *rare* emergency, I'd feel like I was wasting
money for something I'd *maybe* use once a year.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 21:10:42 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:10:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
References: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211310n1d16989ap96fe9d1da3dc2746@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so

Hm, my brother still followed the movie and he was playing some game
on his PSP--after GOF, he hooked up his PSP to his van's (those
'suspicious' non-descript white ones) stereo and the audio was better
than the movie theater... for a Family Guy disk. {g}  Plus, he's never
read any of the books.

We can do one better... we're both the products of 'Florida
education', which is probably an oxymoron as evident by the fact I've
been in the Florida 'gifted program' for years and can't get the damn
cellphone back cover off. {chuckle}

I both liked and didn't like parts of GOF.  I was rather amused when I
went to a forum [that doesn't exist] to download a movie [that also
doesn't exist] and everyone kept requesting GOF last Saturday
because... y'know, GOF is not online. ;-)  Those reports about GOF
being online before general release... fictitious. ;-)

As for the 'non-existent' ;-) movie I was looking for, it was
appropriately named 'The Fog'.  It's on my Netflix queue for January
2006.

Dina



From k.coble at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 20:28:32 2005
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:28:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
References: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e7c9645e0eade97e14e454f8ea5dbab9@comcast.net>


On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Steve wrote:

> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so
> absurdly extreme as to be almost comical.
>
> Rex Reed - New York Observer -
> http://www.newyorkobserver.com/culture_rexreed-2.asp
>

K:

He closes out the "review" (actually a b!tchfest on wheels) by 
admitting that he's "too old" for Harry Potter movies.   Okay.  Fine.  
Then don't go to any more.   Spend your time waxing eloquent about Rent 
and Brokeback Mountain.

I think it ought to be a reviewer policy that film reviewers DON'T 
review every film, and instead only those that they would intend to see 
in their real life.   I review things, but I didn't review, say, "Doom: 
The Movie" because I know that it isn't my cup of tea at all.   Nor did 
I feel I needed to have an opinion on "Vera Drake" or "The Hours" or 
any other movie that didn't sound like fun to me.





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 21:16:43 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:16:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511211310n1d16989ap96fe9d1da3dc2746@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051121211643.20605.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please....it's Rex Reed, for crying out loud.  He probably couldn't pick up the GoF book, let alone actually read it.
   
  MJ

Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
  On 11/21/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so

Hm, my brother still followed the movie and he was playing some game
on his PSP--after GOF, he hooked up his PSP to his van's (those
'suspicious' non-descript white ones) stereo and the audio was better
than the movie theater... for a Family Guy disk. {g}  Plus, he's never
read any of the books.

We can do one better... we're both the products of 'Florida
education', which is probably an oxymoron as evident by the fact I've
been in the Florida 'gifted program' for years and can't get the damn
cellphone back cover off. {chuckle}

I both liked and didn't like parts of GOF.  I was rather amused when I
went to a forum [that doesn't exist] to download a movie [that also
doesn't exist] and everyone kept requesting GOF last Saturday
because... y'know, GOF is not online. ;-)  Those reports about GOF
being online before general release... fictitious. ;-)

As for the 'non-existent' ;-) movie I was looking for, it was
appropriately named 'The Fog'.  It's on my Netflix queue for January
2006.

Dina


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 22:54:07 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:54:07 -0500
Subject: There should be 'long finger nail friendly' gadgets
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211454w29f37f11kf94f8bff4fc29436@mail.gmail.com>

Dude...Duuuuddde!

The maintenance guy easily... dammit, *easily* popped off the
cellphone back cover.  He showed me how and I still couldn't do it.

I am trimming my 'claws'.  He simply put the end of his thumb on the
release and pushed.  Well, with nails, it doesn't work the same for
me.

As for typing, I generally don't feel most of the keyboard.

Dina



From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 00:41:09 2005
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:41:09 -0000
Subject: Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dltpf5+g7ih@eGroups.com>

Bboyminn posted:
>
> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so
> absurdly extreme as to be almost comical.
> 
> Rex Reed - New York Observer -
> http://www.newyorkobserver.com/culture_rexreed-2.asp
> 
> A mild sample-
> 
> "As Harry turns 14, 16-year-old Daniel Radcliffe is pushing the
> envelope. With hairy legs, a bulge in his pants, an Adam's apple and
> some odd makeup that proves even wizards get acne, the evidence
> indicates that as Harry and his pals start a new year at Hogwarts,
> they have become hormonally challenged before their time."
> 
> "It is also so pretentious, convoluted and confusing that grown men
> were standing around in groups after it ended, asking, "Did you
> understand it?" and, more bluntly, "What the f?  was that?" Worst of
> all, this movie is so violent, you'd have to be a sadist to send
> children ..."
> 


Sea Change responds:

Ha Ha HA HA HA ha ha (snort)!           .....hee!

It was a hilarious review!   If I had read it and been indifferent to JKR, I would really have 
wanted to go see the film.  Having actually seen the film, I think it was even funnier than 
Reed intended.


Sea Change, who would have liked to have seen Daniel Radcliffe in a speedo.










From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Nov 22 00:55:13 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:55:13 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SIM chip for Nokia - how do I put the bugger in?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511211142j4643c856i27f52aecd2e1ef51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43830721.26952.4100FD@localhost>

On 21 Nov 2005 at 14:42, Dina Lerret wrote:

> I think I'm suppose to pop the back off... I've never owned a
> cellphone.  So, my boss tosses me a cellphone to replace the one our
> maintenance guy lost and tells me to put in the SIM chip and then
> leaves. {quirks eyebrow}
> 
> Dunno the model... just jiffy pop great and the back cover isn't
> coming off.

On most Nokia's yes, you have to pop the back off to put the SIM card 
in, and some Nokia's, getting the back off can be tricky.

On most Nokia's at the back, near the base is a small flattened semi-
circular button that you are meant to push down as you push the cover 
forward. In theory this should be quite easy - in practice, not 
always.

I have found with difficult ones that it is best to put the phone 
face down on a soft cloth (to protect the front) and then using a 
normal writing pencil, push down on the button, quite hard and push 
forward at the same time. This will often move the cover.

Once the cover is off, the SIM card generally goes into a holder 
right near the base of the phone, with the battery located in the 
centre of the phone.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From marty.larson at verizon.net  Tue Nov 22 01:09:50 2005
From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty Larson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:09:50 -0000
Subject: British child labor laws?
Message-ID: <dltr4u+d9v2@eGroups.com>

So here's my question in regards to the filming of the HP movies - 
they (whoever they are - WB, Heyman, etc.) say that the filming takes 
so long because under the child labor laws of Britian, The kids may 
only film for 4 1/2 hours a day.  No problem with that, but at what 
age are they no longer considered under these regulations?  The 
research I did said that the age requirement is related to compulsary 
school age.  So what is that in Britain?  If it is say, 16, then this 
shouldn't be a critical a factor for OotP, correct? And the remaining 
three movies can move along guite a bit faster. Or is it older?  When 
do you reach your majority in Britain?

Marty







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 02:53:54 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:53:54 -0500
Subject: If a fly bites your butt, you make what sound?
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211853g44beffa5v72828022a85fbf5e@mail.gmail.com>

I'm watching Racing Stripes on HBO now.  Michael Rosenbaum is the
voice of Ruffshodd, one of the [bully] race horses, and David Spade is
the voice of Scuzz, a fly.  Anyway, Scuzz takes a chomp at Ruffshodd's
rump and I had some amusing thoughts.

I went through the 'horse stage' as a young girl and I loved the Black
Stallion series--had over twenty BS books... yeah, BS, indeed--and
cried during Black Beauty.  It's sometimes interesting to later
realize you've seen certain actors in other works.  For example, as a
gal who enjoyed the LOTR and HP movies, Sean Bean and David Thewlis
were in Black Beauty.  Hm, Black Beauty was one of those instances
where Sean Bean's character a) didn't die in the role and/or b) wasn't
the 'villain'.  I still appreciate horses... like that song, From A
Distance. {g}

I added the Black Stallion to my Netflix queue and it's interesting
reading the reviews for the BS movies.  I'm kinda impressed by those
who can identify breeds.

Dina



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 22 03:42:18 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:42:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SIM chip for Nokia - how do I put the bugger
 in?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511211228g35fed9deh54e371707200de5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c5ef16$bcec9f30$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I'd try presseing the release if there is one and pressing a small,
flat-head driver in the space between cover and phone, at the place the
release is at.  You might be able to use the flat-head as a wedge or pry.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
 

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| [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dina Lerret
| Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 15:28
| To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
| Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: SIM chip for Nokia - how do I 
| put the bugger in?
| 
| On 11/21/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
| 
| > Dunno the model... just jiffy pop great and the back cover 
| isn't coming off.
| 
| Thing still isn't moving.  I believe you press the 'release' and slide
| the back cover off but it's not budging.  If I can remove the cover, I
| web searched and the SIM chip goes under the battery.
| 
| {sighs} Y'know, I'm going to let our maintenance guy figure this out. 
| Heck, he's the one who lost his phone and I'm getting irked at
| something that wasn't my fault to begin with.
| 
| My boss tends to toss problems at me to figure out on my own. 
| Usually, I can figure them out but... this Nokia is *stuck*.  Gentle
| push or firm and... {shakes head}
| 
| I'm glad I'm too poor to afford a cellphone... Well, I could afford
| one, but other than a *rare* emergency, I'd feel like I was wasting
| money for something I'd *maybe* use once a year.
| 
| Dina
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 03:57:46 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:57:46 -0500
Subject: SIM chip for Nokia - how do I put the bugger in?
In-Reply-To: <43830721.26952.4100FD@localhost>
References: <1a2738400511211142j4643c856i27f52aecd2e1ef51@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43830721.26952.4100FD@localhost>
Message-ID: <1a2738400511211957t2627159fv90084810eca07c12@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, Shaun Hately <drednort at alphalink.com.au> wrote:

> On most Nokia's at the back, near the base is a small flattened semi-
> circular button that you are meant to push down as you push the cover
> forward. In theory this should be quite easy - in practice, not
> always.

In *theory*. {chuckle}  I... I was so flabbergasted.  He just used one
thumb on the release, pushed forward with his finger tip, and the case
smoothly opened. =:-o


> I have found with difficult ones that it is best to put the phone
> face down on a soft cloth (to protect the front) and then using a
> normal writing pencil, push down on the button, quite hard and push
> forward at the same time. This will often move the cover.

I tried that with a retractable pen tip (as a gal with nails, I try to
find substitutes) and it didn't work. :-(


> Once the cover is off, the SIM card generally goes into a holder
> right near the base of the phone, with the battery located in the
> centre of the phone.

Aye, once the back cover was off, the battery was easy to pop out and
insert the T-Mobile SIM.  He didn't know how to insert the SIM chip,
so I did that.

{snort} Since we're both half Japanese and in the vein of 'how many
people to screw in a light bulb' joke, it took two to put in a SIM
chip.

Well, at least I now know about placement of SIM chips, even if I
can't get the back case off. ;--)  I usually like learning useful
stuff, and even if I don't personally own certain technology (my
boss's father questions me about an iPod--I never owned one--or my
boss gives me his Blackberry--don't have one of those either), I'm
surrounded by it.  I don't have much by way of 'portable' technology
because I'm not really 'on the go'.

When my boss's niece had a graduation party and they rented a
projector (I was asked to make a songvid from their home movies), I
had to figure out how to set-up and get the projector going and then
give my boss a brief overview.  It's such an opposite compared to my
previous job where my supervisor basically told her entire department
we're 'dumb' and not to think on our own, even though we were in there
for 8-10 years.

Dina



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 07:05:10 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:05:10 -0000
Subject: British child labor laws?
In-Reply-To: <dltr4u+d9v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlufv6+nmna@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marty Larson"
<marty.larson at v...> wrote:
>
> ... - they... say that the filming takes so long because under
> the child labor laws of Britian, The kids may only film for 4 1/2 
< hours a day.  ... The research ... said ... age requirement is 
> related to compulsary school age.  ...  If it is say, 16, then 
> this  shouldn't be a critical a factor for OotP, ...
> 
> Marty


bboyminn:

I think 'age of majority' is 18, but with regard to child labor laws,
while I'm not sure they are removed, I think they are eased a bit for
people /over/ 16. Dan made a brief comment about being able to work
longer hours and not needing tutoring, but that he was going to try
and keep his hours restricted. In another interview, I read that they
are going to make the next two movies as quickly as possible,
virtually simultaniously. I suspect that is partly to prevent the
actors from out growing the parts. While that doesn't confirm it, it
does seem to suggest that all the actors will be able to work longer.

Just a thought.

STeve/boyminn







From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 11:43:46 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:43:46 -0000
Subject: British child labor laws?
In-Reply-To: <dlufv6+nmna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlv09i+qu3h@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marty Larson"
> <marty.larson at v...> wrote:
> >
> > ... - they... say that the filming takes so long because under
> > the child labor laws of Britian, The kids may only film for 4 1/2 
> < hours a day.  ... The research ... said ... age requirement is 
> > related to compulsary school age.  ...  If it is say, 16, then 
> > this  shouldn't be a critical a factor for OotP, ...
> > 
> > Marty

We can't vote or drink until we're 18, but we can have sex and get 
married at 16 (usually in that order!)  We can officially leave school 
and join the adult work force when we are 16 (although the wages for 
under 18s do leave a lot to be desired - not that the actors in 
question will be troubled by that!)
I know that Emma Watson is the youngest of the trio and she turns 16 in 
March (I only know this because my son turns 16 in January and told me 
this interesting fact which I'm sure in no way is related to the facts 
given at the top of my e-mail!!). 

Sarah - still not seen it, waiting until Thursday (then maybe Friday 
too!)  







From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 22 13:44:25 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:44:25 -0000
Subject: British child labor laws?
In-Reply-To: <dlufv6+nmna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlv7bp+kr64@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:
> Dan made a brief comment about being able to work longer hours and 
> not needing tutoring, but that he was going to try and keep his hours 
> restricted. 

SSSusan:
And isn't that because he is continuing with his schooling?  So that 
he'd still like to keep the same set-up of time for study each day?  


bboyminn:
> In another interview, I read that they are going to make the next two 
> movies as quickly as possible, virtually simultaniously. I suspect 
> that is partly to prevent the actors from out growing the parts. 

SSSusan:
I'm assuming this will be facilitated, too, by having two different 
screenwriters working on 5 & 6.  Kloves can get a move-on writing HBP 
even as the screenwriter for 5 is still(?) wrapping things up or 
tweaking 5.  Fingers crossed that that's how it works, anyway. ;-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 18:47:28 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:47:28 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
Message-ID: <dlvp40+o67v@eGroups.com>

Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I 
totally missing something?  Are there no toys because the film
is too scary for kids?  Anybody know?
Sharon







From agbg0610 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 22 19:58:59 2005
From: agbg0610 at comcast.net (Amy)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:58:59 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dlvp40+o67v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlvta3+gbuu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> 
wrote:
>
> Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
> in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
> we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
> any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I 
> totally missing something?  Are there no toys because the film
> is too scary for kids?  Anybody know?

 Sharon
>
***************************************************************

We've been looking high and low, too.  We were in Toys R Us the other 
day and I was so excited to see what was new.  Nothing.  Not to 
mention I didn't particularly like the GoF posters they had, either!  
Phooey.  

I don't know - maybe the PG-13 rating did have something to do with 
it?  But then again, they had LoTR toys and they were PG-13.  
Personally, I would love to have my own Hungarian Horntail!  I've 
seen scale models and things like that - mostly collectors stuff, 
though.

Quidditchmom






From ceridwennight at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 22 17:54:12 2005
From: ceridwennight at hotmail.com (Ceridwen)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:54:12 -0000
Subject: Rex Reeds Review of GoF - Not Nice
In-Reply-To: <dlt9g2+qrti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dlvm04+pbt3@eGroups.com>

Steve/bboyminn:
> Here is a link to Rex Reeds Review of GoF. To say the least, it is a
> scathing review. His opinion is so extreme one wonders if he 
actually
> saw the movie. It is worth reading though because his review is so
> absurdly extreme as to be almost comical.
> 
> Rex Reed - New York Observer -
> http://www.newyorkobserver.com/culture_rexreed-2.asp
*(snip)*

Ceridwen:
Oh, dear, Rex Reed wishes he was that Simon from the talent show 
program.  He's been wishing it since before anyone ever heard of 
Simon.  He just doesn't have the flair.  I remember him from old TV 
game shows, where he was a celebrity contestant, and he always did 
his best to be mean.

Either dear Rex didn't pay attention, or he honestly didn't get it.  
How could he miss those scrapes, cuts and bruises?  Or the trace of 
what I guess was gillyweed imprint on Harry's jaw and neck?  (Or 
Mermaid fingerprints?  Bowtruckle suckies?)  What bothers me is, Reed 
probably hasn't read the books, and has no preconceived notion of 
what's going to happen (other than that he'll hate it, apparently).  
If he can get it so wrong (Moody taken over by the DEs?  Not that 
Crouch, jr. was Polyjuiced and subbing for him?), could others who 
haven't read the book?

Still, it doesn't sound like he paid any attention at all.  That's 
Rex Reed for ya!

Ceridwen.









From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 20:45:43 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:45:43 -0000
Subject: British child labor laws?
In-Reply-To: <dltr4u+d9v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm001n+cruo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marty Larson" 
<marty.larson at v...> wrote:

Marty:
> So here's my question in regards to the filming of the HP movies - 
> they (whoever they are - WB, Heyman, etc.) say that the filming takes 
> so long because under the child labor laws of Britian, The kids may 
> only film for 4 1/2 hours a day.  No problem with that, but at what 
> age are they no longer considered under these regulations?  The 
> research I did said that the age requirement is related to compulsary 
> school age.  So what is that in Britain?  If it is say, 16, then this 
> shouldn't be a critical a factor for OotP, correct? And the remaining 
> three movies can move along guite a bit faster. Or is it older?  When 
> do you reach your majority in Britain?

Geoff:
As Sarah has pointed out, a young person in the UK is restricted as to 
the amount of work they can do as long as they are in full-time 
mandatory education which is up to the end of the summer term following 
their 16th birthday.

So it is not related to the age of majority which is 18. A Sixth-former 
or a 16-18 year old in a higher education college normally has to meet 
the lesson demands of their courses - when I was in the Sixth many 
moons ago, I had a Saturday morning job - so they could take more than 
the stipulated hours for younger people if they could fit them in. Some 
older pupils in my area will work in the evenings for example.







From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 21:34:08 2005
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (chrisnlorrie)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:34:08 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dlvta3+gbuu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm02sg+mik2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, > --- In HPFGU-
OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
> > in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
> > we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
> > any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I 
> > totally missing something?  Are there no toys because the film
> > is too scary for kids?  Anybody know?

> We've been looking high and low, too.  We were in Toys R Us the 
other 
> day and I was so excited to see what was new.  Nothing.  Not to 
> mention I didn't particularly like the GoF posters they had, 
either!  
> Phooey.  
> 
> I don't know - maybe the PG-13 rating did have something to do 
with 
> it?  But then again, they had LoTR toys and they were PG-13.  
> Personally, I would love to have my own Hungarian Horntail!  I've 
> seen scale models and things like that - mostly collectors stuff, 
> though.

*coming up from deep lurkdom*

We, too, have been looking for toys, and I assumed because the 
movies get scarier that there would be less toys.  Obviously, I 
didn't think about it until we were looking for toys! ;)  And then I 
thought about PoA, and how the only real toys available were the 
action figures.  Remember for SS and CoS?  There was Hogwarts Castle 
(we have that) and the attachments (have a couple) and all the other 
little bits and bobs you could buy.  Not anymore.....not that I want 
an action figure of LV, but I'd like some new action figures to play 
with ;)

Alora 







From cquinn at mn.rr.com  Tue Nov 22 21:56:36 2005
From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:56:36 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dlvp40+o67v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm046k+tf17@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> 
wrote:
>
> Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
> in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
> we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
> any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I 
> totally missing something?  Are there no toys because the film
> is too scary for kids?  Anybody know?
> Sharon
>

2 beagles:

Check out Amazon.com.  They have a bunch of HP stuff, mainly Legos 
for Goblet of Fire.  They actually have a graveyard scene legos set. 
Funny.  
I didn't see any action figures specifically related to GoF, but I 
didn't look at everything.

2 beagles







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 00:33:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:33:59 -0500
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dlvta3+gbuu@eGroups.com>
References: <dlvp40+o67v@eGroups.com> <dlvta3+gbuu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400511221633lc40e68dqce9941dc983a01f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/05, Amy <agbg0610 at comcast.net> wrote:

> We've been looking high and low, too.  We were in Toys R Us the other
> day and I was so excited to see what was new.  Nothing.  Not to
> mention I didn't particularly like the GoF posters they had, either!

The international 'posters' are interesting.  I recently saw some
Asian Yule Ball ones...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hpguys_daily/324505.html

I like the Hermione/Viktor one.


> I don't know - maybe the PG-13 rating did have something to do with
> it?  But then again, they had LoTR toys and they were PG-13.
> Personally, I would love to have my own Hungarian Horntail!  I've
> seen scale models and things like that - mostly collectors stuff,
> though.

I spent *way* too much on LOTR stuff. {g}

Hm, the one thing I'd like for Christmas--other than an iPod and new
computer--is the Sorority Boys poster... no, make that *two* because
I'd cut up one and leave only 'Adina'--gah, two months later and I'm
still crushing over a guy in drag--though, not so much the actor. 
It's probably for the best my new 'fandom obsession' has only one
poster as memorabilia. {chuckle}  Though, I did manage to get my paws
on a SB presskit.  I'd love to find a copy of the shooting script. 
Hehe, the world needs more [anatomically correct] transvestite action
figures, w00t!

Dina



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Nov 23 01:57:10 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:57:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dm02sg+mik2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c5efd1$3785b500$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I had heard that there's a Harry doll at F.A.O.Schwarz that is supposed to
have want and Hedwig, but so far that's all I've heard of.

Good luck!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 02:54:28 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:54:28 -0500
Subject: Repeating patterns (from Harry/Draco to Clark/Lex)
Message-ID: <1a2738400511221854s5cf67e28tc83b6b7dfd187a52@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.livejournal.com/users/clexzone/2763.html

The above links to a cute Clark & Lex birthday artwork.  Lex reminds
me of a bobble head doll, so I want to tap his head.  Then I go to the
second panel and... just add glasses and a scar and you have a Harry
Potter wannabe... that's into scat.  Ew! {chuckle}  Then I look back
at the Lex drawing and the pissy expression reminds me of some Draco
art... Man, it's like I keep repeating patterns in my fandom 'shipping
preferences.

Dina



From bumbledore at comcast.net  Wed Nov 23 09:01:06 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:01:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GOF Toys
References: <dlvta3+gbuu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c5f00c$704e2350$6501a8c0@cauldron1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy" <agbg0610 at comcast.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
>> in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
>> we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
>> any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I
>> totally missing something?  Are there no toys because the film
>> is too scary for kids?  Anybody know?
>
> Sharon
>>
> ***************************************************************
>
> We've been looking high and low, too.  We were in Toys R Us the other
> day and I was so excited to see what was new.  Nothing.  Not to
> mention I didn't particularly like the GoF posters they had, either!
> Phooey.
>
> I don't know - maybe the PG-13 rating did have something to do with
> it?  But then again, they had LoTR toys and they were PG-13.
> Personally, I would love to have my own Hungarian Horntail!  I've
> seen scale models and things like that - mostly collectors stuff,
> though.
>
> Quidditchmom
>

IF this gets past the censors *who usually tell me im not replying 
correctly*  - as an avid HP collector, I have noticed that since the last 
movie, they haven't been flooding the market with Harry Potter related 
items.. In fact on ebay you can still find a lot of the original stuff for 
sale..  They over did it at the beginning and now we don't have a lot of 
choices.




From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 14:44:16 2005
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:44:16 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <000301c5efd1$3785b500$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <dm1v80+nud3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
>
> I had heard that there's a Harry doll at F.A.O.Schwarz that is 
supposed to
> have want and Hedwig, but so far that's all I've heard of.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Lee :-)

I saw that doll on the TLC site back in the summer.  It's not really a 
doll to play with.  It's like one of those collector dolls you put on a'
shelf for display only.  IIRC, the price was somewhere in the 
neighborhood of $200.  I was looking for the toys like Lego & action 
figures.
Sharon






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 14:56:21 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:56:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dm1v80+nud3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051123145621.10519.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I remember reading something somewhere, that toystores were stuck with so much unsold Potter merchandise after one of the movies (this was a long time ago...the mind is a little fuzzy) that the line had seriously been cut.  I'm guessing there won't be much in the way of toys out there.
   
  Which is a shame...I'd really like my own horntail, too. 
   
  MJ

sharon <sharon8880 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
>
> I had heard that there's a Harry doll at F.A.O.Schwarz that is 
supposed to
> have want and Hedwig, but so far that's all I've heard of.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Lee :-)

I saw that doll on the TLC site back in the summer.  It's not really a 
doll to play with.  It's like one of those collector dolls you put on a'
shelf for display only.  IIRC, the price was somewhere in the 
neighborhood of $200.  I was looking for the toys like Lego & action 
figures.
Sharon





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From tana_17_88 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 18:34:42 2005
From: tana_17_88 at yahoo.co.uk (tana_17_88)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:34:42 -0000
Subject: I'm new
Message-ID: <dm2co2+r738@eGroups.com>

I'm new and I don't knwo what you chat about but does anyone else 
think that R.A.B is not Regleaus Black and that J.K Rowling wanted 
everyone to just think that it was so that in the sixth book it's 
like a suprise when we meet this new character!

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 19:17:16 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:17:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm new
In-Reply-To: <dm2co2+r738@eGroups.com>
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Message-ID: <1a2738400511231117s75c7482asb5a131286c754eec@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/23/05, tana_17_88 <tana_17_88 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm new and I don't knwo what you chat about

If you've figured out what we chat about, we've obviously not done our
job in being both random and structured. ;-)


> but does anyone else
> think that R.A.B is not Regleaus Black and that J.K Rowling wanted
> everyone to just think that it was so that in the sixth book it's
> like a suprise when we meet this new character!

I think RAB is Regulus Black.

Speaking of Black, guh, I think I may do the early morning Black
Friday shopping. {groan}

Dina



From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 23 19:32:29 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I'm new
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400511231117s75c7482asb5a131286c754eec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051123193229.23274.qmail@web34410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On 11/23/05, bunniqula at gmail.com wrote:
   
  Speaking of Black, guh, I think I may do the early morning Black
Friday shopping. {groan}
   
  You're more brave than me. I've actually got all my shopping done already (minus some various grab bag gifts). I do all my shopping on line. I'm a big fan of amazon. That way, I don't have to deal with retail at Christmas unless I run out of tape.
  

Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
  On 11/23/05, tana_17_88 <tana_17_88 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm new and I don't knwo what you chat about

If you've figured out what we chat about, we've obviously not done our
job in being both random and structured. ;-)


> but does anyone else
> think that R.A.B is not Regleaus Black and that J.K Rowling wanted
> everyone to just think that it was so that in the sixth book it's
> like a suprise when we meet this new character!

I think RAB is Regulus Black.

Speaking of Black, guh, I think I may do the early morning Black
Friday shopping. {groan}

Dina


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 23 21:43:27 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:43:27 -0800
Subject: Harry Potter monopoly
In-Reply-To: <dlsen9+3t3u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00df01c5f076$f125a330$0400a8c0@pensive>

Hi,

There are a lot of accessible computer games now for blind people.  One of
them is a monopoly game for the computer.  It is a free game, so let me
clarify that nobody is making any money from it.  It's possible to create
personalized game boards.  So far, there are a couple different versions of
Harry Potter boards, but I don't really like any of them.  so for my own
game on my computer, I'm trying to devise my own.  for example, for one of
the railroad properties, I of course came up with the Hogwarts Express.  I
was thinking of the floo network as one of the utilities or another
"railroad" property.  But I'm finding it hard to come up with enough
properties and to come up with really cool ones.  So, I need 28 basic
properties, ranging in value, four properties with some sort of common theme
that can substitute for the railroads, and two to be the "utilities".  Any
suggestions?  

Again, let me assure you that this is a free game, neither I nor the game's
creator gets any financial anything for it.  I'm not trying to steal any
copyrighted materials.  Shudder.  

Sherry




From phil at pcsgames.net  Wed Nov 23 22:37:01 2005
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:37:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter monopoly
References: <00df01c5f076$f125a330$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <017301c5f07e$7ca3eaf0$6600a8c0@phil>

Hi Sherry,
For enchanted transportation,
Hogwarts Express
Knight Bus
flying Ford Anglia
Hippogriff
Thestrals
vanishing cabinet
Portkey
floo network
Apparation
Durmstrang ship
gigantic, flying horse-drawn carriage

Utilities and ways of enchanted communication,
floo network
Wizard's Wireless
Owl post
Patronus Charm
two-way mirror,
card-carrying dwarfs

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter monopoly


> Hi,
>
> There are a lot of accessible computer games now for blind people.  One of
> them is a monopoly game for the computer.  It is a free game, so let me
> clarify that nobody is making any money from it.  It's possible to create
> personalized game boards.  So far, there are a couple different versions
of
> Harry Potter boards, but I don't really like any of them.  so for my own
> game on my computer, I'm trying to devise my own.  for example, for one of
> the railroad properties, I of course came up with the Hogwarts Express.  I
> was thinking of the floo network as one of the utilities or another
> "railroad" property.  But I'm finding it hard to come up with enough
> properties and to come up with really cool ones.  So, I need 28 basic
> properties, ranging in value, four properties with some sort of common
theme
> that can substitute for the railroads, and two to be the "utilities".  Any
> suggestions?
>
> Again, let me assure you that this is a free game, neither I nor the
game's
> creator gets any financial anything for it.  I'm not trying to steal any
> copyrighted materials.  Shudder.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 23 22:41:26 2005
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:41:26 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter monopoly
In-Reply-To: <017301c5f07e$7ca3eaf0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <00e401c5f07f$0b258bd0$0400a8c0@pensive>

Oh those are great, great ideas!  i can see that as when I was creating a
san Francisco board, I'll get more suggestions than I can use.  But that's
what I want!

Sherry


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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:37 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter monopoly


Hi Sherry,
For enchanted transportation,
Hogwarts Express
Knight Bus
flying Ford Anglia
Hippogriff
Thestrals
vanishing cabinet
Portkey
floo network
Apparation
Durmstrang ship
gigantic, flying horse-drawn carriage

Utilities and ways of enchanted communication,
floo network
Wizard's Wireless
Owl post
Patronus Charm
two-way mirror,
card-carrying dwarfs

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter monopoly


> Hi,
>
> There are a lot of accessible computer games now for blind people.  One of
> them is a monopoly game for the computer.  It is a free game, so let me
> clarify that nobody is making any money from it.  It's possible to create
> personalized game boards.  So far, there are a couple different versions
of
> Harry Potter boards, but I don't really like any of them.  so for my own
> game on my computer, I'm trying to devise my own.  for example, for one of
> the railroad properties, I of course came up with the Hogwarts Express.  I
> was thinking of the floo network as one of the utilities or another
> "railroad" property.  But I'm finding it hard to come up with enough
> properties and to come up with really cool ones.  So, I need 28 basic
> properties, ranging in value, four properties with some sort of common
theme
> that can substitute for the railroads, and two to be the "utilities".  Any
> suggestions?
>
> Again, let me assure you that this is a free game, neither I nor the
game's
> creator gets any financial anything for it.  I'm not trying to steal any
> copyrighted materials.  Shudder.
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 24 05:47:42 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:47:42 -0000
Subject: GOF Toys
In-Reply-To: <dlvp40+o67v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm3k5u+sq2j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at y...> 
wrote:
>
> Now that we have Harry back for the holidays, I happened to be
> in Toys R Us with my son last week.  I suggested to him that
> we look for the new HP toys from the GOF movie.  I didn't see
> any. I know the video game is out there, but is that all? Am I 
> totally missing something?  

Tonks here:

Mattel is the licensee for the action figures and they are not doing 
any this year. There are legos of the the Drumstrang Ship, etc. There 
are costumes for kids of the Tri-wizarding task. There are buttons of 
Death Eaters and pictures of Harry, etc. from GOF. There are coloring 
books,and some other items. But no action figures. I like those too. I 
have a very extensive Harry Potter collection.

Tonks_op






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Nov 24 13:09:40 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:09:40 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter monopoly
In-Reply-To: <00df01c5f076$f125a330$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <dm4e2k+96fv@eGroups.com>

Sherry Gomes wrote:

> So, I need 28 basic
> properties, ranging in value, four properties with some sort of 
common theme
> that can substitute for the railroads, and two to be 
the "utilities".  Any
> suggestions?  

Ack! When visiting my son's prospective college a couple of years 
ago, the art department had a lovingly made part of a Monopoly board 
based on HP.  Everything was themed - not just the properties, but 
the tax, chance, community chest, the 'Go' square, tokens, houses, 
money.  It was clearly made by a fan - you can always tell.  I 
remember thinking that I know people who would probably kill for 
it.  But I don't remember any of the details (and will refuse to 
divulge the location of the college to any hit-men that are sent 
round to me).

I think 28 properties is tricky.  Instead of streets (of which we 
have about 4: Diagon, Knockturn, Grimmauld, and the main street in 
Hogsmeade), maybe individual properties?

Zonkos
Madam Malkin
Florean Fortescue
Ollivanders
Weasley's Wizard Wheeses (either the ?60 or the ?400 one, I feel ;) )
Flourish & Blotts
Dervish and Banges
Borgin and Burkes
and other shops plus
Godric's Hollow (I know it's really a village but...)
The Burrow
Riddle House (or Marvolo's hut)
Malfoy Manor

Not sure what replaces houses and hotels, though - magical room 
extensions?

Utilities:
Hogwarts
St Mungo's

Jail: Azkaban (of course)

Railway stations - use Quidditch teams or possibly pubs (3 
Broomsticks, Hog's Head, Leaky Cauldron + one other eg from story of 
Stubby Boardman or the guy in FBAWTFT with the lethifold).  If you 
go with teams the pubs are available for general properties.

Go to jail: Wizengamot room

Free Parking: Dumbledore's study (tempting to theme the whole board 
round rooms at Hogwarts and use house points for money...)

Go square - Kings Cross, providing a link to the regular (British) 
Monopoly board.

Not sure about the taxes, chance, community chest.  Horcruxes for 
tokens ;) - or Harry's heirlooms - cloak, map, scar(?), patronus 
form, Buckbeak, mirror.

David






From solar41x at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 16:33:30 2005
From: solar41x at yahoo.co.uk (JAN X)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:33:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Shopping at Amazon (was Re: I'm new)
In-Reply-To: <1132842362.396.44831.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051124163330.39187.qmail@web86806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dina:
> I think RAB is Regulus Black.
>
> Speaking of Black, guh, I think I may do the early morning 
> Black Friday shopping. {groan}

Anne Marie Flynn: 
>> You're more brave than me. I've actually got all my shopping 
>> done already (minus some various grab bag gifts). I do all my 
>> shopping on line. I'm a big fan of amazon. That way, I don't 
>> have to deal with retail at Christmas unless I run out of tape.


My Christmas motto:
   
  If you can't get it on Amazon, you can't have it.

JAN X





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 07:25:17 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:25:17 -0000
Subject: Catholic Bishops' Conference Says Harry's OK
Message-ID: <dm6e8t+emtp@eGroups.com>

That's right the Catholic Initiative for Enlightened Movie
Appreciation a branch of the Catholic Bishops's Conference of the
Philipines has endorsed the latest Harry Potter movie.

Excerpts:

"In a surprising move, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the
Philippines (CBCP) sang the praises of the latest installment in the
seven-part "Harry Potter" series, despite its depiction of witchcraft
and wizardry, which are against the doctrines of the Church.

"The Catholic Initiative for Enlightened Movie Appreciation (Cinema),
an arm of the CBCP Office on Women, has recommended the movie "Harry
Potter and the Goblet of Fire" for general viewing by the entire
family after giving it an "acceptable to wholesome" moral assessment
rating and an "above average" technical evaluation.

"Complementing the extensive fantasy adventures and magical sceneries
are the intensive insights on friendship, courage, and selflessness,"
Cinema said in its review of the film, which earlier drew criticism
from the Catholic Church because of the practice of witchcraft and
magic depicted in the series."

See full quote at-

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/news200511246601.htm

Just passing it along.

Steve.bboyminn







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Nov 25 13:42:46 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:42:46 -0000
Subject: Catholic Bishops' Conference Says Harry's OK
In-Reply-To: <dm6e8t+emtp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm74cm+vei6@eGroups.com>

Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>
> That's right the Catholic Initiative for Enlightened Movie
> Appreciation a branch of the Catholic Bishops's Conference of the
> Philipines has endorsed the latest Harry Potter movie.

But what are we to make of this?

'The Cinema board members said they also found endearing the "tender 
but firm" manner of teaching at the characters' school of magic, 
Hogwarts, where the story is set: "We appreciate teachers who share 
their lives with their apprentices and mold more compassionate 
persons." '

Severus Snape must be spinning Dumbledore's body in its monolith.

David






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 15:06:28 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:06:28 -0800
Subject: Having one of those 'is it just me' moments
Message-ID: <1a2738400511250706k35882cb5u530c00384391c2b5@mail.gmail.com>

I've been trying to work on a video file (authorized and legal for a
change ;-) ) and I'm getting this nagging suspicion the uploaded files
by another person are incomplete and no one is confirming the files
are complete, even though I've asked.  So, I start wondering 'is it
just me?' {g}  Those with freebie web hosting are familiar with their
server frequently limiting the amount of data uploaded in a session. 
Heck, some paid ones do that as well for 'protection'.

What makes my eyebrow quirk up further is how the file sizes keep
changing and shrinking (upload dates change, of course)... which isn't
good because these files should be huge since I was told the run time
should be an hour at high quality fullscreen (720x480).  For example,
a downloaded copy of Goblet of Fire, hypothetically speaking ;-), at
60-65% and a resolution of 640x272 compressed with a good codec takes
the file down to ~1.16gigs.

Just the other day I read a comment by another gal where she said
'vidding is an expensive hobby' and it really is because you need
massive hard drive space, for starters, if you're doing digital
editing.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 16:41:08 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:08 -0000
Subject: Finally scene it! (review that got rather long - sorry)
Message-ID: <dm7er4+o6e8@eGroups.com>

We walked to the the Odeon (the cinema formerly known as the UCI)in 
the bitter cold of a Preston November evening wrapped in scarves, 
hats and (very Lucius like) black leather gloves.  I had to book 
tickets and we took our seats early (to avoid front row or sitting 
separately).  I was flanked by my burly husband and even burlier son 
who both told me if I started saying anything about things not being 
like the book they would leave.  Most of the patrons appeared to be 
teenage girls (which my son enjoyed immensely) but I found rather 
annoying as they giggled a lot (particularly the prefect's bathroom 
scene - funnily).  After 23 TV adverts (hubby counted them) and a 
couple of trailers the film started.  I've got to the stage now where 
just the reflective WB symbol sends shivers down my spine (sad, I 
know, but at least I didn't count the ads!).
I was disappointed that there were no opening titles as such (does 
that make me weird?) and I kept thinking "now they'll do it", but it 
was never to be.
The film raced along at a million miles an hour jumping from scene to 
scene but it wasn't difficult to follow (could that be because I'd 
seen all the previews and read synopsi to death?).  It wasn't as 
complicated as the book (which is good, because before I was a true 
FAN it took me 2 or 3 reads to actually figure out who all the 
characters were - terribly confusing to a novice to have a character 
called Moody right after a book with a character called Moony, and 
Ludo Bagman - what WAS the point in him?) So the film was actually a 
lot easier to follow than it might have been had it stayed true to 
the book.
I thought the changes that were made were well done and didn't alter 
the crux of the tale - I just could have done with a bit more 
lingering on things; literally if you blinked you missed something.  
There was such a massive chunk of great British acting talent in the 
film that barely had a page of script each and that was a little 
sad.  Personally I could have done with more Gary Oldman (preferably 
in the flesh too) and David Tennant (but more of him on Christmas Day 
in Dr Who).
Michael Gambon has grown on me a bit - I said I would reserve 
judgement until I'd seen this film and I think I quite like him 
really.  Forget about the fact he hasn't read the books (if every 
actor read every single book they'd never act).  I think he has 
portrayed Dumbledore as more tactile (some might say violent) because 
of his fear for Harry.  He's behaving like a parent shouting at a 
child who's done something stupid and potentially dangerous, and then 
his fear and worry come across a bit later.
Neville was superb, although the bit about his parents was a blink 
and miss it bit, and I think Moody should have stolen the gillyweed 
and given it to him rather than the unlikely event of Neville 
stealing from Snape.
The acting has vastly improved.  The trio are so much better now; 
Emma just needs to stop shouting.  Even the twins are good (never 
previously very impressed) but they were given much bigger parts this 
time and it paid off.
Voldemort wasn't as scary as I thought he'd be, but the graveyard 
scene was edge of seat stuff.  But even for those not in the know, 
the luscious Lucius in a Death Eater mask was hardly a big surprise 
(but well worth the wait!) Forgetting about the slitty nose I 
actually found Voldy quite sexy (in a naked well-defined man kind of 
way)  Is that terribly wrong?
The star of the show for me was Ronald Weasley.  I like Rupert Grint 
more and more; he IS Ron.  He had the best lines, the best 
expressions and the funniest outfit ever.
So after a whirlwind 2 and a half hours it was all over (and I hadn't 
had time to think about my bladder once).  There isn't a scene that I 
want to replay in my head because there were so many (will be 
interesting to see just how many when the DVD comes out in April) and 
they were all so quick.  
It was spectacular, it was dark and it was mildly perilous and I 
liked it.  Here endith the review.  Roll on OotP.
Sarah xx






From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 19:30:24 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:30:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Finally got to see the movie - Spoilers Warning (Review a little long)
In-Reply-To: <dm7er4+o6e8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051125193025.91006.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  I just got the chance to see the movie last night. I'm still rather conflicted on how I feel about the movie and whether or not I liked it. I watched it with my sisters and husband, one of whom reads the books and is also a fan, and the other who has only seen the movies (and only 2 out of the previous 3). The sister who hasn't read the books had a very hard time following along. Myself and my other sister didn't. My husband bailed half-way through (But, he's only seen PoA anyway.)     
  I wasn't surprised that all the elf stuff came out. They had to make cuts somewhere, and I don't think that storyline really took off after GoF anyway. I don't think that it was an appropriate choice though to have the audience make the assumption that Neville of all people would steal from Snape who terrifies him. But I'm wondering if that scene with Neville and Harry by the lake wasn't meant to help the audience make the assumption that Neville got the gillyweed from there?
   
  I was disappointed that all Fred and George's joke stuff came out, as well as the fact that there was prize money involved in winning the cup. How does that set up Fred and George's departure in OotP? One line that the winner gets 10,000 G's would have taken care of that. I would be very saddened if their departure from Hogwarts were deleted in OotP. I can't wait to see their swamp.
   
  I was also disappointed to see that Sirius was 99% gone from this one, as well. They took out the end scene when Dumbledore begins to mobilize the OotP. That scene sets up the whole next book. Again, I can understand they needed to make cuts, but in my opinion, not at the expense of this scene.
   
  I also don't think Dumbledore adequately explained to Harry what happened with his and Voldemort's wands. He just sort of glassed over it. I also missed Percy's character. He had a big role in this book and a big role in the next one. I'm thinking we won't see him there either. I think Marisa Richardson was fantastic as Rita Skeeter and I wish we saw more of her, but that story also got the ax. It'll be interesting to see how they reconcile that in the next one, but maybe they'll take out the whole bit with everyone thinking Harry is crazy and shunning him (which I think would be a bad decision on their part).
   
  Overall, I think I liked it. I'm sure I'll watch it again and again like the other ones. I think the graveyard was too quick, and I didn't really like the way to they did the ghosts coming out of Voldemort's wand, especially since unless you read the book, you had absolutely no idea who Harry's parents were or what was going on there. 
   
  I could go on, but I think I have long enough.
  





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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 19:57:31 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:57:31 -0500
Subject: Black Friday shopping - didn't do so good
Message-ID: <1a2738400511251157u347e50c9i69cf40dcf5e81ee9@mail.gmail.com>

I went to various stores and bought... toilet bowl cleaner (The Works
@ $0.94 - good deal and it really works) and garbage bags. :-\

Mainly, I went looking for ideas and didn't get any good ones. :-( 
So, then I start looking at other folk's shopping lists.

I've tried DuWop's Lip Venon that HPFemme recommended and didn't
notice much difference for a $16 lip gloss.  It tingles as a
*supposed* lip plumper and I've seen some reviews where gals found it
uncomfortable but I didn't notice a difference in... 'plumpness'.
{chuckle}

Though, on the plus side, I didn't get a shopping cart 'parked up my
arse'.  Y'all know what I'm talking about when someone behind you rams
a cart/trolley into your backside, and last I checked, I don't have a
J-Lo butt.

Dina



From kelleyaynn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 19:44:23 2005
From: kelleyaynn at yahoo.com (kelleyaynn)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:44:23 -0000
Subject: Finally got to see the movie - Spoilers Warning (Review a little long)
In-Reply-To: <20051125193025.91006.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dm7pin+1eag@eGroups.com>

Finally saw it myself after Thanksgiving dinner yesterday. I agree 
that I am conflicted as well. I think what was in the movie was well 
done, but the book is so long parts had to be taken out, so the movie 
was like a series of disjoined scenes. I'm not sure any screenplay 
could do justice to the books anymore. There is just too much in them 
that is important. It makes it impossible to get everything in.









From kelleyaynn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 19:50:01 2005
From: kelleyaynn at yahoo.com (kelleyaynn)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:50:01 -0000
Subject: Bloody swear word?
Message-ID: <dm7pt9+m7p7@eGroups.com>

I've been reading some fanfics, and it appears that the word "bloody" 
is actually a swear word in British English. ??????  As an American, I 
have no clue. It sounds like a fairly innocuous word. Along the lines 
of "blasted fool" and "bloody fool" meaning essentially the same 
thing. It seems odd that a word could be completely innocent in one 
context ("bloody bandages" or "a bloody cut") yet offensive in another 
("bloody git"). 

Can anyone clarify this for me?








From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Nov 26 02:41:52 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:41:52 -0000
Subject: Bloody swear word?
In-Reply-To: <dm7pt9+m7p7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm8i1g+jtik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kelleyaynn" <kelleyaynn at y...> 
wrote:
>
> I've been reading some fanfics, and it appears that the word "bloody" 
> is actually a swear word in British English. ??????  As an American, 
I 
> have no clue. It sounds like a fairly innocuous word. Along the lines 
> of "blasted fool" and "bloody fool" meaning essentially the same 
> thing. It seems odd that a word could be completely innocent in one 
> context ("bloody bandages" or "a bloody cut") yet offensive in 
another 
> ("bloody git"). 
> 
> Can anyone clarify this for me?
 
According to most scholars, it's a corruption of "By Our Lady," which 
was considered a profane appeal to the Virgin Mary. Here's a link from 
Wikipedia that gives some more background:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody

Another site I checked stated that Americans should avoid using the word
when traveling in Britain, since it makes them sound ridiculous.

   - CMC






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 08:15:41 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:15:41 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
Message-ID: <dm95jd+41cf@eGroups.com>

I'm not sure where I read about this controversy, but there seems to
be some 'believability' conflict with Neville giving Harry the
Gillyweed instead of Dobby in the most recent GoF movie. Chiefly that
conflict hinges around the very great unlikelihood of Neville having
the courage to steal from Snape's private stores.

The problem actually stems from book readers making assumptions about
the movie. Since Dobby stole the Gillyweed, we naturally assume
Neville did the same, but the actual movie doesn't support that.

Snape confronts Harry about stealing from his private stores AFTER
Harry has already used the Gillyweed in the second task. In that
scene, Snape says something to the effect, 'Gillyweed is
[unintelligable], but Broomslang and lacewing are...etc...polyjuice'.
While I couldn't make out exactly what Gillyweed is, it seems that it
is inconsequential or irrelevant since Snape's focus is on the
production of Polyjuice. 

Which I took to mean that Neville either gathered the Gillyweed from
some other source like Prof. Sprout, or it came from the students
communal potions stores. Gillyweed, from the perspective of the books,
seems unlikely to be in the students communal stores, but this is the
movie and they need quick and easy explanations. So, Snape seems to
imply that he is unconcerned about the Gillyweed.

I just saw the movie for the third time, and I watched and listened
very carefully for exactly how the movie dealt with the issue of the
Gillyweed. No where does it imply that Neville stole the weed from
Snape. My sense is that the movie makers anticipated this conflict,
and used Snape's speech as a quick and easy way to gloss over it.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn








From luke_ass1986 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 03:36:44 2005
From: luke_ass1986 at yahoo.com (luke_ass1986)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 03:36:44 -0000
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Wondering_how=B4s_Rab_as_everyone:?=
Message-ID: <dm8l8c+b5uh@eGroups.com>

Hi these is Lucas (from Argentina)?have just joines the group and 
these is what i want to share with you:
As we might all be doing now I?m wondering how?s ab and tough i 
would really like to think the tha?s REGULUS (Sirius? brother) there 
are things to bare in mind while trying to guess how he is:
We certenly know that Rab new what he was going to find in the cave: 
otherwise he wouldn?t have been able to make more of green potion 
(and the antidote too). He also knew which of the Horcrux?s was to 
be found in the cave since he has a similar substitute for the 
Slytherin?s thing, so he might also have known where the other hrx?s 
where.
Besides trying to find the full name t rab i wonder where and how is 
harry going to (first) figure out how to find them, and (second) how 
is he going o match Lord Voldemort on his own,
I guess that more nasty deaths are to come, and the following are 
going to hurts as, even more than Dd?s death, (otherwise Harry wont 
be able to cat the Avada Kedavra - please remember that justified 
anger was not really enough to perform the cruciatus course at the 
end of the fifth book so we can guess the killing course would be 
somethng really hard to perform to Harry - since he?s really ABLE TO 
LOVE which Voldemort (and his DeathEaters are not)
We might think Harry will have to kill Voldemort, otherwise than 
using the killing course, if we are to belive that the book will end 
properlly and Harry will be able to finally manage to do Voldemort.
I really woder if Regulus was indeed as close to Voldemort as to 
know all about all the detaills (which by the way Dumbledore took 15 
years to figure out) in order to replace the velvet.
Anyway if have read the rummors about a similar elvet been foun in 
12 Grimuald place (for further info read OtPh chapter six - The 
noble and...).










From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 14:45:57 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:45:57 -0000
Subject: Bloody swear word?
In-Reply-To: <dm7pt9+m7p7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dm9sf5+jvhk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kelleyaynn" <kelleyaynn at y...> 
wrote:
>
> I've been reading some fanfics, and it appears that the word "bloody" 
> is actually a swear word in British English. ??????  As an American, 
I 
> have no clue. It sounds like a fairly innocuous word. Along the lines 
> of "blasted fool" and "bloody fool" meaning essentially the same 
> thing. It seems odd that a word could be completely innocent in one 
> context ("bloody bandages" or "a bloody cut") yet offensive in 
another 
> ("bloody git"). 
> 
> Can anyone clarify this for me?

Oh yes, Bloody is not a word that your parents were happy for you to 
repeat - hence the reason that Britsh children giggle a lot when they 
come across a 'Bloody Mary' or a bloody battle.  So Ron saying it is 
pretty risque really for a children's book. (Although the added 
obscenity of him telling Harry to p**s off in the film was far more 
shocking)  Does sarcasm come off well on e-mail?  I think not.
 Sarah xx







From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 14:55:28 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 06:55:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Bloody swear word?
In-Reply-To: <dm9sf5+jvhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051126145528.67700.qmail@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



"Sarah Leigh ..." <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:    (Although the added obscenity of him telling Harry to p**s off in the film was far more shocking)  
  I was most shocked by that added obscenity in the film.   






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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 18:38:07 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:38:07 -0000
Subject: Update: Re: Dan Radcliffe's Pay as an Actor
In-Reply-To: <dlj5cr+dptp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dmaa2f+a94d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>
> In one of the BBC discussion groups, someone posted speculating that
> Dan Radcliffe has earned ?6,000,000 so far for his role of Harry
> Potter. ...
> 
> For reference-
> 
> ?6,000,000 = US$10,315,265
> 
> I would say that that is probably pretty LOW pay...

bboyminn:

Here is an update from BBC-America -

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/anglophenia.jsp

"At 16, actor Daniel Radcliffe is worth an estimated ?23million ($39.4
million USD), according to the Daily Mail. He is Britain's richest
teenager, knocking Charlotte Church soundly off the top of the list.
So, for those keeping track..."

While ?6,000,000 (US$10,315,265) sounds a little low, ?23million
($39.4 million USD) sounds a little too high. 

Keep in mind that this information comes from 'The Daily Mail' 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=369246&in_page_id=1773&in_a_source=

which I don't think is the most reliable source.

Daily Mail -

"Sixteen-year-old Radcliffe has overtaken Charlotte Church in the
wealth stakes after signing a contract worth ?8million [
US$13,721,518] to make the fifth Harry Potter film."

The above refers to OotP; apparently Dan received ?5 million (US$8.5
million) for GoF.

Keep in mind that my purpose in posting this is just general
information. I think it is wonderful that Dan and the other kids are
getting paid a fair amount for their work; that really is my biggest
concern. The latest movie (GoF) looks slated to gross over $200
million in the first two weekends. That should easily put it on it's
way to being one of the top grossing movies of all time. 

Personally, I hope they all have long rewarding careers, and maintain
their down-to-earth level-headed attitudes. I think living in England
instead of Hollywood has been a big factor in their being able to have
a normal life and not become spoiled by fame.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Nov 26 18:57:58 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:57:58 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <dm95jd+41cf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dmab7m+r0pj@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> Which I took to mean that Neville either gathered the Gillyweed from
> some other source like Prof. Sprout, or it came from the students
> communal potions stores. Gillyweed, from the perspective of the 
books,
> seems unlikely to be in the students communal stores, but this is the
> movie and they need quick and easy explanations. So, Snape seems to
> imply that he is unconcerned about the Gillyweed.

I kind of assumed Moody stole it and gave it to Neville.  Does 
repeated viewing uncover information to contradict that explanation?  
I have only seen it once and don't expect to again until it comes out 
on DVD.

David






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 20:07:28 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:07:28 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <dmab7m+r0pj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dmafa0+ophs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> 
> > Which I took to mean that Neville either gathered the Gillyweed
> > from some other source like Prof. Sprout, or it came from the 
> > students communal potions stores. ...

> David:
> 
> I kind of assumed Moody stole it and gave it to Neville.  Does 
> repeated viewing uncover information to contradict that explanation?  
> I have only seen it once and don't expect to again until it comes 
> out  on DVD.
> 
> David
>

bboyminn:

I don't think there is anything in the movie to contradict your
interpretation, but I also don't think there is anything in the movie
to confirm it. So, it's as good an interpretation as any.

My main point was to dispell the assumption that Neville stole the
Gillyweed from Snape, which many people had trouble believing.

Steve/bboyminn







From annemflynn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 21:06:52 2005
From: annemflynn at yahoo.com (Anne Marie Flynn)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <dmafa0+ophs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051126210652.571.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:    --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> 
> > Which I took to mean that Neville either gathered the Gillyweed
> > from some other source like Prof. Sprout, or it came from the 
> > students communal potions stores. ...

> David:
> 
> I kind of assumed Moody stole it and gave it to Neville.  Does 
> repeated viewing uncover information to contradict that explanation?  
> I have only seen it once and don't expect to again until it comes 
> out  on DVD.
> 
> David
>

bboyminn:

I don't think there is anything in the movie to contradict your
interpretation, but I also don't think there is anything in the movie
to confirm it. So, it's as good an interpretation as any.

My main point was to dispell the assumption that Neville stole the
Gillyweed from Snape, which many people had trouble believing.

Steve/bboyminn

  Anne Marie:
  I got the impression that the perhaps got it from the lake itself. There was that scene with Harry and Neville down by the lake when Ron and Hermione came down. When the scene came when Neville gave Harry the Gillyweed, that's where I thought he got it from. I couldn't make the assumption that Neville of all people would be bold enought to steal from Snape.  





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From marty.larson at verizon.net  Sat Nov 26 21:28:45 2005
From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty Larson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:28:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
References: <dm95jd+41cf@eGroups.com>
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I thought in the movie, at the end when Mad Eye Moody/Barty Crouch Jr. confronts Harry about putting his name in the goblet etc. he said something about getting the gillyweed for Neville, after he mentions something about the magical underwater plants book.
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From swartell at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 23:07:44 2005
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:07:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <dmafa0+ophs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051126230744.53919.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com>

This was my assumption, too, though I don't recall any evidence to support it.
  
  Sue

  
  > David:
  > 
  > I kind of assumed Moody stole it and gave it to Neville. 
  


		
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From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Sun Nov 27 04:07:45 2005
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 04:07:45 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie: Neville and the Gillyweed
In-Reply-To: <20051126210652.571.qmail@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dmbbeh+sv64@eGroups.com>

-
>
>snip David and Steve's previous comments 
> 
>
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I don't think there is anything in the movie to contradict your
> interpretation, but I also don't think there is anything in the movie
> to confirm it. So, it's as good an interpretation as any.
> 
> My main point was to dispell the assumption that Neville stole the
> Gillyweed from Snape, which many people had trouble believing.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
>   Anne Marie:
>   I got the impression that the perhaps got it from the lake itself.
There was that scene with Harry and Neville down by the lake when Ron
and Hermione came down. When the scene came when Neville gave Harry
the Gillyweed, that's where I thought he got it from. I couldn't make
the assumption that Neville of all people would be bold enought to
steal from Snape.  
> 
> 

  I got that impression too, because in that particular scene Neville
says something about the book Moody gave him and the title was Magical
Water Plants of the LOCHS, not the Mediterranean as the original title
is. One can make many assumptions about this.

Gabriela






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Nov 27 06:41:49 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:41:49 -0000
Subject: TIME's Natural Disaster of the Year / movie poster / Ludo Bagman
Message-ID: <dmbkfd+a0uo@eGroups.com>

Dave Frankis wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29198 :

<< Why Mother Nature at all, but then why not Lord Voldemort
or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? >>

Because it is generally agreed that Mother Nature caused Hurricanes
Katrina and Rita, and that Lord Voldemort and the Flying Spaghetti
Monster didn't.

Dina wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29226 :

<< The international 'posters' are interesting. I recently saw some
Asian Yule Ball ones...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/hpguys_daily/324505.html
I like the Hermione/Viktor one. >>

Hermione's gown in the poster is a lovely lavender/purple. My
recollection is that in the book it was blue, so when she turned up 
in pink in the movie, I whined at Tim that the costume designer likes
pink too much. Similarly, my recollection is in the book Parvati wore
fuschia pink and Padma wore the same gown in turquoise blue, and the
movie had both Patils in pink.

Sarah wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29244 :

<< Ludo Bagman - what WAS the point in him? >>

You mean, besides demonstrating the corrupt values and poor judgment
of the wizarding folk by the Wizengamot letting him off just because
of being a star athlete? He was a red herring, acting in a manner to
excite suspicion, which turned out to be because of his gambling
debts. The first time I read GoF, when we got LV's statement about 3
missing Death Eaters, one who has left us forever, one who is a
coward, and one who is a faithful servant at Hogwarts, when I tried to
think who was the faithful servant, I feared it was Snape, I feared it
was Karkaroff, I feared it was Bagman...






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 27 07:02:09 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Nov 2005 07:02:09 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1133074929.19.92583.m25@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
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7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
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Hope to see you there! 

 





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 08:02:31 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:02:31 -0800
Subject: Lex Luthor maxing on insurance songvid
Message-ID: <1a2738400511270002r633d323s85f7b4547d7044d5@mail.gmail.com>

I've been working on this Smallville songvid off and on for awhile.  I
patched together a draft for the second half (I'll go back to the
first half after)... and I started cracking up.

http://archive.nu/bunniqula/vids/svclxbme112605.rm  (4.8megs)

I'm like 'dude, I hope Lex Luthor has some good insurance'. {chuckle} 
I haven't even really delved into season four clips or any of season
five; but man, it must've been between the multiple times I kept
seeing Lex drive off the bridge and hit Clark and I'm snickering. 
Sure, Clark has saved Lex numerous times but there's also the medical
bills and demolishing/damaging some expensive cars.

Though, my HBO Oz days were more *classic*.  Such as scenes where an
inmate's throat is slashed with a razor and I'm thinking 'no small wad
of tissue for that razor 'nick'. {g}

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 27 18:02:12 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 27 Nov 2005 18:02:12 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1133114532.16.33557.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, November 27, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From rgmcf at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 18:47:13 2005
From: rgmcf at yahoo.com (Rod McFadden)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:47:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JKR Future projects
In-Reply-To: <1133095255.375.25775.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051127184713.84071.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Apologies in advance, I think...
  I'm sure, somewhere, someone's asked JKR about post-Potter projects.  Does anyone know if and where I might find the reply?
  
  Not that I'm anxious for Potter to end, but I'm betting the mind that  produced HP will have another 'cracking good read' or two to write.
  Rod
  
		
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 19:12:54 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:12:54 -0000
Subject: TIME's Natural Disaster of the Year / movie poster / Ludo Bagman
In-Reply-To: <dmbkfd+a0uo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dmd0fm+mr4g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:

> Sarah wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29244 :
> 
> << Ludo Bagman - what WAS the point in him? >>
> 
> You mean, besides demonstrating the corrupt values and poor judgment
> of the wizarding folk by the Wizengamot letting him off just because
> of being a star athlete? He was a red herring, acting in a manner to
> excite suspicion, which turned out to be because of his gambling
> debts. The first time I read GoF, when we got LV's statement about 3
> missing Death Eaters, one who has left us forever, one who is a
> coward, and one who is a faithful servant at Hogwarts, when I tried 
to
> think who was the faithful servant, I feared it was Snape, I feared 
it
> was Karkaroff, I feared it was Bagman...

Me again;
Yes, I know what you're saying but when I read Goblet the first time 
I got incredibly confused.  Now of course I know it inside out and 
have no difficulty explaining who is who and the role they play in 
the plot.  My point was (and maybe I didn't make it too well) that 
Goblet is a very confusing tale for someone not 'into' Harry Potter 
and the film has simplified it by excluding the likes of Bagman, 
Winky, Bertha and SPEW.  I have to add that I think the filmmakers 
made sensible decisions ...
> will duck now to avoid flak <
I don't like the fact that they glossed over Snape's Death Eater past 
though - how will they resolve that?
Sarah xx







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 06:11:18 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:11:18 -0800
Subject: HS yearbooks & Hollywood's Greatest Villians (12/1 - US Cable)
Message-ID: <1a2738400511282211t592e7015sd7600bb811d5df78@mail.gmail.com>

Kathy pulled this info from a TV Guide:
[[
TV guide has listed that on next Thursday 12-1-05 on the History Channel 8 p.m.
Hollywood's Greatest Villians
toasts Tinseltown's top trouble makers, including Darth Vader, Norman
Bates and everyone's favorite gourmand, Hannibal Lecter, for scaring
us into caring about their tortured souls, In the TV villainy
spotlight, there's Lex Luthor-one of pop culture's most enduring
evildoers- shaking it up in SMALLVILLE (WB, 8pm/ET), where Michael
Rosenabum's ever-darkening portrayal has turned Supe's iconic comic
book foe into one of TV's most colorful characters. Guess the good
guys really do finish last.

There is a pic of Darth Vader and Michael. Under Darth Vader's pic it says:
Tall, Darth,
and under Michael's
...and handsome
]]

Hehe.  And on that note, Michael Rosenbaum's high school senior yearbook pic:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6455333914

Underneath that skinny geeky exterior is an uber-villain. {chuckle}

I'm almost glad I opted not to have my yearbook picture taken.  I
wasn't a fan of the 'must wear open neck black blouse and pearl
necklace'--though, to be fair, the guys had to wear identical tuxes.

Bit of nostalgia made me dig up my senior yearbook and it reminded me
of how one gal had her hair dyed green (Green Day concert) at one
point, then black, then back to blonde by the time the picture was
taken.  While another gal was one of those 'goth' styles but they
must've asked her to take out her facial piercings and tone the
make-up down.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 15:48:14 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: Hellfire and damnation from Pat Robertson RE: Science
Message-ID: <1a2738400511290748q3a58fb6dkf41d1945bb0ce7fe@mail.gmail.com>

Heh, the dude has such 'classic' moments.

Charlene shared this link:
[[
From: http://ideas.4brad.com/node/303

Washington, DC: The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)
issued a stern warning today to televangelist Pat Robertson. Robertson had
recently condemned the citizens of Dover, PA to the wrath of God for not
voting in a school board that would teach Intelligent Design in classes.

"We'd like to say to the good Reverend Robertson: if there is a disaster in
your area, don't turn to Science; you just rejected it from your life," AAAS
said on its daily television show broadcast from Washington, the 3.14159 Club.
]
[snip snip]
[
"Actually, we're just kidding," the AAAS later corrected. "Science works
whether you believe in it or not. That's what's really cool about it," they
said.
]]

Science has also developed radio and television, which
*televangelists* rely on to get out their 'gospel'. {g}

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 15:54:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:54:13 -0500
Subject: eBay coupon codes (use 'em or lose 'em)
Message-ID: <1a2738400511300754v9e44b32g95dc7edd70f2c37c@mail.gmail.com>

http://dealcoupon.com/online-stores/e-Bay/50/

A couple expire today.  I've already used the $15 off $100 for a
computer case--I decided on a Thermaltake Xaser III full tower--and
I've already used *both* 10% off coupon codes.  Unfortunately, it
seems the codes can only be used once per account. :-\

Dina