From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Oct  1 12:41:51 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:41:51 -0000
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
Message-ID: <dhm06f+lt3j@eGroups.com>

I read at Mugglenet that Imelda Staunton was being lined up for Dolores 
Umbridge, but it hasn't been confirmed.  We've also heard that Anna 
Friel would love to play Tonks; and the giant squid ... well I think 
he's a dead cert to be honest (talk about timing, anyone would think it 
was desperate to get in the movies or something!!!)
Anyway it set me thinking about who could play other new characters 
that are introduced in Phoenix ...
My biggest desire (as I sit here musing) is for Patrick Stewart to be 
in it - if Kingsley Shacklebolt was white he'd be brilliant (but 
possibly a little short).  But someone like Adrian Lester would be 
fabulous.
They are looking for someone to play Luna (go to Mugglenet for 
details), but the youngsters are so much more difficult to think about 
because they are usually virtually unknowns.
Liz Smith (one of Charlie's g.parents in Charlie and the chocolate 
factory) would certainly bring some comedy to Arabella Figg ... anyway 
suggestions are always interesting to read - join me in my totally 
useless, unproductive but fun musings ...

Sarah xx






From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 13:13:55 2005
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Casting for Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <dhm06f+lt3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051001131355.20722.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com>

Didnt JK describe Kingsly as a dark man so to
prosumming he is black. I can imagine Stewart as a
white Kingsly because hes bald.
U know some American actors/actress should be able to
play in these movies, i know they are suppose to
English but some actors are trained to talk in accents
of different languages. Like Mike Myers though i dont
what he can play. Robin Williams I can see him as Ludo
Bagman or someone dark after seeing him in that one
horror movie as a photo developer stalking a family. I
see Liv Tyler as Tonks. Ok im not making sense sorry i
been up since 5am dealing with a crazy whinning baby
and me drinking 3 cans of Mountain Dew so im
crazzzzzy.

Tasha

--- Sarah <plungy116 at aol.com> wrote:

> I read at Mugglenet that Imelda Staunton was being
> lined up for Dolores 
> Umbridge, but it hasn't been confirmed.  We've also
> heard that Anna 
> Friel would love to play Tonks; and the giant squid
> ... well I think 
> he's a dead cert to be honest (talk about timing,
> anyone would think it 
> was desperate to get in the movies or something!!!)
> Anyway it set me thinking about who could play other
> new characters 
> that are introduced in Phoenix ...
> My biggest desire (as I sit here musing) is for
> Patrick Stewart to be 
> in it - if Kingsley Shacklebolt was white he'd be
> brilliant (but 
> possibly a little short).  But someone like Adrian
> Lester would be 
> fabulous.
> They are looking for someone to play Luna (go to
> Mugglenet for 
> details), but the youngsters are so much more
> difficult to think about 
> because they are usually virtually unknowns.
> Liz Smith (one of Charlie's g.parents in Charlie and
> the chocolate 
> factory) would certainly bring some comedy to
> Arabella Figg ... anyway 
> suggestions are always interesting to read - join me
> in my totally 
> useless, unproductive but fun musings ...
> 
> Sarah xx
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From hphgrwlca at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 14:38:40 2005
From: hphgrwlca at yahoo.com (Christine Acker)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 07:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <1128173631.245.7539.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051001143840.16585.qmail@web51711.mail.yahoo.com>


Man, I sure would love to see Samuel L. Jackson as Kingsley.  He would be the perfect mix of intelligence, seriousness, and badassery.  :)  Too bad they don't cast Americans....

 

Christine

 


I read at Mugglenet that Imelda Staunton was being lined up for Dolores 
Umbridge, but it hasn't been confirmed. We've also heard that Anna 
Friel would love to play Tonks; and the giant squid ... well I think 
he's a dead cert to be honest (talk about timing, anyone would think it 
was desperate to get in the movies or something!!!)
Anyway it set me thinking about who could play other new characters 
that are introduced in Phoenix ...
My biggest desire (as I sit here musing) is for Patrick Stewart to be 
in it - if Kingsley Shacklebolt was white he'd be brilliant (but 
possibly a little short). But someone like Adrian Lester would be 
fabulous.
They are looking for someone to play Luna (go to Mugglenet for 
details), but the youngsters are so much more difficult to think about 
because they are usually virtually unknowns.
Liz Smith (one of Charlie's g.parents in Charlie and the chocolate 
factory) would certainly bring some comedy to Arabella Figg ... anyway 
suggestions are always interesting to read - join me in my totally 
useless, unproductive but fun musings ...

Sarah xx





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From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sat Oct  1 16:00:25 2005
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:00:25 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Casting for Phoenix
References: <dhm06f+lt3j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003101c5c6a1$3c771a80$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>

I have had an actor in mind since first "meeting" Kingsley.  Djimon Hounsou would be perfect.  He is tall, imposing and has experience working with child actors.
http://imdb.com/name/nm0005023/


Heather

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  I read at Mugglenet that Imelda Staunton was being lined up for Dolores 
  Umbridge, but it hasn't been confirmed.  We've also heard that Anna 
  Friel would love to play Tonks; and the giant squid ... well I think 
  he's a dead cert to be honest (talk about timing, anyone would think it 
  was desperate to get in the movies or something!!!)
  Anyway it set me thinking about who could play other new characters 
  that are introduced in Phoenix ...
  My biggest desire (as I sit here musing) is for Patrick Stewart to be 
  in it - if Kingsley Shacklebolt was white he'd be brilliant (but 
  possibly a little short).  But someone like Adrian Lester would be 
  fabulous.
  They are looking for someone to play Luna (go to Mugglenet for 
  details), but the youngsters are so much more difficult to think about 
  because they are usually virtually unknowns.
  Liz Smith (one of Charlie's g.parents in Charlie and the chocolate 
  factory) would certainly bring some comedy to Arabella Figg ... anyway 
  suggestions are always interesting to read - join me in my totally 
  useless, unproductive but fun musings ...

  Sarah xx





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From bruney200 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  1 16:40:35 2005
From: bruney200 at yahoo.com (Tasha)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:40:35 -0000
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <20051001143840.16585.qmail@web51711.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dhme63+58km@eGroups.com>

I think we should have a petiton going to let American actors be in HP
films. Samuel L Jackson would be a great pick.

Tasha



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christine Acker
<hphgrwlca at y...> wrote:
> 
> Man, I sure would love to see Samuel L. Jackson as Kingsley.  He
would be the perfect mix of intelligence, seriousness, and badassery.
 :)  Too bad they don't cast Americans....
> 
>  
> 
> Christine
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I read at Mugglenet that Imelda Staunton was being lined up for Dolores 
> Umbridge, but it hasn't been confirmed. We've also heard that Anna 
> Friel would love to play Tonks; and the giant squid ... well I think 
> he's a dead cert to be honest (talk about timing, anyone would think it 
> was desperate to get in the movies or something!!!)
> Anyway it set me thinking about who could play other new characters 
> that are introduced in Phoenix ...
> My biggest desire (as I sit here musing) is for Patrick Stewart to be 
> in it - if Kingsley Shacklebolt was white he'd be brilliant (but 
> possibly a little short). But someone like Adrian Lester would be 
> fabulous.
> They are looking for someone to play Luna (go to Mugglenet for 
> details), but the youngsters are so much more difficult to think about 
> because they are usually virtually unknowns.
> Liz Smith (one of Charlie's g.parents in Charlie and the chocolate 
> factory) would certainly bring some comedy to Arabella Figg ... anyway 
> suggestions are always interesting to read - join me in my totally 
> useless, unproductive but fun musings ...
> 
> Sarah xx
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Oct  1 17:02:33 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:02:33 -0000
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <dhme63+58km@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhmff9+sdap@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tasha" <bruney200 at y...> wrote:
> I think we should have a petiton going to let American actors be in HP
> films. 

I guess we don't know for sure that all characters are definitely 
British, and with a name like Kingsley Shacklebolt ... (can't actually 
see him being American though - sorry).
I think Jo said that she wouldn't put American characters in just for 
the sake of it - and you've got to be as true to the characters she 
thought up as possible haven't you?  I know some people would argue 
that "whoever" isn't as they imagined - you know, Ron should be taller, 
Petunia and Dudley are blond in the books etc etc
Did you know that Tim Roth was considered for Snape before Alan 
Rickman?  I love Alan Rickman to pieces and he certainly brings a 
unique perspective to the part (and nobody does sardonic like Rickman), 
but he wasn't my ideal image of Snape (Tim Roth seems a better kind of 
age too, and could certainly pass as a school mate of Gary Oldman and 
David Thewlis.)  But Alan Rickman pulls it off (?!)and has become 
Severus Snape. To me, as much as I think Samuel L Jackson is a fine and 
accomplished actor, and I certainly have nothing against Americans per 
se it would grate on me to have him play Kingsley.
Sorry
Just MHI
Sarah xx





From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 00:54:25 2005
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:54:25 EDT
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
Message-ID: <1f3.1358a308.307089c1@aol.com>

 
Tasha wrote:

Didnt JK describe Kingsly as a dark man so  to
prosumming he is black. I can imagine Stewart as a
white Kingsly  because hes bald.
U know some American actors/actress should be able  to
play in these movies, i know they are suppose to
English but some  actors are trained to talk in accents
of different languages. Like Mike Myers  though i dont
what he can play. Robin Williams I can see him as  Ludo
Bagman or someone dark after seeing him in that one
horror movie as a  photo developer stalking a family. I
see Liv Tyler as Tonks. Ok im not making  sense sorry i
been up since 5am dealing with a crazy whinning baby
and me  drinking 3 cans of Mountain Dew so im
crazzzzzy.
 
 
Julie says:
I'm with you on this, Tasha. It's a (very small) pet peeve of mine  
that JKR won't allow American actors in the HP films. If it  was
a matter of past prejudice against English actors getting good 
parts playing English characters (as with, say, Native  Americans
in American films) then I could see the reasoning. But  English
actors have always been a very large presence in American 
films, not only playing English characters, but often  *American*
characters also. They've won quite a few Oscars playing such
parts (Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter, for instance),  and
justly so. Actors like Anthony Hopkins, Emma Thompson, 
Patrick Stewart, Hugh Grant, Sean Connery (yeah, Scottish),
Richard Burton (yeah, Welsh), Ian McClellan, Helena Bonham
Carter--and on and on and on, you get the point--have made 
much of their living in American films. And I'm more than fine
with that. 
 

 
And we can certainly include Australian actors, BTW, like Mel
Gibson, Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, et al, who have also
been warmly welcomed into American cinema. (I especially
warmly welcome Hugh--er, anyway...;-)
 
Point is, I've always thought the English speaking world pretty
much as one giant family when it comes to the film industry
(thinking back to the great Olivier presence in American film),
and I've rarely seen restrictions put on roles based solely on 
nationality. JKR chose to do so, and she has every right, but
I'm still sorry she made that choice.
 
All IMO,
 
Julie 
(who would be totally against Mike Myers or Robin Williams 
in the HP movies as it smacks of stunt casting, but thinking 
that an actor the caliber of Kathy Bates not being eligible to 
play Umbridge, for instance, is a shame)
 







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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  2 06:02:00 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 2 Oct 2005 06:02:00 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1128232920.14.8623.m31@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 10:29:50 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:29:50 -0000
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <1f3.1358a308.307089c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dhocqu+b4sg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at a... wrote:

 It's a (very small) pet peeve of mine that JKR won't allow American 
actors in the HP films. 
Julie 

me again now ...
I don't think that she has necessarily said she won't allow Americans 
in the films, just that she wasn't going to write any American 
characters in the books.  Maybe I'm wrong.

I admit that someone like Mike Myers does a great English accent (but 
then he was brought up in Britain for a while), but most of the time 
cross atlantic accents do not work that well.  Alan Rickman's 
American accent is nothing to write home about, Clive Owen in Sin 
City just makes me want to curl up and I have to turn off Hugh Laurie 
in House!  Renee Zellwiger as Bridget Jones is horrific, Winona Ryder 
and Keanu Reeves in Dracula ... I could go on ... it's just not worth 
the potential cringe factor.  Saying that, I find Gary Oldman's 
accent as Sirius a little forced too, and Sean Bean sounds odd when 
he's not talking in his native Sheffield tongue.  Am I being too 
picky?  
I think Americans are better playing Americans and Brits are better 
playing Brits.  
And on that note I shall go and hide, masterfully dodging all the 
flak that will no doubt head east towards me.

Sarah xx






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  2 17:02:22 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 2 Oct 2005 17:02:22 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1128272542.15.35585.m35@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From joseph at kirtland.com  Sun Oct  2 22:30:22 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:30:22 -0000
Subject: American Actors, Audiobooks, etc
In-Reply-To: <dhocqu+b4sg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhpn1u+vkoh@eGroups.com>

Is there something about the Queen's English that is absolutely 
pleasant and non-irritating to listen to?  Could English as spoken 
on the BBC (and Jim Dale's reading of Harry Potter for that matter) 
be considered the world standard for neutrality in accent-free 
English?

I've downloaded a number of audiobooks from audible.com, and I own 
all the Harry Potter audio books.  I am finding that the books read 
by British narrators are far easier to listen to for long periods of 
time than those read by an American reader.  

In newscasts as well as radio announcers here in the states, many of 
the reporters or commentators are downright irritating.  

While the Queen's English is easy for Americans to understand, it'd 
be fun to have a book narrated with a Cockney accent.  That's 
certainly the accent I picture Stan having.

As a California native, I certainly don't speak in Queen's English, 
though I certainly appreciate programming where it is spoken.

Joe


 



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at a... wrote:
> 
>  It's a (very small) pet peeve of mine that JKR won't allow 
American 
> actors in the HP films. 
> Julie 
> 
> me again now ...
> I don't think that she has necessarily said she won't allow 
Americans 
> in the films, just that she wasn't going to write any American 
> characters in the books.  Maybe I'm wrong.
> 
> I admit that someone like Mike Myers does a great English accent 
(but 
> then he was brought up in Britain for a while), but most of the 
time 
> cross atlantic accents do not work that well.  Alan Rickman's 
> American accent is nothing to write home about, Clive Owen in Sin 
> City just makes me want to curl up and I have to turn off Hugh 
Laurie 
> in House!  Renee Zellwiger as Bridget Jones is horrific, Winona 
Ryder 
> and Keanu Reeves in Dracula ... I could go on ... it's just not 
worth 
> the potential cringe factor.  Saying that, I find Gary Oldman's 
> accent as Sirius a little forced too, and Sean Bean sounds odd when 
> he's not talking in his native Sheffield tongue.  Am I being too 
> picky?  
> I think Americans are better playing Americans and Brits are better 
> playing Brits.  
> And on that note I shall go and hide, masterfully dodging all the 
> flak that will no doubt head east towards me.
> 
> Sarah xx






From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 22:55:37 2005
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:55:37 EDT
Subject: Casting for Phoenix
Message-ID: <193.494a4ae9.3071bf69@aol.com>

 
Sarah wrote:

I think  Americans are better playing Americans and Brits are better 
playing  Brits.  
And on that note I shall go and hide, masterfully dodging all  the 
flak that will no doubt head east towards me.

Sarah  xx



Julie says:
I generally agree with you, though I'm not very perceptive about  accents.
I didn't really notice Renee's goofs much in Bridget Jones, and I  still
don't notice Hugh Laurie's in House at all. (Or maybe I just don't  care
because I love him so much in that show. He's just so good at being 
snarky--or should I say, Snapey ;-)
 
Anyway, I never would have expected any major roles to go to 
American actors. The lead children roles especially called for 
British unknowns. But I just think it's too bad American actors 
are ruled out entirely from any role (that was my understanding 
of JKR's request/demand anyway).
 
On a side note, I agree that Djimon Hounsou would be a good choice
for Kingsley Shacklebolt. According to his filmography though, he is
he is already working on the film version of Eragon. He may want  to 
limit himself to one wizard series at a time!
 
Julie 
 
 
 


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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  4 13:59:53 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 13:59:53 -0000
Subject: The Witching Hour
Message-ID: <dhu1sp+716f@eGroups.com>

So... who's going to The Witching Hour in Salem this weekend?? :-)

And if you're going, have you selected your favorite-sounding program?  
My favorite, hands down, is this one, being presented by Kristi 
Brownfield:

"You Say Sweater, I Say Jumper, You Wanker:  Brit-Picking Harry Potter 
Fandom."

Heh heh.

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct  4 16:03:20 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:03:20 -0000
Subject: American Actors, Audiobooks, etc
In-Reply-To: <dhpn1u+vkoh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhu948+h0t1@eGroups.com>

Joe Bento wrote:

> Is there something about the Queen's English that is absolutely 
> pleasant and non-irritating to listen to?

I don't really know about this.  My feeling is that we all have pet 
likes and dislikes for accents.

> Could English as spoken 
> on the BBC (and Jim Dale's reading of Harry Potter for that 
matter) 
> be considered the world standard for neutrality in accent-free 
> English?

The answer to this is, no, it can't, because there is no such 
thing.  Everybody starts out from the point that the accent they 
were brought up with sounds 'neutral' (for example, I was surprised 
when my school friends told me my mother had a foreign accent), and 
everybody and nobody is right.

On the question of the Harry Potter movies, is it JKR who has 
stipulated that actors be of the nationality of their characters, 
and if so, do WB have to do what she asks?

I had supposed that doing different accents was one of those things 
that actors learn routinely in drama school.  Most of them seem to 
me to do it perfectly competently, from either side of the Atlantic, 
or, indeed, the Indian Ocean.

David





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct  4 16:22:10 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:22:10 -0000
Subject: There really is a giant squid
In-Reply-To: <dhi76v+707o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhua7i+5q1q@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_sc/japan_giant_squid
> 
> Anybody have any thoughts on the role if any that the giant squid 
will
> play in Book 7? He seems pretty benign.

Well, the one in the picture seems to be deploying a death ray, or 
perhaps casting a spell.

I had envisaged that at a crucial point in a battle at Hogwarts, the 
squid might, say, take Draco out by throwing Dennis Creevey at him.

David





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Oct  4 18:04:44 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:04:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: American Actors, Audiobooks, etc
In-Reply-To: <dhu948+h0t1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c5c90e$19a9a300$65a4a8c0@rosie>

[Dave]:
| I had supposed that doing different accents was one of those things 
| that actors learn routinely in drama school.  Most of them seem to 
| me to do it perfectly competently, from either side of the Atlantic, 
| or, indeed, the Indian Ocean.

[Lee]:
Uh--well, let's say that a accents can be taught, but the success rate
varies.  Jane Seymour will never, ever sound American, no matter how many
American-woman roles she tries to fill; her accent is very poor and forced.
Roma Downey is another example of someone who will never be able to do a
totally convincing American accent; her Irish comes through and her vowels
are, again, too deliberate and forced.

There are successes, however; I heard that one woman in the movie "Wagging
The Dog" who did quite well and, as much as I abhore the re-invension of
Galactica, the dude who plays Apollo is pretty good at an American
accent...one of the more impressive things about the series. :)

Crossing accents over the pond is not impossible, but it does require a very
good ear-mouth coordination on the part of the actor/actress.  Same can be
said for US regional accents, though.  I remember a friend of mine who was
supposed to play a Southerner, and she did a lovely southern accent, but she
was not happy with it because she felt she needed to learn the speech for
the exact region she was supposed to be representing.  I remember her
spending hours on the phone with a friend from the area she needed,
listening to tapes, etc., until she was satisfied.  Talk about taking one's
craft seriously! :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 01:16:36 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:16:36 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Witching Hour
In-Reply-To: <dhu1sp+716f@eGroups.com>
References: <dhu1sp+716f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1128474999.348D490F@dk12.dngr.org>


On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 1:47 pm, cubfanbudwoman wrote:
> So... who's going to The Witching Hour in Salem this weekend?? :-)
>
I'll be there but only for 26 hours. I'm presenting on 'old school' 
fanfic friday at 10pm and on fandom ethics saturday at 9, hosting a 
party for fanfic writers/wikiers/fanartists on Friday at the Beerworks 
and doing something cool for the leaky cauldron on Saturday. If you're 
reading this, and see me there, say "hi"!



From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Wed Oct  5 12:28:38 2005
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:28:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Witching Hour
References: <dhu1sp+716f@eGroups.com> <1128474999.348D490F@dk12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <001701c5c9a8$514ee1e0$0300a8c0@ronaldruss1clq>

Can't wait to meet you there Heidi!  and anyone else who is attending!
I will be around, here and there, hither and yon, the entire time.  Look me up!  I'll be the one in the pointy hat. HAHA
Belinda 
aka Lexicon_Bel~ 
aka potionsmaster36
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Heidi Tandy 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Witching Hour



  On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 1:47 pm, cubfanbudwoman wrote:
  > So... who's going to The Witching Hour in Salem this weekend?? :-)
  >
  I'll be there but only for 26 hours. I'm presenting on 'old school' 
  fanfic friday at 10pm and on fandom ethics saturday at 9, hosting a 
  party for fanfic writers/wikiers/fanartists on Friday at the Beerworks 
  and doing something cool for the leaky cauldron on Saturday. If you're 
  reading this, and see me there, say "hi"!



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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct  5 20:38:23 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:38:23 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
Message-ID: <di1djv+orcb@eGroups.com>

OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the banning 
of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just misplaced 
rumormongering.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000682.html


   - CMC (today Piglet, tomorrow Dudley......)





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Oct  5 22:01:15 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:01:15 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <di1djv+orcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <di1ifb+2e9v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at w...> wrote:
> OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the 
banning 
> of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just misplaced 
> rumormongering.
> 
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html
> 
> http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000682.html
> 
> 
>    - CMC (today Piglet, tomorrow Dudley......)

I hope you noticed that it was Dudley today - in the West Midlands 
that is...

There are some councils (and I think Dudley has featured before) 
where PC has run beserk. It's a bit like some of the health & safety 
issues which sometimes get reported.

We have situations - and I think this is the one I am thinking of - 
where council staff have been instructed not to send out cards 
saying "Happy Christmas" but messages such as "Season's Greetings" 
or "Happy Midwinter Festival".

I think Pooh is currently sitting with Piglet up on the Ashdown 
Forest at the top of the Hundred Acre Wood plotting revenge.....





From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  6 08:46:06 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:46:06 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <di1djv+orcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <di2o8e+jfh8@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote:

> OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the 
banning 
> of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just misplaced 
> rumormongering.
> 
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html
> 
> http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000682.html

Impossible to say without spending more effort on it than is sensible.

The Sun is notoriously unreliable when it comes to stories on 
political correctness (and the European Union) - I guess they know or 
think there is money to be made out of indignation.  But they could 
accidentally be telling the truth this time.

David





From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Oct  6 13:45:35 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:35 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <di2o8e+jfh8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <di39pv+k7r6@eGroups.com>

OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the banning 
of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just misplaced 
rumormongering.

Me now:-
If it is true, then I'm ashamed to say its another demonstration of how 
we just go too far.  How could Piglet offend anyone?
Yes, we live in a multi-cultural society and we should be tolerant of 
everyone's beliefs, but this is just stupid.  It's like banning Harry 
Potter because it encourages satanism and an interest in the occult - 
preposterous!

Sarah xx






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  6 13:22:29 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:22:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] author thrown out of school for saying Harry Potter is gay
In-Reply-To: <di2o8e+jfh8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051006132229.24969.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This is just too funny!

 

 

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Oct  6 14:02:45 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:02:45 -0000
Subject: Have you seen the incredible bouncing ferret?
Message-ID: <di3aq5+712m@eGroups.com>

New clips on Mugglenet - go and have a look, quite short but quite 
funny (especially the incredible bouncing ferret)  That phrase just 
rolls off one's tongue doesn't it?

Sarah xx





From lealess at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  6 16:52:54 2005
From: lealess at yahoo.com (lealess)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:52:54 -0000
Subject: Article on Nature of Good-Evil and Judging Others
Message-ID: <di3kp6+t0ag@eGroups.com>

I thought this was thought-provoking, but perhaps off-topic:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20051005.html

Interesting discussion of choice in doing good or evil, and the basis 
of judging others, assuming religious faith (and not social good or 
enlightened self-interest, among other approaches).

lealess







From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Oct  7 04:33:25 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:33:25 -0000
Subject: Phoenix Rising, a new Harry Potter Role Playing Game
Message-ID: <di4tqm+cvbl@eGroups.com>

Voldemort is dead. Harry Potter has disappeared to America. Five 
years later, the wizarding world thinks all is safe...

In the spring of what would have been Harry Potter's seventh year at 
Hogwarts, he finally defeated the Dark Lord. No one knows exactly 
what happened during their final confrontation, and there have been 
whispered suspicions in the wizarding world that the whole story of 
Voldemort's defeat hasn't been told. Harry Potter disappeared to 
America shortly after Voldemort's fall, fueling speculation that 
something sinister happened during the final battle, which nearly 
destroyed Hogwarts.

Now, five years after the end of the war, Hogwarts is almost ready 
to be reopened. In anticipation of this event, Minerva McGonagall, 
Headmistress of the school, has sent out invitations to a reunion 
for all Hogwarts students, a three-day event to be held in 
Hogsmeade. However, many known followers of the Dark Lord remain at 
large, and though the wizarding world has been lulled into a sense 
of security, much is still uncertain. Rumours of Death Eater 
activity begin to stir as suspicious occurrences are reported with 
an alarming frequency.

The reunion is just the beginning...

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=the_rising

This is a journal style role-playing game.  They are in the 
application and filling characters phase now, with the actual game 
beginning October 14th, tentatively.  So far the current accepted 
player applications look awesome.  If you're a RPG sort of person, 
come check it out.

Please note, I do not own, run, or administrate this game?but I do 
have permission from the game owners to advertise the game.  Please 
look at the game-board for rules, taken and available character 
lists, and for contact information for the administrators if you 
have any further questions.

Shanti
http://hauntedchambers.net
A Harry Potter Role-playing game run by adults.








From entropymail at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 16:19:38 2005
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:19:38 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <di39pv+k7r6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <di676q+9l3q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Leigh ..."
<plungy116 at a...> wrote:
>
> OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the banning 
> of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just misplaced 
> rumormongering.
> 
> Me now:-
> If it is true, then I'm ashamed to say its another demonstration of how 
> we just go too far.  How could Piglet offend anyone?
> Yes, we live in a multi-cultural society and we should be tolerant of 
> everyone's beliefs, but this is just stupid.  It's like banning Harry 
> Potter because it encourages satanism and an interest in the occult - 
> preposterous!
> 
> Sarah xx


Ugh! When did "being tolerant of others' beliefs" become
"accommodating everyone and their Aunt Sadie"?  "Tolerant" can swing
both ways, which means that Muslims can deal with Piglet, Jews can
appreciate the pretty Christmas lights, Catholics can see the beauty
in the rituals surrounding Hannukah. We have to start thinking of
"tolerence" as an enriching layering and co-existence of each other's
beliefs, rather than a stripping away of everything that may disrupt
our myopic tunnel vision.



...I said, "Good day, sir!"


:: Entropy ::






From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  7 17:32:11 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:32:11 -0000
Subject: Next Author Chat: Jeconais ~ Tomorrow! on Saturday, October 8 at 5:00 PM EST
Message-ID: <di6ber+daoq@eGroups.com>

The next Author chat is to be hosted by a very special Author. He has
a huge fan following and is known to write some of the most unique
pieces of fanfiction in the Harry Potter fandom.

Yes!!! I am talking about the one and only Jeconais.

Words fail me to adequately describe the talent of this amazing
Author. I don't suppose there are too many people out there in Harry
Potter fanfiction who haven't read and thoroughly enjoyed This Means War!

Jeconais is a master of writing fics with unusual or seldom before
attempted ships. He has successfully written pairings of
Harry/Hermione, Harry/Luna, Harry/Gabrielle Delacour, Harry/Padma,
Harry/Hannah, even Harry/Pansy, and of course, Harry/Ginny.

I suppose that many people can write fics with such pairings
but
Jeconais writes the characters so well that it allows people to cross
their normal "ship" lines and enjoy the story, no matter the pairing
written. When he started writing his latest epic, White Knight, Grey
Queen, so many people were left astonished at his pairing ?
Harry/Pansy. I think if most of us look within ourselves, you will
remember that almost nobody thought he could make it work.

Yet, several months later, the fic is complete and has turned out to
be one of the most beloved fics in fandom. Hundreds of fans were
literally left panting for updates.

I think it takes an Author of great caliber to make so many people
change their minds
 and Jeconais is exactly that ? a great Author.  
Who else could take a throw-away comment from a fan: "Jeconais could
make the statement 'Harry gets a glass of water' interesting," and
weave it into such a great story that it expanded into the wonderful
Object Lessons trilogy that included "Harry watches Paint Dry," and
"Harry watches Grass Grow,"  that his fans enjoyed so much.

Join us in the Wizardtales Chatroom
(http://www.wizardtales.net/chat)as we try and find out how he manages
to write such masterpieces.

The chat is Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 9:00 PM London Time

That Translates to 5:00 pm EST, 4:00 pm CST, 3:00 pm MST and 2:00 pm
PST in the US;  10:00 pm in Berlin; 1:00 am Sunday morning in India
and 6:00 am in Sydney, Australia.

Registration is quick and easy.   This is a chat that you can't afford
to miss!!! 

You can read Jeconais' work at http://jeconais.fanficauthors.net/






From anurim at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 21:38:03 2005
From: anurim at yahoo.com (Mira)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Communism (was: main list Snape posting)
Message-ID: <20051007213803.77787.qmail@web32607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- saraquel_omphale <saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Is Communism in itself evil, or is it the way that
it 
> is interpreted and put into practise that is evil? 

I'm replying to this on the OT list, since it does not
have anything to do with HP (that I can think of).

It depends on what you mean by Communism. If you
resume to everything being public property, everybody
contributing upon his own means and receiving after
his needs then I assume there is nothing evil into it.
Except, you need to postulate free will to keep things
nice, and I really don't see many people accepting
this type of life. I know I would not. Economically I
am all for left-wing principles, but morally, I would
feel my privacy and right of choice invaded by such a
system. Or perhaps it is just prejudice, but the
result is the same. And if not enough people enroll
then I assume it is quite difficult to keep the model
bankable.

If, however, you refer to the Communism supposedly
implemented in former and actual Communist countries,
that was founded on Marxism, which means it contained
the 'class fight' at its very roots. Now, in my
understanding, any system based on a 'fight' of any
sort is indeed evil and doomed to collapse. In order
to survive, such as system would need the 'fight' to
continue, therefore it would need to feed itself with
enemies. After the rich the intellectuals, after the
intellectuals the idealists, then the foreigners, then
the believers, then the rock fans, and so on, and so
forth. It does not depend on implementation; the
concept itself is flawed. Not to mention that whatever
system based on 'dictatorship', be it attributed to
'workmen' or not, is in principle evil. At least in my
view, which could of course be wrong.

I cannot help mentioning one of my favorite movies,
which shows how the history of the Eastern Europe
countries has been during the last century, remarkably
accurately and thoughtfully. It is the saga of a
Hungarian Jewish family, but it is illutrative enough
for the whole area and for other races as well. It is
called 'Sunshine', it was directed by Istvan Szabo,
with Ralph Fiennes, Jeniffer Ehle, Rachel Weisz etc.

Hoping she did not go too far into Boring/Biasedland,
Mira


		
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From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  7 23:10:08 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:10:08 -0000
Subject: Next Author Chat: Jeconais ~ Tomorrow! on Saturday, October 8 at 4:00 PM EST
In-Reply-To: <di6ber+daoq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <di6v8g+hh05@eGroups.com>

Actually, I messed up the Time Zone changes.  Jeconais' chat is at
9:00 pm London time, which makes it:

4:00 PM EST, 3:00 PM CST, 2:00 PM MST AND 1:00 PM PST in the States. 
I think the international times are still ok.

Sorry about that!
Rachael/rdprice29

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "rdprice29"
<scrapsandstitches at h...> wrote:
>
> The next Author chat is to be hosted by a very special Author. He has
> a huge fan following and is known to write some of the most unique
> pieces of fanfiction in the Harry Potter fandom.
> 
> Yes!!! I am talking about the one and only Jeconais.
> 
> Words fail me to adequately describe the talent of this amazing
> Author. I don't suppose there are too many people out there in Harry
> Potter fanfiction who haven't read and thoroughly enjoyed This Means
War!
> 
> Jeconais is a master of writing fics with unusual or seldom before
> attempted ships. He has successfully written pairings of
> Harry/Hermione, Harry/Luna, Harry/Gabrielle Delacour, Harry/Padma,
> Harry/Hannah, even Harry/Pansy, and of course, Harry/Ginny.
> 
> I suppose that many people can write fics with such pairings
but
> Jeconais writes the characters so well that it allows people to cross
> their normal "ship" lines and enjoy the story, no matter the pairing
> written. When he started writing his latest epic, White Knight, Grey
> Queen, so many people were left astonished at his pairing ?
> Harry/Pansy. I think if most of us look within ourselves, you will
> remember that almost nobody thought he could make it work.
> 
> Yet, several months later, the fic is complete and has turned out to
> be one of the most beloved fics in fandom. Hundreds of fans were
> literally left panting for updates.
> 
> I think it takes an Author of great caliber to make so many people
> change their minds
 and Jeconais is exactly that ? a great Author.  
> Who else could take a throw-away comment from a fan: "Jeconais could
> make the statement 'Harry gets a glass of water' interesting," and
> weave it into such a great story that it expanded into the wonderful
> Object Lessons trilogy that included "Harry watches Paint Dry," and
> "Harry watches Grass Grow,"  that his fans enjoyed so much.
> 
> Join us in the Wizardtales Chatroom
> (http://www.wizardtales.net/chat)as we try and find out how he manages
> to write such masterpieces.
> 
> The chat is Saturday, October 8, 2005 at 9:00 PM London Time
> 
> That Translates to 5:00 pm EST, 4:00 pm CST, 3:00 pm MST and 2:00 pm
> PST in the US;  10:00 pm in Berlin; 1:00 am Sunday morning in India
> and 6:00 am in Sydney, Australia.
> 
> Registration is quick and easy.   This is a chat that you can't afford
> to miss!!! 
> 
> You can read Jeconais' work at http://jeconais.fanficauthors.net/
>







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Oct  8 04:54:59 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:54:59 -0000
Subject: Nick Hornby's Latest Novel
Message-ID: <di7jf3+777g@eGroups.com>

In the early 80s, I worked my way through college delivering pizzas, 
whilst also volunteering on a suicide prevention hotline. Ever since, 
these two incongruent activities have been inextricably linked in my 
mind, and I was immensely gratified to find that Nick Hornby's latest 
novel A Long Way Down is the first literary work of my experience to 
make this connection.

I've enjoyed Hornby's previous novels - there's literally an LOL on 
every page - but I've felt that he's never been able to deliver a 
satisfying finale. A Long Way Down is his most ambitious novel, and I 
loved the format - a quartet of narrators - and I became so involved 
with the characters that I was afraid to finish the book, fully 
expecting a major narrative letdown.  *Sigh of relief* - the book goes 
from strength to stength and the finale is best of all.

   - CMC (JJ was me 25 years ago, minus the rock band)






From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  8 17:06:04 2005
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (anita_hillin)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:06:04 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter as unusual marketing ploy
Message-ID: <di8u9s+4m25@eGroups.com>

My work colleague and I were listening to the Chicago classical music 
station yesterday, and an ad came on the air which began, "Before 
Harry Potter, before The Wizard of Oz, before Lord of the Rings, there 
was Gilbert and Sullivan."  

Well... I guess it's hard to argue with that, but we were a bit 
mystified.  It went on to advertise The Sorcerer, which I admit I 
don't know among the pantheon of Gilbert and Sullivan operettas.  
However, my colleague said it has pretty much nothing to do with Harry 
Potter, and we both decided it's one of the bigger stretches to get a 
Harry Potter tie-in.  That said, it got our attention...

akh, who always perks up when the words "Harry" and "Potter" are 
strung together 








From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  9 06:02:02 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 9 Oct 2005 06:02:02 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1128837722.42.59831.m31@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From foodiedb at optonline.net  Sun Oct  9 03:22:52 2005
From: foodiedb at optonline.net (foodiedb29)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 03:22:52 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up?
Message-ID: <dia2ed+so99@eGroups.com>

I was wondering what sort of rules, laws, etc., govern what a wiz. or 
witch, can or cannot conjour up?  For example, why doesn't Ron's 
parents just conjour up money for their family?
Thanx all,
David








From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  9 14:12:08 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:12:08 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up?
In-Reply-To: <dia2ed+so99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dib8fo+heau@eGroups.com>

"foodiedb29" wrote:
> I was wondering what sort of rules, laws, etc., govern what a wiz. 
or witch, can or cannot conjour up?  For example, why doesn't Ron's 
parents just conjour up money for their family?
Thanx all,
> David
>

Dungrollin:

Here are some pre-OotP posts from the main list which might interest 
you. It's a subject which gets discussed every so often, and there 
are plenty more hiding in the archives, so the following examples 
are by no means definitive.

CMC 6376 "The Limits on Magic" 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/6376
Aberforth's Goat 7262 "Thermodynamics and Wizarding"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/7262
Amandageist 11361 "Theory of magic food"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/11361
Amy Z 20352 "Spells & Charms; the nature of magic"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/20352

Hope that helps,
Dungrollin









From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 16:03:44 2005
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Harry Potter as unusual marketing ploy
In-Reply-To: <1128860934.195.1031.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051009160344.98829.qmail@web51713.mail.yahoo.com>

I know that station! I love it how they don't have
real ads, or even prerecorded announcements like any
other radio station. The very serious sounding DJ's
read the text of the ads in a dry, near monotone. It's
pretty funny sometimes.


> Subject: 
> 
> My work colleague and I were listening to the
> Chicago classical music 
> station yesterday, and an ad came on the air which
> began, "Before 
> Harry Potter, before The Wizard of Oz, before Lord
> of the Rings, there 
> was Gilbert and Sullivan."  
> 
> Well... I guess it's hard to argue with that, but we
> were a bit 
> mystified.  It went on to advertise The Sorcerer,
> which I admit I 
> don't know among the pantheon of Gilbert and
> Sullivan operettas.  
> However, my colleague said it has pretty much
> nothing to do with Harry 
> Potter, and we both decided it's one of the bigger
> stretches to get a 
> Harry Potter tie-in.  That said, it got our
> attention...
> 
> akh, who always perks up when the words "Harry" and
> "Potter" are 
> strung together 
> 



	
		
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct  9 17:02:03 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 9 Oct 2005 17:02:03 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1128877323.15.73019.m27@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 10 03:54:33 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:54:33 -0000
Subject: News from Salem
Message-ID: <dicolp+375g@eGroups.com>

I have been here since Wed. The Witching
 Hour Confrence has been great.
I am using a webtv in my hotel room and 
there is no spell check and I can't see 
half of what I am typing so forgive me.

Salem is a wonderfully strange city. I was
lost for the first 2 days. We compared notes
at dinner and everyone at my table agreed.
and had simular stories to tell. It seems
that if you stop at a gas station and ask
for directions, they can't tell you. Maybe 
they are all Muggles and the places we are
all trying to go are unplottable.

One woman said she was walking and asked
a shopkeeper directions and he gave her
exact directions, but she got lost. Later
when she found a map she realized that he
had give her perfect directions, except 
that they were backwards.  I told a
shopkeeper that story and she said "That 
is typical for Salem". 

When I found the visitors center the man
said "this is the most difficult city to
get around in. Most of the country if you 
make 4 right turns you will end up back
where you started, but here you will end 
up in the next county". I suggested it migh
be easier if there were signs on the streets
to tell you what street that you are on.
You always know the side streets but not the 
street you are on.) The two attendants both laughed. I think
they like to *play* with the tourest. It 
does add to the flavor of the town. Overall
I love it here.

If any of you ever get a chance to visit
Salem do it and do it in October. It is
a wild, exciting and mysterious city.
I saw a woman shopkeeper with yellow green eyes. Humm.
There is a strange *something different* feeling
about this place. Not good, not bad, just
different. A feeling of a *presence* of 
something in some parts of town. Other parts just 
seem like any other city.

Tonks_op          






From foodiedb at optonline.net  Mon Oct 10 14:28:07 2005
From: foodiedb at optonline.net (foodiedb29)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:28:07 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up? Part 2
Message-ID: <didtpn+4k2l@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
To add to my first question about what rules/laws, etc., govern what a 
wizard can or cannot "conjure" up, I was also like to 
add "transfigure" as well.
Thanks,
David






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 10 19:32:50 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:32:50 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up?
In-Reply-To: <dib8fo+heau@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <diefl2+h6pp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin"
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
>
> "foodiedb29" wrote:
> > I was wondering what sort of rules, laws, etc., govern what a wiz. 
> or witch, can or cannot conjour up?  For example, why doesn't Ron's 
> parents just conjour up money for their family?
> Thanx all,
> > David
> >
> 
> Dungrollin:
> 
> Here are some pre-OotP posts from the main list which might interest 
> you. It's a subject which gets discussed every so often, and there 
> are plenty more hiding in the archives, so the following examples 
> are by no means definitive.
> 
> CMC 6376 "The Limits on Magic" 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/6376
> Aberforth's Goat 7262 "Thermodynamics and Wizarding"
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/7262
> Amandageist 11361 "Theory of magic food"
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/11361
> Amy Z 20352 "Spells & Charms; the nature of magic"
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/20352
> 
> Hope that helps,
> Dungrollin

bboyminn:

Excellent list of posts from Dungrolling, but they are kind of long
and deep, so for simplicity, I will give the short explanation.

When JKR set up her world and her /brand/ of magic she wanted some
degree of realism, so she set certain boundaries on the world. For
example, you can not truly raise the dead. Once dead, you are
completely and forever dead.

Another rule related to 'conjuring'. Things that are created from
nothing are not premanent, they are created from nothing and in time
return to their original state - nothing. 

So, you could create food using conjuring, but before you had time to
digest it, it would return to the /nothing/ from which it came, and
you would starve. So, conjured food might satisfy you in the short
term, but in the long term, you would die.

That's not all bad though. For example, when the cream sauce comes out
of Molly's wand, that could have been intentional if we assume she
conjured it. Cream sauces are very heavy and loaded with calories and
fat; not very healthy eating. But if it was conjured, it would
disappear in an hour or so; no calories, no fat, but all of the flavor.

Think of the implications here. You could eat a gallon of conjured ice
cream, and not a single calorie or a single gram of fat. You could eat
to your hearts content. Even foods that are filled with fat and
cholesterol wouldn't affect your health if they were conjured. 

So, a good/smart cook would probably blend conjured and non-conjured
(normal) food into a meal to give maximum nutrition with minimum
negative health effects.

Personally, I'll skip the conjured steak and conjured potatoes
swimming in butter and go straight for the conjured ice cream -
mmmmmmm.... yummy.

As a side note; keep in mind that not everything that appears to
appear from nowhere is conjure. For example, when Dumbledore made the
 squashy purple sleeping bags appear; we don't know if he created them
from /nothing/ or if he just transferred them from their storage
location in the castle. Also, the food that magically appears on the
Hogwarts House tables is cooked normally and transferred up from the
kitchens below; it's real food, really cook, but magically served - so
it's not /conjured/.

Transfiguration becomes more complicated, in general, I think you can
transfigure anything as long as you know the proper spell and are
sufficiently powerful. But complications do occur, for example, if you
transfigure a living thing to an inanimate object, what happens to its
life force? Or even more confusing, if you tranfigure an object into a
living thing, is that living thing truly living or is it merely animated? 

Just a thought.
Steve/bboyminn







From ShylahM at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 18:29:34 2005
From: ShylahM at gmail.com (kiroo4)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:29:34 -0000
Subject: RPG
Message-ID: <diebue+6tv1@eGroups.com>

This is an old site restarted.  Beginning from scratch, lots of 
characters are needed including Harry, Neville, Luna, Cho, all 
Weasleys apart from Ron etc.  Practically no Slytherins are taken, 
this includes Snape, Lucius, Draco, etc.  A up to date list is 
viewable.

http://shonjir.net/phpBB/index.php








From marilynpeake at cs.com  Tue Oct 11 03:06:00 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:06:00 -0000
Subject: The Goblet of Fire Movie Trailer
Message-ID: <difa6o+54b8@eGroups.com>


When I saw The Corpse Bride this weekend, I also saw the movie trailer 
for The Goblet of Fire.  It looked stunning!  Now, I'm really psyched 
to see the movie next month!!!!

Best Wishes,
Marilyn
http://www.marilynpeake.com

~~ "The Golden Goblet" Newsletter, now available at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marilynpeake







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 04:12:45 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:12:45 -0000
Subject: News from Salem
In-Reply-To: <dicolp+375g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dife3t+o2l3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> 
wrote:
>
> I have been here since Wed. The Witching
>  Hour Confrence has been great.
> I am using a webtv in my hotel room and 
> there is no spell check and I can't see 
> half of what I am typing so forgive me.
<SNIP>
> If any of you ever get a chance to visit
> Salem do it and do it in October. It is
> a wild, exciting and mysterious city.
> I saw a woman shopkeeper with yellow green eyes. Humm.
> There is a strange *something different* feeling
> about this place. Not good, not bad, just
> different. A feeling of a *presence* of 
> something in some parts of town. Other parts just 
> seem like any other city.
> 


Alla:

Tonks, you've been there too. Sigh... Too bad we have not met. I 
loved Salem too, but I loved meeting people  and listening to the 
presentations more.

I've met SSSusan, KathyK, Annemehr, Debbie, Heidi. They are so much 
fun. :-)

Which presentation was your favorite?

I loved "Virtue and Vice of Hogwarts faculty" and  the 
roundtable "Ron the redheaded step child of the fandom" the most 
probably, but some others were also very interesting.

Alla
>







From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Tue Oct 11 05:56:24 2005
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:56:24 +0200
Subject: News from Salem
Message-ID: <s34b7050.092@gwia.resbank.co.za>

Hi there

What's the address to get in to Salem?  Does any one no of any blind people who enter the sight?  I'm a blind person myself and I need to no if it is very graphic or not.  I'd like to join, but, if it is to graphic, then I unfortunately won't be able to join.

Cairie


>>> dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com 2005-10-11 06:12 >>>
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at y...>
wrote:
>
> I have been here since Wed. The Witching
>  Hour Confrence has been great.
> I am using a webtv in my hotel room and
> there is no spell check and I can't see
> half of what I am typing so forgive me.
<SNIP>
> If any of you ever get a chance to visit
> Salem do it and do it in October. It is
> a wild, exciting and mysterious city.
> I saw a woman shopkeeper with yellow green eyes. Humm.
> There is a strange *something different* feeling
> about this place. Not good, not bad, just
> different. A feeling of a *presence* of
> something in some parts of town. Other parts just
> seem like any other city.
>


Alla:

Tonks, you've been there too. Sigh... Too bad we have not met. I
loved Salem too, but I loved meeting people and listening to the
presentations more.

I've met SSSusan, KathyK, Annemehr, Debbie, Heidi. They are so much
fun. :-)

Which presentation was your favorite?

I loved "Virtue and Vice of Hogwarts faculty" and  the
roundtable "Ron the redheaded step child of the fandom" the most
probably, but some others were also very interesting.

Alla
>









From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 13:25:25 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:25:25 -0400
Subject: And SV and HP art Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] News from Salem
Message-ID: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Cairie Witter <Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za> wrote:

> What's the address to get in to Salem?  Does any one no of any blind people who enter the sight?  I'm a blind person myself and I need to no if it is very graphic or not.  I'd like to join, but, if it is to graphic, then I unfortunately won't be able to join.
>

Um, if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying you believe Salem to
be a website in this discussion?  Folks are talking about Salem, a
city--though, there probably is a website dedicated to the city and
what not.  If you're referencing Witching Hour, the convention held in
Salem and what the original post was discussing, then the convention's
website is at http://www.witchinghour.org

Gah, I've been out of the HP loop for a bit and hadn't realized the
convention had come and gone until I saw a Yahoo news blurb by chance.

I recently got into Smallville and a new season started up, a new
season that a large portion of the fandom, especially slash fans,
refuses to watch.  If the HP fandom can carry the moniker of 'most
wankiest fandom ever', then Smallville is 'the fandom that hates
itself'. {chuckle}

Very depressing fandom but I've developed a fixation on Michael
Rosenbaum... because I totally digged him dressed as a gal.

For those who can view the art:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/andropotterist/154818.html

silly_frog did some pretty good androgynous artwork of Tonks and
Draco.  However, when she referenced Draco's head as 'horridly
proportioned', I had to joke about matching up her Draco to MR (skinny
guy, big head, in dress).

Dina



From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Tue Oct 11 14:05:28 2005
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:05:28 +0200
Subject: And SV and HP art Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] News from Salem
Message-ID: <s34be2f0.085@gwia.resbank.co.za>

Dina:
"Um, if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying you believe Salem to
be a website in this discussion?  Folks are talking about Salem, a
city--though, there probably is a website dedicated to the city and
what not.  If you're referencing Witching Hour, the convention held in
Salem and what the original post was discussing, then the convention's
website is at http://www.witchinghour.org"


Well, that's my mistake, I guess

Cairie (feeling rather embarrassed)





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 23:01:06 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:01:06 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up?
In-Reply-To: <diefl2+h6pp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dihg7j+omje@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
<snipped>
> Another rule related to 'conjuring'. Things that are created from
> nothing are not premanent, they are created from nothing and in 
time return to their original state - nothing. 
> 
> So, you could create food using conjuring, but before you had time 
to digest it, it would return to the /nothing/ from which it came, 
and you would starve. So, conjured food might satisfy you in the 
short term, but in the long term, you would die.
> 
> That's not all bad though. For example, when the cream sauce comes 
out of Molly's wand, that could have been intentional if we assume 
she conjured it. Cream sauces are very heavy and loaded with 
calories and fat; not very healthy eating. But if it was conjured, 
it would disappear in an hour or so; no calories, no fat, but all of 
the flavor.
> 
> Think of the implications here. You could eat a gallon of conjured 
ice cream, and not a single calorie or a single gram of fat. You 
could eat to your hearts content. Even foods that are filled with 
fat and cholesterol wouldn't affect your health if they were 
conjured. 
> <snipped>

Dungrollin:
Questions questions questions, and I know you like thinking about 
this stuff, Steve, so I'm asking you. Could I smoke as many conjured 
cigarettes as I liked with no ill-effects? Or, since the damage done 
is far more immediate would it be just as bad as smoking real 
cigarettes? Or would the damage to my lungs miraculously vanish when 
the conjured particles of smoke did? Ron's peck-marks from the 
attack from Hermione's conjured birds were there long after the 
birds had (presumably) disappeared. So perhaps smoking conjured 
cigarettes is worse than smoking real cigarettes, because you get 
all the damage but the nicotine doesn't hang around in your system 
for long, so you want another soon after...

Would conjured smoke make someone sitting next to me cough, or bring 
on an athsma attack? Would I get hayfever from conjured hay? I 
assume so.

bboyminn:
> As a side note; keep in mind that not everything that appears to
> appear from nowhere is conjure. For example, when Dumbledore made 
the squashy purple sleeping bags appear; we don't know if he created 
them from /nothing/ or if he just transferred them from their storage
> location in the castle. Also, the food that magically appears on 
the Hogwarts House tables is cooked normally and transferred up from 
the kitchens below; it's real food, really cook, but magically 
served - so it's not /conjured/.
> 

Dungrollin:
Except that if DD had simply transferred the sleeping bags from 
elsewhere, that's a kind of remote apparation. Far more powerful 
that a summoning charm like accio since they disappeared in one 
place and reappeared in another immediately. You could then bring 
anything from anywhere - why bother with the Hogwarts express? The 
Teachers could simply summon each student at the beginning of term, 
and avoid complications such as the Flying Ford Anglia.

What about the refilling charm Harry used at Hagrid's hut to get 
Slughorn and Hagrid sloshed? Was that conjured booze or kosher stuff 
nicked from Hagrid's cupboard? If it was conjured, did they have 
hangovers or not? 

I suppose it all depends on how long these conjured objects actually 
last - something which could be supposed to vary with the skill 
and/or power of the witch/wizard in question. Which would allow DD 
to conjure a thousand squashy, purple sleeping bags at the drop of a 
hat and have them last for a week if necessary. Presumably that 
would also apply to other types of magic (charms and whatnot) - Gred 
and Forge's inventions tend to wear out quickly, and the charmed 
Quibbler article didn't last the whole evening. How long did Ron's 
figure of Krum keep slouching around, and did it stop doing so 
before he broke it? Will a Petrificus Totalus wear off in the end?

bboyminn:
> Transfiguration becomes more complicated, in general, I think you 
can transfigure anything as long as you know the proper spell and are
> sufficiently powerful. But complications do occur, for example, if 
you transfigure a living thing to an inanimate object, what happens 
to its life force? Or even more confusing, if you tranfigure an 
object into a living thing, is that living thing truly living or is 
it merely animated? 
> 

Dungrollin:
Complications indeed. More to the point, is transfiguration 
permanent in a way that conjuring isn't? If it is, then what's to 
stop the Weasleys transfiguring pebbles into Galleons?  

Curious, but lazy,
Dungrollin






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 01:08:55 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:08:55 -0700
Subject: And BNF'ness Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] News from Salem
Message-ID: <1a2738400510111808pdd06e26ofa1e43dfd83c21cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Cairie Witter <Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za> wrote:
> Dina:
> "Salem and what the original post was discussing, then the convention's
> website is at http://www.witchinghour.org"
>
> Well, that's my mistake, I guess
>
> Cairie (feeling rather embarrassed)

No prob.  I'm usually in a catatonic/zombie state of mind.

Heh, though, I'm reminded of this comment by a gal, Jessica, who I
don't know... which is kinda ironic considering her message was about
how difficult it was for new HP fanfic writers to gain a readership
because the fandom has grown so much.  Anyway, her comment:
"...It really is much harder to make a name for yourself in HP
fanfiction now than it was back when I was first introduced to it.
It's possible to become well-known, but well-known to *who* is the
real question. I mean, I never seem to stop hearing from certain
people. Like, for instance, redina, who has an opinion and never fails
to put it to use. And yet I wonder whether those people I look up to
have even heard of her, let alone think that she's well known."

Or in other words, Dina has a big mouth and won't shut up. {g}  You
can estimate how tired I am by how chatty I get because brain starts
shutting down and thoughts just start unraveling... and spewing onto
the internet.

Right now, I'm very tired and an outline for a discussion popped up
about the connections in S4 and S5 Smallville episodes, Lex Luthor and
Clark Kent's friendship, and SV fans being upset when TPTB are
essentially tapping into fanfic 'cliches' and the irony of it all...
swimming in my brain.

Might make for a good topic... then I'll get some sleep in and realize
drooling over the keyboard would've been better. ;-)

Dina



From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Oct 12 02:26:54 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:26:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: And SV and HP art
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <346c11e6a9fcfa7b7a2dd8881da58e1e@fandm.edu>

Dina:
> I recently got into Smallville and a new season started up, a new
> season that a large portion of the fandom, especially slash fans,
> refuses to watch.

I first started watching toward the end of the third season, so I'm 
fairly new to the show as well.  It's like a drug, isn't it?  You know 
you shouldn't, but you just can't help it.  Lemme tell you, though, I'm 
not even a slasher, and I'm *still* indescribably disgusted with the 
direction the show has taken in the new season -- and there have only 
been two episodes so far!  That photograph prison thingy was just 
beyond pale, IMO.  And the great t00by sex scene . . . *cringes*  But I 
shall probably continue to watch.  I need my fix.

>   If the HP fandom can carry the moniker of 'most
> wankiest fandom ever', then Smallville is 'the fandom that hates
> itself'. {chuckle}

Hee.  So true.  Not that I'm really part of the fandom, but there is 
definitely an element of self-loathing involved in watching Smallville.

> Very depressing fandom but I've developed a fixation on Michael
> Rosenbaum... because I totally digged him dressed as a gal.

Also . . . he's just a strangely compelling actor.  Even my boyfriend 
likes him, which never happens.  I've never seen the notorious 
"Sorority Boys", but I think I may rent it just because I'm interested 
to know if Rosenbaum's as brilliant in other roles as he is as Lex.

Laura




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 04:55:53 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:55:53 -0700
Subject: And SV and HP art
In-Reply-To: <346c11e6a9fcfa7b7a2dd8881da58e1e@fandm.edu>
References: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com>
	 <346c11e6a9fcfa7b7a2dd8881da58e1e@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <1a2738400510112155n2adc8738j11afef18d385656d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Laura Ingalls Huntley <lhuntley at fandm.edu> wrote:

> I first started watching toward the end of the third season, so I'm
> fairly new to the show as well.  It's like a drug, isn't it?  You know

Ah, season three got me hooked too.  Seems to be the consensus it's
the best season... and then season four happened like a bad train
wreck =:-o starting with Lana Lang being possessed by an 18th century
witch--I didn't need that to prove Harry Potter could whoop Superman's
ass.   Jumping the shark to put it mildly.  The current season five
has to work doubly hard to make up for the poor previous season and
it's had a so-so showing so far.  I liked parts of S5 so far, while
other parts made me cringe.

Let me go back to S3, among the best were Shattered, Asylum, and
Memoria, which all dealt with an emotionally traumatized Lex Luthor. 
Shattered was the clincher for me when Rosenbaum portrayed Lex as
having a complete emotional/mental breakdown from his father drugging
him and his tears when he saw Clark Kent display his superhuman
powers.  While Memoria, who didn't think the scene sad with a young
Lex Luthor at his elaborate birthday party... and no one came and
you're seeing this young boy crying alone.  He has everything money
can buy but friendship.


> you shouldn't, but you just can't help it.  Lemme tell you, though, I'm
> not even a slasher, and I'm *still* indescribably disgusted with the
> direction the show has taken in the new season -- and there have only
> been two episodes so far!  That photograph prison thingy was just

Are you talking about the scene where Clark and Chloe are trying to
find the 'super sekrit' lab and 'oh look, it must be this blank
portion of the blueprints'?  LOL!  One of those moments where you feel
massive quantities of brain cells dying off.


> beyond pale, IMO.  And the great t00by sex scene . . . *cringes*  But I

The Clark Kent Loses His Virginity scene wasn't as bad as seeing Clark
and Lana all happy-happy joy-joy in the fields toward the beginning
portion.  Though, E! Soup did mock the loss of virginity scene with
their own 'rendition' using an old B&W film clip of a man being shot
out of a canon and a voiceover of 'Yipee'.  But not as funny as the
segment before about Nicholas Cage naming his new son, Kal-El
(seriously), and saying Cage wasn't the only one who thought their
child could fly {cuts to a shot of Michael Jackson holding a baby out
the window}.  Add five more and they could have their own Justice
League.


> shall probably continue to watch.  I need my fix.

IMHO, Lex Luthor saves the day... or series in this case. 
Unfortunately, TPTB then decided it was a good idea for Lex to develop
an infatuation with Lana Lang.  However, in S5's Mortal, they still
confirm Lex obsesses over Clark--more than Harry obsesses over Draco
(hey, I liked HBP).


> Also . . . he's just a strangely compelling actor.

Not bad for a skinny Jewish boy. {g}  Seriously, he's done some
fascinating work, including what some may consider 'odd' roles.  As
much as folk may lack enthusiasm for S5, last week's episode where
Clark kept punching Lex and yelling for Lex to hit back, and when Lex
finally does and sees Clark bleed, Rosenbaum's Lex expression had
*layers* of emotion that just unfolded onscreen.


> likes him, which never happens.  I've never seen the notorious
> "Sorority Boys", but I think I may rent it just because I'm interested
> to know if Rosenbaum's as brilliant in other roles as he is as Lex.

Rent it!  I rented it via Netflix and later bought a copy--albeit,
previously viewed/used--because I loved the movie... okay, I'm
enamored with MR in drag. :-D  In Sorority Boys, he's the 'blonde'
gal, and in Sweet November, he's the 'brunette' with Jason Isaacs as
his lover.  Dude, he scores with 'Lucius Malfoy' (with and without
dress). {g}

http://www.apple.com/trailers/touchstone/

Last time I checked at work (home computer runs on Win98 and no
iTunes), the above link has the SB trailer in Quicktime format.  While
Yahoo has a lower quality streaming trailer and a few extra clips
here:
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1807776028

Generally, the beginning and ending portion aren't that good but the
'creamy center' of Sorority Boys is funny.  Michael Rosenbaum, Harland
Williams and Heather Matarazzo (with a very loud voice) have the best
scenes.

Dina



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 12 06:21:59 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:21:59 -0000
Subject: What can/can't a wizard or witch conjour up?
In-Reply-To: <dihg7j+omje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <diia27+ie0j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin"
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
>
> > bboyminn:
> <snipped>
> > Another rule related to 'conjuring'. Things that are created from
> > nothing are not premanent, they are created from nothing and in 
> time return to their original state - nothing. 
> > 
> > So, you could create food using conjuring, but before you had time 
> to digest it, ... you would starve. ...
> > 
> > ...<snipped>...
> 
> Dungrollin:
> Questions questions questions, and I know you like thinking about 
> this stuff, Steve, so I'm asking you. Could I smoke as many conjured 
> cigarettes as I liked with no ill-effects? Or, since the damage done 
> is far more immediate would it be just as bad as smoking real 
> cigarettes? ...
> 

bboyminn:

No, it wouldn't be as bad as regular tobacco. If you smoke a cigarette
you don't instantly get cancer. The affect is accumulative. It's
chronic use that causes the problems, and the problem is far more than
the addictive effect of nicotine. In fact, actually in opinion, I
would say that nicotine is the least harmful aspect of tobacco. I
think a residue of tar and other particulate matter in your lungs
would cause the greatest problems because that substance lingers in
the lungs long after the cigarette is out. That and the fact that
American cigarette are fortified with an unbelievable assortment of
chemicals. In fact, at one time 'Kent with the Micronite filter' was
on the market, and it turned out that 'Micronite' was Ad-Speak for
asbestos. So, it's the lingering residue in your lungs that causes
long term irritation and damage.

> Dungrollin:
>
> Would conjured smoke make someone sitting next to me cough, or bring 
> on an athsma attack? Would I get hayfever from conjured hay? I 
> assume so.
> 

bboyminn:

In my studied opinion, while it exists, conjured objects are just as
real as the real thing, so yes, hayfever, athsma, etc... are all very
real possibilities.

> bboyminn:
> > As a side note; keep in mind that not everything that appears to
> > appear from nowhere is conjure. For example, when Dumbledore made 
> > the squashy purple sleeping bags appear; we don't know if he 
> > created them from /nothing/ or if he just transferred them from 
> > their storage location in the castle. ...
> > 
> 
> Dungrollin:
> Except that if DD had simply transferred the sleeping bags from 
> elsewhere, that's a kind of remote apparation. Far more powerful 
> that a summoning charm like accio since they disappeared in one 
> place and reappeared in another immediately. You could then bring 
> anything from anywhere - why bother with the Hogwarts express? The 
> Teachers could simply summon each student at the beginning of term, 
> and avoid complications such as the Flying Ford Anglia.
> 

bboyminn:

First, it is LIKE apparation, but it's not. There is a big difference
in the level of difficulty and risk between moving a chair from one
location to another and moving yourself. If the chair doesn't make it,
no harm - no foul, but if a human doesn't make it, big harm - big foul.

As far as your Hogwart Express comment, first and formost, I think you
need to know where something is in order to transfer it to your
location. That greatly complicates moving students to Hogwarts. Plus
there is the matter of time. Estimating probably 100 students in each
house that's a lot of time tranferring them one by one. I don't think
teachers want to waste their time with that.

Second, the Hogwarts Express serves other more traditional purposes.
I've always thought it provided a transition time for students. It
gave them time to shift their minds from the many distractions of
summer, and get themselves back into a 'school' mode. 

I also think it has the advantage of transporting students all at
once, so they aren't straggling into the school one by one over a long
period of time. And let's not forget their luggage, that is an
additional transport and again I don't think the teachers would want
to waste all that time only to have students arrive so slowly. 


> Dungrolling:
>
> What about the refilling charm Harry used at Hagrid's hut to get 
> Slughorn and Hagrid sloshed? Was that conjured booze or kosher stuff 
> nicked from Hagrid's cupboard? If it was conjured, did they have 
> hangovers or not? 
> 

bboyminn:

It's difficult to say, I suspect Harry was drawing on Hogwarts stock
of wine to refill the bottles. The implication really is that he is
refilling them, not creating new fake wine. I suspect, Slughorn and
Hagrid's personal stocks were limited, but I also suspect Hogwarts has
a nice large wine cellar as yet undiscovered by students.

However, if Harry was conjuring the wine, the effect would be the same
on the drinkers, but it wouldn't last as long. Keep in mind they
already drank two bottle (at least) of wine, so they were a bit
snockered to start with. Harry's wine just help them along in the
moment. Once Harry had what he wanted, it didn't matter any more if
the wine was real or not.

> Dungrollin:
>
> I suppose it all depends on how long these conjured objects actually 
> last - something which could be supposed to vary with the skill 
> and/or power of the witch/wizard in question. Which would allow DD 
> to conjure a thousand squashy, purple sleeping bags at the drop of a 
> hat and have them last for a week if necessary. ...
> 

bboyminn:

I suspect that Dumbledore is capable of conjuring the sleeping bags
and making them last at least overnight. That's not my read of the
story, but it is very much possible. I think the key is we don't
really know and probably never will. I personally suspect a transfer
from storage, others can think conjured.

> bboyminn:
> > Transfiguration becomes more complicated, ... if you transfigure 
> > a living thing to an inanimate object, what happens to its life 
> > force? ...
> > 
> 
> Dungrollin:
> Complications indeed. More to the point, is transfiguration 
> permanent in a way that conjuring isn't? If it is, then what's to 
> stop the Weasleys transfiguring pebbles into Galleons?  
> 
> Curious, but lazy,
> Dungrollin

bboyminn:

Now I'm stumped, so I'll fudge a bit. I suspect some tranfiguration is
temporary and some is permanent. JKR has said that if a person is
transfigure into an animal, they take on the brain of the animal and
like aren't smart enough to bring themselves back. That implies a
certain permanence. 

But your pebbles to Galleons is a classic contradiction. If JKR is
true to here rules of magic, pebbles to Galleons wouldn't be
permanent. Also, it's a bit alchemic, you might be able to make
pebbles LOOK like gold coins, but would it really be gold? Seriously,
I don't know, but again, JKR set limits on her world, and those limits
are in place to prevent the very thing you suggest, so for now I will
say NO, you can't do that.

Keep in mind, that I just make this stuff up.

Steve/bboyminn







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 12 17:06:18 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:06:18 -0000
Subject: Vote for JKR and HP for a Quill Award
In-Reply-To: <detdre+jqti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dijfqa+mi2i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Deb" <djklaugh at c...> wrote:
>
> The link below if for the Quill Literacy site... awarders of the Quill 
> awards for excellence in several categories of published works. JKR 
> and HBP have been nominated for a award in the Children's Chapter 
> Book/ Middle Grades category ... as well as being entered for 
> the "Book of the Year" award. If you loved HBP vote for this book to 
> win a Quill... 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.quillsliteracy.org/nominatingvoting.html
> 
> 
> DEb (djklaugh)
>

I missed this post originally, and like the rest of the general
public, didn't vote. Sorry, Deb! (Even one of the presenters, Matthew
Modine, wasn't aware that he could have voted.) But JKR has won in
spite of us:

http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50880&id=2005101210170001659288

Carol, hoping that the URL links because the "Wrap message text" box,
which I usually uncheck for long URLs, has disappeared







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 12 18:27:09 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:27:09 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <di1djv+orcb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dijkht+62e7@eGroups.com>

Caius Marcius wrote:
>
> OK, Brit-OT-chatterers, reassure me that this article about the
banning of A.A. Milne's Piglet from the British workplace is just
misplaced rumormongering.
> 
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html
> 
> http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000682.html
> 
> 
>    - CMC (today Piglet, tomorrow Dudley......)


I'm not British, but I'm concerned about the extent to which political
correctness dictates modern thinking. "Tolerance" appears to mean
"tolerance" for the politically correct views, not universal
tolerance. Surely one person's right to drink from a Piglet coffee cup
is as important as another person's right to refuese to eat pork. If
Christianity is imposed on Muslims, it's (rightly) considered a
violation of their rights. But if Islamic sensbilities are imposed on
non-Muslims Christians, doesn't that violate their rights as well?

In the U.S., children who didn't believe in God or whose religious
beliefs prevented them from swearing an oath of loyalty (which is how
 the Jehovah's Witnesses regarded the Pledge) used to be able to sit
silently while the teacher and other students recited the pledge. Now,
in California and other states, *no one* is allowed to recite the
pledge in school because it contains the words "under God." The
separation of Church and State apparently trumps the First Amendment
rights to freedom of speech and religion. "Tolerance" has become
suppression.

I'm ashamed to say that I laughed at the very clever Telegraph cartoon
of British guards about to execute a blind-folded piglet. But the grim
humor of the cartoon illustrates just how ridiculous political
correctness has become. Neither the U.S. nor Britain can continue to
knuckle under to such suppression. Granted, it's only one office in
one British county, but note also that Burger King has stopped serving
its ice cream cones because the swirls supposedly resemble the word
"Allah" in Arabic! How far are we going to go? Should we force women
to wear burkahs to avoid offending the radical Muslims? And what will
happen when the rights of two "marginalized" groups come into conflict?

True tolerance is not giving up your own rights to avoid offending the
sensibilities of others. If the British aren't careful, they'll lose
the right to eat a ham sandwich in public and the pork farmers will go
out of business. And it won't stop there.

I thought the banning of Piglet (and Porky Pig and presumably the
unmentioned Miss Piggy) was funny when I read the first article and
saw the cartoon, but when I read the Telegraph editorial (linked to
the Cox & Forkum site), I realized that it isn't funny at all. It's
scary. 

Here's the excerpt that made we realize that we need to take this
incident seriously:

"And, as we know, Muslims regard pigs as 'unclean', even an
anthropomorphised cartoon pig wearing a scarf and a bright, colourful
singlet.

"Cllr Mahbubur Rahman is in favour of the blanket pig crackdown. 'It
is a good thing, it is a tolerance and acceptance of their beliefs and
understanding,' he said. That's all, folks, as Porky Pig used to
stammer at the end of Looney Tunes. Just a little helpful proscription
in the interests of tolerance and acceptance.

"And where's the harm in that? As Pastor Niem?ller said, first they
came for Piglet and I did not speak out because I was not a Disney
character and, if I was, I'm more of an Eeyore."

It's *not* a good thing. It's not tolerance; it's dictatorship by a
minority. And if we keep knuckling under to such demands, we'll go
down the slippery slope into the very intolerance we're trying to
guard against.

Watch out, JKR. We've seen those comparisons of Dudley to a pig and
all those references to Harry cooking or eating bacon. And those
winged boars that guard the gates of *Hog*warts near the town of
*Hogs*meade. We know a dangerous heretic when we see one. Change your
ways, infidel, or we'll ban your books.

Carol, who intends no offense to moderate Muslims or anyone else. It's
the extremes of political correctness, suppression in the name of
"tolerance," that I'm attacking






From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Oct 12 18:32:10 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:32:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: And SV and HP art
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510112155n2adc8738j11afef18d385656d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com> <346c11e6a9fcfa7b7a2dd8881da58e1e@fandm.edu> <1a2738400510112155n2adc8738j11afef18d385656d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eeb434adbcdaae19d3837ca812bc8f61@fandm.edu>

Dina:
> Let me go back to S3, among the best were Shattered, Asylum, and
> Memoria, which all dealt with an emotionally traumatized Lex Luthor.
> Shattered was the clincher for me when Rosenbaum portrayed Lex as
> having a complete emotional/mental breakdown from his father drugging
> him and his tears when he saw Clark Kent display his superhuman
> powers.  While Memoria, who didn't think the scene sad with a young
> Lex Luthor at his elaborate birthday party... and no one came and
> you're seeing this young boy crying alone.  He has everything money
> can buy but friendship.

I adored those episodes.  I wasn't as please with the direction they 
took Lex's character in S4, but you've got to admit that the Lex vs. 
Lex (Onyx?) episode was loads of fun.

Dina:
> Are you talking about the scene where Clark and Chloe are trying to
> find the 'super sekrit' lab and 'oh look, it must be this blank
> portion of the blueprints'?  LOL!  One of those moments where you feel
> massive quantities of brain cells dying off.

That part was worse, now that I think of it, but I was actually 
referring to 5x01, where the eeeeevil Kryptonians try to trap Clark in  
. . . I'm not really sure how to describe it, actually.  First it was a 
bracelet, then it was a vortex, and then it was a rather comical 2-D 
picture of the baddies.  The bracelet was actually kind of cool, and 
the vortex itself wasn't so bad, but when it morphs into the picture 
thing and goes spinning off into the sunset -- that was just all kinds 
of lame.

Dina:
> IMHO, Lex Luthor saves the day... or series in this case.
> Unfortunately, TPTB then decided it was a good idea for Lex to develop
> an infatuation with Lana Lang.

Now, I don't hate Lana Lang the way some people do.  I'm really sort of 
fond of her.  But why does Every Single Person on the show have to have 
some unhealthy obsession with her?  Yes, she's hot.  We get it.  Move 
on.

Dina:
> Not bad for a skinny Jewish boy. {g}  Seriously, he's done some
> fascinating work, including what some may consider 'odd' roles.  As
> much as folk may lack enthusiasm for S5, last week's episode where
> Clark kept punching Lex and yelling for Lex to hit back, and when Lex
> finally does and sees Clark bleed, Rosenbaum's Lex expression had
> *layers* of emotion that just unfolded onscreen.

I know.  SO excellent.  I think his ability to "layer" is a big part of 
what makes him so fascinating -- you just don't find that talent very 
often in other actors.

Laura




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct 13 00:03:10 2005
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:03:10 -0000
Subject: What is Going on in Britain?
In-Reply-To: <dijkht+62e7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dik87u+tqmp@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote:

> Neither the U.S. nor Britain can continue to
> knuckle under to such suppression. [A reference to the alleged 
banning of Piglet from Dudley Council offices.] Granted, it's only one 
office in
> one British county, but note also that Burger King has stopped 
serving
> its ice cream cones because the swirls supposedly resemble the word
> "Allah" in Arabic! How far are we going to go? Should we force women
> to wear burkahs to avoid offending the radical Muslims? 

Well, I'm highly sceptical of both stories, as both the Sun and the 
Telegraph delight in pretending that we are being submerged beneath a 
wave of mindless officialdom.

But, even taking them at face value, there is a difference between 
them.  The Dudley story, if the supposed decision is upheld, would be 
a matter of concern.  But the Burger King one?  No.

Burger King are not suppressing some right of free speech, or cravenly 
caving in to the demands of political correctness.  All they are doing 
is trying to please their customers.  If some of those customers 
say "I don't like the decoration on your product because I am 
irrational, and I have 100 friends with the same opinion," Burger King 
will not say "These people *ought* to be happy with our decoration, so 
we will stand up for our right to be bloody-minded and continue 
despite them."  No, they will say "We think these people are daft, but 
we want their money, so we will change what we do to accommodate them."

It's called the free market.  Nothing to do with political correctness.

I was unable to find anything about this on Burger King's website, 
and, in a sad deriliction of their responsibilities to the truth, 
snopes.com are silent on it.  Until some firmer evidence is 
forthcoming, I recommend an eyeroll, a shrug, and an exclamation 
of "Newspapers!"

David






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 00:27:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:27:13 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: And SV and HP art
In-Reply-To: <eeb434adbcdaae19d3837ca812bc8f61@fandm.edu>
References: <1a2738400510110625y121675d8w92a15460cd1a86fa@mail.gmail.com>
	 <346c11e6a9fcfa7b7a2dd8881da58e1e@fandm.edu>
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	 <eeb434adbcdaae19d3837ca812bc8f61@fandm.edu>
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On 10/12/05, Laura Ingalls Huntley <lhuntley at fandm.edu> wrote:

> I adored those episodes.  I wasn't as please with the direction they
> took Lex's character in S4, but you've got to admit that the Lex vs.
> Lex (Onyx?) episode was loads of fun.

Aye, S4 wasn't a complete bust, but man, in between the reincarnated witch and super!dog, ouch!  And yep, it was interesting seeing Lex vs. Alexander Luthor in Onyx, which SV has this nifty habit of coming up with easy titles (Black Kryptonite and Lex 'twins' = Onyx ep). {g}  Towards the end of Onyx, Lex does one of the most *perfect* smirks I've seen, after Lionel Luthor says 'you're a Luthor'.


> referring to 5x01, where the eeeeevil Kryptonians try to trap Clark in
> . . . I'm not really sure how to describe it, actually.  First it was a
> bracelet, then it was a vortex, and then it was a rather comical 2-D
> picture of the baddies.  The bracelet was actually kind of cool, and
> the vortex itself wasn't so bad, but when it morphs into the picture
> thing and goes spinning off into the sunset -- that was just all kinds
> of lame.

I thought it lame how little conflict time Clark Kent had with the other Kryptonians (way too abrupt ending) but the 2D 'other dimension' mirror was utilized in... I forgot which Superman movie with Christopher Reeve--y'know, where the Kryptonians had the black 'biker' outfits.  Smallville followed the 'tradition' of aliens in sexy skin-tight leather.


> Now, I don't hate Lana Lang the way some people do.  I'm really sort of
> fond of her.  

I don't hate her, I just don't care for her other than as 'eye candy'.  Kristin Kreuk is very pretty but I haven't seen much 'personality'.  I believe what really made me realize how... non-interesting she was happened during the DVD commentaries when she barely spoke, even when directly questioned by folks she's worked with for awhile.  I was willing to chalk it up as a bad day but this happened on more than one season of DVD commentary.  Again, it's very possible I'm not seeing enough to get an accurate view, but so far, her character and her as an actress = fast forward through.  Hm, on reflection, the questions addressed to her were mostly bland too.


> But why does Every Single Person on the show have to have
> some unhealthy obsession with her?  Yes, she's hot.  We get it.  Move
> on.

LOL!  Though, if you don't have the Smallville DVDs, rent them if possible.  Some amusing commentary because the writers/directors have this fixation on Tom Welling's hair.  One consistent thing in the Smallville DVD seasons: commentary that picks on Michael Rosenbaum. {g}  The Welling and Rosenbaum banter was especially cute.  There's also an 'easter egg' on one of the S3 DVDs... fifth DVD? where MR interviews one of the design crew, who made my gaydar go *PING*, and they speculate, among other things, on Welling's underwear and what it might sell for on eBay and TW nekkid.

As much Lana and het as they include in this WB series, the DVDs include a different slant, including the 'homoeroticism' (as Welling said) between Clark Kent and Lex Luthor.


> I know.  SO excellent.  I think his ability to "layer" is a big part of
> what makes him so fascinating -- you just don't find that talent very
> often in other actors.

Aye, Welling had this rather eloquent commentary on the DVDs where he said Rosenbaum made him work more to perfect his acting and MR was pleased and humbled by the sentiment... then to lighten the mood, TW threw in a joking reference to Rosenbaum's Saturn Award. {g}

Rosenbaum does impressive drama but what also makes his comedic roles click is that he brings this 'intensity' to them as well.  He manages to make the absurd work for him... Well, the 2004 Wes Craven movie, Cursed... Eek!  I just saw it moments ago for the first time.

Gah, he gets stuck in a *bad* wig.  With Sorority Boys, Rosenbaum requested an ugly wig for Adam since he had to wear one as a guy and gal because his head was shaved for Smallville and I thought both wigs worked, but Cursed... man, ugh-lee wig.

Dina




From seuferer at netins.net  Thu Oct 13 01:35:08 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:35:08 -0000
Subject: Update of Lost Souls Found at Occlumency
Message-ID: <dikdkc+onu0@eGroups.com>

Chapter 22 posted?Secret Oaths and Commitments.

Severus extracts an oath from Lucius, from Harry, and even finds 
himself in the position to give one himself.

Lost Souls Found 
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3381

Severus Snape/OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. Voldemort is out in 
the open. Severus Snape is actively involved in Death Eater 
activities because of his role as spy for the Order of the Phoenix. 
A researcher from the Ministry for Magic offers to aid and assist 
Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potions master, whom she 
knew slightly from school. Rated L (NC-17) for romantic/sexual 
content in later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings 
with the horrors of a Magical War. Overall a romance, but war is 
gruesome.  Way too much plot for those who like PWP.

This story is cannon-compliant through OotP, AU to HBP.  It is 
complete, but is not posted in its entirety at Occlumency yet, as it 
is going through its final beta-revisions, edits and verifications.  
This has been a nearly two-year long WIP.  If you have read and 
enjoyed the story at other archives, I encourage you to consider re-
reading it here.  It has been thoroughly Brit-picked, grammar-
mechanics polished, and I have repaired minor consistency errors, as 
well as more effectively explained and filled `plot holes'.  

Because of the length of the story, it might be a more 
manageable `read' to handle in smaller doses, and my 
edit/polish/verification rate for my chapters seems to be about two 
to three chapters a week.  You do not need to fear that this story 
will be `abandoned' before being posted to its completion.

I adore reviews of all sorts, including criticisms so don't be shy!

Cheers!

Shanti
http://www.hauntedchambers.net/
Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Role Playing Game run by adults
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=the_rising
Phoenix Rising, a LiveJournal, post-war, Harry Potter Roleplaying 
game, slash and het adult content permitted.  







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 04:05:37 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:05:37 -0700
Subject: Geeky Michael Rosenbaum - him working out in heels (MTV Cribs)
Message-ID: <1a2738400510122105s30ea2b56mb006c5761c4382d4@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.rosenbaumcity.com/esite/videos.php?various

Scroll down to MTV Cribs.  I'll give points for him being able to work
out on a stair-master in women's shoes.

{chuckle} Y'know, these 'come visit my home' shows crack me up because
the places are too 'tidy'.  Right now, I've got an empty Chef Boyardee
can (dinner - FYI, it's Cheesy Burger Macaroni) sitting right next to
my computer monitor, my bed is never made (sheets get washed then
tossed on), I've got DVD-Rs stacked all over the place, piles of
clothes stacked on top of the dresser, paper stacks, a bunch of
audio/video cables and a can of Raid bug spray right next to my ankle,
a Swifter duster on top of the VCR... oh yeah, and an upside down
yogurt container weighed down with CDs because there's a bug
underneath it... and this is just the bedroom.  Ah, a true 'Kodak
Moment'. {snort}

Dina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Oct 13 04:45:12 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:45:12 -0000
Subject: New Orleans 2005: The Verdict of History
Message-ID: <dikooo+sel4@eGroups.com>

What a pretentious title! - but I just wanted to bring the attention of 
anyone concerned about the Big Easy this Big Essay by Michael J. Lewis 
(of Liar's Poker fame) from the NYT Sunday Mag - Lewis was born and 
raised in New Orleans, and it's a safe prediction that his account is 
what people 75-100 years from now will be reading to understand what 
happened in Katrina's aftermath.

http://tinyurl.com/ca39s

(if that URL doesn't work, than Google Michael J. Lewis, New 
Orleans/York Times)

  - CMC






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 05:31:18 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:31:18 -0000
Subject: News from Salem
In-Reply-To: <dife3t+o2l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dinfr6+hve6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
> I've met SSSusan, KathyK, Annemehr, Debbie, Heidi. They are so 
much 
> fun. :-)
> 
> Which presentation was your favorite?


Tonks:

I stayed in Danvers so I was driving a lot and lost a lot. Missed 
some of the talks. I enjoyed the one with the writers explaining how 
to get published. And the ones about Snape, of course. Most of the 
folks I met were part of the fanfiction group and not part of 
HPFGU's group. I would have liked to meet you and SSSusan and the 
others. I wondered if the Hogshead Barmaid was there. She would be a 
fun person too, I bet. 

I stayed an extra day because I was in a car accident. So Monday 
night I did get to stay at the Hawthorne Hotel and I loved it. They 
were so nice to me, even helped me find a Chevy dealer to look at 
the car the next day. The city was different with our group gone. We 
gave it a special flavor. I loved walking down the steets boldly in 
my wizard robes and seeing everyone else dressed up too. Salem was 
just made for us!!

Tonks_op






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Oct 14 10:25:54 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:25:54 +1000
Subject: Part of History
In-Reply-To: <dinfr6+hve6@eGroups.com>
References: <dife3t+o2l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <43501452.20821.B0CA4D@localhost>

I was looking at a new book today - Voyages To Vietnam by Stephen 
Lewis. This large coffee table book is a collection of photos by 
Australian veterans of the Vietnam War commemorating Naval life 
during Australia's longest ever military deployment.

Page 174- the following image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/drednort/boforssydney.jpg

Its caption:

Bofors gun on HMAS Sydney. Sydney's armaments were altered during the 
course of the conflict, but she is generally credited with having 4 x 
40mm guns. Roger Downton

*****

The man staring out at us in that image is my father. Edward Owen 
Hately.

Seeing my father in a history book... it's somewhat surreal to be 
honest.
Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 23:26:50 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:26:50 -0000
Subject: Strictly Forbidden Ebooks
Message-ID: <dis37q+kagv@eGroups.com>

Of course possession of HP ebooks is strictly forbidden, and I would
never dream of having them.

So, if there is someone here who does NOT have the entire series in
Ebooks and would like to NOT contact me, and NOT arrange to email them
to me, then of course, please do NOT.

And if the person who did NOT send me my previous versions which were
NOT lost in a recent hard drive crash; if that person could NOT
contact me again, then I will NOT give them my new email address so
that they can NOT send me new copies.

(nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

Steve/bboyminn






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Oct 16 00:50:44 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:50:44 -0700
Subject: Computer shopping too Re: Strictly Forbidden Ebooks
Message-ID: <1a2738400510151750j670d0010n41f7a089586223f1@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/15/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Of course possession of HP ebooks is strictly forbidden, and I would
> never dream of having them.

LOL!

I'm watching Home Shopping Network during the Gateway hour, and *man*,
I *want* (don't need, just *really*, REALLY *want*) a new computer. 
This computer is a Gateway (PIII 650, 384ram, 20gig, Win98SE) and I've
got good 'mileage' (running days straight, heavy internet usage, video
editing hogging up resources on top of the previous two) from this
puppy since March 2000, except now it's not holding up too well... as
in it stalled out and crashed just minutes ago. :-\

A new computer would also mean I could use programs I shouldn't
have... Software isn't all I've collected over time... {nudge, nudge,
wink, wink}

{sigh} I can't justify spending the money on a new computer.  Still, I
want a new Gateway. {sulks}

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 16 06:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 16 Oct 2005 06:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1129442525.21.64182.m14@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 16 17:02:04 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 16 Oct 2005 17:02:04 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1129482124.19.71605.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 16, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 16 17:41:25 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:41:25 -0000
Subject: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
Message-ID: <diu3c5+9dla@eGroups.com>

Dungrollin wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29013 :

<< then what's to stop the Weasleys transfiguring pebbles into
Galleons? >>

Presumably the Goblins who make Galleons do something to them 
with Goblin magic that can't be imitated by wizard magic, so that
counterfeits can be detected, but that was not mentioned when 
Hermione handed out counterfeit Galleons as DA meeting notices.

What stops the Weasleys from transfiguring autumn leaves into nice
unshabby robes and pajamas? Or charming the robes and pajamas they
have into better ones?

Clever and magically powerful as all those Weasleys are, why don't 
the kids hot-rod up their brooms?

Steve bboymin in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29017 :

<< JKR has said that if a person is transfigure into an animal, they
take on the brain of the animal and like aren't smart enough to bring
themselves back. That implies a certain permanence. >>

If a powerful wizard/witch transfigures an animal into a human, does
it gain human intelligence? As use of language is part of what it
means to be human, is fluent knowledge of a language already installed
in the new  human brain? The human language it's heard all its life,
or the language the wizard/witch speaks?






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 16 19:12:12 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:12:12 -0000
Subject: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: <diu3c5+9dla@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <diu8mc+d3e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
>
> Dungrollin wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29013 :
> 
> << then what's to stop the Weasleys transfiguring pebbles into
> Galleons? >>
> 
> Presumably the Goblins who make Galleons do something to them 
> with Goblin magic that can't be imitated by wizard magic, so that
> counterfeits can be detected, but that was not mentioned when 
> Hermione handed out counterfeit Galleons as DA meeting notices.
> 
> ...edited..
> 

bboyminn:

Of course, the standard answer is that objects that are conjured are
not permanent, so I suspect that objects that are transformed in this
way are also not permanent. 

In addition, while you may be able to transfigure objects to look like
Galleons, would they really be Galleons, would they really be made out
of gold? Remember the whole purpose of Alchemy is the conversion of
matter; specifically the transmutation of base metals into gold. If
you could simply transfigure objects, there would be little need for
Alchemy. But we know that Alchemy exists, so one could conclude that
the transfiguation of 'objects' into true gold is not possible.

JKR said when she set up her world, she set specific limits on it, and
one of the limits prevented people from performing conjuring, and by
extention transfiguration, in just the manner described. Magic or no
magic, you still have to work for a living.

And for the record, I'm not trying to shoot down Catlady's idea,
merely expanding on the subject.


> Steve bboymin in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29017 :
> 
> << JKR has said that if a person is transfigure into an animal, they
> take on the brain of the animal and like aren't smart enough to 
> bring themselves back. That implies a certain permanence. >>

> Catlady:
> 
> If a powerful wizard/witch transfigures an animal into a human, does
> it gain human intelligence? As use of language is part of what it
> means to be human, is fluent knowledge of a language already 
> installed in the new  human brain? The human language it's heard all
> its life, or the language the wizard/witch speaks?
>

bboyminn:

Never thought about that before, but it is a reasonable assumption.
However, one very important thing would be missing in an animal to
human transformation, and that of course is /education/. Language and
speech, as well as general knowledge and critical/analytical thinking
are learned experiences. An animal to human transformation would have
the capacity to talk and reason, but no experience or education that
would provide the foundation for language, general knowledge, or
critical thought.

Just making things up.

Steve/bboyminn







From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 19:59:48 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:59:48 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 2064
Message-ID: <c.4f565ba8.30840b34@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 10/14/2005 6:29:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

Seeing  my father in a history book... it's somewhat surreal to be  
honest.


Thanks for sharing that, Shaun. Yes, it is surreal, a jolt to our  reality.  
I haven't had that happen but have had similar shocks---my 7  year old son on 
the front of the local newspaper, myself quoted in a distant  newspaper...
 
How is the rest of your family reacting?
 
---Mary
"Nobody reads just comics; eventually, you read  everything."
Stan Lee


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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Oct 16 20:05:41 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:05:41 EDT
Subject: Strictly Forbidden Ebooks
Message-ID: <212.b9c51f9.30840c95@aol.com>

 
 
"Steve" _bboyminn at yahoo.com_ (mailto:bboyminn at yahoo.com)   writes: 
Of course possession of HP ebooks is strictly forbidden, and I  would
never dream of having them.




Thank you very much, Steve. As a result of your message, I did a Luna  
Lovegood imitation and laughed myself onto the floor, shedding enough tears to  
float the giant squid and generally feeling much better than I have in a long,  
long time.

 
---Mary
"Nobody reads just comics; eventually, you read  everything."
Stan Lee


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From seuferer at netins.net  Mon Oct 17 03:25:40 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:25:40 -0000
Subject: Phoenix Rising, a new Harry Potter Role Playing Game
Message-ID: <div5jk+850k@eGroups.com>


PHOENIX RISING

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Now, five years after the end of the war, Hogwarts is almost ready to be reopened. In anticipation of this event, Minerva McGonagall, Headmistress of the school, has sent out invitations to a reunion for all Hogwarts students, a three-day event to be held in Hogsmeade. However, many known followers of the Dark Lord remain at large, and though the wizarding world has been lulled into a sense of security, much is still uncertain. Rumours of Death Eater activity begin to stir as suspicious occurrences are reported with an alarming frequency. 

The reunion is just the beginning...

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From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 21:06:53 2005
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:06:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Part of History
In-Reply-To: <43501452.20821.B0CA4D@localhost>
References: <dife3t+o2l3@eGroups.com> <dinfr6+hve6@eGroups.com>
	 <43501452.20821.B0CA4D@localhost>
Message-ID: <d4a040d0510171406t49d6c751x8a0b62a6dcfbeaa2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/14/05, Shaun Hately <drednort at alphalink.com.au> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> The man staring out at us in that image is my father. Edward Owen
> Hately.
>
> Seeing my father in a history book... it's somewhat surreal to be
> honest.
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought

  Tonya:
 That is totally cool Shaun!! Thanks for sharing!!
 Tonya


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 17 21:22:22 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:22:22 -0000
Subject: News from Salem
In-Reply-To: <dinfr6+hve6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dj14me+3bpl@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:

> 
> I stayed in Danvers so I was driving a lot and lost a lot. Missed 
> some of the talks. I enjoyed the one with the writers explaining 
how 
> to get published. And the ones about Snape, of course. Most of the 
> folks I met were part of the fanfiction group and not part of 
> HPFGU's group. I would have liked to meet you and SSSusan and the 
> others. I wondered if the Hogshead Barmaid was there. She would be 
a 
> fun person too, I bet. 
> 
> I stayed an extra day because I was in a car accident. So Monday 
> night I did get to stay at the Hawthorne Hotel and I loved it. They 
> were so nice to me, even helped me find a Chevy dealer to look at 
> the car the next day. The city was different with our group gone. 
We 
> gave it a special flavor. I loved walking down the steets boldly in 
> my wizard robes and seeing everyone else dressed up too. Salem was 
> just made for us!!
> 
> Tonks_op


Alla:

Ooops, I missed your reply for some reason. Sorry about that. Have 
you stayed in Sheraton? That WAS a drive, wasn't it? When we had to 
get on the bus to get to there to welcoming banquet, that was like 
half an hour drive. 

I was glad that there were almost no presentations in Sheraton. We 
stayed in Beverley, so we had to take a train in the morning. It is 
only one station ( like four  or five minutes), but we also had to 
walk fifteen -twenty minutes to the station. Nice morning exercise. :)
I am so sorry about your accident. Are you OK? I loved Hawthorne 
hotel library, it was quite cozy.

Which presentation you are talking about on publishing? The one which 
took place in Hawthorne library? Because KathyK and myself were there 
too. :-)

and yes, Salem looked nice with  people in robes walking everythere. 

Alla







From vere412 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 19 00:22:09 2005
From: vere412 at yahoo.com (Vere412)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:22:09 -0000
Subject: Richmond's Diagon alley -World Cup - Yule Ball, ON ICE. Premier for GoF
Message-ID: <dj43jh+8m98@eGroups.com>

Hi, I've never posted here before, but I was told this is the proper 
thread for our announcement. So here goes.



"Diagon Alley - World Cup - Yule Ball"
Nov. 18, 19, 20, 2005


It started in July for the "Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince" 
book launch at Book People in Richmond, Virginia. That first "Diagon 
Alley"attracted thousands from up and down the whole east coast and 
several foreign countries. The tiny book shop was swamped. 

Now, bowing to fan pressure to see it again, Richmond, Virginia's 
own Diagon Alley will reappear between SkateNation Plus, and Regal 
Cinema 14, at Short Pump Downtown on Pouncey Tract Rd. for the 
opening weekend of Warner Bros. "Harry Potter and the Goblet of 
Fire." The event will feature the grand reopening of the redesigned 
SkateNation Plus where Ireland and Bulgaria will play The Quidditch 
World Cup Match ON ICE, and ice dancers will perform The Yule Ball 
ON ICE!!

Scholastic 12-year old champions will play the pieces in The Giant 
Chess Game. The Hogwarts' Choir will prove once again that they 
really can sing the school song to each singer's favorite tune. The 
Yule Ball dancers in formal evening clothes will teach fans to 
waltz, and the Phantasmal Ferret Familiars will perform. Meanwhile, 
the Alley has magically grown to more than twice its original size. 
All the familiar shops and characters will be returning for a new 
three-day run. 

It will still be non-profit and remains free to the public. And this 
time Diagon Alley will number several New Orleans survivors among 
its volunteers, and will be hosting several service organizations 
for Katrina relief.


See http://www.cinemind.com/diagonalley/ for more information.










From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 20 18:28:27 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:28:27 -0000
Subject: Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
Message-ID: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com>

I know this is way off topic, but I'm curious how many Windows 98
users are out there. I still use Win98se, but it's getting harder and
harder to find software.

I went to Apple's Movie Trailer site and most of the movie trailers
wouldn't play because Apple has upgraded Quicktime to Version 7
includes iTunes and doesn't support Win98. Also, I am starting to have
USB problems with my old computer; I know WinXP does a much better job
at USB.

So, I'm just curious, how many people here are still using Win98?

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 19:11:51 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:11:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com>
References: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/20/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know this is way off topic, but I'm curious how many Windows 98
> users are out there. I still use Win98se, but it's getting harder and
> harder to find software.

Heh, I already made a post I was still using Win98SE and so *wanted* a
new computer that *comfortably* handle a newer OS because many of the
software I *coughunofficiallycough* try doesn't work on older systems.

Though, look on the bright side, newer software isn't the only thing
ignoring Win98... Various new worms and other security hazaards
frequently don't bother coming up with hacks for Win98 since it's
outdated.


> I went to Apple's Movie Trailer site and most of the movie trailers
> wouldn't play because Apple has upgraded Quicktime to Version 7
> includes iTunes and doesn't support Win98. Also, I am starting to have

I can't use iTunes at home.  I only recently registered for an iTunes
account... at work on an eMac with the latest Tiger OS X upgrades
(because my boss is a Mac lover - even had to upgrade to that new
'Mighty Mouse' for his PowerMac).  Err, thankfully... or hopefully,
this Mac keyboard was inexpensive since I spilled cola soda on it and
stuck it under a shower to rinse out most of the soda, but
unfortunately, the keyboard is clear acrylic/plastic and you can still
see inside these brown 'sticky' drink stains a little if you flip it
over.

Love cheap PC keyboards for hiding all the stuff dropped on and inside them.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct 20 19:31:54 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:31:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
References: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com> <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

I still use Win98 SE.  I've managed to get around most complications but it still would be nice for an upgrade if a fairy decided I was worthy (can't afford even a cheap, basic model for a new computer at this time).

It's not the windows giving me problems, it's my 64 memory card.  Only one 'major' program at a time and when I'm done with that I have to reboot to get the memory back.  *makes face*


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From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 20 20:07:09 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:07:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
References: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com> <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com> <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <00dc01c5d5b1$fd8051a0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>

You can upgrade your memory card for a lot less than the
price of a computer. And it is something that you can do
yourself. Look in your owner's manual. It will tell you
exactly what kind of memory card to get, and exactly
how to put it in. It will also tell you the maximum memory
your computer can handle. I have Windows ME, and I have
upgraded mine. Inside your computer you probably have
at least two slots for memory cards. You can get a 128
or 256 and put with your 64, or you can get two 128, etc.
Your computer is like mine and probably 512 is the max.
You can work your way up to that, by adding progressively
larger memory cards. Just do like I did the first time -
take your owner's manual to Office Depot / Best Buy /
Radio Shack, etc, and tell them that you want to upgrade
the memory. They will look in your book, find the right
memory card for you, and tell you how to put it it. The
last memory cards I bought were about $100.00.
Jenny

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Saitaina 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?


  I still use Win98 SE.  I've managed to get around most complications but it still would be nice for an upgrade if a fairy decided I was worthy (can't afford even a cheap, basic model for a new computer at this time).

  It's not the windows giving me problems, it's my 64 memory card.  Only one 'major' program at a time and when I'm done with that I have to reboot to get the memory back.  *makes face*


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 20:17:22 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:17:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
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On 10/20/05, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> be nice for an upgrade if a fairy decided I was worthy (can't afford even a cheap, basic model for a new computer at this time).
>

Most of us are 'worthy' of getting new computers... even you. ;-)  But
no one funds 'worthy' folk, unless you've got some serious connections
(fairy, indeed)... Hehe, not going into wank land on that again.

I could probably get a new computer but then I'd be unhappy in the
long run because of having to pay the expense back and then the guilt
of postponing necessary repairs and whatnot.

Maybe around Christmas I won't feel so guilty... I'll just keep
telling myself that. ;-)  I've had to shut off javascript because
Gmail *completely* freezes my home computer with IE or crashes
Firefox... Err, most of my mail is now on Gmail.  Though, the plus
side is, without javascript, the entire subject line is listed in the
incoming, etc folders.


> It's not the windows giving me problems, it's my 64 memory card.  Only one 'major' program at a time and when I'm done with that I have to reboot to get the memory back.  *makes face*
>

You mean RAM?  Ouch!  I haven't had such a small amount since the late
1990s.  My first computer, back in... 1995?, had only 32megs of RAM.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 20:21:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:21:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c5d5b1$fd8051a0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>
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On 10/20/05, bamajenny12 <BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Your computer is like mine and probably 512 is the max.
> You can work your way up to that, by adding progressively

Y'all must have newer motherboards because mine maxes out at 384megs,
which it's currently maxed out.  Anything more isn't acknowledged and
slows the computer down.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 20:51:51 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:51:51 -0400
Subject: Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way
Message-ID: <1a2738400510201351i2530d2ccr34d052c67a43d413@mail.gmail.com>

Y'know, Hurricane Wilma is heading for south Florida and I'm worried
about a new computer... God, I have a twisted sense of priorities as a
Floridiot.

Wishing good luck to the south Floridians!  Rugged lot down there.  A
category 1-2 hurricane and they're like 'that the best you can do,
Mother Nature, bring it on, bitch'! {snort}  Bad humor.

Dina



From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 20 20:53:33 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:53:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
References: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com> <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com> <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <00dc01c5d5b1$fd8051a0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com> <1a2738400510201321g296c9756kcd8777a138678d8b@mail.gmail.com>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dina Lerret 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?


  Y'all must have newer motherboards because mine maxes out at 384megs,
  which it's currently maxed out.  Anything more isn't acknowledged and
  slows the computer down.

  Dina

  Jenny says:
  Dina, my computer is actually Millenium Edition. That
  may be the difference.


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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct 20 20:54:43 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:54:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
References: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com> <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com> <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid> <1a2738400510201317u2b2c27d8p7f87e6293957a861@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c5d5b8$7fe46360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

<You mean RAM?>

Yup.  PSP 9 rather hates that small amount.  And since I use that the most often...

As for upgrading the memory, I could but taking apart an Astro is far more effort then it's worth somedays.  Plus the 100$ is more money then I have at any given time.  *pats computer*  this will serve until mum buys my new one for Yule/Birthday/whenever she saves it up.



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From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 20 20:57:36 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:57:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way
References: <1a2738400510201351i2530d2ccr34d052c67a43d413@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a401c5d5b8$ef467cc0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dina Lerret 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:51 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way


  Y'know, Hurricane Wilma is heading for south Florida and I'm worried
  about a new computer... God, I have a twisted sense of priorities as a
  Floridiot.

  From Jenny:
  Dina, are you also a resident of the Plywood State?
  I'm in Panama City. Where are you?
  Jenny


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From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Thu Oct 20 21:14:47 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:14:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4357D087.12317.CC011@localhost>

On 20 Oct 2005 at 18:28, Steve wrote:

> I know this is way off topic, but I'm curious how many Windows 98
> users are out there. I still use Win98se, but it's getting harder and
> harder to find software.

I'm using Win98SE on my seven-to-ten year old laptop (a blazing 133MHz CPU and 
all of 48M memory, whee), but I switched years ago to XP for my desktop at home.  
What kind of programs are you looking for for 98?

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com

What were you in your pants that was still pining over and went to the
businessman?
          -- 'Atlanta Nights', by Travis Tea (chapter 34)



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 21:17:38 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:17:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5d5b8$7fe46360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
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On 10/20/05, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> <You mean RAM?>
>
> Yup.  PSP 9 rather hates that small amount.  And since I use that the most often...
>
> As for upgrading the memory, I could but taking apart an Astro is far more effort then

Astro?  Ruh-ro, George... okay, bad Jetsons impression.  Gateway
model, though, if memory is correct.

>
it's worth somedays.  Plus the 100$ is more money then I have at any
given time.  *pats computer*  this will serve until mum buys my new
one for Yule/Birthday/whenever she saves it up.
>

:-)  Hehe, we're both hoping for a bit more this holiday season.


On 10/20/05, bamajenny12 <BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Dina, my computer is actually Millenium Edition. That
>   may be the difference.

Hm, not necessarily.  A person can have a newer operating system, but
if the motherboard can't support the extra RAM, then it's not going to
work.

Dina



From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Thu Oct 20 21:21:56 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:21:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <002d01c5d5ac$ee44baa0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <4357D234.2622.134D48@localhost>

On 20 Oct 2005 at 12:31, Saitaina wrote:

> It's not the windows giving me problems, it's my 64 memory card. Only one 
> 'major' program at a time and when I'm done with that I have to reboot to get 
> the memory back. *makes face*

Saitaina, there's a lovely little freeware program available, called RAMDef, which can 
automatically clean your computer's memory when it hits a trigger level.  I tried to 
open the site just now and got an error, but I have an installation copy of the 
program, if you'd like to give it a try; I can email it to you.  It works great on 98SE.  :-D

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com

What were you in your pants that was still pining over and went to the
businessman?
          -- 'Atlanta Nights', by Travis Tea (chapter 34)



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 20 22:00:27 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:00:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5d5b8$ef467cc0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>
References: <1a2738400510201351i2530d2ccr34d052c67a43d413@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1a2738400510201500x64fcf64vcc973da529b6906f@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/20/05, bamajenny12 <BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Dina, are you also a resident of the Plywood State?

Yep.  As a matter of fact, I went to Home Depot yesterday evening and
they had a sale on plywood. {g}  Actually, I went to Sam's Club,
Walmart, Kmart, Home Depot, Lowe's, and then Target just to find an
oscillating fan since my old one burned out (literally with the
included electrical burn smell filling the room).  Only Target had
them (less than half a dozen in stock) because the stores were
stocking up on heaters... *heaters* in Florida?!  Dude, we don't need
no eff'ing heaters until November. {g}


>   I'm in Panama City. Where are you?

Tampa Bay area, specifically Clearwater.

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct 20 22:32:54 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:32:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
References: <4357D234.2622.134D48@localhost>
Message-ID: <002401c5d5c6$383d27a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Tammy that would be lovely if you could email that to me.  There are days I want to shove the computer out the window for all the problems it causes.  Of course, knowing my luck, it would just beep at me angrily if I tried that.

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 20 22:53:30 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:53:30 -0000
Subject: Way OT: How Many Win98 Users? - Thanks
In-Reply-To: <dj8nkb+uie7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dj975a+kjgi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>
> I know this is way off topic, but I'm curious how many Windows 98
> users are out there. I still use Win98se, ...
> 
> ... Apple has upgraded Quicktime to Version 7 includes iTunes and 
> doesn't support Win98. 
>
> Just curious.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

bboyminn:

Thanks everyone, good to know I'm not alone.

One of the reasons I resist getting WinXP is because every computer
I've used that has had it is slower than a dead dog in January. I'm
not so sure the actual computing is that much slower but the interface
seems to drag. 

Of course, WinXP starts countless unnecessary /processes/ that eat up
tremendous computer time. Many of the processes can be disabled, but
it's a headache trying to sort out which can and can't be removed.
Note: I have an AMD 900Mhz (with 512Mb, DVD, CD-RW, Epson Scanner,
HP-952 USP/Parallel Printer, and a DSL Line) that generally works fine
with Win98, plenty fast, the computers I've tried with WinXP have had
2.5Ghz processors, annoyingly slow. 

As I said, I tried to get the latest Quicktime movie viewer, but Apple
has stopped supporting Win98 altogether. The latest version, V7, only
supports Win2000 and WinXP. Thankfully I found a download sight that
still had Quicktime 6.5 available. Hopefully it will work. But it's
more than just the Quicktime version. Apple is switching their new
movie trailers to iTunes format (whatever that is). So, not only the
player, but the movie format is incompatable with Win98.

This all started when I had a hard drive crash, lost everything and I
mean everything. Bought a new hard drive, reinstalled Win98Se and have
had nothing but troubles. Eventually I discovered that there was a
problem with my Video card. I was getting constant lock-ups and
shutdowns, and just out of curiousity, I tried an ancient video card I
had laying around and my computer is about as stable now as Win98 ever
was. 

But I'm still having problems getting my scanner (USB) to work.
Eventually, I decided that the original install, which worked, had the
on-board USB 1.0 installed. Later, I installed a USB 2.0 Card and
disabled the USB 1.0. That work in all configurations. Now, even
though the USB ports and the Scanner all seem to be installed
properly, I can't get the Scanner working. Finally, I removed the USB
2.0 Card and re-activated the on-board USB 1.0 ports, then my Scanner
worked OK; not perfect, but OK. Then, ...are you getting tired of
hearing all this..., I installed the latest Windows Media Player (v9.0
or something)which has absolutely nothing to do with USB, but now my
Scanner is acting up again; it almost works.

WinXP has native built-in USB support, whereas Win98 merely has it
tacked on, so I'm thinking I could solve a lot of my problems if I
just installed WinXP.

Now to complicate matters futher, I ordered a replacement video card
to replace the piece of crap I was temporarily using. Of course, the
new card didn't work because my motherboard (build yr 2000) doesn't
support the latest AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) specification. So,
I sent the new video card back and asked them for a recommendation.
Hopefully in a week or so, I should have a new video card. Then again,
maybe not.

I could buy a new computer, but the configuration I want would cost
about $600+ without the monitor, and I could part with that, I do have
savings, but at the same time that I have savings, I also have an
extremely low income. 

So, is my computer too old to cut the mustard or not? Who knows. Does
it really have some major problems on the verge of showing themselves
or has it just outlived it's old operating system? Who knows.

On the subject of memory. My brother just tried to upgrade the memory
in his EMachine which I think is about 500Mhz. It would only take
128Mb memories and then only the very old style. The problem with new
memory (DDR - Double Data Rate) is it uses a completely new
technology, where as the older memory (PC100/PC133 SDRAM) is ancient
technology that is not being updated; it's stagnant. So, 512Mb of new
DDR cost $40, but in the old technology for $40 you only get 128Mb of
SDRAM. 

By todays standards, if your computer isn't at least 500Mhz with 256Mb
of memory, you are computing in the dark ages. Personally, although
I'm completely satisfied with my computer, I am merely in the /dim/
ages of computing.

Sorry to ramble on so long, but sometimes a good RANT can be helpfull.

Steve/bboyminn






From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Fri Oct 21 01:24:12 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:24:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <002401c5d5c6$383d27a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <43580AFC.30128.F11AEE@localhost>

On 20 Oct 2005 at 15:32, Saitaina wrote:

> 
> Tammy that would be lovely if you could email that to me. There are days I want 
> to shove the computer out the window for all the problems it causes. Of course, 
> knowing my luck, it would just beep at me angrily if I tried that.

On its way privately!  :-)

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com

What were you in your pants that was still pining over and went to the
businessman?
          -- 'Atlanta Nights', by Travis Tea (chapter 34)



From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 21 02:08:24 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Bamajenny)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:08:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way
References: <1a2738400510201351i2530d2ccr34d052c67a43d413@mail.gmail.com> <01a401c5d5b8$ef467cc0$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com> <1a2738400510201500x64fcf64vcc973da529b6906f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013d01c5d5e4$b4c0a130$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

From: Dina Lerret 
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:00 PM

Tampa Bay area, specifically Clearwater.

Dina


I'll wave at you the next time I go visit my brother
in Fort Lauderdale! :-))
Jenny

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From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Oct 21 13:39:27 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:39:27 -0000
Subject: Update of Lost Souls Found at Occlumency
Message-ID: <djar2f+rgfr@eGroups.com>


Lost Souls Found 

http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3381

Chapter 23: Consummation 

There be lemons!

Severus Snape/OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. Voldemort is out in the open. Severus Snape is actively involved in Death Eater activities because of his role as spy for the Order of the Phoenix. A researcher from the Ministry for Magic offers to aid and assist Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potions master, whom she knew slightly from school. Rated L (NC-17) for romantic/sexual content in later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings with the horrors of a Magical War. Overall a romance, but war is gruesome. Way too much plot for those who like PWP.

This story is cannon-compliant through OotP, AU to HBP. It is complete, but is not posted in its entirety at Occlumency yet, as it is going through its final beta-revisions, edits and verifications. This has been a nearly two-year long WIP. If you have read and enjoyed the story at other archives, I encourage you to consider re-reading it here. It has been thoroughly Brit-picked, grammar-mechanics polished, and I have repaired minor consistency errors, as well as more effectively explained and filled `plot holes'. 

Because of the length of the story, it might be a more manageable `read' to handle in smaller doses.

I adore reviews of all sorts, including criticisms so don't be shy!

Please note?SH is currently buried under an influx of new submissions. A large portion of its admin team are university students currently buried under midterm work and the like. Validation process is just a little slower right now than usual. Please do not `complain' to the SH admins for this on my behalf, as I am perfectly content with the archive and its management, and very grateful for the time and effort put forth by its volunteer staff. My story needs the validation process, and I am content to be patient. I thank you for your concern, and please believe me when I say that the story will not be abandoned?it is already complete, it will get posted, in its entirety, at Occlumency eventually.

Cheers!

Shanti

http://www.hauntedchambers.net/

Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Role Playing Game run by adults

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=the_rising

Phoenix Rising, a LiveJournal, post-war, post-Hogwarts Harry Potter Role Playing game, slash and het adult content permitted. No players under 17 permitted.



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 22 21:04:21 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:04:21 -0000
Subject: Filk, Alchemy, and Transfiguration
Message-ID: <dje9gl+1ppk@eGroups.com>

Hey, NPR's 'Day to Day' show did an article on a Filk convention.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4967052 (altho'
Mary Creasy is really prettier than in that photo, and one of the
nicest people I have ever met).

Steve bboyminn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29034 :

<< Remember the whole purpose of Alchemy is the conversion of
matter; specifically the transmutation of base metals into gold. >>

No, the whole purpose of Alchemy is making the Philosopher's Stone. In
RL, the Philosopher's Stone transmutes base metals into gold as a
symbol of the spiritual transformation that the alchemist underwent in
the process of making the Stone; something like Christians being 'born
again' or Buddhists having 'enlightment'. Even in the Potterverse,
where the Stone is very material, transmuting base metals into gold is
less materially valuable than the Elixir of Life! Think how much you
could sell small dose of that stuff for!

<< However, one very important thing would be missing in an animal to
human transformation, and that of course is /education/. Language and
speech, as well as general knowledge and critical/analytical thinking
are learned experiences. An animal to human transformation would have
the capacity to talk and reason, but no experience or education that
would provide the foundation for language, general knowledge, or
critical thought. >>

Yes, but if magic can create an adult human brain, why couldn't it
just as well create an adult human brain containing the memories and
neural connections of a native language, as well being toilet-trained
and knowing to put on clothes? Transfiguration doesn't seem to have
any conservation of mass, so why should it have conservation of knowledge?






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 23 06:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 23 Oct 2005 06:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1130047325.19.65320.m32@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 23, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 23 17:02:20 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 23 Oct 2005 17:02:20 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1130086940.24.51305.m21@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 23, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 23 20:25:10 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:25:10 -0000
Subject: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
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bboyminn wrote:
> Of course, the standard answer is that objects that are conjured are
not permanent, so I suspect that objects that are transformed in this
way are also not permanent. 
> 
> In addition, while you may be able to transfigure objects to look
like Galleons, would they really be Galleons, would they really be
made out of gold? Remember the whole purpose of Alchemy is the
conversion of matter; specifically the transmutation of base metals
into gold. If you could simply transfigure objects, there would be
little need for Alchemy. But we know that Alchemy exists, so one could
conclude that the transfiguation of 'objects' into true gold is not
possible.

Carol responds:
What about true silver? Wormtail's silver hand appears to be permanent
(and very strong, given the twig that he crushes to powder when he
first receives it). And yet it seems to be conjured out of thin air.
And if it's true silver, might it be lethal to a werewolf? (I'm
thinking of Fenrir Greyback, if he's at large or escapes from Azkaban,
not Remus Lupin.)
> 
bboyminn:
> JKR said when she set up her world, she set specific limits on it,
and one of the limits prevented people from performing conjuring, and
by extention transfiguration, in just the manner described. Magic or
no magic, you still have to work for a living.

Carol responds:
I agree with your logic regarding the impossibility (in the
Potterverse) of conjuring real money, food, clothing, etc., but I
don't think JKR is consistent in the limits she places on conjured
objects. On the one hand, Sirius Black has to eat real food from the
kitchens of Hogwarts--he can't borrow a wand and conjure some. The
Weasleys are poor; Remus Lupin wears the same tattered robes. (Maybe
Tonks will learn domestic spells to repair them, but why doesn't
someone just buy him some self-cleaning, self-repairing robes from
Madam Malkins?) Leprechaun gold vanishes, and yet we have seemingly
permanent conjured objects like Wormtail's silver hand.

bboyminn:
<snip>
> However, one very important thing would be missing in an animal to
human transformation, and that of course is /education/. Language and
speech, as well as general knowledge and critical/analytical thinking
are learned experiences. An animal to human transformation would have
the capacity to talk and reason, but no experience or education that
would provide the foundation for language, general knowledge, or
critical thought. <snip>

Carol responds:
It might depend on whether the transformed animal was magical or not.
Magical animals, e.g., Hedwig, Crookshanks, and Mrs. Norris,
understand human speech and seem to have some capacity for thought
already. (Owls can apparently read or magically sense the addresses on
the letters they carry, or even magically locate a person whose
address is not given. Part-Kneazle cats can detect suspicious
characters, much like animated Sneakoscopes.) A larger, more complex
human brain and the capacity for speech might be all such creatures
need to become fully human once they're given human form--possibly
retaining the powers they already had as animals as well. However, I
don't think anyone but Dumbledore would have that sort of power, and
he's no longer available to demonstrate it. 

Or maybe the only animals that can be turned into humans are animagi
in their animal form. If Scabbers hadn't really been Pettigrew in PoA,
he would have remained Scabbers when Lupin and Black cast their spell
to transform him. (Conversely, I wonder if the transfiguration of
Draco into a ferret would have been permanent if Crouch!Moody or
another adult hadn't reversed it.)

Carol, agreeing that there *are* limits to both Transfiguration and
conjuration (which seems not to be taught at Hogwarts) but still
mystified by the silver hand







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 23 20:48:12 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:48:12 -0000
Subject: Way OT: How Many Win98 Users?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510201211r23a6985bw38c2d22f73f3e0a2@mail.gmail.com>
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Steve <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> > I know this is way off topic, but I'm curious how many Windows 98
users are out there. I still use Win98se, but it's getting harder and
harder to find software.
> 
> Heh, I already made a post I was still using Win98SE and so *wanted*
a new computer that *comfortably* handle a newer OS because many of
the software I *coughunofficiallycough* try doesn't work on older systems.
> 
> Though, look on the bright side, newer software isn't the only thing
ignoring Win98... Various new worms and other security hazaards
frequently don't bother coming up with hacks for Win98 since it's
outdated. <snip>

Carol adds:
Add me to the list of people who still use Windows 98. Thanks for
pointing out the advantage of retaining it, Dina. I knew there had to
be one--other than not having to fork out $800.00 or whatever for a
new computer. (And since I don't have a CD-RW drive, I have no idea
how to transfer all the stuff I have stored on this hard drive to a
new computer.) What I really *do* need is a faster modem. Anyone
besides me spend *hours* trying to download the new HP trailer only to
find that it couldn't even be saved to their hard drive? (I have the
medium-res Windows media Player version, but the high-res version
won't save and the super-high res won't even load properly. And the
QuickTime versions not only take ten years to load, they won't save at
all.)

Carol, fondly remembering the days when she was not yet enslaved to
the Internet (The WW has Voldemort. Does the WWW have Voldienet?)







From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Oct 24 09:38:26 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:38:26 -0000
Subject: Voldemort - we ain't seen nothin' yet!
Message-ID: <djia2i+r3ae@eGroups.com>

Perusing Mugglenet (as I am wont to do on occasion) I came across a 
report from someone who has seen the press preview of Goblet of 
Fire.  It warns for spoilers (so don't go there if you don't want to 
know what WB have done with the story - and I won't divulge too much 
either).  Anyway, he says we should go to the cinema with an open 
mind and not worry about what they have or haven't got in from the 
book (safe in the knowledge that we know the nuances and the true 
gems of wit and literary greatness that Jo first created).
It sounds as if the visual effects are stunning (but we knew that 
already from the trailers), we don't get to see much Quidditch at the 
World Cup, and Bill (ahh, Bill), Charlie, Percy and Molly are all 
absent, as are Dobby, Winky and Rita Skeeter's animagus alter ego.
Anyway the point that I am gradually (and some would say repetitively 
and rather labouriously) getting to is that we haven't seen Voldemort 
yet.

What we have seen apparently, is the weakened Voldy before he's 
rejuvinated - and it sounds like this guy (whoever the lucky so and 
so was) felt the transformation was really something, and I've read 
that although minimal make up was used, even Ralph Fiennes's nephews 
didn't recognise him ... Mmm

Not sure I would go for Voldy but I feel a crush coming on - Barty 
Crouch Jnr looks really quite evil and deranged (I fell for David 
Tennant as Casanova AND I get to enjoy him in Dr Who very soon!!!  
Yippee!!!)and of course we get the luscious Lucius (Jason Isaacs just 
has to look a certain way and my knees wobble), oh, and lets not 
forget Snape ... I just always fall for the bad guy! I'm soooo 
excited about this new film, almost as excited as I was for HBP - can 
I cope with all of it in less than 6 months? Answers on a 
postcard ... 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Oct 24 13:44:10 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:44:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Frivolous things to think on when a hurricane is on its way
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On 10/20/05, Bamajenny <BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'll wave at you the next time I go visit my brother
> in Fort Lauderdale! :-))

:-)

I'm at work and there's 'tropical storm' weather going on.  The
Verizon store a couple suites down covered up their glass front with
plywood--evidently took advantage of the Home Depot sale just a little
drive up the road.  Hm, I'm thinking it may not be a good idea to be
at work and less than several feet away from an entire glass 'wall'...
Nah, the Verizon folk are the only ones to bother in the entire plaza.
{g}  Plus, half the office lights don't work... probably a breaker but
I'm not sticking my hands into a panel I'm not familiar with.

Dina



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 16:45:08 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: <djgrj6+fa82@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051025164508.38804.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com>



bboyminn wrote:
> Of course, the standard answer is that objects that are conjured are
not permanent, so I suspect that objects that are transformed in this
way are also not permanent. 
> 
> In addition, while you may be able to transfigure objects to look
like Galleons, would they really be Galleons, would they really be
made out of gold? Remember the whole purpose of Alchemy is the
conversion of matter; specifically the transmutation of base metals
into gold. If you could simply transfigure objects, there would be
little need for Alchemy. But we know that Alchemy exists, so one could
conclude that the transfiguation of 'objects' into true gold is not
possible.

Carol responded:
What about true silver? Wormtail's silver hand appears to be permanent
(and very strong, given the twig that he crushes to powder when he
first receives it). And yet it seems to be conjured out of thin air.
And if it's true silver, might it be lethal to a werewolf? (I'm
thinking of Fenrir Greyback, if he's at large or escapes from Azkaban,
not Remus Lupin.)
> 

Kemper now:
And has Wormtail's Silver hand locked him to his human form?  Or can he make the change to rat?  
If rat, then does the silver hand change to paw or silver paw?  Or is he some freak rat with a silver, human-esque hand?
 
Carol, are you suggesting Wormtail's (I hesitate to use the word) redemption is saving Harry from Greyback?  Or that Greyback attacks Wormtail in some full-moon lunacy, and Wormtail, frightened and wandless, flails his fists about accidentally maiming/killing Greyback even though Greyback does land a killing claw on Wormtail's treacherous jugular?  Because if you're suggesting this last one, I like it a lot.  
 
Kemper



		
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 20:05:09 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bad guy: was Voldemort - we ain't seen nothin' yet!
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Message-ID: <20051025200509.21878.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com>

Sarah wrote:
 
...edit some movie stuff...


Not sure I would go for Voldy but I feel a crush coming on - Barty 
Crouch Jnr looks really quite evil and deranged (I fell for David 
Tennant as Casanova AND I get to enjoy him in Dr Who very soon!!!  
Yippee!!!)and of course we get the luscious Lucius (Jason Isaacs just 
has to look a certain way and my knees wobble), oh, and lets not 
forget Snape ... I just always fall for the bad guy! 
 
Kemper now:
I'll have to re-read the books before I can agree to your assessment of Crouch Jr and Lucius.  But Snape?  A bad guy?!  When it's so clearly evident that he's good? <G>
 
 
 
 
 



		
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From plungy116 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 10:02:55 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:02:55 -0000
Subject: Bad guy: was Voldemort - we ain't seen nothin' yet!
In-Reply-To: <20051025200509.21878.qmail@web51602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <djnk8f+qbvg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
>
> Sarah wrote:
>  
> ...edit some movie stuff...
> 
> 
> Not sure I would go for Voldy but I feel a crush coming on - Barty 
> Crouch Jnr looks really quite evil and deranged (I fell for David 
> Tennant as Casanova AND I get to enjoy him in Dr Who very soon!!!  
> Yippee!!!)and of course we get the luscious Lucius (Jason Isaacs 
just 
> has to look a certain way and my knees wobble), oh, and lets not 
> forget Snape ... I just always fall for the bad guy! 
>  
> Kemper now:
> I'll have to re-read the books before I can agree to your 
assessment of Crouch Jr and Lucius.  But Snape?  A bad guy?!  When 
it's so clearly evident that he's good? <G>

Ah now, don't misunderstand me - the JKR character of Barty Crouch 
has no redeeming qualities - it is entirely down to David Tennant, 
and probably the same could be said about luscious Lucius/Jason 
Isaacs. (Although, I have to admit, to a girl brought up simply on 
minimal resources the image of a rich and powerful, attractive man is 
a prospect I dreamt of) 
However it is society's view of Snape, the facade he creates and his 
motives for doing so that make him so appealing (and absolutely 
nothing at all to do with Alan Rickman - not at all, at all ...)
No, I jest!  Snape is the most intriguing character in the books - 
fascinating, mean, moody and enigmatic and nobody really knows where 
his true loyalties lie (Does he even know?) and for that reason , oh 
and his penchant for everything black and billowing, that I find him 
strangely attractive.  As they say - beauty is in the eye of the 
beholder and all that ...
Besides which I feel there has been or is someone special in his 
life, and the ability to love is appealing in itself - even if it has 
been relegated to the depths of his memory, it's still there, lurking 
and waiting for the right moment to rear its head again ... It's the 
potential weakness that's attractive.

Sarah xx









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From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 27 10:03:27 2005
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:03:27 +0100
Subject: Blake's Dark Materials
Message-ID: <001c01c5dadd$ad952ef0$17353a9d@europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi All,

I know that some of you love Philip Pullman's work too, so I thought some may be interested in my notes from a recent lecture he gave on "Blake's Dark Materials" for the annual Blake Society (http://www.blakesociety.org.uk/ ) at St James's, Piccadilly. It was a wonderful lecture with a large (several hundred) and engaged audience. First up Tim Heath, the chair of The Blake Society, spoke to introduce the Society and its president, Philip Pullman. Tim "reminded" us that St James's was the church in which Blake was christened on Sunday 11 December 1757 at a beautiful marble baptismal font carved by Grinling Gibbons. (St James's also boasts a stunningly beautiful limewood reredos by Gibbons.)

"I am not a scholar, I am a moth"
Pullman started off with an analogy that he returned to later in the lecture: he likened himself to a moth, a moth that flutters around lights but that returns to some lights repeatedly. He also likened himself to a butterfly, and to a bee, but told us he'd return to sort out those analogies later.

We then turned to a lovely story about writers block, and Blake's rescue of Pullman. During writing "The Amber Spyglass" Pullman came across a book in a bookshop in Oxford on a subject that had intrigued him for a long time: Gnosticism. The book was A.D. Nutall's "The Alternative Trinity: Gnostic Heresy in Marlowe, Milton and Blake" ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/019818462X/ ). Far from confirming Pullman's understanding of Gnosticism and the themes of "The Amber Spyglass" he felt challenged: which plotlines needed more weight, which parts needed rewriting, which planned elements needed rethinking, had he studied this area enough, etc. He felt like he was in an exam without having adequately prepared and stopped writing (he didn't say how long this lasted). Blake came to the rescue when Pullman reread Blake's words in "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell":
"I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's. I will not reason and compare: my business is to create."
So Pullman realized that he could forge on, as a creator.
He then addressed two questions and promised a third for later.

Question 1: What is a system?
The first question was answered by exploring several systems in use, e.g. "I'm a Christian". Systems give one an account of how the universe began and our role in it. A system might be religious, or it might be mythological, or it might be psychoanalytical, or it might be political etc. One example Pullman sketched out was Jung replacing Freud's system with his own. Pullman mentioned a "web of crystalline light" that seems to link and explain all the problems that one was previously perplexed by before one builds or discovers a system that works for you. But he made the point that the experience was the same, though the systems themselves differed dramatically.
One thing that distinguishes Blake's system for Pullman is its detail and completeness. Pullman said that reading of many writer's systems was like looking at a landscape painting through a small window. One gets the impression that if one moves to the side one will see the edge of the picture, the frame, and the blank wall beyond. Reading of Blake's system is like looking through a small window at a landscape itself. One feels that no matter how one peers around the scene it extends on in every direction.
Pullman pulled out the system "science" for special consideration. He did feel that science (or the scientific method) could offer one a system: it is narrative. He used words like "austere", "noble", and "demanding" but in the end felt that science makes us become so insignificant in our own story that you'd need to be very brave to adopt it.
Pullman also talked about the dangers of adopting systems unquestioningly, and asked whether a system had to console, but my notes and memory are thin on those points. I did try to tape the lecture using the voice-note facility of my mobile phone but it hasn't worked well enough to discern out what's being said.
Then we went onto ...

Question 2: Should we create a system or be enslaved by one?
Pullman said this often boiled down to the choice between what you do well and what you feel is the right thing to do. One of the examples he gave was Sullivan, who felt that the work with Gilbert got in the way of his writing proper operas, but who performs his one proper opera now? Pullman used Ruskin's quote "slaves work - unredeemed" to further illustrate this point. Pullman also pointed out that having a system may help one's writing without the system itself being of interest. His example was Yates, apparently another big Blake fan, who wrote amazing poetry based within his system which itself was bunkum: "we wouldn't give tupence for it if sold separately".
That lead Pullman to reveal his third question ...

Question 3: Can a writer have no system?
The answer seemed to be "no". We bring with us so much context and experience of the world which forms an implicit system whether we accept it or not. Pullman did say that this approach, rejecting all systems, was the one he felt most intuitively drawn to, but that it was not possible.
I also have the word "palimpsest" in my notes for this section but I cannot remember why!
Pullman noted that much of this implicit system is based on prejudices and preconceptions. He talked about how "as the sun moves around, the shadows change", meaning that we have prejudices written into our work that can only be seen by later generations. His example was the blatant anti-semitism of works in the first half of the twentieth century, which most authors were unaware of, but which on reading now casts a long shadow.
We returned to this in the Q&A session where one questioner asked for Pullman's views on Shakespeare. Pullman replied that he knew more about Milton but that he was looking forward to learning more. But he did say that "Shakespeare's the closest we come to a writer with no system".

Lastly (ish) Pullman took us back to Gnosticism and whether it gave a system which Blake adhered to and which Pullman could too. Pullman gave a nice introduction to one key Gnostic heresy (whose name I forget): the real God is infinitely distant and our souls belong with him. A false god made the world we live in now. Here Pullman referenced another book, William James' "The Varieties of Religious Experience" ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140390340 ). He talked about James notion of "once born" people who have never had to forsake a system and find another; and "twice born" people who appreciate the world as more of a "double storied mystery". In passing Pullman noted that born-again Christians were really "once born" in James taxonomy, and "shrill and enthusiastic". Pullman explained that Gnosticism is the natural refuge of the "twice born" and so it occurs frequently in modern culture: he gave "The X-Files", "The Matrix", and "The Truman Show" as examples. Pullman noted that Blake's genius was protean, and that he was not a Gnostic. He, like Pullman, could never be happy with a system which mistrusted and hated the physical world.

To wrap up Pullman distilled the continent within Blake's work that he had wandered around into seven axioms, seven axioms which he called "The Republic of Heaven". At this point Pullman was really in his flow and my note taking was falling way behind. (My dad use to teach shorthand at secondary school, why oh why didn't I get him to teach me?) But since then I've found a full transcript of the axioms. It turns out that the whole lecture will be published by The Blake Society and in a book of Pullman's lectures and essays and other non-fiction, which David Fickling Books will publish.
Here are the seven axioms in full. 
Axiom 1)
The physical world, this matter of which we are made, is amorous by nature. Matter rejoices in matter, and each atom of it falls in love with other atoms and delights to join up with them to form complex and even more delightful structures. "and shew you all alive This world, where every particle of dust breathes forth its joy." 
Axiom 2)
Things arise from matter-in-love-with-matter that are not themselves matter. Thoughts emerge from the unimaginable, the non-disentangle-able complexity of the brain, thoughts that are not material, though they have analogues in material processes, and you can't say where one ends and the other begins, because they are one thing and not two, and each is an aspect of the other. "Man has no Body distinct from his Soul; for that call'd Body is a portion of Soul discern'd by the five senses." 
Axiom 3)
The consciousness that emerges from matter demonstrates that consciousness is a normal property of the physical world and much more widely diffused than human beings think. "How do you know but ev'ry Bird that cuts the airy way, Is an immense World of delight, clos'd by your senses five?" 
Axiom 4)
Bodily experience underlies, sustains, feeds, inspires, and cherishes mental experience. "Energy is the only life, and is from the Body; and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy. Energy is Eternal Delight." 
Axiom 5)
We should use what works. And if invoking ghosts, demons, spirits, gods, demigods, nymphs or hobgoblins helps us to write, then we should banish the superstition of not being superstitious and invoke them without embarrassment or hesitation. "All deities reside in the human breast." 
Axiom 6)
The true object of our study and our work is human nature and its relationship to the universe. "God Appears & God is Light To those poor Souls who dwell in Night, But does a Human Form Display To those who Dwell in Realms of day." 
Axiom 7)
The work we do is infinitely worth doing. "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." 

Pullman touched back on the insect analogy saying that he read like a butterfly but wrote like a bee, a phrase that's picked up again in the acknowledgements section of the 10th anniversary re-release of the "His Dark Materials" trilogy, signed copies of which were available after the talk. (I bought a set, they have some fun extras in like new chapter heading pictures and collected letters from Mary Malone etc. They also had signed copies of the new edition of Paradise Lost which Pullman provides a forward and chapter notes within, but I just got that for my 40th so I couldn't justify another copy.) 

There were some interesting questions, particularly about Pullman's notion that "as the sun moves around the shadows change", and about the suitability of the word "system". But as Pullman pointed out, the reason he used the word "system" rather than "religion" or "way of thinking" was because that is the word that Blake used.

Pullman hung around afterwards for discussion, but there was quite a throng and so I didn't get to say "hi".

I did try to take some pictures, but the low light levels meant the images captured by my mobile phones are awful. In any case I've uploaded them to flickr ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/dumbledad/sets/1218608/ ) I've also uploaded a scan of my original notes.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.



		
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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 27 13:43:22 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:43:22 -0000
Subject: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: <20051025164508.38804.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <djqlhq+ccqm@eGroups.com>

Carol responded:
> What about true silver? Wormtail's silver hand appears to be
> permanent (and very strong, given the twig that he crushes to 
> powder when he first receives it). And yet it seems to be conjured 
> out of thin air. And if it's true silver, might it be lethal to a 
> werewolf? (I'm thinking of Fenrir Greyback, if he's at large or 
> escapes from Azkaban, not Remus Lupin.)
 

Kemper now:
> And has Wormtail's Silver hand locked him to his human form?  Or 
> can he make the change to rat?  
> If rat, then does the silver hand change to paw or silver paw?  Or 
> is he some freak rat with a silver, human-esque hand?

SSSusan:
Haha!  Great questions.  I somehow envision Scabbers with a silver 
paw... as if the silver hand is somehow also capable of the same type 
of magic its owner can accomplish, in this case transfiguration.  But 
I've got NO canon to support that, of course.


Kemper:  
> Carol, are you suggesting Wormtail's (I hesitate to use the word) 
> redemption is saving Harry from Greyback?  Or that Greyback attacks 
> Wormtail in some full-moon lunacy, and Wormtail, frightened and 
> wandless, flails his fists about accidentally maiming/killing 
> Greyback even though Greyback does land a killing claw on 
> Wormtail's treacherous jugular?  Because if you're suggesting this 
> last one, I like it a lot.  

SSSusan:
Hee.  I like this a lot, too.  (Hasn't JKR addressed on her website, 
though, the issue of silver?  In terms of the silver goblet at 12GP 
and Lupin's ability to touch it?)  OTOH I admit that I just DON'T 
like Wormtail.  I understand, frankly, that part of that is bias from 
having seen the movies.  I mean, Timothy Spall's Peter Pettigrew just 
turned my stomach (blech).  I *have* listened to fans who've defended 
PP and have tried to be open to their views... but I just can't get 
past my negative reaction to what I see as cowardice, not 
just "humanness."  Yes, Lupin has shown some cowardice, as well, and 
I still love his character... but Pettigrew's choices, while perhaps 
understandable to some degree, have just seemed to me to be of a 
greater magnitude, with greater (that is, worse) consequences.

I'm rambling, though....

My point is that the possibility of PP's redemption and the 
possibility PP's repaying his life debt to Harry are quite popular in 
the HP fandom; a lot of people seem to really want to see this 
happen.  For some reason I've been less excited about the prospect -- 
probably because I just don't like the character much, but maybe also 
because I wouldn't want to see this happen unless it's something 
*genuine.*  That is, I wouldn't want it to be an accidental repayment 
of the debt -- PP just doing something which happens to save Harry's 
life.  I'd want it to be something PP considered and elected to do.

In the graveyard scene of GoF, we saw Wormtail suggesting to Voldy 
that they use someone *else's* blood -- that it didn't have to be 
Harry's -- and I saw that as the one glimmer of hope that PP would 
like to get out of the mess he's in.  In that situation, he chose to 
not press the point, and I suppose most of us would probably have 
done likewise.  But if PP's going to be redeemed, I'd like it to be 
REAL, in a situation where he's contemplated what to do, has weighed 
the consequences of doing or not doing it, and this time DOES defy 
Voldy.

Now, how likely is that, though??

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 27 16:56:53 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: counterfeit Galleons, designer robes, humans (via Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: <djqlhq+ccqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051027165654.5167.qmail@web51601.mail.yahoo.com>

Kemper:  
> Carol, are you suggesting Wormtail's (I hesitate to use the word) 
> redemption is saving Harry from Greyback?  Or that Greyback attacks 
> Wormtail in some full-moon lunacy, and Wormtail, frightened and 
> wandless, flails his fists about accidentally maiming/killing 
> Greyback even though Greyback does land a killing claw on 
> Wormtail's treacherous jugular?  Because if you're suggesting this > last one, I like it a lot.  

SSSusan:
Hee.  I like this a lot, too.  (Hasn't JKR addressed on her website, though, the issue of silver?  In terms of the silver goblet at 12GP 
and Lupin's ability to touch it?)  OTOH I admit that I just DON'T 
like Wormtail.  
...
I *have* listened to fans who've defended 
PP and have tried to be open to their views... but I just can't get 
past my negative reaction to what I see as cowardice, not 
just "humanness."  Yes, Lupin has shown some cowardice, as well, and I still love his character... but Pettigrew's choices, while perhaps understandable to some degree, have just seemed to me to be of a 
greater magnitude, with greater (that is, worse) consequences.

I'm rambling, though....

My point is that the possibility of PP's redemption and the 
possibility PP's repaying his life debt to Harry are quite popular in the HP fandom; a lot of people seem to really want to see this 
happen.  For some reason I've been less excited about the prospect -- probably because I just don't like the character much, but maybe also because I wouldn't want to see this happen unless it's something *genuine.*  That is, I wouldn't want it to be an accidental repayment of the debt -- PP just doing something which happens to save Harry's life.  I'd want it to be something PP considered and elected to do.

In the graveyard scene of GoF, we saw Wormtail suggesting to Voldy 
that they use someone *else's* blood -- that it didn't have to be 
Harry's -- and I saw that as the one glimmer of hope that PP would 
like to get out of the mess he's in.  In that situation, he chose to not press the point, and I suppose most of us would probably have 
done likewise.  But if PP's going to be redeemed, I'd like it to be 
REAL, in a situation where he's contemplated what to do, has weighed the consequences of doing or not doing it, and this time DOES defy 
Voldy.

Kemper now:
I think you bring up a point that I haven't seen flushed out before. (this thread is starting to be Main List appropriate)  
 
Wormtail at the Graveyard.  He had most opportunity for redemption here, yet he faltered.  He didn't even attempt to save Harry's life when LV was going to AK him.  And it's not like LV cast it surprisingly.
 
"'We are not playing hide-and-seek, Harry,' said Voldermort"..."'You cannot hide from me. Does this mean you are tired of our duel?  Does this mean thay you would prefer me to finish it now, Harry?  Cone out, Harry...come out and play, then...it will be quick... it might even be painless... I would not know... I have never died...'" - GoF, US soft, 662
 
Where is Wormtail?!  Did he not hear any of this silly villian talk?  I think he did hear it.  He likes to watch bullying as seen in Snape's Worst Memory.  
 
Knowing the AK would be cast, Wormtail did nothing but watch.  My canon support for this is that Wormtail is still alive.  Had he tried to save Harry or interfere with Voldemort, he would be dead.
 
So where's the life debt?  I hope we don't see it paid later because it should have been paid at the Graveyard.
 
-Kemper
 
 
 
 








		
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 27 17:09:53 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Peter's hand, Wormtail's paw
In-Reply-To: <djqlhq+ccqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20051027170953.34081.qmail@web51611.mail.yahoo.com>



Carol wrote:
> What about true silver? Wormtail's silver hand appears to be
> permanent (and very strong, given the twig that he crushes to 
> powder when he first receives it). And yet it seems to be conjured > out of thin air. And if it's true silver, might it be lethal to a 
> werewolf? (I'm thinking of Fenrir Greyback, if he's at large or 
> escapes from Azkaban, not Remus Lupin.)


Kemper responded:
> And has Wormtail's Silver hand locked him to his human form?  Or 
> can he make the change to rat?  
> If rat, then does the silver hand change to paw or silver paw?  Or > is he some freak rat with a silver, human-esque hand?

SSSusan added:
Haha!  Great questions.  I somehow envision Scabbers with a silver 
paw... as if the silver hand is somehow also capable of the same type of magic its owner can accomplish, in this case transfiguration.  But I've got NO canon to support that, of course.

Kemper now:
I thought more of this.  I don't think Peter can transfigure to a rat anymore.  It seems as though he would have been in rat form behind the door/wall in Spinner's End.  But IIRC, he was human.  Do human's have better hearing or rat's?  Any zoologists out there?  If rats have better hearing then I say he can't transform.  If humans have better hearing, then there's not enough canon support for Peter's ability to still transform to his animagus or not.
 
Kemper, who hasn't given Wormtail much thought... until lately.

 

		
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 19:32:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:32:59 -0400
Subject: Build your own computer?
Message-ID: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>

Out of curiosity, has anyone here tried to build their own computer? 
Y'know, get case, motherboard, memory, etc, jam it all in the case,
cross your fingers, and hope it works. ;-)  Okay, maybe not that
random. {g}

I'd like to build my own computer as a learning experience (probably
to never try it again ;-)) at a later date and I'm curious if others
here have done so.

Yes, some could suggest 'just buy a Mac' but those puppies are
pricey... Then again, not buying something prebuilt [from Taiwan] will
probably be pricey too.

Dina



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 27 21:55:39 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:55:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c5db41$2b31d350$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I've done a partial rebuild, but never a "from the ground up" build.

The trickiest part is getting the power supply in and then the motherboard.
Some cases might come with supplies, I think, and it's always good to
estimate higher than what you might really think you need.

Remember, too, fans are your friends; lots of fans...one for your main
processor, and two for your tower.

Good luck!!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Fri Oct 28 00:16:24 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:16:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4g7bqh$39m27f@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net>

 


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From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dina Lerret
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:33 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?


Out of curiosity, has anyone here tried to build their own computer? 
Y'know, get case, motherboard, memory, etc, jam it all in the case,
cross your fingers, and hope it works. ;-)  Okay, maybe not that
random. {g}

I'd like to build my own computer as a learning experience (probably
to never try it again ;-)) at a later date and I'm curious if others
here have done so.

Yes, some could suggest 'just buy a Mac' but those puppies are
pricey... Then again, not buying something prebuilt [from Taiwan] will
probably be pricey too.

Dina

[Now Tammy says:] I've modified my computer system so much over the years
that you could say that I built it myself.  I've swapped out the
motherboard, the power supply, both hard drives, the CD-RW drive, the DVD
drive, the system fans, the modem, the sound card, the video card, the
memory, the CPU itself . . . I think the only thing I haven't swapped out
would be the LEDs that show the power being on or off.  LOL!  Plus I
frequently format my system drive and re-install EVERYTHING, from scratch,
just for fun.  ;-)  As far as my experience goes, building a system from the
bottom up is not very difficult at all.  And lest you think I'm some
technowiz, I wouldn't be able to tell a capacitor from a resistor from a
transistor, were I handed a jumble of them.  For me, it's all just a matter
of reading the directions five or six times before I touch the parts.  ;-D
There's still a lot of, "Oh crap, what is THIS supposed to plug into?" but I
do learn something new every time.
 
One thing I've learned is that it's very wise to keep your data files on a
separate harddrive than your system/program files.  This way, if (WHEN) you
need to start over again and re-install everything, you won't have to worry
about your data being wiped when you format C:\ drive.  Also keep copies of
the software installation packages on that second drive, such as if you have
downloaded a really nifty program.  Don't rely on the program site to always
be there.  One of the most helpful and handy programs I've ever used,
AIDA32, which identifies the hardware and software on your system and finds
the home sites for the hardware, for upgrades and updates, was discontinued
three years ago, and is no longer available anywhere online!  I am SOOOO
glad I have my own copy of the installation program, so I can re-install it
after every system rebuild!
 
My suggestion, though, would be to look at places like
http://www.tigerdirect.com for cases and parts.  Make up a wish-list of what
you really want your system to be, and shop around for the best prices for
the parts.  Add them up and see how that price compares with the pre-built
systems that meet your requirements.  Also, don't be afraid to ask for
advice in computer-building forums.  Buying the parts piecemeal is not
always the least expensive route, but you can do it a little at a time (it's
ALWAYS easier to find $90 than it is to find $1900, after all!), and have a
really stompin' system over the course of a few months, that you are CERTAIN
is EXACTLY how YOU want it.  Loading the software yourself takes some time,
too, of course, but again, you know EXACTLY what you have installed that
way.  Then again, though, you can't blame the unknown technician when
something goes wrong . . . .



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 16:37:23 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:37:23 -0400
Subject: Revisit of MR's Cribs clip (AKA Big Foot lives)
Message-ID: <1a2738400510280937m1d5d156dm278ce5b6592a1913@mail.gmail.com>

I really must not pay attention to feet because I kept seeing
reference to how Tom Welling has 'big feet' and it didn't register
because he's... what... 6'3".  So, now, I read a reference to how
Welling wears a 14-14.5 (US) size shoe.  Considering his height, he
still doesn't appear disproportionate.  Um, I think my brother wears
size... 10? shoes and he's about 6'.  I knew a guy in junior high who
wore size 15 shoes, and it doesn't register until the guy says the
size or the shoes are taken off and left by themselves...

http://www.livejournal.com/users/beeej/231463.html?view=1497639#t1497639

Heh, *now*, I know why they're joking about the black slippers at
Rosenbaum's home possibly being Welling's slippers. {snort}

I should be ashamed, after all, I've written LOTR 'actor slash' and I
completely missed the slash.  I'm losing my pervyness, bad Dina!

Dina



From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 28 18:03:17 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:03:17 -0000
Subject: Info on carving Dark Mark and DE jack-o-lanterns
Message-ID: <djtp55+a9m9@eGroups.com>

A member of HPfGU who's not a member of OTC mentioned this, and I 
thought I'd forward the information on her [Lady Diana's] behalf.

Warning:  This looked *mighty* complicated to me(!), but the 
instructions also looked very detailed & complete.


Lady Diana said:
I carved a DeathEater!Snape Jack-O-Lantern as well as a Dark Mark 
one, and I wrote up step-by-step instructions (as in, you've never 
wired anything in your life and you've never carved a pumpkin in 
your life, you can follow these instructions and make it work), and 
I wanted to share the awesomeness. As an aside, if someone can tell 
me the ORIGINAL source of Snape Death Eater photograph, I'd love it, 
because I'm QUITE certain the place *I* got it from wasn't the 
original owner...*snicker*.

The instructions are located here
( http://www.livejournal.com/users/cmwinters/6221.html ), and there 
are images to look at, both instruction images and "finished 
product".

Siriusly Snapey Susan, for Lady Diana







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 19:05:39 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:05:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <001101c5db41$2b31d350$65a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>
	 <001101c5db41$2b31d350$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <1a2738400510281205x1e13ea01t8796be16f25748aa@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/27/05, (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

> Remember, too, fans are your friends; lots of fans...one for your main
> processor, and two for your tower.

I actually leave off one side panel and have an oscillating fan
blowing on the computer. {g}  It probably does help with the cooling
but also blows in dust as well. :-\


On 10/27/05, Tammy Rizzo <ms-tamany at rcn.com> wrote:

> transistor, were I handed a jumble of them.  For me, it's all just a matter
> of reading the directions five or six times before I touch the parts.  ;-D
> There's still a lot of, "Oh crap, what is THIS supposed to plug into?" but I
> do learn something new every time.

Yeah, from what I've read, it's suggested I go with some good name
brands (versus generic and also OEM) because they often have proper
documentation... in English. ;-)


> One thing I've learned is that it's very wise to keep your data files on a
> separate harddrive than your system/program files.  This way, if (WHEN) you

Interesting advice. {g}  I do know I want a set-up with *at least*
500gigs (harddrive space is first priority and then RAM and then
processor), not including any USB HDD hook-ups that I'll add on,
because I'm still into video editing and those buggers take up
*massive* amounts of space, and if you're doing series vidding and you
really don't have episodes memorized, it's just easier to grab the
clips once and store them.  Movie vidding (e.g. LOTR, HP, etc.) is
easier and why I've been doing it for the past... 2-3 years.  With an
estimate on a starting 2-3 harddrives, I'll need a decent power supply
too.


> My suggestion, though, would be to look at places like
> http://www.tigerdirect.com for cases and parts.  Make up a wish-list of what
> you really want your system to be, and shop around for the best prices for
> the parts.  Add them up and see how that price compares with the pre-built
> systems that meet your requirements.  Also, don't be afraid to ask for

Aye, I've been specking out Dealnews and they have various discounts
going on and coupons.


> way.  Then again, though, you can't blame the unknown technician when
> something goes wrong . . . .

Heh, yeah, the only warranty would come from the *individual* parts,
but I've only had one problem computer and that was a 'turd on a
stick' Compaq where the motherboard needed replacing after less than
three months and it still frequently 'blue screens [of death]' on me.

My computer buying history: Compaq (1995 good computer), Compaq (1999
piece of crap), Gateway (2000 'my baby' I use all the time), and a
'generic' vidding computer (2002 - my only Athlon processor).

I'm thinking of trading in my two Compaqs for parts.  I'll keep the
Gateway but I'd like to eventually retire it for light usage because
my video capture board only works in it.

Gah, I still don't know why I'm into vidding because fanfic gives you
more interaction with other fans (vidding is very... isolated), and
it's not like I ever intend on using the knowledge as a career.  If I
only needed a computer for 'surfing the internet', I'd have a newer
computer sooner--ironically, my boss gave me a bonus that coincided
with the cost of a mini-Mac - though, I used that money for repairs,
instead--but I know that isn't the only use I'd want for it.

Dina



From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Fri Oct 28 19:19:04 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:19:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510281205x1e13ea01t8796be16f25748aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4g7bqh$3a6h3h@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net>

 


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From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dina Lerret
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:06 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?


<snip> 
Yeah, from what I've read, it's suggested I go with some good name
brands (versus generic and also OEM) because they often have proper
documentation... in English. ;-)
<snip> 
 
[Now Tammy says:] Yeah, clear and readable documentation in a language
you're comfortable with is QUITE the help, isn't it?  ;-D
 
>From the description of what you use your computers for, you're looking at
some very high-end stuff.  That's utter coolness!  8-)  My talents don't
really lie in the vidding arena, but I have a great deal of respect for
those who do vids.  And for their stompin' systems!  :->  I wish you all the
best getting yours!
 
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com



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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Oct 28 20:47:46 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:47:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510281205x1e13ea01t8796be16f25748aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c5dc00$da1c5dd0$65a4a8c0@rosie>

[Lee]:
| 
| > Remember, too, fans are your friends; lots of fans...one 
| for your main
| > processor, and two for your tower.
| 
[Dina]:
| I actually leave off one side panel and have an oscillating fan
| blowing on the computer. {g}  It probably does help with the cooling
| but also blows in dust as well. :-\

[Lee]:
According to some tech thing I read, find something like old stockings or
panty hoes, tape them to the opening and they should act as a dust filter.
Also keeps out pet hairs. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 28 22:11:09 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:11:09 -0000
Subject: Build your own computer? ...and associated Headaches.
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dju7lt+15rt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, has anyone here tried to build their own computer? 
> Y'know, get case, motherboard, memory, etc, jam it all in the case,
> cross your fingers, and hope it works. ;-)  Okay, maybe not that
> random. {g}
> 
> ...
> 
> Dina
>


bboyminn:

Here is a very important point to consider, you are going to have to
do a lot of research to build you own computer.

For example-

What motherboard are you going to use?

    * ABIT (34) 
    * AOPEN (18) 
    * ASROCK (8) 
    * ASUS (38) 
    * BIOSTAR (19)  
    * CHAINTECH (7) 
    * DFI (21) 
    * ECS (11) 
    * EPOX (18) 
    * FOXCONN / WINFAST (7)  
    
The number next to the name indicates how many choices you have in
that brand name.  

Now you must decide what form-factor (size) you are going to use.

ATX? uATX? mini-ATX?


What Processor are you going to use?

AMD? INTEL?

...the economy SEMPRON or CELERON?

...the full-powered ATHLON 64 or the PENTIUM 4

...or one of these variations - ALTHON 64 FX, ALTHON 64 X2, OPTERON,
MOBILE, PENTIUM D, XEON?

Socket 939? 754? 748? 775? or other?

More importantly, are you sure the processor you chose matches the
motherboard you picked?


Next - the Case - with or without Power Supply

    * AHANIX (9) 
    * ANTEC (17) 
    * AOPEN (1) 
    * APEX / SUPERCASE (17) 
    * ASPIRE (16) 
    * ASUS (5) 
    * ATOP (8) 
    * CASEDGE (3)  
    * CODEGEN (15) 
    * COOLER MASTER (33) 
    * COOLMAX (1) 
    * ENERMAX (4) 
    * ENLIGHT (6) 
    * GENERIC (7) 
    * IN-WIN (5) 
    * MASSCOOL (1)  
    * MWAVE (14) 
    * NZXT (6) 
    * SILVERSTONE (4) 
    * SKY HAWK USA / EAGLE (5) 
    * SUNBEAM (4) 
    * THERMALTAKE (13) 
    * XION (4)  
    
If your case has a power supply, is it large enough to supply your
selected processor and all the additional accessories you plan to add? 

Do you care if the case is approved by the CPU manufacturer? 

Did you pick the right case to match the form-factor of you motherboard?

Do you want a Desktop case, Mid-tower, full-tower, rack mount, or
mini-case? 

Do you want to spend $30 or $200 on your case, both options and all
in-between are available? 


What type of memory do you want and how much? 

It's probably DDR, but even amoung DDR there are at least four choices
of brands, all with different prices.


What type of video do you want?

AGP? 2x/4x/8x? PCI? EPCI? 

Do you want to spend $50 or $500? Both options are available along
with everything in-between.


Hard drive? EIDE? SATA? RAID? ... and does your choice match the
components you've picked? 


The point I'm making is that you can count on doing a lot of research
to match all the components properly.

Keep in mind that some motherboard manufacturer put /everything/ on
the motherboard; video, sound, LAN, modem, USB etc....

For a first time builder this might not be a bad idea. In most cases,
each of the 'built-in' things can be disabled and you can add your own
external board later. MSI is a good brand for boards with everything
built-in.

Some motherboard manufacturers have SOME things built-in; like LAN or
modem or USB. Make sure you understand what your motherboard has so
you don't duplicate or forget to add things.

Also, note that most component sellers also sell 'barebones' systems.
They have selected various motherboards, processors, and cases that
are compatable. All you have to do is add whatever accessories you
want to that basic system. 

ASUS is an excellent brand of motherboard, I have an ABIT in my
current system which I am happy with. It was the top rated motherobard
the year I bought it. MSI is good for all-in-one boards.

Note too, that while I have build several systems, for my last system,
I elected to select all the components myself and pay the component
seller $75 to put it together for me. Seemed like a fair price.

Keep in mind that 'back in the day' you could actually build your own
computer for less than you could buy one. But companies like DELL and
Gateway have tremendous buying power that you could never possibly
equal. What you are really going for is two things; a system build
from universal components that can be replaced anywhere in the world,
and complete control of all component and the configuration.

THE NEXT THING IS VERY !!IMPORTANT!!

When you buy a computer in components you DO NOT get the Operating
System with it. 

You MUST order the Operating System at the same time that you order
your motherboard or you are going to pay substantially more for it.
Usually the dealer will give you OEM pricing on the OS when you order
the motherboard. If you try to order the OS separately, you will end
up paying full retail price for it. That more that twice the OEM
price. Don't forget this one critially important item when you order.

Here is were I bought my last component computer which has served me
well for 6 years. 

http://www.mwave.com/

I have complete confidence in them as a company, and their prices are
very good.

Also, for people in the Mid-West, I've had very good luck with this
company in Minneapolis, MN.

General NanoSystems-
http://www.nanosys1.com/

Building a computer isn't really that hard, and is safe if you observe
basic Static Precautions. It's selecting the properly matched
components that takes so much time. Also, count on running into a few
rough spots during the build; that is, afteral, how you learn things.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 22:35:56 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:35:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Build your own computer? ...and associated Headaches.
In-Reply-To: <dju7lt+15rt@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400510271232l20afdfcdtdda307c2262ad8d7@mail.gmail.com>
	 <dju7lt+15rt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400510281535n1e5b84bcpc5e4119e645d65e8@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/28/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Building a computer isn't really that hard, and is safe if you observe
> basic Static Precautions. It's selecting the properly matched
> components that takes so much time. Also, count on running into a few
> rough spots during the build; that is, afteral, how you learn things.
>
> Just passing it along.

Thanks for the info and links!

I've been thinking about doing this for months and I know it's
something I'd like to do for a learning experience.  What has mostly
put me off for weeks--other than costs and budget--is deciding on
which products.  Still haven't got all the components picked but I'm
getting there as I review them.

I'm estimating between $1,200-1,400 for a full tower case and build up
from there.  All my other computers are mini/mid-towers with their
ports maxed and I think each computer cost about $1,900-2,200 (first
computer was ~$2,500).  This was back when I had less bills to pay...
Hehe, and no, my bills aren't from the computers because I made sure I
had the money in hand before buying them.

Dina



From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 28 23:37:41 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:37:41 -0000
Subject: Info on carving Dark Mark and DE jack-o-lanterns
In-Reply-To: <djtp55+a9m9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <djuco5+iaah@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at s...> wrote:
>
> A member of HPfGU who's not a member of OTC mentioned this, and I 
> thought I'd forward the information on her [Lady Diana's] behalf.
> 
> Warning:  This looked *mighty* complicated to me(!), but the 
> instructions also looked very detailed & complete.
> 
> 
> Lady Diana said:
> I carved a DeathEater!Snape Jack-O-Lantern as well as a Dark Mark 
> one, and I wrote up step-by-step instructions (as in, you've never 
> wired anything in your life and you've never carved a pumpkin in 
> your life, you can follow these instructions and make it work), 
and I wanted to share the awesomeness. As an aside, if someone can 
tell me the ORIGINAL source of Snape Death Eater photograph, I'd 
love it, because I'm QUITE certain the place *I* got it from wasn't 
the original owner...*snicker*.
> 
> The instructions are located here
> ( http://www.livejournal.com/users/cmwinters/6221.html ), and 
there are images to look at, both instruction images and "finished 
> product".
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan, for Lady Diana

*****\(@@)/*****

Now that is one seriously cool pumpkin! Wow - that would be the talk 
of the neighborhood!

Dudemom_2000

****](@@)/*****
>







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 29 06:17:00 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:17:00 -0000
Subject: Build your own computer? ...and associated Headaches.
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400510281535n1e5b84bcpc5e4119e645d65e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <djv44s+781i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...>
wrote:
>
> On 10/28/05, Steve <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Building a computer isn't really that hard, and is safe if you 
> > observe basic Static Precautions. It's selecting the properly 
> > matched components that takes so much time. 

 
> Thanks for the info and links!
>
> I've been thinking about doing this for months and I know it's
> something I'd like to do for a learning experience.  What has mostly
> put me off for weeks--other than costs and budget--is deciding on
> which products.  Still haven't got all the components picked but I'm
> getting there as I review them.
> 
> I'm estimating between $1,200-1,400 for a full tower case and build up
> from there.  ...
> 
> Dina


bboyminn: 

If you look at the links I provided, not only do they have 'barebones'
systems, but they also have motherboard/CPU combinations. That
simplifies matters a little. I have a Mwave house brand case with
Power supply (300watt). I think for a new computer, I would want at
lest 350w, and if I was building a full tower like you, with the
intent of a lot of options, I would go for 400w, perhaps even 450w.

Right now I favor the Nvidia video cards. But ATI RADEON and NVidia
G-Force are always jumping past each other, it just depends on what's
available when you are ready to buy. Keep in mind that a $40 to $60
video card today ROCKS compared to the video cards of just a few years
ago. If you are totally Gonzo about video, then you might want to go
to something in the $75 to $125 range. Anything above that is kind of
a waste except for professionals and game-geeks. 

Good luck, and good hunting, then eventually, good building. ... and
don't forget to buy your OS with your components.

As a side note, I recommend breaking your hard drive into smaller
partitions, essentially virtual hard drives. If you have WinXP that's
not as critical. Hard drive data is organized into tables that are
essentially indexes. You can have a few small indexes or one huge
index, and when ever your computer looks for a file, it has the option
of searching one huge file list, or one small file list. Personally, I
find one small file list to be faster. 

In the past hard drives were divided to make the cluster size more
efficient, but with WinXP, the cluster size is the same regardless of
the hard drive size. But you do gain efficiency and organization with
multiple partition. For example, on my computer, in the first
partition is small, and I have only Operation System and essential
utilities, on the second partition - I have installed programs, in the
third partition - I have data and long term storage.

As others suggested, it doesn't hurt to get an external USB or
Firewire hard drive to back up your data on. Programs can always be
reinstalled, but once data is lost...it's gone forever. The next step
is to remember to use it. I just had a hard drive crash and lost tons
of stuff because I was too lazy to back it up on my USB Drive. A 80Gb
USB drive is about $150 or less on sale and well worth it.

Just a few closing thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Oct 29 12:34:01 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:34:01 -0700
Subject: Build your own computer? ...and associated Headaches.
In-Reply-To: <djv44s+781i@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400510281535n1e5b84bcpc5e4119e645d65e8@mail.gmail.com>
	 <djv44s+781i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400510290534y54f4399bn768682a82c05a35b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/28/05, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you look at the links I provided, not only do they have 'barebones'
> systems, but they also have motherboard/CPU combinations. That

Yeah, and they also have cases with and without an included power
source.  Though, with barebones, it would defeat the purpose of
learning to build from the ground up. {g}


> intent of a lot of options, I would go for 400w, perhaps even 450w.

It just depends on how many harddrives and optical drives, which I
only plan on having one CD/DVD read/write drive.  I'm leaning more
towards NEC for that job.


> ago. If you are totally Gonzo about video, then you might want to go
> to something in the $75 to $125 range. Anything above that is kind of
> a waste except for professionals and game-geeks.

Aye, I'm not a gamer but I do require a fairly good video card and
other vidders are recommending nVidia with a dual head option to
extend the video editing timeline viewing area.  My generic vidding
computer has a Matrox dual head and was paired up with a Matrox
editing board.  Seems the new fad is PCI express versus PCI/AGP.


> As a side note, I recommend breaking your hard drive into smaller
> partitions, essentially virtual hard drives. If you have WinXP that's

I don't think I'll need the drives partitioned (other than a partition
for operating/program files) because video files are very big (e.g. I
can have a couple hundred files and fill up a 250gig drive).  Speaking
of 250gig drive, that's my external USB drive and it cost me about
$185, including a dual fan enclosure, and I got that puppy months
back.  Was a fairly okay deal and the drive works fine.


> As others suggested, it doesn't hurt to get an external USB or
> Firewire hard drive to back up your data on. Programs can always be
> reinstalled, but once data is lost...it's gone forever. The next step
> is to remember to use it. I just had a hard drive crash and lost tons
> of stuff because I was too lazy to back it up on my USB Drive. A 80Gb
> USB drive is about $150 or less on sale and well worth it.

Heh, ain't that the truth about remembering to back-up. {g}  I've
reviewed over 'ghosting' software and some of them also require the
same amount of 'empty' space (the drive sizes need the same space,
regardless, of actual usage space).

Dina



From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 29 15:01:46 2005
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (nkafkafi)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:01:46 -0000
Subject: Movie rant - might contain spoilers
Message-ID: <dk02sq+lbgl@eGroups.com>

I've just been visiting TLC, and I took a quick look at the new GoF
clips. What can I tell you -  I'm sooo glad I never had any plans to
watch this movie. These clips are just horrible. Everybody is
overacting. Haven't they heard that British actors are supposed to be
better, not worse, than the average Hollywood actor? It looks like the
director was going "hurry, guys, hurry! We have 150 scenes to squeeze
into a single movie! There will be a fat bonus to the actor with the
highest words per minute count!" all the time. Moody isn't deformed,
isn't scary at all, acts hyperactive instead of paranoid (probably the
winner of the words per minute bonus), and his magic eye looks, well,
like a plastic eye attached with a strap. Rita Skeeter looks... cute,
actually. I wouldn't mind being shut in a closet with her and tell her
all about my sad life <g>. Hermione's Cinderella scene (which doesn't
exist in the book, but who cares about that anymore) looks as if it
was directed specially for ? well, I guess 12 yrs old girls *are* a
large percentage of the target audience, but still... .  Snape going
cuffing students and none of then seems to care the least ? say
goodbye to the legend of Rickman's charisma. And Hogwarts looks
gloomier than ever. I don't think I'd ever want to visit the place.

I'd avoid this movie. At all costs.

Neri







From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Oct 29 15:47:49 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:47:49 -0000
Subject: Movie rant - might contain spoilers
In-Reply-To: <dk02sq+lbgl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dk05j5+7mp0@eGroups.com>

I own the first three DVDs.  I bought them at or shortly after their 
release dates.  Interestingly, I've only ever watched PS/SS.  I have 
never seen a Harry Potter movie at a cinema. I prefer to immerse 
myself in the books - either reading myself or listening to the audio 
books.  

Joe

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" <nkafkafi at y...> 
wrote:
>
> I've just been visiting TLC, and I took a quick look at the new GoF
> clips. What can I tell you -  I'm sooo glad I never had any plans to
> watch this movie. 







From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 29 21:05:02 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:05:02 -0000
Subject: silver, Transfiguration,
Message-ID: <dk0o5u+31h6@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29064 :

<< What about true silver? Wormtail's silver hand appears to be
permanent (and very strong, given the twig that he crushes to powder
when he first receives it). And yet it seems to be conjured out of
thin air. >>

I assumed Wormtail's new hand was made of solidified magic, not of a
mere material. Aren't there any other descriptions in canon of magic
looking 'silvery'? Which is not *exactly* the same as looking silver,
because highly polished silver's color looks more white than anything
else and its shine is almost garish, while 'silvery' (especially when
describing magic) has color qualities of twilight and non-garish shine
of moonlight -- a Full Moon bright enough to read (very large print)
by is not garish.

<< And if it's true silver, might it be lethal to a werewolf? (I'm
thinking of Fenrir Greyback, if he's at large or escapes from Azkaban,
not Remus Lupin.) >>

I have seen nothing in canon indicating that silver is dangerous to
Potterverse werewolves. It's not in FANTASTIC BEASTS, not in Book 3's
DADA lesson, not in Book 5's DADA OWL (Pensieve) conversation.

<< If Scabbers hadn't really been Pettigrew in PoA, he would have
remained Scabbers when Lupin and Black cast their spell to transform
him. >>

I feel that the spell the Remus and Sirius cast on Scabbers was NOT a
transfiguration from animal to human, but rather a reversal of human
to animal transformation magic. It MIGHT have been Finite Incantatum
and it MIGHT have been Revelio Specialis, but I prefer to believe it
was the Homorphus Charm, which I believe causes a human magically
transformed into something else to temporarily regain human form.

Someone lent me the (sixth year) Ostendo spell for a fanfic, of which
I wrote: "there was a very complicated Charm that they'd been studying
in Flitwick's class for two weeks already.  Among its variations, it
could reveal both magically and naturally invisible objects, detect
Curses, detect disguises, find hidden objects, and one version, named
Homorphus, could force a Transfigured human or an Animagus to
transform momentarily back into his or her real human form."

Dumbledad wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29071 :

<< I also have the word "palimpsest" in my notes for this section but
I cannot remember why! >>

Well, that SEEMS fairly obvious. As you know, parchment was so
expensive for medieval people that they scraped off the surface layer
with its old writing in order to write something new. Remains (or
ghosts) of the old writing can still be read under the new writing
(especially with uv light, scanning electromicroscopes, and digital
photo analysis) and are called 'palimpsests'. Pullman must have been
saying that even tho' a person tries hard to scrape off the system
they grew up believing in, in order to write with no system, traces of
the old system will remain.






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Oct 30 07:00:26 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:00:26 -0400
Subject: And fear the Dina Sue Re: Revisit of MR's Cribs clip
Message-ID: <1a2738400510300000i4848f8f0m642db5c11d9f385a@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/28/05, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heh, *now*, I know why they're joking about the black slippers at
> Rosenbaum's home possibly being Welling's slippers. {snort}
>
> I should be ashamed, after all, I've written LOTR 'actor slash' and I
> completely missed the slash.  I'm losing my pervyness, bad Dina!

To make up for my oversight, I instantly had pervy RPS thoughts when
E!News aired this week's summary of Ted's Awful Truth about rumours
concerning Tom Welling's estrangement from his wife going unanswered
by his publicist.

Even with the RPS bunnies hopping, I want to do Adina (from Sorority
Boys) slash and it's like '*damn*, why is his/her name similar to
mine' and it makes me cringe because I see some folk who go by a pen
name of... something like Hermione Potter and then write the 'Pumpkin
Pie' pairing of Harry/Hermione and Hermione sometimes starts
resembling a 'Hermione Sue'.  Ugh, I didn't model my name after a
character and I'm not trying to incorporate myself into a 'Dina Sue',
but it'll linger in the back of my mind because of this longstanding
skepticism involving folk who don fannish names to coincide with
characters they write about.

At first, I thought it a neat coincidence, but now, err. :-\  Bad prejudice.

Dina,
whose middle name isn't Sue



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 30 07:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 30 Oct 2005 07:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1130655725.12.54773.m28@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 30 16:17:48 2005
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (David Hardenbrook)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:17:48 -0000
Subject: Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <001101c5db41$2b31d350$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <dk2rnc+m7p8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
>
> Some cases might come with supplies, I think, and it's always good to
> estimate higher than what you might really think you need.

My own system's case came with the Power Supply pre-installed.  I 
recommend
Antec for cases and Power supplies.  It's also worth a few extra
bucks to get a case that has a good strong Power supply (at least 
400W),
a removeable front panel for easy drive installation, and no rough
sharp edges to cut your fingers on.

> Remember, too, fans are your friends; lots of fans...one for your 
main
> processor, and two for your tower.

Agreed.  It's worth it to have a "loud" system if you know it's 
properly cooled.

--
Dave, Computer Techie With a Heart of Gold






From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 30 16:19:23 2005
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (David Hardenbrook)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:19:23 -0000
Subject: Witches in the News: Holland gives Witchcraft Education a tax break!
Message-ID: <dk2rqb+8pn4@eGroups.com>

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?
idq=/ff/story/0001/20051030/0648465928.htm&sc=1120






From phil at pcsgames.net  Sun Oct 30 17:18:41 2005
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:18:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Build your own computer?
References: <dk2rnc+m7p8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <117401c5dd76$02ed4230$6600a8c0@phil>

Hi Lee,
Some computers with Windows XP Media Center Edition do not have fans.
The
Sony VAIO VGC-RA842G Desktop PC
features Sony's revolutionary liquid-cooling system and advanced
noise-reduction technology, ensuring premier performance without the heat or
noise of traditional PC designs and cooling fans. A unique liquid-flow heat
pipe draws heat away from the processor, while air-intake from the desktop
tower's
mid-section maximizes air flow and optimizes Acoustics. The result: cool,
quiet and reliable performance.

Note from Phil, Larry Skutchan ofBlind Cool Tech purchased this computer and
did a review of it at:
http://www.blindcooltech.com/





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Hardenbrook" <DaveH47 at mindspring.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:17 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Build your own computer?


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the
> Healing Force)" <n2fgc at a...> wrote:
> >
> > Some cases might come with supplies, I think, and it's always good to
> > estimate higher than what you might really think you need.
>
> My own system's case came with the Power Supply pre-installed.  I
> recommend
> Antec for cases and Power supplies.  It's also worth a few extra
> bucks to get a case that has a good strong Power supply (at least
> 400W),
> a removeable front panel for easy drive installation, and no rough
> sharp edges to cut your fingers on.
>
> > Remember, too, fans are your friends; lots of fans...one for your
> main
> > processor, and two for your tower.
>
> Agreed.  It's worth it to have a "loud" system if you know it's
> properly cooled.
>
> --
> Dave, Computer Techie With a Heart of Gold
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 30 18:03:07 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 30 Oct 2005 18:03:07 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1130695387.17.21207.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, October 30, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CST (GMT-06:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 22:13:41 2005
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:13:41 EST
Subject: Movie rant - might contain spoilers
Message-ID: <1dc.488cca1f.30969f95@aol.com>

 
Neri wrote:

I've just been visiting TLC, and I took a quick look  at the new GoF
clips. What can I tell you -  I'm sooo glad I never had  any plans to
watch this movie. These clips are just horrible. Everybody  is
overacting. Haven't they heard that British actors are supposed to  be
better, not worse, than the average Hollywood actor? It looks like  the
director was going "hurry, guys, hurry! We have 150 scenes to  squeeze
into a single movie! There will be a fat bonus to the actor with  the
highest words per minute count!" all the time.


Julie now:
While I agree British actors are often better than Hollywood  actors
of the "matinee idol" variety (Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, et al)--and  that's
only my opinion!--I don't think they are as a group necessarily  better
than American "actors" (those who pursue acting more as the  craft--for
instance, Sean Penn or Mickey Rourke). But I think it's a bit  of a moot 
point when it comes to Harry Potter. There is *notning* subtle  about
the Harry Potter characters in the books, so why should the movies  be
different? In a sense they chew the scenery in the books (via  JKR's
heavy use of adverbs and adjectives--e.g., Snape speaks snidely, 
sharply, coldly, furiously, smugly, et al--he never simply "speaks"!). 
So I would expect the characters to be equally melodramatic  in
the movies. 
 
Neri again:
 Moody isn't deformed,
isn't scary at all, acts hyperactive  instead of paranoid (probably the
winner of the words per minute bonus), and  his magic eye looks, well,
like a plastic eye attached with a strap. Rita  Skeeter looks... cute,
actually. I wouldn't mind being shut in a closet with  her and tell her
all about my sad life <g>. Hermione's Cinderella scene  (which doesn't
exist in the book, but who cares about that anymore) looks as  if it
was directed specially for ? well, I guess 12 yrs old girls *are*  a
large percentage of the target audience, but still... .  Snape  going
cuffing students and none of then seems to care the least ?  say
goodbye to the legend of Rickman's charisma. And Hogwarts  looks
gloomier than ever. I don't think I'd ever want to visit the  place.

 
Julie:
Movies and the books they're based on are rarely identical.  Directors
often take liberties, partly because film demands certain  compromises,
and partly because they have their own visions of the story too (just  as
each of us does). Though I've always thought Hogwarts sounded  fairly
gloomy myself, and I've never noticed anyone but Neville taking  Snape's
attitude too seriously in the books. Which is par for the course in  the
books, as the WW seems to take a lot of things quite a bit more  lightly
than we would, especially potentially injurious activities like  Quidditch,
kids hexing each other, teachers cuffing students, etc. 


Neri:
I'd avoid this movie. At all costs.

Julie:
That's your right. IMO, the only way to really approach these movies
is as separate entities from the books. They're really  just additional 
interpretations to enjoy, if one is amenable to the concept  of different 
interpretations. I quite enjoyed watching PoA despite the departures
from the book, and I expect I'll enjoy GoF too. But then I think the 
acting is reasonably good, and the production values are  fantastic,
so that makes it worthwhile for me. It may not be enough for those 
who prefer a single canon interpretation of the story and  characters, 
which is certainly a fair view too.
 
Julie 








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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Oct 31 00:00:19 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:00:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Build your own computer?
In-Reply-To: <117401c5dd76$02ed4230$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <000801c5ddae$1556b860$65a4a8c0@rosie>

I've heard of the Sony system of cooling, but there's something about
fans...guess I'm just a die-hard.  Gotta have fans!!! :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From srbecca at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 31 01:39:04 2005
From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:39:04 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Movie rant - might contain spoilers
In-Reply-To: <1dc.488cca1f.30969f95@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F5D683EBED3D5EB63A00DCA86C0@phx.gbl>

Julie wrote:
"the only way to really approach these movies
is as separate entities from the books. They're really  just additional
interpretations to enjoy"

I totally agree.  Although, I like the last movie way more than the first 
two I would never let it ruin the things I love about the books.  I'm quite 
looking forward to this one.  Mike Newell is a great "actor's" director.  I 
think it is very hard to judge an actor's or director's performance by a 
trailer of the movie.  It's sort of like reading the back cover of a book 
and saying you don't like the book based on the summary on the back.  I look 
at the movies as seperate entities..artisitic interpretations...and 
art/cinema is always subjective.

As far as the actor's performances in other movies, I think the kids have 
improved as they've aged.  I also feel that Rickman is right on point with 
his interpretation of the role.  I love Emma Thompson but felt she didn't 
really hit the mark in the last film.  However, I try not to let one shady 
performance outweigh an otherwise fine film. Hey, I make part of my living 
as an actor, I am super critical for the most part about actors but I really 
don't have a major problem with any one in the movies.

Besides, the movies are just fun to me.  I don't take it seriously, I just 
sit down and enjoy someone elses take on a great story.

Rebecca





From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Mon Oct 31 15:29:10 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee chase)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:29:10 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
Message-ID: <dk5d86+cqsv@eGroups.com>

Luckdragon:
I can't believe Jo hasn't changed anything on her website for 
Halloween. I know she is taking time off, but a few Halloween 
decorations or a new FAQ poll would not take much. I mean it is the 
anniversary of Lily & James Potter's deaths, LV's fall, and basically 
the beginning of "The boy who lived". Is anyone else dissapointed?






From rxtlc at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 18:38:47 2005
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (Jenn)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:38:47 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <dk5d86+cqsv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dk5obn+sip8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bee chase" <luckdragon64 at y...> wrote:
>
> Luckdragon:
> I can't believe Jo hasn't changed anything on her website for 
> Halloween. I know she is taking time off, but a few Halloween 
> decorations or a new FAQ poll would not take much. I mean it is the 
> anniversary of Lily & James Potter's deaths, LV's fall, and basically 
> the beginning of "The boy who lived". Is anyone else dissapointed?
>
I had roasted my pumkin seeds after making Mr. Jack O'Lantern, sat down at my computer 
and eagerly opened up to jkrowling.com at least hoping for a few new updates, or a pumpkin 
or two...  so yes, I'm sorely disappointed.  I'd take a snapshot of her kids in their costumes.  
I've spent the rest of my time catching up on the main lists posts, as my own Harry is having 
fun at childcare today.  
C'mon Jo... do we have to beg? You know we will...
and When IS my favorite matron/nurse's birthday?!  
Poppy/Jenn






From PenapartElf at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 21:36:05 2005
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:36:05 EST
Subject: Happy Halloween!
Message-ID: <207.d1852db.3097e845@aol.com>

Hello to all OTC Denizens!
 
As you may have noticed, Halloween is here and 
one of the carved pumpkins in our photos section 
has been chosen as the group home page photo.  
This glowingly lovely pumpkin image ("Wolf 
Pumpkin by Michele L") was brought to us by 
truckgal735 last year.
 
As you celebrate HALLOWEEN 2005 I hope you will 
take pictures of all things Potter to share with 
us here.  A photo album entitled "HALLOWEEN 2005" 
is now at 
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/photos
 
awaiting your contributions.  Thanks!
 
Hope you get more Treats than Tricks this year...
...beware of anything that looks like a product 
from WWW!
 
:) Penapart Elf