From morianna at mindspring.com  Thu Sep  1 01:10:10 2005
From: morianna at mindspring.com (Morianna X. Smythe)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:10:10 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] asking for prayer
In-Reply-To: <20050831233150.5610.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c5ae91$e6a23c10$220110ac@MoriMain>

I got this in California-but I think the toll-free number should be
available to all US areas-

Our prayers are with all the family and friends of all those who may be
affected by this disaster. 

 

Prof Mori

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From:  My Boss (his email stripped for privacy)
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:01 PM
To: All 
Subject: FW: Rescue Line for Victims




Just in case you know someone on the Gulf Coast. 
----------------------------------------------


State OES has learned that trapped victims on the Gulf Coast are calling
family, friends, loved-ones, or anyone they can get a call out to asking for
someone to rescue them.  These requests need to go
immediately to the US Coast Guard's Rescue Line at 800-323-7233 and
immediate assistance will be sent.

Please distribute this information as widely as possible.

Thank you.

************************************************************
Eric Lamoureux
Chief, Office of Public Information
California Governor's Office of Emergency Services
Ph. 916-845-8400
Cell. 916-869-3367
Pgr. 916-845-8911
Fax. 916-845-8444
eric_lamoureux at oes.ca.gov

 

<SNIP>

 

 

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From prncss1175 at msn.com  Thu Sep  1 02:11:15 2005
From: prncss1175 at msn.com (Molli Hall)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:11:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] asking for prayer
References: <410-220058331161428809@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY11-DAV2661529C29984988879DEBC8A00@phx.gbl>

I live in South East Texas about 1 hour outside of Lake Charles, LA.  We have quite a few of the hurricane survivors staying in shelters here.  They all say how many wanted to and did stay behind.  I will pray that you will hear from your family.  I pray that they are just fine and it is just a break down of the line that is keeping them from you.  We need to pray for everyone in the middle of this.  We need to get together as a people and take care of each other.  

Love everyone....Pray for peace and love always!

Molli
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chancie <mailto:chnc1024 at earthlink.net>
  To: OT Chatter<mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:14 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] asking for prayer


  Hi, I'm sure many of you have seen the pictures of destruction
  in Louisiana, and Mississippi from the hurricane, and how
  serious it is.  Well it just so happens that 60% of my family
  lives in south MS.  I grew up in Jackson county (It's located
  directly on the coast, and is the county directly to the east
  of Harrison County--where Biloxi and Gulfport are located)
  I have not heard from anyone since the day before Katrina hit. 
  My parents, my brother and my grandmother were suppose to 
  have left and go a few miles further north to George county (directly
  north of Jackson County) to a town called Lucedale, MS, I haven't 
  been able to contact them, and I have been unable to gather any 
  information from the News casts, since they are more focused 
  on the larger cities effected.  I also have Aunts, Uncles and 
  Cousins that live in this area, and I heard that at least one 
  family refused to leave and they live in a mobile home that isn't 
  equipped with Hurricane ties.  I would greatly appreciate any and 
  all prayers that would ask not only for the safety of my family 
  but for the safety of all of the people on the gulf coast effected 
  by this hurricane.

  Thanks,
  Chancie

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Thu Sep  1 14:47:42 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:47:42 -0000
Subject: asking for prayer
In-Reply-To: <410-220058331161428809@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <df74ae+10j84@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie " <chnc1024 at e...> 
wrote:

I don't 'do' prayers, but my thoughts and best wishes are with you, and 
the thousands like you waiting to hear that their family and friends 
are safe.

Sarah xxx






From catbird25 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 15:40:13 2005
From: catbird25 at gmail.com (dumetella2000)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:40:13 -0000
Subject: Disasters
Message-ID: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>

My prayers are for all who suffer, makes me feel good, may help them 
hold on, but they need more.  If prayers are all we have, what are we 
as a people?  Where is the preparation?  Where is the foresight?  What 
about the drained wetlands that could have absorbed the storm surge?  
What about the levees that weren't raised and strengthened?  Where's 
the planning?  Where's the funding?  Where is the equipment?  WHERE IS 
THE NATIONAL GUARD?    

We had days to get ready.  What happens if a dirty bomb goes off in 
downtown Washington?

Dark Mark on the White House.  

You who can get there, be in Washington September 24, posters and 
banners held high.  Fudge no longer-- this is REAL.











From LunaLovesHarry at aol.com  Thu Sep  1 17:30:40 2005
From: LunaLovesHarry at aol.com (LunaLovesHarry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:30:40 EDT
Subject: Tink-Tink-Tink
Message-ID: <19f.3b22450c.304894c0@aol.com>

Sorry I'm doing this late .... I was in Disneyland for several days.  :)

Anyway ... here goes:

* Name(s).
My  account is lunalovesharry .... not because I think Luna loves Harry (I 
don't "ship"), but because I personally relate to Luna and "I" love all things 
related to Harry Potter, hence the 'lunalovesharry' name.  Of course, I also 
sign as Elizabeth, which is my name.  Have I confused you?

* What would you see in the Mirror of Erised?
I would like to know!  I have so many desires in my life right now I might 
actually see many things.  For sure though, all good things for my son. 

* What form might your Patronus take?
A ram (I'm an aries)

* What might your animagus form be?
Something big that flies!  An eagle, maybe?

 * What gifts would you register for in Diagon Alley?
Books, wands and probably a bit of love potion from the Weasley's.  ;)

* What is your favourite flavour of jam?? 
Strawberry

* Which of the HP books is your favourite?
I love them all!  If I had to choose, I guess I'd say GOF.  Although POA is 
high on the list as well.  :)

* Who is your favorite character?
Harry, Ron, Luna and the twins.  Oh, and I love Molly Weasley.  Oh, and Ginny 
too!  Gosh, it's hard to choose.

* What things about you often come as a surprise to others?
How passionate I am about the Harry Potter book series.  Of course not around 
here because we're all a bit nutty aren't we?

* What do you hope will happen in Book 7?
That Snape will pay for his crime!  That Harry will live and good will 
overcome evil.

* What do you think will happen in Book 7?
We'll learn that Snape has a son (Draco?), Harry along with his friends will 
find a way to destroy all the horcruxes at once, and that Neville will find 
the source of his self confidence and discover his inner strength.

* Things you do when not staring at the computer:
Care for my son, run my marketing business, try to manage life as a single 
parent, read, and volunteer.

* If I lived in the potterverse .... gosh, I don't know!  I've never 
considered that.  I think I'd enjoy having a little shop in Hogsmeade ... maybe a tea 
shop or coffee house.



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 18:12:18 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:12:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
In-Reply-To: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>
References: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005090111126cb033a5@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/05, dumetella2000 <catbird25 at gmail.com> wrote:

> as a people?  Where is the preparation?  Where is the foresight?  What
> about the drained wetlands that could have absorbed the storm surge?
> What about the levees that weren't raised and strengthened?  Where's
> the planning?  Where's the funding?  Where is the equipment?  WHERE IS
> THE NATIONAL GUARD?

They aren't Floridians, who *expect* hurricanes to hit *every year*.
{g}  Seriously, the folk in south Florida got hit and there were some
deaths but the MS/LA basin area can go 'my disaster is bigger than
your disaster'... yeah, a good portion was because of the levees
giving way.  By nature, folks aren't prepared for a 'worst case
scenario'.


> We had days to get ready.  What happens if a dirty bomb goes off in
> downtown Washington?

SOL, indeed, but as recently proven by London, bombs can go off anywhere.

Personally, I stopped watching most news coverage because I don't need
to see other folks misery broadcast--I sure as hell would be *pissed*
if thousands saw me sweaty and upset--and I've already donated what I
could... Florida is still in hurricane season and personal survival
comes first.

Dina



From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  1 19:46:54 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Bamajenny)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:46:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
References: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

My family lives in New Orleans. They evacuated, and have been staying at
my house since last Sunday. The fault here is not with the White House.
All possible preparations were made, and if we were only dealing with
hurricane damage, the people of New Orleans would be back home by now.
They most likely would not have power, they would probably have to boil
their water before they could drink it, but odds are they would have
running water/toilet facilities.

However the problems now really have not much to do with Katrina and
everything to do with flooding and the collapse of the levees. No one
expected that. In fact, after the storm was over, New Orleans actually
started celebrating because they believed that the levees had held. Most
of the people who are now being plucked off of flooded roofs in New
Orleans were ordered to leave, because everyone knew that if the levees
did fail, then there would be flooding. Shelters were set up in the
Superdome, and transportation was provided for the people to get there.

The problems now are partly the result of transportation limitations caused
by the flooding and just the logistics of dealing with thousands of refugees.

But the biggest fault, in my opinion, lies with the governor of Louisiana. Unless
and until she calls out/activates the National Guard, the military cannot go in.
Now that she has (finally!) called out the Louisiana national guard, and requested
additional national guard from other states, the national guard can only be used
to supplement local law enforcement/emergency workers. The military cannot
take control unless/until martial law is declared. The governor of Mississippi
declared martial law there yesterday but that still has not happened in New
Orleans, in spite of the fact that the rescue workers have been shot at, and
armed gangs have shot at police precinct houses.

The local rescue workers and police are facing the same limitations as any one
else with lack of gas, water, food, etc. Yes, if this had been a 'dirty bomb' attack,
the situation would probably be even worse. But, if we were watching this
situation unfold in some third world country, we would be congratulating
ourselves on how fast American aid got there. And American officials will
learn from this, so that if the dirty bomb attack does ever come (God forbid!)
the results will not be the same.

Jenny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dumetella2000 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:40 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters


  My prayers are for all who suffer, makes me feel good, may help them 
  hold on, but they need more.  If prayers are all we have, what are we 
  as a people?  Where is the preparation?  Where is the foresight?  What 
  about the drained wetlands that could have absorbed the storm surge?  
  What about the levees that weren't raised and strengthened?  Where's 
  the planning?  Where's the funding?  Where is the equipment?  WHERE IS 
  THE NATIONAL GUARD?    

  We had days to get ready.  What happens if a dirty bomb goes off in 
  downtown Washington?

  Dark Mark on the White House.  

  You who can get there, be in Washington September 24, posters and 
  banners held high.  Fudge no longer-- this is REAL.










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From kcawte at ntlworld.com  Thu Sep  1 20:13:49 2005
From: kcawte at ntlworld.com (Kathryn Cawte)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:13:49 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
References: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com> <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
Message-ID: <431760FD.5010205@ntlworld.com>

Actually I don't think the problem lies with the way the state and 
federal government have reacted to the damage atrina did (although you 
made some good points) btu the way they reacted before she hit. The 
local news station was talking to insurance companies who had people 
rewady and witing in surrounding areas on Thursday - yet the first time 
Louisiana/NO really tried to make serious preparations seems to have 
been when they ordered evacuation only 24 hours before hand. i think the 
evac should have been started earlier. Also everything I have seen says 
that most of the people who stayed did so because they had no personal 
transportation - so in  mandatory evacuation of the city the authorities 
relied basically on people to get out on their own. If you don't have 
your own transportation you were screwed. That is when the National 
Guard shold have been called in - before the storm to evacuate those 
people who could not leave under their own steam. Yes there would have 
been people who refused  to go, but those who wanted to leave shoudll 
have been given a way out.

-- 
K
"Screw the Permit"
Joe of Clan Sylum
Lucas' Mate and Owner



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From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  1 20:48:50 2005
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:48:50 -0000
Subject: RAB *****big spoiler******
In-Reply-To: <df1b8n+97v5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df7pfi+4b3b@eGroups.com>


One speculation about another possible source is that it could be 
someone involved in foreign-language translation of HBP. Translators 
sometimes choose to translate names, or pick "native" names with a 
similar flavor. Thus, a translator would need to know who RAB is in 
order to correctly render the initials in the translation. (For 
example, the Black family are apparently the Zwart family in the Dutch 
translation, Dutch word for Black...)

--zgirnius






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 20:52:00 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:52:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
References: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com> <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>
Message-ID: <1a273840050901135276d619e0@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/05, Bamajenny <BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> However the problems now really have not much to do with Katrina and
> everything to do with flooding and the collapse of the levees. No one
> expected that. In fact, after the storm was over, New Orleans actually
> started celebrating because they believed that the levees had held. Most

Exactly.  During the day, news said New Orleans felt 'lucky' for
missing the worst of Katrina but we'd later find out luck didn't hold.
 As mentioned before, many don't prepare for 'worst case scenario'...
And I can understand why.

Dina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Sep  1 22:56:20 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:56:20 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df80uk+sb4k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumetella2000" 
<catbird25 at g...> wrote:
> My prayers are for all who suffer, makes me feel good, may help them 
> hold on, but they need more.  If prayers are all we have, what are we 
> as a people?  Where is the preparation?  Where is the foresight?  
What 
> about the drained wetlands that could have absorbed the storm surge?  
> What about the levees that weren't raised and strengthened?  Where's 
> the planning?  Where's the funding?  Where is the equipment?  WHERE 
IS 
> THE NATIONAL GUARD?    
> 
> We had days to get ready.  What happens if a dirty bomb goes off in 
> downtown Washington?
> 
> Dark Mark on the White House. 

Personally, I think the DM should go to those trying to exploit this 
horrible tragedy for political gain. 

   - CMC





From chnc1024 at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  1 23:00:19 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.net (Chancie )
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:00:19 -0700
Subject: asking for prayer ~~~UPDATE~~~
Message-ID: <410-2200594123019481@earthlink.net>

Chancie: 


Thanks so much for all the kind works of support that I've received from
everyone. My family is OK, or at least most of them are (there are still
a few who have been out of touch of the other family members, but hopefully
they will turn out to be ok too.) It was as many of you said that it was
simply an issue of being out of power therefore unable to contact me. 
I was mostly sure that would turn out to be the case, but still there's 
always that small "what if..." thought that seems to creep up when bad 
things happen. My father was able make his way to an area around 
Mobile that had power and called from a pay phone. He said that our 
home was still standing, but there was a good bit of damage, and he 
would be contacting FEMA to try and get some help with repairs, 
or to see what could be done, because it will not be livable 
by winter time (even though it isn't quite as cold there normally as it can
be in other parts of the country it's not unusual to have several weeks with below
freezing temperatures) . He also told me that he would consider himself extremely
lucky any of them were to be able to return to work any sooner than 6
months from now because of how extensive the damage really is. Thanks again
for all the support, and kindness you all have shown me. Please continue
to keep all of the people effected by this disasters in your thoughts and 
prayers. I feel very fortunate to have my family make it out of this alive,
unfortunately, I know many won't be as lucky. 

Thanks again!!
Chancie

Oh and for those who wanted to know, I haven't lived in the south since
I got married, (my hubby's in the Navy) so we were well out of danger
living in WA. 

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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Sep  1 23:01:01 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:01:01 -0000
Subject: Katrina: How to Help
Message-ID: <df817d+529o@eGroups.com>

For those who can offer financial assistance, Glenn Reynolds at 
Instapundit has a whole list of agencies devoted to relief work in the 
aftermath of Katrina.

http://www.instapundit.com

   - CMC







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  1 23:56:37 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:56:37 -0000
Subject: * Was Snape at Godric's Hollow? The answer is in HBP!
In-Reply-To: <dde7lf+6v9h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df84fl+sj21@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > This question is definitively answered in "Spinners's End."
Bellatrix demands to know where Snape was when the Dark Lord fell,
meaning that he was *not* at Godric's Hollow or she would not have
asked. Snape reminds her of what she already knows, that he was sent
by the Dark Lord to teach at Hogwarts, presumably to fill the vacant
(and jinxed!) DADA position.
<snip> 
> > Snape could not have helped LV at Godric's Hollow because he
wasn't there. He was already teaching at Hogwarts.

Gail in INd responded: 
> NO . . . I don't think that Sanpe was at Godric's 
> Hollow.    But when he found out that Lord V----- 
> had killed Lillie, that's when he joined up with 
> DD, because Sanpe had feelings for her, even ones 
> that he himself didn't want to face, until she 
> was dead!
> 
> 

Carol again:
But the problem is, he had already joined up with Dumbledore. He was
already teaching at Hogwarts (presumably as of September 1 when the
term began), and before that had been spying for Dumbledore "at great
personal risk." (Se "The Pensieve" chapter in GoF.) 

Maybe his remorse after Godric's Hollow sealed Dumbledore's trust, but
it can't be what sent him to Dumbledore in the first place. (He may
have learned that Voldemort was going after the Potters or he may have
been upset by Regulus Black's death; something happened *before*
Godric's Hollow that sent young Snape to Dumbledore. We just don't
know what it was.)

Carol, who believes in DD'sMan!Snape but not in the Snape/Lily or
Snape/Narcissa SHIPs






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 01:05:30 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:05:30 -0000
Subject: Tink-Tink-Tink!
In-Reply-To: <6a.5c345c99.303e981e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <df88gq+s23q@eGroups.com>

> * Name(s). 
Carol (justcarol)
>  
> * Provide the etymology of your signature/handle/moniker/email 
> address. In other words, how and why did you choose the name 
> you use on the HPfGU lists.
Well, I used to be DrCarol and got tired of people asking what kind of
doctor I was or making snide remarks like "I'll bet you're not a real
doctor" (actually, I do have a PhD in English), so I became justcarol.
>  
> * Whose signature/handle/moniker/email address at HPfGU 
> (a)  do you wish you had come up with first?
Hm. Not sure.
> (b)  intrigues you?
I've always liked SiriuslySnapeySusan's, but not being a Sirius fan, I
wouldn't have chosen it for myself.
>  
> * If you lived in the Potterverse, who would you be, and what 
would you do for a living?
Since I happen to be the real-life descendant of Martha Carrier, who
was hanged at the Salem witch trials, I'd probably be the Muggle
Studies teacher--teach them some *real* history rather than Goblin
rebellions, some art and literature and classical music--Muggle
Appreciation as opposed to how an electrical circuit work (which I
don't know, in any case). And I'd pass around Muggle sweets on the
last day of school.

>  
> * What would you see in the Mirror of Erised?
I'd see someone I loved and lost. They'd have to pull me away.
>  
> * What shape would a boggart take, if you chance upon one?
Poor old crippled Carol penniless on the street, begging for small
change. 
>  
> * What happy memory will you rely upon, if you are to conjure 
> up a Patronus?
How about winning the Coconino County Spelling Championship when I was
thirteen? That's not really my happiest memory, but the others are too
personal and bittersweet.
>  
> * What form might your Patronus take?
Severus Snape? Oh, seriously. Some sort of animal. Hm. A dolphin, I
suppose.
>  
> * What might your animagus form be?
Definitely *not* a dolphin as I'd be stranded on dry land! A cat or a
bird, maybe. Something with more freedom than a person has.
>  
> * What gifts would you register for in Diagon Alley?  Or would 
> it be Knockturn Alley?  How about at Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes?
Anything that would do the housework for me. Self-correcting quills or
something of the sort to mark essays if I were the Muggle Studies
teacher or an editor. Nothing from Knockturn Alley or Weasleys'
Wizarding Wheezes.

>  
> * Times being what they are...what is your favorite flavor of 
> jam? 
Apricot
What is your dearest ambition?
I have, alas, no ambition whatever and would be a dismal failure as a
Slytherin. If I had world enough and time (I mean money, drive,
energy, and better eyesight), I'd write well-researched historical novels.
>  
> * Which of the HP books is your favorite?
GoF, by far.
>  
> * Who is your favorite character?
Severus Snape.
>  
> * What do you hope will happen in Book 7?
Snape saves Harry and is redeemed, even helping him to remove the
curse on the next-to-last Horcrux (the unknown one before Nagini).
Harry defeats Voldemort by possessing him and kills him with Love.
Snape leaves to become headmaster of Durmstrang and Harry returns to
Hogwarts a year late to study for his NEWTS. Percy redeems himself. OBHWF.
>  
> * What do you think will happen in Book 7?
No idea. HBP violated most of my expectations and all of my hopes. I
think Harry defeating Voldemort is a given. More characters will die,
probably at least one Weasley and Remus Lupin. Snape, too--almost a
given. And there'll be something about House Elves and Giants and
Acromantulas. Mrs. Figg will perform magic at an advanced age. As I
said, no idea.
>  
> * Given all the books whose titles are canon (see 
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizworld/books.html ) which would you 
> read cover to cover *first*?
Hogwarts: A History
>  
> * What's in your Scrapbook for JKRowling.com ?
> (
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-scrapbook.html )
I had the first five items till my computer crashed after which I
retrieved four. Can't get the marble to work. Now I'll probably follow
this link even though I'm not sure it's worth the time. . . . 
>  
> * What's your personal best for Expert Level Minesweeper?
Um, uh, I know how to get to it on my PC! If I *must* waste time, I'd
rather play solitaire.
>  
> * When did you join HPfGU?  How did you find us?
Not absolutely certain. I think it was August 2003.
>  
> * Point us to your delurking post...how was that maiden voyage?
Come on, now. You know how long it takes to find anything with that
search engine. I remember being warmly welcomed by Tonks, who was glad
to see another Snape fan. (Hi, Tonks!)
>  
> * Point us to your favorite posts, your own or otherwise.
Since you asked:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/134812
 (my Impedimenta theory)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/137961
 (my DADA curse theory)
>  
> * Point us to, in hindsight, what you now wish you'd never said 
> [ex.: ships sunken by new can(n)on, being flagged by LOONs...]
Anything and everything about Mark Evans.
>  
> * Have you been around since August 2000?  What were the hot 
> topics for you personally five years ago, post-GoF?
Nope. The only hot topic for me, ever, has been Snape.
>  
> * What things about you often come as a surprise to others?
That I'm intrigued by the Harry Potter books? That I have a rather
wicked sense of humor?
>  
> * Things you do when not staring at the computer:
Read HP, with or without a twelve-year-old. I do occasionally get out
of the house, but this time of year, it's either too hot to go
anywhere or raining.
 
> More HP fun (share your results please!):
>  
> * Ever wonder into which Hogwarts House the Sorting Hat would 
> put you? 
Ravenclaw, no question.
>  
> * Is your interest in Harry Potter just good, harmless fun...or
> are you bordering on obsessive? 
*Bordering on?*

> * Passionate about HPfGU's myriad of theories? Pick up some 
> acronyms to decorate your signature with at
I came up with ACID POPS. That's as close to Inish Alley or T-Bay as I
come.

Carol, hoping that she hasn't bored everyone to tears with her responses





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 01:14:35 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:14:35 -0000
Subject: Tink-Tink-Tink! Correction
In-Reply-To: <df88gq+s23q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df891r+b7pe@eGroups.com>

I (Carol) wrote:
 
> I came up with ACID POPS. That's as close to Inish Alley or T-Bay as
I come.

Carol again:
Sorry. I mean, I came up with the acronym and one of the spelled out
versions of the title (Alas, Cissy Is Despondent. Perhaps Old Playmate
Severus?)

It's Neri's SHIP, of course!

Carol, who normally would not have boarded a SHIP even momentarily but
was flattered when Neri liked her acronym





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 02:07:46 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:07:46 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation of "Horcrux"
In-Reply-To: <dcmecl+il1o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df8c5i+3v6o@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > Well, the letter "h" and therefore presumably the "h" sound
existed in Latin, so I think the audio books pronunciation is correct.
> 
jlnbtr (did I get that right? responded:
> The english H sound (as in Horace?) I don't think it existed in
Latin, I know it doesn't exist in french (the H does, not the sound),
and neither in Spanish (the H sound is more like a J), and neither in
 Italian. I think it's just an english sound.
>
Carol again:
IIRC, the H sound was indicated in ancient Greek by a breath mark (').
I think that the Romans indicated the same sound with the borrowed
Greek letter Eta, which in Greek represented the long e sound. If the
letter H, as in Horatius, were silent in Latin, there would have been
no reason for adapting a Greek letter to represent it. The name would
simply have been Oratius, with no need for an H. Nor could the H in
Latin have represented long e (EEOh RAY TEE US), a sound which in any
case was represented by E in the Latin alphabet, as it is in ours.

I'm not absolutely sure of myself here, but I don't think that French
pronunciation, which developed *from* Latin rather than vice versa, is
any indication of the existence of the H sound in Latin. The H sound
could have dropped out of the Vulgar Latin spoken in Gaul while the
letter itself remained. (The sound did exist in early Semitic
alphabets; it was not invented by the Saxons or by the later English.)

In any case, "horcrux," despite its Latin roots, would be an English
word with the same first syllable as "horticulture" or "Horace." Or
that's how I read it.

Geoff (or anyone who's taught or taken Latin recently), can you help
us out here?

Carol, who agrees that Fleur would pronounce the word as 'orcrux if
she could bring 'erself to pronounce it at all






From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 03:08:57 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Bamajenny)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:08:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
References: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com> <00ce01c5af2e$632ac170$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE> <431760FD.5010205@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <014b01c5af6c$0d85abc0$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

Actually, every time there is a hurricane expected, insurance companies have
adjusters standing by before landfall, so them being ready in New Orleans
is standard procedure. There was a voluntary evacuation requested on Friday,
when the storm was still being predicted to come to me here in Panama City,
Florida. Yes, the mandatory evacuation seemed to come at the last minute,
but it was ordered as soon as it was evident that New Orleans would be
hit. When the mandatory evacuation was ordered, buses were provided to
move people to the superdome, which was set up as a shelter.
Jenny 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kathryn Cawte 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters


  Actually I don't think the problem lies with the way the state and 
  federal government have reacted to the damage atrina did (although you 
  made some good points) btu the way they reacted before she hit. The 
  local news station was talking to insurance companies who had people 
  rewady and witing in surrounding areas on Thursday - yet the first time 
  Louisiana/NO really tried to make serious preparations seems to have 
  been when they ordered evacuation only 24 hours before hand. i think the 
  evac should have been started earlier. Also everything I have seen says 
  that most of the people who stayed did so because they had no personal 
  transportation - so in  mandatory evacuation of the city the authorities 
  relied basically on people to get out on their own. If you don't have 
  your own transportation you were screwed. That is when the National 
  Guard shold have been called in - before the storm to evacuate those 
  people who could not leave under their own steam. Yes there would have 
  been people who refused  to go, but those who wanted to leave shoudll 
  have been given a way out.

  -- 
  K
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From chnc1024 at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  2 15:30:49 2005
From: chnc1024 at earthlink.net (Chancie )
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:30:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Disasters
Message-ID: <410-22005952153049387@earthlink.net>

>
> Actually, every time there is a hurricane expected, insurance companies
have
> adjusters standing by before landfall, so them being ready in New Orleans
> is standard procedure. There was a voluntary evacuation requested on
Friday,
> when the storm was still being predicted to come to me here in Panama
City,
> Florida. Yes, the mandatory evacuation seemed to come at the last minute,
> but it was ordered as soon as it was evident that New Orleans would be
> hit. When the mandatory evacuation was ordered, buses were provided to
> move people to the superdome, which was set up as a shelter.
> Jenny 




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chancie:

I also would like to add, that it is not to say that having an earlier
"mandatory" evacuation would have saved any more lives, or 
put any of the survivors to date in a better scenario, simply because
while there were many in New Orleans who did want to leave,
but were unable to, there were just as many that REFUSED to leave.
Regardless of "voluntary" or "mandatory" evacuations, no one can
force anyone from their homes.  

And too, hurricanes change direction so quickly, and can have changes 
in wind so quickly, that it's not really possible to say what will, and 
will not be a major hurricane when it hits land, and where it will hit much 
more than 24 hours.  If the gov. was to do try to give  notice sooner, then 
they would be calling for evacuations of possibly HUNDREDS of coastal
communities, and after 2 or 3 of this type of evacuation orders, people 
would learn to ignore the warnings all together.  Any one who lives
on the coast in the south knows to watch any approaching hurricanes,
and we (I still say "we" even though I haven't lived there in nearly 3
years)
also know that it's to our advantage to have basic hurricane supplies on
hand,
to keep from having to rush to the stores constantly.  There have been 
many occasions where hurricanes have been considered "major" and ended 
up being little more than a big thunder storm because of last minute
downgrading
in the wind.  The problem isn't really not giving enough notice, it's 
that hurricanes are a normal part of life in the south, and most are little
to worry about, unfortunately some people still take that way of thinking
when the big ones come along too.  

Also just one more comment,  had the gov. also activated the national guard
before the disaster, then not only would it be endangering the lives of the 
guardsmen, but it would have also possibly have worsened the relief
efforts by getting them stuck in a place that was in less need of supplies.

Chancie





From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Fri Sep  2 19:30:45 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:30:45 -0000
Subject: CTS hosting an author chat on Saturday, 9/3/05 at 7:30 Pm EST
Message-ID: <dfa995+dvna@eGroups.com>

WT announces next Author Chat!

The next chat is one that is very special to all concerned at
WizardTales. The guest hosting the chat is none other than our beloved
Site owner Charles (Cts).

Cts is the enigmatic writer of Reign O'er Me. The fic that has
captured so many of our imaginations and thrilled us for over thirty
wonderful chapters and 280,000+ words.  This is an excellent
Harry/Ginny romance fic as well. 

What is so wonderful about his writing is that he can write every
genre so masterfully. Whether it be mystery, romance, action, or
humour. Reign O'er Me contains them all.

He is also a master at characterizations. All his characters are fully
fleshed out, and written in vivid and colourful detail. His OC's are
some of the best in fandom.

Reign O'er Me is a very well balanced fic. The flow,
characterizations, plots and subplots, cliffhangers, and the awesome
H/G relationship surely put it right up there as an all time favorite
fanfic.

Come join us down in the Wizardtales Chatroom where we will try to
coax this magnificent Author to give us his writing secrets.

The chats are scheduled for Saturday the 3rd of September, 7:30 pm EST
and Sunday the 4th of September, 2 pm EST

Do not miss this one folks. It's not one to be missed.

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4:30 PST on Saturday 8/27/05 in the US; 12:30 am on Sunday 8/28/05 in
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Time Zone Translations for Sunday 9/04/05 = 1:00 PM CST, 12:00 PM
(Noon) MST and 11:00 AM PST on Sunday 8/28/05 in the US; 7:00 PM on
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Please join us at www.wizardtales.net/chat on either Saturday or
Sunday (or both!) to chat with Cts. Registration is quick and easy,
and we hope to see you there!






From judy at judyshapiro.com  Fri Sep  2 19:40:23 2005
From: judy at judyshapiro.com (Judy)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:40:23 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <410-22005952153049387@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <dfa9r7+5qn1@eGroups.com>

I am absolutely appalled at the situation in New Orleans. Who would 
have thought this could happen in America?  

Preparedness in New Orleans was lacking in at least three areas. The 
first problem was that money for storm protections such as levees and 
barrier islands had been cut. [www.Salon.com has a good article on 
this.] The second problem was that many thousands of residents and 
tourists without cars were left with no way out of town. And the 
third is that the emergency workers (police, etc) were woefully 
unprepared to deal with this crisis; unable to keep order or provide 
essentials like drinking water.

The follow-up response to the disater was even worse. I heard an 
interview with the head of FEMA in which he said his agency hadn't 
known of the desperate conditions at the Superdome and Convention 
Center until Thursday.  How is that possible?  Doesn't anyone in his 
agency own a TV?

Jenny wrote:
>> Yes, the mandatory evacuation seemed to come at the last minute,
>> but it was ordered as soon as it was evident that New Orleans 
>> would be hit. When the mandatory evacuation was ordered, buses
>> were provided to
>> move people to the superdome, which was set up as a shelter.

and Chancie said:
> while there were many in New Orleans who did want to leave,
> but were unable to, there were just as many that REFUSED to leave.
> Regardless of "voluntary" or "mandatory" evacuations, no one can
> force anyone from their homes.  

One of the main factors contributing to this disaster was the 
complete lack of evacuation transportation for people without cars. 
New Orleans is an urban area where many residents and tourists have 
no cars.  I travel a lot, so I have been paying attention to the 
experience of tourists in the city.  Many tourists were desperate to 
leave before the hurricane, but no transportation was available -- 
they tried cabs, rental cars, planes, even trying to arrange a 
hellicopter -- everything was full.  

Sure, some people in New Orleans may have wanted to stay, but even if 
they had wanted to leave, it would have made little difference.  
Unless they had a car, there was no way out.  (I know there are cars 
left in the city, but many of these probably belong to two car 
families who left together in one car.  Unless one was willing to 
steal a car, and knew how to start it with no key, these left over 
cars were pretty useless.)  Why didn't the governor use school buses 
to take people to inland, higher ground?  In most areas of the 
country, schools are equiped to serve as shelters. 

As for having buses to take people to the "shelter" of the Superdome, 
the entire city was supposed to be evacuated.  What's the point of 
setting up "shelters" in an area you are trying to evacuate?

I hope this tragedy serves as a wake-up call for the U.S. We need to 
do better next time.






From msbeadsley at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 20:28:44 2005
From: msbeadsley at yahoo.com (msbeadsley)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:28:44 -0000
Subject: *&^%!%$#   Yahoomort
Message-ID: <dfacls+aers@eGroups.com>

Can anybody tell me, does anybody know, how to deal with the
involuntary and misplaced line breaks appearing rampantly in messages
I edit over a couple of times? I have tried saving what I've done in
other programs, including something like a simple text editor which
supposedly doesn't add a lot of gobbledygook formatting, but it's NOT
WORKING. Help!

Thanks.

Sandy aka msbeadsley





From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  2 21:05:57 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (bamajenny12)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:05:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disasters
References: <dfa9r7+5qn1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <027b01c5b002$21602760$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>

Jenny's comments embedded.....
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Judy 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:40 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disasters

  Judy said:
  I am absolutely appalled at the situation in New Orleans. Who would have thought this could happen in America?  

  Preparedness in New Orleans was lacking in at least three areas. The first problem was that money for storm protections such as levees and barrier islands had been cut. [www.Salon.com has a good article on this.] 
  ===============
  Jenny Here: Yes, this funding has been cut, but that does
  not mean that the levees were neglected. The city of New
  Orleans is constantly inspecting/rebuilding/upgrading the
  levee system. I don't think that lack of funding was a
  major factor in this disaster. There were after all only
  three breaches in two levees through out the city.
  ===============
  Judy again:
  The second problem was that many thousands of residents and 
  tourists without cars were left with no way out of town.
  ===============
  Jenny again:
  Yes, when flights were cancelled on Saturday, tourists were left without a way out of town. But the city provided buses
  to the superdome for people who couldn't or wouldn't leave
  town. Several hotels were exempted from the evacuation order
  so that the tourists had a place to stay.
  ===============
  Judy:
  And the third is that the emergency workers (police, etc) were woefully unprepared to deal with this crisis; unable to keep order or provide essentials like drinking water.
  ===============
  Jenny:
  New Orleans had a flood plan in case the levees ever broke. Unfortunately, their plan did not factor in no communication, (not even 911 or police dispatch) no gas, and 80% of the city being under water, or being shot at while trying to rescue people. Even now, it is next to impossible to call a 504 area code land line or cellphone. I'm sure that when this is all over, the city will redo their flood plan. Even though it was not enough for the sheer magnatude of people, there was some aid available immediately after Katrina was over, but once the flooding started, that aid could not get where it was most needed.
  ===============
  Judy:
  The follow-up response to the disater was even worse. I heard an interview with the head of FEMA in which he said his agency hadn't known of the desperate conditions at the Superdome and Convention Center until Thursday.  How is that possible?  Doesn't anyone in his agency own a TV?
  ===============
  Jenny:
  Please understand that the convention center and superdome
  are two totally separate places. I say that just to point
  out that the convention center was never intended to be
  used as a shelter. Yes, the convention center was being
  mentioned on TV, but the reports I heard were not clear that
  they really meant two different places. My brother has lived
  in New Orleans since 1971, and even he thought the reporters
  were just confused and refering to the superdome as "the
  convention center". And it was quite a while after they
  started talking about it before they showed pictures so that
  we did realize they meant two different places.

  FEMA did know about the Superdome, but not the situation at
  the Convention center, mainly because of the lack of
  communication within the city of New Orleans. Everyone knew
  about the superdome because it was opened before the storm as a shelter, but not the convention center. Because the convention center is right on the river, there was a very good chance that it would flood during the hurricane. Actually it didn't, and people started going there, thinking that it would be a shelter. A CNN reporter talked to people there, all of whom said they went there based on a rumor.

  More than one of the reporters repeatedly made the comment they were in "a communications bubble" and that they had no idea what was going on outside their own little area. So, how was FEMA supposed to find out about the convention center? Whether or not some one had a TV, there was no power in New Orleans, no cable to pick up a CNN broadcast, and I really doubt if any one had time to watch TV. I know, Washington should watch TV, and tell New Orleans, but I doubt that the
  people in Washington were watching TV.
  ===============
  Judy:
  One of the main factors contributing to this disaster was the complete lack of evacuation transportation for people without cars. New Orleans is an urban area where many residents and
  tourists have no cars.  I travel a lot, so I have been paying
  attention to the experience of tourists in the city.  Many tourists were desperate to leave before the hurricane, but no transportation was available -- they tried cabs, rental cars, planes, even trying to arrange a hellicopter -- everything was full.  

  Sure, some people in New Orleans may have wanted to stay, but
  even if they had wanted to leave, it would have made little difference. Unless they had a car, there was no way out.  (I know there are cars left in the city, but many of these probably belong to two car families who left together in one car.  Unless one was willing to steal a car, and knew how to start it with no key, these left over cars were pretty useless.)  Why didn't the governor use school buses 
  to take people to inland, higher ground?  In most areas of the country, schools are equiped to serve as shelters. 

  As for having buses to take people to the "shelter" of the Superdome, the entire city was supposed to be evacuated.  What's the point of setting up "shelters" in an area you are trying to evacuate?
  ===============
  Jenny:
  Yes, there were tourists stuck in New Orleans, but the city
  had very little notice that the storm was headed directly to
  them. Landfall was Monday morning at about 6am. As late as
  Friday night, Katrina was still being predicted to be coming
  to me in Panama City, Florida. The complete evacuation of the
  entire city was NOT ordered for the hurricane. The complete
  evacuation was ordered after the flooding began. They have
  been evacuating people just from the dome for more than two
  days now, and I don't think they are finished. There was not
  enough time before the storm to evacuate people completely out of the city. That is why shelters were set up and people were taken there. My family evacuated on Sunday morning, but not because they were ordered to. They left because we have lived on the gulf coast for all our lives, and we had a very good idea what a CAT5 hurricane could do.
  ===============
  Judy:
  I hope this tragedy serves as a wake-up call for the U.S. We need to do better next time.
  ===============
  Jenny one last time:
  I definitely agree with that statement.

  First everyone needs to realize that New Orleans is having to
  deal with two major disastors. New Orleans actually survived the hurricane very well. There was some damage,and some
  flooding in areas that everyone knew would flood, but over
  all New Orleans came through that just great. The people in
  the French Quarter were celebrating because they hadn't
  flooded, and because there was very little damage. As of
  Monday afternoon, my family was planning on heading back to New Orleans on Tuesday morning.

  Then, the second disaster came: the breach in the levees. By
  the time that happened, people had actually started going
  back to their homes. Some of the people who were caught and
  had to be rescued could possibly have stayed elsewhere during
  the storm. The reason I say that the breach in the levee is a
  second disaster is because the people of New Orleans live
  with that every day. That is something that could happen
  during a bad thunderstorm, or after several days of rain.
  They didn't have to have a hurricane to cause it.

  Personally, I think that the responding agencies have done
  the best they could under the circumstances. No, I don't
  think it is the best that could have been done, but this is
  the type of situation that no one plans for because, until
  it happens, no one would ever expect that it would be this
  bad. Just like I'm sure that New Orleans will revamp their
  flood plan, I'm sure that FEMA and other agencies will be
  reviewing their response plans. Hopefully, this will help
  improve the response for future disasters.
  Jenny

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Sep  2 23:05:19 2005
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:05:19 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <dfa9r7+5qn1@eGroups.com>
References: <410-22005952153049387@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4319674F.26394.55B9CFE@localhost>

On 2 Sep 2005 at 19:40, Judy wrote:

> The follow-up response to the disater was even worse. I heard an
> interview with the head of FEMA in which he said his agency hadn't
> known of the desperate conditions at the Superdome and Convention
> Center until Thursday.  How is that possible?  Doesn't anyone in his
> agency own a TV?

Look, I work in an area related to emergency management and have 
spent the last few days helping to work out how Australia might be 
able to help with Katrina.

First of all, people working at places like FEMA - at the moment, 
most of them won't have time to be watching television (although 
generally speaking there will be teams doing just that). Secondly, 
you don't base decisions on what the media is telling you is 
happening, because the media is prone to exagerate things during 
emergencies. You rely on proper communications.

If FEMA didn't know there were problems, that points to a real 
communications breakdown and that's a problem - but seriously, don't 
expect these organisations to base decisions on TV news - for one 
thing, journalists generally aren't in the worst affected areas, so 
if you go where the journalists are, it looks good on TV, but you 
often wind up missing out on helping people in far worse situations.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From judy at judyshapiro.com  Sat Sep  3 02:48:33 2005
From: judy at judyshapiro.com (Judy)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:48:33 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <027b01c5b002$21602760$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <dfb2u1+8tsu@eGroups.com>

Jenny, let me point out that it is not the city of New Orleans that I 
hold primarily responsible for this disaster. (I'm sorry that this 
wasn't clear in my original post.)  It is primarily the Federal 
government, and secondarily the State of Louisiana.  

About levee funding:
>   Jenny Here: Yes, this funding has been cut, but that does
>   not mean that the levees were neglected. The city of New
>   Orleans is constantly inspecting/rebuilding/upgrading the
>   levee system. I don't think that lack of funding was a
>   major factor in this disaster. There were after all only
>   three breaches in two levees through out the city.

Primary responsiblity for coastline and seaport protection lives with 
the Federal government.  For the past several years, the Army Corp of 
Engineers has said more money was deperately needed for the levees 
and other protections around New Orleans; Lousiana officials also 
asked for money.  They didn't get it.  As for how bad the levee 
breech was -- 80% of the city is under water; the only reason the 
rest isn't is that it was above lake & sea level to begin with. 

In 2004, FEMA conducted a training exercise, dubbed "Hurricane Pam", 
which simulated the effects of a direct hurricane strike on New 
Orleans.  The FEMA exercise concluded that the city would be under 15 
feet of water and that as many as 60,000 could die. (Fortunately, 
Katrina did not strike New Orleans directly, which is one reason the 
death toll is lower.) It is clear that the possibility of levee 
failure and catastrophic flooding were very well known.  


Jenny said:
"New Orleans had a flood plan in case the levees ever broke. 
Unfortunately, their plan did not factor in no communication, (not 
even 911 or police dispatch) no gas, and 80% of the city being under 
water, or being shot at while trying to rescue people. Even now, it 
is next to impossible to call a 504 area code land line or 
cellphone...
Even though it was not enough for the sheer magnatude of people, 
there was some aid available immediately after Katrina was over, but 
once the flooding started, that aid could not get where it was most 
needed."

In *any* hurricane, let alone one striking a city that is below sea 
level, the large majority of deaths are the result of various forms 
of flooding, rather than wind damage. Any hurricane plan that doesn't 
count on severe flooding is no plan at all. 

The fact that police communications failed shows that the New Orleans 
police either had poor training or poor equipment, or both. Emergency 
agencies are allocated a large swath of bandwidth (ie., number of 
radio frequencies) for their exclusive use, and police spend a lot of 
taxpayer money on radios, precisely so that they do not have to rely 
on phones.  My husband designs police radio systems for a living,  
and he is appalled at the reports he's hearing of no communications. 
And, if the New Orleans police lacked emergency communications, the 
State Police or National Guard should have provided it. 

As for saying that FEMA couldn't be expected to know that people in 
New Orleans were desperate and dying -- virtually everyone in the US 
knew that.  If FEMA was the last to know, then that's a serious 
problem.  Shawn, I understand your argument that emergency personnel 
shouldn't always go where the cameras are, but in the case, they 
simply weren't present *anywhere* at the disaster for days. 


Jenny said:
"The complete evacuation of the entire city was NOT ordered for the 
hurricane. The complete evacuation was ordered after the flooding 
began...."

No, a mandatory evacuation for everyone in New Orleans was ordered 
*before* the storm:
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL082705nagin.b7724856.html
"10:11 AM CDT on Sunday, August 28: Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a 
mandatory evacuation of the city of New Orleans in the face of 
Category-5 Katrina which was expected to make a direct strike on the 
city early Monday. The order extends to everyone in the city of New 
Orleans with the following exceptions..." (exceptions then listed are 
mostly emergency workers such as police)

Furthermore, FEMA head Michael Brown blamed residents who stayed in 
the city, saying that everyone had been ordered out before the storm:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.fema.brown/index.html 
"Michael Brown also agreed with other public officials that the death 
toll in the city could reach into the thousands. 'Unfortunately, 
that's going to be attributable a lot to people who did not heed the 
advance warnings,' Brown told CNN. 'I don't make judgments about why 
people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory 
evacuation of New Orleans,' he said."

The government is trying to have it both ways.  First, they tell 
people just to go to the Superdome because no transportation is 
available to get out of town.  Then, when people do just that, FEMA 
says it is their own fault if they die of heat stroke and 
dehydration. 


The bottom line is, the US government has drastically reduced its 
preparations for natural disasters.  In fact, FEMA is currently being 
phased out, and the agency that is supposed to replace it has not yet 
been created.  This should worry *everyone*, not just people living 
in hurricane-prone areas. (see 
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//index.php?ntid=52563&ntpid=1 )

Again, I am not trying to blame New Orleans; I think the biggest 
failure here was the Federal government. However, you seem to be 
saying that the government can not be expected to prevent disasters, 
and can not be expected to help people when a disaster strikes.  I 
say that preventing disasters and helping people when they occur is 
the *main* thing a government is expected to do.  







From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  3 04:03:53 2005
From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Bamajenny)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:03:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disasters
References: <dfb2u1+8tsu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <026b01c5b03c$cca26bd0$0201a8c0@ROLLTIDE>

Judy said:
Primary responsiblity for coastline and seaport protection lives
with the Federal government.  For the past several years, the Army
Corp of Engineers has said more money was deperately needed for the
levees and other protections around New Orleans; Lousiana officials
also asked for money.  They didn't get it.  As for how bad the levee 
breech was -- 80% of the city is under water; the only reason the 
rest isn't is that it was above lake & sea level to begin with. 

Jenny here:
Judy, part of your and my 'communication problem' :-) is that I think we
differ in what we mean when we say "New Orleans". I mean Greater New
Orleans, which includes Kenner, River Ridge, Metarie, and several other
cities. I think that way because my family lives in "New Orleans", but
not in the "City of New Orleans". When the mayor says that 80% of
the city is under water, he is correct. But he is refering to just the
city limits of New Orleans itself. Only about 25% of Greater New
Orleans was flooded, which is why I think that the levee system did a
fairly good job.

Judy said:
As for saying that FEMA couldn't be expected to know that people in 
New Orleans were desperate and dying -- virtually everyone in the US 
knew that.  If FEMA was the last to know, then that's a serious 
problem.

Jenny here:
Judy, I never said that FEMA couldn't be expected to know that people in New
Orleans were desperate and dying. What I said was that FEMA did not know
that thousands of people had gathered at the convention center. The convention
center was never officially opened as a shelter, not even before the storm, and
there were no relief workers there at all. The first people there broke in, and
more and more people followed.

Judy said:
In *any* hurricane, let alone one striking a city that is below
sea level, the large majority of deaths are the result of various
forms of flooding, rather than wind damage. Any hurricane plan
that doesn't count on severe flooding is no plan at all.<snip>

Jenny here:
I agree. In fact, I said that the New Orleans plan obviously
didn't work.

Judy said:
The fact that police communications failed shows that the New
Orleans police either had poor training or poor equipment, or both.
<snip> if the New Orleans police lacked emergency communications, the 
State Police or National Guard should have provided it. <snip>

Jenny here:
I believe that this is still the result of a flood plan that was
not based on the worse-case scenario. I think (just my opinion)
that the plan was based on the worse that had ever happened,
rather than the worse that could possibly happen.

Judy said:
No, a mandatory evacuation for everyone in New Orleans was ordered 
*before* the storm

Jenny here:
Again, the differece in what you and I think of as "New Orleans".
This evacuation was for the city of New Orleans, not greater New
Orleans. Everything Ray Nagin says/does applies ONLY to the city
of New Orleans. Greater New Orleans includes Orleans Parish, St.
Tamany Parish, St. Charles Parish, St. Bernard Parish, and
Jefferson Parish. There may be more, but that is all that I can
think of right now.

Judy said:
I am not trying to blame New Orleans; I think the biggest failure
here was the Federal government. However, you seem to be saying that
the government can not be expected to prevent disasters, and can not
be expected to help people when a disaster strikes.  I say that
preventing disasters and helping people when they occur is the *main*
thing a government is expected to do.

Jenny here:
So... you think that the federal government could have prevented
Katrina? Or you think they could have prevented the flooding?
Personally, I don't think that the federal government could have
PREVENTED either one. Yes, I think that federal government should
have responded faster, but I believe that the brunt of the blame
should be laid at the feet the governor of Louisiana. She is the
one who (very nonchantly) told police to ignore looters because
they should be trying to save lives. She is the one who did not
activate the Louisiana national guard and/or request additional
guard assistance from other states or the federal government
until waaaayyyyyyy too late. Nagin tried, but again, all he can
do is just within the city limits of New Orleans. The governor
waited until Thursday, when the situation had gotten too out of
hand, and she still hasn't actually declared martial law. Contrast
this with the governor of Mississippi who declared martial law
on Tuesday, the day after the storm.

Judy, I think that you and I agree more than disagree. I do
think that the federal government could have responded faster.
I do think that more could have been done a head of time, but
I think that would have been aimed at hurricane preparations,
rather than flooding.

I truly hope that the chaos in New Orleans will lead to a lot
of reevaluation at the local, state and federal level. What has
happened there should never have happened any where in the
world. I can only pray that it will never happen again.

Jenny 


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  3 08:39:31 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:39:31 -0000
Subject: *&^%!%$#   Yahoomort
In-Reply-To: <dfacls+aers@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfbng3+g1lv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "msbeadsley" <msbeadsley at y...>
wrote:
> Can anybody tell me, does anybody know, how to deal with the
> involuntary and misplaced line breaks appearing rampantly in messages
> I edit over a couple of times? I have tried saving what I've done in
> other programs, including something like a simple text editor which
> supposedly doesn't add a lot of gobbledygook formatting, but it's NOT
> WORKING. Help!
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sandy aka msbeadsley

bboyminn:

Assuming you are sending your posts using an email program that
program is likely putting line-breaks in at an assigned location,
usually something like 72 characters. I don't know what email program
you are using but the is certainly some place to shut off this
auto-line-break feature.

If you are posting them on the web interface, then again, it's likely
that your program/editor is inserting line-breaks at the wordwrap. In
most editors this can also be shut off.

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn






From miamibarb at BellSouth.net  Sat Sep  3 16:08:46 2005
From: miamibarb at BellSouth.net (ivogun)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:08:46 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005090111126cb033a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfchqe+j4i9@eGroups.com>

-> They aren't Floridians, who *expect* hurricanes to hit *every year*.
> {g}  

Last year was a freak year for Florida hurricanes--a bumper crop. However, if you include 
Central America and Texas, most of the all-time worst hurricanes have stuck along the 
Gulf Coast.  Fortunately, for us in southern Florida,  the mountains of Cuba, Haiti and the 
Dominican R. often weaken many of the storms heading our way.  There is no such 
protection for those who live on the Gulf Coast.

I was listening to CNN last night and became so annoyed with the commentator blaming 
the mayor of New Orleans for the recovery mess.  What more could he do?  Why couldn't 
the commentator understand that in such an overwhelming local crisis that help must 
come from state and national authorities?  In a state as poor as Louisiana--it means help 
from the federal government.  

Barbara Roberts
Miami, FL






From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  3 17:12:54 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:12:54 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <dfchqe+j4i9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfclim+oi96@eGroups.com>

Message 28846--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "ivogun" 
<miamibarb at B...> wrote:
> -> They aren't Floridians, who *expect* hurricanes to hit *every 
year*.
> > {g}  
> 
> Last year was a freak year for Florida hurricanes--a bumper crop. 
However, if you include Central America and Texas, most of the all-
time worst hurricanes have stuck along the Gulf Coast.  Fortunately, 
for us in southern Florida,  the mountains of Cuba, Haiti and the 
> Dominican R. often weaken many of the storms heading our way.  
There is no such protection for those who live on the Gulf Coast.
> 
> I was listening to CNN last night and became so annoyed with the 
commentator blaming the mayor of New Orleans for the recovery mess.  
What more could he do?  Why couldn't the commentator understand that 
in such an overwhelming local crisis that help must come from state 
and national authorities?  In a state as poor as Louisiana--it means 
help from the federal government.  
> 
> Barbara Roberts
> Miami, FL

*****\(@@)/*****

>From what I have read, we are now out of a calm weather period and 
back into another major weather cycle. If you look back through 
time, there have been other periods where severe weather patterns 
emerged - after all the weather IS cyclical. There have been other 
disasters of great magnitude in this area. (the population was less 
at the time but no less a disaster) One that comes to mind is 
Galvaston in 1900 where 6,000 - 12,000 lost their lives due to storm 
surge and hurricane. A very good book to read is Isaac's Storm by 
Erik Larson  http://www.randomhouse.com/features/isaacsstorm/ 
You can see how history repeats itself....The warnings could have 
been given even with the primative weather instruments but weren't 
until it was way too late. There was infrastructure there (to a 
degree) to have gotten people out but wasn't used. 

Being prepared is one thing but something of this magnitude 
especially over such a great area including a major city was 
something government & FEMA postulated over but gambled wouldn't 
happen on the order that it happened. I think what infrastructure 
that was there was totally overwhelmed and getting response there 
was difficult. The local police/dispatchers/fire/hospital staff etc. 
had to contend with losing their own homes and possibly families as 
well as be expected to work and assist others. 

Anyone who has made the drive to the New Orleans/Gulf States area 
knows it is a very long drive from the north through lots and lots 
of very rural area. I think lots of people including the general 
population did what they could do and behaved themselves as best 
they could. Unfortunately the news media did exacerbate the 
situation by pointing up the violence and senseless looting by a 
certainly small criminal element. Looting to get food, water and 
clothing essentials is not a crime in my mind in this situation. 
Looting to get 50 pairs of jeans and jewelery, and tvs etc is. What 
the media wasn't showing were the people who assisted each other, 
those who did try to make a difference by comforting each other or 
assisting others as desperate as themselves or the multitude of 
small acts of kindness that I am sure occured. Sadly it will be the 
untold stories of the courage of these people and their endurance in 
this adversity and what they have to face in the future that the 
news media won't cover because it isn't as newsworthy as finding 
someone to blame for all this. 

Right now I can't see pointing fingers. It is the human condition 
that should concern us, rescuing these people, giving them their 
identities back, feeding them and giving them back a sense of their 
future. We can look back later and decide if there is blame and what 
we need to do for the future. I would love to see ALL the cities 
across the States offering jobs and placements to these refugees. I 
think it is the least that each city can do. We need to look at the 
example of the Greatest Generation and how they behaved in WWII and 
apply that to ourselves. What sacrifices can we make for the good of 
us all in this country during this crisis? We know we are capable of 
wonderful things and we need to show our own citizens they are not 
forgotten and that they are going to be cared for and assisted back 
on their feet. 

Sorry for the rant but my heart is breaking for the tragedy of that 
beautiful area which has a special place in my heart for many years 
since I have visited many of the affected places throughout 
Mississippi and Lousiana and have met many wonderful people there 
who I worry and pray they are safe and ok.

Dudemom_2000  






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 17:20:45 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:20:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <dfchqe+j4i9@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005090111126cb033a5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <dfchqe+j4i9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509031020784d6460@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/3/05, ivogun <miamibarb at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Last year was a freak year for Florida hurricanes--a bumper crop. However, if you include

Err, scientists are predicting last year won't be a 'freak' year any
longer.  Statistics are pointing that this year's early predictions
are, so far, 85-90% accurate.  If other predictions are close, then
for the upcoming decade or couple decades, hurricane season is going
to continue being busier than past years.


> I was listening to CNN last night and became so annoyed with the commentator blaming
> the mayor of New Orleans for the recovery mess.  What more could he do?  Why couldn't

Ah, the 'blame game'.  My inbox tends to get social/political
commentary from those who follow such things:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

Blame, blame-ity blame, blame.

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep  4 04:02:09 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 4 Sep 2005 04:02:09 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1125806529.14.89535.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sun Sep  4 04:45:04 2005
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:45:04 -0700
Subject: Redwood for RedCross
Message-ID: <003801c5b10b$6ae86960$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>

Now through September 12th if you purchase a redwood wand from Alivan's (a fantastic site that provides props for such places as NBC) the whole cost is being donated to The Red Cross...
http://www.alivans.com/custom/edit0.asp?p=96006


Heather

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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep  4 15:02:07 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 4 Sep 2005 15:02:07 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1125846127.13.63417.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 4, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From seuferer at netins.net  Sun Sep  4 21:27:33 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:27:33 -0000
Subject: Lost Souls Found now at Occlumency
Message-ID: <dffos5+8ban@eGroups.com>

Now at Occlumency:

Lost Souls 
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3326

MWPP era. Alternate Universe to Half-blood Prince. Lupin and Snape 
in their early childhood and later school years, as seen through the 
eyes of a Ravenclaw student (OFC) as she develops a fascination for 
our favorite Slytherin. Rated S for some oblique reference to war 
and Death Eater violence.

Seven chapters, complete.  Sycophant Hex `S' rating is generally 
equivalent to the formerly known as `PG' rating.

Lost Souls Found  
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3381

Severus Snape/OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. Voldemort is out in 
the open. Severus Snape is actively involved in Death Eater 
activities because of his role as spy for the Order of the Phoenix. 
A researcher from the Ministry for Magic offers to aid and assist 
Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potions master, whom she 
knew slightly from school. Rated L for romantic/sexual content in 
later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings with the 
horrors of a Magical War. Overall a romance, but war is gruesome.

This story is 57 chapters and an epilogue.  Sycophant Hex rating 
of `L' is generally equivalent to the rating formerly known as `NC-
17'.  There is far too much plot for those who like PWP.

It is complete, but is not posted in its entirety at Occlumency yet, 
as it is going through its final beta-revisions, edits and 
verifications.  This has been a nearly two-year long WIP.  If you 
have read and enjoyed the story at other archives, I encourage you 
to consider re-reading it here.  It has been thoroughly Brit-picked, 
grammar-mechanics polished, and I have repaired minor consistency 
errors, as well as more effectively explained and filled `plot 
holes'.  

Because of the length of the story, it might be a more 
manageable `read' to handle in smaller doses, and my 
edit/polish/verification rate for my chapters seems to be about two 
to three chapters a week.  The story is complete, the edit/beta 
process is on-going, and I have three very thorough and speedy betas?
any remaining errors are mine.  You do not need to fear that this 
story will be `abandoned' before being posted to its completion.

I adore reviews of all sorts, including criticisms so don't be shy!

I hope you enjoy,

Shanti
http://www.hauntedchambers.net/
Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Role Playing Game run by adults






From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Sep  4 23:39:31 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:39:31 -0000
Subject: Mordicus Egg / Hexadecimal / Fatima's Sweets / Beauty Potions and WW History
Message-ID: <dfg0jj+4qis@eGroups.com>

I am properly horrified by the Hurricane Katrina destruction, pray for
the people, donated to the Red Cross, etc, but what I want to say
here is:

Why is there a St Tammany Parish? Who is St Tammany? 

Amanda wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28778 :

<< which would you read cover to cover *first*?

The Philosophy of the Mundane: Why Muggles Prefer Not to Know, by
Professor Mordicus Egg. Because I like to understand. >>

I bet Professor Egg's explanation has nothing to do with reality. Does
his name indicate that he's a bad egg, perhaps making his living from
the obtuseness of Muggles, as a fake psychic or something?

Cyndi wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28777 :

<< (By the way, how are you with binary and hexa decimal 
conversion?! >>

You can buy a pocket calculator that does hex conversions, maybe also
binary and octal conversions. (By the way, hex conversion has nothing
to do with jinxes and curses, but is short for hexadecimal. Many
wargamers play on maps gridded into 'hexes', in their case short for
hexagons, and once I heard some loony claim that all wargamers are
'witches' because they use hexes!)

For more money, you can buy one that does arithmetic in hex (instead
of converting the two hex numbers to decimal, adding or subtracting or
whatever, then converting the result back to hex). 

I *am* a COBOL pgmmer and kept myself supplied with pocket calculators
that had that feature, from the first one I got for $80 in 1979 to one
I got for $15 (and it had statistical, trig, and other functions that
I've never even *heard* of) around 1995. It died recently, as they all
do, so I had to buy a new pocket calculator.

It was a painful emotional blow to realize I might as well buy a
4-function calculator for $4 because now I only need it to balance my
checkbook: I have no need for hex conversions because I have nothing
to do with COBOL or the mainframe anymore. So much for my *identity*. 

I had a similar realization this Friday, that if I threw out all the
COBOL and Mainframe and MMS manuals and textbooks and guides from my
shelves (in my cubicle), I'd have someplace to put the piles of loose
papers and M3 manuals covering all flat surfaces except my keyboard.

Lee Storm wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28797 :

<< "Charmed By Chocolate: A Comprehensive Guide To Spell-Binding
Sweets" by Fatima Corpulant. >>

I want to read it, then save my Knuts to buy some samples at her de
luxe shoppe. Except I don't think her surname should be Corpulant.
Fatima Zaftig? Fatima Zuckerman-Kremer? Fatima Roundbottom? Fatima
Hoggs? Fatima Brown? 

There was a Witch of the Month named Sacharissa Tugwood (I had to look
her up in the Lexicon; my memory is not good). Sacharissa is a sweet
(!) name but she wasn't a confectioner: "Tugwood, Sacharissa (1874 -
1966). Chocolate Frog Card. Inventor. Pioneer of Beautifying Potions.
Discovered pimple-curing properties of Bubotuber Pus. The words on her
gravestone read, 'Thanks to Sacharissa Tugwood, the world is a more
beautiful place'"
 
I have a big problem with the history of the wizarding world. To me,
if Ollivander's was founded in 382 B.C. (altho' maybe it was founded
somewhere else and later moved to Britain) and has retained the
records of the date of the founding, the wizarding world has a long
enough history that a lot of what they do should have been invented a
long time ago, but JKR gives dates of stuff being invented quite
recently. Sacharissa Tugwood is basically twentieth century! and
Cheering Charms were after the end of the Middle Ages, maybe even
after Columbus landed in Hispaniola:

"Summerbee, Felix (1447 - 1508)
Inventor of Cheering Charms (JKR).
"felix" = Latin for happiness.
Summerbee was Wizard of the Month on JKR's website for May, 2004 (the
month the site opened), and again for May 2005."  

I think Cheering Charms should have been invented BEFORE the Middle
Ages -- people needed them.

Anyway, getting back to Beautying Potions, they must have existed in
some form before 1874, because another Lexicon entry records medieval
use thereof:, 'Grymm, Malodora. Hag. Medieval, dates unknown. The
famous hag Malodora Grymm, using a beautification potion to conceal
her true form, married a king and used a charmed mirror to reinforce
her self-image. She became jealous of the most beautiful girl in the
land and fed her a poisoned apple to get rid of her. (fw) The story of
Maladora Grymm is a nod to the fairy tale "Snow White," which was part
of the collection of the Brothers Grimm, hence the last name
"Grymm."' 

If S. Tugwood's vivat was 1*7*74 - 1*8*66 (what happened to wizards
living longer than Muggles?), I could fit her into some Potterverse
history that I had previously invented: In the 1800s of my private
Potterverse, the Brewer sisters, Wilhelmina and Alexandra, went into
business making and selling Hair Potion from an old family recipe.
They started making it in their kitchens and selling it by word of
mouth, but the business expanded into many more beauty products, a
large-ish factory, and three retail stores: Hogsmeade, Diagon Alley,
and at the factory. They wrote the legal papers under their married
names, Mrs John Comfort and Mrs Erasmus Joy, so the company is named
"Comfort & Joy". Sacharissa Tugwood could have been either their
mother (under her maiden name), whose recipes were the very beginning
of the company, or the person they hired as chief inventor when they
expanded.





From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Sun Sep  4 23:44:29 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:44:29 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <dfb2u1+8tsu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfg0st+lgi7@eGroups.com>

<Snipping Jenny's and Judy's dialogue to point out the following:>
>The bottom line is, the US government has drastically reduced its
preparations for natural disasters. In fact, FEMA is currently being
phased out, and the agency that is supposed to replace it has not yet
been created. This should worry *everyone*, not just people living
in hurricane-prone areas. (see
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//index.php?ntid=52563&ntpid=1 )

MsTatt here:
This is simply not true. I have heard so much misinformation about 
FEMA in the past days that I felt I had to respond. FEMA is NOT being 
phased out. FEMA has NOT been relieved of duty by the Dept. of 
Homeland Security. The fact is, FEMA was absorbed by the DHS after 
9/11, but it remains a separate entity. Plans are to restore it to 
its original independent authority, but not until the current 
situation on the Gulf Coast is gotten under control. FEMA had 
response and recovery teams pre-deployed and ready to move into the 
hardest-hit areas as soon as they could physically get there. The 
President has basically handed them a blank check to do what needs to 
be done. 

How do I know all this? Because *Mr*Tatt works at the FEMA call 
center in Region VI, where he reports that over 100,000 calls per day 
are handled. He is about to be deployed to the field to establish an 
on-site call center; it's the biggest disaster his office has seen 
since the San Francisco earthquake in 1989.
Ms.Tattersall






From Koinonia2 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  5 03:55:43 2005
From: Koinonia2 at hotmail.com (koinonia02)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:55:43 -0000
Subject: Mordicus Egg / Hexadecimal / Fatima's Sweets / Beauty Potions and WW History
In-Reply-To: <dfg0jj+4qis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfgfjv+sei0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com

"Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" (Message 28853): 

>I am properly horrified by the Hurricane Katrina destruction, pray 
>for the people, donated to the Red Cross, etc, but what I want to 
>say here is:

>Why is there a St Tammany Parish? Who is St Tammany?


"K": 

>From the Baton Rouge Morning Advocate:

Q. "Ask the Advocate" had a list of parishes named for church 
parishes, including many with saints' names. But St. Tammany wasn't 
in the list. Who was St. Tammany?
 
A."Saint" Tammany wasn't a Catholic saint at all. "Tammany"
derives 
from the name of a Delaware Indian chief, Tamanend, according to 
research by Claire D'Artois Leeper, who wrote a series of newspaper 
columns on "Louisiana Places." The columns were published in the 
Sunday Advocate in the 1960s and '70s.

In her June 18, 1961, column, Leeper wrote that Tammany's name 
appears as one of the signers of a deed to William Penn in 1683 for 
lands not far north of Philadelphia.

One of Leeper's sources was the Handbook of American Indians
North 
of Mexico, which included an account by a missionary named 
Heckewelder. The missionary said the chief was famous among both the 
Indians and the white settlers. During the American Revolution, 
admirers dubbed him the "Patron Saint of America."

Heckewelder said Tammany means "affable."

The legendary chief is the same fellow for whom Tammany Hall in New 
York is named.

St. Tammany Parish is one of the Florida Parishes. The area was part 
of West Florida and, like Mobile, Ala., and Pensacola, Fla., was 
under British rule for a time. The Florida Parishes were settled 
primarily by Anglo-Saxons, who were mainly Protestants. That sets 
these parishes apart from the rest of south Louisiana, which has a 
French and Spanish, and therefore, Roman Catholic, heritage.
 






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Sep  5 05:25:52 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:25:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: Mordicus Egg / Hexadecimal / Fatima's Sweets
 / Beauty Potions and WW History
In-Reply-To: <dfg0jj+4qis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0IMB005CLWF304ED@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

[Lee]:
| << "Charmed By Chocolate: A Comprehensive Guide To Spell-Binding
| Sweets" by Fatima Corpulant. >>
|
Catlady]:
| I want to read it, then save my Knuts to buy some samples at her de
| luxe shoppe. Except I don't think her surname should be Corpulant.
| Fatima Zaftig? Fatima Zuckerman-Kremer? Fatima Roundbottom? Fatima
| Hoggs? Fatima Brown?

[Lee]:
<Grin>  Actually, through the translations, etc., something got lost; it was
supposed to be "Corpulant`e."  I will say, you've certainly come up with
some good possibilities, though. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 13:10:02 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:10:02 -0400
Subject: Uh, was I suppose to come into work today?
Message-ID: <1a27384005090506107be52f8b@mail.gmail.com>

I know it's Labor Day but my prior job, which I had for years, didn't
have this holiday as a 'set' one; it was more of a 'floating' holiday
where workers voted on what would be the sixth paid holiday (Memorial
Day, Thanksgiving (2days), Christmas, New Year's Day, and the
floater).  Sometimes, it'd be July 4th; sometimes, it'd be Labor Day. 
And damn, with my mind on Labor Day rarely voted as the floater, I
completely forgot to nag my boss about if Labor Day was a paid
holiday.  Last time, I had to start nagging on Friday to get Monday's
Memorial Day as paid and then I only heard back on Sunday via email.

This is one of the minor suckiness to being the only office girl,
working mostly alone--before, I was in a corporate office with plenty
other folk and I could tell if I goofed, which believe it or not, I
had still come in on holidays then too.  Same thing happened when I
attended school because you get into this 'schedule'.  Sometimes, I
even panic a little when I realized I've slept in and thought I'd be
late to work... only to realize it's Saturday and the weekend off.

Whether or not I should've come into work today probably wouldn't make
much difference since I got *free* A/C (versus how much I pay on
electricity), food, internet, and cable TV at work, but still... Ah,
bugger it all.

Dina



From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  5 15:58:41 2005
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:58:41 -0000
Subject: Hexadecimal
In-Reply-To: <dfg0jj+4qis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfhpvh+nsb0@eGroups.com>

--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:


> I *am* a COBOL pgmmer and kept myself supplied with pocket calculators
> that had that feature, from the first one I got for $80 in 1979 to one
> I got for $15 (and it had statistical, trig, and other functions that
> I've never even *heard* of) around 1995. 

snazzzybird sez --

I'm a programmer too, primarily COBOL and Assembler.  When I was in
school I used to be a whiz at adding and subtracting in hex -- a
talent honed by reading many, many Assembler dumps, finding the
instruction that caused the blowout and the variables involved.  When
I started my first programming job, I found among my office supplies a
hex calculator.  "What luxury," I thought.

Twenty-one years later I'm still using hex, but the technology has
made it more of a rare occasion.  I read dumps online using software
that will take you to the failing instruction, variables, where the
regs are pointing, and anything else you can think of.  When I do need
a hex calculator, I just use the one in "Accessories" on the computer.
 Everything's removed, everything's onscreen.  I look back to my days
working in pencil on the green-and-white striped pages of the dump,
and it seems so primitive -- and yet I kind of miss it.

I don't miss the punched cards, though!

--snazzzybird





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 16:00:36 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:00:36 -0400
Subject: This and that and it's a paid holiday :-\
Message-ID: <1a27384005090509009014fc3@mail.gmail.com>

My boss got back with me: it's a paid holiday and I shouldn't have
come into work.  Well, I'm still glad I have a job to begin with since
reading this past weekend's mail this morning and seeing an
unemployment compensation form for the folk whose position I filled
because they left.

Or glad I'm not the unlucky folk who just got into a nasty car
accident five minutes ago--again, US Hwy 19 has the most accidents.

Once I finish reading fandom stuff, I'll head back home to do more
fandom stuff.  I'm doing the rather *tedious* job of FF through all
Smallville DVDs (over sixty episodes on DVD) to capture video clips
for a music vid.  Though, the rather amusing part was hearing the
actors, Michael Rosenbaum and Tom Welling, reference fans, the
internet, and 'CLex' slash that couples their characters on the DVD
commentary.  The producer said something (most likely tongue in cheek)
about how Clark Kent rejecting Lex Luthor caused Lex to go 'bad'.
{snort} I had this flashback to the underlying UST of Harry and Draco.

Something about the 'tension' between characters that 'shippers find
fascinating.  Hence, why I'm quite intrigued by Snape/Harry and its
essential obstacles associated with pairing them up.

Dina



From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 00:55:49 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:55:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This and that and it's a paid holiday :-\
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005090509009014fc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050906005549.55955.qmail@web53511.mail.yahoo.com>



Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:

Or glad I'm not the unlucky folk who just got into a nasty car
accident five minutes ago--again, US Hwy 19 has the most accidents.



 

I had to work today.... 11 hours.  Among the things I did today was to dissect 2 hearts.  (When people die and donate organs but they cannot be transplanted body to body for some reason, I take out the valves for people who need valve transplants)  One of the hearts I did was from a young lady who was riding on the back of her boyfriend's motorcycle and came off of it and tore open the back of her head.... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... it may not be cool but wear your helmet.  The other was a gentleman who was taking his daughter to the ER because she had drank too much, he had a heart attack just outside the ER and died.... remember that your drinking affects others so think before you drink!!!!

There is too much craziness in the world without us adding to it!!!  Everyone please be careful but have a great holiday!!!

moonmyyst



Summerland Hills Shelties

home of their royal highnesses: 
Southcrest Faerie Song "Belle", (bi-black), AKC
Southcrest Sugar Quill "Honey", (sable/white), AKC 
Chocolate Sundae Hugs "Hugs", (sable/white), AKC, CGC, IHDA Herding level 1, RA
Little Valentine Kisses "Kisses", (sable/white), AKC, CGC
Summerland's Blueberry Muffin  "Blue", (tri-blue merle), AKC, IHDA Herding level 1
Cerridwyn Summerland Reveille "Revie", (sable/white), AKC

and in memory of:  
Southcrest Phantom Spirit  "Ghostie", (bi-black), AKC, 9 time conformation class 1st.
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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 03:43:19 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:43:19 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <df77ct+ef9r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfj38n+otfm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumetella2000" 
<catbird25 at g...> wrote:
(snip) Where is the preparation?  Where is the foresight?  What 
> about the drained wetlands that could have absorbed the storm surge?  
> What about the levees that weren't raised and strengthened?  Where's 
> the planning?  Where's the funding?  Where is the equipment?  WHERE 
IS THE NATIONAL GUARD?    
> 
> We had days to get ready.  What happens if a dirty bomb goes off in 
> downtown Washington?


Tonks:
I just sent an e-mail to Bush and the congress. I agree with what you 
have said. Here is part of my letter:
-------
I am writing to express my concern about the recent event in New 
Orleans.  I fear that we have sent a message to our enemies that we can 
not prepare for a major emergency even when we know that it is coming, 
where and when. If I were an enemy of this country I would now be 
empowered and confident that I could do some serious damage and the 
U.S. would be totally unprepared and unable to deal with it 
effectively.  

Secondly I am also seriously concerned that we are using our National 
Guard to wage a war when that is the job of the regular Army.  We need 
to save our National Guard for the purpose for which they were created, 
which is to help us HERE in our own country.  If Bush doesn't have the 
ability to run a small war in Iraq and help the people of the U.S. at 
the same time
  (Snipping my own letter) 

Also fix the system that allowed this inexcusable situation to have 
occurred. What in God's name will we do when we are attacked by the 
enemy!! There is no excuse for this, and just firing the man at the top 
of the department will not be enough. The system needs to be fixed. It 
should be the finest and the best in the world. It now is a total 
disgrace to us all!!!
-------

I invite all of the list members who are in the U.S. to write to their 
representatives in Congress.  Thank you.

Tonks_op








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 05:29:21 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 01:29:21 -0400
Subject: Fan vid comments on HP, SV, and guys in drag
Message-ID: <1a27384005090522294a88e8f6@mail.gmail.com>

My latest 'obsession' for the past few weeks is the movie, Sorority
Boys (Amazon.com reviews pretty much sum it up).  The movie is *very*
cheezy but I actually liked it because of fanon--well, actors wearing
falsies to give them a bra size of 40-42C (factoid from the press kit)
also caught my attention. ;-)  It's mainly the Smallville folks who
had fun with the fact Michael Rosenbaum dressed in drag again (first
time was in Sweet November as Jason Isaacs', who also donned dress and
make-up, 'partner'):
http://www.debchan.com/livia/sb/thewalk.htm  (sad but true, it's the
Sorority Boys archive showing there really isn't much SB fanfic out
there but gotta have fun with the fact it's a *pink* archive with
sparkly heels)

Anyway, there's a fic called "Sex and Candy" which does provide some
basis for the following vid:
http://www.mkitty3.1accesshost.com/id36.htm  (first vid aptly named
Sex and Candy by Marcy Playground)

I'll give kudos on her combining two different fanon 'universes' and
making some scenes work, especially the hotel scene at 'night' because
that's a daytime shot for Adina, but it's understandable there was
quite a bit of awkward editing too.  Regardless, it was fairly easy to
follow the vid's 'storyline' of Clark Kent either choosing the
transvestite, Adam (AKA Adina), who looks like Lex Luthor, or pick the
real deal.

Earlier today, I was reading some HP LJ newsletters and one of the
discussion topics was fan jealousy.  I can get jealous but not in the
sense of lashing out at another fan; it's more jealousy that '*damn*,
I wish I could be just as good'. {g}  The following vid is a case of
'*damn*, I wish I thought of that song and got my paws on it first':
http://www.squidge.org/xandragirl/Vids.htm  (scroll down to Sorority Boys)

Another Adam (AKA Adina) vid done to The Look by Roxette and it's got
some good editing going on, except towards the second half where it
felt like the vid was 'losing steam' (i.e. editing not matching song
pacing).  The first segment is a photo shoot that's from the DVD's
included music video/documentary--for the sadists, it's got a few
scenes of the actors being waxed for hair removal. ;-)  Based on the
green wax color, I'm guessing they used Nad's--Beavis and Butthead
moment: "uh, uh, huh-huh huh-huh, she said 'nads."

While I'm still referencing http://www.squidge.org/xandragirl/Vids.htm
 (space to keep comma from link), there's an HP slash vid with some
editing that *keeps* a good pace.  This is a nicely edited vid. 
Unfortunately, my maturity level is non-existent and I started
cracking up due to song choice of Pat Benatar's Love is a Battlefield.
:-\

Same vidder where one was an *awesome* song choice and the other left
me... err, IMO.

As for the song I ended up vidding to for Sorority Boys, it was Escape
Club's Wild Wild West... and {drum roll} it's *another* Adina vid.  I
first saw Sorority Boys on a Friday, but by Saturday afternoon, I
ditched my first song choice (I forgot what it was), spent about five
hours on Amazon.com sampling songs, and finally ended up with Wild
Wild West.
First version was the result of a day and a half of editing and second
version I spent an additional day:
http://archive.nu/bunniqula/vids/sboywest2.rm  (5.98megs)

Third version is still in the works to air at ZebraCon's vid show. 
Oh, and my vid has the 'daytime' Adina bed scene I referenced earlier.

Gosh, that's gotta be like my uber kink is guys that look like gals. 
One of my favorite groups is
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=andropotterist where
gender 'lines' are crossed for HP characters.

Dina



From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Sep  6 12:05:26 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:05:26 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation of "Horcrux"
In-Reply-To: <df8c5i+3v6o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfk0m6+1vkm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

Carol:
> > > Well, the letter "h" and therefore presumably the "h" sound
> existed in Latin, so I think the audio books pronunciation is 
correct.
 
jlnbtr:
> > The english H sound (as in Horace?) I don't think it existed in
> Latin, I know it doesn't exist in french (the H does, not the 
sound),
> and neither in Spanish (the H sound is more like a J), and neither 
in
>  Italian. I think it's just an english sound.

Carol:
> I'm not absolutely sure of myself here, but I don't think that 
French
> pronunciation, which developed *from* Latin rather than vice versa, 
is
> any indication of the existence of the H sound in Latin. The H sound
> could have dropped out of the Vulgar Latin spoken in Gaul while the
> letter itself remained. (The sound did exist in early Semitic
> alphabets; it was not invented by the Saxons or by the later 
English.)
> 
> In any case, "horcrux," despite its Latin roots, would be an English
> word with the same first syllable as "horticulture" or "Horace." Or
> that's how I read it.
> 
> Geoff (or anyone who's taught or taken Latin recently), can you help
> us out here?

Geoff

Having tried to answer this post three times and the messages have 
disappeared into a wormhole, I finally discovered today that Yahoo 
hadn't altered my email address to my new one on the OT-Chatter group 
and was bouncing them without telling me. 

<sigh>

OK, take 4.

There are two schools of thought on Latin pronunciation. The first is 
what I would term "church Latin". It's noticeable features include:
(a) The use of a soft "c". "Excelsis" is pronounced "ex-chell-
siss", "cruces" ? the genitive of "crux" ? is said as "croo-siss" and 
Caesar is pronounced as in modern English, with the "ae" diphthong is 
pronounced as "ee".
(b ) "J" and "v" are hard sounds, as in modern English.

The second version is the way I was taught, with the following to be 
observed:
(a ) The use of a hard "c", "excelsis" being said as "ex-kell-
siss", "cruces" as "croo-kiss" and  Caesar as Kaiser. (I think there 
is a linguistic link in that the Germans appropriated the word for 
their own use and adapted the spelling).
The "ae" diphthong is pronounced as the "i" in "time".
(b ) "J" and "v" are soft, "Julius" being pronounced as "Yoo ?lious" 
and "veni" as "wane-ee".

"h" is always sounded. A good modern example was when, after the 
serious fire at Windsor Castle, the Queen referred in a speech to 
her "annus horribilis" and clearly sounded the "h".

The Pocket Oxford Latin Dictionary (which needs a darned big 
pocket!!!) uses the same pronunciation as I have outlined in my 
second version.

I have a feeling that Yahoo did the same to a message which I wrote 
about the word "horcrux" itself. "Hor-" as a prefix does not seem to 
be used, however, several Latin words beginning with the 
letters "horr-" are related to horror, dread, roughness etc. Examples 
are horrendus, horribilis, horrifer, horror and so on. "Crux" can, in 
addition to cross, have connotations of torture, trouble and 
destruction. So those are possible ways in which JKR's thoughts may 
have moved in producing another item of LAtin or pseudo-Latin.

Right, I shall commit this to cyberspace in the hope that the 
machinations of Yahoo will not spit it out in the midst of a group 
committed to considering Polynesian cookery.
:-)







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 12:50:15 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:50:15 -0400
Subject: Speaking of pink, BBC article on a pink cat
Message-ID: <1a27384005090605503adad57b@mail.gmail.com>

Judith sent this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/4215890.stm

"A west Devon couple are baffled by how their nine-year-old white cat
turned pink after a weekend stroll."

That cat looks ticked off. {g}

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 13:15:01 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:15:01 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] This and that and it's a paid holiday :-\
In-Reply-To: <20050906005549.55955.qmail@web53511.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1a27384005090509009014fc3@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20050906005549.55955.qmail@web53511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509060615516c7a4e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/5/05, K G <moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I had to work today.... 11 hours.  

That sucks but there are folk who appreciate the work you do because
lives depend on medical supplies.


> Among the things I did today was to dissect 2 hearts. 

Mmm, yummy. ;-)  Just needs a bit of salt and ketchup. {chuckle} 
Gives new definition to 'heart you'.


> There is too much craziness in the world without us adding to it!!!  Everyone please be careful but have a great holiday!!!
> 

Even with gas prices like
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/persiaa/detail?.dir=/.7683&.dnm=87cd.jpg&.tok=ph54vKDBmPCswo00&.src=mail
(if the image doesn't load, it's Unleaded being 'LOL', Plus being
'OMG', and Premium being 'WTF'), it was still a busy holiday on the
road.

Dina



From joseph at kirtland.com  Tue Sep  6 13:40:48 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:40:48 -0000
Subject: Speaking of pink, BBC article on a pink cat
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005090605503adad57b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfk690+pjmj@eGroups.com>

Maybe Brumas decided he needed some highlights and paid a visit to the 
salon.  He's an attractive pink kitty.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
> Judith sent this link:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/4215890.stm
> 
> "A west Devon couple are baffled by how their nine-year-old white cat
> turned pink after a weekend stroll."
> 
> That cat looks ticked off. {g}
> 
> Dina





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 14:26:30 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:26:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Speaking of pink, BBC article on a pink cat
In-Reply-To: <dfk690+pjmj@eGroups.com>
References: <1a27384005090605503adad57b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <dfk690+pjmj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509060726163886a4@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/6/05, Joe Bento <joseph at kirtland.com> wrote:
> Maybe Brumas decided he needed some highlights and paid a visit to the
> salon.  He's an attractive pink kitty.

Going for the 'Pink Panther' look... Now, I'll have that song stuck in
my head for awhile.

Dina



From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 15:40:40 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:40:40 -0000
Subject: Katrina - locating people
Message-ID: <dfkd9o+f36r@eGroups.com>

Please pass this along to all your friends.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If you're trying to locate anyone, you can leave a FREE message for
them. 

Air America Public Voicemail 

1-866-217-6255 

Air America Radio's Public Voicemail is a way for disconnected 
people 
to
communicate in the wake of Katrina. 

Here's how it works: 

Call the toll-free number above, enter your everyday phone number, 
and
then record a message. Other people who know your everyday phone 
number
(even if it doesn't work anymore) can call Emergency Voicemail, enter
the phone number they associate with you, and hear your message. 

You can also search for messages left by people whose phone numbers 
you
know. 
Air America Radio will leave Public Voicemail in service for as long 
as
this crisis continues. You can call it whenever you are trying to 
locate
someone, or if you are trying to be found. 

Obviously, for this to work, people need to know about it so please
forward the number to as many people as you can





From Koinonia2 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  6 18:00:10 2005
From: Koinonia2 at hotmail.com (koinonia02)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:00:10 -0000
Subject: Disasters
In-Reply-To: <dfj38n+otfm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfklfa+9h72@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com

"Tonks" <tonks_op at y...> wrote:


>Secondly I am also seriously concerned that we are using our  
>National Guard to wage a war when that is the job of the regular 
>Army.  We need to save our National Guard for the purpose for which 
>they were created, which is to help us HERE in our own country.  If 
>Bush doesn't have the ability to run a small war in Iraq and help 
>the people of the U.S. at the same time
 

 
"K":

Just a few comments.

1. The Army National Guard has more than one function, one of which 
is to support the regular U.S. Army, not just to remain HERE. As you 
can see, the National Guard has always served during wartime. 

----------

* The Guard doubled the size of the Regular Army when it was 
mobilized in 1940, more than a year before Pearl Harbor, and 
contributed 19 divisions to that war, as well as numerous other 
units including Guard aviation squadrons. More than 138,000 
Guardsmen were mobilized for Korea, followed by numerous smaller 
mobilizations for the Berlin Crisis, Vietnam, and numerous strikes 
and riots at home. 

snip

Today's National Guard continues its historic dual mission, 
providing the states with units trained and equipped to protect life 
and property, while providing the nation with units ready to defend 
the United States and its interests around the world. 

http://www.arng.army.mil/history/

The Guard in the Colonial Period 
The First Muster 
The Revolutionary War 
The Guard in the 19th Century 
The Civil War 
The Spanish-American War 
The Guard in the 20th Century 
World War I 
World War II 
Korean War 
Vietnam War 

http://www.1800goguard.com/whatistheguard/whatis_history.html

* Guard members have a long and noble history of serving at home and 
abroad to ensure the safety and freedom of their fellow citizens. 
They have combated natural disasters, supported regular Army troops, 
and when called upon, borne arms against their nation's enemies.

http://www.1800goguard.com/whatistheguard/whatis.html

----------

As for the Louisiana Army National Guard:

*Today's Louisiana Army and Air National Guard consists of 74 units 
spread among 43 cities and towns of the state and numbers some 
11,500 Army and Air Guardsmen. As a result of various 
reorganizations the present Army Guard is composed of a State 
Headquarters and Headquarters Detachment, 204th Area Support Group, 
the 256th Separate Infantry Brigade, the 225th Engineer Group and 
various Medical, Maintenance, Aviation, Military Police, Armored 
Cavalry and Special Forces units and the 156th Army Band. 

----------

A small example of past National Guard service:

*The accomplishments of the Louisiana National Guard in World War II 
were brilliant and numerous, and space is limited, but an idea of 
them can best be illustrated by listing the Battle Honors accorded 
three of its units:
 
141st Artillery - Algeria-French Morocco with arrowhead, Tunisia, 
Sicily with arrowhead, Naples-Foggia, Anzio, Rome-Arno, North 
Apennines, Po Valley, Southern France, Rhineland, Ardennes-Alsace, 
Central Europe, and Distinguished Unit Citation Streamer embroidered 
Colmar. 

105th Separate Battalion CA - Algeria, French Morocco with 
arrowhead, Tunisia, Sicily with arrowhead, Naples-Foggia, Rome-Arno, 
North Apennines, Po Valley 

156th Infantry - Northern France, Central Europe, Rhineland and 
Normandy, and the Asiatic-Pacific theatre streamer without 
inscription. 

The post-war reorganization of the Louisiana National Guard began in 
1946. The following major units were organized: 
39th Infantry Division (in part), 156th Infantry Regiment, 199th 
Infantry Regiment, 141st Field Artillery Battalion, 935th Field 
Artillery Battalion, 105th AAA AW Battalion, 204th AAA Group, 527th 
AAA AW Battalion, 769th AAA AW Battalion, 773d Heavy Tank Battalion, 
122d Light Bombardment Squadron, and 135th Aircraft Control and 
Warning Squadron. 

When the Korean Conflict broke out in 1950 the 773d Tank Battalion, 
122d Light Bombardment Squadron and 135th Aircraft Control and 
Warning Squadron were called into federal service. The 773d and 122d 
were returned to State control after Korea but the 135th was 
retained by the AirForce.

----------

2. There is not a shortage of National Guard members in the state of 
Louisiana.

*Though thousands of its members are half a world away, gearing up 
in Iraq to begin their journey home from war, the Louisiana Army 
National Guard this week is tackling its other primary mission, 
disaster relief. 

It's no surprise. In June long before the 2005 hurricane season 
shifted into overdrive, the state military's second-in-command, 
Brig. Gen. Hunt Downer, told The Times the Louisiana Army National 
Guard was practiced and ready to handle the big storms. 

"We have enough troops remaining here in the state," Downer 
said. "We've always done that. And as in all cases, we move troops 
around to meet where the need's going to be. Not many really 
appreciate and understand the uniqueness of the National Guard, 
(that) we have a dual mission."

As Hurricane Katrina surged past New Orleans, Louisiana mobilized 
its soldiers to help, as did Mississippi, Alabama and other southern 
states. Despite prominent roles in the War on Terror, the states 
report more than the 50 percent strength mandated for homeland 
missions. Louisiana has 65 percent of its troops available for state 
missions; Mississippi, 60 percent; Alabama, 77 percent; and Florida, 
74 percent, Guard officials said.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20050830/NEWS01/508300352/1002/NEWS


3. It is my understanding that a state must always have a certain 
number of National Guard members available to the state at all 
times. 

4. Perhaps it would be wise to ask for answers from Louisiana 
Governor Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. Let's not 
give them a free pass. 

Though obviously questions must be asked now and in the future, I 
hope there will also remain love and help for those in the various 
states who have suffered greaty.



"K"

Former member of the Louisiana 256th Infantry Brigade (Mechanized)
and wife of a former Lousiana Army National Guard Commander.

256th Infantry Brigade (Mechanized)

The federal mission of the 256th Infantry Brigade is to, on order, 
mobilize, deploy to designated theater and executes combat 
operations in support of national military objectives. The state 
mission of the 256th Infantry Brigade is to, on order, provide 
trained individuals and units capable of accomplishing State 
missions. 







From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 21:03:51 2005
From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:03:51 -0000
Subject: Leggo is off their rocker
Message-ID: <dfl07n+r8r6@eGroups.com>

I took a look at the new leggo collection for GOF and the Graveyard 
Dueland have decided that it is so wrong!!!!!  Me and my husband 
laughed and laughed over it.  It is missing a dead Cedric, and 
Pettigrew needs a knife to cut Harry's arm.  What kind of message is 
Leggo trying to send by letting kids rebirth the height of evil for 
fun?  Just thought that it was too disturbing!

Jen





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  6 23:00:52 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:00:52 -0000
Subject: Jo's website Update
Message-ID: <dfl734+ba7u@eGroups.com>

No, there isn't an update, at least not that I know of. It's just that 
it's been almost 2 months since the release of HBP and we haven't 
heard any news from Jo. There's just the brief report on the 
publication weekend, and the meeting with Melissa and Emerson. I want 
an update, and I want it now ;) Just kidding - sort of. 

I really want to hear what Jo has to say about the HBP, what she 
thinks of the gazillion copies sold, an update on the FAQ... anything 
at all. I need some new canon.

Juli - patiently (not so much) waiting and waiting





From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Tue Sep  6 23:20:23 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Jo's website Update
In-Reply-To: <dfl734+ba7u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050906232023.66152.qmail@unknown-206-190-38-165.yahoo.com>



jlnbtr <jlnbtr at yahoo.com> wrote:
No, there isn't an update, at least not that I know of. It's just that 
it's been almost 2 months since the release of HBP and we haven't 
heard any news from Jo. There's just the brief report on the 
publication weekend, and the meeting with Melissa and Emerson. I want 
an update, and I want it now ;) Just kidding - sort of. 

I really want to hear what Jo has to say about the HBP, what she 
thinks of the gazillion copies sold, an update on the FAQ... anything 
at all. I need some new canon.

Juli - patiently (not so much) waiting and waiting


Luckdragon:

I doubt much will be added to it in the near future as Jo told everyone she was taking 6 months off to devote to her family before writing book 7. We'll just have to be patient. I'm hoping a new poll will be added before Halloween.



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  7 04:49:30 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:49:30 -0000
Subject: Pronunciation of "Horcrux"
In-Reply-To: <dfk0m6+1vkm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dflrgq+8rlu@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > I'm not absolutely sure of myself here, but I don't think that
French pronunciation, which developed *from* Latin rather than vice
versa, is any indication of the existence of the H sound in Latin. The
H sound could have dropped out of the Vulgar Latin spoken in Gaul
while the letter itself remained. (The sound did exist in early
Semitic alphabets; it was not invented by the Saxons or by the later 
> English.)
> > 
> > In any case, "horcrux," despite its Latin roots, would be an
English word with the same first syllable as "horticulture" or
"Horace." Or that's how I read it.

> 
> Geoff responded:
> 
> Having tried to answer this post three times and the messages have 
> disappeared into a wormhole, I finally discovered today that Yahoo 
> hadn't altered my email address to my new one on the OT-Chatter
group and was bouncing them without telling me. 
><snip>
> There are two schools of thought on Latin pronunciation. The first
is what I would term "church Latin". It's noticeable features include:
> (a) The use of a soft "c". <snip>
> (b ) "J" and "v" are hard sounds, as in modern English.
> 
> The second version is the way I was taught, with the following to be 
> observed:
> (a ) The use of a hard "c", <snip>
> The "ae" diphthong is pronounced as the "i" in "time".
> (b ) "J" and "v" are soft, "Julius" being pronounced as "Yoo ?lious" 
> and "veni" as "wane-ee".
> 
> "h" is always sounded. A good modern example was when, after the 
> serious fire at Windsor Castle, the Queen referred in a speech to 
> her "annus horribilis" and clearly sounded the "h".
> <snip>
> I have a feeling that Yahoo did the same to a message which I wrote 
> about the word "horcrux" itself. "Hor-" as a prefix does not seem to 
> be used, however, several Latin words beginning with the 
> letters "horr-" are related to horror, dread, roughness etc. Examples 
> are horrendus, horribilis, horrifer, horror and so on. "Crux" can, in 
> addition to cross, have connotations of torture, trouble and 
> destruction. So those are possible ways in which JKR's thoughts may 
> have moved in producing another item of LAtin or pseudo-Latin.
> 
> Right, I shall commit this to cyberspace in the hope that the 
> machinations of Yahoo will not spit it out in the midst of a group 
> committed to considering Polynesian cookery.
> :-)

Hi, Geoff. You "alternate universe" turns out to be my Yahoo e-mail,
which had all three posts in it but bounced the response I tried to
send. The only relevant paragraph is this one:

I had Latin in high school (the non-Church, Yulius Kaisar or Wainy,
weedy, weaky variety), and I'm certain that we pronounced the h's, as
you did. And if the Queen pronounces the h, we *must* be right.

But maybe we should consult the Half-Blood Prince, just to be sure.

Sorry you suffered such frustration and I commend your determination!

Carol





From Schlobin at aol.com  Wed Sep  7 16:45:17 2005
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:45:17 -0000
Subject: Potter fans make combined donation to Hurricane victims
Message-ID: <dfn5et+7t3e@eGroups.com>

I was delighted and relieved to see that http://www.mugglenet.com
and the Leaky Cauldron http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/MTarchives/007527.php had teamed up to collect funds via 
paypal to send to victims of Katrina.

I hope that everyone will consider helping in some way.

Susan McGee





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 20:39:35 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:39:35 -0400
Subject: Harry Potter iPods and audio books at iTunes
Message-ID: <1a2738400509071339515611df@mail.gmail.com>

Saw an ad for the Harry Potter iPod.  Heh.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?iPodStore=yes

Apple engraves the Hogwarts' crest into the iPod.  Plus, pay some
serious $$$ and you can download the HP audio books (legally) from
iTunes.

Dina



From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Sep  8 03:59:53 2005
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:59:53 EDT
Subject: Speaking of pink, BBC article on a pink cat
Message-ID: <1fb.106e104b.30511139@aol.com>

 
 
Maybe the cat met a cat painter. 
 
http://www.whypaintcats.com/




Or took a short visit to the Wizarding World.
 
---Mary
"Nobody reads just comics; eventually, you read  everything."
Stan Lee


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 17:07:42 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:07:42 -0400
Subject: This desk doesn't look comfortable
Message-ID: <1a273840050908100776b6daa2@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.meritline.com/computer-desks-ml-tp05-desk.html

Is a person expected to lean forward or something?  Dude, my back is
feeling 'sympathy' pains just looking at how you're suppose to lean
over to view the computer monitor.

Dina



From ms-tamany at rcn.com  Thu Sep  8 20:57:54 2005
From: ms-tamany at rcn.com (Tammy Rizzo)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:57:54 -0400
Subject: This desk doesn't look comfortable
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050908100776b6daa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43206D92.31233.1950ACD1@localhost>

On 8 Sep 2005 at 13:07, Dina Lerret wrote:

> http://www.meritline.com/computer-desks-ml-tp05-desk.html

> Is a person expected to lean forward or something?  Dude, my back is
> feeling 'sympathy' pains just looking at how you're suppose to lean
> over to view the computer monitor.
> 
> Dina

Actually, that's a rather comfortable-to-use desk, to the best of my understanding.  You see, 
you're not looking THROUGH the glass desktop to the monitor underneath.  You're using the 
glass desktop as a refracting surface, or possibly a reflecting surface, like a Heads Up Display 
in a jet fighter.  The monitor is set below the desktop and shines up onto the glass, and you 
just look at the glass in the desktop and see the image reflected from the monitor, as if you 
were reading a book on the table..  It's supposed to help with neck strain, eye strain, and 
attendant headaches, since you're not craning your neck upwards all the time, or looking 
upwards, either.

Of course, if you're like most people, you NEED the monitor up on top of the desk, to keep you 
from piling papers and stuff on the face of it, so you can SEE.  ;-)

***
Tammy Rizzo
ms-tamany at rcn.com

What were you in your pants that was still pining over and went to the
businessman?
          -- 'Atlanta Nights', by Travis Tea (chapter 34)



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  8 22:37:55 2005
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:37:55 -0000
Subject: This desk doesn't look comfortable
In-Reply-To: <1a273840050908100776b6daa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfqeg3+t48v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
> http://www.meritline.com/computer-desks-ml-tp05-desk.html
> 
> Is a person expected to lean forward or something?  Dude, my back is
> feeling 'sympathy' pains just looking at how you're suppose to lean
> over to view the computer monitor.
> 
> Dina

Tonks:

Actually we have that type at our local public library and it is far 
better than something on top of a desk that is too high up for a short 
person with bi-focals. It is not as bad as it looks. And it saves your 
neck from straining.

Tonks_op





From ichangeling at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 22:17:32 2005
From: ichangeling at gmail.com (Indigo Changeling)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:17:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: This desk doesn't look comfortable
In-Reply-To: <43206D92.31233.1950ACD1@localhost>
References: <1a273840050908100776b6daa2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43206D92.31233.1950ACD1@localhost>
Message-ID: <b1edf4000509081517e5ab7bb@mail.gmail.com>

At university I used one of these setups. One of the computer pograming and 
design labs had monitors set up like that. It was very nice.i would love the 
set up. Then I would also love a flat pannel on my bedroom ceiling. Both 
perfect angles. :)
 As for pileup, most people I know battle with flat surfaces (as in, any 
flat surface will be promptly used as inbox, coaster, etc.). I've started to 
prop my digital tablet up just to keep myself from regarding it as high 
value flat surface. 
 My monitor is up higher than is egronomically correct, but at least I can 
see. :D
 Indra


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 00:18:37 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:18:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: This desk doesn't look comfortable
In-Reply-To: <43206D92.31233.1950ACD1@localhost>
References: <1a273840050908100776b6daa2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <43206D92.31233.1950ACD1@localhost>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509081718110e44b0@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/8/05, Tammy Rizzo <ms-tamany at rcn.com> wrote:

> just look at the glass in the desktop and see the image reflected from the monitor, as if you
> were reading a book on the table..  It's supposed to help with neck strain, eye strain, and
> attendant headaches, since you're not craning your neck upwards all the time, or looking
> upwards, either.

Uh, I must be in the minority because I'm never looking up at a
monitor.  In fact, I'm currently slouching and I'm eye level with this
monitor.  The monitor on my righthand side is boosted up on a few
phonebooks and it's a couple inches lower than this one.  While my Mac
at work is more like... at nose level, unless I'm slouching again. {g}
 My chairs aren't high at all either since I've had folk complain
about how I might as well be 'sitting on the floor'.

What I find uncomfortable is how it looks like you're leaning over to
read, which bothers my lower back.  I never found that a comfortable
reading position or the fact my eyelids would be drooping, thus,
encouraging me to doze off. {g}  Oh, wait, it'd be perfect for work! 
I used to doze off frequently and the only way you could tell I was
snoozing was from the random pen marks all over the paper in front of
me because I kept a pen in my hand.  Co-worker used to poke fun at
those pen marks. {chuckle}


> Of course, if you're like most people, you NEED the monitor up on top of the desk, to keep you
> from piling papers and stuff on the face of it, so you can SEE.  ;-)

LOL!  I think the amount of sticky notes attached to the monitor
defeats the purpose of 'seeing'.

Dina



From plungy116 at aol.com  Fri Sep  9 12:48:07 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 12:48:07 -0000
Subject: iTunes download
Message-ID: <dfs0a7+7pnn@eGroups.com>

A good idea - ?174 for the first five in total.  However, not being on 
broadband and having a particularly ancient and slow computer just how 
long would it take me to download The Order of the Phoenix at over 29 
hours when a four minute song takes about twenty minutes?  Toooooo long!
I think I might just save up for the cds and put them on my comp and 
iPod that way.

Sarah xx
Currently re-reading the series for the first time in ages.  Harry and 
Ron have just got to school in the Ford Anglia ...





From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 10 17:53:07 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:53:07 -0000
Subject: Joe6991 Hosting an Author Chat at www.wizardtales.net on Sat 9/17 & Sun 9/18
Message-ID: <dfv6i3+drqe@eGroups.com>

The host of our next Author chat needs no introduction. He is a young
teenage writer who has taken the Harry Potter fanfic world by storm
with his magnificent "Hero" trilogy.

Yes, I am talking about none other than the Wonder from Down Under,
the Master of Disaster ? Joe6991.

His storyline across Harry Potter and the Sword of the Hero, Harry
Potter and the Defiance of the Hero and Harry Potter and the Sould of
the Hero is such that you will be left begging for more; his chapters
flow like smooth silk and his action sequences
 his action sequences
are some of the biggest & best in fanfiction.

They just get better and better, bigger and bigger. Every time you
feel that there could be nothing that he could possibly write that
could be any better, he pulls something more out of the hat.

His trilogy is mostly Harry centric. And what a Harry it is! He stands
out like a God among mere mortals. 

Fire burns in his eyes, sheer power resides in his body and his will
is made of the purest and strongest steel. You are left reading in awe
as page after page, word after word rushes by.  

If action is what you like in your fanfics, then you are most likely
already a fan of his. If you haven't read his Trilogies yet, then you
are missing out on some really fantastic writing. Go read it
now.

The Chat dates and times (and all time zone translations) are:
?	Saturday, September 17 at 7:30 pm EST : This translates to 6:30 pm
CST, 5:30 pm MST and 4:30 pm PST in the US; 12:30 am on Sunday, Sept
18 in London; 01:30 am Sunday in Berlin; 04:30 am Sunday in India and
9:30 am Sunday in Sydney and 07:30 am in Australia where Joe lives.
?	Sunday, September 18 at 10:00 am EST:  This translates to 09:00 am
CST, 08:00 am MST and 07:00 am PST in the US; 3:00 pm in London; 4:00
pm in Berlin; 7:00 pm in India and 10 pm in Australia where Joe lives
and Midnight in Sydney, Australia.

Registration at the chatroom is quick and easy at
www.wizardtales.net/chat.  Hope to see you there!





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Sep 10 20:14:54 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:14:54 -0000
Subject: job nostalgia / pink cat
Message-ID: <dfveru+6fg6@eGroups.com>

snazzzybird wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28858 :

<< Twenty-one years later I'm still using hex, but the technology has
made it more of a rare occasion. I read dumps online using software
that will take you to the failing instruction, variables, where the
regs are pointing, and anything else you can think of. When I do need
a hex calculator, I just use the one in "Accessories" on the computer.
Everything's removed, everything's onscreen. I look back to my days
working in pencil on the green-and-white striped pages of the dump,
and it seems so primitive -- and yet I kind of miss it. I don't miss
the punched cards, though! >>

Up until just about one year ago, I could have said much the same
thing -- altho' I was always lousy at reading dumps and never actually
learned Assembler -- there were just a couple of pgms written in
Assembler in my dear old MMS system, one named MRPBATCH and a pair for
analysing ABC codes based on value and usage -- when they had
problems, I had to decrypt some parts of them, but when it was too
much for me, I had to ask my friend Barry or my co-worker Regina for
help just reading what the damn thing did ... 

But we have been converting MMS (Material Management System -
mainframe COBOL CICS DL/I) and VMS (Vehicle Management System -
mainframe COBOL IMS DB/DC) and MMAS (Manpower
something-something-something, it got the vehicle mechanics paid,
mainframe) and all the little stand-alone systems (Series/1, AS/400,
Foxpro, MS Access, MS Excel, handwritten) to One Integrated
Maintenance and Material Management System (M3). And Material
Management has completed moving over.

Requirements on the RFP included that M3 must run in Oracle on
RISC6000 server using AIX with Windows PCs as client, because my
enterprise is determined to Get Rid Of The Mainframe. Moving to an
integrated and modern and RDBMS was not a bad idea (altho' we could
have kept the mainframe as an Oracle server under someIX), but *doing*
it has been *years* of hell. 

I wonder whether it would be as bad if we hadn't chosen a bidder who
deliberately bid less than it could possibly cost to be the lowest
bidder and therefore has long since run out of money and demanded more
and more, and promised to meet a schedule which everyone except our
top management believed to be impossible and therefore devotes much
energy to blaming all real and imaginary delays on us. The money comes
from top management but the blame goes on lowly folks like me.

Dina (hey, do you like Adam->Adina because he chose your name?) wrote
in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28864 :

<< http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cornwall/4215890.stm

"A west Devon couple are baffled by how their nine-year-old white cat
turned pink after a weekend stroll." >>

Tim stirfrys in the wok, chopped up veggies, nuts, and chicken with
curry spices. He procrastinates about cleaning the wok afterwards.
Long ago we had a piebald (tabby and white) cat named Obi, and one
time Obi curled up in the used wok (because cats curl up in round
things the right size, as seen in http://catsinsinks.com ). He got all
that curried cooking oil in his fur, and he wouldn't lick it off
because he didn't like the curry. All his white parts were neon orange
(and he left stains wherever he went). I had to give him a bath. After
which, his white fur was a pastel peach.
  





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Sep 10 22:15:47 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:15:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: job nostalgia / pink cat
In-Reply-To: <dfveru+6fg6@eGroups.com>
References: <dfveru+6fg6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a27384005091015153781728e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/05, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:

> Dina (hey, do you like Adam->Adina because he chose your name?) wrote
> in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28864 :

I did notice the name and it amused me--though, the DVD spells the
name as Adena and the presskits as Adina and most of fandom goes with
Adina--but it's actually the actor and character combination.  Seems
to be a recurring 'joke' among the Smallville fans, especially in fan
fiction, and then there's the Smallville DVD commentary with Tom
Welling teasing Michael Rosenbaum by bringing up Sorority Boys.  Not
sure how the Seventh Heaven fans joke about Barry Watson also being in
drag for Sorority Boys.

Offhand, I think the recurring 'jokes' that cross Harry Potter tie
into Lord of the Rings from fanon's Cassie Claire's Legolas moniker of
'still the prettiest' to Grima (AKA Wormtongue) and Snape duking it
out over who has the worst 'greasy' wig or even Elijah Wood saying he
was once mistaken as the Harry Potter actor.


> Long ago we had a piebald (tabby and white) cat named Obi, and one
> time Obi curled up in the used wok (because cats curl up in round
> things the right size, as seen in http://catsinsinks.com ). He got all
> that curried cooking oil in his fur, and he wouldn't lick it off

{g} Yeah, when I cook curry (from the Oriental market), that stuff stains!

Dina



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 11 04:02:05 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Sep 2005 04:02:05 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1126411325.10.61412.m34@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 11 15:02:04 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Sep 2005 15:02:04 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1126450924.16.45042.m26@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 11, 2005 
Time: 11:00AM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 13:29:09 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:29:09 -0400
Subject: The first HP-speficic WIKI
Message-ID: <5913e6f805091206292c0d96e@mail.gmail.com>

FictionAlley.org, HPANA and the HarryPotterFanZone are pleased to
announce the launch of the first Harry Potter-specific Wiki-style
encyclopedia. You can find it at http://harrypotterwiki.org/ - feel
free to look around, and start adding new entries, and editing the
ones we already have.

Unlike other wikis, this one is created to include canon information,
as well as links to threads discussing the character, and fanart and
fanfiction featuring  the character, without actually incorporating
fic and art onto the pages. We do this to provide an expansive
resource about the books, the movies and the information that JKR has
shared with the world, as well as the interpritations of that world
that fans have created over the past six-plus years.

You can see the entry for Harry Potter at
http://harrypotterwiki.org/wiki/Harry_Potter as an example of the
ideal comprehensiveness of the information and links.


So come and WIKI with me!


Heidi



From lithrael at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:34:50 2005
From: lithrael at gmail.com (Lithrael)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:50 -0000
Subject: UK HBP audiobook
Message-ID: <dg6v3a+8p5i@eGroups.com>


  In a somewhat convoluted trade I bought a Frenchman some stuff from 
a girl in Japan and he bought me the Stephen Fry reading of HBP from 
Amazon UK.  It arrived here in sunny Florida a little while ago and 
I've been glued to it ever since.

  Since most of the messages here comparing Jim Dale and Stephen Fry 
have favored Jim, I thought I'd represent Stephen, because he is love.

  The UK audiobooks are quite pricey, and tough to get ahold of here 
in the US except through Amazon UK.  But if you like a bit of 
subtlety and an absolutely brilliant performance, it is so worth it 
it's ridiculous.

  Think of it this way: Jim Dale performs the book like a one-man 
show.  Stephen Fry reads it like a favorite uncle reading just for 
you.  Everything is nuance.  It's like chocolate.  And Jim Dale is 
popcorn.

  But of course, the clincher is that in the battle of Snapes and 
Malfoys young and old, Fry's versions tower over Dale's 
caricatures.  ;D

  If you're a fan of Fry at all (some easy to come across in the US 
roles are the lead in Wilde, Jeeves in Jeeves and Wooster, Melchett 
in Blackadder) you *will* love his performance.  

  There's a clip of the book available on its page on Amazon UK if 
you want to give it a try.  Nothing special is needed to order from 
the US, and their overseas shipping cost isn't bad either.

  http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0747582580

  Okay...  I'm done pimping now.  For the moment.  *evil laughter*

 -Lithrael






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 18:58:13 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:58:13 -0400
Subject: Shipping and Rosenbaum Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] UK HBP audiobook
In-Reply-To: <dg6v3a+8p5i@eGroups.com>
References: <dg6v3a+8p5i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509131158151f6b54@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/05, Lithrael <lithrael at gmail.com> wrote:
>   In a somewhat convoluted trade I bought a Frenchman some stuff from
> a girl in Japan and he bought me the Stephen Fry reading of HBP from
> Amazon UK.  It arrived here in sunny Florida a little while ago and

I ordered Rave MacBeth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251364/ ) from
Germany on 9/2 and it arrived at Florida last night.  Speedy shipping!
 The wonders of international products.  Rather glad I have a
multi-region DVD player.


>   Since most of the messages here comparing Jim Dale and Stephen Fry
> have favored Jim, I thought I'd represent Stephen, because he is love.

See, I'm generally under the 'vibe' Jim Dale is the 'underdog' with
more folk favoring Stephen Fry.  Plus, Dale gets knocked down for
reading the US version.  As to popcorn versus chocolate, I had popcorn
last night. :-)  I like voices with obvious 'personality', but I'm not
saying all of Dale's choices jive with me.

Heh, speaking of Rave MacBeth, I'm currently on a Michael Rosenbaum
kick because he amuses me with these, at times, odd roles.  Rave
MacBeth is Shakespeare's MacBeth but set in a German rave/dance club
with drugs, sex, and murder--overall, a bizarre/visceral/surrealistic
flick.  This movie and Smallville have him as a control-hungry maniac
with blood showered on him (reminiscent of the movie, Carrie)... My
recent expansion was to see him in Midnight in the Garden of Good and
Evil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119668/ ), which does have an
impressive 'resume' of Clint Eastwood directing and starring John
Cusack and Kevin Spacey.  This time Rosenbaum isn't the guy in drag
but he portrays a gay man, who managed to crack me up by his character
saying he was 'three weeks not gay'. {snort}

Whether or not the Bible approves of homosexuality, it's not something
you just 'quit' like smoking.  You can choose abstinence but you'd
still be just as queer as a three dollar bill.

Dina



From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Sep 14 02:55:20 2005
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (MsTattersall)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:55:20 -0000
Subject: UK HBP audiobook
In-Reply-To: <dg6v3a+8p5i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dg83eo+m04f@eGroups.com>

I'm a big fan of the Fry version also, though Dale does a very good 
job. It's fun to compare the differences in pacing as well as in 
characterization. For example, in the UK version, Fry pauses a tiny 
bit after saying a person's name in the narrative, possibly so that 
you have time to fix that person's image in your mind. It's like a 
comma pause, i.e., "Harry, mounted his broom and kicked off from the 
ground."

I hope to have the UK version "bootlegged" to me when my friend from 
Scotland visits the Colonies later this year!
Ms,Tattersall

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lithrael" <lithrael at g...> 
wrote:
> 
>   In a somewhat convoluted trade I bought a Frenchman some stuff 
from 
> a girl in Japan and he bought me the Stephen Fry reading of HBP 
from 
> Amazon UK.  It arrived here in sunny Florida a little while ago and 
> I've been glued to it ever since.
> 
>   Since most of the messages here comparing Jim Dale and Stephen 
Fry 
> have favored Jim, I thought I'd represent Stephen, because he is 
love.
> 
>   The UK audiobooks are quite pricey, and tough to get ahold of 
here 
> in the US except through Amazon UK.  But if you like a bit of 
> subtlety and an absolutely brilliant performance, it is so worth it 
> it's ridiculous.
> 
>   Think of it this way: Jim Dale performs the book like a one-man 
> show.  Stephen Fry reads it like a favorite uncle reading just for 
> you.  Everything is nuance.  It's like chocolate.  And Jim Dale is 
> popcorn.
> 
>   But of course, the clincher is that in the battle of Snapes and 
> Malfoys young and old, Fry's versions tower over Dale's 
> caricatures.  ;D
> 
>   If you're a fan of Fry at all (some easy to come across in the US 
> roles are the lead in Wilde, Jeeves in Jeeves and Wooster, Melchett 
> in Blackadder) you *will* love his performance.  
> 
>   There's a clip of the book available on its page on Amazon UK if 
> you want to give it a try.  Nothing special is needed to order from 
> the US, and their overseas shipping cost isn't bad either.
> 
>   http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0747582580
> 
>   Okay...  I'm done pimping now.  For the moment.  *evil laughter*
> 
>  -Lithrael






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 21:00:54 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:00:54 -0400
Subject: Funny but disturbing Elijah Wood 'birthing' pic
Message-ID: <1a27384005091414007fb8dae4@mail.gmail.com>

The link isn't necessarily worksafe... so, of course, I'm looking at
this while still at work:
http://cityrag.blogs.com/main/2005/09/the_birth_of_fr.html

Carolyn pointed the picture out and... {snicker} Okay, I can laugh at
'disgusting' humour. {chuckle}

He's like the posterboy for pro-choice advocates. ;-)

Dina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Sep 15 03:38:29 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:38:29 -0000
Subject: Fan vid comments on HP, SV, and guys in drag
In-Reply-To: <1a27384005090522294a88e8f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dgaqbl+ru48@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at g...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Gosh, that's gotta be like my uber kink is guys that look like 
gals. 
> One of my favorite groups is
> http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=andropotterist where
> gender 'lines' are crossed for HP characters.
> 
You should check out Harry Potter Filks, wherein our illustrator, Red 
Scharlach, has gender-bended several prominent HP characters:

Gilderoy Lockhart:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/capawry.htm

Sirius Black:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/azkaban.htm

Rebeus Hagrid:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/merlinrouge.htm

Severus Snape:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/places/theorybay.htm
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/soundofmagic.htm

and Harry himself:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/harry.htm

   - CMC

HARRY POTTER FILKS
http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Sep 15 12:16:36 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:16:36 -0000
Subject: Voldemort the business man?
Message-ID: <dgbon4+c7k1@eGroups.com>

Geoff:
Yesterday, I was interested to find new areas which have reached by the 
influence of Voldemort.

The UK Competition Commission published a report slamming the use of 
store cards as a source of credit finance and pointing out that most 
store cards charge an APR about twice that of ordinary cards.

One finance adviser was being interviewed on Channel 4 news about this 
and advised buyers never, never, never to borrow anything via store 
cards which involved lenghty repayments.

His parting shot?

"Store cards are the Voldemorts of credit cards"!!





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 13:18:32 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:18:32 -0400
Subject: George Bush's 'bathroom' pass?
Message-ID: <1a2738400509150618789d2b09@mail.gmail.com>

Judith finds some good stuff!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050914/ids_photos_ts/r2587077477.jpg

If the image doesn't load, it's a handwritten note asking for
permission to take a bathroom break and Yahoo has a caption of "U.S.
President George W. Bush writes a note to Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice during a Security Council meeting at the 2005 World
Summit".

Heh, Carolyn may be on the right track of wondering if Rice is a
Dominatrix and GB is her 'bitch'. {snicker}  Okay, it's probably not
that but it's still amusing.

Dina



From heidi8 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 13:32:09 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:32:09 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] George Bush's 'bathroom' pass?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400509150618789d2b09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400509150618789d2b09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1126791131.FEA4F29@bf11.dngr.org>


On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 9:29 am, Dina Lerret wrote:
>
> Heh, Carolyn may be on the right track of wondering if Rice is a
> Dominatrix and GB is her 'bitch'. {snicker}  Okay, it's probably not
> that but it's still amusing.
I doubt it goes that far but remember how she called him her husband at 
a dinner last fall?

Heidi



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 14:43:17 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:43:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] George Bush's 'bathroom' pass?
In-Reply-To: <1126791131.FEA4F29@bf11.dngr.org>
References: <1a2738400509150618789d2b09@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1126791131.FEA4F29@bf11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <1a2738400509150743416572bf@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/05, Heidi Tandy <heidi8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I doubt it goes that far but remember how she called him her husband at
> a dinner last fall?

Vaguely.  I get my news from a combination of Bay News 9 (Tampa Bay
station) and the Daily Show with a little mixture of Bill Maher on
HBO. {g}  Oh yeah, and fandom folk who follow the political and social
landscape like a shark seeking blood.  Generally, it's useful to know
if the world will go 'splodey the next day. ;-)

Although, looking on that note and combining my pervy mind, it could
be taken as something more along the line of a proposition, but then I
could be treading in some dodgy grounds with implications that Rice
'slept' her way to the top.  The latter being a vibe periodically
joked about but... Hmm.

Dina



From cjdriver at uwo.ca  Thu Sep 15 16:30:29 2005
From: cjdriver at uwo.ca (hpresearcher)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:30:29 -0000
Subject: HP loving library student looking for those to share their love of HP!
Message-ID: <dgc7j5+t5bt@eGroups.com>

Hello! My name is Cassondra Driver, and I am a student Master's
of 
Library and Information Science at the University of Western Ontario 
in Canada.  Due to my love of Harry Potter, I have decided to 
conduct some research as part of my Master's program to try and
find 
out a little more as to why adults enjoy reading the Harry Potter 
series.  The reason I am posting on this forum is because my 
research is being conducted over the Internet, and I wanted to reach 
as many fellow Harry Potter loving adults as I possibly could, to 
give you a chance to share why you personally enjoy reading Harry 
Potter.  If you are over the age of 18, and would like to share why 
you enjoy reading the Harry Potter series, please click on the 
following link to complete the questionnaire.

	http://www.harrypottersurvey.com

When arriving at the above link you will require a username and 
password to complete the questionnaire.  The username is harry, and 
the password of course, is potter.  

If you decide to participate, please take this questionnaire 
seriously, as it is part of serious academic research.  The 
questionnaire should take approximately 15 to 45 minutes to 
complete, depending on how much you have to say about your favorite 
wizard!  You will remain completely anonymous, to ensure that you 
feel comfortable expressing your opinions about why you like the 
Harry Potter series honestly.  Once again, this research is only for 
those people over the age of 18.  If you have any questions, feel 
free to email me at cjdriver at uwo.ca

Thank you in advance for your participation!

Cassondra Driver










From lunalovegood at shaw.ca  Thu Sep 15 17:10:25 2005
From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (tbernhard2000)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:25 -0000
Subject: HP loving library student looking for those to share their love of HP!
In-Reply-To: <dgc7j5+t5bt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgc9u1+3hja@eGroups.com>

hpresearcher wrote:
> Hello! My name is Cassondra Driver, and I am a student Master's
> of 
> Library and Information Science at the University of Western 
Ontario 
> in Canada.  Due to my love of Harry Potter, I have decided to 
> conduct some research as part of my Master's program to try and
> find 
> out a little more as to why adults enjoy reading the Harry Potter 
> series.

dan:
Why?

I mean, over half the people who read the books are adults, so, my 
question is, why do you care? What is this research supposed to 
indicate? I mean, really, that I don't understand the purpose of the 
research. We read it cause we enjoy it, you suggest. Do you think we 
enjoy reading it for different reasons than you do?

Also, using online fandom to enter into this study is loopily skewed.

Now, if you were wondering about interpretations, I could understand. 
But why do I enjoy reading HP? Why do I enjoy ketchup?

I don't get it, sorry.











From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 15 22:09:14 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:09:14 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
Message-ID: <dgcrea+2qon@eGroups.com>

Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others 
think.

If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy hte 
story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would wish
for 
more in character development department.

To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.

JMO,

Alla.





From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Thu Sep 15 23:08:32 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:08:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgcrea+2qon@eGroups.com>
References: <dgcrea+2qon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5a80b76f5b0c933f7e484dc8d2350033@fandm.edu>

Alla:
> Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others
> think.
>
> If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy hte
> story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would wish
> for
> more in character development department.
>
> To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.

I finished it a couple of weeks ago.  I did it in one sitting, so I 
certainly argee that it was a hard-to-put-down book.  On the other 
hand, aspects of Paolini's writing remain distinctly immature -- he's 
grown a *lot* since ERAGON, but he's still got a ways to go (especially 
in, as you say, the character development department).

However, the biggest problem *I* have with his writing is how heavily 
he 'borrows' from other fantasies, notably THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  Now, 
don't get me wrong, I'm all for borrowing.  No new stories, &c.  The 
trick is to make it your own to the extent that the reader doesn't 
*notice* any strong similarities.  IMO, Paolini really failed at this 
in ERAGON and, to some extent, in ELDEST too.

I mean, the least he could have done would have been to make his proper 
and place names seem unique.  Farthen Dur?  Gimme a break.  Not to 
mention that "Eragon" is about an "r" away from "Aragorn".  He's just 
*asking* for accusations of unoriginality.

Unfortunately, in ELDEST, he was stuck with a lot of the choices he 
made in ERAGON (place names, characteristics of his races, &c), so 
although he had matured a lot as a writer, there was only so much he 
could do to make his story more original.

It's kinda too bad, IMO, that he started so young.  Maybe if he were 
older, he would have had the confidence and experience to be able to 
write the Inheritance trilogy the way it *could* have been written.  As 
it is, I doubt he'll get another shot at writing an epic fantasy that 
is popular with the masses.

Laura

P.S. His vocabulary makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.






From joseph at kirtland.com  Fri Sep 16 00:43:36 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:43:36 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <5a80b76f5b0c933f7e484dc8d2350033@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <dgd4fo+lnf3@eGroups.com>

I think that most any fantasy story will be compared to or accused of 
borrowing from Lord of the Rings.  

I had the pleasure of meeting Christopher Paolini just a couple days 
ago at a signing in Salt Lake City.  He is quite a fascinating 
individual.  His years of home schooling must have been effective, as 
he seems extremely intelligent for his age. 

He is overly grateful to his fans, since it seems he still can't 
quite believe himself that he has been so successful thus far.  It 
was a pleasure to meet an individual so personal.  

Is anyone familiar with the graphic novel series, Elfquest?  Elfquest 
was written over 25 years ago as a novel in comic book form by Windi 
Pini.  As I was reading Eragon, I noticed strong similarities to 
Elfquest as well as Lord of the Rings.   I guess I'm not a writer 
because I couldn't think of something entirely unique that included 
elves, dwarves, etc. that would entirely separate my work from the 
past work of others.

One thing regarding the name Eragon - I don't think Paolini's 
inspiration was from Aragorn.  Since Paolini was writing a story 
involving dragons, he just shifted the first letter of the word 
dragon by one letter.  



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Laura Ingalls Huntley 
<lhuntley at f...> wrote:
> Alla:
> > Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others
> > think.
> >
> > If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy 
hte
> > story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would wish
> > for
> > more in character development department.
> >
> > To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.
> 
> I finished it a couple of weeks ago.  I did it in one sitting, so I 
> certainly argee that it was a hard-to-put-down book.  On the other 
> hand, aspects of Paolini's writing remain distinctly immature -- 
he's 
> grown a *lot* since ERAGON, but he's still got a ways to go 
(especially 
> in, as you say, the character development department).
> 
> However, the biggest problem *I* have with his writing is how 
heavily 
> he 'borrows' from other fantasies, notably THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  
Now, 
> don't get me wrong, I'm all for borrowing.  No new stories, &c.  
The 
> trick is to make it your own to the extent that the reader doesn't 
> *notice* any strong similarities.  IMO, Paolini really failed at 
this 
> in ERAGON and, to some extent, in ELDEST too.
> 
> I mean, the least he could have done would have been to make his 
proper 
> and place names seem unique.  Farthen Dur?  Gimme a break.  Not to 
> mention that "Eragon" is about an "r" away from "Aragorn".  He's 
just 
> *asking* for accusations of unoriginality.
> 
> Unfortunately, in ELDEST, he was stuck with a lot of the choices he 
> made in ERAGON (place names, characteristics of his races, &c), so 
> although he had matured a lot as a writer, there was only so much 
he 
> could do to make his story more original.
> 
> It's kinda too bad, IMO, that he started so young.  Maybe if he 
were 
> older, he would have had the confidence and experience to be able 
to 
> write the Inheritance trilogy the way it *could* have been 
written.  As 
> it is, I doubt he'll get another shot at writing an epic fantasy 
that 
> is popular with the masses.
> 
> Laura
> 
> P.S. His vocabulary makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Fri Sep 16 01:49:15 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:49:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paolini's "Eldest"
References: <dgcrea+2qon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002701c5ba60$d842cb50$ff4dac43@cauldron1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 6:09 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paolini's "Eldest"


> Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others 
> think.
> 
> If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy hte 
> story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would wish
> for 
> more in character development department.
> 
> To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.
> 
> JMO,
> 
> Alla.
> 
Well, im about 3/4 done with it, just started reading it oh, this morning..
I sure hope Ronan has somehting to do with it all.  




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 16 08:29:12 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:29:12 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <002701c5ba60$d842cb50$ff4dac43@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <dgdvoo+jf0i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" <bumbledore at c...>
wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at y...>
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Paolini's "Eldest"
> 
> 
> > Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others 
> > think.
> > 
> > If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy
> > the story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would 
> > wish for  more in character development department.
> > 
> > To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.
> > 
> > JMO,
> > 
> > Alla.
> > 


> Well, im about 3/4 done with it, just started reading it oh, this
> morning.. I sure hope Ronan has somehting to do with it all.
>
> bumbledore

bboyminn:

First, I thought Ronan's story was just as epic and heroic as
Eragon's, and it seems that it must continue into the last book.
Eragon and Ronan together fighyting for justice.

As to the accusation of other that Eragon/Eldest is a 'Lord of the
Rings' rip-off, I think any story that has battles, elves, dwarves,
and other semi-humanoid creatures, plus magic and takes place in a
made-up place at a made-up time is always going to be accused of being
'borrowed' from 'The Rings'. But I see very little similarity in the
plot or story. 

Take Dwarves for example, in most literature dwarves have common
characteristics. They are not uniformly the same but they are
typically associcated with tunneling, but I think that come for
general myth and fairtales, not from Lord of the Rings. The same is
true of elves. While there are many creatures that are called elves
that do not resemble elves in The Rings, there are many myths and
legends where they do. I don't think Tolken invented those concept. He
borrowed them, made them unique, and placed them in his unique world.

There are various myth, fairtales, and legends around magic. JKR
borrows them in one form and Paolini borrows them in another, and
Jonathan Stroud (Bartimaeus) creates a third, but they are all based
on previous versions of existing myths. For example, in Stroud and
Paolini's version of magic, knowing someone's true name is
significant; in JKR's version it's not. But concept of the
significants of knowing a person's true name comes from general legend
surrounding mythical magic.

So, I think all these author are drawing from the same pool of general
knowledge. 

As far as the books by Paolini, I also found them to be 'can't put
them down' books. The stories are action-packed, never-a-dull-moment
books. 

As far as character development, I found all the primary characters
very well developed. In some ways even better than in 'The Rings'. I
feel as if I know all these characters, as if I know them very
personally, and that is the true test of character development. The
character's have personality, they all speak in a unique voice, they
all are distinct. At least they are to me.

The biggest disappointment in this last books is finishing it and
knowing how terribly long I am going to have to wait to find out what
happens. My desperate desire to know what happens next is one of the
strongest tributes to the author. 

So, while I admit some slight shortcomings, overal these are great
books that I will read again and again. Thrilling tales of heroic
struggles against overwhelming odds.

We recently discussed these book, so if you search the group for
'Eldest', you will certainly find our most recent discussion.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn





From bdrcol22 at aol.com  Fri Sep 16 13:14:03 2005
From: bdrcol22 at aol.com (bdrcol22 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:14:03 EDT
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest
Message-ID: <bd.60109130.305c1f1b@aol.com>

Joe:
> Is anyone familiar with the graphic novel series, Elfquest? 
> Elfquest was written over 25 years ago as a novel in comic
> book form by Windi Pini.  As I was reading Eragon, I noticed
> strong similarities to Elfquest as well as Lord of the Rings.  
> I guess I'm not a writer because I couldn't think of something
> entirely unique that included elves, dwarves, etc. that would
> entirely separate my work from the past work of others.


I do not post much, but wanted to chime in.  I have been an Elfquest fan for 
about 20 of it's 25 years.  I also do see some simlarities between the Eragon 
and Eldest books to LotR and Elfquest and the like.  But I am glad that there 
are the younger writers out there, continuing to make the stories that I love 
to read.  I also met Paolini at a signing when Eragon came out, and I found 
him to be a very bright and humble young man.  I have thoroughly enjoyed reading 
his works.

Danielle

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From azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Sep 16 18:59:00 2005
From: azakitpgr at yahoo.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:59:00 -0000
Subject: Paolini Home Schooled (Was: Paolini's "Eldest")
In-Reply-To: <dgd4fo+lnf3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgf4lk+48si@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at k...> 
wrote:
> I had the pleasure of meeting Christopher Paolini just a couple days 
> ago at a signing in Salt Lake City.  He is quite a fascinating 
> individual.  His years of home schooling must have been effective, 
> as he seems extremely intelligent for his age. 

I didn't know he was home schooled!  Is it possible for you to give me 
a link to where you got this info.  My (home educated) daughter is a 
fan.

Paul






From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Sep 17 01:51:43 2005
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:51:43 -0000
Subject: Paolini Home Schooled (Was: Paolini's "Eldest")
In-Reply-To: <dgf4lk+48si@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgfsrf+hk8a@eGroups.com>


Paul:

> I didn't know he was home schooled! Is it possible for you to give
me
> a link to where you got this info. My (home educated) daughter is a
> fan.


Hi Paul,

You might try this link: "http://www.shurtugal.com/?
id=trilogy/christopher/index" This is a link to a fan site that
Christopher Paolini endorses from his own Alagaesia website. There is
another portion of this website that mentions Christopher's first 
tour
following the original self-publication of Eragon. Apparently the
first time he ever stepped foot in his public high-school was when he
addressed the class about his book.

Everyone might be interested to know of the praises he offered JK
Rowling during his talk at the book signing. Looks as though he is a
fan of hers as well.

Joe













From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 18 06:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 18 Sep 2005 06:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1127023326.11.51836.m35@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 18, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 18 17:02:04 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 18 Sep 2005 17:02:04 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1127062924.12.58098.m32@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 18, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From Erthena at aol.com  Sun Sep 18 19:12:59 2005
From: Erthena at aol.com (Erthena at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:12:59 EDT
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
Message-ID: <5b.71a55067.305f163b@aol.com>

I had the "privilege" of having an advanced copy in June.  I agree  with 
everyone who said that it was incredibly hard to put down.  However I  did learn 
the downside to getting a book early.  While I had a great  time reading it, 
(and I'll be vague so as to avoid spoilers) I was very  upset at the fate of the 
rider of the red dragon on the cover.  That person  was my favorite character 
and I felt a great deal of anger at Paolini, similar  to my anger at JKR 
after OOP actually, although the two situations don't really  compare that well.  
The worst of it was that I had no way to vent anything  to anyone, because no 
one had read the book yet, so I fumed around for  about two days before I 
finally calmed down.  I am now positive that I'm  never reading an advance copy 
alone again.  Well you live you learn.
~~loony


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 19 02:50:59 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:50:59 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest" SPOILERS
In-Reply-To: <dgdvoo+jf0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgl92j+k2tp@eGroups.com>


Steve:
> As far as character development, I found all the primary characters
> very well developed. In some ways even better than in 'The Rings'. 
I
> feel as if I know all these characters, as if I know them very
> personally, and that is the true test of character development. The
> character's have personality, they all speak in a unique voice, 
they
> all are distinct. At least they are to me.



Alla:

To be quite honest ( and please believe me when I say it ), even 
though I love LOTR very much, I find   the characters to be quite  
undeveloped  for the most part. ( Alla  runs and hides). I truly 
admire Tolkien genuis, the book sounds like music to me, but none of 
the characters ( except maybe Boromir) touched me as much as JKR 
characters do.

I find Tolkine's world, his ideas to be much more developed than 
Potterverse would ever be, but people who live in those worlds - 
well, I certainly like characters of Potterverse much more.

Just me of course.

Yes, so, back to Eldest. I don't find comparison  to LOTR characters 
to be a true test of  character as well developed. :-)
Again, IMO.

Take Eragon for example. He is a good guy,who strives to be even 
better guy , or Rider to win the war, right? He fells in love with 
Aria.

What else do I know about him? I want to know more about his 
struggles and doubts, I want to know what else he desires, I want to 
see more of his pain when discovers that Morgan is his father, etc, 
etc.




Steve:
> We recently discussed these book, so if you search the group for
> 'Eldest', you will certainly find our most recent discussion.
> 
>

Alla:

I remember seeing that discussion, but for some reason I thought 
that this was prior to Eldest hitting  the stores.

I guess I was confused. :-)


Laura:

> I finished it a couple of weeks ago.  I did it in one sitting, so 
I 
> certainly argee that it was a hard-to-put-down book.  On the other 
> hand, aspects of Paolini's writing remain distinctly immature -- 
he's 
> grown a *lot* since ERAGON, but he's still got a ways to go 
(especially 
> in, as you say, the character development department).

Alla:

I agree, YES. I did not found the characters to be complex at all.



Laura: 
> However, the biggest problem *I* have with his writing is how 
heavily 
> he 'borrows' from other fantasies, notably THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  
Now, 
> don't get me wrong, I'm all for borrowing.  No new stories, &c.  
The 
> trick is to make it your own to the extent that the reader doesn't 
> *notice* any strong similarities.  IMO, Paolini really failed at 
this 
> in ERAGON and, to some extent, in ELDEST too.


Alla:

You know, it is funny. For some reason that did not bother me much. 
maybe because as Steve said I am used to Elves and Dwarves having 
similar qualities now throughout many books of this genre.

I think that Tolkien influenced the genre so profundly that it is 
impossible to find the book which is not touched by it in one way or 
another. They key of course as you say to make it your own. 



Laura:
> It's kinda too bad, IMO, that he started so young.  Maybe if he 
were 
> older, he would have had the confidence and experience to be able 
to 
> write the Inheritance trilogy the way it *could* have been 
written.  As 
> it is, I doubt he'll get another shot at writing an epic fantasy 
that 
> is popular with the masses.
> 

Alla:

Why not? Maybe  his other book will be even more popular?

> 
> P.S. His vocabulary makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

Alla:

Please forgive me, but could you explain why? I missed the joke. :-)


Alla.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 19 05:18:46 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 05:18:46 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest" SPOILERS
In-Reply-To: <dgl92j+k2tp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dglhnm+7l3v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Steve:
> > As far as character development, I found all the primary 
> > characters> very well developed. ... I feel as if I know all these
> > characters, as if I know them very personally, ...
> 
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Yes, so, back to Eldest. I don't find comparison  to LOTR characters 
> to be a true test of character as well developed. :-)
> Again, IMO.
> 
> Take Eragon for example. He is a good guy,who strives to be even 
> better guy , or Rider to win the war, right? He fells in love with 
> Aria.
> 
> What else do I know about him? I want to know more about his 
> struggles and doubts, I want to know what else he desires, I want to 
> see more of his pain when discovers that Morgan is his father, etc, 
> etc.
>
> ...edited...

bboyminn:

Interestingly, character development is not really about how much you
reveal about your characters, it's about how much the Reader THINKS
you revealed about them.

For example, if you read all the physical descriptions of Ron Weasley
in all the Potter books, you will discover that we really don't know
that much about how he looks. Yet, I have no doubt that every reader
has their own unique /sharp/ mental image of him. I know I have mine,
and he doesn't look like Rupert Grint. 

As a further example, we don't really find out that Draco has Blond
Hair until, believe it or not, Goblet of Fire. At least, I found no
prior references in my search.

JKR has a very compact style of writing. She says just enough to
stimulate your imagination to fill in the blanks. If you look at her
writing clinically, then she has poor character development, but if
you look into the minds of the readers and see the vivid images and
the sense of personality of those characters, we realize that the
characters are very well developed. 

That's why there are massively more Harry Potter Fan Fiction writers
than any other genre. Because so many of us have such a true to life
sense of Harry and the gang that we have no problem imagining them in
almost any, and frequenly very unlikely, situations. Harry Potter
Lives, and so does Ron, Herione, Draco, Neville, etc... etc... etc...
because the author stimulated our minds to give them life. THAT is the
mark of a good writer and storyteller.

To some extent, I get this same sense with Eragon, Murtagh, Orik,
Arya, etc..., regardless of how much the author actually said about
them, I see them crystal clear in my minds eye. They live, they
breath, they have character and personality. 

Regarding, Eragon's feelings about Morzan (not Morgan), I think they
are very clearly shown in the narrative. In fact, a great deal of the
narrative takes place in Eragon's mind. Of course, this book is not a
'single point of view' book the way Harry Potter is. Multiple points
of view can be difficult especially of an immature author. Yet, I feel
Paolini does an excellent job. 

Keep in mind that the end of the book is pretty much the end of the
battle, and everyone is wear with exhaustion, so I don't expect a lot
of deep thought from anyone. I expect we will get a great deal of
reflection on the 'Morzan' news in the next book which seem oh so far
away. 

For the record, despire her simple compact basic form of storytelling,
very few book characters are as alive has Harry and the gang. Though,
Ender and Bean (and their gang) come very close. I do see the
characters in Eragon/Eldest very clearly, but not with the same
insight as Harry Potter. Then again, few books I've read, are as vivid
as Eragon/Eldest, and none as vivid as Harry and friends.

So, my measure of character development is the extent to which the
characters live in my mind. 

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn







From plungy116 at aol.com  Mon Sep 19 13:35:00 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:35:00 -0000
Subject: Nymphadora Tonks / Anna Friel
Message-ID: <dgmeq4+imgk@eGroups.com>

I've just been reading on Mugglenet that she would love to play the 
part.  I remember months ago we had a discussion about who could play 
her with ideas ranging from Alice the Verger (Vicar of Dibley) to 
Scarlet in four weddings (Who wouldn't be able to do it on account of 
being sadly no longer with us).  Anna Friel would be fab (although to 
some of us she will always be the lesbian who had an affair with the 
neighbour's nanny and murdered her abusive father, burying him under 
the patio, only to be discovered some time later by Sinbad the window 
cleaner) (and you thought American soaps were way over the top!)
Apart from the fact she is Mrs David Thewlis, which would come in 
handy when we get to the film version of HBP, she would actually 
quite easily become the image of Tonks (which, admittedly does change 
on a frequent basis).  I can really see her with bubblegum pink hair.
What do you guys think?
Sorry if I sound over-excited but I've been watching the trailer for 
GoF and I'm sooooo looking forward to it I can barely contain 
myself!  It looks like so much more money has been spent, the effects 
look brilliant and the acting improves with every installment (well, 
it had to didn't it?) But Mad-Eye has an Irish accent - is he Irish 
(in the books I mean, I know Brendan Gleeson is).  Not that I 
care ... I jusy can't wait.

Sarah (thoroughly excited and delirious, and possibly needs to cut 
down on the coffee and Dairy Milk and start working day shifts again!)






From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Mon Sep 19 15:28:05 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:28:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Paolini's "Eldest" SPOILERS
In-Reply-To: <dgl92j+k2tp@eGroups.com>
References: <dgl92j+k2tp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e801cce8eac6183b1e23dc796ea1d5fb@fandm.edu>

Alla:
> To be quite honest ( and please believe me when I say it ), even
> though I love LOTR very much, I find   the characters to be quite
> undeveloped  for the most part. ( Alla  runs and hides). I truly
> admire Tolkien genuis, the book sounds like music to me, but none of
> the characters ( except maybe Boromir) touched me as much as JKR
> characters do.

I agree with you 100%, Alla.  Tolkien was certainly a genius, but 
character development was never his strong suit -- or even something he 
was particularly interested in.

Alla:
> You know, it is funny. For some reason that did not bother me much.
> maybe because as Steve said I am used to Elves and Dwarves having
> similar qualities now throughout many books of this genre.
>
> I think that Tolkien influenced the genre so profundly that it is
> impossible to find the book which is not touched by it in one way or
> another. They key of course as you say to make it your own.

Joe:
> I think that most any fantasy story will be compared to or accused of
> borrowing from Lord of the Rings.

Oh, agreed.  Definitely.  Hell, Harry Potter has been lengthily accused 
of stealing from LOTR, and it's not even the same sub-genre.  IMHO, 
however, Paolini just didn't quite cut it in the make-it-your-own 
department, at least not in ERAGON.  *shrugs* Feel free to disagree 
with me, of course, and know that, despite my criticisms, I still 
greatly enjoy his work.

Laura (me):
>> It's kinda too bad, IMO, that he started so young.  Maybe if he were
>> older, he would have had the confidence and experience to be able to
>> write the Inheritance trilogy the way it *could* have been written.  
>> As
>> it is, I doubt he'll get another shot at writing an epic fantasy that
>> is popular with the masses.
>>

Alla:
> Why not? Maybe  his other book will be even more popular?

Well, it could certainly happen.  However, public acclaim to the extent 
he has with the Inheritance Trilogy is pretty rare -- it'd be kind of 
like lightning hitting twice.  Now, I'm not saying he won't be a solid, 
popular writer in the future, but for some reason I feel like ERAGON, 
et al. will be his crowning achievement.

Laura (me):
>> P.S. His vocabulary makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

Alla:
> Please forgive me, but could you explain why? I missed the joke. :-)

Oh, I didn't mean anything particular, really.  I just find big, 
obscure words sort of obscenely sexy.  Kind of like someone talking 
dirty in a public place. ^_~ It's a quirk.

Laura




From 12newmoons at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 13:19:05 2005
From: 12newmoons at gmail.com (kneazlecat54)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:19:05 -0000
Subject: HP for indie rockers!
Message-ID: <dgmds9+2e8f@eGroups.com>

Hi.  I haven't posted here since I rejoined the group (I used to 
belong under another name) but this was too good not to share.  Rock 
on!

ITunes has an indie rock mix about HP-and it's a darned good one, 
too!  Here's the playlist:

1. Hunted by a Freak            Mogwai
2. Secondhand                   weaklazyliar
3. Wrapped Up in Books          Belle & Sebastian
4. Chocolate                    Snow Patrol
5. I Came As a Rat              Modest Mouse
6. Umbrella                     Dntel
7. Crazy                        Rosie Thomas
8. Accident Prone               Jawbreaker
9. All These Vicious Dogs       Various Artists
10. This Place Is a Prison      The Postal Service
11. Candyland                   CocoRosie
12. Feed Me with Your Kiss      My Bloody Valentine
13. A Winner Needs a Wand       Sufjan Stevens
14. Separate the People         Mates of State
15. Number Twelve               Dear Nora
16. Tears Are In Your Eyes      Yo La Tengo
17. Sister                      Devendra Banhart
18. The Fake Headlines          The New Pornographers
19. Artificial Light            Rainer Maria
20. Cursed Mirror               Superchunk
21. Ghost                       Neutral Milk Hotel
22. The Woods                   Stars
23. Set Us Free                 J. Mascis & The Fog
24. Haunt Me                    Arab Strap
25. Passwords                   Q and not U

And here's the list of who or what the songs are associated with:
1. Harry
2.  Ron
3.  Hermione
4.  Remus
5.  Wormtail
6.  Hagrid
7.  Luna
8.  Neville
9.  Fluffy
10. Azkaban
11. Honeydukes
12. the dementors
13. Ollivander's
14. the Sorting Hat
15. Grimmauld Place
16. Cho
17. Ginny
18. The Quibbler
19. Lumos
20. the Mirror of Erised
21. Nearly Headless Nick
22. the Forbidden Forest
23. S.P.E.W.
24. Moaning Myrtle
25. the Fat Lady

Yeah, I think it's strange that nothing by the Weird Sisters is on
there, but really, do they need more publicity?

"kneazlecat54" 






From moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 16:28:40 2005
From: moonmyyst13 at yahoo.com (K G)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:28:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP for indie rockers!
In-Reply-To: <dgmds9+2e8f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050920162841.54478.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>




1. Hunted by a Freak            Mogwai
2. Secondhand                   weaklazyliar
3. Wrapped Up in Books          Belle & Sebastian
4. Chocolate                    Snow Patrol
5. I Came As a Rat              Modest Mouse
6. Umbrella                     Dntel
7. Crazy                        Rosie Thomas
8. Accident Prone               Jawbreaker
9. All These Vicious Dogs       Various Artists
10. This Place Is a Prison      The Postal Service
11. Candyland                   CocoRosie
12. Feed Me with Your Kiss      My Bloody Valentine
13. A Winner Needs a Wand       Sufjan Stevens
14. Separate the People         Mates of State
15. Number Twelve               Dear Nora
16. Tears Are In Your Eyes      Yo La Tengo
17. Sister                      Devendra Banhart
18. The Fake Headlines          The New Pornographers
19. Artificial Light            Rainer Maria
20. Cursed Mirror               Superchunk
21. Ghost                       Neutral Milk Hotel
22. The Woods                   Stars
23. Set Us Free                 J. Mascis & The Fog
24. Haunt Me                    Arab Strap
25. Passwords                   Q and not U

And here's the list of who or what the songs are associated with:
1. Harry
2.  Ron
3.  Hermione
4.  Remus
5.  Wormtail
6.  Hagrid
7.  Luna
8.  Neville
9.  Fluffy
10. Azkaban
11. Honeydukes
12. the dementors
13. Ollivander's
14. the Sorting Hat
15. Grimmauld Place
16. Cho
17. Ginny
18. The Quibbler
19. Lumos
20. the Mirror of Erised
21. Nearly Headless Nick
22. the Forbidden Forest
23. S.P.E.W.
24. Moaning Myrtle
25. the Fat Lady

Yeah, I think it's strange that nothing by the Weird Sisters is on
there, but really, do they need more publicity?

"kneazlecat54" 



 

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 20:12:21 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:12:21 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"
Message-ID: <dgpqf5+162d@eGroups.com>

I came across this article in the 'Telegraph', and am somewhat baffled
by it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/20/nteach20.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/20/ixhome.html

"Sharon Jenkins, 35, said that her son had been asked to stand up in
class and describe his hobbies, but when he had proved too bashful to
do so, his French teacher ridiculed him. "She told him, 'I don't like
nobodies. Go and top yourself'," Mrs Jenkins said."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Could someone explain to me "Go and top yourself"?

Personally, I would be more concerned by the teacher saying 'I don't
like nobodies'.

Steve/bboyminn





From spambox at olly86.co.uk  Tue Sep 20 20:54:15 2005
From: spambox at olly86.co.uk (olly)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:54:15 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"
In-Reply-To: <dgpqf5+162d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgpstn+rqib@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> "Sharon Jenkins, 35, said that her son had been asked to stand up in
> class and describe his hobbies, but when he had proved too bashful 
to
> do so, his French teacher ridiculed him. "She told him, 'I don't 
like
> nobodies. Go and top yourself'," Mrs Jenkins said."
> 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> 
> Could someone explain to me "Go and top yourself"?
> 
> Personally, I would be more concerned by the teacher saying 'I don't
> like nobodies'.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Basically it means to go and kill yourself.  So you can probably see 
why offence was taken.

Olly







From miss_megan at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 20 22:22:15 2005
From: miss_megan at bigpond.com (storm)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:22:15 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"
In-Reply-To: <dgpqf5+162d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <PPEOKMGBLEMHDCHHGOLPAEHLCPAA.miss_megan@bigpond.com>

In Australia to 'top yourself' is to kill yourself. Not what I would expect
a teacher to be encouraging.

cheers
storm

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Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2005 6:12 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"


I came across this article in the 'Telegraph', and am somewhat baffled
by it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/20/nteach20.xml
&sSheet=/news/2005/09/20/ixhome.html

"Sharon Jenkins, 35, said that her son had been asked to stand up in
class and describe his hobbies, but when he had proved too bashful to
do so, his French teacher ridiculed him. "She told him, 'I don't like
nobodies. Go and top yourself'," Mrs Jenkins said."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Could someone explain to me "Go and top yourself"?

Personally, I would be more concerned by the teacher saying 'I don't
like nobodies'.

Steve/bboyminn





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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 23:17:20 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:17:20 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"
In-Reply-To: <dgpstn+rqib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgq5a0+hvot@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "olly" <spambox at o...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at y...> wrote:
> > "...he had proved too bashful to do so, his French teacher 
> > ridiculed him. "She told him, 'I don't like nobodies. Go and top 
> > yourself',..."
> > 
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > 
> > Could someone explain to me "Go and top yourself"?
> > 
> > Personally, I would be more concerned by the teacher saying 'I
> > don't like nobodies'.
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn

 
> Basically it means to go and kill yourself.  So you can probably see 
> why offence was taken.
> 
> Olly

bboyminn:

GOOD LORD! I certainly can see why 'offense was taken'. What could
this teacher have been thinking? Was she in her own way sucking up to
the 'popular' kids? Was she so frustrated with her job that she had no
choice but to vent some hostility? 

More importantly what would she have done if this painfully shy kid
had DONE IT? 

Of course, we will never know for sure. I can't imagine a teacher
actually saying that. I'm stunned.

One of the sad things about school, and to some extent real life, is
that the kids who don't really need the attention and support are the
very kids who get it, while the ones who desperately need a kind word
are thrown on the ash heap of society. 

Thanks for the 'Brit Speak' help. Always greatly appreciated.

Steve/bboyminn





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 21 16:20:28 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Speak: "Top Yourself"
In-Reply-To: <dgpqf5+162d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050921162028.65162.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>

The article also states that a different teacher at the same school reduced a 12 year old boy to tears by calling him a 'fatso' apparently as means of disciplining the kid for some sort of disruption.
What a horrible place to learn.  Does anyone know the economy of the area?  Or the teen suicide rate?


Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
I came across this article in the 'Telegraph', and am somewhat baffled
by it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/20/nteach20.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/20/ixhome.html

"Sharon Jenkins, 35, said that her son had been asked to stand up in
class and describe his hobbies, but when he had proved too bashful to
do so, his French teacher ridiculed him. "She told him, 'I don't like
nobodies. Go and top yourself'," Mrs Jenkins said."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Could someone explain to me "Go and top yourself"?

Personally, I would be more concerned by the teacher saying 'I don't
like nobodies'.

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From lavaluvn at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 22 07:55:02 2005
From: lavaluvn at yahoo.com (Andromeda)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:55:02 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgcrea+2qon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgto0m+u3p1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> Have anybody finished the Eldest? I am curious to know what others 
> think.
> 
> If I were to sum up my impressions, I would say that I did enjoy hte 
> story - I had  a hard time putting the book down, but I would wish
> for 
> more in character development department.
> 
> To me, even Eragon does not have truly multifaceted personality.
> 
> JMO,
> 
> Alla.

Is it too late to chime in?  My husband and I were just discussing 
Eldest.  I enjoyed both of Paolini's books, but I have to admit 
the "borrowing" from other books is at times pretty blatant and the 
elves just plain made my eyes roll. It really made me appreciate the 
Harry Potter elves (so very different from the willowy, impossibly 
beautiful, powerful, singing, tree-hugging elves from Tolkein & co).  
But the dragons right out of Pern, the little girl "abomination" fresh 
from Dune, and Elfquest.... I used to love Elfquest!  Is it still 
around?  
  Anyway, I'd agree the character development is a little thin... 
maybe Eragon sounds a little too much like he's a teenager writing his 
own story?  But I have to admit I bought the book right after it came 
out and read it quickly and did enjoy it.  NOthing against the nice 
young man who wrote it, whatever his schooling.  May he keep writing 
and improving as a writer!

Cheers,
Andromeda






From maliksthong at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 22 13:10:20 2005
From: maliksthong at yahoo.com (Chys Lattes)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:10:20 -0000
Subject: Nymphadora Tonks / Anna Friel
In-Reply-To: <dgmeq4+imgk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dguafs+jm6u@eGroups.com>

The only thing I don't like about the movie 4 is Mad eye. He just 
doesn't LOOK right!

*sigh*

Tonks needs to look good as anything. ^_^

Chys





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 22 13:48:08 2005
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 06:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF movie trailer
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Message-ID: <20050922134808.54693.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think they did an okay job with Moody.  What I didn't like was the
depiction of Sirius' head in the fire.  Did anyone see that?  It was just
some sort of 3-D image rising out of the embers.  That doesn't jive with
my vision of what the book describes at all.  I think of the 'head in the
fire' thing as being just that...a severed head sitting in the flames. 
What the movie has done is kinda creepy.

MJ


--- Chys Lattes <maliksthong at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The only thing I don't like about the movie 4 is Mad eye. He just 
> doesn't LOOK right!
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Tonks needs to look good as anything. ^_^
> 
> Chys
> 
>

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From bumbledore at comcast.net  Thu Sep 22 16:33:29 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:33:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF movie trailer
References: <20050922134808.54693.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c5bf93$60869e60$ff4dac43@cauldron1>

Yeah, I saw that too, and wondered about it..but considering how much they
changed in POA, and the fact that they had to cut out so much of GOF, I
figured that little bit is not worth nit-picking.. I for one, hope the GOF
puts the magic back into the movies, as I thought POA was an insult, and a
discusting peice of garbage that should never have been allowed on the
silver screen. They should have re-done it.



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To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF movie trailer


> I think they did an okay job with Moody.  What I didn't like was the
> depiction of Sirius' head in the fire.  Did anyone see that?  It was just
> some sort of 3-D image rising out of the embers.  That doesn't jive with
> my vision of what the book describes at all.  I think of the 'head in the
> fire' thing as being just that...a severed head sitting in the flames.
> What the movie has done is kinda creepy.
>
> MJ
>
>
> --- Chys Lattes <maliksthong at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The only thing I don't like about the movie 4 is Mad eye. He just
> > doesn't LOOK right!
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > Tonks needs to look good as anything. ^_^
> >
> > Chys
> >
> >
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 22 21:34:13 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:13 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgto0m+u3p1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgv80l+lc54@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Andromeda" <lavaluvn at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Is it too late to chime in?  My husband and I were just discussing 
> Eldest.  I enjoyed both of Paolini's books, but I have to admit 
> the "borrowing" from other books is at times pretty blatant and the 
> elves just plain made my eyes roll. It really made me appreciate 
the 
> Harry Potter elves (so very different from the willowy, impossibly 
> beautiful, powerful, singing, tree-hugging elves from Tolkein & 
co).  

Alla:

It is never too late to chime in. :-)

Actually it is a very good point about extra-appreciation to have for 
Harry Potter elves, although they also creatures of folklore, no?

The creatures similar to them are just called differently ( and I 
forgot the word in English, sigh...)



> But the dragons right out of Pern, the little girl "abomination" 
fresh 
> from Dune, and Elfquest.... I used to love Elfquest!  Is it still 
> around?  


Alla:

I never read Dune, so   the little girl " abomination" I found to be 
an original plot device ( or is it character device).

Guess not...


>   Anyway, I'd agree the character development is a little thin... 
> maybe Eragon sounds a little too much like he's a teenager writing 
his 
> own story?  But I have to admit I bought the book right after it 
came 
> out and read it quickly and did enjoy it.  NOthing against the nice 
> young man who wrote it, whatever his schooling.  May he keep 
writing 
> and improving as a writer!
> 
> Cheers,
> Andromeda


Alla:

Absolutely, he is a very good writer, I think he has lot of potential 
and despite  the criticism, I found  the story to be great.

Alla.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 22 22:39:21 2005
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:39:21 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgv80l+lc54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgvbqp+pgv2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Andromeda" <lavaluvn at y...> 
> wrote:
> ...edited...
> 
> > Anyway, I'd agree the character development is a little thin... 
> > maybe Eragon sounds a little too much like he's a teenager writing
> > his own story? ...  NOthing against the nice young man who wrote 
> it, whatever his schooling.  May he keep writing and improving as a 
> writer!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Andromeda
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Absolutely, he is a very good writer, I think he has lot of
> potential and despite  the criticism, I found  the story to be 
> great.
> 
> Alla.


bboyminn:

Let's make a distinction between a great writer and a great story
teller. Many a great writer has crafted dull uninteresting stories
that are none the less techincally correct, and many great
storytellers have crafted techincally poor books. Many have critisized
JKR's writing as being simplistic and derivative, but you can't deny
that she tells a great story. The same is true of Paolini, while you
can certainly critisize his writing from a techincal perspective, I
find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't find his stories exciting
and captivating. 

Of course, there are those who rate Hemmingway as a self-indulgent
overrated hack, while others praise him as a great master. Oh so many
praise Tolkien as a master of both story and technique, but I found
his writing impossibly dull, slow, and tedious. I couldn't finish Lord
of the Rings to save my soul. So, while there will never be a
consensus on any author, or story for that matter, I still say
Eragon/Eldest is a tremendous story and a tremendous accomplishment
for a writer so young. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to
endure his craft acrosss the span of a lifetime, but you must admit,
he's off to a great start.

As I said in other posts, I measure character development by how much
and how well the characters came to life for me, not by the detail to
which I am priviledge to their thoughts and feelings. I have to say
every character in Paolini's books truly lives in my mind, each is
distinct and speaks with a unique voice and has a unique personality. 

To another point raised in other forums, I did predict the Murtagh
storyline as did many, but despite the accuracy of my predictions, I
was still stunned and awed when it played out on the page, and also
felt very mixed, deep, and complex emotions around the issue of
Murtagh. I also liked the way the two separate stories of Roran and
Eragon converge and set the stage for the next book.

So, in short, I liked it. 

Just a few more thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn






From omphale at onetel.com  Thu Sep 22 22:53:27 2005
From: omphale at onetel.com (saraquel_omphale)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:53:27 -0000
Subject: Trashing the films Was Re: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5bf93$60869e60$ff4dac43@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <dgvcl7+meds@eGroups.com>

Bumbledore wrote:
>I for one, hope the GOF
> puts the magic back into the movies, as I thought POA was an 
insult, and a
> discusting peice of garbage that should never have been allowed on 
the
> silver screen. They should have re-done it.
> 

Saraquel:
Woa Bumbledore - if we're trashing the films then it's PS and CoS 
that got me.  At least with PoA they ditched the vomit making 
sentimentality of the first two films.  Was I glad they changed the 
director.  I thought PoA was a much better film and more true to the 
spirit of the books, which in the end, IMO is all a film adaptation 
can hope to be.

The first two films were completely ruined for me by the totally 
unnecessary, completely unconvincing reaction shots.  It took PoA to 
show me that Daniel Radcliffe can act at all.  Once I'd seen it I 
went back to the first two movies and realised that when he was 
allowed to act, he didn't do too badly (although I've never thought 
he was great in the part).  I realised it was the direction that was 
at fault - Radcliffe was forced to smile sickeningly into the 
camera, or put on a puzzled look, so often that if you cut them out 
you'd reduce the length of the film by half.

And don't start me on the final scene in CoS - I need a bucket by me 
every time I watch it! 

Saraquel
Who has only seen the trailer once, but was impressed and excited by 
it, although I see that it's been hotted up a bit - did Harry ever 
have a merperson's spear at his throat in the book?







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 23 01:47:08 2005
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:47:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Trashing the films Was Re: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <dgvcl7+meds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050923014708.31680.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>

bumbledore wrote:
>I for one, hope the GOF puts the magic back into the movies, as I thought POA was an insult, and a discusting peice of garbage that should never have been allowed on the silver screen. They should have re-done it.
> 

Saraquel called bs:
Woa Bumbledore - if we're trashing the films then it's PS and CoS 
that got me.  At least with PoA they ditched the vomit making 
sentimentality of the first two films.  Was I glad they changed the 
director.  I thought PoA was a much better film and more true to the spirit of the books, which in the end, IMO is all a film adaptation 
can hope to be.

The first two films were completely ruined for me by the totally 
unnecessary, completely unconvincing reaction shots.  It took PoA to show me that Daniel Radcliffe can act at all.  Once I'd seen it I 
went back to the first two movies and realised that when he was 
allowed to act, he didn't do too badly (although I've never thought 
he was great in the part).  I realised it was the direction that was at fault - Radcliffe was forced to smile sickeningly into the 
camera, or put on a puzzled look, so often that if you cut them out 
you'd reduce the length of the film by half.

 

Kemper now:

CHEERS!!! Saraquel, cheers!  You couldn't be more right... except thinking that Radcliffe can act (the scene in the snow after he discovers, wrongly, Sirius killed his folks: I'm embarassed for his acting coach) But we all have our quirks.  Though you're dead on with him being (in)appropriately cast.

 

I watch the trailer almost every day.  It looks way cool and true to the spirit of the story.  So should be a good adaption.

 

Kemper

 




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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Sep 23 02:59:43 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:59:43 -0000
Subject: Trashing the films Was Re: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <20050923014708.31680.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dgvr2v+3sbt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at y...> wrote:
> bumbledore wrote:
> >I for one, hope the GOF puts the magic back into the movies,

How about if we keep the magic on the printed page and let the movie 
moguls do what they will with their Inferius-like adaptations?

>as I thought POA was an insult, and a discusting peice of garbage that 
>should never have been allowed on the silver screen. They should have 
>re-done it.

My feeling is that none of the books should have been cinematically 
rendered at least until all seven books were completed. I also feel an 
animated version - which would have given the story line a greater 
prominence than the SPFX - would have been vastly preferable.

  - CMC (who has not seen Movies One Two and Three, and who will not 
see Movies Four Five Six and Seven)






From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 23 08:12:14 2005
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:12:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Trashing the films
Message-ID: <20050923081215.69732.qmail@web51914.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Just wanted to note that I replied to CMC's comments from 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28932
at the movie group, since it belongs there more:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/11337

Petra
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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Fri Sep 23 16:18:18 2005
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:18:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgvbqp+pgv2@eGroups.com>
References: <dgvbqp+pgv2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f79fb1ef286487358b201a46822bd166@fandm.edu>

Steve:
> Let's make a distinction between a great writer and a great story
> teller. Many a great writer has crafted dull uninteresting stories
> that are none the less techincally correct, and many great
> storytellers have crafted techincally poor books. Many have critisized
> JKR's writing as being simplistic and derivative, but you can't deny
> that she tells a great story. The same is true of Paolini, while you
> can certainly critisize his writing from a techincal perspective, I
> find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't find his stories exciting
> and captivating.

Captivating, certainly.  At least in the sense that I couldn't put it 
down -- but I can say the same thing about Dan Brown, and I wouldn't 
dream of accusing him of greatness.

> Of course, there are those who rate Hemmingway as a self-indulgent
> overrated hack, while others praise him as a great master.

Oh, he's a smug bastard, all right. ^_~

> Oh so many
> praise Tolkien as a master of both story and technique, but I found
> his writing impossibly dull, slow, and tedious. I couldn't finish Lord
> of the Rings to save my soul.

Agreed (although I did, eventually, finish it).  Tolkien's battle 
scenes are incredibly breath-taking and moving, but when his characters 
are trekking for days on end through the wilderness . . .  Well, you 
feel just like you're trekking for days on end through the wilderness 
-- after awhile, the amazing scenery just isn't enough to keep the 
hours from getting a bit dull.

> So, while there will never be a
> consensus on any author, or story for that matter, I still say
> Eragon/Eldest is a tremendous story and a tremendous accomplishment
> for a writer so young. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to
> endure his craft acrosss the span of a lifetime, but you must admit,
> he's off to a great start.

Agreed again.  Excellent start.  And I still can't figure out how a 
15-year-old mustered up the attention span to finish a novel.  I 
*still* haven't got that kind of commitment.

> As I said in other posts, I measure character development by how much
> and how well the characters came to life for me, not by the detail to
> which I am priviledge to their thoughts and feelings. I have to say
> every character in Paolini's books truly lives in my mind, each is
> distinct and speaks with a unique voice and has a unique personality.

Hmm.  Well . . . I'm not disagreeing, per se, but I'd definitely say 
that there's room for improvement.  With someone like Dan Brown, what 
you see is what you get, you know?  But I feel like Paolini has the 
potential to do better (and that potential is evident in the way he 
writes, which *why* I am sometimes disappointed in him).  Indeed, he 
has already improved so much from ERAGON to ELDEST that if he keeps it 
up at this rate, he'll be Shakespeare by the time he's forty-two.

> To another point raised in other forums, I did predict the Murtagh
> storyline as did many, but despite the accuracy of my predictions, I
> was still stunned and awed when it played out on the page, and also
> felt very mixed, deep, and complex emotions around the issue of
> Murtagh.

Heh heh.  Now, this is one of the things that was infinitely improved 
upon in ELDEST, but in ERAGON -- my God, it was like Paolini painted 
all his plot twists blue, dressed them in drag, and sent them screaming 
the Lord's Prayer across the pages.  The kid just did not posses a 
*lick* of subtlety.

> I also liked the way the two separate stories of Roran and
> Eragon converge and set the stage for the next book.

I *loved* the Roran sub-plot.  His transition from unassuming farmer to 
grim, powerful leader was flawless.  Now, I *like* Eragon better as a 
person, but I think Roran is the better developed character.

By the way, I never suggested that character development has anything 
to do with how many details about the character we are told.  (Although 
I disagree that JKR does not give details --we may not explicitly know 
Draco's hair color, but we *do* know that he is exceedingly pale and 
pointy and that he flushes easily. ^_~  JKR loves her adjectives almost 
as much as her adverbs.)  As with all aspects of good writing, the idea 
is to *show*, not tell.  So while Paolini might *tell* us something 
about a character, I feel like he does not always *prove* it.

Just IMHO.

Laura




From bdrcol22 at aol.com  Fri Sep 23 12:44:13 2005
From: bdrcol22 at aol.com (bdrcol22 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:44:13 EDT
Subject: GoF movie trailer
Message-ID: <d.4d15e0ce.3065529d@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/23/2005 6:42:46 AM Central Standard Time, 
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
Yeah, I saw that too, and wondered about it..but considering how much they
changed in POA, and the fact that they had to cut out so much of GOF, I
figured that little bit is not worth nit-picking.. I for one, hope the GOF
puts the magic back into the movies, as I thought POA was an insult, and a
discusting peice of garbage that should never have been allowed on the
silver screen. They should have re-done it.

Gotta respectfully disagree.  I felt that the third movie finally got the 
feel of what it was really like to be at Hogwarts.  The first two movies make me 
feel like I am in Disneyland.  The green of the grass, blue skies almost all 
the time.  That is one thing that JKR uses a lot of in her writing, is the 
imagery of the weather to set the mode.  And finally the third movie got it.  Of 
course, MHO.

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From plungy116 at aol.com  Sat Sep 24 12:57:27 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:57:27 -0000
Subject: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <d.4d15e0ce.3065529d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dh3ifn+b77u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, bdrcol22 at a... wrote:

<<<I felt that the third movie finally got the feel of what it was 
really like to be at Hogwarts.  The first two movies make me feel 
like I am in Disneyland.  The green of the grass, blue skies almost 
all the time.  That is one thing that JKR uses a lot of in her 
writing, is the imagery of the weather to set the mode.>>>  

Initially I was disappointed with PoA because there were so many 
things missed out - but now I have to view the books and films as 
completely different entities - you couldn't possibly convey every 
nuance and subplot in a film - it would take far too long.  Now the 
mani thing that annoys me is the extra 'e' in Moony on the Marauder's 
Map; and really that's nit-picking isn't it?  

The first two films are very sweet but initially that's what the 
books are like ... until Harry actually gets down to where Quirrell 
(and Voldemort on the back of his head) are, it's not in the least 
bit scary.  It's an adventure story with a sense of humour and three 
eleven year olds - the dark past and sadness is only mentioned in a 
way an eleven year old can comprehend it.  (I don't want you to think 
I'm belittling Harry's horrendous upbringing, but he doesn't realise 
how horrendous it is until he sees what he's been missing; it's only 
as he has matured and learnt more that he's become more bitter about 
it.)

It's only as the series progresses that the themes become a bit 
darker and needing a higher level of maturity to deal with them and 
as harry grows up and matures he can cope with more adult themes - I 
think the films have reflected this so far.  Film 1 was an enjoyable 
film to take an 10 year old to, film 2 probably the same, but film 3 
would certainly need a childless viewing first and 4 has already been 
deemed unsuitable by the censors.  It will be good - I can feel it in 
my water (as my Grandma used to say!)

GoF is very much a learning episode for Harry, a turning point into 
much darker areas and from what I've seen of the trailer I think the 
film seems to get this across - not least because of the PG-13 rating!

Well, I went on rather longer than I anticipated then, sorry,

Sarah xx





From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Sat Sep 24 13:02:31 2005
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Brenda)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:02:31 -0000
Subject: Morbid Ironies
Message-ID: <dh3ip7+ohae@eGroups.com>

I've been thinking about how certain evil characters might meet the 
most fitting ends to their nasty lives. For example:

I think LV in the midst of torturing Harry, knowing his young 
nemesis is on the brink of death, will throw back his snakelike face 
and repeat that cold inhuman laugh, surrounded by his supporters the 
deatheaters, giants, werewolves, and dementors. LV's joy will be too 
much for the dementors to handle and they will swoop forward and 
suck out what remains of his soul. 

Now Wormtail must also get his just desserts, so I'm thinking the 
most fitting end for him would be with Ron and Hermione hot on his 
trail after he kills Percy, Wormtail changes to his rat form to 
escape and is pounced on and eaten by Crookshanks.

The Malfoys instead of meeting their ends will have to accept that 
their only child is no longer a pureblood and will be humbled. They 
will also lose their wealth and be forced to purchase the burrow 
from the Weasleys who have moved into 12 Grimmauld place after Harry 
sells it too them for a galleon.

Now I still don't believe Snape is evil, so I can't justify an end 
for him yet, but if you believe he has to go I'd like to hear what 
would be his most fitting end.

Umbridge must also go, but other than being trampled by centaurs I 
have not thought of an end to her nastiness either. Maybe a stint in 
St. Mungo's insanity ward? Feel free to add your thoughts.





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 13:07:26 2005
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:07:26 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <dh3ifn+b77u@eGroups.com>
References: <dh3ifn+b77u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1127567249.36511DB7@dk11.dngr.org>


On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 9:02 am, Sarah wrote:
> Now the mani thing that annoys me is the extra 'e' in Moony on the 
> Marauder's
> Map; and really that's nit-picking isn't it?
>
>

It's also something they've tried to fix on the dvd. Things like that, 
and the tombstone in GoF with the name and date errors, are created by 
the art direction team and the producers and directors don't necessarily 
see every aspect with the detailed eyes that we do. If you have the PoA 
dvd, you'll see that in the menu, it's been fixed to remove the "e", and 
we also know that they're fixing the tombstones in time for the release 
of GoF to theaters.

In other words, they do care and they do try.




From dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 24 15:44:06 2005
From: dudemom_2000 at yahoo.com (dudemom_2000)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:44:06 -0000
Subject: Paolini's "Eldest"
In-Reply-To: <dgvbqp+pgv2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh3s86+daj8@eGroups.com>

Message 28929 --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<bboyminn at y...> wrote:
>Big Snip< 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Let's make a distinction between a great writer and a great story
> teller. Many a great writer has crafted dull uninteresting stories
> that are none the less techincally correct, and many great
> storytellers have crafted techincally poor books. Many have 
critisized JKR's writing as being simplistic and derivative, but you 
can't deny that she tells a great story. The same is true of 
Paolini, while you can certainly critisize his writing from a 
techincal perspective, I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't 
find his stories exciting and captivating. 
> 
> Of course, there are those who rate Hemmingway as a self-indulgent
> overrated hack, while others praise him as a great master. Oh so 
many praise Tolkien as a master of both story and technique, but I 
found his writing impossibly dull, slow, and tedious. I couldn't 
finish Lord of the Rings to save my soul. So, while there will never 
be a consensus on any author, or story for that matter, I still say
> Eragon/Eldest is a tremendous story and a tremendous accomplishment
> for a writer so young. Only time will tell if he has what it takes 
to endure his craft acrosss the span of a lifetime, but you must 
admit, he's off to a great start.
> 
> As I said in other posts, I measure character development by how 
much and how well the characters came to life for me, not by the 
detail to which I am priviledge to their thoughts and feelings. I 
have to say every character in Paolini's books truly lives in my 
mind, each is distinct and speaks with a unique voice and has a 
unique personality. 
> 
Snip<
> So, in short, I liked it. 
> 
> Just a few more thoughts.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

*****\(@@)/*****

Like art, writing is subjective - you either like and respond to it 
or you don't.... You can see Christopher Paolini has put a lot of 
thought into his characters and they are very much alive for him in 
the way that JKR's characters are alive for her. You can also tell 
he enjoys his story very much and I enjoy seeing that in his story 
telling. Yes, he is very young and I can see his storytelling 
growing as he matures. One can be critical of the technicalities of 
his writing but the bottom line is: if you liked it, you liked it 
and that is what ultimately counts. Sometimes I get a sense of sour 
grapes in some of the criticisms. Let's face it, Christopher Paolini 
was one of the lucky ones who was able to get his book out there and 
get the interest. I am sure there are many other wonderful writers 
who will never get published or get the recoginition. Stardom is the 
same way. Not everyone gets to be a star as talented as they might 
be. Sometime it is the luck of the draw and sometimes it is who you 
know. I for one am glad Christopher Paolini figured out how to get 
his story out there and hope for more! It is also my understanding 
they are going to try to make a movie. It will be interesting to see 
what comes of that. 

Dudemom_2000

*****\(@@)/*****





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Sep 24 19:45:52 2005
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:45:52 -0000
Subject: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5bf93$60869e60$ff4dac43@cauldron1>
Message-ID: <dh4adg+ab5r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledore" <bumbledore at c...> 
wrote:
> Yeah, I saw that too, and wondered about it..but considering how much 
they
> changed in POA, and the fact that they had to cut out so much of GOF, 
I
> figured that little bit is not worth nit-picking.. I for one, hope 
the GOF
> puts the magic back into the movies, as I thought POA was an insult, 
and a
> discusting peice of garbage that should never have been allowed on the
> silver screen. They should have re-done it.

Geoff:

It's interesting to see the widely differing reactions to the films; it 
parallels the wide swathe of interpretations on the main list. 
Personally, I like the first two films - it was seeing COS at the end 
of 2002 that lured me into this Internet lunatic asylum in the first 
place :-)

However, I think that POA was the best I have seen so far. I also like 
Daniel Radcliffe; I saw him before the HP saga began when he played 
theyoung David Copperfield in a BBC1 adaptation round about 1999.

I hope that CMC will enjoy movie Zero when it is released. :-)





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 01:15:26 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:15:26 -0000
Subject: No Rowling entry in New DNB?
Message-ID: <dh4tne+aho8@eGroups.com>

Since I'm a contributor, I received an e-mail message informing me
that the New Dictionary of National Biography is celebrating its first
anniversary with free online access for three days (down to about one
and a half, now, sorry!). For anyone who doesn't know, the New DNB is
a *huge* project. The book version consists of several hundred
encyclopedia-sized volumes containing biographical articles on
everyone who's ever been important in British history, literature and
culture, from, say, King Canute to J.R.R. Tolkien. I was surprised and
disappointed that the richest woman in England isn't included. Maybe
she's considered a children's author and unimportant? But that can't
be the reason: A[lan] A[lexander] Milne is there, with a sweet photo
of Milne, the real Christopher Robin, and (the actual teddy bear)
Winnie the Pooh.

If anyone wants to check out the entries for their favorite British
authors or historical figures (John of Gaunt for the House of Gaunt
connection, if any?), the URL for the home page is

http://www.oxforddnb.com

You have to register giving your naem and e-mail address (mine didn't
work--the message may have been caught in my spam filter because of
the word "free" in the e-mail. I had to use my Yahoo address, which
worked fine.) If you have a strong or picky spam filter, be sure to
add free-oxforddnb @ oup.com (minus spaces) to your list of approved
senders.

On the off chance that anyone wants to look up my three articles (all
three men were friends of the English Romantic poet Percy Bysshe
Shelley), they're Thomas Jefferson Hogg, Thomas Medwin, and Edward
Ellerker Williams. (I can hear everyone who reads this far saying< "Who?")

The free access ends tomorrow (Sunday Sept. 25, probably at midnight
UK time) but you can e-mail links to articles you like to yourself or
friends (links will be good for five days). You can also print or
e-mail the article itself (no photos or other images--text only) while
the free access lasts.

Again, sorry I didn't post sooner, but I couldn't access the site and
thought others might have the same trouble. Still disappointed that
JKR wasn't considered important enough to include. I hope they at
least keep her on the chocolate frog cards. Oops. That's Dumbledore.

Carol

P.S. A year's subscription costs $295 ($142 for contributors; the
entire set costs over $13,000. (Contributors can get it for around
$10,000. I'm sorely tempted. Yeah, right. But if your local or
university library doesn't have it, they should.) C.







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 01:29:52 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:29:52 -0000
Subject: GoF movie trailer
In-Reply-To: <dh4adg+ab5r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh4uig+gut6@eGroups.com>

Geoff wrote:
> 
> It's interesting to see the widely differing reactions to the films; it 
> parallels the wide swathe of interpretations on the main list. 
> Personally, I like the first two films - it was seeing COS at the end 
> of 2002 that lured me into this Internet lunatic asylum in the first 
> place :-)
> 
> However, I think that POA was the best I have seen so far. I also like 
> Daniel Radcliffe; I saw him before the HP saga began when he played 
> theyoung David Copperfield in a BBC1 adaptation round about 1999.
> 
> I hope that CMC will enjoy movie Zero when it is released. :-)

Carol responds:
I liked the PoA film, too, especially the "Something Wicked This Way
Comes" choral performance, uncanonical or not, since it was well done
and provided an interesting link to Macbeth. They left out too much
(how, for example, did Lupin know the piece of parchment was a map?)
and there were continuity errors (Lupin sees Harry's Dementor!Boggart,
yet later claims that he thought the Boggart would be Voldemort), but
it was at least as faithful to the original as the LOTR films. (No, I
won't go off on that tangent.) Didn't like the Muggle clothes (Draco
Malfoy dressed like a Muggle?) or the shrunken head, though.

GoF looks somewhat better. They appear to be keeping as much as they
can (please, please keep the midnight confrontation between Snape and
Crouch!Moody and Snape's "If you are ready. . . If you are prepared"
scene!). They still have the Muggle clothes, apparently, and I didn't
like Sirius in the fire (Is he saying something about devils in the
walls?). It didn't bother me that the Beauxbatons students were all
girls, but Fleur should be more stunningly beautiful. And MadEye Moody
doesn't look the way I pictured him. (Couldn't they give him a false
eye using CGI without the strap?)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the film, but it needs more Snape. He's
not even included in the photos at the bottom of the poster!

Carol 





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 25 06:02:06 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 25 Sep 2005 06:02:06 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1127628126.15.5018.m29@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 25, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From plungy116 at aol.com  Sun Sep 25 13:43:04 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:43:04 -0000
Subject: John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
In-Reply-To: <dh4tne+aho8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh69h8+s1vm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

John of Gaunt for the House of Gaunt connection, if any

John of Gaunt's father, Edward III was my great(x20) grandad.  (My 
other interest apart from Harry Potter is my family genealogy).  Does 
this mean that by any twist of the imagination I am the heir of 
Slytherin?

No, thought not! 

If you're interested in my family tree (I find it interesting anyway) 
you can look at

http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690
 
enjoy!
Sarah xx






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 15:53:14 2005
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:53:14 -0000
Subject: No Rowling entry in New DNB?
In-Reply-To: <dh4tne+aho8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh6h5a+hfhs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:
> Again, sorry I didn't post sooner, but I couldn't access the site and
> thought others might have the same trouble. Still disappointed that
> JKR wasn't considered important enough to include. I hope they at
> least keep her on the chocolate frog cards. Oops. That's Dumbledore.
> 
> Carol
>

Alla:

LOL! Thank you, Carol. I registered and printed biography of King's 
Arthur and Jane Austen.

As to why JKR is not included. I think it is because the search 
criteria says that no living people are included, period.

I am pretty sure they do consider her important enough. :-)






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Sep 25 17:02:04 2005
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 25 Sep 2005 17:02:04 -0000
Subject: Reminder - Weekly Chat 
Message-ID: <1127667724.33.7694.m27@yahoogroups.com>


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Weekly Chat 

Date: Sunday, September 25, 2005 
Time: 1:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) 

Hi, everyone!

Just a reminder: 

Drop in to Sunday chat! 

Start time:
11 am Pacific
12 pm Mountain
1 pm Central
2 pm Eastern 
7 pm UK time 

Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long
as people want it to last.  Since Yahoo has closed all
user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on
the main list:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Hope to see you there! 

 





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 21:22:04 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:22:04 -0000
Subject: John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
In-Reply-To: <dh69h8+s1vm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh74ds+lods@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah" <plungy116 at a...> wrote:
> 
> John of Gaunt's father, Edward III was my great(x20) grandad.  (My 
> other interest apart from Harry Potter is my family genealogy).  Does 
> this mean that by any twist of the imagination I am the heir of 
> Slytherin?
> 
> No, thought not! 
> 
> If you're interested in my family tree (I find it interesting anyway) 
> you can look at
> 
> http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690
>  
> enjoy!
> Sarah xx


Very interesting, only I think your reference to "the reviled Richard
III" is a bit strong. (Granted, he beheaded William Hastings, but
there's evidence that Hastings was involved in a plot to murder
Richard, who was not yet king.) But since the rest of your site (as
much as I read of it) seems objective, that reference jumped out at
me. (I recommend Paul Murray Kendall's "Richard the Third" for more
information on both men.)

Maybe I was looking in the wrong places but I couldn't tell which of
Edward III's many children the Hastings are descended from. (There's
no evidence that I know of that Edward IV was illegitimate other than
a claim ostensibly made by an overenthusiastic Richard III supporter,
but some solid evidence that his children were since Edward was
officially betrothed to Eleanor Butler when he married Elizabeth
Woodville. None of which would have made the Hastings heirs to the
throne; it only made Richard III or his nephew Edward, son of George
Duke of Clarence  (whose claim had been set aside by Edward IV because
of Clarence's treason) the rightful heir. Still, I'd back the Hastings
over the Tudors any day. (Talk about kings who *ought* to be reviled!
Between them, Henry VII and VIII managed to kill off most of the
remaining Yorkist heirs.)

Carol

P.S. Did you look up John of Gaunt et al. on the Oxford DNB site (link
upthread)? There's still time if you hurry.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 25 21:41:00 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:41:00 -0000
Subject: No Rowling entry in New DNB?
In-Reply-To: <dh6h5a+hfhs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh75hc+cei0@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > Again, sorry I didn't post sooner, but I couldn't access the site
and thought others might have the same trouble. Still disappointed
that> JKR wasn't considered important enough to include. I hope they
at least keep her on the chocolate frog cards. Oops. That's Dumbledore.
> > 
> > Carol
> >
> 
> Alla:
> 
> LOL! Thank you, Carol. I registered and printed biography of King's 
> Arthur and Jane Austen.
> 
> As to why JKR is not included. I think it is because the search 
> criteria says that no living people are included, period.
> 
> I am pretty sure they do consider her important enough. :-)


Carol again:
You must be right. I didn't see any mention of that search limitation,
but it may be that the entire DNB has that restriction. I tried
Elizabeth II and Margaret Thatcher as test cases and neither was listed.

BTW, the entire many-volume set can probably be found in most
university libraries (and certainly in the Bodleian Library since the
DNB was published by Oxford University Press).

Carol





From bumbledore at comcast.net  Mon Sep 26 00:43:05 2005
From: bumbledore at comcast.net (bumbledore)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:43:05 -0400
Subject: Does any one know if
Message-ID: <002a01c5c233$42924510$ff4dac43@cauldron1>

Does anyone know if the program, "warner bros alerts" which featured a little owl, is still in operation? I got it, and tried running it.. I can't seem to get the HP skin that was available for it.. 

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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Sep 26 01:45:52 2005
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:45:52 -0000
Subject: No Rowling entry in New DNB?
In-Reply-To: <dh4tne+aho8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh7jsg+ctvg@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28941 :

<< On the off chance that anyone wants to look up my three articles
(all three men were friends of the English Romantic poet Percy Bysshe
Shelley), they're Thomas Jefferson Hogg, Thomas Medwin, and Edward
Ellerker Williams. (I can hear everyone who reads this far saying
"Who?") >>

Was Thomas Jefferson Hogg an American? There was a somebody Hogg who
was a Governor of Texas whose fame is that he named his daughter Ima
after a poem (by Tennyson IIRC).






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 26 04:02:47 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:02:47 -0000
Subject: No Rowling entry in New DNB?
In-Reply-To: <dh7jsg+ctvg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh7rt7+jboo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince
Winston)" <catlady at w...> wrote:
> Carol wrote in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/28941 :
> 
> << On the off chance that anyone wants to look up my three articles
> (all three men were friends of the English Romantic poet Percy Bysshe
> Shelley), they're Thomas Jefferson Hogg, Thomas Medwin, and Edward
> Ellerker Williams. (I can hear everyone who reads this far saying
> "Who?") >>
> 
> Was Thomas Jefferson Hogg an American? There was a somebody Hogg who
> was a Governor of Texas whose fame is that he named his daughter Ima
> after a poem (by Tennyson IIRC).


Carol responds:
No, T. J. Hogg was English. Thomas and Jefferson were both family
names. He was born in 1792 (like Shelley), but his family were staunch
conservatives and would never have named their son after an American
Patriot (not what they would have called him) who was at that time
Washington's secretary of state.

Hogg's claims to fame are, first, that he was expelled with Shelley
from Oxford when they were both eighteen for "contumaciously
refulsing" to divulge the author of a provocatively titled little
philosophical pamphlet called "The Necessity of Atheism" that Shelley
had written (with some help from Hogg) and placed conspicuously in
some bookshop windows (not quite sure how he managed that) and second,
his so-called "Life of Percy Bysshe Shelley," which I argued in my
doctoral dissertation was deliberately distorted and in some cases
provably false (altered documents for which the original is extant,
altered names, etc.). Since Shelley was charming, popular with women,
and famous (or notorious) when he drowned at 29 in the Bay of Lerici,
I'm pretty sure that Hogg (who had a large hooked nose and was (as an
older man) as porky as his name suggests, I think it's highly probable
that Hogg was jealous. He ended up "marrying" a woman named Jane
Williams, the last of Shelley's loves (I'm pretty sure it was a
Platonic relationship as they were both married and all four were
living in the same house.) Or rather, Jane was living with her
common-law husband, the Edward Ellerker Williams of one of my other
articles. Her real husband had deserted her and she couldn't remarry
because she didn't know if he was alive or dead. So Hogg, emulating
Shelley (who had eloped to Scotland with a sixteen-year-old when he
was barely nineteen, then eloped to Italy with another
sixteen-year-old when he was twenty-one and then invited his wife to
"come live with us and be our sister"), "married" Jane Williams after
Edward Williams drowned with Shelley in 1822. Hogg, who was in England
and didn't take part in any of these Italian adventures, lived to a
ripe old age and became a barrister (lawyer). Shelley became a legend.

Carol, hoping this isn't more than you wanted to know





From seuferer at netins.net  Mon Sep 26 06:27:08 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:27:08 -0000
Subject: Update of Lost Souls Found
Message-ID: <dh84bs+2kto@eGroups.com>

Now at Occlumency:

Lost Souls 
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3326

MWPP era. Alternate Universe to Half-blood Prince. Lupin and Snape 
in their early childhood and later school years, as seen through the 
eyes of a Ravenclaw student (OFC) as she develops a fascination for 
our favorite Slytherin. Rated S for some oblique reference to war 
and Death Eater violence.

Seven chapters, complete.  Sycophant Hex `S' rating is generally 
equivalent to the formerly known as `PG' rating.

Lost Souls Found  
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3381

Severus Snape/OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. Voldemort is out in 
the open. Severus Snape is actively involved in Death Eater 
activities because of his role as spy for the Order of the Phoenix. 
A researcher from the Ministry for Magic offers to aid and assist 
Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potions master, whom she 
knew slightly from school. Rated L for romantic/sexual content in 
later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings with the 
horrors of a Magical War. Overall a romance, but war is gruesome.

Chapter 17 posted today:  Slytherin Ways

Wherein Severus is surprised to find he is not the only one who can 
be sneaky and manipulative.

This story is 57 chapters and an epilogue.  Sycophant Hex rating 
of `L' is generally equivalent to the rating formerly known as `NC-
17'.  There is far too much plot for those who like PWP.

It is complete, but is not posted in its entirety at Occlumency yet, 
as it is going through its final beta-revisions, edits and 
verifications.  This has been a nearly two-year long WIP.  If you 
have read and enjoyed the story at other archives, I encourage you 
to consider re-reading it here.  It has been thoroughly Brit-picked, 
grammar-mechanics polished, and I have repaired minor consistency 
errors, as well as more effectively explained and filled `plot 
holes'.  

Because of the length of the story, it might be a more 
manageable `read' to handle in smaller doses, and my 
edit/polish/verification rate for my chapters seems to be about two 
to three chapters a week.  The story is complete, the edit/beta 
process is on-going, and I have three very thorough and speedy betas?
any remaining errors are mine.  You do not need to fear that this 
story will be `abandoned' before being posted to its completion.

I adore reviews of all sorts, including criticisms so don't be shy!

I hope you enjoy,

Shanti
http://www.hauntedchambers.net/
Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Role Playing Game run by adults






From QueenJennifer1 at msn.com  Mon Sep 26 16:34:40 2005
From: QueenJennifer1 at msn.com (Jennifer Thomassian)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:34:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
References: <dh69h8+s1vm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV14E65033923ABE8A0CE62D898B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Sarah,

 I saw your entry and I got so excited that I ran to my genealogy books and found him!  I knew I was related to John of Gaunt and also to all of 'the Edwards'!!!!  I kept going through and found TONS of Hastings!  I have a Sir John Hastings with the same birth date and place as your Sir John, but mine is listed as being married to an Isabella Spencer (or Despencer).  There is a small #2 next to her name and I am assuming that she must be a second wife.  Sir John Hastings father was Hugh Hastings and John and Isabella's son was also named Hugh.  I see that you have also mentioned the Fitz Alan line on your site and didn't have time to look at it in depth (5 kids) yet, but I have a lot of info on that line too as they are also my ancestors.  it is ironic that there are so many people in our history that fought the Scots, as I am almost half Scottish!  We have A LOT of royalty on my Dad's side and it really does bring history to life, doesn't it?  I am in the process of entering my family history on my computer and it is taking some time but I love it.  Maybe we can compare some notes if you like.  

Talk soon,

Jennifer Thomassian  (nee Isom)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sarah<mailto:plungy116 at aol.com> 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:43 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>, "justcarol67" 
  <justcarol67 at y<mailto:justcarol67 at y>...> wrote:

  John of Gaunt for the House of Gaunt connection, if any

  John of Gaunt's father, Edward III was my great(x20) grandad.  (My 
  other interest apart from Harry Potter is my family genealogy).  Does 
  this mean that by any twist of the imagination I am the heir of 
  Slytherin?

  No, thought not! 

  If you're interested in my family tree (I find it interesting anyway) 
  you can look at

  http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690<http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690>

  enjoy!
  Sarah xx





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From QueenJennifer1 at msn.com  Mon Sep 26 16:38:03 2005
From: QueenJennifer1 at msn.com (Jennifer Thomassian)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:38:03 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
References: <dh69h8+s1vm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV10C8134F21E0170EDE9067898B0@phx.gbl>

Sarah,

All of the Plantagenet's are in my family too!

Jennifer Thomassian
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sarah<mailto:plungy116 at aol.com> 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:43 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)


  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>, "justcarol67" 
  <justcarol67 at y<mailto:justcarol67 at y>...> wrote:

  John of Gaunt for the House of Gaunt connection, if any

  John of Gaunt's father, Edward III was my great(x20) grandad.  (My 
  other interest apart from Harry Potter is my family genealogy).  Does 
  this mean that by any twist of the imagination I am the heir of 
  Slytherin?

  No, thought not! 

  If you're interested in my family tree (I find it interesting anyway) 
  you can look at

  http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690<http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plungy&rand=38690>

  enjoy!
  Sarah xx





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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Mon Sep 26 23:21:31 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:21:31 -0000
Subject: John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
In-Reply-To: <dh74ds+lods@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh9vpr+ih1q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at y...> wrote:

> Very interesting, only I think your reference to "the reviled Richard
> III" is a bit strong. (Granted, he beheaded William Hastings, but
> there's evidence that Hastings was involved in a plot to murder
> Richard, who was not yet king.) But since the rest of your site (as
> much as I read of it) seems objective, that reference jumped out at
> me. (I recommend Paul Murray Kendall's "Richard the Third" for more
> information on both men.)

There's also the Richard III Society, dedicated to clearing the name of 
this oft-misrepresented (and decidedly non-hunchbacked) monarch.

http://www.richardiii.net/begin.htm

   - CMC





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Sep 27 04:51:46 2005
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:51:46 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter and The Tom-Swift Prince
Message-ID: <dhaj52+mj02@eGroups.com>

"Sir, I wondered what you knew about Horcruxes," asked Tom Riddle 
soulfully.

"Horcruxes are evil due to the effect they have on your soul," said 
Slughorn rippingly.

"I've already destroyed one of the Horcrux," said Dumbledore 
ringingly.

"And I've destroyed one as well," said Harry bookishly.

"Look what Voldemort put on my arm," said Draco markedly.

"Buckbeak is now known under a pseudonym," said Hagrid witheringly.

"I revere creatures such as Aragog," said Slughorn venomously.

"I'm here, Dumbledore, to ask about a teaching post at Hogwarts," 
said Voldemort defensively.

"How is Voldemort guarding this cavern?" asked Harry lifelessly.

"Where did you learn about the Sectumsempra?," asked Snape cuttingly.

"Bezoars are the universal antidote," said Harry brayingly.

"Tonks' Patronus has changed its form," said Harry wolfishly.


   - CMC






From plungy116 at aol.com  Tue Sep 27 10:40:29 2005
From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:40:29 -0000
Subject: John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV14E65033923ABE8A0CE62D898B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <dhb7it+m9sb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Thomassian" 
<QueenJennifer1 at m...> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
> 
>  I saw your entry and I got so excited that I ran to my genealogy 
books and found him!  I knew I was related to John of Gaunt and also to 
all of 'the Edwards'!!!!  
We have A LOT of royalty on my Dad's side and it really does bring 
history to life, doesn't it?  I am in the process of entering my family 
history on my computer and it is taking some time but I love it.  Maybe 
we can compare some notes if you like.  
> 
> Talk soon,
> 
> Jennifer Thomassian  (nee Isom)

Absolutely, e-mail me privately and we can see where we branch off.
Sarah xx





From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Tue Sep 27 18:16:11 2005
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:16:11 EDT
Subject: sortingh at song for book 7
Message-ID: <fd.1ce8eb7a.306ae66b@aol.com>


Hello everyone ! I decided to write a sorting hat song for book 7.

The times that come are dangerous
each family filled with woe
if any should have the slightest doubt
trust in the sorting hat  , for I know.

For the one who defines Gryffindor
who is brave with a heart so true
has set upon a perilous quest
for the future of all of you.

My song this year is no warning , 
but my heart's greatest desire
the four houses must unite
or under Voldemort , you'll surly expire.

Gryffindor with all your courage , 
it is now the time to prove you are brave
seek  the truth and stand up for what is right
or you'll find yourself an early grave.

Dear Ravenclaws , so cunning
so sharp with intellect
it is time to spread your knowledge
it is time to help and protect.

Hufflepuffs with golden hearts
and loyalty unmatched
join with your fellow schoolmates
so the dark lord won't stand a chance.

To the Slytherins , whose hearts seek only for themselves
it is time to use your cunning ways
to benefit someone else
for if you decide to stand alone
and offer help to none
you will find yourselves without a helping hand
and your lives will be as good as done.

I mean not to frighten you
but make you all alert
join together in this frightening time
unless with death you wish to flirt.

Do not shun one out
for quarrels in the past
instead open your hearts
to make friendships at last.

We only have one hope
to vanquish the Dark Lord
and chaos in the castle
is something we can't afford.

Hurry now , and heed my words
before you chance has passed
I can see the terrors that will come otherwise
for I am the sorting hat.




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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Sep 28 02:48:39 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:48:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] sortingh at song for book 7
In-Reply-To: <fd.1ce8eb7a.306ae66b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0INI007KHAH2WF20@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

[Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com wrote]:

Dear Ravenclaws , so cunning
so sharp with intellect
it is time to spread your knowledge
it is time to help and protect.

[Lee]:
Hmm--I'd leave cunning in the slytherin park; perhaps substitute "clever"
for Ravenclaw. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who's working on an old machine whilst I await the resurrection of mine
from its state of ill.)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 28 06:03:06 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:03:06 -0000
Subject: John of Gaunt (was No Rowling entry ...)
In-Reply-To: <dh9vpr+ih1q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhdbmq+9tcu@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > Very interesting, only I think your reference to "the reviled
Richard III" is a bit strong. (Granted, he beheaded William Hastings,
but there's evidence that Hastings was involved in a plot to murder
Richard, who was not yet king.) But since the rest of your site (as
much as I read of it) seems objective, that reference jumped out at
me. (I recommend Paul Murray Kendall's "Richard the Third" for more
information on both men.)
> 
CMC responded:

> There's also the Richard III Society, dedicated to clearing the name
of this oft-misrepresented (and decidedly non-hunchbacked) monarch.
> 
> http://www.richardiii.net/begin.htm
> 
>    - CMC


Carol responds:
Yes, I know. I'd renew my membership in the RIII Society if my
finances were a little less constrained. Loyaultie Me Lie!

Carol





From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 28 20:21:04 2005
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:21:04 -0000
Subject: There really is a giant squid
Message-ID: <dhetvg+b3q1@eGroups.com>

The first giant squid to ever be captured on camera:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_sc/japan_giant_squid;_ylt=Alh
Yz2wFoe4a5.iCoN2_HU.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Phyllis





From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 30 01:52:35 2005
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:52:35 -0000
Subject: no internet for a week
Message-ID: <dhi5p3+iput@eGroups.com>

Has anyone ever been offline for a week? OMG Iwas going crazy, I moved
last thursday, and I didn't get my cable, phone and internet til
today! I'm so glad I have them now... I missed them ;)





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 30 02:17:03 2005
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:17:03 -0000
Subject: There really is a giant squid
In-Reply-To: <dhetvg+b3q1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhi76v+707o@eGroups.com>

Phyllis wrote:
> The first giant squid to ever be captured on camera:
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_sc/japan_giant_squid;_ylt=Alh
Yz2wFoe4a5.iCoN2_HU.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
> 
> Phyllis

Thanks. Here's another link that might work better:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_sc/japan_giant_squid

Anybody have any thoughts on the role if any that the giant squid will
play in Book 7? He seems pretty benign.

BTW, you can get a long URL to link by unchecking "Wrap message text"
(which I did for this post).

Carol





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Sep 30 02:30:54 2005
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:30:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] no internet for a week
In-Reply-To: <dhi5p3+iput@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001201c5c566$fbc190f0$65a4a8c0@rosie>

[jlnbtr wrote]:
| Has anyone ever been offline for a week? OMG I was going crazy, I moved
| last thursday, and I didn't get my cable, phone and internet til
| today! I'm so glad I have them now... I missed them ;)

[Lee]:
<Grin> Been there, done that, perhaps not under the same circumstances but,
yeah! And when I came back, I had something like a thousand messages waiting
for me at home and close to two-thousand at work! <Cringe!>

My personal computer has been out from Sunday until yesterday, having it's
fan and HD replaced, so guess what I was doing all afternoon and evening
yesterday... Yuppers, re-installing every blessed program I had and trying
to get it all perfectly working the way I like it.  Almost there...just a
couple more programs to install.  But I'm tired; been at this, like I say,
since yesterday afternoon, and part of today.  Took a shopping and picnic
break this evening and will finish the last of the installs tomorrow.

Glad you're back, and hope all is working most perfectly for you. :-)

Peace,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 30 17:10:12 2005
From: scrapsandstitches at hotmail.com (rdprice29)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:10:12 -0000
Subject: Next Author Chat: BillHagridsson Tomorrow! on Saturday, October 1 at 8:00 PM EST
Message-ID: <dhjrhk+49is@eGroups.com>

WizardTales is thrilled to announce...

Our next Author chat is being hosted by a very special person. He has
been dubbed the "King of Fluff" on the Wizardtales chatroom.  

Yes, I am talking about none other than BillHagridsson!!!

Bill is a writer that excels at writing fluff and romance. But romance
is not quite the right word
no, he writes about Love.  Especially love
between our favorite hero, Harry Potter and his lady, Ginny Weasley.

He writes about the various aspects of love ? Friendship,
companionship, sacrifice, putting the needs of your loved one above
your own. When reading his fics one can feel the essence of what love
really is about.

This sort of writing can only come from someone who knows what it's
all about. Someone with the maturity and talent to show us through his
words how beautiful love really is.

But that is not all
 No, the most endearing quality of his writing is
how he seamlessly blends humor with romance. At the end of each of his
fics you will be left with a warm glow inside you and wishing for just
a little bit more.

Join us at the Wizardtales Chatroom (www.wizardtales.net/chat) to talk
to this wonderful author and to try and learn his writing secrets.

The chat is to be hosted on Saturday, 1st October, 8:00 pm EST.

The Chat dates and times (and all time zone translations) are:

    * Saturday, October 1, at 8:00 pm EST :
    * This translates to 7:00 pm CST, 6:00 pm MST and 5:00 pm PST in
the US; 01:00 am on Sunday, October 2 in London; 02:00 am Sunday in
Berlin; 05:00 am Sunday in India and 10:00 am Sunday in Sydney.


Registration for the chat room is quick and easy.  Check out Bill's
work at http://www.wizardtales.net/viewuser.php?uid=265.

Hope to see you there!





From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Sep 30 19:04:09 2005
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:04:09 -0000
Subject: Update of Lost Souls Found at Occlumency
Message-ID: <dhk279+stjs@eGroups.com>

Lost Souls Found  
http://occlumency.sycophanthex.com/viewstory.php?sid=3381

I have recently added a LiveJournal entry with various pictures and 
avatars, which coincide with my personal mental images of the 
characters in the story.  If you are a person who likes to have a 
firmer image of the characters in your mind as you read, I encourage 
you to have a look.  Anyone may view my Journal, though only 
registered users may post in it to prevent unwanted `trolls'.  Some 
of the images are fanart links where I credit the artist thoroughly 
and completely, while the OC images are `model' head-shots from 
various random internet sites.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/weasleyfan/17180.html

Severus Snape/OFC, Romance/drama, hurt/comfort. Voldemort is out in 
the open. Severus Snape is actively involved in Death Eater 
activities because of his role as spy for the Order of the Phoenix. 
A researcher from the Ministry for Magic offers to aid and assist 
Dumbledore and is reacquainted with our Potions master, whom she 
knew slightly from school. Rated L (NC-17) for romantic/sexual 
content in later chapters as well as some graphic/mature dealings 
with the horrors of a Magical War. Overall a romance, but war is 
gruesome.  Way too much plot for those who like PWP.

Chapter 19 posted, Chapter 20 is in the queue.

It is complete, but is not posted in its entirety at Occlumency yet, 
as it is going through its final beta-revisions, edits and 
verifications.  This has been a nearly two-year long WIP.  If you 
have read and enjoyed the story at other archives, I encourage you 
to consider re-reading it here.  It has been thoroughly Brit-picked, 
grammar-mechanics polished, and I have repaired minor consistency 
errors, as well as more effectively explained and filled `plot 
holes'.  

Because of the length of the story, it might be a more 
manageable `read' to handle in smaller doses, and my 
edit/polish/verification rate for my chapters seems to be about two 
to three chapters a week.  You do not need to fear that this story 
will be `abandoned' before being posted to its completion.

I adore reviews of all sorts, including criticisms so don't be shy!

I hope you enjoy,

Shanti
http://www.hauntedchambers.net/
Haunted Chambers, a Harry Potter Role Playing Game run by adults