From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  1 00:34:21 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:34:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry's birthday
In-Reply-To: <1154368199.1168A32E@dj11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20060801003421.80496.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Did I miss it, or has Jo not wished Harry a happy birthday on her site? 


Isn't that a bad omen?


MJ

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From agdisney at msn.com  Tue Aug  1 01:09:16 2006
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:09:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry's birthday
References: <20060801003421.80496.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV9E4D794A826462194DE85CF5D0@phx.gbl>

Jo hasn't wished anyone a happy birthday as far as I can tell.
When I click on the calendar, my screen locks up & no names    
appear

  Andie

   
  Did I miss it, or has Jo not wished Harry a happy birthday on her site? 

  Isn't that a bad omen?

  MJ

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From bridge13219 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  1 13:15:54 2006
From: bridge13219 at yahoo.com (bridge13219)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:15:54 -0000
Subject: Harry's birthday
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV9E4D794A826462194DE85CF5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <eank6a+e3tg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Andrea Grevera" 
<agdisney at ...> wrote:
>
> Jo hasn't wished anyone a happy birthday as far as I can tell.
> When I click on the calendar, my screen locks up & no names    
> appear
> 
>   Andie

Bridge13219:
When I checked yesterday she had wished Harry a Happy Birthday. Maybe 
her site was having problems with heavy traffic since the 31st of July 
is both her and Harry's birthdays.







From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  1 14:13:28 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewijck)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry's birthday
In-Reply-To: <20060801003421.80496.qmail@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060801141328.31468.qmail@web53214.mail.yahoo.com>

I think you missed it. I checked her site yesterday evening before I went to bed and it was there, she wished Harry Happy birthday. 
  So, I guess you don't have to worry about it being a bad omen, Harry will live, Harry wil live :-) .
   
  maria8162001
  

Marita Jan <maritajan at yahoo.com> wrote:
          Did I miss it, or has Jo not wished Harry a happy birthday on her site? 

Isn't that a bad omen?

MJ

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From kkersey at swbell.net  Tue Aug  1 14:47:30 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:47:30 -0000
Subject: Harry's birthday
In-Reply-To: <20060801141328.31468.qmail@web53214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eanpi2+334g@eGroups.com>

I'm wondering if the Birthday wish was only showing up while it was 31
July in Britain - I checked late Sunday evening, while it was still 30
July here in Texas, but the date had already rolled in Britain - the
Brithday Wish was there. It was gone when I checked late yesterday
evening, even though it was still 31 July here. The other time
indicators on the web site (clock, day/night scene in the window) were
in sync with my local time though.

I too had problems when trying to look at the new Wizard of the Month
last night...

Elisabet






From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Thu Aug  3 02:42:36 2006
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Luckdragon)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:42:36 -0000
Subject: Helena Bonham Carter is Bellatrix
Message-ID: <earnqs+4jcs@eGroups.com>

Luckdragon:
Just saw it confirmed on entertainment news. I think she's perfect for 
the role.







From phil at pcsgames.net  Thu Aug  3 10:58:47 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:58:47 -0400
Subject: the title of book seven
References: <ea86la+6rec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009301c6b6eb$d275e7b0$6600a8c0@phil>

JKR changed the title of book seven while in the shower before coming out for the event last night.
She said it will be,
Harry Potter and Oh, that would
be better, wouldn't it?




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From swartell at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  4 03:11:38 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: McAfee is NOT my friend
Message-ID: <20060804031138.57321.qmail@web53212.mail.yahoo.com>

If you have McAfee antivirus software, and you are
offered an opportunity to upgrade, do not take it.  If
you have to buy antivirus software now or in the near
future, avoid McAfee products with Virusscan 11.

I don't usually rant about things like this, but I'm
thoroughly fed up.  I've spent about 12 hours over the
past 3 evenings, first trying to get the package to
install (or to uninstall - even system restore
wouldn't get me a functional antivirus program back!),
and then trying to get my Outlook email account
(needed for work) to function.  I managed the first
after 2 wasted evenings, but still haven't gotten a
solution for the email problem.  There is a thread on
the email support page for McAfee, begun Aug. 1, about
32 reports of problems with email (mostly, you can't
send any messages.)  Several of the comments also say
that Internet Explorer doesn't work with it. 
(Fortunately, I use a Mozilla browser.)

Sue, fuming, in Columbus (where the heatwave has eased
up, so at least I'm only fuming and not melting at the
same time)



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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Aug  4 04:28:16 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:28:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] McAfee is NOT my friend
In-Reply-To: <20060804031138.57321.qmail@web53212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001201c6b77e$68b56b00$65a4a8c0@rosie>

Poor Sue!

Well, I always discourage people from getting either McAfee or Norton
because both or tricky, both are resource-heavy, both are a pain in the
royal but!

Frisk Software is the way to go, as far as I'm concerned.  F-Prot has been
my friend, buddy, guardian and savior more times than I can count.  It's not
overly expensive, doesn't over-extend your machine and slow it to a crawl,
has a real-time protection and just works quietly and efficiently.

I gave up McAfee because it proved to be getting inaccessible for those of
us with screen-readers and had turned, for a time, to ETrust.  At first, I
thought this was really great, then Computer Associates bought it, it became
inaccessible, it let through some of the worst Bagel and My Doom viruses
which cause me to have to restore both my machine and Art's brand new one
three times in one month!  I switched back to F-Prot,which had been my
friend in my DOS days, and have not had a problem in four years.  It caught
several things, killed them, kept me and Art safe.

I think it's something like $30 US and worth a lot more for the peace of
mind and lack of system crawl.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Still heat-oppressed in NJ even after a short bouth of rain.)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From wuff at internode.on.net  Fri Aug  4 04:57:55 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:57:55 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] McAfee is NOT my friend
In-Reply-To: <20060804031138.57321.qmail@web53212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060804031138.57321.qmail@web53212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44D2D3D3.6070402@internode.on.net>

Just get AVG free, it's as good as anything else.

www.grisoft.com

although I think the free version is on it's own page.

Wolfie!



From niuserre at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 14:22:47 2006
From: niuserre at gmail.com (Hayley Marsden)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:22:47 -0000
Subject: McAfee is NOT my friend
In-Reply-To: <44D2D3D3.6070402@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <eavl7n+7uii@eGroups.com>

I'll second AVG Free, we've used it for ages on my partner's laptop
with no problems. ClamAV is excellent if you're on a Unix system.

Hayley

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>
> Just get AVG free, it's as good as anything else.
> 
> www.grisoft.com
> 
> although I think the free version is on it's own page.
> 
> Wolfie!
>









From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  6 23:12:30 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:12:30 -0000
Subject: Dan Radcliffe - Earnings and other Things.
Message-ID: <eb5t0u+4dni@eGroups.com>

I know some people find this a very touch subject, but Dan Radcliffe
is a corporation of sorts, or at least his money is funneled through a
corporation, and that means they have to make periodic public
statements of earnings. 

Here are two links that have more details-

ITV-
http://www.itv.com/news/entertainment_ef37ef7e815e43429a8767391c6eb4b6.html

The Sun-
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006360128,00.html

A quick read of these articles will show you that what they are saying
is a little inconsistent. There seems to be some confusion about how
much money Dan has in his Corporation and how much he earned.

The basics are -

Last year he seems to have earned -

?6,000,000 (US$11,500,000 approx.)

Next year, or at least for his next movie, he will earn an estimated-

?8,000,000 (US$15,200,000 approx.)

His corporation currently has roughly ?7,000,000 in assets (half cash,
half investments) or about US$13,300,000 (approx.).

That is all good and well, I have no problem with what he earns, it
seems a fair share considering how much money these films are almost
guaranteed to make. I just hope the salaries of the other principle
characters (Rupert, Emma, Tom) are keeping pace as well.

The part the bothers me is that his money is in a corporation named
'Gilmore Jacobs'. The corporation has 1,000 shares, all of which
appear to be owned by Dan's parents. While they own the shares, they
claim '...that the firm's riches belong to Daniel'.

Dan's parents seem very level headed and trustworthy, and they further
seem talented and experienced enough to earn very substantial livings
without relying on Dan's money. That is unlike most child star who
basically have deadbeat or working class parents. But they wouldn't be
the first well meaning parents to invest their income-producing
children into bankruptcy. Many, many child stars have come of age only
to find that they basically have nothing; the money is just gone.

I trust Dan's parents to try and do the right thing, but rather than
investing in high risk investments like '...another company Almada
Productions, which develops film industry projects and scripts...', I
think they would be much wiser to invest in an assortment of proven
mutual funds. However, I admit I don't know anything about this
particular company; it may be a great investment, and may turn out to
be a great resource for Dan.

Still, the uneasiness is mine and I have to own it; not reall fair to
project my feelings on to them. I think Dan's parents are intelligent,
talented, well-meaning people who want to do what is right for Dan,
but that doesn't mean they are the wisest people when it comes to
investing.

I don't want to start a big argument about the quality of Dan's
parents or the wisdom of his/their choices. They all seem to be
proceeding wisely in general. To some extent this is their private
business and their private choice, and certainly none of my business.
I just have to trust them.

But still I can't help worrying. I don't want to see all Dan's work
and trust to go down the drain, and have him end up like so many child
stars. 

I confess that I worry about all the young principle actors and
whether their money is being guarded wisely. I have the same concern
for them that I have for Dan, that they are not betrayed by
well-meaning but poor management.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 03:10:34 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:10:34 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
Message-ID: <eb6ava+b27f@eGroups.com>

Well, I promised I will post it and here I am ;)

Now,the brief disclaimer - I respect everybody's right to critique 
JKR's books ( and certainly do it myself if I am not happy with what 
she wrote), I respect everybody's right to critique JKR's public 
person, but it is also my right to call the critique as not worthy 
of any respect and this one certainly IMO fits the description.

Couple of weeks ago I stopped by the russian bookstore to find 
another book for myself to read and for my little niece to tear 
apart ( at 16 months she is in that stage now :)).

So, what do I see in the children's book section? The book 
called "AntiHarry Potter" by russian authors Pyotr Obrastsov and 
Sasha Barteneva.

At first I thought that this is another parody of the books and 
since the ones I looked at previously were not quite funny, I was 
about to pass the book up, but nevertheless picked it up.

Oh, my. I actually bought it, since it appeared that authors were 
quite serious.


Sooooo, do you guys know what **are** the real **hidden messages** 
in Harry Potter books?

( John Granger? Nah, not even close)

Basically, Harry Potter books are nothing more than the tool in the 
hands of the Order of Malta to gain the world domination, to make 
every kid in the world to love Harry Potter and when they grow up to 
become the followers of the Order and thus let the Order to have not 
just souvereinity, but also the territory.

For those who have not heard about the Order of Malta, here is the 
link to their official site.


http://www.orderofmalta.org/missione.asp?idlingua=5

I certainly do not claim to have in depth knowledge of their 
activities, but their site does not look to me as mission written by 
crazy people.


So, the leaders of the Order came up with all of that, they of 
course created the publicity for the books and of course there is no 
Joanne Rowling, it is just a nickname for the group of writers ( 
Hee, does this one ring a bell for anybody?), because nobody 
actually saw her ( I guess recently at the reading in New York we 
were all dellusional, snort).


Aaaaaaa, I just want to scream, very loudly.

I wonder how much vodka those writers drank before coming up with 
this book?

Oh, the best one is that they were actually **happy** that HP books 
were not translated well in Russia, because that would means that 
russian children's souls cannot be fully taken by those bad people.

Alla rolls her eyes and thanks for the possibility to share the 
stupidity.







From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Aug  7 03:11:51 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:11:51 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan Radcliffe - Earnings and other Things.
In-Reply-To: <eb5t0u+4dni@eGroups.com>
References: <eb5t0u+4dni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <44D6AF77.1050707@internode.on.net>

I honestly don't care how much he earns,
I mean, good on the kid.

He might end up typecast and never act again at all.

It's nice to see someone doing well.

I wish the same for all my friends.

Wolfie!



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 03:23:25 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:23:25 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6ava+b27f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6bnd+48dc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> Oh, my. I actually bought it, since it appeared that authors were 
> quite serious.
 
> Sooooo, do you guys know what **are** the real **hidden messages** 
> in Harry Potter books?
> 
> ( John Granger? Nah, not even close)
> 
> Basically, Harry Potter books are nothing more than the tool in 
the  hands of the Order of Malta to gain the world domination, to 
make every kid in the world to love Harry Potter and when they grow 
up to  become the followers of the Order and thus let the Order to 
have not just souvereinity, but also the territory.
> 
> For those who have not heard about the Order of Malta, here is the 
> link to their official site.
 
> http://www.orderofmalta.org/missione.asp?idlingua=5
> 

Tonks:
Yes, I know of the (Order of Malta) AKA: Knights of Malta or Knights 
Templar. Here is another link that tells you about them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Malta

I doubt very much that they have anything to do with the HP books. 
That book that you got must be a spoof of some sort. It is just a 
joke.

Tonks_op







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 03:29:53 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:29:53 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6bnd+48dc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6c3h+db8p@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:
> Yes, I know of the (Order of Malta) AKA: Knights of Malta or Knights 
> Templar. Here is another link that tells you about them.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Malta
> 
> I doubt very much that they have anything to do with the HP books. 
> That book that you got must be a spoof of some sort. It is just a 
> joke.


Alla:

Erm, yeah, I doubt very much they have anything to do with HP books. 
But no, does not look like a joke to me, just  look at the theories we 
come up with on Main.

They also look for .... messages, which may not be there IMO.






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 03:35:17 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:35:17 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6c3h+db8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6cdl+ddv5@eGroups.com>

> > Tonks:
> > Yes, I know of the (Order of Malta) AKA: Knights of Malta or 
Knights 
> > Templar. Here is another link that tells you about them.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Malta
> > 
> > I doubt very much that they have anything to do with the HP 
books. 
> > That book that you got must be a spoof of some sort. It is just 
a 
> > joke.
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Erm, yeah, I doubt very much they have anything to do with HP 
books. 
> But no, does not look like a joke to me, just  look at the 
theories we 
> come up with on Main.
> 
> They also look for .... messages, which may not be there IMO.
>


Alla:

Sorry for replying to myself, just want to clarify - did not mean to 
sound dismissive about out theories, just wanted to compare that 
those authors also analyse canon ( Ugh), and come with those things, 
you know?

My point is that if this is a joke, is a very well done one, I 
usually recognise spoofs, looked at several of them ( parodies)






From ceridwennight at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  7 03:38:59 2006
From: ceridwennight at hotmail.com (Ceridwen)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:38:59 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6ava+b27f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6ckj+snd6@eGroups.com>

Alla:
> Well, I promised I will post it and here I am ;)
*(snip)*
Basically, Harry Potter books are nothing more than the tool in the 
hands of the Order of Malta to gain the world domination, to make  
every kid in the world to love Harry Potter and when they grow up to  
become the followers of the Order and thus let the Order to have not  
just souvereinity, but also the territory.
*(snip)*
So, the leaders of the Order came up with all of that, they of  
course created the publicity for the books and of course there is no  
Joanne Rowling, it is just a nickname for the group of writers (Hee, 
does this one ring a bell for anybody?), because nobody  actually saw 
her ( I guess recently at the reading in New York we were all 
dellusional, snort).

Ceridwen:
Okay, this is how it goes:
The 'JKR' people see at interviews, book signings, television shows 
etc., is really a Fem-Bot.  At some point in her interview, her bra 
opens and an invisible but powerful gas is released into the audience 
which works on the subconscious mind, forcing people to support the 
Order of Malta in assisting the poor and taking over the world 
(obviously, assisting the poor gets the poor on their side too, like 
in ancient Greece).

The only thing that can happen now is that Austin Powers (must keep 
it *somewhat* British) will fight Harry Potter to keep Consortium!JKR 
from taking over the world.  Alan Rickman will inherit a hairless cat 
from Ralph Finnes, who will eventually implode because he has no nose.

Ceridwen.






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 03:49:36 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:49:36 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6cdl+ddv5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6d8g+8hji@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> > But no, does not look like a joke to me, just  look at the 
> theories we come up with on Main.
> > 
> > They also look for .... messages, which may not be there IMO.
> >

Tonks again:
Here is another link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07477a.htm

Is the book in Russian? I wonder, maybe they do see things in the 
books.. you know we all do. There are so many symbols there.  But 
not to worry, even if they do have a branch in Scotland, they are 
not taking over the world. (course I could be a spy. ;-)

You might be interested to know that this site (See next link) says 
that the Knights Templar are a secret society that the Vadican says 
does not exist. So this can be fuel for all sorts of ideas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

On the surface it seems that these are 2 different orders, but they 
are the same. The Templars were the military group and the 
Hospitalers became the modern day Knights of Malta. I have seen a 
document.. in fact I have it packed away somewhere... that was given 
to a monk friend of mind that makes him a member of the Knights of 
Malta.

Tonks_op







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 04:08:44 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:08:44 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6d8g+8hji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6ecc+3gf5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> <dumbledore11214@> wrote:
> >
> > > But no, does not look like a joke to me, just  look at the 
> > theories we come up with on Main.
> > > 
> > > They also look for .... messages, which may not be there IMO.
> > >
> 
> Tonks again:
> Here is another link:
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07477a.htm
> 
> Is the book in Russian? I wonder, maybe they do see things in the 
> books.. you know we all do. There are so many symbols there.  But 
> not to worry, even if they do have a branch in Scotland, they are 
> not taking over the world. (course I could be a spy. ;-)
> 
> You might be interested to know that this site (See next link) 
says 
> that the Knights Templar are a secret society that the Vadican 
says 
> does not exist. So this can be fuel for all sorts of ideas...
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
> 
> On the surface it seems that these are 2 different orders, but 
they 
> are the same. The Templars were the military group and the 
> Hospitalers became the modern day Knights of Malta. I have seen a 
> document.. in fact I have it packed away somewhere... that was 
given 
> to a monk friend of mind that makes him a member of the Knights of 
> Malta.
> 
> Tonks_op
>

Alla:

Thanks for the links, yes the book is in Russian and I am not sure 
if I am keeping it after I am done with it.

Yes, we all look for the things in the books, these writers looking 
for the things though translates into completely dismissing the 
literary work ( no matter what one thinks of JKR talent in general, 
it IS a literary work, right?) and transforming it into hidden 
manifesto of  Malta Knights, in their quest for the world 
domination, subtly hypnotising kids subconscious, so to speak. You 
know?

It feels that they hate the books, REALLY hate them.







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  7 04:34:27 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:34:27 -0000
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6ecc+3gf5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb6fsj+kk27@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, we all look for the things in the books, these writers looking 
> for the things though translates into completely dismissing the 
> literary work ( no matter what one thinks of JKR talent in general, 
> it IS a literary work, right?) and transforming it into hidden 
> manifesto of  Malta Knights, in their quest for the world 
> domination, subtly hypnotising kids subconscious, so to speak. You 
> know?
> 
> It feels that they hate the books, REALLY hate them.

Tonks:
I was looking around the internet just now.. There is a link that says 
that The Knights founded Scotland.. so secretly JKR is one and she does 
have all of this hidden stuff in there... so...  ;-)  Better just sign 
up now. There are worse things to be.  A DE for one.

Tonks_op
going to sleep now.  By the way Alla, were you at Lumos? Next time we 
should have a "Room of Requirement" and have a meeting of the HPFGU's.








From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Aug  7 04:56:01 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:56:01 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing
 "AntiHarry Potter" book
In-Reply-To: <eb6ava+b27f@eGroups.com>
References: <eb6ava+b27f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <44D6C7E1.7080303@internode.on.net>

Damnit, our evil plot is foiled!

Wolfie!



From juli17 at aol.com  Mon Aug  7 21:51:43 2006
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:51:43 EDT
Subject: Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter"
Message-ID: <c24.700bea.32090fef@aol.com>

 
Alla:

Aaaaaaa,  I just want to scream, very loudly.

I wonder how much vodka those  writers drank before coming up with 
this book?

Oh, the best one is  that they were actually **happy** that HP books 
were not translated well  in Russia, because that would means that 
russian children's souls cannot  be fully taken by those bad people.

Alla rolls her eyes and thanks for  the possibility to share the 
stupidity.





Julie:
I highly doubt the authors believe a word they wrote. My cynical  American
toots will be showing now: they wrote it to MAKE MONEY, and anything 
with the words "Harry Potter" attached is likely to do just that. The  end.
 
Julie, not caring if the yoyos are spoofing or  "serious"...yawning...


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From joemurphyus at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  7 22:30:34 2006
From: joemurphyus at sbcglobal.net (Joe)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:30:34 -0000
Subject: For AOL masochists, AOL is going for broke with free accounts
In-Reply-To: <eah5o0+tu6j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eb8eua+j2pd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <Mhochberg at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <joemurphyus@> wrote:
> >
> > I came to this thread late and am a little confused. Are you 
talking
> > about AOL giving free dial-up accounts, or broadband accounts, 
or just
> > an email account that you would access through another Internet
> > Service Provider?
> 
> 
> Hi, Joe,
> 
> This is for broadband accounts only. You can keep using AOL 
software,
> including the safety and security center (anti-virus, anti-spy,
> firewall, etc) and all the basic AOL services for free. You give 
up a
> dial-up connection or phone help.
> 
> ---Mary
>

Dina and Mary, thanks for the info.

--Joe








From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 17:38:49 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:38:49 -0400
Subject: Laws of probability RE: feeling lousy before vacation trip
Message-ID: <1a2738400608091038y77a0dbak6b860eb5c65fcc04@mail.gmail.com>

If you're excited about taking your first vacation in 3-4 years, the
more likely you'll feel lousy before going. :-(

In the realm of too much information, my monthly menstrual cycle is
going to start within a day or so and I'll be on a plane tomorrow from
Tampa, FL to Chicago, IL for a fannish convention and I feel
*exhausted*, bloated, and slightly sick and I have the *worst* skin
breakout this year (I'd probably make Eloise in the HP books feel good
about herself by comparison).  Evidently, stress and hormones are
*not* a good combo.

What I had hoped to do tomorrow was touristy stuff: I wanted to see
the Museum of Science and Industry, Field Museum and their Egyptian
exhibit, Shedd Aquarium, Millennium Park, Navy Pier, and possibly fit
in a couple more sights in a day... but oh no, I have to feel *and*
look miserable.

Hehe, on a lighter note (no pun considering what I'll comment on), as
I was applying liquid eyeliner earlier and tipped my face up, I was
somewhat amused to note I had 'raccoon eyes', in the sense I had eye
shadow for contour on my lids and dark circles from exhaustion
underneath.

Ugh, I have to be up at 3am to catch an airport shuttle and I'll be
working until 6pm. :-(  I took vitamins, milk, and soda for a caffeine
boost... Fuzzy mind still.  Going to try a salad for lunch.

Dina



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Aug  9 18:11:04 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:11:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Laws of probability RE: feeling lousy before
 vacation trip
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608091038y77a0dbak6b860eb5c65fcc04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c6bbdf$2dc51670$65a4a8c0@rosie>

The closest I can get to feeling awful before a trip was back in 1987 and I
was scheduled to fly to Mexico.  about 5 days before that, my ears closed up
with the worst sinus congestion I had ever had...bad enough that even the
Doc's attempts to blow me out with air and water yielded nothing except a
whole lotta burping on my part.  He gave me some very strong decongestants
and told me to come back if the thing hadn't cleared up in a week.  I
promptly told him that if it didn't clear up in three days I was going to
kill since I had a lot of money invested in this flight as did Art, and I
knew he wouldn't go if I didn't go, etc.

Well, the day before we were supposed to fly, my ears popped open!  I was
sooooo delighted; I called Doc, let him know that ears were open, he said to
take the pills with me, etc., and the next day, off we went to do mission
work in Mexico.

Believe me, I was truly worried about not going; between the two of us, we
had over $3,000 invested in flight, exchange money, antibiotic prevention,
etc., not something to just throw away.  So, indeed, boarding that first
plane to Dallas-Fort Worth was more than just a little exciting for me.
<Grin>

Feel better, Dina, try that stuff called Escape which is supposed to be
helpful to women in your situation.  It's supposed to be chocolatey, too.

Cheerios,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bridge13219 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 00:07:17 2006
From: bridge13219 at yahoo.com (bridge13219)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:07:17 -0000
Subject: Laws of probability RE: feeling lousy before vacation trip
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608091038y77a0dbak6b860eb5c65fcc04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebdtbl+k650@eGroups.com>


<snip>
 In the realm of too much information, my monthly menstrual cycle is
> going to start within a day or so and I'll be on a plane tomorrow 
from
> Tampa, FL to Chicago, IL for a fannish convention and I feel
> *exhausted*, bloated, and slightly sick and I have the *worst* skin
> breakout this year (I'd probably make Eloise in the HP books feel 
good
> about herself by comparison).  Evidently, stress and hormones are
> *not* a good combo.
> 
<snip> 
> Ugh, I have to be up at 3am to catch an airport shuttle and I'll be
> working until 6pm. :-(  I took vitamins, milk, and soda for a 
caffeine
> boost... Fuzzy mind still.  Going to try a salad for lunch.
> 
> Dina

bridge13219:
It's only too much information if you can't empathize (fellas!).  I 
have a friend who planned her wedding date around that time of the 
month (very smart).  I find blueberries really clean out my system 
and make me feel better; cranberries too (juice, dried, fresh).  AND 
green tea does wonders; caffine to perk you up and get rid of extra 
water!  Have fun!  

p.s. The Redhead Piano bar on Michigan Ave (I THINK, it's been a 
while) is really excellent!







From morianna at mindspring.com  Thu Aug 10 00:26:46 2006
From: morianna at mindspring.com (Morianna)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:26:46 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Laws of probability RE: feeling lousy before
 vacation trip
In-Reply-To: <000f01c6bbdf$2dc51670$65a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <000f01c6bbdf$2dc51670$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <44DA7D46.8030808@mindspring.com>

I learned this trick from a lady archaeologist who does her work in 
extremely primitive conditions for months at a time--while planning your 
trip, stop by the Drs and grab a few months' supply of birth control 
pills (if you don't already have them), and simply skip the "period" 
pills altogether and after you stop one pack, the next morning start the 
new pack.  You can safely do this for a few months, or just a week or 
two, so to postpone any "inconveniences".  Trust me, it beats looking 
for a cactus or a big rock in the outback where there is *no* 
sanitation, privacy, or commodes and you don't have to tote "lady-supplies".

Hope you have a great trip!
Mori


> (SNIP)
> Feel better, Dina, try that stuff called Escape which is supposed to be
> helpful to women in your situation.  It's supposed to be chocolatey, too.
>
> Cheerios,
>
> Lee :-)
>
>
>
>   




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 06:14:04 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:14:04 -0000
Subject: Consumer Reports - Top Anti-Virus Programs
Message-ID: <ebeirc+sa21@eGroups.com>

I just happen to be in the Public Library today and the issue of
Consumer Reports that was on display had an article about the best
anti-virus, anti-spyware programs.

They are as follows-

1.) Bit Defender Standard,  $30 purchase/$20 renew, overal rating 87

2.) Zone Labs Anti-Virus, $30 purchase/$20 renew, overal rating 85

3.) Kaspersky Labs, $50 purchase/$35 renew, overal rating 82

4a) Norton Anti-Virus for Mac, $40 purchase/$30 renew, overal rating 80
4b) Norton Anti-Virus for PC, $40 purchase/$30 renew, overal rating 80

While some have recommended Grisoft's AVG, or F-Prot which are free,
my sister had AVG on her computer and it wasn't very comprehensive. I
took me three days working day and night to clear all the viruses off
her computer. Keep in mind she also has three teenagers which doesn't
help keep a computer virus free.

I use Zone Labs - Zone Alarm Firewall-Personal (also free) and I am
very satisfied with it. If you buy the basic paid edition of Zone
Alarm, it comes with anti-virus and anti-spyware as well as firewall
protections. Zone Labs makes a variety of Internet Protection Suites
depending on your needs. For most people Zone Alarm Pro is sufficient.

I currently use Norton System Works (PC Utilities and Anti-Virus), but
as of the 2005 editions I've grown disillusioned with it. Most of the
utilities I count on are no longer available. So I am thinking of
looking else where. Zone Alarm or some variation of it is looking more
and more appealing.

Zone Alarm Pro is $40 (firewall and anti-virus/anti-spyware) with $30
a year renewals but that is for both; otherwise, $20 to buy and $20 a
year for just the anti-virus protection.

Here is a link to the top contenders from Consumer Reports-

http://www.bitdefender.com/

http://usa.kaspersky.com/

http://www.zonelabs.com/

Since the subject of anti-virus programs is being discussed, I hope
this post is OK.

Steve/bboyminn







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 10:19:08 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:19:08 -0400
Subject: WTF?! Airport consfication!
Message-ID: <1a2738400608100319g30b6482epd735dc073f12050b@mail.gmail.com>

I was given no advance notice until the security check, which had a
*huge* line. All liquids (my perfume, mouthwash, etc) and all gels
(toothpaste, shampoo. skincare)... gone! :-( Because of something
happening in London.

Dina



From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 10 12:52:45 2006
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:52:45 -0400
Subject: WTF?! Airport confiscation!
Message-ID: <002e01c6bc7b$e11b7470$0100a8c0@FAMILY>

I think we all know what that is about now. It may seem silly to
confiscate shampoo and such, but they have to do what they feel is
necessary to keep us all safe. Lets face it, a few years ago I was
flying from Philadelphia to San Francisco. I keep a small paring knife
in my purse to cut apples and such for lunch. I forgot to take it out
before I left. The airport security person told me that as long as the
blade was smaller than the width of her palm, I could carry it on. Since
9/11 that too has changed.

I know it is annoying, but hang in there. Sooner or later good will
prevail over evil.

Leeann



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From niuserre at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 13:07:10 2006
From: niuserre at gmail.com (Hayley Marsden)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:07:10 -0000
Subject: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608100319g30b6482epd735dc073f12050b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebfb1u+orss@eGroups.com>

It's all the UK airports because of a threat they've had. They're even
confiscating baby milk and the powder to make it which is a bit of a
nightmare.

Niu

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at ...>
wrote:
>
> I was given no advance notice until the security check, which had a
> *huge* line. All liquids (my perfume, mouthwash, etc) and all gels
> (toothpaste, shampoo. skincare)... gone! :-( Because of something
> happening in London.
> 
> Dina
>








From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 10 13:19:45 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:19:45 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <ebfb1u+orss@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1GBAS2-0002yP-1f@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hayley Marsden
It's all the UK airports because of a threat they've had. They're even
confiscating baby milk and the powder to make it which is a bit of a
nightmare.

Niu



Sherry now:

Actually, according to CNN, they will allow baby milk, but they might make
the passenger drink some to prove it is only milk.  it has also spread to US
airports as well at this point.  no liquids but baby's milk and prescription
meds.

Sherry




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 14:50:55 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:50:55 -0000
Subject: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <E1GBAS2-0002yP-1f@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ebfh4f+vngv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at ...> wrote:
>
> Hayley Marsden
> It's all the UK airports because of a threat they've had. They're 
even confiscating baby milk and the powder to make it which is a bit 
of a nightmare.
> 
> Sherry:
> 
> Actually, according to CNN, they will allow baby milk, but they 
might make the passenger drink some to prove it is only milk.  it 
has also spread to US airports as well at this point.  no liquids 
but baby's milk and prescription meds.
> 

Tonks:
Just hear about it on the news. Thank God Lumos was before now. I 
hate flying and need water to cope with the ear preasure thing. I am 
just so greatful that I got in and out of Vegas before all of this 
happened. 

And, of course, I thank God that the plot in the UK did not succeed.
Scary.

Tonks_op






From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Thu Aug 10 15:41:18 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:41:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <ebfh4f+vngv@eGroups.com>
References: <ebfh4f+vngv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1155224486.CBFF817@fc5.dngr.org>


On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 8:52am, Tonks wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com], "Sherry Gomes"
> <sherriola at ...> wrote:
>>
>>  Hayley Marsden
>>  It's all the UK airports because of a threat they've had. They're
> even confiscating baby milk and the powder to make it which is a bit
> of a nightmare.
>>
>>  Sherry:
>>
>>  Actually, according to CNN, they will allow baby milk, but they
> might make the passenger drink some to prove it is only milk. it
> has also spread to US airports as well at this point. no liquids
> but baby's milk and prescription meds.
>>
>
> Tonks:
> Just hear about it on the news. Thank God Lumos was before now. I
> hate flying and need water to cope with the ear preasure thing. I am
> just so greatful that I got in and out of Vegas before all of this
> happened.
>
> And, of course, I thank God that the plot in the UK did not succeed.
> Scary.
>
> Tonks_op

Monica crawling out from under her rock:

I'm always last to hear these stries and missed the full posting... 
Could someone please let me know what happened to prompt all this?

>
> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 16:59:03 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:59:03 -0000
Subject: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <1155224486.CBFF817@fc5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <ebfokn+2qjk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Monica Boukhalfa
<monicaboukhalfa at ...> wrote:
...
> 
> Monica crawling out from under her rock:
> 
> I'm always last to hear these stries and missed the full posting... 
> Could someone please let me know what happened to prompt all this?
> 
> >
> > 
> --Monica M. Boukhalfa
>

bboyminn:

News Flash-

Massive Suspect in Plane-Bombing Plot Arrested
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060810/NEWS99/60810019

American Air Cancels US-London Flights
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4108040.html

Police thwart Plot to Commit Mass Murder
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/public-services/aviation/police-thwart-major-terror-plot-$447214.htm

UK Jet Bomb Plot Foiled
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006370000,00.html

A good source of general UK news is Google New UK -
http://news.google.com/news?ned=uk

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn






From miles at martinbraeutigam.de  Thu Aug 10 22:13:32 2006
From: miles at martinbraeutigam.de (Miles)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:13:32 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Consumer Reports - Top Anti-Virus Programs
References: <ebeirc+sa21@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c6bcca$38865060$14b2a8c0@rechnerchen>

Steve wrote:
> I just happen to be in the Public Library today and the issue of
> Consumer Reports that was on display had an article about the best
> anti-virus, anti-spyware programs.

May I add a very good and free programme from Germany, which is available in
English as well and always gets best test results? It's AntiVir by Avira,
you find it here:
http://www.free-av.de/

Miles




From bumbledor at comcast.net  Fri Aug 11 05:05:23 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:05:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Consumer Reports - Top Anti-Virus Programs
References: <ebeirc+sa21@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c6bd03$c069ab60$6401a8c0@bumbledor>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:14 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Consumer Reports - Top Anti-Virus Programs


>I just happen to be in the Public Library today and the issue of
> Consumer Reports that was on display had an article about the best
> anti-virus, anti-spyware programs.
> 
> They are as follows-
> 
> 1.) Bit Defender Standard,  $30 purchase/$20 renew, overal rating 87
> 
> 2.) Zone Labs Anti-Virus, $30 purchase/$20 renew, overal rating 85
> 
> 3.) Kaspersky Labs, $50 purchase/$35 renew, overal rating 82
> 
> 4a) Norton Anti-Virus for Mac, $40 purchase/$30 renew, overal rating 80
> 4b) Norton Anti-Virus for PC, $40 purchase/$30 renew, overal rating 80
> 
> While some have recommended Grisoft's AVG, or F-Prot which are free,
> my sister had AVG on her computer and it wasn't very comprehensive. I
> took me three days working day and night to clear all the viruses off
> her computer. Keep in mind she also has three teenagers which doesn't
> help keep a computer virus free.
> 
> I use Zone Labs - Zone Alarm Firewall-Personal (also free) and I am
> very satisfied with it. If you buy the basic paid edition of Zone
> Alarm, it comes with anti-virus and anti-spyware as well as firewall
> protections. Zone Labs makes a variety of Internet Protection Suites
> depending on your needs. For most people Zone Alarm Pro is sufficient.
> 
> I currently use Norton System Works (PC Utilities and Anti-Virus), but
> as of the 2005 editions I've grown disillusioned with it. Most of the
> utilities I count on are no longer available. So I am thinking of
> looking else where. Zone Alarm or some variation of it is looking more
> and more appealing.
> 
> Zone Alarm Pro is $40 (firewall and anti-virus/anti-spyware) with $30
> a year renewals but that is for both; otherwise, $20 to buy and $20 a
> year for just the anti-virus protection.

Norton is such a systems resource hog, that I Had to delete it.
it took my 2.3 Gig machine and turned it into an 8mhz XT system.




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Aug 11 13:26:47 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:26:47 -0400
Subject: WTF?! Airport confiscation!
In-Reply-To: <002e01c6bc7b$e11b7470$0100a8c0@FAMILY>
References: <002e01c6bc7b$e11b7470$0100a8c0@FAMILY>
Message-ID: <1a2738400608110626k6214b527j17b6b8df14eb5661@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/10/06, Leeann McCullough <libtax10375 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I know it is annoying, but hang in there. Sooner or later good will
> prevail over evil.

I only have one of those small pocket PCs, so typing is interesting. :-)

There's optimism for ya. however, to what extent will we, as 'average'
folk, have to give up in order for 'peace (of mind)'?

Dina



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 11 14:08:24 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mythology: Gods/esses giving gift to humanity
Message-ID: <20060811140824.25626.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all!
   
  I'm looking for any world mythologies that have a god/godess/higherbeing giving a gift to humanity.  Much like, Prometheus giving fire.  
   
  I'm already familiar with santa myth.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Kemper, recently back from San Diego, a place where he will buy a house when he's super-rich for summers on the beach... maybe even learn to surf inspite his reasonable fear of sharks.

 		
---------------------------------
How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low  PC-to-Phone call rates.

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 11 15:46:44 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:46:44 -0000
Subject: Consumer Reports - Top Anti-Virus Programs
In-Reply-To: <00b901c6bd03$c069ab60$6401a8c0@bumbledor>
Message-ID: <ebi8p4+4mru@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledor" <bumbledor at ...> wrote:
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > I currently use Norton System Works (PC Utilities and 
> > Anti-Virus), but as of the 2005 editions I've grown 
> > disillusioned with it. Most of the utilities I count on
> > are no longer available. So I am thinking oflooking else
> > where. Zone Alarm or some variation of it is looking 
> > more and more appealing.
> > 
> > ...edited...

>bumbledor:
> 
> Norton is such a systems resource hog, that I Had to 
> delete it. it took my 2.3 Gig machine and turned it 
> into an 8mhz XT system.
>

bboyminn:

No denying the Norton is a resource HOG. I have been using Norton
System Works for many many years and liked many of the features
(Speedisk Defrag, System Optimiser, Norton Disk Doctor, Win Doctor
(Reg Clean)) but most of these features have been crippled or lost
with the advent of Win-XP. System Optimiser is gone, Speedisk Defrag
is a shadow of its former self, Disk Doctor seems to have been
crippled, and so on. 

Really, I bought System Works for the utilities and just accepted the
Anti-virius that came along with it. For me the critical applications
were Disk Doctor, Speedisk, System Optimiser, and Win Doctor.

Disk Doctor used to find and fix hard drive errors and directory
inconsistencies, now when it finds an error it just runs Microsoft
Check Disk at boot time. Why am I paying money for it to run a free
program? 

Speedisk used to be the best and most valuable asset to computing. It
defrags the hard drive, but also allows you to structure and organized
the hard drive. For example, when I had Win-98, I use to  move the
Directories and Folders to the front of the drive, then I sorted all
the folders and files in ascending alphabetical order. That way .com,
.bat, .exe, .dll and most other critical executable files were at the
front of the hard drive. Only .VBX files we left at the end, and I
could live with that. There we other true optimization options as
well. My hard drive ran fast and furious, frequently out performing
machines with much faster processers. Those options are all gone now.

I swithced to Perfect Disk for defrag, while it does a good job,
rather than give me the options to oganize the drive the way I want,
it has a 'Smart Defrag' feature in which the program analyzes the hard
drive and decides the best order for everything. It does a good job
but I miss the personal control.

System Optimizer used to move critical boot files to the front of the
drive, then defrag and reorder the Registry files. It did a pretty
good job of keeping my computer running at top speed. But now it's gone.

Win Doctor analyses the Registry and find entries the are unused or
for files that no longer exist, or for files that are misplaced. It
has an auto-repair feature, but I like to go through everything it
finds one-by-one and make the repaidrdecision for myself. When you
select an individual item, it gives a list of possible repairs;
usually it simpy 'Delete Entry'. Slightly dangerous since it make
changes to the Registry, but also keeps you machine lean and clean.
This feature is still there, but I'm thinking of buying a separate
Registry Cleaner program to do the job. There are many of them out there.

The problem is Norton used to come with everything for a reasonable
price. If I buy these equivalent programs separately instead of
costing $40, they are going to cost $40 each. 

As to your problem with Norton, if it was really as bad as you say,
then I suggest you had a bad install. Norton is notorious for bad
installs and it is usually your existing anti-virus that is causing
the problem. It is /critical/ to close every conceivable program even
if you have to go into you Start Up list and shut them down
temporarily while installing. 

Also, Norton likes to initiate a lot of automatic processes like
auto-update, scheduled defrags, and other assorted background and
start up tasks. It's important to close or kill all these to keep you
machine running efficiently.

As long as we are on the subject, he are two of the best free
tech-suport sites I have found. I have been a member of both for many
many years.

Hardware Tech-Support- 'Hardware Central'
http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/

Software, OS, and General Tech-Support- 'Virtual Dr' (virtual doctor)
http://discussions.virtualdr.com/index.php?

You can also post HiajckThis Log files here for analysis. For those
who don't know 'HiJackThis' is a free computer scanner that will find
deeply hidden Spyware and Viruses in your Registy. It produces a long
complex log-list that must be analysed by an expert. The experts here
at Virtual Dr, are the best. By the way, there are several other sites
that will also analyse HiJackThis Log files.

At both forums listed above, you can search and read without
registering, but if you want to post or reply, you have to join. I've
been a member since 1999 and have never once receive any kind of Spam
for joining. Your email address will not be sold or used in any
commercial way. My username at both these forums is 'boyblue'.

As a sample of the kind of help you can get, he is a link to one of my
post requesting an alternative to Norton Utilities-

http://discussions.virtualdr.com/showthread.php?t=207682&highlight=boyblue

That should give you an idea of the level of help you can get.

Steve/bboyminn








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 11 15:52:16 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:52:16 -0000
Subject: WTF?! Airport confiscation!
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608110626k6214b527j17b6b8df14eb5661@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebi93g+52ro@eGroups.com>

 Leeann McCullough wrote:
> 
> > I know it is annoying, but hang in there. Sooner or later good will
> > prevail over evil.
> 
> 

Dina wrote:
I only have one of those small pocket PCs, so typing is interesting. :-)
> 
> There's optimism for ya. however, to what extent will we, as 'average'
> folk, have to give up in order for 'peace (of mind)'?
> 

Tonks:
I think we just have to cope. I hate flying anyway, and after my trip 
to Las Vegas for Lumos, I thought ... well that wasn't so bad.  But now 
I don't think I will do it again anytime soon. 

But for those who travel a lot, they will get use to it and things will 
go smoothly after awhile. The airlines will have to give you water. One 
that I came back on, you had to buy the water and pop. But the flight 
was only $150.00. Just put everything in your checked luggage. All I 
needed was water and meds for travel sickness.

As to good prevaling over evil..  yes... but I think it will be many, 
many years..  long after I am gone.. before we ever see that. I think 
we are in for a very long ride.. of LV and the DE in the Muggle world. 
Sorry to say. And it is very scary. I wonder if the "final battle" is 
near?  I expect that someone will blow up the world before long. I know 
that this is a very negative view of human nature.. but reality.  Most 
people are good, but as we see in HP, it only takes a few to really 
make life hell for everyone else.

Tonks_op







From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Fri Aug 11 06:11:06 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:11:06 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: WTF?! Airport consfication!
In-Reply-To: <ebfh4f+vngv@eGroups.com>
References: <E1GBAS2-0002yP-1f@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <ebfh4f+vngv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <44DC3B9A02000078000003D0@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>



Not trying to be funny or any thing, but what do they do with the
confiscated stuff?  Do they just throw them away?  I really hope that
some people didn't just take the shampoo and stuff for themselves.

Cairie

>>> "Tonks" <tonks_op at yahoo.com> 2006-08-10 16:50 >>>
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at ...> wrote:
>
> Hayley Marsden
> It's all the UK airports because of a threat they've had. They're 
even confiscating baby milk and the powder to make it which is a bit 
of a nightmare.
> 
> Sherry:
> 
> Actually, according to CNN, they will allow baby milk, but they 
might make the passenger drink some to prove it is only milk.  it 
has also spread to US airports as well at this point.  no liquids 
but baby's milk and prescription meds.
> 

Tonks:
Just hear about it on the news. Thank God Lumos was before now. I 
hate flying and need water to cope with the ear preasure thing. I am 
just so greatful that I got in and out of Vegas before all of this 
happened. 

And, of course, I thank God that the plot in the UK did not succeed.
Scary.

Tonks_op





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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 11 22:54:37 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:54:37 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Ebony!
Message-ID: <ebj1rd+h5f8@eGroups.com>

*tidies up the party room, hangs streamers and blows up multi-
coloured balloons*

Everyone ready for a party? Yes? I thought that might be the case! :)

Let me just pop out to get us some food and we can get started.

*exits and reappears quickly with beverage fountains, nibblies and a 
gigantic cake*

Today's birthday honouree is the ever delightful Ebony aka AngieJ. 
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Ebony at: 
selah_1977 at yahoo.com

Eb, I hope your day is magical, filled with the company of family 
and good friends. 

Happy Birthday, Ebony!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf








From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 12 16:30:32 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:30:32 -0000
Subject: WTF?! Airport confiscation!
In-Reply-To: <ebi93g+52ro@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ebkvn8+llij@eGroups.com>


> Dina wrote:
> I only have one of those small pocket PCs, so typing is 
interesting. :-)
> > 
> > There's optimism for ya. however, to what extent will we, 
as 'average'
> > folk, have to give up in order for 'peace (of mind)'?
> > 
> 
> Tonks:
> I think we just have to cope. I hate flying anyway, and after my 
trip 
> to Las Vegas for Lumos, I thought ... well that wasn't so bad.  
But now 
> I don't think I will do it again anytime soon. 
> 
> But for those who travel a lot, they will get use to it and things 
will 
> go smoothly after awhile. The airlines will have to give you 
water. One 
> that I came back on, you had to buy the water and pop. But the 
flight 
> was only $150.00. Just put everything in your checked luggage. All 
I 
> needed was water and meds for travel sickness.
> 
> As to good prevaling over evil..  yes... but I think it will be 
many, 
> many years..  long after I am gone.. before we ever see that. I 
think 
> we are in for a very long ride.. of LV and the DE in the Muggle 
world. 
> Sorry to say. And it is very scary. I wonder if the "final battle" 
is 
> near?  I expect that someone will blow up the world before long. I 
know 
> that this is a very negative view of human nature.. but reality.  
Most 
> people are good, but as we see in HP, it only takes a few to 
really 
> make life hell for everyone else.



Kemper now:

MoM in the Muggle world needs to change too.  Muggles need to get 
DD's and other OoP's members into office and encourage the voice of 
the HRH's in the Muggle world to ring out.

Tonks, you seem to have an ambiguous thought on Humanity: A Negative 
View of Human Nature vs Most People are Good.

I think everyone has the Wolf of Light and the Wolf of Shadow.  The 
one we feed the most is the one that survives within us.

Kemper







From omphale at onetel.com  Sun Aug 13 04:35:58 2006
From: omphale at onetel.com (saraquel_omphale)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:35:58 -0000
Subject: Lost subject line in Yahoo
Message-ID: <ebma7e+t4ms@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone, I've only been dropping in on the list very occasionally 
for some time now.  Last time I noticed the revamp by yahoo, and all 
seemed good. But this time, I've got summary view on the message list, 
but cannot see the subject lines, only the first couple of lines of 
the messages.  This is happening both in time order and topic order.  
Is this happening to anyone else, is it a Yahoo glitch, or is there 
something I've missed and need to do?
Saraquel 






From wuff at internode.on.net  Sun Aug 13 05:11:24 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:11:24 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Lost subject line in Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <ebma7e+t4ms@eGroups.com>
References: <ebma7e+t4ms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <44DEB47C.4030906@internode.on.net>

saraquel_omphale wrote:
> Hi everyone, I've only been dropping in on the list very occasionally 
> for some time now.  Last time I noticed the revamp by yahoo, and all 
> seemed good. But this time, I've got summary view on the message list, 
> but cannot see the subject lines, only the first couple of lines of 
> the messages.  This is happening both in time order and topic order.  
> Is this happening to anyone else, is it a Yahoo glitch, or is there 
> something I've missed and need to do?
> Saraquel 

For some reason, one of the groups I'm on sends me things which end up
way earlier up in my inbox than they ought to be, dunno why.

I did have a clock problem that that's fixed now.

Wolfie!



From kking0731 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 13 23:42:38 2006
From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:42:38 -0000
Subject: Terrorists in your town?
Message-ID: <ebodde+8ob3@eGroups.com>





I am a bit curious if Pittsburgh's close suburbs are being singled out 
or if anyone else has heard of arrests and possible arrests of middle 
eastern persons purchasing quite a few cell phones at one time in their 
area? There have been several occurrences of such action very near 
where I live which is very close to Pittsburgh. I am curious as to how 
world wide these occurrences are taking place. Are certain places being 
targeted or is this more wide spread? 







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 14 21:54:11 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:54:11 -0000
Subject: Terrorists in your town?
In-Reply-To: <ebodde+8ob3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ebqre3+29dm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" <kking0731 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I am a bit curious if Pittsburgh's close suburbs are being singled 
out  or if anyone else has heard of arrests and possible arrests of 
middle eastern persons purchasing quite a few cell phones at one time 
in their area? There have been several occurrences of such action very 
near where I live which is very close to Pittsburgh. I am curious as 
to how world wide these occurrences are taking place. Are certain 
places being targeted or is this more wide spread?
>

Tonks:

I think I heard of it somewhere in Michigan too. 2 young men here.

Tonks_op






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 15 02:36:40 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:36:40 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Mary
Message-ID: <ebrbvo+vv4k@eGroups.com>

*blows up balloons, hangs streamers, adds a touch of glittery 
confetti above the party room and hurries off in search of 
refreshments*

Hang on, let me check this cake, there's supposed to be something 
inside.

*peers into the cake and resurfaces with a look of dismay*

Okay, we can't say I didn't try to get Alan Rickman into the cake, 
but it looks like the bribe wasn't big enough. Sorry Mary Ann!

Today's birthday honouree is Mary Ann, one of our delight List Elves 
who has occasionally covered the birthday elfing when I've been away. 
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Mary Ann 
at: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk

I hope your birthday was wonderful, filled with fun and magic.

Happy Birthday, Mary Ann!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who realises Mary Ann has probably gone to 
bed by now, but was holding out for a surprise in the cake :)









From random832 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 16 23:14:59 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:14:59 -0400
Subject: Quoting, attribution, etc.
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50608161557w29f4034bye27a21b9a685023c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7b9f25e50608161557w29f4034bye27a21b9a685023c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50608161614w7f6c80dfpd11fd001053785e6@mail.gmail.com>

(Note I'm adding a CC to OTChatter because I think the bit about
quoting/attribution/signature is an issue that needs to be discussed
among the community)

On 8/16/06, Ceridwen Keeley <ceridwennight at hotmail.com> wrote:
> This is Vexxy Elf.  I was surprised to see the term 'smart-ass' in your
> recent post:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157011

I've actually never perceived the term as an insult of any degree of
seriousness - cultural misunderstanding, sorry.

> One other point: you did not attribute your responses to yourself.

I did sign it. I was under the impression that only one or the other
was required.

>  In
> shorter posts, it is easy to keep track of who is 'speaking'.  But in longer
> posts, it can get confusing, especially for our members who use screen
> readers.  Even with the chevrons!

One would think that a mail reader intended to be used with screen
readers would provide special handling for quote markers.

> If you could just write your name above the responses which do not come
> immediately before your signature line, we would appreciate it.

If this is required, why require a signature line at all? I initially
wanted to do this _instead_ of using a signature line, and was only
grudgingly given permission to do so - make up your minds.

I would like to say one thing - this is likely the only place on the
entire internet where people "attribute" their own responses. No
matter what someone's circumstances might be, screen readers, english
as a second language (the same pattern can be observed in other
language mailing lists and newsgroups, so that's really not an issue),
surely they encounter the standard pattern (shown below) everywhere
else, which is why I don't understand why it isn't even allowed at all
here.

Subject: Some stuff
From: C

A wrote:
> B wrote:
>> [stuff B says]
>
> [stuff A says]

[C's reply]
--
C's signature

I would go so far as to say I doubt that screen readers don't handle
this pattern, given how universally common it is on usenet and on most
mailing lists. Can anyone who uses such software weigh in?



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 17 00:34:22 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:34:22 -0000
Subject: Quoting, attribution, etc.
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50608161614w7f6c80dfpd11fd001053785e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec0die+h10d@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:

I've been in the HP for... groups for a long long 
time, many years, and we, especially in the main HP 
for Grownups Group have standards. Yes, those standards 
are more ridged than most groups, but they work, they
keep the discussion orderly and organized.

Let's use your current post as an example... shame 
...shame, your post falls far short of the exceptable 
standard for any of the HP groups.

The standard format is ---

> You said (this is, your name here):
>
> Blah blah blah
> etc etc etc
> so on and so forth


I said (that is, my name here):

Yada yada yad
Piddly poodly pump
etc etc etc

Now in the next paragraph, I should and do identify 
you again even if I have to cut and paste your name 
at the top of the paragraph.


> You said next (your name here):
> 
> Talk talk talk
> ramble ramble ramble
> Pondificate pontificate pontificate
> etc etc etc


I said (my name again):

Yada yada yada
Every good boy does fine.
All cows eat grass.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

To make it clear, let's use a section of your post



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jordan Abel" 
random832 at ...> wrote:
>
> ...
> 
> > Ceridwen Keeley:
> >
> > This is Vexxy Elf.  I was surprised to see the term 
> > 'smart-ass' in your recent post:...

> Jordan Abel:
>
> I've actually never perceived the term as an insult of 
> any degree of seriousness - cultural misunderstanding, 
> sorry.
> 

bboyminn:

I think I was the one you called a 'smart ass', I wasn't 
too fussed about it.

> > Ceridwen Keeley:
> > 
> > One other point: you did not attribute your responses
> > to yourself.

YOUR NAME AGAIN!!!!

> Jordan Abel:
> 
> I did sign it. I was under the impression that only one 
> or the other was required.
> 

IDENIFY THE PERSON YOU ARE RESPONDING TOO!!!

> > Ceridwen Keeley:
> > 
> > In shorter posts, it is easy to keep track of who 
> > is 'speaking'.  But in longer posts, it can get 
> > confusing, especially for our members who use screen
> > readers.  Even with the chevrons!

IDENTIFY YOURSELF AT THE TOP OF ****EVERY PARAGRAPH****!!!

IDENTIFY THE PERSON YOU ARE RESPONDING TO AT THE TOP OF 
***EACH*** PARAGRAPH!!!

> Jordan Abel:
> 
> One would think that a mail reader intended to be used 
> with screen readers would provide special handling for 
> quote markers.
> 

bboyminn:

The problems is, you responded and didn't identify who
you were responding, and when you responded in a later 
paragraph you failed to identify yourself.

That might work when one person is responding to another, 
but when I respond to you it becomes more obsure; there 
are unidentified paragraphs all over the place. Now, when
someone responds to my response, if I haven't identified 
my paragraphs, then all we have are an endless chain of 
unidentified statements, if becomes difficult to figure 
out who said what to who. Yes, it can be done, but why 
should the reader have to struggle because you are too 
lazy to make sure every paragraph, whether it is yours 
or someone else's, is signed. 

What happens in usenet or other forums or user groups 
is irrelevant, part of belonging to the HP groups is 
adhereing to strict posting guide lines that have 
proven themselves productive and effective over many 
many years.

Actually, I've misspoke slightly, I said identify the 
speaker at the top of each paragraph, that's not 
exactly true. Every time some one NEW 'speaks', whether 
you or the person you are responding too, that person 
should be identified.

We do have several blind or sight diminished people here
who use text readers, and you are driving them nuts by 
not signing each and every occurance of a new person 
speaking, regardless of whether the new speaker is you, 
the person you are responding to, or someone they are 
responding to. 

Look at some of the threads in the main group, they are 
dozens of posts long. If each 'speaker' is not identified, 
it becomes next to impossible to determine who said what 
to who. 

Those are the rules.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug 17 01:14:32 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:14:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quoting, attribution, etc.
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50608161614w7f6c80dfpd11fd001053785e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c6c19a$7f581080$65a4a8c0@rosie>

Hi,

As a user of GW Micro's Window-Eyes Screen-reader and a long-time user of
newsgroups, lists, etc., I am familiar with all kinds of attribution
practices, formats, etc.  However, there are some things which work better
than others, particularly if there is more than one person quoted.

I do think placing attribution before your response to whatever quoted
material does help.  It doesn't matter how it's written, but some note above
posted material makes it easier to know who's saying what.

As far as "chevrons" are concerned, most users of screen-readers turn off
punctuation in reading mode; too many "Commas," "Greater-thans," and other
marks get to be very distracting and one can lose the meaning of the
message.  Personally, I do, in fact, keep my punctuations turned off for
reading and on for writing.

Just to give you an example:
"Would you (comma) seriously (comma) like to listen to (star) all your
messages (star) like this with all the punctuations turned on (question)?"

Probably not; you would prefer to hear the same sentence read like a
sentence:
"would you, seriously, like to listen to *all your messages* like this with
all the punctuations turned on?"

Another thing to note is that, in some cases, if the message comes in an
HTML format, there are no arrows, bars, or other marks to delineate one
speaker from another.

I don't know if this is of any help, but, even with vision, I think it's
only a common sense nicety to identify who your quoting as well as
identifying yourself in the message, and signing your post may seem
redundant, but I appreciate it!...especially if you are the original poster.
There's nothing more irksome than reading a post with no signage of any
sort.

I am aware that some cultures don't sign their posts; having been a list
mod, I had to deal with that from one poster who said that he never signed
his email and I told him that if he wanted to remain a member of the list
he'd better.  Well, he did, and all was right with the world. <Grin>

I hope this missive hasn't left the question of quotes and attributions
unanswered as to what works best for screen-reader users.

Personally, I'm flexible, but I'm also very experienced.  There are a lot of
novices who have a horrible time with Cut-&-Paste mail, so I know the
attribution of quoted parts is not only nice for them but essential!

Take care, and please write me off list if you have any questions about
screen-readers, blind people, access tech, etc.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Wed Aug 16 13:08:07 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:08:07 +0200
Subject: Please help if you can.
Message-ID: <44E334D702000078000004DC@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>



Good afternoon all you Harry Potter fans.  I've got ADSL at long last
yippee!!!  What I'd like to know is, are there any Harry Potter sites
that a blind person can use without too much difficulty?  Also I'd like
to do some role playing.  Are there any role playing sites that a blind
person with a screen reader can join?

Thanks very much

Cairie [who still can't believe that she can use ADSL] 







From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 17 02:02:56 2006
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (once_red78)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:02:56 -0000
Subject: Terrorists in your town?
In-Reply-To: <ebqre3+29dm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec0iog+7g2q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
> > "snow15145" <kking0731@> wrote:
> >
> > I am a bit curious if Pittsburgh's close suburbs are being  
> > singled out or if anyone else has heard of arrests and possible 
> > arrests of middle eastern persons purchasing quite a few cell 
> > phones at one time in their area? There have been several 
> > occurrences of such action very near where I live which is very 
> > close to Pittsburgh. I am curious as to how world wide these 
> > occurrences are taking place. Are certain places being targeted 
> > or is this more wide spread?
> 
> Tonks:
> 
> I think I heard of it somewhere in Michigan too. 2 young men here.
> 
> Tonks_op
>
Mike:

We had 5 guys from Texas, in their 20s I think, picked up in 
Michigan and 2 Michigan 20-year-olds picked up in *Indiana?* or 
somewhere nearby. The two Michigan guys were Middle Eastern descent 
(Dearborn, largest middle eastern population in th U.S.), but it's 
looking like the authorities have determined there were no terrorist-
type motives. The guys were just trying to turn a quick buck, albeit 
illegally (avoiding sales tax or something like that). What did you 
have in Pittsburg? Was it terrorist-related or something less 
sinister?

Mike








From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Thu Aug 17 06:12:58 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:12:58 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Quoting, attribution, etc.
In-Reply-To: <000501c6c19a$7f581080$65a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <7b9f25e50608161614w7f6c80dfpd11fd001053785e6@mail.gmail.com>
 <000501c6c19a$7f581080$65a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <44E4250A02000078000004E8@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>



Hi there

A little bit off the mark, but, the mail I sent first didn't seem to go
through at all.  I thought that if I reply on a mail, I'll have better
luck.

I'm a blind person and I use the JAWS screen reader.  Which Harry
Potter sites are easy to use with screen readers, and, does any one know
if I can do some role playing with JAWS screen readers.

Thanks for your help.

Cairie  

>>> "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net>
2006-08-17 03:14 >>>
Hi,

As a user of GW Micro's Window-Eyes Screen-reader and a long-time user
of
newsgroups, lists, etc., I am familiar with all kinds of attribution
practices, formats, etc.  However, there are some things which work
better
than others, particularly if there is more than one person quoted.

I do think placing attribution before your response to whatever quoted
material does help.  It doesn't matter how it's written, but some note
above
posted material makes it easier to know who's saying what.

As far as "chevrons" are concerned, most users of screen-readers turn
off
punctuation in reading mode; too many "Commas," "Greater-thans," and
other
marks get to be very distracting and one can lose the meaning of the
message.  Personally, I do, in fact, keep my punctuations turned off
for
reading and on for writing.

Just to give you an example:
"Would you (comma) seriously (comma) like to listen to (star) all your
messages (star) like this with all the punctuations turned on
(question)?"

Probably not; you would prefer to hear the same sentence read like a
sentence:
"would you, seriously, like to listen to *all your messages* like this
with
all the punctuations turned on?"

Another thing to note is that, in some cases, if the message comes in
an
HTML format, there are no arrows, bars, or other marks to delineate
one
speaker from another.

I don't know if this is of any help, but, even with vision, I think
it's
only a common sense nicety to identify who your quoting as well as
identifying yourself in the message, and signing your post may seem
redundant, but I appreciate it!...especially if you are the original
poster.
There's nothing more irksome than reading a post with no signage of
any
sort.

I am aware that some cultures don't sign their posts; having been a
list
mod, I had to deal with that from one poster who said that he never
signed
his email and I told him that if he wanted to remain a member of the
list
he'd better.  Well, he did, and all was right with the world. <Grin>

I hope this missive hasn't left the question of quotes and
attributions
unanswered as to what works best for screen-reader users.

Personally, I'm flexible, but I'm also very experienced.  There are a
lot of
novices who have a horrible time with Cut-&-Paste mail, so I know the
attribution of quoted parts is not only nice for them but essential!

Take care, and please write me off list if you have any questions
about
screen-readers, blind people, access tech, etc.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net 
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





 








From sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 17 17:48:09 2006
From: sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net (Sharon Hawkinson)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:48:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Please help if you can.
References: <44E334D702000078000004DC@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <099a01c6c225$4d8e55b0$210110ac@621B10B>

Hi Cairie and all,

I don't post here much, but I caught this message and thought I'd answer.

I own a Harry Potter RPG group on Yahoo that you're more than welcome to join. We're quite Alternate Universe, which means that we don't follow cannon very much and we have a number of different writing styles. It's very freeform and we don't have many rules to follow...we just let the imagination and muse run. :)

I'm also visually impaired and don't have trouble (unless Yahoo acts up). If you can handle doing Yahoo groups. then you'll be able to hand this.

The link is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP-Fics-and-RPG

Sharon

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 18 01:09:23 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:09:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter]  jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <099a01c6c225$4d8e55b0$210110ac@621B10B>
Message-ID: <20060818010923.1802.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

(Requisite apology in advance if this has been brought up and discussed on
the main list.  I'm up to the end of March in daily digests (only five
months to go to be caught up!) for that wordy group, so I don't know
what's being talked about currently.)


I opened jkrowling.com tonight, and underneath the newspaper, before it's
covered up by the newspaper, is a red-wrapped candy clearly labelled ACID
POPS.

I hadn't noticed it before, and since I've just been reading theories
about ACID POPS and Chapter 2 of HBP, it certainly caught my eye. 

Any thoughts on why that particular candy?  Or, nothing to see here,
folks, move along?


MJ

-------------------------------
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From jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 18 08:11:44 2006
From: jojobinks1983 at yahoo.co.uk (jojobinks1983)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:11:44 -0000
Subject: REALLY OT!!!!!!!! Any topic
Message-ID: <ec3so0+ki09@eGroups.com>

Hi,

Just thought I would share this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TgVxgr_5PY

Especially for those with a Python-esque sense of humour, or with a 
Moira Stewart obsession.

I am still laughing.

Jo







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 18 14:05:54 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:05:54 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <20060818010923.1802.qmail@web36809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ec4hg2+h09o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> (Requisite apology in advance if this has been brought up and 
discussed on
> the main list.  I'm up to the end of March in daily digests (only 
five
> months to go to be caught up!) for that wordy group, so I don't know
> what's being talked about currently.)
> 
> 
> I opened jkrowling.com tonight, and underneath the newspaper, 
before it's
> covered up by the newspaper, is a red-wrapped candy clearly 
labelled ACID
> POPS.
> 
> I hadn't noticed it before, and since I've just been reading 
theories
> about ACID POPS and Chapter 2 of HBP, it certainly caught my eye. 
> 
> Any thoughts on why that particular candy?  Or, nothing to see here,
> folks, move along?
> 
> 
> MJ
> 
>

Alla:

Heeee. Neri should be so proud, even if it is just a joke and means 
nothing, it is still a shout out, me thinks :) Thanks for bringing 
this up.







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 18 17:03:02 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:03:02 -0000
Subject: Death Eaters spotted at Norton
Message-ID: <ec4rs6+g2e8@eGroups.com>

Help I have been taken captive by the DE. (AKA: Norton) 

I am writing from work. Let me tell you what has happened. Since last 
Friday I cannot get into the Yahoo group messages anywhere. I called 
my DSL service. They said the signal was not strong and sent someone 
out on Monday.  After waiting for hours I went to work in the 
afternoon and when I came back later, both the DSL and the phone were 
out. Tuesday the ATT man came out, tracked in the house because they 
can not take their shoes off, stayed 4 hours and fixed everything and 
he determined that the Yahoo group message problem was something with 
my computer since it worked on his laptop. Came home Wed. night, DSL 
and phone were off again.  Meet another ATT man on Thursday, this one 
had booties.  Friday I spent an hour and a half talking with a very 
nice man in Nova Scotia who worked for Microsoft. He was very helpful 
and I asked a lot of computer questions and learned a lot.  He 
determined that the problem was with the Norton program.
Friday night, I called Norton. Now for the second time in 5 month I 
had to uninstall and reinstall Norton. This encounter with India was 
not as pleasant and this man was not as helpful, so I was left on my 
own for most of this. And of course, it has not installed correctly.  
I will have to be back on the phone with them tonight.

If it were not for my severe addiction to HPFGU I would not bother 
with all of this!! I have had severe withdrawal, and have gotten some 
things done around the house, in between my long phone calls to 
computer people.

Ah, for the good old days
  no computers, no cell phones.  The good 
old days, when we knew our neighbors, and had time for a cup of tea 
with them, got a good nights sleep and kept our sanity.

Tonks_op







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 18 17:48:00 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:48:00 -0000
Subject: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <ec4hg2+h09o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec4ugg+6ouj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> Marita Jan <maritajan@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> > 
> > I opened jkrowling.com tonight, and underneath the 
> > newspaper, before it's covered up by the newspaper, 
> > is a red-wrapped candy clearly labelled ACID
> > POPS.
> > 
> > ... I've just been reading theories about ACID POPS 
> > and Chapter 2 of HBP, it certainly caught my eye. 
> > 
> > Any thoughts on why that particular candy?  Or, 
> > nothing to see here, folks, move along?
> > 
> > MJ
> > 
> >
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Heeee. Neri should be so proud, even if it is just a 
> joke and means nothing, it is still a shout out, me 
> thinks :) Thanks for bringing this up.
>


bboyminn:

Well, as an Acronym, ACID POPs stands for 'Alas, Cissy Is Despondent,
Perhaps Obsessively Passionate Severus' and begins at message number
138742 in the main 'HP for Grownups' group. Apparently, it has
something to do with 'Snape, Narcissa, Unbreakable Vow'.

For an explanation of all the acronyms common found in HP discussions,
see...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=28

JKR has never indicated that she reads 'HP for Grownups' or any of
it's sister groups. So, I'm not sure whether she would have picked up
on that acronym or not.

I will point out that Acid Pops are a real candy in the UK. It's the
equivalent of a large sour ball or 'Sweet Tart' on a stick. It is a
candy that is both sweet but very sour at the same time. 

For the record Ice Mice aren't real but Sugar Mice are. 

You can find these and many other uniquely UK sweet at this website-

A Quarter Of-
http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/

One a quick glance I didn't see Acid Pops even though I know I've seen
them before, but I did see 'Sherbert Lemon', 'Fizz Wizz Strawberry
Space Dust' which is perhaps the forerunner of 'Fizzing Whizbies', on
second glance I didn't find Acid Pops but I did find Acid Drops,
Gobstoppers, 'Giant Rats', 'Gooey Brain Skullcrushers', Sugar Mice',
'Sugar Pigs', 'Mint Humbugs', 'Liquorice Wands', and may other fun treats.


Of courser, now you can buy Harry Potter Acid Pops, extremely sour or
so I'm told, but Acid Drops and I'm sure Acid Pops existed before
Harry Potter. I also find 'Fizz Wizz' a little to close to 'Fizzing
Whizbies' for it to be a coincidence.

Just a few fun facts.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 18 18:47:48 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:47:48 -0000
Subject: Death Eaters spotted at Norton
In-Reply-To: <ec4rs6+g2e8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec520k+4stn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>Tonks:
>
> ... Since last Friday I cannot get into the Yahoo group 
> messages anywhere. 

bboyminn:

Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. Are you 
saying you were completely blocked from the Internet, or 
that you specifically couldn't get into Yahoo but you could 
access to the Internet in all other way? 
Could you get email? 
Could you get to Google? etc....

Also, you mention having Norton, but not 'Norton /what/'; 
Norton Anti-Virus, Norton Firewall, etc...?



> Tonks continues:
>
> ... He determined that the problem was with the Norton 
> program. Friday night, I called Norton. Now for the 
> second time in 5 month I had to uninstall and reinstall 
> Norton. ...
> 
> Tonks_op
>

bboyminn:

Norton is VERY particular about installing with all 
unnecessary programs CLOSED. This is especially true 
if you had some other firewall or antivirus installed 
and running while you installed Norton.

You must close every application, and specifically all 
the applications running in the System Tray on the lower 
right-hand side of your computer screen. Many Instant 
Messengers can be closed by right clicking and simply 
selecting 'Exit' or 'Close'. Others are harder to truly 
close. To get to them, you must go to [Start][Run] and 
enter MSCONFIG. Msconfig, will give you a list of 
start-up programs, you must close all non-essential 
start-up programs then reboot your computer. More than 
any other program I've seen, this is critical with Norton.

Also, you didn't mention what other inter-related software 
you might be running. Do you have a firewall? Typically
 firewalls will block programs from getting into or out 
of your computer, but they will not block specific 
websites. Is it possible that your browser's Parental 
Controls are set and are blocking Yahoo? An anti-virus 
program, will usually deal with specific files rather than 
websites or running programs (unless the program is a 
virus), so it is unlikely that the anti-virus is blocking 
Yahoo.

There are tech support sights on the Web that are run by 
users and volunteers, I frequently find the people there 
to be more patient and knowledgable than 'official' tech 
support.

One of my favorites is -

Virtual Dr-
http://discussions.virtualdr.com/index.php?

If you can form a clear or moderately clear question, 
you will probably get an answer to your problem. It's 
best to tell them the nature of the problem, the steps 
you've already taken to solve it, what software you have 
running, and a general description of your hardware. 

You can read without registering, but it you want to post 
or respond, you have to register. In the many many years I
 have been a member, I have NEVER gotten SPAM from the 
because I gave them my email address (required for 
registering). The only thing I get are notices when 
someone has responded to my question or to a thread I 
am tracking.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 19 22:15:09 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:15:09 -0000
Subject: Death Eaters spotted at Norton
In-Reply-To: <ec520k+4stn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec82hd+rjs9@eGroups.com>

> >Tonks:
> >
> > ... Since last Friday I cannot get into the Yahoo group 
> > messages anywhere. 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. Are you 
> saying you were completely blocked from the Internet, or 
> that you specifically couldn't get into Yahoo but you could 
> access to the Internet in all other way? 
> Could you get email? 
> Could you get to Google? etc....
> 
> Also, you mention having Norton, but not 'Norton /what/'; 
> Norton Anti-Virus, Norton Firewall, etc...?
> 
Tonks:
Hi Steve. I could get into everything except the messages at Yahoo 
groups. Any only since Friday PM.

I have uninstalled the program and reinstalled it, but there is a bit 
of a glitch with the updates, so I will call them again tonight when 
I have more patience. I am using a computer at my office now.

It seems to me that everytime Norton updates itself and something 
goes wrong, "I" have to either buy or reinstall their program. Now 
someone else from there gave me instructions by e-mail to "create new 
program rules", so it seems to me that one hand does not know what 
the other is doing over at Norton. But I will stay with them. Better 
the devil you know than the one you don't, as the saying goes. 

I am getting a lot of gardening done today. I even have a life  now 
for a few days!! Amazing what the world outside my little room is 
like. ;-) I do have some more ideas about Alchemy now too, with more 
time to read.  Did you know that the stone can not be distroyed?  
Wonder if JKR knows that!  More on that later at the main group when 
I get back on.

Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 19 22:31:32 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:31:32 -0000
Subject: Acid Pops( was Re: jkrowling.com
In-Reply-To: <ec4ugg+6ouj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec83g4+32h8@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> 
> I will point out that Acid Pops are a real candy in the UK. It's the
> equivalent of a large sour ball or 'Sweet Tart' on a stick. It is a
> candy that is both sweet but very sour at the same time. 
> 
> For the record Ice Mice aren't real but Sugar Mice are. 
> 
> You can find these and many other uniquely UK sweet at this website-
> 
> A Quarter Of-
> http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/
> 
> One a quick glance I didn't see Acid Pops even though I know I've 
seen them before, but I did see 'Sherbert Lemon', 'Fizz Wizz 
Strawberry Space Dust' which is perhaps the forerunner of 'Fizzing 
Whizbies', (snip)

Tonks:

I have had the UK Acid Pops and the US ones. The ones in the US are 
not very inventive. Just a pop with a sour coating. But the ones in 
the UK are wild!  They taste good to start with and have little stars 
in them. At the very center is a liquid acid that starts to bubble up 
and ooze out from little holes in the pop. Wild. I could not finish 
one. I gave some at the office and one fool bit into her's (who does 
that! Pops are for sucking, not biting. Serves her right!) And it was 
so funny, we all were watching her as she turned purple, gasped, 
screamed for water and spite it out in the trash. ;-) Wicked Tonks, 
wicked! 

I don't think they make them any more in the UK. If anyone hears of 
any, please let me know.

Tonks_op






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 19 22:59:12 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:59:12 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Death Eaters spotted at Norton
In-Reply-To: <ec82hd+rjs9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1GEZmg-0005Ad-Al@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tonks:
Hi Steve. I could get into everything except the messages at Yahoo groups.
Any only since Friday PM.

I have uninstalled the program and reinstalled it, but there is a bit of a
glitch with the updates, so I will call them again tonight when I have more
patience. I am using a computer at my office now.

It seems to me that everytime Norton updates itself and something goes
wrong, "I" have to either buy or reinstall their program. Now someone else
from there gave me instructions by e-mail to "create new program rules", so
it seems to me that one hand does not know what the other is doing over at
Norton. But I will stay with them. Better the devil you know than the one
you don't, as the saying goes. 



Sherry:
Tonks, it isn't just you and it isn't because of Norton.  I use trend
micro's PC Cillin for my anti-virus, and I've had all kinds of problems with
my yahoo groups, particularly yesterday.   It isn't my anti virus program,
because I know of several other people on various lists having the same
kinds of issues.  Every since yahoo groups upgraded a couple months ago,
I've had a lot of problems with my groups.

Sherry




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Aug 20 15:43:23 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:43:23 -0000
Subject: (was( Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter"
In-Reply-To: <eb6fsj+kk27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ec9vur+kaek@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote
in <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30500>:

<< (snip) were you at Lumos? Next time we  should have a "Room of
Requirement" and have a meeting of the HPFGU's. >>

Yes, but you couldn't come if you were undercover in disguise as some
one else.








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 21 01:38:05 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:38:05 -0000
Subject: (was( Fulfilling my promise to KathyK :) - Introducing "AntiHarry Potter"
In-Reply-To: <ec9vur+kaek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecb2pt+detv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op@> wrote
> in <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30500>:
> 
> << (snip) were you at Lumos? Next time we  should have a "Room of
> Requirement" and have a meeting of the HPFGU's. >>
> 
> Yes, but you couldn't come if you were undercover in disguise as some
> one else.
>
Tonks:

True.  But I could come as someone else. They might be on the group 
too. ;-) 






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 21 01:35:39 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:35:39 -0000
Subject: Death Eaters spotted at Norton
In-Reply-To: <E1GEZmg-0005Ad-Al@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ecb2lb+9avh@eGroups.com>

> Sherry:
> Tonks, it isn't just you and it isn't because of Norton.  I use trend
> micro's PC Cillin for my anti-virus, and I've had all kinds of 
problems with my yahoo groups, particularly yesterday.   It isn't my 
anti virus program, because I know of several other people on various 
lists having the same kinds of issues.  Every since yahoo groups 
upgraded a couple months ago, I've had a lot of problems with my 
groups.
> 

Tonks:
I am still using the computer at work. I am not 100% sure but I think 
that Norton, and probably others, ungraded their security because of 
the Yahoo group virus that hit us in June. There is a note about it at 
Norton. Some jerk from Iran did it in June. So they have more secruity 
now, that is why we can't get into the messages. I will know more as 
soon as I have to time to call them again. It always takes a couple of 
hours and a lot of frustration and I am not up to it just now.

Tonks_op







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 01:51:54 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:51:54 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes for Jo C.
Message-ID: <ecdnvr+s78l@eGroups.com>

*shuffles feet and looks about furtively, hoping no one notices the 
lateness of the party*

I sort of have a good excuse, if you can count being overworked as 
a 'good excuse'. :) Let me just tidy up the room and get some 
nibblies so we can get started.

*decorates the room in a flash, with glow in the dark balloon and 
multi-coloured streamers, and then brings in an array of food plates*

There, that should keep us going for a bit. :)

The birthday honouree for the 17th was Jo Crabtree (aka Professor 
Phlash). I had the great pleasure of meeting her at Lumos. I love 
finally meeting people I've known here on HPFGU! Belated birthday 
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Jo at: 
crabtree at ktc.com

I hope your day brought everything you'd wished for.

Happy Birthday, Jo!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf











From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 02:10:11 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:10:11 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Ali!
Message-ID: <ecdp23+ntev@eGroups.com>

*refreshes the decorations and adds a touch of glitter to hover above 
the room*

Yes, I know you're still partying, but there's even more to celebrate! 

*refreshes all the drinks and replenishes the supply of food*

Did I hear someone say we needed some music? You know, it's late and 
Ali's probably gone to bed (being on the other side of the ocean from 
me), but I'm sure she won't mind us partying on her behalf. :)

Today's birthday honouree is Ali (Alhewison), who was the driving force 
behind the successful Accio conference last year. Birthday owls can be 
sent care of this list or directly to Ali at: ali at zymurgy.org

I hope your day has been filled with magic, fun and the best of company.

Happy Birthday, Ali!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who hopes to finally meet Ali someday before 
she gets too old to do all this traveling :D







From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 02:31:44 2006
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (once_red78)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:31:44 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
Message-ID: <ecdqag+buse@eGroups.com>

For the second day in a row, I had just finished composing a long 
post, hit send, and got the page telling me my 24 hours had run out. I 
had to re-sign in to Yahoo and, Oh by the way, that long post...gone!!
Twice. I am too slow of a typist to re-compose and too mad to remember 
what I had said.

I use Yahoo as my home page. Does anybody know what I could add to my 
home page address line to automatically transmit my ID and password 
when bringing up my home page? That way every time I log on to the 
internet it will automatically re-sign me in to Yahoo and start a new 
24 hour clock.

I would really appreciate it,
Mike






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 16:13:13 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:13:13 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <ecdqag+buse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecfaep+ie86@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "once_red78" <mcrudele78 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> For the second day in a row, I had just finished composing a long 
> post, hit send, and got the page telling me my 24 hours had run out. 
I  had to re-sign in to Yahoo and, Oh by the way, that long 
post...gone!! Twice. I am too slow of a typist to re-compose and too 
mad to remember what I had said. 

Tonks:
May I suggest that you open your word program and type everything 
there and then save it and cut and paste it to post. That is the 
easiest way so that you don't lose any thing. I learned that the hard 
way myself.

Tonks_op






From bumbledor at comcast.net  Tue Aug 22 18:39:29 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (Bumbledor)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:39:29 -0000
Subject: settings?
Message-ID: <ecfj11+2q9u@eGroups.com>

Dunno if I should ask this here or not, but it seems yahoo began 
bouncing this email address, and I had to go back and reset all the 
dang membership settings to the TRADITIONAL emails..
Anyone know if there is a simple way to do that for all my groups at 
once, so I don't have to go to each one and manualy change it?
Thanks.
BTW, I HATE the new format these message are commin in.







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 18:53:41 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:53:41 -0000
Subject: settings?
In-Reply-To: <ecfj11+2q9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecfjrl+umel@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bumbledor" <bumbledor at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Dunno if I should ask this here or not, but it seems yahoo began 
> bouncing this email address, and I had to go back and reset all the 
> dang membership settings to the TRADITIONAL emails..
> Anyone know if there is a simple way to do that for all my groups at 
> once, so I don't have to go to each one and manualy change it?
> Thanks.
> BTW, I HATE the new format these message are commin in.
>
Tonks:

It is easier and your mail will not bounce if you just read the 
messages on the group. I don't know what you mean by traditional 
emails. Just ask for the notices to your e-mail and read the rest on 
the group pages. I think you have to change each group.

Tonks_op







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 20:51:26 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:51:26 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <ecdqag+buse@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecfqoe+tnc4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "once_red78" <mcrudele78 at ...>
wrote:
>
> For the second day in a row, I had just finished 
> composing a long post, hit send, and got the page 
> telling me my 24 hours had run out. I had to re-sign 
> in to Yahoo and, Oh by the way, that long post...gone!!
> Twice. ...
>
> Mike
>

Just out of curiousity Mike are you using email 
or the Web interface?

I've lost so many posts due to problems with Yahoo, 
that I don't close the Tab (window) until after my 
post has shown up. I keep hitting Reload until my 
post appears in the thread list. 

If you use the Web interface it may not have occurred 
to you, but you can page Back a page or two and your 
post will still be there. If it seems that Yahoo has 
lost my post, I just page back, and hit send again.

If you are using email, then a copy should be in the 
SENT folder of your email program.

It sounds like you are using the Web interface, that 
is, going on-line and reading and posting on the
HPforGrownups/HPFGU-OTChatter webpage. I use 
Mozilla/Seamonkey Suite and sometimes Firefox which 
allow new tabs to be opened; meaning I can open a 
webpage in a single occurance of my browser, but have 
tab across the top, one for each webpage I have open. 

Typically, I have the main list in the first Tab, then 
right click and open three new posts, each in their own 
Tab, then I read and if necessary, reply to them. While 
I am waiting I go back to the main Tab, and open more 
posts. Periodically, I go back to the Tab in which I 
have posted a reply, reload, if my reply appears in the 
thread list, I close the Tab. If it doesn't, I page back 
to my post edit window and send it again.

If you use Internet Explorer, you can do the same thing, 
but you have to open each post in a separate window. The 
important thing is to NOT close the window or tab until 
your post has appeared.

I suspect, in your case, if you had hit the Back button, 
you would have eventually come to your post, and could 
have resent it.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn








From sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 22 21:02:27 2006
From: sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net (Sharon Hawkinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:02:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Yahoo sign-in
References: <ecfqoe+tnc4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <265601c6c62e$468870e0$210110ac@621B10B>

Been there...done that. Not a fun thing.

I spent many a time cursing when that happened...and it's always long posts it happens to me on.

What i do if I think it might do that to me is hightlight what I wrote and right click, and then highlight copy. It it asks me to sign in, I do, then I go back to the message and the posting window and paste in what I wrote. 

That's one thing that really, really bugs me.

Sharon




  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "once_red78" <mcrudele78 at ...>
  wrote:
  >
  > For the second day in a row, I had just finished 
  > composing a long post, hit send, and got the page 
  > telling me my 24 hours had run out. I had to re-sign 
  > in to Yahoo and, Oh by the way, that long post...gone!!
  > Twice. ...
  >
  > Mike
  >

  Just out of curiousity Mike are you using email 
  or the Web interface?

  I've lost so many posts due to problems with Yahoo, 
  that I don't close the Tab (window) until after my 
  post has shown up. I keep hitting Reload until my 
  post appears in the thread list. 

  If you use the Web interface it may not have occurred 
  to you, but you can page Back a page or two and your 
  post will still be there. If it seems that Yahoo has 
  lost my post, I just page back, and hit send again.

  If you are using email, then a copy should be in the 
  SENT folder of your email program.

  It sounds like you are using the Web interface, that 
  is, going on-line and reading and posting on the
  HPforGrownups/HPFGU-OTChatter webpage. I use 
  Mozilla/Seamonkey Suite and sometimes Firefox which 
  allow new tabs to be opened; meaning I can open a 
  webpage in a single occurance of my browser, but have 
  tab across the top, one for each webpage I have open. 

  Typically, I have the main list in the first Tab, then 
  right click and open three new posts, each in their own 
  Tab, then I read and if necessary, reply to them. While 
  I am waiting I go back to the main Tab, and open more 
  posts. Periodically, I go back to the Tab in which I 
  have posted a reply, reload, if my reply appears in the 
  thread list, I close the Tab. If it doesn't, I page back 
  to my post edit window and send it again.

  If you use Internet Explorer, you can do the same thing, 
  but you have to open each post in a separate window. The 
  important thing is to NOT close the window or tab until 
  your post has appeared.

  I suspect, in your case, if you had hit the Back button, 
  you would have eventually come to your post, and could 
  have resent it.

  Just passing it along.

  Steve/bboyminn



   

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From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 22 22:34:26 2006
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (once_red78)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:34:26 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <265601c6c62e$468870e0$210110ac@621B10B>
Message-ID: <ecg0pi+olna@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:
> May I suggest that you open your word program and type everything
> there and then save it and cut and paste it to post. That is the
> easiest way so that you don't lose any thing. I learned that the  
> hard way myself.

Mike:
Yeah, I do that or use my yahoo!mail and save as draft for long 
posts that are not responses to threads, original posts. But how 
would you do this to get your post attached to a particular thread? 
Especially when you want to include the previous post and snip to 
insert your comments?


> "Sharon Hawkinson" <sweetnightingale at ...> wrote:
>
> Been there...done that. Not a fun thing.
> 
> I spent many a time cursing when that happened...and it's always 
> long posts it happens to me on.
> 
> What i do if I think it might do that to me is hightlight what I 
> wrote and right click, and then highlight copy. It it asks me to 
> sign in, I do, then I go back to the message and the posting 
> window and paste in what I wrote. 
> 
> That's one thing that really, really bugs me.

Mike:
That's an idea, but I'm not sure I'm cogniscent enough of the 
expiration time to remember to do this. I get so wrapped up in 
composing, re-writing, and editing that I'm not thinking about that 
stupid 24 hour rule.

BTW, I fired off a frustrated email to Yahoo asking them how kicking 
me out of my group was protecting my security. Pointless, I know, 
but it made me feel better.

>  Steve/bboyminn:
>   Just out of curiousity Mike are you using email 
>   or the Web interface?
> 
>   I've lost so many posts due to problems with Yahoo, 
>   that I don't close the Tab (window) until after my 
>   post has shown up. I keep hitting Reload until my 
>   post appears in the thread list. <snip>

Mike:
I'm using the Web interface, that is I'm composing on HP4GU "reply" 
page. What do you mean by "hitting Reload"? I use MS Explorer and I 
don't see a Reload icon.


>  Steve/bboyminn:
>   If you use the Web interface it may not have occurred 
>   to you, but you can page Back a page or two and your 
>   post will still be there. If it seems that Yahoo has 
>   lost my post, I just page back, and hit send again.

Mike:
Yeah, I tried that both times. Because I was composing on the site 
and there isn't any save function (that I know of) tha most I get is 
the original reply page prior to my modification.

>  Steve/bboyminn:
>   If you are using email, then a copy should be in the 
>   SENT folder of your email program.

Mike: Not a problem for me when I use my email.

>  Steve/bboyminn:
>   It sounds like you are using the Web interface, that 
>   is, going on-line and reading and posting on the
>   HPforGrownups/HPFGU-OTChatter webpage. I use 
>   Mozilla/Seamonkey Suite and sometimes Firefox which 
>   allow new tabs to be opened; meaning I can open a 
>   webpage in a single occurance of my browser, but have 
>   tab across the top, one for each webpage I have open. 

Mike:
I use MS Explorer and I have the same thing, tabs, and have multiple 
pages openned at the same time. As I'm typing this I have 3 HPfGU-
OTChatter pages and 2 HPforGrownups:Message pages open, plus my 
Yahoo mail.

> Steve/bboyminn:
>   Typically, I have the main list in the first Tab, then 
>   right click and open three new posts, each in their own 
>   Tab, then I read and if necessary, reply to them. While 
>   I am waiting I go back to the main Tab, and open more 
>   posts. Periodically, I go back to the Tab in which I 
>   have posted a reply, reload, if my reply appears in the 
>   thread list, I close the Tab. If it doesn't, I page back 
>   to my post edit window and send it again.

Mike:
I still don't understand "reload".

>  Steve/bboyminn:
>   If you use Internet Explorer, you can do the same thing, 
>   but you have to open each post in a separate window. The 
>   important thing is to NOT close the window or tab until 
>   your post has appeared.
> 
>   I suspect, in your case, if you had hit the Back button, 
>   you would have eventually come to your post, and could 
>   have resent it.

Mike:
Thanks everyone for your ideas.
 
I still would like to know how to add my ID and password to my 
homepage address line, if anyone knows how to do that. I work on my 
home computer and don't have to worry about someone getting in to my 
Yahoo account. Besides, there isn't anyhting in it to concern me if 
it got out. I don't bank online or anything like that.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 00:29:59 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:29:59 -0000
Subject: New "Driving Lessons" Trailer
Message-ID: <ecg7i7+d85a@eGroups.com>

There is a new Driving Lesson trailer, or at least one 
I've never seen before. It looks very good and shows more 
of Rupert's role.

This is a French website, just scroll down until you see 
a picture(icon) of Ruppert and at the bottom of that section, 
you will find three links. They are High Bandwidth, Medium 
Bandwidth, and Low Bandwidth.

The more I see of this movie, the better it looks.

I can't post a direct link because apperently this site 
will only allow you in through the /front door/.

http://www.universharrypotter.com/

Also, the movie now has its own website.

http://www.drivinglessonsthemovie.co.uk/

Steve/bboyminn








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 00:41:34 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:41:34 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <ecg0pi+olna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecg87u+fvhk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "once_red78" <mcrudele78 at ...>
wrote:
>...
> 
> > Steve/bboyminn:
> >   Typically, I have the main list in the first Tab, then 
> >   right click and open three new posts, each in their own 
> >   Tab, then I read and if necessary, reply to them. While 
> >   I am waiting I go back to the main Tab, and open more 
> >   posts. Periodically, I go back to the Tab in which I 
> >   have posted a reply, reload, if my reply appears in the 
> >   thread list, I close the Tab. If it doesn't, I page back 
> >   to my post edit window and send it again.
> 
> Mike:
> I still don't understand "reload".
> 

bboyminn:

I think in Internet Explorer it's called Refresh. With Seamonkey, I
can right-click and get a menu with 'Reload' that does literally that,
it causes the current webpage to refresh or re-load, or I can click on
the Circular Arrow Icon in the Menu bar and accomplish the same thing.


> 
> Mike:
> Thanks everyone for your ideas.
>  
> I still would like to know how to add my ID and password to my 
> homepage address line, if anyone knows how to do that. I work on my 
> home computer and don't have to worry about someone getting in to my 
> Yahoo account. Besides, there isn't anyhting in it to concern me if 
> it got out. I don't bank online or anything like that.
>

bboyminn:

Firefox and Seamonkey have a password manager that once programmed
will automatically enter your data to the text boxes when ever you
come to the log-in page. That's not exactly what you need but it might
help.

I know this can be done by some method because there are Yahoo Email
programs that will sign on and download all your email just like a POP
email account, but it is really just accessing the Yahoo Web
interface. Yahoo doesn't like it, but there is nothing they can do.

The point is, it is possible by some means to log-on in the
background, I just don't know what that means is.

Steve/bboyminn







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 02:44:33 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:44:33 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Sharon!
Message-ID: <ecgfeh+b7n7@eGroups.com>

*putters about the party room, tidying up from the last 2 parties and 
refreshing the decorations*

What? You're here already? 

*looks at the clock*

Oh my, I *am* running late, aren't I?

Today's birthday honouree is Sharon. Birthday owls can be sent care 
of this list or directly to Sharon at: sharon8880 at yahoo.com

We just need one more thing to make this party complete.

*turns up the music and lays out an array of sandwiches, drinks and a 
very large cake*

There, that should do the trick.

I hope your day brings everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Sharon!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 03:53:48 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:53:48 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <ecg0pi+olna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecgjgc+7n6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "once_red78" 
<mcrudele78 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Tonks:
> > May I suggest that you open your word program and type everything
> > there and then save it and cut and paste it to post. That is the
> > easiest way so that you don't lose any thing. I learned that the 
hard way myself.
> 
> Mike:
> Yeah, I do that or use my yahoo!mail and save as draft for long 
> posts that are not responses to threads, original posts. But how 
> would you do this to get your post attached to a particular 
thread?  Especially when you want to include the previous post and 
snip to insert your comments?
(snip)
> I'm using the Web interface, that is I'm composing on 
HP4GU "reply" page. What do you mean by "hitting Reload"? I use MS 
Explorer and I  don't see a Reload icon.

Tonks:
This is what you do. Open Word, take the part of the group message 
that you want to include and cut and paste it to Word. Then asnwer 
it in Word, spell check and all. And when you are done cut and past 
it back into the group message that you are going to "reply" to. Use 
Control + c to cut and Control + v to paste.

Reloading the page is the "refresh" button. It looks like a sheet of 
paper with green arrows on it. Just before the house "home" button. 
But that won't help you if you have lost the information. Sometimes 
the back button works, but trust me, the way I do it never fails. 

Also I use Yahoo too. And since I have many account I just sign in 
each time I come to the group, so you don't get any sympathy from me 
there. ;-)

Tonks_op








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 04:00:34 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:00:34 -0000
Subject: New "Driving Lessons" Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ecg7i7+d85a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecgjt2+imok@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> There is a new Driving Lesson trailer, or at least one 
> I've never seen before. It looks very good and shows more 
> of Rupert's role.
> 
Tonks:
What!!  He doesn't have time for that. Get busy on the HP movie young 
man!!!!!!!!  No doing other movies until you have finished #7. Every 
waking moment he and all of them should be working on those movies. We 
want more, more, and we want them now. ;-)

Tonks_op







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 14:34:57 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] New "Driving Lessons" Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ecg7i7+d85a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060823143457.10469.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com>

Kemper:
   
  It does look good.  Kind of reminds me of one of my all time favorites: Harold and Maude.  Grint and Walters love, however, seems platonic, or at least not romantic.  This is preferable after watching them act in the Potter films, portraying familial love for one another.
   
  I look forward to watching this movie.  I've always felt Grint is the better actor among the trio.
   
  Kemper
   
  
Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
          There is a new Driving Lesson trailer, or at least one 
I've never seen before. It looks very good and shows more 
of Rupert's role.

This is a French website, just scroll down until you see 
a picture(icon) of Ruppert and at the bottom of that section, 
you will find three links. They are High Bandwidth, Medium 
Bandwidth, and Low Bandwidth.

The more I see of this movie, the better it looks.

I can't post a direct link because apperently this site 
will only allow you in through the /front door/.

http://www.universharrypotter.com/

Also, the movie now has its own website.

http://www.drivinglessonsthemovie.co.uk/

Steve/bboyminn



         

 		
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
 Everyone is raving about the  all-new Yahoo! Mail.

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From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 02:00:17 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:00:17 -0000
Subject: Yahoo sign-in
In-Reply-To: <ecg0pi+olna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecgcrh+h86m@eGroups.com>


> > Tonks:
> > May I suggest that you open your word program and type everything
> > there and then save it and cut and paste it to post. 
> 
> Mike:
> Yeah, I do that or use my yahoo!mail and save as draft for long 
> posts that are not responses to threads, original posts. But how 
> would you do this to get your post attached to a particular thread? 
> Especially when you want to include the previous post and snip to 
> insert your comments?

zgirnius:
Hit the reply button. The text of the post to which you are 
responding appears in the window. Highlight it with your mouse, hit 
Control-C to copy, then paste into Word (or notepad also works). You 
can do all your snipping and writing in Word (notepad), then when you 
are done, highlight the entire Word file, hit control-C to copy, and 
then paste it back into the HPFGU window right oevr the original text 
there. Then submit. If it disappears, you can again reply to the 
original message, and again just paste in the text from the saved 
Word or other file. I do this anytime I get long-winded (like 
now :D). Because aside from the evil log-in message, sometimes 
yahoomort just eats messages for no apparent reason...

> Mike:
> I still would like to know how to add my ID and password to my 
> homepage address line, if anyone knows how to do that. I work on my 
> home computer and don't have to worry about someone getting in to 
my 
> Yahoo account. Besides, there isn't anyhting in it to concern me if 
> it got out. I don't bank online or anything like that.

zgirnius:
No idea, sorry.







From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 23 19:04:05 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:04:05 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
Message-ID: <eci8r5+8khp@eGroups.com>

Yeah, I know. I will probably be looking for a long time :) Not many 
people manage to read it in the original in high school, so I cannot 
be too hopeful for the translation.

But, hey, I will ask anyways, it is one of my favorite books of all 
time, so I am curious about certain translation thingy.

It is just so happened that we touched as to who read *War and peace* 
with my coworkers and I said that I love this book, the only thing is 
that when I read it second time, I did not bother to read some of 
footnotes translations from french, starting from the conversations 
in the saloon of Anna Pavlovna Sherer.

Soooo, my coworker looks at me and asks (in a very nice and funny 
way, don't get me wrong)

You, show - off, you read it in French too? I stare at him and answer 
that no, I did not read it in French, I don't speak French at all, 
but Tolstoy put in some French conversations (not much, but some in   
the beginning) to show that before Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812, 
Russian nobility loved French, many of them were fluent in French and 
between themselves often spoke in French more often than in Russian.

He tells me that English translation does not have French sentences 
in, everything is translated in English, but he did not remember for 
sure.

Is that true, if anybody remembers? I will of course go check it out 
myself, but maybe I don't have to bother.

If this is true, it reminds me of renaming *Philosopher stone* for 
some reasons.

I mean, really, there was a reason why Tolstoy, whose language I love 
( Russian I mean) left in some french sentences and translated them 
on footnotes.

Thematic sense I mean.

Thanks guys,

Alla








From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 24 01:31:17 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:31:17 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
In-Reply-To: <eci8r5+8khp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecivh5+d1cl@eGroups.com>

Alla:
> He tells me that English translation does not have French sentences 
> in, everything is translated in English, but he did not remember 
for 
> sure.
> 
> Is that true, if anybody remembers? I will of course go check it 
out 
> myself, but maybe I don't have to bother.
> 

zgirnius:
The English translation I most recently read included some French. I 
couldn't say whether it was all of the French dialogue which should 
have been there, though, or just a little to suggest the Russian 
aristocrats of the time spoke French and considered this very 
sophisticated of themselves. Unfortunately it was a library book, so 
I could not tell you what edition, who the translator was, etc.

But I agree it should be handled the same way it appears to have been 
handled in the Russian edition you read (with translations of the 
French in footnotes for those readers who do not read French.)

I wonder how this is handled in French translations...







From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 24 12:06:46 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:06:46 -0000
Subject: New "Driving Lessons" Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ecgjt2+imok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eck4om+pmth@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:

> Tonks:
> What!!  He doesn't have time for that. Get busy on the HP movie 
young 
> man!!!!!!!!  No doing other movies until you have finished #7. Every 
> waking moment he and all of them should be working on those movies. 
We 
> want more, more, and we want them now. ;-)
> 
> Tonks_op
>
 maria8162001:
 :-) LOL, you're too hard on them Tonks, :-) give them a break. they 
need it or else they might go bananas like us(lists members of this 
group and the other HPFGU groups) if all they will do is work on HP 
movies.

maria8162001







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 24 14:48:22 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:48:22 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes x 3!
Message-ID: <ecke7m+djlh@eGroups.com>

Ah, I see *you* didn't forget about yesterday's celebrations, it was 
just me. Mind you, the least you guys could have done was tidy up 
after yourselves. This place is a mess!

*scurries about, clearing up empty glasses, broken plates, burst 
balloons*

Are you all still willing to party now that I've finally arrived? 
Good, let me bring in more food and refresh the decorations.

*blows up more balloons, straightens the sagging streamers and 
fetches more food and drink*

That ought to hold us for a while. :)

Yesterday's birthday honourees were Abbie (starling823), Mike Gray 
(Aberforth's Goat) and ~Joy~ (someone else I got to meet very briefly 
at Lumos!). Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this group or 
directly to Abbie at: starling823 at yahoo.com ; to Mike at: 
mike at aberforthsgoat.net ; and to ~Joy~ at: jwelan at gmail.com

I hope all of you had magical days filled with fun, food and company 
of good friends.

Happy Birthday, Abbie!
Happy Birthday, Mike!
Happy Birthday, Joy!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who only explanation for tardiness is 
falling asleep after work last night :)






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 24 21:36:18 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:36:18 -0000
Subject: Question about Word Wrap and Message Formatting.
Message-ID: <ecl64i+q8fn@eGroups.com>

I've alway had problems with Word Wrap when reading messages/posts
on-line, but it has been absolutely terrible since they started the
new format.

If others are having this problem, then we can maybe write to Yahoo
and get them to fix it. If it's just me,...then I guess it's just me.

Here is what a typical message looks like when I read it on line. The
End of Line Breaks were forced to match what I see when I read that post.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -
While I generally agree with what is being said here, I want 
to bring
in a point of clarification.

We seem to be assuming that Death Eaters and Voldemort 
Supporters are
one and the same thing. Certainly Death Eaters are 
Voldemort
Supporters, but Voldemort supporters are not necessarily 
Death Eaters.

I believe true 'branded' Death Eaters are very few. Best 
guess, maybe
50 to perhaps an unlikely 100 in number.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

 
Yahoo seems to think Word Wrap should occur somewhere around character
70 on a line, when in reality, it should be closer to character 60.

It really makes in difficult to read messages when the lines are all
broken up like this.

I will point out the I use 800x600 resolution, and a fairly large
font; Courier New and visually slightly larger than normal 12 point
type face. Unfortunately, I think Yahoo's style sheet is overriding my
font setting and forcing it's own size.

So, anyone else have this annoying problem?

Steve/bboyminn








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Aug 24 22:38:53 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:38:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question about Word Wrap and Message Formatting.
In-Reply-To: <ecl64i+q8fn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6c7ce$143e5ea0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Steve,

I had no problem reading the example you sent.  Of course, I don't do much
webmail, preferring to receive my messages because online stuff is more like
a maze sometimes and detracts from my reading experience.

I don't know what browser you're using, but you might want to go into the
tools menu, then options, and see if there's a way to keep the browser from
using their style.  (Write me off list if you want and I can try to help.)

Another thing you can do is ensure that your screen is maximized; I won't
guarantee this will help, but it's a plausibility.

Most pages, I believe, are fashioned for 1024 pics; I know that Art
sometimes has similar issues because he knocks his DPI to exceptionally huge
(custom setting).

Good luck!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri Aug 25 04:27:30 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:27:30 -0000
Subject: Question about Word Wrap and Message Formatting.
In-Reply-To: <ecl64i+q8fn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eclu7i+15bv@eGroups.com>

Steve, I was able to duplicate your wrapping problem by either making
the browser window narrower or by increasing the font size in the
browser settings. Messages look mostly ok if I've got the window
maximized and the font at the normal setting; of course I've got a
higher screen resolution too.

Since you have noticed a change, I wonder if the new format gives more
space to the sidebar info? When a window is narrowed, it is the
message body display area that loses width (although if it gets down
to 40 characters a horizontal scroll bar kicks in). 

But anyway, if the line breaks in the message are at, say 60
characters, and the area alotted for the message display is at 50,
you'll get a "comb" effect like you are seeing. The line breaks could
be put in by the sender's email client or they could be a byproduct of
Yahoo dealing with converting HTML to text (or vice versa) or dealing
with format=flowed; I really don't know much about all those things
except that somehow it never seems to quite work as well as we want it
to here!  

As far as a workaround, for whatever reason, "expanded view" doesn't
seem to try to rewrap the lines to fit the window, so it might work
better for you. Instead of restricting the width of the message area,
it makes the, er, frame? (not sure of the proper term) larger so
everything fits even if that means the window needs a horizotal scroll
bar.

(I wonder if the new format fixes the issue where some messages are
displayed with no wrap at all - each paragraph on one super long line.) 

By the way, I'm using Firefox, with the Adblock extension - which
makes the Yahoo interface much nicer. 

Elisabet, hoping this text wrapping issue gets worked out in her
lifetime...






From mskeshaffer at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 25 15:24:35 2006
From: mskeshaffer at earthlink.net (Martha Shaffer)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:24:35 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] wordwrap
References: <1156513073.2575.60077.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c6c85a$92e79460$0401a8c0@slughorn>

You can always reset your yahoo groups to display email in the original 
format.  You need to do it from the preferences page for each group you 
belong to.  Martha 




From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri Aug 25 17:58:16 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:58:16 -0000
Subject: wordwrap
In-Reply-To: <008e01c6c85a$92e79460$0401a8c0@slughorn>
Message-ID: <ecndno+erm8@eGroups.com>

Martha wrote:

>You can always reset your yahoo groups to display email in the original 
>format.  You need to do it from the preferences page for each group you 
>belong to.  Martha

Unfortunately, the issue Steve is having is in the web interface
(viewing messages at the group website, rather than through email) so
changing the email settings doesn't help. At least it doesn't in my
case; my settings are for "traditional" format for email and I still
have the line wrap issue when viewing messages on the web site.*

*When the window is narrowed and/or the text size is increased. Except
in expanded list view, which seems to keep a fixed number of
characters for the message display width, and reverts to a horizontal
scrollbar if the page is too wide for the window rather than shrinking
the message display width and wrapping the lines. Anyway, that's how
it's behaving in my browser.

Elisabet







From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri Aug 25 20:41:42 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:41:42 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
In-Reply-To: <ecivh5+d1cl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecnna6+3m9f@eGroups.com>

Zigurnius, while musing about the purpose of the French dialog in War
and Peace, wrote:
> I wonder how this is handled in French translations...

So does Umberto Eco, who seems to be in agreement with zgirnius that
the content of the French dialog isn't nearly as important as the fact
that the characters are speaking French as opposed to Russian:
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_guardian94.html

Great article, by the way, for anyone who is interested in translation
issues in general. And to pull it back to an HP topic, JKR has
remarked about the weirdness of the Italian translation of the books
renaming Dumbledore "Professor Silencio" - completely misreading the
authors intent, which was for Dumbedore's name to echo the idea of a
bumblebee humming as he goes about.  Eco talks about similar issues
that have come up in translations of his own books.

In answer to Alla's question, yes, there is a very recent translation
of War and Peace which translated all the French dialog into English. 

I can't remember which translation I read several years ago - or make
that translation*s*, as we changed books at some point because the
baby was working from the front tearing off pages just a bit faster
than we were progressing toward the end... what with my constantly
falling asleep mid-chapter and having to go back and re-read parts I
missed (my husband was reading it aloud to me) our pace was a bit slow. 

In any case, the French was there; some of the phrases of French
dialog at the front were footnoted but I don't think it was completely
translated; I think there may have been longer passages that were
translated into English in their entirety. I believe that was the case
in both editions we were using, which were different translations
although I don't remember which.

For the record, War and Peace was one of the greatest reading
experiences I've ever had. I just wish I'd been more awake for it all.
 :-)

Elisabet, who wants to read War and Peace again soon






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 01:58:04 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:58:04 -0400
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
Message-ID: <1a2738400608251858k527fa627ve6201fadd479e717@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it's 'vid on crack'... but then again, I wasn't the person who
animated chipmunks in harem girl outfits, dancing with snakes (but not
on a plane), singing 'getting lucky'... Ironically, I saw this movie
in the theater, gah, I was 8 or 9-ish years of age back then.

Okay, who can trump the audio collection by actually having the
Chipmunk Adventure soundtrack?  And can rip an audio track for me,
please?  It's Getting Lucky.  I really don't want to plunk down money
for the entire soundtrack just for a crack vid and iTunes doesn't have
the individual songs that I could find.  If need be, I'll rent the DVD
and butcher the song from there.

Dina



From illyana at mindspring.com  Sat Aug 26 02:44:49 2006
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:44:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608251858k527fa627ve6201fadd479e717@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400608251858k527fa627ve6201fadd479e717@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D633008-950A-4212-98EE-326FA0FD7DDE@mindspring.com>

wish i could help - does the soundtrack even exist? i just bought the  
DVD; i've been waiting for years for that damn thing to come out.  
anyway, the point of this post is to say that the song you should  
really be looking for is "diamond dolls" - that's the real gem of the  
movie (i am so serious).

illyana

On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Dina Lerret wrote:

> Yes, it's 'vid on crack'... but then again, I wasn't the person who
> animated chipmunks in harem girl outfits, dancing with snakes (but not
> on a plane), singing 'getting lucky'... Ironically, I saw this movie
> in the theater, gah, I was 8 or 9-ish years of age back then.
>
> Okay, who can trump the audio collection by actually having the
> Chipmunk Adventure soundtrack?  And can rip an audio track for me,
> please?  It's Getting Lucky.  I really don't want to plunk down money
> for the entire soundtrack just for a crack vid and iTunes doesn't have
> the individual songs that I could find.  If need be, I'll rent the DVD
> and butcher the song from there.
>
> Dina
>
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From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 03:13:45 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:13:45 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
In-Reply-To: <ecnna6+3m9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecoe99+qskn@eGroups.com>

Elisabet:
> So does Umberto Eco, who seems to be in agreement with zgirnius that
> the content of the French dialog isn't nearly as important as the fact
> that the characters are speaking French as opposed to Russian:
> http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_guardian94.html

zgirnius:
I am in good company!

Thanks for the link, by the way, it was a very interesting read.

--zgirnius, who has actually read translations of War and Peace into 
two languages (neither of them French :D).







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Aug 26 03:36:12 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:36:12 -0400
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <5D633008-950A-4212-98EE-326FA0FD7DDE@mindspring.com>
References: <1a2738400608251858k527fa627ve6201fadd479e717@mail.gmail.com>
	 <5D633008-950A-4212-98EE-326FA0FD7DDE@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400608252036s540f91f5u2562d5eac47033ad@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/25/06, illyana delorean <illyana at mindspring.com> wrote:
> wish i could help - does the soundtrack even exist? i just bought the

I know Amazon.com has it listed, along with sample song snippets.


> DVD; i've been waiting for years for that damn thing to come out.
> anyway, the point of this post is to say that the song you should
> really be looking for is "diamond dolls" - that's the real gem of the
> movie (i am so serious).

Actually, that is my favorite. :-)  I already found a copy.  However,
the vid would seriously be 'crack is whack' with Getting Lucky... And
someone pointed me to the right *coughfilesharecough* place where I
found a copy of Getting Lucky!  I tried a few 'unauthorized' venues
and couldn't find it.

One of those *classic* 1980s cartoon movies!

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 26 15:22:28 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:22:28 -0000
Subject: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!
Message-ID: <ecpovk+tmon@eGroups.com>

*looks up from her frenzied decorating activities to see a full crowd 
waiting at the door*

Yes, I do seem to be a day late and a dollar short this week, don't 
I? Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in RL this weekend 
and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been hard to tear 
myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!

Anyway, on to the festivities. Let me just get the food. I'm sure one 
of our lovely list members will volunteer to take care of the music.

*brings in a trolley laden with nibblies, drinks and a very large 
cake*

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Serenadust(Jo). Belated birthday 
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Serenadust at: 
jmmears at comcast.net

I hope your day was magical and brought everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Serenadust!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf (who really is spending the weekend with 
scantily clad men, volunteering at Pride Week's Leatherfest <vbg>)






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 04:16:05 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:16:05 -0000
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608252036s540f91f5u2562d5eac47033ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com>

> Dina:
> One of those *classic* 1980s cartoon movies!
> 

Tonks:
Classic 80's?????  Cartoon?

Enlighten me. The only Chipmunks I know is Alvin and the Chipmunks. I 
take it that this has nothing to do with them.

*Classic* 80??  Sorry, to me anything Classic's is before 1950. As in 
Classic Movies. So bring me up to date. Thanks.

Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 04:23:07 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:23:07 -0000
Subject: Scantily Clad Men
In-Reply-To: <ecpovk+tmon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecr6nb+fm11@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sheryll Townsend" <s_ings at ...> 
wrote:
>
Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in RL this weekend 
> and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been hard to tear 
> myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!
> (Snip)
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf (who really is spending the weekend with 
> scantily clad men, volunteering at Pride Week's Leatherfest <vbg>)

Tonks:
Oh, my!!  And they say elves are all work and no play. Leatherfest??? 
Oh my!!! Maybe more than we want to know. ;-)  lol.

Tonks_op 







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 05:08:37 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:08:37 -0400
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400608252036s540f91f5u2562d5eac47033ad@mail.gmail.com>
	 <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400608262208p13eaad60g4b83b287d8e1e7c8@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/27/06, Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dina:
> > One of those *classic* 1980s cartoon movies!
> >
>
> Tonks:
> Classic 80's?????  Cartoon?
>
> Enlighten me. The only Chipmunks I know is Alvin and the Chipmunks. I
> take it that this has nothing to do with them.

It's Alvin and the Chipmunks. :-)  When I reference 'classic', it's of
the same gist as saying seeing Katie Couric with this *big* smile is a
'classic' Katie Couric smile.  'Classic', even by dictionary
definition, can be something representative--in this case, the 1980s
cartoon movie genre.  Classical art of the Greco-Roman period... is
*representative* of its era.


> *Classic* 80??  Sorry, to me anything Classic's is before 1950. As in
> Classic Movies. So bring me up to date. Thanks.

I think that's why folks reference an approximate time period when
they say 'classic' because 'classical' is expanding as the decades
roll by. {g}

Dina



From wuff at internode.on.net  Sun Aug 27 08:22:49 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:22:49 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for
 vid?
In-Reply-To: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>

Tonks wrote:
>> Dina:
>> One of those *classic* 1980s cartoon movies!
>>
> 
> Tonks:
> Classic 80's?????  Cartoon?
> 
> Enlighten me. The only Chipmunks I know is Alvin and the Chipmunks. I 
> take it that this has nothing to do with them.
> 
> *Classic* 80??  Sorry, to me anything Classic's is before 1950. As in 
> Classic Movies. So bring me up to date. Thanks.

I'm the 80s guru here, but I don't remember a chipmunks other than
Alvin and his friends, which I consider a 70s thing anyway.

Wolfie! [ex-radio announcer and avid record collector at the time]



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 27 13:40:39 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:40:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Scantily Clad Men
In-Reply-To: <ecr6nb+fm11@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060827134039.93078.qmail@web56013.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sheryll
> Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in
> RL this weekend 
> > and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been
> hard to tear 
> > myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!
> > (Snip)
> > Sheryll the Birthday Elf (who really is spending
> the weekend with 
> > scantily clad men, volunteering at Pride Week's
> Leatherfest <vbg>)
> 
> Tonks:
> Oh, my!!  And they say elves are all work and no
> play. Leatherfest??? 
> Oh my!!! Maybe more than we want to know. ;-)  lol.
> 
Sheryll again:

Actually, Tonks, it was work. Of the volunteer sort.
My friend Alex is a former reigning Mr. Leather
Ottawa-Hull and he was the planner of this event. When
it came to finding volunteers, he naturally chose
people he knew that are involved in the leather
community or involved with Pride. I used to be on
Pride's Board of Directors for a number of years, so
I'm a familiar face in the GLBT community here. I was
tallymaster for last night's competition and it was my
job to total up the judges scores and determine the
winners. :)

Lots of fun, really. And as tallymaster I got a little
thank you - a 2007 HP calendar. Alex is thoughtful
that way, finding the right little gifts for people.

Funny that you should use the words "more than we want
to know". A number of years ago Alex's partner Paul
said I should write a book about my experiences with
Pride and the GLBT community in general. He said I
should call it "More Information Than I Needed to
Know"! Everytime I'm with them and I'm in an unusual
situation, Paul will ask if that's another chapter in
the book. :)

Sheryll, who can't ever say life around here is boring!

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From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Sun Aug 27 15:41:37 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:41:37 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com> <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1156693302.18374005@fc5.dngr.org>


On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 5:57am, Wolfie! wrote:
> Tonks wrote:
>>>  Dina:
>>>  One of those *classic* 1980s cartoon movies!
>>>
>>
>>  Tonks:
>>  Classic 80's????? Cartoon?
>>
>>  Enlighten me. The only Chipmunks I know is Alvin and the Chipmunks. I
>>  take it that this has nothing to do with them.
>>
>>  *Classic* 80?? Sorry, to me anything Classic's is before 1950. As in
>>  Classic Movies. So bring me up to date. Thanks.
>
> I'm the 80s guru here, but I don't remember a chipmunks other than
> Alvin and his friends, which I consider a 70s thing anyway.
>
> Wolfie! [ex-radio announcer and avid record collector at the time]

Oh I absolutely remenber the chipettes and esp the movie!

They were the female equlivent of the chipmunks.

Alvin = Brittney (keep me honest here people, its been awhile)
Simon = Elenor
Theodore = ... (The chunky little blonde one.. What was her name?)

Trying to help,
Monica

>
> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 16:31:35 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:31:35 -0400
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1156693302.18374005@fc5.dngr.org>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com> <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>
	 <1156693302.18374005@fc5.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <1a2738400608270931p6ee9378fp7991ff138a94a41f@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/27/06, Monica Boukhalfa <monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com> wrote:

> They were the female equlivent of the chipmunks.
>
> Alvin = Brittney (keep me honest here people, its been awhile)
> Simon = Elenor
> Theodore = ... (The chunky little blonde one.. What was her name?)

:-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092752/

Eleanor was the cute chunky blonde. {g}

I'm amused by one IMDB review comment RE: songs: "I'm still equally as
impressed today with the musical numbers, each one a standout song
with wonderfully dramatic lyrics in the epic tradition of 80's pop
(think Pat Benetar on helium, only catchier)."

LOL!

Dina



From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Sun Aug 27 17:07:18 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:07:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608270931p6ee9378fp7991ff138a94a41f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com> <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net> <1a2738400608270931p6ee9378fp7991ff138a94a41f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1156698445.16892E7D@fd6.dngr.org>


On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:38am, Dina Lerret wrote:
> On 8/27/06, Monica Boukhalfa <monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com 
> [mailto:monicaboukhalfa%40tmail.com]> wrote:
>
>>  They were the female equlivent of the chipmunks.
>>
>>  Alvin = Brittney (keep me honest here people, its been awhile)
>>  Simon = Elenor
>>  Theodore = ... (The chunky little blonde one.. What was her name?)
>
> :-) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092752/ 
> [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092752/]
>
> Eleanor was the cute chunky blonde. {g}
>
> I'm amused by one IMDB review comment RE: songs: "I'm still equally as
> impressed today with the musical numbers, each one a standout song
> with wonderfully dramatic lyrics in the epic tradition of 80's pop
> (think Pat Benetar on helium, only catchier)."
>
> LOL!
>
> Dina

Who was the brunett then?

-Monica

>
> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 17:19:20 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:19:20 -0400
Subject: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1156698445.16892E7D@fd6.dngr.org>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com> <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>
	 <1a2738400608270931p6ee9378fp7991ff138a94a41f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1156698445.16892E7D@fd6.dngr.org>
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On 8/27/06, Monica Boukhalfa <monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com> wrote:

> Who was the brunett then?

Jeanette was the brunette (hey, that kinda rhymes) wearing glasses
(i.e. Simon's female counterpart).

Dina



From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sun Aug 27 17:20:05 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:20:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
In-Reply-To: <1156698445.16892E7D@fd6.dngr.org>
References: <ecr6a5+f8c2@eGroups.com> <44F15659.1090609@internode.on.net>
	 <1a2738400608270931p6ee9378fp7991ff138a94a41f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1156698445.16892E7D@fd6.dngr.org>
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> Who was the brunett then?
>
> -Monica

I want to say the last Chippette is Jeanette Miller, and I'm fairly
certain I'm right, but that name doesn't seem to suit her somehow.  Oh
well.

~Ali



From agdisney at msn.com  Sun Aug 27 17:57:02 2006
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:57:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have it!!  Anyone have Chipmunks Adv soundtrack for vid?
References: <1a2738400608251858k527fa627ve6201fadd479e717@mail.gmail.com> <5D633008-950A-4212-98EE-326FA0FD7DDE@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV47D0797FCF023D85F952ACF3B0@phx.gbl>

My son actually has the VHS movie "The Chipmunk Adventure".  I don't 
know what you actually want from it but if I can copy it for you I will.
You can email me off list if you want.

Andie


  wish i could help - does the soundtrack even exist? i just bought the 
  DVD; i've been waiting for years for that damn thing to come out. 
  anyway, the point of this post is to say that the song you should 
  really be looking for is "diamond dolls" - that's the real gem of the 
  movie (i am so serious).

  illyana

  On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Dina Lerret wrote:

  > Yes, it's 'vid on crack'... but then again, I wasn't the person who
  > animated chipmunks in harem girl outfits, dancing with snakes (but not
  > on a plane), singing 'getting lucky'... Ironically, I saw this movie
  > in the theater, gah, I was 8 or 9-ish years of age back then.
  >
  > Okay, who can trump the audio collection by actually having the
  > Chipmunk Adventure soundtrack? And can rip an audio track for me,
  > please? It's Getting Lucky. I really don't want to plunk down money
  > for the entire soundtrack just for a crack vid and iTunes doesn't have
  > the individual songs that I could find. If need be, I'll rent the DVD
  > and butcher the song from there.
  >
  > Dina
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 17:19:19 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:19:19 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
In-Reply-To: <ecoe99+qskn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecv8in+h4mg@eGroups.com>

> Elisabet:
> > So does Umberto Eco, who seems to be in agreement with zgirnius that
> > the content of the French dialog isn't nearly as important as the 
fact
> > that the characters are speaking French as opposed to Russian:
> > http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_guardian94.html
> 
> zgirnius:
> I am in good company!
> 
> Thanks for the link, by the way, it was a very interesting read.
> 
> --zgirnius, who has actually read translations of War and Peace into 
> two languages (neither of them French :D).

Alla:

Indeed. :)
Also just thanking for the link.








From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 28 17:30:25 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:30:25 -0000
Subject: Question for those who likes "War and peace"
In-Reply-To: <ecnna6+3m9f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecv97h+v76f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kkersey_austin" 
<kkersey at ...> wrote:
>> So does Umberto Eco, who seems to be in agreement with zgirnius 
that
> the content of the French dialog isn't nearly as important as the 
fact
> that the characters are speaking French as opposed to Russian:
> http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_guardian94.html

Alla:

Oh, great. I just replied thanking for the link and missed your post 
itself. Ugh. So, I find it fascinating and thank you again :)

I guess my colleague was right - the translation he read was fully 
translated in English. I am still confused as to why it could not 
have done as Tolstoy did, hehe, namely put English translation in the 
footnote.

 
> Great article, by the way, for anyone who is interested in 
translation
> issues in general. And to pull it back to an HP topic, JKR has
> remarked about the weirdness of the Italian translation of the books
> renaming Dumbledore "Professor Silencio" - completely misreading the
> authors intent, which was for Dumbedore's name to echo the idea of a
> bumblebee humming as he goes about.  Eco talks about similar issues
> that have come up in translations of his own books.

Alla:

Erm... it is remarkable that you want to put it back on topic, 
hehe :), but just for future reference, you don't have to :-) That is 
why off topic list exists, as far as I am concerned ( speaking for 
myself only).

 
> In answer to Alla's question, yes, there is a very recent 
translation
> of War and Peace which translated all the French dialog into 
English. 

Alla:

I see.

 
> For the record, War and Peace was one of the greatest reading
> experiences I've ever had. I just wish I'd been more awake for it 
all.
>  :-)
> 
> Elisabet, who wants to read War and Peace again soon
>

Alla:

LOL, I will acknowledge that there are some lengthy descriptions 
there, but the characters, the characters IMO are sooo fascinating.

Thanks again.







From jmmears at comcast.net  Mon Aug 28 22:44:13 2006
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:44:13 -0000
Subject: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!
In-Reply-To: <ecpovk+tmon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ecvrjt+jm2r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sheryll Townsend" 
<s_ings at ...> wrote:
>
Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in RL this weekend 
> and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been hard to tear 
> myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!

<VBEG>
That's possibly the most entertaining excuse for tardiness I've ever 
seen (although at first, I thought you'd finally located some sort of 
Alan Rickman "art" films).

Thanks for the good wishes!

Jo S.







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 02:19:32 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:19:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!
In-Reply-To: <ecvrjt+jm2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060829021932.62856.qmail@web56009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Sheryll:
> >
> Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in
> RL this weekend 
> > and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been
> hard to tear 
> > myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!
> 
Jo:
> <VBEG>
> That's possibly the most entertaining excuse for
> tardiness I've ever 
> seen (although at first, I thought you'd finally
> located some sort of 
> Alan Rickman "art" films).
> 
> Thanks for the good wishes!
> 
Sheryll again:

I only *wish* I'd found some sort of Alan Rickman
"art" films. Of course, I'd then have to share them
around. I know lots of people here who'd never forgive
me if I kept something like that to myself. :)

Sadly, my time with scantily clad men was much less
exciting. Just being tallymaster for this year's
Leatherfest competition. 

Sheryll

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From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Tue Aug 29 02:37:23 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:37:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!
In-Reply-To: <20060829021932.62856.qmail@web56009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20060829021932.62856.qmail@web56009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1156819050.B035B1D@be12.dngr.org>


On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 8:19pm, Sheryll Townsend wrote:
> Sheryll:
>>  >
>>  Sorry, Jo, I just seem to have gotten caught up in
>>  RL this weekend
>>  > and since it involves scantily clad men, it's been
>>  hard to tear
>>  > myself away. No, really, I'm not kidding!
>>
> Jo:
>>  <VBEG>
>>  That's possibly the most entertaining excuse for
>>  tardiness I've ever
>>  seen (although at first, I thought you'd finally
>>  located some sort of
>>  Alan Rickman "art" films).
>>
>>  Thanks for the good wishes!
>>
> Sheryll again:
>
> I only *wish* I'd found some sort of Alan Rickman
> "art" films. Of course, I'd then have to share them
> around. I know lots of people here who'd never forgive
> me if I kept something like that to myself. :)
>
> Sadly, my time with scantily clad men was much less
> exciting. Just being tallymaster for this year's
> Leatherfest competition.
>
> Sheryll

Monica:

Ok hold on here. What exacly is a tallymaster and what is the 
leatherfest?

Ease-droppingly,
Monica


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 03:03:11 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:03:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tallymasters and more: (was - Re: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!)
In-Reply-To: <1156819050.B035B1D@be12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20060829030312.77193.qmail@web56007.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sheryll:
> >
> > I only *wish* I'd found some sort of Alan Rickman
> > "art" films. Of course, I'd then have to share
> them
> > around. I know lots of people here who'd never
> forgive
> > me if I kept something like that to myself. :)
> >
> > Sadly, my time with scantily clad men was much
> less
> > exciting. Just being tallymaster for this year's
> > Leatherfest competition.
> >
> 
> Monica:
> 
> Ok hold on here. What exacly is a tallymaster and
> what is the 
> leatherfest?
> 
Sheryll:

Leatherfest is the weekend long celebration for
members of the leather community as part of Pride Week
here. Saturday night was the Mr. and Ms. Ontario
Olympus competition for members of the leather
community. The tallymaster is the person who adds up
the judges scores for the competition and determines
who the winners are. 

Hope that helps,

Sheryll

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From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Tue Aug 29 03:09:44 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:09:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tallymasters and more: (was - Re: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!)
In-Reply-To: <20060829030312.77193.qmail@web56007.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20060829030312.77193.qmail@web56007.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1156820992.1AD3BC95@fc8.dngr.org>


On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 9:07pm, Sheryll Townsend wrote:
> Sheryll:
>>  >
>>  > I only *wish* I'd found some sort of Alan Rickman
>>  > "art" films. Of course, I'd then have to share
>>  them
>>  > around. I know lots of people here who'd never
>>  forgive
>>  > me if I kept something like that to myself. :)
>>  >
>>  > Sadly, my time with scantily clad men was much
>>  less
>>  > exciting. Just being tallymaster for this year's
>>  > Leatherfest competition.
>>  >
>>
>>  Monica:
>>
>>  Ok hold on here. What exacly is a tallymaster and
>>  what is the
>>  leatherfest?
>>
> Sheryll:
>
> Leatherfest is the weekend long celebration for
> members of the leather community as part of Pride Week
> here. Saturday night was the Mr. and Ms. Ontario
> Olympus competition for members of the leather
> community. The tallymaster is the person who adds up
> the judges scores for the competition and determines
> who the winners are.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Sheryll

Ok that's fantastic.
And how did you get this job?
..is this a Canada only thing? ... I need a new job.
-Monica

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 03:20:41 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:20:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tallymasters and more: (was - Re: Belated Happy Birthday, Serenadust!)
In-Reply-To: <1156820992.1AD3BC95@fc8.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20060829032041.99240.qmail@web56002.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

> > Sheryll:
> >
> > Leatherfest is the weekend long celebration for
> > members of the leather community as part of Pride
> Week
> > here. Saturday night was the Mr. and Ms. Ontario
> > Olympus competition for members of the leather
> > community. The tallymaster is the person who adds
> up
> > the judges scores for the competition and
> determines
> > who the winners are.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
Monica:
> 
> Ok that's fantastic.
> And how did you get this job?
> ..is this a Canada only thing? ... I need a new job.

Sheryll again:

It's not really a job, just a volunteer thing for the
weekend - meet and greet on Friday, seminars and
competition on Saturday. Oh, and there was a launch
party for the event a few weeks ago.

This particular event is local, but there are lots of
similar events across Canada and the US. It's only a
small event compared to the Mr. Leather Ottawa-Hull
that takes place here in November, though that event
is obviously men only.

I really got roped into the job, albeit willingly. My
friend Alex was the event organiser and asked me to
help out. I learned a long time ago that if
volunteering for things gets me free food, I'm pretty
likely to agree to do it. The launch and meet and
greet had food. :D

Sheryll

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 29 16:22:30 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:22:30 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Dee!
Message-ID: <ed1pk6+5lp1@eGroups.com>

*puts the finishes touches on the streamers and balloons and looks up 
to see a crowd gathered at the door*

Wow, this really is party crowd, isn't it. Just past noon and raring to 
go! Let me turn on the music and get us some refreshments.

*cranks up the tunes and brings in nibblies, drinks and very tall 
birthday cake*

Today's birthday honouree is Dee (gypsycaine) who, iirc, has been 
around HPFGU even longer than I have and remembers back when we were 
just a handful of people on a single list. :) Birthday owls can be sent 
care of this list or directly to Dee at: gypsycaine at yahoo.com

I hope your day is filled with fun and magic and brings everything you 
wished for.

Happy Birthday, Dee!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 16:29:44 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:29:44 -0400
Subject: Jibber on incest in fandom
Message-ID: <1a2738400608290929y5ab1e033p108492685cddc357@mail.gmail.com>

Other than the fact my brain matter is processing things even more
sluggishly than usual, it also has this tendency of wandering all over
the place in this mindset and then I can't concentrate until I type
out the thoughts.  I'll probably come back for additional commentary,
once I get some sleep, and finish recording the Katrina levy HBO
documentary Judith asked for.

I'll be touching on Harry Potter, Smallville, Supernatural, and HBO's
Oz because those are fandoms I'm familiar with and they're the ones
the partially dead grey matter are pulling up now.

Believe it or not but I do have squicks; it's just that the number of
squicks has significantly decreased over the years.  I used to have
one against incest but the HP fandom broke that one, along with a slew
of other squicks. {g}

Offhand, there was this one fic, Luna...something, that had Harry
Potter unearthing his father, James, and having sex with his rotting
corpse.  The fic was fascinating from a forensics POV because the
writer left clues the grave had been disturbed before and not just by
Harry either... recently if the maggots were anything to go by.
Anyway, I got into an interesting discussion over the properties of
environment's influence on decay and magic's ability to preserve to an
extent over on Glassesreflect before the group of 4-5,000+ was nuked
by Yahoo.  Note, it wasn't the incest that made the fic disturbingly
fascinating. {g}  When one squick trumps another. ;-)

Among the topics on Glassesreflect, I brought up how Malfoycest (most
on father/son), Blackcest (most on siblings and cousins), and
Weasleycest (most fics focused on siblings) were more, um, 'accepted'
versus Pottercest.  Though, the Malfoys, Blacks, and Weasleys are
purebloods and JK Rowling referenced how the purebloods tended to stay
within a limited circle of partners and the Black family tree reflects
various familiar names over the generations.

With this exposure via the HP fandom, came a certain 'freedom' to
explore taboos in a fictional setting that wouldn't hurt others and
helped to circumvent my morality issues (at one point, I thought HP
slash was squicky, seriously).  As some writers tried to push
boundaries, I found my curiosity piqued.  It's rather similar to the
theory of not being able to look away from a disaster (e.g. various
figurative references to 'trainwrecks'), but it helps that, again, no
one is being hurt/abused in real life.

So, I find myself getting into Smallville via the dynamics presented
onscreen between Clark Kent and Lex Luthor (helps that the actors are
cuties and have chemistry).  Okay, so some may be thinking 'why is
this pairing being brought up as incest', it's because I've
encountered folks creating alternative universe scenarios where Clark
Kent and Lex Luthor are raised together as 'brothers', whether as
Kents or as Luthors, yet they still end up as lovers.  You still kinda
have that 'safety net' of they're not *really* being related but the
writer can still explore a 'forbidden fruit'.  But Smallville fandom
also has its share of straight up (no pun) incest fics between Lionel
Luthor and Lex Luthor (again, helps that the actors are cuties and
have chemistry - DVD blooper/outtakes has them nearly kissing).  This
reminds me of Malfoycest partly because of the father/son dynamics but
also because of the aspect of the wealthy being able to afford to
'make and break their own rules'.

While the Harry Potter and Smallville fandom had plenty of room for
non-incest pairings, I discovered Supernatural by just not flipping
the channel after Smallville aired, and if TPTB (WB) thought they
could curb slash by having the main characters as family/brothers and
not having recurring male characters, they were mistaken because
Winchester incest (AKA Wincest) seriously permeates the fandom as the
primary slash pairing (just as Clark/Lex dominates Smallville slash).

Supernatural has the Winchester brothers, Dean and Sam, (and again,
helps that the actors are cuties and have chemistry) in a scenario
where the closest thing they have as a 'constant' "partner" is each
other as they grew up and shared motel rooms... Kinda reminds me, in a
way, of Weasleycest where brothers are crammed together and they have
to share each other's resources.  The premise of 'make and break their
own rules' can also be applied to the Winchesters since they ended up
with the unusual 'job' of hunting (and killing) the supernatural.

With as much incest fics as I've been exposed to, would you believe my
sense of morality is still kicking. {g}  Recently, as I was watching
Supernatural, I thought 'god, I'm glad the actors aren't really
brothers'.  In HBO's Oz, Ryan and Cyril O'Reily (acted by the Winters
brothers, Dean and Scott) are stuck in prison, however, Cyril had
received serious head trauma before entering that caused his
perception to be that of a child, so Ryan, who is very independent, is
stuck as the protective older brother to a sibling with the body of a
grown man and the mentality of a child.  Unfortunately, Cyril gets
ganged up on and raped by another prisoner.

One topic of discussion was how would Cyril deal with the fact he has
the body of a grown man and its natural sexual reactions and how would
Ryan deal with Cyril's childlike perceptions.  This turned out to be a
particularly squicky aspect few in fandom touched, which I can't blame
them.  Granted, the HP fandom also removed my squick against
chan/underage slash but this was before I got into HP, and reflecting
back on the idea, it'd still be too many squicks at once. :-\

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Aug 29 18:20:10 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:20:10 -0400
Subject: Tropical Storm Ernesto... heh
Message-ID: <1a2738400608291120m7785de55t6e857c430313dc4f@mail.gmail.com>

I looked at the projected path for Ernesto and was *vaguely* amused
it's *trying* for 'equal opportunity' damage across Florida.  C'mon,
it's going *straight* up almost the *entire* state, minus the
panhandle of FL.

Dina



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 30 17:10:18 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:10:18 -0000
Subject: Help I can't find T-bay
Message-ID: <ed4gpq+9hpa@eGroups.com>

Bit disoriented..  Can't find the bay. I was there before, forgot how I 
got there.  I sail about as bad as I drive. ;-)

I wanted to print a copy of Lollipops and AcidPops for a friend and I 
can find where the files are.  Does anyone have the link?  Thanks.

Tonks_op







From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Aug 31 03:22:03 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:22:03 -0000
Subject: Help I can't find T-bay
In-Reply-To: <ed4gpq+9hpa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ed5kkr+tnfr@eGroups.com>

Tonks wrote:
> Bit disoriented..  Can't find the bay. I was there before, forgot how 
I 
> got there.  I sail about as bad as I drive. ;-)
> 
> I wanted to print a copy of Lollipops and AcidPops for a friend and I 
> can find where the files are.  Does anyone have the link?  Thanks.


Never fear, Potioncat is here...
Here's a link that might help:
http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html

It might get you started. If that doesn't help I might be able to find 
some post numbers for you. However, ACID POPS is a recent theory and I 
doubt it'll be at the above site. You might try looking using ACID POPS 
and Neri. He's the Captain of that ship. 


Potioncat stares sadly over the Bay, remembering pitchers full of 
margaritas and wild ideas.







From kkersey at swbell.net  Thu Aug 31 13:14:59 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:14:59 -0000
Subject: Help I can't find T-bay
In-Reply-To: <ed5kkr+tnfr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ed6ncj+36ru@eGroups.com>

ACIDPOPS is listed in the Inish Alley database - that will at least
get you to the message where the acronym was unveiled, and it shoudn't
be too difficult to seach upthread or through messages in that date
range to find the post where the theory is spelled out in more detail. 

You can find Inish Alley in the group's database section, and I think
it is linked to from Hypothetic Alley too. 

(By the way, has anyone else noticed that the search function for
Yahoo Groups has been *greatly* improved recently? The advanced search
lets you specify date range, author, etc., too!)

Elisabet