From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 1 01:28:54 2006 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:28:54 -0000 Subject: Emma Watson in IMDb poll Message-ID: If anyone's interested (and there's still time in your time zone), check out today's IMDb poll. Emma Watson is on the list of actresses that fans might want to send a valentine to. (She's probably the youngest person on the list, but I'm not really up on actress's ages, so I could be wrong.) http://us.imdb.com/poll/ Carol, who'd be more likely to send a valentine to Alan Rickman if I did that sort of thing From kkersey at swbell.net Wed Feb 1 15:49:45 2006 From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:49:45 -0000 Subject: ? GOF DVD ? In-Reply-To: <20060126212815.43750.qmail@web36615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm surprised that the studio itself isn't monitoring eBay; how hard would it be to do a search for their own titles, or even work out something with eBay where certain titles are automatically blacklisted? I was lucky enough to attend a "special advance screening" of a movie recently, weirdly enough at the dollar movie theater in my small hometown - where Big Famous Movie Director's parents live. Sort of a Christmas present to them. I was surprised at the level of security - no electronic devices *at all* in the building, and our bags were searched and they swept everyone with those metal detector wands to boot. All that to prevent anyone recording even a snippet of the movie... it definitely wasn't security for the actors/director, because there was nothing like that going into the reception later that night. I don't know why the security was so tight for this movie... A couple of years ago I went to a sneak preview of Azkaban - no security there that I remember, other than verbal admonitions that recording devices were strictly forbidden, and you'd think Warner Bros would have a lot more to lose from piracy. By the way, the movie was Terence Malick's "The New World". Incidentally David Thewlis was in it (although honestly I am having a hard time even remembering his role). The actress who plays Pocohontas, Q'orianka Kilcher, was amazing. Not to start anything, but she was 14 when the movie was filmed and comparing her performance to the kids in the HP movies, well, much as I liked the performances in GoF (except Emma Watson's), it's no comparison! Elisabet From bunniqula at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 17:57:22 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:57:22 -0500 Subject: How to write out a check... Message-ID: <1a2738400602020957we45f198v5f302f76e0de834b@mail.gmail.com> Start off by making it payable to me. ;-) I love my mom, I really do, but she cracks me up sometimes. I probably already said this but she saw "Make payable to vendor" on an invoice and then wrote out the check to "Vendor"--later on, she asked me what is 'Vendor'. It does kinda make sense if you don't know what vendor means. This was back in April 2005 and the business hasn't 'claimed' over a grand in fees nor has she been invoiced since. I think it's a good bet by now she may have fell through the accounting 'cracks'. I was reminded of this when a tenant paid their business rent with a check and left the "Pay to the Order of" blank... Hehe, fill in 'cash'. {snort} Nah. And here, I thought I was feeling fuzzy-minded today. I was writing out 2005--briefly broke the habit--and emailing the wrong address because I went with whatever autofill picked up first. {yawn} Tired. Dina From bunniqula at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 22:09:06 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:09:06 -0500 Subject: Seeking Dell coupon codes, HP folk Message-ID: <1a2738400602021409l7f313f3bw1c291e1c8435954f@mail.gmail.com> I'll be buggered that I tossed out my Dell junk mail and now there's a computer accessory I actually want to buy. :-\ Anybody here have Dell Accessory&Electronic coupon codes? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? If someone does have some, please privately email them. Thanks, Dina From bunniqula at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 05:13:50 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:13:50 -0500 Subject: Dude, I'm getting a Dell Message-ID: <1a2738400602022113j23b13c78lee296790d80d9d16@mail.gmail.com> Well, when in doubt, plead your case politely? I initially had a $25 coupon code, but at the last moment, the shopping cart rejected it after accepting the code. So, I called Dell and said I was having problems with the code and they gave me a *$35* discount. From their retail price of $549 to $376.75, not including FL tax but there was free shipping, that's not too bad. I was interested in the Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1" widescreen LCD monitor--video editing timeline likes a wider screen. Even though I do have 'working' monitors, I wussed out. I have a 10+ year old 14" monitor with a broken speaker and my going-on-six years 15" monitor still works... but something's wrong with the sound too. Could be the sound card or the speakers. I've had to turn off the speakers for this computer. I'll eventually figure out which. Hm, wonder if I'll have less bloodshot eyes with a new monitor. I don't set them bright because it bothers me (Gizmo "bright lights, bright lights")... Then again, the 14" one can't get very bright anymore. Now, I just need a good [compatible] heatsink for a P4 LGA775. Copper. Oh, as a somewhat amusing tale from the Dell front, there was a 55% off coupon code for laptop covers, however, someone forgot to limit the code to laptop covers... Yep, *everything* was 55% off very briefly about a week ago. I read tales of orders being recalled but customers tried intercepting and rerouting the packages back to them. Tug-o-war. {g} Some even managed to get their orders (monitors, TVs, etc) and said there was no price correction on their bills. Dina From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Sat Feb 4 09:03:19 2006 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:03:19 -0800 Subject: Semi-OT: An Chess Opening for Harry Potter Message-ID: <1611531882.20060204010319@mindspring.com> I have to confess I've always had a desire to name my own chess opening, and given some of the unorthodox openings have bear the names of extinct or fanciful creatures -- such as "The Dragon Variation", "The Pterodactyl", and "The Woozle" -- I have decided add to the "menagerie", with a Harry Potter themed opening. The moves themselves are not my invention -- they were featured in one episode in the five-to-ten minute "filler" TV show _Miniature Chess Masterpieces_, broadcast on PBS during 1970's childhood and which no but myself appears to remember. At any rate, below are the moves of the opening, which in honor of Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, and especially Luna Lovegood, I hereby christen, "The Crumple-Horned Snorkak": (Algebraic Notation) ("Descriptive" Notation) White Black White Black 1. e4 e5 1. P-K4 P-K4 2. d4 exd4 2. P-Q4 PxP 3. c3 dxc3 3. P-QB3 PxP 4. Bc4 cxb2 4. B-QB4 PxP 5. Bxb2 ... 5. BxP ... Leaving White with a distinct advantage in development. :) -- Dave From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 5 06:56:43 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 5 Feb 2006 06:56:43 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/5/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1139122603.25.54352.m4@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 5, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 11 hours, 3 minutes.) Notes: Hi, everyone! 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Set up birthday reminders! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/cal_us/rem/?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal?v=9&evt_type=13 Copyright 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/ Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PenapartElf at aol.com Mon Feb 6 21:37:24 2006 From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:37:24 -0500 Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU! Message-ID: <8C7F97CA711A4A9-11A8-92E6@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Greetings and Salutations! As you may already know, HPfGU is holding contests at HPfGU-Movie to give away copies of the GoF soundtrack CDs (the press release for which is below). To contend for the third and last CD, please read http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/12275 Good luck! :) Penapart Elf for the HPfGU List Admin Team with apologies for multi-posting ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ October 25, 2005 HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE: ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SOUNDTRACK HIGHLIGHTS ALL-STAR LINE-UP Burbank, CA: There's musical magic afoot on the Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack, set for release on Warner Sunset Records, November 15th, 2005. Music from fourth installment of the phenomenal Harry Potter film franchise, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack features a score by Academy Award-nominated composer Patrick Doyle, best known for his work on Donnie Brasco, Bridget Jones' Diary, Hamlet and Sense And Sensibility. Doyle takes over musical duties from John Williams, who composed the music for the last three Harry Potter films, which together were nominated for three Grammy Awards and two Oscars and sold more than a million copies worldwide. Also available as a digital download, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack includes liner notes from the film's director Mike Newell. The album also features three new original songs, two of which were written by acclaimed recording artist Jarvis Cocker and the third co-written by Cocker and Jason Buckle. The tracks -- "Do The Hippogriff," "Magic Works" and "This Is The Night" -- are performed by Jarvis Cocker, Jonny Greenwood, Phil Selway, Steve Claydon, Steve Mackey and Jason Buckle. Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire continues author J.K. Rowling's immensely popular Harry Potter novel series with Harry (Daniel Radcliffe) being selected to compete in the prestigious Triwizard Tournament, which pits him against older and more experienced students from Hogwarts and two rival European wizarding schools. Meanwhile, supporters of Harry's nemesis, the evil Lord Voldemort (Ralph Fiennes), send a shockwave of fear throughout the wizard community when their Dark Mark scorches the sky at the Quidditch World Cup, signaling Voldemort's return to power. But for Harry, this is not the only harrowing news causing him anxiety - he still has yet to find a date for Hogwarts' Yule Ball dance. Warner Bros. Pictures presents a Heyday Films production of a Mike Newell film, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, starring Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson, Robbie Coltrane, Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Brendan Gleeson, Jason Isaacs, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman, Maggie Smith and Timothy Spall. Directed by Mike Newell, the film is produced by David Heyman from a screenplay by Steve Kloves, based on the novel by J.K. Rowling. The executive producers are David Barron and Tanya Seghatchian. The director of photography is Roger Pratt, BSC; the production designer is Stuart Craig; the editor is Mick Audsley; the co-producer is Peter MacDonald; the costume designer is Jany Temime; Hedwig's Theme is composed by John Williams; and the music is by Patrick Doyle. Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment company, will release the film Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, on November 18, 2005 in the United States. For more information, visit www.harrypottersoundtrack.com From tonks_op at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 21:50:46 2006 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:50:46 -0000 Subject: ? GOF DVD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kkersey_austin" wrote: > > I'm surprised that the studio itself isn't monitoring eBay; how hard> would it be to do a search for their own titles, or even work out something with eBay where certain titles are automatically blacklisted? >----------- Actually they do monitor e-bay. Either that or people turn other people in who have been turned in themselves. A couple of years ago I had a magic wand for sale on e-bay and all I said was "Your Harry Potter fan would love this" and zap. It was not in the HP catagory and I did not advertise it as a HP wand. The item was taken off because WB said it was a infringement of their trademark. So I said.. hum.. what are other people doing? And fool that I was, I saw that someone was giving away a HP card with a wooden wand, so ... I put up the wand and a HP button and zap..zap.. gone. I got booted off. I had 100% positive feedback and everything. I was not deliberly trying to do anything wrong. I didn't know that "He who must not be named" was Harry You Know Who. And they said "you can't sell an authorized item with an unauthorized item. It was just a wooden wand, I never said it was a HP wand or anything. After battling with E-bay for 2 years I finally got back on. It is madding when the real crooks get away with thing like bootleg DVD, etc. When you see something like that all you have to do is send the page to ... anti-piracy at warnerbrother.com Tonks From tonks_op at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 22:11:20 2006 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:11:20 -0000 Subject: ? GOF DVD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When you see something like that all you have to do is > send the page to ... anti-piracy at ... > ah, Yahoomort strikes again. the rest of that e-mail address is warnerbrothers.com From bigglassofoj at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 23:09:29 2006 From: bigglassofoj at yahoo.com (bigglassofoj) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:09:29 -0000 Subject: hi Message-ID: um hey....does someone want to email me? From bigglassofoj at yahoo.com Tue Feb 7 23:10:26 2006 From: bigglassofoj at yahoo.com (bigglassofoj) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:10:26 -0000 Subject: Dinner at Corpus Christi - I am sooooo excited In-Reply-To: <000601c6225a$b0367dc0$25353a9d@europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > I cannot resist a quick gloat because I am sooooo excited about my dinner engagement tonight. My boss ( http://research.microsoft.com/~krw/ ) has just been made a Senior Member of High Table at Corpus Christi College in Cambridge UK. This means he can invite people along for dinner there, and he's taking me along as his first guest! Hi All, well congratz!! bigglassofoj From bunniqula at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 21:45:25 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:45:25 -0500 Subject: Fast soldout for fan convention Message-ID: <1a2738400602081345u73dc4e5w247371c01f81c2a4@mail.gmail.com> http://community.livejournal.com/vividcon/56462.html Whoa, within five hours of registration opening, Vividcon sold out their 100 attending member cap. I had registered within the 'fourth hour' thinking I was registering *early*. Anyway, I mailed out my attending member fee check today. I like vidding and I also like sight-seeing, and I haven't been to VividCon since their first convention about four years ago, I think. I was born in Chicago (where the convention is being held) but moved to Florida when I was barely a year old. I thought Chicago was an interesting city to visit. I didn't get lost too badly when riding the rail system... because I bought at least three maps. {g} Oh, and since O'Hare is the 'closest' airport to the hotel, it's also got some nifty stuff with musical 'dancing' lights and... automated changing toilet seat covers. {chuckle} Dina From bunniqula at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 22:15:55 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:15:55 -0500 Subject: Glad to be 'unproductive' today Message-ID: <1a2738400602081415m4c41511eucc22ed793906e03c@mail.gmail.com> My boss is out of the office until tomorrow and I've been seriously slacking today... and I'm glad. I *tried* (tried being the operative word) working and nearly cancelled my boss's father's Verizon phone account. *headdesk* Granted, I have three Verizon billing statements in front of me for different accounts and one of them is supposed to be cancelled but to pick the wrong one. {shakes head} Bunch of little mistakes that I've corrected in time but... Man, I need more sleep. I've been working on a vid project and logging in about 4-5hrs of sleep each night the past few days. I'm nearly finished with the project for a challenge deadline of Valentine's Day. I think the vid came out better than I thought it would. I'll subject y'all to the 'horror' next week. It's for an 80s challenge and I went with mix'n'match Michael Rosenbaum roles with a song choice of Go-Go's Vacation. Even if I may be the only one, I thought it funny. {yawns} Sleepy. Dina From kchuplis at alltel.net Thu Feb 9 20:26:31 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:26:31 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter fountain pen source Message-ID: There is a fellow on the green board at pentrace http://www.pentrace.com/PenMarket.htm that is going to work on getting some of the set of three (not the triwizard one, although you never know they might get that too) to sell to people for basically cost and shipping over here. It'd be a good way to get them for the price they are supposed to be :D From tonyaminton at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 16:24:37 2006 From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:24:37 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/9/06, kchuplis wrote: > > There is a fellow on the green board at pentrace > http://www.pentrace.com/PenMarket.htm that is going to work on getting > some of the set of three (not the triwizard one, although you never > know they might get that too) to sell to people for basically cost and > shipping over here. It'd be a good way to get them for the price they > are supposed to be :D Thank you for this information!! I am getting myself on the list for a set. Tonya [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Feb 10 22:56:57 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:56:57 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tonya Minton wrote: > > On 2/9/06, kchuplis wrote: > > > > There is a fellow on the green board at pentrace > > http://www.pentrace.com/PenMarket.htm that is going to work on getting > > some of the set of three (not the triwizard one, although you never > > know they might get that too) to sell to people for basically cost and > > shipping over here. It'd be a good way to get them for the price they > > are supposed to be :D > > > > Thank you for this information!! I am getting myself on the list for a set. > > > Tonya > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Did you see Eric's reply Tonya? Ooo. You will just enjoy the heck out of these. I sure do. And I can point you at some REALLY fun ink cartridges when you need some. You can get it to match the pens or just some fun colors too. From tonyaminton at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 20:17:56 2006 From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:17:56 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Kchuplis: > > > > Did you see Eric's reply Tonya? Ooo. You will just enjoy the heck out > of these. I sure do. And I can point you at some REALLY fun ink > cartridges when you need some. You can get it to match the pens or > just some fun colors too. Now Tonya: HI!! Thanks and Yes I did see his reply and I sent him an email. I would > totally be interested in some fun inks to go with the pens!! Thank you so > much!! Tonya [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Feb 12 01:45:12 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:12 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tonya Minton wrote: > > > > > Kchuplis: > > > > > > > Did you see Eric's reply Tonya? Ooo. You will just enjoy the heck out > > of these. I sure do. And I can point you at some REALLY fun ink > > cartridges when you need some. You can get it to match the pens or > > just some fun colors too. > > > Now Tonya: > > HI!! Thanks and Yes I did see his reply and I sent him an email. I would > > totally be interested in some fun inks to go with the pens!! Thank you so > > much!! > > > > Tonya > http://www.pendemonium.com/ They are very fast. Good service. I have the J.Hervin cartridges and really like them quite well. Also Private Reserve colors are pretty. The Tanzanite is a really nice dark blue. Have fun! From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 12 06:57:05 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 12 Feb 2006 06:57:05 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/12/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1139727425.20.22740.m6@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 12, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 11 hours, 3 minutes.) Notes: Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Since Yahoo has closed all user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on the main list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat Hope to see you there! Set up birthday reminders! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/cal_us/rem/?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal?v=9&evt_type=13 Copyright 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/ Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 12 17:58:02 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 12 Feb 2006 17:58:02 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/12/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1139767082.16.49249.m26@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 12, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Notes: Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Since Yahoo has closed all user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on the main list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat Hope to see you there! Set up birthday reminders! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/cal_us/rem/?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal?v=9&evt_type=13 Copyright 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/ Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 02:02:55 2006 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:02:55 -0000 Subject: Black Family Tree Update Message-ID: Hi! The leaky Cauldron has an updated version of the Black Family tree, we get a few more names and dates http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/static_images/image.php? image=news/blackfamilytreecleaned.jpg From madettebeau at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 04:12:42 2006 From: madettebeau at gmail.com (Maddy) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 04:12:42 -0000 Subject: Toronto for 2007! Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm sure most of you know about Lumos 2006 , Phoenix Rising 2007 , The Witching Hour , Convention Alley , etc. Harry Potter Education Fanon (HPEF, the non-profit educational organization, which you probably all know about) is currently accepting bids for the location of a similar event in 2007. On the HPEF 2007 event thread on the Lumos message board, I suggested Toronto, Ontario, as an option, because Toronto would be an ideal place to host such an event. A few other people who are interested in putting in a bid for Toronto have created a website and a theme for the possible symposium in Toronto: Alohomora 2007: Unlocking the Gates to Harry Potter If you (or anyone you know) would like to help out with researching, organizing, and documenting the bid (which is due March 31st, 2006), please talk to me or e-mail: alohomora2007 at yahoo.com . Note: You don't have to live in Toronto to help out! Anyone from anywhere is welcome! And please pass on the link to the website ( http://www.geocities.com/alohomora2007/ ) to fellow HP fans and spread the word! Thank you! =) Maddy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bunniqula at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 18:49:00 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: Is that an 'echo'? RE: folks 'quoting' you? Message-ID: <1a2738400602131049n299b0e3dxecbc8771c8b472eb@mail.gmail.com> http://www.xanga.com/Empress_Jayden/433258737/item.html Dude, some of the commentary was lifted from a post I made on a Smallville list. I just can't remember which one offhand. I think this is all mine: [[ I saw some interesting possibilities for a Clark/Lex 'bunny', and even though I'm a slash fan, I'm intrigued by Lex/Lana and Lionel/Martha. Heh, going back to the slash, that was a rather... 'yummy' fight scene between Lionel and Jonathan, which the blackmail photo was probably some hot m/m sex scene featuring Jonathan during his younger days...or some Dukes of Hazzard photo. Funeral scene... The funeral was truly lovely, in a very sad, emotional way. It's a lovely scene from an editing stance and maybe some more slash bunnies from Lex attending the funeral. It reminds me of RedK!Clark standing in the back for Lex's 'funeral'. ]] There's certain 'habits' in my typing. However, I don't think that's all my wording when looking at the funeral scene part. Yeah, I distinctly remember the reference to editing but not the previous part on 'very sad, emotional'... or maybe it's mine. I don't remember everything I've typed. {g} And it happened again: http://www.xanga.com/Empress_Jayden/432699243/item.html Note the part with the 'hm' but the colons surrounding the word, mourning, was actually unhappy emoticons when I posted. It's weird. Parts are my commentary but other parts aren't mine. I quote folks but I attribute the commentary. Maybe I'm not seeing the attributing under Mac's Safari browser but... Huh? Not unless this person is into Lex/Lana and Lionel/Martha that's odd. Dina From kkersey at swbell.net Mon Feb 13 22:38:10 2006 From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:38:10 -0000 Subject: wizard geneology - Genius or Baloney? (moved from main list) Message-ID: Steve proposes a genetic model for magical inheritance here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/148089 I'm moving discussion over here to OT, since my post doesn't have much canon relevance... Steve, I'm having a bit of trouble with your notation and terminology, but I think what you are proposing is a set of four distinct genes that determine magical ability - each gene has two variations (alleles): e.g. A and a, B and b, with capital letters designating the "Magic" allele and lowercase designating "muggle" alleles. If that's the case, each individual should have two copies of each gene, one from each parent (with the exception of any genes that are located on the y chromosome, in which case males get only one copy - from their father; IMO there is no evidence for any magical abilities being sex-linked so let's forget that as a possibility). Now, under your model, if I understand correctly, a sqib/muggle would have aabbccdd genes. If someone has any magical allele, they are Magic - e.g. aAbbccdd, aaBbccdd, AABBCCDD, or whatever, as long as there's a capital letter in there somewhere. The problem I see with this model is that squibs would not be rare at all in the case where a witch or wizard marries a muggle. For instance, for AaBbccdd x aabbccdd, the possibilities are: AaBbccdd aaBbccdd Aabbccdd aabbccdd That's a 25% chance of a squib. If the magic parent only has one Magic gene, and is heterozygous for it, say Aabbccdd, the chances of having a squib offspring is 50%! On the other hand, if the magic parent has more Magic alleles in their genetic arsenal, the chances of having a squib offspring do go down precipitously; in particular anyone who is homozygous for one of the magic genes would be guaranteed to have no squib offspring. barring mutation, AAbbccdd x aabbccdd can only have Aabbccdd offspring. AaBbccdd x aabbCcDd would have a 25% chance of producing aabbccdd offspring (i.e. a squib). All that assuming no mutation, of course. And assuming that each gene follows a simple dominant/recessive pattern. And that is not taking into account that the genes in question may be on the same chromosome, in which case they wouldn't be independently inherited. In real life, of course, things are rarely that simple... For example, some genes can suppress other genes; the DNA molecule is mostly twisted up in a knot and has to be straightened out and partially unzipped along the stretch where a particular gene is in order for it to be expressed. So in many cases the dominant allele isn't expressed even though it is in there. One set of genes may interfere with or compensate for the expression of others. Then there are all the enviromental interactions (e.g. hormones and nutrition during gestation or growth) that might affect the expression of certain genes. One more thing: bboyminn: > Unless I'm mistaken the DNA chain splits in half length-wise, and half > of your mother's combines with half of your fathers. That is all of > your fathers 'halves' combine with all of your mother's halves, and > the combination creates a complete DNA ladder. When two specific DNA > halves mate, they create the genetic characteristic of blue eyes, > brown eyes, prone to cancer, or whatever. > Elisabet responds: The familiar picture of a DNA ladder you cite is of a *single* DNA molecule - when it divides by splitting down the middle that is the process of replicating, that is, making an exact (hopefully!) copy of itself. Each chromosome contains *two* DNA molecules, one from each parent, each with its own copy of each gene. (Actually, it is a bit more complicated than that, e.g. the y chromosome, and the fact that the two strands can break and recombine during the process.) In short, it's not two DNA halves mating, it's two complete DNA molecules mating. One of the lovely things about genetics is that expression of traits rarely can be analysed simply, so JKR can get away with waving her hands and saying that there's a gene for magic and then she can make it work however she wants without worrying about "the maths". :-) Elisabet, who hasn't stopped by here for a while and is finding all sorts of interesting discussions! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 22:39:30 2006 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:39:30 -0000 Subject: HP fans not the most idiosyncratic? Message-ID: Sorry I'm late in posting this, so it's too late to vote, but some of you may be interested in seeing which fans of a movie series are considered most idiosyncratic. The main candidates are Star Trek fans, Star Wars fans, LOTR fans, and HP fans. If you're interested in the results, click here: http://us.imdb.com/poll/results/2006-02-12 Carol, with apologies for not posting sooner From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 22:48:49 2006 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:48:49 -0000 Subject: Black Family Tree Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "jlnbtr" wrote: > > Hi! > > The leaky Cauldron has an updated version of the Black Family tree, we > get a few more names and dates > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/static_images/image.php? > image=news/blackfamilytreecleaned.jpg > Try this shorter URL, then click on the photo for a big, clear (but unprintable) pic: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#gallery:pic:8644 The photo explains why Mrs. Black would refer to the house of *her* fathers. Sirius Black's parents were second cousins and *both* were great grand children of Phineas Nigellus Black. Evidently Mrs. Black was Miss Black before she married. Helps to explain Kreacher's devotion to his mistress as well as Mrs. Black's obsession with the Ancient and Noble House of Black. Carol, who hopes that all the burned-off names will be identified, along with the ones that are only blurred From bunniqula at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 22:52:56 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:52:56 -0500 Subject: HP fans not the most idiosyncratic? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a2738400602131452n45fe9dacg74bd508f4f8694d3@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/06, justcarol67 wrote: > considered most idiosyncratic. The main candidates are Star Trek fans, > Star Wars fans, LOTR fans, and HP fans. If you're interested in the > http://us.imdb.com/poll/results/2006-02-12 Considering I was in the Trek fandom, that doesn't surprise me but I figured HP would rank higher. {g} I suspect LOTR got a higher ranking from Amy Player, who claims she's a reincarnated Hobbit and also has the spirit of Elijah Wood (damn, I missed his funeral), has a 'pseudo-penis', and that's just a couple tidbits... It gets stranger and was made into a book. Last sighting, Amy Player was impersonating Harry Potter. Heh, coming to a fandom near you. Dina From bunniqula at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 09:50:09 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:50:09 -0500 Subject: VID: 80s Go-Gos Vacation (multimedia M. Rosenbaum) Message-ID: <1a2738400602140150t92647bdw93715c7f42e13342@mail.gmail.com> As I 'threatened' before on HPFGU-OT {g}, for those familiar with WB's Smallville: [[ Title: Vacation Artist: the Go-Gos Vidder: bunniqula Fandom: Michael Rosenbaum multimedia Size: WMV - 14.6megs Summary: Unlucky in life and love? Multimedia with MR and TW roles. Underlying Clark/Lex theme from Smallville. Inspired by MKitty's 80s challenge and a random viewing of Fahrenheit 911 where I heard the song and thought 'that's messed up'. Not exactly work safe. Right click and file 'save as' on the following link. Please do not upload elsewhere. MKitty has blanket permission to link for her challenge. http://archive.nu/bunniqula/vids/svmrgovc.wmv I'm releasing this vid on the challenge's original deadline of Valentine's Day. Thanks to beeej for sharing Rosenbaum footage and especially Dena for pulling out the stops by providing *hours* of rare video (I had more variety than the vid could hold and her contribution made this better) and a thank you to talitha78 for a fast beta where she confirmed my suspicions the vid only made it to its first goal: fun 80s vid with an assortment of Rosenbaum footage. The vid didn't make it to the next goal of having a cohesive storyline/narrative: boy meets boy, pervy boy loses boy, boy eventually gets boy back but not before life has whacked him upside the head... *repeatedly*. By meeting the first goal of video mixture, I shot the second one. As a side note, I'm kinda amused by the Jared Leto scene because he would later be cast as Hephaistion in the 2004 movie, Alexander, and that historic storyline pops up in CLex slash. ]] From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Feb 14 21:30:19 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:30:19 -0000 Subject: collectable fountain pen with tin on ebay Message-ID: Just a heads up for those who want this. YOu don't see it often. I love mine. Totally unaffliated with this: http://cgi.ebay.com/HARRY-POTTER-THE-GOBLET-OF-FIRE-COLLECTABLE-PEN- SET_W0QQitemZ6604753389QQcategoryZ29798QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 15 02:51:18 2006 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:51:18 -0000 Subject: Dark Flower Power Message-ID: Go to this address... http://www.rosydawngardens.com/coleus_catalog_L_R.htm ...and scroll to the 10th flower down. It's only $4.75, but it may try to AK the rest of your garden. - CMC From n2fgc at arrl.net Wed Feb 15 08:27:22 2006 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:27:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dark Flower Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c63209$a51eee40$65a4a8c0@rosie> Can you explain for those of us who can't read picture pages? I've worked with Coleus plants but don't understand the ref. Thanks, Leee :-) [Caius Marcius wrote[; | Go to this address... | | http://www.rosydawngardens.com/coleus_catalog_L_R.htm | | ...and scroll to the 10th flower down. | | It's only $4.75, but it may try to AK the rest of your garden. From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Wed Feb 15 12:49:21 2006 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:49:21 -0000 Subject: Dark Flower Power In-Reply-To: <000001c63209$a51eee40$65a4a8c0@rosie> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)" wrote: > > Can you explain for those of us who can't read picture pages? I've worked > with Coleus plants but don't understand the ref. > > Thanks, > There are several hundred varieties of Coleus that have been cultivated over the last century ? according to the FAQ of Rosy Dawn Gardens: http://www.rosydawngardens.com/faq.htm "Why do some coleus have more than one name? What is the correct botanical name for Coleus? In the absence of a Coleus Society or similar organization to form a sort of registry of Coleus varieties, Coleus varieties can and have been claimed and renamed at the whim of anyone who sells them." The early varieties were given names like Captivation, Brilliant, Cherub and Chelsea Beauty. More recent plants include such things as Anne Boleyn, Large Marge, Meandering Linda, Scardy Cat and Seven Dwarves. The link I posted showed a plant with large purple flowers which its gardener gave the name Lord Voldemort. I'm sure that gardeners of a Dark Arts persuasion refer to it as The Plant Which Must Not Be Named, while the rest of us might want to refer it, sotto voce, as "You-Grow-Who." Here's a direct link to the photo: http://www.rosydawngardens.com/images/coleus/lordvoldemort.jpg Hope that helps. - CMC From libtax10375 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 15 15:31:51 2006 From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:31:51 -0500 Subject: Dark Flower Power References: <1140016261.341.94594.m20@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <005e01c63244$f1f3ced0$6c00a8c0@leeannlaptop> From: "Caius Marcius" Subject: Dark Flower Power Go to this address... http://www.rosydawngardens.com/coleus_catalog_L_R.htm ...and scroll to the 10th flower down It's only $4.75, but it may try to AK the rest of your garden. - CMC Leeann Now: I have coleus in my gardens every year. I love them! There are so many varieties and they are very versitile and hearty. Even I can have them flouish in my garden. Last spring I came across a "Wizard Mix" variety. Of course I had to buy it! From n2fgc at arrl.net Wed Feb 15 20:09:55 2006 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:09:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dark Flower Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c6326b$ca07b4f0$65a4a8c0@rosie> Okay, thanks. Just know that my text-to-speech screen reader doesn't do pictures, so JPG pages are as useful as, uh, well...not. Seriously, if there's a JPG involved, it helps to have a textual descrip as to what it is for those of us on the list who can't manage pictures. Thanks, Lee :-) From catbird25 at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 15:50:37 2006 From: catbird25 at gmail.com (Catbird) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:50:37 -0600 Subject: Dark Lord, Secret-Keeper, and Spinners in the news Message-ID: <932ce7830602160750j4b34bc0ck@mail.gmail.com> *David Brooks, right-wing columnist for the New York Times and house pundit on PBS News Hour with Jim Lehrer, offers his views today (February 16) on news coverage of the Cheney shooting incident:* Places, Everyone. Action! By DAVID BROOKS, Op-Ed Columnist On a personal level, the Cheney-Whittington accident was a sad but unremarkable event. Two men go hunting. Both are sloppy, and one friend shoots another. The victim is suffering but gracious. The shooter is anguished in his guilt. [...] Meanwhile we in the regular media have our own stereotypes to guide us. We are assigned by the Fates to turn every bad thing into Watergate, to fill the air with dark lamentations about cover-ups and appearances of impropriety and the arrogance of power. [...] "The refusal of this administration to level with the American people in matters large and small is very disturbing," Hillary Clinton declared. Nancy Pelosi added, "Open government would demand that the vice president come clean on what happened there." Finally there is the Office of the Vice President, inevitably failing to surpass expectations. The vice president's role, on this as on all days, is to treat the press and the Washington community in general as a plague-ridden horde, from whom it is possible, upon the merest conversation or contact, to catch some soul-destroying disease. So, of course, *the vice president was compelled to recreate his role as Voldemort, Keeper of the Secrets*. We have, when you put it all together, created a political climate impeccably sterilized of spontaneity and normal human response. We have our roles, dear audience. Ours is not to feel and think. Ours is but to spin or die. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Thu Feb 16 22:06:38 2006 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:06:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dark Lord, Secret-Keeper, and Spinners in the news In-Reply-To: <932ce7830602160750j4b34bc0ck@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c63345$4265b6c0$65a4a8c0@rosie> I guess I'm just one of those who doesn't think this hunting accident thing is so life-changing that it has to plug the newswaves. The media really went way overboard with this, IMHO. But, of course, they seem to think we'll be captivated by every medical exam done on the US Pres and Vice Pres, or every little bike accident, broken bone, bonked head, etc. I, for one, am not. Yes, I'd want to know if someone tried to kill one of the above-stated parties; that's real news which could affect our country. But if the media is going to make a huge deal of private-life events, I feel I'm being done a disservice by them. Again, that's just my opinion. Cheers, Lee :-) (Off to find chocolate...someplace!) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 04:46:25 2006 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:46:25 -0000 Subject: Dark Lord, Secret-Keeper, and Spinners in the news In-Reply-To: <000001c63345$4265b6c0$65a4a8c0@rosie> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)" wrote: > > I guess I'm just one of those who doesn't think this hunting accident thing is so life-changing that it has to plug the newswaves. The media really went way overboard with this, IMHO. Tonks: I know that this is going to sound terrible, especially to any Republicans here. Just warning you. When I heard about the Vice President accidentally shooting the attorney. Well with everything else going on with the Vice President and having watched way too many detective movies this was my first thought: So the man knows too much and is going to talk.. well just take him on a hunting trip and make it look like an accident. Just like on the TV movies. We will never know. Even if it were an accident.. any fool knows that you don't go into the woods with a gun when you are drunk!! From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 17 11:52:40 2006 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:52:40 -0000 Subject: Dark Lord, Secret-Keeper, and Spinners in the news In-Reply-To: <932ce7830602160750j4b34bc0ck@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Catbird wrote: > > *David Brooks, right-wing columnist for the New York Times and house pundit > on PBS News Hour with Jim Lehrer, offers his views today (February 16) on > news coverage of the Cheney shooting incident:* > > > Finally there is the Office of the Vice President, inevitably failing to > surpass expectations. The vice president's role, on this as on all days, is > to treat the press and the Washington community in general as a > plague-ridden horde, from whom it is possible, upon the merest conversation > or contact, to catch some soul-destroying disease. So, of course, *the vice > president was compelled to recreate his role as Voldemort, Keeper of the > Secrets*. > Describing Lord Voldemort as "Keeper of the Secrets" suggests that Brooks is not overly familiar with the Potterverse narrative. Of course, describing the author of Bobos in Paradise as "right-wing" suggests that one isn't overly familiar with David Brooks. - CMC From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 20:23:51 2006 From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:23:51 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books Message-ID: I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. How can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been trying to find some other books that I can care about as much as Harry. While I have really enjoyed some of them I must say they don't grab me the way Harry does. I'm not sure what I love about Harry, maybe it's the depth of feeling that is shown in the main characters. Many of my friends are startled when they hear I'm rereading a book. Great books can be reread because you enjoy the trip. You're not just speeding to the end to find out what happens. Harry got me started on Fantasy/Science Fiction. Here's my list of good books I enjoyed. Terry Brooks "Shannara Series", Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time Series". Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". Christopher Paolini's "Eldest". Philip Pullman "His Dark Materials" Trilogy (not done with book 3 yet). I'm sure there are others. But, the Great books. The ones I can read over and over, I even have to make myself stop reading them again. Charles Dickens "Bleak House", "David Copperfield", "Nicholas Nickleby", and others. "Jane Eyre". "Lord of the Rings". Harry Potter (especially book 5). I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab me like they do. Anxious to hear your ideas, Bonnie From sherriola at earthlink.net Sat Feb 18 20:33:30 2006 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:33:30 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008401c634ca$9525abf0$0400a8c0@pensive> I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab me like they do. Anxious to hear your ideas, Bonnie Sherry now: Hi Bonnie. Not sure if you'll like my suggestions, because i didn't like most of the things you wrote as your favorites. However, you do have LOTR and a couple others up there that I also love, so I'll give it a shot. in fantasy, here are two authors I really like. Guy Gavriel Kay George R. R. Martin For Martin, his song of ice and fire series is a particular favorite of mine. They are very different from the HP books, definitely intense, kinda dark and not kids books by any means. But characters are what always grab me in a book, and the characters in this series are fascinating. not all the good guys are always good, and not all the bad guys are always bad. It's intriguing to try to figure out what will happen next and who will make it happen. They are very long books, by the way. Guy Gavriel Kay writes fantasies that are also sort of historical fiction, because they are fantasies set in lands that resemble historical areas of our world. But they are definitely fantasies. My favorite is called TIGANA. If you're interested in things that aren't fantasy, I'd be glad to share my list of the truly great books in my life. Sherry From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 22:29:46 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:29:46 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books -More Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" wrote: > > I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. > How can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been > trying to find some other books that I can care about as much > as Harry. While I have really enjoyed some of them I must say > they don't grab me the way Harry does. I'm not sure what I > love about Harry, maybe it's the depth of feeling that is shown > in the main characters. > > ... Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". > ... > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe > I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books > grab me like they do. > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > Bonnie > bboyminn: I just want to expand on 'Enders Game' which I truly loved. The story began as a short story (1977) and was later expanded into a novel (1985). The novel became so popular that it was then expanded into a series (last book-1996). 'Ender's Game' takes place when Ender (short for Andrew) is very young. The series that follows takes place 3,000 years later. Ender and Valentine (his sister) have spend their lives in space travel which produces a relativistic effect, which goes like this, if one twin travels in a space ship near the speed of light and the other twin remains on earth, when the space-travel-twin returns only a few years will have passed for him, but his earthbound brother will have aged many decades. The closer to the speed of light you travel, the greater this effect becomes. In short a few years of space travel equals many many decades of normal time. So, that is the background, and the story begins from there. The remaining three in this series are - "Speaker for the Dead" "Xenocide" "Children of the Mind" As you know from reading 'Enders Game', Ender was very tramatized by that happened to him, and he spend most of the rest of his life trying to escape the memories of that action. At first, at the end of the Formic wars, Ender is a hero. But as the immemdicacy of victory fades and a historical perspective takes over, Ender is demonized for his actions, and history does not treat him well. So, he and Valentine travel the galaxy staying only a short while in each place. Ender acts as a Speaker for the Dead and Valentine as an itinerate historian. When their job is done, they move on. Eventually this leads to a very compelling story chronicalled in the three books listed. I found this an excellent and captivating story from beginning to end, and I have read it about three or four times so far, and recently have been thinking about reading it again. The second part of this story is 'Enders Shadow'. In 'Enders Game' we are introduced to the character 'Bean' who has a very compelling, perhaps even more compelling, story of his own. It is a deep dark and tragic story. 'Ender Shadow' parallels 'Enders Game' but from Bean's perspective. The early and substantial part of the first books deals with Bean's early life and how he came to be a part of Ender's crew. This is both a captivating and heartbreaking story that ultimately ends happily...or so it seems. The remaining three books is this series deal with Bean's life after the 'Ender Game' story. Although it starts shortly in the future and moves through real time; no relativistic effects here. The most captivating part of these books aside from Bean's story is the story of the world and the political intrigue that ensues. I found it extremely interesting to see how this projected fictional history parallels our real history, and to see the fate of various parts of the world in the future. I'm certainly not even remotely creating a captivating or intriguing summary here, but I assure you that minus a few stylistic shortcoming, these are all immensely interesting books. If you read 'Enders Game' and 'Enders Shadow' then you will love these characters, and if you love them (the way I do) then you will want to know their ultimate fates, and that makes for very compelling reading. I can't imagine anyone reading 'Enders Game' and 'Enders Shadow' and not wanting to know the future of these characters. The three remaining books after 'Enders Shadow' are - 'Shadow Puppets' 'Shadow of the Hegemon' 'Shadow of the Giant' (still in hardback, all others in paperback) The 'Shadow' series is really a much easier read than the 'Ender' series since they cover such a short period of time, and are more connected with earth and reality as we know it. None the less, the 'Enders' series is still very good though more in the science fiction realm. Though, I guarantee that any reader, even if they don't like science fiction, will still love both 'Enders Game' and 'Enders Shadow'. For non-science fiction readers, you will still love the continuation of the 'Shadow' series, this is more a story that takes place in the future, than actual science fiction. The continuation of the 'Ender' series, while more science fiction, is really centered around a love story on several fronts. I highly recommend both series. Further, there is a book of short stories related to the 'Enders' series, called 'First Meetings'. In it we get to see how Ender's father and mother meet. We also get to see how Ender meets the computer program called 'Jane' which will make sense if you read the follow up to 'Ender Game'. The book is a must for any 'Enders' fan, with very valuable and insightful background information plus the original 'Enders Game' short story published in 1977. Another recommendation is 'The Bartimaeus Trilogy' by Jonathan Stroud. There are some minor flaws in the books, but they are small enough and the characters are interesting enough, that they can be easily overlooked. The first two books are pretty straight forward; 'The Amulet of Samarkand' and 'Golems Eye'. Enjoyable books that I have read at least a couple of times. Further, these book offer an insightful look into alternative 'wizard worlds' that I'm sure will fastinate any Harry Potter fan. In a sense, this series is a 'what if', showing the wizard world if history had only been a little different. But the real payoff comes in the third and final book in the series. It is very character driven, where as the first two are more driven by the adventure and mystery, though the character are well developed. By the time you get into the third book, you are very invested in the characters and their story which takes many unexpected twists and turns, and ends in a very unlikely and unpredictable way. This 'Bartimaeus' series is not at the top of my list, but is still nice comfortable reading. I am currently reading the just released 'Ptolomys Gate' for the second time. "The Bartimaeus Trilogy -" 'The Amulet of Samarkand' 'Golums Eye' 'Ptolomys Gate' Just for fun, try the 'Artemis Fowl' Series, while it is geared to a younger audience, I guarantee you will not regret reading it. These are captivating relatively short stories with a wonderful sense of humor, and wonderfully interesting characters, especially Mulch Diggums...I love Mulch Diggums! All but the latest are available in paperback. Highly recommended for recreational reading. PS: they are great on tape too. 'Atremis Fowl' 'Artemis Fowl - The Arctic Incedent' 'Artemis Fowl - The Eternity Code' 'Artemis Fowl - The Opal Deception' Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 02:07:32 2006 From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:07:32 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books -More Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" wrote: > > > > I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. > > How can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been > > trying to find some other books that I can care about as much > > as Harry. Snip> > > > ... Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". > > ... > > > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe > > I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books > > grab me like they do. > > > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > > Bonnie > > > > > Steve/bboyminn Replied but I oversnipped. Sorry. I have read "Speaker for the Dead" I liked it, but not as much as "Ender's Game". The others are on my "to read list". Do you know the author of the Artemus Fowl Books? Thanks for the recommendations. Bonnie From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 19 06:56:43 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 19 Feb 2006 06:56:43 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/19/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1140332203.34.64353.m4@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 19, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) 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URL: From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 07:43:02 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:43:02 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books -More Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" > wrote: > > > > > > I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. > > > How can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been > > > trying to find some other books that I can care about as much > > > as Harry. > > Snip> > > > > ... Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". > > > ... > > > > > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". > > > Maybe I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why > > > these books grab me like they do. > > > > > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > Steve/bboyminn Replied but I oversnipped. Sorry. > > I have read "Speaker for the Dead" I liked it, but not as much > as "Ender's Game". The others are on my "to read list". > > Do you know the author of the Artemus Fowl Books? > > Thanks for the recommendations. > > Bonnie bboyminn: No, most people wouldn't like 'Speaker for the Dead' as well as the original 'Enders Game'. 'Enders Game' is an intense story about a boy who is thrown into unusual circumstances. The rest of the Enders series is what happens to that boy later in life. The story of an adult is rarely as compelling as the story of a child. Still, the rest of the 'Ender' series is very good, especially if you like science fiction. For those who don't like science fiction, the 'Shadow' series is excellent. The author of the 'Artimes Fowl' Series is EOIN COLFER (no, that's not misspelled). These are relatively light but immensely enjoyable books. As I said, they have a great sense of humor and wonderfully interesting characters, but they are basically mystery books. In each book Artemis Fowl has to solve some mystery, although, it is usually a mystery of his own creation. I fear that I am not describing the books in a way that makes them sound interesting, but they are. The 'Artemis Fowl' books are based on a totally absurd concept, that in the hands of this author, is completely believable. The most unlikely characters totally come to life when you get caught up in the story. To put it simply, these stories are FUN. Wait until you meet Mulch Diggums, you're sure to love him. Just passing it along. Steve/bboyminn From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 18 21:28:38 2006 From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:28:38 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books Message-ID: Sherry says: "If you're interested in things that aren't fantasy, I'd be glad to share my list of the truly great books in my life." Thank you Sherry, I will look into your suggestions. And yes, I am interested in any book someone thinks is "Great, Great" Thank you all, Bonnie From kempermentor at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 09:27:31 2006 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:27:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060219092731.85576.qmail@web51611.mail.yahoo.com> bbkkyy55 wrote: I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. How can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been trying to find some other books that I can care about as much as Harry. While I have really enjoyed some of them I must say they don't grab me the way Harry does. I'm not sure what I love about Harry, maybe it's the depth of feeling that is shown in the main characters. Many of my friends are startled when they hear I'm rereading a book. Great books can be reread because you enjoy the trip. You're not just speeding to the end to find out what happens. Harry got me started on Fantasy/Science Fiction. Here's my list of good books I enjoyed. Terry Brooks "Shannara Series", Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time Series". Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". Christopher Paolini's "Eldest". Philip Pullman "His Dark Materials" Trilogy (not done with book 3 yet). I'm sure there are others. But, the Great books. The ones I can read over and over, I even have to make myself stop reading them again. Charles Dickens "Bleak House", "David Copperfield", "Nicholas Nickleby", and others. "Jane Eyre". "Lord of the Rings". Harry Potter (especially book 5). I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab me like they do. Anxious to hear your ideas ... Kemper now: Hi Bonnie... here are my thoughts on great books. First, I agree with Steve regarding Stroud's Barteaumus Trilogy. The third book was quite powerful and really took the story from great to excellent. (Steve, can you direct me to your thoughts on these regarding HP, plz... I wasn't done reading the 3rd book when you posted something about it) Second, I must be the only person who thinks people need to stay away from Eragon/Eldest, but to each their own library. Other Great Books: Forest Gump The story is unbelievably different than the movie. It's ridiculus. It's one of the few books that I've laughed out loud, frequently. But only read the first book, the second one deconstructs the first because of the author's resentments towards the Studio. It's very not funny. The Giver and Gathering Blue, two books by Lois Lowery Hard to describe the Greatness. Youth in Revolt by C.D. Payne A story told via journal entries by a 14 year gifted student. This book, too, is one of the funniest books I've ever read. But read it near a dictionary... unless you too are deviously gifted with the world's best vocabulary. Midnight Blue by Nancy A. Collins The best vampire trilogy ever writen. EVER! Stoker and Rice have nothing on Collins. NOTHING!!! They are hacks! Midnight Blue is the name of the trade paperback that combines the Sonya Blue Trilogy. There are other Sonya Blue novels which are as awesome, but start with Midnight Blue. I've read all of the above several times... I'm out. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From morianna at mindspring.com Sun Feb 19 17:49:36 2006 From: morianna at mindspring.com (Morianna X. Smythe) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:49:36 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Great Great Books In-Reply-To: <20060219092731.85576.qmail@web51611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c6357c$da2480c0$220110ac@morimain> Many of my friends are startled when they hear I'm rereading a book. Great books can be reread because you enjoy the trip. You're not just speeding to the end to find out what happens. When I *DO* re-read books for fun, these are my "staples." Tanith Lee's Tales of the Flat Earth series--if you like/LOVE Snape, I suspect you'll LOVE Azhrarn the Beautiful, Prince of Wickedness Le Guin's EarthSea series Herbert's original Dune series (before the kids got into Dad's safety-deposit box and decided to finish writing Dad's stuff! Hubris!) Stewart's Merlin series The Coldfire Trilogy by CS Friedrich (I think) And of course, almost any of Stephen King's stuff. Prof Mori [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 19 17:58:46 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 19 Feb 2006 17:58:46 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/19/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1140371926.13.77495.m32@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 19, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) 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URL: From bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 19 23:16:58 2006 From: bbkkyy55 at yahoo.com (bbkkyy55) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:16:58 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: <000001c6357c$da2480c0$220110ac@morimain> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Morianna X. Smythe" wrote: > > > > > Many of my friends are startled when they hear I'm rereading a book. > Great books can be reread because you enjoy the trip. You're not > just speeding to the end to find out what happens. > > When I *DO* re-read books for fun, these are my "staples." > > Tanith Lee's Tales of the Flat Earth series--if you like/LOVE Snape, I > suspect you'll LOVE Azhrarn the Beautiful, Prince of Wickedness > Le Guin's EarthSea series > Herbert's original Dune series (before the kids got into Dad's > safety-deposit box and decided to finish writing Dad's stuff! Hubris!) > Stewart's Merlin series > The Coldfire Trilogy by CS Friedrich (I think) > > And of course, almost any of Stephen King's stuff. > Prof Mori > > Thank you for your suggestions everyone. I have made notes. I have to put in a vote for Stewart's Merlin Series. I'd forgotten about that. I just fell in love with Merlin. Thanks again. Bonnie From catlady at wicca.net Mon Feb 20 00:19:56 2006 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:19:56 -0000 Subject: Dark Lord, Secret-Keeper, and Spinners in the news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tonks_op wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/29586 : << When I heard about the Vice President accidentally shooting the attorney. Well with everything else going on with the Vice President and having watched way too many detective movies this was my first thought: So the man knows too much and is going to talk.. well just take him on a hunting trip and make it look like an accident. Just like on the TV movies. >> You seem to be suffering from Auror's Professional Myopia, seeing suspicions where there aren't any. Even I, who have never hunted or shot (except a BBgun at a target, once; I missed the entire target) in my life know that BIRDSHOT is a poor choice of murder weapon. From zgirnius at yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 06:34:07 2006 From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 06:34:07 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I > can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab > me like they do. > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > Bonnie zgirnius: As far as series I can go back and reread any number of times and still enjoy them, because they are still that much fun even when I know exactly what is going to happen...I would recommend the Vorkosigan series by Lois McMaster Bujold. They are SF, not fantasy, set in a future in which the human race has settled a large number of planets. I love the books for many reasons. One is the characters. The main character, Miles Vorkosigan, is a brilliant creation in my opinion. (Though two books in the series are backstory, dealing with Miles' parents and how they come to be together.) He is very complex character. He is well-intentioned and wants to be nice to people, but can be quite manipulative, which gets him into trouble at times. He is also extremely bright/creative, with the downside that he can get carried away with his plans. He has also had a very difficult life because of a physical abnormality which would tend to make him a target of hatred and suspicion on his technologically and socially backward homeworld. The series is also littered with lots of interesting recurring secondary characters. In the first book in which Miles is the main character ("The Warrior's Apprentice") he is seventeen, and reading the books you can see him grow and mature. Like the Potter books, the series has some genre-crossing sublots. One of the books is rather reminiscent of a Regency Romance (while still having an exciting action/suspense/political intrigue plot, hard to describe but touching and extremely funny at times). Spy story and mystery elements occur in other books of the series. Though overall the books tend to get classified as 'Space Opera'. Unlike the Potter books, the series does not have a definite start and end, there is no overarching enemy a la Voldemort. There are villains, even really nasty ones, but they are wholly human. The books are important episodes in the life of the characters. Another charm of the books is how the author uses the science fictional elements to write about universal issues facing our world. (Not at ALL preachy, but if you think about it, she's doing this). Her space travel technology permits there to be enough isolation that there are distinct cultures and levels of technology, and she has characters coming from different cultural backgrounds interacting. Miles' homeworld is technologically backward but undergoing a rapid development which is having an impact on the society. She pays special attention to medical and reproductive technologies and their implications (including a truly creepy life-extension technology that is morally rather equivalent to Voldemort's method, now that I think about it...) Anyway, I'll cease gushing. I love those books. From plungy116 at aol.com Mon Feb 20 14:12:14 2006 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:12:14 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Isn't funny how the list is very ... erm ... listless for ages, and then we all start getting really animated when it comes to our favourite books? As regular listees will probably know I am not a huge reader (but certainly read more than I did before Harry came along). My favourites recently have been 'The Time Traveller's Wife' (which made me laugh and cry and dread - much like HP) and 'The Curious Incident of the Dog and the Night time' - fascinating insight. In terms of fantasy I did enjoy 'Shadowmancer' - it's short, dark and easy reading and the Shadowmancer made me think of what Snape could be like if he let the evil side take over his personality. I have struggled to read 'Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell', which is odd because we have two copies in our house (one hard back, one soft) that people bought, thinking we would enjoy it. I still haven't read Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince for a second time - maybe it's because I can't put myself through the tragedy (nah, only joking), but I know I must because my Fanfic relies heavily on finding Horcruxes and I can't remember all the details! (The Lexicon is good, but I always feel like I'm cheating!). Sarah xx Who has just finished knitting a seven foot long scarf in the Slytherin colours - so sad! (but very warm) From mcjuels at yahoo.com Mon Feb 20 13:10:52 2006 From: mcjuels at yahoo.com (mcjuels) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:10:52 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would recommend Katherine Kerr's Deverry series. Start with Daggerspell. I think there are 10-12 books in the series. These are great books because even after all these books the story hasn't gone stale the way some series do. The author still has fresh stories to tell. Juli --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" wrote: > > I haven't posted for a loooong time. I think I'm in mourning. How > can we wait two years for the next Harry Potter. I've been trying to > find some other books that I can care about as much as Harry. While I > have really enjoyed some of them I must say they don't grab me the > way Harry does. I'm not sure what I love about Harry, maybe it's the > depth of feeling that is shown in the main characters. > > Many of my friends are startled when they hear I'm rereading a book. > Great books can be reread because you enjoy the trip. You're not > just speeding to the end to find out what happens. > > Harry got me started on Fantasy/Science Fiction. Here's my list of > good books I enjoyed. Terry Brooks "Shannara Series", Robert > Jordan's "Wheel of Time Series". Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game". > Christopher Paolini's "Eldest". Philip Pullman "His Dark Materials" > Trilogy (not done with book 3 yet). I'm sure there are others. > > But, the Great books. The ones I can read over and over, I even have > to make myself stop reading them again. Charles Dickens "Bleak > House", "David Copperfield", "Nicholas Nickleby", and others. "Jane > Eyre". "Lord of the Rings". Harry Potter (especially book 5). > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I > can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab > me like they do. > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > Bonnie > From cquinn at mn.rr.com Mon Feb 20 16:20:14 2006 From: cquinn at mn.rr.com (twobeaglesgirl) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:20:14 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bbkkyy55" wrote: > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I > can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab > me like they do. > > Anxious to hear your ideas, > Bonnie > 2beagles: I would like to throw in "The Sparrow," and "Children of God," in that order. Both written by Mary Doria Russell. They are about a group of Jesuit missionaries who hop on a asteroid to another planet. Sounds a little "out there," but they are excellent books, especially the first one. It is SciFi with a mixed with a little Theology. The author is very thorough in the details of another world. And the story is great too. She apparently has a new book out that is not a follow up to the first two, but I'm still looking forward to reading it. I'm about to start reading "Gilead." I've been into the Historical fiction genre in between HP books and have heard good things about it. --2 beagles :) From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Tue Feb 21 08:39:43 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:39:43 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bonnie: > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books grab me like they do. Dungrollin: One of my all-time favourites is The Man Who Was Thursday, by G.K. Chesterton. It's quite short, and although the ending's a bit lame, it's definitely worth a read because there's a punch in the face at the end of every chapter. Others I love are The King Must Die, and The Bull From the Sea, by Mary Renault, which tell the story of Theseus, his time in Crete as a bull dancer, the labyrinth, his return to Greece and so on. Very nicely written, Theseus ascribes all sorts of natural phenomena to the will of the Gods, and it works *perfectly*, turning a myth into fantasy that could easily have been real. Snape fans might enjoy the Flashman series by George McDonald Fraser. He takes the school bully Harry Flashman, from Tom Brown's Schooldays, and writes a series of adventures beginning from the day he's expelled from Rugby for drunkenness. Hilariously funny, historically very accurate (Flashman turns up in all the major foriegn campaigns Victorain England got involved in), but don't read them if you like virtuous heroes who hang around to defend their friends and don't turn tail and flee when danger threatens! Someone else mentioned the Time Traveller's Wife, which I'll second as excellent. Behind the Scenes at the Museum (Kate Atkinson) is likewise excellent, Enduring Love is bloody marvellous, as is Atonement (Ian McKeowan), and anything at all by Margaret Atwood. If you like animals and like laughing very *very* hard, read everything you can get hold of by Gerald Durrell, starting with My Family and Other Animals. More historical stuff: An Instance of the Fingerpost (Ian Pears), which is dense and thick with small type and difficult language, but the story is *brilliant*. Set in Oxford just after the Restoration of Charles II, about puritans and science, and spies and secrets and... oh it's *lovely*! Just to give you an idea, I hated The Lovely Bones, and I *detested* The Da Vinci Code, so you might not want to listen to anything I have to say at all. Dungrollin From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Tue Feb 21 08:58:15 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:58:15 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dungrollin: Enduring Love is bloody marvellous, as is > Atonement (Ian McKeowan), and anything at all by Margaret Atwood. > Dear oh dear, I meant Ian McEwan, of course... From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za Tue Feb 21 09:08:18 2006 From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:08:18 +0200 Subject: Great Great Books Message-ID: I love the Narnia books and Raymond R Feist. Give the Raymond R Feist a try. Sorry for the spelling. The Lord of the Rings books are my favorites at the moment. Cairie PS the Narnia books are written by C.S. Lewis >>> spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com 2006-02-21 10:58 >>> Dungrollin: Enduring Love is bloody marvellous, as is > Atonement (Ian McKeowan), and anything at all by Margaret Atwood. > > Dear oh dear, I meant Ian McEwan, of course... From bunniqula at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 14:26:16 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:26:16 -0500 Subject: ABC film crew here Message-ID: <1a2738400602210626h7060c209x404955cfa1448985@mail.gmail.com> It's for some sort of pre-filming for a reality TV show. {shrug} On ex-wives club? I'm amused they have the Hugo Boss clothes and even have Ralph Lauren underwear for the guy to wear. {quirks eyebrow} I noticed the empty box in my garbage can. Anyway, name brand underwear that won't be seen? {shakes head then chuckles} I think I may have met Marla Maples when she asked me for one of the film guys and not recognized her, until they said her name. =:-o Dina From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Tue Feb 21 17:29:15 2006 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:29:15 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "mcjuels" wrote: > I would recommend Katherine Kerr's Deverry series. > Start with Daggerspell. I think there are 10-12 > books in the series. These are great books because > even after all these books the story hasn't gone > stale the way some series do. The author still has > fresh stories to tell. I second this recommendation. The series has 11 books published, and book 12 is due out in a few months. The author has a website, at http://deverry.com/ It should be noted that parts of the website contain spoilers for the books she has written. She also participates on a Yahoo!Group about her books, and even runs a livejournal, so she's an author it's easy to get in touch with. I also recommend another book by the same author: Snare, which is a stand-alone book. Both the Deverry-series and Snare are books that I can re-read again and again, and each time find something new. Best regards Christian Stub? From mskeshaffer at earthlink.net Tue Feb 21 19:08:35 2006 From: mskeshaffer at earthlink.net (Martha Shaffer) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:08:35 -0500 Subject: Great Great Books References: <1140528682.286.19614.m20@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002c01c6371a$387273a0$0a055804@youryk5cbmeeo8> I would recommend Marion Zimmer Bradley: Mists of Avalon Darkover series "Light" series- witchlight, gravelight, etc. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 20:43:18 2006 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:43:18 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Thank you Sherry, I will look into your suggestions. And yes, I am > interested in any book someone thinks is "Great, Great" > > Thank you all, > > Bonnie > How about that flawed masterpiece, "Moby Dick," which combines literary allusions, treatises on whaling, high tragedy, and epic quest, without abiding by expectations of genre and narrative technique that hadn't yet been established? Melville's style takes a while to get used to, and Ishmael (the narrator) drops out of the picture for long periods even though he's ostensibly telling the story, but the book exercises an odd fascination. Last time I read it (1998), I was compelled to analyze my favorite scenes in essays no one would read. I was new to the Internet then, and if online discussion groups existed, I didn't know it. Too bad. Anyway, I think it deserves its place as a literary classic and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to make the effort to read it. A familiarity with the Bible and with Shakespeare is helpful but not essential, and you can choose either an annotated or an unannotated edition. Carol From plungy116 at aol.com Tue Feb 21 20:51:55 2006 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:51:55 -0000 Subject: Fan Fic Correct English (or not) Message-ID: Just a quick question. I have a scene with Dung, who is talking about Harry and the Hog's Head pub. Dung is the sort of person who might drop his h's, so my question is, in dialogue when Dung is using a noun, but dropping the 'h', does the next letter become capitalised? eg 'Arry, or 'arry ? I'm thinking that the vowel should remain lower case, but I'm just checking because I don't think this is the sort of thing you can look up in a grammar book. TIA Sarah xx From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 21:06:14 2006 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:06:14 -0000 Subject: Fan Fic Correct English (or not) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Leigh ..." wrote: > > Just a quick question. > I have a scene with Dung, who is talking about Harry and the Hog's Head pub. > Dung is the sort of person who might drop his h's, so my question is, in dialogue when Dung is using a noun, but dropping the 'h', does the next letter become capitalised? > eg 'Arry, or 'arry ? > > I'm thinking that the vowel should remain lower case, but I'm just checking because I don't think this is the sort of thing you can look up in a grammar book. > > TIA Sarah xx > Interesting question. As a copyeditor, I would recommend capitalizing it because a name remains a name even with the initial letter dropped (and of course it would be capitalized at the beginning of a sentence, regardless). I checked HBP, and JKR (or her editor) capitalizes "'Arry" as spoken by Fleur in "An Excess of Phlegm." "'Agrid" is treated the same way in GoF. So even if you're not persuaded by my reasoning, you can't go wrong in following JKR and her editors. Carol, whose usual source for editing questions would not be a grammar book but "The Chicago Manual of Style," which is followed by the majority of American publishers except those in specialized fields like medicine and psychology From plungy116 at aol.com Tue Feb 21 21:14:06 2006 From: plungy116 at aol.com (Sarah Leigh ...) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:14:06 -0000 Subject: Fan Fic Correct English (or not) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: I checked HBP, and JKR (or her editor) capitalizes > "'Arry" as spoken by Fleur in "An Excess of Phlegm." "'Agrid" is > treated the same way in GoF. So even if you're not persuaded by my > reasoning, you can't go wrong in following JKR and her editors. Thankyou. Had I thought for just a moment longer I might have checked with JKR - DOH! Sometimes my mind is just a void!! Sarah xx From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 21 23:26:18 2006 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:26:18 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" wrote: > > Bonnie: > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe > I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books > grab me like they do. > > Dungrollin: > If you like animals and like laughing very *very* hard, read > everything you can get hold of by Gerald Durrell, starting with My > Family and Other Animals. Alla: Oh, yes, yes,yes - I love Durrell, I second this recommendation - every single book of his, in fact. He has a very charming style and so very funny. In fact, I just bought My family and other animals today - I read it, but did not own it yet. From juli17 at aol.com Wed Feb 22 00:18:58 2006 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:18:58 EST Subject: Great Great Books Message-ID: <228.6c024b0.312d07f2@aol.com> Dungrollin wrote: Others I love are The King Must Die, and The Bull From the Sea, by Mary Renault, which tell the story of Theseus, his time in Crete as a bull dancer, the labyrinth, his return to Greece and so on. Very nicely written, Theseus ascribes all sorts of natural phenomena to the will of the Gods, and it works *perfectly*, turning a myth into fantasy that could easily have been real. Julie: I LOVE Mary Renault's books. I'd also recommend The Praise Singer, and the Alexander the Great trilogy (sort of), The Fire from Heaven, The Persian Boy and Funeral Games. Someone else mentioned the Time Traveller's Wife, which I'll second as excellent. Behind the Scenes at the Museum (Kate Atkinson) is likewise excellent, Enduring Love is bloody marvellous, as is Atonement (Ian McKeowan), and anything at all by Margaret Atwood. Julie: I'd particularly recommend The Handmaid's Tale by Atwood. One very scary book because it could really happen. Just a few steps down a slippery slope... Just to give you an idea, I hated The Lovely Bones, and I *detested* The Da Vinci Code, so you might not want to listen to anything I have to say at all. Julie: Interesting. I was very deeply moved by The Lovely Bones, though I admit I kept waiting for the villian to get his just desserts. But I ended up appreciating the reality of it, that no matter how much you wish it, quite often everything does not get tied up into a neat bow, and justice isn't always served. I do agree with you about the DaVinci Code. Brown built an implausible plot on the leanest of "evidence" (though he implied a great deal more exists than is actually the case), and his characters were overwrought, lacking in depth or believability. Also they were very stupid, considering their supposed pedigrees. I admit in a bit of intellectual snobbery I was actually offended that this very badly written book garnered Brown so much fame and fortune. (Yes, the story moved very quickly, but rather like a runaway train that jumped the tracks and obliterated every structure in its erratic path). But that is just my opinion! Julie (who will have a hard time watching the movie based on this annoying book, despite the presence of Tom Hanks and Paul Bettany) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From srbecca at hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 01:00:20 2006 From: srbecca at hotmail.com (Rebecca Dreiling) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:00:20 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: <228.6c024b0.312d07f2@aol.com> Message-ID: I've already mentioned these books but, I'm going to again, because I love them! Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next books are wickedly smart and fun. He's also written the 1rst book in his Nursery Crime Series called The Big Over Easy which is also very funny. If I was going to read one of his books first, I would go with The Eyre Affair. If you're into mysteries, as I am, Laurie R. King's Mary Russell books are very fun. Pure frivolity really...Sherlock Holmes takes on a young female assistant in his later years ..well, you get the gist. I read Gone with The Wind (I know, not very high brow :) every couple years. I find, with time, that I look at the characters in a different way. When I was 15, I looked at Scarlett's life and thought "Oh, how wicked and fun". Ten years later, I feel a bit sorry for her. I love a book that can be rich and rewarding at different times of your life. For pure, no brainer, historical cross-genre fiction, I love The Outlander Series. This is more for the ladies (my gay bro thinks they are fun too) but, I enjoy the time-traveling rough men in kilts with a historical bent to the books. She doesn't take herself too seriously and I enjoy that. I could name off a ton of classic lit that I have loved. I find however, at this stage in my life, I value entertainment and escapism as oppossed to a hard, depressing read. (This is not limited to lit as I feel the same about films for the most part...I hate leaving the theatre feeling like I want to cry for a week! Just not my thing anymore....when I was 14 The Brontes and the like were perfectly suited not so much anymore) From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 02:06:03 2006 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:06:03 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Bonnie: > > > I'd love to hear what you all think are the "Great Books". Maybe > > I can broaden my horizons, or at least figure out why these books > > grab me like they do. > > > > Dungrollin: > > > If you like animals and like laughing very *very* hard, read > > everything you can get hold of by Gerald Durrell, starting with My > > Family and Other Animals. > > Alla: > > Oh, yes, yes,yes - I love Durrell, I second this recommendation - > every single book of his, in fact. He has a very charming style and > so very funny. > > In fact, I just bought My family and other animals today - I read > it, but did not own it yet. > Alla: Right, sorry about replying to my own post, but I was not at home when I was typing the first one and wanted to double check the author for one of the two books I wanted to recommend. I don't think anybody else recommended them so far. The first one is the latest (I think) book by Neil Gaiman - Anansy boys. I fyou liked "American Gods", you will enjoy this one, IMO. The second one is by much less known author, I guess I can even say unknown author (at least to me). The author is Nina Bernstein ( the book cover says that she used to be staff reporter for New York Times) and it is called "Magic by the book". I was surprised that I enjoyed it, because at the first look I thought that this is the book which is sort of below my reading level. I will be the very last person to look down upon children books, LOL. I can enjoy SO many of them, but some of them I just feel that I overgrew. Luckily this is turned to be not one of those. Basically this book is about three siblings, who get strange book in the library, which when one begins to read, transports them into famous books of the past and describes their adventures within those famous books. ( War and peace, Robin Hood and some other book, I don't remember which one). Probably I loved this book so much because I loved imagining myself inside the books I loved when I was a child. Alla From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 14:42:43 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:42:43 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: <228.6c024b0.312d07f2@aol.com> Message-ID: Julie: I'd particularly recommend The Handmaid's Tale by Atwood. One very scary book because it could really happen. Just a few steps down a slippery slope... Dung: I only got into Atwood relatively recently, but have to say that my favourite (so far ? I'm trying not to rush through them all at once) is The Edible Woman. Closely followed by Cat's Eye. Oryx and Crake, Alias Grace, and The Blind Assassin were great, too. Dung earlier: Just to give you an idea, I hated The Lovely Bones, and I *detested* The Da Vinci Code, so you might not want to listen to anything I have to say at all. Julie: Interesting. I was very deeply moved by The Lovely Bones, though I admit I kept waiting for the villian to get his just desserts. But I ended up appreciating the reality of it, that no matter how much you wish it, quite often everything does not get tied up into a neat bow, and justice isn't always served. Dung: Hmmm. I thought it had *great* potential, and then went nowhere near any of the interesting avenues I thought were crying out to be explored. Hey ho. Julie: I do agree with you about the DaVinci Code. Brown built an implausible plot on the leanest of "evidence" (though he implied a great deal more exists than is actually the case), and his characters were overwrought, lacking in depth or believability. Also they were very stupid, considering their supposed pedigrees. I admit in a bit of intellectual snobbery I was actually offended that this very badly written book garnered Brown so much fame and fortune. (Yes, the story moved very quickly, but rather like a runaway train that jumped the tracks and obliterated every structure in its erratic path). But that is just my opinion! Dung: I don't quite remember why I bothered finishing it ? probably because I wanted to be able to thoroughly abuse it to everyone I know. It was in quite an early chapter that I saw "millenniums", threw some stuff at the wall, and vowed to denounce it to all and sundry as a cheap rip-off of The Holy Blood And The Holy Grail. Badly-written books don't normally make me *cross*, I just don't bother finishing them and move on, but this one was particularly irritating because Dan Brown can clearly plot like a fox. Another couple of months of rewrites and editing and it could have turned into a really not too bad thriller. What was his editor thinking? (Quite possibly: "This is re-write 18, it's not going to get any better, let's just publish it as it is and rake in the cash.") Re: Gerald Durrell I agree with Alla about something - crack open the Champagne! Actually, I realised recently that when I'm reading HP, the face and voice that I imagine for Lupin is identical (minus the beard and hat) to the face and voice I imagine for Theodore (who I grew up wanting to marry nearly as much as David Attenborough). A few more good'uns to add: The Life of Pi ? Yann Martel. The Picture of Dorian Grey ? Oscar Wilde. The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency ? Alexander McCall Smith Sophie's World ? Jostein Gaarder One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch - Alexander Solzhenitsyn Perfume: The Story of a Murderer - Patrick Suskind That last one should be read by absolutely everybody in the whole world. No excuses. God I love reading. My absolute ideal evening involves an enormous mug of tea, a large packet of chocolate biscuits, an exceptionally comfortable chair, and a *really* good book. And no visitors or phonecalls. Dungrollin Thinking it's been a while since she read Perfume... now where did she put it/who did she lend it to? From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 17:14:32 2006 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:14:32 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Dung: > I only got into Atwood relatively recently, but have to say that my > favourite (so far ? I'm trying not to rush through them all at once) > is The Edible Woman. Closely followed by Cat's Eye. Oryx and Crake, > Alias Grace, and The Blind Assassin were great, too. Alla: Heee. See, we agree again. I have a feeling that if we were to talk about "things unrelated to Snape", we would agree on quite a few topics. :-) "Blind assassin" was fascinating read. I found it to be a little hard to get through, because of language complexities, but fascinating nevertheless. Re: Gerald Durrell > I agree with Alla about something - crack open the Champagne! > Actually, I realised recently that when I'm reading HP, the face and > voice that I imagine for Lupin is identical (minus the beard and > hat) to the face and voice I imagine for Theodore (who I grew up > wanting to marry nearly as much as David Attenborough). Alla: Yes, yes, me too, me too. I have a whole bunch of his books in Russian and now I started buying the originals. Dung: > A few more good'uns to add: > The Life of Pi ? Yann Martel. > The Picture of Dorian Grey ? Oscar Wilde. > The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency ? Alexander McCall Smith > Sophie's World ? Jostein Gaarder > One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch - Alexander Solzhenitsyn > Perfume: The Story of a Murderer - Patrick Suskind Alla: Ooooo, YES. Loved Dorian grey. Loved "ladies detective agency". Am always flattered when I see people reading Soltzhenitsyn. Perfume though found to be incredibly well written and incredibly GROSS at the same time. Dung: > That last one should be read by absolutely everybody in the whole > world. No excuses. Alla: Weeeel, that was an unusual book, that's for sure. as my sister in law said that it is the first time in her life when she read the book more with her nose than with her eyes. But I love rereading books and I am not sure if Perfume I will ever reread again Dung: > God I love reading. My absolute ideal evening involves an enormous > mug of tea, a large packet of chocolate biscuits, an exceptionally > comfortable chair, and a *really* good book. And no visitors or > phonecalls. Alla: Yep. From kempermentor at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 20:11:02 2006 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:11:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Russian book "Night watch" Message-ID: <20060222201102.80198.qmail@web51614.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, I'm looking for an english translation of Sergei Lukyanenko's "Night Watch". Apparently, it's kick ass. The Russians made it into a movie that's coming out soon, and I was hoping to read book prior to the watching the movie adaptation. Amazon has it coming out in the US in late July. Boo. So... does anyone have suggestion to where I might read it online? Thanks! Kemper --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jlnbtr at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 20:41:46 2006 From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:41:46 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Here're my favorites (some of them) John Crisham: The entire series up to The Farm Robin Cook: All of them!!! LOTR Narnia Paolini's Eragon and Eldest Rosalind Miles' series of Camelot (Guinevere, Lancelot...) The Classics: Voltaire, Moliere, Flaubert... From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Feb 22 23:52:02 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:52:02 -0000 Subject: More Great Books Message-ID: WE have debates in the past the merits of "A Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy Toole For the most part, you either love every histerically funny page of it, or you just don't get it. Personally, I loved this book. From the book summary at Amazon.com "Toole's lunatic and sage novel introduces one of the most memorable characters in American literature, Ignatius J. Reilly, whom Walker Percy dubs "slob extraordinaire, a mad Oliver Hardy, a fat Don Quixote, a perverse Thomas Aquinas rolled into one." Set in New Orleans,... As its characters burst into life, they leave the region and literature forever changed by their presence..." This book won a Pulitzer Prize for Fiction; it's that good. However, there is a another little know book written by J.K.Toole when he was only 16 years old, and the potential genius is very easy to see. Of course, a book written at age 16 isn't going to compare to the Pulitzer Prise winning book of the adult Toole, but it is none the less a fun read, and encompasses an equally abusrd life and cast of characters. I really enjoyed it. Sadly, this brilliant writer with so much potential to affect the heart and lives of the world around him succumb to his own internal demons and ended his life. A very great loss to the world. The book is - "The Neon Bible" by John Kennedy Toole "...written when Toole was just 16 and left in pieces to his heirs. While far from the masterpiece Toole would write later in his life, this story of a poor boy growing up in a small, claustrophobic, closed-minded Southern town in the 1940s, is an astonishing accomplishment for an adolescent. Narrator David lives with his mother, who is never fully herself after his father dies in World War II, and his gaudy Aunt Mae, a bleached-blonde roadhouse singer in her 60s. The story is familiar and believable, a tantalizing reminder of the talent that has been lost. It deserves a wide audience." - From Library Journal quoted at Amazon.com Both books bring us an hysterically funny off-kilter view of the world. Just passing it along. Steve/bboyminn From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 02:20:06 2006 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:20:06 -0000 Subject: Russian book "Night watch" In-Reply-To: <20060222201102.80198.qmail@web51614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm looking for an english translation of Sergei Lukyanenko's "Night Watch". Apparently, it's kick ass. The Russians made it into a movie that's coming out soon, and I was hoping to read book prior to the watching the movie adaptation. Amazon has it coming out in the US in late July. Boo. So... does anyone have suggestion to where I might read it online? > > Thanks! > Kemper > Alla: Oh, my god. Kemper do yourself a favor - do NOT, I repeat do NOT watch this movie. The book is indeed a kick ass story. The adaptation is well... how I put it nicely? Horrible, absolutely horrible. Especially do not watch the movie prior to reading the book, since the book is indeed worth reading as great fantasy/adventure and you may not want to bother with the book after you watch the movie. I mean, maybe your tastes are THAT different from mine, but I am a big fan of this writer and so does my brother. We both hated the movie, even though it was introduced as truly wonderful by many people. I do not have Lukianenko website bookmarked, but I will check it out for you, maybe he has translated version on the website, although I doubt it, since he now may want people to pay for reading it. :-) Listen, I have a DVD in Russian. I am not sure if it has English subtitles, but I can send it to you for free. I AM trying to get rid of it. :-) Alla, whose jaw literally dropped when she saw that somebody bought this movie in US, but who certainly recommends "Night watch" for reading. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Thu Feb 23 16:12:10 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:12:10 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Dung: > > I only got into Atwood relatively recently, but have to say that > my favourite (so far ? I'm trying not to rush through them all at > once) is The Edible Woman. Closely followed by Cat's Eye. Oryx and > Crake,Alias Grace, and The Blind Assassin were great, too. > > Alla: > > Heee. See, we agree again. I have a feeling that if we were to talk about "things unrelated to Snape", we would agree on quite a few topics. :-) > Dung: No we wouldn't!! (That was a joke.) > Dung: > > A few more good'uns to add: > > The Life of Pi ? Yann Martel. > > The Picture of Dorian Grey ? Oscar Wilde. > > The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency ? Alexander McCall Smith > > Sophie's World ? Jostein Gaarder > > One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch - Alexander Solzhenitsyn > > Perfume: The Story of a Murderer - Patrick Suskind > > Alla: > > Ooooo, YES. Loved Dorian grey. Loved "ladies detective agency". Am > always flattered when I see people reading Soltzhenitsyn. > Dung: You're originally from the Ukraine, right? My grandfather was Polish, from Lviv (I was going to write it ?w?w - but I'm sure that's wrong - correct me!) - anyway, it's now part of Ukraine. He was deported to Siberia by the Russians at the beginning of WW2, and was told to dig his own grave at gun-point. We have two passport photographs of him, one from 1939, depicting a happy smiling young man, and one from 1941, in which his hair is completely white, and his face is lined like a man twenty years older. Unfortunately he died when I was 18 months old. I really wish I'd met him. Have you read Kolyma Tales? (Can't remember who it's by, and left my copy in another country, sorry.) It's pretty harrowing, to be honest (much more so than Ivan Denisovitch), but I think it's even better written. - Don't expect it to cheer you up though. Alla > Perfume though found to be incredibly well written and incredibly > GROSS at the same time. Dung: True enough - perhaps I should have appended a note "Not for the squeamish." Anyway, ceasefire's over, I'm drawing my cutlass again now (see main list) - back to Snape... From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 23 17:43:07 2006 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:43:07 -0000 Subject: Great Great Books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Alla: > > > > Heee. See, we agree again. I have a feeling that if we were to > talk about "things unrelated to Snape", we would agree on quite a > few topics. :-) > > > > Dung: > No we wouldn't!! > > (That was a joke.) Alla: :-) > Dung: > You're originally from the Ukraine, right? My grandfather was > Polish, from Lviv (I was going to write it ?w?w - but I'm sure > that's wrong - correct me!) - anyway, it's now part of Ukraine. He > was deported to Siberia by the Russians at the beginning of WW2, and > was told to dig his own grave at gun-point. We have two passport > photographs of him, one from 1939, depicting a happy smiling young > man, and one from 1941, in which his hair is completely white, and > his face is lined like a man twenty years older. Unfortunately he > died when I was 18 months old. I really wish I'd met him. Alla: Yes, I am from Kiev, Ukraine. Came to US to live as a refugee eight years ago. Lviv is a beatiful city, it is part of Ukraine now. Dung: > Have you read Kolyma Tales? (Can't remember who it's by, and left my > copy in another country, sorry.) It's pretty harrowing, to be honest > (much more so than Ivan Denisovitch), but I think it's even better > written. - Don't expect it to cheer you up though. Alla: I heard about this book ( is it by Ginsburg?) but have not read it, because at one point in time I read SO much about Stalin's terror that I could not read anymore. Too much horror and pain. I mean, I felt I had an obligation to myself to learn as much as possible, because prior to "glasnost" and "perestroika" those books were not available at all, but at some point to keep my sanity in tact I had to stop. I feel so sorry for your grandfather's sufferings, but the horror is that millions suffered the same pain, as you know. Sometimes I wonder why whatever higher force is up there decided to punish the people of those lands so badly and for so long, you know. Dung: > Anyway, ceasefire's over, I'm drawing my cutlass again now (see main > list) - back to Snape... > Alla: LOL! I just answered it, but after rereading mine, I am not sure you wil find it worth answering, since it looks like just restating of different assumptions we have :) From liadynmalfoy at yahoo.ca Fri Feb 24 03:26:37 2006 From: liadynmalfoy at yahoo.ca (liadynmalfoy) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:26:37 -0000 Subject: Brand New Post Hogwarts RP! Message-ID: Hey There Guys!!! A Friend of mine has just opened a brand new post Hogwarts RP. So far the only characters claimed are Kaite Bell and Harry Potter. OOC Characters are more then welcome and she accepts your own characters as well. This particular RP is called Magic Heals. Everyone's all grown up and working in Saint Mungo's! Some are doctor's others are nurses, while a few are even patients in one of the many wards. Like Pediatrics? Maternity? Spell Damage? All positions on all floors are avaliable! Come check it out and bring a friend!!! http://www.greatestjournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=magic_heals From bunniqula at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 16:58:39 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:39 -0500 Subject: I suck RE: putting together computer Message-ID: <1a2738400602250858pf9837a2k1622b9b593786f1f@mail.gmail.com> Okay, the motherboard instructions specify do NOT touch the CPU/processor interface... and y'all can guess that I touched both the Pentium's underside and the processor's socket on the motherboard. :-\ The Thermaltake Xaser case has a thermal probe that needs to go between processor and socket, so I kinda need to touch the area to affix the double-sided thermal adhesive and then see that the thin wires are properly seated. Uh, maybe the upside being I had on an anti-static wristband. I'll eventually find out. I have to go grocery shopping today and then speck out the Greek festival for curiosity. Dina From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 26 06:57:49 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Feb 2006 06:57:49 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/26/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1140937069.23.43377.m14@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 26, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 11 hours, 3 minutes.) Notes: Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Since Yahoo has closed all user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on the main list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat Hope to see you there! 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Thank you for taking the time to read my post, Claire Phillips (21) email: suggsgirl at hotmail.com From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 26 17:59:23 2006 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Feb 2006 17:59:23 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/26/2006, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1140976763.12.99529.m34@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from the Calendar of HPFGU-OTChatter http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 26, 2006 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Notes: Hi, everyone! Just a reminder: Drop in to Sunday chat! Start time: 11 am Pacific 12 pm Mountain 1 pm Central 2 pm Eastern 7 pm UK time Chat generally goes on for about 5 hours, but can last as long as people want it to last. Since Yahoo has closed all user-created chat rooms, we are now using the Chat feature on the main list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat Hope to see you there! 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The LED light next to the motherboard power supply and RAM lights up, even when the computer isn't turned on--as long as the backswitch is on. I turn on the computer and the front power light comes on but none of the fans turn on (e.g. CPU, power supply, and case fans, which aren't hooked up to the motherboard--they're hooked up to a 'hardcano' on the Thermaltake case, which even that display doesn turn on and I know all plugs are hooked up to the power plugs. I've already ripped out the floppy from my 1995 computer and the PSU on that puppy is like 100-150... Hm, maybe I'll try ripping that out and see what happens. Gah, I hope it isn't too old. Though, I was thinking about upgrading the included 420 PSU that came with the Thermaltake case with an Antec 550 PSU. Err, bought the case off eBay too. Motherboard is new, unless I fried it by accident. Good thing my tax refund is $1200+. {sigh} Learning experience, I just keep telling myself. Sadly, I'd rather piss away my refund on this frustrating project than go on vacation... That's really pathetic in a 'I have no life' scenario. {chuckle} Dina From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 07:16:16 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:16:16 -0000 Subject: Built computer doesn't work :-( In-Reply-To: <1a2738400602261759i9e4e7davf7d5aa09789dde26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > > The computer I was building doesn't work. Almost same problem as this person: > ... I turn on the computer and the front power light comes on > but none of the fans turn on (e.g. CPU, power supply, and case > fans, which aren't hooked up to the motherboard--they're hooked > up to a 'hardcano'on the Thermaltake case, ... > > ...edited... > > Dina > bboyminn: You should be aware that if the FAN plugs on the motherboard are THREE WIRE fans, one of the wires is a feedback signal indicating that the fan is working. If the fan is not working, or the feedback signal is not there, the power supply is shut down before it even has a chance to start up. Basically, you turn the power on and hear a faint 'click' and ...nothing. If you do not have fans pluged into the motherboard, then that is very likely your problem. Also, one of those fan plugs is considered the Processor fan, in all likelihood that is the one that is causing the problem. If you have futher question, and you need expert help, here are two good sources. Virtual DR - Various Windows OS, Software, Internet, other problems http://discussions.virtualdr.com/index.php? You can read without registering, but you can't post. It's worth registering, and they never send you any email except when someone responds to your post. Hardware Central - run by the same organization, but geared more toward hardware. http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/ I will be happy to answer question here in the group or directly. Steve/bboyminn From bunniqula at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 09:57:06 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 04:57:06 -0500 Subject: Built computer doesn't work :-( In-Reply-To: References: <1a2738400602261759i9e4e7davf7d5aa09789dde26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a2738400602270157r7da23788v3f9413ecdab2b679@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Steve wrote: > You should be aware that if the FAN plugs on the motherboard are THREE > WIRE fans, one of the wires is a feedback signal indicating that the I know there are at least three spots (front, rear, aux) on the motherboard where case fans are plugged in, however, these connections go through the hardcano temp sensor, which has its own on/off switch, and not the motherboard. I would have to unplug the three pin connections from the hardcano and directly hook them up to the motherboard. While the CPU fan only had a three pin plug that is hooked up to the motherboard. > fan is working. If the fan is not working, or the feedback signal is > not there, the power supply is shut down before it even has a chance > to start up. Basically, you turn the power on and hear a faint 'click' > and ...nothing. I don't hear anything and my ear is within half a foot of an open case. I followed both case and motherboard instructions and studied every part of that motherboard. Intel came with a very detailed instruction booklet and diagram--both of which are in color--which is why I went with this board, besides it being a recommended solid board. The easiest test I've thought of is to unhook the hardcano, including removing the fan plugs, from the Thermaltake tower and hook it up to a spare power on another working tower. Dina From bunniqula at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 14:26:24 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:26:24 -0500 Subject: And boss peeve Re: Built computer doesn't work :-( Message-ID: <1a2738400602270626j7d14c73wb423c140cd02939@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Dina Lerret wrote: > The easiest test I've thought of is to unhook the hardcano, including > removing the fan plugs, from the Thermaltake tower and hook it up to a > spare power on another working tower. Addendum my half asleep mind forgot to add: And also hook up the fans directly to the mobo, however, their power connections weren't designed for direct motherboard connection (bulky female connect does not match small male pins). I need to use the hardcano cable extensions. Wooboy, I'm at work and checked the weekend mail. An annoying peeve of mine is how my boss uses one shopping center's company checking account as his personal back-up 'piggy bank'. In other words, his personal account uses the company account as a personal overdraft and he doesn't notify me of the hundreds to *thousands* of dollars he takes out of the company account. So, I have three insufficient funds checks that added on $90 of extra banking fees. I really *try* to keep everything in balance and manage funds but... *man*, that annoys me considering the prior week I wrote out two checks around $22,500 for his... whatever use and I don't have authorization to check online for available funds. He also did it around the time I had to submit funds to the Florida Department of Revenue and that check was initially rejected by the bank. Gah, I hope I don't see penalty fees from that. Plus. he'll be pulling out at least a couple thousand in cash today as well. Err, this is so *not* good considering there's a large upcoming mortgage loan payment on the center in a dozen days and I *may* only have a fifth of the funds and then there's a couple other bills where some serious funds are going to be pulled. If it wasn't for all those overdrafts, I could've made all bill payments. Yeah, I piss away *some* money but I also compensate by ramen noodles {g}, rice in bulk, wearing clothing to rags and then shopping at outlet/on sale stores, and being really tight on other areas of spending. Dude, this isn't the first time either, and I have to juggle funds between multiple shopping centers and business accounts owned by this family. Bad form to tell your boss quit spending [his**] money. {g} **As sole shareholder of that particular company, he can pull out as much money as he wants. Dina From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Feb 27 19:23:59 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:23:59 -0000 Subject: Built computer doesn't work :-( In-Reply-To: <1a2738400602270157r7da23788v3f9413ecdab2b679@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: See messages below- --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > > On 2/27/06, Steve wrote: > > > You should be aware that if the FAN plugs on the motherboard are > > THREE WIRE fans, one of the wires is a feedback signal indicating > > that the... > Dina: > > I know there are at least three spots (front, rear, aux) on the > motherboard where case fans are plugged in, however, these > connections go through the hardcano temp sensor, which has its > own on/off switch, and not the motherboard. ... > bboyminn/Steve: Of course, my point is that each individual fan plug has three wires - Power, Ground, and Feedback. Regardless of how you have it configured, if the motherboard is not getting 'feedback' signals from the fans it will not allow the power supply to come on. I would first try to configue everything without the Hardcano. See if you can get it working that way, then once it is working, add the Hardcano. In other word, start with the least complicated configuration then work your way to the most complicated. I can't say for sure that this is your problem, but it sounds like it. While I only speculate, I assume the Hardcano case provides feedback signals to the motherboard; perhaps they are plugged wrong. Maybe the feedback line is plugged to the Power pin. The point is, if, for now, you eliminate the Hardcano, you have eliminated one variable. Also, make absolutely sure all other plugs (like hard drive, etc...) are not connected backwards. If you have a lot of optional equipment, start with the most basic configuration, Motherboard, memory, video, hard drive with all other 'things' removed. Get in working in a basic configuation, then add the extras. > > bboyminn: > > ... If the fan is not working, or the feedback signal is not > > there, the power supply is shut down before it even has a > > chance to start up. Basically, you turn the power on and hear > > a faint 'click' and ...nothing. > Dina: > I don't hear anything and my ear is within half a foot of an open > case. > > I followed both case and motherboard instructions and studied every > part of that motherboard. Intel came with a very detailed > instruction booklet and diagram--both of which are in color--which > is why I went with this board, besides it being a recommended solid > board. > > The easiest test I've thought of is to unhook the hardcano, > including removing the fan plugs, from the Thermaltake tower and > hook it up to a spare power on another working tower. > > Dina > bboyminn/Steve: The 'faint click' is a tiny encapsulated reed relay opening. When I say faint, I mean 'faint'. My whole point is to start with the most basic working configuration. The more 'stuff' you have, the more complications you have. Connect the appropriate fans to the appropriate fan connections on the mother board, make absolutely sure they are polarized correctly, and start from there. Once you have it working, then add the Hardcano controller. Also regarding Static Protection while installing. There is some debate about whether the Power Supply should be plugged in while working on the computer. No you don't want power, but YOU DO WANT the ground wire. I suggest plugging the computer into a plugged-in Power Outlet Strip and turning the power switch on the Outlet Strip OFF. That way you are assured of no power, but the ground wire is still available to bleed off any static charge. Personally, I never use a static wrist cord and I have never had a problem, BUT I am fanatic about using static guarded pads to handle everything. I absolutely never touch the circuits or contact points, PLUS I always touch the bare metal case of the Power Supply to make sure any static charge is released before touching anything. I suggest you both maintain strict Static Guard precautions. make sure you have a plugged-in ground wire, and also wear a static wrist cord. Besides Static, two other things will guarantee failure - no feeback lines on the motherboard fan plugs, and any connector that is connected BACKWARDS. So- - Must have feedback lines - Must have all plugs in correctly - Start with the simplest configuration and expand from there with each success. I like to consider this frustrating experience 'Computer Wrestling' because that is exactly what it feels like - a battle to the death between me and the computer. Sometimes it may take weeks, but so far, I've alwasy won; beat and bloody on occassion, but I always win. Good Luck. Steve/bboyminn From bunniqula at gmail.com Mon Feb 27 20:24:34 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:24:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Built computer doesn't work :-( In-Reply-To: References: <1a2738400602270157r7da23788v3f9413ecdab2b679@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a2738400602271224j61f4e1d8ob524ca87403242c4@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/06, Steve wrote: > I like to consider this frustrating experience 'Computer Wrestling' > because that is exactly what it feels like - a battle to the death > between me and the computer. Sometimes it may take weeks, but so far, > I've alwasy won; beat and bloody on occassion, but I always win. Some folk invest in cube puzzles and mine is piecing together a computer. {g} Offhand, I had started out with only the processor, heatsink/fan, RAM, and video card installed to the motherboard, along with power supply connections. Since this is my first build, it was suggested I start with minimal components in case something went wrong. Heh, 'computer wrestling', indeed. {g} Reminds me of my high school course in 'practical' engine mechanics (only girl in the class) and troubleshooting back from three main concerns: air, gasoline/fuel, and power. I used to be able to fix a lawn mower engine. {chuckle} Dina From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Feb 27 22:50:40 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:50:40 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tonya - Did you see Erik's update? From tonyaminton at gmail.com Tue Feb 28 15:05:06 2006 From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:05:06 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter fountain pen source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/06, kchuplis wrote: > > Tonya - > > Did you see Erik's update? Tonya here: THANKS!! I have been so busy with the family being sick I hadn't gotten a chance to go check!! THANK YOU!! Tonya [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]