From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Nov  1 04:52:25 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WOMBATs
In-Reply-To: <ei8nmd+tm43@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003201c6fd71$86b97270$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[mgress08]]:
| Hey I was just wondering how to register for the WOMBAT on J.K.'s
| website. It says you need some sort of student ID but I really want to
| take it! Thanks, Melissa

[Lee]:
I didn't think you could any more, as the answers have already been graded.
As far as I know, this year's WOMBAT is done.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  1 05:15:24 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:15:24 -0000
Subject: WOMBATs
In-Reply-To: <ei8nmd+tm43@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei9ahc+pmdn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "mgress08" <mg423804 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hey I was just wondering how to register for the WOMBAT on J.K.'s
> website. It says you need some sort of student ID but I really want to
> take it! Thanks, Melissa
>

Secca replies:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you can only take the WOMBAT 
during the times that the door to the Room of Requirement (the door 
with the 'Do Not Disturb' sign) is open on Jo's website... But there is 
good news... she has promised the third and final WOMBAT in about three 
months.

Also, if you head over to www.potterskeys.com, and look at the  'Room 
of Requirement' you can find our WOMBAT transcripts there under the 
Fifth and Sixth door openings. These are simple copies of the questions 
from the two tests. There is also a full explanation of how the door 
puzzles worked. Unfortunately, we have no way for you to submit your 
test to be graded, as Jo is the only one who knows how this was done...

Now, these tests are not simple trivia tests, but are rather tricky and 
open for *much* debate. If you would like to see some discussion about 
these tests, then head over to www.hp-lexicon.org. They have the tests 
posted with some lively discussion about the questions...

Also -- at Potters Keys, we are currently developing a 'Widget', if you 
know what those are. It will sit on your desktop and alert you to 
updates at Jo's site, in particular, when the door is open, you can 
download them there. http://widgets.yahoo.com has info about Widgets 
for your computer...






From sbejster at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 15:39:08 2006
From: sbejster at yahoo.com (sbejster)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:39:08 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
Message-ID: <eid3es+pjld@eGroups.com>

Hello.  I am new to this list and just HAVE to ask a question.

What the heck is it with the telephone on the home page of JKR's
website?  I know it MUST do SOMETHING, but I can't for the life of me
figure out what! <lol>

Oh, and while I'm at it, anybody know anything about the pen in the
link you get to with the "?" eraser?  I can use it to write on the
blank paper (which, of course, disappears), but don't know if I'm
supposed to write anything in particular.

Any hints would be greatly appreciated.


Sandra
Dearborn, MI






From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 20:23:42 2006
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:23:42 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eid3es+pjld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eidk4e+tp2a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sbejster" <sbejster at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello.  I am new to this list and just HAVE to ask a question.
> 
> What the heck is it with the telephone on the home page of JKR's
> website?  I know it MUST do SOMETHING, but I can't for the life of me
> figure out what! <lol>
> 
> Oh, and while I'm at it, anybody know anything about the pen in the
> link you get to with the "?" eraser?  I can use it to write on the
> blank paper (which, of course, disappears), but don't know if I'm
> supposed to write anything in particular.
> 
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Sandra
> Dearborn, MI
>

Dear Sandra, you should check out Lexicon's ultimate guide to Jo's 
webpage, there you'll find everything posible about the site

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html

good luck





From raymonddavenport at btinternet.com  Thu Nov  2 19:07:30 2006
From: raymonddavenport at btinternet.com (raymond300659)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:07:30 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eid3es+pjld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eidfli+qgd6@eGroups.com>

Sandra <sbejster at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello.  I am new to this list and just HAVE to ask a question.
>
> What the heck is it with the telephone on the home page of JKR's
> website?  I know it MUST do SOMETHING, but I can't for the life
> of me figure out what! <lol>
>
> Oh, and while I'm at it, anybody know anything about the pen in
> the link you get to with the "?" eraser?  I can use it to write
> on the blank paper (which, of course, disappears), but don't know
> if I'm supposed to write anything in particular.
>
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

Raymond:
Type in the numbers 62442 on the phone.
You have to draw the scar on Harry's forehead; for a clue go to
links page and wait for Peeves to do his thing.






From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  2 23:38:12 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:38:12 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eid3es+pjld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eidvh4+54mk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sbejster" <sbejster at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello.  I am new to this list and just HAVE to ask a question.
> 
> What the heck is it with the telephone on the home page of JKR's
> website?  I know it MUST do SOMETHING, but I can't for the life of me
> figure out what! <lol>
> 
> Oh, and while I'm at it, anybody know anything about the pen in the
> link you get to with the "?" eraser?  I can use it to write on the
> blank paper (which, of course, disappears), but don't know if I'm
> supposed to write anything in particular.
> 
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Sandra
> Dearborn, MI
>

Secca replies:

You can also try Potterskeys.com. Our website is devoted to nothing but 
monitoring and explaining Jo's website.

Good luck, have fun, and I reccomend trying to solve all of the puzzles 
yourself first... Also, make sure to check out the Potterskeys 
Scrapbook Analysis pages -- which will help explain all of the 
Scrapbook content you get from Jo's site. 

Secca from Potter's Keys






From sbejster at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 23:24:56 2006
From: sbejster at yahoo.com (sbejster)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:24:56 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eidk4e+tp2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eiduo8+idc0@eGroups.com>

Thank you to both of you for your help.  I had been meaning to get to
the Lexicon but never did.  It sure was a big help.

Turns out I only had a few items left to get so it was nice to finally
get them.  I KNEW! both the phone and the paper had to be for
something but couldn't figure it out.

And it sure took Peeves long enough to knock down that picture. ;-)

Now I can sit and enjoy the new papers I've won.  Those are always
such fun.  I just loved the picture of Peeves.

Thanks again.


Sandra







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Fri Nov  3 14:02:51 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:02:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eidk4e+tp2a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <039601c6ff50$c67fd210$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

thank you so much for this!!! 
 
I can't click on the eraser in the extra stuff to use on the torn piece of
paper...what the heck am I doing wrong?
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlnbtr
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:24 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's Website



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "sbejster" <sbejster at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello. I am new to this list and just HAVE to ask a question.
> 
> What the heck is it with the telephone on the home page of JKR's
> website? I know it MUST do SOMETHING, but I can't for the life of me
> figure out what! <lol>
> 
> Oh, and while I'm at it, anybody know anything about the pen in the
> link you get to with the "?" eraser? I can use it to write on the
> blank paper (which, of course, disappears), but don't know if I'm
> supposed to write anything in particular.
> 
> Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> Sandra
> Dearborn, MI
>

Dear Sandra, you should check out Lexicon's ultimate guide to Jo's 
webpage, there you'll find everything posible about the site

http://www.hp-
<http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html>
lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html

good luck



 


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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Fri Nov  3 14:37:10 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:37:10 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <039601c6ff50$c67fd210$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eifk6m+mjcu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle A. Tague"
<taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> thank you so much for this!!!
>
> I can't click on the eraser in the extra stuff to use on the torn
piece of
> paper...what the heck am I doing wrong?


Hi Michelle!
I suspect that you entered the site through the Accessibility Enabled
link.   The Revealer does not work in that version.
Try entering the site through one of the language flag links (British
flag for English).
Post again if that does not solve your trouble!
Belinda




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Fri Nov  3 14:14:13 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 09:14:13 -0500
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <039601c6ff50$c67fd210$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <03b101c6ff52$5eb502c0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Michelle A. Tague wrote:

thank you so much for this!!! 

I can't click on the eraser in the extra stuff to use on the torn piece of
paper...what the heck am I doing wrong?

Michelle 



answering myself here... It would appear that I'm just LATE on all these
things...as she changes her site the listings on the lexicon are from
before.
 
I'm certainly having fun though!
 
Michelle 
 

  _____  




From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Fri Nov  3 16:37:00 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:37:00 -0000
Subject: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <03b101c6ff52$5eb502c0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eifr7c+vqt4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle A. Tague" 
<taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Michelle A. Tague wrote:
 It would appear that I'm just LATE on all these
> things...as she changes her site the listings on the lexicon are from
> before.
>  
> I'm certainly having fun though!
>  
> Michelle 
>  
> 
>   _____
>

Umm... you're not too late on the Revealer (eraser), it's still 
current.
The only things on the Lexicon that are old (and don't work anymore) 
are the Door openings and the Diary entries archive.
All of the Scrapbook puzzles are up-to-date, I assure you. :-)
 
If you can't work it, then you are either in the Accessibility Enabled 
version (which is designed for sight and hearing impared folks who use 
screen readers and keyboard controls instead of the mouse) or you have 
a problem with the Flashplayer (or a pop-up blocker) on your computer.

Here's how to work the Revealer (eraser) in the Extra Stuff section on 
the Accessibility Enabled version-
1. Use the Hairbrush to enter the ExtraStuff bulletin board screen.
2. Press your Tab key until the yellow box shows up around the 
Revealer. (A yellow box will show up around different items each time 
you press Tab.)
3. Now type "r" on your keyboard.
4. The potion recipe on the blank paper will suddenly appear.

If this works for you, then you are in the Accessibility Enabled 
version.  If you want to work all the puzzles using your mouse, then 
click on one of the flags to enter the site instead.

P.S. For anyone who wants to have some fun experimenting with the 
Accessibility Enabled version... 'right click' on the Revealer and 
click 'Zoom in', a couple times, to read why I'm calling this the 
Revealer. =D





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Fri Nov  3 17:18:22 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 12:18:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's Website
In-Reply-To: <eifr7c+vqt4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <04d301c6ff6c$15041de0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

*blushes...*
 
thanks! apparently I'm too old for this.. ;-)
 
having even more fun now!!
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Belinda
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:37 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: JKR's Website



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Michelle A. Tague" 
<taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Michelle A. Tague wrote:
It would appear that I'm just LATE on all these
> things...as she changes her site the listings on the lexicon are from
> before.
> 
> I'm certainly having fun though!
> 
> Michelle 
> 
> 
> _____
>

Umm... you're not too late on the Revealer (eraser), it's still 
current.
The only things on the Lexicon that are old (and don't work anymore) 
are the Door openings and the Diary entries archive.
All of the Scrapbook puzzles are up-to-date, I assure you. :-)

If you can't work it, then you are either in the Accessibility Enabled 
version (which is designed for sight and hearing impared folks who use 
screen readers and keyboard controls instead of the mouse) or you have 
a problem with the Flashplayer (or a pop-up blocker) on your computer.

Here's how to work the Revealer (eraser) in the Extra Stuff section on 
the Accessibility Enabled version-
1. Use the Hairbrush to enter the ExtraStuff bulletin board screen.
2. Press your Tab key until the yellow box shows up around the 
Revealer. (A yellow box will show up around different items each time 
you press Tab.)
3. Now type "r" on your keyboard.
4. The potion recipe on the blank paper will suddenly appear.

If this works for you, then you are in the Accessibility Enabled 
version. If you want to work all the puzzles using your mouse, then 
click on one of the flags to enter the site instead.

P.S. For anyone who wants to have some fun experimenting with the 
Accessibility Enabled version... 'right click' on the Revealer and 
click 'Zoom in', a couple times, to read why I'm calling this the 
Revealer. =D



 


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From hallie at thephoenixrises.org  Fri Nov  3 18:22:08 2006
From: hallie at thephoenixrises.org (Hallie Tibbetts - Phoenix Rising)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Phoenix Rising Programming Deadline - Saturday, November 4
Message-ID: <20061103182208.83236.qmail@web50512.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear HPforGrownups members,

The submissions deadline for Phoenix Rising Programming is fast
approaching! Phoenix Rising, to be held May 17-21, 2007, in and around
the French Quarter of New Orleans, depends on scholars, professionals,
and fans for a wide variety of programming all about Harry Potter. In
fact, the vast majority of our programming schedule is drawn from the
theories, creativity, discussion, and studies that attendees propose! 
We invite your proposals on all things Potter by tomorrow at 11:59 p.m.
EST.

Our Call for Papers, at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/academic/cfp/, gives an
overview of the proposal process, and we welcome papers, panels of
papers or panel discussions, workshops, roundtable discussions, and
combinations of these. We're also pleased to be able to include fan
creativity, from fanfiction readings and fanart portfolios to creative
booths -- so if you sketch, write, beta read, or give artistic
feedback, please visit
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/exploratory/aanight/cfp.html
to find out more. Finally, we'll feature a gallery of fan and fantasy
art throughout the weekend, including art from artists who may not be
able to attend, and the prospectus can be viewed at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/exploratory/gallery/prospectus.html.

For more information on Phoenix Rising's programming, please visit our
website at http://www.thephoenixrises.org, or view the programming
section directly at http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/ . We're
always happy to answer questions e-mailed to programming @
thephoenixrises. org.

All submissions must be made via the online submissions system at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/submissions/ and are due no later than
11:59 p.m. EST on November 4. We look forward to receiving your
proposals!

Regards,
The Phoenix Rising Programming Team
http://www.thephoen ixrises.org
programming @ thephoenixrises. org




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 20:22:59 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:22:59 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <E1GatP4-0000XW-3o@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <eig8f3+i6pq@eGroups.com>

Neri:
> I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right
age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect. I count myself a 
*huge* LotR fan but the truth is I haven't reread it for at least ten
years now. Also, LotR indeed has a very slow beginning, and I remember
myself skipping lines and paragraphs for 100 or 200 pages before I
really got hooked.
 
Sherry:
> 
> I too read LOTR for the first time when I was around 14.  I read it
every year or so, even now, over 30 years later.  There are parts that
drag too much for me still, but I'm so familiar with the story, I know
what chapters to skip!  But overall, I actually love the words, the
way Tolkien creates a whole world and various peoples.  There is a lot
of humor, joy, sorrow and great adventure.  hmmm, it's always hard to
explain why I like a book, so ok, I just like it.  

Carol responds:
What a surprise to find myself in perfect agreement with both Neri and
Sherry! (Actually, Sherry and I agree on many things--just not Snape :-) )

I was fifteen when I first read LOTR, mostly because I had spent my
own money on it to help out American Field Service, the club that
sponsored foreign exchange students. (They were selling the trilogy
plus "The Hobbit" as a fund-raising project.) 

I found the first few chapters very slow going (except the part about
the ring and Gandalf, which I found intriguing but confusing), but
once I got to "Fog on the Barrow Downs," which was downright scary, I
knew this book was more than just a sequel to "The Hobbit." And the
scene on Weathertop was both terrifying and moving. At that point I
was hooked. I would talk about my reaction to Moria and subsequent
events, but I don't want to spoil anything for those few who haven't
read the books yet. 

The terror of some scenes and the searing beauty of others more than
make up for the places where Tolkien is either too easy-going and
Hobbitish for modern readers, who are always in a hurry to get to the
action, or too pedantically formal when he's trying to present "high"
matters, as in the Council of Elrond. (I do cringe when I read the
descriptions of Glorfindel, Elrond, and Gandalf, but I know that he'll
slip out of that style when he starts presenting the story from the
Hobbits' point of view again.) I also really like some of the
characters, including Frodo, Pippin, Boromir, Faramir, Eowyn, and
Legolas, few of whom (especially Faramir) should be judged by their
movie versions. (Well, okay; I liked Sean Bean as Boromir even though
he should have been black-haired rather than blond. But Denethor is
altogether ruined by the film, both in the casting and the writing,
IMO.) And I love what Tolkien does with Lobelia Sackville-Baggins at
the end. (Go, Lobelia! You must be related to Mrs. Figg.)

I highly recommend giving LOTR another try if you've given up on it,
Tonks! You may need to skim the part about the rustic hobbits in the
Green Dragon (though I wouldn't--even that segment has its purpose)
and grit your teeth when you get to Tom Bombadil, who fortunately only
appears in about two chapters, but the payoff in chapters like "A
Knife in the Dark," "The Bridge of Khazad-dum," "The Breaking of the
Fellowhip," "The Pyre of Denethor," and "Mount Doom" is just
astounding. I had to read the books through a second time immediately
trying to recreate that experience and understand all the implications
I missed the first time through (rather like Pippin, one of my
favorite characters). 

Tolkien had a gift, perhaps a unique gift, for creating a world that
both is and isn't ours in an imaginary time with imaginary beings that
owe something to Norse mythology and Icelandic saga yet are completely
his own--or were till they were so widely copied.

Sure, the books have flaws, the overly detailed description being one
and the stereotyping of certain "races" (species?) so that only a few
characters representing those groups are individualized. (Once we get
to Shagrat and Gorbag, tough, we find that even Orcs can have
recognizable personalities. Too bad Orcishness triumphs over
individuality.)

There's no guarantee that you'll like the books if you read them
through, but there's no way to find out if you don't attempt it.

Carol, who used to read the books once a year as a treat before the
films came out but is now addicted to HP instead 






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 21:08:05 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:08:05 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <ehc2pf+bn05@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eigb3l+j22u@eGroups.com>

Alla wrote:
<snip> 
> I last read LOTR couple of years ago, and I could not find **one** 
> word to get rid of, literally. The whole book is like music to my 
> ears, like highly enjoyable poetry.
> 
> I don't know, call it magic, I guess :)

<snip> I love this book. <snip>

> I do not read LOTR for the characters for example, I certainly do 
> not feel as emotionally attached to them, as I feel about HP 
> characters, but I do feel emotionally attached to the whole world, 
> including characters in it, if it makes any sense.
> 
> I also have to say that no matter how much I love JKR's characters, 
> I can see more and more occurrences when the characterisation in her 
> books IS sacrificed in order to move the plot.
> 
> I cannot spot **one** false note in Tolkien's characterizations. IMO 
> of course.

Carol responds:

That's an interesting perspective, Alla, and I think you may have hit
on something important. JKR planned out her books, all seven of them,
before she began writing and then plotted the individual books before
she began her drafts, carefully putting in clues and red herrings and
knowing in advance that she had to get certain important characters
(say, Harry, Snape, and Draco) from point A to point B or C or G with
a few key stops on the way. Parts could be rewritten, characters or
subplots eliminated, two unplanned deaths and one unplanned reprieve
added into the last book, but the main plot could not be greatly
altered or the whole series would be derailed. Characters could (and
indeed had to) change and develop along the way, but characterization
could be trumped by plot if need be. (I don't think this has occurred
in as many places as you seem to think, but I do agree that, for
example, Dumbledore had to die and Snape had to kill him, and that
could not be changed however the relationship between those two
characters and the characters themselves evolved along the way.)

Tolkien, in contrast, started with a handful of Hobbits (two of whom
were merged along the way), a ring that had to get to Mordor, Sauron
(a being from the Silmarillion), Gandalf, and not much else. The book
had to be "rewritten backwards," as Tolkien put it, but there were
also many false starts and many revisions along the way, including
important characters like Strider/Aragorn, who appeared from nowhere.
(Strider, as you may know, started out as a Hobbit called Trotter, and
even retained that nickname long after he became a man, when Tolkien
finally realized that his long-legged man would more appropriately be
nicknamed Strider.)

So I think, for Tolkien, character always came first, above all, the
growth and suffering of Frodo, but also friendship, loyalty, courage,
and similar character-related themes or motifs. And the plot was
always episodic, structured around the hero's journey and consequently
flexible, rather than being structured by the combination of a school
year and a mystery to be solved in each book within the larger
structure of the conflict between Harry and Voldemort interlaced with
other conflicts, such as Harry/Snape and HRH/Draco, that continue, and
perhaps escalate, within the framework of the books. I don't think
that Tolkien's plot suffers at all from the emphasis on character. The
episodic structure enables him to back off from the intense action for
some comic (or tender or tense but not dangerous) moments so that we
see the characters interacting (Frodo, Sam, and Gollum or Merry and
Pippin or Gandalf and Denethor, to give just a few examples.) Also,
the pov is very different, and whole sections shift away from Frodo
and the Ring to focus on a different set of characters in the vast
world of Middle Earth, which feels entirely real with its well-thought
out geography and physical features, very different from the confined
microcosm of Hogwarts, which despite talking portraits and moving
staircases (seldom mentioned after the first two books) is really not
very carefully delineated. If you try, as I did, to figure out how the
kitchen can be reached from the doorway across from the great hall,
which sits above the kitchen, you'll only give yourself a headache.
Tolkien would have planned it out and made sure it made sense. JKR
isn't even sure which floor Moaning Myrtle's bathroom is on.

Carol, noting that JKR, though not a genius of Tolkien's caliber, is
also a very good writer whose work can be enjoyed on different levels
and for different reasons than his





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 22:11:32 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:11:32 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <ei4cvu+rk0j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eigeqk+46a2@eGroups.com>

Dungrollin wrote:
> > > Yes, me; and I appreciate this may make me unpopular. He's too 
> old, he's not tall enough, and he's not spikey enough. And I hate 
> the costume and the wig. 
> > 
Carol responds:

Spikey? Can you clarify?

> > Potioncat:
> > Not tall enough? He's 6'1" (according to IMDB). Snape is supposed 
> to be shorter than Black. So I doubt canon Snape is over 6' Sad to 
> say, he really is too old for this character. But never, ever would 
> I want anyone else but Rickman for Snape. It does after all, put 
> Snape in my age range. ;-)
> > 
> 
> Dung:
> Really? Goodness. Shows you what a dreadful costume it is, because 
> he doesn't look it at all. The robes and cloak should have been much 
> longer, it would have made him look taller and thinner, (and 
> therefore more spikey - so long as they didn't insist on that stupid 
> wig). 

> As I recall, the sleves are long but tight, yeah? I don't mind that 
> so much, but what I do mind is that without a long enough cloak, he 
> can't *sweep* out of rooms. That's important to me in the way I 
> visualise him, he must *sweep*.
> 
Carol:
I agree that the costume is dreadful, mostly because Snape would never
wear trousers (or tight sleeves with buttons). He'd wear wizard's
robes, for crying out loud, and as you say, the cloak has to be longer
so he can sweep out of the room. I don't mind the wig since I don't
think fo snape as being as "greasy" as Harry and Sirius Black do, and
I think Alan Rickman's nose (as Snape--I don't know whether they've
altered it or not) is just right, as are his teeth--just crooked
enough to be noticeable when he's angry but not when he's speaking
normally. I like Rickman's range of (facial) expression and his
mvoements, but the voice isn't quite right--a little too hissy and
slobbery, if I may say so without annoying the diehard Rickman fans.
His "Ex. . . pelliarmus!" in the CoS film takes much too long to say.
Even Branaugh!Lockhart could have gotten in a Protego during the
interval between the first and second syllables. And, yes, he's much
too old, a problem that can only get worse as the films progress. I
don't have a problem with his height and the build is okay, but the
costume, especially from the duelling scene forward, is decidedly
unSnapish. 


> Potioncat:
> > Well, I don't care for any of the wizards' costumes (except for DD 
> in the first two) or any of the kids' costumes. The women professors 
> are alright. I thought, after Snape showed his dark mark in the 
> books, that there had been a plan all along for his sleeves to be so 
> long--- so to hide the mark. But they cut that scene anyway.

Carol:

I agree completely. The costumes are too modern and Mugglish. The
trousers that Kreacher snogged aside, Wizards wear robes and cloaks! I
don't like the electric trains and Victrolas, either (though we do
have a Victrola mentioned in relation to Slughorn in HBP, oddly
enough). Still, I don't like the idea that Hogwarts resembles the
Muggle world of the 1940s. The whole atmosphere should, IMO, be much
more medieval. You know--dungeons, suits of armor, candles. . . .
That's not the twentieth century, not even the early or mid-twentieth
century. 

In the case of the kids, they wear actual Muggle clothes from PoA
onward. Would Draco wear Muggle clothes at all, ever, except maybe at
King's Cross Station to pass as a Muggle getting onto and off Platform
9 3/4? The books say black robes for everyday wear--and that includes
Saturdays. The Pensieve scene ("Snape's Worst Memory") won't work at
all unless Sevvie is wearing wizard robes (and greying underwear). And
part of the illusion JKR is creating depends on Wizards, at least the
adults, having no clue what Muggles actually wear. How can that be the
case if even the pureblood kids wear Muggle clothes under their robes
and dispense with the robes altogether during their free time? (And
look at Karkaroff's guards and Barty Jr. in the Pensieve scene in the
GoF film, which didn't even give us Dementors guarding the prisoners,
not to mention all the combining and eliminating it did elsewhere.)

> Potioncat:
> > Some time back, I was considering that canon!Snape would not be as 
> > yummy as Movie!Snape and was trying to picture a better image. 
> There was a movie on the TV with a charactr that seemd to "be"
canon! Snape. Turns out it was Tim Roth in Rob Roy. He is only 5'7"  I 
> thought that was particularly interesting because I don't know Tim 
> Roth from a housecat, but I'd read once that he had been an early 
> contender for Snape.
> > 
> 
> Dung:
> I love Tim Roth, particularly enjoyed him and Gary Oldman in 
> Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead; though I haven't seen him in 
> much recently, except for To Kill a King (which is surely no 
> longer 'recent'). Actually, thinking about it, Rupert Everett would 
> have made a *fabulous* Snape. Ooh yes, that's who I'd have cast.

Carol: 
I looked them both up on the IMDb. I didn't like Tim Roth's looks and
Rupert Everett was too square-jawed. Snape is supposed to be
noticeably thin (but wiry, I think. That last scene in HBP shows him
to be in marvelous physical condition.) So I'll stick with
Rickman!Snape and pray that they can keep him looking middle-aged
rather than borderline elderly in the upcoming films. He'd have the
right look if only he were the right age. Again, it's only the
costumes and occasionally his voice that bug me.

Michael Gambon as Dumbledore and his horrible gray robes and
rubber-banded beard--don't even get me started!

As for other characters, Robbie Coltrane as Hagrid comes close but his
beard and hair should be blacker. The woman playing Madame Maxime was
too much taller than Hargrid (computer graphics, I suppose) and should
have been closer to his build in general--Junoesque on a grand scale,
not tall and relatively thin. David Thewlis as Lupin? Not even close.
I hate that stupid little mustache. And Gary Oldman as Sirius Black?
Too old and no trace of lost handsomeness. (Helena Bonham Carter as
Bellatrix will have the opposite problem--not old enough and still has
her looks! I wonder if they can manage the heavy-lidded eyes?)

Tom Felton as Draco is a teeny bit too old and his accent is
wrong--not sufficiently aristocratic for a wealthy pureblood, IMO.
(BTW, his hair is mentioned as blond way back in CoS, I believe. Or is
that only the pale skin, grey eyes, and pointy chin?)

Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort? His fingers should be long but not that
long! he can barely hold a wand!

I could go on and on, but I'll just say that Hagrid, McGonagall, and
Snape are the only characters I can think of who resemble their movie
versions in my mind. The Dursleys are completely wrong, with Petunia
and Dudley having switched hair colors with Vernon.

Carol, who didn't mean to go into such detail about relatively
unimportant matters  






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Nov  4 21:18:40 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:18:40 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <ei2lvb+a5qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eij03g+i1ip@eGroups.com>

"dungrollin" <spotthedungbeetle at ...> wrote in 
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30957>:

<<[Rickman]'s too old, he's not tall enough, and 
he's not spiky enough. >>

Even tho' the *text* of canon keeps saying that Snape is a tall, thin
wizard with long, slender/bony fingers, my mind has always seen him as
not unusually tall or thin. I imagine tall characters, like
Dumbledore, Lucius Malfoy, and 16-year-old Draco Malfoy as distinctly
taller than him, and he stands visually on par with them by sheer
dignity and power.














From realbrad at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  4 19:07:37 2006
From: realbrad at yahoo.com (realbrad)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:07:37 -0000
Subject: Another free download novel
Message-ID: <eiiodp+2id8@eGroups.com>

I don't know who this guy is or why he is posting free novels online,
but they are awesome.  Now he's got TWO free novels to download.  I
just finished reading his new one, Don't be Cruel, and I can't stop
thinking about it.  No clue what he's doing, but as long as it's for
free count me in.  You can find the books at www.fredpetrovsky.com.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Nov  5 21:39:25 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:39:25 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <eigeqk+46a2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eillmd+k4ic@eGroups.com>



>Carol: 
> Michael Gambon as Dumbledore and his horrible gray robes and
> rubber-banded beard--don't even get me started!

Potioncat:
Me either!! 

I like Maggie Smith, except that Minerva is supposed to have black 
hair. I think black hair on Smith would look horrible.

Carol:
 And Gary Oldman as Sirius Black?
> Too old and no trace of lost handsomeness. 

Potioncat: I read somewhere that casting had to look for actors that 
would be in Rickman's age range..or close to the age Rickman!Snape 
can be made to appear.

>>CAtlady wrote in another post:

Even tho' the *text* of canon keeps saying that Snape is a tall, thin
wizard with long, slender/bony fingers, my mind has always seen him as
not unusually tall or thin. I imagine tall characters, like
Dumbledore, Lucius Malfoy, and 16-year-old Draco Malfoy as distinctly
taller than him, and he stands visually on par with them by sheer
dignity and power.

Potioncat:
Does the text say "tall"?  We once had a thread about Short!Snape--
was quite a while ago. The only thing about height I can find is that 
Sirius is taller than Severus when they get into their little tiff at 
12GP.

I think JKR has Snape as the stero-type: thin, not-so-tall out to 
prove himself male character.








From eragon_unleashed123 at yahoo.co.in  Sun Nov  5 07:08:53 2006
From: eragon_unleashed123 at yahoo.co.in (eragon_unleashed123)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 07:08:53 -0000
Subject: Another free download novel
In-Reply-To: <eiiodp+2id8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eik2m5+o33e@eGroups.com>

I am able to think of only two reasons:-
1>he is an upcoming author and wants to see his greatness&
2>he would be a mad ass crackpot who is doing it for just fun

i am eragon






From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Nov  6 20:41:10 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:41:10 -0500
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
Message-ID: <038501c701e3$e89f5ab0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

Holy camoly batman.... I can't keep up any where close to that list.
 
I enjoy it so much ... but there's just way too much traffic.
 
How do others keep up?
 
Michelle 


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From geekgangster at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 00:04:47 2006
From: geekgangster at gmail.com (La Tiendita LaiMaiFaier ...)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:04:47 -0600
Subject: Invitacion
Message-ID: <mailman.77.1576049086.5361.hpfgu-otchatter@archive.hpfgu.org>


Los invito a un nuevo grupo sobre Moda donde podran ver ofertas cada semana

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(Light my fire)

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Puedes mandarnos fotos, dibujos o cualquier imagen escaneada.

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Adems hacemos accesorios: collares, pulseras, artes, bufandas, pins ( o fotobotones), libretas y cuadernos.
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From trulysweet2you at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  6 23:53:28 2006
From: trulysweet2you at yahoo.com (Trulysweet2you)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:53:28 -0000
Subject: Looking for Harry Potter Friends.
Message-ID: <eiohto+vnr9@eGroups.com>

There is a lot of posts in this group.. All i really really totally 
want is a few friends to talk about the Harry Potter books and movies 
with.. You know a close group of pals that i can just chat and laugh 
with.. I loveeeeeee the Harry Potter series.  I had to put the group 
to daily digest because of the vast number of posts in here so please 
message me at trulysweet2you at yahoo.com if you want to talk to someone 
that loves to talk about Harry Potter as much as you. If it matters i 
am 29 years old female from Texas.

Holly






From theold_trader at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  7 02:56:25 2006
From: theold_trader at yahoo.com (theold_trader)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 02:56:25 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Book #7 Diagon Alley Event Plans
Message-ID: <eioskp+lupa@eGroups.com>

WHy wait?  I'm trying to organize a Diagon Alley event for the release
of Harry Potter book # 7.
After participating in the Richmond, VA Harry Potter Diagon Alley
events, we are looking forward to the release of book #7 and more of
the same great fun but this time a lot closer to the Philadelphia, PA
area. We are from the Moorestown, NJ and looking into linking the event
to a bookstore in the Moorestown - Cherry Hill area, or at least nearby.
So far, I am already finding a lot of interest and have made contact
with a large local bookstore and some big HP fan sites.
Check out my interst page at www.HPBook7.US for more info.


theold_trader




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  7 07:43:00 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:43:00 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <038501c701e3$e89f5ab0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eipde4+108fi@eGroups.com>

---  "Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> Holy camoly batman.... I can't keep up any where close
> to that list.
>  
> I enjoy it so much ... but there's just way too much 
> traffic.
>  
> How do others keep up?
>  
> Michelle 


bboyminn:

By 'that list' am I safe in assuming you mean the main
'HP for Grownups' list?

I'm assuming you are getting the posts by email which
means your Inbox is flooded. Personally, I only read
and respond on the group's website . That way I
don't have a flooded Inbox, and I can concentrate on
the post threads that I am interested in. 

One drawback to posting on-line is that I don't 
automatically get a copy of my post in my Sent box, 
but I still get by. The Search Engine works better 
now and I can usually find old topics and old threads.

If your problem is that you can't keep up with the
flood of email to your Inbox, try going to your group
settings and turn email off. Then log-in and come to
the group website and read messages there. That way
you can be selective about what you read and respond
to.

Just a suggestion.

Steve/bboyminn





From eragon_unleashed123 at yahoo.co.in  Tue Nov  7 09:14:31 2006
From: eragon_unleashed123 at yahoo.co.in (ERAGON POTTER)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:14:31 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.
In-Reply-To: <eiohto+vnr9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20061107091431.1216.qmail@web7806.mail.in.yahoo.com>

I AM THE TYPE OF GUY WHO YOU WANT TO CHAT ABOUT HARRY POTTER.I AM A HUGE FAN OF HARRY POTTER AND I WILL LOVE TO TALK ABOUT HIM OR OTHER RELATED THINGS!!!

Trulysweet2you <trulysweet2you at yahoo.com> wrote:          There is a lot of posts in this group.. All i really really totally 
want is a few friends to talk about the Harry Potter books and movies 
with.. You know a close group of pals that i can just chat and laugh 
with.. I loveeeeeee the Harry Potter series. I had to put the group 
to daily digest because of the vast number of posts in here so please 
message me at trulysweet2you at yahoo.com if you want to talk to someone 
that loves to talk about Harry Potter as much as you. If it matters i 
am 29 years old female from Texas.

Holly



         

 				
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From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  7 13:15:42 2006
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:15:42 -0500
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
Message-ID: <00aa01c7026e$d7ef22a0$6801a8c0@laptop>


Michelle:
I have to agree. The "main list" is impossible to keep up with. I do recieve daily digests,but they are always full and the individual posts are long. There just aren't enough hours in the day.  I suppose that is the nature of the list. Disection of the works can be messy and time consuming. But if you can find the time, worth it! I wish I could spend more time, but I find myself being late for things. Worse...not attending to my 3 growing boys when my face is illuminated by the monitor's glow. I don't know....we do what we can! 
Yours most humbly, Leeann

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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  7 13:13:05 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 05:13:05 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eipde4+108fi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1GhQlO-0004P1-0u@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

---  "Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> Holy camoly batman.... I can't keep up any where close to that list.
>  
> I enjoy it so much ... but there's just way too much traffic.
>  
> How do others keep up?
>  
> Michelle




sherry now:

I only read subjects that interest me.  For example, I am completely bored
by the concept of horcruxes--not to mention a little squeamish over the
whole topic--so I don't read any posts with horcrux in the subject.  I am
also tired of the ongoing Snape debate, so I often don't read threads on
Snape, except to pick one or two messages to read to see where the
discussion is going.  It's the only way I can keep up!

Sherry




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  7 14:32:45 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 06:32:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <E1GhQlO-0004P1-0u@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20061107143245.26887.qmail@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



The traffic on the main list is heavy, but I find most of it completely worthwhile.
   
  I get the messages in daily digest form and I'm waaaay behind reading.  I save them all, and print them out a few at a time and read them at lunch, weekends, etc.  I think I'm up to the first week of September, with maybe 160 or so more to go to get caught up - which of course, won't happen because every day there's another 2 or 3 digests.  
   
  I rarely (i.e., never) post on the main list, but I especially find the different personalities amusing.  There are the ones who are absolutely positively unmoveable objects as it relates to certain issues and others who work very hard never to have to admit they might be in the wrong about an issue.  Sometimes, I'm reminded of President Clinton's "It depends what *is* is."   And, then, of course, there are the ones who argue with everyone, just to argue.   
   
  It's all worthwhile, though, when those very special posts make it through and really cause me to rethink something I thought I already understood.  
   
  And....it gives me something to read HP-related to pass the time before HP7 is with us.
   
   
   
  MJ


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From bumbledor at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 17:19:43 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:19:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
References: <00aa01c7026e$d7ef22a0$6801a8c0@laptop>
Message-ID: <004b01c70290$eae0dda0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leeann McCullough" <libtax10375 at earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic


>
> Michelle:
> I have to agree. The "main list" is impossible to keep up with. I do 
> recieve daily digests,but they are always full and the individual posts 
> are long. There just aren't enough hours in the day.  I suppose that is 
> the nature of the list. Disection of the works can be messy and time 
> consuming. But if you can find the time, worth it! I wish I could spend 
> more time, but I find myself being late for things. Worse...not attending 
> to my 3 growing boys when my face is illuminated by the monitor's glow. I 
> don't know....we do what we can!
> Yours most humbly, Leeann
>



Well I totaly dropped the main list. Not because of the Message load, - heck 
I get over 200 emails a day now from over 13 egroups - and yes I have a full 
time job. I dropped the main list because of what I believe is their anal 
rententive editing requirements for replying to messages. So why read stuff 
that you can't even respond to?





From retired153 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  7 20:42:19 2006
From: retired153 at yahoo.com (j15300)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:42:19 -0000
Subject: Another free download novel
In-Reply-To: <eiiodp+2id8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eiqr3b+fa44@eGroups.com>

Thanks; contacted the author and he just enjoys writing, has a day job
he likes, and would appreciate comments if you've read and enjoyed
either book.

Another good, free download (first three chapters online, then you can
decide if you'd care to borrow the book from a library or own a copy) is
http://www.aboveblack.com/content/home.html Dan Sherman's site; his is
supposedly a true story; he does have credentials in the military
intelligence (not an oxymoron) field.  The book's title is "Above
Black," referring to the security code for the telepathic contact
program.  Click on "Read Free Portion" line (and don't miss The
Copyright Statement :)

"Above Black" is similar to Mark Prophet's "The Soulless One" and Olga
Kharitidi's "The Master of Lucid Dreams," and has some looser
resonance with Ann Ree Colton's "Watch Your Dreams," O. M. Aivanhov's
"Light Is a Living Spirit," and Free and Wilcock's "The Reincarnation
of Edgar Cayce?"  (All good authors, btw.)

cordially,

j.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "realbrad" <realbrad at ...> wrote:
>
> I don't know who this guy is or why he is posting free novels online,
> but they are awesome.  Now he's got TWO free novels to download.  I
> just finished reading his new one, Don't be Cruel, and I can't stop
> thinking about it.  No clue what he's doing, but as long as it's for
> free count me in.  You can find the books at www.fredpetrovsky.com.
>







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov  8 12:56:49 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 07:56:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eipde4+108fi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012301c70335$5f0b8910$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

That's exactly what I did.  
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:43 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic



--- "Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> Holy camoly batman.... I can't keep up any where close
> to that list.
> 
> I enjoy it so much ... but there's just way too much 
> traffic.
> 
> How do others keep up?
> 
> Michelle 

bboyminn:

By 'that list' am I safe in assuming you mean the main
'HP for Grownups' list?

I'm assuming you are getting the posts by email which
means your Inbox is flooded. Personally, I only read
and respond on the group's website . That way I
don't have a flooded Inbox, and I can concentrate on
the post threads that I am interested in. 

One drawback to posting on-line is that I don't 
automatically get a copy of my post in my Sent box, 
but I still get by. The Search Engine works better 
now and I can usually find old topics and old threads.

If your problem is that you can't keep up with the
flood of email to your Inbox, try going to your group
settings and turn email off. Then log-in and come to
the group website and read messages there. That way
you can be selective about what you read and respond
to.

Just a suggestion.

Steve/bboyminn



 


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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov  8 12:58:28 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 07:58:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <004b01c70290$eae0dda0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>
Message-ID: <012b01c70335$9a6133c0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

That annoys me as well...and with the format box w/ the yahoo messages, I'd
have to always remove the box, and respond on the bottom... 
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bumbledor
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:20 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leeann McCullough" <libtax10375@ <mailto:libtax10375%40earthlink.net>
earthlink.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic

>
> Michelle:
> I have to agree. The "main list" is impossible to keep up with. I do 
> recieve daily digests,but they are always full and the individual posts 
> are long. There just aren't enough hours in the day. I suppose that is 
> the nature of the list. Disection of the works can be messy and time 
> consuming. But if you can find the time, worth it! I wish I could spend 
> more time, but I find myself being late for things. Worse...not attending 
> to my 3 growing boys when my face is illuminated by the monitor's glow. I 
> don't know....we do what we can!
> Yours most humbly, Leeann
>

Well I totaly dropped the main list. Not because of the Message load, - heck

I get over 200 emails a day now from over 13 egroups - and yes I have a full

time job. I dropped the main list because of what I believe is their anal 
rententive editing requirements for replying to messages. So why read stuff 
that you can't even respond to?



 


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From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 16:27:38 2006
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:27:38 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
Message-ID: <eit0hq+esh6@eGroups.com>

The HPFGU can be intimidating, especially for those of us with no 
time!  I get the digests and then skim the headings for topics of 
interests.  Scroll down and read only the ones you've chosen (don't 
get sidetracked or you'll be stuck for hours!) and if you want to 
reply, copy the thread into a Word document so that you can reply at 
your leisure.  Post it when you're finished.

Even if the topic interests me, there are some posts I won't read 
depending on the author because I know I disagree with everything they 
say.  Rather than get my blood boiling, I avoid.  On the flip side, I 
read just about everything by other people (bboymin and Alla) because 
I think they're brilliant, lol!

Nicky Joe (Cheryl)





From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 16:42:28 2006
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:42:28 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <038501c701e3$e89f5ab0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eit1dk+nlca@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle A. Tague" 
<taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> Holy camoly batman.... I can't keep up any where close to that list.
>  
> I enjoy it so much ... but there's just way too much traffic.
>  
> How do others keep up?
>  
> Michelle 
> 
 
Sharon responds:
I don't even try to keep up anymore.  I scan the topics & read what I'm 
interested in.  I don't remember the traffic there being this heavy in 
between OOP & HBP though.  Anyone else?
Sharon 







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov  8 16:41:57 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:41:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eit0hq+esh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02e301c70354$d29959b0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

I'll do that... and that bboymin (steve isn't it?) he's a wordy wordy man!
;-)
 
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:28 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic



The HPFGU can be intimidating, especially for those of us with no 
time! I get the digests and then skim the headings for topics of 
interests. Scroll down and read only the ones you've chosen (don't 
get sidetracked or you'll be stuck for hours!) and if you want to 
reply, copy the thread into a Word document so that you can reply at 
your leisure. Post it when you're finished.

Even if the topic interests me, there are some posts I won't read 
depending on the author because I know I disagree with everything they 
say. Rather than get my blood boiling, I avoid. On the flip side, I 
read just about everything by other people (bboymin and Alla) because 
I think they're brilliant, lol!

Nicky Joe (Cheryl)



 


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From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Wed Nov  8 17:06:15 2006
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:06:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.
In-Reply-To: <20061107091431.1216.qmail@web7806.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C8D16F5592B720-177C-1508@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com>

I will talk about Harry Potter all you want too. If it matters I am a 26 year old highschool math teacher from california and seriously depressed that I am a muggle. 
 
Kristin
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: eragon_unleashed123 at yahoo.co.in
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.


I AM THE TYPE OF GUY WHO YOU WANT TO CHAT ABOUT HARRY POTTER.I AM A HUGE FAN OF HARRY POTTER AND I WILL LOVE TO TALK ABOUT HIM OR OTHER RELATED THINGS!!!

Trulysweet2you <trulysweet2you at yahoo.com> wrote: There is a lot of posts in this group.. All i really really totally 
want is a few friends to talk about the Harry Potter books and movies 
with.. You know a close group of pals that i can just chat and laugh 
with.. I loveeeeeee the Harry Potter series. I had to put the group 
to daily digest because of the vast number of posts in here so please 
message me at trulysweet2you at yahoo.com if you want to talk to someone 
that loves to talk about Harry Potter as much as you. If it matters i 
am 29 years old female from Texas.

Holly


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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov  8 17:32:10 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:32:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.
In-Reply-To: <8C8D16F5592B720-177C-1508@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <031901c7035b$d66e5250$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

Oh that made me giggle! I am too! I totally wish I wasn't!
 
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:06 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.



I will talk about Harry Potter all you want too. If it matters I am a 26
year old highschool math teacher from california and seriously depressed
that I am a muggle. 

Kristin


-----Original Message-----
From: eragon_unleashed123 <mailto:eragon_unleashed123%40yahoo.co.in>
@yahoo.co.in
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Looking for Harry Potter Friends.

I AM THE TYPE OF GUY WHO YOU WANT TO CHAT ABOUT HARRY POTTER.I AM A HUGE FAN
OF HARRY POTTER AND I WILL LOVE TO TALK ABOUT HIM OR OTHER RELATED THINGS!!!

Trulysweet2you <trulysweet2you@ <mailto:trulysweet2you%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com> wrote: There is a lot of posts in this group.. All i really
really totally 
want is a few friends to talk about the Harry Potter books and movies 
with.. You know a close group of pals that i can just chat and laugh 
with.. I loveeeeeee the Harry Potter series. I had to put the group 
to daily digest because of the vast number of posts in here so please 
message me at trulysweet2you@ <mailto:trulysweet2you%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com
if you want to talk to someone 
that loves to talk about Harry Potter as much as you. If it matters i 
am 29 years old female from Texas.

Holly

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 17:45:35 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:45:35 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <02e301c70354$d29959b0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eit53v+h283@eGroups.com>

---  "Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> I'll do that... and that bboymin (steve isn't it?) he's
> a wordy wordy man!
> ;-)
>  
>  
> Michelle 

bboyminn:

You think I'm a worldly worldly man? ....Aww...isn't that
sweet. ;)

Steve/boyminn





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov  8 18:11:23 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:11:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eit53v+h283@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <035701c70361$5100b3a0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

tee hee.... 
You know what's funny... when I first joined HPFGU's a few months ago... I
was impressed that you all knew so much about the stories.  I read them, and
enjoy them, and do indeed daydream at times about what it'd be like to live
there... but the wealth of knowledge so many of you have about the books is
just astounding.  You were one of the first listees that impressed me.
 
Michelle

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:46 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: FGU LIST traffic



--- "Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> I'll do that... and that bboymin (steve isn't it?) he's
> a wordy wordy man!
> ;-)
> 
> 
> Michelle 

bboyminn:

You think I'm a worldly worldly man? ....Aww...isn't that
sweet. ;)

Steve/boyminn



 


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 18:36:36 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:36:36 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <035701c70361$5100b3a0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <eit83k+qqm1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle A. Tague" 
<taguem at ...> wrote:
>
> tee hee.... 
> You know what's funny... when I first joined HPFGU's a few months 
ago... I
> was impressed that you all knew so much about the stories.  I read 
them, and
> enjoy them, and do indeed daydream at times about what it'd be like 
to live
> there... but the wealth of knowledge so many of you have about the 
books is
> just astounding.  You were one of the first listees that impressed me.
>  
> Michelle
> 


MJ:

Maybe those of us who read the main list but don't post should do an 
honor roll of our favorite posters.  :-)  

Okay, I know, bad idea...some really good posters will inevitably get 
left out, but I know I personally have those whose writings I try to 
never miss.  


MJ





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 19:14:57 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:14:57 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eit0hq+esh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eitabh+j1a3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" <xcpublishing at ...> 
wrote:
>
> The HPFGU can be intimidating, especially for those of us with no 
> time!  I get the digests and then skim the headings for topics of 
> interests.  Scroll down and read only the ones you've chosen (don't 
> get sidetracked or you'll be stuck for hours!) and if you want to 
> reply, copy the thread into a Word document so that you can reply 
at 
> your leisure.  Post it when you're finished.
> 
> Even if the topic interests me, there are some posts I won't read 
> depending on the author because I know I disagree with everything 
they 
> say.  Rather than get my blood boiling, I avoid.  On the flip side, 
I 
> read just about everything by other people (bboymin and Alla) 
because 
> I think they're brilliant, lol!


Alla:

LOL. You make me blush, you truly do, but it certainly brighten up my 
rainy rainy day. Thank you.

But yes, as someone who does keep up with main list ( and has full 
time 
job too :)), I only read topics that interest me, unless I do have to 
read the list as part of elfy duties ( we rotate the list reading 
duty).

I also avoid some posts to protect my blood pressure  from rising too 
much  :) if I do not list 
read, unfortunately that is not always possible since I am in the 
habit 
of reading every post in the thread I follow. I mean, certainly I can 
not do it, but this is the courtesy which I believe should be 
followed 
and therefore I am trying to.

Since we are talking about favorite main list writers ( and I am 
certainly NOT naming everybody I like, too many of them, just those 
whose writings I admire :)) - I never, ever, ever miss anything 
written 
by Neri - he ROCKS and Amiable Dorsai - he rocks too and makes me 
laugh 
and Magpie and Nora ( hey, Nora come back to posting :)) and Jen 
Reese 
and Sherry, and SSSusan and Ceridwen and Debbie, sooooo yes too many 
of 
them

I want to write like them when I grow up :)

Alla,

who never is happy with her writing, honestly.






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 20:14:40 2006
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:14:40 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eit1dk+nlca@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eitdrg+91cl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sharon" <sharon8880 at ...> 
wrote:
  
> Sharon responds:
> <snip> I don't remember the traffic there being this heavy in 
> between OOP & HBP though.  Anyone else?
> Sharon
>

Are you kidding me???  Look at the message history on HPfGU homepage.

8234 messages in July '03 - that's the peak.  It's running about 1/4 
of that rate right now.  

Annemehr






From snapes_witch at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 23:13:46 2006
From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Snape's Witch)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:13:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
Message-ID: <20061108231347.85323.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>

bumbledor:
   
  >Well I totaly dropped the main list. Not because of the Message load, - heck 
>I get over 200 emails a day now from over 13 egroups - and yes I have a full 
>time job. I dropped the main list because of what I believe is their anal 
>rententive editing requirements for replying to messages. So why read stuff 
>that you can't even respond to?
   
  I totally identify with this.  After two tries I'm finally off moderated status!  I won't be a frequent poster though.



              Snape's Witch
   
  Oh God, it's years since I played the villain.  I haven't played a baddie for ages.
                          -- Alan Rickman July 2006
  











 
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From libtax10375 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  8 23:22:07 2006
From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:22:07 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat?
Message-ID: <eitoqv+2lqa@eGroups.com>

With the weather getting cooler (here in the eastern US anyway) I am 
missing the weekly chat. Did I miss something posted regarding why we 
aren't doing it any longer? I have been accused of not being in the 
know, so feel free to slap my virtual hand.
I miss you all!





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  8 23:52:10 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 23:52:10 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <20061108231347.85323.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eitqja+k94n@eGroups.com>

---  Snape's Witch <snapes_witch at ...> wrote:
>
> bumbledor:
>    
> > ...I dropped the main list because of what I believe
> > is their anal rententive editing requirements for 
> > replying to messages. So why read stuff that you can't
> > even respond to?

> S.W.:
>    
>  I totally identify with this.  After two tries I'm 
> finally off moderated status!  I won't be a frequent 
> poster though.
>
> Snape's Witch
>    

bboyminn:

I can identify with what you are both saying. When I was
new here, I took the same attitude. In fact, I responded
to an Elf and flat out said they were being too anally
retentive about the whole thing; yes, I used those
exact words.

Now, after having been here a substantial time, I support
these efforts. The Elves are tougher on new people
because they are trying to get them in the habit of 
doing things right IN and FOR this Group.

Once you get the hang of things and get off moderated
status, things get easier, you are used to the format
and it comes more natural. Also once off moderated status
the Elves aren't quite so strict. You really have to mess
up before one of them will send you a reminder. Even after
years here, I still get them on occassion, though it is
usually because I have been unintentionally rude or I 
have said something that really 'wound' someone up. A 
quick sincere apology, and things are back on track
again.

My point is to not let the initial frustration and sense
of overbearing restiction get to you, the group is far
friendlier and much easier than it would initially 
appear upon joining.

Steve/bboyminn






From miles at martinbraeutigam.de  Wed Nov  8 23:39:52 2006
From: miles at martinbraeutigam.de (Miles)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:39:52 +0100
Subject: Weekly Chat?
References: <eitoqv+2lqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b001c7038f$305e6dd0$15b2a8c0@miles>

Leeann McCullough wrote:
> With the weather getting cooler (here in the eastern US anyway) I am
> missing the weekly chat.

Hi,

the chat is still alive, more or less, although only few people came the
last few weeks.
This was the invitation from the main list, posted on Sunday:

      Reminder from:   HPforGrownups's Calendar
      Title:   Weekly Chat
      Date:   Sunday November 5, 2006
      Time:   1:00 pm - 1:00 pm
      Repeats:   This event repeats every week.
      Location:   http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574
      Description:   Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour.

      To get to the HPfGU room follow this link:
      http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574

      Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want
      to be called.

      Enter the password: hpfguchat

      Click "Join Chat" on the lower right.

      Chat start times:
      11 am Pacific US
      12 noon Mountain US
      1 pm Central US
      2 pm Eastern US
      7 pm UK




From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 01:53:19 2006
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:53:19 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat?
In-Reply-To: <00b001c7038f$305e6dd0$15b2a8c0@miles>
Message-ID: <eiu1mf+m6dv@eGroups.com>

Miles:

> the chat is still alive, more or less, although only few people came the
> last few weeks.
> This was the invitation from the main list, posted on Sunday:


Miles, thank you for that.  I have updated the OTC calendar and set it
to send a reminder like we send to the Main list.  Sorry about that!


KathyK





From isolde_tameir at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 03:45:05 2006
From: isolde_tameir at yahoo.com (isolde_tameir)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:45:05 -0000
Subject: OWLS
Message-ID: <eiu881+gn6v@eGroups.com>

new to group,  I am trying to figure out how to take my OWLS, but need 
a student ID....how does one get this?






From magshirrox at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  9 05:56:40 2006
From: magshirrox at sbcglobal.net (furbratz)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:56:40 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
Message-ID: <eiufuo+dl4b@eGroups.com>

Anyone get these to do something? I've tried watering the plant with
each bottle but nothing happens. 

furbrats






From spin01 at aol.com  Thu Nov  9 13:28:04 2006
From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:28:04 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <eiufuo+dl4b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eivad4+pe8i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "furbratz" <magshirrox at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Anyone get these to do something? I've tried watering the plant with
> each bottle but nothing happens. 
> 
> furbrats
>
Not sure if anyone answered you yet but go into the extra's area and 
listen to the radio.  it will help.
sherry






From chnc1024 at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  9 14:49:05 2006
From: chnc1024 at bellsouth.net (Chancie)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:49:05 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] OWLS
References: <eiu881+gn6v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007101c7040e$34590150$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

From: isolde_tameir 


new to group, I am trying to figure out how to take my OWLS, but need 
a student ID....how does one get this?



 




*************************************************************************************
Chancie:

I'm assuming your are meaning the W.O.M.B.A.T. test from JKR's website?
Unfortunately your only able to take the test when the room of requirement
(the room with the big door) has the "Do Not Disturb" sign removed.  JK does
this from time to time, but there is no telling when it will be done.  I missed the 
last W.O.M.B.A.T. also due to the fact that I was in labor with my second child.
Something told me as soon as I would be unable to get to a computer, that 
dang door would open! Sorry you missed it too, hopefully we can take the next
test when it opens again...Soon I hope!!!




  .
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From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 14:55:40 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:55:40 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eitqja+k94n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eivfhc+dm14@eGroups.com>

 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I can identify with what you are both saying. When I was
> new here, I took the same attitude. In fact, I responded
> to an Elf and flat out said they were being too anally
> retentive about the whole thing; yes, I used those
> exact words.
> 
> Now, after having been here a substantial time, I support
> these efforts. The Elves are tougher on new people
> because they are trying to get them in the habit of 
> doing things right IN and FOR this Group.
> 
> Once you get the hang of things and get off moderated
> status, things get easier, you are used to the format
> and it comes more natural. Also once off moderated status
> the Elves aren't quite so strict. You really have to mess
> up before one of them will send you a reminder. Even after
> years here, I still get them on occassion, though it is
> usually because I have been unintentionally rude or I 
> have said something that really 'wound' someone up. A 
> quick sincere apology, and things are back on track
> again.
> 
> My point is to not let the initial frustration and sense
> of overbearing restiction get to you, the group is far
> friendlier and much easier than it would initially 
> appear upon joining.
> 

Neri:
What do you have to do in order to draw some attention from the elves
here? I can't remember ever getting anything from them. Well, I get
the usual admin messages so I know they have my e-mail, but I can't
remember anything else. I must have been moderated when I joined, but
I can't remember it at all. I feel quite neglected ;-)

OK, after I wrote this I ran a search on my e-mail box and I found one
(1) message from the mods. It was back in 2004 and the elf (Debby)
thought I could snip a bit more. I feel so much better now... Thanks
Debby!

Neri 





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 17:08:21 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:08:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: TV show: Heroes
Message-ID: <20061109170821.9620.qmail@web90415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all.
   
  I'm looking for a good forum/group to discuss Heroes. 
   
  I'm looking for the caliber of posts/threads that are similar to the Main of HPfGU: wordly, wordly writers along with some anal moderators.
   
  Thanks!
   
  Kemper, in his own way, saving the cheer leader and saving the world

 
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From snapes_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  9 21:11:20 2006
From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Snape's Witch)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:11:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
Message-ID: <93229.93645.qm@web50110.mail.yahoo.com>

Annemehr:
  >Are you kidding me??? Look at the message history on HPfGU homepage.

>8234 messages in July '03 - that's the peak. It's running about 1/4 
>of that rate right now. 

That sounds like that was the first time I joined HP4gu.  I was already in 2 or 3 high traffic non-HP groups and the amount of hp4gu daily digests was staggering so I left until this past summer.
   
  Our mods should get high fives all around for their help to us newbies especially when I have senior moments!  I've always thought moderating an unusually large and active list is much like trying to herd cats.  Another  large HP group has made a lot of enemies because the mods are so strict, but it IS necessary.
   
  Snape's Witch
   
   

 
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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Nov  9 22:53:45 2006
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:53:45 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <eivfhc+dm14@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej0bhp+i33q@eGroups.com>

Neri:
> What do you have to do in order to draw some attention from the elves
> here? I can't remember ever getting anything from them. Well, I get
> the usual admin messages so I know they have my e-mail, but I can't
> remember anything else. I must have been moderated when I joined, but
> I can't remember it at all. I feel quite neglected ;-)
> 
> OK, after I wrote this I ran a search on my e-mail box and I found one
> (1) message from the mods. It was back in 2004 and the elf (Debby)
> thought I could snip a bit more. I feel so much better now... Thanks
> Debby!

Debbie:
You're welcome!  Things have changed since then.  At least I've learned 
to spell my name properly. ;-)

Debbie





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 10 02:36:12 2006
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:36:12 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <ej0bhp+i33q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej0ois+8mvq@eGroups.com>

Neri:
> > What do you have to do in order to draw some attention from the 
> > elves here? I can't remember ever getting anything from them. 
> > Well, I get the usual admin messages so I know they have my e-
> > mail, but I can't remember anything else. I must have been 
> > moderated when I joined, but I can't remember it at all. I feel 
> > quite neglected ;-)
> > 
> > OK, after I wrote this I ran a search on my e-mail box and I 
> > found one (1) message from the mods. It was back in 2004 and the 
> > elf (Debby) thought I could snip a bit more. I feel so much 
> > better now... Thanks Debby!

SSSusan:
Hey now, Neri!  Maybe it just means that you are a model poster!  

And I know for a *fact* you have indeed received some elfy 
communication, just not in the category of Howler/Owler/You Need to 
Fix This. ;-)  

And how 'bout all those times I've written you as plain old SSSusan, 
to compliment you on a post?  Doesn't that count, sort of?? :)

SSSusan, aka Shorty Elf






From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 10 10:20:46 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:20:46 -0000
Subject: OWLS
In-Reply-To: <007101c7040e$34590150$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <ej1jpu+u63@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> From: isolde_tameir 
> 
> 
> new to group, I am trying to figure out how to take my OWLS, but 
need 
> a student ID....how does one get this?
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
**********************************************************************
***************
> Chancie:
> 
> I'm assuming your are meaning the W.O.M.B.A.T. test from JKR's 
website?
> Unfortunately your only able to take the test when the room of 
requirement
> (the room with the big door) has the "Do Not Disturb" sign 
removed.  JK does
> this from time to time, but there is no telling when it will be 
done.  I missed the 
> last W.O.M.B.A.T. also due to the fact that I was in labor with my 
second child.
> Something told me as soon as I would be unable to get to a 
computer, that 
> dang door would open! Sorry you missed it too, hopefully we can 
take the next
> test when it opens again...Soon I hope!!!


Secca adds:

Hello!... Yes, you missed WOMBAT Grade 1 & Grade 2, sorry to say... 
Jo said Wombat Grade 3 was due "in a few months".

You can look at our transcripts of the past tests, and the room 
puzzles that accompanied them, here:

http://www.potterskeys.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=81

Also, check out the Lexicon, they have commentary and discussion 
about both tests... (as well as lots of other cool stuff!)
(http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html)





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 12:41:20 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:41:20 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <eivad4+pe8i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" <spin01 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "furbratz" <magshirrox@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone get these to do something? I've tried watering the plant 
with
> > each bottle but nothing happens. 
> > 
> > furbrats
> >
> Not sure if anyone answered you yet but go into the extra's area and 
> listen to the radio.  it will help.
> sherry
>

maria8162001 here:

I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 5 drops 
of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it(5 red & 
3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life. Just keep 
trying, cheers.





From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 19:03:43 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:03:43 -0000
Subject: FGU LIST traffic
In-Reply-To: <ej0ois+8mvq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej2ief+vs4t@eGroups.com>

> 
> Debbie:
> You're welcome!  Things have changed since then.  At least I've 
learned 
> to spell my name properly. ;-)
> 
> Debbie
>

Neri
Oops, my apologies Debbie. My poor English still surfaces 
occasionally. I guess in the back of may brain it was it somehow 
connected like: house elf-> Dobby ->Debby. Or is it actually spelled 
Dobbie? Now I have to go and check it in the books



> SSSusan:
> Hey now, Neri!  Maybe it just means that you are a model poster!  
> 
> And I know for a *fact* you have indeed received some elfy 
> communication, just not in the category of Howler/Owler/You Need to 
> Fix This. ;-)  
> 
> And how 'bout all those times I've written you as plain old 
SSSusan, 
> to compliment you on a post?  Doesn't that count, sort of?? :)

Neri:
Sure SSSusan, it counts for you, and many thanks for the compliments. 
But it doesn't count for the elves. C'mon, I know I'm doing things 
wrong sometimes. I can be mean to other posters, I don't always snip 
and I'm positive I once sent four posts a day during the period of 
the three posts limit. So why don't I get any howlers? I suspect you 
are too  polite there in Hexquarters ;-) 

Neri







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 02:40:21 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:40:21 -0000
Subject: Driving Lessons - Minneapolis
Message-ID: <ej3d6l+eha9@eGroups.com>

Just came from seeing 'Driving Lessons' in Minneapolis.
Actually, I saw it twice, once at 2:30 and once at 4:30.
I thought was a very good movie, though I admit it was
hard for Rupert to shine along side Julie Walters. Still
he gave a very good performance, and far outshined 
anything he has ever been allowed to do in Harry Potter.

To some extent his character is introverted and repressed,
so that somewhat inhibited his general performance, but he
/did/ capture the character of Ben very accurately. When
he was call on to be repressed inhibited, he did so very
nicely, and when he was called on for more emotional 
moments, again, he was well up to the task. 

I've notice in both his HP role and his role of Ben in 
this movie, that his performances are very subtle; tiny
things that he does that bring real life to his 
character.

Anyway, I recommend it for anyone who wants a very 
pleasant way to spend an afternoon or evening.

Steve/bboyminn






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 11 04:07:07 2006
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:07:07 -0000
Subject: Driving Lessons - Minneapolis
In-Reply-To: <ej3d6l+eha9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej3i9b+n4is@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Just came from seeing 'Driving Lessons' in Minneapolis.
> Actually, I saw it twice, once at 2:30 and once at 4:30.
> I thought was a very good movie, though I admit it was
> hard for Rupert to shine along side Julie Walters. Still
> he gave a very good performance, and far outshined 
> anything he has ever been allowed to do in Harry Potter.

SSSusan:
No fair!!!

Living in small town Indiana as I do, there's no way I'll get to see 
this unless I truck up to Chicago... or wait 'til it's released on 
DVD.  Bother.  But I'm glad to hear you think Rupert did well.


Steve:
> I've notice in both his HP role and his role of Ben in 
> this movie, that his performances are very subtle; tiny
> things that he does that bring real life to his 
> character.

SSSusan:
I totally agree that he does this.  I think about the scene in GoF 
where Hermione is reading, with great disgust, the article claiming 
she's got a crush on the "Bulgarian Bon-Bon, Viktor Krum," and she 
reads about herself as being a "plain but ambitious girl," in the 
background Rupert does a sort of tiny chuckle & nod of the head that 
perfectly captures his amusement & agreement with the 
characterization.

Granted, he can also be campy and a little over the top with his 
mugging (especially was do in the first two movies), but I think 
he's getting quite good at the more subtle details.  

SSSusan






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 04:55:23 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:55:23 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement (spoiler?)
In-Reply-To: <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej3l3r+du2o@eGroups.com>

maria8162001 here:
> 
> I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 5
drops of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it(5
red & 3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life.
Just keep trying, cheers.
>

Carol responds:
*
*
*
* 
*
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
*
S
P
A
C
E
*
*

IIRC, it's six of red (Gryffindor?) and three of green (Slytherin?),
which may or may not prove prophetic for Book 7. What the plant
blossoms into when the drops are put on it also may be significant.

Carol, not sure whether she needs spoiler space here or not but
playing it safe 





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 17:20:19 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:20:19 -0000
Subject: Driving Lessons - Minneapolis
In-Reply-To: <ej3d6l+eha9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej50oj+7rhi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Just came from seeing 'Driving Lessons' in Minneapolis.
> Actually, I saw it twice, once at 2:30 and once at 4:30.
> I thought was a very good movie, though I admit it was
> hard for Rupert to shine along side Julie Walters. Still
> he gave a very good performance, and far outshined 
> anything he has ever been allowed to do in Harry Potter.
> 
> To some extent his character is introverted and repressed,
> so that somewhat inhibited his general performance, but he
> /did/ capture the character of Ben very accurately. When
> he was call on to be repressed inhibited, he did so very
> nicely, and when he was called on for more emotional 
> moments, again, he was well up to the task. 
> 
> I've notice in both his HP role and his role of Ben in 
> this movie, that his performances are very subtle; tiny
> things that he does that bring real life to his 
> character.
> 


Kemper now:
Lucky.  I thought it was only playing in LA/NY.  I'm looking forward 
to seeing it.  Rupert is by far my fav HP actor and I think 
underused (or undermined?)

The way you describe Ben kind of reminds me of Harold from one of my 
Top 24 movies, Harold and Maude.  Have you seen it?  It's a cross-
generational love story.  It's beautiful and funny.  

-Kemper, patiently waiting





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 17:30:10 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:30:10 -0000
Subject: Chicago first week in December
Message-ID: <ej51b2+9sj0@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
I'll be going to a conference in Chicago the first week of December.
I'm looking for a cool weekday karaoke bar (M,T,W).  I'll be staying 
near the Tribune Tower.  Not afraid to walk half a mile or to take bus 
a couple of miles.

Also... any local recommends for cheaper, delicious food?

Kemper





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 17:50:45 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:50:45 -0000
Subject: Driving Lessons - Landmark Theaters Link
In-Reply-To: <ej50oj+7rhi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej52hl+ndj5@eGroups.com>

--- "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > Just came from seeing 'Driving Lessons' in Minneapolis.
> > Actually, I saw it twice, once at 2:30 and once at 
> > 4:30. I thought was a very good movie, ...
> > 
> 
> 
> Kemper now:
> Lucky. I thought it was only playing in LA/NY. I'm 
> looking forward to seeing it.  Rupert is by far my fav 
> HP actor and  I think underused (or undermined?)
> 
> The way you describe Ben kind of reminds me of Harold 
> from one of my Top 24 movies, Harold and Maude.  Have 
> you seen it? It's a cross-generational love story.  It's
> beautiful and funny.  
> 
> -Kemper, patiently waiting

bboyminn: 

To check for a theater near you, go to the Landmark Theater
website and select assorted cities on the left.

http://www.landmarktheaters.com/Index.htm

I'm pretty sure I did see 'Harold and Maude' in the theater
many years ago when it was first release and I was just a
young pup. If I remember right Robbie Benson played 'Harold'.
I'm told the book was much racier than the movie. The was a
very tender love story, and yes, it was funny. 

For the record, I drove 110 miles (220 round trip) to see 
the movie, though I justified it by claiming to have other
business that also needed to be taken care of. I tried to 
talk my brother into going but he was commited to helping 
my sister with the local Church lutefisk supper/dinner. 
Could we possibly be any more small town Scandinavian?

Steve/bboyminn

PS: does everyone know what lutefisk is? We have had long
deep discussion of it here before. It is either a traditional
Scandinavian delicacy or a punishment, depending on your
perspective.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 11 23:06:56 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:06:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Driving Lessons - Minneapolis
In-Reply-To: <ej50oj+7rhi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <76903.82985.qm@web56006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Steve:
> >
> > Just came from seeing 'Driving Lessons' in
> Minneapolis.
> > Actually, I saw it twice, once at 2:30 and once at
> 4:30.
> > I thought was a very good movie, though I admit it
> was
> > hard for Rupert to shine along side Julie Walters.
> Still
> > he gave a very good performance, and far outshined
> 
> > anything he has ever been allowed to do in Harry
> Potter.
> > 
> > To some extent his character is introverted and
> repressed,
> > so that somewhat inhibited his general
> performance, but he
> > /did/ capture the character of Ben very
> accurately. When
> > he was call on to be repressed inhibited, he did
> so very
> > nicely, and when he was called on for more
> emotional 
> > moments, again, he was well up to the task. 
> > 
> > I've notice in both his HP role and his role of
> Ben in 
> > this movie, that his performances are very subtle;
> tiny
> > things that he does that bring real life to his 
> > character.
> > 
> 
> 
> Kemper now:
> Lucky.  I thought it was only playing in LA/NY.  I'm
> looking forward 
> to seeing it.  Rupert is by far my fav HP actor and
> I think 
> underused (or undermined?)
> 
> The way you describe Ben kind of reminds me of
> Harold from one of my 
> Top 24 movies, Harold and Maude.  Have you seen it? 
> It's a cross-
> generational love story.  It's beautiful and funny. 
> 
> 
> -Kemper, patiently waiting
> 

Sheryll:

I'm patiently waiting, too, for Driving Lessons. I
know it's scheduled to run at our independent movie
theatre in December for about an 8 - 10 day run. If
necessary, I'll book a day off work to make sure I get
a chance to see it. After all, that's one of the joys
of a flexible schedule, making sure I get my days off
when they're useful. :)

I'm also waiting for Alan Rickman's Snowcake movie to
hit the independent theatre. Sadly, that one's coming
when I'm away for Christmas. But I've still got my
fingers crossed I can manage to see it.

Sheryll

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From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 01:30:49 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:30:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Chicago first week in December
In-Reply-To: <ej51b2+9sj0@eGroups.com>
References: <ej51b2+9sj0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0611111730n588dc1b1hd490e688218d4e7f@mail.gmail.com>

Kemper:
> Also... any local recommends for cheaper, delicious food?

Sadly, I haven't been to Chicago in a few years, so I can't help in
the way of personal experiences, but you might want to post your
question to the Chowhound board to see if the Chicago area folks can
help:
http://www.chowhound.com/boards/show/7

~Ali



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Nov 12 16:48:00 2006
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 12 Nov 2006 16:48:00 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 11/12/2006, 11:00 am 
Message-ID: <1163350080.9.91231.m36@yahoogroups.com>


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 12 17:53:39 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:53:39 -0000
Subject: Electric razor for teenage boy?
Message-ID: <ej7n33+vv4o@eGroups.com>

Oops! Lost my first attempt at this post. I need advice from very
young men or parents of teenage boys. What's the best (inexpensive)
electric razor for a teenage boy who's never shaved before? The boy in
question is only thirteen, but because his hair is dark, his little
mustache is actually black and very noticeable. The mustache hair is
fine and I'd hate to have it turn to stubble, and I really don't want
him to hurt himself, either. It's sad because in many way he's only a
little kid with a deepening voice, big feet, and a mustache. Any
suggestions?

Carol, who has never been a boy and doesn't know how to help him





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Nov 12 18:12:43 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:12:43 -0000
Subject: Lutefisk - Landmark Theaters Link
In-Reply-To: <ej52hl+ndj5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ej7o6r+dsf9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

Does the Asian side of your family put kimchi on the lutefisk? That
might be a justification for the existence of kimchi.

> For the record, I drove 110 miles (220 round trip) to see 
> the movie, though I justified it by claiming to have other
> business that also needed to be taken care of. I tried to 
> talk my brother into going but he was commited to helping 
> my sister with the local Church lutefisk supper/dinner. 
> Could we possibly be any more small town Scandinavian?
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> PS: does everyone know what lutefisk is? We have had long
> deep discussion of it here before. It is either a traditional
> Scandinavian delicacy or a punishment, depending on your
> perspective.
>






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From random832 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 15:30:55 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:30:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com>
References: <eivad4+pe8i@eGroups.com> <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50611130730v48c0f3e0qb3e056c966fe4ce6@mail.gmail.com>

> maria8162001 here:
>
> I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 5 drops
> of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it(5 red &
> 3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life. Just keep
> trying, cheers.

It also won't let you do it unless you've actually listened to the
radio in the same session.



From chnc1024 at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 13 20:13:55 2006
From: chnc1024 at bellsouth.net (Chancie)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:13:55 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
References: <eivad4+pe8i@eGroups.com> <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com> <7b9f25e50611130730v48c0f3e0qb3e056c966fe4ce6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c70760$3f315140$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jordan Abel 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement


  > maria8162001 here:
  >
  > I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 5 drops
  > of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it(5 red &
  > 3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life. Just keep
  > trying, cheers.

  It also won't let you do it unless you've actually listened to the
  radio in the same session.


   .


  Chancie:
   
  I've had to re-do it a few times when the cookies on my computer 
  were deleted, and I've never had to go back and listen to the radio
  in order to get it to work... Has anyone else?  Just wondering...




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From bamajenny at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 13 20:40:30 2006
From: bamajenny at bellsouth.net (Jenny H.)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:40:30 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
References: <eivad4+pe8i@eGroups.com> <ej1s1g+cubq@eGroups.com> <7b9f25e50611130730v48c0f3e0qb3e056c966fe4ce6@mail.gmail.com> <001701c70760$3f315140$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <009b01c70764$02790c80$1901a8c0@HP72472929110>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chancie" <chnc1024 at bellsouth.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement


>   
>  I've had to re-do it a few times when the cookies on my computer 
>  were deleted, and I've never had to go back and listen to the radio
>  in order to get it to work... Has anyone else?  Just wondering...
> 
Mine won't work at all right now, probably because my plant isn't dead. :~)
I thought the potions would only work when the Do Not Disturb sign was
off the door, as part of the puzzle to get in the door.
Jenny





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Nov 13 21:07:08 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:07:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <001701c70760$3f315140$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <035f01c70767$b33e77f0$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

I could only do it if I listened to the radio broadcast.
 
Michelle A. Tague
Office Manager
JM & Company
1045 First Avenue,
Suite 110
King of Prussia, PA  19406
610-964-0200 phone
610-964-8596 fax
www.jmsearch.com <http://www.jmsearch.com/> 
 
484-367-7205 Direct
 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chancie
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:14 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement




----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jordan Abel 
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement

> maria8162001 here:
>
> I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 5 drops
> of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it(5 red &
> 3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life. Just keep
> trying, cheers.

It also won't let you do it unless you've actually listened to the
radio in the same session.

.

Chancie:

I've had to re-do it a few times when the cookies on my computer 
were deleted, and I've never had to go back and listen to the radio
in order to get it to work... Has anyone else? Just wondering...

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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 13 23:23:21 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:23:21 -0000
Subject: IMDb Daily Poll
Message-ID: <ejaup9+hohb@eGroups.com>

Today's IMDb Daily Poll is favorite movie character with a British
accent. One of the nominees is Harry Potter; another is Gandalf.
Snape, alas, is not listed, so I voted for Other. If you're
interested, the link is http://www.imdb.com/poll/

If you get there after the poll is closed, you can still check the
results by clicking See results without voting and going from there to
previous ImDb polls. You have to be registered, but everyone ought to
be registered on that site, anyway, right? At any rate, it's painless
and free.

Carol, noting that the one IMDb poll I know of that included Snape
classed him as a villain, and HBP wasn't even in preproduction at the
time (What do they know?)





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 05:09:27 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:09:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
Message-ID: <20061114050927.53951.qmail@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Carol wrote:
  I need advice from veryyoung men or parents of teenage boys. What's the best (inexpensive) electric razor for a teenage boy who's never shaved before? The boy in
question is only thirteen, but because his hair is dark, his little
mustache is actually black and very noticeable. The mustache hair is
fine and I'd hate to have it turn to stubble, and I really don't want
him to hurt himself, either. It's sad because in many way he's only a
little kid with a deepening voice, big feet, and a mustache. Any
suggestions?

Kemper now:
  I think electric shavers suck.  I would encourage you to buy him a Mach 3 and to shave with an older male role-model.  He may cut himself, but we all do.  It's part of the experience.  He could practice shaving a balloon, I guess.  Stubble will come with razor or with shaver.  Might as well learn the more manly way =)
   
  Kemper


 
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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 12:20:36 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:20:36 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <001701c70760$3f315140$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <ejccak+4kv2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jordan Abel 
>   To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:30 AM
>   Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of 
requirement
> 
> 
>   > maria8162001 here:
>   >
>   > I forgot the order but you should put 3 drops ot red potion & 
5 drops
>   > of green to the plants and if it doesn't work try reversing it
(5 red &
>   > 3 green). It's one of those and the plant will come to life. 
Just keep
>   > trying, cheers.
> 
>   It also won't let you do it unless you've actually listened to 
the
>   radio in the same session.
> 
> 
>    .
> 
> 
>   Chancie:
>    
>   I've had to re-do it a few times when the cookies on my computer 
>   were deleted, and I've never had to go back and listen to the 
radio
>   in order to get it to work... Has anyone else?  Just wondering...
> 
> 
maia8162001:

Actually I never listen to the radio when I did it the first time, I 
got the numbers of drops from the group and just do it without 
listening to the radio. Nothing happen on my first try but on my  
third try the plant came to life, I guess it's the positionin of the 
potions, you need to drop the potions on the correct position or 
place on the plant.Cheers.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Nov 14 12:26:46 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:26:46 -0000
Subject: IMDb Daily Poll
In-Reply-To: <ejaup9+hohb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejccm6+ivth@eGroups.com>

Carol: 
> Carol, noting that the one IMDb poll I know of that included Snape
> classed him as a villain, and HBP wasn't even in preproduction at the
> time (What do they know?)


Potioncat:
Well, Rickman was quoted earlier this year saying that he hasn't played 
a villain in years. ;-)






From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 12:24:33 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:24:33 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <009b01c70764$02790c80$1901a8c0@HP72472929110>
Message-ID: <ejcci1+v11j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jenny H." <bamajenny at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chancie" <chnc1024 at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potions outside JKR Room of 
requirement
> 
> 
> >   
> >  I've had to re-do it a few times when the cookies on my 
computer 
> >  were deleted, and I've never had to go back and listen to the 
radio
> >  in order to get it to work... Has anyone else?  Just 
wondering...
> > 
> Mine won't work at all right now, probably because my plant isn't 
dead. :~)
> I thought the potions would only work when the Do Not Disturb sign 
was
> off the door, as part of the puzzle to get in the door.
> Jenny
>
maria8162001:

No, the potion work the whole time as long as your plant is still 
dead and once you've put the correct amount of potions, the plant 
comes to life and it stays that way all the time. Cheers:





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 13:41:33 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:41:33 -0000
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <20061114050927.53951.qmail@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ejch2d+kbrs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, kemper mentor 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol wrote:
>   I need advice from veryyoung men or parents of teenage boys. 
What's the best (inexpensive) electric razor for a teenage boy who's 
never shaved before? The boy in
> question is only thirteen, but because his hair is dark, his little
> mustache is actually black and very noticeable. The mustache hair is
> fine and I'd hate to have it turn to stubble, and I really don't 
want
> him to hurt himself, either. It's sad because in many way he's only 
a
> little kid with a deepening voice, big feet, and a mustache. Any
> suggestions?
> 
> Kemper now:
>   I think electric shavers suck.  I would encourage you to buy him 
a Mach 3 and to shave with an older male role-model.  He may cut 
himself, but we all do.  It's part of the experience.  He could 
practice shaving a balloon, I guess.  Stubble will come with razor or 
with shaver.  Might as well learn the more manly way =)
>    
>   Kemper
> 



MJ here:

I have a 19 year old son.  I concur with Kemper regarding the 
electric models.  I bought Luke an electric razor for his first razor 
a few years ago.  He hated it and I don't think he's used it more 
than a few times. Waste of $50, but live and learn.  

I would disagree with a major razor like the Mach 3, though.  His new 
whiskers don't require the triple-blade thing.  I'd go for a standard 
razor and let him work (age) his way up to the big boys.

Just my two knuts.

MJ







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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 16:37:09 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:37:09 -0000
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <ejch2d+kbrs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejcrbl+hrp4@eGroups.com>

> > Carol wrote:
> >   I need advice from veryyoung men or parents of teenage boys. 
> What's the best (inexpensive) electric razor for a teenage boy 
who's 
> never shaved before? ... I really don't 
> want
> > him to hurt himself, either. ... Any
> > suggestions?
> > 
> > Kemper responded earlier:
> >   ...  I would encourage you to buy him 
> a Mach 3 ....  He may cut 
> himself, but we all do.  It's part of the experience.  ...
> 
> 
> 
> MJ added:
> 
> I have a 19 year old son.  I concur with Kemper regarding the 
> electric models.  ... 
> 
> I would disagree with a major razor like the Mach 3, though.  His 
new 
> whiskers don't require the triple-blade thing.  I'd go for a 
standard 
> razor and let him work (age) his way up to the big boys.



Kemper now:
MJ is right, his young whiskers most likely don't require a Mach 3; 
however, his young upper-lip might appreciate it.

A disposable razor, especially single blade, will cut/tear more 
easily skin especially young, soft skin.  

There are double blade disposable razors.  But again, I'm not a 
fan.  MJ, what about a Gilette Sensor?  The original.  The Turbo 
version is a wast of money.  It's a double bladed wonder!

Kemper







From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 19:56:11 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:56:11 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <ejccak+4kv2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejd70r+fun2@eGroups.com>



Just so all the new ones know, it's SIX drops of red potion (not five) 
and three drops of green.


You can try five drops all day long and nothing will happen.



MJ






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 19:55:04 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:55:04 -0000
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <ejcrbl+hrp4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejd6uo+21si@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
> Kemper now:
> MJ is right, his young whiskers most likely don't require a Mach 3; 
> however, his young upper-lip might appreciate it.
> 
> A disposable razor, especially single blade, will cut/tear more 
> easily skin especially young, soft skin.  
> 
> There are double blade disposable razors.  But again, I'm not a 
> fan.  MJ, what about a Gilette Sensor?  The original.  The Turbo 
> version is a wast of money.  It's a double bladed wonder!
> 
> Kemper
>


MJ:

I like the Gillette. I've stolen one or two to use myself.  :)


MJ





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 20:31:10 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:31:10 -0000
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <ejcrbl+hrp4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejd92e+j6d4@eGroups.com>

--- , "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> > > Carol wrote:
> > >   I need advice from veryyoung men or parents of 
> > > teenage boys.  What's the best (inexpensive) 
> > > electric razor for a teenage boy who's never shaved
> > >  before? ...
> > > 
> > > Kemper responded earlier:
> > > ...  I would encourage you to buy him a Mach 3 ....
> > > He may cut  himself, but we all do.  It's part of 
> > > the experience.  ...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > MJ added:
> > 
> > I have a 19 year old son.  I concur with Kemper 
> > regarding the electric models.  ... 
> > 
> > I would disagree with a major razor like the 
> > Mach 3, though. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kemper now:
> MJ is right, his young whiskers most likely don't 
> require a Mach 3; however, his young upper-lip might 
> appreciate it.
> 
> A disposable razor, especially single blade, will 
> cut/tear more easily skin especially young, soft skin.  
> 
> There are double blade disposable razors.  But again, 
> I'm not a fan.  MJ, what about a Gilette Sensor?  The 
> original.  The Turbo version is a waste of money. It's 
> a double bladed wonder!
> 
> Kemper
>

bboyminn:

Time for a shameless plug... I prefer a twin blade razor
with a very small head. I've tried several types and 
right now I'm set on the Schick ST Slim Twin disposable. 
It has a very small head that makes it especially nice 
for shaving around the mustache area. 

I've tried Electrics, mostly Norelco, which are fine if
you like that kind of thing, but I always found that
they irritated my skin far more than a blade razor. If
fact after using an electric, it's like my skin is rubbed
raw. For shaving cream, I prefer EDGE Active Care Gel -
Ultra-Sensitive (fragrance free). I'm somewhat chemically
sensitive so I need fragrance free, but any of the Edge
Gels will work nicely.

Admittedly, it's not a very fancy gift to give a kid a 
pack of disposable razors and some shaving gel. I have
used a older version of the vibrating blade razor and I
thought it worked very well, but the old version I had
was very bulky. You might consider one of those.

I have a friend who has a Wet_and_Dry Electic Shaver and
he really likes it because it allows him to shave in the
shower and to use shaving cream. I don't know the brand
name though, sorry. But it might be a nice choice.

The most common brands are Norelco and Remington (Also,
Braun). I have not used Remington, so I can't speak to 
that, but Norelco makes some relatively inexpensive 
models. A quick check of the Wal-Mart website and I 
found a nice one for about $50.

Wal-Mart's website also had a Panasonic Wet/Dry Electic
Travel Razor for about $35.

All Electric Razors-
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=133146

Norelco 7140XL $50 -
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5184603

Panasonic Wet/Dry Travel Shaver-
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5293208

Also, here is a link to a Norelco Factory Outlet website-
http://norelco.factoryoutletstore.com/?&arefx=0

Side note: My Dad really like his Norelco Rotary Razors.
It's all he ever used.

Still...personally I have always been and will always be
a 'blade' man.


Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Nov 15 13:14:58 2006
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:14:58 -0000
Subject: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <ejd92e+j6d4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejf3sj+dl4c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
> > > > Carol wrote:
> > > >   I need advice from veryyoung men or parents of 
> > > > teenage boys.  What's the best (inexpensive) 
> > > > electric razor for a teenage boy who's never shaved
> > > >  before? ...
> 
> bboyminn:
[snip]
> I've tried Electrics, mostly Norelco, which are fine if
> you like that kind of thing, but I always found that
> they irritated my skin far more than a blade razor. If
> fact after using an electric, it's like my skin is rubbed
> raw. 
[snip]
> Admittedly, it's not a very fancy gift to give a kid a 
> pack of disposable razors and some shaving gel. I have
> used a older version of the vibrating blade razor and I
> thought it worked very well, but the old version I had
> was very bulky. You might consider one of those.
> 
> I have a friend who has a Wet_and_Dry Electic Shaver and
> he really likes it because it allows him to shave in the
> shower and to use shaving cream. I don't know the brand
> name though, sorry. But it might be a nice choice.
[snip]
> Still...personally I have always been and will always be
> a 'blade' man.
> 
> 
> Just passing it along.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Christian:

I believe Braun has a wet-and-dry model, though I've never used on 
myself.  I used only electric razors until I was about 28 or so (both 
rotary head models like Philips and foil-based razors like Braun or 
Panasonic), when the electric razor I used at the time simply failed 
- it just stopped.  I needed a shave, but couldn't afford a new 
electric at the time, so got some Gilette start-kit out of the 
grocery store and gave it a try.  The difference was very marked - 
after trying blades for the first time (having *never* before tried 
that way of shaving, or been taught about it/shown it) I was fully 
converted.  I found that my skin was *much* less sore and irritated, 
and the shave was a lot smoother, than when using an electric razor.  
In fact, after shaving with a balde, it takes typically about 24-36 
hours before I reach the state of stubble that I'd be in when freshly 
shaven with an electric razor.  I generally find cuts are very 
infrequent.

Based on the promotion I've seen of it, Gilette's new vibrating 
bladecartridges appears to be little or no more bulky than a regular 
Mach 3 cartridge.  It seems some of the models in the vibrating 
series also have a single blade on one edge of the cartridge to use 
for shaving just under the nose and in other tricky spots, also.  
These are not sold in shops where I currently live, so I have no 
experience with them.

Best regards
Christian Stub?





From wuff at internode.on.net  Thu Nov 16 07:02:48 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:02:48 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: No electric shaver for Just Carol's kid
In-Reply-To: <ejch2d+kbrs@eGroups.com>
References: <ejch2d+kbrs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <455C0D18.7090107@internode.on.net>

* LUUUUUUUBE *

Don't go for that pressure pack foam nonsense, it's as silly and
as unnessesary as, well, circumcision.

Theres some shavers with a strip, and I find that using those with
a nice wet face... is enough.

Wolfie!



From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 11:40:22 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:40:22 -0000
Subject: Potions outside JKR Room of requirement
In-Reply-To: <ejd70r+fun2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejhin6+6ee4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "MJ" <maritajan at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Just so all the new ones know, it's SIX drops of red potion (not 
five) 
> and three drops of green.
> 
> 
> You can try five drops all day long and nothing will happen.
> 
> 
> 
> MJ
>
maria8162001:

Oooppsss, my mistake, sorry for that, but still if you have the 
right amount of potions drop on the plant it will come to life 
without listening to the radio. thanks for the correction, MJ. 
Cheers :-)





From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 15:35:58 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:35:58 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
Message-ID: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>

This post 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/161571
by Alla in the main list makes me ask: what is the most inspired,
brilliant and exact HP prediction you have ever encountered?

Note: if possible, I'd like to see some substantiated proof: a post in
HPfGU or another public forum with a date earlier than the publication
of the canon in question. 

Neri






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 20:40:00 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:40:00 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejiib0+l53a@eGroups.com>

>Neri wrote:
> This post 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/161571
> by Alla in the main list makes me ask: what is the most inspired,
> brilliant and exact HP prediction you have ever encountered?
> 
> Note: if possible, I'd like to see some substantiated proof: a 
post in
> HPfGU or another public forum with a date earlier than the 
publication
> of the canon in question. 

Kemper now:
I have no proof, but my brother predicted that the reason why Voldie 
lived was because part of his soul was saved outside of his body.  
He had no idea that it would several parts of his soul, but he was 
on the right track.

Sometimes he pisses me off.

Kemper





From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 21:39:51 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:39:51 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejiib0+l53a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejilr7+pjll@eGroups.com>


> Kemper now:
> I have no proof, but my brother predicted that the reason why 
Voldie 
> lived was because part of his soul was saved outside of his body.  
> He had no idea that it would several parts of his soul, but he was 
> on the right track.

Neri:
Actually I vaguely remember at least one similar prediction here in 
HPfGU, although I can't remember by whom, and I can't find the post. 
Does anyone know what it was?

However, merely Voldy hiding his soul (or his heart or whatever) 
outside his body doesn't strike me as a great prediction in itself, 
since this is a common plot device in fairytale and myth. If somebody 
actually predicted that Voldy had several of those soul containers, 
and that the diary was one of them, now this would be a very serious 
contender.

Personally I'm impressed by predictions done using the power of 
deduction, rather than some lucky shot. For example, before HBP we 
argued endlessly about how Snape convinced Voldemort to take him back 
as a double agent (I was completely off the track myself ? I thought 
only some magic could explain it). I think it was Steve (bboyminn) 
who deduced that the only way Voldy would take Snape back is if it 
was Voldy who sent Snape as a spy to Dumbledore in the first place. 
But my memory might be failing me and I can't locate the specific 
post. Steve, if you're reading this, do I remember correctly?

Neri 






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 23:40:24 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:40:24 -0000
Subject: Electric razor for teenage boy?
In-Reply-To: <ej7n33+vv4o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejist8+gljt@eGroups.com>

---  "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> ... I need advice from very
> young men or parents of teenage boys. What's the best (inexpensive)
> electric razor for a teenage boy who's never shaved before? The boy in
> question is only thirteen, ...
> 
> Carol, who has never been a boy and doesn't know how to help him
>

bboyminn:

Carol, just happened to be in Wal-Mart today and saw they have both
low end Triple-Head Norelco Rotary and Duel-Head Microscreen Remington
shavers both for less than $30 each. If you are determined to get an
electric, for a beginner, I don't think you can do better than either
of those for that price.

One last point on /blade/ razors; I don't like the swivel head razors,
they just don't work for me. Some people must like them because they
still make them, but I find them a pain in the ...er... face.

Just passing it along.

Steve





From ladymela99 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 16 17:38:45 2006
From: ladymela99 at yahoo.com (Melanie)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:38:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <93483.29723.qm@web33214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Melanie said: Tis interesting she is watching her tongue on that end.
I mean what does she have to hide now? Sirius is dead..did he
eventually marry? Was their a girl involved...or maybe my theory that
Remus is the married one will end up panning out. I still say that
Remus and Tonks are married. Yes, I know there is an age difference.
But why else would she just be sitting around there all the time. She
was there quite a bit more than any other Order member.
>
> ~Melanie

   
  This was pretty dang close I mean not exact...but close I pegged Lupin and Tonks in some fashion.  :)  I was pretty happy with that.
   
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/133690
   
  Tis the link...
   
  ~Melanie

 
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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 17 01:46:42 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:46:42 -0000
Subject: Auror returns - Yahoo answers -  HP merchandise in Australia
Message-ID: <ejj4a2+mkvc@eGroups.com>

Hi Everyone:

"She's back!".   I have been hanging out at Yahoo answers. The place 
is full of trolls and I got tired of crawling over them all to 
answer the same questions time after time in the Religion and 
Spirituality section. So I am back where I belong!

It is so good to see the old names and post from everyone. Someone 
here even came looking for me. How nice to know that it I fell off 
the earth someone would notice. ;-)

I have a couple of friends that are going to Australia in a few days 
for 3 weeks. I thought I could have them bring back some Harry 
Potter items for me that we don't have here in the U.S.  But I don't 
know what they have there that we can not get here.  Any idea?

Tonks_op
Wiping Troll boogers off of her robes. "Oh, yes Dobby. I would love 
it if you washed my robes. Thank you so much!"







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov 17 12:45:50 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:45:50 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejkatu+trgg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Neri" <nkafkafi at ...> wrote:
>
> This post 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/161571
> by Alla in the main list makes me ask: what is the most inspired,
> brilliant and exact HP prediction you have ever encountered?
> 

This brilliant post by Eloise, dated Nov. 23 2002, predicts the 
following:

 I want to suggest that Dumbledore is sending Snape back to
Voldemort precisely to prepare the way for his own sacrifice. It 
seems that Dumbledore has been unable to tell Harry about his destiny 
up to now. I suggest that he is grooming him for a role that he will 
be able to take up only when Dumbledore is no longer there, that 
Dumbledore knows that he must pass his mantle as the greatest living 
wizard on to Harry. As Fawkes has to die before he can rise again, so 
Dumbledore has to die before Harry can assume his mantle and defeat 
Voldemort. Snape, then, has to regain Voldemort's trust and set in 
motion the train of events that will lead to the 'betrayal' of 
perhaps the one person who has ever shown him true friendship. No 
wonder Snape's pale and Dumbledore's apprehensive.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/47044


   - CMC (who predicted Wormtail's death in Book Six)








From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 17 15:25:36 2006
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:25:36 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejkk9g+ssg7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Neri" <nkafkafi at ...> wrote:
>
> This post 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/161571
> by Alla in the main list makes me ask: what is the most inspired,
> brilliant and exact HP prediction you have ever encountered?
> 
> Note: if possible, I'd like to see some substantiated proof: a post in
> HPfGU or another public forum with a date earlier than the publication
> of the canon in question. 
> 
> Neri
>

I nominate Catlady's prediction of a legal body which she called the
Witchengamot. That's pretty darn close to the Wizengamot that turned up.

CV






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Nov 17 17:19:12 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:19:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Auror returns - Yahoo answers -  HP merchandise
 in Australia
In-Reply-To: <ejj4a2+mkvc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c70a6c$80b32bc0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Tonks]:
| Wiping Troll boogers off of her robes. "Oh, yes Dobby. I would love 
| it if you washed my robes. Thank you so much!"

[Lee]:
Oh, Miss, Dobby is taking his day off, but Winky is glad to wash Miss's
robes for her.  Winky is not liking troll bookers; Winky doesn't want Miss
to have to deal with troll smells...evil, they are!  Winky will wash robes
and give them back all nice and neat and folded.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 17 19:12:37 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:12:37 -0000
Subject: Auror returns - Yahoo answers -  HP merchandise in Australia
In-Reply-To: <001701c70a6c$80b32bc0$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <ejl1j5+htlr@eGroups.com>

> [Lee]:
> Oh, Miss, Dobby is taking his day off, but Winky is glad to wash 
Miss's
> robes for her.  Winky is not liking troll bookers; Winky doesn't want 
Miss
> to have to deal with troll smells...evil, they are!  Winky will wash 
robes
> and give them back all nice and neat and folded.

Tonks:
Why, thank you so much Winky.

I trying a Christian symbolism in HP question on the religion section 
of Yahoo answer and got burned faster than on HPFGU. So now my other 
robes is rather short since the flames were rather high. I will just 
stay home here now. Winky can you sew too?

Tonks_op





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 17 20:44:04 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 20:44:04 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejilr7+pjll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejl6uk+gu7u@eGroups.com>

---  "Neri" <nkafkafi at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Kemper now:
> > I have no proof, but my brother predicted that the 
> > reason why Voldie lived was because part of his soul
> > was saved outside of his body.  
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> Actually I vaguely remember at least one similar 
> prediction here in HPfGU, although I can't remember by
> whom, and I can't find the post. 
> Does anyone know what it was?
> 

bboyminn:

I can't remember who either, but someone in the main 
group did predict that Voldemort was hiding his soul 
outside his body. Of course, I quickly shot that down as
being totally illogical and unlikely ...surprise
...suprise.

I've invited that person to come forward and toot their
own horn several times, but I'm still not sure who it was.
None the less, it was probably one of the most brilliantly
insightful predictions ever made.


> Neri: 
>
> ...edited...
> 
> ... before HBP we argued endlessly about how Snape 
> convinced Voldemort to take him back as a double agent
> (I was completely off the track myself ? I thought 
> only some magic could explain it). I think it was Steve
> (bboyminn) who deduced that the only way Voldy would 
> take Snape back is if it was Voldy who sent Snape as a
> spy to Dumbledore in the first place. 
> ...
> 
> Neri
>

bboyminn:

Yes, I argued that points several times, it was the only
thing that really made sense. Snape as good as says that
in the latest books. He said that he was where Voldemort
had ordered him to be, which was Hogwarts. 

I also predicted that Ron would be Quidditch Keeper and
that Harry would be Captain, though the rest of that
prediction didn't quite work out. I though Harry would
start out as Captain, but they would have conflicts 
about how to run the team, and eventually Harry would
let Ron take over. Can't get them all right.

As to my greatest anti-prediction, when we were predicting
who would die in OotP, I came to the brilliant conclusion
that it would be anyone EXCEPT Sirius Black. I contended
that Harry needed Sirius too much to lose him at this 
stage of the game. ...surprise ...suprise.

In making that prediction, I, in a sense, ignore what I
had said only a week before. I made the comment that the
person who would die would be the person who moves from
the silent background into the forefront of the story,
and that certainly fits Sirius. The very fact that I
thought Harry needed Sirius too much should have been
my first clue that he was MOST likely to die. 

Note that in the current books, it was Dumbledore that
moved to the forefront of the story, and as a result 
died. Keep that in mind as you read the next/final book.
The character that suddenly steps more promenently into 
the forefront of Harry's life is the person most likely 
to die. I predict, based on that theory, Neville, Luna, 
or (I really hope NOT) Ginny. Though, I'm not discounting
Snape or Draco, and I'm keeping an eye on Remus, the last
of the Marauders. Of course, given Harry's current position
on Ginny, she might actually fade slightly from the bulk 
of the story, only arriving at the very end, and that might
save her.


Steve/bboyminn





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 17 23:57:10 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:57:10 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <eji0gu+rndh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejli8m+4vg7@eGroups.com>

Neri:
>...what is the most inspired, brilliant and exact HP prediction you
> have ever encountered?
 
> Note: if possible, I'd like to see some substantiated proof: a post
> in HPfGU or another public forum with a date earlier than the 
> publication of the canon in question. 

I think it was Lyn Mangiameli (sp.) who predicted the soul outside 
the body?  Don't know if he's still around.

OK, here's my candidate for the best prediction I ever read 
(Cindysphinx):

"So what is JKR to do with all *that*? Well, she has to *weaken*
Dumbledore before she can credibly kill him, doesn't she? She has
to show him becoming weary, worn down, weak. That way, when someone
pushes Dumbledore off of a rickety catwalk into a river of lava, the
reader will *believe it* and won't cry out, 'But wait! Dumbledore
is too *powerful* for that to work!'

"Yeah, Dumbledore is fading all right, but he won't fade straight to
the grave. He's going to get a push from someone ? hopefully from a
close and trusted friend." The Captain leans forward, her nose
inches from George's trembling lips. "Bang!" she whispers.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/39610
*************************************************************

Now, I never predict *anything* with accuracy (pouts), so here's 
probably my one and only, in answer to someone's question about why 
Dumbledore told Harry the prophecy if he hadn't learned Occlumency:

"I read this part to mean Dumbledore feels Harry is safe from
Voldemort's intrusions now. Perhaps he supects LV will no longer try
to invade Harry's mind again after discovering Harry is 'full of the
force he detests'. DD did say that in the end 'it mattered not that
you could not close your mind' which could very well spell the end
of Occlumency. (all quotes US, chap. 37, p. 844)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/130850


Jen, who is banking on a better success rate in Book 7 since she 
predicted Snape would die in Book 6 (wishful thinking most likely).
 







From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Nov 18 00:11:52 2006
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:11:52 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejl6uk+gu7u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejlj48+kq2m@eGroups.com>

 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I can't remember who either, but someone in the main 
> group did predict that Voldemort was hiding his soul 
> outside his body. Of course, I quickly shot that down as
> being totally illogical and unlikely ...surprise
> ...suprise.
> 
> I've invited that person to come forward and toot their
> own horn several times, but I'm still not sure who it was.
> None the less, it was probably one of the most brilliantly
> insightful predictions ever made.
> 

Pippin:
I don't know if this is the post you're thinking of

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/121546

from January of 2005.


Pippin





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 00:50:38 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:50:38 -0500
Subject: Stills & 10 seconds of the Trailer
Message-ID: <1163811041.1F1C3888@dh11.dngr.org>

WB sent out/posted stuff from OotP today.
FictionAlley has  a bunch of stills in small & high res at 
http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119630 
and we have a set of links to the trailer at both 
http://fiction_alley.livejournal.com and in the OotP discussion forum at 
http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=230

Enjoy!

Heidi



From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 18 02:26:32 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 02:26:32 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejlj48+kq2m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejlr0o+f6s8@eGroups.com>

Summary of current nominees for the best HP prediction yet: 

>
> Melanie said: <snip>
>   This was pretty dang close I mean not exact...but close I pegged
Lupin and Tonks in some fashion.  :)  I was pretty happy with that.
>    
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/133690

Neri:
Not bad at all, Melanie. And as a Lupin fan I was happy about it too ;-)


Constance Vigilance wrote:
> 
> I nominate Catlady's prediction of a legal body which she called the
> Witchengamot. That's pretty darn close to the Wizengamot that turned up.
> 

Neri:
I think this is a case where the prediction is actually even better
than the canon. CV, do you know where did Catlady made this
prediction? I ran a search in Yahoomort for "Witchengamot" and didn't
get any results.


Caius Marcius wrote:
> This brilliant post by Eloise, dated Nov. 23 2002, predicts the 
> following:
> 
>  I want to suggest that Dumbledore is sending Snape back to
> Voldemort precisely to prepare the way for his own sacrifice. It 
> seems that Dumbledore has been unable to tell Harry about his destiny 
> up to now. I suggest that he is grooming him for a role that he will 
> be able to take up only when Dumbledore is no longer there, that 
> Dumbledore knows that he must pass his mantle as the greatest living 
> wizard on to Harry. As Fawkes has to die before he can rise again, so 
> Dumbledore has to die before Harry can assume his mantle and defeat 
> Voldemort. Snape, then, has to regain Voldemort's trust and set in 
> motion the train of events that will lead to the 'betrayal' of 
> perhaps the one person who has ever shown him true friendship. No 
> wonder Snape's pale and Dumbledore's apprehensive.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/47044


Neri:
CMC, first thank you for introducing me to a great TBAY thread I
didn't know before. I was reading and LOLing for the last hour.

Eloise's post is indeed an amazing prediction (and from two books
away!) of a current *theory*. I must point out, however, that it's not
canon *yet* that Dumbledore arranged for Snape to kill him in order
for Snape to regain Voldemort's trust, even if the Snape fans very
much want it to happen <g>. If this proves true in Book 7 I'd have to
say that Eloise's post is indeed the most amazing HP prediction I ever
saw. In the meantime, what can it already claim? Dumbledore indeed
died and Snape indeed was part of a "train of events" that led to it.
>From two books away, pretty impressive.


Jen Reese  wrote:
> OK, here's my candidate for the best prediction I ever read 
> (Cindysphinx):
> 
> "So what is JKR to do with all *that*? Well, she has to *weaken*
> Dumbledore before she can credibly kill him, doesn't she? She has
> to show him becoming weary, worn down, weak. That way, when someone
> pushes Dumbledore off of a rickety catwalk into a river of lava, the
> reader will *believe it* and won't cry out, 'But wait! Dumbledore
> is too *powerful* for that to work!'
> 
> "Yeah, Dumbledore is fading all right, but he won't fade straight to
> the grave. He's going to get a push from someone ? hopefully from a
> close and trusted friend." The Captain leans forward, her nose
> inches from George's trembling lips. "Bang!" she whispers.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/39610


Neri:
She was right about Dumbledore becoming weak, about someone trusted
pushing him, but she was wrong about the readers believing it <g>.

But she was dead right about the Bang



> Pippin:
> I don't know if this is the post you're thinking of
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/121546
> 
> from January of 2005.


Neri:
Thanks, Pippin. I checked this post by Peggy <pegruppel> and this was
the most prophetic part of it:

> If that soul is lodged in a token, as I suspect, Harry's quest then 
> becomes one to find the location of Voldemort's soul-token and free 
> the trapped soul.

Neri:
It indeed looks rather amazing when you read it like that. But if you
read the whole post, she writes that she predicts it mainly because
it's a common plot device in myth, not because she deduced it from
canon details, and she makes several other related predictions that
proved wrong (or at least didn't prove right yet).


> bboyminn:
> 
> Yes, I argued that points several times, it was the only
> thing that really made sense.


Neri:
It did, Steve, but not for the rest of us <g>. I can't remember anyone
else except you arguing this point at that time. Here, I found one of
your posts about it:

*******************************************************
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/86384

bboy_mn:
I firmly believe that Snape initially contacted Dumbledore back near
the end of the first Voldemort war, and offered to provide Dumbledore
with information. He did this with Voldemort's full knowledge.

Voldemort send Snape to Dumbledore with some sufficiently credible
information to gain Dumbledore's trust; thereby allowing Snape to
appear to be working for Dumbledore against Voldemort. But from
Voldemort's perspective Snape is actually a false spy and is actually
spying against Dumbledore for Voldemort.
*******************************************************

Now compare with Snape's canon words in Spinner's End:

*******************************************************
"You ask where I was when the Dark Lord fell. I was where he had
ordered me to be, at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry,
because he wished me to spy upon Albus Dumbledore. You know, I
presume, that it was on the Dark Lord's orders that I took up the post?"
*******************************************************

This was a dead accurate prediction made by rational deduction, in the
right context and for the right reasons, and there's nothing else in
that post that proved incorrect. So, this is currently my personal
nominee for the best prediction.


Neri






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Nov 18 03:57:28 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:57:28 -0000
Subject: Stills & 10 seconds of the Trailer
In-Reply-To: <1163811041.1F1C3888@dh11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <ejm0b8+29u1@eGroups.com>

 Heidi Tandy <heidi8 at ...> wrote:
>
> WB sent out/posted stuff from OotP today.
> FictionAlley has  a bunch of stills in small & high res at 


Potioncat:
Wow! Thanks!

I'm going to see "Happy Feet" tomorrow. (Don't tell my son, I'm really 
going for the HP trailer.)





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 18 04:39:46 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:39:46 -0000
Subject: Stills & 10 seconds of the Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ejm0b8+29u1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejm2qi+ab0m@eGroups.com>

 Heidi Tandy <heidi8@> wrote:
> >
> > WB sent out/posted stuff from OotP today.
> > FictionAlley has  a bunch of stills in small & high res at 
 
> Potioncat:
> Wow! Thanks!
> 
> I'm going to see "Happy Feet" tomorrow. (Don't tell my son, I'm 
> really going for the HP trailer.)


Jen: Me too, me too!  Going for the trailer.  My son rolled his eyes 
and said he's going for the *movie*--well really, who does that?  
And I won't spoil it for anyone who doesn't want to watch the 
trailer, but that scene with Harry & Snape looks promising, hope we 
get a little more in the trailer....

Thanks Heidi!

Giddy!Jen





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 18 17:02:54 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 09:02:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 10 second OoP Trailer:   SPOILER
Message-ID: <20061118170254.83277.qmail@web90413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I thought (what I believe to be) an Occulemency scene lacked the emotional clash between Snape and Harry that's evident in the books.
   
  Anyone else?
   
  Don't get me wrong, I'm still looking forward to watching it next summer after my second read of Book 7.
   
  Kemper

 
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Nov 18 18:11:34 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:11:34 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejkk9g+ssg7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejnicm+298f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance"
<constancevigilance at ...> wrote:
> 
> I nominate Catlady's prediction of a legal body which she called the
> Witchengamot. That's pretty darn close to the Wizengamot that turned up.

I blush in surprised delight, about my prediction being nominated.

I can't remember how I spelled Witchingemot so I advance-searched Main
List for posts by Catlady containing Witan (the part of Witangamot,
the Muggle Saxon Parliament, that I remember how to spell). The first
I found <(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/50645 >,
says "(I like the name Witchingmeet, as a pun on witangemot)". I
*think* that was a typo for "Witchingameet", as found in my
post-WIzengamot post
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/67992> but maybe
I was still evolving the name. *shrugs* Elsewhere I seem to have
spelled it WItchingamot.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Nov 18 18:14:39 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:14:39 -0000
Subject: Stills & 10 seconds of the Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ejm2qi+ab0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejniif+2b5t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at ...> wrote:

> Jen: Me too, me too!  Going for the trailer.  My son rolled his eyes 
> and said he's going for the *movie*--well really, who does that?  

By the way, how was the movie? The advertising poster lists a lot of
big names doing the voices.





From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Nov 19 00:07:04 2006
From: juli17 at aol.com (julie)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:07:04 -0000
Subject: 10 second OoP Trailer:   SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <20061118170254.83277.qmail@web90413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ejo778+pb80@eGroups.com>


>
> I thought (what I believe to be) an Occulemency scene lacked the 
emotional clash between Snape and Harry that's evident in the books.
>    
>   Anyone else?
>    
>   Don't get me wrong, I'm still looking forward to watching it next 
summer after my second read of Book 7.
>    
>   Kemper
> 

Julie:
I quite agree with you. Rickman's Snape seemed merely annoyed
rather than the bitter, menacing character Snape is in the books.
Dare I say Snape and Harry sounded almost like exasperated father
and petulant son in the brief snippet? (And I'm not trying to make 
any predictions here ;-)

Still, it was a very brief snippet, and it wasn't a line that I
even recall being in the book (Harry: I am not weak! Snape:
Then prove it!)? So I have some hope there will be a little 
more menace in Snape and actual acrimony visible between them
during the rest of the scene, especially once Harry peers into the 
pensieve.

Alas, Snape also looked really OLD in this scene (my apologies
to Rickman, but he has reached his sixties now I believe). Oh,
well, the books are the books and the movies are the movies.
Still, I'll always love Rickman's voice!

Julie, advising everyone that even without the OotP preview
"Happy Feet" is well worth the ticket price--even if you're 
not going to the matinee showing!





From miles at martinbraeutigam.de  Sun Nov 19 00:11:11 2006
From: miles at martinbraeutigam.de (Miles)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:11:11 +0100
Subject: Auror returns - Yahoo answers -  HP merchandise in Australia
References: <ejj4a2+mkvc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012f01c70b6f$3a9001a0$15b2a8c0@miles>

Tonks wrote:
> Hi Everyone:
> 
> "She's back!".   I have been hanging out at Yahoo answers. The place
> is full of trolls and I got tired of crawling over them all to
> answer the same questions time after time in the Religion and
> Spirituality section. So I am back where I belong!

Welcome back :)



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 06:05:38 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:05:38 -0000
Subject: HP merchandise in Australia
Message-ID: <ejos7i+3ilo@eGroups.com>

Good to be back and to see that the Messages button finally got fixed!

To anyone in Australia or New Zealand. What cool Harry Potter stuff do 
you have there that my friends can buy for me when they are there? 
(They are leaving here in a couple of days.) Something that we don't 
have here in the U.S. I know there must be something, but what?

Thanks.

Tonks_op
who is missing the spell check that they have for post at Yahoo 
Answers. Would be nice to have it here too.





From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 19 06:22:06 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:22:06 -0000
Subject: Messages link fixed
In-Reply-To: <ejos7i+3ilo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejot6e+6d1q@eGroups.com>

Thanks for pointing this out!! I'm so happy!
I have been sending them feedback every few days complaining about it.
*goes to play with the reactivated links*
woo hoo

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> Good to be back and to see that the Messages button finally got 
fixed!
> 






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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 19:18:27 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:18:27 -0000
Subject: 10 second OoP Trailer:   SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <ejo778+pb80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejqam3+77a6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "julie" <juli17 at ...> wrote:
> 
> Julie:
> 
> Still, it was a very brief snippet, and it wasn't a line that I
> even recall being in the book (Harry: I am not weak! Snape:
> Then prove it!)? So I have some hope there will be a little 
> more menace in Snape and actual acrimony visible between them
> during the rest of the scene, especially once Harry peers into the 
> pensieve.
> 


Actually, this is in the book (US hardback, page 536).  It's the
conversation where Rickman, I mean Snape (sorry!  :) ) talks about
fools wearing their hearts proudly on their sleeves.

I hope the screen writers don't take too much liberty with this
particular scene.  It has enough intensity, as written.


MJ - who saw "Stranger than Fiction" but got permission to first watch
the trailer for OotP before going into the movie she paid for. 






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 19 20:03:21 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:03:21 -0000
Subject: Stills & 10 seconds of the Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ejniif+2b5t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejqda9+979s@eGroups.com>

Catlady:
> By the way, how was the movie? The advertising poster lists a lot of
> big names doing the voices.

Jen: Happy Feet is good, definitely worth the price like Julie said.  
It's really a musical and the music is excellent, everything from funk 
to remixes of old rock classics to R&B...can't think of all the tunes 
at the moment, there were tons.  The story is good, maybe a little 
long.

The trailer was so fast! The 10 sec clip covered most of the speaking 
moments except for one of DD in front of the Wizengamot.  Scenes 
flipped by so fast I wasn't sure what they were, though there was a 
shot of Dolores (I think)  & Voldemort.  And one longer shot of 
Sirius.  

Can't wait to see it on the computer and pick up the rest.

Jen





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Nov 19 21:02:18 2006
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:02:18 EST
Subject: Was: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
Message-ID: <ca1.3738ce3.3292205a@aol.com>

Re: What is the greatest HP prediction ever? 
Posted by: "Steve"  bboyminn at yahoo.com 

>> Of course, given Harry's current  position on Ginny, she might actually 
fade slightly from the bulk of the story,  only arriving at the very end, and 
that might save her. <<
 
 
Which leads me to the most irritating thing at the end of HBP: Harry saying  
he has to go it alone and trying to cut himself off from others. This is the  
exact opposite of his speech to the DA in their first meeting: "I had help 
with  all that stuff.
 
Was anyone else annoyed with this? Or do we just accept this as the hubris  
that is Harry's (hopefully non-fatal) flaw?
 
---Mary
 
---Mary



From damselfly at mosquitonet.com  Fri Nov 17 21:28:36 2006
From: damselfly at mosquitonet.com (Christine)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:28:36 -0900
Subject: books to read?
References: <ejl6uk+gu7u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c70a8f$581d8840$d99670d1@COMPAQ>

Hi all,
I am new to this list, so I hope I don't ask something that was recently 
asked.

But..I have read the whole set of Harry Potter books twice and I can't seem 
to get interested in any other books!  I tried the Lord of the Rings series, 
couldn't get into them.  I read Aragon and tried to read Eldest, but I 
couldn't get interested in that.  I feel like just reading and rereading 
Harry Potter over and over.
What other books do you all read that will take the place?
thanks!
christine






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 19 21:29:08 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:29:08 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Was: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ca1.3738ce3.3292205a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1GluDx-000552-8Z@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Mary 
Which leads me to the most irritating thing at the end of HBP: Harry saying
he has to go it alone and trying to cut himself off from others. This is the
exact opposite of his speech to the DA in their first meeting: "I had help
with  all that stuff.
 
Was anyone else annoyed with this? Or do we just accept this as the hubris
that is Harry's (hopefully non-fatal) flaw?
 
 
Sherry:

But he isn't going it alone.  Ron and Hermione are going with him.  Whether
or not we think he should, it's the old hero's quest thing, and he has to go
it alone.  But no hero goes completely alone.  Harry will have his two best
friends, the two who would probably die for him, and who he trusts most of
all..  I'm sure he'll get help along the way from others, the young people
and the adult people.  But it will be the Trio, and in the end, probably
Harry alone with Voldemort.  

Sherry




From realbrad at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 01:53:17 2006
From: realbrad at yahoo.com (realbrad)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:53:17 -0000
Subject: Yes the free novels can still be downloaded
Message-ID: <ejoded+tp53@eGroups.com>

Ted wrote me about a posting I'd put up here a few weeks ago about the
author who is offering his novels free online for people to download,
and whether it was true or not.  Yes, they are still for free. I just
finished reading both of them and they were really awesome.  They are
at www.fredpetrovsky.com if the website is still live.  "Frank" is
about about brain transplant, and "Don't Be Cruel" is about a young
child with psychic powers.  Recommended.   :)

Brad




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Nov 19 22:15:57 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:15:57 -0000
Subject: 10 second OoP Trailer:   SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <ejo778+pb80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ejql2t+vcak@eGroups.com>


> Julie
> Alas, Snape also looked really OLD in this scene (my apologies
> to Rickman, but he has reached his sixties now I believe). Oh,
> well, the books are the books and the movies are the movies.
> Still, I'll always love Rickman's voice!

Potioncat:
I thought that in the last movie too. But Rickman doesn't look OLD in 
Snowcake. I noticed his skin in the last movie, and in this brief 
flash of a scene was milk white--and it hit me. The make-up 
department read the books. They're tying for canon!Snape. I like the 
PoA look better.

> 
> Julie, advising everyone that even without the OotP preview
> "Happy Feet" is well worth the ticket price--even if you're 
> not going to the matinee showing!

Potioncat:
I think I'm the one voice not so thrilled with "Happy Feet." It was a 
pleasant enough movie,but I was put off by several themes that were 
introduced but never really developed. The baby penguin started off 
with a Developement Delay, then almost seemed Autistic, then becomes 
simply different, though he never becomes fully mature. 

The music is great, the scenes from last year's penquin movie cropped 
up in this one, so I enjoyed those parts of the movie.







From swartell at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 19 22:13:23 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:13:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Was: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
Message-ID: <20061119221323.28032.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com>

Mary said...

Which leads me to the most irritating thing at the end of HBP: Harry saying  

he has to go it alone and trying to cut himself off from others. This is the  

exact opposite of his speech to the DA in their first meeting: "I had help 

with  all that stuff.

 

Was anyone else annoyed with this? Or do we just accept this as the hubris  

that is Harry's (hopefully non-fatal) flaw?

                 

Now me:
I took this as Harry's warped perspective - he's just been traumatized - again - by losing someone very important to him, and he's hurting and feeling guilty.  His first reaction it to protect those closest to him by pushing them away.  First Ginny, then Ron and Hermione.  Ron and Hermione talk back, and tell him he's being foolish.  Ginny did not argue, but I had the feeling that she wasn't intending to let him get away with it, either.  His logic was even more flawed with respect to distancing himself from her - IF Voldemort finds out they are close????  COME ON, Harry, get a brain... the entire school was talking about it (including Malfoy, I'm sure), and Snape was riding him about it indirectly during his detentions (or at least Harry thought that was the reason for his snide remarks about missing out on all the opportunities afforded by the good weather).  For anyone old enough to remember Simon and Garfunkel - " I am a rock, I am an island, and a rock feels no pain,
 and an island never cries." (1)

He did the same sort of thing in OotP when he was afraid that Voldemort was possessing him, and they finally put a stop to it when he didn't come to his senses on his own.

I don't think he can actually carry through on this resolve, but it's going to take a little time to get over it.  (and if you can't tell, I was annoyed with his pushing Ginny away.)

Sue,  in Columbus, waiting for the snow (hopefully, but not expectantly...)

(1)
Another bit of the lyrics from "I am a Rock":
 I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
Its laughter and its loving I disdain.


 



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From random832 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 16:33:55 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:33:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <ejnicm+298f@eGroups.com>
References: <ejkk9g+ssg7@eGroups.com> <ejnicm+298f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50611200833wa56e0cfg21770b690c73daf4@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/18/06, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) <catlady at wicca.net> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "constancevigilance"
> <constancevigilance at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I nominate Catlady's prediction of a legal body which she called the
> > Witchengamot. That's pretty darn close to the Wizengamot that turned up.
>
> I blush in surprised delight, about my prediction being nominated.
>
> I can't remember how I spelled Witchingemot so I advance-searched Main
> List for posts by Catlady containing Witan (the part of Witangamot,
> the Muggle Saxon Parliament, that I remember how to spell). The first
> I found <(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/50645 >,
> says "(I like the name Witchingmeet, as a pun on witangemot)". I
> *think* that was a typo for "Witchingameet", as found in my
> post-WIzengamot post
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/67992> but maybe
> I was still evolving the name. *shrugs* Elsewhere I seem to have
> spelled it WItchingamot.

Wasn't DD identified as "Chief Warlock, Wizengamot" in the hogwarts
letter in book 1?

>
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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 20 20:38:13 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:38:13 -0000
Subject: 53seconds Trailer of HP & The Order Of The Phoenix
Message-ID: <ejt3nl+10uf4@eGroups.com>

Hello, I thought you might be interested to watch again the teaser 
trailer of Harry Potter and the Order Of the Phoenix at the HappyFeet 
site, it's 53 second(58 if you include the title)long. Here's the link 
to happyfeet site; http://www2.warnerbros.com/happyfeet . 
Cheers.


maria8162001






From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Nov 20 21:08:00 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:08:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 53seconds Trailer of HP & The Order Of The Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <ejt3nl+10uf4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <051501c70ce7$fa5b61e0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

Thanks.... I was hoping to see one soon!
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Vaerewyck
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:38 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] 53seconds Trailer of HP & The Order Of The
Phoenix



Hello, I thought you might be interested to watch again the teaser 
trailer of Harry Potter and the Order Of the Phoenix at the HappyFeet 
site, it's 53 second(58 if you include the title)long. Here's the link 
to happyfeet site; http://www2. <http://www2.warnerbros.com/happyfeet>
warnerbros.com/happyfeet . 
Cheers.

maria8162001



 


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From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 20 23:20:44 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:20:44 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50611200833wa56e0cfg21770b690c73daf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ejtd8c+4626@eGroups.com>

Jordan Abel wrote:

> 
> Wasn't DD identified as "Chief Warlock, Wizengamot" in the hogwarts
> letter in book 1?
> 

Neri:
No. Dumbledore's list of honors from the Hogwarts letter reads:

Headmaster: Albus Dumbledore
(Order of Merlin, First Class, Grand Sorc., Chf. Warlock, Supreme
Mugwump, International Confed. of Wizards).

The Wizengamot is first mentioned by Lupin in OotP, Ch. 5, when he
says Dumbledore was demoted from Chief Warlock on the Wizengamot. 

Neri





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 21 15:56:56 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:56:56 -0000
Subject: What is the greatest HP prediction ever?
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50611200833wa56e0cfg21770b690c73daf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ejv7k8+97pt@eGroups.com>



> > constancevigilance wrote:
> > >
> > > I nominate Catlady's prediction of a legal body which she called
the
> > > Witchengamot. That's pretty darn close to the Wizengamot that
turned up.
> >
> > Catlady blushed:  I blush in surprised delight, about my prediction
being nominated.
> >
> > I can't remember how I spelled Witchingemot so I advance-searched
Main
> > List for posts by Catlady containing Witan (the part of Witangamot,
> > the Muggle Saxon Parliament, that I remember how to spell). The
first
> > I found <(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/50645
>,
> > says "(I like the name Witchingmeet, as a pun on witangemot)". I
> > *think* that was a typo for "Witchingameet", as found in my
> > post-WIzengamot post
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/67992> but
maybe
> > I was still evolving the name. *shrugs* Elsewhere I seem to have
> > spelled it WItchingamot.
>
> Jordon doubted:  Wasn't DD identified as "Chief Warlock, Wizengamot"
in the hogwarts
> letter in book 1?


Kemper assures:

The letter lists:

Headmsster: Albus DD (Order of Merlin, 1st class, Grand Sorcerer, Chief
Warlock, Supreme Mugwump, International Confederacy of Wizards)

So no witchen/wizengamot.  Only governmental distinctions and a boy's
clubs.

Equal magic for equal pay!



Kemper, who wonders where the spell check is on the






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 00:03:59 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:03:59 -0000
Subject: 53seconds Trailer of HP & The Order Of The Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <ejt3nl+10uf4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ek045f+ij4g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Maria Vaerewyck"
<maria8162001 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I thought you might be interested to watch again the teaser 
> trailer of Harry Potter and the Order Of the Phoenix at the HappyFeet 
> site, it's 53 second(58 if you include the title)long. Here's the link 
> to happyfeet site; http://www2.warnerbros.com/happyfeet . 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> maria8162001
>

You can see a high-resolution version at
 http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/harrypotterandtheorderofthephoenix_hd.html

Anyone have screen captures of Snape casting Legilimens yet?

Carol, happy that there seems to be a lot of Snape in the film this time!





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 11:54:52 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:54:52 -0000
Subject: Sneak Peek at HPOOTP,Better Than The Teaser Trailer
Message-ID: <ek1dqc+a8km@eGroups.com>

Hello guys, I thought you might love to watch this one a sneak peek at 
Harry Potter and The Order Of The Phoenix from HBO one demand. It's 
about 4 minutes long and you will really love this, you can iether go 
to http://www.mugglenet.com  then click the link or you can go to 
http://www.hpana.com/news.19673.html then play the video at the bottom 
of it. This is really great, more satisfying than the teaser.
Cheers

maria8162001





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 15:05:15 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:05:15 -0000
Subject: 53seconds Trailer of HP & The Order Of The Phoenix
In-Reply-To: <ek045f+ij4g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ek1ovb+bmlq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> You can see a high-resolution version at
>  
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/harrypotterandtheorderofthephoenix_hd
.html
> 
> Anyone have screen captures of Snape casting Legilimens yet?
> 
> Carol, happy that there seems to be a lot of Snape in the film 
this time!
>

maria8162001:

Hi Carol, in the sneak peek of HPOOTP at hbo you will see snape 4 
times and he have one scene that looks like he casting a legilimens 
spell to Harry. You will find the link of this sneak peek at 
mugglenet and hpana. Also Luna and Tonks(i guess) and main some of 
the main characters. Cheers.








From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Nov 22 16:26:14 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:26:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sneak Peek at HPOOTP,Better Than The Teaser Trailer
In-Reply-To: <ek1dqc+a8km@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02c401c70e52$f20a31d0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

Oh thanks for this.
 
I must admit, I really do like his hair longer.
 
Michelle 
 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Vaerewyck
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:55 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Sneak Peek at HPOOTP,Better Than The Teaser
Trailer



Hello guys, I thought you might love to watch this one a sneak peek at 
Harry Potter and The Order Of The Phoenix from HBO one demand. It's 
about 4 minutes long and you will really love this, you can iether go 
to http://www.mugglene <http://www.mugglenet.com> t.com then click the link
or you can go to 
http://www.hpana. <http://www.hpana.com/news.19673.html> com/news.19673.html
then play the video at the bottom 
of it. This is really great, more satisfying than the teaser.
Cheers

maria8162001



 


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 20:09:57 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:09:57 -0500
Subject: What HP fans thought when watching SPN last week
Message-ID: <1a2738400611221209v39638ff8qb6246ab9f0db3ed4@mail.gmail.com>

Last week, there was a scene where Dean and Sam Winchester were
talking about hellhounds.  While SPN fans catch a variety of pop
culture references in the series, some HP fans got a kick out of the
following SPN scene:

http://community.livejournal.com/supernatural_tv/665603.html

I did HP:POA screengrabs to accompany the dialogue spoken by the Winchesters.

Dina



From foodiedb at optonline.net  Thu Nov 23 03:43:02 2006
From: foodiedb at optonline.net (David)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:43:02 -0000
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <001001c70a8f$581d8840$d99670d1@COMPAQ>
Message-ID: <ek35c6+aomg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christine" <damselfly at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am new to this list, so I hope I don't ask something that was 
recently 
> asked.
> 
> But..I have read the whole set of Harry Potter books twice and I 
can't seem 
> to get interested in any other books!  I tried the Lord of the 
Rings series, 
> couldn't get into them.  I read Aragon and tried to read Eldest, 
but I 
> couldn't get interested in that.  I feel like just reading and 
rereading 
> Harry Potter over and over.
> What other books do you all read that will take the place?
> thanks!
> christine
>
David says:

Hi Christine, welcome!

Here are my suggestions:  
-The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife, and The Ambery Spyglass, 
which are all part of the second best (Harry Potter being the first 
of course) fantasy series, IMHO, that is.  They are written by 
Philip Pullman.  The series is referred to by some as the "His Dark 
Materials" trilogy.
- A Princess of Roumania, by Paul Park.  A great tale, and very well 
written.
- Last, but not least, is my latest favorite called Poison Study, by 
Maria Snyder.
- Oh, one more trilogy, The Amulet of Samarkand, The Golem's Eye, 
and Ptolemy's Gate, all from the The Bartimaeus Trilogy.  At first, 
these books sounded like a Potte rip-off, but they are not at all.  
The stories are original, funny, and the rules of this magical 
London are very interesting.

Hope that helped,
David





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 23 08:24:37 2006
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:24:37 -0000
Subject: Sneak Peek at HPOOTP,Better Than The Teaser Trailer
In-Reply-To: <02c401c70e52$f20a31d0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <ek3ls5+fbvs@eGroups.com>

> Hello guys, I thought you might love to watch this one a sneak 
peek at Harry Potter and The Order Of The Phoenix from HBO one 
demand. It's about 4 minutes long and you will really love this, you 
can iether go to http://www.mugglene <http://www.mugglenet.comt.com 
then click the link
> or you can go to 
> http://www.hpana. <http://www.hpana.com/news.19673.html> 
com/news.19673.html then play the video at the bottom 
> of it. This is really great, more satisfying than the teaser.
> Cheers
> 
> maria8162001


Dung:
Oh damn damn damn. After every potter film I swear I won't watch 
another. It takes months to get my mental canon back to normal, and 
my imagination on next reading of the book in question always 
suffers. And then they go and put out the trailers, and all my 
resolve dissolves. I'm so susceptible to advertising. It looks 
*cool*. 






From retired153 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 24 08:56:31 2006
From: retired153 at yahoo.com (j15300)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:56:31 -0000
Subject: books to read?  Some suggestions
In-Reply-To: <001001c70a8f$581d8840$d99670d1@COMPAQ>
Message-ID: <ek6c3v+9s88@eGroups.com>

Hi Christine, some real-life items that resonate with HP...briefly
sampling a few at the library/by interlibrary loan might be inspiring.
 (Placed some of the more interesting HP-like ones at the top of the
list.)

"Watch Your Dreams," Ann Ree Colton.  Has similar material, bite-sized
sections, about life in the astral and etheric.

"Entering the Circle" and "The Master of Lucid Dreams," Olga
Kharitidi; she describes her initiation into Siberian shamanism (which
she integrated into her psychiatric practice with great outcomes),
developing out-of-body apparatus, and learning an ancient dream
therapy in Samarkand.

"The Beautiful Story of a Master," Louise-Marie Frenette, and
"Autobiography of a Yogi," Paramahansa Yogananda, describe many
interesting adventures.

"The Soulless One," Mark L. Prophet.  Kindly depiction of alien
civilization trends.  "Above Black," Dan Sherman:  telepathic contact
with aliens.

"Hidden Camera," Zoran Zivkovic; fabulous fiction, a modern version of
"La Tres Sainte Trinosophie."

"The Great Divorce," C. S. Lewis; a gentle, insightful, well-written
novella about a visit to the next plane.

"Testimony of Light," Helen Greaves, and "Messages from Heaven,"
Patricia Kirmond.  Accounts of what occurs in magical planes.

And, interesting others:  "The Teachers of Gurdjieff," Rafael Lefort
("A real effort"); "Long Pilgrimage," John G. Bennett; "The Book of
Divine Magic," Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov; "Dancing with the Void,"
Sunyata; "The Magic Presence," Godfre Ray King; "The Education of
Little Tree," Forrest Carter; "The Neverending Story," Michael Ende;
"The World of Null-A," A. E. Van Vogt; "Projections of Consciousness,"
Waldo Vieira, M.D.; "The Miracle Man," Robert Pellegrino-Estrich; "In
the Company of ECK Masters," Phil Morimitsu; "A Dweller on Two
Planets," Phylos, the Tibetan; "Mary Baker Eddy:  Christian Healer,"
Yvonne von Fettweis; "Penetration," Ingo Swann; "To Live Within,"
Lizelle Reymond; "The Field," Lynne McTaggart; "The Reincarnation of
Edgar Cayce?", Free and Wilcock.

regards,

j.

 






--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christine" <damselfly at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am new to this list, so I hope I don't ask something that was
recently 
> asked.
> 
> But..I have read the whole set of Harry Potter books twice and I
can't seem 
> to get interested in any other books!  I tried the Lord of the Rings
series, 
> couldn't get into them.  I read Aragon and tried to read Eldest, but I 
> couldn't get interested in that.  I feel like just reading and
rereading 
> Harry Potter over and over.
> What other books do you all read that will take the place?
> thanks!
> christine
>






From Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com  Sat Nov 25 06:05:32 2006
From: Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com (Hockeygrrrl17 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:05:32 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] books to read?
Message-ID: <c88.3ce0866.3299372c@aol.com>

Try the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. The first is called  Wizards 
First Rule. I experienced that problem too , but eventually I was able  to 
get into other series. Lord of the Rings is really good , but very wordy. You  
might also try the Belgariad  ... it is a series of 5 books by David  Eddings , 
with the follow up series of 5 books called the  Malloreon


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Nov 25 07:39:53 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 02:39:53 -0500
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
Message-ID: <1a2738400611242339w18aeb669p7fc11aed4ab77077@mail.gmail.com>

I went into the pet store and saw this *beautiful* white-faced
cockatiel.  She was almost all white, except for her back with
cinnamon feathers to create a 'pearl' spotted pattern.  However, she
was too busy ripping up the newspaper in her cage and kept her back to
me.  Then I noticed this normal grey cockatiel and I said 'hi' to him
and he scooted to the front of his cage and got all excited like 'buy
me, buy me'.  Awww.

Jeez, to fit the human stereotype, gah, I still really, *really*
wanted the girl bird because she was so pretty but I'm torn by how
friendly the boy bird seemed.  Gah, the girl bird costs $130 and the
boy bird costs $86--not including FL sales tax of 7%. :-\  I'm also
torn by the price of one bird but I would so love to get both... but I
just spent over $300+ for an eye doctor visit and new lenses (no
vision insurance) to find out I'm near-sighted in one eye and have
astigmatism (translates to myopia again) in the other eye.  All this
time I thought both eyes were just near-sighted with one being worse
than the other.  It's been over five years since I last visited an eye
doctor and got these glasses, so I saved up for new lenses.

The eye doctor had to do some tests to balance out my prescription.
He was my third eye doctor; my first didn't do so hot and why I kept
getting headaches--it was explained because one eye was working harder
to compensate for the other.  Dude, if I can see and not get
headaches, that'll work for me.  As one of those 'da-amn' moments,
without glasses, the first letter of E on the eye charts was uber
blurry and I couldn't see the rest of the chart.

For a gal with bad eyesight, it's amazing how much appearances still
count for me.  Thus, back to the dilemma of I really would like a
second cockatiel, but I should be glad I already have one, even if she
doesn't like people to touch her... Sometimes, it's too cute to get
her pissy. ;-)  Try to gently pet her head and she squacks like I'm
killing her. {chuckle}  She likes attention but no petting.

Dina



From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 25 07:49:57 2006
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (David Hardenbrook)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:49:57 -0000
Subject: Love Song for Ron and Hermione??
Message-ID: <ek8sj5+63lh@eGroups.com>

There's a song that I've heard in the supermarket muzak several times 
now.  It's a romantic-sounding mid-tempo number, and when I hear it, I 
always imagine Ron and Hermione dancing to it.  (Which is why I'm 
posting this request on this forum.)  The thing is, I can't identify 
the song in order to find a recording.  It sounds like the refrain 
is, "It's sweet love, it's sweet."  But a Google search turns up only a 
about a "googol" (pun intended) songs that contain those words, none of 
which I can find is right.

Can anyone assist me in indentifying this potential (to my mind) "love 
song for Ron and Hermione"?  The clues I have:

-- Song is mid-tempo, possibly a ballad
-- Lead singer sounds like a female soprano
-- Music style sounds 70's/ABBA-esque, though this is a guess on my part
-- Refrain at least *sounds* like, "It's sweet love, it's swee-eet."

Can anyone help?  If I have to, I'll post an Mp3 of myself humming the 
melody... 

Dave




From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 25 12:35:04 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:35:04 -0000
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611242339w18aeb669p7fc11aed4ab77077@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ek9d9o+m805@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" 
<bunniqula at ...> wrote:
>
> I went into the pet store and saw this *beautiful* white-faced
> cockatiel.  She was almost all white, except for her back with
> cinnamon feathers to create a 'pearl' spotted pattern.  However, 
she
> was too busy ripping up the newspaper in her cage and kept her 
back to
> me.  Then I noticed this normal grey cockatiel and I said 'hi' to 
him
> and he scooted to the front of his cage and got all excited 
like 'buy
> me, buy me'.  Awww.
> 
> Jeez, to fit the human stereotype, gah, I still really, *really*
> wanted the girl bird because she was so pretty but I'm torn by how
> friendly the boy bird seemed.  Gah, the girl bird costs $130 and 
the
> boy bird costs $86--not including FL sales tax of 7%. :-\  I'm also
> torn by the price of one bird but I would so love to get both... 
but I
> just spent over $300+ for an eye doctor visit and new lenses (no
> vision insurance) to find out I'm near-sighted in one eye and have
> astigmatism (translates to myopia again) in the other eye.  All 
this
> time I thought both eyes were just near-sighted with one being 
worse
> than the other.  It's been over five years since I last visited an 
eye
> doctor and got these glasses, so I saved up for new lenses.
> 
> The eye doctor had to do some tests to balance out my prescription.
> He was my third eye doctor; my first didn't do so hot and why I 
kept
> getting headaches--it was explained because one eye was working 
harder
> to compensate for the other.  Dude, if I can see and not get
> headaches, that'll work for me.  As one of those 'da-amn' moments,
> without glasses, the first letter of E on the eye charts was uber
> blurry and I couldn't see the rest of the chart.
> 
> For a gal with bad eyesight, it's amazing how much appearances 
still
> count for me.  Thus, back to the dilemma of I really would like a
> second cockatiel, but I should be glad I already have one, even if 
she
> doesn't like people to touch her... Sometimes, it's too cute to get
> her pissy. ;-)  Try to gently pet her head and she squacks like I'm
> killing her. {chuckle}  She likes attention but no petting.
> 
> Dina
>
maria8162001:

Boy oh boy, you should have gone for the friendly one. I always goes 
for personality before beauty both humans and animals. I get more 
fun with people or animals with good personality. I hate beauty with 
nasty characters. You'll get a lot of comfort,friendship and 
companionship with good personality both with humans and animals.




From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 25 15:32:21 2006
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:32:21 -0000
Subject: Love Song for Ron and Hermione??
In-Reply-To: <ek8sj5+63lh@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "David Hardenbrook" 
<DaveH47 at ...> wrote:
>
> There's a song that I've heard in the supermarket muzak several 
times 
> now.  It's a romantic-sounding mid-tempo number, and when I hear 
it, I 
> always imagine Ron and Hermione dancing to it.  (Which is why I'm 
> posting this request on this forum.)  The thing is, I can't 
identify 
> the song in order to find a recording.  It sounds like the refrain 
> is, "It's sweet love, it's sweet."  But a Google search turns up 
only a 
> about a "googol" (pun intended) songs that contain those words, 
none of 
> which I can find is right.
> 
> Can anyone assist me in indentifying this potential (to my 
mind) "love 
> song for Ron and Hermione"?  The clues I have:
> 
> -- Song is mid-tempo, possibly a ballad
> -- Lead singer sounds like a female soprano
> -- Music style sounds 70's/ABBA-esque, though this is a guess on my 
part
> -- Refrain at least *sounds* like, "It's sweet love, it's swee-eet."
> 
> Can anyone help?  If I have to, I'll post an Mp3 of myself humming 
the 
> melody... 
> 
> Dave
>
Hi Dave,
Could it be the song "Sweet Love"  by Anita Baker?  I have Napster 
and found what seems to fit your description.  Actually, as I read 
your post I began hearing that song in my head.  "Love, sweet love. 
Hear me calling out your name...."  Something like that.  It was on 
the R&B section of Napster and I searched the title "Sweet Love".  
Hope that helps!
Cyndi





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Nov 25 15:59:10 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:59:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
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On 11/25/06, Maria Vaerewyck <maria8162001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Boy oh boy, you should have gone for the friendly one. I always goes
> for personality before beauty both humans and animals. I get more
> fun with people or animals with good personality. I hate beauty with
> nasty characters. You'll get a lot of comfort,friendship and
> companionship with good personality both with humans and animals.

The girl cockatiel I already have was bought directly from a breeder
at a birdshow.  I bought her because she was the most talkative (just
general bird jibber at the time) out of the bunch, and sure enough,
she learned to speak words... whenever she feels like reminding me she
can say words once in awhile. ;-)

However, what happened the day I bought her was the breeder flipped
her upside down and the bird choked back up water she had recently
swallowed. :-\  While I did want to inspect the bird's underside to
see if she was recently sick or any other digestive problem--thus, her
light grey feathers would've been stained--I wasn't expecting the
breeder to completely flip her upside down (she could've been held
upright to where I could see her underside area).  Accidental way to
scare a young bird before I buy her, I know, because the breeder is
registered with the American Cockatiel Society and all the birds she
presented looked fine... but jeez, it's no wonder this bird doesn't
like people touching her.

I still haven't decided on the two cockatiels from the pet store.
*If* I'm going to spend the extra money, I'd probably like to see how
both react to a pet store employee handling them  and ask further
questions.

Dina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Sat Nov 25 19:00:14 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:00:14 -0000
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <c88.3ce0866.3299372c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <eka3ru+4ilh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Hockeygrrrl17 at ... wrote:
>
> Try the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. The first is 
called  Wizards 
> First Rule. 

I'd also suggest Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, Susanna Clark's 
wonderful alternate-history novel of rival magicians in the Napoleanic 
era. Here's the author's website:

http://www.jonathanstrange.com/

    - CMC




From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Sat Nov 25 20:59:26 2006
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:59:26 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: books to read?
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CMC:
> I'd also suggest Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, Susanna Clark's
> wonderful alternate-history novel of rival magicians in the Napoleanic
> era. Here's the author's website:

Oooh, I second that recommendation.  Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell is 
an amazing book -- whilst reading it you have to keep reminding 
yourself that it is, in fact, not *actual* history!

Recently, I have read Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series, which I enjoyed 
a lot, although they aren't really my style (not enough 
characterization, especially in the first couple books).  Her prose is 
absolutely beautiful, though, and I highly recommend her to anyone who 
is interested in fantasy novels.

Laura (who is supposed to be writing an essay on crown-magnate 
relations in late medieval Scotland right now.  *sigh*)




From jeopardy18 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 26 03:49:22 2006
From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 03:49:22 -0000
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <001001c70a8f$581d8840$d99670d1@COMPAQ>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christine" <damselfly at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am new to this list, so I hope I don't ask something that was 
recently 
> asked.
> 
> But..I have read the whole set of Harry Potter books twice and I 
can't seem 
> to get interested in any other books!  I tried the Lord of the 
Rings series, 
> couldn't get into them.  I read Aragon and tried to read Eldest, 
but I 
> couldn't get interested in that.  I feel like just reading and 
rereading 
> Harry Potter over and over.
> What other books do you all read that will take the place?
> thanks!
> christine
>


The Lemony Snicket books are very good and if you want to read some 
good non fiction then try Noam Chomsky. 




From swartell at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 26 04:58:09 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: books to read?
Message-ID: <20061126045809.12585.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com>











  


    
            --- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com, "Christine" <damselfly at . ..> 

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> <snip>

> What other books do you all read that will take the place?

> thanks!

> christine

>




Try Lois McMaster Bujold.  She has 3 series out, each very different from the others, although in some cases, calling them series is misleading.  All share a great sense of humor (even in the most unlikely of circumstances), nice use of language, and interesting ideas, with interesting characters.



The earliest set is the Vorkosigan saga.  It centers around Cordelia Naismith and Aral Vorkosigan in the first 2 books, then on Miles Vorkosigan for most of  the rest.  These are space opera/science fiction, rather than fantasy, but they are character driven, and much more varied than the genre might suggest.  She once described her technique for plotting these as "What's the worst thing that can happen to these characters?".  The series basically follows Miles as he grows up from 18 to just over 30.



The second series is fantasy, set in an alternate history where religion (all 5 gods worth) is very real, and the gods take an active, if indirect, part in the story.   The Curse of Chalion is the first book, Paladin of Souls is the second, and The Hallowed Hunt is third. The 3rd one is only loosely linked to the first 2.  



The third series just started in October, with The Sharing Knife: Beguilement.  This is volume one of a duology; the second volume The Sharing Knife: Legacy, is due out about the middle of next year, with another loosely linked duology out in the following 2 years.  This is fantasy set in North America, or some place very like it.



Caroline Stevermer and Patricia Wrede have a series of 3 books out about an alternate universe England where magic is real.  Sorcery and Cecelia is the first of the series, The Grand Tour is the second, and The Mislaid Magician is the most recent. These are fun reads, fairly short.




Patricia Wrede also has a series called The Enchanted Forest Chronicles which are great fun.  Think dragons and princesses, but neither of them conforming to stereotype.   Dealing with Dragons / Searching for Dragons / Calling on Dragons / Talking to Dragons are some of them.(can't get Yahoo to drop the link coloring, though there is no link there.)  Her other books are also good.


It's a varied selection - hopefully you might enjoy one or more of them.

Sue, in Columbus, pushing books














 
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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 26 13:44:02 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:44:02 -0000
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611250759j2e134023m62be3637a2856f15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ekc5n2+mc1c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at ...> 
wrote:
> 
> I still haven't decided on the two cockatiels from the pet store.
> *If* I'm going to spend the extra money, I'd probably like to see how
> both react to a pet store employee handling them  and ask further
> questions.
> 
> Dina
>

Maria8162001:

:-) That is really a nasty way to make any young animals get scared 
and not trust anyone to touch them again. But for what it's worth any 
friendly animals that are eager to have a new owner or eager to be 
with you the moment they see, means are more likely to listen to you 
and learn fast and would bond with you directly, be loyal to you and 
your family. It's not only you giving love to them but they would 
surely give their love to you easily. 
Just base on my experience with our past pets. cheers.




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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Nov 26 23:57:59 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:57:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
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Message-ID: <000701c711b6$b3a42e70$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Just remember...Crookshanks wasn't adorable and pretty, but proved useful
and, fortunately, friendly to "the good guys." :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 02:16:47 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:16:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
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On 11/26/06, Maria Vaerewyck <maria8162001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> and not trust anyone to touch them again. But for what it's worth any
> friendly animals that are eager to have a new owner or eager to be
> with you the moment they see, means are more likely to listen to you

I dunno about listening to me. {g}

I ended up buying both today and paying for them on a credit card.
Thankfully, it's a new credit card with one of those no interest
introductory periods and I'm... bad thing to do but... relying on my
Christmas bonus to then pay off the card.  I really should've picked
up only one since both ended up costing over $250 (extra dishes, food,
toys, etc had added to the costs) but I couldn't decide on one bird.
A pet store employee was helpful in getting both birds out for me to
inspect.

Wooboy, the not-as-pretty male (I'm guessing he may grow out of the
'dirty face' stage since he's young - his face has gray feathers
mottled between yellow versus a more smooth yellow face), which he's
now named Lucky, was an exercise for both me and the employee to catch
when he escaped and then when I got home... oh man, I'm tired because
I let him play on the floor and then I couldn't catch him as he zoomed
under and around furniture. {g}  Such a high energy little fellow, and
when he sat on my shoulder, he still didn't stop trying to find
mischief by then pulling hair out of my hair claw.

The pretty female, which is now named Sammy, was definitely not as
active and easier to catch.  She sat peacefully on my shoulder.
Unfortunately, since Lucky is very forward, he kinda scares Sammy and
I watched him trying to grab her crown feathers, so I had to split
them into two separate cages, which are now next to each other, and
only let them together when I'm watching.  Means I'll have to make
*another* trip to the pet store to equip *two* cages versus both birds
sharing the one large.  Fortunately, I had one more spare cage in
storage or it would've been another $50-70 for a cage.

My first cockatiel, Pretty (no, I didn't name her {g} - my mom named
her because I went with her, my brother, and my sister-in-law to the
birdshow and I couldn't think of a name and was like 'okay'), also
tried to pull Sammy's crown feathers and Pretty *definitely* doesn't
like Lucky because Pretty is territorial and Lucky doesn't care... as
evident by Lucky stepping on Pretty's tail feathers. {chuckle}

So, three cockatiels, three cages, unplanned extra costs, and
worrying... but I am still glad I bought both because they bring in a
different mixture.  As to how Sammy didn't end up with an adjective
for a name, I wanted at least one cockatiel named after a Winchester
brother from WB/CW's Supernatural.

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 05:53:03 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:53:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611261816x3ef1ce3fl897f6bf190d3e05a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400611250759j2e134023m62be3637a2856f15@mail.gmail.com>
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On 11/26/06, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:

> I watched him trying to grab her crown feathers, so I had to split

> tried to pull Sammy's crown feathers and Pretty *definitely* doesn't

Late night realization... All the cockatiels love chewing/yanking on
these *white* elastic strings (often found holding a pair of shoes
together prior to purchase) that plastic and foamy toys were strung up
on (Pretty loves creating knots and then untying them)... and Sammy
has thin *white* crown feathers.  Pretty and Lucky have grey crown
feathers. *facepalm*  No wonder they both tried pulling Sammy's crown
feathers.  Well, shoot, I inadvertently may have screwed myself on
that.

Dina



From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 12:02:11 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:02:11 -0000
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <000701c711b6$b3a42e70$66a4a8c0@rosie>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> Just remember...Crookshanks wasn't adorable and pretty, but proved 
useful
> and, fortunately, friendly to "the good guys." :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
> 

maria8162001:

Yes, but crookshanks is exceptional, I don't know if JKR has debunk 
this idea already, or if there are others out there that think that 
perhaps crookshanks is Regulus or any other wizard? Cheers.





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 12:41:56 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:41:56 -0000
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611261816x3ef1ce3fl897f6bf190d3e05a@mail.gmail.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" 
<bunniqula at ...> wrote:

> I dunno about listening to me. {g}
> 
> I ended up buying both today and paying for them on a credit card.
> Thankfully, it's a new credit card with one of those no interest
> introductory periods and I'm... bad thing to do but... relying on 
my
> Christmas bonus to then pay off the card.  I really should've 
picked
> up only one since both ended up costing over $250 (extra dishes, 
food,
> toys, etc had added to the costs) but I couldn't decide on one 
bird.
> A pet store employee was helpful in getting both birds out for me 
to
> inspect.
> 
> Wooboy, the not-as-pretty male (I'm guessing he may grow out of the
> 'dirty face' stage since he's young - his face has gray feathers
> mottled between yellow versus a more smooth yellow face), which 
he's
> now named Lucky, was an exercise for both me and the employee to 
catch
> when he escaped and then when I got home... oh man, I'm tired 
because
> I let him play on the floor and then I couldn't catch him as he 
zoomed
> under and around furniture. {g}  Such a high energy little fellow, 
and
> when he sat on my shoulder, he still didn't stop trying to find
> mischief by then pulling hair out of my hair claw.
> 
> The pretty female, which is now named Sammy, was definitely not as
> active and easier to catch.  She sat peacefully on my shoulder.
> Unfortunately, since Lucky is very forward, he kinda scares Sammy 
and
> I watched him trying to grab her crown feathers, so I had to split
> them into two separate cages, which are now next to each other, and
> only let them together when I'm watching.  Means I'll have to make
> *another* trip to the pet store to equip *two* cages versus both 
birds
> sharing the one large.  Fortunately, I had one more spare cage in
> storage or it would've been another $50-70 for a cage.
> 
> My first cockatiel, Pretty (no, I didn't name her {g} - my mom 
named
> her because I went with her, my brother, and my sister-in-law to 
the
> birdshow and I couldn't think of a name and was like 'okay'), also
> tried to pull Sammy's crown feathers and Pretty *definitely* 
doesn't
> like Lucky because Pretty is territorial and Lucky doesn't care... 
as
> evident by Lucky stepping on Pretty's tail feathers. {chuckle}
> 
> So, three cockatiels, three cages, unplanned extra costs, and
> worrying... but I am still glad I bought both because they bring 
in a
> different mixture.  As to how Sammy didn't end up with an adjective
> for a name, I wanted at least one cockatiel named after a 
Winchester
> brother from WB/CW's Supernatural.
> 
> Dina

maria8162001:

Boy oh boy, you really can't resist to have both bird,lol, but since 
you love to have them both, then maybe it's worth it.
How young is Lucky, is he younger than Sammy? Male birds or animals 
ay more energetic than the female and depends on their age too. You 
have to think Lucky as a boy toddler who have a lot of energy and 
wants to explore and try and dare everything and everybody. But 
since he's consuming more you energy when he's out of his cage, 
maybe you have to keep on talking to him first before you let him 
out again. Talk to him while he's inside his cage while giving him 
food that you can hold while he's pecking on it and talk to him as 
well while you are holding him. when you are holding him look at his 
eyes when you are talking to him. Talk to him the way you talk to a 
child telling him what he can do and cannot do to you or to your 
other pets as well as to your stuffs. Sooner or later he would 
behave, every animals does when you talk to them. Lucky reminds me 
of our male puppy, Spot,  when I was in high school, so playful and 
full of energy. He would pull and bite our other dogs and cat's 
tail, and our chickens and turkeys feathers while they are resting 
and won't stop till one of our pets would chased him but he loves 
tease our birds the best, maybe because they are mor smaller than 
him. When my late grandfather can't take his mischiefs no longer he 
put Spot in a cage and talked to him for 3 days telling him as well 
that if he doesn't behave, he will stay in that small cage forever. 
The 4th day he let Spot out of the cage but remind him of their 
talks telling him to behave properly this time or he'll be caged 
again,this time forever. Well, Spot was like another puppy when he 
came out of the cage, well behave and so sweet to all our animals, 
and as he grows he's always the first one to come to the rescue of 
anyone from our households and animals whom he thinks are in 
trouble, which is so sweet and cute to see. Well, whenever we had a 
new pet or animals then, my late grandfather and late oldmaid aunt 
always talked to the new animals, that is why I know talking also 
works for animals and plants. My late old maid aunt always talked to 
her plants and flowers. Well, I hope this will help you with Lucky. 
Just some thoughts I want to share with you.
 I know some people find it difficult to talk animals and plants, 
but since you have a few pets, maybe you won't. Cheers.




From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 13:00:48 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:48 -0000
Subject: Beauty over personality? RE: choosing pets
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611262153j4b9aaa2jd8d55ce6019e9220@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ekeni0+kpes@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" 
<bunniqula at ...> wrote:
>
> On 11/26/06, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at ...> wrote:
> 
> > I watched him trying to grab her crown feathers, so I had to 
split
> 
> > tried to pull Sammy's crown feathers and Pretty *definitely* 
doesn't
> 
> Late night realization... All the cockatiels love chewing/yanking 
on
> these *white* elastic strings (often found holding a pair of shoes
> together prior to purchase) that plastic and foamy toys were 
strung up
> on (Pretty loves creating knots and then untying them)... and Sammy
> has thin *white* crown feathers.  Pretty and Lucky have grey crown
> feathers. *facepalm*  No wonder they both tried pulling Sammy's 
crown
> feathers.  Well, shoot, I inadvertently may have screwed myself on
> that.
> 
> Dina
>

maria8162001:

Lol, but at least you solved the mystery, Pretty and Lucky were not 
jealous or nasty or annoyed at all with Sammy, they just thought she 
have those lovely toys they love to pull, lol. I heard cockatiels 
love to play tug of war, maybe you can teach or show  them how to 
play tug of war with each other, like give one end to the other bird 
and the other and of the string to the other one? If it's a string 
you can make a string with 3 ends and let them all pull each ends, 
and see who's going to win, they all love to win.You can use string 
or thin wood or anything they can hold their beak on. And maybe by 
doing so, they would learn to live in one cage together and play 
together(though I guess it would difficult for Sammy because of her 
tempting crown,lol). Just a thought. Cheers.




From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Mon Nov 27 06:32:24 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:32:24 +0200
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <564d7c84b4ac223c4dd74f79ab58c36e@fandm.edu>
References: <eka3ru+4ilh@eGroups.com>
 <564d7c84b4ac223c4dd74f79ab58c36e@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <456AA2980200007800001998@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>


How about trying Raymond R Feist books?  My first fantasy books 
were the Ursula La guin trilogy and I was hooked.

Cairie 

>>> Laura Ingalls Huntley <lhuntley at fandm.edu> 2006-11-25 22:59 >>>
> Recently, I have read Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea series, which I 
enjoyed a lot, although they aren't really my style (not enough 
characterization, especially in the first couple books).  Her 
prose is absolutely beautiful, though, and I highly recommend 
her to anyone who is interested in fantasy novels. <<<






From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 22:25:01 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:25:01 -0000
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <20061126045809.12585.qmail@web53215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ekfojt+i7p3@eGroups.com>

Sue: 
> Try Lois McMaster Bujold.  She has 3 series out, each very 
different from the others, although in some cases, calling them 
series is misleading.  All share a great sense of humor (even in the 
most unlikely of circumstances), nice use of language, and 
interesting ideas, with interesting characters.

zgirnius:
I heartily second this recommendation. I love both the Vorkosigan 
saga and the fantasy series.

Sue:
> The third series just started in October, with The Sharing Knife: 
Beguilement.  This is volume one of a duology; the second volume The 
Sharing Knife: Legacy, is due out about the middle of next year, with 
another loosely linked duology out in the following 2 years.  This is 
fantasy set in North America, or some place very like it.

zgirnius:
Aaaarrrgh! No way I can get to Barnes and Noble until at least 
Wednesday. I had no idea!!

Thanks so much for mentioning this tidbit...






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 22:53:29 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:53:29 -0000
Subject: books to read?
In-Reply-To: <ekfojt+i7p3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekfq99+7umv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zgirnius" <zgirnius at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Sue: 
> > Try Lois McMaster Bujold.  She has 3 series out, each very 
> different from the others, although in some cases, calling them 
> series is misleading.  All share a great sense of humor (even in 
the 
> most unlikely of circumstances), nice use of language, and 
> interesting ideas, with interesting characters.
> 
> zgirnius:
> I heartily second this recommendation. I love both the Vorkosigan 
> saga and the fantasy series.
> 
> Sue:
> > The third series just started in October, with The Sharing Knife: 
> Beguilement.  This is volume one of a duology; the second volume 
The 
> Sharing Knife: Legacy, is due out about the middle of next year, 
with 
> another loosely linked duology out in the following 2 years.  This 
is 
> fantasy set in North America, or some place very like it.
> 
> zgirnius:
> Aaaarrrgh! No way I can get to Barnes and Noble until at least 
> Wednesday. I had no idea!!
> 
> Thanks so much for mentioning this tidbit...
>


Alla:

Oh, Zara - I think I should thank you for recommending Bujold books 
in the first place, so I fourth or fifth the recommendation - the 
books are great, characters are LOVELY - yes fantasy fiction can be 
characters driven, yes it can :)

And I had no idea that she had new book out either - I know where I 
am going tomorrow.




From colouringpurple at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 23:38:28 2006
From: colouringpurple at yahoo.com (colouringpurple)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:38:28 -0000
Subject: Barry Trotter and "His Dark Materials" at Bookcrossing
Message-ID: <ekfstk+q4kh@eGroups.com>




I got the book "Barry Trotter and the Unneccessary Sequel" from the 
Dublin California Bookcrossing meetup. Just prior to reading it, I read 
the first book of a fantasy trilogy "His Dark Materials" about the 
adventures of a little girl from a parallel universe. In this universe 
everyone has a magical companion animal. Well on page 12 of the parody, 
Barry meets the little girl and her "pet". "It's not a ferret, it's an 
expression of my inner self in animal form!" "Well, your inner self 
poos in my garden!" I used to think it would be impossible to make fun 
of "Dark Materiels" but not I'm not so sure! 




From buzzy_adam91 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 28 06:04:35 2006
From: buzzy_adam91 at yahoo.com (buzzy_adam91)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 06:04:35 -0000
Subject: Apparition; a need or just speciality
Message-ID: <ekgjhj+l7aa@eGroups.com>

Hello there. I hope you all are fine..

I just wanna ask to everybody about the apparition lessons in the 6th
book. In the book state that
'IF YOU ARE SEVENTEEN YEARS OF AGE, OR WILL TURN SEVENTEEN ON OR
BEFORE 31ST AUGUST,YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A TWELVE-WEEK COURSE OF
APPARATION LESSONSFROM A MINISTRY OF MAGIC APPARATION INTRUCTOR.
PLEASE SIGN BELOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE. COST: 12GALLEONS.
Harry and Ron joined the crowd that was jostling around the notice
taking it in turns to write their names......'
 It seems that everybody interested on it. But in the 5th book, all
visitors to the Quidditch World Cup arriving there by Portkey
transportation.. em, I found scatterbrains when I try to think about
this. Plus Amos Diggory prefer Portkey more than Apparition.. and
Harry also state that,
'..maybe it's better when you do it yourself, I didn't really enjoy
it much when Dumbledore took me along for the ride...'
Plus the Weasleys choose to go to the Diagon Alley by the Floo-Network.

I hope someone will give me the answer..
Thanks for now.

buzzy_adam91



From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 28 16:25:45 2006
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:25:45 -0000
Subject: Loath to ask, but desperate...
Message-ID: <ekhnu9+37j9@eGroups.com>

Dear all,

this is not my usual style at all, so I hope you'll forgive me for 
the spam.

Some of you are aware that I live in Abidjan, in French-speaking 
West Africa. C?te d'Ivoire is a developing country, though because 
of the four-year-old civil war, there's not a lot of development 
going on at the moment. 

Some colleagues of mine work in the Ta? National Park (the largest 
tract of protected rainforest left in West Africa) on chimpanzees. 
The majority of them are PhD students working on the behaviour of 
wild chimp groups, though they also do some marvellous sensitisation 
work with rural populations around the park. They use music, theatre 
and round-table discussions to explain the plight of the wild chimps 
in the park, and they try to find alternate sources of income for 
poachers involved in the illegal bushmeat trade. 

In January, they discovered that a baby chimpanzee was being kept as 
a pet in the town of Ta?. This is highly illegal and threatened to 
undo a lot of their work, since almost anybody who sees a baby 
chimpanzee wants one themselves as a pet, because they're 
*gorgeous*. I recently learned the way poachers manage to get the 
babies to follow them after killing their mothers, and it's not 
nice. The babies are too afraid to stray far from their mother's 
corpse, so the poachers hit them, hard, (occasionally hard enough to 
kill them accidentally) until they are so disorientated that they 
willingly climb onto the poacher's back, and ride away to a life in 
captivity. 

There are no chimpanzee sanctuaries in C?te d'Ivoire, so the only 
option was to send the rescued baby to the zoo in Abidjan. I had 
never been to the zoo before, having been traumatised by African 
zoos before. But when my colleagues turned up one night with 
baby "Fanta", I fell in love, and agreed to do anything I could to 
help.

The zoo is awful. I mean, *really* awful. The cages are old, bare, 
concrete cells; the bars are rusting away, and the animals injure 
themselves on the sharp edges. There is no money for veterinary 
care, there is barely enough money for the animals' food, the 
keepers' salaries are months overdue, the lions and elephant are 
skeletal, and the primates go mad in solitary confinement with no 
enrichment to keep them occupied. 

The *worst* thing is that the keepers and the staff are actually 
doing a great job, given the tiny amount of money they receive from 
the government. They are really motivated to change things, but 
simply do not have the money.

So, what with one thing and another, I am setting up an N.G.O. here 
in Abidjan, to try to raise money to improve the lives of Fanta and 
the other animals. I've started a blog
http://abidjanzoo.blogspot.com/
where you can keep up to date with what we're trying to do, and 
donate money via paypal.

I must mention that we are not *yet* a registered charity, (the 
process to be officially recognised as such in C?te d'Ivoire is 
lengthy and beaurocratic), though we are on our way. Nor can we use 
a bank account in C?te d'Ivoire to accept donations via paypal 
(because it's not on the list). The money therefore goes into the 
private account of one of the primatologists who did her PhD 
fieldwork here, and who is now working in the Max Planck Institute 
in Leipzig. 

We will, however, soon be posting a report on how much money we have 
raised so far (somewhere in the region of 1000 Euros - ?700 - 
$1400), with accounts on exactly how it is spent. And if my personal 
assurance is worth much, I can tell you that it is me who is 
overseeing the cash at this end, to make sure that nothing goes 
wrong. (It doesn't do us any good if our donors have no faith in us.)

We are really in desperate need of funds to repair an enclosure for 
Fanta and her new friend (a rescued juvenile male called Rambo - an 
article on them both is coming soon on the blog), and provide them 
with enrichment materials, toys, climbing frames, hammocks and 
everything we can to make their lives as happy as possible.

So please take a look at the blog, and if you can't spare a knut 
yourself, please please please pass on the URL to everyone in your 
address book. 

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and do feel free to 
contact me on or off-list with comments, queries, suggestions for 
ways of raising cash, demands for further assurances etc.

Cheers,
Dungrollin.




From bumbledor at comcast.net  Tue Nov 28 16:48:03 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:48:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apparition; a need or just speciality
References: <ekgjhj+l7aa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c7130c$fec86630$6401a8c0@bumbledor>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "buzzy_adam91" <buzzy_adam91 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:04 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apparition; a need or just speciality


> Hello there. I hope you all are fine..
>
> I just wanna ask to everybody about the apparition lessons in the 6th
> book. In the book state that
> 'IF YOU ARE SEVENTEEN YEARS OF AGE, OR WILL TURN SEVENTEEN ON OR
> BEFORE 31ST AUGUST,YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A TWELVE-WEEK COURSE OF
> APPARATION LESSONSFROM A MINISTRY OF MAGIC APPARATION INTRUCTOR.
> PLEASE SIGN BELOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE. COST: 12GALLEONS.
> Harry and Ron joined the crowd that was jostling around the notice
> taking it in turns to write their names......'
> It seems that everybody interested on it. But in the 5th book, all
> visitors to the Quidditch World Cup arriving there by Portkey
> transportation.. em, I found scatterbrains when I try to think about
> this. Plus Amos Diggory prefer Portkey more than Apparition.. and
> Harry also state that,
> '..maybe it's better when you do it yourself, I didn't really enjoy
> it much when Dumbledore took me along for the ride...'
> Plus the Weasleys choose to go to the Diagon Alley by the Floo-Network.
>
> I hope someone will give me the answer..
> Thanks for now.
>
> buzzy_adam91
>

Buzzy, go back to book 5 and read what Mrs. Weasly says about the elder 
brothers who would be apparating there later that morning.
And also read the warning about apparation Mr. Weasly gave. Something about 
being squeltched, or sqimmed or something like that - anyway its when you 
attempt to apperate and you leave parts of your body behind.
Some folks simply do not like it. "prefer brooms" is what Mr. Weasly said if 
I remember correctly.
 As to why all the kids were interested.. well, its kind of like driving a 
good sports car, isn't it? And the chance to drive one is your first driving 
lesson; so naturaly you are going to sign up and give it a go.




From legrinstl at charter.net  Tue Nov 28 17:09:44 2006
From: legrinstl at charter.net (Cindi)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:09:44 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
Message-ID: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>

Greetings:

Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?

Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?

What makes a good fanfic?

Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?


The reason I'm posing these questions is I'll be meeting with a 
reporter sometime this week regarding an article she is writing on 
fanfiction for our local newspaper (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)  I know 
what drew me to HP fanfic but was curious as to what others thought.

I'll answer my own questions first.

I started reading fanfic after GOF.  During that long wait, my then 
13 year old son introduced me to some the PG and PG-13 rated fics.  I 
found many were really well written (and many not) but was then 
hooked.

I continue to read fanfiction as I believe in many cases it is better 
written than JKR's books...expecially the last two.  There is a depth 
to fanfic you can't get in a single published book.  So in effect, 
JKR is operating at a disadvantage as her books are limited in length 
and time.

My favorites?  Barb's Psychic Serpent series, Arabella & 
Zensya "After the End", Wishweaver's "Realization", Bobmin's "Sunset 
Over Britain" and "Sunrise Over Britain", Lori's "Paradym of 
Uncertainty Trilogy".

Please share your opinion.

Thanks.

Eleanna




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Nov 28 17:03:27 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:03:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Apparition; a need or just speciality
In-Reply-To: <ekgjhj+l7aa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c7130f$1fb0b4e0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Apparition is like driving...you have to be a certain age to do it legally.
As far as the Weasleys preferring floo powder, well, that's only because
they are traveling with those under 17 and, no doubt, doing a Side-Along
Apparition with so many kids would be very tricky.

Need? Depends...just like having a car, is that a need?  It can be either a
need or luxury, depending on circumstance or situation.

Also, in GOF, there is plenty of apparating going on...Bill, Charlie and
Percy coming out of the forest after apparating; Ministry folk apparating,
Mr. Weasley apparating to and from work.

It's a fast and "normal" form of transportation, but, as I say, it, like a
car, requires legal age and a "license."

Now, question for the Brits out there: Are there government sponsored
driving courses?  If so, it would naturally follow that the MOM would have a
MOM-sanctioned course, true? :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Too lazy to gather all the apparition refs from the books!)




From wendydarling6402 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 28 17:27:04 2006
From: wendydarling6402 at yahoo.com (Wendy)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:27:04 -0000
Subject: A question about wizards
Message-ID: <ekhrh8+1l99@eGroups.com>

My 10 year old had a question for me that I can not answer. What is the
difference between a wizard and a warlock? I always kind of thought
that those two names were interchangable, but in the series it seems to
be a special title. So my question is is it just a title in the series
or is it a descriptor of more powers or what? My daughter will thank
you.

Wendy



From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 28 19:37:18 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:37:18 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eki35e+2l2e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cindi" <legrinstl at ...> wrote:
>
> Greetings:
> 
> Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?
> 
> Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?
> 
> What makes a good fanfic?
> 
> Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?
> 
> 
> The reason I'm posing these questions is I'll be meeting with a 
> reporter sometime this week regarding an article she is writing on 
> fanfiction for our local newspaper (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)  I 
know 
> what drew me to HP fanfic but was curious as to what others thought.
> 
> I'll answer my own questions first.
> 
> I started reading fanfic after GOF.  During that long wait, my then 
> 13 year old son introduced me to some the PG and PG-13 rated fics.  
I 
> found many were really well written (and many not) but was then 
> hooked.
> 
> I continue to read fanfiction as I believe in many cases it is 
better 
> written than JKR's books...expecially the last two.  There is a 
depth 
> to fanfic you can't get in a single published book.  So in effect, 
> JKR is operating at a disadvantage as her books are limited in 
length 
> and time.
> 
> My favorites?  Barb's Psychic Serpent series, Arabella & 
> Zensya "After the End", Wishweaver's "Realization", 
Bobmin's "Sunset 
> Over Britain" and "Sunrise Over Britain", Lori's "Paradym of 
> Uncertainty Trilogy".
> 
> Please share your opinion.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Eleanna
>


Alla:

Hmmm. I started reading also I think after GoF and also because of 
the long wait, hehe.

I continue reading even though I believe that at least 80% of 
fanfiction out there are really, really, really bad - horrible.

Examples are indeed provided on demand.

But there are some gems, to those you named I would add "Never alone 
never again" by Bored Beyond Belief, "Redemption", Jelsemium's 
stories ( all of them), stories by Ozma ( truly interesting POV by 
Filch - too bad she stopped doing it after OOP and so well written)

I love well done slash, so among other favorites of mine are "Slowly 
but Exceeding fine" by Elen Freemedon and some others.

So, there are stories that I enjoy. I read them not because I think 
they are better than the books ( I am truly baffled as to how *any* 
fanfiction can be considered better than the book, even if it is 
indeed well written, because JKR gave us those characters to begin 
with), but for more in depth studies of the characters, which 
fanfiction indeed can do better, because IMO they do not have to 
write about everything, they can do certain aspect of Potterverse and 
be done with it, while JKR has so many loose ends to tie.

I want to learn more about adult characters sometimes. JKR 
concentrates on kids more IMO and I do love Harry's character, but 
sometimes I want to see adults more developed too.

Oh, and after OOP I reluctantly started reading AU stories - for one 
very specific reason - I want to see Sirius alive :)

Alla




From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 28 23:03:38 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:03:38 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekif8a+3ajv@eGroups.com>

Cindi wrote:
> Greetings:
> 
> Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?

zgirnius:
I was curious, so I read some on another forum, and liked some of it 
a lot. I had never realized people wrote such things as fanfiction.
 
> Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?

zgirnius:
I don't read all that much, just occasionally, when I am in the mood. 
I am, on the other hand, hooked on writing the stuff. It is fun, I 
have always liked writing. But is seemed a pointless hobby without 
readers, which you generally can't get unless you get published. 
Writing for publication is a profession, and I already have one.

> What makes a good fanfic?

zgirnius:
The characters have to be right. They have to act the way I imagine 
them. Within the constraint, I can deal with any sort of situation: 
AU, crossover, close to canon (like events from the books shown from 
another character's point of view, or things we know happened in the 
series but didn't see, like Neville asking Ginny to the Yule Ball), 
future or backstory of the series, whatever.

> Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?

zgirnius:
I couldn't say. Because I read so little, I tend to stick to short 
fics, not the novel-length ones.





From wuff at internode.on.net  Wed Nov 29 02:11:09 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:11:09 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question about wizards
In-Reply-To: <ekhrh8+1l99@eGroups.com>
References: <ekhrh8+1l99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <456CEC3D.5050601@internode.on.net>

Wendy wrote:
> My 10 year old had a question for me that I can not answer. What is the 
> difference between a wizard and a warlock? I always kind of thought 
> that those two names were interchangable, but in the series it seems to 
> be a special title. So my question is is it just a title in the series 
> or is it a descriptor of more powers or what? My daughter will thank 
> you.
> 
> Wendy

I believe, if you ask Wiccans [and they are the ones to ask in this]
that the name Warlock was mis-used by the show "Bewitched" and sort of
stuck, but is incorrect.

You should also give wikipedia a shot as it can answer almost anything.

www.wikipedia.com

Wolfie!



From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 03:08:11 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:08:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] A question about wizards
In-Reply-To: <456CEC3D.5050601@internode.on.net>
References: <ekhrh8+1l99@eGroups.com> <456CEC3D.5050601@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0611281908m4213d383lc2d6a96203de19de@mail.gmail.com>

Wendy wrote:
> My 10 year old had a question for me that I can not answer. What is the
> difference between a wizard and a warlock? I always kind of thought
> that those two names were interchangable, but in the series it seems to
> be a special title. So my question is is it just a title in the series
> or is it a descriptor of more powers or what? My daughter will thank
> you.

I did a little googling (and etymology dictionary digging) into this
because, well, the question intrigued me. :)

It seems that the answer you seek will change according to who you
ask.  According to certain old-ish traditions of pagan/shamanism, a
warlock is a witch (of the male & female persuasion) who has decided
practice the darker magics - the reason for this is that there is
arguable evidence that says the etymology of the word warlock roughly
translate [from Old English] to one who has renounced an oath.

The term wizard is equally muddy.  Until the mid-1500s, when the lines
between philosophy and magic blurred, a wizard was not necessarily
magical.  After this point, there is question whether a wizard is
merely a witch, a male witch, or a high user of magic, but magic is
irrevocably lined with the term wizard from said point.

Throw in the word sorcery, and really, who really knows what's going on?

:) Did help much, did I?

~Ali



From jscudder at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 29 01:39:15 2006
From: jscudder at dslextreme.com (jeff)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:39:15 -0000
Subject: Goblet Of Fire Movie
Message-ID: <ekioc3+65s5@eGroups.com>


Hello All! I've just joined and have a question. In Goblet Of Fire,
Voltamort says to Harry "Your dear Muggle Mother." Is that right? His
Mother was a witch, not a Muggle.

Thanks,

  Jeff





From kadedeetje at skynet.be  Wed Nov 29 00:56:30 2006
From: kadedeetje at skynet.be (kadedeetje)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:56:30 +0100
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DOEFLIDPHADPPFGNNEINMEKMIDAA.kadedeetje@skynet.be>

Cindi  asked

> Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?

I started reading the HP canon many times in my mother tongue and just did
not get into the story as my sister did. It wasn't until she introduced me
to the DVD language tricks (multi language voice overs and subtitiling) that
I discovered the 'magic' (pardon the pun) of the original English work and I
was seriously hooked. This happened some 6 months before the release of the
GOF book and while waiting I discovered the world and joys of fanfiction.

It wasn't until the time between publication of OotP and HBP that I started
thinking 'that's been done before' and 'what if ....'  has not been done yet
maybe I'll try' that I actually too started writing.

> Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?

The advantage - and at the same time frustration - of fanfic is that the
author can release the story chapter by chapter - a bit like a soap opera on
TV. If the show (or story) is good you'll just keep coming back for more.

And since there are so many fics out there you can pick exactly what you
like : you like Snape ? Choose a story where Harry gets 'adopted' by him, or
if you want Sirius alive and well, you can find plenty of Sirius returns
fics. I believe this is probably one of the reasons that more people were
disappointed with GOF and even more with HBP. I had been reading stories
with Remus as a father-figure to Harry, and that just didn't happen. And
after all, even though it's great we have the fanfics to turn to, JKR still
writes the canon - however much we might dislike the way the 'real' story is
going !

As to my own (attempt at) writing I guess that I want to find out what
happens with the rest of the story as much as the few readers I have.

> What makes a good fanfic?

That may vary but I do believe that writing style (and skill), storyline and
plot play a huge role. For me, the story just has to 'grab' me.

> Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?

Difficult, very difficult that question !  there are so many for different
reasons.

greengecko with Resonance and Revolution  - wishweaver with Realisation -
Lady Alchymia's Harry Potter and the Emerald Tablet - katlingon with the
Guild of Night series (and the other stories on her yahoo group)  - these
are just a few. But there are many more, and today's preferences won't be
the same as those yesterday or tomorrow, because there's always some story
to be found for whatever mood you're in !

kadedeetje



From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Wed Nov 29 14:21:40 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:21:40 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goblet Of Fire Movie
In-Reply-To: <ekioc3+65s5@eGroups.com>
References: <ekioc3+65s5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1164810104.1FB867AB@dg11.dngr.org>


On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 9:54 pm, jeff wrote:
> Hello All! I've just joined and have a question. In Goblet Of Fire,
> Voltamort says to Harry "Your dear Muggle Mother." Is that right? His
> Mother was a witch, not a Muggle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

Monica now:

Lilly was a muggle born witch, like Hermione.

We all know how Voldy and his DEs hate muggleborns..

M

> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa
'All I can say is...
When I needed the monkey,
The monkey was there for me.'
--T. Spencer
Atlanta GA



From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 14:24:39 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:24:39 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <DOEFLIDPHADPPFGNNEINMEKMIDAA.kadedeetje@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <ekk577+9fnk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kadedeetje" <kadedeetje at ...> 
wrote:
> Difficult, very difficult that question !  there are so many for 
different
> reasons.
> 
> greengecko with Resonance and Revolution  - wishweaver with 
Realisation -
> Lady Alchymia's Harry Potter and the Emerald Tablet - katlingon 
with the
> Guild of Night series (and the other stories on her yahoo group)  - 
these
> are just a few. But there are many more, and today's preferences 
won't be
> the same as those yesterday or tomorrow, because there's always 
some story
> to be found for whatever mood you're in !
> 
>


Alla:

Oh, goodness. I did not put Katling's series among my very favorites. 
They absolutely are :)




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 15:01:10 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:01:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>
References: <ekhqgo+hcgu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0611290701w159a01e9md587fc5bed30263d@mail.gmail.com>

> Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?

I started reading HP fanfiction, initially, because I knew people who
wrote it.  It's fairly difficult to read over your friends' writings
when, you know, you don't know anything about the books other than the
movies.

As for the writing, I don't do much of that [in the HP fandom].  I
read a bit of HP fanfiction on occasion, but really, because the
fandom is so large, I just haven't felt the need to put pen to paper,
as it were.


> Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?

Fanfiction is fun, and more times than not, it's helpful to see how
people in the fandom understand the books.  It's escapism when you
don't want to face that Sirius or Dumbledore may be dead.  It's
enlightening when you want to understand what people mean by the
"anvil sized hints" comment (or some other such comment) - I'm not
exactly a H/Hr shipper, but I've never seen the H/G thing, either, so
I turned to the fanfic writers to help me understand since the
discussions on HP4GU were getting heated and circular.  It's fun when
you want to see just how people see book 7 working out.  In short,
it's a good look into the fandom when you don't want to dig through
all the posts at HP4GU, and it isn't a half bad way to pass the time
between the book releases. :)


> What makes a good fanfic?

A good fanfic requires the same things a good novel requires, and that
may seem like a high order, but with good/pro writers writing fanfics
and poor writers getting published, there's a lot of room for
crossovers, and I'll read most anything with a good enough hook.  For
the most part, good writing with excellent flow will save almost any
plot for me - by good writing, I mean a well-crafted, plausibility
irregardless, plot, a good sense of the characters you're working
with, and an innate understanding of how to put together words to
compel the reader to keep reading.  On the other hand, a good plot can
save mediocre writing - something compelling and vaguely well-crafted
will keep me reading, even if I think the writer could use a few more
years in creative writing courses.


> Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?

I don't have such a list.  There are authors I'll follow up on every
few months or so, but I don't know that I've read anything that would
make me think that there's something out there good enough to make
think I should compose a top 5 list.

~Ali



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 16:38:33 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:38:33 -0000
Subject: A question about wizards... and Warlocks
In-Reply-To: <ekhrh8+1l99@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekkd2a+nm32@eGroups.com>

---  "Wendy" <wendydarling6402 at ...> wrote:
>
> My 10 year old had a question for me that I can not 
> answer. What is the difference between a wizard and a
> warlock? I always kind of thought that those two names
> were interchangable, but in the series it seems to be 
> a special title. So my question is is it just a title 
> in the series or is it a descriptor of more powers or
>  what? My daughter will thank
> you.
> 
> Wendy
>

bboyminn:

Well, in the HP-JKR world, we really don't know. There 
are instances in which Harry walks into a room an 
makes note in the narrative that there are "Warlock"
specifically present in the room. So what ever the 
difference is, Harry seems to know it when he sees it.
But the books have never given a distinction as to what
might make them specifically 'warlocks'.

Though there is a trend which implies that 'warlocks'
are a 'rowdy' bunch. 

As others have pointed out, in general, the word stems
from 'oath breaker', though is used to refer to a male
witch. However, I'm not sure how that applies to the
HP series. Can Harry possibly make a distinction 
between a male witch and a male wizard?

Others have speculated that it is a political title.
Dumbledore is head warlock of the Wizengamot.

I have speculated that it is a regional variation in 
the reference to a wizard. Wizard being Western 
European and warlock being Eastern European. So, Harry
would assume that loud rowdy people speaking in Eastern
European accents are warlocks. Note, this would make
Viktor Krum a warlock. 

This is a subject we have discussed at great length in 
the main group, and the only conclusion we can come to
with certainty is 'we don't know'. What is listed
above is some of the more common speculations.

This is one of the questions I would like to ask JKR
if I ever got a chance to speak with her.

Steve/bboyminn




From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 22:46:19 2006
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:46:19 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
Message-ID: <ekl2jr+p1ob@eGroups.com>

Eleanna wrote:
>Why did you start reading (or writing) HP fanfiction?
I actually started writing it before I read any at all.  I didn't 
plan to, but one day my mind was wandering and I thought, "What would 
Hermione miss most from the Muggle world while she was at Hogwarts?"  
I had to grab a pen.  One week and 60 pages later my first fanfic was 
finished.

>Why do you continue to read (or write)fanfiction?
The excellent reviews!  People actually enjoyed the darned thing so I 
wrote another and I'm currently working on my version of Book 7 which 
I have to write really quickly before the real one comes out!  I also 
enjoy giving the characters emotional depth which I think is somewhat 
lacking in the series.

>What makes a good fanfic?
The writing, definitely.  Almost any character deviations can be 
tolerated if the writing is good enough to carry it.  Humor is also 
excellent because we love these characters so much and having their 
foibles exaggerated is so much fun.  Like Sirius looking into the 
Mirror of Erised:  "Sirius was peering at the Mirror, muttering, 'Oh, 
wow, you can change what you see ... there's me with that really hot 
DaDA instructor ... there's Bellatrix getting expelled ... there's me 
as a dog chasing Mrs. Norris down the hall ... mounting Kreacher's 
head on the wall ... holding a baby? James, this thing's broken ...'

>Who are your top 5 fanfic authors and/or stories?
I have to admit, I loved the Draco Trilogy by anathema Cassie Claire, 
except that I skipped all the Lupin/Sirius/Narcissa parts.  The 
ending was fantastic.  I loved The Small Green Bottles of Doom 
(exerpt above) by Flitting (Fiction Alley) but my favorites are my 
own because I'm hopelessly egocentric.  I can read Bad Medicine over 
and over.  And I don't even like that pairing.

Thanks for asking!  I'm looking forward to everyone's answers?I'm 
compiling the favorites to add to my reading list.  It's hard to 
search through the thousands of fanfics without recommendations.
 
Cheryl





From jscudder at dslextreme.com  Thu Nov 30 01:09:38 2006
From: jscudder at dslextreme.com (Jeff Scudder)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:09:38 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goblet Of Fire Movie
In-Reply-To: <1164810104.1FB867AB@dg11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <005101c7141c$354f2e90$6801a8c0@dep>

Oh, now I understand. Thanks for the help!

Jeff

 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Monica Boukhalfa
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:22 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Goblet Of Fire Movie

 


On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 9:54 pm, jeff wrote:
> Hello All! I've just joined and have a question. In Goblet Of Fire,
> Voltamort says to Harry "Your dear Muggle Mother." Is that right? His
> Mother was a witch, not a Muggle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

Monica now:

Lilly was a muggle born witch, like Hermione.

We all know how Voldy and his DEs hate muggleborns..

M

> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa
'All I can say is...
When I needed the monkey,
The monkey was there for me.'
--T. Spencer
Atlanta GA

 



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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 03:19:38 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:19:38 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?/LOTR fanfic
In-Reply-To: <ekl2jr+p1ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eklika+36f0@eGroups.com>

I am sorta hijacking this thread to ask for recommendation of GOOD 
LOTR fanfiction with Boromir surviving and focused on Boromir and 
Aragorn enough (reluctant friendship, or slash do not care, as long as 
characters are recognisable, writing is good, etc)

Thanks, guys.

Alla, who found few of those on ff.net, but very very few.




From legrinstl at charter.net  Thu Nov 30 13:52:48 2006
From: legrinstl at charter.net (Cindi)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:52:48 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <eklika+36f0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekmnng+phh6@eGroups.com>

I wanted to thank all of you who replied to my questions.  It was very 
helpful.  I tried to use some of all of the comments in the interview 
with the reporter yesterday.  She was very shocked to find out how many 
fanfics were out there and how many people read them.

I will post a copy of the article on this group if you all would like 
that.  Mary said that the article should appear in the 12/17/06 Post 
Dispatch.

Again, thank you so much for responding and for the fic recommendations!

Eleanna




From legrinstl at charter.net  Thu Nov 30 14:07:56 2006
From: legrinstl at charter.net (Cindi)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:07:56 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekl2jr+p1ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekmojs+3c6a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" <xcpublishing at ...> 
wrote:
>
I'm looking forward to everyone's answers?I'm 
> compiling the favorites to add to my reading list.  It's hard to 
> search through the thousands of fanfics without recommendations.
>  

Cheryl:

What is your screen name and where are your fics hosted?

There is another yahoo group, HPPowerofTime, which not only hosts 
RossWrocks "Power of Time" but also has the phenomenal "Ulimate HP 
Fanfiction Guide" out in their Files Section.  I got lots of 
recommendations from that.  Also, in their Links section, there is 
the "Members Recommended Reading" which I have found very helpful for 
newer fics.

There are two mods on HPPowerofTime, and you have to ask to join but 
I heartily recommend it.

Eleanna




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 15:52:10 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:52:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
Message-ID: <1164902049.1C1DC873@dl11.dngr.org>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 9:43 am, Cindi wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" <xcpublishing at ...>
> wrote:
>>
> I'm looking forward to everyone's answers?I'm
>>  compiling the favorites to add to my reading list.  It's hard to
>>  search through the thousands of fanfics without recommendations.

We have a section on FictionAlley called The Nifflers Recommend...
Since 2002, we've had a rotating series of fic-recommenders - and we're 
going to be taking applications for a new Pack in January so if you're 
interested, drop me an email now and I'll make sure to notify you when 
we do.

The Niffler forum has probably 400 recommended fics dating back to the 
early stories in the HP fandom, with comments by others who've read 
those stories as well. You can find it about halfway down at 
http://forums.fictionalley.org


Heidi
Follow me to FictionAlley :: CREATIVITY IS MAGIC!

Http://www.fictionalley.org



From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 16:17:03 2006
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:17:03 -0000
Subject: Why did you start reading HP fanfiction and why do you continue?
In-Reply-To: <ekmojs+3c6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ekn05v+890t@eGroups.com>

Eleanna asked:
> What is your screen name and where are your fics hosted?

Author name is Cheryl Dyson and they're on Fiction Alley.  Two 
completed and one in process.

> There is another yahoo group, HPPowerofTime, which not only hosts 
> RossWrocks "Power of Time" but also has the phenomenal "Ulimate HP 
> Fanfiction Guide" out in their Files Section.

Uh oh, another group I have to join, lol!  Thanks for the tips!

Cheryl




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 17:38:27 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:38:27 -0500
Subject: Supernatural is rated #1 Family TV for CW/WB network?
Message-ID: <1a2738400611300938p714145a2r56473f9db0e1b2eb@mail.gmail.com>

>From http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.printEdition&art_send_date=2006-11-30&art_type=10
(membership required but someone copied and pasted the relevate bit):
[[
6. Family TV: Can You Say 'Smackdown'?

Guess what is the second-most-watched show that adults watch with
children in prime time? Thinking "7th Heaven" or "Gilmore Girls"? Try
CW's "Friday Night Smackdown." The No. 1 show is CW's "Supernatural,"
a show with its own dark side.
]]

Hm, I used to watch 'wresting' back in the 1980s when it was WWF.

Heh, folk wonder about 'dark themes' in Harry Potter when Supernatural
is also ranked as Family TV?  Okay.

Though, I still think finding out Tori Spelling was cast to play a
tabloid reporter on Smallville amused me more.  Right up there with
seeing Luke Perry in gold heels and fishnet stockings for Rocky Horror
Picture Show on Broadway--my first and only Broadway show (not much of
a theater person but this sounded fun and it was).

{cue Twilight Zone music}

Dina



From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 18:02:50 2006
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:02:50 -0000
Subject: My failure on Ebay
Message-ID: <ekn6ca+1u82@eGroups.com>

Ok, since this is the OT chatter I hope my post is within the 
boundaries of the group.
I have made 2 attempts to but the HP books on cd through Ebay and 
both have ended in claims!  I am so disappointed. On my first try, I 
bid on a set of the first six books.  I won the auction at a bid of 
$202.  That seemed like a pretty fair price to me and I was quite 
anxious to own the cds.  So I made a prompt (same day) payment 
through paypal and waited....and waited...and waited.  After 2 weeks 
I emailed the seller.  No response.  I emailed him a total of 3 times 
with no response, so after nearly 5 weeks I filed a dispute with 
paypal.   Apparently, paypal put some sort of hold on the seller's 
account which finally got his attention.  I received a frantic and 
apologetic email stating the books had been mailed "forever ago" and 
he would look in to their whereabouts immediately.  "Would you please 
cancel your dispute as it is tying up my account?"  I responded that 
I would cancel the dispute as soon as he provided me with a tracking 
number for the shipment of the audiobooks.  Well, you guessed it!  I 
never got the tracking number and paypal refunded my money.
I was disappointed, but determined to buy the cds.  I began watching 
similar auctions and found some that looked great.  I bid on the 
books individually, and wonder of wonders, they were all being sold 
by one person!  I won all the books for a total of $175.  Cool, even 
less than my first try.  I was so pleased with myself!
That didn't last long.  This time, the seller communicated with me 
quickly.  After 10 days, I asked when I should expect my shipment.  
The seller was listed in Israel and she said it would take about 15 
business days for the books to arrive.  Ok....I am a little wary 
since my first attempt went badly, so I started watching her feedback 
to see how long her other items took to ship.  Guess what?  Right 
after I read the email assuring me the items would arrive in 15 or so 
days, I found a negative feedback in which the buyer stated he did 
not receive some of his cds, and the ones he did receive were bootleg 
copies.  Oh, man, here we go again....
I decided to look more closely at the things the seller had sold in 
the past.  There were nearly 300 items that had positive feedback.  
Hmm.  They all had the same item number.  Huh?  How can that be?  The 
item turned out to be wallpaper.  No, not the kind that goes on your 
wall, the kind on your desktop.  What the .....?  So I emailed the 
seller again.  "I am concerned by the negative feedback you 
received.  Can you provide me with a tracking number and a ship 
date?"  The response was "Oh, don't worry about that negative.  He is 
just mad because other people have filed disputes against him."  No 
tracking number or ship date.  This is not going well at all.  I 
waited a couple more days and then checked my ebay concerning some 
other auctions I was watching.  The seller of my HP cds is now no 
longer a registered user with ebay!  "That does it", I thought.  I 
sent another email to the seller asking why she was no longer 
registered with ebay.  She responded by giving the date she shipped 
the cds, but no answer as to why she was not a registered user any 
more.   Well, yesterday I gave up and filed a second claim with 
paypal.  I hope I can collect my refund, since she is not registered 
with ebay anymore.  Time will tell.
Thanks for reading my rant.  Do any of you know of a reputable seller 
on Ebay from whom I can buy the HP audiobooks?  Or, should I just 
fork over the retail price and buy from Barnes and Noble or someone 
like that?

Cyndi




From sbejster at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 15:03:09 2006
From: sbejster at yahoo.com (Sandra Bejster)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:03:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A question about wizards... and Warlocks
In-Reply-To: <1164896422.301.9199.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <312215.46639.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve/bboyminn:

You know, I would have originally answered that I
think "Warlock" might have been a title, but reading
your note gives me another idea.  Could "warlock"
possibly be plural for wizard?  Like geese is for
goose?  For instance, you wrote:

"There are instances in which Harry walks into a room
and makes note in the narrative that there are
"Warlock" specifically present in the room."

You also wrote:

"Others have speculated that it is a political title.
Dumbledore is head warlock of the Wizengamot."

In the latter example, the fact that DD is the head of
a group (of wizards AND witches) still fits that it
might just be plural.
 
Just a thought and I concede to the possibility that
there could be conflicting evidence in the books. 
I've only read each one twice (so far) and there's
always some things I miss.


Sandra
Dearborn, MI


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 19:55:38 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:55:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My failure on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <ekn6ca+1u82@eGroups.com>
References: <ekn6ca+1u82@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400611301155o1b710d71x312b8843498e6cbf@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/06, thekrenz <thekrenz at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks for reading my rant.  Do any of you know of a reputable seller
> on Ebay from whom I can buy the HP audiobooks?  Or, should I just
> fork over the retail price and buy from Barnes and Noble or someone
> like that?

All varies based on seller feedback/ratings and location in
relationship to yours.  I'm sorry to hear about your bad eBay
experiences. :-(

If you're in the US, have you tried Overstock, for example?  That's
just one 'discount' seller I was looking at.  I did a quick add up for
all six audio books on CD to get an apprx total of $226.24 and there
are 12% off and free shipping codes floating around, which should take
the total to around $200 and closely matches the cost of your first
auction... and I've had no problems with Overstock.  In fact, I took
advantage of website discounts that, um, I shouldn't have used.  Not
sure how long the codes are valid for.

Dina



From heidi8 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 20:40:16 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:40:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] My failure on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400611301155o1b710d71x312b8843498e6cbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ekn6ca+1u82@eGroups.com> <1a2738400611301155o1b710d71x312b8843498e6cbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1164919219.3B8A9D71@dh11.dngr.org>


On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 3:27 pm, Dina Lerret wrote:

> If you're in the US, have you tried Overstock, for example?  That's
> just one 'discount' seller I was looking at.  I did a quick add up for
> all six audio books on CD to get an apprx total of $226.24 and there
> are 12% off and free shipping codes floating around, which should take
> the total to around $200 and closely matches the cost of your first
> auction...

And if you're going to use Overstock.com it's a good idea to go in via 
iGive.com and find a charity or orgainization that you support, because 
a portion - 3+%, I think - goes to the charity of your choice if you 
create an iGive account.


Heidi

(whose fictionalley.org is one of the 501c3 orgs listed on iGive, which 
is how I know about it)



From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 21:29:09 2006
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:29:09 -0000
Subject: My failure on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <ekn6ca+1u82@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eknif5+aus1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at ...> wrote:
>Do any of you know of a reputable seller 
> on Ebay from whom I can buy the HP audiobooks?  Or, should I just 
> fork over the retail price and buy from Barnes and Noble or someone 
> like that?
> 
> Cyndi
>

Cyndi:

Sorry you've had such a hard time with Ebay. I don't know of anyone
offhand, but I would give you two pieces of advice. First, always
check the seller's feedback before bidding. It can give a very
reliable indication of what your experience with that seller will be
like. Secondly, I tend to prefer to buy and sell in the U.S. only
(because I'm in the U.S.). Even shipping to and from Canada is more of
a hassle than I'm willing to deal with, and it just makes my life so
much simpler if I click on that little button to the left which
filters my options down to U.S. sellers only.  Good luck!

:: Entropy ::

www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com





From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 22:41:18 2006
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:41:18 -0000
Subject: My failure on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <eknif5+aus1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eknmme+bte2@eGroups.com>

> Cyndi:
> 
> Sorry you've had such a hard time with Ebay. I don't know of anyone
> offhand, but I would give you two pieces of advice. First, always
> check the seller's feedback before bidding. It can give a very
> reliable indication of what your experience with that seller will be
> like. Secondly, I tend to prefer to buy and sell in the U.S. only
> (because I'm in the U.S.). Even shipping to and from Canada is more of
> a hassle than I'm willing to deal with, and it just makes my life so
> much simpler if I click on that little button to the left which
> filters my options down to U.S. sellers only.  Good luck!
> 
> :: Entropy ::
> 
> www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com
>

Thanks to those of you who offered advice and condolence. :D
Would you believe I received the cds today in the mail?  6 of them.  
Not 6 books, 6 cds.  They are copies.  One copy of each book per cd.  
I really got shafted on this one. I did check the feedback and the 
rating was 99.7% postive with only one or two neutrals.  What I should 
have done is check the items.
I think the feedback was fraudulent.  Oh well, now on to the credit 
card company to see if I can get my money back.  Paypal won't let me 
change my claim from "Item not received" to "Item significantly 
different that advertised."
:(




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 23:48:33 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: My failure on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <eknmme+bte2@eGroups.com>
References: <eknmme+bte2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1164930516.17DD8365@fb6.dngr.org>

I think you should still report them to ebay and get your money back. 
What they're selling infringes on JKR's copyrights and her publisher's 
rights to sell the books and audiobooks.


On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 6:22 pm, thekrenz wrote:
>>  Cyndi:
>>
>>  Sorry you've had such a hard time with Ebay. I don't know of anyone
>>  offhand, but I would give you two pieces of advice. First, always
>>  check the seller's feedback before bidding. It can give a very
>>  reliable indication of what your experience with that seller will be
>>  like. Secondly, I tend to prefer to buy and sell in the U.S. only
>>  (because I'm in the U.S.). Even shipping to and from Canada is more of
>>  a hassle than I'm willing to deal with, and it just makes my life so
>>  much simpler if I click on that little button to the left which
>>  filters my options down to U.S. sellers only.  Good luck!
>>
>>  :: Entropy ::
>>
>>  www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com
>>
>
> Thanks to those of you who offered advice and condolence. :D
> Would you believe I received the cds today in the mail?  6 of them.
> Not 6 books, 6 cds.  They are copies.  One copy of each book per cd.
> I really got shafted on this one. I did check the feedback and the
> rating was 99.7% postive with only one or two neutrals.  What I should
> have done is check the items.
> I think the feedback was fraudulent.  Oh well, now on to the credit
> card company to see if I can get my money back.  Paypal won't let me
> change my claim from "Item not received" to "Item significantly
> different that advertised."
> :(
>
>
>
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