From morianna at mindspring.com  Sun Oct  1 01:31:29 2006
From: morianna at mindspring.com (Morianna)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:31:29 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <004e01c6e4b9$35cae590$6600a8c0@phil>
References: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com> <004e01c6e4b9$35cae590$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <451F1A71.8090806@mindspring.com>

Phil Vlasak wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> It looks like neither the accessible or the text only version of JKR's web site has the WOMBAT test.
> In the accessible version I was able to click the door but it did not open to a new page.
> Phil who wishes someone posted the questions at least.
>
>
>   
<SNIP>

Hi Phil-
I'm on the accessible site right now, and the door is open and all the 
things you need to open the test are on the desktop.  First, click on 
the CANDLE, then the QUILL, then the red WOMBAT BOOK, then the FOUR LEAF 
CLOVER which turns it into a KEY take the key drag it to the drawer and 
it opens and voila--the Quiz  Finally, TURN THE HOURGLASS (looks like a 
dark wood circle).

Good Luck and I hope this helps
M



From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  1 03:25:03 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:25:03 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <efmhv5+tslo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1GTrwy-0005W9-Ol@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all,
 I just came across this article stating that the actress that plays Prof.
Sprout,  Ron's mom, and the actor that plays Harry's uncle have been fired.
Does anyone know anything about this?  Is it even true?  Is it just the
actors were fired, or are those characters being written out of the movies?

David


Sherry now:

someone on the movie list said that this was referring to the GOF movie, at
least the part about Vernon and molly.

Sherry




From phil at pcsgames.net  Sun Oct  1 03:23:58 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:23:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
References: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com> <004e01c6e4b9$35cae590$6600a8c0@phil> <451F1A71.8090806@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <005501c6e509$76a6b120$6600a8c0@phil>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Morianna 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!


  Phil Vlasak wrote:
  > Hi Folks,
  > It looks like neither the accessible or the text only version of JKR's web site has the WOMBAT test.
  > In the accessible version I was able to click the door but it did not open to a new page.
  > Phil who wishes someone posted the questions at least.
  >
  >
  > 
  <SNIP>

  Hi Phil-
  I'm on the accessible site right now, and the door is open and all the 
  things you need to open the test are on the desktop. First, click on 
  the CANDLE, then the QUILL, then the red WOMBAT BOOK, then the FOUR LEAF 
  CLOVER which turns it into a KEY take the key drag it to the drawer and 
  it opens and voila--the Quiz Finally, TURN THE HOURGLASS (looks like a 
  dark wood circle).

  Good Luck and I hope this helps
  M


   

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Oct  1 03:30:17 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:30:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <451F1A71.8090806@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6e509$eab64d00$66a4a8c0@rosie>

The accessable site is nice, but I still have problems finding everything.
I saw no door, candle, etc., and when I'm more awake I'll try again later. I
wouldn't know how to "drag" the key to whatever, either. <Smile.>

Cheers,

Lee (who needs a nap...she be a bit on the tired side)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bumbledor at comcast.net  Sun Oct  1 05:01:40 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] cast members axed?
References: <efmhv5+tslo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c6e516$aeaa10a0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <foodiedb at optonline.net>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] cast members axed?


> Hi all,
> I just came across this article stating that the actress that plays
> Prof. Sprout,  Ron's mom, and the actor that plays Harry's uncle
> have been fired.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Is it even
> true?  Is it just the actors were fired, or are those characters
> being written out of the movies?
> David
>
> Members Of Harry Potter Cast Are Axed!
> But why?...
> Email Article    Print Article from entertainmentwise.com
>
> By: Lowri Williams on 9/29/2006
>
> British actress Miriam Margoyles is devastated at being axed from
> any future Harry Potter films and is calling for all fans of the
> franchise to take a stand.
>
> Margoyles played Professor Sprout in the films and she is not the
> only household named to be axed from the films for no reason;
> unbelievably Julie Walters who plays Mrs Weasley and Richard
> Griffiths who plays Harry's horrible uncle have also been axed.
>
> According to ContactMusic, Margoyles said: "I'd love to be in
> another film but they just haven't asked me. I think it's a shame
> but the prospects of me doing another one now are remote.
>
> "Please do campaign on my behalf though."
>

Depends on what the british mean by "axed".. I saw an article that said we 
wouldn't see any of the dursleys or quidditch in OOTP.. so if thats what 
"axed" means, then it makes sense.

Then again, what Warner Brothers has done to the movies, doesn't make sense.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  1 05:48:50 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 05:48:50 -0000
Subject: Movie Recommendation - The Thief Lord
Message-ID: <efnks2+qef1@eGroups.com>

I saw the movie 'The Thief Lord' tonight and it was 
actually much better than I expected. For those who don't
know 'The Thief Lord' is about a couple of orphaned boys
who escape an unpleasant Aunt and Uncle in England. The 
Aunt and Uncle put the older boy in an orphanage and keep
the younger boy thinking that both of them together would
be too much trouble. The boys escape to Venice, Italy 
which was their mother's favorite city. In Venice they 
are befriended by the Thief Lord and the magical 
adventure begins.

I have read the book which is also published in the UK by 
Bloomsbury and Scholastic in the USA. It was originally
written in German by Cornelia Funke. A little girl wrote
to Bloomsbury to the 'guy who publishes the Harry Potter
books' and recommended it to him. He looked into in and
liked it.

It is a wonderfully enchanting story and the movie stays
very faithful to the book which is only 350 pages long.

I highly recommend both the book which is available in 
paperback and the movie which is in video stores now.

It is a wonderfully enchanting story about kids, 
adventure, mystery, and magic. If you have ever dreamed 
about the traveling to the city of Venice, this book will
make that dream even more appealing.

I'd be interesting on comments for others who have read
the book or seen the moive.

Steve/bboyminn







From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Sun Oct  1 13:06:46 2006
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Luckdragon)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:06:46 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <000001c6e509$eab64d00$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <efoeh6+22uo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> The accessable site is nice, but I still have problems finding 
everything.
> I saw no door, candle, etc., and when I'm more awake I'll try again 
later. I
> wouldn't know how to "drag" the key to whatever, either. <Smile.>
> 

Luckdragon:
The Lexicon has posted all the questions along with a commentary on 
each one for those who cannot access it at Jo's website. To see the 
questions, go to the Harry Potter Lexicon website and click on the 
Ultimate guide to Jo's website. Try the link below for direct access.

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-door6.html






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 13:23:27 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:23:27 -0400
Subject: Quibbler article: Why You Should Watch Supernatural
Message-ID: <1a2738400610010623k174b07dfj34ab9466f8924705@mail.gmail.com>

For the Halloween-inclined...

I jokingly referenced there should be an icon like #36 at
http://somersaulter.livejournal.com/16092.html where it says 'this is
a forehead scar, bitch' to Harry Potter. {chuckle}  And the season two
premiere did include one of Dean's favorite sayings, 'sonofabitch'.
For the research inclined, a few folk actually found the historic
alchemy behind icon #38.  Speaking of chemistry...

The SPN_TV community mod posted this:
http://www.the-quibbler.org/index.php?x=oct06/ae4

As an edit note, the article's writer has a typo in the Dean quote.
Should be: "Driver picks the music, shotgun shuts his cakehole."  Heh,
I like the number one reason for watching: the chemistry between Jared
Padalecki and Jensen Ackles.

Definitely helped with the rampant Winchester 'brotherly love' in the
SPN fandom. {g}  That and the J2 RPS such as recent tidbits:
http://community.livejournal.com/padacklesrps/77159.html
Dreamwatch magazine: "And they really do love each other, they really
did become brothers. I watch them at parties all the time. They're
like, "Hey, man," watching each other and watching each other's backs.
You can't fake the camraderie they have." - Eric Kripke, series
creator

and

http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/163603.html
Ultimate DVD Guide magazine: "Not only do the pair seem uncommonly
close, they laugh uproariously at each other's jokes and can't help
finish off one another's sentences. And if you want to interview them,
they come as a pair."

Hm, that last part... {mind goes to gutter}

Dina



From jerisueva at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  1 12:03:49 2006
From: jerisueva at yahoo.com (lily.phoenixfire)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:03:49 -0000
Subject: cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <001101c6e516$aeaa10a0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>
Message-ID: <efoar5+647f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bumbledor" <bumbledor at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David" <foodiedb at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:53 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] cast members axed?
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> > I just came across this article stating that the actress that plays
> > Prof. Sprout,  Ron's mom, and the actor that plays Harry's uncle
> > have been fired.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Is it even
> > true?  Is it just the actors were fired, or are those characters
> > being written out of the movies?
> > David
> >
> > Members Of Harry Potter Cast Are Axed!
> > But why?...
> > Email Article    Print Article from entertainmentwise.com
> >
> > By: Lowri Williams on 9/29/2006
> >
> > British actress Miriam Margoyles is devastated at being axed from
> > any future Harry Potter films and is calling for all fans of the
> > franchise to take a stand.
> >
> > Margoyles played Professor Sprout in the films and she is not the
> > only household named to be axed from the films for no reason;
> > unbelievably Julie Walters who plays Mrs Weasley and Richard
> > Griffiths who plays Harry's horrible uncle have also been axed.
> >
> > According to ContactMusic, Margoyles said: "I'd love to be in
> > another film but they just haven't asked me. I think it's a shame
> > but the prospects of me doing another one now are remote.
> >
> > "Please do campaign on my behalf though."
> >
> 
> Depends on what the british mean by "axed".. I saw an article that
said we 
> wouldn't see any of the dursleys or quidditch in OOTP.. so if thats
what 
> "axed" means, then it makes sense.
> 
> Then again, what Warner Brothers has done to the movies, doesn't
make sense.
>

Lily:
Hi. I apologize for discussing the movies in this thread but I wanted
to add my two knuts to Sherry's comment. As she says, that article was
referring to GoF.  The article stating that the Dursleys wouldn't be
in OOTP was incorrect. Some scenes have already been filmed.  Leaky
posted images that showed the cast and crew filming the Dementor scene
at the beginning of OOTP. The pictures show Harry and Dudley running
from the Dementors.(I haven't seen any scenes with Vernon and
Petunia). The part about no Quidditch is correct though. No room for
it. The book is huge and from interviews with some of the cast and the
director it seems they are trying to emphasize all the emotional stuff
going on and the darker tone of the book; as well as, the cruelty of
Umbridge. In case you haven't yet seen it, Leaky has a lot of info on
the film that you might enjoy reading.

Cheers,
Lily








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Oct  1 23:24:47 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:24:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efoeh6+22uo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6e5b0$c95f0410$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Lordy, I did it!.  I couldn't read fast enough, or my thinking processes
were too slow as I exceeded the 25-minute time, but I actually did get into
the room and open the test and done took it! WEEEEEE!

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  1 23:28:05 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:28:05 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Jim!
Message-ID: <efpiu5+rl6s@eGroups.com>

*putters about, blowing up balloons and hanging streamers*

*stops and looks at the door*

Oh, you're here already! My goodness, I had no idea it was getting so 
close to party time. Come on in and let's start the fun.

Today's birthday honouree is Jim Ferer (Dadgrid). Birthday owls can 
be sent care of this list or directly to Jim at: jferer at yahoo.com

I hope your day has been wonderful, filled with fun with your girls, 
lots of cake and much magic.

*pops out quickly and reappears with a tall, crooked cake hastily 
decorated with multi-coloured frosting*

Just in case there wasn't cake. <vbg>

Happy Birthday, Jim!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, also providing medical attention for all 
the list members who fainted on seeing a prompt birthday greeting. :D







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  2 05:28:58 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:28:58 -0000
Subject: cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <efoar5+647f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efq82q+8uaf@eGroups.com>

Well I think that people should use the term "axed" carefully. It means 
fired. That is not the same as just not being needed for the film.
When I read that I thought that some sort of arguement had happened and 
3 people were fired. That is not the case.

They can not replace an actor. It just would not be right. Unless it is 
that man that 'attempts' to play DD, of course. 

I don't know what the source of that information was, but there is a 
picture of Uncle Vernon at Veritaserum that clearly shows the same 
actor in the scene where Dudley is recovering from the dementor attack. 
So I don't think that the article is correct.

Tonks_op









From swartell at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  2 16:44:06 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <001101c6e516$aeaa10a0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>
Message-ID: <20061002164406.9187.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>

That will come as a surprise to WB - there was a photo
on Leaky Caudron (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/)
or on Mugglenet (http://mugglenet.com) from WB of the
Dursleys reacting to Harry after the Dementor attack
in Little Whinging and set shots on one of them from
the filming of the dementor attack scene.  Also, Leaky
has interview notes from Julie Walters talking about
filming OotP, just up.

On the other hand, "quidditch is out" has been
reported repeatedly, and almost from the start of
stories on the film.

Sue

--- bumbledor <bumbledor at comcast.net> wrote:
> I saw
> an article that said we wouldn't see any of the 
> dursleys or quidditch in OOTP.. so if thats what 
> "axed" means, then it makes sense.
> 

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From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Tue Oct  3 12:14:33 2006
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:14:33 -0000
Subject: cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <efq82q+8uaf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eftk79+74pv@eGroups.com>

Tonks wrote:

> Well I think that people should use the term "axed" carefully. It 
means 
> fired. That is not the same as just not being needed for the film.

Well, usually, it amounts to the same thing: if they axe a character, 
they have to fire the actor because they won't be needed (and it's 
implied by the usage that the character was formerly in the script).  
HP is unusual in that WB don't know what future books may hold.

But in any case, I'd suggest paying no attention to an article whose 
author can't spell Margolyes.

David (the other one)







From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Oct  3 12:25:16 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:25:16 -0000
Subject: cast members axed?
In-Reply-To: <eftk79+74pv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eftkrc+sn1t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Tonks wrote:
> 
> > Well I think that people should use the term "axed" carefully. It 
> means 
> > fired. That is not the same as just not being needed for the film.
> 

The Internet Movie Database lists both Julie Walters and Richard 
Griffiths in the cast for OOP:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373889/fullcredits

Sprout is not listed as being in the cast of characters, not 
surprisingly since her role in OOP was minimal.

   - CMC








From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  4 04:40:51 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:40:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dan in the Brit show, 'Extras'
Message-ID: <20061004044051.89179.qmail@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I stupidly tried to send this video through youtube.  My dumb.
   
  I'm usually not the biggest Dan fan, but I appreciate that he's trying to get off with me.
   
  Enjoy.
   
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4BxwHRk2U

 		
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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  5 13:54:56 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:54:56 -0000
Subject: Music Vid- I Love You Harry Potter
Message-ID: <eg32rg+mnjn@eGroups.com>

Hi, I know, maybe some of you know this music video of the group 
Querubim from UK. They have this lovely track titled I Love you Harry 
Potter, Tonks_op was the first one who found and gave the url links of 
their song first and in case you missed her post here is the url links 
again of the I Love you Harry Potter and if you are interested to know 
this very young group(they are adorable) here's their site: 
http://www.myspace.com/querubim  and http://www.querubim.co.uk .  
Here's the links to their vids: 

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1178272194

Enjoy
maria8162001







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Oct  5 14:36:34 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:36:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Music Vid- I Love You Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <eg32rg+mnjn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01fW8dmzdvt0000149b@compdevsys.com>

OHMYGOSH!! How bloomin cute is that!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks so much for sharing this!!
 
Michelle, in Pennsylvania

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Vaerewyck
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:55 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Music Vid- I Love You Harry Potter



Hi, I know, maybe some of you know this music video of the group 
Querubim from UK. They have this lovely track titled I Love you Harry 
Potter, Tonks_op was the first one who found and gave the url links of 
their song first and in case you missed her post here is the url links 
again of the I Love you Harry Potter and if you are interested to know 
this very young group(they are adorable) here's their site: 
http://www.myspace. <http://www.myspace.com/querubim> com/querubim and
http://www.querubim <http://www.querubim.co.uk> .co.uk . 
Here's the links to their vids: 

http://vids. <http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?> myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1178272194

Enjoy
maria8162001



 


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From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  5 15:20:02 2006
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:20:02 +0100
Subject: New Positions Available on Sectus Committee
Message-ID: <6493bc80610050820i7d56832djba2cff0f1a67e9e0@mail.gmail.com>

Want to be involved with the biggest Harry Potter conference ever held in
the UK?

We've created some new committee positions, so now's the time to step
forward. The Sectus committee is a fantastic, friendly team consisting
entirely of fans wanting to create the best possible event for other fans.

The positions available are as follows:

Publications Editor
Reporting to: Chair
Liaising with: Graphics Designer, Concept Artist, all committee for
contributions

You'll be working on our newsletter, The Snake's Quill and ultimately our
Event Programme.

On The Snake's Quill, your role will be to write and/or collate news and
features for each issue. You will be responsible for deciding upon the
content of each issue, delegating to other committee members where necessary
and ensuring that everything is sent to the Graphics Designer to a set
deadline.

You'll also be in charge of putting together the Event Programme. You'll
need to decide what goes in the programme, delegate to other committee
members and collate all text to be sent to the Graphic Designer to a
deadline. You will also be responsible for selling advertising space, so you
will need to be proactive and

For this position, you will need to have good written communication skills,
be organised, proactive and able to work to a deadline. You will need a fair
amount of free time to dedicate to this position on a regular basis. You
would preferably be able to attend bi-monthly committee meetings in London,
though this is not essential.

Venue Liaison
Reporting to: Chair
Liaising with: Programming

Your role will be to liaise with the conference venue, keeping them up to
date with our requirements and keeping the committee informed of theirs.

You will also be required to liaise with the conference hotels and take
accommodation bookings and provide room lists to the hotels. You may also be
required to negotiate contracts with new hotels should this be needed.

You will preferably be UK-based as a lot of communication will be required
by telephone, and ideally you would be able to visit the venue. The ability
to attend bi-monthly committee meetings in London is desired but not
required.

Merchandising Officer
Reporting to: Chair
Liaising with: Booking Officer, Graphic Designer, Concept Artist,
Webmistress, Venue Liaison

Your job will be to source, design and order merchandise (though once you've
decided on the technical specifications, the artwork will be designed by our
Graphic Designer). As well as deciding on our requirements, obtaining quotes
and placing orders, you will be responsible for pre-conference sales via the
website. This will require you to receive and process orders, so you will
need to be UK-based and able to post parcels regularly; this may mean that
you need to be able to get to a Post Office during working hours frequently.

You will also be responsible for selling space to vendors at the conference.
This will involve proactive contact as well as fielding enquiries, and
informing Venue Liaison of space requirements.

Vice Chair
Reporting to: Chair
Liaising with: All

Your job will be to keep track of progress, to be the point of contact for
any issues that arise and to collate reports to be made to the Chair. You
will also be responsible for delegating tasks set by the Chair to ensure
that all requirements are met and all ideas are followed through.

You will need to be exceptionally well organised and there is a lot of
nagging and diplomacy required in this position, so applications should not
be made lightly.

The ability to attend bi-monthly committee meetings in London is strongly
desired.

Notes and Application Procedure

All out of pocket expenses incurred in your work for Sectus will be covered,
but you should note that there is no financial reward for any of these
positions. All Sectus committee members are required to pay for their own
conference registration, travel and accommodation as for any other attendee.

Your application should contain the following information:

Name:
Email:
LiveJournal Username (if applicable):
Age as of 19 July 2007:
Location (city/state/country):
Will you be attending Sectus 2007?
What position/s are you applying for?
Education/Employment/Experiences:
(Please tell us a little about your educational background, areas of study,
relevant experience (employment or voluntary) etc.)
Other relevant skills, interests and experiences and important information:
Why do you feel you would be suited to the position?

Applications should be made in writing to Elanor at chair at sectus.org by
Friday, October 20th.

All applications will be held in the strictest confidence. Should you have
any questions, please feel free to email me directly.

Regards

Elanor Isolda
Conference Chair
Sectus 2007

-- 
http://elanor-isolda.livejournal.com

Celebrate the 10th anniversary of Harry Potter in London!  Register now for
Sectus 2007 at http://www.sectus.org


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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 18:27:16 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:27:16 -0400
Subject: History.com: Live webcast Trek auction @ Christie's New York
Message-ID: <1a2738400610051127u31c06ea6m61e95b7afa8469eb@mail.gmail.com>

Over at http://www.history.com/ they have a live webcast of the Star
Trek studio memorabilia auction with a recorded repeat later in the
day.  Kinda interesting as a Trek fan. :-)

Dina



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 19:31:31 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:31:31 -0400
Subject: Disagreeing with mods and concept of fic recs
Message-ID: <1a2738400610051231n5223ab15q9e4a1bb4b64fad02@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Japanese mom, whose first language wasn't English and she
just picked up the language from practical usage over the years, and
maybe that influenced why I have the viewpoint of 'show me the logic'
because I would frequently disagree with her, even at a very young
age.  When we're kids, our first sense of 'authority' would most
likely be from parents.  However, with her asking for my English
understanding and advice, my concept of just... agreeing with an
'authority' figure may have gotten skewered over the years.

C'mon, don't some of y'all miss my debates with mods? ;-) {sound of
silence broken only by crickets}  Okay, maybe not.  Anyway, today's
adventures:
http://community.livejournal.com/spnstoryfinders/135431.html

and the mod's decision:
http://community.livejournal.com/spnstoryfinders/136043.html

Aside from the fact the mod thinks there's two Cs in
recommendation--I'll give leeway he's from South America and English
may not be a first language--the idea to have a monthly gathering of
fic recs in a fic search group doesn't seem efficient.  First, there's
a fic rec group he pointed out and that he says he posts on.  Second,
he said the group doesn't allow requests for fic recs, yet, that's
exactly what he did here:
http://community.livejournal.com/spn_recs/5326.html

And I'm not seeing a mod warning or a warning in the recs community
description against asking for recs.  And third, if a person requests
recs for X pairing/theme, having them split out every month requires
more searching through posts versus a big-ass thematic listing such as
what painless_j did for the HP fandom.

Oh, that's not even including how many folk view fic recs as a simple
'I liked it, go read it'.  Granted, that's essentially a fic rec but
it's also about as useful as going grocery shopping in an
international food market and not knowing a foreign language enough to
understand what the hell you're buying, if there are no 'pretty
pictures' on the outside. {chuckle}

And then I have a reality check:
1) The mod has been nice and polite.
2) Volunteer work in communities sucks because of folk like me who
can't just blindly nod my head in agreement--it has to make sense for
me.
3) I'm a lowly pion in the grand scheme of fandom.
4) And does it ultimately matter whether my f-list gets *once a month*
unwanted fic rec posts, if I'm posting pointless material as well. ;-)

Still, I think it's a badly executed decision by the mod.  It could be
something much better for community members, if only the concept was
tweaked.  Just my $0.02.

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 10:59:54 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:59:54 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes x 2!
Message-ID: <eg5cva+6kbm@eGroups.com>

*takes her time decorating the room, figuring no one will be here for 
a party this early in the morning*

*looks towards the door*

What, some of you are ready for a party *now*? Oh, yeah, different 
time zones and all. D'oh!

We have two belated birthdays to celebrate. The birthday honouree for 
Oct 3 was Michele and for Oct 5 was Kirsten. Belated birthday owls 
can be sent care of this list or directly to Michele at: 
michele56 at earthlink.net and to Kirsten at littletort at gmail.com

I hope you both had wonderful days, filled with fun, joy and magic.

Now, let me just put the finishing touch on this party and we can get 
started.

*turns on the music and brings in beverages, sandwiches and cakes*

Happy Birthday, Michele!
Happy Birthdya, Kirsten!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf






From jamiesonwolf at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 13:39:13 2006
From: jamiesonwolf at gmail.com (Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:39:13 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
Message-ID: <eg5ma1+ripq@eGroups.com>

WOOOHOO! 

Here I am having my morning coffee and I thought "Why don't I check 
to see if the W.O.M.B.A.T. Tests have been marked?" So I went to the 
site, not really expecting anything, but to my great surprise:

THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!! Woohoo! The results for W.O.M.B.A.T. Grade 2 
are in! *does happy dance* I got Acceptable, which is perfectly fine 
with me. I found the second test harder than the first (I got 
Exceeds Expectations on Grade 1). But Acceptable, I'll take that 
anyday. 

The certificate says there's a third, and final, test coming up! I 
can't wait! Do you suppose it'll be at Halloween? Or is that too 
close to the last one? 

To celebrate, I've printed out both my certificates and I'm going to 
frame them! (Robert, my hubby, thinks I'm a freak, but I don't care. 
I'm hanging them in the office!) AND I'm reading Harry Potter and 
the Half Blood Prince again (for the sixth time. LOL) 

What a great way to start the morning! 

Cheers to all,

Jamieson 

Who is still happy dancing. 






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 14:12:37 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:12:37 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5ma1+ripq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eg5o8l+egrs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<jamiesonwolf at ...> wrote:
>
> WOOOHOO! 
> 
> Here I am having my morning coffee and I thought "Why don't I 
check to see if the W.O.M.B.A.T. Tests have been marked?" So I went 
to the site, not really expecting anything, but to my great surprise:
> 
> THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!! Woohoo! The results for W.O.M.B.A.T. Grade 
2 are in! *does happy dance* I got Acceptable, which is perfectly 
fine  with me. I found the second test harder than the first (I got 
> Exceeds Expectations on Grade 1). But Acceptable, I'll take that 
> anyday. 
> 

Tonks:
Thank you so much for reminding me. My memory goes out from time to 
time. WOMBAT.. what is that?  Oh, ya.. 

I held my breath, I felt like Hermione waiting for the OWLS. 

Oh my God!  I can't believe my eyes!!!!  ME!!!  I only got an 
Acceptable on the first one. I thought there is no way that I could 
have even gotten that again. I was sure that I flunked. 

OH ... I am SOOOOOOOO  HAPPY  HAPPY  HAPPY...  I GOT AN EXCEEDS 
EXPETATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just can't believe it!!!!  I wish there was some way to print out 
a picture of the page with the clock on it. I printed a couple 
copies of the certificate.  I don't know how to get a screen shot.

Tonks_op
Turning my hair pink for the occassion!!  So HAPPY!!! Yippy!!!!
Butterbeers all around!!







From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 14:16:57 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Lynn)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:16:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5ma1+ripq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20061006141657.4214.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got Exceeds Expectations which is exactly what the grade did - exceeded all my expectations.  LOL
   
  The certificate says the next test would be in a few months time so I doubt it will be for Halloween.  My guess would be sometime in January or February.  It's always a dreary time of year and that would give all of us something to look forward to.
   
  Cheers,
   
  Lynn

 		
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 14:41:05 2006
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:41:05 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5o8l+egrs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eg5pu1+746g@eGroups.com>

 
> I wish there was some way to print out 
> a picture of the page with the clock on it. I printed a couple 
> copies of the certificate.  I don't know how to get a screen shot.
> 
> Tonks_op

You just do a screen capture: basically, a copy-and-paste of what's 
showing on your monitor.

Find the button on your keyboard that says PrtSc.

Either do Alt-PrtSc or Ctrl-PrtSc.  One captures everything on the 
monitor and the other captures only the top window; I forget which 
is which.  Then open a graphics program (i.e. photoshop or paint) 
and do a paste.

Annemehr,
Exceeding Expectations again, wheeeeeeeeee!







From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 15:21:53 2006
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (lwilliams15209)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:21:53 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5ma1+ripq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eg5sah+psrg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<jamiesonwolf at ...> wrote:
>
> WOOOHOO! 

  I will join you in a rousing chorus of WOOHOO!! I missed the first 
WOMBAT, but tried this round. I got an Exceeds Expectations! I am so 
thrilled and happy right now. It did feel like a Hogwarts student 
waiting for the results of an O.W.L.

  Linda
  will be doing a happy dance the rest of the day now







From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Oct  6 16:03:47 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:03:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5o8l+egrs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6e961$022b4ed0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Wow! Woo-hoo!

I done did it!  Golly-wolly-nozzle-snarf, I got an "Exceeds Expectations!"
I am shocked...expecially since I timed out before finishing the last three
questions!

More Butterbeer for all!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  6 19:17:08 2006
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:17:08 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <000001c6e961$022b4ed0$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <eg6a3k+7ln6@eGroups.com>

Now, I didn't post my results the last time, as I got an Acceptable,
and I wasn't really ... well, let's just say that wasn't exactly
acceptable for me.

Well, this time, I was more than a little unsure of my results - I
mean, this was much less "fact-based", so I couldn't go double check
my answers... my heart was pounding when I went to go get my results...

OUTSTANDING!

Talk about my jaw hitting the floor!

Whoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

-Jen, dancing






From random832 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 20:14:16 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:14:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg6a3k+7ln6@eGroups.com>
References: <000001c6e961$022b4ed0$66a4a8c0@rosie> <eg6a3k+7ln6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50610061314xd7acefagecad0bc3d3711003@mail.gmail.com>

I got 'Exceeds Expectations'.

Now are they ever going to tell us what the answers were? I'd like to
at least know which ones i got wrong.



From phil at pcsgames.net  Fri Oct  6 20:38:38 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:38:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
References: <eg6a3k+7ln6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007701c6e987$6c1acbb0$6600a8c0@phil>

Jennifer Piersol said:
Now, I didn't post my results the last time, as I got an Acceptable,
and I wasn't really ... well, let's just say that wasn't exactly
acceptable for me.

Well, this time, I was more than a little unsure of my results - I
mean, this was much less "fact-based", so I couldn't go double check
my answers... my heart was pounding when I went to go get my results...

OUTSTANDING!

Talk about my jaw hitting the floor!

Whoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

-Jen, dancing

Now Phil:
Do you have a record of your answers? If so can you post them? That would allow the others with lesser scores to find out where they went wrong.
Phil





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From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 02:05:48 2006
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan in the Brit show, 'Extras'
In-Reply-To: <20061004044051.89179.qmail@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061007020548.6675.qmail@web37709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you!!!!!! That is the funniest thing ever! Daniel won't get typecast if people see that one! Love it!
   
  Alex Hogan

kemper mentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
          I stupidly tried to send this video through youtube. My dumb.

I'm usually not the biggest Dan fan, but I appreciate that he's trying to get off with me.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4BxwHRk2U


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From phil at pcsgames.net  Sat Oct  7 12:12:02 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:12:02 -0400
Subject: WOMBAT Outstanding answers
References: <eg6a3k+7ln6@eGroups.com> <007701c6e987$6c1acbb0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <007901c6ea09$d4db39a0$6600a8c0@phil>

W.O.M.B.A.T. OUTSTANDING  answers.
Quibbler received an OUTSTANDING with these answers: 
1. Which of the following statements is TRUE? 
a. Hags eat small children 
 2. Which of the following statements is FALSE?
e. Hags have four toes on each foot 

3. Which of the following are considered MOST dangerous by the Ministry of Magic? 
e. Werewolves 

4. Which of the following are considered AMORTAL (have never died, and can never die) by the Ministry of Magic? 
d. Poltergeists 

5. Which (still unresolved) issue do most historians believe triggered the infamous goblin rebellion of 1612?
c. Wizard refusal to grant goblins the right to carry a wand? 

6. Which of the following statements on giants is TRUE?
e. Many giants are cannibals 

  7. Which of the following statements on house-elves is FALSE? 
c. House-elves cannot be ordered to kill themselves 

8. In a recent Ministry of Magic poll, what was identified as the issue most concerning the wizarding community at the present time? 
b. Insufficient action taken by the Ministry of Magic to fight Lord Voldemort 

9. According to a recent article in the Daily Prophet, which subject at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry has been complained about by parents more than any other (over 100 year period)?
b. Defence Against the Dark Arts 

  10. What percentage of wizards and witches believe that Weather-Modifying Charms should be regulated due to their effect upon the environment? (Figures
collected by the Committee for Experimental Charms) 
c. 53% 

  11. Which health scare at St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries has recently caused widespread panic? (Source: St. Mungo's Admissions Department) 
c. Spate of suspected werewolf bites 

12. What change would 18% of wizards like to see to the requirements for membership of the Wizengamot? (source: Ministry of Magic poll) 
b. Proof of pure-blood status 

  13. Assuming that you already have a wand, which THREE of the following would you consider indispensable in case of trouble? 
b. Broomstick 
i. Invisibility Cloak 
n. Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder 

14. Which of the following is the ONLY magical invention whose effect has not yet been duplicated FULLY by Muggle ingenuity?
d. "reparo" 

15. Which of the following is the ONLY Muggle invention whose effects cannot be duplicated FULLY by magic? 
c. Computer 

16. The following beliefs are all widely held in the wizarding world, but only ONE is actually TRUE. (According to the latest research from the Institute of Muggle Studies) Which is it? 
c. Muggle-born witches/wizards are generally less prone to certain magical illnesses than those who have one or more wizarding parent. 

  17. Which of the following statements is FALSE? (According to the latest research from the Institute of Muggle Studies) 
a. It is possible for a Muggle to produce elementary magic if they have access to a wand and a book of spells 

  18. Muggles are:
d. Insensitive to their surroundings 


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From queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 14:48:46 2006
From: queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com (Maria)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:48:46 -0000
Subject: A Very Frosty Christmas -- G -- HBP art
Message-ID: <eg8eoe+o052@eGroups.com>

Title: A Very Frosty Christmas
Rating: G
Characters: Harry, Rufus Scrimgeour, and the ugly little gnome and 
worm.
Medium: Sketch, Cging. 

LINK: http://teawithvoldy.livejournal.com/227316.html







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 15:55:08 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:55:08 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <007701c6e987$6c1acbb0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <eg8iks+nkt4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Jennifer Piersol said:
> Now, I didn't post my results the last time, as I got an Acceptable,
> and I wasn't really ... well, let's just say that wasn't exactly
> acceptable for me.
> 
> Well, this time, I was more than a little unsure of my results - I
> mean, this was much less "fact-based", so I couldn't go double check
> my answers... my heart was pounding when I went to go get my 
results...
> 
> OUTSTANDING!
> 
> Talk about my jaw hitting the floor!
> 
> Whoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> -Jen, dancing
> 
> Now Phil:
> Do you have a record of your answers? If so can you post them? That 
would allow the others with lesser scores to find out where they went 
wrong.
> Phil
> 

And now Lauren:
Great Job on the OUTSTANDING!!!  I got an 'Acceptable' last time too, 
which was also why I never bothered to mention it (it's like getting 
a "C" isn't it?)  But I got an 'Exceeds Expectations' this time, 
which, isn't OUTSTANDING, but certainly feels better than an 
acceptable.

But is the category 'Exceeds Expectations' a sortof back-handed 
insult?  Like something Snape would say to Harry?  Like, you did 
better than we expected you to do?  Just wondering your thoughts!

And congrats on your great scores!!!! :-)






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 16:28:18 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:28:18 -0000
Subject: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg8iks+nkt4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eg8kj2+vad6@eGroups.com>

> 
> And now Lauren:
> 
> But is the category 'Exceeds Expectations' a sortof back-handed 
> insult?  Like something Snape would say to Harry?  Like, you did 
> better than we expected you to do?  Just wondering your thoughts!
> 

Tonks:

No, Snape is not grading this test!  I think that they expect most of 
us to get an acceptable, so an Exceeds Expectations is good. ;-) a B. 

Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 16:25:34 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:25:34 -0000
Subject: WOMBAT
In-Reply-To: <007901c6ea09$d4db39a0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <eg8kdu+okqm@eGroups.com>

Does anyone have the complete test?  I like to give it to my friends 
who don't have a computer.

Thanks.
Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 17:33:59 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:33:59 -0000
Subject: WOMBAT
In-Reply-To: <eg8kdu+okqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eg8oe7+van3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the complete test?  I like to give it to my friends 
> who don't have a computer.
> 

Tonks:
To answer my own question. I often talk to myself, so nothing new 
here...  The complete test is on Mugglenet.

Tonks_op
 







From mani_1960 at fibertel.com.ar  Sat Oct  7 17:36:46 2006
From: mani_1960 at fibertel.com.ar (Mariana Precedo)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:36:46 -0300
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
References: <eg8iks+nkt4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005701c6ea37$29f598e0$a4aa72c8@z8i2n7>

I got an Exceeds Expectations too!! I couldn't believe it, I just guessed most questions!!
Mariana



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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  8 06:14:43 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:14:43 -0000
Subject: The W.O.M.B.A.T. grade 2- My answers (I think)
Message-ID: <ega50j+55ju@eGroups.com>

Here are my answers, if I remember them all correctly.  What were 
yours?!
~Lauren

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part One:
Magical Beings
(Points available: 35 out of a possible 100)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Which of the following statements is TRUE?
- Hags eat small children
- Inferi cannot speak
- Goblins fear sunlight
X There are no female centaurs
- Vampire bites are curable nowadays

2. Which of the following statements is FALSE?
- Ghosts can cause movement of both liquid and gas
- Freshwater merpeople are less warlike than salt
X The werewolf's snout is shorter than that of the true wolf
- There are no male Veela
- Hags have four toes on each foot

3. Which of the following are considered MOST dangerous by the 
Ministry of Magic?
- Dementors
- Hags
- Inferi
- Vampires
X Werewolves

4. Which of the following are considered AMORTAL (have never died, 
and can never die) by the Ministry of Magic?
- Dementors
- Ghosts
- Inferi
- Poltergeists
X Vampires

5. Which (still unresolved) issue do most historians believe 
triggered the infamous goblin rebellion of 1612?
- Lack of goblin representation on the Wizengamot
X Wizard attempts to enslave goblins and use as house-elves
- Wizard refusal to grant goblins the right to carry a wand
- Attempt of wizards to regain control of Gringotts bank
- Series of brutal goblin-slayings by wizard murderer Yardley Platt

6. Which of the following statements on giants is TRUE?
- Giant clans are matriarchal (females in charge)
- Female giants are usually larger than males
- Giants' eyesight is very poor compared with that of humans
- Giants are nocturnal
X Many giants are cannibals

7. Which of the following statements on house-elves is FALSE?
- House-elves have an average life-expectancy of 200 years
X A house-elf's allegiance is foremost to its house (rather than to 
the inhabitants of the house)
- House-elves cannot be ordered to kill themselves
- House-elves magic is sufficiently powerful to override wizards' 
enchantments
- House-elves breed infrequently and then only with their masters' 
permission

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part Two:
Wizarding Current Affairs
(Points available: 25 out of a possible 100)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

8. In a recent Ministry of Magic poll, what was identified as the 
issue most concerning the wizarding community at the present time?
X Insufficient information given by the Ministry of Magic regarding 
the return of Lord Voldemort
- Insufficient action taken by the MOM to fight Lord Voldemort
- Inadequate MOM resources devoted to the protection of the wizarding 
community
- Over-reaction of MOM to the return of LV which is the best thing 
that happened to the wizarding community in many years

9. According to a recent article in the Daily Prophet, which subject 
at Hogwarts school of Witchcraft and Wizardry has been complained 
about by parents more than any other (over 100 year period)?
- Care of Magical Creatures
X Defense Against the Dark Arts
- History of Magic
- Muggle Studies

10. What percentage of wizards and witches believe that Weather-
Modifying Charms should be regulated due to their effect upon the 
environment? (Figures collected by the Committee of Experimental 
Charms)
- 3%
- 33%
X 53%
- 93%

11. Which health scare at St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies 
and Injuries has recently caused widespread panic? (Source: St. 
Mungo's Admissions Department)
- Suspected brain damage due to the Imperius Curse
- Suspected death due to Thestral sightings
X Spate of suspected werewolf bites
- Uncontrollable bleeding due to 'Nosebleed Nougat'

12. What change would 18% of wizards like to see to the requirements 
for membership of the Wizengamot? (source: MOM poll)
X Average age lowered from 87
- Proof of pure-blood status
- Maximum of three years in post
- Goblin representation

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part Three
Magical Objects
(Points available: 15 out of a possible 100)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

13. Assuming that you already have a wand, which THREE of the 
following would you consider indispensable in case of trouble?
- Anti-Muggle doorknob
- Broomstick
- Cauldron
- Crystal ball
- Extendable ears
- Floo powder
- Foe-Glass
- Hand of Glory
X Invisibility Cloak
- Lunascope
- Omnioculars
- Parchment
- Pensieve
X Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder
- Potion-making kit
- Quick-Quotes quill
- Remembrall
X Revealer
- Scales
- Secrecy Sensor
- Sneakoscope
- Telescope
- Time-Turner
- Two-way mirror
- Wizard's wireless

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Part Four:
Muggle Studies
(points available: 25 out of a possible 100)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

14. Which of the following is the ONLY magical invention whose effect 
has not been duplicated FULLY by Muggle ingenuity?
- Flying broomstick
- Mrs. Skower's All-Purpose Magical Mess Remover
- Omnioculars
X "reparo"
- Self-ironing robes

15. Which of the following is the ONLY Muggle invention whose effects 
cannot be duplicated FULLY by magic?
- Aeroplane
- Car
X Computer
- Telephone
- Television

16. The following beliefs are all widely held in the wizarding world, 
but only ONE is actually TRUE (according to the latest research from 
the Institute of Muggle Studies). Which is it?
X Muggle-born witches/wizards are more likely to produce Squib 
children than those who have one or more wizarding parents
- Muggle-born witches/wizards usually have a witch or wizard ancestor 
somewhere in their family tree, though s/he may be generations back.
- Muggle-born witches/wizards are generally less prone to certain 
magical illnesses than those who have one or more wizarding parent.
- Muggle-born witches/wizards are generally slower to show signs of 
magic in childhood than those who have one or more wizarding parent.
- Muggle-born witches/wizards have great natural rhythm.

17. Which of the following statements is FALSE? (According to the 
latest research form the Institute of Muggle Studies)
- It is possible for a Muggle to produce elementary magic if they 
have access to a wand and a book of spells
- It is possible for a Muggle to inadvertently stumble upon magically 
protected areas such as Diagon Alley and St. Mungo's Hospital for 
Magical Maladies and Injuries
X It is possible for a Muggle to see and correctly identify magical 
creatures
- It is possible for a Muggle to see and yet deny the existence of 
magical creatures, even without magical intervention
- It is possible for a Muggle to believe in impossibilities

18. Muggles are:
X Ignorant
- In danger
- Inferior to wizards
- Insensitive to their surroundings
- Interesting
- Irritating facts of life


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From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Sun Oct  8 09:25:47 2006
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:25:47 -0000
Subject: WOMBAT Outstanding answers
In-Reply-To: <007901c6ea09$d4db39a0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <egag6r+6dt3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at ...> 
wrote:
>
> W.O.M.B.A.T. OUTSTANDING  answers.
> Quibbler received an OUTSTANDING with these answers: 
> 1. Which of the following statements is TRUE? 
> a. Hags eat small children 
>  2. Which of the following statements is FALSE?
> e. Hags have four toes on each foot 
> 
> 3. Which of the following are considered MOST dangerous by the 
Ministry of Magic? 
> e. Werewolves 
> 
> 4. Which of the following are considered AMORTAL (have never died, 
and can never die) by the Ministry of Magic? 
> d. Poltergeists 
> 
> 5. Which (still unresolved) issue do most historians believe 
triggered the infamous goblin rebellion of 1612?
> c. Wizard refusal to grant goblins the right to carry a wand? 
> 
> 6. Which of the following statements on giants is TRUE?
> e. Many giants are cannibals 
> 
>   7. Which of the following statements on house-elves is FALSE? 
> c. House-elves cannot be ordered to kill themselves 
> 
> 8. In a recent Ministry of Magic poll, what was identified as the 
issue most concerning the wizarding community at the present time? 
> b. Insufficient action taken by the Ministry of Magic to fight Lord 
Voldemort 
> 
> 9. According to a recent article in the Daily Prophet, which 
subject at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry has been 
complained about by parents more than any other (over 100 year 
period)?
> b. Defence Against the Dark Arts 
> 
>   10. What percentage of wizards and witches believe that Weather-
Modifying Charms should be regulated due to their effect upon the 
environment? (Figures
> collected by the Committee for Experimental Charms) 
> c. 53% 
> 
>   11. Which health scare at St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical 
Maladies and Injuries has recently caused widespread panic? (Source: 
St. Mungo's Admissions Department) 
> c. Spate of suspected werewolf bites 
> 
> 12. What change would 18% of wizards like to see to the 
requirements for membership of the Wizengamot? (source: Ministry of 
Magic poll) 
> b. Proof of pure-blood status 
> 
>   13. Assuming that you already have a wand, which THREE of the 
following would you consider indispensable in case of trouble? 
> b. Broomstick 
> i. Invisibility Cloak 
> n. Peruvian Instant Darkness Powder 
> 
> 14. Which of the following is the ONLY magical invention whose 
effect has not yet been duplicated FULLY by Muggle ingenuity?
> d. "reparo" 
> 
> 15. Which of the following is the ONLY Muggle invention whose 
effects cannot be duplicated FULLY by magic? 
> c. Computer 
> 
> 16. The following beliefs are all widely held in the wizarding 
world, but only ONE is actually TRUE. (According to the latest 
research from the Institute of Muggle Studies) Which is it? 
> c. Muggle-born witches/wizards are generally less prone to certain 
magical illnesses than those who have one or more wizarding parent. 
> 
>   17. Which of the following statements is FALSE? (According to the 
latest research from the Institute of Muggle Studies) 
> a. It is possible for a Muggle to produce elementary magic if they 
have access to a wand and a book of spells 
> 
>   18. Muggles are:
> d. Insensitive to their surroundings 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hickengruendler:

I simply copied my post from the main group. Maybe if we compare my 
(and hopefully some more) answers with Quibbler's answers, we might 
find out a bit more:

I did the test twice and got one E and one O. And
although I remember mostly which answers I chose, I am not sure which
answers I chose on the first try and which on the second. My
suspicion is, that she used a point system, where the best answer got
maybe 4 or 5 points, and the second best or third best answers still
got some points.

But anyway:

> 1. Which of the following statements is TRUE?
>
> -Hags eat small children
> -Inferi cannot speak
> -Goblins fear sunlight
> -There are no female centaurs
> -Vampire bites are curable nowadays

Inferi cannot speak. The Goblins were in the Three Broomsticks in GoF
interrogating Bagman during the day, and there was no mentioning that
they were afraid of standing near the window or something. I don't
know about the Vampire bites. We haven't seen any female centaurs,
but maybe they are obliged to stay back. Like already mentioned
during this thread, Steve from the Lexicon said, that Hags definitely
eat children according to JKR, therefore I suppose this is the
correct answer, but I chose the Inferi one, because I think they
would loose a lot of their creepiness, if they suddenly started to
talk.

> 2. Which of the following statements is FALSE?
>
> -Ghosts can cause movement of both liquid and gas
> -Freshwater merpeople are less warlike than salt
> -The werewolf's snout is shorter than that of the true wolf
> -There are no male veela
> -Hags have four toes on each foot

Myrtle caused water movement in CoS. And I know there's *some*
difference between the snouts of a wolf and a werewolf. The Veela one
sounded true to me. I had no idea about the other two. I chose once
the merpeople one and once the Hags one.

> 3. Which of the following are considered MOST dangerous by the
> Ministry of Magic?
>
> -Dementors
> -Hags
> -Inferi
> -Vampires
> -Werewolves

Inferi. It was just my gut feeling. The ministry underestimated the
Dementors for quite a long time and thought, they could control them.
They do not seem to think this about the Inferi, therefore that's
what I chose.

> 4. Which of the following are considered AMORTAL (have never died,
> and can never die) by the Ministry of Magic?
>
> -Dementors
> -Ghosts
> -Inferi
> -Poltergeists
> -Vampires
>

Ghosts and Inferi can be ruled out. They died to became ghosts or
Inferi. And normally Vampires a) were once human and died to become
Vampires and b) can be killed. Granted, we don't know if this is the
case in Potterverse as well, but I see no reason, why for example
Sanguini could not die. And I surely hope the Dementors can be killed
somehow. That leaves the Poltergeists. Peeves is definitely not a
real ghost, and he never was a real person, therefore he did not die
to become a Poltergeist. And given what he represents within
Hogwarts, it makes sense to me that he cannot be killed.

> 5. Which (still unresolved) issue do most historians believe
> triggered the infamous goblin rebellion of 1612?
>
> -Lack of goblin representation on the Wizengamot?
> -Wizard attempts to enslave goblins and use as house-elves?
> -Wizard refusal to grant goblins the right to carry a wand?
> -Attempt of wizards to regain control of Gringotts bank
> -Series of brutal goblin-slayings by wizard murderer Yardley Platt

The last one can be ruled out, I think. It's not unresolved. I
haven't heard anything about wizards trying to use goblins as house-
elves, and I think someone would have mentioned it. D sounds unlikely
as well, IMO. I think I voted once for the Wizengamot one and once
for the one with the wands, but I'm not sure anymore. It's also
possible that I voted for one of them both times.

> 6. Which of the following statements on giants is TRUE?
>
> -Giant clans are matriarchal (females in charge)
> -Female giants are usually larger than males
> -Giants' eyesight is very poor compared with that of humans
> -Giants are nocturnal
> -Many giants are cannibals

Not the first one. And I think the second one goes hand in hand with
the first. Didn't Hagrid say, that they often rip off each other's
heads to become the Gurg. Therefore I assume the bigger ones areb in
advance, and that if the female giants were bigger, the clans would
be matriarchal. Grawp was at Dumbledore's funeral, which was during
the day, and I think if the last one were true, Rita Skeeter would
have mentioned it in her article about Hagrid, or Hagrid would have
mentioned it during his tale in Ootp. That leaves the third option.

> 7. Which of the following statements on house-elves is FALSE?
>
> -House-elves have an average life-expectancy of 200 years
> -A house-elf's allegiance is foremost to its house (rather than to
> the inhabitants of the house)
> -House-elves cannot be ordered to kill themselves
> -House-elf magic is sufficiently powerful to override wizards
> enchantments
> -House-elves breed infrequently and then only with their master's
> permission

Kreacher is bound to oblige Harry, even though Harry doesn't live in
GP12. Therefore I chose the answer with the house.

> 8. In a recent Ministry of Magic poll, what was identified as the
> issue most concerning the wizarding community at the present time?
>
> -Insufficient information given by Ministry of Magic regarding the
> return of Lord Voldemort
> -Insufficient action taken by Ministry of Magic to fight Lord
> Voldemort
> -Inadequate Ministry of Magic resources devoted to the protection
of
> the wizarding community
> -Over-reaction of the Ministry of Magic to the return of Lord
> Voldemort, which is the best thing that has happened to the
> wizarding community in many years

I voted one time for the lack of information and one time for the
lack of action. No specific reasons, but both seems very likely to me.

> 9. According to a recent article in the Daily Prophet, which
subject
> at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry has been complained
> about by parents more than any other (over 100 year period)?
>
> -Care of Magical Creatures
> -Defense Against the Dark Arts
> -History of Magic
> -Muggle Studies

Care of Magical Creatures. Didn't Hagrid's predecessor retire because
he wanted to enjoy life with his remaining limbs? That does not sound
as if the danger of the subject is *solely* Hagrid's fault.

> 10. What percentage of wizards and witches believe that Weather-
> Modifying Charms should be regulated due to their effect upon the
> environment? (Figures collected by Committee for Experimental
Charms)
> - 3%
> - 33%
> - 53%
> - 93%

Don't know. I went with 33% on my first try and 53% on my second try,
simply because they were in the middle. I've no idea, really.

> 11. Which health scare at St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies
> and Injuries has recently caused widespread panic? (Source: St.
> Mungo's Admissions Department)
>
> -Suspected brain damage due to Imperius Curse
> -Suspected death due to Thestral sightings
> -Spate of suspected werewolf bits
> -Uncontrollable bleeding due to 'Nosebleed Nougat'

Werewolf bites. With Fenrir at large (even though he probably isn't
after the end of HBP, but he was until then), this seems to be the
most likely cause for panic.

> 12. What change would 18% of wizards like to see to the
requirements
> for membership of the Wizengamot? (Source: Ministry of Magic poll)
>
> -Average age lowered from 87
> -Proof of pure-blood status
> -Maximum of three years in post
> -Goblin representation

Really, it could be all of this, except the one about Goblin
representation, IMO. I do not think that 18% of the wizarding society
care about Goblin rights. It's IMO more likely, that these is the
number of fanatic purebloods. But I still chose the first answer,
because this is exactly the kind of ironic comparison to our real
world JKR would make. I mean, doesn't the average age of those groups
in our world sometimes seem like 87 as well? ;-)

> 13. Assuming that you already have a wand, which THREE of the
> following would you consider indispensable in case of trouble?

I chose the cloak and the broom both times and once the sneakoscope
and the other time the foe glass. In retrospective, the for glass
might be more useful, since it warns you, when the enemy is
approaching, while the Sneakoscope only rings, when he's around.

> 14. Which of the following is the ONLY magical invention whose
> effect has not yet been duplicated FULLY by Muggle ingenuity?
>
> -Flying broomstick
> -Mrs. Skower's All-Purpose Magical Mess Remover
> -Omnioculars
> -"reparo"
> -Self-ironing robes

Reparo.

> 15. Which of the following is the ONLY Muggle invention whose
> effects cannot be duplicated FULLY by magic?
>
> -Aeroplane
> -Car
> -Computer
> -Telephone
> -Television

The Computer. We haven't seen a Television either, but given what we
know about the magic, it could easily be invented by a combination of
a few wizarding items we know.

> 16. The following beliefs are widely held in the wizarding world,
> but only ONE is actually TRUE. (According to the latest research
> from the Institute of Muggle Studies) Which is it?
>
> -Muggleborn witches/wizards are more likely to produce Squib
> children than those who have one or more wizarding parents.
> -Muggleborn witches/wizards usually have a witch or wizard ancestor
> somewhere in their family tree, though s/he may be generations back.
> -Muggleborn witches/wizards are generally less prone to certain
> magical ilnesses than those who have one or more wizarding parent.
> -Muggleborn witches/wizards are generally slower to show signs of
> magic in childhood than those who have one or more wizarding
parents.
> -Muggleborn witches/wizards have great natural rhythm.

I chose the one with the magical illnesses. Maybe the Muggle Gene can
stop them from breaking out.

> 17. Which of the following statements is FALSE? (According to the
> latest research from the Institute of Muggle Studies)
>
> -It is possible for a Muggle to produce elementary magic if they
> have access to a wand and a book of spells.
> -It is possible for a Muggle to inadvertently stumble upon
magically
> protected areas such as Diagon Alley and St. Mungo's Hospital for
> Magical Maladies and Injuries.
> -It is possible for a Muggle to see and correctly identify magical
> creatures.
> -It is possible for a Muggle to see and yet deny the existence of
> magical creatures, even without magical intervention.
> -It is possible for a Muggle to believe in impossibilities

I'm pretty sure the first one is false. Didn't JKR answer this
recently?

> 18. Muggle are:
>
> -Ignorant
> -In danger
> -Inferior to wizards
> -Insensitive to their surroundings
> -Interesting
> -Irritating facts of life

Muggles are in danger.

Hickengruendler








From phil at pcsgames.net  Sun Oct  8 11:52:19 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:52:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The W.O.M.B.A.T. grade 2 points
References: <ega50j+55ju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012901c6ead0$3b8f1dd0$6600a8c0@phil>

I have a theory on the scoring for the WOMBAT 2 test.
With the first 7 questions having 35 points available out of a possible 100, and question 13 having 15 points, this means there are a total of 20 possible answers with each answer worth 5 points.
So to get Outstanding you would need to have 17 to 20 answers correct for 85 to 100 points.
For Exceeds Expectations, you would need 13 to 16 correct for 65 to 80 points
  For acceptable you would need  9 to 12 answers correct for  45 to 60 points.
For Poor, you would need 5  to 8 answers correct for  25 to 40 points.
For Dreadful, you would need  1 to 4 answers correct for  5 to 20 points.
For Troll, 0 correct for 0 points.


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  8 18:08:37 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:08:37 -0000
Subject: The W.O.M.B.A.T. grade 2- My answers
In-Reply-To: <ega50j+55ju@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egber5+onmh@eGroups.com>

OK is someone comparing all of these?

I got an EE. Here are my answers:

1. Inferi cannot speak

2. don't remember, but might have been the merpeople one.

3. Werewolfs

4. Poltergeists

5. refusal to grant goblins the right to carry wands.

6. Giants eyesight is very poor compared with humans. (I thought Hagrid 
said something about that. I will have to read it again.)

7. A house-elf's allegiance is foremmost to its house.

8. Insufficient action taken by the MOM to fight LV.

9. DADA

10. ? 3 or 33?

11. Spate of suspected werewolf bites

12. average age lowered from 87

13. broomstick, invisibility cloak, peruvian instant darkness powder.

14. reparo

15. computer

16. Muggle borns are less prone to certain magical illnesses...

17. it is possible for a Muggle to produce elementary magic if they 
have access to a wand and a book of spells

18. insensitive to their surroundings

Tonks_op







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Oct  9 18:35:58 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:35:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!
In-Reply-To: <eg5o8l+egrs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE019NqvFnXjo00000747@compdevsys.com>

I'm so disappointed....I thought there would be more time to take them...
and now the door says Do Not disturb.
 
Darn work/life for getting in the way!
 
Michelle 
 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tonks
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:13 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: THE RESULTS ARE IN!!! THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Jamieson Wolf Villeneuve" 
<jamiesonwolf at ...> wrote:
>
> WOOOHOO! 
> 
> Here I am having my morning coffee and I thought "Why don't I 
check to see if the W.O.M.B.A.T. Tests have been marked?" So I went 
to the site, not really expecting anything, but to my great surprise:
> 
> THE RESULTS ARE IN!!!! Woohoo! The results for W.O.M.B.A.T. Grade 
2 are in! *does happy dance* I got Acceptable, which is perfectly 
fine with me. I found the second test harder than the first (I got 
> Exceeds Expectations on Grade 1). But Acceptable, I'll take that 
> anyday. 
> 

Tonks:
Thank you so much for reminding me. My memory goes out from time to 
time. WOMBAT.. what is that? Oh, ya.. 

I held my breath, I felt like Hermione waiting for the OWLS. 

Oh my God! I can't believe my eyes!!!! ME!!! I only got an 
Acceptable on the first one. I thought there is no way that I could 
have even gotten that again. I was sure that I flunked. 

OH ... I am SOOOOOOOO HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY... I GOT AN EXCEEDS 
EXPETATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just can't believe it!!!! I wish there was some way to print out 
a picture of the page with the clock on it. I printed a couple 
copies of the certificate. I don't know how to get a screen shot.

Tonks_op
Turning my hair pink for the occassion!! So HAPPY!!! Yippy!!!!
Butterbeers all around!!



 


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From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  9 18:45:12 2006
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:45:12 +0100
Subject: Announcement: Sectus link up with Fiction Alley
Message-ID: <6493bc80610091145k645c2691m7616a8229dfa7533@mail.gmail.com>

Take a stroll down Fiction Alley in London!

Sectus are pleased to announce an exciting partnership with Fiction Alley,
the largest fanfiction site in the Harry Potter fandom.

For the duration of Sectus 2007, Fiction Alley will not be an alley at all,
but a room dedicated to promoting creativity in the fandom.

Fiction Alley will play host to creative writing workshops, live fiction
readings and opportunities for informal discussions and meetups. There will
also be drabble booths, where writers from within fandom will be on hand to
turn your ideas into short works of fiction. And for the artistically
inclined, drawble booths will be the place to visit to have your vision
turned into a piece of art.

"We're thrilled to support Sectus," says Fiction Alley's Heidi Tandy, "and
this will be a wonderful creative outlet for the fans."

"Creativity is a huge part of fandom, and often an underestimated one," adds
Llama of the Sectus Programming Team. "Fiction Alley will provide a central
location for those who are inspired by the Harry Potter books, and this will
run alongside the academic stream of the conference."

Have any ideas that would be suitable for Fiction Alley? You can get
involved by submitting a proposal for a workshop, discussion or other event
to submissions at sectus.org. Almost any format can be arranged ? in keeping
with the theme of Fiction Alley, the only limit is your imagination!

**

Sectus 2007 is an unofficial Harry Potter conference taking place in London,
England from July 19-22 2007. Registration is now open, and the special rate
of ?45 is available only until 31st October 2006. For more information,
visit www.sectus.org

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**

This press release can be found in .doc, .rtf and .pdf formats at
www.sectus.org/press.php

If you have any queries or would like to receive copies of all press
releases automatically, please email me directly.

All the best,

Elanor Isolda
Conference Chair
Sectus 2007

--
http://elanor-isolda.livejournal.com

Celebrate the tenth anniversary of the Harry Potter series in the country
where it all began!  Visit http://www.sectus.org for details.


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 20:51:03 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:51:03 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <egecnn+of3h@eGroups.com>

Just stumbled upon this:

http://www.hpana.com/forums/topic_view.cfm?tid=51301&p=5

It is so true.. they say that "Snape didn't kill DD, Michael Gambon 
did".

I really do worry about the films and their effect on the viewers of 
the future. DD is someone we are to look to as a model of the 
wisest, kindest, most holy of men. He is the closest thing to God in 
the series and THIS is how he is protrayed by Hollywood!!  
Idiots!!!  GOF would have been perfect if it were not for that man. 
And I blame the writer and director too. Why didn't JKR just tell 
them, DD is like God or like a great Saint. Maybe they would 
have 'gotten it' then.  But no, now we are left with an idiot for 
DD. How is the world going to grieve the death of this DD?  Too bad 
Harris didn't hang in there a few more years. That would have been 
perfect. He was so perfect for the part. And there are other British 
actors that could have replaced him far better than this man!!

I had hoped that the HP films would become classics like many of the 
old ones are. But not with this actor as the most gifted, wisest and 
powerful wizard of all time. Give me a break!! The man didn't even 
know that Harry didn't put his name in the cup. And grabbing Harry 
and shaking him made DD look worse that Uncle Vernon, for God's 
sake!!

I don't know why WB just can't get it right. There is a moral here 
somewhere, that money isn't everything. They should look for the 
teaching impact that these films can have on the children of the 
world instead of how much money will line their pockets. This is the 
chance of a lifetime to have a real impact on the moral development 
of large segments of the world's children and I think that they have 
blown it. Pity, because something like Harry Potter will not come 
around again in our lifetime.

Tonks_op








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 03:24:45 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:24:45 -0000
Subject: Something wacky with Yahoo groups
Message-ID: <egf3pt+30fk@eGroups.com>

Well here we go again. Has anyone noticed that if you are reading a 
thread you can not go up and click on the 'message' tap to go back to 
the main list? 

Tonks_op







From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 04:57:34 2006
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (once_red78)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:57:34 -0000
Subject: Something wacky with Yahoo groups
In-Reply-To: <egf3pt+30fk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egf97u+7o3d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> Well here we go again. Has anyone noticed that if you are reading a 
> thread you can not go up and click on the 'message' tap to go back  
> to the main list? 
> 
> Tonks_op

Mike:
Yeah, I've just discovered this great *improvement*, huh?
I've also been having a problem with "right clicking" while I'm 
composing posts. Anyone else having this problem?

And has anyone been able to figure out the order and indentation 
pattern on the threads once they exceed about 10 posts?






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 06:44:30 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:44:30 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <egecnn+of3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egffge+m94v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> Just stumbled upon this:
> 
> http://www.hpana.com/forums/topic_view.cfm?tid=51301&p=5
> 
> It is so true.. they say that "Snape didn't kill DD, 
> Michael Gambon did".
> 
> ... Too bad Harris didn't hang in there a few more 
> years. That would have been perfect. He was so perfect 
> for the part. And there are other British actors that 
> could have replaced him far better than this man!!
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Tonks_op
>

boyminn:

Of course, Harris was perfect for the role. He had the
class and the gentle manner that typified Dumbledore to
at tee. 

Other that him, I think the best bet would have been to go
with Patrick Stewart (Captain Jean-Luc Picard) or Ian 
McKellen. Both of whom have a serious side but also have
that same bit of whimsy and gentleness that made Harris
so perfect. All of the suggested actors could play 
both hard and soft with equal intensity. Gambon may be a
good actor in general but he doesn't 'get' Dumbledore, 
and it would help if he would actually take the time 
to read the books, or it would help if the director
and/or producers would make an effort at getting a good
and accurate performance out of him.

Sadly though, I think we are stuck with him, but I 
question whether Gambon can made Dumbledore sympathetic 
enough that I will actually care when he dies. 

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn







From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 15:11:41 2006
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:11:41 -0000
Subject: The W.O.M.B.A.T. grade 2 points
In-Reply-To: <012901c6ead0$3b8f1dd0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <eggd7d+d0cg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at ...> wrote:
>
> I have a theory on the scoring for the WOMBAT 2 test.
<snip>
> So to get Outstanding you would need to have 17 to 20 answers 
correct for 85 to 100 points.

Such a logical impulse, my dear.  Which is probably why it has no 
place in the wacky wizarding world of WOMBATS.

See my #159340 on the Main.

T






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 16:45:47 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:45:47 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
Message-ID: <egginr+lgqs@eGroups.com>

Most of you have noticed by now that on most Group screens the
'Messages' menu item on the left has been disabled. One of Yahoo's
better ideas (he said with extreme sarcasm).

This is extremely annoying and makes it impossible to move from a
single message back to the main Message List. It also makes it
difficult to reload and refresh the message list to see if new
messages have arrived.

Another of Yahoo's better ideas (again, sarcastic) is to have the
original 'sort' in descending order (newest at the top). That is good
when you first come to the group; you see right away that there are
new messages, but I want to read them Oldest to Newest. The quickest
way to resort them into ascending order (oldest at the top) was to
simply select the 'Messages' menu item, but, of course now, that
doesn't work because 'Messages' is disabled.

This is primarily a problem for those who use the Web interface to
read and send messages, but it is extremely annoying and a rather
pointless and purposeless change to the groups.

Consequently I would appreciate everyone sending feedback to Yahoo and
complaining about what a pointless change this was, and requesting the
all menu items remain active at all times.

Yahoo has made it very difficult to give direct feedback, but here is
a link directly to a feedback form. IF we complain, the WILL change it
back. When they previously redesign the interface, our complaints got
them to reinstate several features and made several changes. So, it
does work. 

Please help.

http://search2.cc.scd.yahoo.com/cct_search.php?brand=yahoo&ui_mode=get_page&property=&charset=&language=en&page=user_comments&prior_transaction_id=512063&

If this link does not work, at the top and bottom of every page you
will see a link to 'Help'. Select this and in the Search Text Box,
search for 'feedback'. When the search results page appears, on the
right, select 'Not Even Close' from the list of how effectively this
answered your questions. This will take you to the Feedback Form.

If you don't complain, you can't expect changes to occur. 

Thanks for the help.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 17:05:08 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:05:08 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egginr+lgqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eggjs4+9vm3@eGroups.com>

New Link to Feedback Form

This is Yahoo's standard general purpose feedback form.

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/groups/cgi_feedback

NOTE: There is a check mark at the bottom below the feedback Text Box
that says -

"Yahoo!, and survey partners working on behalf of Yahoo!, may contact
me to participate in customer satisfaction surveys."

If you do not want to participate in their Surveys, then UNCHECK this box.

Steve/bboyminn






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 17:00:59 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:00:59 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egginr+lgqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eggjkb+beht@eGroups.com>

A simple brief to-the-point suggested cut-and-paste message to Yahoo
Feedback.

------------------------------------------
RE: Changes to Yahoo Groups Menu - 'Messages' Disabled

A recent change to Yahoo Groups has resulted in the 'Message' Menu
Item being inactive on most screens or group pages. This seems a
pointless change and makes using the Groups Web Interface more
difficult, and I would request that it be changed back so all Menu
Items are active All The Time.

Regards
'name'
'city,state'
'Yahoo email address or username'
------------------------------------------

Highlight the text between the dashed lines and paste it into the
Feedback Form. You can add more examples of how this recent change
makes things more difficult if you want to, but the core of the
complaint and the solution are clearly state in the one suggested
paragraph above.

Thanks for your support.

Steve/bboyminn









From talisman22457 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 18:00:02 2006
From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:00:02 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <eggk45+42dn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eggn32+111gf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> A simple brief to-the-point suggested cut-and-paste message to 
Yahoo Feedback.

<snip>

FYI, bboy, Four other groups that I belong to have normal "Message" 
links, but greyed out "Home" links.

Two that I own show extended options including a "Spam?" category 
and two indented "Pending" links.

I suggest that the problem with any links, your "Message" link 
included, is more likely a transitory error than an intentional 
change.

Probably doesn't need a snarky rebuke.  I imagine they are trying to 
fix it even as we type.

Talisman







From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 10 18:48:37 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:48:37 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <eggjs4+9vm3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eggpu5+r2ae@eGroups.com>

Just FYI:
There's a much easier route to the Feedback form.
Simply click on the big Yahoo!Groups logo, or the GroupsHome link at 
the top of any page.
The feedback form is at the bottom of that page.

and I sent them a little note already.  They really do respond to 
feedback, and it needn't be formal or critical.  I simply said, Hey I 
used that link! Can I have it back, please? ;-)






From zanelupin at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 02:51:21 2006
From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:51:21 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <eggn32+111gf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eghm79+jeld@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> > A simple brief to-the-point suggested cut-and-paste message to 
> Yahoo Feedback.

Talisman wrote:

> FYI, bboy, Four other groups that I belong to have 
> normal "Message" links, but greyed out "Home" links.
> 
> Two that I own show extended options including a "Spam?" category 
> and two indented "Pending" links.

KathyK:

The "Spam?" category has been there for a while now, since the last 
major change to the groups (I have a very poor sense of time and I 
can't remember when that was--a couple months ago, perhaps?).  I 
show three indented "Pending" links, one for Messages, Photos, and 
Members.  These were already present.  

While visiting the home page of any of my groups, "Home" is greyed 
out.  When I click on "Messages" "Home" is active again.  Whatever 
link I click on is greyed out once I've done so.  

Talisman:

> I suggest that the problem with any links, your "Message" link 
> included, is more likely a transitory error than an intentional 
> change.

KathyK:

Oh, I sure do hope so.  I use those links all the time to get back 
to the main Message, Member, etc.. pages of my Yahoo Groups and I do 
miss them dearly already. 

KathyK








From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Wed Oct 11 12:17:07 2006
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:17:07 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egginr+lgqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eginc3+n2ru@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
[snip]
> Another of Yahoo's better ideas (again, sarcastic) is
> to have the original 'sort' in descending order
> (newest at the top). That is good when you first
> come to the group; you see right away that there
> are new messages, but I want to read them Oldest
> to Newest. The quickest way to resort them into
> ascending order (oldest at the top) was to simply
> select the 'Messages' menu item, but, of course now,
> that doesn't work because 'Messages' is disabled.
[snip]

Click on "Sort by date", and it will reverse the order in which the 
messages are displayed - i.e., if it shows the newest messages on 
top, clicking on "Sort by date" will result in the newest messages 
being at the bottom.  The link labelled "Sort by date" is just above 
the message-list (in the same white field), right above the column 
where the timestamps of the messages are shown.

Best regards
Christian Stub?





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 19:35:02 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:35:02 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egginr+lgqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egjh16+kptr@eGroups.com>

---  "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Most of you have noticed by now that on most Group screens the
> 'Messages' menu item on the left has been disabled. One of Yahoo's
> better ideas (he said with extreme sarcasm).
> 
> This is extremely annoying and makes it impossible to move from a
> single message back to the main Message List. It also makes it
> difficult to reload and refresh the message list to see if new
> messages have arrived.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

bboyminn:

I did get a response from Yahoo to my complaint. They asked for a more
detailed explanation of the problem I am encountering, so they do seem
to be taking the problem seriously. 

I gave a my explanation in a clear and concise a format as possible
and emailed it back to them. Hopefully, it will have some effect and
the problem will be corrected soon.

By the way the same problem is occurring in Internet Explorer and
FireFox browses, so I know the problem isn't unique to SeaMonkey
(formerly Mozilla Suite). 

Here is my response to their request for information -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Yahoo Groups Support,

Requested information-

-The Messages Menu that you are referring to
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
This happens in every group I am a member of but we will
use 'HPforGrownups' as an example.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/

On the Left Side just below the Group 'title bar' is the
Main Groups Menu containing -

Home
Messages
Post
Files
Photos
Links
Database
Polls
Members
Calandar

The same information I am about to relate seems to hold
true regardless of which Menu Item I select. But the one
that I used most often is the 'Messages' Menu Item.


-The detailed steps you have taken leading up to the
event of your concern
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

On the Home screen the 'Messages' Menu selection is active.
However, if you select 'Messages' and go the the Main
Message List, 'Messages' is no longer active. That prevents
me from reloading the Main Messages List to see if new
messages have arrive.

Now select any individual message from the Main Messages
List, and on the individual message screen, 'Messages' is
still inactive, and that prevents me from moving from an
individual message /back/ to the Main Message List.

Note: This is also true of the 'Photos' Menu Items. If I go
to the Main 'Photos' List page, 'Photos' is inactive and I
can't reload the page using the 'Photos' menu item. If I
choose an individual Photo or Album and select it, the
'Photos' menu item is still inactive and that prevents me
from going back to the 'Main Photos List' page.

The same holds true for the 'Files' menu item. If I select
the 'Files' folder, then the 'Files' menu item is inactive.
If I select a 'Files' subfolder or a specific file, the
'Files' menu item is inactive and I have no way to get back
to the Main 'Files' List.


-The exact copy of the error message that you've received
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

No Error Message is recieved at any time.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I can understand that some programmer may have logically
concluded that you don't need the menu item of the page you
are currently on. For example, why have the 'Home' menu
item active when you are on the 'Home' page. 

But that is a flawed assumption. 

Having the 'Home' menu item active when I am on the 'Home'
page allows me to quickly and easily reload the 'Home'
page.
This is even more true of the other Menu Items. 

There is no reason to ever inactivate any Menu Item, that
active Menu Item is usefull and creates an enhanced user
experience.

Therefore All Menu Items should be active All The Time.


If you need more information, please feel free to contact
me.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Someone hinted that this might be a random problem; is there anyone
who is NOT experiencing this problem?


Christian Stub? suggested a work-around for my sorting problem, and
there is a work-around for nearly every problem, but why should I have
to 'work-around' when I have a menu on the top right ready and waiting
to be used --- if only it was active. 

Though, I do appreciate Christian Stub? suggestion. There is also a
'Message List' selection about the message text box near the top right
side of a individual message screen that will take you back to the
Main Message List. That works but using the main menu was much
smoother and more intuitive. Again, I can find ways to get by, but why
should have have my selections limited to 'get by', when again the
main menu is right there and easy to use? 

Just a few thoughts. And again, I do appreciate Christian Stub?
suggestion, I don't want to come off too snarky here.

Steve/bboyminn





From generalmanda at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 23:03:57 2006
From: generalmanda at yahoo.com (Manda)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:03:57 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
Message-ID: <egjt8t+cnp0@eGroups.com>

Hello HP4GU!!

hp-ohio (an adult fan group based in Ohio) is putting on a Yule
Ball!  That's right folks, a fully fledged ball open to the general
public! We hope that some of the members of HP4GU will join us to
celebrate the season and, of course, Harry-addiction.  The link below
has all of the details - directions, lodging, tickets, etc.

Link: http://www.hp-ohio.com/crystalball.html

The Crystal Ball will be held on Friday, December 1st, 2006 from 7pm
until 1am at the Landoll's Mohican Castle Event Center. We've had a
great experience working with the staff at the castle and they are
really excited to be working with us to set up this event!

For lodging we have contacted two other hotels/resorts near the
castle to provide a variety of cost levels. We are getting an awesome
deal at Landoll's Castle ? 50% off of the room cost! These are amazing
rooms! The other two hotels are also very nice, clean and close by!  We
will be providing a shuttle service between all 3 during the event so
folks staying there will not have to drive.

As for the actual ball - a full course dinner buffet will be served
followed by dessert and dancing.  There will also be a cash bar for
those wishing to celebrate with some spirits.  A photographer will
be on site to take photos, and a horse drawn carriage will be available
to take couples or groups around the grounds.

We look forward to creating a wonderful event for our members and
other fans! Please email crystalball at hp-ohio with questions,
comments or any other feedback! Thanks!

Manda





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Thu Oct 12 00:53:11 2006
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:53:11 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egjh16+kptr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egk3ln+rmuh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
[snip]
> Christian Stub? suggested a work-around for my sorting problem

It's not a work-around, it's a setting, which allows users to set the 
message sorting and viewing to their preference.  In addition to 
options for forwards or backwards sorting, there are links in the 
same area to allow one to select simple listings (with only 
subjects), summaries (where one sees the first few words of the 
messages), or extended listing, where the entirety of the messages 
are seen, and one can choose between chrnological or topical viewing 
of the messages.

Noen of those settings are new, but it does seem Yahoo reset the 
settings for all users.  

Best regards
Christian Stub?





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 12 03:32:41 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:32:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <egjt8t+cnp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c6edaf$1333cf20$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Wow!  Sounds like it would be a true Potteresque experience!  Unfortunately,
Art will be in a transient state, so to speak, trying to get his glasses
readjusted after cataract surgery.  Have some chocolate for us!

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 06:56:08 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:56:08 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egk3ln+rmuh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egkou9+ogcm@eGroups.com>

--- , "pengolodh_sc" <pengolodh_sc at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
> [snip]
> > Christian Stub? suggested a work-around for my sorting
> problem ...
> 
> It's not a work-around, it's a setting, which allows 
> users to set the message sorting and viewing to their 
> preference.  ...
> 
> Noen of those settings are new, but it does seem Yahoo 
> reset the settings for all users.  
> 
> Best regards
> Christian Stub?
>

bboyminn:

Not quite, at least with my browsers "Sort By Date' 
doesn't stick. It is active as long as a given 
message/message list is active but the next time 
I come to the group it has changed back to the default.

With the old version of Yahoo Groups, I could select
'Threaded' or 'By Date' and it would stick and stay 
that way each time I accessed Yahoo Groups. 

I don't mind that it starts with Newest on Top, that
gives me a quick view of whether new posts have 
occurred and roughly how many their are, but once I
see that, I then want them to sort and stay sorted 
by 'newest last'. The simplest way to do that /was/
to select 'Messages' and that would remove the forced
sort, and set everything back to no sort, which is 
effectvely 'accending sort'. 

I know I can accomplish that with the main list by 
selecting 'Sort By Date', but I have a main menu, I
should be able to use it. It is a matter of logic as
well as a matter of function, there is no logical or
functional reason to shut off the menu items.

As I said on some pages just above the top of the message
text box/frame is an item 'Message List' that will bring 
up the Main Message List, but it brings it up with the
current message at the top of the list. Usually when I
want to go back to the Message List, I want to return to
the end of the Main Message List. The simplest way to do
that /was/ to select 'Messages' from the Main Menu.

So, it is not that I can't find 'work-arounds' and yes 
that is exactly what they are, it that I shouldn't have
to. The Main Menu is there, why shouldn't I be able to
use it? Again, it goes to the logic of disabling the
menu items, and in the end, there is no logic to it.

Yahoo will only fix the problem if they get complaints,
and they will only get complaints if people respond when
a problem occurs. During their last major change to the
groups format, we got them to make several changes and
reinstate several features that they had deleted. 

So, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Please squeak.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 15:29:17 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:29:17 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <egjt8t+cnp0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egln0d+25d6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Manda" <generalmanda at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hello HP4GU!!
> 
> hp-ohio (an adult fan group based in Ohio) is putting on a Yule
> Ball!  That's right folks, a fully fledged ball open to the general
> public! We hope that some of the members of HP4GU will join us to
> celebrate the season and, of course, Harry-addiction.  The link 
below
> has all of the details - directions, lodging, tickets, etc.
> 
> Link: http://www.hp-ohio.com/crystalball.html
> 
> The Crystal Ball will be held on Friday, December 1st, 2006 from 
7pm
> until 1am at the Landoll's Mohican Castle Event Center. We've had a
> great experience working with the staff at the castle and they are
> really excited to be working with us to set up this event!
> 
> For lodging we have contacted two other hotels/resorts near the
> castle to provide a variety of cost levels. We are getting an 
awesome
> deal at Landoll's Castle ? 50% off of the room cost! These are 
amazing
> rooms! The other two hotels are also very nice, clean and close 
by!  We
> will be providing a shuttle service between all 3 during the event 
so
> folks staying there will not have to drive.
> 
> As for the actual ball - a full course dinner buffet will be served
> followed by dessert and dancing.  There will also be a cash bar for
> those wishing to celebrate with some spirits.  A photographer will
> be on site to take photos, and a horse drawn carriage will be 
available
> to take couples or groups around the grounds.
> 
> We look forward to creating a wonderful event for our members and
> other fans! Please email crystalball at hp-ohio with questions,
> comments or any other feedback! Thanks!
> 
> Manda

Oh this sounds like so much fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group 
in NJ like this!!

I hope you guys have a great time!  Please post photos!!





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 16:15:39 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:15:39 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes x 3!
Message-ID: <eglpnb+cqth@eGroups.com>

*hangs streamers, blows up balloons and re-arranges the comfy chairs 
closer to the fireplace now that cooler weather has arrived*

Yes, I'm late again. But I have a good excuse this time. What? You 
didn't notice the sudden influx of new members that have been keeping 
us List Elves busy? ;)

Missed birthdays this week were Paula on the 9th and Grey Wolf and 
Cristel yesterday. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this 
list or directly to Paula at: paulag5777 at yahoo.com, Grey Wolf at: 
grey.wolf.c at gmail.com and Cristel at: cristelmc at yahoo.com

I hope you all had wonderful days, filled with excellent company and 
much joy and magic.

Happy Birthday, Paula!
Happy Birthday, Grey Wolf!
Happy Birthday, Cristel!

No, I've not forgotten the fun party of these gatherings!

*turns up the music and brings in the drinks, nibblies and cakes*

See, I didn't forget. :)

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 12 16:32:04 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:32:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <egln0d+25d6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c6ee1b$f3c88410$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[laurenmcoakley wrote]:
| Oh this sounds like so much fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group 
| in NJ like this!!

[Lee]:
We'll just have to start one, huh? :-)  Where are you in NJ?

Cheers,

Lee in Madison (Not far from the Seeing Eye Guide Dog School in Morristown.)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 19:47:35 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:47:35 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <001701c6ee1b$f3c88410$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <egm64n+nhk3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is 
the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [laurenmcoakley wrote]:
> | Oh this sounds like so much fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a 
group 
> | in NJ like this!!
> 
> [Lee]:
> We'll just have to start one, huh? :-)  Where are you in NJ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee in Madison (Not far from the Seeing Eye Guide Dog School in 
Morristown.)
> 
> Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
> I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
> Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at ... (or)
> I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at ...
> Walk beside me, and be my friend.

Lee,
Well, I live in Roselle Park (Union County, exit 137 on the 
Parkway), but I am familiar with Madison (my parakeets' vet is in 
Madison).  At least were in Northen NJ together!  Lee, if you are 
serious, I think we should try to start one too.  If not this year, 
then next maybe?

Lauren





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Oct 13 00:03:44 2006
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:03:44 -0000
Subject: Change to Groups Menu Items - 'Message' disabled
In-Reply-To: <egkou9+ogcm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egml50+jkff@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
> bboyminn:
> 
> Not quite, at least with my browsers "Sort By Date' 
> doesn't stick. It is active as long as a given 
> message/message list is active but the next time 
> I come to the group it has changed back to the default.
[snip]

pengolodh_sc/Christian:
I just realised why the settings don't stick - as I just encountered 
it suddenly not sticking for me, and managed to replicate how it 
happened.  

After having changed the sorting of the messages to show the newest 
messages at the bottom, when I come back to the group some other day 
and go to the message-listing by following the link in the left-hand 
menu, it preserves my setting, showing the newest messages at the 
bottom of the list.  

But if I'm reading a message, and then click on "Message List" on the 
upper right to go to the listing of messages, it resets my settings 
to Yahoo's default, with the newest message at top.  If I first go to 
"Home" in the lefthand menu, and then to "Messages", my chosen 
settings are retained however.

Back when Yahoo had taken over eGroups and was preparing to merge 
eGroups and Yahoo!Clubs, I wrote (using another e-mail at the time, 
top-posting and not snipping at all) the following in message #11006 
on the main list:

"We are Yahoo!
Your existence as you know it has come to an end.
Your cultural and technical distinctiveness will be adapted to 
service .. us.
*You* will service .. us.
Prepare to be assimilated.
To resist is futile.
We are Yahoo!"

This seems to still apply.

Best regards
Christian Stub?





From rxtlc at comcast.net  Fri Oct 13 12:45:34 2006
From: rxtlc at comcast.net (Jenn)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:45:34 -0000
Subject: Where have all the Kneazles gone?
Message-ID: <ego1pe+1q5n@eGroups.com>

I am sad to report that one of my beloved familiars (aka kitties), of whom I am sure had at 
least a little Kneazle in her, has passsed away at the age of 14 of kidney failure.  My 
Cassandra had quite the personality and she will be missed by her partner of 14 years, 
Maximillian, and her younger pals, Sabrina and Moonshine, as well as my little son Harry.  (It 
figures she was the one kitty he called by name consistantly, doesn't it?)  She was a good 
loving little kitty and very pretty, all white and fluffy with big green eyes that could see 
through any pretense.
Any contacts to Arabella Figg and her half Kneazles would be appreciated, in due time of 
course! ;-)
Jenn/Poppy 





From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Fri Oct 13 13:17:54 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:17:54 +0200
Subject: Where have all the Kneazles gone?
In-Reply-To: <ego1pe+1q5n@eGroups.com>
References: <ego1pe+1q5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <452FAE220200007800000FE9@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>

Aaw Jenn, I'm so sorry.  In a way, I no how that feels.  My guide dog
[my first one] had to retire at six, because she had a stroke.  It felt
as if a child of mine had died.  I'll be thinking of you.

Cairie 

>>> "Jenn" <rxtlc at comcast.net> 2006-10-13 14:45 >>>
I am sad to report that one of my beloved familiars (aka kitties), of
whom I am sure had at 
least a little Kneazle in her, has passsed away at the age of 14 of
kidney failure.  My 
Cassandra had quite the personality and she will be missed by her
partner of 14 years, 
Maximillian, and her younger pals, Sabrina and Moonshine, as well as my
little son Harry.  (It 
figures she was the one kitty he called by name consistantly, doesn't
it?)  She was a good 
loving little kitty and very pretty, all white and fluffy with big
green eyes that could see 
through any pretense.
Any contacts to Arabella Figg and her half Kneazles would be
appreciated, in due time of 
course! ;-)
Jenn/Poppy 







From monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com  Fri Oct 13 14:42:25 2006
From: monicaboukhalfa at tmail.com (Monica Boukhalfa)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:42:25 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Where have all the Kneazles gone?
In-Reply-To: <ego1pe+1q5n@eGroups.com>
References: <ego1pe+1q5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1160750549.23CEE892@ba12.dngr.org>

I'm so sorry!
Ugh. I have 3 evil little monsters and I worry about that all the time.
I'm sending some good juju your way.
Monica


On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 6:49 am, Jenn wrote:
> I am sad to report that one of my beloved familiars (aka kitties), of 
> whom I am sure had at
> least a little Kneazle in her, has passsed away at the age of 14 of 
> kidney failure. My
> Cassandra had quite the personality and she will be missed by her 
> partner of 14 years,
> Maximillian, and her younger pals, Sabrina and Moonshine, as well as my 
> little son Harry. (It
> figures she was the one kitty he called by name consistantly, doesn't 
> it?) She was a good
> loving little kitty and very pretty, all white and fluffy with big 
> green eyes that could see
> through any pretense.
> Any contacts to Arabella Figg and her half Kneazles would be 
> appreciated, in due time of
> course! ;-)
> Jenn/Poppy
>
> 
--Monica M. Boukhalfa
'All I can say is...
When I needed the monkey,
The monkey was there for me.'
--T. Spencer
Atlanta GA



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 04:50:12 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:50:12 -0000
Subject: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
Message-ID: <egpqa4+t4cl@eGroups.com>

I was looking at Amazon for books about Alchemy and stumbled upon a 
really cool looking pendant. I looked at it closely and saw that they 
had all of the major symbols of Alchemy on it. WOW, I want one. So 
before I buy it I wanted to find out what Full Metal Alchemy was about 
so that I wasn't wearing something that was really a symbol of some 
dark wacky thing that I know nothing about. So I went looking on the 
Internet. And it seems it is a Japanese Anime.  I don't know anything 
about such things. I went to Wikipeda and found some interesting 
information. If you read this carefully you will see some simularies 
with the HP series. Souls being bonded to objects, the ideas from 
Western Alchemy, and so on. 

Is there anyone here that knows about Full Metal Alchemy that can tell 
us more? Do you see any simularities with HP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Metal_Alchemist

Tonks_op





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 05:45:09 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:45:09 -0000
Subject: Yahoo Responds
Message-ID: <egpth5+qf50@eGroups.com>

I actually got an e-mail back from Yahoo saying that they were looking 
into the problem. 

Now I have to confess that I told them that I was part of the Harry 
Potter fan community on the internet and we were not saying good things 
about Yahoo, and I also threatened to turn them into toads. ;-)

Tonks_op






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Oct 14 06:08:20 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:08:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yahoo Responds
In-Reply-To: <egpth5+qf50@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c6ef57$260b3620$66a4a8c0@rosie>

I wasn't going to join this thread as I stay away from online mwebmail, but
Tonks done it...I had to stick my nose in here!

[Tonks]:
| Now I have to confess that I told them that I was part of the Harry 
| Potter fan community on the internet and we were not saying 
| good things 
| about Yahoo, and I also threatened to turn them into toads. ;-)

[Lee]:
Hmm--what if they *Are* toads already??  We might have to turn them
into...into...Humans???? :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 08:44:22 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:44:22 -0000
Subject: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
In-Reply-To: <egpqa4+t4cl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egq816+jpmv@eGroups.com>

Tonks wrote:
>
> I was looking at Amazon for books about Alchemy and stumbled upon 
a 
> really cool looking pendant. I looked at it closely and saw that 
they 
> had all of the major symbols of Alchemy on it. WOW, I want one. So 
> before I buy it I wanted to find out what Full Metal Alchemy was 
about 
> so that I wasn't wearing something that was really a symbol of 
some 
> dark wacky thing that I know nothing about. ... I went to Wikipeda 
and found some interesting 
> information. If you read this carefully you will see some 
simularies 
> with the HP series. Souls being bonded to objects, the ideas from 
> Western Alchemy, and so on. 
> 
> Is there anyone here that knows about Full Metal Alchemy that can 
tell 
> us more? Do you see any simularities with HP?


Kemper now:
I've watched FMA quite a few times.  The difference I see with 
regards to soul bonding to objects is that the soul of Alfonse (the 
Elric brother who's body is dead but whose soul is attached to a 
metal-man) is complete.  It is _all_ of Alfonse's soul and not a 
piece of his soul ripped from the whole.

I don't think it's the soul seperated from the body that's evil, I 
think it's the soul seperated from itself that is.

Kemper





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sat Oct 14 15:56:37 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:56:37 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <c81.39f3ecf.326262b5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/10/06 2:45:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bboyminn at yahoo.com writes:


> Of course, Harris was perfect for the role. He had the
> class and the gentle manner that typified Dumbledore to
> at tee. 
> 
> Other that him, I think the best bet would have been to go
> with Patrick Stewart (Captain Jean-Luc Picard) or Ian 
> McKellen. Both of whom have a serious side but also have
> that same bit of whimsy and gentleness that made Harris
> so perfect. All of the suggested actors could play 
> both hard and soft with equal intensity. Gambon may be a
> good actor in general but he doesn't 'get' Dumbledore, 
> and it would help if he would actually take the time 
> to read the books, or it would help if the director
> and/or producers would make an effort at getting a good
> and accurate performance out of him.
> 
> Sadly though, I think we are stuck with him, but I 
> question whether Gambon can made Dumbledore sympathetic 
> enough that I will actually care when he dies. 
> 
> For what it's worth.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

Sandy:

I agree that Richard Harris was the *perfect* Dumbledore. I don't know who 
Ian McKellen is but Patrick Stewart would have been a good replacement. I could 
have accepted him quite nicely. I don't like Gambon as DD; he just doesn't 
have the *feel* for the role. He has admitted in interviews that he hasn't read 
the books. I think he should because I think it is obvious that he doesn't 
truly understand the nature of Dumbledore's relationship with Harry. Playing the 
role as he does I think he will do fine in OOP but I am already concerned that 
he will fall far short in HBP. As dumbfounded as I was about Dumbledore's 
death in HBP I couldn't help but think, well, at least we won't have to put up 
with Michael Gambon in the final film. Of course, at this point in the game, that 
could turn out to be mere speculation. Yes, I know, Dumbledore is truly dead. 
I, for one, have never questioned that fact. But, until book 7 is released, 
we won't know if DD appears in it in some form. If so we will once again be 
subjected to Gambon's poor rendition of Albus Dumbledore.

Sandy


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From mwood005 at houston.rr.com  Sat Oct 14 13:58:12 2006
From: mwood005 at houston.rr.com (melody_wood14)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:58:12 -0000
Subject: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
In-Reply-To: <egpqa4+t4cl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egqqdk+hfrf@eGroups.com>

Melody aka captrwood
Full Metal Alchemist can be seen on cartoon network after 9:00 p.m. 
monday through friday. You can also find out more on 
cartoonnetwork.com under adult swim. Hope this helps.


-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at Amazon for books about Alchemy and stumbled upon 
a 
> really cool looking pendant. I looked at it closely and saw that 
they 
> had all of the major symbols of Alchemy on it. WOW, I want one. So 
> before I buy it I wanted to find out what Full Metal Alchemy was 
about 
> so that I wasn't wearing something that was really a symbol of 
some 
> dark wacky thing that I know nothing about. So I went looking on 
the 
> Internet. And it seems it is a Japanese Anime.  I don't know 
anything 
> about such things. I went to Wikipeda and found some interesting 
> information. If you read this carefully you will see some 
simularies 
> with the HP series. Souls being bonded to objects, the ideas from 
> Western Alchemy, and so on. 
> 
> Is there anyone here that knows about Full Metal Alchemy that can 
tell 
> us more? Do you see any simularities with HP?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Metal_Alchemist
> 
> Tonks_op
>







From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 14 16:55:01 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:55:01 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <c81.39f3ecf.326262b5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <egr4p5+gase@eGroups.com>

Sandy October's Child wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30854>:

<< I don't know who Ian McKellen is. >>

Ian McKellen was Gandalf in the recent magnificent LOTR movie trilogy.
He's a great actor, not just a great actor of wizards. 

<< I agree that Richard Harris was the *perfect* Dumbledore. (snip) I
could have accepted him quite nicely. I don't like Gambon as DD; he
just doesn't have the *feel* for the role. He has admitted in
interviews that he hasn't read the books. >>

Many, many people complained against Richard Harris right after the
first movie, saying that he was an inadequate Dumbledore because he
didn't 'twinkle' and he had bragged to an interviewer that he hadn't
bothered to read the books.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 18:34:31 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:34:31 -0000
Subject: More on Dan and the Equus Stage Play
Message-ID: <egrajn+344q@eGroups.com>

Recently at The Leaky Cauldron there was an update on Dan's role in
the stage play 'Equus'.

http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=9138

"...rehearsals for the play will begin on January 3, 2007 and will
have a 16 week run "at the Gielgud Theatre on Shaftesbury Avenue, with
previews starting on February 16 and an official opening night planned
for February 27. ..."Equus" will be staged in a manner consistent with
past productions: Sixty audience members will be seated onstage...."


I know from our previous discussion that there are some here who have
seen this production on stage. I'm confused about the 60 audience
members on stage. What is the purpose of that, and doesn't that really
restict the actors? From my limited knowledge most stages are not that
big. It is usually near miraculous that even the most basic play fits
on to them. Is Equus somewhat like 'Our Town' where props and stage
settings are intentionally minimalistic? How do they manage the horse
riding on such a restricted stage? That would seem difficult even on
the best /staged/ stage.

Next I know others here have mentioned that 'Equus' is a somewhat
popular play to be stage by better high school theater groups. I have
to wonder how they deal with some of the more challenging logistical
problem of staging this particular play. For example, how do high
school productions deal with the nudity? Obviously, they don't do it,
but what do they substitute instead; underwear, swimwear, fully
clothed, body suit, etc...? Would even the implication of nudity be
allowed in a high school production?

The second aspect is the horseback riding. How is that stage in an
amateur production? Someone here said that fellow actors played the
role of the horse, but how can that be done in such a dramatic play
without it becoming ridiculously comical? 

I would really love to travel to London to see this play. It seems
such a tremendously dramatic role for Dan. If anything proves his
acting skills, this would certainly be it.

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 18:51:28 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:51:28 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <egr4p5+gase@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egrbjg+q20u@eGroups.com>

---  "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> Sandy October's Child wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30854>:
> ,,,edited,,,
> 
> << I agree that Richard Harris was the *perfect* Dumbledore. 
> (snip) I could have accepted him quite nicely. I don't like 
> Gambon as DD; he just doesn't have the *feel* for the role. 
> He has admitted in interviews that he hasn't read the books. >>

> Catlady:
> Many, many people complained against Richard Harris right after the
> first movie, saying that he was an inadequate Dumbledore because he
> didn't 'twinkle' and he had bragged to an interviewer that he hadn't
> bothered to read the books.
>

bboyminn:

It is not so much a question of whether the actor reads the book or
not, in fact many actors in many roles do not read the book that their
character is based on, and that is because, they don't want confusion
or conflict between their portrayal and the books portrayal. 

But they still make an effort to understand that character and to
capture his essense. For example, Sandra Bullock's portrayal of Nelle
Harper Lee, a friend of Truman Capote's in the latest film 'Infamous'.
She said she didn't read the book for the reason I mentioned but she
extensively researched her character to pick up a true protrayal of
the mannerisims and characteristics that made the person unique. She
didn't necessarily have to read the book to capture the character, but
she DID HAVE TO TRY. I don't get the idea that Gambon does this. I
think this is just quick easy money to him; he doesn't take the role
seriously and doesn't think it matters, but it matters very very much
to HP fans. Dumbledore is Dumbledore, and that is critical to the
story. If Dumbledore is NOT Dumbledore then the story falls apart and
important sympathies are lost.

Gambon's failure isn't that he failed to DO, it's that he failed to
TRY, and I place a substantical amount of the blame on the Director
and Producer for not defining that character for the actor. I believe
that IS their job. I place as much blame on them for not demanding as
accurate performance as I do on Gambon for not giving one.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn - who is afraid that we are stuck with Gambon and his
portrayal and that is that. By the time we could influence a change,
the series will be over. The only hope is that Gambon will lose
interest and they will assign someone else. I also saw Michael Cain on
TV last night and thought he might be able to pull if off. He also
have a very whimsical side, as well as powerful dramatic skills. Or
how about Sean Connery?







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sat Oct 14 19:02:53 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:02:53 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crystal Ball - Ohio
Message-ID: <26a.36c01f6b.32628e5d@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/06 7:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
generalmanda at yahoo.com writes:


> hp-ohio (an adult fan group based in Ohio) is putting on a Yule
> Ball! That's right folks, a fully fledged ball open to the general
> public! We hope that some of the members of HP4GU will join us to
> celebrate the season and, of course, Harry-addiction. The link below
> has all of the details - directions, lodging, tickets, etc.
> 
> 

Sandy:
I live in Ohio and have never heard of this group. Where, exactly, in OH is 
it based?

Sandy


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sat Oct 14 23:42:08 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:42:08 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <c68.2600316.3262cfd0@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/06 1:00:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
catlady at wicca.net writes:


> Ian McKellen was Gandalf in the recent magnificent LOTR movie trilogy.
> He's a great actor, not just a great actor of wizards. 


Sandy:

I'm not into LOTR -- Haven't read the books or seen the movie(s) and have no 
desire to. Guess that's why I don't know who he is.

> 
> 
> 
> Many, many people complained against Richard Harris right after the
> first movie, saying that he was an inadequate Dumbledore because he
> didn't 'twinkle' and he had bragged to an interviewer that he hadn't
> bothered to read the books.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Sandy:

Yes, I have read that before, about the twinkle that is. I'm almost sure I 
saw an interview with Richard Harris where he said that he had read the book(s) 
with his grandchildren. Whether he did or didn't doesn't matter to me; I 
thought he was the perfect Dumbledore. The only problem I had/have with his 
performance as DD is that he is so difficult to hear. I'm sure that had something to 
do with his health issues, but you would think something could have been done 
to make him more audible. It is so hard to relate that barely audible voice 
with the one that belted out the how many minutes long "McArthur's Park" back in 
the 60's. Every time I watch the movies I sit with the remote in my hand so I 
can adjust the volume every time he speaks. Then again, it could just be my 
age causing faulty hearing.

Sandy


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From generalmanda at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 00:52:08 2006
From: generalmanda at yahoo.com (General Manda)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:52:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <egln0d+25d6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20061015005208.3659.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com> wrote:                                  Oh this sounds like so much fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group
 in NJ like this!!

 I hope you guys have a great time!  Please post photos!!


Lauren,
I'm sure there will be pictures everywhere!  And I'm working on a backdrop for the Photographer to use to snap people's pictures all professional like.
If you want any help setting up a NJ group let me know, I can tell you how we got hp-ohio off the ground!
Manda




From generalmanda at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 00:48:15 2006
From: generalmanda at yahoo.com (General Manda)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:48:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <26a.36c01f6b.32628e5d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20061015004815.98372.qmail@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Manda:
 
 > hp-ohio (an adult fan group based in Ohio) is putting on a Yule
 > Ball! That's right folks, a fully fledged ball open to the general
 > public! We hope that some of the members of HP4GU will join us to
 > celebrate the season and, of course, Harry-addiction. The link 
 > below
 > has all of the details - directions, lodging, tickets, etc.
 
 
 Sandy:

> I live in Ohio and have never heard of this group. Where, exactly, 
> in OH is it based?


Sandy,

We're all over!  There's a large group in Columbus, and a pretty decent size group in the Dayton/Cincy area, a handful of folks up north in the Cleveland area and then a few others outside of the main city areas.  Take a look at our site - http://www.hp-ohio.com  and our forums http://hpohio.proboards18.com/
We get together once a month for what we've dubbed as "Harry Huddles".  Next weekend is our HPHP3.0 (Harry Potter Halloween Party and our 3yr anniversary!) and November is going to be regional get togethers instead of one big one.  

We would love to have you and any other Ohio fans join us!  All the Huddle details are on the forums.  We've been trying to advertise as best we can, flyers on some campuses, posting to the major fan sites, supporting the conventions, a cafepress store (with some *cough* adult and fandom humor apparel) , etc.  And now we're a big name group at MARCON - winning the best room party and awards for our HP themed skits.

Hope to see you, Sandy, at a few of our events!

Manda





From generalmanda at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 00:58:55 2006
From: generalmanda at yahoo.com (General Manda)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:58:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <001c01c6edaf$1333cf20$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <20061015005856.59997.qmail@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:                                  Wow!  Sounds like it would be a true Potteresque experience!
Unfortunately, Art will be in a transient state, so to speak, trying to
get his glasses readjusted after cataract surgery.  Have some chocolate
for us!


Lee,
Will do!  Hopefully we can make this an annual event that will grow in the future!  I expect we'll have between 50 and 60 people right now.  I'd like us to sell out the full 150... but I'm not sure that's going to happen (my fingers are still crossed tho!)
We're making chocolate frogs to give out to everyone - with Famous American Witches and Wizard cards so I'll definately indulge in plenty :) !
Manda






From fluorite at swbell.net  Sun Oct 15 04:13:39 2006
From: fluorite at swbell.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:13:39 -0000
Subject: Book 7
Message-ID: <egschj+puif@eGroups.com>

Hi Everyone.

I am pleased to join this and the sister site.

I have written my own mini-version of Book 7, and have a site made up
just for it.  I would be delighted if you came by and read it. 
Comments welcome!

www.hp7ch1.com

Look forward to hearing from many of you.

Jeff  >^.^<






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 04:42:38 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:42:38 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <egrbjg+q20u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egse7u+quv1@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> Gambon's failure isn't that he failed to DO, it's that he failed to
> TRY, and I place a substantical amount of the blame on the Director
> and Producer for not defining that character for the actor. I 
believe that IS their job. I place as much blame on them for not 
demanding as accurate performance as I do on Gambon for not giving 
one.

> Steve/bboyminn - who is afraid that we are stuck with Gambon and 
his portrayal and that is that. By the time we could influence a 
change, the series will be over. The only hope is that Gambon will 
lose interest and they will assign someone else. I also saw Michael 
Cain on
> TV last night and thought he might be able to pull if off. He also
> have a very whimsical side, as well as powerful dramatic skills. Or
> how about Sean Connery?
>

Tonks:
I have been watching Peter O'Toole in Casa Nova and thought that he 
would be a good DD.

I don't think that we should just set back and give up just like 
that. If we really TRY ourselves we may be able to have some impact 
on Gambon's acting. I don't think any actor really wants to go down 
in history as the actor that screwed up the role of one of the most 
important charters in film history.  Does he really want his legacy 
to be "the actor that ruined the Harry Potter series".  I don't 
think so. 

If we can get to the people at Yahoo, surely if we all try hard 
enough we can get to him.  Lets do it. Come on guys! If enough fan 
mail gets to who ever reads his mail and it all says the same thing 
in a way that encourages him to do a better job, someone will 
probally let him read at least one of the letters.. At least we can 
try. We have no one to blame if we take this laying down and do 
nothing!!!  

Come on folks lets encourage the man to put his all into it. Lets 
tell the man who DD is. Tell him that if the writer and the the 
director don't "get it" that he should at least!!  Let do it...

Tonks_op






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 15 05:19:05 2006
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:19:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Full Metal Alchemist and HP
References: <egpqa4+t4cl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02e101c6f019$6fa6aa40$02fea8c0@Draco>

The alchemy in FullMetal Alchemist is as ours would be if we continued on that course of science (and you know...it actually WORKED).  It's the shifting of matter to create something of equal or lesser value.

Basically using the materials at hand to create something else made of the same materials (a rose to another flower of the same size, water to ice, elements to their other states).

There are some simularities between HP and FMA, the Phillosopher's stone figures in both, though one is created by sacraficing human lifes (an exchange of the life of several for the imortal life of one), and one...well, isn't, being a main one that jumps out at me at the moment.

As Kempar said, the sould alchemy would be diffrent (and not evil) as Alphonse was taken in an exchange, a price.  Though, one might argue there is very little between bringing the dead back to life (what Alphonse did to end up a soul trapped in an empty suit of armor) and murdering someone and then trapping parts of your soul in a piece of jewlery.

The main crux of the anime, is the journey to discover what is right and good, and just what you're willing to do to accomplish your tasks.  The brothers (Edward and Alphonse) are faced with this choice many times in their efforts to return themselves to 'normal'.  Do they follow their desires and sacrifice others to create a Philosopher's stone, do they go against what they know and belive in just so Edward can regain his limbs and Al his body, or do they keep on the path of 'good' even if everything ends up ruined and hopeless?

Much in the case of HP, the same thread of the path you choose and the choices you make determining who you are, not your birth, your rank or your abilities.  

As for the pendant, none of the symbols really mean anything bad, most are the traditional elemental symbols, some are arrays used by various cast members for their alchemy (There's one for Fire, there's one for whatever the heck Armstrong does with the Earth, one for agricultural uses that pops up, so on).  There are two that are distinctive though, and have seperate meanings then the others.  The Flamel (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E1EDHQ.01-A14NCOGF1E9RXR._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg), and the Oroborus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ouroboros.png)

In the show, the Flamel resembles truth.  It's the symbol worn by Ed, Al and their teacher Izumi.  The Oroborus means continuty, and are worn by the 'bad guys', or humunculus (souless humans, artificial humans to be more exact).  Neither of which are dark symbols on their own.

...and that was probably more then you needed to know but hopefully it awnsered your question and provoked instresting thoughts. *grins*

-----
Saitaina

It was a dead head. He hadn't expected this when he'd left Japan. Shot maybe. Stabbed possibly. Hung or strangled. Poisoned. But not heads rolling merrily down the street like a deranged bowling ball ready to gnaw off their ankles.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

If life hands you lemons, you should make lemonaide...and then try to find someone whose life has handed them vodka.



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 13:39:33 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:39:33 -0000
Subject: Happy Belated Birthday, Constance Vigilance!
Message-ID: <egtdml+td7e@eGroups.com>

*drags in a huge box of decorations and starts pulling out streamers, 
bunches of balloons and vials of glitter*

Hey, this is cool. This box of decorations comes with the balloons 
already blown up. No wonder the box is so big! ;)

I know I'm a day late on this one, but I'm hoping everyone, 
especially Constance Vigilance, will forgive me for basically 
sleeping through my day off. Maybe? Would food help?

*wheels in trolleys of sandwiches and finger foods*

The drinks are over there and the cake is on the way.

Yesterday's birthday honouree was the delightful Constance Vigilance. 
Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: 
constancevigilance at yahoo.com

I hope your day was filled with fun, magic, good food and good 
friends.

Happy Birthday, Constance Vigilance!

Ah, here comes the cake now, just in time.

*opens the door for the assistant bringing in a massive cake*

Have fun everybody!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who's always thought Constance Vigilance 
has one of the coolest names on HPFGU :D





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 14:20:41 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:20:41 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <20061015005208.3659.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <egtg3p+k7k7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, General Manda 
<generalmanda at ...> wrote:
>
> laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at ...> 
wrote:                                  Oh this sounds like so much 
fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group
>  in NJ like this!!
> 
>  I hope you guys have a great time!  Please post photos!!
> 
> 
> Lauren,
> I'm sure there will be pictures everywhere!  And I'm working on a 
backdrop for the Photographer to use to snap people's pictures all 
professional like.
> If you want any help setting up a NJ group let me know, I can tell 
you how we got hp-ohio off the ground!
> Manda

And now Lauren:
Manda, I would really appreciate some info on that.  I know I have 
some Harry lovin' fans in NJ that would love to have some way to get 
together and discuss all things Harry.  I plan to meet with Lee 
sometime soon to discuss making a group, and I'm sure whatever 
suggestions and sdvice you could give would be super-helpful!

THANKS!





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 14:25:30 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:25:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More on Dan and the Equus Stage Play
In-Reply-To: <egrajn+344q@eGroups.com>
References: <egrajn+344q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0610150725l12c981c2pfc09d538989a45e3@mail.gmail.com>

Steve:
> Next I know others here have mentioned that 'Equus' is a somewhat
> popular play to be stage by better high school theater groups. I have
> to wonder how they deal with some of the more challenging logistical
> problem of staging this particular play. For example, how do high
> school productions deal with the nudity? Obviously, they don't do it,
> but what do they substitute instead; underwear, swimwear, fully
> clothed, body suit, etc...? Would even the implication of nudity be
> allowed in a high school production?

Ali:
Generally, body suits are used.  I'm sure that it varies from
production to production (and budget to budget), but the general rule
is that you use a body suit to imply nudity, mainly because anything
else would serve as distraction and because the nudity is somewhat
important to the play when it cannot be cut/modified for a school
production.  As for the question of whether or not nudity would be
allowed, I think that depends on the school district (at least in
America) - I went to school in the Midwest, and while we did some
fantastic productions, Equus was never one of them (though that may be
because none of us wanted to do it).


Steve:
> The second aspect is the horseback riding. How is that stage in an
> amateur production? Someone here said that fellow actors played the
> role of the horse, but how can that be done in such a dramatic play
> without it becoming ridiculously comical?

Ali:
Regardless of the budget, Equus is *supposed* (which is to say that
some people don't) to be stage with all actors on a minimal stage with
the audience set in areas surrounding the stage - a theatre in the
round sort of set-up.  Even though it was written in 1973, Equus is
generally considered a Theatre of the Absurd piece; therefore, many of
the things in the play will seem very comical, meant to "demonstrate
the comical and absurd aspect of life" or something like that - it's
been a while since I've had that particular school lesson.  On paper
(or computer as in this case), the idea of actors playing the role of
the horses seems something out of a more whimsical play, especially
since we're talking about actors who will likely be wearing
surrealistic horse heads, but in Equus, it works, and it works
because, as is indicative of the movement, the play is almost
dream-like in its storytelling, and the actors-as-horses work with
that.

I have no idea how many people here have read/seen the play, but those
who have probably understands why I disagree with Steve in saying that
I have very little interest in seeing Dan in Equus.  To be sure, I
think he'll be great in in; he just seems the right sort (in a good
way, not the psychotic Equus-like way) to play this role.  However, I
do not want to see the boy playing Harry Potter playing the role of
Alan Strang until the HP movies are done with.

Anyway, that's my bit, or at least the bit I remember from high school
English and theatre classes.  Hope that helps anyone who might be
confused about the Equus production.

~Ali



From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 14:30:16 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:30:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <egtg3p+k7k7@eGroups.com>
References: <20061015005208.3659.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	 <egtg3p+k7k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0610150730m3ca4c017r3d75376f611956d@mail.gmail.com>

Lauren:
> Manda, I would really appreciate some info on that.  I know I have
> some Harry lovin' fans in NJ that would love to have some way to get
> together and discuss all things Harry.  I plan to meet with Lee
> sometime soon to discuss making a group, and I'm sure whatever
> suggestions and sdvice you could give would be super-helpful!

Not to jump in the discussion suddenly but there's currently a PA
group in existence that you can get together with until the NJ group
gets off the ground - next meeting is at the end of this month.  Maybe
you can also gather info there on how to get your NJ group started.

~Ali



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 17:47:43 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:47:43 -0000
Subject: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
In-Reply-To: <02e101c6f019$6fa6aa40$02fea8c0@Draco>
Message-ID: <egts7v+np1i@eGroups.com>

Saitaina wrote:
>
> The alchemy in FullMetal Alchemist is as ours would be if we 
continued on that course of science (and you know...it actually 
WORKED).  It's the shifting of matter to create something of equal 
or lesser value.
> 
> Basically using the materials at hand to create something else 
made of the same materials (a rose to another flower of the same 
size, water to ice, elements to their other states).
> 
(snip)

> As for the pendant, none of the symbols really mean anything bad, 
most are the traditional elemental symbols, some are arrays used by 
various cast members for their alchemy (There's one for Fire, 
there's one for whatever the heck Armstrong does with the Earth, one 
for agricultural uses that pops up, so on).  There are two that are 
distinctive though, and have seperate meanings then the others.  The 
(snip)


Tonks:
Thank you very much for the information. I did buy the pendant. I 
recognize the symbols as those of Western Alchemy as follows: The 2 
triangles are the symbol for water and fire which when united become 
the union of opposites with is God. They also form what we would 
recognize as the Star of David. The wings with the crown at the top 
are symbolic of the hermaphrodite which is the stone, also a union 
of opposites. As you can see from the following there is also a 
symbol that sounds a lot like Fawkes.

>From the "Rosarium Philosophorum": 


"we are as one united naturally,
With master ease the mountain swallowed down,
The four cam forth, one yet again to be,
In our complete and more than perfect stone.
And six in trinity bethought, 
To an essential substance brought.
And who can reach this kind of thought
A power by God Himself is taught,
All sickness can he bring to naught
In human body and retort.
Without God's help no man may build,
Self knowledge too must be fulfilled.
A fountain rises from my earth,
And brings two rivers there to birth,
One flows towards the rising sun,
The other where it sets doth run.
Two eagles rise, their feathers burn,
So naked down to earth return,
And yet again are feathered there,
The sun and moon its subjects were."

The stone is God (or the image of Christ in the human being). You 
take the 4 elements which were once one and combine them until they 
are again united into one, which is God.  Alchemy is the science of 
God written in very symbolic form to confuse those who were not 
seeking truth but riches. The gold is not real gold, but spiritual. 

I am so very happy to be able to get such a pendant, even if it does 
say "Full metal Alchemy" all over it.


Saitaina wrote:
> If life hands you lemons, you should make lemonaide...and then try 
to find someone whose life has handed them vodka.

Tonks:
LOL! Love it!! I am going to use that one. ;-)

Tonks_op





From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 15 17:58:22 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:58:22 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members?
Message-ID: <egtsru+nh3k@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone--

I'm hoping maybe someone can help me out here.  In the last few
years the main list has gained more members living in Asian, 
African, Middle Eastern countries.  Now and again, one of these
members will try to reply to a discussion post and the message
will show no new text/comments from them at all.

Iirc, the messages are usually sent by email (also usually from
a yahoo.co.whichever country account, if I'm remembering right), 
and they're in html format instead of plain text.

I'll reply letting them know that no new text from them came 
through in the message, allowing for the possibility that they 
hit send before they meant to, but I also suggest that they try
sending their message in plain text rather than html/graphics, 
too.

Sometime last year, or maybe earlier this year, a fellow living
in Egypt joined and was encountering these problems.  I managed 
to catch him on YM, and we just could not determine what the 
problem was.  I suggested he try posting by plain text and/or
just post by webview instead of email, but I don't believe he
tried either option in the end.  There *was* a slight language
barrier, but I think he just felt discouraged and gave up.

And just a day or so ago a new member from India tried to reply
to a discussion post, but instead of the message being sent to
the group's posting address (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) it
went to the owner address (HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com).
When I tried to read the message, Outlook Express gave me a 
prompt telling me I'd need to install the Arabic language pack 
to read the message properly.

So, is the 'problem' that these list members may not be using
English text when they post?  We've got many members from India,
elsewhere in Asia, Africa, various countries in the Middle East
who have no trouble at all posting, so I'm hoping one of you can
explain to me what might be the problem for these other folks.

They're mostly, to the best of my recollection, using Yahoo email
accounts, so is there some setting or option they need to change
to fix this?  (Unfortunately, I haven't kept detailed records of
these messages, so it may very well be they're using a variety
of email accounts, and/or that they're trying to post in plain 
text as well as html, etc.  I *really* wish I had kept better
records of all this, sigh.)

Any advice would be *greatly, greatly* appreciated!  Thanks, 
everyone..

--Kelley





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 19:05:23 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:05:23 -0000
Subject: I blew it!
Message-ID: <egu0pj+35bt@eGroups.com>

Hoo boy! I just erased about twenty-five messages from my Yahoo
e-mail, including one from Potioncat, one from Magpie, several from
Cliff, and two (IIRC) from HPfGU admin. (One was that note to newbies;
hope the other one wasn't a Howler!) I also discovered at least two
e-mail addresses I recognized (Betsy HP's and Steve bb_mn's) in my
blocked senders list.

If you're one of those people or someone else who's tried to contact
me lately and gone unanswered or had your message bounced, please
accept my apologies and try to recontact me. If your messages are
still bouncing, please respond to this message and I'll remove you
from the blocked senders list.

Carol, who sometimes feels that her IQ must be less than Grawp's





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 19:12:50 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:12:50 -0000
Subject: Yahoo Responds
In-Reply-To: <001701c6ef57$260b3620$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <egu17i+9i7a@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:
> I wasn't going to join this thread as I stay away from online
mwebmail, but
> Tonks done it...I had to stick my nose in here!
> 
> [Tonks]:
> | Now I have to confess that I told them that I was part of the Harry 
> | Potter fan community on the internet and we were not saying 
> | good things 
> | about Yahoo, and I also threatened to turn them into toads. ;-)
> 
> [Lee]:
> Hmm--what if they *Are* toads already??  We might have to turn them
> into...into...Humans???? :-)

Carol responds:

Toads? They're self-confessed Yahoos, which is to say they're a group
of hairy, brutish, dirty subhumans like those depicted in "Gulliver's
Travels." (Why any website or organization would name itself after
such creatures is beyond my comprehension.) Toads would be a step up,
AFAIC.

Carol, still trying to figure out how Yahoo could eat 25 e-mail
messages (which did not end up in her Trash folder)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 19:18:43 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:18:43 -0000
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <c68.2600316.3262cfd0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <egu1ij+eav5@eGroups.com>

Sandy wrote:
> 
> I'm not into LOTR -- Haven't read the books or seen the movie(s) and
have no desire to. 

Carol responds:

Any particular reason? I'm not being critical, just curious. You might
be pleasantly surprised, as many of us were by the HP books.
> 
Catlady wrote: 
> > 
> > Many, many people complained against Richard Harris right after
the first movie, saying that he was an inadequate Dumbledore because
he didn't 'twinkle' and he had bragged to an interviewer that he
hadn't bothered to read the books.

Carol responds:
Are you sure? I thought it was Michael Gambon who hadn't read the
books (and flipped off someone who called him "Gandalf").

Carol, who hated the way Gambon's Dumbledore shook Harry and yelled at
him in GoF (JKR's Dumbledore would never do that)





From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 15 20:37:42 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:37:42 -0000
Subject: Changes to Group Menu / Yahoo responds
Message-ID: <egu66m+g9lh@eGroups.com>

It seems apparently Yahoo was making some tweaks elsewhere in
Groups, but those tweaks had the unintended effect of causing 
the Menu problems.  At any rate, they seem to be working on it.

Neri, if you see this, I'm thinking maybe the threading thing
may be related, too...

--Kelley





From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 15 20:44:44 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:44 -0000
Subject: I blew it!
In-Reply-To: <egu0pj+35bt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egu6js+tas9@eGroups.com>

Carol <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> Hoo boy! I just erased about twenty-five messages from my 
> Yahoo e-mail, 

Aw, gosh...

> including one from Potioncat, one from Magpie, several from
> Cliff, and two (IIRC) from HPfGU admin. (One was that note 
> to newbies; hope the other one wasn't a Howler!) 

Heh, nope, no Howler; was either a 'misfired' "Welcome from
your list elf!" message or a second admin about the "Banning
the books" thread going too OT.

> I also discovered at least two e-mail addresses I recognized 
> (Betsy HP's and Steve bb_mn's) in my blocked senders list.

Hm, guessing you're on individual mails; if you like, I can 
forward you some digests, ones that might cover some of the 
messages you've lost.  Just let me know...

--Kelley






From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 21:26:35 2006
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:26:35 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
Message-ID: <egu92b+2tut@eGroups.com>

Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
don't push him
wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!

The best Snape fanfic I have found is "Harry Potter
and the Enemy
Within" over at Sugarquill. I wish there were more
good ones like
that. Fanfic Snapes get way to nice or just plain
weird. I like
romance if its done really well, but that's hard to do
since for the
most part Snape would not have a romance. Like your
opinion on what
you think about fanfic snapes and would like the links
of any good
snape fanfics you know about.


Arwen17








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 21:52:23 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:52:23 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members?
In-Reply-To: <egtsru+nh3k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eguain+v4l2@eGroups.com>

---  "Kelley" <kelley_thompson at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone--
> 
> I'm hoping maybe someone can help me out here.  In the last few
> years the main list has gained more members living in Asian, 
> African, Middle Eastern countries.  Now and again, one of these
> members will try to reply to a discussion post and the message
> will show no new text/comments from them at all.
> 
> ...edited...
>
> Sometime last year, or maybe earlier this year, a fellow living
> in Egypt joined and was encountering these problems.  I managed 
> to catch him on YM, and we just could not determine what the 
> problem was.  ...
> 
> And just a day or so ago a new member from India tried to reply
> to a discussion post, but instead of the message being sent to
> the group's posting address (HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com) it
> went to the owner address (HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com).
> When I tried to read the message, Outlook Express gave me a 
> prompt telling me I'd need to install the Arabic language pack 
> to read the message properly.
> 
> So, is the 'problem' that these list members may not be using
> English text when they post?  We've got many members from India,
> elsewhere in Asia, Africa, various countries in the Middle East
> who have no trouble at all posting, so I'm hoping one of you can
> explain to me what might be the problem for these other folks.
> 
> They're mostly, to the best of my recollection, using Yahoo email
> accounts, so is there some setting or option they need to change
> to fix this?  ...
> 
> Any advice would be *greatly, greatly* appreciated!  Thanks, 
> everyone..
> 
> --Kelley
>

bboyminn:

Well, I don't know if I can help but I can make a few comments.

First, I correspond with people in Korea all the time, and even though
their messages come to me in English, they are in the Gulim font which
includes both English and Korean Characters. Also, this might be a
Unicode Font, but I'm not sure. Unicode is a series of various fonts
that allow non-English foreigners to write in both English and native
fonts. 

So, when an email comes for a non-English alphabet person, you could
try highlighting whatever text you can find, then selecting a very
standard English font like Arial or Times New Roman, and see if
anything appears.

There is also the matter of Character Encoding. Frequently when I am
on sites like the Leaky Cauldron I find characters like ''' and '"'
are changed to some obscure unrecognisable character. Usually, if I
check [View] and [Character Encoding] is has changed from Western to
European. Usually changing back to Western (ISO-8859-1) will fix it.

Also when you get a problem email, you could try setting Character
Encoding to Unicode (UFT-8). 

So, essentially try changing to a standard font or change the
Character Encoding and see if that improves things.

Other possible but less common Character encodings are Western
(Windows-1252) and if desperate, English (USA-ASCII).

It would be best if the person sending the message remembered to write
it in a standard Windows English language font. In most cases, the
common fonts used by Yahoo are - Arial, and Courier New.

Don't know if that helps at all. 

If you want to forward the questionable message to me, I might be able
to analyse it and figure out where the problem is.

Steve/bboyminn





From snapes_witch at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 22:57:13 2006
From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Snape's Witch)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <20061015225713.79707.qmail@web50114.mail.yahoo.com>

Posted by: "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" catlady at wicca.net   catlady_de_los_angeles   Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:59 am (PST)   
>Many, many people complained against Richard Harris right after the
>first movie, saying that he was an inadequate Dumbledore because he
>didn't 'twinkle' and he had bragged to an interviewer that he hadn't
>bothered to read the books.
   
  Even worse than not reading the books IMO is the fact that he turned down Jo's offer to brief him on DD.  (AFAIK the only actors who took advantage of her offer were Rickman and Coltraine.)
   
  I don't know whether he actually read the series with his grandchildren but they were definitely the reason he accepted the role.
  




              Snape's Witch
   
  "Oh, God, it's years since I played the villain," says Rickman wearily. "I haven't played a baddie for ages." -- July 2006
  











 		
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From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 16 00:27:03 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:27:03 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members?
In-Reply-To: <eguain+v4l2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egujkn+9ivf@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> <snip> So, when an email comes for a non-English alphabet 
> person, you could try highlighting whatever text you can 
> find, then selecting a very standard English font like 
> Arial or Times New Roman, and see if anything appears.

Hm, okay; I tried highlighting and copying where the text 
would be and it did allow me to copy (and then paste), so
*something* is there.  However, trying to change the font
didn't end up showing me anything, unfortunately. Pasted
it into a blank email and then into notepad, and even 
forwarded the message to my gmail account and changed the
setting there to Arabic text, and nothing.  But yes, there's
definitely something there..
 
Steve:
> Also when you get a problem email, you could try setting 
> Character Encoding to Unicode (UFT-8). 

Grr, Outlook Express will let me change the encoding when
sending a message, but not to read them; Western European 
(Windows) is the default, no way to change it.

Steve:
> It would be best if the person sending the message 
> remembered to write it in a standard Windows English 
> language font. In most cases, the common fonts used by 
> Yahoo are - Arial, and Courier New.

Yes, this probably the sort of thing I need to explain to 
them; I'll need to find out how to make that change in 
yahoo.co.in accounts.

Steve: 
> Don't know if that helps at all. 

It does indeed, gives me a better idea of what the problem
might be.
 
Steve:
> If you want to forward the questionable message to me, 
> I might be able to analyse it and figure out where the 
> problem is.

Oh thanks, Steve, I appreciate that!  I do have one I can 
forward to you; you'd certainly know better than me how to 
figure this out. ;-)

--Kelley





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Oct 16 00:46:11 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:46:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Some help from international list members?
In-Reply-To: <egujkn+9ivf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6f0bc$7a67f8f0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

| Steve:
| > Also when you get a problem email, you could try setting 
| > Character Encoding to Unicode (UFT-8). 
| 
[Kelly responded]:
| Grr, Outlook Express will let me change the encoding when
| sending a message, but not to read them; Western European 
| (Windows) is the default, no way to change it.

[Lee]:
Well, you can trick it by doing a Reply, then changing the encoding to see
if something readable comes out.  The other tac is (and I don't remember if
Outlook Express will do this as I am an Outlook user) in the message you're
reading, in the edit menu, is there an option to "Edit Message"?  If so,
then you can go in and change formatting and encoding and such.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 16 01:30:20 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:30:20 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members?
In-Reply-To: <000301c6f0bc$7a67f8f0$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <egunbc+eeov@eGroups.com>

Hey, Lee! :-)

> [Lee]:
> Well, you can trick it by doing a Reply, then changing the 
> encoding to see if something readable comes out.  The other 
> tac is (and I don't remember if Outlook Express will do this
> as I am an Outlook user) in the message you're reading, in 
> the edit menu, is there an option to "Edit Message"?  If so,
> then you can go in and change formatting and encoding and such.

Thanks for the suggestion, Lee!  Unfortunately I didn't have any
more luck, though.  I'm thinking about trying to create a 
yahoo.co.in for myself, see if I can learn something that way.

I just realized, I still owe you an email!  I'll tell you here, 
then -- I loved that song, it was fantastic, just hilarious!  
You have a great voice! :-D

--Kelley





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 16 04:26:22 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:26:22 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
In-Reply-To: <egu92b+2tut@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <egv1le+6bgg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Arwen17" 
<immortal1blue at ...> wrote:
>
> Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
> don't push him wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!
> 

Tonks:
Well...  (clearing throat)..  I don't read much fan-fiction, don't 
really care for it... but...  well... Snape is another matter. 
Ah...  well
 (I hope no one else is listening..)  I did accidentally 
stumble across something about a year ago that was rather good.  It 
was about Snape and Bella.  Actually my favorite one has him as a 
real gentleman and is called "So many buttons, so little time".  
Perhaps I should say no more.  ;-)

Tonks
(blushing) 







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Oct 16 05:38:26 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:38:26 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <bf6.731b9c0.326474d2@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/06 3:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes:


> > I'm not into LOTR -- Haven't read the books or seen the movie(s) and
> have no desire to. 
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Any particular reason? I'm not being critical, just curious. You might
> be pleasantly surprised, as many of us were by the HP books.
> > 
> 

Sandy replies:

It just isn't the kind of thing I like to read. To me, they have more of a 
sci-fi feel to them than fantasy. I hate sci-fi, and, quite frankly, fantasy is 
not something I normally read. I read mostly non-fiction, and the fiction I do 
read is authors like Austen, Bronte, Dickens, Agatha Christie, Ellery Queen, 
Anne Perry and the likes. I wound up reading Harry Potter for two reasons. I 
belong to a Nancy Drew list and on that list we are allowed to discuss any and 
all childrens/adolescents series books. When HP first came out, and with each 
subsequent book, the list members just went on and on about how good they 
were. Since I love the Worst Witch series of books and HP was so highly 
recommended I bought the first three books in 1999. I did not get around to reading SS 
until December 2004, and the rest is history. My brother is a big LOTR fan and 
has the entire series, but despite so many people telling me how good they are 
and that if I like HP I will like LOTR I just simply am not interested in 
them. Reading and then re-rereading HP in the past two years has put me way 
behind in my *regular* reading. I have close to 50 books sitting around my 
apartment, and there are more that I want to get, that I haven't read yet and want to 
read, so I am not going to waste my time reading something I am not interested 
in. 

Sandy


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From alexandratheet at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 16 19:52:33 2006
From: alexandratheet at yahoo.com (alexandratheet)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:52:33 -0000
Subject: Halloween Photos
Message-ID: <eh0nu1+gqc3@eGroups.com>

At our office at Halloween for past two years we have dressed up as
Hogwarts students. With help from photoshop I was able to transport us
to Hogwarts. You can see the results at
http://home.earthlink.net/~hphalloween
AT






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 16 23:51:17 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:51:17 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members? -India?
In-Reply-To: <egunbc+eeov@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh15tl+f7is@eGroups.com>

---  "Kelley" <kelley_thompson at ...> wrote:
> ...edited...
>  I'm thinking about trying to create a yahoo.co.in for
> myself, see if I can learn something that way.
> 
> ...
> 
> --Kelley
>

bboyminn:

yahoo.co.IN is that India????

The email you sent me with the HBF was sent from a standard yahoo.com
account (no co.in), maybe the problem is with a different email. 

If it is from India, I thought the national language was English, so I
would expect some European version of English as the standard encoding. 

If you start a yahoo.co.in account, you can send yourself an email,
and select 'view page source' or whatever it's call in Outlook.
Viewing the page source should allow you to find the default Character
Encoding or Character Set that was used. See the Arabic sample that I
emailed back to you.

If it is not India then what country is it?

Steve/bboyminn





From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 00:02:16 2006
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:02:16 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
In-Reply-To: <egv1le+6bgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh16i8+fk7p@eGroups.com>

I've read Harry Potter and the Enemy Within over at Sugarquill. Its 
the best I've ever read, it got a little mushy, lovey-dovey at the 
very end. But everything leading up to that was quite perfectly IC 
with Snape and the way it got to the end could be pretty plausible 
for Snape. So that's the most IC Snape I've seen in all the fanfics. 
I've liked others, but its wasn't the true Snape at all, it was just 
a good story.

Arwen17


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Arwen17" 
> <immortal1blue@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
> > don't push him wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!
> > 
> 
> Tonks:
> Well...  (clearing throat)..  I don't read much fan-fiction, don't 
> really care for it... but...  well... Snape is another matter. 
> Ah...  well
 (I hope no one else is listening..)  I did 
accidentally 
> stumble across something about a year ago that was rather good.  
It 
> was about Snape and Bella.  Actually my favorite one has him as a 
> real gentleman and is called "So many buttons, so little time".  
> Perhaps I should say no more.  ;-)
> 
> Tonks
> (blushing)
>






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 01:41:36 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:41:36 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Rowan and Oryomai!
Message-ID: <eh1ccg+25lv@eGroups.com>

*tidies up the room, hangs new streamers and starts blowing up balloons*

Are you ready for a party? Sorry, I can't hear you above the music. Oh, 
did you say 'yes'? :)

Come on in, grab a comfy chair and help yourself to the refreshments. 
Just don't cut the cake until the guests of honour arrive!

Today's birthday honourees are Rowan Brook-Thompson and Oryomai. 
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Rowan at: 
rowanbrookt at hotmail.com and to Oryomai at: SnapesSlytherin at aol.com

I hope both of you are having magical days filled with joy and fun.

Happy Birthday, Rowan!
Happy Birthday, Oryomai!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 17 04:24:16 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:24:16 -0000
Subject: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
In-Reply-To: <egts7v+np1i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh1ltg+7mjc@eGroups.com>


> Tonks wrote:
> Thank you very much for the information. I did buy the pendant. I 
> recognize the symbols as those of Western Alchemy as follows:

<snip>

Secca adds:
Just a quick addendum Tonks -- 

The Oroborus is one name for the symbol usually represented as a snake 
swallowing its own tail, sometimes a dragon. So it is that ubiquitous 
symbol that pops up in so many different mythologies/ religions/ 
beliefs...










From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 17 04:36:46 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:36:46 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members? -India?
In-Reply-To: <eh15tl+f7is@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh1mku+621c@eGroups.com>


> bboyminn wrote:
> 
> yahoo.co.IN is that India????

<snip>

Kelley -- not sure if this helps, seems a pretty minor point -- but I  
have several Yahoo accounts all over the world. These are the way the 
addresses to those accounts appear. 

yahoo.it
Yahoo.uk
yahoo.in

They are NOT necessarily compatible with Yahoo.com in the US. I tried 
to shut them down and combine all my accounts into my new Yahoo dsl 
account. I was told it was impossible to get my old stored e-mails and 
also impossible to get new mail from these accounts forwarded "as the 
versions of yahoo being used are not compatible" or some such...

Good Luck! 

Have you tried the Deptartment for International Magical Cooperation? ;)






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct 17 05:34:39 2006
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:34:39 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full Metal Alchemist and HP
References: <eh1ltg+7mjc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011501c6f1ad$f14e3af0$02fea8c0@Draco>

Secca wrote:

<The Oroborus is one name for the symbol usually represented as a snake 
swallowing its own tail>

Completly unrelated to the original topic but related to the quoted material, I was playing a video game of Nancy Drew which contained Alchemic and Astrological symbols in it the other day.  I was stuck over a symbol and kept thinking it was astrological...

...until I closed the game and started at my deskop wallpaper which was FullMetal Alchemist.  I got stuck reconizing the Oroborus.  I now feel like an idiot.

-----
Saitaina

It was a dead head. He hadn't expected this when he'd left Japan. Shot maybe. Stabbed possibly. Hung or strangled. Poisoned. But not heads rolling merrily down the street like a deranged bowling ball ready to gnaw off their ankles.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

If life hands you lemons, you should make lemonaide...and then try to find someone whose life has handed them vodka.



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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 05:47:55 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Who really killed DD - The real story
In-Reply-To: <bf6.731b9c0.326474d2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20061017054755.3238.qmail@web90412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> > I'm not into LOTR -- Haven't read the books or seen the movie(s) and
> have no desire to. 
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Any particular reason? I'm not being critical, just curious. You might
> be pleasantly surprised, as many of us were by the HP books.
> > 
> 

Sandy replies:

It just isn't the kind of thing I like to read. To me, they have more of a 
sci-fi feel to them than fantasy. I hate sci-fi, and, quite frankly, fantasy is 
not something I normally read. I read mostly non-fiction....
  ...
  My brother is a big LOTR fan and 
has the entire series, but despite so many people telling me how good they are 
and that if I like HP I will like LOTR I just simply am not interested in 
them. ...  I have close to 50 books sitting around my 
apartment, and there are more that I want to get, that I haven't read yet and want to 
read, so I am not going to waste my time reading something I am not interested 
in. 

  
Kemper now:
  I wish I never read LOTR.  It took me a summer, and I can't get that summer back.  It is one of the most boring books in existance.  That's not hyperbola.  
   
  I love SciFi and Fantasy:  Battlestar Galactica (old and new, 'So say we all'), Star Wars (except for Jar Jar), Star Trek (all versions), Firefly and Serenity (God bless Joss Wheadon... check out his Astonishing X-Men!), vampires in comics (30 Days of Night) books (Sonja Blue series) movies (Night Watch), Avatar: the Last Airbender, His Dark Materials trilogy, The Bartimaeus trilogy, NBC's Earth 2 and Heroes, and more.  
   
  I'm geeky, but I make it look bad-ass.  
   
  So... LOTR sucks.  That said, I liked the Hobbit.
   
  Kemper



        
 		
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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 15:33:51 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:33:51 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <20061017054755.3238.qmail@web90412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eh2t4v+m5kd@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
>   I wish I never read LOTR.  It took me a summer, and I can't get 
that summer back.  It is one of the most boring books in existance.  
That's not hyperbola.  
>    
>   I love SciFi and Fantasy:  Battlestar Galactica (old and 
new, 'So say we all'), Star Wars (except for Jar Jar), Star Trek 
(all versions), Firefly and Serenity (God bless Joss Wheadon... 
check out his Astonishing X-Men!), vampires in comics (30 Days of 
Night) books (Sonja Blue series) movies (Night Watch), Avatar: the 
Last Airbender, His Dark Materials trilogy, The Bartimaeus trilogy, 
NBC's Earth 2 and Heroes, and more.  
>    
>   I'm geeky, but I make it look bad-ass.  
>    
>   So... LOTR sucks.  That said, I liked the Hobbit.


Tonks:
I do not normally read fiction. HP was an exception. Since I love HP 
and saw the LOTR movie, and know a lot of people who are obsessed 
with LOTR I tried reading the books. I just could not get past the 
first few chapters.  He invented all of those words that I can not 
pronounce or remember. To hard.  So I am going to read the works of 
Thomas Aquinas instead. I sure it will be "much" easier. Seriously.

Tonks_op





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 18:53:05 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <eh2t4v+m5kd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20061017185305.64595.qmail@web90410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


 Kemper earlier:
> I wish I never read LOTR. It took me a summer, and I can't get 
that summer back. It is one of the most boring books in existance. 
That's not hyperbola. 
> 
>...
  > 
> So... LOTR sucks. That said, I liked the Hobbit.

Tonks:
I do not normally read fiction. HP was an exception. Since I love HP 
and saw the LOTR movie, and know a lot of people who are obsessed 
with LOTR I tried reading the books. I just could not get past the 
first few chapters. He invented all of those words that I can not 
pronounce or remember. To hard. So I am going to read the works of 
Thomas Aquinas instead. I sure it will be "much" easier. Seriously.
   
  Kemper:
  I agree with Tonks.  I wish I spent the summer I read LOTR,reading Boethius instead.  I would have made me a better read person.  Alas... I will have to read it this winter... after the holidays... and if the snow pack is too low for snowboarding... maybe next spring.
   
  Kemper





 		
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 20:47:28 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:47:28 -0400
Subject: Comments on Supernatural vids (10/15/06)
Message-ID: <1a2738400610171347u3d1cd32av4f9920a7f78d2940@mail.gmail.com>

I got relocated off a vidding group because I posted between on and
off-topic... Maybe I work better on an off-topic group. :-\

Standard disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.  So if I'm
critical of a vid, it's not because I really know how to edit.  I'll
comment on the vids I saw.

Gradually working my way through links.  Starting at
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/ and recent posts
that caught my eye--too many expired links in older posts.  Okay, I
dig Wincest, and if a vidder says the 'magic' word of Wincest, it
usually has my attention.

I placed these vids in a folder for later viewing because of other
projects and real life.  Unfortunately, a few have expired links now.


Song Title/Vid Title: Carry That Weight
Artist: the Beatles
Vidder: azuremonkey
Characters: Dean
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/226422.html

Technically, there's some nice edits, though, I noticed at least a
couple instances of a stray frame (e.g. ~01:00 mark with Jess).  This
is a good Dean song, but while I like some Beatles songs, this wasn't
among my favorites and it'll unfortunately bias me through no fault of
the vidder.


Song Title/Vid Title: Laid
Artist: James
Vidder: Barkley
Characters: Sam/Jess, Sam and Dean (possible Wincest)
http://barkley.livejournal.com/409886.html

Best use of the burning lady on the ceiling scene, evah!  Cut to the
lyric 'she only comes when she's on top'.  LOL!  And Barkley's
response to allegations of Wincest: "This is not Wincest! They just
have a very codependent relationship." {chuckle}  Though, since I
think long legs on women are hot, I *really* dug the scene with just
Jess's legs and the music around ~0:24-0:25. {whistles}  Um, I kept
repeating that part.  Dean being 'pretty' = hell yeah!  Err, I
actually liked the "Jenny Ackles" manip at
http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/211843.html Anyway, many
humourous moments and I enjoyed watching this vid.


Song Title/Vid Title: Mona Lisa Overdrive
Artist: Matrix Reloaded soundtrack
Vidder: Diamondback
Characters: Metallicar, Sam, and Dean
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/223392.html

I had initial mixed reactions on this vid.  I kinda dug the techno
aspect of  the song but it was... different seeing it paired with
Supernatural, so I *definitely* had to watch this vid a second time to
acclimate myself to the song and visuals.  On second viewing, I
noticed this was remarkably well-constructed for a vid that didn't
really have a 'storyline' per se and that the techno actually worked
because it had a 'creepy/ominous' element to it... as if the car was
'possessed'.  When I noticed it was pulled from the Matrix movies, the
choice became ironic (i.e. machines taking over). {g}  Song pace
matched scene choices and I'll give points for chosing a different
type of music to work with, even if it was jarring at first.


Song Title/Vid Title: The Message
Artist: Coldplay
Vidder: Charli
Characters: general
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/248587.html

The song choice is beautiful and SPN's S2 has been on its A-game.
Scene choices were powerful but... *man*, I think this vidder could've
had a extremely moving vid with some adjustments in editing.  All the
elements were *there* for the taking.  While I loved many of the
slo-mo edits, starting off the vid with some of the more 'powerful'
emotional scenes wouldn't have been my choice.  I think those scenes
would've worked out better placed when the strength/passion of the
song increased as well.  I think having more variety in clip length
and more 'normal speed' clips would emphasize the slo-mo ones.  And
then there were the fade to blacks at the end and they gave the
impression of 'choppiness' when the song is a very fluid one.  Still,
I loved the ending scene choice and I agree with another person's
comment about not noticing how the brothers walked in-sync until
seeing that clip.


Song Title/Vid Title: Wake Up
Artist: Coheed And Cambria
Vidder: sacrilicious
Characters: Sam and Dean (Wincest)
http://sacrilicious.livejournal.com/38863.html

Hm, didn't immediately fall in love with the song but it's a good
choice for the sentiment of this vid.  There's more than the struggle;
there's also the moments of having fun, connecting and looking forward
to life.  For the most part, I liked the vid's editing.


Dina



From snapes_witch at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 21:16:15 2006
From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Snape's Witch)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Who really killed DD - The real story
Message-ID: <20061017211615.2602.qmail@web50102.mail.yahoo.com>

Posted by: "kemper mentor" kempermentor at yahoo.com   kempermentor   Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:52 pm (PST)   
>I wish I never read LOTR. It took me a summer, and I can't get that summer back. It >is one of the most boring books in existance. That's not hyperbola. 

<snip>
 
>So... LOTR sucks. That said, I liked the Hobbit.

>Kemper
   
  I so agree with you, Kemper.  One summer I managed to get through Fellowship of the Ring but was so bored I didn't have the energy to start the next one.  I doubt that I will; I've too many books in my to-be-read stacks (yes, that's a plural).
   
  Among my faves are His Dark Materials, Artemis Fowl, The Wayfarer Redemption series by Sara Douglass, and George R. R. Martin's A Song of Fire and Ice, and Jonathon Strange and Dr. Morrell. My TV faves are all the Star Trek series except Enterprise (I just couldn't get into it), Stargate to name the two which immediately come to mind.
   
  To bring this back to the subject, I think Cuaron is actually the one who killed DD.  After all Kloves 'knew' what DD was like; he did write the scripts for the first two movies. And look what he did to poor Filius!!  Too bad Newell felt he had to continue those images. I wonder if Cuaron tried to mess with Snape's image and AR told him to go to 'heck'? lol
  




              Snape's Witch
   
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Wed Oct 18 13:12:43 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
In-Reply-To: <egv1le+6bgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh598b+tn0i@eGroups.com>

 "Arwen17" <immortal1blue@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
> > don't push him wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!

Potioncat:
Did someone say fan fic? I have a few recommendations for you. All of 
these are at Fiction Alley but they also post at Sycophant Hex. 

My favorite author is Sigune (a fellow HPfGU member) She's written my 
all time favorite fic "The Tunnel" and I also recommend "The Good-
Morrow." But I'd suggest you read everything she wrote.

Two other authors at Fiction Alley are After the Rain and 
Apothecaria. Here are links:

Sigune 
http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/sigune/

After the Rain 
http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/after_the_rain/

Apothecaria
http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/apothecaria/


For short fics (less than 500 words) with lots of snark try this 
site, also at Fiction Alley.
http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?
s=&threadid=39944&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=7

Whoa! That's a long address. Let me know if that one doesn't work.  
I'm also not sure why Apothecaria's link doesn't look right, but once 
you get to Fiction Alley you can find her on the list of authors.

I'll offer another, with more hesitation than you can imagine, but 
not enough to prevent me entirely. I also write fanfics and attempt 
to keep Snape in character.
My fics are here.
http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/potioncat/



 
> Tonks:
  Actually my favorite one has him as a 
> real gentleman and is called "So many buttons, so little time".  
> Perhaps I should say no more.  ;-)
> 
> Tonks
> (blushing)

Potioncat, blushing too.
Yes, that one does bring a blush and is very good. There are others 
that will make your eyes pop, but I don't care for that sort, myself. 
(It's Harry Potter after all.)

Happy reading!
Potioncat









From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 18 14:44:43 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:44:43 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
In-Reply-To: <egu92b+2tut@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh5ekr+3g36@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Arwen17" <immortal1blue at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
> don't push him
> wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!
>
If you don't mind me tooting my own horn, I tried to make Snape as 
snarky as possible in Snape-Specific, set in the year 2018 with Snape 
as the new Headmaster of Hogwarts.

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/Snape-Specific.htm

Although he does become Redeemed!Snape in the finale.....

   - CMC





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 18 14:54:06 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:54:06 -0000
Subject: Whence all the Newbies?
Message-ID: <eh5f6e+kq0i@eGroups.com>

I just noticed we've had over 1300 new members in the last week on 
HP4GU - any one know where all these folks are coming from?

   - CMC





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 15:23:23 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:23:23 -0000
Subject: Whence all the Newbies?
In-Reply-To: <eh5f6e+kq0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh5gtb+2hrc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I just noticed we've had over 1300 new members in the last week on 
> HP4GU - any one know where all these folks are coming from?
> 

Tonks:

It was because HPFGU was in the spotlight at Yahoo groups.

Tonks_op





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 17:35:16 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:35:16 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
Message-ID: <eh5okk+knra@eGroups.com>

Not that it really matters to anyone, but I was in the book store the
other day and saw a coffee table picture book titled 'Trees', and just
as the title implied it was a book filled with pictures of /trees/.
(who knew?)

As I flipped through it I saw the absolute spitting image of the
Whomping Willow as seem in the movies, except it wasn't a willow it
was a Hornbeam. Not just any Hornbeam though as, for the most part,
they just look like ordinary trees. This hornbeam had short extremely
thick trunk and short thick main branches, but then instead of
sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like branches sprouting
from the main heavy branches. In other words exactly as you see the
Whomping Willow in the movies.

If you are in the book store in your region, look for this book. It's
knew so, as I've seen in nearly all books stores, it will be found
right up front promenently displayed.

Return to your knitting now.

Steve/bboyminn





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Oct 18 18:02:59 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:02:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh5okk+knra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6f2df$a5d66d80$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Steve B]:
| Not that it really matters to anyone, but I was in the book store the
| other day and saw a coffee table picture book titled 'Trees', and just
| as the title implied it was a book filled with pictures of /trees/.
| (who knew?)
| 
| As I flipped through it I saw the absolute spitting image of the
| Whomping Willow as seem in the movies, except it wasn't a willow it
| was a Hornbeam. Not just any Hornbeam though as, for the most part,
| they just look like ordinary trees. This hornbeam had short extremely
| thick trunk and short thick main branches, but then instead of
| sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like branches sprouting
| from the main heavy branches. In other words exactly as you see the
| Whomping Willow in the movies.

[Lee]:
Hmm--Viktor's wand was Hornbeam...maybe it was the type you saw.  Olivander
would probably never use that type of wood. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 19:53:21 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:53:21 -0000
Subject: Whence all the Newbies?
In-Reply-To: <eh5gtb+2hrc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh60nh+gdg1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I just noticed we've had over 1300 new members in the last week on 
> > HP4GU - any one know where all these folks are coming from?
> > 
> 
> Tonks:
> 
> It was because HPFGU was in the spotlight at Yahoo groups.
> 

Alla:

Still is :)

They rotate the groups and even though we are not here at this second, 
we were a couple hours ago.





From hallie at thephoenixrises.org  Wed Oct 18 20:37:21 2006
From: hallie at thephoenixrises.org (Hallie Tibbetts - Phoenix Rising)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Phoenix Rising Submissions Deadline Extended!
Message-ID: <20061018203721.82274.qmail@web50512.mail.yahoo.com>

Due to some planned upgrades by our website host, Phoenix Rising's
programming submissions deadline has been extended from November 1 to
November 4, 2006. 

Phoenix Rising, to be held May 17-21, 2007, in and around the French
Quarter of New Orleans, depends on scholars, professionals, and fans
for a wide variety of programming all about Harry Potter. In fact, the
vast majority of our programming schedule is drawn from the theories,
creativity, discussion, and studies that attendees propose! 

Our Call for Papers, at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/academic/cfp/, gives an
overview of the proposal process, and we welcome papers, panels of
papers or panel discussions, workshops, roundtable discussions, and
combinations of these. We're also pleased to be able to include fan
creativity, from fanfiction readings and fanart portfolios to creative
booths -- so if you sketch, write, beta read, or give artistic
feedback, please visit
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/exploratory/aanight/cfp.html
to find out more. Finally, we'll feature a gallery of fan and fantasy
art throughout the weekend, including art from artists who may not be
able to attend, and the prospectus can be viewed at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/exploratory/gallery/prospectus.html.

For more information on Phoenix Rising's programming, please visit our
website at http://www.thephoenixrises.org, or view the programming
section directly at http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/. We're
always happy to answer questions e-mailed to programming @
thephoenixrises.org.

All submissions must be made online at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/submissions/ and are due no later than
11:59 p.m. EST on November 4. We look forward to receiving your
proposals!

Regards,
The Phoenix Rising Programming Team
http://www.thephoenixrises.org
programming @ thephoenixrises.org




From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 02:43:02 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:43:02 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <20061015005208.3659.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eh6onm+47aj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, General Manda 
<generalmanda at ...> wrote:
>
> laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at ...> 
wrote:                                  Oh this sounds like so much 
fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group
>  in NJ like this!!
> 
>  I hope you guys have a great time!  Please post photos!!
> 
> 
> Lauren,
> I'm sure there will be pictures everywhere!  And I'm working on a 
backdrop for the Photographer to use to snap people's pictures all 
professional like.
> If you want any help setting up a NJ group let me know, I can tell 
you how we got hp-ohio off the ground!
> Manda
>

Hi Manda,
I tried to email you off-list, but it bounced back.  I would LOVE to 
hear about how hp_ohio got started!  Lee & I are very interested in 
getting something like this going in NJ next year!

Thank you!

~Lauren





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Oct 19 02:43:19 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:43:19 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <20061017185305.64595.qmail@web90410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eh6oo7+10bri@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:
> I do not normally read fiction. HP was an exception. Since I love 
HP 
> and saw the LOTR movie, and know a lot of people who are obsessed 
> with LOTR I tried reading the books. I just could not get past the 
> first few chapters. He invented all of those words that I can not 
> pronounce or remember. 

I half liked LOTR, which I first read even before the Ralph Bakshi 
version was out (terrible movie, but Leonard Rosenman's magnificent 
score far surpasses Howard Shore's musical mediocrity). The sections 
involving Frodo, Sam & Gollum are fraught with superb 
characterization and complex psychological interaction (and it was 
precisely those aspects which the Jackson film was weaker than the 
narrative).  But all those battle/conferencing sequences with 
Gandalf, Boromir, Legolas, et al. were of jaw-locking dullness (but 
were correspondingly far more interesting on screen).  I had the 
exact same reaction upon re-reading the trilogy just before the 
Jackson film release.

I'd rather read Aquinas on the nature of the Trinity any day.

   - CMC 






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 02:44:07 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:44:07 -0000
Subject: Crystal Ball - Ohio
In-Reply-To: <20061015005208.3659.qmail@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eh6opn+157t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, General Manda 
<generalmanda at ...> wrote:
>
> laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at ...> 
wrote:                                  Oh this sounds like so much 
fun!!!!!!!!!!  I wish there was a group
>  in NJ like this!!
> 
>  I hope you guys have a great time!  Please post photos!!
> 
> 
> Lauren,
> I'm sure there will be pictures everywhere!  And I'm working on a 
backdrop for the Photographer to use to snap people's pictures all 
professional like.
> If you want any help setting up a NJ group let me know, I can tell 
you how we got hp-ohio off the ground!
> Manda
>

Hi Manda,
I tried to email you off-list, but it bounced back.  I would LOVE to 
hear about how hp_ohio got started!  Lee & I are very interested in 
getting something like this going in NJ next year!

Thank you!

~Lauren





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 10:35:30 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:35:30 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh5okk+knra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh7kdi+ebsn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Not that it really matters to anyone, but I was in the book store 
the
> other day and saw a coffee table picture book titled 'Trees', and 
just
> as the title implied it was a book filled with pictures of /trees/.
> (who knew?)
> 
> As I flipped through it I saw the absolute spitting image of the
> Whomping Willow as seem in the movies, except it wasn't a willow it
> was a Hornbeam. Not just any Hornbeam though as, for the most part,
> they just look like ordinary trees. This hornbeam had short 
extremely
> thick trunk and short thick main branches, but then instead of
> sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like branches 
sprouting
> from the main heavy branches. In other words exactly as you see the
> Whomping Willow in the movies.
> 
> If you are in the book store in your region, look for this book. 
It's
> knew so, as I've seen in nearly all books stores, it will be found
> right up front promenently displayed.
> 
> Return to your knitting now.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

maria8162001:

Hi Steve, can you give the full title of the book and the author, 
please. I need the author because I'll be looking for it online
(amazon), planning to buy one :-). Thanks

maria8162001





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 10:56:11 2006
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:56:11 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh5okk+knra@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh7lkb+7mgh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>

> This hornbeam had short extremely
> thick trunk and short thick main branches, but then instead of
> sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like branches 
sprouting
> from the main heavy branches. In other words exactly as you see the
> Whomping Willow in the movies.
> 

It didn't grow that way naturally, it's been trimmed at the same 
spot every year (or maybe two).  That's why the trunk keeps growing 
thicker as it normally would, but then the branches are alway young 
and slim.

I saw a lot of trees like that in Britain; I guess they do that to 
keep the tree to a smaller size.

I'll keep an eye out for that book, though -- I do like trees!

Annemehr





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 19 14:13:03 2006
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:13:03 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh7lkb+7mgh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh815f+mtru@eGroups.com>

"Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> > This hornbeam had short extremely
> > thick trunk and short thick main branches, but then instead of
> > sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like branches 
> sprouting
> > from the main heavy branches. In other words exactly as you see 
the Whomping Willow in the movies.
> > 

Annemehr:
> It didn't grow that way naturally, it's been trimmed at the same 
> spot every year (or maybe two).  That's why the trunk keeps 
growing thicker as it normally would, but then the branches are 
alway young and slim.
> 
> I saw a lot of trees like that in Britain; I guess they do that to 
> keep the tree to a smaller size.
> 

Dungrollin:
It's a technique called pollarding. It's similar to coppicing, but 
coppicing is where the tree is cut close to the ground, and 
pollarding is higher up. 

Simple explanation here:
http://www.maryrose.org/lcity/woodwork/woods-and-forests2.htm
More details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollarding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing

Or just do a google image search for 'pollarding' or 'coppicing' to 
see some pictures. Coppicing is (supposedly) a good management 
technique for increasing woodland biodiversity, particulary used for 
trees like Hazel.

Dung






From fluorite at swbell.net  Thu Oct 19 11:18:04 2006
From: fluorite at swbell.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:18:04 -0000
Subject: Book 7
Message-ID: <eh7mtc+t4ld@eGroups.com>

Hi Everyone.

I just finally completed my mini-version of book 7.  www.hp7ch1.com

Comments welcome.

Jeff  >^.^<






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 19 19:30:46 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:30:46 -0400
Subject: Really OT--Looking For Old Recording
Message-ID: <000901c6f3b5$13ed8080$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Okay, I know this is a list of folk with eclectic taste, so maybe, just
maybe, someone can help me?

I'm looking for a recording of Dick Hyman's "Moog--Electric Eclectics."  The
original LP was released in 1969 and a CD Remaster done in 1997, I believe.
If anyone has this, please write me off list.  It's a weird but cool
recording.

Cheers,

Lee :-)
"n2fgc at arrl.net

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 20:05:29 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:05:29 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh7kdi+ebsn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh8lq9+ae0f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Maria Vaerewyck"
<maria8162001 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > Not that it really matters to anyone, but I was in the book store 
> > the other day and saw a coffee table picture book titled 'Trees', 
> > and just as the title implied it was a book filled with pictures 
> > of /trees/.
> > (who knew?)
> > 
> > As I flipped through it I saw the absolute spitting image of the
> > Whomping Willow as seem in the movies, except it wasn't a willow 
> > it was a Hornbeam. ... instead of sub-branches, it had clusters
> > of thin willow like branches sprouting from the main heavy 
> > branches. In other words exactly as you see the Whomping Willow
> > in the movies.
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn
> >
> 
> maria8162001:
> 
> Hi Steve, can you give the full title of the book and the author, 
> please. I need the author because I'll be looking for it online
> (amazon), planning to buy one :-). Thanks
> 
> maria8162001
>


bboyminn:

I'll look at our local bookstore but it is very small. When I saw the
book I was in Minneapolis at Southdale mall. I may be going back up to
Minneapolis next week to see Driving Lessons, and I can check them,
but I'm sure the book was simply titled 'Trees' and it had a wide
green boarder on the green cover with a picture of a tree on it.

Steve





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 20:10:44 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:10:44 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow = Hornbeam Tree
In-Reply-To: <eh7lkb+7mgh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh8m44+4ugv@eGroups.com>

---  "Annemehr" <annemehr at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> 
> > This hornbeam had short extremely thick trunk and 
> > short thick main branches, but then instead of
> > sub-branches, it had clusters of thin willow like 
> > branches sprouting from the main heavy branches. In 
> > other words exactly as you see the Whomping Willow in
> > the movies.
> > 
> 
> It didn't grow that way naturally, it's been trimmed at
> the same spot every year (or maybe two).  That's why the
> trunk keeps growing thicker as it normally would, but 
> then the branches are alway young  and slim.
> 
> I saw a lot of trees like that in Britain; I guess they 
> do that to keep the tree to a smaller size.
> 
> I'll keep an eye out for that book, though -- I do like
> trees!
> 
> Annemehr
>

bboyminn:

As DUNG mentioned the technique is called 'pollarding', I
remember seeing that in the book but didn't understand what
it meant. None the less, it was the spitting image of the
Whomping Willow. I suspect that is where they go the idea
for the movie version of the Whomping Willow.

Steve/bboyminn






From random832 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 19 22:44:27 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:44:27 -0400
Subject: I have been a victim of muggle-baiting
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50610191544y56f134aaj60cdcbd5854eb477@mail.gmail.com>

The situation described in the books of a wizard charming someone's
keys to shrink [such that they seem to have disappeared] has happened
to my debit card

Last monday, I checked for it everywhere and could not find it. So I
went to the bank and had them send a new one, and several days later
the old one reappeared. Now, today, shortly after the new one arrived,
it disappeared - the old one is useless, and now i have to borrow a
card from my parents to make sure my netflix bill gets paid since it
got deactivated when i sent for a (third) new one.

Now, normally it would seem that I'm just careless, except for where
the old one reappeared - in my wallet. The only explanations are that
A) it was actually gone [or shrunk] and came back again or B) I was
confunded. So it seems clear that we now have a real-life example of
muggle baiting

(disclaimer: all of the above may not actually be true.)

-- 
Random832



From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 23:45:39 2006
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:45:39 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <eh6oo7+10bri@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh92n3+ot1i@eGroups.com>


> > Tonks:
> > I do not normally read fiction. HP was an exception. Since I love 
> HP 
> > and saw the LOTR movie, and know a lot of people who are obsessed 
> > with LOTR I tried reading the books. I just could not get past 
the 
> > first few chapters. He invented all of those words that I can not 
> > pronounce or remember. 


> CMC:
> I half liked LOTR, which I first read even before the Ralph Bakshi 
> version was out (terrible movie, but Leonard Rosenman's magnificent 
> score far surpasses Howard Shore's musical mediocrity). The 
sections 
> involving Frodo, Sam & Gollum are fraught with superb 
> characterization and complex psychological interaction (and it was 
> precisely those aspects which the Jackson film was weaker than the 
> narrative).  But all those battle/conferencing sequences with 
> Gandalf, Boromir, Legolas, et al. were of jaw-locking dullness (but 
> were correspondingly far more interesting on screen).  I had the 
> exact same reaction upon re-reading the trilogy just before the 
> Jackson film release.
> 
> I'd rather read Aquinas on the nature of the Trinity any day.
> 

Neri:
I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect. I count myself a 
*huge* LotR fan but the truth is I haven't reread it for at least ten 
years now. Also, LotR indeed has a very slow beginning, and I 
remember myself skipping lines and paragraphs for 100 or 200 pages 
before I really got hooked.

LotR is modern epic myth, as opposed to most modern fantasy 
(including The Hobbit and also HP) which is actually modern 
fairytale. The epic style of LotR can be very slow and tiring if 
you're not into it, in the same way that old myth like the Iliad, 
Beowulf or Le Morte d'Arthur can be extremely tiring if you are not 
into this style. You need to read LotR almost like you read poetry, 
for the rhythm and the sound and the atmosphere.


I sit beside the fire and think
of all that I have seen,
of meadow-flowers and butterflies
In summers that have been; 

Of yellow leaves and gossamer
in autumns that there were,
with morning mist and silver sun
and wind upon my hair. 

I sit beside the fire and think
of how the world will be
when winter comes without a spring
that I shall ever see. 

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood in every spring
there is a different green. 

I sit beside the fire and think
of people long ago,
and people who will see a world
that I shall never know. 

But all the while I sit and think
of times there were before,
I listen for returning feet
and voices at the door. 






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 02:18:37 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:18:37 -0400
Subject: {sniff} Sad ending for tonight's Supernatural - rawking season so far!
Message-ID: <1a2738400610191918j6e67e734p9d0921572ab0164b@mail.gmail.com>

Aww, I started crying at the end.  Man, they're going for those
moments of humour and then hit you with some emo. {sniff}  Gah, pretty
boys crying. {wipes tear}

Good ep with references to the bonds of love... and oh yeah, porn...
seriously.  Currently, I'm watching the episode again.

Either the CW (WB/UPN) network set to slaughter Supernatural by
pitting it up against top ranking series, Grey's Anatomy and CSI, at
the same time or they knew they needed a strong series for such a
brutal timeslot.

Dina



From enlil65 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 19 23:35:10 2006
From: enlil65 at gmail.com (Peggy Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:35:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have been a victim of muggle-baiting
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50610191544y56f134aaj60cdcbd5854eb477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7b9f25e50610191544y56f134aaj60cdcbd5854eb477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1789c2360610191635l14dff81ah5ebb6e161d74f79e@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/19/06, Jordan Abel <random832 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Now, normally it would seem that I'm just careless, except for where
> the old one reappeared - in my wallet. The only explanations are that
> A) it was actually gone [or shrunk] and came back again or B) I was
> confunded. So it seems clear that we now have a real-life example of
> muggle baiting
>
> (disclaimer: all of the above may not actually be true.)

Now I have to tell about how I once apparated...

I was three years old and my family had just moved to a new town.  I
was playing outside, running up and down a neighbor's driveway.  The
driveway went downhill and curved off to one side to their garage, and
I was thoroughly enjoying myself running down the hill to the garage,
turning around in a circle, and then up the driveway again to the
street.  It was a steep hill so the street would go out of view as I
went down, then it would come back into view as I ran up.  I did this
several times repeatedly until the last time I ran up the hill, but
didn't recognize where I was anymore.  I was lost and confused, and so
started walking down the street to find my house again.

I actually never did find my house.  I was picked up by two policemen
who saw me out walking on the street alone and asked me where I lived;
and of course I had no idea.  So they drove me around asking people if
they knew me until a neighbor recognized me.  It turned out I was
found walking about a mile and a half from home.

I really do remember this experience very clearly, and always felt
that when I went up that driveway the last time I did not come up at
the same place I went down!

When I found out about Apparition, well, that seemed to explain it.

My wandering experience was reported in the local newspaper that
weekend, so this is even documented.

-- 
Peggy Wilkins
"We Kingly Pigs"
enlil65 at gmail.com




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 20 05:41:07 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <eh92n3+ot1i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20061020054107.5048.qmail@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Neri wrote:
...
LotR is modern epic myth, as opposed to most modern fantasy 
(including The Hobbit and also HP) which is actually modern 
fairytale. The epic style of LotR can be very slow and tiring if 
you're not into it, in the same way that old myth like the Iliad, 
Beowulf or Le Morte d'Arthur can be extremely tiring if you are not 
into this style. You need to read LotR almost like you read poetry, 
for the rhythm and the sound and the atmosphere.

   
  Kemper now:
  You're right, LotR is a modern epic myth.  But what makes this myth epic is the lack of a blue pen striking through passages maybe even chapters.  
   
  I appreciate what's great about LotR: from what my progressive read interprets as a comment on Industrialization to Elfinese.  Creating a language is pretty incredible, but thankfully the Elves weren't as verbose as JTTR otherwise that book would've been hella long. 
   
  That said,  I recognize LotR's important role in fantasy (WoW or D&D, anyone?), but because something is important doesn't mean that it couldn't have been better.
   
   
  Kemper, who hopes that some day people are posting comments about his books, post-humously

 		
---------------------------------
How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger?s low  PC-to-Phone call rates.

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From darksworld at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 20 07:15:24 2006
From: darksworld at yahoo.com (Charles Walker Jr)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:15:24 -0000
Subject: Whence all the Newbies?
In-Reply-To: <eh60nh+gdg1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh9t2c+7a0p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I just noticed we've had over 1300 new members in the last week 
on 
> > > HP4GU - any one know where all these folks are coming from?
> > > 
> > 
> > Tonks:
> > 
> > It was because HPFGU was in the spotlight at Yahoo groups.
> > 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Still is :)
> 
> They rotate the groups and even though we are not here at this 
second, 
> we were a couple hours ago.
>

Charles:
Really? I came from HP Lexicon.

Charles Walker







From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 20 07:48:40 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:48:40 -0000
Subject: Some help from international list members? -India?
In-Reply-To: <eh1mku+621c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eh9v0o+u9co@eGroups.com>


> > bboyminn wrote:
> > yahoo.co.IN is that India????

Kelley:
I'm sorry, Steve, got behind on OTC and hadn't seen that 
you'd replied here; well, everything I've found re yahoo.co.in 
indicates it's India...that one that was just yahoo.com is, 
iirc, the one from the person in Egypt.

Secca:
> Kelley -- not sure if this helps, seems a pretty minor point 
> -- but I have several Yahoo accounts all over the world. These 
> are the way the addresses to those accounts appear. 
> 
> yahoo.it
> Yahoo.uk
> yahoo.in
> 
> They are NOT necessarily compatible with Yahoo.com in the US. 
> I tried to shut them down and combine all my accounts into my 
> new Yahoo dsl account. I was told it was impossible to get my 
> old stored e-mails and also impossible to get new mail from 
> these accounts forwarded "as the versions of yahoo being used 
> are not compatible" or some such...

Kelley:
Okay, yes, not compatible, definitely seems it's something along
those lines.  What's weird is that we have some new members who
have yahoo.co.in accounts and they're having no trouble posting
at all, while others' posts come through with no new text.  Also, 
it's apparently nothing to do with the posts being sent as emails 
-- from what I can tell, the posts are being made by webview.

At any rate, I've contacted Help at Yahoo! India, so hopefully
they'll be able to help me figure out what's going on..
 
> Good Luck! 
> 
> Have you tried the Deptartment for International Magical 
> Cooperation? ;)

LOL!  Now, *that's* the kind of help I need! :-D

--Kelley






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 20 12:23:06 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:23:06 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <eh92n3+ot1i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1GatP4-0000XW-3o@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Neri:
I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect. I count myself a 
*huge* LotR fan but the truth is I haven't reread it for at least ten 
years now. Also, LotR indeed has a very slow beginning, and I 
remember myself skipping lines and paragraphs for 100 or 200 pages 
before I really got hooked.




Sherry now:

I too read LOTR for the first time when I was around 14.  I read it every
year or so, even now, over 30 years later.  There are parts that drag too
much for me still, but I'm so familiar with the story, I know what chapters
to skip!  But overall, I actually love the words, the way Tolkien creates a
whole world and various peoples.  There is a lot of humor, joy, sorrow and
great adventure.  hmmm, it's always hard to explain why I like a book, so
ok, I just like it.  

Sherry




From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Fri Oct 20 13:27:55 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:27:55 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <E1GatP4-0000XW-3o@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ehaisr+n4bg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at ...>
wrote:
>
> Neri:
> I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
> age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sherry now:
> 
> I too read LOTR for the first time when I was around 14.  I read it
every
> year or so, even now, over 30 years later.  

Tesha:
It's good to hear there are others here who appreciate LOTR, and you
must be right. I was ripe for an adventure at 14, and I lived the
story. I'm sure its the reason I love to read today. I find there's a
cyclical pattern to my reading. I go from "candy" reading like S King
to Umberto Eco to science journals etc. etc. depending on how I feel
at the moment. Sometimes one just must reread AC Doyle or Joanne
Harris - I think Chocolat's next when I finish JKR this round.





From Schlobin at aol.com  Fri Oct 20 14:20:44 2006
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:20:44 -0000
Subject: Event announcement, and request for help with ideas..
Message-ID: <ehalvs+85r3@eGroups.com>

Magic in Manila: A Harry Potter extravaganza

Date:		Saturday, December 9th, 2006

Time:		Noon - 4 p.m.

Cost:		Free

Where:	Manila Community Center, 1611 Manila Drive, Manila CA

What:?	Harry Potter quizzes for kids and adults with prizes, magic 
and fantasy games for kids, story telling and book readings, magician 
performance, free food for kids, any kind of costume encouraged (but 
optional), used book give away..and more. Featuring a wide variety of 
books for sale particularly  suitable for holiday gifts.
Fun for the entire family!

Sponsored by:	The Manila Community Center in collaboration with 100 
Fires Books (100Fires.com)

For more information:	Call Susan McGee at 441-1434 or email at 
SusanGSMcGee at aol.com

Sponsored by:       The Manila Community Center in collaboration with 
100 Fires Books (100Fires.com)

 

For more information:     Call Susan McGee at 707- 441-1434 or email 
at SusanGSMcGee at aol.com









Now, for the help...


Anyone know of some creative reviews of the HP books? I'm working 
with an online bookstore (check it out at 100fires.com). If you'd 
like to make a donation of Quidditch  Through the Ages as a prize for 
the quiz events, you can do it through that website....

So, we're planning this event....
Going to callt he quizzes O.W.Ls and NEWTS.
Would like to do something around Hagrid's garden..
Any ideas for food, recipes?
What should we call the magician's performance?
We're going to have readings of the books..

Any other ideas?

Susan
(Interested in joining Harry Potter for Grownups Over 40? - email me 
at SusanGSMcGee at aol.com)






From lysles3 at aol.com  Fri Oct 20 14:16:14 2006
From: lysles3 at aol.com (Hilaire)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:16:14 -0000
Subject: Halloween and Harry
Message-ID: <ehalne+d4pc@eGroups.com>


Hi all!  I'm a lurker and finally have something to ask.  If you've
already covered this and I missed it, point me in the right direction,
please.  Here is what I wonder.  Why isn't Harry depressed at Halloween?
Most people I know who have lost loved ones often experience some
mourning around the death date.  Now I know he was a baby when he lost
them, but I was still surprised that this issue wasn't covered.  I
especially thought I'd see it in Sorcerer's Stone.  Any enlightening
thoughts about this?  Thanks in advance!

Hilaire







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 20 14:44:41 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:44:41 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Kelly and Jeralyn!
Message-ID: <ehancp+ro44@eGroups.com>

*drags in a box of decorations and starts hanging streamers*

What do you think, does this gloomy day call for something sparkly? 
Yes, I thought so, too.

*suspends gold and silver glitter above the party room*

There are nibblies and drinks on the tables at the side. Please, help 
yourselves. The cake is on it's way.

Today's birthday honourees are Kelly and Jeralyn/the Voicelady. 
Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Kelly at: 
kslivlib at yahoo.com and to Jeralyn at: voicelady at mymailstation.com

I hope both of you have wonderful days, filled with sunshine, joy and 
magic.

*opens the door for an elf bringing in a trolley with two towering 
cakes*

Okay, now we're set, let's turn on the music and have a party!

Happy Birthday, Kelly!
Happy Birthday, Jeralyn!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Fri Oct 20 13:42:36 2006
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:42:36 +0200
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <ehaisr+n4bg@eGroups.com>
References: <E1GatP4-0000XW-3o@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <ehaisr+n4bg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4538EE6C020000780000126D@SARBGIA1.RESBANK.CO.ZA>

> Neri:
> I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
> age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect.
>  
> Sherry now:
> I too read LOTR for the first time when I was around 14.  I read 
> it every year or so, even now, over 30 years later.  

Tesha:
> It's good to hear there are others here who appreciate LOTR, and 
> you must be right. I was ripe for an adventure at 14, and I lived 
> the story. I'm sure its the reason I love to read today. <snip> 


I think the first time I really read the lord of the rings, I was 
in my twenties.  I only discovered fantasy when I was about fifteen.  
It took me a while to get in to the lord of the rings, but, when I 
did, I was hooked.

Cairie




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Oct 20 17:11:07 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:11:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Halloween and Harry
In-Reply-To: <ehalne+d4pc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c6f46a$bbd7f180$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Hilaire]:
| Hi all!  I'm a lurker and finally have something to ask.  If you've
| already covered this and I missed it, point me in the right direction,
| please.  Here is what I wonder.  Why isn't Harry depressed at 
| Halloween?
| Most people I know who have lost loved ones often experience some
| mourning around the death date.  Now I know he was a baby when he lost
| them, but I was still surprised that this issue wasn't covered.  I
| especially thought I'd see it in Sorcerer's Stone.  Any enlightening
| thoughts about this?  Thanks in advance!

[Lee]:
Well, first, welcome from Lurkdom. :-)

I think you've answered your own question, friend...he has no real memory of
his parents and the Volde attack is only a blurry recall, mostly exacerbated
by the Dimentors.  I think things will strike home when he returns to
Godrick's Hollow.  For now, there's really nothing like a tangible memory,
only what the Dimentors have resurrected.

It's kind of difficult to feel depressed , IMHO, if one doesn't really have
a memory of the person lost.  I know I had a grandfather; I have recordings
of him and everything.  He died when I was barely two years old.  I know
from my Mom and Grandmother (Oma) that he adored me and kept me close to him
a lot, but I have absolutely no memory of it, of him, anything, so I don't
have any feelings one way or other about his death, only that the nature of
it, cancer, was awful.

Even with the deaths of my mother and grandmother, both back in 1980 and
1981, I don't feel anything on the deathdates...they're no different than
any other day for me.

People view things in so many different ways.  For myself, I don't believe
in making anniversaries of deaths.  Perhaps I may seem heartless, but every
year on 9/11, I sit and shake my head while people on the TV before me are
going through their grief again and again.  One has to move forward away
from the grieving to the light of what can be, again IMHO.  I guess I'm not
a griever; I sheds my tears and go forth to something new, a manner which
totally befuddled my relatives at my mother's funeral (and Mom and I were
like sisters, too).

In a nutshell, everyone views death differently and, I think, deaths like
Dd's and Cedric's and Sirius's are going to effect Harry a lot more potently
because (1) he really knew them and had interacted with them and remembered
them and how they died, and (2) he knew he was loved by Dd and Sirius, was
loyal to both Dd and Sirius, and may want a bit of revenge for the deaths of
those for whom he had so much love an respect.

I just thought of another thing which might touch here...remember, it wasn't
until Cedric's death that he saw the thestrals.  This means that he not only
saw but reacted and remembered.  He hadn't seen the thestrals before even
though, technically, he had seen a death but his memory and feeling for it
were not tangible.

Hope this rambling waffle makes sense.  It turned out longer than I thought
it would, but it is a complex issue.

Cheers on this rainy day.

Lee :-)
Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From seuferer at netins.net  Fri Oct 20 18:27:13 2006
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:27:13 -0000
Subject: Snupin Fanfiction Posted
Message-ID: <ehb4e1+isbp@eGroups.com>

I've posted a Lupin/Snape pre-slash fanfiction story at the
Lupin/Snape LJ community, here:

http://community.livejournal.com/lupin_snape/859682.html

Intellectual Curiosity Meets Irrational Desires.
Rated `G', Pre-slash
One shot

Severus is warring with what he wants, versus what he thinks he can
have.   He takes drastic measures in the hopes of helping him clarify
the situation.

I love comments, of course!
~Shanti


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 21 03:05:19 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:05:19 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <20061020054107.5048.qmail@web90404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ehc2pf+bn05@eGroups.com>

> Neri wrote:
> ...
> LotR is modern epic myth, as opposed to most modern fantasy 
> (including The Hobbit and also HP) which is actually modern 
> fairytale. The epic style of LotR can be very slow and tiring if 
> you're not into it, in the same way that old myth like the Iliad, 
> Beowulf or Le Morte d'Arthur can be extremely tiring if you are 
not 
> into this style. You need to read LotR almost like you read 
poetry, 
> for the rhythm and the sound and the atmosphere.
> 
>    
>   Kemper now:
>   You're right, LotR is a modern epic myth.  But what makes this 
myth epic is the lack of a blue pen striking through passages maybe 
even chapters.  
>    
>   I appreciate what's great about LotR: from what my progressive 
read interprets as a comment on Industrialization to Elfinese.  
Creating a language is pretty incredible, but thankfully the Elves 
weren't as verbose as JTTR otherwise that book would've been hella 
long. 

Alla:

I am truly amazed at how differently we view different books, hehe.

I last read LOTR couple of years ago, and I could not find **one** 
word to get rid of, literally. The whole book is like music to my 
ears, like highly enjoyable poetry.

I don't know, call it magic, I guess :)

I have to say though that when I first read LOTR in Russian, a bit 
more than a decade ago, I think I was around twenty- twenty one 
then, I did found it boring, but as I discovered that was totally 
due to the bad translation.

Oh well, to each their own. I love this book.

   
>   That said,  I recognize LotR's important role in fantasy (WoW or 
D&D, anyone?), but because something is important doesn't mean that 
it couldn't have been better.
>

Alla:

Heee, I guess I just don't see any room for improvement. To me it is 
perfect as it is.

I do not read LOTR for the characters for example, I certainly do 
not feel as emotionally attached to them, as I feel about HP 
characters, but I do feel emotionally attached to the whole world, 
including characters in it, if it makes any sense.

I also have to say that no matter how much I love JKR's characters, 
I can see more and more occurrences when the characterisation in her 
books IS sacrificed in order to move the plot.

I cannot spot **one** false note in Tolkien's characterizations. IMO 
of course.

    
>    
>   Kemper, who hopes that some day people are posting comments 
about his books, post-humously
> 
>
Alla:

LOL, Kemper, I will be happy to comment on your books any time, I am 
sure they are great :)





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Oct 21 01:09:56 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:09:56 -0400
Subject: Humbled by the top fan vidders RE: SPN vids
Message-ID: <1a2738400610201809j1b553148vc0a304581896ad21@mail.gmail.com>

Oh man, I must be a masochist... I watched Charmax and Luminosity's
vids again.  These vidders are considered among the best in any fandom
and I know after over five years of going in and out of the vidding
circles.

These gals produce *amazing* vids and watching them is like they do it
so *right* and I can't reach that level of artistry.

http://charmax.livejournal.com/60679.html

Charmax's Protege Moi (Placebo) SPN vid is partly in French and partly
in English.  Editing is amazing, starting with clip choices to color
palette.  She opted for a B&W color scheme and selective color
screening (I have the notes on how to do it in After Effects) to
emphasize red and you can see the bonds shared by the Winchesters.


http://sockkpuppett.livejournal.com/367238.html

Luminosity's Supernatural vid, Bricks (remix of Aretha Franklin and
Metallica).  I attended her convention panel on color palettes and
utilization of harmonious color schemes, and she *definitely* has an
incredible sense of aesthetics.  A high energy vid that includes what
makes SPN 'spooky'. :-)


If you're even remotely into watching vids, doesn't matter if you're
into Supernatural or not, these gals have done a wonderful job.

Heh, since Lum isn't here, even her hair is amazing because she's let
it go naturally grey with a mixture of her own color in these
cascading waves.  Looks *good* on her.  I'm in my late twenties and
have been dying my hair since my early twenties to cover grey hair.

The upside about being in the SPN fandom is that there are so many
places that have uploaded the episodes.  Most under f-lock but a few
like http://dunkle-feuer.livejournal.com/348327.html exist--hm, anime
LJ banner and jokes about Jensen Ackles having 'anime' eyes, wonder if
an anime fan started that one.  Ackles certainly has very pretty green
eyes, even when they're swollen from crying:
http://community.livejournal.com/entirelyjensen/224827.html?style=mine

{snort} Still amused about the 'forehead scar' he had for the first
2-3 eps this season.

Dina



From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Oct 21 18:25:35 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:25:35 -0000
Subject: Yahoo Responds
In-Reply-To: <egu17i+9i7a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehdomv+8vm8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> Toads? They're self-confessed Yahoos, which is to say they're a group
> of hairy, brutish, dirty subhumans like those depicted in "Gulliver's
> Travels." (Why any website or organization would name itself after
> such creatures is beyond my comprehension.) Toads would be a step up,
> AFAIC.

As they spell their name with an exclamation point ("Yahoo!"), I
always thought it represented the sound that people shout when they go
down the waterslide.





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 22 06:33:42 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:33:42 -0000
Subject: Yahoo Responds
In-Reply-To: <ehdomv+8vm8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehf3c6+ois3@eGroups.com>

Well so much for that! I just got a survey asking how they handled the 
problem. NOT!!!  They did not do anything!! 

OK folks get out your wands and desend on them... Any death eaters 
here? Looks... MUGGLES... their names is Yahoo... go get 'um!!

Tonks_op
Frustrated





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 22 06:38:45 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:38:45 -0000
Subject: Halloween and Harry
In-Reply-To: <ehalne+d4pc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehf3ll+dfd1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Hilaire" <lysles3 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi all!  I'm a lurker and finally have something to ask.  If you've
> already covered this and I missed it, point me in the right direction,
> please.  Here is what I wonder.  Why isn't Harry depressed at 
Halloween?
> Most people I know who have lost loved ones often experience some
> mourning around the death date.  Now I know he was a baby when he lost
> them, but I was still surprised that this issue wasn't covered.  I
> especially thought I'd see it in Sorcerer's Stone.  Any enlightening
> thoughts about this?  Thanks in advance!

Tonks:
Like Lee said Harry was too young to remember his parents. I suspect 
that he might feel the loss on his birthday and at other times when he 
sees how other children are treated by parents that love them. But it 
would not be a memory of his parents, just feeling that he is missing 
something that others have.





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 23 15:08:39 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:08:39 -0000
Subject: Happy Belated Birthday, Michelle!
Message-ID: <ehiltn+pm8d@eGroups.com>

*scurries around the party room, balloons trailing, streamers flying*

Hurry, hurry, there's a missed birthday to celebrate! 

*hangs the last streamer, turns up the music and tidies the food 
table*

There, that should be good. :)

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Michelle Barnett. Belated birthday 
owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Michelle at: 
firefightermichelle at yahoo.com

I hoped your day was filled with fun, magic and HP goodness.

Happy Birthday, Michelle!

No, I'm not forgetting the cake! *points to a towering cake on a 
separate table beside the nibblies*

I'd never forget something that important!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 23 15:16:05 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:16:05 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Pyrus Japonica!
Message-ID: <ehimbl+rg7d@eGroups.com>

*surveys the decorations with satisfaction, adding a touch of glitter 
suspended above the room*

You haven't had time to mess it up much, yet. *grins*

Just to make sure there's enough food, there's more waiting in case 
everyone is very hungry. Oh, and don't forget the extra cake I brought 
in, it's on a table beside the other one. 

Today's birthday honouree is Pyrus Japonica. Birthday owls can be sent 
care of this list or directly to Pyrus at: pjaponica at yahoo.com

I hope your day is filled with good food and good company and brings 
everything you wished for.

Happy Birthday, Pyrus Japonica!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From immortal1blue at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 24 00:05:43 2006
From: immortal1blue at yahoo.com (Arwen17)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:05:43 -0000
Subject: Fanfic Snapes
In-Reply-To: <eh598b+tn0i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehjlcn+p0p4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" 
<willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
>  "Arwen17" <immortal1blue@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there any really good Snape fanfics out there that
> > > don't push him wildy out of character??? I like him snarky!
> 
> Potioncat:
> Did someone say fan fic? I have a few recommendations for you. All 
of 
> these are at Fiction Alley but they also post at Sycophant Hex. 
> 
> My favorite author is Sigune (a fellow HPfGU member) She's written 
my 
> all time favorite fic "The Tunnel" and I also recommend "The Good-
> Morrow." But I'd suggest you read everything she wrote.
> 
> Two other authors at Fiction Alley are After the Rain and 
> Apothecaria. Here are links:
> 
> Sigune 
> http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/sigune/
> 
> After the Rain 
> http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/after_the_rain/
> 
> Apothecaria
> http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/apothecaria/
> 
> 
> For short fics (less than 500 words) with lots of snark try this 
> site, also at Fiction Alley.
> http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showthread.php?
> s=&threadid=39944&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=7
> 
> Whoa! That's a long address. Let me know if that one doesn't 
work.  
> I'm also not sure why Apothecaria's link doesn't look right, but 
once 
> you get to Fiction Alley you can find her on the list of authors.
> 
> I'll offer another, with more hesitation than you can imagine, but 
> not enough to prevent me entirely. I also write fanfics and 
attempt 
> to keep Snape in character.
> My fics are here.
> http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/potioncat/
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > Tonks:
>   Actually my favorite one has him as a 
> > real gentleman and is called "So many buttons, so little time".  
> > Perhaps I should say no more.  ;-)
> > 
> > Tonks
> > (blushing)
> 
> Potioncat, blushing too.
> Yes, that one does bring a blush and is very good. There are 
others 
> that will make your eyes pop, but I don't care for that sort, 
myself. 
> (It's Harry Potter after all.)
> 
> Happy reading!
> Potioncat
>




Thanks, guys! This will keep me busy for awhile. I was beginning to 
think that there weren't anymore good ones out there. Its so hard to 
find really goods ones amid all the hundreds of duds. But I'll enjoy 
these I can tell. I've gotta keep myself busy til the next movie or 
book comes out or I'll go insane. :P


Arwen17






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 24 14:27:06 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:27:06 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Dinah and Chancie!
Message-ID: <ehl7rq+spq3@eGroups.com>

*hangs streamers, blows up balloons and looks around to see what's 
missing*

*lightbulb goes off over the Birthday Elf's head*

I know *exactly* what's missing. :)

*hangs a multitude of Snape pictures around the room*

That ought to do it! *winks in Dinah's direction*

Today's birthday honourees are Dinah and Chancie. Birthday owls can be 
sent care of this list or directly to Dinah at: mrs_snape at softhome.net 
and to Chancie at: chnc1024 at earthlink.net

I hope you both have magical days, filled with fun, joy and HP goodness.

Just one more thing needed to get this party started!

*turns up the music and wheels in trolleys of nibblies, drinks and two 
towering cakes*

Happy Birthday, Dinah!
Happy Birthday, Chancie!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who could not remember if Chancie is a big a 
Snape fan as Dinah :D





From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Oct 24 15:40:46 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:40:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have been a victim of muggle-baiting
In-Reply-To: <1789c2360610191635l14dff81ah5ebb6e161d74f79e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01Rkl6NOPGQ00000a6d@compdevsys.com>

Wow!!!!! 
 
Michelle

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Wilkins
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:35 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I have been a victim of muggle-baiting



On 10/19/06, Jordan Abel <random832 at gmail. <mailto:random832%40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

> Now, normally it would seem that I'm just careless, except for where
> the old one reappeared - in my wallet. The only explanations are that
> A) it was actually gone [or shrunk] and came back again or B) I was
> confunded. So it seems clear that we now have a real-life example of
> muggle baiting
>
> (disclaimer: all of the above may not actually be true.)

Now I have to tell about how I once apparated...

I was three years old and my family had just moved to a new town. I
was playing outside, running up and down a neighbor's driveway. The
driveway went downhill and curved off to one side to their garage, and
I was thoroughly enjoying myself running down the hill to the garage,
turning around in a circle, and then up the driveway again to the
street. It was a steep hill so the street would go out of view as I
went down, then it would come back into view as I ran up. I did this
several times repeatedly until the last time I ran up the hill, but
didn't recognize where I was anymore. I was lost and confused, and so
started walking down the street to find my house again.

I actually never did find my house. I was picked up by two policemen
who saw me out walking on the street alone and asked me where I lived;
and of course I had no idea. So they drove me around asking people if
they knew me until a neighbor recognized me. It turned out I was
found walking about a mile and a half from home.

I really do remember this experience very clearly, and always felt
that when I went up that driveway the last time I did not come up at
the same place I went down!

When I found out about Apparition, well, that seemed to explain it.

My wandering experience was reported in the local newspaper that
weekend, so this is even documented.

-- 
Peggy Wilkins
"We Kingly Pigs"
enlil65 at gmail. <mailto:enlil65%40gmail.com> com



 


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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Tue Oct 24 16:14:00 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:14:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <E1GatP4-0000XW-3o@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01y49hej43i00000aca@compdevsys.com>

 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:23 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The
real story)



Neri:
I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect. I count myself a 
*huge* LotR fan but the truth is I haven't reread it for at least ten 
years now. Also, LotR indeed has a very slow beginning, and I 
remember myself skipping lines and paragraphs for 100 or 200 pages 
before I really got hooked.

Sherry now:

I too read LOTR for the first time when I was around 14. I read it every
year or so, even now, over 30 years later. There are parts that drag too
much for me still, but I'm so familiar with the story, I know what chapters
to skip! But overall, I actually love the words, the way Tolkien creates a
whole world and various peoples. There is a lot of humor, joy, sorrow and
great adventure. hmmm, it's always hard to explain why I like a book, so
ok, I just like it. 

Sherry



 
.
 Michelle here:
<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2766527/grpspId=1707544108/msgId
=30924/stime=1161347347/nc1=3848608/nc2=3848445/nc3=3848528> 

14... funny that was my exposure... give or take a year... I'm 36 now...
after the movies were released I really wanted to go out and buy the entire
series...but my memory says uhhhh no, they were too long ;-) BUT I've read
many a Stephen King novel...so I'm sure it'll be fine.
 
Will get the series again one day.
 
Michelle in phoenixville,_._,___ 


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From seuferer at netins.net  Wed Oct 25 04:27:39 2006
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:27:39 -0000
Subject: Lost Favourite Fanart Snapes!
Message-ID: <ehmp3r+88b0@eGroups.com>


Can anyone help me??

My favourite fan-artist of totally lovely photo-realistic 'Snapes' was
an artist whom I only knew as 'ledivinemarquis' on LiveJournal, though I
also sometimes heard her referred to as just 'The Marquis'.

Her journal has been 'deleted' since the last time I went there to
oggle.  She had one drawing that was especially lovely - a
Rickman-patterned-face-Snape, standing in his dungeons amidst cauldrons
and potions bottles, in his long black robes - and the robes were
completely *open*, so you had a delicous view of full-frontal-nudity
including a lovely, intact 'member'.  (I have a bit of a foreskin
fetish, so this fed all my 'kinks'.)  Severus had a scar on his chest,
across his abdomen, and across his left thigh.

This image was *exquisite*, but she had many others that were equally as
good, including a 'vampire Snape' which she had done entirely with a
*mouse* in photoshop, that was truly the best Snape I have still ever
seen to this day.

At any rate, enough gushing.  I am presently *grieving* because she has
deleted the journal and I have no idea where to go to view these lovely
pieces of art anymore.  *sob*

Help?  Please?  Anyone have any idea?

Thanks!

Lisa, aka Shanti






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 26 17:46:02 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:46:02 -0000
Subject: Calling all New Jersey Fans!
Message-ID: <ehqs8q+lnt5@eGroups.com>

Hello!  I am trying to get a group of NJ Harry Potter fans together to 
plans a book club, movie premier & final book release party, as well 
as some other fun stuff!  If you live in and around NJ, please email 
me and I'd love to send you an invite to this group!

Thanks!!!

Lauren





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 18:36:55 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:36:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Calling all New Jersey Fans!
In-Reply-To: <ehqs8q+lnt5@eGroups.com>
References: <ehqs8q+lnt5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0610261136q20aa67d8q978d0d7462a3eed3@mail.gmail.com>

Lauren, where in NJ will you be based?  I'm in Philadelphia and would
love to join the NJ group provided the meetings are in a place where I
can easily get to. Please let me know!

~Ali

On 10/26/06, laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello!  I am trying to get a group of NJ Harry Potter fans together to
> plans a book club, movie premier & final book release party, as well
> as some other fun stuff!  If you live in and around NJ, please email
> me and I'd love to send you an invite to this group!
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
>
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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Thu Oct 26 22:17:09 2006
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:17:09 -0000
Subject: Halloween and Harry
In-Reply-To: <ehf3ll+dfd1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehrc55+t9je@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Hilaire" <lysles3@> wrote:
> >
> > 
Why isn't Harry depressed at 
> Halloween?
> > Most people I know who have lost loved ones often experience some
> > mourning around the death date.  Now I know he was a baby when he 
lost
> > them, but I was still surprised that this issue wasn't covered.  I
> > especially thought I'd see it in Sorcerer's Stone.  Any 
enlightening
> > thoughts about this?  Thanks in advance!
> 
> Tonks:
> Like Lee said Harry was too young to remember his parents. I 
suspect 
> that he might feel the loss on his birthday and at other times when 
he 
> sees how other children are treated by parents that love them. But 
it 
> would not be a memory of his parents, just feeling that he is 
missing 
> something that others have.

And given how the Dursleys limited the amount of information 
concerning his parents, Harry might not even have known the exact 
dates of his parents death before coming to Hogwarts.

   - CMC






From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 14:42:14 2006
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:14 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
Message-ID: <eht5s6+s2t9@eGroups.com>

Someone on HP for Grownups brought up a discussion of Lavendar Brown, 
who is generally pictured in fanfics as a blond Caucasian girl due to 
complete lack of description in canon.  I always pictured her as a 
slender, pale girl with sort of mousy brown hair.  According to the 
movies, she's black.  Who knew?  Fanfics had a huge problem with 
Blaise Zabini - no one knew he was a boy for the longest time and he 
is female in many many fanfics!  My question for you is:  How have the 
movies influenced your view when you read the books?  Snape will now 
and forever be Alan Rickman when I read the books - I use Rickman's 
voice and inflections now when I read.  Harry will always be Dan 
Radcliff.  However, Movie Sirius and Movie Lupin are not even CLOSE to 
how I see them in the books, and we won't even discuss Dumbledore.  
Movie Hermione was dead-on as a child, but now... not so much.  What 
movie characters are closest to your book visions and why?  Does 
ANYONE not think Rickman is the most perfect Snape ever?

Cheryl





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 18:25:14 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:25:14 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <eht5s6+s2t9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehtiua+41u2@eGroups.com>

---  "Cheryl" <xcpublishing at ...> wrote:
>
> Someone on HP for Grownups brought up a discussion of 
> Lavendar Brown, who is generally pictured in fanfics as
> a blond Caucasian girl due to complete lack of 
> description in canon.  I always pictured her as a 
> slender, pale girl with sort of mousy brown hair.  ... 
> My question for you is:  How have the movies influenced
> your view when you read the books?  ...
>

bboyminn:

I don't substitute the movie characters for the book 
characters because I read the books before I saw the
movies. That said, Snape, Filch, Hagrid, and McGonnagal
from the movies are all extremely close to the way I
pictured them. Indeed they are so close the sometime
my mental images of them merge together.

While Dan, Emma, and Rupert are all close to MY Harry,
Hermione, and Ron, I do have my own unique image of them.
So, in that case, the movie images do not influence me.

As to Fan Fic, I usually just take it as it comes. I enjoy
the story and allow for some extrenal inconsistencies as
long as the internal facts are consistent and not 
glaringly counter to the books. As you rightly point out,
in some cases we don't know the details, so we can't say 
what is right or wrong independant of our personal image.

Here is a fun fact, or semi-fact, as the case may be, 
Draco is not discribed as having blond hair until Harry
sees him at the Quidditch (GoF) World Cup. That is four
book into the series. I always pictured him as blond, but
many fans pictured him having dark hair, and were surprised
when the author pointed out he was blond. At what point
did you realize that Draco was blond?

For the record, my image of Lavender is very close to your
own.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn






From deanna9869 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 13:07:36 2006
From: deanna9869 at yahoo.com (Deanna Bell)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:07:36 -0000
Subject: Calling all New Jersey Fans!
In-Reply-To: <ehqs8q+lnt5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eht0ao+c543@eGroups.com>

Lauren <laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
> Hello!  I am trying to get a group of NJ Harry Potter fans
> together to plans a book club, movie premier & final book
> release party, as well as some other fun stuff!  If you live
> in and around NJ, please email me and I'd love to send you
> an invite to this group!
>
> Thanks!!!


Hello Lauren!  Where in Jersey?  I'm in South Jersey right by
Philly.  I would definitely be interested!

Deanna




From zgirnius at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 20:02:23 2006
From: zgirnius at yahoo.com (zgirnius)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:02:23 -0000
Subject: LOTR ( was Who really killed DD - The real story)
In-Reply-To: <eh92n3+ot1i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehtokf+7fhu@eGroups.com>

 
> Neri:
> I suspect LotR is one of those books you need to read at the right 
> age. I discovered it at 14, which was just perfect. I count myself a 
> *huge* LotR fan but the truth is I haven't reread it for at least ten 
> years now. Also, LotR indeed has a very slow beginning, and I 
> remember myself skipping lines and paragraphs for 100 or 200 pages 
> before I really got hooked.

zgirnius:
I think, really, that it is more a matter of people's tastes. I 
discovered LotR at 7, and, though I liked the Fellowship, it was a bit 
too much effort to read. But I loved the beginning, because I had just 
read "The Hobbit", and it was great to see what Bilbo had done with 
himself after his big adventure. I still do, actually. The birthday 
party, the story of Sam the Spy, and the trip to Bree are all great 
(though I could live without the Old Forest). The following year, 
though, I finished the trilogy and have probably read it about 30 times 
since (I'm in my late 30s, so this works out to once a year, about). 

But I know people who did not enjoy having it read to them (a more 
typical way for a kid of single-digit age to experience Tolkien). And 
people who tried it in high school and didn't like it. And even someone 
who had never read it as a child, but loved the movies when they came 
out and read the books, and loved them even more, as an adult.





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 21:42:28 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:42:28 -0000
Subject: Calling all New Jersey Fans!
In-Reply-To: <eht0ao+c543@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ehtug4+v6id@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Deanna Bell" 
<deanna9869 at ...> wrote:
>
> Lauren <laurenmcoakley@> wrote:
> > Hello!  I am trying to get a group of NJ Harry Potter fans
> > together to plans a book club, movie premier & final book
> > release party, as well as some other fun stuff!  If you live
> > in and around NJ, please email me and I'd love to send you
> > an invite to this group!
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> 
> 
> Hello Lauren!  Where in Jersey?  I'm in South Jersey right by
> Philly.  I would definitely be interested!
> 
> Deanna
>

Hi Deanna & Alexis,
Well, I live in Northern Jersey, but that doesn't mean we can't meet 
up somehow/someway.  Email me off list and I'll send you an invite 
to the list!!!

~Lauren





From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 28 23:44:13 2006
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:44:13 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <ehtiua+41u2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei0q0d+7m3k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Steve" wrote:
> Here is a fun fact, or semi-fact, as the case may be, 
> Draco is not discribed as having blond hair until Harry
> sees him at the Quidditch (GoF) World Cup. That is four
> book into the series. I always pictured him as blond, but
> many fans pictured him having dark hair, and were surprised
> when the author pointed out he was blond. 

The colour of Draco's hair is described in PoA - in Chaper Fourteen 
(the English title of which escapes me - I only have the Norwegian 
translation at hand), Harry is using his invisibility cloak to follow 
Ron into Hogsmeade (for the second time, while he and Ron are at odds 
with Hermione over the whole Firebolt business), when they encounter 
Draco near the Shrieking Shack.  While Draco taunts Ron, Harry takes 
the chance to lob mud at Draco.  The books describes Draco's hair as 
silver blond.

Regards
Christian Stub?





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 15:23:24 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:23:24 -0500
Subject: Searching for a group and finding your IQ dropping
Message-ID: <1a2738400610290723q22a5703ci26261a90d7c049c9@mail.gmail.com>

As some of y'all may have gathered, I got interested in one of the
shiny "IT" fandoms of the moment, Supernatural.  I've enjoyed the SPN
community comments on LiveJournal but *loathe* the limited system
which LJ allows for notification of new replies to threads not started
by myself.  It makes keeping up with a discussion arduous, at best,
and LJ only allows 25 'event' (e.g. thread update) notifications.
It's rather like LJ tossing a small bandaid to someone with a limb
severed--obviously, not enough.

So, I speck out the largest SPN mailing list I find on Yahoogroups via
a directory search and come across
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/Supernatural_on_The_WB/  which has
over a thousand members.  I'm thinking 'cool'; with that many folk,
there's gotta be some good discussions.  Then I read what's posted and
the fact it seems only a handful of folk are posting, even though
*thousands* of messages are being generated per month, and the post
content is frequently cringe-worthy.  Though, I did have my doubts,
based on the group's mainpage presentation, that I may be dealing with
teenagers or at least those with a questionable view on
'professionalism', in the sense of administration purposes.

However, the kicker was when I read this SPN mailing list response to
a gal going no-mail because she was having surgery, for real:
[[
WOW!!!! Somebody on this list has a brain to have tumour in!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Of course everything will be saved, we have multiple freaks here for
that, And seriously PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE get better. Much fast
recovery and no ill effects.
]]

{blink, blink}

Suffice it to say, I placed that group on no-mail because I could
understand why only a small handful were posting and recycling the
same thoughts, which weren't all that inspiring to begin with and many
were entirely comprised with having absolutely no relevance to SPN.
It's no wonder that group was a cesspool of stagnant thought.

{sigh}

Dina



From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 29 16:47:39 2006
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:47:39 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <eht5s6+s2t9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei2lvb+a5qp@eGroups.com>

> Cheryl:
>
My question for you is:  How have the movies influenced your view 
when you read the books?  
<snip>

Dungrollin:
I've only seen each film once (and regret having bothered with the 
last two), and I find that they influence my reading for a few 
months, but eventually I get my own characters back. Except for 
Hagrid, I can't remember what my Hagrid looked like.

> What movie characters are closest to your book visions and why?  

Dungrollin:
Hagrid, presumably (although before film 1 I would have cast Brian 
Blessed), and McGonagall (anyone who saw The Prime of Miss Jean 
Brodie would have immediately cast Maggie Smith).

My Lupin looked much more like Mark Rylance, my DD *very* like Alec 
Guinness (though taller), and my Peeves will always be Rick Mayall 
(yes, I know Peeves doesn't appear in the films).

> Does ANYONE not think Rickman is the most perfect Snape ever?

Dungrollin:
Yes, me; and I appreciate this may make me unpopular. He's too old, 
he's not tall enough, and he's not spikey enough. And I hate the 
costume and the wig. He's too heavy on the sinister, overly-dramatic 
in the wrong places, and is not heavy enough on the sarcasm - though 
that may be due to the scripts.

If it had been me... well, ideally I'd have gone back in time 30-odd 
years and cast a young Ian Richardson (he played a Machiavellian 
politician in a BBC political drama called House of Cards in the mid-
90s. "You may very well think that, Matty, but I couldn't possibly 
comment," - any Brits remember?) More realistically, Richard E. 
Grant - he does a great line in apoplexy, although they seem to have 
cut all of Snape's good bits of fury from the films.

Just a personal preference.

While we're at it, (and it may have been mentioned before), does 
anyone else think that what JKR told Rickman was about Legilimency? 
All that eyeballing Rickman does when he's looking at Harry in the 
first two films makes me think so.

Dung





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Oct 30 03:28:43 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:28:43 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <ei2lvb+a5qp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei3rhb+2hda@eGroups.com>

 
> Dungrollin:
> Yes, me; and I appreciate this may make me unpopular. He's too old, 
> he's not tall enough, and he's not spikey enough. And I hate the 
> costume and the wig. 

Potioncat:
Not tall enough? He's 6'1" (according to IMDB). Snape is supposed to 
be shorter than Black. So I doubt canon Snape is over 6' Sad to say, 
he really is too old for this character. But never, ever would I want 
anyone else but Rickman for Snape. It does after all, put Snape in my 
age range. ;-)

Well, I don't care for any of the wizards' costumes (except for DD in 
the first two) or any of the kids' costumes. The women professors are 
alright. I thought, after Snape showed his dark mark in the books, 
that there had been a plan all along for his sleeves to be so long---
so to hide the mark. But they cut that scene anyway.

But that wig! They could have done much better.


Some time back, I was considering that canon!Snape would not be as 
yummy as Movie!Snape and was trying to picture a better image. There 
was a movie on the TV with a charactr that seemd to "be" canon!Snape. 
Turns out it was Tim Roth in Rob Roy. He is only 5'7"  I thought that 
was particularly interesting because I don't know Tim Roth from a 
housecat, but I'd read once that he had been an early contender for 
Snape.

Dung: 
> While we're at it, (and it may have been mentioned before), does 
> anyone else think that what JKR told Rickman was about Legilimency? 
> All that eyeballing Rickman does when he's looking at Harry in the 
> first two films makes me think so.


Potioncat:
It certainly seems so. But, really, sometimes it seems they get it 
right by accident.







From realbrad at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 30 05:27:26 2006
From: realbrad at yahoo.com (realbrad)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:27:26 -0000
Subject: Cool Free Novel Download Link
Message-ID: <ei42fu+85q1@eGroups.com>

I can't wait until the next HP book comes out.  The suspense is
killing me.  In the meantime, if you're like me, you try to find other
books to read.  That's why I'm passing this along.  A friend found a
free online novel download that is AWESOME.  It's called FRANK it's
about a brain transplant.  I don't know how much longer the book will
be free to download, but I would grab it I were you.  I found it at
the author's website:  www.fredpetrovsky.com

Brad







From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 30 08:26:38 2006
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:26:38 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
In-Reply-To: <ei3rhb+2hda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei4cvu+rk0j@eGroups.com>

> > Dungrollin:
> > Yes, me; and I appreciate this may make me unpopular. He's too 
old, he's not tall enough, and he's not spikey enough. And I hate 
the costume and the wig. 
> 
> Potioncat:
> Not tall enough? He's 6'1" (according to IMDB). Snape is supposed 
to be shorter than Black. So I doubt canon Snape is over 6' Sad to 
say, he really is too old for this character. But never, ever would 
I want anyone else but Rickman for Snape. It does after all, put 
Snape in my age range. ;-)
> 

Dung:
Really? Goodness. Shows you what a dreadful costume it is, because 
he doesn't look it at all. The robes and cloak should have been much 
longer, it would have made him look taller and thinner, (and 
therefore more spikey - so long as they didn't insist on that stupid 
wig). 

Potioncat:
> Well, I don't care for any of the wizards' costumes (except for DD 
in the first two) or any of the kids' costumes. The women professors 
are alright. I thought, after Snape showed his dark mark in the 
books, that there had been a plan all along for his sleeves to be so 
long--- so to hide the mark. But they cut that scene anyway.
 
Dung:
As I recall, the sleves are long but tight, yeah? I don't mind that 
so much, but what I do mind is that without a long enough cloak, he 
can't *sweep* out of rooms. That's important to me in the way I 
visualise him, he must *sweep*.

Potioncat:
> But that wig! They could have done much better.

Dung:
It's awful, isn't it? It's not even greasy.

Potioncat:
> Some time back, I was considering that canon!Snape would not be as 
> yummy as Movie!Snape and was trying to picture a better image. 
There was a movie on the TV with a charactr that seemd to "be" canon!
Snape. Turns out it was Tim Roth in Rob Roy. He is only 5'7"  I 
thought that was particularly interesting because I don't know Tim 
Roth from a housecat, but I'd read once that he had been an early 
contender for Snape.
> 

Dung:
I love Tim Roth, particularly enjoyed him and Gary Oldman in 
Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead; though I haven't seen him in 
much recently, except for To Kill a King (which is surely no 
longer 'recent'). Actually, thinking about it, Rupert Everett would 
have made a *fabulous* Snape. Ooh yes, that's who I'd have cast.

Dung







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 30 14:23:53 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:23:53 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday, Amber!
Message-ID: <ei51tp+dupn@eGroups.com>

*opens the crate of decorations, pulling out streamers, balloons and 
strings of lights*

Anyone up for a party to get this week started? Yes, I thought so. :D

Today's birthday honouree is Amber. Birthday owls can be sent care of 
this list or directly to Amber at: jenny.amparo at gmail.com

Of course we're not ready to go yet!

*brings in the trolley of sandwiches, drinks and a tall multi-
coloured cake*

It's not too early in the day for cake is it? <vbg>

*turns up the music and opens the party room door*

Let's get this party started!

I hope your day is filled with fun, happiness and everything magical.

Happy Birthday, Amber!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 30 16:36:20 2006
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:36:20 -0000
Subject: How we picture characters
Message-ID: <ei59m4+h1jj@eGroups.com>

Bboyminn wrote:
 As to Fan Fic, I usually just take it as it comes. I enjoy the story 
and allow for some extrenal inconsistencies as long as the internal 
facts are consistent and not glaringly counter to the books.

>>When you write a fanfic, it becomes really obvious how much detail 
has been left out of the books!  I suppose JKR would have had to add 
another hundred pages per book to describe everyone. Here is a fun 
fact, or semi-fact, as the case may be, Draco is not discribed as 
having blond hair until Harry sees him at the Quidditch (GoF) World 
Cup. That is four book into the series. I always pictured him as 
blond, but many fans pictured him having dark hair, and were 
surprised when the author pointed out he was blond. At what point
did you realize that Draco was blond?

>>That completely shocked me, (even Christian's correction that Draco 
was described in Book III) because I had always pictured him blond 
long before the movies came out.  Now I have to wonder why!  Perhaps 
simply because he's rather introduced as Harry's opposite:  dark 
hair, dark eyes versus pale hair, pale eyes.  Strangely, if Draco had 
been dark haired in the movies, I doubt it would change my picturing 
him as blonde in the books.  I've been known to disregard the 
author's descriptions when it doesn't conform to my mental image.  
Especially in romance novels, lol!

Potioncat wrote:
 Well, I don't care for any of the wizards' costumes (except for DD 
in the first two) or any of the kids' costumes.

>>The costumes irritate me so much in the later movies!!!  They wear 
jeans and sweatshirts and tennis shoes.  Obviously, they disregarded 
the entire "wizards don't understand muggle dress" concept and had 
everyone dress like muggles except for an occasional robe.  We won't 
even discuss Hermione's atrocious dress that made her look like a 
tortured bridesmaid.  Shudder.

Potioncat: The women professors are alright. 

>>I do love Emma Thompson as Trelawney.  Then again, I'd probably 
love Emma Thompson as Snape.  If anyone could pull that off, she 
could!

>>I had fun looking up everyone's ideas for character players.  
Didn't care for Tim Roth as Snape, although maybe with long, greasy 
hair it would have been easier to picture.  Brian Blessed would have 
been a good Hagrid, except he looks a bit sinister, I think.  Mark 
Rylance has a good face for Lupin, but I would have LOVED to see 
Peter Wingfield as Lupin.  He played Methos in the Highlander series 
and I think he has the perfect Lupin attitude.  Hmmm, and Adrian Paul 
as Sirius Black?  Now I'm just torturing myself.

Cheryl






From taguem at jmsearch.com  Mon Oct 30 18:20:22 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:20:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Calling all New Jersey Fans!
In-Reply-To: <ehtug4+v6id@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01bc01c6fc50$148dd320$0746dfdf@MichelleT>

I'm 40 minutes from Center City ... count me in!
 
Michelle in King of Prussia

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of laurenmcoakley
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:42 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Calling all New Jersey Fans!



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Deanna Bell" 
<deanna9869 at ...> wrote:
>
> Lauren <laurenmcoakley@> wrote:
> > Hello! I am trying to get a group of NJ Harry Potter fans
> > together to plans a book club, movie premier & final book
> > release party, as well as some other fun stuff! If you live
> > in and around NJ, please email me and I'd love to send you
> > an invite to this group!
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> 
> 
> Hello Lauren! Where in Jersey? I'm in South Jersey right by
> Philly. I would definitely be interested!
> 
> Deanna
>

Hi Deanna & Alexis,
Well, I live in Northern Jersey, but that doesn't mean we can't meet 
up somehow/someway. Email me off list and I'll send you an invite 
to the list!!!

~Lauren



 


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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 31 00:49:18 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:49:18 -0000
Subject: Calling all New Jersey Fans!
In-Reply-To: <01bc01c6fc50$148dd320$0746dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <ei66ie+ciqk@eGroups.com>

Are you folks familiar/associated with this group?
www.thewoodcrafter.net/hpe.htm 
If not, perhaps you'd like to make contact :-)






From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 31 07:25:06 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:25:06 -0000
Subject: Virus alert from HP4GU
Message-ID: <ei6toi+4rap@eGroups.com>

Hello all...

I keep getting sent e-mails from a 'sujii_dan' (or suji_dan)
They appear in my spam folder so I ignored them.

I didn't think much of this, thinking it just random, then one of the 
posts from this person used a post title from a post I made over in 
HP4GU as the 're:title' -- so I clicked on it. Luckily my anti-virus 
protected me.

There is no sujii_dan (or any variation similar) that is a member of 
HP4GU...

Not exactly sure what is going on here, it is possible this is all a 
mistake, but treat any e-mails from this person cautiously at the very 
least!





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 13:43:29 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:43:29 -0500
Subject: SpellCast features Halloween recipes
References: <1162295044.A756E7E@be12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <1162302212.255C9790@bb12.dngr.org>

I've enjoyed the intermittent cooking discussions here on OTC, so I 
wanted to note the current episode of FictionAlley.org's SpellCast 
(http://www.spell-cast.com), which includes a how-to on  tasty treats 
for your holiday feast in an interview with cauldroncakebkr.

  Don't put treats out among the boggarts and ghouls until you've 
downloaded SpellCast: Episode 9 at our website - 
http://www.spell-cast.com/index.php?post_id=146613 - or through iTunes - 
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=156422019 
!



From chnc1024 at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 31 16:26:53 2006
From: chnc1024 at bellsouth.net (Chancie)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:26:53 -0600
Subject: JKR Site updated...
Message-ID: <000b01c6fd09$654c4cb0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Chancie:

Happy Halloween everyone!  JKR has updated her site telling that she
has come up with another possible title for book 7, and that she's had
a "great writing week"!  

I just thought you might like to know!





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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 18:37:02 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:37:02 -0500
Subject: Heh, Winchester incest pumpkin, art by Ponderosa
Message-ID: <1a2738400610311037k670e874flc9b03dc7ef34f653@mail.gmail.com>

http://demonessjo.livejournal.com/55706.html

LOL!  Aye, the "most awesomest pumpkin that ever did awesome".  I'm
familiar with Ponderosa's HP art from the LJ community,
pornish_pixies, so it was interesting seeing her art in the SPN
fandom.  Looking at her LJ profile:
http://ponderosa121.livejournal.com/profile

And then looking at the other SPN art really confirmed my impression
of her artwork having an 'anime' angular nature but not the 'pointy
chin, Bambi eyes' type.  Weirdly, it never registered with the amount
of HP artwork I saw from her... Probably because there was so much HP
artwork generated and the 'anime' format was popular.  Took time off
from HP to explore Smallville and Supernatural where there's more
photomanips than drawn art and the effect becomes more noticeable.

Dina



From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 31 18:36:25 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:36:25 -0000
Subject: Happy Birthday x 3!
Message-ID: <ei8539+9bt3@eGroups.com>

*sits among boxes of decorations, pondering the possibilities*

Well, what do you think, should it be birthday party themed or should 
I be hanging all the spooky Hallowe'en decorations? 

*waits for response*

Oh, so we're really undecided, aren't we? Okay, I've got an idea.

*decorates half the room with a birthday theme and half the room with 
Hallowe'en decorations*

There, that ought to keep everyone happy!

Today's birthday honourees are Paul, Rachel Bray and our very own 
List Elf Kelley. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or 
directly to Paul at: paul-groups at wibbles.org, to Rachel at 
lewis.954 at osu.edu and to Kelley at: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net

I hope you all have magical days filled with fun, friends and 
everything magical.

*runs out to bring in nibblies, beverages and 3 very fat cakes 
covered in Fizzing Whizzbees*

Hey, I had to be creative, didn't I? <vbg>

Happy Birthday, Paul!
Happy Birthday, Rachel!
Happy Birthday, Kelley!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 31 20:40:05 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:40:05 -0000
Subject: Virus alert from HP4GU - Me Too
In-Reply-To: <ei6toi+4rap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ei8cb5+2jjo@eGroups.com>

---  "secca_pk" <o_secca at ...> wrote:
>
> Hello all...
> 
> I keep getting sent e-mails from a 'sujii_dan' (or 
> suji_dan) They appear in my spam folder so I ignored 
> them.
> 
> I didn't think much of this, thinking it just random, 
> then one of the posts from this person used a post title
> from a post I made over in HP4GU as the 're:title' -- 
> so I clicked on it. Luckily my anti-virus protected me.
> 
> There is no sujii_dan (or any variation similar) that 
> is a member of HP4GU...
> 
> Not exactly sure what is going on here, it is possible
> this is all a mistake, but treat any e-mails from this
> person cautiously at the very least!
>

bboyminn:

Hi, I'm getting the emails too. I receive them in my 
on-line Yahoo Mail webmail account so they don't actually
get downloaded into my computer. They appear or claim to
have photos in them, but the file extention of the 
attachement does not match any known photo/image type, 
this was the first clue to me that these were a Virus.

It is most likley that this person (Sujii_Dan) receives 
his group emails by POP mail, in otherwords they are 
mailed directly to his computer, and worse yet, he uses 
MS-Outlook to read them. Most likely he has received a 
virus from  another source that is now using his computer
to automatically email out copies of the virus to everyone
in his Outlook Contacts folder or possible any email 
address it can find anywhere on his computer.

That is Standard Procedure for Viruses like this, the 
person sending them doesn't even know they are going out.
To the person who IS sending these email out, the first 
clue that something is going on is that several emails 
will come back as undeliverable, and the person will know
that he didn't send them out. That should be a clue to 
immediately do a Virus Scan. 

To anyone in the group who is receiving these email, 
delete them immediately. 

As to this person not appearing to be in any of our 
groups, remember you can assign a secondary email address
to receive you emails at. So, the person's Yahoo User's 
Name doesn't necessarily have to match their email 
username.

Lastly, I avoid using Microsoft Products at all costs. 
Nearly every Virus out there is specifically keyed to 
us some aspect or security flaw in Microsoft's product.
Mozilla product may not be perfect but they rarely are
affected by Viruses. You can get Mozilla Thunderbird Email
for free and it is an excellent email program. You can 
also get Firefox browser in the just released Version 2.0,
also an excellent browser which has had features like 
Tabbed Browsing for years, and that Microsoft is only now
adding.

Everytime I open Internet Explorer, I have some new 
problem; some one tries to steal my Home Page Setting or
install some new Tool Bar behind my back. Firefox and
Seamonkey suite are, for the most part, trouble free.
As to Outlook, I haven't even configured it, so It 
actually won't even start properly and that is just the
way I like it.

Steve/bboyminn





From mg423804 at ohio.edu  Tue Oct 31 23:53:49 2006
From: mg423804 at ohio.edu (mgress08)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:53:49 -0000
Subject: WOMBATs
Message-ID: <ei8nmd+tm43@eGroups.com>

Hey I was just wondering how to register for the WOMBAT on J.K.'s
website. It says you need some sort of student ID but I really want to
take it! Thanks, Melissa