From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  1 05:38:31 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:38:31 -0000
Subject: Help I can't find T-bay
In-Reply-To: <ed5kkr+tnfr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ed8h0n+ij55@eGroups.com>

> Never fear, Potioncat is here...
> Here's a link that might help:
> http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html
> 
> It might get you started. If that doesn't help I might be able to 
find some post numbers for you. However, ACID POPS is a recent 
theory and I doubt it'll be at the above site. You might try looking 
using ACID POPS and Neri. He's the Captain of that ship. 
>  
> Potioncat stares sadly over the Bay, remembering pitchers full of 
> margaritas and wild ideas.
>

Tonks:

Thanks so much. And thanks to Elisabet too.  I wish they still kept 
a record of new ships in the bay. 

We should all have a big party on the beach (margaritas and all) for 
old times sake before the 7th book sinks all of our ships!

Thanks again.

Tonks_op








From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  1 17:50:39 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:50:39 -0000
Subject: Umbridge photo online?
Message-ID: <ed9rtf+84c6@eGroups.com>

I just came across a photo that looks like Umbridge as she'll look if
she survives to old age. You'll have to check it out soon as it won't
be at this link after today (it'll be archived for a week, so check
the Lives of the Week if you look for it in the next seven days):

http://www.oxforddnb.com/public/lotw/1.html

The mouth isn't quite wide enough but the face shape just shouted
"Umbridge" to me! Only she's given up on fake sweetness here.

Carol, who would run in the opposite direction if she encountered the
woman in the photo







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  1 17:54:13 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:54:13 -0000
Subject: Tropical Storm Ernesto... heh
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400608291120m7785de55t6e857c430313dc4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed9s45+etf9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at ...>
wrote:
>
> I looked at the projected path for Ernesto and was *vaguely* amused
> it's *trying* for 'equal opportunity' damage across Florida.  C'mon,
> it's going *straight* up almost the *entire* state, minus the
> panhandle of FL.
> 
> Dina
>
It's heading straight for my ex-husband in North Carolina last I heard. 

Carol, who actually hopes that her ex and his *third* wife don't
suffer any harm or property damage






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  1 18:08:18 2006
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:08:18 -0000
Subject: Help I can't find T-bay
In-Reply-To: <ed8h0n+ij55@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ed9sui+9cfa@eGroups.com>

> > Never fear, Potioncat is here...
> > Here's a link that might help:
> > http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html
> > 
> > It might get you started. If that doesn't help I might be able to 
> find some post numbers for you. However, ACID POPS is a recent 
> theory and I doubt it'll be at the above site. You might try looking 
> using ACID POPS and Neri. He's the Captain of that ship. 
> >  
> > Potioncat stares sadly over the Bay, remembering pitchers full of 
> > margaritas and wild ideas.
> >
> 
> Tonks:
> 
> Thanks so much. And thanks to Elisabet too.  I wish they still kept 
> a record of new ships in the bay. 
> 
> We should all have a big party on the beach (margaritas and all) for 
> old times sake before the 7th book sinks all of our ships!
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Tonks_op
>

Carol responds:
The Inish Alley link has been changed--it doesn't work from the
document Potioncat linked to. It's now
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=28

Or you can just go to the database on the main list and find it there.
And guess what? ACIDPOPS is listed.

Carol, thanking the elves for keeping up with their duties (and SSS
for reinstituting the chapter discussions)







From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Sun Sep  3 19:47:29 2006
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:47:29 +0100
Subject: Announcement: Sectus 2007
Message-ID: <6493bc80609031247w5b8e211bmcfac6f2ae758c890@mail.gmail.com>

Sectus 2007 is an unofficial Harry Potter conference being held in London
from 19-22 July 2007.

This is a unique opportunity to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the Harry
Potter books in the country where it all began.  Sectus will be held in the
heart of the capital, close to Regent's Park and within easy walking
distance of Oxford Circus, Madame Tussaud's and King's Cross.

Sectus will comprise a varied mixture of academic papers, panels, informal
discussions and workshops.  We already have Steve Vander Ark, creator of the
Harry Potter Lexicon, confirmed as a guest speaker, and some exciting
proposals lined up from all areas of fandom.

Call for Papers

For the academic side of the programming, we're seeking papers on a wide
range of topics - the following are just some suggested themes:
*
- Science and technology.* Can science be said to exist in the Wizarding
World, and if so, how far does it reflect our real-world knowledge? Is magic
bound by the laws of physics

*- Mythology, alchemy and symbolism.* How myths and legends support
Rowling's storytelling, and how an examination of alchemical theory and
symbolism can help us unravel the secrets within the text

*- Education*. The portrayal of education in the Wizarding World, the
effective use of Rowling's books in real-world education and is the 'reading
revolution' a myth?

*- Social and political issues*. Explorations of class, race, gender and
sexuality in the narrative, the Wizarding World and/or derived fan works.

-  *Fandom history*. From paper to screen - how would the HP fandom have
fared without the internet, and what lies ahead for the fandom after the
publication of the seventh book?

*- Fandom issues. * Staying on the right side of international law, fan
fiction vs. fan art, gender and the fan community.

Proposals for papers on these or other topics, or for any other events,
should be sent to submissions at sectus.org.  Full guidelines for submission
can be found at http://www.sectus.org/programme.php

The deadline for submitting proposals is 31st January 2007.

Extra-curricular activities:

As well as the academic side of the conference, we will be running a unique
Wizarding Tournament.  This is open to all attendees, and will consist of
three tasks, culminating in a treasure hunt around London.

At the centre of the tournament will be Not the Yule Ball, a formal dinner
and opportunity for some well-mannered frivolity.  Entertainment will be
provided by ZHL Strings, a string quartet renowned for their energetic
performances.  Tickets are not included in the registration price, and will
be on sale soon.

Outside the conference:

For those who want to extend their trip into a full holiday, we're offering
two options.

Starting on 14th July 2007, we will be running a series of sighseeing trips
and activities designed to help you make the most out of your stay in
London.  As well as the usual sights, we're planning a themed medieval
banquet and a cruise down the Thames.  All suggestions are accepted: please
email info at sectus.org with your preferences.

Also in the works is a trip to Alnwick Castle, better known as Hogwarts from
the first two films.  This trip is to be held on Wednesday July 18th, and
will include a tour of all the filming locations in the castle, lunch in the
castle restaurant, organised games and a themed gift bag.  Tickets for this
trip will be on sale shortly: please watch the website and/or LJ community
(sectus_2007) for details.

All pre-conference events will be organised on an informal basis, and are
subject to availability and demand.  Payment for some events may be required
in advance.

If you're looking for a way to relax after a busy conference weekend in
London, you might be interested in our Residential Course.

>From Monday 23rd July until Sunday 29th, we will have exclusive use of a
bunkhouse in an isolated part of Snowdonia, North Wales.  As well as the
academic programming, which will consist of presentations and
roundtable-style discussions, there will be plenty of opportunity to relax
and explore your surroundings in one of the most unspoiled areas of Britain.

The cost of the Residential Course is ?250 (payable in installments), which
includes travel to and from London, six nights' accommodation and all meals
for the duration of our stay.  Further details and a booking form are
available at http://www.sectus.org/residential.php

Please note that places on the Residential Course are extremely limited, so
book early to avoid disappointment.

Where your money goes

Sectus is completely non-profit and run entirely by volunteers.  Unlike
other conferences, everyone involved in running Sectus pays the same
registration, accommodation and travel as everyone else.

Any surplus resulting from the event, as well as any proceeds from our
Charity Auction, will go directly to Book Aid International, an organisation
who work to provide books to libraries, hospitals, refugee camps and schools
in the developing world.

We hope you will join us in supporting this worthy cause.

Registration and where to find out more

You can book for Sectus on our website, at
http://www.sectus.org/registration.php

Our special early booking rate of ?45 is available only until 31st October
2006.

We have the following options for those wanting to be kept informed of
updates:

Our website: www.sectus.org
LJ announcements community: sectus_2007
LJ discussion community: sectus_chat

Additionally, all major announcements will be made to the HPfGU lists and
distributed to the major websites.  If you run a website and would like to
receive press releases, please email chair at sectus.org.

Everyone registered for the conference will receive our newsletter, The
Snake's Quill, direct to their inbox.

If you have any queries, please feel free to contact me directly, off-list.

I look forward to welcoming you to London next summer!

Regards

Elanor Isolda
Conference Chair
Sectus 2007

-- 
http://elanor-isolda.livejournal.com

Celebrate the 10th anniversary of Harry Potter in London!  Register now for
Sectus 2007 at http://www.sectus.org


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  6 03:08:03 2006
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:08:03 -0000
Subject: Latest wizard of the month on JKR website and related thought
Message-ID: <edle2j+fkcl@eGroups.com>

I am sure that by now everybody saw the latest wizard of the month 
on website ( it had been there several days, I think) Too funny, I 
should say. :)

Hambledon Quince
1936 - present 
Author of controversial theory that wizards originate from Mars, 
Muggles from mushrooms.


But what I am thinking about is the age of this wizard or more like 
the fact that he is still living. Do you think that the fact that 
JKR sort of extends the timeline of wizards life in the present time 
( after the books timeline) may mean that wizarding world survives 
the war intact, as a whole I mean?

The previous wizard of the month ( cleaning guru - too lasy to check 
her name) also seemed to live beyond the books timeline.

Does it mean something that JKR thinks of them in present time? Is 
this speculation valid at all?

Alla.








From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Sep  6 15:28:45 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 11:28:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Latest wizard of the month on JKR website and related thought
In-Reply-To: <edle2j+fkcl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01lh6uUhtbW00002046@compdevsys.com>

Haven't been to the site recently...but if his birth date is infact 1936
that makes him only 70 this year.
 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dumbledore11214
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:08 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Latest wizard of the month on JKR website and
related thought



I am sure that by now everybody saw the latest wizard of the month 
on website ( it had been there several days, I think) Too funny, I 
should say. :)

Hambledon Quince
1936 - present 
Author of controversial theory that wizards originate from Mars, 
Muggles from mushrooms.

But what I am thinking about is the age of this wizard or more like 
the fact that he is still living. Do you think that the fact that 
JKR sort of extends the timeline of wizards life in the present time 
( after the books timeline) may mean that wizarding world survives 
the war intact, as a whole I mean?

The previous wizard of the month ( cleaning guru - too lasy to check 
her name) also seemed to live beyond the books timeline.

Does it mean something that JKR thinks of them in present time? Is 
this speculation valid at all?

Alla.



 


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From queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  9 10:58:11 2006
From: queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com (Maria)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:58:11 -0000
Subject: 99 Hermione Granger Portrait Recs
Message-ID: <edu6o3+2ei7@eGroups.com>

99 Hermione recs. Some purty, some so cute it hurts, some wierd, or 
wonderfully realistic, and some are just  downright scary. There's a 
whole lot of variety in HP fandom which needs to be celebrated.


http://teawithvoldy.livejournal.com/225063.html
 








From phil at pcsgames.net  Sat Sep  9 15:11:12 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: Length of Book Seven
References: <ec4ugg+6ouj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c6d422$344806f0$6600a8c0@phil>

A UK tabloid is reporting a new quote from J.K. Rowling regarding the length so far of Book Seven. 
Hardcover Books and their sizes by J. K. Rowling 
223 pages Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone 
251 pages Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 
315 pages Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban 
607 pages Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 
645 pages Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
766 pages Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix 
"I'm up to about 750 pages now" Book Seven 
on 8 September 2006.
 


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  9 16:46:09 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:46:09 -0000
Subject: Length of Book Seven
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c6d422$344806f0$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <edur4h+kfst@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Phil Vlasak" <phil at ...> wrote:
>
> A UK tabloid is reporting a new quote from J.K. Rowling regarding
the length so far of Book Seven. 
> ...
> "I'm up to about 750 pages now" Book Seven 
> on 8 September 2006.
>  


bboyminn:

Keep in mind that this was in "The Mirror" which is a 
tabloid one step short of "Tony Blair is a Space Alien" 
caliber new reporting. 

Also, several other news reporters were at the same tea 
and none of them are reporting the same story.

As a side note, during the tea Rupert got to close to a
tea candle and started his shirt on fire. Ever so cool, 
he put it out and said it was OK because the shirt looked
cooler with a hole in it. 

Also, since JKR is still writing the books, it couldn't 
possibly be 750 printed pages. It is probably 750 pages
in her word processor, but we don't know if that is 
double spaced, wide margins, or whatever. It is very hard
to draw a direct parallel between pages of manuscript 
and pages of actual book. 

Keep in mind that to keep the book size reasonable they 
frequently mess with things life font face and type size. 
Reduction of a single point of font can substantially 
reduce the size of a large book. Notice how they manage 
to get those great big hard cover books into those tiny 
little paperbacks.

Many have said that until JKR confirms this on her website
they are taking it with a gain of salt.

Steve/bboyminn







From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 10 07:36:45 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (Argus Pyrites)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 07:36:45 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
Message-ID: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com>

Argus Pyrites Writes:

Hello all!! I'm absolutely new to HP4GU, and HP4GU OTC (Though far 
from a new HP fan) -- so I figured why not start things off with an 
inflamatory thread?

If you go Mrs. Rowling's website at jkrowling.com and click on the 
clip portkey that takes you to the fansites, then decide you want to 
visit the first website that won the coveted J.K. Rowling Fan Site 
Award -- well, then you click on the link that takes you to 
Immeritus.

Everything is fine so far, so what is my point? Well, there you are 
at Immeritus. You spot a link named "Fandom Glossary". You only know 
so much about Fanfics, so are curious. You click. A large type 
warning in red states "THIS GLOSSARY CONTAINS GRAPHIC ADULT 
CONTENT". Even more curious, you proceed. Say you click on :F:

Fanon 
Feedback 
Flame 
Felching 
Femmeslash 
Frottage 
First Time 
Fluff 

Umm... I won't define these, as several of them are *quite* rude. 
Now I got here quite easily in a few clicks from Mrs. Rowlings site. 
Then I imagined my 11 year old daughter (who is *almost* as big a HP 
fan as I am) doing what I just did. I am *not* ready to discuss 
Felching with my 11 year old!

I believe firmly in freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I 
am not shocked or surprised at these terms, or that they are being 
used in Fanfics regarding Harry Potter. My point is, that while the 
Adult Content fanfic at Immeritus seems well protected, this 
glossary is listed on the homepage.

I've written Immeritus, who seemed very understanding, but said it 
was low priority for them. I've written Christopher Little Agency 
lawyers, who said they would look in to it. This was a while ago.

So, it boils down to this. Am I overreacting? It deeply bothers me 
that children might be running across this sort of information 
directly off Mrs. Rowlings site. If I am, I'll shut up and leave it 
alone. If not, then I think perhaps a few more e-mails might be in 
order...

Thanks, Argus











From wuff at internode.on.net  Sun Sep 10 09:37:52 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:37:52 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com>
References: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4503DCF0.7050203@internode.on.net>

Argus Pyrites wrote:
> Argus Pyrites Writes:
> 
> Hello all!! I'm absolutely new to HP4GU, and HP4GU OTC (Though far 
> from a new HP fan) -- so I figured why not start things off with an 
> inflamatory thread?
> 
> If you go Mrs. Rowling's website at jkrowling.com and click on the 
> clip portkey that takes you to the fansites, then decide you want to 
> visit the first website that won the coveted J.K. Rowling Fan Site 
> Award -- well, then you click on the link that takes you to 
> Immeritus.
> 
> Everything is fine so far, so what is my point? Well, there you are 
> at Immeritus. You spot a link named "Fandom Glossary". You only know 
> so much about Fanfics, so are curious. You click. A large type 
> warning in red states "THIS GLOSSARY CONTAINS GRAPHIC ADULT 
> CONTENT". Even more curious, you proceed. Say you click on :F:

It's possible that JKR doesn't realise this, drop them a line about it.

A lot of commercial pages will often include a warning that they can't
be held responsible for outside links.

Unlike books, webpages can change almost entirely overnight...
a new owner might have different ideas about things.

Yeah, e-mail them, explain the problem, be nice.
ten chances to one they will take steps to fix this.

It's likely the webmaster at JKR.com would like this info.

Wolfie!



From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Sep 10 13:36:29 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:36:29 -0000
Subject: Length of Book Seven
In-Reply-To: <edur4h+kfst@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee14ct+jptq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that to keep the book size reasonable they 
> frequently mess with things life font face and type size. 
> Reduction of a single point of font can substantially 
> reduce the size of a large book. Notice how they manage 
> to get those great big hard cover books into those tiny 
> little paperbacks.

That reminds me, does anyone know anything about the rumor that
hardcover books actually cost LESS to manufacture than paperback books?








From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Sep 10 14:12:17 2006
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 14:12:17 -0000
Subject: Latest wizard of the month on JKR website and related thought
In-Reply-To: <edle2j+fkcl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee16g1+96sd@eGroups.com>

Alla: 

> 
> The previous wizard of the month ( cleaning guru - too lasy to check 
> her name) also seemed to live beyond the books timeline.
> 
> Does it mean something that JKR thinks of them in present time? Is 
> this speculation valid at all?


Potioncat:
You know, I've never been a fan of "End of the Wizarding World" as an 
end to the series--and I think you've found a nice clue that it doesn't 
end. Add that to the happy birthday wishes, and I think the WW is safe.
JMO, of course.







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 10 18:26:36 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:26:36 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com>

---  "Argus Pyrites" <o_secca at ...> wrote:
>
> Argus Pyrites Writes:
> 
> ...
> 
> ... at jkrowling.com ... you click on the link that 
> takes you to Immeritus.
> 
> ... You spot a link named "Fandom Glossary". You only 
> know so much about Fanfics, so are curious. You click. 
> A large type warning in red states "THIS GLOSSARY 
> CONTAINS GRAPHIC ADULT CONTENT". Even more curious, 
> you proceed. Say you click on :F:
> 
> ...
> Felching 
(added:/a particularly gross form of oral stimulation/)
> Femmeslash 
> Frottage 
> ...
>
> Umm... ... several of them are *quite* rude. 
> ... 
> Then I imagined my 11 year old daughter ... doing what 
> I just did. I am *not* ready to discuss Felching with 
> my 11 year old!
> 

bboyminn:

Here's the thing, at the top of the page is a warning, as 
soon as your child saw that she should have moved on. It
should have been a sign to her that this material was
inappropriate. Simple as that.

It's like when a TV show comes on that you think is 
inappropriate, you can sit and whine, or you can change
channels. It is not up to the world to protect you, it
is up to you to protect yourself and your family, and
you do that by following the advise below.

This IS precisely what you need to talk to your daughter 
about, and you really should have done it long before now.
When ever she finds herself confronted with inappropriate
behavior or material in real life or on the internet, you
should have told her long ago, what you think her proper 
response should be. 

She may be confronted by bullies at school, what does she
do? She may soon be at a party where kids are drinking, 
how is she suppose to react? She may soon be offerred 
drugs, how does she deal with it? She may soon be 
enticed into actions of a sexual nature, how is she 
suppose to respond? You /assume/ she knows, but have you
actually told her, and is what you told her a genuine 
logical realistic strategy to cope with these situations?

Too many parent, and admittedly I can't speak of you 
personally, assume their children know these things, too
many parents assume their children have pick up their 
values by osmosis, but if you aren't directy and bluntly
expressing your views and giving your child guidance then 
you are failing as a parent.

So, if you have raised your daughter right, and have 
clearly expressed your views on the many social dilemmas
that every kid eventually faces, then you have nothing to
worry about.

One last point, it's not up to you to decide when your
daughter should learn about 'felching', it's up to her.
When the time comes, she will learn one way or the other,
whether you are ready or not. Though, I sincerely hope
she is never ready to learn that particular term. 

That is the way a free society works. PARENTS actually 
(not by assumption, but by direct action) instill values
in their children then trust that their children will 
make the right decisions. Instilling of values is NOT a
long list of "DON'T"s, it is a long list of "DO"s. When
in this situation, DO this. That is a far better strategy
for dealing with situations, than merely saying to your
child 'don't' get in that situation. They need realistic
coping strategies, not a list of "don't"s. 

I can't speak of you personally, it's possible that you 
are a brilliant parent. But have you actually spoken to
your kids in an intelligent articulate accurate way about
the things they will face in life; sex, drug, rock and 
roll. Or, are you just assuming they know about these 
things?

Too many parent are afraid to talk to their kids because
they think speaking of these things will make them a very
appealing 'forbidden fruit'. But if you don't speak of 
them, if you don't make your position crystal clear and 
do so with logic and reason, then you have no one to 
blame but yourself when you kids make the wrong decision.
If you don't make it clear where the 'lines' are in life,
then how can you expect them to know when they step over
that 'line'? Kids don't just absorb values and strategies
for coping with situation, those values, guidelines, and 
responses to situations need to be clearly and frequently
stated by the parent.

The child may or may not follow the 'strategy' when they
are confronted with the situation, but at least they have
a guideline to use in making their decision.

Sorry to be so blunt.

Steve/bboyminn







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 19:51:12 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:51:12 -0400
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com>
References: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com> <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609101251te5b96b9jf8ce16b69cc45d51@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/06, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> One last point, it's not up to you to decide when your
> daughter should learn about 'felching', it's up to her.
> When the time comes, she will learn one way or the other,
> whether you are ready or not. Though, I sincerely hope
> she is never ready to learn that particular term.

Hm, and a view from the other side:  I'm somewhat offended that a
consensual act between adults (man/woman, man/man, or trio or more
combinations) was referenced in such a manner of distaste.  Granted,
there are a variety of adult activities that I'm not interested in
doing, but there are folk who enjoy it and they're not molesting kids
or torturing animals or blowing up buildings in acts of terrorism or
one of the most heinous of all acts... pulling off the 'do not remove'
tags from mattresses.  Unfortunately, there are much *worse* things
out there than some folk's fairly harmless--though sometimes not very
sanitary--kinks.

Yeah, kids are going to find out about this stuff and it's probably
going to be from fellow classmates.  Isn't there a phrase about
'knowledge being power'? {g}  Sexual slurs are a weapon in school,
best to be armed with an understanding of what's being said and the
sense and decency of when and when not to use the info.

Dina



From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep 10 23:35:16 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (Argus Pyrites)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:35:16 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee27fk+72di@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
<snip> 
> Sorry to be so blunt.

Blunt is not the right word. 

So, I'll put you down for: "No, I don't have a problem with it. I think 
responsibility for one's children rests with the parent, *not* 
ineffectual internet safeguards", then?








From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 11 00:12:48 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (Argus Pyrites)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:12:48 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400609101251te5b96b9jf8ce16b69cc45d51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee29m0+e8k4@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote:

> Yeah, kids are going to find out about this stuff and it's probably
> going to be from fellow classmates.  

Argus Pyrites responds:

Yes but that presumes that Felching (and many of the other hardcore 
terms glossed) is in the average 11 year olds knowledge base. I 
personally, don't believe it is. Sex? Absolutely! But obscure, not 
oft mentioned sexual kinks? 

Also, jkrowling.com is a site designed /for/ children. 
She /personally/ gave Immeritus the Fan Site award. My concern here 
is not just my children. Originally, I was not going to say anything 
about this. I imagined my daughter coming up and asking "Dad, do 
real people actually "Felch" each other? Seems gross to me!" That 
thought did /not/ propmt my past e-mails or these posts. What 
prompted me into action was this thought --

  "Jo Rowling Condones Hardcore Porn?"

splashed across the front page of the Guardian or the Sun or the 
Times.

But, the reason I have brought this up is to try to get a broad 
range of views, not just my own, I'm generally a knee-jerk liberal, 
so this sort of thing feels a bit awkward to me. I do appreciate the 
feedback I've gotten so far, and hope to get a bit more!






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 00:55:25 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:55:25 -0400
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee29m0+e8k4@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400609101251te5b96b9jf8ce16b69cc45d51@mail.gmail.com>
	 <ee29m0+e8k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609101755x1f937282q9912030e02c74935@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/10/06, Argus Pyrites <o_secca at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Yes but that presumes that Felching (and many of the other hardcore
> terms glossed) is in the average 11 year olds knowledge base. I
> personally, don't believe it is. Sex? Absolutely! But obscure, not
> oft mentioned sexual kinks?

Clearwater, home of Scientology and early sex education of various
kinks. {g}  By eleven, we were required to take sex education courses
as part of the public school system... and learn how to place a condom
on a cucumber. ;-)  I remember being rather impressed by the lady
demonstrating because she had long nails and she was stretching the
latex over her hand without ripping it to dispel some of the beliefs
in condoms ripping easily.  Heh, many were giggling.


> Also, jkrowling.com is a site designed /for/ children.
> She /personally/ gave Immeritus the Fan Site award. My concern here
> is not just my children. Originally, I was not going to say anything
> about this. I imagined my daughter coming up and asking "Dad, do
> real people actually "Felch" each other? Seems gross to me!" That
> thought did /not/ propmt my past e-mails or these posts. What
> prompted me into action was this thought --
>
>   "Jo Rowling Condones Hardcore Porn?"
>
> splashed across the front page of the Guardian or the Sun or the
> Times.

{chuckle} I was watching the local morning news a couple weeks back
and they were joking about Ron Weasley's quidditch being cut from the
fifth movie but Harry Potter's 'first kiss' was left in... and no, it
wasn't with Ron Weasley.  LOL!  Rowling's already been 'condemned' as
some sort of advocate for evil and satanic worshop via witchcraft...
why not add sexual deviant. {g}

Hm, I'm sorry that this may seem blunt but I think parents should
prioritize their kids over concern for an author's welfare.  I'm
certain JKR has a stable of lawyers at her disposable and they do look
over the level of liability for links.  Plus, to remove that link
would invalidate the good of the fan site.

Dina



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 01:29:10 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:29:10 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400609101755x1f937282q9912030e02c74935@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee2e56+5k51@eGroups.com>

Argus wrote:
> 
> > Yes but that presumes that Felching (and many of the other 
hardcore
> > terms glossed) is in the average 11 year olds knowledge base. I
> > personally, don't believe it is. Sex? Absolutely! But obscure, 
not
> > oft mentioned sexual kinks?
> 

Dina:
> Clearwater, home of Scientology and early sex education of various
> kinks. {g}  By eleven, we were required to take sex education 
courses as part of the public school system... and learn how to 
place a condom on a cucumber. 


Tonks:
Well I see that there is nothing boring over here at OT. I don't 
even know what that term (felching) means myself. Guess I should go 
check out that website.

They show 11 year old kids how to use a condom in sex ed? 

Tonks
Who is speechless. My how times have changed! They didn't even say 
the "PG" word when I was in "high school"! Back in the dark ages, I 
know.









From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 01:40:33 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:40:33 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee2e56+5k51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee2eqh+e3p4@eGroups.com>

OK. I went to the site. Gross. More than I want to know for sure. And 
not for an 11 year old to read. I don't think she will learn about that 
from her classmates. Maybe the warning print should be bigger. And yes, 
teach your child that there are things that she doesn't want to read on 
the internet.

To each there own...  

Back to my cave.

Tonks







From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 11 01:54:45 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (Argus Pyrites)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:54:45 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400609101755x1f937282q9912030e02c74935@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee2fl5+hvan@eGroups.com>

Dina Lerret wrote:

> Clearwater, home of Scientology and early sex education of various
> kinks. {g}  By eleven, we were required to take sex education 
courses > as part of the public school system... and learn how to 
place a condom > on a cucumber. ;-)  

Argus Pyrites responds:
Do you really equate learning to apply a condom (even a puritanical 
demonstration that inadvertantly teaches of the secondary uses of 
some fruits and vegtables) with felching, beastiality, cock-and-ball-
 torture, incest, necrophelia, BDSM, etc.? I don't think most of 
these are in an average 11 year olds worldview, nor do I feel it is 
an approprite age to introduce these sorts of topics. I have talked 
to both my daughters about sex, and rape, even touching on incest 
briefly, actually slowly starting into these discussions when they 
were both about 5. But, no, I hope not to be explaining felching for 
at least four years more at minimum.
 
Dina wrote:
<snip> Plus, to remove that link> would invalidate the good of the 
fan site.

Argus adds:
Who said Remove the link? My idea is that this Fandom Glossary get 
moved into the area where this Adult Content is kept, which has 
adequate safeguards on it, rather than on their home page...
Immeritus is a great site with many loyal fans. I hold nothing 
against them, and they were very reasonable when I wrote them. We 
parted agreeing to disagree basically. Then I thought I'd double 
check with the HP4GU group...








From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 04:04:58 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:04:58 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee2fl5+hvan@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400609101755x1f937282q9912030e02c74935@mail.gmail.com>
	 <ee2fl5+hvan@eGroups.com>
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Argus Pyrites:
> Do you really equate learning to apply a condom (even a puritanical
> demonstration that inadvertantly teaches of the secondary uses of
> some fruits and vegtables) with felching, beastiality, cock-and-ball-
>  torture, incest, necrophelia, BDSM, etc.? I don't think most of
> these are in an average 11 year olds worldview, nor do I feel it is
> an approprite age to introduce these sorts of topics. I have talked
> to both my daughters about sex, and rape, even touching on incest
> briefly, actually slowly starting into these discussions when they
> were both about 5. But, no, I hope not to be explaining felching for
> at least four years more at minimum.

Ali:
It has been a while since I've been 11 and times have changed
somewhat, but as far as I can recall, while things like felching may
not have been part of the 11-yr-old vocab, that age is not too far
from teenage-hood, whose general vocab does tend to include less
savory terms like felching, whose meaning I really would rather have
never learned.  Sadly, while it is something a parent would rather
never think of, I would not worry about your child learning the terms
so much as them feeling comfortable talking to you about it.  There
are much less savory things in the world, but really, if your kids
feel that they can come to you about such things as explaining
felching or why people do it, I would say you've done insanely well.
Of all my friends (when I was around that age), I think I can count on
one hand the amount of whom would feel anything near comfortable about
approaching their parents and asking about anything vaguely sexual.

I'm with Steve on the particular point that your kid is going to learn
about the less-than-tasteful aspects of life when she's ready (or even
when she's not), but it's up to you to make sure that she knows where
you stand on those matters.  If you've done that, then it's up to her
to decide where to go from there.  My parents took that approach with
me, and I think I turned out to be a, more or less, functional human
being, no more scarred for knowing about felching, snowballing or
other things that I would rather have never known.


Argus:
> Who said Remove the link? My idea is that this Fandom Glossary get
> moved into the area where this Adult Content is kept, which has
> adequate safeguards on it, rather than on their home page...
> Immeritus is a great site with many loyal fans. I hold nothing
> against them, and they were very reasonable when I wrote them. We
> parted agreeing to disagree basically. Then I thought I'd double
> check with the HP4GU group...

Ali:
In the age of the Internet, I've gotten pop-up ads that have
traumatized me more than than seeing the mere word "felch" written on
a webpage.  I do agree that the fandom glossary should be separated
into an "adult area," but really, if the worse thing your child learns
on the Internet were the words felch or snowballing, I wouldn't waste
psychiatric fees on the matter.

Anyway, those are my two cents, which are probably not worth two
cents.  To sum it up, I stand with Steve.  If you've done your job as
a parent and your children know what to do in certain situations as
well as your opinions on such matters, it's all you can do and
anything else is up to them.

~Ali



From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Sep 11 04:09:53 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:09:53 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com>
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Message-ID: <4504E191.4070409@internode.on.net>


> That is the way a free society works. PARENTS actually 
> (not by assumption, but by direct action) instill values
> in their children then trust that their children will 
> make the right decisions. 

This is what I notice about the US as an outsider.

An American puts their hands over their heart and proudly
tells you that they are a freedom loving people.

Then you find that they don't want you to do this, and that
and the other thing, and no.. that's not right and you
shouldn't be doing this here and nope... can't do that and
on and on and on and on and on.

I'm not talking about crimes either.

Janet Jacksons nipple comes to mind.

It was just a "TIT" we've all got 'em.

Gosh, I remember watching british comedy on TV in the 70s,
tits were everywhere.

A tit isn't going to ruin a kids mind.

Wolfie!



From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 05:02:02 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:02:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <4504E191.4070409@internode.on.net>
References: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com> <4504E191.4070409@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609102202x180dc1f6oc6f6e428e8e1c19b@mail.gmail.com>

Wolfie! :
> This is what I notice about the US as an outsider.
>
> An American puts their hands over their heart and proudly
> tells you that they are a freedom loving people.
>
> Then you find that they don't want you to do this, and that
> and the other thing, and no.. that's not right and you
> shouldn't be doing this here and nope... can't do that and
> on and on and on and on and on.

Ali:
I spent much of my childhood in the US Bible Belt, supposed land of
the uber-conservatives.  Let me tell you that while most of these
people found the Janet-nipple incident in poor taste, most of them
would also not presume to tell you what to think about it.  America is
a large country, and it is unfair to judge it by looking at the words
and actions of the far-too-loud far-too-conservative [somewhat large]
minority.  That is, in my mind, akin to saying that, all Chinese
people are the same and have a shared Chinese culture, a "fact" that
is widely "known" and mostly untrue - it's tough to cast an accurate
net on a very large large and highly varied populace when you're
focusing on the words and actions of the few whose voices are raised
loud enough to be reported to the world at large.

Don't get me wrong; I get judged the same way considering that I now
live in a "blue state" (liberal) but came from a "red state"
(conservative), so I know it isn't just the view "from the outside
looking in" that makes us "red state" folks look bad, but I feel like
we, the US in general and the more conservative folks in particular,
get a bad reputation just because a very loud minority decide to make
itself known to the world at large.  I have friends who tell me, very
seriously, that they go abroad and have to first state that they
didn't vote for Bush, that they don't support Iraq actions, or some
similar thing, and all the while, I'm thinking that while other
countries are criticizing the US, they should also be looking at
themselves for whether they're being hypocrites - I'm not pinpointing
you Wolfie! but just making a generalization.  I mean, I don't know
too many British folks who want me to judge them by Tony Blair's
actions on the world stage (though the number of British friends I
have are decidedly few so take that comment for whatever it's worth to
you).

Anyway, that's just me responding to an email that, admittedly, hits a
little close to home for me, so my responses may be rendered biased
and somewhat invalid.

~Ali



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 06:03:34 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:03:34 -0400
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609102202x180dc1f6oc6f6e428e8e1c19b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com> <4504E191.4070409@internode.on.net>
	 <b6e131bf0609102202x180dc1f6oc6f6e428e8e1c19b@mail.gmail.com>
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On 9/11/06, P. Alexis Nguyen <alexisnguyen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I spent much of my childhood in the US Bible Belt, supposed land of

I was raised by a Japanese Buddhist... Heh, she saw this article on
Orlando Bloom since the same Buddhist division and she thought to give
the article to me.  Aww, nice pictures.  Then I started reading it and
oookay... Bloom composed a message that he hand delivered during a
trip to Japan (several weeks back) where he wrote (just one line as an
example): "With kosen-rufu as my goal, I will climb the mountainous
path of the Mystic Law until I gaze from the peak."  Pretty much the
rest was along that vein.

Anyway, grew up with that 'world peace' and 'inner enlightenment'
mom... and I'm not even certain she knows what porn means - lost in
translation somewhere.  I'm in my late twenties and I didn't get a
computer until I could afford to pay it in full and all internet
costs--parents believed it my taking responsibility and there was a
good library, so I couldn't use a 'pity me' for not having a computer
for school angle (still achieved honors, advanced placement and
multiple scholarships without much assistance from a computer).  I
bought my first computer Dec 1995 and graduated the summer of 1996.  I
already picked up much info from fellow classmates about how to squick
your friends with sexual kinks. {g}  The computer helped with visuals
versus the discussed 'theory'. {chuckle}


> Anyway, that's just me responding to an email that, admittedly, hits a
> little close to home for me, so my responses may be rendered biased
> and somewhat invalid.

Personally, I think a parent's job is to give/teach their children survival.

Dina



From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Sep 11 08:20:28 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:20:28 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609102202x180dc1f6oc6f6e428e8e1c19b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ee1lcs+ijop@eGroups.com> <4504E191.4070409@internode.on.net> <b6e131bf0609102202x180dc1f6oc6f6e428e8e1c19b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45051C4C.2010808@internode.on.net>

P. Alexis Nguyen wrote:
> Wolfie! :
>> This is what I notice about the US as an outsider.
>>
>> An American puts their hands over their heart and proudly
>> tells you that they are a freedom loving people.
>>
>> Then you find that they don't want you to do this, and that
>> and the other thing, and no.. that's not right and you
>> shouldn't be doing this here and nope... can't do that and
>> on and on and on and on and on.
> 
> Ali:
> I spent much of my childhood in the US Bible Belt, supposed land of
> the uber-conservatives.  Let me tell you that while most of these
> people found the Janet-nipple incident in poor taste, most of them
> would also not presume to tell you what to think about it.  America is
> a large country, and it is unfair to judge it by looking at the words
> and actions of the far-too-loud far-too-conservative [somewhat large]
> minority.  That is, in my mind, akin to saying that, all Chinese
> people are the same and have a shared Chinese culture, a "fact" that
> is widely "known" and mostly untrue - it's tough to cast an accurate
> net on a very large large and highly varied populace when you're
> focusing on the words and actions of the few whose voices are raised
> loud enough to be reported to the world at large.

Ali, you're right "I will take that on the chin"
I don't like to tar people with the one brush, and I just did.

And I am in the same position, it happens here too...
sometimes I am ashamed of my fellow aussies.
sometimes I get this feeling that a lot of people are just plain
stupid or simply don't take the time to think.

I have not met many Americans who like Bush... you can always tell
the ones who do because they get very defensive and tell you off
if you say "the wrong thing" [which is usually the right thing in
a normal cosmic plane].

I am hoping we can get rid of our incumbent too, how that rotten
little troll has stayed in power for so long is beyond me.
he's nothing but Mr Bush's "Mini me".

Wolfie!



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 08:16:00 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee27fk+72di@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060911081600.84470.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Argus Pyrites <o_secca at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
   
    > bboyminn:
<snip> 
> Sorry to be so blunt.

Blunt is not the right word. 

So, I'll put you down for: "No, I don't have a problem with it. I think 
responsibility for one's children rests with the parent, *not* 
ineffectual internet safeguards", then?
   
   
  Lynn:
   
  I agree, blunt is not the right word.  However, I'd probably have to make up a glossary to describe what I felt were the correct words.  Then again, I've always found it extremely helpful to be told how I'm supposed to parent my child without the person telling me having the benefit of knowing me, my child or our situation.  
   
  Did the sarcasm drip through okay?  I do admire your restraint in your reply.
   
  Please put me down in the category of shared responsibility.  While I do believe, as a parent, I have responsibility for what my child (who is 7 btw) views on the internet, I also believe that the owners of the webpage or anyone who links to that page has a responsiblity to give me, as a parent, a heads up as to possible inappropriate content in a place most would consider would be child-friendly.  Sites linked by the JKR website would fall under this category.  There is space on the links page to give warning that there is graphic adult content on that site or, that it is geared to the adult fan rather than a general audience.  
   
  I have frequently sat with my daughter to view websites which may be of interest to her and to me and Harry Potter websites are on our list.  Of course, it was much easier when she didn't read but now that she is more proficient I generally preview any sites I may wish to visit with her that isn't specifically geared to young children such as the children's BBC site.  This site would have caught me off-guard as there is nothing on the home page which would give me an indication that graphic adult content could easily by found on the site.  However there is a coloring contest which may give parents the thought that this is a "children's site."  Obviously it is not.  
   
  As I do believe I have a say in when my daughter begins to learn about sexual kink, this site is now on her banned list of websites so we cannot access it from her partition, even by accident.  I, however, may use the site to futher my sexual education as, at the age of 48, I was unaware of some of the words or acts about which I have now learned.  I have lived my life quite happily up to now not knowing such terms or acts existed and could have remained living happily had I never known.  I can always use it as a resource when my daughter does learn about such things on the street corner and comes to me to ask about them.  Thank goodness there is such a place for me to go so I'll know what she is talking about.  I am now more understanding of why my mother probably did not know what a hickey was when I asked her that when I was 15.  Age and culture does make a difference.
   
  
 


 		
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From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Sep 11 08:31:21 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:31:21 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
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Dina Lerret wrote:
> On 9/11/06, P. Alexis Nguyen <alexisnguyen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I spent much of my childhood in the US Bible Belt, supposed land of
> 
> I was raised by a Japanese Buddhist... Heh, she saw this article on
> Orlando Bloom since the same Buddhist division and she thought to give
> the article to me.  Aww, nice pictures.  Then I started reading it and
> oookay... Bloom composed a message that he hand delivered during a
> trip to Japan (several weeks back) where he wrote (just one line as an
> example): "With kosen-rufu as my goal, I will climb the mountainous
> path of the Mystic Law until I gaze from the peak."  Pretty much the
> rest was along that vein.

It's funny, I was in high school in the early 80s, and we had two
Apple II computers in the entire school.

I managed to operate one about once.

My first machine was an Amstrad CPC 6128, which was an 8-bit machine
I got this for my 21st birthday... while it was ok, it could only
play some games really.

Then I went to Amiga and then to PC etc etc etc.

First used the internet around the mid 90s and have been with it
ever since.

and you know, people are saying we're using cutting edge technology
but we've got a long long way to go with technology.

I am picturing this scenario.

A child in Sydney has a friend in New York and another in Tokyo.
They see each other via their sunglasses, the friends appear to be in 
the same room together.

There are no clunky lcd screens, or weird bulky parts.
the glasses look no different from a pair of Ray-Bans.

The entire computer and wireless connection are in the frames of
the glasses, no other components are required.

Nobody works in an office anymore, they can be home, or in the
park, and they are always in touch with others.

Wolfie!



From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Sep 11 08:35:15 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:35:15 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <20060911081600.84470.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060911081600.84470.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45051FC3.20002@internode.on.net>

There is this gay joke about a fellow who bought a "device" with a
bell inside it, and this fellow "lost" the device and now plays
jingle bells as he walks along the street.

Wolfie!



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Sep 12 07:17:29 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 03:17:29 -0400
Subject: Testing...haven't received a message for a long time!
Message-ID: <000701c6d63b$81d9ffc0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

And so here goes, I send test and hope I--uh--run into myself. <Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From wuff at internode.on.net  Tue Sep 12 09:40:44 2006
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:40:44 +1000
Subject: Harry Potter - any which way.
Message-ID: <4506809C.5050602@internode.on.net>

http://www.planetperplex.com/en/img.php?id=95

Here's the name "Harry Potter"
turn the image upside down and it still looks
the right way up!

Clever, yes?

Wolfie!




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Sep 12 20:17:01 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (lee_storm)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:17:01 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee0fad+9aug@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee74jt+74h1@eGroups.com>

Hi guys and gals,

Well, sorry I missed this thread, and hope this reply comes out okay 
as I'm doing it via Yahoo Web rather than from my usual mail client.  
Unfortunately, as I discovered, Yahoo has been bouncing my mail and I 
have no idea why!  It be frustrating and I sure hope it can be 
resolved as I hate on-line mail!  <GRRRRRRR>

I was most disappointed to hear about this inappropriate content so 
easily accessed from JKR's site!  I find it very offensive, 
personally, and am most happy I don't have kids who could 
inadvertently come upon it.  Some of those terms *I've* never even 
heard of...but I am an old-fashioned gal. :-)

I can't help thinking, again, that some password or subscription 
protection needs to be put on fanfics which are not G or GP to better 
protect those who find slash or other "adult" things offensive or too 
easily accessible.  Maybe it's asking a lot, but a bit of security is 
a good thing, IMHO.

Gonna sign for now and try to slog through the rest of these messages 
with the on-line interface...I hate this thing!  Pray, please pray 
that my mail dilemma is soon resolved!!!!

Cheerios,

Lee :-)






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Sep 12 20:37:54 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:37:54 -0400
Subject: Another Test
Message-ID: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Okay, since I'm testing, I'm going to take time to sincerely thank whoever
it was who brought up Nutella in one of our food discourses.  I have latched
onto it like glue since I found it at Costco and hope to get more when I go
there this week.  Bad people!  Bad, bad people! Increasing the size of my
waistline with this good stuff!! <Grin>

And, along the topic of food...I was reading a Herriot book which mentioned
Cottage Pie; can someone describe, give recipe, etc.?

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who hopes her mail is sorted out!)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 20:43:37 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:43:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <ee74jt+74h1@eGroups.com>
References: <ee74jt+74h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1158093820.14397911@dk11.dngr.org>


On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 4:36 pm, lee_storm wrote:
>
> I can't help thinking, again, that some password or subscription
> protection needs to be put on fanfics which are not G or GP to better
> protect those who find slash or other "adult" things offensive or too
> easily accessible.  Maybe it's asking a lot, but a bit of security is
> a good thing, IMHO.

Do you really think so? Why should a fanfic that's, say, PG13 or even 15 
have to be password protected - ie require registration - when any eight 
year old can visit any HP news site and see a clip from a tv show that's 
about to air in the UK which includes Dan Radcliffe cursing, making a 
gesture that was, when I was a teen at least, considered indecent, and 
ordering bourbon?

Isn't it enough to have  a warning at the top of the screen and no 
"indecent" content visible before one scrolls down? As a mom, I think 
it's important to surf the net with my kids - at this point I've tweaked 
our primary machine so it only loads images from certain domain names so 
things aren't visually, er, visible, and I think that's fine. But then 
again, I read Forever at 11 and Clan of the Cave Bear at 14, so I know 
they'll read things that may be over their heads eventually...

Heidi




From morianna at mindspring.com  Tue Sep 12 21:00:33 2006
From: morianna at mindspring.com (Morianna)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:00:33 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <45071FF1.4060801@mindspring.com>

Shepherd's Pie is a resulting cheap way to use left-over leg-of-lamb (or 
other large lamb roast meat).  You take the leftover veggies such as 
roasted onions and carrots and green peas and tiny cubes of the roast 
meat and brown it all up in a hot cast-iron skillet. Pour over that the 
leftover gravy and top it all off with the leftover mashed potatoes and 
bake until the mashed potatoes are crusty-brown.

What does this have to do with Cottage Pie, you may ask.  Well, cottage 
pie is exactly the same thing made with leftover roast-beast.

In these days, we "enjoy" the convenience of "almost instant" food, and 
we complain if anything takes much more than 30 minutes to an hour to 
prepare. With that in mind, most modern recipes have been adapted for 
this recipe which now calls for ground beef.  It ain't the same. 

Mori


>
> And, along the topic of food...I was reading a Herriot book which mentioned
> Cottage Pie; can someone describe, give recipe, etc.?
>
>   




From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 12 21:00:18 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <20060912210018.65835.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:
   
  And, along the topic of food...I was reading a Herriot book which mentioned
Cottage Pie; can someone describe, give recipe, etc.?
   
   
   
  Lynn:
   
  Cottage Pie is easy, I think of it as my Shepherd's Pie without the veg and some chopped onion added to the hamburger.  Basically, it is browned hamburger (or ground lamb) and chopped onion in some gravy topped with mashed potato and baked in the oven.  I've seen some in the stores with peas and carrots added and that's usually called "deluxe".  LOL   Of course, that's just my observation from my time living here.  There's probably a much better description. 
  
 
        
 		
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From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 21:18:23 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:18:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609121418u27a66d23uaf08442a4b133f1d@mail.gmail.com>

Lee :
> And, along the topic of food...I was reading a Herriot book which mentioned
> Cottage Pie; can someone describe, give recipe, etc.?

As I understand it, cottage pie is basically shepherd's pie but with
beef.  So, basically, minced beef and cut veggies under a crust of
mashed potatoes is cottage pie.  Sounds tasty, eh? :)

I'm sure there are fancified versions of this thing, and I'm sure
google will provide you with innumerable recipes, but that's how I
understand cottage pie.

~Ali



From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 21:27:55 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:27:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <000301c6d6ab$5325b690$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <1158096493.1DF1F711@fb7.dngr.org>


On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 5:17 pm, (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force) 
wrote:
> Okay, since I'm testing, I'm going to take time to sincerely thank 
> whoever
> it was who brought up Nutella in one of our food discourses.  I have 
> latched
> onto it like glue since I found it at Costco and hope to get more when 
> I go
> there this week.  Bad people!  Bad, bad people! Increasing the size of 
> my
> waistline with this good stuff!! <Grin>
>


If you want an example of purest evil, in a good way, try a crepe with 
nutella and fresh, sliced strawberries.





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 12 21:27:57 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:27:57 -0000
Subject: Wizengamot
Message-ID: <ee78ot+ts1o@eGroups.com>

I am confused. Nothing new here, I know.

Who are the members of the Wizengamot?  Is Fudge, and that awful woman 
Umbridge both memebers?

I thought that they wore plum color robes, but the picture that I see 
shows Fudge and a few others with black robes. Are they just some 
other observers or are they part of the Wizengamot???  Have we ever 
seen the members in the films?

Tonks_op







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 21:50:52 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:50:52 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <1158093820.14397911@dk11.dngr.org>
References: <ee74jt+74h1@eGroups.com> <1158093820.14397911@dk11.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609121450j7a927143w5c6c5bb2fe42dcfc@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/12/06, Heidi Tandy <heidi8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't it enough to have  a warning at the top of the screen and no
> "indecent" content visible before one scrolls down? As a mom, I think
> it's important to surf the net with my kids - at this point I've tweaked
> our primary machine so it only loads images from certain domain names so
> things aren't visually, er, visible, and I think that's fine. But then
> again, I read Forever at 11 and Clan of the Cave Bear at 14, so I know
> they'll read things that may be over their heads eventually...

There's one point I think has been skimmed over: The education system
is highly encouraging to downright forcing younger kids to learn more
much faster than many of us.  I was watching... NBC's Today, I think,
recently where more academic tests were required of kids.  Some of my
favorite parts of childhood (e.g. naptimes and playground periods) are
being phased out because these kids must meet a government 'standard'
at an early age and days are shortened for budgets.

To use the phrase, age really is only a number and I've learned not to
underestimate some kids.  However, Heidi does have a very good point.
As kids are evolving each generation, parents must evolve as well to
keep up.  To pick on Heidi (because it's still a good pasttime for me
;-) ), she's obviously acquired the computer knowledge to try to
'childproof' her home or had someone assist her.  My sister isn't good
on computers and I'm willing to bet $50 that my niece, her young
teenage daughter, can do circles around her on the computer.

This topic will keep popping up over time, and ultimately, by
censoring content because of underage viewers, sites end up censoring
content from legitimate adults, which may in turn lead to a much
larger implementation of censorship.  I think there was some topic
called POOP on FictionAlley or some other equally ridiculous acronym
where younger audience members thought older members shouldn't be in
the HP fandom... well, I think younger audience members shouldn't be
online without parental supervision.

Dina



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 12 22:00:18 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:00:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <1158096493.1DF1F711@fb7.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <20060912220018.19463.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Heidi Tandy <heidi8 at gmail.com> wrote:
   
  If you want an example of purest evil, in a good way, try a crepe with 
nutella and fresh, sliced strawberries.
   
   
  Lynn:
   
  I disagree.  Purest evil is a crepe with the dark chocolate spread you can get in the Netherlands (haven't noticed if it is here in the UK) topped with fresh raspberries.   Think, Godiva crepe.  That said the milk chocolate Cadbury spread has been given the thumbs up by my daughter.
   
  Decadence and a nice blending of cultures is to make a Fluffernutter sandwich but add some chocolate and caramel spread to it.  Extra points if you've popped it into the toaster oven for a few secs to really make it all gooey.


        
 		
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Sep 12 22:02:04 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:02:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <1158096493.1DF1F711@fb7.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c6d6b7$155b1dd0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Heidi recommended]:
| If you want an example of purest evil, in a good way, try a 
| crepe with 
| nutella and fresh, sliced strawberries.

[Lee]:
Bad Heidi!  That's another 5 pounds, huh? <Evil Grin>

I bet Raspberries would be wonderfully evil, too.  Now, I just have to find
my very nice, big pan and start making them...Yum!

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Whose mail is now resolved!) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 22:20:17 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:20:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Another Test
In-Reply-To: <20060912220018.19463.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1158096493.1DF1F711@fb7.dngr.org>
	 <20060912220018.19463.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609121520u4e400b51o14a4adb2ae8092fa@mail.gmail.com>

>  Lynn:
>
>  I disagree.  Purest evil is a crepe with the dark chocolate spread you can get in the Netherlands (haven't noticed if it is here in the UK) topped with fresh raspberries.   Think, Godiva crepe.  That said the milk chocolate Cadbury spread has been given the thumbs up by my daughter.
>
>  Decadence and a nice blending of cultures is to make a Fluffernutter sandwich but add some chocolate and caramel spread to it.  Extra points if you've popped it into the toaster oven for a few secs to really make it all gooey.
>

Now I disagree.  Pure evil is really fluffy dark chocolate mousse
topped with lots of ripe strawberries all sitting atop a pudding
(creme brulee base) very lightly flavoured with cinnamon.  Trust me:
*this* is the food of the gods. :)

~Ali



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 13 05:49:46 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:49:46 -0000
Subject: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
Message-ID: <ee865q+45kq@eGroups.com>

I was searching for a picture of the Wizengamot and came across 
pictures from the new film.. or the filming. And our beloved McGonagall 
is in a wheelchair as they are getting her ready for the shoot.

I know that she is an older woman, but I hope that she is not going the 
way of Richard Harris. Does anyone know the story here???

Tonks_op






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Sep 13 06:16:38 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:16:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <ee865q+45kq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6d6fc$2c410880$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Couldn't it be something simple like her recovery at the end of the story?
Remember, in the book, at least, she's hit by all those stunning spells and
returns with a walking cane.

Just a thought, hoping that Dame Smith isn't in real trouble!

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Sep 13 08:43:20 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:43:20 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <000001c6d6fc$2c410880$66a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <ee865q+45kq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45085148.29579.22964B7@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 13 Sep 2006 at 2:16, (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the  wrote:

> Couldn't it be something simple like her recovery at the end of the story?
> Remember, in the book, at least, she's hit by all those stunning spells and
> returns with a walking cane.
> 
> Just a thought, hoping that Dame Smith isn't in real trouble!

Dame Margaret or Dame Maggie - never Dame Smith (uttely pointless and pedantic but they 
made me learn this stuff at school!).

The wheelchair is a prop from the film, and, yes, it's related to her recovery from tha attack - 
this came up on another forum a few days ago.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 13 14:16:02 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:16:02 -0000
Subject: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <45085148.29579.22964B7@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <ee93r2+c2dt@eGroups.com>

 Shaun wrote:
> Dame Margaret or Dame Maggie - never Dame Smith (uttely pointless 
and pedantic but they 
> made me learn this stuff at school!).

Tonks:
OK, educate me in British manners, please. Explain it all. Thanks.

Shaun:
> The wheelchair is a prop from the film, and, yes, it's related to 
her recovery from tha attack -  this came up on another forum a few 
days ago.
> 

Tonks:
So they have made changes from the book yet again. But they should 
*think* about this, because the chair looks like a modern one. And 
the WW is depicted as being in the 18th or 19th century. Even in the 
1940's U.S. film "It's a Wonderful Life", the bad guy, Mr. Potter, 
is in a wheel chair and it looks much older than what they have for 
Smith. So if they are going to put her in a chair, it should be one 
that fits the era that the WW is in.

Tonks_op






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 15:18:04 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:18:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <ee93r2+c2dt@eGroups.com>
References: <45085148.29579.22964B7@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
	 <ee93r2+c2dt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609130818h47b6d2do6840942468838589@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/13/06, Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, educate me in British manners, please. Explain it all. Thanks.

...There ain't nothing like a dame, nothing in the world.  There ain't
nothing you can name, that is anything like a dame. ;-)  I haven't
seen the musical, South Pacific, for a long while.


> is in a wheel chair and it looks much older than what they have for
> Smith. So if they are going to put her in a chair, it should be one
> that fits the era that the WW is in.

Ironically, last night, I was watching Special at
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7956303775618311938  (very
rare to find some short films) where Michael Rosenbaum pretends to be
disabled to scam a signed football.  The opening credit sequence
focused on a wheelchair and there was reference to it being the
'wrong' type of wheelchair.

I'm thinking of vidding to it and using the Chariots of Fire 'theme'. ;-)

Dina



From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 13 17:33:17 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:33:17 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
Message-ID: <ee9fct+m0g3@eGroups.com>

Our family is having a Magical Murder Mystery for our two day December
get together this year. Christmas at Hogwarts will include Dumbledore
(who may have been found alive or is being impersonated) McGonagall,
Pomfrey, Sybill (who needs a good prophesy), Hagrid (some deadly new
pet?), a new DADA, and 2 students (recovering from something). Someone
is dead, someone here did it - and facts point to everyone. 

Unlike a lot of the HP sites I've looked through, this site and it's
sister site seem to be made up of very intelligent, very well read,
and amazingly knowlegeable people - Really, where else would I go if I
need a prophesy from Sybill that points to everyone at the table? Or
some really funny puns? 

I'll take any suggestion, pointer, idea - and if it comes out well -
I'll send everyone the plan I finally put together - and my thanks.

Quid Agis,
  Tesha

oh - 2 of the participants are family "Knight" - they're getting
"Knight Bus" tee shirts the next day!










From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 13 20:19:35 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:19:35 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <ee9fct+m0g3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee9p4n+mghi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
- Really, where else would I go if I
> need a prophesy from Sybill that points to everyone at the table? Or
> some really funny puns? 
> 

Tonks:
What is the underlying basis for the prophesy? Who do you want to be 
killed by who?

Tonks_o







From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 13 20:58:39 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:58:39 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <ee9p4n+mghi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ee9rdv+c5h1@eGroups.com>


> Tonks:
> What is the underlying basis for the prophesy? Who do you want to be 
> killed by who?


I have an empty book in front of me -

In this book I have my characters, I have a setting, I have a general
plan to finish in 2 days. This is the fun of writing a mystery - you
have very few boundries...

Perhaps Snape has been found dead - or maybe its just a student that
overheard something. Oh, wouldn't you love to kill off someone?

Tesha






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Sep 14 01:31:25 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:31:25 +1000
Subject: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <20060914004908.D7C642CF4DC@mail01.chariot.net.au>
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Tonks writes: 

> Tonks:
> OK, educate me in British manners, please. Explain it all. Thanks. 

Shaun: 

Explain it all? That would take a while! 

In a sense, it doesn't really matter, but I was taught to take it seriously, 
partly because it was seen as respectful - these people had earned those 
honours, and we could do them the courtesy of getting it right where 
possible. 

So... in this case. 

Dame Margaret Natalie Smith DBE. 

Dame Maggie is a Dame Commander of the British Empire - a DBE. The Most 
Excellent Order of the British Empire is the largest and most modern of 
Britain's Orders of Chivalry (well, at least of the purely British ones - 
some Commonwealth countries have their own orders which fit into the British 
system). This Order was established in 1917 because King George V wanted a 
way of recognising people who could not easily be honoured in the existing 
system - other Orders either had rather small numbers of people who are 
allowed to hold an order at any one time, and a *lot* of people had done 
things worthy of honour in the First World War, or were only supposed to be 
used for certain people. 

The Order of the British Empire is the largest Order overall, but the 
numbers of Knights (or Dames) Grand Cross and Knight (or Dames) Commander is 
still quite limited. So holding a DBE is a high honour. 

*But* there are still quite a number of honours that are higher, and each 
level has its particular rules as to how holders are addressed. 

Knights or Dames - which are the male and female equivalents of the same 
honour - are by convention addressed as Sir or Dame Firstname Lastname. 

They may be less formally, but correctly addressed as Sir or Dame Firstname. 

They are never properly addressed as Sir or Dame Lastname. 

(For completeness, I should say that these forms of addressed do not apply 
to non-British subjects - Bill Gates, for example, holds an honourary KBE, 
but cannot properly be addressed as Sir William - this practice is largely 
an acknowledgement of the fact that some countries, notably the United 
States, do not allow its citizens to hold titles). 

Even though a Knight is never addressed as Sir Lastname, his wife can be 
addressed as Lady Lastname, just to make things confusing (husbands of Dames 
are entitled to no special form of address). 

Above the Knights and Dames of the various orders, are the Peers - the 
Lords. 

Historically, peerages were hereditary titles that were passed onto a Peers 
male heir (and in some special cases, could be passed onto female heirs) 
while Knighthoods were not passed on, but that isn't absolutely true - 
hereditary knighthoods called baronetcies exist, although they are given out 
*very* rarely today - only one in the last forty years (and the current 
holder of that baronetcy, The Hon. Sir Mark Thatcher, Bt, is rather 
embarassing) and virtually all new peerages over the last 1940s have been 
Life Peerages which are not passed on. 

Peers are sometimes properly addressed as Lord or Lady Lastname, but 
generally only if their Lastname happens to be the same as their title - for 
example Margaret Thatcher is correctly titled as Baroness Thatcher and 
addressed as Lady Thatcher, because her title is Baroness Thatcher of 
Kesteven - whereas Alec Douglas-Home is not Baron Douglas-Home, or Lord 
Douglas-Home, but rather is Baron Home or Lord Home, as his title is Baron 
Home of the Hirsel.

> Tonks:
> So they have made changes from the book yet again. But they should
> *think* about this, because the chair looks like a modern one. And
> the WW is depicted as being in the 18th or 19th century. Even in the
> 1940's U.S. film "It's a Wonderful Life", the bad guy, Mr. Potter,
> is in a wheel chair and it looks much older than what they have for
> Smith. So if they are going to put her in a chair, it should be one
> that fits the era that the WW is in.

Shaun: 

Oh, I agree. 

One of the niggling things that annoys me about the film of Prisoner of 
Azkaban is that the screen Snape uses when showing slides is very obviously 
a pretty modern projector screen. It would have been so easy to use 
something different, so it didn't look like Hogwarts brought Muggle school 
equipment. 

 

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 14 04:59:40 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <ee9rdv+c5h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060914045940.58230.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com>

 Tonks asked:
> What is the underlying basis for the prophesy? Who do you want to be 
> killed by who?


  Tesha replied:
  I have an empty book in front of me -

... you have very few boundries...

Perhaps Snape has been found dead - or maybe its just a student that
overheard something. Oh, wouldn't you love to kill off someone?


Kemper now:
  Yes.  I would love to kill off Gwarp.  I think McG should be the one to do it, and she tricks Sybil into doing the actual killing.  You can use Sybil's nigh-blindness somehow.
   
  Kemper, interested in creating a Gwarp Must Die fan club
 
         


 		
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From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 14 05:21:35 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:21:35 -0000
Subject: Wizengamot
In-Reply-To: <ee78ot+ts1o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeaosv+f9sh@eGroups.com>

Tonks wrote:
>
> I am confused. Nothing new here, I know.
> 
> Who are the members of the Wizengamot?  Is Fudge, and that awful 
woman 
> Umbridge both memebers?
> 
> I thought that they wore plum color robes, but the picture that I see 
> shows Fudge and a few others with black robes. Are they just some 
> other observers or are they part of the Wizengamot???  Have we ever 
> seen the members in the films?
> 
> Tonks_op
>

Secca answers: (formerly known as Argus Pyrites)

(First off, sorry about the name change, but as I am now on staff at 
Potter's Keys as "Secca", thought I'd reflect that here as well.)

Yes, the Wizengamot's robes are described as "Plum-colored robes with 
an elaborately worked silve W on the left hand side of the chest."
These robes seem to be worn only by members when they are actually 
sitting in court.

In Ootp, Harry is tried by the 'full court' which numbers about 50 
members... we are given the names of only a few of those present

"Interrogators:
Cornelius Oswald Fudge, Minister of Magic, 
Amelia Susan Bones, Head of the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, 
Dolores Jane Umbridge, Senior Undersecretary to the Minister 
and Percy Ignatius Weasley as Court Scribe"

Percy is most likely not a member of the Wizengamot.

The only only other member that we knew for certain, was Dumbledore. 
(As far as I remember)

As far as the films... well the pensieve memory from GoF might be 
occuring in the court before the Wizengamot (?) but it was referred to 
as the books as just the 'Ministry of Magic' when Karkaroff gave his 
testimony; And as the 'Council of Magical Law' during the scenes with 
Ludo & Barty Jr.

All the above info is from the books... 

Of course, they are filming OotP right now, so there could be some 
Wizengamot pics floating around (?)

Hope I unconfused you a little...

Secca









From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 14 05:40:21 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 05:40:21 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <ee9rdv+c5h1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeaq05+iqfa@eGroups.com>

Tesha wrote:

> I have an empty book in front of me -
> 
> In this book I have my characters, I have a setting, I have a general
> plan to finish in 2 days. This is the fun of writing a mystery - you
> have very few boundries...
> 
> Perhaps Snape has been found dead - or maybe its just a student that
> overheard something. Oh, wouldn't you love to kill off someone?


Secca responds (formerly known as Argus Pyrites):

This sounds like fun! What a great way to kill some time (Ouch... sorry)

But why kill Snape... he is great fun for someone to play. Why not kill 
off someone that is more of a minor character, say Flitwick.

Off-the-cuff-quickie prophecy...

"Just past the turn of the winter solstice -
at the /insert name of your setting here/ -
a terrible crime will be committed -
A short charmer will be found -
strangled by a cursed Ravenclaw scarf -
The murderer can be found by the wand."

Then give everybody playing wands... 
except for the murderer, who gets two wands... 
their own, and Flitwicks...

Or something like that? =)

Secca








From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Thu Sep 14 12:21:30 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:21:30 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eeaq05+iqfa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eebhga+lt36@eGroups.com>

-Kemper now:
-Yes. I would love to kill off Gwarp. I think McG should be the one 
to do it,
-and she tricks Sybil into doing the actual killing. You can use --
Sybil's nigh-blindness somehow.

Somene tricks Sybil? - nice twist!
   Gwarp? oh, he's hateful - but I wanted to have someone find "the 
body strewn upon the grand staircase" and I have to make the body!!!
Someone smaller, I think...  and Secca might have a good solution:

> Secca responds 
> Off-the-cuff-quickie prophecy...
> 
> "Just past the turn of the winter solstice -
> at the /insert name of your setting here/ -
> a terrible crime will be committed -
> A short charmer will be found -
> strangled by a cursed Ravenclaw scarf -
> The murderer can be found by the wand."
> 
> Then give everybody playing wands... 
> except for the murderer, who gets two wands... 
> their own, and Flitwicks... 
> Secca
>
   very clever phrasing, that. It'd bring smiles. 

I knew I came to the right place for help!
  Tesha







From phil at pcsgames.net  Thu Sep 14 13:42:23 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:42:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I could use some help from the experts
References: <ee9fct+m0g3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02b701c6d803$bfa10460$6600a8c0@phil>

Jan said:
Our family is having a Magical Murder Mystery for our two day December
get together this year. Christmas at Hogwarts will include Dumbledore
(who may have been found alive or is being impersonated) McGonagall,
Pomfrey, Sybill (who needs a good prophesy), Hagrid (some deadly new
pet?), a new DADA, and 2 students (recovering from something). Someone
is dead, someone here did it - and facts point to everyone. 

Unlike a lot of the HP sites I've looked through, this site and it's
sister site seem to be made up of very intelligent, very well read,
and amazingly knowlegeable people - Really, where else would I go if I
need a prophesy from Sybill that points to everyone at the table? Or
some really funny puns? 

I'll take any suggestion, pointer, idea - and if it comes out well -
I'll send everyone the plan I finally put together - and my thanks.

Quid Agis,
  Tesha

Now Phil:
Firenze, the handsome centaur is found dying in his classroom.
He is taken to the hospital wing where Pomfrey gives him some medicine. Firenze chokes and dies.   
Sybill  is the main suspect until it is discovered that he was killed by one of Hagrid's  crossbow arrows.
Then it was found out that the arrow had poison on its head. The two students are suspect since they were part of the archery team that practiced in the classroom.
They were recovering in the hospital wing from the poison that they were using on the arrow tips.
At the Christmas dinner, McGonagall brings the portrait of  Dumbledore down and places it on the wall so he can speak to the group.
He says that although there were no portraits in Firenze's classroom, other portraits reporter that everyone at the table was seen going into the classroom at sometime during the day.
McGonagall  says she went into the classroom to discuss things with Firenze  since he could not go up the spiral staircase to her office.
Sybill then goes into a trance and says:
"THE ONE WITH THE POWER THAT VANQUISHED THE WHITE CENTAUR IS HERE. ... Killed          BY THOSE WHO HAVE THRICE DEFIED HIM, 
KILLED AS THE SEVENTH MONTH
DIES. 
AND THE WHITE CENTAUR  WILL MARK THEM AS HIS EQUAL, 
BUT THEY WILL HAVE POWER THE WHITE CENTAUR KNOWS NOT. 
AND THE WHITE CENTAUR DIED AT THE HAND
OF THE OTHER FOR HE COULD NOT LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES."


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From jamiesonwolf at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 14:24:22 2006
From: jamiesonwolf at gmail.com (Jamieson Villeneuve)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:24:22 -0400
Subject: The Muse--A Workshop
Message-ID: <5cb2ac630609140724p31cda8cx24894e95627f0c53@mail.gmail.com>

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-- 
THE MUSE ONLINE WRITERS CONFERENCE
OCTOBER 9TH ? 13TH, 2006
FREE PRE-REGISTRATION - FREE WORKSHOPS
FREE DOOR PRIZES - FREE EBOOK
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From random832 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 11:09:40 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:09:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <20060914013125.D37122CF555@mail01.chariot.net.au>
References: <20060914004908.D7C642CF4DC@mail01.chariot.net.au>
	 <20060914013125.D37122CF555@mail01.chariot.net.au>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50609140409y2b492f39t9ab4b818135ebded@mail.gmail.com>

Shaun:
> They may be less formally, but correctly addressed as Sir or Dame Firstname.
>
> They are never properly addressed as Sir or Dame Lastname.

Which gets back to the question that you didn't answer (though, to be
fair, it may not have technically been asked) - why is this? Who
decided this, when, and for what reason?

-- 
Random832





From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Tue Sep 12 22:45:54 2006
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:45:54 -0000
Subject: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609121520u4e400b51o14a4adb2ae8092fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee7db2+n1gm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" 
<alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
>
> >  Lynn:
> >
> >  I disagree.  Purest evil is a crepe with the dark chocolate 
spread you can get in the Netherlands (haven't noticed if it is here 
in the UK) topped with fresh raspberries.   Think, Godiva crepe.  
That said the milk chocolate Cadbury spread has been given the thumbs 
up by my daughter.
> >
> >  Decadence and a nice blending of cultures is to make a 
Fluffernutter sandwich but add some chocolate and caramel spread to 
it.  Extra points if you've popped it into the toaster oven for a few 
secs to really make it all gooey.
> >
> 
> Now I disagree.  Pure evil is really fluffy dark chocolate mousse
> topped with lots of ripe strawberries all sitting atop a pudding
> (creme brulee base) very lightly flavoured with cinnamon.  Trust me:
> *this* is the food of the gods. :)
> 
> ~Ali
>

OH no no.... Almond lady fingers soaked with coffee, topped with 
custard, berries and drizzled with Stonewall Kitchen's Mocha Espresso 
sauce: http://tinyurl.co.uk/7ncb

*swoons*










From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Thu Sep 14 18:10:25 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:10:25 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <ee7db2+n1gm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eec5uh+kban@eGroups.com>

Ali:
> > Pure evil is really fluffy dark chocolate mousse topped 
> > with lots of ripe strawberries all sitting atop a pudding
> > (creme brulee base) very lightly flavoured with cinnamon.  
> > Trust me: *this* is the food of the gods. :)

Belinda:
> OH no no.... Almond lady fingers soaked with coffee, topped 
> with custard, berries and drizzled with Stonewall Kitchen's 
> Mocha Espresso sauce: http://tinyurl.co.uk/7ncb
> 
> *swoons*


Kelley:
Oy, these all sound so incredible, not to mention the descriptions
of cottage pie and shepherd's pie, too.

Got me thinking, I'm one of those people who loves to get recipes, 
read them, collect them, etc.  (Let's leave out the matter of 
actual cooking -- my skills are not so mad in that arena. <G>)

Anyway, had the thought of putting up a Recipes folder here on OTC
for folks to add, really, anything they like.  Stuff you love,
'comfort dishes,' all-time favorites, best recipe for _________ 
you've ever tried, anything you make that's 'always a big hit,' 
etc., etc.  Would there be any interest in this?

--Kelley










From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Thu Sep 14 18:19:35 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:19:35 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <eec5uh+kban@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eec6fn+g8k6@eGroups.com>


> Anyway, had the thought of putting up a Recipes folder here on OTC
> for folks to add, really, anything they like.  Stuff you love,
> 'comfort dishes,' all-time favorites, best recipe for _________ 
> you've ever tried, anything you make that's 'always a big hit,' 
> etc., etc.  Would there be any interest in this?
> 
> --Kelley
>

  I'd vote for that! I'm STILL trying to find a "Flaming Christmas
Pudding" recipe for our Christmas Murder and Mayhem. I've got the
sprig of Holly (grin)
Tesha







From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 18:36:17 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:36:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <eec6fn+g8k6@eGroups.com>
References: <eec5uh+kban@eGroups.com> <eec6fn+g8k6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609141136t124c6158v8584f20db6ea59a2@mail.gmail.com>

>  I'd vote for that! I'm STILL trying to find a "Flaming Christmas
> Pudding" recipe for our Christmas Murder and Mayhem. I've got the
> sprig of Holly (grin)
> Tesha


I'd also go for a recipe collection, especially if it could be divided
into recipes people found and recipes they've created.  I love reading
recipes people have created or obscure ones that have been found in
the family attic, especially if they come with stories of how the
recipes came about; it's always such fun.

Tesha, I'll bet I can craft a flaming pudding for you.  How early do
you need it by?

~Ali



From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Thu Sep 14 18:53:37 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:53:37 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609141136t124c6158v8584f20db6ea59a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eec8fh+46jh@eGroups.com>


> 
> Tesha, I'll bet I can craft a flaming pudding for you.  How early do
> you need it by?
> 
> ~Ali
>
The weekend before Christmas---- read my note "I could use some help
from the experts." Dinner will be a Prime Rib with Merlot Gravy and
Yorkshire Puddings - a soup, a salad, and cheese and fruit course -
but to make it really special, I'd love to really put it over the top. 

Nothing like a little ignition to get everyon's attention...

Could you help??  that would be wonderful, all the recipes I've found
have sounded awful - suet? I can't serve anyone suet
Tesha






From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Thu Sep 14 20:56:30 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:56:30 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50609140409y2b492f39t9ab4b818135ebded@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060914013125.D37122CF555@mail01.chariot.net.au>
Message-ID: <450A4E9E.6832.285FF28@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 14 Sep 2006 at 7:09, Jordan Abel wrote:

> Shaun:
> > They may be less formally, but correctly addressed as Sir or Dame Firstname.
> >
> > They are never properly addressed as Sir or Dame Lastname.
> 
> Which gets back to the question that you didn't answer (though, to be
> fair, it may not have technically been asked) - why is this? Who
> decided this, when, and for what reason?

It evolved in the medieval period and was basically, because of the numbers of people at 
different ranks and the need to be sure who you were talking about. The higher your rank, the 
simpler your name could be.

Kings (and Princes) are rare, so they could simply be known by their first name. There's a lot 
of Edwards around for example - but the only person in the British Peerage who is known 
officially as Edward and *just* Edward is HRH The Prince Earl, Earl of Wessex.

He can sign his name as 'Edward' and nothing else, and it is his legal signature - because if 
you just see 'Edward', everybody knows who he is. (He can also sign his name as Wessex, 
or Edward Wessex, or Edward Windsor, if he wants to - I'm talking about his highest 
prerogative here).

Peers are much more common, but still fairly rare. So they can be distnguished just by their 
surname (or title). And a peer may sign their name simply as their surname

Once you get down to Knights, you're dealing with quite a lot of people. And you actually start 
to get duplication of surnames. If they just used their surnames, you wouldn't be able to keep 
track of them all.

Dame Maggie Smith - I don't know of any other Dames of the surname Smith, but I have just 
done a quick google search for Knights with that surname and I find Sir Alex Smith, Sir 
Robert Smith, Sir James Smith, Sir Matthew Smith - lots of them. Basically to distinguish 
them, there's a need to use both names.

In conversation and informally, the firstname is enough, because in those situations, there's 
no real doubt as to who you are in communication with.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 22:20:28 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:20:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <eec8fh+46jh@eGroups.com>
References: <b6e131bf0609141136t124c6158v8584f20db6ea59a2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eec8fh+46jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609141520p695b938fm307d90513af642e6@mail.gmail.com>

> The weekend before Christmas---- read my note "I could use some help
> from the experts." Dinner will be a Prime Rib with Merlot Gravy and
> Yorkshire Puddings - a soup, a salad, and cheese and fruit course -
> but to make it really special, I'd love to really put it over the top.
>
> Nothing like a little ignition to get everyon's attention...
>
> Could you help??  that would be wonderful, all the recipes I've found
> have sounded awful - suet? I can't serve anyone suet
> Tesha

For those who don't know (or have yet googled it), suet is beef or
mutton fat.  I don't know if I call it awful, but it certain wouldn't
be called dessert, and while I see the logic in it, I'm going to try a
few variations sans-suet.

Anyway, if suet is your only problem, I would recommend a variation of
a fruitcake and flame it with brandy.  Regardless, though, I'm going
to try my hand at some variations this weekend and will let you all
know the results.  The best Christmas puddings I've had all tend to be
a moist (thanks to a combo of alcohol and fruit juice), fruit-filled
cake, though not fruitcake since I detest those oddly coloured fruit
pieces.

Thanks to wikipedia, now you can all ready about the pudding (or cake
for the Americans) I'm going to try my hands at this weekend.  (Thanks
for the plans, Tesha!!! ^_^)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_pudding

~Ali, who wonders if Hogwarts serves Christmas pudding and whether the
kids enjoy them



From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 14 22:22:39 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <eec8fh+46jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060914222239.28046.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jan <Jan at TheWebFixers.com> wrote:
   
  Could you help?? that would be wonderful, all the recipes I've found
have sounded awful - suet? I can't serve anyone suet
   
   
  Lynn:
   
  Here's a link you may find interesting - http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/spotlight/christmas_pudding.shtml
   
  It gives you a recipe but also some background about the christmas pudding.
   
  This link http://pudding.denyer.net/  gives you another recipe but also gives you some UK/US conversions and substitutions - you can use butter instead of suet.  You may also try using vegetable shortening instead. I know it's not something you can find in England so it's probably not known/used in Australia either.  I've used vegetable shortening anytime I've found an English recipe which calls for lard and that's pretty much what suet is, isn't it?
   
  It's a pretty interesting site.  Here's something which I found there on the flaming pudding:  
   
  Message: Pyromaniac improvements;
dissolve sugar in the brandy before warming / igniting. This acts as added fuel and keeps the flame going for much longer - if you use a metal spoon to scoop the flaming liquid from the plate back on to the top of the pudding then it is perfectly possible to do the traditional circumnavigation of the dining table with the flaming pud before serving (all due caution encouraged and liabilities disclaimed, of course). 
   
  Also, mark me down as someone who'd like the recipe section.  Perhaps it could also include some standard conversions and substitutions between US/UK and a section for those recipes that Harry loves?  

        
 		
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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Sep 14 22:50:25 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:50:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609141520p695b938fm307d90513af642e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c6d850$2b2e0f60$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Ali wrote]:
| ~Ali, who wonders if Hogwarts serves Christmas pudding and whether the
| kids enjoy them

[Lee]:

Yes, indeedy...Sorcerer's Stone, Christmas Dinner:
"Flaming Christmas puddings followed the turkey. Percy nearly broke his
teeth on a silver sickle embedded in his slice."

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Sep 14 22:53:19 2006
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:53:19 -0000
Subject: question about selling books
Message-ID: <eecmgv+2ifg@eGroups.com>

Has anyone in this group (or can you direct me to someone) who has 
sold the books at a conference...or through a small bookstore?

Susan McGee
(if you are interested in a low volume group, I run one called Harry 
Potter for Grownups Over 40, email me at SusanGSMcGee at aol.com








From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Thu Sep 14 23:30:28 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:30:28 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <02b701c6d803$bfa10460$6600a8c0@phil>
Message-ID: <eecomk+s405@eGroups.com>

>  Phil, thank you this stuff is great - I need a smaller body tho' 
since I need to sew him - what do you think of Flitwick?

[___ is found dying in his classroom and is taken to the hospital 
wing where Pomfrey does her stuff. but he dies anyway.   
 It is discovered that he was killed by one of Hagrid's  crossbow 
arrows, the arrow had poison on its head. The two students are 
suspect since they were part of the archery team that practiced in 
the classroom. They were recovering in the hospital wing from the 
poison that they were using on the arrow tips.]

most excellent - this uses Hagrid, Pomfrey, and the students! I been 
having a heck of a time with them

[ no portraits in Firenze's classroom, other portraits reported that 
everyone at the table was seen going into the classroom at sometime 
during the day.]

Now I need reasons for each person to want ___ dead, and for them to 
have gone to ___'s offce. Real or fake

[McGonagall  says she went into the classroom to discuss things with 
Firenze  since he could not go up the spiral staircase to her office.]
 


Thank you for being so kind to help, this is really good
Tesha








From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 02:19:16 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:19:16 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
Message-ID: <265.104b3834.323b67a4@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/10/06 9:33:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tonks_op at yahoo.com writes:


> Tonks:
> Well I see that there is nothing boring over here at OT. I don't 
> even know what that term (felching) means myself. Guess I should go 
> check out that website.
> 
> 

Sandy:

I feel better now because I don't know what felching is either. It must be 
our age because I think you and I are about the same age. I don't want to check 
the website, but as soon as I can find time I'm going to look the word up. 
Something tells me, though, that I am going to wish I didn't.

Sandy


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From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 15 04:47:00 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:47:00 -0000
Subject: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <265.104b3834.323b67a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <eedb84+3en5@eGroups.com>

> Sandy wrote:
> 
> I feel better now because I don't know what felching is either. It 
must be 
> our age because I think you and I are about the same age. I don't 
want to check 
> the website, but as soon as I can find time I'm going to look the 
word up. 
> Something tells me, though, that I am going to wish I didn't.


Secca (formerly Argus Pyrites) adds:

Sandy, and any others coming in to this thread late, I just want to 
make sure that you understand that there is nothing wrong with the 
Immeritus site! It is a Harry Potter site that is focused on all 
things having to do with Sirius Black. The site is well done and 
deserving of the Fan Site Award Mrs. Rowling gave them. Among the 
many things offered at the site, they have an active FanFiction 
group there,which does offer 'Adult' rated stories, but 
anything 'Adult' in nature is carefully screened and inaccesible to 
kids, and those who don't wish to view it.

The Fandom Glossary I mentioned in my post was the *only* thing I 
was at issue with. It has a link on the homepage, which is protected 
by a written notice (a very obvious, hard to miss written notice). 
Only about 10% of the definitions in this glossary are what might be 
considered 'Hard' or offensive.

I was worried that this might be a problem for parents, but I don't 
want it to seem that I, or anyone else should not visit the site! 
Even a nine year old will be fine with all of their content (other 
than the Fandom glossary... )

Also, it seems most people felt I was overreacting anyway, which I 
was concerned might be the case. I brought it up here to get some 
other opinions, and HP4GU, never short on opinions, was happy to 
oblige!

I personally have decided that no further action seems necessary, so 
am officialy stepping off the soapbox, with a last 'Thank you' to 
everyone.

(BTW- the name change is so that my screename matches the one I use 
over at Potter's Keys, where I've just been put on staff)








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 15 06:16:35 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:16:35 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <ee9fct+m0g3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eedgg3+6kst@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
> Our family is having a Magical Murder Mystery for our two day 
December get together this year. Christmas at Hogwarts will include 
Dumbledore (who may have been found alive or is being impersonated) 
McGonagall, Pomfrey, Sybill (who needs a good prophesy), Hagrid 
(some deadly new pet?), a new DADA, and 2 students (recovering from 
something). Someone is dead, someone here did it - and facts point 
to everyone. 
> 

Tonks:
Hagrid has some new pet that attached Mrs. Norris.  The pet dies by 
poison.  It really is some rare, but naturally poisonous plant that 
the animal found it the forest, but Hagrid think someone did it.  He 
has a great deal of animosity toward this person. Hagrid suspects 
Filch.  

Filch has angered a few others as well for a variety of reasons. 
(Maybe a detention went bad for the 2 students.) Sort of a `Murder 
on the Orient Express' sort of thing.  Everyone has a motive to want 
the man dead. 

Later Filch has an accident of some sort and it looks like murder, 
but isn't.  Everyone thinks that someone else did it, and they all 
ponder to themselves the motives the others had.  A few band 
together here and there, maybe a love interest, and they share their 
thoughts with the other person. A couple or two plot to get the real 
killer to confess. 

Maybe some Draught of Living Death comes into play. Maybe Filch 
isn't really dead. 

Oh, I am out on a limb here at 2:00am. I will have to think more 
about this
  have to go to bed now.

Tonks_op  
Zzzzzzzz








From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 15 07:56:20 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:56:20 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609141136t124c6158v8584f20db6ea59a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eedmb4+bmr5@eGroups.com>

> Ali:
> I'd also go for a recipe collection, especially if it 
> could be divided into recipes people found and recipes 
> they've created.  I love reading recipes people have 
> created or obscure ones that have been found in the 
> family attic, especially if they come with stories of 
> how the recipes came about; it's always such fun.

Kelley:
Sure, absolutely!  I've gone ahead and created the folder, 
but of course, anyone here can create folders themselves, 
new folders within the "Recipes" folder, for whatever 
categories they like.

If anyone has any trouble creating a folder, adding a 
text file, etc., just give me a yell!

--Kelley







From random832 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 14:40:37 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:40:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <450A4E9E.6832.285FF28@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
References: <20060914013125.D37122CF555@mail01.chariot.net.au>
	 <7b9f25e50609140409y2b492f39t9ab4b818135ebded@mail.gmail.com>
	 <450A4E9E.6832.285FF28@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>

Shaun:
> He can sign his name as 'Edward' and nothing else, and it is his
> legal signature

I thought that in most common law jurisdictions (including, among
others, 49 of the 50 United States, EnglandAndWales, and Canada [but
not Quebec]) any mark made with one's own hand (if intended as a
signature of course) was a legal signature? That is, I could sign as
"Edward" and it would be a legal signature for me despite it not even
being my name. There are practical matters regarding authentication of
course, but my handwriting is reasonably distinct and if I were to
make a habit of signing in that way that would not be an issue, and in
that case I don't believe there's any law saying that's not a legal
signature.

-- 
Random832



From heidi8 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 21:26:41 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:41 -0400
Subject: Any teachers or librarians interested in discussing book banning?
Message-ID: <5913e6f80609151426r21c69152gb23d7ef7ab631ea6@mail.gmail.com>

We're planning a round table for the next episode of SpellCast
(http://www.spell-cast.com) that focuses on book-banning and
cansorship issues, in connection with the ALA's commemoration of
Banned Books Week.

If you're a teacher or a librarian, or if you dealt with
book-censorship issues as a student, let us know via a post here or
email spellcast at fictionalley.org and we'll coordinate with you to
schedule your participation.

Thanks in advance!



From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri Sep 15 22:29:19 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:29:19 -0000
Subject: Legal names and signatures
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eef9fv+63tm@eGroups.com>

> Shaun:
> > He can sign his name as 'Edward' and nothing else, and it is his
> > legal signature

Isn't there a usually an "R" (for "Rex" or "Regina") following? I have
a vague recollection of "Elizabeth R" being the title of a movie or
public TV series from way back... 

Random832:
> I thought that in most common law jurisdictions (including, among
> others, 49 of the 50 United States, EnglandAndWales, and Canada [but
> not Quebec]) any mark made with one's own hand (if intended as a
> signature of course) was a legal signature? That is, I could sign as
> "Edward" and it would be a legal signature for me despite it not even
> being my name. There are practical matters regarding authentication of
> course, but my handwriting is reasonably distinct and if I were to
> make a habit of signing in that way that would not be an issue, and in
> that case I don't believe there's any law saying that's not a legal
> signature.

I'm guessing you've never bought a house! Or maybe I live in that 50th
state with different laws, but I *think* that would be Lousisiana... 

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I had to sign with my *full* legal name, not
my usual signature, on what seemed like an innumerable forms. I think
I've had to sign full legal name on other documents, e.g. medical
forms, too. 

When writing checks, I think you can sign any way you like; as long as
the bearer can convince the bank it was you I guess it would be
"legal". The bank itself may have its own standards.


Elisabet, who is not a lawyer and does not play one on the internet -
just relating her own experience. 






From random832 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 23:46:34 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:46:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Legal names and signatures
In-Reply-To: <eef9fv+63tm@eGroups.com>
References: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eef9fv+63tm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50609151646w49b5e2f6sdd04e2a619338321@mail.gmail.com>

Elisabet:
> I'm guessing you've never bought a house! Or maybe I live in that 50th
> state with different laws, but I *think* that would be Lousisiana...

That's Louisiana, all right.

But anyway, whether a particular party requires you to sign your full
legal name is a different matter than whether it would be legally
required to be recognized as a signature.

maybe you could just claim it's a really squiggly "X" and have a
witness countersign.

> Elisabet, who is not a lawyer and does not play one on the internet -
> just relating her own experience.

I'm not a lawyer either - but just because it's your experience
doesn't mean that they didn't impose requirements above and beyond
being a legal signature in order to cover themselves.

-- 
Random832



From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Sep 16 00:37:13 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:37:13 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Legal names and signatures
In-Reply-To: <eef9fv+63tm@eGroups.com>
References: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <450BD3D9.29814.876A7BB@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 15 Sep 2006 at 22:29, kkersey_austin wrote:

> > Shaun:
> > > He can sign his name as 'Edward' and nothing else, and it is his
> > > legal signature
> 
> Isn't there a usually an "R" (for "Rex" or "Regina") following? I have
> a vague recollection of "Elizabeth R" being the title of a movie or
> public TV series from way back... 

For the Monarch, yes, that is correct - the Monarch by convention signs their first name, 
followed by an R which does stand for Rex or Regina in Latin. And British monarchs who also 
held the title of Emperor or Empress of India, could sign their name followed by an R and an I 
- the I being for Imperator or Imperatrix, Latin for Emperor.

If you check this out:

http://tinyurl.com/od44q

you will see the Instrument of Abdication signed by Edward VIII when he abdicated the throne 
in favour of his brother Albert in 1936.

You can see the signatures of Edward VIII - Edward R I

and his three living brothers as witnesses - all princes, so they all sign with their first names 
only.

Albert, Duke of York, who was later proclaimed as George VI.

Henry, Duke of Gloucester

George, Duke of Kent.

The Prince of Wales is entitled to sign his name followed by a P - for Princeps (so Charles P) 
at present, but other British princes do not do this.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Sep 16 00:37:13 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:37:13 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <450A4E9E.6832.285FF28@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <450BD3D9.22721.876A72F@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 15 Sep 2006 at 10:40, Jordan Abel wrote:

> Shaun:
> > He can sign his name as 'Edward' and nothing else, and it is his
> > legal signature
> 
> I thought that in most common law jurisdictions (including, among
> others, 49 of the 50 United States, EnglandAndWales, and Canada [but
> not Quebec]) any mark made with one's own hand (if intended as a
> signature of course) was a legal signature? That is, I could sign as
> "Edward" and it would be a legal signature for me despite it not even
> being my name. There are practical matters regarding authentication of
> course, but my handwriting is reasonably distinct and if I were to
> make a habit of signing in that way that would not be an issue, and in
> that case I don't believe there's any law saying that's not a legal
> signature.

Different definitions of legal signatures.

For most purposes, a unique identifying mark will serve the purpose of a signature - if all that 
is required that a particular individual gave consent to something or agreed to a contract.

But that still strictly speaking isn't a legal signature in the true sense of the word.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From random832 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 16 01:44:50 2006
From: random832 at gmail.com (Jordan Abel)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:44:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Legal names and signatures
In-Reply-To: <450BD3D9.29814.876A7BB@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
References: <7b9f25e50609150740r23338cd2pcf381e75a761650f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eef9fv+63tm@eGroups.com>
	 <450BD3D9.29814.876A7BB@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <7b9f25e50609151844v2ee50d4ga1b240ea45cab9e5@mail.gmail.com>

Shaun:
> The Prince of Wales is entitled to sign his name followed by a P - for Princeps (so Charles P)
> at present, but other British princes do not do this.

How does Prince Philip sign? You'd think he'd get something special
like that for being married to the Queen.

-- 
Random832



From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sat Sep 16 02:16:41 2006
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:16:41 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Legal names and signatures
In-Reply-To: <7b9f25e50609151844v2ee50d4ga1b240ea45cab9e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <450BD3D9.29814.876A7BB@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <450BEB29.30861.8D1BC19@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 15 Sep 2006 at 21:44, Jordan Abel wrote:

> Shaun:
> > The Prince of Wales is entitled to sign his name followed by a P - for Princeps (so Charles P)
> > at present, but other British princes do not do this.
> 
> How does Prince Philip sign? You'd think he'd get something special
> like that for being married to the Queen.

Simply as Philip - due to his status as a Prince of the United Kingdom.

Philip really isn't entitled to anything special from being married to the Queen. He is 
sometimes referred to as a Prince Consort, but this is somewhat nebulous under British 
traditions - the only man ever to be officially given that title is Queen Victoria's husband, 
Prince Albert.

Philip was born a Prince - of Greece and Denmark, a title he held until 18th March 1947, at 
which point he renounced these titles so he could marry (then) Princess Elizabeth. Up until 
that point, his signature was Philippos.

>From 18th March 1947to 18th November 1947, he was a commoner, and his signature would 
have been Philip Mountbatten. He was kinghted on the 18th November (made a Knight of the 
The Most Noble Order of the Garter) and until the 20th was Sir Philip Mountbatten (he 
was given the style of His Royal Highness on the 19th November, but this would not have 
effected his signature) and was created Duke of Edinburgh on the 20th - at this point his 
signature was properly 'Edinburgh', though I believe he used 'Philip' and nobody objected. In 
1957, he was made a Prince of the United Kingdom, and from that day onwards, he has been 
fully entitled to sign himself as Philip.

Basically the husband of a Queen Regnant has no automatic entitlement to any title in Britain. 
Philip's current titles were granted to him by his father-in-law, or by his wife.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 05:21:15 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 05:21:15 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eecomk+s405@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeg1kb+kj7i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
> >  Phil, thank you this stuff is great - I need a smaller body tho' 
> since I need to sew him - what do you think of Flitwick?
> 

Tonks:
I think that Flitwick does not by nature have any enemies. So if he is 
the dead one it is because he discovered something, or someone doing 
something and they had to kill him to keep him quiet. But why others 
would have a motive.. I don't know. I think that everyone likes him. 

Tonks






From queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 07:19:45 2006
From: queen_amidalachic at yahoo.com (Maria)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:19:45 -0000
Subject: Saved -- PG-13 -- Voldemort, Harry
Message-ID: <eeg8ih+fhlr@eGroups.com>

"You will never destroy me, Harry Potter. Never." Voldemort holds out 
his locket like a prize he had won, a locket which his Death Eaters 
only know half about. 

Title: Saved 
Rating: PG to Pg-13 
Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Death Eaters 
Medium: Cg and sketch. 
http://teawithvoldy.livejournal.com/225297.html






From ladilyndi at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 09:25:21 2006
From: ladilyndi at yahoo.com (Ladi lyndi)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 02:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eeg1kb+kj7i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060916092522.97281.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tonks <tonks_op at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
  --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
> > Phil, thank you this stuff is great - I need a smaller body tho' 
> since I need to sew him - what do you think of Flitwick?
> 

Tonks:
I think that Flitwick does not by nature have any enemies. So if he is 
the dead one it is because he discovered something, or someone doing 
something and they had to kill him to keep him quiet. But why others 
would have a motive.. I don't know. I think that everyone likes him. 

Tonks


   
   
  Lynn:
   
  Ah, but that smidge of goblin blood has led him to become a spy for the goblins and he has been found out!  He was carrying some valuable information which, if discovered by the wrong person, could change the course of the WW forever.  So, who was it that killed him?  Was it the person he stole the information from?  Was it someone who desperately needed that information to make their move?  Was it Mrs. Norris who, like most cats, just liked to lie anywhere they can to make people trip?  Inquiring minds and all that.


 		
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From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Sat Sep 16 11:06:47 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Jan)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:06:47 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <20060916092522.97281.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eegls7+8t7p@eGroups.com>


> Tonks:
> I think that Flitwick does not by nature have any enemies. So if he is 
> the dead one it is because he discovered something, or someone doing 
> something and they had to kill him to keep him quiet. But why others 
> would have a motive...
> Tonks
    
>   Lynn:
>    
>   Ah, but that smidge of goblin blood has led him to become a spy
for the goblins and he has been found out!  He was carrying some
valuable information which, if discovered by the wrong person.......
_____

This is exactly the thing that works in a murder mystery - the players
have this kind of dialogue and reason out the real killer in the end.
AND If we pick a "good guy" more players will feel compeled to help.
AND we could come up with some really funny reasons for his demise.
Did he borrow a scarf from Sybil and not return it? Did Poppy resent
his healing charms?

Tesha







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 13:16:26 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:16:26 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthday Wishes for the first half of September!
Message-ID: <eegtfa+beou@eGroups.com>

*looks up from her frantic redecorating of the party room*

Yes, I know, I know. I've been caught red-handed trying to make up for 
missing some birthdays. Can I blame a frantic work weekend for Labour 
Day that just sent my schedule downhill from there? Good, as that 
really *is* what happened!

Let me just bring in lots of goodies to appease the starving crowd.

*runs off quickly, trailing a gold streamer stuck to her foot*

Stop laughing, it's kind of like having toilet paper stuck to your shoe!

*bring back in trolleys laden with hors d'oeuvres, sandwiches and 5 
very large cakes decorated in different colours*

Think that will help? :)

Birthdays missed this month were Meg Rose, Phil Boswell, Marina Javor, 
Vinnia and Illyana Delorean. Belated birthday owls can be sent here or 
directly to the birthday honourees at: Meg Rose - megrose_13 at yahoo.com, 
Phil - phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk, Marina - lipglossusa at yahoo.com, Vinnia - 
vinnia_chrysshallie at yahoo.co.nz and Illyana - illyana at mindspring.com

I hope all of you had magical days, filled with fun, food and good 
friends.

Happy Birthday, Meg Rose!
Happy Birthday, Phil!
Happy Birthday, Marina!
Happy Birthday, Vinnia!
Happy Birthday, Illyana!

Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who really wishes she'd had Labour Day off 
work like the holiday intended :)






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sat Sep 16 13:25:02 2006
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 16 Sep 2006 13:25:02 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-OTChatter 
Message-ID: <1158413102.223.61488.w106@yahoogroups.com>


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 22:20:10 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:20:10 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eegls7+8t7p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eehtaq+qfsm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Tonks:
> > I think that Flitwick does not by nature have any enemies. So if 
he is the dead one it is because he discovered something, or someone 
doing something and they had to kill him to keep him quiet. But why 
others would have a motive...
> > Tonks
>     
> >   Lynn:
> >    
> >   Ah, but that smidge of goblin blood has led him to become a spy
> for the goblins and he has been found out!  He was carrying some
> valuable information which, if discovered by the wrong 
person.......
> _____
> 
Tesha:
> This is exactly the thing that works in a murder mystery - the 
players have this kind of dialogue and reason out the real killer in 
the end. AND If we pick a "good guy" more players will feel compeled 
to help. AND we could come up with some really funny reasons for his 
demise. Did he borrow a scarf from Sybil and not return it? Did 
Poppy resent his healing charms?
> 

Tonks:
Sybil is the one that will do the prophesy so she will not be the 
killer.  Also...  I am still trying to figure out the mystery of Jan 
being Tesha. ;-)  

Tonks_op






From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Sep 16 22:26:38 2006
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:26:38 -0000
Subject: Buddhist / Knight and Day / Christmas Pudding
Message-ID: <eehtmu+sj3v@eGroups.com>

Dina wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30630>:

<< I was raised by a Japanese Buddhist.. >>

None of my business, but was she Japanese (from Japan, or her parents
were?) or did she convert to Japanese Buddhism?

<< Heh, she saw this article on Orlando Bloom since the same Buddhist
division >>

Article? Buddhist division?

Shaun wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30657>:

<< Knights or Dames - which are the male and female equivalents of the
same honour - >>

I learned that when I was 10 or 11, except at first I thought the
female title was Day, to go with Night.

Alexis wondered in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30671>:

<<if Hogwarts serves Christmas pudding and whether the kids enjoy them>>

Lee stormed replied in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/30673>:

SS: "Flaming Christmas puddings followed the turkey. Percy nearly
broke his teeth on a silver sickle embedded in his slice."

I add:

CS: "Harry and Ron had barely finished their third helpings of
Christmas pudding when Hermione ushered them out of the hall"






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 22:43:17 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:43:17 -0000
Subject: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eegls7+8t7p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eehum5+n6h7@eGroups.com>

Tesha:
> This is exactly the thing that works in a murder mystery - the 
players have this kind of dialogue and reason out the real killer in 
the end. AND If we pick a "good guy" more players will feel compeled 
to help. AND we could come up with some really funny reasons for his 
demise. Did he borrow a scarf from Sybil and not return it? Did 
Poppy resent his healing charms?


Tonks:
OK, here goes. My best shot.
Flitwick has a nephew that works at Gringotts and he has heard about 
an attempted break-in.  The Goblins want to keep it quiet because it 
would not be good for business.  Flitwick says that he will keep an 
eye open for anything that he might hear.  He will never tell what 
he knows about the break-in, family honor and all, so the Goblins 
secret is safe with him.

Now maybe Sybil, a little hopped up on wine went to her vault and 
got a bit confused and tried to open the wrong one, setting off the 
alarm. And she quickly left, in a drunken stupor and a blackout.  
She does not remember any of this.

Meanwhile, others (who??)are watch the vault (for ?? purpose)and 
have discoved the attempt. They are looking for the person. They do 
not know that it is Sybil. They try to get information from Flitwick 
because they know that his nephew works there. Flitwick will not 
tell....

I don't think you should really KILL Flitwick.  Just give him a 
little sip of the Living Death stuff.  And it will take the new 
Potions Master to figure that part out. Maybe a trace in a cup in 
Flitwick's room.  It is a rare potion, only very advance Masters 
know how to brew it.  It is not in Pomphrey's area of expertise to 
figure out what has happened to Flitwick and she thinks that he is 
dead.  But before they can have the funeral and put poor Flitwick in 
the ground or burn him as the case may be
   just in the nick of 
time 
   the mystery is solved and Flitwick is saved. 

Tonks_op
who does *not* write fan-fiction.






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 22:56:44 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:56:44 -0000
Subject: Labor Day in Canada - Elves
In-Reply-To: <eegtfa+beou@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eehvfc+mmu9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sheryll Townsend" <s_ings at ...> 
wrote:
> Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who really wishes she'd had Labour Day off 
> work like the holiday intended :)
>

Tonks:
What is THIS!!  Elves don't get holidays, especially Labor day!! What 
are you a secret member of SPEW, that left wing orginazation?

And I thought that Labor Day was just a U.S. holiday. ??

Tonks_op
;-)  maybe I'd better be nice to the elves. ya.. maybe...







From phil at pcsgames.net  Sun Sep 17 00:29:08 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:29:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I could use some help from the experts
References: <eehum5+n6h7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005101c6d9f0$566b7860$6600a8c0@phil>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tonks 
  To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:43 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I could use some help from the experts


  Tesha:
  > This is exactly the thing that works in a murder mystery - the 
  players have this kind of dialogue and reason out the real killer in 
  the end. AND If we pick a "good guy" more players will feel compeled 
  to help. AND we could come up with some really funny reasons for his 
  demise. Did he borrow a scarf from Sybil and not return it? Did 
  Poppy resent his healing charms?

  Tonks:
  OK, here goes. My best shot.
  Flitwick has a nephew that works at Gringotts and he has heard about 
  an attempted break-in. The Goblins want to keep it quiet because it 
  would not be good for business. Flitwick says that he will keep an 
  eye open for anything that he might hear. He will never tell what 
  he knows about the break-in, family honor and all, so the Goblins 
  secret is safe with him.

  Now maybe Sybil, a little hopped up on wine went to her vault and 
  got a bit confused and tried to open the wrong one, setting off the 
  alarm. And she quickly left, in a drunken stupor and a blackout. 
  She does not remember any of this.

  Meanwhile, others (who??)are watch the vault (for ?? purpose)and 
  have discoved the attempt. They are looking for the person. They do 
  not know that it is Sybil. They try to get information from Flitwick 
  because they know that his nephew works there. Flitwick will not 
  tell....

  I don't think you should really KILL Flitwick. Just give him a 
  little sip of the Living Death stuff. And it will take the new 
  Potions Master to figure that part out. Maybe a trace in a cup in 
  Flitwick's room. It is a rare potion, only very advance Masters 
  know how to brew it. It is not in Pomphrey's area of expertise to 
  figure out what has happened to Flitwick and she thinks that he is 
  dead. But before they can have the funeral and put poor Flitwick in 
  the ground or burn him as the case may be. just in the nick of 
  time . the mystery is solved and Flitwick is saved. 

  Tonks_op
  who does *not* write fan-fiction.



   Now Phil:
  Flitwick, the  small wizard with a dash of Goblin blood, is found dying in his classroom.
  He is taken to the hospital wing where Pomfrey gives him some medicine. Flitwick chokes and dies.   
  Sybill  is the main suspect until it is discovered that he was killed by one of Hagrid's  crossbow arrows.
  Then it was found out that the arrow had poison on its head. The two students are suspect since they were part of the archery team that practiced in the classroom.
  They were recovering in the hospital wing from the poison that they were using on the arrow tips.
  At the Christmas dinner, McGonagall brings the portrait of  Dumbledore down and places it on the wall so he can speak to the group.
  He says that although there were no portraits in Flitwick's classroom, other portraits reporter that everyone at the table was seen going into the classroom at sometime during the day.
  McGonagall  says she went into Professor Flitwick's
  classroom to discuss his request to  relocate his office from near the base of the West Tower to the top of the North tower formally inhabited by Sybill Trelawney. 
  Sybill then goes into a trance and says:
  "THE ONE WITH THE POWER THAT VANQUISHED THE WHITE HAIRED ONE IS HERE. ... Killed          BY THOSE WHO HAVE THRICE DEFIED HIM, 
  KILLED AS THE TWELFTH MONTH
  DIES. 
  AND THE WHITE HAIRED ONE  WILL MARK THEM AS HIS EQUAL, 
  BUT THEY WILL HAVE POWER THE WHITE HAIRED ONE KNOWS NOT. 
  AND THE WHITE HAIRED ONE DIED AT THE HAND
  OF THE OTHER FOR HE COULD NOT LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES."

  But why would anyone want to kill tiny little Filius Flitwick?
   Hagrid might have accidentally shot the arrow through the open window in Flitwick's classroom. 
  Sybill  losing her protection from Dumbledore was thought to be soon evicted from her premises by  the more senior Professor,  Flitwick.
  Pomfrey  forgetting about Flitwick's ancestry, may have given him a antidote that was not compatible with his part Goblin blood.  
  The two Slytherin  students thought injuring Flitwick would give their team better odds in winning the next house cup.
   
  The murderer turned out to be Snape who before  he Stupefied Flitwick, used the Imperius Curse on him to have him shoot himself at Christmas with a poisoned boomerang arrow.
  But it turns out that the poison Snape put on the arrow was really the Draught of Living Death.
  Phil who came up with this idea on Sept 14 and sent it directly to Jan.


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Sep 17 00:42:29 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:42:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I could use some help from the experts
In-Reply-To: <eehtaq+qfsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6d9f2$27a537d0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

| Tonks:
| Sybil is the one that will do the prophesy so she will not be the 
| killer.

[Lee]:
Oh? <Grin>  Consider that yes, she does the prophecy, and indeed, looks
nothing like a killer.  Yes, she's a bit batty, but totally harmless...but
is she? <Evil Grin>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sun Sep 17 02:38:29 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:38:29 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dame Maggie Smith in Wheelchair - why?
Message-ID: <57b.51e930e.323e0f25@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/13/06 10:19:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tonks_op at yahoo.com writes:


> Tonks:
> So they have made changes from the book yet again. But they should 
> *think* about this, because the chair looks like a modern one. And 
> the WW is depicted as being in the 18th or 19th century. Even in the 
> 1940's U.S. film "It's a Wonderful Life", the bad guy, Mr. Potter, 
> is in a wheel chair and it looks much older than what they have for 
> Smith. So if they are going to put her in a chair, it should be one 
> that fits the era that the WW is in.
> 
> 

Sandy:

I thought the same thing when I saw this. I knew it was a movie prop, but 
it's all wrong. If they are going to put her in a wheelchair it should look like 
the one Shirley Temple's father was in in the movie Little Princess (I think 
it was Little Princess). I don't know why the cane wouldn't suffice. I guess 
they think the wheelchair is more dramatic. If so, they could at least make it 
look like it belongs at Hogwarts. Geeze.

Sandy


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 17 23:27:51 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:27:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Labor Day in Canada - Elves
In-Reply-To: <eehvfc+mmu9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060917232751.87275.qmail@web56003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sheryll:
> > Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who really wishes she'd
> had Labour Day off 
> > work like the holiday intended :)
> >
> 
> Tonks:
> What is THIS!!  Elves don't get holidays, especially
> Labor day!! What 
> are you a secret member of SPEW, that left wing
> orginazation?
> 
> And I thought that Labor Day was just a U.S.
> holiday. ??
> 
> Tonks_op
> ;-)  maybe I'd better be nice to the elves. ya..
> maybe...
> 
Sheryll:

Well, Elves may get holidays but I don't get them at
work. We're open 10 to midnight, 7 days a week, 365
days a year. Okay, so we've got a bit shorter hours on
Christmas and New Years, but that's about it. 

Nope, Labour Day is a Canadian holiday as well. Except
for me. :D

Sheryll

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From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 00:27:37 2006
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:27:37 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <001b01c6d850$2b2e0f60$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <eekp5p+10t9e@eGroups.com>

I am not a big fan of Christmas Pudding... Although my entire family 
enjoys it every christmas...(then again...they also like fruitcake--
but only if it's homemade--except for hubby he even likes cake in 
that comes in a can)... I also make a boiled cake (tastes sort of 
like fruit cake--simply no candied artifically colored 
fruit...slightly different consistency--I make this for one of my 
kids whose allergic to just about anything on earth! LOL)

My kids do love "toad-in-the-hole" however unless there is a store 
nearby where you can buy "brit" sausages...you may be out of 
luck..however I have had some luck using those "emiril" sausages 
they sell in regular grocery stores.

then again there is always a "welsh egg"...oh and to be fair...also 
the scotch egg...LOL

my kids still don't believe me when I say that we had regluar ol' 
knives and forks and ate of real, if not proper plates when 
eating "cafeteria lunch" at school LOL...although I'm sure that 
school lunches have also changed in the U.K. as well as the U.S. 
after all these years..."all hail the spork!" lol

One thing I have probably missed the most...is having "fried 
tomatoes" with breakfast when going out to eat breakfast or even at 
home...although there is a split household regarding this three of 
us love 'em, and three do not.. (And for Americans...no it's nothing 
like fried green tomatoes--which I also love, its more like a little 
butter/marge/olive oil in the pan add slice tomatoes(thicker the 
better in my opinion--probably because I'm "American" add 
salt/pepper to taste...serve with breakfast..mmmmm

(actually one doesn't have to serve them only with breakfast....my 
mum used to make them for us when she made egg and chips..)

DeeDee

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "(Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is 
the Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [Ali wrote]:
> | ~Ali, who wonders if Hogwarts serves Christmas pudding and 
whether the
> | kids enjoy them
> 
> [Lee]:
> 
> Yes, indeedy...Sorcerer's Stone, Christmas Dinner:
> "Flaming Christmas puddings followed the turkey. Percy nearly 
broke his
> teeth on a silver sickle embedded in his slice."
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
>








From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 04:17:12 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:17:12 -0000
Subject: Labor Day in Canada - Elves
In-Reply-To: <20060917232751.87275.qmail@web56003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eel6k8+2oea@eGroups.com>

> Sheryll:
> 
 Okay, so we've got a bit shorter hours on
> Christmas and New Years, but that's about it. 
> 
> Nope, Labour Day is a Canadian holiday as well. Except
> for me. :D
> 

Tonks:
Now that is better. You are an elf. Of course you don't get labor day 
off, but a few hours on Christmas and New Years is nice. Your master 
must be a liberal. You wouldn't get that much in the Black or Malfoy 
household. ;-)

Tonks_op






From kkersey at swbell.net  Mon Sep 18 16:28:25 2006
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:28:25 -0000
Subject: Recipes? / Re: Another Test
In-Reply-To: <eekp5p+10t9e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eemhf9+t5g5@eGroups.com>

doddiemoemoe wrote:
> One thing I have probably missed the most...is having "fried 
> tomatoes" with breakfast when going out to eat breakfast or even at 
> home...although there is a split household regarding this three of 
> us love 'em, and three do not.. (And for Americans...no it's nothing 
> like fried green tomatoes--which I also love, its more like a little 
> butter/marge/olive oil in the pan add slice tomatoes(thicker the 
> better in my opinion--probably because I'm "American" add 
> salt/pepper to taste...serve with breakfast..mmmmm

That's one of my favorite breakfasts - slice of toast, slice of
cheese, pour the hot fried tomatoes over. I often add some basil or
other herb if I have it handy - especially in the summer when I've got
lots fresh. 

I didn't know it was a British thing - maybe I'll have to revise my
opinion about British cuisine (yes, I've had the Christmas Pudding
experience, and while I found the whole concept intriguing, I don't
think I need to repeat it. Of course, the pudding was produced by the
same family whose teenage son, shortly after arriving here, mistook a
bowl of dried cat food sitting on the the patio table for some
American party snack and actually had *more than one handful* before
someone noticed he was eating Friskies... not to imply that says
anything negative about his mom's cooking, but maybe that pudding
wasn't the best speciman by which to judge the whole Christmas Pudding
genre. In any case, British culture has also produced Plain Chocolate
Digestives and that ought to redeem any number of culinary, er,
peculiarities.)

> I also make a boiled cake (tastes sort of 
> like fruit cake--simply no candied artifically colored 
> fruit...slightly different consistency--I make this for one of my 
> kids whose allergic to just about anything on earth! LOL)

On the subject of fruitcake, I used to love my grandmother's homemade
but absolutely loathed any other, homemade or no. Now I realize that
my grandmother only used apricots and pecans, and either left out the
icky green and red candied stuff or used them sparingly on top for
decoration (where they could be easily picked off). Turns out that
there is an apricot/pecan version available in those fancy tins, and
that my mother-in-law and I between us can finish one off in a short
weekend. :-) The boiled cake sounds interesting...

Elisabet







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 18:58:32 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:58:32 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Red & Green Icky Stuff
In-Reply-To: <eemhf9+t5g5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eemq8o+m74h@eGroups.com>

---  "kkersey_austin" <kkersey at ...> wrote:
>...
> On the subject of fruitcake, I used to love my 
> grandmother's homemade but absolutely loathed any 
> other, homemade or no. Now I realize that my g
> grandmother only used apricots and pecans, and either
> left out the icky green and red candied stuff ...
> 
> Elisabet
>

bbyminn:

Exactly what is that 'red and green icky' stuff. That is
certainly the most objectionable part of fuit cake? Your
grandmother's apricot and pecan cake sounds divine. You 
generally don't find too many fans of apricots but I like 
them. 

Back to red and green icky stuff, what is it? It taste 
like nasty ill-flavored wax. I swear Gummy Bears or diced
up candy worms (the rubbery type) would taste better. 

Personally, I think some cranberries and perhaps cherries 
or some nice bits of diced orange with the rine would do
the trick nicely. 

Speaking of cranberries and oranges, my mother makes the
best cranberry relish at Thanksgiving and Christmas. 
Unfortunately she has made it for so many years that she
no longer has the recipe, she makes it more by instinct.

Basically, you grind up a couple of bag of raw cranberries
and, say, two or three oranges, peelings and all, in a meat
grinder or other similar food grinder. Then dump it all in
shallow cake pan and cover it with a cup or so of sugar, 
stir, and let sit in the refrigerator over night. 

Just curious about the sadist who invented those 'icky 
things'.

Steve/bboyminn







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 00:11:48 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:11:48 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <eemq8o+m74h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eenck5+6r4h@eGroups.com>

---  "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of cranberries and oranges, my mother makes the
> best cranberry relish at Thanksgiving and Christmas. 
> Unfortunately she has made it for so many years that she
> no longer has the recipe, she makes it more by instinct.
> 
> Basically, you grind up a couple of bag of raw cranberries
> and, say, two or three oranges, peelings and all, in a meat
> grinder or other similar food grinder. Then dump it all in
> shallow cake pan and cover it with a cup or so of sugar, 
> stir, and let sit in the refrigerator over night. 
> 
> ...
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Talked to Mom, and depending on the size of the batch 
of Best Cranberry Relish you want to make, this is the
recipe.

- One bag of raw cranberryies (12 to 16 ounces) 
- one washed seedless orange quartered
- 1/2 to 3/4 cup of sugar

My nephew works for a large grocery chain, and mades this
relish to sell every year. Good, but still not as good
as Mom's. She just has an instinct for the right 
combination and proportion of ingredients.

Simple, but excellent relish that has been a tradition in
our family for many many decades.

Steve/bboyminn







From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 00:37:39 2006
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:37:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <eenck5+6r4h@eGroups.com>
References: <eemq8o+m74h@eGroups.com> <eenck5+6r4h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>

Steve:
> Talked to Mom, and depending on the size of the batch
> of Best Cranberry Relish you want to make, this is the
> recipe.
<SNIP recipe>
> Simple, but excellent relish that has been a tradition in
> our family for many many decades.

I make a relish very similar to that, using orange juice & zest
instead of a whole orange and about half the amount of sugar along
with a pinch of cinnamon.  Like your mother's recipe, it always goes
over well; unfortunately, because I only make this stuff around
Thanksgiving, people always eat it the next day because they insist on
having the canned jellied stuff with their turkey (probably quite
unlike what happens with your mother's relish, Steve).

But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items claiming
itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)

~Ali



From lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 01:09:28 2006
From: lwilliams15209 at yahoo.com (lwilliams15209)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:09:28 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eeng08+7o19@eGroups.com>

> But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
> canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items 
>claiming itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)
> 
> ~Ali

  I would eat both items, but to be completely honest, I would feel 
cheacted if I didn't get the canned stuff. Maybe I've just been 
conditioned, but after how many years of the canned stuff, I can't 
help it. 

  Linda






From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 02:14:54 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060919021454.88507.qmail@web53213.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "P. Alexis Nguyen" <alexisnguyen at gmail.com> wrote:
> ... 
> But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know
> how many like the
> canned stuff at Thanksgiving ...
> ~Ali
> 
I think we all love what we always had as kids - my
favorite was my mom's, which is different than any
I've had or heard of.  Cook cranberries in a little
water until they pop.  Push through a food mill or
sieve.  Add the juice of several oranges, and some of
the pulp.  Grate a couple apples and add sugar to
taste.  We also had the jellied stuff, but I never got
attached to that.

Now I'm hungry for Thanksgiving dinner...

Sue




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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Tue Sep 19 03:00:56 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:00:56 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
Message-ID: <2df.d4d1aff.3240b768@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/15/06 12:47:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
o_secca at sbcglobal.net writes:


> > Sandy wrote:
> > 
> > I feel better now because I don't know what felching is either. It 
> must be 
> > our age because I think you and I are about the same age. I don't 
> want to check 
> > the website, but as soon as I can find time I'm going to look the 
> word up. 
> > Something tells me, though, that I am going to wish I didn't.
> 
> Secca (formerly Argus Pyrites) adds:
> 
> Sandy, and any others coming in to this thread late, I just want to 
> make sure that you understand that there is nothing wrong with the 
> Immeritus site! It is a Harry Potter site that is focused on all 
> things having to do with Sirius Black. The site is well done and 
> deserving of the Fan Site Award Mrs. Rowling gave them. Among the 
> many things offered at the site, they have an active FanFiction 
> group <SNIP>
> 

Sandy responds:
Not to worry, Secca. My reasons for not wanting to go to the site have 
nothing to do with it's content; I just don't have time. I am perpetually running 
four or five days behind on my group email, as you can see with the length 
between your post and mine, and if I get involved with one more Harry Potter group 
or site I am going to have to give up eating, sleeping and bathing because, 
unfortunately, I can't give up my job. And to go to any Harry Potter website is 
to get involved in it some way or another. I don't do or get involved with fan 
fiction, but I am sure there would be something on the site that would cause 
me to while away a couple of hours and fall further behind on my group mail. 
So I looked the word up on Wikipedia, which took about two minutes, and learned 
more than I ever wanted to know.

Sandy


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Sep 19 02:54:08 2006
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:54:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6db96$e1069480$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[Ali]:
| But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
| canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items claiming
| itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)

[Lee (sheepishly)]:
Uh--guess it depends what one was brought up with.  Since forever, I only
had the canned jelly stuff.  Now, I have occasionally had "real" cranberry
sauce (which I guess is the same as the term "relish"), but it never *felt*
the same.  It was good, but it just wasn't, for me, the cranberry sauce I'd
been raised with.

Ah--I never said I was perfect!! <Sheepish Grin, ducking under table...>

Cheers,

Lee :-)Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 04:50:52 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:50:52 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eensvc+m1p4@eGroups.com>

> ~Ali
> But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
> canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items claiming
> itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)
> 

Tonks:
I like a good 'relish' type like Steve's mom makes. I have only had 
that as an adult. But I buy the can stuff and have that too. I usually 
go out with friends for Thanksgiving these days, so I miss having left 
overs. I have the can stuff with some stove top stuffing on the side 
the next day. Pathetic I know, but I am not much of a cook and do not 
have any family. My friends don't cook either and all the people that 
we use to know that did have died off, so we go out. Sometimes I buy 
the relish type at the grocery store too.

Tonks_op







From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 05:39:44 2006
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Inappropriate content accessed from JKR.com
In-Reply-To: <265.104b3834.323b67a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060919053944.90923.qmail@web37713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh my! I just looked up "felching" .....again, Oh my!
   
  Alex

OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:
          In a message dated 9/10/06 9:33:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tonks_op at yahoo.com writes:

> Tonks:
> Well I see that there is nothing boring over here at OT. I don't 
> even know what that term (felching) means myself. Guess I should go 
> check out that website.
> 
> 

Sandy:

I feel better now because I don't know what felching is either. It must be 
our age because I think you and I are about the same age. I don't want to check 
the website, but as soon as I can find time I'm going to look the word up. 
Something tells me, though, that I am going to wish I didn't.

Sandy

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From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Tue Sep 19 10:46:59 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:46:59 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <eensvc+m1p4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeohr3+sip2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> > ~Ali
> > But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
> > canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items claiming
> > itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)


Tesha:
Alright, I'll admit it - I love the canned stuff - I keep a little can
for when we have Stove-Top - but it's all about comfort food for me.
The tradition of it just brings back so many memories!!! Tradition be
damned tho' I'll never make that horrid green veg-all jello salad that
was on the table every year-- blech!!!








From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Sep 19 13:12:06 2006
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:12:06 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Mom's Best Cranberry Relish
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0609181737p42fa5ce4n50f65c427113559e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eeoqb6+e335@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" 
<alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
> I make a relish very similar to that, using orange juice & zest
> instead of a whole orange and about half the amount of sugar along
> with a pinch of cinnamon.  Like your mother's recipe, it always goes
> over well; unfortunately, because I only make this stuff around
> Thanksgiving, people always eat it the next day because they insist on
> having the canned jellied stuff with their turkey (probably quite
> unlike what happens with your mother's relish, Steve).

There are many variations on the cranberry relish theme.  Mine is the 
same as Steve's except that I also add a bosc pear and some walnuts.  I 
cut down on the sugar, too, but that's because I don't like food that's 
oversweetened.

> But as I brought up the topic, I would like to know how many like the
> canned stuff at Thanksgiving and will balk at any other items claiming
> itself cranberry sauce.  Anyone?  Anyone? :)

I despise the jellied cranberry sauce (I don't like any kind of 
jelly).  We only get the fresh relish recipe because I added it to the 
Thanksgiving menu.  However, both kinds must be served every year, and 
the jelly is much more popular (by a 3:1 ratio).  Only the fresh-food 
fanatics prefer the relish.

Debbie






From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Tue Sep 19 16:13:03 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:13:03 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Red & Green Icky Stuff
In-Reply-To: <eemq8o+m74h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eep4uf+l1nd@eGroups.com>

 
> bbyminn:
> 
> Exactly what is that 'red and green icky' stuff. That is
> certainly the most objectionable part of fuit cake? 

Tesha>
According to NutsOnLine.com...

"Glazed Mixed Peel is a diced combination of orange peel, cherries,
and lemon peel. Ideal for fruit cakes."

I use it when I make the once-every-other-year-cake for the only
person I know who LIKES it! - honest to gosh the cake can last at
least 2 years! - I use the good Icky Stuff and soak it in rum for 24
hours - not gummy, not nasty - heady might be a good description. Then
when the cake is done, I sprinkle it with rum every day for 2 weeks
and wrap it tightly. When you open the container, lean over it and you
can get a buzz.






From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 16:51:11 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Recipes? Red & Green Icky Stuff
In-Reply-To: <eep4uf+l1nd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060919165112.80728.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com>


> > bbyminn:
> > 
> > Exactly what is that 'red and green icky' stuff.
> That is
> > certainly the most objectionable part of fuit
> cake? 

The icky red and green stuff is candied red and green
cherries, which, in my opinion, bear no discernable
relationship to candy or to cherries or to any natural
product in the univers.  Well, that's not quite true -
the sugar concentration gives them _some_ relation to
candy, but it's a technical similarity only.  And the
colors could only have come from a chemistry lab.

I detest standard issue fruitcake, but have a friend
who makes one that is quite nice.  No citron, no icky
red and green stuff, just real dried fruits and fresh
nuts bound together with a batter and saturated with
spirits.  I, of course, insist that it is not REALLY
fruitcake - it can't be, because it tastes good. :-)

Sue

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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 20 04:04:47 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:04:47 -0000
Subject: Recipes? Red & Green Icky Stuff
In-Reply-To: <eep4uf+l1nd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeqekv+tcke@eGroups.com>

> 
> "Glazed Mixed Peel is a diced combination of orange peel, cherries,
> and lemon peel. Ideal for fruit cakes."
> 
> I use it when I make the once-every-other-year-cake for the only
> person I know who LIKES it! - honest to gosh the cake can last at
> least 2 years! - I use the good Icky Stuff and soak it in rum for 24
> hours - not gummy, not nasty - heady might be a good description. Then
> when the cake is done, I sprinkle it with rum every day for 2 weeks
> and wrap it tightly. When you open the container, lean over it and you
> can get a buzz.
>

Tonks:
I like fruit cake if it isn't dry as a rock.(but your are talking to 
someone who doesn't cook, so almost anything made by someone else is 
good to me.)

Rum.. Ah, yes... I think I might have had one of your's once. ;-)

Tonks_op






From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 16:49:34 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dark Mark Halloween decoration
In-Reply-To: <eeqekv+tcke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060922164934.27484.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas, maybe?) who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon rope lights for a Halloween decoration.  Did anybody happen to bookmark that article, or know of anyone who might be making or selling something similar for this year's season?
   
  Thanks.
   
   
  MJ



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From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Fri Sep 22 17:44:23 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:44:23 -0000
Subject: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
In-Reply-To: <20060922164934.27484.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ef17dn+4djk@eGroups.com>

MJ>
> Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas,
maybe?) who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon
rope lights for a Halloween decoration.  Did anybody happen to
bookmark that article, or know of anyone who might be making or
selling something similar for this year's season?
>    

Tesha>
I found a reference to something like it, but it's recent
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:PWqQwRValOgJ:www.french-roast.com/+dark-mark+halloween+green&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13
pardon the length, but this is an archived page from Google, as this
is a blog and updated often.

good luck and let us see it when you've got it up!







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 20:11:43 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:11:43 -0000
Subject: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
In-Reply-To: <20060922164934.27484.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ef1g1v+nkm9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas, 
maybe?) who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon 
rope lights for a Halloween decoration.  Did anybody happen to 
bookmark that article, or know of anyone who might be making or 
selling something similar for this year's season?
>    

Tonks:
There are no official Halloween decorations of the Dark Mark. But it 
should not be hard to make one. Just look at the picture on the 
bookcover, get some wire (in a craft store) bend it to look the same 
and add the green neon rope lights.  It would be cool. If I had the 
time and a house I would do it. I live in an apartment and we don't 
get any trick or treaters.  But,,,  I do dress up and go myself. ;-) 
Well just to people that I know.

Tonks_op







From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 19:13:22 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
In-Reply-To: <ef17dn+4djk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060922191322.16447.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I *KNEW* it was in Texas!  It's probably the same family who displayed it last year.  
   
  Darn....now, even more so, I completely want a Dark Mark!  
   
  So...anybody out there good with a welding torch?  :D
   
   
  MJ

Tesha <Jan at TheWebFixers.com> wrote:
          MJ>
> Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas,
maybe?) who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon
rope lights for a Halloween decoration. Did anybody happen to
bookmark that article, or know of anyone who might be making or
selling something similar for this year's season?
> 

Tesha>
I found a reference to something like it, but it's recent
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:PWqQwRValOgJ:www.french-roast.com/+dark-mark+halloween+green&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13
pardon the length, but this is an archived page from Google, as this
is a blog and updated often.

good luck and let us see it when you've got it up!



         


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From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Sat Sep 23 11:06:19 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:06:19 -0000
Subject: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
In-Reply-To: <20060922191322.16447.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ef34fb+jj3g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Marita Jan <maritajan at ...> wrote:
>
> I *KNEW* it was in Texas!  It's probably the same family who
displayed it last year.  
>    
>   Darn....now, even more so, I completely want a Dark Mark!  
>    
>   So...anybody out there good with a welding torch?  :D
>    

> 
> Tesha 
    Try writing to the owner of the blog, maybe he knows something
that can help?   Your house is gonna' be soooo cool!






From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 22:44:12 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:44:12 -0400
Subject: Keeping the OT in OTChatter ;-), review on Supernatural songvids (9/23/06)
Message-ID: <1a2738400609231544t1e033110p7cf312fb6474f4f6@mail.gmail.com>

Living up the OT in OTChatter by bringing a completely different
fandom into the mix.  I've been doing SPN vid comments for a bit.  One
here just to mix things up.


Standard disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.  So if I'm
critical of a vid, it's not because I really know how to edit.  I'll
comment on the vids I saw.

After already hearing local news reports of fighting over the newest
Tickle Me Elmo doll, I'll go Sesame Street 'old skool' and say this
post is brought to you by the letter, J.

This week was the 'launch' of the CW network and with it brought more
'platonic boy love' between Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles.  With
such classic moments filmed on tape of Padalecki 'molesting' Ackles
from behind (icons at
http://graphixbyebonio.livejournal.com/63640.html ) and that amusing
moment of the CW caption, "the kids from... 'Everybody Hates
Chris'"... look behind those kids, in the very back, for the 'big
kids' of Supernatural at
http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/136862.html  Ackles uses
breath freshner spray and then Padalecki opens his mouth for Ackles to
spritz and then Ackles does one extra in the face for good measure,
which you can see Padalecki laugh.  Suffice it to say, the RPS folk
had their theories on why both guys may have needed breath freshner.
{chuckle}  And on that thought, J2 vids...


Song Title/Vid Title: Life is a Highway
Artist: Tom Cochrane
Vidder: lisan
Characters: actors (Jared and Jensen)
http://lisan.livejournal.com/493197.html

Taking advantage of a good internet connection, I opted to download
the big muthafuka file choice... Change of times, I remember thinking
a 28.8 modem (versus 14.4) was fast when I got my first computer.
Entertaining vid where the vidder tried to match as many literal clips
to lyrics.  Touching back on past vid comments RE: 'highway' metaphors
for life in general, as a lighter/fun look, literalism mostly worked
here.  Editing, not a bad job done with just one very noticeable rough
cut, I especially liked the quick cuts between photo scenes in the
makeup/hair trailer in relationship to the music.  Not exactly a song
I'm 100% lovin' but that's no fault of the vidder.


Song Title/Vid Title: Hella Good
Artist: No Doubt
Vidder: scbrooking
Characters: Sam and Deal (Jared and Jensen)
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/229085.html

Fun vid and first time I heard this song.  I was getting into the
'retro' music. {g}  Overall, I had mixed reactions to this vid.  I
enjoyed the opening sequence of promo image stills (some I hadn't seen
before and not just because they're for S2) to the single percussion
beat.  I also considered more of my favorite parts to include
additional stills to the music but it worked for me because those
moments were in moderation, considering the song and image choices.  I
didn't jive with the PS ending scene, the Sonofabitch Dean clip
sequence, because it seemed to have no connection to the vid, other
than being added on at the very end.  It's a vid I'd probably watch
again, past the three or more times I may watch a vid to type up these
comments, so the vid does have something going for it... well, yeah,
obviously 'eye candy' for me. ;-)

Also, this vid did remind me of how I was amused by that slow pan of
Dean's prostrate body in bed and the timing of the opening credit
saying 'Starring Jared Padalecki' right around the pan's timeframe
showing Dean's ass.

A complete tangent... as a former Star Trek: Voyager slasher of
Chakotay/Paris, I was even more amused to see the director name of
Robert Duncan McNeill pop up in Skin's opening credits.  I was like
{blink, blink}... 'Tom Paris' brought the yummy shapeshifter!Dean and
Sam scenes with lots of bondage and blood 'play'?!  Next to Kathy
Bates for her directing two sweaty guys wrestling and the camera speed
shifting for a slow rub against each other in seduction for Oz, RDM
became my 'hero' for bringing the UST 'eye candy'. {g}  Bit of a
flashback, I think Tom Paris topped the multi-fandom angst archive as
character most likely to be 'tortured' in fic (i.e. TnT =
Tom'n'Torture) back in the late 1990s.  Years later, I still remember
the usage of a 'spiked' dildo in one slash fic. Ouch.


Song Title/Vid Title: The Night It Went Too Far
Artist: Jet Set Satellite
Vidder: sacrilicious
Characters: Sam and Dean (Wincest)
http://sacrilicious.livejournal.com/37374.html

Speaking of the episode, Skin, this vid uses scenes from it to help
construct/enhance the [sexual] tension between Sam and Dean.  Ugh, a
multitude of fade to blacks!  Actually, the fades do work for this vid
with cuts to 'meaningful looks' but does remind me of my initial
sentiment of seeing this effect too often in SPN vids.  I believe this
is the first time I've heard this song and I like it.  Song had a good
'edge' to it for the tension between the brothers and, eventually,
their father.  Overall, I consider this vid a 'keeper' and would
definitely watch it again.


Song Title/Vid Title: For Once In My Life
Artist: Michael Buble
Vidder: Sena
Characters: Sam and Dean
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/227220.html

LOL, wow!  As I was watching this vid, I had this smile that was
hurting my cheeks. :-D  It's good to see a variety of music types and
the vidder made this song work in a light-hearted way.  While the vid
was intended as 'brotherly love', it could also be seen as Wincest, if
you wanted to look at it that way.  Reminded me of reading a post
where a non-fan watched Supernatural and didn't initially realize Sam
and Dean were supposed to be *brothers*.  With season two, TPTB are
bringing in more actresses. {chuckle}  Anyway, nice pace and editing.
Definite keeper.


Song Title/Vid Title: Chasing Cars
Artist: Snow Patrol
Vidder: Amanda
Characters: Sam and Dean (Wincest)
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/228567.html

Even though this is the second SPN vid to the same song I've seen, I
still went 'awww'.  As I said before, it's a nice song.  The brothers
are so cute in their 'angsty love'. {g}  I liked the sentiment behind
this vid, but while the song was slow-paced, some clips ran a bit too
long and too much literalism of lyric to clip didn't benefit this vid,
IMHO.  Just when I was really getting into the emotion of the song and
scene, a literal shot *that didn't enhance the emotion* jarred me out.
 I'm not against literal shots in non-humour vids; I just think they
should be 'harmonious' with the tone of the vid and meaning of the
song.


Dina



From mskeshaffer at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 24 06:33:39 2006
From: mskeshaffer at earthlink.net (mskeshaffer)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:33:39 -0000
Subject: dark mark decoration
Message-ID: <ef58s3+k70v@eGroups.com>

> 1a. Re: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
>    Posted by: "Marita Jan" maritajan at yahoo.com maritajan
>    Date: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:57 am (PDT)
>
> Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas, 
maybe?) 
> who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon rope 
lights 
> for a Halloween decoration.  Did anybody happen to bookmark that 
article, 
> or know of anyone who might be making or selling something similar 
for 
> this year's season?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
>  MJ


I had received info on this last year in an email from a Halloween 
propbuilding list.  The links to the pictures still work!
-----
The Polvadore family in Nacogdoches, Texas have spent the last few 
days
constructing a real-life Dark Mark. The model, which looks great at 
night,
is four by five feet and was made out of green rope lights. They have
positioned the eerie Mark seven feet above their house. Check out 
some pics
below:

Close-up http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/darkmark2-
1.jpg,

Night http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/darkmark3.jpg,

and Day http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?
image_location=/darkmark1.jpg.

----
hope it helps.  Odysseyqueen 








From seuferer at netins.net  Sun Sep 24 07:52:28 2006
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:52:28 -0000
Subject: Fiery Inception - Post-war, HBP-compliant RPG
Message-ID: <ef5dfs+pur2@eGroups.com>


   ATTENTION ALL QUALITY-GAME-SEEKING ROLEPLAYERS!

Have you LOOKED at Fiery Inception? Our quality of players, excellent
writing skills, active, involved admin team, and friendly, active group
of players means we are one of the better games out there!

--No 'one liners'!
--Very involved plots - both admin and player-driven!
--Creative game premise with plenty of room for player sub-plots
--Shipping does NOT make up the 'core' of our game - though reasonably
developed relationships of all sorts (slash, het, femmeslash) are
permitted.
--None of our players play more than two characters, most play only one,
so dedication and quality of writing is exemplary!
--Paid Main community for better layout, organization and commitment -
we are here for the long haul.
--Strong Admin commitment to accept only high-quality players to keep
overall game quality HIGH.

http://community.livejournal.com/fiery_inception
<http://community.livejournal.com/fiery_inception>

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`\
/`/`/`/`/`/

* Canon through HBP, game started March 1, 2006.
* Game is set in 2000, began the day after Voldemort's defeat
* Age 18 and up, only
* Adult content permitted, slash and het, within reason, see rules
* Original characters permitted, MWPP age and older, within very
stringent guidelines, see rules
* Rich admin-driven plot environment with plenty of individual character
sub-plots.

* Administration Team consists of six reliable, rpg-experienced, adult
individuals ranging in age from 18 to nearly 40--this is not a 'fly by
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/`/

"In ashes of despaire, though burnt, shall make thee live." --Sir
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/`/

http://community.livejournal.com/fiery_inception/
<http://community.livejournal.com/fiery_inception/>
    * Canon through HBP, game started March 1, 2006.
    * Game is set in 2000, begins the day after Voldemort's defeat
    * Age 18 and up, only
    * Adult content permitted, slash and het, within reason, see rules
    * Original characters permitted in MWPP or older age-grouping, within
very stringent guidelines, see rules.
    * Rich admin-driven plot environment with plenty of individual
character sub-plots.
    * Please Note: The Admin team for this game consists of six
individuals ranging in age from 18 to nearly 40, most of whom have
played together for over two years. This is not a fly-by-night, quick to
die game! Apply with confidence!




The Ministry of Magic, determined to prevent the rise of yet another
'Dark Lord', has gone to extremes to try to get control of the more
'dangerous' segments of the population. A mandatory Registration Process
is in effect for anyone known or suspected to have Death Eater ties
during the war, if their crimes did not leave them legally incarcerated.
Werewolves, too, are Registered, with strict restrictions on curfew,
wards permitted around residences, bi-weekly Wand Checks to watch for
'illegal' activity and the like. Much of the Wizarding population feels
the Ministry has the right idea, and believes themselves to be 'safer'
knowing that people like Snape, the Malfoys, Lupin's pack of werewolves,
and others are under close Ministry supervision.

Though there are many still at-large who have avoided the Registry
process.

Hogwarts School, Headed by Minerva McGonagall, has just reopened after
reconstruction, and Minerva has announced sweeping changes to the
Sorting System, in an effort to increase inter-house unity and combat
prejudice amongst the students. These changes are being observed with a
critical eye - the Headmistress is already proving almost as eccentric
as her predecessor, hiring known Registrants and Werewolves to teach
children! Minerva McGonagall has planted herself firmly against the
Ministry's institutionalised prejudice.

The 'average Joe' just wants to be left alone, to rebuild their lives,
open their shops, raise their families, and not live in constant fear
anymore! Lucius Malfoy has published a very moving book of his 'Memoirs'
regarding his years as a Ministry Spy, and how deeply grieved he is over
the things he was forced to see and do in this very difficult and
dangerous role. He is slowly, stirring the political cauldron with
ambitions to be the next Minister for Magic - if not the Next Dark Lord.

There are Death Eaters who were not 'caught', though, waiting and
searching for someone to lead them. It has been six months, and they are
becoming reckless in their desperation. Fenrir Greyback makes random
appearances of terror-inspiration, yet has continued to evade capture.

Ministry, Hogwarts, Politics, Criminals - they all combine to leave a
great deal of upheaval, even in 'peace'.


1. Game rules: http://community.livejournal.com/inception_ooc/545.html
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_ooc/545.html>
2. Basic Role-playing tips, hints, dos and don'ts:
http://community.livejournal.com/inception_ooc/1713.html
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_ooc/1713.html> "
3. Available Characters:
http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/669.html
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/669.html>
4. Beginning Plot: http://community.livejournal.com/fi_synopsis/597.html
<http://community.livejournal.com/fi_synopsis/597.html>
5. Application: http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/profile
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/profile>  be warned, we
are picky!
6. NEW! Lurker Community!
http://community.livejournal.com/fi_lurkers/profile
<http://community.livejournal.com/fi_lurkers/profile>  For those who
like to 'watch' and 'chat' about role-play games, even if they choose
not to join them.
7. Administration Team Contact Information: fiery_inception at yahoo.com

/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`

Choice Characters Now Available!
Harry Potter,
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/33728.html>  Ron
Weasley, <http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/32820.html> 
Bill Weasley,
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/33133.html>  Draco
Malfoy, <http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/34171.html> 
Nymphadora Tonks,
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/33879.html>  Theodore
Nott, <http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/32670.html>  and
Arthur Weasley!!
<http://community.livejournal.com/inception_apps/30457.html>  Molly is
played brilliantly, and needs her loving husband. In addition, Arthur is
greatly desired for the game in general, in the hopes of having someone
to counter the still-active Pureblood Supremacist movement. We have high
hopes that a good Arthur Weasley player would position him to 'run' for
Minister of Magic in the fall!   Please NOTE: Ron, Bill and Harry may
NOT be gay.  We would *prefer* that Draco not be gay as well, but
finding a non-gay Draco seems to be very difficult, so we will consider
gay/bisexual Draco applications.  Draco may not 'ship with or be
'romantically obsessed' with Harry, Ron, or Snape.

Many other characters!
We also would love more MWPP-age contemporaries, which means NON-Sue/Stu
Original characters are welcome for this era. We would like Hogwarts
`teachers' for the various vacancies listed on the game, even
though there are no actual students and we will not be playing out
'classes'.

Open Characters include: Original Adult Characters! - Non-Sue/Stu
Original adult characters of MWPP era and older are welcome! Join one of
the few SERIOUS CANON games which actively recruits for and allows OC's!

Kinsgley Shacklebolt, Sturgis Podmore, Alastor Moody, Malcom Baddock,
Vincent Crabbe, Blaize Zabini, Daphne Greengrass, Dean Thomas, Angelina
Johnson, Stewart Ackerly, Eddie Carmichael, Roger Davies, Cormac
McLaggen, Ernie MacMillian, Susan Bones, Justin Finch-Fletchley, Emma
Dobbs, Eloise Midgen, and many others are still open.


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From maritajan at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 24 14:57:06 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] dark mark decoration
In-Reply-To: <ef58s3+k70v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060924145707.99244.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANK YOU!!!  THANK YOU!!!  THANK YOU!!

That's exactly the article I remembered from last year!  

Thanks so much!!!


MJ

--- mskeshaffer <mskeshaffer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> > 1a. Re: Dark Mark Halloween decoration
> >    Posted by: "Marita Jan" maritajan at yahoo.com maritajan
> >    Date: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:57 am (PDT)
> >
> > Last year about this time, an article came out about a guy (Texas, 
> maybe?) 
> > who had created his own "Dark Mark" with metal and green neon rope 
> lights 
> > for a Halloween decoration.  Did anybody happen to bookmark that 
> article, 
> > or know of anyone who might be making or selling something similar 
> for 
> > this year's season?
> >
> >  Thanks.
> >
> >
> >  MJ
> 
> 
> I had received info on this last year in an email from a Halloween 
> propbuilding list.  The links to the pictures still work!
> -----
> The Polvadore family in Nacogdoches, Texas have spent the last few 
> days
> constructing a real-life Dark Mark. The model, which looks great at 
> night,
> is four by five feet and was made out of green rope lights. They have
> positioned the eerie Mark seven feet above their house. Check out 
> some pics
> below:
> 
> Close-up
http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/darkmark2-1.jpg,
> 
> Night http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/darkmark3.jpg,
> 
> and Day http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=/darkmark1.jpg.
> 
> ----
> hope it helps.  Odysseyqueen 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-------------------------------
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From madettebeau at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 06:47:56 2006
From: madettebeau at gmail.com (Maddy)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:47:56 -0000
Subject: Prophecy 2007's Call for Proposals
Message-ID: <ef7u2s+vlqa@eGroups.com>

I'm happy to announce that Prophecy 2007 has released its Call for
Proposals!

Prophecy 2007 is seeking proposals
<http://hp2007.org/indexx.html?page=programming/callforpapers>    for a
variety of educational programming. Individual presentations, discussion
panels, round tables, workshops and poster sessions addressing topics
relevant to the books and/or the fan community are welcome.

For more information, please click 
<http://hp2007.org/indexx.html?page=about/news#sept2006> 
<http://hp2007.org/indexx.html?page=about/news#sept2006> here
<http://hp2007.org/indexx.html?page=about/news#sept2006>   .

=)
Maddy



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 06:55:59 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 02:55:59 -0400
Subject: With SPN S2 this week, more Wincest RE: SPN vid comments
Message-ID: <1a2738400609242355m7ff5ff2fi76c340e6a2c5a6bb@mail.gmail.com>

Season two premiere of Supernatural this Thursday, and yeah, at least
one Winchester is going to hell, but before that happens, Winchester
incest... Mmm, yummy.

Standard disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.  So if I'm
critical of a vid, it's not because I really know how to edit.  I'll
comment on the vids I saw.

I have a headache from missing sleep and laughing.

Song Title/Vid Title: You've Got A Friend In Me
Artist: Lyle Lovett and Randy Newman
Vidder: wordplay
Characters: actors (Jared  & Jensen)
http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/116070.html

The opening clip had me thinking 'Jolene, Jolene, Jolene'. {chuckle}
Those who saw the Lord King Bad Vids show at VVC 2006 may remember
Zoe's SGA vid, Jolene, and the 'ghosting' repetition. {g}  Not a bad
vid, a couple rough cuts.  Longer edits worked for the song's slow
pace.


Song Title/Vid Title: Don't Cha [Wish Your Girlfriend Was Hot Like Me]
Artist: Pussycat Dolls
Vidder: cathybites
Characters: Sam and Dean (Wincest)
http://cathybites.livejournal.com/500073.html

Initially, I thought of Talitha's Smallville vid using this same song.
 I first saw Talitha's Don't Cha vid at VVC 2006... Possibly a
vidshow?  Definitely at the SGA/SV room party.  Very good vid :-), so
I had some fun memories entering into this vid and the SPN version
didn't let me down.

LOL, another keeper from cathybites.  After watching Black Betty (SPN
Impala vid), this vidder has a good sense of timing, IMO, and you can
see it in this vid as well.  Just to name a few instances of this:
Dean pointing to his head and then he looks down as the lyric says
'little situation', Sam pointing to Dean for the 'give me the number',
and Dean's pen-eating smile for 'hot like me'.  The timing was on the
money, except for one stray frame around the 01:57-01:58 mark, and the
video seems darker in source.  One problem with vidding SPN is that
many scenes are lacking good lighting for fan vids.  Still a highly
entertaining vid, especially the ending credits. :-D  Two thumbs up!


Song Title/Vid Title: At Last
Artist: Etta James
Vidder: Maygin
Characters: Sam and Dean (Jared and Jensen)
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/232513.html

I've commented on the vids in the order I watched them.  By the time I
finished watching this vid, I was laughing to the point I was starting
to cry.  LOL!  This is such a classic song and... {chuckle} pairing it
with Supernatural's Wincest. :-D  Opening with the stripper!priests
and the heart-shaped gradient?  So *wrong* but funny!  Editing
followed the easy pace of this song, so scenes flowed well.

However, there were a few instances of the scenes lagging slighty
behind the lyric (e.g. the lyric starting while the fade to black was
still at full opacity) and another instance of the scenes being dark
in the lighting area.  I got a new Dell LCD earlier this year with a
used nVidia Quadro FX video card, and while I usually have it set to
80% on brightness/contrast (eyesight going bye-byes and I don't like
bright lights), I've currently got the brightness boosted to 100%.
I've tried brighter and/or adjusting contrast but didn't seem too help
much, other than making me wince. {g}


Song Title/Vid Title: Time Turned Fragile
Artist: Motion City Soundtrack
Vidder: roday
Characters: Sam and Dean (possible Wincest)
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/222989.html

Unfortunately, I really did not like this song and it'll bias me.  The
frantic music and fight sequence as an opening scene and then cut to
wee!Sammy being cute?  Sorry, looking at the lyrics, I can see why the
vidder chose it, but listening to the song... seemed chaotic for me.


Song Title/Vid Title: I Walk the Line
Artist: Johnny Cash
Vidder: Chiana
Characters: Sam and Dean
http://community.livejournal.com/supernaturalvid/230022.html

After seeing this song done to a March of the Penguins vid at VVC
2006, a penguin or *two* popped up in the back of my mind as I was
watching this. {g}  Hm, I wasn't jiving with all the fade to blacks,
which I think may have increased the timing being off on some scenes
and its inclusion didn't seem to fit in areas.  While I can see some
fades working, there were a few too many working against what could've
been a better vid, IMO.  One of my favorite moments because it fit
with the music was Dean beating against the steering wheel as the
opening clip.  It's a good song for SPN.


Dina



From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Mon Sep 25 07:50:37 2006
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:50:37 +0100
Subject: Announcement: New Sectus Website!
Message-ID: <6493bc80609250050k6b31b78cjaadc4423d628a72d@mail.gmail.com>

 We're pleased to announce that the new Sectus website is now up at
http://www.sectus.org.

As well as the fancy new design, created by Snakeling, you can now do the
following:

- Register for Sectus: Registration is still available at the early bird
rate of just ?45 if you book before 31st October 2006.

- Receive news and updates via our website, to your inbox or via an RSS
reader.

- Download past issues of The Snake's Quill, the Sectus newsletter. *The
Snake's Quill* is sent out to all registrants automatically, and uploaded to
our website a week later.

- View our Call for Papers <http://www.sectus.org/programme.php>, which
contains all the information you need for planning that paper or panel you
would like to present.

- View our timetable and start planning your Sectus weekend.

- Sign up for the Tri-London Tournament<http://www.sectus.org/trilondon.php>,
the centrepiece of Sectus 2007.

- Purchase tickets for Not the Yule Ball <http://www.sectus.org/ntyb.php>,
being held on the Sectus Saturday night.

- Book your accommodation for the Sectus weekend.

- Read about our London Experience
<http://www.sectus.org/experience.php>and sign up for numerous events
and activities in the week leading up to
Sectus. This includes the trip to Alnwick Castle, the filming location for
Hogwarts in the first two films.

- Our Residential Course <http://www.sectus.org/residential.php> is now sold
out, but you can still add your name to our waiting
list.<http://www.sectus.org/residregister.php>
.

- Buy a Sectus t-shirt. <http://www.sectus.org/merchandise.php>.

- Find out about sponsoring an event.<http://www.sectus.org/sponsorship.php>
.

- Find out how to have a sales stand <http://www.sectus.org/dealers.php> at
Sectus.

- Find out about Book Aid International <http://www.sectus.org/charity.php>,
to whom all proceeds of Sectus will be donated.

Have any questions? Email me directly or see the Contact
Us<http://www.sectus.org/contactus.php>page. We hope you like the new
site, and we can't wait to welcome you to
London next July!

Many, many thanks to Snakeling for the huge amount of work she has put into
this. Please show your gratitude by signing up!

Best wishes

Elanor

-- 
http://elanor-isolda.livejournal.com

Celebrate the 10th anniversary of Harry Potter in London!  Register now for
Sectus 2007 at http://www.sectus.org


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From coverton at netscape.com  Tue Sep 26 07:24:31 2006
From: coverton at netscape.com (corey_over)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:24:31 -0000
Subject: any one interested in football or videogames
Message-ID: <efakjf+vsai@eGroups.com>

Hi group. If any one is interested in the nfl or video games that
would like to email off list please let me know.

Corey









From jlnbtr at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 26 18:38:55 2006
From: jlnbtr at yahoo.com (jlnbtr)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:38:55 -0000
Subject: Book Releases
Message-ID: <efbs3v+b8to@eGroups.com>

I'm out of lurkdom to ask a question, Does anyone know the time each 
book was published and the time its title was announced? I'm thinking 
it's about time we learn book 7 title, that is if we're hoping for a 
07/07/07 release.

Juli







From k.coble at comcast.net  Tue Sep 26 18:53:16 2006
From: k.coble at comcast.net (Katherine Coble)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:53:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Releases
In-Reply-To: <efbs3v+b8to@eGroups.com>
References: <efbs3v+b8to@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E16E4D4D-86D2-4391-A2CF-603B317FED8C@comcast.net>

We'll hear the title at Christmas.
On Sep 26, 2006, at 1:38 PM, jlnbtr wrote:

> I'm out of lurkdom to ask a question, Does anyone know the time each
> book was published and the time its title was announced? I'm thinking
> it's about time we learn book 7 title, that is if we're hoping for a
> 07/07/07 release.
>
> Juli
>
>
> 



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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 18:58:21 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:58:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Book Releases
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We learned in December of 04 about HBP which was out in July 06, and we 
learned on January 15, 2003 about the June 03 release of OotP. So even 
if it is July 07 I don't think we *need* to hear before January.

Heidi

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> book was published and the time its title was announced? I'm thinking
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From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Wed Sep 27 12:45:23 2006
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Luckdragon)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:45:23 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge
Message-ID: <efdrp3+s3pg@eGroups.com>

Luckdragon:
The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics of the actress 
who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does not look anything like I 
imagined Umbridge to look. The director/wardrobe people(whoever) have 
made her look like a Margaret Thatcher/ Princess Margaret look-a-like. 
Instead of the frumpy thick cottagewear I imagined she is dressed in 
elegant dress and perfectly matching shoes with a matching shawl. Her 
hair is perfectly coiffed(sp?). Is anyone else disappointed with this 
portrayal. Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to hate?







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 27 17:07:58 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:07:58 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efdrp3+s3pg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efeb5e+ah7q@eGroups.com>

---  "Luckdragon" <luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>
> Luckdragon:
> The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics
> of the actress who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does
> not look anything like I magined Umbridge to look. ....
> Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
> hate?
>

bboyminn:

I agree, they didn't cast Umbridge for her body type at
all. I was very dissappointed in the casting until I 
heard Mathew Lewis (Neville) talk about her in one of
the Pottercasts. He said she is absolutely horrible. Like
you don't want to turn you back on her for a second for 
fear that she will stab you, and you are always afraid of
what he might be cooking up in that twisted little head 
of hers. So, it sounds like she has a good handle on the
character. Though I am still convinced there were plenty 
of British actresses who could have captured the 
character AND looked like Umbridge.

I was also disappointed in the casting for Tonks. She 
really should be someone just slightly older that the 
Trio. To some extent I picture Tonks as just an 
older kid who is much more able to relate to Harry, Ron,
Hermione, and Ginny than she is to other adults around 
her. As well as very young, I also pictured her as 
somewhat tall (above average) and very thin. Not the 
sexy buxom woman they appear to have cast. Again, I 
can't  believe there aren't enough young actresses in
England who are physically more the character of Tonks.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn







From maritajan at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 27 17:48:36 2006
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (Marita Jan)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efeb5e+ah7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060927174836.1676.qmail@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised at Umbridge, when the movie comes out.  I've seen several of Staunton's movies (I really liked "Vera Drake") and I can completely see her in this part.  She doesn't have the icky 'trying to be a pretty young girl' thing that Umbridge as written tries to pull off, but otherwise, oh, yea.....cold.  Evil.  Smile with her lips but daggers in her eyes.  Umbridge all the way.
   
   
  MJ

Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
          --- "Luckdragon" <luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>
> Luckdragon:
> The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics
> of the actress who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does
> not look anything like I magined Umbridge to look. ....
> Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
> hate?
>

bboyminn:

I agree, they didn't cast Umbridge for her body type at
all. I was very dissappointed in the casting until I 
heard Mathew Lewis (Neville) talk about her in one of
the Pottercasts. He said she is absolutely horrible. Like
you don't want to turn you back on her for a second for 
fear that she will stab you, and you are always afraid of
what he might be cooking up in that twisted little head 
of hers. So, it sounds like she has a good handle on the
character. Though I am still convinced there were plenty 
of British actresses who could have captured the 
character AND looked like Umbridge.

I was also disappointed in the casting for Tonks. She 
really should be someone just slightly older that the 
Trio. To some extent I picture Tonks as just an 
older kid who is much more able to relate to Harry, Ron,
Hermione, and Ginny than she is to other adults around 
her. As well as very young, I also pictured her as 
somewhat tall (above average) and very thin. Not the 
sexy buxom woman they appear to have cast. Again, I 
can't believe there aren't enough young actresses in
England who are physically more the character of Tonks.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn



         


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From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 27 19:36:56 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:36:56 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efeb5e+ah7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efejso+tvnh@eGroups.com>

> > Luckdragon:
> > The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics
> > of the actress who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does
> > not look anything like I magined Umbridge to look. ....
> > Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
> > hate?
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I agree, they didn't cast Umbridge for her body type at
> all. I was very dissappointed in the casting until I 
> heard Mathew Lewis (Neville) talk about her in one of
> the Pottercasts. He said she is absolutely horrible. Like
> you don't want to turn you back on her for a second for 
> fear that she will stab you, and you are always afraid of
> what he might be cooking up in that twisted little head 
> of hers. So, it sounds like she has a good handle on the
> character. (Snip

> I was also disappointed in the casting for Tonks. She 
> really should be someone just slightly older that the 
> Trio. 

Tonks:
As usual I am lost. I can not find 'my' picture. I did see the one 
of Umbridge. She doesn't look toady enough. Maybe they could have 
done something with the make-up. But from the expression on her 
face, she does seem like a real B....!!  So I suspect she does have 
the character down well. Better than that always disapointing DD, I 
am sure.

Does anyone have a link to my picture??

Tonks_op







From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 27 19:47:09 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:47:09 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efejso+tvnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efekft+fn9q@eGroups.com>


> Tonks:
> 
> Does anyone have a link to my picture??


>Tesha:

  Is this you???

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/h/harry_potter_phoenix_cast/tonks.jpg







From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Sep 27 19:49:24 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:49:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efejso+tvnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE013HyYa6yc600001305@compdevsys.com>

 
 

> > Luckdragon:
> > The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics
> > of the actress who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does
> > not look anything like I magined Umbridge to look. ....
> > Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
> > hate?
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I agree, they didn't cast Umbridge for her body type at
> all. I was very dissappointed in the casting until I 
> heard Mathew Lewis (Neville) talk about her in one of
> the Pottercasts. He said she is absolutely horrible. Like
> you don't want to turn you back on her for a second for 
> fear that she will stab you, and you are always afraid of
> what he might be cooking up in that twisted little head 
> of hers. So, it sounds like she has a good handle on the
> character. (Snip

> I was also disappointed in the casting for Tonks. She 
> really should be someone just slightly older that the 
> Trio. 

Tonks:
As usual I am lost. I can not find 'my' picture. I did see the one 
of Umbridge. She doesn't look toady enough. Maybe they could have 
done something with the make-up. But from the expression on her 
face, she does seem like a real B....!! So I suspect she does have 
the character down well. Better than that always disapointing DD, I 
am sure.

Does anyone have a link to my picture??

Tonks_op



 Michelle:
I just went and googled Cast of Order of the Phoenix and got the full cast
list.  If that's what you're looking for... if not...ignore me.
 
Michelle  


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From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 27 19:51:33 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:51:33 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efejso+tvnh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efeko5+q71a@eGroups.com>

 
> Tonks:

> Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> 

>Tesha:
   Ha - or this!!

   http://sherbet-lemon.net/wallpapers/hp_tonks.jpg






From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 27 19:58:50 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:58:50 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efeko5+q71a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efel5q+iuds@eGroups.com>


>  
> > Tonks:
> 
> > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > 
> 
> >Tesha:
>    Ha - or this!!


here she is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena







From Jan at TheWebFixers.com  Wed Sep 27 20:04:19 2006
From: Jan at TheWebFixers.com (Tesha)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:04:19 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efeko5+q71a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efelg3+86o0@eGroups.com>

 
> > Tonks:
> 
> > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > 
> 
> >Tesha:

Here you are, really...

http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1898&pos=2







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 20:13:29 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:13:29 -0400
Subject: Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
Message-ID: <1a2738400609271313v22334daaped976fe0e6f1a574@mail.gmail.com>

Huh, I had one of those 'I haven't posted to ArtisticAlley in awhile'
moments when I received an email notification today--dude, note the
timestamp jumps from 2004 to today:

http://www.artisticalley.org/reviews/showthread.php?postid=395146#post395146

Wow, I inspired... in a *positive* way, which is shocking.  My second
thought was 'are you sure you have the right vid'? ;-)  If she does
have the right vid, it was nice of her to post and it's good to see a
new generation of vidders.  Good sentiment: "...There is a reason to
create art, because it inspires."

Dina



From taguem at jmsearch.com  Wed Sep 27 20:15:35 2006
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:15:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efel5q+iuds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EXCHANGE01I3k9iZc1J00001338@compdevsys.com>

Michelle
I can totally see her playing Tonks.  She has that look in her eye... 
Michelle


> 
> > Tonks:
> 
> > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > 
> 
> >Tesha:
> Ha - or this!!

here she is

http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena>
.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena



 


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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 20:26:36 2006
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:26:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400609271313v22334daaped976fe0e6f1a574@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400609271313v22334daaped976fe0e6f1a574@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f80609271326s763ea774od36d4cf28326e96c@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/27/06, Dina Lerret <bunniqula at gmail.com> wrote:
> Huh, I had one of those 'I haven't posted to ArtisticAlley in awhile'
> moments when I received an email notification today--dude, note the
> timestamp jumps from 2004 to today:
>
> http://www.artisticalley.org/reviews/showthread.php?postid=395146#post395146
>
> Wow, I inspired... in a *positive* way, which is shocking.  My second
> thought was 'are you sure you have the right vid'? ;-)  If she does
> have the right vid, it was nice of her to post and it's good to see a
> new generation of vidders.  Good sentiment: "...There is a reason to
> create art, because it inspires."
>

That's so funny, because that section hasn't even had any new art
posted in pushing two years. Did you re-post it on the new
artisticalley vidding section, btw?


Heidi



From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 21:37:19 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:37:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
In-Reply-To: <5913e6f80609271326s763ea774od36d4cf28326e96c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1a2738400609271313v22334daaped976fe0e6f1a574@mail.gmail.com>
	 <5913e6f80609271326s763ea774od36d4cf28326e96c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609271437l68cf507fk3b112e5355dcb83d@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/27/06, Heidi <heidi8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's so funny, because that section hasn't even had any new art
> posted in pushing two years.

I know!  It's weird (but good) receiving comments on something that
old--relative timeframe to typical 'internet' works.


> Did you re-post it on the new
> artisticalley vidding section, btw?

Sorry, no, by the time the new section rolled out for business, I was
like 'the vid had its moment in time' and I was okay with it being
'retired' to the old section.

I periodically pop into the HP fandom to 'terrorize' it. ;-)  It was
interesting seeing some HP fans in the WB/CW network fandoms.  I ran
into a former Glassesreflect mod on a Smallville fic search list and
she was like 'long time no see, I remember you [unspoken: being the
loud mouth on-list]'. {g}  Somedays, I miss Glassesreflect but I don't
regret turning down the list owner's offer that I become a mod--I was
a handful onto myself, let alone moderating others. ;-)  Not everyday
you find a fan who could carry on a forensic discussion, involving
necrophilia with James Potter in reference to fanfic.  The science and
application to magic and death fascinated me...  And then a girl
banned me from her journal because I asked her 'why she doesn't like
Ron Weasley'.  Classic fan moments.

Currently, I'm following WB/CW's Supernatural ('spooky' with some dark
humour, X-Files like) or as another person phrased SPN, a "fandom
darling of the moment" because it's a 'shiney' fandom (Smallville was
like that until season four) and I'm seeing Harry/Draco writers pick
up Winchester incest slash (pretty much it's either incest or no
slash, so incest it is for slashers - plus, the actors aren't bad
looking).  At times, I see familiar HP fen names and it's sometimes
good to have that familiarity; sometimes, not so good because I was
notorious for speaking my honest thoughts, especially about fanfic.
;-)

Dina



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Sep 27 21:57:59 2006
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:57:59 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
References: <1a2738400609271313v22334daaped976fe0e6f1a574@mail.gmail.com> <5913e6f80609271326s763ea774od36d4cf28326e96c@mail.gmail.com> <1a2738400609271437l68cf507fk3b112e5355dcb83d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b601c6e27f$ff85f190$02fea8c0@Draco>

Dina wrote:

<I know! It's weird (but good) receiving comments on something that
old--relative timeframe to typical 'internet' works.>

*grumbles* Provided it's not on fanfiction that's 5+ years old telling you how to 'improve' when you've long moved past that style of writing.  (reason I took down most of my 8+ year old works, as they had a gary stu and despite being some of my best loved works, I was tired of people pointing it out.

Then again, I've mostly stopped writing (except two fanfiction and too many dark (and crappy) poems), so it's weird to recive any comments that arent' old. *grins*

-----
Saitaina

I don't even want to think about Microsoft venturing into the underwear business. God help us all-it'd give new meaning to the term reboot.

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 00:51:04 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:04 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
Message-ID: <1a2738400609271751x4eb63139y7e279a9f340645e0@mail.gmail.com>

Whazzup, girlfriend!

On 9/27/06, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> *grumbles* Provided it's not on fanfiction that's 5+ years old telling you
> how to 'improve' when you've long moved past that style of writing.

Ah, you got all my messages. ;-)  Joking.


> (reason
> I took down most of my 8+ year old works, as they had a gary stu and despite
> being some of my best loved works, I was tired of people pointing it out.

Harry Potter fiction or another fic-verse?  Weren't you working on
some original fiction?  Sorry to see you decided to pull your work, if
the work was loved.


> Then again, I've mostly stopped writing (except two fanfiction and too many
> dark (and crappy) poems), so it's weird to recive any comments that arent'
> old. *grins*

Quit showing your age. ;-)  The sad part is... I think I'm older than you.


Well, at least, I've moved back to 'molesting' 'age appropriate'
actors over on the WB/CW... Underage wizard pr0n or incestuous
stripper priests... decisions, decisions. {chuckle}

http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/152988.html?style=mine

I'm so bad about switching my default LJ icon--heck, for a long while,
I didn't know I could have more than three icons, so I've only had two
icons ever since I started LJ, but #20 with the Smallville and
Supernatural actors is such yummy eyecandy... I'm allowed six icons?
Maybe that and #17, a stripper!priest icon, and a J2 icon like the one
in the replies because Jared likes touching Jensen and platonic boy
love between them is so hawt.

Though, the irony is I'd probably still only use my default bunny icon
because I'd be like 'effort to switch icon = meh'. {g}  Tomorrow
night, SV & SPN season premiere night and my little bunny icon will be
out.  Superman versus SuperJew (as Rosenbaum dubbed himself) and a
Winchester going to hell.

And as a complete tangent, among the emails I received today, Charlene
sent this link:
The George W. Bush butt plug...
http://www.fleshbot.com/sex/sex-toys/sex-toy-of-the-week-george-bush-butt-plug-203631.php

And I also received an email today from Sierra Trading saying I get an
$8 refund check because I answered their free shipping riddle
correctly:
Mr. Smith's befreckled buddy was a dummy who had one sister; name her
and earn free express ground shipping on your entire order. (Heidi
Doody, Howdy Doody's sister)

Definitely some interesting emails today.

Dina



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 03:55:20 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:55:20 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efekft+fn9q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <effh38+aotq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tesha" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Tonks:
> > 
> > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> 
> 
> >Tesha:
> 
>   Is this you???
> 
> http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/h/harry_potter_phoenix_cast/tonks.jpg
>

Tonks:
Oh my God!! Tell me you are kidding. She looks like a whore! (From Les 
Mis.)  Say it isn't so. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?  Oh tell me this is a 
joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 04:03:20 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:03:20 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <EXCHANGE01I3k9iZc1J00001338@compdevsys.com>
Message-ID: <effhi8+jg14@eGroups.com>

> Michelle
> I can totally see her playing Tonks.  She has that look in her eye... 
> Michelle
> 

> > >Tesha:
> > Ha - or this!!
> 
> here she is
> 
> http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tena>
> .org/wiki/Natalia_Tena
> 
> 

Tonks:
Well if they just died her hair pink and left her looking like herself 
that would be OK. But... Gosh... I hope that first picture that you 
showed me wasn't her. I mean the first name is well.. rather 
suggestive..  but you know... she really isn't a... 

DON'T ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE IN HOLLYWOOD READ EVEN ONE OF THE BOOKS!!

Just call me Tonks!

Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 04:38:39 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:38:39 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efelg3+86o0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <effjkf+b8ts@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tesha" <Jan at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> > > Tonks:
> > 
> > > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > > 
> > 
> > >Tesha:
> 
> Here you are, really...
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1898&pos=2
>

Tonks:
OK. I get it. The first picture was her in another film. Thank 
Goodness!!!

And I see that she was born in 1984. Gosh she is young. I think that is 
the right age for Tonks, so I don't know what Steve is talking about. 
In the books I always thought that she was in her mid 20's because she 
had to go to Auror school after Hogwarts, which I think is 3 years or 
something.  

I don't like her clothes in the picture, makes her look older than she 
is. Doesn't she wear Weird Sister t-shirts and jeans in the books? And 
I want to see bubblegun colored hair. I always thought that her hair 
was short and kind of punky looking.

Tonks_op
recovering from the shock. Not nice to do that to an old lady!!






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 06:29:55 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:29:55 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <effjkf+b8ts@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <effq53+4k53@eGroups.com>

---  "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Tesha" <Jan@> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > > > Tonks:
> > > 
> > > > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > >Tesha:
> > 
> > Here you are, really...
> >  http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1898&pos=2
> >
> 
> Tonks:
> OK. I get it. The first picture was her in another 
> film. Thank Goodness!!!
> 
> And I see that she was born in 1984. Gosh she is young.
> I think that is the right age for Tonks, so I don't know
> what Steve is talking about. 
> ....
> 
> I don't like her clothes in the picture, makes her look 
> older than she is. ... I always thought that her hair 
> was short and kind of punky looking.
> 
> Tonks_op
> recovering from the shock. Not nice to do that to an 
> old lady!!
>

bboyminn:

I was basing my opinion on the MuggleNet photo linked to
above. The photo at Wikipedia, given in another part of 
this thread, does make her look closer to what I expected
Tonks to look like. But none the less, I stand by what
I said. I also expected Tonks to be something of a punk.
I picture her as thin, not quite so heavy in the chest,
and with a very quirky personality. The photo of 
Movie!Tonks has her looking entirely too mainstream cool. 

Now, I'm basing this on a very limited photo, she may, in
the end, be able to portray Tonks very nicely. Further we
don't really know how much screen time Tonk will get in the
movie. So, the casting is done and I guess I have to 
accept it. Far better to do that, and just let the movie
play out, rather than let myself get into an obsessive 
snit about it. 

I guess if I had to sum it up, I would say that my vision
of Tonk is quirky fringe sexy as opposed to the sense of
mainstream sexy I get from the photo.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn






From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Sep 28 06:42:54 2006
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:42:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
References: <1a2738400609271751x4eb63139y7e279a9f340645e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021d01c6e2c9$545ea330$02fea8c0@Draco>

Dina wrote:

<Ah, you got all my messages. ;-) Joking.>

I had a reply typed out but no need to have another mod yell at us for being rude to each other (remember that?)

<Harry Potter fiction or another fic-verse?>

The ones I removed? (Buffy the Vampire layer...er...slayer.)   Or the ones I still write? (Gravitation and Fruits Basket)

<Weren't you working on
some original fiction?>

Still am!  I just ran into a problem with the science...and the fact my two main characters don't want to speak to each other...and considering they're dating and alone through 3/4ths of the story kinda puts a kink in things.

<Quit showing your age. ;-) The sad part is... I think I'm older than you.>

You are older than me. *sticks out tounge*  According to mummy I'm only five!  (ignore the two decades since that's been my actual age).

<Well, at least, I've moved back to 'molesting' 'age appropriate'
actors>

I haven't!  I still live in the Bad Place and enjoy it!  Then again, I haven't stoped 'molesting' fictional under age characters either so it's just bad all around.

< Underage wizard pr0n or incestuous
stripper priests>

...okay I think your choices are worse then mine.  Underage characters in a manga or legal in a country I don't reside in characters in a video game (I need to stop playing Legend of Zelda).

<heck, for a long while,
I didn't know I could have more than three icons>

I pay highly to have 108 lj icons...and now with my new layout I can't even use one for a default (and you can't see them unless you comment/view comments).  And I really need to stop making them.  I made waaayyy too many in the past few weeks.

<The George W. Bush butt plug...>

EWWWW!  BAD THOUGHTS!  I must now read bad p0rn to rid myself of it!

*shudders* ew

-----
Saitaina

I don't even want to think about Microsoft venturing into the underwear business. God help us all-it'd give new meaning to the term reboot.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

If life hands you lemons, you should make lemonaide...and then try to find someone whose life has handed them vodka.



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 09:36:08 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:36:08 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Surprise message from ArtisticAlley RE: *old* HP vid
In-Reply-To: <021d01c6e2c9$545ea330$02fea8c0@Draco>
References: <1a2738400609271751x4eb63139y7e279a9f340645e0@mail.gmail.com>
	 <021d01c6e2c9$545ea330$02fea8c0@Draco>
Message-ID: <1a2738400609280236x49618161xc3f5066e9a4c15a0@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/28/06, Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> I had a reply typed out but no need to have another mod yell at us for being
> rude to each other (remember that?)

LOL!  We were dissing each other, yeah. {g}  I kinda felt bad about
that misunderstanding with the list mod.


> The ones I removed? (Buffy the Vampire layer...er...slayer.)   Or the ones I
> still write? (Gravitation and Fruits Basket)

I think I never got into the Buffy series because I didn't want a
fandom with teen angst since I had enough of my own at the time... So,
I got into the HP fandom for *tween* angst. {chuckle}  Though, the
Buffy series had some hot chicks kickin' ass.  Out of curiosity, why
is the anime/manga called Fruits Basket?  Other than subtle gay
references. {g}


> Still am!  I just ran into a problem with the science...and the fact my two
> main characters don't want to speak to each other...and considering they're
> dating and alone through 3/4ths of the story kinda puts a kink in things.

Yeah, that is kinda problematic. ;-)  I suppose locking them up in a
cell together with some lube would be a *bit* too obvious?


> You are older than me. *sticks out tounge*  According to mummy I'm only
> five!  (ignore the two decades since that's been my actual age).

{chuckle}  Young whippersnapper, you nearly mowed me down.


> I haven't!  I still live in the Bad Place and enjoy it!  Then again, I
> haven't stoped 'molesting' fictional under age characters either so it's
> just bad all around.

:-)  Australia put a crink in appreciating online fics that resided in
the Bad Place.  I've moved into Special Hell.  Whereas the previous
batch of SPN icons were done by a Sirius/Remus 'shipper, these are for
the Special Hell Pride brigade:
http://graphixbyebonio.livejournal.com/64211.html


> < Underage wizard pr0n or incestuous
> stripper priests>
>
> ...okay I think your choices are worse then mine.

:-p  My fandom speaks Latin, carries Holy water... and says
sonofabitch a lot... seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T33UnGcxw4  With the Exocist reference
in S1, S2 ironically has Linda Blair as a guest star.

Though, my current favorite SPN vid is Barkley's vid, Laid:
http://barkley.livejournal.com/409886.html

Best use of the burning lady on the ceiling scene, evah!  Cut to the
lyric 'she only comes when she's on top'.  LOL!  And Barkley's
response to allegations of Wincest: "This is not Wincest! They just
have a very codependent relationship." {chuckle}

Ah, Warner Bros, bring on the slash!  And they do the HP movies... no
wonder I got into HP slash after only seeing the HP movies at first.


> Underage characters in a
> manga or legal in a country I don't reside in

Most anime/manga character look underage.  I should ask for the
'manga' makeover technique to take off those years and make me look
like jailbate.


> characters in a video game (I
> need to stop playing Legend of Zelda).

Reminded me of my fondness for Drawn Together and the spoof they did
of Brokeback Mountain with Captain Hero and Xander. {g}  Anime
characters are so ghey... which reminds me, Michael Rosenbaum is doing
the voice of Tanthalas 'Tanis' Half-Elven in Dragonlance.  Heh, the
name alone cracks me up.


> I pay highly to have 108 lj icons...and now with my new layout I can't even
> use one for a default (and you can't see them unless you comment/view
> comments).  And I really need to stop making them.  I made waaayyy too many
> in the past few weeks.

'Tis ironic to see folk use LJ layouts where the icons only pop up in
individual entries, after they pay for more icons.  And over a hundred
LJ icons?!  Have you actually used all of them at one point?  I
remember Nimori complaining about paying for a permanent account and
then LJ gave the option for those icon packs.


> EWWWW!  BAD THOUGHTS!  I must now read bad p0rn to rid myself of it!
>
> *shudders* ew

Hehe. :-)  One of the comments reference Dubya toys for pussy... cats
to mutilate.

Dina



From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 11:27:23 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:27:23 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <efdrp3+s3pg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efgbir+jum1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Luckdragon" 
<luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>
> Luckdragon:
> The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics of the 
actress 
> who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does not look anything like I 
> imagined Umbridge to look. The director/wardrobe people(whoever) 
have 
> made her look like a Margaret Thatcher/ Princess Margaret look-a-
like. 
> Instead of the frumpy thick cottagewear I imagined she is dressed 
in 
> elegant dress and perfectly matching shoes with a matching shawl. 
Her 
> hair is perfectly coiffed(sp?). Is anyone else disappointed with 
this 
> portrayal. Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
hate?
>

maria8162001:

I am disappointed too. She doesn't look like the person she's 
supposed to play, this umbridge doesn't have the look of a mean and 
vicious witch who's supposed to do cruel things to students 
especially to Harry. She's not squat and doesn't look like a toad at 
all as described in the book. This Umbridge is pretty goodlooking 
compared to the Umbridge we pictured/imaggined on the book. They 
could make filch really look like Filch in the book so they should 
make Umbridge look like the Umbridge in the book as well. Very 
disappointing indeed.







From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 28 12:22:16 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:22:16 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <effjkf+b8ts@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efgepo+9e10@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tesha" <Jan@> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > > > Tonks:
> > > 
> > > > Does anyone have a link to my picture??
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > >Tesha:
> > 
> > Here you are, really...
> > 
> > http://www.mugglenet.com/gallery/displayimage.php?
album=1898&pos=2
> >
> 
> Tonks:
> OK. I get it. The first picture was her in another film. Thank 
> Goodness!!!
> 
> And I see that she was born in 1984. Gosh she is young. I think 
that is 
> the right age for Tonks, so I don't know what Steve is talking 
about. 
> In the books I always thought that she was in her mid 20's because 
she 
> had to go to Auror school after Hogwarts, which I think is 3 years 
or 
> something.  
> 
> I don't like her clothes in the picture, makes her look older than 
she 
> is. Doesn't she wear Weird Sister t-shirts and jeans in the books? 
And 
> I want to see bubblegun colored hair. I always thought that her 
hair 
> was short and kind of punky looking.
> 
> Tonks_op
> recovering from the shock. Not nice to do that to an old lady!!
>

maria8162001:

Lol :-), you're so funny Tonks. Why, are you really an old lady? 
I've been reading all your posts both here and in the HP4U. I was 
thinking you're in the twenties :-).







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 16:12:46 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:12:46 -0400
Subject: Dude, where's my car? RE: SPN's Metallicar lives
Message-ID: <1a2738400609280912s32811f24l920d7888178e9fdb@mail.gmail.com>

Saw this article and it amused me because I was concerned about the car. {g}

>From http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/peterson/20060928-9999-lz1c28karla.html
:
[[
"The show lives, first and foremost, in the relationship between the
two brothers," Kripke said. "We have always said that this isn't a
show about monsters; this is a show about family. We just feel there
is an endless wellspring of stories about these two guys and their
fights, their rivalries, their loves, their loyalties."
]]

Ah, even though they're bringing in actresses from Buffy and Veronica
Mars, it's good to know the Winchester brothers will be "bro's before
ho's".

[[
Of course, there is also a matter of their car. A vintage black 1967
Chevy Impala with ominously creaky doors, the Winchesters' car has
become so popular with viewers, it has a nickname ("Metallicar," in
honor of the Winchesters' love of heavy metal and mullet rock) and its
own category on the Web's Television Without Pity "Supernatural"
forum.

The last time we saw the Impala, it had just been smashed by the demon
trucker. And while there are still plenty of reasons to worry about
the new season of "Supernatural," the fate of Metallicar is not one of
them.

"Hilariously enough, that has been the No. 1 question about the show,"
the boyish Kripke said with a grin. "People seem to be moderately
concerned about whether the Winchesters will live or die, but they
really want to know whether the Impala will be back. And I can say,
I'm a bigger fan of the Impala than anybody, and I would never let
anything happen to that car."
]]

The Metallicar is spiffy looking (very well-maintained) and goes
zoom-zoom like the good, gas guzzling, American muscle car that it is.

I'm also amused by the blunt series summary this journalist provides:
[[
Padalecki and Ackles play Sam and Dean Winchester, who have followed
their elusive father into the paranormal business. Last year,
sensitive younger brother Sam and his wisecracking older brother were
on the trail of the demon that turned their mother into a human
fireball, then came back 20 years later to roast Sam's girlfriend.

In the season finale, the demon showed up in Daddy Winchester's body.
After the boys chased it out with an exorcism, the unstoppable spirit
procured a semi-truck, which it promptly drove into the Winchesters'
beloved Chevy Impala. With all three Winchesters in it.
]]

If ya gotta do a cliffhanger, then placing all your main characters
[and their car] in front of a semi to be crushed will certainly work.
{g}

Dina



From bumbledor at comcast.net  Thu Sep 28 15:33:55 2006
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:33:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge
References: <efgbir+jum1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c6e313$82c37850$6401a8c0@bumbledor>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maria Vaerewyck" <maria8162001 at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Luckdragon" 
> <luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>>
>> Luckdragon:
>> The mugglenet website has some very dissapointing pics of the 
> actress 
>> who plays Umbridge, in costume. She does not look anything like I 
>> imagined Umbridge to look. The director/wardrobe people(whoever) 
> have 
>> made her look like a Margaret Thatcher/ Princess Margaret look-a-
> like. 
>> Instead of the frumpy thick cottagewear I imagined she is dressed 
> in 
>> elegant dress and perfectly matching shoes with a matching shawl. 
> Her 
>> hair is perfectly coiffed(sp?). Is anyone else disappointed with 
> this 
>> portrayal. Where is the frumpy toadlike character we all love to 
> hate?
>>
> 
> maria8162001:
> 
> I am disappointed too. She doesn't look like the person she's 
> supposed to play, this umbridge doesn't have the look of a mean and 
> vicious witch who's supposed to do cruel things to students 
> especially to Harry. She's not squat and doesn't look like a toad at 
> all as described in the book. This Umbridge is pretty goodlooking 
> compared to the Umbridge we pictured/imaggined on the book. They 
> could make filch really look like Filch in the book so they should 
> make Umbridge look like the Umbridge in the book as well. Very 
> disappointing indeed.
> 
> 

I've shown the pics to several friends who all said the same thing.
She looks NOTHING like what I would expect her to look like..

My gowd, she looks like sandra day o'conner, the ex-supreme court judge.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 01:25:09 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:25:09 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efgepo+9e10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efhsll+kkap@eGroups.com>

> maria8162001:
> 
> Lol :-), you're so funny Tonks. Why, are you really an old lady? 
> I've been reading all your posts both here and in the HP4U. I was 
> thinking you're in the twenties :-).


Tonks:
I love you!!!  I like to think that I am that age! Lets just say that I 
am having a 'pre-crisis birthday' year. (I really am. My last year 
before the end.) I don't even want to say the age that I will be next 
year. By then I will have to do my first renewal of AARP. I will let 
you figure that out, if you know anything about them and how they sign 
you up for the first time. 

Ah.. just love you!!! ;-)

Tonks_op







From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 03:35:21 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:35:21 -0000
Subject: OT - funny true story
Message-ID: <efi49p+he9i@eGroups.com>

I was walking out of my office and there was a man standing near the 
parking lot talking on his cell phone. He had the cutest little dog on 
a leash. The doggy came over to me and jumping around.  I petted it 
saying "oh you are so cute, you are a real darling, ah.. you are just a 
little sweetheart"
   then as I was walking to my car I heard him 
breaking a lunch date on the phone.  Hope it wasn't with his wife!!!  
I just laughed all the way down the road. 

;-)

Tonks_op







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Sep 29 03:39:12 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:39:12 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
Message-ID: <4c4.91fb66f.324def60@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/28/06 9:31:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tonks_op at yahoo.com writes:


> I love you!!! I like to think that I am that age! Lets just say that I 
> am having a 'pre-crisis birthday' year. (I really am. My last year 
> before the end.) I don't even want to say the age that I will be next 
> year. By then I will have to do my first renewal of AARP. I will let 
> you figure that out, if you know anything about them and how they sign 
> you up for the first time. 
> 
> Ah.. just love you!!! ;-)
> 
> Tonks_op
> 
> 

Sandy:
I was pretty sure you and I were about the same age. I will be 58 next month. 
I am looking forward to turning 60, but only because I am retiring. They say 
your age is just a number. My mind is willing to go along with that, but my 
body -- not so much.

Sandy


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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 10:00:58 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:00:58 -0000
Subject: movie pics of Umbridge & Tonks
In-Reply-To: <efhsll+kkap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efiqsq+bkm3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> > maria8162001:
> > 
> > Lol :-), you're so funny Tonks. Why, are you really an old lady? 
> > I've been reading all your posts both here and in the HP4U. I 
was 
> > thinking you're in the twenties :-).
> 
> 
> Tonks:
> I love you!!!  I like to think that I am that age! Lets just say 
that I 
> am having a 'pre-crisis birthday' year. (I really am. My last year 
> before the end.) I don't even want to say the age that I will be 
next 
> year. By then I will have to do my first renewal of AARP. I will 
let 
> you figure that out, if you know anything about them and how they 
sign 
> you up for the first time. 
> 
> Ah.. just love you!!! ;-)
> 
> Tonks_op
>

maria8162001:

Oh that age, my favorite age, but your age doesn't reflect on your 
posts. I love  reading all your posts, they are funny to me, they 
put smile on my face and sometimes make me laugh hard. You have a 
great sense of humor, you know, that's why I was thinking your'e in 
the twenties :-). Gee, I would love to have your sense of humor. 
Keep them coming on your posts, will you? I'm just 10 years younger 
than you, btw, but I'm too serious according to my family, that's 
the reason I guess I love reading your posts.






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 17:31:31 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:31:31 -0000
Subject: I Love You Harry Potter - song
Message-ID: <efjl9j+6iej@eGroups.com>

Thanks to Hans here is a link to a new Pop Singing group in the U.K.

They are ages 2,4 and 6.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1178272194

Love it!!

Tonks_op






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 29 17:47:50 2006
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:47:50 -0000
Subject: I Love You Harry Potter - song
Message-ID: <efjm86+m20b@eGroups.com>

Here are the words:

"I Love You Harry Potter" by the Querubim (from the UK)

You caught my eye with your mystic smile
and oh how I hoped that you'd stay for a while
I caught my breath when I felt you fly
into my heart from way up in the sky

Oh Harry! Harry Potter,
With your friends, Ginny, Ron and Hermione,
I love you Harry Potter,
You've put your spell on me!

Poor orphan boy, you bear a scar
Given by the dark Lord from time afar,
But I just sit and dream for hours
'Cause I'm entranced by your magical powers.

Oh Harry! Harry Potter,
With your friends, Ginny, Ron and Hermione,
I love you Harry Potter,
You've put your spell on me!

You've learned how to break every natural law
>From that wise old wizard Dumbledore:
And Lord Voldemort must capitulate
Now you've learned how to apparate.

Oh Harry, you're my hero ?
The Pride of Gryffindor ?
I knew from the start,
I'd give you my heart,
You make me want to know you more and more.

Harry! Harry Potter,
With your friends, Ginny, Ron and Hermione,
I love you Harry Potter,
You've put your spell on me!

Oh Harry! Harry Potter,
With your friends, Ginny, Ron and Hermione,
I love you Harry Potter,
You've put your spell on me!


And the link again: You might have to cut and paste it into the 
browser. 

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1178272194

Tonks_op







From saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 00:03:57 2006
From: saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com (saraquel_omphale)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:03:57 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
Message-ID: <efkc9d+g01f@eGroups.com>

Hi
Am I the first to find the door open?  I thought I'd find avid 
discusison already.  I'm in Aus, and if she put it up at midnight in 
England then it is the middle of the night for most of you.  So no 
help solving the puzzle yet.  I'll just have to get on with it on my 
own.  Watch this space!

Saraquel







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 00:34:40 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:34:40 -0000
Subject: Belated Birthdays for the second half of September!
Message-ID: <efke30+fji3@eGroups.com>

*scurries about hanging streamers and blowing up balloons, eyeing the 
crowd gathered at the door*

Yes, I have figured out I'm doing this a bit backwards. If RL is 
going to keep me so busy that I'm doing a couple weeks of birthday 
greetings at time, I should be doing them *before* the birthdays 
arrive, not after! Silly Birthday Elf. :D

Let me just settle you all down with some nice snacks while I update 
you on who celebrated this month.

*hands around trays of nibblies and fills all the glasses*

Birthday honourees for the second half of September have been: Rynne 
(Sept 16), KathyK (Sept 19), Suzanne (also Sept 19), Melissa McCarthy 
(Sept 23), Dumbledad and Holly Simpson aka Hollydaze (both on Sept 
27) and today's honouree, the lovely Kirstini. Birthday owls, belated 
or otherwise, can be sent care of this list or directly to their 
intended recipients at the following addresses: Rynne - 
rynnewrites at gmail.com, KathyK - zanelupin at gmail.com, Suzanne - 
penhaglion at gmail.com, Melissa - melissa.risako at gmail.com, Dumbledad - 
dumbledad at gmail.com, Holly - has103 at soton.ac.uk and Kirstin - 
kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk

I hope everyone had a magical day, filled with joy, happiness and 
lots of HP goodness.

Happy Birthday, Rynne!
Happy Birthday, KathyK!
Happy Birthday, Suzanne!
Happy Birthday, Melissa!
Happy Birthday, Dumbledad!
Happy Birthday, Holly!
Happy Birthday, Kirstin!

What? No, I didn't forget. Heaven forbid! What would a birthday party 
be without cake!

*disapparates and returns with 7 teeny, tiny cupcakes*

No, I'm kidding!

*pulls out the massive cakes she's been hiding and starting slicing 
and handing cake around to everyone*

I'm not crazy, you know, to think I'd get away without serving enough 
cake to keep you all happy! :D

Sheryll the Birthday Elf







From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 30 00:32:17 2006
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:32:17 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efkc9d+g01f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efkduh+pafe@eGroups.com>

Saraquel wrote:

<<Am I the first to find the door open?  I thought I'd find avid 
discusison already.>>  

I, too, was surprised at the lack of discussion - I looked here 
earlier in my desperation to find out how get the key to open the 
drawer properly (if anyone else is stuck, there's a screenshot on 
Mugglenet that shows the correct positioning of the key).

I know the intro said we would need to make "intelligent guesses," but 
on most of the questions, I was at a loss as to how to even take a 
stab at guessing.

~Phyllis







From saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 01:07:11 2006
From: saraquel_omphale at yahoo.com (saraquel_omphale)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:07:11 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efkduh+pafe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com>

"Phyllis" <poppytheelf at ...> wrote:
> 
> I, too, was surprised at the lack of discussion - >

Saraquel:
Thanks for that Phyllis, for a moment I thought that I'd made a 
gaff, and that the door had been open for a week and I'd missed the 
discussion.  Quite possible, as I only drop into her site now and 
again, and missed the first test altogether.

> I know the intro said we would need to make "intelligent guesses," 
but 
> on most of the questions, I was at a loss as to how to even take a 
> stab at guessing.

For me the trickiest one was about what muggle invention had not 
been fully duplicated by magic.

I thought television, computer and telephone all rated as possibles. 
I think I ended up chosing computer, but now I think maybe 
television has the edge.

I didn't make a list of the questions and my answers - no doubt, 
there will be something on Mugglenet before long.

Hmmm, so can a house-elf be ordered to kill itself, or does it owe 
allegience to the house - not the members.  I assumed it owed 
allegiance to the members, but now I think of it, Kreacher ignored 
Tonks - so maybe I'm relieved to find that house-elves can't be 
ordered to kill themselves, even if that does mean I've got the 
question wrong.

and other thoughts .... but I really must do something about the 
pile of washing up, before my partner gets back with the shopping!

Saraquel






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 01:07:26 2006
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:07:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efkduh+pafe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060930010727.36378.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com>

SPOILER (?)
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  Something to do with lucky charms?

Phyllis <poppytheelf at hotmail.com> wrote:
          Saraquel wrote:

<<Am I the first to find the door open? I thought I'd find avid 
discusison already.>> 

I, too, was surprised at the lack of discussion - I looked here 
earlier in my desperation to find out how get the key to open the 
drawer properly (if anyone else is stuck, there's a screenshot on 
Mugglenet that shows the correct positioning of the key).

I know the intro said we would need to make "intelligent guesses," but 
on most of the questions, I was at a loss as to how to even take a 
stab at guessing.

~Phyllis



         

 		
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From poppytheelf at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 30 02:57:15 2006
From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:57:15 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efkmeb+qoki@eGroups.com>

Saraquel:

<<Thanks for that Phyllis, for a moment I thought that I'd made a 
gaff, and that the door had been open for a week and I'd missed the 
discussion.>>

The door just opened today (according to The Leaky Cauldron, which 
is my source of HP information).

Saraquel:

> For me the trickiest one was about what muggle invention had not 
> been fully duplicated by magic.

I chose computer, but I thought it was a close call between computer 
and television.  In the end, I thought a computer was more complex 
and there doesn't seem to be anything like the Internet in the 
Wizarding World.

The one about the percentage of wizards who would (or wouldn't, 
can't remember) want weather control, the one about muggle born 
wizards and the one about the reforms on the Wizangamot all threw me.

Saraquel:

<<Hmmm, so can a house-elf be ordered to kill itself, or does it owe 
allegience to the house - not the members.>>

I figured that since a house-elf is basically a slave, it could be 
ordered to kill itself, so I chose one of the other answers (can't 
remember which one now).  But I hope I was wrong!

~Phyllis







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Sat Sep 30 04:37:43 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:37:43 -0400
Subject: Supernatural and Oz, 'anti-heroes and lawyers' (spoilers for SPN)
Message-ID: <1a2738400609292137r536f978cs3029d41330d2d439@mail.gmail.com>

While appreciating the J2 eye candy {g}, I encountered another Oz fan
into SPN at http://community.livejournal.com/dean_sam/156979.html?thread=2459955
and it made me reflect how there were *some* similarities between the
series.

To give spoiler space, even if I only lightly touch on the S2
premiere, I'll comment on one of my favorite past series, HBO's Oz, a
*graphic* prison drama.  As a slasher, I was immediately drawn to the
dynamics between the Oz characters of Chris Keller (actor Chris Meloni
on L&O:SVU) and Tobias Beecher (actor Lee Tergesen).

As I said on dean_sam at LJ, Chris Keller is an interesting and complex
character.  At one point, he was described as an 'anti-hero'.  I could
blather about how I define 'anti-hero' but Wiki has a more direct
definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero :
"...An anti-hero is a protagonist that lives by the guidance of their
own moral compass, striving to define and construe their own values as
opposed to those recognized by the society in which they live.
Additionally, the work may depict how their character alters over
time, either leading to punishment, un-heroic success, or redemption."

Keller is an alleged serial killer of gay men, though the crimes
couldn't be sufficiently pinned on him but the implications and
accusations were there.  In a secluded room, Keller even says at one
point, 'I think I killed those men because I wanted to kill the part
of me I despised' while he was getting a blowjob from another inmate,
Ronnie Barlog, and after he climaxed, he snapped Barlog's neck, a
former 'friend' but a liability since Barlog could be considered a
'witness' to those past murders.  With such violence towards
homosexuality, Keller still remained strongly tied to Beecher
throughout the series but redirected his extreme emotions to what he
perceived as 'love'.

Keller was willing to kill for Beecher and eventually die for him.
When Toby said he couldn't continue loving Chris, Keller commits
suicide in front of Beecher, but not before killing Toby's tormentor,
Vern Schillinger, and many of Schillinger's Aryan Brotherhood
followers.  This would be the last but not the first act where he
tried to protect Toby, though, he had also both physically (e.g.
deliberately breaking both of Beecher's arms, for starters) and
emotionally hurt Beecher as well.  It's no wonder Soap Opera Digest
had an article on the ups&downs of this relationship--I'm not joking,
*somewhere*, I have a copy of this edition of SOD, which the acronym
alone should make Oz sodomy moments appropriate for this periodical.

It's also ironic Tobias Beecher is a litigation lawyer, imprisoned on
DUI vehicular manslaughter (i.e. drove intoxicated and hit and killed
a young girl), and you see how his character's sense of morals
'de-evolves' the longer he's in prison... to survive.  Keller seduces
him and they have one of the most dysfunctional relationships, *evah*,
compounded by proximity of criminals while they're stuck in prison.
It's in this 'microcosm of society' they learn to make their own
rules.  And speaking of making their own rules...

Supernatural also has an interesting dynamic between the Winchester
brothers, Dean and Sam.  From the earliest moments of John Winchester
telling his son, Dean (age ~4), to carry Sam (~6 month old infant) out
of their burning house that would consume Mary Winchester, you have
the basic family dynamic that would continue: Dean following his
father's orders and Dean feeling responsible for Sam.  Another
flashback would show the same pattern of John telling Dean to watch
'little Sammy' while he would hunt for the supernatural.  Then, in
last night's season premiere, this aspect is once again brought up.
While Dean may be viewed as a 'binding' element of the Winchester
family, he's also dependent on his father and brother to give him... a
sort of sense of purpose in life.  It's understandable considering
that was how he grew up, and it's admirable he has a strong sense of
responsibility for his family but I also view this as presenting a
co-dependency dilemma.

While hunting for 'evil', the Winchesters live a nomadic life and only
have each other as a constant.  Since hunting the supernatural goes
*way* out of normal legal jurisdiction, they acclimate themselves over
time to making their own rules and breaking society's rules (e.g.
weapons and credit/identity fraud) for the sake of 'hunting evil,
saving people'.  As a result, the Winchesters also fit within the
description of 'anti-hero'.  They have their own sense of morals but
achieve it through means they deem suitable, which may not always
match society's rules.

Under this type of lifestyle, Sam would grow and it's ironic, when Sam
decides to leave his family for college at Stanford, he chooses to
study law.  What Sam thinks he wants is a normal life where normal is
defined as 'safe'.  The irony isn't necessarily Sam choosing a career
dependent on society's laws; the irony could be perceived that Sam is
acquainted with how ineffectual, and therefore, 'unsafe' following the
law can be at times.  Touching back on Beecher 'shedding' the
trappings of society's boundaries for survival, Dean may have come
back into Sam's life because their father went missing, but Sam was
willing to return to college, until events would shred the bindings to
a normal life.

One aspect of losing this 'normalcy' was Toby's wife, Gen, dying, and
to parallel, Sam's girlfriend, Jess, dying.  Though, Jess's death was
quite... *spectacular* as she goes up in flames while pinned to the
ceiling and over the bed she shared with Sam, which shares the
parallel to Sam's mother, Mary, dying while pinned to the ceiling over
Sam's crib as a burst of flames consumed her body because of a demon
having plans for Sam.  Hm, it's no wonder Sam developed some issues
over forming longterm relationships with gals. {g}

So, let's bring in the 'seducer', Chris Keller... no, wait,
Supernatural... Dean Winchester.  Seduction isn't always about
sexuality; it can be about desires for intangible and tangible things.
 In Sam's case, he wants 'safety', and when he realizes normal isn't
always safe from the supernatural, he falls back on Dean, who still
remains on some level as Sam's 'guardian', and the arsenal of
'weapons' Dean stocks the Impala.  Under the guise of their seeking
revenge against the demon who killed their mother and his girlfriend
and to prevent others from being killed by the supernatural... all the
while trying to locate their father (multi-tasking, indeed ;-) ), it's
possible Sam may find a sense of 'safety' with his brother.

Also being a Wincest slasher, it's possible to redefine 'safety' as a
feeling of comfort, of completeness, of... love and love is perceived
in a variety of 'flavours'.  After seeing how obsessive Keller was
over Beecher, I then see Dean willing to kill and place his life in
danger's way for Sam.  Strong bond between these brothers and it
becomes more apparent in SPN's S2 premiere, In My Time of Dying.  Once
again, you see the *desperation* Sam has for not losing Dean to death
versus S1's finale, Devil's Trap, where Sam is holding the Colt gun to
their father.

In the finale, I thought there was a very good chance Sam would've
killed John, even though John demanded/begged Sam to kill him while he
still possessed the demon inside, if it wasn't for Dean *pleading* for
Sam not to kill their father... all while he's bleeding to death
(Winchesters: better than Windows at multi-tasking - though, a Target
plastic bag is probably better than Windows as well... the bags even
list multiple uses for them, including pet 'pooper scooper',
seriously).  Though, it is interesting to note Dean, who usually obeys
his father, went against John's request, his *order*, but Dean still
remains in family protector mode.

With some similar parallels to Oz and a strong co-dependency/bonds
between Dean and Sam, the progression of taking this relationship of
brotherhood to the level of lovers doesn't seem so far-fetched, IMHO,
once you take away *society* classifying incest as wrong, a taboo.

Awesome season premiere! :-D  With the Ghost refererence to Dean
saying he "Swayze'd" a cup, does that make Sam as Whoopi or Demi? ;-p

Dina



From o_secca at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 30 06:24:05 2006
From: o_secca at sbcglobal.net (secca_pk)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 06:24:05 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!
In-Reply-To: <efkc9d+g01f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <efl2i5+prjb@eGroups.com>

<saraquel_omphale at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Am I the first to find the door open?  I thought I'd find avid 
> discusison already.  I'm in Aus, and if she put it up at midnight in 
> England then it is the middle of the night for most of you.  So no 
> help solving the puzzle yet.  I'll just have to get on with it on my 
> own.  Watch this space!
> 
> Saraquel
>

I think you are the first... and as someone who missed the last WOMBAT

(SHAME!!!) Let me just say...

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

Secca from PottersKeys.com






From phil at pcsgames.net  Sat Sep 30 17:52:09 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:52:09 -0400
Subject: Possible title of book seven?
References: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c6e4b9$35fec6d0$6600a8c0@phil>

Jo said,
"I am currently trying to decide between two possible titles. I was quite happy with one of them until the other one struck me while I was taking a shower
in New York. They would both be appropriate, so I think I'll have to wait until I'm further into the book to decide which one works best."
Struck her in the shower?
Is that a clue?
How about 
Harry Potter and the Frog Spawn Soap.




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From phil at pcsgames.net  Sat Sep 30 17:48:44 2006
From: phil at pcsgames.net (Phil Vlasak)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Open door on JKRs website!
References: <efkfvv+fhqb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c6e4b9$35cae590$6600a8c0@phil>

Hi Folks,
It looks like neither the accessible or the text only version of JKR's web site has the WOMBAT test.
In the accessible version I was able to click the door but it did not open to a new page.
Phil who wishes someone posted the questions at least.


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From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 30 12:04:34 2006
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:04:34 -0000
Subject: Open door on JKRs website!/ WOMBAT Test Part 2
In-Reply-To: <efkc9d+g01f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eflmgi+m44l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "saraquel_omphale" 
<saraquel_omphale at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Am I the first to find the door open?  I thought I'd find avid 
> discusison already.  I'm in Aus, and if she put it up at midnight in 
> England then it is the middle of the night for most of you.  So no 
> help solving the puzzle yet.  I'll just have to get on with it on my 
> own.  Watch this space!
> 
> Saraquel
>
maria8162001:

Hi Raquel, I live in Belgium and we are an hour ahead in UK but JKR 
always update her site the same day it is here in my country. I open 
the door yester afternoon when I went to her site and you can already 
take the second Part of the WOMBAT test. All you have to do is click 
the eraser on her site to go to the door, then open it  and once 
inside you have to light the candle, then click the quill and it will 
move to the ink, then click the WOMBAT test paper and it will rustle 
and close then click the 4 leaf clover which will turn into a key, 
then drag it to the drawer and once the drawer opens the WOMBAT test 
paper 2 will appear. And lastly click the time turner and your test 
will start. Keep on trying with the key to insert i to the drawer it 
took me a few seconds to open it. Good luck, though.







From foodiedb at optonline.net  Sat Sep 30 19:53:09 2006
From: foodiedb at optonline.net (David)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:53:09 -0000
Subject: cast members axed?
Message-ID: <efmhv5+tslo@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
 I just came across this article stating that the actress that plays 
Prof. Sprout,  Ron's mom, and the actor that plays Harry's uncle 
have been fired.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Is it even 
true?  Is it just the actors were fired, or are those characters 
being written out of the movies?  
David

Members Of Harry Potter Cast Are Axed!
But why?... 
 Email Article    Print Article from entertainmentwise.com
 
By: Lowri Williams on 9/29/2006
 
 British actress Miriam Margoyles is devastated at being axed from 
any future Harry Potter films and is calling for all fans of the 
franchise to take a stand.

Margoyles played Professor Sprout in the films and she is not the 
only household named to be axed from the films for no reason; 
unbelievably Julie Walters who plays Mrs Weasley and Richard 
Griffiths who plays Harry's horrible uncle have also been axed.

According to ContactMusic, Margoyles said: "I'd love to be in 
another film but they just haven't asked me. I think it's a shame 
but the prospects of me doing another one now are remote.

"Please do campaign on my behalf though."