From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb  1 13:00:16 2007
From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Luckdragon)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:00:16 -0000
Subject: Release date announced!
Message-ID: <epso90+qe54@eGroups.com>

WooHoo! July 21st 2007! 




From Aixoise at snet.net  Thu Feb  1 13:05:48 2007
From: Aixoise at snet.net (Stacey Nunes-Ranchy)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:05:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release date announced!
In-Reply-To: <epso90+qe54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <09f801c74601$b1a8cd90$66fea8c0@outlooksoft.com>

Wow.I really thought this was a hoax but just confirmed it on Scholastic's
website.  I'm completely surprised!  So much for the 7th or the 31st!

 

Stacey

 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Luckdragon
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:00 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release date announced!

 

WooHoo! July 21st 2007! 

 



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From sbejster at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 14:14:26 2007
From: sbejster at yahoo.com (Sandra Bejster)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:14:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Release date announced!
In-Reply-To: <1170338137.1238.77916.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <879810.35535.qm@web37204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

YEA!  Thanks!  It's on my calendar and I can now work my entire Summer plans around that date. :-)


Sandra



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From chnc1024 at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb  1 14:28:29 2007
From: chnc1024 at bellsouth.net (Chancie)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:28:29 -0600
Subject: WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date
References: <epsopg+4pv7@eGroups.com> <009001c7460b$81fb1990$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000a01c7460d$3ea1aa90$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>



  Chancie: 

  Also thought it was odd that she simply placed it in the "news"

  and didn't even mention it in the "diary". Could this be the 

  "Pillar of Storge" all over again?


  ********************************************************

  Chancie again:

  Nevermind, I just saw where Schoolastic confirmed the date,

  but still I wonder why she just threw it out there?  Hopefully

  she'll update more soon; I'd really love to see a new FAQ!



  . 
   

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From entropymail at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 14:45:31 2007
From: entropymail at yahoo.com (entropymail)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:45:31 -0000
Subject: Release date announced!
In-Reply-To: <epso90+qe54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <epsueb+59p1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Luckdragon"
<luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>
> WooHoo! July 21st 2007!
>

Yippee! I've already pre-ordered from Barnes and Noble!

:: Entropy ::
Visit my Etsy shop at www.SugarcubeDesign.etsy.com




From xcpublishing at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 15:40:18 2007
From: xcpublishing at yahoo.com (Cheryl)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:40:18 -0000
Subject: Need quick help!
In-Reply-To: <epn6s4+o3al@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ept1l2+5u5j@eGroups.com>

I need help from those of you who have the books pretty much 
memorized!  I'm writing my own version of the 7th book (200 pages and 
counting, YAY ME!) and I need to know if Draco knows about the 
Marauder's Map.  I'm leaning toward NOT, but I don't want to spend ten 
hours researching it.

Thanks in advance!
Cheryl






From cdayr at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 15:56:41 2007
From: cdayr at yahoo.com (cdayr)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:56:41 -0000
Subject: WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7460d$3ea1aa90$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <ept2jp+l1u5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at ...> 
wrote:

> 
>   Chancie again:
> 
>   Nevermind, I just saw where Schoolastic confirmed the date,
> 
>   but still I wonder why she just threw it out there?  Hopefully
> 
>   she'll update more soon; I'd really love to see a new FAQ!
> 
> 

Is anyone else besides me having a weird, sad feeling about knowing 
the date? It is very similar to the feeling I got when reading Snape 
was the new DADA teacher in HBP-- a "well, that's it, we know he'll 
be 
gone this year," or in this case, "Well, that's it, we know when the 
end is now," feeling. I'm so excited to read it, but knowing it will 
be The End is actually giving me a few stomach flips. 
Just surprised at my own reaction,
CDR
Who agrees with Chancie that we need a new FAQ- that would certainly 
cheer me up!




From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Feb  1 16:09:09 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:09:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need quick help!
In-Reply-To: <ept1l2+5u5j@eGroups.com>
References: <epn6s4+o3al@eGroups.com> <ept1l2+5u5j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <024001c7461b$52aeb0b0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

I am far from one who's got them memorized....but I think no.

 
Michelle 

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:40 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need quick help!



I need help from those of you who have the books pretty much 
memorized! I'm writing my own version of the 7th book (200 pages and 
counting, YAY ME!) and I need to know if Draco knows about the 
Marauder's Map. I'm leaning toward NOT, but I don't want to spend ten 
hours researching it.

Thanks in advance!
Cheryl



 


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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Feb  1 16:10:13 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:10:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date
In-Reply-To: <ept2jp+l1u5@eGroups.com>
References: <000a01c7460d$3ea1aa90$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <ept2jp+l1u5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <024501c7461b$78b55700$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

I am a little sad yes.... I'm so excited to read the last one...but then
it's the last one... 
 
Michelle 
Phoenixville, PA

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cdayr
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:57 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter@ <mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024 at ...> 
wrote:

> 
> Chancie again:
> 
> Nevermind, I just saw where Schoolastic confirmed the date,
> 
> but still I wonder why she just threw it out there? Hopefully
> 
> she'll update more soon; I'd really love to see a new FAQ!
> 
> 

Is anyone else besides me having a weird, sad feeling about knowing 
the date? It is very similar to the feeling I got when reading Snape 
was the new DADA teacher in HBP-- a "well, that's it, we know he'll 
be 
gone this year," or in this case, "Well, that's it, we know when the 
end is now," feeling. I'm so excited to read it, but knowing it will 
be The End is actually giving me a few stomach flips. 
Just surprised at my own reaction,
CDR
Who agrees with Chancie that we need a new FAQ- that would certainly 
cheer me up!



 


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Feb  1 16:25:16 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:25:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release date announced!
In-Reply-To: <09f801c74601$b1a8cd90$66fea8c0@outlooksoft.com>
References: <epso90+qe54@eGroups.com>
 <09f801c74601$b1a8cd90$66fea8c0@outlooksoft.com>
Message-ID: <001301c7461d$9074fb50$67a4a8c0@rosie>

[Stacey]:
| Wow.I really thought this was a hoax but just confirmed it on 
| Scholastic's
| website.  I'm completely surprised!  So much for the 7th or the 31st!

[Lee]:
I suppose one could argue that 21 is 3 X 7, but I would have still preferred
the 31 date for Harry's Birthday. <Sigh>

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Thu Feb  1 17:27:22 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:27:22 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date
In-Reply-To: <000a01c7460d$3ea1aa90$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <epsopg+4pv7@eGroups.com>
	 <009001c7460b$81fb1990$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
	 <000a01c7460d$3ea1aa90$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702010927ob4fccacu336c3ce35b00ba@mail.gmail.com>

Chancie:

Also thought it was odd that she simply placed it in the "news"

and didn't even mention it in the "diary". Could this be the

"Pillar of Storge" all over again?

********************************************************

Chancie again:

Nevermind, I just saw where Schoolastic confirmed the date,

but still I wonder why she just threw it out there? Hopefully

she'll update more soon; I'd really love to see a new FAQ!

===========================================



Jeremiah:



Maybe she's sad to see the end of her series (as I am) and just threw it out
there so it can simply be said. I mean, she's done a lot for us as far as
suspense, she's probably exhausted and maybe tinkering with some things (not
necessarily writing but other stuff... whatever it may be).



A co-worker emailed me and that's how I found out... I'm going through some
stages of grieving... it's almost like someone has told me they're going to
die.



maybe I'll start at "HP for the Grieving site" LOL.


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From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Thu Feb  1 18:03:29 2007
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:03:29 +0000
Subject: HP&DH to be released at Sectus!
Message-ID: <6493bc80702011003v37072d8cs8fc3935f367548ce@mail.gmail.com>

It All Ends at Sectus!

The Sectus committee is currently rejoicing at the news that Harry Potter
and the Deathly Hallows, the final book in the series, is to be released
during our conference.

This means that Sectus is not only the biggest Harry Potter conference ever
to have been held in Europe, but is also set to be the ultimate release
party.

In amongst the excitement, though, the Committee is hard at work making sure
the event can be adapted to the new circumstances. We will bring you further
details once the frantic phone calls and emails produce some results, but in
the meantime we can confirm the following:

* Arrangements are being made to secure books for all conference attendees
who require them at midnight on the release date.

* Space will be provided for those who wish to read through the night, at a
location to be confirmed.

* There will be a rigorous spoiler policy in effect throughout the event.

If you want to read the book overnight on Friday night, you'll have two days
to discuss and analyse the contents with hundreds of fellow fans.

And for those who do not wish to read the book immediately, alternative
programming will be provided, as originally planned, and there will be
procedures in place to ensure that those who wish to avoid spoilers are able
to do so.

We set up Sectus with the aim of celebrating the beginning of Harry Potter,
and now we're celebrating the end as well!

If you would like to download the official Sectus press release concerning
this news, it will be available shortly on our website at
http://www.sectus.org/press.php

And if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at
chair at sectus.org.

Regards

Elanor Isolda
Conference Chair
Sectus 2007

-- 
Celebrate the tenth anniversary of Harry Potter in the country where it all
began! http://www.sectus.org


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  1 20:42:38 2007
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:42:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need quick help!
In-Reply-To: <024001c7461b$52aeb0b0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <385265.59149.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

He doesn't know.

"Michelle A. Tague" <taguem at jmsearch.com> wrote:          I am far from one who's got them memorized....but I think no.

Michelle 

_____ 

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:40 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Need quick help!

I need help from those of you who have the books pretty much 
memorized! I'm writing my own version of the 7th book (200 pages and 
counting, YAY ME!) and I need to know if Draco knows about the 
Marauder's Map. I'm leaning toward NOT, but I don't want to spend ten 
hours researching it.

Thanks in advance!
Cheryl

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From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Fri Feb  2 00:05:48 2007
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:05:48 -0000
Subject: Release date announced!
In-Reply-To: <epso90+qe54@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eptv8s+m5lf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Luckdragon" 
<luckdragon64 at ...> wrote:
>
> WooHoo! July 21st 2007!

I just went through TLC's archives to see when the major milestones 
occurred on the way to HBP's release date. This should give us a 
rough timetable for us to be anticipating the similar milestones for 
DH:

12/21/04 - HBP to be released on 7/16/05

12/22/04 - HBP will be shorter than OOP, have less than 38 chapters

1/24/05	- HBP will have 672 pages

2/11/05	- British edition of HBP will have 608 pages

3/8/05 	- Cover art for the Scholastic book debuts on the Today show ?
 the Bloomsbury cover also becomes available 

4/28/05	 - Announcement that Jim Dale's audio version would go on 
sale concurrent with the book

5/11/05	- Deluxe high-resolution image of cover becomes available 

5/13/05	- JKR announces on her website her plans for 7/16/05 (reading 
at an Edinburgh book store, etc)

6/05/05	- Scholastic announces that 10.8 million copies of HBP have 
been printed, and will soon be shipped to distributors

06/09/05 - JKR granted injunction against those trying to  disclose 
HBP contents before publication (rumors circulate that Dumbledore 
dies in Book Six)

07/08/05 - Back cover of Scholastic edition becomes available

07/13/05 - Entire Scholastic jacket cover made available
 
    - CMC





From jeopardy18 at comcast.net  Fri Feb  2 03:17:26 2007
From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:17:26 -0000
Subject: WAS Re: [HPforGrownups] We have a release date
In-Reply-To: <ept2jp+l1u5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <epuag6+ava9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cdayr" <cdayr at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" <chnc1024@> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   Chancie again:
> > 
> >   Nevermind, I just saw where Schoolastic confirmed the date,
> > 
> >   but still I wonder why she just threw it out there?  Hopefully
> > 
> >   she'll update more soon; I'd really love to see a new FAQ!
> > 
> > 
> 
> Is anyone else besides me having a weird, sad feeling about 
knowing 
> the date? It is very similar to the feeling I got when reading 
Snape 
> was the new DADA teacher in HBP-- a "well, that's it, we know 
he'll 
> be 
> gone this year," or in this case, "Well, that's it, we know when 
the 
> end is now," feeling. I'm so excited to read it, but knowing it 
will 
> be The End is actually giving me a few stomach flips. 
> Just surprised at my own reaction,
> CDR
> Who agrees with Chancie that we need a new FAQ- that would 
certainly 
> cheer me up!
>

It seems like just yesterday that the fifth and sixth books came 
out. 





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb  3 20:42:05 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:42:05 -0000
Subject: 7th book
Message-ID: <eq2s2t+qgkt@eGroups.com>

Btw, Sean, Harry Melbourne sounds to have been a really nice guy.

Luckdragon got to announce in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/31456>:

<< WooHoo! July 21st 2007! >>

Stacey's reply in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/messages> included:

<< So much for the 7th or the 31st! >>

Which was one of my firsts thoughts also on hearing the news on the
radio. I had been very fond of the numerology of 07/07/07.

On the other tentacle, I was just plain surprised at the announcement,
because it seemed to me that it was only weeks ago that she diarized
that she was still writing a difficult chapter.

CDR wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/31462>:

<< Is anyone else besides me having a weird, sad feeling about knowing
(snip) I'm so excited to read it, but knowing it will be The End is
actually giving me a few stomach flips. Just surprised at my own
reaction, >>

I was not surprised at all that I was more saddened than excited by
the announcement, because I have been fearful of book 7 at least since
Lumos last summer. I fear she won't come up with an ending that lives
up to the expectations she has raised. I fear she will come up with an
ending, however elegant, dramatic, and theological, that ruins all
that went before. I fear that even (especially?) the greatest ending
will take the fun out of our discussions, when re-reading to search
for clues is replaced by re-reading to list foreshadowings. I fear
that I'll have to find something else to look forward to, in place of
'the next Harry Potter'.





From lilandriss at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 00:29:52 2007
From: lilandriss at yahoo.com (lilandriss)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:29:52 -0000
Subject: Question on the Protection Wards
Message-ID: <eq39e0+t6qh@eGroups.com>

Hello all, I have a question regarding the protection wards for 
Harry.  I'm not entirely certain how it all works.  I know Voldie 
can't get to him during the summer due to the blood protection but 
does that extend to the Death Eaters? Is he only completely safe when 
in the house or is he safe too when outside in the neighborhood?  
Considering the Dementor attack, I think not but if that's the case, 
then what's stopping Voldie from having a few of his death eaters take 
harry out when he's outside the house? Surely, they know where he 
lives, couldn't be that hard to locate him.  Umbridge did. 

Lanna :)  




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 02:29:39 2007
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:29:39 -0000
Subject: Question on the Protection Wards
In-Reply-To: <eq39e0+t6qh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq3gej+iric@eGroups.com>

Lanna wrote:
>
> Hello all, I have a question regarding the protection wards for 
> Harry.  I'm not entirely certain how it all works.  I know Voldie 
> can't get to him during the summer due to the blood protection but 
> does that extend to the Death Eaters? Is he only completely safe when 
> in the house or is he safe too when outside in the neighborhood?  
> Considering the Dementor attack, I think not but if that's the case, 
> then what's stopping Voldie from having a few of his death eaters 
take 
> harry out when he's outside the house? Surely, they know where he 
> lives, couldn't be that hard to locate him.  Umbridge did. 


Kemper now:
It's not that Harry's off limits from Voldie in the summer; it's that 4 
Privet Drive is off limits and Harry's there when it's summer.  

The protective ward is on the place.  Think of it like the game of Tag 
where the person who's It (Voldie) can't touch the person who is Not-It 
(Harry) when the Not-It person (Harry) is at Base (4 Privet Dr). 
However, if the Not-It person leaves Base, then Not-It can be touched 
by It.  

There is evidence to suggest that Harry's Base may include the 
surrounding neighborhood.  But the ward is strongest, I would guess, at 
his aunt's.

Umbridge may have gotten the information on Harry's address because 
she's high up in the ministry or because she was in Fudge's confidence.

As far as Dementors go... they are magical creatures with their own 
magical rules.  The protective ward on the residence (which was able to 
be placed because of a tragic/unhappy loss) is not the same as the 
Patronus Charm which requires happy thoughts.

But I believe you are right about the DE's being able to find where 
Harry lives especially when Lucius was hangin out at the Ministry.  But 
even if the did/do know, I don't think they can do anything directly.

Did Voldie ever say he didn't know where Harry was?  I don't think so 
but I'm not near my books.  Maybe he does know, but can't do anything 
about it.  Which suggests to me that if /he/ can't do anything, then 
neither can his lackies.  Again, directly.  If they thought outside the 
box like Umbridge, maybe Harry would be dead long ago.

Hope this was helpful.

Kemper
 





From jnferr at gmail.com  Sun Feb  4 02:35:27 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:35:27 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Question on the Protection Wards
In-Reply-To: <eq39e0+t6qh@eGroups.com>
References: <eq39e0+t6qh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702031835k4c93a2f8i26811f02d4a27e74@mail.gmail.com>

Lanna:
> Hello all, I have a question regarding the protection wards for
> Harry.  I'm not entirely certain how it all works.  I know Voldie
> can't get to him during the summer due to the blood protection but
> does that extend to the Death Eaters? Is he only completely safe when
> in the house or is he safe too when outside in the neighborhood?
> Considering the Dementor attack, I think not but if that's the case,
> then what's stopping Voldie from having a few of his death eaters take
> harry out when he's outside the house? Surely, they know where he
> lives, couldn't be that hard to locate him.  Umbridge did.

montims:
I think the protection only applies inside the house, and that's why
DD set the Order members on guard duty after LV returned - if Dung had
been more vigilant, the Dementors would not have got him...



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 02:43:13 2007
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:43:13 -0000
Subject: Any news on any more test at Rowlings website?
Message-ID: <eq3h81+pd92@eGroups.com>

I have been gone awhile. Any more Wombate test lately? I hope I haven't 
missed any. Thanks.

Tonks_op




From lilandriss at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 02:47:40 2007
From: lilandriss at yahoo.com (lilandriss)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:47:40 -0000
Subject: Question on the Protection Wards
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40702031835k4c93a2f8i26811f02d4a27e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eq3hgc+pvq2@eGroups.com>

> montims:
> I think the protection only applies inside the house, and that's why
> DD set the Order members on guard duty after LV returned - if Dung 
had
> been more vigilant, the Dementors would not have got him...
>

Thanks very much for your input! I appreicate it!
lanna :) 




From lilandriss at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 02:46:14 2007
From: lilandriss at yahoo.com (lilandriss)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:46:14 -0000
Subject: Question on the Protection Wards
In-Reply-To: <eq3gej+iric@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq3hdm+f7in@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
> It's not that Harry's off limits from Voldie in the summer; it's 
that 4 
> Privet Drive is off limits and Harry's there when it's summer.  
> 
> The protective ward is on the place.  Think of it like the game of 
Tag 
> where the person who's It (Voldie) can't touch the person who is 
Not-It 
> (Harry) when the Not-It person (Harry) is at Base (4 Privet Dr). 
> However, if the Not-It person leaves Base, then Not-It can be 
touched 
> by It.  
> 
> There is evidence to suggest that Harry's Base may include the 
> surrounding neighborhood.  But the ward is strongest, I would 
guess, at 
> his aunt's.
> 
> Umbridge may have gotten the information on Harry's address 
because 
> she's high up in the ministry or because she was in Fudge's 
confidence.
> 
> As far as Dementors go... they are magical creatures with their 
own 
> magical rules.  The protective ward on the residence (which was 
able to 
> be placed because of a tragic/unhappy loss) is not the same as the 
> Patronus Charm which requires happy thoughts.
> 
> But I believe you are right about the DE's being able to find 
where 
> Harry lives especially when Lucius was hangin out at the 
Ministry.  But 
> even if the did/do know, I don't think they can do anything 
directly.
> 
> Did Voldie ever say he didn't know where Harry was?  I don't think 
so 
> but I'm not near my books.  Maybe he does know, but can't do 
anything 
> about it.  Which suggests to me that if /he/ can't do anything, 
then 
> neither can his lackies.  Again, directly.  If they thought 
outside the 
> box like Umbridge, maybe Harry would be dead long ago.
> 
> Hope this was helpful.


Yes, it was.  Thank you for that detailed reply Kemper!

Lanna :) 





From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Sun Feb  4 04:23:04 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:23:04 -0000
Subject: Any news on any more test at Rowlings website?
In-Reply-To: <eq3h81+pd92@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq3n38+jntm@eGroups.com>

Nope, you haven't missed anything.
:-)



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> I have been gone awhile. Any more Wombate test lately? I hope I 
haven't 
> missed any. Thanks.
> 
> Tonks_op
>





From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  4 13:12:14 2007
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:12:14 -0000
Subject: Any news on any more test at Rowlings website?
In-Reply-To: <eq3h81+pd92@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq4m3e+e8et@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> I have been gone awhile. Any more Wombate test lately? I hope I 
haven't 
> missed any. Thanks.
> 
> Tonks_op
>
maria8162001:

Hi Tonks, nice to see you again. No, there were no wombat test so far, 
but did you know that there's already a release date for the final 
book? The release date is July 21 and you can confirm it on JKR's 
site. Cheers. Nice to have you back.




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From alborz_d92 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb  4 17:38:28 2007
From: alborz_d92 at yahoo.co.uk (alborz_d92)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:38:28 -0000
Subject: My Site
Message-ID: <eq55mk+iqua@eGroups.com>

Hey people,
I've just made my own Harry Potter fan site and I'd love some advice or 
tips on how to improve it.

http://potterplanet.kk5.org/





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  5 01:49:26 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:49:26 -0000
Subject: Need quick help!
In-Reply-To: <ept1l2+5u5j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq62f6+dghl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cheryl" <xcpublishing at ...> wrote:
>
> I need help from those of you who have the books pretty much 
> memorized!  I'm writing my own version of the 7th book (200 pages and 
> counting, YAY ME!) and I need to know if Draco knows about the 
> Marauder's Map.  I'm leaning toward NOT, but I don't want to spend ten 
> hours researching it.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Cheryl
>
Carol responds:
Here's a quick history of the map. It was confiscated by Filch (who of
course couldn't work it) while MWPP were at Hogwarts. It sat unused in
a file drawer until the Twins "filched" it in (IIRC) their first year.
No one else except possibly Lee Jordan knew about it until they gave
it to Harry in PoA. He showed it to Ron and Hermione (Hermione thought
he should turn it in to McGonagalle). When Harry returned from his
first Hogsmeade trip, having scared Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle by
showing up as a disembodied head, he was caught by Snape, who
confiscated the map and guessed that it showed a secret way into
Hogsmeade (he was already suspiciously examining the Hump-backed Witch
statue). When the map insulted Snape, he called in Lupin, probably
suspecting from the personal insults and the nickname Moony who the
makers had to be, a suspicion confirmed when Lupin says, "I'll take
this *back,* shall I?" (Back? You didn't catch that, Harry?) Lupin
keeps it, using it to check on HRH and instead spotting Peter
Pettigrew with Ron and Sirius Black heading down the tunnel toward the
Shrieking Shack. Snape sees the map lying open (Lupin forgot to say
"Mischief Managed") and follows him. The next morning Lupin, having
resigned as DADA teacher after transforming into a werewolf and
endangering three kids, returns the map to Harry along with his
Invisibility Cloak. In GoF, Snape nearly confiscates the map again,
but instead it's picked up by Fake!Moody. After Snape leaves,
Fake!Moody asks Harry if he can borrow the map, and Harry, thinking
that he's an Auror (with an eye on Snape) lends it to him. At the end
of GoF, Dumbledore finds out about the map for the first time ("What
map is this?") and apparently gives it back to Harry after finding it
in Fake!Moody's office (as JKR stated in an interview) but it happens
offpage. I'm having a mental block about OoP (someone help me,
please), but I don't think that anyone else finds out about it.
(Neither Draco nor Umbridge would know how to use it even if they
found it.) In HBP, of course, Harry mostly uses the map to try to
locate Draco, who keeps disappearing from it. No one new finds out
about it or confiscates it. And of course, Harry no longer needs to
use the secret passages now that he has permission to get into
Hogsmeade from GoF on, so the map is less important, and less likely
to be discovered, from that book onward.

At any rate, while *Snape* knows about both the Marauder's Map and the
Invisibility Cloak, Draco doesn't know about either one (despite
having seen Disembodied Harry in Hogsmeade) unless I'm forgetting
something from OoP.

Carol, who can't believe that a whole book has temporarily slipped out
of her head!




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Feb  5 02:37:14 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:37:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Need quick help!
In-Reply-To: <eq62f6+dghl@eGroups.com>
References: <ept1l2+5u5j@eGroups.com> <eq62f6+dghl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002001c748ce$8bff84b0$67a4a8c0@rosie>

[justcarol67]:
| At any rate, while *Snape* knows about both the Marauder's Map and the
| Invisibility Cloak, Draco doesn't know about either one (despite
| having seen Disembodied Harry in Hogsmeade) unless I'm forgetting
| something from OoP.

[Lee]:
Ah--no...but you are forgetting something from HBP.  Remember that Harry was
discovered by Draco hiding up in the luggage rack.  Draco freezes Harry who
falls to the floor, his invisibility cloak comes off, Draco steps on Harry's
nose and breaks it, covers Harry with the invisibility cloak and leaves.
Draco had seen Harry's sneaker and figured he had such a cloak.

Tonks, seeing shades drawn on one of the compartments and not seeing Harry
exit the Hogwarts Express, goes to investigate, finds Harry, unfreezes him,
they jump off the train, Tonks heals Harry's nose and they proceed to
Hogwarts on foot, Harry wearing his cloak.

However, as far as the map goes, Draco has no knowledge of it, thus far.

I think I've got that all put right.

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  6 14:40:41 2007
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:40:41 -0000
Subject: The Latest From the Prophecy 2007 News Desk!
Message-ID: <eqa419+etoo@eGroups.com>

325 Million Copies Sold, Innumerable Memories Made
Harry Potter fans to gather after Deathly Hallows release
Though many people see July 21, 2007 ? the just-announced release 
date for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ? as the end of an era, 
true Potterphiles know that it is really just a new beginning. 


While the seventh and final book will finally reveal the fate of the 
world's favorite boy wizard, the end of his fans' enthusiasm is 
nowhere in sight. Our enduring interest in the hows and whys behind 
Harry's mesmerizing story will bring us to Toronto this summer to 
attend Prophecy 2007: From Hero to Legend. The organizers of Prophecy 
are delighted to be hosting the first such event to take place after 
the release of Deathly Hallows and have already scheduled plenty of 
special programming, from casual roundtable discussions to scholarly 
panels, focused on the completed series. "It's the world's first 
opportunity to discuss Harry's story from beginning to end," says 
Vishaya Naidoo, the executive chair of the conference. "We can't wait 
to be part of such an historic moment." 


Prophecy 2007, which takes place August 2-5, will feature two days of 
formal academic programming focusing on the development of the series 
and its fandom. But plenty of light-hearted social activities are 
also on the weekend's agenda, including a concert featuring three 
pioneers of Wizard Rock ? Harry and the Potters, Draco and the 
Malfoys, and The Remus Lupins. Conference attendees can also try 
their skills at Quidditch or dance the night away at a fancy dress 
ball. Another Prophecy highlight will be the Hall of Reflection, 
where fans will be able to share the many ways in which Harry's 
journey has touched their lives over the past ten years. 

 
If you have not already registered for Prophecy, don't miss your 
chance to share your first thoughts on Deathly Hallows with hundreds 
of your fellow fans! We're looking forward to celebrating ten years' 
worth of laughter, tears, and most of all, magic among friends - come 
and help us to make Prophecy 2007 unique and exciting! Register today!

 
Also, it's not too late to send in your idea for a presentation, 
poster session, round table, workshop, or panel to be presented at 
Prophecy 2007!  In case the announcement of the release date for 
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows has inspired new ideas, we have 
extended the deadline for submission of your abstract to the Call to 
Proposals until February 15, 2007. 

If you've got the beginnings of a brilliant topic that you'd like to 
expand upon, our Programming Prompts might help you to develop your 
idea, and you can find fellow presenters in the Programming 
Collaboration thread on the Prophecy forum. Proposals can be 
submitted by using the Submissions page.

If you have any questions, contact us at 
formalprogramming at prophecy2007.org.
More details about Prophecy 2007 are available at http://hp2007.org.




From marilynpeake at cs.com  Tue Feb  6 21:44:33 2007
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:44:33 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
Message-ID: <eqass1+925f@eGroups.com>


J.K. Rowling has a very moving post on her website about how it feels
to complete the Harry Potter series:
http://www.jkrowling.com

Best Wishes,
Marilyn
http://www.marilynpeake.com





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  6 23:28:53 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:28:53 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqass1+925f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqb2vl+j2st@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake"
<marilynpeake at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> J.K. Rowling has a very moving post on her website about how it feels
> to complete the Harry Potter series:
> http://www.jkrowling.com
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Marilyn
> http://www.marilynpeake.com
>

Carol: 

I expected to come here and find all sorts of responses to the site
update. The most interesting thing, to me, is her refusal to answer
the two FAQ questions (the alternative titles and the meaning of
"Deathly Hallows". Unfortunately, there's no FAQ poll (yet), just a
diary entry about how sad she feels having finished the book after
*seventeen years* of working on it. 

I almost forgot to mention that she thinks we'll still be arguing and
speculating about the books for years to come, which evidently means
that she won't be answering every single question. I just hope she
answers all the important one, especially regarding Snape!

Carol, who wonders what JKR means by "editing" the manuscript, which
is not the author's job




From cdayr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 00:52:58 2007
From: cdayr at yahoo.com (cdayr)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:52:58 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqb2vl+j2st@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqb7ta+8dte@eGroups.com>


> Carol: 
> 
> I expected to come here and find all sorts of responses to the site
> update. 

Hi Carol! It is a bit lonely around here. I've been buzzing through 
JKR's site all afternoon when I had free moments, and expected to be 
last one to the list. Hello, out there <echo, echo>... 

<snip- JKR not answering any questions>

Carol:
> I almost forgot to mention that she thinks we'll still be arguing 
and
> speculating about the books for years to come, which evidently 
means
> that she won't be answering every single question. I just hope she
> answers all the important one, especially regarding Snape!

This statement gave me a contented feeling- for, although I am eager 
for real answers (and yes, please please tell us all about dear 
Severus. Please.), I also hope that DH is not so simplistic in the 
end that we will not need to debate and talk and figure out what it 
all means. Because then, sadness. Let the debate live on! I would 
also be disappointed because I think part of what makes a book or 
series great is that it leaves you with thoughts, questions and 
points of interpretation that are always up to you as a reader, and 
should always be interesting to discuss. 
As the lists of "What she would have to resolve in DH to make us all 
happy" grow on and on, clearly there will have to be mysteries that 
remain for all time...Wow, they really might remain for *all time*. 
That's crazy.

Celia (aka CDR)








From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 01:32:10 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:32:10 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
Message-ID: <eqba6q+ssds@eGroups.com>

Once again I have been browsing London Real Estate and spending the
Lottery money I haven't won yet. 

Tonight I was primarily looking the the Fullham and Battlesea areas. 

A typical nice but not great London Flat 600 to 1,000 square feet is
about ?350,000 or about US$690,000. Keep in mind this is for a small
but reasonably nice 2 bedroom apartment. (convertion rate 1.97)

Houses in the same area were in the ?500,000 to ?1,000,000 for some
relatively nice houses. I saw a few I wouldn't mind having.
(US$985,000 to US$1,970,000). 

Though I saw a REALLY nice Row House, absolutely first rate for a mere
US$7,000,000. Of course, if I win the lottery, $7,000,000 for a
vacation home in London is nothing. The mortgage payments on this
place are just under $40,000/mo.

http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?sale_rent=1&ID=2720&rNo=43&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=450000&price2_fld=99999999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=2&area2=2&area6=6&thetype_fld=1

I did see a really nice flat near Battersea Park on Battersea Park
road for a mere ?310,000. (US$$611,000). Within easy walking distance
of the 200 acre Battersea Park which is right on the Thames River, and
reasonable walking distance (though a bit long) to Hyde Park, St.
James Park, and New Covent Garden Market. 

http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?sale_rent=1&ID=2459&rNo=0&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=150000&price2_fld=99999999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=0&area2=2&thetype_fld=1

If you would like to indulge your fantasies, look at -

http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/train.php?sale_rent=1&sec=1&id=1&thetype=1

Also, you can rent Flats, furnished and unfurnished, for about ?300 to
?500 pounds. That seem fair. (US$600 to $1,000 per month)

It's all just for fun.

Steve/bboyminn





From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb  7 04:15:28 2007
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:15:28 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqass1+925f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqbjp0+dbho@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" 
<marilynpeake at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> J.K. Rowling has a very moving post on her website about how it 
feels
> to complete the Harry Potter series:

The Dickens quotation that JKR cites was in reference to David 
Copperfield ? and if you've never read it, then rejoice!  DC, 
Dickens' greatest novel, and your opportunity to face-time with such 
immortals as Mr. Dick, Uriah Heep and Wilkins Micawber is merely a 
click away:

http://www.19thnovels.com/davidcopperfield.php

Here's an extract from Wikipedia to show you how highly DC is 
regarded:

Dickens worked on David Copperfield for two years between 1848 and 
1850, carefully planning out the plot and structure. Seven novels 
precede it, and seven novels would come after it, Copperfield being 
his mid-point novel.

Tolstoy regarded Dickens as the best of all English novelists, and 
considered Copperfield to be his finest work, ranking the "Tempest" 
chapter (chapter 55,LV - the story of Ham and the storm and the 
shipwreck) the standard by which the world's great fiction should be 
judged. Henry James remembered hiding under a small table as a boy to 
hear installments read by his mother. Dostoevsky read it enthralled 
in a Siberian prison camp. Franz Kafka called his first book Amerika 
a "sheer imitation". James Joyce paid it reverence through parody in 
Ulysses. Virginia Woolf, who normally had little regard for Dickens, 
confessed the durability of this one novel, belonging to "the 
memories and myths of life". It was Freud's favorite novel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copperfield_(novel) 

And remember - in the 1935 film version, the role of Micawber was 
embodied by no less a personage than WC Fields

-	CMC (who thinks the stage magician-charlatan who stole the 
name DC to be even more morally blameworthy than Gilderoy)





From cdayr at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 08:22:47 2007
From: cdayr at yahoo.com (cdayr)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:22:47 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqbjp0+dbho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqc28n+dno4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at ...> wrote:
>
<snip>
> 
> The Dickens quotation that JKR cites was in reference to David 
> Copperfield ? and if you've never read it, then rejoice!  DC, 
> Dickens' greatest novel, and your opportunity to face-time with 
such 
> immortals as Mr. Dick, Uriah Heep and Wilkins Micawber is 
merely a 
> click away:
> 
> http://www.19thnovels.com/davidcopperfield.php
> 
<snip lovely references to how amazing DC is>
> 
> And remember - in the 1935 film version, the role of Micawber 
was 
> embodied by no less a personage than WC Fields


And don't forget the fairly recent (last 10 years) PBS/BBC? series 
of David Copperfield with Daniel Radcliffe as young David!

-Celia, whose favorite-books-in-the-world list includes Dickens' 
"Bleak House," but who also loves "David Copperfield," just a 
little less, and is happy that JKR referenced DIckens...a great 
match for her success, in many ways.







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 17:36:01 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:36:01 -0000
Subject: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqbjp0+dbho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqd2m1+2dud@eGroups.com>

CMC wrote:
<snip>
> The Dickens quotation that JKR cites was in reference to David 
> Copperfield ? and if you've never read it, then rejoice!  DC, 
> Dickens' greatest novel, and your opportunity to face-time with such 
> immortals as Mr. Dick, Uriah Heep and Wilkins Micawber is merely a 
> click away:
> 
> http://www.19thnovels.com/davidcopperfield.php
<snip>

Carol responds:
I second the suggestion. Another reason to read "David Copperfield,"
if you haven't already done so, is that (like "Jane Eyre") it's a
classic Bildungsroman (novel of growing up), one of several genres
that the HP books belong to. Essentially, the protagonist passes from
childhood Innocence through Experience (the rougher world outside the
home) to Wisdom (or at any rate, maturity). I won't say more because I
don't want to spoil the story. But you forgot to mention Aunt Betsy
Trotwood, another gem of a character, and the Byronic Steerforth, and
dear old Tommy Traddles. (I can't abide Uriah Heep. He's what BetsyHP
would call a nails-across-the blackboard character for me. But then,
he's supposed to be.)

Carol, wondering to what extent, if any, JKR was influenced by Dickens





From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 18:34:22 2007
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:34:22 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
In-Reply-To: <eqba6q+ssds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqd63e+pk7q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Once again I have been browsing London Real Estate and spending the
> Lottery money I haven't won yet. 
> 
> Tonight I was primarily looking the the Fullham and Battlesea 
areas. 
> 
> A typical nice but not great London Flat 600 to 1,000 square feet is
> about ?350,000 or about US$690,000. Keep in mind this is for a small
> but reasonably nice 2 bedroom apartment. (convertion rate 1.97)
> 
> Houses in the same area were in the ?500,000 to ?1,000,000 for some
> relatively nice houses. I saw a few I wouldn't mind having.
> (US$985,000 to US$1,970,000). 
> 
> Though I saw a REALLY nice Row House, absolutely first rate for a 
mere
> US$7,000,000. Of course, if I win the lottery, $7,000,000 for a
> vacation home in London is nothing. The mortgage payments on this
> place are just under $40,000/mo.
> 
> http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?
sale_rent=1&ID=2720&rNo=43&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=450000&price2_fld=99
999999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=2&area2=2&area6=6&thety
pe_fld=1
> 
> I did see a really nice flat near Battersea Park on Battersea Park
> road for a mere ?310,000. (US$$611,000). Within easy walking 
distance
> of the 200 acre Battersea Park which is right on the Thames River, 
and
> reasonable walking distance (though a bit long) to Hyde Park, St.
> James Park, and New Covent Garden Market. 
> 
> http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?
sale_rent=1&ID=2459&rNo=0&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=150000&price2_fld=999
99999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=0&area2=2&thetype_fld=1
> 
> If you would like to indulge your fantasies, look at -
> 
> http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/train.php?
sale_rent=1&sec=1&id=1&thetype=1
> 
> Also, you can rent Flats, furnished and unfurnished, for about ?300 
to
> ?500 pounds. That seem fair. (US$600 to $1,000 per month)
> 
> It's all just for fun.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>


Thank you, Steve!
I have been trying to find an easy-to-navigate website with real 
estate listings for any part of Great Britain just for grins and 
giggles.  I would live in the US, and dream of visiting England some 
day.  I frequently watch BBC America and am facinated by the property 
related shows.  I especially enjoy "Homes Under the Hammer" 
and "Location, Location, Location".  Now I can cruise through the 
site you listed and dream. ;D
I always enjoy your posts.  Thanks for the information.
Cyndi





From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 19:11:29 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:11:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: J.K. Rowling Comments on Completing the Series
In-Reply-To: <eqd2m1+2dud@eGroups.com>
References: <eqbjp0+dbho@eGroups.com> <eqd2m1+2dud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702071111l7f57cc68sa70ec8f013d4a359@mail.gmail.com>

> Carol, wondering to what extent, if any, JKR was influenced by Dickens

montims:  well, to me, HBP was very Dickensian in its description of
Spinners End, and the women; Merope and the orphanage were very
reminiscent of Oliver Twist; and the whole "thing" of choosing
particular names and characteristics for characters, and referring to
them by these characteristics, is very reminiscent of Dickens to me.
I have to confess my love for Bleak House above all others, but any
Dickens is good IMO.



From dbkelley at adelphia.net  Wed Feb  7 03:03:55 2007
From: dbkelley at adelphia.net (auntrebbis)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:03:55 -0000
Subject: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
Message-ID: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>

Has anhone done this with past releaes?  My copies of HP 1-6 are the UK 
plain 'adult version' and I want to order 7 in the same.  

I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK site, but it 
appears that the adult version is about 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping 
costs almost as much as the book.  1-2 day shipping (which they say 
will ship on 7/19) costs more than twice the amount of the book.  

Truthfully, if it would be guaranteed to arrive, I'd pay the shipping.  
But I hate to pay and not have it arrive for even a few days.  Maybe I 
should get slower shipping and order locally to tide myself over.

Anyone have any past experience with this?

Thanks,
Deb




From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 19:41:31 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:41:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702071141w55e96b6cm2b6200d723f10edf@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/6/07, auntrebbis <dbkelley at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Has anhone done this with past releaes?  My copies of HP 1-6 are the UK
> plain 'adult version' and I want to order 7 in the same.
>
> I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK site, but it
> appears that the adult version is about 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping
> costs almost as much as the book.  1-2 day shipping (which they say
> will ship on 7/19) costs more than twice the amount of the book.
>
> Truthfully, if it would be guaranteed to arrive, I'd pay the shipping.
> But I hate to pay and not have it arrive for even a few days.  Maybe I
> should get slower shipping and order locally to tide myself over.
>
> Anyone have any past experience with this?
>
> Thanks,
> Deb

 montims:
I have ordered the book by Amazon UK, and have ordered many books from
them in the past.  It can take about a week to arrive in America, so I
will also be buying an American version to find out what happens...

But I don't think the delay is due to Amazon - they ship quickly -
when I lived in England, I ordered Goblet and OoTP by Amazon, and they
arrived on the release date - our post arrived at 7am, so I was
happy...



From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 19:42:22 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:42:22 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702071142k381ece2ah4918f54e4b3f573c@mail.gmail.com>

Has anhone done this with past releaes? My copies of HP 1-6 are the UK
plain 'adult version' and I want to order 7 in the same.

I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK site, but it
appears that the adult version is about 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping
costs almost as much as the book. 1-2 day shipping (which they say
will ship on 7/19) costs more than twice the amount of the book.

Truthfully, if it would be guaranteed to arrive, I'd pay the shipping.
But I hate to pay and not have it arrive for even a few days. Maybe I
should get slower shipping and order locally to tide myself over.

Anyone have any past experience with this?

Thanks,
Deb
=================================

Jeremiah:

I have the US & UK 1-6. The last few books, when released, I ordered both
and the UK came 7-10 days after the US edition. I found it useful because I
could read the US edition (sometimes twice) and have all the chats and
debates with friends and then the UK would come and something would be
phrased in a different way and then I could pull a "Hermione Granger" and be
superior for the day. LOL.

I'm in San Diego, CA and there's an independant shop here that will order
the UK edition for me. (I get the kids editions because I like the fun
artwork. Screw trying to make it all sophisticated... I'm reading a kid's
book. Am I wrong in thinking that the only difference between the kids and
adult editions are the covers?)

So, IMO, having both is a fantastic idea. I like the intrigue between the
two editions as far as wording and phrasing. Even the meter is different, as
usual when you "translate" anything.

Check for a local Sci-Fi/Horror/Mystery bookstore. They can be an amazing
resource and can offer you similar discounts on the titles you are looking
for. the one here in San Diego, CA is: Mysterious Galaxy. They have a
website:

http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp

They might know of one in your area. This one will order the UK edition...
and it's possible they will have it for me for the midnight release... but
I'm not holding my breath. I figure a 10 day period after the US release...
and that's ok with me.

(And, please, if there is a difference between the kids and adult HP series-
besides covers- let me know).


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 20:22:37 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:22:37 -0000
Subject: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqdced+bifo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "auntrebbis" <dbkelley at ...> wrote:
>
> Has anhone done this with past releaes?  My copies of
> HP 1-6 are the UK  plain 'adult version' and I want to
> order 7 in the same.  
> 
> I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK 
> site, but it appears that the adult version is about 
> 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping costs almost as much as
> the book.  ...
> 
> Thanks,
> Deb
>


bboyminn:

The thing most people in the USA forget is that the UK
is just a few hundred miles away in a winter wonderland
called CANADA.

You can order the UK versions from 'Chapters - Indigo'
in Canada.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/home?pticket=c4t41g45xtlczt55y2ervhyjiZ8D9B9RG2XLsZ1ccdhuIEIUi6Q%3d

Standard Version
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca//books/item/books-978155192976?ref=Home%2b%253aBanner%2b%253a%2b%252fimages_2005%252fContent%252fBanners%252fen%252fCB_HP7_preorder46.gif%2b%253aTOPCENTRE0

Adult Version-
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/item/books-978155192978/1551929783/Harry-Potter-and-the-Deathly-Hallows-Adult-Edition?ref=Search+Books%3a+'Deathly+Hallows'

Price = CA$24.30 (exchange rate US$1.00 = CA$1.185)

There may be other large Canadian book stores who also 
have the books, and would allow you to order on-line.

Don't count on the books arriving on the release date
though. But shipping from Canada is cheaper and faster
than from the UK.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 21:25:29 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:25:29 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqdced+bifo@eGroups.com>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com> <eqdced+bifo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com <HPFGU-OTChatter%40yahoogroups.com>,
"auntrebbis" <dbkelley at ...> wrote:
>
> Has anhone done this with past releaes? My copies of
> HP 1-6 are the UK plain 'adult version' and I want to
> order 7 in the same.
>
> I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK
> site, but it appears that the adult version is about
> 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping costs almost as much as
> the book. ...
>
> Thanks,
> Deb
>

bboyminn:

The thing most people in the USA forget is that the UK
is just a few hundred miles away in a winter wonderland
called CANADA.

You can order the UK versions from 'Chapters - Indigo'
in Canada.
=========================

Jeremiah:

Actually, I don't think of Canada as the UK. (And isnt' it more of an Arctic
Desert than a Wonderland? On the whole, I mean... and I live in a
Mediteranean Desert climate, so I'm not being judgemental about
deserts...) Canada is it's own country now, aren't they? I think they had
their 75th anniversary as not being "England to the West." However, I
understand that they have an allegence to the UK... one that America
doesn't... probably because we were established as penal colonies and that
whole "Tea Party" down in Boston...

But, anyhoo, the point being that I didnt' "forget" as much as "Nobody Ever
Told Me of Such a Thing."

Thanks fgor th Heads Up on it. Too bad I've already ordered. It would be
nice to give it a try.

(P.S. I don't have any resentment towards Canada or the UK. It's just that
I'm very proud to be an American and when America is belittled for something
I have an urge to defend/correct it. I, in no way, feel that Canada or the
UK is "superior" to America and vice-versa).

I'll check the website and see aht they've got.

Thanks again!


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From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 21:35:41 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:35:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com> <eqdced+bifo@eGroups.com>
	 <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0702071335y4c3d731cs9b809b28e32d7e6f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/07, Jeremiah LaFleur <hpfreakazoid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks fgor th Heads Up on it. Too bad I've already ordered. It would be
> nice to give it a try.


If you went with Amazon and still wanted to give Chapters a try, you
should still be able.  When HBP came out, I changed my order 3 times
(one of those times being to cancel the order totally) before deciding
on the deluxe edition - that's the nice thing about Amazon, being able
to change your mind.  (As with some online companies, Amazon doesn't
charge you anything until they send you the book, which is why you're
going to be able to "fix" your order for the next few months.)

By the way, is anyone playing the wait game like me and waiting to see
if there may be an extra special super-deluxe version coming out due
to it being the 7th book?  (I'm probably not going to pre-order until
March, as with last time.)

~Ali



From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 21:51:37 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:51:37 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0702071335y4c3d731cs9b809b28e32d7e6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com> <eqdced+bifo@eGroups.com>
	 <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>
	 <b6e131bf0702071335y4c3d731cs9b809b28e32d7e6f@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/7/07, Jeremiah LaFleur <hpfreakazoid at gmail.com<hpfreakazoid%40gmail.com>>
wrote:
> Thanks fgor th Heads Up on it. Too bad I've already ordered. It would be
> nice to give it a try.

If you went with Amazon and still wanted to give Chapters a try, you
should still be able. When HBP came out, I changed my order 3 times
(one of those times being to cancel the order totally) before deciding
on the deluxe edition - that's the nice thing about Amazon, being able
to change your mind. (As with some online companies, Amazon doesn't
charge you anything until they send you the book, which is why you're
going to be able to "fix" your order for the next few months.)

By the way, is anyone playing the wait game like me and waiting to see
if there may be an extra special super-deluxe version coming out due
to it being the 7th book? (I'm probably not going to pre-order until
March, as with last time.)

~Ali
===========================================

Jeremiah:

I'm actually staying away from online ordering this time around, but I do
want a copy of the UK paperbacks and the shop I will be getting my US
edition from ('cause I'm in the US) will get the UK for me, too.

Last time I ordered from Amazon (both the US and UK sites) they had a
preliminary page to order the "unnamed book 6" and then when they made the
permanent HBP site I was told that there had been an error (on both the UK
and US sites) and my order wasn't there anymore, I had to re-order, yadda,
yadda, yadda... So I did and I ended up with 4 copies fo the book. It was
rather expensive, seeing as how I had to pay twice for shipping from the US
and then twice from the UK, not to mention for 4 copies of the book... and
for those who have trouble with math, that's twive the amount I was
intending to pay. :) Such joy.

So, this time around I'm doing it "old-school" and forgoing the High Tech
approach, learning to be patient and letting someone else order the book for
me. Then I have somewhere to go instead of furthering any possible
early-stage-agorophobia and just sitting on my
alread-eversized-need-to-work-out-a-bit-more tush and have the UPS guy leave
it on my doorstep 'cause I'm in the middle of my mallowmars and can't be
bothered to get up and greet someone. Once that hardback is on my grubby
little hands I'm going with friends to a coffee shop or 24 hour restaurant
and not resurfacing until I've got that thing read! (Then a breath... then
some nap-time and I'll probably re-read it before the UK edition comes...
after that I assume a complete 3-ring-circus will occur in my head and it's
off and running on a re-read of the entire series).'

But, I digress. I will just be ordering from my friendly local-bookstore. ;)
Sorry, Amazon. I can't afford to trust you again. LOL. Literally...


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  7 22:13:54 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:13:54 -0000
Subject: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eqdiv2+bb8j@eGroups.com>

---  "Jeremiah LaFleur" <hpfreakazoid at ...> wrote:
>
> --- "auntrebbis" <dbkelley@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anhone done this with past releaes? My copies of
> > HP 1-6 are the UK plain 'adult version' and I want to
> > order 7 in the same.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Deb
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> The thing most people in the USA forget is that the UK
> is just a few hundred miles away in a winter wonderland
> called CANADA.
> 
> You can order the UK versions from 'Chapters - Indigo'
> in Canada.
> =========================
> 
> Jeremiah:
> 
> Actually, I don't think of Canada as the UK. ... 
> Canada is it's own country now, aren't they? ...

bboyminn:

Context my friend; context. We are not talking about USA,
Canada, and the UK; we are talking about /ordering/ UK
versions of the Harry Potter books, and relative to
the UK versions of Harry Potter books, the UK is as 
close as Canada.

Put another way, if you are in the USA, you don't have
to order from England and pay all that shipping to get 
the UK versions, you just need to contact a book seller
in Canada.

Also-

Amazon.ca    (Amazon - Canada is also a potential source)

Personally, I just intent to go down to Walmart after 
midnight and buy a copy of the US version.

For OotP I ordered the UK version from Chapters, but,
unlike the beginning of the series, the new UK version
are nearly identical to the USA version.

Only when the social context is not intuitively clear
is a change made. The only change that I'm aware of
in the latest editions is at some point Fred says 
'keep your pecker up' which has a whole different 
meaning in the USA. In the UK, it means take heart,
keep your spirits up. Pecker refers to the heart. 

Other than that one change, I'm not really away of any
others. Most Brit-slang has been intigrated into the
story and people figure it out easy enough on their 
own.

As to the UK edition I recieve from Canada, though I
admire that they printed on recycled paper, the pages
and therefore the printing (typeface) was smaller and 
harder for my poor tired eyes to read. So, I prefer
the USA version for that reason.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn




From dbkelley at adelphia.net  Thu Feb  8 00:32:31 2007
From: dbkelley at adelphia.net (auntrebbis)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:32:31 -0000
Subject: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqdr2v+itj2@eGroups.com>

Thanks, I will check out the Canadian online booksellers, but it sounds 
like ordering another copy locally is the way to be safe.  What exactly 
is the Deluxe edition?  I presumed it had a nicer cover, but not any 
more than that.  

I bought the adult editions because they looked a bit scarier.  I 
didn't know there was artwork inside - there definitely isn't in the 
adult versions.  Other than that, I don't think there are any 
differences in the adult vs. childrens edition.  I'm glad to hear there 
aren't as many differences between the US and UK versions anymore 
either.  WHen I read PS the first time (and knew nothing about it, if 
you can believe that) it was a US copy and it wasn't until Harry and 
Hagrid went to London that I realized they were in the UK.  (This 
probably doesn't say much for me.) So when I ordered the rest, I got 
the UK versions.

Deb




From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb  7 22:46:00 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:46:00 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <eqdiv2+bb8j@eGroups.com>
References: <948bbb470702071325g19f3459an366842db4a5c4f98@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eqdiv2+bb8j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702071446m518ea570gb47c942886110017@mail.gmail.com>

--- "Jeremiah LaFleur" <hpfreakazoid at ...> wrote:
>
> --- "auntrebbis" <dbkelley@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anhone done this with past releaes? My copies of
> > HP 1-6 are the UK plain 'adult version' and I want to
> > order 7 in the same.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Deb
> >
>
> bboyminn:
>
> The thing most people in the USA forget is that the UK
> is just a few hundred miles away in a winter wonderland
> called CANADA.
>
> You can order the UK versions from 'Chapters - Indigo'
> in Canada.
> =========================
>
> Jeremiah:
>
> Actually, I don't think of Canada as the UK. ...
> Canada is it's own country now, aren't they? ...

bboyminn:

Context my friend; context. We are not talking about USA,
Canada, and the UK; we are talking about /ordering/ UK
versions of the Harry Potter books, and relative to
the UK versions of Harry Potter books, the UK is as
close as Canada.

Put another way, if you are in the USA, you don't have
to order from England and pay all that shipping to get
the UK versions, you just need to contact a book seller
in Canada.

Also-

Amazon.ca <http://amazon.ca/> (Amazon - Canada is also a potential source)

Personally, I just intent to go down to Walmart after
midnight and buy a copy of the US version.

For OotP I ordered the UK version from Chapters, but,
unlike the beginning of the series, the new UK version
are nearly identical to the USA version.

Only when the social context is not intuitively clear
is a change made. The only change that I'm aware of
in the latest editions is at some point Fred says
'keep your pecker up' which has a whole different
meaning in the USA. In the UK, it means take heart,
keep your spirits up. Pecker refers to the heart.

Other than that one change, I'm not really away of any
others. Most Brit-slang has been intigrated into the
story and people figure it out easy enough on their
own.

Steve/bboyminn

=========================

Jeremiah:
I see... even still, I would never have thought of getting a UK edition from
Canada. But now I know they have 'em...

We won't talk about Walmart... *sigh* I have to learn to accept that there
are peopel who will shop there... and JKR still gets cash, so I guess it's
best left undisturbed...

I like the idea of using recycled paper but I am still not totally convinced
that it is a paper product that will last the test of time. However, the
amount of paper that will be used to print this last book... yikes... it's
like trying to fathom the size of Jupiter...

Yes, context is very different in the UK edition vs. US edition. they say
nickers, trainers, pitch, pecker and lots of other "confusing" things tha we
yanks have to research to find out the meaning of. I remember after the
release of HBP the Scholastic site had to field a ton of "corrections" to
HBP in which the publisher relied something like, "Harry and his friends are
Brittish. That is how they speak." or something to that effect.it made me
laugh a litte and then remember that the difference in language isn't
addressed in the US. well, not as much as there should be, IMO.


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From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Feb  8 14:43:17 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:43:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
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Are there really different versions??? I always just buy the ones at the
stores here or on amazon.com.... am I missing anything aside from
British-speak in the "adult" versions?
 
Michelle A. Tague
King of Prussia, PA  19406

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[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremiah LaFleur
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:42 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US -
advice?



Has anhone done this with past releaes? My copies of HP 1-6 are the UK
plain 'adult version' and I want to order 7 in the same.

I don't know exactly what anything costs from the UK site, but it
appears that the adult version is about 50% off, but 6-10 day shipping
costs almost as much as the book. 1-2 day shipping (which they say
will ship on 7/19) costs more than twice the amount of the book.

Truthfully, if it would be guaranteed to arrive, I'd pay the shipping.
But I hate to pay and not have it arrive for even a few days. Maybe I
should get slower shipping and order locally to tide myself over.

Anyone have any past experience with this?

Thanks,
Deb
=================================

Jeremiah:

I have the US & UK 1-6. The last few books, when released, I ordered both
and the UK came 7-10 days after the US edition. I found it useful because I
could read the US edition (sometimes twice) and have all the chats and
debates with friends and then the UK would come and something would be
phrased in a different way and then I could pull a "Hermione Granger" and be
superior for the day. LOL.

I'm in San Diego, CA and there's an independant shop here that will order
the UK edition for me. (I get the kids editions because I like the fun
artwork. Screw trying to make it all sophisticated... I'm reading a kid's
book. Am I wrong in thinking that the only difference between the kids and
adult editions are the covers?)

So, IMO, having both is a fantastic idea. I like the intrigue between the
two editions as far as wording and phrasing. Even the meter is different, as
usual when you "translate" anything.

Check for a local Sci-Fi/Horror/Mystery bookstore. They can be an amazing
resource and can offer you similar discounts on the titles you are looking
for. the one here in San Diego, CA is: Mysterious Galaxy. They have a
website:

http://mysteriousga
<http://mysteriousgalaxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp>
laxy.booksense.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp

They might know of one in your area. This one will order the UK edition...
and it's possible they will have it for me for the midnight release... but
I'm not holding my breath. I figure a 10 day period after the US release...
and that's ok with me.

(And, please, if there is a difference between the kids and adult HP series-
besides covers- let me know).

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From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Feb  8 16:03:37 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:03:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c74b8f$7cab0de0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>
References: <eqbfir+k8ec@eGroups.com>
	 <948bbb470702071142k381ece2ah4918f54e4b3f573c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <00ff01c74b8f$7cab0de0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0702080803v7bdf57fcp23d2d28ac8c0a64f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/8/07, Michelle A. Tague <taguem at jmsearch.com> wrote:
> Are there really different versions??? I always just buy the ones at the
> stores here or on amazon.com.... am I missing anything aside from
> British-speak in the "adult" versions?
>
> Michelle A. Tague
> King of Prussia, PA  19406
>

Look, Michelle lives in my [general] area!!  (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Anyway, as far as I can tell and if I recall correctly, there's no
different in the adult and children versions in the UK, only that the
covers don't look the same.  In the US, there are different editions
of the same book, but the actually content is, again, the same; the
covers are also the same, but things like the deluxe edition has
larger versions of the tiny sketches featured atop each chapter
announcement as well as a more substantial enclosure to hold the
hardbound copy.  If you're only worried about content, you can buy any
version and get the same thing, except for the whole "fixing of the
Flints" that happen between first and second issues.  (And just to be
totally obvious, there are differences between the US & UK versions,
but as Steve says, the differences are much less in the later books
than the older ones.)

That's all I know.

~Ali



From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Feb  8 16:57:38 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0702080803v7bdf57fcp23d2d28ac8c0a64f@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00a101c74ba2$41b98190$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

Hi Ali... thanks so much for the response.
 
I have a few Deluxe versions myself... I just wanted to know if it was
really worth it to purchase the UK versions.
 
Anyone know how to get all the longer versions of the movies... like when
you watch them on TBS or something they include scenes that aren't in the
movie releases... just curious..
 
Thanks!
 
Michelle 

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From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P. Alexis Nguyen
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US -
advice?



On 2/8/07, Michelle A. Tague <taguem at jmsearch.
<mailto:taguem%40jmsearch.com> com> wrote:
> Are there really different versions??? I always just buy the ones at the
> stores here or on amazon.com.... am I missing anything aside from
> British-speak in the "adult" versions?
>
> Michelle A. Tague
> King of Prussia, PA 19406
>

Look, Michelle lives in my [general] area!! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Anyway, as far as I can tell and if I recall correctly, there's no
different in the adult and children versions in the UK, only that the
covers don't look the same. In the US, there are different editions
of the same book, but the actually content is, again, the same; the
covers are also the same, but things like the deluxe edition has
larger versions of the tiny sketches featured atop each chapter
announcement as well as a more substantial enclosure to hold the
hardbound copy. If you're only worried about content, you can buy any
version and get the same thing, except for the whole "fixing of the
Flints" that happen between first and second issues. (And just to be
totally obvious, there are differences between the US & UK versions,
but as Steve says, the differences are much less in the later books
than the older ones.)

That's all I know.

~Ali


 


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From jerisueva at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  8 19:39:28 2007
From: jerisueva at yahoo.com (Jeri)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:39:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
Message-ID: <109459.69853.qm@web37104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lily:
I have ordered my Adult UK editions online from this bookstore. I received them in less than 2 weeks and shipping to North America is always free.  The website is www.bookdepository.co.uk 

Also FYI: if you google "currency converter" you will find online tools for just about every currency you can think of. An easy way to convert USD to GBP is to double it. For instance if something is ten pounds think of it as 20 american dollars minus a few dollars. Currency rates are constantly in flux but this is a quick way to get an idea without a converter at hand.

Hope this helps!

Lily


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From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Feb  8 22:05:55 2007
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:05:55 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
Message-ID: <009d01c74bcd$50584710$f108d530$@com>

Hi All,

Ali answered Michelle:
>>> just to be totally obvious, there are differences between the US & UK
versions, but as Steve says, the differences are much less in the later
books than the older ones <<<

Generally that's true. I think the publishers have realised that there is an
appetite from their American readers for the books' Britishisms. But for me
the most significant difference comes in "Harry Potter and the Half Blood
Prince". A bunch of us pored over it the day before Accio 2005 opened in
Reading. Here are the two passages. 

First the UK:

'Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely
than you can possibly imagine. What is more, I can send members of the Order
to your mother tonight to hide her likewise. Your father is safe at the
moment in Azkaban...when the time comes, we can protect him too... come over
to the right side, Draco...you are not a killer...'

Now the USA:

'Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely
than you can possibly imagine. What is more, I can send members of the Order
to your mother tonight to hide her likewise. Nobody would be surprised that
you had died in your attempt to kill me -- forgive me, but Lord Voldemort
probably expects it. Nor would the Death Eaters be surprised that we had
captured and killed your mother -- it is what they would do themselves,
after all. Your father is safe at the moment in Azkaban...when the time
comes, we can protect him too. Come over to the right side, Draco...you are
not a killer...'

The significance (IMHO) is the clause "nor would the Death Eaters be
surprised that we had captured and killed your mother". I'm clinging to the
idea that none of the Order have been seen to kill (except dear old Snape),
and that this is an important part of their credo (i.e. the chance of
redemption). The American version rather suggests that killing on both sides
is commonplace.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS Is there a rule about being too on-topic for OTChatter? Just in case I'll
insert some random news. My daughter Meg was 14 on Saturday, boy I'm feeling
old. We had 11 girls round for a sleepover and it ain't a big house!


	
	
		
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From lysles3 at aol.com  Fri Feb  9 13:30:25 2007
From: lysles3 at aol.com (lysles3 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:30:25 EST
Subject: Deluxe edition?
Message-ID: <d13.63fc9e6.32fdd171@aol.com>

I saw on the B&N website that there is a deluxe edition being offered  (as 
someone was asking), but I don't see what the difference is besides about  
$20.00.  Anyone know?  

Y Hilaire




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From: tholex20 at yahoo.com (tholex20)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:23:10 -0000
Subject: Kids Birthday Party
Message-ID: <eqi04e+a9i7@eGroups.com>



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From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 16:50:37 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:50:37 -0000
Subject: Deadly hollows JKR's "FAVORITE BOOK" of the series!...
Message-ID: <eqi8ot+sh7e@eGroups.com>

Eggplant:

after all, nobody really enjoys reading the Bible
> or The Quotations Of Chairman Mao

Lynda:

I've neither looked for, nor plan to make it a point to find the 
Qoatations
of Chairman Mao, but as for the Bible, I read it daily, of my own 
free will,
not because my faith says I have to but because I like reading the 
Bible.

Lynda
===========================

Jeremiah:
I have to defend Eggplant for a sec. I'm sure she didn't mean to 
offend anyone: Christians and Communists alike.

I know what eggplant was going after in her message and I totally 
agree... to me, the Bible is interesting but it's not a "page-
turner." Nor would I ever wait on line at midnight for a new release 
of it. Maybe in it's day it was the HP of the Ancient World, but... 
well... Ya know. It's a great read for people of faith and 
interresting to those of us who don't concider ourselves Christian. 
(I kinda do but most other christians don't... and it's no biggie). 
And please, no evangelizing... But that's for the thought. :)

Now, as a Communist..... LOL. OK! Just kidding I'm more a Socialist 
so I don't care about the Chairman's writings. :P

But as it pertains to the stories... well, ok... It doesn't and this 
discussion should go OTChatter ASAP. :) LOL

So I guess I'll do that...




From dbkelley at adelphia.net  Fri Feb  9 18:33:21 2007
From: dbkelley at adelphia.net (auntrebbis)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:33:21 -0000
Subject: What line/party to attend?
Message-ID: <eqieph+g1ts@eGroups.com>

The small bookstore in my hometown is taking preorders and having a 
party on the 20th to wait for the release at midnight.  They said there 
will be people in costume, etc. and it sounds like fun, but I'd have to 
attend by myself.  On the other hand, if I order from Borders (about 
half hour's drive) my husband will go with me and just hang out in 
Borders.  I'm assuming they will be open because they're open until 
midnight on Friday anyway.  

Is it worth going to a party or will I just end up grabbing my book and 
running home.  This is my first year - I just started reading the 
series about a year ago.  I'm sort of leaning towards the local 
bookstore/party just to have the experience.

For those of you who pick up your books at midnight, what are your 
thoughts on parties, waiting, etc?

Deb




From legrinstl at charter.net  Fri Feb  9 18:45:35 2007
From: legrinstl at charter.net (legrinstl at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:45:35 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What line/party to attend?
Message-ID: <1313570258.1171046735650.JavaMail.root@fepweb12>

Borders Books in Sunset Hills (suburb of St. Louis, Missouri) is having a huge party for the release of Deathly Hallows.

They plan on decorating the store to look as much like the great hall as they can.  They have plans for giving out Marauders Maps to show where the activities will be and also they will have "Dumbledore's Army".  

Dumbledore's Army is a group of costumers and actors that portray major characters from Rowlings' world.  I'm Professor Sinistra, the Astronomy Professor.  We have a Dumbledore, Hagrid, Professors Snape, McGonagall, Trelawney, Sprout, and Flitwick.  We've all worked very hard on our costumes and the kids love us.  

We've made appearances at the book release parties for 5 and 6 and also been at the premiers of POA and GOF.

If you live near the St. Louis area or will be vacationing here on 7/20/07, you need to stop by.

Also, you all should check your local bookstores and see if they are doing a HP party.  If not, they might decide to.

Eleanna (aka as Prof. Eleanna Sinistra)



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  9 18:59:29 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:59:29 -0000
Subject: Deluxe edition?
In-Reply-To: <d13.63fc9e6.32fdd171@aol.com>
Message-ID: <eqigah+c5gh@eGroups.com>

---  lysles3 at ... wrote:
>
> I saw on the B&N website that there is a deluxe 
> edition being offered  (as someone was asking), but I
> don't see what the difference is besides about  
> $20.00.  Anyone know?  
> 
> Y Hilaire

bboyminn:

I suspect the book cover you are seeing on-line is
really a publisher-authorized place holder for the
real book covers.

Keep in mind the the manuscript has just been released
to the publisher. It will take time for them to come
up with appropraite graphics for the real cover.

Also, what you are seeing is not the book itself but
the paper dust jacket that covers the book. For the
Deluxe edition, I'm assuming the quality of the paper,
size of the print, and the hard cover are improved over
the standard consumer version.

Steve/bboyminn




From bumbledor at comcast.net  Fri Feb  9 18:44:36 2007
From: bumbledor at comcast.net (bumbledor)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:44:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What line/party to attend?
References: <eqieph+g1ts@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c74c7a$592b00a0$6401a8c0@bumbledor>

Go to PARTY and dragg Hubbie with you.
It will be the last book party  (for Harry Potter series) so it should be a 
blow out.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What line/party to attend?


> The small bookstore in my hometown is taking preorders and having a
> party on the 20th to wait for the release at midnight.  They said there
> will be people in costume, etc. and it sounds like fun, but I'd have to
> attend by myself.  On the other hand, if I order from Borders (about
> half hour's drive) my husband will go with me and just hang out in
> Borders.  I'm assuming they will be open because they're open until
> midnight on Friday anyway.
>
> Is it worth going to a party or will I just end up grabbing my book and
> running home.  This is my first year - I just started reading the
> series about a year ago.  I'm sort of leaning towards the local
> bookstore/party just to have the experience.
>
> For those of you who pick up your books at midnight, what are your
> thoughts on parties, waiting, etc?
>
> Deb
>
>
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From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 19:12:37 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:12:37 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What line/party to attend?
In-Reply-To: <1313570258.1171046735650.JavaMail.root@fepweb12>
References: <1313570258.1171046735650.JavaMail.root@fepweb12>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702091112h1ba17e61p836ca6a6b6443970@mail.gmail.com>

The small bookstore in my hometown is taking preorders and having a
party on the 20th to wait for the release at midnight. They said there
will be people in costume, etc. and it sounds like fun, but I'd have to
attend by myself. On the other hand, if I order from Borders (about
half hour's drive) my husband will go with me and just hang out in
Borders. I'm assuming they will be open because they're open until
midnight on Friday anyway.

Is it worth going to a party or will I just end up grabbing my book and
running home. This is my first year - I just started reading the
series about a year ago. I'm sort of leaning towards the local
bookstore/party just to have the experience.

For those of you who pick up your books at midnight, what are your
thoughts on parties, waiting, etc?

==================================

Jeremiah:

I've never been a big supporter of dressing like the characters, but I do
knit scarves and hats from the film and my own imaginaton.

But it's fun to see others do it, if they are so inclined.

I found out that my local Sci-Fi/Horror/Mystery book Store will have its
doors open at midnight to accomodate the release. :) I can't believe I'm
going to go to one again, actually.

I went to GoF and it was a chain store near my house. There wew families all
over the place and that's cool with me. What freaked me out was being the
only single person in the store (I was way ahead of my friends at the time)
and I stood in line with all the parents who talked aobut how late it was,
what they were doing the next day... and I thought "Wholy crap. I'm a geek!"
A parent turned to me and asked where my kid was. I panicked... "At home.
She's asleep." (let me remind you.. I don't have any kids. I was saving
face! Manuver! Manuver!! Serpentine! Run hard, Run fast....) "Awe. And
you're gonna suprise her with the book in the morning?" She asked.. "Yup.
Over her pancakes and sausage." *collective awwwww* from the parentals in
line. :) I'm a liar. And a closet Harry Potter fan.

Since then I've come out about my true reading tastes. It's not a choice. I
have to read good fiction and I think I was born that way. ;)

I say GO! go and have fun. Enjoy the little shin-dig all by yourself. you'll
meet others who are into the series and they'll probably want to meet for
coffee (or, if you'r one of my friends it's beer and margaritas and The Hole
in San Diego, CA. Smoking, drinking, laughing... inappropriate discussions
about the possibility of Prof McGonagall and Prof Sprout being lesbian
lovers... lol.. Still makes me giggle.) So, since it's your alst chance to
do somethin glike this and there will be locals I would encourage you to do
it. Make your husband go with you, too. He lust learn to embrace you for
what you are. An HP fan!

Jeremiah: (How has knit a most fantastic Gryffindor hat for his friend Tisha
and hopes to make many, many more... also, he is waiting for the release of
*Charmed Knits: Projects for Fans of Harry Potter )*


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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  9 19:14:00 2007
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:14:00 -0000
Subject: What line/party to attend?
In-Reply-To: <eqieph+g1ts@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqih5o+c1i0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "auntrebbis" <dbkelley at ...> 
wrote:
>
> The small bookstore in my hometown is taking preorders and having a 
> party on the 20th to wait for the release at midnight.  They said 
there 
> will be people in costume, etc. and it sounds like fun, but I'd 
have to 
> attend by myself.  On the other hand, if I order from Borders 
(about 
> half hour's drive) my husband will go with me and just hang out in 
> Borders.  I'm assuming they will be open because they're open until 
> midnight on Friday anyway.  
> 
> Is it worth going to a party or will I just end up grabbing my book 
and 
> running home.  This is my first year - I just started reading the 
> series about a year ago.  I'm sort of leaning towards the local 
> bookstore/party just to have the experience.
> 
> For those of you who pick up your books at midnight, what are your 
> thoughts on parties, waiting, etc?
> 
> Deb
>

I can't tell you which planned activities will be more fun, your 
independent bookstore's, or Borders's.  It all depends on the people 
putting on the party.  But either way, the party ends at midnight, 
when everyone there lines up for their copy(ies) of the book and goes 
home to read.  And read.  And read.

The Borders by me hands out numbered "tickets" beginning early in the 
evening, and the earlier you get there, the lower your number, so the 
sooner after midnight you get your book and get out of there.  And, 
there were *hundreds* of people there, so I imagine it took quite a 
while to get to the last one.

I've never been to an indie bookstore's party, but to two different 
chain store's parties, and they are not really much fun unless you 
are there with friends.  It seems I will be going to the Borders 
party again this year, because all three of my kids want to go, but I 
certainly hope to hang out with some of the other moms.

Annemehr






From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Fri Feb  9 19:26:54 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:26:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Deluxe edition?
In-Reply-To: <eqigah+c5gh@eGroups.com>
References: <d13.63fc9e6.32fdd171@aol.com> <eqigah+c5gh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0702091126k30d331e4n15c4bda1e51f8ad3@mail.gmail.com>

bboyminn:
> Also, what you are seeing is not the book itself but
> the paper dust jacket that covers the book. For the
> Deluxe edition, I'm assuming the quality of the paper,
> size of the print, and the hard cover are improved over
> the standard consumer version.


This might be true, but since I don't pay attention to that sort of
thing, I can't tell.

In any case, the deluxe edition is only marginally different from the
standard hardbound.  In the back of the book, there are larger
renditions of the chapter art with an excerpted sentence from said
chapter - was this in standard hardbound versions?  I don't think so
but can't recall exactly; there is also a hard enclosure in which the
hardbound book resides.  For book 6, the enclosure featured the
picture on the dust jacket and a copy of JKR's signature on the top
flap.  In short, the differences are largly superficial, leaving it up
to you to decide if those differences are worth the extra $20.

~Ali



From kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  9 21:36:26 2007
From: kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com (Kayla Pittillo)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:36:26 -0000
Subject: Deadly hollows JKR's "FAVORITE BOOK" of the series!...
In-Reply-To: <eqi8ot+sh7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqipgq+emu7@eGroups.com>

> Eggplant:
> > after all, nobody really enjoys reading the Bible
> > or The Quotations Of Chairman Mao
>
> Lynda:
> I've neither looked for, nor plan to make it a point to
> find the Qoatations of Chairman Mao, but as for the Bible,
> I read it daily, of my own free will, not because my faith
> says I have to but because I like reading the Bible.
>
> Jeremiah:
> I have to defend Eggplant for a sec. I'm sure she didn't
> mean to offend anyone: Christians and Communists alike.
>
> I know what eggplant was going after in her message and I
> totally agree... to me, the Bible is interesting but it's
> not a "page-turner." <snip> It's a great read for people of
> faith and interesting to those of us who don't concider
> ourselves Christian. <snip>
>
> Now, as a Communist..... LOL. OK! Just kidding I'm more a
> Socialist so I don't care about the Chairman's writings. :P


I have to agree with Eggplant and Jeremiah as well. I don't
consider myself a Christian, and while I find parts in the bible
interesting and useful, I can't bring myself to agree with every
little bit in it.
Some of the things some of the "godly" men do are outright
frightening and far worse than what Voldemort did, in my opinion.
How can a man who knows love (like David) not be held accountable
for murder (Uriah the Hittite) while his unborn child by Uriah's
wife (Bathsheba) be forfit because of David's crime?

as for Chairman Mao... maybe his beliefs worked for China, maybe
they didn't, but they don't work for most of the Western world,
and never will.

Hestia



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  9 23:11:21 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:11:21 -0000
Subject: The Mythic Hero, Harry Potter, and Ender Wiggin
Message-ID: <eqiv2p+ppku@eGroups.com>

Attached is a link to an essay about Ender Wiggin of 
"Ender's Game" fame. It talks about how the author Orson
Scott Card has created a Heroic Monomyth in the Ender 
saga. 

http://www.starshineandshadows.com/essays/2004-03-15.html

"Myth is as real as human concerns are real. It is when 
we lose our ability to feel the mythic that we lose 
contact with that which is most basically and universally 
human. In a real sense a society loses its soul when it
can no longer experience myth." 
(essay quoting from Leeming, David Adams. 
Mythology: The Voyage of the Hero).

I think you will find great parallels between Ender and
Harry. I have always said that a great part of the reason
that Harry Potter is so universally loved, is that the 
story touches us deep down at some universal 'mythical' 
level. In a sense, JKR hasn't simply told Harry's story,
she has told /everyman's/ story (every woman's too); the
core universal story that is at the heart of our meaning
and existance.

Referencing Leeming quote above, when we read Harry, 
Ender, or Bean we are experiencing myth. Not reading it, 
but experiencing it. To be able to do this, is to have a 
soul, to experience, to understand, to empathized, deep 
in our hearts what the character experiences. It goes 
beyond a technically well written story, because, quite 
frankly, many /technical/ stories are dry as toast. 

Every great work of literature touches us on this deeper
level. It creates its own mythology. Can anyone doubt that
Harry Potter has done this? For those who have wandered 
through the Enderverse, can you deny that the myth and 
legends of Ender and Bean do not live in your hearts? 

Notice that Ender fans speak of the Enderverse just as 
Harry Potter fans speak of the Potterverse, you know 
you've touch on something important when an author has 
not only created a story, but has created the very real 
preception of a 'universe'. 

For those who don't know, Ender and Bean are characters
from the book... 

Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

Bean's unique and touching story is told in the separate... 

Ender's Shadow series

Each series includes the original plus three additional
books. All eight books are a captivating stories of true
mythic-proportion heroes. There is an additonal book called
'First Meetings' that fills in some of the backstory on 
Ender and his family. 


For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  9 23:21:05 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:21:05 -0000
Subject: The Mythic Hero, Harry Potter, and Ender Wiggin
In-Reply-To: <eqiv2p+ppku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqivl1+u36h@eGroups.com>

Attached Link - SPOILER Warning for Enders Game.

I should have pointed this out in the original post, but
the essay linked to analyses 'Enders Game' indepth, and
therefore has substantial SPOILERs for those who haven't
read the book.

Steve/bboyminn




From seuferer at netins.net  Sat Feb 10 02:02:45 2007
From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:02:45 -0000
Subject: Fiery Inception - A Harry Potter RPG for Grown Up WRITERS!
Message-ID: <eqj945+nnmr@eGroups.com>


We are now approaching our one-year anniversary for this game, and would
like to continue growing our adult wizarding-world population.  We are
very different from the vast majority of the role-playing games "out
there".


Have you LOOKED at FIERY INCEPTION
<http://community.livejournal.com/fiery_inception/>  ? We are a WRITER'S
game, a GROWN-UPS game! We have a LOT of fun exploring the Wide
Wizarding World beyond Hogwarts (no Mun-played 'students' or classes),
dabbling in politics, businesses, Ministry idiocy, scary situations with
still-lingering Death Eaters and much more.

Are you both excited and a bit nervous about the release of Book Seven?
Are you looking for a way to enjoy fandom while you eagerly wait? Do you
need a bit of reassurance that no matter whom JKR 'kills off', your
favourite characters will still live-on in the fandom? Come check us
out!

No matter what happens in Deathly Hollows, Fiery Inception will continue
its existing plots and story-lines without disruption.

It is not remotely an exaggeration to say we have some of the best
quality, most dedicated writers in the role-play fandom. We are an
epic-style game, nearly to our one-year game anniversary and going
strong! If you are a long-term player with a dedication to your
character, this is the game for you!

    *  No 'one liners'!
    *  Slash-friendly, but, we do not suffer from the dreaded "Everyone
Is Gay At Hogwarts" Syndrome!
    *  Very involved plots - both admin and player-driven!
    *  Creative game premise with plenty of room for player sub-plots!
    *  Excellent writing quality!
    *  Player and Admin dedication is exemplary!
    *  Paid Main community for better layout, organization and commitment
- we are here for the long haul.
    *  Strong Admin commitment to accept only high-quality players to
keep overall game quality HIGH.

------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-

"In ashes of despaire, though burnt, shall make thee live." --Sir Philip
Sidney, Arcadia

------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-

    *  Canon through HBP, game started March 1, 2006 - please note: As
the game setting began three years beyond HBP, Muns have complete
liberty in regards to HBP romantic relationships.
    *  Game setting began in 2000, now is 2001, began the day after
Voldemort's defeat
    *  Age 18 and up, only
    *  Original adult characters permitted, defined as at least 5 years
older than the Trio, within very stringent guidelines, see rules.

Please Note: The Admin team for this game consists of three individuals
ranging in age from 27 to nearly 40, most of whom have played together
for over three years. This is not a fly-by-night, quick to die game!
Apply with confidence!

Come Here: http://fi-promo.livejournal.com/4648.html
<http://fi-promo.livejournal.com/4648.html>  for more details and
information links!



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From retired153 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 02:24:49 2007
From: retired153 at yahoo.com (j15300)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:24:49 -0000
Subject: Amazing grace url
Message-ID: <eqjadh+n3os@eGroups.com>

Http://www.willard-wigan.com/art.html




From joseph at kirtland.com  Sat Feb 10 16:56:55 2007
From: joseph at kirtland.com (Joe Bento)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:56:55 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
In-Reply-To: <eqba6q+ssds@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqktgn+b9ap@eGroups.com>

It looks as though the London prices are right in line with my former
hometown area of San Mateo in the San Francisco Bay Area.  I was
paying $1500 US a month for an 800 square foot apartment. 

Insane, if you ask me!  I now own a 3500 square foot home in Utah.

Joe



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Once again I have been browsing London Real Estate and spending the
> Lottery money I haven't won yet. 
> 
> Tonight I was primarily looking the the Fullham and Battlesea areas. 
> 
> A typical nice but not great London Flat 600 to 1,000 square feet is
> about ?350,000 or about US$690,000. Keep in mind this is for a small
> but reasonably nice 2 bedroom apartment. (convertion rate 1.97)
> 
> Houses in the same area were in the ?500,000 to ?1,000,000 for some
> relatively nice houses. I saw a few I wouldn't mind having.
> (US$985,000 to US$1,970,000). 
> 
> Though I saw a REALLY nice Row House, absolutely first rate for a mere
> US$7,000,000. Of course, if I win the lottery, $7,000,000 for a
> vacation home in London is nothing. The mortgage payments on this
> place are just under $40,000/mo.
> 
>
http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?sale_rent=1&ID=2720&rNo=43&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=450000&price2_fld=99999999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=2&area2=2&area6=6&thetype_fld=1
> 
> I did see a really nice flat near Battersea Park on Battersea Park
> road for a mere ?310,000. (US$$611,000). Within easy walking distance
> of the 200 acre Battersea Park which is right on the Thames River, and
> reasonable walking distance (though a bit long) to Hyde Park, St.
> James Park, and New Covent Garden Market. 
> 
>
http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/details.php?sale_rent=1&ID=2459&rNo=0&sale_rent=1&price1_fld=150000&price2_fld=99999999&bedroom1_fld=0&bedroom2_fld=2&ptype_fld=0&area2=2&thetype_fld=1
> 
> If you would like to indulge your fantasies, look at -
> 
>
http://www.douglasandgordon.com/dng/buy/train.php?sale_rent=1&sec=1&id=1&thetype=1
> 
> Also, you can rent Flats, furnished and unfurnished, for about ?300 to
> ?500 pounds. That seem fair. (US$600 to $1,000 per month)
> 
> It's all just for fun.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>





From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb 10 20:26:24 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:26:24 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
In-Reply-To: <eqktgn+b9ap@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eql9pg+fgs6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Joe Bento" <joseph at ...> wrote:
>
> It looks as though the London prices are right in line with my former
> hometown area of San Mateo in the San Francisco Bay Area.  I was
> paying $1500 US a month for an 800 square foot apartment. 

Maybe a year ago, there was a little article on the BBC Website about
a former stairwell being converted into a London flat of 75 square
feet. I've tried web search and can't find the article so my vague and
unreliable memory is it was offered for sale for half a million
dollars. Here in Los Angeles, that much money will get you a detached
house or a two or three bedroom flat.

Maybe a month ago, there was another article I can't find in web
search, about a 30 square foot former 'janitor's closet' being offered
for sale as a London flat. The buyer will have additional expenses to
remove the trash currently filling it and install electricity,
lighting, and plumbing; the seller's real estate agent describes it as
an 'incredibly depressing' space. I really wish I could remember the
asking price of this one.




From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 13:45:14 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:45:14 -0000
Subject: Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry Potter
Message-ID: <eqki9a+b2sn@eGroups.com>

A new Harry Potter knitting & crafts book will out shortly.  This 
would make a great gift for the crafter or knitter in your life.

*

>From Alison Hansel's Blue Blog:

My biggest work in progress of the last year, my book! It should be
out by May and now I can finally tell you about it. Sneak peeks of
the Potter projects coming soon as well as a knitalong to gear up for
the movie release (July 13th) and Book 7 release
(July 21st)!


http://alison.knitsmiths.us/002108.html

**********

Time is making fools of us again. ~J.K. Rowling, "The Secret
Riddle," Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, 2005

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 23:33:41 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:33:41 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
In-Reply-To: <eql9pg+fgs6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqlkol+jhgh@eGroups.com>

--- "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
 
> Maybe a year ago, there was a little article on the
> BBC Website about a former stairwell being converted 
> into a London flat of 75 square feet. ... Here in Los
> Angeles, that much money will get you a detached
> house or a two or three bedroom flat.
> 

bboyminn:

For those who haven't taken the time to figure that out
it is 8.6 feet square. That is the size of a very small
bedroom.

As to the prices in Los Angeles, I suspect that depends
on whether the place is IN Los Angeles or just /near/ Los
Angeles. I've seen small cottages in LA that were a 
million dollars. I'm sure outside the city in some of the
more residential working class suburbs, you can get more
than a cottage for $1,000,000. Also, I'm under the 
impression that Los Angeles city real estate is very
volitile. If the market is hot, shacks are selling
for a million. If the market is cold, people are
losing their shirts on shacks they bought for a 
million dollars. I suspect London real estate is a
better investment.

> Catlady:
> Maybe a month ago, there was another article I can't 
> find in web search, about a 30 square foot former 
> 'janitor's closet' being offered for sale as a London
> flat. The buyer will have additional expenses to remove
> the trash currently filling it and install electricity,
> lighting, and plumbing; the seller's real estate agent 
> describes it as an 'incredibly depressing' space. 

bboyminn:

For the record, 30 Sq.Ft. is 5.5 feet by 5.5 feet. That is 
the size of a nice closet or a small bathroom. But again,
I think this was probably right in the heart of London;
prime real estate. You'd never get away with that in 
the suburbs. Keep in mind that most beds, and yes, most
people, are longer than 5.5 feet. 

You can't touch a decent flat in Fulham or Battersea
for less than US$600,000 and you would be hard pressed
to find a house for less than US$1,000,000.

Though it is none of my business, I would like the 
specification and price on the house the Dan Radcliffe's
parents live in. My impression is that Fulham is a 
desirable neighborhood, and it is very close to the 
main areas of London; within walking distance if you
are a strong walker and very near prime parklands. Also,
I suspect any land near the Thames River is considered 
prime real estate now. 

At the time I was doing this, the lottery was up to 
nearly $300,000,000. I could afford a vacation place 
in London with that cash, but it is down to about
$30,000,000 now and I don't think that is quite 
enough for such a luxury. Keep in mind you only get
to keep one third of the total, the rest (2/3) goes
to taxes. Of course, if you don't win, you don't get
to keep anything.

I wish I knew more about the various London 
neighborhoods. I could maybe find some better prices.
I did see one flat that had an exterior shot. Inside,
the place looked great, but outside, it was a very 
bland old building. But I suspect people in London
relate to old buildings differently than someone
like myself from the USA. They probably look at it
and think it has character.

Steve/bboyminn




From wuff at internode.on.net  Sat Feb 10 23:36:09 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:36:09 +1100
Subject: New werewolf movie
In-Reply-To: <eqi04e+a9i7@eGroups.com>
References: <eqi04e+a9i7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45CE56E9.6030301@internode.on.net>

http://www.reelzchannel.com/moviedetail.aspx?movieid=223671&gclid=COadkfzxpIoCFTQkGAodpHTCug

Wolfie!


-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From alison.williams at virgin.net  Sun Feb 11 13:23:28 2007
From: alison.williams at virgin.net (Alison Williams)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:23:28 -0000
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
In-Reply-To: <1171198629.445.79180.m20@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <45ABDE1A00207C6D@n068.sc1.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net)


You can find the janitor's closet article here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6287375.stm

A mere ?170,000!  :-)

I found the flat I'm living in through the Rightmove site, and it's fun for
general browsing and getting an idea what different areas are like.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/

Alison







From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Feb 11 16:44:44 2007
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Feb 2007 16:44:44 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/11/2007, 11:00 am 
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From tomeeasyas123 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 11 05:55:24 2007
From: tomeeasyas123 at yahoo.com (Sandy)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:55:24 -0000
Subject: Letting you all in on a little HP secret of mine...
Message-ID: <eqmb4c+klgk@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone,

  I know I'm new here, but I want let you all in on this HUGE, Harry
  Potter store. I have never found this much harry Potter stuff in one
  place and with so many categories.

~Sandy

* THE HOGWARTS' SCHOOL STORE *
<http://astore.amazon.com/harry-potter1-20>



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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Feb 11 18:40:17 2007
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From juli17 at aol.com  Sun Feb 11 22:39:56 2007
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:39:56 EST
Subject: London Real Estate Browse
Message-ID: <cb7.9d4d1bb.3300f53c@aol.com>



bboyminn:

For those who haven't taken the time to figure that  out
it is 8.6 feet square. That is the size of a very  small
bedroom.

As to the prices in Los Angeles, I suspect that  depends
on whether the place is IN Los Angeles or just /near/  Los
Angeles. I've seen small cottages in LA that were a 
million  dollars. I'm sure outside the city in some of the
more residential working  class suburbs, you can get more
than a cottage for $1,000,000. Also, I'm  under the 
impression that Los Angeles city real estate is  very
volitile. If the market is hot, shacks are selling
for a million.  If the market is cold, people are
losing their shirts on shacks they bought  for a 
million dollars. I suspect London real estate is a
better  investment.
 
Julie:
Actually, Los Angeles real estate is relatively stable. Yes, it
goes up and down in tune with the market, but not so much
as in other areas of the U.S. Whether you'd end up losing 
your shirt or not often depends more on what type of mortage
loan you take out. And Los Angeles, like most large cities,
is all about the neighborhoods. There are moderately priced 
homes (for that market anyway) and there are one bedroom
cottages for more than a million (usually on or very near the
beach). That old adage is nowhere more true than in  California...
location is Everything!
 
 
 
Julie 
(in Orange County, which is near Los Angeles--to the  south--
and generally *more* expensive, which is why I'm very glad I
bought before the market surged to prices beyond the means
of average people like me)
 

 


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 00:25:02 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:25:02 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Sorry.... NME's?
Message-ID: <eqoc4u+18ij@eGroups.com>

Here is an exerpt from a recent interview with Dan
Radcliffe at the Times Online -

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/stage/theatre/article1353034.ece

"He will listen to his new music in a bedroom stuffed 
with piles of old NMEs that his mother, Marcia, is 
constantly asking him to chuck out."

What are NME's? They use the term as if every person 
should just automatically understand it. I suspect
if I lived in London, I would understand, but I
don't, so I don't.

Could someone please explain?

Steve/bboyminn





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 00:56:59 2007
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:56:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: Sorry.... NME's?
In-Reply-To: <eqoc4u+18ij@eGroups.com>
References: <eqoc4u+18ij@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1171241821.35F7EE87@bd12.dngr.org>


On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 7:49 pm, Steve wrote:
> Here is an exerpt from a recent interview with Dan
> Radcliffe at the Times Online -
>
> http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/stage/theatre/article1353034.ece
>
> "He will listen to his new music in a bedroom stuffed
> with piles of old NMEs that his mother, Marcia, is
> constantly asking him to chuck out."
>
> What are NME's?

New Musican Express. British music magazine since the 50s? 60s? Sorta 
like a mix of billboard and rolling stone. They cover the indie scene 
very intently and are a prime resource/devotion for music-obsessed 
teens.

And I still have some copies from the mid 80s featuring Pet Shop Boys, 
XTC, The Fall, Hue & Cry, Erasure and Love & Rockets, and a permasearch 
on eBay for a cassete of their for-charity remake of Sgt Pepper that 
came out circa 1987.....


Heidi



From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Feb 12 01:45:12 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:45:12 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit-Speak: Sorry.... NME's?
In-Reply-To: <1171241821.35F7EE87@bd12.dngr.org>
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> And I still have some copies from the mid 80s featuring Pet Shop Boys, 
> XTC, The Fall, Hue & Cry, Erasure and Love & Rockets, and a permasearch 
> on eBay for a cassete of their for-charity remake of Sgt Pepper that 
> came out circa 1987.....

I'm going to doalive internet radio broadcast as soon as my throat 
clears upand I work out how to run the software.

I am an 80s nut, but I'm also fairly forgetful ;)

I prefer the English 80s scene
The rare stuff is the fun stuff.

Big PSB, Spandau Ballet, Human League, Culture club fan.

Send me a few reminders would you, especially of any comedy tracks
around that time, a lot of English stuff made it to Australia but
I was DJing at a real radio station and would spot the English charts
which often had a few songs we never got here.


Wolfie!
-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From maria8162001 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 14:18:02 2007
From: maria8162001 at yahoo.com (Maria Vaerewyck)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:18:02 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
Message-ID: <eqpsuq+6qhq@eGroups.com>

Hello, I'm wondering if anyone had been to Leaky Cauldron recently? I 
found this interview of Dan R. posted in Leaky last February 10, 
here's the link to the said interview; http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org/#article:9497. Dan said JKR came down to the set and he 
said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?" And Jo said, "Oh I just 
needed a break from the book- Dumbledore's giving me a lot of 
trouble." And Dan said, "But isn't he dead?" and she said, "Well, yeah 
but it's more complex..."

Well, does this mean we are going to see more of Dumbledore in book 7? 
But in what form, as ghost or reborn like a phoenix? But she said DD's 
not going to pull a Gandalf but if he's reborn like a phoenix then 
it's still Gandalf like. But I guess one thing is certain, he's still 
going to give advice to Harry or help him on his search for the 
Horcrux. what do you think. Oh, I can't wait to read the book 7. 
Cheers.





From kkersey at swbell.net  Mon Feb 12 17:06:12 2007
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:06:12 -0000
Subject: Deluxe edition?
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0702091126k30d331e4n15c4bda1e51f8ad3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eqq6q4+40h3@eGroups.com>

The American standard and Deluxe editions of HBP have different cover
art: the Deluxe edition shows Dumbledore and Harry in the woods as
they approach the Guant house; the standard edition shows DD and Harry
peering into the stone basin. 

The Scholastic press release was quoted in this article at the Leaky
Cualdron, but unfortunately the link to the artwork is dead. I'm sure
the image is available somehwere, perhaps in their gallery section.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=7291

"The Deluxe Edition includes a 32-page insert featuring near scale
reproductions of Mary GrandPre's interior art, as well as
never-before-seen full-color frontispiece art on special paper. The
custom designed slipcase is foil-stamped and inside is a full-cloth
case book, blind-stamped on front and back cover, foil stamped on
spine. The book includes full-color endpapers with jacket art from the
trade edition and a wraparound jacket featuring exclusive art from
Mary GrandPre. The deluxe edition will be a total of 704 pages and
have a retail value of $60.00; the print run will be 100,000 copies."

I googled "HBP frontispiece" and found an image - the illustration is
from Chapter 2, showing the fox on the riverbank with Narcissa and
Bellatrix in the background. 

I liked the Deluxe cover art, but not enough to pay for it myself,
especially since I'd already ordered and paid for a copy of the
standard edition. I have seen the Deluxe Edition in a bookstore, but
they were shrinkwrapped so I can't comment on the difference in
quality of the binding etc. Having a slipcase might be worth at least
some of the difference in price, though. 


Elisabet






From legrinstl at charter.net  Mon Feb 12 17:23:10 2007
From: legrinstl at charter.net (legrinstl at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 9:23:10 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
Message-ID: <2004934977.1171300990228.JavaMail.root@fepweb04>

It could be his portrait in the Headmasters office.  All of the other Headmasters had their portraits done.

Eleanna

---- Maria Vaerewyck <maria8162001 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Hello, I'm wondering if anyone had been to Leaky Cauldron recently? I 
> found this interview of Dan R. posted in Leaky last February 10, 
> here's the link to the said interview; http://www.the-leaky-
> cauldron.org/#article:9497. Dan said JKR came down to the set and he 
> said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?" And Jo said, "Oh I just 
> needed a break from the book- Dumbledore's giving me a lot of 
> trouble." And Dan said, "But isn't he dead?" and she said, "Well, yeah 
> but it's more complex..."
> 
> Well, does this mean we are going to see more of Dumbledore in book 7? 
> But in what form, as ghost or reborn like a phoenix? But she said DD's 
> not going to pull a Gandalf but if he's reborn like a phoenix then 
> it's still Gandalf like. But I guess one thing is certain, he's still 
> going to give advice to Harry or help him on his search for the 
> Horcrux. what do you think. Oh, I can't wait to read the book 7. 
> Cheers.
> 
> 




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 19:19:48 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:19:48 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
In-Reply-To: <eqpsuq+6qhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eqqekk+tqje@eGroups.com>

---  "Maria Vaerewyck" <maria8162001 at ...> wrote:
>
> ... interview of Dan R. posted in Leaky last February
> 10, ... And Jo said, "Oh I just needed a break from 
> the book- Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble." ...
> 
> Well, does this mean we are going to see more of 
> Dumbledore in book 7? 
> ...
> Cheers.
>

bboyminn:

Absolutely we are going to see more of Dumbledore, but
seeing more of him doesn't mean he will be alive, I
predict he is not going to jump from behind a curtain
and say 'Just kidding'.

Keep in mind that Harry's parents have been dead for
years, and they managed to make it back into the story,
yet being 'in the story' didn't make them alive.

The Gaunts have been dead for year, they returned to
life (figuratively) in the story.

Dumbledore has many means to make his apprearance -

- Dumbledore's Headmaster's portrait -
Certainly this will be one big source of interaction
with Dumbledore. I'm sure it will be a frustrating one
though since the portrait, while very realized, is not
Dumbledore himself. So, in some, perhaps most areas,
the Portrait will fall short, but that doesn't mean
it can't and won't be valuable and usefull.

I can't help wonder if a great wizard like Dumbledore
has other portraits in other locations in the Wizard
World?

- The Penseive -
We can meet Dumbledore again by exploring his own 
memories left to Harry in Vials, or by exploring 
other people's memories of Dumbledore, or both.

Others have argued that Dumbledore leaving a letter
or Penseive memories to Harry is too insecure, too
dangerous. I simply don't buy that. Dumbledore's
office is the safest place within the safest place in
the wizard world, and the memories could be anywhere.
With out specifically knowing where to look, it is
unlikely that a stranger would find them.

If McGonagall knows where they are, I suspect she 
would certainly respect the headmaster's wishes and
keep them private from unauthorized people including
herself. Remember Dumbledore's portrait is right
there in the Head's office watching her.

- Simple Memories -
Memories as relayed in conversations and discussions
about Dumbledore. Moody has known Dumbledore for years.
Lupin has known Dumbledore for years and may have some
valuable recollections. Slughorn was a contemporary of
Dumbledore's for a long time, certainly he remembers 
things. 

- Other -
There must be some others that I am missing, but I just
woke up and haven't had my coffee yet.

Seeing Dumbledore again, doesn't mean seeing him alive.
I really don't buy any 'Dumbledore faked his death'
theories. I think the trouble JKR is having in getting
Dumbledore into the story is, if by portrait, then 
trying to decide how knowledgable Portrait!Dumbledore
can be. He can't be too smart because that invalidates
her concept of portraits, but then he can't be to
dumb because that doesn't serve the story. So, I 
think regardless of the form, she is struggling to
present Dumbledore in a way that is balanced.

Now Sirius is another matter, he 'died' under very
special and unique circumstance and I can fantasize
ways in which he could come back, but that is another
matter entirely.

Steve/bboyminn




From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 19:58:08 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:58:08 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <eqki9a+b2sn@eGroups.com>
References: <eqki9a+b2sn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702121158s62880ac2m34c7b5022ff868d4@mail.gmail.com>

A new Harry Potter knitting & crafts book will out shortly. This
would make a great gift for the crafter or knitter in your life.

*

>From Alison Hansel's Blue Blog:

My biggest work in progress of the last year, my book! It should be
out by May and now I can finally tell you about it. Sneak peeks of
the Potter projects coming soon as well as a knitalong to gear up for
the movie release (July 13th) and Book 7 release
(July 21st)!

http://alison.knitsmiths.us/002108.html

**********

Time is making fools of us again. ~J.K. Rowling, "The Secret
Riddle," Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, 2005

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes
================================================

Jeremiah:
Yup! I've called my local knitting/yarn/needlecraft store (Needlecraft
cottage: San Diego, CA) and they've placed a big order for this one. :)

I love knitting, I love the knitting in the books and films, I have wondered
about a lot of the projects described in the books, too.

I'd like to make a Weasley Sweater for all my friends and there are tons of
sites out there that have "guessed-at" patterns for things like: Ron's
Animal Cracker Hat (from PoA film) and Hermione's red mittens with a
beautiful cable & bobble pattern on the back of the hands... (same movie).
Ron had a rockin'  black & grey hat in GoF. Any hoo... I'd love to sit down
some day and make a few patterns based on the books. ;)

Jeremiah


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From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Mon Feb 12 19:50:40 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:50:40 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
In-Reply-To: <eqqekk+tqje@eGroups.com>
References: <eqpsuq+6qhq@eGroups.com> <eqqekk+tqje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702121150i1492a7c5g34b08fcf295101c6@mail.gmail.com>

bboyminn:

Absolutely we are going to see more of Dumbledore, but
seeing more of him doesn't mean he will be alive, I
predict he is not going to jump from behind a curtain
and say 'Just kidding'.

Keep in mind that Harry's parents have been dead for
years, and they managed to make it back into the story,
yet being 'in the story' didn't make them alive.

The Gaunts have been dead for year, they returned to
life (figuratively) in the story.

Dumbledore has many means to make his apprearance -

- Dumbledore's Headmaster's portrait -
Certainly this will be one big source of interaction
with Dumbledore. I'm sure it will be a frustrating one
though since the portrait, while very realized, is not
Dumbledore himself. So, in some, perhaps most areas,
the Portrait will fall short, but that doesn't mean
it can't and won't be valuable and usefull.

I can't help wonder if a great wizard like Dumbledore
has other portraits in other locations in the Wizard
World?

- The Penseive -
We can meet Dumbledore again by exploring his own
memories left to Harry in Vials, or by exploring
other people's memories of Dumbledore, or both.

Others have argued that Dumbledore leaving a letter
or Penseive memories to Harry is too insecure, too
dangerous. I simply don't buy that. Dumbledore's
office is the safest place within the safest place in
the wizard world, and the memories could be anywhere.
With out specifically knowing where to look, it is
unlikely that a stranger would find them.

If McGonagall knows where they are, I suspect she
would certainly respect the headmaster's wishes and
keep them private from unauthorized people including
herself. Remember Dumbledore's portrait is right
there in the Head's office watching her.

- Simple Memories -
Memories as relayed in conversations and discussions
about Dumbledore. Moody has known Dumbledore for years.
Lupin has known Dumbledore for years and may have some
valuable recollections. Slughorn was a contemporary of
Dumbledore's for a long time, certainly he remembers
things.

- Other -
There must be some others that I am missing, but I just
woke up and haven't had my coffee yet.

Seeing Dumbledore again, doesn't mean seeing him alive.
I really don't buy any 'Dumbledore faked his death'
theories. I think the trouble JKR is having in getting
Dumbledore into the story is, if by portrait, then
trying to decide how knowledgable Portrait!Dumbledore
can be. He can't be too smart because that invalidates
her concept of portraits, but then he can't be to
dumb because that doesn't serve the story. So, I
think regardless of the form, she is struggling to
present Dumbledore in a way that is balanced.

Now Sirius is another matter, he 'died' under very
special and unique circumstance and I can fantasize
ways in which he could come back, but that is another
matter entirely.

Steve/bboyminn
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Jeremiah:

Absolutely, bboyminn. We have "The Portrait," "The Pensive," (which, I would
include any memories where DD appears) and then there's the stories about
DD's past. How he learned what he learned, how he did what he did.

Things like: How did DD get to know Nicholas Flammel? That might make for
some interresting info. Or, how exactly did DD defeat the Dark Wizard
Grindelwald? I'm sure there has to be something in that tale.

I would assume, having written 7 books and creating a strict set of rules
about how magic works and to have DD soing things in the past that may or
maynot function in those rules... well, I'd say that would be giving her
some trouble. LOL.

:) Jeremiah: apprensively awaiting the end of his addiction to HP. (Yeah, i
know it will happen someday... and i hope it's a great ending... )


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From lysles3 at aol.com  Tue Feb 13 14:31:09 2007
From: lysles3 at aol.com (lysles3 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:31:09 EST
Subject: Deluxe edition?
Message-ID: <d24.7397d78.330325ad@aol.com>

Thanks all who responded to my question about the deluxe edition!  Not  
entirely sure yet, but I may splurge for it- since it's the last one.  I'll  keep 
it on the shelf next to my Harry Potter pop up book.  lol  

Y Hilaire




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From sbejster at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 13 15:03:40 2007
From: sbejster at yahoo.com (sbejster)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:03:40 -0000
Subject: Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702121158s62880ac2m34c7b5022ff868d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eqsk0c+uc5e@eGroups.com>

Here are a few sites for HP knits someone just posted on one of my
sock knitting groups.

Here is the pattern for the sock:
http://www.bitchnmoan.net/fanfic/socks.php
and here are the charts:
http://www.bitchnmoan.net/fanfic/chart.php
Other Harry Potter designs can be located here:
http://www.freshislefibers.com/Patterns/hpknittinglinks.htm

Good luck!  Hope you find something you like.


Sandra
Dearborn, MI


> Jeremiah:
> 
> I love knitting, I love the knitting in the books and films, I have
wondered
> about a lot of the projects described in the books, too.
> 





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Feb 13 16:33:13 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry
 Potter
In-Reply-To: <eqsk0c+uc5e@eGroups.com>
References: <948bbb470702121158s62880ac2m34c7b5022ff868d4@mail.gmail.com>
 <eqsk0c+uc5e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c74f8c$a8fdce90$67a4a8c0@rosie>

[sbejster]:
| Here is the pattern for the sock:
| http://www.bitchnmoan.net/fanfic/socks.php

<SNIP>

[Lee]:
What a horrible name for a site!  Sorry, but that just floored me.  Not
something I'd want someone to find in my Favorites list.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za  Tue Feb 13 07:00:40 2007
From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:00:40 +0200
Subject: Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
In-Reply-To: <2004934977.1171300990228.JavaMail.root@fepweb04>
References: <2004934977.1171300990228.JavaMail.root@fepweb04>
Message-ID: <45D17E3802000078000025B1@NWSPGW13.RESBANK.CO.ZA>

I've been wondering about the portraits.  I won't be surprised if Dumbledore gives advise from the portrait.

Cairie

>>> <legrinstl at charter.net> 2007-02-12 19:23 >>>
It could be his portrait in the Headmasters office.  All of the other Headmasters had their portraits done.

Eleanna

---- Maria Vaerewyck <maria8162001 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I found this interview of Dan R. posted in Leaky last February 10,
> here's the link to the said interview;
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:9497. Dan said JKR came
> down to the set and he said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?"
> And Jo said, "Oh I just needed a break from the book- Dumbledore's
> giving me a lot of trouble." And Dan said, "But isn't he dead?"
> and she said, "Well, yeah but it's more complex..."
>
> Well, does this mean we are going to see more of Dumbledore in
> book 7? <snip>







From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 13 17:10:18 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:10:18 -0000
Subject: Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry Potter - Weasley Sweater
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702121158s62880ac2m34c7b5022ff868d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eqsrdq+lvjo@eGroups.com>

> Jeremiah:
> <snip> I love knitting, I love the knitting in the books and
> films, I have wondered about a lot of the projects described
> in the books, too.
>
> I'd like to make a Weasley Sweater for all my friends and there
> are tons of sites out there that have "guessed-at" patterns
> <snip> I'd love to sit down some day and make a few patterns
> based on the books. ;)


Zelda:
Alison Hansel, the author of Charmed Knits, has the Weasley Sweater
Pattern on her website. As Jeremiah mentioned, it will be nice to
have all of the patterns in one place.

http://alison.knitsmiths.us/pattern_weasley.html

Or

http://knit.atypically.net/scarves/

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes



From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Tue Feb 13 20:15:52 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:15:52 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Charmed Knits - Projects for fans of Harry Potter - Weasley Sweater
In-Reply-To: <eqsrdq+lvjo@eGroups.com>
References: <948bbb470702121158s62880ac2m34c7b5022ff868d4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eqsrdq+lvjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702131215u2c4cd67en19dc2345e2d7a494@mail.gmail.com>

> Jeremiah:
> <snip> I love knitting, I love the knitting in the books and
> films, I have wondered about a lot of the projects described
> in the books, too.
>
> I'd like to make a Weasley Sweater for all my friends and there
> are tons of sites out there that have "guessed-at" patterns
> <snip> I'd love to sit down some day and make a few patterns
> based on the books. ;)

Zelda:
Alison Hansel, the author of Charmed Knits, has the Weasley Sweater
Pattern on her website. As Jeremiah mentioned, it will be nice to
have all of the patterns in one place.

http://alison.knitsmiths.us/pattern_weasley.html

Or

http://knit.atypically.net/scarves/

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes
==========================================

Jeremiah:
Thanks for the heads up, Zelda. I think I have visited the atypically site
once or twice. Good stuff there.

I know I've mentioned this before but I have always been curious about
Hagrid's canary-yellow, tent-like object he was knitting on the underground.
I'd like to hear what other people think it is... (and if JKR is reading any
of this, maybe a quick mention of it in the FAQ section or Extra Stuff page?
Please. please, please)?

I have always thought it was a sweater but it could have been a baby blanket
for one of Aragog's off-spring. Or an afghan for Hagrid's hut? Maybe even a
wizard tent... wouldn't out it past him.

An ideas? Maybe I can come up with a pattern for it. LOL. ;)

Jeremiah: who doesn't actually care for canary-yellow but would like to make
something in honor of Hagrid, anyway...


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From wuff at internode.on.net  Tue Feb 13 23:25:45 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:25:45 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:  Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in
 DH
In-Reply-To: <45D17E3802000078000025B1@NWSPGW13.RESBANK.CO.ZA>
References: <2004934977.1171300990228.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> <45D17E3802000078000025B1@NWSPGW13.RESBANK.CO.ZA>
Message-ID: <45D248F9.5090002@internode.on.net>

I still think that none of the portrait people are really dead,
and that Dumbledore lied about getting rid of the philosophers
stone.



-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From avitaldrucker at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 13 23:46:07 2007
From: avitaldrucker at yahoo.com (Avital)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:46:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hi everyone!
Message-ID: <311764.75189.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey y'all. I'm Avital and I'm new to this group. I'm a diehard Harry Potter Fan and have been one ever since I was 8.
  I have my own Harry Potter group for diehard Harry Potter fans. If you want to join, please click here: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DiehardHarryPotterFans/
  Thank you very much.
   
  ~Avital~

 
---------------------------------
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From Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com  Tue Feb 13 23:35:56 2007
From: Lana.Dorman at Adelphigroup.com (kibakianakaya)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:35:56 -0000
Subject: Brit-Speak: Sorry.... NME's?
In-Reply-To: <1171241821.35F7EE87@bd12.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <eqti0s+cuml@eGroups.com>

>  Steve wrote:
> >SNIP> >
> > What are NME's?
>
> Heidi Tandy replied:
> New Musican Express. British music magazine since the 50s?
> 60s? Sorta like a mix of billboard and rolling stone. They
> cover the indie scene very intently and are a prime
> resource/devotion for music-obsessed teens.

 Lilygale nitpicks: I believe the magazine is called New Musical
Express, not Musician, if memory serves.  I used to be a rabid new
music fan back in the 60s - 80s and at one point bought NMEs when I
went to London.  But I could be mis-remembering.





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Feb 14 09:42:56 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:42:56 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Ordering UK version to be sent to US - advice?
Message-ID: <c18.ef6faf1.330433a0@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/8/07 12:03:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
taguem at jmsearch.com writes:


> Anyone know how to get all the longer versions of the movies... like when
> you watch them on TBS or something they include scenes that aren't in the
> movie releases... just curious..
> 
> 

Sandy responds:

You can't buy them that way. All they have done is added the deleted scenes 
that are on the extras disc of the two-disc sets. I taped SS and COS off the 
Family Channel with the added scenes, and now watch the tape more than I do the 
DVD's. I especially like the extended version of SS. It's too bad they don't 
put the deleted scenes back into the DVD's.

Sandy


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 14 18:17:40 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:17:40 -0000
Subject: Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
In-Reply-To: <c18.ef6faf1.330433a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>

---  OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/8/07 12:03:15 PM Eastern Standard
> Time, taguem at ... writes:
> 
> 
> > Anyone know how to get all the longer versions of 
> > the movies... like when you watch them on TBS or 
> > something they include scenes that aren't in the
> > movie releases... just curious..
> > 
> > 
> 
> Sandy responds:
> 
> You can't buy them that way. All they have done is 
> added the deleted scenes that are on the extras disc
> of the two-disc sets. I taped SS and COS off the 
> Family Channel with the added scenes, and now watch 
> the tape more than I do the DVD's. I especially like
> the extended version of SS. It's too bad they don't 
> put the deleted scenes back into the DVD's.
> 
> Sandy


bboyminn: 

Off on a wild tangent here. For one of the HP movies
I added to the total run-time of all the relevant
deleted scenes and it was something like 10 to 15
minutes. Is Warner really so stupid that they think
us poor movie going souls will collapse from 
nervious exhaustion or go into hysterics if we have 
to sit 10 minutes longer to see a movie? If these
deleted scenes had been put into the movie, it 
would have had much better continuity. The whole 
movie would have made immensely more sense? 

So in reality they sacrificed the quality, continuity,
and integrity of the movie just so it could be 10
minutes shorter. Really? What sense does that make?

I remember in the good old days when you got the cut
down version on TV and the extended version in the
Theater, and the even more extended version in the
Director's Cut DVD. Now we get the extended version
on TV and the crappy version in the theater and on
DVD. The world is turned upside down.

For every HP movie I've been to in the theater, which
is all of them, there isn't a single one where the 
audience wasn't dying to see more movie. There wasn't
a single person at any showing I've been to that
wouldn't have love 15 minutes more movie. Better yet
30 minutes more movie.

On this issue of cutting the heart out of the movie
for no reason other than needing to make it LESS THAN
2-1/2 hours, I think Warner is hopeless foolish and
completely misguided.

As Roger Ebert once said, no good movie can be too 
long and no bad movie can be too short. 

Simply make a good movie and we will sit there as long
as it take to tell the story.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Feb 14 20:04:25 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs.) Lee Storm (God is the Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:04:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version
 ...)
In-Reply-To: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
References: <c18.ef6faf1.330433a0@aol.com> <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c75073$54392200$67a4a8c0@rosie>

Just another point on deleted scenes....I actually saw one on TV which was
not in the deleted scenes on the DVD for SS.  It was a place where Harry
asks someting about wands...something like how important were they.  There
was another one, but I can't pin it down.  So, if I'm looking at all of this
right, seems to me as though all the "Deleted Scenes" *did not* make it into
the DVD Extras.

Now, that's really pitiful  I can't help wondering if, in five years or so,
a new DVD Deluxe won't come out...I sure hope so!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Feb 14 20:13:23 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:13:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
In-Reply-To: <001801c75073$54392200$67a4a8c0@rosie>
References: <c18.ef6faf1.330433a0@aol.com> <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
	 <001801c75073$54392200$67a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0702141213l641ae4ccp80c7722163a95d59@mail.gmail.com>

Lee:
> Now, that's really pitiful  I can't help wondering if, in five years or so,
> a new DVD Deluxe won't come out...I sure hope so!

As much as I would like a deluxe version of the DVD, I would be a
little annoyed, if only because I currently have all the DVDs and
would be loathed to have to buy a brand new version of all of them.

Still, a director's cut version would be lovely...

~Ali



From wuff at internode.on.net  Wed Feb 14 23:07:30 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:07:30 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies...
In-Reply-To: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
References: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45D39632.5080804@internode.on.net>

Steve wrote:
> ---  OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>> In a message dated 2/8/07 12:03:15 PM Eastern Standard
>> Time, taguem at ... writes:
>>
>>
>>> Anyone know how to get all the longer versions of 
>>> the movies... like when you watch them on TBS or 
>>> something they include scenes that aren't in the
>>> movie releases... just curious..

In Australia the HDTV channels are free to air...
so if you have a HDTV card in your computer and a
dvd-r, well...

Wolfie!
-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From taguem at jmsearch.com  Thu Feb 15 19:52:42 2007
From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:52:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
In-Reply-To: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
References: <c18.ef6faf1.330433a0@aol.com> <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <030a01c7513a$defc2cd0$4246dfdf@MichelleT>

Outstanding Steve!
 
Michelle Tague

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:18 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version
...)



--- OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/8/07 12:03:15 PM Eastern Standard
> Time, taguem at ... writes:
> 
> 
> > Anyone know how to get all the longer versions of 
> > the movies... like when you watch them on TBS or 
> > something they include scenes that aren't in the
> > movie releases... just curious..
> > 
> > 
> 
> Sandy responds:
> 
> You can't buy them that way. All they have done is 
> added the deleted scenes that are on the extras disc
> of the two-disc sets. I taped SS and COS off the 
> Family Channel with the added scenes, and now watch 
> the tape more than I do the DVD's. I especially like
> the extended version of SS. It's too bad they don't 
> put the deleted scenes back into the DVD's.
> 
> Sandy

bboyminn: 

Off on a wild tangent here. For one of the HP movies
I added to the total run-time of all the relevant
deleted scenes and it was something like 10 to 15
minutes. Is Warner really so stupid that they think
us poor movie going souls will collapse from 
nervious exhaustion or go into hysterics if we have 
to sit 10 minutes longer to see a movie? If these
deleted scenes had been put into the movie, it 
would have had much better continuity. The whole 
movie would have made immensely more sense? 

So in reality they sacrificed the quality, continuity,
and integrity of the movie just so it could be 10
minutes shorter. Really? What sense does that make?

I remember in the good old days when you got the cut
down version on TV and the extended version in the
Theater, and the even more extended version in the
Director's Cut DVD. Now we get the extended version
on TV and the crappy version in the theater and on
DVD. The world is turned upside down.

For every HP movie I've been to in the theater, which
is all of them, there isn't a single one where the 
audience wasn't dying to see more movie. There wasn't
a single person at any showing I've been to that
wouldn't have love 15 minutes more movie. Better yet
30 minutes more movie.

On this issue of cutting the heart out of the movie
for no reason other than needing to make it LESS THAN
2-1/2 hours, I think Warner is hopeless foolish and
completely misguided.

As Roger Ebert once said, no good movie can be too 
long and no bad movie can be too short. 

Simply make a good movie and we will sit there as long
as it take to tell the story.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn



 


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From snapes_witch at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 15 21:32:11 2007
From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Snape)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:32:11 -0000
Subject: Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
In-Reply-To: <eqvjo4+4iok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <er2jgr+d129@eGroups.com>

Right you are, Steve!  How many minutes would it have added to PS/SS 
to include the entire initial potions class scene?  IIRC it really 
set up whe whole Harry/Snape dynamic.  And how about the 
Karkaroff/Snape scene in GoF?

The only extended scene movie that I've been able to record was SS, 
however, it was during a bad snow storm and the telecast was spoiled 
by all the weather updates -- the worst during the potions scene! I 
don't have cable so haven't seen the others.   

Snape's Witch


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
 
> 
> Off on a wild tangent here. For one of the HP movies
> I added to the total run-time of all the relevant
> deleted scenes and it was something like 10 to 15
> minutes. Is Warner really so stupid that they think
> us poor movie going souls will collapse from 
> nervious exhaustion or go into hysterics if we have 
> to sit 10 minutes longer to see a movie? If these
> deleted scenes had been put into the movie, it 
> would have had much better continuity. The whole 
> movie would have made immensely more sense? 
> 
> So in reality they sacrificed the quality, continuity,
> and integrity of the movie just so it could be 10
> minutes shorter. Really? What sense does that make?
> 
> I remember in the good old days when you got the cut
> down version on TV and the extended version in the
> Theater, and the even more extended version in the
> Director's Cut DVD. Now we get the extended version
> on TV and the crappy version in the theater and on
> DVD. The world is turned upside down.
> 
> For every HP movie I've been to in the theater, which
> is all of them, there isn't a single one where the 
> audience wasn't dying to see more movie. There wasn't
> a single person at any showing I've been to that
> wouldn't have love 15 minutes more movie. Better yet
> 30 minutes more movie.
> 
> On this issue of cutting the heart out of the movie
> for no reason other than needing to make it LESS THAN
> 2-1/2 hours, I think Warner is hopeless foolish and
> completely misguided.
> 
> As Roger Ebert once said, no good movie can be too 
> long and no bad movie can be too short. 
> 
> Simply make a good movie and we will sit there as long
> as it take to tell the story.
> 
> Just one man's opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>





From amyw at thephoenixrises.org  Fri Feb 16 01:43:39 2007
From: amyw at thephoenixrises.org (Amy W.)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:43:39 -0000
Subject: Phoenix Rising - Price Jump and Ticket Sales on February 20
Message-ID: <er328b+vdf8@eGroups.com>

Dear Harry Potter for Grownups members, 

Do you have your registration for Phoenix Rising, a Harry Potter
conference to be held May 17-21, 2007, in New Orleans? Our next price
jump occurs at the end of February 19, 2007. Right now, a
registration for the full five days of the conference costs $160. That
includes admission to five days of programming and events, our
Southern-style Overture Dinner, The Leaky Cauldron's live PotterCast, 
a full night of fan community celebration at Artists and Authors 
Night, a New Orleans-style Masquerade Ball, the Coda Breakfast, and 
an exclusive conference shirt.

On February 20, 2007 ? as New Orleans revels in Mardi Gras ? the price
will increase to $180.

Also, starting on February 20, 2007, we'll be selling tickets to
keynote presentations and special events (Storyville and professional
Quidditch) to non-attendees. Attendees will be able to purchase any
ticket for a non-attendee, or non-attendees can purchase them
separately. We hope to sell out our events, as well as have an
extremely popular Borders Riverside Quidditch Classic, so if you know
someone unable to attend the conference, but who wants to hear a
particular speaker, dance to wizard rock on Bourbon Street, or play 
Chaser for the Pontchartrain Pirates, they can do so as of February 
20.

Attendees are encouraged to purchase tickets before then, especially
for Transformation: From Influence to Inspiration (fifteen tickets
still available) and Transformation: From Fan to Fandom (forty tickets
still available).

Of course, even without any additional ticket purchases, your full
registration provides you with access to a wide variety of Harry 
Potter programming, from the chance to leave your thoughts on our 
Final Theory Wall to participating in a roundtable discussion on 
immortality in Harry Potter, from a presentation analyzing the goblin 
financial monopoly to the opportunity to sit in on the panel 
titled "Snape: Friend or Foe?" that will be videocast by its sponsor, 
Borders, Inc. More presentations can be found at 
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/programming/accepted/.

Finally, high school students living or going to school in New Orleans
are invited to submit written or digital essays by March 1 for the
Phoenix Rising Student Essay Challenge. Five teens and their 
chaperones will be awarded registrations to Phoenix Rising for their 
analyses of the cycles of life, death, and rebirth in the Harry 
Potter series. Complete information and rules can be found at
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/newsroom/promotions.html .

Please direct all questions to help at thephoenixrises.org.  We hope to 
see many of you in New Orleans this spring!

Cheers,
Amy

Phoenix Rising is not endorsed, sanctioned or any other way supported,
directly or indirectly, by Warner Bros. Entertainment, the Harry 
Potter book publishers, or J. K. Rowling and her representatives. The
conference is presented by Narrate Conferences, Inc, a non-profit
organization focusing on education. Narrate Conferences, Inc. produces
dynamic, innovative events for scholars, students, professionals and 
fans.

Links:
Phoenix Rising http://www.thephoenixrises.org
>From Ash and Flame, the Official Newsletter of Phoenix Rising:
http://www.thephoenixrises.org/newsroom/subscribe.html
Narrate Conferences, Inc.: www.narrateconferences.org






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 16:18:55 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:18:55 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore Gave JKR a Lot of Trouble in DH
In-Reply-To: <eqqekk+tqje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <er4lhf+n8ea@eGroups.com>

bboyminn wrote:
> 
> Absolutely we are going to see more of Dumbledore, but seeing more
of him doesn't mean he will be alive, I predict he is not going to
jump from behind a curtain and say 'Just kidding'. <snip>
> 
> Dumbledore has many means to make his apprearance -
> 
> - Dumbledore's Headmaster's portrait -
><snip>
> I can't help wonder if a great wizard like Dumbledore has other
portraits in other locations in the Wizard World?
> 
> - The Penseive -
> We can meet Dumbledore again by exploring his own memories left to
Harry in Vials, or by exploring other people's memories of Dumbledore,
or both.
<snip>
> 
> - Simple Memories -
> Memories as relayed in conversations and discussions
> about Dumbledore. <snip>

> - Other -
> There must be some others that I am missing, but I just woke up and
haven't had my coffee yet. <snip>

> Now Sirius is another matter, he 'died' under very special and
unique circumstance and I can fantasize ways in which he could come
back, but that is another matter entirely.

Carol responds:
Your last point (and I know exactly what you're talking about ;-) )
leads to another way that Harry can meet and talk to Dumbledore--a
trip beyond the Veil and back again. He could even get a confirmation
that Snape acted on DD's own wishes by killing him. (If Snape dies,
Harry might even encounter Still!Snarky!Snape beyond the Veil--that
might be fun!) I rather think that this scene, rather than Portrait!DD
or Pensieve!DD or a "simple memory" from Slughorn or Mad-Eye or
Aberforth (surely the best source for such memories?) is what was
giving JKR trouble. (I wish we knew when the conversation with Dan
Radcliff took place. Had she nearly completed the manuscript? If so,
she'd be referring to a wrap-up scene like those in the other books.)

Whether I'm right or wrong about the Veil excursion (the Hero's
journey into the Underworld followed by his return, changed and
enlightened), Portrait!DD is certain to reappear, having been nicely
foreshadowded by the peacefully sleeping portrait in HBP. We'll see
him awake in DH, and perhaps Confrontational!Harry will challenge him:
"How can you be so calm and cheerful when Snape murdered and betrayed
you?" I only hope that a portrait can talk about its own death and
reassure Harry that Snape isn't a traitor. ("Look in the cabinet,
Harry. And let your friends enter the memories with you.")

Carol, hoping that Portrait!Dumbledore will reveal the reason(s) why
Living!Dumbledore trusted Snape and lay the foundation for Harry to
forgive Snape his trespasses and work with him to defeat Voldemort in DH




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 16:42:02 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:42:02 -0000
Subject: Mary Grandpre's illustration (Was: Severus Snape: Friend or foe? Borders Books)
In-Reply-To: <eotrq7+on9j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <er4msq+4k1u@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
 And be sure to check out the cover design for DH (obviously not the
real cover) with a dual image of Snape as drawn by Mary Grandpre for
"Flight of the Prince" in HBP: 
> > 
> >
http://www.gather.com/viewImage.jsp?fileId=3096224744001651&articleId=281474976875935
> > 
> > Not at all the way I envision Snape but still fun.

Snape's Witch responded:
> I really dislike (Mum told me never to say 'hate') Grandpere's 
illustrations, and not just her interpretation of Snape (a beard?!). 
She's still drawing the almost adult HRH as little kids.  What's up 
with that?

Carol responds:
 I don't like her illustrations, either, but at least she's not still
showing him with a bashed-in head as in OoP! I think the beard (for
which there's no evidence in canon) comes from JKR's own (horrible)
drawing of Snape, the one that spawned all the vampire theories before
JKR quashed that particular rumor. I also think that Grandpre is
trying to make Snape resemble Satan, even to the flames from Hagrid's
hut rising behind him in the "Flight of the Prince" illustration (the
same one that's doubled here for the Borders Snape discussion). (I do
think that Snape's anguish, resembling that of the dog trapped in the
burning house, is that of a damned soul, but I don't think it's
permanent. He's been set up for redemption since Book I, and I'll bet
my nonexistent wand that he's DDM!, whether Grandpre sees that or
not--and I think her reading of the books is a bit simplistic and
Harrycentric, myself.)

I'm not sure that she's still drawing the "adult" (teenage) HRH as
little kids (sorry--I don't view seventeen-year-olds as adults; it's a
mere literary convenience for JKR, who wants Harry to be able to use
magic outside Hogwarts in DH), but I do notice that she makes the
characters left-handed like herself. Check out the cover art for HBP:
Harry's wand is in his left hand and Dumbledore's dead right hand
looks perfectly normal. That particular piece in particular out to be
flipped over. It's the mirror image of what it ought to be since both
DD and Harry are canonically right-handed.

Carol, who intends to pick up her "Trust Snape" sticker despite the
uncanonical beard





From tonyaminton at gmail.com  Fri Feb 16 17:32:52 2007
From: tonyaminton at gmail.com (Tonya Minton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:32:52 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Mary Grandpre's illustration (Was: Severus Snape: Friend or foe? Borders Books)
In-Reply-To: <er4msq+4k1u@eGroups.com>
References: <eotrq7+on9j@eGroups.com> <er4msq+4k1u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d4a040d0702160932r605151eau68183fa0ca8605c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Carol earlier:
> And be sure to check out the cover design for DH (obviously not the
> real cover) with a dual image of Snape as drawn by Mary Grandpre for
> "Flight of the Prince" in HBP:
> > >
> > >
>
> http://www.gather.com/viewImage.jsp?fileId=3096224744001651&articleId=281474976875935
> > >
> > > Not at all the way I envision Snape but still fun.
>


Now Tonya:

The link doesn't work for me.  Does anyone else have a link??  or maybe I am
doing something wrong.  I just clicked on the link.  Help!!

Thank you,
Tonya


> 
>


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 18:21:27 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:21:27 -0000
Subject: Mary Grandpre's illustration (Was: Severus Snape: Friend or foe? Borders Boo
In-Reply-To: <d4a040d0702160932r605151eau68183fa0ca8605c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <er4sn7+44hs@eGroups.com>

---  "Tonya Minton" <tonyaminton at ...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Carol earlier:
> > And be sure to check out the cover design for DH
> > (obviously not the real cover) with a dual image of
> > Snape as drawn by Mary Grandpre for "Flight of the
> >  Prince" in HBP:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
http://www.gather.com/viewImage.jsp?fileId=3096224744001651&articleId=281474976875935
> > > >
> > > > Not at all the way I envision Snape but still fun.
> >
> 
> 
> Now Tonya:
> 
> The link doesn't work for me.  Does anyone else have
> a link??  or maybe I am doing something wrong.  I just
> clicked on the link.  Help!!
> 
> Thank you,
> Tonya

bboyminn:

If you are viewing the link on-line, that is, in the
group it should work. However, if you are viewing it
in your own email program, it is possible the you
email viewer is set to Wrap long lines, which means
a carriage return has been inserted into the link.

Reply to the post with the link, and pull the broken 
pieces together into one long line, then copy and
paste the link into your browser.

The link above worked for me.

As to the main subject, I do like the book illustrations
because they are correct enough to give me a feel for
the characters and the chapters, but the are /off/ 
enough that they don't dictate the characters. 

I have my own vision of Snape, and Mary Grandpre's 
illustration don't interfer with that. Yet, the
do give a quick and easy sense of a book or a chapter.

If she tried to capture the characters too well, I 
think they would either severly conflict with my own
vision, or the would start to infiltrate my vision
of the character. So, as they are, I am very 
satisfied with them.

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 16 23:47:35 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:47:35 -0000
Subject: Mary Grandpre's illustration (Was: Severus Snape: Friend or foe? Borders Boo
In-Reply-To: <d4a040d0702160932r605151eau68183fa0ca8605c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <er5fqn+qn7l@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > And be sure to check out the cover design for DH (obviously not
the real cover) with a dual image of Snape as drawn by Mary Grandpre
for "Flight of the Prince" in HBP:
http://www.gather.com/viewImage.jsp?fileId=3096224744001651&articleId=281474976875935
> > > >
> > > > Not at all the way I envision Snape but still fun.
 
Tonya responded:
> 
> The link doesn't work for me.  Does anyone else have a link??  or
maybe I am doing something wrong.  I just clicked on the link.  Help!!


Carol again:

Hi, Tonya. The link does take a rather long time to load or whatever
the term is, but it should work. but if it doesn't, try this one:

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976875935

It will take you to the Snape discussion. From there, you can click on
the thumbnail of the double-headed Snape image, which will take you to
the page I was originally referring to.

Carol




From 12newmoons at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 01:56:27 2007
From: 12newmoons at gmail.com (Laura Horowitz)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:56:27 -0000
Subject: speaking of parties...
Message-ID: <er5ncb+4hot@eGroups.com>


Hi everyone!  I'm Laura, and it's been a very long time since I posted
here-long enough that it's probably a whole new group now.  I'm posting
here and a couple of other select sites to seek advice about release
parties from hard-core adult fans.    I work at a Barnes and Noble in
Pittsburgh, and we're gearing up for our party.  I'm trying to get adult
activities organized, since I know that there were at least as many
older teens and adults at the last release as there were kids.  My
questions to you are:

If you've attended release parties before, as a planner, worker or
customer, what worked for you and what didn't?  What would you do again,
what would you do differently and what would you eliminate altogether?

If you had unlimited space and budget, what would you like to have at
your party?

Are you planning anything particular to book 7?

Thanks so much in advance for your input, and if you're in Pittsburgh on
July 20, come on by-we'll have the best party in town!

Laura



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From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 17 05:28:34 2007
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 05:28:34 -0000
Subject: speaking of parties...
In-Reply-To: <er5ncb+4hot@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <er63q2+c5l5@eGroups.com>

One of my most favorite activities at parties is always that they 
give prizes aways for correct answers to trivia questions--questions 
that deal with MORE than POTTER books!!! They ask questions about 
childrens, young-adult and Adult books...

Raffle tickets go a long way to kill time as well...

Of course the given costume contest..

a special prize for someone who brings in the best replica of 
a "pensive" (prizes for different age categories)

create a potter crossword..

Best knitted or crocheted creation inspired by molly weasley.

Best essay--topic: "how to keep the perfect Petunia kitchen"

Give a special prize for the person(s) who submit a question that no 
one knows the answer to at the time said question is asked--with all 
questions being chosen from each respective box at random.

A best "reading competition"....(one reader per 50 mins...all ballots 
turned in within the hour)..

Best Hippogriff/horntail tatoo contest--only paper applications 
accepted..(all folks vote winner announced later)

DD epitaph contest--we wanna hear more than what the man in the black 
suit said...(i.e. DD's idea of a "few words"..., what would hagrid 
have said?(Flitwick? McConagal? Errol? Vernon? Petunia?etc...)

D.Umbrige MOM sentencing statement by the high council..We the high 
council sentence you D.Umbridge to ___ at ___ because____ etc...

Creations of "Snape's weekly Menu's" (he doesn't strike me as an 
ultimate omlette/big mac type of guy...but something bland and in 
between...)(or any other adult character menus for that matter..the 
only ones we get a hint of are Dumbledore, Hagrid, and McConagal..).

Of course a cooking/baking contest is something else.

If you must do a costume contest make it a best Muggle contest! LOL a 
great way to get the non fan that accompanies their poor afflicted 
potterite friend. LOL

Another would be to have a little table or two outside and have a tea 
leaf reading "booth(s)" to happen before sunset...would be great fun!

I could go on and on..LOL

Let me know if you're stuck or if none of my idea's are tangible...I 
have plenty more...You'd be surprised who will show..

DD
(who feels really bad that she won a costume contest as professor 
Sinastra but who is really happy that the $200 hat she bought years 
ago won her a $500 gift!--which I did donate it to my daughters 
school for books.)




From theshozter at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Feb 18 03:12:01 2007
From: theshozter at yahoo.co.uk (theshozter)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:12:01 -0000
Subject: The New Book Release
Message-ID: <er8g61+g92u@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know if JK will be anywhere in the UK for the new book 
release? If she's not gonna be anywhere, where's the best place to 
celabrate the release of the new book? I have my costume already (i'm 
always willing to make a fool of myself for something i love) and i wnt 
to be with other nutters who love Hrry as much as i do!!

P.s Sorry about the occansional lack of a's! My keybord is going 
seriously down hill!!!!




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From retired153 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 18 23:58:38 2007
From: retired153 at yahoo.com (j15300)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:58:38 -0000
Subject: Havabol
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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Feb 19 04:47:59 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:47:59 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
Message-ID: <bcf.e521107.330a85ff@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/14/07 1:18:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
bboyminn at yahoo.com writes:


> On this issue of cutting the heart out of the movie
> for no reason other than needing to make it LESS THAN
> 2-1/2 hours, I think Warner is hopeless foolish and
> completely misguided.
> 
> As Roger Ebert once said, no good movie can be too 
> long and no bad movie can be too short. 
> 
> Simply make a good movie and we will sit there as long
> as it take to tell the story.
> 
> Just one man's opinion.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

Sandy responds:

This woman will second your opinion. This business of capturing the *essence* 
of the story while keeping the run time to a minimum is bullcrap, because 
they are not capturing the essence. The last movie, in particular, came up 
woefully short of the mark. I would be willing to sit through a 4 hour movie as long 
as they provide an intermission for a potty break. But, if they did make the 
movies any longer than they do we would only be on movie 3 instead of movie 5, 
considering how long it takes to make them, and Dan would be 30 for the last 
one. I wonder, though, if they have set that 2 1/2 hour limit because they see 
their audience as primarily kids. Kids really don't have a long attention 
span. But when I went to see GOF, there wasn't a kid in the audience. There were 
teenagers, but no kids. Granted, it was the midnight show, but it was sold 
out. 

Sandy, wondering what has been sacrificed to keep OOP, the longest book, down 
to 2 1/2 hours, although OOP did have a lot of wasted page space.


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon Feb 19 05:12:16 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:12:16 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Extended Movies... (was: Re: Ordering UK version ...)
Message-ID: <d34.2964c92.330a8bb0@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/14/07 3:15:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
alexisnguyen at gmail.com writes:


> As much as I would like a deluxe version of the DVD, I would be a
> little annoyed, if only because I currently have all the DVDs and
> would be loathed to have to buy a brand new version of all of them.
> 
> Still, a director's cut version would be lovely...
> 
> ~Ali
> 
> 
> 
>  

Sandy:

I am almost embarrassed to mention this, but... When I saw the *extended* 
version on the Family Channel the first time I thought they must have released a 
new DVD of some kind. Although I already had the DVD, which I bought locally, 
I went staight to Amazon to look for this "new" version. I read the 
description carefully, and, sure enough. there in black and white was "includes 5, 8. or 
however many deleted scenes". Woo-hoo! I found it! Imagine my disappointment 
when I played it after getting it, only to find out it was the same one I 
already had. I didn't realize the deleted scenes were on the extras disc, which I 
had not yet figured out how to get to. I felt pretty stupid when it finally 
dawned on me that the Family Channel had somehow simply added the deleted scenes 
back into the movie. I guess that is what happens when you aren't technically 
minded. So I have two SS DVD's and I taped the extended version the next time 
it was on, and have taped it again since. If they came out with an extended 
version on DVD, I would buy it. You can't have too much of a good thing, 
especially one of your favorite movies.

Sandy


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 19 21:36:36 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:36:36 -0000
Subject: XPost: "What's On Stage" - Equus Review and Discussion Board
Message-ID: <erd594+ffed@eGroups.com>

This is cross posted from the HP-Movie discussion group.

"What's On Stage" website has a pretty good review and 
BIO of Dan in 'Equus'. A lot of the data is complied from
other sources, but it is done in an intelligent and 
insightful way and is well worth the read -

"Horse Sense from Harry Potter"
http://www.whatsonstage.com/index.php?pg=207&story=E8821171888242

Further the 'What's on Stage' discussion board has some
reviews from several people who have attended the Preview
Performance.

Plays
http://www.whatsonstage.com/board/index.php?showforum=5

This will bring you to the Discussion Board main PLAYS
page. From this page select - " Equus: First Peview Review"

Or, follow this link directly to the discussion -
http://www.whatsonstage.com/board/index.php?showtopic=140

Sample of one comment -

"I went to this with a sense of trepidation. I am not a
fan of Peter Shaffer ... I certainly am no advocator of
the Daniel Radcliffe fan-base either (can the boy actually
act?)."

"What I have experienced this evening is everything that
is right about theatre. ...stunningly relevant and modern"

"Daniel Radcliffe gives an assured stage debut. "


Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn





From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 05:09:29 2007
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:09:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] speaking of parties...
In-Reply-To: <er5ncb+4hot@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <683457.96017.qm@web37713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

YEAH!! Parties! My local Waldenbooks, where I always attended the parties,  has just closed, so I am going to have to go to Hastings (ick)! But I loved the "Sorting Into Houses" that they did (Slytherin here), of course Trivia, costume contests, "What Got You Into HP  As An Adult" would be a nice thing...reading the first chapter aloud before leaving, then having a discussion would be good, if you COULD keep anyone there with "The Book" in their hot little hands! Maybe just a general discussion before the release.
   
  Alex Hogan
   
   
  
Laura Horowitz <12newmoons at gmail.com> wrote:
          
Hi everyone! I'm Laura, and it's been a very long time since I posted
here-long enough that it's probably a whole new group now. I'm posting
here and a couple of other select sites to seek advice about release
parties from hard-core adult fans. I work at a Barnes and Noble in
Pittsburgh, and we're gearing up for our party. I'm trying to get adult
activities organized, since I know that there were at least as many
older teens and adults at the last release as there were kids. My
questions to you are:

If you've attended release parties before, as a planner, worker or
customer, what worked for you and what didn't? What would you do again,
what would you do differently and what would you eliminate altogether?

If you had unlimited space and budget, what would you like to have at
your party?

Are you planning anything particular to book 7?

Thanks so much in advance for your input, and if you're in Pittsburgh on
July 20, come on by-we'll have the best party in town!

Laura

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From lysles3 at aol.com  Tue Feb 20 14:31:29 2007
From: lysles3 at aol.com (lysles3 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:31:29 EST
Subject: speaking of parties...
Message-ID: <ca4.9ac023c.330c6041@aol.com>

(who feels really bad that she won a costume  contest as professor 
Sinastra but who is really happy that the $200 hat she  bought years 
ago won her a $500 gift!--which I did donate it to my daughters  
school for books.)

Awesome ideas DD!  I have never been to a release party before and I'm  
trying to decide if I want to this time.  My 9 year old son would probably  love to 
accompany me.  In any case I'd love to see your costume picture,  especially 
the $200.00 hat!  I made a Minerva costume for myself, but chose  a subdued 
plaid for my cloak and most people thought I was a regular witch, not  a deputy 
head mistress.  LOL  

Y Hilaire




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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 19:11:16 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:11:16 -0000
Subject: Dan on Broadway (maybe)
Message-ID: <erfh4k+s86d@eGroups.com>

>From the NY Post -

According to today's Daily Mail in London, the play just
got a big accolade from the Big Apple.

Roger Berlind, a veteran New York theater producer, was 
reportedly so impressed with the play that he said he 
would help raise money to bring it to Broadway if the 
production was interested.

Berlind -- who watched Radcliffe during a packed preview 
of the play in London -- was also quoted as calling the 
Potter actor a "natural stage performer."

Harry Naked in NY
http://blogs.nypost.com/potter/

just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 19:53:29 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:53:29 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan on Broadway (maybe)
In-Reply-To: <erfh4k+s86d@eGroups.com>
References: <erfh4k+s86d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702201153p74b46f4et66b48ed26dc5d649@mail.gmail.com>

>From the NY Post -

According to today's Daily Mail in London, the play just
got a big accolade from the Big Apple.

Roger Berlind, a veteran New York theater producer, was
reportedly so impressed with the play that he said he
would help raise money to bring it to Broadway if the
production was interested.

Berlind -- who watched Radcliffe during a packed preview
of the play in London -- was also quoted as calling the
Potter actor a "natural stage performer."

Harry Naked in NY
http://blogs.nypost.com/potter/

just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn
==================================

Jeremiah:

Now, wait asecond...

If Daniel Radcliff is 17 he cannot perform in the United States. He is
underage and the play would, therefore, be concidered to be kiddie-porn.
It's a technicality but definitely illegal.

However, at 18 he can be as naked as he wants on stage.

I would, however, like to see him perform -clothed or naked... however it is
presented- only to see for myself if he is as good as they say.


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 23:15:38 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:15:38 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Twigged?
Message-ID: <erfveq+fn9k@eGroups.com>

Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.

In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
'Twigged' was used.

Care to translate?

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 23:23:04 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:23:04 -0000
Subject: Dan on Broadway (maybe)
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702201153p74b46f4et66b48ed26dc5d649@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <erfvso+hdqj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jeremiah LaFleur"
<hpfreakazoid at ...> wrote:
>
> From the NY Post -
> 
> According to today's Daily Mail in London, the play just
> got a big accolade from the Big Apple.
> 
> Roger Berlind, a veteran New York theater producer, was
> reportedly so impressed with the play that he said he
> would help raise money to bring it to Broadway if the
> production was interested.
> 
> Berlind -- who watched Radcliffe during a packed preview
> of the play in London -- was also quoted as calling the
> Potter actor a "natural stage performer."
> 
> Harry Naked in NY
> http://blogs.nypost.com/potter/
> 
> just passing it along.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
> ==================================
> 
> Jeremiah:
> 
> Now, wait asecond...
> 
> If Daniel Radcliff is 17 he cannot perform in the United
> States. He is underage and the play would, therefore, be
> concidered to be kiddie-porn.
> It's a technicality but definitely illegal.
> 
> However, at 18 he can be as naked as he wants on stage.
> 
> ...

bboyminn:

The play has a limited engagement of only 16 weeks. The 
orignal presentation of this show went for something like
1200 performances. So, after 16 weeks, it's back to 
filming Harry Potter. Though that should go much more 
quickly since the primary actors are all beyond school.

That means, he couldn't possibly perform in a Broadway
production until the break between the 6th and 7th 
movies. Even then, it would also have to be a limited
engagement.

By the time the next movie production break occurs, 
Dan will be 18, and will be able to perform nude on
Broadway.

If either show, West End or Broadway, is successful, it
could go on with an understudy when Dan is needed back
at the studio for the next movie.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From chladely11 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 22:55:30 2007
From: chladely11 at yahoo.com (chladely11)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:55:30 -0000
Subject: Theory of dumbledores death
Message-ID: <erfu92+bvsm@eGroups.com>

Hey I'm Chad, just joined this group, and I just finished Half
Blood Prince for the second time.  I was wondering if there's
any debate on whether Dumbledore was killed by Snape in spite
of his treachery or if it was a detailed plan sought out by
the two.  Maybe there was a horcrux whithin Dumbledore and
even Harry himself, and Snape was chosen to kill Voldemort and
Harry once they met. I was also wondering if anyone had any
ideas who R.A.B is and how he or she is connected to the story.
Ty!!




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Tue Feb 20 23:44:36 2007
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:44:36 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan on Broadway (maybe)
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702201153p74b46f4et66b48ed26dc5d649@mail.gmail.com>
References: <erfh4k+s86d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45DC2294.29252.736911@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 20 Feb 2007 at 11:53, Jeremiah LaFleur wrote:

> Jeremiah:
> 
> Now, wait asecond...
> 
> If Daniel Radcliff is 17 he cannot perform in the United States. He
> is
> underage and the play would, therefore, be concidered to be
> kiddie-porn.
> It's a technicality but definitely illegal.

People really should investigate the laws before they make statements like this.

A mere depiction of appearance of a naked child is *not* legally child pornography. 
Photographs of naked children (people under 18), appearances by naked children in films 
and in plays generally speaking are not child pornography.

I appeared naked in a film myself when I was 15, so perhaps I'm a bit more aware of this 
than most people. But child nudity is not equivalent to child pornography in most jurisdictions.

There needs to be more than just nudity involved for that to be the case.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 00:18:02 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:18:02 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Brit Speak - Twigged?
In-Reply-To: <erfveq+fn9k@eGroups.com>
References: <erfveq+fn9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.
>
> In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
> 'Twigged' was used.
>
> Care to translate?
>
> Steve/bboyminn


montims:

twigged = understood  but what was the context?


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From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 00:25:45 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:25:45 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan on Broadway (maybe)
In-Reply-To: <45DC2294.29252.736911@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
References: <erfh4k+s86d@eGroups.com>
	 <948bbb470702201153p74b46f4et66b48ed26dc5d649@mail.gmail.com>
	 <45DC2294.29252.736911@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702201625r4d66f959ja9c6009b8ada0b10@mail.gmail.com>

> Jeremiah:
>
> Now, wait asecond...
>
> If Daniel Radcliff is 17 he cannot perform in the United States. He
> is
> underage and the play would, therefore, be concidered to be
> kiddie-porn.
> It's a technicality but definitely illegal.

People really should investigate the laws before they make statements like
this.

A mere depiction of appearance of a naked child is *not* legally child
pornography.
Photographs of naked children (people under 18), appearances by naked
children in films
and in plays generally speaking are not child pornography.

I appeared naked in a film myself when I was 15, so perhaps I'm a bit more
aware of this
than most people. But child nudity is not equivalent to child pornography in
most jurisdictions.

There needs to be more than just nudity involved for that to be the case.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately
====================================

Jeremiah:

The Kiddie-porn remark was "toungue-in-cheek" but I went in that direction
because the character's nudity is centered around psycho-sexual and
sexually-repressed violence.

Technically, you can have "under-aged" individuals appear nude but it is
situational.

You cannot show a completely naked encounter between two actual teenagers in
many jurisdictions, even New York City (from the last time I was there from
1994-1999).

Yes, I do understand that child nudity is not child-porn because I'm a
nudist and if i take pictures of friends at resorts and a kid gets in the
picture I'd have been jailed by now. LOL. (Little buggers like to run around
a lot...)

But, as I said, in New York I do believe that you have to be over 18 to
appear nude on a stage where full-frontal nudity occurs. but what concerns
me more is that the taking of pictures and having them transported over the
internet will mess with some other jurisdictions (like here in California)
and I wouldn't want Dan's naked-anything on my computer if he's underage
under the laws here in my state.

That's where I was going with it...

(no hard feelings, just putting it out there the way I see it).


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 21 00:43:05 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:43:05 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Twigged?
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <erg4ip+sq0t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.
> >
> > In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
> > 'Twigged' was used.
> >
> > Care to translate?
> >
> > Steve/bboyminn
> 
> 
> montims:
> 
> twigged = understood  but what was the context?
> 

bboyminn:

Sorry, but are you asking /me/ for the context, or
is that part of the definition.

I'll try and find the two quotes and post them here if
that helps.

Steve/bboymiin




From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 00:54:34 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:54:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Twigged?
In-Reply-To: <erg4ip+sq0t@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
	 <erg4ip+sq0t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702201654w2424c61bi44e9f23826e8c14@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.
> > >
> > > In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
> > > 'Twigged' was used.
> > >
> > > Care to translate?
> > >
> > > Steve/bboyminn
> >
> >
> > montims:
> >
> > twigged = understood  but what was the context?
> >
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Sorry, but are you asking /me/ for the context, or
> is that part of the definition.
>
> I'll try and find the two quotes and post them here if
> that helps.
>
> Steve/bboymiin



montims:
sorry - I wrote too quickly.  I twigged what you wanted to know, but wanted
the context to give the exact synonym.  It's kind of "grasped", "got the
gist of", understood...


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 21 01:08:02 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:08:02 -0000
Subject: Brit Speak - Twigged? - Context
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>

---  Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.
> >
> > In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
> > 'Twigged' was used.
> >
> > Care to translate?
> >
> > Steve/bboyminn
> 
> 
> montims:
> 
> twigged = understood  but what was the context?
> 
> 

bboyminn:

Guardian Unlimited -
http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,2009701,00.html

"He met singer Kele Okereke at the Reading Festival. 
Okereke didn't know who he was, until the actor's friend
said, 'Uh, this is Daniel Radcliffe ...' Then he 'sort of
**twigged** and it was one of those situations where it 
was a bit embarrassing for a moment'."

Guardian - Arts Blog -
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/theatre/2007/02/post_19.html

"One of the pleasures of the last few days has been 
reading the succession of interviews with young Daniel 
conducted by seasoned hacks who haven't ***twigged*** 
that they've all been given exactly the same interview.
The boy is clearly already a real pro."

I guess the definition 'Understood' does make sense in
both these contexts.

But what is the origin of the phrase? At this point I'm
trying to find a connection between 'twigged' and 
'understood'.

Thanks.

Steve/bboymin





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Feb 21 01:13:49 2007
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:13:49 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Dan on Broadway (maybe)
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702201625r4d66f959ja9c6009b8ada0b10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45DC2294.29252.736911@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <45DC377D.21265.C51AD8@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 20 Feb 2007 at 16:25, Jeremiah LaFleur wrote:

> The Kiddie-porn remark was "toungue-in-cheek" but I went in that
> direction
> because the character's nudity is centered around psycho-sexual
> and
> sexually-repressed violence.

Yes, and that is a factor that is relevant in the laws on these things. But so is whether or not 
the depiction in question has redeeming value.

> Technically, you can have "under-aged" individuals appear nude but
> it is
> situational.

Very much so.
 
> That's where I was going with it...
> 
> (no hard feelings, just putting it out there the way I see it).

None taken, and I didn't any either.

What's concering me though is there's a lot of misinformation about this going round the 
internet at the moment. Statements by people who think any depiction of nudity by a minor is 
child pornography (untrue in most jurisdictions). Statements by people that Daniel Radcliffe is 
above the age of consent in Britain so that makes the images legal (it is true that he is above 
the age of consent, but that has no impact on the legality or illegality of any images - very 
separate laws), for example.

Genuine child pornography - the type that is of legal concern in most jurisdictions - generally 
involves serious exploitation of children and the risk of serious harm to those children. 
Blurring the lines is something that concerns me as someone who was victimised like this in 
my childhood (completely indistinct from the events I mentioned in terms of the film when I 
was 15).

Obviously, with your background, you do understand the different domains, but a lot of 
people don't.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed Feb 21 01:25:12 2007
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:25:12 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Twigged? - Context
In-Reply-To: <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45DC3A28.671.CF886A@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 21 Feb 2007 at 1:08, Steve wrote:

> But what is the origin of the phrase? At this point I'm
> trying to find a connection between 'twigged' and 
> 'understood'.

Steve, it's had this meaning in British English for at least 200 years. It's origin at that point is 
unknown, but it may have no other specific link to any other use of the word twig.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From hpfreakazoid at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 02:23:42 2007
From: hpfreakazoid at gmail.com (Jeremiah LaFleur)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:23:42 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Twigged? - Context
In-Reply-To: <45DC3A28.671.CF886A@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
References: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
	 <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>
	 <45DC3A28.671.CF886A@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <948bbb470702201823g79eba003kdecd414f10001842@mail.gmail.com>

--- Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> On 2/20/07, Steve <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Once again I seek out all your knowledgable minds.
> >
> > In a two recent interviews with and about Dan, the word
> > 'Twigged' was used.
> >
> > Care to translate?
> >
> > Steve/bboyminn
>
>
> montims:
>
> twigged = understood but what was the context?
>
>

bboyminn:

Guardian Unlimited -
http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,2009701,00.html

"He met singer Kele Okereke at the Reading Festival.
Okereke didn't know who he was, until the actor's friend
said, 'Uh, this is Daniel Radcliffe ...' Then he 'sort of
**twigged** and it was one of those situations where it
was a bit embarrassing for a moment'."

Guardian - Arts Blog -
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/theatre/2007/02/post_19.html

"One of the pleasures of the last few days has been
reading the succession of interviews with young Daniel
conducted by seasoned hacks who haven't ***twigged***
that they've all been given exactly the same interview.
The boy is clearly already a real pro."

I guess the definition 'Understood' does make sense in
both these contexts.

But what is the origin of the phrase? At this point I'm
trying to find a connection between 'twigged' and
'understood'.

Thanks.

Steve/bboymin
======================

Jeremiah:
Yeah, it's confusing.. hang on...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
He [Daniel] met singer Kele Okereke at the Reading Festival.
Okereke didn't know who he [Daniel] was, until the actor's [Daniel's] friend
said, 'Uh, this is Daniel Radcliffe ...' Then he [Kele] 'sort of
**twigged** [understood/figured it out/put it all together] and it was one
of those situations where it
was a bit embarrassing for a moment'."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"One of the pleasures of the last few days has been
reading the succession of interviews with young Daniel
conducted by seasoned hacks who haven't ***twigged***
[understood/figured it out] that they've all been given exactly the same
interview.
The boy is clearly already a real pro."

Most likely they are saying that all the "hacks" out there are given the
same thype of questions during an interview and Daniel is capable of
explaining himself or givining an answer that isn't lame or stupid, unlike
the "hacks" the reporter is referring to.

Hope that helps!
Jeremiah ('cause it's the only thing that makes sense to me...)


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From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 02:58:26 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:58:26 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Twigged? - Context
In-Reply-To: <948bbb470702201823g79eba003kdecd414f10001842@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
	 <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>
	 <45DC3A28.671.CF886A@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
	 <948bbb470702201823g79eba003kdecd414f10001842@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702201858w1480af7av96e6978c420bba91@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Jeremiah:
> Yeah, it's confusing.. hang on...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> "One of the pleasures of the last few days has been
> reading the succession of interviews with young Daniel
> conducted by seasoned hacks who haven't ***twigged***
> [understood/figured it out] that they've all been given exactly the same
> interview.
> The boy is clearly already a real pro."
>
> Most likely they are saying that all the "hacks" out there are given the
> same thype of questions during an interview and Daniel is capable of
> explaining himself or givining an answer that isn't lame or stupid, unlike
> the "hacks" the reporter is referring to.
>
> Hope that helps!
> Jeremiah ('cause it's the only thing that makes sense to me...)


montims:
well. actually - the hacks are the journalists, and they each believe they
have been given an exclusive, whereas Dan has been saying the same thing to
each of them.  The compliment is due to the fact that Dan manages to make
each of them feel privileged and special.

As I understand it (but you can't use "twig" in this context - to twig is
more to understand because a light suddenly went on, if that makes sense...)


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From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 21 03:27:27 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:27:27 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Speak - Twigged? - Context
In-Reply-To: <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40702201618n5080e116y3239e00798128794@mail.gmail.com>
	 <erg61i+5p22@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702201927p3b345a45v4c77501033b1af6d@mail.gmail.com>

>
> bboyminn:
>
> But what is the origin of the phrase? At this point I'm
> trying to find a connection between 'twigged' and
> 'understood'.


montims:

according to http://www.word-detective.com/061202.html
The verb "twig" (unrelated to "twig" meaning "small branch") has been in
colloquial use in Britain since the mid-18th century.  "I twig" is a more
elegant way of saying "I see" or "I get it."  The somewhat conservative
folks at the Oxford English Dictionary don't even want to hazard a guess as
to the origin of "twig" in this sense, but the etymologist Eric Partridge
traced it back to the Gaelic word "tuig," meaning "I understand."

FWIW...  Funny, I never thought to wonder about the origin of the word...


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 21 21:25:56 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:25:56 -0000
Subject: Theory of Dumbledore's death
In-Reply-To: <erfu92+bvsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eridd4+38ro@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "chladely11" <chladely11 at ...>
wrote:
>
> Hey I'm Chad, just joined this group, and I just finished Half
> Blood Prince for the second time.  I was wondering if there's
> any debate on whether Dumbledore was killed by Snape in spite
> of his treachery or if it was a detailed plan sought out by
> the two.  Maybe there was a horcrux whithin Dumbledore and
> even Harry himself, and Snape was chosen to kill Voldemort and
> Harry once they met. I was also wondering if anyone had any
> ideas who R.A.B is and how he or she is connected to the story.
> Ty!!
>
Carol responds:
Hi, Chad. I think it's universally agreed that RAB is Regulus Black
(okay, maybe one or two people are holding out for another candidate,
but the initials RAZ and the translation Regulus Zwarts (sp?) in the
Dutch version pretty much sealed the argument in Reggie's favor.

Funny you should ask about Snape and Dumbledore. I just posted my
first-ever Internet article on how Snape could have killed Dumbledore
and still be Dumbledore's man. (You'll find a lot more theories and
posts on that subject on the main HPfGU list. Just do a search with
Dumbledore Snape tower as search terms and you'll be overwhelmed with
links to post and threads.)

Anyway, here's a link to my article on the gather.com site

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976915293

and to my HPfGu post quoting the article:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/165260

Any comments on either site would be appreciated. (Please be kind as
this is my first attempt at an Internet article accessible to the
general public.)

Carol, who likes detailed responses that generate discussion






From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 22 04:58:41 2007
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:58:41 -0000
Subject: Harry and Buffy, Umbridge
Message-ID: <erj7u1+cb00@eGroups.com>

Has anyone noticed the sameness of Doloros Umbridge and the Doloros in 
the Buffy episode, "Gone"? Flowery clothes and room adornments. Pastel 
cow mug, sort of like kitten plates? Walking around with a clipboard? 
Hated by all, with snide remarks from co-workers? I never knew JKR was 
a BtVS fan! Cool!

Alex




From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 22 07:35:40 2007
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:35:40 -0000
Subject: speaking of parties...
In-Reply-To: <ca4.9ac023c.330c6041@aol.com>
Message-ID: <erjh4c+2jkb@eGroups.com>


> 
> Awesome ideas DD!  
DD here:

thanx(but I was not the one in costume....._and I have several hats 
worth well over $300 which I'm always afraid of wearing to public 
events in case someone ripped it off my head LOL! (not fashion 
hats...but wild and crazy hats I've had made for myself...)...

Hilaire stated:

 I made a Minerva costume for myself, but chose  a subdued plaid for 
my cloak and most people thought I was a regular witch, not  a 
deputy head mistress.  LOL  
> 
> Y Hilaire

Doddiemoemoe again:
When doning a costume it's not about what other's think but what you 
feel...at these shindigs you have to project said attitude....

A game I play, with myself while waiting in line is to project 
certain characters from hogwarts...DD, MM, Hagrid, Snape, Ron etc 
etc...now, I receive no  awards but I love amusing the folks in line 
around me.  I also read out loud in line(in the early years I would 
read books from the bookshelves around me while I was in line.  
However, now, I  tend to read Jean Shepherd or something from 
the "Little House on the Prarie" series...sad...yet folks should map 
out the line in different directions every year a book is 
realeased..I always went to the same couple of book stores in my 
innocent days.

DD
(who had a hat made for all of her favorite comic books written 
before 1970, and whose biggest hat is larger than the flag than flys 
off her patio... 
>




From lelier at cox.net  Thu Feb 22 17:55:12 2007
From: lelier at cox.net (Lisa Lier)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:55:12 -0600
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <erjh4c+2jkb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <074f01c756aa$9cd62f20$0302a8c0@laacey>

 

Hi all!

 

Over the years I've thought I understood how to "find" things on web
sites.. But JKR's site is proving to be a puzzle for me.  Maybe I'm just
getting old?  Hhhmm.  anyway.

 

I KNOW you guys have found things on her site.. collected things in a
personal scrapbook.  I can't do any of these things!  Is there a setting
on my computer that is preventing me from picking up things?  I'm
running a PC with Windows home edition of "XP" on it.  

 

HELP!  I want to play too!

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Lisa 



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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 17:58:43 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:58:43 -0000
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <074f01c756aa$9cd62f20$0302a8c0@laacey>
Message-ID: <erklkk+crrb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lier" <lelier at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  
> 
> Hi all!
> 
>  
> 
> Over the years I've thought I understood how to "find" things on web
> sites.. But JKR's site is proving to be a puzzle for me.  Maybe I'm 
just
> getting old?  Hhhmm.  anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> I KNOW you guys have found things on her site.. collected things in 
a
> personal scrapbook.  I can't do any of these things!  Is there a 
setting
> on my computer that is preventing me from picking up things?  I'm
> running a PC with Windows home edition of "XP" on it.  
> 
>  
> 
> HELP!  I want to play too!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
>  
> 
> Lisa 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 17:58:43 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:58:43 -0000
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <074f01c756aa$9cd62f20$0302a8c0@laacey>
Message-ID: <erklkj+cjf7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lier" <lelier at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  
> 
> Hi all!
> 
>  
> 
> Over the years I've thought I understood how to "find" things on web
> sites.. But JKR's site is proving to be a puzzle for me.  Maybe I'm 
just
> getting old?  Hhhmm.  anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> I KNOW you guys have found things on her site.. collected things in 
a
> personal scrapbook.  I can't do any of these things!  Is there a 
setting
> on my computer that is preventing me from picking up things?  I'm
> running a PC with Windows home edition of "XP" on it.  
> 
>  
> 
> HELP!  I want to play too!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
>  
> 
> Lisa 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 22 18:03:56 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:03:56 -0000
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <074f01c756aa$9cd62f20$0302a8c0@laacey>
Message-ID: <erkluc+nsk8@eGroups.com>

Hi there!
I'm Belinda, the editor of the HP Lexicon's Guide to Jo's official 
site.  You can find the Guide at this link:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html

If you are unable to pick things up and move them, I suspect you've 
entered the Accessibility Enabled Version of the site.  That version 
is designed for folks who use assistive technology like screen 
readers, and keyboard controls instead of the mouse. (That's why you 
can't move things. =)

Try entering the site through one of the language choice flags 
(Britsh for English).  If that doesn't solve your problem, please 
write again! I'll be happy to answer any questions for you.

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lier" <lelier at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  
> 
> Hi all!
> 
>  
> 
> Over the years I've thought I understood how to "find" things on web
> sites.. But JKR's site is proving to be a puzzle for me.  Maybe I'm 
just
> getting old?  Hhhmm.  anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> I KNOW you guys have found things on her site.. collected things in 
a
> personal scrapbook.  I can't do any of these things!  Is there a 
setting
> on my computer that is preventing me from picking up things?  I'm
> running a PC with Windows home edition of "XP" on it.  
> 
>  
> 
> HELP!  I want to play too!
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
>  
> 
> Lisa 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 22 20:15:08 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:15:08 -0000
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <erkluc+nsk8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <erktkc+5q0i@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:

There are actually three versions of the site. As Belinda
points out, there is the 'Accessibility Enabled' verion,
but there is also 'Text Only' and the Standard FLASH 
Version.

To get to the 'Text Only' version, which is best if you
want FAST access to site information, select

"Text Only Version" where it appears above the British
Flag and 'Ender Site'.

To go to the Standard FLASH version, select the square
containing the British Flag.

NOTE: The Standard FLASH version is just that; it uses
Adobe FLASH Player, and will not work without it. All 
the floating objects and every selection is mediated by
Adobe Flash Player. You must have that installed and
setup correctly, though there are few settings.

To check the settings, right click on the JKR Desktop
Flash Screen and select 'Settings' or 'About Adobe
Flash Player'. I am currently using version 9, though
I'm not sure if that is the latest version or not.

Steve/bboyminn


---  "Belinda" <bhobbs36 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi there!
> I'm Belinda, the editor of the 
> HP Lexicon's Guide to Jo's official  site.  
> You can find the Guide at this link:
> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html
> 
> If you are unable to pick things up and move them, I
>  suspect you've entered the Accessibility Enabled 
> Version of the site.  That version is designed for 
> folks who use assistive technology like screen readers,
> and keyboard controls instead of the mouse. (That's why
> you can't move things. =)
> 
> Try entering the site through one of the language 
> choice flags (Britsh for English).  If that doesn't 
> solve your problem, please  write again! I'll be happy
> to answer any questions for you.
> 

> ---  "Lisa Lier" <lelier@> 
> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > 
> > Hi all!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Over the years I've thought I understood how to 
> > "find" things on web sites.. But JKR's site is 
> > proving to be a puzzle for me.  Maybe I'm just
> > getting old?  Hhhmm.  anyway.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > ... Is there a setting on my computer that is 
> > preventing me from picking up things?  I'mrunning 
> > a PC with Windows home edition of "XP" on it.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > HELP!  I want to play too!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Lisa 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





From lysles3 at aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:54:50 2007
From: lysles3 at aol.com (lysles3 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:54:50 EST
Subject: Trouble with AOL and the JKR website
Message-ID: <cf3.a28e37e.330f6b2a@aol.com>

Is anyone else with AOL having trouble with the JKR  website?  I can access 
it, but the desk items don't drop down.  Same  thing happens when I access with 
Internet Explorer.  It's not unusual for  there to be glitches when the site 
is being updated, but I haven't been able to  check the door for 2 DAYS!  lol  
I have been checking the Lexicon to  make sure I'm not actually missing 
anything though.  I realize this may  just go away, but if anyone has a suggestion 
for fixing it, I'd appreciate  it.  Thanks!  

Y Hil


<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free 
email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
http://www.aol.com.


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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Fri Feb 23 00:43:58 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:43:58 -0000
Subject: Trouble with AOL and the JKR website
In-Reply-To: <cf3.a28e37e.330f6b2a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <erldce+ensc@eGroups.com>

I have had reports many times about folks using AOL having trouble 
with Flashplayer on Jo's site.  Unfortunately, I don't have any 
answers an how to fix it, if that's possible.  So I'd too like to 
hear from anyone with answers. :-)
But I can tell you that you're not alone, sorry.


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, lysles3 at ... wrote:
>
> Is anyone else with AOL having trouble with the JKR  website?  I 
can access 
> it, but the desk items don't drop down.  Same  thing happens when I 
access with 
> Internet Explorer.  It's not unusual for  there to be glitches when 
the site 
> is being updated, but I haven't been able to  check the door for 2 
DAYS!  lol  
> I have been checking the Lexicon to  make sure I'm not actually 
missing 
> anything though.  I realize this may  just go away, but if anyone 
has a suggestion 
> for fixing it, I'd appreciate  it.  Thanks!  
> 
> Y Hil
> 
> 
> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now 
offers free 
> email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
> http://www.aol.com.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From lelier at cox.net  Fri Feb 23 02:41:02 2007
From: lelier at cox.net (Lisa Lier)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:41:02 -0600
Subject: Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <erldce+ensc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <081201c756f4$11cb65e0$0302a8c0@laacey>

I am looking to rent the books on CD because I am disabled and cannot
afford to buy them at the retail price!

 

Is there anyone here that can refer me to a good place, be it a brick
and mortar store or internet site.  I just need it to be reasonably
priced!  $50 a book is more than I can afford.

 

I have HBP on CD. but would LOVE to have the others also!

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Lisa



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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 23 02:50:29 2007
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:50:29 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <081201c756f4$11cb65e0$0302a8c0@laacey>
Message-ID: <E1HKQVz-0004LB-0s@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Lisa
I am looking to rent the books on CD because I am disabled and cannot afford
to buy them at the retail price!

 

Is there anyone here that can refer me to a good place, be it a brick and
mortar store or internet site.  I just need it to be reasonably priced!  $50
a book is more than I can afford.

 

I have HBP on CD. but would LOVE to have the others also!

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Lisa




Sherry now:

Lisa, in what country do you live?  I can only speak for the US, but if you
are in the US, are you a subscriber to the national library service for the
blind and physically handicapped, NLS.  It's run through the library of
Congress, and is a free reading service for the blind.  they have all the HP
books, as well as hundreds of thousands, probably millions of others.  There
is also bookshare.org, where for a $50 annual membership fee, a blind or
print handicapped person can download books and read them in either digital
braille or with a screen reader on a computer.  if you are in other
countries, I know Canada and England have similar reading programs, and I
would guess most other countries do something.  If you are in the US, and
you need more info about these sources, feel free to write me off list.  I
am blind and have been using these services, particularly NLS, for most of
my life.

Sherry




From LynnKQuinn at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 03:37:51 2007
From: LynnKQuinn at aol.com (eyemlynn)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:37:51 -0000
Subject: Ordering DH online
Message-ID: <erlnif+rp02@eGroups.com>

Hi all!

I know some of you have ordered your HP books on-line prior to the 
release date. I am tempted to order DH on-line through Barnes & Noble. 
When will it get to me (US)? I looked on their website and even asked 
someone at their store and no one can tell me when its shipped. I'm 
just wondering if I would get it Saturday Morning or sometime Tuesday.

BTW, I am reading the Coldfire trilogy that someone here recommended. I 
just started the second book. I'm still not sure about it. I've read HP 
8 times since I picked up the first book a year ago (all 6) so I need 
to read something else....lol

TIA

Lynn (from Philly, PA)




From lelier at cox.net  Thu Feb 22 21:07:38 2007
From: lelier at cox.net (Lisa Lier)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:07:38 -0600
Subject: JKR's Web site
In-Reply-To: <erkluc+nsk8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <079f01c756c5$7e9f1790$0302a8c0@laacey>

> Hi there!
> I'm Belinda, the editor of the HP Lexicon's Guide to Jo's official 
> site. You can find the Guide at this link:
> http://www.hp-
> <http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html>
> lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html
> 
> If you are unable to pick things up and move them, I suspect you've 
> entered the Accessibility Enabled Version of the site. That version 
> is designed for folks who use assistive technology like screen 
> readers, and keyboard controls instead of the mouse. (That's why you 
> can't move things. =)
>
> Try entering the site through one of the language choice flags 
> (Britsh for English). If that doesn't solve your problem, please 
> write again! I'll be happy to answer any questions for you.




YIKES!  I feel like a totally idiot!  I'll go try it all again.. To
think I've actually taken courses on HTML and such at school. and didn't
figure out the OBVIOUS!

 

Thanks a million.

 

Now for a break before the beginning CofS!

 

TTYS!

Lisa



From lalasroom at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 14:08:06 2007
From: lalasroom at aol.com (Yolanda)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:08:06 -0000
Subject: Audio Books
In-Reply-To: <081201c756f4$11cb65e0$0302a8c0@laacey>
Message-ID: <ermsg6+1kp1@eGroups.com>

In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lier" <lelier at ...> wrote:
>
> I am looking to rent the books on CD because I am disabled and
cannot
> afford to buy them at the retail price!
>
>
>
> Is there anyone here that can refer me to a good place, be it a
brick
> and mortar store or internet site.  I just need it to be reasonably
> priced!  $50 a book is more than I can afford.


Of course I do buy all the Harry Potter audio's & movies. But I get
all my other audio books at the library. If they don't have one I
want I request that they get it and they usually do. Check with your
library and see if they have a web-site. Mine does. I go there and
order what I want and they send me a e-mail when it is ready to pick
up. You are able to pull up by author or title. If you pull up the
author there is a list of everything they have by them and also if it
is available in audio. When you order something you are given a
choice of what library you want to pick it up at in OKC. This is what
our site looks like in OKC.
http://cybermars.mls.lib.ok.us/marsiis/cybermars.asp
If you aren't able to pick them up and return maybe a friend could.

~Lala~ ^^?^^ ^^?^^ (Oklahoma)

Yesterday is the past Tomorrow is the future Today is a "Gift" That
is why it
is called the "Present"



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 24 18:26:10 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:26:10 -0000
Subject: Trouble with AOL and the JKR website
In-Reply-To: <erldce+ensc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <erq002+mo3t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Belinda" <bhobbs36 at ...> wrote:
>
> I have had reports many times about folks using AOL having trouble 
> with Flashplayer on Jo's site.  Unfortunately, I don't have any 
> answers an how to fix it, if that's possible.  So I'd too like to 
> hear from anyone with answers. :-)
> But I can tell you that you're not alone, sorry.

Carol responds:
It may have something to do with the version of the flash player
that's installed. For example, Flash Player 9 is completely
incompatible with Netscape, and causes it to crash. Something similar
could be going on with IE or AOL. AOL itself sometimes causes crashes.
I considered using it when my regular ISP was down, but it didn't
work, and the newly installed components interfered with Yahoo and
everything else.

My suggestion: If you don't want to use Netscape or Firefox or some
other alternate browser, install the latest Flash Player, the one
that's compatible with IE but no other browser, and get rid of AOLL.
There are many cheaper ISPs out there that don't control your browsing
and interfere with other programs the way AOL does.

Carol, wondering if the people who were collecting AOL CDs to dump on
the company's doorstep once they'd collected a million of them are
still engaged in their noble work




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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 19:56:12 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:56:12 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
Message-ID: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com>

I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.

At the link below you will find a general article about
Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
However, there is one additional feature, and relative
to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.

Scroll down below the 'Google Ads' until you see a
small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
the delicate and strategic area. It is a full frontal
verion of the photo shots with DAN and the white horse.

http://thebosh.com/archives/2007/02/daniel_radcliffe_slammed_for_smoking_going_nude.php

! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
If the moderators feel that this is inappropriate for
this group then I will have no problem with them DELETING
this post or asking me to delete it. Which I will do with
out hesitation.
! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I trust that people are adult enough to keep this in 
the proper artistic perspective. 

If you do not want to see, then please don't look. 

This Clebrity News site is 'The Bosh' which bill itself
in this way -

"Daily celebrity & entertainment news, celebrity gossip,
and celebrity photos & video"

Obviously tabloid and sensationalistic. If that seems
as if it might offend you, then again, please don't 
look.

Steve/bboyminn




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Feb 25 21:37:59 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:37:59 -0000
Subject: DD's portrait // Daniel's acting
Message-ID: <ersvjn+9r7e@eGroups.com>

Steve bboyminn wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/31541>:

<< I can't help wonder if a great wizard like Dumbledore
has other portraits in other locations in the Wizard
World? >>

Having been Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot should rate a portrait,
but maybe not in any place that the story will go. When we saw the
courtroom in OoP (and in GoF Pensieve flashbacks), we saw no portraits
in it; maybe because they would shout and be disruptive during trials...

Steve bboyminn wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/31612>:

<< At the link [in Steve's post] you will find a general article about
Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. >> 

The stupid article called him '[t]he baby-faced star' right under a
large photo (only chest up) of Radcliffe with a quite adult face.

I am a little freaked out that Radcliffe is so committed to acting
when he was an accidental actor -- the only kid selected in all the HP
casting calls who had no previous acting experience.




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Sun Feb 25 22:13:23 2007
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:13:23 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: DD's portrait // Daniel's acting
In-Reply-To: <ersvjn+9r7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E2A4B3.29151.461516@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 25 Feb 2007 at 21:37, Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:

> I am a little freaked out that Radcliffe is so committed to acting
> when he was an accidental actor -- the only kid selected in all the
> HP
> casting calls who had no previous acting experience.

Ah - what about David Copperfield?

Or do you know something I'm missing? (-8

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From erikog at one.net  Sun Feb 25 22:14:49 2007
From: erikog at one.net (krista7)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:14:49 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ert1op+b1vb@eGroups.com>

> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> 
> At the link below you will find a general article about
> Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
> However, there is one additional feature, and relative
> to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.
> 
> Scroll down below the 'Google Ads' until you see a
> small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
> very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
> shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
> the delicate and strategic area.


I haven't followed the link (I'm not exactly comfortable 
with seeing Dan this way!) but my understanding is that 
any true nude shots of Dan are Photoshops. One celeb site 
(Oh No They Didn't) debunked at least
one nude photo by saying either the photographer or Dan 
had noted in an article that no full-frontal photos of 
Dan existed--they didn'ttake a single true full nude shot,
 because they knew it would not end up being used in the 
sphere of just play publicity.

Krista




From drdara at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 22:17:38 2007
From: drdara at yahoo.com (danielle dassero)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:17:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: DD's portrait // Daniel's acting
Message-ID: <802779.35553.qm@web60713.mail.yahoo.com>

Catlady said:
I am a little freaked out that Radcliffe is so committed to acting
when he was an accidental actor -- the only kid selected in all the HP
casting calls who had no previous acting experience.


The Tailor of Panama (2001) .... Mark Pendel


David Copperfield (1999) (TV) .... Young David Copperfield


check on imdb.com, Daniel Radcliffe has professionally acted before.
Rupert Grint had never been in a professional production before, he had only done school plays and same with Emma Watson. IMDB.com is a great place to check out profiles of actors.

Danielle



 



 
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From Aixoise at snet.net  Sun Feb 25 22:27:07 2007
From: Aixoise at snet.net (Stacey Nunes-Ranchy)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:27:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <ert1op+b1vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03a501c7592c$16270ec0$66fea8c0@outlooksoft.com>

:::Having been to quite a few museums and never been shocked by nudes:::

 

It seems to me that this photo COMPLETELY doctored!  Just looking at the
size of the legs that appear below, it's clear that they come from another
person.  Not to mention the fact that the body hair above and below a
certain point don't seem to match. Poor Dan..

 

Stacey

  _____  

From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of krista7
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:15 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full

 

> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> 
> At the link below you will find a general article about
> Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
> However, there is one additional feature, and relative
> to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.
> 
> Scroll down below the 'Google Ads' until you see a
> small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
> very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
> shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
> the delicate and strategic area.

I haven't followed the link (I'm not exactly comfortable 
with seeing Dan this way!) but my understanding is that 
any true nude shots of Dan are Photoshops. One celeb site 
(Oh No They Didn't) debunked at least
one nude photo by saying either the photographer or Dan 
had noted in an article that no full-frontal photos of 
Dan existed--they didn'ttake a single true full nude shot,
because they knew it would not end up being used in the 
sphere of just play publicity.

Krista

 



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 23:02:59 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:02:59 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - 2nd Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ert4j3+94s7@eGroups.com>

I've had time to contemplate this photo, no not that way,
but I can't help wondering if this photo is either 
Unauthorized or a fake/Photoshopped version? (as others
have also pointed out)

I am considering bringing it to the attention of either
the Theater where the play is staged and/or bringing
it to the attention of DanRadcliffe.com and 
DanRadcliffe.co.uk. Neither of these site would ever
publish this, but I get that sense that to some
extent Dan officially endorse them. That means they
have some way to contact representatives of Dan, and
those representatives could determine the nature and 
appropriateness of these images and take appropriate
action if necessary.

Does anyone know who Dan's Agent is? I don't recall
seeing that information anywhere.

What do other think, should I contact someone and
make sure they are aware that this photo exists, or
should I just let it ride, and does anyone know the
most appropriate person to contact in this regard?

By the way, I found this by searching Google-News for
'Daniel Radcliffe', right now it comes up first on the
list. That means a lot of people could be exposed to 
this. Initially, I assumed it was simply an unedited
version of the Equus photos we have all seen. It's
just that this site had no qualms about publishing it
whereas other site thought it more appropriate to 
only publish the edited versions.

I'm open to suggestions as to the best way to respond.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 23:51:08 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:51:08 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - 2nd Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <ert4j3+94s7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ert7dc+invu@eGroups.com>

--- ... "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> ...
> 
> I am considering bringing it to the attention of either
> the Theater where the play is staged and/or bringing
> it to the attention of DanRadcliffe.com and 
> DanRadcliffe.co.uk. 


I've contacted both these sites. DanRadcliffe.com has
an on-line form, so I don't know who the email actually
went to. (probably Jenna or Liddee)

At DanRacliffe.co.uk they have actual email addresses
for staff members, I sent an email to the webmaster and
copies to the two British resident representatives. 
Hopefully they will have the information to act on this
and contact the right people.

I did find the name and address of Dan's Agent, but 
couldn't find an email address, nor could I find an
email address for the Theater. However, I did find the
agents phone number in London, and if someone in or near
London would like to pass this information on to them 
by phone, I would be happy to supply it. (ARG Talent, 
4 Great Portland Street, London WIW 8PA)


Oddly, if this is a real photo and they are authorized 
to publish it, I don't find the image at all offensive.
On the other hand, this is a very Tabloid/Gossip website
and they could simply being trying to sensationalize the
story, in that case, I find the image very offensive.
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!

Hopefully, I will get a reply for the Dan Radcliffe sites,
if I do, I will let you know what they did about it.

One of the hazards of impulsive posting. Sorry.

Steve/bboyminn




From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Feb 26 01:21:58 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:58 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe -
 Full
In-Reply-To: <ert1op+b1vb@eGroups.com>
References: <ert1op+b1vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E23636.3040303@internode.on.net>

krista7 wrote:
>> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
>> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
>>
>> At the link below you will find a general article about
>> Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
>> However, there is one additional feature, and relative
>> to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.

This is one reason I hate this world.

The sheer horror of seeing a nipple or a penis...
we've all got one or the other, big deal.

What disgusts me more is the public acceptance of guns and
violence.

I'd far rather watch a couple making live, for gods sake,
it's *normal*

I really wish the world would just get over it.

Wolfie!
-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 02:37:23 2007
From: kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com (Kayla Pittillo)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:37:23 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <45E23636.3040303@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <erth54+krum@eGroups.com>

>
> This is one reason I hate this world.
>
> The sheer horror of seeing a nipple or a penis...
> we've all got one or the other, big deal.
>
> What disgusts me more is the public acceptance of guns and
> violence.
>
> I'd far rather watch a couple making live, for gods sake,
> it's *normal*
>
> I really wish the world would just get over it.
>
> Wolfie!
> --
>                Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.
>
>                      ICQ - 3449014
>
>                   Skype - Wolfie_storr
>
>                   * Eats a kid a day *


while I agree that it is *normal* or more appropriately *natural*
there ARE laws that must be dealt with and I for one wouldn't desire
to do time, or have any child of mine do time for sexual "crimes"
such as seeing a piece of genitalia, having sex with another minor or
nuzzling a teacher's boob. (something that happened here in the
states with a 5 year old little boy, who the teacher tried to have
charged with sexual harrasment) in cases like that, often the
punishment is far worse than the crime. Daniel is legally an adult,
right? how would it be if he were 14, and this accidentally happened?
I tell you, he'd likely be charged as a sexual deviant and be put
into jail, where he'd end up being gang raped or something like that.
That is often the case with minors here in the states. they do
something "wrong" and they end up being abused worse than the crime
they were tried for.

Therefore I don't begrudge the warning. If it keeps some zealous
parent or child care provider from doing much more than they should,
I'm for it.

sine_sim_fan





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 04:00:33 2007
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:00:33 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ertm11+kkr5@eGroups.com>

"Steve" wrote:
>
> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> 
> ... a general article about
> Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
> However, there is one additional feature, and relative
> to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.
> 
> Scroll down ...you see a
> small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
> very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
> shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
> the delicate and strategic area. It is a full frontal
> verion of the photo shots with DAN and the white horse.


Kemper now:
If Dan was engaged in a sex act, I would agree with the Adults Only 
Warning.

It is obviously a fake.  Where's the horse's leg in the lower half?  
And Harry's legs are effing huge compared to the rest of his body.

Kemper, who has changed his mind about Daniel's acting and now 
admires him a bit




From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Feb 26 04:38:54 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:38:54 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe -
 Full
In-Reply-To: <erth54+krum@eGroups.com>
References: <erth54+krum@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E2645E.9080007@internode.on.net>


> while I agree that it is *normal* or more appropriately *natural* 
> there ARE laws that must be dealt with and I for one wouldn't desire 
> to do time, or have any child of mine do time for sexual "crimes" 
> such as seeing a piece of genitalia, having sex with another minor or 
> nuzzling a teacher's boob. 

Nobody mentioned a crime... nudity isn't a crime, nor is an erection
or a lactation, or even a penetration.

Letme put it to you that if all the penises in the world were felled by
some disease, and none worked at all, the world would go insane in a
month.

You would have nothing but news stories on limp willies all over the
place, and people would *grow up* real fast.

> Daniel is legally an adult, 
> right? how would it be if he were 14, and this accidentally happened? 

What do you mean "accidentally"
he's acting and there's nudity... that's no accident.

> I tell you, he'd likely be charged as a sexual deviant and be put 
> into jail, where he'd end up being gang raped or something like that. 
> That is often the case with minors here in the states. they do 
> something "wrong" and they end up being abused worse than the crime 
> they were tried for. 

Jail isn't the greatest of places for anyone to be.

> Therefore I don't begrudge the warning. If it keeps some zealous 
> parent or child care provider from doing much more than they should, 
> I'm for it.

Nah,more tits on the superbowl,I say.

Hell,if I were on Oprah, I'd show them all my nipple.

Wolfie!

-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 26 05:32:11 2007
From: kayla_pittillo at hotmail.com (Kayla Pittillo)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:32:11 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <45E2645E.9080007@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <ertrcr+fj9b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>
>
> > while I agree that it is *normal* or more appropriately *natural*
> > there ARE laws that must be dealt with and I for one wouldn't
desire
> > to do time, or have any child of mine do time for sexual "crimes"
> > such as seeing a piece of genitalia, having sex with another
minor or
> > nuzzling a teacher's boob.
>
> Nobody mentioned a crime... nudity isn't a crime, nor is an erection
> or a lactation, or even a penetration.
>
> Letme put it to you that if all the penises in the world were
felled by
> some disease, and none worked at all, the world would go insane in a
> month.
>
> You would have nothing but news stories on limp willies all over the
> place, and people would *grow up* real fast.
>
> > Daniel is legally an adult,
> > right? how would it be if he were 14, and this accidentally
happened?
>
> What do you mean "accidentally"
> he's acting and there's nudity... that's no accident.
>
> > I tell you, he'd likely be charged as a sexual deviant and be put
> > into jail, where he'd end up being gang raped or something like
that.
> > That is often the case with minors here in the states. they do
> > something "wrong" and they end up being abused worse than the
crime
> > they were tried for.
>
> Jail isn't the greatest of places for anyone to be.
>
> > Therefore I don't begrudge the warning. If it keeps some zealous
> > parent or child care provider from doing much more than they
should,
> > I'm for it.
>
> Nah, more tits on the superbowl, I say.
>
> Hell,if I were on Oprah, I'd show them all my nipple.


Let me put it to you this way. I don't mind the fact young Mr.
Radcliffe presumably appeared nude in public.

I don't mind graphic depections of genitals.

I have no objection to expression of one's being.

What I do object to is the fact there are so called morals police
that pitch a fit when a mother nurses a child with her breast instead
of a bottle.

I object to people policing other people's morality and nature.

With that in mind, I don't oppose a warning when a link to nudity is
being posted, simply because I don't want some curious teenager to
end up being prosecuted because his or her parents and religious
leader don't want him or her exposed to sexuality in any way, shape,
or form.

It's the morals police that get me. Not the nudity.

sine_sim_fan



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 07:19:42 2007
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:19:42 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <ertrcr+fj9b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eru1me+aqk3@eGroups.com>


> sine_sim_fan wrote:
> 
> With that in mind, I don't oppose a warning when a link to nudity is
> being posted, simply because I don't want some curious teenager to
> end up being prosecuted because his or her parents and religious
> leader don't want him or her exposed to sexuality in any way, shape,
> or form.
> 
> It's the morals police that get me. Not the nudity.
> 

Kemper now:

a side comment before the main... a request to you and Wolfie, it 
would be easier for me to read if you site who you're quoting and you 
say when it's you that replying.  Please and thank you. 

I agree with you, ssf, regarding the moral police.  But by requesting 
a warning is a loss to freedom and a win to the moral police (I 
prefer 'moral terrorists' as police should have a more positive 
connotation).

Nudity is not sexuality.  
Limp penis: nudity
Erect penis: sexuality
professional message: nudity
happy ending: sexuality

Kemper






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 07:23:31 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:23:31 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - On The Warning
In-Reply-To: <45E23636.3040303@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <eru1tj+t3nv@eGroups.com>

---  "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>
> krista7 wrote:
> >> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> >> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> >>
> >> At the link below you will find a general article 
> >> about Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on
> >> stage. However, there is one additional feature, 
> >> and relative to this one features, I must again 
> >> warn *Adults Only*.

> Wolfie:
> 
> This is one reason I hate this world.
> 
> The sheer horror of seeing a nipple or a penis...
> we've all got one or the other, big deal.
> 
> What disgusts me more is the public acceptance of 
> guns and violence.
> 
> I'd far rather watch a couple making live, for gods
> sake, it's *normal*
> 
> I really wish the world would just get over it.
> 
> Wolfie!

bboyminn:

Within a certain framework of course you are right.

My purpose in giving repeated warnings was "Informed
Choice". I wanted people to fully understand the 
nature of this photo image, and to therefore be
able to make their individual choices in the matter.
Note that some people here, understanding the nature
of the photo, chose not to look for personal reasons.
It would have been uncomfortable for some to have simply 
posted the link, and then had some fan go to the site
thinking they were going to see another 'Fan' photo
of Dan, only to find a full nude image. Some people
simply do not want to see Dan in that light. I wanted
them to understand the nature of the photo BEFORE 
they saw it. Again, I wanted to make sure people
could have an 'informed choice'.

Personally, I have no problem with nudity, but I had
to respond with a mind toward serving the greatest
number of people in the best and most informed way. 

As to nudity in general, that is usually 'Christian
Guilt'. The Japanese, for example, used to be very
open about nudity. For the most part, nudity and
sexuality were completely separate. There were 
many public bath in Japan, and it wasn't uncommon
for a family to gather with their neighbors, including
the kids, and make a 'nude' night of it at the public
bath. 

However, once Christian Westerners intruded on Japans
very open and natural society, they heapws loads of 
guilt on them, and gradually Japan changed. Now nearly
all the 'family' public baths are closed, and only the
more seedy type remain. 

Oddly, societies like this that were open and casual 
about nudity, were also very modest and conservative 
societies, which, in some sense, seems a contradiction.
However, ever if you look at western societies that are
very hung up about nudity, they are usually the most 
immoral and promiscuous societies. Again, a seeming 
contradiction. 

Note that at one time nudity was so frowned upon by
'Christians' that any nudity was forbidden. You couldn't
be nude to bath. May priests would bath themselves with
their robes on. Others went so far as to NEVER bath on
the assumption that any touching of the body was a sin.

Just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn




From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Feb 26 08:37:47 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:37:47 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe -
 Full
In-Reply-To: <eru1me+aqk3@eGroups.com>
References: <eru1me+aqk3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E29C5B.5020903@internode.on.net>


> Nudity is not sexuality.  
> Limp penis: nudity
> Erect penis: sexuality
> professional message: nudity
> happy ending: sexuality
> 
> Kemper

Happier ending: sex.

-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From wuff at internode.on.net  Mon Feb 26 08:36:44 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:36:44 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe -
 Full
In-Reply-To: <ertrcr+fj9b@eGroups.com>
References: <ertrcr+fj9b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E29C1C.3090408@internode.on.net>


> It's the morals police that get me. Not the nudity.

Agreed, fair enough, it's good to nut-proof things.
I think the most dangerous thing now is religion,
we should get rid of that before some lunatic nukes the place.

Wolfie!

-- 
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                     ICQ - 3449014

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From kkersey at swbell.net  Mon Feb 26 17:03:10 2007
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:03:10 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <45E29C1C.3090408@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <erv3se+20u4@eGroups.com>

This thread seems to be veering toward the inflamatory and the
offensive. Can we cool it down, folks? Stop the name-calling at least?
We *are* all *adults* here, right? :-)

Steve was right to warn us about the nudity in the photo he linked to.
 Whether or not a someone on this list personally has hang-ups about
nudity (or about modesty ;-) ), the fact is that people on this list
are not necessarily accessing it in a private location - they may be
at schools, offices, libraries, cafes, their mother-in-law's living
room. Myself, I have a friend's five-year-old over for a playdate
right now, and would not in a million years want him to go home and
report to his parents that he saw me looking at pictures of Harry
Potter without his robes - or anything else - on. Asking folks to
follow a link to "not safe for work" content without a warning is the
internet equivalent of a sucker punch. We're a diverse group on this
list, and a bit of tolerance for other folks' situations and
sensibilities is in order, in my opinion. 

(Now, I do think Steve's subject line was a bit, er, sensational?
Enough so that I flipped to a different window real quick last night
when I saw this chain of messages, and waited until I was alone in the
room before going back to see what was going on here!)


Elisabet, who is neither a nut nor a fanatic nor a member of the moral
police - just a member of this great HPfGU community




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 19:27:34 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:27:34 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <erv3se+20u4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ervcb6+qn2m@eGroups.com>

---  "kkersey_austin" <kkersey at ...> wrote:
>
> This thread seems to be veering toward the inflamatory
> and the offensive. Can we cool it down, folks? Stop 
> the name-calling at least? We *are* all *adults* here,
> right? :-)
> 
> Steve was right to warn us about the nudity in the 
> photo he linked to.
>  ...
> 
> (Now, I do think Steve's subject line was a bit, er,
> sensational? Enough so that I flipped to a different
> window real quick last night when I saw this chain of
> messages, and waited until I was alone in the room 
> before going back to see what was going on here!)
> 
> 
> Elisabet, ...

bboyminn:

The result of my Subject line might have been 
sensationalistic, but the intent never was. By your 
own admission, the Subject line did it's work, it
cautioned you before the fact and you acted 
accordingly. 

I didn't want there to be a chance that someone would
open the post and click on the link without reading it,
only to be shocked and offended by what they saw. That
actually could happen. Perhaps I could have chosen my
Subject Heading words a little better, but they produced
the effect I wanted, which was to give people an advance
caution about content.

I find it interesting, the turn this thread has taken.
I feared starting a war between the 'he's beautiful'
and the 'that's obscene' crowds reenforced by the 'that's
illegal' crowd. More than that, I actually wondered if I
would be Banned or put on  probation for posting it. 
That's part of the reason for such blunt in-your-face 
warnings.

Instead we have gotten into a discussion of the general
societal need for such warnings and how we relate to 
nudity in general. I am very glad I was able to stimulate
a worthwhile discussion.

That brings me to CONTEXT, as I have already noted. On
one hand when I thought this was simply a full version
of a previously cropped photo from the Equus photo shoot,
I found the image very appealing. I even found myself
mentally comparing it to Michelangelo's 'David'. Though
'David' is, in a sense, /idealized/ man. What I saw was 
a beautifully artistic male form; very emotionally 
moving.

When people started pointing out that it might be a 
Photoshopped Fake, the image quickly lost it's appeal.
It was no longer art, but a blantant attempt at
sensationalizm and explotation. I was left feeling very
cold. That's when I decided to contact DanRadcliffe.com
and DanRadcliffe.co.uk in hopes that they could do some
thing about this.

I have received a response from DanRadcliffe.co.uk, and 
they said they were aware of the photo but didn't want
to do anything about it as that would only bring more
attention to the site hosting the image. I replied and
pointed out that THEIR awareness wasn't the point. The
question was whether they had made Dan's People aware of
the image so that they could take whatever action they 
felt was appropriate. 

Someone from the group wrote me and told me that Jenna 
of DanRadcliffe.com was aware of the image, but no 
indication whether they had passed that information on
to Dan's People. 

Perhaps, I will hear from them again.

As to the idea that NO fully or indiscretly exposed 
images of Dan exist. I'm having trouble believing that.
The image in the viewfinder rarely is an exact match 
to the image of the photo (digital or print). It would
seem very reasonable that a professional photographer
would have taken the images covering more area of the
body than necessary, and they cropped them for the 
best artistic appeal and for modesty. Certainly, once
they had the final images, the originals could have
been destroyed. 

If find myself wondering if they used Digital Photography
or film/slide/print photography. The problem with film
photography is you have to have the film sent to a 
professional processing lab to get your photos and 
negatives back. That takes time and risks exposing the 
photos to a wider range of people, all of whom probably 
know the tabloids would pay a fortune for full nudes of a 
Star. Consequently, I suspect professional digital 
photography. They are far more secure, easy to post on the
net, easier to edit, and can be transferred with reasonable
ease to print medium.

I can't say for sure, but just generally understanding
the nature of a professional photo shoot, I don't think
you can crop photos that easily or artistically IN the
camera. Of course, I'm not a professional photographer,
so I could be wrong.

Thanks to all for such a positive response to my post.

Steve/bboyminn




From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 19:21:08 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:21:08 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <erv3se+20u4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ervbv4+gq4k@eGroups.com>


I think that it's great the Dan is getting a chance to act on the
stage.  It is something that most American actors refuse or can't
do.

We as Americans are pretty squeemish when it comes to being nude or
seeing people nude, save except for the internet, so we all are a bit
shocked. We don't like to see people stretching the limit or trying
something new.

As for the photo, it may be real, fake or whatever.  It's no matter.
The only thing that is important is that Dan felt that this was the
right decision for him.  The rest of us will be just fine.

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes



From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 19:06:55 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:06:55 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter star Michael Gambon to be a dad again
Message-ID: <ervb4f+cj0t@eGroups.com>

Harry Potter star Michael Gambon to be a dad again.

Sir Michael Gambon is to become a dad again at 66. The Harry Potter
actor's girlfriend of nearly six years, Philippa Hart, is due to give
birth to their first child in May.

Full article:  http://tinyurl.com/2zol7x


Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes




From wuff at internode.on.net  Tue Feb 27 00:44:25 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:44:25 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe -
 Full
In-Reply-To: <ervbv4+gq4k@eGroups.com>
References: <ervbv4+gq4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E37EE9.6020604@internode.on.net>

Zelda Zunk wrote:
> I think that it's great the Dan is getting a chance to act on the 
> stage.  It is something that most American actors refuse or can't 
> do.  
> 
> We as Americans are pretty squeemish when it comes to being nude or 
> seeing people nude, save except for the internet, so we all are a bit 
> shocked. We don't like to see people stretching the limit or trying 
> something new. 

I had my own problems with my body as far as being timid, embarrassed.

Then I got cancer.

When you get that, your idea of the body changes dramatically.

I never saw my body as disgusting, until I got cancer.
I had bowel cancer and ended up with a bag hanging from my side
which collected waste.

Suddenly I had an entirely new outlook on the body, although I was
never offended by other peoples nudity.

The bag is temporary, and I appear to be clear of cancer now...
so the bag may come off, although I am not the same as I was in
different reguards.

There was a documentary on a place in Australia called Nimbin.
This is where "hippies" hang out.

There was a scene where a naked man walked to the corner shop to
buy milk, and I thought that it would be nice if life could be
like that.

However there are practical reasons why people wear clothes.
They stop sunburn, or keep out the cold since the human body is
very poorly "designed" [a term I use loosely as I believe in evolution]

And clothes keep insects off us too.

They're also pretty, they help convey to others who we are or
what we like.

Nudity is not always a practical thing for our species.

I suppose the right reaction to a nude person should be
"Aren't you cold?"

Wolfie!
-- 
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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Feb 27 11:54:12 2007
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:54:12 -0000
Subject: HPEF Seeks Additional Staff Members
Message-ID: <es1654+m49@eGroups.com>

HP Education Fanon, Inc. (HPEF) is the Harry Potter fandom's
longest-running, most successful conference planning organization.
HPEF has produced three events to date and is in the process of
planning three upcoming events in 2007, 2008, and 2009.

As an educational non-profit organization, HPEF is committed to
producing high-quality events that combine a professional and academic
focus with the light-hearted spirit of the Harry Potter series for
scholar and fan alike. By bringing these two seemingly disparate
groups together, HPEF fosters learning and exploration of the Harry
Potter novels and phenomenon from the perspectives of a broad spectrum
of disciplines. HPEF's events have attracted attendees from all over
the globe, including the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico, Peru,
Brazil, Mexico, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Finland, Malta,
the Philippines, Malaysia, China, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and
many other nations. Its activities span the range of academic and fan
interests, which are truly Magical Events for Scholars and Fans.

HPEF seeks:

Corporate Public Relations Officer to help shape its marketing and/or
sponsorship strategies. The Corporate Public Relations Officer will be
responsible for monitoring communications to the HPEF Board of
Directors and will work closely with the Board of to draft, edit, and
distribute corporate communications, including, but not limited to,
announcements, website content, blogs, and other correspondence. The
qualified individual(s) or firm(s) will possess a proven record of
successful publicity campaigning, preferably in the academic
conference and/or fan conference industries. A strong understanding of
online marketing and communication methods, as well as traditional
marketing methods, is essential; a strong identification with the
Harry Potter fandom is a plus. A modest stipend may be available.

Website Administrator and Developer to manage all of HPEF's websites,
including its blogs, message board, corporate sites, and individual
event sites and archives. The Website Administrator and Developer will
be responsible for monitoring all websites controlled and operated by
HPEF, ensuring that the sites are fully integrated to one another and
that they are kept up to date. With latitude for independent
decision-making, the Website Administrator and Developer will also be
responsible for aspects of layout and style, which may include but not
be limited to ad placement, links to on- and off-site pages, page
maintenance, forum creation, and any other tasks related to HPEF's web
presence as agreed on by the Board of Directors. The qualified
individual or firm will possess a proven record of successful website
maintenance and development, particularly with respect to programming
languages such as XTML, PHP, Java, and MYSql. The ability to respond
to requests, work well with the Board, and monitor the sites regularly
is essential. A strong identification with the Harry Potter fandom is
a plus. A modest stipend may be available.

Editor-in-Chief for Corporate Publications to oversee the preparation
and publication of all HPEF event proceedings and other publications.
The Editor-in-Chief will be responsible for maintaining HPEF's style
sheets and working in coordination with planning committee programming
teams to receive papers and presentation materials in advance of
printing deadlines. The Editor-in-Chief will also be responsible for
coordinating with the HPEF legal department to identify and negotiate
publication contracts to the organization's best advantage. The
qualified individual will possess a proven record of highly detailed
academic editing and book layout, good leadership skills, the ability
to work well with disparate programming teams, and knowledge of
internet-based application, approval, and publication methods.
Knowledge of the academic publication industry is essential. A strong
identification with the Harry Potter fandom is a plus. A modest
stipend may be available.

Corporate Sponsorship Officer to work closely with the HPEF Board of
Directors, legal team, and planning committees to devise and implement
sponsorship strategies. The Corporate Sponsorship Officer will be
responsible for establishing and maintaining relationships with fandom
websites, corporate entities, local and national businesses, academic
institutions, and other non-profit organizations, in order to solicit
and obtain sponsorship goods, services, or funds, relative to HPEF's
events and activities. The Corporate Sponsorship Officer will also be
involved in the collection, display, and distribution of items for
HPEF events, including, but not limited to, items for its galleries,
auctions, or contest prizes. The qualified individual or firm will
possess a proven record of successful sponsorship campaigns in a
tax-exempt setting, such as an annual giving campaign or special gifts
campaigns, the ability to work within constraints of time and
oversight. Knowledge of the Harry Potter products and licensees, fan
sites and communities, and related artisans, is essential. A strong
knowledge of conference and convention sponsorship is a plus.
Identification with the Harry Potter fandom is a plus. A modest
stipend may be available.

Please send resumes and cover letters, along with qualifications,
stipend requirements (if any), and three professional references to
hpeducationfanon @ gmail.com.







From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 27 23:19:05 2007
From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:19:05 +0000
Subject: Last call for Book 7 theories!
Message-ID: <6493bc80702271519y18940c0dl6605809f3685152d@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that the deadline for Sectus proposals is February 28th.

If you have a Deathly Hallows theory then Sectus is your *last* chance to
present it before the book release, which will happen right in the middle of
the conference. Whether your theory's plausible or completely insane (or
perhaps a bit of both), we want to hear from you.

We're also accepting proposals for papers, panels, roundtables or workshops
on any Potter-related subject from the academic to the frivolous. Full
details are available at http://www.sectus.org/programme.php, or ask me
off-list if you have any questions.

Regards

Elanor Isolda
Conference Chair
Sectus 2007

-- 
http://community.livejournal.com/sectus_2007

Celebrate the 10th anniversary of Harry Potter in London!  Register now for
Sectus 2007 at http://www.sectus.org


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From catlady at wicca.net  Wed Feb 28 06:36:34 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:36:34 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Cancer
In-Reply-To: <45E37EE9.6020604@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <es37ti+efb5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>
> The bag is temporary, and I appear to be clear of cancer now...
> so the bag may come off, although I am not the same as I was in
> different regards.

I know it's a personal question, none of my business, but ... is your
lycanthropy a side-effect of the cancer therapy?






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 07:14:29 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:14:29 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - 2nd Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <ert7dc+invu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es3a4l+e3a8@eGroups.com>

---  "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- ... "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> > 
> > I am considering bringing it to the attention of 
> > eitherthe Theater where the play is staged and/or 
> > bringing it to the attention of DanRadcliffe.com 
> > and  DanRadcliffe.co.uk. 

> Steve/bboyminn adding additional thoughts:
> 
> I've contacted both these sites. DanRadcliffe.com has
> an on-line form, so I don't know who the email actually
> went to. (probably Jenna or Liddee)
> 
> At DanRacliffe.co.uk they have actual email addresses
> for staff members, I sent an email to the webmaster and
> copies to the two British resident representatives. 
> Hopefully they will have the information to act on this
> and contact the right people.
> 
> ...

bboyminn:

I haven't heard from DanRadcliffe.com yet, but I have
heard from Page at DanRadcliffe.co.uk and she assures
me that Dan's management team IS aware of the photo,
now it is up to them to decide what the appropriate
action is. 

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From wuff at internode.on.net  Wed Feb 28 07:30:49 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:30:49 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Cancer
In-Reply-To: <es37ti+efb5@eGroups.com>
References: <es37ti+efb5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <45E52FA9.7050405@internode.on.net>

Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>> The bag is temporary, and I appear to be clear of cancer now...
>> so the bag may come off, although I am not the same as I was in
>> different regards.
> 
> I know it's a personal question, none of my business, but ... is your
> lycanthropy a side-effect of the cancer therapy?

haha, no.

But I did get a bit of a tan from the radiotherapy.

-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

                     ICQ - 3449014

                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

                  * Eats a kid a day *



From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Feb 28 08:17:20 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:17:20 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: DD's portrait // Daniel's acting
Message-ID: <c87.baaf378.33169490@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/25/07 4:39:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
catlady at wicca.net writes:


> I am a little freaked out that Radcliffe is so committed to acting
> when he was an accidental actor -- the only kid selected in all the HP
> casting calls who had no previous acting experience.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  

Sandy responds:

I am, as per usual, running way behind on my email so someone else may have 
already responded to this, but I will do so nonetheless. I think you are a 
little confused here. Of the actors cast as the main Trio, Daniel was the only one 
with prior acting experience. He had already appeared in the British 
mini-series David Copperfield and the movie The Tailor of Panama. He has wanted to be 
an actor from a very young age; something his parents weren't particularly 
thrilled about. As I have said more than once on the movie list, I am very much 
opposed to his choice of Equus, and the backlash has already started. He has 
plenty of time to prove his acting mettle so I find his choice of this play, 
still being a minor, disturbing.

Sandy


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Feb 28 08:27:51 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:27:51 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
Message-ID: <bfe.11484670.33169707@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/25/07 5:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, erikog at one.net 
writes:


> I haven't followed the link (I'm not exactly comfortable 
> with seeing Dan this way!) but my understanding is that 
> any true nude shots of Dan are Photoshops. One celeb site 
> (Oh No They Didn't) debunked at least
> one nude photo by saying either the photographer or Dan 
> had noted in an article that no full-frontal photos of 
> Dan existed--they didn'ttake a single true full nude shot,
> because they knew it would not end up being used in the 
> sphere of just play publicity.
> 
> Krista
> 

Sandy:

Thanks for posting this, Kate;  you saved me the trouble. I did look at the 
photo, but I knew it wasn't real. Not only did they not take any full nude 
photos, they also did not rehearse the nudity. Opening night was the first time 
Dan appeared fully in the buff. This is what I meant in my last post when I said 
the backlash has already started. 

Sandy


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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 14:16:27 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:27 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only  and Equus first night
In-Reply-To: <ert1op+b1vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es42rr+9aeu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "krista7" <erikog at ...> wrote:
>
> > I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> > special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> > 
> > At the link below you will find a general article about
> > Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
> > However, there is one additional feature, and relative
> > to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.
> > 
> > Scroll down below the 'Google Ads' until you see a
> > small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
> > very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
> > shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
> > the delicate and strategic area.
 
Krista:
> I haven't followed the link (I'm not exactly comfortable 
> with seeing Dan this way!) but my understanding is that 
> any true nude shots of Dan are Photoshops. One celeb site 
> (Oh No They Didn't) debunked at least
> one nude photo by saying either the photographer or Dan 
> had noted in an article that no full-frontal photos of 
> Dan existed--they didn'ttake a single true full nude shot,
>  because they knew it would not end up being used in the 
> sphere of just play publicity.

Geoff:
I've only just caught up on this thread not having visited the 
site for a few days. A couple of thoughts.

(1) Just to support Krista's comment with regard to the fully 
nude photo, I came across it when  I was browsing through 
some of the early newspaper reports about a fortnight ago. 
They were then coming off a German photography site (in 
Cologne IIRC) and were definitely labelled as manips created 
using Photoshop.

(2) Here, on the morning after, BBC television news programmes 
have been covering the first "official" night with interviews 
including Daniel and Richard Griffiths plus celebrity comments 
at the theatre.

There is also a pretty good review online from "The Daily 
Telegraph" at telegraph.co.uk/news.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 15:18:31 2007
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:18:31 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es46g7+is2n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> 
> At the link below you will find a general article about
> Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage. 
> However, there is one additional feature, and relative
> to this one features, I must again warn *Adults Only*.
> 
> Scroll down below the 'Google Ads' until you see a
> small postage stamp sized photo of Dan. Even from the
> very small photo you can see it is one of the publicity
> shots for 'Equus'. HOWEVER, is has NOT been crop at
> the delicate and strategic area. It is a full frontal
> verion of the photo shots with DAN and the white horse.


Tonks_op
I think the picture is not really him. It looks like someone altered 
it.

As to his acting in this role, I don't think it was a good idea this 
early in his career and with the Harry Potter role still running. I 
am surprised that there wasn???t something in his contract with WB 
against it.  

You just know that something like this (the picture) would come out 
all over the internet, as it apparently has. As if the Harry Potter 
series didn???t have enough bad press in some circles to start with; 
this just give more fuel to the wackos who are opposed to it. I just 
wished that he had waited till he was finished filming all of the 
Potter story before doing something like this. Sounds like a teenage 
rebellion to me. Had to get past the ???goodly two shoes??? image. But 
overall I don???t think that it was a good idea at this time. I am not 
opposed to the play, just the timing.

Tonks_op





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 15:29:16 2007
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:29:16 -0000
Subject: Ordering DH online
In-Reply-To: <erlnif+rp02@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es474c+2t02@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eyemlynn" <LynnKQuinn at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi all!
> 
> I know some of you have ordered your HP books on-line prior to the 
> release date. I am tempted to order DH on-line through Barnes & 
Noble. 
> When will it get to me (US)? I looked on their website and even asked 
> someone at their store and no one can tell me when its shipped. I'm 
> just wondering if I would get it Saturday Morning or sometime Tuesday.


Tonks_op
When the bookstores ship they get the books ahead of time so that they 
can be to you by Sat AM. 

By the way, you can get a free one with a purchase at 
http://www.orderofmerlin.com

tonks




From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Wed Feb 28 15:58:45 2007
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:58:45 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <es46g7+is2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es48rl+ihru@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > I know we are generally an adult group but I want to add
> > special ***ADULTS ONLY WARNING***.
> > 
> > At the link below you will find a general article about
> > Dan Radcliffe appearing nude and smoking on stage.

A couple years ago, in one of my filk-musicals, I threw in an off-the-
wall reference to the play Equus. I almost took it out because I 
thought few readers would pick up on it, but I couldn't find a good 
replacement line, so I left it in.

Thanks to this current brouhaha, I'll never again have to worry about 
any HP fan *not* understanding a reference to Equus.

  - CMC




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 16:25:43 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:25:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <es46g7+is2n@eGroups.com>
References: <erspks+gq10@eGroups.com> <es46g7+is2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0702280825j68789f24v1880335b967a4786@mail.gmail.com>

Tonks_op:
> As to his acting in this role, I don't think it was a good idea this
> early in his career and with the Harry Potter role still running. I
> am surprised that there wasn't something in his contract with WB
> against it.
<<SNIP>>
> Sounds like a teenage
> rebellion to me. Had to get past the 'goodly two shoes' image. But
> overall I don't think that it was a good idea at this time. I am not
> opposed to the play, just the timing.

Ali:

I know I'm snipping Tonks_op's post, but it mainly is just because it
happens to be one that addresses my question: why are there so
[seemingly] many opposed to Dan playing the role of Alan Strang in
Equus?

I don't buy the teenage rebellion bit since that's more indicative of
young Hollywood starlets posing nude in Playboy or Maxim to shake
their youthful image.  Equus is an immensely powerful play, and one
might call Alan Strang the role of a lifetime.  Choosing to do a play
of such intense emotions and proven literary value seems just like a
good move for any actor to make.  Moreover, one could argue that,
since the HP movies are so immensely popular, Dan should be making the
best of his fame and accepting such wonderful roles since he may never
get offered a second chance like this.  As for Dan being a minor,
well, the main character of Equus is only 17 yrs old. :)

(And don't get me wrong.  I never did like Equus much, was always just
too disturbed by it.  However, it is a play of immense value, and I
always feel a need to defend it.)

As for the wackos?  Well, the kids could've jumped naked into a
private pool area, and that still would've given fuel to said crazies.
 I think that their cause is, for them, already etched in stone, and
they probably would've found a way to make anything look bad.

Anyway, perhaps somebody can clarify their position for me.  I'm not
opposed to said position, just trying to understand it.

~Ali



From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Feb 28 17:11:03 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:11:03 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re: DD's portrait // Daniel's acting
In-Reply-To: <c87.baaf378.33169490@aol.com>
References: <c87.baaf378.33169490@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40702280911l28820106p683d516a7cd4585c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Sandy responds:
>
>  As I have said more than once on the movie list, I am very much
> opposed to his choice of Equus, and the backlash has already started. He
> has
> plenty of time to prove his acting mettle so I find his choice of this
> play,
> still being a minor, disturbing.


montims:
And as I have said many times, on other forums (fora?), Dan is NOT a minor
with regard to sexual activity, real or dramatic.  In the UK, sex with a
consenting partner of either sex is legal at the age of 16 and over...  The
play Equus is brilliant, and an excellent opportunity for any young actor to
prove himself.  If he had wanted to play Romeo, for example, it would be
stupid to wait till the HP films were finished and he were too old.  Ditto
with Equus.


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 17:56:53 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:56:53 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Full
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0702280825j68789f24v1880335b967a4786@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <es4fp5+n2pd@eGroups.com>

> Tonks_op:
> > As to his acting in this role, I don't think it was a good idea 
this
> > early in his career and with the Harry Potter role still running. 
I
> > am surprised that there wasn't something in his contract with WB
> > against it.
> <<SNIP>>
> > Sounds like a teenage
> > rebellion to me. Had to get past the 'goodly two shoes' image. But
> > overall I don't think that it was a good idea at this time. I am 
not
> > opposed to the play, just the timing.
> 
> Ali:
> 
> I know I'm snipping Tonks_op's post, but it mainly is just because 
it
> happens to be one that addresses my question: why are there so
> [seemingly] many opposed to Dan playing the role of Alan Strang in
> Equus?
> 
> I don't buy the teenage rebellion bit since that's more indicative 
of
> young Hollywood starlets posing nude in Playboy or Maxim to shake
> their youthful image.  Equus is an immensely powerful play, and one
> might call Alan Strang the role of a lifetime.  Choosing to do a 
play
> of such intense emotions and proven literary value seems just like a
> good move for any actor to make.  Moreover, one could argue that,
> since the HP movies are so immensely popular, Dan should be making 
the
> best of his fame and accepting such wonderful roles since he may 
never
> get offered a second chance like this.  As for Dan being a minor,
> well, the main character of Equus is only 17 yrs old. :)
> 
> (And don't get me wrong.  I never did like Equus much, was always 
just
> too disturbed by it.  However, it is a play of immense value, and I
> always feel a need to defend it.)
<SNIP>


Alla:

I agree with you Ali, I applaud Dan's attempts to play the part that 
sounds so very different from Harry Potter, I really do.

I mean, he does want to act after movies done, yes?

What if in the minds of all directors he would be Harry Potter and 
nobody else?

I think he owes it to himself to show the world that he can play the 
part of different caliber and from what I am reading he did it well.

Just look at the actor who played Luke in original Star Wars. I can 
be wrong, since I did not do the long research, but from what I read 
somewhere, he basically could not get his acting career really going 
after Star Wars?

If this is right, I certainly would not want the same for Dan.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Feb 28 21:22:27 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:22:27 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - an interesting article
In-Reply-To: <es46g7+is2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <es4rqj+qeda@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:

> You just know that something like this (the picture) would come out 
> all over the internet, as it apparently has. As if the Harry Potter 
> series didn't have enough bad press in some circles to start with; 
> this just give more fuel to the wackos who are opposed to it. I just 
> wished that he had waited till he was finished filming all of the 
> Potter story before doing something like this. Sounds like a teenage 
> rebellion to me. Had to get past the "goodly two shoes"image. But 
> overall I don't think that it was a good idea at this time. I am not 
> opposed to the play, just the timing.
 
Geoff:
I don't believe he is having a teenage rebellion and that doesn't make 
him a Goody Two Shoes.

I have been gathering together many and varied newspaper reports 
from the UK press about Equus ever since the promotional photos 
appeared on 30/01/07. Daniel comes across as a remarkably mature, 
modest (and sane!) young man considering the pressures on him.

As an example, may I direct you to the following link which is an 
article published in the Observer magazine on 11/02/07. The 
Observer is the Sunday paper published by the Guardian, one of 
our very respected broadsheet newspapers. It's one of the best 
articles I've read.

I'm not sure the original link still works (and it may be for Mac only)
but the following should work:

Go to http://observer.guardian.co.uk

When you get the home page, go to the search box near the top on 
the left-hand side and type in "dirty harry".

The article you want is the second one down, dated 11th February 
2007 and written by Craig McLean.

Interesting that he lives with his parents in Fulham in south-west 
London; I lived within about 3 miles of this area for over 40 years.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 28 23:39:30 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:39:30 -0000
Subject: Warning: Adults Only - Dan Radcliffe - Wisdom
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---  "P. Alexis Nguyen" <alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
>
> Tonks_op:
> > As to his acting in this role, I don't think it was
> > a good idea this early in his career and with the 
> > Harry Potter role still running. I am surprised that
> > there wasn't something in his contract with WB
> > against it.
> <<SNIP>>
> > Sounds like a teenage rebellion to me. Had to get 
> > past the 'goodly two shoes' image. But overall I 
> > don't think that it was a good idea at this time. I
> > am notopposed to the play, just the timing.
> 
> Ali:
> 
> ... why are there so [seemingly] many opposed to Dan 
> playing the role of Alan Strang in Equus?
> 
> I don't buy the teenage rebellion bit since that's 
> more indicative of young Hollywood starlets posing 
> nude in Playboy or Maxim to shake their youthful image.

bboyminn:

Posing in Playboy, Playgirl, Maxim, etc... in my opinion
is pure titilation and attention seeking as far as I'm
concerned. That is certainly not what Dan is doing. He
is not being nude for the sake of being nude, it is a
very real and critical part of the play. In Dan's 
statements, he implies that it's part of the character
just as a particular accent or affectation would be. It
comes with the territory, and if you don't like that
territory, you shouldn't be there. (greatly paraphrased)

So, while I got your point in general, I don't agree
that is the equivalent of what Dan is doing.

> ~Ali continues:
>
> Equus is an immensely powerful play, and one  might
> call Alan Strang the role of a lifetime. Choosing to 
> do a play of such intense emotions and proven literary 
> value seems just like a good move for any actor to make.
> Moreover, one could argue that, since the HP movies are
> so immensely popular, Dan should be making the best of 
> his fame and accepting such wonderful roles since he 
> may never get offered a second chance like this.  ...
> 

bboyminn:

While I can understand certain fans not wanting to see 
Dan in this light, especially while he is still playing
Harry Potter, to some extent I think that is somewhat
greedy. No offense intended toward anyone, we are all
entitled to our opinoins, but I think this in a broad
and general sense. It's not about what /should/ Dan
do for himself, but how can he please me, how can he
serve me, how can he best entertain me, and I'm not
really discrediting that opinon, just asking people
to look beyond it. 

Dan reminds me of two other actors in particular, both
started out as 'Tiger Beat' Teen-Heartthrob, pretty-boy,
painfully-cute actors. Many actors try to ride that fame
and celebrity their whole lives, but that is a false God.
If the best you can be is painfully cute and precocious
then you are doomed before you start because painfully-
cute doesn't last and a precocious child is usually an
obnoxious adult. 

I'm reminded of one contestant on the current American
Idol, who sang terribly and came out crying and cursing
because 'he wanted to be famous'. As I've implied above
that is a doomed attitude from the start. Fame is 
secondary to success and achievement, and I think that 
is how Dan wants to be viewed, not as some one who is
/Famous/ or a /Celebrity/ but as someone who has 
accomplished something of value and substance. 

So the two actors Dan reminds me of are Leonardo
DiCaprio and Johnny Depp. Both these stars could have 
tried to ride their way to fame and fortune on being
young and cute. They could have tried to spend their
lives making teen romantic comedies for as long as fate
would allow. But they both knew that was a hollow and
fleeting victory. They both knew that the world would 
never see them as more than a pretty face unless they
proved early on that they had range and substance.

Leonardo DiCaprio =
Basketball Dairies - junky
Total Eclipse - gay poet
Romeo and Juliet - classic Shakespear modernized (very risky I might add)
What's Eating Gilbert Grape - retarted
Boy's Life - abused

Johnny Depp =
Cry Baby - just overal weird
Edward Scissorhand - still very weird
Benny and Joon - more odd than weird
Ed Wood - odd and weird
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - weird again

They had to prove to the world, especially to the 
Hollywood world, that they were not just a pretty face
to be exploited. I see Dan doing the same thing. If he
has any hope for a future in this business, he has to 
establish his credibility as soon as possible. 

The Harry Potter films are not going to establish him
as a REAL actor. I love Dan and I love the films, but 
we all know they have been gutted of substance, humor,
and emotion. Even the very best of them has been no
more that 'stand here, say your line - stand there,
say the next line'. The producers of the movies simply 
aren't in a position to have the time to allow any
emotional themes and therefore emotions to develope.

With only Harry Potter on his resume, Dan wouldn't 
have stood a chance of being cast in a major role again.
Those movies, as much as I like them, simple do not
showcase any real talent these actors might have.
Based on the Harry Potter movies alone, I know many
people who would say Dan can't act at all; that his
performances are wooden and shallow. Of course, I put
the blame for that on the producers, not on the actors.
Yet, when you are looking for future work, it doesn't 
do well to try to place blame on others, that simply 
not a good career move.

Consequently, the sooner Dan establishes himself as an
actor of depth and substance, the better off he is going
to be, the wider range of roles he is going to be 
offerred. At each stage in his acting life, he is going
to have to establish himself, prove himself, if he has 
any hope of continuing. The gutters of Hollywood are 
littered with actors who could only ride a pretty face 
just so far. 

So, let me close with a quote that I think is appropriate-

"I once met a man who was so poor he could have only 
money."

I think Craig Fergeson said it, but where he got it I
don't know. Again, it is about what you are chasing.
Those who are chasing Fame and 'Celebrity' are doomed to
fail. Those, like Dan, who are chasing success, 
accomplishment, and achievement are the ones who have
a chance at a long lasting and rewarding career. 

In taking on this play, Dan, in a sense, has risked 
everything on his own estimation of his talent. It could
have been a flop, though I never really expected that, 
and it could have meant that Dan was doomed to a few
minor roles and celebrity guest appearances for the
rest of his life. Instead, he has proven himself an
actor of range and depth. It was a calculated risk and
it seems to have paid off.

I say as long as Dan keeps challenging himself artistically
and challenging people's preception of him, he will do 
well. In the future, individual project may fail, but he
he will have proven himself an actor willing and capable
of stretching himself to and beyond his limits. 

I try to take the attitude that what's best for me in the
short run is not necessarily best for Dan, and what is
best for Dan in the long run is best for everyone. So,
I give him all my support in any role he may chose in the
future.

Just a few random thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn