[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: DD's defeat of Grindelwald

[Jeremiah LaFleur]

lorac44444:



(Jeremiah):

Wasn't it GoF that was held back because of the September 11th
attacks?


(lorac44444):
No - GoF was released in June 2000, more than a year before the 9/11
attacks.



(Jeremiah):
If we're in the 1990's and look 50 years back, it's possible that
Tom Riddle
> had contact with Grindewald (sp?) and thus impressed upon young
Riddle that
> there is no good or evil, only power. A passing of the torch, if
you will.


(lorac44444):
Harry's CoS time-turning took him to 1943 - the young Tom Riddle
could have known Hitler, but it seems unlikely. At any rate, the
Riddle back story as given in HBP shows that Hitler could have only
been a minimal influence at best. Anyway, why would Tom Riddle of all
people get carried away by someone's else's - especially a Muggle
else's - delirium of Pure Bloodedness?



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CMC

He's only mentioned twice, in chaps. 6 & 13 of Philosopher's Stone -
both times are when Harry reads Dumbledore's Chocolate Frogs card.

There has been much speculation, but we don't know whether
Grindewald had any link with Hitler, or (more importantly, for our
purposes) with Lord Voldemort.



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Jeremiah:



Hitler? Well, that's a well and good to speculate but i was asking if
Voldemort had any ties with Grindewald. The correlation to WW2, IMO, is
secondary. I am of this mindset because there isn't a correlation between
current events (meaning the events in the Muggle World within the books) do
not match up with things from WW2. So having WW2 be a mirror/twin of Harry's
current struggle isn't working for me.



However, I think it is a significant fact that Dumbledore fought and won
against Grindewald even if it is only mentioned 2 times in the series. (Just
as I think it is a significant fact that DD likes 10 pin bowling. I still
think there is a hidden Bowling Alley in the depths of Hogwarts... and, no,
no need for the Room of Requirement to solve this one LOL. yay!) and it
lends credence to his knowledge of how to fight Dark Wizards. He has
successfully done it before. It is possible that we learn DD's secret to
having defeated Grindewald.



My concern is not about Grindewald having me Hitler. I think that's an
entire subplot that would derail the series. I think it is more interesting
to see if Tom Riddle met Grindewald and if Riddle learned anything from
meeting him. (possible conversation topics between Grindewald and Tom
Riddle: "It's not about good and evil… it's about power…"; "Kid, you gotta
have a catchy name that instills fear… I was given the name Marty
Hirschfield. Who would be scared of The Dark Wizard Marty. So I came up with
Grindewald. Now, that's scary…").


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