From Mhochberg at aol.com Fri Jun 1 00:33:43 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:33:43 EDT Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/2007 4:55:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Belinda writes: I have a button with that slogan, that he gave me at Lumos! I wear it proudly and often. I'm a librarian. *grin* ~~~~~ You are a lucky lady! I have a button making machine and am making up buttons to give away at the movie & book release parties. I am so tempted to make one myself! ---Mary, who better get working on her Molly sweater or she will have to wear her Azkaban shirt. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From drdara at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 00:57:20 2007 From: drdara at yahoo.com (danielle dassero) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: How many times have you read the books? Message-ID: <844062.58200.qm@web60721.mail.yahoo.com> I have read the first 4 books almost 20 times (i started reading in 2001), spent an entire 6 weeks before book 5 came out reading the 1st 4 books over and over adn over again. Read books 5 and 6 maybe 5 times. I will be going to a book store midnight release party i hope. don't think i will be dressing up though. Danielle ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jnferr at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 02:02:57 2007 From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:02:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee758b40705311902u7bda628eifb9e3cea65629b5c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/31/07, Zelda Zunk wrote: > Official park website now open; visitors can sign up for e-mail updates. > > http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/ > > Looks pretty cool! montims: hmmm - maybe Harry does live after all; otherwise it might be a bit of a downer for fans... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 1 18:11:15 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:11:15 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009! In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40705311902u7bda628eifb9e3cea65629b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Zelda Zunk: > > > Official park website now open; visitors can sign up for e-mail updates. > > > > http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/ > > > > Looks pretty cool! > > montims: > hmmm - maybe Harry does live after all; otherwise it might be a bit of a downer for fans... Carol responds: I agree that it would be a downer to attend a HP theme park if Harry doesn't live (but I expect him to, anyway, for reasons I've discussed on the main list). However, they're featuring Dumbledore's office as an important part of Hogwarts, so Dumbledore will be "alive" as far as the park is concerned. I hope they'll do the same with Snape's office, focusing on the pre-HBP environment where Snape is Potions master. (Sorry, Sluggy.) Harry will "live" from the pov of the theme park, if that makes sense. In other words, the aim of the park seems to be to recreate Harry's Hogwarts years (merged into a generalized environment) for fans. DH won't have much bearing on it, probably, regardless of the fate of HRH (though I confidently predict that they'll all live). And if they bring in Diagon Alley, neither will HBP. Carol, no fan of theme parks in general but willing to visit this one if she can find a willing companion (but no rides!!!!) 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(p. xvii) The Office of Misinformation (within the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures), whose purpose is to conceal evidence of magical beasts from Muggles, has waged a successful campaign to convince us that all photographic evidence of Nessie is fake (p. xx) Perhaps Nessie's latest appearance was prompted by jealousy over all the media attention currently being lavished upon JKR, and so it is trying once more to return itself to the Muggles' limelight. - CMC From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Sat Jun 2 05:56:12 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:56:12 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009! Message-ID: Carol wrote: Carol, no fan of theme parks in general but willing to visit this one if she can find a willing companion (but no rides!!!!) Sandy now: Do you suffer from motion sickness too? I think the Amusement Park " King's Island" is pretty well known throughout the United States. The Brady Bunch spent three episodes there. It is right here in my hometown of Cincinnati. It is actually in Mason, Ohio, but it is considered a Cincinnati landmark. As long as it has been around, I have never been there. I suffer from motion sickness so badly I can't ride the rides. I can't even watch them. I'm terrified of roller coasters too. There are other attractions at the park, including concerts and world class tennis matches, but they cost extra, over the nearly $40 cost just to get in the park. It isn't worth it. Also, I am not a summer person and do not go out in the heat and sun, and the park closes from November thru March and is only open weekends in October. However, I would go to the Harry Potter theme park during the winter months when it is not so hot and humid, in my robe and hat and carrying my wand, because I would love the environment and not care about not being able to ride the rides. Sandy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Sat Jun 2 06:48:44 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:48:44 -0000 Subject: Nessie and Newt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > CMC: > You've likely already seen the new video of Nessie, the > legendary Loch Ness Monster: > http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/holmes-nessie-3/ Goddlefrood: It's about as convincing as all previous Nessie photos and captures. Signed for and on behalf of The Office of Misinformation From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 2 17:45:47 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:45:47 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > Carol, no fan of theme parks in general but willing to visit this one if she can find a willing companion (but no rides!!!!) > > Sandy now: > Do you suffer from motion sickness too? I suffer from motion sickness so badly I can't ride the rides. I can't even watch them. I'm terrified of roller coasters too. However, I would go to the Harry Potter theme park during the winter months when it is not so hot and humid, in my robe and hat and carrying my wand, because I would love the environment and not care about not being able to ride the rides. Carol: Well, I haven't suffered motion sickness in a car since I was eleven and never in a plane. I don't know about seasickness, never having attempted a sea voyage. but rides! I can't stand the horrible diesel(?) smell of a carnival ride, and the last time I attempted one, the operator saw my face and stopped the ride to let me off! I'm terrified of being upside down, too. (No Levicorpus spells for me!) Once at Disneyland (the original park in Anaheim)--I must have been in my mid-thirties at the time--I was standing in line for the Matterhorn with two eleven-year-old girls and suddenly fainted. I had to be escorted to the restroom by the little girls, who lost their chance to go on the ride because of me. When I went to Disney World more recently for my nephew's wedding (his young wife wanted to be a Cinderella bride), the only ride I attempted was Pirates of the Caribbean boat ride. So I don't think I would mind one of those "rides" that simulates moving (the Flying Ford Anglia seeming to fly over Hogwarts), but anything that spins me around or turns me upside down or involves hurtling down a steep slope with hairpin turns makes me simultaneously ill and terrified. Not sure which is worse, the fear of dying or the fear of becoming publicly ill and making a spectacle of myself. I think the second, actually. Carol, who would probably just hang around Snape's office, waiting for him to swoop in with his black cloak billowing behind him From seuferer at netins.net Sun Jun 3 07:54:47 2007 From: seuferer at netins.net (Lisa) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:54:47 -0000 Subject: Serious writers! Grown up Harry Potter rpg seeking key characters for plots! Message-ID: Many great characters open in one of the best, highest-quailty role-playing-games out there. http://fi-promo.livejournal.com/4648.html We are post-war, game setting started three years after the events of HBP. We explore the wide wizarding world beyond Hogwarts and are one of the few high-quality games which not only permits but actively recruits for strong Original Characters at least five years older than the Trio or above. Arthur Weasley is wanted to kick off our grand political plot schemes - Lucius Malfoy is hinting at having aspirations to Minster for Magic - if he can overcome the little inconvenience of being on the Ministry's Registry for war-criminals. Narcissa Malfoy is wanted by her husband to aid him in his political ambitions (while helping him to hide his less savoury endeavours) and by her son who is not yet certain where his loyalties lie. Her sister, dear Bella, would also like to see her around! Neville Longbottom is a promising Herbologist working for St. Mungo's, and has actually developed a hybrid of his Mimbulous which Snape wants, very much. How lovely to have the 'upper hand' where Snape is concerned at last! Minerva McGonagall, as Headmistress of Hogwarts, has made some sweeping changes to the organisation of the school, including how students are sorted and vastly expanded the Quidditch program. More over, she has hired dangerous Registered citizens including a Death Eater as Head of Slytherin and Potions Master, and a Werewolf for Head of Gryffindor and Defence Professor! Ron Weasley is missed by his doting family and his two best friends. Maybe he can FINALLY get the girl after all these years! He's been working as an assistant Manager of the Twin's Hogsmeade branch, but maybe its time for him to pursue new endeavours? You decide! There is plenty of room for adult Aurors, Ministry Workers, Order of the Phoenix members, DEATH EATERS, Quidditch Players, The Weird Sisters members, and a wide swath of career choices and personal plot-explorations. The writing quality of this game is phenominal, the dedication of the Administration team to game health and longevity exemplary. For more information and pertinent game links, start here: http://fi-promo.livejournal.com/4648.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 3 15:42:30 2007 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 3 Jun 2007 15:42:30 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 6/3/2007, 11:00 am Message-ID: <1180885350.21.19932.m36@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday June 3, 2007 11:00 am - 12:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. 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To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2007 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sun Jun 3 21:22:03 2007 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed" Message-ID: <523373.14222.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Did anyone else here see "Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed"? We've talked about The Hero's Journey when it comes to HP and this program is a pretty good intro to the concepts that are central to this paradigm as Joseph Campbell explained it. If you are interested in understanding The Hero's Journey better, seeing how it applies to Luke and Anakin is a good way to further understanding how it may apply to Harry. It was on The History Channel ( http://www.history.com ). Clips are available. Encore showing on Sunday, June 3 @ 8pm but check your local listings or try http://www.history.com/search.do?searchText=%22star+wars%22 and click "On TV." There's also a "Star Wars Tech" program, rather reminiscent of our "how does magic work?" threads. If you don't get The History Channel, check out the minisite at http://www.history.com/starwars as a good starting point. Petra a n :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 04:44:58 2007 From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:44:58 -0000 Subject: Fans of Howie Day Message-ID: Howie Day has always reminded me a bit of Harry with his wild hair and boyish good looks. When he performs solo he uses looping to back himself up and actually builds a song while performing it - to me it seems almost magical. Anyway, I found this... http://youtube.com/watch?v=R0PXDj2KAwg&mode=related&search= ...while surfing around YouTube tonight and had to share. Howie's performance of "Sweet" is practically orgasmic. Howie is always so passionate in his performances - another thing that reminds me of our dear angst-ridden, led-by-his-emotions protagonist. Turn the volume up! Cheers, Dondee "Ah, music, a magic beyond all we do here!" ~Albus Dumbledore From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 11:41:24 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:41:24 -0000 Subject: "Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed" In-Reply-To: <523373.14222.qm@web51908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra wrote: > > Did anyone else here see "Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed"? > > We've talked about The Hero's Journey when it comes to HP > and this program is a pretty good intro to the concepts that > are central to this paradigm as Joseph Campbell explained > it. If you are interested in understanding The Hero's Journey > better, seeing how it applies to Luke and Anakin is a good > way to further understanding how it may apply to Harry. > > It was on The History Channel ( http://www.history.com ). > Clips are available. > > Encore showing on Sunday, June 3 @ 8pm but check your > local listings or try > > http://www.history.com/search.do?searchText=%22star+wars%22 > > and click "On TV." There's also a "Star Wars Tech" program, > rather reminiscent of our "how does magic work?" threads. > > If you don't get The History Channel, check out the minisite > at http://www.history.com/starwars as a good starting point. > > Petra > a > n :) > Alla: I did see it yesterday :) Thanks, Petra. It was a really nice step by step summary with references to myths as well. I liked it. From maritajan at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 14:58:23 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter and Tony Soprano - separated at birth? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <186838.47729.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting Newsweek article comparing the two: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18999823/site/newsweek/ MJ ------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/maritajan --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 4 16:02:26 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:02:26 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_?= Message-ID: The London bookies were exactly correct in predicting Dumbledore's fate in the last book, if you want to see what odds they are giving on Harry surviving to the last page of the last book see: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070604/ENTERTAINMENT/70604011 Eggplant From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 19:17:17 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:17:17 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "eggplant107" wrote: > > The London bookies were exactly correct in predicting > Dumbledore's fate in the last book, if you want to see > what odds they are giving on Harry surviving to the >last page of the last book see: > > http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070604/ENTERTAINMENT/70604011 > > Eggplant > bboyminn: Here's the thing, most of us predicted Dumbledore's death. It is so consistent with the genre that I am surprised that they were even taking bets on it. It seems they have stopped taking bets on whether Harry will die because so many people are betting he will. They are not taking bets on who will kill him. But here is the rub. They are thinking in linear fashion. They are not thinking of all the twist and turns that can creep into a fantasy story like Harry's. What happens with the 'Behind the Veil and Back' theory. If Harry goes behind the Veil, and if indeed that does take him to that Land of the Dead, then did he die or didn't he? Enquiring minds and enthusiastic betters want to know. What happens with the 'Technically Dead' theory, if Harry needs to be /technically/ dead for Voldemort to be defeated, and yet he is able to be revived? Is he dead for the purposes of the bet or isn't he? It is very reasonable to bet on real-life things. To determine who the best sport team is, all you have to do is watch the sport and make an educated guess. To determine which horse will win, you examine the odds, look as the history of the horses, examine the track conditions, and make an educated guess. But, in a world where Giants, Dragons and Unicorns live, and huge horses have wings and can fly. In a world where anything goes, who is so foolish as to think they can predict what will happen? In a world of magic, Harry could live or he could die, or both. Just a thought. Steve/bboyminn From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 4 20:13:45 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:13:45 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" wrote: > > The London bookies were exactly correct in predicting Dumbledore's > fate in the last book, if you want to see what odds they are giving on > Harry surviving to the last page of the last book see: > > http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070604/ENTERTAINMENT/ 70604011 > > Eggplant Geoff: But don't forget that the bookies have often burned their fingers badly in the past. They are neither Legilimens or omniscient..... Though with 46 and a bit days to go, i'm getting a bit antsy. From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 21:00:17 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:00:17 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" wrote: > > > > The London bookies were exactly correct in predicting Dumbledore's > > fate in the last book, if you want to see what odds they are giving on > > Harry surviving to the last page of the last book see: > > > > http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20070604/ENTERTAINMENT/ > 70604011 > > > > Eggplant > > > Geoff: > But don't forget that the bookies have often burned their fingers badly in the past. > They are neither Legilimens or omniscient..... > > Though with 46 and a bit days to go, i'm getting a bit antsy. > Alla: Yep, and didn't they got one of the stolen copies of HBP ( one of them) or something and that is why they were so right, not that it was that difficult to predict that DD dies IMO. Book 7 NOW :) From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 4 21:05:25 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:05:25 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > But don't forget that the bookies have > often burned their fingers badly in the past. Yes bookies can be wrong, but not often. Bookies are professionals, making bets is how they make their living and they must be very good at it or they'd starve to death. Face it, the book has leaked, you can't print tens of millions of books, as they must be doing at this very instant, and keep the contents a total secret; they couldn't even keep secret how to build an H bomb! It's so obvious to the betters and the bookies that Harry will die that they refuse to take bets on the subject, the only thing still uncertain to the bookies is who killed Harry, Snape of Voldemort, but I expect that will be leaked too before long. And not only do I think the bookies are right I hope they are too. Right after book 4 came out I predicted Dumbledore would die at the end of book 6 and Harry would die at the end of book 7. I think that is the perfect way to end the series and to ensure that the Harry Potter books will live even if Harry Potter dies. In fact, the series will live because Harry Potter dies. People will be reading the Harry Potter books a century from now. Eggplant From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 4 21:21:15 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:21:15 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "dumbledore11214" wrote: > Yep, and didn't they got one of the > stolen copies of HBP If I remember properly, the London bookies refused to take any more bets that Dumbledore will die when they realized most of the bets were coming from an area very close to a huge publishing plant printing millions of copies of The Half Blood Prince. Those bookies were not stupid! I believe the exact same thing is happening now and those bookies are still not stupid. Eggplant From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jun 4 22:13:06 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:13:06 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" wrote: Eggplant; > And not only do I think the bookies are right I hope they are too. > Right after book 4 came out I predicted Dumbledore would die at the > end of book 6 and Harry would die at the end of book 7. I think that > is the perfect way to end the series and to ensure that the Harry > Potter books will live even if Harry Potter dies. In fact, the series > will live because Harry Potter dies. People will be reading the Harry > Potter books a century from now. Geoff: Yes, you have made that crystal clear on a number of occasions and I think I have also made it clear that I am diametrically opposed to you as to the outcome I desire. In my opinion and that of many others on the group, killing Harry would be a worst possible scenario. It would send a lot of mixed messages to young people who have read the books and, on a very personal level, I see so much of myself as a teenager in Harry that it would be like a family loss to me. I'm sticking with the IWHTLC (I want Harry to live club) until or unless JKR proves me wrong. And if she does something like that, I shall perform an Unforgiveable on her- I shall hex her hot chocolate, so there. :-) From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 00:39:32 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:39:32 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- I "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > > --- "eggplant107" wrote: > > Eggplant; > > And not only do I think the bookies are right I > > hope they are too. > > > > ...In fact, the series will live because Harry > > Potter dies. People will be reading the Harry > > Potter books a century from now. > > Geoff: > Yes, you have made that crystal clear on a number of > occasions and I think I have also made it clear that > I am diametrically opposed to you as to the outcome > I desire. > > In my opinion ..., killing Harry would be a worst > possible scenario. > > It would send a lot of mixed messages to young people > ... and, on a very personal level, I see so much of > myself as a teenager in Harry that it would be like > a family loss to me. > > I'm sticking with the IWHTLC (I want Harry to live > club) ... > :-) > bboyminn: Here is the problem; ignoring any 'return from the dead' scenarios, there really aren't a lot of choices. I mean Harry either lives or dies, what else is there? So, speculation either way is fair game. However, we must consider the ODDS. In how many books has the clear hero died in the end? In how many books in which the clear hero was a very young man, has the hero died in the end? Well certainly even I can think of a few, but the odds, using literature as the basis, are greatly in favor of Harry living. I really don't see JKR killing Harry to end the series and to keep from writing any more books. That has never stopped a determined author as has been shown by the example of Sherlock Holmes who died absolutely then -oops- was not so dead after all. I'm sure Harry's fate was sealed from the very beginning, before the first book was even published. In JKR's mind, Harry is either alive or he is dead, and that is an unalterable fact. She won't change it to please fans or to get out of writing books. There are a couple of hints that Harry lives. At one point the books says something to the effect that 'in years to come' Harry would look back on this or that. Also, the existence of an epilog implies that life goes on. It doesn't prove that Harry's life goes on, but merely established that life goes on implying Harry's life goes on. There has been public speculation on Harry dying. Dan Radcliffe has made this speculation which mirror the identical speculation by many fans. But again, I point out, there are only two choices. So, in any discussion, some are going to think Harry dies and the rest are going to think he doesn't. Speculation on Harry dying will certainly get more press than the stock Harry-not-dying. Press breeds speculation, speculation breeds enthusiasm, enthusiasm breeds rampant betting, and rampant betting breeds more speculation. Personally, I really really really hope Harry doesn't literally and completely forever die, but I won't mind a little 'to death and back' action. I have predicted in the past an unprecidented level of world wide grieving if Harry does die. Grieving at a level that exceeds best-love kings, queens, princesses, and presidents. I see the world at near stand still. Whether the analytical odds are in Harry's favor or not, I think the literary odds are much in his favor. Betting his death might be fun, and if true might be a nice twist that produces easy money, but I'm more sure people will have a laugh at losing a few buck and just be glad Harry is alive. For what it's worth. Steve/bboyminn From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 04:27:36 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:27:36 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > In my opinion and that of many others on > the group, killing Harry would be a worst > possible scenario. You are being too modest when you say "many", nearly everybody in this group thinks and hopes that Harry lives, I am the sole oddball. Nevertheless I think I'm right. > it would send a lot of mixed messages > to young people I don't think JKR is the slightest bit interested in sending messages or in strengthen the moral fiber of young people, she just wants to tell a good story. > it would be like a family loss to me. Me too, and when a book can reach that visceral level it becomes a true work of art. Eggplant From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 04:49:17 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:49:17 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Steve" wrote: > In how many books has the clear > hero died in the end? All of the Greek tragedies and most of Shakespeare. > In how many books in which the clear > hero was a very young man, has the > hero died in the end? Romeo and Juliet, not to mention Titanic, the most profitable movie of all time. > Well certainly even I can think of a few, > but the odds, using literature as the basis, > are greatly in favor of Harry living. Do you think JKR's goal is to do something everybody else does? > I'm sure Harry's fate was sealed from the very > beginning, before the first book was even published. That I agree with. > There has been public speculation on Harry dying. > Dan Radcliffe has made this speculation which > mirror the identical speculation by many fans. Dan Radcliffe is one of the very few people who agrees with me, he both thinks and hopes that Harry dies. > if Harry does die. Grieving at a level > that exceeds best-love kings, queens, > princesses, and presidents. I see the > world at near stand still. Yes, and how could any writer resist doing that? Eggplant From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 06:35:37 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:35:37 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "eggplant107" wrote: > > "Steve" wrote: > > > In how many books has the clear > > hero died in the end? > eggplant: > > All of the Greek tragedies and most of Shakespeare. > bboyminn: OK, in how many books published in the last 400 years has the CLEAR hero died? Certainly some, but I think more where he has not. > > bboyminn: > > In how many books in which the clear > > hero was a very young man, has the > > hero died in the end? > eggplant: > > Romeo and Juliet, not to mention Titanic, the most > profitable movie of all time. > bboyminn: Let's keep in confined to books in this or similar genres. > > Well certainly even I can think of a few, > > but the odds, using literature as the basis, > > are greatly in favor of Harry living. > eggplant: > > Do you think JKR's goal is to do something everybody > else does? > bboyminn: Do you think JKR is specifically writing anti-literature? Is she specifically trying to NOT do what everybody else does? JKR is not methodically and willfully constructing great literature or anti-literature. She has a story to tell and she is not going to be swayed from that story; not by fans, not by critics, not by preconceive notions of 'literature'. Whether Harry lives or dies is determined by the story, and was determined long ago, and I believe, and I truly want, JKR to stay the course regardless of consequences. If she kills Harry, which I dearly hope she does not, then I trust her to weave it into the story in a painful but satisfying way. I trust her to make Harry's life and death mean something, and for it to be something noble and heroic, something to be admired. I'm not buying any wishy-washy baloney about kids not being able to understand it or take it, or to get romantic notions of killing themselves. I trust her to do a better job than that. While I hope she does not kill him, I acknowledge that it is a very real possibility. Like I said there are only two choices; either he does or he doesn't. It's just that I'm going to be so sad if she does. > >bboyminn: > > if Harry does die. Grieving at a level > > that exceeds best-love kings, queens, > > princesses, and presidents. I see the > > world at near stand still. > > Yes, and how could any writer resist doing that? > > Eggplant > bboyminn: Again, while you aren't actually saying it, you are implying that JKR is very calculating in the mechanics of the books. That is, if she kills Harry it will be because she thinks it's a cool thing to do. I don't think so. I think, in a way, the story just appears out of the ether, JKR is merely chronicling the story as it comes to her, the way a historian chronicles history. She will take it as it comes, if Harry was destine to die then he will die, but JKR won't do it to serve some external secondary purpose. Does that make sense? Steve/bboyminn From sherriola at earthlink.net Tue Jun 5 13:48:59 2007 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:48:59 -0700 Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?RE:_=5BHPFGU-OTChatter=5D_Re:_Harry's_fate_according_to_the_?= =?US-ASCII?Q?bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eggplant: I don't think JKR is the slightest bit interested in sending messages or in strengthen the moral fiber of young people, she just wants to tell a good story. Sherry now: I don't think that's exactly true. She has made public comments several times about things like teenage girls liking bad boys, teenagers and body image, bullying. I think she does care about her young readers and the messages they might take away from the books. Eggplant quoted Geoff and then responded: > it would be like a family loss to me. Me too, and when a book can reach that visceral level it becomes a true work of art. Sherry: I also disagree with this. I have loved books that have reached that painful level and books that have happy endings, and sometimes I have considered them great art and sometimes not. A book does not have to be a tragedy to be art. I don't read books to read art; I read books for pleasure or for education. I read light weight books and deep soul wrenching books. But if a book has a completely tragic ending, I consider it a waste of time and energy and emotion. If it has a mixed ending, both happy and tragic, that often moves me far more than a straight tragic ending. For me, Harry dying would make the entire series too tragic and hopeless. I guess that's what I have to take away from any book, hope. If the book has a sad or partly sad ending, but it leaves the characters and the reader with hope, that's good to me. If it is hopeless then for me, that's a really awful book, whether or not it's considered art, literature or a classic by others. Harry dying would leave the Potter series hopeless for me. I've loved this character for quite a few years now, and no matter who else survived, losing Harry would ruin all that has gone before. I think there's also the matter of future sales. Most kids, I think, will not be interested in reading a seven book series, if they know in advance that the hero dies. I somehow doubt that adults will find the fascination with the series in the same ways we have, once the series is complete and the furor has died down. I don't mean that I think adults read it for that reason. I'd never heard of it when I read the first one the first time. But people talk about it, debate it, and I think that will change over time, so the core audience who will read these books in the future will be kids, teenagers most likely. There will always be some adults who read them--I love some children's literature even now--but I doubt it will be in the numbers of today. Sherry From maritajan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 14:27:19 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] spoiler policy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <368034.59833.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've just been deleting unopened the emails that reference the bookies and Harry's fate, because I'm determined to stay away from anything that might give any hint of a possible outcome in the books. With HBP, I read ahead of time the bets that Dumbledore died, and I spent the whole book waiting for it to happen. I want to avoid that kind of pre-knowledge this time around. I know emails like the bookie/bets/etc. probably don't technically qualify as 'spoilers' because guesses are just that, guesses, but I do wonder what qualifies as a 'spoiler' here? How deep does it go? (Again, I don't want to change anyone's email habits, I'm perfectly happy deleting emails I think might tell me more than I want to know, but I am curious about the spoiler question.) Thanks! MJ ------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/maritajan --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Jun 5 15:54:49 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:49 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] spoiler policy In-Reply-To: <368034.59833.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <368034.59833.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004201c7a789$d8c696c0$66a4a8c0@rosie> [MJ]: | I know emails like the bookie/bets/etc. probably don't | technically qualify as 'spoilers' because guesses are just | that, guesses, but I do wonder what qualifies as a 'spoiler' | here? How deep does it go? [Lee]: IMHO, Spoilers would refer to real knowledge of what is to come, i.e. someone who actually saw a preview from Amazon or something like that. Guesses, rumors, hear-say(s) and the like would not be considered by me to be spoiler, but I tend to delete them anyway. Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 16:05:50 2007 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:05:50 -0000 Subject: Release date for Harry Potter movie - was it changed? Message-ID: I called the local theater and they said the date was changed to the 11th or something. I think that I just got the village idiot. Does anyone know the truth about this? It is still the 13th??? or what??? I am trying to send out anouncements for a movie party, but can't find the correct time and day by calling (duh...) the theater. You would think that they would know! Tonks_op From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 16:48:13 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:48:13 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geoff: > In my opinion and that of many others on the group, killing Harry would be a worst possible scenario. > > It would send a lot of mixed messages to young people who have read the books and, on a very personal level, I see so much of myself as a teenager in Harry that it would be like a family loss to me. > > I'm sticking with the IWHTLC (I want Harry to live club) until or unless JKR proves me wrong. > > And if she does something like that, I shall perform an Unforgiveable on her- I shall hex her hot chocolate, so there. :-) Carol responds: How about purple pustules spelling out HERO KILLER across her forehead and cheeks? Not permanent, of course. :-) Carol, just joking but firmly expecting Harry to live, and not just in the minds of readers From swartell at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 16:45:24 2007 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Release date for Harry Potter movie - was it changed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <142883.15815.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It was changed to July 11 a week or two ago, so the theater does know when it will be openning. Sue --- Tonks wrote: > I called the local theater and they said the date > was changed to the > 11th or something. I think that I just got the > village idiot. Does > anyone know the truth about this? It is still the > 13th??? or what??? > > I am trying to send out anouncements for a movie > party, but can't find > the correct time and day by calling (duh...) the > theater. You would > think that they would know! > > Tonks_op > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 17:09:00 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:09:00 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(some_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Me too, and when a book can reach that visceral level it becomes a > true work of art. > > Eggplant > Carol responds: But the literary worth of a book doesn't depend on the protagonist's dying. I'm adding spoiler space here in case people haven't read the classics I'm referring to and don't want them spoiled. S P O I L E R * S P A C E The HP series isn't "Moby Dick" (a tragedy in novel form) and Harry isn't Captain Ahab (whose antagonist lives on, to, presumably, take more lives and limbs). It's more of a Bildungsroman, a genre in which the young protagonist learns a moral or spiritual or life lesson and grows up. (He doesn't acquire the wisdom of an old person because he still has some living to do ("experience" to undergo), but if the tradition of "Jane eyre" and "David Copperfield" holds true, he'll find domestic bliss with his ideal partner. (I mean, why bother to create Harry an ideal wife if he's not going to marry her?) BTW, that article contained some misinformation. "Rowling has refused to give any clues about which characters will be killed off. Writing on her Web site last month, she asked people not to spoil the ending for fans by speculating about the outcome." Actually, she's said nothing against *speculating,* which is what she *wants* us to do (and couldn't stop if she tried. It's what we're doing right now.) She simply asked people who actually *know* what's going to happen not to spoil the book for other readers. There was a brilliant quote from someone who calls the books and films "drivel" without ever having read or seen a single one (now there's an authority!), and states that the bookies are taking bets on whether Voldemort or *Snape* kills Harry(!). Snape killing Harry would certainly be a surprise, but it's a much longer shot than Harry's survival, which is surely at least 50/50 (or is it 1/1 in bookie parlance?) at this point. Carol, who will offer her books to Lupinlore to be made into mulch if Snape kills Harry From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 17:50:12 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:50:12 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Steve" wrote: > > > In how many books has the clear hero died in the end? > Eggplant: > All of the Greek tragedies and most of Shakespeare. Carol responds: Those are all plays, not books. > bboyminn: > > In how many books in which the clear ero was a very young man, has the hero died in the end? > Eggplant: > Romeo and Juliet, not to mention Titanic, the most profitable movie of all time. Carol: But drama is not literature and those plays or films are all tragedies in one form or another, not Bildungsromans (novels of growing up.) Look, for one thing, at the time involved in the action of those plays/films. There's no seven-year period of growing up in the works you cited. (And "Titanic" may be profitable, but whether it's an enduring dramatic work, a film classic, has yet to be established). More spoiler space for people who aren't familiar with classic literature but don't want it spoiled for them in case they decide to: S P O I L E R * S P A C E * * * The Greek tragedies involve protagonists whos fates are already well known to the Greeks, usually great and powerful men with a character flaw (hamartia) that brings them and those around them to destruction. "Hamlet" is in the same tradition (the spectators might not have known that particular story, but they would have recognized the tragic conventions and seen the hero's death coming from the moment of his first soliloquy). "Romeo and Juliet" is a romantic comedy altered to have a tragic ending (and a couple of other deaths, Tybalt's and Mercutio's, along the way). "Titanic" is romantic tragedy based on a historical event (and Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Jack, isn't even the protagonist; Kate Winslett's character, Rose, is, and she survives). If you want to give examples of similar works involving the hero's death, you need to make sure that they're novels, not films or plays, and that they involve a young protagonist growing up. Otherwise, we're dealing with apples and oranges. *Of course,* the hero of a tragedy dies. That's a genre convention. But growing up is a genre convention in a Bildungsroman (or its variant, the school story). I'm not saying that's the only genre JKR is working in. There are elements of the mystery or detective novel (in which, except for the "death" of Sherlock Holmes, the protagonist doesn't usually die) and of the heroic quest or epic, in which the hero sometimes triumphs and sometimes doesn't. I'd say that Harry has more in common with Odysseus than Achilles, or with Frodo (who doesn't die, regardless of the implications of the film) than with Sigurd the Volsung. But again, the elements of myth, legend, saga, and epic are not the primary genre she's working in. And if we must bring in Joseph Campbell, according to his paradigm, the hero triumphs, becoming "master of two worlds" ((Wizard and Muggle?) and the result is "freedom to live." I really, really hope that JKR doesn't push this pattern to far, but we know she's familiar with it, having mentioned that the hero has to lose his old mentor and go on alone. But if the pattern holds true, the hero will both triumph and survive. So, Eggplant, I'm open to hearing your argument, but only if it involves something beyond the possibility of a tragic work having enduring value. That's true, of course, but it isn't really relevant. And perhaps we should consider her intended audience (specified as 9-12-year-olds in the query letter she submitted to publishers for PS). I can think of lots of children's books in which a beloved parent or animal dies, but none offhand in which the protagonist dies. (Well, I haven't read "A Series of Unfortunate Events" and don't want to know how that ends!) Carol, who thinks that "Little Women," in which one of the main characters dies but the protagonist grows up to become an independent adult might be at least as close a parallel to the HP model as "Hamlet" or "Romeo and Juliet," if not closer in some respects From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 18:36:31 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:36:31 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: "Romeo and Juliet" is a romantic comedy altered to > have a tragic ending (and a couple of other deaths, Tybalt's and > Mercutio's, along the way). Alla: Oh, am very curious. Did Shakespeare leave notes where he mentions that he originally planned Romeo and Juliet to have a happy ending? Or are you saying it because it is not written as classic tragedy is supposed to be written? Which I agree with. Carol: "Titanic" is romantic tragedy based on a > historical event (and Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Jack, isn't even > the protagonist; Kate Winslett's character, Rose, is, and she survives). Alla: Indeed. Carol: I'd say that Harry has more in common with Odysseus > than Achilles, or with Frodo (who doesn't die, regardless of the > implications of the film) than with Sigurd the Volsung. But again, the > elements of myth, legend, saga, and epic are not the primary genre > she's working in. Alla: LOL, Eggplant apparently does not like Odysseus much or Gilgamesh for that matter or Luke if we are are back to Star Wars. > Carol, who thinks that "Little Women," in which one of the main > characters dies but the protagonist grows up to become an independent > adult might be at least as close a parallel to the HP model as > "Hamlet" or "Romeo and Juliet," if not closer in some respects > Alla: Yes, yes, very cool parallel, in fact only one character dies, even though she is very close to protagonist and it is growing up novel indeed. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 20:46:04 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:46:04 -0000 Subject: Can't get no Satisfaction...or can I? Message-ID: I'm enjoying the discussion of Harry's Fate, always very interesting with lots of room for speculation. I was on another website forum - Hatrack River (Orson Scott Card of Enders Game fame) http://www.hatrack.com/cgi-bin/ubbmain/ultimatebb.cgi?category=1&r=nfx the "Books, Films, Food and Culture" forum is a great place for general discussions with intelligent people. Some one asked for some help in a story they are writing (character names) and as the discussion broadened, one of the posters made this comment - "Also, the end should be satisfying- NOT good or fairy tale, but satisfying. You should never have the reader feel like they were tricked into the story." That's what I trust JKR to do, create a satisfying resolution to the story. It may be sad, it may be tragic, or it may be happy, or even bittersweet. Yet, sad and painful, or joyous that it may be, I am confident it will be satisfying. She may not resolve every issue we have discussed over these many year, but I trust that I will be satisfied with the resolution she does bring. It is my trust in JKR that leads me to the last part of the statement quoted about. I must not, and should not, feel like I was tricked. No 'it was all a dream' or Harry was writing this all in his own book or some other such ending. If JKR took me all this way over these many many years, and has drawn me into investing so much time, hope, emotion, concern into these books and this story, then she better deliver the goods in the final book. So, for me, it is not so much a question of whether Harry lives or dies, but whether what ever the resolution might be is satisfying to me. I can conceive of endings in which Harry dies that are very touching and satisfying, even though I very much hope Harry does not die. While speculation is fun, in the end it is a matter of trust. You've gone all this time, and made this huge investment, now are you going to trust the author to 'bring it all home'? Steve/bboyminn From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jun 5 20:53:51 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:53:51 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > Carol: > > I'd say that Harry has more in common with Odysseus > > than Achilles, or with Frodo (who doesn't die, regardless of the > > implications of the film) than with Sigurd the Volsung. But again, > > the elements of myth, legend, saga, and epic are not the primary genre > > she's working in. Geoff: If I may go off at a tangent (which one is allowed to do on OTChatter!), LOTR is a book which has been a constant companion for me for (gulp) just over 50 years and I have never accepted that Frodo dies in the accepted sense - and I do not think that the film suggests that either. People have speculated about this for years but I do not think that a parallel can be drawn between the books because the circumstances of the stories are so different. My hope remains that Harry will survive; the thought has suddenly crossed my mind that perhaps as an adult, like Diggory Kirke in the Narnia books, he might become a mentor figure for future generations of young wizards as they face whatever problems the post-Voldemort Wizarding world will meet. From snapes_witch at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 21:16:27 2007 From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Snape) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:16:27 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eggplant is right! Of course, Harry is going to die at the end of the series -- with his many children, grandchildren, great and great-great grandchildren by his bedside!! On the other hand, I'm looking to Severus offing both Harry and Riddle and ruling the WW with me by his side!! LOL Snape's Witch From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 5 21:22:06 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:22:06 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Snape" wrote: > > Eggplant is right! Of course, Harry is going to die at the end of the > series -- with his many children, grandchildren, great and great- great > grandchildren by his bedside!! Alla: Indeed, that I can love. Snape's witch: > On the other hand, I'm looking to Severus offing both Harry and Riddle > and ruling the WW with me by his side!! LOL Alla: No, no, sorry to spoil your dreams of being WW queen but I think more fun would Severus offing both Harry, Ridle and then himself - to go and be with his beloved Lily. Oh, wait, I guess they will form the threesome with James. MAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH. From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 5 21:47:19 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:47:19 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "justcarol67" wrote: > the HP series isn't "Moby Dick" We don't really know that yet. I think of the entire Harry Potter saga as just one very long novel, and we haven't read the final all important concluding pages of that novel yet. > Harry isn't Captain Ahab Now there's an idea! Hermione: To be enraged with a dumb brute of a dragon that acted out of blind instinct is blasphemous Harry. Harry: Speak not to me of blasphemy, Hermione; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me! > why bother to create Harry an ideal wife > if he's not going to marry her? But I think Harry will marry Ginny before he dies. Yes they are both very young and Ginny will need the approval of her parents to marry so young, and as much as they love Harry the Wesley's would normally would never give their approval to such a thing, but they know the times are very far from normal, both of Ginny's parents understand it's now or never. Besides, that's the only way JKR can produce Harry Potter Junior and we've got to have that. > Snape killing Harry would certainly be a surprise Yes, even I, a charter member of the I hate Snape club would be surprised by that; but the bookies think that is far more likely than Harry surviving and bookies are not stupid. In fact nobody is willing to place a bet that Harry lives, everybody wants to bet that Harry dies, to the bookies that tells them it's a fixed game and the plot has leaked and they refuse to take any more bets on the subject. Right after I read book 6 I thought Snape was the personification of evil and anybody who thought Snape was good was crazy. I still think Snape is a S.O.B, but my views have moderated a little, but just a little. On Sirius Black's worst most evil day he was a better person than Severus Snape was on his best; and yet, and yet, there is still some good in the man. I believe Snape will die nobly and heroically to compensate for his less than noble life. Even after we've read the last page of the last book many readers (probably most) will still be unsure how to feel about Snape, and therein lies Rowling's genius. For many years I can see a debate on this list along the lines of, Yes Snape did the right thing in that particular instance but what about all the other times he .. Snape is a character that will stick with you, he belongs to the ages. Eggplant From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 6 02:09:54 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:09:54 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(some_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol, who will offer her books to Lupinlore to be made into mulch if > Snape kills Harry Potioncat: Snape...kill Harry? He's a Hogwarts professor and a Hogwarts professor would never...oh, wait... Snape...kill Harry? He'd sooner kill Dumble...oh, wait. Snape...kill Harry? Only if he had a really, really good reason. Excuse me while I go think up one...just in case. It won't happen. Potioncat who thought that as consolation for taking six 12/13 year-old boys to see Spiderman 3 she would get to see the Phoenix trailer. No such luck. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 02:41:31 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:41:31 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books Message-ID: If, like me, you haven't heard the audio books and are curious about them, Borders Books now has brief excerpts from books 1-6 online on its "Harry Potter juke box." I just listened to the HBP segment, which is about Harry checking the Marauder's Map for Draco Malfoy while Ron opens his birthday presents. I didn't care for the voices all that much, but it's hard to judge based on one short reading. If I could hear how the narrator does Snape or Dumbledore (or Bellatrix), I could judge a bit better. The narrator is the British one (Stephen Fry?). Anyway, if you just want to sample the audio books (the excerpts are very short, based on the one I listened to), check it out at this URL: http://www.bordersmedia.com/harrypotter/jukebox.asp Carol, not planning to buy the audio books but wanting someday to have the British editions in hardback with adult covers From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 6 03:05:47 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:05:47 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > Anyway, if you just want to sample the audio books (the excerpts are > very short, based on the one I listened to), check it out at this URL: > > http://www.bordersmedia.com/harrypotter/jukebox.asp > > Carol, not planning to buy the audio books but wanting someday to have > the British editions in hardback with adult covers Potioncat: The very first time I heard one of the audio books was when a sample of OoP was available "before" the books had come out. It was the section when Hermione hugs Harry at HQ and of course, created more questions than answers. Boy, was that exciting! We have the books through GoF because one of my daughter's friends "outgrew" the series and gave the audio books to my younger son. We borrow the others from the library to listen to in the car. Kathy > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 03:15:23 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:15:23 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > > Carol: > > "Romeo and Juliet" is a romantic comedy altered to have a tragic ending (and a couple of other deaths, Tybalt's and Mercutio's, along the way). > > Alla: > > Oh, am very curious. Did Shakespeare leave notes where he mentions that he originally planned Romeo and Juliet to have a happy ending? Or are you saying it because it is not written as classic tragedy is supposed to be written? Which I agree with. Carol: It's something I was taught in one of my English classes in grad school. The teacher said that R&J followed all the conventions of a romantic comedy (star-crossed lovers, misunderstandings, etc.) except for the ending (and the two deaths I mentioned earlier--three, counting Paris, whom I'd forgotten about). Imagine Juliet waking up just half an hour earlier, in time to prevent Romeo's mistake. All's Well That Ends Well, so to speak. Anyway, you're right that the story doesn't follow the plot structure of a classic tragedy. There's no flawed protagonist along the lines of Hamlet, Othello, or Macbeth, just a tragically mistimed "solution" to their problem that accidentally results in tragedy. (I don't want to say too much for fear of spoiling the play for anyone who hasn't seen or read it.) > Carol: > "Titanic" is romantic tragedy based on a historical event (and Leonardo DiCaprio's character, Jack, isn't even the protagonist; Kate Winslett's character, Rose, is, and she survives). > > Alla: > > Indeed. > > Carol: > > I'd say that Harry has more in common with Odysseus than Achilles, or with Frodo (who doesn't die, regardless of the implications of the film) than with Sigurd the Volsung. But again, the elements of myth, legend, saga, and epic are not the primary genre she's working in. > > Alla: > > LOL, Eggplant apparently does not like Odysseus much or Gilgamesh for that matter or Luke if we are are back to Star Wars. > > > Carol, who thinks that "Little Women," in which one of the main characters dies but the protagonist grows up to become an independent adult might be at least as close a parallel to the HP model as "Hamlet" or "Romeo and Juliet," if not closer in some respects Alla: > > Yes, yes, very cool parallel, in fact only one character dies, even though she is very close to protagonist and it is growing up novel indeed. Carol: Thanks! Carol, who wanted to follow up on the "Romeo and Juliet"-as- romantic-comedy-gone-wrong idea, but her Yale Shakespeare doesn't say anything about it, and the edition with all the wonderful notes and prefaces got destroyed in a flood from a broken water main :-( From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 04:08:06 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:08:06 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_("Moby_Dick"_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Moby Dick" spoilers ahead. Don't read this post if you don't want to know what happens to the captain and crew of the Pequod. ********************* Carol earlier: > > > the HP series isn't "Moby Dick" > Eggplant: > We don't really know that yet. I think of the entire Harry Potter saga as just one very long novel, and we haven't read the final all important concluding pages of that novel yet. S P O I L E R S A H O Y! Carol again: Well, considering that there's an Epilogue about the *survivors* of VW2, I don't think that Voldemort/Moby Dick is going to destroy the entire WW as Moby Dick destroyed the Pequod and its whaleboats, leaving only Ishmael clinging to a floating coffin. Or which character do you think "escapes alone to tell thee"? > Carol earlier: > > Harry isn't Captain Ahab > Eggplant: > Now there's an idea! > > Hermione: To be enraged with a dumb brute of a dragon that acted out of blind instinct is blasphemous Harry. > > Harry: Speak not to me of blasphemy, Hermione; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me! Carol: LOL! I love it! Only I was thinking of the "dumb brute" antagonist as Voldemort--not that Voldemort is "dumb" in the sense that Starbuck intends, the inability to speak--but he's certainly a "brute" in the sense of having lost whatever humanity he once had. Harry: Be he agent or be he principal, I will smite him! Seriously, though, the tables are turned in HP, where the madman is the villain, not the protagonist. Carol earlier: > > Snape killing Harry would certainly be a surprise > Eggplant: > Yes, even I, a charter member of the I hate Snape club would be surprised by that; but the bookies think that is far more likely than Harry surviving and bookies are not stupid. In fact nobody is willing to place a bet that Harry lives, everybody wants to bet that Harry dies, to the bookies that tells them it's a fixed game and the plot has leaked and they refuse to take any more bets on the subject. > > Right after I read book 6 I thought Snape was the personification of evil and anybody who thought Snape was good was crazy. I still think Snape is a S.O.B, but my views have moderated a little, but just a little. On Sirius Black's worst most evil day he was a better person than Severus Snape was on his best; and yet, and yet, there is still some good in the man. I believe Snape will die nobly and heroically to compensate for his less than noble life. Even after we've read the last page of the last book many readers (probably most) will still be unsure how to feel about Snape, and therein lies Rowling's genius. For many years I can see a debate on this list along the lines of, Yes Snape did the right thing in that particular instance but what about all the other times he .. > > Snape is a character that will stick with you, he belongs to the ages. Carol: Well, I certainly agree with you on several counts, that Snape is a character for the ages and that it's most unlikely he'll kill Harry (or vice versa, IMO). I also agree that, if he dies (not as inevitable as some readers think), it will be nobly and heroically. I disagree, of course, that his life (once he "returned to Dumbledore" has been "less than noble," and I don't share your preference for Sirius Black, with whom Snape has quite a bit in common (which could account in part for the mutual antagonism) and yet I just can't feel the affection for black that I feel for Snape. (Pity for his wasted life, yes.) It's a matter of taste, of course, but I want Snape to have a chance to apply his many talents to benefitting the WW (a chance that Black didn't have because he chose to chase after Wormtail). I'll just say that I was trying and still am trying to think of favorite Sirius Black moments to post to the main list, and the only one I can think of is him in dog form in GoF wagging his tail and leading the way to the cave, where he has (quite deliberately, I think) been living off rats. Let's just say that the rest of the time I prefer our acerbic but courageous Severus, who shows Fudge his Dark Mark to persuade him to believe that LV is back and refuses to cooperate with Umbridge and all that. But absolutely, we'll still be debating him after DH regardless of the almost-certain revelation that his loyalties lie with Dumbledore, which I would bet on if I were a betting person because I think the odds are very high in its favor. Carol, who thinks that the bookies would do well to read the "bookies" before taking bets on who will kill Harry rather than whether Harry will live From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 04:12:53 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:12:53 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(some_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Potioncat who thought that as consolation for taking six 12/13 year-old boys to see Spiderman 3 she would get to see the Phoenix trailer. No such luck. > Carol: Same thing happened to me. Well, not the six boys part, but expecting to see the OoP trailer before Spiderman 3 and being disappointed. There's an interesting explanation on the movie list of why a particular trailer isn't always shown with the film it's advertised as accompanying-- something about only three copies of each trailer for every eight copies of the film. Carol, too lazy to find the post and cut and paste the link From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 13:48:33 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:48:33 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies__and_Romeo_and_Juliette?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Carol: > > > > "Romeo and Juliet" is a romantic comedy altered to have a tragic > ending (and a couple of other deaths, Tybalt's and Mercutio's, along > the way). > > > > Alla: > > > > Oh, am very curious. Did Shakespeare leave notes where he mentions > that he originally planned Romeo and Juliet to have a happy ending? Or > are you saying it because it is not written as classic tragedy is > supposed to be written? Which I agree with. > > Carol: > It's something I was taught in one of my English classes in grad > school. The teacher said that R&J followed all the conventions of a > romantic comedy (star-crossed lovers, misunderstandings, etc.) except > for the ending (and the two deaths I mentioned earlier--three, > counting Paris, whom I'd forgotten about). Imagine Juliet waking up > just half an hour earlier, in time to prevent Romeo's mistake. All's > Well That Ends Well, so to speak. > > Anyway, you're right that the story doesn't follow the plot structure > of a classic tragedy. There's no flawed protagonist along the lines of > Hamlet, Othello, or Macbeth, just a tragically mistimed "solution" to > their problem that accidentally results in tragedy. Alla: Here is the funny thing though ( for me anyways). It is pretty obvious when one thinks about it that R and J plot development except the tragic ending pretty much follows comedy plot development indeed, NOT tragedy. Tragedy plot structure is pretty easy to spot usually. BUT I never never thought about Romeo and Juliette this way - as comedy with altered ending to make it tragedy ( and boy did Shakespeare do his job well :)). What I am trying to say is that for me tragic ending pretty much overpowered everything else and I always thought about the play as tragedy. It never came to my mind to look at how it structured ( and I often do). So, I sort of see Shakespeare mixing genres very succesfully just as JKR does here, hehe. Now, JKR pretty much mixed two genres - heroic quest and growing up novel. My thing is which one will overpower at the end in terms of Harry fate, if this makes sense. Carol: (I don't want to > say too much for fear of spoiling the play for anyone who hasn't seen > or read it.) > Alla: Eh, you think such people exist? I am only half joking. I mean, if person does not read at all, I can see that, but still there are movies, but if person reads - not to read Romeo and Juliette? Do not get me wrong, I will not be usually as bold as to say that person from another country just has to be familiar with the literature from another country, I think for example that russian literature of the 19 century is brilliant with such psychological depth that I am yet to find in many contemporary work of many countries, but I won't be as bold as assume that people from other countries know it. I mean, I sort of knew that Dostoevsky is known in the world, I was pleasantly surprised that Tolstoy is as well ( even though I have not met many people who finished War and peace - love this book. But I think Shakespeare belongs to the world, not just Britain, does he not? I read so many of his plays in russian translation after all and not bad translation either. Alla. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Wed Jun 6 15:28:13 2007 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:28:13 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > It's something I was taught in one of my English classes in grad > school. The teacher said that R&J followed all the conventions of a > romantic comedy (star-crossed lovers, misunderstandings, etc.) except for the ending (and the two deaths I mentioned earlier--three, > counting Paris, whom I'd forgotten about). Imagine Juliet waking up > just half an hour earlier, in time to prevent Romeo's mistake. All's > Well That Ends Well, so to speak. > Dung: You mean it really *did* start out as Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter?! Damn. And there I was thinking Norman and Stoppard were being brilliantly clever and original... From jamiesonwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 15:54:50 2007 From: jamiesonwolf at gmail.com (Jamieson Villeneuve) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:54:50 -0400 Subject: New Article at The American Chronicle Message-ID: <5cb2ac630706060854x52f5e349ke3f5d5e6b2831f6e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone! I've got a new article up at The American Chronicle. It's called Those Magic Words - Harry Potter and a Whole New Generation of Readers. You can read it here: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=29010 It's about how I almost didn't read Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone and what happened after I did. Enjoy! Jamieson -- Jamieson Wolf, Author of The Ghost Mirror and Hunted THE GHOST MIRROR: http://www.theghostmirror.blogspot.com HUNTED: http://www.huntedanovel.homestead.com Visit: www.jamiesonwolf.com "The Wolf never sleeps..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 18:13:21 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:13:21 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > It's something I was taught in one of my English classes in grad school. The teacher said that R&J followed all the conventions of a romantic comedy (star-crossed lovers, misunderstandings, etc.) except for the ending (and the two deaths I mentioned earlier--three, counting Paris, whom I'd forgotten about). Imagine Juliet waking up just half an hour earlier, in time to prevent Romeo's mistake. All's Well That Ends Well, so to speak. > > > > Dung: > You mean it really *did* start out as Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter?! Damn. And there I was thinking Norman and Stoppard were being brilliantly clever and original... > Carol: LOL. They were. R&J, like most of Shakespeare's plays, borrows its plot and characters from various sources and thaen adapts them in an original way. It started out as Pyramus and Thisbe (which Shakespeare turns into "a most lamentable comedy" in "Midsummer Night's Dream") and a number of similar stories, including one about Rhomeo and Giuliette, IIRC. They all had similar tragic endings. But the genius of Shakespeare was to *structure* the play like a romantic comedy, except for a few characters being killed (instead of injured or almost killed or exposed to humiliation) along the way and the star-crossed lovers dying. Comedy centers on conflict and confusion, but in the end, it's all resolved. Look at "West Side Story," R&J updated and made into a musical, with a "Titanic"-style ending. And then imagine a happy ending instead, and you'd have a romantic comedy, not in the sense of comedy being funny, but in the sense of "All's Well That Ends Well." Structurally, R&J has more in common with that play (or "Twelfth Night" or even "Midsummer Night's Dream," with all its comic mix-ups, than with the major tragedies focusing on a flawed hero doomed by his own ambition or uncertainty or doubt or hubris or whatever hamartia Shakespeare chose to assign them. Miraculously, I found a website that actually discusses what I brought up here in relation to Shakespeare's plays: "The terms comedy and tragedy commonly refer to the ways in which dramatic conflicts are resolved. In comedy, the confusion ends when everyone recognizes what has been going on, learns from it, forgives, forgets, and re-establishes his or her identity in the smoothly functioning social group (which may return to the original normality or may be setting up a better situation than the one the group started with). Comedies typically end with a group celebration, especially one associated with a betrothal or wedding, often accompanied by music and dancing The emphasis is on the reintegration of everyone into the group, a recommitment to their shared life together. If there has been a clearly disruptive presence in the action, a source of anti-social discord, then that person typically has reformed his ways, has been punished, or is banished from the celebration. Thus, the comic celebration is looking forward to a more meaningful communal life (hence the common ending for comedies: "And they lived happily ever after"). "The ending of a tragedy is quite different. Here the conflict is resolved only with the death of the main character, who usually discovers just before his death that his attempts to control the conflict and make his way through it have simply compounded his difficulties and that, therefore, to a large extent the dire situation he is in is largely of his own making. The death of the hero is not normally the very last thing in a tragedy, however, for there is commonly (especially in classical Greek tragedy) some group lament over the body of the fallen hero, a reflection upon the significance of the life which has now ended. Some of Shakespeare's best known speeches are these laments. The final action of a tragedy is then the carrying out of the corpse. The social group has formed again, but only as a result of the sacrifice of the main character(s), and the emphasis in the group is in a much lower key, as they ponder the significance of the life of the dead hero (in that sense, the ending of a tragedy is looking back over what has happened; the ending of comedy is looking forward to a joyful future). "This apparently simple structural difference between comedy and tragedy means that, with some quick rewriting, a tragic structure can be modified into a comic one. If we forget about violating the entire vision in the work , we can see how easily a painful tragic ending can be converted into a reassuring comic conclusion. If Juliet wakes up in time, she and Romeo can live happily ever after. If Cordelia survives, then Lear's heart will not break; she can marry Edgar, and all three of them can live prosperously and happily for years to come. And so on. Such changes to the endings of Shakespeare's tragedies were commonplace in eighteenth-century productions, at a time when the tragic vision of experience was considered far less acceptable and popular by the general public." http://www.siue.edu/~ejoy/eng208NotesOnComedyAndTragedy.htm The author of the article also makes a comment regarding conflict (applicable to both tragedy and comedy) that I thought was apropos to the HP books: "Attempts to understand what is going on or to deal with it simply compound the conflict, accelerating it and intensifying it." Obviously, the HP books are neither Shakespearean tragedy nor Shakespearean romantic comedy (or any form of drama), but they do have both tragic and comic elements. (Shakespeare also mixed genres; most of his tragedies have at least one comic character, and the comedy often verges on tragedy.) One more statement from this author on the comic vision of experience (or life): "When the normal community is upset, the main characters in a comedy will normally have the initial urge to seek to restore that normality, to get back what they have lost. Initially, they will be unsuccessful, and they will have to adapt to unfamiliar changes (funny or otherwise). But in a comedy the main characters will have the ability to adjust, to learn, to come up with the resources necessary to meet the challenges they face. They may also have a great deal of luck. But one way and another, they persevere and the conflict is resolved happily with the reintegration of the characters into a shared community." Even though the HP series is literature, not drama, that sounds to me like the direction in which JKR is headed. IOW, I think that DH will have a happy ending, despite losses and sorrow and mistakes by the protagonists along the way. Harry will need all his luck and the ability to adjust, but he'll persevere and he'll triumph. I think that's JKR's vision of both her protagonist and her invented world, as well as the real world we all live in. Carol, noting that the Sorting Hat's comments on unity and DD's comments on mutual understanding despite differences of language and culture point to a reintegrated WW ("comic" ending) at the end of the books From Mhochberg at aol.com Wed Jun 6 18:37:09 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:37:09 EDT Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books Message-ID: Hi, Carol! These are the Jim Dale excerpts. I think he used the wrong voice in the birthday scene from HBP---it sounds like his "Hermione" voice, not his "Harry." ---Mary ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 19:46:20 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:46:20 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hi, Carol! > > These are the Jim Dale excerpts. I think he used the wrong voice in the birthday scene from HBP---it sounds like his "Hermione" voice, not his "Harry." > > ---Mary Thanks. I thought he sounded British, so it must be Stephen Fry, but maybe he's an American trying to *sound* British? (I wondered why Borders (an American corporation) would use the British narrator, though. Should have realized it was Jim Dale.) Are the Stephen Fry versions better, in your view? Carol, obviously unfamiliar with the audio books! From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 19:55:03 2007 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:55:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Thanks. I thought he sounded British, so it must be Stephen Fry, but > maybe he's an American trying to *sound* British? (I wondered why > Borders (an American corporation) would use the British narrator, > though. Should have realized it was Jim Dale.) Are the Stephen Fry > versions better, in your view? > > Carol, obviously unfamiliar with the audio books! I believe both Jim Dale & Stephen Fry are British, so it's unsurprising that, since you're unfamiliar with the audio books, you wouldn't be able to tell which is the American version. As per a discussion here not too long ago, people have their preferences as to which reader they prefer. Some people are rabid Jim Dale fans, and there are those who really prefer Stephen Fry. I haven't heard the Fry version, but I do like Dale's reading well enough, even if I don't have the patience for audio books. I really think it's a personal thing since, as far as I can discern from the varying opinions, both readers seem to be quite good. ~Ali From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 20:46:35 2007 From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:46:35 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My local yarn shop will be doing a knit-a-long with the Harry Potter audio books. We will be knitting "Mrs. Weaseley's Bag of Stitch Witchery" from Charmed Knits as our first project. I've heard nothing but great things about Jim Dale and the audio books. I'm so excited. Zelda Zunk Corsets & Capes From snapes_witch at yahoo.com Wed Jun 6 22:16:20 2007 From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Snape) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:16:20 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, isn't that interesting -- Borders hooked up with Amazon! I'd like to have the Stephen Fry versions but not at those prices. Pooh! Snape's Witch --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > If, like me, you haven't heard the audio books and are curious about > them, Borders Books now has brief excerpts from books 1-6 online on > its "Harry Potter juke box." I just listened to the HBP segment, which > is about Harry checking the Marauder's Map for Draco Malfoy while Ron > opens his birthday presents. I didn't care for the voices all that > much, but it's hard to judge based on one short reading. If I could > hear how the narrator does Snape or Dumbledore (or Bellatrix), I could > judge a bit better. The narrator is the British one (Stephen Fry?). > > Anyway, if you just want to sample the audio books (the excerpts are > very short, based on the one I listened to), check it out at this URL: > > http://www.bordersmedia.com/harrypotter/jukebox.asp > > Carol, not planning to buy the audio books but wanting someday to have > the British editions in hardback with adult covers > From specialcritters at hotmail.com Wed Jun 6 22:58:04 2007 From: specialcritters at hotmail.com (Lee Truslow) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:58:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Fry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1 Fry, not as expensive. http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Philosophers-Stone-Rowling/dp/1855496704/ref=sr_1_9/104-3558435-1123931?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181170496&sr=1-9 >From: "Elizabeth Snape" I'd like to have the Stephen Fry versions but not at those prices. Pooh! > >Snape's Witch > _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ From pbarhug at earthlink.net Wed Jun 6 22:22:55 2007 From: pbarhug at earthlink.net (Pam Hugonnet) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:22:55 -0400 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007401c7a889$3b17cd30$0401000a@owner47xh2c046> Zelda Zunk of Corsets & Capes wrote: My local yarn shop will be doing a knit-a-long with the Harry Potter audio books. We will be knitting "Mrs. Weaseley's Bag of Stitch Witchery" from Charmed Knits as our first project. I've heard nothing but great things about Jim Dale and the audio books. I'm so excited. Knitting and Harry Potter? This must be heaven.. Where is this fabulous yarn shop? It sounds like a place that I could practically live in I've picked up the Charmed Knits book but haven't really gotten a chance to work on the projects-unless you count the House hats that I'm doing for the knit along. pam who admires Zelda's sartorial sense _,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Thu Jun 7 00:18:53 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:18:53 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c7a899$6e1326c0$66a4a8c0@rosie> Hi Carol, Trust me, Jim Dale is indeed British, but living in New York City. :-) I finally had the chance to listen to the Stephen Fry books courtesy of a friend and, over all, I found Jim's reading rhythm to be more for my taste. I will admit there are some things Stephen did which I liked better, especially the Dumbledore agony scene in HBP. I didn't like Stephen's Slughorn, though. With Jim's interpretation, you could feel Horace's fatness and merriment. Jim also gives life to his readings with song in certain places. Really, it's a matter of taste, though there are some interesting diffs between the Brit and US Versions. Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From sherriola at earthlink.net Thu Jun 7 00:43:34 2007 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:43:34 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: Thanks. I thought he sounded British, so it must be Stephen Fry, but maybe he's an American trying to *sound* British? (I wondered why Borders (an American corporation) would use the British narrator, though. Should have realized it was Jim Dale.) Are the Stephen Fry versions better, in your view? Carol, obviously unfamiliar with the audio books! Sherry: Jim Dale is British. He also happens to live in the US. I think he's a brilliant reader. I've heard clips of the Fry versions, and I don't like them as much, though I'd like to own them as well someday. It's a matter of personal preference and what reading style you prefer. I like how Dale does a different voice for every character, and because of that, even if lines of dialog aren't attributed, I always knew who was speaking. There are times when having the audio adds a whole new element to the experience. An example I mentioned to another list the other day was Harry's first visit to the Burrow. When Molly is screaming at her sons and switches to being all sweet and nice to Harry, and then back to being angry ... well, it still makes me laugh when I hear it read by Jim Dale. and that's just one case. Sherry From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 7 01:44:12 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:44:12 -0000 Subject: knitting (was Re:Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: , "Zelda Zunk" wrote: > > My local yarn shop will be doing a knit-a-long with the Harry Potter > audio books. We will be knitting "Mrs. Weaseley's Bag of Stitch > Witchery" from Charmed Knits as our first project. I've heard nothing > but great things about Jim Dale and the audio books. I'm so excited. Potioncat: I was once attempting to write a post about the symolism around Snape in HBP: spiders/spinners/weaving/knitting. Never managed to write the post but realised that most of Snape's canon supporters are knitters: Molly, Hermione, Hagrid, Dumbledore. Kathy From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 06:23:20 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:23:20 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "justcarol67" wrote: > > > Hi, Carol! > > > > These are the Jim Dale excerpts. I think he used > > the wrong voice in the birthday scene from HBP--- > it sounds like his "Hermione" voice, not his "Harry." > > > > ---Mary > > Thanks. I thought he sounded British, so it must be > Stephen Fry, but maybe he's an American trying to > *sound* British? (I wondered why Borders (an American > corporation) would use the British narrator, though. > Should have realized it was Jim Dale.) Are the Stephen > Fry versions better, in your view? > > Carol, obviously unfamiliar with the audio books! > bboyminn: We discussed this back in March and somebody posted a link to Stephen Fry version of HP. Here are the two links from that discussion - Jim Dale reads HP - (Random House) http://www.randomhouse.com/audio/features/harrypotter/ Stephen Fry reads HP - http://www.webwords.org/clipinfo.php?id=512 I've heard very good things about Jim Dale, who is indeed British as I found out in the previous discussion, and he does have a nice clear voice, and I think he does narrative very well, but for me, something seem off about the dialog. I think I prefer the Stephen Fry versions, but sadly can afford neither. The previous discussion - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/31819 And just to round things out, the link that started this discussion - Borders HP - http://www.bordersmedia.com/harrypotter/jukebox.asp I was more impressed with the Jim Dale versions I heard at Borders than the previous version I had heard, but am still leaning toward Stephen Fry, but again, can't afford either. Steve/bboyminn From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 13:34:15 2007 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:34:15 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > Carol earlier: > > > It's something I was taught in one of my English classes in grad > school. The teacher said that R&J followed all the conventions of a > romantic comedy (star-crossed lovers, misunderstandings, etc.) except > for the ending (and the two deaths I mentioned earlier--three, > counting Paris, whom I'd forgotten about). Imagine Juliet waking up > just half an hour earlier, in time to prevent Romeo's mistake. All's > Well That Ends Well, so to speak. > > > > > > > Dung: > > You mean it really *did* start out as Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's > Daughter?! Damn. And there I was thinking Norman and Stoppard were > being brilliantly clever and original... > > > Carol: > LOL. They were. Thanks ever so much for that Carol, it's really interesting. I was always amazed at how well Shakespeare In Love worked, I had no idea it had such structural support from R&J itself. As you say, though, there are a few deaths in R&J early on which shouldn't really be there if it was originally intended to be a comedy. IIRC it was Kit Marlowe (in SiL) who gives Will the idea for the first death, so perhaps the writers weren't being so clever after all. Ah well, there's always Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, one of my all-time favourites. Anyone who loves Hamlet should see it, or read it - the film's excellent, too. Dungrollin Do you want to play questions? From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 17:44:00 2007 From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: knitting (was Re:Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > , "Zelda Zunk" wrote: > > > > My local yarn shop will be doing a knit-a-long with the Harry Potter > > audio books. We will be knitting "Mrs. Weaseley's Bag of Stitch > > Witchery" from Charmed Knits as our first project. I've heard > nothing > > but great things about Jim Dale and the audio books. I'm so excited. > > > Potioncat: > I was once attempting to write a post about the symolism around Snape > in HBP: spiders/spinners/weaving/knitting. Never managed to write the > post but realised that most of Snape's canon supporters are knitters: > Molly, Hermione, Hagrid, Dumbledore. > > Kathy Kath, indeed there has been a lot of symbolism surrounding the knitting in Harry Potter. I think that Jo Rowling has definately made an impression with all the knit symbolism. I love how the Mrs. Weasley has made everything. Clunky, chunky knits. That homemade feeling of a mother's love. Home, home, family, family. Harry's lack of love in the Dursley home. Harry's search for home, family, love. Another interesting fact is that most of the people in the knit-a- long are sorted into Griffyndor and Hufflepuff. The other two houses are barely represented. However, when it comes to groups online, Snape is by far the most loved/feared/admired. I hadn't thought about the spinning, weaving but the same terms apply to telling a story. spinning a tale, oh what a wicked tale we weave, tangled web/skein. All related to knitting. curious, Zelda Zunk Corsets & Capes From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 17:21:51 2007 From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:21:51 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: <007401c7a889$3b17cd30$0401000a@owner47xh2c046> Message-ID: Pam: > Knitting and Harry Potter? This must be heaven.. > > Where is this fabulous yarn shop? It sounds like a place that I could > practically live in I've picked up the Charmed Knits book but haven't > really gotten a chance to work on the projects-unless you count the House > hats that I'm doing for the knit along. > > pam > > who admires Zelda's sartorial sense Hi Pam, I've been a long time Potter knit fan. I have my first year Hufflepuff house scarf to prove it. I too belong to the Charmed Knits knit-a-long (all 4 houses almost complete) and I've only recently found my new yarn shop only after scowering the city. Hmm, looks like house socks are on the horizon. http://alison.knitsmiths.us/ http://charmedknits.blogspot.com/ Zelda Zunk Corsets & Capes From snapes_witch at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 22:02:23 2007 From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Snape) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:02:23 -0000 Subject: Fry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Truslow" wrote: > > 1 Fry, not as expensive. > http://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Philosophers-Stone- Rowling/dp/1855496704/ref=sr_1_9/104-3558435-1123931? ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181170496&sr=1-9 > Yes, I know -- they're available locally at most bookstores -- but I really, really would like to have the UK version so I'm going to settle for the UK adult ppbk editions from Amazon.ca i/o the audio. Snape's Witch From snapes_witch at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 22:14:41 2007 From: snapes_witch at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Snape) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:14:41 -0000 Subject: Online excerpts from the audio books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Zelda Zunk" wrote: > > Hi Pam, I've been a long time Potter knit fan. I have my first year > Hufflepuff house scarf to prove it. I too belong to the Charmed > Knits knit-a-long (all 4 houses almost complete) and I've only > recently found my new yarn shop only after scowering the city. > > Hmm, looks like house socks are on the horizon. > > http://alison.knitsmiths.us/ > > http://charmedknits.blogspot.com/ > > Zelda Zunk > Corsets & Capes > I recently purchased the Charmed Knits book. Pity it only came out this spring, I'm sure DD would have added it to his loo reading! Currently I'm knitting Slytherin House socks for the midnight party next month. Snape's Witch From catlady at wicca.net Sun Jun 10 04:30:24 2007 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:30:24 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_AND_KNITTING?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote in : << Well, considering that there's an Epilogue about the *survivors* of VW2, I don't think that Voldemort/Moby Dick is going to destroy the entire WW as Moby Dick destroyed the Pequod and its whaleboats, leaving only Ishmael clinging to a floating coffin. Or which character do you think "escapes alone to tell thee"? >> I am very much afraid that *will* happen in book 7, and I strongly expect Hermione to be the one survivor who writes the story as a series of novels. ------------- What is the canon that Dumbledore knits, as opposed to just looking at Muggle knitting magazines? I'd think he'd knit his beard into the project. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 10 15:40:35 2007 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 10 Jun 2007 15:40:35 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 6/10/2007, 11:00 am Message-ID: <1181490035.225.73137.m51@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday June 10, 2007 11:00 am - 12:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2007 Yahoo! 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Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2007 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 10 19:47:15 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:47:15 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_AND_KNITTING?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > > Carol wrote in > : > > << Well, considering that there's an Epilogue about the *survivors* > of VW2, I don't think that Voldemort/Moby Dick is going to destroy the > entire WW as Moby Dick destroyed the Pequod and its whaleboats, > leaving only Ishmael clinging to a floating coffin. Or which character > do you think "escapes alone to tell thee"? >> > > I am very much afraid that *will* happen in book 7, and I strongly > expect Hermione to be the one survivor who writes the story as a > series of novels. > > ------------- > > What is the canon that Dumbledore knits, as opposed to just looking at > Muggle knitting magazines? I'd think he'd knit his beard into the project. > Alla: Oh, you mean that whole WW will be destroyed at the end and Hermione will be the only one to survive? Regardless of whether Harry dies or not, I am pretty sure that WW is not doomed IMO. Just look at the dates for some wizards of the month and you will see that they are living in our time. From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Jun 12 02:49:50 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:49:50 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_AND_KNITTING?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Catlady (Rita Prince asked: > What is the canon that Dumbledore knits, as opposed to just looking at > Muggle knitting magazines? I'd think he'd knit his beard into the project. Potioncat: Couldn't say. I don't recall if it ever comes up again--or ever before-- but the knitting magazines fit the weaving/spinning theme set up in Spinner's End. Later in HBP Snape will knit Draco back together. Kathy From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 11:56:33 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:56:33 -0000 Subject: Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com Message-ID: Goddlefrood: The third WOMBAT test is now up at JKR's site. It's too late here in Fiji for me to do it, but I'll hope to compare some notes at some stage tomorrow (for me). www.jkrowling.com Good luck! From sherriola at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 13:38:59 2007 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:38:59 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Goddlefrood: The third WOMBAT test is now up at JKR's site. It's too late here in Fiji for me to do it, but I'll hope to compare some notes at some stage tomorrow (for me). www.jkrowling.com Good luck! Sherry: I've been told by several other visually impaired people, and I've read a couple articles about how the web site designers for JR's site worked hard to make an accessible version for people using screen readers to be able to participate in the games. However, when I go to jkrowling.com, I am presented with several links, some that seem to be in other languages, all seeming to be text only versions of the site. Does anyone know how to find the accessible version of the regular site, so I can try to unlock the door, or do whatever has to be done to get to the wombat and take the test? I'd love to be able to experience it once before the end of the series. Sherry From chnc1024 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 14:32:46 2007 From: chnc1024 at yahoo.com (Chancie) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:32:46 -0000 Subject: Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't think it's possible to open the door with a screen reader, but if you want I could go and reopen the door and post the questions here for you so that you can see what they are. Have a Great Day! Chancie --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" wrote: > > I've been told by several other visually impaired people, and I've read a > couple articles about how the web site designers for JR's site worked hard > to make an accessible version for people using screen readers to be able to > participate in the games. However, when I go to jkrowling.com, I am > presented with several links, some that seem to be in other languages, all > seeming to be text only versions of the site. Does anyone know how to find > the accessible version of the regular site, so I can try to unlock the door, > or do whatever has to be done to get to the wombat and take the test? I'd > love to be able to experience it once before the end of the series. > > Sherry > From coriolan at worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 13 14:49:24 2007 From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:49:24 -0000 Subject: The Sopranos' Finale & Deathly Hallows Message-ID: Even a non-viewer of the Sopranos (such as myself) could not help but note the way that the spoliers for the final episode were displayed across the media. I'm figuring the media will show a similar lack of restraint for Deathly Hallows - i.e., within 24 hours of the book's release, we'll see front page stories that tell whether Harry lives or dies. Anyone who does not immediately begin reading (and quickly completing) DH is going to be in grave risk of hearing the ultimate spoiler. Once DH is in your hands, keep your computers and TV off, your radio unplugged and leave the daily paper unread until you reach that final "scar" word! - CMC From chnc1024 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 13 17:28:40 2007 From: chnc1024 at yahoo.com (Chancie) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:28:40 -0000 Subject: Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Chancie" wrote: > > I don't think it's possible to open the door with a screen reader, > but if you want I could go and reopen the door and post the questions > here for you so that you can see what they are. > > Have a Great Day! > Chancier > > *****************************8 Chancie: Ok here's the test...I apologize in advance for any mispellings/punctuation errors. I had to type the test, since I was unable to cut and paste, so I had to try to beat the clock. Have a Great Day! Am adding spoilers space just in case! S P O I L E R S P A C E ! ! ! ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W.O.M.B.A.T. Grade 3 ++++++++ Unlike the O.W.L.s, the W.O.M.B.A.T.s consits exclusively of written papers. Therefore the W.O.M.B.A.T.s could be sat by Muggles, although the Wizardng Examinations Authority does not believe any Muggle would have the degree of inner-knowledge required to achieve a pass. The grade 1 W.O.M.B.A.T. tests the candidate on everyday wizarding laws, domestic spells, magical transport and magical plants; Grade 2. ,magical beings and objects, wizarding current affairs, and the muggle world. The Grade 3 W.O.M.B.A.T. is the final examination, and the most difficult. Not only is the subject matter much more advanced, but the examinations are more stringently marked. Certain answers will LOSE YOU MARKS, so choose carefully... This is still not a straightforward Harry Potter trivia test. While a thorough knowledge of the books is essential to achieving a good grade at all levels of W.O.M.B.A.T., you will need inspiration as well as information, applying what you know, whether by deducing the correct answer, or by making intelligent guesses. If you would like to sit the Grade 3 W.O.M.B.A.T, you will need 35 minutes. It will take a few days for the ministry to mark your test, after which the delivery owl will reveal your result int he form of a printable certificate. And so for the final time... good luck. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PART ONE Magical History points available 30 out of a possible 100 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. In your opinion, Which of the following contributed MOST to the introduction of the International Statute of Wizarding Secrecy in 1692? Choose ONE. a) widespread persecution of wizarding children by muggles b) escalating attempts by muggles to force witches and wizards to preform magic for Muggle ends c) escalating attempts by muggles to force witches and wizards to teach them magic d) increasing numbers of witch-burnings e) increasing numbers of Muggles being burned in mistake for witches f) failure of the Ministry of Magic Delegation to Muggle king and Queens William and Mary begging for protection under muggle law. ______________________ 2. Which of the following did NOT provoke one of the bloody goblin rebellions for the 17Th and 18Th centuries? Choose ONE, a) the allegation by the goblin king Ragnuk the first that Doric Gruffing had stolen his sword b) the pursuit and imprisonment of UGO the Unreliable, who had been peddling leprechaun Gold c) the accidental death of Nagnok, Gringotts Goblin, at the hands of an untrained security troll sent by the Ministry of Magic d) the Imprisonment of the notoriously vilolent Hodrod the Horny- Handed, who had attempted to kill three wizards e) the public ducking in the village pond by a gang of young wizards, of goblin activist URG the Unclean f) The Ministry of magic decree of 1631, preventing all magical being other than wizards caring a wand ________________________ 3. Chose the ministry of magic decision that, in your estimation, had the MOST DAMAGING effect on present day wizarding life. a) the creation of the international statute of Wizarding secrecy in 1692. b) The defeat of the Appeal Against House- Elf Slavery in 1973 c) The drive into hiding of the surviving giants in the early 1980's d) the 1865 decision to leave full control of Gringotts in the Goblin hands e)the Wand band of 1631, which forbade non-human magical beings to carry wands ________________ 4. Chose the ministry of magic decision that, in your estimation, had the BEST effect on present day warding life. a) the Creation of the international statute of Wizarding secrecy in 1692. b) The defeat of the Appeal Against House- Elf Slavery in 1973 c) The drive into hiding of the surviving giants in the early 1980's d) the 1865 decision to leave full control of Gringotts in the Goblin hands e)The Wand band of 1631, which forbade non-human magical beings to carry wands __________________________ 5. Which of the following popular historical theories have now been proven to be TRUE? Choose the correct THREE a) The oldest building in diagon Alley is gringotts bank; the other shops grew up around it. b) Towards the end of his life Salazar Slytherin reconsiled with the other founders of Hogwarts School, and retuned to the castle to Die. c) The muggle 'war of the roses; began as a dispute between wizarding neighbors over a fanged geranium d) The second wife of Henry VIII, and Boleyn was accused by muggles of being a witch but was actually a squib. e) A secret task force of wizards and muggles hellped allies to victory in the second world war. f) The forbidden forest begain life as a wood planted and tended by a centaur herd. g) The great fire of London in 1666 was not, as muggles believe started by a blaze in a bakery in Pudding Lane, but by a young Welsh Green Dragon kept in the basement of a house next door. h) The sorting Hat of Hogwarts was stolen and substitute by a group of delinquent students in 1325. The were abouts of the real had remain unknown. i) upon his death in battle in 1762, goblin rebel Vargot was discovered to be a renegade house elf j) the location and name of Hogwarts were chosen by Rowena Ravenclaw who dreamed that a warty hog was leading her to the cliff by the lake. _________________________________________________________ 6.****Match the minister of Magic with the major upheaval of his/her term in office, dates of which are marked A. Artesima Lufkin 1798-1811 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy _________________________________________ B. Grogan Stump 1811-1819 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy ___________________________________ C. Faris "Spout-Hole" spavin 1865-1903 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy __________________________________ D. Nobby leach 1962-1968 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy ________________________________ E. Milicent Bagnold 1980-1990 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy ____________________________ F. Cornelius Fudge 1990-1996 a) Attempted assassination by a centaur b) pureblood riots during Squib rights marches c) several of the oldest wizengamot wizards walkout in protest at Minister's appointment d) Persistent denial of notorious Dark wizard's existence forces minister's resignation after dark wizard appears at ministry of magic e) Ghost demonstrations of ministry of magic "protest floats" f)A night of large-scale breaches of the international wizarding statute of secrecy ________________________________________ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ PART TWO International Wizardry points available 20 out of a possible 100 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 7.****Mark the following statements true or false A. There are witches and wizards living in every country of the world a) True b) False ________________________ B. Some countries have wizard royal families a) True b) False _______________________ C. The trade in flying carpets has been banned everywhere except the Far East. a) True b) False _______________________ D. The worlds largest center for Alchemical Studies is situated in Egypt. a) True b) False __________________ E. The age at which magic may be preformed legally varies from country to country. a) True b) False ___________________________ F. Inter-country Apparation has been outlawed due to extreme splinching. a) True b) False ________________________________ G. There is a wizarding school in every country where wizards and witches are found a) True b) False ________________________________ H. Portkeys may be arranged between countries only with the consent of both nation's Ministries of Magic. a) True b) False ___________________________ I. It is illegal to sent mail-bearing owls across international borders unless the owl has been granted authorization. a) True b) False ___________________________ J. The most persistent offender against the Wizarding Statute of Secrecy is Scotland. a) True b) False ____________________________ +++++++++++++++++++++++ PART THREE Magical Theory (Points available 20 out of a possible 100) +++++++++++++++++++++++ 8. Which of the following is CORRECT? a) food can be conjured out of thin air b) any object can be transfigured into food c) foodstuffs can be increased, transfigured, summoned, from a distance and magically cooked d) It is impossible to make the inedible, edible. e) Food-related charms are some of the simplest forms of magic _____________________________________________ 9. Which of the following is INCORRECT? a) An animagus is able to form a kind of self-transfiguration b) an animagus is able to preform a kind of self-charm c) an animagus is able to preform a kind of magic that is NEITHER Transfiguration Nor Charm ______________________________ 10. Which of the following is/are possible? a) Curing a poison victim without the correct antidote b) curing a curse victim without the correct counter-spell c) UN-transfiguring a person or object without knowing what the were originally d) transfiguring animals into humans e) All of the above f) None of the above _________________________________ 11. Which of the following is/are IMPOSSIBLE a) transfiguring inanimate objects into animate objects b) transfiguring animate objects into inanimate objects c) vanishing inanimate objects d) vanishing animate objects e) all of the above f) none of the above ________________________________________________ +++++++++++++++++++ PART FOUR Dark Magic Points available: 30 out of a possible 100 +++++++++++++++++++ 12. Which TWO of the following policies do you think would best serve the Ministry of Magic in it's fight against the Dark Arts? a) Destroy all dark arts spellbooks b) Unforgivable Curses to be taught from year 1 at hogwarts c) out law sale of all good that can be use in the Dark Arts d) Automatic life Sentences in Azkaban for all convicted of Dark Arts crimes. e) Improve Ministry of Magic Public information services f) Lift jinx on post of defense against the dark arts teacher at Hogwarts g)Persuade the Boy Who Lived to front anti-Dark arts publicity campaign _________________________________________________________ 13. Which of the following is TRUE? a) To become an inferius, a person must have been murdered by dark magic. b) Occlumency can guard against possession. c) Dementors are unknown in tropical climates d) A curse is stronger than a hex, which is stronger than a jinx e) If a werewolf mates at the full moon, the will produce a cub rather than a human baby. _______________________________________ 14. Which of the following is false? a) Patronuses vary in strength according to which animal's form they take. b) There is only one documented case of a person surviving a killing curse c) hags have only rudimentary magic, similar to that observed in trolls. d) No defensive spell exists against the cruciatius curse. e) giants have traditionally allied them selves with DA ________________________ 15. ****Match the dangerous being, plant or potion with the spell, substance or object that will conqure it. A. Boggart a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ B. Dementor a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ C. Drought of Living Death a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ D. Imperious Curse a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ E. Inferi a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ F. werewolf a) aconite b) asphodel c) bezor d) chocolate e) Expecto Patronum f) fire g) pheonix tears h) Riddikulus i) sunlight j) will k) Wingardium Leviosa l) wormwood m) NO CURE ___________________________________ TEST COMPLETED From n2fgc at arrl.net Wed Jun 13 18:04:03 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:04:03 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501c7ade5$3a67b6a0$66a4a8c0@rosie> | Sherry: | | I've been told by several other visually impaired people, and | I've read a | couple articles about how the web site designers for JR's | site worked hard | to make an accessible version for people using screen readers | to be able to | participate in the games. However, when I go to jkrowling.com, I am | presented with several links, some that seem to be in other | languages, all | seeming to be text only versions of the site. Does anyone | know how to find | the accessible version of the regular site, so I can try to | unlock the door, [Lee]: Sherry, there is a button, not a link on the page that says Enter Accessability Mode or something like that. You will be presented with the flash site with all the goodies and sounds. It is slow, loads slow and sometimes you have to focus out and back again to read the stuff after you've done something. It does work and I'd be happy to talk you through. Write me off list and I'll give you my phone number or whatever and we can do it together. Cheers, Lee :-) From sherriola at earthlink.net Thu Jun 14 12:59:14 2007 From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:59:14 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: <001501c7ade5$3a67b6a0$66a4a8c0@rosie> Message-ID: [Lee]: Sherry, there is a button, not a link on the page that says Enter Accessability Mode or something like that. You will be presented with the flash site with all the goodies and sounds. It is slow, loads slow and sometimes you have to focus out and back again to read the stuff after you've done something. It does work and I'd be happy to talk you through. Write me off list and I'll give you my phone number or whatever and we can do it together. Cheers, Lee :-) Sherry: thanks, Lee. Once I went into the screen reader configuration and re-enabled flash, I was able to find the button for the accessible flash version. I dialed the phone just for fun. However, when I went to the wombat button, I was asked for my student ID which I don't have. I tried just making up one but it didn't like that! How long are the tests usually available? I may not be able to deal with this till the weekend. Sherry From spin01 at aol.com Thu Jun 14 14:54:36 2007 From: spin01 at aol.com (spinelli372003) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:54:36 -0000 Subject: sign is off the door Message-ID: Hi all, Have not posted in a long time but just went into J.K. Rowlings website and the do not disturb sign is off the door. Has anyone been able to get in yet? sherry From hickengruendler at yahoo.de Thu Jun 14 15:16:14 2007 From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:16:14 -0000 Subject: Wombat #3 Now at JKRowling.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Lee :-) > > > > Sherry: > > thanks, Lee. Once I went into the screen reader configuration and > re-enabled flash, I was able to find the button for the accessible flash > version. I dialed the phone just for fun. However, when I went to the > wombat button, I was asked for my student ID which I don't have. I tried > just making up one but it didn't like that! How long are the tests usually > available? I may not be able to deal with this till the weekend. > > Sherry > HIckengruendler: You don't need the student ID to take the test. (It is only necessary to get your marks, and if you have finished the test, you will get an ID automatically). Click on the eraser and you'll come to the room with the door. There's a fly on the window, click it and it turns into the Key, with which you can open the door. I don't know, if all of this is necessary at the Accesibility enabled version as well, but click on the eraser and not on the Wombard Card, than you could do your test. the Wombat card is only necessary for getting the results. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Jun 14 18:27:19 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:27:19 -0000 Subject: Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in. Message-ID: In the main group people were discussing the current Wombat test, and it seemed interesting, so I thought I would go have a look. I go to the website, Enter, the click on the WOMBAT icon, then a new screen opens that asks me to enter my Student Identification Code. I simply entered a username I wanted to use. When that didn't work, I entered a email address, which also didn't work. At the bottom of the screen is a message saying 'Checking your Student Identification Code - Please wait.' But nothing ever happens it is just stuck there. So, what is the 'Student Identification Code'? Do I have to do something special to get one? If so, then what? Have the questions for Wombat ever been published in another location, say the Leaky Cauldron for example? HELP! Steve/bboyminn From mwood005 at houston.rr.com Thu Jun 14 18:33:19 2007 From: mwood005 at houston.rr.com (melody_wood14) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:33:19 -0000 Subject: Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---go to mugglenet.com they have directions . Hopes this halps. In HPFGU- OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > In the main group people were discussing the current > Wombat test, and it seemed interesting, so I thought I > would go have a look. > > I go to the website, Enter, the click on the WOMBAT icon, > then a new screen opens that asks me to enter my Student > Identification Code. I simply entered a username I wanted > to use. When that didn't work, I entered a email > address, which also didn't work. > > At the bottom of the screen is a message saying > 'Checking your Student Identification Code - Please > wait.' But nothing ever happens it is just stuck there. > > So, what is the 'Student Identification Code'? Do I > have to do something special to get one? If so, then > what? > > Have the questions for Wombat ever been published in > another location, say the Leaky Cauldron for example? > > HELP! > > Steve/bboyminn > From wej5541 at gmail.com Thu Jun 14 17:58:14 2007 From: wej5541 at gmail.com (wej5541) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:58:14 -0000 Subject: sign is off the door In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "spinelli372003" wrote: > > Hi all, Have not posted in a long time but just went into J.K. > Rowlings website and the do not disturb sign is off the door. Has > anyone been able to get in yet? > sherry > >From Mugglenet: 1. Click on the fly (on the window). It turns into a key. 2. Drag this to the keyhole. 3. Stack the shapes on top of each other: Triangle on line, circle on triangle. 4. Click this shape, then click the exam paper to begin. wej5541 From sistermagpie at earthlink.net Thu Jun 14 19:02:24 2007 From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:02:24 -0000 Subject: Instructions: (was Re: Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve: > > In the main group people were discussing the current > Wombat test, and it seemed interesting, so I thought I > would go have a look. > > I go to the website, Enter, the click on the WOMBAT icon, > then a new screen opens that asks me to enter my Student > Identification Code. I simply entered a username I wanted > to use. When that didn't work, I entered a email > address, which also didn't work. > > At the bottom of the screen is a message saying > 'Checking your Student Identification Code - Please > wait.' But nothing ever happens it is just stuck there. > > So, what is the 'Student Identification Code'? Do I > have to do something special to get one? If so, then > what? Magpie: Heh-I clicked on the wrong group today. You're actually clicking in the wrong place. The thing you're clicking on is the place where you can look at the results of your previous WOMBATS if you saved your student code from those tests. What you need to do is click on the pink eraser (it comes up with a question mark when you run the mouse over it). This will take you to the room with the door and a window and a mirror. A fly will land on the window. Put your pointer on the fly and click and the fly will turn into a key. Drag the key to the lock and open the door. Inside you'll find some pieces that you need to put on top of each other to form the symcol on the DH spine. It will sparkle when you do, and then you click that. Then you can click on the test lying underneath it and begin. When you begin it will ask you if you have a student code. If you click no, it will just begin the test and I believe give you a code at the end. You need to save that to get your results once they come in. -m From bhobbs36 at verizon.net Thu Jun 14 18:37:50 2007 From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:50 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in. References: Message-ID: <003a01c7aeb3$1dc1d610$040a0a0a@ronaldruss1clq> ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in. In the main group people were discussing the current Wombat test, and it seemed interesting, so I thought I would go have a look. I go to the website, Enter, the click on the WOMBAT icon, then a new screen opens that asks me to enter my Student Identification Code. I simply entered a username I wanted to use. When that didn't work, I entered a email address, which also didn't work. At the bottom of the screen is a message saying 'Checking your Student Identification Code - Please wait.' But nothing ever happens it is just stuck there. So, what is the 'Student Identification Code'? Do I have to do something special to get one? If so, then what? Have the questions for Wombat ever been published in another location, say the Leaky Cauldron for example? HELP! Steve/bboyminn Yes Steve, we have posted the questions from the previous WOMBAT tests on the Lexicon. This page has links to all of them: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizworld/wombat/wombat-results.html The WOMBAT card on the desktop is for retrieving your score after the test is over. You will get a Student ID number after completing the test. The WOMBAT test is found behind the secret Door. For instructions on how to do that, check out the Lexicon's post here: http://www.hp-lexicon.org/whats_new.php If you have any questions, leave a comment under the post! I'll be happy to answer =) Belinda Editor HP Lexicon's Guide to JKR.com From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Fri Jun 15 01:00:52 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:00:52 -0000 Subject: Problems with WOMBAT - can't get in. In-Reply-To: <003a01c7aeb3$1dc1d610$040a0a0a@ronaldruss1clq> Message-ID: > Steve / bboyminn: > In the main group people were discussing the current > Wombat test, and it seemed interesting, so I thought I > would go have a look. > > I go to the website, Enter, the click on the WOMBAT icon, > then a new screen opens that asks me to enter my Student > Identification Code. I simply entered a username I wanted > to use. When that didn't work, I entered a email > address, which also didn't work. > > At the bottom of the screen is a message saying > 'Checking your Student Identification Code - Please > wait.' But nothing ever happens it is just stuck there. > > So, what is the 'Student Identification Code'? Do I > have to do something special to get one? If so, then > what? > > Have the questions for Wombat ever been published in > another location, say the Leaky Cauldron for example? Goddlefrood: The instructions given by wej554 were incorrect. Here is what you do: Click the eraser at JKRowling's desktop. You will be taken to the Room of Requirement. Click and hold on the fly, it becomes a key, place the key over the lock on the door. The door opens. Inside there is a line a circle and a triangle. The line goes at the bottom, the circle next and the triangle on top. Then the exam paper needs clicking on and you can either enter your existing student ID or create a new one. You will need that ID for your results. The ID is generated for you before taking the test, note it or there is also an option to print it. Hope you enjoy the test, follow the above and you'll get to it and have an ID for the results. Goddlefrood From 12newmoons at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 15:40:40 2007 From: 12newmoons at gmail.com (Laura Horowitz) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:40:40 -0000 Subject: Attention Pittsburgh HP fans! Message-ID: Hello, Pittsburgh area HP fans! You are invited to a series of discussion groups about Book 7, beginning this Sunday, June 17. Here are the details: Sunday, June 17 Severus Snape: Dark Anti-Hero or Greasy Git? Love him or hate him, we have to deal with him?and so will Harry. It looks like the fates of the Boy Who Lived and the Potions/DADA Master are inextricably intertwined. What is Snape's secret? Is he good, bad, or something else entirely? And what about LOLLIPOPS? Sunday, June 24 Shipping and Slashing: Relationships in Harry Potter Canon and Fandom Romantic relationships in HP have intrigued and inspired the fandom since Sorcerer's Stone appeared in our lives. Fans argue passionately in favor of their favorite ship and slash (same-sex relationship). What ship do you sail? Do you read or write slash fic? If so, who do you slash? Sunday, July 8 The Future of the Trio The end of Half-Blood Prince brought the trio to the most dramatic turning point they've yet reached. Ron and Hermione will be by Harry's side as he finishes his journey. But what will happen afterwards? Will Hermione become Minister of Magic? Will Ron become Keeper for the Chudley Cannons? And Harry ? Sunday, July 15 Predictions for Deathly Hallows We've been doing it since Book One came out. Now's the time to let loose with your theories. Bring your ideas about your favorite characters and plot lines to share-and have your text-based proof ready! Time: 7-8 PM Location: Barnes and Noble Squirrel Hill, 1723 Murray Avenue For more information, call 412 521 3600. Or please feel free to email me at 12newmoons at gmail.com . I hope to see you there! Laura [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 16:24:45 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:24:45 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dung wrote: > > Thanks ever so much for that Carol, it's really interesting. I was > always amazed at how well Shakespeare In Love worked, I had no idea > it had such structural support from R&J itself. As you say, though, > there are a few deaths in R&J early on which shouldn't really be > there if it was originally intended to be a comedy. IIRC it was Kit > Marlowe (in SiL) who gives Will the idea for the first death, so > perhaps the writers weren't being so clever after all. > > Ah well, there's always Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, one of > my all-time favourites. Anyone who loves Hamlet should see it, or > read it - the film's excellent, too. > > Dungrollin > Do you want to play questions? > Carol: You're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. There are tidbits throughout "Shakespeare in Love" that border on what little we know of Shakespeare's and Marlow's lives; for example, Marlow was killed at age 29 in a brawl (though Shakespeare wasn't involved) and his plays influenced Shakespeare's, and Shakespeare was married to an older woman (he had a daughter whose name escapes me and twins named Hamnet and Judith; Hamnet died at thirteen. This isn't in the film, but it has always amused me that his wife willed him her "second-best bed"). The sonnets to the Dark Lady are also touched on near the beginning of the film, IIRC (it's been awhile since I watched it). The rest cleverly combines speculation and fiction (there was never a plan for "Romeo and Ethel, the Pirate's Daughter" or anything like it), and somewhat blends Romeo's lovelife with Shakespeare's (Romeo starts off infatuated with an unseen girl named Rosaline before falling in love with Juliet). Also, many of Shakespeare's comedies, as I'm sure you know, involve the heroine disguising herself as a boy--all the easier because female roles were played by boys before the Puritans closed down the theaters. (When Charles II opened them again, he allowed women to play female roles as they already did in France, where he had lived in exile during the Cromwell regimes.) So Viola's disguise is based on a real theatrical practice and Shakespeare's own heroines. Anyway, it's a very clever script that could only have been written by someone (or two "someones" thoroughly familiar with Shakespeare). I haven't seen "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead." Obviously, I should. Carol, who doesn't know what "play questions" means and wonders if it's anything like Trivial Pursuit From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 16 17:08:32 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:08:32 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_("Moby_Dick"_spoiler_and_all)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > << Well, considering that there's an Epilogue about the *survivors* of VW2, I don't think that Voldemort/Moby Dick is going to destroy the entire WW as Moby Dick destroyed the Pequod and its whaleboats, leaving only Ishmael clinging to a floating coffin. Or which character do you think "escapes alone to tell thee"? >> > Catlady: > I am very much afraid that *will* happen in book 7, and I strongly expect Hermione to be the one survivor who writes the story as a series of novels. Carol again: I think your worries are groundless. Yes, a few characters will die, some of them fan favorites (Hagrid and a Weasley and maybe poor Luna or Susan Bones), but the whole WW won't be wiped out. Hogwarts witll still exist, so the WW is not wiped out: "JKR: I will tell you that one of the characters - er - one of - one of Harry's class mates, though it's not Harry himself, does end up a teacher at Hogwarts, but it is not maybe the one you'd think - hint, hint, hint! So, yes one of them does end up staying at Hogwarts, but - erm ... Kathleen: Do you like to have a guess at who it is? Class: Ron. JKR: Noooo - it's not Ron ... because I can't see Ron as a teacher, no way. http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1999/1099-connectiontransc2.htm#p24 Notice that she doesn't imply that Ron won't survive, only that he won't be a teacher. (He's expressed a desire to become an Auror, and I think he'll get his wish. Otherwise, why have both boys take Potions in HBP?) "Maybe not the one you'd think" seems to rule out Hermione as the teacher, so I think it must be Neville as Herbology teacher. But *someone* of Harry's age survives to teach there, so many others of around the same age must survive to produce the next generaltion of students. Also, of course, the genre conventions I've mentioned suggest that the protagonist and his two best friends and, alas, even Ginny, will survive and that only a few important characters will be killed. (Pathos loses its effect when the deaths become too numerous. The HP books aren't a video game in which life and death are meaningless.) At any rate, there would be no point in writing an epilogue about the survivors if there were no survivors, no favorite characters whose fates we care about to summarize. Here's what JKR actually said about it: "JKR: This is the thing that I was very dubious about showing you, and I don't really know why because what does this give away? [It's a big folder] But this is the Final Chapter of book seven. Um ... [laughs] which I'm still dubious about showing you, I don't know what I feel like, the camera's gonna be able to see through the folder. So this is it, and I'm not opening it for obvious reasons. This is really where I wrap everything up, it's the Epilogue, and I basically say what happens to everyone after they leave school -- those who survive, because there are deaths, more deaths, coming. It was a way of saying to myself, Well, "you will get here, you will get to book seven, one day. And ... then you'll need this!" http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2001/1201-bbc-hpandme.htm So "more deaths" are coming, including, evidently, those of some Hogwarts students, but the longish chapter (it's a big folder) relates what happens to "*everyone* [who survives] after they leave school." I hope "everyone" includes teachers and families as well as kids. I desperately want to know what happens to Snape (assuming he doesn't pull a Boromir and die nobly repentant). So my feeling is, no lone survivor telling the tale. (How could Hermione go back and write the story from Harry's pov? She'd use her own.) Lots of survivors, including both Hogwarts students and teachers, along with Hogwarts itself, which is almost a character in the books (and all its ghosts)--enough to fill a satisfyingly long epilogue. Carol, not at all afraid that JKR will kill "all but one" and suspecting that more than four deaths of characters we care about would cause most readers to stop reading in anger and disgust From enlil65 at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 15:35:55 2007 From: enlil65 at gmail.com (Peggy Wilkins) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:35:55 -0000 Subject: Student becomes Hogwarts teacher (was: Re: Harry's fate according to the bookies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > Carol again: > I think your worries are groundless. Yes, a few characters will die, > some of them fan favorites (Hagrid and a Weasley and maybe poor Luna > or Susan Bones), but the whole WW won't be wiped out. Hogwarts witll > still exist, so the WW is not wiped out: > > "JKR: I will tell you that one of the characters - er - one of > - one of Harry's class mates, though it's not Harry himself, does end > up a teacher at Hogwarts, but it is not maybe the one you'd think - > hint, hint, hint! So, yes one of them does end up staying at Hogwarts, > but - erm ... > > Kathleen: Do you like to have a guess at who it is? > Class: Ron. > > JKR: Noooo - it's not Ron ... because I can't see Ron as a teacher, no > way. > http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1999/1099-connectiontransc2.htm#p24 > > Notice that she doesn't imply that Ron won't survive, only that he > won't be a teacher. (He's expressed a desire to become an Auror, and I > think he'll get his wish. Otherwise, why have both boys take Potions > in HBP?) "Maybe not the one you'd think" seems to rule out Hermione as > the teacher, so I think it must be Neville as Herbology teacher. But > *someone* of Harry's age survives to teach there... Peggy W: This made me think. I really like the idea of Draco as Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. It makes a nice wrap-up: he chooses sides, leaving behind the dark arts, and on top of that (because of course he must stay in the position more than one year) the position is no longer jinxed (or was it hexed... I always get those mixed up). That probably means Voldemort must have died, also, because the jinx is gone. My money is definitely on Draco! (Well, this did start out as a thread about the bookies...) And after thinking about it in those terms, to me for consistency it may suggest good-side-Snape, too. That's one I'm not putting a bet on, though. :) Peggy Wilkins We Kingly Pigs From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Jun 17 15:40:30 2007 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 17 Jun 2007 15:40:30 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 6/17/2007, 11:00 am Message-ID: <1182094830.44.73271.m47@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday June 17, 2007 11:00 am - 12:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2007 Yahoo! 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Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2007 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Jun 18 02:25:30 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:25:30 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_("Moby_Dick"_spoiler_and_all)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > Notice that she doesn't imply that Ron won't survive, only that he > won't be a teacher. (He's expressed a desire to become an Auror, and I > think he'll get his wish. Otherwise, why have both boys take Potions > in HBP?) "Maybe not the one you'd think" seems to rule out Hermione as > the teacher, so I think it must be Neville as Herbology teacher. Potioncat: 5th-year-Ron wanted to be an Auror. But I think he'll become a Healer. It requires the same classes as Auror, so both boys would need Potions. (My 15-year-old son wanted to be a cop. Now that he's 18, that career has dropped from his list.) Neville is a good guess for teacher, but I wouldn't rule out Percy. It sort of depends on JKR's definition of classmate. Kathy From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 08:54:49 2007 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:54:49 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I haven't seen "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead." Obviously, I > should. > Oh my goodness, yes! It's Hamlet rewritten around Rozencrantz & Guildenstern as the main characters, who spend much of the play confused about why they are in Elsinore, what's wrong with Hamlet, and which one is Rozencrantz and which Guildenstern. Very existential, clever, funny, and for Shakespeare lovers. There's a very good film of it which was directed by Stoppard, and stars Gary Oldman, Tim Roth and Richard Dreyfuss. I just looked it up on wikipedia, and it said something very interesting. "Other authors have also experimented with characters who (partially) understand that they are fictional ? for example, in Frank Baker's classic Miss Hargreaves: A Fantasy, in Jostein Gaarder's Sophie's World, in Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy, in Luigi Pirandello's Six Characters in Search of an Author, Woody Allen's "Old Saybrook" and in Paul W?hr's Das falsche Buch. Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next series also makes heavy use of characters who understand that they are fictional." Since I adore Jasper Fforde, and Jostein Gaarder, I'll have to check out the others on the list... From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 18 21:41:01 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:41:01 -0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Harry=92s_fate_according_to_the_bookies_(more_literary_spoilers)?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > I haven't seen "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead." Obviously, I > > should. > > Dungrollin responded: > Oh my goodness, yes! It's Hamlet rewritten around Rozencrantz & Guildenstern as the main characters, who spend much of the play confused about why they are in Elsinore, what's wrong with Hamlet, and which one is Rozencrantz and which Guildenstern. Very existential, clever, funny, and for Shakespeare lovers. There's a very good film of it which was directed by Stoppard, and stars Gary Oldman, Tim Roth and Richard Dreyfuss. Carol again.: Thanks. It's just gone onto my must-see list. Sounds hilarious. Carol, who may go on a Shakespeare binge when she's recovered from DH (please, please let it be as good as it can be, with laughter as well as tears and Harry forgiving Snape!) From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 04:12:50 2007 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:12:50 -0000 Subject: Harry potter Parties ideas Message-ID: There use to be a website for HP parties called "Potter Parties", but I can not find it. Does anyone know of a site that list the different parties and/ or has some in with WB to get stuff that we can give out to line party people? I have never done a line party, but I am doing a small one this year, and have not one idea as to how. HELP. Thanks. Tonks From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 14:12:15 2007 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:12:15 -0000 Subject: Harry potter Parties ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" wrote: > > There use to be a website for HP parties called "Potter Parties", but I > can not find it. Does anyone know of a site that list the different > parties and/ or has some in with WB to get stuff that we can give out > to line party people? I have never done a line party, but I am doing a > small one this year, and have not one idea as to how. HELP. Thanks. > > Tonks > It's still there -- http://www.potterparties.com/ And it's still linked through The Leaky Cauldron's Features links, in case you lose it again. ;) I haven't explored it to see what all is in it, but I see they do have stuff for DH, so it's still active. Annemehr From maritajan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 19 16:11:25 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fandango / Order of the Phoenix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <338784.9256.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FYI - If you have a local theatre that's having a midnight showing of Phoenix, you can buy tickets now on Fandango. I waited too long for Goblet and didn't get the IMAX showing, so I made sure I kept a sharp eye out this time around. woo hoo! MJ ------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/maritajan --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bunniqula at gmail.com Tue Jun 19 16:55:02 2007 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:55:02 -0400 Subject: Fandango $1 off any movie Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Fandango / Order of the Phoenix Message-ID: <1a2738400706190955p6ea2d2dfxde3af1918ec88ad@mail.gmail.com> I think this is a legit way... heh, versus last week's ~$10 FOX TV series DVD sets at Best Buy--I still got two DVD sets that were originally priced at $38.99 for $9.99 each, before BB put the smackdown. Some other folk were buying 20+ DVD sets last week. On 6/19/07, MJ wrote: > FYI - If you have a local theatre that's having a midnight showing of Phoenix, you can buy tickets now on Fandango. > Anyway, if ya gotta pay Fandango fees, might as well try saving a buck. >From GG: [[ http://www.fandango.com/mcdonalds Purchase movie tickets on Fandango for the McDonald's(r) Dollar Menunaire Movie Deal and receive $1 off your movie ticket order at Fandango! 1. Enter your city or ZIP code to search for movies on Fandango.com, or select "Buy Tickets" for the featured McDonald's(r) Dollar Menunaire Movie Deal. 2. Select a theater and showtime and continue through the Fandango purchase process. 3. On checkout, you receive $1 off your total purchase price.* *Offer subject to limited availability Limit 1 redemption per customer, per month. Expires 12/31/07. ]] Dina From Aixoise at snet.net Wed Jun 20 02:09:55 2007 From: Aixoise at snet.net (Stacey Nunes-Ranchy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:09:55 -0400 Subject: Bumper sticker Message-ID: <00ee01c7b2e0$19677ee0$65fea8c0@outlooksoft.com> Just had to share this with people who (hopefully) would find it as humorous as I did. I was following a car sporting what seemed to be any other red. white and blue "Vote for ...." bumper sticker. However, upon closer inspection, I realized it actually read "Republicans for Voldemort". I almost ran off the road from laughing so much! I'd love to hear of others' sightings of HP bumper stickers! Counting down the days until Movie 5 and Book 7, Stacey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From maritajan at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 02:18:07 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Bumper sticker In-Reply-To: <00ee01c7b2e0$19677ee0$65fea8c0@outlooksoft.com> Message-ID: <247991.30266.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had one on my car that read: "Free Stan Shunpike!" Now, I have one that says, "I trust Severus Snape completely." (Me, too) MJ Stacey Nunes-Ranchy wrote: Just had to share this with people who (hopefully) would find it as humorous as I did. I was following a car sporting what seemed to be any other red. white and blue "Vote for ...." bumper sticker. However, upon closer inspection, I realized it actually read "Republicans for Voldemort". I almost ran off the road from laughing so much! I'd love to hear of others' sightings of HP bumper stickers! Counting down the days until Movie 5 and Book 7, Stacey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/maritajan --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tonks_op at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:31:34 2007 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:31:34 -0000 Subject: OP Movie (was Re: Fandango / Order of the Phoenix) In-Reply-To: <338784.9256.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MJ wrote: > > FYI - If you have a local theatre that's having a midnight showing of Phoenix, you can buy tickets now on Fandango. > Tonks: I called the local theatre to order tickets and get a deal on popcorn and stuff because I have a group. They told me that WB might allow theaters to show before midnight. They said I could get the midnight tickets and watch their website each day and when they get the go ahead from WB, I could trade them for an earlier showing. It would be easier on all of the folks that have to go to work the next day if WB does decide to allow showing anytime after 8:00pm. Has anyone else heard anything about that? Tonks_op From tonks_op at yahoo.com Wed Jun 20 04:39:43 2007 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:39:43 -0000 Subject: Bumper sticker In-Reply-To: <247991.30266.qm@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MJ wrote: > > I had one on my car that read: "Free Stan Shunpike!" > Now, I have one that says, > "I trust Severus Snape completely." > Stacey Nunes-Ranchy wrote: "Vote for ...." bumper sticker. (Snip)I realized it actually read "Republicans for Voldemort". I > almost ran off the road from laughing so much! > I'd love to hear of others' sightings of HP bumper stickers! Tonks: I had one that said 'Voldemort Votes Republican'. I think you can get this stuff which is not official and a bit contraband at Cafe Press. Tonks_op From Mhochberg at aol.com Wed Jun 20 17:49:34 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:49:34 EDT Subject: Bumper sticker Message-ID: Tonks writes: I think you can get this stuff which is not official and a bit contraband at Cafe Press. ~~~~~ Wheeee! Thanks, Tonks! Lots and lots of good ideas there! ---Mary, hauling out her button machine ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From crm2247 at bn.com Thu Jun 21 00:01:50 2007 From: crm2247 at bn.com (Mike Koller) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:01:50 -0000 Subject: Seeking Volunteers for Harry Potter Book Release Bash! Message-ID: Hello fellow Muggles, My name is Mike Koller, and I am the Community Relations Manager for Barnes & Noble's Eastridge Mall store in San Jose CA. We are hard at work planning a spectacular release party for the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. I was wondering if anyone who lives in the San Jose/ Santa Clara County area was interested in helping in running select games, activites and more at my store? If so, please e-mail me at crm2247 at bn.com or call at (408) 270-9477 and let me know. Our store address is: Barnes & Noble Eastridge Mall 2200 Eastridge Loop Space #1420 San Jose CA 95122 (408) 270-9470 I appreciate any inquiries. Thank you so much! Mike Koller Community Relations Manager Barnes & Noble Eastridge From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 00:45:02 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:45:02 -0000 Subject: William of What's it's Razor Message-ID: I've recently been enjoying the Occam's/Ockham's razor thread on the main list and started wondering about the variant spellings. I've always spelled it "Occam's," and Merriam-Webster Online gives "Occam's" as the main entry with "Ockham's" as an alternate spelling, but the placename is spelled "Ockham," and William himself is generally called William of Ockham, AFAIK. Does any one know whether one spelling is more correct than the other? Maybe "Occam" is an Americanism? (I don't suppose Noah Webster "improved" that spelling as he did by dropping the "u" in such words as "colour" and "behaviour." Or did he?) Carol, just curious but also liking to get things right From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 02:06:27 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:06:27 -0000 Subject: William of What's it's Razor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > I've recently been enjoying the Occam's/Ockham's razor thread on the main list and started wondering about the variant spellings. I've always spelled it "Occam's," and Merriam-Webster Online gives "Occam's" as the main entry with "Ockham's" as an alternate spelling, but the placename is spelled "Ockham," and William himself is generally called William of Ockham, AFAIK. > Does any one know whether one spelling is more correct than the other? Maybe "Occam" is an Americanism? (I don't suppose Noah Webster "improved" that spelling as he did by dropping the "u" in such words as "colour" and "behaviour." Or did he?) Goddlefrood: It's a simple case of long usage. Ockham was the original, but because phonetically it is the same as Occam and because our forebears on both sides of the Atlantic were quite loose about spelling the convention has now become Occam. Other than in one post at main I've never seen it spelt Ockham, although strictly that would be correct as it was William of Ockham who devised the concept. Not that I'm trying to colour your thinking, but there you have it. May it find favour with you ;-) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 04:47:54 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:47:54 -0000 Subject: William of What's it's Razor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > > > I've recently been enjoying the Occam's/Ockham's razor > thread on the main list and started wondering about the > variant spellings. I've always spelled it "Occam's," and > Merriam-Webster Online gives "Occam's" as the main entry > with "Ockham's" as an alternate spelling, but the placename > is spelled "Ockham," and William himself is generally called > William of Ockham, AFAIK. > > > Does any one know whether one spelling is more correct than > the other? Maybe "Occam" is an Americanism? (I don't suppose > Noah Webster "improved" that spelling as he did by dropping > the "u" in such words as "colour" and "behaviour." Or did he?) > > Goddlefrood: > > It's a simple case of long usage. Ockham was the original, but > because phonetically it is the same as Occam and because our > forebears on both sides of the Atlantic were quite loose about > spelling the convention has now become Occam. > > Other than in one post at main I've never seen it spelt Ockham, > although strictly that would be correct as it was William of > Ockham who devised the concept. > > Not that I'm trying to colour your thinking, but there you have > it. May it find favour with you ;-) > Carol: Ah, sir, you are so kind. That's "favor" for us Americans, though, thanks to Noah Webster. But thank you; your response is roughly what I thought was the case, only until I first saw the spelling "ockham," I thought that "Occam" was pronounced "OCK sum," so I'm not sure they're phonetically the same, not to mention that British English isn't phonetic, anyway--witness Worcestershire and similar place names. (Neither is American English, but I don't know of any such drastic examples.) I have another British English question while I'm on the subject. I've checked severlal online English-to-American "dictionaries," but I can't find "fry-up" ("It's usually just a fry-up for me of an evening," says Aunt Marge in PoA.). I figure it's probably a sip of something alcoholic, but that's as far as my guess goes. Carol, sho forgot to mention that her brother was in Edinburgh for a week last month (too bad he's not a HP fan!) From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Thu Jun 21 06:22:49 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:22:49 -0000 Subject: Fry-uos and More (Was: Re: William of What's it's Razor) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Goddlefrood: > > Not that I'm trying to colour your thinking, but there you > > have it. May it find favour with you ;-) > Carol: > Ah, sir, you are so kind. That's "favor" for us Americans, > though, thanks to Noah Webster. I thought that "Occam" > was pronounced "OCK sum," so I'm not sure they're phonetically > the same, not to mention that British English isn't phonetic, > anyway--witness Worcestershire and similar place names. > I have another British English question while I'm on the > subject. I've checked severlal online English-to- > American "dictionaries," but I can't find "fry-up" > ("It's usually just a fry-up for me of an evening," > says Aunt Marge in PoA.). I figure it's probably a > sip of something alcoholic, but that's as far as my > guess goes. Goddlefrood: Would that it were a tipple, then perhaps the UK would not top the world heart attack league on such a regular basis. A fry-up is bacon, eggs, mushromms, black pudding (if that's your thing, as it is mine), bread perhaps and whatever else may be to one's taste all fried in butter or lard for preference again. One of the world's more unhealthy dishes, no doubt. It's little wonder Aunt Marge is described as rotund. Of course the perfect accompaniment to all that would be some Worcestershire sauce or possibly Houses of Parliament Sauce. Quite a treat let me tell you. I've always pronounced Occam "Ock - um", but I claim no expertise there. Aunt Marge may, naturally, also enjoy a tipple after her fry-up. Goddlefrood, who was always amused by being asked the way to Leicester Square in London by our transatlantic visitors and once lived proximate to Bicester. From jnferr at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 12:39:03 2007 From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:39:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: William of What's it's Razor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ee758b40706210539q5f3a0a3cy927707b1c1e15a4e@mail.gmail.com> > > Carol: > Ah, sir, you are so kind. That's "favor" for us Americans, though, > thanks to Noah Webster. But thank you; your response is roughly what I > thought was the case, only until I first saw the spelling "ockham," I > thought that "Occam" was pronounced "OCK sum," so I'm not sure they're > phonetically the same, not to mention that British English isn't > phonetic, anyway--witness Worcestershire and similar place names. > (Neither is American English, but I don't know of any such drastic > examples.) > > I have another British English question while I'm on the subject. I've > checked severlal online English-to-American "dictionaries," but I > can't find "fry-up" ("It's usually just a fry-up for me of an > evening," says Aunt Marge in PoA.). I figure it's probably a sip of > something alcoholic, but that's as far as my guess goes. montims: firstly - Occam IS pronounced Ockam, and no other way, to the best of my knowledge. I don't understand the problem with Worcestershire - it's self-evidently Wooster, but ah well... ;) Secondly - a fry-up is as it sounds - lots of things fried together in one pan. It could be just (English) bacon and eggs, but will probably have all sorts of other things in it as well - sausages, black pudding, tomatoes, mushrooms, potatoes, maybe fried bread (my favourite...). It could also contain liver or kidneys, depending on preference, but that would be rare... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jun 21 14:35:00 2007 From: orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk (or.phan_ann) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:35:00 -0000 Subject: William of What's it's Razor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > > >Carol: > > > > > I've recently been enjoying the Occam's/Ockham's razor > > >thread on the main list and started wondering about the > > >variant spellings. I've always spelled it "Occam's," and > > >Merriam-Webster Online gives "Occam's" as the main entry > > >with "Ockham's" as an alternate spelling, but the placename > > >is spelled "Ockham," and William himself is generally called > > > William of Ockham, AFAIK. > > > > > Does any one know whether one spelling is more correct than > > >the other? Maybe "Occam" is an Americanism? (I don't suppose > > >Noah Webster "improved" that spelling as he did by dropping > > >the "u" in such words as "colour" and "behaviour." Or did he?) > > > > Goddlefrood: > > > > It's a simple case of long usage. Ockham was the original, but > > because phonetically it is the same as Occam and because our > > forebears on both sides of the Atlantic were quite loose about > > spelling the convention has now become Occam. > > > > Other than in one post at main I've never seen it spelt Ockham, > > although strictly that would be correct as it was William of > > Ockham who devised the concept. > > Carol: > Ah, sir, you are so kind. That's "favor" for us Americans, though, > thanks to Noah Webster. But thank you; your response is roughly > what I thought was the case, only until I first saw the > spelling "ockham," I thought that "Occam" was pronounced "OCK sum," > so I'm not sure they're phonetically the same, not to mention that > British English isn't phonetic, anyway--witness Worcestershire and > similar place names. (Neither is American English, but I don't know > of any such drastic examples.) Ann: Oh dear, sorry to be so confusing. It's *my* understanding that because in Brother William's* day spelling was still variable, both Occam and Ockham are used to refer to the same man and village. (I wonder what other spelling there were, back in the days? "Oakum" doesn't seem to be related, though.) As he was a scholastic (another HP reference) this would be the thirteenth or fourteenth century. Personally, I typed "Ockham" automatically; if I'd known "Occam" was the standard, I would have written that. I'm glad you've been enjoying "my" thread from Theory Bay. Do come and join us some time. The water is lovely at this time of year! Ann *The reference to "Fr. William" on the Razor's case is short for "frater", Latin for "brother", and not "father"; William was a friar, not a priest. From darksworld at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 03:48:33 2007 From: darksworld at yahoo.com (Charles Walker Jr) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:48:33 -0000 Subject: The fantasy casting thread- a different take. Message-ID: Okay, so I'm enjoying seeing how everyone sees the characters when they are reading the books. But somewhere in the back of my head, a kind of warped take on the whole idea of fantasy casting has developed, most likely from the suggestion of W.C. Fields as Slughorn (he really would be perfect). Rather than fantasy casting perfectly how you see the character, who could bring a touch of comedy/parody to the role without even necessarily changing the lines? I see Bill Murray's greenskeeper from Caddyshack as Argus Filch. He could have an audience rolling out of their seat quickly. Dan Akroyd's assassin from Caddyshack 2 would be perfect (other than height) as Pettigrew. The Incomparable Groucho Marx as Dumbledore. Okay, he couldn't greasepaint a beard on like he did with the famous mustache, but I would love to hear him do the "a few words" bit. Actually, if one were to go the whole way into parody rather than just actors who can give a comedic twist, get Chico as Hagrid and Harpo as Filch. Charles, who really would like to see the interaction between Bill Murray's greenskeeper as Filch and Mrs. Norris. From mskela at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 22:33:53 2007 From: mskela at yahoo.com (Kela Hildebrand) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:33:53 -0000 Subject: looking for H.P. Merch- fabric, sheet sets, shirts in stores- ideas where at? Message-ID: Hi, my son and I were looking for fabric/material to make pjs and stuff out of but are unable to locate any in the fabric shops. Anyone know which stores are allowed to carry Harry Potter items this time around? Unable to find t-shirts and sheet sets either. I don't get it, usually there are several stores that have this type of stuff so you can actually look at it and not be at the mercy of people on ebay or other e-stores. My 9 year old is getting a bit frustrated since he wants to re-do his room and we just aren't finding stuff. So, I was hoping another fan/parent would happen to know anything, the official Warener-Bros site doesn't have much, tried that....any ideas are appreciated. Thanks! ~Kela From poppytheelf at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 01:17:17 2007 From: poppytheelf at hotmail.com (Phyllis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:17:17 -0000 Subject: You Have Been Summoned: Accio Reprise in Oxford, England 25-27 July 2008! Message-ID: Accio UK is pleased to announce that the next Accio event will be held from 25 to 27 July 2008. Accio 2008 will bring together academics and adult fans to discuss the Harry Potter series in the Hogwarts-like setting of the University of Oxford. The conference will be held at the beautiful Magdalen College, which boasts such alumni as C.S. Lewis and Oscar Wilde. Accio 2008 seeks to enhance the appreciation of J.K. Rowling's novels as works of literature in her home country. Paper presentations, roundtables, moderated panels, debates and workshops will evoke a lively, interesting and thoughtful discussion on the changes the Harry Potter novels have already made to our world, and on the potential for the novels to have a lasting influence. The conference will feature guest speakers, formal programming sessions and informal opportunities for delegates to get to know one another and the city of Oxford. A banquet will be held in Magdalen College's magnificent Dining Hall on the evening of Saturday 26 July. The Programming Committee is currently accepting presentation proposals. Accio 2008's Call for Papers may be viewed here: http://www.accio.org.uk/callforpapers.shtml . We will send out another announcement in the near future to let you know when the registration system opens. For more information, please visit http://www.accio.org.uk/ . You have been summoned! The Accio 2008 conference is an unofficial event and is not endorsed, sanctioned or in any other way supported, directly or indirectly, by Warner Bros. Entertainment, the Harry Potter book publishers, or J.K. Rowling and her representatives. From jeopardy18 at comcast.net Sat Jun 23 03:07:29 2007 From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:07:29 -0000 Subject: Moderated list Message-ID: Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list on the main site? From bunniqula at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 05:45:16 2007 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:45:16 -0400 Subject: HP Book 7 for "$12.99", after $5 GC @ Amazon.com Message-ID: <1a2738400706222245i2ab95475ifb48002bbcedc80d@mail.gmail.com> Just saw this as a heads-up. If you have an Amazon.com Visa, don't forget to use it for extra bonus points. And to emphasize, if you're already pre-ordered with Amazon.com, this applies to everyone who preordered/preorders with Amazon. 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Promotional certificate expires on Friday, August 31, 2007, 11:59 PM. ]] From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 07:53:04 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:53:04 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "seanmulligan2000" wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list > on the main site? > bboyminn: Probably depends on why you are on the Mod List. If you just joined, you simply have to wait. There is a period at the beginning during which ALL new members are moderated. After a fixed period of time, you are automatically taken off. If you've been a bad boy, then you are probably back on the Mod List for a fixed period of time (you should have received an email given you details), during which you must show the Mods that you have seen the error of your ways. Either way, in time, you are just automatically off. Steve/bboyminn From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 08:20:04 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:20:04 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- "seanmulligan2000" wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list > > on the main site? > bboyminn: > If you just joined, you simply have to wait. There is > a period at the beginning during which ALL new members > are moderated. After a fixed period of time, you are > automatically taken off. Goddlefrood: That's nearly right, but not quite. Members need to show that they are fully familiar with the posting rules of the group before they are taken off moderation. That means that members must properly snip (cut down) quoted material from any responding posts, sign or attribute their own comments and various other bits and pieces. Those include *not* using so called netspeak and some other items. The full rules are available at: http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/PostingRules25Mar07.html If formatting remains a little mysterious there is also a formatting tutorial at the main site. You can find by going here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin_Files/HPfGU_Fo rmatting_Tutorial.html Paste all that in your browser and it will work. You may be asked at some point to sign in to Yahoo Groups, even if you are already signed in. Goddlefrood, who took longer than he expected to get off moderation :-) From wuff at internode.on.net Sat Jun 23 09:31:24 2007 From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:31:24 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Moderated list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <467CE86C.1060606@internode.on.net> > That's nearly right, but not quite. Members need to show that > they are fully familiar with the posting rules of the group > before they are taken off moderation. That means that members > must properly snip (cut down) quoted material from any > responding posts, sign or attribute their own comments and > various other bits and pieces. Those include *not* using > so called netspeak and some other items. The full rules are > available at: I can't believe you made that [no netspeak/sms talk] part of the rules. Congratulations, I can't stand it. While it might be ok on a mobile phone with a limited keyboard, it simply amounts to lazy keyboard habits when the offender has a fully featured computer keyboard on their desk. But you do also have a point when it comes to those from another country. It can be very difficult to learn the standard language, let alone all the local slang. I hope other groups take this rule up too. -- Wolfie! Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife. Kookaburra Pub Owner at Eragon. Chief Lupine Security officer at ABC ICQ - 3449014 Skype - Wolfie_storr * Eats a kid a day * Made in Eragon Wolfie! (c) PWTS 1986 - 2007 From legrinstl at charter.net Sat Jun 23 14:37:34 2007 From: legrinstl at charter.net (Cindi Gille-Rowley) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:37:34 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c7b5a4$0a2bdfe0$1002a8c0@Gateway> I?ve been on this list for 3 years and never taken off the moderated list. I post infrequently and I don?t know what netspeak is. So, I?m quitting this list. Bye Eleanna _____ From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Goddlefrood Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:20 AM To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Moderated list > --- "seanmulligan2000" wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list > > on the main site? > bboyminn: > If you just joined, you simply have to wait. There is > a period at the beginning during which ALL new members > are moderated. After a fixed period of time, you are > automatically taken off. Goddlefrood: That's nearly right, but not quite. Members need to show that they are fully familiar with the posting rules of the group before they are taken off moderation. That means that members must properly snip (cut down) quoted material from any responding posts, sign or attribute their own comments and various other bits and pieces. Those include *not* using so called netspeak and some other items. The full rules are available at: http://www.hpfgu. org.uk/PostingRules25Mar07.html If formatting remains a little mysterious there is also a formatting tutorial at the main site. You can find by going here: http://groups. yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin_Files/HPfGU_Fo rmatting_Tutorial.html Paste all that in your browser and it will work. You may be asked at some point to sign in to Yahoo Groups, even if you are already signed in. Goddlefrood, who took longer than he expected to get off moderation :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From muellem at bc.edu Sat Jun 23 15:28:35 2007 From: muellem at bc.edu (colebiancardi) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:28:35 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: <004e01c7b5a4$0a2bdfe0$1002a8c0@Gateway> Message-ID: Eleanna wrote: > I've been on this list for 3 years and never taken off the moderated list. > > I post infrequently and I don't know what netspeak is. > > > > So, I'm quitting this list. > > > colebiancardi: most likely the reason why you are still on moderation is because you don't post frequently. You could also ask the moderators to take a look at your posts and see if you are eligible for de-modding. Your posts is how the mods know if you understand the rules - for instance, no top-posting is one of the rules and snipping out unnecessary comments from other posters in the same thread is another. before you quit the list in frustration, please email the elves and ask about how to get off of moderation. You never know, you may be demodded quickly :) colebiancardi From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 22:24:50 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:24:50 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "seanmulligan2000" wrote: > Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list on the main > site? zanooda: I remember it took me a month to get off the list. I still don't know if it's supposed to be a set amount of time; I had the idea back then that I needed to send in enough messages to show that I understand the rules and all. So I posted more often than I normally would have done, just to get out of the moderation sooner. I still don't know if my idea was right, or I was sending extra messages for nothing :-). From hpfgu.elves at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 22:29:11 2007 From: hpfgu.elves at gmail.com (hpfgu_elves) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:29:11 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: <004e01c7b5a4$0a2bdfe0$1002a8c0@Gateway> Message-ID: Hi guys, we just wanted to clarify some points about moderation on Main list and here on OTC. 1. Moderated status on Main is only relevant to those who post. If someone doesn't intend to post there, they shouldn't worry about being moderated or not. 2. The reason we require four days of good posting before removing a member from unmoderated status is because we know our posting rules are idiosynchratic and differ in many respects from rules common on other lists, and therefore we want to make sure everyone knows the rules. 3. OTC does not adhere as strictly to the posting rules, which is why we don't count OTC posts toward unmoderated status at Main, and why we don't require four good days of posting to be removed from moderated status there. 4. We may have inadvertently failed to take someone off moderated status at OTC after one post. If you're still moderated and have posted, ask and we'll unmoderate you. Please contact us at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com List Elves From bunniqula at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 23:46:12 2007 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:46:12 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Moderated list In-Reply-To: References: <004e01c7b5a4$0a2bdfe0$1002a8c0@Gateway> Message-ID: <1a2738400706231646q339cb495r7b16fa9e3799f311@mail.gmail.com> On 6/23/07, hpfgu_elves wrote: > 3. OTC does not adhere as strictly to the posting rules, which is > why we don't count OTC posts toward unmoderated status at Main, and > why we don't require four good days of posting to be removed from > moderated > status there. I want hot, juicy burgers! Hot, juicy burgers! For those not familiar, that's from a Wendy's fast food restaurant commercial but the sentiment is there. ;-) I want freedom to speak about anything that's legal... or at least won't close down this list (AKA Ms I Use Dubious Coupons). I don't mind being on some moderated lists, as long as there's also lists where I'm not on moderated. Oh, I got my 2007 computer rig mostly pieced together! w00t! Current cost tally: http://redina.livejournal.com/21181.html $1,344 and I'd like to add another 2gigs of RAM, so that's another $91. I hadn't added in replaced two 120mm case fans ($30) and I'm waiting for the 500gig SATA drives to drop to around $100--they're already at $110. End result, I'm hoping to do a dual boot WinXP SP2 and Mac OSX PC. I could've built a $500 or less PC, but those were the parts I wanted. Dina From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 04:58:34 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:58:34 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Goddlefrood" wrote: > > > --- "seanmulligan2000" wrote: > > > > Does anyone know how I can get off the moderated list > > > on the main site? > > > bboyminn: > > > > If you just joined, you simply have to wait. There is > > a period at the beginning during which ALL new members > > are moderated. After a fixed period of time, you are > > automatically taken off. > > > Goddlefrood: > > That's nearly right, but not quite. Members need to > show that they are fully familiar with the posting rules > of the group before they are taken off moderation. ... bboyminn: Perhaps I'm giving away something I shouldn't, or perhaps the rules have changed, but I always keep a spare Yahoo username in the wings. I've had several usernames disappear from Yahoo, so now I have a back up, if my primary should vanish, I go to the back up, create a new Yahoo username, and subscribe to all the groups. Then I use the back up for 30 days until the new name is dropped from Mod status. Sounds like that won't work any more though. Still, always nice to have a back up. The back up user name has been subscribed for many years now. Steve/bboyminn From predigirl1 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 05:33:47 2007 From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Sopranos' Finale & Deathly Hallows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <682977.79497.qm@web52404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree completly! I have just started watching The Sopranos on A & E and had the ending ruined for me. Well, not that it was really an ending, but you get my drift. I don't see how they are going to stop from spoiling the ending of the most popular book franchise EVER! I'm really suprised that it hasn't been leaked already! Alex Hogan Caius Marcius wrote: Even a non-viewer of the Sopranos (such as myself) could not help but note the way that the spoliers for the final episode were displayed across the media. I'm figuring the media will show a similar lack of restraint for Deathly Hallows - i.e., within 24 hours of the book's release, we'll see front page stories that tell whether Harry lives or dies. Anyone who does not immediately begin reading (and quickly completing) DH is going to be in grave risk of hearing the ultimate spoiler. Once DH is in your hands, keep your computers and TV off, your radio unplugged and leave the daily paper unread until you reach that final "scar" word! - CMC --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sumanisgreat at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 10:36:13 2007 From: sumanisgreat at gmail.com (Suman) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:06:13 +0530 Subject: Fwd: Harry Potter Fiesta! 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I still don't know if my idea was right, or I was sending extra messages for nothing :-). > Carol notes: I seem to recall that I simply had to post five properly formatted messages (back before the five-post limit was in effect). I was off moderated status fairly quickly. (My only problem was posting responses without reading the whole thread and repeating what someone else had already said, but, then, when your posts are held back for a day or so, that's bound to happen. Also, I was told that I didn't snip enough, whereas I thought that others were oversnipping my posts, so I'd repeat something I'd already said.) Anyway, the rules are sensible and make reading and responding to posts easier once you've mastered them. Carol, who appreciates all the hard work that the elfses do and thinks they deserve more appreciation From Mhochberg at aol.com Sun Jun 24 20:51:54 2007 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:51:54 EDT Subject: The Sopranos' Finale & Deathly Hallows Message-ID: Alex writes: Once DH is in your hands, keep your computers and TV off, your radio unplugged and leave the daily paper unread until you reach that final "scar" word! ~~~~~ I write: Absolutely good advice! Earlier this week I caught part of the AFI 100 best movies show and there was a clip from M. Night Shyamalan. He was talking about "The Sixth Sense" and how it came at a good time. Back then, the only people who had seen the movie could tell were their friends and family. Now the ending would be online within minutes of the first showing. ---Mary ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From juli17 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 22:53:32 2007 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:53:32 EDT Subject: DH reading plan Message-ID: I don't want to be spoiled once the book comes out either. I've been worried about going to the release party and someone shouting out a key plot point once the books are in hand. (For HBP release many people were opening their books immediately after they received them and starting to read). I've never had that problem before, but this is the last book, and whether Harry lives or Harry dies is by far the most eagerly anticipated question of all the books. It's so huge I suspect some readers might glance at the end immediately to assauge their fear (or find out it's been realized). I don't know that those people will be able to contain their glee or despair, so I've come up with my own plan to get DH read without being spoiled first. I am going to the release party, but I'm going to leave around 11:30 or so, before the great crush to grab the books begins. Thus I'll avoid all the people who have the book in hand right after midnight. And as I won't have it in hand, I won't be tempted to start reading it through the night. This works best for me, as I plan to read the book in one sitting and I want to be awake and fresh enough to enjoy it. So I'll go back Saturday morning July 21 and get my reserved copy. Then I'll get a cup of coffee and a bagel and start reading. Since I plan to do nothing else the entire day, I'll also put aside some drinks and snacks to tide me over while I'm reading (with only a break or two to stretch and walk the dogs). With no interruptions I expect I'll be done by late afternoon, having read at a solid but unhurried pace, and having done so unspoiled. Then I'll have plenty of time to ruminate on the whole saga and how it all ended for our heroes before the HPfGU lists come back up on Tuesday. (Or I may reread the whole DH book again on Sunday!) So has anyone else devised a plan to read DH? Julie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tonks_op at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 03:52:58 2007 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:52:58 -0000 Subject: looking for H.P. Merch- fabric, sheet sets, shirts in stores- ideas where at? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Kela Hildebrand" wrote: > > Hi, my son and I were looking for fabric/material to make pjs and > stuff out of but are unable to locate any in the fabric shops. Anyone > know which stores are allowed to carry Harry Potter items this time > around? Unable to find t-shirts and sheet sets either. > > I don't get it, usually there are several stores that have this type of stuff so you can actually look at it and not be at the mercy of people on ebay or other e-stores. My 9 year old is getting a bit frustrated since he wants to re-do his room and we just aren't finding stuff. Tonks_op Actually I own a Harry Potter store online. A lot of the manufactures that were around early on have not renewed their license contracts and also WB is doing a lot of exclusive things that cuts the other merchants out. I have not seen any material in the U.S. for a couple of years now. You might write to the WB online store and ask them. We get other things.. hats, robes, wands, and such, but have never sold bedding or drapes. Good luck. Sometimes you can get good things from the U.K. on e-bay. I have got many things on E-bay for my own collection. E-merchants are not all that bad. Most of us don???t even bit. ;-) Tonks_op From kempermentor at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 05:10:56 2007 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper mentor) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OoP movie request Message-ID: <74766.89445.qm@web90412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone have a link for a photo of the Mauraders? I've seen James and Lily but would like to see a shot of James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter. Oh! And of young Severus! Thanks! Kemper ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Mon Jun 25 05:27:39 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:27:39 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DH reading plan Message-ID: Julie: So has anyone else devised a plan to read DH? Sandy responds: I, too, am going to a release party, will be getting my book at midnight, and will be reading the last chapter as I am waiting to pay for it. I just can't stand the suspense and have to know if Harry survives, but I will NOT spoil that information for anyone else. I always work on Saturday but have requested the day off. I will be up all night reading, will catch a few hours of sleep in the morning, and then will go back to reading. I am going to take my time reading it, probably finishing the book just in time for the list to re-open. I zipped right through HBP and found I didn't retain most of it so I am going to take my time with DH. Sandy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From whtwitch91 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 11:26:26 2007 From: whtwitch91 at yahoo.com (whtwitch91) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:26:26 -0000 Subject: DH Reading plan Message-ID: I am really scared of spoilers and when the director of my library asked if anyone wanted to open at 12:01am I jumped at the chance to throw a party. We are raffling off the chance to read the library's copies and I plan to tie the books shut. Everyone has to sign a form that they won't open the book until they leave the library's parking lot. We are having games, contests and food, but because I have been doing this for years I know that before 1am the event will be over and I can throw everyone out. Then I will drive home, sleep about four hours and then start to read. This way I am protected from spoilers, have a short drive ( I'm five minutes from the library, Borders is about 40 minutes), and have the best party. I know our decorations are better, we won't have huge lines, and I think I can keep everyone honest. We aren't professional, but we know how to throw a good party. If I read the book all day Saturday I can finiah it. Hopefully, nothing major wlll come up. Sunday morning I will probably reread favorite passages - there are always favorite passages - and by Sunday afternoon I can make British food, beef roast, Yorkshire pudding, treacle tart (Harry's favorite dessert). I know I'll be sad. It's the last book, and there will never be anything fresh from Jo again. But the mystery will finally be solved, so we can find comfort in that, and the characters can live on in our imaginations. We won't have the spark of Jo Rowling, but the characters will always be alive in our minds. (I'm sure she won't kill off Harry.) Is anyone else planning to do somehting special after they read the book? From hpfgu.elves at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 12:09:38 2007 From: hpfgu.elves at gmail.com (hpfgu_elves) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:09:38 -0000 Subject: ADMIN - Main List Closure for DH Release Message-ID: The Last Canon Theory Bay lay, dark and silent, under the waxing moon. Grand vessels, sails furled for night, rode at anchor near barges, rowboats, skiffs, catamarans, and some dodgy craft which, by all the laws of nature, should not have stayed afloat. They were oblivious to the huge gates made of spiked tree trunks which dominated the scene. Occasionally, a thunderous quake would shake the gates, sending shock waves across the water. List elves began to wander out of the George and gathered in a knot below the gates. "One more month." "One more month!" "Give or take!", piped up Phlytie Elf. The murmur swept the crowd. The gates shuddered in response as the Last Canon trembled impatiently behind them. Elfy heads turned involuntarily to the assortment of craft at anchor, wondering which would still be afloat after the Last Canon's barrage. Zaney Elf hurried importantly out of the tavern shuffling sheets of parchment in her hands. "All right, elfses, listen up!" The other elves, unused to such human forms of address, shuffled uncomfortably in their cleanly-pressed tea towels and cozies. "There is just one more month before the Last Canon is released." The gates shuddered again at Zaney's pronouncement. Several elves moved away from the gate, leaving fellow elves, who had been farther away, closer to the threatening spires. "In respect for the release of the Last Canon, not to mention concern for elfy ears, the Harry Potter for Grown-Ups list will be closed for postings, beginning at midnight, the morning of the 21st of July, British Summer Time. Members can access the list to read, but may not post, until..." The elves strained to hear the announcement they had all been waiting for. Zaney shuffled her papers and squinted at the spidery writing, nearly invisible in the half-moon's light. Shorty Elf, wanting to be helpful, brought a lantern from the doorpost of the George so Zaney could read. "Thankee," Zaney said. "Shorty's pleasure," Shorty replied. Zaney drew a pair of half-moon spectacles from her tea towel and propped them on her nose. Provided with light, and with clear vision, she continued. "The list will be closed from midnight, the morning of July 21st, until Tuesday, July 24th, 9 p.m. British Summer Time." The elves hopped up and down excitedly. A time had been set! Duties would now be assigned... "Not all list members, or elves for that matter, live in British Summer Time." Marvin Elf whipped out his trusty lunar calculator, his elfy fingers flying over its buttons. "The moon will be just past its quarter phase. That means that members and elves will again have posting access to the board at..." Brussels and Much of Western Europe Time - 10 p. m. Eastern Standard Time - 4 p. m. Central Time: 3 p. m. Mountain Time - 2 p. m. Pacific Time - 1 p. m. Wednesday 25th: India - 1.30 a. m. Australia West - 4 a. m. Australia East - 6 a. m. Fiji - 8 a. m. The list elves would like to request... Main List Spoiler Policy: The present spoiler policy will be lifted on the main HPFGU list when it reopens to posting. Based on our experience with past releases, every post will have DH spoilers, so there will be no reason for anyone who has not yet read the book to visit the list. The policy will be clearly stated on the home page as RAYOR - Read At Your Own Risk. Members who want to talk about their reading, without mentioning spoilers: OT-Chatter. This list will be designated as a spoiler-free zone, for the benefit of members of our community who will not have immediate access to DH. Any post to this list containing DH spoilers will be deleted and the poster will be placed on moderated status. We mean it! For those of you that can't wait to begin discussing DH: The HPFGU chat room will be open throughout the list closure period. If you enter the chat room and find no one there, we suggest that you post to OT-Chatter inviting others to join you. Chat can be found here: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 If you want to discuss the list closing, spoilers or anything else, please email us at hpforgrownups-owner@ yahoogroups.com or bring it up over at Feedback: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Feedback/ The List Elves: Alla -- Alika Elf -- dumbledore11214@ yahoo.com Amanar -- Drivey Elf -- naama2486@ yahoo.com Amanda -- Amandageist -- editor@ texas.net Betsy Hp -- Oopsie Elf -- horridporrid03@ yahoo.com Ceridwen -- Vexxy Elf -- ceridwennight@ hotmail.com Colebiancardi -- Cardi Elf -- muellem@ bc.edu Dan -- Kranky Elf -- darkthirty@ shaw.ca Debbie -- Speedy Elf -- elfundeb@ comcast.net Goddlefrood -- Marvin Elf -- gav_fiji@ yahoo.com Geoff -- Exmoor Elf -- gbannister10@ tiscali.co.uk Jen -- Ari Elf -- stevejjen@ earthlink.net Kathy -- Zaney Elf -- zanelupin@ yahoo.com Kelley -- Kelley Elf -- kelley_thompson@ sbcglobal.net Kemper -- Twisp Elf -- kempermentor@ yahoo.com Laura -- Wilder Elf -- lhuntley@ fandm.edu Magpie -- Corbie Elf -- belviso@ attglobal.net Mary Ann -- Dizzy Elf -- marycloudt@ yahoo.ca Mike -- Phlytie Elf -- mcrudele78@ yahoo.com Petra -- Penapart Elf -- PenapartElf@ aol.com Pippin -- Peppy Elf -- foxmoth@ qnet.com Rebecca -- Bex Elf -- dontask2much@ yahoo.com Shaun -- Crikey Elf -- drednort@ alphalink.com.au Sherry -- Blinky Elf -- sherriola@ earthlink.net Sheryll -- Rylly Elf -- s_ings@ yahoo.com SSSusan -- Shorty Elf -- susiequsie23@ sbcglobal.net Tim -- Kroppy Elf -- timregan@ microsoft.com Zara -- Zippy Elf -- zgirnius@ yahoo.com Heidi -- HPEF Liaison and Unspeakable -- heidi@ fictionalley.org Paul -- TechnoGeist Steve -- Keeper of the Lexicon From chnc1024 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 15:08:14 2007 From: chnc1024 at yahoo.com (Chancie Parmley) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! Message-ID: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chancie: Just recived my WOMBAT result I got Acceptable. Not as impressive as the Outstanding I got on WOMBAT 1, (I was in the prosses of moving durring test 2, so I was unable to take it) but at least it's a pass! I would be very interested to see if those of you who got a higher or lower grade have different wording on your certificate. Mine says: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WOMBAT Grade 3 (Wizards' Ordinary Magic and Basic Aptitude Test) ______________________________________________ This is to certify that you have passed WOMBAT Grade 3 and have been awarded the classification of Acceptable ______________________________________________ You have passed the final and most difficult WOMBAT and are to be highly commended. Many of your fellow candidates were less fortunate. Your new qualification will stand you in good stead should you wish to join any of our more prestigous wizarding firms. Flourish & Blotts, the Nimbus Broom Company and Weasley's Wizarding Wheezes are all currently recruting and would be delighted to recieve an application owl. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chancie again: There is JK's signature as well as a few other things at the bottom that I was unable to read very well. One was something about who was responsible for grading, but the rest I was unable to read. Can any of you? --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From maritajan at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 15:35:08 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <403531.11689.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I GOT AN OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On the first one, I got Acceptable, Exceeds Expecations on the second and now an OUTSTANDING!!! I am so pysched!!!!!!! I'm going to copy that to a .jpg file. Yea for me!! Yea for me!! Chancie Parmley wrote: Chancie: Just recived my WOMBAT result I got Acceptable. Not as impressive as the Outstanding I got on WOMBAT 1, (I was in the prosses of moving durring test 2, so I was unable to take it) but at least it's a pass! I would be very interested to see if those of you who got a higher or lower grade have different wording on your certificate. Mine says: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WOMBAT Grade 3 (Wizards' Ordinary Magic and Basic Aptitude Test) ______________________________________________ This is to certify that you have passed WOMBAT Grade 3 and have been awarded the classification of Acceptable ______________________________________________ You have passed the final and most difficult WOMBAT and are to be highly commended. Many of your fellow candidates were less fortunate. Your new qualification will stand you in good stead should you wish to join any of our more prestigous wizarding firms. Flourish & Blotts, the Nimbus Broom Company and Weasley's Wizarding Wheezes are all currently recruting and would be delighted to recieve an application owl. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chancie again: There is JK's signature as well as a few other things at the bottom that I was unable to read very well. One was something about who was responsible for grading, but the rest I was unable to read. Can any of you? --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/maritajan --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From marty.larson at verizon.net Mon Jun 25 15:43:17 2007 From: marty.larson at verizon.net (Marty) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:43:17 -0000 Subject: Wombat Results Message-ID: I received an Exceeds Expectations on W.O.M.B.A.T. 3. I was pleasantly surprised. I did have on Outstanding on 1 and missed 2. The wording on the bottom of the certificate is different. It says This excellent result proves you to be a witch or wizard of considerable learning. You have proven yourself to be part of the academic elite, and the Wizarding Examinations Authority was most impressed by your paper. The Ministy of Magic is always on the lookout for accomplished recruits such as yourself and would welcome your application owl. Very well done indeed! Marty From orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk Mon Jun 25 17:49:04 2007 From: orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk (or.phan_ann) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:49:04 -0000 Subject: Moderated list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > Carol, who appreciates all the hard work that the elfses do and > thinks they deserve more appreciation Ann: Yes. Of course being an elf is mostly "backstage" work, so folk wouldn't notice it so much... but they do a great job, they really do. Thank you, elfs! We will never hand you socks! (I know I thanked Jen, aka Ari Elf, in my last post, but I really appreciated such a nice answer to a stupid question.) Incidentally, I've been a member for just over two months and I've only just been taken off moderation. I posted messages that weren't altered by elves on more than four days, so I'm not sure what the "four days of good posting" rule refers to, as seen in Message 32298 from the elves: > we require four days of good posting before removing a > member from unmoderated status I don't mind being on moderated status to begin with, though. Ann From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 18:20:31 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:20:31 -0000 Subject: Moderated list/ Four days of good posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ann: > Yes. Of course being an elf is mostly "backstage" work, so folk > wouldn't notice it so much... but they do a great job, they really do. > Thank you, elfs! We will never hand you socks! (I know I thanked Jen, > aka Ari Elf, in my last post, but I really appreciated such a nice > answer to a stupid question.) > > Incidentally, I've been a member for just over two months and I've > only just been taken off moderation. I posted messages that weren't > altered by elves on more than four days, so I'm not sure what the > "four days of good posting" rule refers to, as seen in Message 32298 > from the elves: > > > we require four days of good posting before removing a > > member from unmoderated status Thanks guys :) Kind words are always appreciated. Four days of good posting means just that - theoretically and we **do** strive that to be so, we really do, if you post during four days (not four posts during one day - it should be four days of posts) and we do not make any changes in your posts, you should be taken off moderation. The reason why it sometimes takes longer is because we are all volunteers, have other responsibilities - jobs, families and we do not always check the database of good posting every day. As I said, we are really trying though :) Alika Elf. From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Mon Jun 25 19:59:00 2007 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:59:00 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chancie wrote: > > Just recived my WOMBAT result I got Acceptable. Not as impressive as the Outstanding I got on WOMBAT 1, (I was in the prosses of moving durring test 2, so I was unable to take it) but at least it's a pass! I would be very interested to see if those of you who got a higher or lower grade have different wording on your certificate. Anne Squires: I got an Exceeds Expectations. Whoot! It certainly exceeded my expectations; I didn't think I had passed. The questions, imho, were hard. Anne From n2fgc at arrl.net Mon Jun 25 20:46:56 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:46:56 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c7b769$f8047800$66a4a8c0@rosie> Wow! Considering I timed out, I got an "Exceeds Expectations," which is what I got last year. Hoped I would get an outstanding, but....hey, I won't complain. Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 03:37:38 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:37:38 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anne Squires: > I got an Exceeds Expectations. Whoot! It certainly exceeded my > expectations; I didn't think I had passed. The questions, imho, were > hard. > > Anne > Alla: Yep, me too :) From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 04:01:21 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:01:21 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Anne Squires: > > I got an Exceeds Expectations. > Alla: > Yep, me too :) Goddlefrood: And me, but then I'd like to know whose expectations were exceeded. I failed to get three Os :-( From tfaucette6387 at charter.net Tue Jun 26 04:58:09 2007 From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:58:09 -0000 Subject: OoP movie request In-Reply-To: <74766.89445.qm@web90412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: wrote: > Anyone have a link for a photo of the Mauraders? I've seen James and Lily but would like to see a shot of James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter. > Oh! And of young Severus! > Thanks! > Kemper Anne Squires: I found these posted @Harry Potter Fan Zone. Young Snape: http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=184&pos=17 Young Marauders: http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=184&pos=18 And also: http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=184&pos=19 I also found these photos of the filming of the Pensieve Scene (Also @ Harry Potter Fan Zone): http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=164 Enjoy, Anne Oh, PS: Do you have a link to the James and Lily photos you referred to? From predigirl1 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 05:35:16 2007 From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] DH reading plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <416403.10015.qm@web52404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, we have a plan. My husband and I trying to sneak the book out of the others hands, yelling "MY TURN!" a lot, and desperatly trying not to tell each other what what we have just read!!! It's a ritual we have perfected over the years of release parties! He falls asleep easier than I, so I'm not planning on sleeping. Alex Hogan (46 year old mom with an HP tat) juli17 at aol.com wrote: So has anyone else devised a plan to read DH? Julie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rklarreich at aol.com Tue Jun 26 05:04:22 2007 From: rklarreich at aol.com (rklarreich) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:04:22 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter films recalled over "movie contamination" Message-ID: Warner Brothers is issuing a voluntary recall of the first four films in the "Harry Potter" series, as a result of studies linking the movies to the disorder known as movie contamination. The immensely popular movies had previously been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for over-the-counter distribution at stores and video rental outlets in DVD form. "Consumers are advised to return their copy for a refund to the store where they bought it," said Warner Brothers spokesperson Ann Ackerman. "If the shrink wrap is still on it, do not remove it." Movie contamination disorder (MCD) is a cognitive disease that affects readers of books that have been adapted into movies, causing them to believe that lines and even entire scenes from the movie versions occur in the books. The Harry Potter movies have been linked to several virulent outbreaks. While many factors influence susceptibility to the disorder, experts say, people who are particular fans have been shown to be more prone both to contracting the disorder and to developing severe cases. "If you've read the books a couple of times and checked out the movie versions when they were in theaters, then forgot all about them, you probably don't have anything to worry about," said Carl Blomstedt, a professor of neurology in private practice in Oakland, California, who has treated many patients suffering from MCD. "Those at greatest risk are the ones who read the books over and over again, follow up on every bit of news about them, and join online discussion groups." Blomstedt noted that while rereading the books many times confers some immunity against the disorder, "these same people are the ones most likely to watch the movies repeatedly, and that is where the danger comes in." No medication is recommended for treating MCD, which is usually curable by intensive home therapy, consisting of frequent and attentive rereadings of the books. Some watchdog groups are asking why it took so long for Warner Brothers to acknowledge the problem. "MCD has been documented on the internet since the first movie was released" in 2001, said Julie Grant, executive director of Hogwarts Booklist, a grassroots organization that has long been campaigning for the primacy of the Harry Potter books over their film adaptations. "How many times do people have to post online about the scene in the book where Hagrid mistakes Dudley for Harry before we realize there's a problem?" she asked, referring to an incident in the film "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" that does not occur in the book. "This is a clear case of the FDA putting special interests over public health." Warner Brothers has been "working overtime" to ensure that "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix," the fifth movie in the series, due for release in movie theaters in the United States on July 11, is free of contamination. "We are confident that we have put together a safe and wholesome product that parents, children, and die-hard fans alike can enjoy without worry," said Ackerman. This recall does not affect Harry Potter video games or memorabilia, none of which have been linked to MCD or other nervous disorders. Roberta, who is sure it's not necessary to tell you that this is a spoof and that all names are made up but is doing it anyway just to make sure nobody tries to return their copies of the movies From orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jun 26 10:17:06 2007 From: orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk (or.phan_ann) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:17:06 -0000 Subject: Four days of good posting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > Four days of good > posting means just that - theoretically and we **do** strive that to > be so, we really do, if you post during four days (not four posts > during one day - it should be four days of posts) and we do not make > any changes in your posts, you should be taken off moderation. > > The reason why it sometimes takes longer is because we are all > volunteers, have other responsibilities - jobs, families and we do > not always check the database of good posting every day. Ann: Ah, probably my fault then, as I didn't post very frequently. I should have worked out that it would be something like that. Also, Goddlefrood - what's the news on 1692? I didn't take the WOMBAT, but people seem to be implying that they haven't got specific marks, just grades. Ann From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Jun 26 11:27:28 2007 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:27:28 -0000 Subject: Simpsons and Re: DH reading plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: Did anyone catch this week's Simpsons? There was a spoof of the HP series. "Oh, is this the fantasy book for kids that grown ups like?" The old wizard dies and Homer is upset. (Lisa takes it in stride, much like in my house.) My son and I are chatting about how many jokes refer to HP and my poor, shocked husband exclaims, "Dumbledore dies!?" We spared him the details. Plan: I learned my lesson with OoP...I have to lay in a good supply of easily prepared food, and make a casserole or two so that my family won't starve. Then I find a comfortable place and start reading. Only this time, I have to travel with kids that week and we'll get back home on Friday night. The family may have to fend for themselves. I'm considering returning home on Saturday, letting my teenager drive...but I'm not sure if that means I won't notice his driving infractions or worse, I wouldn't be able to concentrate on the book. Kathy From jamiesonwolf at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 12:07:15 2007 From: jamiesonwolf at gmail.com (Jamieson Villeneuve) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:07:15 -0400 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! Message-ID: <5cb2ac630706260507n5529e228v36db88c4f0011252@mail.gmail.com> And how thrilled am I to get an Acceptable?! This is to certify that you have passed WOMBAT Grade 3 and have been awarded the classification of Acceptable WOOOHOOO! I was so happy to pass this WOMBAT! It was a hard test, or was it just me who found it difficult? LOL That means I've passed all three with Exceeds Expectations, Acceptable and Acceptable! I have the first two framed and hung in my office (yep, I'm a dork! LOL) and now I have to get a frame for the third one. But what an awesome way to start the day, non? WOOHOO! Jamieson -- Jamieson Wolf, Author of The Ghost Mirror and Hunted THE GHOST MIRROR: http://www.theghostmirror.blogspot.com HUNTED: http://www.huntedanovel.homestead.com Visit: www.jamiesonwolf.com "The Wolf never sleeps..." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zanelupin at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 12:53:34 2007 From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:53:34 -0000 Subject: Simpsons and Re: DH reading plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > Did anyone catch this week's Simpsons? There was a spoof of the HP > series. "Oh, is this the fantasy book for kids that grown ups like?" > The old wizard dies and Homer is upset. (Lisa takes it in stride, > much like in my house.) My son and I are chatting about how many > jokes refer to HP and my poor, shocked husband exclaims, "Dumbledore > dies!?" We spared him the details. KathyK: Hee, that would be the episode where Homer says, "No man should outlive his fictional wizard," right? My friend's mother had a visitor the other day who commented on the copy of OoP she saw lying in the house. Friend's mom told her she was reading the books for the first time. The woman must not listen very well because the next words out of her mouth had to do with Dumbledore dying in HBP. Friend's mom was Not Happy. This same friend also spilled the beans about Sirius dying in OoP to two different people before they'd finished reading the book. It makes me very happy I am driven to get my books at midnight and have no contact with anyone until I've finished the book later in the day. My plan for DH is to do just that. I will get my book at around midnight, maybe hang around with my friends a bit before digging in for the long read. I will have food and beverages on hand, of course. I took that Saturday off from work. Actually, I took off the entire week. But I promise it's not just for HP. Jasper Fforde is making appearances in NYC and I'm going to a They Might Be Giants show. Also, I just really need a break from work. :) KathyK From briggielockyer at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 13:30:38 2007 From: briggielockyer at yahoo.com (briggielockyer) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:30:38 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Chancie Parmley wrote: > > Chancie: > > Just recived my WOMBAT result I got Acceptable. Not as impressive as the Outstanding I got on WOMBAT 1, (I was in the prosses of moving durring test 2, so I was unable to take it) but at least it's a pass! I would be very interested to see if those of you who got a higher or lower grade have different wording on your certificate. >snip Brigitte now: I received an Outstanding! I am surprised, since I really believed I would get a Dreadful. My certificate says, "You are a witch or wizard of extraordinary flair and sagacity. Very few candidates achieve 'Outstanding' at Grade 3 W.O.M.B.A.T. Have you ever considered a teaching post at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry? Application owls from such highly qualified candidates are always welcome. Heartiest congratulations!" From kempermentor at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 14:55:53 2007 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:55:53 -0000 Subject: OoP movie request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > wrote: > > > Anyone have a link for a photo of the Mauraders? I've seen James > and Lily but would like to see a shot of James, Sirius, Remus, and > Peter. > Anne Squires: > > I found these posted @Harry Potter Fan Zone. > ... snip links ... > Oh, PS: Do you have a link to the James and Lily photos you referred to? Kemper: Thanks Anne (and Gavin who off-listed me). Here's James: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/162144 Here's Lily: http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/162142 Combine them and you have a still from the movie. Kemper From bunniqula at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 15:59:40 2007 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:59:40 -0400 Subject: Folk in Europe and America: punctuation in quotations? Message-ID: <1a2738400706260859y3339a1bfhb8c685341d7bc52b@mail.gmail.com> As a follow-up to the whole 'make your post legible' bit, I'm noticing a trend in fanfic where writers aren't including 'concluding' punctuation like a comma or period. I've seen exclamation and question marks, but the commas and periods are disappearing. This tendency is more prevalent among European fans, including the UK. For example, a UK fanfic writer, Annie: [[ "Hey" Jensen opened one eye and grabbed the hand stroking his face "You are looking better" ]] It's not just her; I'm encountering this among a variety of writers. She uses periods and commas elsewhere but not in quotations. I know grammar differs in various countries and America may have its own 'bastardized' version of English, but I thought, at least, the UK didn't completely drop commas and periods in their quotes? Is this trait something new or something older? I was in high school during the early to mid 90s and that was the last of my formal education (college dropout). I'm asking because I proofread over fics--you could say I'm a 'fic intake' person for a site, which is ironic considered I nearly failed grammar in school--and I do begin to wonder about these things. It's possible to say humans are lemmings by nature: we're taught to follow by example. So, if readers see writers drop punctuation and then they become writers, it's likely some of them will pick up that habit as well. Dina From sistermagpie at earthlink.net Tue Jun 26 16:00:29 2007 From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:00:29 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! In-Reply-To: <412516.25470.qm@web55701.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Weee! It's ridiculous how nervous I am when I get the results. For all three I now have Exceeds Expectations for Level One, and then Outstanding for both Level 2 and 3. Woo-hoo! -m From kempermentor at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 16:08:29 2007 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:08:29 -0000 Subject: DH reading plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Julie: > So has anyone else devised a plan to read DH? Kemper: I will be wearing my 'There is no good and evil, only Snape' shirt as I wait in line (the wife and I were first for HBP though we sat near a socially retarded kid... I also tried starting a dialogue with some older teens a bit further in line, but their ideas were unrefined to say the least.) I will be bring a book, 'world war z', this time rather than attempt an intellectually stimulating conversation... and maybe tote along a cooler with mango necter and tequilla. Mmmm... yum. Planning for the witching hour readathon, I will attempt to sleep in, though I imagine I will be too excited to sleep past 7, 8 if I'm lucky. My computer will be turned off at midnight BST. I won't answer phone calls from my brother, who is also a fan but is sometimes a dick and it would not surprise me if he gave some spoilers. In fact, I won't talk to him until I'm done reading. I'm a slow reader, so will need to sleep. A few hours at a time. Water, coffee, bangers and a daily vitamin will sustain me. Whatever happens, I will cry, yet still make the tears look bad-ass as they pour down over cheeks and chin. I will write my thoughts down when I'm done. Maybe get on a chat with other geeks (you know who you are) to discuss the book. Maybe call the brother and other fan friends. I will sleep a little longer... then back to work. Boo!!! Then to the Q, to read what I hope to be well thought out, appropriately snipped and attributed posts ::fingers crossed:: Kemper From maritajan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 16:27:28 2007 From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:27:28 -0000 Subject: DH reading plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" wrote: > > > Julie: > > So has anyone else devised a plan to read DH? > I will be at Barnes & Noble before the doors open and nest there the entire day. For HBP, other readers didn't start showing up until about 5:00 pm, the lightweights. :-) Depending on whether or not I've finished the re-read of all the books, I'll either bring HBP with me to finish that day or the backlog of daily digests from the Main group to read while I wait. I'm also bringing headphones, lest some moron spoil my book with revelations I'm doing my damndest to avoid. Once I get my book, I'll read the first chapter in the car, then start reading again once I get home. I'll read until I fall asleep, wake up and finish it. Then, I'll turn back to page one and start all over. I had a t-shirt made, too. :-) On the front, it says I [heart] Snape. On the back, "I trust Severus Snape completely." (APWBD) (And if anyone is in the Nashville, TN area, you're welcome to join me on my day-long adventure!) MJ From rkelley at blazingisp.net Tue Jun 26 17:01:14 2007 From: rkelley at blazingisp.net (Rick & LeAnn Kelley) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: WOMBAT RESULTS ARE IN!!! Message-ID: <004601c7b813$9ce7e100$d80ff504@yourat5qgaac3z> I got an Exceeds Expectations. Mine reads, "This excellent result proves you to be a witch or wizard of considerable learning. You have proven yourself to be part of the academic elite, and the Wizarding Examinations Authority was most impressed by your paper. The Ministry of Magic is always on the lookout for accomplished recruits such as yourself and would welcome your application owl. Very well done, indeed!" OMG, I'm following in Percy's footsteps!!! Anders From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 18:44:43 2007 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lois McMaster Bujold on tour Message-ID: <231820.12488.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Lois McMaster Bujold is touring to promote her latest book "Legacy" The Sharing Knife Volume Two. I'll be going to see her speak with my friend who turned me on to her books. If you are a fan of hers (and IIRC there are a few here?), I hope she's coming to a city near you! See http://dendarii.com/news/07May.html for more details: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 06:00 PM - 08:00 PM UNCLE HUGO'S, 2864 Chicago Avenue, S Minneapolis, MN 55407 Wednesday, June 27, 2007 07:00 PM UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE, 4326 University Way, NE Seattle, WA 98105 Thursday, June 28, 2007 07:00 PM POWELL'S BOOKSTORE, 3415 SW Cedar Hills Blvd, Beaverton, OR 97005 Friday, June 29, 2007 07:30 PM BOOKS INC. Books Inc. 301 Castro St, Mountain View, CA 94041-1205 Saturday, June 30, 2007 07:00 PM BOOKSMITH, 1644 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 Monday, July 02, 2007 07:00 PM ANDERSON'S BOOKS, 123 W Jefferson Ave, Naperville, IL 60540 Saturday, July 14, 2007 04:00 PM DREAMHAVEN, 912 W. Lake St. Minneapolis, MN 55408 Petra a n :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 18:56:33 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:56:33 -0000 Subject: Lois McMaster Bujold on tour In-Reply-To: <231820.12488.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra wrote: > > Lois McMaster Bujold is touring to promote her latest book "Legacy" The Sharing Knife Volume Two. I'll be going to see her speak with my friend who turned me on to her books. If you are a fan of hers (and IIRC there are a few here?), I hope she's coming to a city near you! > > See http://dendarii.com/news/07May.html for more details: > > Tuesday, June 26, 2007 06:00 PM - 08:00 PM > UNCLE HUGO'S, 2864 Chicago Avenue, S Minneapolis, MN 55407 > > Wednesday, June 27, 2007 07:00 PM > UNIVERSITY BOOKSTORE, 4326 University Way, NE Seattle, WA 98105 > > Thursday, June 28, 2007 07:00 PM > POWELL'S BOOKSTORE, 3415 SW Cedar Hills Blvd, Beaverton, OR 97005 > > Friday, June 29, 2007 07:30 PM > BOOKS INC. Books Inc. 301 Castro St, Mountain View, CA 94041-1205 > > Saturday, June 30, 2007 07:00 PM > BOOKSMITH, 1644 Haight Street, San Francisco, CA 94117 > > Monday, July 02, 2007 07:00 PM > ANDERSON'S BOOKS, 123 W Jefferson Ave, Naperville, IL 60540 > > Saturday, July 14, 2007 04:00 PM > DREAMHAVEN, 912 W. Lake St. Minneapolis, MN 55408 > > Petra > a > n :) > Alla: I am definitely a fan of hers, absolutely. I am almost positive that Zgirnius was the first one who mentioned her books here and boy, oh boy did I love them all, no exception. I think Miles Vorkosigan saga is fantastic and the Curse of.... also very good. But I have to say - I was sorta dissapointed in the last book, I really really was. While I was always amased how she can do amasing character development and plot as well, I think in her last book ( I have only read the first part of the Sharing Knife) character development is sacrificed badly and all I can see is rather mediocre romance novel. But I guess nobody can produce great books all the time, sigh. I only hope that this is not a beginning of the trend a la Mercedes Lackey for her. :( In my opinion of course, but as I said I love ALL her other books and would have definitely gone to see her if she came to New York. Just my opinion, Alla From jillily3g at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 20:01:29 2007 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:01:29 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter films recalled over "movie contamination" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: LOL! I may have to find a way to incorporate this into my next College for Kids class. Despite the fact that the catalog indicated it would be a /book-based class/ I had a handful in each hour who had read no more than one book. Then in the midst of it one student, using time before class to read GoF, expressed surprise that it was Dobby, and not Neville, who gave Harry the Gillyweed. [Sigh] I wonder what he'll think once he gets to the maze... Beth From elanor.isolda at googlemail.com Tue Jun 26 20:42:37 2007 From: elanor.isolda at googlemail.com (Elanor Isolda) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:42:37 +0100 Subject: Sectus 2007: Registration Closure and Programme Message-ID: <6493bc80706261342t3a60a8b8g6cd2f965594ad5fc@mail.gmail.com> *Registration for Sectus 2007 will close on Saturday June 30th.* This means that in order to be registered, you have just five days left. You can register online at www.sectus.org. Booking for Not the Yule Ball will close on Wednesday July 4th. There will be a limited number of places made available on the day, but for guaranteed entry (and a lower rate) you must register in advance. For reference, the on-the-door rates will be: Thursday: ?20 Friday: ?20 (valid 10am - 6pm) Saturday: ?25 (valid 10pm Friday - 5pm Saturday, to include Reading Party) Sunday: ?15 These rates will only be available on the door: we can only sell four-day registrations in advance, priced at ?65. *Guests and Programme* If you have not done so already, check out the provisional event timetable at www.sectus.org/timetable.php for a taste of what is in store. We are lucky to be joined by the following Guest Speakers: - Steve Vander Ark, aka Lexicon Steve, creator and webmaster of the Harry Potter Lexicon (see www.hp-lexicon.org) - Colin Manlove, author of From Alice to Harry Potter: Children's Fantasy in England - Mary Baumann, author of A Detective's Analysis of Harry Potter and the Mysteries Within - David Langford, author of The End of Harry Potter? - Catherine Driscoll, Chair of Gender and Cultural Studies at the University of Sydney - Michael Bronski, Professor of Women's and Gender Studies and Jewish Studies at Dartmouth College. We also have a variety of scholars and well-known fans presenting their theories and analysis in subjects as diverse as Physics and Politics, as well as a constant stream of fanfiction-related programming. Every taste and interest will be catered for, and throwing in the release of the final Harry Potter book, this will truly be a once-in-a-lifetime event. Full details are available at www.sectus.org. If you have any queries, please contact the Sectus Bookings Office on info [at] sectus.org Best wishes, Elanor Isolda Conference Chair Sectus 2007 -- This conference is not endorsed, sanctioned or in any way supported, directly or indirectly, by Warner Bros. Entertainment, the Harry Potter book publishers or J.K. Rowling and her representatives. Sectus is not connected with the University of Westminser, and this event does not form part of the University's activities. Sectus is a trading name of Sectus Ltd, registered in England and Wales. // Registration number: 6130297 // Registered Office: 11 Murray Street, London NW1 9RE From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Tue Jun 26 23:15:10 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:15:10 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT (Was Re: Four days of good posting) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ann: > Also, Goddlefrood - what's the news on 1692? I didn't take the > WOMBAT, but people seem to be implying that they haven't got > specific marks, just grades. Goddlefrood: Well, there is just a certificate with the grade on it. There's never so far been any answers posted at JKR's site so perhaps we shall never know what the news on 1692 is, or maybe we'll be able to see when DH comes out in a little over three weeks. Liked your analysis on main, btw, it wasn't long at all. From random832 at fastmail.us Wed Jun 27 01:15:14 2007 From: random832 at fastmail.us (Jordan Abel) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:15:14 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Four days of good posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <437F6B88-D44B-48B1-9139-52FBA2FD5E8B@fastmail.us> On Jun 26, 2007, at 6:17 AM, or.phan_ann wrote: > I didn't take the WOMBAT, > but people seem to be implying that they haven't got specific marks, > just grades. They only did last time, either. I think eventually we managed to get enough of both people's answers and their grades to do some decent statistical analysis. Or am I imagining that? From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 04:00:51 2007 From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:00:51 -0000 Subject: Well I just had a thought... Message-ID: I attended the Pottercast in Thousand Oaks, CA this past weekend..and had the unfortunate opportunities to sit by (I moved around a time or two) folks who kept extoling the virtues of Snape. (who also kept insisting that DD had never been wrong...and of course one of the reasons why we love him so is because DD admited he had in fact, been wrong. Now, most know I had a hating Snape meltdown a time or two.(really only once but it makes me look better if I say it happened more than once--haha to be a rebel)...trust me...never post a hate/angry fest on a message board you respect...LOL brings much shame.. So with DD definitely not coming back..and everyone up in arms about Snape good or evil...and despite any new theories on time travel...I predict Snape will die..and he will not being a hero nor villian..Snape will forever reside in Gray. LOL (some will memorialize him and some will give him a repsectable burial in fandom) Anyway, how else to keep the hype up?(and why else keep oop movie and DH book release dates so close--especially after Snape has appeared as such a nasty git on screen?!?) So when they asked a question as to whether Harry would die or not...I cheered whole heartedly to the shock of most in the room. LMAO(my kids blushed so much!) I said this not because of all the talk and polls but because there are few discussions about whether or not Snape will live irregardless of the fact that most discussions are about Snape...I believe it would be great if we never KNEW!!! Kudos for JKR to create such an ambiguous character! Other than Snape, I am really enjoying this new theory that Harry time travels back(via Ron's watch) to the events at Godrics hollow....has words with "past" DD gives him the cloak and then leaves...hence the words "returned" when Harry gets the invisibility cloak when he comes back to Hogwarts, the fact that Ron ends up with the watch, and also why Hagrid brings Harry to Privet Drive, rather than DD who wants to keep the timeline as clean as he possibly can....(and if Harry WAS at GH that night...)and events must turn out as they must...and if Snape was there that night, or worse heard about it from Peter Pettigrew, or worse Voldie himself..*heavy sigh*...like I said..I want and think the big gray area at the end of book seven should be snape.(imagine analysis and discusion until the end of time)..Just like Hamlet--woohoo!) LOL Doddie From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jun 27 14:06:07 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:06:07 -0000 Subject: Dan on BBC1 yesterday morning Message-ID: You might be interested to know that Dan Radcliffe appeared in a brief slot on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning sandwiched between the serious floods in the North and Tony Blair stepping down today. He talked about work beyond Harry Potter but stressed how much the series meant to him and pointed out that there was still a lot of work remaining for the last two films. There were various snippets from OOTP but, like the trailers, they won't make much sense until we see them in context in the film. From orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jun 27 14:43:44 2007 From: orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk (or.phan_ann) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:43:44 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT (was: Four days of good posting)/long posts In-Reply-To: <437F6B88-D44B-48B1-9139-52FBA2FD5E8B@fastmail.us> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Jordan Abel wrote: > I think eventually we managed to get > enough of both people's answers and their grades to do some decent > statistical analysis. Or am I imagining that? Ann: I'm not a statistician. Would that be possible? If so: *unbelievably cool*. Also, I've just written a pair of posts, both of which I marked as long. They were each about 1,000 words. On the other hand, Katie's recent Mesage 170717 on HP memories is marked "fairly long", and it's only 450-odd words, and Elkins' Message 34802 is not tagged long and clocks in at just under 4,000 words. So my question is: given that there's no specific rule on long posts, comparable with the one-line rule, how long do other listies think "long" is? (For reference: 1,000 words is roughly equal to 3 or 4 pages of a book or 1 1/2 typed A4 pages.) Ann From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 04:36:50 2007 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:36:50 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: DH reading plan Message-ID: Kemper: I'm a slow reader, so will need to sleep. A few hours at a time. Water, coffee, bangers and a daily vitamin will sustain me. Sandy: Glad to know I'm not the only slow reader out here. The friend I am going with will have the book read in a few hours. I don't know how people do that. It will take me a couple of days. I am with you on the coffee and daily (senior) vitamin, but pardon my Yank ignorance -- what in the world is a banger? I snipped the rest of your post, but you mentioned trying to socialize a little while you were waiting for HBP. I went alone to that release, my first ever, so I attempted to talk with others there. The teens were in groups and seemed confused by me even being there. I attempted to talk to other adults, only to find they were picking the book up for their child or grandchild. Not one of them had read the books. Happily, I am going with friends this time, and the book store is having a carnival -- HP of course. Sandy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 28 04:57:45 2007 From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:57:45 -0000 Subject: Elf Note: Yahoo Groups Beta Message-ID: Hi, everyone-- As some of you already know, Yahoo has revamped Groups, and they're now beta testing them. HPfGU was given the opportunity to create a beta group to test it out, see how it works, etc. So, we have created: http://new.groups.yahoo.com/HPFGU-Beta Open membership, non-moderated posting, so please join up, post, try things out, see what y'all think. Thanks, everyone; let us know if you have any troubles joining. --Kelley From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 05:13:05 2007 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:13:05 -0000 Subject: WOMBAT (was: Four days of good posting)/long posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ann: > Also, I've just written a pair of posts, both of which I marked > as long. They were each about 1,000 words. On the other hand, > Katie's recent Mesage 170717 on HP memories is marked "fairly > long", and it's only 450-odd words, and Elkins' Message 34802 > is not tagged long and clocks in at just under 4,000 words. > So my question is: given that there's no specific rule on long > posts, comparable with the one-line rule, how long do other > listies think "long" is? (For reference: 1,000 words is roughly > equal to 3 or 4 pages of a book or 1 1/2 typed A4 pages.) Goddlefrood: Until quite recently I never marked posts at all. My longest clocked in at about 10,000 words. That one I did put "Quite long, even for me" on, so I'm learning to appreciate what others think is long. There's nothing set in stone about this, though. What some might think long others may feel is short. Some time back I had posted an essay on another site that was about 6,000 words. One of the responses said that was not long at all. That seems to suggest it's rather subjective. Some of my posts are less than 1000 words but probably not too many. None of them had long appended to them. Most of the list knows who the wind bags are anyway and I tend to think many believe I'm one of them. I would agree on the whole, but I do go into some depth on things at times in my defence. One last thing, I sent an e-mail to a fellow fan that said basically you are wrong about something to do with the witenagemot to wizengamot that ran to quite a few words. It convinced her though so my efforts were not wasted. Toodle Pip Goddlefrood From deathmarkdave at yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 13:03:39 2007 From: deathmarkdave at yahoo.com (Timothy R. O'Donnell) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:03:39 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles Message-ID: Top Ten Rejected Harry Potter Book 7 Titles 10. Harry Potter and the Next Conspiracy to Kill Him 9. Harry Potter and the Phantom Menace 8. Harry Potter and the Horcrux Pickle 7. Harry Potter and the Deathly Silence 6. Harry Potter and the Order of the Colors of the Rainbow 5. Harry Potter and the Dribble Goblet of Fire 4. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Commerce 3. Harry Potter and the Preorder of Record Breaking Proportions 2. Harry Potter and the Forbidden Forest of Sure Death 1. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollow Chocolate Easter Rabbits From jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com Thu Jun 28 16:56:43 2007 From: jo.sturgess at btopenworld.com (mooseming) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:56:43 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Timothy R. O'Donnell" wrote: > > Top Ten Rejected Harry Potter Book 7 Titles > 10. Harry Potter and the Next Conspiracy to Kill Him > 9. Harry Potter and the Phantom Menace > 8. Harry Potter and the Horcrux Pickle > 7. Harry Potter and the Deathly Silence > 6. Harry Potter and the Order of the Colors of the Rainbow > 5. Harry Potter and the Dribble Goblet of Fire > 4. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Commerce > 3. Harry Potter and the Preorder of Record Breaking Proportions > 2. Harry Potter and the Forbidden Forest of Sure Death > 1. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollow Chocolate Easter Rabbits > Harry Potter and the Bloodless Coup Harry Potter and Da Vinci Code Carry On Harry Potter Harry Potter and the Famous Wizard Card Swindle Harry Does Hogwarts Harry Potter and the Endless Backstory Lord Voldemort and the Surprise Ending Harry Potter and the Unsolved Mystery Harry Potter and Firmat's Last Theorem Harry Potter and the Graveyard Smash (The musical) Regards Jo From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 19:53:33 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:53:33 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Harry Potter And The Nuisance Lawsuits Harry Potter And The Provisional Feasibility Study Harry Potter And The Environmental Impact Statement Harry Potter And The Individual Tax 1040 Long Form Harry Potter And The Stoned Philosopher Harry Potter And The Goblets of Firewhisky Eggplant From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 20:40:11 2007 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:40:11 -0000 Subject: You have book 7 in your hands, what now? Message-ID: Ok It's 1201AM on July 21, you gave the cashier some money and she placed in your hands a book that will answer all the questions we have been arguing about for years; among many many others, is Snape good or evil, will Harry live or die? So now what are you going to do? I've heard some say they will turn to the last page before they even walk out of the store, in effect they intend to read the book backwards. As for me I think I'll read it forward. I'm not even going to read the table of contents in the beginning of the book because I have a hunch (it's just a hunch) one of the last chapter titles will be "The Man Who Died" or "The Next Great Adventure". I could be wrong. Incidentally, on the day Half Blood came out some colossal jerk who had bought the book at 1201 starter to drive around the bookstore with people lined up to buy HBP screaming into huge speakers mounted on his truck "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE! SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!". He was so proud of himself the degenerate lowlife posted the video on Youtube. I may bring earplugs, or a bazooka. Eggplant From celizwh at intergate.com Thu Jun 28 22:51:40 2007 From: celizwh at intergate.com (houyhnhnm102) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:51:40 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Timothy R. O'Donnell" wrote: > 4. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Commerce houyhnhnm: Oh boy, a new parlor game! I want to play. Harry Potter and the Kirwood Derby From MyVillage at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 29 03:04:18 2007 From: MyVillage at sbcglobal.net (Erica B.) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:04:18 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Well I just had a thought... References: Message-ID: <041a01c7b9fa$3101c2b0$8f01a8c0@d600> Doddie wrote: >>I attended the Pottercast in Thousand Oaks, CA this past weekend<< I'm in Oak Park, and I had no idea there was a Pottercast in T.O. What exactly *is* a Pottercast, and how did you find out about it? Thanks, Erica Key Finder Charms: Never Lose Your Keys or Cell Phone Again! Available for Wholesale Purchase http://www.Key-Finder-Charms.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com Fri Jun 29 05:33:20 2007 From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:33:20 -0000 Subject: Well I just had a thought... In-Reply-To: <041a01c7b9fa$3101c2b0$8f01a8c0@d600> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Erica B." wrote: > I'm in Oak Park, and I had no idea there was a Pottercast in T.O. What exactly *is* a Pottercast, and how did you find out about it? Thanks, > Erica > There a many HP fansites on the web...the most pop I believe are mugglenet, and leaky-cauldron... after intro of I'pods...many media outlets made "podcasts" (casting audio bits of shows onto the web)... the leaky cauldron makes potter casts of (all audio)of fans/actors/theorists/directors/editors interviews and posts them...they also post them on the web... During the first year they did this Potter cast was actually the most downloaded from the internet...(which is huge when one consideres the potter communitiy) The casts play like a radio show for the most part...although they can be audio and video..(which is/was kinda like howard Stern on E! channel back in the day..or Imus in the morning on msn) Are you going to any special premiere's of OOP? DD From MyVillage at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 29 10:07:55 2007 From: MyVillage at sbcglobal.net (Erica B.) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:07:55 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Well I just had a thought... References: Message-ID: <052801c7ba35$5f722e60$8f01a8c0@d600> Doddie wrote: >Are you going to any special premiere's of OOP?< Thanks for the info. I'm not going to any special premieres. I have not seen any of the movies in the theater, it just worked out that way, but we have all the dvds. I do have a free ticket for the movie that came in my son's OOP Wii game though, so we'll probably see this one in the theater. Unless I'm just missing the info, I haven't heard of anything special going on in Thousand Oaks or Westlake. My mom used to work at Barnes & Nobles in Westlake about 6 or 7 years ago. JKR came to the store, and she signed a first edition of SS for her. I hadn't started reading the series yet, so I didn't bother to go. She told me it was a mad house :) Erica B. Key Finder Charms: Never Lose Your Keys or Cell Phone Again! Available for Wholesale Purchase http://www.Key-Finder-Charms.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 29 13:36:22 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:36:22 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN Message-ID: Cassy: You know, what I find really amazing is that people, for whom English is not first language (myself included) somehow manage to understand BOTH British and American English. (well, not Australian, perhaps ^_~). And being native Russian speaker I can understand Ukrainian, Polish or, say, Belarussian fairly easily, since the languages are quite close. How come that people speaking ONE language have so much difficulties understanding each other? Alla: So, I thought I would reply here, since this does not have much to do with the books, but something I find fascinating nevertheless. I would agree with you that Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian languages are very close and easy to understand despite some words being different. But I would probably disagree with you that all people can do that. I would say that people who grew up in Ukraine and who had to learn Ulrainian certainly had no problem understanding Russian ( and they had to during soviet union times), but I definitely, definitely experienced several situations when people from Russia had no clue what we were talking about in Ukrainian. Hey, I have a living example of this here in New York, hehe. My brother's best friend is from Saint petersburg. When my brother and myself sometimes start talking in Ukrainian, he has NO freaking clue what we are talking about. That is despite at least 80% of vocabulary of both languages being the same indeed. So, what I am trying to say is that I have no problem understanding how couple unknown words can completely confuse the meaning of the sentences for some people and make them loose the thread of the conversation. I think you and myself have no problem understanding both versions because we in school learned british version ( I am not sure where you live right now), when I came to America, that was really not that much of the problem to substitute some words for anothers. I think also we are used to figure out the meaning of the unknown words in the sentences just because we have to, you know? The fact that I have no problem understanding both versions british and american, does not mean that I do not see new words here and there and no, I do not always keep my dictionary near by now when I read fiction, so I will figure the word out in the context. Does that ring true? Alla From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jun 29 20:24:08 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:24:08 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > > Cassy: > > You know, what I find really amazing is that people, for whom English > is not > first language (myself included) somehow manage to understand BOTH > British > and American English. (well, not Australian, perhaps ^_~). And being > native > Russian speaker I can understand Ukrainian, Polish or, say, Belarussian > fairly easily, since the languages are quite close. How come that people > speaking ONE language have so much difficulties understanding each > other? > > > Alla: > > So, I thought I would reply here, since this does not have much to do > with the books, but something I find fascinating nevertheless. > > I would agree with you that Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian > languages are very close and easy to understand despite some words > being different. But I would probably disagree with you that all people > can do that. > > I would say that people who grew up in Ukraine and who had to learn > Ulrainian certainly had no problem understanding Russian ( and they had > to during soviet union times), but I definitely, definitely experienced > several situations when people from Russia had no clue what we were > talking about in Ukrainian. > > Hey, I have a living example of this here in New York, hehe. > > My brother's best friend is from Saint petersburg. When my brother and > myself sometimes start talking in Ukrainian, he has NO freaking clue > what we are talking about. > > That is despite at least 80% of vocabulary of both languages being the > same indeed. > > So, what I am trying to say is that I have no problem understanding how > couple unknown words can completely confuse the meaning of the > sentences for some people and make them loose the thread of the > conversation. > > I think you and myself have no problem understanding both versions > because we in school learned british version ( I am not sure where you > live right now), when I came to America, that was really not that much > of the problem to substitute some words for anothers. > > I think also we are used to figure out the meaning of the unknown words > in the sentences just because we have to, you know? > > The fact that I have no problem understanding both versions british and > american, does not mean that I do not see new words here and there and > no, I do not always keep my dictionary near by now when I read fiction, > so I will figure the word out in the context. > > Does that ring true? Geoff: I didn't realise that Alla had switched the thread to OTC and replied to Cassy off-list to remind her of the well-known quote from George Bernard Shaw, the famous Irish playwright: "Britain and America are two nations divided by a common language". :-) I mean, why do I put on trousers and trainers and a jumper (or a sweater) when my US counterpart has to put on pants, sneakers and a sweater? Mark you I'm already wearing pants before I put on trousers...... Funny old thing, language. From celizwh at intergate.com Sat Jun 30 00:13:49 2007 From: celizwh at intergate.com (houyhnhnm102) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:13:49 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Slow but thorough. Here are my other nine. Harry Potter and the Mohorovicic Discontinuity Harry Potter and the Gall Stone Harry Potter and the Epistemological Objects Harry Potter and the Order of Precedence Harry Potter and the Goblet Cells Harry Potter and the Half Baked Quince Harry Potter and the International Association of Fire Chiefs Harry Potter and Avogadro's Number Harry Potter and the Subduction Zone (to return to the geological motif) houyhnhnm From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com Sat Jun 30 00:47:37 2007 From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:47:37 -0000 Subject: Top Ten Rejected Book 7 Titles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh, can I play too? Food theme book titles: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Scone (hard as a stone) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Succotash (veeery scary) Harry Potter and the Pistachio of Azkaban (they all go nuts there) Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fresca (Voldy's drink of choice) Harry Potter and the Order of Chinese Takeout (the poor delivery boy can't find the place) Harry Potter and the Half-baked Potato (insert your pun for Snape here) Harry Potter and the Deathly Hot Jalapenos (will make everyone cry at the end) Cheers, Dondee From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Jun 30 01:27:52 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:27:52 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c7bab5$e092ea40$66a4a8c0@ROSIE> [Geoff B.]: | I mean, why do I put on trousers and trainers and a jumper (or a | sweater) when my US counterpart has to put on pants, sneakers | and a sweater? Mark you I'm already wearing pants before I put | on trousers...... | | Funny old thing, language. [Lee]: Which leads me to another Brit/US thing. I have a friend who hadd a British co-worker who called that garment with long legs on it "Striders." What be the dif between striders and trousers? Cheers, Lee :-) (Who just got her computer back from super-major replacement of 90% of it's parts and is trying oh so desperately to put things back to rights!) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 30 01:53:24 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:53:24 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > I would agree with you that Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian > languages are very close and easy to understand despite some words > being different. But I would probably disagree with you that all > people can do that. I personally understand, say, Ukrainian, so much better when I read in it, not when I listen to it :-). If I can see how the word is written, it's easier for me to recognize it or guess its meaning. > I think you and myself have no problem understanding both versions > because we in school learned british version. Yeah, exactly, words like jumpers are not a problem for us :-). I read HP books in US edition first, so when I met an unfamiliar word there, I didn't really know if the word was British or American, as for me both versions are equally foreign :-). I usually just look the word up, in case I can't figure it out from the context. I must say I learned some stuff thanks to HP. For example, I met this "black pudding" before in some other books, but I was never curious enough to find out what it was, I was quite satisfied to understand that it was some food. Well, now I know exactly what it is, and believe me, it's not at all what I imagined ... :-). zanooda From sistermagpie at earthlink.net Sat Jun 30 02:27:57 2007 From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:27:57 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Cassy: > > You know, what I find really amazing is that people, for whom English > is not > first language (myself included) somehow manage to understand BOTH > British > and American English. (well, not Australian, perhaps ^_~). And being > native > Russian speaker I can understand Ukrainian, Polish or, say, Belarussian > fairly easily, since the languages are quite close. How come that people > speaking ONE language have so much difficulties understanding each > other? Magpie: We really don't have much trouble understanding each other. Publishing companies sometimes, along with putting in the standard US spellings and punctuation, change some of the words to the American version. Since everything about HP is focused on intensely, this becomes intensely annoying.:-) I must say, though, Mike Smith recently had a great defense of the use "Sorcerer's Stone." As a chemist he knows what the Philosopher's Stone is perfectly well, and actually did a fascinating post explaining the understanding about the world it came from. But he felt that some of the actual properties of it weren't the best fit with the Potterverse (for instance, to a person living in the time of alchemy making gold and immortality would naturally go together), and what's more, he thought that "Philosopher's Stone" rather stuck out in Rowling's world as not quite sounding like most of the words she used. He thought that since usually the Muggle Words we know are slightly wrong, there was nothing "dumb" about the stone really being called something else, or having had a name change in the WW over the years. After all, in the WW the word philosopher isn't used the same way it was used back then either. -m From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 30 03:11:09 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:11:09 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > I personally understand, say, Ukrainian, so much better when I read > in it, not when I listen to it :-). If I can see how the word is > written, it's easier for me to recognize it or guess its meaning. Alla: When I grew up in Kiev many people for whom Russian was first language did not want to learn Ukrainian. I do not know where you are from, but if you are from any republic other than Russia, I am sure you remember how any native language, be it Ukrainian, Belorussian or Uzbek was sorta secondary to Russian during Soviet Union times in all republics. I mean, you were supposed to learn it in school, but all official correspondence was in Russian, etc. Now they totally avoid Russian in many independent republics, sorta other extreme if you ask me. So, I could never understand that - I enjoyed the language, still do, even if do not have much reason to speak it. Alla: > > I think you and myself have no problem understanding both versions > > because we in school learned british version. > Zanooda: > Yeah, exactly, words like jumpers are not a problem for us :-). I > read HP books in US edition first, so when I met an unfamiliar word > there, I didn't really know if the word was British or American, as > for me both versions are equally foreign :-). I usually just look the > word up, in case I can't figure it out from the context. > > I must say I learned some stuff thanks to HP. For example, I met > this "black pudding" before in some other books, but I was never > curious enough to find out what it was, I was quite satisfied to > understand that it was some food. Well, now I know exactly what it > is, and believe me, it's not at all what I imagined ... :-). > Alla: Oh yeah, did not mean to say that I understand all the words LOL. Of course I will just look it up if I do not know it as well. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jun 30 20:07:58 2007 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:07:58 -0000 Subject: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: <000c01c7bab5$e092ea40$66a4a8c0@ROSIE> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" wrote: > > [Geoff B.]: > | I mean, why do I put on trousers and trainers and a jumper (or a > | sweater) when my US counterpart has to put on pants, sneakers > | and a sweater? Mark you I'm already wearing pants before I put > | on trousers...... > | > | Funny old thing, language. > > [Lee]: > Which leads me to another Brit/US thing. I have a friend who hadd a British > co-worker who called that garment with long legs on it "Striders." What be > the dif between striders and trousers? > > Cheers, > > Lee :-) > (Who just got her computer back from super-major replacement of 90% of it's > parts and is trying oh so desperately to put things back to rights!) Geoff: Well, as a UK English native speaker, I've never heard of Striders..... I wonder whether it was a dialect word, or even a trade name, lke Hoover or Thermos. Not so seriously though, perhaps Aragorn wore them? :-) From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jun 30 21:59:02 2007 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:59:02 -0000 Subject: Philosophers Stone (was UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sistermagpie" wrote: << I must say, though, Mike Smith recently had a great defense of the use "Sorcerer's Stone." As a chemist he knows what the Philosopher's Stone is perfectly well, >> Do chemists (the scientists, not the pharmacists) all know all about the Philosopher's Stone? It certainly never was mentioned in my undergraduate non-advanced chemistry classes, altho' if I recall correctly, phlogiston once was, explaining how (Lavoisier? Priestly?) disproved the phlogiston theory by weighing the object before burning and all the combustion products (including smoke) after burning. At the time, I didn't think of asking whether the extra weight (including replacement of the weight of the departed phlogiston) could have been replaced by air sucked in during the burning. The obsolete 'ether' theory was much more discussed in my undergraduate physics class. << and actually did a fascinating post explaining the understanding about the world it came from. >> Link? Repost here? << But he felt that some of the actual properties of it weren't the best fit with the Potterverse (for instance, to a person living in the time of alchemy making gold and immortality would naturally go together), and what's more, he thought that "Philosopher's Stone" rather stuck out in Rowling's world as not quite sounding like most of the words she used. >> I think 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' is the best title ever, of anything. The contradictory feeling of such an ordinary name as Harry Potter and such an extraordinary idea as the Philosopher's Stone still gets my brain buzzing every time I hear it. But I heard someone, I think John Granger, say that Arthur Levine changed the title because he is a markettng genius and knew that any children's book with the word 'sorcerer' in the title would stir up a lot of pressure groups calling, sight unseen, for the book to be suppressed for being Satanic. << He thought that since usually the Muggle Words we know are slightly wrong, there was nothing "dumb" about the stone really being called something else, or having had a name change in the WW over the years. After all, in the WW the word philosopher isn't used the same way it was used back then either. >> In the WW, or in the RW? I don't recall canon for the word 'philosopher' being used at all in the RW. From catlady at wicca.net Sat Jun 30 22:18:01 2007 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:18:01 -0000 Subject: Reply to a Main List Post Message-ID: Lanval wrote in : << Catlady: << My spouse's late father's late dog [threw himself between a pit bull and a child], when the pit bull next door got loose from its back yard and menaced a toddler in its front yard. >> Ouch, bless him! I hope this was not the incident that caused him to become a 'late dog'? >> I guess Dog (one of those imaginative, creative names) didn't have to hold the pit bull off very long, because a lot of humans heard the commotion and came running to intervene. The way Tim tells the story (and he is my only source for it), the important part is not that the pit bull got loose from an enclosure in which he was supposed to be confined nor that Dog was a hero, but that Dog got some kind of big bite on his leg, and the family didn't have money for veterinarians, so Tim's father cleaned and sewed up the wound himself -- Tim says something about cutting off a torn piece of tendon -- and Dog recovered just fine. << writing such wonderful scenes of Snape being a petty, nasty, vengeful, spittle-spouting GIT >> All other flaws in the HP movies can be redeemed by someone making different better HP movies in the future, but the lost chance to see *Alan Rickman* chewing the scenery in the Shrieking Shack scene will never come again. Actors, *especially* child actors, age too fast for WB to assemble to same cast, costumes and sets for a movie called "Harry Potter and the Shrieking Shack" that would start (before the opening titles) with the black dog dragging Ron down the hole, and follow the book until the closing credits roll over the people traversing the tunnel in the "out" direction. From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Jun 30 22:29:17 2007 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:29:17 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: UK v US language difficulties reply to post from MAIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7bb66$18dfd8d0$66a4a8c0@ROSIE> [ Geoff]: | Not so seriously though, perhaps Aragorn wore them? :-) [Lee]: Love it! Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend.