From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 03:28:30 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 03:28:30 -0000
Subject: Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
In-Reply-To: <f15tlf+kvv3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f16c4u+rvdq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

<snip>

> maybe Russian speakers or Spanish speakers or whatever
> should think about how their native-language equivalents sound to
> their own ears before using the English ones


zanooda:

I actually laughed when I read this, Carol :-). I hope you don't 
think that we non-English speakers just walk around cursing people 
right and left in English :-)? I for one am a very well-mannered 
middle-aged lady. Alla is a young woman, I guess, but I doubt she has 
the *f* word on the ready when she comes to her law office. We don't 
swear, I swear :-)! 

The difference between not swearing in English and not swearing in 
Russian is, for me personally, that I don't swear in English because 
I *know* these words are offensive, but in Russian I just physically 
can't bring myself to pronounce them.

I was interested in this strange phenomenon from purely linguistic 
point of view, that's why I commented on Alla's post. I don't agree 
with Steve that it is about how passionate the language or people are 
(and I don't really understand how a language can be passionate or 
impassive). I mean, it can be true, but it's not my feeling. 

It seems to me that this is more about how deep different languages 
are rooted inside us, you know. Your native language is something 
that belongs to you and surrounds you from the moment you were born. 
That's why in your native language you *feel* the words, in other 
languages you just "know" them. Maybe it's not very scientific, but 
that's how I understand it.


> Carol, who agrees with Steve that Russian sounds, to an outsider, 
> like a passionate language, and thinks that a Russian accent in a 
> man is either cute or sexy, depending on his age

zanooda:

Did you hear the real Russian accent, not this fake TV/movies one?
I'm just asking because the "heavy" Russian accent sounds extremely 
unpleasant to me. The "light" variety is kind of nice, yeah.



zanooda, who doesn't think English is boring, and who loves 
everything about it, including the way it sounds, which she can't say 
about some other languages










From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 12:04:27 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 12:04:27 -0000
Subject: Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
In-Reply-To: <f16c4u+rvdq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f17acb+eqid@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" 
> <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > maybe Russian speakers or Spanish speakers or whatever
> > should think about how their native-language equivalents sound to
> > their own ears before using the English ones
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> I actually laughed when I read this, Carol :-). I hope you don't 
> think that we non-English speakers just walk around cursing people 
> right and left in English :-)? I for one am a very well-mannered 
> middle-aged lady. Alla is a young woman, I guess, but I doubt she 
has 
> the *f* word on the ready when she comes to her law office. We 
don't 
> swear, I swear :-)! 
> 
> The difference between not swearing in English and not swearing in 
> Russian is, for me personally, that I don't swear in English 
because 
> I *know* these words are offensive, but in Russian I just 
physically 
> can't bring myself to pronounce them.
> 
> I was interested in this strange phenomenon from purely linguistic 
> point of view, that's why I commented on Alla's post. I don't 
agree 
> with Steve that it is about how passionate the language or people 
are 
> (and I don't really understand how a language can be passionate or 
> impassive). I mean, it can be true, but it's not my feeling. 
> 
> It seems to me that this is more about how deep different 
languages 
> are rooted inside us, you know. Your native language is something 
> that belongs to you and surrounds you from the moment you were 
born. 
> That's why in your native language you *feel* the words, in other 
> languages you just "know" them. Maybe it's not very scientific, 
but 
> that's how I understand it.
> 


Alla:

LOL, Zanooda. No, of course I am going around and swearing at 
everybody. That's what lawyers do after all, tee hee.

Seriously - am agreeing with everything you wrote, every word.




From daniel_337 at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May  1 13:14:28 2007
From: daniel_337 at hotmail.co.uk (dorton_1969)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:14:28 -0000
Subject: Book 7
Message-ID: <f17efk+a25g@eGroups.com>

Hey, so what do you all think will happen in book 7? Any ideas. I hope
it ends happily, with Harry killing Voldemort, but I've heard JK wants
to kill him off, because she is trying to stop people from copying her.

dorton_1969



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Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Tue May  1 20:46:39 2007
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:46:39 -0000
Subject: "The Great Snape Debate" and a few words on LOTR
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"justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> has anyone read "The Great Snape
> Debate"? 

It's funny you should mention this, I just this minute got home from
Borders where I spent a happy hour reading through it. I didn't buy it
because it will be obsolete in about 80 days. 

>From what I understand, it's a flip book--read one direction,
>it's about reasons to trust Snape. Turned over and read the
>other way, it's about reasons to suspect that he's evil.

Yes that's right. The evil Snape half makes a moderately compelling
case although their explanation of why an evil Snape saved Harry's
life in book 1 doesn't hold water, but other than that it's not bad.
The good Snape half of the book seems much to have much less critical
thinking, their explanation as to why he agreed to make that
Unbreakable Vow was pathetically weak.

Eggplant
 





From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 00:26:43 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 00:26:43 -0000
Subject: MTV Movie Awards - Harry Potter & OoP
Message-ID: <f18ls3+km5a@eGroups.com>

Best Summer Movie You Haven't Seen Yet, which as its name suggests 
honors a buzz-worthy flick that has yet to be released, features an 
inaugural slate of:

"Rush Hour 3"
"Hairspray"
"Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer"
"Evan Almighty"
"Transformers"
"Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix"

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964030.html?categoryId=16&cs=1

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 00:51:47 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 00:51:47 -0000
Subject: Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
In-Reply-To: <f16c4u+rvdq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>

> > Carol, who agrees with Steve that Russian sounds, to an outsider,
like a passionate language, and thinks that a Russian accent in a man
is either cute or sexy, depending on his age
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> Did you hear the real Russian accent, not this fake TV/movies one?
I'm just asking because the "heavy" Russian accent sounds extremely
unpleasant to me. The "light" variety is kind of nice, yeah.
> 
> 
> 
> zanooda, who doesn't think English is boring, and who loves 
everything about it, including the way it sounds, which she can't say
about some other languages
>
Carol again:

Sad to say, I *was* thinking of the TV variety. Anyone remember Ilya
Kuryakin? Played, as I now remember, by a Scotsman, David McCallum.
And the Russians in "The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are
Coming!" were endearing. But now I just feel embarrassed. I'm not sure
that I've ever encountered a "real" Russian accent. (German, yes, and
I confess that I find a strong German accent off-putting.)

I agree that some languages are pleasant to listen to even when you
don't understand them (Italian, for example) and others sound harsh or
noisy. Of course, they might not sound that way if we could understand
them. OTOH, the same is true for accents in English (the only language
I can talk intelligently about in that regard, never having
encountered any ancient Romans). Some accents sound sophisticated (BBC
English); some sound illiterate but still pleasant to hear (whatever
accent Robbie Coltrane is using for Hagrid); to me, some just sound
illiterate (Cockney, certain U.S. Southern accents); some are grating
to the ear (New York City). Of course, those of us who live in Arizona
have no accent at all. <smile> (I had barely opened my mouth to ask
about overseas postage when I was in London when the postal clerk said
"To America?")

I do love English, of course, including the sound of it, though I
think it's terribly abused by people who either don't take advantage
of its versatility and are stuck in profanity mode or who want to
sound "sophisticated" or "educated" (PhD candidates, weather
forecasters, businesses, and policemen being among the worst
offenders). Why, for example, must an employee now be an "associate"?
Why must a storm be a "precipitation event"? Why must a "problem" be
an "issue"? Why should I list my "gender" on a loan application as if
I were a part of speech?

Anyway, I'm at the point in life where everything was "better" when I
was a kid--no cell phones or video games or black metal music or
grammar checks and we read or rode bikes or walked in the hills and
built forts out of pine needles to entertain ourselves and actually
learned to spell and write without a computer and do arithmetic
without a calculator--so forgive me if I sound like an old fogey.

Carol, wondering what her accent sounds like to other ears and
remembering being called a "Yankee" when she briefly lived in North
Carolina




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 01:02:28 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 01:02:28 -0000
Subject: "The Great Snape Debate" and a few words on LOTR
In-Reply-To: <f188vf+d7t2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f18nv4+pquf@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > has anyone read "The Great Snape Debate"? 
> 
Eggplant responded:
> It's funny you should mention this, I just this minute got home from
Borders where I spent a happy hour reading through it. I didn't buy it
because it will be obsolete in about 80 days. 
> 
Carol:
> >From what I understand, it's a flip book--read one direction, it's
about reasons to trust Snape. Turned over and read the other way, it's
about reasons to suspect that he's evil.
> 
Eggplant:
> Yes that's right. The evil Snape half makes a moderately compelling
case although their explanation of why an evil Snape saved Harry's
life in book 1 doesn't hold water, but other than that it's not bad.
The good Snape half of the book seems much to have much less critical
thinking, their explanation as to why he agreed to make that
Unbreakable Vow was pathetically weak.

Carol again:
Thanks. I think I'll do the same thing--just stand there and read it
next time I'm in Borders rather than spending the money (though maybe
it wil become a collector's item in twenty years). I was wondering if
it presented any new ideas that we haven't encountered on HPfGu.
Apparently not. I suspect that we won't know Snape's motivation for
taking the UV until DH comes out, and even then, some readers may not
find it adequate. ("But it was essential to the plot!" protests JKR.)

Carol, doubting that she's find the evil Snape side "moderately
compelling" as she'd be mentally arguing with it!




From wuff at internode.on.net  Wed May  2 01:59:00 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:59:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "The Great Snape Debate" and a few words
 on LOTR
In-Reply-To: <f188vf+d7t2@eGroups.com>
References: <f188vf+d7t2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4637F064.6020009@internode.on.net>

eggplant107 wrote:
> "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
>> has anyone read "The Great Snape
>> Debate"? 
> 
> It's funny you should mention this, I just this minute got home from
> Borders where I spent a happy hour reading through it. I didn't buy it
> because it will be obsolete in about 80 days. 

And therefore a collectors item.

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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 05:59:01 2007
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 05:59:01 -0000
Subject: Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
In-Reply-To: <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:

> I'm not sure that I've ever encountered a "real" Russian accent.

zanooda:

I don't think you have much time to watch TV, but if you ever see some 
TV show where there are a lot of "Russians", pay attention to the 
secondary  characters. The main "Russian" is always not a real Russian, 
but minor characters just might be. Take for example the 
latest  "Russians"  on "24". There was a whole bunch of them in an 
embassy (or a consulate). The consul himself was not real Russian, of 
course (was it the actor who played Denethor in LOTR? looked so much 
like him), but some of others were. But you won't hear a really "good"  
bad accent on TV, I suppose :-).








From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed May  2 07:01:55 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 03:01:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in
 translation
In-Reply-To: <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>
References: <f16c4u+rvdq@eGroups.com> <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c78c87$c5b4c2e0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

[justcarol67 wrote]:
| Why, for example, must an employee now be an "associate"?
| Why must a storm be a "precipitation event"? Why must a "problem" be
| an "issue"? Why should I list my "gender" on a loan application as if
| I were a part of speech?

[Lee adds]:
When I worked for what was then AT&T Bell Labs, they had such phrases as:
"The job went away" (the position was disbanded)

"An At Risk Employee" (someone whose job went away and is still hanging
around posting internally for a position because they took extension time
rather than a lump sum severance.)

"Vertical Level Conference (Basically, a chance for us little people to
gripe to the upper management but, in truth, upper mags aren't really
listening, just trying to make us think they are.)

Everything was a "Process," you hoped you fitted into the "Value Added
Employee" category, etc.  It all got to be really silly and disgusting.
Ah--yes--and don't forget the "key word of the month" thing...like
"Quality," which was a real hoot!  Our Department Head sent out a memo
regarding this word and, to show how it worked, the word was spelled
"qualty." Not kidding! Now, where was that quality proofreader?

[justcarol67]:
| Anyway, I'm at the point in life where everything was "better" when I
| was a kid--no cell phones or video games or black metal music or
| grammar checks and we read or rode bikes or walked in the hills and
| built forts out of pine needles to entertain ourselves and actually
| learned to spell and write without a computer and do arithmetic
| without a calculator--so forgive me if I sound like an old fogy.

[Lee]:
Yes! Yes! And imagination was the key to good play!  And one could play cops
and robbers without worrying about being accused as threatening or some
silly thing like that.  Bottle caps were gold coins and a shoe box was a
treasure chest where you stashed your gold coins. :-)  Fridge boxes were
houses, forts, spaceships or whatever.  Ah--I could go on for hours...

[justcarol67]:
| Carol, wondering what her accent sounds like to other ears and
| remembering being called a "Yankee" when she briefly lived in North
| Carolina

[Lee]:
Well, I have a wacky cross of accents, having lived most of my life in New
York City and the rest in New Jersey with exposure to Southern, New England
and others.  So, in a word, my accent is a general East Coaster.  Of course,
being a bit of a camel ion, I pick up the accent from wherever I happen to
be.

Cheers,

Lee, the Old Fogy Prudehead In NJ :-)

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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed May  2 13:52:14 2007
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:52:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
In-Reply-To: <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>
References: <f18nb3+lso5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc37e96d0ee0497aad233d87187acea4@fandm.edu>

Carol:
> I agree that some languages are pleasant to listen to even when you
> don't understand them (Italian, for example) and others sound harsh or
> noisy. Of course, they might not sound that way if we could understand
> them. OTOH, the same is true for accents in English (the only language
> I can talk intelligently about in that regard, never having
> encountered any ancient Romans). Some accents sound sophisticated (BBC
> English); some sound illiterate but still pleasant to hear (whatever
> accent Robbie Coltrane is using for Hagrid); to me, some just sound
> illiterate (Cockney, certain U.S. Southern accents); some are grating
> to the ear (New York City).

Laura:
Personally, I find some Southern accents quite pleasant -- one of my 
roommates last semester was from Arkansas and had the sweetest, softest 
way of speaking that I've ever come across (well, except for this one 
kid from Wales).  I hail from New England, so my exposure to Southern 
accents is limited -- I know there are some I really dislike, but I'm 
not sure what specific areas of the country they are from.

Speaking of New England, we have our fair share of grating accents here 
as well.  A strong Boston accent, in particular, really gets to me, but 
one of the worst is actually the "Downeast Maine" accent we have in my 
hometown.  Just picture every word ending in -er being pronounced as if 
it ended in -a, and every word ending in -a being pronounced as if it 
ended in -er.  It's maddening!  Some of the old-timers have a slightly 
different take on the same accent that is more mumble-y and kind of 
charming (I probably only feel this way because that's how my father 
speaks ^_~), but on everyone else it just sounds incredibly uneducated.

<rant> Oh, and if I could just get my peers (or at least my cousins and 
brother) to quit saying "friggin'" every other friggin' word, my sanity 
would be greatly improved. ^_~  I mean, what *is* that?  Why do they 
feel the need to use it so often?  How, in the name of all that is 
holy, can I make them stop? </rant>

Carol:
> Of course, those of us who live in Arizona
> have no accent at all. <smile>

Laura:
Ha!  If people ask, I generally tell them that I don't have an accent, 
but what I really mean is that I have the same accent as roughly 80% of 
people on American TV.

Carol:
> (I had barely opened my mouth to ask
> about overseas postage when I was in London when the postal clerk said
> "To America?")

That's interesting.  I was living in Scotland last semester, and one of 
the weirdest things for me was that the vast majority of British people 
I met in passing (store clerks, etc.) couldn't tell I was American from 
my accent.  It was so strange.  I definitely don't have a British 
accent, nor did I pick one up in any significant way while I was there 
(although sometimes certain words would come out funny, especially 
"basil" and "literally").  I did find an undefinable similarity in the 
accents of certain people in Northern England and my dad, but I don't 
sound anything like my dad, so I don't think that really had anything 
to do with my problem.

Anyway, it lead to some very confusing conversations, in which I would 
tell some poor, unsuspecting sandwich shop fellow that I was from 
Maine, and he would spend the next 10 minutes trying to figure out 
where in Britain this "Maine" could be, and I would spend the the next 
10 minutes trying to match all of the towns he was mentioning to places 
in the US (e.g. Manchester, York) until he said something like 
"Bristol," and I realized he wasn't talking about the US at all.  I 
felt bad, because it was all a lot of work for what was meant to just 
be a simple, friendly question.

I still haven't quite figured it out.  I mean, there is a very real 
difference in the way I speak and even someone with RP speaks.  The 
best I can guess is that it has something to do with my voice, which is 
quite soft as one of my vocal cords has been paralyzed (surgery when I 
was a baby).  My roommates' Welsh grandfather told me that it 
"complimented [my] American accent" when I told him about it, but I 
don't really think too much can be read into that, as people will say 
the weirdest things when they find out about my vocal cord (I think 
they feel embarrassed that they asked at all and are struggling to find 
something nice to say to make up for it, poor dears).

Carol:
> Anyway, I'm at the point in life where everything was "better" when I
> was a kid--no cell phones or video games or black metal music or
> grammar checks and we read or rode bikes or walked in the hills and
> built forts out of pine needles to entertain ourselves and actually
> learned to spell and write without a computer and do arithmetic
> without a calculator--so forgive me if I sound like an old fogey.

Laura:
You know, I'm only 22, and I already feel this way about my childhood.  
I think it has more to do with missing the magic of being a child more 
than anything else.  I mean, as many perks as there are to being an 
adult, how can one help but look back fondly on a time when one's life 
basically boiled down to make-believe games?  I must confess, sometimes 
on the island in the summer, I still like to pretend I'm a stranded 
wild horse or a feral child who has to scavenge for berries and sea 
grass.  Only when no one else is about, of course.  ^_~

Laura




From alferian at earthlink.net  Wed May  2 17:14:34 2007
From: alferian at earthlink.net (James Maertens)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:14:34 -0000
Subject: Intro from Alferian and Avalon Center
Message-ID: <f1agtq+svq3@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I'm Alferian, a 46 year old Druid scholar and HP fan.  Just wanted to
introduce myself and my school, the Avalon Center for Druidic Studies. 
It's not Hogwarts, but it was inspired in part by Hogwarts, so I suspect
it will be of interest to the HPFGU members.  I would also be interested
in off-topic chatter about magical education in the real world as well
as in the HP canon.

I'll include below a notice about our Bealtaine Quarter which just
started.

Cheers and glad to be here,

Alferian



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 05:53:09 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 05:53:09 -0000
Subject: Intro from Alferian and Avalon Center
In-Reply-To: <f1agtq+svq3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1btc5+mn7i@eGroups.com>

"James Maertens" wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I'm Alferian, a 46 year old Druid scholar and HP fan.  Just wanted
to introduce myself and my school, the Avalon Center for Druidic Studies. 
> It's not Hogwarts, but it was inspired in part by Hogwarts, so I
suspect it will be of interest to the HPFGU members.  I would also be
interested in off-topic chatter about magical education in the real
world as well as in the HP canon. <snip>

Carol responds:
Hi, Alferian. Welcome to the group. This isn't a magical education
question, but I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on the Veil in
the Death Room of the Ministry of Magic of the Department of Mysteries
in general. I was wondering specifically if you thought there might be
some connection between the veiled archway, which seems like a portal
to the afterlife, and Druid ritual. I've wondered whether the Ministry
might be built on the site of an ancient Druid site.

Please bear in mind that these are just thoughts that occurred to me
as I read, not the basis for any theory or interpretation of the books.

I'd also be interested in any thoughts you have about the significance
of wand woods and cores and even that mysterious symbol on the spine
of the children's Bloomsbury edition of "Deathly Hallows."

Carol, not wanting to get too canonical on the OT site but really
curious about Druidical elements in the books




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 06:23:30 2007
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 06:23:30 -0000
Subject: Is LV modeled on Crowley?
In-Reply-To: <f101d4+c44q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1bv52+bleo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" 
<coriolan at ...> wrote:
> 
> Crowley was more of a Lockhart than a Voldemort, IMO.  More than a 
> bit  of a flake, but certainly no evil monster. Snip> 

> Where did you find the "no good or evil, only power and those too 
> afraid to use it" quote? The closest thing I could find was his 
> motto, 
> "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law," 

Tonks:
Here is a link to a picture which in some sense does look a bit like 
LV in the movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CrowleyFinger.jpg

I can't find the website again that I was looking on before. But 
actually it was one of his followers who said "there is no good or 
evil, etc" and that was L. Ron Hubbard. 

As I understand it, Crowley was a necromancer, and did do many acts 
of dark magic. I am told that there were secrets of the Golden Dawn 
that were never to be made public and he did. I will not mention the 
name of the books, since there are young people on this part of the 
board and I got in trouble for even talking about the triangle with 
the circle in it on another site. The book by Crowley is one of the 
most Dark Magic things I have ever seen, it summons demons. Crowley 
himself said that he was the Anti-Christ. Not true,of coures, but he 
saw himself as evil and it was his desire to be so.

I am not saying that the magic in HP has anything to do with real 
dark magic or real wizardry for that matter. But an author can use 
people in her mind as a role model for a figure. I am not heavly 
invested in this theory, so it doesn't matter to me one way of the 
other. I am just offering it as food for thought.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 11:03:55 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:03:55 -0000
Subject: Is LV modeled on Crowley?
In-Reply-To: <f1bv52+bleo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1cfir+m1gv@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:

> As I understand it, Crowley was a necromancer, 

Goddlefrood:

No, Crowley was a lunatic and a child abuser and it has become 
offensive to suggest otherwise. Kindly refrain from bringing him
up again, it would be much appreciated.

I had responded to a post at main the other day, perhaps it was 
not noticed :-?

There is no magic in the real world I'm afraid ;)





From hutchingslesley at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May  3 11:12:21 2007
From: hutchingslesley at yahoo.co.uk (lesley)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:12:21 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts, A History
Message-ID: <f1cg2l+5k38@eGroups.com>

Hi,
Is anyone else out there as eager as i am to read the much referenced 
Hogwarts, A History? Perhaps JKR should write it for charity!
Lesley. x




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 12:41:22 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 05:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Hogwarts, A History
In-Reply-To: <f1cg2l+5k38@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <832804.39602.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree, 200% percent!!!!!
   
  MJ

lesley <hutchingslesley at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
          Hi,
Is anyone else out there as eager as i am to read the much referenced 
Hogwarts, A History? Perhaps JKR should write it for charity!
Lesley. x



         


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 16:59:08 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:59:08 -0000
Subject: Half Moon Investigations by Eoin Colfer - Review
Message-ID: <f1foos+bnn5@eGroups.com>

What is a good test of whether a book is good or not?

Well, "can't put it down" is a pretty good test. A few 
days ago I finally found 'Half Moon Investigations' in
paperback. I've been wanting to read it for a long time,
but have been unwilling to risk the substantial (on my
income) investment in the hard cover version, so I
waited for the paperback.

I rushed through the end of OotP, which I had been 
reading at the time, eager to see what happened to
12 year old 'Fletcher Moon' in Colfer's new book. Every
night I read a bit before going to bed, and a couple of
nights ago I was about half way through, and I simply 
could not put it down. I read all through the night 
until past dawn. I just had to know what happened; I 
just had to know the solution to the mystery. IT WAS 
THAT GOOD.

Here is a blurb from the book cover -

"Combine Sam Spade's manner, Encyclopedia Brown's
curiosity, and Columbo's tenacity -- that's Fletcher
Moon, kid crime-solver" - Kirkus Reviews

This book read like a gritty detective novel, but it
takes place on the grade school playground complete
with all the playground stereotypes; the big bully
girl, the bad family, the 'Barbie-doll' gang of girls,
etc..., and of course, 'Half Moon'. Fletcher Moon was
named Half Moon by the oldest of the 'bad family'
because Fletcher was pretty short. 

Much like the Artemis Fowl, the overall premise of the
story is somewhat ridiculous; I mean, a gritty crime
story taking place on the school play ground...really?
But, again like the Artemis Fowl books, there is a real
gripping mystery underlying the somewhat light overall
premise. That is part of the magic of Eoin Colfer's 
writing; he can take any unlikely premise and weave it
into a suspenseful mystery.

Fletcher Moon, really is a certified Private Detective.
He used his father's birth certificate (they share the
same name) to enroll in an Private Detective's 
correspondence course. He came out at the top of his
class, and has the certificate and detective's badge to
prove it.  

Since then he has been solving minor mysteries for his
classmates, but now Fletcher (Half Moon) has a real
mystery to solve. With the help of Red, the oldest of
the 'bad family' still in grade school, Fletcher finds
himself on the run from the law, and can only reveal
himself when he has solved the mystery and cleared his
name.

That sounds like a pretty straight forward 'genre' theme,
but Eoin Colfer manages to add a few twists that you are
very unlikely to see coming. 

This is a light easy-to-read 290 page book that is a
enchanting look into the mind and quirky life of Fletcher
'Half Moon' Moon. It is aimed at a younger audience, but
can still be thoroughly enjoyed by an older reader. I
suggest you buy it for your kids, but read it first 
under the pretense that you must investigate it to make 
sure it doesn't contain any inappropriate material, which
I assure you it does not, but it's a great excuse to read
a delightful kids book. When you're done, then you kids 
can enjoy the great adventures and mysteries of 'Half Moon
Investigations'.

Just passing it along. 

Steve/bboyminn
 




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 18:01:43 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 18:01:43 -0000
Subject: Rant... Ok, Whine... The Life and Death of Stereo.
Message-ID: <f1fse7+41vt@eGroups.com>

What ever happened to 'Stereo'? How could it have such
a grand a glorious life, only to fade away into 
obscurity?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I have a pair of stereo speaker cabinets that I 
designed and built for my college woodworking project.
I carefully calculated the speaker's resonance, plotted
the most aesthetically pleasing dimensions, then carefully
calculated the proper port size, I combined the best 12" 
bass speakers, with the finest mid-range horns, and the 
newest pizo tweeters I could afford. There was a time 
when 'stereo' was a complex blend of art and science. 

Since moving to my  new location, I have been running
my TV through my stereo sound system, it sounds great,
and is especially good when I play movies. However,
do to a combination of enthusiasm and bad hearing, the
volume tends to get a little high. 

I got the idea that if I added some rear speakers I 
could better fill the room with sound and could 
therefore keep the overall volume lower. So, I got the 
'build your own' bug again. Just one problem, where to
get the parts... and that brings me to today's rant.

I remember when every town had a stereo shop, one wall
lined with a large assortment of ready-made speakers,
the opposite wall line with an assortment of amplifiers,
tuners, and receivers, plus a variety of tape decks, 
the back wall lined with 'raw' speakers with suggested 
design plans so you could build your own. (Something I
have done many many times.)

Today, these shops are gone. Trying to find a good stereo
equipment store is like trying to find tropical birds at
the North Pole. Trying to find people who know even the
slightest amount about 'building your own' is even harder.

Even the high fidelity/stereo section of electronic stores
like Best Buy and Circuit City has been relegated to one
small corner with a very limited selection, when at one
time, that section dominated the store. 

Now this is not about Surround Sound vs Two Channel 
Stereo, it is about all high fidelity related equipment.
If that section of the store has been reduced to one 
dimly lite corner, I have to wonder what young people are
doing about good quality music systems. Has the world 
been reduced to crappy computer speakers, headphones, 
and iPods? Are all this kids listening to cringe-worthy 
boom boxes? 

Which brings me to the next section of my rant, 
power ratings. There was a time when the FTC set
a standard for amplifier power rating to prevent
manufactures for stating outrageous over inflated
ratings. Today, that has gone by the wayside. Amplifier
power ratings are a joke. Total Harmonic Distortion 
(THD) would be factional. A THD of 1% is outrageous, 
even a distortion rating of 0.1% is only modest. Yet I 
see Boom Boxes with 10% THD. 

The standard FTC (Federal Trade Commission) rating is
RMS (root-mean-square) at fractional percents of 
distortion. This is a very precise calculation and
measurement that assure that any amplifiers that has
this rating can be fairly compared to any other 
amplifier. Maybe the average Joe can live with 10%
distortion, but I wouldn't let that crap in my 
house. 

Now of course, today, we have the internet, a place 
where you can find anything, and if I look long enough, 
I'm sure I can find a range of 'raw' speakers that might 
server my needs. I just missed the days when people
pursued listening to music with a passion. I miss the
days when I could drive to the store and talk face-to-
face with another person who shared my passion.

I've also noticed that 'do it yourself' electronic
stores have faded into obscurity. Isn't there anyone
any more who longs for the satisfaction and knowledge
of 'doing it themselves'? 

In the mean time, I bought a $60 pair of compact Sony
bookshelf speakers for $25 at the Pawn Shop. Can't 
build speakers for $25. And they are adequate, but
they are also inefficient, meaning not much sound for
the amount of applied power, no mid-rage, poor highs,
and exaggerated 'one-note' bass. That might fool some
people, but it doesn't fool me.

Thanks, I feel better now.

Steve/bboyminn




From alferian at earthlink.net  Fri May  4 17:11:15 2007
From: alferian at earthlink.net (James Maertens)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:11:15 -0000
Subject: Intro from Alferian and Avalon Center
In-Reply-To: <f1btc5+mn7i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1fpfj+7if8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Carol responds:
> Hi, Alferian. Welcome to the group. This isn't a magical education
> question, but I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on the Veil in
> the Death Room of the Ministry of Magic of the Department of Mysteries
> in general. I was wondering specifically if you thought there might be
> some connection between the veiled archway, which seems like a portal
> to the afterlife, and Druid ritual. I've wondered whether the Ministry
> might be built on the site of an ancient Druid site.


Ha!  Interesting idea.  Myself, I wish there were more druids in HP,
but they only get one or two mentions, I believe.  Rowling avoids
referring directly to druids or Wiccan witches probably to keep her
world separate from the real world of druids and witches.  Essentially
druis are wizards and the doorway does have some likeness to a
trilithon (the two upright stones and one on top as at Stonehenge),
but, no I don't see any overt connection there.  

London was a Celtic city before it was a Roman one, IIRC, and of
course is famous as the place where the Head of Bran was deposited to
forever guard Britain from invaders.  But there's little of Celtic
lore and the old divinities in Rowling, alas.  The way she has used
the Faerie folk is mostly as monsters and comic relief, which can't be
earning her any "brownie points" with the Brownies in Scotland.

Of course, the robes, the similarities between Dumbledore and Merlin
-- those are connections to the druids and the old British legends.






From alferian at earthlink.net  Fri May  4 17:04:27 2007
From: alferian at earthlink.net (James Maertens)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:04:27 -0000
Subject: Is LV modeled on Crowley?
In-Reply-To: <f1bv52+bleo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1fp2r+coqv@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius"
> <coriolan@> wrote:
> >
> > Crowley was more of a Lockhart than a Voldemort, IMO.  More than a
> > bit  of a flake, but certainly no evil monster.

I can see your point there about Crowley and his foppishness, but I
don't consider Crowley to be a "flake."  I don't personally consider
him to be a prophet either, but he is quite along the lines of
prophets generally.  Some strong similarities, for example, in Joseph
Smith, the prophet and founder of Mormonism, if you know that story.

You raise an interesting point, though, because Crowley was really the
founder of a religion that employed traditional magical arts and
theories.  Rowling pretty much excludes God and religion from her
books altogether, so they occupy a world that is radically different
culturally than ours.

But I have wondered in looking at Voldemort if he is not setting
himself up as a sort of Prophet or godlike figure.  His followers
treat him that way and it is hard to understand why they would follow
him willingly apart from religious feelings.


>
> > Where did you find the "no good or evil, only power and those too
> > afraid to use it" quote? The closest thing I could find was his
> > motto,
> > "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,"

And that's a phrase that is widely misunderstood because you have to
know what Crowley meant by "will" (and "law" for that matter).
Crowley's writing is very tongue-in-cheek and he liked to shock the
"muggles" as it were.


>
> I can't find the website again that I was looking on before. But
> actually it was one of his followers who said "there is no good or
> evil, etc" and that was L. Ron Hubbard.

L. Ron Hubbard was a Thelemite?  That's news to me.  However, the
statement that Voldemort makes about power and will is much closer to
the philosopher Nietzsche than to Crowley.  For Crowley the Will is
all about self-mastery, not domination of other people.


>
> As I understand it, Crowley was a necromancer, and did do many acts
> of dark magic. I am told that there were secrets of the Golden Dawn
> that were never to be made public and he did.

I am not aware of Crowley ever engaging in necromancy, which is
divination by consulting the dead.  Unless you count his communication
with ancient Egyptians!  He did reveal the rituals and teaching
materials of the Golden Dawn, but that's a complicated story of
struggle between and among leaders of the order.  Israel Regardie,
Crowley's pupil and secretary, was the one who ultimately published
the old Golden Dawn papers and rituals.


 Crowley
> himself said that he was the Anti-Christ. Not true,of coures, but he
> saw himself as evil and it was his desire to be so.

That also is a lot more complicated than Lord Voldemort's self-image,
so far as I can tell.  Crowley hated Christianity, and his mother was
the one who supposedly first nicknamed him "the Beast" when he was
still a child.  He took it up becaue he thought it was funny, just as
he did when the newspapers called him "the wickedest man in the
world."  It was mostly his sex life not his magical practices that got
him that reputation. He was rather a womanizer.

None of that for Lord Voldemort, eh?

How about Rasputin for a model?


-- Alferian






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 21:00:42 2007
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:00:42 -0000
Subject: Rant... Ok, Whine... The Life and Death of Stereo.
In-Reply-To: <f1fse7+41vt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1g6tq+is1l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> What ever happened to 'Stereo'? How could it have such
> a grand a glorious life, only to fade away into 
> obscurity?
<snip>

> I've also noticed that 'do it yourself' electronic
> stores have faded into obscurity. Isn't there anyone
> any more who longs for the satisfaction and knowledge
> of 'doing it themselves'? 
<snip>

Sorry for snipping your rant.  I hear you, though.

Yeah, everything's cheap crap now, even the expensive stuff.

I vividly remember when I had to drag my husband out of every Radio 
Shack.  They used to always have a whole wall of electronic 
components -- capacitors, resistors, diodes, transistors...and all 
kinds of microchips...now it's just phones and gadgets; we never even 
go in there anymore.

Me, I used to like Heathkit.  True, it was all pre-designed, but I 
just liked sorting through all the components and putting them 
together -- sorta like doing models and jigsaw puzzles, I guess.  
That business is long gone -- it's way cheaper just to have the 
Chinese assemble stuff than to box all the pieces up with 
instructions.  So, when they lost the part of the customer base who 
bought the kits to save money, the ones who did it just for fun 
weren't enough to keep the business afloat.

Come to think of it now, I knew a guy in college who, in 1981, built 
himself a personal computer from the microchips up.  Not so long ago, 
my husband would peruse PC Shopper and go to computer shows and build 
his out of individual components -- a motherboard here, video card 
there, monitor, power supply, etc.  Now, he just gets the whole thing 
in a box.

You *can* still sew your own clothes.  You *can't* save money doing 
it, though, by the time you buy everything you need -- you may as 
well have gone to Target.  You'd think at least you'd have the 
advantage of choosing the perfect fabric, but it often seems that the 
sections for quilting fabrics and fleece -- "crafty" type fabric -- 
kind of overwhelm the store, at the expense of having a good 
selection to use for clothing.

Anyway, sorry about the crappy speakers, man.

Annemehr
who is at least planting a little vegetable garden this year





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 02:49:56 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 02:49:56 -0000
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
Message-ID: <f1grck+72a8@eGroups.com>

In honor of JKR, who lives in Edinburgh, I'm posting this (clean) joke
sent to me by a friend and fellow Potterphile. (There's no HP
connection.) I hope someone besides me finds it funny. (If you don't,
well, I'll understand.) I'm not editing the joke, BTW, except for
spacing. (I'm not sure whose the parenthetical asides are; they may be
my friend's uncle's since he sent her the joke. Anyway, the joke
starts here:

Tony Blair is visiting an Edinburgh hospital (just making sure there's
still one left!). He enters a ward full of patients with no obvious
sign of injury or illness and greets one. 

The patient replies: 

Fair fa your honest sonsie face, 
Great chieftain o the puddin race,
Aboon them a ye take yer place,
Painch, tripe or thairm, 
As langs my airm. 

Blair is confused (easily done), so he just grins and moves on to the
next patient. The patient responds:  

Some hae meat an canna eat,
And some wad eat that want it, 
But we hae meat an we can eat, 
So let the Lord be thankit. 

Even more confused (it ain't hard!), and his grin now rictus-like,*
the PM moves on to the next patient, who immediately begins to chant: 

Wee sleekit, cowerin, timorous beasty,
O the panic in thy breasty, 
Thou needna start awa sae hastie,
Wi bickering brattle 

Now seriously troubled (always thought so), Blair turns to the
accompanying doctor and asks, "Is this a psychiatric ward?" 

"No," replies the doctor, "this is the serious Burns unit." 


Anyway, I hope even one person (besides me) got a laugh out of this
joke. I'll bet JKR would like it.

Carol, wishing she could sign off in Scots dialect and hoping she
won't need to explain the punchline

*"Rictus" is evidently a British expression for having a gaping mouth,
hence the tickling charm, "Rictussempra" (Geoff or someone will
correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure)




From wuff at internode.on.net  Sat May  5 03:43:58 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:43:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Rant... Ok, Whine... The Life and Death
 of Stereo.
In-Reply-To: <f1g6tq+is1l@eGroups.com>
References: <f1g6tq+is1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <463BFD7E.3080209@internode.on.net>


> Come to think of it now, I knew a guy in college who, in 1981, built 
> himself a personal computer from the microchips up.  Not so long ago, 
> my husband would peruse PC Shopper and go to computer shows and build 
> his out of individual components -- a motherboard here, video card 
> there, monitor, power supply, etc.  Now, he just gets the whole thing 
> in a box.

That is still do-able if you go to a small computer shop, family owned 
etc. and in Australia there are weekend computer markets where you can
buy older components and discounted stock which the local shops simply
want to move... usually fairly new, still boxed.

Really, buying all the parts will still make a better machine than any
branded machine could ever be.

BTW: Stereo also comes in photography.

I have a camera with a lens for each eye which takes two photos [slides]
at once. when you look at the result through something like a viewmaster
viewer, you have 3D shots of your family.

I have some beautiful photos of my family.

I rarely use it though now because I mainly use digital.


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat May  5 05:31:18 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 01:31:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
In-Reply-To: <f1grck+72a8@eGroups.com>
References: <f1grck+72a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c78ed6$9bda9ed0$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Very good, carol! <Grin>  Some might  not catch it, but I sure got a smile.

Well, I just saw something on my local New Jersey news that cracked me up.
Apparently, a joke article was put into the Princeton paper which said that
Daniel Radcliffe was going to be attending Princeton come 2011.  Well, some
didn't read the article all through and took that part as gospel truth and
were ready to do all they could to get on his good side.  Oh--did I have a
good laugh.

The report, too, was very well done; they used clips from the movies with
great accuracy, and I was really surprised as I usually find that particular
news station sounds a bit amateurish.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 06:15:36 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 06:15:36 -0000
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
In-Reply-To: <f1grck+72a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1h7e8+939q@eGroups.com>

---  "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> " ... serious Burns unit." 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I hope even one person (besides me) got a laugh
> out of this joke. I'll bet JKR would like it.
> 

bboyminn:

'serious Burns' that cracked me up. I laughed out loud,
thought about it, and laughed again. It still makes
me laugh every time I think about it.

You clever girl you.

Steve/bboyminn




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat May  5 06:43:59 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 06:43:59 -0000
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
In-Reply-To: <f1grck+72a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1h93f+j71m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

<Snipped>

> Now seriously troubled (always thought so), Blair turns to the
> accompanying doctor and asks, "Is this a psychiatric ward?" 
> 
> "No," replies the doctor, "this is the serious Burns unit." 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I hope even one person (besides me) got a laugh out of this
> joke. I'll bet JKR would like it.
> 
> Carol, wishing she could sign off in Scots dialect and hoping she
> won't need to explain the punchline
> 
> *"Rictus" is evidently a British expression for having a gaping mouth,
> hence the tickling charm, "Rictussempra" (Geoff or someone will
> correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure)

Geoff:
I'm not so sure about a laugh... I groaned at the punch line. It's
almost as bad as some of the jokes I used to inflict on my pupils.
:-)

The rumbling you can hear is probably Robbie turning in his grave...

"Rictus" is defined in my dictionary as having a fixed grin - which 
rather describes how Tony often seems to appear in public.

And, of course, Edinburgh being "Auld Reekie" and also the current 
home of a well-known writer who holds the fate of a certain young 
guy called Harry in her hands, reminds me of Grimmauld Place.







From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 08:41:56 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 08:41:56 -0000
Subject: Is LV modeled on Crowley?
In-Reply-To: <f1fp2r+coqv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1hg0k+qdfe@eGroups.com>

> Alferian

> I don't consider Crowley to be a "flake."  I don't personally 
consider him to be a prophet either, but he is quite along the 
lines of prophets generally.  Some strong similarities, for 
example, in Joseph Smith, the prophet and founder of Mormonism, 
if you know that story.

Goddlefrood:

I'm glad this has come up again, it will allow for a little 
expansion on the sentiments in my previous. I always make sure
that my enemy, in this case Crowley, is known to me before I
comment.

Aleister Crowley had an extremely warped viewpoint. If he was or
ever has been considered a prophet then the chances are he 
considered himself such and potentially some weak-willed and
ill-advised followers of his did too. 

The similarity suggested to Joseph Smith and the Mormons is 
hardly prescient. Without wishing to offend that church, it has 
been considered at times a little unconventional, but it did 
not start out from an atheist perspective as Crowley did. His 
whole dogma can be summed up in a single quote from him, that 
being:

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

The system espoused by him hardly involved a recognisable form
of any religion, what it did resemble more than most, and if 
you know it, is the film "The Devil Rides Out". IMDB could
advise you if you're unfamiliar with it ;)

> Alferian:

> You raise an interesting point, though, because Crowley was 
really the founder of a religion that employed traditional 
magical arts and theories.

Goddlefrood:

It was not a religion in the normal understanding of that term. 
It was more of a philosophy and the distinction between the two 
is important if one is to try to understand more about this man, 
which I couldn't advise, but which I had to do due to it having 
come up in a legal argument in which I was once involved. I won 
that btw ;), and was arguing against the basic philosophy, so 
come at this now from a position of some authority.

I also, unfortunately, had to read certain of Crowley's writings, 
which are tawdry and dreadfully written IMO, as part of that 
process. This is why when I see any mention of this twisted 
individual I feel compelled to intervene. He does not deserve
to be remembered as far as I'm concerned.

> Alferian:

> L. Ron Hubbard was a Thelemite?  That's news to me.  However, 
the statement that Voldemort makes about power and will is much 
closer to the philosopher Nietzsche than to Crowley. For Crowley 
the Will is all about self-mastery, not domination of other 
people.

Goddlefrood:

It was to me also, one reason I did not address it before. L. 
Ron Hubbard is credited with being the founder of the Church of 
Scientology, which, while it has been criticised in some circles,
is still recognisably monotheistic and does not try to subvert
amnything, as Crowley did, particularly morals.

If Crowley's writing was tongue-in-cheek I'd appreciate an 
expansion on that, preferrably off list as I strongly disagree.

IMO he was incapable of anything subtle whatsoever and as I 
pointed out in my previous fled to Sicily to escape arrest 
and imprisonment for some terrible crimes.

What is apparent is that Alferian's piece appears to itself be 
rather tongue-in-cheek ;).

> Alferian:

> How about Rasputin for a model?

Goddlefrood:

He may have more possibilities but it would be hard to fit LV to
the pattern of Rasputin having been the power behind the throne 
of Russia, or so it is widely believed, wrongly in my opinion, 
but there it is. Rasputin was, of course, rather a tricky customer
to kill, as will LV be :)

All the best

The site you were thinking of is probably this one:

http://www.lashtal.com

I wouldn't advise too thorough a study of it, mind you ;)

Goddlefrood




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 08:59:38 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 08:59:38 -0000
Subject: Is LV modeled on Crowley?
In-Reply-To: <f1hg0k+qdfe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1hh1q+682q@eGroups.com>

Signing back in to sign out again with a thought from Erasmus, 
who wrote not only my favourite all time quote, that being:

"When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I 
buy food and clothes."

But also two that could apply to a certain A. Crowley, those 
being:

"Man's mind is so formed that it is far more susceptible to 
falsehood than to truth."

and:

"What is popularly called fame is nothing but an empty name and 
a legacy from paganism."

Toodle Oo

Goddlefrood





From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 09:12:22 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 09:12:22 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts, A History
In-Reply-To: <832804.39602.qm@web36812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f1hhpm+vj3u@eGroups.com>

> > Lesley:

> > Is anyone else out there as eager as i am to read the much 
> > referenced Hogwarts, A History? Perhaps JKR should write 
> > it for charity!

> MJ:

> I agree, 200% percent!!!!!

Goddlefrood, letting his normal reserve slip ;):

I third this motion, please, please, please consider it as a Red
Nose Day project Ms. Rowling, millions would be forever in your
debt, if they're not already :-)

;;) Pretty Please





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 15:26:42 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:26:42 -0000
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
In-Reply-To: <f1h7e8+939q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1i7ni+aoub@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > Anyway, I hope even one person (besides me) got a laugh out of
this joke. I'll bet JKR would like it.
> > 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> 'serious Burns' that cracked me up. I laughed out loud, thought
about it, and laughed again. It still makes me laugh every time I
think about it.
> 
> You clever girl you.


Thanks, but I didn't invent the joke. I'll tell my friend to tell her
uncle that several people got a laugh out of it. Or more than one
laugh. :-)

Carol




From hutchingslesley at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 17:28:24 2007
From: hutchingslesley at yahoo.co.uk (lesley)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 17:28:24 -0000
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
In-Reply-To: <f1h93f+j71m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1iero+hqbt@eGroups.com>

Carol:
> Anyway, I hope even one person (besides me) got a laugh out of this
> joke. I'll bet JKR would like it.


Thanks that was great. My dad was from Edinburgh and reading the
scottish bits i could hear his voice and accent from when he used to
read to me from his Robbie Burns poem book, that was before i got to
the punchline so it made it even funnier, my dad would have loved
it. He died 12 years ago when i was only 23 and i haven't remembered
his voice as clearly as that for a long time, so thank you for
making me laugh and for making me cry. JKR would love it as well i'm
sure. ps...dad was a labour voter but he would still have cackled.
Lesley. x




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sat May  5 18:42:40 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:42:40 EDT
Subject: Tony Blair in an Edinburgh hospital joke
Message-ID: <d58.875e8b5.336e2a20@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 5/5/2007 5:06:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

"No,"  replies the doctor, "this is the serious Burns unit."  



~~~~~
 
Oh, Carol, this is hilarious! Thank you so much. Our city (in western  
Oregon) used to have a Burns festival each year. I'll forward your joke to  several 
friends.
 
---Mary, still giggling and trying to explain it to her 16 year  old





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From vredeacademy at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 18:56:59 2007
From: vredeacademy at yahoo.com (vredeacademy)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 18:56:59 -0000
Subject: Phoenix Ortus - A HP Canon RPG
Message-ID: <f1ik1r+3duh@eGroups.com>

Name of Board: Phoenix Ortus
Link to Board: http://z6.invisionfree.com/phoenix_ortus/index.php  
RPG Catagory: Harry Potter Canon, Post-Hogwarts
Contact Details: PM Harry Potter. Email: lahunter1 at charter.net. AIM: 
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Activity: Active
Difficulty: Intermediate to Advanced
Rating: PG-13 to R
Types of Characters/Creatures allowed: Wizards, Witches, Squibs, 
Muggles, Werewolves, Vampires.
Time of where the RP is set in: Present. But future as far as the HP 
characters are concerned.

Plot/Story: Phoenix Ortus, or Phoenix Rising, explores our favorite 
characters yet still allows for creative license. With each new day, 
our beloved characters wake to new and more dangerous tasks then when 
they went to bed. This Canon, Harry Potter RPG is Part II of an epic 
series. Follow your favorite characters through their adult lives and 
be apart of the ride that Phoenix Ortus will embark on. No character 
is left behind in this inclusive and involved plot. Five years have 
come and gone since Harry Potter graduated Hogwarts and defeated Lord 
Voldemort, but the Wizarding World is always moving ? and growing. 
For the first time since the end of the war, havoc has struck. A 
ministry building had been destroyed in a fiery blast leaving only 
one survivor ? Delilah Pruwitt otherwise known as Delilah Potter. 
This one incident sets a chain of events that bring the Wizarding 
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Dark forces perhaps more ominous then ever before are arising, 
casting a shadow of the fear of the unknown. The Phoenix will rise. 
The stars will realign. And will darkness fall?

As of May 5, 2007: 

Phoenix Ortus has undergone a board cleaning!!

AND a new rule has been instated: Every member MUST post once a week, 
pending notification with an administrator.

Phoenix is looking for ACTIVE members interested in participating in 
an engaging and healthy board!

Harry Potter has returned to London and is awaiting the results of 
his paternity test with Delilah Pruwitt. The Wizarding World has once 
again been thrown into a hail storm of darkness and is struggling to 
cope. The perfect couple, Charlie and Samantha Weasley, have hit 
bumpy roads now that Draco Malfoy has entered the picture. And with 
Samantha's younger half sister coming to stay, will she be able to 
set a good example? Doubtful. Ron and Hermione continue their uphill 
battle to overcome the little things in the favor of love, but 
adjusting to sharing a flat is no easy arrangement. And what has 
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missing?

Your character will be as involved as any cannon and everyone will 
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Available Canons Include: Ron Weasley, Remus Lupin, Nymphadora Tonks, 
Seamus Finnigan, Arthur Weasley, Molly Weasley, Bill Weasley, Fleur 
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Get 'em while they're hot! The Phoenix is waiting for you!





From juli17 at aol.com  Sun May  6 07:03:24 2007
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 03:03:24 EDT
Subject: Hogwarts, A History
Message-ID: <c4d.140be151.336ed7bc@aol.com>

 


>  > Lesley:

> > Is anyone else out there as eager as i am to  read the much 
> > referenced Hogwarts, A History? Perhaps JKR should  write 
> > it for charity!

> MJ:

> I agree, 200%  percent!!!!!

Goddlefrood, letting his normal reserve slip ;):

I  third this motion, please, please, please consider it as a Red
Nose Day  project Ms. Rowling, millions would be forever in your
debt, if they're not  already :-)

;;) Pretty Please



Julie:
To be very honest, I'm not too keen on reading Hogwarts, A  History. I mean,
I would read it if it were published, but we've already gotten a fair idea  
of the
history of Hogwarts (and will no doubt get more in DH). There are so  many 
other aspects of the Harry Potter world I'd love to know more about.  If JKR
did decide to elucidate more on an element of Harry Potter and/or the  WW
in general, here are some titles I'd like her to consider:
 
Severus Snape, A History  
 
Remus Lupin, the Missing Years
 
Dark Arts or No? How to Differentiate a Dark Spell  from One that Merely 
Appears Dark 
 
An Atlas of the Wizarding World 
 
Advanced Potion Making by The Half-Blood Prince
 
Great Family Trees of the Wizarding World, 1642-present
 
The Further Adventures of the Ford Anglia and Sirius's Motorbike 
 
--okay, I'm mostly kidding on that last one! And I'm sure there are  more...

I'd also love to read the backstories JKR mentioned for various  characters, 
her
more interesting or informative plot notes, diagrams, drawings, etc, which  I 
supposed might be called The Creating of Harry Potter, or some such. 
 
Julie 
 
 
 
 
 



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From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 09:28:48 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 09:28:48 -0000
Subject: Other Potential Books? (Was Re: Hogwarts, A History)
In-Reply-To: <c4d.140be151.336ed7bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f1k74h+urtb@eGroups.com>

> Julie (naming some possible titles to see):

> Severus Snape, A History

Goddlefrood (not responding to all):

Please spare us from this one ;)

> Julie:

> Remus Lupin, the Missing Years

Goddlefrood:

The Wanderings of a Werewolf :-?, could be interesting, but I 
doubt it ;-)

> Julie:

> Dark Arts or No? How to Differentiate a Dark Spell  from One 
that Merely Appears Dark

Goddlefrood:

This one I'd like to see, there's not much to distinguish between
what is dark and what is light so far.

> Julie:

> An Atlas of the Wizarding World 

Goddlefrood:

I'd have to say no to this, as the wizarding world is the same 
as ours, therefore, any AA atlas would suffice ;)

> Julie:
 
> Great Family Trees of the Wizarding World, 1642-present

Goddlefrood:

Other than the tapestry, then? That was a single page and covered
many of the families in play, the purebloods anyway, what could
such a book add, one wonders?

> Julie:

> The Further Adventures of the Ford Anglia and Sirius's Motorbike 

Goddlefrood:

If it had the addition of "and their offspring", then I'd be 
intrigued indeed on this one.

It would, though, setting aside levity for a moment, be 
interesting to one day have some of Ms. Rowling's notes and
backstories published, and there may be some hope of that, I
seem to recall, although I'm not hunting for it just now, that
she has said this might happen in an interview.

I'd still say Hogwarts, a History would be of great interest to
many and there really isn't actually all that much history of the
school in the books so far. There may be a little more to come in
DH, but that would probably, at least IMO, not be much at all. If
it is there then it will pertain to the founders rather than any
other aspect, which there would be plenty of in a school of 1000 
or so years old.

As a further suggestion for another possible book, how about 
"Down and out with a rat" relative to Peter, he's a character 
that interests me strangely :-)

Goddlefrood




From specialcritters at hotmail.com  Sun May  6 10:58:40 2007
From: specialcritters at hotmail.com (Lee Truslow)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 06:58:40 -0400
Subject: other reads: Rick Riordan
In-Reply-To: <f1ik1r+3duh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-F35607FEDC54FA9A11F12A0B2460@phx.gbl>

I forgot to mention that the Percy Jackson series, by Rick Riordan, has been 
enjoyable and helpful with the back-mythology of HP. My mythology knowledge 
isn't good, so this is quite painless. 
http://amazon.com/gp/product/1423101456/ref=pd_cp_b_2/104-3558435-1123931?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=1DGC8KZ29T7W5477CPB6&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=252362401&pf_rd_i=043979143X 
is to the latest  book, #3, "The Titan's Curse."

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From enlil65 at gmail.com  Sun May  6 15:06:26 2007
From: enlil65 at gmail.com (Peggy Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:06:26 -0000
Subject: Rant... Ok, Whine... The Life and Death of Stereo.
In-Reply-To: <463BFD7E.3080209@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <f1kqti+5veg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>
> BTW: Stereo also comes in photography.
> 
> I have a camera with a lens for each eye which takes two photos [slides]
> at once. when you look at the result through something like a viewmaster
> viewer, you have 3D shots of your family.
> 
> I have some beautiful photos of my family.
> 
> I rarely use it though now because I mainly use digital.

You can take stereo photos without a stereo camera, although if you
want photos of your family they will have to stand still for a bit. 
Simply take the photo, shift over a few inches to one side carefully,
and take a second photo.  Now you can view the two photos together to
make one stereo image.  I used to do this all the time.

Peggy Wilkins/
We Kingly Pigs





From wuff at internode.on.net  Sun May  6 15:30:45 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 01:30:45 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Rant... Ok, Whine... The Life and Death
 of Stereo.
In-Reply-To: <f1kqti+5veg@eGroups.com>
References: <f1kqti+5veg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <463DF4A5.4000604@internode.on.net>

Peggy Wilkins wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Wolfie!" <wuff at ...> wrote:
>> BTW: Stereo also comes in photography.
>>
>> I have a camera with a lens for each eye which takes two photos [slides]
>> at once. when you look at the result through something like a viewmaster
>> viewer, you have 3D shots of your family.
>>
>> I have some beautiful photos of my family.
>>
>> I rarely use it though now because I mainly use digital.
> 
> You can take stereo photos without a stereo camera, although if you
> want photos of your family they will have to stand still for a bit. 
> Simply take the photo, shift over a few inches to one side carefully,
> and take a second photo.  Now you can view the two photos together to
> make one stereo image.  I used to do this all the time.
> 
> Peggy Wilkins/
> We Kingly Pigs

Yes, that kind of works, but you have the problem of time, where
something will move, but it's fine for still life, statues and things.

-- 
               Wolfie Rankin on Secondlife.

         Kookaburra Pub Owner / ABC Friends Admin

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                  Skype - Wolfie_storr

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                     Made in Eragon

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May  6 17:02:34 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 17:02:34 -0000
Subject: Accents (was: Profanity in Russian speech WAS Re: HP in translation
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Laura Ingalls Huntley wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/32047>:
>

<< <rant> Oh, and if I could just get my peers (or at least my cousins
and brother) to quit saying "friggin'" every other friggin' word, my
sanity would be greatly improved. ^_~  I mean, what *is* that?  Why do
they feel the need to use it so often?  How, in the name of all that
is holy, can I make them stop? </rant> >>

You probably CAN'T make them stop, and may be amusing them by trying.

They may keep repeating the same adjective because they like the
rhythm that it gives their speech -- a somewhat monotonous rhythm, but
the drum or bass doesn't have to be fancy to lay down the melody track
on it.

Anthropologist Edward T. Hall wrote of US soldiers (in the 1950s) that
 they learned in informal training that using an F-word as every part
of speech in each sentence was a signal that this is an ordinary
communication; the excessive profanity being skipped when it is an
emergency.

<< Ha!  If people ask, I generally tell them that I don't have an
accent, but what I really mean is that I have the same accent as
roughly 80% of people on American TV. >>

It is said that when television came in (I don't know what they did
for network radio before then), the networks decided what accent would
be standard, and chose that of Salt Lake City. It seems to be that,
even then, the accent of Salt Lake City would have been a 'melting
pot' of different regional accents joined together.

<< I was living in Scotland last semester, and one of the weirdest
things for me was that the vast majority of British people I met in
passing (store clerks, etc.) couldn't tell I was American from my
accent. >>

I don't know about your accent, but my acquaintance Gail Barton (the
artist) grew up in Arvada, Nevada. I guess Arvada is a Denver suburb
now, but it was settled by miners and apparently is recognized locally
as having an Arvada accent. Nothing that I ever noticed. But she said
that when she visited Britain, she got into a conversation with an old
lady on a bus who said: "You must be from Wales" because of her accent
(answer: "No, my great-grandfather was from Wales").

I declare this a place to throw in a comment on Carol's comment on
Russion accents. Over the years, on the radio I have heard a lot of
clips of voices with Russian accents, and it seems to me that there
are at least three different Russian accents, one of which is quite
sexy, and the others are hideous.




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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 02:54:09 2007
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 02:54:09 -0000
Subject: Other Potential Books? (Was Re: Hogwarts, A History)
In-Reply-To: <f1k74h+urtb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1m4ch+um30@eGroups.com>


> > Julie (naming some possible titles to see):
> > Severus Snape, A History

> Goddlefrood:
> Please spare us from this one ;)


Kemper now:
I agree with Goddlefrood.  A better book would be 'I, Severus' an 
autobiography. 

To add, I would like to read 'The Brothers Creevey' and 'Mrs. Figg' (a 
day in the life of a Mrs. Figg kind of like Woolf's Mrs. Dalloway, but 
without the tedious stream of consciousness).

Kemper




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 16:37:11 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 16:37:11 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts, A History
In-Reply-To: <c4d.140be151.336ed7bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f1nkjn+ni72@eGroups.com>

Julie:
> To be very honest, I'm not too keen on reading Hogwarts, A  History.
I mean, I would read it if it were published, but we've already gotten
a fair idea of the history of Hogwarts (and will no doubt get more in
DH). There are so  many other aspects of the Harry Potter world I'd
love to know more about.  If JKR did decide to elucidate more on an
element of Harry Potter and/or the  WW in general, here are some
titles I'd like her to consider:
>  
> Severus Snape, A History  
>  
> Remus Lupin, the Missing Years
>  
> Dark Arts or No? How to Differentiate a Dark Spell  from One that
Merely Appears Dark 
>  
> An Atlas of the Wizarding World 
>  
> Advanced Potion Making by The Half-Blood Prince
>  
> Great Family Trees of the Wizarding World, 1642-present
<snip>
> I'd also love to read the backstories JKR mentioned for various 
characters, her more interesting or informative plot notes, diagrams,
drawings, etc, which  I supposed might be called The Creating of Harry
Potter, or some such. 

Carol:

I agree with most of your list (the atlas doesn't interest me much),
but I'd add a history of the WW itself, preferably with as little
emphasis as possible on goblin rebellions and giant wars. And I'd read
Hogwarts: History with a bit more enthusiasm than you would,
especially the part about the Founders and the Sorting Hat. (Of
course, it would have to be revised to tell "what really happened"
with Moaning Myrtle's murder and the death of Dumbledore (alliteration
deliberate, :-) ). And Snape. anything and everything Snape.

But I'd also be interested (and I'm probably among the few) in a
history of her drafts and revisions (along the lines of Christopher
Tolkien's "History of Middle Earth" (in which we see Bingo Baggins
(Frodo) and Trotter the Ranger, a Hobbit who wears wooden shoes). How
different from the final books was the original conception? What role
did the editors play? How carefully did she plan? What changes did the
editors make? I think we'll find out who the two characters who
weren't originally scheduled to die and the one who got a reprieve
are, along with the rejected titles for DH, but I'd like to know a lot
more about the books as a work in progress.

I'd like to see more of the kinds of things that you "win" as a reward
for finding potion ingredients, etc., on JKR's website, but in a more
readable format. In particular, I'd like to read that dialogue between
Draco Malfoy and Theodore Nott that never made it into the books. I
doubt that it will appear in DH with both of their fathers in Azkaban
(assuming that Nott Sr.'s injury wasn't serious) and Draco on the Most
Wanted list.

Carol, who would regard these rejected drafts as might-have-been canon
rather than canon but is still interested in JKR's writing process




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 16:56:25 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 16:56:25 -0000
Subject: Accents  - Friggin'
In-Reply-To: <f1l1na+n8ls@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1nlnp+7tsf@eGroups.com>

---  "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> Laura Ingalls Huntley wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/32047>:
> >
> 
> << <rant> Oh, and if I could just get my peers (or at
> least my cousins and brother) to quit saying "friggin'"
> every other friggin' word, my sanity would be greatly 
> improved. ^_~  I mean, what *is* that?  Why do they 
> feel the need to use it so often?  How, in the name 
> of all that is holy, can I make them stop? </rant> >>
>

> Catlady:
> 
> You probably CAN'T make them stop, and may be amusing
> them by trying.
> 
> They may keep repeating the same adjective because 
> they like the rhythm that it gives their speech -- a
> somewhat monotonous rhythm, but the drum or bass 
> doesn't have to be fancy to lay down the melody track
> on it.
> ...

bboyminn:

Here is a suggestion, have your relatives (nephews, 
nieces, brothers, etc...) look up that word in the
dictionary...yes, it really is in there...then see
how eager they are to say it, and how eager you are
to allow it.

Keep in mind that /friggin'/ is a contraction for
/frigging/ which is in turn based on the root word
/Frig/.

To speed things along -

American Heritage, 1994, 3rd Edition, ver. 3.6a CD-ROM

frig - v. frigged, frig?ging, frigs. - /Vulgar. Slang./
1. To have sexual intercourse with. 
--intr. To have sexual intercourse. 
[Middle English, to quiver, possibly from Old French 
/friquer/, to rub, from Latin /fricare/.]

So, they might just as well be saying 'f*cking', if 
you'll pardon my /French/.

The difference is that the other 'F'-word is /obscene/,
and this frigging 'F'-word is merely vulgar. 

I suspect they don't even realize that this is a real
word, nor do they realize what it really means, though
I have no doubt that they realize that they are using 
it as a substitute for a word of similar meaning.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn 




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon May  7 17:19:59 2007
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:19:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Accents - Friggin'
In-Reply-To: <f1nlnp+7tsf@eGroups.com>
References: <f1l1na+n8ls@eGroups.com> <f1nlnp+7tsf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400705071019k1dad6abanee7a7398f6656730@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/7/07, Steve <bboyminn at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So, they might just as well be saying 'f*cking', if

Heh, I'd love it if a dictionary did spell f*cking with the asterisk
in place as a variation of the original spelling. ;-)

Dina



From tuck1013 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  7 17:56:06 2007
From: tuck1013 at yahoo.co.uk (tuck1013)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:56:06 -0000
Subject: new to fanfic
Message-ID: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>

Hi,

   I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good 
sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.

Thanks

Caroline




From legrinstl at charter.net  Mon May  7 19:19:01 2007
From: legrinstl at charter.net (legrinstl at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:19:01 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to fanfic
Message-ID: <2102171977.1178565541864.JavaMail.root@fepweb13>

Here's a link to Portkey.  It's a H/Hr fanfic site.

http://fanfiction.portkey.org/fanfiction

some of the authors I would recommend are Aaran St. Vines (The Granger Defense), canoncansodoff (Muggle Summer), Bingblot, Amynoelle, cheering charm, DonovanPotter, Solomon Aegis (Harry Potter and the Final Enchantment), spacegal, mathiasgranger, TheGreatFox2000, madscientist, Lynney (Magic Never Dies), Golasgil Sindar (Summer of Despair and Hope), Twitch E. Littleferret, JanieB, cew-smoke (The Mad Scientist of Leakwood Manor), Vicarious Leigh, and MisCard to name a few.

These stories cover almost all categories except for Angst.  I really don't like Angst.

Happy reading!

Eleanna

---- tuck1013 <tuck1013 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
>    I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good 
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Caroline
> 




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Mon May  7 19:30:14 2007
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:30:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to fanfic
In-Reply-To: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
References: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5913e6f80705071230h5e266f5bu24320f4a7a70048a@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/7/07, tuck1013 <tuck1013 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>    I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.
>

FictionAlley.org has fanfics of all ships (and all genres, eras,
themes and lengths, too) - you can use the search engine at
http://forums.fictionalley.org/fics/search.php to find fics by ship,
character, length, era, etc.

There's also "communities" for every ship in the FictionAlley park
forums - http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=36
- look for the thread for the ship(s) you like and  you'll be able to
see a lot of recs, and ask for some, too!


- Heidi



From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon May  7 20:01:42 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:01:42 -0000
Subject: new to fanfic
In-Reply-To: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1o0j6+jrdb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tuck1013" <tuck1013 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
>    I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good 
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Caroline

Geoff:
www.fanfiction.net is a very wide ranging site covering far more than just Harry Potter but 
has an ENORMOUS database of HP fanfictions. When you get there, go to "Book".




From jeopardy18 at comcast.net  Tue May  8 01:46:56 2007
From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:46:56 -0000
Subject: new to fanfic
In-Reply-To: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1okqg+q9op@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tuck1013" <tuck1013 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
>    I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any 
good 
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione 
shipper.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Caroline
>


Check out the Slytherin Rising series by J.L. Matthews on ffn and 
Fiction Alley.  There are also a number of good stories on Twisting 
the Hellmouth. 




From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Tue May  8 21:50:02 2007
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:50:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] new to fanfic
In-Reply-To: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
References: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2bb52abcac40b7674c89e3f1bb772af3@fandm.edu>

Caroline
> I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.

Well, the obvious answer to this query is the Paradigm of Uncertainty 
Series by Lori Summers.  You can find it on Fiction Alley or at her own 
mailing list, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty/ in 
the files section.

The series is currently on book three (The Hero with a Thousand Faces), 
and hasn't been updated in awhile, but Lori promises us she hasn't 
abandoned it, and I believe her. ^_~

Paradigm of Uncertainty is the first book -- it starts off a little 
awkwardly, IMO, but Lori is a fantastic writer, and she finds her feet 
pretty quickly.

This is my all-time favorite fanfiction in any fandom, ever -- have fun!

Laura




From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  8 22:28:53 2007
From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (Kirstini)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:28:53 -0000
Subject: Seeking HP fans in Edinburgh and Glasgow
Message-ID: <f1qtj5+8p9l@eGroups.com>

Hello!
Long-time member and former List Elf here, sneaking sheepishly back 
into the fold...
Actually, I have hidden motivation for returning. I'm writing an 
article for a well-known Scottish fortnighly magazine on this terribly 
peculiar habit of queuing outside shops at midnight that seems to be 
all the rage, and I wondered if there's anyone around who has done the 
midnight queue for GOF, OoP or HBP and feels up for chatting with me 
about it over email this week. You'd be quoted in the magazine, I would 
need to use your full (real) name; and I do really need people from 
Edinburgh, Glasgow, or surrounding environs rather than anywhere else.
Please get in touch at some point tomorrow (Wednesday)if you want to be 
involved. 

Looking forward to hearing from you!
Kirstin (formerly known as Teeny Elf...)




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 22:45:09 2007
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:45:09 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
Message-ID: <f1quhl+murp@eGroups.com>

I went to see the new updates in JKR's website today (a few
not-very-thrilling FAQs) and took a quick look at the Links room (the
one with the bookshelves, available by clicking the eyeglasses on the
main desk). While I was in the room Peeves paid his usual visit and
the painting on the left fell off the wall. It turns out that behind
it is typed to the wall a card or something with the sign of Harry's
scar (a thunderbolt) on it. Is that a new feature, or was it always
there? I tried clicking on it for ten minutes with no results <g>.
What do you think it's supposed to signify?

Neri




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 01:39:36 2007
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 01:39:36 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1quhl+murp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1r8oo+p2be@eGroups.com>

It's the clue for the scar-shape you are supposed to draw with the 
pen in the Extra Stuff room, on the piece of paper right next to the 
brush handle -- for a scrapbook item.

Annemehr


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Neri" <nkafkafi at ...> wrote:
>
> I went to see the new updates in JKR's website today (a few
> not-very-thrilling FAQs) and took a quick look at the Links room 
(the
> one with the bookshelves, available by clicking the eyeglasses on 
the
> main desk). While I was in the room Peeves paid his usual visit and
> the painting on the left fell off the wall. It turns out that behind
> it is typed to the wall a card or something with the sign of Harry's
> scar (a thunderbolt) on it. Is that a new feature, or was it always
> there? I tried clicking on it for ten minutes with no results <g>.
> What do you think it's supposed to signify?
> 
> Neri
>





From vredeacademy at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 22:38:21 2007
From: vredeacademy at yahoo.com (vredeacademy)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 22:38:21 -0000
Subject: Vrede Academy - HP RPG
Message-ID: <f1qu4t+aegh@eGroups.com>

Vrede Academy was founded over 1,200 years ago by a Meid de Hele
(Servant of all). Meid was a man who spoke for and with each of the
four elements of magical earth. With this gift he was able to form
the isolated country that would renown him as their hero for
centuries. Upon Meid's death he was followed by four successors, each
of whom represented one fourth of the magical community: man,
creature, earth, and water. These four elders would run this
institution for learning, but Vrede has become so much more than a
magical academy; it became it's own community.

The wizards and witches privileged enough to walk on this isolated
piece of land in the Netherlands are elite and invited only by
personal invitation of one of the four elders. Vrede is the epitome
of light, peace and harmony. But strange and powerful storms have
recently wrought the land; this omniscient presence can mean only one
thing - a dark rising.

The Vredarian people have remained isolated for thousands of years,
untouched by evil. The elders are wise but see no profit in fighting,
only peace can prevail through negotiation. Others who have seen the
dark side of man realize the time for action has come. There are
three sides to every story. As those guided by the elders maintain
their disposition of see no evil, be no evil; two more forces form in
secret: Those wishing to fight for this sacred haven that has become
home, and those who work to corrupt it.

But man is not the only group in this escalating war; the magical
creatures can prove both an asset and a burden. While most exist in
harmony with their human companions who share their land, others
resent having to share at all and look forward to having a place to
call only their own.

The Second Term at Vrede Academy has begun. The school is still sore
from recent losses. Both the Halloween and Start of Term Balls
resulted in destruction. Students are making every effort to restore
the destroyed fields of Schoon Valley and with three students who had
been kidnapped returned to their midst, the school is beginning to
feel whole once more. But still, the repercussions have hardly
vanished. The Head Boy is gone; one among many casualties and those
who were taken into the chambers of Christoph Allen are not likely
forget. But as new students flood the gates of Vrede for the second
term, these alumnis and new entrants must remain untied for
complacency breeds evil and the evil from Vrede Academy is ever
present.

Who shall remain ignorant? Who shall fight? And who shall wreck havoc?
There are three sides to every story, which will you choose?

Vrede Academy has wiped it's slate blank and moved over 1,500 posts
into the archive of First Term. It's a great time to join the ranks
of the Academy and see where your story takes you!

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Vrede_Academy/index.php?act=idx


vredeacademy



From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 03:02:22 2007
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 03:02:22 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1r8oo+p2be@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1rdju+o6pm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Annemehr" <annemehr at ...> wrote:
>
> It's the clue for the scar-shape you are supposed to draw with the 
> pen in the Extra Stuff room, on the piece of paper right next to the 
> brush handle -- for a scrapbook item.
> 
> Annemehr
> 

Thanks. I knew somebody here will be ab;e tp point me in the right
direction.

Neri




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 05:00:39 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 05:00:39 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1rdju+o6pm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1rkhn+3n9a@eGroups.com>

> Neri:

> Thanks. I knew somebody here will be ab;e tp point me in the right
> direction.

Goddlefrood:

As a further pointer www.potterskeys.com has a full listing of how to 
unlock all the hidden goodies on JKR's site.

It may have a different address :-?, but "Potter's Keys" searched on 
google will get it too :-)

Regards




From nkafkafi at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 02:32:47 2007
From: nkafkafi at yahoo.com (Neri)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 02:32:47 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1rkhn+3n9a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1u08f+e6nk@eGroups.com>


> Goddlefrood:
> 
> As a further pointer www.potterskeys.com has a full listing of how to 
> unlock all the hidden goodies on JKR's site.
> 
> It may have a different address :-?, but "Potter's Keys" searched on 
> google will get it too :-)
> 
> Regards
>

Neri:
Actually I did try both potterskeys.com and Google before posting and
didn't find anything (otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to ask here).
Trying again now I've managed to locate it. It's always easier after
you know what you're looking for is really there...

Neri 




From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Thu May 10 04:19:03 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 04:19:03 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1u08f+e6nk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f1u6fn+m97m@eGroups.com>

If you really want instructions to everything, you can use the Guide 
to Jo's official site on the Lexicon. =)
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com.html
I know that sometimes its more fun to try and figure it all out 
yourself, but if you want hints, I'm happy to give them.
Belinda



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Neri" <nkafkafi at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Goddlefrood:
> > 
> > As a further pointer www.potterskeys.com has a full listing of 
how to 
> > unlock all the hidden goodies on JKR's site.
> > 
> > It may have a different address :-?, but "Potter's Keys" searched 
on 
> > google will get it too :-)
> > 
> > Regards
> >
> 
> Neri:
> Actually I did try both potterskeys.com and Google before posting 
and
> didn't find anything (otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to ask 
here).
> Trying again now I've managed to locate it. It's always easier after
> you know what you're looking for is really there...
> 
> Neri
>





From friendsforeveraka at yahoo.co.in  Thu May 10 11:11:07 2007
From: friendsforeveraka at yahoo.co.in (Mrinal Rai)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:11:07 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Drawings
Message-ID: <f1uukb+4i9e@eGroups.com>

Hey Potter fans, Here is some of my work please visit:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/fanart/user/profile/MrinalRai

Mrinal Rai



From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Thu May 10 23:28:34 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:28:34 -0000
Subject: New scar symbol in Rowling's website?
In-Reply-To: <f1u08f+e6nk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f209r2+n2m9@eGroups.com>

> Neri:

> Actually I did try both potterskeys.com and Google before 
> posting and didn't find anything (otherwise I wouldn't have 
> bothered to ask here).

Goddlefrood:

That is most strange :-?. I had thought there were a good number 
of people on the list who might appreciate the information ;-)

These technosquibs often find such things of interest, IMO, 
naturally

Salutamus




From dk59us at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 03:30:14 2007
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:30:14 -0000
Subject: new to fanfic
In-Reply-To: <f1np7m+qr6g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f23cc6+m3tq@eGroups.com>

Caroline
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
>    I am a late starter to HP fanfiction. Can anyone recommend any good 
> sites? I like novel length stories. I am also a Harry/Hermione shipper.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Caroline

Eustace_Scrubb:
As Geoff noted, www.fanfiction.net has loads of HP fan fiction as well
as a huge amount of other varieties of fanfiction.

If you feel like trying something that is Potterverse fanfiction but
not strictly speaking HP fanfiction (that is, Harry and the other HP
characters figure only peripherally--a few are mentioned, none
appear), you could try my own very modest corner of fanfiction.net at 
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/517634/ (or do a pen name search for
Eustace).  There's one finished book, Ethan Lloyd and the Talisman of
Table Mountain, and the first several chapters of a second, Ethan
Lloyd and the Phantom Ship.  These stories take place in North
America, partly inspired by JKR's statement "...if anyone wants to
write about American wizards they are of course free to write their
own book!"--J.K. Rowling, 2004, J. K. Rowling Official Site, FAQ
Section (http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=44).

There are no exchange students; no characters named Mary Sue; Ron and
Hermione don't visit on summer holidays.  The story line does take
place in the Potterverse beginning the summer after GOF and looks at
North American developments that coincide with the return of LV to the
UK.  But the setting and some themes are inspired by the works of
various American authors as well as by JKR.

I make no great claims for the work.  Writing and reading the first
book kept me and my then-8-10 year old entertained during the long
period between OoP and HBP.  Some readers have found it appealing. 
Though development has slowed of late, I am still writing Book 2 and
will finish it.

So FWIW, all are welcome to check it out.

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sun May 13 12:59:46 2007
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:59:46 -0000
Subject: offlist to Alla
Message-ID: <f27242+qubd@eGroups.com>

Alla,

I've been trying to reply to your offlist mail, but keep getting 
message delivery failures... Is your mailbox full or something, or does 
your email just not like me?

cheers,
Dung




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun May 13 14:48:38 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:48:38 -0000
Subject: offlist to Alla
In-Reply-To: <f27242+qubd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f278g6+fu2f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at ...> wrote:
>
> Alla,
> 
> I've been trying to reply to your offlist mail, but keep getting 
> message delivery failures... Is your mailbox full or something, or 
does 
> your email just not like me?
> 
> cheers,
> Dung
>


Alla:

Hey, Dung. Did you try my Yahoo account? No, it is not full, just 
checked. Wierd :)  

Try my gmail account - same name as Yahoo one, only put @gmail.com 
instead of @yahoo.com

Alla




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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 01:41:09 2007
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:41:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "High School Musical"
Message-ID: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I belong to a community theatre troupe in San Francisco (where I live) 
and I think the group is trying to get the rights to produce a show 
known as "High School Musical."
 
We've done many musicals in the past couple years that I've been involved
and have almost always done musicals that I at the very least have heard
of: "The Secret Garden," "Bat Boy," "Seussical," etc.  So I've always 
known just what I was getting into.
 
I've *never* heard of "High School Musical" (abashed to find myself out 
of touch?! getting old?!) and was wondering if people here who are in 
high school or have children who are have ever heard of it.  As I 
understand it, there is even a "High School Musical" board game?!  Ice 
skating show?!
 
I ask because I'm trying to decide what my feelings are about getting 
involved...and if I should sit this one out.  If I get involved, I would 
have to live with the songs running 24/7 in my head for weeks on end!  
Whether I like them or not.
 
Anyone here know if that would be a fate worse than death?
 
I suspect I need to get my hands on a copy of the DVD but none of the 
library's copies were in at this time.
 
Petra
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From gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx  Mon May 14 03:12:25 2007
From: gabolamx at yahoo.com.mx (Gabriela Zambrano)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:12:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "High School Musical"
Message-ID: <383798.17298.qm@web59205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Petra!

It's been a long time since I posted anything here, but I thought I'd de-lurk to answer your question. 
I've seen this movie countless times, I have a ten year old daughter and four nieces, that's why I've seen it so much, all of them (as well as all the children from 3 to 11) are crazy about High School Musical. I found the movie entertaining, it teaches about being yourself, not giving in to peer-pressure, but not in a very dramatic way. If you are looking for a film with great acting, directing, photography, script, etc. this is not it. It's just a movie for children with catchy songs, all of them extremely pop, but good. I'm a school teacher and I would take part in this kind of project, I'm surrounded by children and probably that's why I like it. I suggest you watch the movie first if you can get your hands on it.

Gabriela

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            I belong to a community theatre troupe in San Francisco (where I live) 

and I think the group is trying to get the rights to produce a show 

known as "High School Musical."

 

We've done many musicals in the past couple years that I've been involved

and have almost always done musicals that I at the very least have heard

of: "The Secret Garden," "Bat Boy," "Seussical," etc.  So I've always 

known just what I was getting into.

 

I've *never* heard of "High School Musical" (abashed to find myself out 

of touch?! getting old?!) and was wondering if people here who are in 

high school or have children who are have ever heard of it.  As I 

understand it, there is even a "High School Musical" board game?!  Ice 

skating show?!

 

I ask because I'm trying to decide what my feelings are about getting 

involved...and if I should sit this one out.  If I get involved, I would 

have to live with the songs running 24/7 in my head for weeks on end!  

Whether I like them or not.

 

Anyone here know if that would be a fate worse than death?

 

I suspect I need to get my hands on a copy of the DVD but none of the 

library's copies were in at this time.

 

Petra

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n  :)

 

 

 



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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon May 14 04:50:12 2007
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:50:12 -0400
Subject: Vid: Beautiful Life (Dark Angel) w/ beta + vidder comments
Message-ID: <1a2738400705132150n555a026en7736b57d2e94f45a@mail.gmail.com>

Title: Beautiful Life
Artist: Ace of Base
Vidder: bunniqula
Length/Size: ~03:39 / 19.0megs
Fandom: Dark Angel
Pairing: *Kinda* a Max/Alec-centric vid with some possible Max/Ben.

Link: http://archive.nu/bunniqula/vids/dabelife.wmv

Vidding *against* the usual meaning of the song wasn't how I initially
planned this to turn out, but I ended up liking the end result, which
I consider a bad sign based on past track records (i.e. vids I liked
how they ended up are usually the ones folk want to 'spork' their eyes
out and vice versa).  So, I *definitely* appreciate Giandujakiss for
sparing the time to look over the vid!

She put in the extra mile and then some to do an awesome job and to
help make this a better vid.  Talking about vidding was an enjoyable
experience with her and she has my thanks!  I had mentioned it was
unusual seeing an 'Average Joe' vid discussed and if I may have
permission to share our comments, which she granted.  Since she did a
*thorough* evaluation of the vid, our comments (beta and vidder) are
probably too long to post here for those on digest and not expecting
anything lengthy.  I've posted them to a journal entry at
http://redina.livejournal.com/21552.html along with the beginning
version of this vid.  I'd estimate about four days total was spent
clip gathering and editing this vid, and I think this vid is as ready
as it's going to get at this point in time, thanks to Giandujakiss'
quick responses.

Song choice was inspired by flipping channels and catching the movie,
Night at the Roxbury, which is about two brothers.  This song had been
sitting in a Supernatural Premiere vid project for weeks, possibly
*months*, before being fitted for Dark Angel last Sunday.  It's the
first time in, at least, four years where I hadn't shortened the song
at all for a vid.

Anyway, sometimes, vids don't turn out how you initially planned them
and this was one of those times.  For starters, AFAIK, I've never seen
a DA vid and didn't think I'd vid Dark Angel.  The initial outline
started as being a bit more 'cheery', but the more I listened to the
song, the less 'cheery' the clip choices became (while essentially
optimistic, the song has sad undertones)... and this was while it was
still a Supernatural vid.  I may or may not try again to vid Beautiful
Life for SPN.

Dina



From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 14 13:29:42 2007
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:29:42 +0100
Subject: some cut down visualizations of the Harry Potter books: Lupin, James, and Snape
Message-ID: <00ce01c7962b$f1971900$d4c54b00$@com>

Hi All,

Many of you know that I've been looking at how one might use statistics or
information visualization techniques to analyse the Harry Potter series.
Many of you will also know that I'm not the most "on time" person so I'm now
having a mad rush to get at least something public done before the final
instalment. One thing I thought I'd try was "Many Eyes". Do you know it?
It's an information visualization community site where people can post
data-sets and visualizations of them and then compare findings etc. It's
started by Fernanda Vi?gas
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/visual/fernanda.html  at IBM's Visual
Communications Lab. She did some amazing work visualizing the authorship of
Wikipedia pages, well worth a look if you are interested in that kind of
thing.

Anyway, I've uploaded a bunch of datasets to Many Eyes and some
visualizations that you might enjoy. For each of the words 'Lupin', 'James',
and 'Snape' I've taken the other words that occur within 10 words in the HP
series, and then plotted them. The two plots are a Bubble Chart using the
overall frequency of the word in the series to decide the bubble's size, and
a Tag Cloud where the word size is based on the number of times the word
occurred near the target word.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that will make sense, but here are the visualizations:

'Lupin' Bubble Chart
http://tinyurl.com/2mt6zf 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6C22ESrdWG2- 
'Lupin' Tag Cloud
http://tinyurl.com/35j3m8 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6L2IA44eWG2- 

'James' Bubble Chart
http://tinyurl.com/2kptnp 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6W22ZyXeWG2- 
'James' Tag Cloud
http://tinyurl.com/39tbnh 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6d2IyVgeWG2- 

'Snape' Bubble Chart
http://tinyurl.com/3c39u3 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6v2ICryeWG2- 
'Snape' Tag Cloud
http://tinyurl.com/33y7dy 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6D3YJ_7fWG2- 

I might work on some more (any requests) if the interactions from the Many
Eyes community prove fruitful. Otherwise I'm also hoping to get a web
accessible version of the reverse Text Arc I showed at Accio 2005 working.
I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

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From kkersey at swbell.net  Mon May 14 13:48:09 2007
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:48:09 -0000
Subject: "High School Musical"
In-Reply-To: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f29pap+1l8k@eGroups.com>

Petra, I haven't seen "High School Musical" myself but last fall one
of our local high schools was among a handful selected to do a preview
production (sort of like a movie sneak preview, so the script and
music was still being finalized during that production). A couple of
kids in my son's first grade class saw it and loved it - really,
really loved it.

The stage version is based on a Disney TV movied that came out last
year. Apparently the Disney marketing machine wasn't satisfied with
the DVDs, books, video games, ice shows, etc. and decided to corner
the real-life high school musical market as well. They are expecting
2000 productions this year alone.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A416093

I just checked and wikipedia has huge articles on the movie and the
stage show versions. I'm sure that with all the hype I've seen (and I
don't even have a TV, much less the Disney channel) it shouldn't be
hard to find song or video clips so you can judge for yourself.

Elisabet




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Mon May 14 14:10:45 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:10:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] "High School Musical"
In-Reply-To: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0705140710v70db8aa4ya2df3264911aaef0@mail.gmail.com>

Petra wrote:
> I belong to a community theatre troupe in San Francisco (where I live)
>  and I think the group is trying to get the rights to produce a show
>  known as "High School Musical."
<<SNIP>>
>  I ask because I'm trying to decide what my feelings are about getting
>  involved...and if I should sit this one out.  If I get involved, I would
>  have to live with the songs running 24/7 in my head for weeks on end!
>  Whether I like them or not.
>
>  Anyone here know if that would be a fate worse than death?

I'm not surprised you haven't heard of this.  It started as a Disney
made-for-TV production that really expanded to become this youth pop
culture hit.  Since I avidly watch the Disney Channel - I'm not
ashamed to admit that ^_^ - I have seen this, and the show is really,
really fun.  However, I'm quite surprised that a local theatre troupe
would try to produce it simply because the musical, or at least the
concert version of it, is currently on tour; moreover, because the
thing was written and produced only a year or so ago and there's a
sequel in production, the fact that anyone would attempt thing so
contemporary is something odd to me.  (I liken it to seeing a local
production of Cats while the show was still on Broadway.)

Anyway, get your hands on the DVD - there's a sing-along & dance-along
thing with the DVD, and that'll get you a feel of what it might be
like to be involved in a musical production of it.  I think you'll
really enjoy it, but then again, who am I to be arbiter to taste?  (I
hate Romeo & Juliet, and there are others that insists that the story
is the greatest star-crossed lovers story ever.)

~Ali



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 17:13:30 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:13:30 -0000
Subject: "High School Musical"
In-Reply-To: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f2a5bq+4u2g@eGroups.com>

---  Petra <ms_petra_pan at ...> wrote:
>
> I belong to a community theatre troupe in San Francisco
> (where I live) and I think the group is trying to get 
> the rights to produce a show known as "High School 
> Musical."
>  
> ...
>  
> I've *never* heard of "High School Musical" (abashed to
> find myself out of touch?! getting old?!) and was 
> wondering if people here who are in high school or 
> have children who are have ever heard of it. ...

bboyminn:

Look on the cover of /any/ teen magazine (16, Bop, Tiger
Beat, etc...) and I absolutely guarantee that the cover
will have a picture of Zac Efron on it. Zac Efron was
the star of 'High School Musical', and an instant hit
(ie: heart-throb) with the younger set.

Others have given you the details (Disney TV Movie, etc).
The movie is currently available for rent in most Video 
stores. It is the story of a high school jock and an
outsider girl who decide to try out for a high school 
musical play, and what they have to do to overcome the
general negativity to doing something as 'girly' as
a high school play. 

YouTube.com does have several clips from the movie as
well as clips of amateur productions of the movie, 
including some interviews with the cast. There is one
clip from Adderley School for the Arts in Los Angeles,
California who put on the play at their school, so
certainly it can be done.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From cdayr at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 00:32:45 2007
From: cdayr at yahoo.com (cdayr)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:32:45 -0000
Subject: some cut down visualizations of the Harry Potter books: Lupin, James, and Snape
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7962b$f1971900$d4c54b00$@com>
Message-ID: <f2av3d+8ehi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" <dumbledad at ...> 
wrote:
><snip>

> Anyway, I've uploaded a bunch of datasets to Many Eyes and some
> visualizations that you might enjoy. For each of the 
words 'Lupin', 'James',
> and 'Snape' I've taken the other words that occur within 10 words 
in the HP
> series, and then plotted them. The two plots are a Bubble Chart 
using the
> overall frequency of the word in the series to decide the bubble's 
size, and
> a Tag Cloud where the word size is based on the number of times 
the word
> occurred near the target word.
> 
> Hmmm, I'm not sure that will make sense, but here are the 
visualizations:
> 
> 'Lupin' Bubble Chart
> http://tinyurl.com/2mt6zf 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6C22ESrdW
G2- 
> 'Lupin' Tag Cloud
> http://tinyurl.com/35j3m8 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6L2IA44eW
G2- 
> 
> 'James' Bubble Chart
> http://tinyurl.com/2kptnp 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6W22ZyXeW
G2- 
> 'James' Tag Cloud
> http://tinyurl.com/39tbnh 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6d2IyVgeW
G2- 
> 
> 'Snape' Bubble Chart
> http://tinyurl.com/3c39u3 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6v2ICryeW
G2- 
> 'Snape' Tag Cloud
> http://tinyurl.com/33y7dy 
> 
http://services.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/view/SGXXRFsOtha6D3YJ_7fW
G2- 
> 
<snip>

Celia here:
Dumbledad, these are amazing and I find them rather beautiful. In 
particular I enjoyed looking at the Tag Clouds. A few things I found 
fascinating:

The high frequency of "eyes" and "face" for all three of these 
characters.
The enormous "looked" for Lupin. (Also quite large for Snape.)
The sadly huge "killed" for James.
I also enjoyed the equal frequency of "dementor" and "chocolate" for 
Lupin. 

I will definitely return to these again, as they have so much 
detail. The Tag Clouds truly read like strange poems to me. Thanks 
for all the work.

Celia




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From annbosco at rogers.com  Tue May 15 16:13:42 2007
From: annbosco at rogers.com (poetryfreedom)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:13:42 -0000
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
Message-ID: <f2cm7m+pctq@eGroups.com>

"Don't get your next HP in a plastic bag!"

That's the message that we want to send to EVERYONE who is going to buy 
a HP book...which will mean millions. 

If we manage to get this message around the globe, by us sending an 
email to all our friends, we will save millions of bags from entering 
the waste stream, ON ONE DAY! So please, start emailing now. Just 
say "don't put HP in a plastic bag". We only have two months.

If you are up to it, write to Bloomsbury, asking them for JKR to issue 
an official statement about this.

Coz as we all know, we'll just rip the book out of the bag ASAP anyway.

HP is already printed on forest-friendly paper thanks to Greenpeace.
So give him the next big chance to help our muggle environment!

Poetryfreedom
 




From jeopardy18 at comcast.net  Wed May 16 02:25:26 2007
From: jeopardy18 at comcast.net (seanmulligan2000)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:25:26 -0000
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
In-Reply-To: <f2cm7m+pctq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f2dq2m+6147@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "poetryfreedom" 
<annbosco at ...> wrote:
>
> "Don't get your next HP in a plastic bag!"
> 
> That's the message that we want to send to EVERYONE who is going 
to buy 
> a HP book...which will mean millions. 
> 
> If we manage to get this message around the globe, by us sending 
an 
> email to all our friends, we will save millions of bags from 
entering 
> the waste stream, ON ONE DAY! So please, start emailing now. Just 
> say "don't put HP in a plastic bag". We only have two months.
> 
> If you are up to it, write to Bloomsbury, asking them for JKR to 
issue 
> an official statement about this.
> 
> Coz as we all know, we'll just rip the book out of the bag ASAP 
anyway.
> 
> HP is already printed on forest-friendly paper thanks to 
Greenpeace.
> So give him the next big chance to help our muggle environment!
> 
> Poetryfreedom
>

I will probably not even get a bag. 




From annbosco at rogers.com  Wed May 16 12:33:53 2007
From: annbosco at rogers.com (Annmarie Bosco)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:33:53 -0500
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
In-Reply-To: <f2dq2m+6147@eGroups.com>
References: <f2cm7m+pctq@eGroups.com> <f2dq2m+6147@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000301c797b6$77583520$66089f60$@com>

Sean:
I will probably not even get a bag. 


poetryfreedom: 

Good on you!!!

Please send the message on to people who are planning to buy the book.  Which should be everyone.

 

 





From jnoyl at aim.com  Thu May 17 03:56:35 2007
From: jnoyl at aim.com (JLyon)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:56:35 -0700
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
Message-ID: <685B9DD9-0410-4371-BAD5-8D1A2353D266@aim.com>

I will continue to always ask for a plastic bag. It comes with a  
handle, it is made from petroleum (one of the great substances the  
earth provides), and I can use it for my garbage.
Much more useful than any thing the tree huggers can come up with.
noylj



From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 14:11:22 2007
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:11:22 -0000
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
In-Reply-To: <685B9DD9-0410-4371-BAD5-8D1A2353D266@aim.com>
Message-ID: <f2hnqa+p6c9@eGroups.com>

I won't ask for a bag. Although, I recycle my bags by using them as 
garbage bags, a bookstore one would be too small for garbage & just be 
more clutter for my house.
Sharon

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, JLyon <jnoyl at ...> wrote:
>
> I will continue to always ask for a plastic bag. It comes with a  
> handle, it is made from petroleum (one of the great substances the  
> earth provides), and I can use it for my garbage.
> Much more useful than any thing the tree huggers can come up with.
> noylj
>





From wuff at internode.on.net  Thu May 17 14:22:40 2007
From: wuff at internode.on.net (Wolfie!)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:22:40 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
In-Reply-To: <f2hnqa+p6c9@eGroups.com>
References: <f2hnqa+p6c9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <464C6530.1010800@internode.on.net>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, JLyon <jnoyl at ...> wrote:
>> I will continue to always ask for a plastic bag. It comes with a  
>> handle, it is made from petroleum (one of the great substances the  
>> earth provides), and I can use it for my garbage.
>> Much more useful than any thing the tree huggers can come up with.
>> noylj

Petroleum

pe-trol-eum

pe-TROL-eum

pe  TROLL  eum

Wolfie!

-- 
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From kkersey at swbell.net  Fri May 18 15:41:36 2007
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:41:36 -0000
Subject: HP, the Muggle Environment & Plastic Bags
In-Reply-To: <685B9DD9-0410-4371-BAD5-8D1A2353D266@aim.com>
Message-ID: <f2khfg+be10@eGroups.com>

JLyon wrote:

> I will continue to always ask for a plastic bag. It comes with a  
> handle, it is made from petroleum (one of the great substances the  
> earth provides), and I can use it for my garbage.

Ah, petroleum. I grew up in an oil town; my father's field is polymer
chemistry. Plastics are wonderful!  However:

> Much more useful than any thing the tree huggers can come up with.

Hmmm. Really?

1. Biodegradable plastic bags: Functionally indistinguishable from
petroleum-based; more expensive but if you really prefer plastic bags
and are going to use them for garbage they are worth a few cents more. 

2. Cloth bags: Never break, even when wet or overloaded. Can put more
groceries in per bag (if you want to minimize number of bags) and you
can get them with shoulder straps. Handles are much more comfortable
(plastic ones dig into my hands) especially when carrying heavy items
like milk or canned goods. Not expensive and last forever. Ikea sells
huge reusable plastic bags for next to nothing, so do many grocery
stores; the insulating ones are very nice for the hot climate I live
in. Some stores give you a nickel back for bringing your own bag.

3. Backpacks (the student kind, not the camping kind!): especially
good for those walking or biking to the store.

4. Cardboard boxes. Most grocery stores have plenty of these if you
ask. Can be reused - my seven year old loves to build robots, forts,
armor, etc. with them, and when he is done I put them under a layer of
mulch as a weed barrier in garden paths (brown paper bags often meet
the same fate). Can be recycled (our city has curbside pick up).

5. No bags. I can put small things (e.g. chocolate bars) in my purse
and large items like laundry soap or gallons of milk don't need bags -
especially if they have their own handles. I keep a collapsible
plastic box and/or a cardboard box in my car trunk so that I can put
loose items in a clean place where they won't roll around. Some stores
I shop at - Costco, and, when I'm in Oklahoma, Aldi - don't have bags
at all and just load your purchases back into your cart (smaller items
can go into a cardboard box). Books? If I am buying so many that I
can't carry them out without a bag, I am *way* over budget! Now, if I
am trying to sneak a purchase out of the bookstore without my child or
husband seeing it, a plastic bag is generally too transparent anyway,
so either a paper bag or just asking for a piece of packing paper to
wrap around it is preferable. 

6. Bring back and reuse otherwise disposable bags. We do this
sometimes but you really have to watch for holes and tears.

We still seem to bring home a lot of plastic bags; I'm really bad
about forgetting to put the cloth bags back in the car or forgetting
to bring them into the store with me. I take them back to the store
for recycling, and I'm always amazed how many we end up with. Things
are really changing here in Austin though, as the city is threatening
to ban or tax non-biodegradable bags (large stores only). The grocery
stores are much stingier with their bags in the last few weeks.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/17/17bags.html

Oh, and about the book 7 purchase: I'm not going to let anyone put
even a few millimeters of plasitic between me and that book come July 21!

Elisabet, who realizes that last made her sound a bit like Brooke Shields




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 02:36:15 2007
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:36:15 -0000
Subject: some cut down visualizations of the Harry Potter books: Lupin, James, and Sn
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7962b$f1971900$d4c54b00$@com>
Message-ID: <f2lnqv+ip0v@eGroups.com>

> Dumbledad:

> Anyway, I've uploaded a bunch of datasets to Many Eyes and 
some visualizations that you might enjoy. For each of the 
words 'Lupin', 'James', and 'Snape' I've taken the other words 
that occur within 10 words in the HP series, and then plotted 
them. 

Goddlefrood:

I finally managed to get them to work, having installed Java
on my somewhat elderly system to do so. The visualisations
were certainly interesting. Thank you for putting this together,
it must have taken a huge amount of work so any bethought delay 
is rather explicable :-)

My bias would be towards Hagrid being done to see whether the 
patterns that can be discerned from Snape, Lupin and James 
would, if Rubeus were to be done, assist in determining whether
he would be a valid dinner guest at the series conclusion ;-).

Goddlefrood whose eyes are spinning a little after the 
experience.




From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 00:35:15 2007
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:35:15 -0000
Subject: "High School Musical"
In-Reply-To: <787729.83595.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f2o543+nn1j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Petra <ms_petra_pan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I belong to a community theatre troupe in San Francisco (where I 
live) 
> and I think the group is trying to get the rights to produce a show 
> known as "High School Musical."
>  
> We've done many musicals in the past couple years that I've been 
involved
> and have almost always done musicals that I at the very least have 
heard
> of: "The Secret Garden," "Bat Boy," "Seussical," etc.  So I've 
always 
> known just what I was getting into.
>  
> I've *never* heard of "High School Musical" (abashed to find myself 
out 
> of touch?! getting old?!) and was wondering if people here who are 
in 
> high school or have children who are have ever heard of it.  As I 
> understand it, there is even a "High School Musical" board game?!  
Ice 
> skating show?!
>  
> I ask because I'm trying to decide what my feelings are about 
getting 
> involved...and if I should sit this one out.  If I get involved, I 
would 
> have to live with the songs running 24/7 in my head for weeks on 
end!  
> Whether I like them or not.
>  
> Anyone here know if that would be a fate worse than death?
>  
> I suspect I need to get my hands on a copy of the DVD but none of 
the 
> library's copies were in at this time.
>  
> Petra
> a
> n  :)


Well, Petra, you came to the right place!  I just finished conducting 
the pit band for "High School Musical" in Marquette, Michigan.  
Essentially, it's a modern day version of "Grease," BUT much 
cleaner.  There's no smoking, swearing, pregnancies, etc. - just one 
little kiss at the end of the show.  The Disney Channel made the 
movie, and it became such a hit, that it's now been made into a 
musical, with two versions, one full-length show (which is what we 
did) and a shorter version for middle-school age kids.  All the 
characters in the show, except for about 4 adults, are teenagers.  
The story consists of a girl, Gabriella Montez, who's a "brainiac" 
(i.e., very smart) and a boy, Troy Bolton, who's a jock (basketball 
star) who meet over winter break.  They get roped into singing a 
karoake duet, even though neither says they can sing.  And of course, 
they're both great at it (can even sing in harmony to a song they've 
never heard before - wow!).  Anyway, lo and behold, the girl moves to 
the boy's hometown in January, and they meet at the high school.  The 
school is in the midst of auditions for the high school musical, and 
although they both want to try out, they're both too afraid of what 
their "cliques" will think of them.  The big adult parts are the 
drama teacher, Ms. Darbus, and the basketball coach (who just happens 
to be the Troy's father), Coach Bolton.

It's a very cute show, and the kids in your town will LOVE it.  We 
originally had booked only 3 shows, but after those three sold out, 
we added another one.  The music is cute, but very fluffy (think 
Disney Channel stuff, like Hannah Montana and That's So Raven), but 
we had a blast doing the show.  But I must admit, I'm so sick of it, 
that I haven't even watched the DVD we made of the show.  :)

You could probably find the soundtrack online and listen to snippets 
of some of the songs, if that would help you make up your mind. Also, 
I believe you can find out more about it one the MTI website. There's 
some good group numbers, such as "Stick to the Status Quo" and "We're 
All in this Together."

Good luck, and let us know what you decide!

Musically yours,
MusicalBetsy




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun May 20 15:45:08 2007
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Date: 20 May 2007 15:45:08 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 5/20/2007, 11:00 am 
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From christinanihill at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 16:09:25 2007
From: christinanihill at yahoo.com (Christina Nihill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:09:25 -0000
Subject: Recommendations for buying Book 7 in London
Message-ID: <f2prrl+jnik@eGroups.com>

Can any one help?

I'd like to buy Deathly Hallows in London at the earliest possible 
opportunity and I'm too late to reserve a copy at Sectus. Does anyone 
have any recommendations of shops that will be open at midnight and 
will attract a good crowd, or parties that are taking place? I'm in the 
NE suburbs, but will travel to central London if that looks to be more 
fun.  

thanks

Chris




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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun May 20 19:50:46 2007
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:50:46 -0000
Subject: Art / Chart / Dead Troll
Message-ID: <f2q8qm+t64g@eGroups.com>

Mrinal Rai wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/32097>:

<< Hey Potter fans, Here is some of my work please visit:
<http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/fanart/user/profile/MrinalRai> >>

Hi, Mrinal, I was impressed by how professional your drawings look. I
noticed that your images are of the movie characters -- Mad-Eye Moody
especially looked different in the book from the movie.

Dumbledad wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/32107>:

<< Anyway, I've uploaded a bunch of datasets to Many Eyes and some
visualizations that you might enjoy. For each of the words 'Lupin',
'James', and 'Snape' I've taken the other words that occur within 10
words in the HP series, and then plotted them. The two plots are a
Bubble Chart using the overall frequency of the word in the series to
decide the bubble's size, and a Tag Cloud where the word size is based
on the number of times the word occurred near the target word. >>

I looked at the Bubble Chart and the Tag Chart for each of Lupin and
Snape. The Tag Charts look like they'd be good art posters, but the
Bubble Charts are just confusing. I was amazed that 'greasy' didn't
make the cut for being on Snape's chart.

Wolfie wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/32118>:

<< pe TROLL eum >>

Are you sure? I thought petroleum was made of dead dinosaurs, not dead
trolls.





From sally.grist at gristiegraphics.co.uk  Mon May 21 13:06:16 2007
From: sally.grist at gristiegraphics.co.uk (Sally Grist)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:06:16 -0000
Subject: Recommendations for buying Book 7 in London
In-Reply-To: <f2prrl+jnik@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f2s5g8+k3bf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Christina Nihill" 
<christinanihill at ...> wrote:
>
> Can any one help?
> 
> I'd like to buy Deathly Hallows in London at the earliest possible 
> opportunity and I'm too late to reserve a copy at Sectus. Does 
anyone 
> have any recommendations of shops that will be open at midnight and 
> will attract a good crowd, or parties that are taking place?

Hi Christine, 

For the last two book releases I've been to Waterstones in Oxford 
Street and it's been brilliant! Witches and wizards start queuing 
outside from early in the day and the store opens at midnight, 
complete with camera crews, celebrities and a big countdown. 
Entertainment, refreshments and general socialising are all laid on 
throughout the day by the very nice staff at Waterstones. Briliant 
atmosphere, total fun and the chance to meet a whole bunch of HP 
enthusiasts. Here's the link to their site: 
http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/navigate.do?
pPageID=200000290

I hope to go again this year but I live outside of London and the new 
puppy we've just bought has somewhat compromised my freedom to stay 
out late, but we'll see! 

Actually I had so much fun at the last book release that I published 
a whole Daily Prophet article about it. So you can read all about it 
and see a whole gallery of photos here: 
http://www.gristiegraphics.co.uk/harry_potter/daily_prophet/dailyProph
et.html 

Hope this helps and maybe see you there?!

Sally Grist
Minister of Flash Magic




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon May 21 21:28:30 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:28:30 -0000
Subject: Christianity in HP - coming across from Main
Message-ID: <f2t2tv+3lgq@eGroups.com>

I apologise that I have taken so long to reply to this. As I indicated 
in my original post, I was away in Cardiff over the weekend; I 
normally use my host's computer to keep up with the group but 
his machine decided to crash on  Saturday morning so I am only 
just catching up on the backlog.

Katie wrote:
I resent wholeheartedly your insinuation that sacrificial love, 
redemption, CHOICE, and other so-called "Christian" themes in 
Harry Potter are Christian at all. My objection is two-fold:
1 - There is an assumption by Christians that values that are in 
the Bible are somehow singularly Christian. Simply because you 
put it in the Bible does not mean it is owned by Christianity. The 
Bible may mean something to you, but it means nothing to me, 
and I believe in sacrificial love, redemption, spirituality, loving the 
Creator, and treating my fellow man with humanity. This doesn't 
mean that I am a Christian, nor does it mean that I am practicing
"Christian" values. These beliefs belong to all of humanity - why 
do Christians get to hijack all virtues and claim them as their own?

Geoff:
Your use of the word "resent" and "insinuation' seem to imply that 
I have hit a nerve. If I had been  replying to the post, I would have 
used "disagree" and "suggestion:
 It would have been less 
inflammatory. However
.

I feel that in your wish to express your views, you failed to read the 
last paragraph of my post where I wrote:

"I agree with you that there should be tolerance, respect and
understanding of other people's views but I do not accept that I
should be short changing my own belief when it is belittled or 
attacked. That said, I am suspicious of attempts made to block 
our enjoymentand free access to these books - even if those 
involved might claim to be fellow believers."

I think I am voicing a not dissimilar feeling to yours. arising from 
your first paragraph, I might also say that, arising from the same 
paragraph, I do not consider the Bible to be my primary source 
as to what Christian values are; God tells me that. 

Nerdie55, in post 168969, also echoed my point about the fact 
that the fundamental structure of modern society is based on 
Christian foundations:

"If I may add my 2c: I have never connected HP with religious
values and I don't think that JKR wrote HP with Christianity
in mind. However, our western civilization and our societies
are permeated by Christian values without people realising it.
Redemption is present in our judicial systems and in our schools,
"love thy neighbour" is part of the campaigns against bullying
in schools and the campaigns for equal rights etcetera. And as
JKR's private Potter society is a reflection of the one we all
live in, it is inevitable that one finds these values in the
Potter books as well."

Katie:
2 - I was part of that "groundswell" of other religions a few years 
back. I do not in any way believe that JK intentionally put Christian 
themes into thesebooks. Perhaps her religion inspired her in an 
unconscious way (although I disagree with this as well), but it is 
obvious to me that these books are not religious. If there is any 
overriding faith theme in HP - it is faith in ONESELF - not in God! 
The fact that there may be an afterlife in HP doesn't mean it's a
Christian heaven. Um...other religions believe in an afterlife. The 
fact that characters that we believed to be evil may redeem 
themselves in a sacrifical way

Geoff:
I wrote a year or so back that I believed that if a writer is a Christian, 
producing a book such as Harry Potter would indirectly reveal 
something of their faith. It would be unlikely that such a writer 
would deliberately write a book which ran counter to their own 
faith. JKR has spoken about her faith and involvement with the 
Church of Scotland so I doubt whether she would fly in the face 
of that position. She can use Christian themes without necessarily 
flourishing them in your face; Tolkien did likewise by placing his
action in a pre-Christian era.

Katie:
in the end, doesn't mean it's some metaphor about Jesus - it's 
just reallyfantastic plotting and storytelling. Not everything has 
to do with Christianity! Jesus' story is a story that had already 
been told repeatedly in mythology by the writing of the Bible. 
Why? Because sacrifice and suffering makes a good damn story.

Leslie41 wrote:
Not to completely hijack Geoff's response, but I'd like to answer
this, at least in part. Firstly, of course you're correct. Loving
thy neighbor isn't exclusively Christian. Nor is redemption,
sacrificial love, etc. But Christ's teachings, which now seem to us
seem generically "humanist" were absolutely *revolutionary* in his
own time. He saw an equality of all people. Not just "his" people,
but *all* people, regardless of gender and tribe and color.

Christians "hijack" these virtues and claim them as their own
because, in essence, Christ "invented" these virtues and made them
manifest in the world for the first time, in their completest sense.
And I don't speak here of Jesus Christ as savior--you don't need to
believe that at all. I speak of Jesus as a philosopher. 

Well, yes, other religions have an afterlife. But Harry Potter's
world clearly includes Christmas and Easter, and Harry himself was
christened (apparently that was very important to his parents) and
has a godfather. I don't necessarily think the books areovertly 
"religious" of course, not in a "Left Behind" sort of way, but a generic 
sort of Christianity permeates them, which I think goes beyond the 
merely decorative

Geoff:
I don't hijack these values either. The trouble is that there is confusion 
between so-called Christian values which can be the same as other 
groups hold as well but, as Leslie 41 remarks, there are certain values 
and beliefs which are unique to our faith.

What is important are not Christian values but Christian commitment. 
In the UK at least, there are thousands of people who claim to be 
Christian and when questioned, would point to these values. However, 
some years ago, George Carey, the then Archbishop of Canterbury was 
being interviewed on BBC Breakfast and in response to one comment 
made by the presenter said: "Ah but you are confusing Christianity 
with Church-ianity". 

I became a Christian when I was 21 and at college. Up to that point, I 
had only vague ideas about God and Christ and believed that I could 
label myself Christian. I didn't see any thing else to be done; I didn't 
particularly want any wider involvement; I felt I was doing all the right 
things. But, to use a cricketing term, God suddenly bowled a yorker at 
me and in one day, my beliefs were stood on their head and changed 
my view on life permanently. 

Hence I disagree with you over your suggestion that Jesus is a story 
figure and could take umbrage over what you wrote about Christ in 
those terms. As an evangelical, I believe that when I made a commitment 
to faith (not religion ? that's a different thing altogether) Christ came 
into my life and his Spirit lives in me and guides me and that will guide 
anyone with true faith ? including JKR.

Faith is not a matter of finding a set of rules you like and signing up 
like joining a painting class. It is coming into a personal relationship 
with God himself through Christ who was God in human form.

Katie:
Harry Potter is not about religion. It is about a boy who is on a journey 
of self-discovery, and he happens to have a wonderful cast of characters 
to help him through. Plus, he's a wizard, and that's dang fun.

Geoff:
It /is/ good fun but the journey of self-discovery has to include faith ? 
even if it's humanism or atheism or a different world view. But I believe 
it still comes back to what the writer's personal belief is and the plan they 
have for their character.





From marydianne3123 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 14:50:53 2007
From: marydianne3123 at yahoo.com (marydianne3123)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:50:53 -0000
Subject: bishops hat
Message-ID: <f2v00d+ht8e@eGroups.com>

This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I 
need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th. My son is 
making a chess set and can't find the color. He knows that cardnals 
have red but no idea of the bishop. If you could help I will thank you 
in advance. MaryDianne




From dragondancer357 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 21:25:18 2007
From: dragondancer357 at yahoo.com (Anna)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:25:18 -0000
Subject: Is anyone in San Diego, CA?
Message-ID: <f2vn3u+rm2b@eGroups.com>

I would really like to know, is anyone on this list in
San Diego, CA?  I am hoping to organize a HP book 7
party of sorts.  Please email me 

gwaelaurien at hotmail.com for full details.  Thanks!

Anna





From jenP_97 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 22:15:57 2007
From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Piersol)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:15:57 -0000
Subject: Is anyone in San Diego, CA?
In-Reply-To: <f2vn3u+rm2b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f2vq2t+t2je@eGroups.com>

There's a special HPFGU group for those of us in California (or even
those just thinking about visiting).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-California/

We've had some recent trouble with spammers, so you'll have to post a
message first while moderated, but after that, you'll be free to post
as you like.

-Jen, moderator of the CA group

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Anna" <dragondancer357 at ...>
wrote:
>
> I would really like to know, is anyone on this list in
> San Diego, CA?  I am hoping to organize a HP book 7
> party of sorts.  Please email me 
> 
> gwaelaurien at ... for full details.  Thanks!
> 
> Anna
>




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed May 23 02:56:53 2007
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:56:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] bishops hat
In-Reply-To: <f2v00d+ht8e@eGroups.com>
References: <f2v00d+ht8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0705221956wfe0596ao9f90950796d05000@mail.gmail.com>

MaryDianne:
> This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I
>  need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th.


Actually, traditionally, the mitre is supposed to be totally white.
Obviously, ornamentation changes things a little, but the predominant
colour is [supposedly] white.  In any case, I looked up Bishop
Longland, who was bishop of London during the early 1500s.  There's an
account of him wearing a mitre of red and gold, which definitely is
par for the course for that time period when gold embroidery was the
norm for those in higher offices.  I don't know that Longland would be
good as an example since he was based in London, but at the very
least, there's a historical basis for choosing red & gold should your
son choose that route.

Good luck to your son & his chess endeavours!

~Ali



From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Wed May 23 04:33:58 2007
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] bishops hat
In-Reply-To: <f2v00d+ht8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <465450D6.22976.130BEEE@drednort.alphalink.com.au>

On 22 May 2007 at 14:50, marydianne3123 wrote:

> This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I
> need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th. My son is
> making a chess set and can't find the color. He knows that cardnals
> have red but no idea of the bishop. If you could help I will thank
> you 
> in advance. MaryDianne

Well, in Catholic tradition - and depending on where we are in Henry VIIIs reign that would 
still be being followed, there are three types of Mitres (the term for a bishops hat). The mitra 
simplex is white and unadorned, but the other two types, the mitra pretiosa, and mitra 
auriphrygiata can be adorned in a wide variety of ways and can be any colour or colour. 
Which one is worn depends on the situation.

While there are rules covering the colours of certain headcoverings worn by Catholic clergy, 
these rules do not apply to the mitre. But if he wants to follow them, the correct colour for any 
bishop is violet in the same way that Cardinals wear red.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia





From marydianne3123 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 09:50:33 2007
From: marydianne3123 at yahoo.com (mary horton)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 02:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] bishops hat
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0705221956wfe0596ao9f90950796d05000@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41384.44615.qm@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you so much. That will help greatly. Mary Dianne

"P. Alexis Nguyen" <alexisnguyen at gmail.com> wrote:          MaryDianne:
> This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I
> need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th.

Actually, traditionally, the mitre is supposed to be totally white.
Obviously, ornamentation changes things a little, but the predominant
colour is [supposedly] white. In any case, I looked up Bishop
Longland, who was bishop of London during the early 1500s. There's an
account of him wearing a mitre of red and gold, which definitely is
par for the course for that time period when gold embroidery was the
norm for those in higher offices. I don't know that Longland would be
good as an example since he was based in London, but at the very
least, there's a historical basis for choosing red & gold should your
son choose that route.

Good luck to your son & his chess endeavours!

~Ali


         

       
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From marydianne3123 at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 09:52:50 2007
From: marydianne3123 at yahoo.com (mary horton)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 02:52:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] bishops hat
In-Reply-To: <465450D6.22976.130BEEE@drednort.alphalink.com.au>
Message-ID: <834810.63124.qm@web37406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, very helpful, Mary Dianne

Shaun Hately <drednort at alphalink.com.au> wrote:          On 22 May 2007 at 14:50, marydianne3123 wrote:

> This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I
> need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th. My son is
> making a chess set and can't find the color. He knows that cardnals
> have red but no idea of the bishop. If you could help I will thank
> you 
> in advance. MaryDianne

Well, in Catholic tradition - and depending on where we are in Henry VIIIs reign that would 
still be being followed, there are three types of Mitres (the term for a bishops hat). The mitra 
simplex is white and unadorned, but the other two types, the mitra pretiosa, and mitra 
auriphrygiata can be adorned in a wide variety of ways and can be any colour or colour. 
Which one is worn depends on the situation.

While there are rules covering the colours of certain headcoverings worn by Catholic clergy, 
these rules do not apply to the mitre. But if he wants to follow them, the correct colour for any 
bishop is violet in the same way that Cardinals wear red.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia



         

 
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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Thu May 24 13:29:01 2007
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:29:01 -0400
Subject: Deadline for FictionAlley's Katie O'Brien Scholarship Applications Is Next Week
Message-ID: <5913e6f80705240629s3b8c5a8fo5a0f46fbef6d3e7@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder - the deadline for the 2007-2008 Katie O'Brien
Scholarships for Writing, Art and Community Service is only a week
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Please forward this email to any friends and family who are talented
writers or artists, or active in community service - one doesn't have
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As you may remember, in March of 2005, one of FictionAlley's longtime
writers lost her battle with leukemia. Even while she was in the
hospital fighting against her illness, she continued to find strength
as she wrote her story, assisted by her father, Dave O'Brien. As her
father said, "Katie always wanted to be a writer, and she used this
forum [FictionAlley] to fulfill her dreams. Correspondence with those
who read and enjoyed her story sustained her even during the worst of
times."

Katie finished writing her story six days before she died; her father
continued to upload those chapters onto FictionAlley through the
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When we at FictionAlley learned that Katie had passed away, we
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back to the community, with some help in making their dreams come
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From kkersey at swbell.net  Thu May 24 17:03:59 2007
From: kkersey at swbell.net (kkersey_austin)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:03:59 -0000
Subject: British Editions spotted in Austin TX!
Message-ID: <f34ghv+uns7@eGroups.com>

I got a really terrific Mother's Day present a couple of weeks ago -
the Bloomsbury, that is, Stephen Fry version of the CoS audiobook.
Unfortunately it is on cassette tapes instead of CD, but on the other
hand it came with a nifty little shoulder bag carrying case which was
itself worth the *very* small amount my dear family paid at Half Price
Books. It was new, in original packaging, by the way, and rumor is
they may have more there.

Then later that day, as we happened to be downtown, we stopped in at
Book People (a huge independent bookstore) and they had about half a
dozen copies of the British children's paperback of PoA - in the
clearance section!  The books did have some very minor scuffing on the
page edges but once again the price was right. No, the store doesn't
normally carry the British editions so I'm not sure how they ended up
there. My seven-year-old was absolutely thrilled to own his very own
copy of an HP book (and absolutely disappointed when he realized that
mean old mommy could still confiscate it if it was interfering with
getting homework done). 

While I was at Book People another customer asked about the Book 7
release plans and I jumped in on the discussion - the clerk said they
expected at least 3000 people to pick up the book at the midnight
release! Yikes! Our church will once again be having a Saturday
morning book release party so we'll be doing that instead. That is,
unless my kid wins that sweepstakes to attend the JKR reading....

Elisabet, who would have posted this sooner but Yahoomort kept making
this group's web interface "unavailable"  




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu May 24 17:27:48 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:27:48 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
Message-ID: <f34huk+vtjd@eGroups.com>

EMWTK = Enquiring Minds Want to Know. It's Enquiring 
instead Inquiring, because the phrase is from the tabloid
'The National Enquirer'.

I was watching Jan Leno the other night and he had a
guest on that was from England, and they were relating
stories of their experiences there. Jay was in England
having breakfast and he asked the waiter for 'pancakes'.
He said SIX would probably be enough. The waiter shouted
back at him 'Pancakes! You want Pancakes?' After a bit
of shouting the waiter went back to the kitchen, and
the pancakes didn't come and they didn't come. When Jay
inquired, the waiter said the cook was working on them.

Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead of 6
flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound cake is a 
dense sweet cake similar to shortcake that is shaped
like a small loaf of bread. 

Though I'm not sure why, we have had extensive 
discussions here about 'pancakes' in the UK. Apparently,
there is even a 'Pancake Day' in the UK; a day on which 
everyone, especially kids, eat 'pancakes'.

Except now I wonder if we were all discussing the same
thing? Maybe all this time I was discussing 'flap-jack
griddle cakes', and everyone else was discussing 
sweet 'pound cake'. 

So, exactly what do people in the UK usually call
pancakes/flap-jacks/griddle-cakes which, for reference,
are round, thin, 'cakes' made from flour, eggs, milk,
sugar, and a pinch of baking powder which are then cooked
in a fry pan or on a flat griddle? Fatter than a crepe
but much thinner than a traditional cake.

Just so we are all on the same page, this is a pancake -
(with pictures)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Good-Old-Fashioned-Pancakes/Detail.aspx

http://recipes.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Category:Pancake_Recipes

http://www.joyofbaking.com/breakfast/Pancakes.html


This is a Classic Pound Cake -

http://www.joyofbaking.com/PoundCake.html


Hardly earth shaking, but still, Enquiring Minds Want to Know.

Steve/bboyminn




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri May 25 02:48:41 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:48:41 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
In-Reply-To: <f34huk+vtjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f35iq9+j79n@eGroups.com>


>Steve: 
> Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead of 6
> flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound cake is a 
> dense sweet cake similar to shortcake that is shaped
> like a small loaf of bread. 

Kathy (Potioncat)
????
Maybe in stores. Homemade poundcake is round, and not as dense as the 
one the picture appeared. (Using my aunt's homemade cake as my 
standard.)  ;-)

Which reminds me of the time our Irish cousin was visiting for the 
summer. She asked if we had any sponge and my Mom told her to look on 
the back porch. Puzzled, my cousin went to look, but returned fairly 
soon to explain that sponge was a type of cake. She wanted to make a 
trifle.

We went out and bought something...angel food or pound cake...and she 
made the trifle. That's a misnomer if ever I heard one and boy, was 
it good! 

Kathy





From orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 25 16:53:35 2007
From: orphan_ann at hotmail.co.uk (or.phan_ann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:53:35 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
In-Reply-To: <f34huk+vtjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f374af+gera@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> Jay was in England
> having breakfast and he asked the waiter for 'pancakes'.
> He said SIX would probably be enough. The waiter shouted
> back at him 'Pancakes! You want Pancakes?' After a bit
> of shouting the waiter went back to the kitchen, and
> the pancakes didn't come and they didn't come. When Jay
> inquired, the waiter said the cook was working on them.
> 
> Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead of 6
> flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound cake is a 
> dense sweet cake similar to shortcake that is shaped
> like a small loaf of bread. 

Ann:
Sounds like he got unlucky in the kitchen to me. Pancakes 
for breakfast would be a little odd, but not *that* strange.
But now I've got to ask what a flapjack is in the USA. Over
here it's made from rolled oats, hard fat, golden syrup and 
sugar, and it's solid compared to a pancake. This is the best
picture I could find: 
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Britain/Food/Cooking/Flapjack.htm

Also, our flapjack can fly:
http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/W/weirdworlds/ufo/flying_fl
apjacks.html

> Though I'm not sure why, we have had extensive 
> discussions here about 'pancakes' in the UK. Apparently,
> there is even a 'Pancake Day' in the UK; a day on which 
> everyone, especially kids, eat 'pancakes'.

Ann:
That's Shrove Tuesday. We don't normally eat pancakes apart
from then, at least in my family.

Ann




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Fri May 25 17:25:55 2007
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25:55 -0000
Subject: British Editions spotted in Austin TX!
In-Reply-To: <f34ghv+uns7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f37673+d7e9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kkersey_austin" <kkersey at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I got a really terrific Mother's Day present a couple of weeks ago -
> the Bloomsbury, that is, Stephen Fry version of the CoS audiobook.
> Unfortunately it is on cassette tapes instead of CD, but on the other 
> hand it came with a nifty little shoulder bag carrying case which was 
> itself worth the *very* small amount my dear family paid at Half 
> Price Books. It was new, in original packaging, by the way, and rumor
> isthey may have more there.
> 
> Then later that day, as we happened to be downtown, we stopped in at
> Book People (a huge independent bookstore) and they had about half a
> dozen copies of the British children's paperback of PoA - in the
> clearance section!  The books did have some very minor scuffing on the
> page edges but once again the price was right. No, the store doesn't
> normally carry the British editions so I'm not sure how they ended up
> there. 

Jen:  Cool! I'm in Austin too and will check out these resources.  I 
have one UK edition, HBP, because my sister living in New Zealand sent 
it to me for my birthday.  I'd love to have the set in the UK editions, 
or even better, find a Stephen Fry edition of the audiobooks because 
I've heard so many good things about his presentation.  I checked out 
ordering them through Bloomsbury and e-bay and his version of the 
audiobooks on CD were *so* expensive, esp. since even the ones on ebay 
were shipped from UK for the most part.  Maybe I should check out 
cassette prices.

As for release parties---avoiding them all in case of spoiling.  I'm 
going to do what I did for HEB and hit the 24-hour grocery store at 6 
am to snag a copy while they were still taking them out of boxes. :) 




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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 23:30:17 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:30:17 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
In-Reply-To: <f374af+gera@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f37ri9+40hn@eGroups.com>

--- "or.phan_ann" <orphan_ann at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> > Jay was in England having breakfast and he asked
> > the waiter for 'pancakes'....
> > 
> > Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead
> > of 6 flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound 
> > cake is a dense sweet cake similar to shortcake 
> > that is shaped like a small loaf of bread. 
> 
> Ann:
> Sounds like he got unlucky in the kitchen to me. 
> Pancakes for breakfast would be a little odd, but 
> not *that* strange. But now I've got to ask what a
> flapjack is in the USA. 
>
> Over here it's made from rolled oats, ... and it's
> solid compared to a pancake. This is the best
> picture I could find: 
>
> http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Britain/Food/Cooking/Flapjack.htm
> 

bboyminn:

Well, we learn something new everyday. According to
common speech in my area, and according to the American
Heritage Dictionary, 'Flapjack' is just another name for
Pancake, also called hotcakes and griddle cakes. 
 
What you call 'flapjack', we would probably call a
granola bar or possibly a trail bar. Trail bars are 
usually made with trail mix (nuts, grain, and rasins 
eaten by hikers) or granola which contains assorted nuts
as well as grain; the most common grain being rolled oats.
Or possible we would simply call it a oat bar. 

Well, I'll remember that if I'm ever in England, only
order a flapjack if I want an oat bar.

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 00:13:40 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:13:40 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
In-Reply-To: <f35iq9+j79n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f37u3k+d15c@eGroups.com>

Steve: 
> > Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead of 6 flap-jacks,
Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound cake is a dense sweet cake similar to
shortcake that is shaped like a small loaf of bread. 
> 
> Kathy (Potioncat)
> ????
> Maybe in stores. Homemade poundcake is round, and not as dense as
the one the picture appeared. (Using my aunt's homemade cake as my
standard.)  ;-)
> 
> Which reminds me of the time our Irish cousin was visiting for the
summer. She asked if we had any sponge and my Mom told her to look on
the back porch. Puzzled, my cousin went to look, but returned fairly
soon to explain that sponge was a type of cake. She wanted to make a
trifle.
> 
> We went out and bought something...angel food or pound cake...and
she made the trifle. That's a misnomer if ever I heard one and boy,
was it good! 
> 
> Kathy
>

Hi, Potioncat. Are you confusing sponge cake, which is usually round
with a hole in the middle like angel food cake, with pound cake, which
is usually loaf-shaped (at least in my experience and in my cookbooks)?

Sponge cake is very light because it has lots of air pockets (hence
the name). Pound cake is much heavier. (Trifle is made from sponge
cake, not pound cake.) Angel food cake is also light but white instead
of yellow. It's basically egg whites, flour, and powdered sugar
without any butter or margarine.

Carol, imagining Jay Leno's expression when he saw the six pound
cakes, not to mention when he found out how much they cost!

Just curious.




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat May 26 02:26:59 2007
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 02:26:59 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes -- Pound Cakes or Griddle Cakes?? EMWTK
In-Reply-To: <f37u3k+d15c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f385tj+10k6e@eGroups.com>

 
> Hi, Potioncat. Are you confusing sponge cake, which is usually round
> with a hole in the middle like angel food cake, with pound cake, which
> is usually loaf-shaped (at least in my experience and in my 
cookbooks)?

Hi,
I never saw loaf shaped pound cakes until I saw them in supermakets. My 
aunt's were always round. She made the best cakes! And actually, she 
used a bundt pan, so hers had a hole in the middle. I'm familiar with 
angel food cake as well. 

When my cousin from Ireland asked for sponge, Mom thought she needed to 
cleam up a spill. It wasn't till she explained that she wanted sponge 
cake that we understood. But this was a small town and I'm not sure 
what we found at the store that day. I think we used pound cake. (This 
happened several decades ago....before Star Wars even)

Kathy







From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat May 26 06:37:46 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 06:37:46 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <f37ri9+40hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f38kjq+927f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- "or.phan_ann" <orphan_ann@> wrote:
> >
> > ---  "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> > > Jay was in England having breakfast and he asked
> > > the waiter for 'pancakes'....
> > > 
> > > Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead
> > > of 6 flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound 
> > > cake is a dense sweet cake similar to shortcake 
> > > that is shaped like a small loaf of bread. 
> > 
> > Ann:
> > Sounds like he got unlucky in the kitchen to me. 
> > Pancakes for breakfast would be a little odd, but 
> > not *that* strange. But now I've got to ask what a
> > flapjack is in the USA. 
> >
> > Over here it's made from rolled oats, ... and it's
> > solid compared to a pancake. This is the best
> > picture I could find: 
> >
> > http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Britain/Food/Cooking/Flapjack.htm
> > 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Well, we learn something new everyday. According to
> common speech in my area, and according to the American
> Heritage Dictionary, 'Flapjack' is just another name for
> Pancake, also called hotcakes and griddle cakes. 
>  
> What you call 'flapjack', we would probably call a
> granola bar or possibly a trail bar. Trail bars are 
> usually made with trail mix (nuts, grain, and rasins 
> eaten by hikers) or granola which contains assorted nuts
> as well as grain; the most common grain being rolled oats.
> Or possible we would simply call it a oat bar. 
> 
> Well, I'll remember that if I'm ever in England, only
> order a flapjack if I want an oat bar.

Geoff:
In the UK, flapjack does not contain nuts or raisins.

My dictionary defines it as:
noun 1 Brit. a soft, thick biscuit made from oats and butter
2 N Amer. a pancake

Another example of "two countries divided by a common language"
:-))




From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 06:38:43 2007
From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 06:38:43 -0000
Subject: bishops hat
In-Reply-To: <f2v00d+ht8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f38klj+68qc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "marydianne3123" 
<marydianne3123 at ...> wrote:
>
> This is for anyone living in or with knowledge of British history. I 
> need to know the color of a bishop's hat circa Henry 8th. My son is 
> making a chess set and can't find the color. He knows that cardnals 
> have red but no idea of the bishop. If you could help I will thank 
you 
> in advance. MaryDianne


It truly does depend... the colors of the bishops hats changed a few 
times during Henry VIII's reign...

if one goes into all the color changes it may give one motion 
sickness...however most if not all of the color changes are documented.

During the begining of Henry VIII's reign I would wager on 
Purple...towards the later reign of HenryVIII...It was another 
colorI'd wager....
>





From jnferr at gmail.com  Sat May 26 09:01:36 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:01:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <f38kjq+927f@eGroups.com>
References: <f37ri9+40hn@eGroups.com> <f38kjq+927f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40705260201l3c669cd0y7e596eb121aa1a16@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Steve"  wrote:
> > > > Jay was in England having breakfast and he asked
> > > > the waiter for 'pancakes'....
> > > >
> > > > Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead
> > > > of 6 flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound
> > > > cake is a dense sweet cake similar to shortcake
> > > > that is shaped like a small loaf of bread.

montims:
weighing in now - I found
http://www.uppercrusts-catering.co.uk/wholesale-cakes/

I agree that pancakes are not something you would eat for breakfast in
England - Brits eat them on Pancake Day, or sometimes for a quick pudding
(English English for dessert...) - traditionally with lemon and sugar.
Flapjacks are not like a trail bar - they are about 3 times as thick, and
much more moist and chewy.  Shortcake, on the other hand, is a biscuit -
crumbly and buttery.  There are pictures of them on that site above.  Oh,
and by the way, scones look like American "biscuits", though a little
smaller - probably 2" across at the most, unlike the huge triangular things
called scones I buy here in America...


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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat May 26 10:00:40 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:00:40 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40705260201l3c669cd0y7e596eb121aa1a16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f390g8+rmc9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Steve"  wrote:
> > > > > Jay was in England having breakfast and he asked
> > > > > the waiter for 'pancakes'....
> > > > >
> > > > > Eventually the 'Pan Cakes' came out, but instead
> > > > > of 6 flap-jacks, Jay got 6 Pound Cakes. Pound
> > > > > cake is a dense sweet cake similar to shortcake
> > > > > that is shaped like a small loaf of bread.
> 
> montims:
> weighing in now - I found
> http://www.uppercrusts-catering.co.uk/wholesale-cakes/
> 
> I agree that pancakes are not something you would eat for breakfast in
> England - Brits eat them on Pancake Day, or sometimes for a quick pudding
> (English English for dessert...) - traditionally with lemon and sugar.
> Flapjacks are not like a trail bar - they are about 3 times as thick, and
> much more moist and chewy.  Shortcake, on the other hand, is a biscuit -
> crumbly and buttery.  There are pictures of them on that site above.  Oh,
> and by the way, scones look like American "biscuits", though a little
> smaller - probably 2" across at the most, unlike the huge triangular things
> called scones I buy here in America...

Geoff:
Following on Steve's comments earlier, I think that "trail bars" are 
what most shops and supermarkets here in the UK would market 
as "cereal bars". There are a number pf proprietary names in use 
- Harvest Bars, Brunch Bars come to mind. They are usually quite 
thick; flapjacks can vary in thickness.

Scones are usually more than 2" in diameter and, unlike biscuits, 
of a fairly soft consistency; thick enough to be sliced in two for 
margarine or butter to be spread plus maybe jam. They tend to fall 
into three categories - plain, fruit or cheese. A particular delicacy 
in the West Country, where I now live, is a "cream tea" - scones, 
jam and whipped or clotted cream.





From maritajan at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 12:37:04 2007
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 05:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Griddlecakes (was Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack)
In-Reply-To: <f38kjq+927f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <160345.42296.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



                                  
 > bboyminn:
 > 
 > Well, we learn something new everyday. According to
 > common speech in my area, and according to the American
 > Heritage Dictionary, 'Flapjack' is just another name for
 > Pancake, also called hotcakes and griddle cakes. 



MJ here:
Just to add to the confusion, if I may throw in something from here in the American South (Nashville, TN), 'griddlecakes' are usually much heavier than pancakes.  They're usually made with grits or cornmeal added to the batter, although I've only had tem with the grits addition. Yummy!

MJ













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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 23:46:11 2007
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:46:11 -0000
Subject: Griddlecakes (was Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack)
In-Reply-To: <160345.42296.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f3ags3+2cf5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, MJ <maritajan at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>                                   
> > bboyminn:
> > 
> > Well, we learn something new everyday. According
> > to common speech in my area, and according to the
> > American Heritage Dictionary, 'Flapjack' is just 
> > another name for Pancake, also called hotcakes and
> > griddle cakes. 
> 
> 
> 
> MJ here:
> Just to add to the confusion, if I may throw in 
> something from here in the American South (Nashville,
> TN), 'griddlecakes' are usually much heavier than 
> pancakes. They're usually made with grits or cornmeal 
> added to the batter, although I've only had them with 
> the grits addition. Yummy!
> 
> MJ


bboyminn:

Oh, you mean 'jonnycake', a thin heavy corn bread. 
Though I confess that 'jonnycake' is a New England 
reference. Under the right circumstances, I do love 
corn bread. Though Grits have never impressed me. 

Keep in mind that I'm in the North, so what I've had 
for Grits might be far from the real thing. In general,
I've never been a hot cereal lover, but cold cereal 
with milk and yogurt is good. 

My previous reference to Trail Bar and Granola Bar
with NUTS was my impression of the closest American
food the British Flapjacks. I wasn't implying that
British Flapjacks had nuts and fruit. Though the
reference by Janette to Wholesale Cakes does show
Flapjacks with variously coconut, fruit & nuts,
cherries, and chocolate.

I think I would probably like UK Flapjacks 
especially the fruit & nut Muesli variety. On the
rare occasions when I've been in Europe, I loved 
having Muesli for breakfast.

I also found it odd that in the USA, a complimentary
European or 'continental' breakfast consists of 
coffee and a sweet roll, but on continental Europe,
a complimentary Hotel breakfast consist of eggs, 
bacon, fruit, Muesli, milk, coffee, tea, sweet rolls,
and other assorted goodies. Shows what a warped view
we have of Europe. 

A classic 'Full' English breakfast might be good, 
but the 'blood' sausage puts me off. Though my 
grandmother made blood sausage to which she added 
some pork to spice it up a bit, and it was just like
any other summer sausage or salami. Just thought I
would add that to the mix, don't know why.

Also, I would love to try an official English Cream
Tea, it sounds delicious.

Don't know why, but there it is.

Steve/bboyminn




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun May 27 04:48:53 2007
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 04:48:53 -0000
Subject: British English for Americans
Message-ID: <f3b2jl+thgu@eGroups.com>

If you want a really humorous British-to-american dictionary (which,
unfortunately, doesn't include "pancake"), try this link:

http://english2american.com/dictionary/b.html

Just about any definition will amuse you, including the cross
references. Some of the definitions are tongue in cheek, though, like
the one that claims that haggis is made from an animal of the same
name which is nearly extinct and advises American tourists to ask
about the poor animal when they're in Scotland. Er, I think that might
be inadvisable!

Carol, who was actually trying to find a British definition for
"hallow" as a noun




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun May 27 15:22:29 2007
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:22:29 -0000
Subject: City of bones by Cassandra Clare SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Message-ID: <f3c7nl+r28d@eGroups.com>

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So, I went to Barnes and Nobles few days ago to look for a new book. 
People who know me know that I am always looking for a new book to 
read :)

I went to teens section, I saw a book by Cassandra Clare, so 
naturally I became curious, since I heard the name.

I must say - I have not read anything by her, I certainly heard that 
she wrote Draco trilogy, etc, but I had no opinion of her as a 
writer.


Hmmmmmm, what can I say? I think the book is entertaining enough to 
read once. It is about Shadowhunters who kill demons and the girl 
who discovers she is one of them? Is it fair description of the plot 
in one sentence? I think it is, but people who read it can correct 
me.

On the other hand, it felt so very predictable to me. I could not 
shake off the feeling that I am reading the adventures of Buffy and 
the gang  MEET the X-man.

Oh, and main characters being the kids of the main bad guy? 

Hello, kids I am your father, said Voldemort. I mean there is no 
Voldemort there obviously, but I had that feeling, LOL.


So, to sum up - my recommendation is get it in the library if you 
really want to, where I am donating my copy too, LOL.

Not really worth of buying in my view.  But this is the first part 
of the trilogy, maybe it will be better in the next books.

Obviously just subjective opinion of one reader.


Alla




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From jnferr at gmail.com  Mon May 28 04:37:42 2007
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:37:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <f390g8+rmc9@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40705260201l3c669cd0y7e596eb121aa1a16@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f390g8+rmc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40705272137s51c24557l34c350cc8cb8cdce@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Geoff:
>
> Scones are usually more than 2" in diameter and, unlike biscuits,
> of a fairly soft consistency; thick enough to be sliced in two for
> margarine or butter to be spread plus maybe jam. They tend to fall
> into three categories - plain, fruit or cheese. A particular delicacy
> in the West Country, where I now live, is a "cream tea" - scones,
> jam and whipped or clotted cream.


montims:
Just to confuse matters, I was talking about American "biscuits", which look
identical, though bigger, to British scones, not what Brits call biscuits,
which are of course called cookies in America...
By the way, Geoff - do you put jam on the cream, or cream on the jam?


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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon May 28 06:32:42 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:32:42 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40705272137s51c24557l34c350cc8cb8cdce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3dt2a+2h02@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Geoff:
> >
> > Scones are usually more than 2" in diameter and, unlike biscuits,
> > of a fairly soft consistency; thick enough to be sliced in two for
> > margarine or butter to be spread plus maybe jam. They tend to fall
> > into three categories - plain, fruit or cheese. A particular delicacy
> > in the West Country, where I now live, is a "cream tea" - scones,
> > jam and whipped or clotted cream.
> 
> 
> montims:
> Just to confuse matters, I was talking about American "biscuits", which look
> identical, though bigger, to British scones, not what Brits call biscuits,
> which are of course called cookies in America...
> By the way, Geoff - do you put jam on the cream, or cream on the jam?

Geoff:
The usual way is to put the jam on first which leaves room for plenty of cream.
:-)

Some of us - myself included - start off with margarine or butter at the bottom.....




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Mon May 28 15:50:53 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:50:53 EDT
Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths
Message-ID: <c6a.10c470f7.338c545d@aol.com>

Two wizard rock bands will be playing nearby next month: The  Remus Lupins 
and The Parselmouths. Has anyone ever see them play? They will be  playing at 
the library, of course.
 
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(http://www.myspace.com/theremuslupins) 
 
_http://www.myspace.com/theparselmouths_ 
(http://www.myspace.com/theparselmouths) 
 
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From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Tue May 29 03:55:54 2007
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:55:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <f3dt2a+2h02@eGroups.com>
References: <f3dt2a+2h02@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <12f6cc06ff1e60a2d49132ceb9ede339@fandm.edu>

>> montims:
>> Just to confuse matters, I was talking about American "biscuits", 
>> which look
>> identical, though bigger, to British scones, not what Brits call 
>> biscuits,
>> which are of course called cookies in America...
>> By the way, Geoff - do you put jam on the cream, or cream on the jam?
>
> Geoff:
> The usual way is to put the jam on first which leaves room for plenty 
> of cream.
> :-)
>
> Some of us - myself included - start off with margarine or butter at 
> the bottom....

Laura chimes in, uninvited:

This American bakes the scones/biscuits so that they pull apart in the 
middle, then loads each side with clotted cream and puts a dab of 
raspberry jam on top.  Until I discovered the pure ecstasy of clotted 
cream however, I would just use a bit of butter with the jam.

Honestly, though, I have never had real clotted cream, which is made in 
Devon or Cornwall by a particular method.  I make my own by heating a 
mixture of different weight creams in a double broiler for about a day 
and then leaving it in the fridge overnight.  It's delicious, though, 
and very versatile -- I use it in my tea, on fruitcake, with 
vegetables, on sandwiches, etc. etc. ^_~ (Yes, I am a bit mad.)

Speaking of food items that I learned of while in Scotland, can I just 
mention the abomination known as 'pickles'?  I can hardly believe this 
stuff has escaped the attention (and condemnation) of the world, while 
poor Vegemite has gotten such a bad press.  For those of you in the UK, 
in the US, 'pickles' are pickled cucumbers (such as a gherkin).  For 
those in the US, 'pickles' in the UK is a gelatinous, dark green 
condiment.  So far, no one has been able to explain to me what exactly 
is in it, although the consensus seems to be that it is, in fact, made 
from pickled vegetables of some sort.  In reality, however, I suspect 
it is actually a type of alien goo.

I once watched by boyfriend's flatmate make himself 12 egg and pickles 
sandwiches.  It was horrifying.

Laura







From random832 at fastmail.us  Tue May 29 11:51:24 2007
From: random832 at fastmail.us (Jordan Abel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:51:24 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <12f6cc06ff1e60a2d49132ceb9ede339@fandm.edu>
References: <f3dt2a+2h02@eGroups.com> <12f6cc06ff1e60a2d49132ceb9ede339@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <F0EE2E8A-9CB1-4758-A04B-C66B9D349383@fastmail.us>


On May 28, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Laura Ingalls Huntley wrote:

>
> Speaking of food items that I learned of while in Scotland, can I just
> mention the abomination known as 'pickles'?  I can hardly believe this
> stuff has escaped the attention (and condemnation) of the world, while
> poor Vegemite has gotten such a bad press.  For those of you in the  
> UK,
> in the US, 'pickles' are pickled cucumbers (such as a gherkin).  For
> those in the US, 'pickles' in the UK is a gelatinous, dark green
> condiment.  So far, no one has been able to explain to me what exactly
> is in it, although the consensus seems to be that it is, in fact, made
> from pickled vegetables of some sort.  In reality, however, I suspect
> it is actually a type of alien goo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branston_Pickle appears to explain it,  
or at least something consistent with your description.



From briggielockyer at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 14:45:13 2007
From: briggielockyer at yahoo.com (briggielockyer)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:13 -0000
Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths
In-Reply-To: <c6a.10c470f7.338c545d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f3he9p+c36q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
>
> Two wizard rock bands will be playing nearby next month: The  Remus 
Lupins 
> and The Parselmouths. Has anyone ever see them play? They will be  
playing at 
> the library, of course.


Hello!
I am breifly coming out of lurkdom to express how much I love Remus 
and the Lupins!  Alex is a very talented musician and an awesome 
performer.  I have the Remus Lupin cd and absolutely love it.  I also 
got to see him play at the Lumos conference and can't wait to see him 
perform again at Prophecy.  If you get the chance to see him in 
concert I would. As far as the Parselmouths, I have only heard what 
they have on their myspace page, but I have heard a few people say 
that they are really great live.  If you have the opportunity to go 
see either band I would recommend it.  It is a really great 
experience to see very creative people entertaining crowds that all 
have an interest in Harry, and Harry Potter fans are some of the best 
people I have gotten to meet.
-Brigitte
 




From kadedeetje at skynet.be  Tue May 29 16:46:01 2007
From: kadedeetje at skynet.be (kadedeetje)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:46:01 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <F0EE2E8A-9CB1-4758-A04B-C66B9D349383@fastmail.us>
Message-ID: <DOEFLIDPHADPPFGNNEINOEINKAAA.kadedeetje@skynet.be>

Here on mainland Europe (or Belgium more specific) the term we us is pickles
also, but I believe that it should be piccalilly. The piccalilly we have
(Bister is the brand name) is a bright yellow and tastes very good with
(sweet) carrots but I also know this is a bit of an acquired taste. My mum
had craves for the stuff back when she was pregnant with a few of siblings.

The colour (yellow as far as I know) comes from the spices used, so that
might explain the greener variety you speak of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccalilli
http://www.bister.com/EN/mustard-products/products-piccalilli-general.asp?me
nuid=2

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jordan Abel
Sent: 29 May 2007 13:51
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack



On May 28, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Laura Ingalls Huntley wrote:

>
> Speaking of food items that I learned of while in Scotland, can I just
> mention the abomination known as 'pickles'? I can hardly believe this
> stuff has escaped the attention (and condemnation) of the world, while
> poor Vegemite has gotten such a bad press. For those of you in the
> UK,
> in the US, 'pickles' are pickled cucumbers (such as a gherkin). For
> those in the US, 'pickles' in the UK is a gelatinous, dark green
> condiment. So far, no one has been able to explain to me what exactly
> is in it, although the consensus seems to be that it is, in fact, made
> from pickled vegetables of some sort. In reality, however, I suspect
> it is actually a type of alien goo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branston_Pickle appears to explain it,
or at least something consistent with your description.





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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed May 30 16:39:06 2007
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:39:06 EDT
Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths
Message-ID: <ca5.f975665.338f02aa@aol.com>

 
 
Thanks, Brigitte! I do plan on going--I really wouldn't want to miss it. I  
love the slogan on his My Space page: "Fight Evil. Read Books." 
 
---Mary, hoping to finish her Molly Weasley sweater before the  performances
 
In a message dated 5/30/2007 6:25:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:

Hello!
I am briefly coming out of lurkdom to express how much I love  Remus 
and the Lupins! Alex is a very talented musician and an awesome  
performer. 





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From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Wed May 30 18:53:45 2007
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:53:45 -0000
Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths
In-Reply-To: <ca5.f975665.338f02aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f3kh7p+91eg@eGroups.com>

I have a button with that slogan, that he gave me at Lumos!  
I wear it proudly and often.
I'm a librarian.  *grin*


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at ... wrote:
>
>  
>  
> Thanks, Brigitte! I do plan on going--I really wouldn't want to 
miss it. I  
> love the slogan on his My Space page: "Fight Evil. Read Books." 
>  
> ---Mary, hoping to finish her Molly Weasley sweater before the  
performances
>  
> In a message dated 5/30/2007 6:25:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> Hello!
> I am briefly coming out of lurkdom to express how much I love  
Remus 
> and the Lupins! Alex is a very talented musician and an awesome  
> performer. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** See what's free at 
http://www.aol.com.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed May 30 20:22:34 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:22:34 -0000
Subject: Watching Daniel...
Message-ID: <f3kmea+e17m@eGroups.com>


This post is written just because I felt I needed to get a little "wow" 
out of my system.  Last night at about ten o'clock in central London, 
I felt blown away ? gobsmacked - Why?

Because I had just come out from seeing "Equus".

I had arranged to go to a performance and booked a ticket two 
months ago, needing to choose a date when my daughter would 
be staying and able to help my wife with our dogs, so it wasn't until 
10:30 yesterday morning that I set out to drive the 170 miles to South 
London for a meal with old friends who were finding me a bed for the 
night. Train and Tube to Piccadilly Circus got me to the Gielgud 
Theatre wondering what to expect.

I had read up on the story and got hold of a copy of the Richard 
Burton/Peter Firth 1977 film but this performance left me breathless. 
I haven't known such an exciting and shattering theatre evening for 
more years than I care to count.

The show has now been running for nearly three months so Daniel 
Radcliffe is comfortably into his part and how! He really brings Alan 
Strang to  life with all his problems and often dominates the action 
and the stage. The end of the First Act and the end of the play are 
terrific moments when the special lighting and sound effects left me 
mentally gasping for a moment. 

I had read that many people thought that film lost the darkness 
of the stage version because it was filmed on location and I must 
say that the stage set which is  a revolving "flat" with just four large 
box shapes which are moved around plus a half circle of doors 
representing the stables with ghostly almost Thestral-like horses 
is sufficiently dark and claustrophobic for the story.

So this morning, I returned the 170 miles to home through pouring 
rain and sunshine, treasuring a night to recall at leisure, back to the 
routines of life. Sic transit gloria mundi. 





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed May 30 22:03:03 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:03:03 -0000
Subject: Brit Food: Pancakes and flapjack
In-Reply-To: <DOEFLIDPHADPPFGNNEINOEINKAAA.kadedeetje@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <f3ksan+ptnn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kadedeetje" <kadedeetje at ...> wrote:
>
> Here on mainland Europe (or Belgium more specific) the term we us is pickles
> also, but I believe that it should be piccalilly. The piccalilly we have
> (Bister is the brand name) is a bright yellow and tastes very good with
> (sweet) carrots but I also know this is a bit of an acquired taste. My mum
> had craves for the stuff back when she was pregnant with a few of siblings.
> 
> The colour (yellow as far as I know) comes from the spices used, so that
> might explain the greener variety you speak of.

Geoff:
I am not a fan of any pickle using them quite rarely - usually with cold 
meat.

Piccallili (with a final i) is quite specifically a mustard pickle hence the 
yellow colour.




From LynnKQuinn at aol.com  Thu May 31 07:27:50 2007
From: LynnKQuinn at aol.com (eyemlynn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:27:50 -0000
Subject: How many times have you read the books?
Message-ID: <f3ltdm+691d@eGroups.com>

 I read my first HP book Jan 06 & I've read them cover to cover about 9 
times. Just curious how often you all have read them.

PS...Are you dressing up for the Potter parties and if so, who will you 
be?

I think I'll be Rita in banana yellow




From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu May 31 14:30:29 2007
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:30:29 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] How many times have you read the books?
Message-ID: <ca8.f0a4f03.33903605@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 5/31/2007 3:28:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
LynnKQuinn at aol.com writes:

I read  my first HP book Jan 06 & I've read them cover to cover about 9 
times.  Just curious how often you all have read them.

PS...Are you dressing up  for the Potter parties and if so, who will you 
be?

I think I'll be  Rita in banana yellow


Sandy:
I read my first HP  book in Dec. 04. In April 05 I started reading them again 
in preparation  for the release of HBP. I hadn't touched them again until I 
started re-reading  them at the beginning of this month in preparation for the 
release of DH. So at  this point I have only read them twice. It has been a 
forced abstinence, though.  I got totally sucked into the world of Harry Potter 
and I didn't want to leave  it. I just wanted to read the books over and over 
again. It's not that this is a  bad thing, but I always have about 25 books on 
my to be read pile, and am always  buying more. So after I read them (HP) for 
the second time I forced myself to  put them away and went back to my regular 
reading. I don't understand the grip  HP has got on me. I have to admit that 
I don't enjoy my regular reading nearly  as much now as I did before I started 
reading HP. Now that I am re-reading HP  again it is like visiting an old 
friend and I don't want to  leave.
 
Someone asked me  recently what my new obsession was going to be now that 
Harry Potter is coming  to a close. Since I have never been obsessed like this 
over anything else I  would think nothing. I'm sure my HP obsession will  
continue.
 
I am dressing up  for the release party I am going to, much to the chagrin of 
the person I am  going with. I'm not going as any particular character. I 
have ordered a  custom-made Hogwarts student robe but decided on plain black - no 
House color  lining. I have both a witch and wizard hat and will probably 
wear the witch one,  and I have my magic wand. I am of an age to go as McGonagall 
but I couldn't  afford that robe. Too bad because green is my favorite  color.
 
Sandy



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From briggielockyer at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 14:43:08 2007
From: briggielockyer at yahoo.com (briggielockyer)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:43:08 -0000
Subject: The Remus Lupins and The Parselmouths
In-Reply-To: <f3kh7p+91eg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f3mmts+aieh@eGroups.com>

Good Luck on the sweater.  I am trying to finish up a hufflepuff 
colored blanket before Prophecy (don't think I am quite going to make 
it).  I like that slogan, but I love how he signs all of his 
posts "Hugs and Chocolate" it makes me laugh.  

-Brigitte
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg@ wrote:
> >
> >  
> >  
> > Thanks, Brigitte! I do plan on going--I really wouldn't want to 
> miss it. I  
> > love the slogan on his My Space page: "Fight Evil. Read Books." 
> >  
> > ---Mary, hoping to finish her Molly Weasley sweater before the  
> performances





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu May 31 14:57:48 2007
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:57:48 -0400
Subject: New Potter News On CNN
Message-ID: <001701c7a394$110c8930$66a4a8c0@rosie>

Oh--I am really looking forward to 2009 when, according to a snip on CNN
Headline News, a Harry Potter Theme Park will be opening in the Orlando,
Florida, area.  According to CNN, J.K. has given the green light on the
project and it should be opening in 2009.  I'd better save my pennies as I
intend to go and have a good time!

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.


Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu May 31 15:16:41 2007
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:16:41 -0000
Subject: New Potter News On CNN
In-Reply-To: <001701c7a394$110c8930$66a4a8c0@rosie>
Message-ID: <f3mosp+1kod@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mrs. Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)" 
<n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> Oh--I am really looking forward to 2009 when, according to a snip on CNN
> Headline News, a Harry Potter Theme Park will be opening in the Orlando,
> Florida, area.  According to CNN, J.K. has given the green light on the
> project and it should be opening in 2009.  I'd better save my pennies as I
> intend to go and have a good time!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)
> 

Geoff:
It was given the full works on BBC Breakfast this morning - about 
a two minute report twice within the hour.

I reserve judgment. Call me old-fashioned but I'm always a tad 
suspicious of theme parks.....




From rdransom at verizon.net  Thu May 31 15:24:24 2007
From: rdransom at verizon.net (rdransom1)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:24:24 -0000
Subject: How many times have you read the books?
In-Reply-To: <f3ltdm+691d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f3mpb8+m5c2@eGroups.com>

I've read each one as they come out, but also before each one comes 
out, I re-read all of the previous ones leading up to it. Also, 
whenever a movie comes out, I read all of the books that lead up to and 
include the movie book - I just started over and finished Sorcerer's 
Stone and am begining Chamber - I don't know how many times that makes 
that I've read them - I have only read Half Blood once, however - that 
one was really tough to read, I don't look forward to reading about 
Dumbledore again - He is actually my favorite character - 

RDR




From rdransom at verizon.net  Thu May 31 15:17:05 2007
From: rdransom at verizon.net (rdransom1)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:17:05 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009!
Message-ID: <f3moth+s6vi@eGroups.com>

Check it out!  It will be in Orlando (of course) it sounds pretty cool -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070531/en_nm/arts_potter_dc_2;_ylt=AnFMP3Q8
CLAAgo0k9EBM5vAE1vAI

RDR




From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 17:10:26 2007
From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:10:26 -0000
Subject: How many times have you read the books?
In-Reply-To: <f3mpb8+m5c2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f3mvi2+u35m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "rdransom1" <rdransom at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I've read each one as they come out, but also before each one 
comes 
> out, I re-read all of the previous ones leading up to it. Also, 
> whenever a movie comes out, I read all of the books that lead up 
to and 
> include the movie book - 


Dondee:

Re-reading the books up to GoF just before the movie came out really 
backfired and ruined the movie for me. All I could think about 
through the whole thing was "That's not right, where did that come 
from? Where the hell are Doby and Winkie!" I finaly got excited and 
into it in the graveyard scene with the most excellent Ray Fiennes 
playing Voldie and then it dashed my hopes again with DD ineffectual 
comforting Harry in the dorm and Hermionie's "Everything's going to 
change" mini-meltdown. (Apologies to those who enjoyed the movie.) 
Did anyone else have this problem? 



I just started over and finished Sorcerer's 
> Stone and am begining Chamber - I don't know how many times that 
makes 
> that I've read them - I have only read Half Blood once, however - 
that 
> one was really tough to read, I don't look forward to reading 
about 
> Dumbledore again - He is actually my favorite character - 
> 
> RDR
>

Reading all of the scenes with DD and Harry before he dies are much 
more significant and special knowing what is to come - and following 
the ambigous path that leads Snape to that scene on the tower is 
much more significant as well.

Cheers, Dondee





From zeldazamboni at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 21:35:22 2007
From: zeldazamboni at yahoo.com (Zelda Zunk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:35:22 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Theme Park in 2009!
In-Reply-To: <f3moth+s6vi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <f3nf2q+207l@eGroups.com>

Official park website now open; visitors can sign up for e-mail updates.

http://www.universalorlando.com/harrypotter/

Looks pretty cool!

Zelda Zunk
Corsets & Capes