Wondering

[lizzyben04]

> Katie wrote:
> > Can you explain why you think homosexuality is a moral crime? If 
> > that is, in fact, what you're saying here?
> 
> Del replies:
> Homosexuality is not the moral crime I'm referring to here. If you 
go
> back a few posts, you'll see that the original crime I was talking
> about was "spreading the lie that it's gays and lesbians who molest
> children". Susan answered that it's not a crime to say hateful 
things
> about gays and lesbians, to which I answered that I was thinking 
more
> along the lines of a moral crime.
<snip>
> If I go back and reread my own posts, I'll see those multiple
> instances (including in the very first post) where I explicitely 
state
> that in my theory DD is not gay at all, but only ephebophile. I 
don't
> see how I could make it any clearer.

lizzyben:

I think one problem might be that you're referring to 
both "ephebophiles" and gays & so people aren't clear as to which 
group you're talking about. For example, in the last post at the 
main HPFGU site:

"Lanval:
> Now, please do elaborate how your examples compare to consenting
> adults entering into a relationship based on love and/or mutual
> sexual attraction. Yes? Who's the victim? Where's the crime?

Del:
I cannot elaborate since this would be OT, however I do want to point
out that most people who oppose homosexuality *do* see both a crime
and a set of victims, not necessarily in the act or the partners
themselves, but in the more global concept of homosexuality. It's a
matter of different worldviews and entirely different moralities -
something much more akin to the "House-Elf enslavement" problem than
to the Muggleborn problem, IMO.

Del"

lizzyben:

Here, you aren't talking about ephebophiles, but homosexuality in 
general. And stating that there is both a crime & a set of victims 
in the concept of homosexuality in general. As requested, I'm 
posting to the OT site to ask if you could elaborate on that. 
Because Lanval did create a moral limitation "things that HURT 
people/things that do not", and you stated that homosexuality is 
still in the first category, but I don't understand the reasoning 
behind this statement. What is the crime/victim in the "global 
concept of homosexuality? How is homosexuality in any way paralell 
to "House elf enslavement"? I'm not seeing the analogy there.


lizzyben