Order of the Phoenix in Vold War I / suspended Potioncat / Coffee

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35878>:

<< I certainly don't think that the Order members died because of DD's
throwing the Order members' lives away. They were probably aware of
the taboo if it existed, even if DD in his ivory tower wasn't. I think
it was Peter's treachery, which began at least a year before the
Potters died according to Sirius Black, that got so members killed. >>

I'm inclined to think that the main reason Order members were killed
was that they were doing dangerous work. I'm not clear on what a
non-governmental organization could do to fight Lord Voldemort, but I
imagine that one thing they did was to find out through spies when the
DEs had scheduled a 'hit' on some family, and then guard that family.
In some cases, family members could be smuggled into hiding, but the
adult Auror or whatever had been targeted because of thwarting some DE
plans has to stay and work because his/her work is so important
against Voldemort, so if there were always two Order members hanging
out with the guy, and six DEs attacked the house in the night, there'd
be a big duel with at least the bad guys using lethal curses.

Did they try to find evidence identifying DE spies/operatives in the
Ministry? Then what: hand the evidence over to trustworthy Aurors like
Moody, try to turn the spy or use him/her to send false information to
LV, kill the spy, try to lift any DE Imperius Curse that had been cast
on the spy? That sounds like the same work as done by Aurors.

Did they do research to detect and cure the Imperius Curse and to find
shields against all three Forbidden Curses?

But I still wonder what it means that DD taught his followers to call
Voldemort by name, but doing so turned out to be a bad thing for Harry.

Potioncat wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35885>:

<< So suspended is my disbelief, that I thought you wrote that you
didn't know if [Coleridge and Wordsworth] belonged "to" the main list,
so you posted here so they would see it. >>

I love it!
 
bboyminn wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35881>:

<< Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried Ice Cream in your
coffee? >>

An nectar and ambrosia luxury is a scoop of vanilla chocolate chip ice
cream in a large cup of Nestle's Hot Chocolate (which I always make
with boiling water and then add some homogenized milk, not try to make
steamed milk to make it with). The ice cream melts almost immediately
so the drink is on the cool side -- cooler than hot summer room
temperature -- but its so yummy it takes immense will power not to
inhale it instantly, and then have none left.

There are two reasons for putting milk or half-and-half (or cream, if
one can get it) into coffee. One is to cool it down so as not to burn
one's mouth, and the other is to disguise the nasty taste. Sugar meets
only the second of these reasons. I suppose powdered creamer meets the
second for people who can stand it, which I can't.

I used to know a man who drank like 16 cups of coffee a day and he
took his coffee half homogenized milk, half sugar, and a teaspoon of
coffee. I once said to him: "You don't like coffee' and he was
shocked: "I LOVE coffee! I drink 16 cups a day!" and he seemed
unconvinced by my explanation: "If you liked coffee, you wouldn't
cover up all the coffee taste.'

Kemper replied to Steve bboyminn in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35883>:

<< By 'fancy gourmet', you mean coffee drinks (mochas, lattes, etc.)
right? Because black coffee has zero fat and zero calories.>>

A real espresso is just burned bitter black coffee, a real cappuchino
is just espresso with steamed milk, a real latte is just black coffee
with steamed milk ... adding sugar and putting cream on top is an
American addition ... the very high calorie ambrosias are the,
whatyacallem, blended iced mocha latte cream ... I just call them
'cappuchino slurpees'. Sometimes I have trouble ordering one at my two
favorite places, Panini and Union Bagel, because I can't remember the
different names they have for the same 'milk shake'. I don't have them
often, for money reasons not health-nazi reasons.

bdclark wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35887>:

<< sorry <hic> that's what happens <hic> whin you drink <hic> <hic>
dnirk.... <hic>  when ya drink and post.... >>

Not drinking coffee and tea (my pathetic attempt to combine threads).

Steve bboyminn quoted in
<vhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35911>:

<< a cup of coffee created with a liquid concentrate made by an
ancient Peruvian process. >>

Either the process was originally used for something other than
coffee, or the word 'ancient' needs a more exact definition. Coffee
comes from Ethiopa and is not native to the New World, so Peruvians
couldn't have done anything with coffee before the Spanish brought it
to Peru. Yes, I know there is evidence that Polynesians brought
chickens to Peru before European contact, but I know no evidence that
the Polynesians had coffee at that time.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee> The Wikipedia article
on History of Coffee says 'The earliest mention of coffee may be a
reference to Bunchum in the works of the 10th century CE Persian
physician Razi, but more definite information on the preparation of a
beverage from the roasted coffee berries dates from several centuries
later.' 

'Coffee beans were first exported from Ethiopia to Yemen. Yemeni
traders brought coffee back to their homeland and began to cultivate
the bean.[citation needed] The first coffee house was Kiva Han, which
opened in Istanbul in 1471[3]' 

'The first European coffee house (apart from those in the Ottoman
Empire, mentioned above) was opened in Italy in 1645.[3]'

'The introduction of coffee to the Americas is attributed to France
through its colonization of many parts of the continent starting with
the Martinique and the colonies of the West Indies where the first
French coffee plantations were founded. The first coffee plantation in
Brazil occurred in 1727 when Lt. Col. Francisco de Melo Palheta
smuggled seeds from French Guiana.'

The dates stated are so shockingly recent that I feel that the only
place that could have an 'ancient' process for coffee is Ethiopia.