From donnawonna at att.net Fri Aug 1 03:21:00 2008 From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:21:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: New J. K. Rowling Book Message-ID: <4892811A.00000B.03428@LIFESAVER> Donna: I received notice from Barnes and Noble that a new book, The Tales of Beedle the Bard, is scheduled to be released on December 4, 2008. The book contains all five tales left to Hermione by Dumbledore in Deathly Hallows. This may be old news but it's new to me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From utkari02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 04:45:07 2008 From: utkari02 at yahoo.com (Kari) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:45:07 -0000 Subject: Azkatraz 2009 Message-ID: For Immediate Release (July 31, 2008) HP Education Fanon, Inc. (HPEF ) proudly announces Azkatraz! The event formerly known as "Level Two" has undergone an extreme makeover and is now Azkatraz. New city; new dates; new ideas; new team: One incredible event! Azkatraz will be held July 18-21, 2009, in San Francisco, California. Details including hotel, registration rates, and schedule to follow. The team of organizers brings together our twin populations of academics and fans in perhaps our most exciting matchup yet. Formal Programming is headed by Emma Grant, NQ Donne, and Flourish, who among them have years of fandom experience, academic credentials, and writing credit. Our theme, "The Choice Between What is Right and What is Easy," brings the backdrop of Alcatraz / Azkaban to the forefront of the real issues of social justice, gender equality, tolerance, and due process, as they are reflected in the Harry Potter books and the larger contexts of fandom and the world around us. There will also be programming focused on the analysis and integration to canon of the forthcoming "Tales of Beedle the Bard" collections from Scholastic, Bloomsbury, and Amazon. New to the 2009 HPEF symposium will be a one-day MPA program ? "Master of Potter Administration" ? which will focus on the ways in which Harry Potter has impacted business and industry, including marketing, online ordering, special effects, and more. The track will run alongside our regular programming, but will feature breakfast, a special luncheon speaker, and a brief networking reception at the end of the day. As with all our educational programming, HPEF will endeavor to make continuing education credit or certification available to anyone who attends. Our Informal Programming plans, as implemented by Lauren Johnson, Jodie Baird, and their excellent team, promise to provide endlessly diverting ways to understand and interpret Harry Potter's world and the world of fandom. Proposed events include a History of Wizarding Fashion Show, a ghost tour and Death Eaters' reception on Alcatraz (no Dark Mark required!), a pre-event Mixer/Mingler on Friday night before our official start, the return of the highly successful Fandom Swap Meet, Common Room programming, and a special concert to "Wrock the Rock". Also returning next year will be our continued Young Adult Authors' Readings series, Quidditch, the Ball, Podcasts, the Art Gallery and auction, cosplay, Cinema Alley, "Diagon" Alley and of course, the chance to see and hang out with all your fan friends. We still have many staff positions available, including everything from Decorations to Registration to Common Room. All positions are volunteer only, with modest perks. For more information or to volunteer, please join our Yahoo Group or our Live Journal . You can also see our MySpace , Facebook , InsaneJournal , and Journalfen accounts, and view the official Azkatraz website at http://www.hp2009.org. See our official Press Release here ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 1 06:31:58 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:31:58 -0000 Subject: HBP Trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Carol: > > > Also, can anyone help me with Mrs. Cole's words? I can understand > "Since he's been here, he's never had a visitor," but not what comes > before that. Jen: > > Mrs. Cole: "In all the years Tom's been here, he's never once had a > visitor..." Carol: > Thanks. That's what the shot-by-shot analysis that I linked to in the > movie group said as well, so it must be right. Also, now that I know > what she's saying, I can "hear" (understand, interpret) her words. I > don't know whether it's my ears, the sound quality (does HD relate > only to the video or to the audio as well?) or just my relative lack > of exposure to British accents other than "received pronunciation." (I > have no trouble understanding Hagrid, though.) Anyway, did anyone else > find Mrs. Cole difficult to understand? Geoff: Speaking as a UK English native, I had no problem with that comment. Mrs.Cole speaks a fairly good English, a kind of "educated London but not posh" - if that makes any sense. Interestingly, I had more trouble picking up Tom Riddle's comments about "making bad things happen". I'm more inclined to think that it's the quality of the clip. From Schlobin at aol.com Fri Aug 1 06:40:59 2008 From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:40:59 -0000 Subject: HBP Trailer - WOW and now Beedle, too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am so delighted with the trailer. I was so very totally disappointed with the OotP movie - I have high hopes for this one based on the trailer. I'm lucky in that my entire family both my kids and my beloved partner (about to be spouse)read and re-read and discuss the books - and go to all the movies and watch them endlessly, etc. I also have two or three adult friends who are ALMOST as excited as I am.... Anyway, did everyone see that Beedle the Bard will have commentary by Professor Dumbledore! I can't wait....! I also (and I am very happy to think this) have now pretty much decided that Ms. Rowling will not be able to leave the Potter universe, and we will be reading more Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling in the years to come. Yay! Susan From macboysmom at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 12:48:03 2008 From: macboysmom at comcast.net (Leeann McCullough) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:48:03 -0000 Subject: HBP Trailer - WOW and now Beedle, too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I took my teenagers to see the new Mummy movie last night at midnight just so I could see the trailer. They teased me the entire time we were waiting for it. I had seen it online, but to see it on the big screen was amazing. I can't wait until November! I made a deal with said teenagers. Make the honor roll (top marks) the first report period and I will take them to the midnight show of HBP. I'm not sure who that would benefit...oh well. They seemed to be excited about it. I'll keep my fingers crossed! Last night was indeed a double treat. I was so happy to get my e- mail from Borders about Beedle. That will be pre-ordered as well!!! Leeann --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" wrote: > > I am so delighted with the trailer. I was so very totally disappointed > with the OotP movie - I have high hopes for this one based on the > trailer. I'm lucky in that my entire family both my kids and my beloved > partner (about to be spouse)read and re-read and discuss the books - > and go to all the movies and watch them endlessly, etc. I also have two > or three adult friends who are ALMOST as excited as I am.... > > Anyway, did everyone see that Beedle the Bard will have commentary by > Professor Dumbledore! I can't wait....! > > I also (and I am very happy to think this) have now pretty much decided > that Ms. Rowling will not be able to leave the Potter universe, and we > will be reading more Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling in the years to come. > > Yay! > > Susan > From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 14:59:05 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:59:05 -0000 Subject: Creating a tinyurl link Message-ID: Moving this thread over from the Movie Group: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/15019 Heather: > Carol, it isn't in a toolbar. You go to the website > www.tinyurl.com. Once you get to that site, you copy and paste the > original websites address (i.e. www.yahoo.com or whatever, etc) and > press the get tiny url button. It will then give you a smaller url > to post to groups and such. Carol: > Thanks. I found that out by Googling. But I think Jen must have > downloaded something so that she can create the tinyurls from > whatever page she's on. Jen: OK, now I understand what the problem is. Heather is right about the tinyurl.com site. The page I was describing previously on the Movie list was the tinyurl site and not the Moviefone site. The only thing you need from the original website, in this case the Moviefone site, is the address. So I went to the Moviefone site where the trailer is located, copied the address from the address bar on my toolbar, then went to the tinyurl site. I pasted the original Moviefone address into the small box above which are the words: "Enter a long URL to make tiny." Once you paste it in, then you click on the button right next to the box on the right that says: "Make TinyURL" Now at that point, a dialog box popped up saying something like "do you want to allow this webpage access to your clipboard?" I clicked on 'allow access'. Next, a screen on the tinyurl site appeared saying that my tinyurl was created, then gave me the original longer link followed by the tinyurl link. I then copied the tinyurl link & pasted it into my post. Jen From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Aug 1 15:44:03 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:44:03 -0000 Subject: Potioncat's TV screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol responds: > It sounds like a problem with your settings. Are you sure it's not the > monitor? Check the buttons on the front. If there's not one for > Contrast or something similar, or if there are just little icons whose > meaning you don't know, just push them to see what they do. snip> > Carol, who is pretty sure that your problem with dark images can be > easily solved > Potioncat: I supect the problem could be easily solved "if" we had the right information, but isn't worth calling the Geek Squad. Adjusting the contrast or brightness on the monitor allows me make it darker, but it's already as bright as it's going to get. I think we tried to use a different monitor once and had the same problem, so it looks like the bug is in the computer itself. By today's standards, it's an old machine. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 17:10:35 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:10:35 -0000 Subject: Creating a tinyurl link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > > Thanks. I found that out by Googling. But I think Jen must have > > downloaded something so that she can create the tinyurls from > > whatever page she's on. Jen: I wrote out my long explanation then realized you were saying you already *know* how to create the link on the tinyurl site. Duh! Sorry 'bout that, Carol. Maybe someone else can use the info. As for creating a tinyurl link while at the site you're interested in, I have no clue. Goddlefrood might know; he's handy with all this tech stuff. You out there GF? From annemehr at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 23:18:51 2008 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:18:51 -0000 Subject: Creating a tinyurl link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > Next, a screen on the tinyurl site appeared saying that my tinyurl > was created, then gave me the original longer link followed by the > tinyurl link. I then copied the tinyurl link & pasted it into my > post. > > Jen > One other thing: usually when I'm posting a tinyurl link, I'll also post the really long link with it (even though it's probably going to get broken), so that people can see where they are going before they click. I usually don't like to follow links blindly myself. Annemehr From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:00:17 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:00:17 -0000 Subject: New J. K. Rowling Book In-Reply-To: <4892811A.00000B.03428@LIFESAVER> Message-ID: Donna: > I received notice from Barnes and Noble that a new book, The Tales of Beedle the Bard, is scheduled to be released on December 4, 2008. The book contains all five tales left to Hermione by Dumbledore in Deathly Hallows. This may be old news but it's new to me. > > Carol responds: Yes, translated by Hermione from runes to English, with footnotes and (presumably) marginal notes by Dumbledore from the copy he gave to Hermione. I suspect that the best part will be the marginalia. Actually, of course, the runes are a script not a language but JKR calls it a translation. http://tinyurl.com/6cc62k See, Jen, I did it, but from the tinyurl website and not the webpage for the news story. Carol, not intending to buy the book at present and hoping that the tinyurl works From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:12:15 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:12:15 -0000 Subject: HBP Trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geoff: > Speaking as a UK English native, I had no problem with that comment. Mrs.Cole speaks a fairly good English, a kind of "educated London but not posh" - if that makes any sense. Interestingly, I had more trouble picking up Tom Riddle's comments about "making bad things happen". I'm more inclined to think that it's the quality of the clip. Carol: I had no problem at all with Tommy (though I think he left out or slurred to "to" in "I can speak to snakes." With Mrs. Cole, the clearest word was "bean," erm, "been" (which, being American, I pronounce "bin"). The part about not having visitors was clear enough to be intelligible, but "In all the years" wasn't clear at all. Maybe she rushed it? At any rate, the clip is in HD, so the video is as clear as it can be on a computer monitor, but I don't know whether high defitintion relates to audio or not. If it does, the problem isn't the quality of the clip but the way that she speaks. Question for Geoff: Is Mrs. Cole's accent the same as Mrs. Weasley's ("Where *have* you *bean* [been]"?) I sometimes need subtitles to understand her, so it could just be that same not-quite-posh London accent. Carol, wondering whether Londoners still have trouble understanding people from Yorkshire (and vice versa) as they did in the fifteenth through nineteenth centuries (at least) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:23:20 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:23:20 -0000 Subject: Creating a tinyurl link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen: > OK, now I understand what the problem is. Heather is right about the tinyurl.com site. The page I was describing previously on the Movie list was the tinyurl site and not the Moviefone site. > > The only thing you need from the original website, in this case the Moviefone site, is the address. I then copied the tinyurl link & pasted it into my post. Carol responds: Right. I went to the site and did just that in another post; did you see? (Pats self on back.) But, apparently, it's also possible to add a tinyurl icon to your browser's toolbar so you can create a tinyurl from any page. (I haven't done it, though, so I don't know whether it would be added to all my browsers or only the one I was using at the time.) http://tinyurl.com/#toolbar Carol, who likes learning adding to her technical knowledge a tiny bit at a time From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:28:40 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:28:40 -0000 Subject: Potioncat's TV screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > Carol responds: > > It sounds like a problem with your settings. Are you sure it's not the > > monitor? Check the buttons on the front. If there's not one for > > Contrast or something similar, or if there are just little icons whose > > meaning you don't know, just push them to see what they do. > > snip> > > Carol, who is pretty sure that your problem with dark images can be easily solved > > > > Potioncat: > I supect the problem could be easily solved "if" we had the right information, but isn't worth calling the Geek Squad. > > Adjusting the contrast or brightness on the monitor allows me make it darker, but it's already as bright as it's going to get. I think we tried to use a different monitor once and had the same problem, so it looks like the bug is in the computer itself. > > By today's standards, it's an old machine. > Carol responds: Maybe you need a new video card? Or it could be the settings. How old a computer and which operating system (Windows version) do you have (assuming that it's not a Mac)? Do you know how to get into Device Manager to see if the device (monitor, video card, or whatever) is working properly? Carol, who has Windows XP but still remembers, sort of, where to look for stuff in Windows 98 From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:37:58 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:37:58 -0000 Subject: Potioncat's computer problem (Was: Potioncat's TV screen) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > Maybe you need a new video card? Or it could be the settings. How old a computer and which operating system (Windows version) do you have (assuming that it's not a Mac)? Carol: Just realizing that it's not your *TV* screen you're having trouble with, so I'm changing the thread title, probably too late to do any good. Carol, whose sleep cycle is out of whack and suspects that her brain is not functioning at peak efficiency! From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 10:04:01 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Is everyone ready to party? Birthdays X 3! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <41920.5952.qm@web63411.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > > > > Sheryll: > > > > I'm guessing I'm old enough to be > Neville's gran, too, > > considering my daughter turns 25 today! > > Mike: > Oh you are not, Sheryll. Neville turned 28 today, July 30, > 2008. > Happy birthday to the Nagini slayer. > > That's three years *older* than your daughter, let > alone any > granchillins you may have. I'm older than you and I > have one > granchillin, and I'm only 4 years older than James and > Lily. > > Mike, who's not sure about Tonks_op, but knows she was > once *AU* > married to Dumbledore, so who knows ;-) > Sheryll: Hey, you're not that much older than I am, Mike. I just hide the grey hair better. As for grandchillins, none of those here. My daughter has been known to kick boyfriends to the curb for trying to deter her from her plans for herself. Sheryll, who *feels* like Neville's grandma on some days :) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 2 10:29:18 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:29:18 -0000 Subject: ANSI/List of Changes/HawaiiEastOfUSA/RedAndWhite/Hippogriff Message-ID: I read Horace Walpole's essay with interest but didn't write down any comments on it. Carol wrote in : << Or it would be if I knew what ANSI >> Like Steve bboyminn said, American National Standards Institute. Pronounced like 'antsy'. Back in those happy days when I was a mainframe/COBOL programmer, I got quite used to the adjective 'ANSI standard'. For example, every COBOL compiler has to have a number of specified commands that do specified things in order to be ANSI standard COBOL, and give you a chance that your program will still work when copied to a different computer with a different compiler. I remember my shock when I encountered mention of an ANSI standard that had nothing to do with Electronic Data Processing: I think it may have been scissors whose labelled boasted that they were made of steel that met an ANSI standard for corrosion resistance. In this modern world, it's ISO standards of which people speak (Usually to complain). Both ANSI and ISO can be looked up in Wikipedia. Carol wrote in : << hoping that Catlady found the right page [] >> Thank you, I did. The list of changes to PS/SS didn't mention anything about Marcus Flint's year. I thought she had corrected that, but I'm glad if she didn't: I LIKED him being held back a year. Carol wrote in : << not to mention corrected any factual errors, like Hawaii being east of the continental United States! >> Thank you for giving me another chance to post my theory that that was the spell checker's fault. The poor author typed a letter transposition 'ewst' and the spell checker changed 'ewst' to 'east'. Potioncat wrote in : << we celebrate Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day at our church by wearing either white or red roses. White in memory of and red in honor of. >> Does anyone remember about red poppies and white poppies on Veterans' Day? (Armistice Day) melody_wood14 wrote in : << http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=808117925 Is it a hippogriph >> Whatever it is, it is not a hippogriff. Hippogriffs have wings and that thing clearly does not have wings. Hippogriffs also have hooves on their back feet and talons on their front feet and an eagle head with eagle beak. Hey, I just realised this gives me an excuse to post something I posted in a different group under the subject "What Hippogriffs Are For"! :::: I can never understand how Draco Malfoy (in PoA) was so very ignorant of the correct way to approach a hippogriff, considering that his grandfather, Abraxas Malfoy, was such a notable Gribbo player, and owned such a notable string of hippogriffs. Gribbo, also called Grippo, Grappo, Griffgraff and Hippogriff Grab, is a wizard sport over one thousand years old. All players ride hippogriffs, with no saddle nor bridle, only a rope wrapped a couple of times around the beast's neck and torso, then tied, to which the rider may cling. The pitch is a large are with a tall pole at each end, usually adorned with colorful flags and streamers. There is an object called the "prize" and an official called the "honor". The honor holds the prize at the center of the pitch and the players form a ring around him. They wait tensely as the honor flies straight up, higher than the poles, and drops the prize. Only after the prize has left the honor's hands may the hippogriffs fly. The winner is the first player to fly a circle around both poles while holding the prize - that is called a 'prize circle'. The players try to grab the prize from each other with the wizard's hands and feet and the hippogriff's beak and clawed front feet, and try to protect it from the grabbers with evasive maneuvers, two hands, six feet, one beak, and even some teeth, but not with magic. It is strictly against the rules for a player even to carry a wand during a match. No armour is allowed, not even dragonhide clothing, so players wear very thickly quilted trousers and hooded tunics, which did not prevent Abraxas from losing an eye and gaining several dramatic scars, as is usual among Gribbo players. Collisions are another common cause of injury. In Abraxas's time, the prize was usually a live sheep or large dog - live when dropped by the honor, anyway. Tradition states that the sport originally used a captured Muggle as the prize. As the prize is likely to be torn into fragments during the struggle, official matches have rules about what part or weight of the prize qualifies a prize circle. In unofficial matches, this will be decided by friendly consensus or by duels. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 02:43:02 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:43:02 -0000 Subject: ANSI/List of Changes/HawaiiEastOfUSA/RedAndWhite/Hippogriff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote in > : > > << not to mention corrected any factual errors, like Hawaii being east of the continental United States! >> Catlady responded: > Thank you for giving me another chance to post my theory that that was the spell checker's fault. The poor author typed a letter transposition 'ewst' and the spell checker changed 'ewst' to 'east'. Carol again: I don't think so, in this instance. In Word, the spell checker doesn't madke "corrections" automatically, and this particular author was a reasonably good speller. My own theory is that she was just sleepy or not concentrating at that moment. I don't know how many times my fingers have typed out "Voldemort" when I meant "Dumbledore" or vice versa. I think she typed "east" and meant "west." And. of course, not even the best spell checker could catch that sort of error. Which is not to say that I don't agree with you in general about errors, sometimes ludicrous ones, caused by spell checkers. The one in my e-mail program suggested "snake," "snap," and "snapper" for "Snape" (until I added him to the dictionary, that is. Grammar checkers are even worse since they always "himself," "yourself," etc. as errors even when those words used correctly. Unafortunately, the grammar checker's suggestions are rarely humorous. Carol, looking forward to a quiet evening after a hectic day From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 3 17:40:53 2008 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 3 Aug 2008 17:40:53 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 8/3/2008, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1217785253.10.40844.m35@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday August 3, 2008 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 21:55:28 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:55:28 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question Message-ID: Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some English- speaking person explain to me how they understand the following sentence: "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" (Ch. 9, "The Midnight Duel", p.151 Am.ed. or p.113 Br.ed.). It's something that McGonagall says to Wood, after witnessing Harry's dive for the Remembrall. Does "in his hand" define the word "thing" here or does it define the word "caught"? Does the first part of the sentence mean something like "He caught the thing that he is holding now in his hand [Remembrall]", or does it mean "He caught that thing with his hand/into his hand/using his hand"? I will really appreciate your help (off-list is also OK :-)), I'm kind of in the middle of an argument about this sentence, LOL! From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 4 22:43:04 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:43:04 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some English- > speaking person explain to me how they understand the following > sentence: "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" > (Ch. 9, "The Midnight Duel", p.151 Am.ed. or p.113 Br.ed.). It's > something that McGonagall says to Wood, after witnessing Harry's dive > for the Remembrall. > > Does "in his hand" define the word "thing" here or does it define the > word "caught"? Does the first part of the sentence mean something > like "He caught the thing that he is holding now in his hand > [Remembrall]", or does it mean "He caught that thing with his hand/into > his hand/using his hand"? > > I will really appreciate your help (off-list is also OK :-)), I'm kind > of in the middle of an argument about this sentence, LOL! Geoff: Curiously, I'm in the middle of a re-read of "Philosopher's Stone" and read this passage just a couple of days ago. As a native UK English speaker, my usual reading of it is : "He caught that thing-" and here I visualise Professor McGonagall pointing to the Remembrall - "-in his hand -" i.e. that's how he did it - "after a fifty-foot dive". However, now that you raise the point, it could be interpreted just as validly as "He caught that thing in his hand -" - whatever it is - "- after a fifty-foot dive". The nuance of the second version is that Oliver Wood would assume that he caught it in his hand, not in his teeth or between his knees or something equally unusual. Thinking about it, both would be correct depending on how the reader sees it. I've always read it the first way, but now that you've suggested an alternative way, I see nothing wrong. This probably doesn't help your argument one iota but you can put it forward that the first version is the way in which I - dare I say as a well-educated UK English speaker - would read it with the proviso that I can see that the second version also fits the scene. It's a bit late to go searching in my books, but there is someone, whose identity slips my mind at this point, who says in LOTR "Go not to the elves for advice for they will say both yea and nay". :-) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 23:56:34 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:56:34 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda wrote: > Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some English-speaking person explain to me how they understand the following sentence: "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" (Ch. 9, "The Midnight Duel", p.151 Am.ed. or p.113 Br.ed.). It's something that McGonagall says to Wood, after witnessing Harry's dive for the Remembrall. > > Does "in his hand" define the word "thing" here or does it define the word "caught"? Does the first part of the sentence mean something like "He caught the thing that he is holding now in his hand [Remembrall]", or does it mean "He caught that thing with his hand/into his hand/using his hand"? > > I will really appreciate your help (off-list is also OK :-)), I'm kind of in the middle of an argument about this sentence, LOL! > Carol responds: I checked to see whether Harry is still holding "that thing" when mcGonagall speaks to Wood and apparently, he is. My reading is that "that thing in his hand" refers to the Remembrall, which Mcgonagall is calling to Wood's attention. It seems to me that if McGonagall meant to emphasize how he caught the Remembrall, she would say "one-handed" or "with his bare hand" (if he would normally wear a glove) or something of that sort. At any rate, a person who can catch (someone like Harry as opposed to someone like me) does so *with* his hand or hands, not *in* them. Moreover, catching with hands is the normal way to catch (as opposed to "with his feet" or "with his teeth") and seems to be an unnecessary element of her sentence if that's what it means. If, OTOH, she's specifically pointing out the Remembrall, which is approximately the size and shape of a wingless Snitch, "that thing in his hand" makes perfect sense. Carol, voting for choice number one (it modifies "thing") From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 00:23:47 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:23:47 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) Message-ID: Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just one) to Locks of Love, a charity that makes wigs for children who have lost their hair because of chemotherapy or a medical condition. The hair salon gave me a free haircut rather than leaving me with the straggling remains of my long hair. (I don't *like* the hair cut, which the beautician layered when I requested it the same length all around, but at least it was free.) I feel a lot cooler and I won't wake up at night now feeling strangled by my long hair. Anyway, if anyone else has long hair (it has to be at least ten inches long beneath the rubber band or elastic that they put around it before cutting it) and is interested in donating your hair to charity, here's a link to the Locks of Love website: http://www.nexxus.com/locks-of-love/index.html They won't accept hair that's cut without being in a ponytail. Mine had split ends and bits of gray in it but they took it anyway because it was so long and the gray (which didn't show that much in the part that was cut off, anyway) can be colored. (Wonder why the gray shows up mostly in front of my ears in what would be sideburns if I were a man?) I took my camera with me and the stylist took before and after photos (which I'm not about to post!). I can't wait for the hair to grow out a bit so I can get it cut the way I wanted it in the first place, but, still, I feel good about finally getting around to doing something I've intended to do for months. If I get it highlighted, it should look better. Carol, who will probably go hat shopping tomorrow From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 03:42:24 2008 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:42:24 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > Does "in his hand" define the word "thing" here or does it define the > word "caught"? Does the first part of the sentence mean something > like "He caught the thing that he is holding now in his hand > [Remembrall]", or does it mean "He caught that thing with his hand/into > his hand/using his hand"? > I always read it as defining the word "caught." The other possiblity never occured to me until I read your post. Annemehr From kempermentor at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 05:31:45 2008 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 05:31:45 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda: > Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some English- > speaking person explain to me how they understand the following > sentence: "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" > ... > I will really appreciate your help (off-list is also OK :-)), I'm kind > of in the middle of an argument about this sentence, LOL! Kemper now: As everyone has answered as I would've, I'm more curious about the circumstances leading to this argument. Care to share? Kemper From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 5 09:44:18 2008 From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:44:18 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above > chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just > one) to Locks of Love, a charity that makes wigs for children who have > lost their hair because of chemotherapy or a medical condition. Mary Ann: Carol, that's awesome. I've heard of these charities and I'm proud to know someone who's donated to them. Here, take these. You've earned them. ***passes over chocolate, Carol's favourite tipple and a tall, blond, muscular, reasonably intelligent cabana boy named Sven*** Mary Ann, who has a supply of cabana boys in her potting shed (Hey, I can dream, can't I?) From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 5 11:45:34 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:45:34 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above > chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just > one) to Locks of Love, Potioncat: Wow! Enough to make 2 wigs. That's a lot of hair. Have you been growing it for that purpose, or was it long enough and you decided to do it? The morale boost the kids get from having hair is so important to both their recovery and how they feel. You've made an important contribution to two kids' lives. Carol: > I can't wait for the hair to grow out a bit so I can get it cut the > way I wanted it in the first place, but, still, I feel good about > finally getting around to doing something I've intended to do for > months. If I get it highlighted, it should look better. Potioncat: My hair isn't long, but recently a stylist cut it into all sorts of layers. I was very unhappy about it. When I got home my daughter looked at me and said, "Finally, a good haircut! It's about time you were in style." From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 21:59:17 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:59:17 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda, answering all the posts in this thread together: Hey, how come all of you guys understand it differently :-)? How is this even possible :-)? As English is your native language, I expected you all to give me the same answer :-)! The point is, I've always understood this passage a la Carol (Remembrall being "that thing in his hand") until I read a translation a few days ago, where it was interpreted differently. That was the first time I realized that it was possible to read it as "Harry caught Remembrall in his hand" (and not in his mouth, like he did his first Snitch :-)). I asked my immediate family, but they split half-and-half, and besides, none of them is a native English speaker, so there was no point in such an argument (Kemper, that's the argument I was referring to :-)). That's why I decided to ask you guys, expecting a definitive answer, LOL. I really wanted to find out how you see it, because I intended to give advice to those people who are doing the translation (amateurs), and wanted to be sure I'm right. I usually ask Carol those kind of things, but I wasn't sure she caught up with her e-mails after that computer trouble of hers :-). Anyway, many thanks to all of you! As for the translation, I think it would be best to find some ambiguous phrasing that could allow for both interpretations :-). zanooda, who couldn't reply yesterday, being busy with the preparations for a hurricane which turned out to be nothing ... P.S. Geoff, I'm rereading PS too! I'm already on chapter 12 :-). From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 5 22:44:35 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:44:35 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: zanooda: > That was the first time I realized that it was possible to read it > as "Harry caught Remembrall in his hand" (and not in his mouth, like > he did his first Snitch :-)). Geoff: Yes, but Professor McGonagall wouldn't have considered stressing it that way because Harry's catching the Snitch in his mouth was still in the future.... From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 23:17:35 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:17:35 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just one) to Locks of Love, a charity that makes wigs for children who have lost their hair because of chemotherapy or a medical condition. > > Mary Ann: > > Carol, that's awesome. I've heard of these charities and I'm proud to know someone who's donated to them. Here, take these. You've earned them. > > ***passes over chocolate, Carol's favourite tipple and a tall, blond, muscular, reasonably intelligent cabana boy named Sven*** Carol: Thanks, Mary Ann. Can your cabana boy highlight my hair so that it looks like it did when I was twenty? Well, thirty. That's what I'd really like! :-) Carol, wishing that the stylist hadn't taken off *quite* so much hair From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 23:32:23 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:32:23 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just one) to Locks of Love, > > Potioncat: > Wow! Enough to make 2 wigs. That's a lot of hair. Have you been growing it for that purpose, or was it long enough and you decided to do it? Carol: Neither one. I didn't know anything about Locks of Love until mys sister, who's been trying in vain to get her own hair past shoulder length so that she could donate it, told me about it. I looked up the website online and checked with the nearest salon to make sure they knew all about it, then I deliberately procrastinated until I wasn't facing a deadline, which gave it a little bit more time to grow. Yesterday seemed like the right moment, so I filled out the form online, printed it out, called the salon to make sure that I didn't need anything else (plastic bag envelope, or whatever), and then just went in and did it (making sure to bring the camera for the photos). Potioncat: The morale boost the kids get from having hair is so important to both their recovery and how they feel. You've made an important contribution to two kids' lives. > Carol: Thanks. I do feel good about it. My teenaged nieces, both of whom have beautiful red hair, have also done it. Apparently, their hair grows even faster than mine. > Potioncat: > My hair isn't long, but recently a stylist cut it into all sorts of layers. I was very unhappy about it. When I got home my daughter looked at me and said, "Finally, a good haircut! It's about time you were in style." Carol: LOL. I doubt she'd say that if she could see mine, but, then, you never know. As I said earlier, I think I'll go hat shopping. It's partly the color that I hate; although the pretty blond highlighting is cut off and I'm back to mouse brown. Carol, hoping for a nice, big editing project so I'll have an excuse to highlight my hair again From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 06:05:27 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:05:27 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some > English-speaking person explain to me how they understand the > following sentence: > > "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" > (Ch. 9, "The Midnight Duel", p.151 Am.ed. or p.113 Br.ed.). > > It's something that McGonagall says to Wood, after witnessing > Harry's dive for the Remembrall. > > Does "in his hand" define the word "thing" here or does it > define the word "caught"? Does the first part of the sentence > mean something like "He caught the thing that he is holding > now in his hand [Remembrall]", or does it mean "He caught > that thing with his hand/into his hand/using his hand"? > > I will really appreciate your help (off-list is also OK :-)), > I'm kind of in the middle of an argument about this sentence, > LOL! > bboyminn: Interesting point and one I never really considered before. Let's restate it so that the emphasis stands out more - 1.) That thing in his hand, he caught it after a 50 foot dive. 2.) He caught that thing /with/ his hand after a 50 foot dive. I alway took it as McGonagall emphasizing that it was caught (with his hand), rather than emphasizing what was caught (the Rememberall). But upon re-pondering it, it seems more logical that she is pointing to the thing in his hand, and saying it was caught after a spectacular 50 foot dive. Though not my original interpretation, I think the most likely correct interpretation is reflected in sentence 1.) above. Steve/bluewizard From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Wed Aug 6 07:11:45 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:11:45 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2008 8:24:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes: Well, I did it! I got my Dumbledore-length hair cut off to just above chin length and gave the two ponytails (my hair was too thick for just one) to Locks of Love, a charity that makes wigs for children who have lost their hair because of chemotherapy or a medical condition. The hair salon gave me a free haircut rather than leaving me with the straggling remains of my long hair. (I don't *like* the hair cut, which the beautician layered when I requested it the same length all around, but at least it was free.) I feel a lot cooler and I won't wake up at night now feeling strangled by my long hair. Anyway, if anyone else has long hair (it has to be at least ten inches long beneath the rubber band or elastic that they put around it before cutting it) and is interested in donating your hair to charity, here's a link to the Locks of Love website: _http://www.nexxus.http://wwwhttp://www.nexhttp_ (http://www.nexxus.com/locks-of-love/index.html) They won't accept hair that's cut without being in a ponytail. Mine had split ends and bits of gray in it but they took it anyway because it was so long and the gray (which didn't show that much in the part that was cut off, anyway) can be colored. (Wonder why the gray shows up mostly in front of my ears in what would be sideburns if I were a man?) I took my camera with me and the stylist took before and after photos (which I'm not about to post!). I can't wait for the hair to grow out a bit so I can get it cut the way I wanted it in the first place, but, still, I feel good about finally getting around to doing something I've intended to do for months. If I get it highlighted, it should look better. Carol, who will probably go hat shopping tomorrow Sandy: Wow, Carol, that's great! How long did it take you to decide to cut your Hair, and why? I have been angsting over mine for a while now. It isn't Dumbledore length, but it's long, and I had been thinking about getting it cut for a couple of months now. I finally decided to do it and was going to do it tomorrow on my day off. I'm so happy that you posted this. Since I am going to get it cut anyway I would be thrilled to donate it rather that see it go in the garbage. However, by my measurement, it is just a tad too short, the ponytail being 9 1/2 inches long. I did find it hard to measure, though, because I have curly hair and had a couple of cats trying to get the measuring tape. I will have my daughter measure it tomorrow. If it is too short (how odd to refer to long hair as too short) I will just wait a couple of months until it is long enough. I want it gone but the good cause will make the wait worth it, even though I cringe at having to wash and condition it for another couple of months. This makes me think of Jo March in "Little Women". I recently bought a beautiful copy of that book. I think I'll read it after I finish the book I am reading now. Sandy, who *has* to wear a hat at work because her hair *is* long, and was looking forward to not having to wear it anymore. Long curly hair gives a whole new meaning to the term hat hair. It's an adventure just trying to get them (the hat and hair) disentangled from one another. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Aug 6 12:22:15 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:22:15 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "zanooda2" wrote: > > Hi, guys! I need help with one sentence in SS/PS. Could some English- > speaking person explain to me how they understand the following > sentence: "He caught that thing in his hand after a fifty-foot dive" > (Ch. 9, "The Midnight Duel", p.151 Am.ed. or p.113 Br.ed.). It's > something that McGonagall says to Wood, after witnessing Harry's dive > for the Remembrall. Potioncat: English is such a precise language. ;-) I've noticed a trend. Most have said that they thought in-his-hand modified caught until the alternative was offered and they thought about it. I'd say, go with the first impression. The suggestion instiled doubt and some things don't do well with too much thought. But, having given it too much thought, this is what I think. The important thing is that he "caught" the small item, not the small item itself. The 50 foot dive also describes the quality of the catching. "In his hand or by hand" are common phrases that are added onto sentences. I don't know if there's a name for it, emphasis is all I can think of. For example, I could show you the striped afgan on my sofa and say, "I made this afgan by hand." (How else would I make it?) or I might say, He held the frog in his hand. (How else would he hold it? Never mind, I don't want to know.) If Harry had caught some wee dark creature and McGonagall wanted to show it to Quirrell, then "He caught that thing-in-his-hand (after a 50 foot dive)" would be a reasonable interpretation. But in the case of the rememberall, I think "in his hand" refers to caught. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 20:52:24 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:52:24 -0000 Subject: Locks of Love (aka, feeling light-headed!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sandy: > > Wow, Carol, that's great! How long did it take you to decide to cut your Hair, and why? Carol: Oh, I've been meaning to get it cut for a long time. It's too hot in tucson during the summer for long hair and it used to strangle me at night, but I kept putting it off, thinking that I'd wait until I could afford to get it highlighted (in this tight economy, not for awhile!). then my sister told me about Locks of Love and how she was trying to grow hers long enough but couldn't get it past shoulder length, so, since I had enough hair for both of us, I decided to do it--after I'd gone to San Diego and after I finished the editing project I was working on. Once I'd decided on the date for the haircut, I just did it. Sandy: > I have been angsting over mine for a while now. It isn't Dumbledore length, but it's long, and I had been thinking about getting it cut for a couple of months now. I finally decided to do it and was going to do it tomorrow on my day off. I'm so happy that you posted this. Since I am going to get > it cut anyway I would be thrilled to donate it rather that see it go in the > garbage. However, by my measurement, it is just a tad too short, the ponytail being 9 1/2 inches long. I did find it hard to measure, though, because I have curly hair and had a couple of cats trying to get the measuring tape. I will have my daughter measure it tomorrow. If it is too short (how odd to refer to long hair as too short) I will just wait a couple of months until it is long enough. I want it gone but the good cause will make the wait worth it, even though I cringe at having to wash and condition it for another couple of months. Carol: They'll pull curly hair out straight to get it to measure ten inches, so you're probably okay. If not, as you say, they'll just ask you to come back in a couple of months when it's long enough. I forgot to add washing and conditioning my hair to the list of reasons why I wanted it cut. Also, having to brush it in front of my shoulders and then throw it back over my shoulders where it promptly got messed up again. There was a whole large section of my hair that I couldn't reach when it was behind my back. (Maybe *that's* why wealthy women had lady's maids in earlier times! Maybe they still do, for all I know, but not for that reason.) Sandy: > This makes me think of Jo March in "Little Women". I recently bought a beautiful copy of that book. I think I'll read it after I finish the book I am reading now. Carol: I thought of Jo, too ("Oh, Jo, your one beauty!" as little Beth says, tactlessly expressing her anguish for her favorite sister), but, of course, Jo sells hers rather than giving it away. I used to have "Little Women," "Little Men," "Jo's Boys, " and "Under the Lilacs" (my favoirite Alcott book, which no one else has ever heard of), but my mother gave them all away when I went off to college. I also remember reading "Eight Cousins" and its sequel, "A Rose in Bloom" ("Alas for Charlie. His tomorrow never came"--Carol wipes away a tear), but I don't think I actually owned those two books. I should reread the Alcott books. Kids these days don't know what they're missing. > Sandy, who *has* to wear a hat at work because her hair *is* long, and was looking forward to not having to wear it anymore. Long curly hair gives a whole new meaning to the term hat hair. It's an adventure just trying to get them (the hat and hair) disentangled from one another. LOL. Mine was long and straight (slightly wavy if I slept with it wet, covering my pillowcase with a towel), but I still had similar adventures disentangling hairbands and hairbrushes. Carol, still not used to her new look, but the few people I've encountered since the haircut still recognized me, so maybe I'm the only one who thinks I don't look like myself From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 21:05:39 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:05:39 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > English is such a precise language. ;-) > > I've noticed a trend. Most have said that they thought in-his-hand > modified caught until the alternative was offered and they thought > about it. I'd say, go with the first impression. The suggestion > instiled doubt and some things don't do well with too much thought. > > But, having given it too much thought, this is what I think. The important thing is that he "caught" the small item, not the small item itself. The 50 foot dive also describes the quality of the catching. > If Harry had caught some wee dark creature and McGonagall wanted to > show it to Quirrell, then "He caught that thing-in-his-hand (after a 50 foot dive)" would be a reasonable interpretation. But in the case of the rememberall, I think "in his hand" refers to caught. > Carol: Oh, well. I still think that he caught "that thing in his hand" (the Remembrall), not that he caught "that thing" (the Remembrall) "in" his hand. ("With" would be more idiomatic and would eliminate the ambiguity.) Just goes to show what a slippery thing the English language is. Sometimes, commas can clear up ambiguity, but, in this case, there's no place to put them. I agree that the fifty-foot dive refers to the spectacular nature of the catch, but I think it's also necessary to indicate what, exactly, Harry caught, with "that thing in his hand" giving a (slightly) more precise indication of what he caught than "that thing" used without a qualifier. ("What thing?" Wood is likely to ask unless McG is pointing to Harry's hand.) Carol, who would have queried the sentence, suggesting "that Remembrall he's holding" in place of "that thing in his hand" to eliminate ambiguity (or "with" for "in" if she intended the phrase to modify "caught") From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 01:07:20 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:07:20 -0000 Subject: Alan Rickman's new movie Message-ID: Is anyone planning to see Alan Rickman's new movie, "Bottle Shock," about a 1976 contest between French chardonnay and California wine from Napa Valley? Rickman plays the British wine merchant called in to judge the contest. (I know it sounds a lot like "Sideways," but I think it will be funnier and better.) You can see the trailer, along with half a dozen photos, and read a synopsis at the official site, http://www.bottleshockthemovie.com/ You can also find out when and whether it's coming to your particular city (it's an indie film). There's a delightful interview (which touches on a certain Professor Snape) at http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/alan-rickman-talks-half-blood-prince-new-interview-updated-58149/ or http://tinyurl.com/5csjas and more videos and information at IMDB: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0914797/ Alan Rickman and wine? How close to heaven can you get? Carol, who has to wait till August 22 for the film to come to Tucson From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Aug 7 02:48:33 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:48:33 -0000 Subject: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" wrote: > > Is anyone planning to see Alan Rickman's new movie, "Bottle Shock," > about a 1976 contest between French chardonnay and California wine > from Napa Valley? Rickman plays the British wine merchant called in to > judge the contest. (I know it sounds a lot like "Sideways," but I > think it will be funnier and better.) Potioncat: Me! Me! The Washington Post has a good review of it and I'm hoping to see it. I haven't decided whether to talk my husband into going. If I do, I may promote the Napa Valley side (we vacationed there once) and pretend to be surprised that Rickman is in it. The last Rickman movied I dragged him was "Love, Actually", and we both hated it. But I have a feeling it'll only be one theater, and not one near by. In that case, it'll be on the wait list at Netflix for me. "The Search for John Gissing" has finally made it off the wait list and should be out on the 12th. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 04:03:13 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:03:13 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Potioncat: > > English is such a precise language. ;-) > Carol: > Just goes to show what a slippery thing the English language is. zanooda: Well, I was surprised at first that native English-speakers ("wand-carriers" :-)) had different opinions about one rather simple sentence :-). But then I thought about it, and now I understand that I was surprised mostly because in my own language misunderstandings like this are much less likely. Our language structure mostly doesn't allow for different interpretations. We have cases, and we have genders (three of them :-)), so nouns and adjectives have different endings depending on what gender, case and number they are. Different readings are still possible, I guess (I just can't think of any example), but in the sentence in question the word "hand" would just have one ending if it modified "thing", and a different one if it modified "caught". No problem :-)! OTOH, our words order in a sentence is not as fixed as it is in English, which can sometimes lead to a confusion, I suppose. All this kind of makes translators' job more difficult, doesn't it? Maybe I'm too hard on them ... :-). Thank you again for your replies! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 20:02:32 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:32 -0000 Subject: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > > Is anyone planning to see Alan Rickman's new movie, "Bottle Shock," ,snip> > > > Potioncat: > Me! Me! > > The Washington Post has a good review of it and I'm hoping to see it. > But I have a feeling it'll only be one theater, and not one near by. In that case, it'll be on the wait list at Netflix for me. Carol responds: If you go to the official site and click the bottle that says "Cities," you can find out when (and whether) it's coming to a city near you. For example, it's coming to Scottsdale (a Phoenix suburb) August 15 but not coming to Tucson till August 22. (Only one theater in each city, and, in the case of Tucson, one of the more expensive theaters, affordable only if I attend a matinee performance.) I don't know whether I'll like the film, but I like Rickman's role and it sounds as if he has some good lines. BTW, does anyone remember Dennis Farina from the old series "Crime Story"? the man hasn't aged in twenty years! Carol, looking forward to seeing the film even if she has to go by herself From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 7 22:40:26 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:40:26 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > Potioncat: > > > > English is such a precise language. ;-) > > > > Carol: > > > Just goes to show what a slippery thing the English language is. > > > zanooda: > > Well, I was surprised at first that native English-speakers > ("wand-carriers" :-)) had different opinions about one rather simple > sentence :-). But then I thought about it, and now I understand that I > was surprised mostly because in my own language misunderstandings like > this are much less likely. > > Our language structure mostly doesn't allow for different > interpretations. We have cases, and we have genders (three of them > :-)), so nouns and adjectives have different endings depending on what > gender, case and number they are. > > Different readings are still possible, I guess (I just can't think of > any example), but in the sentence in question the word "hand" would > just have one ending if it modified "thing", and a different one if it > modified "caught". No problem :-)! OTOH, our words order in a sentence > is not as fixed as it is in English, which can sometimes lead to a > confusion, I suppose. > > All this kind of makes translators' job more difficult, doesn't it? > Maybe I'm too hard on them ... :-). Thank you again for your replies! Geoff: It has often been pointed out, especially in the age of emails and Yahoo groups that the written word does not always reflect what was meant by its composer; I have often read flame wars etc. which have erupted because the meaning of a contributor's message was misunderstood. So often , you need to be able to see the originator's face or hear their voice to fully understand what precisely is meant. In message 37135, I described a joking ritual which some of my family and friends indulge in, which is to take the comment "This is a very serious occasion" and by changing the word which is stressed, subtle differences in meaning are produced, which would obviously be detected by hearing the altered nuance in the person's speech. Another example is irony. Someone is trying to persuade another person to do something for them; they make a hash of the request and the other person goes off obviously angry and irritated. A third person, privy to the scene, comments "You made a good job of that." Which is irony, because the person to whom he is speaking did the exact opposite of a good job. The context has to be known and the tone of voice used by the speaker has to be heard to realise what precisely is meant by the comment. And here, as I said some messages ago, we really need to hear Professor McGonagall - or see her - to pick up on her precise meaning. Pauses in the delivery might give slightly different results. "He caught that thing", here Professor McGonagall paused to gesture to the Remembrall in Harry's hand before continuing, "in his hand after a fifty-foot dive". or possibly "He caught that thing in his hand," she said, sounding slightly awestruck, and pausing to glance meaningfully at Oliver Wood, " after a fifty-foot dive" I favour the first because I visualise the Professor not knowing what a Remembrall is -hence the use of "thing" and pausing to think 'Surely I ought to know what the damn thing is?' before continuing her comment to Wood. But that's just my interpretation; my point being that there is more than one way of analysing the comment. English is indeed precise but slippery. :-) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 00:19:59 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:19:59 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > I favour the first because I visualise the Professor not knowing > what a Remembrall is -hence the use of "thing" and pausing to think > 'Surely I ought to know what the damn thing is?' before continuing > her comment to Wood. zanooda: I kind of assumed that McGonagall *knew* what Harry was holding in his hand, because of what happened that day at breakfast - you know, "Malfoy's got my Remembrall, Professor" - "Just looking" etc. :-). I thought McGonagall called Remembrall "that thing", because Wood possibly didn't know what it was and she didn't want to confuse him :-). Here is another question, not controversial this time :-). In Ch.11 ("Quidditch") Lee Jordan says: "... a penalty to Gryffindor, taken by Spinnet, who puts it away". My question is: did she score or did she miss :-)? I personally understand it as "score", but again, I'm not completely sure, and I'm not an English-speaker, and somehow dictionaries are not much help in this case. Would you mind if I exploited you guys a little more :-)? Could you tell me what "put away" means in this context? From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Aug 8 01:57:43 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:57:43 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Zanooda: > Here is another question, not controversial this time :-). In Ch.11 > ("Quidditch") Lee Jordan says: snip Potioncat: I snipped it all because I never understood anything Lee Jordan said that related to the game. Then again, I can't keep up with any sports commentary in RL. So I'm adding a question for the real sports fans out there. JKR said she wasn't a sports fan. How well did you think she did at developing Quidditch and having Lee Jordan act as sports caster? From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 02:04:30 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:04:30 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > Here is another question, not controversial this time :-). In Ch.11 ("Quidditch") Lee Jordan says: "... a penalty to Gryffindor, taken by Spinnet, who puts it away". My question is: did she score or did she miss :-)? I personally understand it as "score", but again, I'm not completely sure, and I'm not an English-speaker, and somehow dictionaries are not much help in this case. Would you mind if I exploited you guys a little more :-)? Could you tell me what "put away" means in this context? > Carol: It means that she put the Quaffle away in her duffle bag. It means she scored. Or, at least, that's how I read it. BTW. I was confused at first by the expression "penalty to" since I think of a penalty as a punishment. I suppose it means "penalty shot to Gryffindor because of a penalty *against* Slytherin. I don't know whether that usage is common in the US as well as the UK--it might just be that I'm not a sports fan and can only follow baseball and basketball, in which the scoring is simple and obvious. Carol, wondering whether my little joke was obvious on a first reading or not From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 02:09:51 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:09:51 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > I snipped it all because I never understood anything Lee Jordan said that related to the game. Then again, I can't keep up with any sports commentary in RL. > > So I'm adding a question for the real sports fans out there. JKR said she wasn't a sports fan. How well did you think she did at developing Quidditch and having Lee Jordan act as sports caster? > Carol: So I'm not the only one who was confused by some of his commentary (the "penalty to Gryffindor" thing, for one). Good! I can't answer your question, but I can say that I preferred Luna. At least I knew what she was talking about! Carol, trying to recall some of the funnier moments but only able to remember "Loser's Lurgy" From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 8 06:36:44 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:36:44 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Potioncat: > > I snipped it all because I never understood anything Lee Jordan said > that related to the game. Then again, I can't keep up with any sports > commentary in RL. > > > > So I'm adding a question for the real sports fans out there. JKR > said she wasn't a sports fan. How well did you think she did at > developing Quidditch and having Lee Jordan act as sports caster? > > > Carol: > > So I'm not the only one who was confused by some of his commentary > (the "penalty to Gryffindor" thing, for one). Good! I can't answer > your question, but I can say that I preferred Luna. At least I knew > what she was talking about! > > Carol, trying to recall some of the funnier moments but only able to > remember "Loser's Lurgy" Geoff: In UK speak, a penalty is awarded "to" the team who have been on the receiving end of the foul of breach of rules. It is awarded "against" the transgressors. If the penalty or goal kick or free kick is "put away", it has been successful. Geoff Who prefers watching cricket or Rugby Union to football. From jkoney65 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 13:29:13 2008 From: jkoney65 at yahoo.com (jkoney65) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:29:13 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > >Zanooda: > > Here is another question, not controversial this time :-). In Ch.11 > > ("Quidditch") Lee Jordan says: snip > > Potioncat: > I snipped it all because I never understood anything Lee Jordan said > that related to the game. Then again, I can't keep up with any sports > commentary in RL. > > So I'm adding a question for the real sports fans out there. JKR said > she wasn't a sports fan. How well did you think she did at developing > Quidditch and having Lee Jordan act as sports caster? > Jack-A-Roe: The penalty, for an illegal play was called against the opposing team, the result of a penalty is that that Spinnet was awarded a free shot on goal with only the keeper defending. "Putting it away" would definitely be a slang like reference to scoring. I think JKR over time explaind quidditch well enough. The original explanation left me a little confused until we saw harry play a game. I thought the play calling was meant more as a comic interlude in the story than anything else. It also allowed us to understand a bit more about the game as he called it in between the humor. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 17:16:19 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:16:19 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > I snipped it all because I never understood anything Lee Jordan > said that related to the game. zanooda: Right, not very coherent, is it? I think that if you are actually *watching* what's going on, it's easier to understand the commentary. As it is, we need to understand without seeing, and maybe even try to imagine what's happening - not an easy task, IMO :-). And if, like me, you don't know some expression used in a commentary :-), you may become even more confused. I couldn't find "put away" in this sense in dictionaries, so I had to figure it out basing on the final score in that game, LOL. The score was 170:60, which means that Gryffindors scored twice (170-150=20), but only one goal was mentioned, so I assumed the second one was Alicia's penalty. Difficult, very difficult ... :-). BTW, I have a question for Geoff: do you by any chance know what is the most likely pronunciation of the name Alicia in the UK? Is it A-lee-sha, like in the US, or is it A-lee-see-ya? Or both are possible? Anyway, thank you all for your replies. You all gave the same answer this time, which is very comforting :-)! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 19:18:54 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:18:54 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda wrote: > > I couldn't find "put away" in this sense in dictionaries, so I had to > figure it out basing on the final score in that game, LOL. The score > was 170:60, which means that Gryffindors scored twice (170-150=20), > but only one goal was mentioned, so I assumed the second one was > Alicia's penalty. Difficult, very difficult ... :-). Carol responds: I see what you mean. Oddly, Merriam-Webster Online has the following: "Main Entry: put away Function: transitive verb Date: 14th century 1 a: discard, renounce b: divorce2: to eat or drink up : consume3 a: to confine especially in a mental institution b: bury c: kill" I would have thought that they would at least have "put away" in the sense of "put where it belongs," as in "put away the clean dishes." How many parents have said to a child playing with a noisy toy, "Put that thing away," meaning "Put that toy back in the toybox"? Surely, it's a common expression, at least in the U.S., and ought to be included in the dictionary even if "put away," meaning to score a goal in a sport, is omitted (but since when is sports slang omitted from descriptive dictionaries?). Etymology Online doesn't include the term, either. I did finally find a website whith what I consider the normal use of the expression, http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/phrasal-verbs/put+away.html, which has the following definitions for the phrasal verb "put away": "Put away - Put something back in the correct place Example: He PUT the dictionary BACK on the shelf after he'd finished the crossword. Notes: - Separable [optional] - International English Put away - Put someone in prison Example: The judge PUT him AWAY for ten years for robbery. Notes: - Separable [obligatory] - International English" If you Google "put away" (with the phrase in quotes), along with "score" and "goal" (no quotes), you'll find lots of online sports articles that use in in the sense of scoring a goal, but I don't suppose they'd be any clearer without a definition than Lee Jordan's commentary. Carol, giving up the search after failing to find the phrase at any of her bookmarked websites From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Aug 8 20:45:06 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:45:06 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: zanooda: > BTW, I have a question for Geoff: do you by any chance know what is > the most likely pronunciation of the name Alicia in the UK? > Is it A-lee-sha, like in the US, or is it A-lee-see-ya? Or both are > possible? Geoff: The usual pronunciation I have heard is 'Alice' - as in Alice in Wonderland - followed by 'i-a' with a short i. In other words, all the vowels are short. Hope that makes sense! From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 23:35:33 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:35:33 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > Carol, giving up the search after failing to find the phrase at any of > her bookmarked websites zanooda: I usually use (in addition to the dictionaries that I have at home) the site called Onelook.com - it gives you the definition of a word from all known online dictionaries, and even there I didn't find anything useful :-). However, they mention some sports glossary, which gives (they say so, I didn't go and check) this definition: "put away = kill: to hit the ball hard into an area where the opponent can't reach it". It's not the exact meaning I was looking for, but at least it's something close :-). From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 00:02:39 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:02:39 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question+something funny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > The usual pronunciation I have heard is 'Alice' - as in Alice in > Wonderland - followed by 'i-a' with a short i. In other words, > all the vowels are short. Hope that makes sense! zanooda: Thank you, Geoff! Since you've been (all of you guys :-)) so patient with my questions, I want to give you something to giggle about. These are some funny translation mistakes from Russian translation of the DH. Hope you'll find them entertaining (all of you, except for Carol who already read them :-)). Here goes: 1. Ron describes the symptoms of the spattergroit: "It won't matter that he [the ghoul] can't say anything, either, because apparently you can't once the fungus has spread to your uvula". Translation: "When a person has mushrooms growing on his tongue, he can't talk much". 2. After stabbing the locket, Ron started to cry and "...wiped his nose noisily on his sleeve". In translation he "blew his nose noisily into his sleeve". 3. McGonagall animates the school desks and orders them "Charge!". In the translation she orders them: "Fire!" 4. About Neville: "Someone had broken free of the crowd and charged at Voldemort". Translation: "Someone ... fired at Voldemort". 5. Ron describes how he escaped from the Snatchers: "... I managed to hit the one holding me in the stomach ...". In translation: "I bit the one holding me in the stomach". 6. When the DE's were chasing Harry in "The Seven Potters", one of them "fell back and vanished". In translation he "fell on his back and vanished". 7. "Scrimgeour remains shut up in his office all day". Translation: "Scrimgeour remains silent all day". 8. Harry says that the DEs probably stuffed Mad-Eye's body somewhere, meaning that they hid it. In translation Harry wonders whether they stuffed the body *with something*, like in "stuffed animal". From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Aug 9 00:15:18 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:15:18 -0400 Subject: The Weasley Clock Message-ID: <91B6165647A845A185473E42BCDC99F7@FRODO> Hi, Now, I'm sure this was tackled somewhere, but I just don't have the patience to dig through YahooMort. So, perhaps some knowledgeable and loving person will try to unconfuse the confused. In GOF, the Weasley Clock is described as a "Grandfather clock." However, in HBP, the description is of a wall clock that Molly now carries around with her everywhere in the house. So, how do we resolve this inconsistency? Can we say that Molly did a Reducio charm on the grandfather clock, turned it into a wall clock which she takes with her throughout the house? It's amazing which things jump out at a person during another read through the series. Cheers, Lee :-) (Waiting impatiently for the mold-killing fog bombs to be delivered so she can set them off and, hopefully, end the extreme distress and discomfort she has been enduring for way too long with her sinuses.) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 00:45:35 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:45:35 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -zanooda: > > > BTW, I have a question for Geoff: do you by any chance know what is the most likely pronunciation of the name Alicia in the UK? > > Is it A-lee-sha, like in the US, or is it A-lee-see-ya? Or both are possible? > > Geoff: > The usual pronunciation I have heard is 'Alice' - as in Alice in Wonderland - followed by 'i-a' with a short i. In other words, all the vowels are short. > > Hope that makes sense! > Carol: But isn't the accent on the second syllable in Alicia, as you pronounce it (Ah LISS ih a), rather than the first syllable, as in Alice (AH liss), with "ah" indicating a short "a" as in "cat" and "ih" a short "i" as in "pit"? I can't quite "get" the short "i" in "i-a," though, because, to me, it sounds like long "e" (ee) even in the British pronunciation (Ah LISS ee uh, with the "uh" representing a schwa). Carol, who would pronounce the name the American way, Ah LEE shuh From sistermagpie at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 01:09:55 2008 From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:09:55 -0000 Subject: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Carol earlier: > > > > > > Is anyone planning to see Alan Rickman's new movie, "Bottle > Shock," ,snip> > > > > > > Potioncat: > > Me! Me! Magpie: The little movie theater in my home town (where I used to work) has recently been turned into an art theater. It's a very old art deco theater--I think maybe one of the oldest in the country? Anyway, it's been refurbished and it now has a lot of premieres and educational things, and a lot of movie stars come to special screenings of their films. My mother called to say that she didn't go out for Tom Cruise and almost went to George Clooney, but she was definitely going to see Alan Rickman this week because she loved him. He's doing a q&a after the movie.:-) -m From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 01:16:11 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:16:11 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: <91B6165647A845A185473E42BCDC99F7@FRODO> Message-ID: Lee wrote: > Now, I'm sure this was tackled somewhere, but I just don't have the patience to dig through YahooMort. So, perhaps some knowledgeable and loving person will try to unconfuse the confused. > > In GOF, the Weasley Clock is described as a "Grandfather clock." However, in HBP, the description is of a wall clock that Molly now carries around with her everywhere in the house. > > So, how do we resolve this inconsistency? Carol: I know there's a camp that believes all inconsistencies in the HP books can be resolved, but, IMO, this one is an out-and-out Flint. JKR forgot that she'd described it previously as a grandfather clock and didn't bother to check. (As for why Mrs. Weasley would carry it around when all the hands were *already* pointing to Mortal Peril, you'll have to ask JKR. If she feared that they would point to Mortal Peril, she'd have a reason to keep an eye on it, but since the hands are already there, what's the point? Is she afraid that a hand will fall off the clock?) Carol, who had high hopes for that clock and was disappointed by both the inconsistency and the pointlessness of that scene From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Aug 9 02:07:34 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:07:34 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: References: <91B6165647A845A185473E42BCDC99F7@FRODO> Message-ID: [Carol]: | (As for why Mrs. Weasley would carry it around when all the hands were | *already* pointing to Mortal Peril, you'll have to ask JKR. If she | feared that they would point to Mortal Peril, she'd have a reason to | keep an eye on it, but since the hands are already there, what's the | point? Is she afraid that a hand will fall off the clock?) [Lee]: He wants to see when the hand(s) move, like when Arthur's moved from Mortal Peril to Traveling, then back. So, if someone's hand moves from Mortal Peril to Hospital, she'll know and be the first to get there. That's my take on it. [Carol]: | Carol, who had high hopes for that clock and was disappointed by both | the inconsistency and the pointlessness of that scene [Lee]: Yes, more could have been done with the whole clock thing. I know reference was made to it in OOTP by Dumbledore re Arthur's snake-bite. But, however you slice it, it does look like a nice piece of Potterverse Merchandise. Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Aug 9 03:13:12 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:13:12 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda wrote: > > > > > I couldn't find "put away" in this sense in dictionaries, so I had to > > figure it out basing on the final score in that game, LOL. The score > > was 170:60, which means that Gryffindors scored twice (170- 150=20), > > but only one goal was mentioned, so I assumed the second one was > > Alicia's penalty. Difficult, very difficult ... :-). > > Carol responds: > snip> > If you Google "put away" (with the phrase in quotes), along with > "score" and "goal" (no quotes), you'll find lots of online sports > articles that use in in the sense of scoring a goal, but I don't > suppose they'd be any clearer without a definition than Lee Jordan's > commentary. Potioncat: But "put away" isn't really a sports term. It's an expression used for color, for descriptive purposes. Commentators do that quite often, and if you understand the game, you understand what's happening. I can't think of other examples. Contrast that with "to serve" in tennis, which is clearly a sports term. Sports people are strange any way. It took me forever to undertand that the team's 'goal' in US Football isn't the one their going to, but the one they're defending. ?!? I mean, don't you generally go towards your goal, not away from it? From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 9 06:38:43 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:38:43 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Geoff: > > The usual pronunciation I have heard is 'Alice' - as in Alice in > Wonderland - followed by 'i-a' with a short i. In other words, all the > vowels are short. > > Hope that makes sense! Carol: > But isn't the accent on the second syllable in Alicia, as you > pronounce it (Ah LISS ih a), rather than the first syllable, as in > Alice (AH liss), with "ah" indicating a short "a" as in "cat" and "ih" > a short "i" as in "pit"? > > I can't quite "get" the short "i" in "i-a," though, because, to me, it > sounds like long "e" (ee) even in the British pronunciation (Ah LISS > ee uh, with the "uh" representing a schwa). > > Carol, who would pronounce the name the American way, Ah LEE shuh Geoff: I stress the same syllable in each. Having a long e sound as you describe it would shift the stress to the third syllable. From donnawonna at att.net Sat Aug 9 03:02:10 2008 From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:02:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <489D08B2.000026.02672@LIFESAVER> Donna: I would like to take a moment to thank you all for the various book recommendations. My wall is plastered with post it notes with titles and authors. Right now, I'm reading the Dresden series and am starting book 5. Before anyone asks, I read just for the fun of reading. An error or inconsistency has to really be major before I will notice it. I just like the stories. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 15:42:49 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:42:49 -0000 Subject: Thank you In-Reply-To: <489D08B2.000026.02672@LIFESAVER> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote: > > Donna: > I would like to take a moment to thank you all for the various book recommendations. My wall is plastered with post it notes with titles and authors. Right now, I'm reading the Dresden series and am starting book 5. Before anyone asks, I read just for the fun of reading. An error or inconsistency has to really be major before I will notice it. I just like the stories. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Alla: Since you are reading book 5, I am assuming you like the series? Yes? Squeeee. Am very happy. I cannot wait for book 11 :) From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 9 19:59:26 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:59:26 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat wrote in : << "In his hand or by hand" are common phrases that are added onto sentences. I don't know if there's a name for it, emphasis is all I can think of. For example, I could show you the striped afgan on my sofa and say, "I made this afghan by hand." (How else would I make it?) >> By machine. I've never heard of a crocheting machine, but knitting machines for individual home use are common and people who make garments on them think they're being totally creative, artistic and creative with the colors, patterns, and stitches of the knitting as well as the fit and features of the garment. << or I might say, He held the frog in his hand. (How else would he hold it? Never mind, I don't want to know.) >> In a paper bag, or in a clean glass jar left over from peanut butter, or with a kleenex. From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 21:37:21 2008 From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:37:21 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test Message-ID: I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) But then I thought there might be a few people here that would like to try it. So what the hey, here's the link: http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests/the-harry-potter-husband-test/ And, NO, I did not take it myself. Though I sure wish someone would make a Harry Potter WIFE test, I'd take that one. I don't think you have to be a member anywhere to take the test, but since I *am*, I can't say for sure. Mike From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 9 22:07:08 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:07:08 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" wrote: > > Potioncat wrote in > : > > << "In his hand or by hand" are common phrases that are added onto > sentences. I don't know if there's a name for it, emphasis is all I > can think of. For example, I could show you the striped afgan on my > sofa and say, "I made this afghan by hand." (How else would I make it?) >> > > By machine. I've never heard of a crocheting machine, but knitting > machines for individual home use are common and people who make > garments on them think they're being totally creative, artistic and > creative with the colors, patterns, and stitches of the knitting as > well as the fit and features of the garment. > > << or I might say, He held the frog in his hand. (How else would he > hold it? Never mind, I don't want to know.) >> Geoff: In his teeth possibly? Between his toes or under his left armpit? > In a paper bag, or in a clean glass jar left over from peanut butter, > or with a kleenex. > From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 22:27:41 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:27:41 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > But isn't the accent on the second syllable in Alicia, as you pronounce it (Ah LISS ih a), rather than the first syllable, as in Alice (AH liss), with "ah" indicating a short "a" as in "cat" and "ih" a short "i" as in "pit"? > > > > I can't quite "get" the short "i" in "i-a," though, because, to me, it sounds like long "e" (ee) even in the British pronunciation (Ah LISS ee uh, with the "uh" representing a schwa). > > Geoff: > I stress the same syllable in each. Having a long e sound as you > describe it would shift the stress to the third syllable. > Carol: Why would a long vowel move the stress, which I've indicated through capital letters is on the *second* syllable in the British pronunciation as I hear it? I've also indicated, or tried to indicate, that the vowel in that second syllable is short (LISS to rhyme with "bliss"). I know of no rule that says a long vowel indicates a stressed syllable. Of course, "long" and "short" are rather inadequate terms for the phenomenon we're discussing, since English, unlike ancient Greek, doesn't hold some vowels for a longer time than others. In American English, at least, a long vowel "says its name," so a long "e" sounds like the letter E (which is what the vowel in the third--unstressed--syllable of the British pronunciation of alicia sounds like to me. Again, it sounds like Ah LISS ee uh to me, not Ah liss EE uh. I could be wrong, of course, not being British. But I'm quite sure that a long vowel does not, in itself, indicate a stressed syllable, and you said that you pronounced that syllable with a short "i" (as in "pit," "sit," "kit"), so it wouldn't be stressed according to your rule in any case. In any case, I can't "hear" "ia" pronounced "ih ah," with the vowel sounds of Kit Kat, the candy bar). To me, it's either "yuh" (with "uh" rather inadequately indicating an unaccented vowel or schwa) or ee-uh (with both the long "e" sound and the schwa unaccented). I'm wondering whether the terms long vowel and short vowel are used differently in Britain than they are in the U.S. I'll do a table to see whether we agree: Long Short A ate at E Pete pet I I it O hoe hot U huge hug Does that match the British conception? And to show that a long vowel doesn't necessairly indicate stress, wouldn't you pronounce "identity" as "i DEHN tuh tee," with a long "i" (pronounced "eye") but the stress on the second syllable, in which the vowel is short (pronounced exactly like the word "den"? Carol, wishing that English letters, especially vowels, didn't have so many sounds From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 9 22:56:48 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:56:48 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike wrote: > > I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments > with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, > sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) Carol: I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! I don't know whether anyone else can see this picture of a shirtless young Albus, but it made me laugh: http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/results/the-harry-potter-husband-test/?fromCGI=1&var_Lupinity=18&var_Snapesquity=21&var_Harryness=15&var_Ronness=8&var_Lockhartiness=-2&var_Dumbledority=18&var_Dudleyness=-5&var_Siriusness=14&var_Mad%252dEye%252dosity=16&var_Nevillity=12&var_Jamesiness=11&var_Billiness=12&var_Twinsosity=14 Well, *that's one unpromising URL, both in terms of length and of content, so I'll do the tinyurl thing: http://tinyurl.com/5dtarz Carol, now picturing herself as a merry-faced eighteen-year-old witch with blonde curls, perched on a window ledge From drdara at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 01:23:51 2008 From: drdara at yahoo.com (danielle dassero) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Harry Potter Husband Test Message-ID: <939814.13073.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> That is one cool fan art of a young Albus Dumbledore Danielle ----- Original Message ---- From: Carol To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:56:48 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Harry Potter Husband Test Mike wrote: > > I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments > with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, > sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) Carol: I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! I don't know whether anyone else can see this picture of a shirtless young Albus, but it made me laugh: http://helloquizzy. okcupid.com/ results/the- harry-potter- husband-test/ ?fromCGI= 1&var_Lupinity= 18&var_Snapesqui ty=21&var_ Harryness= 15&var_Ronness= 8&var_Lockhartin ess=-2&var_ Dumbledority= 18&var_Dudleynes s=-5&var_ Siriusness= 14&var_Mad% 252dEye%252dosit y=16&var_ Nevillity= 12&var_Jamesines s=11&var_ Billiness= 12&var_Twinsosit y=14 Well, *that's one unpromising URL, both in terms of length and of content, so I'll do the tinyurl thing: http://tinyurl. com/5dtarz Carol, now picturing herself as a merry-faced eighteen-year- old witch with blonde curls, perched on a window ledge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Aug 10 03:03:05 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:03:05 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" > I'm wondering whether the terms long vowel and short vowel are used > differently in Britain than they are in the U.S. > > I'll do a table to see whether we agree: > > Long Short > > A ate at > E Pete pet > I I it > O hoe hot > U huge hug Potioncat: Have you seen "Calendar Girls"? In one scene a young man is talking about plums. Well, he isn't exactly talking about plums, but he says "plums" several times. He doesn't pronounce it "plumes" but it isn't like American "plum" I guess I'm saying that while the long and short may have the sound meaning, they may not have the same sounds. Have you listened to the recorded HP? I think the reader (Is it Jim Dale in the US?) pronounces it the way Geoff is suggesting. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 04:45:32 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 04:45:32 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > Have you listened to the recorded HP? I think the reader (Is it Jim > Dale in the US?) pronounces it the way Geoff is suggesting. zanooda: What a great idea! I don't know why I didn't think about it myself :-). I guess I forgot that Alicia was mentioned in "The Sacking of Severus Snape". I thought she was in the earlier books, and I only have DH audiobook (Jim Dale), which I haven't listened to yet. So I listened to this chapter and now I know it's definitely *not* "Ali-sha", which was the only thing I wanted to know - I don't understand much about long and short vowels :-). McGonagall seem to have some strange accent though :-). From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Aug 10 06:41:00 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:41:00 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Carol: > I'm wondering whether the terms long vowel and short vowel are used > differently in Britain than they are in the U.S. > > I'll do a table to see whether we agree: > > Long Short > > A ate at > E Pete pet > I I it > O hoe hot > U huge hug > > Does that match the British conception? And to show that a long vowel > doesn't necessairly indicate stress, wouldn't you pronounce "identity" > as "i DEHN tuh tee," with a long "i" (pronounced "eye") but the stress > on the second syllable, in which the vowel is short (pronounced > exactly like the word "den"? Geoff: This is a difficult area to indicate what we mean. In general, I would tend to agree with your list with the following provisos. There is also 'a' as in 'hay'. Your choice of 'ate' is not a good one as it is often pronounced 'et' - with a short 'e' sound in many UK areas. For 'i' there is also the sound as in 'machine'. Going back to 'Alice' and "Alicia', the point I am trying to make is that the 'Alic-'' stem is said the same way. I have not heard the form 'Alee-sicia' in UK pronunciation. Mark you, it; not a common name here. My first reaction to the name is usually to think of the pianist Alicia de la Rocha and her name is pronounced Spanish style! In the words of the old song -'You say 'tomayto' and I say 'tomahto'; let's call the whole thing off. :-) From foxmoth at qnet.com Sun Aug 10 13:11:38 2008 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:11:38 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Lee wrote: > > > > So, how do we resolve this inconsistency? > > > Carol: > I know there's a camp that believes all inconsistencies in the HP > books can be resolved, but, IMO, this one is an out-and-out Flint. Pippin: People thought the pub in Hogsmeade had been inconsistently named "The Hogs Head" in PS/SS and "The Three Broomsticks" in PoA, until it turned out there were two pubs. IMO, just as Hogsmeade had more than one pub, the Weasleys have more than one clock. From memory, since I am also too lazy to look this up, the grandfather clock mentioned in CoS is in the living room. The kitchen clock, first mentioned in GoF, tells where members of the Weasley family are and is the one that Mrs. Weasley carried about with her. Pippin From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Aug 10 14:48:15 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:48:15 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" wrote: > > Is anyone planning to see Alan Rickman's new movie, "Bottle Shock," > about a 1976 contest between French chardonnay and California wine > from Napa Valley? Rickman plays the British wine merchant called in to > judge the contest. (I know it sounds a lot like "Sideways," but I > think it will be funnier and better.) Potioncat: We went to see it last night. Only one theater--in a land of big multiplexes--was showing it. The auditorium (granted, not a big one) was about 90% full. The whole house laughed at the line from the trailer "...I'm British and you're not." and many applauded at the end. Like many of Alan Rickman's films, there's not really one star, or one main character. I'll be glad to discuss the movie off list, or after everyone's seen it, on list. From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Aug 10 16:07:30 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:07:30 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CC3CAF3756C4276B70A72AD51F3C643@FRODO> | Pippin: | | People thought the pub in Hogsmeade had been inconsistently named "The | Hogs Head" in PS/SS and "The Three Broomsticks" in PoA, until it | turned out there were two pubs. | | IMO, just as Hogsmeade had more than one pub, the Weasleys have more | than one clock. From memory, since I am also too lazy to look this up, | the grandfather clock mentioned in CoS is in the living room. The | kitchen clock, first mentioned in GoF, tells where members of the | Weasley family are and is the one that Mrs. Weasley carried about with | her. [Lee]: Well, yes and know. The grandfather clock is in the living room or sitting room. It is described as follows: "Mrs. Weasley glanced at the grandfather clock in the corner. Harry liked this clock. It was completely useless if you wanted to know the time, but otherwise very informative. It had nine golden hands, and each of them was engraved with one of the Weasley family's names. There were no numerals around the face, but descriptions of where each family member might be. "Home," "school," and "work" were there, but there was also "traveling," "lost," "hospital," "prison," and, in the position where the number twelve would be on a normal clock, "mortal peril." " (GOF, US Edition.) Now, no mention was made of two clocks, so we have an inconsistency of description: "She turned to look at a large clock that was perched awkwardly on top of a pile of sheets in the washing basket at the end of the table. Harry recognized it at once: It had nine hands, each inscribed with the name of a family member, and usually hung on the Weasleys' sitting room wall, though its current position suggested that Mrs. Weasley had taken to carrying it around the house with her. Every single one of its nine hands was now pointing at "mortal peril." " (HBP, US Edition.) So, I guess either she did a Reducio on the grandfather clock or this really is a serious Flint which warrants fifty points from JKR's house. :-) Cheers, Lee :-) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 10 17:41:05 2008 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 10 Aug 2008 17:41:05 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 8/10/2008, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1218390065.9.23235.m50@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday August 10, 2008 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2008 Yahoo! 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Molly is a strong, resourceful witch and would think of doing something like that. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 18:05:40 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:05:40 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geoff: > This is a difficult area to indicate what we mean. In general, I would tend to agree with your list with the following provisos. > > There is also 'a' as in 'hay'. Your choice of 'ate' is not a good one as it is often pronounced 'et' - with a short 'e' sound in many UK areas. Carol: I'd forgotten that. In the U.S., "et" is used only in dialects that would, in a prescriptive dictionary, be labeled substandard. How about "hate" (long) vs. "hat" (short)? Geoff: > For 'i' there is also the sound as in 'machine'. Carol: Are you saying that, for you, the "i" in "machine" has the same sound as the "i" in "pit" or "chin" or "shin"? For me, it doesn't. The "i" in "machine" sounds like a long "e" (muh SHEEN, not muh SHIN). Geoff: > Going back to 'Alice' and "Alicia', the point I am trying to make is that the 'Alic-'' stem is said the same way. Carol: With the accent on the first syllable? I don't recall the name sounding that way in the films. Guess I'll have to watch them again as I don't have access to the tapes. Carol, now confused about the distinction between the British and Spanish pronunciations of Alicia, which I suspect relate to the second syllable ("ih" vs. "ee") From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 18:21:32 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:21:32 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: <1CC3CAF3756C4276B70A72AD51F3C643@FRODO> Message-ID: Pippin wrote: > | IMO, just as Hogsmeade had more than one pub, the Weasleys have more than one clock. From memory, since I am also too lazy to look this up, the grandfather clock mentioned in CoS is in the living room. The kitchen clock, first mentioned in GoF, tells where members of the Weasley family are and is the one that Mrs. Weasley carried about with her. > > [Lee]: > Well, yes and know. The grandfather clock is in the living room or sitting room. It is described as follows: > > "Mrs. Weasley glanced at the grandfather clock in the corner. Harry liked this clock. It was completely useless if you wanted to know the time, but otherwise very informative. It had nine golden hands, and each of them was engraved with one of the Weasley family's names. There were no numerals around the face, but descriptions of where each family member might be. "Home," "school," and "work" were there, but there was also "traveling," "lost," "hospital," "prison," and, in the position where the number twelve would be on a normal clock, "mortal peril." " (GOF, US Edition.) > > Now, no mention was made of two clocks, so we have an inconsistency of description: > > "She turned to look at a large clock that was perched awkwardly on top of a pile of sheets in the washing basket at the end of the table. Harry recognized it at once: It had nine hands, each inscribed with the name of a family member, and usually hung on the Weasleys' sitting room wall, though its current position suggested that Mrs. Weasley had taken to carrying it around the house with her. Every single one of its nine hands was now pointing at "mortal peril." " (HBP, US Edition.) > > So, I guess either she did a Reducio on the grandfather clock or this really is a serious Flint which warrants fifty points from JKR's house. :-) Carol: Exactly. There's only one clock with hands that can point to "mortal peril" instead of the time (Mrs. Weasley wonders in HBP whether anyone else has a clock of that sort), and it's described inconsistently, first as a grandfather clock and then as a wall clock that can be taken down and carried around in a laundry basket. It's exactly like Percy's Prefect badge, which is described in SS/PS as silver, yet is somehow "identical" to Ron's red and gold one in OoP. At least JKR recognized *that* inconsistency as a Flint and had it corrected in later British editions. IIRC, Scholastic has a consistency editor who should have caught both sets of inconsistencies. (What, exactly, are they paying her for?) I'm not aware that Bloomsbury has a consistency editor, but a copyeditor who had edited the previous manuscripts should have caught them. Maybe they use a different copyeditor for each book.) Carol, noting that JKR could easily avoid such discrepancies by simply checking the earlier books From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 18:24:46 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:24:46 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > We went to see it last night. Only one theater--in a land of big multiplexes--was showing it. The auditorium (granted, not a big one) was about 90% full. The whole house laughed at the line from the trailer "...I'm British and you're not." and many applauded at the end. > > Like many of Alan Rickman's films, there's not really one star, or one main character. I'll be glad to discuss the movie off list, or after everyone's seen it, on list. > Carol: But was it worth seeing, in your view? And, if so, worth seeing for Alan Rickman's performance or for itself? Carol, not asking for spoilers, only for a value judgment From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 10 19:16:02 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:16:02 -0000 Subject: Husband quiz / song lyric Message-ID: Carol wrote in : << I don't know whether anyone else can see this picture of a shirtless young Albus, but it made me laugh: http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/results/the-harry-potter-husband-test/?fromCGI=1&\var_Lupinity=18&var_Snapesquity=21&var_Harryness=15&var_Ronness=8&var_Lockhartin\ess=-2&var_Dumbledority=18&var_Dudleyness=-5&var_Siriusness=14&var_Mad%252dEye%2\52dosity=16&var_Nevillity=12&var_Jamesiness=11&var_Billiness=12&var_Twinsosity=1\4 Well, *that's one unpromising URL, both in terms of length and of content, so I'll do the tinyurl thing: http://tinyurl.com/5dtarz >> I suppose the answers which I thought meant Pettigrew (In case of danger, your man would: (x) Run away to live in another city) were supposed to mean Dudley. As Lucius was not one of the grades, I wonder whom he meant for: if you see your guy beating up some stranger in a hood, you would (x) assume that the stranger is a Death Eater and stay away; it's best not to get involved in inter-DE quarrels or (x) join in; a bit of monk-bashing is always fun. Geoff wrote in : << In the words of the old song -'You say 'tomayto' and I say 'tomahto'; let's call the whole thing off. >> Which ends: 'but if we call the whole thing off, then we must part, and if we were to part, then that would break my heart' From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Aug 10 19:54:03 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:54:03 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Geoff: > > For 'i' there is also the sound as in 'machine'. Carol: > Are you saying that, for you, the "i" in "machine" has the same sound > as the "i" in "pit" or "chin" or "shin"? For me, it doesn't. The "i" > in "machine" sounds like a long "e" (muh SHEEN, not muh SHIN). Geoff: No, I didn't suggest that. In your post 37399, you gave two examples for 'i'. For long 'i', you suggested the pronoun 'I' and for the short 'i' as in 'it'. Neither of these covers the 'i' sound of 'machine' which is precisely the reason for my comment above. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:17:47 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:17:47 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Geoff: > > Going back to 'Alice' and "Alicia', the point I am trying to > > make is that the 'Alic-'' stem is said the same way. > Carol: > With the accent on the first syllable? I don't recall the name > sounding that way in the films. zanooda: The accent is on the second syllable (uh-LIS-ia) :-). After I listened to Jim Dale, I found online the Steven Fry version and listened to it as well, and they both pronounce it the same way, so I guess no Alishas in the UK :-)! I doubt it though that Alicia is mentioned in the movies, I'll have to check. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Aug 10 23:57:18 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:57:18 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Geoff: > No, I didn't suggest that. > > In your post 37399, you gave two examples for 'i'. For long 'i', > you suggested the pronoun 'I' and for the short 'i' as in 'it'. > > Neither of these covers the 'i' sound of 'machine' which is precisely > the reason for my comment above. Potioncat: OK, OK. You've had your fun. So, just how does the 'i' in machine sound? From fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net Mon Aug 11 00:39:13 2008 From: fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net (fuzzlebub85) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:39:13 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Geoff: > > No, I didn't suggest that. > > > > In your post 37399, you gave two examples for 'i'. For long 'i', > > you suggested the pronoun 'I' and for the short 'i' as in 'it'. > > > > Neither of these covers the 'i' sound of 'machine' which is > > precisely the reason for my comment above. > > Potioncat: > > OK, OK. You've had your fun. > > So, just how does the 'i' in machine sound? Kaylee here, after FOREVER not posting on the main group (and possibly NEVER here...) I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I believe the "i" in "machine" is pronounced like a long "e", the letter E. Muhsheen, phonetically speaking. *grin* ~Kaylee!! From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 01:49:41 2008 From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:49:41 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > > I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered > and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it > again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the > answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried > to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! Mike: Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was third. What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) OK, I found another one. The HP Wand Test. It's going to be the same story, they'll make you register to see your score, but you're already registered. (which BTW is odd, cuz I took one of their tests and got my score *before* I registered on their site?!?) At least everyone can take this test. They say they're using the Druidic science, but who really knows: http://www.okcupid.com/quizzy/take?id=5113933298354864703 I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. Mike From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 11 02:46:58 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:46:58 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Mike" wrote: > > > Carol: > > > > I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered > > and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it > > again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the > > answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried > > to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! > > Mike: > Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? > > I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was third. > What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) > > OK, I found another one. The HP Wand Test. It's going to be the same > story, they'll make you register to see your score, but you're > already registered. (which BTW is odd, cuz I took one of their tests > and got my score *before* I registered on their site?!?) At least > everyone can take this test. They say they're using the Druidic > science, but who really knows: > > http://www.okcupid.com/quizzy/take?id=5113933298354864703 > > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. > > Mike Potioncat: Sorry, Carol. I'm Mrs. Snape. Mad-eye was next in line. Either way, I'm a widow---and come to think of it, neither of them would so great to wake up next to in the mornings. Couldn't take the wand test. It insisted I register and I wasn't comfortable with the questions. Oh boy, I must be bored! It seems there was a HP site once upon a time that would give you a wand and sort you into a house. Does anyone remember it? I'm not sure if it was WB or Scholastic. From fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net Mon Aug 11 02:52:56 2008 From: fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net (fuzzlebub85) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:52:56 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > "Mike" wrote: > > > > > Carol: > > > > > > I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered > > > and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it > > > again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the > > > answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried > > > to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! > > > > Mike: > > Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? > > > > I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was > third. > > What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) > > > > OK, I found another one. The HP Wand Test. It's going to be the > same > > story, they'll make you register to see your score, but you're > > already registered. (which BTW is odd, cuz I took one of their > tests > > and got my score *before* I registered on their site?!?) At least > > everyone can take this test. They say they're using the Druidic > > science, but who really knows: > > > > http://www.okcupid.com/quizzy/take?id=5113933298354864703 > > > > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. > > > > Mike > > > Potioncat: > Sorry, Carol. I'm Mrs. Snape. Mad-eye was next in line. Either way, > I'm a widow---and come to think of it, neither of them would so great > to wake up next to in the mornings. > > Couldn't take the wand test. It insisted I register and I wasn't > comfortable with the questions. > > Oh boy, I must be bored! > > It seems there was a HP site once upon a time that would give you a > wand and sort you into a house. Does anyone remember it? I'm not sure > if it was WB or Scholastic. Hi Potioncat! Kaylee here. I remember that site! I am fairly sure it was WB. Is it not the same anymore, then? I haven't been back in a while, but I remember I was consistently Gryffindor. ~Kaylee (aka Kaylee Tonks-Lupin, First Mate of Captain Amber's SWAK DEAD and Shipmate to Captain Sue of the DRIBBLE SHADOWS. Where are my Captains, still out there? I do miss Theory Bay...) > From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 11 03:03:57 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:03:57 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > > But was it worth seeing, in your view? And, if so, worth seeing for > Alan Rickman's performance or for itself? > > Carol, not asking for spoilers, only for a value judgment Potioncat: Oh, boy. I was hoping someone else would answer. Where's SSSusan? She's a Rickman fan. The review in the Washington Post said something like, "...if you like your wine cold, your Rickman tart and your pickups rusted, this is the movie for you." I'm glad I went. My husband and I both enjoyed the movie. Although it is not a great movie, it's pleasant. You see, for about 18 years now, my husband and I are usually taking a child to see the movie and recently aged into the PG-13 range. It's not too often we go to a grown-up movie for ourselves---and we haven't been too lucky with the ones we've chosen. So pleasant is very, very good. Go see the movie if it's local, or if you're an Alan Rickman fan. If it's a real inconvenience to get to, then consider waiting for the DVD. Potioncat, now fully aware of the stress Siskle and Ebert were under! From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Aug 11 03:07:44 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:07:44 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Mike: > Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? > > I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was > third. What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) Jen: Snape *3rd* for you Carol?!? Course there can be a difference between finding fictional qualities fascinating & wanting to marry someone with them. ;) I can't resist these quiz thingies. I scored 4 guys within one percentage point of each other: Neville at 64%, Harry & Bill at 63%, and Lupin at 62%. I found Neville & Harry to be a little, ah, disturbing considering they're 17 in the last book. Fiction, only fiction. *snicker* Mike: > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. Jen: 11 2/3", Oak, Veela "Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. The veela hair as a wand core means that you are slightly unpredictable but very powerful." Woo-hoo! Watch out Mike - I'm powerful. Mwahahaha. I want the phoenix core though. *pouts* Oh, maybe that's why I got Veela...emotional. Anyone else have a hard time deciding what class you'd want to take at Hogwarts? I liked chemistry & potions sounds similar. Charms would be fun. Ancient Runes & Arithmancy both sound promising but we never see a class. Not much interested in the outside classes like herbology & magical creatures. And Transfiguration is squicky to me. I'd find Divination entertaining if nothing else. What to choose, what to choose. From catlady at wicca.net Mon Aug 11 03:26:38 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:26:38 -0000 Subject: Sorting Hats and in-laws Message-ID: Potioncat wrote in : << It seems there was a HP site once upon a time that would give you a wand and sort you into a house. Does anyone remember it? I'm not sure if it was WB or Scholastic. >> WB used to give you a wand by randomness - Allivan's storefront and many of the wand type they sell seem to be copied from that part of the WB site. WB also used to sort people in Houses, but I don't remember if that was by randomness or by questionnaire. The best on-line Sorting Hat I ever encountered was at: The second best was from a listie named Melanie from Ravenclaw and I haven't been able to find her quiz in years. Potioncat wrote in : << Although sometimes when a speaker is trying to completely identify the relationship, he may add an -in-law to the word (cousin-in-law). More often it's cousin by marriage. You know, I can't think of a good reason for getting that specific in a conversation. Well, maybe if someone said, "Isn't Voldmort your cousin?" and you wanted to distance yourself from the relationship. >> I've never heard anyone say aunt-in-law, but aunt-by-marriage came up in conversation yesterday. A friend was reminiscing that, in her children, the aunts and uncles on her mother's side were a real part of the family. They all lived in the same city and got together at least several times a year. But when she was in college, Aunt so-and-so stopped being her aunt. I said "??" so she explained that her uncle and aunt had gotten divorced then. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 11 03:31:04 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:31:04 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen: Snape *3rd* for you Carol?!? Course there can be a difference > between finding fictional qualities fascinating & wanting to marry > someone with them. ;) > > > Mike: > > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. > > Jen: > 11 2/3", Oak, Veela Potioncat: >10", Oak, Dragon Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. Your dragon's heartstring core makes your wand very effective in hexes. Uh, guys... I think we ought to go now. This place is a bit creepy. Dating services and lots of people looking for friends. Erm...I don't think we ought to be here...We've got our wands....let's evaporate! I mean evanescape. "3Ds and Apparate!" Mike, if I get a bunch of junk on my computer, you'll be in big trouble! From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 03:56:50 2008 From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:56:50 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen: > 11 2/3", Oak, Veela > > "Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. > The veela hair as a wand core means that you are slightly > unpredictable but very powerful." > > Woo-hoo! Watch out Mike - I'm powerful. Mwahahaha. > > I want the phoenix core though. *pouts* Oh, maybe that's why > I got Veela...emotional. Mike: 11", Ash, Phoenix "An ash wand signifies growth, balance, and protection. The phoenix tail feather as your core means that you have the capability to be an *extremely powerful* wizard or witch and that you will defend those you love at all costs." HA Jen, I got **extremely powerful**. So you just put that wimpy Veela wand back inside your robe. I wonder if they have to take the wand wood from a live tree? Cuz they can't find any Ash trees around here, the Emerald Ash Borer has killed all of 'em in lower Michigan. :( > Jen: > Anyone else have a hard time deciding what class you'd want to > take at Hogwarts? I liked chemistry & potions sounds similar. > Charms would be fun. Ancient Runes & Arithmancy both sound > promising but we never see a class. Not much interested in the > outside classes like herbology & magical creatures. And > Transfiguration is squicky to me. I'd find Divination > entertaining if nothing else. > > What to choose, what to choose. Mike: I think I was tempted to go with Transfiguration, because I loved the whole Animagus theme and that's Transfiging. But I think at the last second I changed my mind and went with Arithimancy because I want to know what's behind all that magic number stuff. There has to be more than that, right? I mean, 5 years of that has to be more than just magic numbers. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 06:21:43 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:21:43 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: <91B6165647A845A185473E42BCDC99F7@FRODO> Message-ID: --- "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" wrote: > > Hi, > > ... > > In GOF, the Weasley Clock is described as a "Grandfather clock." > However, in HBP, the description is of a wall clock that Molly > now carries around with her everywhere in the house. > > So, how do we resolve this inconsistency? Can we say that > Molly did a Reducio charm on the grandfather clock, turned it > into a wall clock which she takes with her throughout the > house? > > It's amazing which things jump out at a person during another > read through the series. > > Cheers, > > Lee :-) bboyminn: The most consistent explanation that I have heard is that the grandfather clock was merely a decorative shell to hold the clockwork mechanism. Mrs. Weasley simple remover the mechanism from the shell, and carried it around. I still get the sense that the mechanism she is carrying is relatively bulky. There can be a simple explanation, if you are open to it. Steve/bluewizard From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 11 06:22:55 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:22:55 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > Geoff: > > No, I didn't suggest that. > > > > In your post 37399, you gave two examples for 'i'. For long 'i', > > you suggested the pronoun 'I' and for the short 'i' as in 'it'. > > > > Neither of these covers the 'i' sound of 'machine' which is precisely > > the reason for my comment above. > > Potioncat: > > OK, OK. You've had your fun. > > So, just how does the 'i' in machine sound? Geoff: Mehsheen or summat similar. Which, as I have said, doesn't fit the 'I/it example. From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Mon Aug 11 08:40:08 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:40:08 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Harry Potter Husband Test Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2008 5:37:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcrudele78 at yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) But then I thought there might be a few people here that would like to try it. So what the hey, here's the link: _http://helloquizzy.http://hellohttp://helhttp://helloqhttp://helloq_ (http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests/the-harry-potter-husband-test/) Sandy: Ohmigod! Knock me over with a feather - I am Mrs. Snape!! Tied for second were Lupin and Dumbledore. Sandy, who apologizes to Carol. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Mon Aug 11 08:54:09 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:54:09 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Harry Potter Wand Test Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2008 9:50:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcrudele78 at yahoo.com writes: I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. Sandy: 10", oak, dragon, which means I'm pretty good at hexes. Sandy **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ladymela99 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 13:13:36 2008 From: ladymela99 at yahoo.com (Melanie) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <755526.14839.qm@web30007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <<>> I caught the trailer for this movie on Reelz channel during the show where they show trailers (yes, I know I'm hopeless) but this looked absolutely phenomenal. The cast looked amazing. Alan Rickman looked absolutely wondeful and Chris Pine is absolutely gorgeous! LOL ~Melanie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Aug 11 14:21:27 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:21:27 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Mike: > 11", Ash, Phoenix > > "An ash wand signifies growth, balance, and protection. The phoenix > tail feather as your core means that you have the capability to be > an *extremely powerful* wizard or witch and that you will defend > those you love at all costs." > > HA Jen, I got **extremely powerful**. So you just put that wimpy > Veela wand back inside your robe. Jen: Hey! Temperamental perhaps, fickle perhaps, but wimpy?!! Fightin' words. Besides, I have an oak tree in my front yard & it sounds like, unfortunately for the ash trees lower Michigan, you've got to travel to find a suitable wand tree. > Mike: > I think I was tempted to go with Transfiguration, because I loved > the whole Animagus theme and that's Transfiging. But I think at the > last second I changed my mind and went with Arithimancy because I > want to know what's behind all that magic number stuff. There has > to be more than that, right? I mean, 5 years of that has to be more > than just magic numbers. Jen: I can't decide if it's more like math or numerology when trying to think of a RW equivalent. Harmione would like the precision of math & it's taught by Prof. Vector. But then, attempting to find logic for anything in the story having to do with maths may be a losing battle.... Potioncat: > >10", Oak, Dragon > Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. Your > dragon's heartstring core makes your wand very effective in hexes. Jen: Hmm, I'm going to watch out for you too, although you don't seem the type to hex behind someone's back. Potioncat > Uh, guys... I think we ought to go now. This place is a bit creepy. > Dating services and lots of people looking for friends. Erm...I > don't think we ought to be here...We've got our wands....let's > evaporate! I mean evanescape. "3Ds and Apparate!" Jen: Yes, let's get Mikey out of here before he finds another quiz I feel compelled to take.;) From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 15:01:56 2008 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:01:56 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carol: > But was it worth seeing, in your view? And, if so, worth seeing for > Alan Rickman's performance or for itself? Now, I haven't seen the movie itself BUT I can tell you this: if you're going to see the movie for the subject (aka the 1976 US v. France "judgment of Paris"), I would wait for the Judgement of Paris movie coming out later. From what I know of the movie, facts are a little skewed here, so with two movies of the same topic coming out, I'd wait for the second. However, I'm not a big Rickman fan and wouldn't see a (in theaters) just for him, but if you are going to do so, I hear the movie isn't bad and has wonderful scenery shots - it's just that the facts are a little skewed. Personally, I'm waiting for the other movie and grabbing Bottle Shock on Netflix. ~Ali From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 16:29:55 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:29:55 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Geoff: > > > > Going back to 'Alice' and "Alicia', the point I am trying to make is that the 'Alic-'' stem is said the same way. > Carol: > > > With the accent on the first syllable? I don't recall the name sounding that way in the films. > > > zanooda: > > The accent is on the second syllable (uh-LIS-ia) :-). After I listened to Jim Dale, I found online the Steven Fry version and listened to it as well, and they both pronounce it the same way, so I guess no Alishas in the UK :-)! I doubt it though that Alicia is mentioned in the movies, I'll have to check. > Carol: thanks, zanooda. I thought so. I mean, I didn't think Alicia could possibly sound like Alice (AH Lis ee uh). I assume it's Uh LISS ee uh--the first and last syllables are schwas and the "i" is pronounced as in "machine," more or less a long "e" unless someone can come up with a better rendering. Carol, who still pronounces the name the American way as she reads From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 18:53:49 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:53:49 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > bboyminn: > > The most consistent explanation that I have heard is that the grandfather clock was merely a decorative shell to hold the clockwork mechanism. Mrs. Weasley simple remover the mechanism from the shell, and carried it around. I still get the sense that the mechanism she is carrying is relatively bulky. > > There can be a simple explanation, if you are open to it. > > Steve/bluewizard > Carol: Except that the clock in HBP is described as hanging on the wall before she took it down. Grandfather clocks are much too large and heavy to hang on the wall (much less carry around in a basket). Look at the size of the pendulums, for one thing. Carol, wondering why we can't just admit that JKR is human and subject to error like the rest of us From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 16:51:50 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:51:50 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike: > Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? > > I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was third. What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) Carol: I don't dislike Lupin, except when he immediately turns against Snape. At least Hagrid defended him and resisted believing that he killed DD. But I was going for real-life honest answers rather than answers that I knew would lead to Snape (whom I love as a character but might present problems as a husband). Mike: > OK, I found another one. The HP Wand Test. It's going to be the same > story, they'll make you register to see your score, but you're > already registered. (which BTW is odd, cuz I took one of their tests > and got my score *before* I registered on their site?!?) At least > everyone can take this test. They say they're using the Druidic > science, but who really knows: > > http://www.okcupid.com/quizzy/take?id=5113933298354864703 > > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. > > Mike Carol: The significance is explained. Here are my results (the log-in didn't work so I had to get my results without saving them): "9", Oak, Unicorn "You scored 53 wisdom, 17 bravery, 26 emotional, and 17 martyrdom! Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. Your unicorn's tail hair core means that you are pure of heart and care deeply for your loved ones." So the only thing that's unexplained is the 9 inches. Probably because I'm not very brave! BTW. I had to choose whether I was more like Neville or Cho. Tough choice! I can identify with both. Now if they'd given Hermione and I was thinking of my teenage self ("insufferable know-it-all"), I'd have chosen her, even though she's sometimes annoying as a character. Carol, who thought some of the answers should have included an "Other" option From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 16:22:31 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:22:31 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Carol" wrote: > > Geoff: > > > For 'i' there is also the sound as in 'machine'. > > Carol: > > Are you saying that, for you, the "i" in "machine" has the same sound > > as the "i" in "pit" or "chin" or "shin"? For me, it doesn't. The "i" > > in "machine" sounds like a long "e" (muh SHEEN, not muh SHIN). > > Geoff: > No, I didn't suggest that. > > In your post 37399, you gave two examples for 'i'. For long 'i', you suggested the pronoun 'I' and for the short 'i' as in 'it'. > > Neither of these covers the 'i' sound of 'machine' which is precisely the reason for my comment above. > Carol: Ah! I thought you meant that, for you, "machine" had a *short* "i," which would make it muh SHIHN in the system of annotation I'm using. I'm saying that, for *me,* it counds more like muh SHEEN. I agree that the last syllable of "machine" is neither a short "i" nor a long "i." For me, it's a long "e" (ee). Is it a long "e" sound for you as well, or somewhere between "ih" and "ee"? For me, the last syllables of "machine" and "between" rhyme. Carol, who doesn't think of the "i" in "machine" as an "i" sound at all, any more than the "g" in "cough" has a "g" sound From sherriola at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 18:14:00 2008 From: sherriola at gmail.com (Sherry Gomes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:14:00 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01c8fbde$07d7e500$4001a8c0@Pensieve> Mike: I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) But then I thought there might be a few people here that would like to try it. So what the hey, here's the link: http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests/the-harry-potter-husband-test/ Sherry: Hmmm. I matched Sirius, James and Bill, all within a point or two of each other. my lowest numbers were Snape, Lockhart and Dudley. I didn't answer a couple of the questions, such as are scars sexy. Sherry From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 16:56:16 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:56:16 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: - Potioncat: > Sorry, Carol. I'm Mrs. Snape. Mad-eye was next in line. Either way, > I'm a widow---and come to think of it, neither of them would so great > to wake up next to in the mornings. Carol: I'm a widow, too, don't forget. And at least your husband is/was close to your age. I feel young compared with Dumbledore! Hm. Maybe I was born in, say, 1890 and married him when he was over that absurd infatuation with that evil boy, and now I'm 118! Well, it was fun while it lasted. Carol, wishing that these testmakers would ask for my sex rather than my gender as I'm not a pronoun From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:22:53 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:22:53 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen: Snape *3rd* for you Carol?!? Course there can be a difference between finding fictional qualities fascinating & wanting to marry someone with them. ;) Carol: It was about two percentage points, very similar to your scores only involving three men instead of three boys and a man. But, yes, there's a big difference between a fascinating fictional character and an ideal husband. (I don't think there's anyone in the HP books I'd want to marry. Maybe Cedric if he'd been allowed to grow up and were closer to my age.) > Jen: > 11 2/3", Oak, Veela > > "Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. The > veela hair as a wand core means that you are slightly unpredictable > but very powerful." > > Woo-hoo! Watch out Mike - I'm powerful. Mwahahaha. > > I want the phoenix core though. *pouts* Oh, maybe that's why I got Veela...emotional. Carol: 11 2/3 inches! You must have charged into battle while I, thinking of my real self now rather than an imaginary teenage self, ran away. At fifteen, or even twenty, though, I'd probably have charged into the fray and been promptly killed. Especially with my little 9-inch wand. BTW, Potioncat, I didn't like some of the questions, either, and had to decide by process of elimination, the least bad or least inappropriate choice when "none of the above" was the right answer but not an available option. Jen: > Anyone else have a hard time deciding what class you'd want to take > at Hogwarts? I liked chemistry & potions sounds similar. Charms would be fun. Carol: I chose Potions on the assumption or in the hope that Snape would be teaching it. I'd have been inspired by his poetic speeches and his knowledge, as Hermione clearly was, and not at all afraid of him (oops--I think I chose the wrong character to identify with!) or deterred by his sarcasm--though I'd try hard to avoid having it aimed at me! Also, Potions is useful. Charms is just silly (except maybe Accio, which would be handy for finding keys and other misplaced objects) and what's the point of turning a hedgehog into a pincushion and similar Transfiguration spells? (Please--don't anyone attack me for criticizing your favorite Hogwarts subject. I'm just describing my own purely subjective reaction.) Jen: > Ancient Runes & Arithmancy both sound promising but we never see a class. Not much interested in the outside classes like herbology & magical creatures. And Transfiguration is squicky to me. I'd find Divination entertaining if nothing else. > > What to choose, what to choose. Carol: Squicky? I'm not quite sure what it means, but I like it. Is it a portmanteau word, to use Lewis Carroll's term, combining two familiar words into a new one? Transfiguration makes you squeamish 'cause it's icky? Please explain. I'd take Ancient Runes because it involves language and translation and, probably, an element of history (because the runes are ancient). I assume that there's a connection with Druids (who ought to have been covered in History of Magic along with Goblin rebellions, Giant rebellions, Goblin rebellions, Witch burning, Goblin rebellions, and, oh, yeah, Goblin rebellions). Arithmancy, OTOH, involves numbers, which lets that subject out right away. (I may not be as bad at math as JKR, but it's by no means my forte.) Divination would be okay, but given a choice between it and Ancient Runes, I'd take ancient Runes. I agree with you about COMC and Herbology. Who wants to be attacked by a magical creature or child-eating plant? Carol, the Ravenclaw From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:06:11 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:06:11 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: <000a01c8fbde$07d7e500$4001a8c0@Pensieve> Message-ID: > > Sherry: > Hmmm. I matched Sirius, James and Bill, all within a point or two of each > other. my lowest numbers were Snape, Lockhart and Dudley. I didn't answer > a couple of the questions, such as are scars sexy. > > Sherry > Alla: LOL. Sherry, me too, was very close to your results. I matched Sirius and Bill ( surprise, eh?) and Lupin was close enough and Harry too, lol. James was further though. And yes, Snape was far far lololol. From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:11:02 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:11:02 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen: > > Snape *3rd* for you Carol?!? Course there can be a difference > between finding fictional qualities fascinating & wanting to marry > someone with them. ;) > > Carol: > It was about two percentage points, very similar to your scores only > involving three men instead of three boys and a man. But, yes, > there's a big difference between a fascinating fictional character and > an ideal husband. (I don't think there's anyone in the HP books I'd > want to marry. Maybe Cedric if he'd been allowed to grow up and were > closer to my age.) > Alla: For me it was three percentage difference between Sirius and Bill and then it goes further from there, I am actually surprised that Sirius scored that high, lol despite him being my favorite adult character in the series. I was very sure that I would not want to marry somebody like him, hehe. Oh, forgot Lupin was high enough too. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:38:18 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:38:18 -0000 Subject: Sorting Hats and in-laws In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady wrote: > The best on-line Sorting Hat I ever encountered was at: > Carol: I tried their Sorting Hat, version 2, which gives you only two choices per question, many of them that I couldn't really answer as neither choice applied. I came out Hufflepuff. Sorry--I don't think "Hufflepuff are duffers" or anything, but I'm not a Hufflepuff. BTW, you have to give your last name. I gave my maiden name, just in case someone is trawling the Net looking for me. (Yeah, I know that sounds paranoid, but I don't really want my real name out on the Internet at what might not be a secure site.) Carol, who's through with quizzes and Sorting for the day! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 19:18:34 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:18:34 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen wrote: I can't decide if it's more like math or numerology when trying to think of a RW equivalent. Harmione would like the precision of math & it's taught by Prof. Vector. But then, attempting to find logic for anything in the story having to do with maths may be a losing battle.... Carol: But it's the logic of etymology (which JKR is pretty good at) that we need to consider here. "Arith" clearly relates to "arithmetic," which is derived from "arithmos," the Greek word for "number," and "-mancy" is an actual English suffix meaning "divination" derived from the Greek word "mantis," meaning "diviner." So, apparently, divination is okay with Hermione if it's based on something solid and predictable like numbers; otherwise, it's "woolly." Alternatively, "-mantis" might simply suggest magic or sorcery, as in "necromancy" (dark magic involving the dead--I think that Voldemort's resurrection potion and Inferi would qualify as necromancy--not taught at Hogwarts, of course!). As for vector, I think that JKR expects the reader to connect the concept with geometry (an imaginary line or something like that--I hate abstract mathematical concepts)--vaguely mathematical but not really related to Arithmancy, which I think of as divination based on numbers. Or it might be equivalent to numerology, which Merriam -Webster Online defines as "the study of the occult significance of numbers." that would tie in with Tom Riddle's fascination with the number seven. Carol, wondering whether there's any "silly wand waving" in arithmancy and thinking that it's more a matter of calculations From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 18:57:55 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:57:55 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sandy: > > Ohmigod! Knock me over with a feather - I am Mrs. Snape!! Tied for second were Lupin and Dumbledore. > > Sandy, who apologizes to Carol. Carol: Not a problem. Can you link us to your results so we can see his picture? Carol, wondering who Sandy expected her "husband" to be From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 21:12:54 2008 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:12:54 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: References: <1CC3CAF3756C4276B70A72AD51F3C643@FRODO> Message-ID: Carol: > IIRC, Scholastic has a consistency editor who should have caught both > sets of inconsistencies. (What, exactly, are they paying her for?) I'm > not aware that Bloomsbury has a consistency editor, but a copyeditor > who had edited the previous manuscripts should have caught them. Maybe > they use a different copyeditor for each book.) Would a consistency editor get a hold of an English-to-English "translation," though? It seems to me that that's something that either (1) wouldn't get to a consistency editor at all or (2) get to his/her desk but be of low priority. But then, I've never worked in a major publishing house, so I don't know how things get done when you get into the big time. :) Re: your later email I can accept that JKR is human. (I read romance novels, and if you want to talk inaccurate, let's just pick up a period romance and play the "spot the modernism" game.) Frankly, the grandfather clock is not any of the flints that were glaring enough to throw me out of the book and is a small enough error that I completely understand how JKR could've missed it. ~Ali From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 11 21:30:01 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:30:01 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Carol: > thanks, zanooda. I thought so. I mean, I didn't think Alicia could > possibly sound like Alice (AH Lis ee uh). I assume it's Uh LISS ee > uh--the first and last syllables are schwas and the "i" is pronounced > as in "machine," more or less a long "e" unless someone can come up > with a better rendering. > > Carol, who still pronounces the name the American way as she reads Geoff: That is the whole point; we are approaching this from different ends. I speak UK, you speak US. I wouldn't even think of pronouncing Alicia "Aleesia". I've just never heard it said that way over here. It just another in a long list of words which are pronounced differently depending on which side of the pond you grew up. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:19:49 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:19:49 -0000 Subject: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > thanks, zanooda. I thought so. I mean, I didn't think Alicia could > possibly sound like Alice (AH Lis ee uh). I assume it's Uh LISS ee > uh--the first and last syllables are schwas and the "i" is pronounced > as in "machine," more or less a long "e" unless someone can come up > with a better rendering. You are welcome :-)!. The "i" in the second syllable didn't sound long to me though, but I admit I don't have a good ear :-). I forgot to tell that I also listened to the scene with "he caught that thing in his hand" (Steven Fry reading), and unfortunately, it sounds like "in his hand" modifies "caught" ;-(. zanooda, wondering why Dale reads McGonagall with an accent and Fry doesn't ... From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Aug 11 22:31:45 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:31:45 -0000 Subject: McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > zanooda, wondering why Dale reads McGonagall with an accent and Fry > doesn't ... Potioncat: Have any Brits heard the Dale version for McGonagall? Sounds Russian to me. That is, Rocky-and-Bulwinkle-Natasha Russian. I was wondering how it sounded to British ears. From drdara at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:50:09 2008 From: drdara at yahoo.com (danielle dassero) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Harry Potter Wand Test Message-ID: <777020.55046.qm@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> 11 2/3", Oak, Veela You scored 53 wisdom, 22 bravery, 16 emotional, and 22 martyrdom! Oak signifies wisdom, endurance, protection, and authority. The veela hair as a wand core means that you are slightly unpredictable but very powerful. Hmmm?almost fits me to a tee lmao Danielle ----- Original Message ---- From: potioncat To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:46:58 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Harry Potter Wand Test "Mike" wrote: > > > Carol: > > > > I took the test but it didn't show my results, so I registered > > and the site said that I hadn't taken any tests, so I took it > > again, giving exactly the same answers. I could have loaded the > > answers to make my ideal husband come out as Snape, but I tried > > to be honest and ended up as (sorry, Tonks!) Mrs. Dumbledore! > > Mike: > Sorry it makes you register. But it was a fun test though, huh? > > I noticed Lupin came in second on your score, Carol. Snape was third. > What's going on here? Carol, a closet Lupin sympathizer? ;-) > > OK, I found another one. The HP Wand Test. It's going to be the same > story, they'll make you register to see your score, but you're > already registered. (which BTW is odd, cuz I took one of their tests > and got my score *before* I registered on their site?!?) At least > everyone can take this test. They say they're using the Druidic > science, but who really knows: > > http://www.okcupid. com/quizzy/ take?id=51139332 98354864703 > > I'm 11", Ash, Phoenix. > I have no idea what that means, but I like my core. > > Mike Potioncat: Sorry, Carol. I'm Mrs. Snape. Mad-eye was next in line. Either way, I'm a widow---and come to think of it, neither of them would so great to wake up next to in the mornings. Couldn't take the wand test. It insisted I register and I wasn't comfortable with the questions. Oh boy, I must be bored! It seems there was a HP site once upon a time that would give you a wand and sort you into a house. Does anyone remember it? I'm not sure if it was WB or Scholastic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sherriola at gmail.com Mon Aug 11 22:56:15 2008 From: sherriola at gmail.com (Sherry Gomes) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:56:15 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006801c8fc05$76160610$4001a8c0@Pensieve> Potioncat: Have any Brits heard the Dale version for McGonagall? Sounds Russian to me. That is, Rocky-and-Bulwinkle-Natasha Russian. I was wondering how it sounded to British ears. Sherry: I'm not a brit, but Jim Dale's accent for McGonagall sounds like a scotts accent to me, which is what it should be I'd think. I never thought it sounded like cartoon Russian. Interesting. It gives me an excuse to pull out my books and listen again. Sherry From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Aug 12 00:01:44 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:01:44 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14B354AD21F14550B13553BE2548AB3E@FRODO> | Potioncat: | Have any Brits heard the Dale version for McGonagall? Sounds | Russian to | me. That is, Rocky-and-Bulwinkle-Natasha Russian. I was wondering how [Lee]: Jim says he modeled it off of his Scottish aunt. :-) Cheers, Lee :-) From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 02:58:43 2008 From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:58:43 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Mike: > > HA Jen, I got **extremely powerful**. So you just put that wimpy > > Veela wand back inside your robe. > > Jen: Hey! Temperamental perhaps, fickle perhaps, but wimpy?!! > Fightin' words. Besides, I have an oak tree in my front yard & > it sounds like, unfortunately for the ash trees in lower Michigan, > you've got to travel to find a suitable wand tree. Mike: OK, maybe not wimpy. ;-) It is really a shame about our Ash trees. I've had to chop down three of them, too close to the house. One blew down by the wind and hit the house, no damage though. :phew: They were all well over 50' with at least a foot and a half diameter trunk. Killed by an insect smaller than your thumbnail. > Jen: I can't decide if it's more like math or numerology when > trying to think of a RW equivalent. Hermione would like the > precision of math & it's taught by Prof. Vector. But then, > attempting to find logic for anything in the story having to do > with maths may be a losing battle.... Mike: Considering Tommy boy was so enamored with magically powerful numbers, I think he was probably good at this, too. I like Carol's explanation - arithmetic + mancy for magic - and I bet there are nuances, like number combinations, which the observant wizard can use to his advantage. > > Potioncat > > Uh, guys... I think we ought to go now. This place is a bit > > creepy. > > Jen: Yes, let's get Mikey out of here before he finds another > quiz I feel compelled to take.;) > > > Potioncat > > Mike, if I get a bunch of junk on my computer, you'll be in big > > trouble! Mike: Hey, I got this site from Kelley. It's got a lot of fun, weird, and yes raunchy tests. But I've never gotten any spam from them. I read their, whattayacallit, privacy statement. They are very serious about protecting the identity and email addresses of anyone that uses their site. So don't worry about it PC. Mike, crossing his fingers and toes that his words don't come back to haunt him, or that PC with that hexing wand can't find him ;-) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 03:36:45 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:36:45 -0000 Subject: McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > Have any Brits heard the Dale version for McGonagall? Sounds Russian > to me. Sounds German to me :-)! So *that's* the Scottish accent! The "r"s don't sound English at all :-). McGonagall didn't talk like this in the movie, so Jim Dale's pronunciation came as a surprise to me. Good to know :-)! It seems to me though that Bellatrix also speaks with some accent in Dale's recording. Is it French or is it one more accent that I don't know about :-)? zanooda, not very good at recognizing accents ... From minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 03:56:54 2008 From: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com (Tiffany B. Clark) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:56:54 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Mike: > > Hey, I got this site from Kelley. It's got a lot of fun, weird, and > yes raunchy tests. But I've never gotten any spam from them. > > I read their, whattayacallit, privacy statement. They are very > serious about protecting the identity and email addresses of anyone > that uses their site. So don't worry about it PC. > > Mike, crossing his fingers and toes that his words don't come back to > haunt him, or that PC with that hexing wand can't find him ;-) Tiffany: I use both OKCupid & Tickle for test taking. Some of OKCupid's tests are a bit oddball & rauncy, but they're very fun & great for entertainment. Tickle's got the largest selection & assortment of quizzes you can think of, esp. user made quizzes. Tickle's only weakspot is the fact that in June they switched to a new webpage format & many of their PhD tests, which were the most commonly taken there, due to how in-depth & informative they are, have yet to reappear. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 12 06:40:05 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:40:05 -0000 Subject: McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" > wrote: > > > Have any Brits heard the Dale version for McGonagall? Sounds Russian > > to me. > > > Sounds German to me :-)! So *that's* the Scottish accent! The "r"s > don't sound English at all :-). McGonagall didn't talk like this in > the movie, so Jim Dale's pronunciation came as a surprise to me. Good > to know :-)! > > It seems to me though that Bellatrix also speaks with some accent in > Dale's recording. Is it French or is it one more accent that I don't > know about :-)? > > > zanooda, not very good at recognizing accents ... Geoff: Escape clause. I write this bearing in mind that I have never heard Jim Dale reading the books. Bear in mind that there is no such thing as a 'Scots accent' in the same way that there is no such thing as an 'English accent' per se. Maggie Smith speaks with an Edinburgh accent whereas Robbie Coltrane, when speaking as himself, has a rather heavy Glaswegian accent. The humorous part about Maggie Smith is that, although she is often though of as a Scotswoman, she was born in the South-east of England. If you go into the Western Highlands -where a fair number of people also speak Gaelic on a regular basis - the accent is much softer and often slower. From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 12 11:50:17 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:50:17 -0000 Subject: More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Geoff: > > If you go into the Western Highlands -where a fair number of > people also speak Gaelic on a regular basis - the accent is much > softer and often slower. Potioncat: Have you seen 'Driving Lessons'? Rupert Grint's character meets a young woman in a hotel in Scotland. What sort of accent did she have? I thought it was rather pleasant sounding. The other movie that comes to mind is 'Blow Dry'. Natasha Richardson and Alan Rickman play a working class ex-couple. Their accent is very different than the ones the actors usually have. Of course, so is the part! That one was fun to listen to. I suppose that's like Steel Magnolias. There are quite a few actresses playing Southern women with strong Southern accents. Or 'The Ya-Ya Sisterhood' with Maggie Smith as a Southerner. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 12 21:38:16 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:38:16 -0000 Subject: More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > Geoff: > > > > > If you go into the Western Highlands -where a fair number of > > people also speak Gaelic on a regular basis - the accent is much > > softer and often slower. > > Potioncat: > Have you seen 'Driving Lessons'? Rupert Grint's character meets a > young woman in a hotel in Scotland. What sort of accent did she have? > I thought it was rather pleasant sounding. > > The other movie that comes to mind is 'Blow Dry'. Natasha Richardson > and Alan Rickman play a working class ex-couple. Their accent is very > different than the ones the actors usually have. Of course, so is the > part! That one was fun to listen to. Geoff: Having led a very sheltered life, I haven't encountered either of these films. From donnawonna at att.net Tue Aug 12 21:35:44 2008 From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Thank you Message-ID: <48A20230.000005.00832@LIFESAVER> > Donna: > I would like to take a moment to thank you all for the various book recommendations. My wall is plastered with post it notes with titles and authors. Right now, I'm reading the Dresden series and am starting book 5. Before anyone asks, I read just for the fun of reading. An error or inconsistency has to really be major before I will notice it. I just like the stories. Alla: Since you are reading book 5, I am assuming you like the series? Yes? Squeeee. Am very happy. I cannot wait for book 11 :) Donna: Yes, I am enjoying the series. I've placed book 6 and 7 on reserve at the library. I use to be an avid reader many years ago but got away from it while working 2 jobs for years. Then, along came J.K. Rowling and Harry Potter and it all changed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Aug 12 22:17:56 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:17:56 -0000 Subject: More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Geoff: > Having led a very sheltered life, I haven't encountered either of these films. Potioncat: Don't rush out to see them. 'Blow Dry' was a bit...over the top. I enjoyed 'Driving Lessons' because of Julie Walter's acting. I just thought that if you'd seen them, you could give your opinion of accents. From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Aug 12 23:38:51 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:38:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449380A1812B492BADD3383352FA2AB6@FRODO> Hi, On Jim Dale's interpretation of Bellatrix, since the last name was "LeStrange" (which he pronounced as "LeStronj") he gave her and later her sisters French type accents. As I say, Minerva was modeled off of his Scottish aunt. Smiles, Lee :-) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 00:03:50 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:03:50 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" wrote: > > Carol: > > But was it worth seeing, in your view? And, if so, worth seeing for Alan Rickman's performance or for itself? Ali: > Now, I haven't seen the movie itself BUT I can tell you this: if you're going to see the movie for the subject (aka the 1976 US v. France "judgment of Paris"), I would wait for the Judgement of Paris movie coming out later. From what I know of the movie, facts are a little skewed here, so with two movies of the same topic coming out, I'd wait for the second. However, I'm not a big Rickman fan and wouldn't see a (in theaters) just for him, but if you are going to do so, I hear the movie isn't bad and has wonderful scenery shots - it's just that the facts are a little skewed. > > Personally, I'm waiting for the other movie and grabbing Bottle Shock on Netflix. > > ~Ali > Thanks, ali. I'm not interested in the subject at all, only in Rickman's performance. If the rest of the movie is tolerable, I'll watch it. I just don't want to be bored for an hour while I wait for fifteen minutes of Rickman's performance. So a "not bad" movie with great scenery and great (I hope) comic acting from Rickman would be worth seeing in my view. If the subject were, say, fifteenth-century English history, it would bother me that Rickman is thirty years older than the character he's playing. As it is, it's his performance, not the character he's playing or the true story behind the screenplay, that interests me. Of course, I may have a little more trouble adjusting to Dennis Farina in any role other than Lt. Mike Torello in the old "Crime Story" series. (Unlike Rickman and other fine character actors, he doesn't seem able to submerge his own personality in a role.) Carol, who would probably watch a documentary if she wanted the true story of the Judgment of Paris (or, better yet, read about the myth that it's named after) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 01:15:09 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:15:09 -0000 Subject: The Weasley Clock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ali wrote: > > Would a consistency editor get a hold of an English-to-English "translation," though? It seems to me that that's something that either (1) wouldn't get to a consistency editor at all or (2) get to his/her desk but be of low priority. But then, I've never worked in a major publishing house, so I don't know how things get done when you get into the big time. :) Carol responds: I'm not sure what you mean by an English-to-English translation. The only consistency editor I know of with regard to the HP books works for Scholastic, and she would probably be in touch with Bloomsbury about any changes other than the ones required by Scholastic's in-house requirements (and basic copyediting, which was probably done by a different editor), or at least any significant changes. I've never worked specifically as a consistency editor, though of course part of my job as a copyeditor is making sure that spelling, capitalization, terminology, documentation format, and so forth are consistent within a given book. A consistency editor, in contrast, works with books in the same series as opposed to a stand-alone book, making sure that the books are consistent with one another, not only in spelling and capitalization (the editor would have a style sheet to work from so she'd know, for example, whether spells should be capitalized) but in other details, such as the effects of a particular spell (not, IMO, well handled), descriptions of characters (if one book states that Ginny has brown eyes, she shouldn't have gray or blue eyes in another; if one book refers to a character as a Muggle-born, he shouldn't be a Half-Blood in another), and miscellaneous details, such as how long Nearly Headless Nick has been a ghost. (One book says four hundred years, another says five hundred. That particular error was, I think, corrected, with five hundred as the "right" answer, despite the anachronistic Elizabethan ruff and Jacobean plumed hat.) If a character is assigned to the wrong House or the wrong year (as compared with an earlier book), the consistency editor should catch that, too. (Dennis Creevey should not have been at the Hog's Head in OoP, for example, because he was only a second-year.) Scholastic's consistency editor noted that Moaning Myrtle's U-bend had become an S-bend in a later book but let it go, to the annoyance of persnickety readers like me, because both kinds of bends are found in English plumbing. She, or someone, did at least catch the differing descriptions of "identical" Prefect badges that I mentioned earlier, but it was the revised edition of the Bloomsbury PS that was changed, not the (then) new book, OoP. (Possibly JKR liked the red and gold badge better, especially in contrast to the silver Inquisitorial Squad badges.) Anyway, a consistency editor can't catch everything. In the case of, say, the letter in DH not seeming to fit with dates and details of earlier books, the best she can do is query. But if Dumbledore's brother is Aberforth in one book and Alberforth in the next, she needs to catch that error and correct the new version to match the old. Carol, who thinks that the description of the Weasley clock is exactly the sort of thing a consistency editor would look at (ditto for the "identical" Prefect badges, with the word "identical" operating as a red flag) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 01:27:59 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:27:59 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat > > > Mike, if I get a bunch of junk on my computer, you'll be in big trouble! > > > Mike: > Hey, I got this site from Kelley. It's got a lot of fun, weird, and yes raunchy tests. But I've never gotten any spam from them. Carol responds: The Hello Quizzy site seems okay, but OK Cupid seems to think that I've signed up for their online dating site. I *think* I've succeeded in canceling my supposed registration, but if I get any more (nonraunchy messages from 31-year-old men, I'll send them my real photo so they'll run off screaming in terror. Seriously, I'll just try again to cancel my (accidental) registration and block the senders. Was it the wand test or the which wizard would you marry test that did it? Anyone else having this problem? BTW, I hope that no one took my post about being Dumbledore's widow or born in 1895 seriously. I'm not *that* old! Carol, who has an eye exam tomorrow and hopes she doesn't fail it! From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 02:02:58 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:02:58 -0000 Subject: More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > > Have you seen 'Driving Lessons'? Rupert Grint's character meets a young woman in a hotel in Scotland. What sort of accent did she have? I thought it was rather pleasant sounding. > Geoff: > Having led a very sheltered life, I haven't encountered either of these films. Carol responds: If you like either Rupert Grint (Ron in the HP films) or Julie Walters (Molly Weasley), you'll enjoy seeing them together in "Driving Lessons," in which Ron is the sweet and quiet son of a minister (Anglican priest?) and his wife (the wife is a religious fanatic and extremely manipulative, to say no more). They seem to be evangelical Anglicans, if that's not a contradiction in terms. Julie Walters plays a jaded and hard-drinking ex-actress who hires young Ben (Rupert) as a kind of Boy Friday. the fun begins when she asks him to driver her to Edinburgh (I believe), where she's supposed to do a poetry reading, but Ben is still learning how to drive and doesn't have his license. You'll probably hate the depiction of Ben's mother. His father, who seems gentle and devout but would rather be birdwatching than having dinner with his wife (who wouldn't?), is okay. If you don't mind some vulgar humor and a foul-mouthed sixty-something woman, you'll probably enjoy the film, if only for Rupert's innocence and the English/Scottish countryside. (Rupert really didn't have his license yet since he was underage when the movie was filmed; I think he learned to drive along with his character, Ben.) The young woman in the pub, Bryony (who looks at least ten years older than Rupert), is played by Michelle Duncan, who is definitely Scottish (and born in 1978--a bit scary for Rupert--or his character, Ben): http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0242050/ They were also in a Scottish bar. How would you describe that music, Potioncat? Hard rock(?) and bagpipes? (I have a hard time distinguishing post-seventies rock categories from one another.) You can see photos and a couple of video clips from the film here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446687/maindetails Anyway, Geoff, the trailer will give you a really good indication of what the movie is like and give you a glimpse of the girl (woman, I should say) in the pub. I don't want to say more for fear of spoiling it. Carol, who, as usual, had trouble understanding some of the dialogue but enjoyed the film, anyway From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Aug 13 02:04:44 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:04:44 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol responds: > > The Hello Quizzy site seems okay, but OK Cupid seems to think that > I've signed up for their online dating site. I *think* I've succeeded > in canceling my supposed registration, but if I get any more > (nonraunchy messages from 31-year-old men, I'll send them my real > photo so they'll run off screaming in terror. Seriously, I'll just try > again to cancel my (accidental) registration and block the senders. Potioncat: I thought I had registered for one of the tests, then had to register again with a LOT of information to take the second test. Yes, I think it was the wand test. I kept wondering what a dating service had to do with wands. But I un-subscribed as soon as I'd taken the test. That sort of thing is fun, (taking silly tests, not looking for dates.) but the last thing I need for one of my kids---or my husband---to think I've been visiting a dating service site!!!!!! LOL From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Aug 13 02:18:38 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:18:38 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: > Thanks, ali. I'm not interested in the subject at all, only in > Rickman's performance. If the rest of the movie is tolerable, I'll > watch it. I just don't want to be bored for an hour while I wait for > fifteen minutes of Rickman's performance. So a "not bad" movie with > great scenery and great (I hope) comic acting from Rickman would be > worth seeing in my view. Potioncat: I thought you were a Snape fan, not a Rickman fan. He has a good amount of screen time in this movie. There are 3 or 4 story lines running through the film and his character touches on a couple. It sounds like you're interested enough that seeing it in the theater would be worth while. 'Bottle Shock' is playing in one theater in our area. It's an older theater, 4 movies at once. And the over-all crowd was considerably different than what we usually see in the mega-multi-plexes in our area. For an industry that appeals to the younger set, this theater's clientele was fairly gray. Another movie was 'Brideshead Revisited' and I didn't notice the other 2. So to a certain extent the movie- going experience was worth it. I'm guessing it may be similar everywhere. The music was fun, the scenary was gorgeous. And one of the trailers was for 'Noble Son' another Rickman movie. That one looks good! Very snarky Rickman. >Carol: > If the subject were, say, fifteenth-century English history, it would > bother me that Rickman is thirty years older than the character he's > playing. Potioncat: He addressed that in one of the interviews I've seen or read. But for the movie's plot, his character's age was unimportant. Not like HP, for instance. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 02:36:45 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:36:45 -0000 Subject: No spoilers Re: Alan Rickman's new movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > I thought you were a Snape fan, not a Rickman fan. Carol: Well, I'm a Book!Snape fan first and foremost, but Rickman!Snape is so sexy/sinister, such a pleasure to watch and listen to, and yet has so little screen time for a character of such importance that I find myself compensating by watching more Alan Rickman. And I admire actors who can lose themselves in a role instead of always playing themselves. Potioncat: > He has a good amount of screen time in this movie. There are 3 or 4 story lines running through the film and his character touches on a couple. It sounds like you're interested enough that seeing it in the theater would be worth while. For an industry that appeals to the younger set, this theater's > clientele was fairly gray. > > The music was fun, the scenary was gorgeous. And one of the trailers was for 'Noble Son' another Rickman movie. That one looks good! Very snarky Rickman. > Carol earlier: > > If the subject were, say, fifteenth-century English history, it would bother me that Rickman is thirty years older than the character he's playing. > Potioncat: > He addressed that in one of the interviews I've seen or read. But for the movie's plot, his character's age was unimportant. Not like HP, for instance. Carol: I think I read (or saw) the same interview (the video interview was highly entertaining, if you haven't seen it yet, and touches lightly on Snape). I was actually thinking of Ian McKellen playing Richard III. As if Shekespeare's play weren't sufficiently unhistorical, they change the setting to an imagined Fascist Britain in the 1930s and have an actor in his mid-fifties playing a man who died at thirty-two. Carol, signing off to watch the female Olympic gymnasts, especially the thirty-three-year-old fifth-timer From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Wed Aug 13 06:38:37 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:38:37 -0000 Subject: More accents (was McGonagall's accent was Re: SS/PS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Potioncat: > > > Have you seen 'Driving Lessons'? Rupert Grint's character meets a > young woman in a hotel in Scotland. What sort of accent did she have? > I thought it was rather pleasant sounding. > > > > Geoff: > > Having led a very sheltered life, I haven't encountered either of > these films. > > Carol responds: > If you like either Rupert Grint (Ron in the HP films) or Julie Walters > (Molly Weasley), you'll enjoy seeing them together in "Driving > Lessons," in which Ron is the sweet and quiet son of a minister > (Anglican priest?) and his wife (the wife is a religious fanatic and > extremely manipulative, to say no more). They seem to be evangelical > Anglicans, if that's not a contradiction in terms. Geoff: I read a synopsis when it same out. Since I live 30 miles form the nearest Multiplex and the nearest cinema is 10 miles away, I don't go very often. the little cinema is delightful. It is a converted church(!) seating about 70 and is in a bit of a time warp in some ways. The big films tend to get there late. I'm still waiting for "Prince Caspian". Changing topics, evangelical Anglican is certainly not a contradiction in terms. I know a lot of folk who fit that category; I've even met an evangelical Catholic which seems even more way out. From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Wed Aug 13 10:04:38 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:04:38 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Harry Potter Husband Test Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:31:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justcarol67 at yahoo.com writes: Sandy: > > Ohmigod! Knock me over with a feather - I am Mrs. Snape!! Tied for second were Lupin and Dumbledore. > > Sandy, who apologizes to Carol. Carol: Not a problem. Can you link us to your results so we can see his picture? Carol, wondering who Sandy expected her "husband" to be Sandy: Okay, first things first, here is the link. _http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the-harry-potter-husband-test/?fromCGI=1&v ar_Lupinity=14&var_Snapesquity=22&var_Harryness=12&var_Ronness=14&var_Lockhart iness=-6&var_Dumbledority=14&var_Dudleyness=-5&var_Siriusness=9&var_Mad%252dEy e%252dosity=16&var_Nevillity=17&var_Jamesiness=5&var_Billiness=4&var_Twinsosit y=3_ (http://www.helloquizzy.com/results/the-harry-potter-husband-test/?fromCGI=1&var_Lupinity=14&var_Snapesquity=22&var_Harryness=12&var_Ronness=14&var_Loc khartiness=-6&var_Dumbledority=14&var_Dudleyness=-5&var_Siriusness=9&var_Mad%2 dEye%2dosity=16&var_Nevillity=17&var_Jamesiness=5&var_Billiness=4&var_Twinsosi ty=3) Sorry, I wasn't paying much attention when you all were discussing the tiny url thing, but this is a direct link and it does work. I did a test run by sending it to myself first. I don't really know who I expected my "husband" to be. I answered the questions to the best of my ability; not the easiest thing to do since I hate multiple choice questions. I was rather hoping for Harry although I had a feeling it wouldn't be him. The thing is, just like I tied for Lupin and Dumbledore second, I tied for Snape and Neville first, but they named me Mrs. Snape. Now how you can tie with Snape and Neville is beyond me to know, but I think Neville would be more my speed - that is if he were 20 years older and I 30 years younger. Mrs. Snape was the last thing I was expecting. But the picture is cool. Sandy, thinking Carol will like the picture. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Wed Aug 13 10:21:49 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:21:49 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Thank you Message-ID: In a message dated 8/9/2008 11:43:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com writes: Alla: Since you are reading book 5, I am assuming you like the series? Yes? Squeeee. Am very happy. I cannot wait for book 11 :) Sandy: When does book 11 come out, Alla? Didn't he just release book 10? I just got book 10 last month. Sandy, also a Dresden Files fan. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 15:35:48 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:35:48 -0000 Subject: Thank you/ Dresden files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sandy: > > When does book 11 come out, Alla? Didn't he just release book 10? I just got > book 10 last month. > > Sandy, also a Dresden Files fan. > Alla: Yes he released Small Favor in April this year and Turn coat is supposed to come in April next year. It does make me scared that he is talking about twenty twenty three books for the series, I am afraid that just as so many writers did on their twenty something novel, he is going to start publish a repetitive crap, but so far the books IMO only getting better, it feels like he has enough material to publish even if it so fast. Oh, oh and there is a novelette called Back up from Thomas' POV ( on whom I have a huge crush :)) coming up in October of this year. SQUEEEE. Thomas narrates. From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 03:13:26 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:13:26 -0000 Subject: Big Birthday bash coming tomorrow Message-ID: The Birthday Elf has been out of town and just returned home. Just a head's up that you should all prepare for a grand party tomorrow, as I'll be catching up on the celebrating that should have happened while I was away. Mary Ann, that includes you. I've been trying to land Alan Rickman as party entertainment but so far have not been successful. Maybe by tomorrow... Sheryll the Birthday Elf, exhausted but home in one piece :) From tonks_op at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 22:21:05 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:21:05 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fuzzlebub85" wrote: > ~Kaylee > > (aka Kaylee Tonks-Lupin, First Mate of Captain Amber's SWAK DEAD and > Shipmate to Captain Sue of the DRIBBLE SHADOWS. Where are my > Captains, still out there? I do miss Theory Bay...) Tonks here: Hey Kaylee!! Don't forget the HMS DESIRE is still saling too! You were one of the crew there too. I took the test at cupid.com that someone had the link for here. You have to uncheck the box before you do the test or they will send you junk mail. These are my results: Wand: 12 inches. Holly and Dragon Heart String Tonks_op From fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 22:47:59 2008 From: fuzzlebub85 at comcast.net (fuzzlebub85) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:47:59 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Wand Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "fuzzlebub85" > wrote: > > ~Kaylee > > > > (aka Kaylee Tonks-Lupin, First Mate of Captain Amber's SWAK DEAD > and > > Shipmate to Captain Sue of the DRIBBLE SHADOWS. Where are my > > Captains, still out there? I do miss Theory Bay...) > > > Tonks here: > > Hey Kaylee!! Don't forget the HMS DESIRE is still saling too! You > were one of the crew there too. > > I took the test at cupid.com that someone had the link for here. You > have to uncheck the box before you do the test or they will send you > junk mail. These are my results: > > Wand: 12 inches. Holly and Dragon Heart String > > Tonks_op Kaylee now: Oh...yes. *looks at Mum Tonks in embarrassment* How could I forget? So where ARE my Captains and shipmates anyway? I miss the place! I wish we could have Theory Bay over here...maybe to explore theories about what happened between DH and its Epilogue, or something? then we'd have lots of questions for JKR, lol. ~Kaylee > From tonks_op at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 22:56:49 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:56:49 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > I had to laugh when I saw this. Especially after a recent few comments > with Tonks_op about her erstwhile AU marriage to Dumbledore. (Though, > sadly, I think Tonks_op has given up on that matching :sniffle:) > > But then I thought there might be a few people here that would like to > try it. So what the hey, here's the link: > > http://helloquizzy.okcupid.com/tests/the-harry-potter-husband-test/ Tonks: I told you so!!! Here is my results: Mrs. DUMBLEDORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------ Your result for The Harry Potter Husband Test ... Mrs. Dumbledore Your perfect HP man is Albus Dumbledore. You like 'em powerful and brilliant. And why not? A guy like this, you can have intelligent conversation with, laugh with, and you know he can protect you. Sure, he may have a weakness for power, but he's got that under control. And sure, he let his sister die, but he learned from that. And sure, he harbors a secret, forbidden love for a man widely known to be his mortal enemy, but...well, no, that's actually a pretty big obstacle. Good luck with that. ------------------------ After all that was in his youth. He was going through a phase. That is normal.. well for 12 year olds.. so he was a little slow... I am sure that now he could be interested in a woman.. maybe not just ANY woman.. but I am his perfect match!!!! Oh.. one little problem with that... he is dead. Oh... wait..................... so am I!!! Albus... where are you?????? U-hooo..... Albus??? Tonks_op ;-) From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 02:42:51 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Birthday Wishes x 3! Message-ID: <985420.13395.qm@web63401.mail.re1.yahoo.com> *scurries around, hanging streamers, blowing balloons and straightening life-sized pictures of Alan Rickman* Sorry, ladies, pictures are the best I could do. The man himself refused to have anything to do with this party. Said something about us being loud, rowdy and disreputable. Birthday honourees for the past few days have been Tiffany, Witherwing and Mary Ann. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to Tiffany at: minnesotatiffany at hotmail.com, to Witherwing at: witherwing at sbcglobal.net and to Mary Ann at: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk Nibblies and beverages of choice are on the tables to the side, cakes have been cut and plated. For good measure there's a huge pile of eclairs there as well. Mary Ann, not sure how your days are going lately but there's vodka for the cornflakes, if needed. :D Okay, let's turn up the music and have some fun! I hope all of you had marvelous days, filled with good friends, good food and good times. Happy Birthday, Tiffany! Happy Birthday, Witherwing! Happy Birthday, Mary Ann! Sheryll the Birthday Elf, hoping the other honourees don't mind the Alan Rickman theme that I know Mary Ann enjoys :) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 05:47:29 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:47:29 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. Message-ID: Those *^^%*#%@) Muggles!!! I just hate them. Some of you who know who I really am might be able to figure out why. At least we will have the book and some press about that which might be good for the Holidays. I have never been too fond of WB... long story. Not as bad a story for us as it has been for some others.. but still a long story.. Here is a link. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_en_mo/film_harry_potter People do not get as excited about 'things' when the movie is released in the summer. Where is my wand... better yet I met some Death Eaters in Chicago.. maybe I can just make a deal with them to pay some of these *&(^^%$$ Muggles at WB a visit. An auror can be on vaction.. huh?? want Muggle attack??... know nothing about it!! Tonks_op (who will be living in a tent soon.) ;-( From kempermentor at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 06:39:59 2008 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:39:59 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Tonks: > Those *^^%*#%@) Muggles!!! Kemper: Not sure if this will result in anything but... Here's a petition to be sent to WBholes... with the hope that the signers will be legion. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/harrypotter6 Kemper From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:09:09 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:09:09 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" wrote: > > > Tonks: > > Those *^^%*#%@) Muggles!!! > > Kemper: > Not sure if this will result in anything but... > Here's a petition to be sent to WBholes... with the hope that the > signers will be legion. > > http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/harrypotter6 > Tonks_op Thanks. I signed it. As you say, it will probably not do any good. Sometimes I wonder where the people at WB have their heads. Oh.. wait... I think I know.... Tonks_op From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 07:29:34 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:29:34 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am starting to ponder why WB is doing this. An auror needs to know. Here are some possibilites: 1. there is another WB movie at the same time and they don't want to take away $$ from that. 2. something is amiss in the pipeline for the merchandise associated with the movie. Maybe they are slowed down in China because of the Olympic games?? Otherwise WB is shooting itself in the foot, because when there is a movie at the Holidays people buy the stuff to give for the Holidays and they don't do that as much in the summer. 3. there is just some fool in charge of this whole thing. Any other ideas??? Tonks_op From donnawonna at att.net Fri Aug 15 11:56:20 2008 From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:56:20 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Half-Blood Prince Movie Message-ID: <48A56EE4.000003.02076@LIFESAVER> Donna: I saw in this morning's newspaper that the Half-Blood Prince Movie release date has been changed to July 17, 2009. Those in power want a summer release date. I'm not overly happy about the change. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 18:07:55 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:07:55 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" wrote: > I am starting to ponder why WB is doing this. An auror needs to know. zanooda: I already said it yesterday on the movie list, and I'll say it again: they've just finished the script for the 7th movie, and maybe it turned out there are plot holes that they need to cover - something doesn't add up, so they need to change something in the 6th movie to fix this. Maybe they want to add some scenes (I'm hoping for the Gaunts :-)). OTOH, inconsistencies never stopped them from releasing HP movies before, so I'm not really sure - maybe it's what they said, and they just like summer releases better :-). But, like someone on the movie list said, there will be less time lapse between HBP movie and DH movie, which is good :-). From juli17 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 19:10:20 2008 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:10:20 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Digest Number 3302 In-Reply-To: <1218788278.832.97008.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1218788278.832.97008.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <8CACD21B22418B8-8A0-25FA@FWM-D17.sysops.aol.com> I am starting to ponder why WB is doing this. An auror needs to know. Here are some possibilites: 1. there is another WB movie at the same time and they don't want to take away $$ from that. 2. something is amiss in the pipeline for the merchandise associated with the movie. Maybe they are slowed down in China because of the Olympic games?? Otherwise WB is shooting itself in the foot, because when there is a movie at the Holidays people buy the stuff to give for the Holidays and they don't do that as much in the summer. 3. there is just some fool in charge of this whole thing. Any other ideas??? Tonks_op Julie: 4. Warner Bros is making a great profit this year, especially with its megamegahit, Dark Knight, and the guaranteed blockbuster bucks from Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince would just be extra icing. So why not hold over Harry Potter until next year, a more uncertain year in terms of profit (partly though not completely because of the writer's strike), and be assured of a strong moneymaker for the all-important 2009 summer season? Why not indeed. It is all about money, and every studio?needs a great profit *every* year to satisfy their stockholders. If they can manage it by rescheduling sure hits, they certainly aren't going to hesitate to do so. And they didn't hesitate. (They also know they aren't going to lose their built-in audience, no matter how irritated that audience may be by an?eight month delay.) Julie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From donnawonna at att.net Fri Aug 15 20:58:04 2008 From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:58:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: Word Search Puzzles Message-ID: <48A5EDDC.000005.02504@LIFESAVER> Donna: For those of you that like word search puzzles, go to http://www.searchpuzzles.com/ They offer printable word search puzzles on many subjects. Nine of the offered puzzles are Harry Potter related. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From macboysmom at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 11:30:37 2008 From: macboysmom at comcast.net (Leeann J McCullough) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:30:37 -0400 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Movie Message-ID: <007201c8ff93$8186ce30$0601a8c0@LEEANNSLAPTOP> Donna: I saw in this morning's newspaper that the Half-Blood Prince Movie release date has been changed to July 17, 2009. Those in power want a summer release date. I'm not overly happy about the change. Leeann now: Suits me, now I can go to the midnight show!!! I can't when it comes out during the school year. Have to get 3 kids and hubby out the door at 7am September thru June!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 20:46:31 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:46:31 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sandy, thinking Carol will like the picture. Carol: Well, sort of. But I'd rather see an inscrutable or snarky expression than a mean one. Also, and this is silly, I was expecting him to be dressed like the young Dumbledore, that is, shirtless. But, then, he'd look like a DE because he wouldn't be able to hide the Dark Mark. I suppose the robes are more in character--as they also would have been for Dumbledore. (Different artists, possibly?) Carol, rather sidetracked by the Olympics at the moment and wondering why no one is discussing them From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:01:00 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:01:00 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: zanooda: > > I already said it yesterday on the movie list, and I'll say it again: they've just finished the script for the 7th movie, and maybe it turned out there are plot holes that they need to cover - something doesn't add up, so they need to change something in the 6th movie to fix this. Maybe they want to add some scenes (I'm hoping for the Gaunts :-)). > > OTOH, inconsistencies never stopped them from releasing HP movies before, so I'm not really sure - maybe it's what they said, and they just like summer releases better :-). But, like someone on the movie list said, there will be less time lapse between HBP movie and DH movie, which is good :-). > Carol: As I understand it, it's a simple matter of aiming at a target audience of kids who will be in school in November but out of school (and in need of entertainment) over the summer holidays. Carol, who is disappointed but not up in arms From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:23:19 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Belated Happy Birthday, Cathy! Message-ID: <33862.81873.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> *finishes tidying up after the last big birthday bash and starts fresh with brightly coloured streamers and balloons* That looks much better! Shhh, I know I seem to be lagging just a bit behind on things since I got back. Vacations do that to you, ya know. Pull up the comfy chairs, turn up the music and help yourself to the refreshments - there's a party to get started. Yesterday's birthday honouree was Cathy. Belated birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: YasminOaks at aol.com Hey, don't fill up too much on the nibblies, there's still this (*produces a towering cake covered in multi-coloured sprinkles*) to dig into. After the birthday girl gets her share, of course! I hope your day was magical and brought everything you wished for. Happy Birthday, Cathy! Sheryll the Birthday Elf __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ From catlady at wicca.net Sat Aug 16 21:47:27 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:47:27 -0000 Subject: Sorting hat / Nick's Death date / Husband quiz pictures / Olympics Message-ID: Carol wrote in : << I tried their Sorting Hat, version 2, which gives you only two choices per question, many of them that I couldn't really answer as neither choice applied. >> I did the old version. I glanced over the new version and it appeared to have the same questions with the same two answers. I agree that I often don't know which of the two answers applies most (dis-applies least) to me. So I did the test many times, varying some answers on mood or whim or curiosity. But I loved the questions/answers because many of them could be discussed for hours. First, what does it mean. Maybe then, how does that reflect personality. Would anyone be interested if I posted the questions and answers here in OT? << BTW, you have to give your last name. I gave my maiden name, just in case someone is trawling the Net looking for me. >> I tell it my first name is Catlady and my last name is De Los Angeles. One time it told me: "I remember your uncle, Oscar De Los Angeles - unfortunately". That was the old version and I don't know if the new version is different. Carol wrote in : << how long Nearly Headless Nick has been a ghost. (One book says four hundred years, another says five hundred. That particular error was, I think, corrected, with five hundred as the "right" answer, despite the anachronistic Elizabethan ruff and Jacobean plumed hat.) >> Yes, it should have been 400 to match the fashions. But PS/SS only said 'four hundred years' once, and CoS had 'five hundredth deathday' and the cake's inscription 'Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington died 31st October, 1492'. Two to one, and the cake inscription might be weighted heavier because of being an exact date. In Britain, probably NOT weighted heavier because 1492 is when Columbus 'discovered America'. Are there reference's to Sir Nick's 'age' in later books? Carol wrote in : << Can you link us to your results so we can see his picture? >> Thanks to Sandy for linking to her results in , I was able to figure out how to see all the guys: Lupin Snape The other magic words are Harryness Ronness Lockhartiness Dumbledority Dudleyness Siriusness Nevillity Jamesiness Billiness Twinsosity I can't get Mad-Eye to work. The Dumbledore pic is the weirdest. (The only half-naked one, Carol.) The kids (Harry, Ron, Neville) are portrayed when over 18, The Neville pic isn't round-faced. Carol wrote in : << (Different artists, possibly?) >> IIRC the quizmeister stated on his front page that he had stolen the art from various fan art sites. << rather sidetracked by the Olympics at the moment and wondering why no one is discussing them >> I'm not particularly interested in sports or television, but the other morning the announcer of the radio news mentioned some swimmer had won the 'individual relay'. That sounds like an oxymoron to me, isn't in , and Tim (who was on swim team in high school, where he once won one point for his team) says he never heard of it. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sat Aug 16 23:06:14 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:06:14 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: Carol: > As I understand it, it's a simple matter of aiming at a target > audience of kids who will be in school in November but out of school > (and in need of entertainment) over the summer holidays. > Carol, who is disappointed but not up in arms Geoff: Yes, but they announced the date of release about a year ago and they've recently released the first trailer so why the heck didn't they think of this one at the time? Strikes me that someone at Warner needs a bucket of water thrown over them - or a kick up the backside - to wake them up. As the English saying goes "It seems they couldn't organise a booze-up in a brewery". From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 23:32:33 2008 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:32:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Geoff: > Yes, but they announced the date of release about a year ago > and they've recently released the first trailer so why the heck didn't > they think of this one at the time? Easy enough: writers' strike then the SAG talks pretty much stalled Hollywood in a big way, especially during the SAG talks when projects weren't being greenlighted. That means that, from a business perspective, you push back your projects where you're certain of the core audience to ensure that you don't hit a 3rd quarter slump next year (I think 2nd quarter ... films take about a year to finish usually and that's a little less than a year from when the SAG talks happened). As a pure guess, I'm also guessing that pushing back the movie release, making it a shorter time span between the last few movies, will help with momentum for the impending theme park. And I'm pretty certain there's an article somewhere that I can back me up (at least on the point about the strikes) ... let me go check the BBC website. ~Ali From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Aug 16 23:41:49 2008 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:41:49 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:Half-Blood Prince Movie In-Reply-To: <007201c8ff93$8186ce30$0601a8c0@LEEANNSLAPTOP> References: <007201c8ff93$8186ce30$0601a8c0@LEEANNSLAPTOP> Message-ID: [Leeann]: | Suits me, now I can go to the midnight show!!! | | I can't when it comes out during the school year. Have to get | 3 kids and hubby out the door at 7am September thru June!!! [Lee]: It's also a lot easier to go in costume. I do have a purple velvet cape, but with the unpredictability of November weather, wouldn't want to chance using it. No, summer is better for a Dress Visit. Cheers, Lee :-) From tonks_op at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 23:56:43 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:56:43 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" wrote: That means that, from a business perspective, you push back your projects where you're certain of the > core audience to ensure that you don't hit a 3rd quarter slump next > year (I think 2nd quarter ... films take about a year to finish > usually and that's a little less than a year from when the SAG talks > happened). As a pure guess, I'm also guessing that pushing back the movie release, making it a shorter time span between the last few > movies, will help with momentum for the impending theme park. Tonks: Hum... But it messes up the Holiday trade for the 4th quarter of this year for everyone, including WB. Movies during the Holiday shopping period is a big thing and WB plans the movies then for that reason. I checked with Scholastic and they do not have any merchandise, like coloring books, movie poster books, etc. for the movie and they would have had them now if the movie was planned for November. Makes me wonder how long WB KNEW that they were not going to release the movie this year. I think there is a Death Eater working for them. Like I said before, I hate WB!!! A dragon-pox upon them!! Tonks_op From tonks_op at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:01:00 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:01:00 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" wrote: > [Lee]: > It's also a lot easier to go in costume. I do have a purple velvet cape, but with the unpredictability of November weather, wouldn't want to chance using it. No, summer is better for a Dress Visit. Tonks: I tried that last time. And all of these teenagers you would think that they would really get into it enough to dress up. But there was only a small number of us that dressed up. I live in an Muggle infested area with Muggles who have no imagination and don't know how to have fun. So going at midnight is not any fun here. Boring Muggles!!! But the Chicago HP Terminus convention was fun!!! Tonks_op From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 03:39:55 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:39:55 -0000 Subject: Sorting hat / Nick's Death date / Husband quiz pictures / Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Catlady wrote: > I'm not particularly interested in sports or television, but the other > morning the announcer of the radio news mentioned some swimmer had won > the 'individual relay'. That sounds like an oxymoron to me, isn't in > , and Tim (who was on swim team in high > school, where he once won one point for his team) says he never heard > of it. > Carol responds: it was probably "individual medley," meaning that the stroke the swimmers are using changes with each 100 meters (two laps) of the pool. I'm not an expert, so I may get the order or the strokes wrong, but I think the strokes are breaststroke, backstroke, butterfly, and freestyle. There's also a medldy relay (tonight, the big one, with Michael Phelps's chance for, I think, an eighth gold medal in this Olympics) features the same four strokes but four different swimmers for each team (one per stroke). I'm actually most interested in the women's gymnastics, particularly the brave thirty-three-year-old that I haven't seen perform yet. Carol, who'll happily accept correction for someone more expert in swimming and sports in general From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 03:57:45 2008 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:57:45 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Sorting hat / Nick's Death date / Husband quiz pictures / Olympics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Carol: > it was probably "individual medley," meaning that the stroke the > swimmers are using changes with each 100 meters (two laps) of the > pool. I'm not an expert, so I may get the order or the strokes wrong, > but I think the strokes are breaststroke, backstroke, butterfly, and > freestyle. There's also a medldy relay (tonight, the big one, with > Michael Phelps's chance for, I think, an eighth gold medal in this > Olympics) features the same four strokes but four different swimmers > for each team (one per stroke). Ali: Yuppers. That's the individual medley, and yes, that's the correct stroke order. I guess everyone is getting into this Olympics reporting thing if things like "individual relay" is appearing. Phelps is indeed going for his 8th gold medal (and hopefully also in record breaking fashion) tonight, and it's going to be a whopper if he gets it since he'll probably have the title of "greatest Olympian of all time" follow him until someone breaks that record (which sounds humanly impossible). Carol: > I'm actually most interested in the women's gymnastics, particularly > the brave thirty-three-year-old that I haven't seen perform yet. Ali: Bah. Oksana Chusovitina (qualifying in individual vault if you want to watch for her) is pretty good, but if I want inspirational, Dara Torres is where that's at. She's going for her, I believe, 11th medal (and first individual) in this Olympics, and she's 41 yrs old (with the cutest little daughter ever). Carol, if you like gymnastics, you might like trampoline, though the US stinks the big one and the Chinese will probably take gold here like they've been sweeping diving. Now excuse me. The DVR is calling. Phelps may have already won that last medal and broken yet another record without me being there to watch ... OH NOES! :) ~Ali, obsessively following the Olympics since before birth From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 10:07:59 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:07:59 -0000 Subject: I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol: > > As I understand it, it's a simple matter of aiming at a target > audience of kids who will be in school in November but out of school > (and in need of entertainment) over the summer holidays. > > Carol, who is disappointed but not up in arms > Geoff: > Yes, but they announced the date of release about a year ago > and they've recently released the first trailer so why the heck > didn't they think of this one at the time? > > Strikes me that someone at Warner needs a bucket of water thrown > over them - or a kick up the backside - to wake them up. As the > English saying goes "It seems they couldn't organise a booze-up > in a brewery". Jen: Yes please, I like your plan Geoff. I'm so disappointed! Even telling myself the wait between HBP & DH1 won't be as long doesn't make me feel better because who says WB won't do this again if they think they can eek out more profits from the franchise? Bother. We saw Clone Wars on Friday & they showed the teaser trailer with the Nov. release date on it. Don't know if that means they pulled the regular trailer & subbed out at the last minute or they never intended to show the full trailer in the first place as was rumored. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 10:31:21 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:31:21 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test & Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Sandy, thinking Carol will like the picture. > Carol: > > Well, sort of. But I'd rather see an inscrutable or snarky expression > than a mean one. Also, and this is silly, I was expecting him to be > dressed like the young Dumbledore, that is, shirtless. But, then, he'd > look like a DE because he wouldn't be able to hide the Dark Mark. I > suppose the robes are more in character--as they also would have been > for Dumbledore. (Different artists, possibly?) Jen: That was just plain, old, regular Snape! I thought it would be *young* Snape. Yes, shirtless. > Carol, rather sidetracked by the Olympics at the moment and wondering > why no one is discussing them Jen: We're hooked on the Olympics too. So far we've watched swimming, including Michael Phelps winning most of his golds, gymnastics, soccer, b-ball and some of the more obscure events on weekend days, like trampoline & water polo (that one's pretty rough from the looks of it). I keep missing diving though, or is it not on yet? I'm reaching the end of my fave events as track & field don't interest me as much. And three of those Chinese women gymnasts did *not* look 16 unless they're undernourished, which is a much more upsetting problem than phony passports.... From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Aug 17 12:33:37 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:33:37 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test & Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Jen: We're hooked on the Olympics too. So far we've watched swimming, > including Michael Phelps winning most of his golds, gymnastics, soccer, > b-ball and some of the more obscure events on weekend days, like > trampoline & water polo (that one's pretty rough from the looks of > it). I keep missing diving though, or is it not on yet? I'm reaching > the end of my fave events as track & field don't interest me as much. Potioncat: It seems every time I turn to the Olympics, it's swimming. It's as if there aren't any other sports! (Just coincidence, I know.) I did a lot of grumbling about the women's beach volleyball cough! uniforms!cough. Yeah, I know. They look like girls on the beach. It does distract from any thoughts of their being atheletes. My son called to me that men's beach volleyball was on. "Great! I can see well built men in tight speedoes!" I called back, and hurried in to see men in loose fitting shirts and standard shorts. Life just ain't fair! We've watched gymnastics because my son does Special Olympics gymnastics. One of the Americans fell off the balance beam,and also made a mistake in the floor exercise. We were both angry at the network for showing every possible view of the falls, in every possible special effect over and over. Then in zooming in to her face for as long as possible every time they could as she watched her team mates. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 17 17:41:10 2008 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 17 Aug 2008 17:41:10 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 8/17/2008, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1218994870.9.38563.m57@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday August 17, 2008 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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So far we've watched swimming, > including Michael Phelps winning most of his golds, gymnastics, soccer, > b-ball and some of the more obscure events on weekend days, like > trampoline & water polo (that one's pretty rough from the looks of > it). I keep missing diving though, or is it not on yet? I'm reaching > the end of my fave events as track & field don't interest me as much. > > And three of those Chinese women gymnasts did *not* look 16 unless > they're undernourished, which is a much more upsetting problem than > phony passports.... > Alla: My friends at work think Michael Phelps is half fish, lol. OMG the guy is amazing, truly phenomenal athlete. But I don't know about the age of Chinese gimnasts, really. Asian kids and teens DO look much younger than european or american girls of the same age will look, it is true. I know a girl of chinese decent who was to be fourteen this year ( I have not seen her for probably seven months). When I met her for the first time maybe year and a half ago, I thought child was seven. I kid you not. And if the girls are under age, which is of course against the rules and they should be punished somehow, I think it makes it doubly embarassing that they beat our team. Often ( not you dear!!!) people say that chinese are under age that somehow makes the loss understandable. I mean, I agree that judges would give every possible questionable deduction in favor of chinese and will deduct points from our girls where they would deduct nothing from chinese, but I do not see how under age factor alone will influence the win so much. I was so screaming on TV when it was individual all around and Chinese girl did not lose much after she had to check her balance several times and Nastia and Shawm got points docked for much smaller mistakes. Of course it is all in my eye and I am so not a gymnast HAHA, and maybe I am way off base, but I do believe that judges were extremely biased and THAT contributed to Chinese victory as well. Having said that of course those are amazing teams and my accusations of biase only relate to small margins if that makes sense. I mean if the teams are not almost equal, no matter how biased judges are, they cannot make much weaker team win IMO. Alla From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Aug 17 22:10:57 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:10:57 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test & Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: Carol, rather sidetracked by the Olympics at the moment and wondering > > why no one is discussing them Geoff: You're obviously not in the UK. We've gone even more Olympics mad since yesterday. We're third - yes third - in the medals table and have got 11 gold medals which is the highest number of golds since 1920 and we have got 8 of these in the last 48 hours. What is particularly pleasing is that one of our women swimmers has grabbed two gold medals - the first woman to ge a swimming medal since 1960. It's nice to know that there are people outside the US and Australia who can actually swim. It phelps to encourage us. :-) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:26:12 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:26:12 -0000 Subject: Sorting hat / Nick's Death date / Husband quiz pictures / Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ali: > Yuppers. That's the individual medley, and yes, that's the correct > stroke order. I guess everyone is getting into this Olympics > reporting thing if things like "individual relay" is appearing. Carol: And I'm transforming into a sports fan if I got it right, the greatest miracle of all time. seirously, though, I like both the Olympics and the commentators, who help people like me distinguish among the different events and scoring systems and even identify specific athletes. > > Phelps is indeed going for his 8th gold medal (and hopefully also in record breaking fashion) tonight, and it's going to be a whopper if he gets it since he'll probably have the title of "greatest Olympian of all time" follow him until someone breaks that record (which sounds humanly impossible). carol: I'm actually a bit tired of Michael Phelps. (I keep calling him Mark Spitz, which I suppose shows my age.) I was more excited when Rebecca Addington finally broke Janet Evans's 1989 world record for women's freestyle. > > Carol: > > I'm actually most interested in the women's gymnastics, particularly the brave thirty-three-year-old that I haven't seen perform yet. > > Ali: > Bah. Oksana Chusovitina (qualifying in individual vault if you want to watch for her) is pretty good, but if I want inspirational, Dara Torres is where that's at. She's going for her, I believe, 11th medal (and first individual) in this Olympics, and she's 41 yrs old (with the cutest little daughter ever). Carol: I'm interested in Oksana and her personal story (the son with Leukemia, etc.), and, much as I like and admire Dara Torres, who is probably my favorite athlete at this Olympics, I think it's more of a challenge for a thirty-three-year-old woman to compete with teenage gymnasts than for a forty-one-year-old to swim in a mixed field of swimmers ranging from sixteen to mid=thirties. The sad thing about women's gymnastics is that you're a veteran at twenty and "old" by twenty-four, so to come back at thirty-three (to almost certain defeat) is, IMO, extremely brave and admirable. Oksana's story is interesting reegardless of how well she performs. Which is not to say that Dara Torres's story isn't interesting (and if you like the look of muscular female bodies, hers is amazing), but she wasn't risking the loss of her child because of an inadequate medical system, just coming back to swimming after having a child. Both stories are inspirational in their own way. That's what I like about the Olympics. The athletes, regardless of how many medals they earn or what color the medal, are presented as individual human beings that we can care about and root for (or feel compassion for, in some cases). Ali: > Carol, if you like gymnastics, you might like trampoline, though the US stinks the big one and the Chinese will probably take gold here like they've been sweeping diving. Carol: I watched a little of it. One chinese man was particularly good. But it didn't grab me the way gymnastics does, with its combination of danger and grace (at least for the women). With the men's all-around, it was more like an endurance contest--six events instead of four. I'm looking forward to the women's vault competition tonight. They won't focus on Oksana--it'sll be all about the U.S. and China, probably--but they should at least show her. I used to like to watch Svetlana Boginskaya, the Belarusian Swan. Before your time, I guess. Carol, who unfortunately doesn't have a DVR or even a VCR at the moment and just has to watch whatever NBC is covering at the moment From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:29:50 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:29:50 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is an idea taken from the HP Movie group. Let's face it, we are all going to see the movie, and Warner is counting on that. But we don't have to see it the first weekend. WB and other studios set great store by the opening weekend box office, and if it is a disappointment, I think heart medication will be flowing like wine in the WB board room. They will think they killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And I say, let them sweat; good for them. Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we can do. Steve/bluewizard PS: not my idea, but a good one none the less. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 00:37:08 2008 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:37:08 -0000 Subject: Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alla > But I don't know about the age of Chinese gimnasts, really. Asian kids and teens DO look much younger than european or american girls of the same age will look, it is true. > > I know a girl of chinese decent who was to be fourteen this year ( I have not seen her for probably seven months). When I met her for the first time maybe year and a half ago, I thought child was seven. I kid you not. Jen: There *is* a difference in size, weight, etc. I was on your side of the debate, arguing at work the girls were all of-age, until actually watching them several nights in a row, then hearing that several girls were entered as recently as 2007 in other events with younger birthdates. I started to wonder. Alla: > And if the girls are under age, which is of course against the rules and they should be punished somehow, I think it makes it doubly > embarassing that they beat our team. Often ( not you dear!!!) peoplesay that chinese are under age that somehow makes the loss > understandable. Jen: I'm not even for punishment so much as thinking an International Gymnastics group needs to make certain there isn't a health risk. That was the reason for the age limit IIRC, more risk to growing bodies at younger ages. Alla: > I mean, I agree that judges would give every possible questionable > deduction in favor of chinese and will deduct points from our girls > where they would deduct nothing from chinese, but I do not see how > under age factor alone will influence the win so much. Jen: I don't think it factored into winning & losing as much as some claim. Sure, flipping around 70 lbs. is easier than 90 lbs., and the smaller athletes might have an advantage for staying in bounds on the floor (although both the Russian & Ukraine gymnasts, who appeared to be similar in build to the Americans, did fine staying in bounds). I assume there are disadvatages though, like spanning the distance between the high/low bars when you're tiny, or concentration/focus, experience, less muscle mass, etc. Alla: > I was so screaming on TV when it was individual all around and > Chinese girl did not lose much after she had to check her balance several times and Nastia and Shawm got points docked for much smaller mistakes. > > Of course it is all in my eye and I am so not a gymnast HAHA, and > maybe I am way off base, but I do believe that judges were > extremely biased and THAT contributed to Chinese victory as well. Jen: I gave up figuring out the scoring. I decided some of the variations must have been over style points because my attempts to go strictly by what the announcer said was a deduction never added up the same as the final score. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:41:16 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:41:16 -0000 Subject: So...Anyone Seen Dan Radcliffe Naked Lately? Message-ID: For those who don't know, Dan has a feature article in the latest Vogue Magazine in which he appears naked on a horse while Richard Griffiths stands by. Links to copies of the article here - http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/16/dan-radcliffe-featured-in-vogue-magazine Links to the photo here - http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/219195 'Click' on the photo to see an enlarged version. It is actually a very good photo taken by Anne Leibovitz. Hey, it beat complaining about WB. Steve/bluewizard From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 01:01:48 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:01:48 -0000 Subject: The Harry Potter Husband Test & Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > It seems every time I turn to the Olympics, it's swimming. It's as if there aren't any other sports! (Just coincidence, I know.) > > I did a lot of grumbling about the women's beach volleyball cough! > uniforms!cough. > We've watched gymnastics because my son does Special Olympics gymnastics. One of the Americans fell off the balance beam,and also made a mistake in the floor exercise. We were both angry at the network for showing every possible view of the falls, in every possible special effect over and over. Then in zooming in to her face for as long as possible every time they could as she watched her team mates. > Carol responds: I think that most of the swimming competition is over with. Michael Phelps has finished, at least. NBC showed synchronized diving (which is fun to watch) in the middle of the week. More diving events are scheduled for this week, so you haven't missed it. Right now, track and field is the big thing, but they're also showing rowing and equestrian events. a number of woemn in the marathon also wore bikini-style "uniforms" (though some still wore what looked like boys' PE uniforms from when I was in school). Maybe the more conservative countries avoid the sexy outfits, or maybe some of the older women avoid them. OTOH, the winner of the marathon by a very long distance (a whole minute ahead of the others, I think, which is quite a lead in a 26-mile race) was a 38-year-old Romanian woman with a teenage son, yet she wore one of those outfits. By the end of the race, she was showing her age, but for most of the run, she looked quite good despite the skimpy "uniform." As for beach volleyball, I still don't consider it an Olympic sport. I felt very sorry for Alicia Scaramone with those replays you entioned, not only of her falls, especially off the balance beam (a spectacular mount that went completely wrong) but also of her disappointed, angry face. they should leave the poor girl alone. It was even worse with Hiroyuki Tomita, the Japanese gymnast who fell off the rings and then fell on the landing of his vault. I think he must have been severely injured when he fell from the rings and didn't even have time to recover. I don't know what happened to him after that. I still like gymnastics, though, and I really hope not to see any more falls in this Olympics! Carol, looking forward to tonight's vault competition From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 01:27:45 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:27:45 -0000 Subject: Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen: There *is* a difference in size, weight, etc. I was on your > side of the debate, arguing at work the girls were all of-age, until > actually watching them several nights in a row, then hearing that > several girls were entered as recently as 2007 in other events with > younger birthdates. I started to wonder. Alla: Oh, but I am not saying that they are of-age necessarily, you know? All that I am saying is that judging by their appearance only can be very deceiving especially when we are talking about chinese girls and when people are saying that oh yeah, they look younger and they just must be younger... I am just not convinced that this is sufficient evidence to condemn those girls as rule violators. But you are right, those earlier publications in Chinese press with different ages for them are much more suspicious. > Jen: > I'm not even for punishment so much as thinking an International > Gymnastics group needs to make certain there isn't a health risk. > That was the reason for the age limit IIRC, more risk to growing > bodies at younger ages. Alla: Totally agreed. From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 02:31:43 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Happy Birthday, Jo C! Message-ID: <697981.47976.qm@web63405.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Boy, you folks sure made a mess with that last party! *sweeps, dusts, clears up the dirty plates and glasses and starts rummaging through the boxes for fresh streamers and balloons* Today's birthday honouree is Jo Crabtree aka Professor Phlash. Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to: crabtree at ktc.com *pops out quickly and returns with a towering chocolate cake* Okay, nibblies and drinks over to the left. Pull up your favourite comfy chair or crank up the music and take a turn on the dance floor. Hey, you guys in the corner, don't forget you have to work in the morning! Jo, I hope your day has been filled with friends, fun and everything magical. Happy Birthday, Jo! Sheryll the Birthday Elf, heading for a comfy chair with a plate of sandwiches and cake __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 03:47:06 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:47:06 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > can do. zanooda: Count me in, Steve :-)! I never go on the first weekend anyway - too many people for my taste :-). From tonks_op at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 06:04:44 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:44 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > WB and other studios set great store by the opening weekend box > office, and if it is a disappointment, I think heart medication > will be flowing like wine in the WB board room. They will think > they killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And I say, let > them sweat; good for them. > > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > can do. Tonks: Well I still HATE Warner Brothers and THIS serves them right!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080817/ap_en_mu/film_harry_potter_ew Apparently one hand doesn't know what the other is doing over there. At least we will have the book, thank you J.K. Rowling for the book, on Dec. 4th!!!!!!!!!! But screw WB! Tonks_op From kempermentor at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 06:30:58 2008 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:30:58 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Steve: > This is an idea taken from the HP Movie group. > > Let's face it, we are all going to see the movie, and Warner is > counting on that. But we don't have to see it the first weekend. > ... > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > can do. Kemper now: Good idea. To make it hurt worse, what about paying to support a different movie other than HBP? For instance: You pay for the cool, indy flick that's playing but sneak into HBP. I've done it for a few blockbuster movies. Just a thought. Kemper From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 18:57:15 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:57:15 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > > can do. > > > zanooda: > > Count me in, Steve :-)! I never go on the first weekend anyway - too > many people for my taste :-). > Alla: Me too, actually no friend dragged me in IMAX on OOP opening date, but really other four movies I went a month later, so quite honestly will be no problem lol. Since I personally think that this is an idiotic decision, I would LOVE if WB got it where it hurts - deep pockets of course. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 18 20:56:55 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:56:55 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > > > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > > > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > > > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > > > can do. > > > > > > zanooda: > > > > Count me in, Steve :-)! I never go on the first weekend anyway - too > > many people for my taste :-). > Alla: > Me too, actually no friend dragged me in IMAX on OOP opening date, > but really other four movies I went a month later, so quite honestly > will be no problem lol. > Since I personally think that this is an idiotic decision, I would > LOVE if WB got it where it hurts - deep pockets of course. Geoff: Well, last year when OOTP was launched, I was on holiday and about to go to the Isles of Scilly but saw it on the mainland the night before going over. Next year, they've managed to drop the date slap bang in the middle of our week on the Isles. There ain't a cinema on the IoS...... :-( However, I usually see it about three times in the cinema so I shall have to exercise great patience which is the fruit of the Spirit least present in my life. Ho hum. Anyone for chess? From gav_fiji at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 22:41:22 2008 From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:41:22 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alla: > Since I personally think that this is an idiotic decision, I > would LOVE if WB got it where it hurts - deep pockets of course. Goddlefrood: I can do my small part to hit them in the pocket. Instead of going to the cinema to watch the film, I'll buy the pirate DVD as soon as it comes out (usually a day or two before the official opening ;-)) and watch it at home. I would not have done this had the film been opening in November as originally scheduled. Yah boo sucks WB. From kempermentor at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 22:57:58 2008 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:57:58 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Geoff: > However, I usually see it about three times in the cinema so I shall > have to exercise great patience which is the fruit of the Spirit least > present in my life. Kemper: My fruit basket is filled with patience, but it could use some ripe temperance. Mine are a bit green. A trade? > Geoff: > Ho hum. Anyone for chess? Kemper: Yes please. From jillily3g at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 02:01:54 2008 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:01:54 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > This is an idea taken from the HP Movie group. > > Let's face it, we are all going to see the movie, and Warner is > counting on that. But we don't have to see it the first weekend. > > WB and other studios set great store by the opening weekend box > office, and if it is a disappointment, I think heart medication > will be flowing like wine in the WB board room. They will think > they killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And I say, let > them sweat; good for them. > > Then on the second weekend or whenever is convenient for us, > we go see the movie, but let's deny them that grand opening > weekend, let's make them sweat a little. It's the least we > can do. > > Steve/bluewizard > > PS: not my idea, but a good one none the less. Beth: I'm cross-posting from Leaky Lounge. Again, not an original idea, but I think if we boycott all things WB they might sit up and take notice. So I wrote over there: "I like the idea proposed that fans unite in boycotting the movie for at least the first week. I really like the idea that we boycott WB altogether. Don't go see their movies, don't buy their DVD's, don't buy their merchandise. I found a list of their movies here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warner_Bros._films and here: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/ "I know Wikipedia's a controversial source and Imdb isn't always accurate, either, so if someone knows of better sources, perhaps they could post them. "Additionally, a list of other WB owned assets can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asset..._by_Time_Warner (scroll down a ways) "Why not avoid all things WB? Maybe watch CW 50% less. It doesn't look like that one would be hard to do, but to each his own! Don't download WB films from places like Netflix or iTunes. Personally, I really wanted one of those fan-designed "Mischief Managed" t-shirts for my birthday in two weeks, but now? Meh." Just a thought, Beth From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 03:03:50 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:03:50 -0000 Subject: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? Message-ID: Here's an article--how authoritative I don't know--that says WB is delaying the film because it doesn't want "Equus" to taint Dan Radcliffe's "virginal" image. (Hey, don't hex me! I'm just the messenger!) Read it for yourself here: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/ET_Cetera/Harry_Potter_flicks_release_delayed/articleshow/3373678.cms http://tinyurl.com/5pbukr Carol, now addicted to tinyurls From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:23:26 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:26 -0000 Subject: CHESS and The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" wrote: > > > > Geoff: > > However, I usually see it about three times in the cinema so I shall have to exercise great patience which is the fruit of the Spirit least present in my life. > > Kemper: > My fruit basket is filled with patience, but it could use some ripe > temperance. Mine are a bit green. A trade? > > > Geoff: > > Ho hum. Anyone for chess? > > Kemper: > Yes please. Tonks: Oh.. Oh.. Me too!! Me too!! Can we play chess here??? I will need someone to play against.. any takers? Also I was just thinking that another reason they might not do the movie at the Holiday season is because of the major death. Since some folks only watch the movies and have not read the books, it would be easier for them to take the death in the Summer. Might mess up one's Holiday, Christmas, etc. otherwise. Just a thought. The book that is coming out will be more fun and a depressing movie. And I do wonder if WB based their decission on the book release as well as the fact that it will put the movies closer together and keep people hyped up for all three movies that way. At least we will have the book. I am looking forward to that. Tonks_op From tonks_op at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:35:19 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:35:19 -0000 Subject: The PLAN - DO NOT Boycott the Merchants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Beth" wrote: > > Beth: I'm cross-posting from Leaky Lounge. Again, not an original > idea, but I think if we boycott all things WB they might sit up and > take notice. So I wrote over there: > > "I like the idea proposed that fans unite in boycotting the movie for at least the first week. I really like the idea that we boycott WB altogether. Don't go see their movies, don't buy their DVD's, don't buy their merchandise. Tonks: If you don't want to buy things at the WB site, that is fine. But PLEASE do NOT punish the other merchants. They will have a hard enough time during the Holiday shopping season because of the movie delay. WB is a big company, it will mean very little to them actually. But they would love to put the small companies that are their competitors for HP merchandise out of business. Buy from those places instead of WB. Or just boycott the movies. Actually whatever you do will mean very little to a company the size of WB. We are like gnats on a wall to them. Trust me on this. Tonks_op From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 19 06:37:04 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:37:04 -0000 Subject: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Here's an article--how authoritative I don't know--that says WB is > delaying the film because it doesn't want "Equus" to taint Dan > Radcliffe's "virginal" image. (Hey, don't hex me! I'm just the > messenger!) Read it for yourself here: > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/ET_Cetera/Harry_Potter_fli cks_release_delayed/articleshow/3373678.cms > > http://tinyurl.com/5pbukr > > Carol, now addicted to tinyurls Geoff: Well, that's plain daft. Last year, Dan appeared in "Equus" from 26th February- 9th June in the West End - I went to see it in the last week of May and OOTP premiered in the UK on 12th July. There were rumours of grumbling emanating from WB then but I don't believe that the play affected his image. From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Tue Aug 19 07:16:53 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:16:53 -0000 Subject: The PLAN: (Was:I HATE Warner Brothers!!! Movie date changed.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" wrote: > > > > Geoff (yesterday): > > However, I usually see it about three times in the cinema so I shall > > have to exercise great patience which is the fruit of the Spirit least > > present in my life. > > Kemper: > My fruit basket is filled with patience, but it could use some ripe > temperance. Mine are a bit green. A trade? Geoff: My fruit basket contains love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, according to the manifest recommended by Paul in his letter to the Galatians chapter 5, verse 22. Sadly, my shelf stock occasionally runs low - especially with patience and peace - so I need to keep an eye on the re-order levels. > > Geoff (yesterday): > > Ho hum. Anyone for chess? > > Kemper: > Yes please. Geoff: P-K4. From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 14:32:51 2008 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:51 -0000 Subject: The PLAN - DO NOT Boycott the Merchants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Tonks: > > If you don't want to buy things at the WB site, that is fine. But > PLEASE do NOT punish the other merchants. They will have a hard > enough time during the Holiday shopping season because of the movie > delay. WB is a big company, it will mean very little to them > actually. But they would love to put the small companies that are > their competitors for HP merchandise out of business. Buy from those > places instead of WB. Or just boycott the movies. Actually whatever > you do will mean very little to a company the size of WB. We are > like gnats on a wall to them. Trust me on this. > > Tonks_op > Annemehr: Maybe I'm missing something, but what "small companies" in competition with WB do you mean? HP merchandise is licensed by WB, so there's no competition regarding the manufacturers. I can't say how large the companies are that pay the licensing fees, but I imagine they would have to be of a certain size to be able to afford it. As for the retail merchants, most of those are chains stores anyway. If you want to support, say, a small independent bookstore that carries this stuff, you could always buy something else instead. Annemehr, who wasn't going to bother with any more HP movies anyway... From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:17:07 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:17:07 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Beth: I'm cross-posting from Leaky Lounge. Again, not an original > idea, but I think if we boycott all things WB they might sit up and > take notice. So I wrote over there: > > "I like the idea proposed that fans unite in boycotting the movie for > at least the first week. I really like the idea that we boycott WB > altogether. Don't go see their movies, don't buy their DVD's, don't > buy their merchandise. I found a list of their movies here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warner_Bros._films > and here: > http://www.imdb.com/company/co0026840/ > > "I know Wikipedia's a controversial source and Imdb isn't always > accurate, either, so if someone knows of better sources, perhaps they > could post them. > > "Additionally, a list of other WB owned assets can be found here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asset..._by_Time_Warner (scroll > down a ways) > > "Why not avoid all things WB? Maybe watch CW 50% less. It doesn't look > like that one would be hard to do, but to each his own! Don't download > WB films from places like Netflix or iTunes. Personally, I really > wanted one of those fan-designed "Mischief Managed" t-shirts for my > birthday in two weeks, but now? Meh." > > Just a thought, > Beth > Alla: Heee, not sure about avoiding all WB things - like TV stations, but boy it is easy enough to avoid the movies, lol. And funny, it is not like I am always thinking that big corporation is always wrong, oh no, I fully supported WB in JKR's court case for example and still do. But this? Oh boy, corporate greed in all its glory IMO. And again, trust me on this guys, I never said that I hate the movies or anything, I quite like them as nice addition to the books, but I never got, well super super excited about them - the way I did about the books, so while when I heard the announcement I was dissapointed, I was not terribly upset, but I do feel bad for so many people who were very excited and anticipating movie release for months. As I said before, but for OOP ( and my very very persistent friend), I went to see other movies probably a MONTH ( do not remember for sure of course) later after they hit the big screen. I was not especially anxious or anything lol. I can do the same with HBP and if I am feeling especially grumpy, I may even wait for DVD ( not sure about that though in all honesty, have a very persistent friend LOL). Now when Beedle the bard comes, oh yeah, already preordered and will swallow very fast, tee hee, I am bad. Movies? Um, we shall see. BOOO WB! You thought you will make one million less or something at Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving, when families stay together and often go to the theater, whether school is out or not IMO. I **hope** they lose at least some money on the movie, I hope people will still remember this eight months later enough for the large number of people to not go see movie opening weekend. I really really do hope so. And I know it had been said on Leaky and probably in other places ( only post here and read leaky, nothing else HP), but how incredibly idiotic Mr. Alan Horn sounded, eh? He already saw the movie and it is fabulous? Way to pacify the fans indeed... NOT. JMO, Alla From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 01:32:57 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:32:57 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > And I know it had been said on Leaky and probably in other places ( > only post here and read leaky, nothing else HP), but how incredibly > idiotic Mr. Alan Horn sounded, eh? > > He already saw the movie and it is fabulous? Way to pacify the fans > indeed... NOT. > > JMO, > > Alla Alla: Eh sorry, did not mean to reply to myself, but I went on Leaky and saw Alan Horn issuing another statement and I am sitting here giggling like mad woman. Please, please hire PR agent, PLEASE let them write your speeches and statements, OMG. I am joking of course, I am aware that the president of multimillion dollar corporation has plenty of those, but boy if they wrote that statement... And um, he already acknowledges the letters from fans lol http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/20/wb-in-statement-to-fans- move-never-intended-to-upset-our-harry-potter-fans From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 03:12:17 2008 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:12:17 -0000 Subject: The PLAN - DO NOT Boycott the Merchants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Annemehr" wrote: > > > > Tonks: > > > > If you don't want to buy things at the WB site, that is fine. But > > PLEASE do NOT punish the other merchants. They will have a hard > > enough time during the Holiday shopping season because of the movie > > delay. WB is a big company, it will mean very little to them > > actually. But they would love to put the small companies that are > > their competitors for HP merchandise out of business. Buy from > those > > places instead of WB. Or just boycott the movies. Actually whatever > > you do will mean very little to a company the size of WB. We are > > like gnats on a wall to them. Trust me on this. > > > > Tonks_op > > > > Annemehr: > > Maybe I'm missing something, but what "small companies" in > competition with WB do you mean? > > HP merchandise is licensed by WB, so there's no competition regarding > the manufacturers. I can't say how large the companies are that pay > the licensing fees, but I imagine they would have to be of a certain > size to be able to afford it. > > As for the retail merchants, most of those are chains stores anyway. > If you want to support, say, a small independent bookstore that > carries this stuff, you could always buy something else instead. Beth: I'm with Annemehr in that I'm not sure I understand this, but if what you mean is to keep buy Harry Potter merchandise, I'm afraid I was never one to count on for that anyway. If it didn't relate to my class, I really couldn't justify the expense. If what you mean is to keep patronizing the stores, why not buy only book-related products? I'm not thrilled about Scholastic lately because I think their book club order forms for school children have been seriously lacking the past few years, but I don't have such a beef with them I can't see buying things they license. (Do they license things? Don't they do calendars and such?) Beth From jillily3g at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 03:25:44 2008 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:25:44 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > Alla: > > Eh sorry, did not mean to reply to myself, but I went on Leaky and > saw Alan Horn issuing another statement and I am sitting here > giggling like mad woman. Please, please hire PR agent, PLEASE let > them write your speeches and statements, OMG. > > I am joking of course, I am aware that the president of multimillion > dollar corporation has plenty of those, but boy if they wrote that > statement... > > And um, he already acknowledges the letters from fans lol > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/8/20/wb-in-statement-to-fans- > move-never-intended-to-upset-our-harry-potter-fans > Beth: One can only shake one's head in disbelief. At book club tonight I talked first with the hostess's teenage daughter about the delay and my own "protest" plans and then within the group when someone else brought it up (I try not to bring up Harry Potter within the group, but they all ask for my "expertise" when they have questions.) Everyone who counts themselves a fan was disappointed, but none of them could fathom waiting a week to see it. Mostly they don't want to wait because they love the fun of the midnight releases. Which makes me wonder: Could fans organize to have events not only on release night but also a week later? Beth, who's sorry if this is what you meant not to do tonks_op, but who already marked any DVDs from The Company that Must Not Be Named on her wishlist "lowest" priority and added the comment asking that they not be purchased as TCTMNBN delayed release of The Film that Was Not There. It may be childish, but it made me feel better! From kempermentor at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 05:26:29 2008 From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:26:29 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Beth signed off: > Beth, who's sorry if this is what you meant not to do tonks_op, but > who already marked any DVDs from The Company that Must Not Be Named on > her wishlist "lowest" priority and added the comment asking that they > not be purchased as TCTMNBN delayed release of The Film that Was Not > There. It may be childish, but it made me feel better! Kemper: YEAH!!! Beth rules! From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Aug 20 13:18:38 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:18:38 -0000 Subject: Fruits of the Spirit (was Re: The PLAN: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Geoff: > My fruit basket contains love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, > faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, according to the manifest > recommended by Paul in his letter to the Galatians chapter 5, verse 22. > Sadly, my shelf stock occasionally runs low - especially with patience > and peace - so I need to keep an eye on the re-order levels. Potioncat: You know, I think I'll keep a fruit basket on the table. Everyone can help themselves to the nutrition for the body, while it will remind me of the nutrition for the soul. From ajalwag at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 18:58:42 2008 From: ajalwag at yahoo.com (gryffindoras) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:58:42 -0000 Subject: Welcome Los Angeles Area Harry Potter Fans Message-ID: Are you a fan of all things Harry Potter and live in the Los Angeles area? Then come join the Los Angeles Harry Potter Dumbledore's Army Meetup Group for some wizarding fun. As we gear up for the next movie, we will be having HP Game Nights and other fun activities to get us in the magical mood. All Hogwarts Houses welcome! Click her to join: http://harrypotter.meetup.com/517/ From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 23:59:01 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:59:01 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alla wrote: > BOOO WB! You thought you will make one million less or something at Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving, when families stay together and often go to the theater, whether school is out or not IMO. Carol responds: But thanksgiving is a holiday only in America (Canadian thanksgiving is about a month earlier, IMO, and other countries don't celebrate the holiday at all) whereas July 17 is right in the middle of summer vacation for just about everyone. The kids will be out of school for a month and a half to two months after the release date instead of just two days plus a weekend (in one country) for November 21. Unless I'm mistaken, the movie is being delayed everywhere, not just in the U.S. (If I'm wrong, and we Americans are the only ones who won't get to see it in November, I *will* be upset! Carol, who agrees with Alla that money is WB's primary motive but thinks that summer is a better bet than a U.S. holiday for drawing kids and teenagers to movie theaters worldwide From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:04:06 2008 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:04:06 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol: But thanksgiving is a holiday only in America (Canadian thanksgiving is about a month earlier, IMO, and other countries don't celebrate the holiday at all) whereas July 17 is right in the middle of summer vacation for just about everyone. The kids will be out of school for a month and a half to two months after the release date instead of just two days plus a weekend (in one country) for November 21. Unless I'm mistaken, the movie is being delayed everywhere, not just in the U.S. (If I'm wrong, and we Americans are the only ones who won't get to see it in November, I *will* be upset! Carol, who agrees with Alla that money is WB's primary motive but thinks that summer is a better bet than a U.S. holiday for drawing kids and teenagers to movie theaters worldwide Alla: Yes I know that Thanksgiving is a holiday only in America. As far as I know and I can be wrong, I am too lazy in the morning to double check the sources, but I am pretty sure that for example folks in Australia were *already* getting a movie couple months later than we are, and maybe some other countries too, so Thanksgiving certainly played no part in it. I believe that they still will be getting movie a month or too later so again, school out may not be significant? And the best part of course and it was mentioned several time on Leaky, but again I cannot find a link that PoA which was released in the summer grossed **less** than the HP Movies that were released in November, so I think school out again is not very significant factor, IMO of course. From jillily3g at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 14:53:16 2008 From: jillily3g at yahoo.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:53:16 -0000 Subject: The PLAN - a disappointing realization Message-ID: I just realized this morning (yes, I'm that slow) that TCTMNBN stands to make fistfuls of cash a month before the original release date of The Film That Wasn't There because of Halloween costumes designed like Heath Ledger's character. Darn it. Btw, I'm sure plenty of people read the Leaky Lounge forums, too, but for those that don't, another intriguing idea has surfaced: After the first /two/ weeks the studios enter a 50-50 split of profits with the theaters. So for those who can stand to wait that long, here's a way perhaps to /help/ local theater owners while sending a message to that company. Beth From hells456 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 21 14:53:06 2008 From: hells456 at yahoo.co.uk (hells) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <471555.42013.qm@web26305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Carol: But thanksgiving is a holiday only in America (Canadian thanksgiving is about a month earlier, IMO, and other countries don't celebrate the holiday at all) whereas July 17 is right in the middle of summer vacation for just about everyone. The kids will be out of school for a month and a half to two months after the release date instead of just two days plus a weekend (in one country) for November 21.? Hells: That's not in the middle of the summer holidays for everyone. My kids' schools never break up for the summer holidays before 21st July. This year it was the 23rd July. I'm in Southern England. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 19:50:14 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:50:14 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alla wrote: > I cannot find a link that PoA which was released in the summer grossed **less** than the HP Movies that were released in November, so I think school out again is not very significant factor, Carol responds: I found a site recently that gave the release dates and box office earnings (or was it profits?), but I can't find it now, so I'm resorting to Wikipedia. (I assume that we can trust them with statistical information verifiable elsewhere.) If I find the other site again, I'll post the link. Meanwhile, here's the data from Wiki, with irrelevant information snipped (figures are box office earnings, not profits): Philosopher's Stone 16 November, 2001 $976,475,550 Chamber of Secrets 15 November, 2002 $878,988,482 Prisoner of Azkaban 31 May, 2004 $795,541,069 Goblet of Fire 18 November, 2005 $896,016,159 Order of the Phoenix 11 July, 2007 $938,465,035 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_(films) It looks as if May 31 is the worst date of the five. There's only one July release date compared with three in November, but OoP has the second highest profit, with only the first film of the franchise earning more. (I read somewhere that OoP opened in 400 more theaters worldwide than GoF, so there may be factors other than release dates involdved in box office earnings.) However, I'd say that a summer release date, when *most* kids and teenagers worldwide are out of school (I'm not sure about Australia!), is (or would normally be) a sound business decision. The problem in this instance is the previously announced November release and the disappointed fans. (The lack of another summer blockbuster because of the writers' strike is probably also a factor.) Anyway, aside from the risk of spontaneously exploding fans http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/16_year_old_explodes_due_to_delay_of_harry_potter_6 http://tinyurl.com/5jre3z I think WB will probably be happy with their decision in the long run. I'll see the film about a week after it's released just as I would have done otherwise. It's not the first time I've been disappointed by a delayed release date for a film I wanted to see, and I doubt that it will be the last. Carol, wondering when the full trailer will come out and expecting that it won't happen till May From tonks_op at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 05:29:45 2008 From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:29:45 -0000 Subject: The PLAN - DO NOT Boycott the Merchants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Annemehr: > > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but what "small companies" in > > competition with WB do you mean? > > > > HP merchandise is licensed by WB, so there's no competition regarding the manufacturers. I can't say how large the companies are that pay the licensing fees, but I imagine they would have to be of a certain size to be able to afford it. > > > > As for the retail merchants, most of those are chains stores anyway. If you want to support, say, a small independent bookstore that carries this stuff, you could always buy something else instead. > > > Beth: > I'm with Annemehr in that I'm not sure I understand this, but if what you mean is to keep buy Harry Potter merchandise, I'm afraid I was never one to count on for that anyway. If it didn't relate to my > class, I really couldn't justify the expense. If what you mean is to keep patronizing the stores, why not buy only book-related products? Tonks: OK. Let me explain. On the internet there are only a few good places to get Harry Potter stuff. One of these is Warner Brother themselves. One is Noble Collection who only sells to the public and to WB and sometimes to SkyMall. The rest like Order of Merlin, Alivan, Slyvan Lanes Shop, etc. are small merchants who rely on the Holiday trade to live. That is what I mean. When a movie plays at Thanksgiving in the U.S. kids start bugging their parents for HP stuff. Otherwise they bug their parents for other things. For some small business that only sell Harry Potter the Holiday traffic is what keeps them alive. They are not bookstores or large chain stores. If you want HP merchandise, most of the bookstores and chain stores do not have much of anything. Tonks_op and a plug for my friends at: http://www.orderofmerlin.com From OctobersChild48 at aol.com Fri Aug 22 05:59:53 2008 From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:59:53 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The PLAN - DO NOT Boycott the Merchants Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/2008 1:30:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tonks_op at yahoo.com writes: Tonks: OK. Let me explain. On the internet there are only a few good places to get Harry Potter stuff. One of these is Warner Brother themselves. One is Noble Collection who only sells to the public and to WB and sometimes to SkyMall. The rest like Order of Merlin, Alivan, Slyvan Lanes Shop, etc. are small merchants who rely on the Holiday trade to live. That is what I mean. When a movie plays at Thanksgiving in the U.S. kids start bugging their parents for HP stuff. Otherwise they bug their parents for other things. For some small business that only sell Harry Potter the Holiday traffic is what keeps them alive. They are not bookstores or large chain stores. If you want HP merchandise, most of the bookstores and chain stores do not have much of anything. Tonks_op and a plug for my friends at: _http://www.orderofmhttp://ww_ (http://www.orderofmerlin.com) Sandy: I love orderofmerlin. That's where I got my custom-made Harry Potter robe. Their prices are very reasonable and they deliver quickly. I love my HP robe - wear it every chance I get. I wear it around the house a lot when I am chilly. I highly recommend them too. Sandy **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 24 02:29:33 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:29:33 -0000 Subject: Half-Blood Prince Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lee Storm wrote in : << I do have a purple velvet cape, but with the unpredictability of November weather, wouldn't want to chance using it. No, summer is better for a Dress Visit. >> I think a velvet cape is better suited to November than to when even the night-time temperature is in the 90s. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Aug 24 02:30:53 2008 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:30:53 -0000 Subject: Sorting hat / Nick's Death date / Husband quiz pictures / Olympics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ali wrote in : << I guess everyone is getting into this Olympics reporting thing if things like "individual relay" is appearing. >> Or it could be that I need a hearing aid. In the last two days, I heard of 'lemon sharks' appearing near local beaches (they're leopard sharks, small and scared of humans, and warm water brings them to local beaches every year around this time) and of 'Russain armored beagles' on the roads of Gruziya. OTOH a presumably-national announcer mentioning that Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo was said to be being investigated by the FBI kept pronouncing his surname as if it rhymed with 'pillow' instead of with 'Leo', and that was NOT my ears. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 24 17:41:22 2008 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 24 Aug 2008 17:41:22 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 8/24/2008, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1219599682.9.49971.m52@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday August 24, 2008 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2008 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au Sun Aug 24 22:30:09 2008 From: madammilliemarsh at yahoo.com.au (Alison) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:30:09 -0000 Subject: The PLAN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > However, I'd say that a summer release date, when *most* kids and > teenagers worldwide are out of school (I'm not sure about Australia!), > is (or would normally be) a sound business decision. The new date for Australia is 16 July, which (I haven't checked exactly) is likely to put this towards the very end of the 2 weeks of mid year school holidays. So yes, they will be out of school, for the opening weekend, but that's all. Still, I'd consider the takings from Australia to be pretty much small potatoes when compared to US and Europe, so I don't think it would impact WB much. From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com Mon Aug 25 13:32:28 2008 From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:32:28 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire Message-ID: Have just returned from 2 weeks holiday in Beautiful North Yorkshire in England. it was very Wet and cold but did not stop DH and myself and my 2 children sightseeing. We did not get to any Dunnett places, but we went to Whitby Abbey which is beautiful and to Middleham Castle which was Richard 111rd childhood home and his favourite residence. It is great although a ruin. As a great Richard fan it has been one of the castles I have always wanted to visit.I could imagine all I had read about in Sunne in Splendour (Sharon Penman's wonderful book )happening there. We visited Pickering Castle too and York(Which is a lovely City ). I went to a Richard 111rd museum there which was great so I was a happy bunny Yorkshire is lovely and there are more places to visit that I did not get too. Next time maybe!!!!. Mind you I want sun next year on my holiday so will have to venture outside UK. Thinking of Cyprus or Portugal Jayne Glad to be back home out of a cold damp Caravan From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 20:57:14 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:57:14 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire/Richard III Week In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jayne wrote: > > Have just returned from 2 weeks holiday in Beautiful North Yorkshire in England. it was very Wet and cold but did not stop DH and myself and my 2 children sightseeing. We did not get to any Dunnett places, but we went to Whitby Abbey which is beautiful and to Middleham Castle which was Richard 111rd childhood home and his favourite residence. It is great although a ruin. As a great Richard fan it has been one of the castles I have always wanted to visit.I could imagine all I had read about in Sunne in Splendour (Sharon Penman's wonderful book )happening there. We visited Pickering Castle too and York(Which is a lovely City ). I went to a Richard 111rd museum there which was great so I was a happy bunny Carol: I thought of Richard on the 22nd, the anniversary of Bosworth. I was glad to see that both the British and American RIII Societies had memorial notices on their web pages. There's a new book out (nonfiction) called "Richard III: The Maligned King" by Annette Carson. Check out this discussion on Vulpes Libris (Book Fox), which is celebrating Richard III Week: http://vulpeslibris.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/richard-iii-week-interview-with-annette-carson/ http://tinyurl.com/5ulj2y Turns out that Annette Carson shares some favorite books with me: Paul Murray Kendall's biography of Richard, of course, but also LOTR and "Sense and Sensibility." Jayne: > Yorkshire is lovely and there are more places to visit that I did not get too. Next time maybe!!!!. > > Mind you I want sun next year on my holiday so will have to venture outside UK. Thinking of Cyprus or Portugal Carol: I'd love to go to Yorkshire, but I'm afraid I'm stuck here in the U.S. BTW, if you want a warm, sunshiny place, may I recommend southern Arizona? Not in monsoon season, however. We may have rain again this afternoon. Nothing compared with the "Sunshine State" (Florida), however, which has been drenched by Fay, the tropical storm that wouldn't leave. (Her brother Julio is supposed to push some rain into Arizona today--I hope.) Carol, off to pick up her new lineless trifocals, which are finally ready, hooray! From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 22:15:19 2008 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:19 -0000 Subject: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > > --- "Carol" wrote: > > > > Here's an article--how authoritative I don't know--that > > says WB is delaying the film because it doesn't want > > "Equus" to taint Dan Radcliffe's "virginal" image. (Hey, > > don't hex me! I'm just the messenger!) Read it for yourself > > here: > > > > > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/ET_Cetera/Harry_Potter_flicks_release_delayed/articleshow/3373678.cms > > ... > > Carol, now addicted to tinyurls > > Geoff: > Well, that's plain daft. > > Last year, Dan appeared in "Equus" from 26th February- 9th > June in the West End - I went to see it in the last week of > May and OOTP premiered in the UK on 12th July. There were > rumours of grumbling emanating from WB then but I don't believe > that the play affected his image. > bboyminn: I think this idea the 'naked Dan' is the problem has been discredited by everyone including Dan himself. First, as Geoff points out, the whole notion defies logic. Dan has already performed the play in London. When it was announced that he was going to strip off in the controversial play in London, we heard news report right away that Warner was furious at the idea. Yet, Warner threw there full support behind Dan and the play. Now some trumped up reporter from Faux..er...Fox News came out with this idea, and it has spread to countless other media outlets. And there in lies the problem. No one is actually reporting news any more. A few stories go out on the wire services, and everyone just repeats them over and over as if they had some exclusive scoop. As if /this/ is really news. I remember when the big news story was that Dan smoked like a steam engine. Yet, that news story started on a Spoof site, and made it into mainstream (alleged) serious reporting and then it was just passed from one news outlet to another; nobody bothering the check the facts along the way. As Craig Ferguson says, it must be true, it's written down. This is a load of speculation and scandle mongering. Anything to create the illusion of controversy, especially where none actually exists. It's a load of cow cookies. Steve/bluewizard From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Mon Aug 25 22:16:31 2008 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:16:31 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" wrote: Jayne: > We visited Pickering Castle too and York(Which is a lovely City ). > I went to a Richard 111rd museum there which was great so I was a > happy bunny > > Yorkshire is lovely and there are more places to visit that I did not > get too. Next time maybe!!!!. Geoff: For me, I think that York is the most beautiful city in the UK. My father was a Yorkshireman and, as a teenager, I used to stay with my aunt (his sister) about 6 miles outside the city. I would take the early bus in and stay for the whole day just wandering round. The walls are just indescribable and there is the Castle Museum, Clifford's Tower, the National Railway Museum, boats on the Ouse and so much more,,,, An interesting second choice to York would be Berwick-on-Tweed which also boasts a magnificent set of walls. If you want to see a couple of views of Berwick's walls - also Lindisfarne (Holy Island), have a look at www.geoffbannister.com/northumberland.html I haven't got any York shots up on my site - yet. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 01:53:57 2008 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:53:57 -0000 Subject: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: bboyminn: wrote > > I think this idea the 'naked Dan' is the problem has been discredited by everyone including Dan himself. > > First, as Geoff points out, the whole notion defies logic. Dan has already performed the play in London. When it was announced that he was going to strip off in the controversial play in London, we heard news report right away that Warner was furious at the idea. Yet, Warner threw there full support behind Dan and the play. > > Now some trumped up reporter from Faux..er...Fox News came out with this idea, and it has spread to countless other media outlets. > > And there in lies the problem. No one is actually reporting news any more. A few stories go out on the wire services, and everyone just repeats them over and over as if they had some exclusive scoop. As if /this/ is really news. > Carol responds: I agree that many news stories are just copied, with little original thinking or real knowledge of the situation. (Whether that's a new trend or goes back to AP and other news services providing world and national stories for local papers in the 1930s or earlier, I don't know.) Certainly, copying is an Internet phenomenon causing much more serious problems than rumors about Dan Radcliffe and the reasons for WB's moving the release date of HBP. I was going to mention all those stories about "two deaths" in DH when what JKR really said was that there would be two *unplanned* deaths--we, unlike those reporters, knew perfectly well that more than two people would die, but there that story was, all over the Internet, as if it echoed what JKR had really said. Possibly we're seeing the same phenomenon here. Certainly, this story is not based on what B actually said--but, then, we have no guarantee that WB is giving us its real motives, either. However, I want to point out that I was only quoting the story, not presenting it as true or my own viewpoint. I also want to mention that it's not just the nudity that this author and others think might contaminate Dan's image: it's the brutal treatment of horses in the play, "raping and blinding them," as the author puts it. Needless to say, that's something that Harry Potter wouldn't do, and it's actually quite possible that WB wants to distance Dan and by extension Harry and the whole HP franchise as far as possible from that violent image. Just presenting the other side's view. Please don't attack me, anyone. I'm not for a moment denying that WB's primary motive is money and the hope of two profitable years rather than a "fat" year (2009 with HBP) followed by a lean one (2009 with no summer blockbuster). Carol, trying to make herself watch the Democratic convention and wishing it were as exciting as the Olympics From doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 10:37:30 2008 From: doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com (doddiemoemoe) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:37:30 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Geoff: > For me, I think that York is the most beautiful city in the UK. Doddie here, For me, I could never make up my mind between York and Bath..so much history, so much beauty... I do have to add one stop I always make each time I return to where I was raised..a short road trip to the the "Cheddar Caves"....simply spectacular.. DD From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 13:19:31 2008 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Birthday Party in progress! Message-ID: <682043.27794.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> *surveys the multi-coloured streamer and balloons and decides to add a finishing touch of glittering confetti hovering above the dance floor* Yes, very large party happening here, folks, mostly due to the tardiness of the Birthday Elf in getting things started. Ever-replenishing trays of goodies are on the side table and the bar is stocked with all kind of delicious beverages. *raises a smoking glass of something bright pink* Belated Birthday wishes are going out to the following lovely people (who patience with me is greatly appreciated): Ali (Alhewison), Sharon, ~Joy~, Mike Gray (Aberforth's Goat) and Serenadust (Jo). Birthday owls can be sent care of this list or directly to the honourees. Ali: ali at zymurgy.org, Sharon: sharon8880 at yahoo.com, ~Joy~: jwelan at gmail.com, Mike: mikesusangray at gmail.com, and Serenadust: jmmears at comcast.net I hope all of you had marvelous days filled with good friends, good food and many granted birthday wishes! Cakes are on a separate table over to the left side of the room. Careful to leave some for the birthday folks themselves, though with that much cake in the room it's likely there's enough to go around! As for me, I'm going back to bed. I'll turn up the music on my way out, so get out onto the dance floor and live it up in my absence. :) Happy Birthday, Ali! Happy Birthday, Sharon! Happy Birthday, Joy! Happy Birthday, Mike! Happy Birthday, Jo! Sheryll the Birthday Elf, who needs a weekend to recover from her weekend (working Pride events and working her job, too - I need sleep!) __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From predigirl1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 04:30:36 2008 From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <304023.59228.qm@web63703.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Oh, Please! The readers and the parents are accustomed to what goes on in the books by now. It doesn't end in hugs and puppies! Daniel is grown and I think that people can accept that he will be taking on more adult roles. As will the rest of the cast, hopefully. It's not like he was nude at 12 ! I'm just glad the original cast is still there! ? Alex Hogan (Craig Ferguson Rocks, I KNOW! )? ? --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Steve wrote: From: Steve Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HBP delayed because of "Equus"? To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:15 PM --- "Geoff Bannister" wrote: > > --- "Carol" wrote: > > > > Here's an article--how authoritative I don't know--that > > says WB is delaying the film because it doesn't want > > "Equus" to taint Dan Radcliffe's "virginal" image. (Hey, > > don't hex me! I'm just the messenger!) Read it for yourself > > here: > > > > > http://economictime s.indiatimes. com/News/ News_By_Industry /ET_Cetera/ Harry_Potter_ flicks_release_ delayed/articles how/3373678. cms > > ... > > Carol, now addicted to tinyurls > > Geoff: > Well, that's plain daft. > > Last year, Dan appeared in "Equus" from 26th February- 9th > June in the West End - I went to see it in the last week of > May and OOTP premiered in the UK on 12th July. There were > rumours of grumbling emanating from WB then but I don't believe > that the play affected his image. > bboyminn: I think this idea the 'naked Dan' is the problem has been discredited by everyone including Dan himself. First, as Geoff points out, the whole notion defies logic. Dan has already performed the play in London. When it was announced that he was going to strip off in the controversial play in London, we heard news report right away that Warner was furious at the idea. Yet, Warner threw there full support behind Dan and the play. Now some trumped up reporter from Faux..er...Fox News came out with this idea, and it has spread to countless other media outlets. And there in lies the problem. No one is actually reporting news any more. A few stories go out on the wire services, and everyone just repeats them over and over as if they had some exclusive scoop. As if /this/ is really news. I remember when the big news story was that Dan smoked like a steam engine. Yet, that news story started on a Spoof site, and made it into mainstream (alleged) serious reporting and then it was just passed from one news outlet to another; nobody bothering the check the facts along the way. As Craig Ferguson says, it must be true, it's written down. This is a load of speculation and scandle mongering. Anything to create the illusion of controversy, especially where none actually exists. It's a load of cow cookies. Steve/bluewizard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Aug 28 03:09:38 2008 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:09:38 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Jayne" wrote: > > Have just returned from 2 weeks holiday in Beautiful North Yorkshire > in England. it was very Wet and cold but did not stop DH and myself > and my 2 children sightseeing. Potioncat: I must have been particularly tired when I first read your post. I kept wondering why you took Deathly Hallows on tour with you. Is DH computer-speak for Darling Husband? I know that's what it means on another board that I frequent, but I didn't know it was widely used. From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 04:51:11 2008 From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:51:11 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Potioncat: > > Is DH computer-speak for Darling Husband? I know that's what it > means on another board that I frequent, but I didn't know it was > widely used. Mike: Well, I think the "D" can stand for any number of things, depending on your husband of course. Dear, Doting, and Dreamy are some of the others I've heard. Dingbat, Dratted, and Dumb were the ones that I think were associated with me when I was a spousal unit! Which is why I tain't one no more. From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 19:08:50 2008 From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:08:50 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire/Meaning of DH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > > > Potioncat: > > > > Is DH computer-speak for Darling Husband? I know that's what it > > means on another board that I frequent, but I didn't know it was > > widely used. > > Sorry. It is used on on another discussion sight that I am in. It means Dear Husband, although I could think of other meanings sometimes (VBG) Jayne From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 23:24:15 2008 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:24:15 -0000 Subject: Beautiful Yorkshire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote: > Dingbat, Dratted, and Dumb were the ones that I think were > associated with me when I was a spousal unit! zanooda: I'm pretty sure you were not that Dreadful, Mike, LOL! I think you are a Decent and Deserving guy :-)! From Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za Fri Aug 29 07:44:27 2008 From: Cairie.Witter at resbank.co.za (Cairie Witter) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:44:27 +0200 Subject: Role Playing Group - please help if possible Message-ID: <48B7C4FB.8FEE.0078.0@resbank.co.za> Hi every one, I saw this e-mail quite a long time ago, in fact, before I had ADSL. Can some one please tell me if this roleplaying group still exists? Who do I have to write to if it still does? http://www.greatestjournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=magic_heals Thanks, Cairie From pickienose1 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 02:49:45 2008 From: pickienose1 at yahoo.com (kathy olsen) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:49:45 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter books Message-ID: Hey I'm trying to follow the topics, ask me anything and I will get back to you. I love the books. I have all 7 books they are great, I'll write again soon, J.K Rowling is the best! Yours truly Kathy From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com Sun Aug 31 12:50:14 2008 From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (JAYNE SMITH) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:50:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Computer Gender !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <826448.13644.qm@web86305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thought you might appreciate this Jayne A SPANISH Teacher was explaining to her class that, in Spanish, unlike English, nouns are designated as either masculine or feminine. 'House' for instance, is feminine: 'la casa.' 'Pencil,' however, is masculine: 'el lapiz.' So, a student asked, 'What gender is 'computer'?' Instead of giving the answer, the teacher split the class into two groups, male and female, and asked them to decide for themselves whether 'computer' should be a masculine or a feminine noun. Each group was asked to give four reasons for its recommendation. The men's group decided that 'computer' should definitely be of the feminine gender ('la computadora' ), because: 1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic. 2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is incomprehensible to everyone else. 3. Even the smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory for possible later retrieval. 4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending half your paycheck on accessories for it. (THIS GETS BETTER!) The women's group, however, concluded that computers should be Masculine ('el computador') , because: 1. In order to do anything with them, you have to turn them on. 2. They have a lot of data but still can't think for themselves. 3. They are supposed to help you solve problems, but half the time they ARE the problem. 4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that if you had waited a little longer, you could have gotten a better model. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Aug 31 17:41:33 2008 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 31 Aug 2008 17:41:33 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 8/31/2008, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1220204493.9.42707.m36@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday August 31, 2008 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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