From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Dec  1 13:22:18 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:22:18 -0000
Subject: "The Boy in Striped Pajamas/Pyjamas"
In-Reply-To: <gfqct8+rome@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gh0oea+pn8a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Just wondering whether anyone has seen the new film "The Boy in
> Stirped Pajamas" ("Pyjamas" in the UK) and, if so, what you think. One
> of the stars is David Thewlis (Lupin) as a Nazi commandant and the
> father of the main character (not the title character).
> 
> I brought up the topic on the Movie list, but only Potioncat seemed
> interested.
> 
Potioncat:
"The Boy in Striped Pajamas" opened in more theaters last week. It's a 
great movie and I highly recommend it. I'd also recommend reading the 
book first or at least to go with the understanding that the PoV is 
that of an 8-year-old boy.

I read Roger Ebert's review and also a review from a San Fransciso 
writer. Both were positive reviews. I particularly agree with Ebert's 
thoughts. (And if I'd had a little forethought, I would have created a 
link. I just googled it.)

My 14-year-old thinks it should be nominated for best picture and best 
music at the Oscars. We saw the movie this weekend, in a theater with 
about 25 other people. That's more than I expected at such a somber 
movie at the beginning of the Christmas season! 







From donnawonna at att.net  Thu Dec  4 11:54:13 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:54:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: Testing
Message-ID: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1>

The list is too quiet!
Donna

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From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec  4 14:02:59 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:02:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Testing
In-Reply-To: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1>
References: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1>
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-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:54 AM
To: HPFGU-OT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Testing

The list is too quiet!
Donna

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There was going to be a ton of talk about Half Blood Prince ... but when I
went on November 21st like the trailer said to, it wasn't playing.

md




From donnawonna at att.net  Thu Dec  4 19:21:48 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:21:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
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The list is too quiet!
Donna

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There was going to be a ton of talk about Half Blood Prince ... but when I
went on November 21st like the trailer said to, it wasn't playing.

md

I believe Warner Bros. decided to release Half-Blood Prince either this
coming June or July.  All I know is, IT STINKS for WB to do this.
Donna

 
 

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From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec  4 20:42:33 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:42:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Half-Blood Prince
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References: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1> <013501c95619$0618f5c0$124ae140$@com> <49382DCC.000004.03928@D8DXG9G1>
Message-ID: <003e01c95650$d77744a0$8665cde0$@com>


md

I believe Warner Bros. decided to release Half-Blood Prince either this
coming June or July.  All I know is, IT STINKS for WB to do this.
Donna

 
 

I was being sarcastic ;-)

The date was, last I saw, July 9th. Back when WB did it I started a petition
to get it released in Nov. It's really all because The Dark Knight made so
much money that WB wanted Potter's profits on next year's balance sheet. 

However, if the early screening reviews are real (posted on the Leaky
Cauldron) they've re-shot or re-edited the ending. All the early screeners
said the battle at the end was gone from the movie, but the new trailers
clearly show the battle at Hogwarts -- Hagrid's hut burning, Harry chasing
snape. This was reported to have all been left out. So, if the one good
thing is that they took early screening reviews seriously and added back
scenes that where important, and missing from the book, then I can forgive
WB.

md




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Dec  4 20:59:55 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Testing
In-Reply-To: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1>
Message-ID: <493844d5.25578c0a.1994.ffff9748@mx.google.com>

[Donna]:
| The list is too quiet!

[Lee]:
Maybe they're all reading Beedle.

Smile,

Lee :-)




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec  4 21:09:39 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:09:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Testing
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References: <4937C4E5.000003.03712@D8DXG9G1> <493844d5.25578c0a.1994.ffff9748@mx.google.com>
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[Lee]:
Maybe they're all reading Beedle.

Smile,

Lee :-)

Just got it, looks like about a 10 minute read. Really, more for the novelty
and because it belongs with the set. But, I thought it was supposed to have
Dumbledores "sidenotes" and comments, I don't see those ... is that only the
$100 edition?

md




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu Dec  4 21:52:09 2008
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:52:09 -0000
Subject: Testing
In-Reply-To: <005f01c95654$a2fb7580$e8f26080$@com>
Message-ID: <gh9je9+913n@eGroups.com>

md:
> Just got it, looks like about a 10 minute read. Really, more for the
novelty and because it belongs with the set. But, I thought it was
supposed to have Dumbledores "sidenotes" and comments, I don't see
those ... is that only the $100 edition?
> 

Pippin:
No, they're after each story, and very amusing they are, too.

Pippin
glad to finally have a definition of "warlock"




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 22:58:29 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:58:29 -0000
Subject: Register your cell phone?/Carol's fruitcakes
In-Reply-To: <ggkamh+tbfs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gh9nal+ppo@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> I checked on snopes.com
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> It said that the email was false.  
> 
> May your Thanksgiving be yummy!  When do you start your fruit cake
baking? 

Carol responds:

Thanks, Kemper. Silly me. I should have checked snopes first! My
Thanksgiving was rather dull, actually. The food was good (all I had
to bake was the pumpkin pies), but everyone had to rush off somewhere
else. Not like the good old days when we sat around playing Trivial
Pursuit or Scrabble after Thanksgiving dinner. The family members who
made it fun are either far away or, sad to say, no longer living. At
least I was with friends and family. Hope yours was wonderful.

I made my fruitcakes the Saturday after Thanksgiving. I cut them in
thirds and mail one third to various people and keep one whole cake
for myself. (It turns out that the cakes were just slightly too large
to send by first-class mail instead of priority. If I'd cut the cakes
in fourths, I'd have saved a lot of money on postage!

I have two more to mail tomorrow. At least those two can go in the
same package.

Carol, whose light fruitcake recipe can be found at 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/33500





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 23:23:33 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:23:33 -0000
Subject: Testing
In-Reply-To: <gh9je9+913n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gh9opl+old4@eGroups.com>

md wrote:
> > Just got it, looks like about a 10 minute read. Really, more for the
> novelty and because it belongs with the set. But, I thought it was
> supposed to have Dumbledores "sidenotes" and comments, I don't see
> those ... is that only the $100 edition?
> > 
> 
Pippin responded:
> No, they're after each story, and very amusing they are, too.
> 
> Pippin
> glad to finally have a definition of "warlock"
>
Carol responds:

Ouch, Pippin! how can you tantalize us like this? Telling us that JKR
has provided the definition of "warlock" and not providing it is like
telling Dudley Dursley that you just ate some fudge when he's on a
diet! Well, not quite that bad since we *could* pop down to the
nearest bookstore and read it for ourselves without buying it. Can you
give us that definition and a couple of the more amusing comments in
the context of a post or a mini-book review? That sort of thing, as
I'm sure you know, falls under fair use and wouldn't violate copyright.

Carol, who doesn't care about the tales themselves but does like DD's
sense of humor




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 23:50:44 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:50:44 -0000
Subject: Testing
In-Reply-To: <gh9opl+old4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gh9qck+uohm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Pippin:
> > glad to finally have a definition of "warlock"
> >
> Carol responds:
> 
> Ouch, Pippin! how can you tantalize us like this? Telling us that JKR
> has provided the definition of "warlock" and not providing it is like
> telling Dudley Dursley that you just ate some fudge when he's on a
> diet! 

Geoff:
Well, it's a bit like "deadlock" except that you are still alive...

Perhaps WB should be Bard from reading the new book.
:-(

Hm. It's 23:50 here; time I went to bed if that's the best I can do.




From donnawonna at att.net  Fri Dec  5 00:21:58 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:21:58 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: Beedle  was  Testing
References: <493844d5.25578c0a.1994.ffff9748@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <49387426.000007.03928@D8DXG9G1>


 
[Donna]:
| The list is too quiet!

[Lee]:
Maybe they're all reading Beedle.

Smile,

Lee :-)


Donna:
I get my copy tomorrow, Friday, Dec. 5 :-)

 
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 01:24:20 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:24:20 -0000
Subject: Beedle WAS: Re: Testing
In-Reply-To: <gh9je9+913n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gh9vs4+fmu2@eGroups.com>

> Pippin:
> No, they're after each story, and very amusing they are, too.
> 
> Pippin
> glad to finally have a definition of "warlock"
>


Alla:

They ARE lovely and amusing too. But I really really enjoyed tales too. 
I mean I grew up with all kinds of fairy tales and yes I agree that 
these are very reminiscent of Brothers Grimm'. Which tale is your 
favourite, Pippin?




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Fri Dec  5 01:27:50 2008
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:27:50 -0000
Subject: Testing
In-Reply-To: <gh9opl+old4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gha02m+si2n@eGroups.com>


> Carol responds:
> 
> Ouch, Pippin! how can you tantalize us like this? Telling us that
JKR has provided the definition of "warlock" and not providing it is
like telling Dudley Dursley that you just ate some fudge when he's on
a diet! 

Pippin:
Bwahahaha!  But here you are, somewhat abbrieviated.

**Spoiler Space***
**More Spoiler Space***
**Still More Spoiler Space***
**And Even More Spoiler Space***

"The term 'warlock' is a very old one. Although it is sometimes used
as interchangeable with "wizard," it originally denoted one learned in
dueling and all martial magic. It was also given as a title to wizards
who had performed feats of bravery, rather as Muggles were sometimes
knighted for acts of valor. 

These days wizards use 'warlock' in one of two ways: to describe a
wizard of unusually fierce appearance, or as a title denoting
particular skill or achievement."

We also find out that Lucius Malfoy's attempts to have Dumbledore
removed as Headmaster were rooted in Lucius's desire to ban "The
Fountain of Fair Fortune" because it promotes wizard/Muggle marriage.
An exchange of letters, two of which are included in the text, marked
"the beginning of Mr. Malfoy's long campaign to have me removed from
my post as headmaster of Hogwarts, and of mine to have him removed
from his position as Lord Voldemort's Favorite Death Eater."


There's a very sly account of the history of the Deathly Hallows, in
which Dumbledore tells much less than he knows, without exactly lying.
Vintage Dumbledore, IMO. You really ought to get the book if you enjoy
the character.

Pippin







From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 04:22:21 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:22:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Testing
In-Reply-To: <gha02m+si2n@eGroups.com>
References: <gh9opl+old4@eGroups.com> <gha02m+si2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0812042022l4d6d8b6fte81c9a72ea7b6588@mail.gmail.com>

Pippin:
> There's a very sly account of the history of the Deathly Hallows, in
> which Dumbledore tells much less than he knows, without exactly lying.
> Vintage Dumbledore, IMO. You really ought to get the book if you enjoy
> the character.

Thanks, Pippin!  I've been hesitating about buying this book just
because I hadn't seen value in it.  (What can I say other than that I
never did forget that "anvil" comment of JKR's from a while back and
it's been downhill for her since - and no, I didn't even sail the ...
Pumpkin Pie ... or is that something I made up because I'm so craving
some right now?)  However, I really loved the sidenotes in the two
schoolbooks, and if there's something similar here (I like classic
Dumbledore), that makes it worth it for me to buy.

Thanks for the brief look at the book!  :)

~Ali, who is sorely tempted to go make an entire pie from scratch
(crust and all) at 11pm on a Thursday because she wants pumpkin badly



From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 06:01:22 2008
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:01:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
In-Reply-To: <49306aef.0906c00a.7539.ffffa2fb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

The first one..."Star Trek: The Motionless Picture", many critic's favorite catch phrase. It did bite. This coming from a woman with a Klingon Empire tattoo on her shoulder.
?
Alex Hogan

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:

From: Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net>
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 4:04 PM






[susanmcgee] :
| I don't know who remembers the description of the original 
| series Star 
| Trek Movies, but the odd numbered movies (particularly 5) tend to be 
| AWFUL...or at least not so good....
| 
| I have a very mild analogy to HP...I LIKE the odd numbered 
| books better 

[Lee]:
Well, I can agree I thought Movies 2 & 4 were fantastic, but I can't say
much that I'd put Movie 6 in that realm. :-)

Out of all, ST2 Wrath Of Khan was my fave and ST4 Voyage Home was Art's. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)

 














      

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From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec  5 06:24:53 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:24:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
In-Reply-To: <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <49306aef.0906c00a.7539.ffffa2fb@mx.google.com> <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c956a2$30862c40$919284c0$@com>

I remember seeing it when it came out, it was just an amazing widescreen
experience, like 2001.

The new DVD is also very nice, the enhanced special effects are cool because
they are not "new" like Star Wars but just completed effects that couldn't
be done when it was filmed.

It's not my favorite, but I still watch it and I still like it.

md

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hogan
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:01 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?

The first one..."Star Trek: The Motionless Picture", many critic's favorite
catch phrase. It did bite. This coming from a woman with a Klingon Empire
tattoo on her shoulder.
?
Alex Hogan

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net>
wrote:

From: Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net>
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 28, 




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 08:50:38 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:50:38 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <003e01c95650$d77744a0$8665cde0$@com>
Message-ID: <ghaq0u+5647@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
<snip> 
> However, if the early screening reviews are real (posted on the 
Leaky
> Cauldron) they've re-shot or re-edited the ending. All the early 
screeners
> said the battle at the end was gone from the movie, but the new 
trailers
> clearly show the battle at Hogwarts -- Hagrid's hut burning, Harry 
chasing
> snape. This was reported to have all been left out. So, if the one 
good
> thing is that they took early screening reviews seriously and added 
back
> scenes that where important, and missing from the book, then I can 
forgive
> WB.
> 
> md
>

All those scenes were in the screened movie.  There is no battle 
*inside* Hogwarts, just the DEs and Snape getting the heck out of 
there. Being chased by Harry, of course, and on the way passed 
Hagrid's hut torching it for the fun of it.

Lizzie 





From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec  5 14:04:52 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:04:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
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References: <003e01c95650$d77744a0$8665cde0$@com> <ghaq0u+5647@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c956e2$745b7c00$5d127400$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lizzie_snape
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 3:51 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince


All those scenes were in the screened movie.  There is no battle 
*inside* Hogwarts, just the DEs and Snape getting the heck out of 
there. Being chased by Harry, of course, and on the way passed 
Hagrid's hut torching it for the fun of it.

Lizzie 


The "review" I read had Harry not leaving the castle, not chasing Snape. The
person said it ended on the tower and that they did not show Hagrid's hut
being burned down. I'm okay with there not being a big battle in Hogwarts
because Rowling writes that there was one, but only shows a tiny piece as
Harry runs after Snape. 

I do think not having the funeral was a bad idea. I think after having a
major character die at the end of a film (especially one with a "to be
continued" at the end) and not spending a few moments for the audience to
take it in is a bad idea. Plus, having the funeral in the book, and having
Harry decide not to return to Hogwarts at the funeral, helped set up the
reality that Hogwarts was over and the last story is going to be different.
Plus, if they have Voldy steal the elderwand in the last film we should see
Dumbledore's marble casket at the end of HBP so there's a connection with
the audience visually in the last film when Voldy goes there.

md




From klewellen at shellworld.net  Fri Dec  5 17:40:24 2008
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:40:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
In-Reply-To: <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0812051237200.42319@server1.shellworld.net>

oh huge original series fan here, including the films.
You know star Trek the motion  picture has grown on me over the years?
Certainly has the best film score.
For what it was supposed to do, it worked far better than say the dreadful 
star trek 5.
Karen

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Alex Hogan wrote:

> The first one..."Star Trek: The Motionless Picture", many critic's favorite catch phrase. It did bite. This coming from a woman with a Klingon Empire tattoo on her shoulder.
> ?
> Alex Hogan
>
> --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force <n2fgc at arrl.net>
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 4:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [susanmcgee] :
> | I don't know who remembers the description of the original
> | series Star
> | Trek Movies, but the odd numbered movies (particularly 5) tend to be
> | AWFUL...or at least not so good....
> |
> | I have a very mild analogy to HP...I LIKE the odd numbered
> | books better
>
> [Lee]:
> Well, I can agree I thought Movies 2 & 4 were fantastic, but I can't say
> much that I'd put Movie 6 in that realm. :-)
>
> Out of all, ST2 Wrath Of Khan was my fave and ST4 Voyage Home was Art's. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lee :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:14:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Harry Potter Weekend
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From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec  6 03:11:08 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:11:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.64.0812051237200.42319@server1.shellworld.net>
References: <88920.52187.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <Pine.BSF.4.64.0812051237200.42319@server1.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <013001c95750$4ca483a0$e5ed8ae0$@com>

I watch V as a joke, knowing it's silly. 

Scotty "I know this ship like the back of my hand." 

Bang!

There's some funny moments. I think Shatner was out follow up IV with
another funny film, but missed that IV was genuinely funny and V was
slapstick, and not in a good way. Still, I've learned to enjoy it as a silly
mistake. Spocks reaction to "row, row your boat" is classic.

md

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:40 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] any star trek original series movie fans?

oh huge original series fan here, including the films.
You know star Trek the motion  picture has grown on me over the years?
Certainly has the best film score.
For what it was supposed to do, it worked far better than say the dreadful 
star trek 5.
Karen




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  6 05:53:30 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:53:30 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe in December Vogue
Message-ID: <ghd40q+duho@eGroups.com>

Has any one seen the latest issue of Vogue?  WOW!!  Little Harry Potter 
is now one handsome sexy hunk!!!  I did a double take since I didn't 
realize who it was at first. He is going to be one very sexy leading 
man in years to come. All his clothes on too. I think that is sexier 
anyway.

Emma is in this issue too.

Tonks_op
dirty old lady ;-)




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  6 06:02:34 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:02:34 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <49382DCC.000004.03928@D8DXG9G1>
Message-ID: <ghd4hq+huvr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donnawonna at ...> 
wrote:
> 
> There was going to be a ton of talk about Half Blood Prince ... 
but when I went on November 21st like the trailer said to, it wasn't 
playing.
> 
> md
> 
> I believe Warner Bros. decided to release Half-Blood Prince either 
this coming June or July.  All I know is, IT STINKS for WB to do 
this.
> Donna


Tonks:
I have been ****** about this for some time. And especially now. It 
has distroyed my business. I hate WB. There is nothing they can do 
to make this up, I don't care how good the film is when it comes 
out. Maybe someday, when I write a book, they can do the movie.. I 
can dream, can't I?... and believe me I will make them PAY for all 
of the grief they have caused me over the past 8 years!! I agree WB 
sucks!!!

Tonks_op




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec  6 06:25:57 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:25:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghd4hq+huvr@eGroups.com>
References: <49382DCC.000004.03928@D8DXG9G1> <ghd4hq+huvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c9576b$81dcacd0$85960670$@com>

Your business?

Just curious.

md

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tonks
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:03 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince



Tonks:
I have been ****** about this for some time. And especially now. It 
has distroyed my business. I hate WB. There is nothing they can do 
to make this up, I don't care how good the film is when it comes 
out. Maybe someday, when I write a book, they can do the movie.. I 
can dream, can't I?... and believe me I will make them PAY for all 
of the grief they have caused me over the past 8 years!! I agree WB 
sucks!!!

Tonks_op




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Sat Dec  6 18:02:04 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:02:04 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghd4hq+huvr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gheems+m3bs@eGroups.com>


> 
> 
> Tonks:
> I have been ****** about this for some time. And especially now. It 
> has distroyed my business. I hate WB. There is nothing they can do 
> to make this up, I don't care how good the film is when it comes 
> out. Maybe someday, when I write a book, they can do the movie.. I 
> can dream, can't I?... and believe me I will make them PAY for all 
> of the grief they have caused me over the past 8 years!! I agree WB 
> sucks!!!
> 
> Tonks_op
>


Anne Squires:

I'm curious.  What is / was you business?  How / what did WB do to
destroy it?  Is WB solely responsible for its destruction?  Why would
they do that?  





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 07:33:28 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:33:28 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <gheems+m3bs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghfu88+2c2h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "anne_t_squires" 
<tfaucette6387 at ...> wrote:
> Anne Squires:
> 
> I'm curious.  What is / was you business?  How / what did WB do to
> destroy it?  Is WB solely responsible for its destruction?  Why would
> they do that?
>

Tonks:

Just ignore me. Long story. Ranting. Lets just talk about Daniel 
Radcliffe instead.





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 07:58:32 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:58:32 -0000
Subject: It is Christmas time again!  Come out and play...
Message-ID: <ghfvn8+7gon@eGroups.com>

So people think the list is too quiet hey??  Well it is time for our 
yearly "I hate Christmas", "No I don't!", "Just say Happy 
Holidays", "no it is Christmas!"... bar brawl. Is the Hogshead Barmaid 
around to monitor? 

Just heard some guy on talk radio, forgot his name.. Anyway he was 
commenting on some college taking the Christmas tree out of the Library 
when they had had one for years because a few people found it 
offensive. He said that 85% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Some, he 
said, do it religiously, and many just enjoy the time for family, cheer 
and a way to show love to others. He said that the consitution does not 
guarantee that we will not be offended. Everyone is offended by 
something everyday, he said. Then he went on to say "for the minority 
who find Christmas offensive, just "shut the hell up, and suck it up". 
I am just quoiting the man here, so don't yell at me... I'll have a 
butter beer please, and a round for everyone....

Tonks_op
(wicked smile)




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Dec  7 12:09:08 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:09:08 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghfu88+2c2h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghged4+oomd@eGroups.com>

 
> Tonks:
> 
> Just ignore me. Long story. Ranting. Lets just talk about Daniel 
> Radcliffe instead.
>
Potioncat:
So, did anyone see the interview with Daniel on "Inside the Actors' 
Studio"? I caught the last 20 minutes or so. He was quite charming and 
thoughtful. I'm trying to find out if it will be re-broadcast.






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 14:57:30 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:57:30 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghged4+oomd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghgo8q+3scq@eGroups.com>

> Potioncat:
> So, did anyone see the interview with Daniel on "Inside the Actors' 
> Studio"? I caught the last 20 minutes or so. He was quite charming
and thoughtful. I'm trying to find out if it will be re-broadcast.

Kemper now:
Here's the first part on YouTube: 
http://tinyurl.com/danradpart1

I'm sure you can find the rest from there :D

Kemper





From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  7 17:17:16 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:17:16 -0000
Subject: It is Christmas time again!  Come out and play...
In-Reply-To: <ghfvn8+7gon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghh0es+dne6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> So people think the list is too quiet hey??  Well it is time for 
our 
> yearly "I hate Christmas", "No I don't!", "Just say Happy 
> Holidays", "no it is Christmas!"... bar brawl. Is the Hogshead 
Barmaid 
> around to monitor? 
> 
> Just heard some guy on talk radio, forgot his name.. Anyway he was 
> commenting on some college taking the Christmas tree out of the 
Library 
> when they had had one for years because a few people found it 
> offensive. He said that 85% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Some, 
he 
> said, do it religiously, and many just enjoy the time for family, 
cheer 
> and a way to show love to others. He said that the consitution does 
not 
> guarantee that we will not be offended. Everyone is offended by 
> something everyday, he said. Then he went on to say "for the 
minority 
> who find Christmas offensive, just "shut the hell up, and suck it 
up". 
> I am just quoiting the man here, so don't yell at me... I'll have a 
> butter beer please, and a round for everyone....

Magpie:
Is there some special newsfeed talk radio hosts have that feed them 
constant stories about any time somebody removes anything Christmas-
related from anywhere?

-m




From donnawonna at att.net  Sun Dec  7 17:39:40 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:39:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Subject: Reply - [HPFGU-OTChatter] It is Christmas time again!  Come out and play...
References: <ghfvn8+7gon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <493C0A5C.000049.03324@D8DXG9G1>

Donna says:
Tonks, I have to agree with the radio guy fully and completely.  I am NOT
religious and most definitely NOT Christian - if asked, I'm a Nature Lover
(Pagan) - but I still love the Christmas season for all that's it's worth. 
I put up a Christmas tree and decorations.  I buy, make, and give Christmas
gifts.  I send out Christmas cards AND I wish everyone a Merry Christmas.  I
inwardly smile because just about all Christmas traditions are pagan.  I
love the time of the year and bright decorations.  The music is some of the
best (especial Elvis, Imo).  I like the fact that people, as a rule, are
more friendly and smiles are everywhere.  I thrive on the energy in the air.
 It's a healthy time for me in all area.  To add to the radio commentator's
comments about "sucking it up", to those offended by Christmas, I would like
to quote something I've heard since I was a tween, "Go ye forth and multiple
by thy self".  (For those that might need a translation of that quote,
contact me off list.)

As far as being offended goes, yes, I'm offended (and offend) every day by
something or other but I respect others' thoughts, wishes, rights, beliefs,
etc., so I shrug the offence off as my problem.


So people think the list is too quiet hey?? Well it is time for our 
yearly "I hate Christmas", "No I don't!", "Just say Happy 
Holidays", "no it is Christmas!"... bar brawl. Is the Hogshead Barmaid 
around to monitor? 

Just heard some guy on talk radio, forgot his name.. Anyway he was 
commenting on some college taking the Christmas tree out of the Library 
when they had had one for years because a few people found it 
offensive. He said that 85% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Some, he 
said, do it religiously, and many just enjoy the time for family, cheer 
and a way to show love to others. He said that the consitution does not 
guarantee that we will not be offended. Everyone is offended by 
something everyday, he said. Then he went on to say "for the minority 
who find Christmas offensive, just "shut the hell up, and suck it up". 
I am just quoiting the man here, so don't yell at me... I'll have a 
butter beer please, and a round for everyone....

Tonks_op
(wicked smile)


 
 

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From md at exit-reality.com  Sun Dec  7 17:50:18 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:50:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It is Christmas time again!  Come out and play...
In-Reply-To: <ghfvn8+7gon@eGroups.com>
References: <ghfvn8+7gon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c95894$46e77db0$d4b67910$@com>

As an atheist I have no issue with Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah or anything
else. If a Christian wishes me merry Christmas or a Jew wishes me happy
Chanuka, I don't care. We have a Christmas tree, just because I don't
believe in the religious aspects doesn't mean I can't spend time with
family, give my kids presents and decorate with lights -- where's the
downside???

My mother-in-law has a menorah she lights with my kids and she's not Jewish,
but this way they get to experience more than most kids, even though we
don't actually have any religious aspect, they understand that some people
do.

The problem is that everyone wants to be extremist. The people who want
tress removed and the radio idiot that says "suck it up" like people are
going to respond positively to that. A lot of places simply display a
Christmas tree and a Menorah -- the pagans can bask in the fact that
Christmas is mostly pagan anyway and just ignore the Christ aspects the
church added to it. We, for example, do not have angles or anything
religious on our tree. 

What we need is not, take down the tree or "suck it up" but respect others.

md

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tonks
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:59 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] It is Christmas time again! Come out and play...

So people think the list is too quiet hey??  Well it is time for our 
yearly "I hate Christmas", "No I don't!", "Just say Happy 
Holidays", "no it is Christmas!"... bar brawl. Is the Hogshead Barmaid 
around to monitor? 

Just heard some guy on talk radio, forgot his name.. Anyway he was 
commenting on some college taking the Christmas tree out of the Library 
when they had had one for years because a few people found it 
offensive. He said that 85% of Americans celebrate Christmas. Some, he 
said, do it religiously, and many just enjoy the time for family, cheer 
and a way to show love to others. He said that the consitution does not 
guarantee that we will not be offended. Everyone is offended by 
something everyday, he said. Then he went on to say "for the minority 
who find Christmas offensive, just "shut the hell up, and suck it up". 
I am just quoiting the man here, so don't yell at me... I'll have a 
butter beer please, and a round for everyone....

Tonks_op
(wicked smile)


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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 18:12:13 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:12:13 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghged4+oomd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghh3lt+t4ji@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:

> So, did anyone see the interview with Daniel on "Inside the Actors' 
> Studio"? I caught the last 20 minutes or so. He was quite charming 
> and thoughtful. 


zanooda:

I watched it all (totally by accident - I didn't know it was on :-)). I 
don't like him in HP movies, so I wasn't really interested and didn't 
intend to watch, but after about a couple of minutes the whole thing 
sucked me in :-). The boy is absolutely charming, very articulate, 
funny, humble and polite. I guess, nothing will change my opinion about 
his acting in HP, but I absolutely loved him in this show. I also think 
he might be good at comedy. 




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Dec  7 18:41:56 2008
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Date: 7 Dec 2008 18:41:56 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/7/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 18:47:10 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:47:10 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghh3lt+t4ji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghh5ne+abc6@eGroups.com>

> zanooda:
> 
> I watched it all (totally by accident - I didn't know it was on :-)). 
I 
> don't like him in HP movies, so I wasn't really interested and didn't 
> intend to watch, but after about a couple of minutes the whole thing 
> sucked me in :-). The boy is absolutely charming, very articulate, 
> funny, humble and polite. I guess, nothing will change my opinion 
about 
> his acting in HP, but I absolutely loved him in this show. I also 
think 
> he might be good at comedy.
>


Alla:

Just out of curiosity, not trying to change your mind or anything, but 
just wondering. You do not think he significantly improved in OOP ( 
starting from the end of GoF)?

Because I totally understand when people say that they do not like his 
acting in first three movies, I did not either. I did not think there 
was much of it lol.

However yes I think he improved a lot and the interviews I read, yes I 
like how he presents himself a lot. And he **reads books*, always a big 
plus with me lol.




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 19:23:27 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:23:27 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghh3lt+t4ji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghh7rf+9qhc@eGroups.com>


> zanooda:
> 
> I watched it all (totally by accident - I didn't know it was on :-)). I 
> don't like him in HP movies, so I wasn't really interested and didn't 
> intend to watch, but after about a couple of minutes the whole thing 
> sucked me in :-). The boy is absolutely charming, very articulate, 
> funny, humble and polite. I guess, nothing will change my opinion
about his acting in HP, but I absolutely loved him in this show. I
also think he might be good at comedy.


Kemper now:
I thought similarly, but I've changed my mind.
And he's great at comedy.  His appearance in the HBO series, Extras,
is great!  So is Ian McKellen!!!

Kemper 





From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 03:11:06 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:11:06 -0000
Subject: Inside the Actors' Studio - was Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghged4+oomd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghi38a+cff7@eGroups.com>

I love Alan Rickman's comment about Dan's appearance on the show.  
Something along the lines of:

"Wait, he's 12!  Oh, maybe not."

Yeah, Alan, time really flies!

Lizzie




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 04:11:42 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:11:42 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghh5ne+abc6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghi6pu+582m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:

> You do not think he significantly improved in OOP (starting from
> the end of GoF)?

zanooda:

Oh, yes, Alla, of course, no doubt that he improved a lot :-). He
still doesn't act the way I would want a Harry actor to act :-), but 
certainly his acting is so much better now than in the first movies,
where some scenes were just painful to watch ;-(. Experience means a
great deal, I guess :-).

I kind of blame the directors too, you know :-). Sure, I would prefer
if they cast some really talented boy, with a lot of screen presence,
but they also need to know how to work with the actors that they for
some reason chose. 

Not every kid actor is some - I don't know - Haley Joel Osment or
Dakota Fanning, but a part of a director's job is to be aware of an
actor's fortes and limitations and to show him on the screen in the
most favorable light.

For instance, take Chris Columbus's movies - there are way too many
scenes that consist of very long close-ups of Harry's face, which is
supposed to show some kind of emotion, without any lines to say. Don't
the director understand that he cast not the most brilliant actor, who
just can't hold such a scene? Cut it short, Chris, cut it short before
viewers become embarrassed for the the poor kid. I know I did, many
times, just looking at his expressionless (although incredibly cute)
face :-)).

Another thing - why are they all determined to make Harry cry? I
suppose it's not easy to cry even for a very talented male actor (it's
much easier for us women :-)), so what's the need to make cry someone
who obviously can't do it? It's not even from the book! Every time my
son watches PoA on TV, and I happen to see the scene where Harry
"cries", I just avert my eyes - that's how embarrassed I feel.

I also want to say that I didn't intend to start a discussion about
Dan's acting abilities :-). I know he has a lot of very passionate
fans, and I really don't want to upset anybody. All I said is just my
personal opinion, and I don't even insist that it is a correct one
:-). Besides, as I said, I like Dan's personality and I find him, to
use DD's words, "an engaging child", LOL.





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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Harry Potter weekend up~date
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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 20:27:13 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:27:13 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghi6pu+582m@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214"
> <dumbledore11214@> wrote:

Alla: 
> > You do not think he significantly improved in OOP (starting from
> > the end of GoF)?
 
zanooda: 
> Oh, yes, Alla, of course, no doubt that he improved a lot :-). He
> still doesn't act the way I would want a Harry actor to act :-), but 
> certainly his acting is so much better now than in the first movies,
> where some scenes were just painful to watch ;-(. Experience means a
> great deal, I guess :-).

> I kind of blame the directors too, you know :-). Sure, I would prefer
> if they cast some really talented boy, with a lot of screen presence,
> but they also need to know how to work with the actors that they for
> some reason chose. 

Geoff: 
I get the feeling that you are looking at this in hindsight rather than 
considering first impressions. How would they necessarily know that 
they had some really talented boy? There were thousands of applicants
all aged 10-11 and only a very few can, at that age, have shown acting 
prowess. Dan came into the auditions with previous experience. I 
remember seeing him in the BBC adaptation of David Copperfield in 
1999 when he played young David and being quite taken with him 
then. That certainly would have earned him a few Brownie points in 
the tests.

zanooda:
> Not every kid actor is some - I don't know - Haley Joel Osment or
> Dakota Fanning, but a part of a director's job is to be aware of an
> actor's fortes and limitations and to show him on the screen in the
> most favorable light.
> 
> For instance, take Chris Columbus's movies - there are way too many
> scenes that consist of very long close-ups of Harry's face, which is
> supposed to show some kind of emotion, without any lines to say. Don't
> the director understand that he cast not the most brilliant actor, who
> just can't hold such a scene? Cut it short, Chris, cut it short before
> viewers become embarrassed for the the poor kid. I know I did, many
> times, just looking at his expressionless (although incredibly cute)
> face :-)).

Geoff:
But you could say that of almost every young actor in "Philosopher's 
Stone". Kids of that age, even keen ones, can find that letting themselves 
go fully into the part doesn't come easily and this is a reflection of real 
life where children will often demonstrate na?vety in a situation in which 
they do not feel entirely in control.

There are many instances in the early films where, in addition to Dan 
many of the other young actors were seen as stilted and wooden. For 
example, Rupert Grint has been on the receiving end of this criticism 
more than once.
 
zanooda:
> Another thing - why are they all determined to make Harry cry? I
> suppose it's not easy to cry even for a very talented male actor (it's
> much easier for us women :-)), so what's the need to make cry someone
> who obviously can't do it? It's not even from the book! Every time my
> son watches PoA on TV, and I happen to see the scene where Harry
> "cries", I just avert my eyes - that's how embarrassed I feel.

Geoff:
Well, as I have said on several occasions over on Main, that due to the 
dratted UK idea of drumming into  lads that "boys don't cry". I have 
suffered from that problem all my life. I can remember wondering what 
was wrong with me when I found it difficult to let my emotions out when 
my mother died in 1983; a colleague (obviously female) in whom I felt 
able to confide, made that precise point. We find it difficult to cry; 
therefore, we find it difficult to simulate.

I do agree with you that the particular scene you mentioned in "Prisoner 
of Azkaban" also carries a large cringe factor for me. But it's not the only 
one in the series. Another set of scenes I always tend to avoid in 
"Chamber of Secrets" are the Dobby scenes. In the book, I love his 
character - but the films......  nuff said.

zanooda: 
> I also want to say that I didn't intend to start a discussion about
> Dan's acting abilities :-). I know he has a lot of very passionate
> fans, and I really don't want to upset anybody. All I said is just my
> personal opinion, and I don't even insist that it is a correct one
> :-). Besides, as I said, I like Dan's personality and I find him, to
> use DD's words, "an engaging child", LOL.

Geoff:
I have seen most of his output. I saw "My Boy Jack" last year but 
haven't been able to watch the DVD. This is not his fault but the 
fact that the story, a true one, was so gut-wrenching that I felt 
moved to tears and the "men don't cry" syndrome led me to put 
it back on the shelf each time I pick it up. But he did a good job.

I saw him in the London production of "Equus" and was greatly 
enthused by the whole production - more than the film version 
which I had previously watched.

Apart from Dan's acting ability, something that has impressed 
me about so many of the young actors in the HP series - and in 
other films involving younger people - is that, in interview, they 
nearly all come over as grounded, sensible people with a clear 
sense of their strengths and weaknesses. They often have the 
knack of being able to laugh at themselves and realise how 
fortunate they have been unlike some famous names who acquired 
brattishness as they received fan acclaim and lost their charm and 
sincerity as a result.







From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 23:04:54 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:04:54 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghjvv1+9503@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghk96m+i1or@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:

> How would they necessarily know that they had some really 
> talented boy? There were thousands of applicants
> all aged 10-11 and only a very few can, at that age, have shown 
> acting prowess. 


zanooda:

I think you are right (kind of :-)), but doesn't it show that I'm 
also right when I say that it's a director's job to know how to work 
with actors, all kinds of actors? Can't he squeeze *one* second of a 
facial expression out of a kid actor and then show *only* this one 
second on the screen, not ten seconds of an expressionless face? 
Can't he *not* include in the movie a crying scene which is so 
ackward to watch, and which is not even supposed to be there?


> Geoff wrote: 

> But you could say that of almost every young actor 
> in "Philosopher's Stone".


zanooda:

But I don't care much about the others :-). Of course I would like 
them to be good, but it was Harry whom I came to the theater to see, 
and I really wanted to like him as much as I liked him in the book.


> Geoff wrote:

> There are many instances in the early films where, in addition to 
> Dan many of the other young actors were seen as stilted and wooden. 
> For example, Rupert Grint has been on the receiving end of this 
> criticism more than once.


zanooda:

I, on the contrary, think that Rupert had much less such moments than 
Dan and Emma. Again, this is my personal impression that differs from 
other people's impressions :-). I believe that Rupert Grint is the 
most naturally gifted from all the three. It's a shame the directors 
underuse him so.


> Geoff wrote:

> Well, as I have said on several occasions over on Main, that 
> due to the dratted UK idea of drumming into  lads that "boys 
> don't cry". 


zanooda:

I don't mind boys crying per se, but I *do* mind a director making a 
boy actor who can't cry convincingly cry on screen in a scene where 
he is not even supposed to cry :-). All those crying scenes are not 
in the book! Although I wouldn't mind them if they were convincing.


> Geoff wrote:
 
> Another set of scenes I always tend to avoid in 
> "Chamber of Secrets" are the Dobby scenes.


zanooda:

Me too, Geoff, me too :-). Some other things that I just can't watch 
in PoA - those hanging heads and Tom from the Leaky Cauldron. Yuck! 
BTW, Moaning Myrtle makes me cringe too, although most people that I 
know think she is adorable :-). All this is very individual, it seems.


> Geoff wrote:

> I have seen most of his output. 


zanooda:

I don't expect you watched that interview on "Actor's studio"? They 
showed some funny scene from somewhere (I had to go to the kitchen 
for a second, so I don't know what it was :-)), and I rather liked 
him in it.






From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 23:29:52 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:29:52 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghk96m+i1or@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghkalg+32bm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

Geoff: 
> > I have seen most of his output. 
 
> zanooda: 
> I don't expect you watched that interview on "Actor's studio"? They 
> showed some funny scene from somewhere (I had to go to the kitchen 
> for a second, so I don't know what it was :-)), and I rather liked 
> him in it.


Geoff:
I've just watched the whole thing on a U-Tube link tonight. Great - 
very typically Dan. Slightly deadpan London humour in places.

Course, I like him for being a Londoner. 
:-)

I'm not but for over 40 years I lived only about 2 miles from 
where his family live which perhaps makes me an adopted 
citizen of "The Smoke"






From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec  9 01:55:55 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:55:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
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References: <ghjvv1+9503@eGroups.com> <ghk96m+i1or@eGroups.com>
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All the actors are perfect.

They can't fit what you imagine in your head when you read, cause everyone
imagines something slightly different.

Love all the actors, they fit the roles perfect. I'm really certain that by
the fifth book Rowling was writing thinking of the actors.

md

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From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 04:04:24 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:04:24 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghjvv1+9503@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghkqo8+hnip@eGroups.com>

> Geoff:
> I have seen most of his output. I saw "My Boy Jack" last year but 
> haven't been able to watch the DVD. This is not his fault but the 
> fact that the story, a true one, was so gut-wrenching that I felt 
> moved to tears and the "men don't cry" syndrome led me to put 
> it back on the shelf each time I pick it up. But he did a good job.
> 
> I saw him in the London production of "Equus" and was greatly 
> enthused by the whole production - more than the film version 
> which I had previously watched.

Magpie:
I admit there's pretty much nobody I liked from the HP films, but I 
only saw the first two. Watching clips of OotP I thought scenes with 
the adult actors seemed like a totally different film and the kids 
were mostly still making me cringe. I still don't much like DR in 
other things I've seen, including My Boy Jack (I found both the story 
and his performance pretty uninspiring). For those reasons I was glad 
I liked him in Equus more than I thought I was going to, but he 
didn't wow me. 

Still, when it comes to kids acting that really is up to the director 
so even though I don't like the kids in the early movies especially I 
put that more on the director than the kids. And that actually holds 
true as they become teenagers too. There are child actors who are 
very good but acting as a child is very different than acting like an 
adult--the latter is harder imo. DR seems to be really putting an 
effort to learn the craft so I admire him for that. I remember 
watching one scene for OotP where I thought it was painful just 
watching some of those kids try to work with their wands. They didn't 
sell it at all.

-m




From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 04:10:37 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:10:37 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghk96m+i1or@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghkr3t+3tjo@eGroups.com>

> zanooda:
> 
> I, on the contrary, think that Rupert had much less such moments than 
> Dan and Emma. Again, this is my personal impression that differs from 
> other people's impressions :-). I believe that Rupert Grint is the 
> most naturally gifted from all the three. It's a shame the directors 
> underuse him so.

Magpie:
Have to say that from what I've seen he's the one I like the most too. 
Maybe it's because he's used less so he's got less time to show how 
much he's trying to act, but his lines usually come across more 
naturally to me. Where as I can remember watching a recent scene with 
EW where she just could not handle a transitional moment. I honestly 
get the impression that they spend more time on special effects (that 
arent' always that great), then they have this cast of incredibly 
professional adults and then the kids are just left to flounder on 
their own.

-m




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 04:31:59 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:31:59 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <007901c959a1$468fdd90$d3af98b0$@com>
Message-ID: <ghksbv+cp9n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> Love all the actors, they fit the roles perfect. 


LOL! I don't really like any of the actors :-). Oh, wait, I love Jason 
Isaacs(sp?), although this is not how I imagined Lucius Malfoy from the 
book at all. Strange, isn't it? 


zanooda, definitely not an HP movies fan ... :-).




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 08:05:35 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:05:35 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghksbv+cp9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghl8sf+siqj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:

Cabal: 
> > Love all the actors, they fit the roles perfect. 

zanooda: 
> LOL! I don't really like any of the actors :-). Oh, wait, I love Jason 
> Isaacs(sp?), although this is not how I imagined Lucius Malfoy from the 
> book at all. Strange, isn't it? 
 
> zanooda, definitely not an HP movies fan ... :-).

Geoff:
Well, as the French put it: "chacun ? son go?t"
<shrugs shoulders in 'Allo 'Allo style>







From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec  9 13:20:35 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:20:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
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I don't know which books you read. I read them and Rowling describes him
exactly the way he is on screen.

I can't imagine being so jaded against actors, I can't imagine what would
have made you happy. From the first film I thought they cast the film about
perfectly, I couldn't think of one choice I'd change except the original
director -- and since Columbus is gone, I've been very happy with the films.

md

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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> Love all the actors, they fit the roles perfect. 


LOL! I don't really like any of the actors :-). Oh, wait, I love Jason 
Isaacs(sp?), although this is not how I imagined Lucius Malfoy from the 
book at all. Strange, isn't it? 


zanooda, definitely not an HP movies fan ... :-).


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From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  9 14:46:00 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:46:00 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> I don't know which books you read. I read them and Rowling 
describes him
> exactly the way he is on screen.
> 
> I can't imagine being so jaded against actors, I can't imagine what 
would
> have made you happy. From the first film I thought they cast the 
film about
> perfectly, I couldn't think of one choice I'd change except the 
original
> director -- and since Columbus is gone, I've been very happy with 
the films.

Magpie:
I don't think she's necessarily jaded against all actors, she just 
didn't like the casting choices in these movie. Maybe she didn't 
picture Lucius with the long hair and the cane? I think he (and most 
of the adult actors, actually) is very well cast, but I can easily 
imagine somebody not imagining that particular "look" for Lucius.

-m




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 15:16:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:16:59 -0000
Subject: New 'Inside Actors Studio' Clips - Dan Radcliffe
Message-ID: <ghm25b+rdka@eGroups.com>

I posted this in the movie forum, but it seems pretty quiet there,
so I'm posting it here too.

There are four new clips from Dan's appearance on 'Inside the 
Actor's Studio'. These are not the same disjointed clips that 
have been previously available. These are four continuous 9.5 
minute each clips and are very good.

The first is here under the title -

"Inside the Actors Studio Part 1 (of 4 videos) Dan Radcliffe"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbVy-p5_NQ&feature=related

And the remaining segments can be found in the 'Related Videos'
section on the same page.

Very good interview.

Steve/bluewizard





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 15:50:59 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:50:59 -0000
Subject: New 'Inside Actors Studio' Clips - Dan Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: <ghm25b+rdka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghm453+v69g@eGroups.com>

> Steve:
> I posted this in the movie forum, but it seems pretty quiet there,
> so I'm posting it here too.
> 
> There are four new clips from Dan's appearance on 'Inside the 
> Actor's Studio'. These are not the same disjointed clips that 
> have been previously available. These are four continuous 9.5 
> minute each clips and are very good.
> 
> The first is here under the title -
> 
> "Inside the Actors Studio Part 1 (of 4 videos) Dan Radcliffe"
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbVy-p5_NQ&feature=related

Kemper now:
Hey Steve, where you been?  We've been discussing Dan (and others).
I linked to the interview here 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38163
if you want to join the discussion as some are or imply that members
interpretations are wrong and/or put words that aren't in members'
posts as others are.

:D
Kemper







From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec  9 15:58:37 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:58:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:46 AM
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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince


Magpie:
I don't think she's necessarily jaded against all actors, she just 
didn't like the casting choices in these movie. Maybe she didn't 
picture Lucius with the long hair and the cane? I think he (and most 
of the adult actors, actually) is very well cast, but I can easily 
imagine somebody not imagining that particular "look" for Lucius.

-m

md:

I wasn't trying to be confrontational. But seriously, who else would you
cast? And why would they be better?

md




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  9 18:29:42 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:29:42 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghkr3t+3tjo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghmdem+b64l@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> > I believe that Rupert Grint is the most naturally gifted from all 
> > the three. It's a shame the directors underuse him so.

Magpie:
> Have to say that from what I've seen he's the one I like the most 
> too. Maybe it's because he's used less so he's got less time to 
> show how much he's trying to act, but his lines usually come across 
> more naturally to me. 


SSSusan:
I think it's not so much that Rupert is less seen/used as it is that 
he truly is the more naturally gifted.  Why do I say this?  Because I 
think of his interviews where, let's face it, he doesn't come across 
in a very animated way, nor as exceptionally intellectual. ;)  In 
fact, Rupert appears rather shy and as if he had nothing of import to 
share.  

Yet, when he's on screen, he *is* able to relay those kinds of 
things.  I'm thinking right now of the scene in GoF where Maggie 
Smith calls him out to be her partner when describing the Yule Ball.  
The discomfort on his face when he has to dance with her, the way he 
starts to flip off Fred & George when they begin the ribbing -- it's 
all spot on.  Similarly, the way he shoots daggers at Harry a couple 
of other times early in GoF -- it doesn't feel like watching play-
acting nor watching an amateur; he pulls it off, imo.

Now, Dan I adore as Dan.  His intelligence, charm and wit come 
through loud and clear.  He has a confidence and just a presence that 
is impressive for someone his age.  All of this has made me *expect* 
him to improve over the years and across the films.  This I think he 
has done.  Still, it's been more "just there" for Rupert from the get-
go, I think.

As to under-using Rupert, I agree.  I blame Steve Kloves for much of 
that.  Making Super!Hermione (ugh) and having her take away primo Ron 
lines (such as "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us, 
too") AND Harry lines & actions (e.g., all the stuff while time-
turning that HARRY actually realized or said, which was given to 
Hermione) drives me nuts, and it means we get less of Rupert.  I hope 
the return of Kloves for HBP and beyond doesn't signal a return of 
this tendency!

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 20:46:31 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:46:31 -0000
Subject: New 'Inside Actors Studio' Clips - Dan Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: <ghm25b+rdka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghmlf7+jfp6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> I posted this in the movie forum, but it seems pretty quiet there,
> so I'm posting it here too.
> 
> There are four new clips from Dan's appearance on 'Inside the 
> Actor's Studio'. These are not the same disjointed clips that 
> have been previously available. These are four continuous 9.5 
> minute each clips and are very good.
> 
> The first is here under the title -
> 
> "Inside the Actors Studio Part 1 (of 4 videos) Dan Radcliffe"
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KRbVy-p5_NQ&feature=related
> 
> And the remaining segments can be found in the 'Related Videos'
> section on the same page.
> 
> Very good interview.
> 
> Steve/bluewizard

Geoff:
These are indeed the clips to which I made reference in post 38176.






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 21:37:49 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:37:49 -0000
Subject: Actors Studio' Clips - Dan Radcliffe - Excuuuuse Meeee!
In-Reply-To: <ghm453+v69g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghmofd+ono8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor"
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> > Steve:
> > ...
> > 
> > There are four new clips from Dan's appearance on 'Inside the 
> > Actor's Studio'. These are not the same disjointed clips that 
> > have been previously available. These are four continuous 9.5 
> > minute each clips and are very good.
> > ...

> Kemper now:
> Hey Steve, where you been?  We've been discussing Dan (and others).
> I linked to the interview here 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38163
> ...
> 
> :D
> Kemper
>

Sorry, but that contains a tinyurl link and my firewall uniformly
blocks them all, also the title of that discussion is 'Half-Blood
Prince'; difficult to discern the subject when it doesn't match the
title. 

None the less, I only found them just before posting, and I though
others might enjoy the clips. The original 'Actors Studio' clips were
somewhat disjointed; just a quick question and an answer here and
there. I though these new clips were nice because they are in essence
a continuous long 38 minute clip. 

steve/bluewizard




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 23:41:07 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:41:07 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <00e801c95a00$ec37f5c0$c4a7e140$@com>
Message-ID: <ghmvmj+su7s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> I don't know which books you read.
 

LOL again :-)! That's what I often think during some discussions, 
usually on the Main list :-). But, seriously, I only said I didn't 
like anybody because I found your "all the actors are perfect and 
everything is perfect" a little funny, and I wanted to answer in the 
same exagerated way :-).

I'm not jaded (whatever this means) against actors, I like all those 
actors, only not in HP :-). Especially Rickman is one of my all time 
favorites, and I would have been thrilled to have him as Snape, if 
only he was some 25 years younger! 

And of course, some characters are represented in the movies quite 
well. Not to like *any* character/actor in HP movies seems as 
unnatural as to think they are all *perfect* :-). Are you serious 
about this? Can't you think of anyone, anyone at all that you didn't 
like? Come on, you have to give me something :-). 

Let's trade - I'll give you a list of characters/actors that I like 
(or at least don't have a problem with), and you will give me at 
least one that you don't like. Here goes: McGonagall, the Dursleys 
(especially Vernon), Lucius and Hagrid (both are not how I imagined 
them, but I like them anyway), Lockhart (not as handsome as I 
thought, but oh well...), Molly and Arthur, Moody (again, not how I 
imagined him, but a good actor). 

I also liked Umbridge - kind of, because I admit that Staunton is a 
great actress, but she looks too nice for Umbridge (not toad-like 
enough :-)). I'm also of two minds about both Dumbledores :-). There 
are smaller parts as well - the rest of the teachers (except for ever-
changing Flitwick), Ollivander, Stan Shunpike, Cedric - all quite 
satisfactory in my eyes. 

As you can see, I'm not as hopeless as you may think :-), and this 
list is not complete - I must have forgotten someone. Now it's your 
turn - think of something you don't like in HP movies. There must be 
something - even in the movies that I absolutely love (LOTR, for 
example) there are things I would have changed :-).


zanooda





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 00:09:47 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:09:47 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <002b01c95a17$0021c2d0$00654870$@com>
Message-ID: <ghn1cb+6vk6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

 
> I wasn't trying to be confrontational.

I know you are not *trying* to be confrontational, but sometimes you 
*are*, I'm sorry to say :-).  You tend to get carried away a little 
bit, and then you don't realize how your words come out :-). I suppose 
I should feel lucky you didn't tell me to take my ideas elsewhere, like 
you told someone, LOL! Come on, we are just talking here, so lighten 
up, dear friend, lighten up! Don't take things too seriously :-). Just 
an elderly lady's advice :-).


> But seriously, who else would you cast? And why would they be 
> better?


Now that's the right approach and a great idea for discussion. I can't 
help you here because I don't know any British actors, but, if you are 
interested, we had a similar thread (on the movie list, iirc), and 
there were tons of suggestions there :-).


zanooda, not easily offended ... :-).




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 00:34:55 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:34:55 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghmdem+b64l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghn2rf+cejm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:
 
> As to under-using Rupert, I agree.  I blame Steve Kloves for much of 
> that.  Making Super!Hermione (ugh) and having her take away primo Ron 
> lines (such as "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us, 
> too") AND Harry lines & actions (e.g., all the stuff while time-
> turning that HARRY actually realized or said, which was given to 
> Hermione) drives me nuts, and it means we get less of Rupert.  


zanooda:

I don't remember if it was Kloves in the first two movies as well or 
not, but I must say that all this started in CoS, actually. Ron's 
explanations about "mudbloods" were taken away from him and split 
between Hermione and Hagrid. Also, his line "hearing voices no one else 
can hear isn't a good sign, even in the wizarding world" were given to 
Hermione (again!). It's in this movie that they started 
the "clownization" of Ron :-).




From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Dec 10 03:02:33 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:02:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghmvmj+su7s@eGroups.com>
References: <00e801c95a00$ec37f5c0$c4a7e140$@com> <ghmvmj+su7s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c95a73$c5f3fc10$51dbf430$@com>

Well, I didn't say everything was perfect, in fact I mentioned my dislike of
Columbus as a director. I do not dislike any major character actor, period.
I do think all the casting changes are fine. I think Gambone screwed up not
reading the books and Curion screwed up not making him, but I also think
they needed to make a decision as Richard Harris's illness had set the
production back for months waiting to see if he'd recover before recasting
him. I actually like Gambone (I would check spelling but it's late, I'm
tired) as of the end of OOTP. I think he really made me finally believe he
was Dumbledore (though his "did what?" reaction in POA was perfect, spot on
and funny) he really made the magic look real and made a connection with
Radcliff. It will be interesting to see what he does with the larger part in
HBP, from the trailers I think it'll be good. 

The only issue I've had with any actors is that they physically don't match
-- Slughorn being the most obvious. And I think the CGI Centaurs look
horrible, stiff, waxy, like stop motion. But Acting wise I have no bones at
all. I thought Umbridge was great because her sugary sweet demeanor made her
more evil. I mean, other than make-up how do you cast a "toad"? Plus, I
always took the reference in the book not to be literal, but exaggerated,
stemming from hatred.

But no, I can think of no problems with any of the actors, they all fit for
me.

md

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zanooda2
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:41 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> I don't know which books you read.
 

LOL again :-)! That's what I often think during some discussions, 
usually on the Main list :-). But, seriously, I only said I didn't 
like anybody because I found your "all the actors are perfect and 
everything is perfect" a little funny, and I wanted to answer in the 
same exagerated way :-).

I'm not jaded (whatever this means) against actors, I like all those 
actors, only not in HP :-). Especially Rickman is one of my all time 
favorites, and I would have been thrilled to have him as Snape, if 
only he was some 25 years younger! 

And of course, some characters are represented in the movies quite 
well. Not to like *any* character/actor in HP movies seems as 
unnatural as to think they are all *perfect* :-). Are you serious 
about this? Can't you think of anyone, anyone at all that you didn't 
like? Come on, you have to give me something :-). 

Let's trade - I'll give you a list of characters/actors that I like 
(or at least don't have a problem with), and you will give me at 
least one that you don't like. Here goes: McGonagall, the Dursleys 
(especially Vernon), Lucius and Hagrid (both are not how I imagined 
them, but I like them anyway), Lockhart (not as handsome as I 
thought, but oh well...), Molly and Arthur, Moody (again, not how I 
imagined him, but a good actor). 

I also liked Umbridge - kind of, because I admit that Staunton is a 
great actress, but she looks too nice for Umbridge (not toad-like 
enough :-)). I'm also of two minds about both Dumbledores :-). There 
are smaller parts as well - the rest of the teachers (except for ever-
changing Flitwick), Ollivander, Stan Shunpike, Cedric - all quite 
satisfactory in my eyes. 

As you can see, I'm not as hopeless as you may think :-), and this 
list is not complete - I must have forgotten someone. Now it's your 
turn - think of something you don't like in HP movies. There must be 
something - even in the movies that I absolutely love (LOTR, for 
example) there are things I would have changed :-).


zanooda



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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 10 03:20:03 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:20:03 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghn2rf+cejm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghnch3+34al@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> > I blame Steve Kloves for much of that.  Making Super!Hermione (ugh) 
> > and having her take away primo Ron lines (such as "If you want to 
> > kill Harry, you'll have to kill us, too") AND Harry lines & actions 
> > (e.g., all the stuff while time- turning that HARRY actually 
> > realized or said, which was given to Hermione) drives me nuts, and 
> > it means we get less of Rupert.  
 
zanooda:
> I don't remember if it was Kloves in the first two movies as well 
> or not, but I must say that all this started in CoS, actually. 


SSSusan:
Yes, Steve Kloves was the screenwriter for films 1-3, so what bothered 
you in CoS was one of his, too.

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 07:33:35 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:33:35 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <00a001c95a73$c5f3fc10$51dbf430$@com>
Message-ID: <ghnrcf+1df4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> I actually like Gambone (I would check spelling but it's late, I'm
> tired) as of the end of OOTP.


zanooda:

Yeah, that's why I'm of two minds about him - I really hated him in 
GoF, but in OotP he was quite good. Maybe someone finally told him 
that DD wouldn't scream and shake people like that :-). It's the 
director's job to make sure that a character doesn't act "out of 
character", even if some actor didn't read the book :-). I agree that 
in HBP trailers Gambon(sp?) looks good so far.


 
> The only issue I've had with any actors is that they physically 
> don't match - Slughorn being the most obvious.


This one is a mystery to me too - couldn't they add some belly and a 
moustache(sp?)?


> And I think the CGI Centaurs look horrible, stiff, waxy, like 
> stop motion.


I didn't like the werewolf either :-). I didn't like the dog (Sirius) 
in PoA - not bear-like at all. And I don't like Harry's Patronus - 
where is the stag :-)?
 

> I mean, other than make-up how do you cast a "toad"? 


LOL!







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 13:45:04 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:45:04 -0000
Subject: Admin: List Rules
Message-ID: <ghoh50+9f8d@eGroups.com>

*a List Elf pops in bearing a scroll and proceeds to read*

The List Elves would like to remind members of OTC that the same posting
conventions that apply on the Main list also apply here. This includes 
adding your response to a message *below* the material you're quoting 
and playing nice with others. Please be aware that here, as on Main, 
repeated violations of the rules and posting conventions can result in 
remoderation.

*scroll snaps shut and the List Elf disapparates*





From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Dec 10 14:44:57 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <ghoh50+9f8d@eGroups.com>
References: <ghoh50+9f8d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <011701c95ad5$e153f700$a3fbe500$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheryll Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:45 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Admin: List Rules

*a List Elf pops in bearing a scroll and proceeds to read*

The List Elves would like to remind members of OTC that the same posting
conventions that apply on the Main list also apply here. This includes 
adding your response to a message *below* the material you're quoting 
and playing nice with others. Please be aware that here, as on Main, 
repeated violations of the rules and posting conventions can result in 
remoderation.

*scroll snaps shut and the List Elf disapparates*

*****************************************

I know I constantly forget to do this, I have several other list that I post
on, this is the only one that requires this.

-- be cool if we could just get rid of the rule.

md




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 10 16:03:10 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:03:10 -0000
Subject: Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <011701c95ad5$e153f700$a3fbe500$@com>
Message-ID: <ghop7u+asda@eGroups.com>

ADMIN:
> The List Elves would like to remind members of OTC that the same 
> posting conventions that apply on the Main list also apply here. 
> This includes adding your response to a message *below* the 
> material you're quoting and playing nice with others. Please be 
> aware that here, as on Main, repeated violations of the rules and 
> posting conventions can result in remoderation.
> *****************************************

md:
> I know I constantly forget to do this, I have several other list 
> that I post on, this is the only one that requires this.
> 
> -- be cool if we could just get rid of the rule.


SSSusan/Shorty Elf:
Speaking as both a regular list member and as a list elf, I would 
like to disagree.  There *are* logical reasons for the requirement of 
not top-posting.  

First, placing one's comments below quoted material (preferably 
snipped to its bare minimum!) puts the comments in what I 
call "conversation order."  One doesn't have to scroll DOWN to read 
what was said before and then back UP to see what's being added; one 
simply reads or skims the quote to refresh her/his memory, and then 
the new comments flow right onward.

The other reason for not top-posting is that, for the benefit of our 
visually impaired members who are using screenreading software, it 
helps if all members of the HPfGU community use a consistent pattern 
in posting.  The screenreading software is, imo, a miracle, but it 
still takes a lot of work to sort things out if quotes aren't snipped 
or aren't attributed or if new comments are placed where the reader 
isn't expecting them.

So, that's my two knuts for leaving the posting rule exactly where 
it's always been.

Siriusly Snapey Susan/Shorty Elf





From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Dec 10 16:32:40 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:32:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <ghop7u+asda@eGroups.com>
References: <011701c95ad5$e153f700$a3fbe500$@com> <ghop7u+asda@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008501c95ae4$ecda42a0$c68ec7e0$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cubfanbudwoman
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:03 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Admin: List Rules



SSSusan/Shorty Elf:
Speaking as both a regular list member and as a list elf, I would 
like to disagree.  There *are* logical reasons for the requirement of 
not top-posting.  


md:
didn't mean to start a debate.




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 10 16:35:02 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:35:02 -0000
Subject: Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <008501c95ae4$ecda42a0$c68ec7e0$@com>
Message-ID: <ghor3m+aric@eGroups.com>

> SSSusan/Shorty Elf:
> Speaking as both a regular list member and as a list elf, I would 
> like to disagree.  There *are* logical reasons for the requirement of 
> not top-posting.  
> 
> 
> md:
> didn't mean to start a debate.


SSSusan:
I didn't say I wanted to debate either.  I just wanted to provide an 
explanation for a long-held rule.  I find that it never hurts to remind 
members, particularly new ones who might not know, that the guidelines 
aren't random. :)

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Dec 10 19:02:17 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:02:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <011701c95ad5$e153f700$a3fbe500$@com>
Message-ID: <49401242.c5c2f10a.1431.fffffbb9@mx.google.com>

[Our Beloved Elf Sheryll reads from her scroll]:
| The List Elves would like to remind members of OTC that the 
| same posting
| conventions that apply on the Main list also apply here. This 
| includes 
| adding your response to a message *below* the material you're quoting 
| and playing nice with others. Please be aware that here, as on Main, 
| repeated violations of the rules and posting conventions can 
| result in 
| remoderation.
| 


[To which MD responds]:
| I know I constantly forget to do this, I have several other 
| list that I post
| on, this is the only one that requires this.
| 
| -- be cool if we could just get rid of the rule.

[Lee gasps in terror!]:
Never!!!!  If you were on the BSG-Theme list, the same conventions would
apply, and I have been known to get on people's cases for lack of
attribution, lack of signature, etc.  We've always had those rules and, when
the need arises, as co-mod I still insist upon them.  They make reading much
more orderly especially for those who used Text-To-Speech because they may
not be able to see changes in the text colors, fonts, styles, indents, etc.
These things make attributions and signatures essential!  Also, some email
programs don't show the headers of the senders which makes the sigs and
attribs even more necessary to us-types who rely on auditory reading.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 19:37:12 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:37:12 -0000
Subject: Admin: List Rules
In-Reply-To: <011701c95ad5$e153f700$a3fbe500$@com>
Message-ID: <ghp5p8+3860@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
> 
> I know I constantly forget to do this, I have several other list that 
I post on, this is the only one that requires this.
> 
> -- be cool if we could just get rid of the rule.
> 
> md

Tonks:
Auror here... wand drawn... suck it up buddy!!! Follow the rules. We do 
not 'get rid of them"...  next time it will be Azakaban for you!

Tonks_op
;-)




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 21:12:17 2008
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:12:17 -0500
Subject: Actors Studio' Clips - Dan Radcliffe - Excuuuuse Meeee!
Message-ID: <8CB29231DD696CB-C18-598@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>

If you can wait until Dec 22, Bravo is rerunning the episode then. 

---Mary


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 23:29:06 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:29:06 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
Message-ID: <ghpjc2+2vbu@eGroups.com>

Can you guys help me with this expression? It's in SS/PS, when 
Hermione was supposed to keep an eye on Snape (pretending to be 
waiting for Flitwick outside the staff room), but then she came back 
to the common room and said: "Snape came out and asked me what I was 
doing, so I said I was waiting for Flitwick, and Snape went to get 
him, and I've only just got away, I don't know where Snape went".

I know "only just" means something like "just now", "very recently" 
("we've only just begun"), but dictionaries also give another 
meaning - something like "barely", kind of like when Diary!Riddle 
says that Ginny is alive, but "only just". I've always assumed that 
it was the first meaning in Hermione's case, but at the moment I find 
myself in an argument about this expression and I need to be sure.

So, does Hermione mean that Snape went to get Flitwich and really got 
him, and she had to talk to Flitwick for some time, and meanwhile 
Snape disappeared? Or does she mean that Snape went to get Flitwick, 
and she didn't really want to meet him, so she barely managed to get 
away before Flitwick came out of the staff room? 

I've always thought the first scenario was correct, especially 
because a little later Hermione mentions that Flitwick told her she 
got 112% in his exam, so I assumed he told her outside of the staff 
room. But, since there is a disagreement, I would like an advice :-). 
It's on p.270 (for Geoff - p.196). I would appreciate any help, off-
list is OK. Only please don't tell me again it can be both ways :-)!


zanooda, tired of translation-related arguments ...




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 23:53:26 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:53:26 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghpjc2+2vbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghpkpm+scbq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> Can you guys help me with this expression? It's in SS/PS, when 
> Hermione was supposed to keep an eye on Snape (pretending to be 
> waiting for Flitwick outside the staff room), but then she came back 
> to the common room and said: "Snape came out and asked me what I was 
> doing, so I said I was waiting for Flitwick, and Snape went to get 
> him, and I've only just got away, I don't know where Snape went".
> 
> I know "only just" means something like "just now", "very recently" 
> ("we've only just begun"), but dictionaries also give another 
> meaning - something like "barely", kind of like when Diary!Riddle 
> says that Ginny is alive, but "only just". I've always assumed that 
> it was the first meaning in Hermione's case, but at the moment I find 
> myself in an argument about this expression and I need to be sure.

Geoff:
In this particular instance, I would agree with your first case - "I have 
only very recently got away". Not getting away in the sense of escaping 
but of starting off - "We hope to get away on our holidays tomorrow".




From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 03:29:27 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:29:27 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghpkpm+scbq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghq1en+oikc@eGroups.com>

> > zanooda2 wrote:
> > Can you guys help me with this expression? It's in SS/PS, when 
> > Hermione was supposed to keep an eye on Snape (pretending to be 
> > waiting for Flitwick outside the staff room), but then she came
> > back to the common room and said: "Snape came out and asked me
> > what I was doing, so I said I was waiting for Flitwick, and
> > Snape went to get him, and I've only just got away, I don't know
> > where Snape went".
> > 
> > I know "only just" means something like "just now", "very
> > recently" ("we've only just begun"), but dictionaries also give
> > another meaning - something like "barely", kind of like when
> > Diary!Riddle says that Ginny is alive, but "only just". 

 
> Geoff:
> In this particular instance, I would agree with your first case -
> "I have only very recently got away". Not getting away in the
> sense of escaping but of starting off

Mike:
Since Geoff has a much better handle on the way the English turn a 
phrase, I must bow to his expertise. That said, when I read that 
scene, I read it as Hermione *just barely* got away. Because, I 
thought Hermione didn't really want to see Flitwick, didn't have 
anything ready to say to him, and would have appeared a blithering 
idiot if Snape actually found Flitwick and sent him out to meet her. 
So I thought she "only just" got away before Flitwick came out of the 
teachers' lounge.

Now that I read your thoughts, Mila, and Geoff's confirmation of your 
interpretation, I think my reading of it was wrong. I do think that 
Diary!Riddle meant "only just" as "barely", though.

So, how's that Mila, you got a "could be both" anyway. ;-) Nah, take 
Geoff's word for it, he's probably right. :-)

Mike, only just catching up on OTC reading




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 11:36:07 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:36:07 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghq1en+oikc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghqtv7+7oll@eGroups.com>

---  "Mike" <mcrudele78 at ...> wrote:
>
> > > zanooda2 wrote:
> > > ...
> > > 
> > > I know "only just" means something like "just now", "very
> > > recently" ("we've only just begun"), but dictionaries also give
> > > another meaning - something like "barely", kind of like when
> > > Diary!Riddle says that Ginny is alive, but "only just". 
> 
>  
> > Geoff:
> > In this particular instance, I would agree with your first case -
> > "I have only very recently got away". Not getting away in the
> > sense of escaping but of starting off
> 
> Mike:
/> ..., when I read that scene, I read it as Hermione *just barely*
> got away. Because, I thought Hermione didn't really want to see 
> Flitwick, ..., and would have appeared a blithering idiot if 
> Snape actually found Flitwick and sent him out to meet her. 
>
> So I thought she "only just" got away before Flitwick came out
> of the teachers' lounge.
> 
> Now that I read your thoughts, ..., I think my reading of it 
> was wrong. I do think that Diary!Riddle meant "only just" as
> "barely", though.
> 
> ...
> 
> Mike, only just catching up on OTC reading
>

bboyminn:

While I'm filling in a lot of off-page backstory, I took it to
mean 'I only just /now/ got away', which implies some delay, 
which in turn implies that she was delayed by having to deal
with Flitwick. So, Snape got Flitwick, Hermione stumbled and
bumbled trying to thing of an excuse to talk to Flitwick, that
caused a delay, and she only just /now/ got away. 

I'm not saying I'm right, but that's how I read it; she just 
/now/ escape the thing that was delaying her. 

Steve/bboyminn





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 00:49:26 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:49:26 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghqtv7+7oll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghscem+9ilq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

> > > Geoff:

> > > In this particular instance, I would agree with your first 
> > > case - "I have only very recently got away". 
 
> > Mike:

> > ..., when I read that scene, I read it as Hermione *just barely*
> > got away. 
 
> bboyminn:

> While I'm filling in a lot of off-page backstory, I took it to
> mean 'I only just /now/ got away'


zanooda:

OK, it's two against one for now :-). But I must tell you, guys, 
English is a very ambiguous language :-)! Whenever I have a question, 
you always have two different answers for me, which is confusing :-).

Anyway, thank you very much, all of you. And, Mike, it's great to 
hear from you :-). You are hardly ever here these days. I mean, you 
are here, but only just :-).




From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec 12 01:25:16 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:25:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghq1en+oikc@eGroups.com>
References: <ghpkpm+scbq@eGroups.com> <ghq1en+oikc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004801c95bf8$82948bc0$87bda340$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:29 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Only just".

> > zanooda2 wrote:
> > Can you guys help me with this expression? It's in SS/PS, when 
> > Hermione was supposed to keep an eye on Snape (pretending to be 
> > waiting for Flitwick outside the staff room), but then she came
> > back to the common room and said: "Snape came out and asked me
> > what I was doing, so I said I was waiting for Flitwick, and
> > Snape went to get him, and I've only just got away, I don't know
> > where Snape went".
> > 
> > I know "only just" means something like "just now", "very
> > recently" ("we've only just begun"), but dictionaries also give
> > another meaning - something like "barely", kind of like when
> > Diary!Riddle says that Ginny is alive, but "only just". 

If a student asked me, I'd say let's put it in the overall context. By that,
I mean, Hermione is explaining her tardiness, that she "only just" got away
meaning, "just now" because there was not earlier option.

If she'd said "Snape was there, and he was watching me and I only just got
away." 

The other reason I say she is referring to just now is that if take away the
contraction it is "I have only just got away" placing a definite sense time.


That's my interpretation.

md





From swartell at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 01:43:51 2008
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:43:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "Only just".
References: <ghscem+9ilq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <427900.3176.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Zanooda2:

OK, it's two against one for now :-). But I must tell you, guys, 
English is a very ambiguous language :-)! Whenever I have a question, 
you always have two different answers for me, which is confusing :-).

Anyway, thank you very much, all of you. And, Mike, it's great to 
hear from you :-). You are hardly ever here these days. I mean, you 
are here, but only just :-).

Now Sue:
I agree entirely that English is ambiguous.  It's quite wonderful that way.  ;-)

While I know both meanings of the phrase "only just", the one that means "barely" never occurred to me as a possible meaning for Hermione's statement.  It seemed quite clear that Hermione had not successfully escaped before Flitwick showed up, because she had engaged in a conversation with him.  Otherwise the statement that "he told me I got 112% on his exam" a bit later would make no sense;  Ron had suggested that she say she was waiting for Flitwick to ask about a question on her exam.  That suggests to me that she hadn't yet heard about her results before she went off to watch for Snape.  Hermione is a detail-oriented person, and a stickler for precision and correct answers, and I think she would have objected to that particular excuse if she already had been told her results.  (Oh, I also assumed that Flitwick was in fact in the staff room, and Snape merely had to step back inside the door and call for him to come out - making it highly unlikely that
 Hermione could have gotten away.)


So now it's 3 to 1.  Your mileage may vary, and I might even be able to construct an arguement for the other interpretation.  But as a native English (American version) speaker, I immediately assumed the "just now" meaning.


      

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From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 12 02:03:31 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:03:31 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <004801c95bf8$82948bc0$87bda340$@com>
Message-ID: <ghsgpj+n495@eGroups.com>

Cabal:
> If a student asked me, I'd say let's put it in the overall context. 
By that,
> I mean, Hermione is explaining her tardiness, that she "only just" 
got away
> meaning, "just now" because there was not earlier option.
> 
> If she'd said "Snape was there, and he was watching me and I only 
just got
> away." 
> 
> The other reason I say she is referring to just now is that if take 
away the
> contraction it is "I have only just got away" placing a definite 
sense time.

Magpie:
I'm with Cabal on this one because of the "have." It's placing it in 
time. And later she does seem to indicate she spoke to Flitwick.

Obviously, zanooda, you speak English very well-that's why your 
questions are always about things that are ambiguous in English to 
begin with!

-m




From heidi8 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:48:09 2008
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:48:09 -0500
Subject: Twelve Announcements Before Christmas (and 11 before Chanukah)
Message-ID: <5913e6f80812120848u27a57257o5674788deb905b5f@mail.gmail.com>

In the days leading up to the winter holidays, Team Azkatraz has
twelve announcements to make.  Some announcements will be about new
things you can sign up for at Azkatraz, others will be about ways to
give Azkatraz-ian gifts, or volunteer, or get to San Francisco - and
there's more!

We'll be crossposting to the following pages/sites:
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpef-events
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpfgu-convention
http://twitter.com/HPEF
http://azkatraz.livejournal.com
http://kickin_azkatraz.livejournal.com
http://www.hpef.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11207479955
http://www.hp2009.org/?q=rss.xml
And, of course, http://www.hp2009.org

This is the only post we'll be making this month elsewhere.

Today's announcement?

A Claymation Workshop on Monday, July 20, 2009 at ZEUM.

Fictionalley and ZEUM are partnering with AZKATRAZ for Creativity is
Magic Day at ZEUM, and one of the activities you can sign up for is
the Claymation Workshop.

Learn the basics of stop-motion animation in this project-based
workshop. Groups of 4-5 will each design their own clay characters and
produce a short animated film using multimedia tools. Groups will be
set up ahead of time and can use the HPEF Forums in late June and July
to work together and develop a story concept. On Monday, July 20,
2008, each group will spend nearly two hours sculpting clay characters
and filming a stop motion animation movie.  Each participant will
leave AZKATRAZ with a clay figure or two and a claymation movie on DVD
or flash drive.

We're going to have two sessions of 30 people each - one for
registrants 16 years and up, from 9 til 11 in the morning, and one
from 1:30 until 3:30 in the afternoon for kids ages 8 to 16.

You can sign up when you register, or by modifying your registration
at https://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Register/IdentityConfirmation.aspx?e=f819871c-99ce-45a7-9c71-28234ff6a033
.



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 01:17:08 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:17:08 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <004801c95bf8$82948bc0$87bda340$@com>
Message-ID: <ghv2ek+2q46@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
 
> The other reason I say she is referring to just now is that if 
> take away the contraction it is "I have only just got away" 
> placing a definite sense time.


I'm going to just trust you on this :-), because I have a problem with 
this tense ("I have got" etc.), and I could never really understand 
what it meant :-). But you certainly know better, and besides, it's one 
more reason to accept my version of events, so I'll take it, thanks :-).


zanooda, not very good at English grammar ...




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 01:32:17 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:32:17 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <427900.3176.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ghv3b1+iqie@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at ...> 
wrote:

> Ron had suggested that she say she was waiting for Flitwick 
> to ask about a question on her exam.  That suggests to me that 
> she hadn't yet heard about her results before she went off to 
> watch for Snape.  Hermione is a detail-oriented person, and a 
> stickler for precision and correct answers, and I think she 
> would have objected to that particular excuse if she already 
> had been told her results.  


zanooda:

This a very good argument, and I don't know why I didn't think about 
it myself. 112% was one of the reasons I believed that Hermione 
indeed talked to Flitwick, but OTOH I wasn't sure. I kind of thought 
it's possible that Flitwick told her about her grade some other time, 
because his exam was not the last one, and they didn't take it that 
same day. 

But you are right of course - when Ron suggests Hermione should tell 
Flitwick she is worried about some exam question, she doesn't say 
that it wouldn't work and that she already knows her grade. This 
means Hermione talked to Flitwick outside the staff room, and Snape 
meanwhile left, and she didn't know where he went.




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 01:36:08 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:36:08 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghsgpj+n495@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghv3i8+4hc5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sistermagpie" 
<sistermagpie at ...> wrote:

> Obviously, zanooda, you speak English very well-that's why your 
> questions are always about things that are ambiguous in English to 
> begin with!


Thanks, but I wouldn't say I *speak* English well, because I have a 
really bad accent ;-(. I hope I *understand* it rather well though :-).


zanooda, good at reading, but not at speaking ...




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sat Dec 13 02:57:30 2008
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:57:30 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <00a001c95a73$c5f3fc10$51dbf430$@com>
Message-ID: <ghv8aq+76hn@eGroups.com>

I was hoping to see a more evil Snape. In the movies he just didn't 
do it for me.  He's one of my favorite characters in the books. I've 
read and listened to the books.  Jim Dale does a fantastic Snape on 
CD, Stephen Fry is just ok.

I imagined Bellatrix to be far different then she was in the movie.

I know that he's no in the HBP, but Dobby just irritated me.  In the 
book and in the movie. I took an instant dislike to him.

Marianne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zanooda2
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:41 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
> 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:
> 
> > I don't know which books you read.
>  
> 
> LOL again :-)! That's what I often think during some discussions, 
> usually on the Main list :-). But, seriously, I only said I didn't 
> like anybody because I found your "all the actors are perfect and 
> everything is perfect" a little funny, and I wanted to answer in 
the 
> same exagerated way :-).
> 
> I'm not jaded (whatever this means) against actors, I like all 
those 
> actors, only not in HP :-). Especially Rickman is one of my all 
time 
> favorites, and I would have been thrilled to have him as Snape, if 
> only he was some 25 years younger! 
> 
> And of course, some characters are represented in the movies quite 
> well. Not to like *any* character/actor in HP movies seems as 
> unnatural as to think they are all *perfect* :-). Are you serious 
> about this? Can't you think of anyone, anyone at all that you 
didn't 
> like? Come on, you have to give me something :-). 
> 
> Let's trade - I'll give you a list of characters/actors that I like 
> (or at least don't have a problem with), and you will give me at 
> least one that you don't like. Here goes: McGonagall, the Dursleys 
> (especially Vernon), Lucius and Hagrid (both are not how I imagined 
> them, but I like them anyway), Lockhart (not as handsome as I 
> thought, but oh well...), Molly and Arthur, Moody (again, not how I 
> imagined him, but a good actor). 
> 
> I also liked Umbridge - kind of, because I admit that Staunton is a 
> great actress, but she looks too nice for Umbridge (not toad-like 
> enough :-)). I'm also of two minds about both Dumbledores :-). 
There 
> are smaller parts as well - the rest of the teachers (except for 
ever-
> changing Flitwick), Ollivander, Stan Shunpike, Cedric - all quite 
> satisfactory in my eyes. 
> 
> As you can see, I'm not as hopeless as you may think :-), and this 
> list is not complete - I must have forgotten someone. Now it's your 
> turn - think of something you don't like in HP movies. There must 
be 
> something - even in the movies that I absolutely love (LOTR, for 
> example) there are things I would have changed :-).
> 
> 
> zanooda
> 
> 
> 
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From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sat Dec 13 03:02:21 2008
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:02:21 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghnrcf+1df4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghv8jt+ms4t@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md@> wrote:
> > The only issue I've had with any actors is that they physically 
> > don't match - Slughorn being the most obvious.
> 
> 
> This one is a mystery to me too - couldn't they add some belly and a 
> moustache(sp?)?

I agree.  He did need more belly and a bristly mustache.
> 
> I didn't like the werewolf either :-).

Nor did I.  I was expecting a very hairy face and more werewolfish 
looking.  That's the only way I can discribe it.

Marianne




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 13 03:11:04 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:11:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghv8jt+ms4t@eGroups.com>
References: <ghnrcf+1df4@eGroups.com> <ghv8jt+ms4t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c95cd0$70ee53f0$52cafbd0$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wildirishrose01us
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:02 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince


Nor did I.  I was expecting a very hairy face and more werewolfish 
looking.  That's the only way I can discribe it.

Marianne


------------------------------------

I think the werewolf was purposefully different from the standard because
they wanted it firmly rooted in Potter Lore and didn't want it to look
clich?. I didn't like it at first, but now I've decided it works.

md




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 03:45:54 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:54 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <000001c95cd0$70ee53f0$52cafbd0$@com>
Message-ID: <ghvb5i+at7l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> I think the werewolf was purposefully different from the 
> standard because they wanted it firmly rooted in Potter Lore 
> and didn't want it to look clich?. I didn't like it at first, 
> but now I've decided it works.


That was my guess too - they wanted their werewolf to be different and 
original :-).  But somehow he wasn't scary to me  without all the 
hair :-). I really loved Buckbeak though. But not Grawp - this one 
looked like a waaay overgrown toddler to me :-). I didn't like the 
merpeople, but liked the dragon (too much of it, though).


zanooda, who can't remember any other creatures right now ...




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 03:52:40 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:52:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghvb5i+at7l@eGroups.com>
References: <000001c95cd0$70ee53f0$52cafbd0$@com> <ghvb5i+at7l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0812121952l4dc07dear82f187aec2f70e2e@mail.gmail.com>

zanooda
> I didn't like the
> merpeople, but liked the dragon (too much of it, though).

I somewhat agree.  I liked the merpeople well enough but was annoyed
by the dragon.  Rather, I was annoyed by the lack of variety.  I was
very much looking forward to seeing all 4 dragons (more than just
those dinky little representations).  When I realized there would be
only Harry's dragon shown, I was okay with it until that particular
scene dragged ... and then dragged some more.  Blegh.

On a totally random note, anyone (stateside) watching Top Chef on
Bravo?  I know it's a reality show, but food competition ... I'm a
sucker, yes.

~Ali, wrapped in a throw and enjoying this winter night by watching
What Not To Wear



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 04:00:36 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:00:36 -0000
Subject: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <ghv8aq+76hn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ghvc14+9tf4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "wildirishrose01us" 
<wildirishrose at ...> wrote:

> I was hoping to see a more evil Snape.

He just doesn't get enough screen time to show all the nuances, I guess.


> I imagined Bellatrix to be far different then she was in the movie.

Yeah, me too. I expected her to be tall, with much harsher face, and 
not as slutty as she looks and acts in the movie :-). I imagined her to 
be more dignified (in her own crazy way :-)). Helen McCrory would have 
worked well for me.

 
> I know that he's not in the HBP, but Dobby just irritated me.  

But he will be back in DH, I suppose :-).


zanooda




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 13 10:56:36 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:56:36 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <ghv3i8+4hc5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi04d4+q4lt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sistermagpie" 
> <sistermagpie@> wrote:
> 
> > Obviously, zanooda, you speak English very well-that's why your 
> > questions are always about things that are ambiguous in English to 
> > begin with!

Zanooda: 
> Thanks, but I wouldn't say I *speak* English well, because I have a 
> really bad accent ;-(. I hope I *understand* it rather well though 

Geoff:
I think perhaps Magpie implied "understand". It's a bit 
like me with German: I understand a lot and I can write 
it but my speaking is no longer as good as it was because 
I get little opportunity to practise it.




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 17:47:22 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:47:22 -0000
Subject: Top chef and other shows WAS :Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0812121952l4dc07dear82f187aec2f70e2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gi0sfa+v2vk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" 
<alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> On a totally random note, anyone (stateside) watching Top Chef on
> Bravo?  I know it's a reality show, but food competition ... I'm a
> sucker, yes.
> 
> ~Ali, wrapped in a throw and enjoying this winter night by watching
> What Not To Wear
>


Alla:

Yeah, Bravo reality competitions (NOT all of them mind you, just 
some) are the only ones I would watch. I mean, I wish they would stop 
with Project runway and Top chef, because I thought the designer ones 
and hairdresser ones was not nearly as interesting.

But I surely love Top chef.

And I LOVE What not to wear. I think hosts are hilarious and have 
great chemistry. But boy oh boy I thought some participants are 
behaving like complete idiots. I mean, I am sure they are told for 
example to make a show of fighting for their clothes for viewers' 
amusement sake, but when some of them starting saying that no, they 
know better, I just want to slap them LOL.

I mean, if you are on that show, you obviously do NOT know better, so 
if you decided to participate, how about you shut up and follow the 
advices of those who DO know better. Again, I understand the part of 
it is for fun and 99% of them follow the advise and do the 
transformation, etc. But some.... I remember one woman on the show, 
who had that LOOOONG hair and hairdresser was trying to convince her 
that she really does not look good with the hair of that length. and 
nope, he usually is succesful, but that time he was not, she 
persisted that hair is what made her unique or something. I was just 
thinking, oh dear, take advantage of that great hairdresser showing 
you how to wear your hair with style, you absolute dolt.

Eh, sorry. I love that show. 




From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 13 19:59:28 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:59:28 -0000
Subject: Top chef and other shows WAS :Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <gi0sfa+v2vk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi1470+kub9@eGroups.com>

 Alla:

> And I LOVE What not to wear. I think hosts are hilarious and have 
> great chemistry. But boy oh boy I thought some participants are 
> behaving like complete idiots. I mean, I am sure they are told for 
> example to make a show of fighting for their clothes for viewers' 
> amusement sake, but when some of them starting saying that no, they 
> know better, I just want to slap them LOL.
> 
> I mean, if you are on that show, you obviously do NOT know better, 
so 
> if you decided to participate, how about you shut up and follow the 
> advices of those who DO know better. Again, I understand the part 
of 
> it is for fun and 99% of them follow the advise and do the 
> transformation, etc. But some.... I remember one woman on the show, 
> who had that LOOOONG hair and hairdresser was trying to convince 
her 
> that she really does not look good with the hair of that length. 
and 
> nope, he usually is succesful, but that time he was not, she 
> persisted that hair is what made her unique or something. I was 
just 
> thinking, oh dear, take advantage of that great hairdresser showing 
> you how to wear your hair with style, you absolute dolt.

Magpie:
I remember getting annoyed at that same woman because iirc she was 
chosen because she *volunteered* for it. They had stuff in malls all 
over the country where people went in and said they had problems and 
wanted to be on the show. So I thought it was particularly annoying 
that she insisted on staying with her completely unflattering 
hairstyle--though I know some women do just get into that whole "it's 
my crowning glory" thing when they're enamored of their long hair. I 
also think she wanted the hairdresser to 'do it up' or something and 
I thought, you know, this isn't the 19th century. There aren't really 
all these fashionable ways of putting up waist length hair. And you'd 
probably have a devil of a time trying to do it yourself if you tried 
one of those!

I mean, I don't always agree with the show. Every time they scold 
people for wanting things to be comfortable I roll my eyes. But 
sometimes the contestants bug me. (I agree with all the other shows 
you mentioned too!)

-m




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 13 23:41:58 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:41:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Top chef and other shows WAS :Re: Half-Blood Prince
In-Reply-To: <gi0sfa+v2vk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <574320.22814.qm@web63408.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> <alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> > On a totally random note, anyone (stateside) watching
> Top Chef on
> > Bravo?  I know it's a reality show, but food
> competition ... I'm a
> > sucker, yes.
> > 
> > ~Ali, wrapped in a throw and enjoying this winter
> night by watching
> > What Not To Wear
> >
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Yeah, Bravo reality competitions (NOT all of them mind you,
> just 
> some) are the only ones I would watch. I mean, I wish they
> would stop 
> with Project runway and Top chef, because I thought the
> designer ones 
> and hairdresser ones was not nearly as interesting.
> 
> But I surely love Top chef.
> 
Sheryll:

I'm a reality TV junkie. Canada is usually behind the US in some of the shows. Up until this season we've been one behind for Top Chef. Thankfully we're getting the same time as you now. It's always hard to avoid spoilers over on LiveJournal. :)

Alla:
> And I LOVE What not to wear. I think hosts are hilarious
> and have 
> great chemistry. But boy oh boy I thought some participants
> are 
> behaving like complete idiots. I mean, I am sure they are
> told for 
> example to make a show of fighting for their clothes for
> viewers' 
> amusement sake, but when some of them starting saying that
> no, they 
> know better, I just want to slap them LOL.
> 
> I mean, if you are on that show, you obviously do NOT know
> better, so 
> if you decided to participate, how about you shut up and
> follow the 
> advices of those who DO know better. Again, I understand
> the part of 
> it is for fun and 99% of them follow the advise and do the 
> transformation, etc. But some.... I remember one woman on
> the show, 
> who had that LOOOONG hair and hairdresser was trying to
> convince her 
> that she really does not look good with the hair of that
> length. and 
> nope, he usually is succesful, but that time he was not,
> she 
> persisted that hair is what made her unique or something. I
> was just 
> thinking, oh dear, take advantage of that great hairdresser
> showing 
> you how to wear your hair with style, you absolute dolt.
> 
> Eh, sorry. I love that show. 
> 
Sheryll:

Hee! Sounds like I'd enjoy watching What Not To Wear! I'll have to check it out.

I confess that I also watch things like America's Next Top Model. Actually we get viewings of past season's of Australia's and Britian's versions of the same, so I watch those, too. And Canada's version, of course.

Amazing Race tops my list, though. That and Top Chef are the only reality TV my husband will watch. Top Chef because he is a chef and likes to see what  they're doing. 

My daughter and I are stuck on Survivor, too, as are a number of our friends. The finale of the season that ends near Christmas (tomorrow for this season) is our excuse to gather with friends, eat pizza, talk to the television and exchange our gifts. The public transit strike we're having in Ottawa has thrown a bit of a damper on this year's gathering, as our friends Alex and Paul can't join us this year. Paul has over done it walking to work and back (2 hours each way - he's not a young man and his health isn't excellent) that he's spending the weekend recovering. I just told our friend who hosts the gathering that my daughter and I will be there come hell or high water. I refuse to let the strike ruin my holiday. This is the only holiday gathering I generally have, as I usually work Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.

Meh, I could rant for ages on the strike and how it's impacting everyone. Best not to get started!

Dinner instead.

Sheryll


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From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 14 05:05:49 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:05:49 -0000
Subject: "Only just".
In-Reply-To: <gi04d4+q4lt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi247d+qske@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
 
> It's a bit like me with German: I understand a lot and I 
> can write it but my speaking is no longer as good as it 
> was because I get little opportunity to practise it.


zanooda:

I know what you mean. It's like my French - I used to know it really 
well in my youth, but it so happened that I didn't have any opportunity 
to use it for about 25 years, so now I can't say anything in French, 
because only English words come to mind :-). OTOH, if needed (very 
rarely), I can understand spoken French rather well, and I can read 
easily - I read HP in French translation without looking in the 
dictionary even once :-). But it's not what I meant when I said I can't 
speak English well, I meant my accent - I can't get rid of it :-).






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Date: 14 Dec 2008 18:41:45 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/14/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Dec 15 05:08:25 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:08:25 -0000
Subject: rude language was Re: It is Christmas time again!  Come out and play...
In-Reply-To: <012e01c95894$46e77db0$d4b67910$@com>
Message-ID: <gi4oo9+d9r2@eGroups.com>

Anyone who says "shut the hell up" or "suck it up" is unfortunately 
relegated to the rude, boorish group of non-thinking, non-considerate 
no-nothings by me.

Ms. Manners




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Dec 15 19:54:47 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:54:47 -0000
Subject: An Unauthorised Guide to Harry Potter
Message-ID: <gi6cm7+fv3v@eGroups.com>

Harry, A History, Beedle the Bard and now...the Lexicon, an 
Unauthorised Guide...

Looks like things have been worked out to some extent.

Here's the link from--where else-- The Lexicon

http://www.hp-lexicon.info/whats_new.php

Potioncat




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 20:40:30 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:40:30 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <ghvc14+9tf4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi6fbu+fbjd@eGroups.com>

marianne wrote:
> > I was hoping to see a more evil Snape.

zanooda: 
> He just doesn't get enough screen time to show all the nuances, I 
> guess.

SSSusan:
I'm not sure it's just that.  IMO, Alan Rickman can definitely *do* 
evil.  I think it was more that the screenwriters and/or directors 
haven't pulled that part forth.  Instead, they've allowed Snape to be 
almost humorous at times -- like in GoF, where he comes up behind Ron 
& Harry three times and shoves their heads down for talking.  I adore 
Alan Rickman, so I love the way he puts his special brand of 
annoyance into the scene, but, really, canon!Snape would never have 
done it that way.  The kids are supposed to be *scared* of Snape!


marianne:
> > I imagined Bellatrix to be far different then she was in the 
> > movie.

zanooda:
> Yeah, me too. I expected her to be tall, with much harsher face, 
> and not as slutty as she looks and acts in the movie :-). I 
> imagined her to be more dignified (in her own crazy way :-)). Helen 
> McCrory would have worked well for me.

SSSusan:
I had always pictured Anjelica Huston in my head.  I know, I know -- 
she's American *but* she lived for years in Ireland and England, and 
I was hoping that would be enough to garner her the role. ;)


Siriusly Snapey Susan




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 20:51:27 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:27 -0000
Subject: An Unauthorised Guide to Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <gi6cm7+fv3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi6g0g+ei3c@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> Harry, A History, Beedle the Bard and now...the Lexicon, an 
> Unauthorised Guide...
> 
> Looks like things have been worked out to some extent.
> 
> Here's the link from--where else-- The Lexicon
> 
> http://www.hp-lexicon.info/whats_new.php
> 


SSSusan:
This surprised me!  I guess this makes me realize that I've stopped 
going to The Leaky and The Lexicon very often. :-|

Anyway, you're right -- things must have been worked out if Steve 
included this in his blurb, a statement from the Christopher Little 
Agency:

"We are delighted that this matter is finally and favourably resolved 
and that J.K. Rowling's rights ? and indeed the rights of all authors 
of creative works ? have been protected. We are also pleased to hear 
that rather than continue to litigate, RDR have themselves decided to 
publish a different book prepared with reference to Judge Patterson's 
decision."

Interesting!

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 15 22:39:28 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:39:28 -0000
Subject: An Avatar:TLA fan's thoughts on M Night Shyamalan
Message-ID: <gi6mb0+82lc@eGroups.com>

The live action movie of Avatar: the Last Airbender has got me
thinking about M Night.
The cast, all white, show an M Night that struggles with his
culture/identity.

It's obvious, now, based on the young cast, but the evidence presented
itself prior to his latest project. It is most evident in Unbreakable.
Bruce Willis plays David Dunn an everyman who learns he's a hero. Not
just any hero, a superhero with the power of strength and psychometry.
David discovers that his nemesis is Mr Glass, an enemy who expresses
that he was born to be the villain, an enemy who is black.

With the exception of Lady in the Water, Unbreakable is one of his
only movie with a relevant person of color. There are few relevant
people of color in any of his movies. Though, one person of color in
all his movies except Wide Awake is, of course, him.

In Lady in the Water, he is an amazing writer. It is less a cameo and
more a character. He is a person of color in an apartment complex
where there are many people of color. It is the main character, a
white man, who leads the people of color into protecting and
eventually healing the wet white girl.

More telling and less obvious are his cameos.

In The Sixth Sense, he plays a doctor who is being a dick to
HJOsment's mom. And to make sure the audience understands that the
doctor's a dick, M Night as the screenwriter has Cole's mom call him,
the non-white doctor, a dick.
In Unbreakable, he plays a suspected drug dealer.
In Signs, he plays the drunk @$$hole who kills Mel Gibson's wife.
In The Village (of white people), he plays a guard in the modern world
who likes his job because it's 'real easy'. The only person of color
in the entire movie is saying that he's lazy.
In The Happening, he plays the voice on the phone. His character is
having an affair with the female lead who's married to Marky Mark's
character. His name is Joey; he's a home wrecker... or would be if it
wasn't for the Happening.

That M Night! Here we Avatar fans were expecting a pigmented cast
when, as he does so often on film, he throws in a little twist. We
should have seen it coming!!! Like a good writer, he sowed the seeds
of his self-hate early on in his career but we, the audience, missed
it. What fools we are to expect something different. 

M Night Shyamalan loves white people!

Kemper, just making observations and knowing he might be mostly wrong,
mostly...




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 15 23:21:29 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:21:29 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi6fbu+fbjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi6opp+cj44@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:

> they've allowed Snape to be almost humorous at times -- 
> like in GoF, where he comes up behind Ron 
> & Harry three times and shoves their heads down for talking.  
> I adore Alan Rickman, so I love the way he puts his special 
> brand of annoyance into the scene, but, really, canon!Snape 
> would never have done it that way.


zanooda:  

You are sooo right - Snape is never funny in the books, but in the 
movies he is (or almost is :-)). In addition to your example, there 
is one scene in PoA, when Harry wanders the castle at night with the 
Map and meets Snape, and at some point Harry says something 
like "now, if you don't mind, I would appreciate it if you lowered 
your wand". Here is Harry out of bed after the hours and being rude, 
and Snape doesn't even attempt to give him a detention :-)!

A little later, after Harry and Lupin leave with the Map, a portrait 
says something like: "Are you deaf? Put out the light!" - and Snape 
obeys :-). That was really funny, but so un-Snapeish :-)! Yes, Snape 
has definitely gone soft in the movies :-). But Rickman is great 
anyway - I don't accept him as Snape because he is so old, but no one 
can deny that he is great, great, great :-).






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Dec 16 00:55:29 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:55:29 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi6opp+cj44@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi6ua1+mcnv@eGroups.com>


> zanooda:  
> 
> You are sooo right - Snape is never funny in the books, but in the 
> movies he is (or almost is :-)). 

Potioncat:
Well, yes and no...In CoS when Ron and Harry are looking into the 
Great Hall and wondering aloud where Snape is, he interrupts them 
with something along the line of "or maybe he's wondering why you 
didn't arrrive on the train with the other students..."

Granted, Ron and Harry were pretty frightened at that point, but I 
thought it was funny.

But I do agree, too many movie!Snape scenes are played for the humor 
of it--although I did like the one with the portrait.

zanooda:
 But Rickman is great 
> anyway - I don't accept him as Snape because he is so old, but no 
one 
> can deny that he is great, great, great :-).


Potioncat, shocked..shocked! Old? She checks Rickman's 
birthdate...nope. Doesn't look old to her. She takes a look at his 
characters in more recent movies...still looking good there.

Not at all old. Although he does excede age expections as far as 
Snape is concerned.

Potioncat, who thinks someone should have asked the question, "how 
old are the characters and will it matter to the plot?" before they 
did any casting. 





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 02:12:26 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:12:26 -0000
Subject: An Unauthorised Guide to Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <gi6g0g+ei3c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi72qa+a9v8@eGroups.com>

> Potioncat:
> > Harry, A History, Beedle the Bard and now...the Lexicon, an 
> > Unauthorised Guide...
> > 
> > Looks like things have been worked out to some extent.
> > 
> > Here's the link from--where else-- The Lexicon
> > 
> > http://www.hp-lexicon.info/whats_new.php
> > 
> 

Alla:

Yeah, I saw that. I am glad, although my feelings about Steve's book 
are pretty much unchanged - not buying, even with the edits. However, 
I finally got to reading Melissa's book today and it surprised me and 
not in a good way, I am sorry to say.

I had only read like forty pages on my subway ride home and, well, I 
feel bad saying it and I hope that I am not coming off as a 
hypocrite, being ESL speaker and all that, but pretty much every 
second paragraph makes me cringe.

I am not sure if it is a totally subjective reaction, but to me the 
sentences just do not flow. I mean, I do love what she writes about 
and I most definitely finish it, but well, it is not a smooth read to 
me, at all. I mean, I loved Melissa's articles on Leaky, pretty much 
all of them, not sure what it is with the book.

Wierd. 

Alla




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 16 02:55:45 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:55:45 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi6ua1+mcnv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi75bh+q0l0@eGroups.com>

zanooda:
> >  But Rickman is great anyway - I don't accept him as Snape because 
> > he is so old, but no one can deny that he is great, great, great 
> > :-).
 
> Potioncat, shocked..shocked! Old? She checks Rickman's 
> birthdate...nope. Doesn't look old to her. She takes a look at his 
> characters in more recent movies...still looking good there.
> 
> Not at all old. Although he does excede age expections as far as 
> Snape is concerned.
> 
> Potioncat, who thinks someone should have asked the question, "how 
> old are the characters and will it matter to the plot?" before they 
> did any casting.

SSSusan:
Yep, I think they just decided Rickman was too perfect to pass up, in 
spite of his "advanced years."  I mean, there's no question that he 
doesn't match up with canon!Snape's age.

But I suspect you & I are giving away more about ourselves, Potioncat, 
in our saying, "What? Old?  You think Alan Rickman is OLD?"  Why, the 
guy is a mere 62.  :)

Siriusly Snapey Susan

>





From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 03:13:24 2008
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:13:24 -0500
Subject: Wrock Around the Rock at Azkatraz on July 17, 2009!
Message-ID: <5913e6f80812151913i250488a7rc653bcfc880a1b2c@mail.gmail.com>

In conjunction with HP Alliance, and in support of Amnesty
International, HPEF is taking wizard rock into San Francisco Bay with
WROCK AROUND THE ROCK, a four-hour cruise featuring wrock, games, and
a tour of Alcatraz from the water.

There will be food, an open bar (three hour open bar with alcohol
available for a small additional fee), and music from Brian from the
Draco Malfoys, The Remus Lupins, The Whomping Willows, The House of
Black, Ministry of Magic and more!

Also, we'll have one deck on the yacht that's music-free, with space
for games, conversation and, of course, food!

NOTE: We need to sell at least 300 tickets by the beginning of March
for the cruise to happen. If we don't, we'll give full refunds and
find another way to wrock out on Friday night, but it won't be
anywhere near as fantastic as WROCK AROUND THE ROCK could be!

You can purchase up to four tickets now if you have a one-day, full or
Merlin's Circle registration; if there are still tickets available,
we'll open purchases to the general public in February, 2009.

Cost - $75 for the first 150 registrants, $90 once we hit 150
registrants, through March 1, $100 thereafter. (If you're over 21, you
can add the full-bar option for $25 any time before July 1; we'll be
adding it as a separate option in late January, and if you have a WATR
ticket, it cannot sell out.)

Check out the poster at http://www.hp2009.org/images/wrock/Poster.jpg
and learn more about the event at our FAQ at
http://www.hp2009.org/?q=node/42

Hope to see you at Azkatraz next summer!



From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 03:45:44 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:45:44 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi6ua1+mcnv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi7898+foff@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:

> In CoS when Ron and Harry are looking into the 
> Great Hall and wondering aloud where Snape is, he interrupts them 
> with something along the line of "or maybe he's wondering why you 
> didn't arrrive on the train with the other students..."
> 
> Granted, Ron and Harry were pretty frightened at that point, but I 
> thought it was funny.


zanooda:

It was very funny, but it's not in the way that I meant :-).  Snape is 
funny here in the sense that what he is saying is funny.  He is being 
sarcastic, and the sarcasm is aimed at the boys, so it's them who are 
being made fun of.  I meant Snape being funny in the sense of *him* 
being made fun of, like in this scene from the movie.  

I don't remember anything like that in the books.  Maybe the closest is 
Slughorn's party, where Slughorn treats Snape with a familiarity that 
makes the latter uncomfortable, but it's not exactly funny.  If anyone 
ever attempts to make Snape look funny ("There's no need to call 
me 'sir', Professor" :-)), there will be immediate retaliation :-). 

Oh, there is also that scene where Neville transforms Boggart!Snape 
into Gran, which *is* funny, but again, it's not the same as make fun 
of real live Snape :-). Only DD is allowed to make a little fun of 
Snape, but, in the light of all we know now it doesn't seem funny 
anymore.





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 04:05:32 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:05:32 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi75bh+q0l0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi79ed+g8kv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:

> Yep, I think they just decided Rickman was too perfect to pass up, in 
> spite of his "advanced years."  I mean, there's no question that he 
> doesn't match up with canon!Snape's age.


zanooda:

Wasn't it you who said that they possibly didn't know Snape's age yet, 
when they started filming the first movie :-)?


>  Why, the guy is a mere 62. :)

If only he could look at least like he looked in "Die Hard" ... ;-(





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Dec 16 13:11:31 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:11:31 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi79ed+g8kv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi89e3+j9jj@eGroups.com>

> zanooda:
> 
> It was very funny, but it's not in the way that I meant :-).  Snape 
is 
> funny here in the sense that what he is saying is funny.  He is 
being 
> sarcastic, and the sarcasm is aimed at the boys, so it's them who 
are 
> being made fun of.  I meant Snape being funny in the sense of *him* 
?? being made fun of, like in this scene from the movie.

Potioncat:
Agreed. I was sort of being silly. 

The re-writes I especially didn't like were the scenes between Snape 
and Umbridge. They played much better in the books.


> SSSusan: 
> But I suspect you & I are giving away more about ourselves, 
Potioncat, 
> in our saying, "What? Old?  You think Alan Rickman is OLD?"  Why, 
the 
> guy is a mere 62.  :)


Potioncat:
Yep, giving away a lot I'm sure. ;-)



> zanooda:
> 
> Wasn't it you who said that they possibly didn't know Snape's age 
yet, 
> when they started filming the first movie :-)?
> 
> 
> >  Why, the guy is a mere 62. :)
> 
> If only he could look at least like he looked in "Die Hard" ... ;-(

Potioncat:
It may have been SSSusan, but I'm sure I've said it too. The readers 
didn't know about the ages when the movies first came out. I remember 
being very surprised that Lily and James were so young when it was 
revealed. But--JKR should have known. 

If you want a Snape of about the right age, look for an old BBC 
production of "Romeo and Juliet".  It's one of a series of plays put 
on decades ago. You'll see Rickman in a Snape-like wig---being 
snarky.  It's Snape in tights.

Potioncat, If only I could look like what I looked like when Die Hard 
came out?K.










From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Dec 16 14:03:54 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:03:54 -0000
Subject: An Unauthorised Guide to Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <gi72qa+a9v8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi8cga+e0f8@eGroups.com>

 
> Alla:
snip

> 
> I am not sure if it is a totally subjective reaction, but to me the 
> sentences just do not flow. I mean, I do love what she writes about 
> and I most definitely finish it, but well, it is not a smooth read to 
> me, at all. I mean, I loved Melissa's articles on Leaky, pretty much 
> all of them, not sure what it is with the book.
> 
> Wierd. 
> 
> Alla


Potioncat:
I had the same reaction to an excerpt on the web. While I was 
interested in some of the information, the flow was distracting. It was 
one page, mind you, so I can't speak for the book. I did think someone 
should have chosen a better hook for the sample. I'll sure I'll read 
it, though, as soon as our library gets a copy.

I think I'm getting Beedle for Christmas. We saw it at Target ($7.50, 
Melissa's book was $12.) My son got a thoughtful grin on his face, so 
I'm prety sure I'll be unwrapping it on Christmas.


Speaking of hooks, I can still vividly remember hearing a section of 
OoP being read before the book came out. It was the part where Harry 
meets Hermione and Ron at 12 GP. Even seeing the scene in the movie, I 
can still feel the excitement of hearing it for the first time.


Potioncat, not counting her Beedles yet.





From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 16 17:02:08 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:02:08 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi79ed+g8kv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi8mug+j1jn@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> > Yep, I think they just decided Rickman was too perfect to pass up, 
> > in spite of his "advanced years."  I mean, there's no question that 
> > he doesn't match up with canon!Snape's age.

> zanooda:
> Wasn't it you who said that they possibly didn't know Snape's age 
> yet, when they started filming the first movie :-)?

SSSusan:
Huh.  Did I say that??  Maybe I should take credit for saying that, 
although I have no recollection of it. :D  

Then again, JKR could always have gently instructed the casting folks 
about what age Snape should have been, if they were way off course like 
that.  That she didn't makes me think she must've approved of the 
decision.

 
SSSusan: 
> >  Why, the guy is a mere 62. :)

Zanooda: 
> If only he could look at least like he looked in "Die Hard" ... ;-(

SSSusan:
::whistle blows::  Foul!! No fair!  Die Hard was released *twenty* 
years ago.  Which one of us can claim to look the same as, or even as 
good as, we did 20 years ago?  Hmmmm??

;)

Siriusly Snapey Susan







From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 16 17:28:15 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:28:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi8mug+j1jn@eGroups.com>
References: <gi79ed+g8kv@eGroups.com> <gi8mug+j1jn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009101c95fa3$b014a220$103de660$@com>



-----Original Message-----
\

Then again, JKR could always have gently instructed the casting folks 
about what age Snape should have been, if they were way off course like 
that.  That she didn't makes me think she must've approved of the 
decision.

 


md:

Rowling had no say in the casting. None. Only the producer / director gets
that. And before anyone starts with telling me how big she is and how
powerful her money makes her, no, she had no say in the casting. Her only
involvement in the film was with the screenwriter and some consulting on
visuals / costumes. Basically, details. If she'd have even a co-producer
credit, then I'd say she might have had a say in the cast.

md




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 16 18:33:53 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:33:53 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <009101c95fa3$b014a220$103de660$@com>
Message-ID: <gi8sah+he5u@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
>>> Then again, JKR could always have gently instructed the casting 
folks about what age Snape should have been, if they were way off 
course like that.  That she didn't makes me think she must've 
approved of the decision. <<<

md:
> Rowling had no say in the casting. None. Only the producer / 
> director gets that. And before anyone starts with telling me how 
> big she is and how powerful her money makes her, no, she had no say 
> in the casting. Her only involvement in the film was with the 
> screenwriter and some consulting on visuals / costumes. Basically, 
> details. If she'd have even a co-producer credit, then I'd say she 
> might have had a say in the cast.


SSSusan:
I recognize that she wasn't asked to provide a wish list of actors.  
I also am not saying that she had veto power over an actor (outside 
of her insistence that all be cast with British actors).  What I said 
was that, if casting was going in a direction that didn't make sense 
(such as using an inappropriately-aged actor), she might well have 
let the movie folks know.  And I base that upon interviews I have 
read.  

It's long been acknowledged that JKR WANTED Robbie Coltrane as 
Hagrid.  It's also been acknowledged by Alfonso Cuaron that she *did* 
have input into some key features of the film (e.g., he wanted to 
place a graveyard on the Hogwarts grounds, and while she didn't 
demand that he not do so, she told him that a graveyard *would* play 
later in the series, and Cuaron was quite content to do something 
different after finding out).  I remember that interview and his 
saying how helpful she was.   

This is a particularly useful interview to read on these matters:
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2001/1111-telegraph-alderson.html

The Cuaron interview is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_3758000/3758101.stm

So I guess I would like to ask for your source for the "had no 
say...none" remark. 

Siriusly Snapey Susan






From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 16 19:48:50 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:48:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
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-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cubfanbudwoman
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:34 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)



So I guess I would like to ask for your source for the "had no 
say...none" remark. 

Siriusly Snapey Susan




------------------------------------

How did I just know, just know that if all I did was make a comment that you
would take offense and respond as if I had attacked you personally?

My source? Everything I've read and heard since they began making the films.

And credits.

See, there are very strict rules for credits in a film, and Rowling is
neither a producer or director, therefore she can "say" all she wants, but
no one has to listen. My point is that she could have screamed from the
mountain tops "NO! He's too old to play Snape! NO. NO. NO!!!" and Chris
Columbus and pals didn't have to do anything about it. 

You mention the Graveyard, and I'll mention the clock tower -- yes, Rowling
was consulted on these things because of continuity -- she created a world
and the directors had to stay within that world. It's my understand that she
provided WB with such things as sketches of Hogwarts grounds and the like,
and Columbus stated that he asked he where to put Harry's scar, aesthetics.

My point was only that, in the end, she had no power. I don't need to source
that, she has "based on" credits, that means she had no power and once she
sold the movie rights was fortunate they consulted her, most authors don't
get that much.

md 




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 20:15:02 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:15:02 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi8mug+j1jn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi9286+1c27@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "cubfanbudwoman" 
<susiequsie23 at ...> wrote:

> Huh.  Did I say that??  Maybe I should take credit for saying that, 
> although I have no recollection of it. :D 


zanooda:

Sorry! It was Potioncat, I remember now :-). We were on the movie 
list, and I was whining, as usual, about Snape being old, and then 
she said it :-).


> SSSusan:
 
> Then again, JKR could always have gently instructed the 
> casting folks about what age Snape should have been, 
> if they were way off course like that. 


zanooda:

Maybe she also thought that he was too good :-). 

  
> SSSusan:
 
> Die Hard was released *twenty* years ago.  Which one of 
> us can claim to look the same as, or even as good as we 
> did 20 years ago?  Hmmmm??


zanooda:

No one can :-)! OTOH, *we* are not actors hired to play somebody who 
is 25 years younger :-)! I understand though that most people don't 
care about Movie!Snape's and Movie!Sirius's age. It's just me :-).




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 16 20:21:38 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:21:38 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi89e3+j9jj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi92ki+1q1r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:
 
> The re-writes I especially didn't like were the scenes 
> between Snape and Umbridge. They played much better in 
> the books.


zanooda:

*Everything* is better in the books :-). But admit that one of the 
Snape/Umbridge scenes was funny :-). I mean the one where he 
says "obviously" :-).




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 16 20:50:47 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:50:47 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <002c01c95fb7$53f57960$fbe06c20$@com>
Message-ID: <gi94b7+pos5@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> So I guess I would like to ask for your source for the "had no 
> say...none" remark. 
 
md:
> How did I just know, just know that if all I did was make a comment 
> that you would take offense and respond as if I had attacked you 
> personally?

SSSusan:
Wha-???  I didn't take anything personally at all.  You quoted me, so 
I responded with my reasoning for my remark.  How is that taking 
offense, to attempt to have a discussion?

You know, when a person takes a very strongly stated position at one 
of the HPfGU groups [such as that JKR had "no role at all"], it tends 
to bring out challenges.  What I did was provide some sources for the 
position I took and asked whether you could do the same for yours.  
That's pretty much SOP around HPfGU.  I didn't call you names or 
insult you, so I'm not quite sure where all this is coming from.


md:
> My point is that she could have screamed from the mountain 
> tops "NO! He's too old to play Snape! NO. NO. NO!!!" and Chris
> Columbus and pals didn't have to do anything about it. 

SSSusan:
I imagine that, legally, you are correct.  Again, a "rights 
perspective" wasn't what I had been saying, so much as that I was 
trying to point out that JKR *has* been involved in various ways and 
that she has felt that she's been included -- that her input has been 
invited, in fact.  That's why I included the links that I did.

>From the first, for example:
"The first time I met Chris Columbus, the director, he promised me 
two things: he promised that he would remain as faithful to the book 
as he possibly could within the constraints of film; and he promised 
me that he would have an all-British cast. And, he kept both promises 
and so I was a happy woman," Rowling said.

Sounds to me like a situation where, whether he HAD to or not, the 
director wanted to do what would make JKR happy and in fact did so.  

With this and with the examples about her input on the grounds and, 
as you've mentioned, continuity concerns, it is my conclusion that 
JKR's input has been welcomed, across more than one director.  So my 
contention that JKR *could* have gently instructed the movie PTB *if* 
she was concerned about something I still think is a reasonable 
conclusion.  No, there's no guarantee that anyone would've listened 
to her or done as she suggested, but I do think there has been a 
pattern of folks having done so.


md:
> My point was only that, in the end, she had no power. I don't need 
> to source that, she has "based on" credits, that means she had no 
> power and once she sold the movie rights was fortunate they 
> consulted her, most authors don't get that much.

SSSusan:
Okey dokey, and I see you position re: legal rights.  I've been 
talking more about a culture of respect for and of listening to the 
author.  

And I'm just saying that providing a quote or two tends to help one's 
cause.  

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 21:19:59 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:19:59 -0000
Subject: Casting decisions (was: Half-Blood Prince)
In-Reply-To: <gi92ki+1q1r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gi961v+dh38@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom@> 
> wrote:
>  
> > The re-writes I especially didn't like were the scenes 
> > between Snape and Umbridge. They played much better in 
> > the books.
> 
> 
> zanooda:
> 
> *Everything* is better in the books :-). But admit that one of the 
> Snape/Umbridge scenes was funny :-). I mean the one where he 
> says "obviously" :-).

Geoff:
It's the *way* he says it. It's got distinct undertones of "Of course I didn't 
get it otherwise I wouldn't be here listening to a silly old bat like you 
rabbiting on and on...":
:-)






From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 17 02:45:04 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:45:04 -0000
Subject: Some very sad news
Message-ID: <gi9p3g+qaft@eGroups.com>

It is with a very heavy heart that I pass along the sad news that a 
long-time member of the HPfGU community has passed away.  A fellow 
list member and friend of hers let us know that Anita Hillin, aka 
AKH, a member of HPfGU for 5 1/2 years, recently died from ovarian 
cancer.  Her funeral was on December 12th in Illinois.

While AKH posted here at OTC on occasion, many of you will remember 
her more for her tremendous leadership in our chapter discussions.  
She led us in chapter 33 of the OotP discussion; chapters 7, 17 and 
20 of the Half-Blood Prince discussion; and chapters 2 and 17 of the 
Deathly Hallows read.

While her final post appears to have been the chapter summary for 
Deathly Hallows chapter 17 
[ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/182348 ], 
it somehow seems appropriate that AKH's next-to-last post was a 
supportive, encouraging response to someone who felt she was asking a 
stupid question:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/181931

Rest in Peace, Anita.  You will be missed.

Shorty Elf/Siriusly Snapey Susan











From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 17 04:50:54 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:50:54 -0000
Subject: Some very sad news
In-Reply-To: <gi9p3g+qaft@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gia0fe+pbje@eGroups.com>

> Shorty Elf/Siriusly Snapey Susan wrote:
>
> It is with a very heavy heart that I pass along the sad news that
> a long-time member of the HPfGU community has passed away.  A
> fellow list member and friend of hers let us know that Anita
> Hillin, aka AKH, a member of HPfGU for 5 1/2 years, recently died
> from ovarian cancer. Her funeral was on December 12th in Illinois.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> While her final post appears to have been the chapter summary for 
> Deathly Hallows chapter 17 
> [ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/182348 ], 
> it somehow seems appropriate that AKH's next-to-last post was a 
> supportive, encouraging response to someone who felt she was
> asking a stupid question:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/181931
> 
> Rest in Peace, Anita.  You will be missed.

Mike:

Oh geez, this is such sad news. I didn't know Anita personally, but
I too will miss her.

When I was just a wet behind the ears newbie to HPfGU I wrote an
offlist to a long time member. It was my first ever attempt to
offlist with someone and for all intents and purposes was the first
time I ever initiated an email with someone I didn't know personally.
I was slightly scared that I shouldn't be writing to someone with
such trivial comments as 'you and I have the same birthday, and are
both fair skinned with red hair.' I was relieved and elated when
Anita wrote me back with such a cheery and positive response. I
figured these HPfGUers were an okay lot after that.

It hurts my heart to lose someone that was so nice. :((





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 17 16:37:56 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:37:56 -0000
Subject: Band of Gypsies - Dan Radcliffe
Message-ID: <gib9t4+abgi@eGroups.com>

As you may well know, every year the hand out 'Gypsy of the Year'
awards to the supporting cast and dancers in Broadway shows. This
is also used as an excuse to raise money for AIDS.

This year, the crew of 'Equus' set a new record for funds raise;
+$203,000, with at total of well over $3,000,000 raised this
year. 

As part of the show Dan did a fantastic homo-erotic send up of
himself and the Equus cast. I really is truly hysterical.

In it Dan sings and dances, and if I understand correctly, he
wrote the lyric for the songs.

'Gypsy of the Year - 2008'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e2vqAcINtqM

You can find other videos on YouTube by searching -

"Gypsy of the Year 2008"

Enjoy.

Steve/bluewizard






From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 17 18:14:39 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:14:39 -0000
Subject: Prince Harry
Message-ID: <gibfif+7mee@eGroups.com>


Personally I prefer the movies to the books for the simple reason that I
enjoy how the movies lead the audience into a certain direction. Why is
Voldermolt trying to kill Harry? Is it possible he is simply a
psychopath or is there a method to his madness? My opinion is that
perhaps Harry has something Voldy needs, perhaps, now I say just perhaps
Harry Potter could be Royalty?

Steve





From childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 01:40:57 2008
From: childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com (Carol Lynn)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:40:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
References: <gibfif+7mee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <474816.76099.qm@web56208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Steve
    
Personally I prefer the movies to the books for the simple reason that
I enjoy how the movies lead the audience into a certain direction. Why is Voldermolt trying to kill Harry? Is it possible he is simply a
psychopath or is there a method to his madness? My opinion is that
perhaps Harry has something Voldy needs, perhaps, now I say just 
perhaps Harry Potter could be Royalty?



I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between them...maybe that's why the connection.

 
Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com



From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec 18 02:24:39 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:24:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
In-Reply-To: <474816.76099.qm@web56208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:41 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry



I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between
them...maybe that's why the connection.

 
Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com

------------------------------------
I presume you haven't read the books, then. They are not related -- the
connection is clearly explained in OOTP, not so well in the film, but very
clearly in the book.




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 02:27:09 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:27:09 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
Message-ID: <giccdt+pd4u@eGroups.com>


We learned in the Sorcerers Stone that Harry was the "boy who lived".
However, why was so much effort put into the fact that Harry was so
famous? Who exactly is Harry Potter? As the series continues Harry
appears to have special powers far above that of the average Wizard.

Who was Lily and James Potter besides being Harry's parents? What made
them so special? I believe the secret to Harry Potter is not in his
present or future but rather in his past.

Steve



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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 03:03:54 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:03:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
Message-ID: <202923.70514.qm@web59403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Carol,
?
Until the Sorcerers Stone was released on Video I had never heard of Harry Potter however, once I had watched the movie I was hooked. In Chamber of Secrets Professor Dumbledor told Harry that he suspected that when Lord Voldermolt attempted to kill Harry as an infant he had transferred some of his powers to Harry. As we now know thanks to the Goblet of Fire ole Voldy has squared away that problem yet he still is unable to kill Harry. So why continue? There must be a reason.
?
Steve



--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 8:40 PM






Steve

Personally I prefer the movies to the books for the simple reason that
I enjoy how the movies lead the audience into a certain direction. Why is Voldermolt trying to kill Harry? Is it possible he is simply a
psychopath or is there a method to his madness? My opinion is that
perhaps Harry has something Voldy needs, perhaps, now I say just 
perhaps Harry Potter could be Royalty?

I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between them....maybe that's why the connection.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com
 














      

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From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Thu Dec 18 03:27:23 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:27:23 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <giccdt+pd4u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gicfur+l398@eGroups.com>

 Steve
 
In Chamber of Secrets Professor Dumbledor told Harry that he suspected
that when Lord Voldermolt attempted to kill Harry as an infant he had
transferred some of his powers to Harry.

Anne:

Dumbledore is right to a certain extent.  Harry has part of LV's soul
in him.


Steve:
 As we now know thanks to the Goblet of Fire ole Voldy has squared
away that problem yet he still is unable to kill Harry. So why
continue? There must be a reason.

Anne now:

Voldemort wanted to kill Harry because there was a prophecy which stated:

    "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord
approaches...Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the
seventh month dies....and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal,
but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die
at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other
survives
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born
as the seventh month dies..." 

Snape overheard the first part of the prophecy and reported it to LV.
 That, of course, was before he realized that Lily Potter, the love of
his life, would become a target.  This was before Snape became
Dumbledore's Man.  This is also before Snape killed Dumbledore on his
orders.

Harry didn't die because Lily had a chance "to step aside."  She
didn't and because of her love sacrifice Harry became a Horcrux,  That
means that Harry has part of Voldemort's soul inside of him.  Lord
Volemort can't die until all of his numerous Horcruxes are destroyed.





From childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 03:47:38 2008
From: childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com (Carol Lynn)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:47:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
References: <202923.70514.qm@web59403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I love all the Harry Potter movies. I have all five and I cannot wait til the new one comes out. My two year old daughter is even a fan and she knows Harry Potter when she sees him. It's so cute. 
My ex husband on the other hand keeps tryin to convince me that the movies are a bad influence and that I shouldn't let Heaven watch them, mostly because of the magic in the movies. But I see nothing wrong with them.

 
Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com

 
 




________________________________
From: Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at yahoo.com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:03:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry


Hi Carol,
 
Until the Sorcerers Stone was released on Video I had never heard of Harry Potter however, once I had watched the movie I was hooked. In Chamber of Secrets Professor Dumbledor told Harry that he suspected that when Lord Voldermolt attempted to kill Harry as an infant he had transferred some of his powers to Harry. As we now know thanks to the Goblet of Fire ole Voldy has squared away that problem yet he still is unable to kill Harry. So why continue? There must be a reason.
 
Steve

--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 8:40 PM

Steve

Personally I prefer the movies to the books for the simple reason that
I enjoy how the movies lead the audience into a certain direction. Why is Voldermolt trying to kill Harry? Is it possible he is simply a
psychopath or is there a method to his madness? My opinion is that
perhaps Harry has something Voldy needs, perhaps, now I say just 
perhaps Harry Potter could be Royalty?

I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between them....maybe that's why the connection.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com


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From childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 03:48:48 2008
From: childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com (Carol Lynn)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:48:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] In support of my Prince Harry theory.
References: <giccdt+pd4u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <877593.72604.qm@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Steve:
> We learned in the Sorcerers Stone that Harry was the 
> "boy who lived".  However, why was so much effort put
> into the fact that Harry was so famous? Who exactly is 
> Harry Potter? As the series continues Harry appears to
> have special powers far above that of the average Wizard.
>
> Who was Lily and James Potter besides being Harry's
> parents? What made them so special? I believe the secret 
> to Harry Potter is not in his present or future but rather
> in his past.


Yeah. That would make a lot of sense. I haven't read all the 
books so I'm kinda in the dark on the next movie.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com





From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec 18 06:49:21 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:49:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <202923.70514.qm@web59403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c960dc$c471e540$4d55afc0$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:48 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy

I love all the Harry Potter movies. I have all five and I cannot wait til
the new one comes out. My two year old daughter is even a fan and she knows
Harry Potter when she sees him. It's so cute. 
My ex husband on the other hand keeps tryin to convince me that the movies
are a bad influence and that I shouldn't let Heaven watch them, mostly
because of the magic in the movies. But I see nothing wrong with them.

 
Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com

Harry Potter is a moral story, the fantasy is just that, fantasy. I think
people that have a problem with it -- usually on religious counts -- are
just silly. Actually, it bothers me, a lot. There's nothing in Harry Potter
except growing up, growing wiser, and overcoming evil. Harry won't even let
his godfather kill the man who sold out his parents, he even has a hard time
when Snape, who sent Voldy after him in the first place, dies. Harry's
entire defense is love.

What could be the bad influence of sacrifice, love, honestly, friendship,
loyalty?

md




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 14:38:48 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:38:48 -0000
Subject: Prince Harry
In-Reply-To: <00a401c960b7$ca0d7110$5e285330$@com>
Message-ID: <gidn9o+2ou6@eGroups.com>

---  "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:

> Steve/vand195550  
> 
> ...
 
> I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation
> between them...maybe that's why the connection.
> 
>  
> Carol Lynn Cumberland
> childofgod19832003 at ...
> 
> ------------------------------------
> I presume you haven't read the books, then. They are not related
> -- the connection is clearly explained in OOTP, not so well in 
> the film, but very clearly in the book.
>

bboyminn:

It is not a question of whether Voldie and Harry are related,
but rather whether that relationship is anything significant.

For example, I'm related through a long convoluted process to
Lyman Hall, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence,
but they would laugh me out of the state, if I tried to claim
any inheritance or family rights to the Hall Estate. 

So, we are related technically, but practically or functionally,
it is a insignificant relationship.

Harry /IS/ related to Voldemort through the Peverell line.
Mad-old Gaunt, who is Tom Riddle's grandfather, can trace his
line back to the Peverell's. Harry can trace his line back to
one of the other Peverell brothers. That is where their 
mutual family tree intersects, but how far the family tree
fans out from the point of intersect is probably pretty large
and therefore insignificant beyond being an interesting bit
of information. 

So, they are related, but they are not related. As Sirius says,
virtually all the pureblood families are inter-related in some
way. It is just that in Harry and Voldie's case, the relationship
is distant and generally insignificant.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 14:49:36 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:49:36 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <giccdt+pd4u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gidnu0+o6jn@eGroups.com>

---  "steve" <vand195550 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ... Harry was the "boy who lived". However, why ... the fact 
> that Harry was so famous? Who exactly is Harry Potter? As the
> series continues Harry appears to have special powers ....
> 
> Who was Lily and James Potter besides being Harry's parents? 
> What made them so special? I believe the secret to Harry Potter
> is not in his present or future but rather in his past.
> 
> Steve
> 

bboyminn:

This connects with something I've touched on in the past. In
more distant Europe, and assuming you were not born of royalty
or 'the titled', most likely your wealth came from 'landed
estates'. 

Those who owned large tracts of land had by extension money. The
income from the land allowed them the cash to venture into 
business and expand their wealth.

Notice that Harry inherits a vault full of gold, BUT no 
possessions or land; not Potter ancestral home. no landed
estate. Though there certainly must have been one at one time. 

First keep in mind that inherited wealth was not shared equally,
it usually went to the first born son, and the rest were more or
less out in the cold fending for themselves. 

So, an underlying question is where did the senior potters get 
their wealth, and why was there no property or general 
possessions involved in Harry's inheritance? Other than the 
cloak and the map.

I don't have the answer, but I still find it a fascinating
question.

Steve/bboyminn






From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec 18 16:06:44 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:06:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Prince Harry
In-Reply-To: <gidn9o+2ou6@eGroups.com>
References: <00a401c960b7$ca0d7110$5e285330$@com> <gidn9o+2ou6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004101c9612a$a1e0ba30$e5a22e90$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:39 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Prince Harry

So, they are related, but they are not related. As Sirius says,
virtually all the pureblood families are inter-related in some
way. It is just that in Harry and Voldie's case, the relationship
is distant and generally insignificant.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn


------------------------------------
Completely missed that, guess because the first reference is early in HBP
and I'm horrid with names.

md




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 17:28:13 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0000
Subject: Prince Harry
In-Reply-To: <00a401c960b7$ca0d7110$5e285330$@com>
Message-ID: <gie17d+isqj@eGroups.com>


Cabal,

If I am reading what you are saying correctly it is a discussion I have
had previously. In Order of the Pheonix the Amway cleary informs Harry
what he must do. "The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord
approaches, for he will have more power than that of the dark lord, for
neither can survive while the other lives".

BTW, FYI, 60% of Harry Potter fans read the books while 40% only watch
the movies.

Steve V.

"A writer writes, a reader reads.
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:41 PM
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
>
>
>
> I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between
> them...maybe that's why the connection.
>
>
> Carol Lynn Cumberland
> childofgod19832003 at ...
>
> ------------------------------------
> I presume you haven't read the books, then. They are not related --
the
> connection is clearly explained in OOTP, not so well in the film, but
very
> clearly in the book.
>




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From childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 14:10:10 2008
From: childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com (Carol Lynn)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:10:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
References: <202923.70514.qm@web59403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <005d01c960dc$c471e540$4d55afc0$@com>
Message-ID: <512762.2023.qm@web56202.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


md:
>> Harry Potter is a moral story, the fantasy is just 
that, fantasy. I think people that have a problem with 
it -- usually on religious counts -- are just silly. 
Actually, it bothers me, a lot. There's nothing in 
Harry Potter except growing up, growing wiser, and 
overcoming evil. Harry won't even let his godfather 
kill the man who sold out his parents, he even has a 
hard time when Snape, who sent Voldy after him in the 
first place, dies. Harry's entire defense is love.

What could be the bad influence of sacrifice, love, 
honestly, friendship, loyalty? <<


    
Carol Lynn:
I don't know. I tired to explain all that to my ex-husband, 
but he's still retarded. He watches Charmed all the time 
and it's the same as HP. At least I think it is.

 


 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 18:47:31 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:47:31 -0000
Subject: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gie5s3+ioh2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Carol Lynn
<childofgod19832003 at ...> wrote:
>
> I love all the Harry Potter movies. I have all five and I cannot
wait til the new one comes out. My two year old daughter is even a fan
and she knows Harry Potter when she sees him. It's so cute. 
> My ex husband on the other hand keeps tryin to convince me that the
movies are a bad influence and that I shouldn't let Heaven watch them,
mostly because of the magic in the movies. But I see nothing wrong
with them.
> 
>  
> Carol Lynn Cumberland
> childofgod19832003 at ...

Carol responds:

Hi, Carol Lynn. You might want to be careful of spoilers here as most
of us have read all the books multiple times and tend to take for
granted that other readers know, for example, who the Half-Blood
Prince is. If you enjoy the movies, I'm sure you'll enjoy the books as
well. (You might want to tell your ex-husband that J. K. Rowling (or
JKR, as we call her) is a Christian. She doesn't believe in magic in
real life and is definitely not advocating the practice of witchcraft
by Muggles like us (who couldn't perform it, anyway, because we don't
have magical "blood" or genes). The later movies will probably be too
violent for a two-year-old and beyond her comprehension, as are the
books, which we adults enjoy discussing.

Anyway, if you read the books, most of your questions will be
answered. As for the new Steve's question about Harry's being royalty,
the books answer that question as well. There's no royalty in the WW
(Wizarding World), unless you count a certain Half-Blood Prince, who
isn't Harry.

Carol, whose middle name is also Lynn but who has never been called
Carol Lynn by anyone except her kindergarten teacher




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 20:11:32 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:11:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <005d01c960dc$c471e540$4d55afc0$@com>
Message-ID: <754638.96970.qm@web59412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
?
My two cents, what attracted me to the Harry Potter films is exactly what you have said the morality of Harry. And that's the whole point of these movies.
?
Steve V



--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Cabal <md at exit-reality.com> wrote:

From: Cabal <md at exit-reality.com>
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 1:49 AM








-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Carol Lynn
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:48 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy

I love all the Harry Potter movies. I have all five and I cannot wait til
the new one comes out. My two year old daughter is even a fan and she knows
Harry Potter when she sees him. It's so cute. 
My ex husband on the other hand keeps tryin to convince me that the movies
are a bad influence and that I shouldn't let Heaven watch them, mostly
because of the magic in the movies. But I see nothing wrong with them.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com

Harry Potter is a moral story, the fantasy is just that, fantasy. I think
people that have a problem with it -- usually on religious counts -- are
just silly. Actually, it bothers me, a lot. There's nothing in Harry Potter
except growing up, growing wiser, and overcoming evil. Harry won't even let
his godfather kill the man who sold out his parents, he even has a hard time
when Snape, who sent Voldy after him in the first place, dies. Harry's
entire defense is love.

What could be the bad influence of sacrifice, love, honestly, friendship,
loyalty?

md

 














      

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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 20:15:14 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:15:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <877593.72604.qm@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <461125.80659.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Carol,
?
As a professional writer this might sound a bit strange, I have not read any of the Novels I prefer the movies which from my perspective are far more entertaining.
?
Steve



--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] In support of my Prince Harry theory.
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:48 PM






Steve:
> We learned in the Sorcerers Stone that Harry was the 
> "boy who lived". However, why was so much effort put
> into the fact that Harry was so famous? Who exactly is 
> Harry Potter? As the series continues Harry appears to
> have special powers far above that of the average Wizard.
>
> Who was Lily and James Potter besides being Harry's
> parents? What made them so special? I believe the secret 
> to Harry Potter is not in his present or future but rather
> in his past.

Yeah. That would make a lot of sense. I haven't read all the 
books so I'm kinda in the dark on the next movie.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com

 














      

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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 20:28:00 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:28:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <57182.96559.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Carol,
?
Its an interesting theory however, nothing?in the first five films suggests that Harry and Voldy are related. I believe with Harry dead Voldermolt would then be able to take over the wizardry world. This of course won't happen. Harry will prevail the only question then becomes at what cost?
?
Steve



--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:47 PM






I love all the Harry Potter movies. I have all five and I cannot wait til the new one comes out. My two year old daughter is even a fan and she knows Harry Potter when she sees him. It's so cute. 
My ex husband on the other hand keeps tryin to convince me that the movies are a bad influence and that I shouldn't let Heaven watch them, mostly because of the magic in the movies. But I see nothing wrong with them.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Stephen Vandecasteele <vand195550 at yahoo. com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:03:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry

Hi Carol,

Until the Sorcerers Stone was released on Video I had never heard of Harry Potter however, once I had watched the movie I was hooked. In Chamber of Secrets Professor Dumbledor told Harry that he suspected that when Lord Voldermolt attempted to kill Harry as an infant he had transferred some of his powers to Harry. As we now know thanks to the Goblet of Fire ole Voldy has squared away that problem yet he still is unable to kill Harry. So why continue? There must be a reason.

Steve

--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 @ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Carol Lynn <childofgod19832003 @ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Prince Harry
To: HPFGU-OTChatter@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 8:40 PM

Steve

Personally I prefer the movies to the books for the simple reason that
I enjoy how the movies lead the audience into a certain direction. Why is Voldermolt trying to kill Harry? Is it possible he is simply a
psychopath or is there a method to his madness? My opinion is that
perhaps Harry has something Voldy needs, perhaps, now I say just 
perhaps Harry Potter could be Royalty?

I've always wondered if there was some sort of blood relation between them.....maybe that's why the connection.

Carol Lynn Cumberland
childofgod19832003@ yahoo.com

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From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 18 22:33:50 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:33:50 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <461125.80659.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <giej4e+nluj@eGroups.com>

?
> As a professional writer this might sound a bit strange, I have not 
read any of the Novels I prefer the movies which from my perspective 
are far more entertaining.

Magpie:
But how would you know the movies are far more entertaining if you 
haven't read the books?

-m




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 23:08:53 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:08:53 -0000
Subject: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <57182.96559.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <giel65+98cg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> I believe with Harry dead Voldermolt would then be able to 
> take over the wizardry world. This of course won't happen. 
> Harry will prevail the only question then becomes at what cost?


zanooda:

I don't understand, is it a question or what :-)? Because, if it is, I
must warn you - we've read all the books here, so we actually *can*
answer your question :-). You wouldn't want to read spoilers, would
you :-)? It may be safer in this respect on our movie list.







From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Dec 18 23:25:19 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:25:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <57182.96559.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <4316.91719.qm@web56204.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <57182.96559.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c96167$e47ad230$ad707690$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Vandecasteele
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:28 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy

Hi Carol,
?
Its an interesting theory however, nothing?in the first five films suggests
that Harry and Voldy are related. I believe with Harry dead Voldermolt would
then be able to take over the wizardry world. This of course won't happen.
Harry will prevail the only question then becomes at what cost?
?
Steve


::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

The movies won't make a connection between Harry and Voldy because the only
scene in HBP where there's a hint to Voldy being a descendent is not going
to be in the film. 

But The Deathly Hallows is part of the Tales of Beedle the Bard -- the one
Hallow is a perfect, indestructible invisibility cloak of which there is
none like it (and Harry has just such a cloak) and the brother that had it
is buried in Godric's Hollow (where Harry's parents lived) which leads Harry
to believe he is a descendent of the brother -- in a flash-back in HBP
Voldy's granddad says he's descendent of the three brothers. 

So, by that logic, it's possible that Harry and Voldemort are both related
to them and so, distantly, to eachother.

md




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 00:46:20 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
Message-ID: <215695.94480.qm@web59411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

MJ,

I couldn't disagree more, granted I am merely following the movies however, as a writer I do understand the concept of storylines. Nothing thus far has convinced me of your argument. I am however still convinced that Harry Potter has royal blood.

Steve


--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Cabal <md at exit-reality.com> wrote:

> From: Cabal <md at exit-reality.com>
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HP...The Good or Evil
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> Hi Carol,
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> Its an interesting theory however, nothing?in the first
> five films suggests
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> course won't happen.
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> Harry will prevail the only question then becomes at what
> cost?
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> The movies won't make a connection between Harry and
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> lived) which leads Harry
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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 00:50:11 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:50:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
Message-ID: <979114.90134.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

With all due respect, a question is followed by a question mark(?) while a statement or opinion is followed by a period(.).

Steve


--- On Thu, 12/18/08, zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: zanooda2 <zanooda2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:08 PM
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From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 01:10:12 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:10:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
Message-ID: <293991.97961.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

My first experience in the Harry Potter world was renting the Sorcerers Stone upon its release way back when. I made the decision then that I wouldn't read the books and watch the movies as well. As to your question, I have through the years participated as a member of a number of Harry Potter groups. I have a strict policy of not getting drawn into a debate over the Harry Potter books versus the Movies.

Cheers
Steve


--- On Thu, 12/18/08, sistermagpie <sistermagpie at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: sistermagpie <sistermagpie at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 5:33 PM
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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 01:20:20 2008
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:20:20 -0500
Subject: Video Studio Sessions at ZEUM
Message-ID: <5913e6f80812181720l79e74c43x75cbffe2b203e241@mail.gmail.com>

Does your wrock band want to make a video?

Does your podcast want to try vid-casting?

Does your RPG want to move into cosplaying?

Do you and your fellow cosplayers want to do some live-action role-playing?

Do you want to turn your fanfic into a short film?

Are you ready to get creative?

Book some studio time at ZEUM on Monday, July 20, as part of
Creativity Is Magic Day (sponsored by FictionAlley) and have fun
working with a two camera setup, using the green screen, and playing
with the special effects in the editing bay.

We'll be recording everything, and you'll leave Azkatraz with a flash
drive or DVD of the magic you created in the ZEUM video studio.

The cost is $50 for 25 minutes, $100 for 55 minutes. First come, first
served in scheduling - times are available from 9:00 AM until 5:30 PM,
and the instructions for reserving time can be viewed during the
registration process. Full registrants, Merlin's Circle registrants
and those holding a registration for only Monday are able to reserve
studio time.



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 01:42:30 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:42:30 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <293991.97961.qm@web59406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gieu66+9onk@eGroups.com>


steve wrote earlier:
> > > As a professional writer this might sound a bit
> > strange, I have not 
> > read any of the Novels I prefer the movies which from my
> > perspective  are far more entertaining.

> > Magpie asked reasonably:
> > But how would you know the movies are far more entertaining
> > if you haven't read the books?

> steve answered:
> My first experience in the Harry Potter world was renting the
Sorcerers Stone upon its release way back when. I made the decision
then that I wouldn't read the books and watch the movies as well. As
to your question, I have through the years participated as a member of
a number of Harry Potter groups. I have a strict policy of not getting
drawn into a debate over the Harry Potter books versus the Movies.

Kemper now:
Hi Steve, and welcome!
I understand not wanting to participate in debate over book v movies,
but I think what magpie was asking is how you can find one genre over
the other "far more entertaining" as you put it earlier when you have
no experience with the books.  Or are you trying to say something else?

If you respond, would you please bottom post (like I just did with you
post after rearranging it to make it more understandable)... it makes
it far more easier to read.  Thank you!

Kemper




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 02:20:00 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:20:00 -0000
Subject: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <979114.90134.qm@web59409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gif0cg+ijcf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Stephen Vandecasteele
<vand195550 at ...> wrote:

> With all due respect, a question is followed by a question 
> mark(?) while a statement or opinion is followed by a period(.).


zanooda:

Who knows, it could have been a rhetorical question ...





From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 02:35:31 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:35:31 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gieu66+9onk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gif19j+j5md@eGroups.com>


Hi Kemper,

I am intelligent enough to read between the lines.  I don't know what I
have done to be treated with such hostility? From the discussions of
books vs movies it is blatantly obvious that there is a distinct
difference. I have skimmed through some of the books and my critique is
this. Thank God for the Harry Potter movies. And no I wasn't trying to
say anything else.

Steve
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor"
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
> Kemper now:
> Hi Steve, and welcome!
> I understand not wanting to participate in debate over book v movies,
> but I think what magpie was asking is how you can find one genre over
> the other "far more entertaining" as you put it earlier when you have
> no experience with the books. Or are you trying to say something else?
>
> If you respond, would you please bottom post (like I just did with you
> post after rearranging it to make it more understandable)... it makes
> it far more easier to read. Thank you!
>
> Kemper
>






From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec 19 03:50:35 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:50:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gif19j+j5md@eGroups.com>
References: <gieu66+9onk@eGroups.com> <gif19j+j5md@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005301c9618c$f49e71b0$dddb5510$@com>



-----Original Message-----


Steve
> If you respond, would you please bottom post (like I just did with you
> post after rearranging it to make it more understandable)... it makes
> it far more easier to read. Thank you!
>
>
.yahoo.com/info/terms/

MD

I respect the bottom posting rule, because it was there before I. 

But honestly,  I hate it. It makes it more tiresome to post, and I don't
like having to scroll all-the-way down to read the new post. I want to click
through and read the tops, especially if I'm following the thread.

So, I'll respect it because it's the rule, but it's easier "for you" not
easier for all. If  you like it, great, I'm happy it serves a purpose.

No offence, I just can't believe what a big deal it is here, I've never seen
the rule on any other group, and I don't care for it. So it's the rule, but
I don't think it's better, just different.

md




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 04:04:52 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:04:52 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gif19j+j5md@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gif6h4+1igh@eGroups.com>

> Steve:
> I am intelligent enough to read between the lines.  

Kemper now:
I am not intelligent enough to understand what you mean by the above :D

Steve:
> I don't know what I
> have done to be treated with such hostility? 

Kemper now:
You have done nothing wrong to be treated with hostility as far as I
can tell which is why you are not being treated with any hostility.

Steve:
> From the discussions of
> books vs movies it is blatantly obvious that there is a distinct
> difference. I have skimmed through some of the books and my critique
is this. 

Kemper now:
I see the miscommunication.  You meant to say that you /have/ read the
books to some degree but find they have less to offer than the movies.
 I understand!

Steve:
> Thank God for the Harry Potter movies. 

Kemper now:
I hope you are right with regards to the 7th and 8th movie.  I so look
forward to Slytherin colors flying in the Room of Requirement and
Slytherin students defending Hogwarts, dueling and dieing in the fray.
 ::fingers crossed::

Kemper




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Dec 19 04:12:00 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:12:00 -0000
Subject: Pay no attention
Message-ID: <gif6ug+73qg@eGroups.com>

Kindly disregard the deleted post above :-)

Or, if you've read it, please strike it from memory.

I chalk it up to a long day at work, a busy evening in the house, and 3 
teenagers at home.

Potioncat




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 04:24:39 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:24:39 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <005301c9618c$f49e71b0$dddb5510$@com>
Message-ID: <gif7m7+rvgs@eGroups.com>

> Steve (really, Kemper wrote):
> If you respond, would you please bottom post (like I just did with you
> post after rearranging it to make it more understandable)... it makes
> it far more easier to read. Thank you!

> MD replied without attributing to me:
> I respect the bottom posting rule, because it was there before I. 
> 
> But honestly,  I hate it. It makes it more tiresome to post, and I don't
> like having to scroll all-the-way down to read the new post. I want
to click
> through and read the tops, especially if I'm following the thread.
> 
> So, I'll respect it because it's the rule, but it's easier "for you" not
> easier for all. 

Kemper now:
Hey MD!  I thought you were talking to Steve until I came to the 'for
you' part.  
Yes, it makes it easier for me.  The rule was here before me as well.
 (This group is nearly 8 years old)I didn't understand it, but
followed it after getting a howler from my elf, Shorty.  It sucked!
Snipping, attributing and signing... lame!  But, as time passed, I've
come to understand it, appreciate it, and can't imagine going back to
my old way.  I can see if you haven't yet or won't ever.

I've taken the high standard of this group and practice it in other
groups whose members are less -clear?- in some of their posting or
responses.

Kemper




From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec 19 06:18:59 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:18:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gif7m7+rvgs@eGroups.com>
References: <005301c9618c$f49e71b0$dddb5510$@com> <gif7m7+rvgs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c961a1$b06e0900$114a1b00$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kempermentor
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:25 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.


Kemper now:
Hey MD!  I thought you were talking to Steve until I came to the 'for
you' part.  
Yes, it makes it easier for me.  The rule was here before me as well.
 (This group is nearly 8 years old)I didn't understand it, but
followed it after getting a howler from my elf, Shorty.  It sucked!
Snipping, attributing and signing... lame!  But, as time passed, I've
come to understand it, appreciate it, and can't imagine going back to
my old way.  I can see if you haven't yet or won't ever.

I've taken the high standard of this group and practice it in other
groups whose members are less -clear?- in some of their posting or
responses.

Kemper


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All the other groups I've belonged to (and those I still do) I snip leaving
the "original message" info intact, the only difference is that everyone
post above. That way, if you are following the threads and reading the post
in order you can just click through with your e-mails arranged by time /
date received and you can read most of the post just in the preview window
-- I'm a scanner and a skimmer, so that works real well for me. 

For my personal taste having to scroll down through everything I've all
ready read to look for the new post --- it's been explained to me but I
still don't get the appeal.

Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guess... when in Rome.


md




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Fri Dec 19 06:38:41 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:38:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <005301c9618c$f49e71b0$dddb5510$@com>
Message-ID: <494b4174.0610c00a.0ccf.24ac@mx.google.com>

[MD]:
| I respect the bottom posting rule, because it was there before I. 
| 
| But honestly,  I hate it. It makes it more tiresome to post, 
| and I don't
| like having to scroll all-the-way down to read the new post. 

<SNIP>
[Lee]:
Ah--but as you gather, it does serve a purpose.  It's even better when
people trim posts and cut all but the salient points.  For those of us with
text-to-speech screen-readers, this gives us a chance to see who is
responding to whom, especially if the rule of attribution is followed.  I,
personally, hate reading a top-posted message without knowing to what it is
alluding.  Posting as I'm posting here, if I read it, I know that Lee is
responding to something MD says, and that keeps the thread neat, so to
speak. :-)

Cheers, and Merry Christmas!

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 16:43:58 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:43:58 -0000
Subject: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <00e401c96167$e47ad230$ad707690$@com>
Message-ID: <gigj0e+49n2@eGroups.com>

the new Steve wrote:
> Its an interesting theory however, nothing in the first five films
suggests that Harry and Voldy are related. I believe with Harry dead
Voldermolt would then be able to take over the wizardry world. This of
course won't happen.
> Harry will prevail the only question then becomes at what cost?

Cabal responded:
> The movies won't make a connection between Harry and Voldy because
the only scene in HBP where there's a hint to Voldy being a descendent
is not going to be in the film. 
> 
> But The Deathly Hallows is part of the Tales of Beedle the Bard -- 
<spoilers belatedly deleted>
>
Carol responds:

Is it fair to our new members (Carol Lynn and the new Steve) to
provide spoilers without a warning? neither of them has read the
books. (I can see providing info from the first five books that wasn't
included in the film versions, but we're ruining the movies for them
by telling them so much.)

To Carol Lynn and new Steve: You're missing out by not reading the
books! The first three might take you all of a week to read. You can
read the entire set in a month or less by reading just a few hours a
night.

Carol, seconding zanooda in suggesting the movie list rather than OT
or the main list for members who haven't read the books and noting
that they'll encounter spoilers even there




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 16:53:03 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (Stephen Vandecasteele)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:53:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
Message-ID: <300758.35398.qm@web59407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

First, as to the spoilers I think the cats out of the bag no pun intended. Secondly, I write primarily non-fiction, to be released in the Spring, Elvis, "A Fans Perspective".

Thanks
Steve



--- On Thu, 12/18/08, potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote:

> From: potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com>
> Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
> To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 10:48 PM
> 
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> > I am intelligent enough to read between the lines.  I
> don't know what 
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> I
> 
> > have done to be treated with such hostility? From the
> discussions of
> 
> > books vs movies it is blatantly obvious that there is
> a distinct
> 
> > difference. I have skimmed through some of the books
> and my critique 
> 
> is
> 
> > this. Thank God for the Harry Potter movies. And no I
> wasn't trying to
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> Potioncat:
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> Welcomed Steve...and Carol Lynn too!
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> I would say that most of us are rabid canon freaks...that
> is we stick 
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> this site as 
> 
> we do at the main list, but still, pretty close. So we
> frequently 
> 
> compare movie to book. Just a warning, if you don't
> want any endings 
> 
> ruined.
> 
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> 
> We also have several incredibly gifted non-native English
> speakers So 
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> Please don't 
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> classes. 
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> That's what we do here. 
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 16:58:16 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:58:16 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <005301c9618c$f49e71b0$dddb5510$@com>
Message-ID: <gigjr8+s4ln@eGroups.com>

Cabal wrote: 
> I respect the bottom posting rule, because it was there before I. 
> 
> But honestly,  I hate it. It makes it more tiresome to post, and I
don't like having to scroll all-the-way down to read the new post. I
want to click through and read the tops, especially if I'm following
the thread.
> 
> So, I'll respect it because it's the rule, but it's easier "for you"
not easier for all. If  you like it, great, I'm happy it serves a purpose.
> 
> No offence, I just can't believe what a big deal it is here, I've
never seen the rule on any other group, and I don't care for it. So
it's the rule, but I don't think it's better, just different.

Carol responds:
For the record, I have the same rule in my Ted Levine group. Posting
after the response (and judicious snipping) makes it much easier for
most readers to follow the conversation (including, as has been noted,
our several visually impaired readers) and eliminates the string of
meaningless old posts full of carets at the end of a post. It's a
courtesy to others and the convention here.

There's also the alternative of responding point by point to a post, as in

Cabal wrote:
> xxxxxxxxxx.

Carol responds:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Cabal wrote:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Carol responds:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

You might like that highly conversational format better.

Carol, wishing everyone joy and wondering what happened to the spirit
of the Christmas/holiday season





From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec 19 17:00:27 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:00:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
In-Reply-To: <gigj0e+49n2@eGroups.com>
References: <00e401c96167$e47ad230$ad707690$@com> <gigj0e+49n2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c961fb$4b13bc80$e13b3580$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:44 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: HP...The Good or Evil Controversy
>
Carol responds:

Is it fair to our new members (Carol Lynn and the new Steve) to
provide spoilers without a warning? neither of them has read the
books. (I can see providing info from the first five books that wasn't
included in the film versions, but we're ruining the movies for them
by telling them so much.)<snip>
\
________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________

MD:

I did not provide plot spoilers that make any difference to any of the major
plot lines. The information I provided may very well come out in any trailer
and because the last book has been out for over a year and a half -- is all
over the internet.

Sorry, but that was not spoiler material.

I didn't mention anything that affects the outcome of the books or films --
I simply provided some background information that you won't get from the
films. I couldn't possibly spoil the films, because what I discussed won't,
by and large, be in there. But I said nothing of anyone's fate, how or if
Voldemort is defeated, I didn't spoil anything for anyone and I don't
appreciate the insinuation. If you can tell me, how, anything I posted will
ruin or damage anyone's enjoyment of anything I'd be interested in knowing.

md




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 17:06:00 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:06:00 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <002c01c961a1$b06e0900$114a1b00$@com>
Message-ID: <gigk9p+evjm@eGroups.com>


MD wrote:
> <snip> 
> For my personal taste having to scroll down through everything I've
all ready read to look for the new post --- it's been explained to me
but I still don't get the appeal.
> 
> Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guess... when in Rome.
> 

Carol responds:
I read the posts onlist rather than in my e-mail (which I don't want
cluttered by posts from Yahoo groups), which may be why I prefer
bottom posting.

Carol, apologizing if I called you by the wrong name (I thought that
Cabal and MD were the same person)






From md at exit-reality.com  Fri Dec 19 18:02:52 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:02:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gigk9p+evjm@eGroups.com>
References: <002c01c961a1$b06e0900$114a1b00$@com> <gigk9p+evjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c96204$032aaf10$09800d30$@com>


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:06 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.


MD wrote:
> <snip> 
> For my personal taste having to scroll down through everything I've
all ready read to look for the new post --- it's been explained to me
but I still don't get the appeal.
> 
> Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guess... when in Rome.
> 

Carol responds:
I read the posts onlist rather than in my e-mail (which I don't want
cluttered by posts from Yahoo groups), which may be why I prefer
bottom posting.

Carol, apologizing if I called you by the wrong name (I thought that
Cabal and MD were the same person)




------------------------------------
They are the same, my screen name is cabal, my initials (what I sign with)
are md. I'm sorry for the confusion.

My bad.

md




From vand195550 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 18:06:17 2008
From: vand195550 at yahoo.com (steve)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:06:17 -0000
Subject: A misunderstanding
Message-ID: <gignqp+arlm@eGroups.com>


I believe that somehow or other there is a misunderstanding. As a writer
I try not to mislead the reader by injecting my personal view not the
views of others.

JK Rowling while a trulely talented writer, with a fantastic imagination
and worthy of praise has some flaws.

Personally I prefer the movies over the books yet, find both descussions
interesting. I should not take some of your views personally I only
expect the same in return.

I find this to be an interesting group with a variety of theories. At
the end of the day Harry wins and Voldy loses. Where is the spoiler in
this statement?

I enjoy the movies as an entertainment tool rather than one of
discussion. Order of the Phoenix is a terrific movie, well acted, well
directed and the special effects were outstanding. Of course, there is
always room for improvement.

The New Steve



A writer writes, a reader reads.



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From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 20:16:28 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:16:28 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <002501c96204$032aaf10$09800d30$@com>
Message-ID: <gigves+cpqn@eGroups.com>

> > MD wrote:
> > <snip> 
> > For my personal taste having to scroll down through everything
> > I've already read to look for the new post --- it's been
> > explained to me but I still don't get the appeal.
> > 
> 
> Carol responded:
> I read the posts onlist rather than in my e-mail, which may be
> why I prefer bottom posting.
> <snip>

Mike:
I too read on-line. I would guess that a large percentage of our 
group reads on-line, though I have no actual numbers to back me up. 
But one can quite often tell when a post was written from webview 
versus sent in via email.

Not to pick on new Steve, but I'm going to use one of his posts as an 
example. You'll have to take the link below and put yourself in the 
shoes of us on-line readers:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38289

Now, imagine you just read Steve's post and want to go to the next 
post in the thread. You have to scroll down to the bottom of his post 
where you'll find the rest of the posts in the thread. In this case, 
you have to scroll through a long bunch of junk that Steve left in to 
get to the next section. Disregarding the point about wondering to 
whom or what Steve is responding, this scrolling is very annoying to 
the on-line reader. If more people perform follow-on posting to 
Steve's the same way,... not hard to see how messy and unmanageable 
it would become to the on-line reader, does it?

BTW, I hit reply and spent a total of 2 minutes snipping, re-
formatting and even correcting a couple of typos in the previous 
posts before I began to write my response in this post. Because I 
snipped judiciously, you didn't have to scroll very far to get to my 
comments, did you? I don't think that's unreasonable to ask to make 
the experience of reading this list more friendly for all concerned.



> > MD wrote:
> > 
> > Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guest... when in Rome.

Mike:
No Marc, you are a member just like the rest of us. It's all of ours 
group, yours just as much as the rest. The rules of this group were 
made long before I joined too. I don't find them that onerous. YMMV




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 20 00:06:53 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:06:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gigves+cpqn@eGroups.com>
References: <002501c96204$032aaf10$09800d30$@com> <gigves+cpqn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c96236$dd749190$985db4b0$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:16 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.



> > MD wrote:
> > 
> > Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guest... when in Rome.

Mike:
No Marc, you are a member just like the rest of us. It's all of ours 
group, yours just as much as the rest. The rules of this group were 
made long before I joined too. I don't find them that onerous. YMMV


------------------------------------

I'll say no more -- not like it's infringing on my life. :-D

md




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 03:45:42 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:45:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Christmas/Holiday spirit (and a transit strike)
In-Reply-To: <gigjr8+s4ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <940077.19790.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

>> 
> Carol, wishing everyone joy and wondering what happened to
> the spirit
> of the Christmas/holiday season
> 

Sheryll:

I'll join you in wishing everyone joy and all the best of the festive season.

Much of our Christmas season has had a damper put on it by a public transit strike. We're heading into day 10 of the strike with our second snowstorm in 2 weeks about to hit us on Sunday. Not fun. As someone who doesn't work a 9-5 kind of day, I'm particulary hard hit. Carpooling and ridesharing isn't an option when you finish work between 11 and midnight. Even when I do work a day shift I head in the opposite direction from the average commuter because I go from the downtown core to the west end of the city.

So far I've had to give up about half my hours each week because I've been unable to find transportation to/from work. The week before the strike I had 40 hours on my paycheque (I work a part-time retail job, as lots of you know). Last week I worked just under 24 hours. Next week I have the same scheduled (23 hours). Still not sure how I'm getting to work and back on Christmas Day. *sigh*

I'm generally in support of striking workers but not this time. It's not over money but the fact that they don't want the city, their employer, to have complete control over scheduling. I've seen picketing workers delaying college students trying to park to get to exams. The additional traffic on the roads (up 20%) has caused delays for emergency vehicles (not to mention extremely lengthy commutes). A pedestrian was struck at an intersection yesterday. He died en route to hospital. No word in the news yet if he would have survived had the ambulance been able to get there sooner, though we definitely know it was delayed. We've also got the World Junior Hocky Championships staring here on Boxing Day (Dec. 26), so lots of out-of-town visitors.

Still, I refuse to let it all ruin my holiday. I cabbed to a Christmas gathering among friends last Sunday, the only chance for us to get together before my daughter heads back to university after the holidays. My shopping is done, my tree is up, my baking nearly complete. As opening manager on Christmas day it's my pleasure to take in enough cookies to keep us all on a sugar for the duration of our shift. <vbg> 

Sheryll, who can't cab to work and back because that would cost upwards of $40/shift


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From malra at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 20 06:01:11 2008
From: malra at shaw.ca (Teri Gardner)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:11 -0800
Subject: Movies vs. Book (was In Support of my Prince Harry Theory)
Message-ID: <2DC6FA67F50E4BF986B8080F1B7263D1@TeriPC>

steve wrote earlier:
> > > As a professional writer this might sound a bit
> > strange, I have not 
> > read any of the Novels I prefer the movies which from my
> > perspective are far more entertaining.

> > Magpie asked reasonably:
> > But how would you know the movies are far more entertaining
> > if you haven't read the books?

I post here rarely, but this conversation has been intriguing me.  I'm one of those people who love the books and love the movies too.  I actually don't like adaptations that stick to close to its source material to the nth degree because I like to see how the writer/director/producer envisions that source material.  How they interpret it.  If I want the book, or whatever, exactly, then I'll read the book.  Of course, some interpretations are better than others (for example, the first film based on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is painful for me to watch, but I really, really enjoyed the adaptation starring Johnny Depp).  

For me, as long as the spirit of the book is preserved, and I feel it is very much so in the Harry Potter films, I'm happy.  Yeah, sure there were things that bothered me about the movies, but overall I was very happy with them and I'm looking forward to the other films. :D

Teri

P.S. I also apologise for how I'm trimming posts.  My email program does weird things with the digest posts and I sort of have to do my best with cutting and pasting into new emails and editing them down.



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From malra at shaw.ca  Sat Dec 20 06:14:12 2008
From: malra at shaw.ca (Teri Gardner)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:14:12 -0800
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
Message-ID: <8C2953D4090A4B1BA206F6AA352E7955@TeriPC>

>>Steve
>> If you respond, would you please bottom post (like I just did with you
>> post after rearranging it to make it more understandable)... it makes
>> it far more easier to read. Thank you!
>> 
>> 
>> yahoo.com/info/terms/

>> MD

>I respect the bottom posting rule, because it was there before I. 

>But honestly, I hate it. It makes it more tiresome to post, and I don't
>like having to scroll all-the-way down to read the new post. I want to click
>through and read the tops, especially if I'm following the thread.
>
>So, I'll respect it because it's the rule, but it's easier "for you" not
>easier for all. If you like it, great, I'm happy it serves a purpose.
>
>No offence, I just can't believe what a big deal it is here, I've never seen
>the rule on any other group, and I don't care for it. So it's the rule, but
>I don't think it's better, just different.
>
>md

It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest, since I work at a law firm where absolutely nobody does bottom posting, so I understand the resistence to it.  At work, I need to see the most recent message at the top because otherwise I have to sometimes scroll for pages before I get to the meat of the post/instructions/ etc.  That can be really annoying.

I don't even use it normally in my usual correspondence but most of the other list groups I'm on are very informal and are much smaller than these ones are.

Teri



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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 07:36:52 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:36:52 -0000
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <8C2953D4090A4B1BA206F6AA352E7955@TeriPC>
Message-ID: <gii7ak+8h68@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Teri Gardner" <malra at ...> wrote:
 
Teri:
It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest, since I work at a law firm where absolutely 
nobody does bottom posting, so I understand the resistence to it.  At work, I need to see 
the most recent message at the top because otherwise I have to sometimes scroll for 
pages before I get to the meat of the post/instructions/ etc.  That can be really annoying.
> 
> I don't even use it normally in my usual correspondence but most of the other list 
groups I'm on are very informal and are much smaller than these ones are.
> 

Geoff:
Curious, isn't it?

I belong to several groups where bottom posting is the 
accepted norm.

Outside that, I find top posting alien. I do quite a lot of 
emailing in connect with my church and, again, pretty well 
everyone uses bottom posting.

To me it just seems logical to keep everything in chronological 
order.

C'est la vie.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 07:39:10 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:39:10 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <00c901c96236$dd749190$985db4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <gii7eu+58n0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote: 

MD:
 
> I'll say no more -- not like it's infringing on my life. :-D
 
> md

Geoff:
Beware. The list elves might hold you to that one....
:-)






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 16:02:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:02:59 -0000
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <gii7ak+8h68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gij4vj+q8v0@eGroups.com>

---  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> ---  "Teri Gardner" <malra@> wrote:
>  
> Teri:
> It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest, since I work
> at a law firm where absolutely nobody does bottom posting, so
> I understand the resistence to it.  ...
> > 
> > I don't even use it normally in my usual correspondence ...
> > 
> 
> Geoff:
> Curious, isn't it?
> 
> I belong to several groups where bottom posting is the 
> accepted norm.
> 
> Outside that, I find top posting alien. I do quite a lot of 
> emailing in .. my church ... pretty well everyone uses bottom 
> posting.
> 
> .. it ...seems logical to keep ... chronological 
> order.
> 
> C'est la vie.
>

bboyminn:

Likely most of the Top-Posting you are doing is in email and
most often only with one other person, though others may be 
copied on the email.

In that case, top posting is fine, because the other person
already knows what he said, and if he needs to check a point,
he can simply scroll down to his previous email.

In this and similar groups though, a single thread many be 
a conversation between a dozen people, and some of those 
people might be off on a side tangent. So it is important to 
establish immediately who and what you are responding to, 
otherwise, your response come without context.

Which brings us to the next point - Snipping. If we are 
involved in a thread, then likely just a quick short reference
at the top is enough to establish a framework for the post
that follows. 

If you look at Teri and Geof's posts above, though neither one
was all that long, you can see I have distilled them down to 
their core essence. That 'essence's is all that is necessary
to establish a frame of reference.

So, again, keep in mind that a given thread is actually a 
conversation between many people, and may actually have 
tangential sub-conversation within it. For your post to make
sense, you have to immediately establish a context for your
comments, and to do that, we first need to see who and what
you are referring to. 

Many times, I'll be making a comment to a subject in general
rather than a specific person, so I don't quote anyone. 
Invariable the first responding post will ask 'who are you 
responding to?'.

So, in one-on-one email, bottom posting really isn't necessary,
but in complex diverse conversations, establishing a frame of
reference for your response is a must.

Hey...I'm just saying...

Steve/bboyminn





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 16:19:10 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:19:10 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <002c01c961a1$b06e0900$114a1b00$@com>
Message-ID: <gij5tu+bc33@eGroups.com>

---  "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ...
> 
> Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guess... when in Rome.
> 
> 
> md
>

bboyminn:

Just a note as I stroll through the past darkly.

When I first joined the main group, I ran afoul of the MODS
many times. I called them up-tight, ridged, and anally retentive,
and those were the more polite expressions. But...you know what...
in the long run, I'm glad they were there, because the rules
absolutely improve the quality of the posts and the group in 
general.

Now, when I go to other discussion groups, I find it extremely
annoying. People are rude, and typically make comments just so
they can feel involved. In another group there is a girl who
has made over 2,000 posts, none of them more than 10 words and 
usually less. She never establishes a context to her statements,
she never elaborates on her theories. I would label her nothing
but a 'me too' poster, but I sense, in her mind, she does have
detailed comments to make, but they never make it to the page.

All the HPforGrownUps groups are just that, 'for grownups'; 
intelligent people having intelligent conversations. You won't
find any "he's so cute" or "I agree" or "you suck" post here
because as grown ups, we simply will not allow that waste of 
space.

So, despite the fact that the ridgedness of the rules, and the 
'Howlers' from the MODS annoyed the hell out of me in the 
beginning, I've come to love that because it improves the
quality of the posts and the conversations. I don't have to
put of with annoying 'fanboys/fangirls' giggling and screaming.

Trust me, the rule are annoying at first, but once you get 
used to them, you'll learn to appreciate them.

Steve/bboyminn





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 16:45:13 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:45:13 -0000
Subject: Movies vs. Book
In-Reply-To: <2DC6FA67F50E4BF986B8080F1B7263D1@TeriPC>
Message-ID: <gij7ep+stll@eGroups.com>

--- , "Teri Gardner" <malra at ...> wrote:
>
> steve wrote earlier:
> >> As a professional writer this might sound a bit strange,
> >> I have not  read any of the Novels I prefer the movies 
> >> which from my perspective are far more entertaining.
> 
> > Magpie asked reasonably:
> > But how would you know the movies are far more entertaining
> > if you haven't read the books?
> 
> I post here rarely, but this conversation has been intriguing
> me. I'm one of those people who love the books and love the 
> movies too.  ...
> 
> For me, as long as the spirit of the book is preserved, and 
> I feel it is very much so in the Harry Potter films, I'm happy.
> ...
> 
> Teri

bboyminn:

To Steve (New-Steve),I urge you to read the first book in the
HP series. It is short and easy read, and I am confident that
you will find the world much richer and much deeper than the
movies. And, if all you read is the first book, that's fine,
but I'm confident you will never regret having read it.

Fortunately, each book, but more so the first book, stands
alone as a complete and enjoyable story. You can read the first,
and be completely satisfied with the story told and the plot
resolution. 

The movies are a nice diversion, and a nice reminder of the
HP world, but they barely scratch the surface of what is there.
I do enjoy them, though I frequently come away annoyed at the
choices they make. But, I don't let it bother me too much, they
had to make difficult to impossible decisions to keep a given
movie from turning into a week-long mini-series. And they can't
possibly satisfy everyone by their choices. 

So, I just take it as it comes and enjoy them. But again, they
are a tiny fraction of the books. If you enjoy the movies, then
I would say, don't read the book until you have seen the movie.
If you do that, I'm certain you will enjoy both the book and the
movies that much more.

Personally, I could have never read Lord of the Rings if I hadn't 
seen the movie first. But the movie having established a frame of
reference for the books, allowed me to slog through the long
winded parts of the books easy enough because I knew that better
thing were coming soon. 

If you are not a big reader, then certainly allowing the movies
to establish the frame of reference, should make it that much 
easier and more enjoyable to read the books.

So, again, I urge you to read the first book. But to read it 
with no expectations, certainly with no expectation of continuing
to read the series (too much pressure). The first books stands 
alone. It is a short, easy, enjoyable read; a captivating story
with captivating endearing characters. Do it just for that.

Steve/bboyminn





From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 18:36:49 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:36:49 -0000
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <8C2953D4090A4B1BA206F6AA352E7955@TeriPC>
Message-ID: <gije01+s1ah@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Teri Gardner" <malra at ...> 
wrote:

> It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest


Bottom posting and snipping seem quite logical to me, maybe because I 
never belonged to another online group before this one :-). However, I 
think that these rules are not *that* important here, on the OT list, 
as well as on the movie list. The posts here are short, and we are just 
chatting anyway. Now on the Main list it would be just impossible to 
read without the bottom posting, IMO - far too difficult to follow who 
said what and who is answering to whom ... :-).


zanooda, who has no problem whatsoever with the group rules ...




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Dec 20 21:38:15 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:38:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <gij5tu+bc33@eGroups.com>
References: <002c01c961a1$b06e0900$114a1b00$@com> <gij5tu+bc33@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01c962eb$44793300$cd6b9900$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:19 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: In support of my Prince Harry theory.

---  "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ...
> 
> Oh well -- not my group, I'm just a guess... when in Rome.
> 
> 
> md
>

bboyminn:

Trust me, the rule are annoying at first, but once you get 
used to them, you'll learn to appreciate them.

Steve/bboyminn



------------------------------------
No, no I won't. I really was done talking about this, because I didn't want
people to think that I was some jerk who wanted to complain about semantics,
but I won't agree with you. I've been a member of various list for 10 years
and for me personally I see no benefit in this. I know other people prefer
it and I won't expect you to change your preferences to suit mine. Mostly I
was just irritated at getting not only mod-mails but mails from non-mods
off-list to remind me to bottom post. 

Seriously, it's not a big deal, I'm happy to comply for the greater good and
happiness of the list.

But, please, I haven't been 5 in 30 years, I won't learn the "right" way and
come to "appreciate" it.

mf




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 23:33:19 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:33:19 -0000
Subject: Movies vs. Book
In-Reply-To: <gij7ep+stll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gijvbv+6vvo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

bboyminn:
> Personally, I could have never read Lord of the Rings if I hadn't 
> seen the movie first. But the movie having established a frame of
> reference for the books, allowed me to slog through the long
> winded parts of the books easy enough because I knew that better
> thing were coming soon. 
> 
> If you are not a big reader, then certainly allowing the movies
> to establish the frame of reference, should make it that much 
> easier and more enjoyable to read the books.

Geoff:
In this context it's interesting that I approached HP and LOTR from 
diametrically opposed directions.

I first read LOTR round about 1955, a year or so after "The Return 
of the King" was published. I then read it, on average about once a 
year until the early 1970s when a growing family took up more time 
and other material such as "The Silmarillion" appeared. After the 
disastrous Bakshi cartoon film in the 1970s - of which I admit I 
only saw snippets - I set my face against seeing any other film 
version.

My eldest son persuaded me to view FOTR in 2001 and I decided 
that a decent version could be produced. There are places where 
I do feel the story line has been adjusted too much but Peter Jackson 
did a good job in explaining some of the changes he made 
sufficiently well to keep me on board and I watch my DVDs perhaps 
every two years or so.

With Harry, I was stupid enough to allow myself to be pressured by 
some members of my church into the "Harry Potter is bad" camp 
without investigating for myself. At the end of 2002, I went to see 
COS just after release in the cinema at Barry in South Wales while 
we were on holiday with a friend and was impressed enough to 
watch PS on Sky Box Office the same week. From this I went on rapidly 
to read books 1-4 (the only ones then in print) and I was hooked. I 
like the films but, as has been said, there is a lot missing and the plot 
lines have been altered in places so that, for the non-readers, 
questions appear which are not answered.

So  I am of the opinion that I can live with both versions and enjoy them 
and that it is possible to come from either direction and appreciate 
both forms in which the story is presented.




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sat Dec 20 23:41:44 2008
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:41:44 -0000
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <gii7ak+8h68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gijvro+hi9c@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Teri Gardner" <malra@> 
wrote:
>  
> Teri:
> It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest, since I work at a 
law firm where absolutely 
> nobody does bottom posting, so I understand the resistence to it.  
At work, I need to see 
> the most recent message at the top because otherwise I have to 
sometimes scroll for 
> pages before I get to the meat of the post/instructions/ etc.  That 
can be really annoying.
> > 
> > I don't even use it normally in my usual correspondence but most 
of the other list 
> groups I'm on are very informal and are much smaller than these 
ones are.
> > 
> 
> Geoff:
> Curious, isn't it?
> 
> I belong to several groups where bottom posting is the 
> accepted norm.
> 
> Outside that, I find top posting alien. I do quite a lot of 
> emailing in connect with my church and, again, pretty well 
> everyone uses bottom posting.
> 
> To me it just seems logical to keep everything in chronological 
> order.
> 
> C'est la vie.

Marianne: I'm on a music list that posting is a free-for-all.  We 
have top posters, bottom posters, posts that appear in the middle of 
the original posts and answered per paragraph.  Most of the time the 
> are left in so a person can make some kind of sense as to where a 
new post is.

Subject lines start with one particular discussion and end up, 
sometimes a week later, with the same subject line but a totally 
different discussion or several different discussions going on at the 
same time. Most of the time there is no chronological order.  Some 
people trim their posts, but not very often.

If someone goes way too far in comments that are extremely insulting, 
bad taste, etc., then the MODS will step in.  Other than that 
anything goes.

The MODS/Elfs here would have a ball sending "Howlers" out on that 
list.  Sorry this is so long.

Marianne
A good friend will bail you out of jail.
A great friend will be sitting in the cell next to you saying
"Damn, we screwed up, but it was fun."
>





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Dec 21 01:11:52 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:11:52 -0000
Subject: Dan / Potter inheritance / royal blood / transit strike
Message-ID: <gik54o+rs10@eGroups.com>

Steve bboyminn wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38252>:

<< In it Dan sings and dances, and if I understand correctly, he
wrote the lyric for the songs.

'Gypsy of the Year - 2008'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e2vqAcINtqM >>

Thank you! That was delightful to watch.

Steve bboyminn wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38252>:

<< Notice that Harry inherits a vault full of gold, BUT no
possessions or land; not Potter ancestral home. no landed
estate. Though there certainly must have been one at one time.
(snip)
So, an underlying question is where did the senior potters get
their wealth, and why was there no property or general
possessions involved in Harry's inheritance? Other than the
cloak and the map. >>

The Potters, even the Peverells, may never have owned a landed estate.
Medieval wizards didn't need land as a source of wealth. They could
use magic as a source of wealth. Sell potions to Muggles. Charge to
cast a rain-making spell during a drought. Make fabulously beautiful
furniture and sell it to wizards and Muggles. Invent the Golden Snitch
and sell them to wizards. Kidnap a rich Muggle's child by Apparating
into the nursery and Side-Along Apprating out, and demand a large
ransom. Cast the Imperius Curse on a rich Muggle and just tell him to
give you all his gold. 

I'm confused whether the house where James and Lily died belonged to
the Potters or belonged to Dumbledore. It was destroyed with all its
contents except baby Harry, so if it was the Potter ancestral home,
that explains what happened to all the heirlooms that hadn't been lent
out like the Cloak.

Voldemort wasn't the first Dark Wizard to threaten the survival of
British wizarddom, so the Potter ancestral home and whatever heirlooms
it contained could have been destroyed in a previous generation.

Stephen Vandecasteele wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38274>:

<< I am however still convinced that Harry Potter has royal
blood. >>

Is not the blood of a royal Muggle muddier and less blessed than the
magical blood of a common wizard?

Sheryll wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38297>:

<< Much of our Christmas season has had a damper put on it by a public
transit strike. We're heading into day 10 of the strike with our
second snowstorm in 2 weeks about to hit us on Sunday. Not fun. As
someone who doesn't work a 9-5 kind of day, I'm particulary hard hit.
(snip) So far I've had to give up about half my hours each week
because I've been unable to find transportation to/from work. The week
before the strike I had 40 hours on my paycheque (I work a part-time
retail job, as lots of you know). Last week I worked just under 24
hours. Next week I have the same scheduled (23 hours). Still not sure
how I'm getting to work and back on Christmas Day. *sigh* >>

Oh, poor Sheryll. Can your husband drive you to work and come back to
pick you up on Xmas day?

<< Still, I refuse to let it all ruin my holiday. I cabbed to a
Christmas gathering among friends last Sunday, the only chance for us
to get together before my daughter heads back to university after the
holidays. My shopping is done, my tree is up, my baking nearly
complete. As opening manager on Christmas day it's my pleasure to take
in enough cookies to keep us all on a sugar for the duration of our
shift. <vbg> >>

Bless your attitude




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Dec 21 04:50:25 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:50:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Christmas/Holiday spirit (and a transit strike)
In-Reply-To: <940077.19790.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <gigjr8+s4ln@eGroups.com>
 <940077.19790.qm@web63402.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D8C81EB80A6E4CA7B0C1A24185688B00@musiclee>

| Sheryll, who can't cab to work and back because that would 
| cost upwards of $40/shift

[Lee]:
I vote we give this lady a broomstick for Christmas...or a smaller version
of Sirius's flying motorcycle.  Then she could use a Reducio charm and hide
the broomstick or cycle in her purse until it's neded again.

Cheers and butterbeers,

Lee :-)





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 05:31:12 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:31:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] re:  Christmas spirit/transit strike
In-Reply-To: <gik54o+rs10@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <338375.69347.qm@web63406.mail.re1.yahoo.com>



 Catlady wrote:

> Oh, poor Sheryll. Can your husband drive you to work and
> come back to
> pick you up on Xmas day?

Sheryll:

We don't own a car and neither of us drive. He's been cycling to work since the strike started! Andy's also now off work until early January. Well, his regular job, anyway. The last day of school was Friday, so no more kids to feed until they come back. He is working Christmas and Boxing Day for the Rent-a-Chef company. He'll be cooking for at a home for retired Jesuit priests for those days.

His brother is driving me to work and back today but he works days and is already at work when I need a ride Tuesday afternoon. Believe it or not, I think one of my customers is going to drive me home on Tuesday! I mentioned I didn't have a ride and he said he could probably come in just before closing to rent a movie and give me a lift. 

Have I mentioned before how many great customers I have?
> 

Sheryll, originally:
> << Still, I refuse to let it all ruin my holiday. I
> cabbed to a
> Christmas gathering among friends last Sunday, the only
> chance for us
> to get together before my daughter heads back to university
> after the
> holidays. My shopping is done, my tree is up, my baking
> nearly
> complete. As opening manager on Christmas day it's my
> pleasure to take
> in enough cookies to keep us all on a sugar for the
> duration of our
> shift. <vbg> >>
> 

Catlady:
> Bless your attitude
> 
Sheryll:

I'm a big believer (and practitioner) of holiday spirit, I just can't help myself. I give gifts to strangers, put my tree up right at the beginning of December, bake far more cookies than we can eat. I even own enough pairs of Christmas-themed socks to wear a different pair every day of December until the 25th (my daughter started my collection when she was little - she's 25 now!). 

My parents dropped off all our gifts yesterday afternoon before they picked Nyssa up for their trip to my grandmother's place for the holiday. It's all I can do not to peek! The only gift I know, though, is the one from my eldest nephew. I didn't mean to peek at that one but one of the cats was trying to get into the gift bag to sleep and I saw the gift as I was taping the bag shut. Hee, he got me slippers that look like big elf shoes! *does happy dance*

Hey, what you all snickering at? Surely someone almost 50 is allowed to be delighted with elf shoes/slippers? <vbg>

[Lee]:
I vote we give this lady a broomstick for Christmas...or a smaller version
of Sirius's flying motorcycle.  Then she could use a Reducio charm and hide
the broomstick or cycle in her purse until it's neded again.

Sheryll: 

Oh, both of those sound like the solution to my problem! 

Just be sure to send more warm clothes along with them. It's been pretty cold here this weekend.

Sheryll


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Date: 21 Dec 2008 18:41:47 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/21/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 20:48:16 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:48:16 -0000
Subject: In support of my Prince Harry theory.
In-Reply-To: <002501c96204$032aaf10$09800d30$@com>
Message-ID: <gima2g+gmul@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier
> Carol, apologizing if I called you by the wrong name (I thought that
Cabal and MD were the same person)

Cabal/MD responded:
> They are the same, my screen name is cabal, my initials (what I sign
with) are md. I'm sorry for the confusion.
> 
> My bad.

Carol again:

No problem at all. Thanks for the explanation.

Carol, waiting for her cranberry/golden raisin muffins to bake




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 20:55:35 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:55:35 -0000
Subject: Movies vs. Book (was In Support of my Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <2DC6FA67F50E4BF986B8080F1B7263D1@TeriPC>
Message-ID: <gimag7+d08o@eGroups.com>

Teri wrote:
> 
> P.S. I also apologise for how I'm trimming posts.  My email program
does weird things with the digest posts and I sort of have to do my
best with cutting and pasting into new emails and editing them down.

Carol responds:

Actually, you've done a pretty good job, but have you tried posting
online (from the website)? Much easier, and no e-mail program to
hassle with. Just a suggestion!

Carol, wishing everyone a happy first day of Winter







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 21 20:58:34 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:58:34 -0000
Subject: Bottom Posting (was In Support of My Prince Harry Theory)
In-Reply-To: <8C2953D4090A4B1BA206F6AA352E7955@TeriPC>
Message-ID: <gimalq+77lp@eGroups.com>

Teri wrote:
> It's an alien posting style to me, to be honest, since I work at a
law firm where absolutely nobody does bottom posting, so I understand
the resistence to it.  At work, I need to see the most recent message
at the top because otherwise I have to sometimes scroll for pages
before I get to the meat of the post/instructions/ etc.  That can be
really annoying.
<snip>

Carol responds:

That's why we snip evertything we're not responding to!

Carol, who has to go rescue her muffins before they burn





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 04:20:45 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:20:45 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
Message-ID: <gin4it+jiso@eGroups.com>

I finished it. I mean, it got better eventually. However, I still 
find the writing style to be well, I don't know if choppy is the good 
word, but it definitely did not flow well with me, not all the time.

I am most likely keeping the book as a piece of history, but would I 
recommend buying it for somebody else? Right now, probably not. I did 
not enjoy it nearly as much as I expected to enjoy it and that is 
despite the fact that I find the subject matter to be fascinating.

I also probably expected the focus of the book to be a bit more on 
fandom in general and a little less on Mellissa's life. I mean, I 
know, I know that her life in fandom is connected with many 
significant events, but somehow I expected something, I am not even 
sure what.

Regardless though, no matter what I expected, I was not moved enough 
by the story I was reading. I mean, in some places I was, but it 
definitely was not the book I could not put down before I finish. I 
had been reading four other books with it and when I feel like 
switching a book it tells me something.

Alla




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 15:13:11 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:13:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <gin4it+jiso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Alla:

> I finished it. I mean, it got better eventually. However, I
> still 
> find the writing style to be well, I don't know if
> choppy is the good 
> word, but it definitely did not flow well with me, not all
> the time.
> 
Sheryll:

Agreed, the writing didn't always flow well, something I find very distracting when I read.

Alla:
> I am most likely keeping the book as a piece of history,
> but would I 
> recommend buying it for somebody else? Right now, probably
> not. I did 
> not enjoy it nearly as much as I expected to enjoy it and
> that is 
> despite the fact that I find the subject matter to be
> fascinating.
> 
> I also probably expected the focus of the book to be a bit
> more on 
> fandom in general and a little less on Mellissa's life.
> I mean, I 
> know, I know that her life in fandom is connected with many
> 
> significant events, but somehow I expected something, I am
> not even 
> sure what.
> 
Sheryll:

Another agreement. The story was more "My Life in HP Fandom" than it was a history of the fandom. There were significant things left out of the book simply, I'm sure, because they didn't touch on the author's experience.

For example, she talked about how crowded bookstores started to get for JKR's appearances as the books became more popular. While she mentions statistics for some bookstores she completely omits the biggest of all JKR's readings. Her appearance at SkyDome in Toronto post-GoF still holds the record for largest public reading in history with 22,000+ attendees.

She mentions Nimbus and I think one other HP conference, despite the fact that there have been numerous events both in the US and elsewhere (Patronus, Accio, etc).

Alla:
> Regardless though, no matter what I expected, I was not
> moved enough 
> by the story I was reading. I mean, in some places I was,
> but it 
> definitely was not the book I could not put down before I
> finish. I 
> had been reading four other books with it and when I feel
> like 
> switching a book it tells me something.
> 
Sheryll:

I did read it right through, but I made numerous notes in my copy. :)

It was obviously poorly edited if no one caught the mistranslation of the title of the first book in French. It translates 'Harry Potter a l'ecole des sorciers' as 'Harry Potter and the School of Magic'.

Her references to HPFGU go no further than talking about the shipping wars and she consistently refers to us as Harry Potter for Grownups, which is another group completely, instead of HPforGrownups. I noticed that she also included the URLs to specific Main list posts in her Notes section. She joined Main in October of last year but never posted, so I would gather she joined only to find the necessary information for her book.

The book is heavy on Leaky Cauldron, a fair bit of history of Sugar Quill, a bit on Fiction Alley, a lot of wizard rock history (with a main focus on Harry and the Potters - a few other bands are mentioned, but with nowhere near as much detail). 

There's little in the book that's outside her own experiences, so I wouldn't call it a true or complete history of the HP fandom. A good history of the author in fandom would be more accurate.

I think the book is a decent enough addition to my shelves of HP literature, it's just not what I expected it to be - a good accounting of the HP fandom as a whole.

How many others here have read this one? I'd love to hear other opinions of the book!

Sheryll


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From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Dec 23 16:27:41 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:27:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <gin4it+jiso@eGroups.com> <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005801c9651b$6173c830$245b5890$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheryll Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:13 AM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry A History


How many others here have read this one? I'd love to hear other opinions of
the book!

Sheryll


      __________________________________________________________________
Honestly, I can't contemplate being bothered to read this, I have so many
good books to read on my shelf.

The last thing a research book should be is a book about the author, I
thought JKR had a hand in this? I guess not really?

Doesn't sound remotely interesting from the reviews I read.

Shame, the title could have been used in a good book.

md




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 19:21:19 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:21:19 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <girdnf+audo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at ...>
wrote:

> How many others here have read this one? I'd love to hear 
> other opinions of the book!


zanooda:

This is not something I would be interested in, so I never intended to
buy this book or read it, but it so happened that I had at least to
start reading. A girl that I know in Russia (a translator) decided to
try to translate it, and she asked me to look through her translation
of the beginning of the book. She sent me the English text of the
introduction by JKR and of the first chapter. JKR's part was in her
usual style of writing, but the first chapter was really difficult for
me to read (or translate, for that matter :-)). 

Of course, not being a native English-speaker, I may not be a reliable
source :-). I suppose it's much easier for the native speakers.
Besides, it was only one chapter so far, and it's not fair for me to
judge the entire book by one chapter. I hope it gets better :-).
However, I really hope she drops the whole project (the translator
girl, not Melissa :-)). I'm not interested in the subject and I'm only
doing it as a favor. I'm still angry at the Leaky people for not
correcting JKR when she told them in the PotterCast that Slytherins
came back to fight in the Battle of Hogwarts. Booo :-)!




From childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 20:05:49 2008
From: childofgod19832003 at yahoo.com (*Carol Lynn*)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:05:49 -0000
Subject: Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <girgat+qd7f@eGroups.com>

I just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas! 




From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 21:06:45 2008
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:06:45 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <girjt5+vva0@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote of Melissa:
>>> She joined Main in October of last year but never posted, so I 
would gather she joined only to find the necessary information for 
her book. <<<

But, if you look back at the early Humongous Bigfile posts, e.g. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36030

from February 2002 it contains the lines

>>>The Leaky Cauldron www.the-leaky-cauldron.org A news site for 
everything HP, contributed to by various HPFGUers including Melissa 
A. and Heidi Tandy <<<

It's posted from the elves account so it's anonymous. But whichever 
elf wrote that thought of Melissa as an HPfGU member? I wonder if 
Melissa used a pseudonym?

Cheers,

Dumbledad (who may be getting the book for Christmas)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 00:26:44 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:26:44 -0000
Subject: Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <girgat+qd7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <girvk4+9nd9@eGroups.com>

Carol Lynn wrote:
>
> I just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas!
>
Carol responds:

Technically, it's still Advent, but close enough since tomorrow is
Christmas Eve! Merry Christmas to you, too, and to everyone on the
list who celebrates it. And please, everyone, whichever holiday(s) you
celebrate, drive carefully!

Carol, hoping that no one on the list gets stranded at an airport or,
worse, has to deal with icy roads or power outages




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Dec 24 06:05:40 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:05:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <girgat+qd7f@eGroups.com>
References: <girgat+qd7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <540BF38AF4DE4798929B80AFD4CEE8BA@musiclee>

[Carol]:
| I just

[Lee]:
And the very same to you, my friend!  Peace, blessing, joy and love...all
the good things life has to offer.  These I wish for you and everyone on
list!

Happy Christmas & Hanukkah!

Lee :-)
(Who truly loves when the two Holidays sync up like this!) :-)

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Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 15:12:38 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:12:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <girjt5+vva0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <439676.47998.qm@web63403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> Sheryll wrote of Melissa:
> >>> She joined Main in October of last year but
> never posted, so I 
> would gather she joined only to find the necessary
> information for 
> her book. <<<
> 
Dumbledad:
> But, if you look back at the early Humongous Bigfile posts,
> e.g. 
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36030
> 
> from February 2002 it contains the lines
> 
> >>>The Leaky Cauldron www.the-leaky-cauldron.org A
> news site for 
> everything HP, contributed to by various HPFGUers including
> Melissa 
> A. and Heidi Tandy <<<
> 
> It's posted from the elves account so it's
> anonymous. But whichever 
> elf wrote that thought of Melissa as an HPfGU member? I
> wonder if 
> Melissa used a pseudonym?
> 
Sheryll again:

Hmm... interesting. I don't recall Melissa being a member prior to her recent signing up. In her book she mentions, iirc, that it was a list member who told her about the shipping wars that took place on Main back 'in the day'. To me that indicates her being a non-member, at least up to and including that time period. I can't recall offhand when exactly when the shipping wars took place, since I don't think I took part in the battles. <vbg>

I suppose it is possible she used a pseudonym, but what she wrote in the book indicates otherwise. 

> 
> Dumbledad (who may be getting the book for Christmas)
> 
>

Sheryll again:

Please let us know what you think if you do get the book for Christmas!

Sheryll


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 15:34:31 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:34:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Merry Christmas!
In-Reply-To: <girgat+qd7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <541492.5132.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Carol Lynn:

> I just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas! 
> 

Sheryll:

Indeed, the very best wishes to everyone at HPFGU, whatever holiday you may be celebrating. May the New Year bring you much joy!

I'd also like to add a gentle reminder to anyone who may be visiting a business that's open on Christmas Day - please be nice to the staff as many of them may have given up spending time with their families to be there to serve you.

Sheryll, one of those working Christmas Day 


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From YasminOaks at aol.com  Wed Dec 24 15:44:06 2008
From: YasminOaks at aol.com (YasminOaks at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:44:06 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Merry Christmas!
Message-ID: <caf.3ceb7c91.3683b2c6@aol.com>

I wanted to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas as well. 
 
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 16:02:36 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:02:36 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <439676.47998.qm@web63403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gitmes+biqm@eGroups.com>


> > Sheryll wrote of Melissa:
> > She joined Main in October of last year but never posted, so I
would gather she joined only to find the necessary information for 
her book.
 
> Dumbledad:
> But, if you look back at the early Humongous Bigfile posts,
> e.g. ...snip...

> Sheryll again:
> Hmm... interesting. I don't recall Melissa being a member prior to
her recent signing up. In her book she mentions, iirc, that it was a
list member who told her about the shipping wars that took place on
Main back 'in the day'. To me that indicates her being a non-member,
at least up to and including that time period. 

Kemper now:
Maybe one of the people she talked to was Steve Vander Ark.  He was a
member from back in the day.  His first post is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/588

Maybe they got to chitchatting some time ago about the shipping wars.
 Of course, that was probably back 'in the day too'.

Hmm... how fandom changes us...

Kemper





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 16:34:15 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <gitmes+biqm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <365448.56391.qm@web63408.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

<snip previous discussion>
> 
> Kemper now:
> Maybe one of the people she talked to was Steve Vander Ark.
>  He was a
> member from back in the day.  His first post is here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/588
> 
> Maybe they got to chitchatting some time ago about the
> shipping wars.
>  Of course, that was probably back 'in the day
> too'.
> 
> Hmm... how fandom changes us...
> 
Sheryll again:

Fandom has caused some changes, hasn't it?

It is mentioned in the book who Melissa talked to here at HPFGU, though I won't bring up any names as the person is no longer a member here to the best of my knowledge. 

Wow, that was a little trip down memory lane. I played about in the old posts for a bit. 

*remembers the olden days and wipes away a tear* <g>

Sheryll


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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 25 05:10:36 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:10:36 -0000
Subject: Happy Holidays from your HPFGU List Elves
Message-ID: <giv4kc+rua0@eGroups.com>

*Rylly Elf wanders into the room, Santa hat askew and butterbeer in 
hand*

Umm... excuse me good misses and sirs. We is having a party and was 
wondering if you would care to join us in a glass of butterbeer. We is 
celebrating the holidays and understand that some of you have holidays 
to celebrate, too. 

List Elves appreciate all our list members, without you we would be 
List Elves looking for work. In appreciation for all you do to make the 
HPFGU family such a fun place, we'd like to offer a toast to all of you 
and your families at this celebratory (see, I is knowing big words!) 
time of year.

*passes around plates of goodies and opens the bar to get butterbeer 
for all*

The List Elves wish all our members the best of the holiday season and 
many blessings for the coming New Year!





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Dec 28 18:41:47 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:41:47 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 12/28/2008, 1:00 pm 
Message-ID: <1230489707.9.70829.m48@yahoogroups.com>

Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group
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Weekly Chat
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1:00 pm - 2:00 pm
(This event repeats every week.)
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Notes:
Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour.

To get to the HPfGU room follow this link:
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Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want
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Enter the password: hpfguchat

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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Dec 29 00:13:07 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:13:07 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <102534.43208.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gj94mj+gf5u@eGroups.com>

Sheryll Townsend wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38317>:

<< she consistently refers to us as Harry Potter for Grownups, which
is another group completely, instead of HPforGrownups. >>

Is it another group completely? I thought we started as the Y!Club
"Harry Potter for Grownups" but Apparated to e-groups as
'HPforGrownups' when Y!Clubs's 'technical difficulties' became too
annoying. Later, Yahoo bought e-groups and merged it with Y!Clubs,
forming Y!Groups.




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 02:10:28 2008
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:10:28 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <gj94mj+gf5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjbvuk+er7h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> Sheryll Townsend wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/38317>:
> 
> << she consistently refers to us as Harry Potter for Grownups, which
> is another group completely, instead of HPforGrownups. >>
> 
> Is it another group completely? I thought we started as the Y!Club
> "Harry Potter for Grownups" but Apparated to e-groups as
> 'HPforGrownups' when Y!Clubs's 'technical difficulties' became too
> annoying. Later, Yahoo bought e-groups and merged it with Y!Clubs,
> forming Y!Groups.
>

I don't know the story of its origination, but HarryPotterforGrownups 
at Yahoo is definitely an entirely different Yahoo Group than 
HPforGrownups!  I know because I spent a few weeks there wondering 
what the heck had happened to the premier HP group before I realized 
I'd been suckered into joining the wrong group.

Lizzie




From Schlobin at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 07:51:29 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:51:29 -0000
Subject: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <girdnf+audo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gjcju1+8be4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings@>
> wrote:
> 
> > How many others here have read this one? I'd love to hear 
> > other opinions of the book!
> 
> 
I just finished reading it. 

There were some mildly interesting parts - particularly about her last 
interview with JKR and some of the things that JKR said about the books.

I wasn't too interested in countless retellings of how many emails, 
cell phone calls, etc. and how exhausted Melissa was, etc. etc. etc.

There were so many holes in her story -- not a history of Harry or 
Hogwarts, would have been better titled one extraordinary fan's 
extraordinary experiences, or something like that..or how Harry Potter 
changed my life....

Susan




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 22:27:43 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:27:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry A History
In-Reply-To: <gjbvuk+er7h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <810692.18451.qm@web63407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

> >
> > Sheryll Townsend wrote in
> >
> > << she consistently refers to us as Harry Potter
> for Grownups, which
> > is another group completely, instead of HPforGrownups.
> >>

Catlady:
> > 
> > Is it another group completely? I thought we started
> as the Y!Club
> > "Harry Potter for Grownups" but Apparated to
> e-groups as
> > 'HPforGrownups' when Y!Clubs's
> 'technical difficulties' became too
> > annoying. Later, Yahoo bought e-groups and merged it
> with Y!Clubs,
> > forming Y!Groups.
> >
> 
Lizzie:
> I don't know the story of its origination, but
> HarryPotterforGrownups 
> at Yahoo is definitely an entirely different Yahoo Group
> than 
> HPforGrownups!  I know because I spent a few weeks there
> wondering 
> what the heck had happened to the premier HP group before I
> realized 
> I'd been suckered into joining the wrong group.
> 
Sheryll:

Thanks for jumping in, Lizzie. You are correct that HarryPotterforGrownups is a completely different place. I used to have it bookmarked for occasional perusal but I don't any longer. I'm not sure when it came into existence, but it was after HPFGU.

Going back to Catlady's response, I remember well the transition from Y!Clubs to E-Groups to our current Y!Groups. Hard to believe that next year HPFGU will be 10 years old! My, but the time flies. I wonder how many of the Y!Clubs members are still around, lurking in the background?

Sheryll


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