English grammar and such: On the Nature of Bookshelfs
Steve
bboyminn at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 4 18:01:39 UTC 2008
--- "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol:
> > ... For example, in math(s), two negatives make a
> > positive, so, logically, a double negative is a positive:
> > "I don't want none" means "I want some." ...
>
> Geoff:
> I recall teaching that "I don't want none" is bad grammar and
> ..., but there are occasions - ... - that double negatives are
> used in English to produce certain nuances of meaning.
>
> Consider as an example "I am happy with the outcome" with "I
> am not unhappy with the outcome". there is a subtle difference
> between them. ... Thinking about this the other day, I
> appreciated that this construction, which is a permissible
> double negative, is used more often than I realised.
>
> Geoff
> Who is not dissatisfied with the interesting way this thread
> has moved.
>
bboyminn:
I'm reminded of a regional vaguely double negative that I
suspect is attributable to the sedate nature of local
Scandinavians. It is the method of paying a Cook a compliment
by taking a bite and saying 'Mmmmm....not bad'.
Now is the context that Geoff suggests, the underlying meaning
is neutral; implying "it's OK, but nothing special". But in
the regional context where I live, it is the equivalent of
saying 'this food is very good'. But as I said, a sedate and
civil Scandinavian would never make such a bold statement as
'this is good', so rather he says, 'this is not bad'.
Really every Cook I know takes 'not bad' as meaning 'very good'.
For whatever little logic that contains.
Steve/bluewizard
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