Historical "safe rooms" Was: Science question about underground survival.

[potioncat]

> Carol:
> No, they're not sure, but who else's could it be? I don't think 
there
> were any other mysterious disappearances in the Lovell family (or
> whoever inherited Minster Lovell after Francis was attainted. 

Potioncat:
But there's a lot of time between the 1400s and 1708. This is one for 
historical CSI.
> 
> Carol:
> Just out of curiosity, which unsavory characters wore their roses
> pink? If you're thinking of the Tudors, they wore their roses
> "damask'd white and red," to borrow Shakespeare's description of an
> actual rose, although Elizabeth of York is depicted holding a white 
rose.

Potioncat:
No, I mean, I used to rally behind the red rose, and now I'm taken by 
the Yorkist white, so that makes my rose pink. Because I'm not fully 
decided.

The unsavory lot I was talking about, would include Warwick and  
Clarence and others who switched their support every time the wind 
changed. I don't know that any of them had flowers. 

I just realised, we celebrate Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day at our 
church by wearing either white or red roses. White in memory of and 
red in honor of.

(wondering if it's officially Mother's Day or Mothers' Day?)