From leekaiwen at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 01:14:01 2008
From: leekaiwen at yahoo.com (Lee Kaiwen)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:14:01 +0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: "The Noughties"?
In-Reply-To: <fq9u1d+4jd2@eGroups.com>
References: <fq9u1d+4jd2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <47C8ADD9.70709@yahoo.com>

Geoff:
> Forget the "low flying". Today's the day when maidens can pop the
> question to their possible beaux being the day it is.

And, as I understand it, the fellow isn't allowed to decline, or he has 
to give the lady a gift. Sounds like quite a bonanza for the women. 
"Hmm, how many guys can I propose to in 24 hours?"

However since Leap Day is actually Feb. 23rd, not the 29th, has this 
tradition always been practiced on the 29th in GB?  I know in Denmark 
it's practiced on the 24th, and a declining beau has to compensate with 
a dozen pair of handwear.

CJ




From leekaiwen at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 01:49:27 2008
From: leekaiwen at yahoo.com (Lee Kaiwen)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:49:27 +0800
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Silly ideas?
In-Reply-To: <fq9v4u+b5nb@eGroups.com>
References: <fq9v4u+b5nb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <47C8B627.7060104@yahoo.com>

Carol:
> Even when I was a child, parents routinely spanked their
> children

I'm pretty sure most American parents still spank; I don't know about 
their European counterparts.

Just to show we don't know ourselves as well as we think we do, I'd 
always been one of those spare-the-rod-spoil-the-child types, who 
thought parents who refused to spank were just some of those liberal (in 
the American sense) wackos (in anybody's sense) whose kids were growing 
up spoiled and wild.

Then I became a father.

Now I just can't imagine striking my daughter; the very thought repulses 
me. And, in fact, I've never needed to. Not that she hasn't done her 
share of misbehaving (she's in the middle of her terrible twos), but 
simply because through the simple exercise of even my meager imagination 
I've discovered a whole toolboxful of effective, non-corporal, 
disciplines. I'm starting to believe that 98% of all spanking is done 
primarily to assuage the anger of the parent, not correct the behavior 
of the child, and that there's just something fundamentally cocked in 
the whole idea of using fear and intimidation to train a child ("Don't 
(*bop*) hit (*whack*) Daddy! Hitting (*slap*) people (*whap*) is 
(*smack*) wrong (*bam*)! Now I hope you've learned your lesson.").

CJ, who's now off to read "Choco Needs a Mother" with little Em




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Mar  1 07:35:44 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:35:44 -0000
Subject: "The Noughties"?
In-Reply-To: <47C8ADD9.70709@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fqb10g+gbmr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Lee Kaiwen <leekaiwen at ...> wrote:
>
> Geoff:
> > Forget the "low flying". Today's the day when maidens can pop the
> > question to their possible beaux being the day it is.
> 
> And, as I understand it, the fellow isn't allowed to decline, or he has 
> to give the lady a gift. Sounds like quite a bonanza for the women. 
> "Hmm, how many guys can I propose to in 24 hours?"

Geoff:
I think that the proposal is expected to go to someone close to the
lady. For example, Hermione might propose to Ron but I think that
proposing to Snape or Fred or Draco would not be taken as a serious 
offer!
:-)

CJ:
> However since Leap Day is actually Feb. 23rd, not the 29th, has this 
> tradition always been practiced on the 29th in GB?  I know in Denmark 
> it's practiced on the 24th, and a declining beau has to compensate with 
> a dozen pair of handwear.

Geoff:
In the UK, the 24th was the mediaeval date. The 29th has been "the day" 
for a long time - probably because it is so obviously the extra day. In 
the European Union, however, the 29th only became the official Leap Day 
in 2000.




From miketedting at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  1 08:57:20 2008
From: miketedting at yahoo.com (Mike Ting)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:57:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Muggle politics
Message-ID: <734016.5499.qm@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello HP fans!

While the Minister of Magic, the Hogwarts School
Headmaster, and other characters rule in the Harry
Potter world, there is similar hype in muggle
politics. Check out these short write-ups: 

1. Golden and Silver Screen Politics at
<http://www.studentpa.info/spip.php?article387>.

2. Desaparecidos at
<http://www.studentpa.info/spip.php?article364>.

Thank you very much.

Regards,
Mike



From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 06:45:15 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 06:45:15 -0000
Subject: Conventions??
In-Reply-To: <fq5jad+ant6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqdidr+kvq1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "lilollu" <lilollu at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for your suggestions guys!  I'm happy to see that this 
group is very active. Mostly I was thinking that I don't know anyone 
who might be there and my friends who like HP would probably not 
dish out the cash and I would feel bad asking them so I was thinking 
along the lines of what would make more sense when one is alone and 
pretty clueless. I have recently come to discover more about wizard 
rock and I'm a fan of Leaky and Mugglenet's podcasts. Out of 
curiosity, are there a lot of people here going to one or both of 
these? Maybe some other con? 

Tonks:

I am going to both of the U.S. conventions. If you are a young 
person you will fit right in without knowing anyone. There is always 
a Commons Room where you can meet others your age. Everyone is very 
friendly, even to an old witch like me. ;-)

The folks from Leaky and Mugglenet are always there too. They have a 
pod cast while they are there and people are always lined up for 
that event. Being an old foggie, I don't go to it, but I have been 
interviewed by some of the reporters. And there is always a Wizard 
Rock concert too. Again, too loud for me, but I do like Draco and 
the Malfoys music. It is very funny!! I just can't listen to it in 
person, because it is much too loud.

Even if you go by yourself, you will enjoy it. You will meet new 
people. If you are a bit shy, just relax and talk to someone that 
looks more shy that you. 

Tonks_op




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Date: 2 Mar 2008 16:43:54 -0000
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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar  2 19:24:07 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:24:07 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
Message-ID: <fqeusn+bo9m@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35624>:

<< I see that Julie Walters has referred in a recent interview to the
years 2000-2009 as "the Noughties," an expression I've never
encountered before. >>

I remain fond of the theory that the decade 1900-1909 was the Oughts
and the decade 2000-2009 is the Oh-Ohs. While the first years of this
decade was pronounced Two Thousand, the rest are like, this year is
two-oh-oh-eight. (The Oughts when people oughted to have behaved like
Victorians; the Oh-Ohs when we have a lot to say Oh-Oh about.)

I always thought that Naughty came from Naught and that Naught is the
same as Nought. I'm far from being a Brit, but I pronounce them the
same, with the awww sound, also found in cough and coffin. This is
different from how I pronounce knot and not, with the aah sound. This
is quite different from the ah sound, as in gnat.

In the famous 'Mary, marry, merry', I pronounce Mary and Merry the
same, with an eh sound, and I pronounce Marry differently, I think
with the aah sound, but it's hard to compare vowels with R to vowels
without R. Murray and Myrrh have yet a different sound.

American Heritage Dictionary
<http://www.bartleby.com/61/27/N0032700.html> says 'Naughty' comes
from << Middle English noughti, wicked, from nought, nothing, evil,
from Old English nwiht, nothing. See naught. >>

'Naught' <http://www.bartleby.com/61/26/N0032600.html> 
<< VARIANT FORMS: also nought
NOUN: 1. Nonexistence; nothingness. 2. The figure 0; a cipher; a zero. 
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English nwiht : n, no; see ne in
Appendix I + wiht, thing; see wekti- in Appendix I.>>

The entry for 'Naughty' has a long comment: << The word naughty at one
time was an all-purpose word similar to bad. During the 16th century
one could use naughty to mean "unhealthy, unpleasant, bad (with
respect to weather), vicious (of an animal), inferior, or bad in
quality" (one could say "very naughtie figes" or "naughty corrupt
water"). All of these senses have disappeared, however, and naughty is
now used mainly in contexts involving mischief or indecency. This
recalls its early days in Middle English (with the form noughti), when
the word was restricted to the senses "evil, hostile, ineffectual, and
needy." Middle English noughti, first recorded in the last quarter of
the 14th century, was derived from nought, which primarily meant
"nothing" but was also used as a noun meaning "evil" and as an
adjective meaning such things as "immoral, weak, useless." Thus
naughty, in a sense, has risen from nothing, but its fortunes used to
be better than they are at present. >>

On-Line Etymology Dictionary
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=naughty> seems to agree:
<< naughty - 1377, naugti "needy, having nothing," from O.E. nawiht
(see naught). Sense of "wicked, evil, morally wrong" is attested from
1529. The more tame main modern sense of "disobedient" (especially of
children) is attested from 1633. A woman of bad character c.1530-1750
might be called a naughty pack. >>

I'm shocked. Up til now, I had thought (rhymes with naught *tee-hee*)
that 'naughty figs' were worth naught and a naughty child obeyed
naught (no rule), respected naught (no authority), feared naught (no
punishment). I hadn't realised that 'naught' ever meant 'evil'.
Imagine the conversation "What are you doing? Nothing." with that
definition.

P. S. If I said 'nowt', I'd use the ow sound, like in 'now'.




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar  2 20:01:03 2008
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:01:03 -0000
Subject: Spoof London Underground announcements
Message-ID: <fqf11v+ikgq@eGroups.com>

I was flipping through one of my husband's UK railway magazines when I 
spotted an article about Emma Clarke, the woman who does the voiceover 
announcements for the London Underground...or used to.  She will no 
longer be employed by the LU since a newspaper (don't know which) 
article claimed that Clarke would never use the LU herself since she 
thinks it's a disgrace; Clarke claims she's been wildly misquoted.

Another reason the LU will no longer be hiring Clarke is because of a 
number of spoof LU announcements she made on her website:

http://www.emmaclarke.com/fun/mind-the-gap/spoof-london-underground-
announcements

The man in the pinstripe suit one is my favourite.

What a shame, IMO that the LU cannot see the light-hearted humour 
behind these.  I can fully understand the LU not wishing to broadcast 
such spoof announcements for real (but, man, wouldn't that lighten the 
rush hour mood!), but these are on Clarke's own website.  I think the 
LU should lighten up.

Mary Ann, who thinks the world could do with more humour




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar  2 20:12:31 2008
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:12:31 -0000
Subject: Spoof London Underground announcements
In-Reply-To: <fqf11v+ikgq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqf1nf+pmv7@eGroups.com>

Sorry, I forgot to say that one or two of the announcements have 
stronger language.  My bad.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Mar  2 21:43:30 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:43:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Spoof London Underground announcements
In-Reply-To: <fqf11v+ikgq@eGroups.com>
References: <fqf11v+ikgq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601c87cae$74ca5530$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

I couldn't get the link to work, why I do not know as what I ended up wit
looks like what Mary Ann posted, but, here's my version:

http://www.emmaclarke.com/fun/mind-the-gap/spoof-london-underground-announce
ments

If it still gives trouble, just go to the emmaclarke.com site, click on "Fun
Stuff" and the spoofs are in there.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar  2 22:44:15 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:44:15 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqeusn+bo9m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqfajv+72mf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Carol wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35624>:
> 
> << I see that Julie Walters has referred in a recent interview to the
> years 2000-2009 as "the Noughties," an expression I've never
> encountered before. >>

Catlady: 
> I remain fond of the theory that the decade 1900-1909 was the Oughts
> and the decade 2000-2009 is the Oh-Ohs. While the first years of this
> decade was pronounced Two Thousand, the rest are like, this year is
> two-oh-oh-eight. (The Oughts when people oughted to have behaved like
> Victorians; the Oh-Ohs when we have a lot to say Oh-Oh about.)

Geoff:
Well, in my experience in the UK, the current year is either pronounced 
"two thousand and eight" or "twenty-oh-eight". I use the latter form. I 
very very rarely hear "two-oh-oh-eight."

Catlady: 
> I always thought that Naughty came from Naught and that Naught is the
> same as Nought. I'm far from being a Brit, but I pronounce them the
> same, with the awww sound, also found in cough and coffin. This is
> different from how I pronounce knot and not, with the aah sound. This
> is quite different from the ah sound, as in gnat.

Geoff:
You must have an odd accent. I can' t see how you get anything approaching 
an 'a' sound for any words you mention. I pronounce naught and nought as 
'nort' a bit like 'north' without the 'h'. And 'knot' and 'not' are simple short 'o' 
sounds. GAnt would be different because it's a short 'a'.

Catlady: 
> In the famous 'Mary, marry, merry', I pronounce Mary and Merry the
> same, with an eh sound, and I pronounce Marry differently, I think
> with the aah sound, but it's hard to compare vowels with R to vowels
> without R. Murray and Myrrh have yet a different sound.

Geoff:
I pronounce 'Mary' as 'Mairy' - the middle rhyming with 'air' (the stuff 
wot you breaves' as a Cockney might put it) so all your three have a 
different sound for me.

Catlady:
P. S. If I said 'nowt', I'd use the ow sound, like in 'now'.

Geoff:
Yep. Good Yorkshire accent; same goes for 'owt'.




From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Mar  3 00:59:08 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:59:08 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqfajv+72mf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqfigs+tufl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> Geoff:
> Well, in my experience in the UK, the current year is either 
> pronounced "two thousand and eight" or "twenty-oh-eight". I use the 
> latter form. I very very rarely hear "two-oh-oh-eight."

I've occasionally heard twenty-oh-eight but I don't like the sound of
it. I admit to saying two thousand and eight myself, but I still like
the idea of the decade of the Oh-ohs.

> Geoff:
> You must have an odd accent. I can' t see how you get anything 
> approaching an 'a' sound for any words you mention. I pronounce 
> naught and nought as 'nort' a bit like 'north' without the 'h'. 
> And 'knot' and 'not' are simple short 'o' sounds. Gnat would be
> different because it's a short 'a'.

Knot and not and cot and hot and what and Ma and Marie and Maria
(twice) probably ARE simple short-o sounds, but the only way to write
that without special characters is aah; oh is long-O; ooh is long-U.

An 'awww' sound is not an 'a' sound.  A corvid's caw, naught, ought,
cough, caught, thought, sauce, paw, thaw... You and I may be referring
to the same sound, as I've gotten to used to  hearing radio
interviewees with BBC accents pronouncing 'law' as if it were 'lore',
and one of Rowling's made-up titles, 'Saucy Tricks for Tricky Sorts',
seems to intend for 'sauce' and 'sort' to sound alike. 

> Geoff:
> I pronounce 'Mary' as 'Mairy' - the middle rhyming with 'air' (the  
> stuff wot you breaves' as a Cockney might put it) so all your three 
> have a different sound for me.

Mary, merry, mairy, airy, hairy, berry, very, vary ... all the same
vowel to me. But marry has the same vowel as Harry and Barry and Larry.






From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Mar  3 08:00:35 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:00:35 -0000
Subject: Muggle politics
In-Reply-To: <734016.5499.qm@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fqgb73+cl39@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mike Ting <miketedting at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hello HP fans!
> 
> While the Minister of Magic, the Hogwarts School
> Headmaster, and other characters rule in the Harry
> Potter world, there is similar hype in muggle
> politics. Check out these short write-ups: 
> 
> 1. Golden and Silver Screen Politics at
> <http://www.studentpa.info/spip.php?article387>.
> 


Mike this is extraordinary work..did you write it?

Susan




From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Mon Mar  3 19:46:03 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:46:03 -0000
Subject: Why we love children
Message-ID: <fqhkhr+nsm6@eGroups.com>

Thought this would give you all a laugh

Jayne


Why We Love Children


1. A nursery school pupil told his teacher he'd found a cat, but it
was dead.
'How do you know that the cat was dead?' she asked her pupil.
'Because I pissed in its ear and it didn't move,' answered the child
innocently.
'You did WHAT?' the teacher exclaimed in surprise.
'You know,' explained the boy, 'I leaned over and went 'Pssst' and it
didn't move'

2. A small boy is sent to bed by his father. 

Five minutes later.....'Da-ad....'
'What?'
'I'm thirsty. Can you bring a drink of water?'
'No, You had your chance. Lights out.'
Five minutes later: 'Da-aaaad.....'
'WHAT?'
'I'm THIRSTY. Can I have a drink of water??'
' I told you NO! If you ask again, I'll have to smack you!!'
Five minutes later......'Daaaa-aaaad.....'
'WHAT!'
'When you come in to smack me, can you bring a drink of water?'

3. An exasperated mother, whose son was always getting into mischief,
finally asked him 'How do you expect to get into Heaven?'
The boy thought it over and said, 'Well, I'll run in and out and in
and out and keep slamming the door until St. Peter says, 'For Heaven's
sake, Dylan, come in or stay out!''

4. One summer evening during a violent thunderstorm a mother was
tucking her son into bed. She was about to turn off the light when he
asked with a tremor in his voice, 'Mummy, will you sleep with me
tonight?'
The mother smiled and gave him a reassuring hug.
'I can't dear,' she said. 'I have to sleep in Daddy's room.'
A long silence was broken at last by his shaky little voice:
'The big sissy.'

5. It was that time, during the Sunday morning service, for the
children's sermon.
All the children were invited to come forward.
One little girl was wearing a particularly pretty dress and, as she 
sat
down, the minister leaned over and said, 'That is a very pretty dress.
Is it your Easter Dress?'
The little girl replied, directly into the minister's clip-on
microphone, 'Yes, and my Mum says it's a bitch to iron.'

6. When I was six months pregnant with my third child, my three year
old came into the room when I was just getting ready to get into the
shower.
She said, 'Mummy, you are getting fat!'
I replied, 'Yes, honey, remember Mummy has a baby growing in her
tummy.'
'I know,' she replied, but what's growing in your bum?'

7. A little boy was doing his math homework.

He said to himself, 'Two plus five, that son of a bitch is seven. 

Three plus six, that son of a bitch is nine....'
His mother heard what he was saying and gasped, 'What are you doing?'
The little boy answered, 'I'm doing my maths homework, Mum.'
'And this is how your teacher taught you to do it?' the mother asked
'Yes,' he answered.
Infuriated, the mother asked the teacher the next day, 'What are you
teaching my son in maths?'
The teacher replied, 'Right now, we are learning addition.'
The mother asked, 'And are you teaching them to say two plus two, that
son of a bitch is four?'
After the teacher stopped laughing, she answered, 'What I taught them
was, two plus two, THE SUM OF WHICH, is four.'

8. One day the first year teacher was reading the story of Chicken
Little to her class. She came to the part of the story where Chicken
Little tried to warn the farmer. She read, '.... and so Chicken Little
went up to the farmer and said, 'The sky is falling, the sky is
falling!'
The teacher paused then asked the class, 'And what do you think that
farmer said?'
One little girl raised her hand and said, 'I think he said:
'Holy Shit! A talking chicken!''
The teacher was unable to teach for the next 10 minutes.

9. A certain little girl, when asked her name, would reply, I'm Mr.
Sugarbrown's daughter.'
Her mother told her this was wrong, she must say, 'I'm Jane
Sugarbrown.'
The Vicar spoke to her in Sunday School, and said, 'Aren't you Mr.
Sugarbrown's daughter?'
She replied, 'I thought I was, but mother says I'm not.'

10. A little girl asked her mother, 'Can I go outside and play 

with the boys?'
Her mother replied, 'No, you can't play with the boys, they're 

too rough.'
The little girl thought about it for a few moments and asked,

'If I can find a smooth one, can I play with him?'

11. A little girl goes to the barber shop with her father.
She stands next to the barber chair, while her dad gets his hair cut,
eating a snack cake. The barber says to her, 

'Sweetheart, you're gonna get hair on your muffin.'
She says, 'Yes, I know, and I'm gonna get boobs too.'

Now keep that smile on your face and pass it on to someone else!!

 






From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar  3 21:12:50 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:12:50 -0000
Subject: Eclectic replies.
In-Reply-To: <fqfigs+tufl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqhpki+7298@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
> <gbannister10@> wrote:
> >
> > Geoff:
> > Well, in my experience in the UK, the current year is either 
> > pronounced "two thousand and eight" or "twenty-oh-eight". I use the 
> > latter form. I very very rarely hear "two-oh-oh-eight."

Catlady: 
> I've occasionally heard twenty-oh-eight but I don't like the sound of
> it. I admit to saying two thousand and eight myself, but I still like
> the idea of the decade of the Oh-ohs.

Geoff:
Which rather goes against the kind of unofficial pattern. Take for 
example: eighteen-oh-seven, eighteen-fifty, eighteen-seventy-six 
or nineteen-oh-two, nineteen-sixty-four and then extrapolate these 
to get twenty-oh-six, twenty-twelve and twenty-forty-five.

The twenty-something pattern is well established - at least here in 
the UK with the twenty-twelve Olympics as an example. We just don't 
use the double-oh pattern.

Geoff (earlier):
> > You must have an odd accent. I can' t see how you get anything 
> > approaching an 'a' sound for any words you mention. I pronounce 
> > naught and nought as 'nort' a bit like 'north' without the 'h'. 
> > And 'knot' and 'not' are simple short 'o' sounds. Gnat would be
> > different because it's a short 'a'.

Catlady:
> Knot and not and cot and hot and what and Ma and Marie and Maria
> (twice) probably ARE simple short-o sounds, but the only way to write
> that without special characters is aah; oh is long-O; ooh is long-U.

> An 'awww' sound is not an 'a' sound.  A corvid's caw, naught, ought,
> cough, caught, thought, sauce, paw, thaw... You and I may be referring
> to the same sound, as I've gotten to used to  hearing radio
> interviewees with BBC accents pronouncing 'law' as if it were 'lore',
> and one of Rowling's made-up titles, 'Saucy Tricks for Tricky Sorts',
> seems to intend for 'sauce' and 'sort' to sound alike. 

Geoff: 
Sorry, but to me, 'aah' is a long 'a'. I agree that 'awww' is not an 'a' 
sound. It's the sound of a doting admirer begin soppy over a new 
baby or a small animal....

Geoff (again earlier):
> > I pronounce 'Mary' as 'Mairy' - the middle rhyming with 'air' (the  
> > stuff wot you breaves' as a Cockney might put it) so all your three 
> > have a different sound for me.

Catlady: 
> Mary, merry, mairy, airy, hairy, berry, very, vary ... all the same
> vowel to me. But marry has the same vowel as Harry and Barry and Larry.

Geoff:
...and also carry and tarry and parry. Your point being?

PS: I wish you'd attribute your comments with your name. When I'm 
halfway down a screen, I sometimes forget to whom I'm replying - 
nothing personal intended there - and have to scoot back to the 
top to remind myself. I've inserted them in this post for the benefit 
of anyone suitably barmy enough to read this post.
:-)








From miketedting at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 13:16:17 2008
From: miketedting at yahoo.com (Mike Ting)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 05:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Muggle politics
In-Reply-To: <fqgb73+cl39@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <569393.14567.qm@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> > Mike:
> > 1. Golden and Silver Screen Politics at
> > <http://www.studentpa.info/spip.php?article387>.

> Susan:
> Mike this is extraordinary work..did you write it?

Yes, I wrote it. Thank you very much Susan. I'm glad
you appreciate my article. 

--Mike



From tcorea13 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar  4 02:35:59 2008
From: tcorea13 at sbcglobal.net (Tina)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:35:59 -0000
Subject: Conventions??
In-Reply-To: <fq5jad+ant6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqicif+fftm@eGroups.com>

> -Lilo
> Thanks for your suggestions guys! I'm happy to see that this
> group is very active. Mostly I was thinking that I don't know
> anyone who might be there and my friends who like HP would
> probably not dish out the cash and I would feel bad asking
> them so I was thinking along the lines of what would make
> more sense when one is alone and pretty clueless. I have
> recently come to discover more about wizard rock and I'm a
> fan of Leaky and Mugglenet's podcasts. Out of curiosity, are
> there a lot of people here going to one or both of these?
> Maybe some other con?



Hi Lilo!
I am pretty much in the same boat as you--none of my "real
world" friends like Potter enough to spend the money on a
conference. I attended Prophecy last year alone, and had a
great time, nonetheless! I will going to Terminus this year--
as of right now Portus is a bit out of my price range, but
that may change--I hope to get to know you a bit beforehand,
and maybe will see you there! Who else from this list will
be attending Terminus? It would be nice to have someone to
meet up with and say hello to!

~divaTina



From coriolan at worldnet.att.net  Tue Mar  4 04:04:09 2008
From: coriolan at worldnet.att.net (Caius Marcius)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:04:09 -0000
Subject: Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
Message-ID: <fqihnp+5m81@eGroups.com>

>From Tom Maguire's Just One Minute Blog - scroll to the final paragraph

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/02/ok-michelle-who.html

   - CMC




From jnferr at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 12:35:05 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 06:35:05 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <fqihnp+5m81@eGroups.com>
References: <fqihnp+5m81@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803040435w3937cc51h90582c48ab2f84d8@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/3/08, Caius Marcius <coriolan at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> From Tom Maguire's Just One Minute Blog - scroll to the final paragraph
>
> http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/02/ok-michelle-who.html


montims:

I just read that, and have no comment on the story, as I am trying to avoid
all the vitriol being thrown around at the moment in politics, so have
missed all these comments, but I am genuinely confused - what on earth is
wrong with Barack Obama's middle name, and why did all those letter writers
below the blog keep on about it?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 13:12:50 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:12:50 -0000
Subject: Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803040435w3937cc51h90582c48ab2f84d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fqjhsi+hk1p@eGroups.com>


> montims:
> 
> ... but I am genuinely confused - what on earth is
> wrong with Barack Obama's middle name, and why did all those letter
writers
> below the blog keep on about it?

Kemper now:
His middle name is Hussein. 
The implication is that Obama has an Islamic background... which only
matters to haters.  It's used as a fear tactic.

Kemper




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 14:41:13 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:41:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803040435w3937cc51h90582c48ab2f84d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fqihnp+5m81@eGroups.com>
	 <8ee758b40803040435w3937cc51h90582c48ab2f84d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0803040641l38768018t92b88a74c95467d8@mail.gmail.com>

montims:
> I just read that, and have no comment on the story, as I am trying to avoid
> all the vitriol being thrown around at the moment in politics, so have
> missed all these comments, but I am genuinely confused - what on earth is
> wrong with Barack Obama's middle name, and why did all those letter writers
> below the blog keep on about it?

I hate to ask (especially since I know that a sizable portion of this
list aren't Americans and therefore may not care as much), but I'm
curious.  Do people really feel that this election [year] has been
full of vitriol?  I thought the candidates have been running rather
temperate/polite campaigns thus far and the vitriol has generally been
heard from the quarters of folks like Gloria Steinem and other
supporters, not the actual candidates.

As far as the middle name, though, Kemper is right.  It's a total fear
tactic but one that has been kept out of the official campaigns.

~Ali



From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Mar  4 19:25:56 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:25:56 -0500
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
Message-ID: <000601c87e2d$923787c0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

Okay, for those of us who appreciate clean language, I saw an interesting
news thing on a 14-year-old boy named McKay Hatch who started a "No Cussing"
club, developed a web site, and now has members world-wide.  I love what he
says:

"Now there are NCC members all across the United States and other countries.

"Through the No Cussing Challenge I realized that I could use POSITIVE PEER
PRESSURE
on my friends.  If my friends could say no to cussing, how much easier will
it be
for them to say no to drugs, violence, and pornography.

"Our NCC Motto is: LEAVE PEOPLE BETTER THAN YOU FOUND THEM!

"No matter how old you are or what's going on in your life, I hope you will
take the
NO CUSSING CHALLENGE
 and become a member of our club."

The Challenge page reads:

"The No Cussing Challenge

"I won't cuss, swear, use bad language, or tell dirty jokes.  Clean language
is the
sign of intelligence and always demands respect.  I will use my language to
uplift,
encourage and motivate.  I will Leave People Better Than I Found Them!"

I applaud this young man and hope more people will pay attention, especially
the writers of movies and TV shows. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Gonna join the No Cussing Club!) :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 21:55:55 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:55:55 -0000
Subject: Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <fqjhsi+hk1p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqkghb+5hue@eGroups.com>

---  "kempermentor" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > montims:
> > 
> > ... but I am genuinely confused - what on earth is wrong 
> > with Barack Obama's middle name, and why did all those 
> > letter writers below the blog keep on about it?
> 
> Kemper now:
> His middle name is Hussein. 
> The implication is that Obama has an Islamic background... 
> which only matters to haters.  It's used as a fear tactic.
> 
> Kemper
>

bboyminn:

Excuse me, but since we are in an ideological and well as a
literal war against Islamic extremest, isn't any association
Obama may have had with Islam very much in our favor? Isn't
this a good thing? 

I remember when they were having hearings to decide who was
going to run 'the war on terror'. One of the Congressmen
asked a candidate what the difference was between Shite 
and Suni. Of course, the person didn't know, and I don't
know either, but I'm not apply to be the head of the group
that is going to make war and hopefully peace with these
people. 

Likely Obama's past and his understanding of these people,
their religion, and their culture will be much to our
advantage. 

I think it's time we had a President who knows a little more
than beer, barbecue, and good ol' boys. 

But then, that's just me.

Steve/bboyminn





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 01:16:10 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:16:10 -0000
Subject: Ilkley Moor Murder Case (Was Re: "The Noughties"?)
In-Reply-To: <fq9u9i+6o4b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqks8q+a8s6@eGroups.com>

Geoff:
> Well... no... rather that the House of Tudor was a result of the
Houses of York and Lancaster being linked through Elizabeth of York
marriage connection. Though I personally support the wearing of a red
rose, having been brought up until the age of 9 on the west side of
the Pennines.
>
Carol:
Except that Henry Tudor had no direct link to the Lancastrian line.
His French grandmother, Catherine of Valois, was married to a
Lancastrian king, Henry V, before she got involved with the Welshman
Owen Tudor. (The validity of the marriage has been questioned.) Their
sons, Owen, Edmund, and Jasper, were half-brothers of Henry VI on the
mother's side, so he actually had a better claim to the French throne
than the English. The last legitimate Lancastrian claimant, other than
the half-mad, twice-deposed Henry VI, was his son, Edward of
Lancaster, who died in battle at sixteen.

Carol, no fan of the House of Tudor, especially its founder




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 01:48:05 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:48:05 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqfigs+tufl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqku4l+dl2r@eGroups.com>

Catlady:
> Knot and not and cot and hot and what and Ma and Marie and Maria
(twice) probably ARE simple short-o sounds, but the only way to write
> that without special characters is aah; oh is long-O; ooh is long-U.
> 
Carol:
I would spell that sound as "ah," but I wouldn't include Marie and
Maria in the list. All of those a's, for me, at least, are schwas
(unaccented vowels that sound like a weak short u or "uh").

Catlady:
> An 'awww' sound is not an 'a' sound.  A corvid's caw, naught, ought,
cough, caught, thought, sauce, paw, thaw... 

Carol:
All "ah" to me--no difference that I can hear between "caught" and
"cot" or "not" and "naught" (and no "r" sound in any of them). (I can
*feel* and *see* a difference between the "ah" sounds in "father" and
"hot," but they *sound* the same to me.)

Carol, wondering what a corvid is




From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  5 03:02:00 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:02:00 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqku4l+dl2r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fql2f8+mn3i@eGroups.com>

> Carol, wondering what a corvid is

Magpie:
A member of the crow family, including ravens, crows, jackdaws, jays 
and magpies.:-)

-m





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Mar  5 07:40:33 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:40:33 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fql2f8+mn3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqliph+fnm1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "sistermagpie" <sistermagpie at ...> wrote:
>
> > Carol, wondering what a corvid is
> 
> Magpie:
> A member of the crow family, including ravens, crows, jackdaws, jays 
> and magpies.:-)

Geoff:
Trust you to know that.... <vbg>

It's very unusual to see it written as 'corvid'. UK usage normally 
restricts it to a general reference to the family and uses the Latin 
plural 'corvidae'.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 23:46:57 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:46:57 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fql2f8+mn3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqnbdh+rhkq@eGroups.com>

Carol, wondering what a corvid is
> 
> Magpie:
> A member of the crow family, including ravens, crows, jackdaws, jays
 and magpies.:-)

>
Carol:
Oho! Something our Magpie would certainly know.

Carol, who does at least know what a mustellid is :-)




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 06:04:15 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:04:15 -0000
Subject: Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <fqihnp+5m81@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqo1gv+548q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Caius Marcius" <coriolan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> From Tom Maguire's Just One Minute Blog - scroll to the final 
paragraph
> 
> http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/02/ok-michelle-who.html
> 

Tonks:

lol. I love it!!! 'He Who Must Not Be Named'... love it...

Just Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

Tonks_op




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 06:07:59 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:07:59 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <000601c87e2d$923787c0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fqo1nv+qa1s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm(God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> Okay, for those of us who appreciate clean language, I saw an 
interesting
> news thing on a 14-year-old boy named McKay Hatch who started 
a "No Cussing" club, developed a web site, and now has members world-
wide.  I love what he says:
> 
> "Now there are NCC members all across the United States and other 
countries.
> 
> "Through the No Cussing Challenge I realized that I could use 
POSITIVE PEER PRESSURE on my friends.  If my friends could say no to 
cussing, how much easier will it be for them to say no to drugs, 
violence, and pornography.
> 
> "Our NCC Motto is: LEAVE PEOPLE BETTER THAN YOU FOUND THEM!
Snip

Tonks:
Thanks for sharing that. Maybe there IS hope for the younger 
generation after all!  Of course I can't join his club.. unless I 
give up driving. lol.

Tonks_op




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar  6 07:32:27 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:32:27 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqnbdh+rhkq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqo6mb+utuk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol, wondering what a corvid is
> > 
> > Magpie:
> > A member of the crow family, including ravens, crows, jackdaws, jays
>  and magpies.:-)
> 
> >
> Carol:
> Oho! Something our Magpie would certainly know.
> 
> Carol, who does at least know what a mustellid is :-)

Geoff:
I expect that Draco does, also....
:-))





From nymphadoratonks91 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar  6 15:14:26 2008
From: nymphadoratonks91 at yahoo.co.uk (nymphadoratonks91)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:14:26 -0000
Subject: The DH Film
Message-ID: <fqp1oi+hecn@eGroups.com>

I heard a rumour last night that the last film the DH will be made in
to two films to give it justification. does anyone know if this is true?




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 20:24:23 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:24:23 -0000
Subject: The DH Film
In-Reply-To: <fqp1oi+hecn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqpjtn+321m@eGroups.com>

nymphadoratonks wrote:
>
> I heard a rumour last night that the last film the DH will be made
in to two films to give it justification. does anyone know if this is
true?
>
Carol responds:
The topic has been discussed fairly extensively over at the movie group:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/

Carol, who would rather have a four-hour film with an intermission




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  7 17:20:05 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:20:05 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fqo1nv+qa1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqrtg5+nqt6@eGroups.com>

> > Lee:
> > Okay, for those of us who appreciate clean language, I saw an 
> > interesting
> > news thing on a 14-year-old boy named McKay Hatch who started 
> a "No Cussing" club, developed a web site, and now has members world-
> wide.  I love what he says:
> > ...snip quote...
> > "Our NCC Motto is: LEAVE PEOPLE BETTER THAN YOU FOUND THEM!

 
> Tonks:
> Thanks for sharing that. Maybe there IS hope for the younger 
> generation after all!  Of course I can't join his club.. unless I 
> give up driving. lol.

Kemper now:
Young McKay was on the Early Show.
You can see it here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3916376n

It's a start.  I'd like to see him follow it up with a sister/brother
group: No Accusing Club.

Kemper, who accepts Tonks' apology





From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  8 16:05:10 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:05:10 -0000
Subject: Camaign '08 - Amusing HP Reference
In-Reply-To: <fqo1gv+548q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqudfm+7q4t@eGroups.com>

> Tonks:
> 
> lol. I love it!!! 'He Who Must Not Be Named'... love it...

Mike:
On NPR's "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" last weekend, they asked the 
panelist what or who the candidates are going to have to repudiate 
next. Paula Poundstone said, "In light of all the young people getting 
involved in this years races, the next person all the candidates will 
have to denounce will be .... Voldemort!


> Tonks_op
> 
> Just Vote for Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike:
Ummm, **NO** I'll vote for anyone BUT Hillary!! 




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar  9 03:51:49 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:51:49 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqnbdh+rhkq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fqvmsl+10gl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol, who does at least know what a mustellid is :-)
>
Something else that I think you're likely to know: why do the chapters
of eighteenth century novels have long titles that are a summary of
the chapter? 




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar  9 12:42:38 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:42:38 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqvmsl+10gl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr0lvu+8tem@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)" <catlady at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > Carol, who does at least know what a mustellid is :-)

Catlady:
> Something else that I think you're likely to know: why do the chapters
> of eighteenth century novels have long titles that are a summary of
> the chapter?

Geoff:
(1) Early form of speed reading.

(2) So you could catch up while you were on on the horse bus 
or train to work. The 19th century equivalent of the headlines 
at the beginning of the news....
:-)





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 14:33:08 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belated Happy Birthday, Udderpd!
Message-ID: <675161.54796.qm@web63404.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

*shakes free of the mountain of snow and staggers into
the party room dragging a sodden box of decorations*

Don't worry folks, I can dry out the decorations!

What? A little snow makes me late? C'mon people, I'd
call the 65 cm we've had in the last 2 days more than
a "little" snow! That's just over 2 feet for the
metrically challenged. :D

*rummages through the decoration box for fresh
streamers and balloons, all in bright colours to
counteract all the white around here*

Yesterday's birthday honouree was Udderpd. Birthday
greetings can be sent care of this list or directly
to: udderpd at yahoo.co.uk

Don't worry, I have forgotten the refreshments! There
are trolleys on the other side of the room - lots of
food and drink and lovely big cake. 

I hope your birthday was filled with fun, magic and
the best of company.

Happy Birthday, Udderpd!

Sheryll the Snowed-In Birthday Elf :D

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From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar  9 15:43:31 2008
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From elphabapotter at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  9 06:25:28 2008
From: elphabapotter at hotmail.com (elphabapotter)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:25:28 -0000
Subject: The Portal - JIM DALE IS PRESENTING AT PORTUS!
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The Portal - JIM DALE IS PRESENTING AT PORTUS!
Current mood:  ecstatic
Letter from the Editor

As you may have noticed, we recently sent an old Portal rather than the
new February edition. Please forgive us. We were a little preoccupied
and hope this makes up for it


The Portus staff has had their lips sealed for the last few months (a
very hard thing to do!), but we can no longer keep quiet. It is with the
utmost pleasure and greatest honor that we divulge our most guarded
secret


Jim Dale, the voice of Harry Potter, will be joining us this July at
Portus in Dallas, Texas! We're more excited than a gaggle of Leprechauns
at the Quidditch World Cup!

To celebrate, we are offering a special springtime registration discount
for Jim Dale fans. Register by March 15th and use the special
promotional code WELUVJIM, and you will receive a regular Portus
registration for $180. That's a $40 savings! Imagine all the extras you
can add on to your registration with savings like that. *

To learn more about Portus and  Jim Dale's presentations, click here
<http://community.livejournal.com/portus_2008>  .



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From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 19:01:51 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:01:51 -0000
Subject: Why we love children
In-Reply-To: <fqhkhr+nsm6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr1c6v+om1b@eGroups.com>


> Thought this would give you all a laugh
> 
> Jayne
> 
> 
> Why We Love Children


Mike:

OMG, Jayne these were hilarious! 
Thank you for sharing. :-)




From mcrudele78 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 19:28:05 2008
From: mcrudele78 at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:28:05 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqvmsl+10gl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr1do5+bssj@eGroups.com>

> Catlady:
> Something else that I think you're likely to know: why do the 
> chapters of eighteenth century novels have long titles that are
> a summary of the chapter?

Mike:
An interesting question, Rita. A friend of mine has written a novel 
that she hopes to get published. It is set in the Regency period, 
1820s England. She titles each of her chapters in the style you're 
referring to, with things like "Wherein Mr. Marbury finds his lost 
shoe", though she does it much better than I.

Carol, any literary history you want to share?

Mike, who learned how to add messages on his sig line from reading 
Carol's sig lines




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 21:21:10 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:21:10 -0000
Subject: Eighteenth-century chapter titles (was: Naughty reply)
In-Reply-To: <fqvmsl+10gl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr1kc6+127o@eGroups.com>

Carol, who does at least know what a mustellid is :-)
> >
> Something else that I think you're likely to know: why do the chapters
> of eighteenth century novels have long titles that are a summary of
> the chapter?
>
Carol responds:
Actually, not all of them do. "Moll Flanders," for example, doesn't
even have chapters. neither do the various epistolary novels (novels
written as a series of letter.) Jane Austen's novels, both
late-eighteenth- and early-nineteenth century, have only chapter
numbers. Charles Dickens, a nineteenth-century novelist, used summary
chapter titles, some short "I am Born"), others long (e.g those in
"Oliver Twist" or "the Pickwick Papers," not exactly a  novel, I
realize) possibly because his works were serialized and he wanted to
entice readers (rather like a preview of a TV episode of a trailer for
a film excpet that there's no delay in gratification). Possibly, too,
he was influenced by Fielding, who used the kinds of titles you're
referring to.

In the eighteenth century, the novel (note its name) was a new and
experimental literary form, which was still developing the conventions
familiar to us now (not that authors aren't still experimenting with
style, plot, point of view, and subject matter!), and chapter titles
varied from long summaries to no titles at all. By the mid-nineteenth
century, authors as different as George Eliot (Marianne Evans) and the
American Herman Melville were using short chapter titles similar to
the ones we find in the HP books that provided a hint of what was to
come but didn't give it away.

Carol, noting that this is an off-the-cuff response and not at all
authoritative!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  9 21:27:47 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:27:47 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/9/2008, 1:00 pm
In-Reply-To: <1205084426.12.39413.m50@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr1koj+sdtm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com,
HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal
> 
> Weekly Chat
> Sunday March 9, 2008
> 1:00 pm - 1:00 pm
> (This event repeats every week.)
> Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574
> 
> Notes:
> Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour.

<snip>

Carol responds to an automated annoucement:

I just checked the calendar, which shows two of these announcements,
two hours apart. Do we really need both, Elvses? Or can one be deleted?

Carol, apologizing for bringing up this point again, but it does seem
wasteful and unnecessary (one more message to delete for those who
receive the list by e-mail, not that I'm one)




From miles at martinbraeutigam.de  Mon Mar 10 00:45:27 2008
From: miles at martinbraeutigam.de (Miles)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:45:27 +0100
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
References: <fqrtg5+nqt6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014501c88248$20ae9e30$15b2a8c0@miles>

> Kemper now:
> Young McKay was on the Early Show.
> You can see it here:
> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3916376n
> 
> It's a start.  I'd like to see him follow it up with a sister/brother
> group: No Accusing Club.

Miles:
Maybe I'm a bit stupid, sorry. But this is a parody, right?
If not, the Atlantic ocean is much bigger than I always thought...



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 10 02:06:01 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:06:01 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <014501c88248$20ae9e30$15b2a8c0@miles>
Message-ID: <fr2529+n04a@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper:
> > Young McKay was on the Early Show.
> > You can see it here:
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3916376n
> > 
> > It's a start.  I'd like to see him follow it up with a 
> > sister/brothergroup: No Accusing Club.

> Miles:
> Maybe I'm a bit stupid, sorry. But this is a parody, right?
> If not, the Atlantic ocean is much bigger than I always thought...

Kemper now:
The video is real.  The kid seems sincere, and I admire him for it. 
It takes a lot of guts.

Kemper




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 10 02:17:16 2008
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (Annemehr)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:17:16 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/9/2008, 1:00 pm
In-Reply-To: <fr1koj+sdtm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr25nc+5oim@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> Carol responds to an automated annoucement:
> 
> I just checked the calendar, which shows two of these announcements,
> two hours apart. Do we really need both, Elvses? Or can one be 
deleted?


I don't know, but as I recall, someone once requested the other 
announcement to arrive at a different time.  I don't remember who it 
was, but they either needed earlier notice, or a reminder closer to the 
start of the chat.  That's why it was added.

Since the person hasn't piped up to your queries, perhaps they're not 
around anymore.

A.






From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Mar 10 03:55:51 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:55:51 -0000
Subject: heteronormativity in the potteruniverse
Message-ID: <fr2bg7+3ia5@eGroups.com>

To my brothers and sisters and those who choose not to embrace eiher 
gender..

Oh, goodness, yes, we would have liked George to be involved with a 
male friend, and same gender couples kissing at the Yule Ball, and 
not having the only (openly identified by JKR) gay character as being 
celibate after tragically falling in love with the wrong guy. (AND 
for the record, GG could have been gay, straight, bisexual or 
transgender, we don't know
..they could have had sex, we don't 
know..and we don't know whether GG was in love with DD. I suggest 
that GG WAS in love with GG because he showed remorse in his old age, 
and didn't tell Voledemort, I'd love to speculate that it was because 
in part GG didn't want Voldemort to desecrate DD's tomb). Yes, we 
would have liked less of a heteronormative Potterverse.

Yet, if we want to judge JKR's work by purely political grounds - 
meaning [(yes right wingers ? here it is the vast HOMOSEXUAL 
CONSPIRACY you've told us again and again is out there)  this is our 
AGENDA... that the world will see lesbians, bisexuals, gay men, and 
trans gender people as other human beings deserving of dignity, 
respect, full civil rights
that we are diverse, some of us good, some 
of us making bad choices, some of  us are evil, some of us are 
celibate, some of us have multiple partners, some of us find the 
special beloved soul mate to whom we cleave forever and ever
that 
there are flawed individuals who make the evil choice to sexually 
molest a child or a youth - but that flaw is not the flaw of 
orientation
meaning that the adults who rape children are mostly men, 
are mostly heterosexual in their adult orientation, that some of them 
are men who are gay in their orientation, that there are a few women 
who molest/rape boys or girls...


If we measure JKR's work by THAT goal..she has accomplished a huge 
amount. Note the anguish, the fury, the angst, the disgust of the 
right wing fundamentalists at the disclosure that DD, the most 
powerful wizard in the world, who is a good and great man (as Harry 
says at the end of DH), who like all good and great human beings 
(Gandhi, Mother Theresa), had flaws
the guy in the plum suit with the 
wonderful sense of humor, he who gave people second chances, who 
trusted, who loved
.he's gay. Bravo, JKR
...

But my analysis of Ms. Rowling is that she really did not have a 
political agenda.  She did not make DD gay delierataly... he  He 
popped into head that way. But the fact is that she didn't interfere 
with his orientaton,  and SHE doesn't think that being gay is bad. 
The End. (As mad eye would say).







From miamibarb at comcast.net  Tue Mar 11 00:09:01 2008
From: miamibarb at comcast.net (Barbara)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:09:01 -0000
Subject: Naughty reply
In-Reply-To: <fqvmsl+10gl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fr4iit+ula5@eGroups.com>

<catlady at ...> wrote:

> Something else that I think you're likely to know: why do the chapters
> of eighteenth century novels have long titles that are a summary of
> the chapter?

Ivogun (Barbara Roberts):

If you want LONG, take a look at the titles (on the title page) for
non-fiction works from the same period (give or take a century or two.) 






From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 13 19:33:41 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:33:41 -0000
Subject: Blonde Jokes
Message-ID: <frbvil+88l8@eGroups.com>

 had a good chuckle....hope you do too !!

Jayne


BLONDE LOGIC  
    Two blonde's living in Oklahoma were sitting on a bench talking, 
and one blonde says to the other, "Which do you think is farther 
away... Florida or the moon?" 
    The other blonde turns and says "Helloooooooooo, can you see 
Florida ?????" 
  
CAR TROUBLE 

    A blonde pushes her BMW into a gas station. She tells the 
mechanic it died. 
    After he works on it for a few minutes, it is idling smoothly. 
    She says, "What's the story?" 
    He replies, "Just crap in the carburetor" 
    She asks, "How often do I have to do that?" 
  
SPEEDING TICKET  

    A police officer stops a blonde for speeding and asks her very 
nicely if he could see her license. 
    She replied in a huff, "I wish you guys would get your act 
together. Just yesterday you take away my license and then today you 
expect me to show it to you!" 
 
RIVER WALK 

    There's this blonde out for a walk. She comes to a river and sees 
another blonde on the opposite bank. "Yoo-hoo!" she shouts, "How can 
I get to the other side?" 
    The second blonde looks up the river then down the river and 
shouts back, "You  ARE on the other side." 

AT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE 

    A gorgeous young redhead goes into the doctor's office and said 
that her body hurt wherever she touched it. 
    "Impossible!" says the doctor. "Show me." 
The redhead took her finger, pushed on her left shoulder and 
screamed, then she pushed her elbow and screamed even more. She 
pushed her knee and screamed; 
likewise she pushed her ankle and screamed. Everywhere she touched 
made her scream. 
    The doctor said, "You're not really a redhead, are you?  

"Well, no" she said, "I'm actually a blonde." 
    "I thought so," the doctor said. "Your finger is broken."

KNITTING 

    A highway patrolman pulled alongside a speeding car on the 
freeway. Glancing at the car, he was astounded to see that the blonde 
behind the wheel was knitting! 
    Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and 
siren, the trooper  cranked down his window, turned on his bullhorn 
and yelled, "PULL OVER!" 
    "NO!" the blonde yelled back, "IT'S A SCARF!" 

BLONDE ON THE SUN
    A Russian, an American, and a Blonde were talking one day. The 
Russian said, "We were the first in space!" 
    The American said, "We were the first on the moon!"  
    The Blonde said, "So what? We're going to be the first on the 
sun!" 
    The Russian and the American looked at each other and shook their 
heads.  "You can't land on the sun, you idiot! You'll burn up!" said 
the Russian. 
    To which the Blonde replied, "We're not stupid, you know. We're 
going at night!" 

IN A VACUUM
    A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her turn. 
She rolled the  dice and she landed on Science & Nature. Her question 
was, "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you 
hear it?"  
    She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"


FINALLY, THE BLONDE JOKE TO END ALL BLONDE JOKES!  

    A girl was visiting her blonde friend, who had acquired two new 
dogs, and asked her what their names were. The blonde responded by 
saying that one was named 
Rolex and one was named Timex.   Her friend said, "Whoever heard of 
someone naming dogs like that?" 
"HELLLOOOOOOO......," answered the blond.  "They're watch dogs!"

 






From s_ings at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 14 15:31:57 2008
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:31:57 -0000
Subject: Last call for CFP submissions
Message-ID: <fre5pd+vbte@eGroups.com>

Yes, that's right, the time has come. Submissions for the Convention 
Alley 2008 CFP must be in by the end of the day tomorrow. I know you've
 
got that idea just itching to be presented, so now is the time. 

Send us your ideas for papers, panels or round table discussions. 
Submissions should be sent to convention_alley at yahoo.ca

There's still lots of discussion to be had and we look forward to 
hearing your thoughts and ideas!

Sheryll Townsend
Convention Alley 2008





From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 16 15:43:40 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 16 Mar 2008 15:43:40 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/16/2008, 11:00 am 
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From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 16 17:00:22 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:00:22 -0000
Subject: heteronormativity in the potteruniverse
In-Reply-To: <fr2bg7+3ia5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frjjn6+p2lp@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin at ...>
wrote:

<Schlobin at ...> wrote:

>we don't know whether GG was in love with DD. I suggest

> that GG WAS in love with GG because he showed remorse in his old age,

> and didn't tell Voledemort, I'd love to speculate that it was because

> in part GG didn't want Voldemort to desecrate DD's tomb).



<snip>



> Yet, if we want to judge JKR's work by purely political grounds -

> meaning [(yes right wingers ? here it is the vast HOMOSEXUAL

> CONSPIRACY you've told us again and again is out there)  this is our

> AGENDA... meaning that the adults who rape children are mostly men,

> are mostly heterosexual in their adult orientation, that some of them

> are men who are gay in their orientation, that there are a few women

> who molest/rape boys or girls...



<snip>



> She did not make DD gay delierataly... he  He

> popped into head that way.



<snip>



bdclark0423:

Absolutely, we don't know anything about DD & GG's actual
relationship (although very interesting point you speculate on GG not
wanting Voldy to desecrate tomb)  this only adds to some definitely some
underlying themes:  Love conquers all, DD never killed GG (even to get
the Elder Wand),  DD waiting so long to confront GG, the way DD kept
most of his private life `in the closet'



This leads to next topic about Homosexual Agenda and how some supporters
have even taken the next step and formed the association God Hates
America.  These people have got it totally wrong.  First their
progression of how ignorance is leading them down the wrong path:  GOD
is truth, light, and love.  Their misconception of who the rapist is
makes perfect light of this.  BTW, you should revise your statement to
read:  that there are a few women/gay men who molest/rape boys or
girls
(only because gay men don't have any interest in boys or
girls, but men).  Besides we're too busy hanging out in flower
shops, ballet school, flight attendant lounges, restaurants for brunch,
and antique stores
.and discos, of course!



Lastely, I would think as a writer, she would have had a character
profile for DD already, and it only made sense that this was his
orientation.  So in a way, she did deliberately make him that way, only
because that was the character that popped into her head.  I think,
though, she was clever enough not to explicitly have DD come out in the
books, and appropriately enough he did after she completed the series.



Regardless, it's the same old story with people like the right
wingers, the AFA/Homosexual Agenda , GodHatesAmerica, etc.  they easily
can take one bit of the whole and completely misconstrue the intent and
not look at the entire message.



bdclark0423



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From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 16 17:15:10 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:15:10 -0000
Subject: heteronormativity in the potteruniverse
In-Reply-To: <frjjn6+p2lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frjkiu+qsc7@eGroups.com>

To expand further on my last thoughts:

What are these groups referencing as to why homosexuality is 
considered an abomination?  In most cases, these people believe this 
way because that is what has been told to them.  I seriously doubt 
much people actually take the time to look at the passages they so 
conveniently reference.  Think about it, if the Bible is the Word of 
God, then it should be the most powerful in giving us insight to who 
HE is.  With this power, you can do great things, whether for good 
or for evil.  And you definitely can take what's written and have 
much influence over others.  Continue on with ignorance, reinforce 
intolerance and prejudice, instigate mistrust, and eventually fuel 
hate.  Anyway, here are the three main references and how I see it:

Sodom & Gomorrah
This one is simple, look to the golden rule as to what the sin of 
the townspeople was.  Not innuendo of having sexual relations with 
someone of the same sex, but rather the intent to cause harm to a 
stranger.

I Corinthians 6:9
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of 
God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor 
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

In other versions, term homosexuality is used to either describe 
adulterers or the effeminate, but in Greek 'effeminate' relates to 
characterisics of not being a man (or soft/weak/lack of force) and 
homosexuality was more considered the act of  Socialites extorting 
young male slaves.

So terminology is not quite clear if you go from version to version, 
it is best to look to the whole passage and what Paul is saying in 
the entire letter.  Christians must live with those around them and 
they may be of other followings because not everyone is going to 
believe the same thing.  Therefore, it is up to the church to create 
the moral laws and not up to the government.

Leviticus 18:22
Translation from Hebrew is "And with a male you shall not lay lyings 
of a woman"

And I found one explanation for this verse on 
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Religion_and_sexuality
 
That is, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on a woman's 
bed. Presumably, they must go elsewhere to have sex; a woman's bed 
was sacred and was to be reserved for heterosexual sex.

However, the chapters before also layout the commandment of making 
animal sacrifices, mixing linen with wool as clothing, cut your 
hair/beard in any specific fashion, eat shellfish and pork (this 
list goes on and are commands that most people no longer follow). 

The next chapter then spells out the Golden Rule where you must not 
judge others, harm others, hate others, to give to the poor and the 
stranger, steal, lie, etc


So where does the modern day Christian draw the line at what is 
lawful and what is abomination?  Simply put, believe in Jesus and 
you will do no wrong.  No where in Jesus' teachings does he even 
address homosexuality.  He acts the way he thinks, and that is to 
work through the ability to love.

Sound like a familiar message?





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From iluvoz2 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 16 14:39:27 2008
From: iluvoz2 at yahoo.com (*BARB*)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:39:27 -0000
Subject: The DH Film
In-Reply-To: <fqp1oi+hecn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frjbev+ehjv@eGroups.com>


> "nymphadoratonks91" wrote:
>
> I heard a rumour last night that the last film the DH will be
> made in to two films to give it justification. does anyone know
> if this is true?



Hi I am a new member...I love Harry Potter even tho I am an "older"
fan, I still enjoy everything about the books and movies.

Here is an article about the split movies, I hope it comes up for ya.
If not I will re-post the article itself.

I think this is a great decision because the book is so long I would
hate to miss any of it on film. I think that is what happened to
Order of Phoenix book, left to much out in my opinion.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?\
j=249472160&p=z4947z866



Barb











From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 16 20:31:14 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:31:14 -0000
Subject: The DH Film
In-Reply-To: <frjbev+ehjv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frk02i+8mlk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "*BARB*" <iluvoz2 at ...> wrote:

> Here is an article about the split movies, I hope it comes up for ya.
> If not I will re-post the article itself.
> http://breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?\
> j=249472160&p=z4947z866

Thanks for the article. In it, Dan Radcliffe said: "but the seventh
book doesn't really have any subplots. It's one driving, pounding
story from the word go." 

One driving, pounding story ... that made me laugh, thinking of all
the people (even humor writer Dave Barry) complaining that the boring
camping trip went on forever and ever.
> 
> I think this is a great decision because the book is so long I would
> hate to miss any of it on film. I think that is what happened to
> Order of Phoenix book, left to much out in my opinion.
> 
When we saw OoP movie, my friend said: "What a great preview trailer
for the book."




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 16 21:44:43 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:44:43 -0000
Subject: heteronormativity in the potteruniverse
In-Reply-To: <frjjn6+p2lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frk4cb+qms2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bdclark0423"
<bdclark0423 at ...> wrote:
 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin@>
> wrote:
> we don't know whether GG was in love with DD. I suggest that GG WAS
> in love with GG because he showed remorse in his old age, and didn't
> tell Voledemort, I'd love to speculate that it was because in part 
> GG didn't want Voldemort to desecrate DD's tomb).
 
> bdclark0423:
> Absolutely, we don't know anything about DD & GG's actual
> relationship (although very interesting point you speculate on 
> not wanting Voldy to desecrate tomb)  

I like the theory that GG defied LV because he didn't want LV to win.
Which could have been because he didn't want LV to go down in the
history books as having conquered as big an empire as GG did, a GG
vanity reason. 

But it also could have been because he had had 50 undistracted years
to think about it and thus come to realize that conquering people is
immoral and thus decided to serve the Good. 

There are other possibilities in between those theories.

A GG / DD personal love motive is that GG, rather than caring about
desecrating a grave (the dead body is NOT the person; the person has
gone on at least as far as 'King's Cross'), wanted revenge on LV for
killing DD. That would apply whether they had an 'affair' or
'uncomsummated' romantic love or love as best friends.

An impersonal GG love motive is that GG somehow Legilimensed LV and
saw that he was a complete madman who only loved to destroy, killing
even his most loyal followers when in a tantrum, and saw that LV was
very bad for the wizarding folk, even the purebloods. And (in this
theory) GG's real motive all along had been to raise the wizarding
folk over the Muggles, not to destroy the wizarding folk nor even the
Muggles, so he acted to protect the wizarding folk from LV.

Did GG start out evil? I am sure he didn't start out as evil as LV.
Even the most handsome and witty young man in the universe couldn't
seduce the young Albus Dumbledore with the idea of 'let's go around
killing people and destroying the economy and the environment, because
killing people and destroying things is so much fun' (which I am
certain is LV's motive). 

If his goal was 'I want to conquer a bigger empire than Alexander the
Great', at one time that would have been viewed as laudable ambition
rather than as evil. If it was 'I want to conquer an empire so I can
subjugate all the Muggles therein so they can never hurt wizards
again', at one time that would have been viewed as a noble and
virtuous goal, like patriotism. 

Why was he expelled from Durmstrang? Is it canon or fanfic that he was
expelled for killing a fellow student? Did he kill that student just
to try out whether AK works, or to make a Horcrux, or in a quarrel, or
was it like the plot of so many old romantic folk songs in which the
young man murders the young woman because he doesn't want anyone to
know that he got her pregnant? Was he expelled for preaching about the
Three Hallows and rudely contradicting professors who said the
Hallows were a fairy tale?

> this only adds to some definitely some underlying themes:  Love 
> conquers all, DD never killed GG (even to get the Elder Wand),  DD 
> waiting so long to confront GG, the way DD kept most of his private
> life `in the closet'

Those particular examples don't sound very pro-love. In particular,
love that caused DD to wait so long to confront GG was love
responsible for all the people killed or tortured by GG's empire
between the time DD knew it was monstrous and the time DD acted.

And I don't think it's clear what DD was trying to avoid when he
waited so long. Maybe he was trying to avoid killing the person he was
still in love with. Maybe he, knowing GG's abilities, was afraid he
might *lose* the duel or the trap he set might *fail*. Maybe he was
afraid that GG would be overheard saying something to him that would
damage his (DD's) pristine reputation.

> This leads to next topic about Homosexual Agenda and how some 
> supporters have even taken the next step and formed the association
> God Hates America.  These people have got it totally wrong. 

Those people may be extremely helpful to achieving human rights for
gay people. Some number of Muggles who still believe that same-sex
attraction is a mental illness or a sin, or who just can't stand
anything to change from the way it was when they were eight years old,
get so offended by people who say 'hate America' and people who abuse
soldiers' funerals, that they oppose whatever those people support.




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From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 17 16:16:51 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:16:51 -0000
Subject: Proud to be Welsh
Message-ID: <frm5hj+bgid@eGroups.com>

Once again I am proud to be Welsh after this weekend's fantastic Grand 
Slam win in the Rugby. 

For those of you who are not Welsh it  would not be important, but most 
Welsh People eat and breathe Rugby so it was great , especially as we 
were written off after the World Cup when England did so well !!!!

Jayne
A Welsh Lady living in England , and who is always proud of being Welsh




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Mar 17 17:35:38 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:35:38 -0000
Subject: HP in Latin and Greek
Message-ID: <frma5a+bk10@eGroups.com>

Hey, folks, has anyone checked out the HP versions in Latin and 
Greek..I heard the Greek one is not too good...anyone know anything 
about the Latin version?

Susan




From drdara at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 17 18:47:07 2008
From: drdara at yahoo.com (danielle)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:47:07 -0000
Subject: Just Wondering
Message-ID: <frmebb+10gha@eGroups.com>

I am curious, to whom would Harry give the Maruaders Map too. Would it 
be James Sirius, Albus Severus or little Lily Potter. James S may be 
more like his namesake, but I am thinking he would give it to Albus who 
is more like Harry. Ginny would prolly vote for Lily lol. Now if Harry 
gave over the invisibility cloak to the kids while they were attending 
Hogwarts who do you think he would give it too?

Danielle




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 17 18:56:34 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:56:34 -0000
Subject: Just Wondering
In-Reply-To: <frmebb+10gha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frmet2+i1td@eGroups.com>

---  "danielle" <drdara at ...> wrote:
>
> I am curious, to whom would Harry give the Maruaders Map too.
> Would it be James Sirius, Albus Severus or little Lily Potter.
> James S may be more like his namesake, but I am thinking he 
> would give it to Albus who is more like Harry. Ginny would 
> prolly (or in English 'Probably') vote for Lily lol. Now if 
> Harry gave over the invisibility cloak to the kids while they
> were attending Hogwarts who do you think he would give it too?
> 
> Danielle
>

bboyminn:

JKR was asked this question, and I tend to agree with her 
answer. She said, that Harry being a responsible adult and
parent would not give the Map or the Cloak to anyone. No
parent could or would sanction, night time wanderings or
mischief making that was against the school rules put in
place to protect students. 

So, Harry kept the Maps safely locked away in his desk. 
Though JKR reckons James Sirius snuck into Harry's study
and took the Map, and used it at Hogwarts. I'm sure Harry at
some point noticed the Maps was gone, and assume, rightly, 
where it had went, but said nothing. 

So, I don't think, being responsible parents, Harry or
Ginny would choose anyone to give the Map to. They would
discourage their kids from mischief making, but at the same
time, know that mischief making was very likely to occur.  

Steve/bluewizard





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Mar 17 19:17:19 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:17:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just Wondering
In-Reply-To: <frmet2+i1td@eGroups.com>
References: <frmebb+10gha@eGroups.com> <frmet2+i1td@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601c88863$85066db0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[Steve]:
| They would
| discourage their kids from mischief making, but at the same
| time, know that mischief making was very likely to occur.  
| 
| Steve/bluewizard

[Lee]:
Especially since the Mischief-Making gene is on both sides of the family!
<LOL>  You've got Mischief-Maker James Potter (Harry's father) and Gini's
brothers, Mischief-Makers Par Excellence.  So, if mischief didn't happen, I
would be very worried. <Grin>

What I want to know is whatever happened to Kreacher?  Is he still with the
Potters?  And what happened to Grimmauld Place?  If anyone has JKR's answers
to these burning questions I'd be delighted.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar 17 21:32:45 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:32:45 -0000
Subject: Proud to be Welsh
In-Reply-To: <frm5hj+bgid@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frmo1t+tato@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" <jaynesmith62 at ...> wrote:
>
> Once again I am proud to be Welsh after this weekend's fantastic Grand 
> Slam win in the Rugby. 
> 
> For those of you who are not Welsh it  would not be important, but most 
> Welsh People eat and breathe Rugby so it was great , especially as we 
> were written off after the World Cup when England did so well !!!!
> 
> Jayne
> A Welsh Lady living in England , and who is always proud of being Welsh

Geoff:
Well, the English cricket team flattened the Kiwis in the Second Test, we 
trounced Ireland in the Six Nations so we managed to hold third place and 
Lewis Hamilton won his first F1 grand Prix of the new season.

However, Jayne, I will raise a glass to you. I love Wales and the Welsh. One 
of my favourite spots to visit is Llyn y Fan Fach near Llanddeusant in the 
Brecon Beacons and I can see Pen y Fan on a clear day from the cliff tops 
near my home.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Mar 18 01:57:50 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:57:50 -0000
Subject: Just Wondering
In-Reply-To: <001601c88863$85066db0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <frn7iu+asr9@eGroups.com>

 
> [Lee]:> 
> What I want to know is whatever happened to Kreacher?  Is he still 
with the Potters?  And what happened to Grimmauld Place?  If anyone has 
JKR's answers to these burning questions I'd be delighted.


Potioncat:
Well, I could be wrong, but I think the Potters live at Grimmauld 
Place, and are tended to by Kreacher so that Ginny could work full 
time. Since he's pretty old by now, I imagine he's assisted by his very 
capable son, Kritter. ;p




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Mar 18 05:33:21 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:33:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Just Wondering
In-Reply-To: <frn7iu+asr9@eGroups.com>
References: <001601c88863$85066db0$67a4a8c0@FRODO> <frn7iu+asr9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c888b9$94e4d090$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

| Potioncat:
| Well, I could be wrong, but I think the Potters live at Grimmauld 
| Place, and are tended to by Kreacher so that Ginny could work full 
| time. Since he's pretty old by now, I imagine he's assisted 
| by his very 
| capable son, Kritter. ;p

[Lee]:
LOL! I love it! :-)  How about his wife, Klutter and his daughter, Klatter?
:-)

Chers,

Lee :-)
(Who thinketh she hath a buglet as the room tilteth and spinneth even in the
lying down position!)





From Schlobin at aol.com  Tue Mar 18 05:44:02 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:44:02 -0000
Subject: any classicists on this board?
Message-ID: <frnkr2+4l1g@eGroups.com>

I recently have been trying to unravel an issue/answer a question and 
wonder if any of you have any insight into it.

In high school, I was taught a Latin phrase. I was told that it was 
an example of the Delphic oracle's ambiguity. The phrase was:

Ibis Redibis in Numquam Armis Peribis. As many of you many know, in  
Latin, word order is irrelevant. It's the endings of the words that 
give you the meaning.  (Although there is a standard word order which 
is often ignored in poetry). Numquam can modify either redibus or 
peribis...you can't tell which one. SO....the phrase EITHER means

"You will go, you will return, you will never perish in arms" OR
it means 
"You will go, you will never return, you will perish in arms." 
 
ALSO some use nunquam rather than numquam, including J.K.R. in the 
Hogwarts motto. Both are correct.

I was talking to my partner about this and she looked puzzled and 
asked if it were from the Delphic oracle why was it in Latin? 
 
I didn't know the answer so I did some research on the web.
 
SOOOO...it actually was not one of the easier Google searches. One 
site said it was a Latin translation of the Greek, which I thought, 
well maybe, but Greek is inflected too, but word order means a lot 
more than in Latin..that doesn't seem right..but that "hit" gave me 
the clue......it says that the quote is "in bello" rather than "in 
armis"...which means in war, rather than in arms.


I found this explanation 
Delphi Oracle - Syntactic Ambiguity
A famous Latin translation of one of the prophecies of the oracle at 
Delphi reads "Ibis, redibis numquam peribis in bello." Two different 
translations and interpretations may be provided for this sentence. 
1. "You'll leave, and you shall never return as you will perish in 
the war." 2. "You'll leave and return, and you shall not perish in 
the war." Very close to what I had been taught.
 
I  was ready to give up when I tried a slightly different google 
search (based on one of the "hits" which indicated that the quote 
really was referring to Salvani, who was referenced in Dante's Divine 
Comedy)
 
The notes indicated that Salvani was a Ghibelline chief who led the 
Siennese troops at the battle of Mantaperta. He then consulted the 
necromancers and ventured into the battle at Colle in the Val d'Elsa 
when his command was defeated by the Florentines and he lost his own 
life. Villani records that the answer of the medieval oracle 
consulted by the unfortunate Ghibelline was expressed by a truly 
classical ambiguity...
So that explains THAT -- why THAT quote is in Latin.
Okay, that's fine...but then there are OTHER Latin quotes from the 
Delphic oracle???
 
Croesus who was told you will destroy a mighty empire....and invaded 
the Assyrians and destroyed his own empire...was given his answer in 
Latin...according to my research..
 
Pyrrthus, being about to make war against Rome, was told by the 
oracle "Credo te, Aeacide, Romanos  vincere posse, which can mean 
either "I believe that you, Pyrrthus can conquer the Romans" or 
else "I believe, Pyrrthus, that the Romans will conquer."
 
Why are these oracles (from the Delphic oracle) in Latin rather than 
Greek?
 
Most of these are from Herodotus (whose veracity is being supported 
these days by various archaeological finds).  Maybe the first 
translations of Herodotus were into Latin and people are using 
those??? I don't get it.

Can anyone on this list shed some light?

Susan





From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 18 11:08:45 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:08:45 -0000
Subject: Proud to be Welsh
In-Reply-To: <frmo1t+tato@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fro7rt+k82n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" <jaynesmith62@> 
wrote:
> >
> > Once again I am proud to be Welsh after this weekend's fantastic 
Grand 
> > Slam win in the Rugby. 
> > 
> > For those of you who are not Welsh it  would not be important, 
but most 
> > Welsh People eat and breathe Rugby so it was great , especially 
as we 
> > were written off after the World Cup when England did so well !!!!
> > 
> > Jayne
> > A Welsh Lady living in England , and who is always proud of being 
Welsh
> 
> Geoff:
> Well, the English cricket team flattened the Kiwis in the Second 
Test, we 
> trounced Ireland in the Six Nations so we managed to hold third 
place and 
> Lewis Hamilton won his first F1 grand Prix of the new season.
> 
> However, Jayne, I will raise a glass to you. I love Wales and the 
Welsh. One 
> of my favourite spots to visit is Llyn y Fan Fach near Llanddeusant 
in the 
> Brecon Beacons and I can see Pen y Fan on a clear day from the 
cliff tops 
> near my home.
>
Hi Geoff
Yes England did well too. Where about do you live. Unfortunatly I 
don't live in Wales any more as I am married to an English man, but 
love going back when ever I an. I am from South Wales eg Bridgend.
But worked in Cardiff for three years and love the Gower coast  and 
Pembrookeshire

Jayne




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Mar 18 16:00:17 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:00:17 -0000
Subject: Proud to be Welsh
In-Reply-To: <fro7rt+k82n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <froouh+tk3t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" <jaynesmith62 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> <gbannister10@> wrote:

> > Geoff:
> > Well, the English cricket team flattened the Kiwis in the Second 
> Test, we 
> > trounced Ireland in the Six Nations so we managed to hold third 
> place and 
> > Lewis Hamilton won his first F1 grand Prix of the new season.
> > 
> > However, Jayne, I will raise a glass to you. I love Wales and the 
> Welsh. One 
> > of my favourite spots to visit is Llyn y Fan Fach near Llanddeusant 
> in the 
> > Brecon Beacons and I can see Pen y Fan on a clear day from the 
> cliff tops 
> > near my home.
> >
> Hi Geoff
> Yes England did well too. Where about do you live. Unfortunatly I 
> don't live in Wales any more as I am married to an English man, but 
> love going back when ever I an. I am from South Wales eg Bridgend.
> But worked in Cardiff for three years and love the Gower coast  and 
> Pembrookeshire
> 
> Jayne

Geoff:
I know the Cardiff area well; we have a close friend who lives in 
Penarth and we try to go over for long weekends a few times a 
year. I like the coast from, say, from Llanwit Major through 
Atlantic College and on to Nash Point and Porthcawl. I don't know 
the Gower quite as well although I have an old friend who lives in 
Newton and I visited Three Cliffs Bay last year.

I currently live in Porlock, almost opposite to Bridgend across the 
Bristol Channel but lived for very many years in Wandsworth in 
South London - about 3 miles from where Daniel Radcliffe still lives. 

I grew up in Lancashire in the North-west but my parents moved 
south when I was nine.

Actually, if I lean slightly to the right as I sit here typing, I can see 
Porthcawl, hazy sunshine today.





From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 18 16:36:01 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:36:01 -0000
Subject: Proud to be Welsh
In-Reply-To: <froouh+tk3t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fror1h+h1pa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Jayne" <jaynesmith62@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> > <gbannister10@> wrote:
> 
> > > Geoff:
> > > > I grew up in Lancashire in the North-west but my parents moved 
> south when I was nine.
> 
> Actually, if I lean slightly to the right as I sit here typing, I can 
see 
> Porthcawl, hazy sunshine today.
>
Ilove the coast around Porthcawl too Rest Bay is lovely. Spent a lot of 
my childhood there

Jayne




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 18 17:02:52 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:02:52 -0000
Subject: any classicists on this board?
In-Reply-To: <frnkr2+4l1g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frosjs+61pc@eGroups.com>

---  "susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin at ...> wrote:
>
> I recently have been trying to unravel an issue/answer a 
> question and wonder if any of you have any insight into it.
> 
> ...
> 
> Ibis Redibis in Numquam Armis Peribis. ... Numquam can modify
> either redibus or  peribis...you can't tell which one. SO...
> the phrase EITHER means -
> 
> "You will go, you will return, you will never perish in arms" 
>
> ...OR...
>
> it means-
> "You will go, you will never return, you will perish in arms." 
>  
> ...
> Delphi Oracle - Syntactic Ambiguity
> A famous Latin translation of one of the prophecies of the 
> oracle at Delphi reads "Ibis, redibis numquam peribis in 
> bello." Two different translations and interpretations may be
> provided for this sentence.
> 
> 1. "You'll leave, and you shall never return as you will 
> perish in the war." 
>
> 2. "You'll leave and return, and you shall not perish in 
> the war." Very close to what I had been taught.
>  
> ...
>  
> Pyrrthus, being about to make war against Rome, was told by 
> the oracle "Credo te, Aeacide, Romanos  vincere posse, which
> can mean either-  
> "I believe that you, Pyrrthus can conquer the Romans" 
> 
> or else- 
> "I believe, Pyrrthus, that the Romans will conquer."
>  
> ...
> 
> Can anyone on this list shed some light?
> 
> Susan
>


bboyminn:

Sorry, off on my own tangent here, and not meaning to stir
any controversy, but there are so many people who are so
all-fired sure as to exactly what the Bible does and doesn't
say, yet these examples clearly illustrate how the simplest
of phrases can have exactly the opposite meaning depending
on how they are interpreted. 

Of course, in your examples were are dealing with Prophecies
that I suspect are intended to be ambiguous and confusing. 
Prophets and Seers, like Leprechauns, are tricksters, and you
can never truly trust what they say. 

Now, I suspect in the broad and general context, we can take
the Bible at its general philosophy, but when people start
to pick and choose short passages with absolute certainty
as to there meaning, I start to become suspicious.

As to your original question, I haven't got a clue.

Steve/bboyminn 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 03:54:06 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:54:06 -0000
Subject: any classicists on this board?
In-Reply-To: <frnkr2+4l1g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <frq2ou+j5sd@eGroups.com>

susanmcgee wrote:
>
> I recently have been trying to unravel an issue/answer a question
and wonder if any of you have any insight into it.
> 
> In high school, I was taught a Latin phrase. I was told that it was
an example of the Delphic oracle's ambiguity. The phrase was:
> 
> Ibis Redibis in Numquam Armis Peribis. As many of you many know, in
Latin, word order is irrelevant. <snip> SO....the phrase EITHER means
> "You will go, you will return, you will never perish in arms" OR it
means "You will go, you will never return, you will perish in arms." 
> <snip>
> 
> I was talking to my partner about this and she looked puzzled and 
> asked if it were from the Delphic oracle why was it in Latin? 

> <snip>

> I found this explanation 
> Delphi Oracle - Syntactic Ambiguity
> A famous Latin translation of one of the prophecies of the oracle at
Delphi reads "Ibis, redibis numquam peribis in bello." Two different
translations and interpretations may be provided for this sentence. 
1. "You'll leave, and you shall never return as you will perish in 
the war." 2. "You'll leave and return, and you shall not perish in 
the war." Very close to what I had been taught.
<snip>

Carol responds:
The article that you cited (which I also found) gives you your answer.
The often quoted words are a translation that preserves the ambiguity
of the original.

I'm not a classicist, but I know a bit about English literature and
history, as well as the background of particular English writers
(especially Shelley) and their education.

Here's my take on why the prophecies made by the Delphic Oracle (the
Pythia, obviously not the same person from generation to generation)
are frequently given in Latin. (Please note that I'm speculating, not
giving an authoritative answer and will happily accept correction.) In
the nineteenth century and earlier, educated Englishmen were quite
likely to know Latin but less likely to know Greek, or at least, to
know it less well than they knew Latin. They might, for example, have
read Sophocles's "Oidipos Tyrannos" (I don't read Greek and may have
the transliteration wrong) in its Latin translation, "Oedipus Rex"
(the title retained in most English translations but obviously not the
original title). English writers of this period often referred to the
Greek gods by their Roman names in translations from the original
Greek, as if the Greeks worshipped Jupiter and Venus and Mercury
rather than Zeus and Aphrodite and Hermes. I think they would expect
their readers to be familiar with the Oracle's pronouncements in Latin
rather than the original Greek (unless they were writing for fellow
Oxford or Cambridge graduates).

At any rate, the Oracle at Delphi dates back to prehistoric times, and
the prophecies that we have date from, IIRC, the seventh or eighth
century B.C. to Roman times. (Croesus died in 546 B.C. and Pyrrhus in
272 B.C.) Until Greece was conquered by the Romans in 146 B.C., the
prophecies (including those made to Croesus and Pyrrhus) would have
been made in Greek. It's possible, even probable, that they continued
to be made in Greek even after Greece was conquered. After all, the
Romans respected and imitated Greek culture, and they were more likely
to learn Greek than the Greeks were to learn Latin. (The language of
Greece and the entire eastern half of the Roman Empire, as you
probably know, was Koine Greek, not Latin.)

Carol, who agrees that a Google search on the topic is frustrating and
finds that her own books aren't much help, either, unfortunately






From donnawonna at att.net  Fri Mar 21 15:09:06 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:09:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Testing Yahoo
Message-ID: <47E3CF92.000041.00336@LIFESAVER>

This is a test.  It is only a test.  

Donna

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From donnawonna at att.net  Fri Mar 21 22:12:13 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:12:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Yahoo Test #2
Message-ID: <47E432BC.00000E.02252@LIFESAVER>

I'm getting nothing from Chatter and am wondering if Yahoo has declared me
null and void.

Donna

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 22 01:12:12 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:12:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yahoo Test #2
In-Reply-To: <47E432BC.00000E.02252@LIFESAVER>
References: <47E432BC.00000E.02252@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <000901c88bb9$c261d060$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[Donna]:
| I'm getting nothing from Chatter and am wondering if Yahoo 
| has declared me


I see ya!  See me? *Lee waves frantically.* See...here I is!  Or is that
Here I Are! :-)

Cheers,
Lee :-)





From donnawonna at att.net  Sat Mar 22 19:23:32 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:23:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yahoo Test #2
References: <47E432BC.00000E.02252@LIFESAVER> <000901c88bb9$c261d060$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <47E55CB4.000003.00260@LIFESAVER>

 Donna:

There you be, Lee!!  *Donna throws a grateful kiss.*  I was getting nothing
from most of my Yahoo Groups due to a computer malfunction caused by me and
fixed by  my educated donkey (smart ass) daughter.

Thanx for being there.

Donna 

[Donna]:
| I'm getting nothing from Chatter and am wondering if Yahoo 
| has declared me

I see ya! See me? *Lee waves frantically.* See...here I is! Or is that
Here I Are! :-)

Cheers,
Lee :-)


 
 

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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 22 20:14:17 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:14:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Yahoo Test #2
In-Reply-To: <47E55CB4.000003.00260@LIFESAVER>
References: <47E432BC.00000E.02252@LIFESAVER>
 <000901c88bb9$c261d060$67a4a8c0@FRODO> <47E55CB4.000003.00260@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <000001c88c59$4e9625a0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[Donna]:
| There you be, Lee!!  *Donna throws a grateful kiss.*  I was 
| getting nothing
| from most of my Yahoo Groups due to a computer malfunction 
| caused by me and
| fixed by  my educated donkey (smart ass) daughter.

[Lee]:
Now, Now, be nice...only the kids can fix the computers nowadays. <Grin>

When in doubt, bring on the kids. :-)

Cheers,

Lee :-)





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Mar 23 02:59:44 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:59:44 -0000
Subject: You might be a Potter-Head if....
Message-ID: <fs4h30+sa0f@eGroups.com>

While reading about the inventor of Dungeons and Dragons you read the 
line, "He was always fascinated with the Dark Arts." One double-take 
and a pair of glasses later, the line reads, "...fascinated with the 
Dark Ages."


Your son announces he wants a Pug and you insist it would have to be 
named Pansy. You ignore the glances your family exchange with one 
another while you try to explain.

Potioncat






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 04:25:57 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:25:57 -0000
Subject: You might be a Potter-Head if....
In-Reply-To: <fs4h30+sa0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs4m4l+7q74@eGroups.com>

potioncat wrote:
>
> While reading about the inventor of Dungeons and Dragons you read the 
> line, "He was always fascinated with the Dark Arts." One double-take 
> and a pair of glasses later, the line reads, "...fascinated with the 
> Dark Ages."
> 
> 
> Your son announces he wants a Pug and you insist it would have to be 
> named Pansy. You ignore the glances your family exchange with one 
> another while you try to explain.

Kemper now:
Or when you're describing your son, you say 'he looks like his dad but
he has his mother's eyes.'
And if you're holding him while your saying the above, you turn to
your son and whisper, 'look... at... me...'

Kemper




From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 11:08:11 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:08:11 -0000
Subject: You might be a Potter-Head if....
In-Reply-To: <fs4m4l+7q74@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs5dmr+pdct@eGroups.com>

You know you're a Potter-head 


when you keep years 5, 6, & 7 on your desk and reference them more 
than you would a dictionary or calendar.


when you bring Order of the Phoenix DVD to your family for Christmas 
Holidays, and you end up pausing it after every couple of scenes so 
you can keep everyone up to speed as to what's happened this far in 
the entire series.


when you start making character references to your co-workers:  `This 
workshop planning should be reconsidered for a different title, huh 
Sue-mione Granger?'  "Brucey Potter and the Evil Depths of Fiscal Year 
Planning"





From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 12:36:51 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:36:51 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fr2529+n04a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs5it3+ur0q@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
> The video is real.  The kid seems sincere, and I admire him for 
it. 
> It takes a lot of guts.
> 
> Kemper

bdclark0423
I commend him , as well, for his brave actions.  Not many people are 
willing to stand up to friends and peers, especially at that age, 
when social acceptance plays a vital role.  I come from a family 
that as we were growing up, our language was so clean, that we 
weren't even allowed to say fart or pass gas, we used the 
phrase `shoot a bear.'  However, once I was in middle school, I 
found that I was an outcast because not only did I not know the 
meaning of common cuss words, but I couldn't even use them 
properly.  Now as I look back, I see that perhaps it was better for 
me.  Nowadays, most people find my conversation skills fairly clean 
and socially acceptable, but when I use vulgarity or cuss word, they 
note right away that I've put a little power into what I'm saying.

Knowing cuss words, and how to use them is part of the appeal they 
have, especially for teenagers.  You also have to know when not to 
use them.  When you hear a conversation that is so heavily diluted 
with vulgarity and cuss words, the power of those words also becomes 
diluted.  Take the monkey house at the zoo, when you first walk in, 
you say `Oh, wow! What is that horrible smell?'  After thirty 
minutes, you start to get used to the foul smell and you start 
saying, `okay this isn't too bad.'  Then after an hour, you don't 
even notice it anymore, but anyone just walking into the monkey 
house is saying, `oh wow! What is that horrible smell?'

So when a cuss word is used and you find offense, that is exactly 
the intention of using a cuss word.  We do have the right to free 
speech, we do have the right to voice our opinion, we do have the 
right to let other people know when we are offended, and sometimes 
cuss words should be used when it is something that is intended to 
be offensive, vulgar, and ill-mannered. 

I guess my point is that his club seems to be on the right track:  
You want to treat people with respect because it's only the way you 
would like to be treated in return.  After all , that is the Golden 
Rule, you can't go wrong with that.  But just one last comment:  
words are, in fact, just words, it's the actions that make up who 
you are.

     Your Words
     Watch your Thoughts, they become words.
     Watch your words, they become actions.
     Watch your actions, they become habits.
     Watch your Habits, they become character.
     Watch your Character, for it becomes your Destiny
     ? Frank Outlaw

bdclark0423





From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 13:11:13 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:11:13 -0000
Subject: Just Wondering
In-Reply-To: <001601c88863$85066db0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fs5kth+56v7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm(God Is The 
Healing Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [Steve]:
> | They would
> | discourage their kids from mischief making, but at the same
> | time, know that mischief making was very likely to occur.  
> | 
> | Steve/bluewizard
> 
> [Lee]:
> Especially since the Mischief-Making gene is on both sides of the 
family!
> <LOL>  You've got Mischief-Maker James Potter (Harry's father) and 
Gini's
> brothers, Mischief-Makers Par Excellence.  So, if mischief didn't 
happen, I
> would be very worried. <Grin>
> 
>  <snip>
> 
> Lee :-)
> 

bdclark0423:
During the holidays, Uncle George takes the Potter/Weasley cousins 
on a scavenger hunt at Grimmauld Place for a treasure hunt of `rare 
and valuable' heirlooms, when it is actually Rosie, who has 
inherited her mother's brains and her father's knack for mischief, 
casts the opening spell on Harry's trunk that stores his Hogwart's 
memorabilia where the Map has been tucked away.  Naturally, all the 
cousins use it in the years to come.

I would think Harry would hold on to the cloak until fairly late in 
life, until finally deciding to bestow it on the next rightful 
owner, Luna Lovegood's grandson

bdclark0423




From donnawonna at att.net  Sun Mar 23 14:21:07 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:21:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: HBP Movie
Message-ID: <47E66752.000003.00212@LIFESAVER>

Does anyone know the anticipated release date for the HP&HBP movie?

Donna (who should but doesn't know everything)

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From heidi8 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 14:38:14 2008
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:38:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] HBP Movie
In-Reply-To: <47E66752.000003.00212@LIFESAVER>
References: <47E66752.000003.00212@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <1206283096.18E39B@ea31.dngr.org>

WB has indicated that it'll be November, 2008.

Heidi

Http://www.fictionalley.org
Fanfic of all shapes, sizes and ships!

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:22 am, Donna wrote:
> Does anyone know the anticipated release date for the HP&HBP movie?
>
> Donna (who should but doesn't know everything)
>
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From hpfgu.elves at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 15:05:15 2008
From: hpfgu.elves at gmail.com (hpfgu_elves)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:05:15 -0000
Subject: HBP Movie
In-Reply-To: <47E66752.000003.00212@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <fs5rjb+ctee@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donnawonna at ...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the anticipated release date for the HP&HBP movie?
> 
> Donna (who should but doesn't know everything)
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Geoff:
I have seen release dates for the UK and US on 21/11/08, and 
Australia on 27/11/08.






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 15:07:34 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:07:34 -0000
Subject: HBP Movie
In-Reply-To: <47E66752.000003.00212@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <fs5rnm+cf98@eGroups.com>

> Donna:
> Does anyone know the anticipated release date for the HP&HBP movie?

Kemper now:
IMDB has it set for Nov. 21, 2008.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0417741/


IMDB is a good past/present/future movie database.

Kemper






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 23 15:43:53 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 23 Mar 2008 15:43:53 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/23/2008, 11:00 am 
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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 16:06:30 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:06:30 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fs5it3+ur0q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs5v66+10r3q@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper way earlier:
> > The video is real. ... I admire him for it.
> > It takes a lot of guts.

> bdclark0423
> I commend him , as well, for his brave actions.  
> ... 
> I guess my point is that his club seems to be on the right track:  
> You want to treat people with respect because it's only the way you 
> would like to be treated in return.  After all , that is the Golden 
> Rule, you can't go wrong with that.  

Kemper now:
If the golden rule is any variation of 'treat others as you want to be
treated', then you can go wrong with the golden rule.
  
The problem with the golden rule is that it's self-centric, not
other-centric.  The focus is on you's perspective and life experience:
education, spirituality, politics, ethnicity, culture, family, class, etc.

Don't get me wrong, the intention seems good.  But in it's ignorance,
it can be hurtful.  

I offer the platinum rule:
treat others as they want to be treated.

> bdclark0423:
> But just one last comment:  
> words are, in fact, just words, it's the actions that make up who 
> you are.

Kemper now:
I agree that actions make up who you are.
But words are powerful.  They can harm or heal as evidence by the pain
inflicted from an abuser or the confidence instilled by a mentor.

While words may not be remembered, the words make someone feel a
certain way which is in part where the power comes from.

>
>      Your Words
>      Watch your Thoughts, they become words.
>      Watch your words, they become actions.
>      Watch your actions, they become habits.
>      Watch your Habits, they become character.
>      Watch your Character, for it becomes your Destiny
>      ? Frank Outlaw


Kemper now:
Hmmm... I guess I agree with Frank.





From jnferr at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 16:49:11 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:49:11 -0000
Subject: JK Rowling and therapy
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40802080522u7f33a660p454e2e1af1d98e47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fs61m7+t44b@eGroups.com>

> > Tonks:
> > As to Rowling and her current husband, I would expect with all of
> > the money that she made, she probably had some therapy, or maybe
> > somehow just learned from the past. 
 
> montims:
> Anyway - I jumped in because of the above assertion, just to say 
that JKR is British - I very very much doubt that she would have had 
therapy of any kind. 

montims:
resuscitating the above thread to eat humble pie, as I just read the 
BBC news article saying that JKR had suicidal thoughts when her 
first marriage finished, and only her daughter and the counselling 
she received put an end to her thoughts of suicide.  She recommends 
counselling for others in that situation.  Of course, her 
counselling was free, on the NHS, and linked to a specific 
condition, rather than a luxury to spend excess money on, the idea 
of which I had reacted to in such a kneejerk fashion, but I concede 
I was wrong to reject the idea. 




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Mar 23 17:40:25 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 23 Mar 2008 17:40:25 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/23/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 17:47:54 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:47:54 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
> Kemper now:
> I agree that actions make up who you are.
> 
> <snip>
>
> Kemper now:
> Hmmm... I guess I agree with Frank.
>


bdclark0423 need to clarify:
You say tomato, I say tomato 
You say potato, I say potato

You say treat others as they want to be treated.
I say
.

Aw come on, man! 

let's stop dicing tomatoes, potatoes, onions, whatever!  The golden 
rule is the platinum rule!

Also, Ever heard of sticks and stone may break your bones?  I'm 
trying to make the connection between what people may say to you and 
how you perceive what they say, and eventually acting upon that.  In 
the law's eyes, in GOD's eyes, in your neighbor's eyes, and my eyes, 
that's all that matters at the end of the day.  

Be the better person, always!  That's what Frank is saying.

me too

bdclark0423







From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 23 19:31:45 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:31:45 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fs654a+lr26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs6b71+9vhs@eGroups.com>

> bdclark0423 need to clarify:
> You say tomato, I say tomato
> You say potato, I say potato
>
> You say treat others as they want to be treated.
> I say
.
> Aw come on, man!
> let's stop dicing tomatoes, potatoes, onions, whatever! The golden
> rule is the platinum rule!

Kemper now:
No need to clarify :)  
The rules are different, and the difference isn't subtle.  

The difference is as obvious as you saying nightshade while I'm saying
ambroia.
Your apple is a Golden Delicious, mine is golden.
YOu are considering the beauty in you.  I am considering the beauty in
the world.
One is the past, the other the future.  The present is in transition.


> bdclark0423:
> Also, Ever heard of sticks and stone may break your bones? I'm
> trying to make the connection between what people may say to you and
> how you perceive what they say, and eventually acting upon that. 

Kemper now:
Yes, I've heard the adage.  And it, too, is wrong.
Words are more powerful the sticks and stones.  Bones heal in 6 weaks,
words can stay with you for a lifetime.

I agree that it is the 'I' that can choose how to perceive words, but
the 'I' needs to be taught how.  That skill is not inate, it's a
learned behavior.
I would also encourage someone to respond the words of others, rather
than act or react.  Similarly, there's a not-so-subtle difference
between respond and act(react) but the difference is crucial.


> bdclark0423:
> In the law's eyes, in GOD's eyes, in your neighbor's eyes, and my 
> eyes, that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Kemper now:
I would also add, 'in your eyes'.


> bdclark0423:
> Be the better person, always! That's what Frank is saying.
> me too.

Kemper now:
No... Frank isn't even saying be /a/ better person.  
S/He is warning 'you' that 'your' destiny is in 'your' control and
that it is based off 'your' thoughts.

I'm saying that too!  :)

Kemper




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Mar 23 21:40:06 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:40:06 -0000
Subject: JK Rowling and therapy
In-Reply-To: <fs61m7+t44b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs6inm+6002@eGroups.com>

 
> montims:
> resuscitating the above thread to eat humble pie, as I just read the 
> BBC news article saying that JKR had suicidal thoughts when her 
> first marriage finished, and only her daughter and the counselling 
> she received put an end to her thoughts of suicide.  She recommends 
> counselling for others in that situation.  
snip

Potioncat:
I hope this doesn't sound flipant, but this sort of explains the Merope 
and Tonks story lines. 




From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 24 02:17:47 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:17:47 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fs6b71+9vhs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs730b+fags@eGroups.com>

bdclark0423:
I think I still need to clarify, since I don't think you truly 
understand what I'm trying to say.  Words are just that, words.  We 
as humans give them meaning.  If words stay with you for a lifetime, 
than you are giving those words the power to do so.  Someone we're 
both familiar with reminds us of this power:  `The fear of a name, 
only increases the thing for itself'

Say while I'm in traffic, John calls me a stupid fool while he is 
cutting me off.  He also calls his son a stupid fool.  I'm not going 
to give much meaning to what John said to me, while his son may 
carry that around for life.  

BUT, they're still the same words and it's our actions of giving 
them weight is what matters.  The power is mine to control destiny 
and that is based on my actions.  Therefore, I can choose to be a 
better person.   

So when I speak of the Golden Rule, I am only taking the context of 
what is written in Leviticus 19.   Which, by the way is originally 
written in Hebrew.  Instead of trying to translate word for what has 
been written, I choose to use the reference of `The Golden Rule' 
since most people understand what this really means.  This `rule' is 
present in all cultures and all languages, so I'm not considering 
the beauty of the individual here but of the world the same as you.  
I fear you have now put words into my mouth.  I'm actually referring 
to the concepts that are apparent in not only Leviticus 19, but in 
the many texts of so many religions:   Mahabharata, 5:1517, Samyutta 
NIkaya v. 353, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, Doctrine of the Mean 13.3, 
Mencius VII.A.4, Number 13 of Imam, Acarangasutra 5.101-2, Lord 
Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara, Sutrakritanga 1.11.33, Talmud, Shabbat 
31a, Tobit 4:15, Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga, Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299, 
Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, Shayast-na-Shayast 
13:29.

Basically, I think we're arguing the same point, it's just that it 
seems we're dicing golden delicious apples that are going to be put 
together with granny smith apples in a pie that just ends up being 
delicious.

bdclark0423





From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Mar 24 02:29:43 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:29:43 -0000
Subject: JK Rowling and therapy
In-Reply-To: <fs61m7+t44b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs73mn+bqhm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Janette" <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> montims:
> resuscitating the above thread to eat humble pie, as I just read the 
> BBC news article saying that JKR had suicidal thoughts when her 

Here is the BBC link:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7310534.stm>

> first marriage finished, and only her daughter and the counselling 
> she received put an end to her thoughts of suicide.  She recommends 
> counselling for others in that situation.  Of course, her 
> counselling was free, on the NHS, and linked to a specific 
> condition, rather than a luxury to spend excess money on, the idea 
> of which I had reacted to in such a kneejerk fashion, but I concede 
> I was wrong to reject the idea.
>





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 24 20:28:34 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:28:34 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fs730b+fags@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fs92ti+5g25@eGroups.com>

bdclark wrote:
> So when I speak of the Golden Rule, I am only taking the context of 
> what is written in Leviticus 19.   Which, by the way is originally 
> written in Hebrew.  Instead of trying to translate word for what has 
> been written, I choose to use the reference of `The Golden Rule' 
> since most people understand what this really means.  This `rule' is 
> present in all cultures and all languages, so I'm not considering 
> the beauty of the individual here but of the world the same as you.  
> I fear you have now put words into my mouth.  I'm actually referring 
> to the concepts that are apparent in not only Leviticus 19, but in 
> the many texts of so many religions:   Mahabharata, 5:1517, Samyutta 
> NIkaya v. 353, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, Doctrine of the Mean 13.3, 
> Mencius VII.A.4, Number 13 of Imam, Acarangasutra 5.101-2, Lord 
> Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara, Sutrakritanga 1.11.33, Talmud, Shabbat 
> 31a, Tobit 4:15, Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga, Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299, 
> Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, Shayast-na-Shayast 
> 13:29.
> 
> Basically, I think we're arguing the same point, it's just that it 
> seems we're dicing golden delicious apples that are going to be put 
> together with granny smith apples in a pie that just ends up being 
> delicious.

Carol responds:
Essentially, I agree with you. I'd like to add that it's much easier
to base your conduct on the way you wish to be treated than it is to
know or assume or guess how the other person wishes to be treated. For
example, if I wish to be treated with respect, I treat others with
respect. If I don't wish to be hit or shouted at or sworn at, then I
don't hit or shout or swear at others. (Okay, I occasionally fail with
those last two, but, nevertheless, they serve as an excellent guideline.)

Most people want others to be kind and courteous and respectful to
them, and they can safely assume that the other person, regardless of
who the other person is, want the same thing. And it doesn't matter
whether that person is your own child or the President of the United
States. Nor do age, sex, physical condition, race, or sexual
preference have any bearing on the matter.

Civility, courtesy, concern for the needs of others. That's what the
golden Rule means. And there's nothing wrong with using the person we
know best, our individual self, as a guide to determine what others
want. And if we're not sure, we can always ask.

Carol, who thinks that as a general guideline and a reminder to use
not-so-common courtesy, the Golden Rule is both memorable and
practical, not to mention that it's a time-honored tradition
frequently encountered in literature





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 06:08:59 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:08:59 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
In-Reply-To: <fs92ti+5g25@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsa4tr+bqae@eGroups.com>

> > bdclark wrote:
> > So when I speak of the Golden Rule, I am only taking the context of 
> > what is written in Leviticus 19.   Which, by the way is originally 
> > written in Hebrew.  Instead of trying to translate word for what has 
> > been written, I choose to use the reference of `The Golden Rule' 
> > since most people understand what this really means.  This `rule' is 
> > present in all cultures and all languages, so I'm not considering 
> > the beauty of the individual here but of the world the same as you.  

Kemper now:
I agree with all of this.


> > bdclark:
> > I fear you have now put words into my mouth.  I'm actually referring 
> > to the concepts that are apparent in not only Leviticus 19, but in 
> > the many texts of so many religions:  ...snip referrences most of
> > which can be found here:
http://www.schools.utah.gov/curr/fineart/core_curriculum/general/Golden_Rule.pdf

Kemper now:
Yes.  And none of your referrences that I found truly considered the
other, they revolbe around the you (or in practice, the I).  As I said
earlier, The Golden Rule has a good intention, but the implemenatation
of the Golden Rule is misguided.
>From the above link, if you scroll down to Sufism, they seem to have
it right... though it's not a quote from ancient text.


> > bdclark:
> > Basically, I think we're arguing the same point, it's just that it 
> > seems we're dicing golden delicious apples that are going to be put 
> > together with granny smith apples in a pie that just ends up being 
> > delicious.

Kemper now:
I think we're on the same side with regards to wanting compassion in
the world, what we differ from is the best way to bring the compassion.
But I'll take a slice of the pie if you're offering.


> Carol responds to bdclark:
> Essentially, I agree with you. I'd like to add that it's much easier
> to base your conduct on the way you wish to be treated than it is to
> know or assume or guess how the other person wishes to be treated. 

Kemper now:
It takes work to understand another, but if one's intent is to truly
show compassion toward another rather than feel good about helping,
then the work is benefitial.

> Carol:
> For example, if I wish to be treated with respect, I treat others with
> respect. If I don't wish to be hit or shouted at or sworn at, then I
> don't hit or shout or swear at others. (Okay, I occasionally fail with
> those last two, but, nevertheless, they serve as an excellent
guideline.)
> 
> Most people want others to be kind and courteous and respectful to
> them, and they can safely assume that the other person, regardless of
> who the other person is, want the same thing. And it doesn't matter
> whether that person is your own child or the President of the United
> States. Nor do age, sex, physical condition, race, or sexual
> preference have any bearing on the matter.

Kemper now:
Bringing up sexual preference reminds me of an incident.
A decade ago I was working with a group of youth involved in the
juvenile justice system in a very conservative (never blue) state. 
One of the youth came out that he was gay. A staff that frequently
followed this group attempted to 'save his soul'.  This staff never
used language that was hateful.  Rather, the staff was genuinely
concerned and encouraged the youth to read passages from the bible. 
This staff,  though obviously exhibiting poor boundaries, liked the
youth and wanted so bad for this youth to have an exalted afterlife.
But the youth was uncomfortable and came to me with concerns (I was
the group's leader).  S/He liked the staff but felt increased guilt
for his/her feelings.
The staff was putting the Golden Rule into effect.  It was very nice
but extremely unkind and inconsiderate.

I obviously agree with you and bdclark that people want kindness and
courtesy, but in order to do that effectively we have to consider what
that means and looks like for the person.


> Carol:
> Civility, courtesy, concern for the needs of others. That's what the
> golden Rule means. 

Kemper now:
That's what it may suppose to mean, but to help it actually mean that,
it could use a good editor! :)


> Carol:
> And there's nothing wrong with using the person we
> know best, our individual self, as a guide to determine what others
> want. And if we're not sure, we can always ask.

Kemper now:
I agree.


> Carol, who thinks that as a general guideline and a reminder to use
> not-so-common courtesy, the Golden Rule is both memorable and
> practical, not to mention that it's a time-honored tradition
> frequently encountered in literature

Kemper, who thinks tradition sometimes needs to be challenged




From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 15:54:01 2008
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (anita_hillin)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:54:01 -0000
Subject: French translation of HP
Message-ID: <fsb76p+6ej7@eGroups.com>

A friend of mine who is studying French in Aix right now while on
sabbatical from her job(I know, poor thing: paid leave to spend three
months in France) has decided to read HP in French to help her
studies.  Since she knows the story, she figures she won't get too lost.

I'm curious; how good is the French translation?  I don't speak a word
(well, I speak ballet French, but that doesn't count) so it could be
execrable and I'd bounce merrily along.  It occurs to me that a good
translation could be invaluable for someone who wants to be steeped in
the language, but a bad translation could do some damage!

I'm presuming that it's a good one, but I know you're out there who
are fluent in both French and English, so I'd be willing to pass along
your reviews.

Thanks!

akh, who is currently watching the Blackadder series on DVD, and
realizing how many of the players are connected to HP...




From mwood005 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 26 03:40:53 2008
From: mwood005 at comcast.net (melody_wood14)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:40:53 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
Message-ID: <fscgk5+oof8@eGroups.com>

melody
My son has a school project on England. We need help he has to make a 
traditional recipe for his class. I need one that is not very 
expensive and is easy to make. Thank you for your help.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 09:31:08 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:31:08 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fscgk5+oof8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>

> melody:
> My son has a school project on England. We need help he has to 
> make a traditional recipe for his class. I need one that is not 
> very expensive and is easy to make. Thank you for your help.

Goddlefrood:

There's a fair few inexpensive traditional English dishes. One such 
is toad in the hole:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/toadintheholewithroa_70008.
shtml

The gravy is optional.

Another would be Yorkshire pudding:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/yorkshirepudding_67385.shtm
l

Just two simple suggestions on this bitterly cold evening. (85 F), 
brrr




From YasminOaks at aol.com  Wed Mar 26 13:10:01 2008
From: YasminOaks at aol.com (YasminOaks at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:10:01 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] French translation of HP- Black Adder question
Message-ID: <c52.2f96e941.351ba529@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/25/2008 11:54:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
anita_hillin at yahoo.com writes:

akh,  who is currently watching the Blackadder series on DVD, and
realizing how  many of the players are connected to HP...





Hi. I used to love The Black Adder series. I am a huge fan of Rowan  
Atkinson. I haven't seen it in years though. I do have the series on video, but  I 
also have young children and don't want to watch it with them around. I don't  
think I have even watched any episodes since before HP, and never even knew  
there were any players connected to HP. Please tell me. That sounds so  
wonderful. I love having things I love tie in together.
 
Hugs,
Cathy



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 18:35:04 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:35:04 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fse50o+8kbu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...>
wrote:
>
> > melody:
> > My son has a school project on England. We need help he has to 
> > make a traditional recipe for his class. I need one that is not 
> > very expensive and is easy to make. Thank you for your help.
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> There's a fair few inexpensive traditional English dishes. One such 
> is toad in the hole:
> 
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/toadintheholewithroa_70008.shtml
> 
> The gravy is optional.
> 
> Another would be Yorkshire pudding:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/yorkshirepudding_67385.shtml
> 
> Just two simple suggestions on this bitterly cold evening. (85 F), 
> brrr
>

bboyminn:

I think it would be incredibly, maybe even hysterically, funny for a
kid to make 'Spotted Dick' which is a fruit filled desert usually
covered with custard. 

Here is a recipe that shows that it is merely a cake-like desert
filled with (spots) fruit like raisins. 

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/103210

Here are three recipes from the website Goddlefrood suggested -

Spotted dick and custard-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/spotteddickandcustar_87835.shtml

Spotted dick with banana -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/spotteddickwithbanan_87573.shtml

Spotted dick -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/spotteddick_78629.shtml

Google also turned up -

Pineapple Spotted Dick with Toffee Sauce-
http://coffeeworks.blogs.com/coffee_and_tea/2005/06/i_want_my_spott.html

Spotted Dick -
http://thefoody.com/pudding/spotteddick.html

Keep in mind that you can also get 'Heinz Spotted Dick' in a can, and
it is available in the USA through various on-line retailers of
British Foods.

Here is a link to a video -

How To Make Spotted Dick -
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-spotted-dick

I would try this once a home, before you inflict it on your son's
fellow classmates.

Have fun!

Steve/bboyminn




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Mar 26 19:30:28 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:30:28 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>
References: <fscgk5+oof8@eGroups.com> <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003801c88f77$d9642bc0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

| Goddlefrood:
| 
| There's a fair few inexpensive traditional English dishes. One such 
| is toad in the hole:
| 
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/toadintheholewithroa_70008.
| shtml
| 
| The gravy is optional.
| 
| Another would be Yorkshire pudding:
| 
| http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/yorkshirepudding_67385.shtm
| l
| 
| Just two simple suggestions on this bitterly cold evening. (85 F), 
| brrr

[Lee]:
85F???  That's toasty!  That's summer temps for our evenings. :-)

Those recipes sound nice, but methinks they would be a bit intense for a
kid's project.  Just my thinking, and not knowing the age of the lad in
question.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 19:39:20 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:39:20 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
Message-ID: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com>

In another thread asking for British recipes I stumbled across
a site with video recipes and suggested one for Spotted Dick
which I note conveniently does not require suet. 

However, upon browsing the other videos I discovered a recipe
for a "Full English Breakfast", once cooked you can add 
Ketchup or 'Brown Sauce'.

I haven't a clue what 'Brown Sauce' could be, anyone care to
enlighten me? Is this some variation of soy sauce, is it more
like American Steak Sauce? Inquiring minds want to know.

Full English Breakfast-
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-traditional-full-english-breakfast

Steve/bboyminn




From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Wed Mar 26 20:29:31 2008
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:29:31 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fse50o+8kbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsebnb+ul4c@eGroups.com>

You may want to browse through the Recipe section on The Foody website:
http://www.thefoody.com/
Perhaps Harry's favorite pudding, treacle tart? or maybe scones?





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 20:43:27 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:43:27 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fsebnb+ul4c@eGroups.com>
References: <fse50o+8kbu@eGroups.com> <fsebnb+ul4c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0803261343l2d040393t2d89ff5aa14122a6@mail.gmail.com>

Belinda:
> You may want to browse through the Recipe section on The Foody website:
> http://www.thefoody.com/
> Perhaps Harry's favorite pudding, treacle tart? or maybe scones?

Doesn't treacle tart require golden syrup, a product generally
unavailable state-side?  (Of course, the replacement of corn syrup can
always be made.)

Scones are a good, easy idea.  In the vein of HP, pumpkin pasties are
also easy and delicious - when I made some for the HP release, I used
a pate sucree recipe and Trader Joe's pumpkin butter, which is not
traditional but yield the same result quickly and easily.

Things like a spotted dick might be more traditional Brit food, but
scones and pasties and treacle tart may be easier, especially if we're
talking about someone in elementary or middle school (or someone who
may not have baking/cooking inclinations).

~Ali



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 21:15:42 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:15:42 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fse50o+8kbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseedu+fhuo@eGroups.com>

bboyminn:
> 
> I think it would be incredibly, maybe even hysterically, funny for a
kid to make 'Spotted Dick' which is a fruit filled desert usually
covered with custard. 
> 
> Here is a recipe that shows that it is merely a cake-like desert
filled with (spots) fruit like raisins. <snip>

Carol responds:

Well, yes, but I can just imagine the reaction of a teacher unfamiliar
with this particular dessert (or the HP books). And, of course, the
students would have to be carefully prepared for the name or
pandemonium might result. A plausible etymology (the "puddink" one
will do) would be essential, IMO. But, then, I don't have what one of
your sites referred to as a first-grade-potty-mouth sense of humor.

Another problem, aside from the fairly lengthy cooking and preparation
time: I'm sure that the kids could find out what "caster sugar" is
(I've forgotten--is it the same as powdered sugar?) but where are
American students going to find suet, "vegetable suet" or otherwise?
In this country, we generally use shortening, which is not the same
thing--and can't be cut into squares, as I believe one of the recipes
requires.) 

Just as Americans in general are more concerned than Europeans with
body hair, dentistry, and modern plumbing, it seems that we're also
more cholesterol-conscious. My mother used to use bacon grease for
frying potatoes and pancakes (tasted delicious, BTW), but once she
became concerned about clogged arteries and other consequences of
eating animal fat, she stopped using it. (The only thing I've ever
used animal fat for is gravy.)

bboy:
> Keep in mind that you can also get 'Heinz Spotted Dick' in a can,
and it is available in the USA through various on-line retailers of
British Foods.
<snip>

Carol:
That sounds ghastly! And, besides, it would defeat the purpose of the
assignment, which is to find British recipes ("receipts" to the
British, IIRC) that the kids can prepare themselves. 

Carol, imagining a bunch of fourth-graders having tea and crumpets
followed by Yorkshire pudding and wondering whether they're supposed
to prepare the recipes at home or bring them to school for a potluck




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 21:18:04 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:18:04 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseeic+lg3k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> In another thread asking for British recipes I stumbled across
> a site with video recipes and suggested one for Spotted Dick
> which I note conveniently does not require suet. 
> 
> However, upon browsing the other videos I discovered a recipe
> for a "Full English Breakfast", once cooked you can add 
> Ketchup or 'Brown Sauce'.
> 
> I haven't a clue what 'Brown Sauce' could be, anyone care to
> enlighten me? Is this some variation of soy sauce, is it more
> like American Steak Sauce? Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Full English Breakfast-
> http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-a-traditional-full-english-breakfast
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Geoff:
That is one interpretation of a full breakfast but there are many variants. I might say that 
many of us here in the UK don't have a cooked breakfast. I, for instance, generally have 
cereal followed by toast and coffee, sometimes with a starter such as melon.

Many eating places like to advertise an All-Day Breakfast (my wife is very partial to these) 
but if you go to  many of them, they will offer sausages, bacon, beans and eggs. you are 
more likely to get hash browns offered than mushrooms; pity, 'cos I'm a hobbit!

As an aside, in our family, we are more likely to have sausages and bacon and mushrooms 
as a main meal later in the day with potatoes and garden peas or sweetcorn. Also, we 
always cook the bacon and sausages on the grill to make them less greasy.

Brown sauce. Well, it's not soy sauce. I suppose if you are familiar with the flavour of 
chutney, its similar but has the consistency of a thick sauce. One of the best known is HP 
sauce. I never use the stuff and avoid ketchup but I'm unique in my family for doing that! 
Again, I loathe baked beans. Dad is just odd.
:-)






From bhobbs36 at verizon.net  Wed Mar 26 21:25:46 2008
From: bhobbs36 at verizon.net (Belinda)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:25:46 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0803261343l2d040393t2d89ff5aa14122a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsef0q+jhi1@eGroups.com>

Ali you said a lot of what I was thinking when I posted that. As a 
mom, I'd want something easy... too cook, travel, and serve. Plus 
something the other kids aren't going to be afraid to try (or spit out 
when they do).
As for golden syrup, I actually have a can on my counter! Some 
supermarkets *do* carry Lyle's in the little green can. Look for it 
next to the molasses and corn syrup.

"Carol, imagining a bunch of fourth-graders having tea and crumpets" 
Hey! why not?! That'd be the easy route I'd take. LOL!







From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 21:26:00 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:26:00 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsef18+hsfa@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:
<snip>
> However, upon browsing the other videos I discovered a recipe for a
"Full English Breakfast", once cooked you can add Ketchup or 'Brown
Sauce'.
> 
> I haven't a clue what 'Brown Sauce' could be, anyone care to
enlighten me? Is this some variation of soy sauce, is it more like
American Steak Sauce? Inquiring minds want to know. <snip>

Carol:
I can't answer your question about brown sauce, but I have one of my
own. Is this what aunt Marge means by "just a fry-up for me of an
evening," meaning that she has breakfast for dinner (supper)?

And splattering hot oil on the eggs so that the yolk is cooked
properly? Why not just flip them and serve them over easy. (My
ex-husband used to call it "kissing the skillet," meaning that the
eggs barely touch the skillet after being turned over before being
scooped up with the spatula and put on the plate. I like the eggs over
medium, myself--cooked white, runny yolk.)

Carol, noting that English bacon doesn't resemble American bacon,
which is cut in strips (or Canadian bacon, which is like small, round
slices of ham)





From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 21:26:44 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:26:44 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsef2k+6554@eGroups.com>

> Steve/bboyminn:

> I haven't a clue what 'Brown Sauce' could be, anyone care to
> enlighten me? Is this some variation of soy sauce, is it more
> like American Steak Sauce? Inquiring minds want to know.

Goddlefrood:

Brown sauce is unlike any other sauce. It has a taste very much 
its own and the most famous of them is HP sauce (for Houses of 
Parliament). Here is a site on its history:

http://www.brownsauce.org/more-lashings-of-sauce/history-of-brown-
sauce/

For many in the UK brown sauce is preferred to tomato sauce, 
especially with a bacon butty - another easy recipe, you will 
need:

2 slices of bread spread with butter and brown sauce

1 or 2 slices of bacon

This is the perfect morning after food, but probably not 
something to recommennd for a school project.

As to the taste of brown sauce, it is tangy and delicious 
and based on malt  vinegar. Worth hunting down. Because it 
is available in Fiji (although rarely), I suspect it could 
be found in the States.

Here is a recipe I found:

Ingredients

10 tomatoes, chopped 
1 cup brown sugar 
1 onion, chopped 
1 lemon, sliced 
1/4 cup white vinegar 
1 tablespoon salt 
1 tablespoon allspice 
1 teaspoon pepper 
1 tablespoon Worcestershire Sauce 
1/4 teaspoon hot sauce (Tabasco) 
Preparation:

Combine all ingredients in a dutch oven. 
Bring to a boil and lower heat. 
Cook uncovered for an hour - stirring occasionally. 
Strain through a food mill and bottle in hot, sterilized jars. 
Suitable for most meat dishes
Preparation: - 15 minutes
Cooking: - 1 hour 15 minutes
Makes: - 4 Cups

That from the same site noted above.

Enjoy!




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 21:36:20 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:36:20 -0000
Subject: help needed for school project
In-Reply-To: <fseedu+fhuo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsefkk+khoq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> bboyminn:
> > 
> > I think it would be incredibly, maybe even hysterically, funny for a
> kid to make 'Spotted Dick' which is a fruit filled desert usually
> covered with custard. 
> > 
> > Here is a recipe that shows that it is merely a cake-like desert
> filled with (spots) fruit like raisins. <snip>
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Well, yes, but I can just imagine the reaction of a teacher unfamiliar
> with this particular dessert (or the HP books). And, of course, the
> students would have to be carefully prepared for the name or
> pandemonium might result. A plausible etymology (the "puddink" one
> will do) would be essential, IMO. But, then, I don't have what one of
> your sites referred to as a first-grade-potty-mouth sense of humor.
> 
> Another problem, aside from the fairly lengthy cooking and preparation
> time: I'm sure that the kids could find out what "caster sugar" is
> (I've forgotten--is it the same as powdered sugar?) but where are
> American students going to find suet, "vegetable suet" or otherwise?
> In this country, we generally use shortening, which is not the same
> thing--and can't be cut into squares, as I believe one of the recipes
> requires.) 

Geoff:
I would offer up the following:

Ingredients for Spotted Dick

    100g / 4oz Self Raising Flour
    A pinch of Salt
    75g / 3oz Shredded Suet
    75g / 3oz Fresh Breadcrumbs
    50g / 2oz Caster Sugar
    175g / 6oz Currants
    Grated rind of 1 Lemon
    Approx. 5 tbsp Milk

How to make Spotted Dick
    * Place all the dry ingredients in a large mixing bowl and mix 
        thoroughly. Make a well in the centre of the mixture then
        gradually add the milk to form a soft dough.
    * Knead lightly until smooth.
    * Turn onto a floured surface and roll out to an oblong about 
        22 x 28cm or 9 x 11
    * Bring a large pan of water to the boil.
    * Make a pleat in a large sheet of greaseproof paper or a clean 
       tea towel, to allow for expansion, wrap the pudding loosely, 
       tying each end with string (like an Xmas cracker).
    * Steam or boil for 2 hours.
    * Serve your Spotted Dick hot with custard

Notice that it is mainly made with currants and I would not describe 
it as a "fruit-filled dessert" but as a suet pudding containing currants 
(lots of them - yummy!).

In the UK, there are three grades of white sugar: granulated, caster 
and icing. The first is for general use while the second is a fine grade 
for cooking purposes - and also used with fruit such as strawberries 
and the last is the finest grade.
 
> bboy:
> > Keep in mind that you can also get 'Heinz Spotted Dick' in a can,
> and it is available in the USA through various on-line retailers of
> British Foods.
> <snip>
> 
> Carol:
> That sounds ghastly! And, besides, it would defeat the purpose of the
> assignment, which is to find British recipes ("receipts" to the
> British, IIRC) that the kids can prepare themselves. 
> 
> Carol, imagining a bunch of fourth-graders having tea and crumpets
> followed by Yorkshire pudding and wondering whether they're supposed
> to prepare the recipes at home or bring them to school for a potluck

Geoff:
Nope, it's recipes to us. Receipts are things you are given with your 
purchases to prove you bought them.

The thought of tea and crumpets followed by Yorkshire pudding is gross. 
The correct way to serve the latter is at the beginning of the meal with 
gravy as a precursor to the main course. I speak as the child of a 
Yorkshireman with several Yorkshire relatives. Of course, most restaurants 
nowadays serve it up with the roast beef and the vegetables.

Nope, I think your fourth-graders should enjoy a cream tea - a delicacy 
throughout the West Country in particular.






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 21:44:05 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:44:05 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsef2k+6554@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseg35+71ai@eGroups.com>

Goddlefrood wrote:
> 
> Brown sauce is unlike any other sauce. It has a taste very much its
own and the most famous of them is HP sauce (for Houses of 
Parliament). <snip>

> For many in the UK brown sauce is preferred to tomato sauce, 
especially with a bacon butty - another easy recipe, you will need:
> 
> 2 slices of bread spread with butter and brown sauce
> 
> 1 or 2 slices of bacon
> 
> This is the perfect morning after food, but probably not something
to recommennd for a school project.

Carol:
I think that "bacon butty" would appeal to the same childish sense of
humor that finds "spotted dick" funny, which a teacher might or might
not consider a problem. Any ideas regarding the etymology? (As for
suitability as a class project, I think you're right that it isn't. It
sounds about as difficult as toast and jam, meaning that it's too easy.

Goddlefrood: 
> As to the taste of brown sauce, it is tangy and delicious and based
on malt vinegar. <snip recipe>

> Combine all ingredients in a dutch oven. 

Carol:
I don't know anyone who has a Dutch oven, and since it's cooked
uncovered, I don't think that a crock pot would work. Would a heavy
aluminum (American spelling!) sauce pan work? (I don't know anyone who
has a "food mill," either. A blender, maybe.

Carol, wondering whether Goddlefrood has tried her recipe for American
biscuits yet (and you thought that I'd forgotten!)





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 22:00:43 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:00:43 -0000
Subject: help needed for school project
In-Reply-To: <fsefkk+khoq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseh2b+4r87@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
<snip>
> > Another problem, aside from the fairly lengthy cooking and
preparation time: I'm sure that the kids could find out what "caster
sugar" is (I've forgotten--is it the same as powdered sugar?) but
where are American students going to find suet, "vegetable suet" or
otherwise? In this country, we generally use shortening, which is not
the same thing--and can't be cut into squares, as I believe one of the
recipes  requires.) 
> 
> Geoff:
> I would offer up the following:
> 
> Ingredients for Spotted Dick
> 
>     100g / 4oz Self Raising Flour <snip>

Carol:
In the U.S., we say "self-rising." just the opposite of "pay raise"
(U.S.) and "pay rise" (Britain). I wonder why? Never mind.
Unanswerable question, I'm sure.


>     A pinch of Salt
>     75g / 3oz Shredded Suet
>     75g / 3oz Fresh Breadcrumbs
>     50g / 2oz Caster Sugar
>     175g / 6oz Currants
>     Grated rind of 1 Lemon
>     Approx. 5 tbsp Milk <snip>

> In the UK, there are three grades of white sugar: granulated, caster 
> and icing. The first is for general use while the second is a fine
grade for cooking purposes - and also used with fruit such as
strawberries and the last is the finest grade.

Carol:
But in the U.S. (not counting brown sugar, sugar in the raw, or sugar
cubes for coffee and tea) we have granulated sugar and powdered
sugar--nothing in between. I guess the kids would have to use powdered
sugar.

And you haven't answered the question of what to do about suet
(shudder!). Would vegetable shortening work even though it's the
consistency of tub margarine and 

Carol earlier:
>And, besides, it would defeat the purpose of the assignment, which is
to find British recipes ("receipts" to the British, IIRC) that the
kids can prepare themselves. 

> Geoff:
> Nope, it's recipes to us. Receipts are things you are given with
your purchases to prove you bought them.

Carol:
Really? I thought that "cookery books" (cookbooks to us) were filled
with "receipts." (Merriam-Webster actually gives "recipe" as the first
definition for "receipt." Maybe I'm thinking of the nineteenth
century. I know for a fact that in Dickens's time (and Shelley's,
slightly earlier), the term "receipt" for what we would call a recipe
was in common use in England. I've read a lot of letters written by
Englishmen and -women of that period!

Carol, still somewhat revolted by the idea of suet and wondering if it
can be found in the U.S.





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 22:02:09 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:02:09 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fseg35+71ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseh51+c1cc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Carol:
> I think that "bacon butty" would appeal to the same childish sense of
> humor that finds "spotted dick" funny, which a teacher might or might
> not consider a problem. Any ideas regarding the etymology? (As for
> suitability as a class project, I think you're right that it isn't. It
> sounds about as difficult as toast and jam, meaning that it's too easy.

Geoff:
Well, call it a bacon sandwich then for the benefit of those who have had 
a sheltered upbringing - although I cannot see why bacon butty is funny
though I have chuckled over "spotted dick", especially in my teenage years....

I would personally delete the brown sauce however but that's individual taste.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 23:45:14 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:45:14 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fseg35+71ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsen6a+r85p@eGroups.com>

> Carol:
> I think that "bacon butty" would appeal to the same childish 
> sense of humor that finds "spotted dick" funny, which a teacher 
> might or might not consider a problem. Any ideas regarding the 
> etymology? 

Goddlefrood:

It's just a slang term, not sure about the etymology. There are 
also baps, sarnies and many more, all regional variations on the 
humble sandwich.

> Carol:
> I don't know anyone who has a Dutch oven, 

Goddlefrood:

Nor do I as it happens, I just copied that from the brown 
Sauce site referred to earlier. A covered saucepan would 
probably suffice - it is a sauce after all.

> Carol, wondering whether Goddlefrood has tried her recipe for 
> American biscuits yet (and you thought that I'd forgotten!)

Goddlefrood:

Oh no, I thought you would remember. Unfortunately I haven't had 
a chance to do it. There is a long weekend on the near horizon so 
I may try it then. I haven't lost the recipe, btw.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 26 23:55:30 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:55:30 -0000
Subject: Etymology of butty (Was Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**)
In-Reply-To: <fseg35+71ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsenpi+6n54@eGroups.com>

> Carol:
> "bacon butty"

> Any ideas regarding the etymology?

Goddlefrood:

I was tempted to look it up. It's said to be a contraction of 
buttered sandwich, which makes sense. See:

http://www.allwords.com/word-butty.html




From jnferr at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 11:42:48 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:42:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: help nedded for school project
In-Reply-To: <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>
References: <fscgk5+oof8@eGroups.com> <fsd54s+jq3o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803260442w26ffd816ic17994f3a34734da@mail.gmail.com>

> > melody:
> > My son has a school project on England. We need help he has to
> > make a traditional recipe for his class. I need one that is not
> > very expensive and is easy to make. Thank you for your help.
>
> Goddlefrood:
>
> There's a fair few inexpensive traditional English dishes. One such
> is toad in the hole:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/toadintheholewithroa_70008.
> shtml
>
> The gravy is optional.
>
> Another would be Yorkshire pudding:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/yorkshirepudding_67385.shtm
> l


montims:
or if he would prefer a sweet treat, a trifle -
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/food/puddings.htm
but don't use the recipe it suggests in the link... Try
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/English-Trifle-to-Die-For/Detail.aspx 
or similar. The beauty of this is that you can personalize it, 
and have pretty sprinkles and things... Basically, ladyfingers, 
or cut up pound cake, spread with jam and moistened by fresh 
fruit or fruit juice, layered with whipped cream and custard 
(or instant pudding mix if you must), finished with cream 
and sprinkles. Looks impressive, tastes great, and is easy...



From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 01:03:49 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:03:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: help needed for school project
In-Reply-To: <fseh2b+4r87@eGroups.com>
References: <fsefkk+khoq@eGroups.com> <fseh2b+4r87@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0803261803o4e527655te466d40c22428a1a@mail.gmail.com>

Carol:
>  But in the U.S. (not counting brown sugar, sugar in the raw, or sugar
>  cubes for coffee and tea) we have granulated sugar and powdered
>  sugar--nothing in between. I guess the kids would have to use powdered
>  sugar.

Ali:
Actually, there is also fine and superfine sugar - superfine being
easier to find than fine, but really, a few whiz in the food processor
would give you fine sugar so I don't quite know why anyone buys the
stuff (other than folks like pastry chefs).  Superfine, if I remember
correctly and I might well not, is essentially powdered sugar without
the anti-caking agent (usually corn starch).


Carol:
>  And you haven't answered the question of what to do about suet
>  (shudder!). Would vegetable shortening work even though it's the
>  consistency of tub margarine and

Ali:
Suet can be found in specialty stores or, on rare occasions, the local
farmer's market.  And then there's always the great equalizer, the
Internet (or, as according to my company styles manual, internet).
Besides, most recipes calling for suet are calling for the packaged
stuff, which is a combo of dehydrated fat and flour, so you would
really also want to modify usage as according to recipe.  (For
example, for things like popovers and other savoury bread-ish type
things, I use bacon fat instead.)  And one last note, you can totally
find spotted dick recipes not using suet.

That's all I've got.  I'm not even that well-versed in Brit food, but
I kind of sound like it, don't I? :)

~Ali



From kking0731 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 01:45:44 2008
From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:45:44 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsen6a+r85p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fseu88+tg44@eGroups.com>

snipped:

> > Carol:
> > I don't know anyone who has a Dutch oven, 
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> Nor do I as it happens, I just copied that from the brown 
> Sauce site referred to earlier. A covered saucepan would 
> probably suffice - it is a sauce after all.


Snow:

I have a Dutch oven my mom gave me, at least that is what she always 
called it. It is a cast iron, eight quart pot with a cast iron lid. 

Cast iron is best when it is seasoned in the oven every so often with 
bacon fat. What is best about cooking in this is that you can seer 
the meat on top of the stove put the lid on and place it directly 
into the oven to finish. 

Gravy or sauces are enhanced in flavor by the seasoning process to 
the pot and the Dutch oven cooks more evenly (than an ordinary sauce 
pan) which thickens the gravy with limited additives to do so. 

Snow




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Mar 27 03:50:15 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:50:15 -0000
Subject: What the !?K?
Message-ID: <fsf5hn+vb9p@eGroups.com>

I just replied to a post by Alla over at the main site. Her post looked 
fine. I copied it and did all my writing in word. Everything looked 
fine. Them I copied it all and pasted back in yahoo. Still looked good. 
I sent it. Now the part that was originally Alla's has all sorts of odd 
marks where punctuation is supposed to be. See post 182284 for full 
visual display.

I know this sort of thing has been brought up here before. At that time 
I actually went into the nether regions of my program and chose...and 
chose....whatever it was that you choose to keep you from getting ood 
marks.

I'm just wondering...what happened and how do I avoid it in the future?

Potioncat, who ought to bed, but isn't.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Mar 27 04:02:09 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:02:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] What the !?K?
In-Reply-To: <fsf5hn+vb9p@eGroups.com>
References: <fsf5hn+vb9p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c88fbf$54a0f7e0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

I don't know if this is of much help, but I go into tools and formatting and
uncheck *everything*!  I just don't want Word to change any of my formatting
including punctuations...like turning my apostrophe into one of those "smart
quote" things, etc.  That'll cut down on any unwarranted and undesirable
characters.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 05:47:26 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:47:26 -0000
Subject: Clean Language Again--Interesting Site
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor"
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
.schools.utah.gov/curr/fineart/core_curriculum/general/Golden_Rule.pdf
>
> Kemper now:

> <snip>
>  Golden Rule has a good intention, but the implemenatation
> of the Golden Rule is misguided.
>

> <snip>
> But I'll take a slice of the pie if you're offering.
>

> <snip>
> Kemper, who thinks tradition sometimes needs to be challenged
>


bdclark:

agree, traditionalists and literalists should be met with the challenge
that we should never be expected to be mindless automatons.

So, Yes, if you're a literalist/traditionalist, this could be
misguiding, but I do feel that the intention should revolve around that
of the individual (the `I', if you will) since in reality, the
only actions you can control are your own, and that it should NOT be
yourself that is the ultimate consideration.  Furthermore, I feel that
you should teach/express your ideals to others in a way that they may
take that and make it their own.

And of course, I'm offering a piece (a peace).  However, I would
like to think we're baking this together J

You've made mention a story and how misuse of good intentions were
involved, and it's total shame that this still happens today.  Along
the same lines, there's another discussion very similar, and funny
enough, I mention not only the Golden Rule, but the entire passage where
this is pertinent in many beliefs today (the whole idea that tradition
needs to be challenged).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35697
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35697>

bdclark0423



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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 07:15:53 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:15:53 -0000
Subject: help nedded for school project -Suet
In-Reply-To: <fse50o+8kbu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsfhj9+u9ck@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > melody:
> > > My son has a school project on England. We need help he has to 
> > > make a traditional recipe for his class. I need one that is not 
> > > very expensive and is easy to make. Thank you for your help.
> > 
> > 
> bboyminn:
> 
> I think it would be incredibly, maybe even hysterically, funny
> for a kid to make 'Spotted Dick' which is a fruit filled desert
> usually covered with custard. 
> 
>  ...
> 
> Here is a link to a video -
> 
> How To Make Spotted Dick -
> http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-make-spotted-dick
> 
> I would try this once a home, before you inflict it on your 
> son's fellow classmates.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

bboyminn:

I wanted to point out that this Video Recipe DOES NOT use SUET.

Also, keep in mind that you can get vegetable suet though I 
don't know where you would get it. 

The English Trifle suggested by others might also be a good
idea. You could probably buy the sponge cake, so there would
be limited baking involved, and it does look delicious.

You didn't mention how old your son is, so I'm not sure how
funny he would find 'Spotted Dick', but I think most kids 
in general would. 

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 07:20:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:20:59 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsef2k+6554@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsfhsr+4ckr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...>
wrote:
>
> > Steve/bboyminn:
> 
> > I haven't a clue what 'Brown Sauce' could be, ... is it 
> > more like American Steak Sauce? Inquiring minds want to 
> > know.
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> Brown sauce is unlike any other sauce. It has a taste very much 
> its own and the most famous of them is HP sauce ...
> 
> Here is a recipe I found:
> 
> Ingredients
> 
> 10 tomatoes, chopped 
> 1 cup brown sugar 
> 1 onion, chopped 
> 1 lemon, sliced 
> 1/4 cup white vinegar 
> 1 tablespoon salt 
> 1 tablespoon allspice 
> 1 teaspoon pepper 
> 1 tablespoon Worcestershire Sauce 
> 1/4 teaspoon hot sauce (Tabasco) 
> Preparation:
> 
> ...
> 
> That from the same site noted above.
> 
> Enjoy!
>


bboyminn:

With the tomato, vinegar, and Worceestershire Sauce, that sound
very much like American Steak Sauce. I prefer the A-1 Sauce,
but my mother prefer Heinz 57. 

Frequently, good steak sauce is at the heart of good homemade
Barbeque sauces. 

Thank for the info.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 07:33:59 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:33:59 -0000
Subject: What the !?K?
In-Reply-To: <fsf5hn+vb9p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsfil7+51hs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...>
wrote:
>
> I just replied to a post by Alla over at the main site. Her 
> post looked fine. ... Now the part that was originally Alla's
> has all sorts of odd marks where punctuation is supposed to 
> be. See post 182284 for full visual display.
> 
> ...

bboyminn:

I think in the past it has been an issue of Character Encoding
which can be set by going to the View menu of your browser. 

Normally Character Encoding is set to some variation of 'Western'
however, sometime people have there computers set to 'Unicode'. 

In your case however, it looks like ellipsis have been converted
from three consecutive dots (periods ...) to the actual single
character ellipsis. 

As suggested by others, this is a setting you can control in
Word. I have my ellipsis conversion shut off, and also, as
suggested, have my auto left/right quotation (single and
double) shut off. 

Steve/bboyminn




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 27 07:41:21 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:41:21 -0000
Subject: Questionable names (was help needed for school project)
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Message-ID: <fsfj31+53j7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:

bboyminn:
 
> You didn't mention how old your son is, so I'm not sure how
> funny he would find 'Spotted Dick', but I think most kids 
> in general would. 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Geoff:
Just to change the subject completely, I don't know 
whether I ought to post this because it will probably 
irreparably damage my serious, stiff upper lip, squeaky
clean Brit image (assuming that such a thing exists!) 
but another source of hilarity is in the Geography 
Department. the highest point in the county of 
Cornwall is a hill called Brown Willy just South-west 
of Camelford.

I say no more. No sniggering in the back row please.
:-)






From alick_leslie at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 27 08:35:58 2008
From: alick_leslie at yahoo.co.uk (alick_leslie)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:35:58 -0000
Subject: What the !?K?
In-Reply-To: <fsfil7+51hs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsfm9e+32u5@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just replied to a post by Alla over at the main site. Her 
> > post looked fine. ... Now the part that was originally Alla's
> > has all sorts of odd marks where punctuation is supposed to 
> > be. See post 182284 for full visual display.
> > 
> > ...
> 
> bboyminn:

When you copy and paste, try Edit > paste special then paste as 
unformatted text into Word. 

Alick




From jnferr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 12:17:36 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:17:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsfhsr+4ckr@eGroups.com>
References: <fsef2k+6554@eGroups.com> <fsfhsr+4ckr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803270517ube4c21ayeac602b67a56b6f@mail.gmail.com>

>
> bboyminn:
>
> With the tomato, vinegar, and Worceestershire Sauce, that sound
> very much like American Steak Sauce. I prefer the A-1 Sauce,
> but my mother prefer Heinz 57.
>
> Frequently, good steak sauce is at the heart of good homemade
> Barbeque sauces.
>
> Thank for the info.
>
> Steve/bboyminn


montims:
Just to chime in, I preciously hoard my dwindling stack of HP sauce (people
bring it to me when they visit, and I just found it here in Minneapolis, at
great expense, Steve - at Irish on Grand...) which I love on a fryup (which,
Carol, is just a plate of fried food - whatever is available - bacon, eggs,
sausage, mushroom, tomato, bread, liver...  anything you have - it's just a
fast and easy way of cooking things - bung it all in the pan with a lot of
grease...), but I don't like A -1 sauce, which is my husband's choice.  The
flavour of HP is much richer and smoother, despite the vinegar and
Worcester, and the sauce itself is much thicker - like ketchup, you
frequently have to do the banging thing to get it out the bottle, unless
it's the plastic, squeezy kind.

Anyway...


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From mwood005 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 27 12:31:28 2008
From: mwood005 at comcast.net (melody_wood14)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:31:28 -0000
Subject: Questionable names (was help needed for school project)
In-Reply-To: <fsfj31+53j7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsg430+apja@eGroups.com>

-melody

 Chris is in grade 6 and 12 years old. I like the idea of spotted 
dick but do you think other boys in his class might pick on him for 
it. Even thought he is in the gifted and talented program in school 
he has had a problem with bullies this year. It has been bad enough 
that I've had to go and talk to his teachers and remind them that the 
school has a no bulling rule. In fact he came home last night course 
selction papers for next year and he didn't sight up for any "GT" 
classes. I'm very upset about this but I cannot make him take the 
classes he has the right to drop out of the program at any time but I 
don't like it. That right was made so that if the work is to had a 
student could get out of the program. Not for kids that want out 
because of other kids in the program. I'm going to the school tonight 
to see if they can help me change his mind. Sorry about the rant but 
I had to tell someone and he doen't want to listen.

-- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> 
> bboyminn:
>  
> > You didn't mention how old your son is, so I'm not sure how
> > funny he would find 'Spotted Dick', but I think most kids 
> > in general would. 
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn
> 
> Geoff:
> Just to change the subject completely, I don't know 
> whether I ought to post this because it will probably 
> irreparably damage my serious, stiff upper lip, squeaky
> clean Brit image (assuming that such a thing exists!) 
> but another source of hilarity is in the Geography 
> Department. the highest point in the county of 
> Cornwall is a hill called Brown Willy just South-west 
> of Camelford.
> 
> I say no more. No sniggering in the back row please.
> :-)
>





From jnferr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 13:04:41 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:04:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsef18+hsfa@eGroups.com>
References: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com> <fsef18+hsfa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Carol:
> I can't answer your question about brown sauce, but I have one of my
> own. Is this what aunt Marge means by "just a fry-up for me of an
> evening," meaning that she has breakfast for dinner (supper)?
>
> And splattering hot oil on the eggs so that the yolk is cooked
> properly? Why not just flip them and serve them over easy. (My
> ex-husband used to call it "kissing the skillet," meaning that the
> eggs barely touch the skillet after being turned over before being
> scooped up with the spatula and put on the plate. I like the eggs over
> medium, myself--cooked white, runny yolk.)
>
> Carol, noting that English bacon doesn't resemble American bacon,
> which is cut in strips (or Canadian bacon, which is like small, round
> slices of ham)


montims:

I saw a tv program "how it's made", recently, and it showed how American
bacon was made - by taking strips of pork belly, removing the skin, then
slicing thinly the meat that was left, after curing it and flavouring it,
etc.  That was when I understood the difference between British and American
bacon - British (and Danish) bacon is usually cut from the joint like little
steaks.  See here for the parts of the pig various rashers come from -
http://www.dbmc.co.uk/bacon_facts/cuts_cures_index.asp . I personally love
the rind (the skin on the rasher, that goes chewy and crispy when cooked),
but my mother feeds that to the birds outside, and a lot of people buy the
bacon without a rind on it.  I prefer back bacon, but others prefer
streaky...  OK - I just found another site -
http://www.kipaddotta.com/bacon.html - so I'll stop talking about bacon.

As to fried eggs, I had never known anyone, in England, Italy, or Germany,
turn frying eggs over.  When I came to the States I was totally dumbfounded
to be asked how I wanted my fried eggs (uh - fried?)...  I have learned now,
but still do them "my" way at home...  By the way, another shock to my
system was discovering that Americans scramble eggs in a frying pan - we do
it in a saucepan.  I find American scrambled eggs much drier in texture -
like chopped up omelette, whereas I prefer the creamier texture of eggs
scrambled in a saucepan, but as ever it's what you've grown up with, and
what you're used to...

I have just wasted an awful lot of time on google searching for the
derivation of butty, but have really just found talk of chip butties or
bacon butties.  Butty means sandwich, though I don't know why...

Flour - maybe it's called self-raising rather than self-rising because it is
not the flour itself that rises, but the product the flour is an ingredient
of...  Does that make sense?  It raises up the cake - it doesn't rise
itself...

And finally - sugar.  Granulated sugar in England has larger crystals than
caster sugar, (used for cooking usually), which again has larger crystals
than icing sugar.  What is called granulated sugar in America has the same
texture as British caster sugar. Maybe the brown sugar you sometimes find in
packets in cafes is the same size as British white granulated sugar, but not
the stuff you find in the baking aisles - that's too fine.


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From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 13:38:53 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:38:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>
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	 <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>
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montims:
> As to fried eggs, I had never known anyone, in England, Italy, or Germany,
> turn frying eggs over. When I came to the States I was totally dumbfounded
> to be asked how I wanted my fried eggs (uh - fried?)... I have learned now,
> but still do them "my" way at home... By the way, another shock to my
> system was discovering that Americans scramble eggs in a frying pan - we do
> it in a saucepan. I find American scrambled eggs much drier in texture -
> like chopped up omelette, whereas I prefer the creamier texture of eggs
> scrambled in a saucepan, but as ever it's what you've grown up with, and
> what you're used to...

It is a little weird to have so many ways to have your fried eggs
(coming from a person who didn't grow up with that herself), but you
can get sunny side up eggs at diners/restaurants/whatever - that's why
they ask you how you like your eggs.  A little anecdote: once when I
was little, I was told to make the fried eggs for dinner.  Not knowing
what to do, I flipped them as I've seen on TV, not thinking how the
eggs I ate never looked flipped.  Everyone at the table was a little
confused as to why the eggs were so very cooked, and the decision was
silently made that I wouldn't be allowed to do the fried eggs again -
I have long since figured out the problem but am still not making the
fried eggs when I go home.

As for the scrambled eggs, I don't know that I'd called them American
simply because they're dry; I'd probably just call them dry.  I've had
many homemade scrambles, and none have been as dry as the
diner/restaurant versions (or even dry), but then, we're not in as big
a hurry as those places.  (It's also that there are people who, like
some of my friends, prefer their eggs "dead," as in dry and as in
there is no such thing as a sunny side up/over easy egg.)

~Ali



From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 14:33:10 2008
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: French translation of HP- Black Adder question
Message-ID: <58721.65916.qm@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I saw the Black Adder series on PBS years ago, but I only recently bought the DVD set with all the seasons and some extras, too.  I've rewatched through Black Adder III, and so far I've seen Stephen Fry, Miranda Richardson, Jim Broadbent (slated to be Slughorn, in case there's someone out there who hasn't heard) and Robbie Coltrane. And how could I forget Miriam Margoleys (whose name I probably just butchered there).  I'd love to see some way they could fit Hugh Laurie into HP, who I think is an absolute hoot in the series, but I'm not sure who he'd play.


akh, who had to go on "Black Adder" hiatus, since she has a house guest who's not a fan


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Mar 27 16:47:19 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:47:19 -0400
Subject: Egg Prep (was RE: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
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References: <fse8p8+2d16@eGroups.com> <fsef18+hsfa@eGroups.com>
 <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>
 <b6e131bf0803270638k4e30b012y65a387021a1e6851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006201c8902a$39a96c90$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[montims]:
| > As to fried eggs, I had never known anyone, in England, 
| Italy, or Germany,
| > turn frying eggs over. When I came to the States I was 
| totally dumbfounded
| > to be asked how I wanted my fried eggs (uh - fried?)... I 
| have learned now,
| > but still do them "my" way at home... By the way, another 
| shock to my
| > system was discovering that Americans scramble eggs in a 
| frying pan - we do
| > it in a saucepan. I find American scrambled eggs much drier 
| in texture -
| > like chopped up omelette, whereas I prefer the creamier 
| texture of eggs
| > scrambled in a saucepan, but as ever it's what you've grown 
| up with, and
| > what you're used to...
| 
[Ali]:
It is a little weird to have so many ways to have your fried eggs
| (coming from a person who didn't grow up with that herself), but you
| can get sunny side up eggs at diners/restaurants/whatever - that's why
| they ask you how you like your eggs.  A little anecdote: once when I
| was little, I was told to make the fried eggs for dinner.  Not knowing
| what to do, I flipped them as I've seen on TV, not thinking how the
| eggs I ate never looked flipped.  Everyone at the table was a little
| confused as to why the eggs were so very cooked, and the decision was
| silently made that I wouldn't be allowed to do the fried eggs again -
| I have long since figured out the problem but am still not making the
| fried eggs when I go home.
| 
| As for the scrambled eggs, I don't know that I'd called them American
| simply because they're dry; I'd probably just call them dry.  I've had
| many homemade scrambles, and none have been as dry as the
| diner/restaurant versions (or even dry), but then, we're not in as big
| a hurry as those places.  (It's also that there are people who, like
| some of my friends, prefer their eggs "dead," as in dry and as in
| there is no such thing as a sunny side up/over easy egg.)

[Lee]
Personally, I do like my eggs "Rubber-Fried." :-)  As far as scrambled eggs,
another interesting factor is whether they are scrambled just neat or have
the addition of milk or water.  When I was growing up, my Mom always added
milk and then did the scrambling; then I met some who used water instead of
milk.  My husband adds just a touch of water as the eggs go into the pan.

The funniest for me was when my friend came over from Germany for a visit.
We were in our local breakfast place and she wanted a "hard coked" egg.
Well, we were all at a loss to understand what she wanted, so the good
people presented her with well-cooked fried eggs.  She sorta stared at them
and finally managed to eat some of it.  I later found out that "hard cooked"
eggs were what we call "hard boiled" eggs.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 18:27:36 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:27:36 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fseh51+c1cc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsgouo+isrt@eGroups.com>

Geoff:
> Well, call it a bacon sandwich then for the benefit of those who
have had a sheltered upbringing - although I cannot see why bacon
butty is funny though I have chuckled over "spotted dick", especially
in my teenage years.... <snip>

Carol: 

It's "funny" to a child in the same way that "Uranus" is funny. "butt"
means rump or posterior or whatever "nice" word you prefer to use for
the part of the anatomy that you sit on. At least, it has that meaning
in American English, and we're talking about American children here.
Yeah, "bacon sandwich" will do nicely.

Carol, who wouldn't use "knock up," for example, even though it's
innocuous in British English






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 18:33:08 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:33:08 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsen6a+r85p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsgp94+330o@eGroups.com>

 > Carol, wondering whether Goddlefrood has tried her recipe for 
American biscuits yet (and you thought that I'd forgotten!)
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> Oh no, I thought you would remember. Unfortunately I haven't had a
chance to do it. There is a long weekend on the near horizon so I may
try it then. I haven't lost the recipe, btw.

Carol:
Good. It won't take more than half an hour, probably. You might make
ham or steak and eggs to go with it for a good "full American
breakfast." Well, a restaurant would probably add hash browns and
orange juice and coffee, but you need to be really hungry to eat that
much food. (I'd say "bacon and eggs," but English bacon and American
bacon are cut differently.)

Carol, glad that she isn't hungry at the moment because she's just
described her favorite meal





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 19:05:42 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:05:42 -0000
Subject: What the !?K?
In-Reply-To: <004701c88fbf$54a0f7e0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fsgr66+g345@eGroups.com>

Lee wrote:
> I don't know if this is of much help, but I go into tools and
formatting and uncheck *everything*!  I just don't want Word to change
any of my formatting including punctuations...like turning my
apostrophe into one of those "smart quote" things, etc.  That'll cut
down on any unwarranted and undesirable characters.

Carol responds:

Right. "Smart quotes" are curly quotation marks (and apostrophes) that
face the right direction. I generally use them when I'm editing
electronically (that is, before I do anything else, I'll change any
accidental "straight quotes" to curly ones. Of course, I still have to
correct initial apostrophes that come out backwards, as single quotes.
But for Yahoo, you want straight quotes or they'll come out as
indecipherable symbols.

Of course, if you post directly to the site, without using Word at
all, you don't have that problem. You just have the problem of not
being able to see the whole post and forgetting to snip what you're
responding to.

Carol, who just posted an inadequately snipped message to the main
site after apologizing for doing the same thing yesterday and
apologizes in advance to the List Elves for being old and forgetful




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 19:11:59 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:11:59 -0000
Subject: Questionable names (was help needed for school project)
In-Reply-To: <fsg430+apja@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsgrhv+u10e@eGroups.com>


> -melody
> 
>  Chris is in grade 6 and 12 years old. I like the idea of spotted 
> dick but do you think other boys in his class might pick on him for 
> it. Even thought he is in the gifted and talented program in school 
> he has had a problem with bullies this year. It has been bad enough 
> that I've had to go and talk to his teachers and remind them that the 
> school has a no bulling rule. In fact he came home last night course 
> selction papers for next year and he didn't sight up for any "GT" 
> classes. I'm very upset about this but I cannot make him take the 
> classes he has the right to drop out of the program at any time but I 
> don't like it. That right was made so that if the work is to had a 
> student could get out of the program. Not for kids that want out 
> because of other kids in the program. I'm going to the school tonight 
> to see if they can help me change his mind. Sorry about the rant but 
> I had to tell someone and he doen't want to listen.


Kemper now:
It's all in the presentation.
If he's to introduce the spotted dick maybe he could start by,
"I hear (Bully 1) and (Bully 2) would like some spotted dick..."
It's a three fold benefit:

1. The class will think he's funny and hold him in higher esteem
2. He takes back the night from the bullies thereby increasing the
esteem exponentially.
3. The bullies power decreases in the class and with your son.

The other benefit is he might reevaluate his decision to opt out of GT.

I hope the best for your son... (though the best may not actually be
in TG; the universe is funny)

Kemper  





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Mar 27 19:19:06 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:19:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsgouo+isrt@eGroups.com>
References: <fseh51+c1cc@eGroups.com> <fsgouo+isrt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8903f$6d8b1530$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[Carol]:
| It's "funny" to a child in the same way that "Uranus" is funny. "butt"
| means rump or posterior or whatever "nice" word you prefer to use for
| the part of the anatomy that you sit on. At least, it has that meaning
| in American English, and we're talking about American children here.

[Lee]:
Well, don' know about that as Ron used that kind of syntax in OOTP.

Cheers,

Lee :-)





From YasminOaks at aol.com  Thu Mar 27 19:25:03 2008
From: YasminOaks at aol.com (YasminOaks at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:25:03 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Questionable names (was help needed for school proj...
Message-ID: <c1f.30c87a50.351d4e8f@aol.com>

My daughter is also 12 years old and in the 6th grade. I have enjoyed  
reading about your son's project and I am going to try some of these meals at  home. 
I did find spotted dick at the store today. It made me smile. 
 
I just thought I would write quickly on here to let you know that my  
daughter is having problems with bullies as well. The boys in her class are all  very 
nice, but the girls have changed this year. The two girls giving her  
problems are fairly new. Well one is new this year and the other she met last  year. 
Last year they were the best of friends and now this year the girl is so  mean 
to my daughter. She has come home crying. 
 
She is a very pretty and sweet girl. I feel so bad for her as she has never  
had anyone pick on her like this before. She is made fun of for just about  
anything and everything that these other girls can think of. From Harry Potter  
to her pets. 
 
Do you have any idea of how to deal with this? I told her to try ignoring  it 
the best that she can. Easy to say, but probably hard to do.
 
I tell her to play with the boys and she giggles. I think I need to  rephrase 
things better. :) The boys, though, are all so nice and although they  do 
tease the girls it is in a nice manner. I think she would be so much happier  if 
she just hung out with them.
 
Hugs,
Cathy who is very glad to no longer be in school, at least middle  school.



**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL 
Home.      
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 19:25:12 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:25:12 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsgsao+v1tr@eGroups.com>

montims wrote:
<snipping entertaining and informative post>
> And finally - sugar.  Granulated sugar in England has larger
crystals than caster sugar, (used for cooking usually), which again
has larger crystals than icing sugar.  What is called granulated sugar
in America has the same texture as British caster sugar. Maybe the
brown sugar you sometimes find in packets in cafes is the same size as
British white granulated sugar, but not the stuff you find in the
baking aisles - that's too fine.

Carol:
So caster sugar is granulated, and icing sugar also has crystals? I
thought that icing sugar, at least, would be powdered. (We use
powdered sugar to make icing, or, as people in my part of the country
call it, frosting.) I had it all wrong, apparently. 

Brown sugar is finer than granulated (white or refined) sugar, which
has the molasses removed, IIRC. It (brown sugar) sticks together and
has to be packed into a measuring cup, whereas granulated sugar can
just be poured, like salt. (If you pour powdered sugar, you'll be
breathing the stuff, it's so fine--about the consistency of
cornstarch, come to think of it--I just checked a package in my
cupboard and cornstarch *is* one of the ingredients. never knew that
before!)

Carol, now wondering what a caster is and which kind of sugar the
British put in their coffee or tea




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 19:31:47 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:31:47 -0000
Subject: French translation of HP- Black Adder question
In-Reply-To: <58721.65916.qm@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fsgsn3+cglo@eGroups.com>

Anita wrote:
<snip> I'd love to see some way they could fit Hugh Laurie into HP,
who I think is an absolute hoot in the series, but I'm not sure who
he'd play. <snip>

Carol:
Let him keep his "House" limp and his own English accent (he uses an
American accent for "House") and he'd be perfect as Scrimgeour. I'm
guessing, though, that Scrimgeour will be cut from the films and we'll
just have Fudge delivering DD's will to HRH (and being killed
offscreen by DEs). Less confusing to the filmgoers who haven't read
the books.

Carol, realizing that this topic would fit better on the Movie list
but just wanting to respond to the one point





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 19:40:31 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:40:31 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <000001c8903f$6d8b1530$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fsgt7f+okeh@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> | It's "funny" to a child in the same way that "Uranus" is funny.
"Butt" means rump or posterior or whatever "nice" word you prefer to
use for the part of the anatomy that you sit on. At least, it has that
meaning in American English, and we're talking about American children
here.
> 
> [Lee]:
> Well, don' know about that as Ron used that kind of syntax in OOTP.

Carol:
Ron made the "Uranus" joke, but I'm talking about "butt[y]." (I only
mentioned the Uranus joke as an analogous example, thinking,
naturally, of Ron.) I just realized that "bum" might be the best word
to convey the meaning of "butt" to British readers, except that it
doesn't have the slightly off-color connotation that "butt" has for
american children. (Maybe not for gifted and talented sixth-graders,
but if fourteen-year-olds find "Uranus" funny, and they do,
twelve-year-olds might find "butty" funny.)

Carol, hoping that her meaning is clearer this time around




From chonpschonps at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 27 20:30:01 2008
From: chonpschonps at hotmail.com (xuxunette)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:30:01 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
Message-ID: <fsh049+22ib@eGroups.com>

 I've been musing about how the HP characters take
their tea.
 
I'd say Snape being from the north and a modest family
would favor
strong blends, and probably good Assam when he has the
means - maybe
with sugar, but never milk.
 
Sirius with his posh background would have retained a
lingering
predilection for strong honeyed Russian Caravan in the
morning, and
Darjeeling through the day - taken with a hint of
lemon.
 
Earl Grey would suit Remus, mild, common and slightly
sweet - plain
with chocolate biscuits.
 
I think Lucius drink Earl Grey too, but only of the
best quality.
 
Dumbledore is the lemon tea guy and all kind of exotic
fruity brews
and herbal infusions, peppermint tea prepared the Arab
way, lychee
tea, verveine, chai, rose, jasmine, strawberry... But
of course he
would offer simple but quality Ceylon in his office.
 
Harry and Ron would drink anything giving that there
is plenty of
sugar and milk.
 
Hermione drinks coffee, up till in her mid thirties
when she converts
to green tea along with taking up wizarding yoga.
 
So how do you think the Potter character take their tea?

xuxu
 
 




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 21:01:45 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:01:45 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
Message-ID: <fsh1vp+j2q4@eGroups.com>

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/
article3533688.ece

Susan directed me to this one. Very very cool, but also frustratingly 
difficult. I suspect translation matters as well, but I could not 
figure out much except 1,15, 17, 20 and it would be a shame for me not 
to figure out 17 and 20.

I know I know more of the ancient world books, but GRRRR nothing.

Anybody wants to help and reference the pages where quotes come from?

Carol, please do not answer all of them at once, let somebody else take 
a bite <g> Kidding of course.

Alla




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 21:02:35 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:02:35 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh1vp+j2q4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsh21b+m48f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/
> article3533688.ece


Alla:

Cut and paste the link in your browser, otherwise won't work.




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 27 21:14:51 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:14:51 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh1vp+j2q4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsh2ob+72j0@eGroups.com>

Alla:
>  
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/book
s/article3533688.ece
> 
> Susan directed me to this one. Very very cool, but also 
> frustratingly difficult. I suspect translation matters as well, but 
> I could not figure out much except 1,15, 17, 20 and it would be a 
> shame for me not to figure out 17 and 20.
> 
> I know I know more of the ancient world books, but GRRRR nothing.
> 
> Anybody wants to help and reference the pages where quotes come 
> from?
> 
> Carol, please do not answer all of them at once, let somebody else 
> take a bite <g> Kidding of course.

SSSusan:
Hey, with our international membership, we might have a decent shot 
at coming up with a number of these.

I, unfortunately, found most of the clues/questions/descriptions way 
too overclever for me.  I was only able to be certain about 1, 5, 15 
(after a little help from Alla to be sure I was on the right 
track ;)), 18 & 19.  

I have a guess on 12, too, but it is purely a guess.  

I feel like I should know 4, 11, 13 & 14, but I'm just not getting 
there.  

Anybody else have some they're sure of?

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 27 21:25:15 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:15 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsgsao+v1tr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsh3br+2co4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Carol:
> So caster sugar is granulated, and icing sugar also has crystals? I
> thought that icing sugar, at least, would be powdered. (We use
> powdered sugar to make icing, or, as people in my part of the country
> call it, frosting.) I had it all wrong, apparently. 
> 
> Brown sugar is finer than granulated (white or refined) sugar, which
> has the molasses removed, IIRC. It (brown sugar) sticks together and
> has to be packed into a measuring cup, whereas granulated sugar can
> just be poured, like salt. (If you pour powdered sugar, you'll be
> breathing the stuff, it's so fine--about the consistency of
> cornstarch, come to think of it--I just checked a package in my
> cupboard and cornstarch *is* one of the ingredients. never knew that
> before!)
> 
> Carol, now wondering what a caster is and which kind of sugar the
> British put in their coffee or tea

Geoff:
Right,  let's clarify the UK situation, shall we? Do pay attention everyone, 
even you in the back row. Yes, including you -  Dumbledore. OK. White 
sugar. Granulated>Caster>Icing is the progression for increasingly fine sugar. 
Caster (and also granulated) would be used for cooking; caster might 
also be used for sprinkling on, say, fruit such as strawberries. Icing speaks 
for itself. It is used for extremely smooth results. In terms of you pouring
sugar, our granulated would not pout as easily as salt.

Brown sugar. In the UK, there are two main types. Demerara - which is 
granular but softer than white granulated sugar and Dark Brown Soft 
Sugar which would normally be used for cookery purposes - cakes maybe.

What do I use for tea and coffee? Nowadays, I don't take sugar in tea but 
at one time I would have used white granulated. For coffee - demerara. I 
also use the latter for things like melon.

Right, there's the bell. For next lesson, a foot of parchment on the uses of 
brown sugars in potion making. Off you go to Transfiguration.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 27 21:32:59 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:32:59 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <000001c8903f$6d8b1530$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fsh3qb+a2f9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force)" 
<n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [Carol]:
> | It's "funny" to a child in the same way that "Uranus" is funny. "butt"
> | means rump or posterior or whatever "nice" word you prefer to use for
> | the part of the anatomy that you sit on. At least, it has that meaning
> | in American English, and we're talking about American children here.
> 
> [Lee]:
> Well, don' know about that as Ron used that kind of syntax in OOTP.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lee :-)

Geoff:
Butt doesn't apparently carry quite the same weight as it does in the US. 
It's quite a harmless word. I'll perhaps sit down next to one of the young 
people on a small bench seat and say "Shift your butt, there's a good chap" 
and there's no embarrassment or insult involved.

But, using "butty" merely indicates a reference to sandwiches; no link to 
nether regions is implied. 

There is another informal word for sandwich - "sarnie" which I think 
might be a London usage.






From mwood005 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 27 21:57:00 2008
From: mwood005 at comcast.net (melody_wood14)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:57:00 -0000
Subject: Questionable names (was help needed for school proj...
In-Reply-To: <c1f.30c87a50.351d4e8f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fsh57c+5aat@eGroups.com>

melody 
I am so sorry for your daughter girl bullys are so different from 
boys. I went through it last year with my 15 year old daughter. My 
first advie is NOT to ignor it. Talking to their parents can make it 
worse and if she has a my space acount make sure that they are 
blocked. One child told my daughter on her acount that if she shot 
herself that it would do them all a favor. I blocked and reported him 
to my space. If your teachers and principals have e-mail send them a 
letter and let them know what is going on. This way you have it in 
writting what is going on. Then set up appointments to talk to them 
in person. This helped us with both kids. This will let you daughter 
know that she is not alone in dealing with them. Then sit down one 
night and watch the movie mean girls. She will see that other girls 
have been through this enought that they made a movie about it. I 
hope this helps.

- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, YasminOaks at ... wrote:
>
> My daughter is also 12 years old and in the 6th grade. I have 
enjoyed  
> reading about your son's project and I am going to try some of 
these meals at  home. 
> I did find spotted dick at the store today. It made me smile. 
>  
> I just thought I would write quickly on here to let you know that 
my  
> daughter is having problems with bullies as well. The boys in her 
class are all  very 
> nice, but the girls have changed this year. The two girls giving 
her  
> problems are fairly new. Well one is new this year and the other 
she met last  year. 
> Last year they were the best of friends and now this year the girl 
is so  mean 
> to my daughter. She has come home crying. 
>  
> She is a very pretty and sweet girl. I feel so bad for her as she 
has never  
> had anyone pick on her like this before. She is made fun of for 
just about  
> anything and everything that these other girls can think of. From 
Harry Potter  
> to her pets. 
>  
> Do you have any idea of how to deal with this? I told her to try 
ignoring  it 
> the best that she can. Easy to say, but probably hard to do.
>  
> I tell her to play with the boys and she giggles. I think I need 
to  rephrase 
> things better. :) The boys, though, are all so nice and although 
they  do 
> tease the girls it is in a nice manner. I think she would be so 
much happier  if 
> she just hung out with them.
>  
> Hugs,
> Cathy who is very glad to no longer be in school, at least middle  
school.
> 
> 
> 
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video 
on AOL 
> Home.      
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?
video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





From chonpschonps at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 27 22:29:32 2008
From: chonpschonps at hotmail.com (xuxunette)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:29:32 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh2ob+72j0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsh74c+j69e@eGroups.com>

> SSSusan:
snip
> Anybody else have some they're sure of?
> 
> Siriusly Snapey Susan
>

16 is Emile Zola's 'Nana'. 

xuxu




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 23:27:01 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:27:01 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh1vp+j2q4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fshag5+nhrf@eGroups.com>

> Alla:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/boo
ks/article3533688.ece

> Anybody wants to help and reference the pages where quotes come 
> from?


Goddlefrood:

The clues are cryptic, rather than being quotes (excepting the 
first). The second, for instance, leads to the song title that 
those lyrics come from, and hence the book. The third is the 
name of the single referred, leading to the book etc. etc.

So far I've got the first 7 and am working through the rest.

Those answers so far:

1. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll

2. Night and Day - Virginia Woolf

3. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte

4. Heart of Midlothian - Sir Walter Scott

5. Vanity Fair - William Makepeace Thackeray

6. Washington Square - Henry James

7. Walden - Henry David Thoreau

Toodle pip.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 00:12:30 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:12:30 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fshag5+nhrf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fshd5e+cpo7@eGroups.com>

> > Alla:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/boo
ks/article3533688.ece

Goddlefrood:

8. Life on the Mississippi - Mark Twain

9. Louisa May Alcott - Little Women

10. Moby Dick - Herman Melville

11. Symposium - Plato

12. The Metamorphoses - Ovid

13. The Civil Wars - Appian

14. The Consolation of Philosophy - Boetius

15. The Politics - Aristotle

16. Nana - Emile Zola (Thanks xuxu)

17. Dead Souls - Nikolai Gogol

18. The Divine Comedy - Dante

19. Indiana- George Sand

20. The Idiot - Fyodor Dostoevsky

If anyone on this list wins think kindly of me.

Goddlefrood




From liliput99ar at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Mar 28 00:42:20 2008
From: liliput99ar at yahoo.com.ar (liliput99ar)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:42:20 -0000
Subject: French translation of HP
In-Reply-To: <fsb76p+6ej7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fshetc+6uks@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "anita_hillin"
<anita_hillin at ...> wrote:
>

> 
> I'm curious; how good is the French translation?  I don't speak a word
> (well, I speak ballet French, but that doesn't count) so it could be
> execrable and I'd bounce merrily along.  It occurs to me that a good
> translation could be invaluable for someone who wants to be steeped in
> the language, but a bad translation could do some damage!
> 
> I'm presuming that it's a good one, but I know you're out there who
> are fluent in both French and English, so I'd be willing to pass along
> your reviews.
> 

Nora:

I wanted to read HP in French, as I love the language, as well as I
love English (my mother tongue is Spanish) but one of my
French-speaking friends (from Switzerland) told me that the
translation was no good. I don't know, maybe it was just that he
preferred the original version. What is certain is that they sort of
translate names, for instance Snape is "Rogue" (not sure about that,
it's by heart), and Hogwarts is Poudlard, etc. 

Hope it helps





From s.hayes at qut.edu.au  Fri Mar 28 01:18:29 2008
From: s.hayes at qut.edu.au (Sharon Hayes)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:18:29 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <fsh049+22ib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB5DF457@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>

xuxu said:

I've been musing about how the HP characters take
their tea.

I'd say Snape being from the north and a modest family
would favor
strong blends, and probably good Assam when he has the
means - maybe
with sugar, but never milk.
<snip>.

Harry and Ron would drink anything giving that there
is plenty of
sugar and milk.
<snip>

Sharon:
So, why is it plebeian to take milk in your tea?  I believe that the GM of Twinings takes his tea with milk.  Personally 9as you may have guessed!) I also take tea with milk (no sugar) and I think both Draco and Lucius would too--and yes, definitely Early Grey--or a special custom blend.

Of course, Snape would never take milk, because he's probably lacto-intolerant. (It's the sour look on his face that gives it away.)

I actually think Hermione would take Lady Grey tea with a dash of milk becuase it's very ladylike. Also, tea is full of antioxidants, while coffee is too stimulating. She cares too much about her health to drink coffee.

Harry and Ron you've nailed--mostly for the sugar. Hot, sugary tea would be a staple amongst Hogwarts students, much like treacle tart, I would think.

I actually think Albus would prefer Irish Breakfast tea--hot and strong, with milk and sugar. Either that or Chai tea, because it's exotic. Albus is a bit of an enigma, with his strong tea and his lemon drops :-)





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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 01:40:16 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:40:16 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fshd5e+cpo7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fshia0+1tti@eGroups.com>


Goddlefrood:
4. Heart of Midlothian - Sir Walter Scott

5. Vanity Fair - William Makepeace Thackeray

6. Washington Square - Henry James

7. Walden - Henry David Thoreau

Alla:

Have not read any of those. You know I love Walter Scott, so do you 
recommend this one?



9. Louisa May Alcott - Little Women

Alla:

Ugh, Jo of course. Should have remembered the book, but had no idea 
that Louisa May Askott wrote it in 2.5 months and became rich.

10. Moby Dick - Herman Melville

Alla:

On my reading list but have not read it, so what is the answer to the 
question as it phrased? After Moby Dick?


11. Symposium ? Plato

Alla:

Should have known too


13. The Civil Wars ? Appian

Alla:

I figured half of the clue ? knew that the book was called Civil 
wars, but not the author

17. Dead Souls - Nikolai Gogol

20. The Idiot - Fyodor Dostoevsky

Alla:

Yes, those I knew from the first glance of course, but those were the 
only ones, since even 1 and 15 I had to think about.

> If anyone on this list wins think kindly of me.
> 
> Goddlefrood


Alla:

UK address is a prerequisite, but I will think kindly of you 
anyways :)

Thanks.





From jnferr at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 02:00:34 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:00:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsgsao+v1tr@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40803270604x604945e3xf8f64a4b0aad45be@mail.gmail.com>
	 <fsgsao+v1tr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803271900x6450bd76g3399685ab4e61304@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Carol:
> So caster sugar is granulated, and icing sugar also has crystals? I
> thought that icing sugar, at least, would be powdered. (We use
> powdered sugar to make icing, or, as people in my part of the country
> call it, frosting.) I had it all wrong, apparently.
>
> Brown sugar is finer than granulated (white or refined) sugar, which
> has the molasses removed, IIRC. It (brown sugar) sticks together and
> has to be packed into a measuring cup, whereas granulated sugar can
> just be poured, like salt. (If you pour powdered sugar, you'll be
> breathing the stuff, it's so fine--about the consistency of
> cornstarch, come to think of it--I just checked a package in my
> cupboard and cornstarch *is* one of the ingredients. never knew that
> before!)
>
> Carol, now wondering what a caster is and which kind of sugar the
> British put in their coffee or tea


montims:
oh dear, I confused matters.  Icing sugar is powder - it has crystals only
under a microscope - memories of a long ago chemistry lesson where we looked
at different sugars and salt under high magnification.  I wouldn't put sugar
in my tea, just milk, but if I did, in England it would be granulated
sugar.  Granulated sugar crystals are about twice as big as caster sugar
crystals.  Oh dear...

But this is what a caster is:
http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/sugar_casters.html  It
shakes out the caster sugar...


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From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 10:44:07 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:44:07 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fshia0+1tti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsii5n+10dvt@eGroups.com>

> Goddlefrood:
> 4. Heart of Midlothian - Sir Walter Scott
 
> 5. Vanity Fair - William Makepeace Thackeray
 
> Alla:
 
> Have not read any of those. You know I love Walter Scott, so 
> do you recommend this one?

Goddlefrood:

I'd recommend any of the Waverley novels, they're all good.

Vanity Fair I read when I was about 14. My brother had it 
as his school project, took it with him on a family holiday, 
couldn't read it, so I did. I remember it being the longest 
book I'd read up to that time, which didn't make it any less 
enjoyable. I finished it in two sittings, iirc, liked it a 
great deal. A superb portrait of mid-Victorian life, and funny 
too.

> 10. Moby Dick - Herman Melville

> Alla:

> On my reading list but have not read it, so what is the answer 
> to the question as it phrased? After Moby Dick?

Goddlefrood:

Right, they're all characters in the novel and it really is quite 
a ride.

> 13. The Civil Wars ? Appian
 
> Alla:
> 
> I figured half of the clue ? knew that the book was called Civil 
> Wars, but not the author

Goddlefrood:

Yes, it was a little unfair that question, methought. It couldn't 
have been Julius Caeasar's The Civil War because of the plurality, 
but Appian didn't die aged 25, or probably didn't. The way the 
question was phrased looks like he did. I figured it must be that 
only 24 of his books survive, either that or his histories were 
in 24 volumes, so he didn't make 25, hmmm.

> > If anyone on this list wins think kindly of me.
 
> Alla:
> 
> UK address is a prerequisite, but I will think kindly of you 
> anyways :)

Goddlefrood:

I have plenty of relatives there ...




From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 28 14:16:47 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (Susan Albrecht)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:16:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Literary quiz
Message-ID: <867633.79166.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Goddlefrood:
> So far I've got the first 7 and am working through the rest.
> 
> Those answers so far:
> 
> 1. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
SSS:  I had this one
 
> 2. Night and Day - Virginia Woolf
SSS:  I had the title but didn't (eek) recognize it as a Woolf novel.

> 3. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte
SSS:  Wow, this is a surprise.  I didn't know, so tried to Google the clue about the 1st hit in the UK for a woman.  You must have found a different title than I did.

> 4. Heart of Midlothian - Sir Walter Scott
SSS:  Can you tell me how you got this one, Gav?  A friend of mine had all but #3 and #4, so I'm curious what clue did it for you in picking HoM?  I knew it wasn't world cup soccer because "regularly every 50 years" isn't divisible by 4, which is the WC schedule, right?  But then I got lost.
 
> 5. Vanity Fair - William Makepeace Thackeray
SSS:  I guessed correctly on this one

> 6. Washington Square - Henry James
SSS:  Got this after a Google search. :)

> 7. Walden - Henry David Thoreau
SSS:  Ditto  

> 8. Life on the Mississippi - Mark Twain
SSS:  I guessed incorrectly on this one

> 9. Louisa May Alcott - Little Women
SSS:  Oy.  Like Alla, I did not know the story of her quick rise out of poverty.

> 10. Moby Dick - Herman Melville
SSS:  Got it but had to cheat by looking up the characters, since I have never actually read MD.

> 11. Symposium - Plato
SSS:  Had no clue

> 12. The Metamorphoses - Ovid
SSS:  I guessed incorrectly on this, but once explained it felt so obvious.

> 13. The Civil Wars - Appian
SSS:  I had the title easily but was unsure of the author.  A friend of mine suggested Lucan rather than Appian.  So I checked with her, and the reason she knew it was Lucan is that the Appian CW is not in the Oxford World Classic list, while the Lucan is.

> 14. The Consolation of Philosophy - Boetius
SSS:  I did not get this, but again, a friend of mine differs in her deduction.  She proposes Daphnis & Chloe.  In fact, she is pretty sure about this as fitting the clue better and also because it's in the list of OWC titles.

> 15. The Politics - Aristotle
SSS:  Got this one, once I reminded myself of the first quote

> 16. Nana - Emile Zola (Thanks xuxu)
SSS:  I had NO idea so, yes, thanks xuxu

> 17. Dead Souls - Nikolai Gogol
SSS:  Needed Alla for this

> 18. The Divine Comedy - Dante
SSS:  This one was the one I was most sure of

> 19. Indiana- George Sand
SSS:  Another I was sure of 

> 20. The Idiot - Fyodor Dostoevsky
SSS:  Needed Alla again :)  A friend explained to me that the question mark after the clue was to indicate that it's not *clear* in the book whether the title refers to this character.  Is that so?

It's a little embarrassing how few of these I have read. :-|  Are there any of you who have read some of these and would recommend to me which is/are your fav(s)?

Siriusly Snapey Susan, who hopes this will post because OTC has been really acting up this morning



From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 14:49:38 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:49:38 -0000
Subject: Muggle Quidditch
Message-ID: <fsj0i2+nvnb@eGroups.com>

>From CBS's the Early Show:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976918n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976932n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml


I would play.  I wish someone would start a city league...

Kemper




From maritajan at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 15:03:31 2008
From: maritajan at yahoo.com (MJ)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Muggle Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <fsj0i2+nvnb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <131606.99513.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh, I would soooooo join one of those leagues!!!!  I think the game looks like such fun!!
   
   
  MJ

kempermentor <kempermentor at yahoo.com> wrote:
          From CBS's the Early Show:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976918n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

and

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976932n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

I would play. I wish someone would start a city league...

Kemper



                           


MJ
       
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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 28 15:13:17 2008
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:17 -0000
Subject: Muggle Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <fsj0i2+nvnb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsj1ud+1rlv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> From CBS's the Early Show:
> 
> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?
id=3976918n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml
> 
> and
> 
> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?
id=3976932n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml
> 
> 
> I would play.  I wish someone would start a city league...

SSSusan:
Thanks so much for sharing those links, Kemper.  That was awesome!

When I went to The Witching Hour in Salem, they had Quidditch matches 
going on which were very much like what you see in these videos.  It 
had been raining all day when they played, and it turned into a real 
mudbath, but it was a hoot to watch.

I'd play this, too!  It looks like a blast.

Siriusly Snapey Susan





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 19:26:03 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:26:03 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh1vp+j2q4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjgob+6ffo@eGroups.com>

Alla wrote: 
> Susan directed me to this one. Very very cool, but also
frustratingly difficult. I suspect translation matters as well, but I
could not figure out much except 1, 15, 17, 20 and it would be a shame
for me not to figure out 17 and 20.
> 
> I know I know more of the ancient world books, but GRRRR nothing.
> 
> Anybody wants to help and reference the pages where quotes come from?
> 
> Carol, please do not answer all of them at once, let somebody else
take a bite <g> Kidding of course.
> 
> Alla
>
Carol responds:

Since I know or think I know exactly half the answere (ten of twenty),
I don't think that I'm any threat! The problem is, all of the answers
are supposed to be book titles and authors, yet number three, for
example, is a hit single by a female singer and another question is
the name of a park. (Maybe there's a book by that name, but I'm not
familiar with it.) Anyway, it was fun taking the quiz, but there's no
way that I'd embarrass myself by submitting my answers!

BTW, there's a link on that page to an article called "Byron, Shelley,
and Miss Havisham." That I have to read!

And the links to places to stay remind me of my near-daily commutes
from London House, a hostel for scholars where I was staying, to the
Bodleian Library in Oxford via the so-called Oxford Tube (either a bus
or a train--for some reason, it varied) in the hot (for England), dry
summer of 1995 (commemorated by JKR in OoP). I brought an umbrella
because it "always" rains in England and only got to use it once! (The
English, of course, don't know what "hot" is. They should try living
in southern Arizona.)

Carol, who got 1, 9, 10, 12, 13, 18, and possibly 3, 6, and 8




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 19:35:45 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:35:45 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh2ob+72j0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjhah+qee0@eGroups.com>

SSSusan wrote:
<snip> 
> I, unfortunately, found most of the clues/questions/descriptions way
too overclever for me.  I was only able to be certain about 1, 5, 15 
(after a little help from Alla to be sure I was on the right track
;)), 18 & 19.  
> 
> I have a guess on 12, too, but it is purely a guess.  
> 
> I feel like I should know 4, 11, 13 & 14, but I'm just not getting 
> there.  
> 
> Anybody else have some they're sure of?

>Carol responds:

Come on, SSS. Look at that second set of dates for question 13:
American, 1861-65. What happened then? (Don't answer onlist yet!)

Carol, who thinks that you can probably also get number 10 and that
your guess on 12 is probably right




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 19:42:50 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:42:50 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsh3br+2co4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjhnq+ta7e@eGroups.com>

Carol, now wondering what a caster is 
> Geoff:
> Right,  let's clarify the UK situation, shall we? <snip>
Granulated>Caster>Icing is the progression for increasingly fine
sugar. Caster (and also granulated) would be used for cooking; caster
might also be used for sprinkling on, say, fruit such as strawberries.
Icing speaks for itself. It is used for extremely smooth results. In
terms of you pouring sugar, our granulated would not pout as easily as
salt.
<snip>

Carol:

I'm trying to picture granulated sugar that doesn't pour. Does it
stick together like brown sugar? And you still haven't told me what a
caster is (some sort of container? a sifter?), or whether caster sugar
is a powder like icing sugar or superfine grains like light brown
sugar in the U.S.

Carol, noting that we also have light brown and dark brown sugar,
along with "sugar in the raw," which is offered in packets in some
coffeehouses and which is no doubt better for you than the refined stuff




From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 19:45:07 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:45:07 -0000
Subject: French translation of HP
In-Reply-To: <fshetc+6uks@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjhs3+dkva@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "liliput99ar"
<liliput99ar at ...> wrote:
 
> I wanted to read HP in French, as I love the language, as well as I
> love English (my mother tongue is Spanish) but one of my
> French-speaking friends (from Switzerland) told me that the
> translation was no good. I don't know, maybe it was just that he
> preferred the original version. What is certain is that they sort of
> translate names, for instance Snape is "Rogue" (not sure about that,
> it's by heart), and Hogwarts is Poudlard, etc.


Yeah, Snape is  "le professeur Rogue" in French :-). There is also
Neville Londubat and Argus Rusard, Myrtle is called Mimi, and there
are other changes as well. Many names are changed or "translated" into
French, but I believe it's the same thing with most HP translations -
I personally know only one (Spanish) where the they kept almost all of
the names unchanged. I myself don't like "translated" names, and they
annoy me very much, but it's just me :-). Maybe I'm wrong about this,
I don't know.


zanooda 





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 19:48:05 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:48:05 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsh74c+j69e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsji1m+90bb@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> snip
> > Anybody else have some they're sure of?
> > 
> > Siriusly Snapey Susan
> >
xux: 
> 16 is Emile Zola's 'Nana'. 

Carol responds:

Should we hold off giving answers until everyone has taken the quiz?
(Not that I would have gotten that one right!)

Carol, absolutely certain of 1, 9, 10, 12, and 13 but not telling the
answers just yet




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:00:41 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:00:41 -0000
Subject: Muggle Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <fsj0i2+nvnb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjip9+kurl@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
>
> From CBS's the Early Show:
 http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976918n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml
> 
> and
 http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3976932n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml
 
> I would play.  I wish someone would start a city league...

Carol responds:

I watched it on "The Early Show" this morning (purely by accident--I
had no idea that segment would air today). I thought that the human
Snitch with the sock on his back was rather silly (especially when the
middle-aged weatherman attempted it--though his gold jacket was
"cool"). I think the idea, suggested somewhere, of a toy helicopter as
the Snitch better. 

Poor Muggles! Can't get off the ground and have to catch the Quaffle
(was it a volleyball?) one-handed because the other hand is holding on
to their supposedly state-of-the art Nimbus 2000s. (Haven't they read
the later books?) At least the Bludger didn't look dangerous. It
reminded me of those red rubber balls (the kind that hit the asphalt
with a high-pitched "ping!") that we used to play dodgeball with when
I was a kid.

Fun to watch for a little while (five minutes!), but I can't catch
with two hands, let alone one, so I'd never attempt to play even if I
were years younger.

Carol, noting that Leaky also has an article about college Quidditch,
including a coed team called the Mollywobbles




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 28 20:05:09 2008
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:05:09 -0000
Subject: Castor sugar
In-Reply-To: <fsjhnq+ta7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjj1l+ecpp@eGroups.com>

Castor sugar is a fine granular sugar used mostly for baking.  It's 
readily available in the UK, but when I was back in Canada a few years 
ago I was unable to find an equivalent.  I used regular granulated 
sugar for baking but the difference between the two sugars was 
noticable.  It may be available somewhere in the US, but I was living 
just outside Toronto, with plenty of access to well-stocked grocery 
stores.  I never thought to check The British Shop, though (I'd go 
there to buy packets of Quavers, Galaxy chocolate tins of mushy 
peas...yum!).

Mary Ann, who enjoys her sugar as unrefined as can be (stop sniggering 
in the back!)






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:15:26 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:15:26 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803271900x6450bd76g3399685ab4e61304@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsjjku+e60i@eGroups.com>

montims:
> oh dear, I confused matters.  Icing sugar is powder - it has
crystals only under a microscope <snip> I wouldn't put sugar in my
tea, just milk, but if I did, in England it would be granulated sugar.
 Granulated sugar crystals are about twice as big as caster sugar
crystals.  Oh dear...
> 
> But this is what a caster is:
> http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/sugar_casters.html 
It shakes out the caster sugar...

Carol responds:

Thank you! How elegant. The casters look like expensive salt shakers
only bigger.

In the U.S. (where we use granulated sugar, or, rarely, sugar cubes)
for coffee or tea, we just have a sugar bowl (with a lid) and, often,
a matching creamer (cream pitcher):

http://www.naturesreign.com/RTSandC.JPG

Carol, who actually uses powdered creamer (Coffeemate) for her coffee
and rarely uses her creamer (unless she has guests who like milk in
their coffee--I don't 'cause it cools off the coffee!)




From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 20:17:57 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:17:57 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Castor sugar
In-Reply-To: <fsjj1l+ecpp@eGroups.com>
References: <fsjhnq+ta7e@eGroups.com> <fsjj1l+ecpp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0803281317g2e14fd73y39c79afa13824e1b@mail.gmail.com>

Mary Ann:
> Castor sugar is a fine granular sugar used mostly for baking. It's
> readily available in the UK, but when I was back in Canada a few years
> ago I was unable to find an equivalent. I used regular granulated
> sugar for baking but the difference between the two sugars was
> noticable. It may be available somewhere in the US, but I was living
> just outside Toronto, with plenty of access to well-stocked grocery
> stores. I never thought to check The British Shop, though (I'd go
> there to buy packets of Quavers, Galaxy chocolate tins of mushy
> peas...yum!).

Ali:
I know I said different before, but no one seemed to notice and I was
wrong anyhow.  The US (and Canadian?) equivalent of castor/caster
sugar is superfine sugar.  Like I said before, the stuff is
notoriously hard to find, and I'm going to continue attributing that
to the fact that you can make your own (and um also because the stuff
clumps like crazy).  A whirl in a food processor or blender will turn
your US granulated sugar into UK castor sugar (US superfine).  Taken
one step further, you turn that sugar into a powder - add, I believe,
1 US tsp corn starch per cup of sugar and you've got US powdered
sugar, also known as icing sugar.  The cornstarch is the reason why
things like royal icing is usually an incredibly basic recipe of
powdered sugar and water.


> Mary Ann, who enjoys her sugar as unrefined as can be (stop sniggering
> in the back!)

Ali:
Agreed.  I love raw/cane sugar.  I suppose what I really love is
sugarcane, but I'm no longer living near the equator, so I'll take
what I can get. :)

By the way, Carol, a cator (caster?) is akin to a salt shaker.  I
believe the idea of calling the stuff castor sugar was an indicator of
the sugar that can be poured out the tiny holes of the castors.  BUT I
admit that I have no idea whether it's castor or caster, having seen
both used.



From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:25:55 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:25:55 -0000
Subject: Castor sugar
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0803281317g2e14fd73y39c79afa13824e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsjk8j+q69f@eGroups.com>

Ali wrote:
<snip>
> By the way, Carol, a cator (caster?) is akin to a salt shaker.  I
believe the idea of calling the stuff castor sugar was an indicator of
the sugar that can be poured out the tiny holes of the castors.  BUT I
admit that I have no idea whether it's castor or caster, having seen
both used.

Carol:

Yes. thanks. The link that Montims (Janette) supplied showed me
exactly what a castor/caster is. I looked it up on Merriam-Webster
online (admittedly an American dictionary), which, of course, gave
"chiefly British" after the definition. "Castor" is the preferred
spelling given on that site, but, to me, "castor" suggests castor oil,
so I'll go with "caster" in the unlikely event that I ever need to
request caster sugar in writing.

Carol, thanking everyone for the information and wondering how our two
sister cultures could drift so far apart in everyday things over a
mere 230 years or so





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:31:27 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:31:27 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <867633.79166.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fsjkiv+bc2d@eGroups.com>

-Goddlefrood:

> > 3. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte

> SSS:  Wow, this is a surprise.  I didn't know, so tried to Google
the clue about the 1st hit in the UK for a woman.  You must have found
a different title than I did.

Carol responds:

Okay. I give up. It seems that my efforts to avoid spoilers were too
little, too late.

I confess that I totally misunderstood the question, thinking of
"single" as a song (a hit record). In this case, it would mean
single-volume novel as opposed to a "three-decker."

Good for you, Goddlefrood, for figuring it out.

Carol, who apparently doesn't think in riddles and should work on her
wordplay




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:43:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:43:25 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsii5n+10dvt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjl9d+pb5p@eGroups.com>

10. Moby Dick - Herman Melville
> 
> > Alla:
> 
> > On my reading list but have not read it, so what is the answer to
the question as it phrased? After Moby Dick?
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> Right, they're all characters in the novel and it really is quite a
ride.

Carol adds:

Alla, you probably know that the characters listed (Tashtego, Daggoo,
and Fedallah) are all harpooneers--the quiz writers omitted Queequeg
as a giveaway. "After" is used in the sense of what they're pursuing:
they're all "after" Moby Dick in the sense that they're hunting him
with the intention of killing him.

Does that help? (As I understand it, it was the wording of the
question that confused you.)

Carol, wishing that the other questions were as easy for me as that one




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:52:18 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:52:18 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fshag5+nhrf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjlq2+ippg@eGroups.com>

Goddlefrood:
> 
> The clues are cryptic, rather than being quotes (excepting the
first). The second, for instance, leads to the song title that those
lyrics come from, and hence the book. The third is the name of the
single referred, leading to the book etc. etc.
<snip>
> 
> 7. Walden - Henry David Thoreau

Carol responds:

Can you explain this one? I didn't understand it at all.

And someone had a "single" in the sense of a hit song called
"Wuthering Heights"?

Carol, curious as to whether you knew these off the top of your head
or did a bit of research





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 20:56:47 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:56:47 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjlq2+ippg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjm2f+b7po@eGroups.com>

> Carol responds:
<SNIP>
>> And someone had a "single" in the sense of a hit song called
> "Wuthering Heights"?
<SNIP>

Alla:

yes, I did totally :)




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar 28 21:06:34 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:06:34 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsjhnq+ta7e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjmkq+7oki@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol, now wondering what a caster is 
> > Geoff:
> > Right,  let's clarify the UK situation, shall we? <snip>
> Granulated>Caster>Icing is the progression for increasingly fine
> sugar. Caster (and also granulated) would be used for cooking; caster
> might also be used for sprinkling on, say, fruit such as strawberries.
> Icing speaks for itself. It is used for extremely smooth results. In
> terms of you pouring sugar, our granulated would not pout as easily as
> salt.
> <snip>
 
Carol:
> I'm trying to picture granulated sugar that doesn't pour. Does it
> stick together like brown sugar? And you still haven't told me what a
> caster is (some sort of container? a sifter?), or whether caster sugar
> is a powder like icing sugar or superfine grains like light brown
> sugar in the U.S.

Geoff:
I didn't say that it didn't pour. I said it doesn't pour as easily as salt.

I misinterpreted your original remark as being caster *sugar*. I think 
someone else has replied to that one.




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar 28 21:13:20 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:13:20 -0000
Subject: French translation of HP
In-Reply-To: <fsjhs3+dkva@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjn1g+t8ee@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" <zanooda2 at ...> wrote:

zanooda:
> I myself don't like "translated" names, and they
> annoy me very much, but it's just me :-). Maybe I'm wrong about this,
> I don't know.

Geoff:
I agree. The problem is that, where JKR has used a name which is a play 
on words, such as Umbridge, or seems amusing, such as perhaps 
LIttle Whinging, translation can destroy the reason behind the name.






From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 21:19:12 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:12 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjm2f+b7po@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjncg+4kh5@eGroups.com>

> > Carol responds:
> <SNIP>
> >> And someone had a "single" in the sense of a hit song called
> > "Wuthering Heights"?
> <SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
> 
> yes, I did totally :)

Magpie:
It was the song that got me to the book. I still love that song. Kate 
Bush--only I heard Pat Benatar's version first and that's the one I 
prefer.:-D

-m





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar 28 21:19:49 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:49 -0000
Subject: Castor sugar
In-Reply-To: <b6e131bf0803281317g2e14fd73y39c79afa13824e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsjndl+634h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "P. Alexis Nguyen" <alexisnguyen at ...> wrote:
 
> Ali:
> By the way, Carol, a cator (caster?) is akin to a salt shaker.  I
> believe the idea of calling the stuff castor sugar was an indicator of
> the sugar that can be poured out the tiny holes of the castors.  BUT I
> admit that I have no idea whether it's castor or caster, having seen
> both used.

Geoff:
My dictionary  gives both as alternative versions but, in practice, I have 
always seen it spelt as caster on commercial packaging.

To me, a castor is a little wheel to help you shift your armchair or settee 
around.






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 21:22:56 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:22:56 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjncg+4kh5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjnjh+ekrn@eGroups.com>

> > > Carol responds:
> > <SNIP>
> > >> And someone had a "single" in the sense of a hit song called
> > > "Wuthering Heights"?
> > <SNIP>
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > yes, I did totally :)
> 
> Magpie:
> It was the song that got me to the book. I still love that song. Kate 
> Bush--only I heard Pat Benatar's version first and that's the one I 
> prefer.:-D
> 
> -m


Alla:

Just want to clarify - I did not got the answer, I just read the 
question that way, that's all.





From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 21:33:25 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:33:25 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjkiv+bc2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjo75+mabm@eGroups.com>

> -Goddlefrood:
> 
> > > 3. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte
> 
> > SSS:  Wow, this is a surprise.  I didn't know, so tried to Google
> the clue about the 1st hit in the UK for a woman.  You must have 
found
> a different title than I did.
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Okay. I give up. It seems that my efforts to avoid spoilers were 
too
> little, too late.
> 
> I confess that I totally misunderstood the question, thinking of
> "single" as a song (a hit record). 

Magpie:
Oh, okay. I guess I'm confused in this conversation because as I 
said to Alla, Wuthering Heights *is* a single. As in a hit record. 
It was the song that made me read the book to begin with. Pat 
Benatar's version--later I heard the original hit single by Kate 
Bush.

-m




From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no  Fri Mar 28 22:16:33 2008
From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Christian_Stub=F8?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:16:33 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsjjku+e60i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsjqo1+cso2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Carol" wrote:
>[snip]
> > But this is what a caster is:
> > http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/
sugar_casters.html 
[snip]
> Thank you! How elegant. The casters look like expensive salt shakers
> only bigger.

You mean you could actually access the site?  I've been trying for 
hours, only getting 404-error messages - it's the same with the main 
site www.ifranks.com.  Might be a DNS-error with my ISP - anybody 
know if 83.223.101.110 is the correct IP-address for www.ifranks.com?

Best regards
Christian Stub?




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 23:30:41 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:30:41 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea. - ... More Tea
In-Reply-To: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB5DF457@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <fsjv31+f6d9@eGroups.com>

---  Sharon Hayes <s.hayes at ...> wrote:
>
> xuxu said:
> 
> I've been musing about how the HP characters take
> their tea.
> 
> I'd say Snape being from the north and a modest family
> would favor strong blends, and probably good Assam when he
> has the means - maybewith sugar, but never milk.
> <snip>.
> 
> Harry and Ron would drink anything giving that there
> is plenty of sugar and milk.
> <snip>
> 
> Sharon:
> So, why is it plebeian to take milk in your tea?  ...  
> Personally, (as you may have guessed!) I also take tea 
> with milk (no sugar) and I think both Draco and Lucius 
> would too--and yes, definitely Early Grey--or a special 
> custom blend.
> 
> ...
>
> I actually think Hermione would take Lady Grey tea with a 
> dash of milk becuase it's very ladylike....
> 
> Harry and Ron you've nailed--mostly for the sugar. Hot, 
> sugary tea would be a staple amongst Hogwarts students, 
> much like treacle tart, I would think.
> 
> I actually think Albus would prefer Irish Breakfast tea--hot
> and strong, with milk and sugar. Either that or Chai tea, 
> because it's exotic. Albus is a bit of an enigma, with his
> strong tea and his lemon drops :-)
> 

bboyminn:

Ohhh..tea. First, I'm a hot (or cold) tea with lemon kind of
guy. Now that that is settled, could I indulge you all with
some general tea questions.

Milk - before or after? That is, tea in the cup and add milk,
or milk in the cup and add tea? One problem I have with milk 
in tea is that the tea cools down when you pour the milk in. 
Then I find myself drinking unpleasant luke-warm tea. As a 
side note, I don't mind artificial 'creamer' in my coffee, 
but it just doesn't seem to work the well with tea. 

Second, how is Lipton Tea regarded in the UK? Lipton is made 
from Orange Pekoe (which is not orange flavored) and other
Pekoe cut black teas. It is mild and slightly sweet, and I
love it. If find more sophisticated teas like Earl Grey a
little too strong. 

I love bottled Ice Tea (Lipton or Nestea with lemon). I try 
to convince myself it's healthier, but it has a lot of sugar 
in it. Nearly as much as most sodas. 

As to characters teas, getting back on topic, I have to wonder
whether Dumbledore is a strict traditionalist or if he has
a more adventurous spirit? Though, I suspect after 100 years
he is probably a bit bored with Earl Grey, and would try
a variety of herbal and flavored teas, or exotic teas from
the Far East.

I have to wonder if Dumbledore hasn't tried some Thai or
Vietnamese style teas that have condensed milk added to them.
They are usually very sweet and flavorful. 

Also, for Dumbledore, I think he would want a good strong
tea in the morning so, perhaps, Irish Breakfast tea is right.
Then as the day moves on, he would progress to milder teas, 
finally settling on a herbal tea in the evening. Though, I'm
sure he frequently adds something exotic to the mix.

Hermione I agree, would want a very lady like tea and want to
drink it in a very lady-like way. 

McGonagall, strictly Earl Grey in my book. A first rate no
nonsense tea. If it good enough for Captain Picard, it's
good enough for Prof. McGonagall.

Snape, I see him as a dark and strong black tea kind of guy. 

Ron and Harry, I think you've all got them pegged. Until the
end of the Series they are all drinking 'kid' tea; hot and
sweet with milk. As are most of the other students, with
the exception of those students who want to appear oh-so very
mature and sophisticated. 

In that light, Percy is also a strictly Earl Grey man. 

Draco and Lucius would want to drink a very traditional tea,
so either Earl Grey or a custom blend, though nothing to
exotic for everyday use. 

Just a few questions and thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 29 01:21:15 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:21:15 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <867633.79166.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fsk5ib+ctq6@eGroups.com>

> > 3. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte
> SSS:  Wow, this is a surprise. I didn't know, so tried to 
Google the clue about the 1st hit in the UK for a woman. You 
must have found a different title than I did.

Goddlefrood:

The song is by Kate Bush, I knew this one as it happened, 
being a some time afficionado of Ms. Bush's wrok.

> > 4. Heart of Midlothian - Sir Walter Scott
> SSS:  Can you tell me how you got this one, Gav? A friend of 
mine had all but #3 and #4, so I'm curious what clue did it for 
you in picking HoM? I knew it wasn't world cup soccer because 
"regularly every 50 years" isn't divisible by 4, which is the 
WC schedule, right?  But then I got lost.

Goddlefrood:

Heart of Midlothian is a football club based in Edinburgh. They 
have traditioanlly won the Scottish FA Cup every fifty years and 
are the Scots team I follow when inclined towards the North.

> > 13. The Civil Wars - Appian
> SSS:  I had the title easily but was unsure of the author.  
A friend of mine suggested Lucan rather than Appian.  So I 
checked with her, and the reason she knew it was Lucan is that 
the Appian CW is not in the Oxford World Classic list, while 
the Lucan is.

Goddlefrood:

May well be Lucan, although Appian is I think published by 
Oxford. That part I did check to make sure of some answers. 
My explanation for the 25 reference in the question is in an 
earlier post.

> > 14. The Consolation of Philosophy - Boetius
> SSS:  I did not get this, but again, a friend of mine differs 
in her deduction. She proposes Daphnis & Chloe.

Goddlefrood:

Then I must say she's unlikely to have read Daphnis & Chloe, 
which does not contain the original of the legend of Orpheus 
in the Underworld (the opera referred to in the clue)

>SSS:
> It's a little embarrassing how few of these I have read. :-|  
Are there any of you who have read some of these and would 
recommend to me which is/are your fav(s)?

Goddlefrood:

Well, I did enjoy Appian's Civil Wars ;-), which is why I 
inclined to it as the answer.

Vanity Fair is a very good read, funny in parts and interesting 
for its depiction of mid-Victorian London.

My two penn'orth.




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 29 01:25:00 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:25:00 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjlq2+ippg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsk5pc+5uhf@eGroups.com>

> > 7. Walden - Henry David Thoreau
 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Can you explain this one? I didn't understand it at all.

Goddlefrood:

Brian Walden was the presenter between Peter Jay and Matthew Parris 
of the program mentioned in the question, hence Walden.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Mar 29 03:41:49 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:41:49 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <867633.79166.qm@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fskdpt+l57j@eGroups.com>


>SSSusan: 
> It's a little embarrassing how few of these I have read. :-|  Are 
there any of you who have read some of these and would recommend to me 
which is/are your fav(s)?



Potioncat:
Not so long ago I came across a list of famous un-read books from 
literature---you know, books everyone's supposed to know, but 
supposedly no one really reads? I had read most of them. And some of 
them many times.

Oh the wonder of me!

So I'm now knocked off my smug horse, because I've read very few of the 
ones mentioned in this thread, and remember very little of the ones I 
have read.

Waves to SSSusan---good to see you!




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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Mar 29 07:31:24 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:31:24 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <fsh049+22ib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fskr8c+djn6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "xuxunette" <chonpschonps at ...> wrote:
>
>  I've been musing about how the HP characters take
> their tea.
>  
> I'd say Snape being from the north and a modest family
> would favor
> strong blends, and probably good Assam when he has the
> means - maybe
> with sugar, but never milk.

Geoff:
That's an interesting deduction with which I would disagree. 
:-)

My background is that of being from a modest family in the 
North and I have always taken milk with my tea. Along that 
line of beverages, the only thing I will occasionally drink 
without milk is coffee. 




From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 29 12:31:48 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:31:48 -0000
Subject: Harry Haters and the Lack of Proof
In-Reply-To: <f4.2d08765c.2c09923e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fslcrk+h8al@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Ripleywriter at ... wrote:
>
>
> Ok...I really think the only person who understood the point of my
post
> (which I thought was very clear, but *sigh* I suppose not) was
catlady, but that
> was only in response to the other part of my article that is tied to
bad
> supervision or faulty parenting.
>
> The rest of the people missed my point. I've been spinning myself in
circles
> trying to think of a way to make my point and my question clear, but
alas, I
> fear I'll only create more trouble for myself by having peopel
misinterpret it
> again, or maybe I wasn't clear enough, don't know, don't care. Just
drop the
> whole thing, ok?
>
> Melly

bdclark0423:

Here, I've been able to provide actual proof that could give cause for
fueling Harry Haters:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/j_k_rowling_hints_at_harry_potter
<http://www.theonion.com/content/video/j_k_rowling_hints_at_harry_potter\
>

After watching this video, I'm shocked that more parents haven't
banned or burned the entire Harry Potter series.  JK Rowling is truly
evil for implanting such perverse images in our children

After announcing Dumbledore's homosexuality, Hollywood, of course
responded in kind with it next release in the Harry Potter series:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7478701810868060871&q=harry+pott\
er&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7478701810868060871&q=harry+pot\
ter&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3>

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7478701810868060871&q=harry+pott\
er&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7478701810868060871&q=harry+pot\
ter&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3>

Basically, allowing children to be exposed to Harry Potter can only lead
them to the following lifestyle:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5971886157414845895&q=harry+pott\
er&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5971886157414845895&q=harry+pot\
ter&total=110799&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8>

bdclark0423




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From jnferr at gmail.com  Sat Mar 29 13:08:20 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:08:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <fskr8c+djn6@eGroups.com>
References: <fsh049+22ib@eGroups.com> <fskr8c+djn6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8ee758b40803290608q6e3e6d15pff1529666467e3c9@mail.gmail.com>

>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "xuxunette" <chonpschonps at ...>
> wrote:
> >
> >  I've been musing about how the HP characters take
> > their tea.
> >
> > I'd say Snape being from the north and a modest family
> > would favor
> > strong blends, and probably good Assam when he has the
> > means - maybe
> > with sugar, but never milk.
>
> Geoff:
> That's an interesting deduction with which I would disagree.
> :-)
>
> My background is that of being from a modest family in the
> North and I have always taken milk with my tea. Along that
> line of beverages, the only thing I will occasionally drink
> without milk is coffee.


montims:
and ditto from me.  I disagreed with all of the original poster's
deductions.  I agree Northerners like strong teas, but they usually drink it
with milk (and often with sugar, in my experience), and the average Brit has
no idea about Assam, or Darjeeling, or herbal teas...  I would pin Snape as
a PG Tips or Typhoo kind of guy, as in fact I would nost of the rest, the
only difference being in how strong/weak/sweet they take it.  When Brits
visit me in America, and see me drinking fruit teas, or my husband drinking
iced tea (something I still can't bring myself to do), they shudder and
exclaim... It's not "real tea", you see...  Tea is what you ask for in a
cafe, when they hand you a hot mugful, already milked...  No poncy holding
out a box full of different tea bags filled with tasteless dust to dip in
your barely hot water, which will be flavoured by the lemon wedge they
provide here...
While we're kind of on the subject - maybe this is one for Carol :)  - why
do Americans call it cream, and use a creamer, when what they mean is milk,
please?  My first few times of visiting places for coffee, and being offered
cream, I was thrilled, as I envisaged little jugs of thick yellow delight.
I drink my coffee black usually, but for that pleasure I would indulge.  But
no... it means (usually) little plastic tubs of skimmed, pasteurized milk,
or else a jug of ditto.  Then again, the fancier places ask me if I want
cream in my tea, which sounds disgusting, so I say no, just milk, and they
explain that is what they meant all along...  I've never really understood
that one...


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From specialcritters at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 29 13:20:20 2008
From: specialcritters at hotmail.com (Lee Truslow)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:20:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803290608q6e3e6d15pff1529666467e3c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fsh049+22ib@eGroups.com> <fskr8c+djn6@eGroups.com>
 <8ee758b40803290608q6e3e6d15pff1529666467e3c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY138-W3068CE52CA29C7295B8904B2F80@phx.gbl>


I agree with you on that, along with margarine being "butter." I refuse to fall into either trap, but it sure annoys me when others do!!


To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.comFrom: jnferr at gmail.comDate: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:08:20 -0500Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea.




whydo Americans call it cream, and use a creamer, when what they mean is milk,please? My first few times of visiting places for coffee, and being offeredcream, I was thrilled, as I envisaged little jugs of thick yellow delight.I drink my coffee black usually, but for that pleasure I would indulge. Butno... it means (usually) little plastic tubs of skimmed, pasteurized milk,or else a jug of ditto. Then again, the fancier places ask me if I wantcream in my tea, which sounds disgusting, so I say no, just milk, and theyexplain that is what they meant all along... I've never really understoodthat one...[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 






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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 29 17:03:41 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:03:41 -0400
Subject: Dispensing Sugar (was Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**)
In-Reply-To: <fsjjku+e60i@eGroups.com>
References: <8ee758b40803271900x6450bd76g3399685ab4e61304@mail.gmail.com>
 <fsjjku+e60i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c891be$d7601070$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

[Carol]:
| In the U.S. (where we use granulated sugar, or, rarely, sugar cubes)
| for coffee or tea, we just have a sugar bowl (with a lid) and, often,
| a matching creamer (cream pitcher):

[Lee]:
Ah--but think back to about 20-something years ago before diners and
restaurants started using packets of sugar; remember the old sugar shakers,
some of which would get stuck and you'd have to unscrew the lid and clear
the pour-tap??  Some had just a hole, some had a sort of flippy thing on the
top.  I loved those better than the packets!!

Cheers,

Lee :-)
(Who only drinks her coffee neat, black, straight...whatever your
terminology for "unpolluted")

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I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 29 17:08:06 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:08:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Castor sugar
In-Reply-To: <fsjndl+634h@eGroups.com>
References: <b6e131bf0803281317g2e14fd73y39c79afa13824e1b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000701c891bf$74d84250$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

| Geoff:
| My dictionary  gives both as alternative versions but, in 
| practice, I have 
| always seen it spelt as caster on commercial packaging.

[Lee]:
Well, makes sense as one is "casting" the sugar and just as one might be a
spell caster, one might be a sugar caster. :-)

Le :-)





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 29 17:15:22 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:15:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea. - ... More
 Tea
In-Reply-To: <fsjv31+f6d9@eGroups.com>
References: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB5DF457@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>
 <fsjv31+f6d9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000801c891c0$78be39a0$67a4a8c0@FRODO>

Hermione has definitely turned to coffee in the mornings; from OOTP on, she
is often referred to as drinking coffee in the morning.  After that, and for
calming and comfort reasons, she turns to tea and, IMO, possibly a chamomile
with maybe a bit of mint.

Smile,

Lee :-)





From marion11111 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 29 21:53:36 2008
From: marion11111 at yahoo.com (marion11111)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:53:36 -0000
Subject: Dispensing Sugar (was Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**)
In-Reply-To: <000601c891be$d7601070$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fsmdp0+eg9e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm(God Is The Healing 
Force)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
> [Lee]:
> Ah--but think back to about 20-something years ago before diners and
> restaurants started using packets of sugar; remember the old sugar 
shakers,
> some of which would get stuck and you'd have to unscrew the lid and 
clear
> the pour-tap??  Some had just a hole, some had a sort of flippy 
thing on the
> top.  I loved those better than the packets!!
> 


This is why the cheap roadside diners used to put grains of rice in 
the sugar shakers.  It kept the sugar from clumping in the summer 
humidity of the Midwest.

marion




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 30 01:36:41 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:36:41 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
Message-ID: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>

bdclark wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35733>:

<< When you hear a conversation that is so heavily diluted with
vulgarity and cuss words, the power of those words also becomes
diluted. >>

I read someplace that revered anthropologist Ned Hall wrote that that
was precisely the purpose of all that cussing in the armed forces -
that putting the f-word two or three times per sentence signaled that
everything was normal, while a sentence without the f-word signaled
that this is URGENT.

Montims wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35741>:

<< I just read the BBC news article saying that JKR had suicidal
thoughts when her first marriage finished, and only her daughter and
the counselling she received put an end to her thoughts of suicide.
She recommends counselling for others in that situation.  >>

I saw that interview 
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7310534.stm>. In it she
said: "The funny thing is, I have never been remotely ashamed of
having been depressed. Never. I think I'm abnormally shameless on that
account because what's to be ashamed of?" 

I think she IS ashamed of having experienced clinical depression,
because she has kept saying she isn't ashamed, through years of
interviews.

<http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2000/0700-hottype-solomon.htm>

<< Um, I was depressed, um, I'd say - would it be 1994 - I did suffer
a spell of what I was told was clinical depression. I don't know, I
was told it was. Yeah, I was depressed for a while. I'm not ashamed of
that, plenty of people get depressed and I've never suffered from it
again and I got through it. >> 

I'm sure I've read quotes in which she sounded even more defensive
about it than that one, but unfortunately I don't have hours to search
Accio Quote.

bdclark wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35746>:

<< Someone we're both familiar with reminds us of this power: 'The
fear of a name, only increases the thing for itself' >>

And lack of fear of the name gets you caught by the Taboo and captured
by the DE Ministry (it's hard to distinguish between them at that
point). I keep wondering if the Taboo were already in effect during
Vold War I, and was responsible for so many members of the Order of
the Phoenix (trained by DD not to fear a name) being killed.

I hope not. Despite DD's flaws, I think he's good enough at magic to
have detected the Taboo, and I hate to think he'd throw his followers'
lives away for something that didn't even advance his plans.

Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35748>:

<< it's much easier to base your conduct on the way you wish to be
treated than it is to know or assume or guess how the other person
wishes to be treated. >>

But presumably part of how you wish to be treated is that people
interacting with you should make a little bit of effort to find out
how you want to be treated. One hears of intercultural problems, such
as people from a culture in which one shows respect to an elder or an
employer by gazing downward are felt by an American potential employer
to be showing DISrespect by not looking him/her in the eye. 

One may think that a potential employee should take some effort to
find out what the employer wants in order to do it, or one may think
that the employer should take a little effort to find out if the
potential employee really intends to be disrespectful rather than
jumping to a conclusion. Either way, the relationship is less
unpleasant if the people know a little more about what the other
person intends.

There is a similar conflict within our one culture about first-naming.
Letters to advice and etiquette columnists used to be full of people
complaining about receptionists, bank tellers, wait staff, etc,
calling them by their first name instead of Mr, Mrs, Miss, or Ms. I
suspect the other people were just trying to be civil and courteous,
and treat the customers as they themselves wanted to be treated, not
trying to be disrespectful. Now that the employers seem to have made
rules about calling the customers Mr, Mrs, Miss, Ms, I know women who
feel offended at being called Ms and women who feel offended at being
called other than Ms.

Hillel said: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to others." In
some ways, that has the same problem: it is hateful to the potential
employee to be looked straight in the eye by a subordinate, it is
hateful to this woman I know to be called Ms. In other ways, there are
a lot more things that almost all humans agree are hateful than that
almost all humans agree are desirable, such as secretly being poisoned.

Ali wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35759>:

<< Doesn't treacle tart require golden syrup, a product generally
unavailable state-side? (Of course, the replacement of corn syrup can
always be made.) >>

Didn't OT begin with discussions of treacle tarts, in which Americans
were told to use 'light molasses' in place of 'golden syrup' and
presented recipies resembling pecan pie or shoo-fly pie?

Goddlefrood wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35811>:

<< Vanity Fair I read when I was about 14. My brother had it as his
school project, took it with him on a family holiday, couldn't read
it, so I did. I remember it being the longest book I'd read up to that
time, which didn't make it any less enjoyable. I finished it in two
sittings, iirc, liked it a great deal. A superb portrait of
mid-Victorian life, and funny too. >>

Mid-Victorian? I may be terribly confused. My recollection is that
Vanity Fair, by Thackery, is largely about one Becky Sharpe but also
is one of the books with a depiction of the Battle of Waterloo? Early
19th century rather than late 19th century? Bustles far from being
invented yet?

Ali wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35824>:

<< I have no idea whether it's castor or caster, having seen
both used. >>

Caster, as Lee Storm indicated, is one who or that which casts, while
Castor is a beaver who is a charioteer.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 30 03:49:26 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:49:26 -0000
Subject: Easter
Message-ID: <fsn2k6+iscg@eGroups.com>

Potioncat wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/182243>:

<< I felt very uncomfortable in church on Easter Sunday. We were
singing a standard Easter hymn and I kept thinking, "This sounds like
Harry's story." I felt compelled to bring myself back to the here and
now and away from the Potterverse. >>

Movie theatre mewspaper ad once upon a time:
Our Easter Special!
"Dracula Has Risen From the Grave"




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 04:28:36 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:28:36 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
In-Reply-To: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsn4tk+8lcb@eGroups.com>

> Goddlefrood wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35811>:

> << Vanity Fair <Blah> A superb portrait of mid-Victorian life, 
> and funny too. >>

Catlady:
 
> Mid-Victorian? I may be terribly confused. My recollection is 
> that Vanity Fair, by Thackery, is largely about one Becky Sharpe 
> but also is one of the books with a depiction of the Battle of 
> Waterloo? Early 19th century rather than late 19th century? 
> Bustles far from being invented yet?

Goddlefrood:

Ah, but you see it is a book very much of the times it was written 
in, notwithstanding when it was set.

Mid-Victorian ish, written in 1848.





From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 05:59:01 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:59:01 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
In-Reply-To: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsna75+4seq@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> bdclark wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35733>:
>
> << When you hear a conversation that is so heavily diluted with
> vulgarity and cuss words, the power of those words also becomes
> diluted. >>
>
> I read someplace that revered anthropologist Ned Hall wrote that that
> was precisely the purpose of all that cussing in the armed forces -
> that putting the f-word two or three times per sentence signaled that
> everything was normal, while a sentence without the f-word signaled
> that this is URGENT.
>


bdclark0423:

Last time I checked, I wasn't part of military, nor were these
eighth graders wanting to have the ban on bad language.  In fact,
percentage of Military vs. Civilians is so low, that I'm almost
embarrassed I'm actually responding to this reference.  However, I'm
sure there's good reason why there was need to create this posting  [:)]



bdclark0423.



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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 30 06:22:41 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:22:41 -0000
Subject: Cussing
In-Reply-To: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsnbjh+coaj@eGroups.com>

Catlady (me) wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35850>;
<<(snip) in the armed forces - that putting the f-word two or three
times per sentence signaled that everything was normal, while a
sentence without the f-word signaled that this is URGENT. >>

To which, bdclark0423 replied in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35853>:

<< Last time I checked, I wasn't part of military, nor were these
eighth graders wanting to have the ban on bad language. In fact,
percentage of Military vs. Civilians is so low, that I'm almost
embarrassed I'm actually responding to this reference. However, I'm
sure there's good reason why there was need to create this posting 
[:)] >>

Hey, I thought I was *agreeing* with you! I thought you said that
heavy use of expletives makes the speaker and listener get used to
them so that they are no longer shocking and not very effective at
expressing anger or whatever. So I mentioned an example in which heavy
use of expletives made the speaker and listener get so used to them
that their presence was totally normal and their absence was shocking.





From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 06:31:30 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:31:30 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
In-Reply-To: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsnc42+upjv@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)"
<catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> bdclark wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/35746>:
>
> << Someone we're both familiar with reminds us of this power: 'The
> fear of a name, only increases the thing for itself' >>
>
> And lack of fear of the name gets you caught by the Taboo and captured
> by the DE Ministry (it's hard to distinguish between them at that
> point). I keep wondering if the Taboo were already in effect during
> Vold War I, and was responsible for so many members of the Order of
> the Phoenix (trained by DD not to fear a name) being killed.
>
> I hope not. Despite DD's flaws, I think he's good enough at magic to
> have detected the Taboo, and I hate to think he'd throw his followers'
> lives away for something that didn't even advance his plans.
>
> Carol

bdclark:

I think this was taken a little bit out of context.  Yes, I did quote
Hermione regarding Voldermort, but the concept is still the same here
and I never meant to go into the direction of the taboo created in
Deathly Hallows.

A word is a word is a word.  We humans give meaning to those
words
.so as an infant, you see the red hot light of the stovetop
and as you try to reach out and touch it, Mom yells `NO! HOT! Burn,
Burn, Burn!'  The child, most likely will test that out, touch it
and discover that it is HOT, and that it burns, and that is causes pain.

So
.when the child is playing at Grandma's house, and is a
little close to the out-dated radiator, Mom starts to yell, NO! HOT!
Burn, Burn, Burn!

What is that child going to imagine?

The red hot light?  The fact that Mom is yelling? The pain associated
with the last time there was the same warning given?

The fear is increased by only mentioning the name itself.

The human psyche is very complex, but we tend to make associations
sometimes, that may not actually be correct, but occur nonetheless. If
we put fear into a name (like fearing the evil power of Voldemort) or
prejudice (like all poofters wear purple robes) etc, we only increase
our cognizant understanding of that word, rather than trying to really
get to know it
.

(You tell me we're having seafood tonight, all I can think about are
those nasty, improperly cooked fish-sticks I was served in elementary
school, and I find some way to fill my belly with something else)

Best,

bdclark0423



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From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 06:37:32 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:37:32 -0000
Subject: Cussing
In-Reply-To: <fsnbjh+coaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsncfc+8mf0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
> 
> Hey, I thought I was *agreeing* with you! I thought you said that
> heavy use of expletives makes the speaker and listener get used to
> them so that they are no longer shocking and not very effective at
> expressing anger or whatever. So I mentioned an example in which 
heavy
> use of expletives made the speaker and listener get so used to them
> that their presence was totally normal and their absence was 
shocking.
>

bdclark:
yeah, ok, I would say it is the same thing....(he he he he....) 
[insert nervous type of laughter here]

cheers,

bdclark




From s.hayes at qut.edu.au  Sun Mar 30 08:45:09 2008
From: s.hayes at qut.edu.au (Sharon Hayes)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:45:09 +1000
Subject: rewriting DH
Message-ID: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB95510E@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>

Hi all,

Some time ago on the main list, someone expressed a challenge for people who were unhappy with DH to rewrite some bits of it to their wishes.  I think it might have been Geoff B?  or was it Mike. Not sure. In any case, I have indulged my inner creative muse and have rewritten DH from chapter 23 onwards ("Malfoy Manor"). Of course, I am no JKR, and I know most of you probably hate fanfiction, but I thought there might be one or two of you who'd be interested in seeing Draco being redeemed in my version of DH.  It's archived on Hex Files, and has a Harry/Draco ship, but no p0rn, I assure you :-)

I would love some feedback, and if anyone else has dared to challenge JKRs DH, I would love to read that too, regardless of ships or no. I have yet to read any other such challenges.

here's the link:

http://www.thehexfiles.net/viewstory.php?sid=10415

Sharon :-)



From jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 30 09:29:11 2008
From: jaynesmith62 at btinternet.com (Jayne)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:29:11 -0000
Subject: rewriting DH
In-Reply-To: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB95510E@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <fsnmh7+3ht0@eGroups.com>

--- > Hi all,
> 
> Some time ago on the main list, someone expressed a challenge for 
people who were unhappy with DH to rewrite some bits of it to their 
wishes.  I think it might have been Geoff B?  or was it Mike. Not sure. 
In any case, I have indulged my inner creative muse and have rewritten 
DH from chapter 23 onwards ("Malfoy Manor"). Of course, I am no JKR, 
and I know most of you probably hate fanfiction, but I thought there 
might be one or two of you who'd be interested in seeing Draco being 
redeemed in my version of DH.  It's archived on Hex Files, and has a 
Harry/Draco ship, but no p0rn, I assure you :-)
 
> Sharon :-)


Why would people want to rewrite DH ?IMHO it was her second best book 
(OotP was the best ). It tied everything up nicely for me.

Jayne just delurking




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 30 11:02:59 2008
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann Jennings)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:02:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Castor sugar
Message-ID: <711243.78833.qm@web25813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Geoff:

>>>My dictionary gives both as alternative versions
but, in practice, I have always seen it spelt as
caster on commercial packaging.<<<

Lee:

>>>Well, makes sense as one is "casting" the sugar and
just as one might be a spell caster, one might be a
sugar caster. :-)<<<

Mary Ann:

It probably is caster sugar.  I can't check in my
cupboard, because I used up the last of that sugar for
making my son's birthday cake last week and I haven't
had a chance to replenish my baking cupboard.  The
brownies my daughter and I made yesterday contained
table sugar...shock, horror!

Mary Ann, who loves home baking, but eats way too much
of it





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Date: 30 Mar 2008 15:44:36 -0000
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Date: 30 Mar 2008 17:40:26 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/30/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 17:52:09 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:52:09 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803290608q6e3e6d15pff1529666467e3c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fsok09+mfo4@eGroups.com>

---  Janette <jnferr at ...> wrote:
>
> >

> 
> 
> montims:
> ...
> While we're kind of on the subject - maybe this is one for 
> Carol :)  - why do Americans call it cream, and use a 
> creamer, when what they mean is milk, please?
>

bboyminn:

Well, because at one time, it was cream. Then we all decided
we didn't want to drop over dead from heart attacks, and
we switched to a cheaper Half-and-Half, but eventually concluded
that too was a heart attack and 50 pound of extra weight just
waiting to happen. So, we switched to whole milk, but even 
that carried dangers from excess fat. Now we are down to 
coffee creamer, and 2% or skim milk. But the progression to
lower and lower fat stems from our use of rich tasty but
deadly cream in our coffee and tea. 

Speaking of deadly coffee, I once met a man who liked to put
butter in his coffee. i'm pretty sure he is dead now.

At one time their was a law suit against makers of 'coffee
creamer' claiming it was false advertising as it was not
powered 'cream'. So, the started calling it coffee 'whitener',
but eventually decided that 'creamER' was different that flat
out saying it was cream, and now it is back to coffee cream.

Personally, I used 50% powerdered coffee creamer combined with
50% powdered milk. Coffee creamer is after all just Corn Syrup
and vegetable oil, and I question how healthy it really is. 

But neither creamer or powdered milk seems to mix very well
with tea for some reason; OK in coffee, but not in tea. 

Some people do put real cream in their coffee, but that is 
rare. Most coffee shops offer additional half-and-half or
whole milk that you can add to your already calorie ladened
coffee drink, which I do on the rare occasion that I drink
gourmet coffee shop coffee. 

Hope that helps.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 19:01:04 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:01:04 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsjqo1+cso2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsoo1g+ngn4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Christian Stub?
<pengolodh_sc at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, "Carol" wrote:
> >[snip]
> > > But this is what a caster is:
> > > http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/
> sugar_casters.html 
> [snip]
> > Thank you! How elegant. The casters look like expensive salt shakers
> > only bigger.
> 
> You mean you could actually access the site?  I've been trying for 
> hours, only getting 404-error messages - it's the same with the main 
> site www.ifranks.com.  Might be a DNS-error with my ISP - anybody 
> know if 83.223.101.110 is the correct IP-address for www.ifranks.com?
> 
> Best regards
> Christian Stub?
>


bboyminn:

The link above is broken because it has had a Carriage Return 
forced into it by Word Wrap. 

When this happens online, I click Reply and pull the line back
together, then cut and paste it into the Address Bar.

http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/sugar_casters.html 

Here is the same link which I'm pretty sure will NOT have word
wrap forced into it, and should work.

The link is to a website that has an assortment of fancy silver
Sugar Shakers, or 'casters'. I think as others have pointed out 
elsewhere in this thread, 'caster' is some one or something that 
'casts', or throws. So if you want to 'throw' some sugar into
your coffee or tea, you 'throw' it with a sugar caster.

Steve/bboyminn




From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 30 19:32:35 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:32:35 -0000
Subject: rewriting DH
In-Reply-To: <fsnmh7+3ht0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsopsj+f535@eGroups.com>

 Hi all,
> > 
> > Some time ago on the main list, someone expressed a challenge for 
> people who were unhappy with DH to rewrite some bits of it to their 
> wishes.  I think it might have been Geoff B?  or was it Mike. Not 
sure. 
> In any case, I have indulged my inner creative muse and have 
rewritten 
> DH from chapter 23 onwards ("Malfoy Manor"). Of course, I am no 
JKR, 
> and I know most of you probably hate fanfiction, but I thought 
there 
> might be one or two of you who'd be interested in seeing Draco 
being 
> redeemed in my version of DH. 
 
Jayne:

> Why would people want to rewrite DH ?IMHO it was her second best 
book 
> (OotP was the best ). It tied everything up nicely for me.

Magpie:
She  said somebody offered it as a challenge and she took them up on 
it. I assume that's why.

It seems the challenge came as a response to the many people who 
didn't like it or thought it was poor. Though that doesn't always 
lead to wanting to re-write it.

-m




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 19:32:46 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:32:46 -0000
Subject: Sugar Shakers (was: Full English Breakfast...**Brown Sauce**)
In-Reply-To: <fsjjku+e60i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsopsu+i6jh@eGroups.com>

--- "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> montims:
> ...
>  Granulated sugar crystals are about twice as big as caster
> sugar crystals.  Oh dear...
> > 
> > But this is what a caster is:
> > http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/sugar_casters.html 
> > 
> > It shakes out the caster sugar...
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> Thank you! How elegant. The casters look like expensive salt 
> shakers only bigger.
> 
> ...
> 
> Carol, who actually uses powdered creamer (Coffeemate) for 
> her coffee and rarely uses her creamer (unless she has guests
> who like milk in their coffee--I don't 'cause it cools off 
> the coffee!)
>


bboyminn:
 
Who knew such mundane things could be so interesting? 

America does have it's own tradition of fancy-schmancy sugar
shakers as seen at this link -

http://www.atlantaantiquegallery.com/wsm/c-538_sugar_shakers.html

The more common Classic American Sugar Shakers can be seen here-

The absolute CLASSIC Sugar Shaker as found in cafes and
restaurants across the country-
http://www.fotosearch.com/DGT142/ofi0037/

My mother uses one for Lefse.

Similar with a slight different top and pour spout-
http://www.nj.com/homegarden/design/index.ssf/2008/03/sugar_shaker_art_a_sweet_pour.html

Also very common in Cafes and Restaurants.

Similar to above, but with a plastic top-
http://www.tias.com/cgi-bin/google.fcgi/itemKey=1923141024

Here is a baker's sugar shaker for dusting bunt cakes etc...
http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/2061364/index.cfm?clg=36&bnrid=3180501&cm_ven=FRO&cm_cat=Shopping&cm_pla=ctlpsti&cm_ite=Mesh%20Sugar%20Shaker

Few people use these, as they are used so rarely and there are other
means for achieving the same thing.

Just for fun.

Steve/bboyminn





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar 30 20:25:16 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:25:16 -0000
Subject: rewriting DH
In-Reply-To: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB95510E@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>
Message-ID: <fsosvc+58h7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Sharon Hayes <s.hayes at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> Some time ago on the main list, someone expressed a challenge for people who were 
unhappy with DH to rewrite some bits of it to their wishes.  I think it might have been Geoff 
B?  or was it Mike..

Geoff:
Not me guv.




From s.hayes at qut.edu.au  Sun Mar 30 22:49:00 2008
From: s.hayes at qut.edu.au (Sharon Hayes)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:49:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: rewriting DH
In-Reply-To: <fsopsj+f535@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <C60A9225A0D48940AF6592088F83BC712BBB5DF463@QUTEXMBX03.qut.edu.au>

Jayne:

> Why would people want to rewrite DH ?IMHO it was her second best
book
> (OotP was the best ). It tied everything up nicely for me.

Magpie:
She said somebody offered it as a challenge and she took them up on
it. I assume that's why.

It seems the challenge came as a response to the many people who
didn't like it or thought it was poor. Though that doesn't always
lead to wanting to re-write it.

Sharon:
LOL. I love all the books too, but I agree with some others that certain characters didn't get their due in the end. And that Epilogue was atrocious IMHO. It was fun to rewrite. very Carthartic :-)




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 02:15:43 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:15:43 -0000
Subject: The willing suspension of disbelief
Message-ID: <fsphgf+j8u1@eGroups.com>

Since several posters on the main list are discussing the willing
suspension of disbelief in relation to Harry Potter (with an apparent
small difference of opinion regarding the meaning of the phrase, as
well as a difference in their willingness to suspend disbelief in DH),
I thought I'd bring up the original context of the phrase from Samuel
Taylor Coleridge's "Biographia Literaria." He and his friend William
Wordsworth were writing a book of poetry called "Lyrical Ballads"
together, with Wordsworth's poems relating to everyday life (over
which he intended to throw a coloring of Imagination) and Coleridge's
poems being about the supernatural, which, naturally, required a
suspension of the rational reader's disbelief to have their intended
effect (essentially, suspense and terror, preferably with our hair
standing on end--Ever read the unfinished "Christabel" or 'The Rime of
the Ancient Mariner"? "I fear thee, ancient Mariner! I fear thy skinny
hand!")

Here's the relevant excerpt from "Biographia Literaria":

"The thought suggested itself (to which of us I do not recollect) that
a series of poems might be composed of two sorts. In the one, the
incidents and agents were to be, in part at least, supernatural; and
the excellence aimed at was to consist in the interesting of the
affections by the dramatic truth of such emotions as would naturally
accompany such situations, supposing them real. And real in this sense
they have been to every human being who, from whatever source of
delusion, has at any time believed himself under supernatural agency.
For the second class, subjects were to be chosen from ordinary life;
the characters and incidents were to be such, as will be found in
every village and its vicinity, where there is a meditative and
feeling mind to seek after them, or to notice them, when they present
themselves.

"In this idea originated the plan of the 'Lyrical Ballads'; in which
it was agreed, that my endeavours should be directed to persons and
characters supernatural, or at least romantic, yet so as to transfer
from our inward nature a human interest and a semblance of truth
sufficient to procure for these shadows of imagination that willing
suspension of disbelief for the moment, which constitutes poetic
faith. Mr. Wordsworth on the other hand was to propose to himself as
his object, to give the charm of novelty to things of every day, and
to excite a feeling analogous to the supernatural, by awakening the
mind's attention from the lethargy of custom, and directing it to the
loveliness and the wonders of the world before us; an inexhaustible
treasure, but for which in consequence of the film of familiarity and
selfish solicitude we have eyes, yet see not, ears that hear not, and
hearts that neither feel nor understand."

This passage is central to Romanticism; it's like Golpalott's Law in
that, if you understand it, you understand at least the essence of
Romantic poetry (and fiction: I'm sure that Coleridge would have felt
right at home with "Wuthering Heights" had he lived thirteen years
longer). To enjoy "Wuthering Heights" and feel any kind of sympathy or
empathy for Heathcliff (no small feat given some of his villainous
tendencies and his disposition), we have to willingly suspend our
disbelief in ghosts. 

Obviously, the moment that Dumbledore appears out of thin air dressed
like a Disneyfied Merlin and starts unlighting the street lamps with
the Putter-Outer, we know that we'll have to suspend our disbelief,
not just for the moment, as Coleridge says regarding his "lyrical
ballads," none of which is more than ten or fifteen pages long, but
for at least the few hundred pages of the first book (and possibly for
about four thousand, or however long the series is). Some of us are in
a state of permanent belief suspension if that makes any sense. IOW,
her world is so real that in some part of our minds, the WW and its
characters actually exist, so we actually go around talking about
whether some favorite character is "really" dead.

I don't think that Coleridge was talking about what Betsy HP mentioned
onlist, the author's responsibility to create a world and characters
and situations that the reader can believe in. He was simply aiming at
the creation of a particular effect (or, rather, a particular
*affect*, in the sense of an emotion or set of emotions experienced by
the reader).

JKR, OTOH, is writing about Wizards and magic, and whether she's
aiming at setting a mood or establishing backstory or creating
suspense or attempting to establish empathy, her books require us to
keep our disbelief on hold from beginning to end. how well the story
is told has nothing to do with it, nor does the possibility of an
alternate "better" plot in which someone besides Dumbledore knows
what's going on and the Wizards put up a fight to save their world.
The moment we accept that Wizards and magic exist, that a green-lit
spell can kill anyone it hits except the Boy who Lived, we've
suspended our disbelief, whether we like the way the series ended or
not. Just discussing the WW and Dumbledore as if they were real (all
the while knowing in some part of our minds that it's all just words
on paper and the result of readers' minds interacting with the
author's imagination in its paper incarnation) involves the willing
suspension of disbelief, as does admiring or liking or criticizing the
characters as people (as opposed to analyzing them as, say, variations
on character types established in the Gothic novel or Snape as Byronic
hero or something of that sort).

Possibly, Betsy is thinking of verisimilitude, a state in which
characters and events have the appearance of truth (within the world
of a particular novel). It's not the same as realism, which resembles
the real world of the writer. For example, for Betsy, the robbery of
Gringotts violates verisimilitude because, for her, it exceeds the
limits of probability even within JKR's imaginary world. (I have my
own moments "That wouldn't happen" "Or that's not right. She's
forgotten such and such a detail" moments that jerk me into awareness
that I'm holding a book in my hand and reading words on a page, but
those moments don't take away the world and characters and magic that
I in some sense believe in, the world that's real for me as I read
even when particular moments (the letter from Sirius is one, Ron
knowing about Draco's Hand of Glory is another) seem like errors.
(Until I came up with the *to me* satisfactory explanation that
Voldemort must have used the word "Horcrux" in front of Kreacher,
Regulus's figuring out what a Horcrux is was another such moment.)

Carol, not sure whether Coleridge and his sometime-friend Wordsworth
belonged on the main list or not and deciding it was best to post
about them here



 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 02:20:52 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:20:52 -0000
Subject: The willing suspension of disbelief
In-Reply-To: <fsphgf+j8u1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsphq4+hdp2@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> Since several posters on the main list are discussing the willing
suspension of disbelief <snip>, I thought I'd bring up the original
context of the phrase from Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Biographia
Literaria." 

Carol again:

Sorry. Forgot to post the link on the off chance that anyone wants to
explore Coleridge's theory of the Imagination a little farther:

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/biographia.html

Carol, who thinks that Coleridge was a greater genius than Wordsworth,
opium addiction or no




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 02:25:16 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:25:16 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
In-Reply-To: <fsjm2f+b7po@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fspi2c+56vc@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> <SNIP>
> >> And someone had a "single" in the sense of a hit song called
"Wuthering Heights"?
> <SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
> 
> yes, I did totally :)
>
Carol:

Can you upload it for me? I want to see and hear you singing it! Or
how about just the lyrics, CMC style? <vbg>

Seriously, goddlefrood. Was that what you meant, or was "single"
intended in the sense of single-volume novel?

Carol, who was thinking in terms of, say, Petula Clark and "Don't
Sleep in the Subway Darling" when she read this question :-0 !!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 02:40:34 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:40:34 -0000
Subject: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**
In-Reply-To: <fsjqo1+cso2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fspiv2+5mdv@eGroups.com>

Montims:
> > > But this is what a caster is:
> > > http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/
> sugar_casters.html 

Carol:
> > Thank you! How elegant. The casters look like expensive salt
shakers only bigger.

Christian: 
> You mean you could actually access the site?  I've been trying for 
hours, only getting 404-error messages - it's the same with the main
site www.ifranks.com. <snip>
>
Carol responds:

Yes. It worked perfectly for me (on Netscape 7.2, which I still prefer
to the fancy new browsers). The link as you have it above is broken
and would require copying and pasting in the last part. Here's the
whole link again:

http://www.ifranks.com/silverware/sugar_casters/sugar_casters.html

If that doesn't work, try their home page at 

http://www.ifranks.com/index.html (Not www.ifranks.com)

Carol, hoping that the links work 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 02:57:30 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:57:30 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea. - ... More Tea
In-Reply-To: <fsjv31+f6d9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fspjuq+4ibq@eGroups.com>

bboyminn wrote:
> 
> Ohhh..tea. First, I'm a hot (or cold) tea with lemon kind of guy.
Now that that is settled, could I indulge you all with some general
tea questions.
> 
> Milk - before or after? That is, tea in the cup and add milk, or
milk in the cup and add tea? One problem I have with milk in tea is
that the tea cools down when you pour the milk in. Then I find myself
drinking unpleasant luke-warm tea. As a side note, I don't mind
artificial 'creamer' in my coffee, but it just doesn't seem to work
the well with tea. <snip>

Carol responds: 

I don't drink hot tea unless I'm ill, and I'd never put milk in it. (I
use powdered creamer in coffee partly for the reason you state, that
milk makes the coffee cold. I don't like the taste of half-and-half;
somehow, Coffeemate tastes the way I imagined cream to taste, sweet
and rich and creamy, not sour like real cream. And I like to watch it
dissolving as the heated molecules chase each other in the cup, always
counter-clockwise like water going down a drain in the Northern
hemisphere, if I'm remembering correctly. (It's 7:53 p.m. and I'm not
going to make coffee at this hour to verify my observations!)
Seriously, I don't care about chemicals. I care about how it tastes
and whether the coffee is hot.

As for cold tea, I'm with you. A glass of Lipton iced tea with lemon
can be refreshing though I'd rather have an Arnold Palmer. (I don't
know if the Brits on the list know what an Arnold Palmer is: It's a
combination of iced tea and lemonade (I like it with raspberry
lemonade), named after a famous American golfer of the 1950s and '60s.

Carol, who snipped the HP character's tea preferences but thinks that
Severus prefers the blude-rede wine (as in "the ballad of sir Patrik
Spens") to tea any day




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 03:25:41 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:25:41 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <8ee758b40803290608q6e3e6d15pff1529666467e3c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fspljl+2pgv@eGroups.com>

montims wrote:
>
> While we're kind of on the subject - maybe this is one for Carol :)
 - why do Americans call it cream, and use a creamer, when what they
mean is milk, please?  My first few times of visiting places for
coffee, and being offered cream, I was thrilled, as I envisaged little
jugs of thick yellow delight.

> I drink my coffee black usually, but for that pleasure I would
indulge.  But no... it means (usually) little plastic tubs of skimmed,
pasteurized milk, or else a jug of ditto.  Then again, the fancier
places ask me if I want cream in my tea, which sounds disgusting, so I
say no, just milk, and they explain that is what they meant all
along...  I've never really understood that one...

Carol responds:

I've never seen little tubs of skim milk, only half-and-half (half
cream, half whole milk) or liquid creamer, which is liquefied
Coffeemate or something similar, AFAIK. I know people who put milk,
even two percent milk (never skim--gah!) in their coffee at home, but
not in a restaurant.

According to a website I just found, half-and-half is mainly used in
beverages and doesn't whip. It has about half the butterfat of what
the British call "single cream." (I've only heard "whipping cream,"
"heavy cream," etc. in the States.) Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.joyofbaking.com/Cream.html

Carol, who likes coffee creamer and ice cream but not real cream,
which tastes sour and heavy to me





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 03:33:17 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:33:17 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <BAY138-W3068CE52CA29C7295B8904B2F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <fspm1t+105qp@eGroups.com>

Montims: 
> why do Americans call it cream, and use a creamer, when what they
mean is milk,please? M

Lee: 
> I agree with you on that, along with margarine being "butter." I
refuse to fall into either trap, but it sure annoys me when others do!!

Carol responds:
I've already answered Montims regarding cream in coffee (we mean
half-and-half, not milk). as for calling margarine "butter," I
sometimes do that at home simply because it's easier and seems less
pretentious, but everyone involved knows that it's margarine, not
butter. And, as I'm sure you've guessed, I prefer margarine to butter,
anyway. Sure, it has some saturated fat but it doesn't have
preservatives, it can be kept out at room temperature without
spoiling, and, IMO, it tastes better. (i still remember going to a
pancake house as a child and loading up my pancakes with real butter,
thinking that it would be a treat. I ended up scraping most of it off.
I had a similar experience with buttermilk, which I expected to taste
wonderful and instead wanted to spit out.)

If I'm in a restaurant and they offer me butter, I always request
margarine instead. Most waitresses and waiters are happy to comply.

Carol, whose grandfather used to call butter "salve"!




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 03:39:41 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:39:41 -0000
Subject: Dispensing Sugar (was Re: Full English Breakfast with **Brown Sauce**)
In-Reply-To: <000601c891be$d7601070$67a4a8c0@FRODO>
Message-ID: <fspmdt+3aba@eGroups.com>

Carol]:
> In the U.S. (where we use granulated sugar, or, rarely, sugar cubes)
for coffee or tea, we just have a sugar bowl (with a lid) and, often,
a matching creamer (cream pitcher):
> 
Lee:
> Ah--but think back to about 20-something years ago before diners and
restaurants started using packets of sugar; remember the old sugar
shakers, some of which would get stuck and you'd have to unscrew the
lid and clear the pour-tap??  Some had just a hole, some had a sort of
flippy thing on the top.  I loved those better than the packets!!

Carol responds:

My goodness. I'd forgotten those annoying things! Those were the days
when ice water in a Phoenix restaurant was cloudy and tasted like
dishwater, and some of the diners had juke boxes on the tables. I'm
trying to think what else was different. I vaguely remember waitresses
in little caps and frilly aprons, but maybe I'm thinking of the old
sitcom "Alice."

Carol, remembering the strawberry sundaes at a long-defunct Flagstaff
restaurant called Yiya's




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 03:46:18 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:46:18 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
In-Reply-To: <fsmqr9+k4lp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fspmqa+7h65@eGroups.com>

Catlady:
> Caster, as Lee Storm indicated, is one who or that which casts,
while Castor is a beaver who is a charioteer.
>
Carol:
Or the twin brother of Pollux in Greek mythology, commemorated witth
his twin in the constellation Gemini.

Carol, who also thought of castor oil, which she's never seen or
tasted in her life




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 03:54:43 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:54:43 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
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Bdclark quoted the following passage:
> > And lack of fear of the name gets you caught by the Taboo and
captured by the DE Ministry (it's hard to distinguish between them at
that point). I keep wondering if the Taboo were already in effect
during Vold War I, and was responsible for so many members of the
Order of the Phoenix (trained by DD not to fear a name) being killed.
> >
> > I hope not. Despite DD's flaws, I think he's good enough at magic
to have detected the Taboo, and I hate to think he'd throw his
followers'lives away for something that didn't even advance his plans.
> >
> > Carol


Carol responds:

I'm not sure how my name got into this quote. These are catlady's
words. She was responding to me.

And catlady, my theory is that it was safe to safe the name
"Voldemort" at Hogwarts because of all the protections on the castle,
but people outside Hogwarts discovered rather quickly that it wasn't
safe to say the name at all.

I certainly don't think that the Order members died because of DD's
throwing the Order members' lives away. They were probably aware of
the taboo if it existed, even if DD in his ivory tower wasn't. I think
it was Peter's treachery, which began at least a year before the
Potters died according to Sirius Black, that got so members killed.

Carol, sorry to snip bdclark's response but mainly pointing out that
this wasn't her post




From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 04:14:06 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:14:06 -0000
Subject: Literary quiz
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> Carol:
> 
> Can you upload it for me? I want to see and hear you singing it! Or
> how about just the lyrics, CMC style? <vbg>
> 
> Seriously, goddlefrood. Was that what you meant, or was "single"
> intended in the sense of single-volume novel?

Goddlefrood:

Single as in a 45 on vinyl. It was No. 1 in the UK for some weeks, 
iirc. The lyrics are available here:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kate+bush/wuthering+heights_20077284.htm
l

and there's a video of Kate Bush performing it here:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/e180759CwJfzY6C

I would perform it for you, but I fear my high Cs are not what 
they once were.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 16:06:50 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:06:50 -0000
Subject: The willing suspension of disbelief
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---  "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol earlier:
> > Since several posters on the main list are discussing the 
> > willing suspension of disbelief <snip>, I thought I'd bring 
> > up the original context of the phrase from Samuel Taylor 
> > Coleridge's "Biographia Literaria." 
> 
> Carol again:
> 
> Sorry. Forgot to post the link on the off chance that anyone 
> wants to explore Coleridge's theory of the Imagination a little
> farther:
> 
> http://www.english.upenn.edu/~mgamer/Etexts/biographia.html
> 
> Carol, who thinks that Coleridge was a greater genius than 
> Wordsworth, opium addiction or no ..
>

bboyminn:

This read very similar to the attitude I've always had. When
ever someone come across a seeming error or inconsistency in 
the books, they can take one of two paths. One is to assume
it is literally a mistake and that it is wrong wrong wrong
and no explanation can ever alter that. My position is to
assume there is an explanation, but we simply didn't see it,
didn't understand it, or it is off-page but there and real
none the less.

So, rather than whine and cry because something seems wrong,
I use my imagination and try to come up with a real world 
(Potter World, that is) explanation for it. Of course, if
an inconsistency is found, it is certainly worth discussing
and analyzing, and speculating on how a seeming inconsistency
fits into the broader story. 

For example, Ron suddenly knowing that Draco has the Hand of
Glory. Well it, the Hand, was mentioned earlier in the series.
Draco showed an interest in having it. Through off-page 
conversations, held and overheard, Ron came about that 
knowledge. Perhaps, it was second hand, he heard someone who
heard someone say to someone something about Draco and the 
Hand. Keep in mind that Ron doesn't necessarily have to be
saying this is absolutely true, only that given his accumulated
knowledge, it would seem reasonable that it might be true.

I choose to suspend disbelief in the sense that I choose to
believe that a non-existent world does exist and that there
are laws of science and reason that govern it. In making that
choice, by extention, anything that happens in the world does
have an explanation even if I don't know what it is.

As a result, I have complex mechanism by which business, as an 
example, in the wizard world works. Mechanisms by which payments
can be made from Gringott's accounts to merchants. Mechanisms 
by which the wizard world and the muggle world interact and 
exchange (limited) goods and services. Mechanisms by which 
Gringott's interacts with the muggle financial world, in way 
that take advantage of investment opportunities, but do not 
manipulate the market. Mechanisms that facilitate international
trade. Mechanisms by which food is grown and distributed.

None of this is in the books, but it must exists, so I assume
it does and make up the mechanisms. 

We don't know how Harry, Ron, and Hermione managed to get food
at the Black House, but they did, so there must be a mechanism
or means that allows this to happen because it did happen in 
the books. That fact that I don't know what that mechanism is
doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, I speculate on possible 
way that it can happen. 

I've never let not knowing something stop me from knowing it,
if you know what I mean.

Steve/bboyminn




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 16:39:39 2008
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:39:39 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
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---  "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> ....
> 
> According to a website I just found, half-and-half is mainly 
> used in beverages and doesn't whip. It has about half the 
> butterfat of what the British call "single cream." 

bboyminn:

Just a pointless side point, is Half-and-Half, half milk and 
half cream, or is it cream with Half the fat removed. I always 
assume half cream/half milk but never really knew.

> Carol:
>
> (I've only heard "whipping cream," "heavy cream," etc. in 
> the States.) Here's the link if you're interested:
> 
> http://www.joyofbaking.com/Cream.html
> 

bboyminn:

This is only something I've become aware of since immersing
myself in the Potter World, there are many many kinds of
cream, if, and only if, you are in any other country in the
world other than the USA. 

I went to the local grocery store, and as long as I was there
I stopped to look at cream; the choices were Whipping Cream,
Half-and-Half, and assorted artificial creamers. Nothing else.
I couldn't even find just plain 'cream'.

No point there really, just an observation.


> Carol, who likes coffee creamer and ice cream but not real
> cream, which tastes sour and heavy to me.
>

bboyminn:

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried Ice Cream in your
coffee? It can't be the cheap huge bucket of ice cream ice
cream, that has fillers and other junk in it that won't 
dissolve. Good quality ice cream of whatever flavor you prefer,
though vanilla works best, is kind of good. Though, we'll ignore
the calorie count for the moment. And, of course, it cools off
the coffee, so you have to reheat it.

As long as we are on the subject, there is a new book out that
has been getting some air time on TV, called 'Eat This, not That'.
It points out that many of our assumptions about food are wrong.
For example, a tuna sandwich at Subway, has many more calories
and fat that twice as much lean roast beef in a sandwich.

Another, and more the subject, is that instead of one fancy
gourmet coffee, you can have SIX Haagen Daaz ice cream bars and
get equal calories and fat. Though I wiser person would settle
for one ice cream bar and forgo all the calories and fat.

Once again, no real points, just rambling.

Steve/bboyminn




From jnferr at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 16:50:16 2008
From: jnferr at gmail.com (Janette)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:50:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea.
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>
> bboyminn:
>
> This is only something I've become aware of since immersing
> myself in the Potter World, there are many many kinds of
> cream, if, and only if, you are in any other country in the
> world other than the USA.


montims:

Oh my goodness - you haven't lived until you have been in Austria or Germany
and had their coffee and cake with cream.  Please forget any comparisons you
might think to make with the American practice of squirting white stuff on
cake or pie - this is real cream and tastes exquisite.  And a close second
to that is good clotted cream (again, not the stuff you might be able to
find in a jar in some fancy shops) with a freshly baked scone (English
style, not the kind you can buy in  the USA).


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 18:16:05 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:16:05 -0000
Subject: Potterverse characters and tea.
In-Reply-To: <fsr44b+gsge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <fsr9p5+61n0@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> Just a pointless side point, is Half-and-Half, half milk and 
> half cream, or is it cream with Half the fat removed. I always 
> assume half cream/half milk but never really knew.

Kemper now:
I think it's the former... Though I've 'made' my own by doing the
later: 1/2 heavy cream and 1/2 2%milk.  I'm pretty good at math except
for adding percent solutions, so I'm sure I'm using '1/2' loosely.

 
> > Carol:
> > (I've only heard "whipping cream," "heavy cream," etc. in 
> > the States.) Here's the link if you're interested:

> bboyminn:
> ...
> I went to the local grocery store, and as long as I was there
> I stopped to look at cream; the choices were Whipping Cream,
> Half-and-Half, and assorted artificial creamers. Nothing else.
> I couldn't even find just plain 'cream'.

Kemper now:
Well... there's also creme fraiche and sour cream.  Though I get what
you're saying.
I think 'cream' is used similarly to 'gun'.  Sour cream is a type of
cream much like gatling gun is a type of gun. 


> Steve:
> Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried Ice Cream in your
> coffee? 

Kemper now:
Yes! 


> Steve:
> As long as we are on the subject, there is a new book out that
> has been getting some air time on TV, called 'Eat This, not That'.
> It points out that many of our assumptions about food are wrong.
> For example, a tuna sandwich at Subway, has many more calories
> and fat that twice as much lean roast beef in a sandwich.

Kemper now:
I'm wondering if the book takes into the kind of fat.  The good Omega
fat in Tuna.  But I'm sure it's the mix of mayonnaise that puts it
over the edge.  I wonder what the bad fat ratio is between their roast
beef sandwich.  And if you put mayo on the beef sandwich, is it equal? 

> Steve:
> Another, and more the subject, is that instead of one fancy
> gourmet coffee, you can have SIX Haagen Daaz ice cream bars and
> get equal calories and fat. Though I wiser person would settle
> for one ice cream bar and forgo all the calories and fat.

Kemper now:
By 'fancy gourmet', you mean coffee drinks (mochas, lattes, etc.)
right?  Because black coffee has zero fat and zero calories.

Kemper, who adds fat and calories to his coffee by adding 1/2&1/2 and
sugar in the raw ::sips his coffee before hitting send::






From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 18:47:50 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:47:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Potterverse characters and tea.
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montims:
> Oh my goodness - you haven't lived until you have been in Austria or Germany
> and had their coffee and cake with cream. Please forget any comparisons you
> might think to make with the American practice of squirting white stuff on
> cake or pie - this is real cream and tastes exquisite. And a close second
> to that is good clotted cream (again, not the stuff you might be able to
> find in a jar in some fancy shops) with a freshly baked scone (English
> style, not the kind you can buy in the USA).

Um...I am "squirting white stuff" on my cakes & pies all the time.
It's kind of great, whipped all nice and fluffy with vanilla & sugar
(and the occasional nip of liqueur), though it tends to remind me of
eating solid fat (which it pretty much is) if I decide to indulge in
the little too much.

The simple fact is this:  cream will vary in taste & texture with
geography due to variances in the diets of the animals producing the
cream.  (For example, that talk of butter-yellow cream will be totally
foreign to many Americans.  Our cream is white, and our cows don't
seem to want to change that - it's also partly why US butter is
lighter in colour than European butters, though that difference in
taste in the butters is also attributable to differences in production
techniques, which reminds me that I'm rather desperate for the red
cans of real Buerre Bretagne from my youth.)

Re: scones.  You can most certainly get a good scone in the US so long
as you get it from a decent bakery - in other words, English-style
but, as with the cream, it won't be tasting like English scones
because, well, the ingredients aren't the same (for one, we're not
using the same butters) - as a somewhat related sidenote, I really
like it when my scones have the thinnest crunchy-crisp exterior and a
cloud-soft yet dense interior.  It's same deal with the ubiquitous
American biscuits (a scone in disguise, really): you can get some
really bad ones, and you can get some fabulous ones - again, on a
somewhat related sidenote, I've finally perfected my biscuit recipe
this past summer, an accomplishment I deem totally awesome and worthy
of my 25th year of life.  It's all in the roll of the dice whether
you're lucky or not.

And yes, you can get clotted cream, creme fraiche, and all those other
artery-hardening items in the US, too.

~ Ali, who should [but doesn't want to] stop avoiding her work since
the workday is now 3 hrs from over



From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Mar 31 18:51:10 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:51:10 -0000
Subject: The willing suspension of disbelief
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Carol:
 Some of us are in
> a state of permanent belief suspension if that makes any sense.

Potioncat:
That would be me, in more ways than one and in fields afar from 
Hogwarts.


Carol:
> The moment we accept that Wizards and magic exist, that a green-lit
> spell can kill anyone it hits except the Boy who Lived, we've
> suspended our disbelief, whether we like the way the series ended or
> not. Just discussing the WW and Dumbledore as if they were real (all
> the while knowing in some part of our minds that it's all just words
> on paper and the result of readers' minds interacting with the
> author's imagination in its paper incarnation) involves the willing
> suspension of disbelief, as does admiring or liking or criticizing 
the
> characters as people (as opposed to analyzing them as, say, 
variations
> on character types established in the Gothic novel or Snape as 
Byronic
> hero or something of that sort).

Potioncat:
For me it was before DD even showed up, when Harry was even able to 
string words into a sentence in spite of his treatment by the 
Dursleys. I wasn't able to do that on my first attempt at HP, but 
once I did at a second attempt, I enjoyed the ride. 

I can't think of any other place in the HP saga that's jerked me out 
of the disbelief. Now, there have been Flints, or there have been 
disappointments. But I can't think of anything that just seem out-of-
the-question given the world we're reading about.

> 
> Carol, not sure whether Coleridge and his sometime-friend Wordsworth
> belonged on the main list or not and deciding it was best to post
> about them here

Potioncat:
So suspended is my disbelief, that I thought you wrote that you 
didn't know if they belonged "to" the main list, so you posted here 
so they would see it.

I guess I'm easy.
(No, I know this last example isn't the same as suspended disbelief 
at all. But I did think it for just a moment.)





From sistermagpie at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 31 19:00:59 2008
From: sistermagpie at earthlink.net (sistermagpie)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:00:59 -0000
Subject: The willing suspension of disbelief
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Message-ID: <fsrcdb+dajk@eGroups.com>

> Potioncat:
> For me it was before DD even showed up, when Harry was even able to 
> string words into a sentence in spite of his treatment by the 
> Dursleys. I wasn't able to do that on my first attempt at HP, but 
> once I did at a second attempt, I enjoyed the ride. 
> 
> I can't think of any other place in the HP saga that's jerked me out 
> of the disbelief. Now, there have been Flints, or there have been 
> disappointments. But I can't think of anything that just seem out-of-
> the-question given the world we're reading about.

Magpie:
Yeah, sometimes you can't control it. Some people maybe just don't 
like fantasy at all, another person might have suspended their belief 
for lots of things but then unexpectedly gets tripped up on something 
relatively small. But once it happens, it can be hard to get over it.

But of course the other things the author is doing is going to help. I 
read a blog that's reading through the Left Behind books, and it's 
hilarious how little attention the authors pay to any kind of 
realistic world at all--and yet I've had people say to me "I think 
that's really the way it's going to happen."

-m




From bdclark0423 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 22:03:49 2008
From: bdclark0423 at yahoo.com (bdclark0423)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:03:49 -0000
Subject: Cussing / Rowling / Words / Golden Rule / Golden Syrup /Vanity Faur /CastOr
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:
>

bdclark0423:

sorry <hic> that's what happens <hic> whin you 


drink <hic> <hic> dnirk....

<hic>

when ya drink and post....

bdclark423032

<blech>