From zanooda2 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 23:06:34 2008
From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:06:34 -0000
Subject: Computer Question
In-Reply-To: <48E13C99.00001B.03940@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <gc0vpq+1i7a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donnawonna at ...> wrote:

> I'm running Windows XP Home on a Dell laptop.  Is there an "F" key I 
> can use to take my machine out of hibernation?  Is there a way I can 
> set the monster so that it doesn't go into hibernation?  I admit to 
> being computer illiterate.


I don't know much about computers either, but I believe there must be 
something like "power options" somewhere in XP, where you have an 
option of turning the hibernation function off. On my conputer (also 
XP) you need to go to the Control Panel, and then to Performance and 
Maintenance page. On my son's laptop power options are located directly 
in the control panel, but he has Vista. Anyway, open your control panel 
and start looking there for your power options, inside performance and 
maintenance or wherever :-).


zanooda, wishing that someone more computer-savvy could answer ...





From donnawonna at att.net  Wed Oct  1 23:34:56 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:34:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Computer Question
References: <gc0vpq+1i7a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <48E40920.000003.00976@LIFESAVER>

 
--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donnawonna at ...> wrote:

> I'm running Windows XP Home on a Dell laptop. Is there an "F" key I 
> can use to take my machine out of hibernation? Is there a way I can 
> set the monster so that it doesn't go into hibernation? I admit to 
> being computer illiterate.

I don't know much about computers either, but I believe there must be 
something like "power options" somewhere in XP, where you have an 
option of turning the hibernation function off. On my conputer (also 
XP) you need to go to the Control Panel, and then to Performance and 
Maintenance page. On my son's laptop power options are located directly 
in the control panel, but he has Vista. Anyway, open your control panel 
and start looking there for your power options, inside performance and 
maintenance or wherever :-).

zanooda, wishing that someone more computer-savvy could answer ...

Donna:
Zanooda, thank you for your attention and answer.  I was given the
information off list and the problem is fixed.  I have found the members of
this list to be the most helpful, kind, and friendly people.  I do
appreciate each and every one of you. Thank you.


 
 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 03:27:14 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:27:14 -0000
Subject: Civics Re: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gbpkv6+hlun@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc1f2i+do1b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:

> In my state, Oregon, we get our ballots a couple of weeks before
> election day.  That way everyone gets the opportunity to vote 
without
> losing a day of work or standing in lines that stretch forever.
> 
> I'm surprised other states don't adopt our awesome system!

Tonks:

I called your state when I was working on Hillary's campaign. Don't 
you have to take the ballot and drop it off at set places if you 
didn't mail it ahead. I don't like the idea. I think many people 
would forget to turn it in. In my state we just go somewhere close 
to where we live and for me at least there are not long lines. I 
like that better. Give more of a sense of unity. Like having to do 
you taxes on April 15th. Remember when they wanted us to pay at 
different times of the year and we all said NO!  We want to have a 
sense of being united as one nation. I like that. It is bad enough 
that in my state, and I think some others, your driver license and 
tabs expire on your birthday. What a bummer is that!

Tonks_op




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 03:39:18 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:39:18 -0000
Subject: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gbrvqr+qopr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc1fp6+kfmr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at ...> wrote:
>
> In October of 1992, then Gov. Clinton spoke at the University of 
> Michigan. <SNIP>  first Bill came by, and then Hillary...I was  so 
dumbfounded that all I could say (harking back to my middle class 
training at my mother's hands) was "How do you do, Mr. President?"
> Since he was not yet president, this caused him to break into a 
major  grin. (I had the opportunity another time of shaking hands with 
him). So, y'all know that I'm a lesbian, but he is/was an incredibly 
sexy  and charismatic man..he exuded charisma.....it oozed out of him...
> 
> I was wearing a button that said "Hillary's Husband for President" 
> and that evinced a smile from now Senator Clinton when I had the 
> opportunity to shake hands with her....I remember that she had 
> lavendar leather gloves on....and was very pleasant...

Tonks:
I saw him at 'the other school', MSU. And shook his hand there in 1992. 
He is still a very sexy man. I saw him on Letterman about a week ago, 
man was he 'hot'! And after seeing her, I actually envy her. In spite 
of his little 'problem', she is a very lucky woman!! 

I love the button that you had. lol.

This election year has been one for the books. Comic books. The less 
said about it the better, IMO. I will be happy when it is over.

Tonks_op





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 05:07:58 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:07:58 -0000
Subject: Civics Re: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gc1f2i+do1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc1kve+jq8n@eGroups.com>

> > Kemper earlier:
> > In my state, Oregon, we get our ballots a couple of weeks before
> > election day.  That way everyone gets the opportunity to vote 
> without
> > losing a day of work or standing in lines that stretch forever.
> > 
> > I'm surprised other states don't adopt our awesome system!

> Tonks:
> I called your state when I was working on Hillary's campaign. Don't 
> you have to take the ballot and drop it off at set places if you 
> didn't mail it ahead. 

Kemper now:
Yes... At libraries open till poles close and at the elections office.
 There are other drop boxes as well.

> Tonks:
> I don't like the idea. I think many people 
> would forget to turn it in. 

Kemper now:
In the '06 election, my county had 69% turnout.  I think half of that
was turned in prior to election day. In the '04 election, we had
84.87% turn out.  I don't know what the national average was for those
elections.  But to me, it seems high.
You can check out my county's results here:
http://tiny.cc/d3Fri

> Tonks:
> In my state we just go somewhere close 
> to where we live and for me at least there are not long lines.

Kemper now:
Unfortunately, that is not everyone's experience.  I was watching on a
news show recently that discussed the hours long wait some voters
experienced in various precincts around the nation (USA). 

Tonks:
>I like that better. Give more of a sense of unity. Like having to do 
> you taxes on April 15th. 

Kemper now:
If waiting in lines to send off your taxes brings a sense of unity,
then there is that here as well for those who wait until the last
minute to turn in their voice and vote.  Realistically, people can
turn in their taxes within 3.5 months.  Oregon allows only a few weeks.

Tonks:
> We want to have a 
> sense of being united as one nation. I like that. 

Kemper now:
I like that too.  But unfortunately, some people are excluded in the
voting process that only allows for one day and limited hours in which
to vote.  Oregon negates that.  Giving voters time to vote or not to vote.

Kemper




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 19:11:16 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:11:16 -0000
Subject: Civics Re: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gc1f2i+do1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc36ck+mqgd@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> 
> > In my state, Oregon, we get our ballots a couple of weeks before
election day.  That way everyone gets the opportunity to vote without
> losing a day of work or standing in lines that stretch forever.
> > 
> > I'm surprised other states don't adopt our awesome system!
> 
> Tonks:
> 
> I called your state when I was working on Hillary's campaign. Don't
you have to take the ballot and drop it off at set places if you 
didn't mail it ahead. I don't like the idea. I think many people would
forget to turn it in. In my state we just go somewhere close to where
we live and for me at least there are not long lines. <snip>

Carol responds:
I don't know about Oregon, but Arizona voted against a change to
mail-in ballots only, so we have a choice between mailing in the
ballot or going to the polls. For the first time ever, I'm requesting
a mail-in ballot, giving up the privilege of a secret ballot (and
risking encountering problems that might be caused by last-minute
changes to the ballot) because I have a tight, unchangeable deadline
that very day and I don't want to miss voting because I'm still
working to meet that deadline or, worse, miss the deadline because I'm
at the polls! Anyway, the only way to vote if you miss the mail-in
deadline is to go to the polls. I like the either/or option. I also
like going to the polls where it feels like you're really voting,
doing your cividc duty, "I voted" sticker and all, but not this year!

BTW, if I disappear from all HPFGU groups between October 20 and
November 4, it won't be because I'm encountering some catastrophe
(knock on wood!). It will be because I have to copyedit 550 pages in
fifteen days (I'll be working weekends and well into the night). Scary
stuff, but it pays more than projects with realistic deadlines.

Carol, who still has a normal project to work on before that one
arrives and had better get to it!





From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  3 04:04:46 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:04:46 -0000
Subject: Charisma (was Hillary Clinton visit)
In-Reply-To: <gc1fp6+kfmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc45ku+ofrc@eGroups.com>

> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 

 So, y'all know that I'm a lesbian, but he (Bill Clinton) is/was an 
incredibly  sexy  and charismatic man..he exuded charisma.....it oozed 
out of him...

Tonks:

I am wondering about charisma. What is it exactly? And if you are not 
born with it, how does one go about getting it? I would love to see 
what people think about this. I need a bit more of it... lol. I need 
any bit of it, actually, since I have none.

Tonks_op





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  3 04:14:59 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:14:59 -0000
Subject: Civics Re: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gc36ck+mqgd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc4683+5kpv@eGroups.com>


> Kemper wrote:
> In my state, Oregon, we get our ballots a couple of weeks before
> election day.  That way everyone gets the opportunity to vote
without losing a day of work or standing in lines that stretch forever.

> Carol responds:
> I don't know about Oregon, but Arizona voted against a change to
> mail-in ballots only, so we have a choice between mailing in the
> ballot or going to the polls. For the first time ever, I'm requesting
> a mail-in ballot, giving up the privilege of a secret ballot ...

Kemper now:
Why isn't your ballot secret?
In OR, we sign the envelope that we mail in or drop off.  Within the
envelope is another envelope that has no identifying markings which
holds our ballot.  The elections office separates the two envelops to
ensure confidentiality.

Kemper




From donnawonna at att.net  Sun Oct  5 01:15:25 2008
From: donnawonna at att.net (Donna)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:15:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3
Message-ID: <48E8152B.00004B.02504@LIFESAVER>

Is it me or is the list quiet?  
Come out!  Come out, wherever you are!
Donna

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From bgrugin at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 01:25:42 2008
From: bgrugin at yahoo.com (bgrugin)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:25:42 -0000
Subject: Hillary Clinton visit
In-Reply-To: <gc1fp6+kfmr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gc952m+nvsl@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
> <Schlobin@> wrote:
> >
> > In October of 1992, then Gov. Clinton spoke at the University of 
> > Michigan. <SNIP>  first Bill came by, and then Hillary...I was  so 
> dumbfounded that all I could say (harking back to my middle class 
> training at my mother's hands) was "How do you do, Mr. President?"
> > Since he was not yet president, this caused him to break into a 
> major  grin. (I had the opportunity another time of shaking hands with 
> him). So, y'all know that I'm a lesbian, but he is/was an incredibly 
> sexy  and charismatic man..he exuded charisma.....it oozed out of him...
> > 

> Tonks:
> I saw him at 'the other school', MSU. And shook his hand there in 1992. 
> He is still a very sexy man. I saw him on Letterman about a week ago, 
> man was he 'hot'! 


MusicalBetsy here:
This is kind of funny, but I saw him at the OTHER school - Western
Michigan University.  But it was when he was running for re-election.
 My husband was the marching band director there at the time, and the
marching band played "Hail to the Chief" when Pres. Clinton entered. 
My husband was absolutely ecstatic when the first thing Bill did was
thank the band for being there, and he saluted my husband!  My hubby
was so thrilled with Clinton's praise.  And we have a great picture of
my hubby and Bill above the crowd, because Bill was on a stage, and my
husband was on his podium, and you can see Bill saluting my hubby -
pretty cool.  Clinton gave him some official presidential chocolates,
and those darn things are still in his office (except he's not at WMU
anymore) - he's never opened them because the wrapper has the official
presidential logo on them.

Thanks for letting me share!

MusicalBetsy, who has a cousin who is in the Illinois legislature and
although he was heading up Hillary's campaign originally, says that
Obama is a true gentleman.




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sun Oct  5 01:47:03 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:47:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <48E8152B.00004B.02504@LIFESAVER>
References: <48E8152B.00004B.02504@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <9E0A417EE5374A0898DC2EFBACA403A3@FRODO>

[Donna wrote]:
| Is it me or is the list quiet?  

[Lee]:
All is quiet on the western front, as they say. <Grin>  Perhaps they're all
on the Quidditch pitch.

Cheers,

Lee :-)




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 03:49:36 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:49:36 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <9E0A417EE5374A0898DC2EFBACA403A3@FRODO>
Message-ID: <gc9dgg+rmqc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing 
Force\)" <n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [Donna wrote]:
> | Is it me or is the list quiet?  
> 
> [Lee]:
> All is quiet on the western front, as they say. <Grin>  Perhaps 
they're all on the Quidditch pitch.

Tonks:

It is very quiet here. I have been over at YA, arguing politics. I am 
still waiting for someone to answer my question here about crisima. 
(Hope I spelled that right. I am just typing right on the page now 
days, with no spell check.)

Tonks_op




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Oct  5 12:16:56 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:16:56 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <48E8152B.00004B.02504@LIFESAVER>
Message-ID: <gcab7o+gamf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <donnawonna at ...> wrote:
>
> Is it me or is the list quiet?  
> Come out!  Come out, wherever you are!
> Donna

Geoff:
It's the Nargles. They pinch the posts to have with butter for breakfast....




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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 18:25:26 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:25:26 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gc9dgg+rmqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb0qm+n9du@eGroups.com>

Tonks wrote:
> 
> It is very quiet here. I have been over at YA, arguing politics. I
am still waiting for someone to answer my question here about crisima.
 (Hope I spelled that right. I am just typing right on the page now 
days, with no spell check.)

Carol responds:
What is YA? (All I can think of is "young adult.")


I can help you *spell* "charisma," but I'm not sure I can help you to
understand charisma as a phenomenon. "Cha ris ma" has three syllables
(kuh RIHZ muh) and begins with "ch" (like "Christmas" and "choir")
because it's derived from a Greek word ("charis," meaning "grace")
beginning with the letter Chi (rather than with Kappa, which would 
cause it to be spelled with a K in English). It may help (in terms of
spelling) to remember that "charisma" comes from the same root as
"charity" even though the initial sound is different. (Interestingly,
"charisma" is a relatively late borrowing, first used in English in
1930. I'm not sure how the concept was expressed before that time.
"Charm," maybe?)

As for what causes a particular person to have charisma, I can only
guess that it's a combination of genetics (good looks and a naturally
pleasant disposition combined with a capacity for leadership and
perhaps intelligence would certainly help) and social conditioning.
(If people naturally like you and turn to you for leadership, you're
most likely going to learn through experience how to develop and
perhaps exploit that natural ability, both at home and at school.)

Never having had charisma myself (except that little children, even
strangers, are oddly attracted to me), I can't say any more and am
probably wrong.

Carol, suffering from conjunctivitis and wondering if anyone knows any
good home remedies 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 18:40:50 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:40:50 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcab7o+gamf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb1ni+u93h@eGroups.com>

Donna wrote:
> >
> > Is it me or is the list quiet?  <snip>

> 
> Geoff:
> It's the Nargles. They pinch the posts to have with butter for
breakfast....
>
Carol responds:

If they're American Nargles, they probably serve the posts in a bowl
with milk. Post cereals, you know. <smile> Sorry. Feeble American
joke. If you're British and don't get it, follow this link:

http://brands.kraftfoods.com/postcereals

Carol, whose mother is mourning the discontinuation by Post cereals of
the coffee substitute, Postum




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 19:07:10 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:07:10 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3 and Charisma - what is it?
In-Reply-To: <gcb0qm+n9du@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb38u+bsj1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Tonks wrote:
> > 
> > It is very quiet here. I have been over at YA, arguing politics. 
> 
> Carol responds:
> What is YA? (All I can think of is "young adult.")
> 
> Tonks again:

YA=  Yahoo Answers. It is a wild and wooly place. Enter at your own 
risk and don't use your real name. I use to argue Religion in the 
Religion and Spirituality section until I started getting atacks on 
my computer, internet stalkers and a video of a woman having her 
hand cut off, sent to me by a Muslim. Screw them... now I am over 
arguing Politics instead. Much tamer group. Course it is true what 
we have always been told... never discuss either subject.. oh well, 
that is no fun, but certainly safer.

Carol said:
(snip)
remember that "charisma" comes from the same root asI
> "charity" even though the initial sound is different. 

Tonks:
oops, I snipped too much. You said part of the word means grace 
also. Put the two together, grace and charity might be part of it. 

What do other people think Charisma is? What do you see in a person 
that has it? Have you even knowm a woman who has it? What does that 
look like in a woman? I only see men who have it, so I suspect part 
of it has to do with sex appeal... that little wicked twinkle in the 
eye... but how would a woman develop it? And if part of it is 
sexual, how would a women do that without coming off like a tramp? I 
need a little help with this. I want to cultivate some charisma. I 
am sure that one can learn it to some extent, while for many it may 
come naturally. 

(I also snipped the part where Carol was saying that children were 
drawn to her. I use to have people just talk to me and tell me the 
deepest, darkest secrets of their life, even when I was a teenager. 
That was part of what caused me to become a psychotherapist later. 
People just naturally trust me. And I really don't know what I do to 
cause that reaction in people. Except once a women told me that I 
was the most "accepting of other people person" that she had ever 
met. And she had only know me for about an hour as part of a group 
of people. I still don't know how that comes across to anyone 
without my saying anything.) So what is charisma?? How can I get 
some of it? What is the mindset of a person with charisma? I 
think 'who' we project to others comes from how we think.. 

I wish folks would discuss this topic...  anyone there???  

Tonks_op






From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 19:37:01 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:37:01 -0000
Subject: Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcb0qm+n9du@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb50t+d7pf@eGroups.com>

> Tonks wrote:
> It is very quiet here. ... I
> am still waiting for someone to answer my question here about
crisima....

> Carol responds:
> I can help you *spell* "charisma," but I'm not sure I can help you 
> to understand charisma as a phenomenon. ...
> It may help (in terms of
> spelling) to remember that "charisma" comes from the same root as
> "charity" even though the initial sound is different. 
> ...
> As for what causes a particular person to have charisma, I can only
> guess that it's a combination of genetics (good looks and a naturally
> pleasant disposition combined with a capacity for leadership and
> perhaps intelligence would certainly help) and social conditioning.
> (If people naturally like you and turn to you for leadership, you're
> most likely going to learn through experience how to develop and
> perhaps exploit that natural ability, both at home and at school.)

Kemper now:
I'm going to rule out intelligence as a contributing factor toward
charisma as I've witnessed some amazingly stupid yet some how engaging
people.  It is frustrating, dumbfounding and even a bit scary to
realize someone plumb dumb can have such obvious influence over
another.   

I wonder if there's some bio-chemistry involved.  Prolly not, but what
about people's posts about Bill?  I'm sure most of the US regardless
of politics can see on tv how he might be a charismatic man.  But
those who've met him seem to *feel* the charisma.

Kemper

 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 20:18:52 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:18:52 -0000
Subject: Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcb50t+d7pf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb7fc+8ird@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> I'm going to rule out intelligence as a contributing factor toward
> charisma as I've witnessed some amazingly stupid yet some how engaging
> people.  It is frustrating, dumbfounding and even a bit scary to
> realize someone plumb dumb can have such obvious influence over
> another.   

Carol responds:
I'm not so sure. I think it's a factor in *soem* people's charisma,
Bill Clinton's, for sure. Intelligence conveyed with a twinkle draws
people to you. (Dumbledore, anyone?)
> 
> I wonder if there's some bio-chemistry involved.  Prolly not, but
what about people's posts about Bill?  I'm sure most of the US
regardless of politics can see on tv how he might be a charismatic
man.  But those who've met him seem to *feel* the charisma.

Carol again:
Probably, but charisma can also be sensed, perhaps less strongly, in a
person being filmed or videotaped--appearance, voice, mannerisms,
facial expression--all those have something to do with it. Does Obama
have it? Joe Biden? McCain? (I'm not talking about their political
views, only personality and the power to attract friends, followers,
and hangers on--or whatever we've decided that charisma is.) Edward IV
had it, if anyone cares about fifteenth-century kings. JFK did, too.
And, outside power and politics, Paul Newman probably did. How about
Alan Rickman?

Tonks asked whether a woman can have charisma (as opposed to sex
appeal or beauty, which we all know that a woman can have). Charm and
grace, certainly. Did Jackie O have charisma or "only" beauty and
style? What about--politics aside--Sarah Palin? She's not beautiful,
but she's cute in her way (sixties beehive hairdo and all): perky,
energetic, sometimes funny, and not afraid to reach out to people that
she sees as just like herself. Is identifying with other people (or
seeming to do so) part of charisma? I think it is, at least sometimes. 

What about the British royals? Did Diana have it? Do any of those
still living, or do they all fail the test? Fergie, anyone?

Carol, who thinks that voices are important (it's hard to have
charisma if you speak through your nose or whine)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 20:29:03 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:29:03 -0000
Subject: Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcb7fc+8ird@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcb82f+fj4j@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> I'm not so sure. I think it's a factor in *soem* people's charisma,
Bill Clinton's, for sure. Intelligence conveyed with a twinkle draws
people to you. (Dumbledore, anyone?)

Carol again:

"Soem" people can type and some can't! I can spell "some," really I can.

Carol, off to buy eye wash with boric acid and hoping that it will
help her red, itchy, sticky eye




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 23:01:39 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:01:39 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3 and Charisma - what is it?
In-Reply-To: <gcb38u+bsj1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcbh0j+9vt2@eGroups.com>

 
> Tonks:
> What do other people think Charisma is? What do you see in a person 
> that has it? Have you even knowm a woman who has it? What does that 
> look like in a woman? I only see men who have it, so I suspect part 
> of it has to do with sex appeal... 
> but how would a woman develop it? And if part of it is 
> sexual, how would a women do that without coming off like a tramp? 

Kemper now:
I know it was mentioned earlier that sex appeal may play a role in
charisma, but I disagree.  Bill has sex appeal (I hear),  Obama
doesn't.  Both seem similarly charismatic.  So developing sex appeal
won't make you any more charismatic than you already are, though it
might help out in other areas of your private life :)

Carol mentioned Jackie O and Princess Di upthread, questioning whether
or not they have beauty or charisma.  I think they were made into
icons before their personalities were publicly known.  

I think Eva Peron must have possessed some charisma, energizing labor
parties and advancing suffrage.  She also seems attractive which may
or may not play a role.  Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto also seemed
charismatic (I wept when she was assassinated.)  She too seemed
attractive in her early years... not to say that her later years were
hideous. Someone who was not hot yet probably possessed a charisma was
Mother Teresa.  Another not hot woman was Margaret Thatcher, who, to
me, seems to lack charisma... but that might be because I'm American.

As I was thinking about the women above, what I think comes across
with all of them and with their male counterparts, is their passion
for life or for a cause that inspires or elates people into action
even if it's brief.


> Tonks:
> I 
> need a little help with this. I want to cultivate some charisma. I 
> am sure that one can learn it to some extent, while for many it may 
> come naturally. 

Kemper now:
You state already having a magnetism for people who want to share
their emotions, so I would encourage you to learn what it is about you
that elicits that in others and hone it.  If you are thinking you
don't know what it is, then start by asking others.  But I suspect
some part of you knows the answer.


> Tonks: 
> What is the mindset of a person with charisma? 

Kemper now:
Mindset... it would be curious to see the Myers Brigg of those already
discussed.  While extroversion seems like a given, I don't imagine
Mother Teresa as naturally extroverted (I could be wrong).  I know a
woman who presents as extroverted but it's because she was raised by
an extrovert.  Her preferred state is introversion.

Tonks:
> I think 'who' we project to others comes from how we think.. 

Kemper now:
I agree, but I also think it works in reverse; people project onto us
who they think we are... at times.

Kemper




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 23:16:49 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:16:49 -0000
Subject: Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcb7fc+8ird@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcbht2+bk4e@eGroups.com>


> Kemper wrote:
> I'm going to rule out intelligence as a contributing factor toward
> charisma as I've witnessed some amazingly stupid yet some how
engaging people.  

> Carol responded:
> I'm not so sure. I think it's a factor in *soem* people's charisma,
> Bill Clinton's, for sure. Intelligence conveyed with a twinkle draws
> people to you. (Dumbledore, anyone?)

Kemper now:
Right, 'some', but it isn't a required trait to possess in order be
charismatic.
As for Dumbledore, I never thought of him as charismatic.  I don't
think the Order thought of him as a leader due to his personality
rather due to the secret knowledge he kept.  Similar reason why they
looked to Harry later, sort of, not that Harry is this charismatic
young man but because he has secret information. 

 
> Carol again:
> Does Obama
> have it? Joe Biden? McCain? 

Kemper now:
Obama,yes.  Biden, no.  McCain, no.  Palin, yes.  


> Carol, who thinks that voices are important (it's hard to have
> charisma if you speak through your nose or whine)

Kemper now:
Yes, but both can be lessened or negated with practice.  I think a
weird laugh is less than endearing... and I don't think there's any
changing that misfortune.  Sure you could fake a laugh type, but
people will hear the falseness.

Kemper





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 02:49:15 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:49:15 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3 and Charisma - what is it?
In-Reply-To: <gcbh0j+9vt2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcbubb+109i0@eGroups.com>

Kemper wrote:
> I agree, but I also think it works in reverse; people project onto
us who they think we are... at times.

Carol responds:
I think that's true more often than not. I've been criticized all my
life by people who don't even know me for traits that they assumed I
had based on  preconceived notions they held about members of some
category they had placed me in. Sometimes they're right (skinny kid
with glasses. We don't want her on our team!) Sometimes they're wrong.
It works the other way, too, but I don't want to talk about when I did
or didn't live up to people's expectations. 

The thing is, people judge you before you even open your mouth on your
appearance, not just your grooming or clothes or hairstyle but on your
age, sex, race, health, apparent income, and maybe more. Once you
start to speak, they judge you again based on accent, apparent
educational level, level of "coolness" if you're in that age group,
level of confidence, etc. I plead guilty to judging people by accents
and speech patterns and voice quality. Some voices simply hurt my
ears. The person may be interesting and intelligent, but if I can't
stand to hear them speak, I don't want to be near them.

And once you've judged a person as worthy of your time and company,
even come to "know" them, you make assumptions about them--how they'll
vote, what their values are, how happy their marriage or relationship
is, and so forth. You project your feelings and aspirations onto them;
you may even resent them for things you think they've done or thought,
or you read unintended significance into something that they say.
(Your mother likes your sister better than she likes you. Your husband
forgot your anniversary because he doesn't love you any more, or
whatever.) We expect them to like something because *we* like it.

Anyway, certain kids start out with advantages--looks, brains,
athletic ability, a likeable personality, money, etc. People expect
them to succeed; other kids want those kids to like them. As they get
older, people may project their own needs and desires or insecurities
onto them and see them as the perfect mate or a rival, for example.
Other kids may be equally intelligent or likeable, but their
classmates and even teachers may not see their intelligence or
likeability for their crooked teeth and bad complexions. Or their
skinny and unathletic, so they must be geeks (whatever that means).
they wear glasses, so they must be smart. Some people can meet or
surpass the expectations of others and show their real selves and
still be liked. Others crumble under the pressure or react with rage
and frustration. Or they just conform and become what others think
they are.

It's all very complicated, but I'm trying to say that who we are is
partly who we're born to be, partly how we're shaped by education and
experience, and partly what we make of that combination of
circumstances. But how others view us, how they react to us and who
they think we are is part of that identity. After all, a job
interviewer isn't hiring *you.* He's hiring (or rejecting) the person
he thinks you are based on an hour-long question-answer session. Your
own child doesn't know you the way you know (or think you know)
yourself. You're just Mom or Dad. When I taught college, I had
students who were surprised to learn that I had a life outside the
classroom and my office! I guess they thought I was some sort of robot
who was programmed to teach classes and grade essays (preferably
returned the very next class period--yeah, right!)

Does anybody really know anybody else? I guess an identical twin might
come close, or a mother knowing her child when the child is young, but
even then you're projecting--*my* twin, *my* child, an extension of me.

Carol, just freewriting here and probably not saying anything worth
responding to!





From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Oct  6 02:59:21 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:59:21 -0000
Subject: re Charisma
Message-ID: <gcbuu9+dc0c@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/37846>:

<< (Interestingly, "charisma" is a relatively late borrowing, first
used in English in 1930. I'm not sure how the concept was expressed
before that time. "Charm," maybe?) >>

Maybe 'prestige'.
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=prestigious> says 
<< 1546, "practicing illusion or magic, deceptive," from L.
pr?stigious "full of tricks," from pr?stigi? "juggler's tricks,"
probably altered by dissimilation from pr?stringere "to blind,
blindfold, dazzle," from pr?- "before" + stringere "to tie or bind"
(see strain (v.)). Prestige is from 1656, from Fr. prestige "an
illusion" (16c.). These words were derogatory until 19c.; prestige in
the sense of "dazzling influence" was first applied 1815, to Napoleon.
Prestigious with this sense is attested from 1913. >>

I think << prestige in the sense of "dazzling influence" was first
applied 1815, to Napoleon >> might be what we call charisma?

Tonks wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/37848>:

<< What do other people think Charisma is? What do you see in a person
that has it? Have you even knowm a woman who has it? What does that
look like in a woman? >>

I don't know what charisma exactly is, but my friend scowls when
people think it means sex appeal or likeability. She says it means
that you reflectively want that person (the one who has charisma) to
be your leader.

Does Oprah have charisma?




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 03:19:21 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:19:21 -0000
Subject: Testing, 1,2,3 and Charisma - what is it?
In-Reply-To: <gcbubb+109i0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcc03p+ltb2@eGroups.com>

> Carol, just freewriting here and probably not saying anything worth
> responding to!

Kemper now:
I don't know about that!

 
> Carol responded:
> We expect them to like something because *we* like it.

Kemper now:
Which is why I advocate the platinum rule: treat others as they want
to be treated.  It takes the 'me' out of 'them'.


> Carol:
> Anyway, certain kids start out with advantages--looks, brains,
> athletic ability, a likeable personality, money, etc. 

Kemper now:
I would like to add under advantages: adults who read to them.

Kemper






From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 05:34:18 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:34:18 -0000
Subject: Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3
In-Reply-To: <gcbht2+bk4e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcc80q+vgag@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Kemper wrote:
> > I'm going to rule out intelligence as a contributing factor 
toward
> > charisma as I've witnessed some amazingly stupid yet some how
> engaging people.  
> 
> > Carol responded:
> > I'm not so sure. I think it's a factor in *soem* people's 
charisma, Bill Clinton's, for sure. Intelligence conveyed with a 
twinkle draws people to you. (Dumbledore, anyone?)
> 
> Kemper now:
> Right, 'some', but it isn't a required trait to possess in order be
> charismatic. As for Dumbledore, I never thought of him as 
charismatic.  

Tonks:

I thought of DD as charismatic, as least a bit. That twinkle in the 
eye. That bit of a 'bad boy' bend the rules a bit sort of thing that 
makes some think that you are cool.

I have been giving this some thought. Mother Teresa was said to have 
that quality that made a person sitting with her 'feel' it. They 
felt the peace of God in her presence. I have know three men (why 
always men?) that had charisma. All of them were extroverts. And 
they seem to have a real love for people. One of them, when he 
talked to anyone treated them as if they were the only person in the 
room. I wonder if it is our unversial need to be loved and accepted 
that we feel coming from the one with charisma. I don't think it is 
that we always want them to be our leaders. Maybe our lovers, our 
friends, but not necessary leaders. Maybe it is what they use to 
call in my Psy. classes "unconditional postive regard", which is the 
basis for a good therapist-client relationship. But charisma goes 
beyond that. There is a 'something' else.

Kemper, I thought about the Myers-Briggs idea that you brought up. I 
am an INFP or a INFJ when pushed to do my paperwork in a timely 
fashion. And one of the men that I mentioned is a ENFP. It would be 
interesting to find out what others that are seen as charismatic 
have for a score. 

Tonks_op




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 13:46:39 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:46:39 -0000
Subject: re Charisma
In-Reply-To: <gcbuu9+dc0c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcd4rv+e9i0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince 
Winston)" <catlady at ...> wrote:
>
> Carol wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/37846>:
> 
> << (Interestingly, "charisma" is a relatively late borrowing, first
> used in English in 1930. I'm not sure how the concept was expressed
> before that time. "Charm," maybe?) >>
> 
> Maybe 'prestige'.
> <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=prestigious> says 
> << 1546, "practicing illusion or magic, deceptive," from L.
> pr?stigious "full of tricks," from pr?stigi? "juggler's tricks,"
> probably altered by dissimilation from pr?stringere "to blind,
> blindfold, dazzle," from pr?- "before" + stringere "to tie or bind"
> (see strain (v.)). Prestige is from 1656, from Fr. prestige "an
> illusion" (16c.). These words were derogatory until 19c.; prestige 
in
> the sense of "dazzling influence" was first applied 1815, to 
Napoleon.
> Prestigious with this sense is attested from 1913. >>
> 
> I think << prestige in the sense of "dazzling influence" was first
> applied 1815, to Napoleon >> might be what we call charisma?
> 
> Tonks wrote in
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/37848>:
> 
> << What do other people think Charisma is? What do you see in a 
person
> that has it? Have you even knowm a woman who has it? What does that
> look like in a woman? >>
> 
> I don't know what charisma exactly is, but my friend scowls when
> people think it means sex appeal or likeability. She says it means
> that you reflectively want that person (the one who has charisma) to
> be your leader.
> 
> Does Oprah have charisma?
>


Oh, how interesting...I distinctly remember back in college (medieval 
times) I took a course on the Old Testament, and the professor talked 
about charisma there, with the origins of chrism, the sacred oil..the 
anointed one...usually I remember part of this stuff, if I have time, 
I'll go look it up...

Personally, I think it usually involves sex appeal...but it's a 
magnetic or chemical attraction....isn't it? I'd suggest Lord 
Voldemort had it.....hmmmmm who else in HP?






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Oct 11 13:03:21 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:21 -0000
Subject: Equus
Message-ID: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>

There was a review of Equus in the Washington Post a few weeks ago. At 
first I thought the play was coming  here, but no, the review was from 
Broadway.

The writer stated that Daniel R did an adequate job, but his fame 
pulled attention to his character and away from the therapist. 
According to the review the therapist, not the young man, is the real 
main character of the play. The reviewer also said Richard Griffiths 
did an outstanding job.

Just wondering what those of you who saw the play think of this review?

Richard Griffiths shows up in the most unexpected places. I just caught 
the tail end of "Saving Bess"---or is it "Protecting Bess" on the TV. 
It's a movie with Nicholas Cage and Shirley McClain. I saw it when it 
first came out and to my surprise, Richard Griffiths is in it. It was 
my husband who recognised him. 

Potioncat




From md at exit-reality.com  Sat Oct 11 13:56:40 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:56:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Equus
In-Reply-To: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>
References: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01c301c92ba9$30eee600$92ccb200$@com>

I love when a reviewer complains that a person famous for something else
pulls attention away... that means that the reviewer was focusing on
Radcliff because the reviewer couldn't get over it being Harry Potter on the
stage.

md

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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Equus

There was a review of Equus in the Washington Post a few weeks ago. At 
first I thought the play was coming  here, but no, the review was from 
Broadway.

The writer stated that Daniel R did an adequate job, but his fame 
pulled attention to his character and away from the therapist. 
According to the review the therapist, not the young man, is the real 
main character of the play. The reviewer also said Richard Griffiths 
did an outstanding job.

Just wondering what those of you who saw the play think of this review?

Richard Griffiths shows up in the most unexpected places. I just caught 
the tail end of "Saving Bess"---or is it "Protecting Bess" on the TV. 
It's a movie with Nicholas Cage and Shirley McClain. I saw it when it 
first came out and to my surprise, Richard Griffiths is in it. It was 
my husband who recognised him. 

Potioncat


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From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 14:12:23 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:12:23 -0000
Subject: Equus
In-Reply-To: <01c301c92ba9$30eee600$92ccb200$@com>
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:
>
> There was a review of Equus in the Washington Post a few weeks ago. 
At 
> first I thought the play was coming  here, but no, the review was 
from 
> Broadway.
> 
> The writer stated that Daniel R did an adequate job, but his fame 
> pulled attention to his character and away from the therapist. 
> According to the review the therapist, not the young man, is the 
real 
> main character of the play. The reviewer also said Richard 
Griffiths 
> did an outstanding job.
> 
> Just wondering what those of you who saw the play think of this 
review?


Alla:

LOLOLOL. I saw the play. I agree that Richard Griffiths did an 
amazing job, I would watch anything with him. But why why did the 
reviewer felt a need to put down Dan at the same time?

Or at least it feels like it from the summary. I do not know who is 
the real main character of the play come to think of it, I guess you 
can say that therapist is the main character in a way since he is on 
the scene the most and talks the most,, but Dan's character is for 
sure second in its importance IMO.


So, I wonder what this reviewer thought Dan was supposed to do? NOT 
to play his part as well as he did in order to make sure that he does 
not overshadow Griffiths or something?

For the record, I do not think he did, I think they play off each 
other very very well and had an amazing chemistry on screen.

This play not just made me huge fan of Griffiths, I knew that he was 
a well known actor, but I never seen him in any other role but 
Vernon's, this play made me a fan of Dan's acting abilities as well.

I already saw that he improved significantly in the fourth or fifth 
movies, but in the first three movies I saw very little acting from 
him.

Therefore I think in his acting we can see that hard work can improve 
your skill so much, even if you are not acting genuis from the very 
early age. IMO of course.


Potioncat:
> Richard Griffiths shows up in the most unexpected places. I just 
caught 
> the tail end of "Saving Bess"---or is it "Protecting Bess" on the 
TV. 
> It's a movie with Nicholas Cage and Shirley McClain. I saw it when 
it 
> first came out and to my surprise, Richard Griffiths is in it. It 
was 
> my husband who recognised him. 


Alla:

I was given couple more movies names with him that I just have to 
hunt down.

md:
I love when a reviewer complains that a person famous for something 
else
pulls attention away... that means that the reviewer was focusing on
Radcliff because the reviewer couldn't get over it being Harry Potter 
on the
stage.

Alla:

Agreed.





From alexisnguyen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 15:57:55 2008
From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:57:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Equus
In-Reply-To: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>
References: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b6e131bf0810110857w3f4e726dh55c9e3f424cf7c20@mail.gmail.com>

potioncat:
> The writer stated that Daniel R did an adequate job, but his fame
> pulled attention to his character and away from the therapist.
> According to the review the therapist, not the young man, is the real
> main character of the play. The reviewer also said Richard Griffiths
> did an outstanding job.

Hm.  Looks like the reviewer isn't taking a few things into
consideration.  One, that the therapist is the real main character is
a matter of opinion - I think he's a more interesting and complex
character, but the entire play revolves around Alan Strang and his
history with the horses, and that is, for better or worse, the core
story.  The better story, to be sure, is found below that first layer,
but from the way things were written (though, admittedly, I don't know
what the dramaturg did as far as cutting down things and helping keep
the core store alive), the therapist character is more quiet in
comparison to the Alan Strang story.  (In fact, pretty much ever
summary I've ever read of Equus doesn't mention the therapist at all
except as a "facilitating" character.)  Moreover, that "first layer"
of the play is so overwhelming that, in presenting a play for an
audience that may have never heard of this play or only know it in
passing, I can totally agree with the choice to not over-emphasize the
therapist role.

I mean, as much as I agree with the reviewer that the real main
character of the play is the therapist, I would never go into a play
with that bias in my head.  At that point, without an amazing
dramaturg to help things along, the play is inevitably going to
disappoint and not ever reference the "real main character" as
important as Alan Strang.

Anyway, my two cents.  Seems like the reviewer was seeing half what
was happening and half what he wanted the play to portray - poor
choice for a reviewer.

~Ali



From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 21:31:16 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:31:16 -0000
Subject: Equus
In-Reply-To: <gcq86p+ge0s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gcr5v4+rlci@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
> There was a review of Equus in the Washington Post a few weeks ago. At 
> first I thought the play was coming  here, but no, the review was from 
> Broadway.
> 
> The writer stated that Daniel R did an adequate job, but his fame 
> pulled attention to his character and away from the therapist. 
> According to the review the therapist, not the young man, is the real 
> main character of the play. The reviewer also said Richard Griffiths 
> did an outstanding job.
> 
> Just wondering what those of you who saw the play think of this review?

Geoff:
Obviously one of those reviewers who believes that part of his job 
description is to always find something to complain about....

I saw the London production and was greatly impressed by both. But, 
as has been said I think, the play primarily revolves around Alan  and 
the action in which he reveals "Why did he do it?" and not Dysart  who 
is trying to say on the one hand "This is why I think he did it" and on 
the other "..but I'm darned envious of him."

Alan demonstrates the irrationality and apparent immortality 
of teenagers, whereas Dysart is the world-weary middle aged 
guy for whom this marvellous time for being iconoclastic and 
uninhibited has faded or not even been part of his life.

And I think that Dan and Richard capture those two opposing 
facets perfectly. So I shall revert to my teen age style and blow
 a raspberry at the reviewer as being a killjoy and nitpicker. So 
there.
:-)




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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Oct 12 21:15:26 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:15:26 -0000
Subject: Movies
Message-ID: <gctpde+19u3@eGroups.com>

This question comes up fairly often. Has anyone seen any movies with HP 
stars lately?

I saw Rickman's "The Search for John Gissing." I can see why it wasn't 
released in theaters, but I have to admit, when I went to work that 
week, certain scenes from Gissing's office came to mind and made me 
chuckle. Juliette Stevenson did a very nice job with her character. 
(Not sure if I have her name spelled correctly.) You know, most of 
Rickman's characters would feel right at home in Slytherin House.

I also recently finished "Cranford" with Judy Dench--I do enjoy her 
films. OK, she wasn't in HP, I keep forgetting that. But Imelda 
Staunton was also in this film. She's very funny. I really enjoyed the 
miniseries, but my husband had to leave the room during one of the 
surgery scenes.

"Cranford" probably rates as a chick-flick, but I love how very human 
the characters are, and how enduring the friendships are.

Potioncat




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:26:04 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:26:04 -0000
Subject: quotes from HP - quiet here lately
Message-ID: <gcum5c+tuvb@eGroups.com>

In my professional capacity, I did a national teleconference on 
domestic violence, and education/intervention for batterers. 
It's very difficult for domestic violence perpetrators to change their 
behavior, and we found ourselves in a spirited but respectful 
discussion about that....another panelist and I discussed Albus 
Dumbledore's views about change.....and whether he thought Lord 
Voldemort was capable of change.

Anyway, I wonder if anyone else has found examples of people quoting HP 
in professional capacities... (of course we know about the Madeleine 
L'Engle movie quote)......

Susan




From utkari02 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 14:18:52 2008
From: utkari02 at yahoo.com (Kari)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:18:52 -0000
Subject: The Azkatraz Informant, Volume 1
Message-ID: <gd29oc+eu08@eGroups.com>

The first issue of The Informant, the official Newsletter for Azkatraz
2009, is now available on the Azkatraz Website
<http://www.hp2009.org/?q=node/31> !!

In this Issue:

Registration is now Open!!
Half-Blood Prince Movie and a Special Podcast Event!
Artistic APB! Wanted: Dungeon of Art Submissions!
Calling all Costumers and Models!
How can I stay up to date with AZKATRAZ?
Do You Know San Francisco?
Help Wanted!
Volunteer Rap Sheet

Want to receive the Newsletter as soon as it's released by email? Then
be sure to sign up on our Website!


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From n2fgc at arrl.net  Wed Oct 15 00:57:11 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm(God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:57:11 -0400
Subject: I'm Done! No More Drips!
Message-ID: <2D20BFF441EF4F3A8740A6AC8B7B73F7@FRODO>

Ah, friends, how goood it doth feel!

My final post-op was a smashing success; all is well.  No pain, no more
drops and schedule juggling, I'm a free critter until a routine exam in
January of 2009.  Good thing, too, as the one drop I was still taking had
just barely one drop to give this morning and refilling that one
is--uh--expensive.  So, empty bottle is in trash, insurance cards are put
away, and I'm praising God and eating some Dark Chocolate morsels. (What
else would you expect from me????)

So, come and celebrate with me!  There's plenty chocolate for all!

With smiles and praises,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From tonks_op at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 03:50:23 2008
From: tonks_op at yahoo.com (Tonks)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:50:23 -0000
Subject: quotes from HP - quiet here lately
In-Reply-To: <gcum5c+tuvb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gd3p9v+k63q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" 
<Schlobin at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Anyway, I wonder if anyone else has found examples of people quoting 
HP in professional capacities... (of course we know about the Madeleine 
> L'Engle movie quote)......

Tonks:
I am often quoting DD. Not necessary in a professional capacity. Often 
in discussions of Religion.




From macloudt at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 12:34:03 2008
From: macloudt at yahoo.co.uk (Mary Ann Jennings)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:34:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: I'm Done! No More Drips!
Message-ID: <342822.12465.qm@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Lee wrote:

>>>No pain, no more drops and schedule juggling, I'm a free critter until a routine exam in January of 2009.<<<

Mary Ann:

Yay!  I'm so glad to hear everything went well, and that you're pain-free to boot.

Lee:

>>>So, empty bottle is in trash, insurance cards are put away, and I'm praising God and eating some Dark Chocolate morsels. (What else would you expect from me????)<<<

Mary Ann:

Dark chocolate is a gift from God, so they go together perfectly. :)

Mary Ann, who can never resist dark chocolate



From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 06:41:21 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:41:21 -0000
Subject: I'm Done! No More Drips!
In-Reply-To: <342822.12465.qm@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gd6nmh+9emg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Mary Ann Jennings <macloudt at ...> wrote:

> Lee:
 
> >>>So, empty bottle is in trash, insurance cards are put away, and I'm praising God and 
eating some Dark Chocolate morsels. (What else would you expect from me????)<<<
 
> Mary Ann:
 
> Dark chocolate is a gift from God, so they go together perfectly. :)
 
Geoff:

A land flowing with dark chocolate and liquorice.....

Bliss.

The next report we want is to hear that you are turning 
cartwheels of joy.
:-)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 16:43:53 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:43:53 -0000
Subject: "Away" for awhile
Message-ID: <gd7r09+fqfe@eGroups.com>

Just letting everyone know that I probably won't be posting, at least
not much, at any HP sites till after Election Day. I'm trying to
finish an editing project before my mother gets in at 8:00 tonight
(probably won't manage the feat, but at least it's not a firm
deadline). Another project, this one with a firm deadline, November 4,
will come in just as she's leaving. Please don't offlist me as I'll
only be checking my Yahoo e-mail sporadically.

Carol, whose mother missed her flight (sitting in the wrong waiting
area) and will arrive in Tucson six hours after her luggage!




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 16 18:02:39 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:02:39 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re:I'm Done! No More Drips!
In-Reply-To: <gd6nmh+9emg@eGroups.com>
References: <342822.12465.qm@web25806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <gd6nmh+9emg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <A2F78D3F61A74CF487ABC5B444553F04@FRODO>

[Geoff]:
| A land flowing with dark chocolate and liquorice.....
| 
| Bliss.

[Lee]:
Indeed!  I always loved that part in Willie Wonka with the chocolate river
and the chocolate cups.  Gosh wouldn't that be nifty to see and taste! :-)

When I was a kid, at Christmas time, we would have chocolate liqueur in
little chocolate cups...To Die For!  I used to love that so much.  In fact,
about 10 years ago when I was working at Bell Labs, they actually had
chocolate mousse served in chocolate dishes.  Unusually fancy for Bell Labs
lunch. :-)

[Geoff]:
| The next report we want is to hear that you are turning 
| cartwheels of joy.

[Lee]:
<LOL!>  You know, I must make some admissions here; never ever in my life
have I learned how to do a cartwheel, stand on my head, or stand and walk on
my hands.  I am the most gymnastically challenged/deprived being.  In fact,
I never climbed a tree until I was thirty!  I'm serious!  And that was also
the year I made my first snow angel, too.  If it hadn't been for Art, I
would probably have never climbed a tree or made that snow angel.

Living in New York City and not having a tree-climbing Mom, I guess I was
never encouraged to do that.  Also, we never had places for making snow
angels. <Grin>

So, all the good stuff is truly Art's fault. <BEG>

With visions of chocolate cups dancing in her head,

Lee :-)




From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 22:52:00 2008
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (Gail Harrison)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: My list of Yahoo Groups :)
Message-ID: <20081017225200.6BE0C110041@web0.grouply.com>

Hi, 

You can see a list of my groups on Grouply at the link below. Maybe you'll find
some you want to join. 

Gail 

Here's the link:
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From Schlobin at aol.com  Sat Oct 18 12:35:01 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:35:01 -0000
Subject: wales paper suggests HP could solve their economic crisis
Message-ID: <gdcl5l+8ljs@eGroups.com>

why not in the U.S. too? perhaps our next president will pull some new 
rabbits out of the hat.



Where's Harry Potter when you need a solution to economic crises?
Oct 18 2008 by Martin Shipton, Western Mail 

FAR be it from me to spoil the love-in, but it would be foolish to 
conclude that the problems facing the Welsh economy will be solved by 
the summit that took place on Thursday.

As one correspondent wrote to tell me: "It was classic Wales. Have a 
large committee of different interests, although none of them are 
really big players in the economy. The really big player hasn't got a 
morning to waste. They meet for two hours and then say it was very 
productive.,,,,,,,,,
,,,,

 Perhaps waving a wand might do the trick


Susan




From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 19 17:41:30 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 19 Oct 2008 17:41:30 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 10/19/2008, 1:00 pm 
Message-ID: <1224438090.18.4093.m51@yahoogroups.com>

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From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 19 18:24:08 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:24:08 -0000
Subject: "Away" for awhile
In-Reply-To: <gd7r09+fqfe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gdfu08+j1nu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
> 
> Carol, whose mother missed her flight (sitting in the wrong waiting
> area) and will arrive in Tucson six hours after her luggage!
>

I did that once. Phoenix to Los Angeles in the 1980s - I only lost two
and half hours.

But just last week, I was in the clinic waiting room and didn't hear
them call my name three times.





From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Oct 19 18:25:32 2008
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince Winston))
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:25:32 -0000
Subject: wales paper suggests HP could solve their economic crisis
In-Reply-To: <gdcl5l+8ljs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gdfu2s+rk8l@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176"
<Schlobin at ...> quoted:
>
> As one correspondent wrote to tell me: "It was classic Wales. Have a 
> large committee of different interests, although none of them are 
> really big players in the economy. The really big player hasn't got a 
> morning to waste. They meet for two hours and then say it was very 
> productive.,,,,,,,,,

Sounds like classic Ministry of Magic, too.




From Schlobin at aol.com  Mon Oct 20 02:00:52 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:00:52 -0000
Subject: Latin in Scottish Schools? HP mentioned
Message-ID: <gdgook+qusi@eGroups.com>

Harry Potter: Minister wants to resurrect Latin in schools



? Previous ? PreviousNext ? Next ?View GalleryPublished Date: 19 
October 2008 
By Fiona Gray
WHEN at home speak as the Romans did. Scottish school pupils could 
soon be learning Latin as a way of boosting their English skills.

Education Secretary Fiona Hyslop last night announced her support for 
the "dead" language to be resuscitated in classrooms in a move which 
would see children as young as nine studying the language and culture 
of ancient Rome.

Hyslop, who herself studied classics at school, believes teaching 
Latin will give youngsters a better understanding of their own 
language as well as making it easier to learn French and Spanish.

And with JK Rowling's Harry Potter books making Latin more popular 
than ever with children, as the boy wizard casts his spells in the 
ancient language, there is an appetite for learning among pupils.

..........................deleted material above...
Edinburgh author Rowling is also a fan of the classical language, and 
taught herself the basics as she did not learn it at school.

Her books use Latin for the incantations Harry learns at Hogwarts, 
such as Accio, which brings an object to a wizard and comes from the 
Latin for "to summon", and Petrificus Totalus, which binds a person 
to the spot and literally means "completely turned to stone". The 
books have helped reignite children's interest in Latin.






From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sun Oct 26 17:41:32 2008
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 26 Oct 2008 17:41:32 -0000
Subject: Weekly Chat, 10/26/2008, 1:00 pm 
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Oct 27 16:32:36 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:32:36 -0000
Subject: Help !K Again!
Message-ID: <ge4qf4+r9is@eGroups.com>

OK, this time I'll write it down, bookmark it or carve it into my 
computer desk.

I need the settings to use on WORD so that my WORD produced posts will 
come through to the list with correct punctuation marking.

I have a post on main full of K! and other odd symbols for what looked 
like correctly entered punctuation at the preview.

Thanks,
Potioncat






From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 04:55:08 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:55:08 -0000
Subject: "Away" for awhile
In-Reply-To: <gdfu08+j1nu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ge8qbc+ql6a@eGroups.com>

> > Carol, whose mother missed her flight (sitting in the wrong
waiting area) and will arrive in Tucson six hours after her luggage!
> >
Catlady: 
> I did that once. Phoenix to Los Angeles in the 1980s - I only lost
two and half hours.
> 
> But just last week, I was in the clinic waiting room and didn't hear
them call my name three times.
>
Carol:
But at least the waiting room didn't take off without you! Poor mom,
watching out the window as her luggage headed for Tucson via Las
Vegas! At least, a nice Southwest employee helped her arrange another
flight (to Tucson via Oakland).

Carol, whose mom is safely back in Boise after an enjoyable visit
slightly marred by Carol having to finish one editing project before
the next came in




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 05:01:25 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:01:25 -0000
Subject: Help !K Again!
In-Reply-To: <ge4qf4+r9is@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ge8qn5+8tau@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...>
wrote:
>
> OK, this time I'll write it down, bookmark it or carve it into my 
> computer desk.
> 
> I need the settings to use on WORD so that my WORD produced posts
will come through to the list with correct punctuation marking.
> 
> I have a post on main full of K! and other odd symbols for what
looked like correctly entered punctuation at the preview.
> 
> Thanks,
> Potioncat
>
Carol responds:

I think that the main thing you need to do is turn off curly quotes
(Word calls them "smart quotes") on the Autoformtting and Autoformat
as you type tabs in the Options menu.

Click Tools and then Options to get there.

Carol, who can't double-check the procedure because she stupidly
upgraded to Word 2007 and wants her Word 2000 back!




From servinashadows at aol.com  Wed Oct 29 13:19:31 2008
From: servinashadows at aol.com (servinashadows at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:19:31 -0400
Subject: Help !K Again!
Message-ID: <8CB07E01CDB67F1-EFC-1C60@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com>

If anyone out there has done what Carol did and updated to Word 2007, I have run into that problem at my job.? Because I work in an English Department at a midwestern university, and instructors were complaining about 2007, I found a way to change the default in 2007 to 97-2003 defaults.? E-mail me off list if you want those instructions.? 

Lynda


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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 18:07:03 2008
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (Carol)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:07:03 -0000
Subject: Help !K Again!
In-Reply-To: <8CB07E01CDB67F1-EFC-1C60@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <gea8o7+qqvc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, servinashadows at ... wrote:
>
> If anyone out there has done what Carol did and updated to Word
2007, I have run into that problem at my job.? Because I work in an
English Department at a midwestern university, and instructors were
complaining about 2007, I found a way to change the default in 2007 to
97-2003 defaults.? E-mail me off list if you want those instructions.? 
> 
> Lynda

Thanks, Lynda. I do that, too, because most of the people I share
documents with use older versions. But I still miss Word 2000, which
was *much* simpler to use, geared toward simply formatted, "typed"
manuscripts (which most publishers still prefer) instead of colors,
images, and fancy fonts.

"Styles"? I'll take "Normal," thank you, even for titles and heads.
Just double-spaced, twelve-point Times New Roman with no boldface or
fancy formatting that the typesetter will have to undo. (Unless, of
course, the publisher *requires* special formatting, as with the
manuscript I'm currently editing, which have to be submitted and
copyedited one at a time, annoying as that is to me.)

Even worse, every time I add a comment or query to a long manuscript
in a recent version of Word (2002, 2003, 2007), the stupid Review Pane
has to update itself. Imagine the long wait when I have, say, three
hundred comments in a 600-page manuscript! I don't have the time or
the need to take a coffee break or a shower every time the stupid
program has to adjust itself. (Yeah, I can try to edit the chapters of
long projects one at a time and paste together a whole document that
way, but I shouldn't have to!)

If you (generic "you") need all that fancy stuff, go ahead and
upgrade, giving yourself about a day to adjust to the changes from
Word 2002 or 2003 and several days, if you're upgrading from Word 97
or Word 2000. But if you just want to type documents that resemble the
ones we used to compose on a typewriter (minus the extra space after a
period), keep your old version. JMO, as Alla says! Or JMVSO--just my
very strong opinion!)

My apologies for the rant, but Microsoft should have left Word 2000
alone (it works perfectly for *word processing*) and developed a
different program for people who want to publish brochures and
whatever else the "improved" Word is good for.

BTW, Potioncat, if you haven't solved your monitor problems yet, we
can talk about that again offlist when I get through with this project.

Carol, still waiting for today's chapter and not happy about it





From md at exit-reality.com  Wed Oct 29 18:17:21 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:17:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Help !K Again!
In-Reply-To: <8CB07E01CDB67F1-EFC-1C60@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CB07E01CDB67F1-EFC-1C60@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c939f2$964da6b0$c2e8f410$@com>

First, anyone not using 2007 can download a free plug-in from Microsoft
which allows older versions to open / edit / covert new style files.

2007 defaults to a .docx rather than a .doc format.

Use "Save As" then choose "word 97 - 2003 document" this will make it a .doc
file compatible with all versions.

To never use a .docx document (This will limit some of 2007 new functions
and formatting) go to the menu in the top left corner (office symbol
button): 

"word options" "save" "save files in this format" use the drop down and
select Word 97 - 2003.

md

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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:20 AM
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Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Help !K Again!

If anyone out there has done what Carol did and updated to Word 2007, I have
run into that problem at my job.? Because I work in an English Department at
a midwestern university, and instructors were complaining about 2007, I
found a way to change the default in 2007 to 97-2003 defaults.? E-mail me
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From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 03:58:02 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:58:02 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
Message-ID: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>

I saw the address that Obama made tonight, and his wife Michelle 
mentioned that Obama and his daughter had read every one of the books 
together.

Susan




From md at exit-reality.com  Thu Oct 30 04:37:57 2008
From: md at exit-reality.com (Cabal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:37:57 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>
References: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c93a49$48400ab0$d8c02010$@com>

Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:58 PM
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Obama and daughter HP fans

I saw the address that Obama made tonight, and his wife Michelle 
mentioned that Obama and his daughter had read every one of the books 
together.

Susan


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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 04:55:32 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:55:32 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gebeo4+egs6@eGroups.com>

> Susan:
> I saw the address that Obama made tonight, and his wife Michelle 
> mentioned that Obama and his daughter had read every one of the books 
> together.


Kemper now:
I saw it as well.  I wonder what his views on Snape were before his
reading of DH.

Kemper Hussein Mentor




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Oct 30 12:41:38 2008
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:41:38 -0000
Subject: movie news
Message-ID: <geca22+fdbg@eGroups.com>

Alan Rickman and Helena Bonham Carter are going to be in yet another 
movie together. Is this 3 now? Of all things, a new Disney "Alice in 
Wonderland." Tim Burton is directing.




From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 12:42:00 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:42:00 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <002f01c93a49$48400ab0$d8c02010$@com>
Message-ID: <geca2o+c8v5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Cabal" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.
> 
>

Yup, let's see, that's two people who were going to vote for Obama who 
now won't (smile).




From Schlobin at aol.com  Thu Oct 30 12:46:11 2008
From: Schlobin at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:46:11 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gebeo4+egs6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gecaaj+u2jc@eGroups.com>

I wonder if Senator Obama has figured out that J.K. Rowling might be a 
great person to have at the White House to read to the children at the 
annual Easter egg hunt.....

Susan




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 30 14:23:09 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>
References: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9D640FE26F4D44D8811975DA2333C101@FRODO>

[Susan]:
| I saw the address that Obama made tonight, and his wife Michelle 
| mentioned that Obama and his daughter had read every one of the books 
| together.

[Lee]:
Ah, so the Obama crew can't be all bad. :)  I don't see him as a Slytherin.

Lee :-)




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Oct 30 14:24:30 2008
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:24:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <002f01c93a49$48400ab0$d8c02010$@com>
References: <gebbca+l8rh@eGroups.com> <002f01c93a49$48400ab0$d8c02010$@com>
Message-ID: <AC3DD28D75864E78BF8EBD2D6A390E98@FRODO>

[Cabal]:
| Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.

[Lee]:
Hmm--you mean the "Extreme" types.  I consider myself Evangelical,
Undenominational Christian, and I love my Potter books.  I also love the
Midnight Syndicate music which many Christians would balk at considering it
the Devil's work. :-)

Smile,

Lee :-)




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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 19:52:53 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:52:53 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <AC3DD28D75864E78BF8EBD2D6A390E98@FRODO>
Message-ID: <ged3al+fcht@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" 
<n2fgc at ...> wrote:
>
> [Cabal]:
> | Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.
> 
> [Lee]:
> Hmm--you mean the "Extreme" types.  I consider myself Evangelical,
> Undenominational Christian, and I love my Potter books.  I also love the
> Midnight Syndicate music which many Christians would balk at considering it
> the Devil's work. :-)
> 
> Smile,
> 
> Lee :-)

Geoff:
You just beat me to a reply.

I am an evangelical Christian and belong to a UK Baptist 
church. There are several folk in the church of all ages 
who are HP fans - perhaps not as keen as I am -and 
with whom I can quite happily have a long discussion.








From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 23:33:32 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:33:32 -0000
Subject: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <ged3al+fcht@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gedg8c+j4ll@eGroups.com>

> > [Cabal]:
> > | Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.

> > [Lee]:
> > Hmm--you mean the "Extreme" types.

> Geoff:
> I am an evangelical Christian and belong to a UK Baptist 
> church. There are several folk in the church of all ages 
> who are HP fans - perhaps not as keen as I am -and 
> with whom I can quite happily have a long discussion.

Goddlefrood:

Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 01:20:27 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:20:27 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gedg8c+j4ll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gedmgr+1ohe@eGroups.com>


> > > [Cabal]:
> > > | Yeah, there goes the Evangelical vote.

> > Geoff:
> > I am an evangelical Christian and belong to a UK Baptist 
> > church. There are several folk in the church of all ages 
> > who are HP fans - perhaps not as keen as I am -and 
> > with whom I can quite happily have a long discussion.
 
> Goddlefrood:
> Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)


Kemper now:
I did. In order from most to least I voted: No, Yes, Democratic,
Pacific Green, and Republican.

Kemper






From gav_fiji at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 04:56:36 2008
From: gav_fiji at yahoo.com (Goddlefrood)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:56:36 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gedmgr+1ohe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gee364+m4vi@eGroups.com>

> > Goddlefrood:
> > Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)

> Kemper now:
> I did. In order from most to least I voted: No, Yes, Democratic,
> Pacific Green, and Republican.

Goddlefrood:

I hope it's not wasted. I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
if incorrect.




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 05:28:09 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:28:09 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gee364+m4vi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gee519+dnc9@eGroups.com>


> > > Goddlefrood:
> > > Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)
> 
> > Kemper:
> > I did. In order from most to least I voted: No, Yes, Democratic,
> > Pacific Green, and Republican.

> Goddlefrood:
> I hope it's not wasted. I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
> get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
> if incorrect.

Kemper:
Me too.
What are you hearing on the international front?

Kemper Hussein Mentor




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Oct 31 07:35:06 2008
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:35:06 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gee364+m4vi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <geecfa+edg5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...> wrote:
>
> > > Goddlefrood:
> > > Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)
> 
> > Kemper now:
> > I did. In order from most to least I voted: No, Yes, Democratic,
> > Pacific Green, and Republican.
> 
> Goddlefrood:
> 
> I hope it's not wasted. I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
> get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
> if incorrect.

Geoff:
Personally, speaking as an outside observer, I hope you will enjoy your eclairs.
:-)






From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 10:52:14 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:52:14 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gee364+m4vi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <geeo0u+pm75@eGroups.com>

> Goddlefrood:
> 
> I hope it's not wasted. I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
> get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
> if incorrect.
>


Alla:

Speaking as not outside supporter of Obama, I completely agree with 
you. I pray and hope that Obama wins, BUT I think that McCain wins.

So, yeah, hope your eclairs are tasty, but afraid you won't get to eat 
them.




From tfaucette6387 at charter.net  Fri Oct 31 10:54:15 2008
From: tfaucette6387 at charter.net (anne_t_squires)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:15 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <geecfa+edg5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <geeo4n+2jn2@eGroups.com>


> > > > Goddlefrood:
> > > > Are you going to cast your vote for Obama then? ;;)
> > 
> > > Kemper now:
> > > I did. In order from most to least I voted: No, Yes, Democratic,
> > > Pacific Green, and Republican.
> > 
> > Goddlefrood:
> > 
> > I hope it's not wasted. I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
> > get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
> > if incorrect.
> 
> Geoff:
> Personally, speaking as an outside observer, I hope you will enjoy
your eclairs.
> :-)
>
Anne T. Squires:

Really, is that what outsiders think?  That McCain will win?  Here in
the US an Obama win is pretty much seen as a foregone conclusion. 
Personally, I don't see McCain pulling out a win at this stage.  He is
so far behind in all the polls.  But, more importantly, it appears
that he is losing in states that usually vote Republican.  As you may
or may not know, the winner has to win the electoral vote, not the
popular vote.  Read, win in key populous states like Florida and
California.  I think Obama is going to take the electoral vote as well
as the popular vote.

Anne (who hopes she can vote today, because in her state there have
been people waiting in six and seven hour lines each day of early voting)




From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 10:57:30 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:57:30 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <geeo4n+2jn2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <geeoaq+563h@eGroups.com>

> Anne T. Squires:
> 
> Really, is that what outsiders think?  That McCain will win?  Here 
in
> the US an Obama win is pretty much seen as a foregone conclusion. 
> Personally, I don't see McCain pulling out a win at this stage.  He 
is
> so far behind in all the polls.  But, more importantly, it appears
> that he is losing in states that usually vote Republican.  As you 
may
> or may not know, the winner has to win the electoral vote, not the
> popular vote.  Read, win in key populous states like Florida and
> California.  I think Obama is going to take the electoral vote as 
well
> as the popular vote.
> 
> Anne (who hopes she can vote today, because in her state there have
> been people waiting in six and seven hour lines each day of early 
voting)
>


Alla:

I **hope** you are right, believe me I do. But personally I do not 
think that few percents differents in the poll matters that much. I 
mean, they are polling only sample audience, no? I know they are 
supposed to represent whole population, but I just do not think it is.

So we shall see I suppose.





From leekaiwen at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 20:01:38 2008
From: leekaiwen at yahoo.com (Kai Wen Lee)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
References: <geeo0u+pm75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <956280.48146.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alla earlier:

Speaking as not outside supporter of Obama, I completely agree with
you. I pray and hope that Obama wins, BUT I think that McCain wins.

CJ now:

A McCain win is a virtual impossibility. He's trailing in far too many states,  he's trailing at the national level by 6 to 8 points, and Obama's got a better than two-to-one lead in electoral votes. Over at FiveThirtyEight.com, they're giving McCain only a 4% chance of winning the popular vote, and less than a 1% chance of losing the popular vote but still winning the election. Meanwhile, McCain's Intrade stock has dropped to 16.5, his lowest since winning the Rep. nomination, and down from 53 following the RNC.

No candidate in US election history has turned around numbers like that this late in the game.

Personally, I would've voted for Obama, but his position on FOCA killed the deal for me.

--CJ
 
    

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 20:09:34 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:09:34 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <geeo0u+pm75@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gefolu+p18v@eGroups.com>

> > Goddlefrood:
> > ... I have a sneaking suspicion McCain may 
> > get in, but will gladly eat my hat (cunningly made from eclairs) 
> > if incorrect.
 
> Alla:
> Speaking as not outside supporter of Obama, I completely agree with 
> you. I pray and hope that Obama wins, BUT I think that McCain wins.
> 
> So, yeah, hope your eclairs are tasty, but afraid you won't get to
eat them.

Kemper now:
Alla!  Take that back!!!
Or is there superstition at play?  If so, I understand and honor that.  
The other day, I was listening on the radio (NPR?) about superstition.
 It crosses various socio/economical, religious and scientific, the
educated and the bliss backgrounds.

Kemper Hussein Mentor





From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 20:12:26 2008
From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:12:26 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <gefolu+p18v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <gefora+795v@eGroups.com>

> Kemper now:
> Alla!  Take that back!!!
> Or is there superstition at play?  If so, I understand and honor 
that.  
> The other day, I was listening on the radio (NPR?) about superstition.
>  It crosses various socio/economical, religious and scientific, the
> educated and the bliss backgrounds.
> 
> Kemper Hussein Mentor
>


Alla:

I am dying laughing at your signature. Yes, definitely superstition. I 
always prepare for the worst and then so happy if the best is coming :)




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 20:16:28 2008
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kempermentor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:16:28 -0000
Subject: I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
In-Reply-To: <956280.48146.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <gefp2s+ol1s@eGroups.com>


> CJ:
> Personally, I would've voted for Obama, but his position on FOCA
killed the deal for me.

Kemper now:
So would/did you vote for Chuck Baldwin?

Kemper Hussein Mentor 




From leekaiwen at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 21:18:56 2008
From: leekaiwen at yahoo.com (Kai Wen Lee)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] I voted!!!  was Re: Obama and daughter HP fans
References: <geeoaq+563h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <190214.15277.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alla earlier:

I **hope** you are right, believe me I do. But personally I do not
think that few percents differents in the poll matters that much. I
mean, they are polling only sample audience, no? I know they are
supposed to represent whole population, but I just do not think it is.

CJ now:

In both 2000 and 2004, the average of the final major national polls was well within their margins of error; in 2004, the average deviated from actual election results by less than a percent.

Polls just aren't wrong.

--CJ

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