Charisma was Re: Testing, 1,2,3

[Tonks]

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kempermentor" 
<kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Kemper wrote:
> > I'm going to rule out intelligence as a contributing factor 
toward
> > charisma as I've witnessed some amazingly stupid yet some how
> engaging people.  
> 
> > Carol responded:
> > I'm not so sure. I think it's a factor in *soem* people's 
charisma, Bill Clinton's, for sure. Intelligence conveyed with a 
twinkle draws people to you. (Dumbledore, anyone?)
> 
> Kemper now:
> Right, 'some', but it isn't a required trait to possess in order be
> charismatic. As for Dumbledore, I never thought of him as 
charismatic.  

Tonks:

I thought of DD as charismatic, as least a bit. That twinkle in the 
eye. That bit of a 'bad boy' bend the rules a bit sort of thing that 
makes some think that you are cool.

I have been giving this some thought. Mother Teresa was said to have 
that quality that made a person sitting with her 'feel' it. They 
felt the peace of God in her presence. I have know three men (why 
always men?) that had charisma. All of them were extroverts. And 
they seem to have a real love for people. One of them, when he 
talked to anyone treated them as if they were the only person in the 
room. I wonder if it is our unversial need to be loved and accepted 
that we feel coming from the one with charisma. I don't think it is 
that we always want them to be our leaders. Maybe our lovers, our 
friends, but not necessary leaders. Maybe it is what they use to 
call in my Psy. classes "unconditional postive regard", which is the 
basis for a good therapist-client relationship. But charisma goes 
beyond that. There is a 'something' else.

Kemper, I thought about the Myers-Briggs idea that you brought up. I 
am an INFP or a INFJ when pushed to do my paperwork in a timely 
fashion. And one of the men that I mentioned is a ENFP. It would be 
interesting to find out what others that are seen as charismatic 
have for a score. 

Tonks_op