[HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Carol's questions for New Steve Was: Tempest in a teapot/cup/kettle

[Stephen Vandecasteele]

> Carol responds:
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> Okay, so you understand that the real Alastor Moody was
> kept in his
> 
> own trunk for ten months by the imposter Barty Crouch, but
> didn't it
> 
> seem at all odd for Harry to address the real Moody, whom
> he'd never
> 
> actually met (except to glimpse his emaciated form, minus
> its magical
> 
> eye and prosthetic leg at the bottom of that trunk) as
> "Professor"
> 
> Moody when he never taught a single class and to act as if
> Moody were
> 
> someone he knew? The last time he saw a man who looked like
> Moody,
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> that man (really Barty Jr.) was trying to kill him. In the
> book, Harry
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> addresses him tentatively as "Professor Moody"
> and Moody says gruffly,
> 
> "Never got around to much teaching, did I?" or
> something like that.
> 
> Any confusion a reader might feel is immediately cleared
> up. There's
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> also a moment when he complains that his eye has felt dirty
> "ever
> 
> since that scum wore it." The movie, in contrast, acts
> as if Barty Jr.
> 
> never existed and "Professor Moody" were the same
> character who taught
> 
> Harry DADA the previous year.

Steve V. Responds

Just like any other person who has followed the HP Movies intently one comes to expect the unexpected. Your asking a movie question while referring to the books. Its like putting an out house in an elevator it dosen't fit.
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> Barty Jr.'s role in torturing the Longbottomws (*into
> insanity*) is
> 
> also ignored in OoP. He's one of four characters who
> are guilty of the
> 
> crime (Barty is a boy of nineteen at the time). The other
> three are
> 
> Bellatrix Lestrange (maiden name Black--she's Sirius
> Black's cousin),
> 
> her husband Rodolphus, and Rodolphus's brother,
> Rabastan. I can
> 
> understand leaving out the Lestrange brothers (even the
> books tend to
> 
> forget their existence, especially Rabastan's), but it
> seems to me
> 
> that the movies 1) shift the blame for the crime against
> the
> 
> Longbottoms from Barty Jr. to Bellatrix without indicating
> that they
> 
> acted together and 2) fail to make it clear that this
> particular use
> 
> of the Cruciatus Curse is no ordinary Crucio like Harry
> receives from
> 
> Voldemort in the graveyard in GoF but a prolonged Crucio by
> four DEs
> 
> that ended in their permanent incapicitation. There's a
> moving scene
> 
> involving Neville's mother, who dimly senses that
> Neville is important
> 
> to her. She can't speak, but she shows what remains of
> her love for
> 
> her son by giving him empty bubblegum wrappers. I was very
> 
> disappointed to see that scene cut from the film. As it is,
> it looks
> 
> as if Neville is contemplating revenge (not in the book)
> for a mere
> 
> Cruciatus Curse that happened fourteen years earlier. (Yes,
> the
> 
> Cruciatus Curse is an Unforgiveable and it's a form of
> torture, but
> 
> the victims don't usually suffer lasting harm. Neville
> is, to all
> 
> intents an orphan, just as Harry is. The difference is that
> his
> 
> parents are lying in a special ward in St. Mungo's
> where he can see
> 
> what's left of them at Christmas, but they will never
> recover from the
> 
> insanity that Bellatrix, Barty, and the Lestrange brothers
> inflicted
> 
> on them.
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> 
> All of that is lost in the films, and to me it seems like
> a
> 
> significant loss.
> 
> The problem with comparing what happens in the books with what happens in the movies is the comparison of both  into one. One really needs to seperate each in order to formulate an understanding of the other.

Steve V.
> 
> Carol, glad that New Steve is still in the Movie group and
> wondering
> 
> if we should move this discussion there
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