From n2fgc at arrl.net  Thu Apr  1 00:05:45 2010
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:05:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hp0lql+hift@eGroups.com>
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| Carol, misses the good old days when cars were cars (not 
| "vehicles") and nurses were nurses (not "clinicans" or 
| "healthcare workers")

[Lee]:
Ah--but there were Registered Nurses (RN), Practical Nurses (PN), Licenced
Practical Nurses (LPN), and I remember my neighbor way back over 25 years
ago was a Licensed Baby Nurse.  This was similar to a sort of Nanny, but her
job was to stay with mothers for close to a month after they had given birth
to help take the load off them.  then there are nurses with specialties and
some of them are almost equal to Physician Assistants, and they can
prescribe and treat to some extent.

So, clinician is, really, a good term as one never knows to what degree the
nurse has authority.

Smile,

Lee :-)
(Turning off her brain for a while.)

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From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 04:52:20 2010
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:52:20 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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> Carol:
> The sentence in question is "A fall, like a medication error, is a systems issue." Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 

Kemper:
No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole staff.  It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.

My understanding of what the nurse is attempting to state is this:
A fall, like a medication error, is a problem with the policies and/or procedures of the organization/nursing home.

Kemper




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 12:33:24 2010
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:33:24 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kemper" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> > Carol:
> > The sentence in question is "A fall, like a medication error, is a systems issue." Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 
> 
> Kemper:
> No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole staff.  It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.
> 
> My understanding of what the nurse is attempting to state is this:
> A fall, like a medication error, is a problem with the policies and/or procedures of the organization/nursing home.
> 
> Kemper
>

Annemehr:
I think Kemper's reply is the best yet, because it refers to policies (i.e. rules the management puts in place) and not to the staff directly.

And I am also completely unsure whether "systems issue" is meant to refer to conditions that led to the fall, or procedures to follow after a fall occurs, or both.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Apr  1 12:45:15 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:45:15 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <3D8680F3BB9B41D687DAD9E34397C35F@FRODO>
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Lee:
> some of them are almost equal to Physician Assistants, and they can
> prescribe and treat to some extent.

Potioncat:
I think that should read, some Physcian Assistants are almot equal to Nurse practicioners.
:-)

>Lee 
> So, clinician is, really, a good term as one never knows to what degree the
> nurse has authority.

Potioncat:
Clinician works because it can refer to any of several medical professions.

I do agree that the occupation "nurse" can mean a very wide rage of education levels, skills and jobs. For example, as an RN I was once an ICU nurse. But I couldn't walk into an ICU job now without re-training.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Apr  1 12:50:07 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:50:07 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hp23qk+6o7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hp24pv+uiao@eGroups.com>



> Annemehr:
> I think Kemper's reply is the best yet, because it refers to policies (i.e. rules the management puts in place) and not to the staff directly.
> 
> And I am also completely unsure whether "systems issue" is meant to refer to conditions that led to the fall, or procedures to follow after a fall occurs, or both.

potioncat:
Me too. (Because I can over here.)
Kemper's right about responsibility; while everyone may have a responsibility to protect a patient from a fall, it is the one clinician's ultimate responsibility. And because Anne is right, the author is talking more about the policies.
>





From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 14:11:51 2010
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:11:51 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hp18q4+mfge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hp29j7+h487@eGroups.com>

> Kemper:
> No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole staff.  It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.
> 
> My understanding of what the nurse is attempting to state is this:
> A fall, like a medication error, is a problem with the policies and/or procedures of the organization/nursing home.


Kemper, responding to me:
And to make it even clearer the problem with the policies/procedures is either that they aren't being followed or that they need to be changed/amended.

Thanks to Annemehr and Potioncat.

Kemper




From port_wine31 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  1 16:42:25 2010
From: port_wine31 at hotmail.com (Sherrie)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:42:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Editing question
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On Mar 31, 2010, at 6:28 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > Carol earlier:
> > Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of
> > the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the
> > patient" work?
>
> > Potioncat:
> > I like your sentence.
> > If the article is for nurses, then I'd change clinician to nurse.

> Carol responds:
> Thanks, PC. I would change "clinician" to "nurse" except that the
> journal, whose title (ironically) is "Home Healthcare Nurse,"
> actually recommends doing the opposite (changing "nurse" to
> "clinician") on the grounds that the journal is read by "many types
> of home care providers," not just nurses. I have a feeling that when
> the journal was established, people weren't so worried about being
> all inclusive.
>
> Carol, misses the good old days when cars were cars
>(not "vehicles") and nurses were nurses (not "clinicans"
> or "healthcare workers")



Sorry to intrude but a nurse is not a clinican,  the use of the term
clinican will lead others to believe the nurse is a physician nurse
practitioner. Physician assistant. Or clinical specialist. All of
these hold Advance degrees such as MAsters or doctorates
S Carter


Sent from my iPhone




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Fri Apr  2 00:47:38 2010
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:47:38 -0300
Subject: Editing question
Message-ID: <4BB53EAA.2030009@rescueddoggies.com>

Replying to
Kemper:
No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole 
staff. It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.

Speaking as both an ex student nurse, and an ex member of the Royal 
College of Nursing Executive at a national level in the UK, I'd have to 
say that while giving medication IS primarily the responsibility of the 
person dispensing the medication, numerous enquiries and even court 
cases have established that the organisation and its management are 
responsible for developing and enforcing safe practices for dispensing 
of medications, so it is an over-simplification to say that it is ONLY 
the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.


Replying to
the debate about clinician or nurse...

If it is being written for members of the general pubic I'd use the term 
nurse.  That the term most people associate with those on the "care" 
side, whereas "clinician" tends to be interpreted as more specific 
clinical care, like doctors, in the minds of the general public.


Replying to
misses the good old days when cars were cars (not "vehicles") and nurses 
were nurses (not "clinicans" or "healthcare workers")
and
wishing that clear writing weren't such a rare commodity

DITTO - but it it wasn't so rare, you wouldn't need to edit it!


Replying to
The author is a nurse educator (meaning that she teaches nursing at a 
university).

That explains it.  Like most professional, most of my nurse tutors 
tended to talk in professional jargon, naturally assuming that we would 
have the same background understanding.  At least the one you are 
editing for has the sense to get someone to edit it into plain English.  
It is very difficult for somebody with a depth of knowledge on a subject 
to get out of that mindset enough to make it clear for someone without 
any of that background knowledge.

Brian



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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 00:29:16 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:29:16 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "kemper" <kempermentor at ...> wrote:
>
> > Carol:
> > The sentence in question is "A fall, like a medication error, is a systems issue." Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 
> 
> Kemper:
> No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole staff.  It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med.
> 
> My understanding of what the nurse is attempting to state is this:
> A fall, like a medication error, is a problem with the policies and/or procedures of the organization/nursing home.
> 
> Kemper
>
Carol again:
Thanks. I think that is more or less what she's trying to say but saying that a fall is a problem with procedures isn't all that clear, either. Certainly, falls aren't *caused by* policies or procedures although maybe the failure to implement some policy or procedure contributed in some way to the fall. I think she means that it's the job of the whole staff to prevent falls and to "manage" them when they occur (by which she means report them and investigate them as well as follow up with the patient who fell). I think my best bet is just to query and let the author revise the sentence as best she can.

Carol, wishing that language were a precision tool




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 00:31:20 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:31:20 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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> Annemehr:
> I think Kemper's reply is the best yet, because it refers to policies (i.e. rules the management puts in place) and not to the staff directly.
> 
> And I am also completely unsure whether "systems issue" is meant to refer to conditions that led to the fall, or procedures to follow after a fall occurs, or both.
>
Carol:
Both, I think, since she talks about "fall prevention" and "fall management."

Carol, thanking everyone who contributed to this thread 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 00:42:53 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:42:53 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP5375C13F14E0AA955EBFF39E1D0@phx.gbl>
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S. Carter wrote:
> Sorry to intrude but a nurse is not a clinican,  the use of the term clinican will lead others to believe the nurse is a physician nurse practitioner. Physician assistant. Or clinical specialist. All of these hold Advance degrees such as MAsters or doctorates
> S Carter
> 

Carol responds:
Maybe you could write a letter to the editor of Home Healthcare Nurse making that point. I'm just following their guidelines, which state that not all their readers are nurses and they prefer the broader term "home healthcare clinician" for the first use of the term shortened to "clinician" for subsequent use.

As for me, I'm just in favor of clear, concrete diction (word choice) but in cases like this, policy overrules me.

Carol, who needs to check on her poultry product, erm, fried chicken  




From kempermentor at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  6 02:36:48 2010
From: kempermentor at yahoo.com (kemper)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:36:48 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hpdv8s+ke8d@eGroups.com>
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> > Kemper:
> > My understanding of what the nurse is attempting to state is this:
> > A fall, like a medication error, is a problem with the policies and/or procedures of the organization/nursing home.

> Carol again:
> Thanks. I think that is more or less what she's trying to say but saying that a fall is a problem with procedures isn't all that clear, either. Certainly, falls aren't *caused by* policies or procedures although maybe the failure to implement some policy or procedure contributed in some way to the fall. I think she means that it's the job of the whole staff to prevent falls and to "manage" them when they occur (by which she means report them and investigate them as well as follow up with the patient who fell). I think my best bet is just to query and let the author revise the sentence as best she can.

Kemper now:
No, falls aren't caused by policies and procedures.  But they probably occur more frequently because policies and procedures either aren't being adhered to or are not in effect.

Many falls probably occur in a nursing home as the patient gets up from a sitting/laying position in order to use the bathroom.

A policy might exist that a CNA is to assist the patient.
This would place responsibility on the patient (who probably experiences a loss of some mental capacity) to inform staff.
The staff would then assist the patient following some procedure.
The policy might later be amended to state that the CNA (who should have better mental capacity) will assist/escort patient into the bathroom every two hours.
A separate staffing policy might be 1CNA:8patient.  This policy might be amended to a lower ratio to assure that patients are getting to bathroom every couple of hours.
This shift in policies could see a reduction in falls along with the added procedure of adding a time check-in with the patient.

Kemper









From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Tue Apr  6 22:36:13 2010
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:36:13 -0300
Subject: Editing question
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replying to
Carol, wishing that language were a precision tool


It never will be.  Because people are different and people usually 
aren't precise.  But on the positive side, if it were precise, it would 
never change and grow.
At least problems like these keep you in work!

Brian



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From catlady at wicca.net  Mon Apr 12 02:57:59 2010
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:57:59 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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I'd like to change the subject line to 'Medication Error', but that would destroy the threading.

Kemper wrote in <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/40358>:

<< No, because a medication error is not the responsibility of the whole staff. It's the responsibility of the person dispensing the med. >>

All I know is from the Main Stream Media, but it seems to me that person prescribing the medication has some responsibility not to prescribe 1000 times the normal dose just by accident and not to prescribe a medication that he knows the patient is allergic to.

And the pharmacist or pharmacy technician has some responsibility to question a prescription for 1000 times the normal dose or for a medication to which he knows the patient is allergic, and generally to fill the prescription correctly (don't put two patient's pills in each other's pill bottles). 

And the person who puts the medication into the patient or hands the medication to a patient and stands guard while the patient takes it has some responsibility not to hand the patient a cup of Drano instead of a cup of what the pharmacy sent. 

Aren't all of those medication errors?

(I acknowledge Brian's more knowledgeable reply in <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/40364>)




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Apr 12 11:51:54 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:51:54 -0000
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 "Catlady :
>

> 
> All I know is from the Main Stream Media, but it seems to me that person prescribing the medication has some responsibility not to prescribe 1000 times the normal dose just by accident and not to prescribe a medication that he knows the patient is allergic to.
> 
> And the pharmacist or pharmacy technician has some responsibility to question a prescription for 1000 times the normal dose or for a medication to which he knows the patient is allergic, and generally to fill the prescription correctly (don't put two patient's pills in each other's pill bottles). 
> 
> And the person who puts the medication into the patient or hands the medication to a patient and stands guard while the patient takes it has some responsibility not to hand the patient a cup of Drano instead of a cup of what the pharmacy sent. 
> 
> Aren't all of those medication errors?


Potioncat, RN
Well, yes. All of those are medication errors. And there are about a gazillion other ways for errors to happen. If the MD makes an error in writing the order and neither the pharmacist nor the nurse catch it, they are all legally responsible. But the person who hands the med to the patient is just as responsible as the one who ordered it.

Something as obvious as a cup of Drano instead of a cup of OJ with Metamucil isn't likely to happen. But there have been cases where two different versions of a medication are difficult to tell apart which have caused serious problems. The person(s) who handed out the wrong one is at fault, but it led to a re-packaging of the two medications by the manufactorer.

Hospital nursing services have policies that serve as checks and balances to (hoepfully) prevent errors--counting the meds in the medication cart, having a second nurse read the MD's orders for example.

I think the article concerned nursing homes, or home health. In those cases you may not have a professional dispensing meds--but rather an aide or elderly spouse. Some pharmacies now provide bottles with large print and color coded caps make identifying the meds easier.

Potioncat, very glad that she no longer has to hand out meds. 






From n2fgc at arrl.net  Mon Apr 12 19:30:22 2010
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Editing question
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[PotionCat]:
| In those cases you may not have a professional dispensing 
| meds--but rather an aide or elderly spouse. Some pharmacies 
| now provide bottles with large print and color coded caps 
| make identifying the meds easier.

[Lee]:
They even do Braille labeling if requested.  I have all of Art's meds
labeled thusly since all the silly bottles look alike in size and shape.
Most of the pills I can identify by touch, but the capsules not so well.  So
having Braille labeling upon request works fine since I'm the one who
generally loads up his weekly pill box.

Cheers,

Lee :-)

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From no.limberger at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 15:47:18 2010
From: no.limberger at gmail.com (No Limberger)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:47:18 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Back to Alice in Wonderland Again
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>Potioncat wrote:
>Did anyone see the movie? What did you think? My 15 year-old son said it
was "Awesome!"

No.Limberger writes:
Visually, I thought it was very well done; but I never really got into the
movie itself. I had a much
better time watching the new "Clash of the Titans".


-- 
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Apr 15 23:34:34 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:34:34 -0000
Subject: Back to Alice in Wonderland Again
In-Reply-To: <l2r7ef72f91004150847p706f4066ibb8baac077a020a@mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> No.Limberger writes:
> Visually, I thought it was very well done; but I never really got into the
> movie itself. I had a much
> better time watching the new "Clash of the Titans".


Potioncat:
Visually I find it even creepier than the older ones. But I was spared seeing it at the last minute. 

Maybe I'll give the DVD a try.




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From no.limberger at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 20:48:54 2010
From: no.limberger at gmail.com (No Limberger)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:48:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Back to Alice in Wonderland Again
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	 <hq87qa+6tfl@eGroups.com>
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 > No.Limberger writes:
> Visually, I thought it was very well done; but I never really got into the
> movie itself. I had a much
> better time watching the new "Clash of the Titans".

>Potioncat:
>Visually I find it even creepier than the older ones. But I was spared
seeing
>it at the last minute.

>Maybe I'll give the DVD a try.

No.Limberger writes:
I'd say that it's okay as a DVD rental.

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From no.limberger at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 15:40:56 2010
From: no.limberger at gmail.com (tinroof.rusted)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:40:56 -0000
Subject: A New HP Book in 10 Years?
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no.limberger writes:
During a White House visit on Easter, JKR stated 
that she plans to write another Harry Potter book
possibly in 10 years. 

Reference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/05/AR2010040504162.html




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 22 20:25:30 2010
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:25:30 -0000
Subject: A New HP Book in 10 Years?
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--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "tinroof.rusted" <no.limberger at ...> wrote:
>
> no.limberger writes:
> During a White House visit on Easter, JKR stated 
> that she plans to write another Harry Potter book
> possibly in 10 years. 
> 

Nothing new really, it's the Scottish Book -- a HP encyclopedia.

Lizzie






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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 17:31:51 2010
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:31:51 -0000
Subject: SPAM: SPAM: SPAM -
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This is a link to a site selling Viagra, and likely /fake/ Viagra at that. 

Moderators?



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, desiivy at ... wrote:
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> http://sites.google.com/site/tcfge45d/cejn3g
>





From n2fgc at arrl.net  Tue Apr 27 19:48:47 2010
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:48:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] SPAM: SPAM: SPAM -
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[bboyminn]
| This is a link to a site selling Viagra, and likely /fake/ 
| Viagra at that. 
| 
| Moderators?

[Lee]:
my thinkings exactly, and this isn't the first one that has come through.
IMHO, if our moderator elves see a subject line with "Unknown" in it or
something like that, it should be flagged for examination.  It might contain
worse than a link to fake viagra...like a nasty computer-eating virus.

Peace,

Lee