From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 6 18:58:50 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 6 Feb 2010 18:58:50 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/7/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1265482730.481.18728.m10@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 7, 2010 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 1 minute.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2010 Yahoo! 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Would the student be sent home even if he lives some distance away from the school or would he just be forced to remain in his dormitory and not attend classes for a few days? (Imagine a Muggle kid who lives in Arizona but attends a boarding school in New York or even one who lives in Edinburgh but attends a boarding school in London. Surely, he wouldn't have to go home for a few days or a week. He just wouldn't be allowed to attend classes and would have to stay in his dormitory or, if he's done something slightly more serious, stay in his room.) Carol, who fears that for most kids who break the rules and get suspended, suspension isn't much of a punishment From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 7 17:56:10 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 7 Feb 2010 17:56:10 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/7/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1265565370.522.76164.m10@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! 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URL: From n2fgc at arrl.net Sun Feb 7 18:41:21 2010 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:41:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87D8B2F245EC4A7FAECB02D876EABD07@FRODO> | Carol, who fears that for most kids who break the rules and | get suspended, suspension isn't much of a punishment [Lee]: Couldn't agree more. Of course, if the parents act like parents and take the computer and cell phone away and enact proper discipline, then suspension could be a passable punnishment. But assuming that the kids would have their TV, video games, etc., that's certainly no punishment. Just my thoughts, being a most old-fashioned creature. Lee From catlady at wicca.net Sun Feb 7 23:41:41 2010 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:41:41 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <87D8B2F245EC4A7FAECB02D876EABD07@FRODO> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" wrote: > > | Carol, who fears that for most kids who break the rules and > | get suspended, suspension isn't much of a punishment > > [Lee]: > Couldn't agree more. Of course, if the parents act like parents and > take the computer and cell phone away and enact proper discipline, > then suspension could be a passable punnishment. But assuming that > the kids would have their TV, video games, etc., that's certainly no > punishment. > > Just my thoughts, being a most old-fashioned creature. When I was in high school, 'computer' meant IBM 360, the word 'cell phone' would have been meaningless -- the closest thing to a cell phone was a 'communicator' on Star Trek, and it didn't use a cell network. And most families only had one TV. Suspension was not an unpleasant punishment even at that time. It's sad that simply not being at school is a pleasure, even if you have to spend the time doing homework. I learned from one of my teachers that the reason for suspension is tbat the school got the per capita payment from the State of California for each student who was present, absent with permission, or suspended, but not for students who were absent without permission. So suspending them guaranteed that the school would get the payment, while detention (before or sometimes after school) did not prevent them from cutting class again. In addition, a teacher has to be paid to supervise a roomful of students in detention to make sure they arrive on time, stay there, don't get rowdy, and don't leave early, so detention costs money. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Feb 8 00:13:36 2010 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:13:36 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics Message-ID: You gotta read this! It's the Feb 7 Sally Forth comic strip. The cartoonists must know a Potter fanatic. Be honest, how many of us had the same reaction http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComick.mpl?date=20100207&name=Sally_Forth Potioncat, hoping the link works. From n2fgc at arrl.net Mon Feb 8 02:27:59 2010 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:27:59 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You'll have to explain for us who can't see graphics. There is no readable text. Lee :) | -----Original Message----- | From: potioncat [mailto:willsonkmom at msn.com] | Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 19:14 | To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com | Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics | | You gotta read this! It's the Feb 7 Sally Forth comic strip. | The cartoonists must know a Potter fanatic. Be honest, how | many of us had the same reaction | | http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComick.mpl?date=20100207& | name=Sally_Forth | | Potioncat, hoping the link works. | | | | ------------------------------------ | | ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ | | The main list rules also apply here, so make sure you read them! | http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#2 | | Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary | material from posts to which you're replying! | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | From brian at rescueddoggies.com Mon Feb 8 16:44:12 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:44:12 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B703F5C.3020507@rescueddoggies.com> To put things in UK 1990s context... By the early 1990s, cellphones were much more common for children and by the late 1990s texting was beginning to take over as the main form of communication for teens, most houses in Britain would have had more than one TV, with a child having one in their bedroom being quite common. Suspension tended to be used to very serious matters in British boarding schools and it would be unlikely to be for a few days, a few weeks as a minimum would be more likely. Parents would not be happy as it would cause major inconvenience and require them to make child-care arrangements or stay off work. It would pretty much be used as a final warning before a possible expulsion and therefore during a suspension parents would be expected to satisfy the school that the behaviour would not be repeated. Brian From n2fgc at arrl.net Mon Feb 8 17:18:35 2010 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B703F5C.3020507@rescueddoggies.com> References: <4B703F5C.3020507@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: <0F1EC2324387430984F5AF8651FCB461@FRODO> [Brian says]: | Suspension tended to be used to very serious matters in | British boarding | schools and it would be unlikely to be for a few days, a few | weeks as a | minimum would be more likely. Parents would not be happy as it would | cause major inconvenience and require them to make child-care | arrangements or stay off work. It would pretty much be used | as a final | warning before a possible expulsion and therefore during a suspension | parents would be expected to satisfy the school that the | behaviour would | not be repeated. [Lee]: Hmm--sounds like more of a punishment for the parents than the kids. Unfortunately, parenting has become a bit lax. Discipline has not the bite it used to when I was a kid, at least in the US. Spanking is a dead or dying art, grounding and taking away of privileges and allowance isn't as prevalent, and very few parents are going to sit with their kids and make sure they study and crack down. Perhaps because I'm not a parent I'm not painting an accurate view, but I'm going by what I see around me every day, hear from news and friends, etc. But I digress. I only say this because I still see suspension as not really effective unless strict discipline is enforced at home and some lessons learned about right and wrong. Peace, Lee :-) From alexisnguyen at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 00:55:52 2010 From: alexisnguyen at gmail.com (P. Alexis Nguyen) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:55:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee: > You'll have to explain for us who can't see graphics. There is no readable > text. Ali: Strip is between the mom and daughter (Mom's name escapes me; daughter is named Hil ... Hilary?). First panel (double panel): Mom: Why don't I ever see you read anymore, Hil? Hil: Because the Harry Potter series wrapped up almost three years ago. Panel 2: Mom: You know, there ARE other books. Hil: Mom, I gave my best years to the Potter books ... Panel 3: Hil: And when they ended, I never felt so deprived, so grief-stricken in my entire life ... Panel 4: Hil: I ... I just don't think I can stand to have my heart broken like that again. Panel 5: Mom: Read a book, Hil. Hil: Fine, but YOU'LL have to pick up the pieces when I fall apart again. To Potioncat: Honestly, when the HP books were done, I was left with a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I just thought that epilogue was so ... forced down my throat! (Nothing to do with ships, just didn't see why the book couldn't end before the epilogue.) When I think of HP now, I think of that epilogue, which is sad since it was a good series. However, I just don't enjoy "neat and tidy" endings - bit of a strange quirk of mine, I know, but everyone has to have various oddities to them. ~Ali From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Feb 9 12:40:53 2010 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:40:53 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ali: > Strip is between the mom and daughter (Mom's name escapes me; daughter >snipping strip content< Potioncat: Thanks for that excellent recap! I thought the strip captured the post HP mood pretty well. > Ali: > Honestly, when the HP books were done, I was left with a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. I just thought that epilogue was so ... forced > down my throat! Potioncat: It was a very sugary ending after a very intense couple of chapters. I found it jarring. But I have the opposite reaction in that I tend to forget it and think of the events around LV's fall as the end of the series. It's almost as if the epilogue is yet to happen. From brian at rescueddoggies.com Tue Feb 9 16:43:32 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:32 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B7190B4.5020500@rescueddoggies.com> Lee mentioned spanking - Just out of interest, within Europe, the countries where spanking has been banned for the longest happen to have the lowest rates of hooliganism. - It was a surprise to me too. Suspension isn't really designed as a punishment, but as a safety-valve - to remove problem and/or violent kids from a school until a solution can be found. Brian From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Feb 9 17:00:48 2010 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:00:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03D42236AA554ABA87F31E8ECD1B864B@FRODO> [Lee]: Yes, thanks for the text version. It would be nice if those sites put "Text Only" renditions on them. About the epilog: [Potioncat]: | It was a very sugary ending after a very intense couple of | chapters. I found it jarring. But I have the opposite | reaction in that I tend to forget it and think of the events | around LV's fall as the end of the series. It's almost as if | the epilog [Lee]: I enjoyed it, but I'm the kind that likes happy endings. Of course, one could say it's a dream of what will bee, with everything being so shrouded in smoke haze. Lee :-) From no.limberger at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:50:37 2010 From: no.limberger at gmail.com (No Limberger) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:50:37 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: <03D42236AA554ABA87F31E8ECD1B864B@FRODO> References: <03D42236AA554ABA87F31E8ECD1B864B@FRODO> Message-ID: <7ef72f91002100750v1e568d01q9e95dd49312e9821@mail.gmail.com> >Lee wrote: >I enjoyed it, but I'm the kind that likes happy endings. Of course, one >could say it's a dream of what will bee, with everything being so shrouded >in smoke haze. No.Limberger writes: I'd still like to see JKR write more within the HP universe. There are so many things that could be written about, such as the founders of Hogwarts, who Harry battles as an auror, etc. Of course, with all the money, she really doesn't need to do anything ever again; but I can hope. -- "Why don't you dance with me, I'm not no limberger!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Wed Feb 10 17:30:21 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:30:21 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: <7ef72f91002100750v1e568d01q9e95dd49312e9821@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, No Limberger wrote: > > >Lee wrote: > >I enjoyed it, but I'm the kind that likes happy endings. Of course, one > >could say it's a dream of what will bee, with everything being so shrouded > >in smoke haze. > > No.Limberger writes: > I'd still like to see JKR write more within the HP universe. There are so > many things > that could be written about, such as the founders of Hogwarts, who Harry > battles > as an auror, etc. Of course, with all the money, she really doesn't need to > do > anything ever again; but I can hope. Geoff: She has talked about doing an encyclopaedia of Harry Potter as a follow up. From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 13 18:55:37 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 13 Feb 2010 18:55:37 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/14/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1266087337.8.27962.m5@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 14, 2010 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 4 minutes.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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Looking for a story. What I remember is Hermione goes back to Hogwarts to teach when her daughter gets her letter. I believe her daughter's name is Samantha and she belongs to Severus. Draco raped Hermione in their 7th year and Snape found her. Please Help me! Curious From dk59us at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 18:40:46 2010 From: dk59us at yahoo.com (dk59us) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:40:46 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > Recently, the main list has been discussing suspension in relation to Harry and Snape. I won't repeat my arguments on that topic here, but I have a question. What, exactly, does suspension from a boarding school involve? In American public (state-supported) schools, students simply aren't allowed to attend school for a few days, meaning that they stay home. I assume that would also be the case in British day schools like the ominously named Stonewall High. But what about boarding schools? Would the student be sent home even if he lives some distance away from the school or would he just be forced to remain in his dormitory and not attend classes for a few days? (Imagine a Muggle kid who lives in Arizona but attends a boarding school in New York or even one who lives in Edinburgh but attends a boarding school in London. Surely, he wouldn't have to go home for a few days or a week. He just wouldn't be allowed to attend classes and would have to stay in his dormitory or, if he's done something slightly more serious, stay in his room.) > > Carol, who fears that for most kids who break the rules and get suspended, suspension isn't much of a punishment > Now Eustace_Scrubb: Having been a day student at a primarily boarding school in the US back in the 1970s, I can say that students who were suspended definitely did not stay on campus. Whether or not they lived across the continent, suspension meant going home. The headmaster previous to my attendance had been head of the school for over 65 years (yes, even longer than Dumbledore's term as head) and was most proud that he had never expelled a student. I don't know what his policy on suspension was, but his successor did use it sparingly. Since the general theory (quite probably valid) was that idleness leads to trouble, keeping a suspended student in his/her dorm not participating in class, sports, etc., would have been seen as a recipe for further disaster. Hope that helps, Cheers, Eustace_Scrubb From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 20 18:55:18 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 20 Feb 2010 18:55:18 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/21/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1266692118.11.45166.m2@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 21, 2010 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) 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In case it does not close down, this gallery will be removed. No damage done. In the mean while, you can download the fics individually or download the full content (the link to the zip file is provided). There are 770 HP-stories available with a collective size of 162Mb. The location of the backup is at the Writing Center: http://forum.writingcenter4.info/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=156 From no.limberger at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:24:39 2010 From: no.limberger at gmail.com (No Limberger) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:24:39 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: References: <7ef72f91002100750v1e568d01q9e95dd49312e9821@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ef72f91002230824o403fee00ke9fafa3771ff91ff@mail.gmail.com> >Geoff wrote: >She has talked about doing an encyclopaedia of Harry Potter as a follow up. No.Limberger responds: Yeah, I know. I'm sure that it will be good to have, but won't be the same as a new story. I'm hoping that as she has had time away from the stories, that new ideas may come within the HP Universe. -- "Why don't you dance with me, I'm not no limberger!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 23:58:43 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:58:43 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > > > Recently, the main list has been discussing suspension in relation to Harry and Snape. I won't repeat my arguments on that topic here, but I have a question. What, exactly, does suspension from a boarding school involve? Would the student be sent home even if he lives some distance away from the school or would he just be forced to remain in his dormitory and not attend classes for a few days? > > Carol, who fears that for most kids who break the rules and get suspended, suspension isn't much of a punishment > > > Eustace_Scrubb responded: > Having been a day student at a primarily boarding school in the US back in the 1970s, I can say that students who were suspended definitely did not stay on campus. Whether or not they lived across the continent, suspension meant going home. The headmaster previous to my attendance had been head of the school for over 65 years (yes, even longer than Dumbledore's term as head) and was most proud that he had never expelled a student. I don't know what his policy on suspension was, but his successor did use it sparingly. > > Since the general theory (quite probably valid) was that idleness leads to trouble, keeping a suspended student in his/her dorm not participating in class, sports, etc., would have been seen as a recipe for further disaster. > > Cheers, > > Eustace_Scrubb > Carol responds: thanks for your answer. I've been doing a bit of further research, though, and have found that some British boarding schools have an alternative form of suspension called "in-house" or "on-campus suspension," in which the student is not allowed to attend classes but must complete his schoolwork and be in a designated place supervised by a member of the faculty or staff. I suppose it would be like all-day detention doing schoolwork instead of lines. That way the disruptive student is removed from the classroom but is not allowed to goof off or make trouble. Personally, I think it's a better idea than normal suspension, which does get the student out of the teacher's hair for a few days but inconveniences the parents and does nothing to deter the student from being suspended again. he may even consider it a reward. In Harry's case, I can imagine him spending a few days in the library with Madam Pince standing watch over him, making sure that he was doing his work (and not defacing any books). That would be worse than returning to the Dursleys--and just as safe from attack by Voldemort or the DEs. Carol, who remembers the days when kids were sent to their room by their parents as a punishment (we didn't have TVs in our rooms, much less computers or video game consoles, but we could read, do homework, draw, or play quietly by ourselves) and suspension was considered a disgrace From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 00:18:30 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:18:30 -0000 Subject: The Heretic's Daughter Message-ID: I've recently read a historical novel about my Salem "witch" ancestor, Martha Carrier. Like most historical novels, it contains quite a bit of purely imagined action and dialogue and gets some details wrong, but it does a good job of presenting the trials and the conditions in the women's prison (which also contained children). I'd be interested in the reactions of anyone who reads this book and even though it's not perfect, I recommend it for anyone who wants to know more about the witch trials and the atmosphere in Massachusetts in the 1690s. The author is also a descendant of Martha Carrier, but through her daughter, Sarah, not her son, Thomas,as I am. Sorry, Potioncat! My distant cousin (ninth cousin once removed?) beat me to the punch in writing this novel. Carol, who almost forgot to say that the novel is "The Heretic's Daughter" by Kathleen Kent From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Feb 24 02:25:19 2010 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 02:25:19 -0000 Subject: The Heretic's Daughter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Sorry, Potioncat! My distant cousin (ninth cousin once removed?) beat me to the punch in writing this novel. > > Carol, who almost forgot to say that the novel is "The Heretic's Daughter" by Kathleen Kent > Potioncat: I didn't get very far into it, but maybe I'll give it another try. And just because there's one novel about Martha Carrier, doesn't mean you can't write one too! From brian at rescueddoggies.com Wed Feb 24 18:56:50 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:56:50 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B857672.6000509@rescueddoggies.com> replying to Personally, I think it's a better idea than normal suspension, which does get the student out of the teacher's hair for a few days but inconveniences the parents and does nothing to deter the student from being suspended again. he may even consider it a reward. Carol, you're missing the significance of a (normal) suspension in a British boarding school. Being sent home isn't likely to be for a few days, and is likely to be a final warning before explusion, basically giving parents a chance to make it clear to their son or daughter the seriousness of their situation. Another, more common punishment, might be gating or loss of privileges. Gating (not all schools use the same name for this) means you re not allowed out of school grounds for any reason - no popping out to the sweet shop or meeting local girls - no days or trips out . In my school this was enforced by the fact that your clothes were taken away and you had to spend the whole time in pyjamas. This was also to prevent the person doing a bunk (i.e. running away home.) Needless to say, some of us organised ways to get around this. Our school had as one of its clubs, an "education committee" of which I was chairman. We used school funds to buy (among other things) maps, railway timetables etc., and we also collected quite a stock of second hand clothing. Loss of privileges meant no taking part in any non curricular activities, no using the school pool, no TV, early bedtimes., etc., no access to any sweets that might have been sent to you or your pocket money. It would usually include chores as well. Brian From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 23:41:12 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:41:12 -0000 Subject: The Heretic's Daughter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry, Potioncat! My distant cousin (ninth cousin once removed?) beat me to the punch in writing this novel. > > > > Carol, who almost forgot to say that the novel is "The Heretic's Daughter" by Kathleen Kent > > > > Potioncat: > I didn't get very far into it, but maybe I'll give it another try. > And just because there's one novel about Martha Carrier, doesn't mean you can't write one too! > Carol: Thanks, PC. I certainly wouldn't write it from Sarah's point of view given that she was really not quite eight when she "testified" against her mother, who supposedly appeared to her as a black cat and carried her in spirit so that she could torment another little girl. (Poor little thing! Who put those strange ideas into her head?) It does start slowly (but so does LOTR, my favorite book of all time) and it does have some stylistic flaws (but so does "The Sunne in Splendour," my favorite historical novel ever) and it does have some important factual errors (primarily the ages of the two youngest children), but the later chapters moved me to tears. Some day when I get out from under my editing projects and have the money to travel to Massachusetts to examine the historical records, maybe I'll write that novel--or a nonfiction biography if there's enough information. I suppose that I could make it a saga--various ancestors from the Mayflower through Salem to the Revolutionary War. The Puritan poet and preacher Michael Wigglesworth, one of whose poems is called "Day of Doom," is also my ancestor. What a contrast! Carol, who thinks that JKR would admire Martha Carrier, the most courageous of the Salem "witches" and the only one to maintain her innocence without wavering from her arrest to her death From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 23:57:09 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:57:09 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B857672.6000509@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > Personally, I think [in-house suspension is] a better idea than normal suspension, which does get the student out of the teacher's hair for a few days but inconveniences the parents and does nothing to deter the student from being suspended again. He may even consider it a reward. Brian responded: > Carol, you're missing the significance of a (normal) suspension in a British boarding school. Being sent home isn't likely to be for a few days, and is likely to be a final warning before explusion, basically giving parents a chance to make it clear to their son or daughter the seriousness of their situation. Carol: I hope you mean the student's situation though it sounds as if you mean the parents'! (If a kid is that badly behaved, though, I don't know if the parents could get through to him. Maybe they'd say "If you can't behave at Eton, it's Stonewall High for you!") Brian: > Another, more common punishment, might be gating or loss of privileges. Gating (not all schools use the same name for this) means you re not allowed out of school grounds for any reason - no popping out to the sweet shop or meeting local girls - no days or trips out . In my school this was enforced by the fact that your clothes were taken away and you had to spend the whole time in pyjamas. This was also to prevent the person doing a bunk (i.e. running away home.) > Needless to say, some of us organised ways to get around this. Our school had as one of its clubs, an "education committee" of which I was chairman. We used school funds to buy (among other things) maps, railway timetables etc., and we also collected quite a stock of second hand clothing. > > Loss of privileges meant no taking part in any non curricular activities, no using the school pool, no TV, early bedtimes., etc., no access to any sweets that might have been sent to you or your pocket money. It would usually include chores as well. Carol: Thanks, Brian. I guess I'm thinking of suspension as it's practiced in the U.S. public schools. I don't know of any (modern) kid who takes it seriously. (In my day, we'd have considered it a disgrace, but that was another era altogether.) I still think that in-house suspension (or "gating" or any similar punishment that keeps the student on school grounds but suspends privileges and requires the kid to do his school work) is a better idea than sending him home, especially given the burden on the parents. If all else fails, of course, there's what the counselors call logical consequences. If the kid doesn't do the work, he fails the class. (It doesn't seem to work that way at Hogwarts, though.) Carol, who still wonders what suspension amounts to at Hogwarts since we never see it (even the expelled Hagrid remains on the school grounds) From brian at rescueddoggies.com Thu Feb 25 16:46:05 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:46:05 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B86A94D.2000801@rescueddoggies.com> Replying to > If the kid doesn't do the work, he fails the class. (It doesn't seem to work that way at Hogwarts, though.) Keeping someone back a year is almost unheard of in British state (i.e. public) schools, that's why. I've never heard of it happening. I can't speak for public (i.e. private) schools. However, apparently it happened to Marcos Flint, although JKR only said that he'd been kept back a year when it was pointed out that she'd had him there for eight years, so I suspect it was an excuse for an error rather than her intention. Replying to > Carol, who still wonders what suspension amounts to at Hogwarts since we never see it (even the expelled Hagrid remains on the school grounds) I think Hagrid remaining on the grounds was very much the exception because the great Dumbledore wanted him to stay, even though, as he wasn't Headmaster, he couldn't stop his expulsion. Brian From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Feb 26 20:32:51 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:32:51 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B86A94D.2000801@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Brian wrote: Brian: > Keeping someone back a year is almost unheard of in British state (i.e. > public) schools, that's why. I've never heard of it happening. I can't > speak for public (i.e. private) schools. However, apparently it > happened to Marcos Flint, although JKR only said that he'd been kept > back a year when it was pointed out that she'd had him there for eight > years, so I suspect it was an excuse for an error rather than her intention. Geoff: Indeed it is true of all English schools that keeping someone back a year is unheard of. Educational regulations specify the age at which a pupil must be to enter a given school year. There are even occasions where twins have been placed in different years because their birthdays fell across the 31st August/1st September cut-off date. The only cases I ever heard of were exceptional ones where a pupil was injured or ill during the year of their GCSE or A Level national exams and were too ill to attend classes or have private tuition. From brian at rescueddoggies.com Sat Feb 27 16:23:21 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:23:21 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B8946F9.3010208@rescueddoggies.com> replying to Geoff: Indeed it is true of all English schools that keeping someone back a year is unheard of. Educational regulations specify the age at which a pupil must be to enter a given school year. However it doesn't stop pupils from being advanced a year. It happened to me. Brian From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sat Feb 27 18:00:59 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:00:59 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B8946F9.3010208@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Brian wrote: Geoff: > Indeed it is true of all English schools that keeping > someone back a year is unheard of. Educational regulations > specify the age at which a pupil must be to enter a given > school year. Brian: > However it doesn't stop pupils from being advanced a year. It > happened to me. Geoff: Which is a different kettle of fish... From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Feb 27 19:05:48 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 27 Feb 2010 19:05:48 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/28/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1267297548.542.49560.m14@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! 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As a symposium for adult fans and scholars of the Harry Potter novels, we aim to promote scholarly analysis of the books, to provide forums for debate and analysis among fans of those works, and to provide professional development opportunities for teachers, librarians and academic scholars. Proposals are sought for presentations, papers, moderated panels, and workshops on any topic relating to the Harry Potter novels and/or the fan community. We welcome formal papers as well as proposals for a variety of presentation models, including prepared panel discussions and workshops. For workshops in particular, we encourage topics that focus on audience participation and interaction. Infinitus 2010 welcomes submissions in the following fields: ? Literary and Media Studies ? Law, Politics, Ethics ? Social Sciences ? Education and Library Science ? Fandom Studies and Culture ? Fan Creativity ? GLBT and/or Gender Studies We also welcome submissions outside these areas. We encourage fresh perspectives and original presentations that develop these themes or other topics relating to the novels, derivative works in any media, and fandom culture. As you delve into any or all of the themes and fields suggested here, we invite you to imagine the infinite possibilities of each. - Heidi PS - Let me know if you have any questions about programming, or Infinitus in general - we can discuss it on hpfgu-otchatter at yahoogroups.com or hpfgu-convention at yahoogroups.com if anyone wants to. - heidi PS - more info coming next month about the Event in the Park After Hours, which will take place after the park closes on July 16 From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 17:31:05 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:31:05 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland Message-ID: Is anyone planning to see the new (and extremely weird) production of "Alice in Wonderland" with Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter? Like "Sweeney Todd," this film includes several HP actors in the cast: Alan Rickman as the Caterpillar (that will be interesting!), Helena Bonham-Carter in a major role as the Red Queen, and Timothy Spall as Bayard (whoever or whatever that is--you'd think he'd be the White Rabbit. It looks too strange and surreal for my taste, but maybe I'll watch the Alan Rickman part on You Tube eventually. Carol, who would love to see those three acting together in something unconnected with Johnny Depp, say an adaptation of Charles Dickens novel From md at exit-reality.com Sun Feb 28 18:05:47 2010 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:47 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cab8a0$a7353280$f59f9780$@com> Okay, I have to ask, have you ever read Alice in Wonderland? Strange and Surreal? Yep!!! That's what both the original books are. md -----Original Message----- From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of justcarol67 It looks too strange and surreal for my taste, From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Feb 28 18:08:19 2010 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 28 Feb 2010 18:08:19 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 2/28/2010, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1267380499.14.44597.m2@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday February 28, 2010 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2010 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From catlady at wicca.net Sun Feb 28 18:25:27 2010 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:25:27 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter in the Sunday Comics In-Reply-To: <7ef72f91002230824o403fee00ke9fafa3771ff91ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No Limberger wrote in : << Yeah, I know. I'm sure that [JKR's Potter encyclopedia] will be good to have, but won't be the same as a new story. I'm hoping that as she has had time away from the stories, that new ideas may come within the HP Universe. >> I expect or hope that there will be a number of short stories in her Potter Encyclopedia. Perhaps the entry on Minerva McGonagall will tell of her wild young days and the world-saving adventure in which she became an Animagus. From catlady at wicca.net Sun Feb 28 18:37:14 2010 From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:37:14 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B8946F9.3010208@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: Geoff wrote in : << Indeed it is true of all English schools that keeping someone back a year is unheard of. Educational regulations specify the age at which a pupil must be to enter a given school year. >> Brian replied in : << However it doesn't stop pupils from being advanced a year. It happened to me. >> I don't understand. I understood Geoff to say that the regulation requires that a pupil must turn 5 on or before September 1 to enter Kindergarten, and so on for each grade (American terminology). Meaning that someone like Hermione, with birthday on September 19, entered First Year very shortly before her 12th birthday. If anyone ever deserved to skip a year, it's Hermione. But the regulation that I thought Geoff mentioned would prevent her from being skipped unless she was somehow able to change her birthday from Sept 19 to Sept 1. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Feb 28 18:38:28 2010 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:38:28 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol wrote: > > Is anyone planning to see the new (and extremely weird) production of "Alice in Wonderland" with Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter? snip> > It looks too strange and surreal for my taste, but maybe I'll watch the Alan Rickman part on You Tube eventually. Potioncat: Not me! In the first place, I can barely stand the old Disney animated movie. An older 30s version used to scared the daylights out of me and just the photo of Depp!Hatter gives me chills. He looks like an Inferius. (Ed Wynn's Hatter was one character I liked.) Oddly enough we were having this very conversation this morning. My husband he and my son are going, and I'm not sure if he was serious or just teasing me. MD asked if you had read the book. I haven't. But the whole story has always seemed like a fever dream to me. > > Carol, who would love to see those three acting together in something unconnected with Johnny Depp, say an adaptation of Charles Dickens novel > Potioncat: Me too! From bhobbs36 at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 18:51:32 2010 From: bhobbs36 at gmail.com (Bel~ , Lexicon_Bel~) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:51:32 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You should know that this story takes place after Alice is grown-up. Wonderland (Underland) has gone dark, and needs Alice's help. So the creepy surrealism is quite fitting actually. I'm looking forward to seeing it! From brian at rescueddoggies.com Sun Feb 28 20:26:51 2010 From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:26:51 -0300 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools Message-ID: <4B8AD18B.5080103@rescueddoggies.com> replying to Geoff: Which is a different kettle of fish... HEY! Are you calling me a fish? Do I smell or something lol Brian From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 20:52:42 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:52:42 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: <000301cab8a0$a7353280$f59f9780$@com> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > It looks too strange and surreal for my taste, "Child Of Midian" responded: > > Okay, I have to ask, have you ever read Alice in Wonderland? > > Strange and Surreal? Yep!!! That's what both the original books are. Carol responds: Not only read it multiple times (the first few times as a child) but taught it, along with "Through the Loooking Glass," to a freshman composition class back in the early 1990s. But the book seems perfectly sane and normal in comparison with this particular interpretation. I have to ask, have you seen the previews? Carol, who may simply be too familiar with the original book, Tenniel illustrations and all, to find it strange From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 21:03:13 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:03:13 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > > > Is anyone planning to see the new (and extremely weird) production of "Alice in Wonderland" with Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter? > snip> > > It looks too strange and surreal for my taste, but maybe I'll watch the Alan Rickman part on You Tube eventually. > Potioncat: > Not me! In the first place, I can barely stand the old Disney animated movie. An older 30s version used to scared the daylights out of me and just the photo of Depp!Hatter gives me chills. He looks like an Inferius. (Ed Wynn's Hatter was one character I liked.) > > Oddly enough we were having this very conversation this morning. My husband he and my son are going, and I'm not sure if he was serious or just teasing me. > > MD asked if you had read the book. I haven't. But the whole story has always seemed like a fever dream to me. > Carol responds: Hi, Potioncat! The book isn't bad, really, if you don't mind a too-smart-for-her-own-good seven-year-old (she seems more like ten) and the rather ugly 19th-century line drawings. Some of it is funny, especially the parodies, which Lewis Carroll did more cleverly than JKR (IMO). But the Disney version, with its stupid songs, was a travesty (though the Alice character was considerably prettier than the original). I love one of Alice's lines (to her older sister, who is reading one of the dullest books ever written): "And what is the use of a book without pictures and conversations?" The original Alice books have plenty of both. And BTW, in the original, she does wake up to find that it's all a dream and the characters are "nothing but a pack of cards." Apparently, that's not the case in the new one, which looks as if she's on drugs (anyone remember Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit"?) or just plain insane. Carol, glad that someone else is creeped out by this movie From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 28 21:10:57 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:10:57 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Catlady (Rita Prince" wrote: > > Geoff wrote in : > > << Indeed it is true of all English schools that keeping someone back a year is unheard of. Educational regulations specify the age at which a pupil must be to enter a given school year. >> > > Brian replied in : > > << However it doesn't stop pupils from being advanced a year. It happened to me. >> > > I don't understand. I understood Geoff to say that the regulation requires that a pupil must turn 5 on or before September 1 to enter Kindergarten, and so on for each grade (American terminology). Meaning that someone like Hermione, with birthday on September 19, entered First Year very shortly before her 12th birthday. If anyone ever deserved to skip a year, it's Hermione. But the regulation that I thought Geoff mentioned would prevent her from being skipped unless she was somehow able to change her birthday from Sept 19 to Sept 1. Geoff: I think I wasn't totally clear here. I was speaking in the context of someone being held back to repeat a year. There are situations where a pupil might be allowed to advance a year (as Brian has suggested) but it would normally only happen at secondary school level and would perhaps be a child who was exceptionally bright - the sort of child who takes an Oxford entry exam at 14; such elevated minds do exist! Also, just for clarification, I did not say that the regulation was "on or before 1st September"; I referred to the 31st August/1st September cut-off date; in other words the regulation is "before 1st September". From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 28 21:16:06 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:16:06 -0000 Subject: Suspension in boarding schools In-Reply-To: <4B8AD18B.5080103@rescueddoggies.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Brian wrote: > Geoff: > Which is a different kettle of fish... Brian: > HEY! Are you calling me a fish? > Do I smell or something > > lol Geoff: No, sir. I wouldn't be so rude! If I *had* wanted to imply that,. I would have written '"WHO is a different kettle of fish'. :-)) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 21:09:05 2010 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:09:05 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Bel~ , Lexicon_Bel~" wrote: > > You should know that this story takes place after Alice is grown-up. Wonderland (Underland) has gone dark, and needs Alice's help. So the creepy surrealism is quite fitting actually. I'm looking forward to seeing it! > Carol responds: I do know that. It makes no difference to me since, as I said, I don't like creepy surrealism. Carol, now wondering what the rating is and whether the filmmakers will respect Lewis Carroll's original vision enough to keep it PG13 From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Feb 28 22:22:59 2010 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:22:59 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > > "Bel~ , Lexicon_Bel~" wrote: > > > > You should know that this story takes place after Alice is grown-up. Wonderland (Underland) has gone dark, and needs Alice's help. So the creepy surrealism is quite fitting actually. I'm looking forward to seeing it! > > > Carol responds: > I do know that. It makes no difference to me since, as I said, I don't like creepy surrealism. > > Carol, now wondering what the rating is and whether the filmmakers will respect Lewis Carroll's original vision enough to keep it PG13 > Annemehr: Thanks Bel~, I hadn't realised that. I do a like a bit of surrealism, and I think my sense of what's creepy is a little off. I am not a big fan of Lewis Carroll, so I am not worried about what Tim Burton's interpretation is. The only reason I might miss seeing this one is that I don't get out to the movies much -- might have to wait for the DVD. What about "Clash of the Titans"? There's one I would so love to be a good one but I'm so afraid it won't be. Annemehr From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk Sun Feb 28 21:13:19 2010 From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:13:19 -0000 Subject: Alice in Wonderland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Bel~ , Lexicon_Bel~" wrote: > > You should know that this story takes place after Alice is grown-up. Wonderland (Underland) has gone dark, and needs Alice's help. So the creepy surrealism is quite fitting actually. I'm looking forward to seeing it! Geoff: In other words, the screenplay writer (and presumably other production staff) have felt it necessary to mess around with story line. Here we go again. (sigh).