From predigirl1 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 04:59:24 2010
From: predigirl1 at yahoo.com (Alex Hogan)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmem1h+3627@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <76521.89301.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I just want to know why Alan Rickman's character "The Caterpillar" is being so hidden? It must be really cool! Well, it?IS Alan Rickman!
?

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 3:09 PM


? 




"Bel~ , Lexicon_Bel~ " <bhobbs36 at .. .> wrote:
>
> You should know that this story takes place after Alice is grown-up. Wonderland (Underland) has gone dark, and needs Alice's help. So the creepy surrealism is quite fitting actually. I'm looking forward to seeing it!
>
Carol responds:
I do know that. It makes no difference to me since, as I said, I don't like creepy surrealism.

Carol, now wondering what the rating is and whether the filmmakers will respect Lewis Carroll's original vision enough to keep it PG13









      

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From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Mar  1 12:12:56 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:12:56 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmem9f+ioa0@eGroups.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff

 
Geoff:
In other words, the screenplay writer (and presumably other production
staff)
have felt it necessary to mess around with story line.

Here we go again. (sigh).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In other words, the screenwriter crafted a sequel to the original stories
set ten years after, therefore not "messing around" with it at all but more
likely leaving it intact by not trying to tell it once again.

(sigh)

md




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Mar  1 16:19:49 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:19:49 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <76521.89301.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <hmgpf5+45bn@eGroups.com>

, Alex Hogan <predigirl1 at ...> wrote:
>
> I just want to know why Alan Rickman's character "The Caterpillar" is being so hidden? It must be really cool! Well, it??IS Alan Rickman!
> ??

Potioncat:
My son and husband say it looks like Rickman without actually being his face stuck on a bug--looks as if Rickman may have been wearing the sensor things that are used in animating the features.

My son says it looks cool---and he knows not to kid around about matters Rickman. ;-)




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar  1 17:37:54 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:37:54 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <002101cab938$86b97a50$942c6ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <hmgu1i+4115@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Child Of Midian" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff
> 
>  
> Geoff:
> In other words, the screenplay writer (and presumably other production
> staff)
> have felt it necessary to mess around with story line.
> 
> Here we go again. (sigh).

md:
> In other words, the screenwriter crafted a sequel to the original stories
> set ten years after, therefore not "messing around" with it at all but more
> likely leaving it intact by not trying to tell it once again.
> 
> (sigh)

Geoff:
Well, in that case, why call it "Alice in  Wonderland" which leads 
people to believe that it is a remake of the original story?

(irritated sigh)




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 22:56:10 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:56:10 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmgu1i+4115@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hmhgma+9cgj@eGroups.com>

Geoff wrote:
> > In other words, the screenplay writer (and presumably other production staff) have felt it necessary to mess around with story line.
> > 
> > Here we go again. (sigh).
> 
> md replied:
> > In other words, the screenwriter crafted a sequel to the original stories
> > set ten years after, therefore not "messing around" with it at all but more
> > likely leaving it intact by not trying to tell it once again.
> > 
> > (sigh)
> 
> Geoff responded:
> Well, in that case, why call it "Alice in  Wonderland" which leads 
> people to believe that it is a remake of the original story?
> 
> (irritated sigh)
>
Carol adds:
I'm with Geoff. When Dorothy returned to Oz in not one but two uncanonical sequels, the producers called the films (one of them made for TV) "Return to Oz." If Alice returns to Wonderland in an equally uncanonical sequel, why not call the film "Return to Wonderland"?

Not that I'd be any more eager to see it with that title, but at least it would prevent misconceptions about what viewers would see when they got there. And thank goodness for online previews so parents can check what the film will be like before taking young children.

Carol, who for some reason keeps typing "Ox" for "Oz"




From md at exit-reality.com  Mon Mar  1 23:00:28 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:00:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
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References: <002101cab938$86b97a50$942c6ef0$@com> <hmgu1i+4115@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002401cab992$fc8b45b0$f5a1d110$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff


Geoff:
Well, in that case, why call it "Alice in  Wonderland" which leads 
people to believe that it is a remake of the original story?

(irritated sigh)



------------------------------------
The title of the original book is "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and
"Through the looking glass."


md




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar  1 23:39:37 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:39:37 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <002401cab992$fc8b45b0$f5a1d110$@com>
Message-ID: <hmhj7p+3ac2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Child Of Midian" <md at ...> wrote:

Geoff:
> Well, in that case, why call it "Alice in  Wonderland" which leads 
> people to believe that it is a remake of the original story?
> 
> (irritated sigh)

md:
> The title of the original book is "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and
> "Through the looking glass."

Geoff:
You're splitting hairs. In the UK, the book is almost universally known as
"Alice in  Wonderland".

I was given a copy by my grandmother when I was about six; I remember 
the book very clearly and although it had the full title on the cover, I 
have never called it anything other than the abbreviated name,

If you intend to go in for pedantry, the second book is actually called 
"Through the looking glass and what Alice found  there",."

My point is, as others have also said, that if the same title as the earlier 
book or film is used again, the impression is created that it is a remake, 
which apparently it isn't.  




From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Mar  2 00:30:07 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:30:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmhj7p+3ac2@eGroups.com>
References: <002401cab992$fc8b45b0$f5a1d110$@com> <hmhj7p+3ac2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001cab99f$82ccf810$8866e830$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff


md:
> The title of the original book is "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and
> "Through the looking glass."

Geoff:
You're splitting hairs. In the UK, the book is almost universally known as
"Alice in  Wonderland".
................................................
Actually I thought from a marketing standpoint it was REALLY DUMB to use
that title. Further, I wasn't splitting anything, simply pointing out that
"Alice in Wonderland" was not what the book was originally published as.

md




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  2 01:44:27 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:44:27 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <000001cab99f$82ccf810$8866e830$@com>
Message-ID: <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Child Of Midian" <md at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> md:
> > The title of the original book is "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the looking glass."
> 
> Geoff:
> You're splitting hairs. In the UK, the book is almost universally known as "Alice in  Wonderland".

md again:
> Actually I thought from a marketing standpoint it was REALLY DUMB to use that title. Further, I wasn't splitting anything, simply pointing out that "Alice in Wonderland" was not what the book was originally published as.

>
Carol:

The movie versions, however, have always been called "Alice in Wonderland." And we're talking about a movie version here, or rather, about a sequel that fails to identify itself as a sequel.

If you mean that it's really dumb of Tim Burton to use that title, then we agree. If you mean the producers of earlier versions that follow the book more closely (or turn it into a musical like the Disney version), I disagree. As you probably know, the book is commonly referred to as "Alice in Wonderland" in the U.S. as well as the U.K. Most people expect a film called "Alice in Wonderland" to be about a little girl, just as they expect a film called "Moby Dick" (generally spelled without Melville's hyphen) to be about a mad captain and a white whale).

By the way, there's no need to get upset when someone disagrees with you. This is a discussion group, after all, and if we all agreed, there'd be no point in discussing anything.

Carol, who agrees with Geoff that the title is misleading 




From aletamosquito at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 02:18:42 2010
From: aletamosquito at gmail.com (Aleta Turner)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:18:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com>
References: <000001cab99f$82ccf810$8866e830$@com> <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3591e0871003011818u1ae08f0ek58ecb914d379d340@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:44 PM, justcarol67 <justcarol67 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>  . Most people expect a film called "Alice in Wonderland" to be about a
> little girl, just as they expect a film called "Moby Dick" (generally
> spelled without Melville's hyphen) to be about a mad captain and a white
> whale).
>

Aleta:
I didn't know much at all about the film, and until reading this email
exchange, I certainly assumed it would be about a child who ends
up in wonderland. Perhaps it is somewhat misleading on
purpose? (The filmmakers can't be so dumb as not to realize
there would be confusion.)

-Aleta


-- 
~~~~~~~~
"Beauty is before me, and beauty is behind me, above me and below me hovers
the beautiful... In beauty it is begun. In beauty, it is ended."
-Navaho


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From md at exit-reality.com  Tue Mar  2 04:06:54 2010
From: md at exit-reality.com (Child Of Midian)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:06:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com>
References: <000001cab99f$82ccf810$8866e830$@com> <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001601cab9bd$cb4e8a40$61eb9ec0$@com>



-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of justcarol67


>
Carol:

The movie versions, however, have always been called "Alice in Wonderland."
And we're talking about a movie version here, or rather, about a sequel that
fails to identify itself as a sequel.

If you mean that it's really dumb of Tim Burton to use that title, then we
agree. If you mean the producers of earlier versions that follow the book
more closely (or turn it into a musical like the Disney version), I
disagree. As you probably know, the book is commonly referred to as "Alice
in Wonderland" in the U.S. as well as the U.K. Most people expect a film
called "Alice in Wonderland" to be about a little girl, just as they expect
a film called "Moby Dick" (generally spelled without Melville's hyphen) to
be about a mad captain and a white whale).

By the way, there's no need to get upset when someone disagrees with you.
This is a discussion group, after all, and if we all agreed, there'd be no
point in discussing anything.

Carol, who agrees with Geoff that the title is misleading 



------------------------------------
I have never been upset about anything, I was having a discussion, it seems
other people are getting upset for no reason I understand. 

Since "Alice in Wonderland" has been filmed, I don't know, 100+ times I
don't think referring to an film as anything other than a new and unique
interpretation would make any sense, this is not in any way, shape or form a
sequel to any of those 100 films, cartoons and tv movies. My understanding
is that re-prints of the original novel have only been called "Alice in
Wonderland" for two reasons, because films have made the title simple and
recognizable and because it's a blanket title for collections -- this is
simply my understanding. I've never actually read the book, nor have I cared
for any film version to date so I have no preconceived idea as to her age.

We all agree the title is a bad move, I was simply pointing out that it's
not actually the original title of the book, don't know why that's a
problem.

md 




From jnoyl at aim.com  Tue Mar  2 06:16:23 2010
From: jnoyl at aim.com (James Lyon)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 23:16:23 -0700
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
Message-ID: <624136A1-FB25-49F1-9057-5EC978E177BB@aim.com>

I don't think it is possible for the film world to actually make  
"Alice in Wonderland." In fact, I wonder if they ever read the book  
or just copied from a prior movie.
They always want to blend the book and "Through the Looking Glass"  
into one movie that loses all threads and is just a jumble.
I once thought that Disney's was the worse, until I went to a local  
rental store, rented "Alice in Wonderland," and discovered an XXX  
movie. It was in the CHILDREN'S section. I returned it and pointed  
out the error. I wonder how many children got a real education from  
the movie?



From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  2 06:00:10 2010
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:00:10 -0000
Subject: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <76521.89301.qm@web63705.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <hmi9ha+4is5@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Alex Hogan <predigirl1 at ...> wrote:
>
> I just want to know why Alan Rickman's character "The Caterpillar" is being so hidden? It must be really cool! Well, it??IS Alan Rickman!
> ??
> 

Not too hidden though!  Hope this works (fingers crossed figuratively):

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w26/lizzie_lilly/AbsolemtheCaterpillar.jpg

Lizzie




From kenadams705 at btinternet.com  Tue Mar  2 18:49:24 2010
From: kenadams705 at btinternet.com (KEN ADAMS)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:49:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland
In-Reply-To: <3591e0871003011818u1ae08f0ek58ecb914d379d340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cab99f$82ccf810$8866e830$@com> <hmhqhr+tttg@eGroups.com> <3591e0871003011818u1ae08f0ek58ecb914d379d340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <557828.24816.qm@web87006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

You want to bet. Dumbness and Movie makers are synonymous. JMO.
KEN




________________________________
From: Aleta Turner <aletamosquito at gmail.com>
To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March, 2010 2:18:42
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Alice in Wonderland

? 
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:44 PM, justcarol67 <justcarol67@ yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> . Most people expect a film called "Alice in Wonderland" to be about a
> little girl, just as they expect a film called "Moby Dick" (generally
> spelled without Melville's hyphen) to be about a mad captain and a white
> whale).
>

Aleta:
I didn't know much at all about the film, and until reading this email
exchange, I certainly assumed it would be about a child who ends
up in wonderland. Perhaps it is somewhat misleading on
purpose? (The filmmakers can't be so dumb as not to realize
there would be confusion.)

-Aleta

-- 
~~~~~~~~
"Beauty is before me, and beauty is behind me, above me and below me hovers
the beautiful... In beauty it is begun. In beauty, it is ended."
-Navaho

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From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Sun Mar  7 06:38:54 2010
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 23:38:54 -0700
Subject: Alan Rickman
Message-ID: <7ABDAE34CF3547B880A0394EDFC55E92@Marianne>

Speaking of Alan Rickman.

My G** that man is in some dark movies.  I've been poking around Amazon trying to find some of his stuff.  Some of the DVD's that I'm interested in are discontinued by the manufacturer, they are very expensive, they were made a good 10 years ago, plus they are the wrong region.  I'm really interested in Rasputin.  I don't know if I dare see Sweeny Todd.

Other than the Harry Potter movies, the first movie I saw him in was Bottleshock.  I really liked it.  But I haven't really been seriously looking for his movies until now.

Just some observations.  I'm thinking I won't see Alice in Wonderland until I comes out on DVD.

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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Mar  7 17:43:56 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:43:56 -0000
Subject: Alan Rickman
In-Reply-To: <7ABDAE34CF3547B880A0394EDFC55E92@Marianne>
Message-ID: <hn0oks+6n14@eGroups.com>



Marianne:
>
> Speaking of Alan Rickman.
> 
> My G** that man is in some dark movies.  I've been poking around Amazon trying to find some of his stuff. .> 
> Marianne
.

Potioncat:
Dark movies puts it mildly!
Netflix is a good source for his movies---don't have to buy them unless  you want to. That's how I saw Rasputin. Have you seen it yet?

My favorite RA movie is Sense and Sensibility which you can find at Target sometimes. Not dark at all.

Truly Madly Deeply is very good--though I could only watch it once and Robin Hood is a riot.

I liked Snowcake (partly because I have someone on the autism spectrum.) Something  the Lord made is good.




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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 00:42:46 2010
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:42:46 -0000
Subject: Alan Rickman
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> Potioncat:
> Dark movies puts it mildly!
> Netflix is a good source for his movies---don't have to buy them unless  you want to. That's how I saw Rasputin. Have you seen it yet?
> 
> My favorite RA movie is Sense and Sensibility which you can find at Target sometimes. Not dark at all.
> 
> Truly Madly Deeply is very good--though I could only watch it once and Robin Hood is a riot.
> 
> I liked Snowcake (partly because I have someone on the autism spectrum.) Something  the Lord made is good.
>


Annemehr:
I second Something the Lord Made.

Also, Love Actually.




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From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar 14 21:24:50 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:24:50 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
Message-ID: <hnjk72+akhq@eGroups.com>

Geoff:
Just a bit of trivia. Ignore if you wish..

This evening I was half watching  BBC1 television when my other half 
was looking at a programme about the love story of Queen Victoria 
and Prince Albert. Towards the end of the programme, my concentration 
span suddenly perked up when I heard something on the background 
music which I recognised. I said "That is definitely HP music".

Investigating my music CDs afterwards, I was indeed right; it was the 
track entitled "Dumbledore's Army" from OOTP. Nicholas Hooper 
obviously moves in exalted circles!




From wildirishrose at fiber.net  Tue Mar 16 18:27:43 2010
From: wildirishrose at fiber.net (wildirishrose01us)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:27:43 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <hnjk72+akhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hnoiiv+m7kn@eGroups.com>

There have been a couple of actors have been in HP movies and Dr. Who.  I know of at least 2, and there might be more.

One situation stands out.  Dr. and Martha are in a Shakespear era, and they are having troubles.  Course when aren't they having troubles in that show.  :o)

For some reason Martha yells "Expelliarmus" and the Dr. yells "Thank you J.K."  There's also a reference to the DH in one of the Dr. Who. shows.  Dr. said "It made me cry."

Both references made me laugh.

Marianne

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> Geoff:
> Just a bit of trivia. Ignore if you wish..
> 
> This evening I was half watching  BBC1 television when my other half 
> was looking at a programme about the love story of Queen Victoria 
> and Prince Albert. Towards the end of the programme, my concentration 
> span suddenly perked up when I heard something on the background 
> music which I recognised. I said "That is definitely HP music".
> 
> Investigating my music CDs afterwards, I was indeed right; it was the 
> track entitled "Dumbledore's Army" from OOTP. Nicholas Hooper 
> obviously moves in exalted circles!
>





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 17 16:24:53 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:24:53 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <hnoiiv+m7kn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hnqvol+2okr@eGroups.com>

Marianne wrote:
>
> There have been a couple of actors have been in HP movies and Dr. Who.  I know of at least 2, and there might be more.
> 
> One situation stands out.  Dr. and Martha are in a Shakespear era, and they are having troubles.  Course when aren't they having troubles in that show.  :o)
> 
> For some reason Martha yells "Expelliarmus" and the Dr. yells "Thank you J.K."  There's also a reference to the DH in one of the Dr. Who. shows.  Dr. said "It made me cry."
> 
> Both references made me laugh.

Carol responds:
Even the educational TV show "Nova" had a Harry Potter reference. Last night I was watching an episode about the evolution of flowering plants. One of the scientists was excited to find mandragora fruit, which he had been looking for for a long time, and referred to the plant as "mandragora, made famous by the Harry Potter series" (or Harry Potter books, I forget his exact words).

I didn't laugh, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Thu Mar 18 07:29:01 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:29:01 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <hnqvol+2okr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hnsknt+oou5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Carol:
> Even the educational TV show "Nova" had a Harry Potter reference. Last night I was watching an episode about the evolution of flowering plants. One of the scientists was excited to find mandragora fruit, which he had been looking for for a long time, and referred to the plant as "mandragora, made famous by the Harry Potter series" (or Harry Potter books, I forget his exact words).
> 
> I didn't laugh, of course, but I was pleasantly surprised.
> 
> Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne

Geoff:
I originally posted this at about 20:00 GMT yesterday and it seems to 
have gone AWOL. Oddly, a post I sent a day or so ago took ten hours 
to appear....

John Donne immediately makes me think of "no man is an island" and "never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee".

But mandragora?

Can you, O wisest of Carols enlighten me please?
:-)





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 14:49:03 2010
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:49:03 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <hnqvol+2okr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho02sv+21sg@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> ...
> 
> Carol responds:
> ..."Nova" had a Harry Potter reference. Last night I was watching an episode about the evolution of flowering plants. One of the scientists was excited to find mandragora fruit, ... "mandragora, made famous by the Harry Potter series" (or Harry Potter books, I forget his exact words).
> 
> ...
>
> Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne
>

bboyminn:

I don't know if it is necessary to note, but I'm pretty sure "Mandragora" is another name for Mandrake Root. 

Steve/bboyminn




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar 19 21:48:48 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:48:48 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho02sv+21sg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho0rg0+ics3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "bboyminn" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
 
> --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
 Carol responds:
> > ..."Nova" had a Harry Potter reference. Last night I was watching an episode about the evolution of flowering plants. One of the scientists was excited to find mandragora fruit, ... "mandragora, made famous by the Harry Potter series" (or Harry Potter books, I forget his exact words).

> > Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne

bboyminn:
> 
> I don't know if it is necessary to note, but I'm pretty sure "Mandragora" is another name for Mandrake Root. 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Geoff:
That point has been made by JKR in COS....

'To nobody's surprise, Hermione;'s hand was first into the air.
"Mandrake, or Mandragora, is a powerful restorative," said 
Hermione, sounding as usual as though she had swallowed
the textbook....'
(COS "Gilderoy Lockhart" p.72 UK edition)

And to prove that she ain't kidding, my dictionary says:

mandragora >noun literary the mandrake, especially 
when used as a narcotic.





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 23:36:55 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:36:55 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <hnsknt+oou5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho11qn+clks@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff" <gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
Carol earlier:
> > Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne
> 
Geoff responded:
<snip>
> John Donne immediately makes me think of "no man is an island" and "never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee".
> 
> But mandragora?
> 
> Can you, O wisest of Carols enlighten me please?
> :-)
>
Carol again:
How can I resist such a lovely compliment, O most gentlemanly of Geoffs? It's not mandragora per se but mandrake (its other name) that I associate with Donne:

Go and catch a falling star,
Get with child a mandrake root,
Tell me where all past years are,
Or who cleft the devil's foot . . . .

The whole "Song," as you may recall, is about the supposed impossibility of finding a woman who's both beautiful and faithful to her lover.

Carol, who likes Donne despite his (apparent) misogyny




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 19 23:42:10 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:42:10 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho0rg0+ics3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho124i+d079@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> > > ..."Nova" had a Harry Potter reference. Last night I was watching an episode about the evolution of flowering plants. One of the scientists was excited to find mandragora fruit, ... "mandragora, made famous by the Harry Potter series" (or Harry Potter books, I forget his exact words).
> 
> > > Carol, who always associates mandragora (mandrake) with John Donne
> 
bboyminn responded:
> > 
> > I don't know if it is necessary to note, but I'm pretty sure "Mandragora" is another name for Mandrake Root. 
> > 
> Geoff added:
> That point has been made by JKR in COS....
<snip>
> "Mandrake, or Mandragora, is a powerful restorative," said 
Hermione <snip>
>
Carol again:
Right. I was taking everyone's familiarity with the mandrake/mandragora connection for granted when I posted--especially since we're discussing CoS on the main list.

Carol, who nevertheless should have stated her assumptions rather than leaving them implicit




From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Mar 20 07:35:37 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:35:37 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho11qn+clks@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho1ts9+asu7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

Geoff:
> <snip>
> > John Donne immediately makes me think of "no man is an island" and "never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee".
> > 
> > But mandragora?
> > 
> > Can you, O wisest of Carols enlighten me please?
> > :-)

Carol:
> How can I resist such a lovely compliment, O most gentlemanly of Geoffs? It's not mandragora per se but mandrake (its other name) that I associate with Donne:
> 
> Go and catch a falling star,
> Get with child a mandrake root,
> Tell me where all past years are,
> Or who cleft the devil's foot . . . .
> 
> The whole "Song," as you may recall, is about the supposed impossibility of finding a woman who's both beautiful and faithful to her lover.
> 
> Carol, who likes Donne despite his (apparent) misogyny

Geoff:
I obviously haven't delved determinedly and deeply enough into 
the depths of Donne.
:-)

I have to admit my age and say that I associate "catch a falling star"
with one of the singers of past times - Perry Como? or possibly 
Andy Williams?

!Yahoo tried to stop me being gentlemanly. After refusing to accept 
my first reply, my second go took about 36 hours to get posted on 
the group.
:-(





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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 15:59:20 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:59:20 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho1ts9+asu7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho844o+1ava@eGroups.com>


> Geoff:
> I obviously haven't delved determinedly and deeply enough into 
> the depths of Donne.
> :-)
> 
> I have to admit my age and say that I associate "catch a falling star"
> with one of the singers of past times - Perry Como? or possibly 
> Andy Williams?
> 
Potioncat:

Andy Williams---but darn if I can remember the tune.(Not surprising, given my lack of singing ability.)

I think I should give Donne a try too. I didn't know those rather famous lines were his.




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Mar 22 16:14:49 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:49 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho844o+1ava@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho851p+762e@eGroups.com>

 
> Potioncat:
> 
> Andy Williams---but darn if I can remember the tune.(Not surprising, given my lack of singing ability.)
> 


Potioncat again:
google says I'm wrong. It's Perry.





From gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar 22 23:11:18 2010
From: gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk (Geoff)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:11:18 -0000
Subject: Funny where HP turns up!
In-Reply-To: <ho851p+762e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho8tem+5or9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
>  
> > Potioncat:
> > 
> > Andy Williams---but darn if I can remember the tune.(Not surprising, given my lack of singing ability.)
> > 
> 
> 
> Potioncat again:
> google says I'm wrong. It's Perry.

Geoff:
I *thought* it was. It didn't quite chime with AW's style when I thought about it.

Try this link:
http://www.links2love.com/lyrics-catch-a-falling-star.htm





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 03:13:49 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:13:49 -0000
Subject: Andy Williams (Perry Como) and John Donne (Was: Funny where HP turns up!)
In-Reply-To: <ho844o+1ava@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho9bld+mecd@eGroups.com>

Potioncat:
> 
> Andy Williams---but darn if I can remember the tune.(Not surprising, given my lack of singing ability.)

Carol responds:

I can't sing you the tune, obviously, though you can probably find it on I-tunes (sp?) and similar sites, but the melody is catchy and you'll probably remember it if you read the lyrics. From memory, it's something like this:

Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket,
Never let it fade away.
Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket,
Never let it fade away.
the moon may come and tap you on the shoulder,
Some starless night--

And suddenly my memory fades something about "It's easy to forget you want to hold her," but, anyway, you get the idea. Not great poetry, just a harmless little 1950s tune, the kind that housewives used to listen to on the radio as they washed the dishes and did the laundry.

Potioncat:
> 
> I think I should give Donne a try too. I didn't know those rather famous lines were his.
>
Carol:
Absolutely. Be prepared for two John Donnes, though. When I was in grad school, my professors called them Jack the Rake and Dr. Donne (the young man sowing his wild oats and praising his mistresses in rather colorful terms and the doctor of divinity writing metaphysical poetry about God and his own doubts and fears. If you want an example of the stark contrast, try "To His Mistress Going to Bed" (one of the famous lines addresses the beloved as "O my America, my newfound land") 
http://www.online-literature.com/donne/440/
and Holy Sonnets VII ("At the round earth's imagined corners blow/Your trumpets, angels")
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/holysonnet7.php

You might also like "The Sun Rising," in which he calls the sun "busy old fool, pedantic wretch" for coming in through the windows and disturbing him and his mistress (in the sense of the woman he loves and serves). 
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/sunrising.php

The Luminarium site has audio versions of some of the poems for anyone who's interested.
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/donnebib.htm

It's important to bear in mind that he was writing in the late sixteenth and early seventeenth century and despite being brilliant was a product of his time, so some of his ideas may grate on modern sensibilities. (I've chosen sites with modern spelling; the original spelling is somewhat eccentric.) Phrases that you'll recognize if you read many of his poems include "for whom the bell tolls" and "no man is an island." 

Carol, who thinks that teenage boys might learn to like poetry if they read Donne's "Songs and Sonnets," many of which are rather risque but lively and imaginative




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 03:18:08 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:18:08 -0000
Subject: Andy Williams (Perry Como) and John Donne (Was: Funny where HP turns up!)
In-Reply-To: <ho9bld+mecd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ho9btg+bp77@eGroups.com>

Carol (misquoting):
> Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket,
> Never let it fade away.
> Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket,
> Never let it fade away.
Er, I mean, "Save it for a rainy day." But you probably already know that thanks to Geoff's link.

Carol, who had it right in her head even though she typed the same thing twice




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 25 17:48:30 2010
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:48:30 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Burn!
Message-ID: <hog7le+mdu9@eGroups.com>

I suppose it is old news by now, but during the filming of part
of the 'Battle of Hogwarts' scene, the set caught fire and 
several fire departments had to be called to the set. 

Reports indicate that only a couple hundred thousand dollars in
damage was done. Which is a lot of money, but nothing compared
to the value of the building and the entire worth of the sets 
and props. 

The primary actors, were not on set at the time.

Steve/bluewizard




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 26 21:02:01 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:02:01 -0000
Subject: Editing question
Message-ID: <hoj7c9+13kg@eGroups.com>

I'm copyediting an article for a nursing journal and I've come across the term "systems issue." Can someone define that term for me in ordinary English? (I'm half-assuming that "issue" here means "problem," but a circular definition like "a problem with the systems" won't help me. Which "systems" and why is "systems" plural?)

The article is about falls by patients in nursing homes and the falls are referred to as "a systems issue," whatever that means.

Thanks,
Carol




From n2fgc at arrl.net  Sat Mar 27 13:57:56 2010
From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force))
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:57:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hoj7c9+13kg@eGroups.com>
References: <hoj7c9+13kg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B11EA49762E545978A3A8A057E65DE41@FRODO>

[Carol]:
| I'm copyediting an article for a nursing journal and I've 
| come across the term "systems issue." Can someone define that 
| term for me in ordinary English? (I'm half-assuming that 
| "issue" here means "problem," but a circular definition like 
| "a problem with the systems" won't help me. Which "systems" 
| and why is "systems" plural?)
| 
| The article is about falls by patients in nursing homes and 
| the falls are referred to as "a systems issue," whatever that means.
| 
| Thanks,

[Lee]:
I don't know if this is what is being referred to, but I found this for your
perusal:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=5151&page=453

This might shed some light, if this sounds like what you're seeking.

Smile,

Lee :-)

Do not walk behind me,    | Lee Storm
I may not care to lead;   | N2FGC
Do not walk before me,    | n2fgc at arrl.net (or)
I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net
Walk beside me, and be my friend.




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Sat Mar 27 14:16:36 2010
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:16:36 -0300
Subject: Editing question
Message-ID: <4BAE1344.306@rescueddoggies.com>

A problem with the organisation or management of the home that leave 
residents vulnerable.
The "systems" involved include nursing care, maintenance (and even 
design of the home, fittings etc.,), cleaning staff and their 
procedures, administration (including the decision-making process on who 
is suitable to reside in the home)

Brian



From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com  Sat Mar 27 17:56:05 2010
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 27 19:37:34 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:37:34 -0000
Subject: Editing question
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Brian wrote (in response to my request for a definition of "systems issue"):
>
> A problem with the organisation or management of the home that leave residents vulnerable. The "systems" involved include nursing care, maintenance (and even design of the home, fittings etc.,), cleaning staff and their procedures, administration (including the decision-making process on who is suitable to reside in the home)
> 
Carol responds:

Thanks, Brian. I was looking for a way to express the idea in only a few words. Would "preventing and managing falls is the responsibility of all staff members" work? (It would already be clear that we're talking about falls involving patients in nursing homes.) I don't want to change the author's meaning, I just want to make it instantly clear to readers who, according to the journal, want easy-to-understand articles that they can read in a hurry. ("Managing falls," the author's own phrase used elsewhere in the article, means dealing with falls that have already happened.)

Carol
 




From catlady at wicca.net  Sun Mar 28 03:50:01 2010
From: catlady at wicca.net (Catlady (Rita Prince)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:50:01 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hoj7c9+13kg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <homjl9+htl4@eGroups.com>

Carol wrote in <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/40342>:

> I'm copyediting an article for a nursing journal and I've come across
> the term "systems issue." Can someone define that term for me in 
> ordinary English? (I'm half-assuming that "issue" here means 
> "problem," but a circular definition like "a problem with the 
> systems" won't help me. Which "systems" and why is "systems" plural?)
> 
> The article is about falls by patients in nursing homes and the falls
> are referred to as "a systems issue," whatever that means.

In this case, I suspect that I would have said "systemic issue", meaning that the problem is caused by things deeply part of the situation, so solving/reducing the problem requires significant change to how the facility does stuff. 

I can think of examples in the theory of defect-free manufactuing, which asks why the defects occured, in order to prevent them, in contrast to the old method of never stop the assembly line, inspect the products at the end for defects, if there are too many defects, punish the workers. If defects were found that came from putting a module in bckwards, a change could be made to prevent this error, such as by painting the module to make it obvious which end is which.

But if the situation is that we give patients drugs that disrupt their balance and then put them in rooms with slippy throw rugs and no hand rails, then gluing down the rugs or installing hand rails doesn't sound like a deep change to how things are done.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 28 10:21:41 2010
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:21:41 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hoj7c9+13kg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <honajl+kcqa@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm copyediting an article for a nursing journal and I've come across the term "systems issue." Can someone define that term for me in ordinary English? ...
> 
> Thanks,
> Carol
>

Well, you seem to have gotten some good answers, but it seems to me, in order to accurately define the term, we need to see it in a broader context. 

All we have is "nursing journal" and the term itself "systems issues".

This could be data management, patient management, administrative management; it could be any number of things, but I don't think we can really know for sure until we see the term in a greater context. 

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn





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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Mar 28 20:27:19 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:27:19 -0000
Subject: Back to Alice in Wonderland Again
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Did anyone see the movie? What did you think? My 15 year-old son said it was "Awesome!"




From brian at rescueddoggies.com  Mon Mar 29 01:25:32 2010
From: brian at rescueddoggies.com (Brian)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:25:32 -0300
Subject: Editing question
Message-ID: <4BB0018C.4050302@rescueddoggies.com>

replying to
"preventing and managing falls is the responsibility of all staff members"

Works for me
But if the suthor uses terms like systems issue, perhaps he/she doesn't 
want it to be understood easily   lol

Brian



From heidi8 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:22:37 2010
From: heidi8 at gmail.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:22:37 -0400
Subject: Infinitus Registration Price Rises on April 1
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From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 16:49:28 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:49:28 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <homjl9+htl4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hovueo+m8fu@eGroups.com>

Carol earlier:
> 
> > I'm copyediting an article for a nursing journal and I've come across the term "systems issue." Can someone define that term for me in 
> > ordinary English? <snip>

Catlady responded: 
> In this case, I suspect that I would have said "systemic issue", meaning that the problem is caused by things deeply part of the situation, so solving/reducing the problem requires significant change to how the facility does stuff. <snip>

Carol again:

Thanks, but that term won't resolve the problem. I'm trying to eliminate the abstract diction for the sake of readers who want clarity and instant comprehensibility, not more precise technical terms. If you don't know what a systems issue is, calling it a "systemic issue" won't help you. (You're on the right track, though; the writer is trying to discuss "organizational characteristics" of the home care agency in relation to "fall management." The sentence in question is "A fall, like a medication error, is a systems issue." Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 

Carol, who wishes that people would just say what they mean




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 17:08:28 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:08:28 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <4BB0018C.4050302@rescueddoggies.com>
Message-ID: <hovvic+977a@eGroups.com>

Brian wrote:
>
> replying to
> "preventing and managing falls is the responsibility of all staff members"
> 
> Works for me
> But if the suthor uses terms like systems issue, perhaps he/she doesn't want it to be understood easily   lol
> 
> Brian
>
Carol responds:
Hi, Brian. The author is a nurse educator (meaning that she teaches nursing at a university). She does want her writing to be understood, which is why she has me edit it. (Three of the four articles I've edited for her so far have been published; I'm not sure about the fourth.)

Carol, wishing that clear writing weren't such a rare commodity




From willsonkmom at msn.com  Wed Mar 31 22:39:24 2010
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:39:24 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hovueo+m8fu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hp0ius+106t6@eGroups.com>



> Carol again:
 Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 
> 
> Carol, who wishes that people would just say what they mean
>
Potioncat:
I like your sentence.
If the article is for nurses, then I'd change clinician to nurse. 





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 31 23:28:21 2010
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:28:21 -0000
Subject: Editing question
In-Reply-To: <hp0ius+106t6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <hp0lql+hift@eGroups.com>


Carol earlier:
>  Would "A fall, like a medication error, is the responsibility of the whole staff, not just the clinician in charge of the patient" work? 

> Potioncat:
> I like your sentence.
> If the article is for nurses, then I'd change clinician to nurse.
>
Carol responds:
Thanks, PC. I would change "clinician" to "nurse" except that the journal, whose title (ironically) is "Home Healthcare Nurse," actually recommends doing the opposite (changing "nurse" to "clinician") on the grounds that the journal is read by "many types of home care providers," not just nurses. I have a feeling that when the journal was established, people weren't so worried about being all inclusive. 

Carol, misses the good old days when cars were cars (not "vehicles") and nurses were nurses (not "clinicans" or "healthcare workers")