From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 17:44:27 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:44:27 -0000 Subject: Need help with Southern dialect (American) In-Reply-To: <4DE2C453.000080.02424@TANK> Message-ID: "Donna" wrote: > > I'm from the southeastern corner of Kentucky (Harlan County) and have always heard the word "done" used in place of have/had. ("I done made the bed." > I done fixed supper." "I done done/did it.". > > Donna Carol responds: Harlan County? Have you seen the movie "Harlan County War," where Ted Levine ("Monk," "Silence of the Lambs," etc.) dances a jig with a cigarette in one hand and a Mason jar of "shine" in the other? That's one of my favorite films, partly because he does such a good job playing his unemployed coal miner character. (Holly Hunter is also good as his wife.) Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. I done decided how I'm a-gonna handle it. It don't really make nobody no never mind 'cause the whole thing done been made up. (I just wanted to make the dialect consistent and the use of "don't" for "have/had" consistent.) Just one more question: Should I use "don't" alone for "have/has" and "had done" for "had," or just "done" for any and all of them? Carol, who really likes this particular editing project despite the silly premise and the difficulties posed by the narrator's dialect From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 4 17:56:05 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 4 Jun 2011 17:56:05 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 6/5/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1307210165.8.60192.m3@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday June 5, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Notes: Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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Terms of Use [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From foxmoth at qnet.com Thu Jun 23 17:02:33 2011 From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:02:33 -0000 Subject: Pottermore In-Reply-To: <4E034A7A.000064.04048@TANK> Message-ID: Donna: > Just watched a video of J. K. Rowling introducing "Pottermore". She really > didn't say all that much but apparently we will be able to get digital audio > books and ebooks along with discussions. She said she will also be > revealing info she's been sitting on for years. Background? Pottermore > will be open to everyone in October but a few will be selected to "enter" > early. The web site is, www.pottermore.com > Pippin: The site's not Mac-friendly. I couldn't submit my email to the interest list either with Firefox or Safari. ::sigh:: Pippin From wendydarling6402 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 18:18:34 2011 From: wendydarling6402 at yahoo.com (Wendy) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pottermore In-Reply-To: References: <4E034A7A.000064.04048@TANK> Message-ID: <1308853114.6741.YahooMailNeo@web111715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I think that it is the site because I tried with crome, firefox and explorer and I couldn't get any of them to work for signing up. ? Wendy Jacobs ?Diamonds are nothing more than chunks of coal that stuck to their jobs.? ~Malcolm Stevenson Forbes~ ________________________________ From: pippin_999 To: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:02 PM Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pottermore ? Donna: > Just watched a video of J. K. Rowling introducing "Pottermore". She really > didn't say all that much but apparently we will be able to get digital audio > books and ebooks along with discussions. She said she will also be > revealing info she's been sitting on for years. Background? Pottermore > will be open to everyone in October but a few will be selected to "enter" > early. The web site is, www.pottermore.com > Pippin: The site's not Mac-friendly. I couldn't submit my email to the interest list either with Firefox or Safari. ::sigh:: Pippin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From swartell at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 19:42:42 2011 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pottermore In-Reply-To: References: <4E034A7A.000064.04048@TANK> Message-ID: <1308858162.68418.YahooMailNeo@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Donna: > early. The web site is, www.pottermore.com > Pippin: The site's not Mac-friendly. I couldn't submit my email to the interest list either with Firefox or Safari. ::sigh:: Sue:? I got a message (when I tried to open the link to submit the email in a new tab) that the web site was overwhelmed by the response that that you should try again later.? That was around 9 am EDT. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Thu Jun 23 23:05:05 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:05:05 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pottermore In-Reply-To: <1308858162.68418.YahooMailNeo@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <4E034A7A.000064.04048@TANK> <1308858162.68418.YahooMailNeo@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: | Pippin: | The site's not Mac-friendly. I couldn't submit my email to | the interest list either with Firefox or Safari. ::sigh:: | | Sue:? | | I got a message (when I tried to open the link to submit the | email in a new tab) that the web site was overwhelmed by the | response that that you should try again later.? That was | around 9 am EDT. [Lee]: Well, when I tried to change to "English US" (which I don't know what the difference would be between UK and US) I got this page message: An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #102.897ffea5.1308869810.b02032 The link for submitting email doesn't seem to do anything. Just tried at 7:00 PM Eastern Time US. It was my fourth try and I tried to use both Explorer and Firefox. Lee :-) From swartell at yahoo.com Fri Jun 24 01:22:52 2011 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Pottermore In-Reply-To: References: <4E034A7A.000064.04048@TANK> <1308858162.68418.YahooMailNeo@web161211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1308878572.61026.YahooMailNeo@web161216.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Finally got the screen to sign in for an email when Pottermore opens.? I don't know what they were thinking - I'd have expected a HUGE response and prepared for it.? Anyway, try again when you get a chance. Sue [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From n2fgc at arrl.net Fri Jun 24 02:42:46 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:42:46 -0400 Subject: Grammar Question--Why Robes Message-ID: Okay, this has really been nagging at me and I just don't have an answer. Why in the books is a robe referred to as "robes?" As in "dress robes" rather than "dress robe?" Hopefully someone can give me a good explanation that makes sense. Smile, Lee (The Confwoozled) Do not walk behind me, | Lee Storm I may not care to lead; | N2FGC Do not walk before me, | n2fgc at arrl.net (or) I may not care to follow; | n2fgc at optonline.net Walk beside me, and be my friend. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Fri Jun 24 06:55:55 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:55:55 -0000 Subject: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" wrote: > > Okay, this has really been nagging at me and I just don't have an answer. > > Why in the books is a robe referred to as "robes?" As in "dress robes" > rather than "dress robe?" > > Hopefully someone can give me a good explanation that makes sense. Geoff: In some ways, it's like "trousers" in that it is sometimes used in its plural form. In UK usage, it is used in the plural when it is referring to formal wear: "The Queen wears formal robes when she meets with members of the Order of the Garter" whereas in the singular it might be used to describe an individual: "He wore a simple black robe with a sash around his waist" or in the instance of a "bathrobe" -which most UK folk would refer to as a "dressing gown"; I do, on the odd occasions I wear one. Hope that de-confwoozles you. :-) From n2fgc at arrl.net Fri Jun 24 14:31:29 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:31:29 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> | Geoff: | In some ways, it's like "trousers" in that it is sometimes | used in its plural | form. In UK usage, it is used in the plural when it is | referring to formal wear: | "The Queen wears formal robes when she meets with members of | the Order | of the Garter" whereas in the singular it might be used to | describe an | individual: "He wore a simple black robe with a sash around | his waist" or | in the instance of a "bathrobe" -which most UK folk would | refer to as a | "dressing gown"; I do, on the odd occasions I wear one. | | Hope that de-confwoozles you. [Lee]: Sorta-Kinda-Almost-Maybe...but I guess it just sounds silly. I can give trousers a break because of two legs, but I still don't get how that pluralism on "robes" got started. Perhaps I'm just too--uh--Americanized for it to feel / sound right. Smile, Lee (Maybe not so confwoozled, but still shaking head.) From fenneyml at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 15:25:35 2011 From: fenneyml at gmail.com (Margaret Fenney) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:25:35 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> References: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> Message-ID: > [Lee]: > Sorta-Kinda-Almost-Maybe...but I guess it just sounds silly. I can give > trousers a break because of two legs, but I still don't get how that > pluralism on "robes" got started. Perhaps I'm just too--uh--Americanized > for it to feel / sound right. > > Smile, > > Lee > (Maybe not so confwoozled, but still shaking head.) > Bookcrazzzy: The term as used in the HP books is referring not to the robe itself but to the entire outfit required - shirt, tie, robe, etc. - so "dress robes" means "dress clothes" or "dress outfit". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From md at exit-reality.com Fri Jun 24 15:40:09 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:40:09 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01cc3285$01477080$03d65180$@com> Why is it a "pair of pants"? "Robes" is the outfit, all the parts are the robes, not just the part on top. md -----Original Message----- From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Storm (God Is The Okay, this has really been nagging at me and I just don't have an answer. Why in the books is a robe referred to as "robes?" As in "dress robes" rather than "dress robe?" Hopefully someone can give me a good explanation that makes sense. Smile, / From n2fgc at arrl.net Fri Jun 24 17:38:11 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:38:11 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: References: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> Message-ID: <5B074310D83540F68995EE9B46BC3E45@Dobby> | Bookcrazzzy: | | The term as used in the HP books is referring not to the robe | itself but to | the entire outfit required - shirt, tie, robe, etc. - so | "dress robes" means | "dress clothes" or "dress outfit". [Lee]: Okay, but in the book, there's no mention of ties or other accessories, just the robe. Remember that Ron thought he had Gini's dress, it was the single garment he tossed over Pig's cage, etc. So that's why it doesn't make sense to me. The book mentions no accessories even if they do appear in the movies which, IMHO aren't cannon. Smile, Lee From fenneyml at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 18:16:23 2011 From: fenneyml at gmail.com (Margaret Fenney) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:16:23 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: <5B074310D83540F68995EE9B46BC3E45@Dobby> References: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> <5B074310D83540F68995EE9B46BC3E45@Dobby> Message-ID: | Bookcrazzzy: | | The term as used in the HP books is referring not to the robe itself but to | the entire outfit required - shirt, tie, robe, etc. - so "dress robes" means "dress clothes" or "dress outfit". [Lee]: Okay, but in the book, there's no mention of ties or other accessories, just the robe. ...The book mentions no accessories even if they do appear in the movies which, IMHO aren't cannon. > Bookcrazzzy: It doesn't matter whether the outfit consists of just a robe or multiple pieces of clothing, it is the sense in which the word is used. Lots of words have more than one meaning and in this case, "robes" is not the plural of "robe" but a word meaning "outfit". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Fri Jun 24 22:58:06 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:58:06 -0000 Subject: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, Margaret Fenney wrote: > > > | Bookcrazzzy: > | > | The term as used in the HP books is referring not to the robe itself but > to | the entire outfit required - shirt, tie, robe, etc. - so "dress robes" > means "dress clothes" or "dress outfit". > > [Lee]: > Okay, but in the book, there's no mention of ties or other accessories, just > the robe. ...The book mentions no accessories even if they do appear in the > movies which, IMHO aren't cannon. > > Bookcrazzzy: > > It doesn't matter whether the outfit consists of just a robe or multiple > pieces of clothing, it is the sense in which the word is used. Lots of > words have more than one meaning and in this case, "robes" is not the plural > of "robe" but a word meaning "outfit". Geoff: Not in the UK context in which I have met it. Robes in a formal usage, say by the Queen or a member of the House of Lords might include an under layer but ties, shirts etc. lie outside this. It occurred to me after my last post that the usage is rather odd. If I might refer to "the medium which dare not speak its name", pupils in the films really wear a gown. In my grammar school, all the staff wore one of these. They are not an academic gown which would include a hood and the colour of the university faculty or discipline but are just a "working" gown for everyday use and I am surprised that JKR did not call them that. A very few public schools have retained them as part of school uniform - possibly Eton or Harrow come to mind. From md at exit-reality.com Sat Jun 25 02:50:32 2011 From: md at exit-reality.com (Child of Midian) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:50:32 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: <5B074310D83540F68995EE9B46BC3E45@Dobby> References: <10EC05ED72C84BD190ADE4D91152884A@Dobby> <5B074310D83540F68995EE9B46BC3E45@Dobby> Message-ID: <000001cc32e2$a71daf80$f5590e80$@com> :::::::::::bangs head into wall:::::::::::::::: -----Original Message----- From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Storm (God Is The [Lee]: Okay, but in the book, there's no mention of ties or other accessories, just the robe. Remember that Ron thought he had Gini's dress, it was the single garment he tossed over Pig's cage, etc. So that's why it doesn't make sense to me. The book mentions no accessories even if they do appear in the movies which, IMHO aren't cannon. Smile, Lee ------------------------------------ ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ The main list rules also apply here, so make sure you read them! http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/hbfile.html#2 Please use accurate subject headings and snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Yahoo! Groups Links From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 25 17:56:17 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 25 Jun 2011 17:56:17 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 6/26/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1309024577.499.5656.m16@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday June 26, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Notes: Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2011 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no Sat Jun 25 19:46:49 2011 From: pengolodh_sc at yahoo.no (pengolodh_sc) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:46:49 -0000 Subject: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter, Geoff Bannister123 wrote: > It occurred to me after my last post that the usage is > rather odd. If I might refer to "the medium which dare > not speak its name", pupils in the films really wear a > gown. > > In my grammar school, all the staff wore one of these. > They are not an academic gown which would include a hood > and the colour of the university faculty or discipline > but are just a "working" gown for everyday use and I am > surprised that JKR did not call them that. I am not certain that a gown was what JKR envisioned when writing the books, though. I'm going from memory here, but as far as I can recall, in PS, when Harry is at Madam Malkin's to have his robes fitted, Madam Malkin slips the garment over Harry's head. I cannot really say that I see "slipping it over one's head" as a natural way of putting on any part of the school uniforms seen in the movies, whether one is putting the uniform on oneself or on others. To me the description in the book suggests a garment that is closed and perhaps a bit loose-fitting. The lack of reference to other clothes in the list if things he needs for his schoolyear also suggests that the robes completely cover the other clothing the students wear. Best regards Christian Stub? From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 06:01:37 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (bboyminn) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:01:37 -0000 Subject: Grammar Question--Why Robes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm \(God Is The Healing Force\)" wrote: > > Okay, this has really been nagging at me and I just don't have >an answer. > > Why in the books is a robe referred to as "robes?" As in > "dress robes" rather than "dress robe?" > > Hopefully someone can give me a good explanation that makes sense. > > Smile, > > Lee (The Confwoozled) > Steve: First, my computer dictionary, American Heritage, does make a distinction within the same definition between "robe" and robes". In the case of the second, it is not merely the plural of the first. Specifically "robes" is defined as "Clothes; apparel." But, let's look at this from a historical perspective. Back in the ancient days before central heating, people wore multi-layers of clothing, which could be added or removed as the temperature in the room fluctuated. So, it would be rare for a person to wear a single full length robe, they would wear many layers of robes. Especially if they were rich. So, someone dressed in that fashion would be wearing Robes, and I suspect overtime, it became the general term for that appeal whether one as wearing a single robe or many. It is not a specific term, the way 'robe' is. It is an all encompassing term the refers to a style of dress. But then, I speculate. Steve/bboyminn