From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Mar 1 05:25:50 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:25:50 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snow in Tucson! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | Geoff: | Oi! knock it off about the wimpy winters down here.... It's | been the worse winter | since about '83. On the coast, we recorded temperatures down | to -6 in December [Lee]: Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit? A -6 F is indeed cold! Cheers, Lee :-) From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 1 07:59:10 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 07:59:10 -0000 Subject: Snow in Tucson! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm $God Is The Healing Force$" wrote: > > | Geoff: > | Oi! knock it off about the wimpy winters down here.... It's > | been the worse winter > | since about '83. On the coast, we recorded temperatures down > | to -6 in December > > [Lee]: > Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit? A -6 F is indeed cold! Geoff: Centigrade. Equates to 21.2 F. We all raised our eyebrows when it hit something over -20 C in Wiltshire which is halfway between us and London and is well into the South of England. It's not unusual for the far North - the Scottish Highlands for example to be well into sub-zero. we have now had two winters running with very cold spells.We got readings this low last year but that was in January and February which are usually colder. We hit our freezing temperatures in late November and through December and they persisted! From n2fgc at arrl.net Tue Mar 1 19:18:25 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:18:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: Snow in Tucson! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F416E4A94E84953A92F6255681B9938@Dobby> | > | Geoff: | > | Oi! knock it off about the wimpy winters down here.... It's | > | been the worse winter | > | since about '83. On the coast, we recorded temperatures down | > | to -6 in December | > | > [Lee]: | > Is that Celsius or Fahrenheit? A -6 F is indeed cold! | | Geoff: | Centigrade. Equates to 21.2 F. [Lee]: You wouldn't like it here where much of our winter in January and February is often at a high of 35 F on a good day and lows of 8 F on a bad one. My brother just moved to Minnesota as he likes snow and stuff, and they have temps that can go to -20 F. Can we say BRRR? Peace, Lee (With a very tired brain!) From fenneyml at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 16:31:08 2011 From: fenneyml at gmail.com (Margaret) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:31:08 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter trunk and books MAYBE for sale? Message-ID: I have had several people ask me about making the trunk and books for sale and after getting some help from someone on the HP crafts group, I was able to come up with a price. I would need to have 4 people want them in order to do them and I don't really expect to get that many, but I figured I would post on a couple of groups and my Flickr account and see what happens. The price would be $325 (yeah, I know but you'd be surprised at the materials and hours involved!). If I get enough people, I could probably have them made in about 6 weeks but it could also take as long as 3 months. I have a disability and have unpredictable periods when working on something like this just wouldn't be possible. If anyone is interested and/or has any questions, please email me off-list. 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Don't know if any one has collected the previous Potter stamps, but here is another chance. http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/harry-potter-stars-land-stamp-honour_1205962 Steve/bboyminn From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 12 17:58:08 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 12 Mar 2011 17:58:08 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/13/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1299952688.11.36245.m4@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday March 13, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 1 minute.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. 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There seems to be a goodie and a baddie, for example we have Dumbledore and Voldemort and also Aslan and the White Witch from LWW but I don't know the Discworld books as to whether that is also true there.... ...but, in terms of fantasy fiction, what the heck happened to LOTR? The following link is one of those showing the new stamps... http://www.slashfilm.com/cool-stuff-stamps-featuring-dumbledore-merlin-voldemort-uks-royal-mail/ From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Mar 13 16:59:08 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 13 Mar 2011 16:59:08 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/13/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1300035548.9.41387.m3@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday March 13, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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The age of majority used to be 21 (when I was a kid, you couldn't even vote till you were 21; I think it was the Vietnam War that changed that law.) Now it's 18 for most privileges (except alcohol and tobacco). In the WW, it's 17 (which, to me, seems too young given the prolonged adolescence in most modern societies). Anyone want to chime in on this topic? (Of course, kids mature at different rates, but I'm talking about kids in general.) Carol, just curious about what others think From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sat Mar 26 17:57:25 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 26 Mar 2011 17:57:25 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/27/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1301162245.484.26852.m16@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday March 27, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) (The next reminder for this event will be sent in 23 hours, 2 minutes.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. To get to the HPfGU room follow this link: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Create a user name for yourself, whatever you want to be called. Enter the password: hpfguchat Click "Join Chat" on the lower right. Chat start times: 11 am Pacific US 12 noon Mountain US 1 pm Central US 2 pm Eastern US 7 pm UK All Rights Reserved Copyright 2011 Yahoo! Inc. http://www.yahoo.com Privacy Policy: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us Terms of Service: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 26 18:08:25 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:08:25 -0000 Subject: When does a kid become a grownup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: Carol: > Since we don't have a conversation going on, I've decided to post a new topic. Does anyone have an opinion on when a kid should officially become a grown-up? The age of majority used to be 21 (when I was a kid, you couldn't even vote till you were 21; I think it was the Vietnam War that changed that law.) Now it's 18 for most privileges (except alcohol and tobacco). In the WW, it's 17 (which, to me, seems too young given the prolonged adolescence in most modern societies). Anyone want to chime in on this topic? (Of course, kids mature at different rates, but I'm talking about kids in general.) Geoff: I remember that I was not able to vote or be considered legally to be an adult until the age of 21 - which bearing in mind that as a student teacher, I had been in charge of classes on my own at the age of 19 and 20 seemed a bit ironic. The UK situation is a bit varied because Scotland often differs from England and Wales and their laws were often different even before the advent of the Scottish Parliament. The age of majority in Scotland was lowered to 16 in 1969. In England and Wales it was lowered to 18 in 1970. The age of consent was lowered to 16 for heterosexual relationships while gay relationships, which having been illegal until 1967, were initially set at 21 were lowered to 18 - as a compromise - in the late 1990s. Following a case in the European Court of Human Rights, it was further lowered to 16 in 2000. Marriage is allowed at 16, although written consent is required from parents or guardians where a participant is under 18. With regard to smoking and drinking, folk can purchase alcohol at 18 although they may be asked to prove their age, while the age at which tobacco products can be bought was raised form 16 to 18 in 2007. Having gone cross-eyed looking this up, I hope that makes sense.... From n2fgc at arrl.net Sat Mar 26 18:28:57 2011 From: n2fgc at arrl.net (Lee Storm (God Is The Healing Force)) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:28:57 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-OTChatter] When does a kid become a grownup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ED036801886433EB462D39D546C0F62@Dobby> [Carol]: | Since we don't have a conversation going on, I've decided to | post a new topic. Does anyone have an opinion on when a kid | should officially become a grown-up? The age of majority used | to be 21 (when I was a kid, you couldn't even vote till you | were 21; I think it was the Vietnam War that changed that | law.) Now it's 18 for most privileges (except alcohol and | tobacco). In the WW, it's 17 (which, to me, seems too young | given the prolonged adolescence in most modern societies). | Anyone want to chime in on this topic? (Of course, kids | mature at different rates, but I'm talking about kids in general.) | | Carol, just curious about what others think [Lee]: Of course, there are some of us who refuse to grow up and some who just haven't been able to do so. As far as Age Of Majority," I've seen so-called adults who are less mature than some under the age. As far as wizarding Age Of Majority, I think they're drilled with some sense of responsibility, though judging by Gred and Forge, one wonders how well the drilling is accepted. :-) As strange as this may sound, I'm not averse to 18, but I can't help wondering if some kind of course should be required...something that deals with real-life goals and expectations, financial awareness, adult life skills, etc. Too many young people enter adulthood knowing little or nothing of the real world, so to speak, and end up in trouble of one type or another. Perhaps it should be a mandatory High School course in the final semester...I don' know...but just some of my thoughts. Smile, and I sure hope spring will really come soon! I'm so done with the chilly weather and spring snow. Lee :-) From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 19:34:43 2011 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:34:43 -0000 Subject: When does a kid become a grownup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote: > > ... Does anyone have an opinion on when a kid should officially become a grown-up? The age of majority used to be 21 ... Now it's 18 for most privileges (except alcohol and tobacco). In the WW, it's 17 ... > > Carol, just curious about what others think > Steve: I'm reminded of a couple of anecdotes. 1.) A grandmother is sitting around having coffee with here grown children, and the parents are talking about their kids and the Terrible Twos and the Fearsome Fours. After listening for a while, the grandmother pipe is with "Oh God, just wait until your kids turn 40!". 2.)A young man is walking down the street and runs into an old acquaintance of the family. The older man stops and says, "You're Fred Johnson's son Bill ... right?" They shake hands and exchange pleasantries. Then a couple years later, the meet again, and the older man say, "You're Bill Johnson, Fred's son ... right?". In the first encounter, the young man is defined by his family, in the second encounter, the family is defined by the young man. In the second scenario, the young man has truly become a man; at least in the eyes of the world. Or, at least in the eye of this one family acquaintance. Next, the world is changing. I remember reading recently about the Neanderthal Diet. That is a real modern diet that operates under the principle that ancient man ate food more closely consistent with his biological design, and by extension, that is how people should eat today. Mostly meats, fruits, and vegetables, but no grains. In short, we should eat a hunter/gatherer diet. Just one flaw in this idea, the typical Neanderthal would be luck to live to the age of 30. That meant by age 15 he was middle age. The purpose of childhood was to survive. The purpose of the teen years, we to survive and procreate. Then to live just long enough that your children could reach the age to procreate. If there was an 'adolescence', it lasted, at best, a year. Though that is even unlikely. As soon as you were able, you had to help the family unit survive in every way that you were able. Even in the Middle Ages, the average age was about 30 or 40. So again, Romeo and Juliet were not love struck teenagers, they were adults with full social and procreative responsibilities. Their biological job was to procreate before they died, which could come very quickly given the level of sanitation and medical care. The only advantage Romeo and Juliet had was that they were rich, and that give them a degree of luxury and time to briefly wallow in adolescence angst. But other poorer people at there age had been living adult lives as a matter of survival for years. The point - to some extent the world frames your life. In the ancient and less modern world, there was no luxury of modern adolescence. As soon as you were able, you had to find ways to survive, like a job. I would not be uncommon to start work as 10 or 12. Next, was the biological imperative to procreate while you still had time on this earth. Contrast that to modern life. Today, we have life spans easily into our 70's. By the time we reach our middle age, most ancient, and not so ancient, people would have been long dead. And that further means that kids today have the luxury of a adolescence that stretches for a decade or more. And that truly is a luxury. They are more than capable of working, they are more than capable of having responsibility thrust upon them, and they are certainly more than capable of procreating. Further, the modern luxury of sex without procreation has been delayed by the advent of an assortment of modern birth control. A luxury not afforded to previous generations, or at least, not to the current degree. Even in the American industrial revolution (late 1800's, early 1900's) it was not uncommon for kid as young as 10 to be working in industrial environments. Even today, in Asia, very young kids are sewing your cloths and making your shoes. So, modern kids have the true luxury of extending that period in life when they can be stupid, impulsive, impetuous, unkind, unthinking, inconsiderate, loud, and obnoxious. Yet, they grow very quickly and responsible when we thrust them into war. When they are forced, they can grow up, and set the luxury of adolescence aside. But when not force, they milk it for all it is worth. The run wild and raise hell and get into trouble because society allows them that luxury. So, in my opinion, circumstances very much determine when a person is willing and able to take on the responsibilities of adulthood. I remember when the drinking age was lowered to 18, then quickly raised to 19. I was well beyond 21, but I did go out to the bars and clubs, and the presence of these young people seemed to make no difference that I could observe. No one got any drunker, there were no more fights, there presence or absents didn't seem to matter, the crowd acted the same. When they were planning to repeal that law, and raise the age back to 21, I was against it, but I didn't see anyone under 21 fighting the new law or protesting it. I thought, if they aren't willing to fight for their rights, why should I? However, I will also add that the worst drinking behavior I ever saw did not occur in a bar, it occurred at private parties. That is where people get into drinking games, and binge drinking. That is where behavior is unrestrained. They like to do what I call "Chasing Death". To see how close to death they can come without crossing the line. Sadly, on college campuses across the country, too many kids play TAG with death and lose. So, the answer is, kids grow up when we demand that the grow up. And if we don't demand it, then they don't do it. Good parent spend there own and their kids lifetimes, demanding that in small ways, that their kids behave responsibly, while at the same time not stifling their ability to explore and play. When their kids grow up, they are grown up. However, parents that raise their kids on assumptions or presumptions, or on auto-pilot, and let them run unfettered, have kids that never really grow up, and never really accept the social and biological responsibilities that are demanded of them. So, in short, kids grow up when we demand that they grow up. They grow up when grown up responsibilities are forced on them ... or at least, we hope they do. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 26 21:53:34 2011 From: geoffbannister123 at btinternet.com (Geoff) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:53:34 -0000 Subject: When does a kid become a grownup? In-Reply-To: <9ED036801886433EB462D39D546C0F62@Dobby> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com, "Lee Storm $God Is The Healing Force$" wrote: [Lee]: > Of course, there are some of us who refuse to grow up and some who just > haven't been able to do so. Geoff: I have to agree with your sentiment. I have on more than occasion been accused of behaving as if I were in my second childhood, to which my response is "No, I'm not on my second childhood - I'm still having too much fun in my first one." I cannot understand why some people think you have to become staid, boring and grumpy once you pass a certain age. Having worked professionally as a teacher all my life and spent time until fairly recently working with teenagers in our church, I am more likely to go and talk to the young people in the church than discuss the state of our gardens because of the weather or the problems arising from the financial squeeze with older members of the congregation whose thinking seems to have got stuck. I think I shall go and turn a couple of cartwheels and watch one of the programmes my 3 year old granddaughter likes me to record for her.... Let's all grow old disgracefully. :-) From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 27 15:12:26 2011 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:12:26 -0000 Subject: When does a kid become a grownup? In-Reply-To: <9ED036801886433EB462D39D546C0F62@Dobby> Message-ID: Lee wrote: > As strange as this may sound, I'm not averse to 18, but I can't help wondering if some kind of course should be required...something that deals with real-life goals and expectations, financial awareness, adult life skills, etc. Too many young people enter adulthood knowing little or nothing of the real world, so to speak, and end up in trouble of one type or another. Perhaps it should be a mandatory High School course in the final semester...I don' know...but just some of my thoughts. Carol responds: I agree. First, I not sure whether step-by-step adulthood is a good thing or not. In Arizona, for example, you can drive alone at sixteen (if you have a license and no other teenagers in the car unless there's also an adult); vote, get married, or join the military) at eighteen (which is also the age of consent for sexual relations; but not smoke or drink till twenty-one. Is it a good thing or a bad thing to have adulthood come gradually, and, if so, aren't we a bit confused in our priorities? At any rate, I, for one, thing that sixteen is ridiculously young to be the age of consent for sexual relations (heterosexual or homosexual), however realistic it may be, but if you can have sexual relations, you ought to be able to marry (and, certainly, to obtain birth control since few sixteen- or seventeen-year-olds are ready to be parents). And if we give kids responsibilities, such as voting, the right to marry, or the right to hold full-time employment (not to mention the obligation to pay taxes), they certainly ought to be prepared for it. For one thing, they should be required to take a consumer math course. And maybe those classes where they're required to take care of a realistic looking fake baby that actually cries should be required, too. It doesn't make sense that we have (relatively) early ages of majority but prolonged adolescence. Does anyone know whether Israel still drafts all eighteen-year-olds to perform some sort of government service (not necessarily military)? That seems like a good idea to me. And maybe there ought to be a law to keep them all in school till graduation or their eighteenth birthday, whichever comes first, instead of allowing sixteen-year-olds to drop out with no place to go and nothing to do except loll around the house and play video games or join a gang. It's not just the legal confusion over what constitutes the legal age (which we can see is all over the place) that concerns me; it's whether the kids are emotionally and legally ready to be adults. It must be a huge burden for an eighteen-year-old to have to give up adolescence (where he or she still fits emotionally) and become an adult. I know that I was eager to go to college and live in a dorm, but I was also just five miles from home and could come home on weekends if I wanted to. I also had to learn on my own how to balance a checkbook. ("I still have checks left in my checkbook? How can I be overdrawn?") Oh, well. I just think it's a huge problem that nobody thinks about except the kids who are faced with it. They need to be prepared and many of them aren't. Carol, who wasn't talking about when a kid becomes an adult legally but when a kid is ready to become a grownup mentally and emotionally From HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com Sun Mar 27 16:58:26 2011 From: HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-OTChatter at yahoogroups.com) Date: 27 Mar 2011 16:58:26 -0000 Subject: Weekly Chat, 3/27/2011, 1:00 pm Message-ID: <1301245106.24.17084.m8@yahoogroups.com> Reminder from: HPFGU-OTChatter Yahoo! Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/cal Weekly Chat Sunday March 27, 2011 1:00 pm - 2:00 pm (This event repeats every week.) Location: http://www.chatzy.com/792755223574 Notes: Just a reminder, Sunday chat starts in about one hour. 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