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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Naama wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>***BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different
from the German "ch", <BR>which I, for one, cannot pronounce. ***</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>::tests out the "ch" sounds as apartments knock on
the door to ask why I'm hacking::</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To my ear, they are very close. In any case,
I was the first person in my class, way back in middle school, to get the German
"ch" sound. This is thanks to my childhood friend Sara and her mother, who
made me learn to pronounce "challah" correctly before I could have any.
Sara, therefore, is responsible my scant Hebrew vocabulary (around 5 words
<g>)...oh well. She tried, give the girl much credit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's minute differences, but that general sort
of "hack" (which, imo, is why German has such an unfair reputation as a harsh
language) exists in a lot of languages -- "Hvala", the Croatian word for "thank
you", has that same sound, and had I not already been used to it already I
probably never would have gotten around that pronounciation. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But then, we English-speakers get our own back -- I
love listening to ESLers trying to pronounce the "th" sound. (Random
tidbit: that exists only in english and islandic)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the flip side -- if we could pronounce
everything properly, than we wouldn't have any nifty accents in each other's
languages! <g></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Abbie, wholikes to flatter herself that she
can sound like a native German speaker but knows she still sounds like an
american<BR></DIV></FONT>
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obsessed with HP and loving it<BR>"Ah, music," Dumbledore said, wiping his
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<A href="mailto:naama_gat@hotmail.com"
title=naama_gat@hotmail.com>naama_gat@hotmail.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 08 May, 2001 9:01 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [HPFGU-OTChatter] Re: The Dark
is Rising and Welsh Pronunciations.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>--- In <A
href="mailto:HPFGU-OTChatter@y...">HPFGU-OTChatter@y...</A>, "Amy Z" <<A
href="mailto:aiz24@h...">aiz24@h...</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><Welsh stuff
snipped><BR>> <BR>> Like no one besides Germans and Jews being able
to pronounce <BR>the "ch" <BR>> in Chanukah, challah, freundlich,
etc.? Aah, it's a matter of <BR>> training. Everyone can get it
sooner or later.<BR>> <BR><BR>No way. Not all Jews can pronounce the "ch"
sound. At least, not <BR>American Jews. I know American Jews who live in
Israel for twenty <BR>years and more, and still say Hanukah, hallah, etc. It's
a very hard <BR>sound for English speakers to pronounce, it seems.
<BR><BR>BTW, the Hebrew "ch" sound is quite different from the German "ch",
<BR>which I, for one, cannot pronounce. <BR><BR>Naama, who learned to growl in
French quite early on..<BR><BR><BR></TT><BR><BR><TT>To
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