From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 00:17:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: V/GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5472 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: V/GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5469] Re: V/GoF Date: 7/31/00 8:17 pm (ET) Okay. In the spirit of flawed e-mail software I am officially converting to alpha characters. If only I watched my Sesame Street today.... w w w w w w w w w w w w He was human enough to grasp Wormtail around the neck. I got the impression that this better form allowed wand holding and piggy-pack grasping which Voldemort couldn't do before the venom spell. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 00:28:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:28:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter/Character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5473 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Chapter/Character discussions Date: 7/31/00 8:28 pm (ET) <<Are we going to take a week off for Christmas as many may be busy with other things or spending time away?>> Good point, Simon. The Malfoys aren't a very Christmassy subject either, are they? <g> I noticed that Christmas and New Year's both fall on Monday, the day each discussion kicks off. What would everyone say to two weeks off, beginning December 18 (the week leading up to Christmas), and ending New Year's Day. I'll even volunteer for the week that starts with New Year's. <<I think Hedwig is fast becoming my favourite character. Can we fit her in somewhere?>> She (along with Mrs. Figg and Crookshanks) is being discussed with chapter 7. Voicelady's in charge of that week. Melanie From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 00:32:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:32:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5474 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5471] Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 8:32 pm (ET) Thank goodness. No spoiler required for this one. But this eliminates the auto-Smitster1 filter mechanism. We've talked about Crookshanks before being an unusually smart or insightful for a cat. But we (I believe that's a 'we') attributed its behavior to being a magical animal. But there could be something there. After GoF, I'd believe it. Now, a smart hangout for Wormtail would have been in a Diagon Alley pet store. Until sold, he could essentially have his pick of wizarding families. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter/Character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5475 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Chapter/Character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5473] Chapter/Character discussions Date: 7/31/00 9:02 pm (ET) I have the Potters, which begins on New Year's, it might be complicated to bump everyone down by two weeks at this point - maybe it makes sense to truncate whoever it is the week before Xmas, fit the Malfoys in there, for 10 days total, and start with the Potters on January 2, which means I won't have to find a computer in Las Vegas from which to post, and do the Potters for 6 days instead of 7. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:09:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5476 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5456] Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Date: 7/31/00 9:09 pm (ET) > I rather think there simply aren't enough wizards and witches capable of that sort of magic But from what we know - inter racial marriages are okay, and if muggle meets wizard and they fall in luuurve, won't they have little wizards of their own? It's just like the Red/Grey haired squirrel thing! They aren't friends either. Granted, there'd be angry squibs running around, but it would be cool... Nicholas PS. Neil - I thought you would have missed me! </emotional outburst> From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:09:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5477 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5471] Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 9:09 pm (ET) Okay, this has been irritating me for a while. I'm pretty sure that "Crookshanks" comes from "Cruickshanks", who/which has some basis in Scots. I can't, however, for the life of me, figure out who/what/when/where/why it is. Does anyone know what I'm trying to remember here? --John, who's not normally this forgetful... From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:44:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5478 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5461] Re: Lily's family history Date: 7/31/00 9:44 pm (ET) H A R R Y P O T T E R I think that the theories are intersesting but, the Weasely one just doesn't hold water. I can't really see how it would tie in to the whole plot. I like the Snape theory. I don't like the V. one though it fits very well . Only one question- Why didn't V. tell Harry that it was true. There have been plenty of opprotunities don't you think?? We know that V. went to the school fifty years prior, so that would almost work but I can't really see V. as being the Fatherly type. The other thing that interest me is the colour of Harry eyes which are of course green. I may be mistaken but so far green seems to be the colour that is a representation of evil (such as the Adarva Kedarva, sp?, curse causing a flash of green light.... From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:48:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5479 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5477] Re: Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 9:48 pm (ET) What yer be on aboot laddie? Crooookshanks, indeed !! Why that be the awful condition yer in when ye've had a little too much haggis !! As in " Cap'n, I canna hang on much longer 'cause I gut a bad case of the Croookshanks again ! And yer damn dilythium crystals donna werk enyway!!" ( Scotty talking to Captain Kirk) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 01:58:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5480 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5479] Re: Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 9:58 pm (ET) Noooo, Laddie!! Yer mistaken aboot that one! Croookshanks happens te be a goolf term! As in "ever since I bent me Macgregor irons over me knee,I be havin' an awful time straighten 'em! When I hit me approach shot te the greeen, I keeep havin' the crrookshanks which sends the ball left und then right and ever' which way after that !" From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:10:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:10:00 -0400 Subject: V/GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5481 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: V/GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5469] Re: V/GoF Date: 7/31/00 10:10 pm (ET) >Through using Nagini's venom to restore himself I > believe Voldemort became a sort of human/ > reptilian hybrid, which > took a foetal form until he could be restored . >to a more human appearance. I was trying to place some other book where through magic/technology/altered biology a snake's venom was altered to be a cure instead of a poison, or to a magical food instead of a poison, and I finally recollected - Vonda MacIntyre, novel _Dreamsnake_ based on her short story "Of Mist, Grass, and Sand". And note a couple of references in Rowling - Nagini in GOF made me think of Kipling's "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi" where the two cobras were named Nag and Nagaina, where those were derived from a Hindu mythological snake/god/monster with "Nag" as part of its name.... IMHO, further proof that Rowling does her research. There is also the point that "Abra Cadabra", which Avada Kedavra calls to mind, as used by stage magicians, is based on what was supposed to be a real Black magic Word of Power, "Abraxas" (note the 'x' might have a 'kh' sound if from a Greek root) - i.e. the album title of the early Carlos Santana album with the song "Black Magic Woman". :-) > BTW Brooks, your theories are like a blow by >blow autopsies! Is that a good thing, a bad thing, or merely a stylistic comment? :-) -Brooks From maxine450 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:17:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5482 From: maxine450 Subject: Question Date: 7/31/00 10:17 pm (ET) There is a very important question about Harry. Why does Voldemort want to kill only Harry?? He killed his parents because they were protecting Harry, I would have asked Voldemort why he wanted to kill me! It has to be very important because Dumbledore didn't tell Harry why...what do you guys think? From jcoach00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:25:00 2000 From: jcoach00 at yahoo.com (jcoach00) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: Question (sort-of spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5483 From: jcoach00 Subject: Re: Question (sort-of spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5482] Question Date: 7/31/00 10:25 pm (ET) S P O I L E R Spoilerspacespoilerspacespoilerspacespoilerspace Well, I guess this is more of a non-obvious deduction than a spoiler, but hey. Harry is the heir of Godric Gryffindor, and so's his dad. Voldemort says that Harry's MOTHER needn't have died, but he was going to kill his father all along. "Blood of the enemy," indeed. It all fits together. "Only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that out of the hat..." Read the books again with this in mind -- there are seven or eight obscure clues. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:37:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5484 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #5482] Question Date: 7/31/00 10:37 pm (ET) I ran this by a friend last week; she thought it was interesting, and I have added a few thoughts since then. WARNING HIGHLY SPECULATIVE BUT IF RIGHT A POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR WHOLE SERIES!!!! .. . . . . . . What if Harry was conceived and born, not just as a kid whom circumstances thrust this greatness upon, and who will presumably live up to it, but rather BY DESIGN to be Voldemort's opposite - and nemesis? Magic perhaps being worked before he was born to ensure he would emerge with certain traits. That would explain in ways that being perhaps a relative does not, why Harry has so many traits in common with Voldy, but is not twisted like him. James & Lily may very well have been destined for each other anyway, and the fact (if correct) that Harry was meant as the nemesis would not diminish the mother's love - but what if the real heroes of this whole story are Dumbledore, James & Lily who took an immediate and long term plan to eliminate Voldy? Alternately, - just thought of this one - perhaps the reason Snape is mad is not so much that he wanted Lily, but James won out; but rather that it was clear that J&L were the ones capable of breeding a child who would have the traits to be Voldy's nemesis, and Snape did not? This needs a lot more working out, but it might explain some of the hidden undisclosed thoughts of Dumbledore in first book: more or less: "There are things I cannot tell you yet as to why Voldemort's attack on you did not work; you'll have to be older and you'll just have to accept that for now". And what keeps it from being a piece of nastiness on the part of the supposed good guys, is that they like and respect Harry for himself, not just as a weapon in the long term scheme to defeat Voldemort permanently. Again, highly speculative, but it has a certain feel to it... so of course it is probably not at all what JKR has up her sleeve. :-) -Brooks From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:53:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5485 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5471] Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 10:53 pm (ET) > This is totally off topic for GoF, but does anyone else believe that Crookshanks is more than just a cat? I'm starting to have the feeling that he may be another unregistered animagus who is in hiding, like Sirius. There are a ton of stories on www.fanfiction.net about Crookshanks being another unregisitered Animagus. At least one has him not knowing how to turn back to human and seeking out Sirius for that info. HOWEVER, then why hasn't anyone noticed on the Marauders' Map that it says Firstname Lastname instead of 'Crookshanks'? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 02:59:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: Something has been bugging me... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5486 From: angelx_ph Subject: Something has been bugging me... Date: 7/31/00 10:59 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S SPOILERS!!! In one of the last chapters in "GoF", it was mentioned that after Harry told Dumbledore that Voldemort has risen, Harry "imagined" seeing a gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. This passage has been bugging me for a few days now. Is Dumbledore really a Voldemort accomplice? It's preposterous. That would make it way too convuluted. Is it a fake Dumbledore? (Much like a fake Moody). Or is Harry really imagining it due to all the stress and the trauma he has experienced during that night? If so, why would JKR write that particular passage? We all know she likes using almost every little detail as contributing factors in the entire story. (That's why I found adapting a "Harry Potter" book as a screenplay is rather difficult because I don't know if the little details I'm taking out in order to streamline it for the big screen is important or not to the series). From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 03:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5487 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Topics Already Covered Date: 7/31/00 11:14 pm (ET) Hi: There were a fair number of posts over the course of the day asking questions that have already been covered to some extent. I'm sure we've had some new members join up who just now finished GoF and are ready to jump in. And, I know the number of messages in our archives is quite overwhelming to a newcomer. Anyone have any suggestions for how to handle this? Should we add something to the FAQs? I still (like all of you!) wish there was a search engine on the Yahoo Clubs. Then, we could just say "search . . Dumbledore . . triumph" and you can see what's already been said on the topic. Should we take fairly popular subjects & put them in the FAQs with the basic theories that get expounded and maybe some message #s to reference?? Looking for suggestions -- Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 03:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:00 -0400 Subject: Cures(wasWizarding ethics and MuggleI Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5488 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re:Cures(wasWizarding ethics and MuggleI Reply To: [Yahoo! #5450] Wizarding ethics and Muggle intervention Date: 7/31/00 11:22 pm (ET) > The Wizarding world has a hundreds of cures for almost everything. We see even a school nurse sort out someone's teeth, cure skin disorders (boils), and various other things. The only thing JKR has ruled out is resurrection. Me, I am always amazed at the cures the wizarding folk don't have or don't use. Lots of people wear eyeglasses, not just Harry. Moaning Myrtle isn't the only one with pimples. Lots of them are fat, some of whom would rather not be. Madam Pomfrey quickly used a spell to make Hermione's teeth smaller, but it took a whole jar of Hair-So-Sleek to make her hair behave itself, which she said was too much trouble to do except for the ball: if she was willing to take that much trouble, there are things that can be done about one's hair here in the Muggle world, except they cost $100 and go away as soon as you sleep on it. Me, I figure that if I had that Hogwart's-trained magic, I would use Transfiguration all over the place. Have eyesight better than 20/20, a figure like Vicki Ridenow (I mean Vicki Ridenow 20 years ago!), turn myself into a cat furry and go to work that way, turn Sacajewa dollars into solid gold and vinyl boots into dragonhide boots... From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 03:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5489 From: Danemead Subject: Voldemort's Date: 7/31/00 11:42 pm (ET) I'm wondering just how far Voldemort's 'empire of terror' stretched. We know he terrorized the British wizarding community, and probably the European as well, but what about the rest of the world (the Americas, Africa, the Orient, Australia, Russia, etc)? If 100,000 people showed up for the Quidditch World Cup, that indicates to me that there is a very large wizarding community worldwide. Several countries in South America and Africa have been mentioned as having Quidditch teams, which also implies communities large enough to support professional players. I found it pretty pathetic that only about 30 Death Eaters showed up when Voldemort called. All the ones he called by name were names I recognized as those in Britain. There's been no indication that a person couldn't Apparate from another continent, so where were the foreign representatives? I know this is a question with no definitive answer, but if JKR is lurking here, how 'bout an answer in the future? [Yes, I'm convinced Ms Rowling monitors these boards and re-writes future books in order to throw monkey wrenches into our brains!]. (Danemead - refusing to send up shower of red sparks and be rescued from this maze...) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 03:55:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:55:00 -0400 Subject: Roth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5490 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Roth Reply To: [Yahoo! #5451] Re: Roth Date: 7/31/00 11:55 pm (ET) ***************************** <<Is Tim Roth out of running for Snape, then?>> Apparently, he went for the ape, but who knows...? Neil ****************************** Only you Neil! LOL!!!! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:03:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - am I missing something? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5491 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: V's wand - am I missing something? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5462] Re: V's wand - where was it? Date: 8/1/00 12:03 am (ET) Where was this in the three books? It's an interesting theory, though! Thanks! Dee From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:07:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: Evil Overlord list Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5492 From: schlaggen Subject: Evil Overlord list Date: 8/1/00 12:07 am (ET) All this talk about how stupid Voldy can be at times has reminded me of Peter Anspach's Evil Overlords List (6. I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.) The full list can be found at http://minievil.eviloverlord.com From irene8888 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:15:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:15:00 -0400 Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my han Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5493 From: irene8888 Subject: Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Reply To: [Yahoo! #5428] More fantasy casting (time on my hands) Date: 8/1/00 12:15 am (ET) I think Jonathan Hyde as Snape is a MAHVELOUS idea but Daniel Day Lewis?!?!?!?!? Come on - he's too much of a babe to be evil - Just a comment Irene From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:17:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:17:00 -0400 Subject: Two quick things. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5494 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Two quick things. Date: 8/1/00 12:17 am (ET) I think I have my friend talked into giving the book to me Wednesday (as she hears cheers from Neil, Babynick, and Niamh!) which means I get to spend the days after reading all the posts I have had to skip over due to spoiler warnings since July 8th! How many could there be, really? Second, this was posted in another club, and I lifted the link. It seems humourous. http://rictusempra.cjb.net/ (Penny, that sounds like a great idea, lifting the posts and consolidating them into one simple webpage, make a uniform background color and just cut and paste using word. Good job thinking of it!) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:21:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: More on the site I posted Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5495 From: GypsyCaine Subject: More on the site I posted Date: 8/1/00 12:21 am (ET) I read these, and started cracking up! This is again from the site I posted like one or posts back. Enjoy! Dee Before the arrival of Book Four: The Goblet of Fire there were many, many prospective names that fans thought up for the new book. Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament was undoubtedly the most widely known of these, but what if J.K. Rowling had a few other titles in mind? Here they are given the glory they deserve- Book titles that never made it! (If you want to send one in, go ahead!) Harry Potter and the Man-Eating Cactus Dobby the HouseElf and the Sorcerer's Socks Lord Voldemort and his Fluffy Pink Teddy Ron Weasley and the Creature from the Black Lagoon Harry Potter and the Unstickable Jam Jar Colin Creevy: Stalker at Large Fluffy: An Autobiography Pikachu and the Crucius Curse J.K. Rowling and the Censors of Doom Snuffles and Crookshanks: A Love Story Harry's Game The Fellowship of the Wand Ron-bison Crusoe Her-my-oh-ninny Granger and The Accent of Krum From hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:34:00 2000 From: hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com (hagrid_rubeus) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:34:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - am I missing something? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5496 From: hagrid_rubeus Subject: Re: V's wand - am I missing something? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5491] Re: V's wand - am I missing something? Date: 8/1/00 12:34 am (ET) Yeh know...once I got teh the end of the book, this was one of my immediate thoughts...how did Voldemort get his wand back? Although the Pettigrew theory is a plausible one...seeing as he was the one that was the Potter's secret keeper, and the one that led V teh their hidin' place...not so far fetched that he was actually there when V had his curse turned upon him. - Hagrid http://www.hagridshut.com From irene8888 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:42:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:42:00 -0400 Subject: Something has been bugging me... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5497 From: irene8888 Subject: Re: Something has been bugging me... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5486] Something has been bugging me... Date: 8/1/00 12:42 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E I put the same question in...check msg 5397 from catlady - apparently this has been discussed previously..there's a link in there to egroup gobletoffire...it does come in handy..check it out Irene From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:51:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:51:00 -0400 Subject: Sorry guys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5498 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Sorry guys Reply To: [Yahoo! #5455] Sorry guys Date: 8/1/00 12:51 am (ET) I dont think you need to apologize, Shelly. It is pretty hard to tell the difference between satire and reality these days. After all, can you really satirize a group of people who tell you not to let your kids watch Teletubbies because they think Tinky Winky is gay? The best we can do with these fanatics is to try and laugh them out of existence, IMHO. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 04:56:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:56:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5499 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5456] Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Date: 8/1/00 12:56 am (ET) >>>> I just wish JKR would have given a better explanation for non-muggle interference<<< Maybe she did. From Sorcerers Stone, Chapter 5: "But what does a Ministry of Magic do?" "Well, their main job is to keep it from the Muggles that there's still witches an' wizards up an' down the country." "Why?" "Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to their problems. Nah, we're best left alone." From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 05:11:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5500 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5487] Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 1:11 am (ET) >>>Should we take fairly popular subjects & put them in the FAQs with the basic theories that get expounded and maybe some message #s to reference?? This sounds like a great idea. I am really tired of reading the same questions over and over and over again. If I read one more persons brillant realization that Tom Riddle and Voldemort are the same person, or ask how to pronounce Hermione, or ask what the look of triumph in Dumbledores eyes was all about, I am going to scream!!!!! I have to admire your patience, Penny, in responding very politely to many of these posts with an answer to the questions. This is why you are our Fearless Leader and I am just an intolerant and intolerable little peasant. - Joywitch From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 05:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:22:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5501 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5499] Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Date: 8/1/00 1:22 am (ET) > "Why? Blimey, Harry, everyone'd be wantin' magic solutions to their problems. Nah, we're best left alone." If the Muggles ever BELIEVED that there was still magic, the wizarding folk could GET RICH selling magic solutions to problems. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 05:24:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5502 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5500] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 1:24 am (ET) > This sounds like a great idea. I am really tired of reading the same questions over and over and over again. Rather than making me want to scream, it makes feel very embarrassed when I realize that the messages I posted when I first found an HP e-mail-list must have been just as redundant! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 05:31:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:31:00 -0400 Subject: Names of the Four Founders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5503 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Names of the Four Founders Date: 8/1/00 1:31 am (ET) Rowena Ravenclaw Helga Hufflepuff Godric Gryffindor Salazar Slytherin I'm not going to questions their surnames because I accept that silly surnames are a natural part of the wizarding world. But I am disturbed by the ethnic mix of their first names.... Rowena was the Saxon girl in IVANHOE, so I guess she's a Saxon. Helga could be Saxon, or Danish (from the Danelaw, as ruled by King Canute, who might be whom knuts are named after -- probably not after Knut Rockne). Godric I think is a Norman name, a touch anachronistic as the school was founded at least one lifetime before 1066. And Salazar, what kind of name is that, Spanish? Tim (my domestic partner) said Salazar Slytherin was a Byzantine (from Byzantium) as shown by his behaviour style. So shouldn't there be at least one Celt among the founders? A Welsh wizard -- it's not like the race that produced Merlin can't produce great wizards. And an Irish witch, if Ireland is included in the same school district (as JKR said in one interview). From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 06:02:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5504 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5501] Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Date: 8/1/00 2:02 am (ET) Catlady wrote: >>>If the Muggles ever BELIEVED that there was still magic, the wizarding folk could GET RICH selling magic solutions to problems. <<<< Which makes me wonder if there aren't MoM Laws to prevent wizards from selling their talents to Muggles. And any wiz that did so would be an outlaw. (Remember Dumbledore's defeat of the Dark Wizard Grindelwald in 1945 makes me wonder if old Grindelwald wasn't selling his services to the Third Reich. Defeat the wiz and defeat the Fuehrer). From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 06:31:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:31:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Weasley - Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5505 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Ginny Weasley - Part 1 Date: 8/1/00 2:31 am (ET) I forgot to put spoilers in this the first time around, so, here it goes again. I'm sorry to post this so late. Though I was quite eager to kick off the Ginny discussion, it's been difficult to actually start writing this. Growing up, I was definitely a Hermione on the surface, but I think I was more of a Ginny at heart (still am, perhaps). Because of this, I had a hard time dissecting her. Once I got started, however, I had a two part post. S P O I L E R S A H E A D L O O K O U T B E L O W Though Ginny is an undeveloped and seldom seen character, I don't see her as a weak one. A couple of CoF scenes come to mind to display her Gryffindor bravery. The first was in Flourish and Blotts, when Harry had just met Gilderoy Lockhart, and been coerced into a photo session. When Draco Malfoy taunts him, Ginny is the one who sticks up for him ("He didn't want all that!"). The second was when she sent him the singing telegram Valentine. True, it annoyed Harry, but it did take guts. I can see my younger self doing something like that for a boyfriend (i.e., where there's a relationship already established), but for an unrequited crush? Never! True, those instances aren't exactly in the same league as fighting Basilisks and dragons, but they do demonstrate the type of bravery the ordinary person will more likely need, even in the magical world. I've also enjoyed watching her grow in the past four books. Not so much as a character we're learning about, but as a child growing into adolescence. The Ginny in GoF who refused to name Hermione's Yule Ball date because "That's her business" has come a long way from the Ginny in CoS who giggled as she told everyone that "Percy has a *girlfriend*!" continued in part two From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 06:39:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:39:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Weasley - Part 2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5506 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Ginny Weasley - Part 2 Date: 8/1/00 2:39 am (ET) (continued from previous message) Just in case, Some spoiler space I A M A P O E T A N D D O N O T K N O W I T Ginny will probably never join the main triumvirate in their adventures, but I can easily see her forming a different bond with each of them, independent of the other two. With Ron, she has the brother/sister bond. They grew up together and have so far lived in the same house all their lives. I can see Ginny and Hermione becoming confidantes, though I see that happening, in effect "off-stage" (when Harry isn't present). Hermione's two best friends are both great guys, but I doubt she feels comfortable discussing *all* of her concerns with them. At this time in her life, there are some things she'll want to talk over with another girl. To use the Yule Ball again as an example, Hermione told Ginny, not Ron or Harry, that Viktor was her date. Hermione's roommates, Lavender and Parvati, have formed their own clique, excluding Hermione. We haven't seen who Ginny hangs out with, but if her eagerness to write in Tom Riddle's diary is any indication, Ginny needs someone to talk to even more. As the two girls go through adolescence and their relative age gap narrows, I can see them providing for each other that needed female friend. Ginny's relationship with Harry is so far pretty one sided, but I've seen changes even in her crush on him. We first see her as a little girl begging to go onto the Hogwarts Express and see Harry, much the same way I might have acted at that age if I'd heard I was mere yards away from Shaun Cassidy or John Travolta. A year later, we see her in Flourish and Blotts, telling Malfoy that Harry didn't want to be photographed or gawked at. IMO, this shows she's started to see Harry as a person, instead of as a celebrity. Her crush has been promoted from "celebrity" to "brother's best friend". Whether her feelings will ever be mutual, who knows? I personally hope they do, but that's just the romantic in me who would like to see Ginny fulfill that dream. I'm not thinking so much of "happily ever after," as they will only be 17 (maybe 16 in Ginny's case) at the end of the series. I'm thinking more of a teen romance, a first relationship. My reasoning on that is more emotional than logical (which is why I haven't entered the matchmaking foray on HP Anonymous). But for you H/H, H/C, or H/who-cares-as-long-as-it-isn't-Ginny shippers, I'll just agree to disagree. True, it doesn't look likely at this point. But to me, it's not because I see him with Hermione, Cho or anyone else we've met yet. It's because, with Voldemort back, I'm wondering when he'll have the time! But that's a subject for another post. Just my two Galleons. Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 06:45:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:45:00 -0400 Subject: Names of the Four Founders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5507 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Names of the Four Founders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5503] Names of the Four Founders Date: 8/1/00 2:45 am (ET) <<So shouldn't there be at least one Celt among the founders? A Welsh wizard -- it's not like the race that produced Merlin can't produce great wizards. And an Irish witch, if Ireland is included in the same school district (as JKR said in one interview).>> Would you object terribly to a Welsh witch and an Irish wizard instead? <g> Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 09:28:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:28:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5508 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5487] Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 5:28 am (ET) <<Anyone have any suggestions for how to handle this? Should we add something to the FAQs?>> *** I think it would be a good idea to gather together some of the more common questions and answers (or summary of responses). One suggestion I have is that we divide an 'FAQ' into three sections: - (1) posts answering questions which come up repeatedly (how do you pronounce 'Hermione' etc); (2) posts to which have generated several theories (Gleam in Dumbledore's eye? Order of emergence from Voldemort's wand); (3) posts including background information (such as the Nicholas Flamel stuff, or the conversion table for US/UK book pages); My second suggestion is that we divide up the work somehow! We can't expect Penny and Melanie to do it all. How can we do this? (1) We could all look through our own posts and come up with a list of anything that seemed to be in one of those categories; (2) We could divide the message board into chunks by message # and divvy up the analytical work that way; (3) We could all fire off lists from memory. Option 2 would mean we could make this an active thing, deciding ahead of time who will monitor messages 5500-6000 for example. Option 3 would make it difficult to identify the messages themselves, so it would be rather vague. Once we have a list of topics, I guess they could be merged into one list and, hopefully, most of the common themes would be apparent. Well, hope that makes sense. It sounds like a lot of work, but, in the absence of a search facility, it would save us repeating ourselves. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 09:41:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:41:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5509 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #5481] Re: V/GoF Date: 8/1/00 5:41 am (ET) <<BTW Brooks, your theories are like a blow by blow autopsies!>> <<<Is that a good thing, a bad thing, or merely a stylistic comment? :-)>>> It's a good thing and a stylistic comment! I like detailed theories and occasional gore. Since Penny has raised the matter of repeated themes, I'll mention that we have discussed the origins of Nagini and Avada Kedavra before, but this was: - a few weeks ago, i.e a ****load of posts! - buried under cryptic "Book 4 spoiler" headings New members *could*, perhaps, skim through the most recent 1000 posts or so, just to get a feel for recent discussions. When the archive was smaller, it was feasible to start at #1 and try to read everything, but that would be a lot to ask! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 09:44:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:44:00 -0400 Subject: last msg - repeat themes/newbies! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5510 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: last msg - repeat themes/newbies! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5509] Re: Date: 8/1/00 5:44 am (ET) Sorry, I accidentally fell on the 'return' button before entering a title and spoiler space in my last message. Gettin' jittery... Neil From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 09:45:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:45:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5511 From: angelx_ph Subject: Fantasy Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5493] Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Date: 8/1/00 5:45 am (ET) Everytime I read the books I always envisioned the following actors playing the different characters: Dumbledore - Sir Richard Attenborough (though he may be a tad too old but he does have that "twinkle" in his eyes) or Richard Harris (the old emperor in "Gladiator). Lupin - Sam Neill McGonagall - Miranda Richardson would be wonderful as the Gryffindor head (though I wouldn't say no to Glenn Close) Vernon Dursley - Robbie Coltrane (I know he's being considered for Hagrid but I think he looks more like an Uncle Vernon to me). Petunia Dursley - Joanna Lumley Snape - Tim Roth would've been great as Snape. But now he's more likely to go with "Planet of the Apes", I think Rowan Atkinson or Alan Rickman would be perfect substitutes. Sirius Black - I see Willem Dafoe taking this role but since he's American and a lot of you want British then maybe I'll go with Rufus Sewell. Trelawney - Only ONE actress can play this role: TRACEY ULLMAN. Voldemort - The perfect guy is GARY OLDMAN. Moody - Lance Henriksen (the guy in "Millenium") but since he's American then it'll probably be Anthony Hopkins. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 10:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 06:15:00 -0400 Subject: Two more fantasy Dumbledores Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5512 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Two more fantasy Dumbledores Date: 8/1/00 6:15 am (ET) Tragical Me again... I've added a couple more 'cast' suggestions to the album, both for Dumbledore: Ian Richardson and John Thaw. Neil From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 12:16:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:16:00 -0400 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5513 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapters, humour,.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5447] Re: Chapters, humour,.. Date: 8/1/00 8:16 am (ET) <Also, if nearer the time, any weeks are left empty then I am happy to step in.> Me, too. voicelady From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 12:29:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:29:00 -0400 Subject: Names of the Four Founders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5514 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Names of the Four Founders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5503] Names of the Four Founders Date: 8/1/00 8:29 am (ET) There always seems to have been more acceptance of things magical in traditional Celtic cultures. Perhaps the wizards of Celtic descent felt less threatened by the Muggles surrounding them and had less need to go underground 1000 years ago. Harriet The Newbie From a_serber at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 13:43:00 2000 From: a_serber at yahoo.com (a_serber) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbeldores reaction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5515 From: a_serber Subject: Dumbeldores reaction Date: 8/1/00 9:43 am (ET) ***Spoiler alert-dont read below if you havent read the fourth book*** S P O I L E R S P A C E When Harry told Dumbeldore that voldemort can touch him harry noticed a "glimpse of triumph" in his eyes-does this frighten anyone else or is it just me? From maxine450 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 14:40:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: Something has been bugging me... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5516 From: maxine450 Subject: Re: Something has been bugging me... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5497] Re: Something has been bugging me... Date: 8/1/00 10:40 am (ET) S P O L I E R S P A C E !! think about it, wouldn't it be unexpected if Dumbledore was Voldemort's accomplice, or spy? But isn't that too far-fetched? From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 14:42:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5517 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5463] Snape Date: 8/1/00 10:42 am (ET) > This message will contain spoilers for GoF. SO look away now if you do > not want to read them. > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > There has been plenty of talk of the task Dumbledore had for Snape. > > When I first read the bit where Voldemort is talking to the Death > Eater's my first reaction was Karkaroff for the one who has run off > and Snape to be killed. When I sat back and thought about htis after > rereading GoF my reaction was to change this to the other way round. > > I would suspect that Voldemort does not know Snape was a spy. If he > had found out before his 'accident' then he would have killed him. > Since then I do not know who would have been able to tell him. The obvious conclusion from the first read of the book was that Snape was the traitor and Karkaroff was the coward. I think that's the best indication that the opposite is true, since the obvious conclusions are so often wrong in these books! I think it is going to be VERY interesting to follow Snape during the next few books. The biggest question will be whether he really has turned over to the good side or is a double agent for Voldemort. Either way, I expect we will see quite a bit of nastiness from Snape in the next book. My guess is that his mission was to immediately head off for a reunion with Big V and the Death Eaters, and he knew he was going to have to pay for being the last to arrive. That could explain his apprehension and excitement about the upcoming mission. One question that came up about this in the usenet group was whether he is still undercover given that he was named at a spy in front of the full council (200 or more witches and wizards) during Karkaroff's trial. I think it could still work, but he may have to commit a few dark acts to prove his bonafides again. We shall see! From maxine450 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 14:43:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5518 From: maxine450 Subject: Re: Fantasy Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5511] Fantasy Casting Date: 8/1/00 10:43 am (ET) Peeves would be the british Mr.Bean guy hes perfect for Peeves From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:02:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5519 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5517] Re: Snape Date: 8/1/00 11:02 am (ET) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > I always wondered how Voldemort could have expected Snape or Karkaroff to apparate over when summoned, since as we all know it is impossible to apparate or disapparate on the grounds of Hogwarts. I thought this was the reason why Barty did not come over with the other Death eaters-- since he fully expected Harry to die, I can see no other reason why he would stay away. So this made me wonder: Karakaroof and Snape argue about whether to stay at Hogwarts or "run". Why would Karakaroff think that he would be safer elsewhere? Staying at Hogwarts, after all, would give him the perfect excuse for staying away. Thoughts? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:28:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:28:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5520 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Fantasy Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5511] Fantasy Casting Date: 8/1/00 11:28 am (ET) Brain Blessed as Hagrid, of course! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:28:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:28:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5521 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Fantasy Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5520] Re: Fantasy Casting Date: 8/1/00 11:28 am (ET) Brian Blessed,I mean! From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:30:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5522 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Fantasy Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5520] Re: Fantasy Casting Date: 8/1/00 11:30 am (ET) Seems to consensus in my house that Snape would look something like the character of the child-catcher from the movie "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". Just our imaginations, running wild Sheryll From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:51:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:51:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbeldores reaction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5523 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Dumbeldores reaction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5515] Dumbeldores reaction Date: 8/1/00 11:51 am (ET) I don't think we officially decided to end Spoiler Alerts after August 1 yet, so here is some space. .. . . . . . . . . . . . MULTIPLE COMMENTS 1) On the gleam in Dumbldore's eyes. Note my message 5484, which is a major speculation. If Voldy can now safely touch Harry, and yet Harry's scar pain is tolerable, maybe that means that one element of the long-term anti-Voldy plan that I hypothesize Dumbledore to have, is now coming alive. For Harry to lose that protection (Voldy hurting to touch him) is bad for Harry, but maybe it creates a new vulnerability of Voldy *to* Harry - and the explanation of the momentary gleam of triumph, is that Dumbledore realizes this. 2) On the issue of Voldy's corporeal body achieved in Book IV - I withdraw my suggestion that it might be the wreck of Bertha's body, possessed and re-animated. A re-reading clearly shows that: a) Voldy says her body was now useless to him after the torture/memory spell shattering; b) Voldy seems to be saying immediately thereafter that Wormtail did some kind of spell that gave him a twisted, deformed but moderately useful mini-version of his own body, and the cauldron spell was to convert that to a full-grown usable body. So it appears that the Wormtail early spell gave V. perhaps a homunculus type body, created out of nothingness (or from whatever is necessary for a homunculus-creating spell). There is no particular need for a possessed body if the homunculus body is created, and that does seem to be what JKR is saying happened. We still do not know who had/hid V's wand for the last 13 years though. 3) Here is an entirely different problem, although I think I also have the solution. Voldy wants to defeat death (presumably permanently). Re-read Snape's opening speech in first day of potions class in Book I. He says "potions can even stopper death". I take that to mean 'put a stopper (that is, block up the hole) in the bottle from whence death comes' - and I think he means this as a metaphor, not as a literal intepretation of using a potion as a poison antidote. So if potions can already stop death, what is Voldy trying to beat? I think the explanation is simply that potions can delay or postpone death, but never totally, permanently beat it. Voldy is/was seeking a true non-philosophers/sorceror's stone means to physical immortality. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 15:58:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: Am I looking to close? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5524 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Am I looking to close? Date: 8/1/00 11:58 am (ET) I'm new so please forgive me if I repeat some things you might of already discussed. Way back in book one at the feast the whole school sings the Hogwarts Anthem. Afterwards Dumbledore remarks- "Ah Music, a magic beyond all we do here!..." Now flash forward to CoS or GoF. Just when everything seems hopeless we hear none other than the Pheonix song. Is it just me or could music play a larger role in the story than we now relise?? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 16:16:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:16:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5525 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5508] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 12:16 pm (ET) "(2) We could divide the message board into chunks by message # and divvy up the analytical work that way;" This seems the most sensible option as it would only require a small amount of work for each person. Someone said a while ago that they had all the messages that they had got archived. What format is this in? I may need a copy if the above idea goes ahead. Simple questions, such as pronounciation, should probably just go staight into an FAQ rather than have message references. What other questions do we require to be covered? Thanks to smister1 for changing to characters other than . for spoiler spaces. It would be useful if a few others do so as well, please? As to covering the Malfoy's at Christmas. That seems an interesting prospect. Maybe it would be best to move a few people around! Simon From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 16:20:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: The most overlooked character... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5526 From: harry_potter00 Subject: The most overlooked character... Date: 8/1/00 12:20 pm (ET) ~NOT REALLY A SPOILER BUT HERE's SOME SPACE ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ The most overlooked character in my mind is Fawkes. After all both Harry and Voldy's wands share a core of feather from him. Fawkes was the thing that saved Harry in CoS and yet he is a very minor character. In my opinion we will find out more about Fawkes in future books and we will see why he is important. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 16:31:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: Lucius Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5527 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Lucius Malfoy Date: 8/1/00 12:31 pm (ET) Hi! Again if you have already covered this I am sorry but I have not been able to go to far back... Anyhow, I was wondering if there was possobly some connection between the Malfoys and Voldemort. I know that Lucius was a DE and all but, when Ginny got the Diary from him in CoS, at the end Dumbledore warns him not to give away anymore of Voldy's school things...hmmm do all DE keep Voldy's school things on hand. Also it's obvious that Dobby knows more than he's telling, but if he was with Dark Wizards for years why is he so protective of Harry. I s'pose because the Malfoys were even MORE abusive than most to their House-Elf but it's something to explore.. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 16:44:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: Lucius Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5528 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Lucius Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5527] Lucius Malfoy Date: 8/1/00 12:44 pm (ET) Sure dobby knows....that,in my opinion is why he is so protective of Harry. Remember, a house elf cannot choose who his owners will be(I think they are inherited),but he is also bound to keep their secrets.He is a good elf,he helped Harry at great risk to himself.I think he is waiting and watching, and will only reveal the Malfoy's dark secrets if it comes to the point where Harry needs to know desperately(life or death)or they themselves become some personal threat to Harry.Remember, he owes Harry his freedom from that horrible family( I think he is very afraid of them and what they could possibly do to him and maybe Harry), so if it comes down to a choice he will not straddle the fence too long. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 16:49:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5529 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5517] Re: Snape Date: 8/1/00 12:49 pm (ET) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E I'm thinking that none of us will be able to correctly guess what Snape is doing for Dumbledore. One of the reasons I adore this series is that I am almost 100% wrong in my predictions for the future. If you go back and read the results of Book 4 predictions that were made before GoF came out, they are almost universally wrong... not even in the ballpark. JKR has succeeded in surprising me with the ending of every single one of the books. I don't think Snape is going directly to Voldemort and pretending to be a spy in Dumbledore's camp. That conclusion is too mundane. All I'm sure of is that he is a Master of Potions, and is well-versed in the Dark Arts. He probably has done some experimentation in both fields, and possesses something powerful that is not widely known. SOMETHING happened to turn him against Voldemort, before the Potters were snuffed out. Whatever it is that Snape is doing, I think we will end up being surprised again by JKR. I think this is going to hold true with almost all our speculations, which is why we are so excited about the series in the first place. I won't soon forget that JKR had me adoring Moody as a priceless character, only to pull the rug out from under me at the end -- I never saw it coming. When I realize that I have three more books worth of surprises in store, my brain starts short-circuiting. Many people have said that they are surprised at Voldemort's rebirth in Book 4, rather than, say, at the end of Book 6. JKR is not going to let us snooze through the next 2-and-a-half books until the climactic showdown at the end of Book 7. No, kids. Fasten your seatbelts and hang on tight... (And since Evil never dies, I wouldn't even bet on the defeat of Voldemort in Book 7.) From lpetrini_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:05:00 2000 From: lpetrini_2000 at yahoo.com (lpetrini_2000) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: auror/new member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5530 From: lpetrini_2000 Subject: auror/new member Date: 8/1/00 1:05 pm (ET) hello all! i am reading harry #4 and i have a ?...what is an auror? i must have missed it. I understand that Mad Eye is one. I read all sorts of books; really like Eliz. Berg, Maeve Binchy, John Irving , Jodi Picoult, Left Behind series. Would love to hear from you!! Lorraine lpetrini at mediaone.net From rynia_sedai at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:10:00 2000 From: rynia_sedai at yahoo.com (rynia_sedai) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:10:00 -0400 Subject: auror Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5531 From: rynia_sedai Subject: Re: auror Reply To: [Yahoo! #5530] auror/new member Date: 8/1/00 1:10 pm (ET) An auror is a dark wizard/witch hunter. Welcome to the club!! ~Jennifer From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:12:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:12:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5532 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5471] Crookshanks Date: 8/1/00 1:12 pm (ET) I have often had the same thought about Crookshanks.When Voldy was destroyed, Pettigrew needed to go into hiding,so he took on the form of Scabbers and wormed(wormtail!)his way into a wizarding family so that he could keep an eye on things,in case his great lord returned. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:14:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Lucius Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5533 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Lucius Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5528] Re: Lucius Malfoy Date: 8/1/00 1:14 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R golden_faile wrote: "Remember, a house elf cannot choose who his owners will be..." But in GoF Dobby and Winky went around looking for work, didn't they? Or do you mean house elves who are not given freedom? ~Kaitlin From salter15 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:15:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: Cover art...may have been covered... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5534 From: salter15 Subject: Cover art...may have been covered... Date: 8/1/00 1:15 pm (ET) Ok, I was reading back on earlier posts, from before I joined, and I noticed some about the cover art on book 4. There were some theories as to who they were other than Harry, I couldn't find any that mentioned the theroy that the pictures were of Harry, Krum, Cedric and I can't remember the girls name, the 4th champion. Just a thought sorry if this was covered already, like I said I couldn't find it. Janet From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:15:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5535 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5508] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 1:15 pm (ET) I like Neils suggestions of how to organize the FAQ a lot. I also like the idea that we divide up the messages. This group probably has at least 20 hardcore fanatics willing to ignore their families, jobs and other responsibilities and work on this. I suggest that we each go thru about 300 messages and list the themes that arise repeatedly; with message # references for the longer speculative discussions. This would result in a comprehensive list of truly frequently asked questions. My experience is that if you do this off the top of your head you wont be as accurate. In other words, we all know that people are constantly asking HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE HERMIONE, but if we look thru the questions we may find other very frequently asked questions that we havent remembered. Also, if we each read 300 message, making notes on the more informative and speculative threads, so that the FAQ could, for example, point the reader who wants to read more about WHO WILL HARRY DATE? can be pointed to specific message #s. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: A thought for book 7 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5536 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: A thought for book 7 Date: 8/1/00 1:19 pm (ET) When Harry is done with Hogwarts in book 7, I would like to see how the Dursleys react to him. At that point he will be allowed to use magic anywhere he likes. Perhaps instead of ending the book with Harry returning to King's Cross, JKR will tell a little more after that? ~Kaitlin From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:25:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5537 From: joywitch999 Subject: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/1/00 1:25 pm (ET) Just my two knuts -- I think we should cancel any discussions for 2 or even 3 weeks around Christmas and New Years. Also, another character I think we should discuss, who is not (I think) on the list, is Rita Skeeter. If there is no room to add her I think we should discuss her after we do the whole book. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:25:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Lucius Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5538 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Lucius Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5533] Re: Lucius Malfoy Date: 8/1/00 1:25 pm (ET) Yes, that is exactly what I mean. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:30:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Evil never Dies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5539 From: golden_faile Subject: Evil never Dies Reply To: [Yahoo! #5538] Re: Lucius Malfoy Date: 8/1/00 1:30 pm (ET) This probably won't make sense to anyone but it is a response to one of the posts.Someone said in book 7 Voldy probably won't be destroyed because Evil never dies. I agree.There can be no good without something to counterbalace it.So.....as long as there is good there will be evil. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:35:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5540 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5535] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 1:35 pm (ET) <<I like Neils suggestions of how to organize the FAQ a lot. I also like the idea that we divide up the messages.>> Although I suggested other things as well, the option of dividing up the messages does seem the most practical. Simon's right - a simple FAQ will work for questions with one answer (like "What's an auror?" or "what's a chipolata?"). Messages with background could also be done as an FAQ, including any hypertext links (e.g. origins of mythical creatures' names, such as 'Nagini' or 'Vila/Veela'). Messages which triggered off threads of discussion could perhaps be added as links to message lists, under headings like, "Where are Beauxbatons and Durmstrang?" and "What's the galleon to muggle exchange rate?" Okay, let's see what our House Mothers say! I guess we're assuming that Melanie can fit all this stuff on her site. If not, should we split it up? BTW, Nicholas (Carlsson79) is the man with the large message archive. Neil From shellymoos at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:38:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5541 From: shellymoos Subject: Warner Brothers Store Date: 8/1/00 1:38 pm (ET) Hi all. Well I went to my local WB store last night. I was sort of dissapointed at the selection available. They had some really cool t-shirts for adults but they were Slytheran and Voldermort. Do they think that all adults will like are the bad guys? They did have a nice Gryffindor shirt but it was a real heavy material and since I am in Las Vegas and it is 110 degrees outside it really wasn't something I was interested in right now. They did have a lot of cute kids stuff that I might break down and buy for my kids, but seeing how it is a little on the pricey side it might have to wait. I am the proud new owner of my own snitch though. They had the cutest little keychains that are stuffed and are the snitches. They had a few other things but not much. But like the hubby said they just started with the line and will probably have more later on. I also was thinking of something else. We have determined that Voldy is the heir of Slytheran and Harry the one for Gryffindor. So what about Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. Or is this not that important. We haven't really seen any of the other students, except for Cedric, for the other houses play that big of a role. Just something to think about. Later Shelly From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:41:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Evil Overlord list Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5542 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Evil Overlord list Reply To: [Yahoo! #5492] Evil Overlord list Date: 8/1/00 1:41 pm (ET) And if you want to be an Evil Overlord, or even a Death Eater, check out http://members.tripod.com/~mrpuzuzu/plan.html My plan involves Fuzzy Bunnies. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 17:47:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5543 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5535] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 1:47 pm (ET) Do we need to go back before the release of Book 4? If we limit it to the messages posted SINCE book 4, we should be able to cover all the current threads that people will be popping in with, and greatly reduce the numberof posts which need to be read through. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 18:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:01:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5544 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #5532] Re: Crookshanks Date: 8/1/00 2:01 pm (ET) <<I have often had the same thought about Crookshanks.>> p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p It seems too obvious to assume that Crookshanks is an unregistered Animagus and too boring to assume that he is just a regular old cat. Other possibilities:- (1) He may have *been* human, but transformed irreversibly into a cat by a spell (related to the one that turned Draco in to ferret). This is not the same as being an animagus, because he is unable to change back at will. (2) He may get transfigured into a human being in one of the later books. If humans can turn be turned into animals why not the reverse? (3) He may have been an inanimate object before (I refer again to the cat made out of a violin in Diana Wynne Jones' "Charmed Life"). Perhaps something very significant? (4) He may have specific, feline magical abilities, a bit like those of the phoenix. Simon - re your wild theory, imagine Hedwig transformed into alluring human form! She could 'tawit-tawoo' Harry and as a bonus her head would turn through 360 degrees just like Linda Blair's!! Final thing. 'Cruikshank' was a C19 British painter and cartoonist - the most famous political cartoonist of his day. He also illustrated Grimm's Fairytales and some Dickens' novels. Not sure why I mention that. Someone was talking about a Scottish connection earlier. Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 18:21:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5545 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5537] chapter/character discussions Date: 8/1/00 2:21 pm (ET) <<Also, another character I think we should discuss, who is not (I think) on the list, is Rita Skeeter. If there is no room to add her I think we should discuss her after we do the whole book.>> I'd love to continue the character discussions beyond the book. I think Karkaroff (sp?) and Madame Maxine would also make good discussion fodder, but I can't think of anyone to "bump" to make room for them, and I think they'd generate too much discussion to squeeze in with someone else (say, Krum and Fleur). I'm sure that, as time goes on, we'll think of several others who weren't included. Thoughts, anyone? Melanie From karob_7 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 18:24:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5546 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5545] Re: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/1/00 2:24 pm (ET) <I'd love to continue the character discussions beyond the book. > Well, as the chapter discussion only takes us through March (or April maybe if we take time off for Christmas), we still have several months before the next book comes out. I think continuing the character discussions afterwards is a good idea. Karin From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 18:41:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Reading through messages... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5547 From: arawa_99 Subject: Reading through messages... Date: 8/1/00 2:41 pm (ET) Count me in on the reading throught messages thing, the more people we have, the less time it takes! We would also need to have a working list of questions, so that everyone is picking up on the same things - otherwise one person would miss one point, where another person would highlight it. Just an idea.... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 18:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5548 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5545] Re: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/1/00 2:48 pm (ET) <<I'm sure that, as time goes on, we'll think of several others who weren't included.>> If we're discussing Lupin, I guess we should discuss Quirrell and Lockhart at some point. Also, Buckbeak and other minor characters, such the resident Hogwarts 'Paintings' and the Merpeople. Also, we could move on to discuss places and objects: -Hogwarts itself -Diagon Alley and area -Hogsmeade and area -Azkaban -King's Cross Station -4 Privet Drive -The Burrow -Wands -Brooms -Quidditch -Hogwarts' Houses -Spells -Books -Transport (the Knight bus, Hogwarts Express, -flying Ford Anglia - of course - etc) -Devices (portkeys, time-turners, sneakascopes, Marauder's Map etc.) -Food & Drink And then there's the different classes they take at Hogwarts. Okay, I won't list those... Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 19:06:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:06:00 -0400 Subject: Reading through messages... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5549 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Reading through messages... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5547] Reading through messages... Date: 8/1/00 3:06 pm (ET) Don't forget there are two very good sources for a lot of the trivia questions that crop up all the time. It'll save a lot of repeat work. Encyclopedia Potterica at the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Mountain/5101/index.html The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/index.html From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 20:08:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:08:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5550 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered Reply To: [Yahoo! #5540] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/1/00 4:08 pm (ET) "I guess we're assuming that Melanie can fit all this stuff on her site. If not, should we split it up?" I have a large web space (15mb), provided with my uni e-mail, which is nearly all free space. I would be happy to host anything in this line that the group wants online. "Although I suggested other things as well, the option of dividing up the messages does seem the most practical." The thing that came to my mind was to divide the messages into blocks, say 100 in each, and create a file with each of these in. A web page / text file would be much easier to search than the current system. Then ontop of this creating some sort of contents system for important / much asked threads. I am not sure how much work this would involve to set up and maintain. I can look into the possibilities if people want. Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 21:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5551 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Topics/FAQs Date: 8/1/00 5:14 pm (ET) Hi: I had to be away from my computer for most of the day today (gasp!), and it turns out nicely. You've all done the thinking for me!! <g> I like the idea of dividing up the messages among volunteers willing to search them for threads & topics. Thanks!! Glad Melanie & I won't be stuck doing this by ourselves. I like the way Neil has suggested dividing up the FAQs also -- <<<1) Repeated questions posts (how do you pronounce 'Hermione' etc); (2) Multiple Theories Posts (Gleam in Dumbledore's eye?); (3) Background Info Posts (such as the Nicholas Flamel stuff);>>> I like Joywitch's suggestion that the person looking through a group of messages keep track of specific message #s to reference in our FAQs. <<<Messages which triggered off threads of discussion could perhaps be added as links to message lists, under headings like, "Where are Beauxbatons and Durmstrang?" and "What's the galleon to muggle exchange rate?">>> Not sure I fully understood this one. Can someone explain this? Melanie may already know what you mean. Anyway -- here are my thoughts: 1. People interested in volunteering to take over a group of messages (100 or so if we get enough volunteers), email me at linsenma at hic.net 2. Let's generate a list of topics, questions, threads, & so forth that we *know* we want to include in the FAQs. Once we've created a master list -- I'll email it to the volunteers. That way, everyone will at least be looking for the same most common things. Then, if a volunteer spots something not on the list, we'll add it in. Post these thoughts to the Board, so everyone will have benefit of seeing what others have posted. (And so I won't be bombarded by 30 people saying "Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye" thread!) 3. Once each volunteer has created their list of messages that correspond to the various threads, they can email back to me. I'll then create a committee of 5 people or so to help with creating the FAQs from the compiled efforts of everyone. Confused yet?? Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 21:30:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5552 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Ginny Weasley Date: 8/1/00 5:30 pm (ET) Hi: Congrats Melanie -- you've successfully convinced me of Ginny's growing strength of character. I'm still not a H/G shipper by any means mind you (<g>) . . . but GoF SPOILER WARNING S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<The Ginny in GoF who refused to name Hermione's Yule Ball date because "That's her business" has come a long way from the Ginny in CoS who giggled as she told everyone that "Percy has a *girlfriend*!">>> Excellent point!! We don't see much of Ginny in GoF, but what we do see does show some measure of growing maturity & character. I liked your thoughts about how she might develop an individual relationship with each member of the Triumverate. I especially agree with your prediction that she & Hermione have the potential to develop a good friendship. Hermione could stand a female friend or two in her teenage years. <g> But, her classmates have their own clique as you pointed out, and Ginny's a good bet to be Hermione's confidante. I agree that I personally don't see her being taken into the Triumverate. I think JKR would have headed in that direction by now if that was her intent. Since you confessed why you feel a connection with Ginny, I'll confess why I've been so adamantly & vocally opposed to the H/G thing. I'm the reverse. I was Hermione on the inside (the bookish nerd who knew *all* the right answers but was far far too shy & reserved to ever volunteer them in class), but very Ginny to the outside world. More than my fair share of unrequited crushes. Looking back on my adolescence, it's a side of myself I don't much like at *all*! So . . . I'm consequently not much of a Ginny fan and can usually not muster much sympathy for her. And, that's why. So . . . I don't see much hope for the H/G relationship for fairly objective reasons (she's still pretty much a background character in my mind, not included in the Triumverate & Ron's kid sister as far as Harry's concerned at the moment). But, I'm also against it for my own weird emotional reasons. :--) And because I'm strongly in the H/H camp. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 22:37:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:37:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5553 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Warner Brothers Store Reply To: [Yahoo! #5541] Warner Brothers Store Date: 8/1/00 6:37 pm (ET) >They had some really cool t-shirts for adults but they were Slytheran and Voldermort. Do they think that all adults will like are the bad guys? As a parent of three small boys, I can vouch for the fact that you are always the bad guy in role playing once you have children ! your kids are always the hero. Mom is usually the fair maiden in distress if Dad is home. Otherwise she becomes the bad guy! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 22:44:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5554 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5551] Topics/FAQs Date: 8/1/00 6:44 pm (ET) How about a category for silly humorous posts listed under the "Fred and George collection" I might be interested in that one ! After all, I'm sure the Weasleys are relatives of mine. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 22:59:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:59:00 -0400 Subject: Other Characters, Places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5555 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Other Characters, Places Date: 8/1/00 6:59 pm (ET) Hi: I've printed off Neil's very helpful list of other characters & places that we can discuss once we're done with Ch 37. I think those are great ideas! The discussion of Hogwarts should be really fun. Maybe we can persuade the technical co-founder, Melanie, to add these to the end of the chart, after the end of Ch 37? <g> Thanks. Penny From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:16:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:16:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5556 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Warner Brothers Store Reply To: [Yahoo! #5553] Re: Warner Brothers Store Date: 8/1/00 7:16 pm (ET) >They had some really cool t-shirts for adults but they were Slytheran and Voldermort. Do they think that all adults will like are the bad guys? As a parent of three small boys, I can vouch for the fact that you are always the bad guy in role playing once you have children ! I agree! To put a positive spin on things, if you work with kids, you'll find they really behave around you if you're wearing your Slytherin T-shirt. Harriet From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:24:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:24:00 -0400 Subject: Other Characters, Places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5557 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Other Characters, Places Reply To: [Yahoo! #5555] Other Characters, Places Date: 8/1/00 7:24 pm (ET) <<I've printed off Neil's very helpful list of other characters & places that we can discuss once we're done with Ch 37. I think those are great ideas! The discussion of Hogwarts should be really fun. Maybe we can persuade the technical co-founder, Melanie, to add these to the end of the chart, after the end of Ch 37? <g>>> I'll get to work on that tonight or tomorrow morning. That should take us well into next summer, especially if we take time off at Christmas. May I add my personal favorite, the Sorting Hat? <<Thanks.>> You're welcome <g>. Melanie From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:27:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:27:00 -0400 Subject: Danish editions of Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5558 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Danish editions of Harry Potter Date: 8/1/00 7:27 pm (ET) I have been collecting foreign editions of Harry Potter and am having a devil of a time getting the Danish editions. I have tried the publisher and several online bookstores but my orders never go through -- there must be some legal hitch to overseas orders. Has anyone else had any luck at getting them? I don't read Danish but neither do I read Polish, Korean, Czech or Greek, and I've had no problem at all getting those editions... Can anyone help? Thanks! Harriet From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:32:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5559 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5463] Snape Date: 8/1/00 7:32 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E <<I would suspect that Voldemort does not know Snape was a spy. If he had found out before his 'accident' then he would have killed him. Since then I do not know who would have been able to tell him.>> Assuming that Voldy was with Quirrel all the time the latter was at Hogwarts, Voldy knows both that Snape tried to bully Quirrel into switching sides and that Snape tried on several occasions to save Harry's life. Voldy probably realizes that Karkaroff was only acting in self preservation when he spilled the beans, and the Malfoys and Sirius both seem to agree on who's side he's really on. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:33:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5560 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5551] Topics/FAQs Date: 8/1/00 7:33 pm (ET) <<<Messages which triggered off threads of discussion could perhaps be added as links to message lists, under headings like, "Where are Beauxbatons and Durmstrang?" and "What's the galleon to muggle exchange rate?">>> Well, the simpler FAQ stuff would be along the lines of: Q: What/where/who is such-and-such? A: Such-and-such is this/that/the other. Things which spawned a million variant theories, could be along the lines of: Q: Where is/why does tum-te-tum doo-dah? [this would be an active link] Instead of one, definitive answer underneath the Q, the link could go to a page with the pertinent theories listed one under the other (probably chronologically). I hope that makes sense! Anyway, it's only an idea. I also think the Encyclopaedia and Lexicon links that Danemead noted are useful, general references. Neil PS - a couple more places for discussion: Ministry of Magic (& Departments) Forbidden Forest (and creatures) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 00:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:01:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5561 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Ginny Date: 8/1/00 8:01 pm (ET) Spoilerspacecomingup! g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g Ginny seems a like a spare part to be honest. She served her purpose as the gullible damsel in distress in CoS, and hasn't really had much to do since then. She slots into the 'Hermione's friend' role now and then mainly because Hermione doesn't hang out with the other Gryffindor girls. When Harry and Hermione accompanied the Weasleys to the Quidditch World Cup it seemed odd to me that Ginny was left hanging out with Bill, Charlie and her Dad, while the leading trio went off and did their thing. That doesn't suggest a close relationship between Hermione and Ginny. Later, when everyone is scouting round for dates for the Yule Ball, Ginny appears to react when Harry says he'd asked Cho Chang, but she then admits she'd already accepted Neville's invitation. Not only had she decided she didn't stand a chance of going with Harry, but she'd resigned herself to being Neville's second choice. Hey, what a boost for her self-esteem! An alternative view is that she really *likes* Neville, and that's why she got annoyed when Harry and Ron suggested no one would want to go the Ball with him (rather than because she knew Hermione was going with Krum and that's why she turned Neville down). I reckon a Ginny/Neville relationship is her best hope for a speaking part in Books 5-7. Neil From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 00:51:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Movie... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5562 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Harry Movie... Date: 8/1/00 8:51 pm (ET) Is anyone else worried that the movie will be to Hollywoodish and not very british. I would hate to see that happen. But judging by the director's former work I wonder. The Home alone movies are full of slapstick humour that would ruin the Harry Potter Movie. I really thought that Roth would make a good Snape. Is Rosie still in the running for Mrs. Weasely? I hope not. She is nice but she wouldn't be good at the role, (a nice talk show host but not actress). Anyhow I am hoping for an all British cast and positively a British Harry!!! From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 01:57:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: A thought for book 7 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5563 From: davehoz Subject: Re: A thought for book 7 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5536] A thought for book 7 Date: 8/1/00 9:57 pm (ET) Hopefully, she'd at least tell us what Harry and his friends did in their professions, whom they married, etc. before she ended it by declaring, "And now having endevoured to suit everyone by many weddings, few deaths, and as much prosperity as the eternal fitness of wizardry will permit, let the music stop, the lights die out, and curtain fall forever on Harry Potter, the great wizard with the amazing scar." (Apologies to Louisa May Alcott.) :) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 03:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: Other Characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5564 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Other Characters Date: 8/1/00 11:05 pm (ET) Hi: By all means add in The Sorting Hat Melanie! If Voicelady doesn't object, it strikes me that we could add Fawkes into her character discussions of Mrs. Figg, Crookshanks and Hedwig. And, add in Pigwidgeon too. <g> All the birds can be discussed at once I think. But, if Voicelady thinks that's too much, we can put them in at the end. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 03:18:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:18:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5565 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Ginny Date: 8/1/00 11:18 pm (ET) Hi: Spoilerspacecomingup! g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g g <<<Ginny seems a like a spare part to be honest. When Harry and Hermione accompanied the Weasleys to the Quidditch World Cup it seemed odd to me that Ginny was left hanging out with Bill, Charlie and her Dad, while the leading trio went off and did their thing. That doesn't suggest a close relationship between Hermione and Ginny.>>> That's what I thought. I have a long & involved analysis of various romantic pairings. I may post it later, who knows. Right now I'm still smarting from all the flames on the other list where I did post it . . . so I may heal first. <g> <<<An alternative view is that she really *likes* Neville, and that's why she got annoyed when Harry and Ron suggested no one would want to go the Ball with him (rather than because she knew Hermione was going with Krum and that's why she turned Neville down).>>> I think it's certainly possible that she ended up having a nice time with Neville, even if he wasn't her first choice. Maybe they had a great time at the Ball, and are seeing each other in a different light. <g> <<<I reckon a Ginny/Neville relationship is her best hope for a speaking part in Books 5-7.>>> I think that's a good thought. Penny From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 03:38:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5566 From: p_dumbledore Subject: RE: Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #5565] RE: Ginny Date: 8/1/00 11:38 pm (ET) Spoiler .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <<Ginny seems a like a spare part to be honest. When Harry and Hermione accompanied the Weasleys to the Quidditch World Cup it seemed odd to me that Ginny was left hanging out with Bill, Charlie and her Dad, while the leading trio went off and did their thing. That doesn't suggest a close relationship between Hermione and Ginny.>>> I don't know, it might also be that the relationship between Ginny an Hermonie blossomed while they were at school. It will be interesting in the future books to see where the relationships with Ginny progress. From coriolan_cmc at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:22:00 2000 From: coriolan_cmc at yahoo.com (coriolan_cmc) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Movie... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5567 From: coriolan_cmc Subject: Re: Harry Movie... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5562] Harry Movie... Date: 8/2/00 12:22 am (ET) I can see it now: "Henry Potter and the Goblet of Mrs. Doubtfire" From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:31:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: Topics Already Covered (B4 GoF) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5568 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Topics Already Covered (B4 GoF) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5543] Re: Topics Already Covered Date: 8/2/00 12:31 am (ET) <<Do we need to go back before the release of Book 4? If we limit it to the messages posted SINCE book 4, we should be able to cover all the current threads that people will be popping in with, and greatly reduce the numberof posts which need to be read through. >> There will always be a number of folks who will pick up SS because of the hype (like I did, lol! Fingers crossed tomorrow the B4 falls into my hands, guys!), and might not get some of the concepts, like I didn't when I started asking questions. You were very patient, and answerred my questions, when I know I had to have been the thousandth person to have asked them! The alternative is to keep answerring those type of questions, or arranging the "file" you are creating according to book, and then have a fifth (or eighth, depending on the book number by the time we finish this huge task!) for the questions that span two or more books, like Crookshanks, or the Durselys' torturing Harry (which I will assume will happen all the way through the series until perhaps Dumbledore does an Aslan on them? (Taken from Silver Chair) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5569 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5548] Re: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/2/00 12:33 am (ET) <<Wands...>> Couldn't wands be included with their maker? I haven't seen any other craftsmen for them in the books! :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:37:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:37:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5570 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5551] Topics/FAQs Date: 8/2/00 12:37 am (ET) <<. Let's generate a list of topics, questions, threads, & so forth that we *know* we want to include in the FAQs. Once we've created a master list -- I'll email it to the volunteers. That way, everyone will at least be looking for the same most common things. Then, if a volunteer spots something not on the list, we'll add it in. Post these thoughts to the Board, so everyone will have benefit of seeing what others have posted. (And so I won't be bombarded by 30 people saying "Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye" thread!) >> What about using some sort of listbot, or the like to keep track of the list of subjects? That way, if someone discovers a new subject, they can just add it to the list. The list automatically adds the new email, and mails it out to everyone on the list. I know some lists are free, but off the top of my head, I couldn't give you urls. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:48:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5571 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5569] Re: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/2/00 12:48 am (ET) >Couldn't wands be included with their maker? I >haven't seen any other craftsmen for them in > the books! TRIVIAL SPOILER - JUST AVERT YOUR EYES) Actually, in "The Weighing of the Wands"chapter in GoF, Ollivander cites another maker by name - Gregorovich - for Krum's, and there seems to be an implication, because he makes different remarks on it, that Fleur's was made by yet a third maker. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 04:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:49:00 -0400 Subject: chapter/character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5572 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: chapter/character discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5569] Re: chapter/character discussions Date: 8/2/00 12:49 am (ET) Speaking of which, are the centaurs included already? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 05:04:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:04:00 -0400 Subject: If I were director. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5573 From: angelx_ph Subject: If I were director. Date: 8/2/00 1:04 am (ET) Being an aspiring screenwriter/filmmaker AND Harry Potter fan, I really, really want to get the chance to direct the films (perhaps in the future). Oh well, if I was to direct the first one, here's how I would open it: Since it is produced by Warner Bros., it will begin with their logo. The logo fades into view with a gray sky as its background. Owls fly across it. Camera pans down to reveal the cloudy sky. Then we start to move faster across the sky as the credits roll and the John Williams-composed music soars. Underneath us, a flock of unicorns gallop across the field. A dragon towers the forest and breaths fire from a distance. Then we see we're actually flying from the point of view of Hagrid's (or should I say Sirius's) flying motorcycle with one year old Harry sleeping in a basket. Then we are flanked by two hippogriffs. The hippogriffs fly off as the motorcycle enters London (late at night of course). It swoops past Big Ben, then it lands on Privet Drive. So what do you think? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 05:30:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:30:00 -0400 Subject: Many, many things (Including spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5574 From: smitster1 Subject: Many, many things (Including spoilers) Date: 8/2/00 1:30 am (ET) If I'm going to be scanning through a portion of 6k of posts, I'm going to be doing some topic-combining. (This should make the indexer of my posts VERRRRY happy--no doubt it will be me). First some book keeping comments: Response to #5570 (Dee): I had never thought of a Listserv used in this manner. Interesting and good idea! The home page of these guys indicates that they'll do what Dee described. http://www.listbot.com Response to #????, #???? (????): So does a large file of this group's posts exist? I was working up (i.e. thinking through) a way to collect all the posts but won't be able to give it time until the weekend. From the sound of things it looks as if people will be indexing like 'bots' A.S.A.P. And now the spoiler....(that's all the dots) w w w w w w w w w w w w w w Response to #5561 (Neil): First, I think it's probably clear from that I am a #1 Ginny-fan (If not--I proclaim "I'm Ginny's #1 fan!"). So the more book time she gets the happer I'll be. Second, remembering back in my high school days I was always careful not to make comments that would insult or hurt people in a manner like Harry's and Ron's when they were trying to decide publically whom to ask to the Yule Ball (when not knowing if those around them had dates). The reaction of Ginny would be mine (or rather, was mine) if one of my female friends was openly running through names of prospective dates yet always managing to skip mine no matter how I felt about her. (Not that many things, I guess...) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 05:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:44:00 -0400 Subject: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5575 From: brooksindy Subject: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Date: 8/2/00 1:44 am (ET) 1) Some name origin thoughts here. Cho Chang I presume has parents of Hong Kong or Singapore ancestry who emigrated to Britain. I was trying to place the Patil twins, and it now occurs to me that they may be of Indian/Pakistani parentage - could some of the UK list members comment on that? GoF trivial spoiler: Durmstrang. This seems to me to be a spoonerism -type pun on the German musical style called "Sturm und Drang" - "Storm and stress" - what good mid-late 19th century German composers were writing. 2) In discussing my "msg 5484" hypothesis with my son (18), he points out that such involuntary use of HP would be contradictory to JKR's "you are what you make of yourself" philosophy as expressed to a great degree in the books.. Good point, that. I think he's right. I had _Ender's Game_ in the back of my mind when coming up with my hypothesis, I think. Perhaps instead, what really happened is that the other True Prophecy of Madame Trelawney is about Harry - that he will be the final downfall of Voldemort (perhaps including "but not as soon as it first appears" - and Voldemort heard the first part of that and that is why he attacked Potters to get to Harry! That is certainly in keeping with JKR's mythology knolwedge, which a good classical education in the UK ought to give as background - there is lots of Greek myth about babies foretold to slay other people when grown up, so the intended victim attacks or otherwise leaves baby for dead, but child escapes and grows up to fulfill prophecy..... and all the protections, etc. placed around Harry have to do with Dumbledore believing that Trelawny prophesied true for once so took several precautions. It might work with the way JKR does things that instead of having everybody know the prophecy at the beginning, as would happen in most other books, it only appears at the penultimate climax to explain a lot of What Has Gone Before. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 05:46:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: 'Mythical' creatures in book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5576 From: brooksindy Subject: 'Mythical' creatures in book 4 Date: 8/2/00 1:46 am (ET) I found Veela in an online mythological beasts dictionary: http://members.dencity.com/MythicalCreatures/noframes/index.html which led under alternate spellings to : http://kosovo.com/history/battle_of_kosovo.html where there was mentioned:"vila, the often malicious fairy of Balkan folklore," and another page of listing of gods/godesses of justice had : Vila :Slovenian goddesses but best of all: http://www.goddessmyths.com/Samovila-Yemaya.html "Slavic Goddess, a guardian of the forest animals and plants, Vila was a shape-shifter and might be a swan, horse, snake, falcon or whirlwind. Born on a day of misty rain, she was a winged Goddess whose dress shimmered in the dappled light of the deep forest where she lived. She had a profound knowledge of herbal healing and protected the purity of streams. If anyone brought harm to her creatures, she would cause great harm to them in turn; perhaps they would be caught in an avalanche or even danced to death." Another good one: http://www.okana.net/gods.html Wila Polish, Vily Slavonic, Vile, Samovile, Samodivi, Vilevrjaci various Slavonic tongues Female spirits that lived in the woods, mountains, and clouds; they could shape shift into swans, horses, falcons, or wolves. In Slovakia, they are regarded as the souls of dead girls that lead young men to their deaths; they fire arrows that may disturb one's reason. The souls of the dead in Lithuania, as in Poland, were believed to visit the homes of their families; they could change their shape into animals. Peasants would lay flowers at the entrances to caves where they believed that Wila dwelt. In Russia they were seen as beautiful naked girls who charmed shepherds and young boys. From Leland's Gypsy Sorcery and Fortune Telling, we get this accounting: We can still find the Vila (sic) as set forth in old ballads, the incarnation of beauty and power, the benevolent friends of sufferers, the geniuses of heroes, the dwellers by rock and river and greenwood tree. But they are implacable in their wrath to all who deceive them or who break a promise; nay, they inflict terrible punishment even on those who disturb their rings or the dances which they make by midsummer moonlight. Hence the proverb applied to any man who suddenly fell ill: "Naiso je na vilinsko kolo" (he stepped on a fairy-ring). another interesting one: "The nymphs of Serbian legend (the Vila) could become either swans or serpents." From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 08:02:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:02:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5577 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 4:02 am (ET) While in Russia I ran into a book review of the Harry Potter books in a local tabloid called The Exile. Don't get too excited about the impact of the review. The Exile is as disreputable a rag as any tabloid anywhere in the world and few if any folks will be influenced by their opinion. Ultimately they attack Rowling as a plaigarizing the works of Dianna Wynne Jones. I am not familiar with her work but a quick search of the internet confirms the existence of the author and the books cited. To quote with only slight editing ( to fit Yahoo limits ) : Consider Jones's 1975 novel, Eight Days of Luke. Eight Days of Luke begins when David, the hero, returns from boarding school. David is an orphan being raised by his Great Aunt and Uncle, who are despicable, whining, begrudging, dimwitted hypocrites. (Like many British women writers, Jones is at her best depicting the everyday horribleness of respectable people.) David's relations ignore him while fawning over their fat, spoiled whingeing son, who bullies David with their full support. This regrettable state of affairs changes, as you might imagine, with the arrival of Loki. At the end of the novel, with David saved by his magical new friend, we learn that his relations have been keeping his inheritance from him and embezzling its income for their own ends. They flee, and David comes into his own. And now, the plot of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Harry Potter, an orphan, is being raised by his horrible aunt and uncle, who exemplify suburban stodginess and meanness. They force Harry to live in a closet under the stairs (Rowling tends to overdo things a bit), incessantly scold and belittle him, and fawn on their son, a fat, spoiled, whingeing brat who torments Harry with impunity. Harry's salvation comes when he is taken up by magical friends and summoned to a magical boarding school, learning in the process that his relatives have been keeping his fortune from him. Anyone interested in reading the review will find it at : http://www.exile.ru/books/review95.html To some extent the criticism that Rowling has borrowed a lot of elements from the popular culture is justified. Wizards and witches and the entire magical menagerie have been around as long as there have been people. A school for wizards isn't a new invention with Rowling either. That doesn't bother me at all. I don't insist on entirely new concepts with every book. But the idea that she has lifted the plot line from another author's work does bother me. If it's true. Is there someone out there who knows this Dianna Wynne Jones' books well enough to know if this is a reasonable characterization of Eight Days of Luke? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 09:08:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 05:08:00 -0400 Subject: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5578 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Reply To: [Yahoo! #5575] Multiple Topix - names, mostly Date: 8/2/00 5:08 am (ET) <<I was trying to place the Patil twins, and it now occurs to me that they may be of Indian/Pakistani parentage - could some of the UK list members comment on that?>> Again, I have posted something on this before, but in the last ice-age :) Patel (similar to Patil) is a common surname in Britain, usually in people of Pakistani origin. <<Durmstrang. This seems to me to be a spoonerism -type pun on the German musical style called "Sturm und Drang" - "Storm and stress".>> You're right, but I think Sturm & Drang was a literary and artistic movement, rather than a musical style. It was a reaction to the dour, rigid styles that preceded it, and was an outlet for stormy, emotional work. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 09:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 05:39:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5579 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5577] Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 5:39 am (ET) <<Ultimately they attack Rowling as a plaigarizing the works of Dianna Wynne Jones. I am not familiar with her work but a quick search of the internet confirms the existence of the author and the books cited.>> I can't comment on "Eight Days of Luke", but I can tell you a bit about DWJ in general. I 'discovered' her books when I was looking for stuff to read between (and because of) HP and I'm equally hooked now. I've said before that she is regarded as Britain's leading writer of fantasy for older children. She has written 'magical/witchcraft' fantasy, some sword and sorcery stuff (I believe?) and some science fiction (particularly relating to time). All the books I've read so far feature children in the leading roles and they are invariably downtrodden or outcast types, either from broken homes or placed in constrained circumstances. They often have undiscovered magical powers and some of them end up becoming very powerful or pivotal to the destruction of evil. The books make very good reading, I might add :) There are vague similarities between DWJ's work and JKR's. "Witch Week", for example, is set in a school for witches; "Charmed Life" and "The Lives of Christopher Chant" describe boys who are found to be nine-lived enchanters, far more powerful than regular witches/warlocks - everyone looks to them to solve their problems. My feeling is that the two writers are often in the same territory, drawing upon common 'witch-related' lore, so coincidences are bound to happen. The idea of a 'gifted' child living with evil relatives who keep them in poverty is nothing new, and goes back further than either of them. As far as I can tell, "Eight Days of Luke" is one of DWJ's better known books, and we're talking about a writer who is famous in her own right in this genre. JKR would have been taking a huge risk if she'd plagiarised one her stories! Neil PS - I'll pose this question in the DWJ e-mail list I'm on... see what they say. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 09:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 05:49:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5580 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5559] Re: Snape Date: 8/2/00 5:49 am (ET) There are spoilers for GoF contained in this message. S P O I L E R S P A C E "Assuming that Voldy was with Quirrel all the time the latter was at Hogwarts, Voldy knows both that Snape tried to bully Quirrel into switching sides and that Snape tried on several occasions to save Harry's life." It is stated, by Quirrell, that Voldemort was with him all the way through the year. However, there is no reason to assume that Snape knew this. Infact it is more likely that he did not know Quirrell was working for Voldemort. If he had known then I assume Snape would have told Dumbledore. Snape can therefore say that he was trying to stop Quirrell getting the stone and that he had no idea, until it was too late, that he was serving Voldemort. As to the saving of Harry's life, we saw in GOF why this was needed. "Voldy probably realizes that Karkaroff was only acting in self preservation when he spilled the beans, and the Malfoys and Sirius both seem to agree on who's side he's really on." I can see the evidence for Sirius knowing, but what evidence is there for Lucius knowing? Simon From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 10:19:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 06:19:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5581 From: babynick34 Subject: Movie Date: 8/2/00 6:19 am (ET) Hi All I was wondering... who will be the Coreographer (I hope I spelt that right) - the person who supervises dance scenes, or in this case maybe the Quidditch matches. If history is anything to go by, it will probably be Monica Devereux, Chris Columbus's wife - as she did this role for the Home Alone movies. Nick. (PS, I wonder if a Chris Columbus signature is valulable... he sent me one today.) From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 11:40:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:40:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5582 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5577] Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 7:40 am (ET) Fantasy aficionados and people who are experts in the field of children's literature have been comparing J.K. Rowling to Diana Wynne Jones since the Harry Potter books first emerged, but I've never heard anyone call them plagiarized or even deritive. They just write about the same type of universe (and many folks think DWJ is a far better writer). They are much more likely to get indignant that literate and literary people don't know DWJ. DWJ herself was asked about Harry Potter in an ACHUKA interview a year or so ago. Here is what she said: Q : Several people have pointed out the thematic and narrative similarities between the Harry Potter novels and your Chrestomanci books. Do you feel any sense of author envy when observing Rowling's bestselling success? A: When you say 'several people', you surely mean several hundred. Almost everyone I know has said this. My main feeling is a sort of exasperation that it took so long for people to discover that this kind of book makes the best read there is. Full text of the interview is at: http://www.achuka.co.uk/guests/dwjsg.htm DWJ is a prolific writer and, as the interview says, her books in her Crestomanci series are the most like Harry Potter, if you're looking for read-alikes. I also highly recommend "Fire and Hemlock," "Howl's Moving Castle," and "Dogsbody." The latter features a main character named Sirius but the similarities end there (although that hasn't stopped some people from lawsuits). Harriet From mellypf at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 11:55:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:55:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5583 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5579] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 7:55 am (ET) I'm glad you posted this...I'm off to Amazon to check out DWJ! (And probably buy some books. ;-)) From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 12:04:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:04:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5584 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5580] Re: Snape Date: 8/2/00 8:04 am (ET) There are spoilers for GoF contained in this message. S P O I L E R S P A C E <<"Voldy probably realizes that Karkaroff was only acting in self preservation when he spilled the beans, and the Malfoys and Sirius both seem to agree on who's side he's really on." I can see the evidence for Sirius knowing, but what evidence is there for Lucius knowing?>> We know from Draco's conversation on the train that Karkaroff and Mr. Malfoy are still friends, indicating that they are still on the same side, and that Mr. Malfoy can understand why his friend betrayed others to get out of jail. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 12:41:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:41:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5585 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #5581] Movie Date: 8/2/00 8:41 am (ET) It's CHOREOGRAPHER. I don't remember any dance scenes in "The Sorcerer's Stone" but I think the director's wife would be the most obvious choice if they need choreography for the Quidditch matches. If I were to direct "The Goblet of Fire", however, the choreographer I will get for the dance in the Yule Ball will probably be Marguerite Derricks (she also choreographed those wacky "Austin Powers" dance numbers). From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 12:56:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5586 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #5585] Re: Movie Date: 8/2/00 8:56 am (ET) I believe,(I'm not 100% sure,so don't quote me!)that a choreographer is needed on a movie set for the more physical scenes(not just dance).Quidditch definitely applies. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 12:57:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Subject: Other Characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5587 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Other Characters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5564] Other Characters Date: 8/2/00 8:57 am (ET) <If Voicelady doesn't object, it strikes me that we could add Fawkes into her character discussions of Mrs. Figg, Crookshanks and Hedwig. And, add in Pigwidgeon too. <g> All the birds can be discussed at once I think. But, if Voicelady thinks that's too much, we can put them in at the end.> 'Tain't no problem! Bring 'em on! Woo hoo! voicelady From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 13:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:31:00 -0400 Subject: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5588 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5586] Re: Movie Date: 8/2/00 9:31 am (ET) <<I believe,(I'm not 100% sure,so don't quote me!)that a choreographer is needed on a movie set for the more physical scenes(not just dance).Quidditch definitely applies.>> True, although there are two other departments much more important to the Quidditch matches: - stunt coordinators - special effects wizards *** On a related topic, someone mentioned that they visualised Snape as the Childcatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. That was ballet dancer, Robert Helpmann, now long dead (but would have been a bit long in the tooth anyway!). I agree totally though, that Snape is very much a Uriah Heep style character. Perhaps not ugly, but sinister and unctuous... Neil From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 13:55:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:55:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5589 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5570] Re: Topics/FAQs Date: 8/2/00 9:55 am (ET) I sent an email offlist to Penny yesterday recommending that an egroups listserv be set up for this, with a closed membership, so the list doesn't get random questions from people who've searched Egroups for HP lists. I don't know if she wants to go in that area, but costwise, it's free & usewise, it's easy! From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 14:26:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: If I were director. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5590 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: If I were director. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5573] If I were director. Date: 8/2/00 10:26 am (ET) <<The hippogriffs fly off as the motorcycle enters London (late at night of course). It swoops past Big Ben, then it lands on Privet Drive. >> I picture it a little differently. The Warner Bros. logo fades and reveals the stone corridor of a castle. We someone in deep purple robes swish past us. The narration says that when a child with magic abilities is born their name is recorded in a book. Then we see a magic quill spring to life and scrawl out Harry Potter. The camera zooms in and with a lightning flash we see the film title. It then cuts to a panoramic view from high above the Thames, with hundreds of owls swooping around Big Ben....and, well I'll just leave it at that. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 14:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5591 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5589] Re: Topics/FAQs Date: 8/2/00 10:28 am (ET) Hi: <<<I sent an email offlist to Penny yesterday recommending that an egroups listserv be set up for this, with a closed membership, so the list doesn't get random questions from people who've searched Egroups for HP lists. I don't know if she wants to go in that area, but costwise, it's free & usewise, it's easy!>>> Sorry, Heidi, I don't seem to have received that email. Also -- not sure what you mean exactly. An Egroups list for the FAQs? I'm probably just being dense -- sorry. I wonder how the pending merger between Egroups & Yahoo will affect us. I got an email from Egroups on that topic last night, but I haven't had time to digest it. As for the "topics to be covered" in our FAQs, Simon does make a good suggestion that perhaps it's easier for each person combing through a group of messages to just list out the important threads, questions from that group. It does mean more work at the "committee stage," but might be less confusing overall. I have 12 volunteers (including me & Melanie) so far. I could still stand some more if anyone else is interested & has the time. I'm also taking volunteers for the smaller committee that will actually create the FAQs. <g> Penny From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:19:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:19:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5592 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #5565] RE: Ginny Date: 8/2/00 11:19 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e <<<When Harry and Hermione accompanied the Weasleys to the Quidditch World Cup it seemed odd to me that Ginny was left hanging out with Bill, Charlie and her Dad, while the leading trio went off and did their thing. That doesn't suggest a close relationship between Hermione and Ginny.>>> It can be pretty hard to penetrate an established clique, even if you have some connection to its individual members. After all, Harry, Ron and Hermione have a well-established, very tight and intense relationship, which is probably pretty intimidating to the other students. There have been a couple of occasions that the 3 of them have chased Ginny away so that they could talk. Ginny may be young, but perhaps she has too much self-respect to try and tag after the 3 heroes when they are clearly not interested in letting her become part of their group. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:47:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: get sorted! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5593 From: heiditandy Subject: get sorted! Date: 8/2/00 11:47 am (ET) You can download a sorting hat for your palm pilot (or handspring) at http://home.earthlink.net/~jimknopf/ it;s pretty cool! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:54:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: Topics/FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5594 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Topics/FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5591] Re: Topics/FAQs Date: 8/2/00 11:54 am (ET) Egroups has provided a discussion forum with regard to the merger. http://www.egroups.com/group/Merger You can search the archive for information, and/or join the group to post questions. Nick. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 16:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5595 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5577] Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 12:31 pm (ET) The consensus among Diana Wynne Jones' fans is that there is nothing in the accusations of plagiarism by JKR of DWJ's work. Specifically, in relation to "Eight Days of Luke" vs "HP&tPS" one poster commented: "The coincidences are such as might be noted between, say, Jane Eyre and Daphne DuMaurier's Rebecca. Some similarities, and some inversions, but nothing remarkable in the world of fiction." I also reiterate the fact that JKR is the right age to have read and assimilated DWJ's books as a child-teen-yadult, as they were released, mostly in the 1970s and 1980s. So, to accuse her of plagiarism is, in a sense, like accusing her of experiencing life and literature. All that said, if Diana Wynne Jones wanted to take action against JK Rowling, she would have a stronger case than Nancy Stouffer, which says a lot about Nancy Stouffer's claims [ref: snowballs, hell]. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 17:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:20:00 -0400 Subject: one dancer (Snape) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5596 From: GypsyCaine Subject: one dancer (Snape) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5588] Re: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Date: 8/2/00 1:20 pm (ET) Neil, You have seen James and the Giant Peach, right? Who was the gentleman who gave the magic bag to James? I cannot recall, and he'd be good for either Snape or Siruis... Dee From spacecadet21684 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 18:30:00 2000 From: spacecadet21684 at yahoo.com (spacecadet21684) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:30:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER AND NASA????? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5597 From: spacecadet21684 Subject: HARRY POTTER AND NASA????? Date: 8/2/00 2:30 pm (ET) Cool article: http://www.spacekids.com/spacenews/potter_000801.html From SLGustaf1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 18:45:00 2000 From: SLGustaf1 at yahoo.com (SLGustaf1) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: New Member here Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5598 From: SLGustaf1 Subject: New Member here Date: 8/2/00 2:45 pm (ET) Hello there. I just wanted to post saying how much I am enjoing this group. I just joined about a week ago, and have been trying like Mad to read a good portion of the posts, but with almost 6000 to get through, that might be something only "magic" could help me do. It's great to have a forum where adults can discuss these wonderful books. I am 22 years old, and am fascinated as much as a 10 year old with HP. The disussions on here have been great, and I was amazed to see that many of the exact topics my boyfriend and I have talked/debated have come up her (actors for the movie, the reverse order problem in GoF) Well, I'll keep it short. Keep up the good posts!! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 18:49:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Don't Make Me Angry! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5599 From: Danemead Subject: Don't Make Me Angry! Date: 8/2/00 2:49 pm (ET) As Dr. David Banner used to say (just before he turned into the Incredible Hulk), "Don't make me angry! You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." If the Big V wants to defeat Harry, he better learn that it's not a good idea to make Harry angry, or to make him feel ANY very strong emotion. That's when that wellspring of power seems to bubble to the surface in Harry. When he's in the grip of strong emotions, he's able to perform magic without a wand OR incantation. Examples: When he released the snake in the zoo in Book 1, Dudley had just knocked him to the floor and Harry managed to make the glass cage vanish. When Harry blew up Aunt Marge and caused the locked cupboard in the hall to burst open as he was heading toward it. Also, making his hair grow back overnight, turning his teacher's wig blue, and either levitating or apparating to the roof of the school when being chased by Dudley's gang -- all done without wand or words. From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 18:56:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: New Member here Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5600 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Re: New Member here Reply To: [Yahoo! #5598] New Member here Date: 8/2/00 2:56 pm (ET) Hi, I'm a new member too. Glad to see I'm not the only adult who's fascinated by HP. Brings out the kid in me! Dave From naraht at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 19:51:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:51:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur & Lucius Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5601 From: naraht Subject: Arthur & Lucius Date: 8/2/00 3:51 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E When the final battle occurs (shades of Ragnarok. :) There is only one pairing of people (other than Harry and Lord V.) who I *want* to see end up specifically in battle with each other and that is Arthur Weasley and Lucius Malfoy. They didn't finish the fight they had in CoS, Arthur may know that Lucius is responsible for the diary and the bad blood was continued in GoF. They also represent the support and opposition to Lord V as well as feelings on the two sides of pure blood/mud blood... Randy From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:00:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:00:00 -0400 Subject: Stoppering Death... no spoilers... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5602 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Stoppering Death... no spoilers... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5523] Re: Dumbeldores reaction Date: 8/2/00 4:00 pm (ET) Taking the last part of Brooks' message, making it the first part of a reply: >>Re-read Snape's opening speech in first day of potions class in Book I. He says "potions can even stopper death". I take that to mean 'put a stopper (that is, block up the hole) in the bottle from whence death comes' - and I think he means this as a metaphor, not as a literal intepretation of using a potion as a poison antidote. So if potions can already stop death, what is Voldy trying to beat? << I didn't take Snape's words in that way. When he says "even stopper death", I took that to mean that he can put death (i.e., a poison that would cause death) in a vial and "stopper" it. Meaning that he can make poisons... which is no big surprise, as when I consider magical potions, the ones I most think of are ones that cause either great bodily discomfort or death. :) Anyway, although that theory is interesting, I don't think I can agree with you on it. Jen (who wishes that several (unnamed) magic potions would pop up in her medicine cabinet and correct all the minor problems in her life) From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:12:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur & Lucius Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5603 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Arthur & Lucius Reply To: [Yahoo! #5601] Arthur & Lucius Date: 8/2/00 4:12 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E I could not agree with you more!!! I would love to see Arthur kick Lucius' Death Eatin', Muggle hatin' butt!!! Plus, while Harry is off fighting Lord V, I hope Ron takes on Malfoy and show's him a thing or two!!! Janet From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:18:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:18:00 -0400 Subject: Malfoy, Ron and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5604 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Malfoy, Ron and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #5603] Re: Arthur & Lucius Date: 8/2/00 4:18 pm (ET) "Plus, while Harry is off fighting Lord V, I hope Ron takes on Malfoy and show's him a thing or two!!!" I would see this as a role for Hermione. A chance to get back at all the Mudblood comments. Or maybe a role for Neville. We have seen plenty of reasons for him to want revenge on Draco. Or Ginny due to comments about the fact that she fancies Harry. Or Colin for winding him up for hero worshipping Harry. Those were all the ones I could think of! Simon From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:24:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Malfoy, Ron and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5605 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Malfoy, Ron and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #5604] Re: Malfoy, Ron and Hermione Date: 8/2/00 4:24 pm (ET) Heck they could all take a wack at him!!! Along with Crabbe and Doyle kinda like... S P O I L E R S P A C E when they all used different spells on them at the end of GoF. Janet From peevespoltergeist at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:35:00 2000 From: peevespoltergeist at yahoo.com (peevespoltergeist) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Party Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5606 From: peevespoltergeist Subject: Harry Potter Party Pics Date: 8/2/00 4:35 pm (ET) Party at Hogwarts! Check out the photos: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=57458&a=7332921 -Peeves From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:36:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5607 From: harry_potter00 Subject: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again) Date: 8/2/00 4:36 pm (ET) I know you're tired of this but I have something to add!!!! S P O I L E R ! S P A C E ! ! Here's my theory...In PoA, Dumbledore says that Wormtail is indebted to Harry, who saved his life, and that is a very powerful bond which, Voldy would not want his servant to have. If by taking Harry's blood, which carried a certain amount of protection for Harry, Voldy comes one step closer to immorality then is it also possible that Voldy would be indebted to Harry for this. Also totally off the subject I was listening to Stephen Fry's interview of JKR on bloomsbury.com and she seemed to illude to the fact that she COULDN'T talk about parselmouth because it had bearing in book seven... From lady_voldemort at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 20:54:00 2000 From: lady_voldemort at yahoo.com (lady_voldemort) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: hey! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5608 From: lady_voldemort Subject: hey! Date: 8/2/00 4:54 pm (ET) just a random message to say hi, I'm new and I think that this club is really good. I've just been reading the messages for the last few weeks and the topics are really interesting. lady voldemort From lady_voldemort at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 21:03:00 2000 From: lady_voldemort at yahoo.com (lady_voldemort) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5609 From: lady_voldemort Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5595] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 5:03 pm (ET) I have read all of DWJ's books and I feel that I must point out that in the original post it was mentioned that Lukes reletives fawn over a younger son, there is NO younger son in the books, one of the points that I feel comes accross is the fact that the family only pick on Luke because he is the youngest. When he is away then they pick on the second youngest (Astrid). surely this takes away most of the grounds for accusations of plagerism from eight days of Luke? lady voldemort ps. One of my favourite DWJ books is Howl's moving castle, it's so funny pps. If you read both charmed life and Lifes of Christopher Chant (with LoCC first and CL second) then you can see many of the characters as grown ups, my friends didn't notice this until it was pointed out to them. (first example is the Goddess is Millie) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 21:20:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5610 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again Reply To: [Yahoo! #5607] The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again) Date: 8/2/00 5:20 pm (ET) Spoiler space - no, not tired of it, but... p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p <<If by taking Harry's blood, which carried a certain amount of protection for Harry, Voldy comes one step closer to immorality then is it also possible that Voldy would be indebted to Harry for this.>> Hmmm - Voldy's pretty much taken every step he can towards immorality! Sorry, HP00, I know you meant to say immortality... ;) BTW, I don't think anyone would complain about new theories or discussion about the 'look of triumph' in Dumbledore's eyes; it's just the recurring question along the lines of "Hey, did anyone else notice the look in Dumbledore's eyes?" The answer to that is obviously 'yes'. Neil, sounding rather tetchy, but not... From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 21:31:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5611 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5588] Re: Dancing/and one dancer (Snape) Date: 8/2/00 5:31 pm (ET) What about Jeremy Irons? He's been rattling around in my head.Another one that comes to mind is Gary Oldman.They are such wonderful bad guys,but perhaps,(now that I think about it)they would be better as Voldy. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 21:37:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:37:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5612 From: golden_faile Subject: RE: Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #5592] RE: Ginny Date: 8/2/00 5:37 pm (ET) I think Jenny will blossom in the next year or so,and the guys (all except Ron of course) will be looking at her in a new way. It does appear that she and hermoine will start to get closer,after all, you got to get on good with your in-laws! From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 22:44:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5613 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again Reply To: [Yahoo! #5607] The Gleam in Dumbledore's Eye (again) Date: 8/2/00 6:44 pm (ET) GoF Spoiler ahead... S P O I L E R S P A C E >Here's my theory...In PoA, Dumbledore says that Wormtail is indebted to Harry, who saved his life, and that is a very powerful bond which, Voldy would not want his servant to have. If by taking Harry's blood, which carried a certain amount of protection for Harry, Voldy comes one step closer to immorality then is it also possible that Voldy would be indebted to Harry for this. Well, I don't think that Voldemort is going to feel indebted to anyone for his return, least of all Harry. It is because of Harry that he was stripped of power, nearly killed, and forced to wander the world without a body for thirteen years, whether it was Harry's fault or not. And it isn't as if Harry willingly helped him, like he did Wormtail. He was captured and forced to give the blood. From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 00:06:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:06:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5614 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5595] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/2/00 8:06 pm (ET) I agree with Neil that any accusations of plagiarism by JKR or DWJ have no basis, not just among DWJ fans but among fantasy readers in general. There are certain conventions in all types of genre fiction such as fantasy, understood and accepted by avid genre readers, that seem to be unknown to readers who only read the occasional genre book (such as Nancy Stouffer, who apparently thinks she invented every fantasy convention there is!). I always assume that anyone who accuses JKR of copying DWJ is probably not a regular fantasy reader. That doesn't make them a lesser reader, of course, just a less experienced reader of fantasy. I think one of the true delights of JKR's work is the manner in which she combines convention with surprise. DWJ does the same sort of thing -- and while the conventions used by both authors may be familiar, their surprises are completely original. BTW, DWJ has written a very funny, tongue-in-cheek book about fantasy genre conventions called "The Tough Guide to Fantasyland." Perhaps we should all chip in and send a copy to Nancy Stouffer, ehr, excuse me N.K. Stouffer. (When is JKR going to sue her back for using her initials as a pen name?) Harriet From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 01:05:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5615 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Date: 8/2/00 9:05 pm (ET) I happened to see him again recently, but I think he would make a good Vernon, thick neck, a little chubby (a bit more padding to fill him out). How about Nathan Lane ?? I think he could really make a great Vernon, he has done some excellent comedy. DR From cairnsynz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 02:35:00 2000 From: cairnsynz at yahoo.com (cairnsyNZ) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5616 From: cairnsyNZ Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5309] Re: Percy Date: 8/2/00 10:35 pm (ET) >Hi Cairnsy - welcome to the club! Thanks! >Your analysis of Percy was *very* comprehensive, >especially as you've only read Book 1! Are you a >psychologist? Sadly, I'm only a stuggling University student doing a double major in Ancient History and Classical Studies. And as of yesterday I've read books 1 and 2 :) * * * * * * * In reply to Ron having a harder time than Percy, I still tend to disagree :) Percy and the twins are *real*, and everyone can see the bad points of each of them. Becuase the twins are so different to Percy, I doubt Ron is expected to be like all of them at once. He may be expected to live up to the accomplishments of the twins and/or Percy, but only to a point. The fact that Percy is so taunted and teased by others in the first two books might mean that the pressure is simply to be like the twins, who are far more popular. Percy however had to live up to the myth of perfection. Without the older brothers being there, he was probably expected to be a combination of all their exagerated good points, and not allowed breathing space to be himself. To me, he seems like a classic example of someone trying so hard to be the ideal perfect person, that he doesn't know how to be himself or relax. I love Percy, he is just so complex :) Cairnsy From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 02:36:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: one dancer (Snape) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5617 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: one dancer (Snape) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5596] one dancer (Snape) Date: 8/2/00 10:36 pm (ET) I believe the actor's name is Pete Poslethwaite (his other credits include "The Lost World: Jurassic Park" and "In The Name of the Father"). He's a tad too old to be either Snape or Sirius. But speaking of "James and the Giant Peach", the actor who played James, Paul Terry would've been a wonderful Ron (but I guess he's a tad too old to play that role so I think if he's part of the cast he'd play Percy). From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 03:34:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5618 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #5585] Re: Movie Date: 8/2/00 11:34 pm (ET) Oh no! Not *dance numbers* in the film! Can you imagine it...? Scene: The start-of-term banquet. Three midgets appear and dance before Harry and sing: "We represent the Lemon-Sherbet Guild "The Lemon-Sherbet Guild "The Lemon-Sherbet Guild "And in the name of the Lemon-Sherbet Guild "We wish to welcome you to Hogwarts-land!" But the Yule Ball is of course another matter... Who do you think should portray the Weird Sisters? ( Whoever is the Turkish entry in the Eurovision Song Contest at the time... :) ) From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 03:41:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER AND NASA????? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5619 From: davehoz Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER AND NASA????? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5597] HARRY POTTER AND NASA????? Date: 8/2/00 11:41 pm (ET) Funny article! Seriously though, I think Silicon Valley will bring Quidditch (via Virtual Reality) to the world long before NASA does... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 03:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:57:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5620 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Wands Date: 8/2/00 11:57 pm (ET) Everyone remembers that Ron started Book 1 with 'Bill's old robes, Charlie's old wand, and Percy's old rat'. The wand was so worn that the unicorn hair was sticking out a hole in the bottom (like the stuffing sticking out a worn spot in the sofa, I guess). At first I thought that Charlie had gotten a new wand in order to have one better suited to his work with dragons, and would normally have kept the old one for sentimental value except that he had to give it to Ron. But after more thought, I decided that he had replaced the old wand because it was physically (and perhaps magically?) worn out. Unless there is some reason while Charlie Weasley is unusually hard on wands, it may be that wands normally wear out in about the same timespan that automobiles do. If Harry outlives his wand, is he going to be able to find another one unique enough for him? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 04:00:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Movie (Very Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5621 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Movie (Very Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5618] Re: Movie Date: 8/3/00 12:00 am (ET) Who do you think should portray the Weird Sisters? The Dixie Chicks (LOL) or the last remaining Spice Girls (LOL). No, seriously, if I were to directed "Goblet of Fire", there will be a brief choreographed dance sequence featuring the four champions. Whoever will play the Weird Sisters will sing the theme song of the movie. The dance number will be supplemented by pixies doing formations around the champions and their partners. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 04:10:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5622 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5609] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 12:10 am (ET) I am pleased to hear that there is essentially nothing more to this than two English authors working in the same field with similiar age protagonists. I suspect that if you wanted to you could reduce almost any pair of books to a few sentences and make them sound the same. Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings might be a challenge but I'll bet it could be done. I think this particular discussion has something interesting to say about the proposed FAQs. Periodically we've gone through discussions of other books to read while waiting for the next book. At least we did about 5000 messages ago. I don't recall Dianna Wynne Jones coming up during those messages. I had never heard of her before last week. So even though we're going over the same territory again, we're getting new insights. I think its important that the FAQs be there not to stifle the conversation but to give newbies some insight into what has been dealt with. That means the FAQs should go into some detail. By the way, Penny, I would be willing to work on a "What else to read" section. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 05:09:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:09:00 -0400 Subject: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5623 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5622] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 1:09 am (ET) <<I don't recall Dianna Wynne Jones coming up during those messages. I had never heard of her before last week. So even though we're going over the same territory again, we're getting new insights.>> I agree that the FAQs should act as a guide for new people and as a reminder for existing members. Some topics are bound to come round again and people can put interesting angles on what has gone before if they know what we've discussed. [hand reaching to ceiling] I've mentioned Diana Wynne Jones quite a few times since I joined this club, often specifically in response to suggestions for 'other' reading material, and others have mentioned her books as well. Er, where were you? Sorry :) I know there are topics/messages that I've missed or forgotten too, so it will be *really* handy having a summary of those things! It will probably stimulate discussion rather than stifle it. Neil PS - and a recommended reading list is a good idea! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 05:23:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:23:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5624 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5622] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 1:23 am (ET) >>I suspect that if you wanted to you could reduce almost any pair of books to a few sentences and make them sound the same. Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings might be a challenge but I'll bet it could be done.<< Challenge? Nah. "Young man becomes the chosen person to defeat the evil that lurks in his special world, specifically one ultra-powerful menacing dark-wizard. With the help of a special talisman, a few friends, and his own sense of right, he triumphs in the end." La la la! Of course, we must realize that Frodo is a young man (okay, hobbit... let's assume they're similar enough for now) in HIS (normal) lifespan... the talisman is well... Frodo's got the ring, but I'm thinking more of a *helpful* talisman, so you could think of the gift of the fairies as one if you like. It's all how you phrase it... it's got to be open to interpretations. ;) Now to the second part of the message... DWJ has been discussed prior to this week (as Neil says in the message immediately following yours), but I think I was in some sort of pre-book-four haze, and I didn't really recall it either. For some reason, though, I did pick up on a couple of other references, though I'm not sure if they were on this board or not... specifically Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy (which isn't completed yet). I would REALLY enjoy having a "what else to read" section to refer to... although since there's already been a volunteer, my willingness to comply is kind of moot. Jen (who isn't going to mention volunteering for helping out with the FAQ and message sorting - now don't you guys guilt me into it, either. :P) From Orrianne at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 05:40:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5625 From: Orrianne Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #5620] Wands Date: 8/3/00 1:40 am (ET) It's possible that the wand was a hand-me-down to Charlie because they couldn't afford to get him the right wand when he went to Hogwarts either. Possibly, the wand is pretty old and outlived the original owner? Perhaps Charlie finally got the wand truly suited to him as part of his graduation present. Who knows? From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 06:19:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:19:00 -0400 Subject: casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5626 From: dogspoon Subject: casting Date: 8/3/00 2:19 am (ET) ok, i'm new to this club but i think that the choice for dumeldore should be sean connery. as for snape, let's see, patrick stewart. it's not easy picking british actors so please excuse my next choices. the pepsi kid could play hermione granger. as for hagrid, does anyone remember hillbilly jim? ok, i'm stuck right now but i will finish the casting for the movie so keep a look out for "Dogspoons Decisions". this is the subject i will use for all of my useless little insights and opinions so keep an eye out if you are interested in a fine combination of serious opinion and humor. see ya From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 06:28:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:28:00 -0400 Subject: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5627 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5615] Vernon Dursley Actor ! Date: 8/3/00 2:28 am (ET) i'm sorry but i think that nathan lane would make a better petunia than a vernon. have you ever seen disney's peter pan? you know the dad on the cartoon that yelled a lot? that is vernon dursley. now we need to find a real live person that reminds us of him. by the way, what do you think about tim curry as voldemort? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 12:22:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:22:00 -0400 Subject: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5628 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5627] Re: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Date: 8/3/00 8:22 am (ET) The best person to play Voldemort is none other than GARY OLDMAN ("Dracula", "Air Force One"). The best Uncle Vernon I could think of is Robbie Coltrane but he is being considered to play Hagrid. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 12:28:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:28:00 -0400 Subject: casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5629 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5626] casting Date: 8/3/00 8:28 am (ET) The girl, Hallie Eisenberg, is a wee bit too young to play Hermione (she's only 8). Besides, from what I've seen of her, she's just cute and not much else. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 12:42:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:42:00 -0400 Subject: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5630 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5623] Re: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Date: 8/3/00 8:42 am (ET) >[hand reaching to ceiling] I've mentioned Diana >Wynne Jones quite a few times since I joined >this club, often specifically in response to >suggestions for 'other' reading material, and >others have mentioned her books as well. Er, >where were you? Well, er, ah, to be perfectly honest I was swamped by the volume of messages on the board. At one point we were kicking them in at over 100 per day. I had a really bad internet connection about that same time (14.4 K for 30 minutes per day) and I had to get very selective as to which postings I read. I'm the proof of the problem concerning the FAQs and probably the suggestion that we beat Yahoo until they give us a search function. So, Ford, about what message number did you start mentioning DWJ? From ophelia1322 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 14:01:00 2000 From: ophelia1322 at yahoo.com (ophelia1322) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5631 From: ophelia1322 Subject: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5626] casting Date: 8/3/00 10:01 am (ET) We think that Alan Rickman would make a great snape - he's got that snapey look about him and he's good at being a baddie. Effie From spacecadet21684 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 14:18:00 2000 From: spacecadet21684 at yahoo.com (spacecadet21684) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and NASA??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5632 From: spacecadet21684 Subject: Harry Potter and NASA??? Date: 8/3/00 10:18 am (ET) I read a cool article here: http://www.spacekids.com/spacenews/potter_000801.html From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 14:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: er, Diana Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5633 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5630] Re: DWJ (OT!) and reading suggestions Date: 8/3/00 10:29 am (ET) So, Ford, about what message number did you start mentioning DWJ? Erk. Me and my big gob! Well, I've had a trawl through some old messages (and yes folks, it *is* laborious and there are way too many posts for a sane person to read) and found these examples... #1854 #2487 #3407 #4984 I also remember mentioning nine-lived enchanters, such as DWJ's Chrestomanci, when we were discussing the possibility of HP and Voldemort being megawizards (i.e. a class of wizards more powerful than regular wizards), but perhaps that was in the chat room or a conversation I had with someone. I'm easily confused. Certainly the point about plagiarism had not been raised before, so I was very interested in your original post. I guess I was just a bit surprised when you said you'd never come across Diana Wynne Jones before. About a dozen people have now posted responses to my post in the DWJ e-mail group, and they all remarked "Huh?" [or similar] to the suggestion that "...Philosopher's Stone" steals from "Eight Days of Luke". It's a non-starter. Neil, who wishes we had a search facility *and* the ability to store our own messages so we could remember what the hell we said about something. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:23:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:23:00 -0400 Subject: Test.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5634 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Test.... Date: 8/3/00 11:23 am (ET) yahoo is telling me I don't exist... Dee From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:43:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Test.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5635 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Test.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5634] Test.... Date: 8/3/00 11:43 am (ET) > yahoo is telling me I don't exist... Dee How do you know it isn't telling the truth <g> ? Nicholas From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:46:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:46:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5636 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 11:46 am (ET) will let me still be official (it's saying I am a guest in alot of my other clubs, or not letting me post!) so I will make this quick. I have started a document of all the postings in here, removing the macros. Would anyone want a copy when it's done--it'll be huge! Just let me know! Dee (Shan't worry about spoilers, and such, cause by the time I get to the GoF stuff, I will prolly have read it! Grins!) Dee From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:50:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:50:00 -0400 Subject: er, Diana Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5637 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5633] Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 11:50 am (ET) I see messages from flying_ford_anglia that mention DWJ, Dianna whatsit jones from the beggining of July... Just thought I'd tell you this, one of the advantages of usig OUtlook to navigate this group Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:51:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:51:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5638 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5636] Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 11:51 am (ET) If you are saing the web page, I have already done this as a set of text files, or was it 1 text file? Zipped up it's about 720kb - this could be a lot easier than you saving the web page. Apologies if you are getting this via e-mail though. Nicholas From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:52:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: er, Diana Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5639 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5637] Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 11:52 am (ET) One of the first ten posts of the club mention DWJ! Kewl reading the old ones, has anyone gone back and checked them? I liked this one: Casting: Dumbledore alisc4 10/4/99 11:43 pm I've been giving this matter some though, and how about John Cleese? I can just picture him giving the speech during the arrival feast! Respected, but doesn't take himself seriously. What does everoyone think? alisc4. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 15:54:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: er, Diana Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5640 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5639] Re: er, Diana Wynne Jones Date: 8/3/00 11:54 am (ET) > Kewl reading the old ones, has anyone gone back and checked them? I liked this one: I don't think I have the stamina :) Nicholas From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 16:13:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:13:00 -0400 Subject: Its actually pretty easier Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5641 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Its actually pretty easier Date: 8/3/00 12:13 pm (ET) to cut and paste the messages, if you use notepad as a temporary storage. Notepad can't handle tables, macros, and the like, so all you get is the text! I am up to message 30 already; all I do is highlight, right click, copy and then paste. When the notepad gets too full, I select all, cut, and paste to a word document where I will spell check later! (I know MY POSTS(!) need checked, lol!) It should not take long at all, just busy work! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 16:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5642 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5636] Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 12:50 pm (ET) <<I have started a document of all the postings in here, removing the macros. >> Dee! Surely you're not copy/pasting nearly 6,000 messages into one file... are you? BTW, Yahoo keeps telling me I'm not logged in when I attempt to post a message (even if I've already logged in). I think they've changed the settings. Neil PS on DWJ: Talking of memories that seem to conflict with reality, "Fire & Hemlock" by Diana Wynne Jones is one of the best. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 17:17:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5643 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5642] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 1:17 pm (ET) Actually, Neil, yes I am. I am up to 103, but I believe some food might be in order, (lol!) so I am now just going to go and eat. Would you like a copy of the current document? It's not that long. I am condensing where I can, all posts are now one paragraph long, except for the lists. It appears most of the first 100 are casting questions, one about book banning, and a few questions about the books like why did Harry hear his mom scream when the Dementors touched him. One of the most interesting things that I read, and that I had C. Columbus gets to read (LOL) is Cleese for FILCH! Can you see him as the crotchety old care-taker only in love with his cat? (Betcha they steal a cat from Stuart Little btw!) It would be a riot! Muttering to himself about the puddle coming from the girls bathroom, and how the kids have it in for him.... Keeps giggling thinking about it. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 17:35:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5644 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 1:35 pm (ET) In Book 1, Harry and Seamus are paired up in Flitwick's Charms lesson (Ch. "Halloween"). Seamus sets light to a feather he is trying to levitate and "Harry had to put it out with his hat". This suggests that the students wear pointed hats in class. There's also a reference to Snape swishing around in his cloak, making him sound like Count Dracula. I guess I'll have to adjust my mental images... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 17:45:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: Let's share the work! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5645 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Let's share the work! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5643] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 1:45 pm (ET) <<Actually, Neil, yes I am. I am up to 103, but I believe some food might be in order, (lol!) so I am now just going to go and eat. Would you like a copy of the current document? >> I'm sure a complete list would be very useful for preparing the FAQs, but, hey, you don't have to do it all yourself - even with meal breaks! It was agreed that we'd divide the workload between several volunteers, after all. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 18:03:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: Let's share the work! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5646 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Let's share the work! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5645] Let's share the work! Date: 8/3/00 2:03 pm (ET) Well, if someone wants, I will dissect the first 100? Grins.... Neil, have you ever read the comic series Hagar the Horrible? That's the way I picture Hagrid, sorta shaggy and hairy, all over. I will look for a copy of it online, in color. My ex was like that. No idea what attracted me to him. I like the Pierce Brosnan type! Speaking of types. Someone in the first group mentioned the Full Monty cast as possibles in key positions of cast? Any views? (Sean Connery as Dumbledore? Pant pant pant... Don't know if it'd work--too many aged housewives going to see the movie just because of him, lol!) From salter15 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 18:14:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: Let's share the work! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5647 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Let's share the work! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5646] Re: Let's share the work! Date: 8/3/00 2:14 pm (ET) <(Sean Connery as Dumbledore? Pant pant pant... Don't know if it'd work--too many aged housewives going to see the movie just because of him, lol!)> It wouldn't just be aged housewives!! I'm only 25 and I still find Sean extremely sexy!! ;o) Janet From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 18:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, Sean Connery... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5648 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside, Sean Connery... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5647] Re: Let's share the work! Date: 8/3/00 2:41 pm (ET) One of my greatest pleasures in life is when TBS runs a James Bond marathon. I adore watching Sean as a younger man. I admit my favorite moment of his acting career isn't "Bondian" though! In the absolutely wonderfully plotted, and so well orchestrated Highlander 2 (NOT!), there is the moment that Conner calls out to him that he needs him using the quickening... (Of course, this makes no sense in the scheme of things, and in 3 they act like 2 never happened! Don't blame them. For those who are into Highlander, the "ENDGAME" is coming out soon, yeah~!! it looks awfully good!) ...the lightning cracks, and the skull the actor playing Hamlet is holding while quoting "Alas poor Yorrick" turns into the now-attached one of Sean's character, Ramirez, who appears in his orginal outfit (skin tight tights, yum!), and it goes from there. That whole situation is the only reason I watch H2 now! :P Dee From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 19:03:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5649 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Reply To: [Yahoo! #5578] Re: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Date: 8/3/00 3:03 pm (ET) >>I was trying to place the Patil twins, and it >>now occurs to me that they may be of >>Indian/Pakistani parentage - could > some of the UK list members comment on that?>> > Again, I have posted something on this before, >but in the last ice-age :) Patel (similar to >Patil) is a common surname in > Britain, usually in people of Pakistani origin. I bet a lot of the US reader's won't catch that, so I'm gleaming my eyes in triumph that I did. :-) -Brooks From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 19:05:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: yahoo/login (tech topic, hot HP) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5650 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: yahoo/login (tech topic, hot HP) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5642] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 3:05 pm (ET) >BTW, Yahoo keeps telling me I'm not logged in >when I attempt to post a message (even if I've >already logged in). I think >they've changed the settings. See if your cookie accept/reject status has changed. -Brooks From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 19:12:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5651 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Reply To: [Yahoo! #5649] Re: Multiple Topix - names, mostly Date: 8/3/00 3:12 pm (ET) <<I bet a lot of the US reader's won't catch that, so I'm gleaming my eyes in triumph that I did. :-)>> That look in your eyes! You are indeed a servant of Voldemort, as I suspected from the start. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 19:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: Hagar the Horrible, possible brother to Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5652 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Hagar the Horrible, possible brother to Date: 8/3/00 3:20 pm (ET) Hagrid? http://www.kingfeatures.com/comics/hagar/index.htm From joy0823 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 20:59:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5653 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5644] Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 4:59 pm (ET) How do you know it's not a baseball cap...? ~Joy~ By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/3/00 1:35 pm In Book 1, Harry and Seamus are paired up in Flitwick's Charms lesson (Ch. "Halloween"). Seamus sets light to a feather he is trying to levitate and "Harry had to put it out with his hat". This suggests that the students wear pointed hats in class. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 21:08:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5654 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5653] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 5:08 pm (ET) <<How do you know it's not a baseball cap...?>> Of course I don't *know* that it's a pointy hat, but I'd assume that only American witches would wear baseball caps in class :0) Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 21:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5655 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5654] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 5:36 pm (ET) In American schools, you would be skinned alive if you wore a baseball hat in school! Different note: What about Rutger Hauer for Quirrel, or Martin Short for Snape? (Can't tell I am watching Merlin, can you? I can see what you see in Miranda as McGonagall!) :) Dee Perhaps that was the first day of classes, and hats were only required the first day? Like when you dress in your best school clothes the first day you get on the bus? The next day you put on your t-shirt and jeans! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 21:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5656 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5654] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 5:40 pm (ET) <<How do you know it's not a baseball cap...?>> Of course I don't *know* that it's a pointy hat, but I'd assume that only American witches would wear baseball caps in class :0) You are right. When I attended New Hogwarts, which is somewhere (I cant say where) in the U.S., the kids often wore baseball caps instead of their uniform (pointy) hats. However, here at Nouveaubatons the students all wear berets. -- Joywitch, rapidly approaching the deep end. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 21:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5657 From: plinsenmayer Subject: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 5:47 pm (ET) Hi everyone -- Update on the FAQs situation. I have 14 volunteers (including me & Melanie). That translates into 410 messages each. So . . . .I could really stand some more volunteers if possible. I know everyone has time constraints though. I'm going to hold off until early next week in the hope that some folks who might otherwise volunteer might be away from their computers -- on vacation or what have you. If we could get it down to where everyone only had to go through 200 messages each, that seems more manageable. GypsyCaine -- you haven't officially volunteered, but I hear that you've gone through the first 100 messages. Care to volunteer for the first group (whether it's 200 or 400)??? <g> The Committee at present includes me, Melanie, Neil, and Heidi. Skimmel has agreed to prepare a specific FAQ -- "What Else to Read." The plan at present is for each volunteer to make notes on threads (including message #s), background info (including message #s), and common questions. They should write that up into some word processing format (I have Word & Word Perfect) & email it to me. Then, the Committee will work up the FAQs. They will be housed on Melanie's site (which is a link on this Club's homepage) and will probably include links to egroup files of some sort. I know Melanie & Neil understand that aspect better than I. Thanks everyone! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo -- Search Engine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5658 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Yahoo -- Search Engine Date: 8/3/00 6:00 pm (ET) Hi: I tracked down a phone number for Yahoo customer care. I did call them and was eventually given the option to leave them a voicemail rather than continuing to hold. Since they promised I would receive a call back within 1 business day, I took that option. I left a voicemail explaining our predicament re: a search engine, the large message archives, etc. I managed to get my phone # in before the message cut off (but not my email). But, I did give my Yahoo ID up front, so presumably they could find my email address that way. I will update you as to whether I hear anything back from them or not (and as to what they say obviously). Anyone in the (408) area code if we should need to place another call??? Penny From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:00:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5659 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5657] FAQs Date: 8/3/00 6:00 pm (ET) "I have started a document of all the postings in here, removing the macros. Would anyone want a copy when it's done--it'll be huge! Just let me know!" So do I understand this to mean you are basicaly making a large file of all the messages ever posted here? Can I call you mad? This would however have the advantage of being searchable, but would probably have to be split into several smaller files for ease of use. "They should write that up into some word processing format (I have Word & Word Perfect) & email it to me." I would guess (this is from my knowledge of computers) that plain text files would be best. They are certainly have the advantage that anyone should be able to open them, no matter what wordprocessor they use. "The Committee at present includes me, Melanie, Neil, and Heidi." Do you need more people for this? If so count me in. "Skimmel has agreed to prepare a specific FAQ -- "What Else to Read."" Is this going to be taken from the messages posted? Or should we be e-mailing our suggestions through? Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5660 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5659] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 6:05 pm (ET) Hi: <<<"They should write that up into some word processing format (I have Word & Word Perfect) & email it to me." I would guess (this is from my knowledge of computers) that plain text files would be best. They are certainly have the advantage that anyone should be able to open them, no matter what wordprocessor they use.>>> That's fine by me. I'm not the most technically proficient person. <<<"The Committee at present includes me, Melanie, Neil, and Heidi." Do you need more people for this? If so count me in.>>> Consider yourself added. Now we have 3 women, 2 men -- seems balanced. Thank you. <<<"Skimmel has agreed to prepare a specific FAQ -- "What Else to Read."" Is this going to be taken from the messages posted? Or should we be e-mailing our suggestions through?>>> Skimmel volunteered for this one specifically - he has a specific interest in that topic I suppose. I think I like your suggestion of having each volunteer create their own list of threads, questions & background info as they go through their assigned group of messages. It is more work for the Committee, but clutters up the Board a little less & is overall less confusing. Sure you want to be on the Committee??? <g> Thanks!! Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:11:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:11:00 -0400 Subject: First 100 it is! I volunteer! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5661 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: First 100 it is! I volunteer! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5657] FAQs Date: 8/3/00 6:11 pm (ET) :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:14:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5662 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5659] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 6:14 pm (ET) Mad? Perhaps, but I am using Notepad to start with, so currently it's not that bad. Grins. It'll also end up being grammatically correct (at least according to Bill Gates!) when I finish. Dee From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:23:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5663 From: lilly_potter Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5009] Re: Lily's family history Date: 8/3/00 6:23 pm (ET) <>C) Lily and Petunia Snape (In which Severus >>wasn't *in love* with Lily but was her over->>protective older brother, who hates James >for "carrying her off" and Voldemort for killing >>her, which he blames James for too.) oh i like it i like it wow From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 22:50:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:50:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5664 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5662] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 6:50 pm (ET) "Mad? Perhaps, but I am using Notepad to start with, so currently it's not that bad. Grins. It'll also end up being grammatically correct (at least according to Bill Gates!) when I finish." It is correcting our grammar, and also spelling I assume. That will be interesting. Are you using UK or USA English? I am not a great fan of the grammar checkers on such programs and tend to turn them off. Simon From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 23:32:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny and Chapter 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5665 From: triner2001 Subject: Ginny and Chapter 4 Date: 8/3/00 7:32 pm (ET) We're still on this chapter and character discussion, right? School started today for the kids, but we faculty have been busy all week. I also had to go to the DMV (which I have have decided stands not for Dept of Motor Vehicles but Dementors Most Vicious instead) So, I haven't had the mental capacity to post anything. The preceding blurb serves as spoiler space. I think I laughed harder at Chapter 4 than any other in any of the books. It served to remind me how much I love the Weasleys. Arthur's inquisitiveness about being in a Muggle house was so endearing and his insistence that Vernon at least say goodby to Harry showed the dichotomy between the Wheezys (thanks Dobby for that phrase!) and the Dursleys. I like Ginny. She may not be a prime character like the intrepid trio, or as colorful as the twins, but in her own way helps anchor things. I like the fact that she and Hermione are becoming closer. Ginny being the only girl in her house and Hermione being an only child (at least I think she is. Don't recall ever hearing about siblings) I think itis only natural for them to hang together more often. I do hope that we get to know her better in the remaining books. Trina From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:08:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:08:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5666 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5643] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 8:08 pm (ET) > Actually, Neil, yes I am. I am up to 103, but I believe some food might be in order, (lol!) Dee, please - let me help! Going through 5000 posts sounds like hell... Can't I give you a large text file with every post from 2000 onwards on it?? Nicholas From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:17:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5667 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5664] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 8:17 pm (ET) USA, but I like English (aka British) english better. (Re-reads that, and determines that, yes, it does apply, just sounds funny). I approve of words such as humour, colour, and the like, they just look right. Of course my high school teachers hated them! :) Dee From voldemort_nz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:18:00 2000 From: voldemort_nz at yahoo.com (voldemort_nz) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5668 From: voldemort_nz Subject: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Date: 8/3/00 8:18 pm (ET) Voldemort is likely to go CGI (Computer Generated Image)for the Harry Potter Movie (like Jar Jar Bincks)but and actor will still need to supply movement and their voice for the part And also Book 1 in the Australia/New Zealand version was called Harry Potter and the Philosphers Stone while other people in diferent reigons call it the Sorcerers Stone im really confused about this! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:19:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5669 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5666] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 8:19 pm (ET) we can try! My main email will have to be used, as yahoo has the block above a certain file size. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:24:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:24:00 -0400 Subject: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5670 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #5669] Re: Ok. I don't know how long yahoo Date: 8/3/00 8:24 pm (ET) E-mail me at nicholas_stoker at hotmail.com with your real e-mail address then... Nicholas From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 00:56:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5671 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #5668] Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Date: 8/3/00 8:56 pm (ET) You know, I think you're right. Because of all the fabulous artwork by Mary GrandPre, I have a hard time picturing the character as real people and not as illustrations. When I hear people talk about who should play Hagrid, I always picture him being played by a large Muppet. BTW, the US version is called the Sorcerer's Stone. Most of the other books are called Philosopher's Stone. There are some wacky exceptions, however: the French one is called something like Harry Potter and the School of Wizardry or something like that. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 01:11:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:11:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5672 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #5671] Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Date: 8/3/00 9:11 pm (ET) > There are some wacky exceptions, however: the French one is called something like Harry Potter and the School of Wizardry or something like that. Wow - the french are calling 'ogwarts 'the' school of witchcraft and Wizardry. Would have thought they'd have prefered Beauxbatons :-) Excuse spelling errors.... Nicholas From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 01:13:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: Movie dancing (mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5673 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Movie dancing (mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5618] Re: Movie Date: 8/3/00 9:13 pm (ET) (JUST AVERT YOUR EYES...I'M TOO TIRED TO MAKE SPOILER SPACE) I was surprised when I read about the Yule Ball in book 4. I actually predicted to someone beforehand that there would be some sort of Hogwarts "prom." In a movie I would imagine it to be just dancing and talking, nothing fancy. However, I do agree that a famous band would play the Weird Sisters, and they would end up singing the theme song. ~Kaitlin From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 01:42:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5674 From: plinsenmayer Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Date: 8/3/00 9:42 pm (ET) Hi: I was chatting with a friend today - I gave her the HP books as a birthday gift. She raised an interesting question from PoA, so I thought I'd throw it out. When Sirius is cornered by the Dementors near the lake and Harry & Hermione rush to help him, why is he in his human form at this point? He was a dog, chasing after Pettigrew. Harry & Hermione then heard him yelping, in pain (as a dog). Then, the next thing we know he's cowering in front of the Dementors in his human form. Did the stress of running into the Dementors somehow cause him to transform back into his human form? He was clearly less vulnerable (by far) to the Dementors as a dog. Thoughts?? Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 01:56:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:56:00 -0400 Subject: Nick! Problems.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5675 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Nick! Problems.... Date: 8/3/00 9:56 pm (ET) The original message was received at Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:41:09 -0400 (EDT) from c2-1a132.neo.rr.com [24.93.220.132] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <nicholas_stoker at hotmail> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <nicholas_stoker at hotmail>... Host unknown (Name server: hotmail: host not found) From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 01:59:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5676 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #5671] Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Date: 8/3/00 9:59 pm (ET) >There are some wacky exceptions, however: the >French one is called something like Harry >Potter and the School of Wizardry or something like that. The French always have to be different. :) I understand they even use SECAM as their video format. (The rest of Europe is on PAL.) But don't get me wrong -- I love France and French people (except the taxicab and bus drivers). Has anyone besides me seen the Chateaux at Chenonceaux? That's how I envision Beauxbatons... From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 02:37:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5677 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Reply To: [Yahoo! #5676] Re: Voldemort Casting / Book 1 Title Date: 8/3/00 10:37 pm (ET) >But don't get me wrong -- I love France and French >people (except the taxicab and bus drivers) Since this offends everyone equally, I don't feel too guilty about posting it: Heaven is where: the police are British, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian, and everything is oganized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and everything is organized by the Italians. -Brooks From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 02:50:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5678 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5655] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/3/00 10:50 pm (ET) >>In American schools, you would be skinned alive if you wore a baseball hat in school!<< Alas, I think generation X was the last generation of school kids to be reminded that this was a faux pas. When I was a substitute teacher a few years ago (way back in 1997 - can you imagine a 22 year old substitute teacher?), I was appalled at how many kids wore their hats in class. And amazingly, they seemed SHOCKED that I would ask them to take them off while they were in my classroom! I even see people leave them on during the National Anthem - which is a BIG blunder - espeically to a Navy brat. ;) Hm. Let's see if I can make this post a little more on topic. ;) I think they do wear their hats as part of their uniforms - but I just CAN'T imagine them as really tall pointy hats. What a pain that would be. I think they probably toned them down for classroom use - now they're a little more squat and aerodynamic - and they leave the really tall ones for formal use. Jen (who has given up making her community college students take of *their* hats - too many of them have been arrested for assault.) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 02:55:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5679 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5662] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 10:55 pm (ET) >>It'll also end up being grammatically correct (at least according to Bill Gates!) when I finish.<< NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (whew, sorry) Please please please please please turn grammar check off! I can't tell you how many English professors at the college I work at HATE that thing with the white hot passion of a thousand suns (where did that quote come from again? _Princess Bride_?) It is the most idiotic suggestion device I have ever seen, and if for nothing else, Bill Gates and his evil minions need to have their fingernails slowly torn off for including this in Word. By all means, let the green squiggly lines show up. But ignore them! PLEASE! Jen (who by no means is threatening anyone - it's just a figure of speech... honestly! Please don't come after me! I have a small daughter who needs me!) ;) From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 03:17:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: Nick! Problems.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5680 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Nick! Problems.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5675] Nick! Problems.... Date: 8/3/00 11:17 pm (ET) Looks like it should be hotmail.com ...or... nicholas_stoker at hotmail.com From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 03:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Grammar checker... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5681 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Grammar checker... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5679] Re: FAQs Date: 8/3/00 11:39 pm (ET) <<It is the most idiotic suggestion device I have ever seen, and if for nothing else, Bill Gates and his evil minions need to have their fingernails slowly torn off for including this in Word.>> Ouch! Jen, you've been at that extra-strong coffee again... I agree though. I particularly loathe "This sentence may contain a verb in the passive voice," which seems to be one of my greatest sins, on a par with coveting my neighbour's ox. I always respond with "This person may be speaking in an aggressive voice," just to get it off my chest. Neil PS - Bill Gates is the Voldemort of modern muggledom! See - I was on topic at the end. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 03:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5682 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Reply To: [Yahoo! #5674] PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Date: 8/3/00 11:53 pm (ET) <<Did the stress of running into the Dementors somehow cause him to transform back into his human form? He was clearly less vulnerable (by far) to the Dementors as a dog.>> Perhaps it has something to do with the change in brain function elicited by the Dementors; the fact that they create something akin to clinical depression and drain away positive thoughts. For an animagus, switching between forms must involve major emotional input, and certain parts of the brain (such as the hippocampus) would control that. The same areas of the brain would be affected by the soul-sucking of the dementors to the extent that, ultimately, Sirius would have been unable to retain his animal form. That's my theory. Neil From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 03:54:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Voldy casting; was Grammar checker Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5683 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Voldy casting; was Grammar checker Reply To: [Yahoo! #5681] Re: Grammar checker... Date: 8/3/00 11:54 pm (ET) Neil pointed out: >>>Bill Gates is the Voldemort of modern muggledom IDEA: [light bulb]The HP movie with Bill Gates playing the role of Voldemort! Thats a bit of casting that would be really popular! From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 04:07:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5684 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5577] Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/4/00 12:07 am (ET) I have heard of Dianna Wynne Jones but am not sure if I'd read any of her books. However, to start with the Russian review: Lets start with the basic concept that Dianna Wynne Jones, assuming its a fair description, hardly invented the concept of the wicked stepparents. For heaven's sake, see Cinderella, and it wasn't invented by Perrault. That concept is almost as old as fiction itself. Standard heroic beginning, hero is stuck in bad situation, whether by parents, relatives, whoever. Magical something comes along and he gets out of it. So I truly do not see that as an issue. The fat spoiled son could be somewhat more problematical, but not really. Second, the review flat out misrepresented the bit about Harry's inheritance. It claimed that the relatives were responsible for keeping it from him. Not true at all. Thirdly, and most objectionable to me, is that the russian review has reviewed what appear to be the first two or three chapters of each book. What happens after each respective hero leaves his family must be completely and totally different. Otherwise, the review would have given us specifics. So basically, this review pretended that Jones had invented the wicked step parent story line, that she's the only one who did anything with it, and that therefore JKR's entire book, which is basically completely different from Jone's book, was nevertheless plagarized by her. Such nonsense is bound to be written about a highly successful author. But I truly would not be concerned that there is any truth to it whatsoever. At least not based on the nonsense of that review. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 04:32:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5685 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5631] Snape Date: 8/4/00 12:32 am (ET) Alan Rickman! ! ! He's perfect. And he could easily do that sometimes sarcastic, sometimes bitter voice. he did it in Galaxy Quest a lot. From voldemort_nz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 04:57:00 2000 From: voldemort_nz at yahoo.com (voldemort_nz) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:57:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5686 From: voldemort_nz Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5678] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/4/00 12:57 am (ET) In book 1 when Harry reads the letter form Hogwarts (Chapter 5 Pg 52) it clearly states on the uniform list that First Year Students would need one plain pointed hat (black) for day wear meaning the students would wear pointed hats during classes From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 05:47:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:47:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5687 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5684] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/4/00 1:47 am (ET) Somewhere in my collection of books (which is currently in massive disarray due to my re-painting my 'library' room), I have a book that explains that there are about 100 basic plots in the entire history of fiction. All novels correspond to one of these scenarios. The whole point is... How does the author take that basic idea and turn it into something magical? You have literally thousands of fantasy novels being churned out year after year. How many of them make the best-seller lists? How many of them are worth reading? I think it's fortunate for the other authors and for the publishing industry that an author like J.K. Rowling comes along once in a lifetime. She took one of those basic plots, which has been used in hundreds of published books, and turned it into pure gold. Because of her fantastic talent, I have not only enjoyed HER published works, I have also been introduced to dozens of other authors of similar stories, whose works I have purchased in the last 12 months. JKR's success can only create a snowball effect for the rest of the quality writers of fantasy and children's literature. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 06:06:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 02:06:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5688 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5687] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/4/00 2:06 am (ET) Just an interesting coincidence I meant to mention earlier - when I pulled out my Lloyd Alexander books the other day to answer a question about the Prydain books on this list, i discovered that a (not yet read) copy of DWJ's _Witch Week_ was on the shelf next to them! I set it aside to examine later..... it appears I grabbed it at some long-ago library book sale and have never got around to looking at it. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 07:09:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 03:09:00 -0400 Subject: What else to read Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5689 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: What else to read Reply To: [Yahoo! #5660] Re: FAQs Date: 8/4/00 3:09 am (ET) <<<"Skimmel has agreed to prepare a specific FAQ -- "What Else to Read."" Is this going to be taken from the messages posted? Or should we be e-mailing our suggestions through?>>> I will wade through as many posting as I can but I'm also going to throw in some from sources other than our group. So, go ahead and email me your suggestions. The address is stevekimmel at yahoo.com From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 10:32:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 06:32:00 -0400 Subject: Nick! Problems.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5690 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Nick! Problems.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5675] Nick! Problems.... Date: 8/4/00 6:32 am (ET) Sorry Dee, it's the first time I've used a hyphen in an e-mail address :-) nicholas-stoker at hotmail.com Sorry, try again Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 10:34:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 06:34:00 -0400 Subject: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5691 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Reply To: [Yahoo! #5677] Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Date: 8/4/00 6:34 am (ET) Two words - "Delia Smith" :) Nicholas > Heaven is where: the police are British, the cooks are French, the mechanics are German, the lovers are Italian, and everything is oganized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the cooks are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and everything is organized by the Italians. -Brooks From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 13:22:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5692 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5686] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/4/00 9:22 am (ET) I think the debate on the "school uniform" could go one endlessly. JKR seems to contradict herself soemtimes. I was re-reading GoF last night.... S P O I L E R and I seem to remember reading in Chpater 15, (I was falling asleep in bed reading, so maybe I'm imagining this)after the shortened Potions class (YEA!) Ron and Harry run up to their room, to put their Robes ON to prepare for the other schools' arrivals. Which I meant to read as they were not wearing their robes to the class. Hmmmmm.... Sam D. :) From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 13:35:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:35:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5693 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5692] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/4/00 9:35 am (ET) Page reference for those interested: Chp. 15, pge 241 (US editions). Of course now, re-reading it, on pge 240, he has his robe on in class..... Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that JKR used the terms "cloak" and "robe" interchangingly (is that a real word?), but now I'm reading that they are different. Forgive me for being a little slow! I also noticed where the editors did not make a language change between British and American English. McGonagall tells Parvati (also page 241) to take a clip out of her plait, most American kids I know would call it a braid. I think I'm done now, we can go back to more serious discussions. Sam D :) From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 14:33:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:33:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5694 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5692] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/4/00 10:33 am (ET) S P O I L E R I believe it said that they put CLOAKS on to meet the visitors. If you check Harry's acceptance letter in the first book, it says that they needed a winter cloak as part of their uniform. As it was very cold that day (Beauxbatons was shivering and Durmstrang had fur collars), it would make sense for them to need cloaks. ~Kaitlin From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 14:42:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5695 From: jenP_97 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Date: 8/4/00 10:42 am (ET) Only a week or two left on these, right? Right? ;) S P O I L E R S P A C E Whew. Okay. I was reading GOF to my husband last night, and I came across a phrase that has haunted me since then. I had dreams about it. I meant to sleep in this morning, but it was torturing me. Of course, I looked it up, and it's not quite as blatant as I thought - but it's still interesting. So tell me what you think: "Harry spent most of the afternoon in his bedroom; he couldn't stand watching Aunt Petunia peer out through the net curtains every few seconds, as though there had been a warning about an escaped rhinoceros." Could this be a literary allusion to Ionesco's _Rhinoceros_? Now that I've read a summary of the play and refreshed my memory, the main character in the play is more *anti-conformist* than anything - I won't go into all the Nazi references and all - but it could be a hint about the beginning of the play, where everyone's concerned about the growing rhino population. We all know that the Dursleys are as much conformists as anything else. And at the beginning of Ionesco's play, everyone is concerned that there is this crazy rhinoceros running around, making a mess, wreaking havoc, being a stupid ANIMAL... that sounds like the kind of reaction I can see coming from the Dursleys. Of course, then at the end, everyone conforms and becomes rhinoceroses(correct plural?) as well, so... I can also see this behavior from the Dursleys. I'm not sure I know what to think about this. I do know this. If JKR *did* put this in as an actual allusion... there's no WAY the average - or even above average kid is going to get the significance. Hell (excuse me!), *I*'m not sure I can work out the significance. Someone, please... tell me I'm not crazy! (well, not more crazy than usual, that is) Jen (remember! This tortured me all last night. Be gentle!) Ps. To qualify my above statement (not in my sig), I don't think any average/above-average AMERICAN kid is going to get it. I don't know about the British school systems, but I highly doubt that any normal American kid is going to be exposed in public school to Ionesco. ;) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 14:44:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:44:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5696 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5695] Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Date: 8/4/00 10:44 am (ET) reference to above quote: American version, chapter 4, page 41, half-way down the page. Jen (who refuses to follow standard MLA format and put in all the publishing information) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 15:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:18:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5697 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5695] Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Date: 8/4/00 11:18 am (ET) <<I don't think any average/above-average AMERICAN kid is going to get it. I don't know about the British school systems, but I highly doubt that any normal American kid is going to be exposed in public school to Ionesco.>> I was, but I think that my school system tended to be above average. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 15:25:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5698 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5695] Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Date: 8/4/00 11:25 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e <<I do know this. If JKR *did* put this in as an actual allusion... there's no WAY the average - or even above average kid is going to get the significance. Hell (excuse me!), *I*'m not sure I can work out the significance. Someone, please... tell me I'm not crazy! (well, not more crazy than usual, that is)>> You are very correct in saying that American Schools do not expose students to Ionesco. As for your theory it could certainly be true, as many stories are brimming w/ allusions, symbolism, metaphors, etc. that most readers never pick up on. In saying that the Dursely's are Conformists is nothing new, especially in their treatment of the magical community, and their unwillingness to be anything other than "normal". By the way, the plural form of Rhinoceros is Rhinoceri (I'm almost positive but I don't think I spelled it right..) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 15:37:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: I'm New Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5699 From: harry_potter00 Subject: I'm New Date: 8/4/00 11:37 am (ET) Hi I'm new to this club, though I've posted a few messages. I do have a confession, hold on, I'm NOT an adult. (Please don't reject me!!!) I am however an older teen, Ok, not really I'm just 16. I was however looking for a site where I could talk about Harry Potter beyond just "What's your favourite book?" or "Which house would you be in?"....so I was delighted to stumble upon your site. I am trying to go back SLOWLY through your back messages, but it will probably take forever...anhyhow I really hope that you don't mid me beinga part of this club. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:00:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clothes. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5700 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clothes. Date: 8/4/00 12:00 pm (ET) Mini Spoiler, Hold on... S P O I L E R When discussing the uniforms, I admit that I just CAN'T picture them in pointy hats. As far as robes go- JKR always refers to them in the plural form, which led me to believe that the Hogwarts robe consisted of more than one piece. I imagine that the students have a long black robe which fits them somewhat like a choir robe. Then over this a long tunic-like robe which is open at the front, sort of like a housecoat. Then there is the third and last piece of my very speculative wardrobe which is the cloak, with silver fastenings (book one, Harry's letter). This is the piece that I would say they do not wear all the time. Therefore after Potions they had to put it on to welcome Beauxbatons and Durmstrang. (Note: Would the second piece I described be a cloak anyway??? I'm thinking more along the lines of a cape or something sleeveless but I may be Double describing cloak..) A little off this subject, kind of, is the issue of Muggle clothes. I understood earliar messages to say that everyone assumed that the kids wore them and the adults did not. My only question would be- if so then where do they get the Muggle clothes. I can't see them selling them in Diagon alley, and in GoF even (Muggle Maniac) Mr Weasley was confused when he had to pay the man in Pounds and not Galleons. Also saying that they never shopped in Muggle London. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:22:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: I'm New Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5701 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: I'm New Reply To: [Yahoo! #5699] I'm New Date: 8/4/00 12:22 pm (ET) Welcome to the club, HarryPotter00. While most of this clubs members are older than you are, I believe I speak for everyone else when I say we are more concerned with emotional and intellectual age than chronological. As you are clearly intelligent and articulate; and your postings show an excellent grasp of English grammar and insightful commentary; I would say you are certainly ready to join our little band of fanatics. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:24:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Subject: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5702 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Reply To: [Yahoo! #5687] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/4/00 12:24 pm (ET) Danemead said: >>>I have a book that explains that there are about 100 basic plots in the entire history of fiction Interesting theory. When your library gets organized, could you send me the name of this book? Thanks. -- Joywitch From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:26:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:26:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5703 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Reply To: [Yahoo! #5682] Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Date: 8/4/00 12:26 pm (ET) <<<Did the stress of running into the Dementors somehow cause him to transform back into his human form? He was clearly less vulnerable (by far) to the Dementors as a dog.>>> <Perhaps it has something to do with the change in brain function elicited by the Dementors; the fact that they create something akin to clinical depression and drain away positive thoughts.> <For an animagus, switching between forms must involve major emotional input, and certain parts of the brain (such as the hippocampus) would control that. The same areas of the brain would be affected by the soul-sucking of the dementors to the extent that, ultimately, Sirius would have been unable to retain his animal form.> But then how did Sirius manage to spend so much time as a dog while in Azkaban, surrounded by dementors? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: I'm New Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5704 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I'm New Reply To: [Yahoo! #5699] I'm New Date: 8/4/00 12:43 pm (ET) <<I do have a confession, hold on, I'm NOT an adult. (Please don't reject me!!!)>> Unless I've misjudged the founders here, I don't think you need to worry about being booted from the club! Most (but not all) of us are over 16 (and feeling it), but I don't think any of us would want to exclude younger members who are capable of adult discussion and intelligent contributions. Neil From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:44:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5705 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Reply To: [Yahoo! #5703] Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Date: 8/4/00 12:44 pm (ET) > <<<Did the stress of running into the Dementors somehow cause him to > transform back into his human form? He was clearly less vulnerable (by > far) to the Dementors as a dog.>>> > > But then how did Sirius manage to spend so much time as a dog while in > Azkaban, surrounded by dementors? Perhaps Sirius was thinking a lot more like a human on the night in question than he had during his confinement. He knew all he had to do to get free was protect the kids from the werewolf and get Pettigrew up to Dumbledore. This may have been sufficient to draw the full attention of the dementors (hey, this dog is really thinking like the criminal we're after) which in turn might have broken down Sirius's ability to maintain form. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:52:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: Why???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5706 From: ymekelly Subject: Why???? Date: 8/4/00 12:52 pm (ET) I pretty new to this club. (2week member) If this question has been covered, I'm sorry about that. But...... Can anyone tell (or give me their oppinion) as to why did Lord V. went after Harry's parents in the 1st place?? Did he just want to kill people? Did he just want to kill all the pepole that were against him? Did he have a vision that a male child would bring him down, so he tried to cut Harry off before he grew up? S P O I L E R In GOF, it said that Harry's mom told Lord V to kill her not Harry. Was Lord V. there to kill Harry and not the whole family? any ideas???? YMEK :) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 16:57:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5707 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Reply To: [Yahoo! #5703] Re: PoA Question -- Sirius & Dementors Date: 8/4/00 12:57 pm (ET) <<But then how did Sirius manage to spend so much time as a dog while in Azkaban, surrounded by dementors? >> Good point! Perhaps he was able to acclimatise to the dementors in Azkaban and thereafter maintain his animal form for long periods. An emotional investment would be required for switching from animal to human form, but I think he would have been in a stable enough condition for long enough to have achieved that. Think of it like the difference between acute and chronic exposure to drugs. A sudden, acute 'attack' by the dementors would have created an instability, whereas with a constant, daily exposure, the brain would have been able to recover its equilibrium eventually. Neil From dogspoon at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 17:17:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: robin williams as dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5708 From: dogspoon Subject: robin williams as dumbledore Date: 8/4/00 1:17 pm (ET) it makes sense to me. nobody knows for sure as to whether or not robin williams is sane, just like dumbledore. he can be a serious as death and as wacky as, well, as only robin williams can be. i also have picked mary steemburgen to play mcgonagall, patrick stewart as snape, opie taylor as ron weasley, the nervous guy from fargo as quirrel, and whoever had the idea for a muppet to play Hagrid, two thumbs up for you. if only marty feldman was here he could be filch and one of these days liam neesan will be lupin. ok, now on an even lighter side, what cartoon characters would everyone pick to play these characters? how bout gargamel as snape? speaking of cartoons, am i the only one that was thoroughly dissappointed in the fact that the movie is not going to be a cartoon. i don't think that live action can do justice to something like this. From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 17:26:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: robin williams as dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5709 From: salter15 Subject: Re: robin williams as dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #5708] robin williams as dumbledore Date: 8/4/00 1:26 pm (ET) <speaking of cartoons, am i the only one that was thoroughly dissappointed in the fact that the movie is not going to be a cartoon. i don't think that live action can do justice to something like this. > Ok, I agree part of me would like it to be animated, but only if Disney/Pixar were doing it. I don't think WB has the same experience that D/P does. That's just my opinion. Of course I am still interested in seeing how they will do it live action. And as most of us know it still won't be the same as the book. I have yet to see a movie that is even close to being as good as the book. Janet From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 17:27:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:27:00 -0400 Subject: robin williams as dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5710 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: robin williams as dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #5708] robin williams as dumbledore Date: 8/4/00 1:27 pm (ET) Nah, Robin Williams, if we're casting Americans at all, should be Peeves. Michael Caine, IMO, would be terrific as Dumbledore. And Richard Grant should be Snape. However, I have to agree with the casting director's decision to go with Maggie Smith as McGonagall. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 17:51:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5711 From: dogspoon Subject: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 1:51 pm (ET) to everyone that reads too much into a kid's book, or anything for that matter, please lighten up. jkr is probably not trying to make any significant "read between the lines" statement. it's a story, a great one mind you, but nothing more. some of the messages i have read since i've been in this club for the whole 3 or 4 days have been absolutely ridiculous. the dursley's stand for this and the rhino stands for that, please, give me a break. there is no doubt in my mind that jkr wrote what she meant and that if she read these messages her eyes would roll back in her head with an exhausting sigh of "OH MY GOD". I realize that not too many people are going to like this message but think about it before you retaliate. i have read through several intelligent conversations about harry potter and intend to continue participating in them but once again, for all you folks that have gone overboard, lighten up. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:05:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5712 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5711] lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:05 pm (ET) >>> but once again, for all you folks that have gone overboard, lighten up. >>> Um...I'm not sure if you're aware that people on this board have the right to discuss whatever they wish, unless it's profane or obscene. Maybe you think people are going overboard, but for others, it's just an interesting discussion. Maybe JKR uses symbolism with the "rhinocerous" thing, maybe not. People still have the right to their own opinions and interpretations, however strange or "overboard" they may seem. If you don't like the posts, ignore them. It doesn't take much effort to click on "Next" or "Delete." But please don't try to stifle the creativity and imagination of others. Thank you. -- JoAnna From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:05:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5713 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5711] lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:05 pm (ET) To Dogspoon and everyone else who thinks that we analytical folks need to "lighten up": There are two kinds of books in the world. The first type of lit is very shallow, and only has meaning on the surface. There are no hidden connotations, no secrets to be uncovered, no blissful "AHA!" moments. That kind of book often makes the bestseller's lists. It is an entertaining read, but it rarely stays with you. That kind of book is what I like to call "junk food". The second type of book is much more rare. From the moment you become immersed in the story, you realize that you have a classic in your hands. Plot, subplot, theme, setting, characterization, tone, and style are unified in a symphony so sublime that the music alternately makes you laugh or makes you misty eyed. This kind of book may or may not make the bestseller lists. But as you're reading it, you don't care whether one million other people are sharing the experience or if you are the only one. This kind of book is ambrosia. This kind of book is Harry Potter. So thanks, but I'll keep on analyzing. There are plenty of HP message boards for more superficial discussion. To Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ (who as an English major, must stand opposed to anyone who thinks that books are just entertainment, b/c books are life--the rest is just details.) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:12:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5714 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5711] lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:12 pm (ET) Hi: Dogspoon -- you might want to re-read the club introduction and/or FAQs (the link the FAQs is on the club homepage). The club description states very clearly that our discussions are "in-depth." If the level of discussions is "overboard" as far as you are concerned, then perhaps this is not the best club for you. If, on the other hand, you'd like to chime in with insightful comments when we happen to hit a discussion point that isn't "overboard" in your mind, then by all means join in at that point. But, I'd ask you to please use your delete key in the future with respect to discussions that you find irksome or boring. We don't generally like to squelch topics of discussion in this group. Our Club FAQs also mention that we as a group generally prefer people to type using Uppercase & Lowercase (all lowercase is difficult to read). Thanks, Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5715 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5711] lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:14 pm (ET) <<some of the messages i have read since i've been in this club for the whole 3 or 4 days have been absolutely ridiculous. the dursley's stand for this and the rhino stands for that, please, give me a break. >> One of the best things about literary discussion groups is that, now and then, people speculate wildly and think laterally. Things that seem ridiculous can lead on to other ideas and can be educational at the same time (that 'rhinoceros' thing was right over my head, I admit). I agree with you that for the most part, JKR is not writing in 'between-the-lines' code, but she does like to leave little clues dotted around, and it's human nature to be curious and say 'what if..' Another thing that occurs to me is that, in discussing possible influences and obcure topics, we're attempting to profile 'the mind of JK Rowling'. Subconsciously, if we can get a handle on the way she thinks, we might be able to second-guess her twisty plotlines [sorry if that sounds a bit ridiculous itself]. Believe me, this group is positively Ringling Brothers' Circus compared to some literary discussion groups I've seen! Just enjoy the mix and let people go whither they will. Neil is lighting up and look everyone... he's in flames!!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Subject: PoA Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5716 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: PoA Question Date: 8/4/00 2:17 pm (ET) Hi -- Thanks to Neil & Joywitch for the thoughts on my question regarding Sirius & the dementors. I rather like Neil's conclusion that Sirius was probably acclimated to the dementors while he was in Azkaban. Running into them on the Hogwarts grounds must have caused him to lose the ability to resist -- an "acute attack" as Neil said. After all, he'd been on the run for nearly a year at that point. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Welcome Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5717 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Welcome Date: 8/4/00 2:21 pm (ET) Hi -- Harry_Potter00 -- you are more than welcome here!! We will overlook your chronological deficiency. <g> Insightful commentary is always welcome, regardless of the age of the poster. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5718 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5713] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:23 pm (ET) Re: "junkfood" vs "ambrosia". How true, and how perfectly described, Ebony! Neil From dogspoon at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:23:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5719 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5713] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:23 pm (ET) english major huh. when you get out of college like i did several years ago maybe you will then realize that there are indeed two different types of books, one with pictures and one without. i should have realized that the analitical folks were just a bunch of college kids. just one last thought and i will consider the subject dropped, sometimes a rhino is a rhino. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:28:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5720 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5714] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:28 pm (ET) The books do not go as deep as these discussions. You people are diving head first into a glass of water. I knew that everyone would have a nasty reply to my message and I did not really want that to happen. You can discuss the book without re-writing it. From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:29:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5721 From: salter15 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5719] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:29 pm (ET) Hey dogspoon, do you know what a Shift key is? BTW the Harry Potter books have pictures in them. Janet From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: "Analytical Folks" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5722 From: plinsenmayer Subject: "Analytical Folks" Reply To: [Yahoo! #5719] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:29 pm (ET) Hi: <<<english major huh. when you get out of college like i did several years ago maybe you will then realize that there are indeed two different types of books, one with pictures and one without. i should have realized that the analitical folks were just a bunch of college kids.>>> Actually this analytical person happens to be a practicing attorney. We are not all "college kids" as you say (although there's certainly nothing wrong with that!). BTW, most of us who attended college do know how to spell analytical. If you feel that the Harry Potter books are "childrens' books" because they have pictures and you believe that we are all being overly analytical in discussing them, then, like I said before, perhaps this is not the place for you. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: Junkfood versus Ambrosia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5723 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Junkfood versus Ambrosia Date: 8/4/00 2:32 pm (ET) Hi -- <<<The books do not go as deep as these discussions.>>> You will find that most of us disagree with you on this point. Sorry. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:38:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5724 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5720] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 2:38 pm (ET) <<I knew that everyone would have a nasty reply to my message and I did not really want that to happen.>> Hmmm. I wasn't aware that I was being nasty in my response, but don't tempt me! If you're so clever, why not start off a shallow-end discussion about the books and stop whining about other people being analytical? This is a friendly group, but only if members engage their brains before pressing the keys (and that includes the Caps shift). Neil (graduated in 1983) From l_finder at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:43:00 2000 From: l_finder at yahoo.com (l_finder) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:43:00 -0400 Subject: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5725 From: l_finder Subject: Re: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5627] Re: Vernon Dursley Actor ! Date: 8/4/00 2:43 pm (ET) I think I would like to see Patricia Routledge(sp.) who's played Hiacynth Bucket in "Keeping up Appearances". She's short, she's stout and can play uppity-uppity to a tea. Linda From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 18:56:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5726 From: Danemead Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5702] Re: Rowling and Dianna Wynne Jones Date: 8/4/00 2:56 pm (ET) Joywitch - while I'm grubbing around looking for that elusive book of plots, here's a few other tidbits that might prove useful. If you are unable to access any of these sites, let me know and I'll send you a copy of the web pages. _________________ Whizzard's Guide to Text Adventure Authorship http://www-b.informatik.uni-hannover.de/dbis/lehre/sopra95/lit/info/authorship-g uide ---------------------------------------------- 20 Master Plots (Book Notes) http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/m/b/mbarker/www/writers/te950218 txt 20 Master Plots (And How to Build Them) Ronald B. Tobias ISBN 0-89879-595-8 Writer's Digest Books ---------------------------------------------- IS SF A LITERATE OR IDEAS ART-FORM? http://207.201.173.29/Holotales/al10.htm ---------------------------------------------- Dynamic Characters : How to Create Personalities That Keep Readers Captivated by Nancy Kress for sale at Amazon - the review contains useful info. ---------------------------------------------- Playing Twenty Questions with Literature: Heuristics for the Exploration of Literary Texts http://www.gmi.edu/~mgellis/HANDT015.HTM From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 19:05:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up (OT now) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5727 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: lighten up (OT now) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5724] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 3:05 pm (ET) OK - this is not a "college kid". I would be, but I can't afford it. College is not free here, and because I can't afford it I have had a series of dead end jobs for which I feel absolutely no passion (I am aware the same thing happens when you have qualifications, but they seem to tend to be higher paying). Discussion with other adults who enjoy books and can talk about them in a civilised manner is a lifeline for me - almost literally, and certainly emotionally. I enjoy speculations about rhinoceri (is that right?), and the thoughts of many people from many walks of life. In my opinion any books can be dicussed like this - as an illustration for this, my English teacher in high school one day bought in several "Dick and Jane" type books. He asked us to discuss them as we had many other "works of fine literature" on the National Curriculum (UK folks will know all about that!). We thought it was a huge joke, but within the hour were having great fun with it. The point of my post - we learned that there are, as you say "two types of books, one with pictures and one without", but both are equally rewarding to discuss when a group of like minded people get together! Sorry. End of rant. Am I too defensive, by any chance?! From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 19:09:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5728 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Reply To: [Yahoo! #5726] Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ) Date: 8/4/00 3:09 pm (ET) Thanks Danemead - I really enjoyed reading the "Twenty Questions with Literature" article you posted the link to. Especially reading them in the context of JKR's work! So many thoughts I can't even begin to express them here, and I've already talked everybody's ear off today anyway! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 19:53:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:53:00 -0400 Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5729 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Reply To: [Yahoo! #5726] Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ) Date: 8/4/00 3:53 pm (ET) Thanks, Danemead. Interesting articles, especially the last one and the one on SciFi and Literature. It made me wonder about the relationship between the Harry Potter books and Science Fiction. The SciFi/Fantasy genre seems to appeal to a certain type of person. I know that I consider HP to be SciFi (defined very broadly, of course, and including what is often called Fantasy) and that is a lot of its appeal to me. To me SciFi is literature that stretches the outer limits of my brain, makes me think about alternatives that I never thought of before, introduces me to new worlds or new possibilities or new realities. This, to me, is different than *normal* literature, which explores new facets of existing realities. Does this make any sense? Do you all think of Harry Potter as being Science Fiction? [other than dogspoon, who will say in small letters that i am being overly analitical (sic)] -- Joywitch From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 19:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5730 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5719] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 3:56 pm (ET) "two different types of books, one with pictures and one without" I very much enjoy reading the Harry Potter books and the only pictures I have ever found are on the front and back covers. "i should have realized that the analitical folks were just a bunch of college kids" No, I am a university student. There is a difference. As to being analytical. This comes from an active mind. It is very good to extend it towards various different topics covering many different subjects. "sometimes a rhino is a rhino" And there are of course times when it is not. Maybe it has drunk some animal equivalent of the polyjuice potion. "You can discuss the book without re-writing it." I find it very inteesting to see different points of view on the topics in the books. It is easy to miss important things, or to be so certain that there is only one explanation to an event. "One of the best things about literary discussion groups is that, now and then, people speculate wildly and think laterally. Things that seem ridiculous can lead on to other ideas and can be educational at the same time" Are you trying to describe some of my wild speculations Neil? This group is amazing at giving background information on the creatures, names of characters, etc... Simon (who knows where the shift key is) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 19:59:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:59:00 -0400 Subject: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5731 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Reply To: [Yahoo! #5691] Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Date: 8/4/00 3:59 pm (ET) "Two words - "Delia Smith" :)" I do not see your point here. I would have highlighted someone such as Jamie Oliver or one of the other modern chefs. "Hell is ... the cooks are British" I find this insulting but probably will just decide to laugh it off. The UK is becoming one of the best culinary countries in the world and if mathematics turns out to be wrong for me I can see me going into this type of career. Simon From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:00:00 -0400 Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5732 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Reply To: [Yahoo! #5729] Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Date: 8/4/00 4:00 pm (ET) >>>Do you all think of Harry Potter as being Science Fiction?<<< They are also excellent "whodunits" in the tradition of the Agatha Christie mysteries. She's always springing a surprise villain on us. Quirrel, Ginny-controlled-by-Riddle, Scabbers-into-Pettigrew, and Moody/Crouch. I never suspected any of them, which made it glorious fun to be so entertainingly fooled. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:02:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5733 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5698] Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Date: 8/4/00 4:02 pm (ET) Ionesco - who? I have no idea who you are on about and I probably count as an above average UK student. "By the way, the plural form of Rhinoceros is Rhinoceri (I'm almost positive but I don't think I spelled it right..)" Rhinoceroses actually, but who really cares as long as the point is got across. Simon From SLGustaf1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:10:00 2000 From: SLGustaf1 at yahoo.com (SLGustaf1) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5734 From: SLGustaf1 Subject: RE: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 4:10 pm (ET) Just another "college kid" here, chiming in: What do you think there are high school and college literature classes focusing on fiction for?? I don't think my school is revolutionary in promoting this idea, but isn't the point of those classes to analyze books? The idea I have gotten from evey lit. class I have ever taken is books are something to analyze, just like music. And it's fun and interesting to see things in books that may not even be there, but it ADDS TO your enjoyment of the book. So, my point is, if you want to just see the books for what is on the surface, but don't put down other people's enjoyment of a deep discussion. On a HP related topic, I had thought of the Pepsi girl for Hermione, too and thought I was crazy. But the "bushy hair" references just keep relating them together. I also have an idea for Lily. Helen Baxendale. For all of you felllow Americans who may not know the name, she played Emily on Friends. Any thoughts? From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:19:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5735 From: pt4ever Subject: RE: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5734] RE: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 4:19 pm (ET) >>> Just another "college kid" here, chiming in: >>> For the record, I am also a college student. I'm a sophomore at the University of Wyoming, to be exact. English major, Creative Writing minor. Someday, I'd like to write "children's books" myself. I doubt I'll be quite up to JKR's level, though. :) I can say for a fact that if these were *my* books that all of you were discussing, I would be delighted at the level of discussion taking place. It would mean that I had made you think, and an author can't ask for higher praise -- IMHO, anyway. >>> What do you think there are high school and college literature classes focusing on fiction for?? I don't think my school is revolutionary in promoting this idea, but isn't the point of those classes to analyze books? The idea I have gotten from evey lit. class I have ever taken is books are something to analyze, just like music. And it's fun and interesting to see things in books that may not even be there, but it ADDS TO your enjoyment of the book. So, my point is, if you want to just see the books for what is on the surface, but don't put down other people's enjoyment of a deep discussion. >>> I agree with this. Dogspoon, if you think the people of this club are being too analytical, you have obviously never been to my American Literature I class. A few of my classmates found phallic imagery in Puritan literature. Now *that's* what I call analytical! :-) Besides, we were often assigned eight-page essays -- you *had* to be overly analytical if you were going to fill up that much space! However, I suggest that we drop this subject. Dogspoon has had his fifteen minutes and received the negative attention his low self-esteem craves. I know from experience that it's just no use to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed person. -- JoAnna, who also knows where the Shift key is. From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:26:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: dogspoon has left the building... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5736 From: salter15 Subject: dogspoon has left the building... Date: 8/4/00 4:26 pm (ET) Or in this case the club home page. I don't think that dogspoon will be returning any time soon and if he/she does it'll be under anonther name. I may not always add to the deep messages, but I really enjoy reading them. This club is great!! Janet From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:31:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5737 From: pt4ever Subject: Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/4/00 4:31 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E "DRACO MALFOY, THE AMAZING BOUNCING FERRET!" That line had me in stitches! I nearly hyperventilated because I was laughing so hard. That was a *great* mental image! After I'd finished GoF, though, it made me wonder...did Moody/Crouch punish Draco because (a) he was angry that Lucius Malfoy was living the life of a "respectable" wizard, even though practicing the Dark Arts, and wanted to take it out on his son, (b) because he thought bullying Draco would keep up the charade and futher prove that he was the real Mad-Eye Moody, or (c) he was telling the truth and thought that attacking another wizard while his/her back was turned was a cowardly, scummy thing to do? Perhaps (d) he was just ensuring that Malfoy and his gang would leave Harry alone and not endager Harry's chances of winning the Triwizard Cup? Or maybe (e) a jar of almonds. (To anyone who hasn't seen the American episode of "Whose Line Is It Anyway" that that quote comes from, I apologize. I'm just in a rather silly mood today.) :-) -- JoAnna From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:38:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5738 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5720] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 4:38 pm (ET) Okay, I just have to step in here... As the original poster of the message concerning the allusion to the play _Rhinoceros_ by Eugene Ionesco, I admit, I wasn't being quite Sirius - er, serious. It was just a thought that popped into my head. Believe me, I am very much against reading too much into stories. I read somewhere that a Harvard professor told his students to write in depth about the meanings of Vonnegut's (sp?) _Slaughterhouse Five_ - and when one of his students submitted a paper stating that Vonnegut sent him an actual letter stating that he was just writing a story, the professor gave him an 'F' and said "He doesn't know what he's saying". I have a tendency to post silly posts (Neil can corroborate with this statement, I believe), and I thought that I was doing so this morning. However, I reserve the right to do this, and I don't really appreciate you resorting to calling names. Though you may have graduated college "several years ago", it seems to me that you're also a bit childish in this regard - which is fine, because as we all know in THIS group especially, a little child in us is a good thing. Overboard Jen. Ps. Anyone else *really* like that cheesy movie _Overboard_ with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russel? (yes, another OT post. Hehehe) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:40:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:40:00 -0400 Subject: Don't lighten up! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5739 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Don't lighten up! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5734] RE: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 4:40 pm (ET) I agree with everyone else. Everybody probably has their own opinion of what over-analytical is. I think that the point of books is to speak to the un-thought-of possibilites of everyday life. If we aren't analytical then all we ever get is a nice story that is fairly exciting. It is only when we dig deeper that we find the realities that we discover in books exsisted inside of oursleves all along. For me a good story is inhanced by rich thought provoking discussion. A story "with pictures" is no less worthy of our time than one without them. Harry Potter is so exciting because it is one of the rare GOOD books that has universal appeal, and yet is full of things that spring people's opinions too! From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:57:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter is NOT science fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5740 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Harry Potter is NOT science fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5729] Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Date: 8/4/00 4:57 pm (ET) Perhaps the single most frequently discussed yet never resolved question in the sf field is what is science fiction and where is the dividing line between science fiction and fantasy. The basic characteristics are pretty much agreed upon though. With a couple of noteworthy exceptions, science fiction must be possible. (The exceptions are faster than light travel and time travel which are generally acknowledged to be impossible but are considered part of sf anyway.) If it is not possible based on science, resorts to magic as the explanation or uses magical or fantasy creatures, then it is fantasy. Thus anything involving witches, unicorns, magic spells, etc, is always considered to be fantasy by the fantasy and science fiction fan communities. I would be hard pressed to come up with a series of books that is more clearly fantasy and clearly not science fiction than Harry Potter. That said, it should be noted that even though they argue about it a lot, no one in the fantasy and sf community really cares and most sf fans enjoy a lot of fantasy books. (The folks who do care are those who insist that only Hard SF qualifies - stories that involve detailed discussion of scientific principles preferably with formulas. The rest of us have a technical term for those folks - idiots.) Now a key characteristic of both good sf stories and good fantasy stories and serves to distinguish them from all other fiction (westerns, romances, mysteries, speechs by politicians) is the "Sense of Wonder." That sense of getting a glimpse into a wonderfully different world and going "wow." Harry Potter has that to full measure like the best of the genre. I can hear someone out there typing away the Arthur C. Clarke line - any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic. As one of the leading authors of the Hard SF variety who happens to like Fantasy as well, I'm fairly confident that Mr. Clarke said it in a discussion like this one. From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:01:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5741 From: dee_97527 Subject: RE: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5734] RE: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 5:01 pm (ET) I took an honors Human Relations class with multi-culture speciality in junior college. In this class we read and analized several books. One of the books was also being read in an English lit class (one of our class mates was also in that class). The views of the book were about 180 degrees deferent between the two classes. The multi-culture class hated it while the lit class loved it. This is one of the reasons books are analized. Diann From joy0823 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:39:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Welcome Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5742 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Welcome Reply To: [Yahoo! #5717] Welcome Date: 8/4/00 5:39 pm (ET) I'm glad to hear that. I'm also 16, but I was afraid to reveal my age. I really enjoy the discussions in this group, and would hate to be forced to leave. Thanks for being so welcoming! ~Joy~ By: plinsenmayer Date: 8/4/00 2:21 pm Harry_Potter00 -- you are more than welcome here!! We will overlook your chronological deficiency. <g> Insightful commentary is always welcome, regardless of the age of the poster. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: Wildness, silliness and British cooks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5743 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Wildness, silliness and British cooks Date: 8/4/00 5:40 pm (ET) Simon said: <<Are you trying to describe some of my wild speculations Neil...>> Jen said: <<I have a tendency to post silly posts (Neil can corroborate with this statement, I believe)...>> Neil confirms the above: Simon has speculated wildly and Jen has made silly posts and long may they continue to do so. In fact, most of the regular contributors here have been wildly speculative, silly or - 'slap them in irons' - analytical, by turns and no one is likely to put a stop to that. Re: Delia Smith. Perhaps the non-Brits here are scratching their heads over that one, so I'll explain: Delia is one of the richest women in Britain and a best-selling author of cookery books, particularly aimed at teaching the basics and standards of cooking. She's regarded as the doyenne of TV chefs and a major authority on the subject, but I have her down as a patronising, outmoded and simpering ninny. She talks about 'pesto sauce' as if she just discovered it under a rock and explains the most obvious concepts of cookery as if she's addressing imbeciles. Jamie Oliver, who Simon mentioned, is a twenty-something trendy chef who plays the drums in a band and declares everything to be 'pukka'. He rustles up delicious, exciting food with the enthusiasm of a randy retriever and his nickname is 'The Naked Chef' [a reference to his no frills approach not his liability next to frying bacon]. If we're declaring our culinary abilities, I'm not bad in the kitchen either, provided you don't want dead animals on the plate. Okay, I realise this has been analytical, a bit silly and wildly off-topic. Humble apologies. Neil From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:48:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: FAQ Page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5744 From: Scrimers99 Subject: FAQ Page Reply To: [Yahoo! #5743] Wildness, silliness and British cooks Date: 8/4/00 5:48 pm (ET) Sorry I was gone for a week, but am back and have read all the messages. I will volunteer for a small section in the FAQ's. I think we should discuss the FAQ page at our sunday chat so everyone who can come come! Scrimers From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter is NOT science fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5745 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Harry Potter is NOT science fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5740] Harry Potter is NOT science fiction Date: 8/4/00 5:48 pm (ET) "I would be hard pressed to come up with a series of books that is more clearly fantasy and clearly not science fiction than Harry Potter." As many around here know I am a keen reader of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. This is also described as science fiction even though it is very much fantasy. I think that the British retailers usually lump the two catogries together and so HP is under sci-fi and fantasy. This is then shortened to be called sci-fi but infact is covering a much larger range of books. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:54:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Wildness, silliness and British cook Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5746 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Wildness, silliness and British cook Reply To: [Yahoo! #5743] Wildness, silliness and British cooks Date: 8/4/00 5:54 pm (ET) "Simon has speculated wildly and Jen has made silly posts and long may they continue to do so. In fact, most of the regular contributors here have been wildly speculative, silly or - 'slap them in irons' - analytical, by turns and no one is likely to put a stop to that." Yes, must get back to some good speculation. I seem to be talking about only other things at the moment. I must get back on topic. But while I am here... Delia Smith - she also is part owner of Norwich footie club. She just makes it sound that if you do not cook things in the way she says then it will not taste nice. Far to old fashioned for the modern generation like myself. "If we're declaring our culinary abilities, I'm not bad in the kitchen either, provided you don't want dead animals on the plate." I'll stick to cooking my own food then. I am rather partial to some dead animals on my plate. "Okay, I realise this has been analytical, a bit silly and wildly off-topic. Humble apologies." I also apologise, but I have spent the day putting up a fence while sitting in a hedge. I need to be silly occasionally! Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 21:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 17:59:00 -0400 Subject: Wildness, silliness and British cook Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5747 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wildness, silliness and British cook Reply To: [Yahoo! #5746] Re: Wildness, silliness and British cook Date: 8/4/00 5:59 pm (ET) <<I also apologise, but I have spent the day putting up a fence while sitting in a hedge. I need to be silly occasionally!>> As long as you aren't sitting on the fence... Neil From joy0823 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:04:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:04:00 -0400 Subject: FAQ Page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5748 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: FAQ Page Reply To: [Yahoo! #5744] FAQ Page Date: 8/4/00 6:04 pm (ET) What Sunday chat? Sorry, I'm new here. ~Joy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scrimers99" <clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com> To: <joy0823 at earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: FAQ Page [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] >I think we should discuss the FAQ page at our sunday chat so everyone who can come come! > Scrimers From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5749 From: plinsenmayer Subject: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely OT) Date: 8/4/00 6:09 pm (ET) Hi: Well, having just spent 2 weeks in the UK earlier this year, I have a few thoughts. First, you can get the best Indian food in the world in the UK (IMO). We ate Indian food in 3 different cities/villages and truly enjoyed it. We enjoyed all our meals there, much to my husband's surprise since he had some rather bad memories from spending 6 mths in London in the mid 1980s. I do have to wonder about this potato fetish that Brits have though. <g> We were honestly served french fries with pizza -- our first lunch in London when we were jet-lagged beyond belief but making ourselves stay awake. I don't think we had a single meal whilst there that did not include potatoes, no matter how unlikely it was to pair potatoes with whatever we'd ordered. Had lots of fried potatoes with a Cornish pasty (which, I might add, was stuffed with potatoes). Anyway -- I'm chiming in to defend British cooking. Admittedly, we did mainly eat ethnic foods though . . . . <g> I've actually grown quite fond of Harry's favorite dessert -- treacle pudding. I rushed out & purchased a pudding mold -- they're wonderful. Well, the first one was made actually with treacle & wasn't nearly as good as the subsequent ones made with golden syrup. Silly me -- I thought treacle pudding should have some treacle. :--) Okay -- that's my silly post for the day! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: HP -- Genre? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5750 From: plinsenmayer Subject: HP -- Genre? Date: 8/4/00 6:25 pm (ET) Hi -- Danemead -- I like your point about the books being somewhat in the style of the great Agatha Christie mysteries. I had not thought of that, but, of course, you're quite right (IMO). I love Agatha Christie. Silly sidenote -- my husband is petrified of flying. I bought us each an Agatha Christie novel for a flight to Mexico at one point -- not paying any attention to the titles, I handed him one of them. "Death in the Clouds." He looked at me and said "You've got to be joking. You did *not* just hand me this." ROFL. Penny (largely another silly post -- sorry) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:33:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: internal pics : was lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5751 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: internal pics : was lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5730] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 6:33 pm (ET) >I very much enjoy reading the Harry Potter books and the only pictures I have ever found are on the front and back covers. The US editions have chapter header mini-illustrations that remind me somewhat of the same sort of illustrations in the Narnia books. From tinkerbelle12877 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:35:00 2000 From: tinkerbelle12877 at yahoo.com (tinkerbelle12877) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:35:00 -0400 Subject: patrick stewart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5752 From: tinkerbelle12877 Subject: patrick stewart Date: 8/4/00 6:35 pm (ET) Hi, this is probally old news, but I havn't had a chance to go through all the post yet and i'm new. Anyways, I just read a magazine that said Patrick Stewarts rep ar in preliminary talks for him to star in a movie based on J.K. Rowlings bestselling novels. Not sure who they are planning on casing him as. sorry if its old new. Shelly T From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:39:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Subject: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5753 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Reply To: [Yahoo! #5731] Re: National stereotypes was Volemort ca Date: 8/4/00 6:39 pm (ET) >>"Hell is ... the cooks are British" > I find this insulting but probably will just >decide to laugh it off. That's why it is about stereotypes but also why I said it insulted everybody equally, so was probably safe to post. Not only that, it is a rather old joke; so quite subject to change. But then wasn't it in, say Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the Fenchmen were complaining about all that heavy English food? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 22:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: patrick stewart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5754 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: patrick stewart Reply To: [Yahoo! #5752] patrick stewart Date: 8/4/00 6:48 pm (ET) <<Anyways, I just read a magazine that said Patrick Stewarts rep ar in preliminary talks for him to star in a movie based on J.K. Rowlings bestselling novels.>> He's one of the names that's been muttered as a potential Albus Dumbledore; I can't imagine him playing anyone else. If he gets the part, I'll be happy - I think he'd be great in that role. Neil From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:00:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: All star casting..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5755 From: anglinsbees Subject: All star casting..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5710] Re: robin williams as dumbledore Date: 8/4/00 7:00 pm (ET) voicelady_2000 wrote: >Nah, Robin Williams, if we're casting Americans >at all, should be Peeves. Nah- If anyone is Peeves, it is Jim Carrey- the man is a living cartoon! He can annoy like no other! Ellen the Beekeeper From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:18:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Culinary / pics / fence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5756 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Culinary / pics / fence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5749] British Culinary Thoughts (Largely OT) Date: 8/4/00 7:18 pm (ET) "Anyway -- I'm chiming in to defend British cooking. Admittedly, we did mainly eat ethnic foods though . . . . <g> " To be honest this is British cooking, or at least the current mix of foods. It has got to the stage where we are sending curry recipes to India! I am not sure I would cook any traditional British food. I just go for what I like to eat. "I've actually grown quite fond of Harry's favorite dessert -- treacle pudding." Not a great fan of such heavy puddings myself. Never go by the name for British food. It is quite often not what it says. Spotted dick for instance! "I do have to wonder about this potato fetish that Brits have though...Had lots of fried potatoes with a Cornish pasty (which, I might add, was stuffed with potatoes)." I am not too sure. Chips with everything is an attitude that many kids develope. It must just be the versatile nature of the potato! I belive that to be traditional to the recipe. The idea being that in the pasty you had a full meat and veg meal with a handy crust by which to hold it, since being down in the mines gives you very dirty hands. "The US editions have chapter header mini-illustrations that remind me somewhat of the same sort of illustrations in the Narnia books" In the British editions there are no chapter pictures. I knew about the American pictures but decided that I would play 'ignorant' to see if I could annoy however it was by reversing his arguement. It seems he ran off before I got a chance to do so! "As long as you aren't sitting on the fence..." Do I ever? Well only when I decide to argue all sides of an arguement and end up losing myself! Simon From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:22:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5757 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Reply To: [Yahoo! #5749] British Culinary Thoughts (Largely OT) Date: 8/4/00 7:22 pm (ET) plinsenmayer (Penny) Wrote: >I've actually grown quite fond of Harry's favorite dessert -- treacle pudding. I rushed out & purchased a pudding mold -- they're wonderful. OOH! Recipie Please! I thought treacle pudding was one of the made-up dishes! What's it like? A heavy bread or Boiled pudding, or more like creme brulee or flan? Please tell! Ellen the Beekeeper Who finds the shift key all too often, and who could use a Yahoo spellchecker..... From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:23:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:23:00 -0400 Subject: HP -- Genre? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5758 From: Danemead Subject: Re: HP -- Genre? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5750] HP -- Genre? Date: 8/4/00 7:23 pm (ET) Penny wrote: >>>I love Agatha Christie. <<<< If you like Agatha, can you remember where my "nom de net" of 'Danemead' comes from? It's a bit of Christie trivia! (LOL... Death in the Clouds -- I get this pain in the back of my neck when I fly... Could it be my broomstick, or the person who's riding behind me?) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:30:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:30:00 -0400 Subject: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5759 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Reply To: [Yahoo! #5757] Re: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Date: 8/4/00 7:30 pm (ET) "I thought treacle pudding was one of the made-up dishes! What's it like? A heavy bread or Boiled pudding, or more like creme brulee or flan?"<br><br>All, or maybe almost all, of the food on the dinner tables has been real. It is the sweets and drinks that seem to be made up.<br><br>Treacle pudding is a combination of syrup and sponge cake (roughly speaking). Sorry do not seem to have a recipe to hand..<br><br>..but the powers of then internet gives us the following link to Steamed Syrup Sponge Pudding which is probably about the right thing!<br><br><a href=http://www.somerfield.co.uk/cookery/cookery18.asp target=new>http://www.somerfield.co.uk/cookery/cookery18.asp</a><br><br>S imon<br><br>PS: Somerfield is a UK supermarket - so ignore anything that says to use their products! From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:44:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:44:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5760 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5720] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 7:44 pm (ET) <nasty response> <use of Shift Key> Dogspoon - why exactly are you here? If this was Usenet I would call you a troll, you damn troll... By the way, I am starting my A levels in a month, so I suppose I am a college kid, cool huh? Superstitions read too much into everyday life - but if you look at them closely, they really are interesting. Who are you, and that Brian - to tell us what we should ans shouldn't discuss? As for angry letters - what EXACTLY were you hoping for? You didn't exactly come in and say "IMHO, maybe there isn't as much symbolism as you'd like to think". You said - "Stop discussing this and get a life". AND - as for pictures v. no pictures. My copy has none, and my friends has illustrations. Mwhahah. I didn't realise it was so simple, I'm going to stop discussing literature now, watch old copies of Friends, and annoy someone at alt.feminism Sorry PEnny - IGNORAMUS, I believe it was... Nicholas 'thinks too much' Stoker From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:48:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:48:00 -0400 Subject: patrick stewart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5761 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: patrick stewart Reply To: [Yahoo! #5752] patrick stewart Date: 8/4/00 7:48 pm (ET) I didnt hear this! What magazine? Where? When? TELL ME NOW BEFORE I EXPLODE!!!!!!! -- Joywitch, who can usually control herself but not when anyone mentions Patrick Stewart From shellymoos at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:51:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Death Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5762 From: shellymoos Subject: Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/4/00 7:51 pm (ET) Hi guys. Since I don't know if we are still using these I will to be on the safe side. o o o oo o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o Okay here goes. I just finished my reread of GoF and I have a question. When Voldermort is "reviewing" his troops at the end he is discussing his Death Eaters and who has been loyal to him. HE states "One, who I believe has left me forever...he will be killed of course" Now is he talking about Snape, or is it someone else. I figured the one too cowardly to return is Karkaroff, but I wasn't sure about the other one. BTW has anyone read any of Susan Coopers books. I picked up a few the other day when I was at the bookstore. They are part of the Dark is Rising Sequence. So far so good. Anyone else read them? Later Shelly o ` From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 23:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Treacle Pudding Recipe Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5763 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Treacle Pudding Recipe Date: 8/4/00 7:52 pm (ET) Hi: Here it 'tis -- 4 oz softened butter 1/2 cup sugar, plus 2 Tbsp sugar 2 eggs Grated rind of one lemon 1 1/4 cups flour 1 tsp baking powder pinch salt 2 tsp milk 4 Tbsp Golden syrup* 4 Tbsp Golden syrup* 2 Tbsp water Juice of one lemon Preheat oven to 400 degrees (F). Cream butter & sugar in a bowl until soft and fluffy. Add the eggs and the lemon rind. Mix together the flour, baking powder & salt. Fold the flour mixture into the butter mixture. Add the milk. Grease a pudding mold that holds approx. 3 cups and pour 4 Tbsp of Golden Syrup over the bottom. Put the sponge cake mixture batter on top. Cover with a loose-fitting sheet of foil and place in an ovenproof dish or pan in 1 inch of water. Bake for approx. 45 minutes or until the sponge cake has set & the top has turned a light golden color. Turn the pudding onto a serving dish, being sure to scrape out all the syrup at the bottom of the pan. Heat the remaining syrup, water and lemon juice in a double boiler for about 5 minutes. Pour over the pudding and serve. * I found Golden Syrup in a store that imports foodstuffs & gifts from the UK. The closest equivalent in the US if you can't find Golden Syrup is "Light Corn Syrup." It is not exactly a match, but will probably work. Serves == About 6. Penny From tinkerbelle12877 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 01:01:00 2000 From: tinkerbelle12877 at yahoo.com (tinkerbelle12877) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:01:00 -0400 Subject: patrick stewart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5764 From: tinkerbelle12877 Subject: patrick stewart Date: 8/4/00 9:01 pm (ET) I got the info out of my people weekly,(the one with brad and jennifer's wedding on it) it was delivered today. Its on page 49, short little sencte in the Insider. sorry i didn't post it earlier. Shelly T From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 01:48:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: Treacle Pudding Recipe Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5765 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Treacle Pudding Recipe Reply To: [Yahoo! #5763] Treacle Pudding Recipe Date: 8/4/00 9:48 pm (ET) Guess what *my* English classes will be sampling during HP month in November... <g> I'm printing Penny's recipe right now! As an amateur chef (aren't we all?) I've found dishes in just about every culture that I like/dislike. I do know I like some UK desserts--my college roommates and I were addicted to the "Two Fat Ladies" on the Food Network! But many of the British entrees I've heard of sounded, well, interesting. Do you think it's the names of the dishes that are causing the perhaps undeserved reputations? One thing I'll agree with, though. Potatoes are pretty darn versatile. Ebony AKA AngieJ (a working, self-supported graduate student who has no problem being mistaken as a kid) From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 01:49:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: robin williams as dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5766 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: robin williams as dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #5710] Re: robin williams as dumbledore Date: 8/4/00 9:49 pm (ET) Robin Williams IS British! He was born in London! I agree that he would be a great Peeves. My personal favorite Peeves moment is when he is at the Deathday party, tossing peanuts at Moaning Myrtle and shouting "Pimply! Pimply!" :) Have a nice day, Kaitlin From voldemort_nz at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 01:53:00 2000 From: voldemort_nz at yahoo.com (voldemort_nz) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:53:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs Weasley Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5767 From: voldemort_nz Subject: Mrs Weasley Casting Date: 8/4/00 9:53 pm (ET) Does anyone have an idea of who should be cast as Mrs Weasley I was thinking Dawn French but im not really sure. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:01:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: A newstory out of ACC (Thanks Lynx!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5768 From: GypsyCaine Subject: A newstory out of ACC (Thanks Lynx!) Date: 8/4/00 10:01 pm (ET) Greetings all, Here's an interesting article from BBC News... ~Lynx --------------------- Popular TV programmes like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in witchcraft among children, it is claimed. The Pagan Federation, which represents druids and witches, says it has been "swamped" with calls following teenage programmes featuring good witches. Speaking to BBC News Online the Pagan Federation's Steve Paine, the high priest of a coven, said the hit US drama Buffy and the highly successful Harry Potter books were popular amongst practising witches. Harry Potter: Harmless fun? "They are taken as fantasy entertainment. But they do encourage people to think about different forms of spirituality", he said. The Pagan Federation, which deals with about 100 enquiries a month from youngsters who want to become witches, does not allow anyone under the age of 18 to become a member. Most of the enquiries are from 14 to 18 year-olds, and are dealt with "reactively" by a specially-appointed youth officer, an Essex based schoolteacher. The officer seeks parental consent before issuing basic information leaflets and does not proselytise, according to the Federation. "He explains things like the principle ethic of witchcraft - that you should not cause harm to anyone - and that it's not just an easy way to get a new boyfriend", says Pagan Federation media officer Andy Norfolk. 'Dangerous dabbling' But the trend is described as "worrying" by John Buckeridge, editor of monthly Christian magazine Youthwork. Mr Buckeridge said: "The growing number of books and TV shows like Harry Potter and Sabrina the Teenage Witch encourage an interest in magic as harmless fun. "However for some young people it could fuel a fascination that leads to dangerous dabbling with occult powers. So what starts out as spooks and spells can lead to psychological and spiritual damage." But pagans say teenagers have always been fascinated with paganism and the Christian Church has failed to satisfy the demand for spirituality in young people. In Norfolk's view paganism involves "direct communication with the divine" and is not to be confused with cults or devil worship. Arguing that their beliefs should be recognised as a religion, pagans have worked closely with organisations such as the LSE's Inform, set up to provide families with information on cults. http://www.bbc.co.uk is the main web page for BBC News From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:02:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: Oh, btw...... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5769 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Oh, btw...... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5768] A newstory out of ACC (Thanks Lynx!) Date: 8/4/00 10:02 pm (ET) Grinning wickedly, I look at the table near my computer, and feel like dancing, or sending my son to bed (where he should be anyway, but he got a video that he's watching (Singalong with Tigger)).... 734 pages of pleasure sits, waiting... From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:06:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5770 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5719] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 10:06 pm (ET) Yes, a rhino is sometimes just a rhino, but it could also be a meaningful symbol. The placement of "little" things such as words, characters or events can represent important things from the life and times of the author. In the book "El Ingenioso Hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha" by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, even the tiniest things are representative of Cervantes' life. My Spanish class spent several weeks discussing the significance of the number "3" in the second half of the book. (It had to do with the author's religion). BTW, in a club with 480 members, a great deal can be said in a short amount of time. :) ~Kaitlin (a college kid who's a semester ahead with a double major) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: All star casting..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5771 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: All star casting..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5755] All star casting..... Date: 8/4/00 10:35 pm (ET) <Nah- If anyone is Peeves, it is Jim Carrey- the man is a living cartoon! He can annoy like no other!>> PERFECT!!!!!! :D From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:39:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: British Culinary Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5772 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: British Culinary Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #5759] Re: British Culinary Thoughts (Largely O Date: 8/4/00 10:39 pm (ET) I was in England earliar this year and I rather enjoyed British food (not to mention that I use British Words, read the British paper and Watch British shows on the TV..) I really like Two Fat Ladies and being the quite the budding chef I have made several dishes only half successfully :-)!! I have made Gingerbread using Molasses instead of Treacle which isn't available. This post is totally off subject but I couldn't help it!! Also-Aren't most British desserts called puddings? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Aside post... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5773 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside post... Date: 8/4/00 10:42 pm (ET) Btw, what is with the Plum Pudding? Every British-based story has the family eating plum pudding at christmas. What is it? And why would you eat something that looked like stuffing for dessert (saw it in the Patrick Stewart Scrooge and it resembled a cross between stuffing and a jello-mold). From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 02:59:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Death Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5774 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Question about Death Eaters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5762] Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/4/00 10:59 pm (ET) > Hi guys. Since I don't know if we are still using these I will to be > on the safe side. o o o oo o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o > Okay here goes. I just finished my reread of GoF and I have a > question. When Voldermort is "reviewing" his troops at the end he is > discussing his Death Eaters and who has been loyal to him. HE states > "One, who I believe has left me forever...he will be killed of course" > Now is he talking about Snape, or is it someone else. I figured the > one too cowardly to return is Karkaroff, but I wasn't sure about the > other one. I jumped to the same conclusion on first reading that section. However, I've switched these two characters around after thinking things over for a while. I bet Karkaroff is the one who will be killed, while Snape is the "coward" who didn't come to the meeting when called. That seems like the sort of logic the Big V might use. Plus, this sort of switch is just the sort of thing I've learned to expect in this series -- things are almost never what they first appear! From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:03:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5775 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5711] lighten up Date: 8/4/00 11:03 pm (ET) Thank You! I've been dying to say that but I was afraid of the backlash! We are supposed to have fun dicussions on the books,but alot of people tend to analyze everything to death. I TOTALLY agree with you. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: Analyzing/Dissecting & Discussing HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5776 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Analyzing/Dissecting & Discussing HP Date: 8/4/00 11:17 pm (ET) Hi: I just want to reiterate that the Founders' Message on the homepage is pretty clear -- our discussions are "in-depth, thought-provoking and fun." Some of the posts will fall under just plain "fun." Others will be "thought-provoking," and maybe not include any real "fun." Others may be "in-depth," and neither "thought-provoking," nor "fun." Others will be some combination thereof. You get the point. If you're not happy with a discussion thread, the solution is very simple. You have several options: (a) ignore (or delete if you have email option) messages when the subject heading or first few lines leads you to believe you're not going to enjoy the post, (b) post a new thread that you hope will kill the one that's making you crazy, or (c) leave the club. Personally, I'd be happy to never see another "casting" post (I nearly always delete them). But, that's a topic that some of our members enjoy. More power to them. Me -- I go for the really analytical insightful posts regarding the intricacies of the books. Anything HP-related is fair game on this Board, and I am a very strong proponent of lively, spirited debates. But, I am not in favor of anyone attempting to squelch discussions on the grounds that it goes "overboard." My 2 galleons for the evening -- Penny (one of the "List-Moms") From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Analyzing/Dissecting & Discussing HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5777 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Analyzing/Dissecting & Discussing HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5776] Analyzing/Dissecting & Discussing HP Date: 8/4/00 11:19 pm (ET) <<Personally, I'd be happy to never see another "casting" post >> aw, Penny. I thought you were one of us! I love the speculation, for I know that I am not going to be right, so I should get my 33 cents (stamp?) in now! LOL! Dee From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:19:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5778 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5730] Re: lighten up Date: 8/4/00 11:19 pm (ET) Everyone is being pretty brutal,I feel that this person simply expressed his opinion,and everyone jumped on him!Sometimes the discussions are a bit more like class. Intelligence is a great gift,but sometimes it's great to just let down your hair and have fun! I dared to disagree with someone here once,and felt like I had been fed to the sharks! I understand his(her?)being upset.Neill was the only one,in fact, who was not nasty about the whole thing. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:23:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5779 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Reply To: [Yahoo! #5732] Re: Basic Plotlines (was Rowling and DWJ Date: 8/4/00 11:23 pm (ET) I think of Harry Potter as more of Fantasy series. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 03:34:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5780 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5737] Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/4/00 11:34 pm (ET) I think he punished Malfoy because he could not get at his father. He was definitely feeling some resentment for all of the wizards that went free,while he felt that he,(and others) proved their loyalty by suffering in Azkaban. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 04:32:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Treacle Pudding Recipe Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5781 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Treacle Pudding Recipe Reply To: [Yahoo! #5763] Treacle Pudding Recipe Date: 8/5/00 12:32 am (ET) I thought treacle was the same as molasses. How come this recipe doesnt have any molasses in it? From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 04:38:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:38:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5782 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5663] Re: Lily's family history Date: 8/5/00 12:38 am (ET) Snape can't be an older brother of Lily's. It is clearly stated by Petunia that Lily was the only "fruitcake" ie magic person, in the family. She goes on about it in every book. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 04:54:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:54:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5783 From: dogspoon Subject: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5775] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 12:54 am (ET) No, thank you. I have always been one to speak my mind. Unfortunately, I have always been one to put my foot in my mouth. I was beginning to wonder if I should have said what I said. Actually it wasn't that bad. Books are not written to be analyzed, they are meant to be read. I'm not saying that analyzing is wrong or useless. If we worried about why a flower grows, it may die before we ever get around to enjoying it's beauty. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 04:59:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:59:00 -0400 Subject: All star casting..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5784 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: All star casting..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5771] Re: All star casting..... Date: 8/5/00 12:59 am (ET) Forget Jim Carrey and ask yourself, "who is the most annoying person in the world?"(besides me). Gilbert Godfrey From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:01:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5785 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5770] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 1:01 am (ET) Quijote was insane. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:04:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:04:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5786 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Reply To: [Yahoo! #5700] Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clothes. Date: 8/5/00 1:04 am (ET) Re: Muggle Clothes You can probably find most anything in Diagon Alley, or perhaps the Alley next door (not Knockburn alley.) However, there are just SO many muggles, I have found it a tad difficult to accept the lack of muggle knowledge. I mean, the Weasleys live in a village that is mostly muggle, and its 1992 when the books begin, so it is clearly modern times. Muggles are everywhere. Even assuming that they get their food by growing it or buying from wizarding vendors, there would have to be SOME interaction with muggles, especially since Mr. Weasley is fascinated by them. Just walking along a village lane or something. However, the lack of knowledge does make for some amusing comments and scenes. Re food. Until GoF it seemed that the food might have been magically generated. It has never been clear where it came from. But Mrs. Weasley was clearly peeling potatos, not creating them magically, so someone has to grow it somehow. Besides, reference is made by Hagrid in 2 about the pumpkins he is growing and the slugs on the school cabbages. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:08:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:08:00 -0400 Subject: Nicholas 'thinks too much' Stoker Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5787 From: dogspoon Subject: Nicholas 'thinks too much' Stoker Reply To: [Yahoo! #5760] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 1:08 am (ET) I never tried to decide what you should or should not discuss. Nevermind, just read my message that i(notice the lowercaseI) will post shortly. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:11:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 Subject: Why???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5788 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Why???? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5706] Why???? Date: 8/5/00 1:11 am (ET) This business of posting without being able to quote the original post is driving me nuts. That said, to put it in a nutshell. Yes, Harry was the one that V. really REALLY wanted to kill. He wanted to kill James, it seems, but the whole goal was to kill Harry, so most of us assume someone foretold something about Harry either just after or just before his birth. He didn't care about Lily except to get to Harry. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:16:00 -0400 Subject: British food - treacle etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5789 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: British food - treacle etc Date: 8/5/00 1:16 am (ET) This is sort of 'on topic' I guess, because some of the British dishes mentioned in the Harry Potter books seem to flummox the non-Brits. Like a lot of British traditions, some of these foods go back a *long* way. Often, the names relate to something that happened centuries ago and we natives don't give them a second thought. 'Pudding' is used to describe desserts in general, but usually the heavy comforting kind, like sponges or suet puddings. Depending on your social background, you might refer to the last course of the meal as 'sweet', 'dessert', 'pudding' or 'afters'. My family talked of 'afters' because we were common, like the Weasleys. 'Plum pudding' [Christmas Pudding] is a rich suet pudding packed full of dried fruits and brandy (usually), which is boiled in a cloth (like most suet-based puddings). It's usually served with brandy butter or cream and set alight at the table. There's a tradition of hiding a sixpence [old coin worth 2.5 pence; known as a tanner] in the pudding - whoever gets the portion with the sixpence gets to make a wish. 'Treacle' is a general term for syrups made as an off-shoot of sugar refining. Golden syrup is a light treacle, molasses is a dark treacle - it depends on the grade or type of sugar in question. If you want something *really* evil, go for black treacle, which looks and tastes like tar. BTW, treacle tart is another popular dessert, which is essentially a mix of syrup and breadcrumbs in a pastry flan case. 'Spotted Dick', for the record, is another suet-based boiled pudding, usually made with currants and served with custard. I believe it was made for one of the Kings Richard and nicknamed after him. Britain has a tradition of using spices (including curry spices) in its cooking, but many Victorian recipes were lost in the first part of the C20, leaving us with a dreadful reputation for gut-busting puddings and 'chips with everything'. Many foreigners identify 'fish and chips' and 'roast beef and yorkshire pudding' as traditional English dishes, but they, in fact, regional. Every part of Britain has a signature dish: In my home town, Wellingborough, it's 'hock'n'doe' - a hock of fatty pork wrapped in suet pastry and baked in the oven. Neil 'Delia Smith' Ward From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:20:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:20:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5790 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5783] I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:20 am (ET) I'm not saying analyzing is bad either. I just sometimes get frustrated because I spend all week in class,(I am also an English major!) and come here for a little enjoyment. I'm not saying the discussions are bad either.Some of the things I read really make me laugh,or give me insight,things I never even considered. I just did'nt want to offend,or hurt anyone by asking if maybe we were a little too extreme in some cases. I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I don't see how voicing yours, is trying to stop discussion.It's just an opinion.Why is everyone so hostile? From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:24:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5791 From: dogspoon Subject: Dogspoon Date: 8/5/00 1:24 am (ET) As many of you know, I have outraged several members of this fine community by criticizing the analyzation overkill that I have witnessed in my brief membership of this club. My intention was not to insult but to bear light upon the fact that in some cases what you see is what you get. I must apologize to anyone that was indeed insulted by my remarks. I must also, however, state my case. In #4, JKR uses an analogy to describe Petunia Dursley's actions. In so many words, she was said to have been looking out the window as if there had been a rhinoceros break-out at the zoo. Someone in this club(which I might add, said that she was not serious) found the hidden meaning of the rhinoceros. Someone analized this particular portion of the book and decided the rhino in question was the same rhino from some play or something. It was an analogy for crying out loud! Using a mouse or a rabbit would not have had the same effect on our imaginations as a rhinoceros. This, and so many other cases like it, is the reason for my "lighten up" message. I do not deny that there are oppertunities in the HP series for in depth discussions and analyzations. I just wanted to enlighten upon everyone the fact that sometimes a rhino is just a rhino and we should indeed respect an appreciate this. As for the many of you who have sent me private and offensive e-mails questioning my intelligence, please keep in mind, sounding intelligent and acting intelligent is no substitute for being intelligent. For those of you who read this far, thank you for hearing me out. Once again I must apologize to anyone I have insulted. I now consider the case dropped and will now begin conversing on more appropriate topics. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:28:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:28:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5792 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Reply To: [Yahoo! #5786] Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Date: 8/5/00 1:28 am (ET) I especially liked when Harry,Ron,and Hermione went to fetch the water and the old wizard was there in the nightgown!That was hilarious! He said he went shopping in a muggle store,I don't know......I always assumed that they had to interact at some time,how then were they waving at Harry from afar in the first book? What would they be doing anywhere near his home if they did not interact at least a little? From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:29:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:29:00 -0400 Subject: guilty? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5793 From: dogspoon Subject: guilty? Date: 8/5/00 1:29 am (ET) There are so many cases in which someone has been accused of and even punished for crimes they did not commit (i.e. Hagrid and Black). Am I the only one that has wondered about truth charms or potions? Even though a summer at the Dursley's makes for a good opening, I sure would like to see HP happy at home for once. Now that I think of it though, maybe the whole Pettigrew, Black, Lupin incident was a big set up to get HP closer to the enemy. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:30:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:30:00 -0400 Subject: Trelawney's prediction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5794 From: dogspoon Subject: Trelawney's prediction Date: 8/5/00 1:30 am (ET) Does anyone know what Trelawney's other successful prediction was. I may have read it and not realized it. If I did, please excuse my ignorance. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:32:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: Def. of D.A. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5795 From: dogspoon Subject: Def. of D.A. Date: 8/5/00 1:32 am (ET) Why do all you fine fans think that Dumbledore will not give Snape the Def. of the D.A. job? From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:33:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5796 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5737] Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/5/00 1:33 am (ET) Spoiler space 2 2 1 2 3 3 3 pt4ever listed a number of theories on why fake moody turned Draco into a bouncing ferret. I think it is a combination of several of them. At the "great ending exposition" he did seem genuinely angry at any DE who was living among other wizards. He seemed to greatly dislike their hyposcrisy and the fact that they had abandoned Lord V, so he may have been punishing Draco for Lucious' failings. He also might simply have enjoyed the feeling of power that gave him and Draco was one of the first excuses he had to use his magic in quite a while. But, IMO, he also did it because it was something that the real Mad-Eye Moody would have done. It would seem to me that if you are impersonating a person, eventually you become so enmeshed in the "character" that you literally do things that he would do without thinking a great deal about it. Now that wouldn't extend to Crouch leaving V.'s side, but still, to a certain extent he "became" Moody, which does explain some of the seemingly contradictory things he did, such as teach the kids how to withstand the dark arts. If Dumbledore had requested that the young wizards be taught the defenses to the curses, that would explain "Moody" teaching them, but it does NOT explain why "Moody" spent so much time drilling them into Harry's mind. Maybe Barty Crouch, Jr. was somewhat schizo-phrenic in his mind, and this came out by teaching the classes how to defend themselves well. Vicki From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:33:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: Why???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5797 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Why???? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5788] Re: Why???? Date: 8/5/00 1:33 am (ET) >>>>Yes, Harry was the one that V. really REALLY wanted to kill. He wanted to kill James, it seems, but the whole goal was to kill Harry, so most of us assume someone foretold something about Harry either just after or just before his birth.<<<< Perhaps this was Professor Trelawney's first accurate prediction (Voldemort's return was her second). I've been thinking a lot about Trelawney. JKR seems to have quite a contempt for divination in all forms, and uses it to make fun of Trelawney and her classes. But Trelawney is the female Professor that we know best, or at least we THINK we know her. She seems to have more of a presence even than McGonnagal at times. Just WHO OR WHAT IS IT that took over her body in PoA and pronounced the second prophecy that came true? It had to come from somewhere, since it was obviously a completely different thing than her usual vapors in class. I'm keeping my Magic Eye on that woman. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5798 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5790] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:33 am (ET) << Why is everyone so hostile? >> "Do as you would be done by" Dogspoon's first post had a point, but it was begging for some defensive responses, I think. His mistake was in then attacking "college kid" mentality (mainly in response to Ebony's post). That was quite rude, not to mention making a sweeping generalisation about the people here. As I say - do as you would be done by. If you want fun, make fun. If you want analysis, analyse. If you're rude, expect a few brickbats. Let's not get too bogged down in this, eh? Group hug and kiss, everyone? Neil From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:38:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:38:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5799 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5738] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 1:38 am (ET) Re getting an F from a review of slaughterhouse five: this was a major issue with me in high school (and its been awhile since high schoo, believe me) as I was told the same thing on at least two occasions. "sometimes the author does not realize what he is really meaning with his writing. I'm correct and he's wrong." What complete garbage. However, just to stay on topic with Harry Potter, since JKR is pretty close mouthed about it all, we are free to read whatever we want into the books. vicki From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:40:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Subject: friends again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5800 From: msbooktworm Subject: friends again Date: 8/5/00 1:40 am (ET) I hated when Ron and Harry fought in GoF. I don't like to see it in the group either. I am glad everyone is friends again. Group hugs back at ya', Read on... Melissa From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Subject: British food - treacle etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5801 From: Danemead Subject: Re: British food - treacle etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5789] British food - treacle etc Date: 8/5/00 1:43 am (ET) YOW!! No wonder Fleur complained about "ze 'eavy food"... From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:45:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5802 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5798] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:45 am (ET) What got my goat about Ebony's post was the little "I'm an english major" remark. She, in turn, told me that she is a practicing attorney which doesn't make sense now that I think about it. I used to be a college kid and I remember trying to analyze everything and trying to sound like some genius as I did it. All I really said from the get go was lighten up and I got attacked with several, several rude and childish comments and critisisms. This is supposed to be a club for adults, not for people that correct your spelling or grammar, not for those who cannot take critisism From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:47:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:47:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5803 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5798] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:47 am (ET) Thanks Neill. I was wondering, I guess I've been bashed so much, I've been a little insensitive lately. The first time I said something people did not like, I was a little stung too,that's why I identified with what he was saying. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:48:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5804 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5798] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:48 am (ET) OOOpps!!!It's Neil,I'm sorry...I hate when people get my name wrong! From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:51:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:51:00 -0400 Subject: someone foretold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5805 From: dogspoon Subject: someone foretold Reply To: [Yahoo! #5788] Re: Why???? Date: 8/5/00 1:51 am (ET) Now that must be Trelawney's first true prediction. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:51:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:51:00 -0400 Subject: guilty? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5806 From: Danemead Subject: Re: guilty? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5793] guilty? Date: 8/5/00 1:51 am (ET) >>>> I sure would like to see HP happy at home for once. <<<< Wouldn't it be nice if Aunt Petunia & Uncle Vernon would let Harry have a pet DOG? "Hello, I'd like you to meet Snuffles, my godfather." Seriously, I think Harry's home situation has vastly improved since Book 1. He's growing up, and he has a certain leverage of power over them now -- Vernon still shouts, but I think neither Vernon, Petunia, nor Dudley dares to torment Harry like they used to before Hogwarts. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:56:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:56:00 -0400 Subject: guilty? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5807 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: guilty? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5806] Re: guilty? Date: 8/5/00 1:56 am (ET) HA!!That will never happen!Can you even imagine the Dursley's being anything but mean? However.....Harry might be able to scare them into letting Snuffles stay,what comedy that would be! I actually enjoy the scenes at the Dursley's,I think it would take away from the storyline to change his interaction with them. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 05:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 01:59:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5808 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5802] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:59 am (ET) << She, in turn, told me that she is a practicing attorney which doesn't make sense now that I think about it. >> That's because Penny is the attorney, not Ebony. Poor grammar and 'all in lower case' postings are a bit of a sore point in this club. Read back a while and you'll see what I mean. I know you feel that people are picking on you for offering an opinion. It's not what you're saying so much as the way you are saying it. Describing us as "you people" for example. My advice is to read your own posts and see how they sound. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 06:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 02:16:00 -0400 Subject: The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5809 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #5807] Re: guilty? Date: 8/5/00 2:16 am (ET) <<I actually enjoy the scenes at the Dursley's,I think it would take away from the storyline to change his interaction with them. >> I can see them fading into the background in later books. The spell that requires Harry to stay with them every summer may have worked when he was a naive little boy, but he's getting a bit feisty with them now. I can see him challenging that wisdom and staying with the Weasleys instead. That's obviously what the Weasleys want, despite the fact that it puts them at risk. If Harry doesn't stay at the Dursleys I think JKR will still make use of their comic potential by featuring them elsewhere and, as someone said earlier, perhaps Harry will get to save their lives and earn their grudging respect. Neil From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 06:20:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 02:20:00 -0400 Subject: Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5810 From: dogspoon Subject: Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Reply To: [Yahoo! #5808] Re: I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 2:20 am (ET) OK, I didn't realize that I was referring to two different people. When I said "you people", I was just asking for trouble wasn't I. I realized that at that time but I can't stand the way so many college kids think they are so superior because they are in college. What's worse is the fact that one person stated the he or she goes to a university, not a college. Like that's supposed to be special or something. I consider myself to be an intelligent person but i would never imply that I am more intelligent than someone else because of their opinion or because I went to school longer than I had to. College is great, been there and done that. It's nothing to pat yourself on the back about though. I would say that probably 90% of the folk that go to college and see it through long enough to make it worth the while are from wealthy families that made it affordable for them to stay in school. This doesn't make them any smarter than the average Joe that couldn't go, it just means that they got all the right breaks. I don't know why I'm discussing this, it's just going to cause another riot. I was impressed, however, by the passion that everyone showed when I "insulted" them. Speak you minds folks, if you don't no one will. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 06:27:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 02:27:00 -0400 Subject: chat? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5811 From: dogspoon Subject: chat? Date: 8/5/00 2:27 am (ET) does anyone ever go to the cat room? From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 07:21:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 03:21:00 -0400 Subject: Yo! Penny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5812 From: anneinchicago Subject: Yo! Penny Reply To: [Yahoo! #5657] FAQs Date: 8/5/00 3:21 am (ET) I have written privately to both Melanie and yourself volunteering to not only help with the Faq message reading, but offering suggestions as well as volunteering to help create the Faq itself, but have never head back. Am I being snubbed ior is my e-mail wonky? anne in chicago From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 07:41:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 03:41:00 -0400 Subject: Yo! Penny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5813 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Yo! Penny Reply To: [Yahoo! #5812] Yo! Penny Date: 8/5/00 3:41 am (ET) <Am I being snubbed ior is my e-mail wonky?> Thank you for your offer, Anne. I'm afraid I never recevied your e-mail. But then, maybe *my* e-mail is being wonky. I assure you that you are not being snubbed (not deliberately, anyway :)). And yes, your help is definitely appreciated. Thank you again. Melanie aka ravenclawlady From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 07:59:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 03:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5814 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #5809] Re: The Dursleys Date: 8/5/00 3:59 am (ET) I can see him saving their lives,and them respecting him grudgingly,that might work. I'd be satisfied with that. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 08:16:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:16:00 -0400 Subject: FAQ Page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5815 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: FAQ Page Reply To: [Yahoo! #5748] Re: FAQ Page Date: 8/5/00 4:16 am (ET) <<What Sunday chat? Sorry, I'm new here.>> No need to apologize. We hold a chat each Sunday afternoon (or evening to those in the UK). If I'm not mistaken, your profile shows your time zone to be Eastern. So for you, the chat time would be roughly 3-7 PM on Sundays. I say "roughly" because most people who participate, just wander in sometime during that time frame. You can get to the chat room from the club's home page, by clicking on the either of the "chat" links. As far as discussing the FAQs, I was thinking of setting up a separate, private group on Yahoo or eGroups, specifically for the purpose. That way, we're not taking up chat time or space on this message board. What do you guys think? Melanie. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 08:32:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:32:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5816 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: lighten up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5719] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 4:32 am (ET) > sometimes a rhino is a rhino. And is a dog spoon something intended to stir the shit? I've been trying to avoid saying the Seven Forbidden Words on public e-mail like this, but there just is that direct connection between "spoon" and "stir" that isn't betwen "spoon" and "trolling for flames". From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 08:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:56:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5817 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5656] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/5/00 4:56 am (ET) > (snip) When I attended New Hogwarts, which is somewhere (I can't say where) in the U.S., the kids often wore baseball caps instead of their uniform (pointy) hats. However, here at Nouveaubatons the students all wear berets. Is Nouveauxbatons in Quebec or New Orleans? When the USAmerican wizarding schools were set up by British witches in 1956-50, it would make sense for the French wizarding community to have reacted by building a school in Quebec.... but New Orleans seems like such a perfect place, with all those Anne Rice vampires and stuff.... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:00:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:00:00 -0400 Subject: Rhinocerus!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5818 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Rhinocerus!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5695] Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion... Date: 8/5/00 5:00 am (ET) > as though there had been a warning about an escaped rhinoceros." Could this be a literary allusion to Ionesco's _Rhinoceros_? That's what flashed into my head when I read that line, too! If you're crazy, then we are crazy together. Of course, even if JKR had not consciously intended any reference to Ionesco, she might have picked a rhinocerus as her metaphor because the 'rhinocerus' thoughtprints in her mind were still warm from having thought recently of the Ionesco play (or of the rhinocerus at the local zoo, or the word 'rhinocerus' turning up in a Scrabble game). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:04:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:04:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5819 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Reply To: [Yahoo! #5700] Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clothes. Date: 8/5/00 5:04 am (ET) > My only question would be- if so then where do they get the Muggle clothes. If they can't get their act together to first change their money to Muggle money at that place in Diagon Alley and then go to a Muggle store, I bet there are people who go buy things in Muggle stores or maybe even Muggle wholesale and then sell them at a mark-up to wizarding folk who don't trust their Muggle shopping ability. > Mr Weasley was confused when he had to pay the man in Pounds and not Galleons Is it only Americans who get terribly confused when dealing with foreign money? As a USAMerican, I've been to Canada a couple of times, and even tho' their money is dollars of 100 cents, I get sufficiently confused by it that I just proffer my credit card. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:09:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5820 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5733] Re: Chapter 4 (gof spoilers) discussion. Date: 8/5/00 5:09 am (ET) > Ionesco - who? Eugene Ionesco. Invented Theater of the Absurd, in which the actors say strange and irrelevant things that are in the script. It is said that he got that idea from the stupid sample dialogues in the textbook from which he learned English. The Rhinocerus is his play about a French town in which all the people turn (almost gradually) into rhinoceri (metaphor for Nazis) except for one man. When he is the last human left, I believe the rhinoceri trample him to death. There was a movie of it. I am sure that, like most non-HP questions that come up (e.g. recipe for spotted dick, what does 'truncate' means, etc), further information could be found by Web searching. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:16:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Death Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5821 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Question about Death Eaters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5762] Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/5/00 5:16 am (ET) >Hi guys. Since I don't know if we are still using these I will to be on the safe side. o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o >When Voldermort is "reviewing" his troops at the end he is discussing his Death Eaters and who has been loyal to him. HE states "One, who I believe has left me forever...he will be killed of course" Now is he talking about Snape, or is it someone else. I figured the one too cowardly to return is Karkaroff, but I wasn't sure about the other one. When I finished GoF, I figured that the one who has left him forever 'he will be killed' is Snape, the one too cowardly to return 'he will be punished' is Karkaroff, and the one who is doing Voldemort's work at Hogwart's was Croody/Mouch. But when I first reached that scene, having no clue that Moody wasn't really Moody, I had thought that *SNAPE* might be the one doing V's work at Hogwart's! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:26:00 -0400 Subject: chat? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5822 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: chat? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5811] chat? Date: 8/5/00 5:26 am (ET) > does anyone ever go to the cat room? As already mentioned, there is a chat on Sundays. It's listed in the Club Calendar, but we recently got ourselves totally confused about Daylight Savings Time. However, I feel the need to explain that EVERY room in my apartment is the cat room: when four of them are sleeping on my bed, they send out occasional scouts to check on me at the computer and make sure that I am not cheating on them with the e-cat (Catz product). From l_finder at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 10:48:00 2000 From: l_finder at yahoo.com (l_finder) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 06:48:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5823 From: l_finder Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5737] Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/5/00 6:48 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E "DRACO MALFOY, THE AMAZING BOUNCING FERRET!" ROTFL...I think that would be great. I think it would be neater if Draco became an animagus as a ferret. It would serve him right. lol Linda From l_finder at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 10:56:00 2000 From: l_finder at yahoo.com (l_finder) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 06:56:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Death Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5824 From: l_finder Subject: Re: Question about Death Eaters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5762] Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/5/00 6:56 am (ET) O.K. I'm new to this spoiler space thing so I will borrow from whomever I reply to :) o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o I think you're right on the money. The reason for that is Karkaroff's behavior. He really seems like a coward to me. The way he up and fled seems to me that he's scared. Snape on the other hand seems to be facing this head on regardless of the consequences. As my DH(naraht/Randy) has pointed out to me, Snape never leaves Hogswart. Linda From l_finder at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 11:05:00 2000 From: l_finder at yahoo.com (l_finder) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 07:05:00 -0400 Subject: Def. of D.A. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5825 From: l_finder Subject: Re: Def. of D.A. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5795] Def. of D.A. Date: 8/5/00 7:05 am (ET) Beats me. It may be that Snape likes D.A. a little too much or it could be that Dumbledore thinks that he's too valuable in Potions. Linda From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 12:26:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:26:00 -0400 Subject: Disagreeing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5826 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Disagreeing Date: 8/5/00 8:26 am (ET) Hi: <<<Everyone is being pretty brutal,I feel that this person simply expressed his opinion,and everyone jumped on him! <snip> I understand his(her?)being upset. Neill was the only one,in fact, who was not nasty about the whole thing.>>> I beg to differ. I was not rude with my first message to him in any case. I simply referred him to the Club FAQs page, where it is very explicit that the members of this club often delve into the nitty-gritty details of the books. This club isn't for everyone. But, we're clear about it up front. JoAnna and Ebony were also not at all rude to dogspoon. Dogspoon was, however, at least arguably rude (IMO) to Ebony (and all former & current English majors) with one of his later posts. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 12:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:28:00 -0400 Subject: Treacle Pudding Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5827 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Treacle Pudding Date: 8/5/00 8:28 am (ET) Hi -- Joywitch, that's one of the ironies of Treacle Pudding. It has no treacle! <g> Treacle is molasses, yes. And, when I made it the first time, I used it instead of the Golden Syrup that was listed in the recipe. It was okay as far as I was concerned, but my husband pronounced it "icky." I tried the Golden Syrup the next time around, and we had a winner. I later learned in the UK that in fact most treacle pudding recipes do not use treacle. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 12:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:43:00 -0400 Subject: Rudeness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5828 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Rudeness Date: 8/5/00 8:43 am (ET) Hi: <<<What got my goat about Ebony's post was the little "I'm an english major" remark.>>> Ebony was in no way taunting you (or anyone) with her simple comment that she was an English major. I think she was merely pointing out that being an English major (grad school) & an English teacher explains her propensity to like analysis of the books. <<<She, in turn, told me that she is a practicing attorney which doesn't make sense now that I think about it.>>> No, that was me (Penny) who told you that. I am, however, a former English major. <g> <<<I used to be a college kid and I remember trying to analyze everything and trying to sound like some genius as I did it. All I really said from the get go was lighten up and I got attacked with several, several rude and childish comments and critisisms.>>> Again, Dogspoon, I disagree. Go back & read the messages, starting with your very first post. The tone of your post (as Neil pointed out) was begging for defensive responses. You were very pointed in your remarks about how we were all reading far too much into a childrens' series. And, that's fine Dogspoon. You're entitled to your opinion. My responding post was simply to point you in the direction of the Club FAQs, where it states very explicitly what the Club is about. JoAnna was not rude to you. Ebony was certainly not rude to you. I think someone else posted -- oh yes, Neil. Neil was not rude to you. We all just politely told you that you should feel free to use your delete keys for topics you think are going "overboard." I stand by that recommendation. <<<This is supposed to be a club for adults, not for people that correct your spelling or grammar>>> I do owe Dogspoon an apology. I shouldn't have pointed out his spelling errors in response to his (arguably) rude post to Ebony. Let's get back to regularly-scheduled programming, Harry Potter discussions. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 12:49:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:49:00 -0400 Subject: Volunteers & FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5829 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Volunteers & FAQs Date: 8/5/00 8:49 am (ET) Hi: Anne in Chicago -- Hi! Thank you for volunteering. I've just been so overwhelmed with emails in general the last week that I didn't reply to emails that simply volunteered to help with the FAQs. Sorry. I just wrote down your name & email & moved on. Here are the volunteers as it stands now: Arawa, Ebony, Simon, Sarvalsha, Siriusgeologist, Heidi, Neil, Smitster, Anne in Chicago, Joywitch, Diann, Sam D.D., Gypsycaine & Scrimmers99, me (Penny) and Melanie. The Committee who will take care of the FAQs consists of me, Melanie, Heidi, Neil & Simon. Skimmel is also going to do the "What to Read Next" FAQ. Thanks to everyone! If we could get a few more volunteers, it would lighten the load of the rest of us (hint, hint). Penny From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 13:14:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (yet again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5830 From: sammie_dd Subject: Casting (yet again) Date: 8/5/00 9:14 am (ET) (sorry Penny!) I've been reading all the casting specualtion, and being a film/theatre buff, I'm compelled to add my 2 cents. I have not read mention of one of the greatest British actors- Sir Derek Jacoby. I'm not quite sure what part for, but I'm leaning towards Dumbledore. Many folks are not aware that Sir Derek has a FABULOUS sense of humour. Also, I think his partner, Richard Clifford (played Conrade in the Ken B. "Much Ado...") would be a great Sirius. Tall, dark, and can be menacing when all thin and hairy, yet is very handsome and kind when more cleaned up. Okay- that is more than my 2 pennies, so I'll pass the baton to the next cast speculator. Cheers! Sam D.D. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:21:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5831 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5810] Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Date: 8/5/00 10:21 am (ET) <<. I would say that probably 90% of the folk that go to college and see it through long enough to make it worth the while are from wealthy families that made it affordable for them to stay in school. This doesn't make them any smarter than the average Joe that couldn't go, it just means that they got all the right breaks. I don't know why I'm discussing this, it's just going to cause another riot. I was impressed, however, by the passion that everyone showed when I "insulted" them. Speak you minds folks, if you don't no one will. >> I must comment about this. Many of the folks who I met along the journey of my Associate's Degree were poor folks, dear. Loans, grants, and occasionally scholarships (which were very hard to get!), or a company like Timken (located originally here in Canton, lol!) or Hoover (or just asked for my resume, wish me luck folks! and who also is orginally from here, as is Diebold) who pays your way (Timken helps their employees with something I will try to describe, but as I am not too certain what it is, I might get some terms wrong: They send their apprentices here to get their journeyman's (?). It is orginally a technical school, Stark State is, and it's growing and expanding. That's why I went for my Computer Programming Degree. Oh, and dearie, btw. I took Statistics, Business Administration and Speech this summer. This adds to 11 hours, but I was told by someone reliable at the school that since it (they) were an 8-week course and not the traditional 16, it was worth the courseload of 22 hours. On top of this I am a single mother of a three year old. I am also 31. (See profile for more, if you like) I got straight A's in all three. :) I really don't like the fact that you said doesn't make them smarter than the average Joe--I worked my butt off to be so! (National Phi Theta Kappa, Who's Who Among College Students, and the National Dean's List) I am not saying this to be smug, just to try and prove that college did teach me something, and I tried to learn just like Harry did his fourth year! Grins. Most of my family were telling me I was stupid for going to school--I should have gotten a job and supported the baby instead, and I wanted to show them that not only did I deserve the degree, I was going to do it with honors! Ok. Off my soapbox. It is nice having you in the club, and I don't want to sound like I am attacking you. I am hoping to change your mind about one of your viewpoints, though! :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:24:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: Rhinocerus!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5832 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Rhinocerus!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5818] Re: Rhinocerus!!! Date: 8/5/00 10:24 am (ET) <<as though there had been a warning about an escaped rhinoceros>> My first thought was about the Rhino who ran over James' parents! (James and the Giant Peach From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5833 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5823] Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Date: 8/5/00 10:29 am (ET) A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z It feels soooo good to be able to post a spoiler....Grins... <<"DRACO MALFOY, THE AMAZING BOUNCING FERRET!" ROTFL...I think that would be great. I think it would be neater if Draco became an animagus as a ferret. It would serve him right.>> No, no! Going ferret was meant as a punishment not a pleasure. Animagus is something that I hope Draco never gets, it means he'd have extreme power! That boy deserves stipped of his power for being a bully. I wonder if there is way to strip a natural (pureblood? hates that word and hates Mudblood too!) of their powers? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:33:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Death Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5834 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Question about Death Eaters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5824] Re: Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/5/00 10:33 am (ET) A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q S T U V W X Y Z <<I think you're right on the money. The reason for that is Karkaroff's behavior. He really seems like a coward to me. The way he up and fled seems to me that he's scared. Snape on the other hand seems to be facing this head on regardless of the consequences. As my DH(naraht/Randy) has pointed out to me, Snape never leaves Hogswart. >> To be honest, when I read that comment about Snape at the end, my esteem towards him went up two notches. He knew he'd be facing the students of his former allies (Why does Draco like Snape, he should hate him, and vice versa?) and enemies, and yet the man didn't run--he is very brave. As to why he and James didn't like each other? Perhaps it was over the spy business he did (altho the fact that James didn't like him is pure conjecture, and not in any of the 4 books!) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:40:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5835 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: lighten up? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5785] Re: lighten up Date: 8/5/00 10:40 am (ET) >>>>>>Quijote was insane. Cervantes was not, however. Forgive me, but wasn't the person who mentioned Quijote discussing the significance of small details in the author's life and in the plot of the book? Big difference. Quijote was a fictional character-- invented by Cervantes. I agree that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (rhino or whatever) I also happen to note that in Rowling's work small details often have a great deal of significance later on-- often enough to make it worth discussing. Bear in mind also that much of the discussion in this group is centered upon guessing what will happen next-- to which Rowling has given plenty of clues, often in minutia-- and this kind of a discussion is inevitably going to be centered on the plot, characters and the details, rather than, say, social or structuralist criticism of the book, the impact of contemporary events on the novel, Feminist critique, or the deconstruction of prescientific ways of thinking about magic, though many of us might indulge in that. A lot of us are just here to have fun. Please note I have not read this entire thread or even your original post about the rhino, so I apologize if I am misconstruing anything by stepping into the middle of the discussion like this. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:41:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5836 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Reply To: [Yahoo! #5819] Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Date: 8/5/00 10:41 am (ET) > My only question would be- if so then where do they get the Muggle clothes. Maybe they magic them up. They must all have some alternate clothing, seems I remember from the first book Dumbledore and Mac talking about the fact that many of the others were out in public in their robes vs whatever they would normally wear. That this sure was bringing attention to the magic community. ?? Chat with you all Sunday From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Dang it, spoilers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5837 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Dang it, spoilers.... Date: 8/5/00 10:41 am (ET) I went back to see how my spoilers looked, and realized that some of my main message still got through. I am sorry if I gave anything away like that! I will try to post them with a bit of extra nonsense of the first line, and the first line after the spacing, to allow for that in the future. Oh, and yes, I did finish the GoF! I need sleep now, some idiot phoned this morning at eight, and I picked it up, and after no response, I went click. This makes for a bit of a grumpy Mommy, as Ian might say a bit later. (Wow, though, what a book! It didn't feel like I was reading all those pages!), and I am sorry Dogspoon if I offended you. :) Dee From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:51:00 -0400 Subject: Subject Headings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5838 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Subject Headings Date: 8/5/00 10:51 am (ET) Hi: It occurred to me later this morning that we should probably all make a better effort to be sure that our subject headings match up with what we're going to talk about in the message. It's very easy to keep hitting "Reply" and so what started out as a discussion of Hagrid's wand ends up devolving into casting Hagrid in the movie. Using proper subject headings will have several advantages: 1. *I* can delete all the ones that say "Casting" 2. It keeps the "discussion threads" distinguishable. So, if someone thinks that the whole discussion of the wizarding economy is completely "overboard," they can just delete or skip messages that say "Wizarding Economy" in the subject line. I think it would also be helpful if people could make an effort to keep it largely one subject per message. Yahoo has some space limitations anyway. I know this means more messages, but while I might be very interested in reading someone's theories about wand materials, if it's buried in a message that started out with some casting suggestions, I'll likely have deleted it way before I get to the part about the wand materials. Just a friendly suggestion! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: Spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5839 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Spoilers Date: 8/5/00 10:54 am (ET) Hi -- Since Dee (Gypsycaine) has finished GoF now (yay Dee!!) --- can we discontinue spoilers???? Or, are there others out there who are still working on GoF? If so, that's fine. We can keep using them until September 1st. But, if we could get rid of them now, I for one would be happy. Thoughts? Penny From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 14:55:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5840 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Reply To: [Yahoo! #5810] Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Date: 8/5/00 10:55 am (ET) Sorry - just had to correct a point here - in England, where I think we had our University/College problem, College is usually interpreted as the last two years of high school, otherwise known as A Levels (NEWTS), or Sixth Form. Also, in my part of the country, it can be used for Adult Education, rather than University. Just saying its a different thing in the UK, Dogspoon, not attacking you. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:17:00 -0400 Subject: Draco in GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5841 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Draco in GoF Date: 8/5/00 11:17 am (ET) Hi: Just in case we're still using Spoilers, here's the old spoiler warning and now I'll add this silly spoiler space S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<After I'd finished GoF, though, it made me wonder...did Moody/Crouch punish Draco because (a) he was angry that Lucius Malfoy was living the life of a "respectable" wizard, even though practicing the Dark Arts, and wanted to take it out on his son, (b) because he thought bullying Draco would keep up the charade and futher prove that he was the real Mad-Eye Moody, or (c) he was telling the truth and thought that attacking another wizard while his/her back was turned was a cowardly, scummy thing to do? Perhaps (d) he was just ensuring that Malfoy and his gang would leave Harry alone and not endager Harry's chances of winning the Triwizard Cup?>>> JoAnna -- I think it was a combination of all these things. I think Moody (Crouch-as-Moody) really took on the character of the real Moody as much as possible. He wouldn't want to raise suspicions. He would want to be entirely believable. It must have been quite a feat, since Dumbledore is usually so sharp! And, of course, he did in fact hate Lucius Malfoy and all the other Death Eaters who renounced Voldemort after his downfall and avoided Azkaban. And, maybe he really did think it was *wrong* to attack an opponent when the opponent's back was turned. I believe he must have believed that to be the case, since he reacted so quickly, so instinctively. He probably had it in for Draco a bit anyway, but he jumped in so quickly that I think that Crouch-as-Moody must have had some strong beliefs about the proper sense of fair play in wizarding fights. Many of the dark side do also seem to have this sense of propriety & fair play -- Voldemort demonstrates this when he unties Harry & gives him his wand. He could have just cursed him while he was tied up & unable to defend himself. He also told Harry that Dumbledore would expect him to show proper wizarding manners when dueling. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:20:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: Subject Headings (and references) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5842 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Subject Headings (and references) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5838] Subject Headings Date: 8/5/00 11:20 am (ET) << we should probably all make a better effort to be sure that our subject headings match up with what we're going to talk about in the message.>> I agree. It's also helpful sometimes, when replying to a post, if people copy the relevant part of the message into the top of their reply, so that the posts are self-contained. Someone earlier bemoaned the lack of the original text in the reply mode. All you have to do, though, is 'Ctrl C' [copy] the selected text from the top box and 'Crtl V' [paste] it into the reply box. It's not always necessary, especially if the title is pertinent, but it can help make a point. I'm extremely guilty of making mammoth posts [such as that one on British food] - can any of the e-mail recipients here tell me if the really long posts get chopped off? What's the maximum length? Neil From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:24:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:24:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5843 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #5810] Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Date: 8/5/00 11:24 am (ET) >>> When I said "you people", I was just asking for trouble wasn't I. I realized that at that time but I can't stand the way so many college kids think they are so superior because they are in college. >>> I apologize for bringing this up once again, but I just had to comment: Holy stereotyping, Batman! I realize you didn't say "all" college kids (and I'm grateful for that) but still. I don't think I'm superior to anyone because I'm in college, and I don't know anyone else at my college who thinks so either. In fact, there are a great many people whom I highly respect and admire, even though they have never been to college. My grandfather, for one. Isn't it possible that you're a bit overly sensitive? I'm sorry if you've had a bad experience with some "college kids," but that's no reason to think that most of us are stuck-up snobs! -- JoAnna From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups List to Discuss FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5844 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Egroups List to Discuss FAQs Date: 8/5/00 11:25 am (ET) Hi: Melanie asked <<<As far as discussing the FAQs, I was thinking of setting up a separate,private group on Yahoo or eGroups, specifically for the purpose. That way, we're not taking up chat time or space on this message board. What do you guys think?>>> I think this sounds perfect. Let me know if I can help with setting it up. I did get a call from Yahoo yesterday btw. But, I missed it!!! Aaggggh. She suggested that I email them. I will do that, and if I don't hear from them via email within a few days, I will re-contact them by phone. Penny From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:29:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: My back hurts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5845 From: msbooktworm Subject: My back hurts Reply To: [Yahoo! #5810] Penny is the attorney, not Ebony Date: 8/5/00 11:29 am (ET) Good morning or Good afternoon (depending on where you are geographically), I cannot figure out how to copy, paste, and reply to a specific part of a posting, so bear with me. A few responses here: Penny, I am finished GoF so no spoilers for me anymore. Replying to message 5810: I am 31, a divorced mother of a nine year old (well, she will be tomorrow), everyone say Happy Birthday Kelsey, and three years ago I gave up everything to go back to college. I saved money for years, paid off my car, quit my full-time job and began waiting tables on the week-ends to pay the bills. I am now a Senior, have been on the Dean's List, and the President's List for each and every semester over the last three years. I will graduate next year-Thanks, please, no applause! My friends and family are always asking how do I do it and raise my daughter, who is in a parochial school and Honor Roll student going on four years now? My reply is Just Do It, oh Nike uses that one, don't they? I worked and still work my butt off. I do it for myself and I am now going to give myself the biggest pat on the back that I hope it throws me through the window. Here goes...O.K. I'm up again! I certainly hope that if and when your child/children go to you one day and say "Dad, I am going to college," that your response is "Don't pat yourself on the back about it." Replying to message 5831: Stand up and pat yourself on the back so hard that it leaves a mark. I know all too well what you are going through and just keep going! Thanks for allowing me my Saturday morning rant. My apologies for not being as humorous as Neil. BTW, I hope he isn't still in flames. Read on... Melissa From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:31:00 -0400 Subject: Danemead Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5846 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Danemead Reply To: [Yahoo! #5758] Re: HP -- Genre? Date: 8/5/00 11:31 am (ET) <<If you like Agatha, can you remember where my "nom de net" of 'Danemead' comes from? It's a bit of Christie trivia!>> I'm also a fan of Agatha Christie - another writer accused of being formulaic, but who was more than capable of springing surprises, not least of which her own disappearance. Danemead was Miss Marple's house in St Mary Mead. Do I get a prize? Neil :) From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:47:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (yet again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5847 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting (yet again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5830] Casting (yet again) Date: 8/5/00 11:47 am (ET) I see Derek Jacoby as more of a Cornelius Fudge, IMO. I think Richard Harris or Richard Attenborough would make a better Dumbledore. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: My back hurts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5848 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: My back hurts Reply To: [Yahoo! #5845] My back hurts Date: 8/5/00 11:48 am (ET) Thanks Melissa! That means alot to me, and I have faith you will do great! :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 15:56:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Sketching for HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5849 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Sketching for HP Date: 8/5/00 11:56 am (ET) I am sitting, watching, my son's movie--The Brave Little Toaster to the Rescue--and they showed a picture of the master. Funny, but I looked up at the screen from the kitchen, and gasped. It could have been placed (the pic) beside GoF and the expression on both faces, the glasses, and hair, and everything looked exactly the same. It was amazing. :) Dee From joy0823 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:02:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Why???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5850 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Why???? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5788] Re: Why???? Date: 8/5/00 12:02 pm (ET) I get the posts by e-mail, hit reply, then copy the neatly marked quoted text into the web post. Tedious, but I can't stand not quoting! Is it group policy not to...? ~Joy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "vjmerri" <clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com> To: <joy0823 at earthlink.net> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:11 AM Subject: Re: Why???? [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] > This business of posting without being able to quote the original post is driving me nuts. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:04:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:04:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (Not Really)... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5851 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Casting (Not Really)... Date: 8/5/00 12:04 pm (ET) Is it just me or does anyone else have a hard time thinking of an actor who would be a good Hagrid. I was reading some early posts that suggested Henson Works working on the HP film. I sort of picture him as being a muppet...or maybe the ghost of Christmas present, or- Maybe the Ghost of Christmas Present from the Muppet Christmas Carol??? From joy0823 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:07:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:07:00 -0400 Subject: Def. of D.A. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5852 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Def. of D.A. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5795] Def. of D.A. Date: 8/5/00 12:07 pm (ET) If I was Dumbledore, I wouldn't be sure that I could trust him. As an ex-Death Eater, he might use it as an opportunity to teach Dark Arts instead of how to defend against them. ~Joy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dogspoon" <clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com> To: <joy0823 at earthlink.net> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:32 AM Subject: Def. of D.A. [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] > Why do all you fine fans think that Dumbledore will not give Snape the Def. of the D.A. job? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:16:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:16:00 -0400 Subject: Danemead Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5853 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Danemead Reply To: [Yahoo! #5846] Re: Danemead Date: 8/5/00 12:16 pm (ET) >>>Danemead was Miss Marple's house in St Mary Mead. Do I get a prize? Neil :) <<<< Gosh Neil, I already promised to remember you in my will! Are you going to be a greedy nephew like Dudley? Very well, Auntie Dane slips you another Galleon under the table. Buy some sweets, sweetums! From sweetlovegal at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:32:00 2000 From: sweetlovegal at yahoo.com (sweetlovegal) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: Suitable Actors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5854 From: sweetlovegal Subject: Suitable Actors Date: 8/5/00 12:32 pm (ET) Hiya peeps. My name's Winnie. I hardly post up here as there's too many msgs for me to go through..and not much for me to say. But anyway, I'm not sure whether anyone's familiar with the show the New Adventures of Robin HOod. I'm not sure whether the series is new, or old, or American or English.. i just know coz we get it here .in Malaysia. Anyway there's this guy who plays little John. He's big.. strong.., would make a good Hagrid but maybe not as burly as I've imagined him. But stil he's tall and big. heh. Oh i forgot one small problem,, he's blond. NVm. Erm there's another show, Mystic Knights Of Tir Na Nog? The guy that plays the druid there, can easily qualify to be DUmbledore.. or any old Wizard for that matter. heh. Well just wanted to share my opinion. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:34:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:34:00 -0400 Subject: Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5855 From: jferer Subject: Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5852] Re: Def. of D.A. Date: 8/5/00 12:34 pm (ET) Dumbledore may want to keep Snape away from temptation, just like you might not put a recovering alchoholic in charge of the liquor storeroom. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:37:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Suitable Actors for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5856 From: jferer Subject: Re: Suitable Actors for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #5854] Suitable Actors Date: 8/5/00 12:37 pm (ET) I vaguely remember him.. not a bad idea! If it's the series I'm thinking of it was done in the UK in the '80's. The blond hair can be fixed. MY favorite for Hagrid is Brian Blessed. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:40:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:40:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (yet again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5857 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting (yet again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5847] Re: Casting (yet again) Date: 8/5/00 12:40 pm (ET) I don't see either Harris or Attenborough as Dumbledore, but I don't see Jacoby either, much as I like his work. It'll probably be Sean Connery (who would be great), but nobody seems to like my idea for Dumbledore -- Leonard Nimoy. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:47:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:47:00 -0400 Subject: Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5858 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5855] Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Date: 8/5/00 12:47 pm (ET) <<Dumbledore may want to keep Snape away from temptation, just like you might not put a recovering alchoholic in charge of the liquor storeroom. >> That is exactly what I was thinking. Voldie turned Snape onto the Dark Arts, I assume, and we would assume that he's like that alcoholic! :) Dee From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:52:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: Subject Headings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5859 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Subject Headings Reply To: [Yahoo! #5838] Subject Headings Date: 8/5/00 12:52 pm (ET) <<Using proper subject headings will have several advantages: 1. *I* can delete all the ones that say "Casting" 2. It keeps the "discussion threads" distinguishable. So, if someone thinks that the whole discussion of the wizarding economy is completely "overboard," they can just delete or skip messages that say "Wizarding Economy" in the subject line.>> I agree, and wanted to add a third advantage. When someone starts a discussion, they can more easily tell which replies actually address their original question or comment, and which have sequed into another topic. I remember a couple of times, when I posed a question for discussion. I later went back and found plenty of posts titled "Re: (whatever my original title was)." I quickly went to those posts, eager to see what everyone else had to say on the subject. To my disappointment, only one or two people had actually addressed the original post. The rest were replies to offhand and/or unrelated comments made on *those* replies. Well, I apologize for the long post (which I hope made *some* sense). But, in short, I agree with keeping the subject lines matching the content of the post, and trying to stick with one subject per post. My two sickles, Melanie From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 16:55:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: Food (was Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5860 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Food (was Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5786] Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Date: 8/5/00 12:55 pm (ET) GoF Spoiler Ahead S P O I L E R S P A C E >Re food. Until GoF it seemed that the food might have been magically generated. It has never been clear where it came from. But Mrs. Weasley was clearly peeling potatos, not creating them magically, so someone has to grow it somehow. Besides, reference is made by Hagrid in 2 about the pumpkins he is growing and the slugs on the school cabbage I had been under the impression that the food was magically generated too, especially the food for the meals and feasts at Hogwarts. But, as we saw in GoF, the kitchen house-elves prepare the food and it is only transported to the above tables magically. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:09:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Treacle & the mystique of "pudding" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5861 From: jferer Subject: Re: Treacle & the mystique of "pudding" Reply To: [Yahoo! #5827] Re: Treacle Pudding Date: 8/5/00 1:09 pm (ET) I know British use the word "pudding" for most desserts, but some of the pudding recipes I've seen are, well, not for all tastes. Some of them require A POUND or more of suet [I just had an arterial spasm as I wrote the words]. I hope Madame Pomfrey has a coronary clearing spell. There is a cookbook, "Of Lobscouse and Spotted Dog", written for the fans of Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey/Maturin novels, with some of the most extravagantly over the top horrendous stuff you ever heard of. Read it, it's fun, and in some places the best horror book you've read all year. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:13:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5862 From: davehoz Subject: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 1:13 pm (ET) MINOR SPOILER * * * * * * * * * Does anyone else think that besides giants, snakes and trolls should also be appealed to by Dumbledore, especially the snakes? There seems to be a lot of prejudice against snakes in the Wizarding world, and yet I can't believe they're inherently evil. And what about parselmouths? You know, there was a rumor before Book 4 came out that Harry would be expelled from Hogwarts... Is it possible that now Fudge will push a bill through the ministry barring parselmouths from attending school? Will Dumbledore be forced to kick Harry out? Will he resign as headmaster in protest? Will we get a "Saturday Night Massacre" scenario in which Dumbledore, McGonnegall, and on down the line refuse to expell Harry and are consequently fired, until finally we get Headmaster Snape, who is only too willing to oblige? Will Fudge, shirking the idea of Voldemort coming back, make *Harry* his whipping boy/"wedge issue" instead? Am I too deep in the forests of wild speculation? From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:16:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5863 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5737] Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/5/00 1:16 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >After I'd finished GoF, though, it made me wonder...did Moody/Crouch punish Draco because (a) he was angry that Lucius Malfoy was living the life of a "respectable" wizard, even though practicing the Dark Arts, and wanted to take it out on his son, (b) because he thought bullying Draco would keep up the charade and futher prove that he was the real Mad-Eye Moody, or (c) he was telling the truth and thought that attacking another wizard while his/her back was turned was a cowardly, scummy thing to do? Perhaps (d) he was just ensuring that Malfoy and his gang would leave Harry alone and not endager Harry's chances of winning the Triwizard Cup?< I think that it was a combination of all of those factors, plus, perhaps more importantly, Mooky/Crouch had to win Harry's admiration and trust so that he could help guide him through the Tirwizard Tournament. But it was a really funny scene, wasn't it? From walter_truitt at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:18:00 2000 From: walter_truitt at yahoo.com (walter_truitt) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5864 From: walter_truitt Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5310] Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Date: 8/5/00 1:18 pm (ET) I really think it is interesting. My wife and I have had disagreements on Hermione and Neville. I think it was a big surprise to both of us when we read the pronunciation in this forth book. And then we just went back to our old pronunciations because we didn't remember the proper one. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:23:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - latest evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5865 From: jferer Subject: Re: Hats - latest evidence Reply To: [Yahoo! #5817] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/5/00 1:23 pm (ET) There must be other schools of magic in America dating from long before the '50's. Consider: There is probably one in Massachusetts, near Salem or Marblehead; one in South Carolina near the old Gullah settlements, which were probably heavily magical; and several in the Southwest. Native Americans (very few Muggles among them)may have trained in the apprenticeship model but may now have founded schools. I'm sure you are right about Noveuxbatons in Quebec, and I'm sure the Arcadians founded one in Louisiana somewhere. It may not be right in New Orleans, but instead way out in the bayou... From joy0823 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:25:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5866 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5864] Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Date: 8/5/00 1:25 pm (ET) How do you pronounce Neville? I always assumed it was NEV-ul. ~Joy~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter_truitt" <clubs-mail at yahoo-inc.com> To: <joy0823 at earthlink.net> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) [Yahoo! Clubs: Harry Potter for Grown Ups] > I really think it is interesting. My wife and I have had disagreements on Hermione and Neville. I think it was a big surprise to both of us when we read the pronunciation in this forth book.< From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:27:00 -0400 Subject: What an interesting Screensaver Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5867 From: GypsyCaine Subject: What an interesting Screensaver Date: 8/5/00 1:27 pm (ET) http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/screensaver/index.htm From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:28:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools of Magic. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5868 From: GypsyCaine Subject: American Schools of Magic. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5865] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/5/00 1:28 pm (ET) Contains some information about book 4, mini-spoiler A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z (You did say please use letters, didn't you Simon? Grins) At the "tent-field" there was a representative from Salem, and if I am in my right mind, wasn't that referring to what could have been a school? From walter_truitt at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:31:00 2000 From: walter_truitt at yahoo.com (walter_truitt) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:31:00 -0400 Subject: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5869 From: walter_truitt Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5866] Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Date: 8/5/00 1:31 pm (ET) <<How do you pronounce Neville? I always assumed it was NEV-ul.>> That is the way I say it, but my wife says ne-VIL. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:35:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: I've been dying to say that Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5870 From: jferer Subject: Re: I've been dying to say that Reply To: [Yahoo! #5783] I've been dying to say that Date: 8/5/00 1:35 pm (ET) I believe in talking about the things we enjoy, and a mark of a great work of art is the amount of discussion it can generate. It increases our enjoyment and makes us more sophisticated readers of the next book. The amount of discussion the HP books generate is enormous. Good! Where people go wrong is in all the overprocessing that goes on. English departments are notorious for this. I've attended lectures where the discussions of the 'symbolism' in a literary work had gotten completely out of hand and could not be in any justified by what was down on paper. This happened with Tolkien's works until he stuck his hand in and said it was all rubbish. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:36:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: Neville pronunciation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5871 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Neville pronunciation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5869] Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Date: 8/5/00 1:36 pm (ET) <<That is the way I say it, but my wife says ne-VIL. >> Is your wife French? Neville rhymes with 'level', but I guess French-speakers would emphasise the 'ville' Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: What an interesting Desktop Theme Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5872 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: What an interesting Desktop Theme Reply To: [Yahoo! #5867] What an interesting Screensaver Date: 8/5/00 1:42 pm (ET) (been looking for this? :) http://www.ezthemes.com/downloading.phtml?harrypotter.zip+http://www.ezskins.com /preview.phtml?DesktopThemes+People From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:43:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools of Magic. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5873 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: American Schools of Magic. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5868] American Schools of Magic. Date: 8/5/00 1:43 pm (ET) <<At the "tent-field" there was a representative from Salem, and if I am in my right mind, wasn't that referring to what could have been a school?>> Since the witches by that tent were middle aged, I thought of it as more of a Ladies' Aid type of group. But I still wouldn't be surprised (as a reader suspending disbelief) if there is a school in or near Salem, nor to find that it started with British settlers, rather than Native Americans. Maybe those witches had brought their school-aged children, who were out getting water and looking around (as Harry, Ron and Hermione were doing). Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools of Magic.(aside) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5874 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: American Schools of Magic.(aside) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5873] Re: American Schools of Magic. Date: 8/5/00 1:45 pm (ET) :) All sorts of interesting people (like the nightgown) were! From walter_truitt at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:46:00 2000 From: walter_truitt at yahoo.com (walter_truitt) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Neville pronunciation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5875 From: walter_truitt Subject: Re: Neville pronunciation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5871] Re: Neville pronunciation Date: 8/5/00 1:46 pm (ET) <<That is the way I say it, but my wife says ne-VIL. >> > Is your wife French? Neville rhymes > with 'level', but I guess French-speakers would > emphasise the 'ville' No, we are both very much American. Both sets of parents were all born here. -walter From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:48:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: American Magical Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5876 From: anglinsbees Subject: American Magical Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5865] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/5/00 1:48 pm (ET) I would expect several different "Flavors" of schools in America. First the classic Witch/ wizarding schools based on the European formulae. Probably based in Salem Massechusets, or perhaps in one of the older colonial cities- Philadelphia perhaps? (Wasn't one mentioned in GoF?) Second of course, the Native American based Schools, Hogans or what- have you. Likely to be on some of the larger reservations, and may combine traditions. (Anyone knowing more about Native American history and politics could flesh this out better, I am sure!) The third school that pops into mind is probably in Louisiana somwhere- hidden off in the Bayous somewhere near Bayou St. John. The Marie Lavou Institute for Pan-African spirituality Would combine the teachings brought over from Africa during the diaspora with a bit of the best of the European and Native American traditions. (The diasporic traditions have always borrowed freely from all the cultures they come in contact with.) I can also picture various local schools- similar to state colleges, and perhaps a couple upstart groups catering to ethnic communities. (Ile Orisha in the Miami Cuban community, for example.) Soo Many Possibilities! The American Magical melting pot.... From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 17:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: Food Horrors - Off Topic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5877 From: Danemead Subject: Food Horrors - Off Topic Date: 8/5/00 1:54 pm (ET) I belong to another group (whose archives are unfortunately not open to the public). Earlier this year there was an extended off-topic gross-out contest in which everyone confessed their worst most disgusting favorite food. This was on the honor system -- it had to be something you honestly ate frequently and enjoyed. There are a lot of very warped people on this planet... Personally, I remember as a child liking plain white spaghetti with sugar on top -- I hated spaghetti sauce and always insisted that my mom give me just the noodles. (Makes gillyweed sound appetizing, huh?) From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 18:08:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwort - the Plant Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5878 From: Danemead Subject: Hogwort - the Plant Date: 8/5/00 2:08 pm (ET) In reference to the origin of the name "Hogwarts" someone mentioned that they thought it was a plant. Searching the web, I found a couple of references to various plants called "hogwort" -- ---------------------------- Croton capitatus Common Name: HOGWORT Family: euphorbiaceae ---------------------------- Ragweed (Ambrosia artemisiifolia L.) Common names: Ragweed, common ragweed, short ragweed, hogwort, stammenwort. Habitat: Pastures, stream banks throughout the United States. ---------------------------- There was also something called "beach hogwort", but no description. ---------------------------- From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 18:31:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: Spellcheck (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5879 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Spellcheck (OT) Date: 8/5/00 2:31 pm (ET) I can't find the post requesting a spell-check for Yahoo clubs. I'd love it, as I cringe at the number of typos I've let past (even after proofreading). But after this poem my boyfriend forwarded to me, I wouldn't lean two (um, too) heavily on spell-check. <g> Melanie My Spell Checker I have a spell checker It came with my PC It plane lee marks four my revue Miss steaks aye can knot see Eye ran this poem threw it Your sure real glad two no Its very polished in its own weigh My chequer tolled me sew A cheek or is a blessing It freeze yew lodes of thyme It helps me right awl stiles two reed And aides me when aye rime Now spilling does not phase me It does knot bring a tier My pay purrs awl due glad den With wrapped words fare as hear To rite with care is quite a feet Of witch won should be proud And wee mussed dew the best wee can Sew flaws are knot aloud So ewe can sea why aye dew prays Such soft wear four pea seas And why eye brake in two averse Buy righting want to please Author unknown From sigma94 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 19:46:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5880 From: sigma94 Subject: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/5/00 3:46 pm (ET) Has anyone else noticed that not one thing is ever mentioned about brushing one's teeth or taking a shower, washing their hair? The first time a bath is EVER mentioned is in GofF and I was SO happy Harry finally took a BATH!!! Not to make a joke at the expense of the British, but the not even brushing the teeth? Too much a fulfillment of a stereotype of the British not taking care of them!!!!!! I am BIG into hygiene...Can't imagine why they haven't described the Gryfindor (sp?) bathroom/wash up areas!! Also, i would love to be taken into the other house's common rooms. We were once, but I want to read about the other houses interiors more... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:09:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5881 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Reply To: [Yahoo! #5833] Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Date: 8/5/00 4:09 pm (ET) > [Draco] deserves to be stripped of his powers for being a bully. I wonder if there is way to strip a natural (pureblood? hates that word and hates Mudblood too!) of their powers? Probably there's no way to strip him of his wizarding powers, but he can be stripped of the USE of his powers by breaking his wand. As was done to Hagrid. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: Snape & James (was:Q abtDeath Eaters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5882 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape & James (was:Q abtDeath Eaters Reply To: [Yahoo! #5834] Re: Question about Death Eaters Date: 8/5/00 4:13 pm (ET) > As to why he and James didn't like each other? (snip) altho the fact that James didn't like him is pure conjecture, and not in any of the 4 books! In Book 1, Dumbledore told Harry that Snape and James "did rather detest each other. Not unlike yourself and Mr. [Draco] Malfoy." From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:16:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: I feel I have to repond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5883 From: hert0661 Subject: I feel I have to repond Date: 8/5/00 4:16 pm (ET) I apologise in advance for continuing this deabte, but I feel I have to respond to some comments made against me. I wrote: "No, I am a university student. There is a difference." Dogspoon replied: "What's worse is the fact that one person stated the he or she goes to a university, not a college. Like that's supposed to be special or something. I consider myself to be an intelligent person but i would never imply that I am more intelligent than someone else because of their opinion or because I went to school longer than I had to." I merely pointed out that there is a difference between university and college (at least this is the case in the UK - where I live). I did not in any way indicate that I am better, or more intelligent, than anyone else because I go to one and others may not have done so or go to the other. I find it very interesting that some people think I am more intelligent than them, just because of the current educational establishement I attend. I have spent the last two previous summers working for the same computer company and at first everyone treated me as if I would know everything I needed to. After a while they realised that I may understand mathermatics fairly well, but my knowledge on repairing computers is limited! Dogspoon wrote: "please keep in mind, sounding intelligent and acting intelligent is no substitute for being intelligent" A quote from a book (The Fifth Elephant by Terry Pratchett) I have been reading recently: "...a lot of diplomacy lies in appearing to be a lot more stupid than you are." Maybe I should now take notice of this and shut up or start making stupid comments! Simon From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:18:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:18:00 -0400 Subject: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5884 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Reply To: [Yahoo! #5836] Re: Robes, Hats, Cloaks, and Muggle Clot Date: 8/5/00 4:18 pm (ET) >> My only question would be- if so then where do they get the Muggle clothes. > Maybe they magic them up. They don't magic up their school uniform robes, instead they buy them from Madam Malkin. Madam Malkin and her shop assistants don't even fit the robes by magic (it could look like the measuring tape dancing around in Ollivander's, except that the fabric would stretch or shrink or fold itself up into a hem as the tape touched it). I suspect they don't magic up any of their wizarding clothes. So, if they magic up their Muggle clothes, there must be some metaphysical reason why Muggle clothes are different. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:19:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5885 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Reply To: [Yahoo! #5881] Re: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Date: 8/5/00 4:19 pm (ET) "Probably there's no way to strip him of his wizarding powers, but he can be stripped of the USE of his powers by breaking his wand. As was done to Hagrid." I could not see this happening. Fudge has already shown the large amount of respect he has for Lucius and the Malfoy family. I would expect that while Fudge is still Minister for Magic he has the ultimate say in the breaking of the wands of wizards. Simon From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:30:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Snape - DADA - **SPOILER** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5886 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape - DADA - **SPOILER** Reply To: [Yahoo! #5858] Re: Why doesn't Snape get the DADA job? Date: 8/5/00 4:30 pm (ET) Some people on another Harry Potter e-mail-list said there is no evidence that Snape actually wants the DADA job. They said, only the students have a rumor that Snape wants the DADA job to explain why he hates all the DADA teachers, but no adult and not Snape himself ever SAYS Snape wants the job. Having filled my Spoiler Space, here I can say that in GoF, Sirius told Harry that Snape was an 'unpleasant' and strange little boy, always interested in the Dark Arts, who arrived at his first year of school already knowing more curses than most seventh-years. Which is probably a clue to something. One thought I had is that Snape had a purely intellectual interest in the Dark Arts, which led him to hang out with other people (such as Lucius?) who were interested in the Dark Arts, and he went along with them out of friendship until, too late, he realized that he had accidentally become a Death Eater. Another thought I had is that Snape had been raised by followers of Voldemort to be a Dark Wizard. Could *Snape* be the hypothetical son of V? Then his bad attitude could either be genetic or result from having been raised as a piece of property instead of as an offspring. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:32:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:32:00 -0400 Subject: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5887 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Reply To: [Yahoo! #5885] Re: Draco deserves (was: Who else wants Date: 8/5/00 4:32 pm (ET) > I could not see [Draco's wand being snapped] happening. Fudge has already shown the large amount of respect he has for Lucius and the Malfoy family. I would expect that while Fudge is still Minister for Magic he has the ultimate say in the breaking of the wands of wizards. Not only do I agree with you, I don't believe that being a bully is illegal under wizarding law, let alone punishable by wand-snapping. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:36:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Bad Attitude (was: Snape--DADA Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5888 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape Bad Attitude (was: Snape--DADA Reply To: [Yahoo! #5886] Re: Snape - DADA - **SPOILER** Date: 8/5/00 4:36 pm (ET) > Another thought I had is that Snape had been raised by followers of Voldemort to be a Dark Wizard. (snip) Then his bad attitude could (snip) result from having been raised as a piece of property instead of as an offspring. Which suddenly reminded me of the ever on-going question of how Harry turned out to be such a nice person despite having been raised so abusively and without love. Maybe he wasn't raised without love: no love from the Dursley's, but his late mother's love always surrounded him, and (remember her magic powers) not only protected him from Voldemort, but made him feel hugged when no one else did. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:40:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:40:00 -0400 Subject: Snapes, Trolls and Professormouths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5889 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snapes, Trolls and Professormouths Reply To: [Yahoo! #5862] Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 4:40 pm (ET) > Will we get a "Saturday Night Massacre" scenario in which Dumbledore, McGonnegall, and on down the line refuse to expell Harry and are consequently fired, until finally we get Headmaster Snape, who is only too willing to oblige? I don't know whether Snape would do it or not! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 20:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5890 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Reply To: [Yahoo! #5865] Re: Hats - latest evidence Date: 8/5/00 4:56 pm (ET) > There must be other schools of magic in America dating from long before the '50's. (snip) Native Americans (very few Muggles among them)may have trained in the apprenticeship model but may now have founded schools. You may well be right about the Native Americans -- in my theory, they keep themselves to themselves and so even a knowledgeable American wizard wouldn't know about the Native American wizarding schools. But in my theory: all the African traditions of wizarding are in Africa. The African wizard folk used their magic to avoid being captured by slavers, and -- with the disrespect for Muggles that we have seen so much of in British wizard folk -- felt no need to travel to the New World to help out their Muggle co-racialists. Thus, Afro-Diasporic wizard folk descend from people who were Muggle-born mages in the New World. And the European and Asian traditions of wizarding stayed in Europe and Asia, because wizard folk didn't emigrate to the New World, because they didn't want to do the same thing as a bunch of Muggles, plus they had their magic powers to protect them against religious discrimination, famine, tyrannical aristos, and the other causes that led so many Muggles to emigrate. For example: I think my mother was born in 1922 (anyway, she was 69 when she died, and I could work it backwards to her birth year if I wanted to take the time). She was born in New York City. Suppose her parents had been a witch and a wizard. They wouldn't have known they were magic, wouldn't have had any training in use of magic, wouldn't have wands, wouldn't teach their child to use magic. She would have grown up as a Muggle, never knowing that she was magic, and figuring out for herself how to do a couple of things that she thought were normal abilities that *everyone* is able to do if they just try hard enough. I've thought that they'd be the Charm Charm, which makes all the people to whom you talk like you, and the Spell Spell, which makes her know the correct spelling of every word even if you've never encountered it before. I don't think JKR has the same theory that I do -- she mentioned a wizarding school in Brazil. From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 21:00:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5891 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Dogspoon, gently.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5831] Dogspoon, gently.... Date: 8/5/00 5:00 pm (ET) <<I really don't like the fact that you said doesn't make them smarter than the average Joe--I worked my butt off to be so! (National Phi Theta Kappa, Who's Who Among College Students, and the National Dean's List) >> Way to go Dee!! I was also Phi Theta Kappa at my junior college. PTK hug for you Diann From virginia1941 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 22:00:00 2000 From: virginia1941 at yahoo.com (virginia1941) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Possiblities for Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5893 From: virginia1941 Subject: Possiblities for Hagrid? Date: 8/5/00 6:00 pm (ET) I think the Brian Blessed would make an excellent Hagrid, but so would the actor (name I don't remember) would played Little John in Kevin Costner's "Robin Hood". He certainly was big enough, And the gal who played his wife would make an excellent Madam Hootch, who no one seems to mention,but she does play a role when Harry learns that he really can ride a broom (and Neville can't) when he recovers Neville's Remembrall from Draco. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 21:03:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5892 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Reply To: [Yahoo! #5862] Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 5:03 pm (ET) >>>>Will Dumbledore be forced to kick Harry out?<<<< Since JKR has said that there will be one book for each year Harry is at Hogwarts, I am assuming that he will indeed make it through all seven years as a student at Hogwarts, since she has promised seven books. (Of course, JKR could be an Evil Empress, plotting to pull the rug out from her trusting followers... Mwuahahahahahaha!) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 22:03:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5894 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5880] WEIRD Observation Date: 8/5/00 6:03 pm (ET) Shouldn't really call this a spoiler, (Very Minor)!!!! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I think that it is like most books, it simply doesn't go into the grooming habits of the characters. It is an assumption that you just have to make. Though I was also suprised that other than Harry using the Prefect bathroom in GoF to figure out the Egg mystery, and H,H,and R using the "Haunted loo in CoS, we really HAVEN'T heard about bathrooms..... From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 22:26:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:26:00 -0400 Subject: lighten up? (mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5895 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: lighten up? (mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5835] Re: lighten up? Date: 8/5/00 6:26 pm (ET) m i n i s p o i l e r Thank you, rainy_lilac. I was the one who posted the Cervantes message. Although Quijote was insane, his story tells us a great deal about the human condition. (I am talking about the actual book, not just "Man of La Mancha.") JKR does that too. Look at the giants and the house-elves. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 22:27:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:27:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups List to Discuss FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5896 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Egroups List to Discuss FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5844] Egroups List to Discuss FAQs Date: 8/5/00 6:27 pm (ET) Portion of original post: [[Melanie asked <<<As far as discussing the FAQs, I was thinking of setting up a separate,private group on Yahoo or eGroups, specifically for the purpose. That way, we're not taking up chat time or space on this message board. What do you guys think?>>>]] I guess my first reaction would be to have this FAQ spin-off group hosted on Yahoo! rather than eGroups (despite the possible merge). But after listing reasons of switching vs. staying, you can see I could be easily converted. My main reasons for STAYING on Yahoo! is that: 1. It's just one place 2. We all know what Yahoo! can or cannot do. 3. The little "who's on-line" thing is handy. 4. We can keep our current aliases 5. The Yahoo! chat interface is rather slick 6. I like Yahoo! 7. Yahoo! is not bloated with images, ads, or graphics which tends to slow things down and present me with garbage that adds nothing but download-idle time. I would support SWITCHIG to eGroups if they: 1. Save all messages like Yahoo! and apparently does not do any house cleaning (like Yahoo!) 2. Has a spell checker. 3. Add reply text when hitting reply. 4. Show a thread (or reply) tree. 5. Are reliable (like Yahoo!--har, har) 6. Has a slicker chat interface 7. Has a slicker on-line message viewer 8. Has a message search function 9. Has on-line disk storage accessable to club members 10. Has a private group with controlled access (like the Yahoo! private club thingy) 11. Provide a better job of timezone issues. 12. Supports HTML formatted posts are allowed. 13. Have a bigger message post window. From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 22:29:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5897 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5880] WEIRD Observation Date: 8/5/00 6:29 pm (ET) Sigma, shame that you,re not BIG into manners really isnt it! I think you owe the Brits on the board an apology. Why would bathing habits be mentioned in the book its a pretty boring pass time really. As someone who has lived on both sides of the Atlantic I can assure you there are plenty of smelly people everywhere, Stereotypes are just that so lets not enforce them please. I refuse to get snipy although its late, im tired and pretty grumpy so lets leave it at that and all be friends. We need to come together and enjoy the books not harp on about some of the things we have been doing. after all this is a board for grown ups. P.S. I,m actually Irish and i dont drink or dance jigs so there. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:04:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: Why???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5898 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Why???? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5797] Re: Why???? Date: 8/5/00 7:04 pm (ET) <Perhaps this was Professor Trelawney's first accurate prediction (Voldemort's return was her second). I've been thinking a lot about Trelawney. Well thanks guys That does sound about right. Although JKR never says why Lord V would go after Harry and his parents, I do like the idea that the only other time Professor Trelawney foretold of sometime that came true would be Harry's bringing the down fall of Lord V. That would be a great reason for him to go after Harry while he was a baby. However, JKR never goes with the typical irony. She always seems to turn the tables on us. Even when I would guess the most ironic thing to happen, she goes one better. When we think it will go one way she flips it all around. I think that GoF is the pivotal book in the series. Form now on, I think we will begin to get all our questions answered. I also believe that she will throw us a few more unexpected turns. YMEK ;-) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:20:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:20:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts Cathedral?? (Movie Locals)... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5899 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Hogwarts Cathedral?? (Movie Locals)... Date: 8/5/00 7:20 pm (ET) I was recently reading on a movie website that in looking for a place to set the movie inquiries were made into possible use of Canterbury Cathedral. While I picture the outside of Hogwarts as an imposing Gothic stucture, Canterbury Cathedral is nothing like that image. Don't worry however, the church turned down the offer because of the stories "pagan theme"... I really DO picture the Great Hall as being rather like the Nave of a cathedral, at least on the same scale, and Canterbury is a very fine example of this. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:22:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Phi Theta Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5900 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Phi Theta Reply To: [Yahoo! #5891] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... Date: 8/5/00 7:22 pm (ET) Thanks Diann! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:23:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:23:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5901 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Reply To: [Yahoo! #5862] Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 7:23 pm (ET) MINOR SPOILER * * * * * * * * * Dave wrote: You know, there was a rumor before Book 4 came out that Harry would be expelled from Hogwarts... Is it possible that now Fudge will push a bill through the ministry barring parselmouths from attending school? Will Dumbledore be forced to kick Harry out? Will he resign as headmaster in protest? Will we get a "Saturday Night Massacre" scenario in which Dumbledore, McGonnegall, and on down the line refuse to expell Harry and are consequently fired, until finally we get Headmaster Snape, who is only too willing to oblige? Will Fudge, shirking the idea of Voldemort coming back, make *Harry* his whipping boy/"wedge issue" instead? Am I too deep in the forests of wild speculation? Actually, I don't think any of this is too farfetched. There is a lot more resentment towards Harry's fame than he seems to realize, I think. And when Dumbledore told all of Hogwarts that Voldemort was Ced's murderer--I personally think that all hell is going to break loose in the magical community in Book 5. And I think that chaos is *exactly* what Voldy wants, don't you? When he actively begins to attempt his takeover again, much of his work will be done for him. Harry *must* watch who he trusts. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:24:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:24:00 -0400 Subject: Trelawney's prediction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5902 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Trelawney's prediction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5794] Trelawney's prediction Date: 8/5/00 7:24 pm (ET) <Does anyone know what Trelawney's other successful prediction was. I may have read it and not realized it. If I did, please excuse my ignorance> I don't think it was every said. But Danemead (one of the members) made a good point. Danemead said maybe Professor Trelawney 1st predicition was Harry being the down fall of Lord V. YMEK From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:36:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: One more British food question.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5903 From: harry_potter00 Subject: One more British food question.... Date: 8/5/00 7:36 pm (ET) I was just wondering if anyone could refer me to a Traditional British cookbook, that could be purchased in the United States or from a bookseller in the UK over the internet. Thanks From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:40:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:40:00 -0400 Subject: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitude) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5904 From: selah_1977 Subject: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitude) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5888] Re: Snape Bad Attitude (was: Snape--DADA Date: 8/5/00 7:40 pm (ET) > > > > > > > > >Catlady wrote: Which suddenly reminded me of the ever on-going question of how Harry turned out to be such a nice person despite having been raised so abusively and without love. Maybe he wasn't raised without love: no love from the Dursley's, but his late mother's love always surrounded him, and (remember her magic powers) not only protected him from Voldemort, but made him feel hugged when no one else did. What I think is that Lily's sacrifice and intense love for her son marked him just as surely as Voldemort's curse did. Heredity does seem to play a role in personality in the books. We've never really *met* them, but from all accounts James and Lily Potter were the kind of people you'd love to have for next door neighbors. And in the Mirror of Erised, none of the Potter ancestors shown seemed to be particularly nasty in disposition. However, I don't think that Harry is necessarily the nicest wizard-in-training walking about, either. Ron may have the quicker temper of the two, but I don't think Harry's one to be trifled with. He was ready to kill Sirius Black before he learned the truth in PoA. And while he was certainly chivalrous in GoF as far as the Triwizard Tournament went, he didn't come off as the sweetest guy at Hogwarts, either. I think that maybe he is beginning to revert back to his former isolation, especially towards the end. He seems to want to fit in and just be a normal kid. In the Muggle world, he was picked on and had no friends. In the wizarding world, he can't get away from his celebrity. I think one of the many effects of his last encounter with Voldemort is that he now realizes that he will *never* be normal. Or maybe it's just more stupid English major speculation. I was flamed on another HP list for not being a feminist, now I have to hear all about how college students and English majors make life miserable for the rest of the universe. What a cyber-day. <g> I'm rather tired of getting heat for responding to not-so-nice posts in an honest, more-nice-than-deserved manner. I didn't become active in HP fandom online to get attacked for who I am, what I do for a living, or what I believe. I'm here to discuss the world of Harry Potter. Actually, I thought that's why we *all* are here. To Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 23:50:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: Trelawney's prediction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5905 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Trelawney's prediction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5902] Re: Trelawney's prediction Date: 8/5/00 7:50 pm (ET) <<<"Danemead said maybe Professor Trelawney 1st predicition was Harry being the down fall of Lord V">>> A lot of the stories from Mythology consist of this type of thing. Prophecy that someone will overthrow someone else, therefore first person is eliminated (but not really), and grows to fufill prediction which they never knew until after...This is a pretty bad summary. We know that V. wanted Harry dead, and that he killed Lily to get to Harry. Therefore we assume that he didn't NEED to kill Lily, unless he just liked killing by then. James on the other hand was killed for- we-know-not-why. (Does this make sense???) What I'm trying to say is that if Trelawny's prediction had to do with V.'s trip to the Potter home that night, then it must of also had some to do with JAMES and w/ Harry... From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 00:03:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:03:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5906 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #5862] Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 8:03 pm (ET) "Will Dumbledore be forced to kick Harry out? Will he resign as headmaster in protest?" In CoS, when Dumbledore is being suspended, Lucius Malfoy says the appointment or suspension of the headteacher is a matter for the governers and not for the ministry. I would extend this to mean that they have the say over who goes to the school and that the ministry is in no position to tell tehm who they can and cannot admit. Take Lupin or Hagrid as examples of Dumbledore letting different typres of people in. Simon From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 00:12:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:12:00 -0400 Subject: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5907 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Reply To: [Yahoo! #5904] Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitude) Date: 8/5/00 8:12 pm (ET) Okay, I don't really think this message requires spoiler space, but let this intro serve the purpose. Just look away now if you don't want to read it. >Which suddenly reminded me of the ever on-going question of how Harry turned out to be such a nice person despite having been raised so abusively and without love. Maybe he wasn't raised without love: no love from the Dursley's, but his late mother's love always surrounded him, and (remember her magic powers) not only protected him from Voldemort, but made him feel hugged when no one else did. Well, this isn't the first time throughout literature that a neglected child has overcome the odds and grown up to become a person of character and compassion. The most famous example would probably be "Cinderella", who grew up with an evil step-family yet was still kind and good. A lot of it has to do with a person's strength of character, regardless of the situation in which they have been placed. -Ashley From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 00:12:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:12:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5908 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5890] Re: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Date: 8/5/00 8:12 pm (ET) Catlady wrote: "But in my theory: all the African traditions of wizarding are in Africa. The African wizard folk used their magic to avoid being captured by slavers, and -- with the disrespect for Muggles that we have seen so much of in British wizard folk -- felt no need to travel to the New World to help out their Muggle co-racialists. Thus, Afro-Diasporic wizard folk descend from people who were Muggle-born mages in the New World." Did you know there is a definite basis for this theory in African American folklore? In our oral tradition, there is talk of the Flying People--as a matter of fact, that particular folktale is the anchor of an award winning children's anthology by Virginia Hamilton, "The People Could Fly". The Muggle explanation that I give my students for the people who flew away from bondage or actually disappeared (think Apparation) is that it describes those who successfully used the Underground Railroad. I also tell them that Af-Am lit is very symbolic--successful survival of the institution of slavery required secrecy and subterfuge. But it's kind of cool to think of it in relation to an HP theory. I also like the idea of the Louisiana schools, and Native American schools--one in Montana, the other somewhere in New Mexico near Roswell. <g> There also must be a Mesoamerican school, too, in Mexico--one that is just as old or older than Hogwarts. First the Toltec Wizards sent their children, then the Mayas--under the Aztecs, the school became entrenched in the Dark Arts (although many fought it). I'm not too sure how the Conquistadors would have effected it (a temporary shutdown?), but it has been up and running during the 20th century. Here's a theory of my own: there have to be magical Spanish and/or Portuguese-speaking schools in the New World. Somehow, the Spanish Inquisition was able to destroy the Iberian school with the aid of a uberwizard like Voldemort. That's why there is Hogwarts, Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang--but no Spanish/Portuguese equivalent. Spanish, Italian, Swiss students attend Beauxbatons. I also speculate that the wizards always knew about the existence of one another worldwide. Imagine a wizard or witch on Leif Ericsson's or Columbus' voyage trying to suppress their yawns. Finally, wouldn't the oldest schools of wizardry be in China and in Egypt? To Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 00:18:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: Trelawney's prediction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5909 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Trelawney's prediction Reply To: [Yahoo! #5905] Re: Trelawney's prediction Date: 8/5/00 8:18 pm (ET) <<<"Danemead said maybe Professor Trelawney 1st predicition was Harry being the down fall of Lord V">>> >>A lot of the stories from Mythology consist of this type of thing. How about this twist? James' *son* will be the downfall of V. No mention of Lily in the prophecy. ==Ebony AKA AngieJ From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 00:36:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:36:00 -0400 Subject: Owl Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5910 From: babynick34 Subject: Owl Post Date: 8/5/00 8:36 pm (ET) Hi all Sorry, this is going to be quite a bit off topic... but I feel that I have to tell someone, and as I consider you lot are sort of family... I hope you don't mind. A sad thing happened while I was working tonight. At around 12.30 GMT-1, I heard strange noices... and soon recognised one of the noices being the hoot of an owl. I went to investigate and heard a sort of wimper - that's the best way I can describe it, followed by little hoots every now and then. After about 10 minutes, it all went quiet. What I think had happened, was that an owl... probably a baby one... had fallen down the chimney - getting stuck at some point, as the sound echoed from the fireplaces. It was so sad to hear the noices of the owl trying to free itself and trying to get attention. I could do nothing to help - not my house, no idea how to access the chimney, could not do anything from the fireplaces. As time went on, the noices got quieter and with longer gaps between the hoots... by ten minutes it had stopped altogether. I don't know why this event has made me feel sad. It's never happened before so I don't know how I would have reacted if I had not read the Harry Potter books... but since I have read the books, and fallen in love with owls, this event has touched a raw nerve. One way of looking at it I suppose is that the only thing we know for certain will happen in our or a living creatures life is... death. One day we all die, though not all of us stuck in a chimney. Sorry for the sad tale, but I just had to share with someone... and it was sort of topical. Nick From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 01:03:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: One more British food question.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5911 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: One more British food question.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5903] One more British food question.... Date: 8/5/00 9:03 pm (ET) Hmm... Traditional British cookbook - not sure if there is one really - though Delia Smith has always been a family favourite for some reason http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375500243/dvdfilms You might also like to try a book from a recent UK tv series: Two Fat Ladies This one even has a recipe for Scones on the amazon site: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609603221/dvdfilms Also Great British Cooking might be worth a look: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060974591/dvdfilms And if you want to try some things that could have been made by at Hogwarts, you could try: A little scottish cookbook http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0811816559/dvdfilms Just some suggestions, but not very traditional I'm afraid. Delia Smith is probably as traditional as you'll get. Nick (Neil and other Brits, got any ideas?) From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 01:48:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: One more British food question.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5912 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: One more British food question.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5911] Re: One more British food question.... Date: 8/5/00 9:48 pm (ET) In looking for Treacle recipes, I came across this site for Waitrose Food magazine http://www.wfi-online.com/ The recipes are broken down into areas, with a couple of British (new and traditional, I think) plus Ireland and Scotland. >From the recipes I found for Treacle Tart (not at this site), it appears to be like Southern Pecan Pie. Yummm Diann From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 01:48:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: get sorted! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5913 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: get sorted! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5593] get sorted! Date: 8/5/00 9:48 pm (ET) I took a look at that sorting hat program...pretty interesting. However, if you do not have a Palm Pilot, I recommend that you visit Melanie the Ravenclawlady's website: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady She has her own Sorting Hat there. I tried it and was sorted into Hufflepuff. Enjoy! ~Kaitlin From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 02:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: English Major Speculation is Welcome!Or Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5914 From: plinsenmayer Subject: English Major Speculation is Welcome!Or Date: 8/5/00 10:01 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Or maybe it's just more stupid English major speculation. I was flamed on another HP list for not being a feminist, now I have to hear all about how college students and English majors make life miserable for the rest of the universe. What a cyber-day. <g> >>>> Insightful, well-reasoned analysis like you always post Ebony is *always* welcome here. Don't let the muggles get you down!! As I've been saying since yesterday, the delete keys are available to folks who dislike a topic or discussion thread. There's no need to disparage the level of analysis or opinions of others. <<<I'm rather tired of getting heat for responding to not-so-nice posts in an honest, more-nice-than-deserved manner. I didn't become active in HP fandom online to get attacked for who I am, what I do for a living, or what I believe.>>> I'm tired of the same thing, but I want to emphasize to you that this is really a very new (and hopefully short-lived) phenomenon. I've been on several HP listserves since late January, and there has been no hostility or flaming or arguments or anything of that nature --- it's been sometime in the last couple of weeks (sadly right around the time you joined up, which is, I'm sure, an unfortunate coincidence). I hope you will stick with us. *I* personally will be very upset & despondent if you decide to chuck it all as I agree with virtually everything you say, and you say it so much more effectively than I ever can!!!!. Please, please, please . . . don't leave!!!! <<<I'm here to discuss the world of Harry Potter. Actually, I thought that's why we *all* are here.>>> Me too. That is why we're all here after all. Penny From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 02:21:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5915 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Reply To: [Yahoo! #5862] Snakes, Trolls and Parselmouths Date: 8/5/00 10:21 pm (ET) I think Dumbledore should definitely do something to rid the wizarding world of their stereotypes of Parselmouths, or is it Parseltongue? Someone should definitely point out,that this could be an advantage for the good side. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 02:26:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not quite!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5916 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not quite!) Date: 8/5/00 10:26 pm (ET) I'm rather confused about this but- oh wait I almost forgot... S P O I L E R S P A C E I was rather confused about something- In GoF we learn about Avada Kedavra, for the first time. And even then Harry couldn't have performed the spell, at least according to Moody/Crouch... Now skip back to PoA. When Harry first sees Sirius he wants to kill him, and points his wand at his heart. Of course Harry doesn't kill Sirius but my question is- could he have? I mean if you re-read the passage- Chapter "Cat Rat and Dog"-he certainly seems sirius enough about killing Serious...(pretty bad joke, huh?) BUT back in GoF Moody/Crouch says that any student would be good to give him a nose-bleed, let alone being able kill anyone... From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 02:48:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not qui Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5917 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not qui Reply To: [Yahoo! #5916] Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not quite!) Date: 8/5/00 10:48 pm (ET) There's a couple of possibilities. One, Harry might have though he could do something against Sirius but wouldn't have been able to; two, maybe he could send out some kind of magical energy "punch" that would have stunned or even killed if it hit hard enough. From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 03:12:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:12:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5918 From: jferer Subject: Re: American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5908] Re: American Schools Date: 8/5/00 11:12 pm (ET) Certainly there were many wizards in these cultures, but they may not have had schools. Magical children may have been turned over to the priests/shamans/"medicine men" as apprentices. This would have happened in North America and sub-Saharan Africa pre-colonialization. the first African school in America was probably in one of the Gullah communities, which I always thought were heavily magical. Some of the magical people, especially those who were born here, would have stayed on to identify and save all the other magical children that were born and to help the rest as much as their power allowed. The Underground Railroad probably had magical protection. Yes, the oldest schools of magic would be in Egypt, China, and Japan. From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 03:23:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: Possiblities for Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5919 From: jferer Subject: Re: Possiblities for Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5893] Possiblities for Hagrid? Date: 8/5/00 11:23 pm (ET) The name you're looking for from Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, is Nick Brimble. Please don't be impressed by my film acumen, I went to the Internet Movie Database and looked it up. He'd be good. I don't remember his wife that well. I still like the Brian Blessed idea. Looks like it probably will be Robbie Coltrane, though, and that's OK too. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 03:33:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:33:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5920 From: smitster1 Subject: The Club Index Date: 8/5/00 11:33 pm (ET) To all, Efforts have been doubled, but the task is complete. I've stored the club's messages from 1 through 5899 in a text format. This should be helpful to the volunteers generating the FAQ and for people who just want to search for things. I'll let those interested get more information at the following link: http://members.xoom.com/hpfg In case the Zip (i.e. WinZip) archive program isn't available, I've "posted" the .txt file as well. One of the benifits of indexing the club is, or course, statistics. Here our our top 11 posters (through posts 5899, of course): flying_ford_anglia: 492 plinsenmayer: 371 hert0661: 310 Danemead: 234 voicelady_2000: 196 catlady_de_los_angeles: 191 norevoli: 178 GypsyCaine: 167 rainy_lilac: 167 babynick34: 137 joywitch999: 132 So does anyone have a problem with storing Yahoo! property on the Xoom website? From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 03:45:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:45:00 -0400 Subject: Why did V. go after James & Harry? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5921 From: jferer Subject: Why did V. go after James & Harry? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5898] Re: Why???? Date: 8/5/00 11:45 pm (ET) You are very likely right that Professor Trelawney's prediction concerned the fall of Voldemort. Voldemort went after James and his son, Harry, but would not have bothered killing Lilly if she hadn't gotten in the way. So it was the male line Voldemort was after. Why? And why did Harry's brand new wand shoot out red and gold (Gryffindor colors) sparks in Ollivander's shop? And how did Harry get Godric Gryffindor's sword in the Chamber of Secrets? Because, I believe, Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor, like his father before him. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 03:48:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5922 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5918] Re: American Schools Date: 8/5/00 11:48 pm (ET) <<Yes, the oldest schools of magic would be in Egypt, China, and Japan. >> What about one in Sumar, Babylonia, or Assyria (what is now Iraq)? Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 04:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:24:00 -0400 Subject: Club stats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5923 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Club stats Reply To: [Yahoo! #5920] The Club Index Date: 8/6/00 12:24 am (ET) One of the benifits of indexing the club is, or course, statistics. Here our our top 11 posters (through posts 5899, of course): flying_ford_anglia: 492 plinsenmayer: 371 hert0661: 310 Danemead: 234 voicelady_2000: 196 catlady_de_los_angeles: 191 norevoli: 178 GypsyCaine: 167 rainy_lilac: 167 babynick34: 137 joywitch999: 132 Oh dear. I really should shut up now, shouldn't I? Neil the 'berposter From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 04:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:29:00 -0400 Subject: Owl Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5924 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Owl Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #5910] Owl Post Date: 8/6/00 12:29 am (ET) <<One way of looking at it I suppose is that the only thing we know for certain will happen in our or a living creatures life is... death. One day we all die, though not all of us stuck in a chimney.>> That's a chilling thought, Nick. I'm rather pleased that I am too fat to slide down a chimney, as I would otherwise be bound to meet my maker in this way. I enjoyed the story of the demise of a tiny owl behind your fireplace. Perhaps you should get it out of there, though, the corpse might start smelling. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 04:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Cook books (off-topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5925 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Cook books (off-topic) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5911] Re: One more British food question.... Date: 8/6/00 12:39 am (ET) <<Just some suggestions, but not very traditional I'm afraid. Delia Smith is probably as traditional as you'll get. ... (Neil and other Brits, got any ideas?) >> I've already flamb'd Delia Smith in an earlier post, so I won't go there again. I'm afraid all my cookery books are vegetarian and not very trad, and in any case I don't really use them, I just 'rustle things up'. There's an excellent restaurant in London which has revived long-forgotten English recipes, some of which are quite exotic. I think they produced a cook book as well. I can't remember the name though... leave it with me. Neil (still off-topic and heading for 500) PS - I think there's a bit of a treacle obsession developing in this group. Diann - treacle tart is very much like pecan pie - without the pecans of course. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 04:40:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: Club stats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5926 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Club stats Reply To: [Yahoo! #5923] Re: Club stats Date: 8/6/00 12:40 am (ET) >>>Oh dear. I really should shut up now, shouldn't I? Neil the 'berposter <<<< Well, I'm always entertained by your posts, Neil. We'll only tell you to shut up if you start to get boring! >:P Danemead (#4, but tries hard) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 04:55:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5927 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5880] WEIRD Observation Date: 8/6/00 12:55 am (ET) <<Not to make a joke at the expense of the British, but the not even brushing the teeth?>> [shaking head] I know. I guess us Brits are lucky to have teeth in our heads the way we treat them. The Queen Mother, who turned 100 yesterday, has all her own teeth, by the way, and they look like a row of shelled peanuts. I can now think of hundreds of famous literary works missing pivotal teeth brushing scenes. I guess there's always "The Mill on the Dental Floss' to balance things up. I'm pretty sure people never visited the lavatory in "Wuthering Heights" and it is a flawed work as a result. Maybe that's why they all wore long dresses? I'll have to do some research on this. Neil again From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 05:15:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5928 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5927] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/6/00 1:15 am (ET) >>I can now think of hundreds of famous literary works missing pivotal teeth brushing scenes. I guess there's always "The Mill on the Dental Floss' to balance things up. I'm pretty sure people never visited the lavatory in "Wuthering Heights" and it is a flawed work as a result. Maybe that's why they all wore long dresses? I'll have to do some research on this.<< So *that* is why I couldn't get through the first few chapters. I was wondering why I should have such a hard time with such a "famous" book... Okay, just kidding. I originally had a HUGE discussion (silly, of course) about how we should only consider modern pieces of literature, but then rethought the whole thing in light of the recent "over-analyzing" problem I got myself into this morning. Anyway, thanks for the big laugh. Jen (who is jealous that she didn't even make the top 11 posters. Darnit, what do I have to do to get attention around here???) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 05:20:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:20:00 -0400 Subject: The Philosopher's Stone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5929 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: The Philosopher's Stone Date: 8/6/00 1:20 am (ET) Having almost finished a re-read of PS, I have an observation. Harry is conversing with Quirrel and attempting to lie about what he sees in the Mirror of Erised. He actually sees himself pull the Philosopher's Stone out of his pocket and put it back. Then he feels the stone appear, miraculously, in his pocket. How did the stone get there? Was Harry able to transport the stone to his pocket by mere thought? Was it already there and he noticed only when prompted? Had he learned the trick from David Copperfield? I was listening to the US CD book in fact, and found it a little difficult to overlook the part where Nicolas Flamel is described as the "only known make of the Sorcerer's Stone". There is some mention of alchemy as well, and since this clearly relates to the Philosopher's Stone, it makes a mockery of this editorial change for the US book (especially as it was used in the title!). I know we've said it before, but it is *really* irritating. Neil (hoping to get back on topic now...) From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 06:27:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:27:00 -0400 Subject: The Philosopher's Stone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5930 From: Danemead Subject: Re: The Philosopher's Stone Reply To: [Yahoo! #5929] The Philosopher's Stone Date: 8/6/00 2:27 am (ET) >>>>How did the stone get there? Was Harry able to transport the stone to his pocket by mere thought? Was it already there and he noticed only when prompted? Had he learned the trick from David Copperfield?<<<< What I think: Dumbledore hid the stone, magically concealing it (perhaps 'inside' the mirror) and then fixed it so only a person who didn't want to actual USE the stone would be able to "get" it. When Harry stood at the mirror and wished he could get the stone so Voldemort wouldn't get it, the stone obeyed Dumbledore's spell and transferred itself to Harry's pocket. As for "Philosopher's Stone" vs "Sorcerer's Stone" -- I think it's just an American marketing trick. Kids are far more likely to look at and then purchase a book with the word 'sorceror' in it. If they see the word 'philosopher', the marketing guys figure the kids will run screaming out of the store before they would even touch it. If the marketers wanted to sell to an adult market, they would have called it "Harry Potter and the Naked Red Stone". From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 07:46:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 03:46:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5931 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5908] Re: American Schools Date: 8/6/00 3:46 am (ET) Catlady wrote: "But in my theory: all the African traditions of wizarding are in Africa. The African wizard folk used their magic to avoid being captured by slavers, and -- with the disrespect for Muggles that we have seen so much of in British wizard folk -- felt no need to travel to the New World Ebony AKA AngieJ Replied Did you know there is a definite basis for this theory in African American folklore? (Details of the story of the Flying people followed) I hadn't considered the story of the flying people- I love the Idea of the mahgical folk who were able to "Dissapearing" and separating themselves from the Muggle world at this point. It makes sense- magical folk breaking away from the muggle world and separating their societies at a time of major political unrest or persecution. In the European traditions, the final separation could have happened during the so called "Burning times" I still will support the Idea of an Afro-Diasporic tradition in the Americas tho- because of these actual political happenings. During the time of the Slave Trade, many areas in africa were undergoing huge political upheavals. Localized kingdoms or empires bent on conquest were busy conquoring and wiping out neigboring kingdoms. The losers were captured, and promptly sold to the European Slave traders. These kingdoms had long had a tradition of enslaving conquored enemies, but the presence of the European traders unbalanced the equation. Aquired slaves no longer had to be dealt with locally, they could now be sold at a profit, and disposed of quickly. Because of this, entire cities, entire ethnic sub groups were captured, enslaved, and shipped off to Haiti, Brazil, Cuba, and other New World locales in need of labor. Those sent included people of all social levels and professions- it was an easy way to get rid off political enemies. Because of this, I Imagine many loyal wizarding folk, standing by their people, would be captured, their wands broken, and sent off along with everyone else from their village. Today, in the real life Afro- Diasporic religious traditions, many traditions are better preserved and practised in Brazil, Cuba and America than they are back in Africa, simply because everyone who practised that tradition was captured and shipped off to the New World. Today if you want to study Dillogun (African Seashell Divination) the best teachers are Cubans or Cuban Americans. If you wish to learn the mysteries of Ochosi, or many of the other orishas (Ancestor Spirits/ Guardians/ Guides/ or Saints) most sources will recommend joining a Cuban or Brazilian "House" or "Ile" While the rituals are still practised in Nigeria, only the new world traditions have preserved that "Secrets" intact. Forgive me for simplifying a very complex political and social situation- many books have been written about this tragic era, and the only ones I have studies are about the Yoruba people, and their area of Africa- I don't claim to be an expert, just a student. Ellen the Beekeeper From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 13:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:28:00 -0400 Subject: Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5932 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Club Index Date: 8/6/00 9:28 am (ET) Hi -- Wow!! Thanks Smitster -- that's a handy tool for all of us (and especially for those of us working on the FAQs). Interesting that UberPoster (Neil) posted quite a few more messages than I have AND in considerably less time. The other great thing about this archive is it allows you to figure out when your first post was (mine was message 457, on Feb 8th). Neil's first post was May 26th (#1486). And, that's another interesting thing -- we only had roughly 1500 messages at the end of May, and we're pushing 6000 messages less than 3 months later. Wow! BTW, Jen_P -- I think you should take it as a compliment (and evidence that you have a *life*) that you didn't make the Top 10 Posters List. I'm a little abashed that I'm #2. <g> I'm posting the message assignments for the volunteers by Tuesday. There was at least one volunteer who only had until the end of August to give his/her time. So. . . .we'll trudge ahead with the # of volunteers we have by sometime tomorrow. Penny (still in awe that she's found the time to post that many messages in 6 mths) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 14:21:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: Kitchen Nonsense? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5933 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Kitchen Nonsense? Date: 8/6/00 10:21 am (ET) TIPS FOR A LIFETIME 1) Stuff a miniature marshmallow in the bottom of a sugar cone to prevent ice cream drips. 2) Use a meat baster to "squeeze" your pancake batter onto the hot griddle perfect shaped pancakes every time 3) To keep potatoes from budding, place an apple in the bag with the potatoes. 4) To prevent egg shells from cracking, add a pinch of salt to the water before hard-boiling. 5) Run your hands under cold water before pressing Rice Krispie treats in the pan. The marshmallow won't stick to your fingers. 6) To get the most juice out of fresh lemons, bring them to room temperature & roll them under your palm against the kitchen counter before squeezing. 7) To easily remove burnt-on food from your skillet, simply add a drop or two of dish soap and enough water to cover bottom of pan, and bring to a boil on stovetop -- skillet will be much easier to clean. 8) Spray your Tupperware with nonstick cooking spray before pouring in tomato-based sauces - no more stains. 9) When a cake recipe calls for flouring the baking pan, use a bit of the dry cake mix instead-no white mess on the outside of the cake. 10) If you accidentally over-salt a dish while it's still cooking, drop in a peeled potato -- it absorbs the excess salt for an instant "fix." 11) Wrap celery in aluminum foil when putting in the refrigerator --it will keep for weeks. 12) Place a slice of apple in hardened brown sugar to soften it up. 13) To determine whether an egg is fresh, immerse it in a pan of cool, salted water. If it sinks, it is fresh -- if it rises to the surface, throw it away. 14) Cure for headaches: Take a lime, cut it in half and rub it on your forehead. The throbbing will go away. 15) Don't throw out all that leftover wine: Freeze into ice cubes for future use in casseroles and sauces. 16) Potatoes will take food stains off your fingers. Just slice and rub raw potato on the stains and rinse with water. 17) To get rid of itch from mosquito bite: try applying soap on the area, instant relief. 18) Ants, ants, ants everywhere ... Well, they are said to never cross a chalk line. So get your chalk out and draw line on the floor or wherever ants tend to march -- see for yourself. 19) Use air-freshener to clean mirrors: It does a good job and better still, leaves a lovely smell to the shine. 20) When you get a splinter, reach for the scotch tape before resorting to tweezers or a needle. Simply put the scotch tape over the splinter, then pull it off. Scotch tape removes most splinters painlessly and easily. 21) NOW Look what you can do with Alka-Seltzer: Clean a toilet-drop in two Alka-Seltzer tablets, wait twenty minutes, brush, and flush. The citric acid and effervescent action clean vitreous china. Clean a vase -- to remove a stain from the bottom of a glass vase fill with water and drop in two Alka-Seltzer tablets. Polish jewelry -- drop two Alka-Seltzer tablets into a glass of water and immerse the jewelry for two minutes. Clean a thermos bottle -- fill the bottle with water, drop in four Alka-Seltzer tablets, and let soak for an hour (or longer, if necessary). Unclog a drain -- clear the sink drain by dropping three Alka-Seltzer tablets down the drain followed by a cup of Heinz White Vinegar. Wait a few minutes, then run the hot water. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 14:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: Disappearing Folks.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5934 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Disappearing Folks.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5931] Re: American Schools Date: 8/6/00 10:27 am (ET) Wasn't there, if I recall my history well, a small isle named Roanoke that everyone who lived on it disappeared? Perhaps they all decided to go to school! Bad humor, but it fits Ellen's comments. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 14:40:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: LATIN SEIZURES Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5935 From: GypsyCaine Subject: LATIN SEIZURES Reply To: [Yahoo! #5932] RE: Club Index Date: 8/6/00 10:40 am (ET) LATIN SEIZURES Carpe Diem -- Seize the Day Carpet Diem -- Seize the carpet Carpayment Diem -- Seize the checkbook Carpe Duh -- Seize an idiot Carp Diem -- Fish of the day Crampy Diem -- Seize the Midol Carpe Diet -- Seize the rice cake Carpal Diem -- Seize the knuckles Carpe Dig'Em -- Seize the chips 'n dip Carpe Carp -- Seize the fish Carpe Diem -- complain daily Carpe Per Diem -- seize the check Carpe Canem -- seize the dog Carpe Devo -- seize the record Carpe Calypso -- seize the DAY-O Sharpei Diem -- sieze the wrinkled dog From sigma94 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 15:10:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:10:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5936 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5897] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/6/00 11:10 am (ET) OH MY GAWD! OK, like I said, NOT TO INSULT ANYONE! This is a board to discuss our observations on the book, right?! I NOTICE THAT NO ONE IN THE BOOKS EVER TOOK A BATH OR WASHED UP!! Just my WEIRD observation! If this were a Canadian book, or a Chinese book, I WOULD HAVE NOTICED THE SAME THING!! From sigma94 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 15:14:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5937 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5894] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/6/00 11:14 am (ET) See, isn't that just weird? Here is an example of how a line could have been written to reflect it: "Harry, too exhausted to argue with Ron and Hermione anymore, trudged upstairs to his dormitory room. Why did Sirius Black want to get to him so bad, he thought as he washed the dirt and grime of his Quidditch practice off of his face" See, just a line to interject to let me know that, hey, Harry isn't a stinky kid!!LOL From sigma94 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 15:29:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: Kitchen Nonsense? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5938 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Kitchen Nonsense? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5933] Kitchen Nonsense? Date: 8/6/00 11:29 am (ET) Looks like apples and potatoes are the things to have in the house!!! But apples rule because they can control the potatoes!!!LOL! Sorry, just my weird humor!!:0) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 16:50:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5939 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5897] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/6/00 12:50 pm (ET) > Why would bathing habits be mentioned in the book its a pretty boring pass time really. Bathing MIGHT be boring to read about (not in the mail order catalogs that keep arriving), but I assure you there is NOTHING BORING about soaking in a nice warm tub with bath oil while reading a nice book and drinking a nice cup of orange-spice tea with sherry in it! (Some prefer to skip the tea and just have a glass of sherry, many add candlelight and/or background music.) In an opposite direction, BORING was not the word for trying to take a bath in my old college dorm's bathroom in midwinter when the dorm's heaters had all they could manage to bring the room temperature up to mid-50s (Fahrenheit)! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 16:52:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: Owl Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5940 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Owl Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #5910] Owl Post Date: 8/6/00 12:52 pm (ET) > Sorry, this is going to be quite a bit off topic... but I feel that I have to tell someone, and as I consider you lot are sort of family... I hope you don't mind. Very sad story very beautifully written. (I agree with Neil that the corpse might begin to smell, or might be a blockage in the chimney.) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 16:54:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not qui Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5941 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not qui Reply To: [Yahoo! #5916] Harry the Dark Wizard? (Well not quite!) Date: 8/6/00 12:54 pm (ET) > Now skip back to PoA. When Harry first sees Sirius he wants to kill him, and points his wand at his heart. Of course Harry doesn't kill Sirius but my question is- could he have? I don't know what Harry thought he was planning to do, but I am sure that there are ways to kill people by magic other than using a death curse. For example, to levitate a person to a great height and then let them drop. Or maybe Harry was planning to paralyze Sirius in order to kill him by Muggle technology. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 16:56:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:56:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5942 From: davehoz Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 12:56 pm (ET) I notice that on You-Know-Who's web page (www.realmuggles.com), she now has a picture of "Larry Potter" and he has glasses, and otherwise resembles a certain boy wizard whose name escapes me. Can everyone who has read her books (all three of you) confirm that her character has glasses, or is the Dark Lady just whipping up pictures of Harry look-alikes to try to incriminate Jo? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: He Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5943 From: GypsyCaine Subject: He Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5942] She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 1:04 pm (ET) Here's a mini-spoiler: a b c d e f g (lowercase case letters cause it's a mini-spoiler, lol) In GoF, that twinkling of Dumbledore(and I hear your groans!). Could it be this? Voldemort is able to touch Harry because of Harry's blood. Harry himself, though, is loyal, true, and morally good. Voldie isn't. Isn't there a way that Harry's blood might work on Voldemorts making him into a better person in the end? Just a theory... From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:04:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: JKR on 60 Minutes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5944 From: davehoz Subject: JKR on 60 Minutes Date: 8/6/00 1:04 pm (ET) Did anybody else here see the recent spot on 60 Minutes when Jo showed her own drawings of Harry, et. al.? Does anyone besides me think she should publish them as the "Harry Potter Picture Book" or something? Any other comments on the 60 Minutes spot? Did Snape send a Howler to Leslie Staul for identifying McGonnegal as "the magical Potions master"? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: International (was:American) Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5945 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: International (was:American) Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5922] Re: American Schools Date: 8/6/00 1:06 pm (ET) ><<Yes, the oldest schools of magic would be in Egypt, China, and Japan. >> What about one in Sumar, Babylonia, or Assyria (what is now Iraq)? A very good point. (Altho' I am not convinced that the Sumerian wizarding school of magic started earlier than the Egyptian wizarding school.) Even nowdays, the wizard folk are gradually influenced by their Muggle environment (old Archie speaks ENGLISH not Anglo-Saxon or something) and one imagines that in the past, they were more involved in the Muggle world, holding important jobs like Court Wizard and Local Healer, so they were even more affected by their Muggles. So Sumerian language became a dead language for wizard folk, used only for written texts, at the same time that it did for Muggles, and the Sumerian school's successor Babylonian/Akkadian school was in turn replaced by an Aramaic school. And I suppose that the Aramaic school for many centuries has had most students are Muslims, second most Christians, some Samaritans, Jews, maybe Druze ... but no leftover Sumerians, Babylonians nor even Imperial Romans. It might even have changed its language of instruction to Arabic! Thus, the Aramaic school and the Egyptian school would be intensely similar (the Egyptian school had Coptic for its language of instruction of at one time and perhaps still does). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: Kitchen Nonsense? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5946 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Kitchen Nonsense? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5933] Kitchen Nonsense? Date: 8/6/00 1:07 pm (ET) > 17) To get rid of itch from mosquito bite: try applying soap on the area, instant relief. I've had good success with putting white vinegar on the bite. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:11:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:11:00 -0400 Subject: Cook books (off-topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5947 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Cook books (off-topic) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5925] Re: Cook books (off-topic) Date: 8/6/00 1:11 pm (ET) Thanks everyone!! I'll look for some more cookbooks and maybe order the Delia Smith one. I guess it was pretty American of be to ask for Traditional British Food, as I would be hard pressed to refer you to one book containing Trad. American. And I think you are right about the Treacle thing!! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:19:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: (African-)American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5948 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: (African-)American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5908] Re: American Schools Date: 8/6/00 1:19 pm (ET) > Did you know there is a definite basis for this theory in African American folklore? In our oral tradition, there is talk of the Flying People-- No, I hadn't known. Thank you for telling me. (I hope that modern USA children grow up less ignorant of African American folklore than I did. There's no logical reason that I should have been taught Egyptian and Greek and Roman myths in school but not what exists in my own country.) >There also must be a Mesoamerican school, too, in Mexico--one that is just as old or older than Hogwarts. (snip) I'm not too sure how the Conquistadors would have effected it In my theory, the Conquista cauused it to go secret and either withdraw completely from the Muggle world or remain as a secret observer of Muggles who would secretly help indigenous Muggles when they were in exceptionally bad trouble. > Here's a theory of my own: there have to be magical Spanish and/or Portuguese-speaking schools in the New World. Somehow, the Spanish Inquisition was able to destroy the Iberian school with the aid of a uberwizard like Voldemort. You may be right. I suppose the Dark Wizard was simply trying to destroy the wizarding school and not really caring that the Inquisition was involved. Did the Inquisition know that it was being helped by a Dark Wizard? If so, weren't they scared of him? I don't believe that Iberian wizard folk would have had to flee to the New World from the Inquisition -- they could just hide from the Inquisition -- but I'll accept that they fled to the New World from a Voldemort-type. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:24:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Name of Hogwart's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5949 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Name of Hogwart's Date: 8/6/00 1:24 pm (ET) This is what I wrote in a post to another list: The local village is named Hogsmeade. If the village were there first, there could be some local geographic feature named Hog (maybe a mountain?) and all the nearby places were named after it, Hog-lake and Hog-meadow (meade: my guess) and Hog-valley and Hog-forest. Maybe HoGwaRtS is an acronym for the Founders! Maybe there was another Founder whose names started with T and who was written out of the history books except for that one letter left in the name of the school! Am I typing in my sleep? From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:35:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: One more British food question.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5950 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Re: One more British food question.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5911] Re: One more British food question.... Date: 8/6/00 1:35 pm (ET) If you want a realy TRADITIONAL (sp?) Cook book I'd go with "Mrs Beeton's Cookery & Houshold Management" (it hasnt been out of print 4 100 years :'O ) But you should be able to get a reasent eddition. It contains all the great british recipies. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:41:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5951 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Reply To: [Yahoo! #5890] Re: American Schools (was:Hats - lateste Date: 8/6/00 1:41 pm (ET) <But in my theory: all the African traditions of wizarding are in Africa. The African wizard folk used their magic to avoid being captured by slavers, and -- with the disrespect for Muggles that we have seen so much of in British wizard folk -- felt no need to travel to the New World to help out their Muggle co-racialists. Thus, Afro-Diasporic wizard folk descend from people who were Muggle-born mages in the New World. > I definitely think there would be witches and wizards who for some unfortunate reason became slaves. It has been said that slave catchers wanted the best in Africa. Wizards would fit this bill. Not to mention many slaves upon arrival in the world were said to be witches. Tibia (please excuse my bad spelling) was one of the people accused of being a witch during the Salem witch trails. She was a black slave. There is also Voodoo, Obea, and Sanitaria. All brought over from Africa with the slaves. Many slaves combined their master religions with their own beliefs in order to hide their beliefs. Granted they probably would not have been able to start a school while in slavery. But as witches and wizards they could have escaped and started their own school. I do believe that the West Indian Islands would have older African based schools then would be found in the US. I believe this to be true simply because many slaves escaped and live in the mountains on these islands. (The morons, escape slaves, were known to be on every island. The most successful were in Haiti, Jamaica, and Cuba). All this is just my IMHO. Just a thought. YMEK From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 17:41:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: He Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5952 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: He Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5943] He Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 1:41 pm (ET) SPOILER (not a big one.) ` ` ` ` ` ` . <<<Isn't there a way that Harry's blood might work on Voldemorts making him into a better person in the end?>>> While the gleam in Dumbledore's eyes could mean a lot of things, and the plethora of reasons we presented are probably all wrong, your theory certainly makes sense.... Hmmm- Voldy getting to be better. We might hope for that, though I wouldn't count on him for volunteering to help bathe old and helpless wizards...(though this fit of personal hygiene wouldn't be included in the book, would it?) LOL From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 18:00:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: (African-)American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5953 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: (African-)American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5948] Re: (African-)American Schools Date: 8/6/00 2:00 pm (ET) <<You may be right. I suppose the Dark Wizard was simply trying to destroy the wizarding school and not really caring that the Inquisition was involved. Did the Inquisition know that it was being helped by a Dark Wizard? If so, weren't they scared of him? I don't believe that Iberian wizard folk would have had to flee to the New World from the Inquisition -- they could just hide from the Inquisition -- but I'll accept that they fled to the New World from a Voldemort-type.>> Where did this come from? From which book? From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 18:04:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: (OT) Thanks! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5954 From: selah_1977 Subject: (OT) Thanks! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5952] Re: He Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 2:04 pm (ET) I just wanted to say "thanks" for all those who have made me feel welcome here. The community that is being built here reminds me so much of my favorite KS fandom. In just 2-3 weeks, I've learned so much from you guys... I mean, I read Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass when I was 6--I never knew what "treacle" was until a couple of days ago! Pretty soon, this Anglophobe (I used to think my sisters and roommates were nuts for their obsession with Are You Being Served?) will be a confirmed Anglophile. Actually, due to some of the posts I've read from Nicholas, Neil, Simon, and others, I am looking into taking my summer semester 2001 in London if I can save up enough money. I'm seriously thinking of writing my thesis on a Children's Lit topic, and about two-thirds of my fave children's writers were/are British. An online bud of mine is a native--we're both excited. I just unsubbed temporarily from another HP group that I felt was becoming a complete waste of time. It's nice to know that not all HP fans are flamers. I think I'll be with you guys for a while. <g> Thanks again, Ebony AKA AngieJ<--AngieJ being my calling card on any HP message board, so if you see me, wave! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 18:07:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: (African-)American Schools Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5955 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: (African-)American Schools Reply To: [Yahoo! #5953] Re: (African-)American Schools Date: 8/6/00 2:07 pm (ET) <<You may be right. I suppose the Dark Wizard was simply trying to destroy the wizarding school and not really caring that the Inquisition was involved. Did the Inquisition know that it was being helped by a Dark Wizard? If so, weren't they scared of him? I don't believe that Iberian wizard folk would have had to flee to the New World from the Inquisition -- they could just hide from the Inquisition -- but I'll accept that they fled to the New World from a Voldemort-type.>> >Where did this come from? From which book? Ah, this is all wild speculation. Not as if we have anything better to do, seeing as it's the end of this week's discussion and we won't get Book #5 for another 11 months. Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 18:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Wine Gums Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5956 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Wine Gums Date: 8/6/00 2:21 pm (ET) I found a Web site with a definition of "Wine gums - These are a kind of sweet that are made from the same stuff as Gummi-bears. They are bigger and round and very useful for shutting the kids up for about an hour!" From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 18:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Wine Gums Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5957 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wine Gums Reply To: [Yahoo! #5956] Wine Gums Date: 8/6/00 2:29 pm (ET) <<"Wine gums - These are a kind of sweet that are made from the same stuff as Gummi-bears. They are bigger and round ... >> Not necessarily round actually. They are usually a variety of shapes, based on wine labels - round, diamond, oval and a sort of round-ended bar shape - and with names like "sherry" and "port" embossed on them. They don't contain wine, but children like to pretend they are getting drunk on them. At least, I did. Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 19:11:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5958 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #5920] The Club Index Date: 8/6/00 3:11 pm (ET) <<One of the benifits of indexing the club is, or course, statistics. Here our our top 11 posters (through posts 5899, of course):>> <<flying_ford_anglia: 492 plinsenmayer: 371 hert0661: 310 Danemead: 234 voicelady_2000: 196 catlady_de_los_angeles: 191 norevoli: 178 GypsyCaine: 167 rainy_lilac: 167 babynick34: 137 joywitch999: 132>> I was, at first, a little surprised not to find myself on that list. Then I remembered that I have been posting under two names, ravenclawlady and melaniem68. Just out of curiosity, would those two names, combined, make it to this list? If so, where would I come out? Or, if I may see the file, I can count 'em myself. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program... Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 19:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: Name of Hogwart's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5959 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Name of Hogwart's Reply To: [Yahoo! #5949] Name of Hogwart's Date: 8/6/00 3:34 pm (ET) >>>>Maybe HoGwaRtS is an acronym for the Founders! <<<< Interesting observation! I never noticed that all four of the founders' initials were included in the name. You have an eagle eye, Catlady! From virginia1941 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 21:32:00 2000 From: virginia1941 at yahoo.com (virginia1941) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5960 From: virginia1941 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 5:32 pm (ET) I was watching "Elizabeth" on Showtiime, and noticed someone who really looks like the written description of Dumbledore-Sir Richard Attenbrourgh(sp?). ( Right down to the twinkling blue eyes.) Also for Lucius Malfoy, or Snape, Jeremy Irons or Jim Dale. While Jim Dale is impressive as a comic, he can do some serious bad guy stuff too. There are a number of thorougly nasty, tall, dark and menacing actors about, fortunately. The book seems to require a fair number of them. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 21:49:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: JKR on 60 Minutes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5961 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: JKR on 60 Minutes Reply To: [Yahoo! #5944] JKR on 60 Minutes Date: 8/6/00 5:49 pm (ET) >Did anybody else here see the recent spot on 60 >Minutes when Jo showed her own drawings >of Harry, et. al.? Does anyone besides me think >she should publish them as the "Harry Potter >Picture Book" or something? Best bet would be to publish them in the "Guide to Harry Potter" she was talking about doing. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 21:56:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:56:00 -0400 Subject: The Philosopher's Stone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5962 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: The Philosopher's Stone Reply To: [Yahoo! #5929] The Philosopher's Stone Date: 8/6/00 5:56 pm (ET) >There > is some mention of alchemy as well, and since >this clearly relates to the Philosopher's Stone, >it makes a mockery of this editorial change for >the US book (especially as it was used in the >title!). I know we've said it before, but it is >*really* irritating. They apparently thought that US kids wouldn't be sophisticated enough to know anythng of the history of Alchemy. Grumble from a US person on this change as well. I distinctly recall a "Tom Swift Junior" book I read circa 1968 that had a plot that had lots of elements connected with alchemy. Are US kids these days not considered as bright as they were in 1968??? Or was alchemy not considered a useful reference point in the history of science? In essence they have changed history here - a scary practice! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5963 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 6:03 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I notice that on You-Know-Who's web page (www.realmuggles.com), she now has a picture of "Larry Potter" and he has glasses, and otherwise resembles a certain boy wizard whose name escapes me. Can everyone who has read her books (all three of you) confirm that her character has glasses, or is the Dark Lady just whipping up pictures of Harry look-alikes to try to incriminate Jo?>>> Well, since as best I can tell, her "books" were distributed to like less than 100 people, I'm guessing noone on this Board has read them. <g> If I had to guess, I would say that she is whipping up pictures of Harry look-alikes for her insane & groundless lawsuit. I suspect there must be a way of determining when her "pictures" were created, wouldn't you think? Stouffer is evil!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:12:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5964 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: The Club Index Date: 8/6/00 6:12 pm (ET) Hi -- Melanie you are #10 based on your 2 IDs. Voicelady, I happen to know, also has 2 IDs, and I believe combining them makes her #4, leapfrogging over Danemead. <g> Jen_P you are #14. #11 -- davehoz #12 -- skimmel #13 -- pt4ever #14 -- Jen_P #15 -- triner2001 #16 -- Carlsson #17 -- Heiditandy #18 -- estesrandy #19 -- polgara_sorceress #20 -- angel_px I fully expect some of our newer members will catch up in short order. Penny From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:18:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5965 From: davehoz Subject: RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5963] RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 6:18 pm (ET) >If I had to guess, I would say that she is whipping up pictures of Harry >look-alikes for her insane & groundless lawsuit. I guess we have to ask, why didn't she put the pictures there before? I guess she's getting desperate... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: For Trina Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5966 From: plinsenmayer Subject: For Trina Date: 8/6/00 6:25 pm (ET) Hi Trina -- thanks for volunteering with the FAQs at the chat today. Problem: I have no email address for you as it's private in your profile. Can you email me at linsenma at hic.net? Paul needs it for the egroups listing that he's set up for all us FAQs volunteers. Thanks! Penny From jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:27:00 2000 From: jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com (jeanne_1013) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:27:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5967 From: jeanne_1013 Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5960] Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 6:27 pm (ET) On the Fandom Harry Potter site (http://www.fandom.com/harrypotter/), someone said Alan Rickman for Snape. Wouldn't he be great? Some of the other choices there were as follows: Dumbledore - Tom Baker McGonagall - Maggie Smith Peeves - Martin Short Lupin - Ralph Fiennes (yes!) Sir Cadogan - John Cleese : ) Prof. Quirrel - Cary Elwes I think it'd be hilarious if a really, REALLY big-name star from the States played Lockhart - kind of spoofing the whole Hollywood ego trip. ~Jeannie~ From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:34:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:34:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5968 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5963] RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 6:34 pm (ET) Gosh, next thing you know, she's going to be claiming that Larry's best friends are Don and Chermione! N.K.indeed! --Harriet From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:47:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5969 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5967] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 6:47 pm (ET) <<I think it'd be hilarious if a really, REALLY big-name star from the States played Lockhart - kind of spoofing the whole Hollywood ego trip.>> That would be funny! A year or two ago, I would have suggested Brad Pitt, who fits the physical description of Lockhart very well. But he's kind of faded into the background lately (except for his recent wedding to Jennifer Aniston). Also, I heard he hates always being cast as the pretty boy; he'd probably turn down Lockhart and offer to play Lupin or Black! How about Tom Cruise, one of the Baldwin brothers, or the up and coming Matt Damon? Just a few ideas, Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 22:50:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:50:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5970 From: ravenclawlady Subject: RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5968] RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 6:50 pm (ET) << Gosh, next thing you know, she's going to be claiming that Larry's best friends are Don and Chermione! >> LOL! I was thinking Rob and Henrietta. And what are Larry's parents' names? Jim and Lila? From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 23:46:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5971 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5967] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 7:46 pm (ET) >>I think it'd be hilarious if a really, REALLY big-name star from the States played Lockhart - kind of spoofing the whole Hollywood ego trip. You know, I suddenly picture David Hasslehoff in the role of Lockhart. Don't ask me why. Also, I still support the idea of Hagrid being played by a Muppet. Whoever suggested the Ghost of Christmas Past (present?) from the Muppet's Christmas Carol was exactly right IMHO. I also volunteer my Spanish teacher's husband, whose name escapes me, for the role of Dumbledore. He looks like the descriptions and happens to be British. But since no one knows him, I don't think that would be very good idea...LOL. ~Kaitlin From maxine450 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 23:49:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5972 From: maxine450 Subject: casting Date: 8/6/00 7:49 pm (ET) I think Sean Connery would be good for Sir Cadogan From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 6 23:50:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: She Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5973 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5970] RE: She Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/6/00 7:50 pm (ET) >>LOL! I was thinking Rob and Henrietta. And what >>are Larry's parents' names? Jim and Lila? Actually, you're close. Her name is--big surprise--Lilly Potter. Don't worry, I haven't read her books, I just happened to read a whiny article about the whole ordeal. I think that whenever something becomes famous, people try to find things that are wrong with it. The other day, I read something that said that "muggle" was an old slang for a joint... ~Kaitlin From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 01:37:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:37:00 -0400 Subject: Oops Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5974 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Oops Reply To: [Yahoo! #5966] For Trina Date: 8/6/00 9:37 pm (ET) Hi: I said I needed an email address for Trina so that Paul could set up the egroups for the FAQs volunteers -- I meant Melanie. Sorry for the confusion Paul & Melanie. Penny From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:00:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5975 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5969] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 10:00 pm (ET) The only actor I can see who would be absolutely perfect in the role of Gilderoy Lockhart is Cary Elwes. If you saw "Robin Hood: Men In Tights", you'd know exactly what I mean. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today's Top 25 U.S. Bestsellers ... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5976 From: GypsyCaine Subject: USA Today's Top 25 U.S. Bestsellers ... Date: 8/6/00 10:06 pm (ET) Friday August 4 2:46 PM ET USA Today's Top 25 U.S. Bestsellers ALEXANDRIA, Va. (Reuters) - The top 25 U.S. bestsellers, based on sales through Sunday, July 30, 2000, as reported by USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com). Key: F-Fiction, NF-Nonfiction, P-Paperback, H-Hardback 1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, by J.K. Rowling (Scholastic/Arthur A. Levine) (F) (H) $25.95 Last Week: 1 2. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, by J.K. Rowling (Scholastic) (F) (P) $5.99 Last Week: 2 3. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, by J.K. Rowling (Arthur A. Levine/Scholastic) (F) (H) $17.95 Last Week: 3 4. Who Moved My Cheese?, by Spencer Johnson (Putnam) (NF) (H) $19.95 Last Week: 5 5. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, by J.K. Rowling, illustrated by Mary Grandpre (Arthur Levine/Scholastic (F) (H) $19.95 Last Week: 4 From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5977 From: GypsyCaine Subject: RE: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #5964] RE: The Club Index Date: 8/6/00 10:18 pm (ET) "I fully expect some of our newer members will catch up in short order." Yep! Just 230 more messages to catch up with Neil! :) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:27:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks, and something else as well... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5978 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Thanks, and something else as well... Date: 8/6/00 10:27 pm (ET) Thank you all for being so welcoming...I also really enjoyed the chat today. I loved all the food dissusion, and I can't wait to make something with Treacle, I think puddings are so welcoming, but I would NEVER use a pound of suet! (Imagine the calories...) This, well sort of, brings me to my subject. I know there are always predictions about the movie, but being a Thespian (sp?) at heart, I've always wondered how HP could be adapted to the stage...I know that would be a challenge, especially Quidditch, but I think it could be done (though it never will)... Well I guess that I think EVERYTHING can be put on stage since I saw "The Lion King" on Broadway. It is fascinating, and I think it is playing in London. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:33:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter as Stage Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5979 From: selah_1977 Subject: Harry Potter as Stage Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #5978] Thanks, and something else as well... Date: 8/6/00 10:33 pm (ET) >>This, well sort of, brings me to my subject. I know there are always predictions about the movie, but being a Thespian (sp?) at heart, I've always wondered how HP could be adapted to the stage...I know that would be a challenge, especially Quidditch, but I think it could be done (though it never will)...>>> I'm a theater fanatic too. It would either have to be a HUGE Broadway production, or else very creatively staged. You've got the wheels in my brain a-turning... What about HP on ice? Don't shake your heads... It could work! Ebony AKA AngieJ (who hasn't has as much fun in a chat as she did today in many moons) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:36:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: Trains Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5980 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Trains Date: 8/6/00 10:36 pm (ET) I have been having a hard time imagining the Scarlet Steam Engine, that takes Harry and his friends to Hogwarts. I have been on American trains and on French/Italian trains, but I've never been on a British rail. There are individual compartments, right?? I've stayed in the ones that have 6 beds to a compartment, 3 vertically on each wall. These fold down to make seats. This was the European train. Some American trains also have compartments, but a lot are just rows of seats. What would Hogwarts express be most like?? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 02:52:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5981 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5979] Harry Potter as Stage Play Date: 8/6/00 10:52 pm (ET) <<It would either have to be a HUGE Broadway production, or else very creatively staged.>> It would be just *too* tempting to put on as a musical. I can see Hermione now, sitting on the steps of Madam Malkin's, head in a spotlight, singing: 'When I'm stuck with a day That's grey, And lonely, I just stick out my chin And GRIN, And SAY, O-o-o-o-ohhhh! The SUN'll come out TOMORROW Bet ya bottom Galleon that TOMORROW Come what may... etc.' I *still* can't believe they made a musical about the Titanic disaster. I had to suffer a flatmate who played the score repeatedly. In the end I suggested that he had a themed birthday party to get it out of his system. He asked me to be the DJ and I did it dressed as an Iceberg. Beware musicals (especially those with children in them). Neil is appearing in the West End From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:00:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: I Am Almost There.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5982 From: mkplummer Subject: I Am Almost There.... Date: 8/6/00 11:00 pm (ET) Well, if you can belive it, I am now half-way through Book 4. Considering that I started reading the HP series, starting with Year One, in early July, I think that is a pretty good turn around! Each book I have been able to finish in about a weekend. I have laughed out lound quite often reading this novels, and somethings in them are simply very sad. I wish I had been in on this since the beginning, so I could have discussed each book in depth. I will certainly will try to be here when various chapters of book 4 are discussed! Marion From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:02:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: sorting? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5983 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: sorting? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5978] Thanks, and something else as well... Date: 8/6/00 11:02 pm (ET) I heard a rumor that there was a whole set of postings that talked about sorting --- using a Meijers/Briggs schemata..can someone tell me the message #s? Albus From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Trains (and other things) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5984 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Trains (and other things) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5980] Trains Date: 8/6/00 11:07 pm (ET) <<Some American trains also have compartments, but a lot are just rows of seats. What would Hogwarts express be most like?? >> I imagine something like the Orient Express, if you've ever seen the film 'Murder on the Orient Express'. Compartments with padded green leather seats, perhaps, rather dark, with lots of polished brass fittings and mirrors. On the evidence of the steam train, the Ford Anglia [takes a bow], the Durmstrang ship and other things, it seems that the magical world is steeped in the accessories of bygone ages, particularly when it comes to transport. I have no doubt that Sirius' motorbike, for example, had a young Marlon Brando as its former owner. Bearing in mind this nostalgia fix, I cannot imagine the Hogwarts pupils wearing trainers and t-shirts. I see Harry in 1940s-style grey shorts, black boots, knobbly knees and all. I can't help it, even though there is evidence to the contrary. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:11:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: Cary Elwes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5985 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Cary Elwes Reply To: [Yahoo! #5975] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 11:11 pm (ET) I saw the Princess Bride, and I can clearly see what you mean Angelx! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:13:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:13:00 -0400 Subject: sorting? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5986 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: sorting? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5983] Re: sorting? Date: 8/6/00 11:13 pm (ET) <<I heard a rumor that there was a whole set of postings that talked about sorting --- using a Meijers/Briggs schemata..can someone tell me the message #s?>> Certainly! It began in May with message 1390, posted by Suzanne (rainy_lilac), and continues (mixed with other messages) well into the 1400's. Three of us came up with different ways of sorting based on M-B. The summary of all three can be found in message 1435. Enjoy. Melanie From katrina_lefair at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:14:00 2000 From: katrina_lefair at yahoo.com (katrina_lefair) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: It's good to be here! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5987 From: katrina_lefair Subject: It's good to be here! Date: 8/6/00 11:14 pm (ET) I've just joined this busy list and I thought I'd introduce myself! I found the Harry Potter books, after "Chamber of Secrets," but before "Azkaban." I read the first two each in a day. Then I made my family read tham, so I had someone to talk to about them! Now everyone has read them and just today we were all discussing "Goblet of Fire" at the dinner table! I'm glad to find a list for adults! (Ah, people who use spell-checkers!) ~Katrina LeFair From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:15:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:15:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5988 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Chat Reply To: [Yahoo! #5979] Harry Potter as Stage Play Date: 8/6/00 11:15 pm (ET) :( I missed the fun? Aw shucks! All due to a technical problem that I couldn't fix anyways! (Bear's computer, when connected to the modem, takes over the phone line--even when not online. It just has to be turned on. Thought it might be something in the programs, but it's still not happy. Hopefully they will be getting cable soon, that's going to fix it--don't use the modem at all!) So, what did I miss? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Trains Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5989 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Trains Reply To: [Yahoo! #5980] Trains Date: 8/6/00 11:19 pm (ET) Have you ever seen any of the Sherlock Holmes where a murder occurs in a compartment? There is a main hallway through the train, and on one side (I am assuming that the train is like the movie/tv ones), windows, and a central door. On either side of a piece of rug are benches (Sorta like a McDonalds booth without the table). The window to the outside of the train is opposite the hallway windows. Am I anywhere close Neil? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:19:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: sorting? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5990 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: sorting? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5983] Re: sorting? Date: 8/6/00 11:19 pm (ET) Excellent. The first official use of the index. Now if we could only automate the process... Message #1390 (with a correction made in #1391) Message #1407 references a free website to take the MB test. Start there and look at the message concerning "Meyers-Brigs" and/or "Sorting Hat" From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:24:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5991 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Chat Reply To: [Yahoo! #5988] Re: Chat Date: 8/6/00 11:24 pm (ET) <<I missed the fun? Aw shucks! All due to a technical problem that I couldn't fix anyways! (Bear's computer, when connected to the modem, takes over the phone line--even when not online. It just has to be turned on. Thought it might be something in the programs, but it's still not happy. Hopefully they will be getting cable soon, that's going to fix it--don't use the modem at all!)>> Actually, a cable hookup does use a modem, but it's hooked to a cable, rather than a telephone line. << So, what did I miss? >> I'd like to know too. First Sunday afternoon in a long time that I've been available to chat, but my snaillike computer had other ideas. I struggled for half an hour to get into the chat room, but I kept getting error messages. Ah well, maybe next week. Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: Trains Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5992 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Trains Reply To: [Yahoo! #5989] Re: Trains Date: 8/6/00 11:29 pm (ET) <<There is a main hallway through the train, and on one side ... windows, and a central door. On either side of a piece of rug are benches ... The window to the outside of the train is opposite the hallway windows. Am I anywhere close Neil?>> Pretty close Dee, but probably no rugs - the guard would trip over them! Seats - a bit like airline seats, but more plush - velveteen if not leather. Each compartment is enclosed by a windowed wall on the 'corridor' side, with a door set in it. The narrow corridor runs down one side of the train, giving access to all the carriages. All the carriages are private if the door is shut and the curtains drawn, which is why so many people are murdered in them (often witnessed - by people passing on other trains or staring out of the bedroom windows of their trackside homes - through the outside window). Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:30:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:30:00 -0400 Subject: Aside--modems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5993 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside--modems Reply To: [Yahoo! #5991] Re: Chat Date: 8/6/00 11:30 pm (ET) Actually, his has both a phone modem and a 3com ethernet card. I know, this was my old computer, and I have had Roadrunner for ages (Like over 15 mos!) now. I love my cable. No hassles, except the bill (only $39.95 extra per month). It's worth it to me, though. We uninstalled the 3com, just in case that was causing difficulties, then I had him take out the network settings (which I didn't know would remove the desktop icon! Anyone know how to get it back?). He's used Speigel (sp?) and yahoo's teamed up freeware to dialup, and it's a pain, trust me! I installed/uninstalled that thing about 4 times. Haven't a clue what's wrong. I tuned him into a company that offered 30 days free trial (www.speedynet. something) that I used to have BRR (Before Roadrunner), and hopefully the tech support there can help them get online! Sighs. The wonders of modern conveniences... :) From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:32:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:32:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Lockhart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5994 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Casting for Lockhart Reply To: [Yahoo! #5975] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/6/00 11:32 pm (ET) <<The only actor I can see who would be absolutely perfect in the role of Gilderoy Lockhart is Cary Elwes. If you saw "Robin Hood: Men In Tights", you'd know exactly what I mean.>> Oh, I agree (based on both "Princess Bride" and "Robin Hood - Men in Tights"). He's by far my favorite choice. The names I gave in the last message were in response to the idea of the "BIG Hollywood star" to make fun of Lockhart's attitude. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:32:00 -0400 Subject: Trains Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5995 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Trains Reply To: [Yahoo! #5992] Re: Trains Date: 8/6/00 11:32 pm (ET) Thought that was why so many couples, ahem, pulled the curtains, Neil? Winks....privacy! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, and goodnight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5996 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside, and goodnight Date: 8/6/00 11:35 pm (ET) Just wanted to say, Neil, don't you do anything important? Goodnight, and offline--big storm outside. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:42:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, and goodnight (reply) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5997 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Aside, and goodnight (reply) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5996] Aside, and goodnight Date: 8/6/00 11:42 pm (ET) <<Just wanted to say, Neil, don't you do anything important?>> Um....? Do you mean 'don't you have anything better to do than be in here all the time?', or 'are you a international spy, a government minister? or something like that?' Neil, goodnight also (4.45am, but I only need 3 hours sleep) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:49:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5998 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #5964] RE: The Club Index Date: 8/6/00 11:49 pm (ET) Oh no! The list of frequent posters has been re-calibrated and I am not on it! I am crushed, simply crushed. From #11 to nothing in no time (sobs). Please tell me something is wrong here, Penny, before you break my fanatical little heart. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 03:55:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:55:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, and goodnight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5999 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Aside, and goodnight Reply To: [Yahoo! #5996] Aside, and goodnight Date: 8/6/00 11:55 pm (ET) Now that the storm has passed by...Grins. Neil that was meant in humor. I know that by England time you should be in your office now! :) From dogspoon at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 04:40:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6000 From: dogspoon Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Date: 8/7/00 12:40 am (ET) Since I've been a member in this club, I have made a lot of new fans. Yeah, right. Anyway, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have started to make a collection of my own Harry Potter drawings and post them in a photo album in this club. I just started drawing them this afternoon so there's not much in there but I want everyone to check them out and let me know if my ideas about what these guys look like matches up with anyone else's. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 04:49:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:49:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6001 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Dogspoon, gently.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5891] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... Date: 8/7/00 12:49 am (ET) College does not make you smarter, it makes you more educated. Smart, i suppose, is in the eye of the beholder. Please, do not take offense to this statement. Mechanics need lawyers and lawyers need mechanics. Intelligence comes in many different colors. Now may we please all stick to the subject of this club. If I keep defending myself I will only continue to put my big foot in my even larger mouth. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 05:05:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:05:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6002 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6001] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... Date: 8/7/00 1:05 am (ET) Sounds good to me Dogspoon. And on with club business. Somebody posted recently that they were suprised that there was no "Bathroom Scenes" (excuse the expression). I was thinking about this as I started making notes (aren't I good?) for my characters - the Teachers. So very little is said about most of the subjects at Hogwarts, I am glad they were all lumped together for me, as otherwise I would have had very little to say, indeed. So there is actually a lot missing from the "daily lives" of Hogwarts students. I've never got a sense of the students "timetable", other than that (I think, from memory) astronomy is at the top of the tallest tower at midnight on wednesdays (I've always wondered, do they get to sleep in the next day?). My point is (and its very late, so I may not exactly express this well) that there are so many aspects of Hogwarts life that aren't there, and yet it takes different people to notice them - I never notice the absence of bathrooms, but I have noticed other absences within the book. Thats why I like this club - so many takes on the same issues. From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 05:18:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:18:00 -0400 Subject: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6003 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Reply To: [Yahoo! #5904] Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitude) Date: 8/7/00 1:18 am (ET) Why aren't you a feminist? From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 05:58:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 01:58:00 -0400 Subject: Daily Life at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6004 From: Danemead Subject: Daily Life at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 1:58 am (ET) Maybe I've seen too many British TV productions, but the thing I noticed is that you never read about afternoon tea at Hogwarts. I think most of us 'Yanks' think that everyone in Britain is born with teacups in their hands, but I don't recall any tea-drinking at Hogwarts (except maybe in Trelawny's first class). I was also surprised at the beginning of GoF that the students went directly to dinner from the train, despite the fact that most of them were drenched in icy rain, or by Peeves' water balloons. And finally, I'm amazed at the late hours they seem to keep. Several of Harry's detentions started in the late evening and lasted until midnight or later, including that highly dangerous foray into the Forbidden Forest to look for the injured Unicorn in PS/SS. Hogwarts is definitely a different universe from the one I know! From golden_faile at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 06:49:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:49:00 -0400 Subject: Kitchen Nonsense? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6005 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Kitchen Nonsense? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5933] Kitchen Nonsense? Date: 8/7/00 2:49 am (ET) Wow!!!! When can you move in? I could use you around my house(LOL)! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 07:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:35:00 -0400 Subject: Trains / Transportation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6006 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Trains / Transportation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5984] Re: Trains (and other things) Date: 8/7/00 3:35 am (ET) > the Durmstrang ship When the Durmstrang ship appeared, I wondered whether it is somehow a reference to the Flying Dutchman -- the Beauxbatons babyblue carriage having reminded me of Cinderella's carriage from Perrault even if it didn't turn back into a pumpkin. > I have no doubt that Sirius' motorbike, for example, had a young Marlon Brando as its former owner. There is one hell of a fanfic in which it is a 1952 Vincent Black Shadow. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 07:40:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:40:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6007 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chat Reply To: [Yahoo! #5988] Re: Chat Date: 8/7/00 3:40 am (ET) > So, what did I miss? Death and bookends. People were discussing the HP bookends from the WB store (and I threw in some generic wizard bookends that I had seen in a generic gift shop) when another thread started up of who will die in Book 5 (and whether Harry will die in Book 7). Neil commented: "Death and bookends. My two favorite topics." At the time that I had to leave, the conversation had progressed from British food items to disgusting food items in general. Someone said: "Can we get back to death and bookends?" The conversation was going so fast that it was hard to keep up with. I feel sure that Yahoo archives the chats in case they become useful for blackmail in one month or twenty years: it isn't fair that the people who were IN the chat can't see that archive. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 07:53:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:53:00 -0400 Subject: Dangerous Question(wasNice-Guy Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6008 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dangerous Question(wasNice-Guy Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #6003] Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Date: 8/7/00 3:53 am (ET) > Why aren't you a feminist? Beware! That is the question that launched a thousand flames and felled the topless towers of e-mail ... go to Harry Potter Anonymous on e-groups http://www.egroups.com/messages/harrypotteranonymous/ and see Ebony/AngieJ/Selah's answer in message #3213 and my unkind response in message #3269. Unfortunately, this caused her to unsub from hpa, which is sad. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 11:57:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:57:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6009 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5969] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/7/00 7:57 am (ET) <That would be funny! A year or two ago, I would have suggested Brad Pitt, who fits the physical description of Lockhart very well. But he's kind of faded into the background lately (except for his recent wedding to Jennifer Aniston). Also, I heard he hates always being cast as the pretty boy; he'd probably turn down Lockhart and offer to play Lupin or Black! How about Tom Cruise, one of the Baldwin brothers, or the up and coming Matt Damon?> I think Cary Elwes (the actor who played Westly in the Princess Bride) would be a great Lockhart. YMEK From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 13:02:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6010 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5981] Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Date: 8/7/00 9:02 am (ET) Neil said: Beware musicals (especially those with children in them). And cats. You forgot cats. ;-) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 13:08:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6011 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5971] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/7/00 9:08 am (ET) <Also, I still support the idea of Hagrid being played by a Muppet. Whoever suggested the Ghost of Christmas Past (present?) from the Muppet's Christmas Carol was exactly right IMHO.> I'm not sure who posted it, but Darwin has been telling me for MONTHS that he pictures that big blue monster muppet! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 13:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:11:00 -0400 Subject: Off-Topic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6012 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Off-Topic Reply To: [Yahoo! #6003] Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Date: 8/7/00 9:11 am (ET) Hi: <<<Why aren't you a feminist?>>> Like Catlady said, let's not get this topic started here too. These sorts of subjects generate passionate & often divering viewpoints. We're here to talk about HP. I'd prefer to limit our discussions of potentially controversial or divisive off-topic matters. Thanks, Penny (who just got flamed off-line on the same subject in that same group) From angela_burgess at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 13:20:00 2000 From: angela_burgess at yahoo.com (angela_burgess) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: Draco in GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6013 From: angela_burgess Subject: Re: Draco in GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5841] Draco in GoF Date: 8/7/00 9:20 am (ET) I think you're probably right. After I finished the first time, I didn't even think about Draco-cum-ferret. But I've recently started reading GoF again in preparation for a discussion group and that occured to me. I wonder if he also hadn't been looking for a reason to punish Draco for being Lucius' son and him attacking Harry didn't just provide that reason. I mean, he says later how much he hates the Death Eaters who did not suffe for their master. So I think Draco maybe simply provided him an excuse to do what he had been longing to. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 13:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6014 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: RE: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #5964] RE: The Club Index Date: 8/7/00 9:32 am (ET) <Voicelady, I happen to know, also has 2 IDs> Yeah, I usually tend to haul out the other ID when I feel that someone needs to be "scolded." My other personality isn't quite as nice as "voicelady" is. <g> And it should tell you something about how I feel about the members of this club that I haven't used it in quite a long time! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 14:11:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:11:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6015 From: pt4ever Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6002] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Date: 8/7/00 10:11 am (ET) >>>Somebody posted recently that they were suprised that there was no "Bathroom Scenes" (excuse the expression). <<< That reminds me of Star Trek...the old "Nobody on the Enterprise ever needs to use the bathroom" kinda deal. I guess we're supposed to assume that they're there, and take it for granted that the characters *do* use the bathroom, but it's just not documented. We have had bathroom trips mentioned in CoS...when Harry, Ron, and Hermione are in Moaning Myrtle's bathroom and Hermione says something like, "It's hard to pee with her sitting right there." Incidentally, on the show "Star Trek: Voyager," one of the episode's characters is reporting to the captain about various malfunctions on board, and says, "All but three lavatories are not functioning. Needless to say, lines are beginning to form...especially with the Bolians." Okay, now that I'm finished with that horribly dull (and for the most part off-topic) post.... :-) -- JoAnna From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 14:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Musicals (esp those with Children) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6016 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Musicals (esp those with Children) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6010] Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Date: 8/7/00 10:29 am (ET) Actually, voicelady, my favorite musical IS Cats! :) <<<<Neil said: Beware musicals (especially those with children in them). And cats. You forgot cats. ;-) >> From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 14:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:53:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6017 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #5998] RE: The Club Index Date: 8/7/00 10:53 am (ET) Hi: Jowitch -- you are #12. Sorry, I may have messed up on the final Top 20, based on the re-shuffling. Here's the Top 20: 1. flying_ford_anglia 2. plinsenmayer 3. hert0661 4. voicelady 5. Danemead 6. catlady 7. norevoli 8. rainy_lilac 9. GypsyCaine 10. melaniem68/ravenclawlady 11. babynick34 12. joywitch999 13. davehoz 14. Skimmel 15. pt4ever 16. JenP_97 17. triner2001 18. carlsson79 19. heiditandy 20. estesrandy Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 14:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6018 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Date: 8/7/00 10:54 am (ET) Hi -- Just a reminder Joywitch -- it's that time again. Shifting gears to Ch 5 & our favorite pranksters, Fred & George, as of today. Thanks, Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 15:12:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0400 Subject: (Lifted from a site, I admit it~!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6019 From: GypsyCaine Subject: (Lifted from a site, I admit it~!) Date: 8/7/00 11:12 am (ET) Vote for your fave harry potter characters at http://www.freevote.com/booth/hp_fan From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 15:34:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: The Twins.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6020 From: GypsyCaine Subject: The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 11:34 am (ET) Possibly a spoiler.... a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z I love the twosome. Their humor offsets any shadows that are drawn into the story. The canary creams, the Ton-tongue things that they dropped at Dudley (I was laughing so hard at that entire scene from the fireplace on!), the other gags that have happened throughout the stories--they give you the impression that if Jim Carrey was only 20 years younger, he'd be a perfect twin (computerized, could be both?). I am hoping that they get their shop off the ground. Magick-dom is so boring and stuffy sometimes, a witch/wizard needs humor in life. I wish I could recall the teacher who liked their toys! We know Bagman did! With their grades not being as high as those Weaselys above them, they need something to fall back upon when schools over. Another thought that occurred to me. The Quidditch team didn't play at all GoF year. Next year is George and Fred's last year--who on earth can they get to replace them? Wood is already gone, and they need a new captain. Will one of the twins become the captain next year? They have the knowledge! Just thoughts on twins. Next post is more... From salter15 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 15:51:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:51:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6021 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Dogspoon's Pics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6000] Dogspoon's Pics Date: 8/7/00 11:51 am (ET) First I would like to add my apologies for putting my 2 galleons in against you. I was quick to join in on the anti-dogspoon bandwagon. Second, I really enjoyed your illustrations as to what you believe the characters look like. I really like your Snape. Janet From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 16:15:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6022 From: ymekelly Subject: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 12:15 pm (ET) I was looking at the book covers from around the world and I noticed that some of the Britain ones say adult version. How is the adult version different from the ones we read in the stats? Does anyone know? (Sorry if this question has already been asked) YMEK PS I think the covers from Sweden are my favorite covers. From salter15 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 16:22:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6023 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6022] Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 12:22 pm (ET) YMEK asked: How is the adult version different from the ones we read in the stats? This was covered in an earlier post, if I remember correctly, the story is the same, just the cover is more "adult" so that it would appeal to the older readers. If I am wrong I am sure one of our UK members will be able to tell you, but I am sure that is what I read earlier. Janet From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 16:33:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:33:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6024 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6023] Re: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 12:33 pm (ET) The 'adult' covers are supposed to be less cartoonish I think - in fact the pics I've seen of the 'adult' version are IMHO very reminiscent of Agatha Christie mysteries published in the 60s. However, I've never actually seen these versions in any book or other shop in the UK (and I've been in half a dozen shops in England and a dozen or more in Scotland stocking Harry Potter books). Further, I've seen loads of adults reading HP on the train all of which have been reading the non-adult version. The back cover of the non-adult UK paperback Philosopher's Stone has changed since it was first published. My daughter's copy (bought within the first few weeks of publication in paperback) depicts the fellow shown in the Photos section - Who is this guy? When my daughter bought me my own copy for my birthday earlier this year the picture had been changed for one more recognisably Dumbledore - don't you get fed up with illustrators who have not read the book? Pam From gailw73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 16:38:00 2000 From: gailw73 at yahoo.com (gailw73) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6025 From: gailw73 Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6011] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/7/00 12:38 pm (ET) I would prefer a live actor,or a completely computer generated one, not a muppet. What about that HUGE football player who played with Tom Hanks in The Green Mile ? I think he would be fabulous as the gentle half giant. From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:04:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6026 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6025] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/7/00 1:04 pm (ET) I have always thought that the Henson crew should be involved in this movie in some way or another. I was the one who originally suggested the ghost of Christmas Present...it just fits so perfectly...Also, the animals is the books would, I think, be better off as muppets. Tori From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:05:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6027 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Reply To: [Yahoo! #6018] Chapter 5 & Fred & George Date: 8/7/00 1:05 pm (ET) Thanks for the reminder, Penny, and also for re-instating me onto the frequent posters list. I am proud to be #12, and hope to move up to single digits by the end of the year. Before I post my Chapter 5 summary, I just want to say one more thing about Chapter 4. I reread it this weekend, and for the first time I started feeling a little sorry for Dudley Dursley. He just seemed so pathetic, waddling around with his hands on his big fat butt. Of course he is nothing but a big stupid bully, but with parents like his, did he ever really have a chance to be anything else? I know, I know, Harry was raised by the same people and he is a good kid, but, well, Harry IS special. From ophelia1322 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:17:00 2000 From: ophelia1322 at yahoo.com (ophelia1322) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6028 From: ophelia1322 Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6026] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/7/00 1:17 pm (ET) I always thought his accent seemed scottish, on that note, did I hear Robbie Coltraine mentioned in relation with the role? Well anyway, I think that he would br brilliant as hagrid - a bit longer hair, a beard, he's huge anyway so he would be believably giant. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 17:39:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Photos Added Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6029 From: babynick34 Subject: Photos Added Date: 8/7/00 1:39 pm (ET) Hi all Just to let you know, added a new photo album: Hallmark Merchandise Some of it actually looks quite nice, and not too pricy - though hard to tell how big they are. Nick --------------- www.broomsticks.org <- See the new site design! From lpetrini_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 18:21:00 2000 From: lpetrini_2000 at yahoo.com (lpetrini_2000) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Finished!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6030 From: lpetrini_2000 Subject: Finished!!! Date: 8/7/00 2:21 pm (ET) Hello again! I finished Harry 4. I thought it was great, makes you really look forward to next book... which leads me to my next question...any ideas when that will come out? Is there a timetable? Lorraine From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:09:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6031 From: joywitch999 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/7/00 3:09 pm (ET) This chapter takes place entirely within The Burrow, the Weasley family's residence, and is largely concerned with the character development of the various Weasleys. Harry travels by Floo Powder to the Burrow kitchen fireplace from the Dursley's house, where he has left Mr. Weasley trying to deal with Dudley's elongated tongue - the result of eating some candy that Fred "accidently" dropped. Fred and George are excited to find out that, as a result of eating one of their Ton-Tongue Toffees, Dudley's tongue became four feet long. We finally get to meet the oldest of the Weasley children, Bill and Charlie. Harry is surprised to find out that Bill, former Hogwarts Head Boy and Gringott's bank employee, is nothing like he expected. Bill turns out to be *cool*, with a pony tail, an earring with a fang, and dragon hide boots. Percy, on the other hand, is becoming even more pompous. He now works for the Ministry of Magic (MoM) and is busy writing a report on the ridiculously dull and bureaucratic topic of developing international standards for cauldron thickness. Several small incidents in this chapter make it clear that Percy's attitudes set him apart from the rest of the family - not only do Fred, George and Ron tease him, but so does Bill. Percy and Mr. Weasley clearly do not see eye-to-eye about Ludo Bagman and, possibly, the functioning of the Ministry of Magic. We also hear for the first time of Mr. Crouch, Percy's beloved boss. Fred and George have, as usual, been up to no good. It turns out that the "small explosions" we have heard from their room are actually research for their new business called, of course, Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, which sells fake wands, charmed candies, and other joke items. Mrs. Weasley, however, wants them to apply their considerable intelligence to careers in the MoM, and has torn up all the order forms. Most of this chapter consists of a family dinner (and the preparations for it) with the Weasleys. We get a nice feeling of a large and loving family in which Harry is feeling more and more at home, some great scenes of wizard home life, complete with flying knifes and tables, and also of possible future conflicts as the children grow up. There is dinnertime conversation about the MoM, the Quidditch World Cup, and Sirius Black. We are given some more interesting tidbits of information - a MOM employee named Bertha Jorkins (who we already know has been killed by You-Know-Who) has disappeared; there is an important major wizarding event about to take place after the World Cup; the tiny country of Luxemburg somehow has enough athletic witches and wizards for a world-class Quidditch team capable of beating JKR's native Scotland; someone named Viktor Krum is the best player on the Bulgarian team, which will face Ireland in the upcoming Cup. Other countries whose Quidditch teams made it to the semifinals include Peru, Uganda, Wales, and Transylvania (which is not, of course, a separate country in the Muggle world, and implies a team of vampires - cool!). From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:29:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:29:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6032 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #5936] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/7/00 3:29 pm (ET) <<NO ONE IN THE BOOKS EVER TOOK A BATH OR WASHED UP!! >> <Hermione mode on> Hey--am I the ONLY person who's read the books?? For shame! In PoA we read: 'Where's Wood?' asked Harry, suddenly realising he wasn't there. 'Still in the showers' said Fred. 'We think he's trying to drown himeself.' [PoA, UK ed., ch. 9, p. 135] I think I can recall another post-match shower reference from PS, but it's lent out just now. <glowering> No showers. Humph. Or are you only counting baths and not showers? And to be perfectly honest, we read at the beginning of the passage quoted above that "the Griffindor team, spattered with mud from head to foot, was gathered arounf his bed." [Idem, p. 134.] *However*, since Wood is "still" in the showers, we surmise that the rest of the team has also been in them. Which forces us to conclude that it is normal Hogwarts practice to come out of showers spattered with mud. Hmm. Maybe someone DOES need to have a word with Dumbledore about hygene at Hogwarts. Just don't tell Ms. Skeeter, OK?? <Hermione mode off> <Normal mode on> ta ta! Mike From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:35:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6033 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Date: 8/7/00 3:35 pm (ET) I am including this spoiler space as I am not sure if we are still using it or not. I a quite certain thath there will be a few people who haven't read it... S P O I L E R S P A C E Ok - In GoF we learn yet more about Snape. He really is a detailed character - rather than just someone to not like Harry. I've always liked him, Snape and Hagrid are really complex characters (Hagrid's wand is not broken). What I was thinking was (I've stopped thinking alltogether now...):: Why is Dumbledore reluctant to give Snape the Defence against the Dark Arts job? We know he is good at it. I am sure I remember someone saying he was expert at it in book 2 or 3, when they thought Snape would get it, rather than Lupin (or was it Snape instead of Lockhart - why was he employed?). I am sure he know's his stuff after book 4. He was really interested in it as a child. etc. So why has Dumbledore never given him the job? Just wondering what other people think - I am sure it is more than because there would be too much of the Snape v. Harry stuff. Ideas? Nicholas From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:41:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:41:00 -0400 Subject: He Who Must Not Be Named Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6034 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: He Who Must Not Be Named Reply To: [Yahoo! #5943] He Who Must Not Be Named Date: 8/7/00 3:41 pm (ET) Enormously Major Spoiler: I'm about to clarify how HP 4 SHOULD have ended! <<Is there a way that Harry's blood might work on Voldemorts making him into a better person in the end?>> You know, bad guys getting better is something we haven't seen in the books yet. (Well, with the half-exception of Snape. But he already IS better than he at some point was.) You what I really wish? This may be crazy, but I wish Moody had taken Harry into his office at the end of the book, intending to kill him, but couldn't go through with it. Pretending to be Moody so long has caused him to look at the world from an entirely new standpoint. Harry's courage has melted his hard old heart. He raises his wand, then beginns to shake and jitter. Then he drops it and falls to his knees, sobbing passionately. At that moment, the good-guy posse crashes through the door with Corny & his Azkaban goons in tow, who kill the penitent Barty before Harry can explain. Now THAT would have been great. Or at least ... I mean ... umm, I meant .. oh well. ta ta, Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:47:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6035 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5616] Re: Percy Date: 8/7/00 3:47 pm (ET) <<he [Percy] doesn't know how to be himself or relax.>> I'm WAY behind on this, but I still want to put in a plug for one moment where he did see android Percy acting quite human. It was at the end of the quodditch final in PoA, in ch. 15. "There was Percy, jumping up and down like a maniac, all dignity forogtten." Of course, maybe that was only because he'd made another bet with his Ravenclaw chic ... ta ta, Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:04:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks, and something else as well.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6036 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Thanks, and something else as well.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5978] Thanks, and something else as well... Date: 8/7/00 4:04 pm (ET) <<Thank you all for being so welcoming...I also really enjoyed the chat today. >> Just wanted to echo that statement. I've been hanging around a few HP lists for a couple of weeks now and have decided to settle down here. I don't like Yahoo's format (I pay by the minute when I'm online, so I like a Newsgroup or Email-list format a lot better) but the people around here more than make up for it. Thanks particularly for making my first ever attempt at chatting a blast. (Particularly to the people who noticed I had the voice feature toruned on and was muttering things into it ... ) Only wish I'd taken that typing course in high school! Three words to Fellow Lurkers: Jump On In! Mike From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: Voice Chat.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6037 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Voice Chat.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6036] Re: Thanks, and something else as well.. Date: 8/7/00 4:19 pm (ET) That's something I do have on this thing (Gateway, expensive) and that's a mike. It's supposedly wonderful for verbal conversation, but I haven't yet been able to encourage anyone to use it. I shall turn it on next Sunday! :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:24:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6038 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 4:24 pm (ET) What are the odds that the twins will make it as practical jokers in the real world (aka, outside Hogwarts)? Do you think that there is a big market for that? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: A problem with years...broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6039 From: GypsyCaine Subject: A problem with years...broomsticks Date: 8/7/00 4:33 pm (ET) The broom, the Firebolt and the Nimbus 2000. Where did the 2000 come from? It makes sense that the setting of the Harry Potter books is current, and not placed in the past or it wouldn't have stated the broomsticks that Draco bought were the 2001's. It makes sense, like car models. Or am I babbling? ~ Dee From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:40:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:40:00 -0400 Subject: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6040 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Reply To: [Yahoo! #6003] Re: Nice-Guy Harry (was Snape Bad Attitu Date: 8/7/00 4:40 pm (ET) By: profadumbledore Date: 8/7/00 1:18 am Why aren't you a feminist? ------ Thanks for asking, but my reasons have nothing to do with HP. I'd rather not discuss it anymore--over the past few days it's become a sore point with me. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is awed by the top posters) From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:45:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: A problem with years...broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6041 From: Danemead Subject: Re: A problem with years...broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6039] A problem with years...broomsticks Date: 8/7/00 4:45 pm (ET) >>>>The broom, the Firebolt and the Nimbus 2000. Where did the 2000 come from? It makes sense that the setting of the Harry Potter books is current, and not placed in the past or it wouldn't have stated the broomsticks that Draco bought were the 2001's. It makes sense, like car models.<<<< In Book 1, Ron asks Draco if he doesn't have a Comet 260 at home (Chap 10, Halloween). Since I doubt Draco's broomstick is THAT old, the numbers are probably just model numbers and not related to the year they were manufactured. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:47:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6042 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6015] Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 4:47 pm (ET) By: pt4ever Date: 8/7/00 10:11 am >>>I guess we're supposed to assume that they're there, and take it for granted that the characters *do* use the bathroom, but it's just not documented. We have had bathroom trips mentioned in CoS...when Harry, Ron, and Hermione are in Moaning Myrtle's bathroom and Hermione says something like, "It's hard to pee with her sitting right there.">>>>>> One of the most hilarious lines in the book! I can't help but laugh all the way through the lighter parts of CoS and PoA. The best bathroom scene is still in GoF. I don't believe for a minute that Myrtle closed her eyes. Poooooor Myrtle... Ebony AKA AngieJ From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:56:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6043 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6031] Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/7/00 4:56 pm (ET) Some thoughts about Chapter 5 (one of my favorites!). S P O I L E R S P A C E I always enjoy reading about Harry's experiences with the Weasleys -- these are some of my favorite scenes in all 4 books. It was wonderful to meet Bill and Charlie -- I have the feeling that Bill, at least, may play a significant part in the upcoming battles against Voldemort. I think this is also the first time that Hermione has stayed with the Weasleys? I would really like to see more of Hermione's parents -- however do they cope with having a witch daughter in their Muggle world? Someone asked in a previous message if we thought Fred & George would be successful outside of Hogwarts. I'm thinking that they'll end up Wizard Millionaires (like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates -- inventing things in their garage that turn into major business empires). It would be a nice touch to see the "jokers" who "didn't get as many O.W.L.S" as they should have, turn out to be the most financially successful in the family. They've got a wealthy private investor (Harry) to bankroll their startup, and I'm hoping they are a roaring success. They may also find a use for their inventing talents in the upcoming fights against Voldemort -- but maybe I'm thinking a little too much of James Bond and his gadgets? It would be a cool twist! Well, I'll cut this off here. I'm sure I'll be blabbing some more about this chapter in days to come... From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:01:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6044 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6042] Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 5:01 pm (ET) >>>>The best bathroom scene is still in GoF. I don't believe for a minute that Myrtle closed her eyes. Poooooor Myrtle...<<<<< This was funny! But I had a gross thought later on, when Myrtle mentioned that she sometimes ended up in the lake with the contents of the toilet. Then I thought about the four Champions and their unconscious friends swimming around in a lake filled with sewage from the castle.... URP! Not a pretty picture. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:03:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: The Twins.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6045 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The Twins.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6020] The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 5:03 pm (ET) > Possibly a spoiler.... a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z > I love the twosome. Before GoF, I thought them rather tiresome off the Quidditch pitch .. the difference would be that you apparently like practical jokes and slapslick, and I usually don't like them and prefer wordplay. In GoF, I guess it was their thoughtful concern for their future that humanized them to me. > With their grades not being as high as those > Weaselys above them, We know that Ron said in SS that even tho' the twins goof around a lot, their grades aren't bad. Not merely manufacturing but *inventing* all those magical joke toys must have taken a lot of magical knowledge as well as magic power, showing that if they had chosen to apply themselves to schoolwork instead of to memorizing every secret passage and trick door at Hogwart's, their grades would have been as good as Bill's and Charlie's. > The canary creams, Is that a pun on some real life (tm) candy? Anyway, what the trick candy causes is a temporary Transfiguration, which implies that they were experts in Transfiguration if only they had bothered to turn in the homework and write essaays on the written exams. > Another thought that occurred to me. The Quidditch team didn't play at all GoF year. Next year is George and Fred's last year--who on earth can they get to replace them? Wood is already gone, and they need a new captain. Will one of the twins become the captain next year? They have the knowledge! I suspect that one reason there was no Quidditch all GoF year is that JKR was avoiding the question of the new Captain and new Keeper. *I* think that Fred and George will be co-Captains. Hogwarts under Dumbledore is not the kind of place that would force them to split up if they don't want to. Someone said that they are too irresponsible to be Captain, but I think it would teach them so responsibility (running a business is already teaching them some responsibility!). So I am more interested in who will be the new Keeper. I get the impression that the Keeper should be a physically large person, so it is very unlikely to be a second-year ... I don't know if it would be any satisfaction to Ron to finally get on the team but only as a second-choice type of player ... I like the idea that it would be Muggle-born Dean Thomas, the fan of West Ham soccer football, in a position that it probably took him a year and a half to learn to stop calling 'goalie' .. I also like the idea of it being a girl, a big muscular girl who rooms with Hermione, Parvati, and Lavender, but Hermione dislikes her because she's anti-intellectual and Parvati and Lavender make fun of her for being so big and unfeminine and tell her that she'll have to marry Hagrid because men don't like women taller than they are. Then she suddenly becomes a star by brilliant performance in her first competition Quidditch match, boys are lining up to talk to her at break, and Parvati and Lavender are fawning on her..... From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:04:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6046 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6043] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/7/00 5:04 pm (ET) SPOILERS! * * * * * * * * I agree about the future financial success of Fred and George... I think they'll be to the upcoming Voldy resurgence what Bob Hope, Red Skelton and Danny Kaye were to WWII. Another thought on Chapter 5: I just realized on re-reading that this is our first intro to the Summoning Charm, though it isn't identified as such. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:06:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6047 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6038] Twins... Date: 8/7/00 5:06 pm (ET) Dee wrote: "What are the odds that the twins will make it as practical jokers in the real world (aka, outside Hogwarts)? Do you think that there is a big market for that?" I think there is a HUGE market for them! They've had me laughing all the way from SS--"Honestly, woman, and you call yourself our mother" to GoF--"Interesting. I used Jelly Legs. Seems those two shouldn't be mixed". (not verbatim quotes) I think one of the most attractive things about a person is their sense of humor, since I can be so serious. That's why I love reading about the Weasleys, who couldn't be serious and straight-laced if they tried. Questions I have about the twins--series SPOILERS throughout. * * * * * 1) Is there a way to distinguish Fred's personality from George's? I know that someone pointed out recently that Fred had a date to the Yule Ball and George didn't, but that doesn't mean much. 2) How *did* the twins end up with the Marauder's Map? 3) Of all the storylines in GoF, I thought the twins/Bagman one could have been developed more. That's all I can think of for now. Next post--Quidditch! Ebony AKA AngieJ (who wants to crack the top 20 posters by Christmas--it won't happen, though--waaaaah!) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6048 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6042] Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 5:06 pm (ET) > The best bathroom scene is still in GoF. I don't believe for a minute that Myrtle closed her eyes. Poooooor Myrtle... Was Myrtle old enough to particularly care what she saw? Can HP ghosts be laid to rest by fixing whatever problem made them ghosts? It would be nice if poor unhappy Myrtle were laid to rest. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6049 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6044] Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 5:08 pm (ET) > This was funny! But I had a gross thought later on, when Myrtle mentioned that she sometimes ended up in the lake with the contents of the toilet. Then I thought about the four Champions and their unconscious friends swimming around in a lake filled with sewage from the castle.... URP! Not a pretty picture. Yes! It is to be hoped that there is a magical lake-cleaning monster (genetically engineered bacteria, anyone?) hanging around the sewer outlet! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6050 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6047] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 5:15 pm (ET) > Questions I have about the twins--series SPOILERS throughout. a* b* c* d* e* f g h i > 1) Is there a way to distinguish Fred's personality from George's? I know that someone pointed out recently that Fred had a date to the Yule Ball and George didn't, but that doesn't mean much. It has been pointed out that just because we didn't SEE George's date to the Yule Ball doesn't mean he didn't HAVE one. > 2) How *did* the twins end up with the Marauders' Map? In PoA, they told Harry that they had been caught by Filch and taken to the dreaded Filch office and Filch had been distracted so they looked through all his desk drawers where he kept confiscated items. I am more curious how they figured out how to OPERATE the Marauders' Map -- learning the command to turn it on and the command to turn it off and verifying its accuracy and safety must have taken a lot of investigative magic. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:21:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6051 From: selah_1977 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6047] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 5:21 pm (ET) Talking about the twins makes me want to talk about... QUIDDITCH! First, let me begin by saying that I'm crazy about Quidditch. You'll think I'm insane, but the #1 thing I envy the wizarding world after invisibility cloaks is their broomsticks. (I'll settle for a pilot's license as soon as I can afford lessons.) I strained my brain trying to think of a way to simulate it Muggle-style during our end-of-theme HP party and failed. Quidditch next year and beyond (if there IS Quidditch--there's more important things to worry about now): ROSTER The twins should be co-captains. Or perhaps one of the 2 or 3 veteran chasers. I think it would be nice if Ron was selected as the new Gryffindor Keeper in Book 5. Since it's all settled that Hermione will be a prefect (actually, it would be *quite interesting* to me if somehow she didn't make prefect--let the girl fail at something, please, besides hokey Divination!), Ron needs more prominence. He's still too much a sidekick--I think he needs to have a storyline of his own. All of the class we've been following at Hogwarts needs to begin to assume some prominence. I thought that Alicia, Angelina, and Katie were in their year, but it seemed to me while reading GoF that Angelina may have been a seventh year since she's seventeen. However, I think someone posted a few days ago that the cutoff for British schools is September 1... meaning she is probably in the twins' class. If she isn't, either Dean or Seamus should become Chaser. Yes, I like Neville as much as the next person, but he's not a realistic choice. STRATEGY Hufflepuff may have recruited some good players in recent years. But Ced's death was a major blow to that house... I'm not sure how they'll turn out. Slyterin has sneaky Malfoy, who is a cheat, and who may actually be made Captain in Book 5. With no end to the conflict between S and G in sight, this'll still make an interesting match. Ravenclaw may be the wild card. We don't know much about their team, except Cho Chang, who I'm guessing might be captain. I think she and her team could actually win a game against Gryffindor--especially if she's still a distraction to the Seeker. <g> Having said all that, I think that a team with the three Weasleys, Harry, and Alicia-Angelina-Katie would sweep their games under the best circumstances (which JKR never gives them) and would be a shoe-in for the Quidditch Cup (which JKR may decide not to write in for the second book) in a row. If only Muggle sports were this fun... Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6052 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6024] Re: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 5:21 pm (ET) > The back cover of the non-adult UK paperback Philosopher's Stone has changed since it was first published. My daughter's copy (bought within the first few weeks of publication in paperback) depicts the fellow shown in the Photos section - Who is this guy? When my daughter bought me my own copy for my birthday earlier this year the picture had been changed for one more recognisably Dumbledore - don't you get fed up with llustrators who have not read the book? We had a big discussion about those two pictures a while back (Dumbledore doesn't DRESS like the replacement guy with Dumbledore's head) and someone, I think it was babyNick, actually asked the publisher and was told that the first picture was supposed to be just a generic wizard, but it caused so much confusion that they changed it to a picture of Dumbledore. I bought Tim the audiocassettes (he listens to books on audiocassette in the car) of all four books so he could learn what it is that I am always talking about and he is in CoS just where Fudge comes to take poor Hagrid away to Azkaban. There is a description there of Fudge's clothing (pinstripe suit, scarlet tie, long black coat, purple pointy boots, lime green bowler hat) that caused Tim to say: The guy on the back cover is Fudge!! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:23:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 (correction) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6053 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 (correction) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6051] Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:23 pm (ET) I said: "I thought that Alicia, Angelina, and Katie were in their year" right after a post about Ron and Hermione. What I mean is that I thought they were in the twins' year. (BTW, Dogspoon, thanks for sharing your pics. ;)) Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:33:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Has anyone else noticed... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6054 From: selah_1977 Subject: Has anyone else noticed... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6051] Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:33 pm (ET) ...that the only two classes we've actually observed the Sortings of are the current (as of Book 5) Second Years and Fifth Years? Time is taken away from narration, just as in SS, to call the names and houses of many of these students. This makes me wonder if the class that entered Hogwarts in Book 4 is somehow important. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who had to explain to her sister and mother why she was HOWLING over an HP Internet chat... they're contemplating checking me into a mental hospital) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:34:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6055 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6051] Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:34 pm (ET) > First, let me begin by saying that I'm crazy about Quidditch.(snip) I strained my brain trying to think of a way to simulate it Muggle-style during our end-of-theme HP party and failed. On Harry Potter Anonymous, message #615 was: From: Tara Hoopes <tahmac at e...> Date: Tue Feb 8, 2000 4:20pm Subject: Re: Quidditch My students and I played quidditch last year with six hula hoops, a golf ball, two foam soccer balls, and a kickball. We had the same players but the beaters went around throwing the foam soccer balls at the chasers. The chasers are kicking the kickball around trying to get them throught the hula hoops. Every time a chaser got hit, the team lost two points. A goal through one of the hula hoops was worth fifteen points. We never quite figured out how to use the golf ball best. We tried hiding it and the seekers couldn't look for it until we'd played ten minutes. Then we tried someone throwing it in suddenly in the middle of the game. It was worth fifty points. It takes several scorekeepers, and is very confusing, but that's how my kiddos planned it. They loved it. (Catlady back again: My friend Lee said that all the children who are not on the two teams should stand around the pitch throwing the Snitch to each other, like keep-away.) From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:34:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6056 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Dogspoon's Pics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6021] Re: Dogspoon's Pics Date: 8/7/00 5:34 pm (ET) Could someone repost the link to the illustrations? I can't find one in the original post. Thanks! ~Joy~ From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:36:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6057 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6024] Re: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 5:36 pm (ET) How did you happen to see all of the different covers? Sounds interesting! ~Joy~ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:39:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6058 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6055] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:39 pm (ET) Wow, thanks, Rita! Oh, but what I wouldn't *give* for a broomstick... Ebony AKA AngieJ From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:40:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6059 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6057] Re: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 5:40 pm (ET) <How did you happen to see all of the different covers? Sounds interesting!> You can view by going to the photo section on the page. If you to the side under the words "Our Pages" YMEK From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:41:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:41:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks, and something else as well.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6060 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Thanks, and something else as well.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6036] Re: Thanks, and something else as well.. Date: 8/7/00 5:41 pm (ET) <<I don't like Yahoo's format (I pay by the minute when I'm online, so I like a Newsgroup or Email-list format a lot better) but the people around here more than make up for it.>> You can get Yahoo Clubs messages in your e-mail. Just click on Messages, and there should be a link near the top that says "Click here to change your message settings". It makes reading the messages much easier, and quicker. ~Joy~ From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:44:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6061 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6058] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:44 pm (ET) <Oh, but what I wouldn't *give* for a broomstick...> And flying balls. There got to be a way to create the game with flying balls and moving faster. YMEK From salter15 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:50:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6062 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Dogspoon's Pics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6056] Re: Dogspoon's Pics Date: 8/7/00 5:50 pm (ET) They are in the photo album. Janet From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:54:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6063 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6058] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 5:54 pm (ET) <Oh, but what I wouldn't *give* for a broomstick...> I did think of one think. It's not a flying broom but...... I don't know if you have seen the motorized scooters.(http://www.extremescooters.com/images/) They could be a replacement. You would still be on the ground but you go alot faster and it would add a little more adventure to the game. Now all we need is flying balls. YMEK From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:54:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's Pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6064 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Dogspoon's Pics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6062] Re: Dogspoon's Pics Date: 8/7/00 5:54 pm (ET) Thanks guys! I feel reeeally stupid now. I'm not used to Yahoo Clubs. ~Joy~ From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:55:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6065 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Chat Reply To: [Yahoo! #5988] Re: Chat Date: 8/7/00 5:55 pm (ET) Well, there was a deep discussion about dirty socks with strange meats stuck inside to describe a new version of Haggis. The Flying Ford Man explained how British desserts can be made for eating or to lubricate your bearings on the rear axle of your car. To disguise the secret ingredients of these desserts, they give them strange names like "Spotted Dick" which makes them so much more appealing to the senses! I believe we fully explained the difference between Britain, Scotland, England, N. Ireland, and a few small islands. It appears England claims them all under the name United Kingdom. It appears that the Scots are about to create a new assembly which implies that if you are going to be a country in the 21st century, some assembly is required. The discussion of who should be killed off in the next book was discussed. I hope Lucius gets it ! Then some discussion of what makes a ghost a ghost. I frankly think that JKR has opened herself up to using those portkeys to change locations at will. We could have Harry and the gang zipping off to Paris for breakfast on the weekends. With a timeturner, they could even do a little site seeing. Anyway. That was my first chat experience and I truly enjoyed it. I actually took over the ID of my wife, so I felt at ease saying anything I wanted to. :0) Sorry if anyone suffered for it ! From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 21:56:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:56:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6066 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5967] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/7/00 5:56 pm (ET) Alan Rickman is too old for Snape. Snape is probably 40 tops, because he was a contemporary of James Potter, who had Harry pretty young. Rickman's talents and persona are perfect for the part, though. If the movie was being animated or radio, he'd be the perfect voice actor. Tom Baker wasn't my choice for Dumbledore (who is thin) but he might be pretty good. Nobody seems to like my first choice, Leonard Nimoy. Ralph Fiennes should be Sirius Black. I really think somehow it would add something to take a man as handsome as Fiennes and make him look like he'd done twelve years in Azkaban. Kenneth Branagh would be a good Lupin. I'd rather have Eric Idle as Sir Cadogan, or how about him as Fudge? Speaking of old Montys, Michael Palin as Professor Binns? I think Maggie Smith will be a spot-on McGonagall. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:07:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:07:00 -0400 Subject: The Twins.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6067 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: The Twins.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6020] The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 6:07 pm (ET) Perhaps Ron could try out for the team ! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:11:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:11:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6068 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6025] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/7/00 6:11 pm (ET) How about the really tall girl in 3rd Rock from the Sun? She could be Madame Maxime ! In the sequels of course! I think John Lithgow would make a good Professor character. Perhaps not a lead, but maybe a Lupin ? What do you guys think ! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology (was:Casting for Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6069 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chronology (was:Casting for Reply To: [Yahoo! #6066] Re: Casting for Dumbledore, etc Date: 8/7/00 6:16 pm (ET) > Alan Rickman is too old for Snape. Snape is probably 40 tops, because he was a contemporary of James Potter, who had Harry pretty young. I have been asked to explain what in the JKR gives me the belief that James and Lily had Harry pretty young, probably only 19 or 20 years old (like my goddaughter's parents had her), and I can't explain it. Can you explain it for me?o From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:17:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6070 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6068] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/7/00 6:17 pm (ET) John Lithgow is way too old for Lupin. Lupin is only about 40 years old, the same as Snape, Sirius Black, and the late James Potter. If James Potter was 25 when he and Lily had Harry, he'd only have been 39 at the time of Goblet of Fire. All of those men I mentioned were contemporaries at Hogwarts, within a year or so, and so they'd only be about 40 years old now. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:18:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: Gloucester Cathedral as Hogwarts! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6071 From: Danemead Subject: Gloucester Cathedral as Hogwarts! Date: 8/7/00 6:18 pm (ET) Monday August 7 5:39 PM ET British Cathedral Signs Up for Harry Potter Film LONDON (Reuters) - Britain's 900-year-old Gloucester Cathedral is to be transformed into Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry for a film based on the Harry Potter bestsellers. The cathedral, with its striking Gothic spires and vaulted cloisters, has signed a deal with Warner Bros who are making the first film based on the schoolboy wizard's adventures. The Dean of Gloucester, the very Reverend Nicholas Bury, told The London Times: ``Gloucester is one of the most beautiful cathedrals and its friendliness and human scale have often been remarked upon. It is an atmospheric place.'' Gloucester has stepped in where Canterbury Cathedral feared to tread. ``We did not think the books posed problems. But other people might take offence and so we had to say no,'' said Christopher Robinson, spokesman for the Dean of Canterbury. ''The imagery of witches and warlocks might upset Christians.'' REUTER http://gloucestercathedral.uk.com/ http://www.softdata.co.uk/gloucester/cathedral.htm From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:19:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: Readers are everywhere Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6072 From: triner2001 Subject: Readers are everywhere Date: 8/7/00 6:19 pm (ET) First of all, I really wish I had stuck around more yesterday at the chat. Evidently conversation took twisted turns. Next Sunday the wash will be done before chat time! Also this morning as I was leaving the drive of my apartment complex I saw two chidren waiting for the school bus. The little girl was looking very sleepy, but the boy next to her was reading something. Since today is the 1st day of school, I wondered what on earth he could be reading. When I drew up alongside them I noted the thickness of the book and the tell-tale green of a certain book jacket. Yes siree bob, he was halfway through GoF! I very nearly rolled the window down to ask if he was enjoying it, but restrained myself. I didn't want to interrupt such important business! Trina From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:20:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6073 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6038] Twins... Date: 8/7/00 6:20 pm (ET) >What are the odds that the twins will make it as practical jokers in the real world (aka, outside Hogwarts)? Do you think that there is a big market for that? < We have an opening in the US. The job must be filled by early November. The two main guys applying right now are Al and George W. From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:24:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: The Twins.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6074 From: jferer Subject: Re: The Twins.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6067] Re: The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 6:24 pm (ET) Sure Ron should try out! I think he would be a Beater, and one of the twins move to Keeper. (Probably best to have an experienced player for Keeper.) Apparently they don't do it that way, but the Keeper is probably best to be Captain, because he's facing and watching the action except when he's actuall making a save (just like a baseball catcher has the best view of what's going on) Actually, Harry would be good for Captain, too, because the Seeker has a good view of what's going on while he's looking for the Snitch. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:25:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6075 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6043] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/7/00 6:25 pm (ET) In resonse to the following, I think George and Fred would make excellent replacements for Q in the James Bond movies. They could work for John Cleese who appeared in the last James Bond thriller working for Q. >Someone asked in a previous message if we thought Fred & George would be successful outside of Hogwarts. I'm thinking that they'll end up Wizard Millionaires (like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates -- inventing things in their garage that turn into major business empires). It would be a nice touch to see the "jokers" who "didn't get as many O.W.L.S" as they should have, turn out to be the most financially successful in the family. They've got a wealthy private investor (Harry) to bankroll their startup, and I'm hoping they are a roaring success. They may also find a use for their inventing talents in the upcoming fights against Voldemort -- but maybe I'm thinking a little too much of James Bond and his gadgets? < From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:31:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:31:00 -0400 Subject: French Words Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6076 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: French Words Date: 8/7/00 6:31 pm (ET) Yesterday I made my friend Lee up things up in her various English-French dictionaries. My conclusion is that the French edition surely says 'sorcier' for 'wizard' and 'sorciere' for 'witch' and 'sortileges' for 'spells', and I can't *imagine* what they say for 'warlock'. Also, 'wand' is baguette and 'staff' is 'baton'. I really should go look up the names of the different loaves of French bread to confirm whether a baton is bigger than a baguette. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:32:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: The Twins.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6077 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: The Twins.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6045] Re: The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 6:32 pm (ET) >Is that a pun on some real life (tm) candy? Anyway, what the trick candy causes is a temporary Transfiguration, which implies that they were experts in Transfiguration if only they had bothered to turn in the homework and write essaays on the written exams.< Excuse me. Are you a teacher or a mother? These guys are essence of modern entrepreneurs! People who spend all their time studying and doing the right thing end up working for guys like these! I know because I'm one of the guys who studied all the time! Two of the greatest minds in Physics did not do well in school when they were young. There names are Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein. Their minds did not conform to the classroom structure so well. Anyway. Give a little elbow room for the creative types too ! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:34:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:34:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 and the Twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6078 From: triner2001 Subject: Chapter 5 and the Twins Date: 8/7/00 6:34 pm (ET) Since Dee has finished GoF, are we done with spoiler space or do continue with them? J U S T I N C A S E I love the parts when Harry is wrapped up in the bosom of the Weasley family. It's his only chance to be parented and loved on (by Molly Weasley at least) and that's something he never gets at home with the Dursleys. And the W's always treat him like any other kid, not like he's the *famous Harry Potter* (which he is, of course). Harry needs to be accepted for simply himself, a boy facing growing up. I also love the description of of day-to-day wizarding life, from Bill & Charlie setting the tables to Molly using her wand to make dinner. (Gee, I could use that trick!) The conversation at the dinner table could be any large family gathering-Muggle or Wizard. I was going to discuss Gred and Forge, but will do in another post... Trina From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology (was:Casting for Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6079 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chronology (was:Casting for Reply To: [Yahoo! #6069] Re: Chronology (was:Casting for Date: 8/7/00 6:42 pm (ET) >>>I have been asked to explain what in the JKR gives me the belief that James and Lily had Harry pretty young, probably only 19 or 20 years old (like my goddaughter's parents had her), and I can't explain it. Can you explain it for me?<<<<< In Chapter 4 of PS/SS, Aunt Petunia says of Lily, "Then she met that Potter at school and they left and got married and had you..." Which almost makes it sound as if they got married when they were just 17 or 18, straight out of school. That was my impression, anyway. I almost might believe that they didn't even finish school, from the way Petunia speaks, but since they were Head Boy and Head Girl, they must at least have been seniors/7th Year students. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:44:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6080 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6047] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 6:44 pm (ET) How *did* the twins end up with the Marauder's Map I can answer that, and it's not officially a spoiler. They mentioned being dragged into Filch's office, and low and behold it was in the filing cabinet drawer marked confiscated items or some such title. They lifted it and no one was ever the wiser (except perhaps Snape now! LOL!) From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:48:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: Gred and Forge Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6081 From: triner2001 Subject: Gred and Forge Date: 8/7/00 6:48 pm (ET) I have thought of them as such since Christmas in Book 1 when they comment on Mum's putting initials on their sweaters "...But we're not stupid--we know we're called Gred and Forge." I giggle everytime I read that line. I love the twins. They are such a good contrast to Percy's pompous perfectionism and Ron's best friend status. Granted, I can't think of them separately, as we never see them as two separate entities. This was why, in days before Book 4, weh wild rumors were flying around that one of the twins would die, I was highly nervous. To me that would have been a damaging death. I do think they will be the richest of the Weasleys and that Mum will come 'round to their pov, especially after Fudge's fabulous imitation of an ostrich. I don't think she'll be as keen on them working for the MoM. They wouldn't fit there anyway. I never gave a thought to what they *would* do after Hogwarts, but operating a joke shop is right up their Diagon Alley. Just my 2 knuts. Trina, who wants to increase her standing in the posting stats. <grin> From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:49:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:49:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6082 From: jferer Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 6:49 pm (ET) I've long been perplexed by the question of how many students there actually are at Hogwarts. A lot of people think there's ten in each year at each house, but I don't think that makes sense. What do we know? 1. There are five Gryffindor boys in Harry's year. 2. A magical quill writes the name of a magical baby in a book at the time of its birth; Prof. McGonagall checks the book and writes letters to each when they turn eleven. 3. The Sorting Hat puts each student into the house he or she is best suited to. 4. All the first-year students take the trip from Hogsmeade station to Hogwarts in boats, while the second through seventh-years take carriages, described as about a hundred, that seat at least four each. 5. The castle is *big*. I've been in a couple of castles, not even the biggest ones, and there's a lot of space. Even accounting for places we've never seen, like the teacher's apartments, there's got to be a lot of spare space at Hogwarts, unless there's things going on there we don't know about (Dept. of Mysteries, perhaps?) What conclusions can we draw? a. We can't assume that because there are five Gryffindor boys in Harry's year that there are five of each gender in each house in each year. The number's going to vary naturally, and the Sorting Hat puts people where they belong, not by quota. b. If there are 400 students in the carriages, and they're 6/7 of the school (the first years are in the boats) then there's about 467 students. That might be conservative. If there really were five of each gender in each house in each year,[5x2x7x4] there would only be 280 students. Even at 467, Hogwarts is not a big school. They must rattle like peas in a bucket in that castle. I don't believe that JKR has ever explicitly said how many students there are. Has anybody else considered this? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:51:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6083 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6080] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 6:51 pm (ET) oops. Ok, so there is something to be said about reading posts in club....Grins. I didn't see that someone has answered already because I hadn't gotten to the email yet! Would be interested to learn how the map got into the filing cabinet, and out of the foursome's hands....and was Lily a tag along? From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:52:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:52:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6084 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6073] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 6:52 pm (ET) >>>>We have an opening in the US. The job must be filled by early November. The two main guys applying right now are Al and George W. <<<< LOL! I love the idea of having some up-front clowns in the White House, instead of old white guys who are "a few clowns short of a circus", but unfortunately, Fred & George were not born in the USA, so they don't qualify for the job! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 22:58:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:58:00 -0400 Subject: Illustrations (Dogspoon) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6085 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Illustrations (Dogspoon) Date: 8/7/00 6:58 pm (ET) Those are wonderful! Might I ask where you got the inspiration for McGonagall's outfit? It looks so right (I love medieval cloths, but my figure isn't one for the traditional ones -- I am Gypsy Caine, SCA, at your service, aka a Rom who doesn't need the tight buttoned stuff!). I just didn't recall reading it, and thought I missed it in the books. The Snape looks almost identical to my brain's. The Dumbledore, I must admit, I think of Sword in the Stone (Merlin)--Disney, and WIZARDS as templates. :) Can't wait to see more! Dee From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:03:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Married Young- James & Lily? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6086 From: jferer Subject: Married Young- James & Lily? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6079] Re: Chronology (was:Casting for Date: 8/7/00 7:03 pm (ET) I think you're right they married right out of school, but they probably both finished. JKR speaks of Percy 'leaving school' and Oliver Wood 'leaving school', so she doesn't mean 'drop out' when she says that. As for how old they were when Harry came along, Lupin is described as 'young' when Harry is thirteen. if James and Lily were 21 when they had Harry, then Lupin would be about 34-35 at the time Harry met him. [That's why I disagree with some of the casting choices for the HP movie people make, because a lot of the actors they propose are too old] From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Lucius, possible spoiler..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6087 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Lucius, possible spoiler..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6065] Re: Chat Date: 8/7/00 7:18 pm (ET) <<. I hope Lucius gets it ! Then >> o o o o o o I can't be that cruel. Harry lost his parents when he was born, and although half of me was hoping that Voldy would zap Lucius when he turned up, the other half didn't want Draco to have to go through the rest of Hogwarts fatherless. Loosing your father is very tramatic (know from experience, my father died in '98). Even though he's so mean, I can't be that awful to him! From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:20:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:20:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6088 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6073] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 7:20 pm (ET) I loved it in SS when Fred says, "I'm not Fred, I'm George. ---- Honestly, woman, you call yourself out mother? Can't you tell I'm George." Then said he was joking. When my sisters twins were younger my brother-in-law would call one over and say "Which one are you?" They are now 23 and a little easier to tell apart. I really understood how easy it is to get confused. Of course, when they were the age of Fred and George in SS, if they were dressed alike, they were planning something they didn't want the adults to now about. Diann From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:22:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6089 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #6070] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/7/00 7:22 pm (ET) John Lithgow -- there's an idea. His views on Dumbledore would be amazing! :) Dee From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:22:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Illustrations (Dogspoon) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6090 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Illustrations (Dogspoon) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6085] Illustrations (Dogspoon) Date: 8/7/00 7:22 pm (ET) I agree that the illustrations are great. You are very talented Dogspoon. I need to start working on my Hogswart again. Diann From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:24:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:24:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Forever! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6091 From: selah_1977 Subject: Quidditch Forever! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6074] Re: The Twins.... Date: 8/7/00 7:24 pm (ET) Jen wrote: "Sure Ron should try out! I think he would be a Beater, and one of the twins move to Keeper. (Probably best to have an experienced player for Keeper.)" I thought of that too, but as Wood said, the Weasley twins are "like a pair of human Bludgers themselves". If Harry could do a good job as Seeker as a first year, Ron (who's been obsessed with Quidditch all his life) could be a Keeper at 15. "Actually, Harry would be good for Captain, too, because the Seeker has a good view of what's going on while he's looking for the Snitch." WELL, Harry would be the obvious choice as of Year 6, and maybe even now. I agree with you there. But he can't do *everything*... Ebony AKA AngieJ (determined now to crack into the Posting Elite) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:26:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:26:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6092 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6073] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 7:26 pm (ET) <<<<<< >What are the odds that the twins will make it as practical jokers in the real world (aka, outside Hogwarts)? Do you think that there is a big market for that? < We have an opening in the US. The job must be filled by early November. The two main guys applying right now are Al and George W. >>>>> OH THANK YOU! I NEEDED THAT! LOL!!!!! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:29:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:29:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6093 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6092] Re: Twins... Date: 8/7/00 7:29 pm (ET) <<<<<< >What are the odds that the twins will make it as practical jokers in the real world (aka, outside Hogwarts)? Do you think that there is a big market for that? < We have an opening in the US. The job must be filled by early November. The two main guys applying right now are Al and George W. >>>>> OH THANK YOU! I NEEDED THAT! LOL!!!!! ------ Hey, fellow Americans--here's a simple solution: WRITE-IN CANDIDATES! (Too bad they're not U.S. born, and under 35.) To Fred and George Weasley--Hail to the Chiefs! Ebony AKA AngieJ From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6094 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6082] How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 7:36 pm (ET) <<. A magical quill writes the name of a magical baby in a book at the time of its birth; Prof. McGonagall checks the book and writes letters to each when they turn eleven.>> Where did you get that line? *Wonders if she missed something again in the books???? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:52:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: determined now to crack into the Posting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6095 From: GypsyCaine Subject: determined now to crack into the Posting Reply To: [Yahoo! #6091] Quidditch Forever! Date: 8/7/00 7:52 pm (ET) elite.... sighs. Now, look what you've done! You've created a monster!!! They all want to be Neil! Grins. Dee From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: Volunteers --- FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6096 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Volunteers --- FAQs Date: 8/7/00 7:56 pm (ET) Hi -- Since it doesn't look like all the volunteers have subscribed to the egroups that Melanie created, I thought I'd post the initial thoughts here. We're stuck with groups of 350 messages each -- hope that's okay. Let me know if this seems too much for you, and you want to back out. Here are the initial assignments -- 1 - 350 GypsyCaine (Dee) 351 - 700 Scrimmers99 701 - 1050 Anne in Chicago 1051 - 1400 Sam D.D. 1401 - 1750 Diann Recla 1751 - 2100 Joy0823 2101 - 2450 Arawa (Anna) 2451 - 2800 Smitster (Paul) 2800 - 3150 Heiditandy (Heidi) 3151 - 3500 Joywitch 3501 - 3850 Selah_1977 (Ebony) 3851 - 4200 Sarvalsha (Margaret) 4201 - 4550 Hert0661 (Simon) 4501 - 4900 flying_ford_anglia (Neil) 4901 - 5250 Triner2001 (Trina) 5251 - 5600 Siriusgeologist (Carole) 5601 - 5950 Ravenclawlady (Melanie) 5951 -- present Me (I figure I'll have more than 350 by the time we're done with the FAQs) Please join the HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com as soon as possible. Send me a message there if (a) you need to bow out because of the heavy load, and (b) let me know if you'd prefer to have a list of topics we'd definitely like covered or if you'd rather just figure it out on your own as you go through your message group. Thanks again!!!!! Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:58:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6097 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6094] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 7:58 pm (ET) Here is a more profound question than that.... Considering how much trouble Harry had, how do the 'sports' - the wizards from all-Muggle families, like Hermione, find Platform 9-3/4? And how do they get into Diagon Alley to fetch their school supplies? Do their letters include more detailed instructions than Harry's did? Or are the met by a mentor? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 23:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: "What to Read Next" FAQ -- Skimmel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6098 From: plinsenmayer Subject: "What to Read Next" FAQ -- Skimmel Date: 8/7/00 7:58 pm (ET) Hi -- Skimmel -- all the volunteers will be making notes of what's been suggested to "Read Next." Once all the notes are compiled, the committee will email you the notes & you can create that FAQ for us. Thanks!!! Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:01:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:01:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6099 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6082] How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 8:01 pm (ET) > I've long been perplexed by the question of how many students there actually are at Hogwarts. When the FAQ project is completed, there will DEFINITELY be a long section on this question. In my opinion there are approximately 120-150 students in each year for a total student body between 800 and 1000. I believe that Hogwarts is the only wizarding school for all of Britain and Ireland (I had believed that Ireland had its own wizarding school until JKR said otherwise in an interview). I believe that wizards have an average lifespan of 100 years (rather than the Muggle 75) [altho' that average was probably lowered by V's massacres]. If 120-150 wizard children were born each year times lifespan 100 years, the total wizarding population of Britain and Ireland would be 12,000 to 15,000, which sounds about right. Also, a large portion of the population would be old people (in their wizarding prime), which explains why so *many* wizards have long white beards. There are five boys in Harry's dormitory but that is not all the Gryffindor boys of his year: there are more than one dormitory for House/year/gender, but max of six people per dorm. The Sorting Hat, having looked inside each student's head, decides whom they should room with, and notifies the rooms in their House, which magically arrange themselves to have the right number of beds and a sign on the doors with the occupants' names. The fictional Hogwarts has only 280 students, average of 5 boys and 5 girls per House per year, because when JKR was making a novel out of the historical facts, she thought it would be too confusing to have so many characters. No doubt some of the characters are really a combination of several real people who each played a minor part in Harry's saga. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:03:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:03:00 -0400 Subject: determined now to crack into the Pos Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6100 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: determined now to crack into the Pos Reply To: [Yahoo! #6095] determined now to crack into the Posting Date: 8/7/00 8:03 pm (ET) > They all want to be Neil! Not that they aren't all smart and witty to start with, but if they all became Neil, it would surely increase the amount of wittiness in the world. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:10:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:10:00 -0400 Subject: Sports (??) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6101 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Sports (??) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6097] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 8:10 pm (ET) Not familiar with the word, but it's a very good question. I thought of it back when I read book one, and promptly forgot it as I progressed further into the book (it got too good, lol! it chased it out of my brain!). Keeping fingers crossed someone will answer this one! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:12:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:12:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6102 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6097] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 8:12 pm (ET) > Considering how much trouble Harry had, how do the 'sports' - the wizards from all-Muggle families, like Hermione, find Platform 9-3/4? And how do they get into Diagon Alley to fetch their school supplies? Do their letters include more detailed instructions than Harry's did? Or are the met by a mentor? That's another topic that will need a long FAQ. I think they get a much more detailed letter than Harry did -- it tells how to get to Platform 9 3/4, and how to find the Leaky Cauldron, and where on Diagon Alley to change their Muggle money to wizard money, and which shops to buy their stuff in. The first time, they tell the barman at the Leaky Cauldron that they're new students for Hogwarts and he leads them out back and taps the bricks with his wand -- on future visits, they have their own wands. I think the letter was instituted by Dumbledore as part of his program of outreach to the Muggle-born and don't know how Muggle-born students got their school stuff before Dumbledore. I think that either Harry didn't get that letter because he isn't Muggle-born (which would be the kind of stupid bureaucratic error that one hates to think could happen on Dumbledore's watch, and Dumbledore rectified by sending Hagrid to fetch Harry). Or Harry had to be fetched by Hagrid for Harry's own safety so why bother with the letter. Or possibly the information as in the letter that Dumbledore left with the Dursleys... From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:18:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6103 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6102] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/7/00 8:18 pm (ET) >and where on Diagon Alley to change their Muggle money to wizard money, Thank you for anticipating my next question. :-) A sport is the individual critter which/who has a change in gene, i.e. a mutation. Charles Wallace describes himself as one in _A Wrinkle in Time_. My next question after *this* is, in the wizarding economy, is there tuition for Hogwarts? Is it paid by automatic withdrawal from the accounts at Gringotts? :-) Do some wizardly kids get merit scholarships? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:27:00 -0400 Subject: Copied errors and all Memorial for a Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6104 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Copied errors and all Memorial for a Date: 8/7/00 8:27 pm (ET) terrific actor! <<hey everyone, tonight when you go to sleep, include the ex jedi Obi wan kanobi, incase you were living in a cave on mars ..or at school, alec guinness dies today, he was 86.>> From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:47:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:47:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter as Stage Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6105 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #5979] Harry Potter as Stage Play Date: 8/7/00 8:47 pm (ET) I know this is from yesterday, but I've been out of town since the 3rd, and am just catching up on messages... When I was in college, I took a class called Rise & Fall of the Great American Musical - 1895 through 1991 (that was the year I took it) - our final project was to write a musical based on a work of literature or a movie (I and 2 friends did When Harry met Sally (can you guess which song was only scales, no actual words?)) and since then it's been a hobby of mine to turn books or stories or movies into musicals, using rewritten songs- regular radio songs & broadway tunes - I've been working on a Harry Potter one, just the first book, basically, but with more stuff we've learned from the later books in there in various dream sequences & asides - I will post it somewhere when it's done - but it, at this point, involves a LOT from The Secret Garden (and not just because both of the mothers of the lead boys are named Lily), and a little of The Who's Tommy (imagine Draco as Tommy's Cousin, whose name I'm forgetting). For purposes of magic, there's some Into The Woods. And since I hate the song Castle on a Cloud more than anything in the world, that will NOT be there, no matter how appropriater my sister says it is for the Harry In The Cuboard portion. In my mind it works. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 00:50:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 20:50:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6106 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #6035] Re: Percy Date: 8/7/00 8:50 pm (ET) He showed a different side of himself when he went in the water after Ron,after the second challenge, I got that he does care about him. He wasn't worried about how he would appear then, just getting his brother to safety. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:07:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers (was: Dogspoon, gently Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6107 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Teachers (was: Dogspoon, gently Reply To: [Yahoo! #6002] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Date: 8/7/00 9:07 pm (ET) > So very little is said about most of the subjects at Hogwarts (snip) there is actually a lot missing from the "daily lives" of Hogwarts students. I've never got a sense of the students "timetable", other than that (I think, from memory) astronomy is at the top of the tallest tower at midnight on wednesdays Considering that there are seven years of students and in each year there are four Houses and some of the classes have students from one year and one House and some of the classes have students from one year and two Houses, some people wondered if there are enough hours in the day for each teacher to teach all the classes in his/her subject without a time-turner, even if non-classroom tasks like lesson plans and grading homework were done by magic. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: Musicals with cat (was HP stageplay) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6108 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Musicals with cat (was HP stageplay) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6010] Re: Harry Potter as Stage Play (off top) Date: 8/7/00 9:13 pm (ET) No REAL cat would be willing to work in a musical. A couple of years ago, a pet food company had a contest in a Downtown Park for the cat or dog with the most beautiful voice, to be their new spokespet. I did NOT enter my little black cat Taliesin (named for his beautiful singing) because he would have thought it was Hell piled upon Hell to be 1) put in a cage (carrier)!, 2) taken to a strange place!, 3) with strange people!, and 4) dogs! From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:18:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6109 From: Rip_Washington Subject: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:18 pm (ET) I managed to ignore the HP phenomenon until 3 weeks ago when my Mom mentioned it as a possible selection for my 8 year old daughter. It was only until Karyn (my daughter) mentioned it herself that I decided to see what this was about. Upon seeing the stacks of books at my local book store, I knew immediatedly that I wasn't spending $25 for a book Karyn was unlikely to read. I DID, however, purchase Book 1 for the economical price of about $7, thinking I would lose nothing if the book went unread. Sure enough, I noticed Book 1 lay unread where Karyn had left it when I initially gave it to her, so I picked it up to leaf through the pages. I wanted to see if the material was too hard for her to read. I remember thinking that the British names and terminology might be a tad difficult for her. Before I knew it, I found myself drawn into ths wonderful story. I couldn't put it down! It reminds a me a little of "The Lord of the Rings" and "Way of the Peaceful Warrior". My wife kidded me that I bought the book for myself under the guise of buying it for Karyn. She neglected to mention that she, too, was under the HP spell, reading the book secretly in the bathroom. Well, I returned to the store a few days later for Book 2, and purchased 3 and 4 this past Friday. I finished Book 4 Sunday and I'm waiting for my a chance to steal 3 from my wife. My concern is this: As much as I enjoyed Book 4, I notice the tone is becoming increasingly dark. I wonder how the children who've completed this book have reacted to it. Are any parents concerned that the series may be turning a bit too violent? I'd hate to over react and deprive my daughter from such a marvelous series. Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:20:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:20:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6110 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6015] Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 9:20 pm (ET) >>>Somebody posted recently that they were suprised that there was no "Bathroom Scenes" (excuse the expression). <<< I'm sorry, but I do not really wish to hear about the Hogwarts gang going to the bathroom, washing up, etc. It's not as interesting as the other things they do. That's why the American version of "Big Brother" is so damn boring. ~Kaitlin From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:22:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:22:00 -0400 Subject: The Club Index Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6111 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: RE: The Club Index Reply To: [Yahoo! #6017] RE: The Club Index Date: 8/7/00 9:22 pm (ET) Penny...how many messages do I (ReinaKata02) have? I haven't been able to access the index. Muchas gracias, Kaitlin From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:24:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Books from around the world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6112 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Books from around the world Reply To: [Yahoo! #6052] Re: Books from around the world Date: 8/7/00 9:24 pm (ET) I have always though t that the man on the back of PS was Fudge, wxcept for the fact that Fudge wasn't in book one...Hmmm, I agree it was a pretty bad Dumbledore. Talk about Ugly- The Harry on the Iceland Edition, looks more like Dudley if you ask me!! From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:31:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6113 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6061] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 9:31 pm (ET) While I yearn for a broomstick, I doubt it seriously, oh and don't you think that they would be uncomfortable to ride on??? Hehehe.. Well flyinf balls could be done, possibly but what we really need is anti-gravity, maybeif we all trained to be astronauts we could go and play Qudditch on the Moon... Errr, what was I thinking. From mcewans_quine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:39:00 2000 From: mcewans_quine at yahoo.com (mcewans_quine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: Well.... another parent addicted! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6114 From: mcewans_quine Subject: Well.... another parent addicted! Date: 8/7/00 9:39 pm (ET) I adore Harry Potter and am quite pleased that there is his own little fan club here for we who are still young at heart! Annie From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:39:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6115 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:39 pm (ET) >Upon seeing the stacks of books at my local book > store, I knew immediatedly that I wasn't spending > $25 for a book.... Since the following is more like "consumer advocacy," I don't think it is a disqualified post for advertizing. I have found that the best prices for the books in the US are at (1) Sam's Clubs and (2) Barnes & Noble, where the first three books and the tapes are nominally 40% off - plus GoF is essentially half off at Sam's. Borders is, I think, still selling GoF at 40% off, but normally sells first three at 30% off. CD's are full price at Borders; tapes I don't remember if there is a discount at Borders. From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:40:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6116 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6048] Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/7/00 9:40 pm (ET) >Was Myrtle old enough to particularly care what >she saw? Myrtle at least still acts like a young, emoptional teenager so I'd be that she would have cared and even had she covered her eyes for Harry, you can bet that she probably didn't for everyone! >Can HP ghosts be laid to rest by fixing whatever >problem made them ghosts? It would be nice if >poor unhappy Myrtle were laid to rest. I don't really know about that, but I'm wondering what changes things to make some HP characters when they die ghosts and some not. It's commonly thought of as 'unfinished business', but is there a greater unfinished business than looking over your newborn son who is going to live with his Muggle relatives and has the wrath of a very powerful Dark Wizard to face someday? And I want to know more about Peeves' history. I'd like to know what happened with him. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:41:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: Gloucester Cathedral as Hogwarts! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6117 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Gloucester Cathedral as Hogwarts! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6071] Gloucester Cathedral as Hogwarts! Date: 8/7/00 9:41 pm (ET) I was Wondering about the whole Cathedral Theme! I think that the Nave of a Cathedral is the best place to film "Great Hall" Scenes, Where is this Cathedral? In Gloucester I would guess. I wonder how they will explain all the statues of saints that Adorn the churches...Former Headmasters, I WOULD like to see them all coming and going! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms & Moaning Myrtle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6118 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Bathrooms & Moaning Myrtle Date: 8/7/00 9:44 pm (ET) Hi: <<<The best bathroom scene is still in GoF. I don't believe for a minute that Myrtle closed her eyes. Poooooor Myrtle...>>> ROFL!!! I'm with you on that one Ebony -- I think Miss Myrtle was lying to Harry for sure. :) Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6119 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6113] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 9:44 pm (ET) On the subject of a 'playable' (muggle) Quidditch, it occurs to me that a souped-up Ice Hockey game would be as good as anything for a sensation of flying.... Canadian H.P. fans should maybe take this as a project to investigate! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:47:00 -0400 Subject: No More Spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6120 From: plinsenmayer Subject: No More Spoilers Date: 8/7/00 9:47 pm (ET) Hi: Dee (GypsyCaine) has finished GoF. A couple of days ago, I asked if anyone else had any objections to discontinuing spoilers at this time. Hearing none -- I hereby declare that we need no longer fool with GoF spoilers! <vbg> If *anyone* does object, let's hear about it and we can reinstate them. But, as far as I can tell, we can discontinue them (which should make most of us quite happy indeed). Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:48:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: Where to get Harry for cheap... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6121 From: selah_1977 Subject: Where to get Harry for cheap... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6115] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:48 pm (ET) >>I have found that the best prices for the books in the US are at (1) Sam's Clubs... YES! You can't beat the first three hardcovers for 10 bucks, and GoF for twelve. For the books on tape, I purchased a talking book subscription and am enjoying them this way. It's cheaper than buying each of the taped sets twice over--I have home and class sets of everything. <Sigh> Kidlit fandom can be very, very expensive. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who now wants the bookends she heard about in chat in duplicate for her neat little classroom library and for her home office) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:51:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:51:00 -0400 Subject: What to Read Next Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6122 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: What to Read Next Reply To: [Yahoo! #6098] "What to Read Next" FAQ -- Skimmel Date: 8/7/00 9:51 pm (ET) While it is a totally non-fantasy book (in the sense of no magic): a delightfully fun book, set in English public schools, which might resonate with some readers, is good old Rudyard Kipling's _Stalky and Co._: quite hilarious. For a sweet vision of the same thing, from the teacher's POV, there is always James Hilton of _Lost Horizon_ fame: _Goodbye, Mr. Chips_. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:52:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6123 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6119] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 9:52 pm (ET) "On the subject of a 'playable' (muggle) Quidditch, it occurs to me that a souped-up Ice Hockey game would be as good as anything for a sensation of flying.... Canadian H.P. fans should maybe take this as a project to investigate!" This MUST be why I like Quidditch so much... we're hockey crazy in this state. Too darn close to Canada for our own good, I guess. ;) Ebony AKA AngieJ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: Weasley Musings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6124 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Weasley Musings Date: 8/7/00 9:52 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I think this is also the first time that Hermione has stayed with the Weasleys? I would really like to see more of Hermione's parents -- however do they cope with having a witch daughter in their Muggle world?>>> I'd also like to see more of Hermione & her parents & her life outside Hogwarts. So says Hermione's biggest fan . . . . <<<Someone asked in a previous message if we thought Fred & George would be successful outside of Hogwarts. I'm thinking that they'll end up Wizard Millionaires (like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates -- inventing things in their garage that turn into major business empires). It would be a nice touch to see the "jokers" who "didn't get as many O.W.L.S" as they should have, turn out to be the most financially successful in the family. They've got a wealthy private investor (Harry) to bankroll their startup, and I'm hoping they are a roaring success. They may also find a use for their inventing talents in the upcoming fights against Voldemort -- but maybe I'm thinking a little too much of James Bond and his gadgets? It would be a cool twist!>>> I think the twins will be wildly successful. For one thing, I think they're much much brighter than they credit for. They figured out to work the Marauder's Map & how to get into the kitchens & all the ways to sneak out of the castle. They're pretty sharp I'd say. I like the James Bond gadgets idea! Cool . . . . Penny From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:54:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6125 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:54 pm (ET) Hi! I'm not a parent, but I was at a JKR book signing </gloat> - and after UNSUCCESFULLY (sorry about spelling) trying to strike up conversation to these moody yanks (DTTTWW) - I started talking to these little 8 year old kids. They were im awe of me, when I told them I was up until 4 am fiishing it, after discussing how they could stay up that late (they came up with eating raw coffee, and using matches to keep their eyes open - bless 'em) - and which was their favourite book, and how one girl had a pristine condition first print PoS - they were snatched away to do interviews with a local television station (apparently I wasn't cute enough). I started thinking; these kids are going to shat themselves after reading this book. But then I thought about it. 1) Kids reading this from the start started at about 8, and are now 12 2) Kids stories are pretty gruesome anyway. I mean: Rohld Dahl = People glued to trees etc. What about Kids putting witches into ovens.. 3) we're not as soft asyou think we are (grrrr....) I think if the book is scary - they will probably come back to them. Maybe screen the books? After all - they do encourage drug taking, devil worshipping, and WORST OF ALL - Wicca (gasp) :-) I don't know what point I am trying to make... Maybe go through Gof Turning Crucius into Ouchious or something? Also - anyone even looked at my Snape post? Grrr... Nicholas PS> Penny - How is my Spelling, ounctuation and Grammar? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:57:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6126 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Quidditch Date: 8/7/00 9:57 pm (ET) Hi: <<<So I am more interested in who will be the new Keeper. I get the impression that the Keeper should be a physically large person, so it is very unlikely to be a second-year ... I don't know if it would be any satisfaction to Ron to finally get on the team but only as a second-choice type of player .. I like the idea that it would be Muggle-born Dean Thomas, the fan of West Ham soccer football, in a position that it probably took him a year and a half to learn to stop calling 'goalie' ...>>> I like the idea of Dean being on the team too. But, I sure hate to see Ron not get a chance at the sport he's so keen on. Maybe he'll get his chance once Fred & George & some of those chasers leave. <<<I also like the idea of it being a girl, a big muscular girl who rooms with Hermione, Parvati, and Lavender, but Hermione dislikes her because she's anti-intellectual and Parvati and Lavender make fun of her for being so big and unfeminine and tell her that she'll have to marry Hagrid because men don't like women taller than they are.>>> There seems to be only the 3 Gryffindor girls that year though. Just Hermione, Parvarti & Lavender. Penny From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:58:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6127 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:58 pm (ET) Rip, I think you're the best judge of what might be too scary for your eight-year-old daughter. I've read Books 1-3 aloud to my 9 year old, and we're now working on 4 (takes a lot longer to read them aloud!) and he likes them, but then he likes scary stuff to start with. I suspect the original plan with publishing them one book a year is that prime readers would grow a year older with each book and thus be able to take more sophisticated themes, but now that people are starting Book 1 for the first time, the temptation will be to read them all in a row. Keep in mind that your daughter doesn't have to read all of them now. She can also always wait a couple of years if you think she's too young for them now. There's no rush! I commend you for reading the books first yourself. And I highly recommend that when you feel she's ready, you read them aloud to your daughter. That way, if she has questions or if there are things she doesn't understand, you'll be there to respond. They are great books to read aloud and you'll notice details you missed when you read them quickly to yourself. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:59:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Weasley Musings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6128 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Weasley Musings Reply To: [Yahoo! #6124] Weasley Musings Date: 8/7/00 9:59 pm (ET) <<<I think this is also the first time that Hermione has stayed with the Weasleys? I would really like to see more of Hermione's parents -- however do they cope with having a witch daughter in their Muggle world?>>> I also wonder what her dentist parents will think about her new magick dental work done while she was at Hogworts? I guess JRK may address that in the next book. Yes it would be nice to find out more about her parents, and what they do to cope. DR From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 01:59:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6129 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 9:59 pm (ET) By: Rip_Washington Date: 8/7/00 9:18 pm wrote: Well, I returned to the store a few days later for Book 2, and purchased 3 and 4 this past Friday. I finished Book 4 Sunday and I'm waiting for my a chance to steal 3 from my wife. My concern is this: As much as I enjoyed Book 4, I notice the tone is becoming increasingly dark. I wonder how the children who've completed this book have reacted to it. Are any parents concerned that the series may be turning a bit too violent? I'd hate to over react and deprive my daughter from such a marvelous series. Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated. *********************** My first comment is eeek you read GoF before PoA...but thats not addressing your question is it. Well, a lot depends on your child. I have a 7 yo which is how I got hooked HP, to whom I've read all 3 books. He has not been frightened of anything...not even the dementors (they are in PoA). "Geez mom its just a book...why should I be scared or have nightmares..." Now his friend across the street started having SS (#1) read to him, but he got all freaked out and began having nightmares...so they stopped I am in the process of reading GoF to him...BUT I edited chapter 1 a bit and I definitely will edit the last couple of chapters...I have told him they will be edited and told him that was the only way he would hear the whole story...He doesn't seem as interested in GoF as he was the other 3...its definitely more complex and darker...I know which parts he can handle without nightmares (the vast majority), but there are parts I'm not going to take chances with...does this ramble answer you question at all. It depends on haow squeemish your child is and how real they make a book in their minds eye... 8 is still kind of young to be reading this length book on their own...but again it depends on the child. Some need this length and complexity to feed their brain, others its too long and complex. I wouldn't read these books to kids younger than 6 or 7, though...usually they just wouldn't sit still for it... hope this helps carole From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: More on those Prankster Twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6130 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More on those Prankster Twins Date: 8/7/00 10:00 pm (ET) Hi: <<<1) Is there a way to distinguish Fred's personality from George's? I know that someone pointed out recently that Fred had a date to the Yule Ball and George didn't, but that doesn't mean much.>>> I think there are some subtle references such as the Yule Ball business that indicate that Fred is a little more outgoing than George. Just a feeling I have. He seems a bit more self-confident, speaks up a bit more -- George strikes me as being a bit more in the shadows. Just a bit -- nothing too terribly noticeable. IMO. Someone else answered your question re: the acquisition of the Marauders' Map. I love that scene (when the twins bequeath it to Harry)!! Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:05:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6131 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6125] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:05 pm (ET) > Also - anyone even looked at my Snape post? G'rrr... When I looked at it, it just seemed to me that only recently someone had asked on this list the same question: why Dumbledore didn't give Snape the DADA job and I replied that on another list (I think it was hpa), someone had pointed out that only the students tell each other that Snape wants the DADA job as an explanation of why he hates all the DADA teachers, but we never hear any adult say that Snape wants that job, especially not Snape himself, and no one made a counterexample from the books. But, as was pointed out on that list, Snape had adequate reason to hate each of the DADA teachers: Quirrell for following Voldemort, Lockhart for being a major git, Lupin for being someone he'd hated since childhood. So maybe Snape never actually wanted the DADA job. Other suggestions that I seem to recall being made on this list just recently: maybe even Dumbledore can't get away with appointing a reformed Death Eater to DADA teacher, maybe the position really is cursed and Dumbledore doesn't want to lose Snape (Bill is a cursebreaker, therefore curses can be broken, so why doesn't Dumbledore have the curse on the DADA job broken?), maybe Dumbledore thinks that letting Snape spend too much time reading Dark books might seduce him back to the Dark Side... So I suddenly had a mood about answering the same question over and over. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6132 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chronology Date: 8/7/00 10:07 pm (ET) Hi: <<<>>>I have been asked to explain what in the JKR gives me the belief that James and Lily had Harry pretty young, probably only 19 or 20 years old (like my goddaughter's parents had her), and I can't explain it. Can you explain it for me?<<<<<>>> <<<In Chapter 4 of PS/SS, Aunt Petunia says of Lily, "Then she met that Potter at school and they left and got married and had you..." Which almost makes it sound as if they got married when they were just 17 or 18, straight out of school. That was my impression, anyway. I almost might believe that they didn't even finish school, from the way Petunia speaks, but since they were Head Boy and Head Girl, they must at least have been seniors/7th Year students.>>> Well, I'm not as convinced of this chronology as others. Or, I should say I'm not terribly convinced that the Potters had Harry early in their marriage. I suspect that even if they did marry straight away after leaving Hogwarts or soon thereafter, they probably were doing *whatever* it is that they were doing that seems to have been dangerous, mysterious, etc. for at least a few yrs before Harry came along. Whew! Long sentence. My own feeling (based solely on intuition & despite Aunt Petunia's relation of events) is that James & Lily married a year or 2 after leaving Hogwarts & were involved in their careers for a few (3-4) yrs before Harry came along. Just a guess though. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:10:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts -- "Leaving" vs "Graduating" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6133 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Hogwarts -- "Leaving" vs "Graduating" Date: 8/7/00 10:10 pm (ET) Hi: I've been told on another HP listserve that there would not be a Hogwarts "graduation" per se. That's why you see it described as the kids "leaving" Hogwarts. That's apparently the way it works in the UK. Perhaps Neil or Simon can add to this. Gads -- I've got 14 new posts to read - I'll never catch up!!! It's like being in that chat room all over again. Penny From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:12:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6134 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6131] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:12 pm (ET) Thanks. I'm not saying much else now - because it is so early - but I was beginning to think all of my posts were being ignored :) Obviously I am paranoid - but then a) I am a kid in an HP for GROWN UPS group b) I am an idiot c) people seem to have ideas before me, grr.. d) my last 5 posts, 5 I tell you were ignored e) the flowers are staring at ne again, gtg Bye Nicholas PS Where is Neil? He's nice to me :-) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:16:00 -0400 Subject: off-topic (was: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6135 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: off-topic (was: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6134] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:16 pm (ET) > grr.. All that g'rrring reminds me of Elway the fat cat. When he g'rrrs, I pick him up and hug him, much to his annoyance. > PS Where is Neil? He's nice to me :-) Betcha that, now that Neil's holiday has ended, he is busy doing all the things he *meant* to do on his holiday but was too busy with HP e-mail to do. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:17:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts -- Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6136 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hogwarts -- Reply To: [Yahoo! #6133] Hogwarts -- "Leaving" vs "Graduating" Date: 8/7/00 10:17 pm (ET) > That's apparently the way it works in the UK. Perhaps Neil or Simon can add to th Going on the theory OWLS are GCSE's and NEWTS - A levels - there's normally a crappy disco after GCSE - for students that leave at 16, after A levels - there's normally a graduation ball - not as big as your prom things (yuck), also - only the A level students know or care about this, and happens outside of the school year. Hope I have helped for once! Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:19:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: off-topic (was: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6137 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: off-topic (was: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6135] Re: off-topic (was: Snape Date: 8/7/00 10:19 pm (ET) Catlady - I think I have a new friend! (Meow) Nicholas From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:23:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: off-topic (was: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6138 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: off-topic (was: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6137] Re: off-topic (was: Snape Date: 8/7/00 10:23 pm (ET) > (Meow)! How about, Hagrid's wand was snapped in two, but then Dumbledore repaired it the same way that Arthur repaired Harry's eyeglasses? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:26:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6139 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: FAQs Date: 8/7/00 10:26 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Penny...how many messages do I (ReinaKata02) have? I haven't been able to access the index. Muchas gracias, Kaitlin>>> Kaitlin -- I didn't get your offer to volunteer --sorry. Why don't you take messages 5951 - 6300. At the rate the UberPoster & I are going, we'll add another 500 or so for me to do by the time we get the FAQs completed. Melanie -- can you be sure Kaitlin's email address gets access to our little egroups list? Kaitlin -- why don't you try to log in sometime tomorrow? Melanie should have you added by then. I'm still not a co-moderator Melanie or I'd have just done this. Sorry. <g> I'll try to post some more thoughts on how this should all work tomorrow. Feel free to start posting to that egroups everyone -- let's get the ball rolling before we have 7000 messages to divvy up. <g> Penny From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:26:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: off-topic (was: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6140 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: off-topic (was: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6138] Re: off-topic (was: Snape Date: 8/7/00 10:26 pm (ET) > How about, Hagrid's wand was snapped in two, but then Dumbledore repaired it the same way that Arthur repaired Harry's eyeglasses? Oh dear, I've lost control!! This is probably a joke - but I am tired :-) So: Why just snap it if a simple repair charm would have it up and running again, it's illogical (captain/grrr...). Nicholas From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:37:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: Wands (was: off-topic (was: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6141 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wands (was: off-topic (was: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6140] Re: off-topic (was: Snape Date: 8/7/00 10:37 pm (ET) > Why just snap [Hagrid's wand, a convicted criminal's wand][in two] if a simple repair charm would have it up and running again, it's illogical Illogical but traditional and symbolic. Why snap the sword of a disgraced military officer? He doesn't ever *need* a sword and, if he did, he could easily buy another. I can make up a story that the two pieces of the snapped wands are entrusted to two different highly respected people for disposal (destruction), and in this case, the two people were Dumbledore and another teacher who respected Dumbledore, so Dumbledore was able to get both pieces in order to repair the wand and return it secretly to Hagrid. Normally, neither of the two people to whom the pieces were entrusted would ever want to restore it to the criminal, and even if one did, the other one would not consent. However, if the criminal was able to go to another country, such as Croatia or wherever 'Gregorevich' is hanging out, he/she could buy a new wand. From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:39:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6142 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6129] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:39 pm (ET) Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond to my query. You all brought up some interesting points I hadn't really considered. As a boy, I was a voracious reader, annoying my Mother because she couldn't buy books fast enough. My daughter, though she likes to read, is not quite as enthusiastic as I was at her age. Though she picks up Book 1 occasionally, she's much more interested in playing, drawing, and watching TV, so I don't think I have anything to worry about. Besides, as someone pointed out, it'll be a few years before she's ready for Book 4 anyway, in which case she'll probably decide for herself whether or not it's too graphic. As for why I read Book 4 before reading Book 3; I started 3 intending to read 4 upon completion. As it turned out, I had to take the car to the mechanic Saturday, and decided to take a book with me while I waited for repairs to be done. As my wife and I were both reading 3 at the same time, I didn't want to deprive her of reading it so I took Book 4 with me instead. I didn't plan on reading the whole book but I was unable to put it down until I finished reading it Sunday afternnoon. (Naturally, my wife berated me for reading the books out of order.) I suspect I was under some kind of bookish spell. The sad thing is I'll soon be left with NOTHING until the publication of Book 5. I guess I must resign myself to reading the whole series AGAIN...! Many thanx! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:39:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6143 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Chronology Reply To: [Yahoo! #6132] Chronology Date: 8/7/00 10:39 pm (ET) >Well, I'm not as convinced of this chronology as others. Or, I should say I'm not terribly > convinced that the Potters had Harry early in their marriage. I suspect that even if they did > marry straight away after leaving Hogwarts or soon thereafter, they probably were doing > *whatever* it is that they were doing that seems to have been dangerous, mysterious, etc. for >at least a few yrs before Harry came along. Exactly. Unless they unearthed a treasure, how did they accumulate such wealth. In addition, Jenna's unofficial HP fan site has listed as 'confirmed' rumors, that (1) the professions of James and Lily are of significance to the future developments, and (2) a future book will explain just how J&L came by/earned all that money. BTW, that same site has as a 'confirmed fact' the Hogwarts quill ID'ing the magically gifted births. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:45:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6144 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chronology Reply To: [Yahoo! #6143] Re: Chronology Date: 8/7/00 10:45 pm (ET) > Unless they unearthed a treasure, how did they accumulate such wealth. Someone suggested that James inherited it. > that same site has as a 'confirmed fact' the Hogwarts quill ID'ing the magically gifted births. I think the pen was mentioned in GoF, but even tho' Lee returned my CoS and PoA last night, her husband still has my GoF. Suppose the child is born, written in the book, and unfortunately dies before age 11 -- does McGonagall or anyone check before mailing the letters that the recipient is still alive and in Britain or Ireland? Do they need to get the updated address (as people move house) or do they leave that to the owl? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:47:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:47:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6145 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6125] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:47 pm (ET) > Kids stories are pretty gruesome anyway. I mean: Roald Dahl = People glued to trees etc. What about >Kids putting witches into ovens.. and of course some of them are really pretty grotesque, even in the Grimm versions - the lady villain punished by being put naked in the box of nails and dragged through the streets; or putting Snow White's evil stepmom in the oven at the end (and see Neil Gaiman's story, "Snow, Glass, Apples" for quite a different take on that!) Let's face it, in the US, boys especially grew up on monsters, and in the UK there was once Dr. Who for your monster fix. :-) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:49:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6146 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Chronology Reply To: [Yahoo! #6144] Re: Chronology Date: 8/7/00 10:49 pm (ET) Suppose child dies - (1) Neville (and Harry) indicate that wizard kids are tough to kill. (2) but more practically, I think the kid status is clearly known before a letter is sent - look at the addresses on Harry's letters in Book I! From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:49:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6147 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6134] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/7/00 10:49 pm (ET) I didn't ignore your posts. In fact, I checked your age and was pleasantly surprised at how articulate you were (are). This whole Harry Potter thing is new to me so forgive me if I don't respond intelligently. Rest assured that your posts are not being ignored and that I find them to be refreshing, humorous, and informative...as well as many others. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 02:51:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6148 From: brooksindy Subject: Casting Date: 8/7/00 10:51 pm (ET) Hmm. What about David McCallum as Lupin? (brought about because I was thinking about _Sapphire and Steel_).... From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:04:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:04:00 -0400 Subject: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6149 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6033] Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Date: 8/7/00 11:04 pm (ET) I am including this spoiler space as I am not sure if we are still using it or not. I a quite certain thath there will be a few people who haven't read it... S P O I L E R S P A C E <<Why is Dumbledore reluctant to give Snape the Defence against the Dark Arts job? We know he is good at it. I am sure I remember someone saying he was expert at it in book 2 or 3, when they thought Snape would get it, rather than Lupin (or was it Snape instead of Lockhart - why was he employed?). I am sure he know's his stuff after book 4. He was really interested in it as a child. etc. So why has Dumbledore never given him the job?>> Perhaps Dumbledore or Fudge or whoever blacklisted Snape was worried that Snape might forget about the "Defence" part, since he *is* a recovering Death Eater (much like you don't put recovering alcoholics around wine or beer). I do see him getting the job in the future, though. Personally, I think Snape should break the curse of DADA teachers only lasting one year and he should either teach year 6 and 7 or teach year 7 and have it implied at the end that he breaks the curse. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:05:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6150 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6033] Snape - Includes GoF SPOILERS... Date: 8/7/00 11:05 pm (ET) I have been wondering if Snape is the kind of teacher who is EXTREMELY tough on the students he sees promise in, actively being hostile, in order to strengthen them to deal with a potentially hostile Muggle world. Sort of a "Boy named Sue" philosophy. But the seeming favoritism to the Slytherins, doesn't really go with that. The fact that he is not just a teacher employed by AD but is in fact Head of a House and clearly a quite competent (if bad-tempered) wizard, argues that there is something more even than we have begun to think, based on GoF, about him as a person/character. And yes, referring to a later post, it is Ron in Book I who says "Everybody knows (Snape) is after Quirrell's job" (i.e., DADA). That is, we haven't heard it from an adult, that I can find. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:09:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:09:00 -0400 Subject: A problem with years...broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6151 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: A problem with years...broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6039] A problem with years...broomsticks Date: 8/7/00 11:09 pm (ET) This comes mostly from my experiance with computer software, but small number changes usually indicate minor upgrades and improvements and large ones indicate that there has been a major improvement. From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:19:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6152 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6051] Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 11:19 pm (ET) Perhaps the Creevey's will turn out to be fairly good players as well. They did seem to get more time in the latest book than some of the other 4th years in Harry's class. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:21:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6153 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #6148] Casting Date: 8/7/00 11:21 pm (ET) Forgive my ignorance but who's David McCallum? Anyway, I think one actor who will be great as Lupin is Sam Neill. He has that "rugged" but nice guy look about him. Oh yeah, what about Robert Carlyle (the guy from "The Full Monty") as Snape? I think he'll do well. He previously worked with the producer on "Ravenous" (he played a murderous cannibal) so I think he has a shot at it. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:33:00 -0400 Subject: Broomsticks in general Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6154 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Broomsticks in general Reply To: [Yahoo! #6113] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/7/00 11:33 pm (ET) <<While I yearn for a broomstick, I doubt it seriously, oh and don't you think that they would be uncomfortable to ride on??? Hehehe..>> A rather humorous aside. Has anyone seen the movie by Disney "Bedknobs and Broomsticks"? In it Angela's character rides her first broom. It states that a witch must always be a lady, and sit sidesaddle on the broom. For some reason I really don't see Cho nor Angelina sitting that way while playing Quidditch! From mbrodd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:36:00 2000 From: mbrodd at yahoo.com (mbrodd) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6155 From: mbrodd Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #6148] Casting Date: 8/7/00 11:36 pm (ET) My first post, this club is such a great idea, so glad I found it as waiting for next July will surely drive me mad otherwise... I think David McCallum is the actor who played Ilya Kuryakin in Man from UNCLE, by the way. But anyway, what about IAN RICHARDSON ??? Brought to mind by a recent marathon House of Cards/To Play the King/Final Cut watching, not to mention Gormenghast. I think he'd be a marvelous Dumbledore, or perhaps Lucius Malfoy (too old perhaps??) (too too bad about Alec Guinness, he'd be a fine AD too...) Regards, MBrodd From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:38:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6156 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #6153] Re: Casting Date: 8/7/00 11:38 pm (ET) Who is David McCallum: http://www.egroups.com/community/Channel_M http://come.to/davidmccallum http://www.delfloria.demon.co.uk/uncle.html http://home.sprintmail.com/~lsmtmo/index.html Ilya Kuryakin in _The Man From Uncle_ *(showing my age, here, I guess) but also Steel in _Sapphire and Steel_. And many other interesting roles, if you check www.imdb.com From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:41:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: Broomsticks in general Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6157 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Broomsticks in general Reply To: [Yahoo! #6154] Broomsticks in general Date: 8/7/00 11:41 pm (ET) >"Bedknobs and Broomsticks"? In it Angela's character rides her >first broom. It states that a witch must always be a lady, and sit sidesaddle on the broom. Doesn't Samantha sit sidesaddle in the opening animatin of _Bewitched_? :-) Anybody recall if the restriction is also in the book? The book, of course, is by Mary Norton, who also wrote _The Borrowers_ books.... From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:41:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6158 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #6032] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/7/00 11:41 pm (ET) Am I missing something? What about all the Moaning Myrtle stuff......what about the Prefect's bathroom? And isn't Dumbledore's office wonderful? From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:42:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6159 From: profadumbledore Subject: favorite non-humans Date: 8/7/00 11:42 pm (ET) if this has already been covered, my apologies.... Which is everyone's favorite non-human? Mine is Fawkes, of course From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:44:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: Gred and Forge Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6160 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Gred and Forge Reply To: [Yahoo! #6081] Gred and Forge Date: 8/7/00 11:44 pm (ET) You're not the only one that thinks of them that way. I actually missed that line when I first read the book, but burst out laughing when I hit it while reading that section to the kids. I liked how the suspense built in GoF with the rumors of someone dying. Things were a bit foreboding for a while in the book. I shuddered when I read about the "mortal danger" hand on the clock, and the of Molly Weasley upon the return of the twins from the Cup also seemed like an ominous sign. I'm glad things worked out for the family in this book, but there are three more to sweat out! From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:45:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:45:00 -0400 Subject: Meier's Briggs test Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6161 From: profadumbledore Subject: Meier's Briggs test Date: 8/7/00 11:45 pm (ET) I reviewed the old messages about sorting...found it fascinating.....I took the test and was sorted...into Gryffindor.....was just told by a friend who identifies with Ravenclaw that that was where I belonged, but ANYway....in previous testings (the Keirsay Bates test is online and free and quite similar)I have always tested as X instead of E or I..wondering why the test posted does not allow for the X in a given category..... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: No More Spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6162 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: No More Spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #6120] No More Spoilers Date: 8/7/00 11:48 pm (ET) HOOOOOORAY!!!!! From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:54:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6163 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Reply To: [Yahoo! #6027] Re: Chapter 5 & Fred & George Date: 8/7/00 11:54 pm (ET) Oh, my, well good for you..... It's never okay to humiliate someone even Dudley..(although the Weasley twins are quick to claim he did it to himself...) so you are right on here Difficult stuff.....he was beastly to Harry for many, many years, aided and abetted by his gruesome parents....my favorite moments in the book are Arthur Weasley being outraged that no one will say good bye to Harry, and Molly Weasley being in a state of righteous indignation about Harry.... I loved to see Hagrid standing up to Vernon in book one and Harry coming into his own in Book IV... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:55:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:55:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6164 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #6126] Quidditch Date: 8/7/00 11:55 pm (ET) On American teams, we have a backup quarterback, and such. Who does Hogwarts have for each team, like if Harry gets blown (ahem) off one more broomstick by some means? It makes sense, doesn't it? Why can't Ron be on the second team? He can still save the day maybe while Harry's seeing Madame Pom (again) by snagging the snitch! From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:56:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:56:00 -0400 Subject: Has anyone else noticed... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6165 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6054] Has anyone else noticed... Date: 8/7/00 11:56 pm (ET) >...that the only two classes we've actually observed the Sortings of are the current (as of Book 5) Second Years and Fifth Years? ------------------------------------------------- Yes, I have noticed that. JKR seems to mention a name and then it comes back later and becomes really prominent (i.e. when in SoS Hagrid borrows Sirius' motorcycle to take Harry to the Dursleys... I just noticed that when I started rereading the books (again) tonight) so I'd bet that the same thing happens with many if not all of the students who were sorted. It'll be interesting to seem how everything works out with that! From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 03:56:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:56:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6166 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #6035] Re: Percy Date: 8/7/00 11:56 pm (ET) didn't Percy behave better when Ron was emerging from the lake after having been with the Mer people? How could he have been chosen (big) Head Boy when he was so bureaucratic and rigid? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:00:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6167 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6131] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:00 am (ET) Spoiler. (Yes, I am at least giving that little bit of concession to those who are still reading GoF and didn't mention it!) Snape was dragged in (my term, not JKR's) by Moody. OF COURSE he's not going to like him either! :) <<, Snape had adequate reason to hate each of the DADA teachers: Quirrell for following Voldemort, Lockhart for being a major git, Lupin for being someone he'd hated since childhood. So maybe Snape never actually wanted the DADA job.>> From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:00:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6168 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6063] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/8/00 12:00 am (ET) >Now all we need is flying balls. My friend and I were discussing that while playing basketball. Actually, we were saying that we'd be a lot better if we could attach a remote control device into the ball and then control it so it went different places. It'd be pretty hard to make it fly, but if you had enough controls you could have a ball to fulfill each of the other balls' purposes. From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:07:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6169 From: davehoz Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6094] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 12:07 am (ET) It reminds me of Glinda's Great Book of Records, that records births (and everything else) the moment it happens... From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:08:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:08:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6170 From: ltumc Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:08 am (ET) >Are any parents concerned that the series may be >turning a bit too violent? I'm a teenager, not a parent (as you may realize from looking at my stats...), but I know that my mom has those same concerns. So far they haven't become too dark, but they seem to be leading down that path. I'd suggest simply reading them before you allow your daughter to and deciding for yourself if she should be allowed to read it. 8 year olds are of a varied maturity and some can handle it, while others would cower in bed afraid that Voldemort would come after them. I really think it's a question of discretion. I'm wondering if it bothers anyone else that JKR has taken a turn for the worse in her language. I find cursing offensive, and though she doesn't use anything really bad, does it bother anyone else to be reading along to a child and having to stumble over the words so as not to say things of that sort to the child? From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6171 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6134] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:09 am (ET) >>> but I was beginning to think all of my posts were being ignored :) Nicholas<<<<< I estimate that approximately 75% of my posts are ignored or not remarked upon. Sometimes if I'm in a mood, I take it personally and get depressed, but most of the time I realize that people are reacting pretty much the same way I do -- I chuckle at a lot of posts, but don't feel it helpful to respond with a "LOL!" post just for the heck of it. Or I agree with a post, and don't want to clutter up the avalanche of messages that comes thru every day on this list. Or sometimes I'm just too listless to respond. So don't read too much into the fact that a lot of your posts seem to be dropped into a black hole... I think we all probably feel that way at one time or another. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: Snow White Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6172 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Snow White Reply To: [Yahoo! #6145] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:09 am (ET) I was always under the impression (like it says in the show Tenth Kingdom (great book btw!)) that after being discovered trying to poison Snow 3 times (comb, corset, and apple) they made Snow's step mom dance in iron shoes that had been cooked over red coals... Interesting take <<putting Snow White's evil stepmom in the oven at the end >> From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:11:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:11:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6173 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6050] Re: Twins... Date: 8/8/00 12:11 am (ET) <<<In PoA, they told Harry that they had been caught by Filch and taken to the dreaded Filch office and Filch had been distracted so they looked through all his desk drawers where he kept confiscated items. I am more curious how they figured out how to OPERATE the Marauders' Map -- learning the command to turn it on and the command to turn it off and verifying its accuracy and safety must have taken a lot of investigative magic. >>> As smart as this map was when Snape tried to work it, it must have been equally perceptive with the twins. I suspect that the instructions magically appear to any mischievous person curious about the map. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:17:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:17:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6174 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6099] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 12:17 am (ET) Catlady, deciding on pure speculation that there are 800 to 1000 students at Hogwarts. Me: And this would be based on . . . ??? what, what you want it be? It makes no sense. There is not one shred of evidence in JKR's books to support the contention that there are that many students. We have nothing to go on EXCEPT what JKR put in the books but for some reason you are creating your own fictional numbers based on complete supposition. Inventing your own statistics without even a sentence or two from JKR to support your theories makes no sense to me. You are inventing your own world, not describing JKR's world. Now right now we truly do NOT know how many students there are. JKR has NEVER mentioned that there is a second group of Griffindor boys. She also has not mentioned that there is NOT, but still, she has mentioned many students, at least in passing, but always only made reference to Seamus, Dean, Ron etc. The only Griffindor girls of that year that she has mentioned are Hermione, Lavender and Brown. If we even speculate with no support whatsoever from JKR that there is a second room of girls & boys, that still only raises the total school to 560, and that is doubling the number of students that JKR has thus far stated are in her classes. Now we do know that some classes are taught together. Your hypothesis requires Professors Snape and Sprout to be dealing with 60 to 80 students at a time for hands on experience. I truly do NOT think that is very likely, especially when there is no evidence in JKR's books. A teacher simply can't do lab work very well with that many students. The only information that goes in a FAQ is that which is directly derivable (even if disputed)from the Harry Potter books, but to say "when JKR was making a novel out of the historical facts" is to basically replace her Harry Potter world with "The world according to Cat Lady." That's fine for fan fiction, and I enjoy fan fiction, but it surely does not belong in a FAQ. Vicki From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:19:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:19:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6175 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Reply To: [Yahoo! #6173] Re: Twins... Date: 8/8/00 12:19 am (ET) if the twins were skilled and perceptive in OPENING it, can you imagine the skill that went into CONSTRUCTING the map? Harry's got some awesome genes (Prongs), and an incredible godfather (Padfoot), and another impresive mentor (Moony)... but what of his connection to Wormtail? In PoA, Dumbledore says that now Wormtail is in Harry's debt, and they are connected..certainly Wormtail doesn't redeem himself in GoF..so what will happen in the future (reminiscient of Gollum -- he deserves death...yes, and many who die deserve life, can you give it to them?) From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:27:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:27:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6176 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #6141] Re: Wands (was: off-topic (was: Snape Date: 8/8/00 12:27 am (ET) > Why just snap [Hagrid's wand, a convicted criminal's wand][in two] if a simple repair charm would have it up and running again, it's illogical ****************** I've always thought that pieces of Hagrid's were made into his pink umbrella. In SoS he waves the umbrella when he does that magic. Also, when ollivanders asked him if he was still doing magic with it and he clutched his umbrella tightly. Makes sense that his umbrella has the pieces of his wand, right? From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:27:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:27:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6177 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:27 am (ET) > As much as I enjoyed Book 4, I notice the tone is becoming > increasingly dark. I wonder how the children who've completed this > book have reacted to it. I had some of the same concerns when I started reading GoF to my nine year-old son. I warned him that there were some scary parts, but he informed me in no uncertain terms that he wanted me to read it with him anyway (we ended up reading alternate pages for the most part). Anyway, after we finished the book, he told me that he thought only one part was scary -- the arrival in the graveyard and the event that immediately followed. I probably reacted more strongly than him to the last few chapters, since there were a number of places where the depth of the loss went totally over his head. You'll have to judge for yourself how well your daughter can handle certain parts of the book. However, my son definitely handled things much better than I anticipated. The next test will be to see what happens when he reads it by himself in bed at night. That will have to wait for a while, since he proudly loaned the whole series to his uncle for a short while. I think there will be another adult convert soon! From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:29:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:29:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6178 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6102] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 12:29 am (ET) "Or possibly the information is in the letter that Dumbledore left with the Dursleys" Of course.....that's why Dumbledore didn't know that Harry knew nothing....... From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:34:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:34:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6179 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6113] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/8/00 12:34 am (ET) HarryPotter00 wrote about a broomstick being uncomfortable: I've wondered about this also, especially for a boy, and it wouldn't be very comfortable for a girl. On this one we probably have to speculate that there is something magical involved that does not make it uncomfortable. JKR has never mentioned a magical seat, so I'm inclined to think the person rides it as you would think and that there isn't an invisible magical seat, but perhaps it magically disperses the force along your whole legs, instead of just in your groin area. Otherwise, none of the male quidditch players would ever grow up to reproduce :-) Vicki From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:34:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:34:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, Nightmares...Dreams, Portents? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6180 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside, Nightmares...Dreams, Portents? Date: 8/8/00 12:34 am (ET) The title is for humor, btw. I have followed a constant with all the HP books--all were read in my bed in the night (and wee hours of the morning, lol!), and all I couldn't put down once I started! There is a direction to this... Has anyone else discovered, that once they close the cover, take off their adhesive (or nonadhesive) coated glasses, and close their eyes to sleep, they dream of Hogwarts? I cannot put my fingers on what I am dreaming, but it's like I wake and I am still asleep--not wanting to leave the world I imagined! I know it's Harry, and others, like I do recall seeing Ron in one (and my Ron isn't her Ron--I grew up like the Marauders as part of a foursome with a Ron; he gets projected into that role in my dreams). Like the lake--I dreamt that clearly enough--I remember swimming with Harry (had to be the lake, right?) and breathing the water like I do in my dreams! Wouldn't it be nice, off in another tangent, if you could float and swim, and stuff like you do in your dreams!? :) Dee From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:35:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6181 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6131] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:35 am (ET) << ... maybe the position really is cursed and Dumbledore doesn't want to lose Snape (Bill is a cursebreaker, therefore curses can be broken, so why doesn't Dumbledore have the curse on the DADA job broken?) >> Besides which, I can't believe Dumbledore would deliberately make sacrificial lambs out of Lupin and Moody. << ... maybe Dumbledore thinks that letting Snape spend too much time reading Dark books might seduce him back to the Dark Side... >> This seems much more plausible to me. I can see how the Dark Side might have its seductive side. I lay awake one night just thinking about the seemingly attractive but obviously immoral/evil things one could do with the Imperious Curse (like make your favorite movie star dance naked in front of you)... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6182 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6181] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 12:39 am (ET) What would you do with that curse at your fingertips? I would prolly make my ex get a job! Grins. Seriously... Grins. Back to HP. Moody taught Harry how to resist the curse. Why? There wasn't anything in the maze that was going to use it against him, but Voldy. Why give the boy additional armor? This is something that has bugged me... From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:41:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology/letters to sports/muggles Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6183 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Chronology/letters to sports/muggles Reply To: [Yahoo! #6144] Re: Chronology Date: 8/8/00 12:41 am (ET) Upon reflection, there MUST be more information/instructions for those students whose parents are muggles and have no clue... Dear Dr. and Dr. Granger: You may not be aware, but there are witches and wizards. Your daughter, Hermione is one, and has been accepted at Hogwarts....etc. etc... Or maybe there IS a personal visit (what DO the professors do over the summer)..to reassure Muggle parents about their children's education From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:46:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:46:00 -0400 Subject: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6184 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6156] Re: Casting Date: 8/8/00 12:46 am (ET) Wow, how pleasant to be on a list where others immediately recognize characters from the Man From Uncle From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:49:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:49:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, Nightmares...Dreams, Portents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6185 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Aside, Nightmares...Dreams, Portents Reply To: [Yahoo! #6180] Aside, Nightmares...Dreams, Portents? Date: 8/8/00 12:49 am (ET) I have quite a few Harry dreams, almost every night it seems. Some are scary, involving Voldemort doing something horrible; but others are more humorous. Two I had recently: Fred and George put a disappearence charm on Snape's robes, causing them to vanish while he's lecturing. Minutes later, Dumbledore is puzzled to see Snape irately running down the corridor stark naked, cursing at nothing (the twins are under the Invisibility Cloak). Ron makes the World Chess Championships and wins, beating Judith Polgar, whom he then asks out to dinner and teaches to play Quidditch. From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 04:53:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: Snow White Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6186 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Snow White Reply To: [Yahoo! #6172] Snow White Date: 8/8/00 12:53 am (ET) This ending is also the one given in the book _Mouse Under Glass_ (which is about how classic stories/books got turned into Disney features). From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:00:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: Old and New Questions (was Snape) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6187 From: vjmerri Subject: Old and New Questions (was Snape) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6134] Re: Snape (was: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 1:00 am (ET) Nicholas, listing reasons that his posts were ignored said "people seem to have ideas before me," and "the flowers are staring at me again" First: I'd be careful if those flowers were staring at you. You never know. They might be related to teething tenticulas (from book 3) :-) Second: I have a theory re "people seem to have ideas before me." That is the nature of a listserv. They ebb and flow like tides. There will always be new people joining the club and always people who are sick of the same old question. Assume that each new person asks a specific question and gets ignored by "the oldtimers." Eventually sufficient new people will collect who will want to discuss the question. Then when newcomer X asks it, some critical mass of newcomers is met and the question is suddenly discussed amongst them. Then they are "oldtimers" and ignore the question until a new critical mass of newcomers is reached. And so it goes. There is nothing wrong with throwing out conversational gambits. Certainly this listserv has such an enormous traffic that its hardly going to increase daily posts a great deal. And the Oldtimers who don't want to discuss it can simply press the "next" key based on the subject line. If no one wants to discuss your question, then clearly the critical mass hasn't been reached yet. Perhaps it'll be reached next month. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:15:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Ages of James, Lily and co Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6188 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Ages of James, Lily and co Reply To: [Yahoo! #6069] Re: Chronology (was:Casting for Date: 8/8/00 1:15 am (ET) <<I have been asked to explain what in the JKR gives me the belief that James and Lily had Harry pretty young, probably only 19 or 20 years old (like my goddaughter's parents had her), and I can't explain it. Can you explain it for me?>> For me, it's just a feeling that I get from several passages. Here are the three that come to mind right now. Now, I don't claim them as hard, unrefutable evidence; any of them can be explained away. But I they do lead my thoughts in the direction, that James and Lily were young when they married and had Harry. 1) As Danemead pointed out, Petunia made it all sound in quick succession: "Then she went off to that school, met that Potter, married him, and had you." (not quoted verbatim, but the gist of it). 2) Hagrid said he had to get the flying motorcycle back to "young Sirius Black." True, Hagrid may have used "young" to describe anyone significantly younger than he (he was about 50). But I pictured the yet-unknown Sirius as a James Dean type, in his late teens or early twenties. 3) When Harry met Lupin on the Hogwarts Express, Lupin is described as "quite young". Since the 13-year-old Harry thought of him as "quite young," I pictured him no older than thirty, maybe thirty-five. Even those would be stretching it (based on my ideas of young at thirteen). Well, after number three, I think I'll get out my cane and hobble over to the cabinet for some Geritol <g>. Melanie (who is just now reading the day's messages, but is trying to defend her place in the top ten) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: ?berposting - Rita's latest scoop Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6189 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: 'berposting - Rita's latest scoop Reply To: [Yahoo! #6095] determined now to crack into the Posting Date: 8/8/00 1:21 am (ET) Dee commented: <<elite.... sighs. Now, look what you've done! You've created a monster!!! They all want to be Neil!>> *** Help! I don't want to be Neil any more! *** A CAR TOO FAR? Rita Skeeter saw her chance and buzzed over to the exhausted 'berposter, who was slumped in a button-backed armchair: "So! How does it feel to have posted 500+ messages in just over two months?" she said, throatily, reaching in to her capacious handbag for a sheet of parchment and the Quick-Quotes Quill. "It feels like... I dunno. It's a bit embarrassing really. I just sort of said what came into my head and, suddenly, I look like a friendless nerd who spends all his time posting messages about Harry Potter and treacle..." The quill sprang into action: "Flying_Ford_Anglia has spared no feelings in his meteoric rise to the top of the Harry Potter for Grown Ups posting league,", it scratched, in lurid green ink. "He uses vicious asides and diatribes to belittle anyone in his path..." "Er. 'Scuse me. I... that's not what I said!!" "Don't worry dear," said Rita, raising a heavily-pencilled eyebrow, "I'll edit later. So, you were saying?" "I dunno why people would aspire to have the *most* posts. Um... surely quality is more important than quantity?" "The infamous megawaffler feels that he is in an unassailable position," continued the quill, "but as one of his close clubfellows commented: 'Oh yeah - that smug Brit? Thinks he knows it all, but his days are numbered.'" "So, DEAR readers. Is this the end for Mr High and Mighty Ford Anglia? Watch this space alone for the exclusive dish!" Rita shuffled the paper and pen into her handbag and with a slight smirk on her ruby red lips, snaked towards the door. "Thanks ever so!" she breathed, over a fur-clad shoulder, as she exited. Flying_Ford_Anglia grimaced and sat staring out of the open window. It was no fun at the top, he decided. From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:28:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:28:00 -0400 Subject: British food - treacle etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6190 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: British food - treacle etc Reply To: [Yahoo! #5789] British food - treacle etc Date: 8/8/00 1:28 am (ET) I took a short vacation and am now catching up on the 500+ messages posted while I was away. I couldn't pass up adding my 2 cents worth on the topic of food, though (and if I wait until I read all the posts, I know I'll forget). Neil, your explanation of the term "treacle" reminded me of stories my mother told us of her home economics class. Apparently they made them put black treacle (which we call black strap molasses) on their porridge. Seems it tasted bad enough that she and her classmates used to dump it out the window (which caused quite a stir in the spring, when the snow melted and the porch roof it landed on started to smell funny!). My grandmother was from Sheffield and my grandfather was Polish. How's perogies and butter tarts for a combination? I will now resume reading posts til I catch up (despite the blood dripping on the floor, caused by a kitten who thought he could access my keyboard by climbing my left arm!). Sheryll P.S. If there is still a need for people to take on some of the posts, I'll happily volunteer (being somewhat unemployed at the moment). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:29:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:29:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6191 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6182] Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 1:29 am (ET) > Moody taught Harry how to resist the curse. Why? There wasn't anything in the maze that was going to use it against him, but Voldy. Why give the boy additional armor? This is something that has bugged me... This is one of the those questions that keep being asked. My friend Lee thinks the answer is that both Voldemort and "Moody" are concerned about fighting fair (clearly, only when they fight against Harry: there is sure no concern about being fair to Cedric!!!). That could because of some part of the mysterious Harry prophecy, or in order to impress the watching Death Eaters, or just because the hero couldn't win if the bad guy followed the Rule for Evil Overlord (a set of rules whose URL has been posted in this list a couple of times, such as 'When you have the hero at your mercy, shoot him right away, without taking time to explain how you caught him or why you hate him). However, I find much of the above theory pretty implausible and I, like many people, figured the fake Moody taught Harry to resist the Imperius Curse because Dumbledore had instructed him to and disobeying Dumbledore would have caused suspicion. Lee rejects this theory, saying that we have only "Moody"'s word for it that Dumbledore wanted the students to be taught curses, that that seems to her to be out of character for Dumbledore, and that she won't believe Anything "Moody" tells her without some good corroboration. So I then I said that "Moody" was actually testing out Harry's ability to defend against the curses in order to forewarn V. what he was up against so that V. could prepare. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: The fifth Marauder? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6192 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The fifth Marauder? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6070] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/8/00 1:32 am (ET) <<Lupin is only about 40 years old, the same as Snape, Sirius Black, and the late James Potter.>> I can confirm this. I am 39 and I was in the same year at Hogwarts. I was, in fact the forgotten fifth member of the marauders - Horny. The reason this fact is so little known is that I decided not to become an Animagus; instead, I took an unusual and alienating decision - I became a Mechanimagus. The Weasleys never knew this about me, but now I have relocated to the Forbidden Forest I can switch between my human and Mechanimagus forms without fear of discovery. Horny [this is the closest I get to RPG] From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:39:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (McCallum/Richardson) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6193 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting (McCallum/Richardson) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6155] Re: Casting Date: 8/8/00 1:39 am (ET) <<I think David McCallum is the actor who played Ilya Kuryakin in Man from UNCLE, by the way. But anyway, what about IAN RICHARDSON ???>> Welcome MBrodd! David McCallum - despite his baby face - is too old to play Lupin. He was also in The Invisible Man TV series BTW. I posted a pic of Ian Richardson in our Photos section not so long ago [possible casting?]. I agree, he would be perfect. He has the twinkle. Neil From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:42:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:42:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6194 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6191] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 1:42 am (ET) I have a different theory. I think that Crouch new that Voldy would use Avada Kedavra (which is normally unblockable), and decided that he might as well curse Harry a few times for fun under the premise that it was educational. He may have even used fake imperius curses so that the students will be helpless if they ever meet the real thing. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6195 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6179] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/8/00 1:48 am (ET) >>>>Otherwise, none of the male quidditch players would ever grow up to reproduce :-) Vicki <<<< All this talk of riding broomsticks -- I have to smirk here because in the new fanfic "A Sirius Affair" by our Penny Linsenmeyer and Carole Estes, Harry and Sirius have a little risque conversation equating 'broomstick riding' with sex. Naughty ladies!! Read on the "Paradigm of Uncertainty" e-group... http://www.egroups.com/files/ParadigmOfUncertainty/A+Sirius+Affair/ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:48:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6196 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6174] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 1:48 am (ET) > Catlady, deciding on pure speculation that there are 800 to 1000 students at Hogwarts. If I were some of the people who used to be on hpa, I would now announce that you had flamed me and I would therefore unsub from this list. I was going to tell you that in a private message, but you kept your private @dress off your profile so I can't. > And this would be based on . . . ??? what, what you want it be? It makes no sense. There is not one shred of evidence in JKR's books to support the contention that there are that many students. There are at least two shreds of evidence, which various people quoted in exact words with page or chapter numbers in previous posts. One is the big Gryffindor/Slytherin Quidditch match, where the audience is discribed as 200 people in Slytherin green and the other three-quarters in Gryffindor red, which adds up to 800, which divided by 4 Houses is 200, and divided by 7 years is 114.28etc per year (so I rounded a little, so sue me). The other is when Harry first entered Hogwarts Great Hall to be Sorted, there were 'hundreds' of students in the Great Hall. More recently, a further shred of evidence was posted, dealing with the number and seating capacity of the boats and carriages that convey students from the Hogwarts Express to the castle. Already this evening I unsuccessfully scrolled through over 1000 posts on the archive looking for the message in which I had posted the URLs for photos of two castles in Scotland that Nick on hpa had suggested were models for Hogwarts. (I ended up getting them from hpa, which is on e-groups which has a Search function.) I am damned if I am going to go through 6100 of them looking for old messages about How Many Students in Hogwarts. That's what the FAQ committee, which I much regret that I do not have time to join, is for. > The only information that goes in a FAQ is that which is directly derivable (even if disputed)from the Harry Potter books, As I am not on the FAQ committee, I don't get a vote, but in my opinion, the FAQs should list the message numbers of ALL the popular answers to a question, even if there are disagreeing answers. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:52:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:52:00 -0400 Subject: Lily & James leaving Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6197 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Lily & James leaving Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6133] Hogwarts -- "Leaving" vs "Graduating" Date: 8/8/00 1:52 am (ET) <<I've been told on another HP listserve that there would not be a Hogwarts "graduation" per se. That's why you see it described as the kids "leaving" Hogwarts. That's apparently the way it works in the UK. Perhaps Neil or Simon can add to this.>> Nicholas has already commented on this, as one who looks forward to it in the near future rather than, like me, back on it through the misty haze of time [probably by scrying, as my memory is flawed]. I can confirm that we don't talk about 'graduating [from] school'. Graduates are usually people who have studied for a degree or a technical qualification. A-Level students (up to 18) are usually termed 'school-leavers'. So, Lily and James 'leaving' Hogwarts does not imply anyhing other than the normal course of events. I suppose that Petunia's describing them as 'leaving, getting married and having Harry' is just a contraction of events, rather than a suggestion that Lily was a gymslip Mum. She was, in a way, declaring complete disinterest in the details of their lives by condensing what happened. Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 05:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 01:53:00 -0400 Subject: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6198 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6184] Re: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Date: 8/8/00 1:53 am (ET) >>>Wow, how pleasant to be on a list where others immediately recognize characters from the Man From Uncle <<< Man, I was SOOOO in love with David McCallum! It was the accent -- I'm a pushover for a Scottish accent. A blond Scottish Russian -- that was Ilya. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6199 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6198] Re: Casting/Ilya Kuriakin Date: 8/8/00 2:02 am (ET) > Man, I was SOOOO in love with David McCallum! You're not the only one. Of course, so was I. And Terry Gross interviewed David McCallum on Fresh Air (I think it was last year), and *she* confessed that she also had been in love with him as Ilya Kuryakin. Now, that's normally a hard-headed woman! > It was the accent -- I'm a pushover for a Scottish accent. It was the keeping his emotional reactions under control and his feelings private -- which are, I realized when McCallum was suggested, very Lupin. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:02:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6200 From: dogspoon Subject: Thanks Date: 8/8/00 2:02 am (ET) Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the pics. Now I am starting to feel like a member of something great. I'm going to try to add a few more this week if time allows and maybe re-do my Dumbledore so that it suits me. Once again, thanks. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:09:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6201 From: dogspoon Subject: Word Play Date: 8/8/00 2:09 am (ET) Forgive me if this has already been covered, but one thing about JKR that caught my attention is her word play. You guys know what I mean, Erised is desire backwords and Diagon Alley is obviously derived from diagonally. Well, I tried to find some more "hidden words" if you will and came up with absolute crap. My best attempt was turning Remus Lupin into muun perils. Don't laugh, I know it's a real shot in the dark. How bout turning Pettigrew into Pet it grew. I told you the Lupin thing was my best shot. I'm sure that there are some good ones that I am overlooking so help me out here. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:18:00 -0400 Subject: How many students?/FAQ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6202 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: How many students?/FAQ Reply To: [Yahoo! #6174] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 2:18 am (ET) <<The only information that goes in a FAQ is that which is directly derivable (even if disputed)from the Harry Potter books, but to say "when JKR was making a novel out of the historical facts" is to basically replace her Harry Potter world with "The world according to Cat Lady.">> Well, I *like* the Catlady world. It's often very personal, but it's full of knowledge and fun. As I've said before (not in so many words), speculation is often as much the key to solution as deduction. That's a scientific principle, by the way, not a neat little phrase. The FAQ, as I understand it, isn't just about providing a ready reference to things in the HP books, it's also about classifying some of the wealth of opinion here. It will, I assume, include discussion about the number of students at Hogwarts and take in all the suggestions that have been made. Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:34:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:34:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6203 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6201] Word Play Date: 8/8/00 2:34 am (ET) I suppose there will be a FAQ on Names. You may find some that are anagrams that I would never have thought to look for, but I find the ones that come from Roman Mythology. (Not that a million other people didn't find them first!) Remus and his brother Romulus were babies who were thrown out into the woods to die (as was normal in those days) but instead they were suckled by a wolf bitch and Romans said that their names came from 'ruma' meaning the 'dug' (teat) of a wolf. When they grew up, they founded Rome and Romulus killed Remus in a quarrel over which of them it should be named after. 'Lupin' is 'lupine' which is the adjective meaning 'wolf-like' or 'of wolves' (like leonine for lions or equine for horses). I did some Web searching to find out why the flower is named after wolves, and the Latin Homework Helper at about.com said that the Romans named the flower because it's "throat" (what is the throat of a flower?) looks like the head of a wolf. There is so much connection between a person's name and his/her destiny in the HP universe that I have wondered whether people change their names to suit their destinies, or do parents use divination to find out their children's destinies in order to choose a suitable name, or does the name itself influence the destiny? Because of many examples of family names, I suspect that it is the name that influences the destiny. In such a universe, why would anyone EVER name their baby Remus Lupin?!?!?! That's like forcing him to become a wolf! Even if they meant a lecher rather than a werewolf, why??? Someone, I think on this list, posted that Pettigrew means 'grew petty' i.e. became smaller, and so does Peter as in 'peter out'. He literally became smaller by turning into a rat, and figuratively his courage and honor rotted away as he followed V. And here's something I posted on hpa last night: I found a web site listing (some) Gaulish Celtic gods, and it said: Rosmerta | goddess who was the native consort of the Roman god Mercury; her name signifies "great provider" which is pretty cool for the owner/hostess of a bar/restaurant! I wonder about the Weasleys: living in The Burrow and having So Many children, why aren't they the Bunnies? Weasels have a bad connotation. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:40:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:40:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (McCallum/Richardson) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6204 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Casting (McCallum/Richardson) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6193] Re: Casting (McCallum/Richardson) Date: 8/8/00 2:40 am (ET) Liam Neesan, or however it's spelled, is Lupin. He could pass as a werewolf any day. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:40:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:40:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6205 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: favorite non-humans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6159] favorite non-humans Date: 8/8/00 2:40 am (ET) <<if this has already been covered, my apologies.... Which is everyone's favorite non-human? >> Great question! Mine is the Sorting Hat. I know it's an object, rather than character/animal. But it's certainly intelligent enough to qualify, IMO. Melanie From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:43:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:43:00 -0400 Subject: Keeper of keys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6206 From: dogspoon Subject: Keeper of keys Date: 8/8/00 2:43 am (ET) Does anyone know why Hagrid was referred to as Keeper of Keys for only a couple of chapters and that's it? All of a sudden he's demoted to game keeper. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:46:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:46:00 -0400 Subject: Classifications? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6207 From: dogspoon Subject: Classifications? Date: 8/8/00 2:46 am (ET) OK, non magical people are Muggles, non magical people from magical families are Squibs, so what is the classification for magical people? From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:48:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:48:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6208 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: favorite non-humans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6205] Re: favorite non-humans Date: 8/8/00 2:48 am (ET) I like the knight in the painting (I'm too lazy to look up his name) that calls people names and picks fights. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 06:57:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:57:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6209 From: dogspoon Subject: Religion Date: 8/8/00 2:57 am (ET) Is there any referall to religion in any of the books? I only started reading them 3 weeks ago(I'm going for GoF this week). The Weasley's seem like a Catholic family for some reason. Maybe it's the housefull of kids, I don't know. I suppose it would be hard to mix typical Christian beliefs with the world of magic. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 07:00:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:00:00 -0400 Subject: Classifications? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6210 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Classifications? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6207] Classifications? Date: 8/8/00 3:00 am (ET) Magical people are called 'wizards' (if male) and 'witches' (if female). I wish JKR had made it 'wizards' and 'wizardesses' (or even 'mages' which is unisex), which would avoid a lot of anti-HP whining about 'witchcraft' as well as any confusion with Wicca, but she didn't. Apparently the adjective is 'wizarding', so I ought to refer to them as 'wizarding folk', but I feel much more comfortable calling them 'wizard folk'. Hagrid said to Harry: Don't you know anything about our world? The wizarding world? Draco said to Harry: I think they should limit it to students from old wizarding families, don't you? Magical people from two Muggle parents are called Muggle-born, andn the bad guys call them Mudbloods. Magical people with one Muggle parent are called half-and-half and the bad guys call both them and magical people with one Muggle-born witch/wizard parent and one 'pureblood' witch/wizard parent a Halfblood. They seem to call Harry a Halfblood because his mother was a Mudblood, but if he were to marry Ginny (I am not trying to side with *any* shippers!) I gather that their children would count as Purebloods. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 07:03:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:03:00 -0400 Subject: Classifications? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6211 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Classifications? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6210] Re: Classifications? Date: 8/8/00 3:03 am (ET) There definitely needs to be a unisex term for wizards and witches. Let's mix them together and call them wi-wi's. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 07:11:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:11:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6212 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6209] Religion Date: 8/8/00 3:11 am (ET) I hope you have access to the Web and not just e-mail and you don't pay for Web access by the minute, because there are SO MANY archived posts about Religion in HP. I personally believe that all the 'old wizarding families' are a bunch of Anglicans and Hogwart's has Anglican religious services on Sundays, which might make a conflict for Catholic and Hindu and Muslim and Jewish, etc, students. I have only the very limited evidence that they celebrate Christmas and Easter, not Winter Break and Spring Break, but the celebrations depicted are throughly secular. If the wizarding world is a throughly atheist culture with only secular holidays, that could cause just as much conflict for students with religious beliefs -- even if only Muggle-born students have religious beliefs. The one thing that I (as a Wiccan) have seen No Sign of in HP is Wicca or Paganism. I wish it *were* there, because I want to play in that world and I don't want to have leave my religion behind, but that's how it is. > The Weasley's seem like a Catholic family for some reason. Maybe it's the housefull of kids, I like to think that they have so many kids because they kept trying for a girl. Of course, there is that remark of Draco's about "all the Weasleys" have "more children than they can afford", which suggests that Arthur came from a big family and all his brothers had big families, too. So where are all the Weasley kids' first cousins? And second cousins? Why aren't they at Hogwart's? Especially as there is reason to believe that Hogwart's is the only wizarding school for all of Britain and Ireland. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 07:30:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:30:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6213 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6212] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 3:30 am (ET) Maybe Mr. Weasley had a bunch of sisters and he is the last of the Weasley's. I totally forgot about Christmas and Easter breaks. That tells us that the majority of the wizarding folk are Christian. What is Wicca anyway? I suppose that Hogwarts celebrates the same holidays as JKR. I am a Christian and do not see how the two worlds could intertwine but I suppose that the book is intended for a younger audience that would probably not recognize the clash of the two worlds. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 07:37:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 03:37:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6214 From: ravenclawlady Subject: RE: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #6139] RE: FAQs Date: 8/8/00 3:37 am (ET) <<Melanie -- can you be sure Kaitlin's email address gets access to our little egroups list? Kaitlin -- why don't you try to log in sometime tomorrow? Melanie should have you added by then. I'm still not a co-moderator Melanie or I'd have just done this. Sorry. <g> >> You are now, Penny. Kaitlin, I wasn't sure if you were trying to volunteer for the FAQ, or just asking where you stood in relation to the top 20 posters. If you would like to voluneer, great! I'd be happy to add you to the FAQ group. I'm afraid I don't have your e-mail address anymore. But if you send send it to me (ravenclawlady at yahoo.com), I'll subscribe you to the FAQ group. Thanks. Melanie From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 08:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:08:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6215 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6213] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 4:08 am (ET) > I am a Christian and do not see how the two worlds [Christianity and magic] could intertwine but I suppose that the book is intended for a younger audience that would probably not recognize the clash of the two worlds. I'm not sure why you think Christianity and magic can't mix. I suppose it depends on the type of Christianity and the type of magic. If Elizabeth I's court magician Dr. Dee hadn't been a Christian, he would have been burned at the stake (for not being a Christian, not for doing magic). Here is a URL for a novel which features Dr. Dee: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~orpheus/theob0.htm > What is Wicca anyway? Wicca is a Goddess-oriented Pagan religion sometimes called Witchcraft. If you go to Ask Jeeves http://www.ask.com/index.asp and ask "What is Wicca?", you will get page after page of URLs of people who want to explain it to you. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 08:34:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 04:34:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6216 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6094] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 4:34 am (ET) [[<<. A magical quill writes the name of a magical baby in a book at the time of its birth; Prof. McGonagall checks the book and writes letters to each when they turn eleven.>> Where did you get that line? *Wonders if she missed something again in the books???? ]] I didn't see any replys that directly answered...so The only place I saw this was on Scholastic's website there's a transcript of an interview with JKR. http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript.htm From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 11:36:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:36:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6217 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #6176] Re: Wands Date: 8/8/00 7:36 am (ET) > I've always thought that pieces of Hagrid's were made into his pink umbrella. In SoS he waves the umbrella when he does that magic. Also, when ollivanders asked him if he was still doing magic with it and he clutched his umbrella tightly. Makes sense that his umbrella has the pieces of his wand, right? Hi! I think we're all agreed on that aren't we? The thing is - I've been having a sort of war in here - as I am the only one who thinks it was never broken in the first place. a.f.h-p agree with me too. Also, nice to see someone my age in here. Anyone else not a grown-up yet? Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 11:42:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:42:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6218 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: favorite non-humans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6208] Re: favorite non-humans Date: 8/8/00 7:42 am (ET) > I like the knight in the painting (I'm too lazy to look up his name) that calls people names and picks fights. Sir Cadogan, I totally agree. I'd love to play him in the film! Wouldn't it be great to be an extra, or a painting? Nicholas From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 12:23:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:23:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6219 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 8:23 am (ET) My only concerns While reading book 4 to my son wasthe increasing use of the word "damn". I think he even asked me once why they were swearing! I explained to him that they are getting older(not that it's an excuse!). He seemed o.k. with the content, if they know the difference between fact and fiction, I think it's o.k.(also depends on the age). From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 12:37:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:37:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6220 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Casting for Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #6025] Re: Casting for Hagrid Date: 8/8/00 8:37 am (ET) <What about that HUGE football player who played with Tom Hanks in The Green Mile ? > I actually was the first person to suggest him oh-so-many-months ago! However, I think the general consensus around here would be to have a completely British cast. Although I DID finally catch Stepmom on Showtime last night, and Liam Aiken, since he actually is half-British, would , IMHO, be a wonderful Harry. What an adorable little boy! From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 13:36:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:36:00 -0400 Subject: Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6221 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Witches Date: 8/8/00 9:36 am (ET) I have found this interesting with the detractors saying the books relate to witches, etc. Sees strange there are no mention of covens, and they seem to celebrate Halloween, Christmas, etc. I would have expected large groups celebrating the solstice, and not christmas and the exchange of presents. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 13:43:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Chronology (Clocks) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6222 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Chronology (Clocks) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6144] Re: Chronology Date: 8/8/00 9:43 am (ET) No Spoiler. Hurrah! <<Unless they unearthed a treasure, how did they accumulate such wealth. Someone suggested that James inherited it.>> Well if they inherited it, then I still wonder how James's parents got it, family busines? Also as to the Potter's profession, could they have been Aurors? <<<Suppose the child is born, written in the book, and unfortunately dies before age 11 -- does McGonagall or anyone check before mailing the letters that the recipient is still alive and in Britain or Ireland? >>> While I don't know if I can respond correctly to your question, I'll try. The Weasley's had a clock that told them where everyone was located, as we saw in GoF. We had, however, already seen this magic device in chapter 1, book 1, while Dumbledore was waiting for Hagrid outside number four. Ahhh, now the point. Could they have a rather large clock, possibly at the MoM, that told where a Wizarding Family lived? Errrr, that didn't sound very good, did it? We don't want Fudge to border on totalatarinism (sp?).. Scot From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 14:13:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:13:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6223 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6182] Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 10:13 am (ET) <<<<Back to HP. Moody taught Harry how to resist the curse. Why? There wasn't anything in the maze that was going to use it against him, but Voldy. Why give the boy additional armor? This is something that has bugged me...>>>> I have been wondering about this too, and frankly I can't come up with much. My best Idea is that Moody/Crouch wanted to kill Harry himself, (as he was trying to do) after the portkey brought him back to Hogwarts. Therefore he would become Voldy's glorified servant.. Also did anyone else notice that the younger Barty Crouch did not seemed to have aged much since the trial?? Scott From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 14:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: ?berposting - Rita's latest scoop Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6224 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: 'berposting - Rita's latest scoop Reply To: [Yahoo! #6189] Re: 'berposting - Rita's latest scoop Date: 8/8/00 10:42 am (ET) I think Neil needs to know that we still love him! We do love him, right guys? well, at least I do! He's a great friend! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 14:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:49:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6225 From: GypsyCaine Subject: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 10:49 am (ET) That's an interesting question. He still has some magic about him (thank you the person who answered about removing Draco's magic, it makes sense!), so does that mean he's aging at wizard speed rather than Muggle speed? Is he really over 60? (and if Flanel is that old, does that make Dumbledore the same age?) If that's the case, then how old really are the other teachers? (Seems to think Madame T is like 120! A wizened old hag leaning over a crystal ball!) From mkplummer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 14:57:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:57:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6226 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6212] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 10:57 am (ET) I think J.K. Rowling as skirted the issue of religion, and wisely so. It's a thorny issue. It seems that Hogwarts celebrates Christmas and Halloween as secular holidays and that is that. If you are a witch or wizard, are you automatically pagen or Wicken?? We can discuss this all we like, but Rowling was wise to be fairly mute on the subject. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:08:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:08:00 -0400 Subject: No More Spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6227 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: No More Spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #6120] No More Spoilers Date: 8/8/00 11:08 am (ET) Well, I am only half-way through book 4 - so i am trying to be careful not to read anything that might let the cat out of the bag, so-to-speak. I just want to get finished so I can join the discussions freely! Marion From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:12:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6228 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6225] How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 11:12 am (ET) <Is he really over 60?> Yes. In Chamber of Secrets, Harry is in his 2nd year, which makes him 12, right? Well in that book, we find out that fifty years earlier, Hagrid was expelled, and he was either in his 2nd or 3rd year (sorry - don't have my book handy and I'm not sure.) So generally speaking, we can say with pretty positive accuracy that Hagrid is either 50 or 51 years older than Harry, which would make him 62 or 63 in chamber of Secrets. voicelady From mkplummer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:14:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6229 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6109] A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 11:14 am (ET) I had the same experience as you - re getting caught in the HP madeness! After all the "hype" I bought the paperback version of Book 1 because it was only $7 and I was curious. After reading that book I went out and bought the rest of the series! I don't have kids, so I really can't answer your question about if book 4 is too violent for children. I really think in many ways this series, and book 4 in particular, is really written for adults. I don't know if an 11 year old can really fathom all the intricies (sp) of the series - they just haven't had enough life experiences. But that's not to say that kids don't get something out of it. But some of the scenes in the series have made MY skin get goosebumps! So I don't know about kids. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:16:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:16:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6230 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6201] Word Play Date: 8/8/00 11:16 am (ET) Remus. Isn't there a word very similar that is a word puzzle itself? I cannot recall the proper word, though! Lupin was a puzzle, and we had to solve it~ From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:24:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:24:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6231 From: Skimble7 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time) Date: 8/8/00 11:24 am (ET) If there is still a question of the pronunciation of Hermoine, J.K. made a point to give it to us phonetically in GoF. When Ron is talking with his mouth full during dinner the first night back at Hogwarts, the printed text is 'er-my-knee. Thanks, now I'll never mention it again. From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:30:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6232 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Pronunciation (one more time) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6231] Pronunciation (one more time) Date: 8/8/00 11:30 am (ET) I'm not sure where it is, but my cousin mentioned that there was a website where each name was pronounced. You could do a search for that to check. The pronounciation of Hermione had more of an "uh" sound rather than an "oh" sound, because the accent is on the "my" syllable. Also, my mother saw JKR on a talk show and that was how she said it. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:39:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6233 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6226] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 11:39 am (ET) If you look at literature over all, you often see a lot of books that don't actually lean TOWARD religion but aren't Pagan either. As a Christian I often do not agree with other beliefs, but I try to respect them as I hope that those people will respect me. JK Rowling has never made her book go "either way" because that keeps more people happy and content, while not exlcuding anyone. Scott From ltumc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:39:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6234 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #6217] Re: Wands Date: 8/8/00 11:39 am (ET) >Hi! I think we're all agreed on that aren't we? Hello! I just joined up so I probably missed the discussion on Hagird's wand/umbrella then. Why don't you think that his wand ever was broken? Hagrid tells them that it was in SoS. From jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:39:00 2000 From: jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com (jeanne_1013) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6235 From: jeanne_1013 Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6203] Re: Word Play Date: 8/8/00 11:39 am (ET) Here are some more hidden meanings: Durmstrang: a play on the German literary term "Sturm und Drang," meaning "storm and stress." Argus: A giant with a hundred eyes. He kept watch over Io for Hera to make sure that she didn't fool around with Zeus. Minerva: The Roman goddess of wisdom. Sirius: Sirius is the Dog Star, and Sirius Black can turn into a dog. Fleur Delacour: French, "flower of the court." Dumbledore means bumblebee; no idea as to what that signifies. Gilderoy: A famous Scottish robber, purported to be very handsome. Hagrid: Brit slang. If you're hagrid, you're having a bad night. Since Hagrid is a heavy drinker, he has a lot of bad nights. ~Jeannie~ From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:40:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6236 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6230] Re: Word Play Date: 8/8/00 11:40 am (ET) You're probably thinking of a REBUS, which is a puzzle that uses letters, pictures and mathmatical symbols like plus signs and subtraction marks to tell you a word - sort of a visual version of the Sphinx puzzle in GoF (I hope I didn't need a spoiler for that) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:43:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6237 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6226] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 11:43 am (ET) <<If you are a witch or wizard, are you automatically pagen or Wicken?? [sp]>> I can't see how - otherwise there would be a big problem for kids from muggle households, who grew up with one religion or another, once they find out that they are a witch or a wizard. Also, I'm not very up on my Wiccan rituals, but it's my understanding that we don't see the students, or the professors for that matter, observing any Wiccan rituals as holidays and festivities - even the Halloween celebration is really an elaborate version of the best Muggle Halloween party one could have. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 15:56:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: where are the Weasley Cousins? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6238 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: where are the Weasley Cousins? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6212] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 11:56 am (ET) <<So where are all the Weasley kids' first cousins? And second cousins? Why aren't they at Hogwart's? Especially as there is reason to believe that Hogwart's is the only wizarding school for all of Britain and Ireland. >> I have come to the conclusion, based on my husband's family, that all Mr Weasley's siblings had children much older or much younger than he did - my husband is 34 - his uncles all waited until they were in their 40's to have babies, so his 1st cousins range in age from 2 and a half to 7 - an age gap of about 28 years - maybe Mr Weasley's siblings were off chasing dragons or playing quidditch & didn't start families until they were older - which would give us a Weasley Cousin entering hogwarts about now - also, maybe they moved to the US, Canada, New Zealand or Australia & go to Wizarding Schools there. From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:00:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: dogspoon's illustrations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6239 From: S_Ings Subject: dogspoon's illustrations Date: 8/8/00 12:00 pm (ET) I love them! I can't wait until my daughter comes back from vacation so she can see them, too. I particularly like the one of Snape. Fabulous work. Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:02:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Last Sunday's chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6240 From: S_Ings Subject: Last Sunday's chat Date: 8/8/00 12:02 pm (ET) Thanks to everyone who did recaps of the last chat. It makes me very sorry I missed it. Someone remind me not to vacation in small towns where no one I know owns a computer! Providing I have no meetings scheduled, I hope to join you all this coming Sunday. Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:05:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6241 From: S_Ings Subject: Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 12:05 pm (ET) Add me to the growing list of people who would like to see more of Hermione's parents, especially their reaction to her magical dental work! I am still catching up on the posts I missed while away. This group is amazingly prolific (and always very entertaining!). Only about 150 more to go. Sheryll From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:12:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6242 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6182] Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 12:12 pm (ET) <<Grins. Back to HP. Moody taught Harry how to resist the curse. Why? There wasn't anything in the maze that was going to use it against him, but Voldy. Why give the boy additional armor? This is something that has bugged me... >> I read what someone else said, that "Moody" ran the curses by the students to see what reactions Harry had, and report back to Voldemort about them - and this makes sense - it's not like "Moody" could try the Aveda on the students, but he could try the Imperius one = and then, Voldemort didn't try the Imperius curse on Harry in the graveyard - probably because he knew, from "Moody" that it wouldn't necessarily work. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:26:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:26:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Five, My to Sickles worth.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6243 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Chapter Five, My to Sickles worth.... Date: 8/8/00 12:26 pm (ET) The Weasley passages are some of the most interesting to me. I think that not only do they surround Harry with the love that he never got as a young child, but they are a perfect example of a REAL family. The Burrow is a typical magical household which probably makes it one of the most enchanting places in the books. The chapter itself could probably have been left out of the book, except for a bit of characterization, and yet I am so thankful that it wasn't. I have stayed with friends who have four children, and I can firmly say there was never a dull moment. If you are one of those "over analytical" people, like mself, (or even if you aren't), I was wondering if anyone else had come to the conclusion that many of the characters are, mataphorically speaking, illustrations of characteristics that are found in the world today. Such as the Dursely's represent predijuce (sp?) and close mindedness. I would then go so far as to say that the Weaselys represent family values, (and not just because they have so many children). When you juxtapose the two familys together it seems really ironic that the ones who look like they should be happy, (biggest worry Dudley losing weight), aren't because they are so afraid of wizarding folk. Who while Voldemort is gaining power, and the dark arts are seemingly on there doorstep, (they didn't even know it- take CoS), are happy simply because they have each other.... This message may be my two Galleons worth now that I read it!!! Scott From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6244 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Date: 8/8/00 12:32 pm (ET) Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 By MATT WOLF= Associated Press Writer=LONDON (AP) >From Dylan Thomas to George Smiley to Obi-Wan Kenobi: Sir Alec Guinness made them all live during an acting career that stretched across six mesmerizing decades.Tributes poured forth Monday for the self-effacing actor, who died at age 86 on Saturday. Hospital officials did not specify the cause of death, but newspapers said it was liver cancer. ``The world has lost a great artist,'' said George Lucas, creator of the ``Star Wars'' movies that, beginning in 1977, brought Guinness to a vast international audience, winning him an Oscar nomination for best supporting actor as Obi-Wan Kenobi. Guinness had previously taken the best actor prize for playing a British colonel in David Lean's 1957 film, ``The Bridge On the River Kwai.'' In 1980, he received an honorary Oscar for his overall career. John Mills, Guinness' co-star in his screen debut in another Lean film, the 1946 ``Great Expectations,'' called him ``one of the greatest character actors .. a very, very rare person.'' Guinness was a reluctant superstar, preferring to go about unrecognized. ``Dear Ron,'' he wrote the writer Ronald Harwood, who compiled tributes to the actor on his 75th birthday, ``wouldn't it be good to call the whole thing off? I must say I'd breathe more easily.'' Guinness gave an interview to The Associated Press during the 1988 Berlin Film Festival _ but only on condition that it take place at the Berlin Zoo, where the actor enjoyed chatting to the animals. ``Star Wars'' co-star Carrie Fisher recalled Guinness's quiet poise: ``While the rest of us were sitting on the set, it was as if (Alec) were sitting on the deck of a yacht. He had a way of elevating his environment.'' From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at (2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6245 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at (2) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6244] Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Date: 8/8/00 12:32 pm (ET) His death further thins Britain's ranks of elder statesmen actors, following the loss earlier this year of Sir John Gielgud, one of Guinness's lifelong friends. Few actors shared Guinness's genius for submerging himself in a role, so that the part _ not his personality _ came through. But Guinness gently dismissed the tag once given him by his agent: ``The man of a thousand faces.''``It's absolute rubbish _ it has plagued me all my life,'' he complained. Guinness was born out of wedlock on April 2, 1914, and did not know until he was 14 that the name on his birth certificate was Guinness.``I wasn't miserable _ children accept what happens _ but I had a lonely childhood and I suppose acting came from inventing things for myself,'' he once said. Following boarding school, Guinness worked briefly as an advertising copywriter, spending most of his pound-a-week salary on theater tickets. After lessons with the actress Martita Hunt, he won a place at the Fay Compton School of Acting. There, Gielgud judged the end-of-term performances and chose Guinness as the winner, later giving him a break as Osric in ``Hamlet'' in 1934. Guinness married actress Merula Salaman in 1938. They had a son, Matthew, and lived in the country 50 miles southwest of London. Guinness helped define the Ealing Studio comedies of the late 1940s and the 1950s _ ``The Man in the White Suit,'' ``The Lavender Hill Mob,'' ``The Lady Killers,'' and, most remarkably, ``Kind Hearts and Coronets,'' in which he played the entire d'Ascoyne family. His collaborations with director Lean were a career constant, from ``Great Expectations'' and ``Oliver Twist'' in the 1940s through ``River Kwai,'' ``Dr. Zhivago,'' and, finally, ``A Passage to India'' in 1984. He won a Tony award as best actor for playing poet Dylan Thomas in ``Dylan'' on Broadway in 1964. But it was his role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in ``Star Wars'' and its two sequels that brought Guinness pop culture celebrity _ and some dismay. Guinness said he detested the ``Star Wars'' phenomenon and once described the films' dialogue as ``frightful rubbish.'' On television, Guinness distinguished himself as John Le Carre's quiet spy, George Smiley, in ``Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy,'' and ``Smiley's People'' in 1979 and 1981. Guinness's 1985 memoir, ``Blessings in Disguise,'' told more about the talented and eccentric people he knew than about himself. In one of the stories he told about himself, Guinness checks his hat and coat at a restaurant and asks for a claim ticket. ``It will not be necessary,'' the attendant says, smiling. Pleased at being recognized, Guinness later retrieves his garments, puts his hand in the coat pocket and finds a slip of paper on which is written, ``Bald with glasses.'' From the_dark_vivi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:37:00 2000 From: the_dark_vivi at yahoo.com (the_dark_vivi) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6246 From: the_dark_vivi Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6242] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 12:37 pm (ET) The dark lord did try the Imperious Curse on him. He wanted Harry to say the pain was to much. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:39:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:39:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Weasley kids Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6247 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Number of Weasley kids Reply To: [Yahoo! #6212] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 12:39 pm (ET) <<I like to think that they have so many kids because they kept trying for a girl.>> I thought maybe they were trying for a built in Quidditch team <g>. Melanie From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 16:49:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6248 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6246] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 12:49 pm (ET) No, that wasn't Imperious- it was Crucia-whatever (don't have my book here). And Moody couldn't really try that on the students either. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 17:00:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6249 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Hermione's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #6241] Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 1:00 pm (ET) <<Add me to the growing list of people who would like to see more of Hermione's parents, especially their reaction to her magical dental work!>> I'm also curious about how much she's told them about Viktor. How would they react to their "little girl" dating a sports star 4 years her senior, let alone visiting him over the summer? My parents are huge fans of the San Diego Padres. But I doubt their enthusiasm would have extended to the idea of me, at 14, having a Padre boyfriend (even an 18-year-old rookie). Just one of those parenting cares that surpass muggle/wizard lines. Melanie From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 17:37:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6250 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6215] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 1:37 pm (ET) >>> > I am a Christian and do not see how the two worlds [Christianity and magic] could intertwine but I suppose that the book is intended for a younger audience that would probably not recognize the clash of the two worlds. >>> Let me add a disclaimer before I begin -- the following is my opinion. I hope I'm not offending anyone. I respect the right of everyone to practice whatever religion they choose, even if I don't agree with their beliefs. That said... This conversation reminds me of "The Secret Garden" by Frances Hodgson Burnett (sp?). Mary, Dickon, and Colin frequently refer to "Magic" as what helped make Colin well. Mrs. Sowerby encourages this, saying something to the effect of, "The Great Magician doesn't care what you call it, He knows what it is." (That's not a direct quote, but I don't have a copy handy.) As a Christian, that's my take too...after all, magic used for good can certainly have the power of God behind it, and magic used for evil can certainly have the power of Satan behind it. Voldemort seems a very Satanic character, IMHO. As for the celebration of Christmas or Easter, both (especially Christmas) are celebrated widely around the world, even by those with no ties to Christianity. Perhaps JKR thought if she had Harry celebrating winter break or spring break, many of her readers would innundate her with questions like, "What about Christmas? Why doesn't Harry celebrate Christmas?" If I'd read these books when 8 years old, I would have asked that...just my opinion, though... -- JoAnna From ophelia1322 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 17:48:00 2000 From: ophelia1322 at yahoo.com (ophelia1322) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Religion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6251 From: ophelia1322 Subject: Re: Religion Reply To: [Yahoo! #6250] Re: Religion Date: 8/8/00 1:48 pm (ET) In my street we have about 5 different religions that I know of, and everyone sends cards and has presents and guests and decorations so why wouldn't Harry and the others at Hogwarts? I agree, I think she's just using recognisable events, and that maybe theyre just celebrating the festivities, not the religious aspect? Although they do have a Yule ball too. I couldn't see the original post so I could be totally off topic. Effie From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 17:52:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: Gloucester Cathedral Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6252 From: pam_scruton Subject: Gloucester Cathedral Date: 8/8/00 1:52 pm (ET) Gloucester Cathedral has agreed to play the part of Hogwarts School in the film whereas Canterbury Cathedral whilst not seeing any problems with the books felt that some people might be offended and refused. Personally I think Gloucester is better anyway - Canterbury is far too well known world-wide. But I'm just waiting for someone to suggest that the Diocese of Gloucester is managed by the devile and all his minions. Pam From ophelia1322 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 17:59:00 2000 From: ophelia1322 at yahoo.com (ophelia1322) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts -- Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6253 From: ophelia1322 Subject: Re: Hogwarts -- Reply To: [Yahoo! #6133] Hogwarts -- "Leaving" vs "Graduating" Date: 8/8/00 1:59 pm (ET) Yeah, if she was writing it as a reflection of real British schools, there would not be a graduation - instead there would be a 'last day' where lessons are as normal and no turns up, there would be final exams 2 weeks later, and then in a month they would all turn up, grab their envelope of results, and go home again. Graduation would make a far more interesting story line. Effie From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:05:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6254 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: Hermione's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #6249] Re: Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 2:05 pm (ET) At 14 most of my boyfriends were at least 17 - parents not desperately overjoyed but my activities were much more severely limited than 14 year olds today. I can't remember whether Viktor lives with his parents - that would make a difference, and it is possible that in any case Hermione's parents have been invited too. In any case, she will have some time with her parents before the visit and they will make sure that things are done sensibly - they seem to have raised her pretty well so far, and it can't be easy for Muggles to raise baby witches and wizards. Pam From shellymoos at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:16:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6255 From: shellymoos Subject: Re: Hermione's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #6249] Re: Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 2:16 pm (ET) Hi all, Regarding Hermione dating Viktor. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that the kids in the wizard world seem to be a little bit more "grown-up" than the kids in the Muggle world. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they seem to be forced to face more life and death situations than other kids do. Well at least maybe in Book 5 with Voldermort back on the loose. But if you compare Dudley say with Harry, Ron or Hermione you can see the difference. Part of that is that Dudley is so overspoiled by his parents and that is probably why he is so babyish, but the wizard kids have always seem to me to be a little more mature than their counterparts. Such as drinking butterbeer. Does anyone know if it is really a "beer" or more like root beer? They always say that is "warms" them up when they drink it. To me that says that it has some amount of alchol in it. And no before anyone goes off, I don't have anything against a child having just a little bit. I figure if it is given to them when they are young in small amounts then when they are teenagers and older it is not the big deal that is can become. Till later Shelly From China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:20:00 2000 From: China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com (China_Doll1217) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: I LOVE these books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6256 From: China_Doll1217 Subject: I LOVE these books Date: 8/8/00 2:20 pm (ET) Hi everyone. I just read the first two books recently because I was curious to see what all the hype was about. I think they are great, and I am starting the 3rd one today. I will be back after I read it to share my thoughts and chat. Jennifer From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:26:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:26:00 -0400 Subject: How many students?/FAQ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6257 From: jferer Subject: Re: How many students?/FAQ Reply To: [Yahoo! #6202] Re: How many students?/FAQ Date: 8/8/00 2:26 pm (ET) It's fine to speculate, and I'd like to see an essay area where we can develop these speculations at length. I do agree, however, that everything has to start with that which is found in the books themselves or in things JKR has said (in interviews, for example). From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:32:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6258 From: jferer Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6174] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 2:32 pm (ET) I believe there are *two* acceptable sources for FAQ's and essays: the books themselves (as you say) *and* things JKR has said (in interviews, for example). It was from one of these interviews that I got the "magical quill" that registers the birth of a magical baby. My premise is that the number of students per house per year is somewhat random. It can't be that there is the same number per gender/house/year. And I think 280 is too low a number. I don't know of JKR specifying a number, and the number I came up with (467, +/-) is still a small school. From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 18:42:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:42:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6259 From: jferer Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6102] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 2:42 pm (ET) Catlady, I don't think we can be sure we know everything that was in the letter Harry got. It might have gotten into more detail than we heard. Also, don't forget Harry is so special we're not sure what they do with other students. They might send a mentor (an older student or a volunteer wizard parent, for example) That's a great idea for a piece of fan fiction -- an interview with Hermione about her experiences and her friendship with JK Rowling, Harry's Dr. Watson. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 19:03:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: Hermoine and Victor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6260 From: mkplummer Subject: Hermoine and Victor Reply To: [Yahoo! #6249] Re: Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 3:03 pm (ET) Hermoine DATING Victor! Oh gosh - I wish I hadn't read that post!! I had no idea...must have happened later on in book 4. I'd better go back to my book before I start reading messages here.. but, I'm very happy for her!! Way to Go Hermoine!! From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 19:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6261 From: jferer Subject: Re: Pronunciation (one more time) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6232] Re: Pronunciation (one more time) Date: 8/8/00 3:18 pm (ET) The pronunciation guide is on Scholastic's site, http://www.scholastic.com . From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 19:47:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6262 From: jferer Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6229] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 3:47 pm (ET) My six year old has had no trouble with any of the books. I think well-prepared kids take the books on the level they're ready for. The rest goes over their head. What I think JKR has done is interesting and subtle. She's bringing her young readers along into a more mature view of the world that a lot of adults haven't acheived. They are learing important things: 1. Bad is really *bad*. This is really important. How many young people are growing up thinking that the bad guys are cool, or at least really not that bad? It starts with "monsters" in Scooby-Doo and keeps going with half-funny Disney villains. There's nothing funny about Voldemort, and I think that's the way it ought to be. There are things worth fighting and dying for. 2. Things aren't black and white. Here we are with Fudge, a pleasant enough old codger, but also a head-in-the-sand apparatchik who just wants to protect his cushy job, doing evil's work by not stepping up to the plate against Voldemort; and Snape, a truly nasty so-and-so who is about to risk his life a second time against evil. Where else can a young person get that to chew on? Another example: Hermione really starts to care about something outside herself (house-elves), gets energized and caring and motivated, and finds out it's not as simple as she thought. 3. Heroes pay a price. This rarely happens in the movies or TV. Harry's been hurt since he was one year old and his parents were slaughtered. Now he's lost a friend and he's suffered some more, and he isn't done paying. Where else in literature do you get this? I think JKR is doing a masterful job at bringing this stuff home to her public. From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:10:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione and parents & Chp. 5 reply Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6263 From: sammie_dd Subject: Hermione and parents & Chp. 5 reply Date: 8/8/00 4:10 pm (ET) I have one busy day at twork and it takes me ALL day to get through the posts! EEK. Here's my 2C: harry_potter00 wrote: "If you are one of those "over analytical" people, like mself, (or even if you aren't), I was wondering if anyone else had come to the conclusion that many of the characters are, mataphorically speaking, illustrations of characteristics that are found in the world today. Such as the Dursely's represent predijuce (sp?) and close mindedness. I would then go so far as to say that the Weaselys represent family values, (and not just because they have so many children). ". I'm not an analytical type, but reading your thoughts, I'd have to agree. I would also say that Hogwarts represents Harry's "Family", much like schools are forced to do today in America. Also- Hermione and her parents: I would assume that her parents, because they love their daughter, have learned about the wizarding world, so that she could fit in. They obviously have no problems with her being at Hogwarts or spending parts of her vacation with the Weasley's and going to sporting events. I would assume that since she reads various history books over the summers, that she fills in her parents on what she is reading and what it means to her. It reminds me of when I was her age. I was a child actor. My parents had no real experience in theatre, but they were supportive, and let me spend hours, and sometime days, in rehearsals and on the raod. I picture Hermione's parents being the same way. Doing it for their daughter, because it (being a witch) is a large part of her life. Okay, I'm done now. Time to start on my 350 messages for the FAQ page. Sam D. :) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:14:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Weasley kids Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6264 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Number of Weasley kids Reply To: [Yahoo! #6247] Number of Weasley kids Date: 8/8/00 4:14 pm (ET) Melanie! Chuckles... What about Ginny maybe playing Quidditch? The twins won't be around forever, nor will Ron and Harry.... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:38:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students Each Year Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6265 From: plinsenmayer Subject: # of Students Each Year Date: 8/8/00 4:38 pm (ET) Hi: First off -- you guys are so prolific, and we can't even blame it on the UberPoster, Neil. I can't believe how many messages I want to respond to. I'm combining some of the # of students thoughts into this message. I'm afraid I agree with Vicki -- I think Catlady's numbers seem off and are speculative. I see no evidence whatsoever from the books or public statements by JKR for us to assume that there are more than 5 Gryffindor boys in Harry's year. I agree with Vicki that theorizing is great, but you do need to base it in concrete evidence. The books & JKR's public statements are the best sources. They aren't necessarily the *only* sources. But, with respect to the number of students, I can't think of any other reliable sources other than the books or JKR interviews. The Quidditch match where there are supposedly 200 Slytherin supporters: I would imagine a fair number of alumni show up from time to time to see the Quidditch matches. Certainly a fair number of Hogsmeade residents would show up for those matches I would think. This most easily explains the large crowds at the Quidditch match. I just don't think that the numbers of fans attending a Quidditch match is the best evidence to use in determining the general student population of Hogwarts in any given year. On the other hand, I also don't subscribe to the theory that there are exactly 5 boys & 5 girls per House per year (not if we believe the Sorting Hat sorts people according to their abilities, personality, ambitions, etc.). My guess is that there are *about* 8-12, maybe 8-15 students per House per year. I think the total student population is likely somewhere between 225-300 students at any given time. There were some lengthy posts about this at some earlier point, and yes the FAQs committee will find them. Sorry, I can't give any more concrete evidence for my own views at this point, but the FAQs will address it. Catlady is right though: the FAQs should (and will) include all theories advanced or at least a reference to messages to review for contradicting theories. Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6266 From: Danemead Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6262] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 4:43 pm (ET) >>>jferer wrote: 1. Bad is really *bad*. 2. Things aren't black and white. 3. Heroes pay a price. <<< Outstanding post! This was really well said. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students Per Year (Cont'd) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6267 From: plinsenmayer Subject: # of Students Per Year (Cont'd) Date: 8/8/00 4:43 pm (ET) Hi: Ooops -- meant to include this too: <<<All the first-year students take the trip from Hogsmeade station to Hogwarts in boats, while the second through seventh-years take carriages, described as about a hundred, that seat at least four each.>>> Yes, but just because each carriage will hold 4 students each doesn't mean that 4 students get into each carriage. In PoA, Harry's carriage only includes him, Ron & Hermione. So . . . I also don't think this is reliable evidence for a larger student population. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: For Nicholas Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6268 From: plinsenmayer Subject: For Nicholas Date: 8/8/00 4:47 pm (ET) Nicholas-- <<<PS> Penny - How is my Spelling, ounctuation and Grammar?>>> Great! By the way, the only problem I ever had with your posts was the all lower-case business. I think you contribute alot to our discussions (although, sorry, you still haven't convinced me that Hagrid's wand was never snapped). <g> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 20:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: UberPoster & the Quick-Quotes Quill Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6269 From: plinsenmayer Subject: UberPoster & the Quick-Quotes Quill Date: 8/8/00 4:53 pm (ET) Neil -- I don't normally post messages just to say "ROFL." But, there you go. ROFL!!! Then again, I could be in danger of surpassing the UberPoster if I don't stop responding to so many of these darn messages. <g> Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:02:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:02:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6270 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6201] Word Play Date: 8/8/00 5:02 pm (ET) >Diagon Alley is obviously derived from diagonally. Well, I tried to find >some more "hidden words" if you will and came up with absolute crap. Ahem.. Took me two readings to catch this one: Knockturn Alley = Nocturnally - i.e. where things are done by night..... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6271 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6228] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 5:04 pm (ET) <<So generally speaking, we can say with pretty positive accuracy that Hagrid is either 50 or 51 years older than Harry, which would make him 62 or 63 in chamber of Secrets.>> I agree with this, but I wonder what his hybrid nature does to his developmental rate? He may be in his early 60s but might look a lot younger in human terms if his giant side gives him a longer lifespan. Incidentally, I've grown a long white beard while reading through the posts here. I'd better go and shave... Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6272 From: plinsenmayer Subject: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 5:04 pm (ET) Hi: Neil -- so, since you were at Hogwarts, surely you can clear up some of the raging debates we're all having (how many students were there in any given year, when did James & Lily marry, etc.). Since you were a Marauder, I feel certain you must have attended the Potters' wedding. <g> So, -- what animagus would be nicknamed "Horny"? I'm thinking of a horned toad, but I'm doubting they have those in Britain. So, hmmmm. . . . . do tell us what animal you transform into. <vbg> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs -- to include Speculation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6273 From: plinsenmayer Subject: FAQs -- to include Speculation Date: 8/8/00 5:07 pm (ET) Hi: <<<The FAQ, as I understand it, isn't just about providing a ready reference to things in the HP books, it's also about classifying some of the wealth of opinion here. It will, I assume, include discussion about the number of students at Hogwarts and take in all the suggestions that have been made.>>> Absolutely. The FAQs will not include just FACTS. As soon as I catch up on Yahoo posting, I will head over to the FAQs group btw. <g> Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:09:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:09:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6274 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: favorite non-humans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6159] favorite non-humans Date: 8/8/00 5:09 pm (ET) By: profadumbledore Date: 8/7/00 11:42 pm "if this has already been covered, my apologies.... Which is everyone's favorite non-human?" The owls are the best! I love Hedwig--she's so temperamental. Pigwidgeon is funny and has a cool name. Ebony AKA AngieJ From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:11:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students Each Year Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6275 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: # of Students Each Year Reply To: [Yahoo! #6265] # of Students Each Year Date: 8/8/00 5:11 pm (ET) I am inclined to agree that the number is more than 280 or so. For one thing, I've been going through the copy of Philosopher's Stone that vjmerri/Vicki brought me from the UK (we know each other in person) looking for the differences - (Dudley's new word in Chapter 1: UK edition: "Shan't", US edition: "Won't"; 'bogies' in the UK but 'boogers' in the US. :-), and I need to cross-correlate some of the Muggle candy to see if that is different in the US vice the UK versions - my Sorceror's Stone is lent out to a different friend at the moment) - but anyway, I noticed, since the subject of numbers is in discussion, that JKR says "Hundreds of (students') faces" in the sorting hat chapter. Now "hundreds" sounds like it should be more like 400-500+, than 2-300, but of course that is hardly exact. Also, we do not know that there weren't names on the first-years list that were omitted from the recitation during sorting in Book I, as Harry is distracted quite a bit of the time.... From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:11:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6276 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6248] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 5:11 pm (ET) Beg your pardon, heidi, but you are mistaken. The curse in question was indeed Imperius, but Voldy also performed the Cruciatus curse on Harry, first. Then, while Harry was incapacitated from the pain, Voldy attempted to force Harry to admit the pain was too much for him to bear, by using the Imperius curse. His attempt was foiled when Harry refused to allow the curse to dominate his thoughts and actions. So, the proposition that Moody tested out Imperius on Harry to see how he would respond, in order to tell Voldy about Harry's reaction, can't be the case. If Moody had really told Voldy about Harry's ability to resist Imperius, the Dark Lord wouldn't have attempted that curse at all. Regards, Hot Gazpacho From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6277 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6272] The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 5:14 pm (ET) <<Neil -- so, since you were at Hogwarts, surely you can clear up some of the raging debates we're all having (how many students were there in any given year, when did James & Lily marry, etc.).>> Hmmm. I never counted the number of students, but there was this Ravenclaw prefect called Catlady de Los Angeles who used to roam the corridors with a clipboard, checking people off. The trouble is, the doors and staircases move around all the time, so it was a bit like painting the Forth Bridge. She gave up. The Potter wedding? Well, I don't want to spoil that. But, hey, guess what! I've seen Sirius naked!!! <<So, -- what animagus would be nicknamed "Horny"? I'm thinking of a horned toad, but I'm doubting they have those in Britain. So, hmmmm. . . . . do tell us what animal you transform into. <vbg>>> No, Penny, not a toad. I was a mechanimagus - I turned into a car - a neat little Ford Anglia. Y'know? Neil, toots his horn From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:18:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: Offspring -- Purebloods?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6278 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Offspring -- Purebloods?? Date: 8/8/00 5:18 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Magical people from two Muggle parents are called Muggle-born, and the bad guys call them Mudbloods. Magical people with one Muggle parent are called half-and-half and the bad guys call both them and magical people with one Muggle-born witch/wizard parent and one 'pureblood' witch/wizard parent a Halfblood. They seem to call Harry a Halfblood because his mother was a Mudblood, but if he were to marry Ginny (I am not trying to side with *any* shippers!) I gather that their children would count as Purebloods.>>> Hmmm. Hmmm. Why would their children be "purebloods" if Harry is a Half-blood? This seems counter-intuitive to me. I wouldn't think Harry could confer "greater" status than he has on his own offspring. I in no way am implying that Purebloods are *greater* than Half-Bloods btw. But, if you assume a social hierarchy of Pureblood, Half-Blood, Muggle-born (but magical), Muggle -- then how can any of Harry's offspring ever be "pure-bloods"? They will always have a paternal grandmother who was muggle-born. So, in the Harry & Ginny example, their children would be 75% "pure-blood" & 25% "muggle-born" (or 50% "half-blood" and 50% "pure-blood). If Harry & Hermione were to have children, they would be 75% "muggle-born" & 25% "pure-blood." All of the above assumes James Potter was "pure-blood." What if his paternal grandmother was a muggle -- does this "taint" his pure-blood status? Questions! Penny From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:18:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6279 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6191] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 5:18 pm (ET) But catlady, If Moody clearly discovered that Harry could resist Imperious, why did Voldy try the curse on Harry later? Did Moody forget to tell Voldy about Harry's immunity to Imperius? Did Voldy think he could still execute the curse even though Harry had resisted it in the past? This last suggestion seems plausible -- Voldy is certainly prone to overestimating his power, skill and ability (one of his consistent downfalls), and even if Moody had told him that Imperius wouldn't work on Harry, Voldy probably blew it off and said "*I* could make the curse work on that pathetic little boy" Thank goodness he's always underestimating Harry, it seems to be the only way Harry keeps surviving these battles with him! Regards, Hot Gazpacho From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6280 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6255] Re: Hermione's parents Date: 8/8/00 5:20 pm (ET) <<Such as drinking butterbeer. Does anyone know if it is really a "beer" or more like root beer? They always say that is "warms" them up when they drink it. To me that says that it has some amount of alcohol in it>> I am thinking it's like apple cider, when you serve it hot, it is warm and filling, but most times non-alcoholic. From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:30:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6281 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #6234] Re: Wands Date: 8/8/00 5:30 pm (ET) >Why don't you think that his wand ever was >broken? Hagrid tells them that it was in SoS. Yes, but he can barely look Ollivander in the face when he says his wand was snapped in half, and then Ollivander gives him a long, piercing look, like he doesn't quite believe him. Now, Hagrid may have been looking down in shame at having his wand snapped in half, but then why would he reply cheerfully (almost immediately afterward), that he still has the pieces? I think his reply smacks of someone who's pleased with themselves that they've come up with a convinving lie. Regards, Hot Gazpacho From joy0823 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:31:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: "A Sirius Affair" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6282 From: Joy0823 Subject: "A Sirius Affair" Reply To: [Yahoo! #6195] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/8/00 5:31 pm (ET) I loved the first three chapters of "A Sirius Affair"! Great job! Will future chapters explain how Ron died, or did I miss something in another story? Also, could someone let me know when new chapters are posted? I'm not a member of that group. Thanks! ~Joy~ From joy0823 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:41:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:41:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6283 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6230] Re: Word Play Date: 8/8/00 5:41 pm (ET) GypsyCaine wrote: <<Remus. Isn't there a word very similar that is a word puzzle itself? I cannot recall the proper word, though!>> That's a rebus, a phrase spelled out using pictures. ~Joy~ From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:47:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6284 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6235] Re: Word Play Date: 8/8/00 5:47 pm (ET) <<Hagrid: Brit slang. If you're hagrid, you're having a bad night. Since Hagrid is a heavy drinker, he has a lot of bad nights.>> You may be thinking of 'haggard' - appearing to be exhausted and distraught, but there is also another word 'hagridden', which means afflicted by nightmares or anxieties. I've never heard the word hagrid used as slang, but I have a feeling it may be common parlance in Scotland. Neil From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:50:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Subject: Hey You Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6285 From: estesrandy Subject: Hey You Date: 8/8/00 5:50 pm (ET) Carole Shouldn't you be watching the kids right now ?! Instead of reading all these HP posts! Are you using the freeze charm again on the little rascals? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:50:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6286 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #6282] "A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/8/00 5:50 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I loved the first three chapters of "A Sirius Affair"! Great job! Will future chapters explain how Ron died, or did I miss something in another story? Also, could someone let me know when new chapters are posted? I'm not a member of that group. Thanks!>>> Oooh, yes, you would probably enjoy the story more if you read Paradigm of Uncertainty first. Mine & Carole's story (A Sirius Affair) is a prequel to Paradigm, so it might make most sense if you've read Paradigm. Paradigm is also in progress (13 of 15 chapters posted). You don't have to subscribe to the Paradigm egroups to access the files (if all you want is to read the story). If you subscribe, you get all the commentary from the authors & the members of the egroups. Danemead -- thanks for the plug! We were quite happy with that broomsticks conversation. <g> Here's the link again -- you can find both Paradigm (13 chapters) & A Sirius Affair (4 chapters) in the Files section -- http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:53:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: HP Fanfic Makes Muggle News Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6287 From: selah_1977 Subject: HP Fanfic Makes Muggle News Reply To: [Yahoo! #6282] "A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/8/00 5:53 pm (ET) Apologies to all PoU list members, who received this last night... Seen on the Entertainment page of this week's U.S. News and World Report. Right underneath an article about "Watching the English channel" (about the BBC)--in the Ask Dr. Hip column-- --------(p. 58, U.S. News and World Report, 8/14/2000)-------- Q: I love Harry Potter so much that I wrote my own story about him. Are there others like me? A: Your people gather online. Harry Potter thrives in the fan fiction underworld, where true believers craft stories based on existing characters--fanfiction.net alone has nearly 4,000 stories. In fans' fervent imaginings, Harry and friends grow up, get married, and even get stranded on an island *a la Survivor*. Unlike *Star Trek* and *X-Files* fanfic, the stories avoid risque liasions, though in one, pal Hermione carries Harry's love child. Most writers prefer chaste adventure or starry-eyed romance, and favor such florid prose as, "I think we could do anything," Hermione whispered... felt Harry's hand gently cup her cheek, and his lips softly touch hers. ------------ I laughed SO hard at what the general impression of HP fandom must be, and had to share. And as far as the risque goes, that reporter certainly never read "Paradigm of Uncertainty" or "A Sirius Affair". Lori, Penny, and Carole aren't into florid purple prose, so... <g> Which reminds me. I have a fanfic to beta-read... another to post my two Galleons about (waves at Penny and Carole)... and about 350 messages to peruse. Ebony AKA AngieJ From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:56:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:56:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6288 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6170] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 5:56 pm (ET) Are any parents concerned that the series may be >turning a bit too violent? Yes, I agree. While I am thrilled with the content and complexity of book 4 as an adult. I am sad that it lacks the same ability to cross over to younger children that the first 3 did. I did not worry much about the first books with my 7 year old son, but now I feel we must censor some of the pages to suit his age. Not so much the language as the darkness and feeling of evil doing harm to good people that young guys aren't quite ready to handle. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 21:58:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6289 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6280] Butterbeer Date: 8/8/00 5:58 pm (ET) <<I am thinking it's like apple cider, when you serve it hot, it is warm and filling, but most times non-alcoholic. >> I sort of thought that it was slightly Alcoholic, as in GoF, Winky gets a bit tipsy off it. Harry tells Dobby that it's not strong stuff, and he say's that it is for House-Elves. "Not strong stuff" leads me to believe that it is a very weak, but slightly Alcoholic drink. Also if it comes in bottles it couldn't be served hot. Unless they are kept warm by magic. Scott (Who would love to try Butterbeer, alcoholic or not) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:00:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6290 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Twins... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6173] Re: Twins... Date: 8/8/00 6:00 pm (ET) >I am more curious how they figured out how to OPERATE the Marauders' Map -- learning the command to turn it on and the command to turn it off and verifying its accuracy and safety must have taken a lot of investigative magic. >>> I picture the map sensing the personality of the one holding it and perhaps speaking to the new owner in a similar manner to Tom Riddle's diary speaking to Harry through the writing on the pages. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:02:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time)/source Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6291 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Pronunciation (one more time)/source Reply To: [Yahoo! #6232] Re: Pronunciation (one more time) Date: 8/8/00 6:02 pm (ET) Hermione would be expected, being from the same source (Greek - specifically, myth/legend), rhyme with "Calliope", which indeed is the way JKR pronounces it (Q&A shown on CBS: Sunday Morning on 9 July Child: "Is there a character you based on yourself?" JKR: "Yes, but I am a bit ashamed to admit it:" (bashful grin): "Hermione". (Audience giggles). At any rate, Hermione in legend/myth Greek literature was the daughter of Helen (of Troy) and Menelaus, Helen's Greek husband. When Helen went to Troy, Menelaus, Agammemnon, & Achilles were all part of the army that went after her (See _The Iliad_ by some blind guy:-). Hermione married Achilles. After Achilles' death she married Orestes, the son of Agammemnon and Clytemnestra (Helen's half-sister)..... at any rate, there seems to have been a lot more formal education in the UK than in the US about Greek and Roman legend/mythology, and UK authors often make use of classical references such as this. Similarly, names from Greek legend/mythology were frequently used in the 18th through 20th centuries for Royal Navy Warships, so we find in WWII there was an RN 'Dido' class cruiser named HMS HERMIONE (there was a SIRIUS in the same class, by the way....) and the name was carried again by a LEANDER class frigate, 1965-1992 (and there was also a SIRIUS in that class....). From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:02:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6292 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6277] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 6:02 pm (ET) <<No, Penny, not a toad>> Just so you know, Neil - hornytoads are lizards :) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:05:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6293 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Reply To: [Yahoo! #6175] Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Date: 8/8/00 6:05 pm (ET) >>but what of his connection to Wormtail? In PoA, Dumbledore says that now Wormtail is in Harry's debt, and they are connected..certainly Wormtail doesn't redeem himself in GoF..so what will happen in the future?<<< Since Wormtail is indebted to Harry for services rendered, what if the Harry Blood inside Voldemort was able to speak thru Voldemort somehow thru a spell or something? The magic voice tells Wormtail to do Voldemort in just before he finishes off Harry. Wormtail would be essentially obeying Voldemort and Harry at the same time and feel no conflict of interests for that split second !!! Just a crazy thought ! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:10:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6294 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6177] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/8/00 6:10 pm (ET) That will have to wait for a while, since he proudly loaned the whole series to his uncle for a short while. I think there will be another adult convert soon! >>Speaking of converts. I have been talking about the HP series at work for 4 months now at lunches and breaks. Someone asked to borrow book one last week and I loaned it to them. I think we've got another fish on the line !! Reel 'em in JKR ! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:10:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6295 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Marauder's map Reply To: [Yahoo! #6293] Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Date: 8/8/00 6:10 pm (ET) The Weasley twins may not have needed to figure out how to work the Marauder's Map - it may have been left 'turned on' - IIRC there is nothing in the description of their finding it that contradicts that - and thus it was still 'on' when they first snitched it. Then, probably needing only a fairly simple bit of 'spelling' and communicating with it, they could have been given the full operating instructions, like how to turn it dormant. Filch may have just never got around to telling anyone else, in the midst of all the goings on in the HP books, about knowing the full capability of it - for one thing not wanting to admit he'd actually had something lifted from his office. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:15:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: For Nicholas Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6296 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: For Nicholas Reply To: [Yahoo! #6268] For Nicholas Date: 8/8/00 6:15 pm (ET) <<sorry, you still haven't convinced me that Hagrid's wand >> I think it's still intact, and whole as the day he bought it. Why else hide the umbrella? And anyone who's been in trouble will answer the same non-distinct way he did in the wand shop! From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:16:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6297 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6276] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 6:16 pm (ET) >>>>If Moody had really told Voldy about Harry's ability to resist Imperius, the Dark Lord wouldn't have attempted that curse at all. Regards, Hot Gazpacho <<<<<< I'm not too sure about Voldemort's creative thinking abilities. I mean, the guy already tried the Avada Kedavra curse on Harry once before, and look what happened. Why did he try it again, when a nice .45 caliber slug in the forehead would have vanquished Mr. Potter most effectively! I know, I know... he was trying to show off his power to his pathetic collection of Death Eaters, but it sorta backfired on him again, huh? From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:18:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6298 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6277] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 6:18 pm (ET) {Randy...ignore this post} By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/8/00 5:14 pm wrote: The Potter wedding? Well, I don't want to spoil that. But, hey, guess what! I've seen Sirius naked!!! *********************** Ooooooo, don't make me drool...you know I have a thing for Sirius.....and what exactly were you doing in order to see him naked????? (were you in car or human form????) carole From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:29:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6299 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Marauder's map Reply To: [Yahoo! #6293] Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Date: 8/8/00 6:29 pm (ET) I find the Marauder's Map another possible source of jealousy between Ron and Harry. After all, Ron's brothers gave the map to Harry, rather than giving it to their own brother. What must poor Ron think of THAT? Ron only comments on it once, when he finds out where Harry got the map, but it's just another burr under Ron's saddle in his battle with the green-eyed monster of Jealousy. (oooh -- green-eyed??? possible arcane connection to Harry?... NAH!) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:38:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: The fifth Marauder? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6300 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: The fifth Marauder? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6192] Re: The fifth Marauder? Date: 8/8/00 6:38 pm (ET) >>I can confirm this. I am 39 and I was in the same year at Hogwarts. I was, in fact the forgotten fifth member of the marauders - Horny. << I thought you sounded familiar ! It's me, Randolph! ( the girls all called me Randy :0) I just turned 40 this year! I got held back a year because of that run in with Slyterins and the auto-summoning charms I put on the bathroom toilet seats. But that's another story. Anyway, I noticed a few older folks over 40 on this board. If interested, I wrote a couple of funny song lyrics about being over 40 and part of the post-war baby boomers. They are sung to the tunes of some famous songs. If interested, email me at estesrandy at yahoo.com and I'll send them to you !! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:40:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6301 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Marauder's map Reply To: [Yahoo! #6299] Re: Marauder's map Date: 8/8/00 6:40 pm (ET) >>After all, Ron's brothers gave the map to Harry, rather than giving it to their own brother<< Ron *did* have parental permission to visit Hogsmeade while Harry was tied to the school since the (not so) evil Sirius Black was (not) wanting to hunt him down and kill him. I think the Twins gave it to Harry so he could join the fun in town. And besides, they must have known that Harry would not be keeping such and excellent secret from Ron. Hermione maybe... <grin> I have a question about the map, though. In GoF Moody/Crouch borrows the map from Harry after the incident on the stairs. I don't recall Harry ever getting it back. So what happened to it? Trina (who had to plow through 200+ posts in just one day) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:47:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6302 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6298] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 6:47 pm (ET) First the heels, and now this. You're on your own, my friend aboandy...ignore this post} By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/8/00 5:14 pm wrote: The Potter wedding? Well, I don't want to spoil that. But, hey, guess what! I've seen Sirius naked!!! *********************** Ooooooo, don't make me drool...you know I have a thing for Sirius.....and what exactly were you doing in order to see him naked????? (were you in car or human form????)ut this one!!! From ymekelly at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 22:59:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:59:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6303 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6228] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 6:59 pm (ET) What is the difference between Muggle aging and Wizarding aging?Is there a difference? Dumbledore must be well into his 70s if Hagrid is 63. Also Dumbledore in SS says his alchemy partner was well over 100 years old (sorry don't remember exactly)? YMEK From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:00:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Twin Discussion Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6304 From: joywitch999 Subject: Twin Discussion Part 1 Date: 8/8/00 7:00 pm (ET) I was supposed to introduce this weeks character discussion of the Weasley twins, but I am very late. Sorry about that, folks, but considering the number of posts lately it seems that there is no shortage of things to talk about, so no harm done! <g>. Here goes: Fred and George Weasley (Part 1) We first meet the twins in King's Cross Station, in SS/PS. Fred is giving his mother a hard time by pretending that he is George. This sets up the pattern - the twins are incorrigible clowns, and Fred is the "dominant" twin. However, we immediately see that they are nice guys - they see that Harry is having trouble and help him get his trunk onto the Hogwart's Express. Throughout SS/PS, we learn more about Fred and George - they get good grades in school, everyone thinks they're funny, Hagrid often has to chase them out of the Forbidden Forest, they are the beaters on the Gryffindor house Quidditch team (according to Oliver Wood, they are "human Bludgers"). Although the twins are always sarcastic and relentless about teasing people, they are clearly very warm-hearted. Although they torture Percy, they also force him to sit with them during the Christmas feast, since "Christmas is a time for family." They try to send Harry a toilet seat to cheer him up when he is in the hospital ward after his fight with Quirrell. However, Fred and George don't seem to think of Harry as anything other than Ron's friend until CoS, when they seem to really become friends. At the beginning of CoS, the twins help Ron rescue Harry from the Dursleys, and in the process revealing that they have some important Muggle skills - they know how to drive a car, and are skill lock-pickers (Ron, too, has these skills). At this point Fred and George don't seem to be that close to Harry - they don't even know of his rivalry with Draco Malfoy. However, during Harry's stay with the Weasleys he and the twins clearly get to know each other. There almost seems to be some competition between the teams of Fred/George and Ron/Harry - While Harry and Ron are flying the car to Hogwarts they can't wait to see the looks of envy on Fred and George's faces. Clearly it is the mischievous Fred and George, rather than the straight-laced Percy, who the role-model. In the Hogwarts-based chapters of CoS, Fred and George make only infrequent appearances - mostly during Quidditch matches - until the school starts suspecting Harry of being the Heir of Slytherin, and the twins are practically the only ones to come to Harry's defense, although of course in their usual sarcastic manner: "Make way for the Heir of Slytherin, seriously evil wizard coming through..." Percy was deeply disapproving of this behavior. "It is *not* a laughing matter," he said coldly. "Oh, get out of the way, Percy," said Fred. "Harry's in a hurry." "Yeah, he's off to the Chamber of Secrets for a cup of tea with his fanged servant," said George, chortling. However, Fred and George relentlessly tease Harry about Ginny's Valentine, showing that *nothing* is off limits to the twins if it is funny. (to be continued) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:01:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: Twin Discussion (part 2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6305 From: joywitch999 Subject: Twin Discussion (part 2) Date: 8/8/00 7:01 pm (ET) Fred and George Weasley (continued) The twins' first appearance in PoA has them, as usual, making fun of Percy, the new Head Boy. They "improve" his badge so that it reads "Bighead Boy." At the breakfast table on the first day of school in PoA, Fred and George, probably for the first time, are shown having a serious discussion - the twins, Harry, Ron and Hermione talk about the dementors and the twins are very reassuring. The depth of the twins friendship with Harry, and basic good nature, is revealed when they give Harry a very important gift - the Marauder's Map. It is interesting that when the twins tell Harry they have a present for them, Harry at first suspects a trick. We learn, in the Three Broomsticks, that although Sirius Black and James Potter are possible the biggest troublemakers in Hogwarts' history, that, according to Hagrid, Fred and George could "give 'em a run fer their money." There are a number of typical "twin moments" in PoA, including the scene where Fred and George comfort Ron on the (supposed) loss of his pet rat: "Let the scar on Goyle's finger stand as a lasting tribute to his memory." It is an interesting note that PoA continues the pattern that while the twins are always together, Fred talks a lot more than George. Although it is unclear how well anyone can tell them apart - even their father mixes them up, in GoF when he introduces his family to Ludo Bagman. In GoF, Fred and George are putting their talents to good use (except in their mother's opinion) trying to develop a business selling their funny inventions. Not surprisingly, their academic and "serious" career ambitions are minimal. However, they seem to be up to something suspicious. They bet all their money on the Quidditch World Cup, and are often found whispering together about "blackmail" and someone who is avoiding them. Could the twins have graduated from troubling-making to law-breaking? There are some great "twin moments'' in GoF: the great scene where they give a Ton-Tongue Toffee to Dudley Dursley; the continuing persecution of Percy, as evidenced by their delivery of dragon dung to his in-tray; their attempts to age themselves and enter the Triwizard Tournament; turning Neville Longbottom into a canary with their hexed custard creams; Fred's asking Angelina to the Yule Ball by shouting across the room at her; and of course the scene at the end of the year on the Hogwarts Express where Fred, George, Harry, Ron and Hermione each use a different curse against Malfoy & Co. I have great hopes for Gred & Forge's Joke Shop. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:03:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6306 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #6282] "A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/8/00 7:03 pm (ET) <I loved the first three chapters of "A Sirius Affair"! Great job! Will future chapters explain how Ron died, or did I miss something in another story? Also, could someone let me know when new chapters are posted? I'm not a member of that group. Thanks!> What is this "A Sirius Affair"? YMEK From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:15:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:15:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6307 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6277] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 7:15 pm (ET) >>>Hmmm. I never counted the number of students, but there was this Ravenclaw prefect called Catlady de Los Angeles who used to roam the corridors with a clipboard, checking people off. The trouble is, the doors and staircases move around all the time, so it was a bit like painting the Forth Bridge. She gave up. When I grow up (which is unlikely to happen at this point as I dont seem to be able to pass the emotional age of 12) I want to be as funny as Neil and as patient as Penny! From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:26:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:26:00 -0400 Subject: Randy Songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6308 From: Danemead Subject: Randy Songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #6300] Re: The fifth Marauder? Date: 8/8/00 7:26 pm (ET) I'm re-posting an original Randy Estes song, which he wrote in response to my request for a Pirates of Penzance parody. I just love it, and thought some newer members may have missed it the first time around. That boy has talent! (Sung to the tune of "I Am The Very Model of a Modern Major General") I am the very model of an Adult Harry Potter Fan (words by Randy Estes You can make up your own!) I am the very model of an Adult Harry Potter Fan My book collection's full of books that other people wish to ban! I'm quite adept at Hogwarts facts, Yahoo message boards I have read >From Slytherin, and Hufflepuff, to potions that fill up my head. I'm very good at quoting phrases, I have even memorized When Harry fights the Basilisk, my full attention's mesmorized. I can remember everything that happened at the Shrieking Shack When Lupin and Scabbers ran off, I almost had a heart attack. When Quirrell took off his Turban, I never quite expected that The bad guy we were looking for was hiding underneath his hat. But Harry grabbed the Sorcerer's Stone while looking at reflections of The visions in the mirror to save characters that we all love. I can't stop thinking 'bout the next book J.K. Rowling's dreaming up Will Harry date Hermione, and who will win the next Quidditch Cup? When other people are asleep, I'm making up this silly song 'Cause Harry Potter's magic has made something in my head go wrong! NOW EVERYONE SING TOGETHER!... When children's books cause such demand You see this can get out of hand. I am the very model of an Adult Harry Potter Fan! Well? What do you guys think about it? Round 2: Say thanks for all the accolades. I'm really glad you liked it so. But now this song is in my head And I can't seem to let it go. My wife says I am getting worse "Oh please don't write another verse!" Somebody please go find a nurse Because I think that I've been cursed! So won't somebody join the game And write another verse with me? There really isn't any true responsibility. So Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs And Slytherins please show your stuff. This Ravenclaw's rolled up his cuffs And posted all this silly fluff! (The crowd joins in for the chorus:) When children's books cause such demand You see this can get out of hand He is the very model of an Adult Harry Potter Fan! AAAHHHH. That felt better!! Just having some fun! Ravenclaw Randy :0) From tenth1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 8 23:56:00 2000 From: tenth1 at yahoo.com (tenth1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6309 From: tenth1 Subject: Harry Potter Movie??? Date: 8/8/00 7:56 pm (ET) I have read that Warner Bros. purchased the rights to make the Harry Potter movie. This brought to mind the characters in the book and which actors/actresses would fill these parts. There are several actor/actresses who I would like to see but I'll mention my favorite role/thespian match and that is Albus Dumbledore being played by Pete Postlethwaite. My reason behind this is that I believe that he would make play someone who appeared absent-minded well while having the presence to fill the deep character that is Prof. Dumbledore. As this is my first post here, I would like to express my admiration for the imagination(or should I say reality?) you are expressing here :) tenth1 From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:02:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:02:00 -0400 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6310 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Reply To: [Yahoo! #6244] Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Date: 8/8/00 8:02 pm (ET) He was wonderful! Thank you for this little bit of news,I haven't been keeping up for the past couple of days. HE would have made an excellent Dumbledore(had he been up to it).He had that penetrating gaze, Harry always talks about, down pat. From virginia1941 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:05:00 2000 From: virginia1941 at yahoo.com (virginia1941) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: Some thoughts on the storyline Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6311 From: virginia1941 Subject: Some thoughts on the storyline Date: 8/8/00 8:05 pm (ET) GOF is definitely a transition book in the Harry Potter storyline, like "The Empire Strikes Back" is in the Star Wars Trilogy, wouldn't you say? The first three had Harry fighting nasty battles, but his 3rd battle with Voldy was, like his first,as a baby, a victory for him. Voldy should read the "So you want to be an Evil Overlord" rules before he tangles with Harry. It is my guess like many of you, that Voldy knows that Harry will be a great wizard and he wants to eliminate the competition. Is Dumbledore training his sucessor in Harry? He too, seems to know that Harry is not your average wizard, and hints at it in all four books. The next three books will undoubtably be battles against the evil one, with Harry growing stronger and stronger, I suspect. I can not wait until #5 appears! From tenth1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:07:00 2000 From: tenth1 at yahoo.com (tenth1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:07:00 -0400 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6312 From: tenth1 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Reply To: [Yahoo! #6310] Re: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Date: 8/8/00 8:07 pm (ET) I had considered Sir Alec Guinness, and he would have done a wonderful job I am sure - a very, very elegant man. tenth1 From tenth1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:31:00 2000 From: tenth1 at yahoo.com (tenth1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:31:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6313 From: tenth1 Subject: Dumbledore Date: 8/8/00 8:31 pm (ET) Forgive me for being talkative, but before I leave for the day, I had a question. My fiancee, who has read the series 3-4 times now cannot find an explanation for a short scene in GOF. It's where Dumbledore gets a gleam of exhilaration in his eye when hearing Harry explain what happened to him with "You Know Who", which Harry shrugs off as most likely being his own mistaken visual... tenth1 From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:40:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: Wands Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6314 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Wands Reply To: [Yahoo! #6234] Re: Wands Date: 8/8/00 8:40 pm (ET) > Hello! I just joined up so I probably missed the discussion on Hagird's wand/umbrella then. Why don't you think that his wand ever was broken? Hagrid tells them that it was in SoS Hi! It's late over here, so I am going to be quick, and make this into a sort of list. 1) The only people he tells that the wand is broken are Olivander and Harry and co. He doesn't really trust Harry and friends with stuff that is going to get him in trouble if anyone found out i.e. Fluffy. He obviously wouln't tell Olivander - he'd have a fit if he found out a dangerous criminal <g? was using one of his wands... 2) The head teacher that was there last time the chamber was open, and when Hagrid was there was less than good. I remember people in this group using some quite offensive words to describe him. Anyway, IMHO ge is less than competent, and after finding someone to blame for the opening of the chamber, etc. I think he would have ben less than botthered abour punishent, and more about 'I think I'll quit incase this ever happens again' - and really knew it wasn't Hagrid - but everyone thought hed 'solved' it onse he'd pointed the finger at him. 3) Dumbledore obviously knew it wasn't Hagrid - and felt no need to continue the punishments that idiot should have carried out. 4) His wand has performed some difficult charms and spells (giving Dudley a tail - engourgment charms) - I think, even if he has had practise at using a broken wand - people would complain if they saw him using it while he wasn't used to it (small explosions outside of the Hut) - AND - you simpley cant use or get used to using a damaged wand. 3) Why would you snap a wand if all it needs is a bit of spellotape to repair it. If it was meant to be irreparably damaged - wouldn't you burn it, etc? Can't think of anything else - see you later. Bye, Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 00:43:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks everyone... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6315 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Thanks everyone... Date: 8/8/00 8:43 pm (ET) Thanks everyone for saying my post were worth reading - etc. That really means a lot to me Maybe I won't leave after all :-) Nicholas PS. Neil - didn't realise you were the uberposter Hope to see your story in the Daily prophet in a couple of days <g> From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 01:10:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: Holidays. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6316 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Holidays. Date: 8/8/00 9:10 pm (ET) As I have perviously confessed I am not as old as all of you, just 16. Unfortunately our summer holidays are over and I must start back to school tomorrow. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy school but I just dread to think how many things Neil can come up with while I'm gone, (not to mention the rest of you). But that won't stop me from posting, I love this group to much to ever do that! Scott From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 01:10:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6317 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6302] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 9:10 pm (ET) <<By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/8/00 5:14 pm wrote: The Potter wedding? Well, I don't want to spoil that. But, hey, guess what! I've seen Sirius naked!!!>> Well, hasn't everyone? I mean, when he's in Snuffles form, he doesn't wear any clothing. Which now makes me wonder - where do Animagus' clothing go when they transform? Professor McGonnegal's specs become marks around her eyes, but since Snuffles is all black, would his clothing show up as a marking? Or does it just go into the ether to wait for him to become human again? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 01:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:12:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6318 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6298] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 9:12 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Ooooooo, don't make me drool...you know I have a thing for Sirius.....and what exactly were you doing in order to see him naked????? (were you in car or human form????)>>> Carole!!! I'm just shocked. <vbg> Penny From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 01:46:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6319 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: RE: FAQs Reply To: [Yahoo! #6139] RE: FAQs Date: 8/8/00 9:46 pm (ET) Whoa. That's a lot of messages. Penny, perhaps I may not be the best person for the job. I have access to a computer for about an hour a night and at that point I have about 150 messages to catch up on. I love this group and am getting so much from it...I wouldn't want to let you down. Sorry about that. ~Kaitlin From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 01:52:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6320 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6303] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 9:52 pm (ET) >What is the difference between Muggle aging and Wizarding aging?Is there a difference? Dumbledore must be well into his 70s if Hagrid is 63. Also Dumbledore in SS says his alchemy partner was well over 100 years old (sorry don't remember exactly)? < I believe that Dumbledore is well past his 70's. When asked in a Scholastic interveiw how old he was, Rolwing said only that there is a considerable difference in the Muggle and Wizarding life-spans. That, to me, would imply that Dumbledore has already long surpassed the normal Muggle life-span (about 75 years, on the average). Plus, I get the impression that Dumbledore wasn't exactly a young man when Hagrid was a student at Hogwarts. It has been posted before, but here is the URL of the Scholastic interveiw. http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript.htm And, I feel that it is imperitive that this clarification be made, Nicholas Flamel is not just well over 100 years old, he was celebrating his 665th birthday in SS. I hope that this helped clear up some of the questions you had on wizard aging. Ashley P.S.- Since some of the other under-18 members have been asking, how are the grammer and mechanics of the messages that I have posted so far? From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:00:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6321 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6201] Word Play Date: 8/8/00 10:00 pm (ET) dogspoon...have you noticed that the Herbology teacher is Professor "Sprout"???? Also, about the mirror of Erised: the inscription around the top says "Erised stra ehru oyt ube cafru oyt no wohsi." Backwards, that spells "I show not your face but your heart's desire." ~Kaitlin From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:00:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: He too, seems to know that Harry is not Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6322 From: GypsyCaine Subject: He too, seems to know that Harry is not Reply To: [Yahoo! #6311] Some thoughts on the storyline Date: 8/8/00 10:00 pm (ET) <<He too, seems to know that Harry is not your average wizard, and hints at it in all four books. >> I have often wondered that. He (Dumbledore) lets Harry get away with so much! Does he also have Divination as a speciality, or how else did he know that Harry needed to learn the secret of the mirror in the first book? Or other things that just "happen" to fall into Harry's lap that are used in the book in the climax that Dumbledore made happen, like the curses. It seems there is more to Dumbledore too that we don't know. (Tell me that the headmaster didn't know Harry was up wandering around at night with the cloak that HE gave him that was James, with the map!) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore (twinkle) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6323 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Dumbledore (twinkle) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6313] Dumbledore Date: 8/8/00 10:04 pm (ET) Ok, where's our FAC's people? Grins!!!! This is a perfect case! From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:05:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6324 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Pronunciation (one more time) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6231] Pronunciation (one more time) Date: 8/8/00 10:05 pm (ET) Skimble7 wrote: "If there is still a question of the pronunciation of Hermoine, J.K. made a point to give it to us phonetically in GoF. When Ron is talking with his mouth full during dinner the first night back at Hogwarts, the printed text is 'er-my-knee." Ron says that when his mouth is full. Hermione pronounces it herself at the Yule Ball with Viktor: "her-MY-oh-nee" ~Kaitlin From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:14:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Holidays. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6325 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Holidays. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6316] Holidays. Date: 8/8/00 10:14 pm (ET) Scott, Good luck in your studies! I also dread Neil, but I know how much he can think up in one day! LOL! Hi Bernice! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:16:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:16:00 -0400 Subject: Ether'd clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6326 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ether'd clothing Reply To: [Yahoo! #6317] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 10:16 pm (ET) Neil!!!!! Please! This is an on-going debate in another club, rpg-talk type club, about the polymorph spell, and where does your clothes go along with the stuff you are carrying. The question is answered, I think, by going back to GoF and reading that passage of the "dog by the lane" type. I cannot reach my GoF right now--my bedroom rug is wet. (Have a steamer, lol!) From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:33:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Visit to Hogworts - Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6327 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Visit to Hogworts - Date: 8/8/00 10:33 pm (ET) Neil... Nick... Well, tried to get some of the Hallmark goodies, but seems at least locally they won't be seeing them until October. Did get some "Muggles for Harry Potter" Buttons for you both. See ya in a couple of weeks. Dennis From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:33:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6328 From: jferer Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6303] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 10:33 pm (ET) YM, Wizards do live longer, but the biggest difference might be they keep their vigor and health much longer. I haven't tried to find lots of clues, but I can think of a couple: 1. The 63 yeard old figure for Hagrid has to be very solid. He was 13 when he was expelled 50 years ago, so he's from 62-64, depending on when his birthday falls. He's obviously in the prime of his life. 2. Dumbledore may be 100. 50 years ago, when he taught Tom Riddle, he appeared to be in perhaps middle age, with long auburn hair. In 50 years his hair went all white and he's described as old (but vigorous). I'm 50, and my hair will probably be all white in 20 years. I know this is a stretch, but can we infer a wizard lives up to 60% longer? I'm not sure we can, but it's gotta be significantly longer, and I'll bet most wizards are pretty healthy all that time. Why do wizards live longer? Well, I'd take Madame Pomfrey's care over my local quack's, for one; and If I was full of magic I bet that would have a positive effect. It's really just speculation. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:38:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6329 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6309] Harry Potter Movie??? Date: 8/8/00 10:38 pm (ET) Can you tell me what Pete Postlethwaite has been in? I don't know him. It's the first time I've heard that name. There's been a lot os speculation on various message boards who would be best; the candidate mentioned most often seems to be Sean Connery, but you hear Liam Neeson, Derek Jacobi, Ian McKellen, the late Alec Guiness, Tom Baker. Nobody seems to like my candidate, Leonard Nimoy. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:41:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: Oh JKR !! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6330 From: estesrandy Subject: Oh JKR !! Date: 8/8/00 10:41 pm (ET) I composed another song tonight about the Harry Potter for Grown Ups message board. I hope it makes you smile a little, and think about the fun we are having! Oh JKR !! (words by Randy Estes) (sung to the tune of "Oh Very Young" by Cat Stevens) Oh JKR, what will you write us this time? We're only posting on this board for a short while And tho our thoughts may toss and turn us now, They will vanish away if we don't type them down Like Riding brooms and flying up to the sky! And tho we want this to last forever We know it never will. We know it never will. And the chat rooms make the goodbye harder still. Oh JKR, what will you write us next time? There'll never be a better chance to change her mind !! And if you want her book to end a certain way. Will you carry the words to her Secret Friends? Until she writes the HP Book number seven. And tho we want it to last forever We know it never will We know it never will. And I just hope no one else I like gets killed !! Oh JKR, What will you write us this time? We're only posting on this board for a short while Oh JKR, What will you write us this time? Ravenclaw Randy :0) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:41:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6331 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6317] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 10:41 pm (ET) I reread my earlier post, and realized that my tone was a little less than perky in reference to FFA's earlier quip. My segueway into the question was just very awkward. I think I should go take a snooze before I get even more awkward From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:43:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding Ages (was How old is Hagrid?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6332 From: selah_1977 Subject: Wizarding Ages (was How old is Hagrid?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6328] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/8/00 10:43 pm (ET) By: jferer Date: 8/8/00 10:33 pm Wizards do live longer, but the biggest difference might be they keep their vigor and health much longer. I haven't tried to find lots of clues, but I can think of a couple: <snip!> 1. The 63 yeard old figure for Hagrid has to be very solid... 2. Dumbledore may be 100... --------- If this is the case, the MWPP generation is older than we thought. To a 50-something Hagrid, "young Sirius Black" and the Potters could have easily been in their late twenties or early thirties when Harry was one year old. Just my two Galleons. Ebony AKA AngieJ From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:51:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6333 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6043] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/8/00 10:51 pm (ET) Good summary, Danemead, Has anyone wondered if the twins were using magic to create their little magic trinkets? (To me is seems obvious that must have been.) Since Mr. Weasly mentioned in Ch. 4 that the Ton Tongue Toffee it was a "simple engorgement charm" there must have been some wand use. Yet under aged wizards aren't allowed to practice magic during the summer break. And even if they were practicing magic in secret, somehow when Harry did whatever-he-did-that-I-can't-remember, he was practically swooped upon immediately. This is probably a FAQ by now. But I'm so far behind, the discussions will be way into Chapter 10 by the time I catch up. Way to go group. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:53:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie??? Leonard Nimoy. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6335 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie??? Leonard Nimoy. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6329] Re: Harry Potter Movie??? Date: 8/8/00 10:53 pm (ET) I am sorry, I am not trying to ignore your candidate, Jferer. I just can't seem to get over the StarTrek image! It seemed easier to get over it (SW) for Alec, but I still see live long and prosper! From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:52:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Forever! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6334 From: jferer Subject: Re: Quidditch Forever! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6091] Quidditch Forever! Date: 8/8/00 10:52 pm (ET) Wood has a burly build, and the twins are stocky, and that's the kind of build that would be good for Keeper. (think of a baseball catcher or a hockey goalie. On a baseball team, the catcher is usually the toughest guy on the team.) From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:54:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:54:00 -0400 Subject: Viloence: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6336 From: schlaggen Subject: Viloence: visual vs literary Date: 8/8/00 10:54 pm (ET) I've been thinking about whether Goblet of fire is too scary for children, and it struck me that if GOF where a movie, there would be little to no opposition. Consider: Star Wars: We see the bones of Lukes's freshly killed relatives lying burning on the ground. We see Obi-Wan Kenobi purposely let himself get sliced in half, and in the novelizations and screenplays, we see Luke's best friend become the last casualty in the battle against the empire Empire Strikes Back: We see a guy choke people from long distance for petty mistakes. We see the same guy slice his son's hand off. The Great Mouse Detective: Ratakin gets annoyed at a song his lackeys are singing and has his cat eat a mouse who's so drunk he doesn't know what's happening. The Rescuers Down Under: Mc Leach goes over the edge of a waterfall and his descent is followed until he gets lost in the whitewater at the bottom. Little Mermaid: Ursula (tha's her name, right?) gets skewered by a three-masted ship. Beauty and the Beast: Gaston refuses to let the beast help him, so he ends up falling from the highest point of the castle. The Lion King: Simba sees his father get crushed to death by a stampede, then is convinced by his uncle that its his fault roaring too loud. At the end of film, we see the shadows of the hyennas killing said uncle. Tarzan: Tarzan's adopted father gets killed as a direct result of Tarzan's disobediance. Clayton gets himself caught in vines and falls and hangs himself (I've heard that there's a nice silhouette of this, but I'm trying to do this all from memory so I can't say for certain). I'd also like to pose a few rhetorical questions (which I naturally expect answers for): What would the ratings of the Disney films be if they used live action and CGI? If Star Wars were just a novel, what would the reading level be? Are there discreprencies between reading levels, movie ratings, tv ratings, game ratings etc? From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 02:56:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: The fifth Marauder? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6337 From: jferer Subject: Re: The fifth Marauder? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6192] Re: The fifth Marauder? Date: 8/8/00 10:56 pm (ET) Did you acquire your nickname from Madame Rosemerta in the Three Broomsticks, by any chance? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:01:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: Hermoine as Prefect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6338 From: smitster1 Subject: Hermoine as Prefect Date: 8/8/00 11:01 pm (ET) I've noticed several posts indicating that Hermione has the makings of a Prefect. True, I agree that she would be excellent from what I understand a Prefect to be. However, wouldn't it cause her a sort of conflict of interest? In each book (with the possible exception of Book 4) she participates or has knowledge of Harry's and/or Ron's rule breaking. It seems to me that as Prefect one of her jobs would be to enforce the Gryffindor (and Hogwarts) rules. Another question: Does Hermione or Ron know about the Marauder map? From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie??? Leonard Nimoy. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6339 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie??? Leonard Nimoy. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6335] Re: Harry Potter Movie??? Leonard Nimoy. Date: 8/8/00 11:02 pm (ET) Don't forget Leonard Nimoy is the man who directed Three Men and a Baby. He's got a lot more range than he's been given credit for. Actually, he'd make a better director for the movie than Chris Columbus; but then, that's not so hard. From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:03:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6340 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Reply To: [Yahoo! #6244] Actor Sir Alec Guinness Dies at 86 Date: 8/8/00 11:03 pm (ET) I'm sorry they didn't mention any of my favorite Guinness roles: _Kind Hearts and Coronets_, _The Ladykillers_, _The Man in the White Suit_, and _Captain's Paradise_. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:06:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6341 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6333] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/8/00 11:06 pm (ET) >>>Good summary, Danemead, Actually, I did the Chapter 5 summary, but who's counting? >>>Has anyone wondered if the twins were using magic to create their little magic trinkets? (To me is seems obvious that must have been.) Since Mr. Weasly mentioned in Ch. 4 that the Ton Tongue Toffee it was a "simple engorgement charm" there must have been some wand use. Yet under aged wizards aren't allowed to practice magic during the summer break. And even if they were practicing magic in secret, somehow when Harry did whatever-he-did-that-I-can't-remember, he was practically swooped upon immediately. There has been much speculation that the reason why the MoM swooped upon Harry immediately when magic was performed at the Dursleys (NOT by Harry, actually, but by Dobby) is that the Dursleys house is probably under very careful watch for Harry's protection. The MoM cant possibly know everytime an underage wizard/witch performs magic; just look at all the little toddlers doing magic at the World Quidditch Cup camping ground. I think that they leave it up to the parents to police their own kids, except in very special cases like Harry's. That's why Fred and George can get away with doing magic at home; they are used to breaking their parent's rules. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:12:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:12:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (you can skip this one, Penny) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6342 From: joywitch999 Subject: Casting (you can skip this one, Penny) Date: 8/8/00 11:12 pm (ET) I have looked into my little crystal ball and I predict that Patrick Stewart will play Dumbledore - not any of the actors mentioned recently, ESPECIALLY not Leonard Nimoy. No offense, I ADORE Mr. Spock and agree Nimoy is a good director, but he is simply NOT Albus Dumbledore. Patrick Stewart is, and I will bet 100 galleons that he gets the part (and I'm not talkin' leprechaun gold either). From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:16:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:16:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (you can skip this one, Penn Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6343 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting (you can skip this one, Penn Reply To: [Yahoo! #6342] Casting (you can skip this one, Penny) Date: 8/8/00 11:16 pm (ET) You're on!! Except my horse is Sean Connery! the bet, by the way, is a weekend for you and your family at the Hogwarts Bed 'n' Breakfast in the Pennines From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:22:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:22:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6344 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6099] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 11:22 pm (ET) >>>There are five boys in Harry's dormitory but that is not all the Gryffindor boys of his year Not true. I refer you to CoS, chapter 5, pg. 85 Scholastic edition: "(Ron and Harry) at last reached the door of their old dormitory, which now had a sign on it saying SECOND YEARS....The dormitory door flew open and in came the other second year Gryffindor boys, Seamus Finnegan, Dean Thomas, and Neville Longbottom." Note that it says "the other second year Gryffindor boys," NOT *some* of the other... Also, in SS/PS when the first year Gryffindors and Slytherins have their first flying lesson, there are exactly 20 brooms, and Madam Hooch tells them to each take a broom. This is JKRs universe, and she has created it with approximately 10 students per house per year. Probably not exactly 10 in every house or every year, but this clearly seems to be the average number. I know, I know, there were 200 Slytherin supporters at one Quidditch match but I maintain (I know I have said this a zillion times) that many, if not most, of them must have been alumni. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:25:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: Students, Game, Slytherin alumni.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6345 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Students, Game, Slytherin alumni.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6344] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 11:25 pm (ET) I would just bet Lucius and co. were all down there rooting for Draco! (or at least Anti-Potter!) From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:25:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6346 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6297] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/8/00 11:25 pm (ET) > I'm not too sure about Voldemort's creative thinking abilities. I > mean, the guy already tried the Avada Kedavra curse on Harry once > before, and look what happened. Why did he try it again, when a nice > .45 caliber slug in the forehead would have vanquished Mr. Potter most > effectively! I know, I know... he was trying to show off his power to > his pathetic collection of Death Eaters, but it sorta backfired on him > again, huh? I've got to wonder if some seeds of doubt weren't planted in the Death Eaters minds by Harry's performance. First, he was able to throw off the Big V's imperious curse, which a very experienced wizard such as Crouch Sr. wasn't able to do. Then they had to watch the battle of the wands, with Harry forcing the balls of light back into the Big V's wand. That was a most impressive performance! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:35:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6347 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6333] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/8/00 11:35 pm (ET) >>>smitster1 wrote: Good summary, Danemead,<<< Just to give credit where much credit is due, that was Joywitch summarizing, not I! And an outstanding job she did on both chapter and twin descriptions! From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:38:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6348 From: jferer Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6344] Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/8/00 11:38 pm (ET) You have a point, but I still have trouble with it. There were 100 carriages to take the 2nd through 7th years up to school from Hogsmeade station, and the first years went in boats. Each carriage holds at least four (Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Neville shared one) That's 400; add the first years in the boats, assuming the same average, and you've got 467. It also doesn't seem to fit with JKR's world in other ways for Hogwarts to be so small. It would suggest that either the wizard population of the UK and Ireland is very small, or their birthrate is very low (no evidence of that), or Hogwarts is much more exclusive than we've been led to believe. (I'd like to look up the UK's birth rate and apply it to the wizarding world; I will Real Soon Now). where did they get 100,000 people to fill the Quidditch World Cup stadium, and a lot of wizards didn't go? That many foreigners? My daughter's elementary school has more students than Hogwarts under the 200-300 scenario, and it's not a big school. The Hogwarts students must be totally lost in that huge castle, and most of the rooms unused, or very secret... From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 03:41:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6349 From: davehoz Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6317] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/8/00 11:41 pm (ET) Not to be pedantic, but isn't "Snuffles" just a code name? Padfoot is his doggie name. I wonder if Sirius was fond of Sesame Street as a kid? (Snuffles = Snuffle-upagus) -- Dave ( Who wants to see Madam Rosmerta, Celestina Warbeck, Rowena Ravenclaw and Fleur Delacour naked ;) ) From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 04:32:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students Each Year Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6350 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: # of Students Each Year Reply To: [Yahoo! #6265] # of Students Each Year Date: 8/9/00 12:32 am (ET) I wanted to wait to respond to this until I could repeat some previous posts, but if I do that the subject will be lost. Penny had a number of good points, and I agree with her that there probably aren't _exactly_ 5 boys and girls, or even 10 students in each house / class. In fact, we only know for sure of three griffindor girls of Harry's class. Since the sorting hat selects for reasons and not just to divy up the students, there are bound to be variations in each student class. Also, its amazing what one can find when one is thinking about it while reading. In book two (which is the source of the venomous tentaculas I mentioned last night, not book three) JKR writes "the dormitory room flew open and in came ___the other second year griffindor boys___" Now she could have said "in came the dorm's other second years. . ." or "in came the rest of Harry and Ron's Dorm mates" or "in came some of the second year griffindor boys. . ." but she chose to phrase it as she did, which does imply that the 5 of them are all there are. Now that is not entirely dispositive. However, on the first day of class the Griffindors have "double herbology with the Hufflepuffs." On page 91 of the US edition, JKR writes "about twenty pairs of different-colored earmuffs were lying on the bench." Now everyone in that class plus Professor Sprout needed a pair of earmuffs, and JKR clearly states that there are about twenty pairs. This seems to me pretty clear evidence, along with what has already been mentioned, that there are only about 10 students per class per house, probably between 8 - 15 as Penny suggests. There are only six Quidditch matches a year (at least that count for the school cup) and it makes sense that since Quidditch is so wildly popular they have a lot than just students attending the game. We have a lot more than just students attending US college Football games, and its not as intensely popular as Quiditch seems to be. I think JKR has written fairly specifically that this is not a large school, and has maybe 300 or so students. It would definitely be a good question to ask her in an interview. vicki From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 04:38:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:38:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6351 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6280] Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 12:38 am (ET) <<I am thinking it's like apple cider, when you serve it hot, it is warm and filling, but most times non-alcoholic.>> The picture I always get of butterbeer is similar to a drink called Northwest Passage--hot apple cider with melted butter and brown sugar mixed in. Melanie From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 04:47:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation (one more time)/source Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6352 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Pronunciation (one more time)/source Reply To: [Yahoo! #6291] Re: Pronunciation (one more time)/source Date: 8/9/00 12:47 am (ET) Brooks - I'm really glad you wrote this first so that I didn't have to be the first to go against the party line. To the person who was quoting Ron in GoF, remember that his mouth was full of food. Hardly the person whose pronounciation is going to be perfect. JKR helpfully spells it out phonetically for us in GoF. At the top of page 419 of the US edition and page 364 (I think) of the UK edition, Hermione is trying to explain to Krum how to pronouce her name. She does not say "Her ma nee" as Jim Dale does in the audio tapes nor does she repeat ron's three syllable phrase. "Her my oh nee" Now when repeated quickly as a name it could come out hermyuhnee with more of an uh sound than an oh sound, but the basic concept is that Brooks is right and it does rhyme with Calliope. Its a four syllable name. vicki vjmerri at iquest.net (just because Rita said I didn't put my edress in my profile for all the world and sundry to see.) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 04:55:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: favorite non-humans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6353 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: favorite non-humans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6274] Re: favorite non-humans Date: 8/9/00 12:55 am (ET) > The owls are the best! I love Hedwig--she's so temperamental. Pigwidgeon is funny and has a cool name. There must be more than we know about Pigwidgeon. Why was he so eager to take the job when Sirius was looking for an owl, and so eager to stay with Ron? Before GoF came out, some people were suggesting that Pig was Lupin finally in Animagus form, hiding out and watching over Harry, but Lupin didn't/wouldn't spend his energy racing around like a mad thing. I checked some on-line dictionaries and found that 'Pigwidgeon' means 'something small and petty', which is an accurate description: Ginny named him well. One of the dictionaries added that Dryden used this name for a fairy. If Ginny had read Dryden in her primary school Language Arts (which was called English in my day), it was a great deal better than mine! I think there is a species of owl named fairy owl but it is Too Small to be Pig -- only one inch tall or something like that. I am Web searching to learn about fairy owls, but so far all I have found is an Elf Owl that might possibly be Pigwidgeon's species: http://www.owlinstitute.org/owls/elf.html IIRC we have not yet encountered a fairy as a magical being in HP. Could Pigwidgeon be a fairy in disguise? From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:01:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6354 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #6313] Dumbledore Date: 8/9/00 1:01 am (ET) re the gleam: I think that most people, myself included, believe that voldemort may have gotten a body this way, but his use of Harry's blood makes him vulnerable in some way that we don't know about yet and will therefore eventually be part of the cause of his ultimate downfall. vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:01:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: US/UK English (was# of Students Each Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6355 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: US/UK English (was# of Students Each Reply To: [Yahoo! #6275] Re: # of Students Each Year Date: 8/9/00 1:01 am (ET) > 'bogies' in the UK but 'boogers' in the US :-) I have SS (American) and it contains a reference to The Curse of the Bogies and I always wonder whether the Americanizer just forgot to translate it to The Curse of the Boogers, or is it the curse of the (to quote dictionary.com) 1.(also bg, bg). An evil or mischievous spirit; a hobgoblin. 2.(also bg, bg). A cause of annoyance or harassment. 3b.One golf stroke over par on a hole. 4.Slang. An unidentified flying aircraft. 5.Slang. A detective or police officer. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:07:00 -0400 Subject: Offspring -- Purebloods?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6356 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Offspring -- Purebloods?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6278] Offspring -- Purebloods?? Date: 8/9/00 1:07 am (ET) > Hmmm. Hmmm. Why would their children be "purebloods" if Harry is a Half-blood? This seems counter-intuitive to me. IF JKR had wanted to 1) use offensive language (I hope no one gets offended at it in this post) and 2) spend more time than it deserves on Death Eaters' hallucinations, she could have had them call: The child of a Pureblood and a Mudblood or Muggle a Halfblood The child of a Pureblood and a Halfbood a Quadroon The child of a Pureblood and a Quadroon an Octaroon The child of a Pureblood and an Octaroon a Taint (this proportion of 'Aryan' 'blood' was enough to suit the Nazis but not enough to suit Jim Crow) The child of a Pureblood and a Taint a Pureblood. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:09:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:09:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6357 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6318] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 1:09 am (ET) A lot of people seem to be drooling over Sirius naked. I have a thing for Remus. He seems very nice, he has intelligent grey eyes and has demonstrated his intelligence during PoA. He has had a very hard life, and it wasn't his fault. He is still a good person and against the dark side. He has a lot of common sense and seemed to be an excellent and understanding teacher, so he is probably an understanding person outside the classroom. He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid <g> Vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:10:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6358 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #6286] Re: Date: 8/9/00 1:10 am (ET) > Danemead -- thanks for the plug! We were quite happy with that broomsticks conversation. <g> When I read it, I made noises that caused Tim to run into the room asking "Were you laughing or choking?" I had to tell him that two authors whom I had thought to be ladies had just made a new variant on the old joke about the wizard and his, uh, broomstick. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:14:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Subject: HP connection to wormtail (was M Map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6359 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: HP connection to wormtail (was M Map Reply To: [Yahoo! #6293] Re: Marauder's map/HP connection to worm Date: 8/9/00 1:14 am (ET) > Since Wormtail is indebted to Harry for services rendered, what if the Harry Blood inside Voldemort Not only the Harry blood but the Wormtail hand is inside V. Perhaps it is not that pathetic little monster of a Scabbers that will repay Harry, but V's new own flesh! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Twin Discussion Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6360 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Twin Discussion Part 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #6304] Twin Discussion Part 1 Date: 8/9/00 1:15 am (ET) > the twins (snip)have some important Muggle skills - they know how to drive a car, and are skilled lock-pickers (Ron, too, has these skills). I thought it was magical lock-picking. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:23:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:23:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6361 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6357] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 1:23 am (ET) > I have a thing for Remus. Me, too. > He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid <g> go to www.fanfiction.net and read Call of The Wild by Wolfie Twins. (There is a Search Feature with a search by author option: use that). From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 05:40:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6362 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6357] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 1:40 am (ET) >intelligent grey eyes And we all know who else has those - the Ultimate Wild Man, John Clayton, Lord Greystoek....Tarzan. -:-) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: (Gleam in) Dumbledore ('s Eye) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6363 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: (Gleam in) Dumbledore ('s Eye) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6313] Dumbledore Date: 8/9/00 2:02 am (ET) I hope you have access to the web and not just e-mail, because I am going to direct you the the HPfG Yahoo Club archive. Which most annoyingly does not have a search feature. This is the URL http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups Two of the messages with answers of previous times that that question was asked are: message # 5523 and message # 5397 (I think this msg will # 6362) From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:07:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6364 From: Danemead Subject: Speaking of Owls Date: 8/9/00 2:07 am (ET) Isn't it interesting that both Draco Malfoy and Lord Voldemort use eagle owls. Harry notices Draco's eagle owl delivering a package to Draco at breakfast the first morning of classes, and then later on he's looking out the window in Chapter 28 and sees an eagle owl flying around the corner of the castle, which we later learn was delivering a message from Lord V to Moody/Crouch about the escape of Mr. Crouch Senior. Should we start suspecting everyone who uses an eagle owl? See what happens when you re-read GoF too many times? CONSTANT VIGILANCE! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:08:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Spoiler/Animagus (was The5thMara Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6365 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: GoF Spoiler/Animagus (was The5thMara Reply To: [Yahoo! #6317] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 2:08 am (ET) > Professor McGonnegal's specs become marks around her eyes And Rita Skeeter's nasty jeweled harlequin glasses bcome markings around HER eyes. I wonder if they have to wear the glasses in order to be Animagi: since the registry of Animagi (which McGonagall is on) describes the markings of the animal they turn into, it would be awkward if the markings changed because the mage got a new style of glasses frames. For that matter: these people have magic that can re-grow bones and small-ify teeth, WHY DO THEY NEED EYEGLASSES??? From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:11:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:11:00 -0400 Subject: US/UK English (was# of Students Each Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6366 From: Danemead Subject: Re: US/UK English (was# of Students Each Reply To: [Yahoo! #6355] Re: US/UK English (was# of Students Each Date: 8/9/00 2:11 am (ET) >>>The Curse of the Bogies and I always wonder whether the Americanizer just forgot to translate it to The Curse of the Boogers,<<<< Well, as kids, we were always afraid of the Bogeyman, first and foremost. But I think I can safely say we were afraid of other people's boogers as well. >:-) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:16:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of (Eagle) Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6367 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Speaking of (Eagle) Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #6364] Speaking of Owls Date: 8/9/00 2:16 am (ET) Here's an Eagle Owl URL that says that the Eurasion Eagle Owl is Bubo bubo (that is, Owl owl, indicating that Linnaeus considered it the owlest of all owls) and that "Our own great horned owl (Bubo virginianus) is an eagle owl." http://www.chaffeezoo.org/zoo/animals/eagleowl.html http://www.beyond.fr/birds/owls.html One gathers that using an Eagle Owl just shows that you can afford the best. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:24:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:24:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6368 From: Danemead Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6361] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 2:24 am (ET) Speaking of Remus, (that sweet puppy...) Also at www.fanfiction.net is a story by Blaise titled The Farther Shore, with a Lupin love interest, which actually made me cry -- it's so sad and sweet. All of Blaise's stories are outstanding. Original messages: >>>>> He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid <g> go to www.fanfiction.net and read Call of The Wild by WolfieTwins. (There is a Search Feature with a search by author option: use that). <<<<<<<<< From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:26:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:26:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6369 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6142] Re: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Date: 8/9/00 2:26 am (ET) <<The sad thing is I'll soon be left with NOTHING until the publication of Book 5. I guess I must resign myself to reading the whole series AGAIN...!>> Nothing to read? Perhaps I just assumed you were a member of this club? :) From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:29:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:29:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Spoiler/Animagus Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6370 From: Danemead Subject: Re: GoF Spoiler/Animagus Reply To: [Yahoo! #6365] Re: GoF Spoiler/Animagus (was The5thMara Date: 8/9/00 2:29 am (ET) >>>>>For that matter: these people have magic that can re-grow bones and small-ify teeth, WHY DO THEY NEED EYEGLASSES???<<<< The most logical explanation is that wizard healing magic works like Muggle healing magic -- that is, we muggles have cures for some diseases and defects, but have not yet discovered the cure to others. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:34:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6371 From: Danemead Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6357] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 2:34 am (ET) >>>>I have a thing for Remus....He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid. Vicki<<<< I'll ride on his broomstick anytime! Danemead (in a shameless hussy/scarlet woman kind of mood) From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:52:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:52:00 -0400 Subject: Casting (you can skip this one, Penn Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6372 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting (you can skip this one, Penn Reply To: [Yahoo! #6342] Casting (you can skip this one, Penny) Date: 8/9/00 2:52 am (ET) Call me crazy but I think one of the two Richards will get it: Richard Attenborough or Richard Harris. From sweetheart433 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:53:00 2000 From: sweetheart433 at yahoo.com (sweetheart433) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:53:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6373 From: sweetheart433 Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6371] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 2:53 am (ET) ha ha ha, good one. (that whole dog thing could come in handy one day....) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:54:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:54:00 -0400 Subject: More Wordplay and Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6374 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: More Wordplay and Names Date: 8/9/00 2:54 am (ET) Inspired by Dogspoon, I tried to make an anagram of 'James Potter' and got MAJE SPOTTER or MAJOR TEE SPOT. A Ma(g)e Spotter might be a useful talent, but Major Tee Spot sounds like a crossword puzzle clue for a golf course. In GoF, Mad-Eye Moody's real first name is Alastor. Not long ago, I checked on-line dictionaries and found that Alastor was originally a Greek god of vengeance (male equivalent of Nemesis). To English writers (who had, as someone just mentioned, studied Classics), the common noun 'an Alastor' meant a vengeful ghost, then came to mean any spirit in the business of tormenting a person or a family line. In that latter meaning, I believe we could refer to the Dementors as Sirius's (and Harry's, and all the Azkaban prisoners') Alastors. I'm sure that Moody the Auror liked to think of himself as inexorable Vengeance, a male version of Nemesis or the Erinnyes. From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 06:59:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:59:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6375 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6142] Re: A question for parents. (Thank You!) Date: 8/9/00 2:59 am (ET) " I guess I must resign myself to reading the whole series AGAIN...!" ... and again ... and again ... and again. I'm now on my fifth trip through the whole series (only my third through GoF, though). This time I'm reading slowly and just soaking in it. It's amazing to watch how JKR controls the plot, drops insanely funny comments every three or four lines, describes things I've always known (only I'd never realized I knew it). You know, we're priviledged to be alive while these books are being written. If the series were already done, I'd have wolfed them down in 10 days. As it is, I'll be feasting for at least 3 more years. So don't worry about the wait. Just keep re-reading, posting, second-guessing and before you know it, JKR will show us exactly why it was worth holding our breath an entire year! Tsch'ss! Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 07:06:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 03:06:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6376 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6051] Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/9/00 3:06 am (ET) Some thoughts about Ron & Quidditch: I have the feeling that Ron will soon become *captain* of the Quidditch team, perhaps as keeper. The one area where Ron really shines is in chess--and that means planning, insight, thinking ahead, laying out a strategy. I'm hoping he'll put those gifts to use in marshalling the strength of a Wood-less Griffindor Quidditch team to new heights. (And pages of sqiggling diagrams not even Wood could have understood ... ) I'd like to see him join the team as a second-string player, then surprise everybody by pointing out a brilliant strategy no one else had ever considered. It'd give Ron a life of his own! (The only question is whether Ron *supposed* to have a life of his own--or whether the plot will at some point turn precisely on his being a side kick?) Any takers? Mike From irene8888 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 09:42:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:42:00 -0400 Subject: The fifth Marauder? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6377 From: irene8888 Subject: Re: The fifth Marauder? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6192] Re: The fifth Marauder? Date: 8/9/00 5:42 am (ET) <... but now I have relocated to the Forbidden Forest I can switch between my human and Mechanimagus forms without fear of discovery> Quite intriguing Beatrice....with the nickname 'Horny' I somehow picture you now as a convertible with spikes allover...reminiscent of the recent Wild Wild West movie's mechanical spider... From irene8888 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 09:49:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 05:49:00 -0400 Subject: Who else wants to see the return of. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6378 From: irene8888 Subject: Re: Who else wants to see the return of. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5737] Who else wants to see the return of... Date: 8/9/00 5:49 am (ET) <After I'd finished GoF, though, it made me wonder...did Moody/Crouch punish Draco because (a) he was angry that Lucius Malfoy was living the life of a "respectable" wizard, even though practicing the Dark Arts, and wanted to take it out on his son, (b) because he thought bullying Draco would keep up the charade and futher prove that he was the real Mad-Eye Moody, or (c) he was telling the truth and thought that attacking another wizard while his/her back was turned was a cowardly, scummy thing to do? Perhaps (d) he was just ensuring that Malfoy and his gang would leave Harry alone and not endager Harry's chances of winning the Triwizard Cup? > This reply might come in late..but I think Moody/Crouch punished Draco because the former is a stickler for 'rules' and 'just punishment'..in his own way Moody/Crouch is a 'gentleman' fighter. In that final confrontation/talk he had with HP (when he revealed himself as Crouch),remember how he was persistent in finding out how V administered punishment to those who weren't as loyal as he was? His punishment of Draco was not for show or vengeance..so I would say (c) above is the correct answer...:) Irene From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 10:10:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 06:10:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6379 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6201] Word Play Date: 8/9/00 6:10 am (ET) The classical connotations are scattered liberally throughout. Albus means white in latin. Poppy Pomphrey - the poppy is the source of opium, a drug for rest, sleep etc. Pomphrey I'm not sure about. Minerva was the goddess of wisdom - and Prof McGonagall sure is wise! Severus means strict, austere or severe in latin. Personally, I love the idea of a phoenix, a bird associated with fire, being called Fawkes. (I've got a nasty feeling that some of these were mentioned ages ago, but there are so many messages posted these days I can't keep up with them all - apologies to anyone who feel s they are being plagiarised.) Nikki From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 13:19:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6380 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6317] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 9:19 am (ET) I would assume that his black robes become his fur. From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:23:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6381 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Hermione's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #6249] Re: Hermione's parents Date: 8/9/00 10:23 am (ET) Melanie, I hadn't thought about how Hermione's parents would react to Viktor (does this make me a bad parent?). Of course, I don't recall if she said she would take him up on the offer of going to visit him (my copy of GoF has disappeared into the teenagers' room, hopefully to resurface soon!). Assuming she goes, I can't see her parents letting her roam around a foreign country without some type of chaperones, preferably ones they know and trust (like themselves!). I would also like to see Harry and Ron visiting Hermione over the summer, just for a change of pace from the Weasley household. Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:26:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6382 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6271] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/9/00 10:26 am (ET) Glad to see I'm not the only one who has considered the idea of Hagrid appearing younger than his age. I picture him looking very much in his mid to late 40s, despite the fact that he's chronologically older. Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:29:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Imperious Curse Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6383 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Imperious Curse Reply To: [Yahoo! #6297] Re: Imperious Curse Date: 8/9/00 10:29 am (ET) <I'm not too sure about Voldemort's creative thinking abilities.> I agree, I think he's so sure that he's the biggest and baddest guy around that it's pretty much inconceivable to him that anyone, let alone Harry, would be able to resist any of his curses. Someday he's going to be too cocky for his own good and someone (Harry) will take him down a notch or two (or 4 or 6). Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:33:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:33:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6384 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6288] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/9/00 10:33 am (ET) <Are any parents concerned that the series may be turning a bit too violent?> I have mixed feelings on this one. I think it depends on the child and what they're used to reading. When my daughter was 5 I read her "The Hobbit". She loved it, and insisted on hearing "Lord of the Rings" when she was 6. Obviously some of it was beyond her, but she thoroughly enjoyed it, and at 17 it is still one of her favourites. I would have to say that we are each the best judge of what our children can understand and deal with (and if they don't like the book, or find it frightening, they'll let us know). Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:37:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:37:00 -0400 Subject: Gred and Forge Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6385 From: S_Ings Subject: Gred and Forge Date: 8/9/00 10:37 am (ET) My, aren't I the talkative one today?! Must be all the coffee I've consumed while finally catching up on the posts. I have to admit that the Weasley twins keep me in stitches. I can't wait to see what they'll get up to next. Despite the image they have of not being the best and brightest of the Weasley family, I think that's mostly because of their antics. After all, they have to be both intelligent and creative to come up with some of things they've invented in GoF. Sheryll (who will be joining the line outside their Joke Shop on opening day) From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:58:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:58:00 -0400 Subject: Randy Songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6386 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Randy Songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #6308] Randy Songs Date: 8/9/00 10:58 am (ET) Oh Hurrah! <THIS MUST> be included in the FAQ! (Large amounts of applause!) Ellen the Beekeeper (another Ravenclaw) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 14:59:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: Who Wants to be a Millionaire Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6387 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Who Wants to be a Millionaire Date: 8/9/00 10:59 am (ET) Hey, did anyone else here in the US catch the show last night? There was a Harry Potter question: What is the name of Harry's owl: Hagrid, Pigwidgeion, Hedwig, Crookshanks Of course, I was screaming the answer at the television even before the choices were shown. The guy (who was probably mid to late 20's - single/no children) got it right, by the way, and admitted reading "one of the books." Again, I was screaming at my telly, "Liar! You've read them all! Admit it!" voicelady ;*0 From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:16:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:16:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6388 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6351] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 11:16 am (ET) <<I am thinking it's like apple cider, when you serve it hot, it is warm and filling, but most times non-alcoholic.>> Gee, Hasn't anyone here but me made home made soda pop? You mix your sweetener (Honey or Sugar) with water, and add a bottle of concentrated flavor. (Available at Brewing Supply stores, along with recipies.) Yeast is added, and then you bottle it up- the yeast ferments, and that is what gives it the fizz. It is very similar to making homemade beer or wine- but only has a few days to ferment, so very little alcohol is produced. Non- Alcoholic as far as people are concerned, but I would guess that house-elves have a much lower tolerance....Hmmm... I picture it as being sort of butterscotch flavored.... Ellen The Beekeeper From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:21:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6389 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6002] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Date: 8/9/00 11:21 am (ET) I am in complete agreement!!! So funny that I too noticed that they seem to eat meals so damn frequently! Like lunch is usually right before a class and dinner seems to be right after that class! So, lets say lunch is at 12 noon, their class is two hours, dinner is at 2pm?!?! So strange! I would hate this school schedule! Anyone else have an idea of when meal times are? Maybe I am assuming breakfast is at 8am when it may be at 10am, lunch at 4pm, dinner at 6? Anyone have any idea?? From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:27:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Subject: WEIRD Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6390 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: WEIRD Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #6032] Re: WEIRD Observation Date: 8/9/00 11:27 am (ET) Thanks for pointing that out! I do remember that line now! Puts me a bit more at ease!!!LOL Teenagers can be quite funky!!:0} LOL From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6391 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6347] Re: Chapter 5 - Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes Date: 8/9/00 11:40 am (ET) >>>Just to give credit where much credit is due, that was Joywitch summarizing, not I! And an outstanding job she did on both chapter and twin descriptions! ::Beams with pride! (and then blushes) Thanks, Danemead From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:48:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6392 From: heiditandy Subject: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Date: 8/9/00 11:48 am (ET) Not legally, of course. Interesting article from today's Washington Post: Within 24 hours after "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" was released last month amid midnight bookstore frenzy, the text was available free in pirated form on the Internet. Yesterday the Association of American Publishers and Microsoft announced that they are working together to pull the plug on such bootleg books. "Online book piracy is just becoming a problem," said Allan Adler of the AAP, "because online books are just becoming available in the marketplace." The problem: In the future, publishers want to make it easier for readers to get books online. As a result, the books may be also easier to replicate. Illicit copies of Stephen King's recent e-projects, "Riding the Bullet" and "The Plant," have also popped up on Web sites and message boards almost as soon as the works were available. And with a little ingenuity an eager reader can find pirated e-novels by Dean Koontz, Frank Herbert and scores of other popular writers. So far, damage to publishers and writers and booksellers has been negligible. But e-book pioneers see the potential for high-dollar disaster. After all, making a duplicate of an e-book is, for the computer-savvy, as simple as copying an e-mail. Scanning a hard-cover or paperback book into a computer, as the Potter pirates probably did, is easier than ever. Once the book is in digital form, it can be posted online and just about anyone with a computer and a modem can pluck it off the Internet free. And illegal, said Adler. By making a digital copy of a book you have not paid for, he explained, "you are depriving the author or the publisher of the opportunity to be compensated for the work, effort and resources that went into the creation of the book." Under the law, he added, the creators are entitled to be paid. Of course, lazy profs, cheapskate college kids, high-powered lawyers and other folks have been photocopying textbook pages for years. Offshore presses have been pumping out bootleg versions of American books. Perhaps even you have copied Blockbuster videos onto your own tapes. So it makes sense that e-books will be the next freeware frontier. "It is cheaper than buying the book," Adler said. And there is a culture that has grown up on the Internet with the belief that information wants to be free. They "believe that the Internet creates a completely new paradigm for information dissemination," Adler said, "and shouldn't be subject to property rules like those underlying the copyright system." It's slightly hard to believe that in this Age of Aliteracy, when people can read but don't, the number of readers who might actually download a work of literature would be of genuine financial concern to publishers. Stranger things have happened. The AAP and Microsoft have launched an anti-piracy Web site, www.microsoft.com/piracy/epub. They and other groups have adopted a three-pronged strategy: using special encryption technology, enforcing existing copyright laws and educating the public about the evils of pirating intellectual property. Education, he emphasized, is the key. "As a publishing industry," Brass said, "we have not convinced people that stealing bits is stealing." From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:49:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:49:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6393 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6376] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/9/00 11:49 am (ET) >>>>Some thoughts about Ron & Quidditch:<<<< I'd love to see Ron get some more genuine recognition - to see him shine on his own. What I'm afraid of is that Voldemort, being unable to hurt Harry directly, will begin to inflict casualties on those nearest and dearest to Harry. Taking Ron or Hermione hostage, or causing them injury, would be an effective way to wage psychological warfare against Harry. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:49:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:49:00 -0400 Subject: Twin Discussion Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6394 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Twin Discussion Part 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #6360] Re: Twin Discussion Part 1 Date: 8/9/00 11:49 am (ET) >> the twins (snip)have some important Muggle skills - they know how to drive a car, and are skilled lock-pickers (Ron, too, has these skills). >I thought it was magical lock-picking. CoS, Chapter 3, pg. 26 Scholastic: ..George took an ordinary hairpin from his pocket and started to pick the lock. "A lot of wizards think it's a waste of time, knowing this sort of Muggle trick," said Fred, "but we feel they're skills worth learning, even if they are a bit slow." From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:52:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6395 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6044] Re: Bathrooms at Hogwarts Date: 8/9/00 11:52 am (ET) I NOTICED THAT TOO! UGH, those Merpeople who live in the lake must be pissed to have to live in piss! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: Twin Discussion Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6396 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Twin Discussion Part 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #6360] Re: Twin Discussion Part 1 Date: 8/9/00 11:54 am (ET) >>>>> the twins (snip)have some important Muggle skills - they know how to drive a car, and are skilled lock-pickers (Ron, too, has these skills). I thought it was magical lock-picking. <<<<<<< No, it was genuine old fashioned muggle lock-picking. Harry couldn't undo the locks on his door or on Hedwig's cage by magic for fear of another warning from the Ministry of Magic's 'Underage Wizard' dept. Fred specifically is shown, in Chapter 3 of CoS, using a hairpin to open the locks and saying "A lot of wizards think it's a waste of time, knowing this sort of Muggle trick..." From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 15:55:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:55:00 -0400 Subject: Has anyone else noticed... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6397 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6054] Has anyone else noticed... Date: 8/9/00 11:55 am (ET) Sorting is one of my favorite parts of the book! I love that the hat comes up with a new song every year!! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:00:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: HP drawings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6398 From: joywitch999 Subject: HP drawings Date: 8/9/00 12:00 pm (ET) Todays (8/9) Washington Post, on the KidsPost page, has kids drawings of characters from the Harry Potter books. There is a particularly good dementor drawn by a 7-year old, and a drawing of Ron (at the bottom of the page with big sneakers) that I like. As usual, I dont know the URL, but I just thought I would tell everyone anyway. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:15:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6399 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Reply To: [Yahoo! #6392] Harry Potter Books On The Internet Date: 8/9/00 12:15 pm (ET) >>>>Within 24 hours after "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" was released last month amid midnight bookstore frenzy, the text was available free in pirated form on the Internet. <<<<< Whoa! If anybody has a copy, I'd like one too. I've paid my money for the hardback books (all 4 of them), but I would love to have an electronic version to simplify searches for reference questions. Instead of riffling thru page after page hoping to come upon the answer, all I'd have to do is put in a keyword and *SHAZAAM*, I'd have it highlighted on the screen. I'd PAY the publisher for an electronic copy, with all the anti-theft encoding and self-destruct mechanisms they want to attach. I hope they are considering this as a future option. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:18:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione as a Prefect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6400 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Hermione as a Prefect Date: 8/9/00 12:18 pm (ET) Hi -- <<<I've noticed several posts indicating that Hermione has the makings of a Prefect. True, I agree that she would be excellent from what I understand a Prefect to be. However, wouldn't it cause her a sort of conflict of interest? In each book (with the possible exception of Book 4) she participates or has knowledge of Harry's and/or Ron's rule breaking. It seems to me that as Prefect one of her jobs would be to enforce the Gryffindor (and Hogwarts) rules.>>> I agree with Smitster -- I think Hermione's close association with Harry & Ron might prevent her from being made a prefect. Then again, I'm still not clear how the prefects are selected. Do students "run" for prefect - elected by the student body? Or, are they selected by the professors? If they are selected by the professors, do the students "apply" for the position or are they just told they've been selected? If it's the latter, can they turn it down? I still wonder too how many prefects there are for each Hogwarts House. I think Hermione might want to be prefect, but, if she reflects on it much, her love of adventures with Harry & Ron may override her desire to be a prefect. Because if she were a prefect, she would definitely be the type to take her position seriously. This would obviously interfere with the shenanigans of the Trio. IMO. Penny From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:19:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Subject: "Sirius Affair" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6401 From: salter15 Subject: "Sirius Affair" Date: 8/9/00 12:19 pm (ET) Wow!! This is great I just finished chapter 4 and I love it!!! Will there be more? I guess I will just have to go onto "Paradigm of Uncertantiy". Janet From CarverWB at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:22:00 2000 From: CarverWB at yahoo.com (CarverWB) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: HP drawings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6402 From: CarverWB Subject: Re: HP drawings Reply To: [Yahoo! #6398] HP drawings Date: 8/9/00 12:22 pm (ET) http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/kids/ From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:32:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: How many students go to Hogwarts? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6403 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: How many students go to Hogwarts? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6082] How many students go to Hogwarts? Date: 8/9/00 12:32 pm (ET) I think that there are discrepancies here. I too thought that there were 10 in Harry's year, but realize there are more. There are 5 in his year in Harry's house. So I'm thinking there are about 40 per year...5 girls, 5 boys per house @ 4 houses= 40. But then you do have the issue with the carriages. Maybe Harry had a small entering class? I wish there was a roster!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:35:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6404 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Number of Students Date: 8/9/00 12:35 pm (ET) Hi: Good point Joywitch & the others who pointed out that part from CoS where JKR emphasizes that there are only 5 Gryffindor boys in Harry's year. I'm glad someone could come up with some solid evidence to support my theory. <g> <<<You have a point, but I still have trouble with it. There were 100 carriages to take the 2nd through 7th years up to school from Hogsmeade station, and the first years went in boats. Each carriage holds at least four (Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Neville shared one) That's 400; add the first years in the boats, assuming the same average, and you've got 467.>>> I would say that each carriage holds *up to* 4 students. In PoA, there were only 3 students in Harry's carriage (himself, Ron & Hermione). That means there isn't someone standing there ensuring that at least 4 students get into each carriage. Crabbe & Goyle are quite large supposedly -- I wouldn't be surprised if they took up an entire carriage themselves. Some of the professors might also be riding in the carriages as Prof Lupin did in PoA. I still think the *preponderence* of the evidence suggests a student body of 225-300 students. That would still qualify as "hundreds" of faces watching Harry being sorted from SS. It probably looked like hundreds in any case -- he was completely nervous at that point. I'm with Joywitch -- the 200 Slytherin supporters at that Quidditch match must have included a fair number of alumni and/or Hogsmeade residents. Just my 2 galleons (again) -- Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:41:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius & Remus Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6405 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius & Remus Date: 8/9/00 12:41 pm (ET) Hi: <<<A lot of people seem to be drooling over Sirius naked.>>> Yep. Vicki said: <<<I have a thing for Remus. <snip> He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid <g> >>>> Danemead then said:<<<I'll ride on his broomstick anytime!>>> Oh my! Look what we've started Carole! <vbg> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:48:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6406 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 12:48 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I think that there are discrepancies here. I too thought that there were 10 in Harry's year, but realize there are more. There are 5 in his year in Harry's house. So I'm thinking there are about 40 per year...5 girls, 5 boys per house @ 4 houses= 40. But then you do have the issue with the carriages. Maybe Harry had a small entering class? I wish there was a roster!!>>> A roster would be lovely. Maybe JKR will include this in a companion to the series. In any case, we only know of 3 Gryffindor girls in Harry's year: Hermione, Parvarti & Lavender. So, in Harry's year, there are only 8 Gryffindors that we know. That's why I think there are probably 8 (maybe as few as 6??) - 15 students per House per year. The number wouldn't be exact or the Sorting Hat function makes no sense. Already explained what I think about the carriages (they hold *up to* or even *no more than* 4 students each). Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:50:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6407 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6406] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 12:50 pm (ET) Another indication that the houses are small is the evidence we receive in Book 1 during the first broomstick flying lesson. They're taking the lessons along with Slytherin and there are 20 broomsticks laid out along the ground. That also lends credence to the 10 per house theory. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: Savoring the Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6408 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Savoring the Series Date: 8/9/00 12:51 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I'm now on my fifth trip through the whole series (only my third through GoF, though). This time I'm reading slowly and just soaking in it. It's amazing to watch how JKR controls the plot, drops insanely funny comments every three or four lines, describes things I've always known (only I'd never realized I knew it). >>> I get something new out of each re-read or each time I listen to the audio versions yet again. I haven't listened to the radio in my car in about 6 mths. I got my husband hooked on the audio versions -- even he admits it keeps one from going insane in heavy traffic snarls. The audio versions (Jim Dale) are great for those little details that your eyes tend to skip right over, even when you think you're re-reading slowly. <<<You know, we're priviledged to be alive while these books are being written. If the series were already done, I'd have wolfed them down in 10 days. As it is, I'll be feasting for at least 3 more years. So don't worry about the wait. Just keep re-reading, posting, second-guessing and before you know it, JKR will show us exactly why it was worth holding our breath an entire year!>> Ooh, well-said Mike. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: "A Sirius Affair" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6409 From: plinsenmayer Subject: "A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/9/00 12:54 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Wow!! This is great I just finished chapter 4 and I love it!!! Will there be more? I guess I will just have to go onto "Paradigm of Uncertantiy".>>> Thanks (on behalf of Carole (siriusgeologist) as well)!! There will indeed be more. We think 10-12 chapters (total). I do recommend that you read Paradigm of Uncertainty first (even though it's still in progress too). But, since ASA is a prequel to PoU -- it makes more sense to have some familiarity with PoU. Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 16:57:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: MORE.COM has a gift certificate promo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6410 From: heiditandy Subject: MORE.COM has a gift certificate promo Date: 8/9/00 12:57 pm (ET) You can get a gift certificate to use for a Harry Potter book at http://www.more.com/index.html?jump=3055_potter&z=2 It's a 3 step spell: Step #1 Spend $25 and ... poof ... a Gift Certificate will appear in your cart. Step #2 After check-out, a magical link for your gift certificate codes will appear. Step #3 Click on the link to redeem your gift by selecting your book from our partner, buy.com. they note that buy.com is a popular destination for book purchases and because of the high demands for "Goblet of Fire," shipping delays are possible I'm thinking that it's a good way for those with $$ issues to get the book - I mean, $25 of toothpaste, vitamins, kleenex and batteries is a worthwhile trade, right? From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:00:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione as a Prefect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6411 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Hermione as a Prefect Reply To: [Yahoo! #6400] Hermione as a Prefect Date: 8/9/00 1:00 pm (ET) > I agree with Smitster -- I think Hermione's close association with > Harry & Ron might prevent her from being made a prefect. Then again, > I'm still not clear how the prefects are selected. Do students "run" > for prefect - elected by the student body? Or, are they selected by > the professors? If they are selected by the professors, do the > students "apply" for the position or are they just told they've been > selected? If it's the latter, can they turn it down? I could see a magical selection used at Hogwarts. Perhaps the Sorting Hat spits out the names of the prefects early in summer break. I'm guessing we'll find out in one of the later books. From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:01:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6412 From: salter15 Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6407] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 1:01 pm (ET) Ok, going with the theory that there are 10 students per year in each house that would give us a total of 70 students in each house and 280 in the school. Thus giving us the hundreds of people watching as Harry was sorted. Janet From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:09:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6413 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Reply To: [Yahoo! #6399] Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Date: 8/9/00 1:09 pm (ET) <<I'd PAY the publisher for an electronic copy, with all the anti-theft encoding and self-destruct mechanisms they want to attach. I hope they are considering this as a future option. >> Save this prediction for the FAQ: I predict that for or before Book 7's release, we'll be able to all download the newest HP book to our computer or ebook at the same time, everywhere in the world. But my husband & I are still planning to take our son Harrison to the UK for the release of Book 7! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:10:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6414 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Randy's Songs Date: 8/9/00 1:10 pm (ET) Hi: Oh, I definitely agree that there should be a FAQ page for Randy's songs (which are hysterical!). Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:30:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Names (was: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6415 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Names (was: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6379] Re: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 1:30 pm (ET) > Albus means white in latin. And "white" has the connotation "pure" in Latin. I think the reason that "Albus" sounds like "Albion" (a poetic name for the island of Britain) is that "Albion" is derived from "albus" and refers to the "white cliffs of Dover". > Pomfrey I'm not sure about. Pomfrey sounds like "comfrey", an herb used in herbal medicine. Dictionary.com says: com'frey (kmfr) Any of various hairy perennial Eurasian herbs of the genus Symphytum, especially S. officinale, having variously colored flowers in coiled cymes and long used in herbal medicine. Also called healing herb. HEALING HERB -- THAT'S OUR MADAM POMFREY! http://www2.tscnet.com/pages/omard1/jportat5.html says some of its other names area bruisewort (which means an herb good for curing bruises) and boneset (which is self-explanatory). I had friends in New York City who always recommended it for respiratory garbage ("colds"). From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:37:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6416 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6357] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 1:37 pm (ET) By: vjmerri Date: 8/9/00 1:09 am wrote: I have a thing for Remus. He seems very nice, he has intelligent grey eyes and has demonstrated his intelligence during PoA. He has had a very hard life, and it wasn't his fault. He is still a good person and against the dark side. He has a lot of common sense and seemed to be an excellent and understanding teacher, so he is probably an understanding person outside the classroom. He needs some feeding up with home cooked comfort food, a lot of rest and, oh yeah, to get laid <g> ************************ Now I know intellectually that Remus and Sirius are the same age....but from the moment Remus was introduced in PoA I have this image of a man in his 60's!!! Which is why I have not been able to see him as particularly sexy...its a personal problem, I know... I know that this is irrational and contrary to everything that has been written in the cannon about him, but first impressions are rather lasting...I have tried and tried to put the image of Sam Niell in there at the mention of Remus, but my brain keeps returning to its original image....I will keep trying, and he does seem like a wonderful person....and I am enjoying "Call of the Wild" fanfic about him....hmmmmmm carole From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:47:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: Ladies and Broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6417 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Ladies and Broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6358] Re: Date: 8/9/00 1:47 pm (ET) By: catlady_de_los_angeles Date: 8/9/00 1:10 am posted > Danemead -- thanks for the plug! We were quite happy with that broomsticks conversation. <g> When I read it, I made noises that caused Tim to run into the room asking "Were you laughing or choking?" I had to tell him that two authors whom I had thought to be ladies had just made a new variant on the old joke about the wizard and his, uh, broomstick. *************************** Well, we are still ladies, last time I checked (as opposed to being gentleman) and I hope our comments haven't tarnished your image of Penny and me.....and we are glad you were laughing and not choking... carole From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 17:56:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6418 From: ravenclawlady Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6406] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 1:56 pm (ET) <<Already explained what I think about the carriages (they hold *up to* or even *no more than* 4 students each). >> I wonder how the Creevey brothers will fit in there. If they're in a carriage together, that one may be the first to fit five ;). Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:02:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: Savoring the Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6419 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Savoring the Series Reply To: [Yahoo! #6408] Savoring the Series Date: 8/9/00 2:02 pm (ET) <<The audio versions (Jim Dale) are great for those little details that your eyes tend to skip right over, even when you think you're re-reading slowly.>> I agree. When I read, I tend to go straight for scenes with dialogue (inner or outer), but skim impatiently over action-only scenes (Quidditch games, battles, etc), just getting the general gist of what happened. This is just my general preference, not just for the HP books. When listening to tapes, however, I never use the fast-forward button to skim over scenes. I just listen to the whole think, and discover what I've missed. Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:15:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6420 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Reply To: [Yahoo! #6413] Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Date: 8/9/00 2:15 pm (ET) >>>>Save this prediction for the FAQ: I predict that for or before Book 7's release, we'll be able to all download the newest HP book to our computer or ebook at the same time, everywhere in the world.<<<<<< Workman Publishing has a neat deal with the "Page-A-Day" calendars they publish. If you purchase the paper copy calendar, there is a webpage address and code number inside the packaging that allows you to download an electronic version of the calendar for your computer. It's really nice! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:16:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: Ladies and Broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6421 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Ladies and Broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6417] Re: Ladies and Broomsticks Date: 8/9/00 2:16 pm (ET) Yeah, but remember it is not the size of the wand, it is how much magic is in it. Don't forget the Dark Wizard known as Wavyhill in Larry Niven's Warlock series, who carried a sword for sympathetic magic reasons - i.e. using a similarity as the basis of a spell to ensure that item 'a' influences an attribute (in this case, rigidity) to item 'b'. Obviously, there was no such thing as herbal Viagra for him! (Story: "What Good is a Glass Dagger?") From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:50:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:50:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6422 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6404] Number of Students Date: 8/9/00 2:50 pm (ET) >>> I still think the *preponderence* of the evidence suggests a student body of 225-300 students. That would still qualify as "hundreds" of faces watching Harry being sorted from SS. It probably looked like hundreds in any case -- he was completely nervous at that point. I'm with Joywitch -- the 200 Slytherin supporters at that Quidditch match must have included a fair number of alumni and/or Hogsmeade residents. >>> This is from Chapter 31, "The Third Task," on page 620 of the First American Edition of GoF: "Five minutes later, the stands had begun to fill; the air was full of excited voices and the rumbling of feet as the hundreds of students filed into their seats." Note that it says hundreds of *students* rather than hundreds of *people,* therefore excluding faculty, alumni, family, etc. (Although I'm sure faculty, alumni, family, etc. were present as well). This means that there has to be at least 200 students to constitute usage of the word "hundreds." I think I agree with Penny and Joywitch's theory as well! :-) -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 18:52:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:52:00 -0400 Subject: Names (was: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6423 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Names (was: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6415] Re: Names (was: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 2:52 pm (ET) >>> Also called healing herb. HEALING HERB -- THAT'S OUR MADAM POMFREY! >>> Hehehe...it would be funny if Madam Pomfrey was married to a guy named Herb. Herb and Poppy Pomfrey. :) *g* -- JoAnna From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 19:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:02:00 -0400 Subject: Pink Glitter T Shirts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! 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HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6425 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6404] Number of Students Date: 8/9/00 3:49 pm (ET) >>>I'm with Joywitch -- the 200 Slytherin supporters at that Quidditch match must have included a fair number of alumni and/or Hogsmeade residents. Yes, I have imagined this scene at length: Uncle Crabbe - big, solid and dumb, constantly asking everyone "What happened?"; Grandma Malfoy in ragged, drooping, dirty black robes, (with green trim) cackling everytime it looks a player might have gotten hurt; MacNair, fondling his axe; and all the little Goyle cousins, farting loudly and throwing darts at the players. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 19:52:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:52:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6426 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6406] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 3:52 pm (ET) >>>Already explained what I think about the carriages (they hold *up to* or even *no more than* 4 students each). Perhaps the reason why there are hundreds of carriages is because some of them are used to transport the student's trunks - remember they are told to leave their baggage on the train, so the trunks must be transported separately. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:07:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6427 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6336] Viloence: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 4:07 pm (ET) <<What would the ratings of the Disney films be if they used live action and CGI?>> You are very correct in saying that Disney movies often have very violent or greusome themes. But if you look back to the actual storys they were often far worse. The book "Tarzan of the Apes", was actually quite gory, and the movie was much more child friendly. <<If Star Wars were just a novel, what would the reading level be?>> I am not sure if you know this but, at least in the schools that I have attended, the reading level is not based on content. It is based on words on a page, or something similar. I have read books that talked rather evasively (and yet it was still quite blunt) about sex and these were 5th to lower 6th grade reading level. It might also be interesting to know the reading levels of books by popular adult authors such as Mary Higgins Clark (7-8th grade level) and John Grisham (5-6th grade level). <<Are there discreprencies between reading levels, movie ratings, tv ratings, game ratings etc?>> I am not really sure about this but as far as I know books have no labeling system for books, while many books have adult themes, any child could go into a library and check them out. Yet the other side of this is that a book might have an age restriction while an advanced reader might be able to handle it and still be under age. I really hope this helped. Scott From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:12:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: How old is Hagrid? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6428 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: How old is Hagrid? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6271] Re: How old is Hagrid? Date: 8/9/00 4:12 pm (ET) "Incidentally, I've grown a long white beard while reading through the posts here. I'd better go and shave..." Neil, let me break this to you gently: You know that *is* why Penny comjured up a virtual age line around this Club. Funny it didn't spit you out earlier ... Very nasty things can happen to minors who hang about in Harry Potter Clubs for Grownups and flood everybody with singularly juvenile posts. And BTW: if you think Rita didn't notice your beard, she'll certainly remember it once she's read this post! Tsch'ssli, Mike (Who dreams of growing up to be either an astronaut like Neil Armstrong or an 'berposter like the other Neil.) From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:14:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6429 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6351] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 4:14 pm (ET) "hot apple cider with melted butter and brown sugar mixed in." Huh? Did you really say melted butter? In apple cider? I'm, er, fascinated. Doesn't it glomm together on the surface? Or do you have to stirr it with a Sirius Special Coffee Stick to create an instant emulsion? Oh the things I'm learning in this club ... haggis ... chattlins, er, chittlins ... cider with butter! What's next?! Mike (who used to consider himself an eater of some daring.) From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:16:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6430 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6289] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 4:16 pm (ET) '"Not strong stuff" leads me to believe that it is a very weak, but slightly Alcoholic drink.' Or maybe drinking any "recreational" beverage is enough to make a house elf tipsy. All they're used to is cold water and hard work. Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:18:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:18:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6431 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6235] Re: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 4:18 pm (ET) Speaking of name derivations: could somebody check up on the name of the badger who helped Prince Caspian (C.S. Lewis, Narnia 2)? I think his name had a similar sound--and it had something to do with looking for thins to. Or maybe it was one of the dwarves who had a "nifflish" name. Bother--my Narnia set is still packed after our last move, and I can't believe I've let my Narnia lore get so rusty. Has Harry Potter led me astray? Worrying, Mike From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:21:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:21:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertantiy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6432 From: salter15 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertantiy Date: 8/9/00 4:21 pm (ET) Alright darn it!! I am just as hooked on this one now as I am on JKR's! I just finished chapter 5 and I can't wait to read the rest. This story is incredible, have you ever considered being a writer yourselves? Janet From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:25:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: A Few Thoughts: Magical Bonds Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6433 From: mikesusangray Subject: A Few Thoughts: Magical Bonds Date: 8/9/00 4:25 pm (ET) Well, I've just finished a new read through the Harry Potter series, and I've jotted down a few ideas I've been thinking about. I suppose I'd better put them in separate messages, since they're pretty far ranging. I'll kick off a couple this evening and get the other two or three ready for later. So here goes: ******************* This is definitely the wierdest, but here goes: 1. Magical Bonds. Relationships of a deep and vital nature create a bond between the persons involved. Some examples: At its most simple: Harry and the Big V. have the same phoenix feather in their wands: hence, the wands can't fight. Hence, a bond of identity. More complex: Lilly lets the Big V. kill her in hopes of saving Harry. This creates a bond between Harry and Big V. such that V. can't curse Harry. We could call this a generosity (or love) bond. A related case: The <?> charm, such that a single secret bearer knows where a person is concealed. No, this isn't quite the same as the bonds above. Before, a natural interaction creates a magical state without any conscious intent; here the magical state is created intentionally. However, the magic does require a natural relationship (presumably friendship) between the hider and the secret bearer (i.e., the secret bearer has to agree to be one); and it also creates an unbreakable bond between the persons in question. So, a (charmed) friendship bond. More interesting: James chooses to save Snape's life or Harry Wormtail's, creating a magical relationship of debt on the part of the person saved. Dumbledore says the latter relationship may have considerable consequences. We could call this a bond of debt. More intriguing: Dumbledore's (in)famous "triumphant look." Harry's blood allowed V. to re-create his body. I think we're back to another kind of debt bond. V. is in debt to Harry, and at some point that will have consequences. The mysterious case: For some reason, Harry is utterly safe from the Big V. when under the Dursleys' protection. Hm. Another relationship. Now: assuming this is not simply because all the Dursleys' neighbors are bodyguard wizards, it must be something about the Dursleys that repels any attempt V. might make to reach Harry. Might we be seeing some kind of magical bond at work here, too? I don't think the bond could depend on any good will towards Harry on the Dursleys' part. - The easiest solution would be some sort of <?> charm. This presents the most straightforward solution. It also has some problems. (1) It leaves the impression that Harry would be safe only as long as he's inside the Dursleys' house--and people have already noted that he didn't stay in more than he had to. (2) But can we consider this "ancient magic" (as Dumbledore terms it) or just another run-of-the-mill charm? (3) And also: why on earth would Dumbledore have chosen the Dursleys for the charm--he could have done it just as well with the Weasleys--or even with the director of a muggle orphanage. Harry certainly wouldn't have minded! - But what if one of the Dursleys stands either in a two way bond with V. or in a three way bond between Harry and V.? The bond is such such that V. (though NOT magic in general--plenty of other magical people have found their ways into the Dursleys' lives!) is utterly excluded either from the Dursleys' life or from Harry's life when he is the Dursleys' guest. Or could the bond derive from the Dursleys' having done the "right thing" (keeping Harry) even though they didn't want to? I.e. perhaps pretecting someone you don't want to protect creates a bond of its own. Anyway, I've managed to get so far. Or am I just muggling things? Muggling along, Mike From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: Pink Glitter T Shirts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6434 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Pink Glitter T Shirts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6424] Pink Glitter T Shirts Date: 8/9/00 4:26 pm (ET) > If you want a t shirt that evokes the wonderful colours of Pansy Parkinson's dress robe Do Those People provide any way to see all the t-shirts other than by endlessly hitting Reload (and each time then endlessly waiting) for the page to come up again with a different random selection of three items? Notable things I've seen so far: a kid's Slytherin t-shirt, black with Slytherin logo in very handsome but inaccurate Turquoise and Purple, an adult's Slytherin t-shirt in grey with Slytherin logo in accurate Green and inaccurate Yellow, with a caption saying: "Sort yourself into the muggle-friendly house of Slytherin", one glimpse only of a Sorting Hat t-shirt that hasn't come up again yet. Me, I want a Ravenclaw coffee mug (a big one). Specifically, I want a Ravenclaw '74 (or '76, it's complicated) coffee mug. On one side the Ravenclaw eagle is smoking a joint (obviously not his first) while perched on the numbers 1974 (or 1976). On the other, RAVENCLAW in that zigzaggy lettering from the old days has a word trailing off each letter: Righteous, Attractive, Valuable, Eager, Natural, Classy, Legendary, Amazing, Wise. Oh, my, that brings back the memories! I strongly urged that L should be Learned or Laureate, and A should be Adept, but at least the guy who wanted Lewd was voted down!, From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:31:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: More Thoughts: The Mechanics of Magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6435 From: mikesusangray Subject: More Thoughts: The Mechanics of Magic Date: 8/9/00 4:31 pm (ET) There seem to be three subjects that have to do with the actual machanics of magic: Charms, Transfiguration and Potions. Is transfig. a specialized sub-category of charms or is there a basic distinction between the two? And where do curses, hexes and jinxes fit in? Are they all just terms for nasty charms or are they an entirely different sort of magic? Mike From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6436 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6429] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 4:33 pm (ET) > > "hot apple cider with melted butter and brown sugar mixed in." > Doesn't it glomm together on the surface? It sounds like hot buttered rum with cider instead of rum. I had a hot buttered rum once, and found that it tasted quite nasty, but I admit only that a small portion of the butter left the thin emulsion to make a scum on the surface. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:39:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: Word Play Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6437 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Word Play Reply To: [Yahoo! #6431] Re: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 4:39 pm (ET) The Badger is Trufflehunter. I know what you mean about letting Narnia lore get rusty. I couldn't remember the name either, and browsed through Narnia websites until I found it. I finally pulled out my set of the Chronicles of Narnia last week after neglecting them for a long time--ever since I started reading the Harry Potter books. :) Karin From dogspoon at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 20:58:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley Mail Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6438 From: dogspoon Subject: Dursley Mail Date: 8/9/00 4:58 pm (ET) So how did the Dursley's know how to get mail to Harry? What do they do anyway, just put the envelope in the box and hope an owl comes to get it? How much does British air mail cost anyway???????sorry. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 21:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6439 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 8/9/00 5:12 pm (ET) Hi: Janet -- Thanks for the compliments on A Sirius Affair. But, Carole & I are not the author(s) of Paradigm of Uncertainty. That one is written by Lori Summers, who is not (but should be) a member of this group. I'm still trying to talk her into joining us. Carole & I got very hooked into Paradigm of Uncertainty early on -- it's been ongoing since March I think. Anyway, around Chapter 10, we approached Lori about doing a Prequel to Paradigm of Uncertainty. She has plans for doing some sequels herself, but she had no problems with us pursuing a prequel if we wanted. Hence, "A Sirius Affair." We do run every chapter past her beforehand to be sure we aren't interfering with some storyline or character that she needs later for her sequels. She has also graciously allowed us to post the chapters & generate commentary on her egroups list for Paradigm of Uncertainty. Mind you, I'd rather be writing H/H stories, but I'm having lots of fun with this fanfic thing nonetheless. <g> I am a writer of sorts, although this is my first crack at creative (fiction) writing. Carole is the better member of our writing team as far as dialogue. I'm still working on perfecting that skill. Anyway, I just wanted to be sure that you knew that we can't lay claim to writing Paradigm of Uncertainty (which I think is the best HP fanfic on the internet). Penny From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 21:23:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6440 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #6439] Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 8/9/00 5:23 pm (ET) Thank you for clarifying who the author is. However, "A Sirius Affair" was wonderful also, I can't wait for more chapters. Please tell Lori that PoU is great for me and hopefully she will join our group soon. Janet From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 22:29:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Patil Twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6441 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Patil Twins Date: 8/9/00 6:29 pm (ET) Hey folks, Help me out with something -- I know I need to read SS more closely (I will when I get around to it -- halfway through CoS for the second time, making my way through the series again), but aren't there two Patil twin sisters, Pavrati and .....? Are they both in Griffindor? Didn't Ron go to the ball with one, while Harry went with the other? Are they identical twins, and if so, why would the Sorting Hat put them in different houses (if it did)? Thought I remembered somewhere in GoF where there was a description of the sorting process, and someone said there was no guarantee that family, even identical twins, would be sorted into the same house. Is that a reference to the Patils? Sorry for the slew of questions... I'm just now noticing how many details I keep missing every time I read the books again. Thanks, Hot Gaz From Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 22:45:00 2000 From: Hot_Gazpacho at yahoo.com (Hot_Gazpacho) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: Pink Glitter T Shirts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6442 From: Hot_Gazpacho Subject: Re: Pink Glitter T Shirts Reply To: [Yahoo! #6434] Re: Pink Glitter T Shirts Date: 8/9/00 6:45 pm (ET) Anyone else notice what happens when you click on "Mens" and then "Swimwear"? Personally, I like the Harry Potter Clock an awful lot, but I wouldn't want to wear it to the beach! <giggle> Hot Gaz From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:03:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Viloence: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6443 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Viloence: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6336] Viloence: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 7:03 pm (ET) I enjoyed your post as you discuss things I have thought about, but haven't shared with the HP world. I recently re-read the Chronicles of Narnia and was surprised to read sentences such as "Peter cut off the Calormene's head" during the battle scenes (I paraphrased, but you get the idea) Yet never have I heard anything denouncing the violence in Lewis's works! Is it simply because his 7 book series is considered a Christian allegory that children brandishing broadswords and decapitating foreign invaders is *not* considered violent? Only in this last HP book does someone actually die, whilst in Narnia the dead fairly litter the pages. *Sigh...* Trina From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:20:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:20:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6444 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6389] Re: Dogspoon, gently.... (and more.....) Date: 8/9/00 7:20 pm (ET) <Maybe I am asssuming breakfast is at 8am when it may be 10am> I am thinking it's probably more like 10:30,2:30,and 4:30 that's reasonable right?or,9:30, with an hour for Mealtimes, at 1:30 and 4:30. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:37:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:37:00 -0400 Subject: Patil Twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6445 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Patil Twins Reply To: [Yahoo! #6441] Patil Twins Date: 8/9/00 7:37 pm (ET) Padma, who was Ron's date is a Ravenclaw. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:42:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:42:00 -0400 Subject: Narnian Badger Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6446 From: golden_faile Subject: Narnian Badger Reply To: [Yahoo! #6431] Re: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 7:42 pm (ET) I think,the name you are loking for, is Trufflehunter. It's o.k , I get a pang of guilt every now and again also. The chronicles will always be my first love, after all they gave me first taste of fantasy novels,I've been hooked every since. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:52:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Prince Caspian's badger Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6447 From: triner2001 Subject: Prince Caspian's badger Reply To: [Yahoo! #6431] Re: Word Play Date: 8/9/00 7:52 pm (ET) Okay, he was a Talking Badger and therefore Free, but I think his name was Trufflehunter. I just re-read my Narnias and without digging them out of the box in which they're packed, I can't say for certain. Trina From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:54:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:54:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Snape.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6448 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Casting Snape.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6413] Re: Harry Potter Books On The Internet Date: 8/9/00 7:54 pm (ET) I cannot tell you the name of the actor, nor the role he plays, but here's some details of the show: THE DREW CAREY SHOW (yes, I am from Ohio--lol!). Who is that actor that plays his boss (with the English accent?)? I think he would be a good Snape! Dee From golden_faile at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:55:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:55:00 -0400 Subject: violence in Narnia&other observations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6449 From: golden_faile Subject: violence in Narnia&other observations Reply To: [Yahoo! #6443] Re: Viloence: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 7:55 pm (ET) I loved the series, but when I went back and read it to my son some time later,I noticed some things. He also promotes racism to a small degree. Have you ever noticed that everyone good is of the fair race? The Calormenes, being the only dark-skinned race, are evil. Oh sure, you get a few good ones every once in awhile,but really! I omitted alot of things for my son,until he can go back and read it for himself,when he is a little older. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 9 23:56:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: Savoring the Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6450 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Savoring the Series Reply To: [Yahoo! #6408] Savoring the Series Date: 8/9/00 7:56 pm (ET) Penny wrote: "I get something new out of each re-read or each time I listen to the audio versions yet again. <snip> The audio versions (Jim Dale) are great for those little details that your eyes tend to skip right over, even when you think you're re-reading slowly." This is EXACTLY what I was going to post on today! I've forgiven Jim Dale his interpretation of Hermione (I grit my teeth whenever he whines her lines) due to his EXCELLENT renditions of the Quidditch matches. I really, *really* wished it was PoA being shown next year--the last two Quidditch matches in Book Three are THE BEST! I was howling in traffic over Lee's commentary. Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:04:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:04:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6451 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6416] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 8:04 pm (ET) Carole wrote: "Now I know intellectually that Remus and Sirius are the same age....but from the moment Remus was introduced in PoA I have this image of a man in his 60's!!! Which is why I have not been able to see him as particularly sexy...its a personal problem, I know..." It's a *shared* personal problem. Ever since I finished PoA, I thought, "Wow, sounds like once that Sirius guy cleans himself up and eats a solid meal, he'll be something to see." I always liked that aura of impending danger he projects, even before my ideas of wands and broomsticks were totally corrupted on the PoU list. ;) Never thought about Lupin as a heartthrob--he was a cool teacher, but not a crushable character. Enthusiastically joining the "Take it off, Sirius!" club, and envious of the Fifth Marauder, Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:09:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:09:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6452 From: selah_1977 Subject: HP Merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6424] Pink Glitter T Shirts Date: 8/9/00 8:09 pm (ET) <<Or even write like a wizard with a set of 6 Harry Potter Pens (you can use the snape one for classes you don't like) - >> Ah! Too bad the HP pens wouldn't be of much use to me... I don't do much handwriting at home, and if I were to take them to school they'd disappear before second period was out. But I would LOVE WB forever if they came out with an HP stamp set--Snape stamps for messy homework, Hermione stamps for 100%. ;) Ebony AKA AngieJ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:16:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Subject: Crushable characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6453 From: golden_faile Subject: Crushable characters Reply To: [Yahoo! #6450] Re: Savoring the Series Date: 8/9/00 8:16 pm (ET) How funny, I always thought something was a little off with me for crushing on book characters! Now I know I'm not the only one! I've been crushing on this evil wizard in one of the other series that I read and did'nt say anything about it, for fear of being locked up(LOL)! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:19:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:19:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6454 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Reply To: [Yahoo! #6376] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/9/00 8:19 pm (ET) Mike wrote: "Some thoughts about Ron & Quidditch: I have the feeling that Ron will soon become *captain* of the Quidditch team, perhaps as keeper." Yes, Mike! This would be perfect, and move the Triumverate into the #1 slots of prominence at Hogwarts by book Seven. Hermione, if she's not Petrified again or Voldy's hostage, should be Head Girl. And Harry is just Harry--doesn't need titles to add to his fame. Although it would be nice if he made Head Boy, since his dad was. BTW, where is Neil? Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:25:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:25:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6455 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6427] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 8:25 pm (ET) Scott wrote: "I am not sure if you know this but, at least in the schools that I have attended, the reading level is not based on content. It is based on words on a page, or something similar. I have read books that talked rather evasively (and yet it was still quite blunt) about sex and these were 5th to lower 6th grade reading level. It might also be interesting to know the reading levels of books by popular adult authors such as Mary Higgins Clark (7-8th grade level) and John Grisham (5-6th grade level)." As a member of the IRA (International Reading Association), I can speak about this. Reading level and readiness are two very different things. When I was in kindergarten, I was tested as reading on the 12th grade level. This does not mean that I should have immediately begun reading Gary Jennings' Aztec (popular that year). I did enjoy Judy Blume, Walter Dean Myers, Beverly Cleary, and others at that age. I've said it once on another HP list, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face if I have to. Just because a kid can READ it, doesn't mean that the kid is READY for it. 'K? K. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is attending a DYNAMIC two week Language Arts teacher inservice, where the peer coaches and I are infecting my colleagues with the mental condition known as Pottermania.) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:27:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:27:00 -0400 Subject: Ladies and Broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6456 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Ladies and Broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6421] Re: Ladies and Broomsticks Date: 8/9/00 8:27 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/9/00 2:16 pm <<<<Yeah, but remember it is not the size of the wand, it is how much magic is in it.>>>> <g> There goes my new signature quote. Those who can will understand and cackle, those who can't will think I'm being profound. Love it! Ebony AKA AngieJ From China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:32:00 2000 From: China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com (China_Doll1217) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:32:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6457 From: China_Doll1217 Subject: Re: HP Merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6452] HP Merchandise Date: 8/9/00 8:32 pm (ET) Hi everyone. I love the HP books and have been enjoying your posts in my email daily. I have not read all of 3 or any of 4 yet so I try to skip over any mention of whats the contents might be of those. I have found a lot of usuful info in these posts and am going back through books 1 and 2 just to make sure I didn't miss anything. I have a website at www.nichols2dollars.com, and for anyone who goes there and registers, I will be having a drawing at the end of this month for a baby dragon hatching from an egg (like Hagrids little Norbert.) Registration is free. so go check it out. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:35:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6458 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Butterbeer Reply To: [Yahoo! #6429] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/9/00 8:35 pm (ET) Mike wrote: "Huh? Did you really say melted butter? In apple cider? I'm, er, fascinated. Doesn't it glomm together on the surface?" I'm a hot-cider fanatic and never had this in mind for butterbeer. Either it's root beer-like, or it's alcoholic. <<<<Or do you have to stirr it with a Sirius Special Coffee Stick to create an instant emulsion? In light of the recent conversation, I'm going to leave the above statement alone. ;) Otherwise, I'll get kicked off list for indecency and possibly excommunicated from the Nice Girl's Club that my friends think I'm the president of. <g> <<<<Oh the things I'm learning in this club ... haggis ... chattlins, er, chittlins ... cider with butter! What's next?! Chitterlings is what they're called... Rita told us in chat Sunday that they were peasant food in the Old World (Britain?). Here they're called "chitlins" (at least in the South) and originated as a meat source for enslaved persons and the poorer populations. Hence, the phrase "high on the hog" as outdated African-American slang for someone who has attained wealth. Still tripping and chuckling about treacle *and* that other British food we talked about, Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:40:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: Viloence: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6459 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Viloence: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6443] Re: Viloence: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 8:40 pm (ET) Trina wrote: "Yet never have I heard anything denouncing the violence in Lewis's works! Is it simply because his 7 book series is considered a Christian allegory that children brandishing broadswords and decapitating foreign invaders is *not* considered violent? Only in this last HP book does someone actually die, whilst in Narnia the dead fairly litter the pages. *Sigh...*" Double sigh. As a conservative Christian, I *hate* our tendency to jump on the Judgment Bandwagon. I'd go over my dissertation on enjoying HP and not going to Hell because of it, but I'm too weary of that particular debate to even bother. Besides, it would be like preaching to the choir here on an HP list. And thanks to that debate on another list, I arrived here... Still, it irks me that many of my best friends AND my favorite aunt will never experience the joy of a series that I know they'd love b/c of their unfair prejudices. To Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:42:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:42:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6460 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6451] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 8:42 pm (ET) > Enthusiastically joining the "Take it off, Sirius!" club, and envious of the Fifth Marauder, I think ALL the Marauders saw each other naked quite regularly. while living in the same room -- while changing clothes. The sight would have been more *interesting* (to us, anyway) when they were 17/18 than when they were 11/12. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:44:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6461 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6460] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 8:44 pm (ET) > Enthusiastically joining the "Take it off, Sirius!" club, and envious of the Fifth Marauder, >>>>>I think ALL the Marauders saw each other naked quite regularly. while living in the same room -- while changing clothes. The sight would have been more *interesting* (to us, anyway) when they were 17/18 than when they were 11/12. Hey Rita--but remember, Neil said it was at the Potter's wedding that he saw it, right? More like 20+... whoo-hoo! Going to start on the FAQ list now before she really gets into trouble, Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6462 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: HP Merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6452] HP Merchandise Date: 8/9/00 8:44 pm (ET) > But I would LOVE WB forever if they came out with an HP stamp set--Snape stamps for messy homework, Hermione stamps for 100%. I think there are companies that will make drawings into one-of-a-kind rubber stamps. It is legal to make an item using a licensed whatever if you make just one of the item and it's for your personal use. Maybe Dogspoon would let you use his drawings for your rubber stamps. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:46:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:46:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6463 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: HP Merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6462] Re: HP Merchandise Date: 8/9/00 8:46 pm (ET) Catlady wrote: "I think there are companies that will make drawings into one-of-a-kind rubber stamps. It is legal to make an item using a licensed whatever if you make just one of the item and it's for your personal use. Maybe Dogspoon would let you use his drawings for your rubber stamps." Good idea, Rita... Dogspoon's and BJ's drawings are among the best I've seen on the Net. Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 00:48:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6464 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6461] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 8:48 pm (ET) > Hey Rita--but remember, Neil said it was at the Potter's wedding that he saw it, right? More like 20+... whoo-hoo! Agree on whoo-hoo (are we turning into Horn(y)ed Owls?), disagree on "Neil said". IIRC (that means If I Recall Correctly) Neil *implied*. And isn't he the tricksy sort that would dangle a tempting implication in front of us ... From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:05:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: Crushable characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6465 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Crushable characters Reply To: [Yahoo! #6453] Crushable characters Date: 8/9/00 9:05 pm (ET) >>>>How funny, I always thought something was a little off with me for crushing on book characters! <<<< After painful experiences involving crushes on real-life celebrities (who always end up behaving in dishonorable ways), I've decided to limit my mad crushes to fictional characters only. It's much more satisfying. And believe me, you are not alone -- I belong to another book group where a significant number of us are constantly dreaming about possessing the dashing hero for our very own. (See, kids, you never really grow up, if you don't want to!) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:07:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Casting and a Nice Quote Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6466 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Movie Casting and a Nice Quote Date: 8/9/00 9:07 pm (ET) On Harry Potter Anonymous on e-groups, Joe Guy posted the text of this article about casting the movie, which shows that many of the predictions made in this e-mail-list were correct: http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,6909,00.html (unfortunately he posted it as view-source text). In reference to casting Gloucester Cathedral as the exterior of Hogwarts, it quotes the dean of the cathedral, the Very Reverend Nicholas Bury, as "being a fan of the books. 'It is also amusing, exciting and wholesome. In the book, goodness, honesty and integrity overcome lies and deceit.'" Meanwhile, on hpa, listmom Megan just published a draconian set of rules, banning not only flaming but rudeness, not only rudeness but off-topic posts. I get the feeling that if our 'broomstick' conversations had happened there, they would have been banned, too. From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:12:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6467 From: Danemead Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6455] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 9:12 pm (ET) >>>I've said it once on another HP list, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face if I have to. Just because a kid can READ it, doesn't mean that the kid is READY for it. 'K? K.<<<< I distinctly remember reading "The Razor's Edge," by Somerset Maugham, in high school. Just recently I re-read the book. It was like reading an entirely new story. The experiences I have been through during the last 30 years gave an entirely new dimension to this book (one of my all-time favs). THAT'S why adults annoy teenagers so much by saying things like "You're too young to understand." We don't think you are stupid or naive, we just know that you'll probably have an entirely different perspective and reaction to the same issues after you've had a few decades of experience under your belt. I've got to go and take my Geritol now.... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6468 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/9/00 9:13 pm (ET) possibly might be the python in the zoo. I know he's just a Muggle creature, but I always like him. I am biased toward Crookshanks (meow!), but actually prefer quantity: the innumerable cats of all (natural, I think) colors who were twining among students' feet in Harry's first sight of Platform 9 3/4 in SS. Wizard folk's cats are braver and friendlier than *most* of mine: most of mine would run and hide under something if faced with so much crowd and noise, and would use very bad language and maybe a few claws when speaking to cats from other households. Why hasn't anyone picked Buckbeak yet? From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:15:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:15:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Casting and a Nice Quote Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6469 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Movie Casting and a Nice Quote Reply To: [Yahoo! #6466] Movie Casting and a Nice Quote Date: 8/9/00 9:15 pm (ET) By: catlady_de_los_angeles Date: 8/9/00 9:07 pm <<<<<<On Harry Potter Anonymous on e-groups, Joe Guy posted the text of this article about casting the movie, which shows that many of the predictions made in this e-mail-list were correct: <<<<<<<http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,6909,00.html (unfortunately he posted it as view-source text). Umm... are there pictures anywhere of these people? I clicked on the names, and they gave me a list of movies... as if THAT helps a cinematic-challenged bookworm like me. I know I should have checked the club files first, but links should be first and foremost practical! Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:22:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:22:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6470 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6467] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 9:22 pm (ET) By: Danemead Date: 8/9/00 9:12 pm >>>I've said it once on another HP list, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face if I have to. Just because a kid can READ it, doesn't mean that the kid is READY for it. 'K? K.<<<< >>I distinctly remember reading "The Razor's Edge," by Somerset Maugham, in high school. Just recently I re-read the book. It was like reading an entirely new story. The experiences I have been through during the last 30 years gave an entirely new dimension to this book (one of my all-time favs). ====== Danemead, so the teens on list don't get upset, let me add something. I'm a pretty young adult--my 23rd birthday is Friday. I know more now than when I was 16. I expect to know more when I'm 30 than I do now. That's just life. Could this be why most of my closest friends are in their 30s and 40s? Could this be why my fave shopping buddy is <gasp!> my 70 year old grandmother, a very jazzy lady with nonstop energy? Hmmm... Then again, I have loads of fun teaching and interacting with my students. I also enjoy kidlit/family TV more than anything. Angst-ridden, dotcom driven, MTV's Real World of young adulthood doesn't appeal to me. Go figure. Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:28:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:28:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6471 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6468] My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/9/00 9:28 pm (ET) Rita wrote: "Why hasn't anyone picked Buckbeak yet?" To tell you the truth, Buckbeak scares me a little. I don't know why. I just never thought he was friendly. If I were in the story, a hippogriff like Buckbeak would have pecked me on the head as soon as I turned my back. I am not a cat person, but I do like Crookshanks. Dogs are my favorite pets. I can't wait till I can have one of my own. (Sound like a little kid, don't I?) Ebony AKA AngieJ From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:30:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:30:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6472 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6451] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 9:30 pm (ET) By: selah_1977 Date: 8/9/00 8:04 pm wrote: It's a *shared* personal problem. Ever since I finished PoA, I thought, "Wow, sounds like once that Sirius guy cleans himself up and eats a solid meal, he'll be something to see." I always liked that aura of impending danger he projects, even before my ideas of wands and broomsticks were totally corrupted on the PoU list. ;) ************************ "Cleans himself up?" It was the matted hair, skeletal look, and filthy robes that really did it for me....<g> No really it was the danger, the tradgedy, the depth of experiences, and the fact he really wanted to take care of Harry.... carole From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 01:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: Aside....Tests. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6473 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside....Tests. Date: 8/9/00 9:39 pm (ET) I just took a test to see what kind of guy would be my type ( http://www.emode.com/emode/all_tests.jsp ) and I think I might need to date Fred or George! LOL! Now I know why I liked them so much in the books! (BTW< Just ordered the last three audio-series! Saving one for the free gift certificate from BN!) Laughter is the way to your heart. A guy with a great sense of humor is definitely the one for you! You want a Goofball, someone who can laugh at himself and make you laugh, too. There's no bigger turn-off than a guy who takes himself too seriously. You know that if a guy is silly, he's generally self-confident and secure. Your man is a people magnet and everyone's favorite friend. There's never a dull moment with your jokester nearby. You crave excitement and laughter, and your goofball enhances those things in your life. You probably think life is too short to spend it without a smile. Your goofy guy will ensure that that doesn't happen -- his lighthearted and silly ways make everything a little bit brighter. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:00:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6474 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6426] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/9/00 10:00 pm (ET) >>Perhaps the reason why there are hundreds of carriages is because some of them are used to transport the student's trunks - remember they are told to leave their baggage on the train, so the trunks must be transported separately.<< I think the house-elves are in charge of the trunks. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:04:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: Patil Twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6475 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Patil Twins Reply To: [Yahoo! #6441] Patil Twins Date: 8/9/00 10:04 pm (ET) Parvati is in Gryffindor, Padma is in Ravenclaw. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: Savoring the Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6476 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Savoring the Series Reply To: [Yahoo! #6450] Re: Savoring the Series Date: 8/9/00 10:06 pm (ET) <<I really, *really* wished it was PoA being shown next year--the last two Quidditch matches in Book Three are THE BEST! I was howling in traffic over Lee's commentary.>> BTW, that's why I got the last three first, lol, in the audiobooks. I assume, Angie, you are referring to the movie? :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:25:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6477 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6455] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 10:25 pm (ET) <<I've said it once on another HP list, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face if I have to. Just because a kid can READ it, doesn't mean that the kid is READY for it. 'K? K.>> I guess that's the same concept as movies. There are some movies that even with a lower rating, I feel kids just don't need to see (or television shows). For example: My son is three (like who here doesn't know that now, lol?). I refuse to actively let him watch Rugrats, and especially without me in the room (like at Grandma's or Uncle Carl's). I have had to defend myself from friends, family and all sorts of people for my decision--they feel I am depriving my son. He does know what they are, btw. There are words that Angelica uses, attitudes, and etc, that I feel are just not made for his age group, despit what my peers opinions are. The few times he has gotten to watch, he imitates Angelica (the cruelty--hitting, whining, etc). I refuse to have my son think that she is to be a role model for behavior. They also think I am nuts 'cause I love the teletubbies and blue's clues. (Although, I hate one episode where the little bear goes "I CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T" because he says that all the time now, and knows what it means even though Steve tells her she "can do anything that she wants to do". (Paraphrase) I think by this you can see where I am going. I also have let him watch Pokemon. Cute shows, but I don't remember to turn them on all the time. :) Each child has a different learning rate mentally, and it's attitudes, combined with this rate that determines where/what level of entertainment (books, albums, tv, movies) that they should be involved with. CatDog, the Spongeman, etc...I feel that these shows need a stronger mind, that has seen more in life that a toddler hasn't, and perhaps there are children out there who aren't ready to read Harry Potter quite yet. I will be playing the books (when they arrive) on my radio, and if my son wishes to listen, that is fine. I think he'll be too bored, and go play with his tools, or cars, or something. When he's mentally ready, the books will be there to read.... OOOOOOOOOF! she cries as she falls off her soapbox. From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:37:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6478 From: Danemead Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6470] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/9/00 10:37 pm (ET) >>>> so the teens on list don't get upset,<<<< I meant no disrespect to the teens on the list. In fact, I find many of their posts to be very literate and thought-provoking. Quite often, teens give me an inferiority complex! I think the majority of them are hard-working, enthusiastic people of good character. I often feel it is a shame that a small percentage of "bad" kids make the headlines and take away our recognition of the silent majority who have so much to contribute. I hope that doesn't sound patronizing, because I mean it sincerely. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:43:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: Crushable characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6479 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Crushable characters Reply To: [Yahoo! #6465] Re: Crushable characters Date: 8/9/00 10:43 pm (ET) I used to have a deep crush, when I was 13, on the character Kelson Haldane. Funny, Ian's dad could have the same physical characteristics, but the mental ones are a little lacking, like loyalty, dependability....lol. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 02:50:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: the fact he really wanted to take care o Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6480 From: GypsyCaine Subject: the fact he really wanted to take care o Reply To: [Yahoo! #6472] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/9/00 10:50 pm (ET) the fact he really wanted to take care of Harry.... That's what did it for me, Carole. For both he and Lupin, that feeling of "big brother/uncle" thing towards Harry. :) (The fact that Pierce Brosnan coloring'd (or Scott Cohen, pant pant) guys are my fav's didn't influence my judgment in the least, do you think?) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Ladies & Broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6481 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Ladies & Broomsticks Date: 8/9/00 11:03 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Yeah, but remember it is not the size of the wand, it is how much magic is in it.>>> ROFL! Small teaser -- look for something "along those lines" in ASA later. <<<It's a *shared* personal problem. Ever since I finished PoA, I thought, "Wow, sounds like once that Sirius guy cleans himself up and eats a solid meal, he'll be something to see." I always liked that aura of impending danger he projects, even before my ideas of wands and broomsticks were totally corrupted on the PoU list. ;)>>> Were we (PoU) really the first ones to corrupt you with the wands & broomsticks metaphors? <vbg> <<<Enthusiastically joining the "Take it off, Sirius!" club, and envious of the Fifth Marauder,>>> Ebony, you always crack me up! I'm a card-carrying member of that club though. Whew! Wait'll you read what we have in store for ASA -- <<<>>>>>I think ALL the Marauders saw each other naked quite regularly. while living in the same room -- while changing clothes. The sight would have been more *interesting* (to us, anyway) when they were 17/18 than when they were 11/12.<<<>>> Well, except for Wormtail! Ich!!! <<<Hey Rita--but remember, Neil said it was at the Potter's wedding that he saw it, right? More like 20+... whoo-hoo!>>> I echo that whoo-hoo!! Do tell us more Neil. <g> It'll be interesting to see what we can do with this one for the FAQs, now won't it? <vbg> Penny (stopping now, but too many great lines to pass up) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley Mail Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6482 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dursley Mail Reply To: [Yahoo! #6438] Dursley Mail Date: 8/9/00 11:06 pm (ET) > So how did the Dursleys know how to get mail to Harry? I don't think anyone but JKR knows the answer to that question yet. I can guess that Dumbledore saw to it that they knew the Muggle mailing address for The Leaky Cauldron, and the people at The Leaky Cauldron were glad to lend their owl for the sake of H*a*r*r*y P*o*t*t*e*r. I wonder if The Leaky Cauldron is visible to the Muggle postman, or does he see only a mailbox on the side of the Virgin Megastore? Which reminds me of something I read in the paper eight-some years ago. The subject of the article was that the Constitution, 14th Amendment, says that USA citizens don't lose their right to vote just because of being homeless. A court ruled that the 'home address' line on voter registration forms is only for purposes of identification and a homeless person's registration may not be invalidated just because their 'home address' is the location of the bus bench they sleep on rather than a street address. Anyway, they mentioned a big tree, with a little lawn around it, on a corner in San Diego, and a number of homeless people camped on that lawn, and they gave their address as Tree at (number) (streetname), corner of (other streetname), and they actually attached a mailbox to the tree, with that address written on it, and the letter carrier for their zip code delivered mail to that mail box with no problem, unti some of them registered to vote with that address, whereupon (apparently a politician complained to a postmaster), the mailbox was abruptly confiscated by Post Offal. I'm not trying to make politics about homeless people, but I LIKE the mailbox on the tree! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:09:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:09:00 -0400 Subject: Ladies & Broomsticks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6483 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Ladies & Broomsticks Reply To: [Yahoo! #6481] Ladies & Broomsticks Date: 8/9/00 11:09 pm (ET) <<<Yeah, but remember it is not the size of the wand, it is how much magic is in it.>>> I *think* I first (and best) heard that as "it is not the size of the wand, but the skill of the wizard". >Well, except for Wormtail! Ich!!! I can't imagine that he was ever anything really special, but he must have been okay looking when he was 18 or 20, still in shape, and not yet a Death Eater. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: Later Experience Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6484 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Later Experience Date: 8/9/00 11:14 pm (ET) Hi: Danemead wrote: <<<I distinctly remember reading "The Razor's Edge," by Somerset Maugham, in high school. Just recently I re-read the book. It was like reading an entirely new story. The experiences I have been through during the last 30 years gave an entirely new dimension to this book (one of my all-time favs). THAT'S why adults annoy teenagers so much by saying things like "You're too young to understand." We don't think you are stupid or naive, we just know that you'll probably have an entirely different perspective and reaction to the same issues after you've had a few decades of experience under your belt.>>> Ah, where were you Danemead when I was losing this very argument on hpanonymous last week? You put it so much better than I did. There are so many great works of literature that take on an entirely different twist as you age & mature. "Razor's Edge" is one of those books sitting in my vast library, as yet unread. I take it Danemead's recommendation is a whole-hearted "start it immediately!"?? Penny From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:25:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon gently??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6485 From: dogspoon Subject: Dogspoon gently??? Date: 8/9/00 11:25 pm (ET) As much as I like to see my name up in lights, you guys may want to change your subject heading. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, artistically Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6486 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Dogspoon, artistically Reply To: [Yahoo! #6485] Dogspoon gently??? Date: 8/9/00 11:46 pm (ET) You've put more pictures in the album. The one of Hagrid is PERFECT! From vjmerri at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:50:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's accomplishments Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6487 From: vjmerri Subject: Ron's accomplishments Reply To: [Yahoo! #6454] Re: Quidditch Book 5 and beyond Date: 8/9/00 11:50 pm (ET) I don't think Hermione will make prefect (which she should have made at the end of GoF in time to be prefect in year 5, when Percy made Prefect) because, as others on the list have pointed out, Hermione, while big on following rules, somehow still seems to follow Ron and Harry into the latest bout of rule breaking. In Book 2 she instigates it (the theft from Snape and the potion.) She was right up there helping Harry in three, even when she diapproved; in four she actively helped Harry search for answers, and I thought that _theoretically_ the champions were supposed to do it themselves. She has no problem with wandering around in the invisibility cloak. Now it all comes out right and they wind up saving people, but still, Hermione is not the good little rule follower and enforcer that I perceive a Prefect to be. Then again, she might get notice just after GoF and we find out at the beginning of five. Hermione is very responsible and perhaps that is more important that strict adherence to rules. HOWEVER: Someone in the HP universe needs to credit Ron with what he is done, especially Ron and his family. He's always talking about "standing up" beside his brothers accomplishments. Lets list his. 1. He had the courage to go into the protected wing in book one and the intelligence to play and win against the giant chess set, including accepting that he had to allow himself to be captured. Thus, Ron was a critical part of keeping the stone out of the hands of Voldy. 2. In two, he is willing to use his magic on several occasions to protect Hermione (at least he tries.) 3. He overcomes his greatest fear to go into the forest after the spiders. How many others could face their fear created giant sized and many numbered. He does this not so much to follow alongside Harry but to solve the problem and help Hogwarts and Hermione. 4. He does help solve the problem. Professor Dumbledore in Book Two give both Ron and Harry awards for "special services to the school" and 200 points apiece. Just because Harry got them too is no reason to forget Ron's contributions. Yet neither he nor his family ever mention it again, and apparently he is only the third boy in 50 years to get such an award. That ought to be sufficient for hiS family to talk about for years. I'm sure there are other examples in 3 and 4, but I'm tired and don't want to think hard. The main point is that Ron got this special award for services to the school, he saved the school from being closed and from Lucious, yet he doesn't seem to see it as an accomplishment and neither, apparently, do his family, since its never mentioned again. vicki From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:50:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6488 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #6439] Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 8/9/00 11:50 pm (ET) I finally finished reading "Paradigm of Uncertainty" (as far as it goes) and blissfully moved on to "A Sirius Affair". Absolutely wonderful work, I'm very much impressed. I can't wait to read the rest as it appears. "A Sirius Affair" just reinforced my image of Sirius, ruggedly handsome, lots of that "bad boy" appeal. Gee, why am I getting visuals of him naked? Must be all the talk that's been going around <g> Sheryll From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:52:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: Crushable characters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6489 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Crushable characters Reply To: [Yahoo! #6465] Re: Crushable characters Date: 8/9/00 11:52 pm (ET) It's refreshing to me to hear this kind of talk... In the Oz community it's the ultimate taboo to suggest that there is anything erotically appealing about *any* of the Oz characters. And there certainly is a good amount of sex appeal there, what with all of John Neill's drawings of Glinda's buxom low necklines, Polychrome's graceful dancing and Ozma's slinky evening gowns. But the unwritten commandment is "Thou shalt not lust after an Ozite." But Harry Potter, as a universe that acknowledges its adult-with-healthy-hormones constituancy, and doesn't take itself too seriously anyway (because it isn't governed by a scholarly "priesthood"), we can talk freely and start "Take it off Sirius!" clubs if we want to without being called "blasphemous". (Though I'd personally prefer a "Take it off Madam Rosmerta!" club.) :) From s_ings at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 03:59:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:59:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6490 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6468] My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/9/00 11:59 pm (ET) <Why hasn't anyone picked Buckbeak yet?> Only because I haven't got around to it! I love the stubborness, it all sounds so very familiar - you know, that dig in your heels and never give up kind. Me, stubborn? Never (though I suspect my daughter would beg to differ). He definitely knows who's who as well and doesn't take kindly to the likes of Malfoy and friends. Enough, it's late, I'm very tired and will soon stop making any sense at all. Good night, Sheryll From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: OT - Re: Later Experience Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6491 From: Danemead Subject: OT - Re: Later Experience Reply To: [Yahoo! #6484] Later Experience Date: 8/10/00 12:00 am (ET) >>>> "Razor's Edge" is one of those books sitting in my vast library, as yet unread. I take it Danemead's recommendation is a whole-hearted "start it immediately!"?? Penny <<<<<< Well, I adore ALL of Somerset Maugham, and Razor's Edge is one of my All-Time Top Ten Books. I've seen the movie (Tyrone Power version) about 25 times. The first time I read it, I was a teenager and oblivious. Now when I read it, it's with 30 years experience of spiritual searching in my head, and it has a very special significance to me. I can even see Harry Potter growing up into a person like Larry Darrell, searching for the meaning of Life. I hope you enjoy it when you read it! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:08:00 -0400 Subject: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6492 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Reply To: [Yahoo! #6487] Ron's accomplishments Date: 8/10/00 12:08 am (ET) > I don't think Hermione will make prefect (snip) because (snip) Hermione, while big on following rules, somehow still seems to follow Ron and Harry into the latest bout of rule breaking. (snip) She has no problem with wandering around in the invisibility cloak. (snip) Hermione is not the good little rule follower and enforcer that I perceive a Prefect to be. Repeat > Hermione is not the good little rule follower and enforcer that I perceive a Prefect to be. I think you're judging prefects by Percy. Repeat > She has no problem with wandering around in the invisibility cloak. Remember whose invisibility cloak it is! JAMES had no problem wandering around in the invisibility cloak breaking rules with his friends, and he must have been a prefect considering that he became Head Boy. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:23:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6493 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Reply To: [Yahoo! #6492] Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Date: 8/10/00 12:23 am (ET) (still haven't figured out how to copy previous messages.) Catlady makes a very good point about James 'history." We know that he, Remus and Sirius ran around breaking rules like crazy, disappearing under James invisibility cloak (presumably for mischief) and yet James was head boy, thus presumably prefect. There may be hope for Hermione being named Prefect or even Ron. someone in book one said that James & Co. caused more trouble than anyone in Hogwarts history (and then Hagrid says that Fred and George are in the running) so James & Co. were clearly infamous in their time. Now it seems a little unrealistic to me that he really would have been made head boy with that kind of history, but he was. It says so clearly in the book and doesn't appear to be questionable, so maybe students get owls _after_ year four at the start of the summer to let them know that they have been chosen as prefects. There may be hope for Ron and Hermione. vicki Vicki From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:38:00 -0400 Subject: (still haven't figured out how to copy p Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6494 From: GypsyCaine Subject: (still haven't figured out how to copy p Reply To: [Yahoo! #6493] Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Date: 8/10/00 12:38 am (ET) By: vjmerri Date: 8/10/00 12:23 am (still haven't figured out how to copy previous messages.) The task of cutting/copying and pasting messages is really quite simple. You take your cursor, highlight the group of letters of the text that you wish to "lift" off the page/paragraph/post, whatever, and transfer to the new post. Keeping the selection highlighted, right click your mouse to bring up the editing menu, and choose COPY. This'll transfer it to the computer's clipboard (even my 266 had a clipboard, and the 486's at school did, so I assume this will work for everyone). There is a keyboard shortcut, while you are highlighted, that does the same thing as the right-click-COPY and that is CTRL-C combination. Either way it gets to the clipboard for temporary storage. When you create your new post, you have the choice of either CRTL-V or right-click-PASTE, either will paste your selection right where you want it on the post. I hope this helps? 2 years as a lab monitor for freshman and sophomore college students. I hope I didn't dummy it too much, but I didn't want to make it too technical either! GOOD LUCK and HAPPY POSTING! When you are From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:41:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Later Experience Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6495 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Later Experience Reply To: [Yahoo! #6484] Later Experience Date: 8/10/00 12:41 am (ET) <<<There are so many great works of literature that take on an entirely different twist as you age & mature. >>> Many books (and other things) seem to take on more meaning as you grow older, as Penny, Danemead and others have noted, but there are also some books which seem to have LESS meaning as you grow older. There is some stuff that seemed remarkably profound to me in my teens and 20s which, upon rereading in my 30s and (yes, I admit it) 40s seem very trite and uninteresing. Authors such as Kurt Vonnegut, Herman Hesse, and Ray Bradbury come to mind here - they just dont do it for me anymore. Way off-topic, I know, but did that stop me????? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 04:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Later Experience Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6496 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Later Experience Reply To: [Yahoo! #6495] Re: Later Experience Date: 8/10/00 12:48 am (ET) Nah, that's not really off topic. I know that I look at the HP books sitting on the shelf, and I have to wonder, in ten years, am I still going to feel as enthused about them as I do now? I mean, there are alot of my favorite books that fall into the 12-year old age range (try to explain to my mother what a 31 year old is doing reading Trixie Belden? I received my first of those when I was 11, and I wanted sooo much to be like her!) that when I re-read, seem so simple, and the problems so less complex than the ones I have faced in the last ten years. It's almost like going back to "PLEASANTVILLE" in a way, but I like doing that. People wonder why I like Doris Day movies or (My fav) Audrey Hepburn. There was a spark of innocence, when I first watched alot of them, that my now jaded eyes would love to recapture. (BTW could never get into Ray Bradbury. Great writer, just got too much over my head. I like dealing with him in Cliff Notes more, but give me Shakespeare any day or Poe!) From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:24:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon, artistically Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6497 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Dogspoon, artistically Reply To: [Yahoo! #6486] Dogspoon, artistically Date: 8/10/00 1:24 am (ET) PERFECT!!!! I'm glad you thought so, I almost didn't put it in. I'm rather picky when it comes to my own work. The dementor I just put in didn't please me either but what the heck. You are my kind of catlady. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:25:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:25:00 -0400 Subject: Number of stu... teachers! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6498 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Number of stu... teachers! Date: 8/10/00 1:25 am (ET) Re the 'number of students' debate, I think we should consider the number of teachers at Hogwarts. By my calculations there are only 12, one per topic, and some of those teach subjects that aren't options for the younger students. There's only so much a dozen teachers can do in a day, unless they all use time-turners. If there were many more than 200 students, either the frequency of individual year-classes would be very low or the number of students per class would have to be so large as to suggest splitting them into two or three groups, at least in the first two years. There is no evidence that there are more than two classes per student-year for any topic, so the number of students per class dictates the school population: Almost certainly under 300 and likely to be nearer 200. Now, anyone care to speculate on there being a gaggle of as-yet-unseen teachers? Neil (fast becoming an unterposter) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:26:00 -0400 Subject: Is AngieJ still looking for Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6499 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Is AngieJ still looking for Date: 8/10/00 1:26 am (ET) photoes of the selected actors? Here are two: http://www.magicalharrypotter.com/RickmanHarris.html another link on the site is another castle possibility http://www.magicalharrypotter.com/Inverailort.html From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:36:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:36:00 -0400 Subject: dementor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6500 From: dogspoon Subject: dementor Date: 8/10/00 1:36 am (ET) So, why did the dementors have it out for Harry? By the way, is anybody on Yahoo Messenger? Seems like it would make all this non-Harry chit chat much easier. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:40:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Subject: dementor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6501 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: dementor Reply To: [Yahoo! #6500] dementor Date: 8/10/00 1:40 am (ET) (First, aside, got this message, beware yahoo on the loose again: Network error Unable to request URL from host clubs.yahoo.com:80: tried all of the host's addresses: clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.104.171: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.192: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.104.172: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.190: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.193: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.195: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.194: connect clubs.yahoo.com/216.115.105.191: connect ) Finally connecting, I thought I'd try to answer. SPOILER! o o o In GoF, Voldy talks about the Dementors only being a heartbeat away from joining his cause. If so, than Harry would be one of those they would want to wipe out.... Just a thought. From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:43:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Subject: dementor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6502 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: dementor Reply To: [Yahoo! #6501] Re: dementor Date: 8/10/00 1:43 am (ET) Haven't read it yet but it looks like that heartbeat is Harry's. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 05:54:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:54:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer (getting OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6503 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Butterbeer (getting OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6429] Re: Butterbeer Date: 8/10/00 1:54 am (ET) <<"hot apple cider with melted butter and brown sugar mixed in." Huh? Did you really say melted butter? In apple cider? I'm, er, fascinated. Doesn't it glomm together on the surface? Or do you have to stirr it with a Sirius Special Coffee Stick to create an instant emulsion?>> Hmmm. I haven't tried that special stirer. Actually, the cider only has a little bit of butter (about a tablespoon for 6-8 oz of cider) and about as much brown sugar. It does help to stir it once in a while, just as it helps to stir hot chocolate (to keep the dregs from sinking to the bottom). However, if you drink it while it's still hot, the butter doesn't have time to glomm onto the surface. Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:01:00 -0400 Subject: Reading level Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6504 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Reading level Reply To: [Yahoo! #6455] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/10/00 2:01 am (ET) Re: reading level etc.. <<As a member of the IRA (International Reading Association), I can speak about this.>> I am *so* glad you expanded that acronym, Ebony... <<I've said it once on another HP list, and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face if I have to. Just because a kid can READ it, doesn't mean that the kid is READY for it. 'K? K.>> K! I think there is a difference between books written for 9-12 year olds, and books suitable for 9-12 year olds. The HP series could be defined as being for 'age 9 upwards', since so many adults read the books and some unsuitable elements are starting to creep in. I agree with the consensus, that some element of 'parental guidance' (as a UK cinema classification would describe it) is required for those under 9. Some teen child/literature can be completely crass and therefore has a specific target readership. Looking in the 'teens' section of my local bookshop, I see Harry Potter and the Narnia books alongside the Animorphs and Goosebumps spinoffs. I know which I'd rather read! On the subject of revisiting childhood favourites, many books work on two or more levels. As I child I read the Narnia series and spent hours imagining myself diving into wardrobes, fighting with swords or being drawn into seascape paintings. I think I decided it 'could' happen. As an adult, re-reading the books, I could see the religious allegory and appreciate the stories in quite a different way. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:09:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: The 5th Marauder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6505 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The 5th Marauder Reply To: [Yahoo! #6464] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/10/00 2:09 am (ET) <<disagree on "Neil said". IIRC (that means If I Recall Correctly) Neil *implied*. And isn't he the tricksy sort that would dangle a tempting implication in front of us ... >> Yes, when not speculating, pondering, suggesting or ejaculating, I imply a great deal... I could write a fanfic that would have your eyes out on stalks and probably result in my being burnt at the stake. But, I prefer to tease. Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:13:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:13:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6506 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6471] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 2:13 am (ET) << Dogs are my favorite pets.>> Would that make Padfoot your favorite non-human (at the moment) character? Melanie From dogspoon at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:19:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:19:00 -0400 Subject: Aside....Tests. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6507 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Aside....Tests. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6473] Aside....Tests. Date: 8/10/00 2:19 am (ET) Just ordered the last three audio-series! Saving one for the free gift certificate from BN!) Ever heard of Napster? From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:31:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:31:00 -0400 Subject: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6508 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Reply To: [Yahoo! #6493] Re: Prefect (was: Ron's accomplishments Date: 8/10/00 2:31 am (ET) << so maybe students get owls _after_ year four at the start of the summer to let them know that they have been chosen as prefects.>> I think they do. In POA, Ron's birthday letter to Harry mentions that Percy had just found out the previous week (late July) that he'd been made Head Boy. Though that isn't solid proof, I assumed that prefects were given the news the same way, and around the same time. Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:32:00 -0400 Subject: The twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6509 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: The twins Date: 8/10/00 2:32 am (ET) I've been planning to say something about the twins and Ch 5 all week, and still haven't got my act together. Well, here are a few rambling thoughts in lieu... In the chat room on Sunday, we were talking about 'who might die' and I was proposing Neville or Arthur, mainly because of the likelihood that they would face up to V in some way in future plotlines. However, my theory [not original] on the death that will "crucify" JKR, is that it will be Fred or George. I saw a very interesting documentary recently about twins who had lost their 'other half' and were haunted by that. Some identical twins are so close that they feel and live as a single entity, living together, sometimes working together, finishing each other's sentences, feeling each other's pain. It's not always so - some identical twins strive to be different and react against the assumption that they are, metaphorically, joined at the hip. I see Fred and George as tending towards the first type. They are close enough to be interchangeable, with only slight evidence for any differences in other people's eyes, even at the age of 16. They play Quidditch as a pair and are rarely seen apart from each other. Now, they are planning to set up shop together when they leave school.... If one of them dies, the other would, doubtless, feel like half a person, and I think the tragedy of such an event would make very interesting reading [it's upsetting me just thinking it now]. I also hope that confusion over which twin is which will come into play a bit more in future books. That's not something that's been explored much so far. Perhaps a double date with the Patils would be a bit obvious though. Besides, William K Shakespeare would issue a lawsuit. Neil, being a bit serious for a change From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 06:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:51:00 -0400 Subject: Off-topic/Dogspoon's pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6510 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Off-topic/Dogspoon's pictures Reply To: [Yahoo! #6500] dementor Date: 8/10/00 2:51 am (ET) <<By the way, is anybody on Yahoo Messenger? Seems like it would make all this non-Harry chit chat much easier.>> I can see this is you trying to be diplomatic! <g> People do chat and correspond off-group as well, and there's the chat room, but there are bound to be off-topic exchanges on the message board. Re your sketches: Ironically, I like your Dementor the best so far, and I'm pleased to see Hagrid portrayed as aged around 40. Hmmmm. That corset McGonagall's wearing probably explains the voice Jim Dale gives her. Neil From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 12:54:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: Reading level Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6511 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Reading level Reply To: [Yahoo! #6504] Re: Reading level Date: 8/10/00 8:54 am (ET) JKR said that she did not write the book specifically for a focus group of eight-year-olds or anything like that. She writes them as she feels appropriate. That's probably why most bookstores have the books on display out in the aisles instead of in a particular section! I think it would be very unrealistic to believe that the characters--middle/high school age--wouldn't say things like "Damn" or "Can I see Uranus too, Lavender?" As my sophmore English teacher once said, "If it gets you hot and bothered, you can leave." :):):) ~Kaitlin From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 13:34:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:34:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Cartoons and More ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6512 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Harry Potter Cartoons and More ! Date: 8/10/00 9:34 am (ET) I didn't know that Gore invented Harry Potter ??? Check out a series of editorial cartoons relating to Harry Potter on Slate. Some of them are quite good. http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/harrypotter/main.asp Plus !! More information on the site of the new Harry Potter Film. Including a short list of the cast. http://entertainment.msn.com/news/eonline/0810/hpotter.asp Enjoy! From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 14:59:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: Butterbeer (getting OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6513 From: jferer Subject: Re: Butterbeer (getting OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6503] Re: Butterbeer (getting OT) Date: 8/10/00 10:59 am (ET) I imagined butterbeer as tasting like hot buttered rum without the alcohol. There's a mix they use in bars to make it. If we could get hold of some it might work, but you'd have to do something to counterbalance the absence of the alcohol. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 15:04:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6514 From: jenP_97 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/10/00 11:04 am (ET) You know, I really shouldn't be angry at *you*... specifically all of you that dove into great detail about having crushes on fictional characters and dreaming about them... but I am, and here's why. Last night, I had a dream. Oooh... betcha didn't see that one coming! Anyway, in this dream, I had a crush on someone from the books (I say someone because I think it was Lupin - who I find the most attractive, btw - but I can't say for sure because dreams sort of amalgamate people together and stuff... besides, I'm also kinda stuck on Sirius). Well, for some reason, I end up going to this house along some cliffs... it's an old house on stilts, actually... and I'm looking for well, let's just call him "Remus". I stumble into a bathroom adjacent to a meeting room, and I hear Dumbledore and Snape and some other people inside it - and I sort of hope that "Remus" is inside, too, but then they discover me, tell me that "you aren't exactly supposed to be here - this is a private meeting," and then as I glance around the room and see that he's not there anyway, I get so upset that I run out of the room crying, thinking that I'm stupid for liking him when he doesn't even know I'm alive (boy, now doesn't that sound 13ish?). So I'm standing with my head resting on a bannister outside and I hear footsteps behind me - and I'm sure it's "Remus" coming to ask what's wrong (because of course, he doesn't KNOW I have a crush on him, but he's concerned... you know, nice guy and all - and I know it's him because it's a dream and you just KNOW sometimes what's coming up)... and I'm getting all nervous and anxious to see him, and then *crash*! My cat jumps on my bed and freaks me out so much that I smash my elbow against the night stand and wake my husband up with my yell. Of course, I can't tell him about my dream - not only is it weird telling your husband that you're having dreams about some character you're "in love with" (or in lust, given the descriptions of some of you "ladies" out there), but he'd probably laugh because it wasn't even a real person. I suppose JKR would think it was funny that she's made this happen to us. Jen P.S. On a purely Hermione-y side note for Neil: Since W.K. Shakespeare died so many years ago, wouldn't it be his *estate* that would sue J.K. Rowling for trademark infringement? Has his estate continued to apply for these trademarks? And is it valid, given the fact that (according to the stuffing woman) J.K. Rowling is actually a U.S. resident? ;) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 15:17:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:17:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6515 From: brooksindy Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/10/00 11:17 am (ET) http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/potter000810.html " A British computer games firm, Electronic Arts, said today it had won the worldwide rights to develop games based on the wildly popular Harry Potter series of children's books. " The company.... said it had also secured the rights to develop and publish Harry Potter games for the Internet..... " 'We are extremely excited to become part of the Harry Potter phenomenon by bringing our own brand of interactive magic to this fantastic series,' Don Mattrick, president of Electronic Arts' studios said in a statement." More details are in the story, which I did not quote in full above, for copyright reasons. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 15:39:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6516 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #6515] Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/10/00 11:39 am (ET) ARRGGHH!!! A Harry Potter Computer game???? I'm not totally sure on that one... What will you have to do - run around Hogwarts collecting Broomsticks, while trying not to run into Dementors (Pac-Man Style?). I think the only way it would work would be for it to be a "Mystery" game, like the Discworld games, for those that know what I'm talking about - or almost like a childrens version of Resident Evil, but obviously without the large amounts of gratuitous violence.... just a few thoughts.... From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 16:21:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:21:00 -0400 Subject: on vacation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6517 From: joywitch999 Subject: on vacation Date: 8/10/00 12:21 pm (ET) Well, I am off to my Cape Cod vacation for 10 days - packed the PoA tapes for the car ride, and the Hogwarts t-shirts for over the bathing suit. I shudder to think how many thousands of message I will have to read when I get back. I hope you all have a good Chapter 6 / Arthur Weasley discussion next week. I really shouldnt do this, but I just want to mention a thought about Mr. Weasley: Does anyone else get the feeling that Arthur Weasley will play a very, very important role in what is looking to be a very major good vs. evil showdown in Book 7? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: Does anyone else get the feeling that Ar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6518 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Does anyone else get the feeling that Ar Reply To: [Yahoo! #6517] on vacation Date: 8/10/00 1:06 pm (ET) <<Does anyone else get the feeling that Arthur Weasley will play a very, very important role in what is looking to be a very major good vs. evil showdown in Book 7?>> OH YES! And here I thought it just was me. I wouldn't be surprised if Fudge's job is ahem, revamped by the time the whole thing is done, and goes to another more dedicated individual with a rather large family. Grins. Seriously, I see something progressing between the Malfoys and the Weasleys. Arthur has been after Lucius for awhile now, so the "feud" is a long standing one from before SS. Perhaps now, after he hears about Harry's story of GoF and the members of the DE who were named he'll look further into how to get them off the streets (Malfoys). Now there's an idea. How would Draco look if his pureblood father was arrested? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Cartoons and More ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6519 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry Potter Cartoons and More ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6512] Harry Potter Cartoons and More ! Date: 8/10/00 1:32 pm (ET) I applaud! Thank you! See, there are alot more of us, or the majority of those comics wouldn't be positive (although I did like the one of the middle-east summit and the robes and such, if it worked for Harry!). The principle that seemed to apply to many was the shutting off of the tv sets, the computers, and the video games to read a huge book (and seriously, GoF IS HUGE!). Parents I know are enthralled. I have lent me SS out to a family, and it's making its way through it, from adult to child, and within the week I will switch, so I can read SS again myself, lol! I have never seen any book be this big in the public response. It is truly amazing... JKR you have outdone us all From ltumc at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:49:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: visual vs literary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6520 From: ltumc Subject: Re: visual vs literary Reply To: [Yahoo! #6467] Re: visual vs literary Date: 8/10/00 1:49 pm (ET) I definately agree that just because someone can read something doesn't mean they're ready for it. Last year in high school Freshman English we read the Iliad. I attend a college prep school, and so we're supposedly "smarter" than anyone else. Believe me, it's really untrue. But it means that our teachers expect us to perform at a college level. While we could read the book, and understood the words, the story was beyond everyone. Every class that read the book failed every test because we found it incredibly boring and we couldn't fully understand the story. Yet my father read it recently, and thouroughly enjoyed it. So though children may be fully capable of reading the books, it is very easy for them to not be ready for them. - Lisa - From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: Auctions and Audio tapes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6521 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Auctions and Audio tapes... Date: 8/10/00 1:49 pm (ET) I went searching in yahoo for cheaper versions, and found one that I wish I could have bid on (BN has shipped mine already for CoS! GRRRRR) Here's the link: http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/35953422 and check out that low price!!!! WOW~ From medevam at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 17:52:00 2000 From: medevam at yahoo.com (MedevaM) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6522 From: MedevaM Subject: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 1:52 pm (ET) I'll start with my two statements: 1. Have you all noticed the excellent covers on these books? Every illustration is significant! (Although I HAVE found some errors: On GoF's cover, Harry's wand is too long, etc.) Those who design the covers should be commended. 2. This really isn't giving anything away, but GoF certainly ends on a bit of a dark note. I think that Harry's adventures from now on are probably going to be more serious, and/or possibly more mature. As I suppose my question contains a bit of a spoiler, I'll follow the procedure. :) * * * * * S C R O L L * D O W N * * * * * Okay. My sincerest apologies if this has been discussed before. My question concerns the revelation that Draco's cronies, Crabbe and Goyle, are Death Eaters. We learned that whenever Voldemort touches a Death Eater's Dark Mark, all Death Eaters must Apparate to him. I believe that both Crabbe and Goyle are Hogwarts Fourth Years, like Harry and the rest, and have not yet learned Apparition. (Even if they had, I'm not sure that Crabbe and Goyle could handle it, seeing as they're not bright enough even to be dimwitted.) How, therefore could they Apparate to Lord V.? Any suggestions? From ltumc at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 18:08:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6523 From: ltumc Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6522] GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 2:08 pm (ET) >Have you all noticed the excellent covers on >these books? Every illustration is significant! Yes, I love to look at the covers and stuff. They're so intricate! Our family's having a debate on who the girl on the cover of GoF is. The one to the left of Harry. My brother thinks it is Hermione, but I'm more inclined to think it's Fleur. What do you all think? >This really isn't giving anything away, but GoF >certainly ends on a bit of a dark note. I think >that Harry's adventures from now on are probably >going to be more serious, and/or possibly more >mature. I agree. It makes sense because he's getting older, so he should be able to deal with more. >My question concerns the revelation that Draco's >cronies, Crabbe and Goyle, are Death Eaters. We >learned that whenever Voldemort touches a Death >Eater's Dark Mark, all Death Eaters must >Apparate to him. I believe that both Crabbe and >Goyle are Hogwarts Fourth Years, like Harry and >the rest, and have not yet learned Apparition. Aren't Crabb and Goyle their last names? Because if so, then couldn't the DE's be their fathers rather than the actual Hogwarts students? While it's possible that they could have illegally learned Apparation, I doubt that they would have been clever enough to do it unless their classroom behavior is all an act. Also, to be DE's they would have to have been much older than the other Hogwarts 4th years. Voldemort met his "demise" when all the 4th years were newborns, and it's not likely that babies would've received the Dark Mark. - Lisa - From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 18:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:18:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6524 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6522] GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 2:18 pm (ET) Goyle and Crabbe mentioned in this text, I believe are the fathers, and not the children in their fourth year. Does this help? From coachjoe at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 18:38:00 2000 From: coachjoe at yahoo.com (coachjoe) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: WWF's "Big Show" should play Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6525 From: coachjoe Subject: WWF's "Big Show" should play Hagrid Date: 8/10/00 2:38 pm (ET) "The Big Show" is over 7 feet tall and over 500 pounds. The perfect fit to play the half giant-half human HAGRID. This guy is an accomplished actor. He's been in "the Waterboy" and every week he's acting on WWF's wrestling shows. He'd be more impressive than Robbie Coltrane. Any thoughts? From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6526 From: Danemead Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6523] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 3:09 pm (ET) >>>>Our family's having a debate on who the girl on the cover of GoF is. The one to the left of Harry. My brother thinks it is Hermione, but I'm more inclined to think it's Fleur. What do you all think?<<<<< The three people behind Harry on the USA cover are the other three Triwizard Champions: Viktor Krum, Cedric Diggory, and Fleur Delacour. That thing on the back cover with the long antennae -- I believe that is what the veela look like when they got angry and attacked the leprechauns at the Quidditch World Cup. I'm not sure if that spiky thing in front of Harry is a blast-ended skrewt, or the tail of the Horntailed Dragon Harry had to get past. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:11:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6527 From: sigma94 Subject: RE: Number of Students (Again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6426] RE: Number of Students (Again) Date: 8/10/00 3:11 pm (ET) <<<Perhaps the reason why there are hundreds of carriages is because some of them are used to transport the student's trunks - remember they are told to leave their baggage on the train, so the trunks must be transported separately>>> VERY GOOD CATCH!! I think that's a perfectly reasonable theory From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:29:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:29:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6528 From: davehoz Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6523] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 3:29 pm (ET) >Yes, I love to look at the covers and stuff. They're so intricate! Our >family's having a debate on who the girl on the cover of GoF is. I think the people on the cover are obviously the other three champions. Fleur and Krum over Harry's right shoulder and Cedric over his left. (Though I imagine Cedric being much more good-looking -- Really Leonardo DeCaprio.) >My brother thinks it is Hermione... Hermione's hair is brown and bushy, not straight and blonde. >I agree. It makes sense because he's getting older, so he should be able to >deal with more. I hope the books don't become *too* heavy-handed though... I hope they will still have a comic side... >Aren't Crabb and Goyle their last names? Because if so, then couldn't the >DE's be their fathers rather than the actual Hogwarts students? I think they *are* the fathers (I gather women aren't allowed to be DE's), though they don't seem bright enough to apparate either... From sigma94 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:32:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6529 From: sigma94 Subject: Race in HP Date: 8/10/00 3:32 pm (ET) I am very happy that HP has been racially diverse. The introduction of Cho Chang and I am assuming that the Patil twins are of Middle Eastern descent. I am hoping that more races are introduced. Have any Spanish or black characters been introduced that I missed? I hope that the diversity continues!! From medevam at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:35:00 2000 From: medevam at yahoo.com (MedevaM) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6530 From: MedevaM Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6528] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 3:35 pm (ET) *slaps herself on the forehead* Thanks for the suggestion about Crabbe & Goyle being the fathers. That certainly makes more sense. I DO believe that women can be Death Eaters. Remember the husband/wife team Harry saw at trial? Another cover question: what is the bat's wing on the back cover for? (At least, I ASSUME it's a bat's wing...) The girl on the cover is Fleur, for reasons stated earilier. The tail on the front cover is a dragon Harry had to face. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:54:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:54:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6531 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6526] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 3:54 pm (ET) <<That thing on the back cover with the long antennae -- I believe that is what the veela look like when they got angry and attacked the leprechauns at the Quidditch World Cup. I'm not sure if that spiky thing in front of Harry is a blast-ended skrewt, or the tail of the Horntailed Dragon Harry had to get past. >> I actually took the antennae creature to be a blast-ended skrewt, and the spiky thing as the Hungarian Horntail dragon. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 19:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: BadGuys(wsGoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6532 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: BadGuys(wsGoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6528] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 3:57 pm (ET) >>Aren't Crabb and Goyle their last names? Because if so, then couldn't the DE's be their fathers rather than the actual Hogwarts students? > I think they *are* the fathers In GoF, we learn that Crabbe's and Goyle's father are in the same relationship to Lucius that Crabbe and Goyle are to Draco. There is also a "Nott" in the DE circle, and there was a "Nott" being Sorted in SS. I'm jumping to the conclusion that the two Notts are father and son.offspring, Is it a bit unusual than all these sons were born the same year? However, that allows me to fantasize the Lucius hired a tutor or tutor and set up a mini-primary-school of Dark Arts in his home for his son and his friends' sons: Crabbe, Goyle, and Nott. While we're at it, MacNair in the DE circle is MacNair the executioner assigned to off Buckbeak. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 20:12:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6533 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6529] Race in HP Date: 8/10/00 4:12 pm (ET) > The introduction of Cho Chang and I am assuming that the Patil twins are of Middle Eastern descent. Patil is a South Asian name (I think that's what you meant) and the parents are likely to be Hindus, or at least not Muslims, as Parvati and Padma both are names of Hindu goddesses. > I am hoping that more races are introduced. Have any Spanish or black characters been introduced that I missed? I guess there will have to be a FAQ on racial diversity in HP. In Book 1, we were told that Dean Thomas is "a Black boy even taller than Ron" (and a Muggle-born fan of West Ham Muggle soccer football team) and that Lee Jordan has dreadlocks. Book 4 specified that Lee Jordan is black and Gryffindor Chaser Angelina Johnson is black. They had been in three books before their skin color was mentioned. Seamus Finnigan is a token Irish and a "Zabini, Blaise" was Sorted into Slytherin in Book 1, a token Italian-Brit. I haven't noticed any Hispanic surnames, which may be because Latinos are scarcer in UK than in US. However, US news keeps talking about Latinos named Bill Richardson (Secretary of Energy) and George P. Bush (George W's nephew), so who's to say that Terry Boot and Mandy Brocklehurst are Latino/a? The lack I noticed is of students with Muslim names. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 20:44:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: BadGuys/GoodGuys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6534 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: BadGuys/GoodGuys Reply To: [Yahoo! #6532] Re: BadGuys(wsGoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 4:44 pm (ET) <<There is also a "Nott" in the DE circle, and there was a "Nott" being Sorted in SS>> Along the same lines (or opposite, really) the Bones were killed by Voldemort(mentioned by Hagrid, I think, in Book 1), and there was a Bones (Susan, if I remember correctly) being sorted in Book 1. I think she was sorted into Ravenclaw. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 20:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: BadGuys/GoodGuys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6535 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: BadGuys/GoodGuys Reply To: [Yahoo! #6534] Re: BadGuys/GoodGuys Date: 8/10/00 4:49 pm (ET) > there was a Bones (Susan, if I remember correctly) being sorted in Book 1. I think she was sorted into Ravenclaw. Hufflepuff. There was a 'Moon" sorted right before Nott, and I hope the Moons are good guys because I like the name, might want to join the family. From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 21:19:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:19:00 -0400 Subject: Some like it hot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6536 From: mikesusangray Subject: Some like it hot Reply To: [Yahoo! #6505] Re: The 5th Marauder Date: 8/10/00 5:19 pm (ET) "I could write a fanfic that would have your eyes out on stalks and probably result in my being burnt at the stake." A little guy-to-guy advice: Burn Baby, Burn! It is, IMNSHO, about time someone wrote a fanfic with a little spice. I'm board of all the normal stuff. Hermion chases Harry, Ron chases Hermion, Harry and Ron chase each other, an eldery but devastatingly potent Sirius chases anybody who'll stand still long enough for him to poke his wand at. I'm even board of those hints about the interracial lusts of giants taking forms that once frightened me almost as badly as the things some people in this club eat. Blah, blah, blah. It all gets stale after a while. (Well, excepting some of the edibles mentioned ... they were past stale to begin with.) But there's hope: to my knowledge, no one has ever expanded upon the scorching tale of ABERFORTH AND THE INAPPROPRIATE GOAT CHARMS. Think about it--was there ever a fanfic more worthy of a valiant stand upon smoldering wood? It's a chance, aye a duty, even a destiny! You won't fail us will you? Mike (Who's wondering whether Aberforth at Yahoo.com is already taken.) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 21:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 1. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6537 From: brooksindy Subject: Motivations, Pt 1. Date: 8/10/00 5:44 pm (ET) Since we have a couple of new members who noted they haven't read GoF yet, and this is clearly spoiler for them - I'm going to continue spoiler space. Those who are as yet not caught up, be advised there are deep GoF spoilers below, so you may want to skip this message. S P O I L E R S .. B E L O W ! Going back and re-reading after finishing later books is interesting in this series, just as with any other, because if the series was constructed with a coherent plan, you can find foreshadowings - and unrecognized implications - in the earlier books that you did not recognize on first reading. (Or of course, the plan may not be that coherent, and we are discovering things where JKR looked at some of the earlier throwaway events and wrote the new books in ways to *make* those events into foreshadowings.) Case in point: Snape. Remember how anxious he was to catch Sirius at the end of Book III? The revelation in GoF that Snape was a Death Eater who came back to the good side puts a whole new motivation there. By catching Sirius, whom everybody thought had been V's spy in the good camp, Snape would have not just gotten recognition for catching a criminal - Order of Merlin Second Class or whatever - it would have been a *major* point in his favor in his legal rehabilitation and acceptance by the general wizarding public! Because, apparently, it was known, like most of the others who were tried in Wizards' Council, that he had been a DE. This might be why he works at Hogwarts, BTW - lingering suspicion, and his own grating personality, may mean it is only Dumbledore who is willing to give him a chance. Also, although we have seen notes here on the list that suggest it is only students who say that Snape wants the DADA position, I noted in GoF last night that JKR in her narrator's voice says "It was common knowledge that Snape wanted....". Thus it is not just student hearsay, although that might be general JKR deft misleading. More to follow. From hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:00:00 2000 From: hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com (hermione_granger78) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Something that I have been wondering Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6538 From: hermione_granger78 Subject: Something that I have been wondering Date: 8/10/00 6:00 pm (ET) IF YOU HAVENT FINISHED THE FORTH BOOK DONT READ ANY FURTHER IN THIS MESSAGE......... ok in the 4th book at the end when Harry and Lord Voldemort are locked with their wands and all of Lord Voldemorts spells are being undone... arent they supposed to go from the most recent back? If so why then does Harrys FATHER appear before Harrys MOTHER? Because Harrys Father was killed FIRST... and then his mother was killed. So shouldnt it be the other way around? Did anyone else notice this? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6539 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6537] Motivations, Pt 1. Date: 8/10/00 6:08 pm (ET) This followup also contains GoF spoilers, so the new members not yet caught up on reading may want to skip this. Space Space Space Space Space Space Space Snape Space Space Space My thought on Snape's desire to catch Sirius not just being personal animosity, but also part of a desire to rehabilitate his reputation after being a DE, made me think of a possible different motivation for Snape's attitude toward Harry as well. - What would Snape have done if Harry had been put in Slytherin? Would he have accepted Harry more? I wonder if some of Snape's attitude may just be favoritism toward his own house. What must he think of Malfoy, Crabb & Goyle, too, knowing of their parents? (Plus, what must those parents think of their kids being under Snape, if they know he was the spy in *their* midst?) There is a clear potential for a conflict going on in Slytherin that we don't know about. Now maybe I am too nice a guy, but in my reading of literature I do not see too much of male characters resenting a child of their unrequited, deceased love, just because the rival they lost to, was the father. This sometimes happens, but more often, the adult male winds up having affection for the child, because child is all that is left of the dead mother. Now JKR does have a talent for turning things on their heads, but.... consider this scenario. What if Snape was not just the spy in Lord V's camp, but was in fact considering moving against him - maybe working on a potion that would confer (even temporary) immunity to the A.K. curse, just to toss out an idea - and was lining up plans for the challenge to Lord V., - but before Snape was ready to do so, Lord V. went after Harry & the Potters, and was defeated, so Snape never had his chance. After all, what a hero he would have been if he had defeated V from within the ranks, turned over the other DE's, said - "I believed him at first but I came to see that he was wrong, there is not just power, there really is good and evil and Lord V. was evil". But Harry, albeit innocently, by surviving and making V. discorporate, foiled Snape's plan for his spectacular rehabilitation and heroism. Boy, that would be frustrating! That could explain a lot of Snape's attitude and comments. Alternately & contradictorily. Maybe the general speculation is right, and Snape did have a thing for Lily, but lost out. Everything in the books so far does seem to indicate that for whatever reason (& V says this himself) V. was after *Harry* when he attacked, rather than to kill prominent enemies James & Lily. That means that Lily died *because of Harry*. Under that circumstance Snape might indeed resent Harry even though he was the child of someone Snape cared for, sort of like an opposite of my earlier case, the occasional fathers who grow to resent their children who survived when their mothers died in childbirth. What think ye all? I already ran this by Vicki offline, and she has a few comments/critiques of this to add later. She pointed out that certainly Snape seems to have more in for Harry than *just* house rivalry, and his treatment of Hermione in GoF was abominable & inexcusable. With which I agree. We may be thinking, based on GoF, that Snape has a hidden good side, but he may just be a thoroughly unpleasant guy who just happens to be opposed to the same great evil we are - as Churchill said when Hitler attacked Russian and Churchill was criticized for saying that they must now be allies, "If Hitler were to invade Hell I would at least have a kind word to say about Satan in the House of Commons". I suspect that in the end the best we can say for Snape is that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now, any way)". From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: Newbies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6540 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Newbies Date: 8/10/00 6:09 pm (ET) Hi: Welcome to some new members! We are working on creating a FAQs section that will address commonly-asked questions (such as why did James Potter come out of the wand first if it's supposed to be reverse order). This is in the works. In the meantime, you can search the prior messages by keyword by going here (thanks to Smitster for creating this database): http://members.xoom.com/hpfg/ >From there, you can read what has already been said on this topic. Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:11:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:11:00 -0400 Subject: Something that I have been wondering Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6541 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Something that I have been wondering Reply To: [Yahoo! #6538] Something that I have been wondering Date: 8/10/00 6:11 pm (ET) >Did anyone else notice this? Boy did a lot of people notice this - there is even a story on CNN's web site about it, and that many fans are wondering if JKR goofed, or if Lord V is lying, Harry's memory is lying (or manipulated by Lord V), and that this is a case JKR has some incredible revelation that "What We Thought" was "Not At All The Way Things Really Are" up her sleeve. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:22:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:22:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6542 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6526] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 6:22 pm (ET) >>I'm not sure if that spiky thing in front of Harry is a blast-ended skrewt, or the tail of the Horntailed Dragon Harry had to get past. << I think the spiked object is definitely the tail of the dragon. I believe the long curly things in the maze on the folded over section of the cover are the blast ended screwts ! They looked like scorpions without heads and, given the maze walls as perspective, they are quite large as the book implied they would be. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:29:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6543 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6530] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 6:29 pm (ET) >>Another cover question: what is the bat's wing on the back cover for? (At least, I ASSUME it's a bat's wing...)<< I think the "bat's wing" is really the wing of the dragon that Harry had to get past. The spiked object is the tail of the dragon. >>I DO believe that women can be Death Eaters. Remember the husband/wife team Harry saw at trial? << That makes me think of the old Dr. Pepper commercial theme song: " I'm an Eater. She's an eater. He's an eater. Wouldn't you like to be an Eater too! Death Eaters, Be a Death Eater !" I'm waiting for Book Seven when Harry marches into the Death Eaters camp like Rambo with guns drawn. He'll be kickin' arse and takin' names! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:40:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: FAQ & old msgs, was Newbies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6544 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: FAQ & old msgs, was Newbies Reply To: [Yahoo! #6540] Newbies Date: 8/10/00 6:40 pm (ET) Can someone tell me whether, in the older messages, anyone had posted a summary of the several page article (cover story) about Rowling that was in the May-June 2000 _Books_ magazine? There were several interesting biographical things about her in that, including the inspiration for the Dementors. TIA, - Brooks From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 22:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6545 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6539] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 6:42 pm (ET) It's also possible that Snape is just one of those petty people that resent anyone who has fame, talent, money, or whatever. I've known all too many people who hate certain celebrities ONLY because they famous (or possibly more famous than one's own personal idolized celeb). Snape seems to have personal enmity against Harry himself, because he is constantly persecuting Harry in class, as well as attempting to cut him down or thwart him in every other aspect of his life at Hogwarts. He resents the special treatment Harry gets as the hero who saved the wizard world from Voldemort. We may not find out his true motivation until Book 7 (three agonizing years from now!). From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 23:06:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:06:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects & Rules Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6546 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Prefects & Rules Date: 8/10/00 7:06 pm (ET) Hi: In reference to whether Hermione is likely to be made a prefect or not, Catlady observed: <<<Remember whose invisibility cloak it is! JAMES had no problem wandering around in the invisibility cloak breaking rules with his friends, and he must have been a prefect considering that he became Head Boy.>>>> Good point! My only counter might be that it seems (from what we know) that the rule-breaking of the Trio (H, H & R) is more conspicuous, visible, notorious, well-known . . . than any of the Marauders' rule-breaking. Dumbledore (says) he didn't know about the 3 unregistered animagi. He *told* Harry that James used the invisibility cloak *mainly* for stealing food from the kitchens. Now, granted, I'm not so sure that I believe Dumbledore (seemingly all-knowing as he is) knew nothing about the other uses to which that invisibility cloak was put. But, be that as it may, it does seem that the Marauders' were less conspicuous rule-breakers than the Trio. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 23:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dreams Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6547 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Harry Potter Dreams Date: 8/10/00 7:13 pm (ET) Hi: Jen -- I loved your relation of your dream from last night (especially the part where you realized that your husband would think you quite mad if you admitted you'd been having a sex dream about a fictional character)! <vbg> I have not yet had any Freudian dreams about any of the HP characters that I remember (although I may soon have some if we keeping talking about Sirius being naked). But, what I have done is wake up thinking about HP-related things (like "Ooh, I need to respond to that post from Joywitch" or "I know what the perfect argument against the Harry/Ginny pairing is!"). I need a life. There. I said it so Dogspoon doesn't have to. <g> Just joking Dogspoon. Love your illustrations btw. Penny From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 23:46:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6548 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6514] Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/10/00 7:46 pm (ET) Poor girl.....I just had to respond to this one! You really had a rough time of it! I know what you mean about the husband thing, I'll sometimes catch myself start to talk to him about it, but I'm afraid he'll recognize that wistful look in my eye, and tell me I'm nuts! From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Thu Aug 10 23:46:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: Gred and Forge Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6549 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Gred and Forge Reply To: [Yahoo! #6385] Gred and Forge Date: 8/10/00 7:46 pm (ET) Aren't you glad it wasn't one of them that died, as a number of people thought would be the case round about the end of June! Nikki From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:00:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:00:00 -0400 Subject: Busting the deatheaters!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6550 From: golden_faile Subject: Busting the deatheaters!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6518] Does anyone else get the feeling that Ar Date: 8/10/00 8:00 pm (ET) You know......I was just so sure that once Harry named the deatheaters present at Voldy's little rondezvous, that there would be something done about it! Fudge stuck his head in the sand, and didn't believe him! I guess like Gypsycaine said:"Arthur has been after Lucius for awhile now,.....Perhaps now,after he hears Harry's story of the GOF and the members of the DE who were named he'll look further into how to get them off the streets(Malfoys)." I wholeheartedly agree! I would love to see the Malfoy's get what they deserve,and Draco be the one that's hurt and embarrassed for a change. I was so disappointed that nothing was done about them, but I guess it would be just too much to put into one book, and a little predictable,so....I must wait. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6551 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6543] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 8:05 pm (ET) Where did the name come from? Come on, who would want to be called a "Death Eater"? At least Storm Trooper makes sense, you know? But Death Eater, you don't "eat death?" From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:06:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:06:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6552 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6522] GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 8:06 pm (ET) I don't think it was Crabbe and Goyle the students, Maybe their fathers? that is what I always assumed, they were very young when he disappeared. There was no way for them to be faithful to him seeing as they were just babies.If that was the case wouldn't Draco have been there too? From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:08:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:08:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6553 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6552] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 8:08 pm (ET) That was supposed to be I always assumed it was their parents. Sorry, I read it before posting and still did not catch it! From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:17:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6554 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6529] Race in HP Date: 8/10/00 8:17 pm (ET) "Have any Spanish or Black characters been introduced that I missed?" I believe Angelina on the quidditch team,and Fred's date to the yule ball is black. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:20:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:20:00 -0400 Subject: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6555 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Reply To: [Yahoo! #6518] Does anyone else get the feeling that Ar Date: 8/10/00 8:20 pm (ET) > the DE who were named he'll look further into how to get them off the streets (Malfoys). Now there's an idea. How would Draco look if his pureblood father was arrested? Draco would be angry and outraged that the Muggle-lovers at MOG (Muggle Occupation Goverment) were persecuting his father/parents. Far from being embarrassed, he would boast that his father/parents were heroic Prisoners of War being loyal to V no matter how MOG tried to "turn" them. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:22:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6556 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Dogspoon Reply To: [Yahoo! #6547] Harry Potter Dreams Date: 8/10/00 8:22 pm (ET) Thanks for the idea! Got them downloading now! :) Dee From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:24:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:24:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6557 From: jferer Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6554] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/10/00 8:24 pm (ET) Dean Thomas is black for sure, he's described as such, and maybe Lee Jordan (but I'm not sure about that one). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:30:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:30:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6558 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Ok, another question about DE's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6551] Ok, another question about DE's Date: 8/10/00 8:30 pm (ET) > Where did the name come from? Come on, who would want to be called a "Death Eater"? (snip)you don't "eat death?" I imagine that V attracted some of his followers by offering them a chance at immortality (using his own loathsome achievement of immortality as evidence that it is possible), which could be construed as "eating death" in the sense of "Death eats all mortals -- but not me! I eat Death!" I further imagine that all the killing they did was not only eliminating opposition, not only DEs taking the opportunity to get vengeance on disliked people, not only DEs having sick cruel fun, not only 'propaganda of the deed', but maybe they could or believed they could use the life-force or magic power of the people they killed to lengthen their own lives (sort of like classic vampires) or increase their own magic power. In that case, they would be eating the deaths of their victims (sort of like being a carnivore). From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:45:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:45:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6559 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6545] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 8:45 pm (ET) I'm convinced were going to find out that Snape is a lot deeper than many of us give him credit for. I can see him as a credible double agent, and we won't know which side he is really on until Book 7. (And maybe not even then!) The consensus is building that he has become one of the good guys, and that in itself is enough to make me suspicious of him. The expected never seems to occur in the Harry Potter universe! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:52:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:52:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks for the Pics, Catlady! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6560 From: selah_1977 Subject: Thanks for the Pics, Catlady! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6499] Is AngieJ still looking for Date: 8/10/00 8:52 pm (ET) YES!!! Alan Rickman will make a perfect Snape. I adored his sniveling Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood. The pick for Dumbly isn't my idea of him, but I guess I was looking for someone a bit more Father Christmas-ish. Beaming at the casting picks, Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:57:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:57:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6561 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6506] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 8:57 pm (ET) << Dogs are my favorite pets.>> Would that make Padfoot your favorite non-human (at the moment) character? That's part of the appeal! Two for the price of one! During my commute today, I decided that even if I could, I don't think I'd want to be an Animagus. Any wanna-be Animagi out there? If so, what animal? Ebony AKA AngieJ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 00:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:58:00 -0400 Subject: FAQs & Old Messages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6562 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: FAQs & Old Messages Date: 8/10/00 8:58 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Can someone tell me whether, in the older messages, anyone had posted a summary of the several page article (cover story) about Rowling that was in the May-June 2000 _Books_ magazine? There were several interesting biographical things about her in that, including the inspiration for the Dementors.>>> That's a great article! I don't think anyone summarized it though. I tried to check for sure by searching our archives: http://members.xoom.com/hpfg/ But, now I can't open the updated files. Smitster??? I could open it on Sunday. Weird. Penny From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:04:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6563 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/10/00 9:04 pm (ET) I am a huge Harry Potter fan but must confess that I was sort of disappointed with GoF. Does anyone else feel this way? I worry that JKR is being pressured to write the books too fast now and they're not being edited carefully, either by herself or by her UK/US editors. I mean, did the book really need to be 700+ pages long, just so Harry could face Voldemort in a duel? I thought there were interesting plot elements that were introduced but never developed: the whole thing with SPEW, for example, and the international exchange among schools (we only met two foreign students and neither of them was really fleshed out.) The Triwizard Tournament bits were compelling but they didn't really amount to much more than bits. In each of the previous volumes, Harry has learned something important about his past which is linked to his destiny. What did he learn in GoF? --Harriet From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:06:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:06:00 -0400 Subject: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6564 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Reply To: [Yahoo! #6555] Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Date: 8/10/00 9:06 pm (ET) >>>>Draco would be angry and outraged that the Muggle-lovers at MOG (Muggle Occupation Goverment) were persecuting his father/parents. Far from being embarrassed, he would boast that his father/parents were heroic Prisoners of War being loyal to V no matter how MOG tried to "turn" them.<<<< Don't forget Draco taunting Harry on the train home at the end of GoF. Even though Harry had defeated Voldemort and escaped the curses of about 30 Death Eaters at the same time, Draco was still telling Harry he had picked the losing side. Draco has absolutely no discretion at all. He's attempting some misplaced bravado there, and of course he gets knocked down for it. I had the feeling in Book 2 that Lucius Malfoy wasn't highly impressed with his son's abilities either, judging from the remarks he made to Draco (overheard by Harry) when they were in Knockturn Alley. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:13:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6565 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #6516] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/10/00 9:13 pm (ET) By: arawa_99 Date: 8/10/00 11:39 am <<<<<ARRGGHH!!! A Harry Potter Computer game???? YES! As long as there is a realistic Quidditch game included, I'm all for it. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:17:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6566 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6561] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 9:17 pm (ET) Note: there is some minor HP4 spoilage in here. I really like a number of the non humans, particularly Hedwig, the flying Ford Anglia, the sorting hat and Fawkes. Hard to pick a favorite. Its interesting to me that Fawkes' part in the books seems to increase. Now in four we learn that Voldy's and Harry's wand feathers came from Fawkes. Fawkes comes and flies to Harry at least once in IV when he is feeling really bad. I have a fear that Dumbledore won't make it to the end of book 7, and have been wondering if Fawkes will choose Harry as his next human. Clearly the phoenix chooses the human rather than the reverse, and he already seems quite attached to Harry. Of course, Hedwig might not care for Harry to adopt another bird, but perhaps Phoenixes are special and she will forgive him if it happens. T^his just occurred to me. May be old news, but I'll bet that Dumbledore's wand has a tailfeather from Fawkes in it. Which would make it a brother to Voldy's and Harry's. If true, could be significant in the future. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:25:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:25:00 -0400 Subject: HP hits Jeopardy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6567 From: vjmerri Subject: HP hits Jeopardy Reply To: [Yahoo! #6566] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 9:25 pm (ET) No one else seems to have posted on this yet. SO, Harry POtter was the final jeopardy question tonight. They are doing the college tournament and had the quarter finals. The three students today didn't seem exceptional knowledgable to me. As a group they missed a number of questions that I thought were quite obvious, BUT The category was "fictional characters." rather a broad one. The final jeopardy answer was some thing "this student's school's motto is 'draco...' or 'Never tickle a sleeping dragon'. [I forget the exact motto and translation.] The answer, of course, is Harry Potter. NO ONE GOT IT. Three people and no one got it. I was very surprised. Then Alec Trebek displayed his ignorance (or maybe he was being nice to the players) and said "well, maybe you're too old to be interested in it." Ha. Too old. But they didn't seem to be all that terrific on older literature or on history, as one student missed an obvious answer referring to "a conneticut yankee in king arthurs court" in the Mark Twain category, and that has to be one of his most famous works. Oh, well, The whole point is that Harry Potter not only made jeopardy, but Final Jeopardy. Vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:27:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:27:00 -0400 Subject: WannabeAnimagi(wasMy favorite non-hum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6568 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re:WannabeAnimagi(wasMy favorite non-hum Reply To: [Yahoo! #6561] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 9:27 pm (ET) > Any wanna-be Animagi out there? If so, what animal? Me, me! I don't know that I'd ever do the work and face the danger to actually become an Animagus, especially as one doesn't get to choose the animal, but I'd love to be able to turn into.... .... big surprise! A cat! Altho' it's hard to decide whether it would be better to be a Felis domesticus, a good form for being unobtrusive, hiding out, and for spying, as well as communing with the full-timers, but not all that great for fighting against humans or travelling long distances, or to be a cougar, panther, or white tiger (listed in order of increasing good at the good things and increasing bad at the bad things), excellent for combat, good at covering a lot of distance in one night, not good at being unobtrusive in built-up areas, but the right size for experimenting in inter-species sex, or at least cuddling, with people in wolf, big dog, and human form. Ah, the real me, not being a character in a novel, has a nice soft life with no need for combat or spying or secret travelling or hiding from Gestapo, and no friends who shape-shift, so obviously Felis domesticus is my choice. Fluffy grey cat (the color called 'blue' as in Russian Blue) with white nose and toes. The character in the novel might find raccoon a useful form. Raccoons are well-adapted to urban life and therefore already found in many American cities. They're not good at long distance travelling, but they have cute little hands that can very effectively dis-assemble the mechanical drain stopper in the bath tub: when I was a kid, one came in through our cat door (cat flap to Brits) and did so. He didn't re-assemble it, but a raccoon occupied by a human mind could be like the gadget-meister character on the old Mission Impossible TV show, right? *And* use a wand? Btw, when we put the drain stopper mechanism together, except there were some parts left over, it worked better than it ever had before! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:32:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes and Wands (was favorite nonhuman) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6569 From: selah_1977 Subject: Fawkes and Wands (was favorite nonhuman) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6566] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 9:32 pm (ET) "T^his just occurred to me. May be old news, but I'll bet that Dumbledore's wand has a tailfeather from Fawkes in it. Which would make it a brother to Voldy's and Harry's. If true, could be significant in the future." ==Vicki Actually, it's stated/implied in the books by Ollivander that Fawkes only gave two tail feathers--one to Voldemort, the other to Harry. I'll talk about this more during my week in October, but I have this detailed classification theory that I'm working on. GoF made me take a look at wands. They seem to select the wizard rather than vice versa. I'm thinking that there is a specific reason for phoenix feather being a unique wand core. Had a PoA-specific question from listening to my tapes today--wizards seem to able to use a wand not their own. So what are the rules for wand use? Is there some connection to magical power? For instance, Sirius was attempting to use the Trio's wands (don't ask me for specifics, please--the tapes are in my garage). Are there certain spells that would require the use of your own wand? If not, why is wand selection such a big deal? Don't want to start an off-schedule thread about this--just want to gather some ideas. Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:41:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes(wsMy favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6570 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Fawkes(wsMy favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6566] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 9:41 pm (ET) > I'll bet that Dumbledore's wand has a tailfeather from Fawkes in it. Which would make it a brother to Voldy's and Harry's. That would depend on Ollivander not having told the truth when he said that the phoenix who had given the feather for Harry's wand had given two feathers, only two. Ollivander might have simply not known, if Dumbledore's wand had worn out or been broken and he had a replacement made by one of the foreign wandmakers. I'm still wondering if wands wear out - Ollivander told Harry that it seemed like only yesterday that Harry's mother was coming for her 'first wand', which sounds like they wear out sooner than the average wizard/witch does. Even if wands take a very long time to wear out, Dumbledore has had a very long time to use his, and also presumably put it through a lot of heavy use, like defeating the evil wizard Grindelwald. Speculation: Maybe it was broken in that battle. More speculation: so he had a new wand made by Gregorevitch, who was conveniently close to the hypothetical battleground in Central Europe, and plucked a feather from Fawkes because Gregorevitch had been separated from his magical ingredients by the war. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:41:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 1. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6571 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 1. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6537] Motivations, Pt 1. Date: 8/10/00 9:41 pm (ET) > By: brooksindy Date: 8/10/00 5:44 pm Snape wants the DADA position, I noted in GoF last night that JKR in her narrator's voice says "It was common knowledge that Snape wanted....". Thus it is not just student hearsay, although that might be general JKR deft misleading. aha! So JKR put it in the prose and not just when a student was talking to another student? interesting. She still could be having us on even in prose. The old "everybody knows" routine on rumors, but perhaps he DID want the job. It just is difficult to understand why Dumbledore would NOT give him the job if Snape wanted it, unless its the "recovering alcoholic" reason that someone put forth recently. But in that case, he surely would still be the one to teach how to defend. I don't know. I just haven't heard a convincing reason why he would not be given the job if he really wanted it. Haven't come to a conclusion on this issue yet. I just think that surely he would be really good at the job if he really truly wanted it. Well, we'll find out eventually, no doubt, if he DID want it or if this is nothing more than student rumors. Vicki From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:47:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:47:00 -0400 Subject: Of Dreams and Fics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6572 From: selah_1977 Subject: Of Dreams and Fics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6536] Some like it hot Date: 8/10/00 9:47 pm (ET) To Mike, Neil, and any other grownups considering authoring HP fanfic-- DO IT! Most of the fics I've read at FFnet and elsewhere were written by teens. Teen writers in the classes I've taught run the gamut from extremely gifted to USE A DICTIONARY, PLEASE! You see this colorful diversity of talent on the site, with most fics somewhere in the middle. There is a full rating system for fics, which I like. You have everything from G to NC-17 (equivalent to X-rated, none of which are any good in this case) represented there. There are very few adult writers, and fewer ones worth their salt. Blaise is one I've read and can recommend. Lori is another. Penny and Carole have added their great contribution to this fandom. But for older fans who read fics in other fandoms (X-Files, etc.), the lack of older teens and grownups is disappointing. Don't get me wrong. I'm sappy, and I like romantic comedy. But angst, purple prose, and pointlessness annoy me. My personal preferred pop genres for movies and pulp fiction are action/adventure and sci-fi. If there is a strong romantic subplot, so much the better. (BTW, Jen, don't feel bad. The first night after I read PoU, I had a vivid dream about it. Nothing like that has happened to me since I was a little kid and dreamed about hiding from Darth Vader in a chest along with Scooby and the gang. (I am not making any of this up. <vbg>)) The HP/Scooby-Doo fanatic, Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:54:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6573 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6522] GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 9:54 pm (ET) I think that when it said that Crabbe and Goyle were Death Eaters, it was referring to their parents. ~Kaitlin From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:54:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Subject: Good-Guy Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6574 From: selah_1977 Subject: Good-Guy Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6571] Re: Motivations, Pt 1. Date: 8/10/00 9:54 pm (ET) Another witness testifying on behalf of the defendant, Severus Snape... While listening to the PoA tapes today (it's *amazing* how much I missed the first 3-4 times around), something struck me. I think Snape was the first to concoct the Wolfsbane Potion. Remus specifically states that when he was first bitten as a child, there was no cure. He also seems extremely grateful for the potion, even if not necessarily happy about the source. Snape as magical medical researcher! Harry Potter for Vice President! (I've been reading too many political cartoons.) Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:57:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Question & Statements Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6575 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: GoF Question & Statements Reply To: [Yahoo! #6523] Re: GoF Question & Statements Date: 8/10/00 9:57 pm (ET) >>Our family's having a debate on who the girl on the cover of GoF is. The one to the left of Harry. My brother thinks it is Hermione, but I'm more inclined to think it's Fleur. What do you all think?<< I think these are the four champions: Harry, Cedric, Viktor, Fleur. When you read the descriptions of the characters, it makes sense. On another note: I went to Hallmark tonight and was sad to see that they did not have the cool new Harry Potter merchandise! :( Guess I'll have to order from the internet... ~Kaitlin From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 01:58:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6576 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6539] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 9:58 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/10/00 6:08 pm This followup also contains GoF spoilers, so the new members not yet caught up on reading may want to skip this. Space Snape Space Space Space put in Slytherin? Would he have accepted Harry more? I wonder if some of Snape's attitude may just be favoritism toward his own house. What must he think of Malfoy, Crabb & Goyle, too, knowing of their parents? (Plus, what must those parents think of their kids being under Snape, if they know he was the spy in *their* midst ME: I don't think the other DE's knew that Snape was a true renegade. After all, the rest of them were trying to fit back into the "good" wizard world, so they probably assumed that Snape was doing the same thing. Yes, Snape definitely seems to favor his house but the animosity towards Harry goes much MUCH deeper than house rivalry. He lets Malfoy get away with murder and seems, just my thoughts, to favor him even over other Slytherins. Maybe this is to lull Lucious into a false sense of commaraderie or maybe its just the house. The problem is that Snape is not just a little against Harry. He is grossly amazingly unfair in the points situation. The huge points that Professor Dumbledore give out probably don't make up for the huge losses that Harry and his friends seem to sustain from Snape. The only time Snape had a right to severely punish Harry he couldn't prove it was him - that time Harry threw the wet start exploding whatever into the cauldron in book two. Plus, I know that some people are starting to see Snape as the secret hidden, dark hero, but to me he is still slime, even if he is not on Voldy's side. For all he dislikes and is hard on Harry, IMO, nothing makes up for what he did to Hermione. "I don't see any difference." That is horrible and completely inexcusable from a Professor and I just can't forgive him for that completely unnecessary hateful remark to a 14 year girl. He could have let Malfoy get away with his curses without deliberately stomping on a 14 year girl at a vulnerable moment. Brooks: I thoroughly agree on this one. But it may just be from the thoughts that: > 1) He despises Gryffindors in general > 2) He despises her for being a friend of Harry. > > His statement reminds me of the line about the teachers who would tear down their students any way they could, in _The Wall_ by Pink Floyd. Me again: I don't care. to chew on an adult is one thing. even to chew on Harry, who is considered special and therefore theoretically "stronger" than others, but to chew on a young girl when you are in a position of authority over her is sick. I really wanted to smack him into his cauldron sideways. Brooks: that in the end the best we can say for Snape is that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now, any way)". I agree. If JKR intends for us to "understand" Snape and see him as one of the [perhaps peripheral] good guys or even as a half way decent person who does the right thing on occasion, then Snape is going to have to do some serious apologizing and explaining for his behavior. Vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: Good-Guy Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6577 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Good-Guy Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6574] Good-Guy Snape Date: 8/10/00 10:02 pm (ET) > I think Snape was the first to concoct the Wolfsbane Potion. I just had a thought about Wolfsbane Potion in my sleep last night. Because Remus is (at least) a perfectly competent wizard, but cannot make his own Wolfsband Potion, I had been assuming that it is a *very* difficult potion to make, therefore requiring to be made by someone who is exceptionally talented at Potions in particular not just magic in general. In fact, I used that as 'evidence' that people with meagre magic (only one step above Squibs) are handicapped at Potions as well as Charms and Transfiguration. But I suddenly thought that maybe it has nothing to do with being a difficult potion, it's just that a werewolf can't make Wolfsbane Potion. Maybe because one or more of the ingredients is poisonous to him in its unblended, raw form. Maybe it's just that the Potion won't work if made by a werewolf. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:06:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: Dreams & Fanfics; Favorite Non-Human Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6578 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Dreams & Fanfics; Favorite Non-Human Date: 8/10/00 10:06 pm (ET) Hi: Ebony said <<<The first night after I read PoU, I had a vivid dream about it.>>> Were you in the dream? I want to hear more . . . My favorite non-human in the series so far is Fawkes. I get teary everytime I read the passage(s) in CoS relating to Fawkes coming to Harry's aid. And, he seemed comforting to Harry in GoF. I agree that there is some special bond between Harry and that phoenix. Animagus? Hmmmm . . . I like Ebony's take that Padfoot is 2 for one! <g> I'll have to ruminate on that one some more (re: what animal I would choose to transform into). Later -- Penny Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:09:00 -0400 Subject: wanna-be Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6579 From: GypsyCaine Subject: wanna-be Animagi Reply To: [Yahoo! #6561] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/10/00 10:09 pm (ET) I would love to be. Animal is a bit harder--prolly something along the wild cat family, panther maybe. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:15:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Wands, and Voldy's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6580 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wands, and Voldy's Date: 8/10/00 10:15 pm (ET) Ollivander in Book One: "And of course you'll never get such good results with another wizard's wand." That should answer that question. Now let's see. If Dumbledore was a teacher when Riddle was a student, and Fawkes gave two tailfeathers that became wands, there are a couple of points - I *think* from a chronology i saw that Riddle was a student *before* Dumbledore's meeting Gindelwald - in fact, before or during WWII. So how long has Fawkes been associated with Dumbledore? It is entirely possible that Dumbledore acquired Fawkes (who is after all in essence immortal, as he is periodically reborn) frorm some older person yet - whomever AD's primary Wizardly mentor was, for example. Another thought on 'your mother's first wand' - some people might find they need new wands upon graduation since they have changed and learned so much, which is perhaps how Ron came to have the hand-me-down one. Bill or Charley needed a new one for their jobs. No answers yet, but these are food for thought. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:19:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: Wands, and Voldy's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6581 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wands, and Voldy's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6580] Re: Wands, and Voldy's Date: 8/10/00 10:19 pm (ET) Hmm - I also just caught that in fact Ollivander offered Harry, two (described) wands (and several undescribed) before the correct one, a *different* wand with Phoenix feather. So maybe they aren't so rare. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:35:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes and Wands (was favorite nonhu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6582 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Fawkes and Wands (was favorite nonhu Reply To: [Yahoo! #6569] Fawkes and Wands (was favorite nonhuman) Date: 8/10/00 10:35 pm (ET) By: selah_1977 Date: 8/10/00 9:32 pm Actually, it's stated/implied in the books by Ollivander that Fawkes only gave two tail feathers--one to Voldemort, the other to Harry. Me: You're right. Well, it was shortlived theory, but I liked it. Perhaps giving it to his human companion to have a wand made is different from simply giving Mr. Ollivander two tail feathers for anyone's wands. (I'm stretching here a bit.) YOU: I'm thinking that there is a specific reason for phoenix feather being a unique wand core. Me: now I didn't get the idea that a phoenix feather in general was that _unique_, i.e. more unique than dragon heartstring or unicorn tail, just that Mr. Ollivander only had two from Fawkes. >tapes today--wizards seem to able to use a wand >not their own. So what are the rules for wand >use? ...your own wand? If not, why is wand selection such a big deal? Mr. Ollivander said in book one something like "of course, you won't get as good results with another wand." So it seemed to me that while a wizard can use anybody's wand, it may not work properly, or you might get it only half strength, or something could go wrong. i.e. that you're always better off with your own. Rather like a figure skater could technically get in any pair of skates in their size, but unless those skates are broken in and specifically theirs and from the brand whose lasts fit their feet optimally, they will simply not look as good on the ice. I suspect that the tougher the spell, the more difficult it will be to use any wand but your own. Don't want to start an off-schedule thread Whats an "off-schedule thread?" Vicki From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 02:52:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6583 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6514] Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/10/00 10:52 pm (ET) Re Jen's dream date: I'm guessing it wasn't your scar throbbing when you woke up, eh Jen? <<P.S. On a purely Hermione-y side note for Neil: Since W.K. Shakespeare died so many years ago, wouldn't it be his *estate* that would sue J.K. Rowling for trademark infringement?>> Aha! I was referring to Walter Kathleen Shakespeare, the famous airport novelist and treacle chef, alive and well and living in Chinwag-on-the-Wilke. Don't ask where my head is... Neil From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:00:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: Magical Bonds/ The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6584 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Magical Bonds/ The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #6433] A Few Thoughts: Magical Bonds Date: 8/10/00 11:00 pm (ET) Mike Posted >The mysterious case: For some reason, Harry is utterly safe from the Big V. when under the Dursleys' protection. I have a theory on this- we all know that the Dursleys <Hate> magic and are hypersensitive about it's use around them. Perhaps this quality has beeen enhanced or tuned magically, so that this emotional energy actually repels V. and his minions in some way. Yes, there are holes in this theory, (Go ahead and pick them apart- that's what this is for!) But it would explain why the Ministy Knew immediately when magic occured in the Dursley household. They and their entire house have been turened into a hypersensitive magic detection system. Another theory I've played with, but cannot offer any solid evidence for, is that somehow, the Dursley's hostility is magically converted into protection from V. The nastier they get, the better Harry is protected. Any thoughts? Ellen The Beekeeper From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:17:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: Magical Bonds/ The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6585 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Magical Bonds/ The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #6584] Re: Magical Bonds/ The Dursleys Date: 8/10/00 11:17 pm (ET) In GoF, Voldy specifically says that Dumbledore invoked an old magic that made Harry unreachable by Voldy when in the care of relatives. I don't think it matters one way or another what the Dursleys think of this. Does anyone else notice that there are several mentions of *old* magic in this book? V's caudron and revival spell (reminding me of the Cauldron-born and the Black Cauldron of Welsh/Lloyd Alexander Prydain) (cauldron also showed up in a recent _Books of Magic_ comic, too, btw.) is old, and Dumbledore's use of the old spell. Maybe i'm just sensitized to those 'old' mentions because of Aslan referring to 'old strong magic from before the beginning of time' in Narnia's universe. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:22:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:22:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6586 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6583] Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/10/00 11:22 pm (ET) >>>Don't ask where my head is... Neil <<<< Wherever your head is, Neil, keep it there. It seems to be functioning in Top Form! Thank you once again for making me laugh out loud. Have you been designated a Living Treasure of Britain yet? I'll talk to the Committee about it. We could even sell tours... little buses that would circle your body while crass Americans took photos out the window and wondered how much it costs to heat you in the winter. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6587 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6539] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 11:23 pm (ET) <<But Harry, albeit innocently, by surviving and making V. discorporate, foiled Snape's plan for his spectacular rehabilitation and heroism. Boy, that would be frustrating!>> I think this is the key to Snape's behaviour. A while back I posted the theory that Snape is to Dumbledore as Wormtail is to Voldemort - a loyal servant, who sees himself wielding power by association and who is keen to impress his 'Master'. Having defected from the Death Eaters, he shifts his power-seeking to Dumbledore. In PS, he tells the students: "I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death.." Does this reveal his own secret desires - does he want fame and glory and perhaps the chance to cheat death? Okay. Then, along comes Harry Potter, a mere boy with a power equal to that of Voldemort, who is clearly the heir to the Dumbledore throne, phoenix and worldly goods, in terms of being a protector and an equal to the Dark Lord. Harry being at Hogwarts is a daily reminder to Snape that his days as First Officer to Dumbledore's Captain are numbered. This doesn't stop him from loyally obeying Dumbledore, and on several occasions we see him exhibit unquestioning obedience to Dumbledore's instructions. Away from Dumbledore, Snape must be bursting with resentment towards Harry 'the hero' and anything associated with him, especially as he is instructed by Dumbledore to protect him. His hatred of Harry spills over into heavy penalties for Gryffindor and nasty asides to Harry's friends - the only ways he can slave his bitterness. All this says a lot about Dumbledore, I think. He is not as innocent as he seems. He is less obvious about his power than Voldemort, but he has a circle of followers himself - the 'old gang,' who include Remus, Moody and Arabella Figg as I recall (and probably Arthur Weasley), as well as McGonagall. As for the 'DADA job' debate, I see this as intended to prevent Voldemort from seeing Snape as a *completely* lost cause. He knows he has lost him to Dumbo, but if Snape taught DADA, there would be no chance of V accepting Snape's apparent betrayal of Dumbledore, if they wanted to convince him Snape was a double agent. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:26:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6588 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6587] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/10/00 11:26 pm (ET) <<His hatred of Harry spills over into heavy penalties for Gryffindor and nasty asides to Harry's friends - the only ways he can slave his bitterness.>> Er, that should be "salve his bitterness". Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: Twins.....and toilets. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6589 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Twins.....and toilets. Date: 8/10/00 11:27 pm (ET) What is the twins fascination with toilets, and toilet seats? They were at 9 3/4 and teased their mother about blowing up a toilet, promised Ginny to send alot of owls, and a genuine Hogwarts toilet seat (sorta funny, if you think about CoS!), and then try to send Harry one. Do they have a bathroom humor thing? Btw, when I worked for Burger King, someone decided that the 4th of July and a M80 or M100 would combine to blow up the ladies' room toilet! I started cracking up the first time I read that, reminded, and then listening to the audios tonight I cracked up again! From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:27:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6590 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Ok, another question about DE's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6551] Ok, another question about DE's Date: 8/10/00 11:27 pm (ET) Sorry - I'm breaking the Cardinal Rule about not responding until you'veread everyone else's answers, but I have a burning thought here - and I'll forget it again if I read another 35 messages... "Death Eaters" is such a great name, from the readers point of view - I mean, it makes me think of worms, or maggots, which eat dead flesh (too analytical??) and so to me, it has made it almost comical - Lucius Malfoy IS a maggot! Crabbe and Goyle (the parents) are worms - I love it! From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6591 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6576] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 11:34 pm (ET) Vicki wrote: >>>to me he is still slime, even if he is not on Voldy's side. For all he dislikes and is hard on Harry, IMO, nothing makes up for what he did to Hermione. "I don't see any difference." That is horrible and completely inexcusable from a Professor and I just can't forgive him for that completely unnecessary hateful remark to a 14 year girl. <<<< Thanks for bringing this up. It was incredibly cruel of him. Snape's a bitter, vindictive man. In real life, people like him generally DON'T do anything that redeems them. Perhaps it says something about the lack of competent wizards in the world that Dumbledore retains people like him on the staff. But I think JKR is trying to keep HP "real" -- which includes having unpleasant people around, about whom you can do nothing. That's life. Which makes me wonder if Voldemort will truly be defeated by the end of Book 7. I think that either he, or at least his brand of evil, will not be stamped out as it might be in a Disney movie. In the real world, that's how things are. (Danemead's bitter & cynical personality taking control....) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:35:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: If I were an animagus.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6592 From: brooksindy Subject: If I were an animagus.. Date: 8/10/00 11:35 pm (ET) Boy that sounds like a song writing cue for Randy Estes, to the tune of "If I were a rich man" from _Fiddler on the Roof_. I asked my son what he would like to be if he were an animagus; he thought about it and said "I suppose a dragon is out of consideration"...which makes me wonder if an animagus could only become a non-magical creature - because I had wondered if I might like to be a Phoenix, - especially if I could become a young human again after spending the remaining years beyond a human lifespan as a Phoenix and going through the flaming rebirth! But I think I would certainly choose, as an animagus, to be something that could fly. But this also reminds me of the "If you could have just ONE of Superman's powers, which would it be?" To me the top two choices would be invulnerability, then flying - but if I couldn't get those, the next one I would like is heat vision - which i would use to puncture the tires of impolite drivers! From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:38:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6593 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6576] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 11:38 pm (ET) Yes, besides Harry, he has it in for Hermione, and of course his long-term vendetta against Neville. I don't know why he persecutes Neville, but I have a theory that he picks on Hermione because if there's one thing he cannot abide it is someone who *isn't* a "dunderhead" in his class. (I have *had* teachers like this!) George S. Patton gallently fought the Nazis, but that doesn't (IMHO) excuse his slapping that soldier or some of the other things he did. Similarly, I feel that just because Snape is anti-Voldemort doesn't by itself negate his treatment of the students. So I agree with you: I would as soon call Snape a "good guy" as I would call Lockhart a wit. (Apologies to Jane Austen/Fitzwilliam Darcy) :) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:39:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Twins.....and toilets. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6594 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Twins.....and toilets. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6589] Twins.....and toilets. Date: 8/10/00 11:39 pm (ET) >Btw, when I worked for Burger King, someone decided that the 4th of July and a M80 or M100 would combine to blow up the ladies' room toilet! Well.... we did attempt to startle people once by dropping dry ice down a couple of toilets in the dorm..."Double, double, toil and trouble....." From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6595 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6563] Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/10/00 11:39 pm (ET) <<In each of the previous volumes, Harry has learned something important about his past which is linked to his destiny. What did he learn in GoF?>> He learned things about Voldemort and the Death Eaters, his parents, his Godfather, his wand etc., but I think GoF sharpened his feelings about the price of fame. He was plucked from the Goblet of Fire, had the big row with Ron (who couldn't cope with his own jealousy) and was pursued by a ruthless tabloid journalist. By the end of GoF, Harry must have realised he was resigned to a life not only serving the good of the wizarding community but facing resentment all around. GoF does skirt around some of the new characters, but it also develops some of the existing characters quite significantly. The Weasley family in particular were given a huge boost in the various plotlines. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:45:00 -0400 Subject: Defeat of Voldy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6596 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Defeat of Voldy Reply To: [Yahoo! #6591] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/10/00 11:45 pm (ET) <<Which makes me wonder if Voldemort will truly be defeated by the end of Book 7. I think that either he, or at least his brand of evil, will not be stamped out as it might be in a Disney movie. In the real world, that's how things are.>> Here's an idea. Ever see the movie Legend? Good and evil have to exist together, one cannot last long without the other. I have seen this in other movies as well, but cannot recall what they are now. :) Dee From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: Wands, and Voldy's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6597 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wands, and Voldy's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6580] Re: Wands, and Voldy's Date: 8/10/00 11:46 pm (ET) > perhaps how Ron came to have the hand-me-down one. Bill or Charley needed a new one for their jobs. Ron stated: "Bill's old robes, Charlie's old wand, and Percy's old rat." It is "a very battered-looking wand. It was chipped in places and something white was glinting at the end. 'Unicorn hair's nearly poking out.'" On some e-mail-list, I questioned how Charlie's wand got so worn out in just seven years, and people suggested that it had been a hand-me-down even when Charlie first got it, maybe from a great-uncle. From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:47:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:47:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6598 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6595] Re: Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/10/00 11:47 pm (ET) There's a hint that Fleur at least will be back, and her character will probably be developed. I just wonder what job they'll give her? I can't see as DADA master (besides I want the *real* Mad-Eye to teach for a year!). Maybe Sinistra will retire and she'll teach astronomy (I gather Veela are largely nocturnal). Or maybe she'll teach a new class. I feel Hogwarts is in dire need of a magical machinery class. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: Remus - the twin connection? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6599 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Remus - the twin connection? Date: 8/10/00 11:48 pm (ET) Has the possibility of a Romulus Lupin - Remus' twin brother - been raised here before? I'm sure most of us know the legend of Romulus and Remus, the twins raised by wolves: Romulus was the founder of the city of Rome and killed Remus when he crossed the boundaries of the city (I'm sure Catlady will correct me if I'm wrong). I'd be inclined to say that JKR wouldn't be *that* obvious, but when it comes to naming, she's quite a fan of hinting at the nature of characters, places and things, as we've discussed. Although Remus wasn't born to werewolfhood, many of the other appropriately-named characters weren't born to their roles either. JKR also likes twins well enough to have two pairs in the school (even if she cast an 'Obscura Studenta' spell on Padma for a while). The other possibility for Remus (and other characters) is 'nominative determinism'. This has featured heavily in the letters pages of the magazine 'New Scientist' for years. It's the idea that people born with certain names are drawn to appropriate jobs or lifestyles. Y'know - Mr Bun the Baker, Mrs Mop the Cleaner, Mr Lupin the Werewolf? As I veer even further OT, I'll leave you with something my brother sent me in an e-mail yesterday. Apparently, there are two real life football [soccer] players called Oliver Beer and Juan Drink. Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: Twins.....and toilets. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6600 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Twins.....and toilets. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6589] Twins.....and toilets. Date: 8/10/00 11:49 pm (ET) > What is the twins fascination with toilets, and toilet seats? Their mum started it, on Platform 9 3/4, warning them: "If I get one more owl telling me you've -- you've blown up a toilet or -- ". They replied that they had never blown up a toilet and thanked her for the suggestion. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 03:54:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Wands, and Voldy's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6601 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wands, and Voldy's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6580] Re: Wands, and Voldy's Date: 8/10/00 11:54 pm (ET) i wrote: "Another thought on 'your mother's first wand' - some people might find they need new wands upon graduation since they have changed and learned so much, which is perhaps how Ron came to have the hand-me-down one. Bill or Charley needed a new one for their jobs." Ron, i just looked up in book i, had Charlie's old wand. Maybe when Charlie went to work with dragons, he needed one with a dragon heartstring core to be better with them, so had to move up a model.... From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:01:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:01:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6602 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6583] Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/11/00 12:01 am (ET) >>I'm guessing it wasn't your scar throbbing when you woke up, eh Jen?<< Ahem. >>Aha! I was referring to Walter Kathleen Shakespeare, the famous airport novelist and treacle chef, alive and well and living in Chinwag-on-the-Wilke.<< (oh, I feel a Judge Judy coming on! Of course, Neil, you probably won't get that reference...) Ah, no. You were NOT referring to Walter Kathleen, Neil, my friend. You specifically said "William K. Shakespeare". If you meant Walter Kathleen, I would have course have KNOWN you meant the airport novelist, and wouldn't have made the statement that his estate should have initiated the suit. ;) And of course, Neil, we all know where your head is. We just hope you find a way to extricate it safely. ;) On a side note, I was happy to hear that Penny was interested in my "Freudian" dream. I was hoping that you could have come up with a more detailed analysis, though, after reading your fascinating ones on the PoU site. Oh well, I'll just have to try for another one tonight. (wink wink, say no more!) Jen (giddy and high on mint chocolate chip ice cream) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:02:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6603 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Fanfic Date: 8/11/00 12:02 am (ET) Perhaps I was joshing a *bit* about doing a fanfic, in the heady chit chat about Sirius getting his naughty bits out for the ladies. If I do write anything, it probably won't contain anything to frighten the horses (sorry Mike) or interest the literary community. My problem is that I tend towards parody, which isn't as respectful as fanfic. I haven't read much fanfic, to be honest (even, PoU, which daily increases its magnetism by reputation), but I've seen and heard enough to assume that it's mostly about 'relationships'. I think I *must* read PoU! Neil From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:03:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6604 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #6516] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/11/00 12:03 am (ET) I could go for a "Virtual Quidditch" game, but besides that I would only accept a Harry Potter computer game if it were an Infocom-esque text adventure. (In two words, UN-likely.) From schlaggen at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:03:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: Motivations, Pt 2. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6605 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6593] Re: Motivations, Pt 2. Date: 8/11/00 12:03 am (ET) <<Yes, besides Harry, he has it in for Hermione, and of course his long-term vendetta against Neville. I don't know why he persecutes Neville, but I have a theory that he picks on Hermione because if there's one thing he cannot abide it is someone who *isn't* a "dunderhead" in his class. (I have *had* teachers like this!)>> I have a theory that Snape's attitude toward Neville is because of his parents. Perhaps, for example, Snape new about the planned attack on Neville's parents, but was unable to prevent it. If he *had* prevented it, Neville would certainly have had a better life, and may not even be the near-squib we know. I can picture Snape feeling a bit guilty over this, and I can easily imagine Snape loathing the fact that he feels guilty and taking it out on Neville. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:07:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin...? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6606 From: brooksindy Subject: Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin...? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6599] Remus - the twin connection? Date: 8/11/00 12:07 am (ET) >(even if she cast an 'Obscura Studenta' spell on Padma for a while). Which reminds me - I had intended to suggest a little game for this group. Object: Invent a spell and come up with the magic word for it. Should be amusing, like 'Redikkulous!' for the 'turn the boggart non-fearsome' spell. My entry: "Innagadavida!" - makes a human victim seek out the nearest horizontal surface, and with hands, wand or any other sticklike thing within reach, helplessly drum on it unceasingly for ten minutes. Note that if cast on an animal rather of a human, than rather than forced into drumming, the creature is 'Transfigured' into an.... Iron Butterfly. -Brooks From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: "Idiot is not written here" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6607 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: "Idiot is not written here" Reply To: [Yahoo! #6602] Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/11/00 12:07 am (ET) <<Ah, no. You were NOT referring to Walter Kathleen, Neil, my friend. You specifically said "William K. Shakespeare">> Doh! I really should read what I say, shouldn't I? Or hire you as my proof-reader - attractive terms? I know and love Judge Judy, BTW. She appears on the cable channels over here. Neil, slinks off into the small hours...red in the face (again) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 04:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Remus - the twin connection? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6608 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Remus - the twin connection? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6599] Remus - the twin connection? Date: 8/11/00 12:10 am (ET) > Has the possibility of a Romulus Lupin - Remus' twin brother - been raised here before? I suppose that parents so wildly careless as to name their baby Remus Lupin in a universe in which 'nominative determinism' is at work, could also be so wildly careless as to name their two children after siblings one of whom killed the other! Why not just name them Abel and Cain and get it over with? In my world of pure speculation, Remus's parents had a career that involved living in a series of foreign countries (I said, running hotels for Shepherded Tours, a company that provides package tours that are a little piece of Britain for wizarding tourists who want to see the famous tourist attractions without having to deal with foreigners, but later I wondered: why don't they just Apparate?) and had a first baby while living in Rome, so they named him Romulus, but he died of SIDS, so they named the next one Remus as a memorial ... From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 05:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:09:00 -0400 Subject: Wonderful review by reluctant reader... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6609 From: Danemead Subject: Wonderful review by reluctant reader... Date: 8/11/00 1:09 am (ET) Great article in Today's Washington Post by Laura Sessions Stepp, who starts out her article saying "Harry Potter was the last thing I wanted to read at the beach. Anything but Harry!" and goes on to say she read all 4 books during her vacation. She's come up with a marvelous viewpoint on the books -- definitely worth reading: 'J.K. Rowling's Potter Books Have It Right' by Laura Sessions Stepp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2188-2000Aug10.html From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 05:34:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:34:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfiction......... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6610 From: golden_faile Subject: Fanfiction......... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6609] Wonderful review by reluctant reader... Date: 8/11/00 1:34 am (ET) How is everyone getting into Fanfiction? Everytime I try, it comes up as under construction.I would really like to read the stories that are being discussed, and would greatly appreciate any help in this area. Thank You, Selene From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 05:35:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:35:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6611 From: anneinchicago Subject: Re: Ok, another question about DE's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6558] Re: Ok, another question about DE's Date: 8/11/00 1:35 am (ET) > Where did the name come from? Come on, who would want to be called a "Death Eater"? (snip)you don't "eat death?" Hmm. <brain cells try to start fubnctioning> Could there be a connection between Death Eaters and Snape's comment (paraphrased) about potions that could stopper death? anne in chicago From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 05:48:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6612 From: anneinchicago Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6587] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 1:48 am (ET) Is it possible Snape is delibrately being as hard as he possibly can on Harry in order to prepare him for his final confrontation with Voldemort? By constantly sniping and critising, etc., he's not allowing Harry to either rest or become complacent. He is, in effect, keeping Harry alert and on his toes. And, in a similiar vein, I wonder about the tests Harry has been undergoing. Each has been progressively harder for Harry to solve and has required him to seek out the aid of both Hermonie and Ron. Again, I wonder if these situations are being set up delibrately by Dumbledore in order to harden and prepare Harry for the final confrontation? anne in chicago From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 08:47:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:47:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6613 From: anneinchicago Subject: Movie news Date: 8/11/00 4:47 am (ET) Harry Potter Meets Gloucester Cathedral by Emily Farache Aug 9, 2000, 1:35 PM PT The owl delivery just arrived and we have the latest news on the movie version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. The much-anticipated big-screen adaptation of J.K. Rowling's best-selling phenomenon is taking shape, with producers settling on a real-life castle to double as Harry's home away from home, Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. The part of the school will be played by England's ancient Gloucester Cathedral. The cathedral, with its Gothic spires, fan-vaulted cloisters and medieval stained-glass windows, is 900 years old and houses tombs of the murdered, the fantastical and the ingenious--not unlike the literary Hogwarts. The cathedral's authorities agreed this week to let the edifice serve as the key location of the cinematic Harry franchise, which director Chris Columbus is supposed to begin shooting this fall. (Although the cathedral will be used for the setting, most of the movie will be shot at Leavesden Studios in Hertfordshire, where parts of The Phantom Menace were filmed.) Gloucester was actually Warner Bros.' second choice for Hogwarts. Last month, the dean of Canterbury Cathedral said he had turned down a "generous" offer from the studio because of concern at the use of pagan imagery in the stories. The dean of Gloucester didn't see the book the same way. The London Times reported the Very Reverend Nicholas Bury to be as intrigued as young Harry about the cathedral's role in the film when he announced the deal. "Gloucester is one of the most beautiful cathedrals, and its friendliness and human scale have often been remarked upon," he told the paper. "It is an atmospheric place and good for a story about a boy making friends in his first year at school." The dean also admitted to being a fan of the books. "It is also amusing, exciting and wholesome. In the book, goodness, honesty and integrity overcome lies and deceit." Although the site has been used as a church since 679, it wasn't consecrated as such until 1100. King Henry III was crowned in the cathedral in 1216, when he was only 9 years old--just two years younger than Harry Potter. Meanwhile, as the hunt for a screen Harry apparently continues (there's been no confirmation of reports that young actor Liam Aiken is the leading candidate), other key roles are being filled. According to the Hollywood Reporter, Alan Rickman (Dr. Lazarus in Galaxy Quest) is in talks to play the slimy Professor Snape, while Richard Harris (Gladiator's Marcus Aurelius) may take on the role of kindly Professor Dumbledore, Hogwarts' headmaster. The Reporter also says that Robbie Coltrane is in negotiations to play the large, friendly giant Hagrid--the groundskeeper at Hogwarts. And Maggie Smith is still in talks to play Professor McGonagall, the school's second-in-command. No word on who will play the nefarious Lord Voldemort, Harry's enemy, or the young wizard's school chums Ron and Hermione. posted by anne in chicago From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 09:05:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:05:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6614 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6563] Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/11/00 5:05 am (ET) I wasn't disappointed with GoF until I reached the last chapter. Then I felt that JKR had been under pressure to reduce the length of the book and rushed through the action somewhat. I am particularly delighted to see a book of that length which appeals to pre-teens and early teens. Now when my daughter is faced with an otherwise dauntingly thick text book the comment comes, "It's not much bigger than Goblet of Fire." It's great for children to work their way through a long, developing story and it doesn't do me any harm either. Might re-read War and Peace now ... From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 12:20:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:20:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6615 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6563] Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/11/00 8:20 am (ET) Warning to those who haven't read GoF yet: there might be some plot stuff given away in here, you might want to skip this post. :-) First time for me posting here and its nice to find a Harry Potter board not populated mostly by kiddies so I don't feel so out of place *laugh*. I can see your points, Harriet, but I have to admit I wasn't dissapointed by GoF at all. I've only read the books once (all 4 during my vacation last week) and will have to read them again to verify my initial impressions or change them, but I was more dissapointed by book two then the other sequels. I felt it was too MUCH like book 1 and didn't build on anything new like book 3 and 4 did. I do agree the parts regarding the international exchange of wizards were somewhat glossed over, but considering the target audience of the books (9 to 12 year olds), simplification of vexxing problems might be somewhat warranted. He saves the sister and now the french girl admires him and they get along. Simplistic, yes, but it works for what it is. Still, I would wish that the problem would be treated with more of the complexity that it warrants, but then the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings often use the same conceit to solve what could be hard problems (dwarves and elves not getting along for example) and it in no way detracts from either series. The SPEW plot line faded away throughout the book, which I felt was appropriate though it WAS quite funny and enjoyable to read about. Perhaps she simply needed to better explain Hermione's change of interests (from the rights of House Elves to a potential boyfriend and Harry's problems) or Hermione simply getting the point (if its true as every else says) that House Elves really do like things the way they are. I think you're right about Harry learning something in every book and that not being as easy to see in GoF. I didn't feel that was so much a case of the book being rushed as it being a more of a situation where the tone and tenor of the volumes have taken a darker turn. All Harry could learn, in my opinion, was that he is no longer safe or protected from Voldemort and that people can and will die even though he tries his hardest. Anyways, nice to meet all you mutual Harry loving adults *laugh*. You folks do post alot, and I probably won't keep up but I'll check in from time to time and contribute as I can. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 12:33:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:33:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6616 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6612] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 8:33 am (ET) *laughing* That's been my take on Snape as well, since Harry found out Snape was actually trying to save him at the Quidditch match. Dumbledore is obviously extremely supportive of Snape and I've also noticed he NEVER stops Snape from treating Harry like dirt although he MUST be aware of it (he seems to know almost everything that's going on anyways, even if he's not 100% sure of all the facts). Basically he's a living, breathing "Moody Effect" for Harry... CONSTANT VIGILANCE! :-) As for the tests... maybe. I'd have to think about that more before I could respond since I hadn't quite seen it that way until you mentioned it. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 12:50:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6617 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6561] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/11/00 8:50 am (ET) I would want to be an animagi, but I'm not sure what yet...There are so many different reasons for wanting to be different animals... From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 12:52:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:52:00 -0400 Subject: My favorite non-human in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6618 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: My favorite non-human in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6617] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/11/00 8:52 am (ET) Re: being an animagus, I would love to be an owl - I'd get double duty that way! And along the same lines, my favorite non-human is Pigwidgeon. I find him terribly cute and simply bubbling with personality. voicelady From sigma94 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 12:58:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6619 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6563] Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/11/00 8:58 am (ET) I think that GofF was the beginning of the end of the Harry Potter series, as sad as that thought is...The other books were individual chapters in his life, giving us background and establishing the characters. I feel that GofF was setting us up for the battle of the century! GOOD vs EVIL! Only $49.95 on Pay per View!LOL Sorry, couldn't resist!! From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 13:24:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:24:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6620 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #6603] Fanfic Date: 8/11/00 9:24 am (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/11/00 12:02 am wrote: My problem is that I tend towards parody, which isn't as respectful as fanfic. I haven't read much fanfic, to be honest (even, PoU, which daily increases its magnetism by reputation), but I've seen and heard enough to assume that it's mostly about 'relationships'. ********************** While a lot of fanfic out there is primarily about relationships...PoU (Paradigm of Uncertainty) is not. While there is a fair bit of shippy stuff in there...it is primarily a really great action / mystery. We are awaiting the chapter in which the ultimate confrontation occurs...and the speculation on who is a good guy and who is a bad guy is really rampant....noone knows....kind of like...the only ones I'm sure about are me and you and sometimes I'm not so sure about you...then there is the Harry's opponent in this story...a truly evil gal (who resembles Angelina Jolie in a black cat suit...that might make it worth your while, Neil) I know a lot has been written on PoU on this board, and I don't mean to be repetitive, but I just had to clarify....It is so much more than a relationship story. So Neil...get your self over to the site and read the story...you will enjoy it...trust me.... URL provided: www.egroups.com/files/ParadigmOfUncertainty/ carole From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 13:33:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:33:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6621 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6587] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 9:33 am (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/10/00 11:23 pm wrote: Okay. Then, along comes Harry Potter, a mere boy with a power equal to that of Voldemort, who is clearly the heir to the Dumbledore throne, phoenix and worldly goods, in terms of being a protector and an equal to the Dark Lord. Harry being at Hogwarts is a daily reminder to Snape that his days as First Officer to Dumbledore's Captain are numbered. This doesn't stop him from loyally obeying Dumbledore, and on several occasions we see him exhibit unquestioning obedience to Dumbledore's instructions. All this says a lot about Dumbledore, I think. He is not as innocent as he seems. He is less obvious about his power than Voldemort, but he has a circle of followers himself - the 'old gang,' who include Remus, Moody and Arabella Figg as I recall (and probably Arthur Weasley), as well as McGonagall. ************************** I really like this theory...I missed it the first time you posted it...must have been before I finished GoF, while I was avoiding the board...anyway...this makes more sense to me than the unrequitted (sp?) love theory or the just plain mean theory. Snape seems much more interested in power than in love or interpersonal relationships...in fact the fact that he was a death eater adds to this as Voldy has made the statement there is no such thing as good and bad, just power and those afraid to use it (or something like that)...anyway... Thank you for posting it...I think it has merit... carole From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 13:41:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:41:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6622 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Movie news Reply To: [Yahoo! #6613] Movie news Date: 8/11/00 9:41 am (ET) I think Gloucester actually looks more like a castle then Canterbury does, so that's ok (though neither look like I picture Hogswart). Alan Rickman - Excellent choice for Snape! Anyone remember Hans Gruber from Die Hard? That's Rickman. Richard Harris - a quality choice for Dumbledore. You could have made a case for Ian Holm as well (he's playing Gandalf in the soon to be released Lord of the Rings trilogy). Robbie Coltrane - I'd have to see him in makeup, but ok. I can picture another actor in my mind from a certain movie, but neither the name of the actor or the movie is coming to me, so I'll get back with that if I recall (too bad Andre the Giant passed away... I know he wasn't English, but he would have made a good Hagrid if you've seen his performance in The Princess Bride). From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 13:42:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6623 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6602] Re: Harry Potter Dream Crushes... Date: 8/11/00 9:42 am (ET) By: jenP_97 Date: 8/11/00 12:01 am wrote: On a side note, I was happy to hear that Penny was interested in my "Freudian" dream. I was hoping that you could have come up with a more detailed analysis, though, after reading your fascinating ones on the PoU site. Oh well, I'll just have to try for another one tonight. (wink wink, say no more!) Jen (giddy and high on mint chocolate chip ice cream) ************** Oooooo, we can analyze your dream??? I love doing that..Penny and I have had a long discussion of the significance of the PoU dreams....I'll think on that today and post a full analysis...there is another PoU subscriber who really did a great job on the dream inASA....weshould get her in on the action too... and completly off topic...Breyer's mint chocolate chip is my favorite...I was eating some as well as you posted last night.....yummmmm carole From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 13:45:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6624 From: salter15 Subject: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 9:45 am (ET) Ok, I have been thinking, I have seen a lot of conversation about how dark the series is getting. And I have a theory, I know that the series is written for the 9-12 age group, but if a nine year old started with the first book at nine and read the books as they came out (which I know is unlikely considering I didn't even hear about HP until the 3rd book was released) then that 9 year old would be 12-13 now, as the kids grow so do the story lines, by the time the 7th book comes out those 9 yr olds will be 16, and the reading level of a 9 yr old is quite different from that of a 16 yr old. Just my 2 galleons worth. Janet From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 14:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6625 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6624] The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 10:28 am (ET) Hi: <<<I know that the series is written for the 9-12 age group, but if a nine year old started with the first book at nine and read the books as they came out (which I know is unlikely considering I didn't even hear about HP until the 3rd book was released) then that 9 year old would be 12-13 now, as the kids grow so do the story lines, by the time the 7th book comes out those 9 yr olds will be 16, and the reading level of a 9 yr old is quite different from that of a 16 yr old.>>> Ah, I have several points to make with this one. <g> 1. JKR has herself said in several interviews that the books are not targeted at 9-12 yr olds. Or, at least, she didn't write the first book with that audience in mind. My own feeling is that because Harry was 11 in the first book, the publishers began marketing them as a childrens' series without giving it much thought and/or without consulting JKR too much about where the books were headed. I maintain these books are not *just* childrens' books that happen to be enjoyed by some adults. There is too great a cross appeal with them to label them in that way; it seems too restrictive a label somehow. IMO. I will skip my std NY Times rant for the time being -- most of you have probably heard it. 2. You're right Janet about the kids "growing" with the books. But, what about 2005? All 7 books are written & sitting there on the shelves of your local libraries & bookstores. Your 9 yr old child may be perfectly capable of reading & enjoying the first 2 or 3 books in the series, but he/she may or may not be able to take (or understand/appreciate) the darker tone & more complex plotlines in the later books. It presents an interesting (and perhaps unique) dilemna for parents. Maybe Ebony can weigh in on this some more -- but *are* there very many bildungsroman or "coming of age" series where the earliest books in the series are appropriate for younger readers but the later ones are not? In the case of the "coming of age" series with which I am most familiar, Little House books by Laura Ingalls Wilder, that is not true. An 8 yr old child can enjoy the 7th book just as much as the 1st book. Granted, this same hypothetical 8 yr old child will enjoy the 7th book in that series much more when he/she is 14 than when he/she was 8, but there's nothing "inappropriate" in the last volumes of that series. My own feeling is that there's no reason why parents can't allow their kids to read the first few books of HP at a young age & save the later ones for when they're able to handle it. My 2 galleons & then some -- Penny From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 14:41:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6626 From: salter15 Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6625] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 10:41 am (ET) Oh, I agree that they were marketed for the 9-12 age group because of Harry's age. I also agree whole heartedly that they are enjoyed by all ages, hence this club. I was just putting my opinion out there as to why I thought the series was getting darker. I guess I felt like I had been lurking out here reading the posts but not putting my 2 galleons worth in. OT-BTW I finished ch. 13 of PoU and I can't wait for the rest. Also I can't wait for another chapter of ASA. Janet From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 15:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6627 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6625] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 11:02 am (ET) I'm reading a book which analyzes 300 years of baby- and child-care books and trends, and in the 1890 - 1920 section, there's a little bit on Peter Pan which put me in the mind of my fellow "grown ups" on this list: "The audience on the first night [of the stage version of Peter Pan] was almost entirely adult - and clapped furiously to save fairy Tinker Bell's life at the line: 'Do you believe in fairies?' The cult of J.M. Barrie was only explicable in terms of the general nostalgia for childhood and infancy which prevailed just before war broke out." I am now curious to learn more about how Peter Pan - officially, a story for children, and one of the few "new" fairy tales of the post-Hans Christian Andersen era (the others (I recently read an article discussing this) are the Oz stories, Alice in Wonderland and now Harry Potter) - was recieved by adults. Did grownups buy it for themselves or their children? Did they chase the nanny out of the nursery to read it to their little boys & girls, or did they bring it down to their own libraries and stay up late, burning the midnight oil, to read it themselves? And did they argue in literary salons about the casting of the stage version, fussing about whether an actor from the US could play Peter Pan ; ) ? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 15:04:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6628 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Movie news Reply To: [Yahoo! #6622] Re: Movie news Date: 8/11/00 11:04 am (ET) <<Alan Rickman - Excellent choice for Snape! Anyone remember Hans Gruber from Die Hard? That's Rickman.>> He's the only person from Robin Hood Prince of Thieves with any right to be in a Harry Potter movie. Just remembering him saying "... and cancel Christmas!" is enough to let me imagine him threatening Harry and co. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 15:40:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Proposal for fun Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6629 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Proposal for fun Reply To: [Yahoo! #6606] Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin...? Date: 8/11/00 11:40 am (ET) Brooks wrote: >>>>"Innagadavida!" - makes a human victim seek out the nearest horizontal surface, and with hands, wand or any other sticklike thing within reach, helplessly drum on it unceasingly for ten minutes. <<<<< I laughed myself silly over this one. I'm going to inflict it on my brother, who is 51 now, but drove my parents, sister, and me crazy by playing In-a-gadda-da-vida nonstop for hours at a time when he was a teenager. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 16:05:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6630 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6625] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 12:05 pm (ET) > but *are* there very many bildungsroman or "coming of age" > series where the earliest books in the series are >appropriate for younger readers but the later ones >are not? In the case >of the "coming of age" series with which I am most >familiar, Little House books by Laura Ingalls >Wilder, that is not true. I do not think it is true of the Prydain books either, even though in the course of five books the lead child characters also go from about eleven or so to about 18. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 16:15:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6631 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Movie news Reply To: [Yahoo! #6622] Re: Movie news Date: 8/11/00 12:15 pm (ET) Hi All Well guess where I went today... That's right... Gloucester. I've uploaded some small pictures to the photo album (HP Movie Images) so that those of you who do not know what Gloucester Cathedral looks like can see what it. If you want to see a larger image of the Cloisters - then I've uploaded one to the Broomsticks server. http://www.broomsticks.org Did you know that Gloucester will now be famous for two Potters. The town is famous for a small house in the town centre that featured in The Tailor Of Gloucester by Beatrix Potter. Now with Harry Potter coming to the Cathedral, the townsfolk have Potter on the brain. >I think Gloucester actually looks more like a castle then Canterbury does, so that's ok (though neither look like I picture Hogswart). I don't think they will use external views of the cathedral... only the cloisters. Externaly the cathedral is under going renovation work - and I can't see them stopping that just for a film studio. >Richard Harris - a quality choice for Dumbledore. How about David Jason (Jack Frost, Dell Boy)... I think he could be good in the part, though he might still be a little young. Running out of time... must dash to work. Will post latter about my trip to Gloucester if anyone is interested. Nick. From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:21:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Bad-Guy Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6632 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Bad-Guy Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6574] Good-Guy Snape Date: 8/11/00 1:21 pm (ET) I'm not so sure that Snape has become a good guy, although (or perhaps because!) the latest book gives that impression. Here's a possible scenario where Snape could in fact still be a bad guy: Back when the Big V was at the top of his power (15 years or so ago) he found that Dumbledore was the only person that stood in his way. He had to find some way to crack Dumbledore's armor, and finally came up with his plan. He summoned one of his faithful Death Eaters and instructed him to "defect" to Dumbledore's side. Snape was to give some information that would hurt V's cause at first, but would assure that Dumbledore trusted Snape. This would give him a servant placed in such a way to cause tremendous trouble at just the right moment. Unfortunately for the bad guys, V's plans thwarted when he went after Harry Potter. Snape was stuck in the good guys camp, but also cleared from any of his Death Eater activities. He had no choice except to work with the good guys, but he faced some problems when Harry started school. His hatred for James Potter would allow him to get away with some things, but he also had to watch out for Harry when Quirrell started acting so strange. It never occurred to Snape that V was controlling Quirrell (I think that's the weakest part of this argument), so Snape helped thwart his attempts to steal the stone. The Big V may have considered this as a "cowardly" act on Snape's part, and his refusal to return when the Death Eaters were called proved that he was indeed a coward. After "paying" for this, Snape would be poised to fulfill his role as a traitor to Dumbledore's cause. My guess is that Snape will fall into that gray area between good and bad, with his ultimate role not displayed until the end of the series, if even then. It's fun to speculate in the meantime! <|~8-) From joy0823 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:35:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6633 From: Joy0823 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Date: 8/11/00 1:35 pm (ET) I started rereading Philosopher's Stone (or do we call it by the British name around here?) today, and with the Hagrid discussion in mind, picked up on more evidence that his wand was still functional. It's funny how this group makes me notice things I never did before. First, he swings the umbrella around before giving Dudley his tail. This would be like a wizard pointing his wand. Second, he tells Olivander that he still has the pieces, then clutches the umbrella. There seems to be some link between the two. He also uses the umbrella to make the canoe he brings Harry back from the shack in row itself. He seems quite nervous about it, and warns Harry not to tell anyone. IMHO, all of these things together make a great case for Hagrid still having his wand, hiding it in the umbrella, and using it to perform magic. ~Joy~ From joy0823 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:40:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:40:00 -0400 Subject: The Bones Family Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6634 From: Joy0823 Subject: The Bones Family Date: 8/11/00 1:40 pm (ET) When Hagrid is telling Harry about his parents death for the first time, he mentions that Voldemort killed several other prominent (and good) wizards. One of the names given is Bones. Now, is this a relative of the Bones Death Eater in GoF? Or is it the Bones (Susan, I believe) that we see getting sorted? I suppose it could also be both. I predict (with about as much basis as Madame Trelawney) that there's some sort of significance and/or internal conflict related to the Bones family. I'd bet on hearing more about them. ~Joy~ From wulfblat at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 17:56:00 2000 From: wulfblat at yahoo.com (wulfblat) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news (Ian Holm is Bilbo) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6635 From: wulfblat Subject: Re: Movie news (Ian Holm is Bilbo) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6622] Re: Movie news Date: 8/11/00 1:56 pm (ET) This is just a quick correction to a previous post where someone stated that Ian Holm was playing Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings. Ian Holm is playing Bilbo Baggins in the movie, and Ian McKellen is playing Gandalf. Leonard Bottleman From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 18:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Subject: Bad-Guy Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6636 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Bad-Guy Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #6632] Bad-Guy Snape Date: 8/11/00 2:34 pm (ET) I really like your Harry Potter smileyface: <|~8-) Cute! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 18:35:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Interview Excerpts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6637 From: plinsenmayer Subject: JKR Interview Excerpts Date: 8/11/00 2:35 pm (ET) Hi: I was standing in line & "Entertainment Weekly" cover caught my eye -- seems they have the 2nd part of an interview with JKR in this week's issue. First -- does anyone have a copy of the first part? Can I beg a copy (I'll pay for copies & postage)? Email me if you have it. I want to put some excerpts up, especially as one of them has direct bearing on something Janet & I were discussing earlier this morning. Interviewer: "Have you ever 'Maybe I should tone it down.'" JKR: "No. I know that sounds kind of brutal, but no, I haven't. The bottom line is, I have to write the story I want to write. I never wrote them with a focus group of 8-year-olds in mind. I have to continue telling the story the way I want to tell it. I don't relish the idea of children in tears, and I absolutely don't deny that it's frightening. But, its supposed to be frightening! And if you don't show how scary that is, you cannot show how incredibly brave Harry is. Harry's really brave, and he does, I think, one of his bravest things in this book: He can't save Cedric, but he wants to save Cedric's parents additional pain. He wants to bring back the body and treat it with respect." Yay!!! Artistic integrity -- I'm so so so glad that she is very clear that she's sticking to her guns on that one. More excerpts to follow in next message (this one is getting longish). Penny From hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 18:39:00 2000 From: hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com (hermione_granger78) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Something that I have been wondering Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6638 From: hermione_granger78 Subject: Re: Something that I have been wondering Reply To: [Yahoo! #6541] Re: Something that I have been wondering Date: 8/11/00 2:39 pm (ET) oooh *lol* ok I didnt realise so many people picked up on it hehe!! Hmm it will be interesting to see if she addresses it in the next book!! I was thinking that perhaps it wasnt a reversal of the spells but that simple the people that appeared to hmi were in order of importance to his life... his mother being the MOST important was the last one out... I dont know though because surely then Bertha would have come out first followed by Cedric... I hope it isnt simply a goof up though. I hope that there is some reason behind it. Thanks tho :o) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 18:42:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:42:00 -0400 Subject: More JKR Interview Excerpts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6639 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More JKR Interview Excerpts Date: 8/11/00 2:42 pm (ET) Hi: More excerpts from Entertainment Weekly JKR Interview (Pt 2) -- In reference to the darkness of the tone of GoF, she has this to say: ". . . .What's very important for me is when Dumbledore says that you have to choose between what is right and what is easy. This is the setup for the next three books. All of them are going to have to choose, because what is easy is often not right." Ooh!!! Looking so forward to the next 3 -- She says that she absolutely hated killing Cedric & the part that she cried while writing GoF: the scene where Harry's parents came out of the wand. "It was the first time I cried writing a Harry Potter book. I got pretty upset." Interviewer: "As your fan base is growing larger, and maybe even younger, do you feel any sense of . . . . responsibilities to their sensibilities?" JKR: "I cannot write to please other people. I *can't.* When I finish Book 7, I want to be able to look in the mirror and think, I did it the way I meant to do it. If I lose readers in the process, I'm not going to throw a party about it. But I would feel worse if I knew that I had allowed myself to write something different. .... 'Well, that's great, but I know what's coming, and I think 6 is a tiny bit too young.' I've always felt that. ...." More in next message Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 18:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: Yet More JKR Interview Excerpts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6640 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Yet More JKR Interview Excerpts Date: 8/11/00 2:53 pm (ET) Hi: Interviewer: "Do you have any kind of control over what Warner Bros. does with Harry Potter?" JKR: "Can I prevent it in terms of what's in my contract? No. But they have been very gracious in allowing me input, and I have been asked a lot of questions I never expected to be asked." WHERE was her attorney (solicitor) when that contract was being negotiated? She should have been in a position of strength I would think & could have negotiated much more input into the final contract. There's the lawyer in me! Interviewer: "What's it like, dealing with Hollywood?" JKR: Re when she met the screenwriter for the first time, he asked her if she knew who his favorite character was. She thought "'You're gonna say Ron.' It's really easy to love Ron, but so obvious. But he said, 'Hermione.' I just kind of melted." So did Penny. <big giant smile> She's my fave too, so I now have great hopes for her portrayal in the movie. She's touring here in the US later this year according to the interview. Overall, I thought this was *very* interesting. Hope you did! Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 20:03:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:03:00 -0400 Subject: Inventing a spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6641 From: Danemead Subject: Inventing a spell Date: 8/11/00 4:03 pm (ET) Well, here's my attempt at inventing a new spell -- not much, but then it's Friday and the brain is malfunctioning... Inasmuchas - a Spanish curse. (Chant IN-AS-MUCH-AS three times clearly). When inflicted upon a businessman/businesswoman, causes excessively verbose dictation in official correspondence. May also induce sleepiness and fatal brainclouds in those who read such letters. Also causes increase in 'fog factor' in legal documents. Similar to curses known as "Heretofor" and "Aforesaid." From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:06:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6642 From: estesrandy Subject: Fawkes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6566] Re: My favorite non-human in HP Date: 8/11/00 5:06 pm (ET) >>Its interesting to me that Fawkes' part in the books seems to increase. Now in four we learn that Voldy's and Harry's wand feathers came from Fawkes. Fawkes comes and flies to Harry at least once in IV when he is feeling really bad.<< It seems obvious to me that the Phoenix bird is the symbol of rebirth from the ashes. Knowing JKR's love of the history of names and symbology, the phoenix tail feathers in the wands implies that rebirth is an important element of Harry and Voldy's lives. As we just read, Voldy comes back to life from the ashes. Harry somehow avoided Death once before (actually he does it in every book if you think about it). The idea of rebirth from Death strikes a chord for the series. Harry represents the rebirth of good from the evil tyranny of Voldy's earlier dominance. There is a Yin/Yang relationship between the two. As I recall the bird disappeared in Book 2 and reappeared later to reinforce the notion of rebirth. I think Dumbledore must know this relationship. Perhaps that is why he had that strange look in his eye when Harry told him that his blood was used to recreate Voldy. From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:11:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6643 From: Rip_Washington Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowling Date: 8/11/00 5:11 pm (ET) http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/connection/audio/1999/12/con1228a. rm From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:45:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6644 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6621] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 5:45 pm (ET) > Snape seems much more interested in power than in love or interpersonal relationships...in fact, the fact that he was a death eater adds to this as Voldy has made the statement there is no such thing as good and bad, just power and those afraid to use it (or something like that)...anyway... I haven't noticed Snape being interested in power for its own sake, as much as in being admired -- being admired is an interpersonal relationship -- and I imagine that he yearns to be liked/accepted as an equal by those whom he admires as much as to be admired by those he considers his inferiors (i.e. secretly considers his equals). I think V had different temptations for different people: power for some, wealth for some, vengeance for some, an opportunity for sadistic "fun" for some, immortality for some ... He could have lured Snape with flattery and promises of future glory. However, I like to fantasize that Snape arrived at school with already a chip on his shoulder and extreme intelligence (we were told that he was an unpleasant child with a big interest in the Dark Arts). He managed to become accepted as a friend by a group of snobby (Slytherin) house-mates (whom he for some reason admired)(this is the group of Slytherins of whom we were told they all went over to V) because he was useful to them as a source of homework to copy and class notes to study from. As these friends grew up and were being seduced by V, his knowledge of Dark Arts was another reason he was useful to them. He stuck with them for reasons of group identity or because he got so much pleasure from feeding his intellectual curiosity about Dark Arts, until one day he realised that he had become a Death Eater without really noticing. This does not contradict the just-plain-mean theory (being just-plain-mean from an early age could account for his lack of friends, other than those who found him useful) and can lead into either the loved-Lily theory or the variants of the sought-glory theory: sought glory by defeating V, but Harry did it first; sought glory by serving V, but V 'went away', leaving him undercover at Hogwarts; sought glory of becoming Dumbledore's right-hand man and heir ... V could have lured Snape with flattery and promises of future glory. He could have lured Snape with opporunities to exercise his intellectual curiosity, offers of research grants and experimental subjects and access to rare books. He could have lured Snape with an opportunity for vengeance on James, whom I imagine to have been a well-loved celebrity at school for his Quidditch playing, who would have been widely loved even if not an athlete just because his personality was charming, and whom Snape couldn't even dismiss as a dumb jock because he equalled Snape's grades in every class, thus 'stealing' what Snape believed to be his own rightful claim to glory: being the top student. And if he fancied Lily, losing her to *James* would have been the last straw. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:49:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6645 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6587] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 5:49 pm (ET) >>Away from Dumbledore, Snape must be bursting with resentment towards Harry 'the hero' and anything associated with him, especially as he is instructed by Dumbledore to protect him. His hatred of Harry spills over into heavy penalties for Gryffindor and nasty asides to Harry's friends - the only ways he can slave his bitterness. << By George I think you've got it !! This helps me to understand why Snape would interfere with Harry seeing Dumbledore in the hallway outside his office in Book 4. Harry was obviously in a hurry to get Dumbledore to see Crouch, and Snape held him up! He didn't need to show his Slytherin loyalty in that case because noone else was around. He obviously has a problem when Harry wants to speak to Dumbledore. I think he is 'jealous' of Harry's relationship to Dumbledore! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:52:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: Inventing a spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6646 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Inventing a spell Reply To: [Yahoo! #6641] Inventing a spell Date: 8/11/00 5:52 pm (ET) I *already* posted two spells I invented (not as funny as yours): the Charm Charm, which makes whatever person to whom you are speaking like you and the Spell Spell, which causes you to spell every word correctly, even if you have never encountered that word before. More: the Curse Curse, which causes every other word out of the victim's mouth or pen to be one of the Seven Forbidden Words and the Switch Switch, which must be some Transfiguration involving electric wall switches and riding crops, but I don't have the details yet. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 21:55:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6647 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6645] Re: Snape (was Motivations Pt 2.) Date: 8/11/00 5:55 pm (ET) > why Snape would interfere with Harry seeing Dumbledore in the hallway outside his office in Book 4. Harry was obviously in a hurry to get Dumbledore to see Crouch, and Snape held him up! That was such a totally insane thing for Snape to do! He must have known by that time that Harry had a good (anti-V, not personal) reason to see D, so how could he be loyal to D and still prevent something D would have wanted (getting the information from H) just to spite H????? From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:00:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: By any other Name... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6648 From: estesrandy Subject: By any other Name... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6599] Remus - the twin connection? Date: 8/11/00 6:00 pm (ET) >>The other possibility for Remus (and other characters) is 'nominative determinism'. This has featured heavily in the letters pages of the magazine 'New Scientist' for years. It's the idea that people born with certain names are drawn to appropriate jobs or lifestyles. Y'know - Mr Bun the Baker, Mrs Mop the Cleaner, Mr Lupin the Werewolf? << Given the above theory,... ahem...does my first name imply something?... You'll have to ask Carole about my broomstick, but we do have 3 kids! I guess I just never thought about it before. Hmmmmmmm From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:08:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6649 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6606] Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin...? Date: 8/11/00 6:08 pm (ET) >>Object: Invent a spell and come up with the magic word for it. Should be amusing, like 'Redikkulous!' for the 'turn the boggart non-fearsome' spell.<< How about: YabbaDabbaDomus which turns the other person into a prehistoric cartoon character! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: Differential Knowledge of Sports Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6650 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Differential Knowledge of Sports Date: 8/11/00 6:08 pm (ET) I think it was the uberposter who mentioned that Oliver Wood had never heard of basketball (altho' Hagrid knew that soccer football is very popular among Muggles) but nonetheless used golf ball for Harry's first lesson in Seeking. It occured to me that Oliver had no idea that those things were golf balls: he knew only that they were what Madam Hooch stocked for testing kids who wanted to train as Seekers. And Madam Hooch may not have had any idea that those thigs were golf balls: she may have known only that McGonagall had been supplying her with them for years (by Transfiguration, not by shopping in Muggle stores). Is it possible that Scots wizards (and witches?) play golf for the sake of ethnic identity? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: Differential Knowledge of Sports Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6651 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Differential Knowledge of Sports Reply To: [Yahoo! #6650] Differential Knowledge of Sports Date: 8/11/00 6:18 pm (ET) <<she may have known only that McGonagall had been supplying her with them for years (by transfiguration, not by shopping in Muggle stores). Of course! This explains why people lose their balls in the rough. Minerva McGolfaball has a little sideline going, supplying ill gotten golf balls to the wizarding community. On a similar note, I've suddenly twigged where all my odds socks have gone! Someone is selling them from a stall in Hogsmeade Market. I'm livid! Now, how about pens. Who takes those off my desk? Neil PS - Rita, it was me who posted that Oliver Wood thing, but I think it was in HPAnon, before the new regime kicked in. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:26:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:26:00 -0400 Subject: Dissapearing things Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6652 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Dissapearing things Reply To: [Yahoo! #6651] Re: Differential Knowledge of Sports Date: 8/11/00 6:26 pm (ET) "On a similar note, I've suddenly twigged where all my odds socks have gone! Someone is selling them from a stall in Hogsmeade Market. I'm livid!" I suggest you march up there and demand them back! "Now, how about pens. Who takes those off my desk?" The pen monster. It walks in and eats tehm while you are not looking. "PS - Rita, it was me who posted that Oliver Wood thing, but I think it was in HPAnon, before the new regime kicked in." I unsubscribed since I was getting too many messages with this and other clubs! I downloaded over 700 and I have only been away since Monday! Has something major happened over there then? Simon PS: All thoughts of catching the Uberposter have gone now. Neil must be well over 500 and rising rapidly! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 22:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Subject: A spell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6653 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: A spell... Date: 8/11/00 6:39 pm (ET) The Lovecraft Spell For lustful dreams about your favourite fictional man, tear a page from the book in which he appears, slice into ribbons with a dragon's claw and place in a shallow, brass dish. Sprinkle with saltpetre and ignite with a flaming torch. Place the dish by your bedside, slide between the sheets, and before your head touches the pillow, chant the following words: "FELLATIO FIGMENTOSA!" ... and let the fumes take you away. Neil From echomyst at yahoo.com Fri Aug 11 23:49:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: can't believe it... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6654 From: echomyst Subject: can't believe it... Date: 8/11/00 7:49 pm (ET) Anyone watched Jeopardy lately? Last night, the Final Jeopardy question was "which fictional character goes to a boarding school whose motto is draco dormiens nunquam titillandus, which means never tickle a sleeping dragon"? And none of them got it! Emily From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 00:03:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:03:00 -0400 Subject: Merchandise Madness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6655 From: babynick34 Subject: Merchandise Madness Date: 8/11/00 8:03 pm (ET) Oh they've done it now. Not only are the Warner Bros. official merchandise not available in the UK until near Christmas, but Warner Bros is not allowing their US licence holders to sell items over the net! Hallmark.com has a number of Harry Potter items now available in their US Stores. They are also featured on their site (see links at end of post). However, you can't purchase these items on-line. You can only get them from a store. A Hallmark representative told us (Broomsticks.org) that "Hallmark.com does not have the licensing rights to sell them online. We only have the rights to sell them at our retail stores." How silly is that. Surely if a company is given licensing rights to sell an item, then they can sell it - period. Obviously Warner Bros wants to stop us importing... got news for them, I can fly to the US, place a large order, and import in bulk if I so desired. The way things are going, I can see a grey market coming, trading in Harry Potter mechandise. I wonder who has the UK licence for these products - if anyone. Here are links: Harry Potter http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4381&CONTENT_TYPE=PR ODUCT Hedwig the Owl http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4394&CONTENT_TYPE=PR ODUCT Hermione Granger http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4391&CONTENT_TYPE=PR ODUCT Hogwarts Charms http://www.hallmark.com/hmk/Website/goto.jsp?CONTENT_KEY=QXE4404&CONTENT_TYPE=PR ODUCT Nick www.broomsticks.org From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 00:51:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Dreams & Fanfics; Favorite Non-Human Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6656 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Dreams & Fanfics; Favorite Non-Human Reply To: [Yahoo! #6578] Dreams & Fanfics; Favorite Non-Human Date: 8/11/00 8:51 pm (ET) Penny wrote: "Were you in the dream? I want to hear more . . . " Actually, it was more like seeing a PoU movie. After my initial reading of Ch. 1-12, I re-read up to Ch. 9 and went to sleep. And there it all was, right before my eyes. When I woke up wondering what was going to happen next, I knew I *had* to tell everyone I knew online that had a nodding acquaintance with HP all about it. What I'd like to see more of is fan art. I like Dogspoon's pics a whole lot. He's really captured the essence of the characters. Another artist whose work I admire can be seen in the UHPFC gallery--BJ. As far as the other dream I mentioned went, the "Darth Vader is chasing me" theme was recurring throughout my childhood. I was the main character, and Scooby and the gang was my supporting cast. Part of the perils of being born in the late 70s... 23 years ago today, to be exact. ;) Ebony AKA AngieJ From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 00:53:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6657 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Fawkes Date: 8/11/00 8:53 pm (ET) Hi all, I have a question that has probably been brought up, but after sooooo many messages I cant remember them all. Is Fawkes named after Guy Fawkes, the one that tried to blow up the Houses of Parliament in 1605? That would make sense. Excuse me once again if this has already been discussed. Shelly From jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 01:00:00 2000 From: jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com (jeanne_1013) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:00:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6658 From: jeanne_1013 Subject: Re: Fawkes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6657] Fawkes Date: 8/11/00 9:00 pm (ET) I'm pretty sure he was; I can't think of anything else from which to trace his name. Jeanne From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 01:17:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Wonderful review by reluctant reader Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6659 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Wonderful review by reluctant reader Reply To: [Yahoo! #6609] Wonderful review by reluctant reader... Date: 8/11/00 9:17 pm (ET) 'J.K. Rowling's Potter Books Have It Right' by Laura Sessions Stepp http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2188-2000Aug10.html Thanks for sharing this, Danemead. The last 3 English-Ed related conferences/seminars I've been to have contained RAVE sessions about the HP books. Her article lists the many reasons why these books will in short order be on every junior high reading list. There are two kinds of people who teach early adolescence: There's a joke about the first group: A middle school teacher died and went to Hell--it was three days before she realized that she'd changed locations. Then there are those like JKR, who remembers exactly what it was like to be 11-14, to go through the most difficult transition of your life, to feel all alone. No one seems to like preteens. JKR loves and understands them. So do the most effective teachers. So do the best parents. I know which category I'd like to fall in. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is at the midpoint of a DYNAMIC two-week intensive workshop for middle school Language Arts teachers) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 01:49:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: Writing without compromise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6660 From: selah_1977 Subject: Writing without compromise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6625] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 9:49 pm (ET) Penny wrote: "Maybe Ebony can weigh in on this some more -- but *are* there very many bildungsroman or "coming of age" series where the earliest books in the series are appropriate for younger readers but the later ones are not?" Good question. So good, in fact, that I'll bring it up to the roomful of master middle school English teachers I'm spending the last 2 weeks of summer vacation with. <g> The "coming of age" series, as a genre, is kind of outdated. What I've been told as an apprentice writer is that in today's modern publishing world, it's very difficult to cross the Age Line. JKR has crossed it without trying to. So has Judy Blume. Most other so-called children's writers fail in the adult market. Cross-age interest fiction is seen as a risk to publishers. Most of the series that I'm familiar with were published prior to c. 1960. So JKR has the advantage of innovation due to her talent and popularity. Related historical example: My personal favorite children's series author is Lucy Maud Montgomery. She follows three of her heroines (Anne Shirley, Emily Byrd Starr, and Patricia Gardner) for a combined 13 books and 15+ years of each woman's life. Anne's entire life is chronicled from age 11 to age 53. LMM expresses her frustration at having to write "girl's series" in her Journals, which have in recent years been made public. She wished to make her later Anne novels more realistic, but her publishers wanted more juvenile themes--and were convinced her readership did too. Her desire to write truly adult fiction was never fulfilled b/c she was stuck with the AoGG label. My hope is that JKR stands firm and writes the story that is inside her. I hope she doesn't compromise anything just b/c some feel that a nine year old should read Book 7. My two thousand Galleons-- Ebony AKA AngieJ (who always tells her students that their opinions are much more valuable that two cents) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 02:09:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:09:00 -0400 Subject: Canon (was The darker side of HP) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6661 From: selah_1977 Subject: Canon (was The darker side of HP) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6627] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 10:09 pm (ET) Heidi wrote: "I am now curious to learn more about how Peter Pan - officially, a story for children, and one of the few "new" fairy tales of the post-Hans Christian Andersen era" was received... I think it's safe to say that the HP phenomenon is unique. The most shocking thing is the fact that for once, the hype doesn't even begin to explain the value of the books. The HP series (at least the first four books) will be classics--the gatekeepers who decide upon the children's literature canon have decided upon it. I *wish* you guys could sit in on some of these conferences I've been attending. Ph.Ds twice and three times my age will drone on about Lois Lowry (excellent writer), Madeleine L'Engle (masterful), Walter Dean Myers (one of my all-time favorites), etc. And then they get to J.K. Rowling and her Harry Potter. Their faces LIGHT UP like flashlights. This happened this week Wednesday--one of our instructors used SS as a read-aloud example, and recited two pages from "The Keeper of the Keys" *from memory*. I've never seen educators so excited about a book in my entire life. As for me, I've already asked my advisor about the feasibility of JKR as a thesis subject. He was more than receptive and even suggested two angles--JKR as cultural phenomenon (to be expanded into my kidlit Ph.D. program) or a comparative lit study of JKR and LMM, or JKR and Lewis Carroll. I'm still not 100% decided yet... All I know is that she's in The Club. This has happened before, but I can't remember if it was on this scale. Many 19th century writers and poets were wildly popular--Lord Byron and Dickens come to mind. Shakespeare (who was *not* Christopher Marlowe or anyone else but William Shakespeare from Stratford-upon-Avon) was Elizabethan England's Steven Spielberg. Enough rambling... I'm tipsy from birthday dinner, and am getting carried away! Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 02:20:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: A spell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6662 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: A spell... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6653] A spell... Date: 8/11/00 10:20 pm (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/11/00 6:39 pm "The Lovecraft Spell" Bet you won't find THAT in the Standard Book of Spells--Grade 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, *or* 7! Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is spell-illiterate right now) From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 02:30:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:30:00 -0400 Subject: A spell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6663 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: A spell... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6662] Re: A spell... Date: 8/11/00 10:30 pm (ET) You know you're a fanatic when.... You read the "Lovecraft Spell" and start wondering if anyone has Dragon claws for sale on ebay... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 02:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: A spell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6664 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: A spell... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6653] A spell... Date: 8/11/00 10:56 pm (ET) > The Lovecraft Spell With *that* name, the dream character should turn into an eldritch monster of vaguely reptilian ancestry. > For lustful dreams about your favourite fictional man No spell is needed (at least not for pre-menopausal females at the "white pole" of monthly cycle): just re-read the chapter in which he is most attractive a couple of times before falling asleep! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 02:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: More: Re: A spell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6665 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: More: Re: A spell... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6653] A spell... Date: 8/11/00 10:57 pm (ET) > Sprinkle with saltpetre Wouldn't that have the *opposite* effect? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:00:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: Writing without compromise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6666 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Writing without compromise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6660] Writing without compromise Date: 8/11/00 11:00 pm (ET) > My two thousand Galleons-- > Ebony AKA AngieJ (who always tells her students that their opinions are much more valuable that two cents) Does anyone know how the phrase 'two cents worth' originated (a Brit on another list said 'my tuppence worth'). Could it have been the price of a stamp with which to write a Letter to the Editor? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:02:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Alchemy and Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6667 From: Danemead Subject: Alchemy and Harry Potter Date: 8/11/00 11:02 pm (ET) Now I've seen everything... I was surprised and pleased that Harry Potter has been discussed on another author discussion list that I belong to. But tonight, there is a message on a discussion list for ALCHEMY recommending the reading of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" and how wonderful it was to see alchemy being introduced to the younger generation. Geeeeez -- J.K. Rowling MUST be a magician in disguise. This kind of cross-cultural, cross-generational, cross-professional acceptance is unprecedented, I think. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:06:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Movie news (Ian Holm is Bilbo) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6668 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Movie news (Ian Holm is Bilbo) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6635] Re: Movie news (Ian Holm is Bilbo) Date: 8/11/00 11:06 pm (ET) You know, when I posted that I didn't think it sounded quite right, thanks for the correction. The information was from a movie site where they had clearly mislabeled a photograph of McKellen with Holmes last name. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:12:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:12:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6669 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6625] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/11/00 11:12 pm (ET) >>Maybe Ebony can weigh in on this some more -- but *are* there very many bildungsroman or "coming of age" series where the earliest books in the series are appropriate for younger readers but the later ones are not?<< If you feel like counting The Hobbit, then one could make the case for Tolkien's 3 (4) book series being just such an example. The Hobbit is generally easier reading, less dark and dreadful and more suited for younger children. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is definitely something they would graduate to when they get older. Then again, I read them all when I was 11. So much for that theory. :-) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:14:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6670 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #6633] Hagrid's Wand Date: 8/11/00 11:14 pm (ET) > IMHO, all of these things together make a great case for Hagrid still having his wand, hiding it in the umbrella, and using it to perform magic. We all agree that the wand is in the umbrella. The debate is about whether Hagrid was telling the truth when he said it was snapped in two 'but I still have the pieces' and thus the wand in his umbrella is in two pieces, held together by Spellotape, string, or a metal tube around them acting as the umbrella's center shaft or was he lying and the wand was never snapped at all. I suggested a compromise: that the wand was snapped in two, but Dumbledore repaired it with a tap of his wand, as Arthur repaired Harry's glasses, but no one is going for it. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:16:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:16:00 -0400 Subject: Writing without compromise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6671 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Writing without compromise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6666] Re: Writing without compromise Date: 8/11/00 11:16 pm (ET) It comes from poker, the older phrase being "put my two bits in" for anting up. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:22:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6672 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #6670] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 8/11/00 11:22 pm (ET) >>I suggested a compromise: that the wand was snapped in two, but Dumbledore repaired it with a tap of his wand, as Arthur repaired Harry's glasses, but no one is going for it.<< I have no doubt Dumbedore is away of Hagrid's continued possession and use of his wand, but I'd have to agree with others that Dumbledore probably hasn't helped him repair. Although now that the truth about Hagrid's innocence 50 years ago is clear, I'm still surprised they haven't honorarily graduated him as a wizard or something. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:28:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:28:00 -0400 Subject: Been listening to the audio, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6673 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Been listening to the audio, Reply To: [Yahoo! #6648] By any other Name... Date: 8/11/00 11:28 pm (ET) and laughing my head off! Is it just me, or do things seem more humorous when read by Jim? The chessmen yelling back is the latest thing to set me off lol'ing! :) Dee From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:37:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:37:00 -0400 Subject: broomsticks.org (was: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6674 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: broomsticks.org (was: Movie news Reply To: [Yahoo! #6631] Re: Movie news Date: 8/11/00 11:37 pm (ET) > I've uploaded some small pictures to the photo album (HP Movie Images) so that those of you who do not know what Gloucester Cathedral looks like can see what it. If you want to see a larger image of the Cloisters - then I've uploaded one to the Broomsticks server. http://www.broomsticks.org Nick, your site takes *for-ab-so-lute-ly-ever* to load! (and I have cable modem: broadband). Are you on the civilised world's slowest server, or just have the least optimised site? Here is a suggestion phrased as a command: Put the castle pictures you posted on hpa (messages #1193 and #1287) on your site, with the note about the one near JKR's home. Put the castle picture from HPfG message #6499 on your site. That magicalharrypotter site also has three more pictures of Gloucester Cathedral, and the news article whose link is in message#6466 has a nice picture of Gloucester Cathedral glowing golden in the sunlight. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Invisible Cloaks...... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6675 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Invisible Cloaks...... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6650] Differential Knowledge of Sports Date: 8/11/00 11:38 pm (ET) Rare and valuable are the two terms mentioned about the cloak, but we see both Harry and Couch Jr. running about with one. We also see that the majority of the faculty seem to be able to tell when Harry is wearing (Moody, Snape, Dumbledore...) One has to wonder if that's because they went to school with James, or gave the cloak, or just know it's being used? If it's so rare, how do they know? From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:39:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Been listening to the audio, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6676 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Been listening to the audio, Reply To: [Yahoo! #6673] Been listening to the audio, Date: 8/11/00 11:39 pm (ET) Yes, Dee, the Jim Dale tapes are great. I'm off to Germany in the morning, and should make it about 3/4 of the way through the GOF tapes before I get there. Have see if I can find a copy of the German books over there. I think it's best said that Jim dosen't just read the books he does Perform them. Dennis From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 03:51:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:51:00 -0400 Subject: Been listening to the audio, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6677 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Been listening to the audio, Reply To: [Yahoo! #6673] Been listening to the audio, Date: 8/11/00 11:51 pm (ET) > and laughing my head off! Is it just me, or do things seem more humorous when read by Jim? Either things are more obvious when read by Jim, or Tim is a lot more perceptive than me. I've mentioned that I got the audiotapes for Tim to listen to in the car so that he would know what I'm always going on about. I mentioned in Book 1 when he heard Draco challenge Harry to a duel at midnight in the trophy room, he promptly told me that Draco had no intention of being there and was only luring Harry out after curfew so that he could tip off Filch, and I said: "How did you know?!" and he said "It's obvious". Now he's near the beginning of PoA, on the train before the Dementors arrive. He told me last night that Sirius Black is a wrongly convicted innocent man. I said, Oh, you got that from all that fanfic about sexy Sirius, heroic Sirius, angsty Sirius, that you've been reading. He denied having read fanfic about Sirius (he *is* reading some Hot Stuff about Hermione and Ginny!), saying that it is simply obvious that when JKR goes on at such length to tell us that Sirius Black is a convicted mass murderer, she's setting us up. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 04:55:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: First Confirmed Cast Members for Movie! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6678 From: angelx_ph Subject: First Confirmed Cast Members for Movie! Date: 8/12/00 12:55 am (ET) Here is a short from the Movie and TV News section of the IMDb: Richard Harris For Harry Potter Movie Former movie hellraiser Richard Harris is to cast a spell in the first ever Harry Potter movie. The Gladiator (2000) actor has been picked to play the role of the Hogwarts headmaster in the Hollywood version of J.K. Rowling's best-seller, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001). Harris will play Dumbledore, the wizard who shields Harry from his arch enemy Lord Voldemort. The search is still underway to find a young actor to play Harry himself. And Alan Rickman is to play the mysterious Professor Snape, who teaches potions to young Potter. Excellent choices, may I add. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 04:56:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:56:00 -0400 Subject: More on Potter games Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6679 From: brooksindy Subject: More on Potter games Date: 8/12/00 12:56 am (ET) http://news.excite.com/news/zd/000811/18/aol-a-winning (AOL a key to Electronic Arts Winning Rights to Harry Potter game) http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2541670,00.html (Harry Potter game may be first game for next generation Nintendo) From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:01:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6680 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6262] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/12/00 1:01 am (ET) thank you for your very thoughtful comments..I agree 100% 49 year old parent of a 3 and 1 year old From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:04:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:04:00 -0400 Subject: I love the audiotapes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6681 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: I love the audiotapes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6677] Re: Been listening to the audio, Date: 8/12/00 1:04 am (ET) I really love the audiotapes. I read the 1st book and I really like it but ........ I must say I really fell in love with the books on the audiotapes. Jim Dale is the best reader I have every heard. I gave the audios to one of my friends, she read three of the books before and said she would give the audios a chance. After a few chapters, she said "WOW!!!! Audio is the way to go." Funny, she tried to read the and listen at the same time. She told me "I can't cheat! I have to read the book too." I told her she was crazy and would miss out on a great reader that way. But she gave it a try. After a chapter or two she said "I can't do both. I rather just listen. He's too gooooooood!" Funny, thats just the way I felt. <|8~) YMEK From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:14:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6682 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6643] RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowling Date: 8/12/00 1:14 am (ET) During this book she mention a "nasty" female character in book four. Someone remind me who would this "nasty" female character be????? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:21:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6683 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6682] Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Date: 8/12/00 1:21 am (ET) Rita Skeeter From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:24:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Remember the Rumors about Book IV? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6684 From: brooksindy Subject: Remember the Rumors about Book IV? Date: 8/12/00 1:24 am (ET) This is a hint spoiler if you;ve not read book IV. Space Space Space Space Space Snape Space Space Space One of them was that the new DADA instructor was going to be "really scary". How many of us remembered this as we were reading along about Moody, and decided that he was a good guy who was just scary in appearance? or did we forget this completely? He certainly did turn out to be very scary in the end, didn't he! From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 05:32:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6685 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6683] Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Date: 8/12/00 1:32 am (ET) AAAAAWWWWWW!!!!! I seeeee!!!! I really didn't think of her. I was thinking along the lines of a deatheater or a follower of the Lord V. Thanks YMEK From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 06:14:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:14:00 -0400 Subject: Hats - Latest Evidence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6686 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Hats - Latest Evidence Date: 8/12/00 2:14 am (ET) Yeah, I stole the subject line from, um, two weeks ago. In CoS, Harry and Ron arrive at school and are looking through a window into the Great Hall and see the Sorting. "Through the forest of pointed black Hogwarts hats, Harry saw [the first-years, including Ginny]". From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 08:04:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:04:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6687 From: ausclub7 Subject: small mistake Date: 8/12/00 4:04 am (ET) harry potter being a very 'in depth' sort of series, i feel that JKR is somewhat bogged down by her own mythology! anyway what im trying to say is that JKR puts in details that, because theres so much too the books, dont really 'fit'. an example of this is the timeline of harry potter... chronologically, COS takes place in 1992 (we know this cause of nick's deathday party), so therefore PS/SS takes place in 1991. In SS, Harrys 11th birthday, on the 31st of July, takes place on a Tuesday... but the 31st of July, 1991, took place on a Wednesday. Or perhaps this is just me being clever and obsessive :) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 08:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:29:00 -0400 Subject: (Lovecraft Spell) Saltpetre Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6688 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: (Lovecraft Spell) Saltpetre Reply To: [Yahoo! #6665] More: Re: A spell... Date: 8/12/00 4:29 am (ET) > Sprinkle with saltpetre >>> Wouldn't that have the *opposite* effect? I guess you're referring to the supposed medicinal properties of saltpetre (potassium nitrate) as a suppressant of sexual desire? This is a misconception. Saltpetre is more commonly known as an ingredient of gunpowder - and you only need to sprinkle a *bit* on the shreds of paper. Neil is awed by Catlady's insight From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 08:35:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:35:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6689 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #6620] Re: Fanfic Date: 8/12/00 4:35 am (ET) <<then there is the Harry's opponent in this story...a truly evil gal (who resembles Angelina Jolie in a black cat suit...that might make it worth your while, Neil) That did it. I *love* black catsuits! Okay, Carole, you've convinced me. I'll start reading PoU this weekend (along with the FAQ message scanning, writing the lead-off summaries for next week, listening to CoS on CD etc). Hmmm - where did my regular life go? Neil From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 08:41:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:41:00 -0400 Subject: A question for parents. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6690 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: A question for parents. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6262] Re: A question for parents. Date: 8/12/00 4:41 am (ET) Thank you for the excellent post. Your insight reminds me of a conflict I had when I was an avid student of spirituality. Occasionally I'd run across something I thought was particularly insightful, something I'd want to share; and would question myself about whether the people I'd want to share it with were "ready" to receive it. It took me a while to learn that everyone has their own level of understanding. It's impossible (and somewhat arrogant) to attempt to determine what someone else will accept or reject. Children, I'm learning, are no different; they're smarter than I give them credit for. Fortunately, JKR has a better understanding of people (children, in particular) than I do! Thanks for the reminder. (Father of girls 8, 4, 4, and 8 mo.) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 09:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:30:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6691 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: more on tuppence Reply To: [Yahoo! #6666] Re: Writing without compromise Date: 8/12/00 5:30 am (ET) <<Does anyone know how the phrase 'two cents worth' originated (a Brit on another list said 'my tuppence worth'). Could it have been the price of a stamp with which to write a Letter to the Editor?>> In the region (and era) I come from, we'd say 'my two pen'orth', meaning 'my two pennies' worth'. It's the sort of phrase Hagrid might use, if he was remotely familiar with Muggle money, whcih he isn't. Tuppence is cuter though. Being anciet enough, I have fond memories of a pre-decimalisation British coin called a 'threepence' or 'threepenny bit' (pronounced 'thruppence/threppance' or 'thrup-nee bit'). It was gold-coloured and multi-sided and seemed to have far more value than just three pennies. Neil My two pen'orth From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 09:30:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:30:00 -0400 Subject: broomsticks.org (was: Movie news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6692 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: broomsticks.org (was: Movie news Reply To: [Yahoo! #6674] Re: broomsticks.org (was: Movie news Date: 8/12/00 5:30 am (ET) >Nick, your site takes *for-ab-so-lute-ly-ever* to load! (and I have cable modem: broadband). Are you on the civilised world's slowest server, or just have the least optimised site? It's fine here using 56K dialup. Maybe there was a network fault at the time you visited... or it was very busy - Though the images could do with some compression, that might speed it up a little. >Put the castle pictures you posted on hpa (messages #1193 and #1287) on your site, with the note about the one near JKR's home. Ok... I know the castle you mean... though I've lost the messages. If you have those messages, can you email them to me - just to check I've got the right place. >Put the castle picture from HPfG message #6499 on your site. That magicalharrypotter site also has three more pictures of Gloucester Cathedral, and the news article whose link is in message#6466 has a nice picture of Gloucester Cathedral glowing golden in the sunlight. Oh... better check that one out. However, I expect those images will be copyrighted to some newspaper, so little risky putting them on the site. Nick. From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 09:42:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:42:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6693 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: more on tuppence Reply To: [Yahoo! #6691] Re: more on tuppence Date: 8/12/00 5:42 am (ET) I have in my possession letters dating from the 1950s in envelopes bearing twopenny (pronounced tuppenny) stamps. Predecimalisation (ah yes, those were the days when LSD meant something quite different from what it does today) two pence was written 2d as opposed to decimal 2p. So I guess that could have been the start - the price of a stamp. That's my 26p worth (first class stamp) or 20p worth (second class stamp). From hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 11:43:00 2000 From: hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com (hermione_granger78) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:43:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6694 From: hermione_granger78 Subject: Re: small mistake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6687] small mistake Date: 8/12/00 7:43 am (ET) WOW! I thought I looked too closely at it hehehe!! Thats cool!! I noticed also that in PS/SS at the beginning when Hagrid brings Harry to Dumbledore and McGonagall he then says he has to return the bike to Sirius Black... yet in POA he says that Sirius told him NOT to bring the bike back! So where was Hagrid off in such a hurry after he dropped Harry off at the Dursleys? huh? huh? From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 11:56:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: Wonderful review (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6695 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Wonderful review (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6659] Re: Wonderful review by reluctant reader Date: 8/12/00 7:56 am (ET) >>There are two kinds of people who teach early adolescence: There's a joke about the first group: A middle school teacher died and went to Hell--it was three days before she realized that she'd changed locations.<< ROFL! Thanks Ebony! I'm going back to school this year to get my teaching certificate, and am contemplating Middle School. Everyone thinks I'm crazy, but I remember those great 7th & 8th grade teachers that turned me on to reading etc. Reading, and re-reading these Harry Potter books is what has inspired me to FINALLY get my teaching certificate, so I too can turn kids onto reading! I LOVED the Post article. Sam D. :) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 12:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:38:00 -0400 Subject: Disapearing things Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6696 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Disapearing things Reply To: [Yahoo! #6652] Re: Dissapearing things Date: 8/12/00 8:38 am (ET) One house I was living in, we searched the whole house to locate the keys for the car. (This happened more than once, so there was a pattern) My friend was very certain she has placed them on the coffee table, and I knew she was telling the truth, for I watched her do it when we came in and crashed onto the sofa and overstuffed matching chair. When we got up again to move, the keys were gone, and neither of us knew what had happened. After searching the house I got a momentary idea--I turned the chair over and inside the lining (NOT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE GONE IF THEY FELL THROUGH THE CUSHIONS, BTW) were the keys. It happened a few more times, and we began to suspect a Peeves-type of lurking about--wouldn't have been surprised. Everytime things disappeared, they appeared in the lining of that chair! From potterpotty at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 13:25:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:25:00 -0400 Subject: May I ask you guys to do something 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6697 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: May I ask you guys to do something 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #197] May I ask you guys to do something 4 me? Date: 8/12/00 9:25 am (ET) Hi, I'm a new member from Singapore and I've been going through various messages posted in this club. I guess this response may not be relevant now as it was months ago that this request was posted but I thought you might be interested to know a little about the reaction to HP books in this part of the world. Harry Potter books are selling extremely well here in Singapore. In fact, they are about the best selling books listed in the "Children's Books" category. All four books have been on the best selling list for weeks and weeks in the major bookstores, particularly after the launch of GoF. The books have received alot of publicity and it is interesting to note that so far, I have read of one negative report in the papers. Just today in fact (12 Aug 2000), it was reported that a principal from a well known school here has banned the books from the school and is strongly recommending that the books should not even be read at home, because of the sorcery theme! As for myself, I am an adult in my 30s and I thorougly enjoy the entire series which I have re-read a couple of times. I only started with it because another adult friend recommended it and once I did get started, I couldn't stop. I read the first 3 books continuously over 3 days, before GoF was released. It was as if I were watching a movie in my mind as I read. The descriptions were vivid, the plots exciting and importantly not predictable, and the characters, endearing. I'm not even basically a fiction reader or do I normally read books of such genre. Yet, the books captured my imagination like none other. I wait in eager anticipation for Book 5 and will indeed be sorry when Book 7 is finally released. As I have yet to go through all the various messages, I wonder if anyone has started speculating about the plot of Book 5 ? It would be interesting to see how our members' opinions match up to the actual plot which we will only know in a year's time. Cheers From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:03:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: JKR pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6698 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: JKR pics Date: 8/12/00 10:03 am (ET) Hey folks, what's the best format for saving pics that you want to post? I have two great ones from the two-part Entertainment Weekly interview, and I want to share them. ~Kaitlin From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:06:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:06:00 -0400 Subject: The darker side of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6699 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: The darker side of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6669] Re: The darker side of HP Date: 8/12/00 10:06 am (ET) By: Cepheus42 Date: 8/11/00 11:12 pm <<<If you feel like counting The Hobbit, then one could make the case for Tolkien's 3 (4) book series being just such an example. The Hobbit is generally easier reading, less dark and dreadful and more suited for younger children. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is definitely something they would graduate to when they get older.<<<<< You were most likely an 11 year old who read above grade level. I'm almost certain that the Lord of the Rings series is at reading level 7.5 or higher. I've never seen Tolkien on any reading list below seventh grade. Harry and the other series I mentioned are a couple of grades lower (I think). Again, I'll check on Monday when the conference resumes. Parental discretion is the key. From the looks of it, 11 year olds enjoyed GoF, and are able to handle the themes. Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:19:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:19:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6700 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: small mistake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6694] Re: small mistake Date: 8/12/00 10:19 am (ET) > in PS/SS at the beginning when Hagrid brings Harry to Dumbledore and McGonagall he then says he has to return the bike to Sirius Black... yet in POA he says that Sirius told him NOT to bring the bike back! This was discussed one time before GoF came out, and some people agreed that Hagrid is the kind of person who can't tell the difference between what a person said and he what he *thinks* they meant. Thus, when Sirius lent him the bike and told him not to worry about bringing it back, Hagrid, knowing how much Sirius *loved* that bike and not knowing that Sirius planned to die avenging his friends, Hagrid just ignored what Sirius had said and went by what he *thought* Sirius meant ("I want my bike back but I'm too nice to tell you so in these circumstances"). Later, when Hagrid "knew" that Sirius was a mass murderer, he remembered what Sirius had said but understood it to mean "I have committed a terrible crime and am about to fly from the law, so there's no point to bringing the bike back because I won't be here." From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:26:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Lessons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6701 From: triner2001 Subject: Apparating Lessons Date: 8/12/00 10:26 am (ET) How and Where do folks learn to Apparate and Disapparate? Since, as Ms. Hermione has *often* reminded us, no one can disapparate or apparate on Hogwarts lands, they obviously can't learn it at school. And during the summers underage wizards are "forbidden" from using magic (although we have seen evidence to the contrary) so they must not do it as a summer class. Percy only learned the summer after leaving school. So who taught him? Mr. Weasley? Or is there an after-Hogwarts session on Apparating that interested 7th years can take? Trina From joy0823 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 14:31:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:31:00 -0400 Subject: JKR pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6702 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: JKR pics Reply To: [Yahoo! #6698] JKR pics Date: 8/12/00 10:31 am (ET) JPEGs (*.jpg) usually work best for the Web. The file size is small, but the quality of the image doesn't really get compromised. Hope this helps! ~Joy~ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 15:29:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6703 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: more on tuppence Reply To: [Yahoo! #6693] Re: more on tuppence Date: 8/12/00 11:29 am (ET) > I have in my possession letters dating from the 1950s in envelopes bearing twopenny (pronounced tuppenny) stamps. In the 1950s, US postage for a first-class letter was 3 cents. In those day, the pound was worth something like $2.80 American (a shock to my mother, who had grown up believing that a pound was worth five dollars). I'm not good at arithmetic, but it seems that UK postage was much higher than US postage ... I did a Web search in an attempt to find out if I really remember 3 cent postage or am just imagining it (I was born in November 1957 and postage went up to four cents, then five cents, and I do remember eight cent stamps -- the Robert Indiana LOVE stamp was an eight cent stamp) and found a lot of people saying they were putting in their 'three cents worth', but not the information that I was looking for. > Predecimalisation two pence was written 2d d for 'denarius', the Roman coin who gave its name to 'dinero' and 'dinar'. The US old Mercury head dime with fasces on the back was modelled on the Roman denarius. (L was librum, one pound (weight), related to French 'livre' (also meaning 'book', a source of puns) and Italian 'lira'.) I had better luck Web searching for the value of a denarius: "Small coins were pretty valuable then. Silver and gold were rare and valuable metals and the coins were valued for the metal they contained. In Greek and Roman times, silver coins the size of a dime that are common today were worth a full day's pay for a laborer (and most workers were laborers). So, that might be, say, $40 in today's money. You could support yourself and a small family on that. You could buy enough wheat for 25 pounds of bread or 10 pounds of olive oil (28,000 calories of nutrition!) with one small silver coin (a denarius)." Quite a come-down from that to one American dime or British Old Penny! > That's my 26p worth (first class stamp) 33c. As far as I can tell, the US postage stayed at three cents for one hundred years and then went up 11-fold in 40 years, with another increase planned for next year. From hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 15:34:00 2000 From: hermione_granger78 at yahoo.com (hermione_granger78) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6704 From: hermione_granger78 Subject: Re: small mistake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6700] Re: small mistake Date: 8/12/00 11:34 am (ET) Hmmm yeah I get what you mean... hmmm... thanks for clearing that up for me.. :o) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 15:42:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 (major Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6705 From: estesrandy Subject: Book 5 (major Spoilers) Date: 8/12/00 11:42 am (ET) This is in answer to someone else's request to predict the story of book 5. s p o i l e r s f o r y o u Voldemort rounds up the troups and starts his assault on the Wizard World. Lucius uses his influence to infect the Ministry of Magic with bad ideas. Fudge follows all of these bad ideas until Arthur Weasley starts to fight back with the reluctant help of his son Percy and the willing help of Charlie and Bill. Bagman turns out to be a really bad guy afterall. Harry gets into hot water because rumors fly that he was responsible for the death of Cedric. Hermione and Ron start to pair up gradually which isolates Harry for part of the book. Cho resents Harry at first because she starts to believe the rumors about his killing Cedric (or at least that he is somehow responsible). Harry feels torn between his own feelings of guilt for the death of Cedric because he asked him to touch the cup with him! Harry longs to be close to Cho but has to deal with all of this guilt and suspicion. At the end of the book his name is cleared againg and Cho begins to like him again. The Malfoys become exposed partially by Arthur Weasley which puts him in danger of Voldemort's wrath. The House of Slytherin alumni try to use Snape's influence and position to undermine the power of Dumbledore. This causes major internal struggles for Snape who must maintain his cover and still remain loyal to Prof Dumbledore. Hagrid trys to learn more Wizard charms by taking after school classes from Prof. McGonagal. She becomes smitten with him and a slight romance develops (really stretching here...just thought it would be interesting). McGonagal is attacked by Death Eaters but Hagrid saves her with his newly learned magical powers. One of his beasts finishes off one of the bad guys. Harry learns that his parents were undercover agents for the Ministry of Magic. Moody tells him a few tales about his fathers life after Hogwarts. The real Moody that is. Moody takes Harry under his wing to prepare him for future battles with Voldemort. Wormtail starts to question his obedience to Voldemort after the embarrassment caused by the escape of Harry from the graveyard. A few of the more intelligient Death Eaters also start to wonder about this powerful but not too bright leader of theirs! Hogwarts is under attack by the Death Eaters. Slytherin students are caught in the middle by their allegiance to their families who are involved in the Dark Side. The Professors must somehow manage the stressful situation. Ron Weasley and Neville develop stronger roles in this book. Neville gains more confidence in his magic. Ron starts to become bolder to win the affections of Hermione. Ginny becomes the great women behind the man for Neville and helps him feel his inner strengths. Neville starts to become one of Harry's team. The beginnings of the followers of Harry who must eventually do battle with Voldemort and his band of baddies. The first tests come at the schoolyard against Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle who are still smarting from the incident on the train. The first incident occurs at Hogsmeade during Halloween. Dumbledore is under constant attack from the MOM via Fudge and Lucius. Snape learns a few lessons in humility from his dealings with the bad guys. He starts to realize that he could be great if he went over to the Dark Side. Snape becomes torn between looking good for the bad guys and doing the work of Dumbledore since Dumbledore starts to fall out of favor. Dumbledore starts to show off his real powers and Snape returns to his allegiance to him. Have I started enough ideas for you guys to tear this apart yet? Give me some feedback , OK? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 15:58:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Lessons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6706 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Apparating Lessons Reply To: [Yahoo! #6701] Apparating Lessons Date: 8/12/00 11:58 am (ET) >How and Where do folks learn to Apparate and Disapparate? Maybe they can't in Hogwarts, but I bet they can in Hogsmeade or a little further away.... older students probably get field trips for several reasons, not just this, for that matter. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 16:58:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: Just Finished Goblet of Fire!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6707 From: mkplummer Subject: Just Finished Goblet of Fire!!! Date: 8/12/00 12:58 pm (ET) Wow. I finally finished GOF last night. What an ending! For some reason I was really moved by the graveyard happenings and the death of Cedric. This was really *heavy* stuff, and I felt so sorry for Harry - on fourteen-year-old should have to go through such horrible stuff like that. The book's ending was very ominous. It really affected me very deeply - especiall the part when Harry is in the hospital and nearly starts crying when Mrs. Weasley holds him. Rowling has gone very serious with this last novel. It was not what I was expecting at all. Not that I am complaining, but I was very affected by it all. Marion From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:09:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6708 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Reply To: [Yahoo! #6682] Re: RealAudio interview with J.K. Rowlin Date: 8/12/00 1:09 pm (ET) <<During this book she mention a "nasty" female character in book four. Someone remind me who would this "nasty" female character be????? >> I thought at first it would be Fleur, since she started out with that snobby, prima-donna attitude. Also, the character's name "according to rumor" was supposed to be Icicle, and Fleur's appearance best matches that name. After reading the whole book, however, I think it's more likely Rita Skeeter. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:12:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:12:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6709 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6563] Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/12/00 1:12 pm (ET) I have noticed that many things that apprear in a particular HP novel are later brought up again in another HP book. Many of the characters we have met in GOF (including the foreign students) and the whole SPEW event, could very well show up in later books. I find the JKR does not "forget" about certain characters or events, that they do show up later on. Harry did not learn anything new about his past in GOF - but I think all the details about his past had been fleshed out in the earlier three novels, the rest of the books will probably be about the fight against Voldermort. I do agree that at 700+ pages all it really came down to was a duel with Voldermort and his return. But those 700+ pages were delightful! It's not just about the plot, but about the characters and their daily lives that are so interesting. It adds flavor. Marion From mkplummer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:29:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:29:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6710 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6529] Race in HP Date: 8/12/00 1:29 pm (ET) I rejoice in the diversity shown in the HP series. I especially enjoyed the diversity of races that turned up at the Quidditch World Cup game in GOF. Marion From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:31:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:31:00 -0400 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6711 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 1:31 pm (ET) Folks, Spoilers below if you haven't read The Goblet of Fire yet .... Will confess that I've read GOF 2 times now. The second time around, I caught so much more. Did others catch these? What do you think they mean? (1) "Arabella Figg" is referred to at the end of the book by Dumbledore in a list of "the old crowd" that Sirius Black is supposed to alert about Voldemort's regeneration. Now, early in the book, we are reminded of the Mrs. Figg who watched Harry when the Dursley's went away. This comes up when Mr. Weasley asks for Harry's help setting up a tent, and Harry of course was never taken camping by the Dursleys because he was left with Mrs. Figg. Then, after setting up the tent, we are told that its interior is reminiscent Mrs. Figg's house. Unfortunately, my copy of "Sorceror's Stone" is lent out, so I can't go back to review what was written about Mrs. Figg in the 1st book. I presume that: (a) Dumbledore had her in place to keep Harry protected when the Dursley's aren't around. (Remember, as long as he's with the Dursleys, he's safe from Voldemort, so Dumbledore would want him protected when he couldn't be with the Dursleys). (b) We will learn more about Mrs. Figg in later books. (2) Which of Harry's parents died first? In the "Prisoner of Askaban", I got the impression that James Potter dies first, and then Lily after him. However, it is James who comes out of Voldemort's wand first when V's wand is in "priori incatatem". What does this mean? Was James only "Stupendified" when Lily was killed and fought V before V tried to kill Harry? Perhaps there is no significance to this, but I found it surprising since I had a different order of events in my mind. I suppose one of the mysteries that will be cleared up in Book 7 is exactly why V went after the Potters and the details of their deaths. (3) What does the "momentary gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes mean when Harry tells him how V was able to touch Harry as a result of using Harry's blood as part of the spell in his regeneration? This is downright disturbing. Are we to become suspicious of Dumbledore? Jim From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:37:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Disapearing things Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6712 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Disapearing things Reply To: [Yahoo! #6696] Re: Disapearing things Date: 8/12/00 1:37 pm (ET) <<My friend was very certain she has placed them on the coffee table, and I knew she was telling the truth, for I watched her do it when we came in and crashed onto the sofa and overstuffed matching chair. When we got up again to move, the keys were gone, and neither of us knew what had happened. After searching the house I got a momentary idea--I turned the chair over and inside the lining (NOT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE GONE IF THEY FELL THROUGH THE CUSHIONS, BTW) were the keys. It happened a few more times, and we began to suspect a Peeves-type of lurking about--wouldn't have been surprised. Everytime things disappeared, they appeared in the lining of that chair! >> Maybe that's a modification of the shrinking keys Mr. Weasley mentioned in CoS (which shrink to nothing when a muggle is looking for them). These might be shrinking, moving, and regrowing keys. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: newpointatend(was:InterestingThingsGo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6713 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re:newpointatend(was:InterestingThingsGo Reply To: [Yahoo! #6711] (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 1:56 pm (ET) New point is second-third paragraph of my text. > Spoilers below if you haven't read The Goblet of Fire yet .... If you go on the Web and go to the Web site for this Yahoo Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups you can read the archived messages (see the button on the left side that says "Messages"). Depending on how far you go back, you will find one ton of discussion (actually, the same discussion repeated one ton of times) about your questions 2 and 3. If you go back far enough, you will find the discussion of your point 1. At that time, I pointed out that Mundungus Fletcher is listed as one of "the old crowd", but mentioned early in the book as filing a claim for loss of a twelve-room tent with jacuzzi when Percy knew perfectly well that he'd been sleeping under a cloak propped up on sticks. In my current re-read of CoS, in chapter "The Burrow", Mr. Weasley returns home exhausted after a night at work and says "And old Mundungus Fletcher tried to put a hex on me when I had my back turned." Old Mundungus (combination of Mundane and Dung?) sounds like a real prize, all right. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:58:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6714 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6711] (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 1:58 pm (ET) (3) What does the "momentary gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes mean when Harry tells him how V was able to touch Harry as a result of using Harry's blood as part of the spell in his regeneration? This is downright disturbing. Are we to become suspicious of Dumbledore? I also noticed this and it is VERY strange. I can't understand what could possibly me meant by that. marion From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:00:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Lessons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6715 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Apparating Lessons Reply To: [Yahoo! #6701] Apparating Lessons Date: 8/12/00 2:00 pm (ET) <<Percy only learned the summer after leaving school. So who taught him? Mr. Weasley? Or is there an after-Hogwarts session on Apparating that interested 7th years can take? >> Good question. I'm guessing (based on what I remember of Driver's Ed) that they have some kind of classroom learning at Hogwarts, probably starting the first term after the student turns 16. After they've passed a written test, they take field trips into Hogsmeade for supervised practice (similar to the behind-the-wheel driver training). After that, they take the Apparating test (through the DMV equivilant) to get their license. No, there's no proof of any of that in the books; for example we haven't seen older students taken into Hogsmeade for the practical lessons. But then, the books have gone into the curriculum much for the years Harry has yet to reach. Just my two sickles. Melanie From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:08:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6716 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6529] Race in HP Date: 8/12/00 2:08 pm (ET) Well, there is something that has been bothering me on this front ... I too am enjoying the diversity and the "just happens to be" attitude (for example, clarifying Angelina's race in book 4). Glad to see themes of racism explored with the plot lines re: elves and giants. But, maybe I'm overly sensitive, but the way the elves speak is too close to stereotypical language given to African Americans in 19th and early 20th century ficture. And, while I can't put my finger on it, there is something that bugs me in the scenes where Dobby is grateful for the socks from Harry and Ron - sort of like the "good, beneficient (condescending and paternalistic) white man who fights for the freedom of the black man (who it is implied can't fight for himself)." Maybe these sorts of problems just come with the territory when one tries to explore how one in a privileged group is to react to unfair treatment of an unprivileged group. The elf theme (and the message that they have dignity and worth) came thru much better at the end when Dumbledore remembers to send Poopy to see about Winky. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:21:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6717 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6716] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/12/00 2:21 pm (ET) But, maybe I'm overly sensitive, but the way the elves speak is too close to stereotypical language given to African Americans in 19th and early 20th century ficture. And, while I can't put my finger on it, there is something that bugs me in the scenes where Dobby is grateful for the socks from Harry and Ron - sort of like the "good, beneficient (condescending and paternalistic) white man who fights for the freedom of the black man (who it is implied can't fight for himself)." I, too, find the house elves issue a bit disturbing. Ron keeps saying the house elves don't want to be free or have rights, that they are happy serving others. But that is an arguement made by many others over time to justify slavery and other abuses. Even Doby did not want to take too much pay or leave from Dumbledore because he "did not want too much feedom". JKR goes into a very touchy subject, but does not tell us where this is going. Marion From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:49:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6718 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #6689] Re: Fanfic Date: 8/12/00 2:49 pm (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/12/00 4:35 am wrote: Okay, Carole, you've convinced me. I'll start reading PoU this weekend (along with the FAQ message scanning, writing the lead-off summaries for next week, listening to CoS on CD etc). Hmmm - where did my regular life go? *************************** You don't need a regular life...you have us!!!! hmmmmmmm isn't that a bit scary.... and think about joining the list for PoU...you'll get more email! and I know you need more daily email!!! Plus we'd all love your...er...interesting commentary on it... carole From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 19:18:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6719 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6711] (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 3:18 pm (ET) Spoiler stuff.... la la la la la la >>3) What does the "momentary gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes mean when Harry tells him how V was able to touch Harry as a result of using Harry's blood as part of the spell in his regeneration? This is downright disturbing. Are we to become suspicious of Dumbledore?<< I took it to mean that Dumbledore was HOPING for this result. Not because he wants to hurt Harry, but because in some way doing so is going to prove a weakness for Voldemort. He has taken on the power that Harry's mother imbued him with, that of total and unconditional love... how could that not affect him somehow? Just my take on it when I read it. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 19:26:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6720 From: davehoz Subject: Re: small mistake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6687] small mistake Date: 8/12/00 3:26 pm (ET) Other problems include the climax of PoA occuring on the wrong day and Dudley's anachronistic Playstations. I personally don't accept the "Nick's Deathday" argument... He could possibly not properly recall when he died. From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:22:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:22:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6721 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6717] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/12/00 4:22 pm (ET) I thought I'd left "constiracy theories" on the Big Brother message board. (...sigh...) To be fair, of course, one person's perspective is as valid as another, but I can't help but think of something I've learned over the years... One finds what one looks for. Our judgements reveal more about ourselves than the thing we place judgement upon. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:33:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: HP Products Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6722 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: HP Products Date: 8/12/00 4:33 pm (ET) I am very happy to announce that the fine folks at Warner Brothers no longer consider a Harry Potter clock as swimwear. Have a nice day!:' ~Kaitlin From screaming_mimie at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:36:00 2000 From: screaming_mimie at yahoo.com (screaming_mimie) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6723 From: screaming_mimie Subject: Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6719] Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 4:36 pm (ET) hi all i've been lurking and finally decided to post. >>3) What does the "momentary gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes mean when Harry tells him how V was able to touch Harry as a result of using Harry's blood as part of the spell in his regeneration? This is downright disturbing. Are we to become suspicious of Dumbledore?<< my thoughts on this -- when the steps for the regeneration are being read it says 'blood from an enemy forcefully taken' and maybe it's just me, but it didn't seem like they really had to force harry (he didn't put up much of a fight) - so maybe the spell won't be as strong being that it wasn't followed to the letter - of course i'm probably completely wrong, but that's normal so i'm used to it. mimie From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:43:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: Where is the Leaky Cauldron Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6724 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Where is the Leaky Cauldron Date: 8/12/00 4:43 pm (ET) I thought that Neil said that the Leaky Cauldron (Muggle entrance) is on King's Cross Road between the Virgin Megastore and I-forget-what. But PoA chapter "The Knight Bus" appears to say that it is on Charing Cross Road. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 20:52:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6725 From: heiditandy Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times today Date: 8/12/00 4:52 pm (ET) It's at http://www.nytimes.com/library/books/081200anti-potter.html - the header here says it all - anti-potter. It discusses a bit of the backlash against the book, and that jerk Harold Bloom's diatrabe from the Wall Street Journal back in June, but the overall tone I got from the piece is that the author thinks the backlash is, more or less, unjustified. There's also a link to the Times' collected articles on JKR & the HP books in general, which is a great resource. I'm putting it in our links section here too - it's at http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/07/23/specials/rowling.html From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 21:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Where is the Leaky Cauldron Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6726 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Where is the Leaky Cauldron Reply To: [Yahoo! #6724] Where is the Leaky Cauldron Date: 8/12/00 5:04 pm (ET) <<I thought that Neil said that the Leaky Cauldron (Muggle entrance) is on King's Cross Road between the Virgin Megastore and I-forget-what. But PoA chapter "The Knight Bus" appears to say that it is on Charing Cross Road. >> I did say Charing Cross Road, but I'd forgotten that it was actually *mentioned* in PoA. It's a very logical location to my mind. London has many streets featuring lots of one kind of shop and Charing Cross Road is particularly famous for bookshops. There's everything from the pompous but atmospheric Foyle's to the imported and trendy Borders, via the Silver Moon Women's bookshop and a variety of flaking antiquarian booksellers. The street is also dotted with pubs, bars and restaurants, and has several tributaries, some of which house other specialists, such as vendors of musical instruments. HP&tPS tells us that The Leaky Cauldron is between a large bookshop and a record shop. Now I think about it, there used to be a small record shop next to a bookshop in Charing Cross Road, but the former closed a few years ago. It would, however, have been there in 1997, when Philosopher's Stone was written. Isn't this exciting? Neil From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 22:00:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6727 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6725] Harry Potter article in NY Times today Date: 8/12/00 6:00 pm (ET) Heidi wrote: "It's at http://www.nytimes.com/library/books/081200anti-potter.html - the header here says it all - anti-potter. It discusses a bit of the backlash against the book, and that jerk Harold Bloom's diatrabe from the Wall Street Journal back in June, but the overall tone I got from the piece is that the author thinks the backlash is, more or less, unjustified." The nerve of those Muggles! The haters! I absolutely despise snobbery in lit criticism! They are undoubtedly the same people who think that Toni Morrison (one of my favorite adult authors) is a hack and that a zillion other authors who no one but English major read today are gold. I'm reminded of a saying in literary circles: "Reviewers are usually nasty because most of them are unsuccessful authors themselves." Ticked off-- Ebony AKA AngieJ From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 22:03:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6728 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6727] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 6:03 pm (ET) >I'm reminded of a saying in literary circles: "Reviewers are usually nasty because most of them >are unsuccessful authors themselves." "Those who can write, write; those who can't write, teach, those who can;t teach, become reviewers". Notable exceptions: The Algonquians. - Brooks, a Dorothy Parker fan From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 23:14:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:14:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6729 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6725] Harry Potter article in NY Times today Date: 8/12/00 7:14 pm (ET) Why is it if you don't have to wade through a book with a dictionary and a thesaurus it isn't considered literature? Why can't something that grips you right from the start and keeps you enthralled be considered literature? I get so tired of the "high-minded" individuals who think they are the only ones who know what a good story is. And they are usually the ones you will find secretly reading and enjoying what they are knocking. Shelly From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 23:30:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:30:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6730 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6729] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 7:30 pm (ET) >>They are undoubtedly the same people who think that Toni Morrison (one of my favorite adult authors) is a hack and that a zillion other authors who no one but English major read today are gold.<< Whoever said this (I think it was Ebony) was exactly right. People who scorn popular culture are probably jealous because they're broke. Which reminds me, go visit the Miami Herald website and read Dave Barry's take on the books: http://www.herald.com/content/archive/living/barry/1999/docs/aug13.htm He is clearly jealous. ~Kaitlin From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 23:59:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6731 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6730] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 7:59 pm (ET) Dave Barry might be a little jealous -- who wouldn't be? But he's making fun of his own envy. Dave makes fun of things this way all the time, and I thought it was funny. You're right. A small group of intellectuals have set themselves up as the keepers of the flame of what's good and not good. They don't value great storytelling highly. The book reviews on National Public Radio, for example, sound like they come from some other planet. I love the Potter books, and I'd love to read a funny parody. Some parodies are funnier the more you like the thing being made fun of. For example, I think The Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest works in English; I thought "Bored of the Rings" was a howl, with Frito, Goodgulf, Spam, and Arrowroot son of Arrowshirt. We love Harry, and we shouldn't take him *too* seriously. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 00:23:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6732 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6730] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 8:23 pm (ET) Oh My God!!!!! Dave Barry has always been able to make me laugh. Being able to laugh at ourselves and not take ourselves toooo seriously is probably the greatest thing we can all do. Shelly From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 00:26:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:26:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6733 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6730] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 8:26 pm (ET) Newbie-With-A-Rant Alert..... >>"Most critics think if you don't have to wade through a book with a dictionary and a thesaurus at your side, it's not literature." I couldn't agree more with that statement. Just for example: Being an avid reader since the womb, I've read countless books this summer, the most anticipated and enjoyable of these being, of course, GoF. Some have been classics; others have been satires and outrageous parodies, found while blowing the dust off shelves at the local library. It really doesn't matter-- as long as the novel's main attraction isn't its pictures, I'll give it a shot. Being a high school student, every summer is cursed with that dreadful assignment known as Summer Reading. (Just as a reference, Summer Reading is an archaic assignment, usually consisting of answering dreary questions about even drearier books, a concept dreamed up in the late Middle Ages by sadistic English teachers who obviously had their corsets laced too tightly or weren't stuffing the fronts of their pants enough to feel sufficiently proud. The historical accuracy of the above statement cannot be vouched for, as History is definitely not my best subject.) My assigned reading includes "Huck Finn" and "A Separate Peace". I enjoyed "HF", but I can say with complete certainty that "A Separate Peace" is the absolute WORST book I've ever read. You couldn't pay me to give it another go. The prose is ponderous; the subject matter is gloomy; and the book as a whole is depressing to the point of dulling the reader into a Plath-esque state of apathy and misanthropy. Excuse me while I find the closest oven..... However, this book is supposed to be giving me A New Appreciation and View of Literature, or that's what the summary on the inside jacket tells me. Well, I've certainly got a new View of something, and that's that most authors of Good Literature were in desperate need of some Prozac. I don't know where some of these critics are coming from-- maybe they've been reading too much Knowles and Fitzgerald, but the average person can get more of an appreciation of literature from something as engaging and enjoyable as J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter" series than from some Classic Novel that's only read by disgruntled soon-to-be sophomores. The sheer fervor caused by the books should point to this-- look at the amount of listservs on the Internet, and the numerous subjects discussed. I certainly can't recall even seeing any of the books so touted by critics sparking such enthusiasm. I myself have managed to improve my literary analysis skills- something very useful in projects such as Dreary Summer Reading- just by engaging in in-depth discussion of the finer points of the series, and my writing style has improved greatly thanks to that wonderful commodity known as Fan Fiction. The only thing I've ever gotten out of reading Orwell and Knowles was a renewed desire to jump off the Chrylser Building. Speaking strictly as a newcomer, I'd like to say that I'm not always this caustic about everything. Occasionally, my personality is inspired to rise to the level of slightly enjoyable. :) I'd also like to apologize to all of the English teachers on this list, and assure them that no English teachers were harmed in the construction of this rant. Also, I was greatly amused to read Dave Barry (aka My Idol)'s take on the books. Sometimes the beginning-chapter Potter formula does get a bit superfluous, but rest assured that it's always entertaining. But you already knew that. Signing off, Alicia/Sue "Runs With Chapstick" Spinnet (Sue on the PoU list) From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 01:04:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6734 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6732] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 9:04 pm (ET) I notice that Dave Barry is also poking fun at another wildly successful author, Stephen King, who is selling his book chapter-by-chapter on the internet. Dave is great! "Absolutely spiffing' effort, Dave, righty-o, pip-pip, and good show! From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:05:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6735 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6723] Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/12/00 10:05 pm (ET) >>3) What does the "momentary gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes mean when Harry tells him how V was able to touch Harry as a result of using Harry's blood as part of the spell in his regeneration? This is downright disturbing. Are we to become suspicious of Dumbledore?<< i dont know if anyone here reads the discworld series, but it reminds me a little of the events at the end of 'carpe jugulum' (sp?) where the vampires sucked granny weatherwaxes' blood and it kind of had the opposite result than the vampires intended. in any case i certainly dont think dumbledore is a secretly evil character, its more likely that the 'essence' of lily potter in harrys blood will have an adverse effect on You-Know-Who. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:37:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6736 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 10:37 pm (ET) >Alicia/Sue "Runs With Chapstick" Spinnet Your profile says you are 15, and you wrote this 'critique of Summer Reading'!?!?! Come on, admit it, you are having us on, how old are you really? I know of almost no 15 years olds who not only could properly use the words ponderous, misanthropy, caustic, commodity, and superfluous in rational sentences (well, maybe my son could have, but I'm not sure I'd go that far!), but actually DO SO. But if you are truly 15 - or not - , I hope you bring that skill and wit to bear more in the future - I will enjoy reading your postings. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:42:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Charing Cross? I've been off for awhile Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6737 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Charing Cross? I've been off for awhile Date: 8/12/00 10:42 pm (ET) I have been back to school, this week and so I have not been able to catch up on all the messages y'all (I wish that I didn't use this word- it's so Southern-) have posted. Ah, well I pormised my self I would catch up before I posted and now I have. I went back to PoA; I never noticed the Charing Cross reference. I was wondering tho' if the bus couldn't of turned? Well Charing Cross DOES make sense. Also could you tell me if this is the road which from Leicester (sp?) Square, which contains several theatres? If so then I have been there, and I just didn't relize it...hmmm. If you could help. Thanks! Scott From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:49:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: Hey Everyone! I'm new here. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6738 From: asianpower83 Subject: Hey Everyone! I'm new here. Date: 8/12/00 10:49 pm (ET) Hey! as you now know I'm new at this place. I'm about 17 years old but I absolutely love the Potter books. I'm am really sort of addicted to them and I can't wait for the next one. If anyone has ANY info about YEAR 5 please let us all know. Thanks a lot and I hope the discussion becomes as interesting and fun as reading the books are. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:51:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6739 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Snakes Date: 8/12/00 10:51 pm (ET) The Dark Mark rises into the sky, causing panic among the many wizards hidden in the woods, you turn to run, wishing that you'd never attended the Quidditch world cup...... Ok so IF you were a wizard, and IF this was you, why would you, or anyone else, be so afraid of snakes. True Voldemort's sign is a snake, but the creatures themselves? The Basilisk wasn't ordinary but the Boa in PS/SS was and he seemed quite friendly... So are snakes REALLY bad?? Scott- Who HATES snakes after, as a very small child, saw his terrier being bit. And just get the creepys, so forgive me. From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:55:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6740 From: asianpower83 Subject: VERITASERUM! Date: 8/12/00 10:55 pm (ET) If the veritaserum was used to validate Barty Crouch Jr.'s confession couldn't it have given validity to Harry's and Dumbledore's testimony to Voldemort's return? And why hasn't the Veritaserum been used in the past to validate the testimonies of the Death eaters at their trials after Voldemort's fall? Shouldn't this truth-telling serum be used in trials in the Wizard world? I'm sure Fudge would have been convinced if harry had told his story of his fight against Voldemort at the graveyard if he had been under the veritaserum. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 02:58:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:58:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6741 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Hermione Date: 8/12/00 10:58 pm (ET) I know it's supposed to be Her-MY-oh-nee but Viktor's way is is so funny (Herm-own-ninny)... Well anyhow, to the point-Unless JKR has decided to deviate from her normal path, which seems highly unlike her. Of course her attention to little detail is not only interes- uh excuse me. What I am trying to say is does anyone think that the Hermione in greek mythology could have anything to do w/ the outcome of our own bookish friend???? Just wondering... Scott From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:00:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6742 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 11:00 pm (ET) Everything I got in Junior High and High school Lit. was either hopelessly grim (e.g. _The Red Badge of Courage_ and _The Lord of the Flies_), or if by some wild chance it *was* something good like _Huck Finn_, it got analyzed to death. The definition of "Literature" is obviously something that's agony to read/study. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:06:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6743 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6728] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 11:06 pm (ET) >"Those who can write, write; those who can't write, teach, those who can;t teach, become >reviewers". > >Notable exceptions: The Algonquians. Here here! -- Dave H., a Robert Benchley fan (and the only Gen-X-er who knows who The Algonquians were??) From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:10:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:10:00 -0400 Subject: Snakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6744 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Snakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6739] Snakes Date: 8/12/00 11:10 pm (ET) I can't believe a whole species is inherently evil. If Dumbledore is sending Hagrid and Mme. Maxime to appeal to the giants, maybe he should send Harry to appeal to the snakes... -- Dave, who rather likes snakes (but not the poisonous ones). From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:11:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6745 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: VERITASERUM! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6740] VERITASERUM! Date: 8/12/00 11:11 pm (ET) Good points re: Veritaserum. Let's go back further and wonder why Dumbledore didn't suggest use of it to clear Sirius Black when he was going to be executed by the MoM. Of course, Dumbledore sees the big picture. One can imagine that Dumbledore is purposefully hanging back on solving the problems behind HR&H's capers so that they get as much hands-on practical experience as possible. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:17:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6746 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: VERITASERUM! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6740] VERITASERUM! Date: 8/12/00 11:17 pm (ET) http://www.chicon.org/hugos/nominees.htm >If the veritaserum was used to validate Barty Crouch Jr.'s confession couldn't it have given >validity to Harry's and Dumbledore's testimony to Voldemort's return? Apparation, Veritaserum, etc. - i fear that JKR depsite her cleverness has added some things to the wizarding universe without originally thinking of consequences - and that later required some thinking about to explain away their potential as deus ex machinas. Like Star Trek, too many fabulous inventions & technology mean that you have to later invent restrictions that you didn't explain earlier in order to not have your earlier neat idea be a cure-all (and where's the plot tension there?) Not being able to apparate on Hogwarts grounds is almost certainly that, else why didn't Sirius escape that way? And out in the rest of the world how do you stop a wizard you are trying to capture from Apparating away anyway? Almost no visible spell was described that I recall. The only thing i can think of is that Aurors might carry some item or charm that distorts spacetime around themselves such that the being they are trying to apprehend cannot Apparate. Which might be a bummer if they needed to do so themselves! For Harry, perhaps the restriction on Veritaserum is that it makes non-adults very ill; (which would put a whole new aspect in Snape's therat to use it on Harry); for the wizard trials, perhaps it too is relatively new. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:19:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: URL in last message Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6747 From: brooksindy Subject: Re:URL in last message Reply To: [Yahoo! #6746] Re: VERITASERUM! Date: 8/12/00 11:19 pm (ET) I stuck that in and forgot to explain. http://www.chicon.org/hugos/nominees.htm _Azkaban_ is a nominee in the Best Novel category for the Hugo awards, Science Fiction fandom's awards (the professional recognition award voted by members of the Science Fiction Writers of America are called the Nebulas). From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 03:42:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6748 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/12/00 11:42 pm (ET) All I can say is WOW!!! I'm a high school history and you have given me hope that my in coming students will have as much insite as you. YMEK From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 04:03:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6749 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6717] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 12:03 am (ET) <But, maybe I'm overly sensitive, but the way the elves speak is too close to stereotypical language given to African Americans in 19th and early 20th century ficture> I too,felt this acutely being an African-American female, but she does so much to counterbalance this,with the diversity she places in her books.Example; the typical choice for Angelina to go to the dance with would have been Dean Thomas,or Lee Jordan,but she didn't do that did she? Who knows where she is going with the oppression of the house elves. I think they will become more important in the battle of evil vs. good than we realize,thus,gaining them some self-worth. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 04:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:08:00 -0400 Subject: Some Harry Potter Anagrams... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6750 From: brooksindy Subject: Some Harry Potter Anagrams... Date: 8/13/00 12:08 am (ET) trophy rater (clearly, after book 4) terror thy pa (I guess this happened....) rather to pry (he certainly does) he try parrot (perhaps the next development after owls, a bird that can give a spoken message?) try per torah (well, there is some old testament kind of good and evil going on here....) tarry pot her (when he stays late with Madame Sprout) parry the rot (presumably a way to deflect a nasty spell) other try rap (obviously that so called music is not for him!) thy pat error (what Voldy obviously makes....) her troy part (Hmm. remember that in Greek mythology Hermione was the daughter of Helen of Troy???) her tory trap (I don' think we'll see too much real British muggle politics here though) try trap hero (Well, that definitely happened!) thy pert rope (Hmmmm) to pry her rat (Is there a woman in Wormtail's life?) There are many more, but those were some of the most interesting i found with Karma Manager( which is an anagram of "anagram maker"). From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 04:19:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:19:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6751 From: asianpower83 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/13/00 12:19 am (ET) I couldn't agree more with Alicia. i myself spending three years of grueling boredom being forced to read books such as A separate Peace. Such literature has gradually repelled me from ever actually reading a book as entertainment. I don't care if Harry Potter is considered Literature or not by these mordant critics with nothing but trite commentary; I am truly entertained by these books. From dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 04:54:00 2000 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com (dannyboyxxx_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:54:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6752 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6749] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 12:54 am (ET) I could not agree with you more GF! That was my exact reaction as soon as I read it, especially in this latest book there is much more of it than the others and it is much more extreme. I would think that there would be an outcry from some group like the NAACP. It is just too blatent not to be challenged, especially in this day and age. It sounds like it was inspired by Mark Twain. I would hope she cuts down on it in the last three books. I am going to try and find a way to write her an e-mail and let her know my feelings. From dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 05:09:00 2000 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com (dannyboyxxx_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter for Everyone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6753 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 Subject: Re: Harry Potter for Everyone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4] Harry Potter for Everyone Date: 8/13/00 1:09 am (ET) HI Barbara, I tried The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings, but the major problem I found with them is that the language was very hard to follow. So much of it required you to practically learn a new language, which really bothered me because I love these types of stories. Can't wait for the next HP!!! Dan From dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 05:13:00 2000 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com (dannyboyxxx_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:13:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6754 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #7] Movie Date: 8/13/00 1:13 am (ET) Hopefully they they can get Steven Speilberg to Direct it! From dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 05:45:00 2000 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 at yahoo.com (dannyboyxxx_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6755 From: dannyboyxxx_2000 Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #8] Re: Movie Date: 8/13/00 1:45 am (ET) I think Richard Harris would make an excellant Mad Eye Moody! It looks like he was in gladiator, so he is still doing major motion pictures. That's who I see when Moody is speaking in HP. Here is a site that lists actors to help you cast it. http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Actors_and_Actresses/Complete_Listing/ From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 06:53:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:53:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6756 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6752] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 2:53 am (ET) I don't know if she is doing it intentionally.We might be reading more into it than there is.....after all she's not even American(is she?)she may be trying to make their(HOUSE ELVES)dialogue more child-like than anything, and it may just be coincidence. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 08:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 04:50:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6757 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6737] Charing Cross? I've been off for awhile Date: 8/13/00 4:50 am (ET) <<Well Charing Cross DOES make sense. Also could you tell me if this is the road which from Leicester (sp?) Square, which contains several theatres? If so then I have been there, and I just didn't relize it...hmmm.>> Okay, a bit more mental geography for you: Charing Cross Road runs from Trafalgar Square at the bottom end to the junction between Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road at the top. Leicester Square and Soho are to the left of it and Covent Garden is to the right of it. If the Knight Bus turned off anywhere, it would most likely have been into St Martin's Lane or Shaftesbury Avenue (which runs across Charing Cross Road and is the road Scott is thinking of) - both known more for their theatres than book and record shops. This is one of the busiest areas of London and one of the major focal points for shopping and entertainment, so, although it seems right for Diagon Alley to be hidden 'behind' Charing Cross Road, it would be difficult to be inconspicuous, particularly if you were as massive as Hagrid or wearing a pointed witch's hat and emerald green cloak. Hmmmm. There's nothing to suggest that Diagon Alley is physically in that location - the Leaky Cauldron might be a portal to it, but it may actually be located elsewhere. A bit of portkeying to an isolated location, perhaps? Broadening this topic a bit, I've been thinking about the Wizarding world co-existing with the Muggle world, but being part of an alternate timeline, running about 200 years behind ours. This would explain why Hogwarts is steeped in history - all flaming torches, goblets and robes, and why anything modern seems a bit out of place. It could, also, mean that some of the historical ghosts Muggles see from time to time are 'time ghosts' from the Wizarding world. Is there anything in the books to refute any of this random theorising (and knowing my theories, there will be!)? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 09:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:24:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6758 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6756] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 5:24 am (ET) <<I don't know if she is doing it intentionally.We might be reading more into it than there is.....after all she's not even American(is she?)she may be trying to make their(HOUSE ELVES)dialogue more child-like than anything, and it may just be coincidence.>> JKR makes points against prejudice without citing recognisable minority groups. By using analogy, she is, I suggest, able to address moral issues without dragging the books into a political morass. You're right, JKR not American, and I doubt very much that she intended a direct reference to black oppression of the type seen in early America. I think she uses the House Elves more as a commentary on the old-style British class system. One or two hundred years ago, there was a distinct servant 'underclass' in this country that was lacking in education, poorly paid and given very little in the way of personal freedom. I remember, from one interview, that JKR chose the name Hermione because it was unusual (and not very 'young'). She was conscious of the fact that, because Hermione was such a bookish type (particularly in the first book), any girl with the same name might get teased mercilessly. So, she avoided common names and went for one that, as it turned out, many people couldn't even say (!!). The point I'm making is that she is sensitive to the sensitivities of her readers and conscious of people identifying with characters and situations. She leaves many characters blurred at the edges, so that we can use our own imagination to ink them in. What's interesting is when she does reveal more, the details often challenge our conceptions. In GoF, we learnt that Angelina Johnson is black, and there was a hint that Professor Sinistra is a woman, but many of us may have assumed otherwise based on the first three books. I think there's a lesson in that, too. Neil From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 10:50:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:50:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6759 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6758] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 6:50 am (ET) I totally agree with Neil.I am sure that JKR never intented them to sound like anything else than simple sweet creatures. I guess as americans you just add what you feel are suitable accents based on the text. I for one have Hagrids voice in my head as west country, sort of somerset way. The Dursleys have surrey accents but are a bit more up themselves i think. See sorry if you find offence but I can assure you it's not meant. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 12:55:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:55:00 -0400 Subject: House Elf Speech Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6760 From: triner2001 Subject: House Elf Speech Reply To: [Yahoo! #6759] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 8:55 am (ET) The one thing I noticed was that Dobby in CoS did not use the same H-E dialect that Winky in GoF did. He did not say things like "I is not doing it, sir" when speaking to Harry. He did always refer to himself by name "Dobby is always having to punish himself..." which I thought was H-E dialect. Aside from his use of his name rather than the use of a personal pronoun, Dobby's grammar was correct, at least in CoS. I noticed (okay so I have GoF & CoS side by side to compare) in GoF he does use wrong tenses "...most wizards doesn't want a house-elf who wants paying..." Maybe JKR forgot how H-E's spoke between CoS and GoF, or maybe she wanted them to have a more distinct fashion of speaking. I don't know. Trina From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 14:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:19:00 -0400 Subject: Hey, we hit 500, and Harris.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6761 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Hey, we hit 500, and Harris.... Date: 8/13/00 10:19 am (ET) So much for not reading my emails for a day and a half! Congrats! Am I right in thinking that Harris, Richard, is the gentlemen who played Arthur in the movie Camelot opposite Vanesa Redgrave? (Wonder if there's a role for her in the movie!? Maybe a grandma Weasley?) From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 14:31:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:31:00 -0400 Subject: Wand query Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6762 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Wand query Date: 8/13/00 10:31 am (ET) Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems all wizards and witches need wands to perform magic... ...except Harry who inadvertently performs magic whenever he loses control of his temper ie. releasing the snake and inflating the aunt. Anyone besides me see this as a crucial point which will be elaborated upon in future novels? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 14:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:32:00 -0400 Subject: House Elf Speech Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6763 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: House Elf Speech Reply To: [Yahoo! #6760] House Elf Speech Date: 8/13/00 10:32 am (ET) <<Aside from his use of his name rather than the use of a personal pronoun, Dobby's grammar was correct, at least in CoS. I noticed ... in GoF he does use wrong tenses "...>> My guess is that when Dobby was in the employ of the Malfoys he affected what he thought was a more cultured way of speaking, perhaps under their influence. Use of his own name may have been a reflection of the pride he felt in being a House Elf to a well-known, wealthy wizarding family. When he left the Malfoys, he returned to his usual, less careful way of speaking, that which was appropriate in the company of other House Elves. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 14:34:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6764 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: more on tuppence Reply To: [Yahoo! #6691] Re: more on tuppence Date: 8/13/00 10:34 am (ET) Wasn't there a Christmas song about a Fat Goose that had a threepence in it? "Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat..." From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 14:59:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6765 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6759] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 10:59 am (ET) This is exactly what I was saying! Everyone tends to analyze things based on their OWN experiences, not necessarily those of whom we comment upon, making a firm stance of "this is so" an error in judgement. We rarely, if ever, respond to reality; we usually respond to our INTERPRETATION of reality. Before we speak to undermine someone we should ensure their intentions are what we THINK they are. They usually aren't. Come to think of it, before we speak we should ALWAYS examine whether what we say is 1. True 2. Kind 3. and Necessary. Following this formula would immediately ELIMINATE nearly all of the nonsense we poison the world with daily. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 15:14:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: Disapearing things Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6766 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Disapearing things Reply To: [Yahoo! #6712] Re: Disapearing things Date: 8/13/00 11:14 am (ET) Trust me, I thought of that, and started cracking up laughing at this line in the book! ****** Maybe that's a modification of the shrinking keys Mr. Weasley mentioned in CoS (which shrink to nothing when a muggle is looking for them). These might be shrinking, moving, and regrowing keys. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:08:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:08:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times(OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6767 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times(OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6742] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/13/00 12:08 pm (ET) I'm glad you all enjoyed the Dave Barry article. I thought it was funny too. >>Everything I got in Junior High and High school Lit. was either hopelessly grim (e.g. _The Red Badge of Courage_ and _The Lord of the Flies_), or if by some wild chance it *was* something good like _Huck Finn_, it got analyzed to death.<< When I was a senior in High School, I took an English class called Contemporary Literature. It was nicknamed the War Class because nearly everything we read was about soldiers fighting in some war (usually Vietnam). It was so depressing! I define literature as something that makes you think. Huck Finn no longer makes me think. (I think there is a rule that all Connecticut students must read every single Mark Twain book in existence). However, Harry Potter does make me think. Have a nice day. ~Kaitlin From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:15:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6768 From: babynick34 Subject: Mrs Figg Date: 8/13/00 12:15 pm (ET) Hi all On alt.fans.harrypotter Andy Ryan posted something interesting about Mrs Figg. So thought I'd ask his question here... Page Ref: US Editon: 713, Ch.36 Top of page UK Editon: 618, Ch.36 Bottom of page Dumbledore says: Sirus, I need you to set off at once. You are to alert Ruemus Lupin, Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher - the old crowd. Figg! Could this be Mrs Figg from Privet Drive? Interesting thought. Nick. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:19:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6769 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6730] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/13/00 12:19 pm (ET) God, how I love Dave Barry. My favorite satirical writer. :-) I have to point out though that, no, he was NOT jealous. Not at all. Not one little tiny bit. Not even a fragment of jealousy crossed his mind at all, not even when he tallied her profits from sales of the first two books and compared it with the current status of his lifetime salary and did a doubletake on the decimal points. Really, come on... he wasn't jealous even a smidgeon *laugh*. You should read "Dave Barry Slept Here", his version of American history. I don't think I ever laughed so hard reading a book as that one. :-) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: Entertainment article.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6770 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Entertainment article.... Date: 8/13/00 12:20 pm (ET) http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/36621166 From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:21:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:21:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6771 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6765] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 12:21 pm (ET) |Come to think of it, before we speak we should |ALWAYS examine | whether what we say is | | 1. True | 2. Kind | 3. and Necessary. | Following this formula would immediately | ELIMINATE nearly all of the | nonsense we poison the world with daily. Bravo - couldn't say it better myself. Re: my initial post re: house elves, their speech, and my discomfort, let me make sure that people understand that I was sharing my personal reaction/discomfort. I was not trying to state with any claim of knowledge that J. K. Rowling is racist or anything like that. One of the things that I really enjoy about the HP series is that prejudice in general, about individuals and about groups and the misunderstandings and lost opportunities that result, is a major theme in each book. Harry is frequently misunderstood by his peers and some of his teachers (Snape, Trelawney, etc.) and frequently he, Hermione and Ron make bad judgements about people that are later proven quite wrong. Furthermore, there are quite serious consequences that result from these misunderstandings. Jim From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:22:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6772 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/13/00 12:22 pm (ET) Re the discussion on House Elves... I think the House-Elf Liberation Front plotline was intended mainly as means of developing Hermione's character. Through it, we learnt that she is the sort of person who is incensed by social injustice and who is prepared to throw herself into 'a cause' rather than sit back and take a 'leave well alone' line. Regardless of the reader's interpretation of the whole thing (which, as Rip says, is a matter of personal perspective), the point is that Hermione will not tolerate, and will challenge, injustices. Otherwise - being honest - I thought that whole sub-plot could have been cut; it was one of the weaker elements of the book, IMO. Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:24:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Subject: Mandrake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6773 From: babynick34 Subject: Mandrake Date: 8/13/00 12:24 pm (ET) Hi all As we all know by now... Jo does not choose names at random, they often have meanings. For anyone interested in knowing more about Mandrakes... then I've found a great site: http://www.emandrake.org The History page makes for good reading! Nick. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:37:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Wand query Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6774 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wand query Reply To: [Yahoo! #6762] Wand query Date: 8/13/00 12:37 pm (ET) >Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems all wizards and witches need wands to perform magic... Counterexamples: Neville bouncing as a kid Hagrid asked Harry if strange things didn't happen around him - as if they did for most wizarding kids wands aren't needed with the brooms as I posted in reply to something else, I don't think wands or much of any charm are needed to apparate - they seem to just kind of do it. animagus transformations don't require wands So clearly wands are not necesarry for EVERY magical act. From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 16:45:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence and geese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6775 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: more on tuppence and geese Reply To: [Yahoo! #6764] Re: more on tuppence Date: 8/13/00 12:45 pm (ET) Here you go...... christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat please put a penny in the old mans hat. If you hav'nt got a penny a ha'penny will do if you hav'nt got a ha'penny then God bless you not quite tuppence, unless you allow for inflation!!! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 17:07:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: Mandrake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6776 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Mandrake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6773] Mandrake Date: 8/13/00 1:07 pm (ET) I have a question about the mandrakes in CoS. Did anyone else feel sorry for the poor things? Here, they were given so many human qualities. Professor Sprout even told how mature they were by their behavior (throwing raucus parties, moving into each other's pots, etc). Then they were to be cut up for restorative potions! Just food for thought. Melanie PS: Yes, I also pitied the spiders Moody used to demonstrate the Unforgivable Curses. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:10:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: small mistake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6777 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: small mistake Reply To: [Yahoo! #6687] small mistake Date: 8/13/00 2:10 pm (ET) By: ausclub7 Date: 8/12/00 4:04 am harry potter being a very 'in depth' sort of series, i feel that JKR is somewhat bogged down by her own mythology! Or perhaps this is just me being clever and obsessive :) --------- Yes and No. Certainly I do the same thing on occasion so would definitely NOT want to comment re obsession. :-) But I commented about this on the GoF list. JKR is writing books to entertain us. She is NOT JRR Tolkien, who created an entire universe, languages, timelines and biography for each character prior to writing (or shortly thereafter. Not sure of Tolkien's own history.) She herself does not analyze these books the way we do, and may think we're not sensible to do so. So if a sentence sounds good in book 3, or book 4 (when some of the comments made by Bill, Charlie and Mrs. Weasley _really_ caused some time line scrunching), then JKR puts it in. Such as the motorcycle comment. Or the whole problem with Nick's death day and the playstation. JKR thinks about an awful lot of things in her books and much of what happens in her books seems to be planned well in advance by at least a book or two. Certainly there are tons of sentences that seem like small comments in previous books, that wind up foreshadowing other happenings. Some of these I believe are deliberate, and some may just be fortunate happenstances that are either chance or that she takes advantage of later in book 3 or 4 or whatever. One I thought of was the first spell that Ron did to try to turn Scabbers yellow "turn this rat yellow." Well, Scabbers was NOT a rat, never one was, so the whole thing failed. On the other hand, it could just be that JKR didn't think about it as such precisely in book one and I'm reading too much into the books. In any book or situation, hindsight is 20/20 and we can find reasons to link up the past with the present. The bottom line, in my opinion, is that JKR, while planning ahead a great deal, is basically writing books to entertain us. She did not, and does not expect them to be analyzed as though she was attempting to prove the theory of relativity. So SOME small comments and happenings will simply fail to match up. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. We just have to accept it. The bottom line purpose of the books, after all, is to entertain us. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:27:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Lessons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6778 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Apparating Lessons Reply To: [Yahoo! #6701] Apparating Lessons Date: 8/13/00 2:27 pm (ET) By: triner2001 Date: 8/12/00 10:26 am How and Where do folks learn to Apparate and Disapparate? Since, as Ms. Hermione has *often* reminded us, no one can disapparate or apparate on Hogwarts lands, they obviously can't learn it at school. And --------- I agree with the fieldtrip theory espoused by Brooks and Ravenclawlady. However, Hermione has told us SO often, several times in each book, it seems, that a person can't apparate and disapparate at Hogwarts. It seems fairly obvious to me that this will be an issue in one of the future books, and have been trying to decide HOW it will be an issue. Maybe Harry will disapparate in a really tense situation or something. Or maybe Lord Voledemort will actually apparate onto the grounds, although I am sure that Hogwarts has a lot of other magically protections in place than just the ban on apparating, expecially since Lord V. couldn't do much against Dumbledore even at the height of his power. Frankly, for all we know, this bit about apparating/disapparating is nothing but "the party line" that is drummed into the students and that certain professors or the headmaster actually can apparate/disapparate within the walls. Perhaps the charm keeps the majority from apparating but not a really powerful wizard who knows the way around the charm. In PoA, Professor Dumbledore got to the door to Griffindor tower awfully quickly when the fat lady's picture was slashed. JKR has drilled it into our heads time and again that its impossible to apparate at Hogwarts, so, given her propensity for advance planning, this MUST be an issue in book 5, 6 or 7. I just don't know how yet. vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:28:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6779 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #6741] Hermione Date: 8/13/00 2:28 pm (ET) > What I am trying to say is does anyone think that the Hermione in greek mythology could have anything to do w/ the outcome of our own bookish friend???? JKR said in an interview that she got the name Hermione from Shakespeare rather than directly from Greek Mythology, but added that the Shakespeare character of that name is not a clue. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter for Everyone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6780 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry Potter for Everyone Reply To: [Yahoo! #6753] Re: Harry Potter for Everyone Date: 8/13/00 2:33 pm (ET) > I tried The Hobbit and The Lord Of The Rings (snip) So much of it required you to practically learn a new language, which really bothered me because I love these types of stories. New language(s): Elvish, Dwarvish, Rohanese, Gondorian, etc. Tolkien in his personal and professional (as a professor) life was madly in love with languages (especially Anglo-Saxon and Welsh). On the model of the languages he loved, he invented new languages like Quenya (High Elvish). Then his friends in the Inklings challenged him to invent people who SPOKE those languages. Thus the novels came to be. The appendices to LOTR existed before LOTR did. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:37:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6781 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Mrs Figg Reply To: [Yahoo! #6768] Mrs Figg Date: 8/13/00 2:37 pm (ET) > Figg! Could this be Mrs Figg from Privet Drive? Was this message posted by the real babyNick, or by an impostor?! The real babyNick was HERE in HPfG as Arabella Figg was repeatedly discussed! Go to the club archive http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups and look at my message #6713 From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 18:59:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6782 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6765] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 2:59 pm (ET) Rip_Washington wrote: >>Come to think of it, before we speak we should ALWAYS examine whether what we say is 1. True 2. Kind 3. and Necessary. Following this formula would immediately ELIMINATE nearly all of the nonsense we poison the world with daily.<< Wow! I'm going to add this to my quote collection. :) ~Kaitlin From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:17:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:17:00 -0400 Subject: Wand query Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6783 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Wand query Reply To: [Yahoo! #6774] Re: Wand query Date: 8/13/00 3:17 pm (ET) As I understand it, there's some funky dna or other magical genetic stuff floating around in certain people which makes them into witches or wizards & those who are muggles have none of that "magic stuff", which is the explanation I gave when someone asked me recently why, if the wizarding world had all these great cures, why didn't they share them with muggles - my thinking is that their cures won't work on muggles (but reversals of charms, like Mr Weasley curing Dudley's too long tongue will). From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:22:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6784 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6757] Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 3:22 pm (ET) << Hmmmm. There's nothing to suggest that Diagon Alley is physically in that location - the Leaky Cauldron might be a portal to it, but it may actually be located elsewhere. A bit of portkeying to an isolated location, perhaps? >> Or some magic like the Weasley's car, where the trunk and seats both had a lot more space than you could see from the outside. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:26:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6785 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: VERITASERUM! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6746] Re: VERITASERUM! Date: 8/13/00 3:26 pm (ET) <<For Harry, perhaps the restriction on Veritaserum is that it makes non-adults very ill; (which would put a whole new aspect in Snape's therat to use it on Harry); for the wizard trials, perhaps it too is relatively new. >> Like the Wolfsbane Potion, which, Lupin states, didn't exist when he was bitten by the werewolf OR even while he was a student at Hogwarts - it seems that, like the muggle world, witches & wizards are inventing new things all the time (as seen by the Weasley's products (especially those Canary Charms)) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:31:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6786 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6734] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/13/00 3:31 pm (ET) Wandering off topic with the Dave Barry article, which is also on the Miami Herald's website today at http://www.herald.com, I agree that he's not jealous - he did a similar kind of article about 6 years ago parodying the John Grisham books, in writing a "Tom Cruise As A Lawyer Movie Script" which included a lot of the kind of gratuitous sex scenes you can put into a family newspaper (i.e. none) - and he's in a band with Stephen King (the Rock Bottom Remainders) and pokes fun at him regularly. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:46:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: more on tuppence and geese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6787 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: more on tuppence and geese Reply To: [Yahoo! #6775] Re: more on tuppence and geese Date: 8/13/00 3:46 pm (ET) How about the song ' Jolly, jolly sixpence?? I've got sixpence, jolly,jolly sixpence. I've got sixpence to last me all my life. I've got tupence to spend, and tupence to lend and tupence to give to my wife, poor wife. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:48:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6788 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6757] Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 3:48 pm (ET) "Hmmmm. There's nothing to suggest that Diagon Alley is physically in that location - the Leaky Cauldron might be a portal to it, but it may actually be located elsewhere. A bit of portkeying to an isolated location, perhaps?" In PS Hagrid says 'Gringotts is hundreds of miles under London, see. Deep under the Underground.' Also when Harry asks about buying wizard things in London Hagrid replies that you can 'If yer know where to go.' These two points suggests that it is in London but it is possible that no one knows about it transporting you elsewhere. Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:51:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:51:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6789 From: davehoz Subject: Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Reply To: [Yahoo! #6772] House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/13/00 3:51 pm (ET) Is the House-Elf thing also a parody of the traditional "Upstairs, Downstairs" depiction of British servants, who are (stereotypically, anyway) so brainwashed that they *like* being the oppressed inferiors of "Sir" and "Milady" and are scandalized if someone of "rank" (like Hermione) treats them as an equal? Of course I'm not sure if this is real or just how they're depicted in British movies and TV... From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 19:55:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:55:00 -0400 Subject: Discworld and GoF ending Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6790 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Discworld and GoF ending Reply To: [Yahoo! #6735] Re: (SPOILERS) Interesting things in GOF Date: 8/13/00 3:55 pm (ET) "i dont know if anyone here reads the discworld series, but it reminds me a little of the events at the end of 'carpe jugulum' (sp?) where the vampires sucked granny weatherwaxes' blood and it kind of had the opposite result than the vampires intended." I have. It was the Discworld series that pushed me towards reading HP. Are we still using spoiler space? I have been away and missed out on quite a few messages! S P O I L E R S P A C E "its more likely that the 'essence' of lily potter in harrys blood will have an adverse effect on You-Know-Who." I think that yet again Voldemort has not calculated on something happening, like with the curse rebounding, that will have great repercussions on his future. Simon From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 20:03:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:03:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6791 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Reply To: [Yahoo! #6789] Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/13/00 4:03 pm (ET) Strange as it now seems to us 21st century folk but people used to "know their place". My Husbands step father was born in 1918 and was really into the class system. When said Hubby went to university, his step Dad thought he was getting above his station and told him so quite often. The monarchy was seen as the idyll. When the then king abdicated in the 1930's it was kept quiet for days in Britain although the rest of the world knew about it. Today it is so different and there is much more of a "you can be what you want to be attitude". Although in certain circles "a breeding" still counts for something" attitude still prevails!!! alas. From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 20:37:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 review: Is Harry Potter Immortal Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6792 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Book 4 review: Is Harry Potter Immortal Date: 8/13/00 4:37 pm (ET) Baltimore Sun July 9, 2000 http://www.sunspot.net/content/features/story?section=features-sunday&pagename=s tory&storyid=1150360206809 From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 21:02:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:02:00 -0400 Subject: chat room locked Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6793 From: estesrandy Subject: chat room locked Date: 8/13/00 5:02 pm (ET) Waaahhhhh! I can't get into the chat room. Yahoo has cast a spell on the door and it won't open ! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 22:20:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 review: Is Harry Potter Immor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6794 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Book 4 review: Is Harry Potter Immor Reply To: [Yahoo! #6792] Book 4 review: Is Harry Potter Immortal Date: 8/13/00 6:20 pm (ET) >From that Baltimore Sun story: "Mark Twain solved the problem by not worrying about it at all. Although he limited his writings on pals Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn to two books," Excuse me? They were sub-par, but what about _Tom Sawyer, Detective_ and _Tom Sawyer Abroad_? As for the theme of growing up, I cite again Prydain, where just becuae they were older, they didn't lose appeal to the younger readers who started the series. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 23:46:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: chat room locked Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6795 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: chat room locked Reply To: [Yahoo! #6793] chat room locked Date: 8/13/00 7:46 pm (ET) Just for future help... http://www.cheetachat.com has a program there that you can download, and get around that can't get into chat thing that yahoo slams into your face. :) From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 23:49:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6796 From: jferer Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #7] Movie Date: 8/13/00 7:49 pm (ET) I wish I could be as optimistic as you are, nlpnt. I don't take much comfort from it being Warner Brothers. Stephen Spielberg turned down the directing job because JKR wouldn't sit still for Haley Joe Osment being Harry. Then they got Chris Columbus (Home Alone[!]). The British casting director has quit. "Most of the budget will go into getting the SFX right?" The most important element by far is the script. SFX have never, ever, saved a bad movie. They have enhanced good ones. Anybody is better than Disney? I agree with that in principle (They'd cast Britney Spears as Hermione if they could get away with it) but they have no monopoly on stupidity with adaptations. To rip off an old Microsoft joke, "what do you get when you cross Disney and great books?" Answer: Disney. Thank goodness JKR has retained enough control to moderate the madness. From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 23:52:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6797 From: jferer Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6749] Re: Race in HP Date: 8/13/00 7:52 pm (ET) The house-elves' speech wasn't using any ethnic groups speech patterns, it was just unsophisticated. Don't stereotype yourself! JKR really seems to be shooting for color-blind. From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 13 23:59:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6798 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/13/00 7:59 pm (ET) don't worry about the rant, Alicia/Sue. Witty and amusing invective is the most entertaining writing you can get. The intensely insular and self-absorbed world of the literati just can't stand anything too popular, and they can't get used to the notion that what people like are *stories*, where you wonder what's going to happen next, with heroes and villains. We've been doing it since we dabbed blue mud on ourselves and listened to stories about Beowulf or Anansi around a fire. The only reason you think "A Separate Peace" is the worst book is that you haven't read "The Return of the Native". From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 00:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6799 From: jferer Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/13/00 8:18 pm (ET) In "The Yule Ball", GoF, the Great Hall is laid out with "about a hundred" twelve-person tables. Having attended about a zillion meetings and conferences, that's a BIG hall. Why so many tables? They've got a lot of outside guests; maybe even some parents, though JKR doesn't mention it. It certainly does argue, though, for a higher student population than 300. You only need about eight average per gender/year/house to get to 450-500. I still think that's a reasonable number, and it's still a small school. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 00:27:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:27:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6800 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6788] Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 8:27 pm (ET) Another point to suggest that Diagon Alley is in London: in PoA (I think), Cornelius Fudge tells Harry to stay in Diagon Alley and not to go wandering off into "muggle London." ~Kaitlin From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 00:35:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: spells Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6801 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: spells Reply To: [Yahoo! #6606] Proposal for fun: was Remus-the twin...? Date: 8/13/00 8:35 pm (ET) Here's my entry for the spell-inventing game: "Lavidaloca": Causes one's hips to gyrate uncontrollably, in a manner reminiscent of Ricky Martin... Adios, Kaitlin From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 01:02:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6802 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: VERITASERUM! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6785] Re: VERITASERUM! Date: 8/13/00 9:02 pm (ET) I think potions and stuffe are always being invented I remember reading somewhere something about some warlocks reading a magasine about the latest transfiguration spells and such. Also - there has to be ethics involved in making someone take a truth potion, or forcing them to take one. Also, the truth to one person could be different to the truth of someone else... Wow - the ethics of truth spells and such... heavy man. Nicholas > Like the Wolfsbane Potion, which, Lupin states, didn't exist when he was bitten by the werewolf OR even while he was a student at Hogwarts - it seems that, like the muggle world, witches & wizards are inventing new things all the time (as seen by the Weasley's products (especially those Canary Charms)) From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 01:02:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Film Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6803 From: asianpower83 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Film Date: 8/13/00 9:02 pm (ET) I read a short note in the Boston Globe about a possible casting of Alan Rickman as Snape and Richard Harris as Dumbledore. I do think Alan Rickman -with his fame as Rasputin in the HBO Movie- will make a great Snape. Larry (my real name) From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 01:24:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter too violent? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6804 From: asianpower83 Subject: Harry Potter too violent? Date: 8/13/00 9:24 pm (ET) Recent Boston Globe Article says GoF may be too violent and gory for children. I disagree -although there are several scenes dealing with pools of blood and cutting limbs off and such, most of it, in my opinion, is subtle in it's description hardly being too violent for children. From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 01:37:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:37:00 -0400 Subject: Spells Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6805 From: alicia5270 Subject: RE: Spells Reply To: [Yahoo! #6801] spells Date: 8/13/00 9:37 pm (ET) Sounds like "Lavidaloca" should be added to the list of Unforgivable Curses. In that vein..... "Littlebittamonica": the spell which forces a person to take "one step left, and one step right, one to the front, and one to the side....." --Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 02:09:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:09:00 -0400 Subject: VERITASERUM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6806 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: VERITASERUM! Reply To: [Yahoo! #6802] Re: VERITASERUM! Date: 8/13/00 10:09 pm (ET) Could it be possible that, while Snape wanted to make the potion, it took a long time for him to find the rare ingredients? If that was the case then maybe- I could venture to say that Dumbledore had asked him to make the potion so that there would be some ready if Harry's stories ever needed validation. This COULD be possible as Dumbledore trusts Snape w/ far more than us readers... Scott From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 02:11:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6807 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Reply To: [Yahoo! #6772] House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/13/00 10:11 pm (ET) >>I think the House-Elf Liberation Front plotline was intended mainly as means of developing Hermione's character. << I think it gave her a chance to link the house Elf to the plot. The elf episode in the woods with the wand turned out to be a key to the bad guy in this book. >>Otherwise - being honest - I thought that whole sub-plot could have been cut; it was one of the weaker elements of the book, IMO. Neil << I also thought it was weak and annoying. However, I did catch a story on the Radio after reading Book 4 that spoke about the cast system in India and the British and American Embassy. The nanny for the person talking was not allowed to dip her feet into the bathing pond where the little children were wading. The way she described the treatment of this person made me think of the elf plot. Perhaps JKR means only to show the injustices of the world in an easy to understand way. The hope is that as these readers mature, they will right the injustices of their parents. I think Mark Twain helped people to see things from a different point of view in his books which opened the eyes of later generations. Gullivers Travels also had this impact, I believe. I can't recall who wrote that one at the moment. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 02:30:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:30:00 -0400 Subject: Magic limitations... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6808 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Magic limitations... Date: 8/13/00 10:30 pm (ET) It has come up before why Wizards can't, save the world in these books. Why can't they feed the starving, clothe the naked, and shelter the homeless. But when one really looks at it, why can't WE do it, and for those of us who elive in a higher power why can't God. But I'll drive myself loopey trying to fight the in justices of the world so back to the point. It is my observation that Wizards can change things, shape, postition, conditon etc. But they cannot create things. An example of this would be Mrs.Weasley cooking food and not just magicing it up. Scott From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:02:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6809 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Reply To: [Yahoo! #6807] Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/13/00 11:02 pm (ET) Here's an interesting news item: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000813/15/yahoo-saudi-arabia And as for this: "Gullivers Travels also had this impact, I believe. I can't recall who wrote that one at the moment. " Someone who cannot remember who wrote Gulliver's Travels deserves a Swift kick, says Jonathan. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:07:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6810 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6800] Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 11:07 pm (ET) >Cornelius Fudge tells Harry to stay > in Diagon Alley and not to go wandering off into >"muggle London." but this doesn't contradict the possibility that Diagon Alley is not actually in an alternate world/dimension, with the entrance in Muggle London. The brick wall behind the Leaky Cauldron being the gate/interface between Muggle/magic. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter too violent? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6811 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry Potter too violent? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6804] Harry Potter too violent? Date: 8/13/00 11:19 pm (ET) Watching the movie Mulan, I see alot of violence. From the beginning, where the soldiers come over the wall, to the scene where the Hun leader looks at the two men running back to tell the emperor of the Hun army and he mentions to his right-hand man, how many men does it take to deliver a message, and the last thing you see in that seen is him shooting an arrow... Let's see. Hercules punches monsters. Mulan slashes at people with swords. Pocohantas has then shooting people with guns and arrows. Tarzan even has violence. I didn't even mention the ones that people talked about before, Beauty and the Beast and Lion King. Look at Cruela D'Vil. If that isn't road rage, I haven't a clue what it is! Disney movies are considered Y. So what is the big deal about HP? I am quite confused over the whole big deal. Yes, there are elements that I will watch my son for before GoF makes it in his hands. Right now (at three) I know the audio is all he gets, he ignores anything that my computer spits out orally anyway! Grins. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:23:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: Spells Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6812 From: GypsyCaine Subject: RE: Spells Reply To: [Yahoo! #6805] RE: Spells Date: 8/13/00 11:23 pm (ET) Sounds like "Lavidaloca" should be added to the list of Unforgivable Curses. Anything like the Macerena? __________________________________________________ In that vein..... "Littlebittamonica": the spell which forces a person to take "one step left, and one step right, one to the front, and one to the side....." --Alicia/Sue "Haircolor Chameleon" Spinnet From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:30:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:30:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6813 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6810] Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 11:30 pm (ET) I think the Alley is in a pocket of reality in the middle of London (where the scent of fish and chips....lol, sorry Penny). Seriously, I do believe that there are pockets of reality, like the tents at the Match. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 03:58:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:58:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6814 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6784] Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/13/00 11:58 pm (ET) >Or some magic like the Weasley's car, where the >trunk and seats both had a lot more space than you >could see from the outside. Bigger on the inside than it is on the outside? Obviously, this is an example of a CARDIS. (Of course you have to Doctor the acronym a bit, but Who am i to make such references?) From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:05:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6815 From: asianpower83 Subject: Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6784] Re: Diagon Alley - where and when is it? Date: 8/14/00 12:05 am (ET) Reading these messages about where and when Diagon Alley is, Is it AGREED that Diagon alley's time period is concurrent with the present times? Larry From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:36:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6816 From: jferer Subject: Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6803] Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Film Date: 8/14/00 12:36 am (ET) Again, Alan Rickman is way too old to be Snape. Snape is early 40's at most, probably less. Rickman's personality and skills are perfect for Snape, though. If you just needed a voice actor Rickman would be Number 1. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:39:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6817 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Mrs Figg Reply To: [Yahoo! #6781] Re: Mrs Figg Date: 8/14/00 12:39 am (ET) > Figg! Could this be Mrs Figg from Privet Drive? Was this message posted by the real babyNick, or by an impostor?! The real babyNick was HERE in HPfG as Arabella Figg was repeatedly discussed! 6713 then says: If you go on the Web and go to the Web site for this Yahoo Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups you can read the archived messages (see the button on the left side that says "Messages"). Depending on how far you go back, you will find ----------------- Only ONE SMALL PROBLEM, Rita. I just went back and tried to locate the "ton" of discussion. There were two (2) posts listing Mrs. Figg and they had nothing to do with whether she is the same Arabella Figg. Frankly, I think she IS the same, and was pleased at the first (to me) poster who mentioned it. I tried to find your ton of discussion and it isn't listed as such. Now maybe the list discussed it under a different subject, but its impossible to find without reading through every post since July 8, when the list had approximately 3,600 posts on it compared to its current 6,800. Surely you don't think that no one can bring up a subject for discussion if its been discussed once on this list? Just ignore the post if its boring to you personally. Vicki From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:44:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:44:00 -0400 Subject: WB store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6818 From: poohbr_65 Subject: WB store Date: 8/14/00 12:44 am (ET) Hi all, Went to the WB store last night and I say the bookends with Harry on platform 9 and three-quarters. They are soooo adorable and perfect for my collection of HP books. And since my birthday is later this week I "hinted" to the hubby that they were what I wanted. I did pick up the Gryffindor backpack. Being a mom I always seem to be carrying everything but the kitchen sink (although I do think that is in there sometimes) so I should get plenty of use out of it. Tried to get into the chat today but for some reason I kept having problems even though I never have on any of the other clubs I belong to. Just have to try again next week. By the way I did start reading Paradigm of Uncertainty, and I must say so far I am impressed. Parts of it have really moved me and can't wait to get more time to finish what there is. So long bedtime Shelly From potterpotty at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:48:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Magic limitations... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6819 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Magic limitations... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6808] Magic limitations... Date: 8/14/00 12:48 am (ET) You have a point there. One situation which could arise if they were allowed to re-create, would be the wizards multiplying hordes of Galleons for themselves in Gringotts or elsewhere. However the counterpoint to that is, what about the times when food appears during school feasts ? Another occasion was in CoS, when Harry and Ron were left in McGonagall's office after they had unceremoniously arrived in Mr Weasley's car. The good Professor if I recall, left them with a plate of food which kept refilling ? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 04:55:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: Magic limitations... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6820 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Magic limitations... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6819] Re: Magic limitations... Date: 8/14/00 12:55 am (ET) I think the food at Hogwarts is just object-transferred from the kitchens - which gives a sneaky way to appareate a person into Hogwarts, if you can redefine the spell to call the subject "food". From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 05:01:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: Snape again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6821 From: brooksindy Subject: Snape again Date: 8/14/00 1:01 am (ET) Has it ever occured to anyone else that Harry never went and thanked Snape for working to protect him during the first Quidditch match in Book I, from the 'Bronco Broom Hex'? No wonder Snape think's Harry's ungrateful! (Just looking at things from a contrarian POV here.....) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 05:17:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:17:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6822 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mrs Figg Reply To: [Yahoo! #6817] Re: Mrs Figg Date: 8/14/00 1:17 am (ET) <<I tried to find your ton of discussion and it isn't listed as such.>> Hmmmm. I think most of that stuff was buried under spoilers, and Nick probably missed it or avoided it at the time. I have a text file of messages 1-5000 that smitster created for the FAQ thingy and the following messages discuss Mrs Figg, some of them noting the same comparison Nick noted: 3712, 3714, 4102, 4104, 4107, 4110, 4115, 4117, 4147, 4222, 4246, 4247, 4408. We've also discussed it in the chatroom, so it's easy to feel that it's been discussed a lot! At the end of the day, I think we have to live with questions being repeated, rather than tell people off for not abosrobing the entire archive. Sometimes, something new comes out of repeating a questio nand, as you say, it often *is* new to the people who are newer members. Neil From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 05:17:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:17:00 -0400 Subject: Magic limitations... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6823 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Magic limitations... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6808] Magic limitations... Date: 8/14/00 1:17 am (ET) >>> It has come up before why Wizards can't, save the world in these books. Why can't they feed the starving, clothe the naked, and shelter the homeless. But when one really looks at it, why can't WE do it, and for those of us who elive in a higher power why can't God. >>> True, but you have to remember what someone (Hagrid, I believe) said to Harry in Sorcerer's Stone -- the wizarding world is kept hidden from Muggles, because if it wasn't all of the Muggles would want magic solutions to their problems. I don't believe we've observed any homeless or poverty-stricken wizards (other than the Weasleys, and they seem to make enough to squeak by). As for cooking, I believe it's stated in CoS that house-elves have powerful magic of their own. After all, at the end of CoS, Dobby was able to keep Lucius Malfoy at bay. Perhaps the house-elves can use magic to conjure up food, but human wizards or witches (like Mrs. Weasley) can't? -- JoAnna From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 05:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 01:18:00 -0400 Subject: ...oops Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6824 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: ...oops Reply To: [Yahoo! #6822] Re: Mrs Figg Date: 8/14/00 1:18 am (ET) <<abosrobing>> Sorry - I made up a word. Read - 'absorbing'! Neil From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 11:18:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:18:00 -0400 Subject: WB store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6825 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: WB store Reply To: [Yahoo! #6818] WB store Date: 8/14/00 7:18 am (ET) I must say I have been a little disappointed in the section of Harry Potter merchandise at the WB store near me. The section isn't wide and somewhat ordinary. I mean to say, that for the magical word of Harry Potter I excepted more. All I saw were a few tee shirts and caps. (I did love the caps.) Most of the merchandise in was children's sizes. Doesn't the WB stores know about Harry Potter for Grown Up??? ;-) However, they did try to assure me that their Christmas line would be "all Harry Potter" merchandise. I hope it's better stuff. By the way, does anyone know when Hallmark will be putting their Harry Potter Merchandise in their stores? I went to two stores and the associates didn't have any idea what I was talking about. I guess I'm a little impatient. But I need to get some of my Christmas shopping done early. I have the feeling HP Merchandise will be the "Elmo" or "Cabbage Patch Doll" of this year. YMEK From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 11:25:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6826 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Date: 8/14/00 7:25 am (ET) Here is this week's chapter summary for discussion, if you feel so inclined. For information on the schedule for future weeks, see this page at Melanie's site: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html I'll post on 'Arthur Weasley' a bit later on today. Neil *********************** Chapter 6 - The Portkey We're at The Burrow on the morning of the Quidditch World Cup trip. When Harry and Ron arrive in the kitchen, Mr Weasley is already dressed in his best guess at 'incognito' Muggle attire - a golfing jumper and roomy old jeans - and leafing through the World Cup tickets. As the twins wander in, the conversation turns to the three older boys, who are reported to be staying in bed and apparating to the campsite later. "You don't mess around with Apparition," warns Mr Weasley, as Fred annoys his Mother by expressing an interest. Arthur goes on to explain that there are heavy fines for apparating without a licence and that it's possible to 'splinch' yourself, leave part of yourself behind. Harry imagines "a pair of legs and an eyeball lying abandoned on the pavement of Privet Drive". Ginny and Hermione make a drowsy entrance, and just before they all leave, Mrs Weasley uses an Accio spell to relieve the twins of pocketfuls of Ton-Tongue Toffees. She is none too pleased about this and they leave her glowering. Mr Weasley explains that they have a bit of a walk to Stoatshead Hill, where the Portkey is located. Because the World Cup attracts such a large congregation of wizard folk, he says, the MoM has had a difficult job preventing Muggles from noticing anything out of the ordinary. Arrivals are being staggered - some people are apparating, a few are braving public transport, but many are using one of the 200 Portkeys - unobtrusive, everyday objects which transport witches and wizards to another location at a specified time. On arrival at Stoatshead Hill, the gang begin hunting for the Portkey. A shout goes up, and they go over to join ruddy-faced Amos Diggory and his "extremely handsome" son Cedric. Amos is holding a mouldy-looking old boot - the Portkey. Amos, Arthur tells them, works for the Department of Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures. Cedric, as Harry and the others already know, is Captain and Seeker of the Hufflepuff Quidditch team at Hogwarts. Amos boasts that Cedric had beaten Harry in one of last year's school Quidditch matches, although Cedric tries to shows a little more modesty, given the circumstances of the win. As they wait to be transported, we learn that there are only two other wizard families in the area - the Lovegoods and the Fawcetts. The group assembles around the boot and Arthur makes sure they are all touching it. Harry imagines what Muggles might think if they happened across this strange gathering on the hill. Then, suddenly, at the appointed time, they are whisked away to the campsite, where most of them arrive sprawled on the ground. Comments/Questions: - Useful background on apparating and Portkeys, and first appearance of Amos Diggory. - Arthur appears not to know that the Diggorys live on the other side of Ottery St Catchpole, which seems a bit odd. - Did they know what the Portkey was? If not, how would they know what they were looking for? What would have happened if they hadn't found it by the appointed time? - If there are only four wizarding families in the area, do they live among Muggle families or on the outskirts of the village [er...see recent discussion]. From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 11:46:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:46:00 -0400 Subject: Where wizards live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6827 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Where wizards live Date: 8/14/00 7:46 am (ET) I can't see wizarding families living in amongst Muggles - the Dursleys seem to think that the neighbours will notice if Harry does anything at all and they will all be branded as weird. I would have thought wizard families would have to live in remote places, or at the very least on the edge of villages where strange goings-on and flashing lights and gnomes running around in the garden (or flying over the wall when weeding) would not be so noticeable. Nikki From golden_faile at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:33:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:33:00 -0400 Subject: House-Elf Liberation Front Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6828 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Reply To: [Yahoo! #6807] Re: House-Elf Liberation Front Date: 8/14/00 8:33 am (ET) >. The way she described the treatment of this person made me think of the elf plot. < This is what I was saying.Perhaps,because of my background I felt it more acutely. I don't think it was a direct reference to blacks,I just identified. I thought that she was speaking out against injustice,and I think she will develope this further in the following books. She is obviously trying very hard to bring diversity to her readers, which I commend her for. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:54:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6829 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6816] Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Date: 8/14/00 8:54 am (ET) Too old to play Snape, eh? How about this? I know of a few folks who look quite old, and others who are the opposite. In my teens, I was never carded--everyone thought I was 21 or 22. Now that I am 31 (almost 32, 8-29! GoF, what a wonderful present, thanks Kat! We made up, btw, folks who were at the chat, lol) I am being told I am 18 again, lol! You do see where I am taking this? Snape is worried underneath it all. Voldemort has his number, and never was truly gone. That worrying might have prematurely aged him, until he looks like he is in his 50's or more, despite his true physical age. We could say the same about Hagrid, in reverse. He has such a childlike nature at times, I see him as 21 mentally (or at least like my ex, email me, and I will scan a pic for you, lol!), hence appearing younger due to the nature of his heart. As for me, I am 3! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:57:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday~ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6830 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Happy Birthday~ Reply To: [Yahoo! #6818] WB store Date: 8/14/00 8:57 am (ET) **And since my birthday is later this week I "hinted" to the hubby ** What day? And I do hope it's a very happy one! I want those bookends too, but I haven't anyone to buy them for me (just ex's). Sniff Sniff. Oh well, on to other topics! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 12:59:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:59:00 -0400 Subject: re CHAT Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6831 From: GypsyCaine Subject: re CHAT Reply To: [Yahoo! #6830] Happy Birthday~ Date: 8/14/00 8:59 am (ET) I have almost the whole chat saved, if anyone wants a copy. THAT is why I use CHEETA, it's one of the only ways to say chats. (Y-Chat has it too, but I hate using Y-chat, it cuts off your sentences if you type too long of a line.) From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 13:37:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:37:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday~ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6832 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Happy Birthday~ Reply To: [Yahoo! #6830] Happy Birthday~ Date: 8/14/00 9:37 am (ET) Hi, just to let you know it is Thursday the 17th. I'm really hoping to get the bookends and the kids know what he got, but they can't be bought or bribed for anything. Oh well, I'll let everyone know. Later Shelly From jnlcla at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 14:06:00 2000 From: jnlcla at yahoo.com (jnlcla) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:06:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6833 From: jnlcla Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #4774] Re: Font Date: 8/14/00 10:06 am (ET) Thank you so very much! That was me looking for the answer. :) I did contact the webmistress of the Unofficial HP Fan Club, but have yet to hear from her, and it's been a few weeks. I was certain the font used for US chapter titles was available somewhere since the Unofficial HPFC has some e-postcards and the font is used on them as well. I've searched every font bank I know, but still can't find anything remotely similar. I'm only doing this as a favor for my sister who is an elementary school teacher (she'd like to make some posters and banners for her classroom). The children love the Harry Potter books (as do I!!) and the font would be a very nice touch! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 14:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:09:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6834 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/14/00 10:09 am (ET) Hi: <<<I worry that JKR is being pressured to write the books too fast now and they're not being edited carefully, either by herself or by her UK/US editors. I mean, did the book really need to be 700+ pages long, just so Harry could face Voldemort in a duel?>>> I do agree that the editing process seems to be suffering. There are typos that have been pointed out before, but there are also some inconsistencies which any editor worth his or her salt should have caught. I wonder if the close secrecy of this book caused some of those types of problems (i.e., there weren't enough eyes looking at the manuscript). The other thing I'll throw out is that because Scholastic insists on marketing these books as "childrens' books," there is a possibility in my mind that the editorial staff simply isn't used to giving the same level of attention to details & potential inconsistencies. I in no way mean that comment as a slam against childrens' lit or childrens' lit editors. But, it does strike me that if you are used to editing less complex plots & you are being given rather unrealistic deadlines & not much help, things might slip through the cracks more easily. I think it might be interesting to send a print-out of our FAQs pages (once they're complete) to the Scholastic HP editing team. They may not have any idea that there is a segment of the general population giving these books much more scrutiny than they seem to be. I don't mean by my earlier comment that those same editors aren't *capable* of changing gears and giving more focused attention to the books, I just think they might not be used to operating this way & they may not have been given sufficient time to do it in any case. The book has been criticized in some quarters for its length. I personally disagree. JKR is well-known by now for throwing in what, at first blush, appear to be "throw-away" details (things that could be cut out of the book without detracting from the story or character development). These same "throw-away" details are then shown to be much more significant for later plotlines & so forth. I also think there was considerably more to this book than just the duel with Voldemort at the end. IMO. JKR has said this is the "pivotal" book in the series, and that she was quite pleased with it. I believe, based on those statements, that we can assume that some of the more minor details may well be important later. She felt it was important for it to be 700+ pages, and that's good enough for me anyway. <<<I thought there were interesting plot elements that were introduced but never developed: the whole thing with SPEW, for example,>>> My take on this one is what Neil said -- this is a way of showing that Hermione has a passion for social causes. The SPEW storyline serves to develop her character quite a bit more. It also gives us more information about the house elves. <<< <snip> The Triwizard Tournament bits were compelling but they didn't really amount to much more than bits.>>> I was sad that she chose to eliminate Quidditch based on the Triwizard Tournament. The reasoning for the elimination of Quidditch for that year didn't ring true for me. But, I did enjoy the TriWizard tournament events. I actually thought those bits were exciting & developed a fair bit (particuarly if you consider the months before each event where Harry is tense & worrying about each task). <<<In each of the previous volumes, Harry has learned something important about his past which is linked to his destiny. What did he learn in GoF?>>> He learned that Dumbledore can't fix or know everything, that he wants to face evil on his father's terms, that death is final, that evil is *truly* evil, etc. I'll save this one for another message later. I think he learned quite a bit; I agree with JKR that this one was the pivotal volume (at least so far). From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 14:24:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: "Coming of Age" childrens' series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6835 From: plinsenmayer Subject: "Coming of Age" childrens' series Date: 8/14/00 10:24 am (ET) Hi: I'm glad Ebony is posing my question about other "coming of age" series to her group. I'll look forward to their response. <<<LMM expresses her frustration at having to write "girl's series" in her Journals, which have in recent years been made public. She wished to make her later Anne novels more realistic, but her publishers wanted more juvenile themes--and were convinced her readership did too. Her desire to write truly adult fiction was never fulfilled b/c she was stuck with the AoGG label.>>> My favorite childrens' author, Laura Ingalls Wilder, faced the same dilemna. Her daughter, who was a famous writer in her own right & who eventually assisted her mother with editing & perhaps even writing the Little House books, was at first loathe to do so because "everyone knows there's no market in juvenile fiction." She thought her mother would be better served writing serialized stories for popular magazines, as she herself was doing. Not many people have heard of Rose Wilder Lane & her writing. But, her mother's "juveniles" are among the classics of childrens' lit. The one book that Wilder wrote about her post-married life was never submitted for publication by Wilder or her daughter during their lifetimes. <<<My hope is that JKR stands firm and writes the story that is inside her. I hope she doesn't compromise anything just b/c some feel that a nine year old should read Book 7.>>> My post from last week with the excerpts from the Entertainment Weekly interview with JKR should allay your concerns. I was thrilled that she is sticking to her guns & writing the story as she wants to write it. Cepheus -- I don't think the Tolkien books that you cited qualify as a "coming of age" series or a "bildungsroman." I am impressed also that you read them at such an early age. I'm personally not enjoying Tolkien much. Penny (still trying to wade through Lord of the Rings trilogy) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 14:39:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6836 From: plinsenmayer Subject: HP Merchandise Date: 8/14/00 10:39 am (ET) Hi: Nick -- don't forget that you can get the WB or Hallmark HP merchandise through ebay or some of the other online auction sites. Sorry you're having troubles with that! Penny From potterpotty at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 14:40:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: Where wizards live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6837 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Where wizards live Reply To: [Yahoo! #6827] Where wizards live Date: 8/14/00 10:40 am (ET) They would have preferred the obscurity I suppose so as not to be ostracised , but it was mentioned in one of the books that if the wizarding world had not inter-married, "their kind" would have died out or something to that effect. They had to cope with marrying and living with Muggles. Why, even the giants did this. Well, I think that's what Hagrid alluded too when he revealed in GoF that his father was "little." From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 15:26:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:26:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6838 From: blaise_42 Subject: PoA in French Date: 8/14/00 11:26 am (ET) Just got back from Quebec and as a true HP fan ought, I purchased a copy of PoA in French there. To my great surprise, a lot of the names were different. I don't know if this is common knowledge and I'm just the last one in on the secret, but I never knew that Hogwarts was Poudlard in French. Here are some others. Pre-au-lard (Hogsmeade) Gryffondor, Serdaigle, Poufsouffle et Serpentard Chemin de Traverse (Diagon Alley) les Moldus (Muggles) Messieurs Lunard, Queudver, Patmol et Cornedrue (MWPP) Drago Malefoy Pattenrond (Crookshanks) Croutard (Scabbers) Madame Bibine (Hooch) Madame Pomfresh (Pomfrey) Miss Teigne (Mrs Norris) Neville Londubat Pitiponk (Grindylow) le Vif d'or (Snitch) L'Eclair de Feu (Firebolt) Detraqueur (Dementor) And one that really surprised me. Rogue. As in, Severus Rogue. Are there any native French speakers out there who can tell me why the translators changed 'Snape' to 'Rogue'? The names of the other main characters have been kept the same. Sirius is still Sirius Black and not Sirius Noir, though Oliver Wood became Olivier Dubois. Please note that I can't seem to make my keyboard type accents, so they've all been left out. I hope this doesn't trouble French speakers too much. What other ways have the names in HP been translated? Anyone out there know the German or Italian or Spanish or any other language? I'd love to see! ~Blaise. From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 15:58:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: Disappointed with GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6839 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Disappointed with GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #6834] Re: Disappointed with GoF Date: 8/14/00 11:58 am (ET) <<Did the book really need to be 700+ pages long...>> I, too, have looked at HUGE thousand + pg. books and wonder, "Did they really HAVE to write that much, or is there a lot of extra stuff no one cares about?" But for some reason, GOF didn't seem any longer to me than the other three HP books. I read it just as fast. I know it is more than double the length of the other ones...but it just didn't seem it to me. I don't think there were that many wasted words. I think that goes attributed to the fact that JKR is a very talented artist. Only with a gift like that can you make 700+ seem like a walk in the park. :) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 16:09:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: HP Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6840 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: HP Merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #6836] HP Merchandise Date: 8/14/00 12:09 pm (ET) Penny wrote: >don't forget that you can get the WB or Hallmark HP merchandise through ebay or some of the other online auction sites. Good idea Penny, though through EBay it does tend to cost a bit more, and payment can be fun. I prefer using Amazon auctions/shops as they can take Amazon payments. My boss is currently on holiday in Rockport,m MA. I faxed her a shopping list. She says she will hunt out the goods from Hallmark in Peabody or Denvers. So with luck, I might be able to get them that way. Hallmark have today written to me regarding the matter. They are aware that a number of collectors are 'not happy' with the current situation. Unfortunately there is nothing Hallmark can do about it. Warner has the control over how items are distributed. Nick From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 16:16:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:16:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6841 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #6833] Re: Font Date: 8/14/00 12:16 pm (ET) I've found the font. Carpe Saponem Fonts has produced it for PC users in TTF format. I've uploaded it to the server. Either download http://www.broomsticks.org/font/lumos.zip Or download both of these files: http://www.broomsticks.org/font/LUMOS.TTF http://www.broomsticks.org/font/readme.txt Nick, Broomsticks.org Font courtsey of: Carpe Saponem Fonts Lumos V.1 Freeware. See readme.txt for distribution restrictions/usage instructions. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 16:49:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6842 From: babynick34 Subject: Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow Date: 8/14/00 12:49 pm (ET) Hi all. No guesses for where I went today... that's right, to where Jo spent most of her childhood. You can find some photos in the Album: Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow. Tutshill Primary has changed since Jo went there I expect. I've taken two pitures of the main school building - the oldest part of the school. Tutshill overlooks the town of Chepstow, and the river Wye runs in the valley between Tutshill and Chepstow. Jo and Di used to play near the river - and this I feel is an important fact as you will see later. On the other side of the A48 from Tutshill is Wyedean Comprehensive. Wyedean Comp. looked very much like my old school... mainly single storey buildings, with the main enterance and teaching block being two level. Now the interesting bit. Down the hill from the schools is Chepstow, on the other side of the river Wye. As luck would have it, Tutshill overlooks the town of Chepstow - and at the exact point where the bridge is over the river, stands Chepstow Castle. Chepstow Castle is now a bit of a ruin (and as we know, if muggles look at Hogwarts, all they see is a ruin). One of the parts of Chepstow Castle that is open to the public is the cellar. This is the perfect location for snapes classroom. It's dark, only one window (hole in the wall these days), and steap passage of steps leading down to it. I've put some pictures of it in the photo album. Now, I'm not saying that Chepstow is the location of Hogwarts. Indeed, it is not the location, as we know the location must be somewhere further north, most likely in Scotland around Perth/Edinburgh/Aberdeen. However, Jo and Di would have visited Chepstow on a number of occasions throughout their childhood. In deed they probably did projects on the castle as part of their school work. Being so close to Jo's home... I feel it must have had an infuluence. The castle has large solid wood doors for example... stone passageways, a great hall (with no roof - so looking up you do see the sky as it really is), towers, and of course the damp, dark, cellar room... which is quite large and perfect for taking a potions class. What do you think. Having a castle near by when throughout childhood, do you think it would have some significance, or do you think that Hogwarts is just based on pure imagination? Nick. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 16:58:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween Costume Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6843 From: heiditandy Subject: Halloween Costume Question Date: 8/14/00 12:58 pm (ET) Has anyone seen a Wizard costume which would fit a 15-18 month old? We're thinking of dressing our Harry as a wizard for halloween (although he's NOT going as Harry this year (can you see why dressing a baby who was almost born on July 31 as Harry potter on Halloween would make a green eyed parent & spouse nervous (my husband's the one with the green eyes, though))) but we can only find things for kids 2 years & up, and those capes are way to big for him. And he'd NEVER wear a hat - but I could get him to carry a baby broomstick like those little kids at the quidditch world cup had, but his probably wouldn't fly:( From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 17:34:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween Costume Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6844 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Halloween Costume Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #6843] Halloween Costume Question Date: 8/14/00 1:34 pm (ET) Sorry... can't seem to find a wizard costume for someone that young. however, http://www.clicket.com/kidscostumes/costumes.asp?group=bunting&ain=999999 has some costumes for new borns... and there are also toddler costumes on the site as well. The magician/witch costumes however seem to be for ages 4+. How about being a Pumpkin? http://www.costumesdirect.com/pumpkin1.html You could always adapt one of the adult costume patterns: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/costpat.htm (note, takes ages to load - very long list) Hope those help as suggestions... will look out for any Wizard costumes that may be suitable. Nick From jnlcla at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 17:50:00 2000 From: jnlcla at yahoo.com (jnlcla) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6845 From: jnlcla Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #6841] Re: Font Date: 8/14/00 1:50 pm (ET) Wow! Thanks! I thought there was already a version of this font out already since it's identical to the YAHOO! logo. You snatched the snitch! Yay! From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 18:20:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: Portkeys (was: Chapter 6 - The Portkey) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6846 From: davehoz Subject: Portkeys (was: Chapter 6 - The Portkey) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6826] Chapter 6 - The Portkey Date: 8/14/00 2:20 pm (ET) I have a question about Portkeys -- Do they all work the same way? The Triwizard Cup seems to be set to work whenever Harry touched it, not at a specified time. And the Cup is "programmed" to return Harry to Hogwarts, but that doesn't seem normal behavior for a portkey. Once the boot is used as a portkey it's "dead". Why not the Triwizard Cup? Surely Crouch would not "program" it to give Harry an escape hatch? And how did he make the portkey in the first place? -- Surely Hogwarts' enchantments prohibit portkeys if they disallow apparating? Or did Dumbledore make the portkey a special dispensation (transfer the winner to the outside of the maze), and that's why it *had* to be the cup that Crouch used? And did it transfer Harry back because it was already set to transfer the winner to outside the maze and Crouch just "inserted" the graveyard into the portkey's "message queue"? (Sorry to use all these programming terms!) From darla_kitten at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 18:23:00 2000 From: darla_kitten at yahoo.com (darla_kitten) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: hey Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6847 From: darla_kitten Subject: hey Date: 8/14/00 2:23 pm (ET) hey, I'm now in under 2 names, this and LV (lady_voldemort) that was fairly random DARLA From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 18:24:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6848 From: plinsenmayer Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Date: 8/14/00 2:24 pm (ET) Hi: Well, I broke down & bought the recently published unauthorized bio of JKR. I was very disappointed. It seemed very hastily thrown together, is replete with typos & grammatical errors (where were the editors??!!!), and is poorly researched. The errors are so glaring that I actually physically winced a few times while reading it. For one thing, he didn't even get her birthdate right. Bloomsbury's official HP site confirmed what I thought: she was born the same year I was, 1965. This Shapiro character has her born in 1966. Don't you think he could at least get the birthdate/age of his subject correct??? He also conjectures quite alot -- now, mind you, a biographer is forced to conjecture to some extent. But, a good biographer should convey that he/she is conjecturing & why. He instead gives the impression that he has the inside track on Jo's parents' early relationship, when they announced that baby Jo was expected (Nov 1965, which is interesting since she was born in July 1965!), etc. He is also annoyingly inconsistent -- in the same page, he describes Jo as "painfully shy" and "self-confident & outgoing." Which is it? He gleaned *all* his information from published interviews. This is to be expected with an unauthorized bio, but the book is absolutely replete with inconsistencies & mistakes. He & his editors clearly didn't take the time to see that one interview that he relied on contradicted others that he used also. He also clearly couldn't get any of Jo's friends or family members to grant him any interviews. I'm also bothered by the fact that he states that Jo conceived the idea of writing HP in the mid-1980s. Virtually everything I've ever read has pegged that time period as more like the early 1990s (1992 or so). All in all I hate the fact that I contributed $5.00 to this guy's scam. He clearly wrote it just to cash in on all the HP hype. It's also directed at children btw. And, he acknowledges that adults love the books but he thinks all such adults are parents who are reading the books with & to their children. The other glaring error is that he & his publishers fell into the Bloomsbury & Scholastic marketing scam -- he refers to the 4th book as HP & the Doomspell Tournament. His summaries of the books' plots are simplistic & incorrect in some places. At one point, he infers that he's read Book IV. But, clearly since he's referring to it as HP & the Doomspell Tournament, he hasn't. Well, I'll stop ranting now. But, I hated it, and I wouldn't recommend anyone buying it. Waste of money IMO. Penny From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 18:39:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween Costume Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6849 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Halloween Costume Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #6844] Re: Halloween Costume Question Date: 8/14/00 2:39 pm (ET) You might want to try finding a pattern for a little wizard costume in a fabric shop and having a seamstress or tailor make it. That way you could pick your own fabric too. And since your Harry is so little, it probably won't cost terribly much. Just an idea.... :) -- JoAnna From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 18:59:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: Portkeys (was: Chapter 6 - The Portk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6850 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Portkeys (was: Chapter 6 - The Portk Reply To: [Yahoo! #6846] Portkeys (was: Chapter 6 - The Portkey) Date: 8/14/00 2:59 pm (ET) Programming terms? Where? LOL! (Is a cobol and an as400 programmer!) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 19:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: Twins... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6851 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Twins... Date: 8/14/00 3:20 pm (ET) The twins have an entire filing cabinet drawer full of complaints in Filch's office? Just noticed that as I listen to the tapes (got'em UPS'd today, yeah! The rest will be here by the end of the week.) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 20:35:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6852 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: JKR Unauthorized Biography Reply To: [Yahoo! #6848] JKR Unauthorized Biography Date: 8/14/00 4:35 pm (ET) Hi Penny and all >Well, I broke down & bought the recently published unauthorized bio of JKR. Same here... also disappointed. Didn't tell me anything I did not all ready know, and as for inaccruacys... well. >(where were the editors??!!!), Down the pub probably... thinking of all that cash! >and is poorly researched. Marc didn't seem to have bothered visiting the UK. Though at least he calls Yate and Winterbourne small towns... and small they are. I would not describe Tutshill as a city in any resepect. It's a very small village, on top of a hill, overlooking Chepstow. Chepstow is a town with small narrow streets. >For one thing, he didn't even get her birthdate right. You would have thought he could at least get that right. >He also conjectures quite alot I think he just made it all up, I certainly don't recall Jo mentioning all that much about her parents. >He is also annoyingly inconsistent -- in the same page, he describes Jo as "painfully shy" and "self-confident & outgoing." Which is it? Painfully shy. >He gleaned *all* his information from published interviews. Maybe he didn't even bother asking her friends/family. Maybe one day Jo might let someone do a Biography... based on the real her. >Virtually everything I've ever read has pegged that time period as more like the early 1990s (1992 or so). Harry has been in Jo's mind a long time. She has mentioned that it came to her on a train that got stuck between Manchester and London - but when exactly that was I don't think is fully known... but certainly late 80's or very early 90s. >All in all I hate the fact that I contributed $5.00 to this guy's scam. $5. expect he gets far less of a cut than that. >And, he acknowledges that adults love the books but he thinks all such adults are parents who are reading the books with & to their children. Yeh... lack of research! >he refers to the 4th book as HP & the Doomspell Tournament. Pushed for an early publishing date... did not wait till book four had hit the shelf. >Waste of money IMO. Its a fun read though... if a quick one. At least it may come in handy as a starting point in developing a Harry Potter Tour - as it does correctly mention locations... though didn't mention anything about Chepstow castle! Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 20:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6853 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Reply To: [Yahoo! #6826] Chapter 6 - The Portkey Date: 8/14/00 4:56 pm (ET) "Arthur appears not to know that the Diggorys live on the other side of Ottery St Catchpole, which seems a bit odd." The portkey gets them in just after 5am. The Diggory's got up at 2am so could have travelled a fair distance in this time. There is the possibility that they may even have driven some of the way. Therefore they may not be as local to the Weasley's as is at first indicated. Reading the rest of the book I get the impression that this meeting was to put the Diggory's into our thinking and to demonstrate a portkey. "If there are only four wizarding families in the area, do they live among Muggle families or on the outskirts of the village [er...see recent discussion]." Sorry have missed some recent discussions since I have been away. Where the Weasley's live is a matter that confuses me. I had always placed them in the Midlands. But in GoF they get muggle taxis to the train station. This suggests that they must live very close to London. If not it would have cost a fortune to get the kids to the Hogwarts express. The Weasley's say they live just outside a small village in CoS, and I would guess most other wizards live in similarly remote locations. Arthur who does a fair amount of study on muggles would fail to convincingly pass himself of as one. This leads me to suspect that few wizards would manage to live in highly populated muggle areas. Simon From angela_burgess at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 20:58:00 2000 From: angela_burgess at yahoo.com (angela_burgess) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6854 From: angela_burgess Subject: Re: PoA in French Reply To: [Yahoo! #6838] PoA in French Date: 8/14/00 4:58 pm (ET) <<Just got back from Quebec and as a true HP fan ought, I purchased a copy of PoA in French there. To my great surprise, a lot of the names were different.>> Do you know if the version in Quebec is the same as the version in France? I would think so, but am not positive. I've got a copy of CoS in French, but haven't read it yet. I did notice in flipping thru it that some names are different. Once I read it, I'll let you in. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:20:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6855 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6799] HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/14/00 5:20 pm (ET) >From PoA, page 305: "Three-quarters of the crowd was wearing scarlett rosettes..." "Behind the Slytherin goal posts, however, two hundred people were wearing green..." So there are 600 people at Hogwarts. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:22:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:22:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6856 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6855] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/14/00 5:22 pm (ET) Ahhhhh! My math's off. 800 people, I mean. Which gives about 14 girls and 14 guys in each year in each house. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:27:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:27:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6857 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Reply To: [Yahoo! #6853] Re: Chapter 6 - The Portkey Date: 8/14/00 5:27 pm (ET) Hi all >Where the Weasley's live is a matter that confuses me. I had always placed them in the Midlands. I have always placed them being down near Otery St. Mary, not far from Exeter. From what we are told in CoS and PoA this location makes perfect sense - Chudley is nice and close! But... >But in GoF they get muggle taxis to the train station. This suggests that they must live very close to London. Exactly... coz if they lived near Exeter, then surely they could have got a train. The journey by car(taxi) from exeter to London must take at least 3 hours, and would cost a fortune! >If not it would have cost a fortune to get the kids to the Hogwarts express. But the location down near exeter is perfect, if you skip the bit in GoF about the taxi's. >The Weasley's say they live just outside a small village in CoS, and I would guess most other wizards live in similarly remote locations. And Small villages near Exeter could be classed as being remote. >Arthur who does a fair amount of study on muggles would fail to convincingly pass himself of as one. This leads me to suspect that few wizards would manage to live in highly populated muggle areas. Thus a rural location is very likely... so it can't be all that near London. Maybe someone else paid for the taxi's. Nick From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:30:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6858 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6856] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/14/00 5:30 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Ahhhhh! My math's off. 800 people, I mean. Which gives about 14 girls and 14 guys in each year in each house.>>> I still think most of the "excess" attendees at that Quidditch match were alumni or just Hogsmeade residents, rather than students or professors at Hogwarts. The evidence regularly cited (other than that one Quidditch match) for a larger student population is the 100 carriages that hold 4 students. I think that argument can be countered with the fact that each carriage holds up to 4 students (but in PoA, Harry's carriage only has 3 students). Plus, as someone else argued, those carriages might well also be used for transporting the students' luggage to the castle. So, I don't think it's logical to conclude that there are 450 or so students, based on the carriages. I still think the preponderence of the evidence suggests that Hogwarts has a student body of 225-300 students. We know that Harry's year in Gryffindor has only 8 students. I think a range of 8-12 students per year per House is supported with stronger evidence than that one Quidditch match. For some of the recent discussions on this issue, you might want to search the message archives at: http://members.xoom.com/hpfg/ IMO, most school sporting events like that are attended regularly by alumni & interested community members. Penny From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:58:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6859 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/14/00 5:58 pm (ET) Ok, not to offend anyone because I love asking the "what if" questions too, but, have you ever considered that maybe JKR puts things, like the Lily, James reverse order, into the story JUST to add suspense. Ok Ok!!! So it may not be that creative, or desirable a solution but it IS possible, some writers do it all the time... I WOULD like to think that Jo Rowling was above that tho'. Scott From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:31:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (1 of 2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6860 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Arthur Weasley (1 of 2) Date: 8/14/00 6:31 pm (ET) Okay, here's Part 1 of this week's character summary! Neil *** Arthur Weasley "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain," runs the philosophy of Arthur Weasley. Bless him! The gentle, eccentric father of seven works in the Misuse of Muggle Artefacts office at the Ministry of Magic. He is described as tall, thin and bespectacled - balding, but with hair "as red as any of his children's". Despite his job, he isn't averse to bending rules or writing the odd loophole into the law to suit his own ends. In CoS, for example, he enchants a rusty Ford Anglia to make it fly, as well giving it an expandable capacity and an Invisibility Booster. Not that he ever intended to fly it himself... yeah, right. Arthur loves anything to do with Muggles. "Ingenious, really," he muses, as Harry explains telephones to him in CoS, "how many ways Muggles have found of getting along without magic." He is at his most comical when asking about "escapators," fumbling happily with lighted matches or enthusing about his collection of Muggle plugs and batteries. "My wife thinks I'm mad, but there you are," he confesses. At the end of GoF, Molly tells Dumbledore: "It's Arthur's fondness for Muggles that has held him back at the Ministry all these years. Fudge thinks he lacks the proper wizarding pride." Is it his Muggle-loving nature or is it his own lack of drive? Ron tells Draco defensively: "Dad could've got promotion any time, he just likes it where he is." This, perhaps, signals Ron's unspoken embarrassment at his father's inadequacies? Molly doles out the Weasley discipline and the children seem to treat her 'wait till your father gets home' threats with a sackload of salt. It's a game they play. Arthur is invariably more nervous of Molly's reaction to the children's transgressions than he is ready to seize authority. Although he shows anger now and then, he is mild-mannered, with a sense of fun. This makes him seem more like the eighth Weasley child, sometimes, than the head of the family. [part 2 follows...] From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6861 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Date: 8/14/00 6:33 pm (ET) ...and part 2! Neil *** Arthur Weasley [continued] In the more recent books, Arthur Weasley's fatherly concern for Harry becomes more obvious. "Harry, swear to me that you won't go looking for Black," he urges, in PoA, "whatever you might hear." Harry does hear Arthur and Molly discussing his welfare at the Leaky Cauldron, a conversation which tells him the truth but also the fact that Arthur can be trusted to do the right thing. One of the most moving moments in GoF is when Harry says goodbye before leaving the Dursleys and Arthur shames Vernon into replying: "Harry said goodbye to you ... Didn't you hear him?" There is no love lost between Arthur and Lucius Malfoy, and this secondary 'good vs evil' storyline looks set to be a page turner at some point. In CoS, when Harry reports that Malfoy has been selling things in Borgin and Burkes, Arthur says, with grim satisfaction. "So he's worried. Oh, I'd love to get Lucius Malfoy for something." Not long after, the pair are brawling in Flourish and Blotts. Lucius taunts Arthur about his lack of wealth and love of Muggles, as a front, so he can slip Riddle's diary into Ginny's transfiguration book. He succeeds in this ruse, but the animosity between the two wizards during the fight is very real and raises the tension for the later books. Arthur tries to see the good in people. He likes waster, Ludo Bagman, and is in awe of his celebrity status, but seems powerless to stop the twins giving Bagman all their savings for a bet. Again, it's really Molly's reaction he's worried about: "Don't tell your mother you've been gambling," he implores. We're also told that he has a soft spot for Mad-Eye Moody "Arthur's the only one who can get Mad-Eye off," Amos Diggory tells Molly from the fireplace, just before Arthur disappears to deal with Alastor's dustbin frenzy and drag his own name into the tabloids again. Weak? Gullible? Kindly? When the Death Eaters appear at the Quidditch World Cup (GoF), Arthur takes a more measured approach to the situation than some of the other adults, despite being torn between his parental role and his Ministry duties. Harry asks the point of the cruel taunting of the Muggle family. "The point?" says Mr Weasley, with a hollow laugh. "Harry, that's their idea of fun." He also shows his social conscience when Hermione is outraged at the way Winky is treated: "Hermione, I agree with you," he says, "but now is not the time to discuss elf rights." In the final analysis of GoF, Dumbledore says Arthur is "well placed to contact those at the Ministry who are not as short-sighted as Cornelius," indicating that he is planning to circumvent Fudge, and use good old Arthur. But how? Um discuss! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:36:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6862 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6829] Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Date: 8/14/00 6:36 pm (ET) >>Too old to play Snape, eh? How about this? I know of a few folks who look quite old, and others who are the opposite.<< If the movies can pair up Jack Nicholson with Helen Hunt, then age issues are definitely not their concern. Age can be erased by makeup. Take the movie "The Natural" where an aging Robert Redford had to do scenes in which he was 18 years old. If the actor is talented (like I think Alan Rickman and Richard Harris are) the performance will cover up the details. Spoken as a very youthful looking 40 yr old. Ravenclaw Randy :0) From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:38:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: HP in Spanish (was: PoA in French) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6863 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: HP in Spanish (was: PoA in French) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6838] PoA in French Date: 8/14/00 6:38 pm (ET) I have read both "Harry Potter y la piedra filosofal" (PS/SS) and "HP y la camara secreta" (CoS). These are the Castillian Spanish/Latin American translations. Very sadly, they leave many of the words in English. Even some of the book titles are still the same, i.e. "Moste Potente Potions." At one point they did put "dragon" after Draco's name, but that's about it. Probably the biggest change is Tom Riddle's name. In here it is spelled "Tom Sorvolo Ryddle," which spells out "Soy Lord Voldemort" ("I am Lord Voldemort") when rearranged. Unfortunately, they forgot to keep this up: when Harry finds his diary, it reads "T.M. Riddle" on the cover... I'll look through the books for more changes, but I don't think there's anything big. ~Kaitlin From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:41:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:41:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6864 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6862] Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Date: 8/14/00 6:41 pm (ET) Also note how I "robbed the cradle" when picking a mate. She still gets carted long after 21 came and went! (But not too long ago, Carole!) Randy :0) See my profile for picture of the Real Arthur Weasley and his band of Red Headed boys. Granted the red is more Auburn and highlights in the kids hair, but when the beards arive the true Scotsman comes out !! Grandaddy Dyer lives on in his grandchildren and greatgrandchildren!! From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:42:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6865 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6855] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/14/00 6:42 pm (ET) Ok...but does every single person in the school attend the matches? ~Kaitlin From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:48:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6866 From: Rip_Washington Subject: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Date: 8/14/00 6:48 pm (ET) Just an observation on my part, but I find it curious that mention is even made of the number of pages book 4 has. It's fairly obvious that the combined total of all 4 books exceed 700 pages. Most of us here will read the remaining 3 novels REGARDLESS of the number of pages. Let's not forget those voracious Potterites who are in their 3rd or 4th (or more) reading of the ENTIRE SERIES! If GoF had long stretches of boring dialogue, or was badly written, I'd say extreme editing was needed. It seems to me that GoF maintained, if not surpassed, the same level of integrity as the books preceding it. I have yet to read a disappointing Harry Potter book! I gather a lot of readers feel the same way. Heck, I read GoF in 1 day and was disappointed the story had to end. I'm currently rereading the series from the beginning. This time last month I'd have asked you, "Who the heck is Harry Potter?" If the saga remains as enchanting as it's been up to now, I could care less how many pages the books are. As far as Harry Potter goes, JKR can't write enough! (Spoken by one who apparently has too much time on his hands...) From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 00:10:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:10:00 -0400 Subject: Jumping ahead...Bagman and Mr. Weasley. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6867 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Jumping ahead...Bagman and Mr. Weasley. Date: 8/14/00 8:10 pm (ET) I know this is half-off topic, for a couple of weeks but I just wanted to mention, Ludo Bagman in realation to A. Weasely. I really feel that he was a mediocere character and we MIGHT see more of him. (hmmm What do you think???) Also Ludo is latin for "play". Which certainly describes Bagman well. What I think will be interesting is seeing who is going to follow good old A.W. and who will side with Fudge. My statements about Bagman, show that I am yet undecided about where his loyalties lie. I see Amos D. as, despite Cedric's death, as being a Fudge-ite. The real person that I wonder about is none other than Percy. Will Percy side with Fudge orhis own Father, and could this be a potential conflict to be explored in Furture books.... Scott From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 01:32:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6868 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Reply To: [Yahoo! #6861] Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Date: 8/14/00 9:32 pm (ET) I was wondering this the other day - could this be another reason that the Weasleys don't have a house Elf? Arthur Weasley says in the forest that he agrees with Hermiones views. Maybe this is also why he hasn't had too much promotion at the Ministry - he sypathises too much with the House Elves, which goes against the philosophies of the wizard population in general. Perhaps he will be very important indeed in the books to come as a political force... From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 02:20:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6869 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6803] Richard Harris & Alan Rickman in HP Film Date: 8/14/00 10:20 pm (ET) <<I read a short note in the Boston Globe about a possible casting of Alan Rickman as Snape and Richard Harris as Dumbledore. I do think Alan Rickman -with his fame as Rasputin in the HBO Movie- will make a great Snape.>> I think both of them may have already officially signed up. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 02:26:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6870 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Reply To: [Yahoo! #6868] Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Date: 8/14/00 10:26 pm (ET) Could he have said this just to keep Hermione quiet or could you be right. I must say I have always thought that Authur, as a head of dept. for the MoM should get a comfortable salary. So what his views are, and the fact that he keeps the same position could have some link, I s'pose...but that certainly would not be very tactful of Fudge to descriminate against MoM officals for their personal views, tho I would not put much past HIM. So if Arthur REALLY does agree w/ Hermione on SPEW, and of course his love for Muggles, it could certainly be a reason for the way other wizards treat him, especially the Malfoys. Hmmm, Why DO the Malfoys hate him so much? Scott From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 02:38:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: More Movie Casting News!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6871 From: angelx_ph Subject: More Movie Casting News!!! Date: 8/14/00 10:38 pm (ET) Here's the news I got from the IMDb. I'll keep you guys posted on the all the latest developments: Potter Stars Confirmed Opening a book festival in Edinburgh, Scotland Sunday, J.K. Rowling confirmed that Warner Bros. has cast Maggie Smith and Robbie Coltrane in starring roles for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. As reported by today's (Monday)London Daily Telegraph, Rowling remarked, "They were the two I wanted most of all, and I am quite happy about that." She declined to state who had been selected to play Harry, although the Telegraph reported that a young actor has been chosen for the role but a contract has not been signed. From manyskills2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 02:42:00 2000 From: manyskills2000 at yahoo.com (manyskills2000) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6872 From: manyskills2000 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/14/00 10:42 pm (ET) Was it just me, or was the end of "Goblet of Fire" kind of disturbing? Violence, death, kids all of a sudden showing lack of remorse (e.g. Hermione and the bug in the jar, the kids stepping over another kid in the hallway). Why did Malfoy's henchkids have to be Deatheaters - isn't that sort of hard to swallow - they're only 14 or something! What happened to JKR when she was writing this last bit - and where were her editors?!?!?! Or am I just oversensitive. ManySkills - just joined. From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 03:07:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6873 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/14/00 11:07 pm (ET) It's been a common thread around here, actually, Many (read back posts and you'll see). Yes, I agree... it was definitely darker then the previous three books. But for me, that only served to verify that the books weren't necessarily slated for young children as I had originally thought when I picked up the first one. And, truth be told, when you compare it to The Hobbit/Lord of The Rings with their various themes, it's really not all that bad. Books 1-3 kept me thinking I was crazy for being so addicted to these "books for kids." 4 convinced me these were books for everyone, including adults. :-) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 03:14:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6874 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: JKR Unauthorized Biography Reply To: [Yahoo! #6848] JKR Unauthorized Biography Date: 8/14/00 11:14 pm (ET) As someone who found the unauthorized bio very interesting, I was alarmed at Penny's report that it contains glaring inaccuracies. I like to give my students biographical information about all of the authors they are reading about, but if TWBHP is that horrible, I won't put it in my reading center. Could someone direct me to a more reliable source of JKR information? Thanks-- Ebony AKA AngieJ From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 03:44:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6875 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/14/00 11:44 pm (ET) i was under the impression that it wasnt crabbe and goyle of hogwarts who were the death eaters, but their fathers. crabbe jnr and goyle jnr would be too young to be able to apparate and wouldnt be able to apparate out of the hogwarts ground to voldemort anyway. From potterpotty at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 04:39:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6876 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Reply To: [Yahoo! #6870] Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Date: 8/15/00 12:39 am (ET) Apart from being despicable snobs who treat the Galleon-challenged, half-bloods and Muggles with contempt, the Malfoys probably dislike him because (1) he did not defect to the Dark Side when the Malfoys did and(2) Arthur simply doesn't subscribe to Malfoy's philosophies; by being different and not easily bought or scared off by Malfoy's wealth as some other members of the MoM appear to be. He doesn't have the authority or status to be influential enough, for the Malfoys' unsavoury ends. From potterpotty at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 05:00:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6877 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 1:00 am (ET) JKR did warn that there would be more deaths in the books to come. I agree that GoF was dark but I see it as a natural progression. Voldemort had to get stronger - he couldn't remain this decrepit being in the series - Harry's getting older and will acquire more skills so the battle has to be tougher. I do have a question about Harry's encounter with V in GoF. It's obvious Harry couldn't be killed off in Book 4 but you know when V wanted his blood, why didn't Wormtail just get on with the job(ie like slice off a finger or hand...sorry about this gruesome thought). He only cut Harry (don't have the book with me at the moment, can't recall where he was cut) but it was only a minor injury. Could it possible that Wormtail feels indebted to Harry for saving his life in PoA (as mentioned by Dumbledore in PoA) and couldn't just kill or dismember him ? I believe Wormtail is going to be quite a central character in the forthcoming books, loyal to V yet indebted to Harry but also because maybe only his confession before the Council/MoM can exonerate Black completely from the purported crime he was imprisoned for. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 05:15:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6878 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: JKR Unauthorized Biography Reply To: [Yahoo! #6848] JKR Unauthorized Biography Date: 8/15/00 1:15 am (ET) Thanks for the warning, Penny. I was thinking of buying it, but I'll think twice (or three or four times). I do have a possible explanation for one of your concerns, however (tongue firmly in cheek). <<For one thing, he didn't even get her birthdate right. Bloomsbury's official HP site confirmed what I thought: she was born the same year I was, 1965. This Shapiro character has her born in 1966. >> Maybe she changed her birthdate. My boyfriend was also born in July of 1965, but refuses to admit that he just turned 35. He said that this birthday, he remained 34 (moving his birthdate to 1966). Maybe Jo did the same thing. ;-) Melanie From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 07:52:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:52:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6879 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6877] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 3:52 am (ET) Hello everyone! my first post here. the reason why Wormtail cut off his hand but only took some blood from harry is because it stated V. needed the flesh of a servant but only the blood of an enemy From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 07:58:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:58:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter too violent? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6880 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Harry Potter too violent? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6804] Harry Potter too violent? Date: 8/15/00 3:58 am (ET) nope. my sister has read them and she's 8 yrs old. funny thing is that she reckons CoS was the scariest. From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 11:25:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:25:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6881 From: jferer Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 7:25 am (ET) The Death Eaters Crabbe and Goyle are apparently the fathers of the students. Draco's toadies would have been babies when last Voldemort fell; they couldn't be Death Eaters. I think what JKR is doing is important. Kids need to know that the bad guys are *bad*. They got brought up on not-so-bad, kinda funny Disney villains, and they get a rude shock when and if they find out the truth about the Dark Side. This is where moral relativism comes from. How would "conflict resolution" work with Voldemort? From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 11:45:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:45:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6882 From: jferer Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6858] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 7:45 am (ET) I don't agree we know that there are only eight Gryffindors in Harry's year. There are five boys, and we have only heard of three girls, but we haven't been told that's all there are. A lot of this comes from the editing of the books to resolve what seem to be conflicting signals. JKR may not have built her society before writing the books in the same way Tolkien did with LOTR. My number is based on more than the carriages/boats thing or the Quidditch attendance of the number of tables at the Yule Ball. Without having gone farther into the numbers, a student body as small as 300 argues a society so small with a birthrate so low it isn't sustainable. There wouldn't be enough wizarding people to support Diagon Alley and the Leaky Cauldron and Quality Quidditch Supplies and Bertie Bott's and so on if there were only 300 some odd new members a year. The idea wizards live longer is some answer to that, but a society has to renew itself. If Hogwarts is more exclusive than we've been led to believe, what happens to the others? An exclusive Hogwarts conflicts with what JKR said in an interview about the selection process. We may not persuade each other here, but think about the kind of society the magical world has and what kind of population it takes to support it. A magician *has* to be trained -- it would be downright dangerous not to -- and they have to be trained somewhere. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 12:34:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:34:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6883 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6882] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 8:34 am (ET) It is possible that Hogwarts is currently underpopulated and has a capacity rather above the current enrollment, which would address the 'society needing suficient reproduction rate' argument. Specfically, a lot of wizard families may have chosen not to have kids during the latter years of the rise of Lord Voldemort due to the fear and uncertainty of the future - perhaps the large family of the Weasley's reflects their hope and optimism! From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 12:56:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6884 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 8:56 am (ET) Re: Malfoy's henchmen. I think you are mixing up Draco Malfoy's "buddys" with their parents. The Deatheaters that gather to V at the end of GoF are the parents of Draco's "mates". It simply shows that the dark wizards and the good wizards are divided along family lines as well as ties to Slytherin. Jim From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 13:07:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6885 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6855] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 9:07 am (ET) Sorry, I think your logic is askew. There is no indication that the 200 people wearing green constituted 1/4 of the crowd. There could have been people not wearing any team colors. Jim From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 13:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:40:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6886 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Number of Students Date: 8/15/00 9:40 am (ET) Hi: If only JKR knew how much we all debate this particular subject -- it would make a great interview question for her! <<<It is possible that Hogwarts is currently underpopulated and has a capacity rather above the current enrollment, which would address the 'society needing suficient reproduction rate' argument. Specfically, a lot of wizard families may have chosen not to have kids during the latter years of the rise of Lord Voldemort due to the fear and uncertainty of the future - perhaps the large family of the Weasley's reflects their hope and optimism!>>> Great points Brooksindy! I wonder too if the gap between Charlie & Percy could also be partially explained by the Voldemort years. That could well be the reason for the "2 Weasley families." <<<I don't agree we know that there are only eight Gryffindors in Harry's year. There are five boys, and we have only heard of three girls, but we haven't been told that's all there are.>>> Well, we may not have been told explicitly, but surely new Gryffindor girl(s) aren't going to be introduced all of a sudden in Book 5. We all wondered whether Parvarti's twin was another Gryffindor girl, and we found out that she is a Ravenclaw in GoF. I think enough mention is made of the 8 Gryffindors in Harry's year that we can be reasonably sure there are no others. There are numerous descriptions of the classes in all 4 books, and JKR makes brief but repeated mentions of Parvarti, Lavender, Seamus & Dean. Of course, Neville, Ron & Hermione are mentioned more than briefly. I can't imagine that JKR's suddenly going to describe a previously never-mentioned Gryffindor girl in Book 5. While we really have no idea for sure how many Ravenclaws, Hufflepuffs & Slytherins there are in Harry's year, I do think JKR has gone to some trouble to describe Harry's fellow Gryffindors (the ones in his year that is). I see your point about the general wizarding population levels, but I still think the preponderence of the evidence in the books suggests a current student body at Hogwarts of somewhere between 225-300. Perhaps Brooksindy's point about the falling birth rates during the Voldemort years is the explanation. Before GoF, I might have tried to argue that Hogwarts was perhaps not the only wizarding school in the UK. But, I think that argument would be much weaker now. Still somewhat plausible, but definitely weaker. Just my 2 galleons for the day on this subject -- Penny From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 13:44:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6887 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow Reply To: [Yahoo! #6842] Tutshill, Wyedean and Chepstow Date: 8/15/00 9:44 am (ET) Thanks for the photos, Nick. I can certainly see how Chepstow could have had some influence on how JKR has written the descriptions of Hogwarts. Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 13:57:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:57:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Unauthorized Biography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6888 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: JKR Unauthorized Biography Reply To: [Yahoo! #6848] JKR Unauthorized Biography Date: 8/15/00 9:57 am (ET) Our unofficially "adopted" teenager (and recent HP fan) bought the unauthorized biography for me yesterday. I has quickly become something humourous here. The general consensus in this household is that the author has not even read the books! He says on p. 7 that the "owls run banks" - doesn't sound like anyone who's read the first book, anyway. My daughter objects to his description of Crookshanks as a "strange creature" - "he's a cat, even we have one of those, how strange can that be" was her comment. I agree that he did little to no research on this book and probably has most dates and time frames wrong. He says JKR went to Portugal in Sept. 1990, subsequently met her husband, had 2 good years of marriage and by the time she found out she was pregnant in 1992, her marriage was in a "rough patch", with the marriage them crumbling in 1993 after the birth of her daughter. It may only be me trying to find fault, but it looks like all couldn't have happened in the time frame given. Enough, I could go off on a wonderful rant, but I would just be repeating what's already been said about this poorly written piece of rot. Sheryll From Cepheus42 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 13:59:00 2000 From: Cepheus42 at yahoo.com (Cepheus42) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6889 From: Cepheus42 Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6882] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 9:59 am (ET) >>Without having gone farther into the numbers, a student body as small as 300 argues a society so small with a birthrate so low it isn't sustainable.<< Not necessarily. Remember, there are at least two other European schools that we know of now, and it was implied (I think) that these were just the major schools, so there could be others. That does not account for schools in other parts of the globe as well. In addition, the number of students who attend the schools do not account for students who may not be accepted to any school or whose parents refuse to let them attend one of the wizarding schools. And we are already aware of the fact that wizard children might be born of muggle parents, thus the society is being regenerated even if you were to kill off every living one of them today. Therefore, I would argue that a student body of 300 is entirely appropriate (and the rough number I had arrived at when I read the books). From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:03:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6890 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6861] Arthur Weasley (2 of 2) Date: 8/15/00 10:03 am (ET) Arthur is quickly becoming one of mmy favourite characters. I suspect that is partially due to his fascination with the Muggle world. His reactions to Muggle artifacts is wonderous, delightful and always slightly humourous. He's like a kid in a candy store when he finds new things. I agree with those who see him having a much larger part to play in later books, especially in regards to Lucius Malfoy. I am just itching to see a showdown between the two of them! I suspect Lucius would be surprised at how much of an adversary Arthur could turn out to be. Sheryll (who has just discovered a hole in the bottom of the coffee pot - uh-oh, it's empty...must refill...oooooh, the agony of withdrawal) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6891 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:04 am (ET) Hi -- All you women (and men!) who have professed an . . . . "interest" (<g>) in Sirius Black -- Carole & I need your help/input. We're trying to decide what color eyes our dashing Mr. Black has. Apparently there's no description in the books (that we could find anyway). We know he has black hair & he's thin. Jim Dale gave him a Scottish accent in the audio versions, and this jives with our mental image of Sirius -- an outdoorsy Scot. Without telling you which one of us favors which eye color, we do have 2 different thoughts on his eyes & could use some input -- 1. Black hair and dark brown eyes -- OR 2. Black hair and piercing blue eyes. Any input or thoughts??? <g> Penny From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:05:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:05:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6892 From: jferer Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6883] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 10:05 am (ET) It certainly is possible that Hogwarts is underpopulated. Good point. There may not have been a large "baby boom" after Voldemort's first defeat because there weren't "troops" that went away and then came home. Increasing optimism would have meant an upper trend of some kind, though. Another factor may be that some wizarding people would have not marrying Muggles during the first struggle for fear of what would happen to them and their families, depressing population growth further. "If we hadn't married Muggles we would have died out". I'm not convinced of it, there's no direct evidence I know of. Another speculation on the other side is there could be more Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws than Gryffindors and Slytherins. There's a lot more people who do the work than there are who get the glory. There's absolutely no evidence for this, either. The Weasleys seem to be the kind of family that embodies hope and optimism, don't they? From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:09:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6893 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:09 am (ET) Penny, Although black hair and blue eyes is the more interesting of the combinations.....when I close my eyes I see brown eyes. This brings a question to mind. If McGonagall and Rita Skeeter have markings due to their glasses when they transform, would eye colour be consistent as well. If it is, I would think someone would have noticed if Sirius had blue eyes in his animal form. However, my mind could just be working overtime when the topic of Sirius comes up! Sheryll From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:30:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: Free Copy of Book 1 With Purchase Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6894 From: heiditandy Subject: Free Copy of Book 1 With Purchase Date: 8/15/00 10:30 am (ET) At http://www.smarterkids.com/free1/acq/btsgift_15/default.asp?z=99AMKSCR1781, you can add a paperback copy of Book 1 to your shopping cart - when you order $15 of merchandise, the book is free (but you have to pay 95 cents shipping in the US (I don't know if the offer is available outside the US) From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:43:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius's Eyes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6895 From: golden_faile Subject: Sirius's Eyes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:43 am (ET) On the cover of GOF there is a picture of Sirius in dog form,his eyes are brown,so I'm assuming Sirius also has brown eyes. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 14:56:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6896 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:56 am (ET) Well, I don't know what colour eyes Sirius has in his human form for sure. But don't forget what colour Padfoot's eyes are. He's 'an enormous, jet-black, pale-eyed dog.' (PoA, ch. 17). So if you're going by the idea that he has similar markings in human as in animal form, that would indicate he has slightly strange-coloured eyes, perhaps light grey or blue. Many other times, especially when Harry first sees him, his (Padfoot's) eyes are described as 'wide' and 'gleaming.' Maybe that's some help to you. If you asked me to make a straight choice between brown and piercing blue, I'd go for blue. ~Blaise. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:10:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:10:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6897 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6872] Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:10 am (ET) <,kids all of a sudden showing lack of remorse (e.g. Hermione and the bug in the jar, the kids stepping over another kid in the hallway...)>> Other people have addressed some of the other comments in this post, but I wanted to defend Hermione & Gred & Forge Weasley here (a) it's not a lack of remorse that causes her to keep Rita the Skeeter in a jar - she does it to prevent Rita from publishing more falsehoods in the paper at such a terrible time (i.e. after the Triwizard Cup finale, and the description Rita heard of what happened to Harry in the cemetary) - Rita's got air, and food enough for a fat little beetle, and Hermione has promised to let her out once they're back in London. That's not lack of remorse - that's helping friends! (b) No, Fred probably shouldn't've stepped on Draco's henchkid (don't remember if it was Crabbe or Goyle) and George, well, stepping on Malfoy may've been avoidable, but don't forget that Malfoy had just been advocating killing "muggle-lovers and mudbloods" and was perfectly chipper about Cedric's death. I don't want to sound like I'm advocating violence for no good reason, but some people just need to be kicked sometimes. Especially when you haven't done advanced transfiguration & don't know how to turn someone into a bouncing ferret yet. From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:20:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6898 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6893] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 11:20 am (ET) Hmmmmm, yummy thought...I personally see steel gray eyes. But then again, that's just me! From mayacloud at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:42:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6899 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6877] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:42 am (ET) Wow - great point. I questioned Wormtail's 'delicateness' too, and again gave JKR too little credit. And thanks for that clarification about Crabbe and Goyle. But I have to say JKR has been clever in pretending to present bad and good guys in black and white, then surprising you. This is actually very instructive to young people, since it's often quite tough to really know a person : as Shakespeare says, "You can smile and smile and be a villain" ,and similarly good guys don't always have pleasing exteriors or friendly personalities. Similarly, people abusing positions of power (e.g. elder Malfoy) don't necessarily have to be evil through and through. In others words, obviously, most people are a cut of grey. I figured the Malfoys would be ultimately found to be merely annoying, not irretrievably evil. From mayacloud at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:43:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6900 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6875] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:43 am (ET) Thanks! You're right, of course, everyone else seems to have figure that out except me. Thanks for responding. From mayacloud at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:50:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:50:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6901 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6884] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:50 am (ET) You're right, of course, and boy do I feel dumb. I like how at least SOME slythering folks are not necesarily evil through and through. JKR usually does a good job showing that its not always obvious who is good and who is evil. I hope she continues this pattern. What disturbed me was that it seemed like some of the 'heroes' were doing slightly 'evil' things, like imprisoning that journalist, and hitting Draco with curses and leaving him to rot in the hallway. From mayacloud at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:52:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6902 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6881] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:52 am (ET) Yeah, Voldemort is irretrievably bad. But I hope JKR continues to paint pictures of the other bad guys as somewhere along a continuum of bad vs. good - that is, human beings are USUALLY not black or white, but grey. Maybe I'm asking too much of a 'mere children's story', but so far she has shown some cleverness and subtlety in this regard. From mayacloud at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:56:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6903 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6873] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 11:56 am (ET) I wonder if the series will start to lose its supposed 'target audience'? I'm no youngling, but I kept thinking about (and feeling slightly disturbed about) those last few scenes. It's not just that there were dark scenes (True), but that the supposed 'heroes' did some nasties (imprisoned a journalist, mass attacked an annoying schoolmate). The books ARE addicting, though, I wish I could figure out how JKR's style is so damned readable - when's the last time you swallowed a 700 page book so effortlessly? Thanks for responding ManySkills From vderark at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 16:25:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:25:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6904 From: vderark Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6886] Number of Students Date: 8/15/00 12:25 pm (ET) I think there are definitely more wizarding schools in the UK and everywhere else. The "Big Three" are the premier schools, of course, and everyone wants to get into them who has ambitions toward things like the Ministry of Magic. But that doesn't make them the biggest by any means. Sometimes the most exclusive schools are very small intentionally because they're selective. Think too that the number of schools may also have declined during the V years and is only now coming back. It's intriguing to think that we are seeing a civilization in the process of rebuilding itself after a terrible, decimating era in their history. We can't automatically draw conclusions about what's "normal" for this culture based on what it's like right now. Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 17:15:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: Gilderoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6905 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Gilderoy Date: 8/15/00 1:15 pm (ET) Here's a thought. Ever see the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Watching it today, I was reminded of where I had seen him before--Sir Robin! Or am I wrong? From naraht at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 17:52:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6906 From: naraht Subject: Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Reply To: [Yahoo! #6868] Re: Arthur Weasley (2 of 2)-House Elves Date: 8/15/00 1:52 pm (ET) As far as I'm concerned there is zero chance that Cornelius Fudge will still be Minister of Magic at the end of the series. My bet is that it will be Arthur. The only other people who have a smidgen of a chance are Mrs. Weasley (if Arthur is killed by Lucius) and maybe McGongall. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 18:39:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6907 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 2:39 pm (ET) I always think of Dark Brown eyes... From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 19:18:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: You Must Read This Article.... :-) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6908 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: You Must Read This Article.... :-) Date: 8/15/00 3:18 pm (ET) I don't know if anyone has posted a link to this "article" yet, but I was ROTFL @ this gem... http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 19:21:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: HP as Coming-of-Age Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6909 From: selah_1977 Subject: HP as Coming-of-Age Series Date: 8/15/00 3:21 pm (ET) According to the facilitators of the conference I'm attending this week (and last), there really isn't a comparable children's series to the HP novels. We discussed it at length. We agreed that there are at least two authors (both American) who have successfully crossed the Age Line. Judy Blume and Walter Dean Myers have written popular children's, YA, and adult novels. However, the characters, settings, and themes varied from book to book. It seems that while in many series the characters age, the reading level (and maturity of themes handled) stays virtually the same. I spoke to the group about our discussion of GoF's darkening themes. The consensus among both presenters and teachers was that this is nothing new. We all could think of many adolescent books that had been "banned" for one reason or another due to some of the same concerns that have been raised about GoF. One prominent example is Katherine Patterson's *Bridge to Terabithia", which won the Newberry Medal (the Pulizter of U.S. kidlit). It is on just about every fourth and fifth grade reading list in this country. The character who dies is the narrator's best friend. It also bears noting that the average American middle schooler watches plenty of PG-13 and R rated movies that make HP look like a walk in the park. I'll admit that we are biased. You won't find too many English teachers who think censorship is wonderful. Age appropriateness is the key, IMO. Again, I repeat: where can you find accurate biographical information on Rowling? I feel quite embarrassed for thinking the unauthorized bio contained legitimate information. I don't follow much JKR/HP-related press offline--for one thing, I don't have the time. As for the book 4 title being inaccurate, this may not be entirely the author's fault. If you look at the inside front cover, the copyright date is 1999. --Ebony AKA AngieJ From mmicklin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 19:26:00 2000 From: mmicklin at yahoo.com (mmicklin) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6910 From: mmicklin Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6903] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 3:26 pm (ET) Wasn't the "target audience" supposed to age along with Harry -- i.e. book 4 would be suitable for kids around 14? If that's the case then I don't think the series will lose any of its audience. IMO, I thought the kids showed restraint in only hexing Malfoy & Co. I'd have hexed 'em and thrown them out the train window while unconscious. <g> MJ From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 19:31:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6911 From: jferer Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6902] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 3:31 pm (ET) JKR is doing a superb job of showing her readers the complexities of real life. We have Cornelius Fudge, a pleasant old codger who is doing evil's work because he won't step up to his duty because he just wants to enjoy his cushy job; and Snape, a genuinely nasty so-and-so who has served against Voldemort 'at great peril to his life' and is about to do it again. Hermione keeping Rita in a jar is karmic revenge, and it's made clear Rita's going to be let go; besides, it's not evil treatment for a beetle, is it? As for Draco, Crabbe, and Goyle, they've suffered no lasting harm, and they just deserve it so much it's hard to lose any sleep over them. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 19:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:52:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Darkness & Tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6912 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: GoF Darkness & Tone Date: 8/15/00 3:52 pm (ET) Hi: Mayacloud wrote: <<<Maybe I'm asking too much of a 'mere children's story', but so far she has shown some cleverness and subtlety in this regard.>>> I'm beginning to sound like a broken record -- sorry. JKR has said in virtually every interview that she's ever given that these books were NOT written with any target audience in mind. They are *not* "mere childrens' books." In fact, she wrote them with her own reading enjoyment in mind, and, of course, she was an adult when she wrote them. They do have broad cross-appeal to adults & children alike -- quite unique. But, Scholastic is missing the boat by marketing them to the 9-12 age group. Given the existing popularity among adults, they could really increase their sales figures even more dramatically with a clever marketing plan aimed at adults (both with & without kids). A childrens' book that sold several hundred thousand copies would be considered a "bestseller" by most publishers. By contrast, JKR's books have record-setting sales. GoF had the largest print run EVER (not just for childrens' books), and beat the nearest competitor (John Grisham) by 158%. And, they've gone back to press for a 2nd print run in record-setting time. There's no way anyone will ever convince me that large numbers of adults are not buying these books for themselves (not just for their kids or someone else's kids). Not with those sorts of sales figures. Someone has cited a marketing study that estimates that 43% of the HP books that are sold are being sold to adults for adults. I will skip my std NY Times rant (I know you're all breathing a big sigh of relief on that one!). Rant over. Sorry. I feel much better now. <g> Perhaps there should be a warning in our FAQs section -- if you mention that the HP books are "childrens' books," one of the co-founders is likely to begin to expound endlessly (and in a tiresome manner) on the subject!! <vbg> Thanks for putting up with my hot-buttons -- Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: number of printings (USA) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6913 From: heiditandy Subject: number of printings (USA) Reply To: [Yahoo! #6912] RE: GoF Darkness & Tone Date: 8/15/00 4:02 pm (ET) Penny wrote: <And, they've gone back to press for a 2nd print run in record-setting time.> I was in Wallgreen's (drug store chain) this weekend, and checked to see which printing they were up to by now - they had a 4th printing there - has anyone seen a 5th yet? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: "Lack of Remorse" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6914 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: "Lack of Remorse" Date: 8/15/00 4:02 pm (ET) Hi: Mayacloud wrote: <<>>>... kids all of a sudden showing lack of remorse (e.g. Hermione and the bug in the jar, the kids stepping over another kid in the hallway...)>><<< Heidi responded: <<(a) it's not a lack of remorse that causes her to keep Rita the Skeeter in a jar - she does it to prevent Rita from publishing more falsehoods in the paper at such a terrible time (i.e. after the Triwizard Cup finale, and the description Rita heard of what happened to Harry in the cemetary) - Rita's got air, and food enough for a fat little beetle, and Hermione has promised to let her out once they're back in London. That's not lack of remorse - that's helping friends!>>> I agree completely with Heidi, and I'd add that while Hermione is getting some personal revenge against Rita Skeeter (for herself and her friends, particularly Harry), she's doing so for what I would term "noble" reasons. She's taking a stand against irresponsible journalism. Rita's not being mistreated as Heidi pointed out, and Hermione's merely trying to drive home her point with Rita. I didn't at all see that scene as a demonstration of "lack of remorse" on Hermione's part. Heidi wrote: <<<(b) <snip> but don't forget that Malfoy had just been advocating killing "muggle-lovers and mudbloods" and was perfectly chipper about Cedric's death.>>> There will be 2 definite camps within the wizarding world again, starting with Book 5. This just demonstrates clearly to us the readers that Harry & his friends will have to make choices & take a stand against evil. Like Heidi, I don't think advocating violence as a solution to all problems is a good route. But, the actions & statements of Malfoy & his cronies go beyond mere schoolyard taunting -- he's advocating elimination (murder) of an entire class of people. Penny From timjlittle at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:04:00 2000 From: timjlittle at yahoo.com (timjlittle) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6915 From: timjlittle Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6901] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 4:04 pm (ET) Are we still using spoilers? I'm not sure so I will try to type some junk to push what I have to say off the screen. Mayacloud wrote: <<What disturbed me was that it seemed like some of the 'heroes' were doing slightly 'evil' things, like imprisoning that journalist, and hitting Draco with curses and leaving him to rot in the hallway. >> I think it simply shows teenagers being teenagers by venting their feelings in a slightly uncontrolled way. By not making HP etc saints JKR makes them more human. It also shows the greyness of good and evil. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: More on GoF -- Darkness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6916 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More on GoF -- Darkness Date: 8/15/00 4:13 pm (ET) Hi: Mayacloud wrote: <<<I wonder if the series will start to lose its supposed 'target audience'?>>> See my earlier post. <g> No target audience. <<<I'm no youngling, but I kept thinking about (and feeling slightly disturbed about) those last few scenes. It's not just that there were dark scenes (True), but that the supposed 'heroes' did some nasties (imprisoned a journalist, mass attacked an annoying schoolmate).>>> The "heroes" are not one-dimensional and shouldn't remain so. I strongly suspect that before the series ends, Harry will have confronted a number of moral dilemnas. He may stumble along the way -- make the wrong choice for misguided reasons. That is all part of his ultimate character formation -- the true aim of any bildungsroman. There's also the emphasis that's been placed on Harry's "dark" side. He shares some characteristics (and perhaps an even closer familial relationship) with Lord Voldemort. Their wands share a connection through Fawkes. The Sorting Hat initially wanted to place him in Slytherin. I think all of this will come into play in the next 3 books, and personally, I look forward to it. <g> I also see a strong possibility that Ron may betray Harry (whether inadvertently or because he's spurred by jealousy or some other motivation is another post). <<<The books ARE addicting, though, I wish I could figure out how JKR's style is so damned readable - when's the last time you swallowed a 700 page book so effortlessly?>>> Well, I read alot -- and being a voracious reader, I've never been put off by the "length" of a book. Granted, her books are consumed more readily than something more turgid. But, the thing I love about her writing style are the subtle hints & wordplays strewn throughout the text -- I pick up on (or hear) something new everytime I read or listen to the books. Penny From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:24:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6917 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6904] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/15/00 4:24 pm (ET) >>> I think there are definitely more wizarding schools in the UK and everywhere else. The "Big Three" are the premier schools, of course, and everyone wants to get into them who has ambitions toward things like the Ministry of Magic. But that doesn't make them the biggest by any means. Sometimes the most exclusive schools are very small intentionally because they're selective. Think too that the number of schools may also have declined during the V years and is only now coming back. >>> Good point, Steve! I've always thought that there might be a few wizard children who are home-schooled as well. Muggle children are home-schooled, why not wizard children? Perhaps there are other parents like the Malfoys who disapprove of Dumbledore but don't want their children going as far away as Durmstrang. -- JoAnna From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:30:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: HP as Coming of Age Series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6918 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: HP as Coming of Age Series Date: 8/15/00 4:30 pm (ET) Hi: Ebony wrote: <<<According to the facilitators of the conference I'm attending this week (and last), there really isn't a comparable children's series to the HP novels.>>> <<<We discussed it at length. We agreed that there are at least two authors (both American) who have successfully crossed the Age Line. Judy Blume and Walter Dean Myers have written popular children's, YA, and adult novels. However, the characters, settings, and themes varied from book to book.>>> <<<It seems that while in many series the characters age, the reading level (and maturity of themes handled) stays virtually the same.>>>> Thanks for confirming that Ebony. That's what I suspected, but I'm certainly no expert in childrens' lit. I read all the Judy Blume books when I was 9-12 myself (even the "adult" ones and boy my mom would have *flipped out* had she known what was in those "adult" books I can assure you!). But, the characters & themes are all completely different, and they are even shelved in different areas in bookstores & libraries. <<< It also bears noting that the average American middle schooler watches plenty of PG-13 and R rated movies that make HP look like a walk in the park.>>> True enough. But, of course, it's hard to say whether Book 7 will be a "walk in the park" compared to GoF for example. I think that will ultimately fall to the parents to decide. <<<I'll admit that we are biased. You won't find too many English teachers who think censorship is wonderful.>>> Ooh, I hope you didn't misinterpret *my* earlier statements. I was in no way advocating censorship; I'm definitely against that. I think if individual parents want to censor their childrens' reading material, that's their choice. Schools, libraries, govt agencies -- none of these entities should, in my mind, have any say in what I read or what my family reads. As I mentioned above, I myself read some books that my parents would have had a complete conniption fit over had they known. Neither of them were big readers (an understatement), and after talking to our elementary school librarian, they opted to take the "no censorship" approach. They never questioned what I read at all. I, on the other hand, *am* a big reader. So, it will be interesting to see how I will handle it with my children. I'd like to think on an intellectual level that I *won't* censor their reading. I'll probably want to discuss things with them though, and that ultimately seems like the sanest approach. Believe me, if I had a 10 yr old daughter and she picked up Judy Blume's "Forever," I'd want to chat with her about it. <vbg> My comments earlier had more to do with the interesting & unique challenge presented by HP -- for parents who are inclined to censor their childrens' reading material. And, as I noted, the children themselves may simply not have any interest in reading the later books -- they may be too dark, complex & "old" for *some* of the 9-12 set. Nothing to stop them from reading the first 3 HP books when they're that age & picking the series back up when they're older though. Will answer your JKR bio question in my next post -- this one is getting long. Penny From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:34:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:34:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6919 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 4:34 pm (ET) <<We know he has black hair & he's thin. >> I've been thinking about his coloring, myself, lately. I've always pictured him with dark hair and eyes. But it occurred to me the other day: are we even certain of his hair color? Even before I knew he was an animagus, his last name gave me a picture of dark hair. His transformation into a black dog reinfored that. But do the books ever specify his hair color? I could remember several mentions of the condition of his hair (long and unkempt or shorter and neater), but none about the color. Can anyone point me to the chapter? Thanks. Melanie From lady_voldemort at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:36:00 2000 From: lady_voldemort at yahoo.com (lady_voldemort) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter too violent? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6920 From: lady_voldemort Subject: Re: Harry Potter too violent? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6880] Re: Harry Potter too violent? Date: 8/15/00 4:36 pm (ET) If parents are complaining that HP is too violent them they should take a look at brothers grimm. we have a witch who wanted to cannibalise two children and then got pushed in an oven and was burnt to death. we have poisoners wandering around pretending to be lil ol' ladies selling apples....and they say the crucius curse is violent? From lady_voldemort at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:37:00 2000 From: lady_voldemort at yahoo.com (lady_voldemort) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6921 From: lady_voldemort Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6907] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 4:37 pm (ET) Sirius Black...vaguely like Che from the film of EVITA (mmmm, babe) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 20:52:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: evil, print run and population size Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6922 From: hert0661 Subject: evil, print run and population size Reply To: [Yahoo! #6882] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 4:52 pm (ET) "I think what JKR is doing is important. Kids need to know that the bad guys are *bad*." In a recent interview (I believe the one on Radio 1) JKR stated that children could only understand how good the good side is if they see how evil the evil side are. "I will skip my std NY Times rant (I know you're all breathing a big sigh of relief on that one!)." Maybe you could put a link to the relevant message in the archives. It might get boring if you do not remind us about this frequently! "I was in Wallgreen's (drug store chain) this weekend, and checked to see which printing they were up to by now - they had a 4th printing there - has anyone seen a 5th yet?" In the UK I have seen anything from 2nd to 10th printings when out shopping today. "Without having gone farther into the numbers, a student body as small as 300 argues a society so small with a birthrate so low it isn't sustainable. There wouldn't be enough wizarding people to support Diagon Alley and the Leaky Cauldron and Quality Quidditch Supplies and Bertie Bott's and so on if there were only 300 some odd new members a year." It is mentioned a few times that the wizard population would have died out if some had not married muggles. A more important thing to keeping the population going would be that wizards move around lots. Thus spreading the gene pool further. They definitely have the means to travel easily but we do not seem to have met anyone from outside the UK, except at the World Cup and the visiting schools. A population of 4,000 in the UK (10 pupils per house per year on average, with 100 year life expectancy) would equate to a world population of 4,000,000. I am not sure how viable this is but I think it would be enough. We are given the impression that Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade are the only wizard shops in the country. This seems fine when you consider how many shops there are for the normal population of the UK. Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 21:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Reliable JKR Biography Info Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6923 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Reliable JKR Biography Info Date: 8/15/00 5:03 pm (ET) Hi: Ebony said: <<<Again, I repeat: where can you find accurate biographical information on Rowling? I feel quite embarrassed for thinking the unauthorized bio contained legitimate information. I don't follow much JKR/HP-related press offline--for one thing, I don't have the time. As for the book 4 title being inaccurate, this may not be entirely the author's fault. If you look at the inside front cover, the copyright date is 1999.>>> I agree that the author could be forgiven the inaccurate title re GoF, particularly if that were one of few errors. However, I think the rush to the press was motivated by a desire to cash in all the HP hype surrounding the release of Book 4. And, the book is replete with errors, so I'm less forgiving. <g> Anyway, your question about good & reliable JKR info. Well, I'll preface by saying that the *only* sources out there are published interviews & this bio. Since the bio's author didn't make any attempt to address inconsistencies within interviews that he was relying on, I put it at the bottom of my list. In general, I think interviews where she actually spoke to the author of the article are the most reliable. So: 1. I highly recommend the spread on JKR & the HP books in "Book" magazine (May/June 2000). While the author does not seem to have spoken directly to JKR herself, it does seem to be thoroughly researched. The author did speak to one of her editors at Bloomsbury, others at Bloomsbury, her agent Christopher Little & someone from the Scottish Arts Council. The timeline included with this article seems to jive with most everything else I've read. The article is well-written & *appears* to be considerably more reliable than the unauthorized bio. 2. Newsweek's exclusive interview with JKR in its 10 July 2000 issue is also very well-written and has the added advantage that JKR sanctioned the interview (and hopefully the final product). There's a JKR timeline in this article too -- it meshes with the one in the Book magazine article. 3. There's a great interview from The London Times (30 June 2000) -- again the author spoke to JKR. I printed it from the internet, but I just checked the Yahoo HP news section http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/Entertainment/Harry_Potter/index.html They don't have it online there anymore. If you can't find it, email me & I'll mail you a copy if you're interested. 4. I also have a transcript of JKR's interview on "60 Minutes" (September 1999). I got it online also (www.elibrary.com). If you can't find that one -- I can mail it to you also. 5. The Time magazine (coverstory) on HP & JRK (20 Sept 1999) is also fantastic & equally reliable (seemingly). Enjoy!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 21:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Haircolor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6924 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius Black Haircolor Date: 8/15/00 5:08 pm (ET) Hi: Melanie asked about Sirius' hair color. It's black hair -- pg 331 of GoF. Penny From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 21:12:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: Reliable JKR Biography Info Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6925 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Reliable JKR Biography Info Reply To: [Yahoo! #6923] Reliable JKR Biography Info Date: 8/15/00 5:12 pm (ET) Thanx for the link in your previous post, Penny! What a wealth of HP info...I'll be reading for days! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 22:19:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: Star Trek/Harry Potter crossover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6926 From: pt4ever Subject: Star Trek/Harry Potter crossover Date: 8/15/00 6:19 pm (ET) Hey, y'all, I found a rather amusing bit of fanfic that's a Star Trek: Voyager/Harry Potter crossover titled "Harry Kim and the Goblet of Coffee." Pretty amusing, really, so if you're a Voyager fan, I recommend checking it out! http://www.angelfire.com/yt/rockyroad/Goblet.html -- JoAnna From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 22:23:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: evil, print run and population size Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6927 From: jferer Subject: Re: evil, print run and population size Reply To: [Yahoo! #6922] evil, print run and population size Date: 8/15/00 6:23 pm (ET) Thanks very much for JKR's quote. Is this a recent interview? If you have time, would you point us to the URL for it, if it is online? Thanks! I made an obvious mistake in my previous post. It's not 300 new members a year, because that's the whole school population. It's about 40 new members. Hogsmeade is the only "**entirely** magical settlement in Britain; the books are silent on whether there are places for wizards to shop elsewhere. Nevertheless, I'm obviously swimming upstream on the size of the student body issue. BTW, a poster on another board said that, in the British version of the audiobook, Stephen Fry gave Hagrid a Dorset accent, which she didn't think worked for Hagrid. As a Dorset man, do you agree? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 22:38:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: Great Review Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6928 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Great Review Date: 8/15/00 6:38 pm (ET) Hi: This is a link off the NY Times article that Heidi posted the other day. It's really insightful & makes my points so much better than I do -- <g> http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/07/23/specials/rowling-weisman.html Penny From dragons28r at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 22:45:00 2000 From: dragons28r at yahoo.com (dragons28r) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: Contest Harry Potter fans will like Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6929 From: dragons28r Subject: Contest Harry Potter fans will like Date: 8/15/00 6:45 pm (ET) Found this contest that looks like fun for anyone who likes Harry Potter. You have to hurry and enter though because the deadline is today. http://www.magicalharrypotter.com/HauntedCastle.html Cheers, dragons28r From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 23:16:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:16:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6930 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6917] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/15/00 7:16 pm (ET) Couldn't it be like a public school system, here in Ohio? There is a High School (one) with many little elementary schools that funnel into one or two middle schools (ours was Elementary to Middle School to Jr High to High School, one of the last three, and about seven or more of the elementary). Hogwarts would be like the High School. Then scattered around our city are "Christian Circle School", (Making up names here), "St. Paul's Montessouri" (sp?), etc... for the more specialized students. Usually the religious themed schools have a smaller attendance. If you take the folks who decide against Hogwarts, or perhaps their children couldn't get into Hogwarts(?), and have their kids going to the "non-mainstreamed" schools, perhaps that'll answer the question? ***************************** >>> I think there are definitely more wizarding schools in the UK and everywhere else. The "Big Three" are the premier schools, of course, and everyone wants to get into them who has ambitions toward things like the Ministry of Magic. But that doesn't make them the biggest by any means. Sometimes the most exclusive schools are very small intentionally because they're selective. Think too that the number of schools may also have declined during the V years and is only now coming back. >>> Good point, Steve! I've always thought that there might be a few wizard children who are home-schooled as well. Muggle children are home-schooled, why not wizard children? Perhaps there are other parents like the Malfoys who disapprove of Dumbledore but don't want their children going as far away as Durmstrang From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 23:35:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:35:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6931 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6893] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 7:35 pm (ET) Penny and Sheryll, I have a picture of Sirius Black having gray eyes. There is something about gray eyes that seems to fit with his character. Does ask me to defend that jim From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 23:45:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:45:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6932 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6931] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 7:45 pm (ET) Here's another vote for grey eyes. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 23:58:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: evil, print run and population size Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6933 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: evil, print run and population size Reply To: [Yahoo! #6927] Re: evil, print run and population size Date: 8/15/00 7:58 pm (ET) "Thanks very much for JKR's quote. Is this a recent interview? If you have time, would you point us to the URL for it, if it is online? Thanks!" http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/potter/jk_interview.shtml This is from an interview on a BBC children's news programme. It was aired just after the release of GoF. Look for the question "Now, Book Four. Very scary ending. How difficult was it to write that?" "Nevertheless, I'm obviously swimming upstream on the size of the student body issue." It has come up a few times before and, consequently, has been heavily discussed. "BTW, a poster on another board said that, in the British version of the audiobook, Stephen Fry gave Hagrid a Dorset accent, which she didn't think worked for Hagrid. As a Dorset man, do you agree?" A couple of points to put in here. I live in Dorset but am not actually a Dorset man since I moved to the area as a child (totally unimportant but I thought I would put it in anyway). I have not heard the audio books but doubt that the accent is a Dorset one. To me there is not really anything clearly definable as a Dorset accent. I would guess that the most likely accent meant by this is West Country (Somerset). This is the accent I placed him as having, but quite a few other possibilites have been stated (Scottish and Cockney to name two). If this is the case then I have no problem with it. The following is from an interview (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/49953/026-6791922-8586811) with amazon: Amazon.co.uk: How much input does JK Rowling have into the recording process? Fry: She has been kind enough to come to the recordings, but she doesn't interfere. She has said that she approves, which is a great feeling when you do a recording for a living author. I hope (and believe) that she would be honest if there was something she didn't like. This could be taken to mean that JKR agress with the accents used by Fry, but maybe not! I think it is time to open to comments from people with the UK version of the audio books. Hopefully someone has these! Simon From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 00:05:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Bio Thanks/Ramble about HP & School Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6934 From: selah_1977 Subject: JKR Bio Thanks/Ramble about HP & School Reply To: [Yahoo! #6923] Reliable JKR Biography Info Date: 8/15/00 8:05 pm (ET) Thanks, Penny, for the links and sources. I'm compiling a HUGE Harry Potter album for use during my SS lit unit (Thursdays and Fridays in November/December), and will go to the library some weekend soon for clippings. ;) The larger unit, mandated by the district, is entitled "In Search of the Real Me". Harry Potter fits under that umbrella. Today during the conference I got tons of ideas for fun writing extensions, including "Me Recipes" and "What Color Is Your Personality?" What I'll have the students do is to do their personal recipes and colors at home first. Then in class, they'll pick their favorite character from SS and complete the assignment again in class along with their Houses. (How can any teacher *not* do the Sorting? It was so much fun--and the House Cup Competition doubles as cooperative learning...) I think it'll be interesting to see what colors and recipes my students come up with this year. For instance, if a student picks Ron as "red", they'd select a piece of red writing paper and proceed to write a short paper telling why he has a "red" personality. Then we'll share, analyze ("Why does the color red have that connotation?"), and put them up with sketches of the characters. The recipes will be fun, too. A Snape recipe might include a half cup of shortening, a dash of chili pepper, etc. Hermione would be seasoned with sage. Hagrid would be a pretty strange dish--wild game sweetened with honey. Once all 90 are done, we'll do a Harry Potter Character Cookbook. It's funny, but kids actually learn to write this way. Our fifth grade writing state assessment scores jumped 14 percentile points b/c we refuse to make Language Arts "bo-o-ring". I'll be soliticing the club's ideas later this fall as well. Bear with me. ;) Now, if I could just convince the gym teacher and my supervisor that Muggle Quidditch would be an essential and effective pre-Christmas lesson... Ebony AKA AngieJ (AKA Professor McGonagall... no, on second thought, Flitwick on some days and Snape on others) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 00:20:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' Eyes/Hermione's Eyes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6935 From: selah_1977 Subject: Sirius' Eyes/Hermione's Eyes Reply To: [Yahoo! #6932] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 8:20 pm (ET) I'm not sure what color eyes I see Sirius with. Silver or sapphire or onyx, I'd say. Some jewel tone, I've settled on that much. I know I'm not visualizing him correctly, but I can't help but see Sirius as an Antonio Banderas type. And WHY do a ton of fanfic writers say Hermione has cinnamon eyes? Have any of these JKR Juniors looked in their spice cabinets lately? Cinnamon's texture doesn't lend itself to eye color. Hair color, yes. Skin color, yes. But eyes are translucent. That means dark coffee or oolong tea, not cinnamon. What's wrong with just plain brown eyes? It seems good enough for JKR--who created the characters in the first place. (Silly nitpicky rant, I know. Just something that bothers me for some strange reason. I love descriptors, but...????) Ebony AKA AngieJ From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 00:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius - eye colour Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6936 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Sirius - eye colour Date: 8/15/00 8:53 pm (ET) On the back of PoA (UK version) Padfoot has jade green eyes - a sort of milky grey/green. In human form, I see him with very dark eyes, like Hagrid and Snape. Neil From potterpotty at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:08:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:08:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6937 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6879] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 9:08 pm (ET) What I meant was that it would have been so much easier for Wormie to draw blood by causing more injury to Harry than a mere cut. He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:12:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:12:00 -0400 Subject: More on GoF -- Darkness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6938 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: More on GoF -- Darkness Reply To: [Yahoo! #6916] More on GoF -- Darkness Date: 8/15/00 9:12 pm (ET) When I first started reading the series I found the first couple of HP novels to be entertaing, if predictable. For example, Harry's treatment with the Dursey's reminded me of Cinderella, and of course there is always the bullys in school (Malfoy and his cronies) and the best friends. Good and bad seemed pretty easy to sort out in the first two books. But I enjoyed them for the great writing and the wonderful humour - (even though in the Sorcer's Stone, the scene in the Enchanted Forrest, where Voldermort is caught drinking the blood of a unicorn, gave a hint of things to come). But now things have gotten more sophisticated. Good and evil are not so clearly cut. People who are good and kind die (Cedric), we are conflicted when one of the "good" guys turns out to be a man like Snape, and even those in authority (Minister Fudge) refuse out of fear to see the truth. There are fights and misunderstandings among friends. This is compelling story telling. I never know where Rowling is going to take us next. Marion From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard population Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6939 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Wizard population Date: 8/15/00 9:16 pm (ET) Here a few more bits of evidence that support (although not conclusively) a fairly small wizarding population: - (1) Wizards have "just the one bank" - Gringotts - according to Hagrid. This also makes me wonder where the foreign students get their money. I guess we have to assume that Hagrid was talking about the UK only. (2) When Harry arrives to purchase his robes is Book 1, Madam Malkin assumes he is going to Hogwarts without being told, suggesting that Hogwarts is the only wizarding school in the UK. (3) We've only seen one newspaper mentioned - The Daily Prophet - highly suggestive of a small population. (4) Quidditch. If the school had more than 300 or so students, there might be a Quidditch team for each year, instead of only four selected from all the students in each House. I agree, broadly, with Simon's figures, but would assume that, since the wizarding population seems to be tailing off, the population is skewed to the older end. There may be about 6,000 witches and wizards in the UKm at a rough guess. Neil From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:17:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Potter Video in Stores Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6940 From: jferer Subject: Potter Video in Stores Date: 8/15/00 9:17 pm (ET) I was in my local wholesale club today and saw a "tribute" to Harry Potter video on sale for $5.49US. It appears, according to the jacket blurb, to collect some news clips and kid-in-the-street material about the Harry Potter books. I don't know what it's like because I don't have even $5.49 to blow on on this drek. Where's Nancy Stouffer when you need her? From mkplummer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:19:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:19:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6941 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 9:19 pm (ET) I feel rather ashamed to say some of us ladies are getting crushes on fictional characters - LOL! ;-) Well, strange as it may seem, I have rather "taken" to Remus Lupin! Something about that poor man ;-), lonely, an outcast, and with a young face dispite his graying hair.... sigh. So what if he's a werewolf now and then??? Marion From mkplummer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:30:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:30:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6942 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6902] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/15/00 9:30 pm (ET) Yeah, Voldemort is irretrievably bad. But I hope JKR continues to paint pictures of the other bad guys as somewhere along a continuum of bad vs. good - that is, human beings are USUALLY not black or white, but grey. Yeah, but JKR does give us an insight into who Voldermort was before he became the dark lord - he was Tom Riddle, product of a very disfuntional childhood. Because we know something of why he turned out the way he is, it makes the whole story that much more realistic. JKR has a way of reveling the pasts of characters throughout several books. I just wish she would give us a little "dirt" on Snape! Marion From mkplummer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:36:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6943 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6866] 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Date: 8/15/00 9:36 pm (ET) I'm currently rereading the series from the beginning. This time last month I'd have asked you, "Who the heck is Harry Potter?" I have this *insane* urge to starting reading book 1 again! I SO badly want to pick it up. But with school starting again (not to mention work) I will have too much reading on my hands...so I am trying to control myself! marion From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:39:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: Potter case to be decided in NYC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6944 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Potter case to be decided in NYC Date: 8/15/00 9:39 pm (ET) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000815/en/potter_suit_1.html From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:42:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6945 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6943] Re: 700 plus pages...unwieldy? Date: 8/15/00 9:42 pm (ET) Priorities first! Dumbledore would be proud of you! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:45:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:45:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6946 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6941] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 9:45 pm (ET) >>>> I feel rather ashamed to say some of us ladies are getting crushes on fictional characters - LOL! ;-) Well, strange as it may seem, I have rather "taken" to Remus Lupin! Something about that poor man ;-), lonely, an outcast, and with a young face dispite his graying hair.... sigh. So what if he's a werewolf now and then??? Marion <<<<<< That's right! Who minds a few wolf hairs in the bed? Lupin is a sweetheart. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 02:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:10:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6947 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6889] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 10:10 pm (ET) > >>Without having gone farther into the numbers, a student body as small as 300 argues a society so small with a birthrate so low it isn't sustainable.<< Numbers for the British Isles: I continue to believe that there must be a birthrate of 120-150 a year and therefore 800-1000 student body to have (times 100 year average lifespan) a population of 12,000 to 15,000, which seems about right to support the amount of businesses we have seen, altho' not the HUNDREDS of professoonal Quidditch teams that appear in fanfic. Maybe they are really dedicated amateur Quidditch teams? However, I acknowledge that Hogwarts might be currently underpopulated because of the people who were killed during the Death Eater Wars and therefore didn't have children (as well as the ones who lived but didn't have children). [Just How Many wizarding people did V kill?????] That's why I think that the MoM should be making an effort to build up the population by encouraging wizarding families to have more children by giving parents a subsidy for each child they are raising who is still in secondary school. Which would also help the Weasleys' finances. As long as I'm talking about Weasley finances, and someone wondered why Arthur, as head of a department at MoM, didn't get a good salary, I think it might be that MoM pays it managerial staff itty-bitty salaries because it expects only people who have inherited family fortunes to take those jobs. > Not necessarily. Remember, there are at least two other European schools that we know of now, and it was implied (I think) that these were just the major schools, so there could be others. That does not account for schools in other parts of the globe as well. They seem to have one school per "country" (if all the French speaking countries are one country, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire and German Empire add up to one country!). The schools in other countries don't do a whole lot to increase the wizarding population of the British Isles. > And we are already aware of the fact that wizard children might be born of muggle parents, thus the society is being regenerated even if you were to kill off every living one of them today. If, God forbid, every living wizard and witch was killed off, how many centuries would it take for the muggle-born magic kids to realize what they were and figure out how to get together, and then how many more centuries to re-discover what was formerly known about magic (such as how to make wands!) and to re-invent all the spells and potions? There is a reason why wizarding kids have to study in school instead of just waving a wand around! From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 02:14:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6948 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6946] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:14 pm (ET) "Good grief!" -Charlie Brown From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 02:19:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6949 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6891] Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:19 pm (ET) > We're trying to decide what color eyes our dashing Mr. Black has. Apparently there's no description in the books (that we could find anyway). This weekend I read PoA with care and attention and could not find any eye color mentioned for our adorable Mr. Lupin. > we do have 2 different thoughts on his eyes & could use some input -- 1. Black hair and dark brown eyes -- OR 2. Black hair and piercing blue eyes. Please don't give Sirius blue eyes because I want Remus to have blue eyes, and for both to have the same would be implausible. I just read a fic in which Sirius has amber eyes. That suits the book description of "pale" and Ebony (I think)'s statement that his eyes are a jewel color. My other thought was green ('jade' would fit the description 'pale' better than 'emerald') and he actually is DISTANTLY related to Lily. I don't think an Animagus has to have the same eye color in human and animal form. They don't have to have the same hair color: McGonagall-cat has orange fur and McGonagall-human has black hair. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 02:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6950 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6948] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:21 pm (ET) >"Good grief!" > -Charlie Brown No, having a crush on Charlie Brown would be like having a crush on Peter Pettigrew. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 02:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:22:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6951 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6941] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 10:22 pm (ET) > Well, strange as it may seem, I have rather "taken" to Remus Lupin! Something about that poor man ;-), lonely, an outcast, and with a young face dispite his graying hair.... sigh. So what if he's a werewolf now and then??? Don't forget his kindness to all the students and his patience even with Snape! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:11:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: Potter Video in Stores Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6952 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Potter Video in Stores Reply To: [Yahoo! #6940] Potter Video in Stores Date: 8/15/00 11:11 pm (ET) >was in my local wholesale club today and saw a >"tribute" to Harry Potter video on sale for > $5.49US. It appears, according to the jacket >blurb, to collect some news clips and >kid-in-the-street material about the Harry Potter books. Sounds like that kid-in-the street- _Why We Love harry Potter_ or some similar title book.... From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:17:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6953 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6947] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/15/00 11:17 pm (ET) I'm thinking more & more now that JKR just wrote a story and put some details in and didn't bother to work out that some demographics and population data one could estimate from the stories does not actually support the society she postulates. Big deal. Maybe we should give up speculating on the number of students and just appreciate it for how it makes us feel - view it in the context of storytelling art, not fantasy with a *fully* worked out background - granted, JKR showed in a CBS interview she *does* have a fully worked out background (which woill probably be quoted at length in her someday-to-be-published _Harry Potter Companion_ volume), but maybe it would stand up fine to storytelling but not statistical analysis of the type we are attempting. It may be time to accept that it can't quite work the way she says it does and read it for the flow of the story, not for the not scientifically reasonable background.... From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:31:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6954 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6950] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/15/00 11:31 pm (ET) Well I guess I can understand this unnatural attraction to fictional characters. In fact, I admit gazing longingly at Lara Croft (of Tomb Raider fame.) I don't even care what color her eyes are. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:32:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:32:00 -0400 Subject: Physical presence of Wizarding Geography Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6955 From: brooksindy Subject: Physical presence of Wizarding Geography Date: 8/15/00 11:32 pm (ET) We were wondering about some of this in earlier messages. Are the Leaky Cauldron, Diagon Alley, Hogwarts & Hogsmeade, and for that matter Platform 9-3/4, and Azkaban, just to name a few, physically in the Muggle spacetime continuum, generally concealed from Muggle eyes by long-existing cover & concealment spells. Or are the Cauldron, the Platform, etc. Gates into a slightly different alternate dimension where much (not all) of the wizard society exists, with only the wizardly talented able to perceive them? I lean more & more to really in this world, but concealed, or at best (for the Alleys, and Gringott's vaults) in only a small pocket reality just barely off the Muggle one. Consider - is the route taken by the Express riding an extant, physical, (possibly abandoned) Muggle track? And we know in PofA that the train stopped to be boarded by the Dementors. Suppose Malfoy & crew (notice that Crabbe & Goyle have never been given first names) *had* been tossed off, where would they be? And what about Godric's Corner? Part of the concern was to get Harry out before the muggles came to investigate, right? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6956 From: brooksindy Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/15/00 11:44 pm (ET) Continuing my earlier postulate - Wizards can see through anti-muggle cover and concealment spells, probably just as a natural consequence of the 'wizarding gene'. And we know from a JKR interview about the 'magic feather at Hogwarts that records the names of all wizard children when they are born' so they can get their letters later. (Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club site has this note). (Gee this reminds me of Professor Xavier's computer that could detect mutants so he could invite them to his school). What about parents like the Dursely's who do NOT want their kid going to such a school? Does enough happen to them, like Harry's Multiplying Letters, to more or less force them to let the kid go? Then there is what we hypothesized, the more detailed letter which tells Mugle-born kids about getting supplies at Diagon Alley. But what if any parents actually DO resist and the kids are sent to Smeltings or Eton or wherever. Presumably up to a point the kids still can see the Leaky Cauldron if they should happen to go by there..... but suppose they grow up untrained? And become in their own hearts muggles? Is the force of magic so strong in most such cases that the universe will re-arrange itself so they *do* wind learning things eventually? OR can they grow up and lose the ability, if unexercized - to quote from Diane Duane's _So You Want to Be a Wizard_ series, "Magic does not live in the unwilling heart". I speculate as above because it occurs to me that such a case might be a good fanfic starting point, or even a subplot gimmick for a new character in the JKR's HP Canon itself. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 03:48:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: Where wizards live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6957 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Where wizards live Reply To: [Yahoo! #6837] Re: Where wizards live Date: 8/15/00 11:48 pm (ET) By: potterpotty Date: 8/14/00 10:40 am They would have preferred the obscurity I suppose so as not to be ostracised , but it was mentioned in one of the books that if the wizarding world had not inter-married, "their kind" would have died out or something to that effect. They had to cope with marrying and living with Muggles. ---------------- which leads to the interesting question of where do the half and half marriages live? In the muggle world? In the wizarding world, where the non magic spouse is bound to feel inadequate? Or on some teeter-totter in between. I'd really like to learn more about Seamus' home life. It's possible that not ALL the witches and wizards in the world are as muggle ignorant as the ones we've met. Frankly, I think that Mr. Weasley should realistically know more about muggles than he seems to, given the department that he works for. He should be a muggle expert, and able to pass among them at least for brief periods of time. However, JKR consistently portrays him as __thinking__ he knows about muggles, and being fascinated by muggle doings, but as someone who really doesn't know much about them and who couldn't pass for a muggle for ten minutes without giving himself away as a very strange person. Maybe other wizards really can pass for muggles. After all, if you're a very good wizard then you could use magic in the privacy of your own home with no one being the wiser (as I do now think that Arabella Figg does. I really like the idea espoused by others of Arabella Figg guarding Harry.) Vicki From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:04:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:04:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6958 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6954] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/16/00 12:04 am (ET) Oh My husband would soooo agree with you. He's had a thing for her since the first game came out. Well she is really cool. That must be why. Yeah right Shelly From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:11:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:11:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6959 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6859] Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 12:11 am (ET) By: harry_potter00 Date: 8/14/00 5:58 pm have you ever considered that maybe JKR puts things, like the Lily, James reverse order, into the story JUST to add suspense. ------- No, unless you mean that she deliberately let us think that James died first. JKR plans ahead a great deal of the time. I just dont see her making a change that is THIS major just to get fans to wonder about it. She has something in mind. Whether James died first or Lily died first, it will be important in a future book. I'm of the opinion that the wands are correct and that Lily thus died before James. vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:18:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: Jumping ahead...Bagman and Mr. Weasl Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6960 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Jumping ahead...Bagman and Mr. Weasl Reply To: [Yahoo! #6867] Jumping ahead...Bagman and Mr. Weasley. Date: 8/16/00 12:18 am (ET) By: harry_potter00 The real person that I wonder about is none other than Percy. Will Percy side with Fudge orhis own Father, and could this be a potential conflict to be explored in Furture books.... I've been a bit concerned about this also, as Ron keeps talking about Percy's ambition. But if Percy's ambition was _that_ great, then the hat would have put him in Slytherin. I think that rules are Percy's god, and he will follow Fudge until eventually there is crisis between following the rules and the leader and what his own eyes tell him are happening. He could very well stick with Fudge to the end, and bury his head in the sand right next to him. vicki From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:41:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6961 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6956] Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 12:41 am (ET) What I'd like to know is... How do the Muggle families deal with their friends and relatives who want to know how their children are doing, and what school they're attending. People like the Grangers, who are probably upwardly mobile and proud of their smart daughter... how do they deal with nosey relatives, friends, and neighbors? Do they live a lie, or do they tell the truth and have everyone think they are nuts? From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:52:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:52:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6962 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6959] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 12:52 am (ET) >>>Whether James died first or Lily died first,<<< When Harry re-lives the fatal visit from Voldemort, when the Dementors are near him, he doesn't actually hear James die, he only hears him telling Lily to take Harry and go. Then he hears Voldemort telling his mother to step aside so that V can kill Harry. So it's possible that Voldemort did kill Lily first. And WHAT destroyed the Potters' home? The Avada Kedavra curse doesn't cause damage to things, only kills people (sounds like a neutron bomb). Did the "backfire" from Harry blow up the house? Did James do it when he attempted some so-far-unknown destructive curse on Voldemort? And if the house was nearly destroyed, why wasn't Harry injured except for a cut on his forehead? I do think there's plenty more surprises to come. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:54:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:54:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6963 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6886] Number of Students Date: 8/16/00 12:54 am (ET) By: plinsenmayer Date: 8/15/00 9:40 am If only JKR knew how much we all debate this particular subject -- it would make a great interview question for her! -------- Definitely. We could really use an answer to this one. I wonder too if the gap between Charlie & Percy could also be partially explained by the Voldemort years. That could well be the reason for the "2 Weasley families." ---------- My problem is that I think the "2 weasley families" are more accurately explained by JKR just not being able to keep track of every little comment that each of her characters makes. More prosaic, less romantic, but there you go. <<<There are five boys, and we have only heard of three girls, but we haven't been told that's all there are.>>> Well, we may not have been told explicitly, but surely new Gryffindor girl(s) aren't going to be introduced all of a sudden in Book 5. --------- Actually, I think male wizards grow tails after they become adults around age 18. We haven't heard that they don't. After four books, it would be odd for her to suddenly mention more students in Harry's house/year. In my opinion, it would seem almost like trying to make a change to her previous four books, and she really does seem to know where she is going most of the time. There would need to be a really good reason as to why she hadn't mentioned the other students previously, at least in passing, such as "Seasmus paired with another griffindor 2nd year after Dean teamed with Ron and Harry with Neville." >While we really have no idea for sure how many Ravenclaws, Hufflepuffs & Slytherins there are in Harry's year, I do think JKR has gone to some trouble to describe Harry's fellow Gryffindors (the ones in his year that is). ----------- I agree. I just can't see her introducing new Griffindor characters from Harry's year at this point. After four books, she would surely have made mention of others, even if only in passing, if she wanted us to think they existed. Brooks' concept has merit and explains small classes. There should be a population explosion after Voldemort lost power which would mean larger 1st and 2nd years classes in the GoF year. However, I was really surprised at someone's post that estimated an english population of 10,000 based on 300 students and a world population of 4,000,000 presumably based on their knowledge of the relative populations of england & the world. That's a LOT of witches/wizards, actually. If that's what 300 children between 11 & 17 equate to, then there are a lot of wizarding folk out there. That would also explain why 100,000 could come to the world cup and yet the tickets would be tough to come by. 10,000 people could easily support Hogsmeade & Diagon Alley. vicki From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 04:55:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6964 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6931] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/16/00 12:55 am (ET) YES!!! I am telling you...Gray eyes is where it's at!!!! From potterpotty at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:07:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:07:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6965 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6956] Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 1:07 am (ET) Interesting point. I believe the magic would never leave them. It remains an innate ability, remaining dormant but will be apparent in moments of stress, emotional upheavals as in Harry's case when he was chased by Porky Duddy and when he released the boa constrictor without realising it. Harry was untrained for 10 years but the ability never left him nor his natural gift for flying. I presume that if there had been violent objections, it's likely that Hogwarts or other such schools, would not force the parents to let the kids attend (Harry being an exception). I say this because we get the message that parents and guardians are important in the children's lives. For example, they need their permission to go to Hogsmeade and any transgression in school is normally reported (owled??) to their parents/guardians immediately. I suppose the MoM has another department to track such kids/adults through their lives...yes maybe after Book 7, we'll have a story about a school for adults who discover their true calling. Maybe the MoM sends such letters informing them and at some point, their curiousity would get the better of them and they would enrol. This school also has post graduate courses for those who wish to learn to apparate, become animagi, skills upgrading, Masters in Transfiguration(!) refresher courses and the like!!! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:15:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Pettigrew & Harry -- GOF spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6966 From: pt4ever Subject: Pettigrew & Harry -- GOF spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #6937] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 1:15 am (ET) >>> What I meant was that it would have been so much easier for Wormie to draw blood by causing more injury to Harry than a mere cut. He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry. >>> Remember, Voldemort wanted to prove to the other Death Eaters that Harry was no longer a threat to him. No doubt Voldy instructed Pettigrew to draw blood, but not seriously injure Harry while doing so because he (Voldy) wanted Harry conscious and able to duel. After all, he (Voldy) did untie Harry and give him his wand so they could duel "properly," and if Harry had been seriously injured due to Wormtail's ministrations, Voldemort's (expected) victory over Harry wouldn't have seemed quite so triumphant or impressive to the Death Eaters. -- JoAnna From potterpotty at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:24:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6967 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6962] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 1:24 am (ET) I'm sure James was killed first otherwise how could Voldemort kill James after he himself was reduced to a mere shell when the spell on Harry backfired? Anyway, I also wondered why is it ( if Voldemort was after the Potters and presumeably to finish them off), that Voldemort told Harry that his mother didn't need to die ? Could it be possible that if Lily had said she would join him instead of being killed, he would then have spared her and the baby ? The house was probably destroyed due to the force of the spell backfiring. No, let's see...maybe when V had Lily cornered, he delighted in showing her how he first killed James and as a further malicious act, he destroyed their precious home burning it to the ground to inflict more agony and then he turned to her...laughing all the way (the laughter which Harry hears in his later years), wanting to kill the baby. How about that ? I also like to think that Harry will somehow find his way to his former home in the forthcoming books and the entire scene will be replayed so that he knows once and for all, what really really transpired. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:28:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:28:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6968 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6962] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 1:28 am (ET) By: Danemead Date: 8/16/00 12:52 am >doesn't actually hear James die, he only hears >him telling Lily to take Harry and go. Then he >hears Voldemort telling his mother to step aside Voldemort says that he killed James first, but he may either truly not know or be deliberately lying. ------------ And WHAT destroyed the Potters' home? The Avada Kedavra curse doesn't cause damage to things, only kills people (sounds like a neutron bomb). Did the "backfire" from Harry blow up the house? Did James do it when he attempted some so-far-unknown destructive curse on Voldemort? And if the house was nearly destroyed, why wasn't Harry injured except for a cut on his forehead? All good questions. The wizarding world seems to assume that the failed curse caused some backlash that destroyed the house, but I can't recall anyone having a theory on why Harry wasn't injured in the destruction of the house. Of course, what "the wizarding world _knows_" seems to turn out to be frequently wrong in JKR's world, so I don't think we can assume it is valid. Now one thing we know is that Hagrid was relatively close by, since he took Harry to Dumbledore on Sirius' motorcycle. We need more information to come up with a really good explanation. Vicki D'Yquem, king and god of the universe, otherwise known as the most beautiful kitty on the face of the planet, is expressing his dissatisfaction with my attention to this screen when I should be paying attention to him. If Rita Skeeter tried to bug my house she probably wouldn't last long enough to regret it. D'Yquem has his own patented crutiatus curse. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:46:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6969 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6968] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 1:46 am (ET) >>>Now one thing we know is that Hagrid was relatively close by, since he took Harry to Dumbledore on Sirius' motorcycle.<<<<< Actually, since the Potters' death happened on Halloween, Hogwarts school year was already in session. Hagrid would have been at Hogwarts in Scotland, we might assume, but have apparated or "flown" to Godric's Hollow in Southern Wales, quickly enough to rescue Harry from the ruins of the Potter home BEFORE the muggles got there. Dumbledore must have gotten the news pretty quickly to dispatch Hagrid overnight. We aren't told whether Sirius lent his motorcycle to Hagrid at Hogwarts or if Sirius was in Wales near the Potter home when Hagrid got there. I wonder where Dumbledore was, (and where Hagrid was for that matter) and what he was doing, during the entire day after the Potters' death, since he didn't show up at Privet drive until after the Dursleys were in bed. Probably 24 hours passed between the Potters' death and Harry's delivery to Privet Drive. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 05:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:49:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6970 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6962] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 1:49 am (ET) <<And WHAT destroyed the Potters' home? The Avada Kedavra curse doesn't cause damage to things, only kills people (sounds like a neutron bomb). Did the "backfire" from Harry blow up the house? Did James do it when he attempted some so-far-unknown destructive curse on Voldemort? And if the house was nearly destroyed, why wasn't Harry injured except for a cut on his forehead?>> What about Dumbledore's answer in CoS to why Harry speaks Parseltongue? The fact that it rubbed off on him due to the curse. That and the house, seems awfully odd. What other "abilities" of Voldy does Harry have, still hidden? From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 06:30:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:30:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6971 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6970] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 2:30 am (ET) i want to know why voldemort came after the potters in the first place. hagrid brought up this mystery in the first book, but ive never really considered it... did voldemort want to try and convert the potters or just get them out of the way? any, if he had so many death eaters, why'd he come after the potters all by himself? From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 06:38:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:38:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6972 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6965] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 2:38 am (ET) I think that JKR's said something about there being a character who comes across magic quite late in life and uses it in desperate circumstances (possibly one of the dursleys). i think that, when it comes to hogwarts enrollments for muggle families, there must be more preparation for muggle parents than we've heard about. how would you feel if you recieved a letter on your childs 11th birthday saying 'your kid is a wizard/witch, they're coming to hogwarts' - i dont know about the rest of you but id certainly have my doubts about it! perhaps when a magical child is born into a muggle family the ministry, or mcgonagall, or whoever, sends out a letter saying 'your child is a wizard/witch, and will go to this school in the future,' so the parents can get used the idea. this is entirely possible; perhaps the letter that dumbledore left for the dursleys (but which they convieniently ignored) is a letter of this nature, although in harrys case it would have 'watch our for lord voldemort' or something at the end. on the note of anti-muggle charms, it would seem muggles can get around them if they're invited. diagon alley and platform 9 and 3/4 are often spoken of as being places muggles cant penetrate, but we've seen hermiones parents in diagon alley, so presumable muggles can penetrate these areas if theyre invited in by a person with the 'wizarding gene'. From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 08:11:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:11:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6973 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6971] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 4:11 am (ET) In the RealAudio interview wth JKR (see LINKS page), the question of why WhatsHisName killed James and Lilly. The answer, she stated, will be revealed in future novels, possibly Book 7. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 09:35:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:35:00 -0400 Subject: Lupin Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6974 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Lupin Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6941] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/16/00 5:35 am (ET) <<Well, strange as it may seem, I have rather "taken" to Remus Lupin! Something about that poor man ;-), lonely, an outcast, and with a young face despite his graying hair.... sigh. So what if he's a werewolf now and then???>> I agree absolutely! Remus is excellent - that combination of strength and weakness is very attractive. And there's nothing strange about it either ;-). ~Blaise. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 12:47:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:47:00 -0400 Subject: Snape and Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6975 From: blaise_42 Subject: Snape and Malfoy Date: 8/16/00 8:47 am (ET) Does anyone have any idea why Snape favours Draco so much, in light of the fact that Snape knows for certain that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater? Do you suppose Snape feels some sort of loyalty to Malfoy, or even that he might be protecting him for some reason? I'd particularly like to point out the passage at the end of GoF where Harry goes through the list of Death Eaters for Fudge, and Snape reacts when Harry says Lucius Malfoy's name. Why would Snape act in this way, given that he's not a Death Eater any more? Any theories? I hope you haven't been over this topic before; apologies if you have. ~Blaise. From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 12:53:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6976 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6972] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 8:53 am (ET) <a character who comes across magic quite late in life..> What about Filch? He's been trying to hide the fact that he's trying to learn magic through correspondence. Just a thought. Sheryll From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 13:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:05:00 -0400 Subject: Tuesday August 15 7:16 PM ET Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6977 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Tuesday August 15 7:16 PM ET Date: 8/16/00 9:05 am (ET) Tuesday August 15 7:16 PM ET 'Potter' Case To Be Decided in NYC By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) - A dispute between the creators of the popular Harry Potter children's book series and a Pennsylvania woman who says she owns the rights to the ``Muggles'' trademarks will be decided in Manhattan, a judge has ruled. The decision filed Monday by U.S. District Judge Allen G. Schwartz was a legal victory for the book's author, J.K. Rowling, the book series' publisher, Scholastic Inc., as well as Time Warner Entertainment Co., which owns film and merchandising rights. Schwartz declined to dismiss the lawsuit brought by Rowling, who lives in Edinburgh, Scotland, and the companies against Nancy Stouffer of Camp Hill, Pa. They sought a court declaration that they have not infringed on any of Stouffer's copyrights. A lawyer for Rowling, Scholastic and Time Warner referred questions in the case to Scholastic, which forwarded a statement issued in late March saying that Stouffer's ownership claims to the word ``muggles'' were absurd. ``Ms. Rowling's creative mind works in a world filled with myths and legends, but let there be no doubt that these books are her unique creations. Unfortunately, nowadays, success seems to breed not only imitation but also litigation,'' the statement said. The statement said the ``muggles'' in a book Stouffer published in the mid-1980s entitled ``The Legend of Rah and the Muggles'' were tiny and hairless creatures who live on the continent of Aura in a post-nuclear holocaust world set hundreds of years in the future. ``Anyone even vaguely familiar with the Harry Potter books, and the use of the term `Muggle' to describe any person who does not have magical powers, will recognize the absurdity of Ms. Stouffer's claims,'' the statement said. Stouffer initially responded to the lawsuit with one of her own, filed in Philadelphia, and sought to have the Manhattan lawsuit thrown out or transferred to Pennsylvania. But Schwartz ruled that Stouffer, by having her own books published and asserting her claims against the Harry Potter books, had engaged in enough business in New York City to cause the case to be litigated there. Kevin Casey, a lawyer for Stouffer, said he was unlikely to appeal Schwartz's ruling because he was eager to prove the similarities between the Harry Potter books and the creations of Stouffer. ``I'm very happy the judge has ruled one way or the other because now we can get on to the substance of this thing,'' he said. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 13:55:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:55:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6978 From: jferer Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6953] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/16/00 9:55 am (ET) It's common for fans of a world of such imagination and believability to want to get into all the details of it. The themes and message of these books are far, far more important than the number of students, the location of Diagon Alley, or anything else. You're absolutely correct. OTOH, we're having fun with it. This has been going on for decades, from scholars of Sherlock Holmes trivia to Trekkies who argue endlessly about the utility corridors of the Enterprise. As long as we keep a perspective about it, it's okay. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 13:56:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6979 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6972] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 9:56 am (ET) >>> i think that, when it comes to hogwarts enrollments for muggle families, there must be more preparation for muggle parents than we've heard about. how would you feel if you recieved a letter on your childs 11th birthday saying 'your kid is a wizard/witch, they're coming to hogwarts' - i dont know about the rest of you but id certainly have my doubts about it! perhaps when a magical child is born into a muggle family the ministry, or mcgonagall, or whoever, sends out a letter saying 'your child is a wizard/witch, and will go to this school in the future,' so the parents can get used the idea. this is entirely possible; perhaps the letter that dumbledore left for the dursleys (but which they convieniently ignored) is a letter of this nature, although in harrys case it would have 'watch our for lord voldemort' or something at the end. >>> Possible...but in CoS, Colin Creevy says something to Harry like, "I never knew all the odd stuff I could do was magic." Presumably, if the Creevy's had gotten a letter when Colin (or Dennis) was born, the "odd stuff" they could do wouldn't be such a surprise. I'm of the opinion that if a child and their family are totally unaware of wizarding society, a personal representative from Hogwarts (McGonagall, Dumbledore, etc., maybe even a Weasley or someone from the MoM) comes to explain everything to the family, takes them or shows them Diagon Alley, etc. Perhaps this was Hagrid's job in SS. I bet he'd have shown up even if Harry had gotten his letter. -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:00:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:00:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6980 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6973] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 10:00 am (ET) >>> In the RealAudio interview wth JKR (see LINKS page), the question of why WhatsHisName killed James and Lilly. The answer, she stated, will be revealed in future novels, possibly Book 7. >>> I'm still of the opinion that James and Harry are the last remaining ancestors of Godric Gryffindor, and there's a prophecy or something somewhere saying the last of the Gryffindors will defeat the Heir of Slytherin, which is why Voldemort tried to finish them off. I think there are several clues which point to this -- the Potters living in "Godric's Hollow," Harry being able to pull Gryffindor's sword out of the Sorting Hat in CoS, the fact that Harry is in Gryffindor House. Just MHO, though. :) -- JoAnna From k_winthrop at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:03:00 2000 From: k_winthrop at yahoo.com (k_winthrop) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6981 From: k_winthrop Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6979] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 10:03 am (ET) I HOPE THAT JKR EXPLAINS THIS IN ONE OF HER NEXT BOOKS. WOULDN'T MOST MUGGLE FAMILIES JUST IGNORE THE LETTER. I KNOW I WOULD, THINKING IT WAS JUNK MAIL OR SOMETHING. PERHAPS THERE IS A REP FROM MoM OR SOMEONE FROM HOGWARTS. KIM From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:14:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:14:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6982 From: jferer Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6971] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 10:14 am (ET) There's been several theories why, but we don't know why Voldemort went after James and Harry, or how and why the house was destroyed. Let's see: here are a few: 1. Harry and James are descendants of Godric Gryffindor, and Voldemort, the Heir of Slytherin, must destroy them before they destroy him. This would explain why Voldemort wouldn't have bothered killing Lily if she hadn't got in the way. 2. James and/or Lily were Aurors, hot on the trail of Voldemort himself or his Death Eaters. 3. James and/or Lily were Unspeakables of the Department of Mysteries, doing the most secret work of the wizarding world, and we'll find out the details at some future time. 4. Voldemort is actually Harry's father, or Lily's father, or Harry and Hermione's father, or something. This is for all Luke and Leia fans. The truth is we don't know. We do know Voldemort did not set out to kill Lily -- he said so in Sorcerer's Stone -- but she got in the way trying to protect Harry. This will ultimately be settled before the series is over. We get to have fun with it 'till then. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:14:00 -0400 Subject: Race & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6983 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Race & HP Date: 8/16/00 10:14 am (ET) Hi: Sorry -- I've got a build-up of some things that I more or less just want to comment on briefly so .... it's a hodgepodge message. Neil wrote: <<<JKR makes points against prejudice without citing recognisable minority groups. By using analogy, she is, I suggest, able to address moral issues without dragging the books into a political morass. You're right, JKR not American, and I doubt very much that she intended a direct reference to black oppression of the type seen in early America. I think she uses the House Elves more as a commentary on the old-style British class system. One or two hundred years ago, there was a distinct servant 'underclass' in this country that was lacking in education, poorly paid and given very little in the way of personal freedom.>>> I agree completely. JKR is British -- it's not *always* about us Yanks after all. My own feeling was that she was making a statement about that underclass of Brits from an earlier time period (Dickensian). I definitely did not see any correlation between the House Elves & African-Americans in the US. Neil again: <<<She leaves many characters blurred at the edges, so that we can use our own imagination to ink them in.>>> I especially like that about her writing style. Neil: <<<Regardless of the reader's interpretation of the whole thing (which, as Rip says, is a matter of personal perspective), the point is that Hermione will not tolerate, and will challenge, injustices.>>> Again, I agree. It really added dimension to Hermione's character in my mind. My in-laws said that Hermione & her causes in GoF reminded them strongly of me (they already thought she was very much like me with her reliance on books & intellect -- the stands against injustice really clinched it for them). But, unlike Neil, I don't agree that it could have been cut. Then again, I tend to believe that JKR doesn't include even the smallest detail in her earlier books without some design or plan. It seems to me that it all turns out to be important for one reason or another later on down the road (at least so far). Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:21:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6984 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6979] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 10:21 am (ET) >>> i think that, when it comes to hogwarts enrollments for muggle families, there must be more preparation for muggle parents than we've heard about. how would you feel if you recieved a letter on your childs 11th birthday saying 'your kid is a wizard/witch, they're coming to hogwarts' - i dont know about the rest of you but id certainly have my doubts about it! perhaps when a magical child is born into a muggle family the ministry, or mcgonagall, or whoever, sends out a letter saying 'your child is a wizard/witch, and will go to this school in the future,' so the parents can get used the idea. this is entirely possible; perhaps the letter that dumbledore left for the dursleys (but which they convieniently ignored) is a letter of this nature, although in harrys case it would have 'watch our for lord voldemort' or something at the end.>> Without making a statement on whether kids from muggle families get this kind of letter, Remember that in Book 1, Hagrid tells Harry & the dursleys that Harry's name has been down for Hogwarts since he was born... - this supports the idea that James & Lily knew that he'd be going there - plus, Vernon & petunia knew when they looked at the letter exactly what it was saying - if only Petunia did, then you could believe that she knew because she'd seen Lily's letter years before, but as Vernon did, you have to think that Dubledore said at least something about it in his letter. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:28:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Names - Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6985 From: blaise_42 Subject: Names - Snape Date: 8/16/00 10:28 am (ET) I was delighted to find that the word 'snape' actually has a meaning beyond simply being a place-name (in that context it means a boggy patch of ground). To snape someone means to rebuke or hurt them, and a snape is a rebuke. It's an almost obsolete English dialectical word from the Norse, if anyone cares. JKR really knows her stuff! A very suitable name for Severus. ~Blaise. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Analysis of Details Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6986 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Analysis of Details Date: 8/16/00 10:29 am (ET) Hi: Several members have commented on whether or not JKR intended all the analyzing we've all been engaging in, what she would think of it, whether she did any of it herself & whether or not there's any merit in our doing it. Everyone has a good point so far. I think I agree most with what jferer said -- as long as we're enjoying the debates and they aren't causing arguments, what's the harm? Those who think we've gone off the deep end can just focus on the lighter posts. It is important for everyone to remember to think about the subject heading of their post -- this will help members in discerning which posts they want to read & which ones they'd prefer to skip. I think JKR did some analysis & planning, but not nearly as much as we've been doing -- I agree. I think some of the inconsistencies could (should!) have been caught by her editors. I think she worked out alot of details though -- she apparently has 7 large boxes with research & outlines & so forth. But, I don't know that JKR was concerned with whether or not a student body of 300 students at Hogwarts leads to a statistically sustainable wizarding population. On the other hand, I've personally enjoyed that debate. I do have some thoughts about sending JKR (or her editors) a print-out of our Club FAQs once they are completed. She might be very interested (perhaps astonished, dismayed or amused too) by the things we've analyzed. Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:30:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: Hey Penny-an article on the NYT Booklist Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6987 From: heiditandy Subject: Hey Penny-an article on the NYT Booklist Date: 8/16/00 10:30 am (ET) http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/08/16/bestseller/index.html Great picture of a big bad Finger of the Times pointing at Our Hero on his broomstick. The gist of the article is, the 68-year-old book list debuted its first new offshoot in 16 years and effectively evicted the Potter books from the prime real estate they had monopolized for more than 20 months. Francesca Lia Block, author of YA crossover classics such as "Weetzie Bat" and Girl Goddess #9," confesses, "If I were J.K. Rowling, [being relegated to the children's bestseller list] would really disturb me because it would say that this book is only for children." The president of Random House books says even though I think that anything that draws attention to children's books is great for business, I have to say that this is really unfair to Scholastic. And as our own Fearless Leader Penny says, 30 percent of the first three Harry Potter books were purchased by and for a reader 35 or older. A book exec is quoted as saying "It would seem to me that if we were tracking adult bestselling reading behavior, one would say that the book should be on both lists." There's a lot more - go to the site to read it! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:33:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:33:00 -0400 Subject: Hypocritical comment Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6988 From: heiditandy Subject: Hypocritical comment Reply To: [Yahoo! #6987] Hey Penny-an article on the NYT Booklist Date: 8/16/00 10:33 am (ET) The editor of the NY Times Book List said, about whether the new list will result in more reviews of children's literature, "We may well, as we always have, take certain books in the children's category and review them in the part of the Book Review nominally reserved for grown-up books. We've done that with the last two Potters, and I hope we'll continue to do that. From k_winthrop at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:34:00 2000 From: k_winthrop at yahoo.com (k_winthrop) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6989 From: k_winthrop Subject: QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Date: 8/16/00 10:34 am (ET) IF THE MINISTRY WATCHES THE ACTIVITY OF ANIMAGI SO CLOSELY ,HOW COULD JAMES, SIRUS, AND PETER LEARN TO BECOME ANIMAGI? I THOUGHT IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL IF YOU DID NOT REGISTER. IF THIS WAS ALREADY ASKED I AM SORRY I AM NEW TO THE CLUB. I ALSO FOUND A SITE THAT HA STHE DAILY PROPHET IT IS http://www.dprophet.com/editorial.html KIM From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:35:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:35:00 -0400 Subject: New Members; Repetitive Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6990 From: plinsenmayer Subject: New Members; Repetitive Questions Date: 8/16/00 10:35 am (ET) Hi: Neil wrote: <<<At the end of the day, I think we have to live with questions being repeated, rather than tell people off for not abosrobing the entire archive. Sometimes, something new comes out of repeating a questio nand, as you say, it often *is* new to the people who are newer members.>>> Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm interested in keeping this a very friendly group. On the other hand, I will be happy when our FAQs are done, and it's just a matter of sending a post that says "See this URL for a Club FAQ on that topic." The other thing I'm hoping is that people will start to use the Message Archives that Smitster kindly set up for us. We're going to spotlight that link more prominently on the Club homepage. And, finally, I hope the egroups/Yahoo merger will result in the ability for an automatic introductory letter to be sent to new members. I envision that introductory letter being very clear about where our FAQs are located. I really believe these FAQs are going to be a great thing for the Club. We're hard at work on them by the way. <g> Penny From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:52:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:52:00 -0400 Subject: Snape and Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6991 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Snape and Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #6975] Snape and Malfoy Date: 8/16/00 10:52 am (ET) Blaise wrote ... Does anyone have any idea why Snape favours Draco so much, in light of the fact that Snape knows for certain that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater? Do you suppose Snape feels some sort of loyalty to Malfoy, or even that he might be protecting him for some reason? -------------------------- Perhaps Snape is trying to "salvage" Draco and lead him to make a different choice than his father (and the fathers of Draco's friends) did. I continue to anticipate the series reaching a point where Draco will be confronted with the choice to embrace Voldemort or reject him. It would be an interesting counterpoint to see Harry eventually reaching out to Draco in contrast to the relationship between Snape and James (tho of course James *did* save Snape from the trap - can't call it a prank - set by Sirius). On the other hand, Sirius notes in the discussion of Crouch (elder) that the mark of the man is how he treats those under his authority, and perhaps Snape's terrible behavior to Harry, Hermione and Ron, as well as his favoritism of Draco, are intended to suggest that Dumbledore has misplaced his trust ... Will be interesting to see how this develops ... Jim From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:53:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:53:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post article about Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6992 From: heiditandy Subject: Washington Post article about Harry Date: 8/16/00 10:53 am (ET) http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33750-2000Aug15.html A lot of talk by the editor of the paper's Kidspost about how much adults are enjoying the books. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: NYT Booklist Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6993 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: NYT Booklist Reply To: [Yahoo! #6987] Hey Penny-an article on the NYT Booklist Date: 8/16/00 10:56 am (ET) Hi: Yes! Yes! Yes, yes, yes, yes!!!! (whooping noises) --- go Salon.com!! I hate that McGrath person -- what a complete hypocrite as Heidi pointed out in a later message. I do think a childrens' bestseller list is a good thing for many of the reasons cited in this article, but I do not believe that HP should be relegated SOLELY to that list. I do view it as "relegated" too btw. If they want to have a childrens' bestseller list & include HP (perhaps SS & CoS only), fine. But, GoF is *not* a 9-12 book (IMO). Sales figures just do not support this move on the part of the NY Times. I hope Scholastic can figure out a way to recast the books. This ought to be easy enough to do given that JKR herself has said time & time & time again that she didn't write the books with any target audiece in mind. Scholastic just messed up at the beginning by classifying SS as "childrens" and not reviewing whether it ought to change the classification in light of sales figures & demographics of the buying public. That *ought* to be good enough for the NY Times, if they're playing by their stated rules (that it's up to a book's publisher to classify it as "adult" or "childrens"). I suspect that's a line of garbage & they'll think of all sorts of groundless arguments why they shouldn't reinstate the HP books on the main bestseller list. Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 14:57:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:57:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6994 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6968] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 10:57 am (ET) Vicki writes: >D'Yquem, king and god of the universe, otherwise >known as the most beautiful kitty on the face of >the planet, Or perhaps just the most spoiled! :-) To get on to the main thrust, of thread, Yes Voldy in PS/SS does say "I killed your father FIRST and he put a courageous fight" - Which leads me to wonder if what happened to the house was the 'collateral damage' from the fight. I have this image of the climactic light-sabre duel in _The Empire Strikes Back_ where Vader uses the Force to pick things up and toss them at Luke to distract him. I wonder if James was trying the same thing to Voldy who just kept coming - up to and including trying to collapse the roof on him. (Perhaps he remembered Oz and was trying to drop his own house on the Wicked Wizard of the East!) AS for why Voldy is attacking in the first place - I think we have found clear passages indicating the fact is that V was after *Harry*. I think it is because Trelawney's previous true Prophecy will be revealed as something like that the Potter's child would be Lord V's downfall, so V was out to nip him in the bud. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 15:04:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Lupin Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6995 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Lupin Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6974] Re: Lupin Fans Date: 8/16/00 11:04 am (ET) I am just waiting for you Remus & Sirius fans to propose the creation of <news:alt.sex.beastiality.lycanthropes> and <news:alt.sex.beastiality.animagi> But Siriusly, hasn't it occurred to you all that both characters might have certain limitations in bed? I mean, what if they are stuck on preferring only one certain position, the identity of which I will leave as an exercise for the clever.... in deference to the point that DESPITE this being "Harry Potter for adults" there are in fact a large number of under-18's here, which all of us ought to keep in mind when we post on topics leaning towards the erotic.... From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 15:34:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard population Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6996 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Wizard population Reply To: [Yahoo! #6939] Wizard population Date: 8/16/00 11:34 am (ET) Neil: I like your logic and think you are right on. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that there is any other wizarding school in the UK. If there are any other families like the Weasleys then the population isn't tailing off. Jim From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 16:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6997 From: jferer Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6980] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 12:18 pm (ET) I subscribe to the Heir of Gryffindor theory, too, for the reasons you named. How about this detail? When Harry was buying his first wand in Ollivander's, and finally found the right wand, what did it do? shoot out red and gold (Gryffindor colors) sparks! It would also explain why Voldemort would not have bothered killing Lily if she hadn't got in the way -- it was the male line he was after. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 16:27:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6998 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6994] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 12:27 pm (ET) <<< I think it is because Trelawney's previous true Prophecy will be revealed as something like that the Potter's child would be Lord V's downfall, so V was out to nip him in the bud. >>> If that's the case, then why won't Dumbledore tell Harry why Voldemort tried to kill him? It wouldn't make much difference since the prophecy has already been fulfilled. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 16:29:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: Race & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C6999 From: jferer Subject: Re: Race & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6983] Race & HP Date: 8/16/00 12:29 pm (ET) Hermione's commitment to the house-elves does add dimension to Hermione, and is also a milepost on her road to growing up. Hermione is looking outside herself, maybe for the first time. It's also important to her development that she discovers that the situation is more complex than she first believed. It's all part of JKR's theme of growing. God send my two daughters do the same. I'd be proud to have them end up like Hermione. In William Manchester's life of Churchill, he wrote of the British underclass in the context of the turn of the twentieth century. I was shocked to read that most of these people were significantly shorter and looked stunted because of poor nutrition and disease. I thought of that when I was reading about the house-elves. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 16:55:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: HWGA -- Number of students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7000 From: jferer Subject: Re: HWGA -- Number of students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6947] Re: HWGA -- Number of students Date: 8/16/00 12:55 pm (ET) I agree with you about what I think the birth rate must be. I'm not sure I agree with you about the 800-1000 number you've postulated for Hogwarts, but I keep coming back to the fact my daughter's elementary school has way over 300 students, and it's not big. It gave me an appreciation how small that number is. Still, there are things that nag me. We haven't heard one word about other schools in the UK, but what happens to people like Stan Shunpike on the Knight Bus? He went to Hogwarts? How about Tom in the Leaky Cauldron? My hypothesis is that a magical child *must* be trained. (Remember the toddler that was swelling a slug at the World Cup? It would be downright dangerous to have children like that running around without schooling.) Last, you're absolutely right that the wizarding society would be destroyed if all, or not even all, the population was destroyed, even if there were magical children born. We'd be back to the witch-burning days. I think the only legitimate things we can draw comclusions from is material from the books or things JKR has said. We can't use fanfic. So all this does is make us aware there's a lot we don't know. From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 17:09:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7001 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6998] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 1:09 pm (ET) I, too, subscribe to the Potters-as-last-of-the-Gryffindor-line theory..... Due to Voldemort's inadvertent transferral of his gifts to Harry, Godric Gryffindor's heir may ironically possess the very traits characteristic of his archrival Salazar Slytherin. Perhaps, in the unpredictable science of spells, prophecies, and curses, the prophecy would be voided if Harry was to be enlightened as to its connotations before a certain age, or at all. --Alicia/Sue "Jazz Age Lampshade" Spinnet From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 18:22:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7002 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6937] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 2:22 pm (ET) <<He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry.>> But if he *really* wanted to do the minimum, couldn't he have taken the blood from Harry's injured leg? It was already bleeding. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 18:39:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7003 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7001] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 2:39 pm (ET) I'm a Heir of Gryffindor theorist as well. Old-timers, hit your delete key... this may be old hat. Alicia Spinnet AKA Sue wrote: "Perhaps, in the unpredictable science of spells, prophecies, and curses, the prophecy would be voided if Harry was to be enlightened as to its connotations before a certain age, or at all." I'm not sure whether I agree that his knowing would void the validity of The Prophecy. Rather, I believe that The Prophecy is not widely known in the wizarding world. Given the tendency of all human beings to skate on the surface without exploring the pond below, the fact of Harry Potter-as-Boy-Who-Lived seems to be enough for most of the other characters in this story. No one seems to question why he alone survived the Killing Curse. Dumbledore, as Harry's wise guide, may be one of the only people who knows about the Prophecy. He seems to be gifting Harry with certain pieces of the puzzle at the appropriate time. Perhaps his reasoning was that it was best for Harry to endure the Dursleys to strengthen his character, and then go on to Hogwarts like any other wizard kid. One of the most interesting themes in the first four books of HP was Harry's quest for normalcy... all kids ages 11-14 want to "fit in". As many in this club have already noted, GoF definitely marked the end of Harry's childhood. The dreams and triumphs of childhood and early adolescence (winning the Quidditch Cup, etc.) are pushed aside by the intrusion of the Real World. Voldemort is back. Cedric is dead. Harry realizes that he is no longer a boy, but not yet a man. It wouldn't surprise me if he spends the summer before Year 5 cocooning, first at the Dursleys, then at the Burrow. What I'm wondering is what could possibly snap Harry out of his depression and back on his Quest at this point. Until next July, Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 18:45:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7004 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7002] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 2:45 pm (ET) By: ravenclawlady Date: 8/16/00 2:22 pm <<He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry.>> <But if he *really* wanted to do the minimum, couldn't he have taken the blood from Harry's injured leg? It was already bleeding.> I'm fairly new, so here's my two thousand Galleons on these over-discussed topics: 1) Why didn't Wormtail wound Harry more seriously? Well, Wormtail is a coward. Sirius reminded me of that as I was listening to PoA in my car this week. Cowards don't do anything unless they see what's in it for them. Wormtail *knew* that Voldy wanted the satisfaction of finishing off Harry, and that the Evil One's satisfaction would be considerably diminished by fighting a seriously wounded opponent. 2) The gleam in Dumbledore's eye is NOT indicative of his wickedness. When has Dumbledore EVER been anything but a father figure to Harry? I just smiled when I first read it--it was one of those Dumbledore "I know something you don't know that will help later on" moments. (BTW, this is the first and last time I will ever comment on that particular topic.) Don't be paranoid, folks--Dumbledore's one of us. Ebony AKA AngieJ From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 18:47:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7005 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6998] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/16/00 2:47 pm (ET) <<then why won't Dumbledore tell Harry why Voldemort tried to kill him?>> I suspect only because it wouldn't serve the story line at this point. Jim From anatty at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 18:57:00 2000 From: anatty at yahoo.com (anatty) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter all around Europe! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7006 From: anatty Subject: Harry Potter all around Europe! Date: 8/16/00 2:57 pm (ET) Hello all! How are you? I've just come back (5 hours ago! good to be home) from a 20 days trip at Germany, Sweden, Norway and Denemark. So I thought you'd like a report about Harry Potter's doing in Europe. Most of the book stores I've seen had HP books on the window - both English and the local language, and every store that had HP had the GOF as well. There were a lot of book stores like that! I even saw some shops are members at the "Muggles for HP", they were closed when I was there - so I didn't get to buy anything :( In Germany the book is REALLY loves - and there's a countdown (in EACH book store) to the publication of the traslation of the GOF. There's a HUGE bourd with a HP drawing on it - and numbers (and the word countdown). There's a lot of Harry Potter around Europe - hope it makes you happy as it makes me!! Have a *wonderful* day! 8^) Anatty! From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 19:20:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7007 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7002] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 3:20 pm (ET) <<<He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry.>>> <<But if he *really* wanted to do the minimum, couldn't he have taken the blood from Harry's injured leg? It was already bleeding.>> Well, the spell did require that the blood of the enemy be "forcibly taken". This probably constitutes that the blood be drawn specifically for use in the spell. Blood from a pre-existing wound may not have applied. I agree with what others have said that Voldemort instructed Wormtail not to seriously injure Harry so that he could show off to the Death Eaters during their duel. If Harry had already been seriously wounded and unable to try to defend himself, the assumed victory for Voldemort wouldn't have been as great. After all, he had no idea whatsoever that Harry would even be a formidable opponent. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 20:01:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: Education and -After Hogwarts... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7008 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Education and -After Hogwarts... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6965] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 4:01 pm (ET) <<<I suppose the MoM has another department to track such kids/adults through their lives...yes maybe after Book 7, we'll have a story about a school for adults who discover their true calling. Maybe the MoM sends such letters informing them and at some point, their curiousity would get the better of them and they would enrol. This school also has post graduate courses for those who wish to learn to apparate, become animagi, skills upgrading, Masters in Transfiguration(!) refresher courses and the like!!! >>> I thinkthat maybe there is another Dept. to the MoM, which we've never heard of that deals w/, apparating, and animagius license etc.... Charlie is working w/ Dragons, possibly this started somewhat as an apprenticeship (sp?)... I'm not very well versed on the British Education system but I think that the OWLS and NEWTS would be like A levels, and University's, such as Oxford or Cambridge, would probably be comparable to something in the Wizard world that we haven't heard about it. Also I think that the person who said that many Wizards might be home-schooled is right. Scott From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 20:26:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: number of posts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7009 From: heiditandy Subject: number of posts Date: 8/16/00 4:26 pm (ET) I just wanted to point out that almost half of the posts on this list have been made since the book was released. We do talk a lot don't we? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7010 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6979] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 5:04 pm (ET) <<I'm of the opinion that if a child and their family are totally unaware of wizarding society, a personal representative from Hogwarts ... comes to explain everything to the family, takes them or shows them Diagon Alley, etc. Perhaps this was Hagrid's job in SS. I bet he'd have shown up even if Harry had gotten his letter.>> Hmmm. I'm not sure people would be reassured if the news of their child's unique talent was broken by a massive giant with his face "almost completely hidden by a long, shaggy mane of hair". I agree with you, though, that there might be some sort of Muggle-Wizard liaison team. I imagine this is why they have "Muggle Studies" on the curriculum at Hogwarts - it's aimed at those students who might go into that area of work or to work in the Muggle community in other ways. I also agree with another comment made (I think it was by Vicky), that Arthur Weasley ought to be more of an expert on Muggle paraphernalia. If he is so puzzled by the telephone, for example, how could he tell if it were being 'misused'? [Ahem - just trying to keep Arthur in the discussion somehow <g>] When it comes to Muggle parents dealing with a child's attendance at a school for witches and wizards, could it be that they are put under some sort of charm, a bit like the 'Obliviate!' spell? ['Obfuscate' perhaps?]. It would be a long-term charm that would cause them to make up very plausible 'smoke-screen' explanations for anyone who pried too much, or trigger off some sort of alarm at MoM in such circumstances, so that they could apparate someone over to say 'Obliviate!' The parents would be fully aware of the situation, but, somehow, never manage to tell anyone else anything to give the game away. Neil, who is hot (not in the Sirius way, I've been feverish for the last three days). From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:10:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:10:00 -0400 Subject: Get well soon, Neil! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7011 From: Danemead Subject: Get well soon, Neil! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7010] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 5:10 pm (ET) >>>>Neil, who is hot (not in the Sirius way, I've been feverish for the last three days). <<<< Neil, when's the last time the old Ford Anglia was in to have it's tires rotated? LOL... Hope you feel better soon, we've missed your comments. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: New Members; Repetitive Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7012 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: New Members; Repetitive Questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #6990] New Members; Repetitive Questions Date: 8/16/00 5:15 pm (ET) **Neil wrote: <<<At the end of the day, I think we have to live with questions being repeated, rather than tell people off for not abosrobing the entire archive. Sometimes, something new comes out of repeating a questio nand, as you say, it often *is* new to the people who are newer members.>>> **Penny replied: Couldn't have said it better myself. Neil again: You would have done it without the errors, Penny! <bg> From mayacloud at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:24:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:24:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7013 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6897] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 5:24 pm (ET) Hey...put it in that light and it DOES seem more reasonable. And it DID seem okay when he was a bouncing ferret (hahaha). p.s. I've gotta admit I like your name - my real first name is Heidi, too. WE're a rare breed, haven't you found?!?!?! From mayacloud at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:26:00 2000 From: mayacloud at yahoo.com (mayacloud) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:26:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7014 From: mayacloud Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6879] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 5:26 pm (ET) Hmmm... good point. And convenient that Harry didn't have to suffer such an extreme inury. Remember JKR makes these rules up as she goes along (BG) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:47:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: Race & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7015 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Race & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #6983] Race & HP Date: 8/16/00 5:47 pm (ET) Neil wrote: <<<JKR makes points against prejudice without citing recognisable minority groups. Penny wrote: >>>I agree completely. JKR is British -- it's not *always* about us Yanks after all. ===== Let me begin by saying that I agree with the above, and with Heidi's post about British historical class structure. However, I think that as readers we bring our own life experiences to the table. Authorial intent cannot be divorced from reader perception. So if a minority reader feels an affinity with the House-Elf subplot, and can relate it to their own lives and cultural experiences, then so much the better. To me, *that* is the measure of a truly great book. Ebony AKA AngieJ From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 21:58:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7016 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Reply To: [Yahoo! #6937] Re: Anyone else distrubed by end of GOF? Date: 8/16/00 5:58 pm (ET) >>What I meant was that it would have been so much easier for Wormie to draw blood by causing more injury to Harry than a mere cut. He seemed to have done only the minimum to get what V wanted. It was as if he was careful not to hurt him too much, which brings me back to the point of Wormtail feeling indebted to Harry. << I guess that in terms of Voldemort soup, the worm is the spice and the spice is the worm..." so to speak! And the Worm is also the chef! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 22:27:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:27:00 -0400 Subject: QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7017 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Reply To: [Yahoo! #6989] QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Date: 8/16/00 6:27 pm (ET) >>> IF THE MINISTRY WATCHES THE ACTIVITY OF ANIMAGI SO CLOSELY ,HOW COULD JAMES, SIRUS, AND PETER LEARN TO BECOME ANIMAGI? I THOUGHT IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL IF YOU DID NOT REGISTER. >>> Hi, Kim, welcome to the club! Before I answer your question, I have a request -- could you not write in all caps? It's difficult to read. One of the earlier club discussions was about not using all caps or all lowercase, because it can be very difficult to read and understand. Thanks! As to your question -- it's kind of like learning how to drive, and driving regularly, but not having a driver's license. Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs were illegal, unregistered Animagi. If they would've been caught by the Ministry, they probably would've been punished and/or fined. Which begs the question -- is there a werewolf registry? Would Lupin be on it? Werewolf wouldn't count as Animagi, would they? I wouldn't think so since Animagi can change into animals "at will" and Lupin's changes are involuntary. Again, Kim, welcome! -- JoAnna From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Praise for Character Sketches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7018 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Praise for Character Sketches Date: 8/16/00 7:00 pm (ET) Hi: I've been meaning to post this for awhile now -- I have thoroughly enjoyed all the character sketches that have been so far. I love that everyone is pulling tidbits about each character from all 4 books. They've all been outstanding so far (and they'll be a huge help to those of us writing the Club FAQs). I have some thoughts on Arthur -- will post them later. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: Subject Headings!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7019 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Subject Headings!! Date: 8/16/00 7:04 pm (ET) Hi: Could everyone please make an effort to think about your subject headings? There's about 100 posts today that say "Re: Has Anyone Ever Thought" or some variant of that. I get my messages via email so maybe it's just easier for me because of the email delivery. I always create an original post & cut & paste things I'm replying to from my email program. So, I always must consider the subject heading since I'm creating an original message each time. But, even if you're creating posts by hitting Reply -- just try to remember to focus on the Subject Heading before you start typing (or before you hit "Post Message"). Thanks!!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:11:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7020 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius Black Date: 8/16/00 7:11 pm (ET) Hi: Catlady wrote: <<<My other thought was green ('jade' would fit the description 'pale' better than 'emerald') and he actually is DISTANTLY related to Lily.>>>> How do you know Sirius Black is distantly related to Lily Potter????? Where did I miss that??? Thanks to everyone for their comments about Sirius' eye color. Carole won out -- we are giving him dark brown eyes in our fanfic. It was interesting how everyone had such different thoughts. I think a strict count of the votes would probably indicate most people supported grey/silver. I was persuaded by the argument that Padfoot must have eyes that aren't "odd" for a dog to have (or he'd be conspicuous). Someone else noted that Padfoot's eyes are described as pale & gleaming -- this would seem to suggest icy blue or grey, but, alas, we've opted for dark brown. Maybe JKR will clue us in a later book. So, for now dear fans, Sirius has dark brown eyes. Penny From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:17:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:17:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard population Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7021 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Wizard population Reply To: [Yahoo! #6996] Re: Wizard population Date: 8/16/00 7:17 pm (ET) In the very first book, Neville said his family was afraid he wasn't magic enough to get admitted to Hogwarts. If he hadn't been, would he then not have been educated in magic at all? Or maybe that's when they are home-schooled? I always assumed that if he hadn't been admitted to Hogwarts, he would have had to go to another lesser quality school. And Neil, there are at least two editions if not two separate newspapers. HP2 mentions an Evening Prophet. Margaret, hoping she hasn't alienated Neil (especially if he's sick) since she wants him to make the weather in London on October 11-13 beautiful so her sister and roommate (who've never been there) will love it as much as she does. You have the power, right Neil? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard population/education Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7022 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wizard population/education Reply To: [Yahoo! #7021] Re: Wizard population Date: 8/16/00 7:53 pm (ET) <<In the very first book, Neville said his family was afraid he wasn't magic enough to get admitted to Hogwarts. If he hadn't been, would he then not have been educated in magic at all? Or maybe that's when they are home-schooled? I always assumed that if he hadn't been admitted to Hogwarts, he would have had to go to another lesser quality school. >> Perhaps he would have been sent to a regular school after a going through a suitable brainwashing charm? I think Hogwarts selects only those students with potential and leaves the rest to fit into a Muggle lifestyle or live in the Wizarding World, untrained. The only thing that bothers me about what I just wrote is that, in that scenario, some witches and wizards would end up having no education at all. We've also not resolved the problem of non-magical topics being absent from the Hogwarts' curriculum. Potions is great, but how much Chemistry is taught? Charms is fun, but not if you can't spell... <<And Neil, there are at least two editions if not two separate newspapers. HP2 mentions an Evening Prophet.>> Thanks Margaret, I'd missed that! It doesn't really alter the point though - the implication that there is a fairly small wizarding population. As an aside, the London Evening Standard is sold in several different editions each day, which begin - bizarrely enough - around noon. <<Margaret, hoping she hasn't alienated Neil (especially if he's sick) since she wants him to make the weather in London on October 11-13 beautiful so her sister and roommate (who've never been there) will love it as much as she does. You have the power, right Neil? >> I'll have to dig out my 'Meteorica Bueno!' spell for that, Margaret. Fighting off rain in autumnal London requires some powerful magic. Neil is feeling cool (again, not in a Sirius way, just returning to being 'Tragical Me') From crazee85264 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 23:58:00 2000 From: crazee85264 at yahoo.com (crazee85264) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7023 From: crazee85264 Subject: Veela (Book 4) Date: 8/16/00 7:58 pm (ET) I had done a little reading up on english folk lore and found that Dobby the house elf is J.K's version of a hobgobblin, with a little more pizzaz i must say. Anyway she does base much of her writting on some form of mythology, folklore, and modernday witchcraft. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on Veela the beautiful dancing women at the world quidditch championship. Could they be something like a harpie? Or a Siren? (greek Mythology). If you have any ideas please help me out. :-) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 00:05:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7024 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7023] Veela (Book 4) Date: 8/16/00 8:05 pm (ET) <<I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on Veela the beautiful dancing women at the world quidditch championship. Could they be something like a harpie? Or a Siren? (greek Mythology). If you have any ideas please help me out. :-)>> Go to message #4338 for some detailed information on the Veela (or Vila) from Catlady! Neil From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 01:18:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: 50 Secrets Reveiled Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7025 From: poohbr_65 Subject: 50 Secrets Reveiled Date: 8/16/00 9:18 pm (ET) Hi all! I picked up this magazine today that had Harry on the cover. Obviously it is for kids, what's hot and what's not. They said they had 50 secrets of Harry Potter reveiled. Some of them are about Jo and if what Penny says about the bio is true I'm not sure how much of it is true. But a couple of the things were interesting. I'm just wondering if any one else has heard these: 12. Rowling and her British publisher buried a time capsule containing children's preditions for the last book under King's Cross station in London. 20. Why do some witches and wizards become ghosts after they dies and some don't? You won't find out until the last book, but Rowling has hinted that the happiest people don't become ghosts. 26. Want to know more about Harry's family? We'll learn about Harry's grandparents in future books. 28. Rowling named non-magical people Muggles after the English term "mug" which means fool. 29. Don't ask Rowling to perform any spells for you. Harry Potter's creation doesn't believe in magic. 50. Rowling hasn't yet written the seventh and final Harry Potter book, but she's already written the last paragraph. The last word in the paragraph will be "scar." Just wanted to know if anyone has heard of any of these. Some are out there but some like these could be interesting. Later Shelly From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 01:44:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: Handwritten signatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7026 From: Danemead Subject: Handwritten signatures Date: 8/16/00 9:44 pm (ET) I was just re-reading Prisoner of Azkaban and noticed on Page 10 (USA version) that the two signatures from Ron are not identical -- apparently they are "hand-drawn" individually for each letter or note that is written. They appear with the usual minor differences that everyone's signatures show naturally. Now THAT is painstaking detail! I wonder if the publishers/printers had one person forge all the signatures in the books, or if they chose a person each who matches the personality of the character, in order to have authentic handwritten signature characteristics? Pretty neat... From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 01:49:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: Flame-Freezing Charm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7027 From: Danemead Subject: Flame-Freezing Charm Date: 8/16/00 9:49 pm (ET) Also in PoA, there is a mention of Wendelin the Weird using a "basic Flame Freezing Charm" to escape the effects of being burned alive at the stake. Why didn't any of the Triwizard Champions think of using this charm against the dragons? (Yeah, I know -- would have spoiled the suspense.) (Also, I wonder why the FF Charm wouldn't work for the two fires in the doorways leading to the Sorcerer's Stone in Book 1. Must have been special Wizard fires requiring Snape's icy potion to pass thru!) From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:14:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Fever Stricken Neil Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7028 From: golden_faile Subject: Fever Stricken Neil Reply To: [Yahoo! #7010] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/16/00 10:14 pm (ET) I hope you feel better real soon. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:26:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: Mixed marriages,etc... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7029 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Mixed marriages,etc... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6957] Re: Where wizards live Date: 8/16/00 10:26 pm (ET) >>which leads to the interesting question of where do the half and half marriages live?<< This intermarriage stuff leaves a few very serious unanswered questions! Such as, How on earth did Hagrid's parents manage to procreate in the first place. Given that the female is the giant, I would think he (the father) just doesn't have the right stuff! Obviously, he must be one of the all time greats at foreplay! >>It's possible that not ALL the witches and wizards in the world are as muggle ignorant as the ones we've met. Frankly, I think that Mr. Weasley should realistically know more about muggles than he seems to, given the department that he works for<< Given that Weasley works for the government, his ignorance of muggles seems appropriate. Even if that is his job. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:35:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7030 From: golden_faile Subject: Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Reply To: [Yahoo! #6975] Snape and Malfoy Date: 8/16/00 10:35 pm (ET) Could Snape possibly be related to the Malfoys? Wouldn't that explain why he favors Draco so much.It could also be, that he has to appear to be what he is not, so that he can get close to Lord V again when the time comes. Any theories on this? From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:41:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: Get Well... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7031 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Get Well... Date: 8/16/00 10:41 pm (ET) Neil, you can't get sick, who will right the amusing (and occasionally "sirius") posts?!?!? Well anyhow hope you're feeling better... From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:43:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7032 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6963] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/16/00 10:43 pm (ET) Okay, once and for all time, here is the exact number of students at Hogwarts. After extensive research of the subject, I have used several supercomputers to predict the influences of several different factors. Taking into account polar wobble and the change in the earth's magnetic field, it can be hypothesized that each student represents one gazillionth of the amount of energy in the universe. Using a sliderule the exact number comes out to be 379 students plus or minus 500. There, now that makes the whole story complete in my mind, how about you? I don't think I could read another one of these books without having that settled. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:51:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7033 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6963] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/16/00 10:51 pm (ET) >>I wonder too if the gap between Charlie & Percy could also be partially explained by the Voldemort years. << "The Voldemort Years" is now available in paperback. The shocking story of persecution and distruction in the Wizard World. Population reductions caused by this reign of terror have made it almost impossible to figure out how many students there are at Hogwarts! Read about the widespread use of the Unforgiveable Curses used for the mere pleasure of the Death Eaters. You'll read actual interviews with some of the former Death Eaters and here the untold story. There's also a free recipe for Voldemort soup inside the back cover. Order now. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:55:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7034 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #7032] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/16/00 10:55 pm (ET) But Randy, arguing as one engineer to another, I think you also forgot to factor in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which would apply because wizards obviously have more energy and therefore momentum that Muggles, so their position is less certain.... in other words those 379 people might be at Hogwarts but there is a non-insignificant probability that they also aren't, because if you observe them at Hogwarts you are no longer sure where they are moving to. So the argument isn't over yet..... Just remember, Heisenberg may or may not have been here. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 02:59:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: Oh Yeah!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7035 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Oh Yeah!!!! Date: 8/16/00 10:59 pm (ET) Hi all. I am sooo happy!!!! The hubby "had" to give me my birthday presents a day early and I am happy to say that all my Harry books now have bookends to match. He got me the bookends at the WB store and the funny thing is he did it with me right there, right under my nose and I never suspected a thing. Just what I wanted. Now on top of not being able to wait to read them they really look good and I finally have a nice place to put them along all the other "literature" Later Shelly From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 03:02:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts students, number of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7036 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Hogwarts students, number of Date: 8/16/00 11:02 pm (ET) Ooops I meant "write"..... Well I have read a LOT about the number of students who atend Hogwarts and here's my take... In the stories we hear mostly about Slytherins and Gryffindors. There is, at best evidence, 8 students in Harry's House and year. If the Sorting Hat simply goes by traits and not numbers then we *could* assume that simply a small amount of students are cunning or brave and therefore in Gry./Sly. Which brings me to the conclusion that there are 400 to 600 people attending Hogwarts. I attend a school of about 700 students, which is a rather small size for High Schools. If we said there was oh say, 525 students at Hogwarts, there would be app. 131 stud. in each house and 18 in each year. This is pushing it, I admit. If one year, like Harry's was larger, than say the new first years, this would explain things.... If we were to say that there was an estimate of 10,000 wizards in the British Isles, and each family had 2-3 children, with a possible decline during the Lord V. years, and 40% (I'm guessing is children) most the numbers, I, and others mention would be feasible. Scott From vjmerri at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 03:04:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:04:00 -0400 Subject: Skeeter's future Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7037 From: vjmerri Subject: RE: Skeeter's future Reply To: [Yahoo! #6914] RE: "Lack of Remorse" Date: 8/16/00 11:04 pm (ET) By: plinsenmayer Date: 8/15/00 4:02 pm >she's [Hermione] doing so for what I would term "noble" reasons. She's taking a stand against irresponsible journalism. Rita's not being mistreated as Heidi pointed out, and Hermione's merely trying to drive home her point with Rita. I didn't at all see that scene as a demonstration of "lack of remorse" on Hermione's part. > Unfortunately, I don't think its going to help. As soon as Rita gets out she'll go right back to her old habits. All she has to lose is being exposed as an unlicensed animagus. What does she have to gain? 1. She can expose the entire situation at Hogwarts. That Sirius Black is around Hogwarts, that he is an unlicensed animagus and shows as a large black dog; that Dumbledore is protecting the convicted murderer; that Sirius and Harry are friends; that Fudge and Dumbledore have come to at least a partial parting of the ways. 2. That Voldemort is back and has a new body. She may twist the truth to make it seem as though Harry actively helped V. to come back willingly. 3. She could expose Dumbledore's decision to contact the giants. She knows EVERYTHING. What she, in fact, could do, rather than publish immediately, is to go sell her soul to L. Voldemort and start publishing stories that divide the wizarding world and help him to regain power. She can tell Voldemort everything she knows, including the fact that Snape is trusted by Dumbledore. Rita Skeeter is interested in only one thing - herself. She wants attention from her journalism or maybe she gets off on the power and havoc of her false reporting. In my opinion, She is going to degenerate in book five from unscrupulous journalist to a more clearly evil power hungry person. vicki From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 03:51:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:51:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students :0) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7038 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Number of Students :0) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7034] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/16/00 11:51 pm (ET) Not so fast Brooksy Baby! The number stated was 379 plus or minus 500! The tolerance takes into account the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle. It also allows for a number of -121 students which would imply that there actually is no such thing as Hogwarts in the first place. Perhaps this is all just a dream being experienced by a number of individuals via the Collective Unconscious. I for instance believed that I was reading a series of fiction books describing an imaginary Wizard World made up purely of Fantastic and impossible events. All of you board members have convinced me now that this is indeed a factual accounting of a true story and that certain details have accidently been omitted. Now that I know that Harry Potter is describing the real world, I hope to wake up from this fantasy world that I live in and stop having to go to this silly job 5 days a week! :0) From vjmerri at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 04:05:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Physical presence of Wizarding Geogr Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7039 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Physical presence of Wizarding Geogr Reply To: [Yahoo! #6955] Physical presence of Wizarding Geography Date: 8/17/00 12:05 am (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/15/00 11:32 pm where are the wizarding spaces? physically in the Muggle spacetime continuum, I lean more & more to really in this world, but concealed, or at best (for the Alleys, and Gringott's vaults) in only a small pocket reality just barely off the Muggle one. -------------- The wizarding world definitely seems to be in the same _time_ continuum, and JKR has stated in book one that the bank vaults are miles below the surface of London, so they would definitely seem to be in the same physical universe. By corollary, if the vaults are physically in London then Gringotts really has to be, and thence the rest of Diagon Alley. However, it just isn't realistic to be able to hide geographic areas the size a diagon alley in London. I think there is a physical connection to London that to the observer, maybe appears to be the size of a building. But like so much else of the wizarding world (the car trunks, the cars themselves, their tents. . .)it is bigger on the inside than the outside. JKR's wizarding geography definitely has Tardis like properties. Its magic. There isn't a scientific explanation for where the space comes from. It isn't another dimension or anything. Its just magic. Of course, one could always say that Diagon Alley is simply diagonal to the muggle universe, which is why they can't see it :-) >Consider - is the route taken by the Express riding an extant, physical, (possibly abandoned) Muggle track? And we know in PofA that the train > Hermione says that the muggles can see Hogwarts, but it looks like a ruin, so the train must travel from London to somewhere. Remember, in C of Secrets, Ron and Harry could follow the train in the flying car, which went north and which was seen by a number of muggles across the country. That implies that the track and train are physically there but simply hidden with magical protections from muggle view. Ron and Harry, as young wizards, could see the train, but the car wasn't protected by the trains' muggle charms. vicki From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 04:33:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's glasses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7040 From: asianpower83 Subject: Harry's glasses Date: 8/17/00 12:33 am (ET) A trivial inquiry, In CoS, Harry had broken his glasses and Arthur Weasley fixed them up "good as new" ( Page 56, US version). Why is it then, that on every cover and picture inside since CoS have had a depiction Harry with nerdy taped up glasses? Larry From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 05:11:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 Subject: Age gap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7041 From: dee_97527 Subject: Age gap Reply To: [Yahoo! #7033] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/17/00 1:11 am (ET) >>I wonder too if the gap between Charlie & Percy could also be partially explained by the Voldemort years. << Sometimes there is just an age gap. There is 13 months between me and my next sister. Then a gap of 7 years then 15 year between sisters. My mother said that every time they moved to a new city, she had a baby. There is 28 years between me and my half-brother. Diann From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 05:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:33:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7042 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius Black Reply To: [Yahoo! #7020] Sirius Black Date: 8/17/00 1:33 am (ET) > How do you know Sirius Black is distantly related to Lily Potter????? Where did I miss that??? No, no. no! I was not asserting that Sirius is related to Lily, I was suggesting that any author who gives him green eyes can also make him related to Lily! From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 07:05:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:05:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's glasses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7043 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Harry's glasses Reply To: [Yahoo! #7040] Harry's glasses Date: 8/17/00 3:05 am (ET) Good Question! maybe the illustrator didn't no that detail. if you have the UK cover version, his glasses are too small to tell anyway From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 07:11:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:11:00 -0400 Subject: Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7044 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7030] Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Date: 8/17/00 3:11 am (ET) i doubt it. why i think Snape favours Malfoy so much is because he probably went to Hogwarts with Lucius. I am assuming they were friends, so of course Snape would be nice to Lucius' son. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 07:15:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:15:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7045 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #6886] Number of Students Date: 8/17/00 3:15 am (ET) <<I wonder too if the gap between Charlie & Percy could also be partially explained by the Voldemort years.>> I've thought of that too, but all of last 5 Weasley children were born during the Voldemort years. Though it is possible, I find it hard to believe that all four of those pregnancies were unplanned. I suppose, however, that they could have decided not to have more kids after Voldemort came to power. But that they eventually (maybe after Percy's conception) decided not to put their plans for a large family on hold. After all, they didn't know when, or if, Voldemort would lose power. Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 07:25:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:25:00 -0400 Subject: Order of Potters' deaths Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7046 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Order of Potters' deaths Reply To: [Yahoo! #6967] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/17/00 3:25 am (ET) <<I'm sure James was killed first otherwise how could Voldemort kill James after he himself was reduced to a mere shell when the spell on Harry backfired?>> I've wondered that, too. Here's the possible order of events I found: 1) V puts some kind of non-fatal spell on James to stop him from interfering. 2) He goes after Harry, but finds Lily protecting him. 3) He kills Lily, and makes ready to kill Harry. 4) James throws off V's curse and comes in to protect Harry. 5) V kills James. 6) V tries to kill Harry, it backfires, and the rest is history. True, Harry didn't hear that sequence when the Dementors were around. But his memory may have only covered steps 1-3. Just a thought. Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 08:01:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:01:00 -0400 Subject: Mixed marriages,etc... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7047 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Mixed marriages,etc... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7029] Mixed marriages,etc... Date: 8/17/00 4:01 am (ET) <<How on earth did Hagrid's parents manage to procreate in the first place. Given that the female is the giant, I would think he (the father) just doesn't have the right stuff! >> I found that easier to imagine than a male giant with a female non-giant. Can you imagine carrying a half-giant for nine months? <<Given that Weasley works for the government, his ignorance of muggles seems appropriate. Even if that is his job.>> LOL! Melanie From potterpotty at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 09:32:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mixed marriages,etc... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7048 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Mixed marriages,etc... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7047] Re: Mixed marriages,etc... Date: 8/17/00 5:32 am (ET) Female giant must have cast an engorgement or inflating spell for the um, process to take place!! Oh but I don't suppose the giants have magical powers do they ? From potterpotty at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 09:41:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:41:00 -0400 Subject: 50 Secrets Reveiled Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7049 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: 50 Secrets Reveiled Reply To: [Yahoo! #7025] 50 Secrets Reveiled Date: 8/17/00 5:41 am (ET) Hi, just wanted to let you know I picked up the same magazine too...have not heard the above in any of the other reports or magazines though... From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 11:29:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:29:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter all around Europe! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7050 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Harry Potter all around Europe! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7006] Harry Potter all around Europe! Date: 8/17/00 7:29 am (ET) Salut ! I'm back from a two-week holiday, and I can't believe how many messages I'm supposed to digest. I *knew* it would be this way of course, but actually counting it up to 1700 is just depressing ! So I probably won't make it, and *please* excuse me if I ever happen to repeat something that's been said recently. Well, Anatty, I'm very glad you enjoyed your trip in Europe, but I can't help feeling sad at reading your description of how much HP is loved in those Northern countries (Germany, Sweden, Norway and Denmark are all north of France). Why, *why* can't it be the same here ??!! My fellow French people have discovered HP only a few months ago and they like it all right, but they sure don't care about when the next one is going to be translated, they probably don't even know it's already out in v.o. (Version Originale, original version, English that is for HP), and they might even ignore that PoA is not the last book of the series ! As for reading it in English, they would *never* get down to that : French is our *sacred* language, and it must not be *corrupted* by English ! Whereas in those Northern countries, they tend to learn English at a young age and read books and watch videos in v.o.. As a result, they already have GoF in most bookstores, not only in half the British or American bookshops of their capital cities (like I discovered last week in Paris), and they can share the fun and excitement of waiting for the translated one, while the few of us HP fans in the city I live in only have our little English class to share it with (we discovered HP as part of a training course for the First Certificate of English, a Cambridge test of English as a foreign language - all passed, most of us with grade A). So I do hope that all of you folks who live in countries where HP is more than just "a nice and amusing book for children" thoroughly enjoy the atmosphere ! As for me, I'm so hungry for anything HP-related here in France that I think I wouldn't even mind if all we got was all the wrong side, like the legal battles or the so-called moral issues/censorship stuff. Anything to avoid hearing people enquiring for HP twice in a day like last week in Paris in those English bookstores but never until then and never since, anywhere ! From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 12:39:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:39:00 -0400 Subject: Nott Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7051 From: delwyn_march Subject: Nott Date: 8/17/00 8:39 am (ET) Long live Harry Potter ! Maybe this point has already been discussed, and it's probably quite irrelevant anyway, but wasn't there a Nott being sorted alongside Harry&Co in the first book ? And one of the Death Eaters that came at V's rebirth was named Nott too, right ? So does that mean that this adult-Nott has a son or daughter at Hogwarts but whom we've never heard of ? He or she doesn't seem to hang out with Draco and his gang, so maybe he or she might even not be in Slytherin !? The child of a Death Eater who would not end up in Slytherin *and* would not show any hate towards Harry ??!! That would be unheard of ! So if you happen to know anything about this Nott Jr, please let me know. Doriane, who forgot to sign her last message, she's sorry for this unpoliteness ! From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 12:56:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Subject: "Voldemort Years" paperback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7052 From: jferer Subject: "Voldemort Years" paperback Reply To: [Yahoo! #7033] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/17/00 8:56 am (ET) "The Voldemort Years" paperback *has* caused a sensation in the publishing world. There has been considerable debate whether to market this book in the biography or business sections, due to the major profile pieces recently published in Forbes. Since his last rebirth, Voldemort has taken to using the name V.Thomas Riddle and has founded Avada Technologies, an Internet ASP dedicated to "taking the dark side out of Internet investing", using its proprietary Kedavra technology. "We decided as a strategic model that dead people don't spend money", said company spokesman Peter Pettigrew. "We were reducing our own customer base, so we made the shift to a voluntary enslavement model. Now they'll come to us." Avada stock rose to 23Galleons 11Sickles in trading yesterday. In other developments, Avada announced it had filed suit against one Harry Potter for infringement of Avada's lightning-bolt trademark. "Let's see him dodge this one", said Pettigrew. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:43:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi & werewolves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7053 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Animagi & werewolves Reply To: [Yahoo! #7017] Re: QUESTION ABOUT THE MINISTRY Date: 8/17/00 9:43 am (ET) <<Which begs the question -- is there a werewolf registry? Would Lupin be on it? Werewolf wouldn't count as Animagi, would they? I wouldn't think so since Animagi can change into animals "at will" and Lupin's changes are involuntary.>> You're right, a werewolf does not count as an Animagus. Being an Animagus seems to be a very specialised talent or skill. Being a werewolf is more like having a chronic incurable illness. (That's the picture I get of werewolves from PoA, anyway. I actually prefer the 'Call of the Wild' idea about werewolves seeing themselves as a different species.) There's no way of knowing for sure whether or not there's a werewolf registry. However, seeing as Hermione couldn't find out that Remus was a werewolf by looking at a list the way she did to check the Animagi, I'd suggest that either there isn't one, or that it's kept secret. I'd think, personally, that there isn't one. As werewolves are so despised, people are hardly going to identify themselves willingly for the Ministry. This leads me to wonder about werewolf legislation in general. Are there punishments for being a werewolf? For example, if a werewolf were to bite someone and was caught, what would happen to the werewolf then? Is it legal to kill a werewolf during the full moon? Are there restrictions on what a werewolf can and cannot do? Would the Committee for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures execute a werewolf? ~Blaise (who has wondered about all these things and more during her writing) From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:44:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black eye color/colour Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7054 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Sirius Black eye color/colour Reply To: [Yahoo! #7020] Sirius Black Date: 8/17/00 9:44 am (ET) Penny, I'm not certain that I understand about the brown eyes. If the majority seems to think that Sirius' eyes are gray why is it decided that they are brown by fiat. It just seems a little undemocratic. Or, maybe there is something that I'm not aware of being a new member. Let me know. Thanks, Jim From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:53:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: Meteorica Bueno Spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7055 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re:Meteorica Bueno Spell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7022] Re: Wizard population/education Date: 8/17/00 9:53 am (ET) Neil wrote <<I'll have to dig out my 'Meteorica Bueno' spell for that, Margaret. Fighting off rain in autumnal London requires some powerful magic.>> Neil, you might need an 'Impossibilius Stupendo' spell if the 'Meteorica Bueno' doesn't work Glad you're feeling cool. Jim From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 13:59:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Number of Students Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7056 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Number of Students Reply To: [Yahoo! #7032] Re: Number of Students Date: 8/17/00 9:59 am (ET) Loved your approaches to arrive at your estimate of students. I laughed out loud when I read it. Remind me not to let you do my income tax returns. Jim From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:02:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi & werewolves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7057 From: jferer Subject: Re: Animagi & werewolves Reply To: [Yahoo! #7053] Re: Animagi & werewolves Date: 8/17/00 10:02 am (ET) Hermione mentioned in one of the previous books that "...I didn't need to learn..about the [I forgot] Werewolf Code of Conduct" for her History of Magic exam. You'd think there would be a registry, but many werewolves would try to keep their identities secret. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black eye color/colour Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7058 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Sirius Black eye color/colour Reply To: [Yahoo! #7054] Re: Sirius Black eye color/colour Date: 8/17/00 10:08 am (ET) <<<Penny, I'm not certain that I understand about the brown eyes. If the majority seems to think that Sirius' eyes are gray why is it decided that they are brown by fiat. It just seems a little undemocratic. Or, maybe there is something that I'm not aware of being a new member. Let me know. Thanks, Jim>>> Jim -- Carole & I are writing a fanfic (a fictional piece based on the HP stories in some way & written by a fan). BTW, there are close to 5000 HP fanfics on www.fanfiction.net at the moment. Anyway, our fanfic features Sirius as a primary character. We wanted to describe his eye color, but the books don't give an eye color for Sirius. We were merely soliciting opinions on this Board to see what people pictured or thought. I preferred icy blue and Carole preferred dark brown. As between blue or brown, opinion was probably about evenly divided. I think more people piped up and said "neither blue nor brown, but grey." But, neither Carole nor I liked the idea of grey eyes too much for our fanfic. So, we disregarded & opted for the brown. Call it artistic license. <g> This has nothing whatsoever to do with what color eyes he actually has or what anyone else must believe. People who said "grey eyes," will probably still think of him as having grey eyes. But, in our limited little fanfic world, he'll have dark brown eyes. JKR will maybe give us his actual eye color in a later book -- we're possibly (probably) wrong with the dark brown decision, but if that's the only little detail we get wrong in this fanfic, I'll be very happy (I'm still worried Sirius won't even live past Book 7, which really makes our fanfic very wrong (to say the least)). It's set in the summer of Harry's 21st birthday, so we figure Sirius is about 40 or so. If you want to read it -- you can find it in the Files Section of the following egroups list: http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty Sorry -- maybe I wasn't too clear that this "vote" was strictly for purposes of helping Carole & I waste more time with our fanfic writing. <g> Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:08:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7059 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7023] Veela (Book 4) Date: 8/17/00 10:08 am (ET) I am thinking that rather than house elves being pure hobgoblins that they are related to english brownies. (Oh, ack. Now I want to eat some...lol) As for Veela, I can see them as sirens. I will go and seek that posting, though, since someday, I have to go back and read all the spoilers I avoided! LOL! From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:18:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black eye color/colour Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7060 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Sirius Black eye color/colour Reply To: [Yahoo! #7058] Re: Sirius Black eye color/colour Date: 8/17/00 10:18 am (ET) Penny, Thanks for the clarification. I checked out egroup but at the moment don't have time to sign up. Will do so over the weekend. Thanks again. Jim From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:38:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:38:00 -0400 Subject: 50 Secrets Reveiled Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7061 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: 50 Secrets Reveiled Reply To: [Yahoo! #7025] 50 Secrets Reveiled Date: 8/17/00 10:38 am (ET) <<28. Rowling named non-magical people Muggles after the English term "mug" which means fool. >> This one dovetails well in the litigation against that Stouffer woman who keeps telling anyone who will listen that the term MUGGLES is exclusive to her book, and was never used in any Lewis Carroll stories or Alan Ginsburg poems at all. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:46:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:46:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7062 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7010] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/17/00 10:46 am (ET) <<When it comes to Muggle parents dealing with a child's attendance at a school for witches and wizards, could it be that they are put under some sort of charm, a bit like the 'Obliviate!' spell? ['Obfuscate' perhaps?]. It would be a long-term charm that would cause them to make up very plausible 'smoke-screen' explanations for anyone who pried too much, or trigger off some sort of alarm at MoM in such circumstances, so that they could apparate someone over to say 'Obliviate!' >> Well, this is Great Britain, and sending your 11 year old off to boarding school isn't uncommon - in the average household, they could probably tell friends & family that Brilliant Son/Daughter is attending a terrific school which concentrates on his/her talents up north. I can see, though, that in the Finch-Fletchly social circle, where Justin was expected to go to Eton, it might be a LOT harder to explain why his parents decided to send him/her elsewhere - and Hermione's parents may have a hard time explaining, in a few years, why she's not at Oxford or Cambridge - unless, of course, we learn that one of those schools (which one did Newton (who dabbled in alchemy) teach at?) was a Magical College called Merlin. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 14:56:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7063 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7062] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/17/00 10:56 am (ET) <<and Hermione's parents may have a hard time explaining, in a few years, why she's not at Oxford or Cambridge - unless, of course, we learn that one of those schools (which one did Newton (who dabbled in alchemy) teach at?) was a Magical College called Merlin.>> I think Newton was at Cambridge - not 100% sure, though. Oh, don't I wish I were going to Merlin College Oxford! But it wasn't on the application form ... perhaps you have to be a witch to see it. Guess I'm a Muggle. ~Blaise. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: College (was Wizard talent in Muggle..) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7064 From: heiditandy Subject: College (was Wizard talent in Muggle..) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7062] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/17/00 11:02 am (ET) Add another Uni where Merlin College could be - I completely forgot about St Andrews, which is in Scotland, which would make sense, being nearer to Hogwarts & Hogsmede. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7065 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 11:04 am (ET) Hi: Well, I've been meaning to tackle some of these so here goes. <<<Lucius uses his influence to infect the Ministry of Magic with bad ideas. Fudge follows all of these bad ideas until Arthur Weasley starts to fight back with the reluctant help of his son Percy and the willing help of Charlie and Bill.>>> Yep. I see Arthur playing a much bigger role in the later books & growing ever more powerful at the MoM. Fudge will either be ousted as an incompetent, or it will be revealed that he's a bad guy after all. I think it will be a huge conflict for Percy, but I believe he will come down on the right side after some inner struggles & maybe even some mishaps along the way. I agree with whoever pointed out that if Percy was solely ambitious & had no other primary strengths, he'd have been placed in Slytherin. There's a reason he was a Gryffindor, and we'll see that in later books. Quite possible that *his* Gryffindor courage & self-sacrifice may eventually cost him his life (perhaps to save one or more of his family members -- in GoF, Ron made a comment that Percy would essentially throw his family to the wolves if they were standing in the way of his career & Hermione contested this). I think this exchange will be very important later. <<<Harry gets into hot water because rumors fly that he was responsible for the death of Cedric. Hermione and Ron start to pair up gradually which isolates Harry for part of the book. Cho resents Harry at first because she starts to believe the rumors about his killing Cedric (or at least that he is somehow responsible). Harry feels torn between his own feelings of guilt for the death of Cedric because he asked him to touch the cup with him! Harry longs to be close to Cho but has to deal with all of this guilt and suspicion. At the end of the book his name is cleared againg and Cho begins to like him again.>>> Are you being facetious or trying to start arguments? <g> I do agree that Ron & Hermione may hook up romantically in one of the later books (of course, it won't work because Hermione belongs with Harry but that's another argument). But, this business about Cho -- (a) I don't see her *blaming* Harry for Cedric's death (I see Harry blaming himself though); and (b) I think his crush on Cho is over (he blames himself for Cedric's death & he's matured & aged by the end of GoF). At the end of GoF, he's not thinking that she's pretty or that he'd love to go out with her now that she's available -- he's thinking how sad he is over her grief. He's a big enough person to realize that Cedric & Cho had a real relationship. I personally think anyone who sees Harry/Cho possibilities is doing Harry's character a disservice. It would just be very "un-Harry" to pursue her after all that. I see Harry & Cho perhaps becoming friends & Cho's character being developed a bit more. But, there's too much tragedy in their past now for them to ever have a relationship. IMO. I don't see Harry's role in Cedric's death isolating him from his peers at Hogwarts either. And, what's there to "clear" about his name? His role was what it was. I think Dumbledore was clear enough about the true facts of what happened. The only person who'll *blame* Harry is himself. <<<Ron Weasley and Neville develop stronger roles in this book. Neville gains more confidence in his magic. Ron starts to become bolder to win the affections of Hermione. Ginny becomes the great women behind the man for Neville and helps him feel his inner strengths. Neville starts to become one of Harry's team. The beginnings of the followers of Harry who must eventually do battle with Voldemort and his band of baddies.>>> I am convinced that Neville will play an increasingly large role in the books to come. And, I *like* the idea of a Neville & Ginny romance. Leaves Harry free to pair up with Hermione eventually. <g> Penny (can't belie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:13:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7066 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 6 Date: 8/17/00 11:13 am (ET) Hi: <<<- Arthur appears not to know that the Diggorys live on the other side of Ottery St Catchpole, which seems a bit odd.>>> Well, the MoM is in London, right? So, he may just know Amos Diggory casually through the workplace. Sometimes you know where your colleagues live & other times you have no idea. I also had the impression that the Diggorys lived further away from Stoats Hill than the Weasleys. So, lack of interaction between the families isn't probably terribly unusual. <<<- Did they know what the Portkey was? If not, how would they know what they were looking for? What would have happened if they hadn't found it by the appointed time?>>> My impression was that Arthur didn't know exactly what they were looking for -- weren't they looking around a bit before Diggory shouted that he'd "found" it? I wonder how they determined that the boot was in fact a portkey. What would have happened if, at the appointed time, they discovered it wasn't the boot they were all touching, but a rubber band lying next to the boot? <g> <<<- If there are only four wizarding families in the area, do they live among Muggle families or on the outskirts of the village [er...see recent discussion].>>> My own guess is that those wizarding families who reside in rural areas or small villages likely live on the "outskirts" of muggle life. They lead rather unobtrusive lives. Wizards who live in London (or other large cities), on the other hand, likely have much more day-to-day contact with muggles & muggle life. Just a guess. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:33:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:33:00 -0400 Subject: Arthur Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7067 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Arthur Weasley Date: 8/17/00 11:33 am (ET) Hi: Arthur stands a good chance of becoming much much more important in the later books. I think we've been led to believe he's the "absent-minded low-level, low-key" type. But, he was a Gryffindor himself, and I suspect his own convictions have held back his career progress. Arawa wrote: <<<Arthur Weasley says in the forest that he agrees with Hermiones views. Maybe this is also why he hasn't had too much promotion at the Ministry - he sypathises too much with the House Elves, which goes against the philosophies of the wizard population in general. Perhaps he will be very important indeed in the books to come as a political force...>>> I think that could definitely happen. Arthur takes some stands in GoF (against the Dursleys (Neil is right -- that was a very touching moment) and agreeing with Hermione about the House Elves). As for Arthur not knowing much about muggles considering the dept of the MoM that he works in -- that is puzzling. I do think that we haven't seen all there is of Arthur Weasley yet. His outer facade is somewhat deceiving I think (the kindly absent-minded father who is really the "8th child" more than the head of the house, the mid-level Ministry drone, etc.). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 15:49:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:49:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween: 1981 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7068 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Halloween: 1981 Date: 8/17/00 11:49 am (ET) Hi: It'll be great when we have a FAQ that summarizes all the theories about what happened that night when the Potters were attacked in Godric's Hollow but until then -- We know the following: 1. Voldemort says that he killed James first & that James was brave & put up a good fight. This squares with what Harry hears when the dementors draw near him -- he can hear his father shouting "Lily, run! Take Harry & go. I'll hold him off." 2. Voldemort says Lily needn't have died -- he only killed her because she was trying to shield Harry. Harry hears/remembers his mother's pleading & Voldemort's high cold laugh. 3. Yet, when Harry's & Voldemort's wands meet & the spells performed by Voldemort's wands start coming out in reverse order: James emerges first, suggesting strongly that he died *after* Lily (and/or that Voldemort's spell to kill him was cast after the one to kill Lily). I had theorized earlier something similar to what someone else said -- James yells at Lily to take Harry & run. Voldemort curses James, but James doesn't die immediately. He's incapacitated though. Voldemort moves on to Lily & Harry. Lily won't stop shielding Harry. Lily is cursed & dies immediately. James dies in the other room. Voldemort tries to attack Harry & the curse rebounds on him. Of course, if the prior incantatem turns on which *spell* was cast most recently, that suggests another twist on the above scenario: After Lily has died, James has thrown off the curse & moves into the room where Voldemort is poised over Harry. He tries to interrupt the process; Voldemort turns & casts the spell that kills James. Danemead wrote: <<<We aren't told whether Sirius lent his motorcycle to Hagrid at Hogwarts or if Sirius was in Wales near the Potter home when Hagrid got there.>>> I think we were told that Sirius was worried about the Potters. He'd checked in with Peter & when he couldn't find him, he became worried. He told Harry that he (Sirius) set out immediately for the Potter home in Godric's Hollow. He must have met up with Hagrid there. Hagrid remembers comforting Sirius also. Penny From Coni_Ann at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:00:00 2000 From: Coni_Ann at yahoo.com (Coni_Ann) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: chapter 6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7069 From: Coni_Ann Subject: re:chapter 6 Date: 8/17/00 12:00 pm (ET) > he'd "found" it? I wonder how they determined > that the boot was in fact a portkey. What would > have happened if, at the appointed time, they > discovered it wasn't the boot they were all > touching, but a rubber band lying next to the > boot? <g> Hello, I haven't posted before, but I couldn't resist this one. I had wondered the same thing briefly but then reasoned that being imbued with magic, an experienced wizard would "feel" that it was a portkey... with perhaps an anti-muggle spell that would make it feel slimy or something to that effect if it was touched by anyone BUT a wizard to prevent some poor muggle from being pulled to the World Cup by mistake. coni_ann at yahoo.com From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Miscellaneous Good Points by Others Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7070 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Miscellaneous Good Points by Others Date: 8/17/00 12:02 pm (ET) Hi: Jim wrote: <<<On the other hand, Sirius notes in the discussion of Crouch (elder) that the mark of the man is how he treats those under his authority, and perhaps Snape's terrible behavior to Harry, Hermione and Ron, as well as his favoritism of Draco, are intended to suggest that Dumbledore has misplaced his trust ...>>> Ooh, I just had to say - great theory! He's also nasty to most all the other students -- don't forget poor Neville. Vicki -- I *love* your insights about Rita Skeeter & where her character might go in the next book. She does have alot of dirt, and I agree, I think Hermione was being a bit naive in thinking Rita will just submit to Hermione's directive that she desist from her journalistic practices. But, Hermione's pretty sharp on the other hand. Perhaps we just don't have all the details on the "Rita/Hermione agreement." <g> But, Rita could well turn out to be the truly evil female character that we've heard about. Penny From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7071 From: jferer Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7062] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/17/00 12:02 pm (ET) BTW, The Lucasian(sp?) Professor of Mathematics (the chair Newton held) is now Stephen Hawking. There well could be an unknown college at Oxford or Cambridge, couldn't there? As for Hermione, she might end up at Oxbridge anyway. Is it unknown for a witch or wizard to get a Muggle education also? Maybe not. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:14:00 -0400 Subject: Student Population & Logic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7072 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Student Population & Logic Date: 8/17/00 12:14 pm (ET) Hi: <<<In the stories we hear mostly about Slytherins and Gryffindors. There is, at best evidence, 8 students in Harry's House and year. If the Sorting Hat simply goes by traits and not numbers then we *could* assume that simply a small amount of students are cunning or brave and therefore in Gry./Sly. Which brings me to the conclusion that there are 400 to 600 people attending Hogwarts.>>> I think you skipped a step (or 2 or 3 or more) in the logical progression of reaching your conclusion. I just don't see how you can jump from 8 Gryffindors in Harry's year to a conclusion that there are 400-600 students at Hogwarts. With logic, one must explain steps 2-4 and not just skip from step 1 to step 5 (in a hypothetical involving 5 logical steps in an argument). Maybe you can prove me wrong, but I think the best evidence is that there are roughly 20 students in any combination of 2 Houses (there are 20 cauldrons in Double Potions with the Slytherins, 20 broomsticks when they have flying lessons with the Slyterins, 20 earmuffs in Double Herbology with the Hufflepuffs). I think those numbers suggest most strongly that there are 7-12 students per year per House. That means the student body ranges from 196 - 336. I don't buy the Quidditch match where there were 200 Slytherin supporters argument (alumni &/or Hogsmeade residents comprise part of the crowd). I also don't buy the carriages argument (they may hold fewer than 4 students each & some of them may be transporting luggage). What did you rely on in determining that there would be a disproportionate number of Hufflepuffs & Ravenclaws in relation to Gryffindors & Slytherins? Like I said, you may be able to persuade me that your argument has merit. But, you can't just leap from Point 1 to Point 5 without explaining the other steps along the way. Well, you can't if you want to persuade *me* anyway. <g> Penny (the logical attorney side coming through) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Student Population & Logic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7073 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Student Population & Logic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7072] Student Population & Logic Date: 8/17/00 12:18 pm (ET) More of beating a dead horse: In some of my computer classes, we had 30 computers. The class size? 3. That's it, just three students, one teacher. Hence, the next thought: what if all 20 of the (items placed here in the sentence) are not used? That could just be a convenient number in general, like on average in schools, 30 is the average class size (maximum class size?). Just more cents... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:22:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Black & Lily Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7074 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Black & Lily Date: 8/17/00 12:22 pm (ET) Hi: Catlady wrote: <<<No, no. no! I was not asserting that Sirius is related to Lily, I was suggesting that any author who gives him green eyes can also make him related to Lily!>>> Okay, but here's what you actually wrote though -- <<<My other thought was green ('jade' would fit the description 'pale' better than 'emerald') and he actually is DISTANTLY related to Lily.>>> An easy misinterpretation to make I think -- Penny From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:38:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7075 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7065] Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 12:38 pm (ET) > I don't see Harry's role in Cedric's death isolating him from his > peers at Hogwarts either. And, what's there to "clear" about his name? > His role was what it was. I think Dumbledore was clear enough about > the true facts of what happened. The only person who'll *blame* Harry > is himself. I could see the Slytherin's asserting that Harry was responsible for Cedric's death and made the Voldemort story up. Malfoy's gang has already shown that they won't let something like the truth get in their way. Some of the other students might buy into this as well, if they believe the Rita Skeeter story that Harry is a very disturbed young wizard. This all might fit into the "choices" that Dumbledore referred to in his year-end talk to the students. From hughmania at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 16:56:00 2000 From: hughmania at yahoo.com (hughmania) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:56:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7076 From: hughmania Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7075] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 12:56 pm (ET) So..........WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SPOILER WARNING!?? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7077 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7076] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 1:02 pm (ET) Forgive me for sounding dopey, but why would spoiler warnings be necessary for a completely hypothetical discussion of what might happen in future books? That's like saying you need spoilers for a discussion of fanfic! It's not like these hypos came from JKR herself, in which case I can see the point of spoilers - but they're only musings of fellow listies. If anyone thinks they need spoilers for such things, they should preface them by HYPOHYPOHYPO lines, so noone inadvertantly thinks they're comments by JKR or the publishers From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:03:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7078 From: sarvalsha Subject: Sports Illustrated Date: 8/17/00 1:03 pm (ET) I haven't read the posts since yesterday so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but Sports Illustrated did a column (this week's issue - 8/21) on what would happen if the NCAA had authority over the Hogwarts Quidditch matches. It's actually well done and pretty funny. I tried to find the text on the SI website but was unsuccessful. If anyone is interested and doesn't have access to the magazine, I can put the text in a message here. Margaret From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7079 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7076] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 1:04 pm (ET) Hi: Hughmania -- There should be no need for Spoiler Warnings for Book 5 predictions. They're just "predictions" or "theories." That's all. And, we discontinued spoiler warnings for Goblet of Fire a few weeks ago. Penny From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:10:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:10:00 -0400 Subject: Black & Lily Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7080 From: jferer Subject: Re: Black & Lily Reply To: [Yahoo! #7074] Black & Lily Date: 8/17/00 1:10 pm (ET) In a wizarding world of small population, there's relatives, distant and otherwise, all over the place. Although magical people marry Muggles, a lot of them meet each other (at Hogwarts) and send their kids there to meet the next generation, and so on. So Sirius and Lily could easily be related. In a Muggle world where Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan are sixth cousins, this isn't strange. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:17:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7081 From: jferer Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7075] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 1:17 pm (ET) You're right. The Slytherins can be counted on the spread stories, they've always done it before; but Draco wasn't hiding anything, he was bragging about it. He might do something different in public, though. OTOH, Snape is influential with the Slytherins, and he knows the truth. Will he step in, not for Harry's sake, but to convince the student body Voldemort is back? Will he be around to do it? From mkplummer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:29:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:29:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7082 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #7065] Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 1:29 pm (ET) He's a big enough person to realize that Cedric & Cho had a real relationship. I personally think anyone who sees Harry/Cho possibilities is doing Harry's character a disservice. It would just be very "un-Harry" to pursue her after all that. I see Harry & Cho perhaps becoming friends & Cho's character being developed a bit more. But, there's too much tragedy in their past now for them to ever have a relationship. I agree 100% I can't see Harry and Cho having a relationship after the death of Cedric. It's just not "right". I do agree that Ron & Hermione may hook up romantically in one of the later books (of course, it won't work because Hermione belongs with Harry but that's another argument). I disagree!! Hermione does NOT belong romantically with either Harry OR Ron!! It is just not right. They are FRIENDS - and friendship is important. That is why, IMHO, JKR had Herminone have a relationship with Krum. Their friendship as a threesome is important and any romance with either of the guys just doesn not sound plausable to me. And, I *like* the idea of a Neville & Ginny romance. Leaves Harry free to pair up with Hermione eventually. <g> Ginny and Neville??? No way! I think *Harry* is going to end up with Ginny!! Yes, I do ;-) Ginny has had a crush on him for ages. I see Ginny growing up into a lovely young woman and Harry gets smitten with her! It's perfect! Remember, you heard it here first! Marion From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 17:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7083 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7082] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 1:52 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Remember, you heard it here first!>>> Actually, no, I didn't hear it from you first. <g> I've heard it hundreds of times from other H/G shippers (people who favor a Harry/Ginny romance). But, there are also plenty of H/H shippers out there (and tons more R/H shippers). All of this will be included in the "Potential Romance Pairings" FAQ that will soon be created for this Club (along with 54 other FAQs!). All viewpoints will be presented. Maybe you'll be persuaded by my H/H viewpoints or maybe by someone else's R/H views or maybe you'll stick to H/G. To each his own. <g> Penny From vderark at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 18:24:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7084 From: vderark Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7059] Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Date: 8/17/00 2:24 pm (ET) in re: hobgoblins, house elves, etc: This is from page 120 of the book _A Field Guide To The Little People_ (by Nancy Arrowsmith, Hill and Wang, 1977): "The brownies are the most important Scottish house elves, the bwciod the most numerous Welsh sprites, and the hobgoblins the most populous English species...Unfortunately, fewer and fewer English home sprites have been seen in recent years, owing to their distrust of crowded towns, electricity, machines and industrialization." Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From vderark at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 18:36:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7085 From: vderark Subject: Re: Chapter 6 Reply To: [Yahoo! #7066] Chapter 6 Date: 8/17/00 2:36 pm (ET) in re: where the Diggory family lives: Cedric and his father had to get up at 2 to make the 5 am Portkey. Typical walking speed is 1-2 miles per hour (I know you can do it quicker, but this walk involves a fairly steep uphill jag and Amos is likely not in the same good shape that his son is in, so it's reasonable.) Let's assume they gave themselves plenty of time, which makes their home between three and six miles from Stoatshead Hill. If we put the hill a mile or so from the Burrow as well, we're talking between four and seven miles distance between the two families, possibly with an entire Muggle village in between. I don't know people who live that far from me unless they're good friends or relatives. And even the ones I know, co-workers for example, I don't know where they live exactly or anything else about their homes. Heck, some of my co-workers live within two miles of me and I have no idea where their houses are. And I live in a society that uses automobiles constantly. If I traveled by Floo powder or Apparation, where I didn't even see the countryside or buildings or anything between stops, I wouldn't have a clue. Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From vderark at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 18:39:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween: 1981 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7086 From: vderark Subject: Re: Halloween: 1981 Reply To: [Yahoo! #7068] Halloween: 1981 Date: 8/17/00 2:39 pm (ET) Danemead wrote: <<<We aren't told whether Sirius lent his motorcycle to Hagrid at Hogwarts or if Sirius was in Wales near the Potter home when Hagrid got there.>>> Did miss something? How do we know that Godric's Hollow is in Wales? Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 18:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:42:00 -0400 Subject: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7087 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7083] Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Date: 8/17/00 2:42 pm (ET) What? <<and tons more R/H shippers).>> Ron and Harry getting together in a relationship?!!! WOW, what an idea! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 18:57:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow -- Wales? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7088 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Godric's Hollow -- Wales? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7086] Re: Halloween: 1981 Date: 8/17/00 2:57 pm (ET) Hi: Steve: it has been theorized on this & on another HP list that Godric's Hollow might well be in southern Wales. Hagrid says that baby Harry fell asleep as they were flying over Bristol toward Surrey. There's also a small village in southern Wales that has a name that's awfully close to Godric's Hollow. Again, all of this is guesswork, but most of the Brits agree that the best guess for the locale of Godric's Hollow is southern Wales. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 19:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:01:00 -0400 Subject: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7089 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7087] Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Date: 8/17/00 3:01 pm (ET) Hi: <<<What? <<and tons more R/H shippers).>> Ron and Harry getting together in a relationship?!!!>>> LOL! Dee!!! Okay, I should have been more precise perhaps -- H/Hr = Harry/Hermione R/Hr = Ron/Hermione H/G = Harry/Ginny H/Ch = Harry/Cho N/G = Neville/Ginny There *are* some H/R shippers out there too (slash fic is what that's called). But, I wasn't referring to that particular potential pairing in my earlier message. Still chuckling - Penny From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 19:05:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7090 From: jferer Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7084] Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Date: 8/17/00 3:05 pm (ET) Speaking of pairings, the ideal would be a character that's part veela and part house-elf; then you'd have a beautiful woman who did whatever you wanted. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 19:05:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7091 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7087] Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Date: 8/17/00 3:05 pm (ET) By: GypsyCaine Date: 8/17/00 2:42 pm What? <<and tons more R/H shippers).>> Ron and Harry getting together in a relationship?!!! Dee, I think Penny meant "Ron and Hermione". But I read a well-written fanfic yesterday about the *other* R/H pairing. So others are considering the possibility. That's why fanfic and the sci-fi genre are both so interesting to me--it's all fictionalized theorizing. Ebony AKA AngieJ (recently converted to H/H from her previous mild R/H and strong "couldn't care less" convictions) From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 19:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: Halloween: 1981 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7092 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Halloween: 1981 Reply To: [Yahoo! #7086] Re: Halloween: 1981 Date: 8/17/00 3:07 pm (ET) >>>Did miss something? How do we know that Godric's Hollow is in Wales?<<<< It's just conjecture, based on the assumption that Hagrid rode the motorcycle in a straight line from Godric's Hollow to the Dursley's house in Surrey. Hagrid tells Dumbledore that Harry fell asleep over Bristol. So drawing a line from Surrey to Bristol and beyond, leads to southern Wales, and then across the sea to Ireland. And if "Godric" comes from Godric Gryffindor, then Gryffin would also indicate a Welsh origin. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 20:42:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7093 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7089] Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Date: 8/17/00 4:42 pm (ET) >>Ron and Harry getting together in a relationship?!!!>> Well, that's one way to get it off the New York Times Childrens Book list onto the Adult list Amusing idea Jim From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 20:44:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7094 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7090] Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Date: 8/17/00 4:44 pm (ET) <<Speaking of pairings, the ideal would be a character that's part veela and part house-elf; then you'd have a beautiful woman who did whatever you wanted. >> ...or a woman with a sharp, cruel-beaked bird head who wears socks in bed. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 20:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: R/H ships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7095 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: R/H ships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7091] Re: Marion's Thoughts on Relationships Date: 8/17/00 4:53 pm (ET) <<Dee, I think Penny meant "Ron and Hermione". But I read a well-written fanfic yesterday about the *other* R/H pairing.>> Tell me more! Which fanfic? Also (to Penny) what is slash fic? Am I right in assuming that it's something regarded as being disrespectful to the source. If so, I'd say the Ron-Harry option is just as valid as any other in the world of fanfic, if far less likely to occur in JKR's own work! Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 20:58:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: R/H ships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7096 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: R/H ships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7095] Re: R/H ships Date: 8/17/00 4:58 pm (ET) <<<<Dee, I think Penny meant "Ron and Hermione". But I read a well-written fanfic yesterday about the *other* R/H pairing.>> Tell me more! Which fanfic? Also (to Penny) what is slash fic? Am I right in assuming that it's something regarded as being disrespectful to the source. If so, I'd say the Ron-Harry option is just as valid as any other in the world of fanfic, if far less likely to occur in JKR's own work! Neil>> Good grief, I started something. Why am I not surprised that Bernice picked up on that? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 20:58:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: MoM, St Andrew's, Hogwarts express Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7097 From: hert0661 Subject: MoM, St Andrew's, Hogwarts express Date: 8/17/00 4:58 pm (ET) "Well, the MoM is in London, right?" I have been giving this some thought and have also had a quick look at the books. I could find no reference to where the MoM is located. The assumption seems to be to put it in the most important Muggle city. Maybe it is also in some rural, out of the way, location. I have always thought it is somewhere in Diagon Alley. "Add another Uni where Merlin College could be - I completely forgot about St Andrews" This is the place where Prince William will be educated. Something that has always confused me is how the others get to the Hogwarts express. Harry has only seen the Weasley's and Hermione getting there. In GoF we see that a trunk can be transported by Floo powder so why is there not a firery has only seen the Weasley#'he MoM is Simon From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 21:00:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Number of students, again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7098 From: spicoli323 Subject: Number of students, again Date: 8/17/00 5:00 pm (ET) I am new here, so I am not sure I am covering old ground again, but as far as the number of students goes, I just assumed while reading the books that there would be 40 students per year, and, therefore, 280 students total. My way of thinking is this: there are five Gryffindor boys in Harry's year, and if we assume there are an equal number of girls, that makes 10 Gryffindors total, and if we assume there are equal numbers in each house, that makes 40 per year. The question is, can we make the assumption that class is equally divided in this way? I think it's at least possible. The administration at Hogwarts might have slots for 20 witches and 20 wizards each year and no more. Probably there would be other young magical children, but the ones with less potential than the ones accepted at Hogwarts might go to some version of a public school (in the American sense). As far as equally dividing the children among houses goes, we already know that the Sorting Hat isn't practicing an exact science. Some children are apparently harder to place than others, and the Hat has as good as said that many of them would do equally well in a different house. I don't think Harry is unique in this sense. So each child isn't an exact perfect match for his house--there is no "perfect" Gryffindor. I think the hat might just take the 5 most Gryffindor-like boys in a year and put them in Gryffindor, take the 5 most Slytherin-like girls and put them in Slytherin, etc. This is a plausible way to account for the students being equally divided by house and gender. Wow, that was a longer post than I planned. I need a drink. Bye for now, Steve From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 21:00:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Slash Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7099 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Slash Reply To: [Yahoo! #7095] Re: R/H ships Date: 8/17/00 5:00 pm (ET) A slash fic is one describing a homosexual pairing, either gay or lesbian. It comes about, I am told, from the way the two names were written with a slash in between them, e.g. Ron/Harry. ~Blaise. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 21:06:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Where is the Ministry? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7100 From: jferer Subject: Where is the Ministry? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7097] MoM, St Andrew's, Hogwarts express Date: 8/17/00 5:06 pm (ET) I believe that in Philosopher's Stone Dumbledore was called to London to see the Ministry as a ruse to get him out of the way. Also, in PoA, Hagrid had to go to London for Buckbeak's trial at the Committee for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures. This agency is presumably at the Ministry of Magic, which I understand is next to the Ministry of Silly Walks. An interesting and unsolvable discussion would be "The Limits of Magic". Is Apparition of unlimited range? If it is, why did Sirius have to travel so much to get from his hiding place back to Harry in GoF? What seems intuitive is that some wizards can go further than others, depending on their talent, skill, and experience. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 21:34:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny pairing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7101 From: mkplummer Subject: Harry/Ginny pairing Date: 8/17/00 5:34 pm (ET) I have been re-thinking my preference for a Harry/Ginny relationship. On one hand it would be great for Harry, to marry into the only family he has ever known, and the people who really care about him. But Ginny isn't a very interesting figure, is she? What I love about Cho was that she and Harry have so much in common. They are both excellent Qudditch seekers, and common interests do make for an exciting relationship. It's too bad this possibility no longer exists. Ginny is no where near as interesting, and even if she turns out to be a red-haired bomb shell, she and Harry have little in common. Her character has not really been fleshed out at all. I still think a Harry/Hermione rel not a very strong possibility, and a Ron/Hermione rel totally unrealistic (IMHO) ;-) Well, maybe Harry will meet someone special in one of the future novels. Marion From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:01:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Student Population & Logic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7102 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Student Population & Logic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7072] Student Population & Logic Date: 8/17/00 6:01 pm (ET) Ok, I admit, my predictions were highly speculative w/ little or no evidence to support them. Yesterday was a long day and I was just rambling off Ideas...Forgive me. I still however think that most people would not self describe themselves as "Brave", and MAYBE Gryffindor is a smaller house, but again this is purely speculative. Scott From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:07:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:07:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts, a History. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7103 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Hogwarts, a History. Date: 8/17/00 6:07 pm (ET) Is anyone else itching to get there hands on this book? Hermione mentions it SO often, and just think of what questions we could clear up!!! One question I have about Hogwarts is whether (1) the castle was built by early wizards, and the founders decided it would be a good school. (2) The founders built is just for Hogwarts. or (3) It was built by Muggles, abandoned and later used for Wizarding purposes. Hmmm Scott From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:20:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7104 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated Reply To: [Yahoo! #7078] Sports Illustrated Date: 8/17/00 6:20 pm (ET) Hi Margaret. I'd love to see the article, if it isn't too much trouble to type in... >>>>I haven't read the posts since yesterday so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but Sports Illustrated did a column (this week's issue - 8/21) on what would happen if the NCAA had authority over the Hogwarts Quidditch matches. It's actually well done and pretty funny. I tried to find the text on the SI website but was unsuccessful. If anyone is interested and doesn't have access to the magazine, I can put the text in a message here. Margaret <<<<<< From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:25:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Randy's Book 5 Predictions spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7105 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #7079] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 6:25 pm (ET) The content of book 5 predictions mentions subject matter that is presented in book 4. The spoiler was really for people not finished with book 4 yet. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:29:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts, a History. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7106 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Hogwarts, a History. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7103] Hogwarts, a History. Date: 8/17/00 6:29 pm (ET) In COS, Proffesor Binns states that it was built by Gryffindor, Slytherin, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw, who wanted to train wizards far away from muggles (this was presumably in the middle ages, when magic practitioners were likely to be tortured or killed). From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:31:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:31:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7107 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7090] Re: Veela (Book 4) and house elves.... Date: 8/17/00 6:31 pm (ET) Trouble is that she would probably turn you into a newt if you made her mad! Then you could watch all day, but not be able to do anything about it. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:36:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: Number of students, again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7108 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Number of students, again Reply To: [Yahoo! #7098] Number of students, again Date: 8/17/00 6:36 pm (ET) >>but as far as the number of students goes, I just assumed while reading the books that there would be 40 students per year, and, therefore, 280 students total.<< Let's not forget about the attrition problem. What with potions mixed improperly leading to explosions. Various misshaps in Hagrid's classes. A few students seeing a basilisk or two. They probably lose a few students when they tell their parents what happened at school last semester! From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:40:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Cho - Harry/Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7109 From: jferer Subject: Harry/Cho - Harry/Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #7101] Harry/Ginny pairing Date: 8/17/00 6:40 pm (ET) I'm not convinced that Harry and Cho are impossible. Cho is grieving for Cedric now, but she and Cedric weren't far along in their relationship,and Cho was almost apologetic when Harry finally did ask her to the ball. She was conflicted about who she wanted to go with. On top of that, Cho is *fifteen years old*. She's resilient, and should be. Is her life over now she lost a guy she dated once we know of? Cedric wouldn't want that. OTOH, Harry might bring back memories she doesn't want. That's the factor that might keep them apart. I'd still like to see Harry/Ginny. He would be with a woman from a loving family (so she'll probably be loving too) that loves him. He'll need that with what he's going to go through. Unfortunately for Harry, he's likely to end up as "the man alone". He might fear he will bring death and suffering on those around him. He might fear to have something to lose. I hope I am wrong. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:43:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:43:00 -0400 Subject: Student Population & Logic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7110 From: jferer Subject: Re: Student Population & Logic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7102] Re: Student Population & Logic Date: 8/17/00 6:43 pm (ET) I found the idea that Gryffindor and Slytherin were smaller than Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff plausible for one reason: There's a lot more people who do the work than get the glory. (Or the notoriety, for the Slytherins). We agree there isn't one shred of evidence for it. If we ever get into their Common Rooms, we might see. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:46:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Subject: Number of students, again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7111 From: jferer Subject: Re: Number of students, again Reply To: [Yahoo! #7108] Re: Number of students, again Date: 8/17/00 6:46 pm (ET) There's no reason to think the houses are uniform in number. The Sorting Hat places people where they belong, and the number of entering students varies. JKR said in an interview that a magical quill writes down the name of each magical child born, and then Professor McGonagall checks it each year and send out letters to the ones turning eleven. From clairy16 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:47:00 2000 From: clairy16 at yahoo.com (clairy16) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's glasses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7112 From: clairy16 Subject: Re: Harry's glasses Reply To: [Yahoo! #7040] Harry's glasses Date: 8/17/00 6:47 pm (ET) Hello, i'm new here and even though i'm sixteen i enjoy these conversations about harry potter much more than those of the other clubs i am in. to reply to this message, to larry, i know that the covers are very inaccurate. They are beautiful, yes, but they do not show how more adult the book is...they continue to show harry in damaged glasses...i think it is because the illustrator doesn't really read the books and doesn't understand how serious it is becoming. Also, harry still looks in the pictures like he's nine years old when he was going on fifteen by the end of book four. I know that jkr doesn't even know the illustrator of the american books personally. i would be much happier if the pictures were more life like ... p.s.: Is it not ironic that the fourth book sports a large picture with harry wearing his biggest smile of all...yet,the book is the most tragic and the finale of the book has the least of laughing matters. - Claire From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:52:00 -0400 Subject: Those Darn Student #s Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7113 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Those Darn Student #s Again Date: 8/17/00 6:52 pm (ET) Hi: One of us should just call JKR & put an end to this debate (and/or I should quit jumping in & stirring things up again!). Nick, you wanna pull strings & call her? <g> Steve wrote: <<<My way of thinking is this: there are five Gryffindor boys in Harry's year, and if we assume there are an equal number of girls, that makes 10 Gryffindors total, and if we assume there are equal numbers in each house, that makes 40 per year. The question is, can we make the assumption that class is equally divided in this way?>>> The flaw in your theory is that there are only 3 Gryffindor girls in Harry's year: Hermione, Lavender & Parvarti. That's why I think there are imprecise numbers of students sorted into the various Houses each year. I suspect based on the 20 broomsticks, 20 cauldrons, 20 pairs of earmuffs, that in general, there are a total of 20 students in any one year in any combo of 2 Houses. But, it's not equal. There may be 12 Gryffindors one year and 7 Gryffindors the next year. I stand by a range of 7-12 students in any one House in any given year. I really should just drop this. Sorry. At least I'm putting subject headings in though - <g> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 22:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:58:00 -0400 Subject: Cho Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7114 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Cho Date: 8/17/00 6:58 pm (ET) Hi: Me again. Jim makes some good points about Cho's life not being over & her resilience. My problem with the H/Cho pairing in the future is not with how Cho might feel about it now that Cedric died: I don't think *Harry* will want it or pursue it. Besides, JKR said they'd all date or fall for the wrong person in the 4th book -- so Cho, Fleur & Krum were all the *wrong* ones for our Trio. Penny From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:10:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:10:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7115 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7098] Number of students, again Date: 8/17/00 7:10 pm (ET) > I think the hat might just take the 5 most > Gryffindor-like boys in a year and put them in > Gryffindor, take the 5 most Slytherin-like > girls and put them in Slytherin, etc. This > is a plausible way to account for the students > being equally divided by house and gender. I have only one arguement against that, and that's the fact that they're "scanned" and sorted one at a time. Someone with the last name of Anderson, for example, may have qualifications for two, three or all four houses, but the hat would have no way of knowing how he compares to his classmates. Is he one of the most Gryffindorish? Ravenclawish? Someone with the last name of Young, on the other hand, may have strong leanings toward Gryffindor. But what if, by his turn, Gryffindor has long since been filled? Will he just end up wherever there is space, even if it's Slytherin? Now, if the hat scanned all of the new students' heads, and began the Sorting AFTER they've all been scanned (i.e, "Now that I've seen all your heads, the Gryffindors are..."), I'd find that argument more plausible. Since reading GOF, I've often wondered exactly how the founders sorted students in the days before the Sorting Hat. Did they pick them like picking teams? Did the four of them lay hands on the students, and read their minds, probably fighting over some? In either case, that sounds much more disconcerting than being sorted by the hat. Also, the hat did not sort Harry into Slytherin, because he was thinking (privately, he thought), "Not Slytherin." The hat took that as asking not to be in Slytherin, and put him in Gryffindor. Would he have been so lucky if the founders had been alive? If he'd attended at that time, would he have had the nerve to tell Salazar Slytherin, to his face, "I don't want to be in your House."? The Harry at the end of GOF would, but what about that 11-year-old, nervous, new-to-wizarding Harry at the beginning of SS/PS? Would Godric Gryffindor have stepped in and claimed Harry for his House, or would he have ended up in Slytherin's? My two Galleons, Melanie From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:11:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:11:00 -0400 Subject: Cho Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7116 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Cho Reply To: [Yahoo! #7114] Cho Date: 8/17/00 7:11 pm (ET) "Besides, JKR said they'd all date or fall for the wrong person in the 4th book" This could be viewed that Cho was the wrong person for Harry in book 4. There could be several reasons for someone being the wrong person and in this case it could be that Harry fell for someone who was attached. This does not mean that she will always be wrong for him. "I don't think *Harry* will want it or pursue it." His view may change with time, but I am not sure. Out of all the female characters we have met (bar my odd theory on Harry and Hedwig) Cho is the one that I think he would be most suited to. Of course a lot of this is based on the fact that I am more keen on Ron / Hermione getting together and am not a great fan of Ginny! Simon From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:23:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:23:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7117 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7115] Equality in sorting Date: 8/17/00 7:23 pm (ET) Well, yes, I had thought of that as a possible argument against my theory, but who knows if the Hat might have some kind of precognitive ability that allows it to judge each new student against his classmates before it gets to those classmates? Still, I guess I have to wtihdraw my suggestion; there are just too many arguments against there being an even distribution of students and not enough of a reason to keep believing there is. I think I have to agree with the range of 7-12 per house, per year. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:33:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:33:00 -0400 Subject: Where's the brain? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7118 From: spicoli323 Subject: Where's the brain? Date: 8/17/00 7:33 pm (ET) At the end of CoS, Mrs. Weasley told Ginny that she should have been suspicious of Tom Riddle's diary from the beginning. "What have I always told you? Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain?" Um, what about all the portraits in Hogwarts? I don't suppose they have any place to "keep" a brain, but they are certainly not evil. Same thing with the Marauder's Map--while I don't think the map is quite sentient, it comes pretty close to having a mind of its own, but again, no actual brain. Snape seems sure that it must be an object of powerful Dark Magic, at least until he discovers who created it. Then again, he might have been exaggerating. Still, how can these examples be explained against what Mrs. Weasley said? Speaking of the Marauder's Map, was I just not reading carefully enough, or did it just mysteriously drop out the story in GoF? Last I remember hearing of it, Harry gave it to Moody/Crouch, but I don't believe it was found when they searched Moody's trunk, and I don't think anything was said about what might have happened to it. From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:37:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:37:00 -0400 Subject: Welcome Claire. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7119 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Welcome Claire. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7112] Re: Harry's glasses Date: 8/17/00 7:37 pm (ET) Hi, and welcome to Harry Potter for Grownups. I am sixteen as well, but I continue to enjoy this group. I'm sure that everyone will be glad to have you. Also if you could please do not type all in lower case characters, as it can be hard to read. Thanks, and again, Welcome!! Scott From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 23:49:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7120 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7115] Equality in sorting Date: 8/17/00 7:49 pm (ET) I have often wondered this too. It seems that if would have caused a lot more problems, and maybe even fights among the founders. Also the Sorting hat says in GoF- "While alive they did divide their Favorites from the Throng, But how to pick the worthy ones when they were dead and gone. Twas Gryffindor who found the way, He whipped me off his head. The founders put some brains in me..." So we know that the sorting hat was the hat of Godric Gryffindor... I really love the sorting hat, but where would he put me? I really wonder if I wouldn't be in Slytherin, I really enjoy a position of authority, and yet I would WANT to be in Ravenclaw... Scott From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:33:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:33:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's Map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7121 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Marauder's Map Reply To: [Yahoo! #7118] Where's the brain? Date: 8/17/00 8:33 pm (ET) <EOM> From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:33:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:33:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford...(A bit off topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7122 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Oxford...(A bit off topic) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7063] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/17/00 8:33 pm (ET) <<<Oh, don't I wish I were going to Merlin College Oxford! But it wasn't on the application form ... perhaps you have to be a witch to see it. Guess I'm a Muggle.>>> That would be nice, wouldn't it! As an American student who is startig to look at Universities, I was wondering how selective Oxford is? I'm very studious (not to mention a complete Anglophile) and I have been considering Oxford as a choice for higher education. What could you say for it? I wish that I COULD be in Hermione's college (ok, I'm a bit taken with her). I should be so lucky. Scott From mkplummer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:38:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:38:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Cho - Harry/Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7123 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Harry/Cho - Harry/Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #7109] Harry/Cho - Harry/Ginny Date: 8/17/00 8:38 pm (ET) I'd still like to see Harry/Ginny. He would be with a woman from a loving family (so she'll probably be loving too) that loves him. He'll need that with what he's going to go through. YES! I'm firmly back in the Ginny/Harry camp now. My thoughts exactly. She would be the right woman for him - once they have both grown up a bit of course. Marion From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:39:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:39:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's Map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7124 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Marauder's Map Reply To: [Yahoo! #7121] Re: Marauder's Map Date: 8/17/00 8:39 pm (ET) Sorry about the previous message. Got a little carried away. The Marauder's Map is AWOL. At least no one with any sanity left knows where it is at the end of GOF. But the thing that struck me is the number of people who know about it keeps increasing. Obviously Lupin, Black, and Pettigrew know about it since they wrote it. Filch confiscated it but doesn't know what it is and doesn't seem to recognize it when Harry drops it on the staircase. The twins know and the Trio. Snape knows. Now Dumbledore knows of its existence although he hasn't actually seen it. Hope it turns up again. Such a handy thing for Harry to have, even if the whole world now seems to know it exists. Margaret From mkplummer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:45:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:45:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts, a History. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7125 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Hogwarts, a History. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7106] Re: Hogwarts, a History. Date: 8/17/00 8:45 pm (ET) I just had a *great* idea! After JKR finishes the last three HP novels, she should then write another book - "Hogwarts, A History"! I want to read this book too! Marion From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's Map Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7126 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Marauder's Map Reply To: [Yahoo! #7124] Re: Marauder's Map Date: 8/17/00 8:53 pm (ET) >>>Hope it turns up again. Such a handy thing for Harry to have Margaret <<<< Let's hope that Dumbledore thoroughly searched Crouch/Moody's clothes and possessions before Fudge and the Dementors were alone with him in the office. I'd hate to see the Marauder's map fall into the hands of the other side. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 00:54:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:54:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated (text) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7127 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated (text) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7104] Re: Sports Illustrated Date: 8/17/00 8:54 pm (ET) Here is the text of the SI column. What If? What if Quidditch, the enchanted sport of wizards and witches featured in the Harry Potter books, were regulated by the NCAA? (On NCAA letterhead) TO: Albus Dumbledore, Headmaster, Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry FROM: Committee on Infractions, National Collegiate Athletic Association RE: Possible violations of NCAA regulations by student-athlete Harry Potter and others Sir: We have come into possession of several documents detailing potentially serious rules infractions within your Quidditch program. I. Impermissible Recruiting Activity; Use of Ineligible Student-Athlete Student-athlete Harry Potter was recruited in his first year at Hogwarts, in direct violation of the NCAA's ban on Quidditch freshman eligibility. One professor admits going to you to 'see if we can't bend the first-year rule. Heaven knows we need a better team than last year.' II. Improper Benefits Student-athlete Draco Malfoy allegedly was placed on the Quidditch squad only after his father, a Hogwarts booster, gave a 'generous gift' of new, state-of-the-art broomsticks to a number of student-athletes. Malfoy 'had to buy (his) way in,' says a fellow student. As you know, alumni contributions and benefits to student-athletes are severly restricted by NCAA rules. III. Unethical Behavior There are numerous reports of equipment tampering (e.g., enchanted balls), substance abuse (bylaw 26.3.2 strictly forbids use of performance-enhancing magicals spells) and practice sessions that extend beyond the NCAA's prescribed limits. IV. Lack of Institutional Control One of your faculty members, Professor Snape, explains the reigning attitude at Howararts when he describes the star status afforded a former Quidditch standout: 'A small amount of talent on the Quidditch field made him think he was a cut above the rest of us. . . Rules were for lesser mortals, not Quidditch Cup winners.' Needless to say we are concerned about these transgressions and would appreciate a response as soon as possible--by conventional mail, please (not by owl carrier). From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 01:09:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400 Subject: Random responses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7128 From: alicia5270 Subject: Random responses Date: 8/17/00 9:09 pm (ET) Aloha to all, just a few random responses to topics that have been flying in all directions these days. --Student Pop.: Perhaps there are *more* than three Gryffindor girls going into their fifth year; J.K. doesn't always blatantly state minor facts like this. Case in point: no one knew Padma's name until Book 4. --Sorting Hat: Any situation that involvles a hat that's got more brains in it than are in the heads that it sits upon seems a bit fishy to me. I'm sure that there's more to that hat than what we know..... --Personal Sorting: The hat would scream "SLYTHERIN!" as soon as it touched my static frizz. I'm ambitious and cunning, and I think I'm developing a bizarre infatuation with Draco Malfoy..... well, perhaps this is just wishful thinking, as my study habits more or less resemble Hermione's. --Romantic Relationships: I'm a staunch supporter of H/H, and have no fear of voicing this view (in live surround sound, no less) to everyone on ff.n. I think they're sick of it by now. :) "Oh, God, another story by Alicia..... wonder what farfetched argument she's got in *this* one....." I've also been converted to possibly the most bizarre pairing in all of HP: Draco/Ginny. There is absolutely no evidence to support this pairing, they don't even have any *scenes* together, but because I'm such a rabid H/H fan, my tendency to support "Romeo and Juliet"-type relationships (which would traditionally point towards Draco/Hermione) leans toward this strange pairing that will definitely *not* be seen outside the boundaries of fanfic. --Anglophilisism: I, too, have a newfound love of all things British. Napster's been working doubletime downloading the Beatles for me. I'd kill to attend Edinburgh University, but I can't even afford airfare. Here's hoping that I manage to come in first in my class, earning me free tution at the University of Massachusetts.... all right, i've just gone majorly OT. Ignore that. -- Alicia/Sue "Short Girl, BIG Mouth" Spinnet P.S.: Please ignore all SPGs that may appear in the context of this message-- I've just finished writing my archaic summer reading essays, and as the total number of pages surpasses 20, my penchant for nit-picking SPGs has been overused. So has my vocabulary..... From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 01:18:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated (text) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7129 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated (text) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7127] Re: Sports Illustrated (text) Date: 8/17/00 9:18 pm (ET) I Love It!!!! Somebody at SI is a Harry Potter Freak! From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 01:33:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7130 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Relationships Date: 8/17/00 9:33 pm (ET) Hi all. I have been thinking of what everyone has been saying about H/H, H/C, H/G, R/H. When I first started reading the books, even the first one I was firmly in the Ron and Hermione camp. Theirs seemed to me the kind of relationship that I just love to watch in the old black and white movies, like Tracey and Hepburn. They make me laugh and I just love to see that in a couple. But the more I read and reread I have to say I am rooting more for Harry and Hermione now. Looking at them now at their age, R/H would be a good couple. But you have to look at the long run. As much as I love Ron, he seems to me as the type who will never completly grow up. Yes he has his serious side, but he will always be a kid at heart. And though this would be good for Hermione in some respects I think in the long run it would drive her crazy. Harry can keep her nose out of a book, and I think he would and could sit down and have a serious talk with her. He also has his fun side so there would be the fun that you need to have as a couple. I don't know if any of this will happen or if Rowling will ever pair any of them. Some one could be right, maybe they should always be "friends" only. But I know from experience that doesn't happend often. The hubby was a great friend for two years before we started dating. He is still my best friend as well as everything else I could hope for. Only hope the trio ends up with the same kind of thing. Later Shelly From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:12:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating range, was Where's the MoM Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7131 From: brooksindy Subject: Re:Apparating range, was Where's the MoM Reply To: [Yahoo! #7100] Where is the Ministry? Date: 8/17/00 10:12 pm (ET) >Is Apparition of >unlimited range? If it is, why did Sirius have to >travel so much to get from his hiding place >back to Harry in GoF? Becuase he kept Buckbeak with him, probably because he believed that Bb would be useful at some point, and travelled by means of *him* - because he couldn;t take Buckbeak apparating ("Between") with him, Buckbeak being a hippogriff and not a Pernese dragon. ("I hate little fire lizards and my dragon hates them too" - Julia Ecklar). From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:18:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7132 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7130] Relationships Date: 8/17/00 10:18 pm (ET) I suppose this probably goes in a related category to the slash, but I think you all are overlooking annother possibility - a non-monogamous relationship. What if the ultimate relationship is Harry, Hermione AND Ron? For those who prefer Balance, add Ginny too, for a *four-way* relationship. I'm not serious of course, but sometimes you need to throw away ALL assumptions and see what possibilities then open up. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:20:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating range, was Where's the Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7133 From: jferer Subject: Re: Re:Apparating range, was Where's the Reply To: [Yahoo! #7131] Re:Apparating range, was Where's the MoM Date: 8/17/00 10:20 pm (ET) Touche. You are right. I read the first four Pern books also, before they became Silhouette Desire in Space. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:36:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: Snape/Draco (was Family Ties Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7134 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Snape/Draco (was Family Ties Reply To: [Yahoo! #7044] Re: Family Ties......hmmmm.............. Date: 8/17/00 10:36 pm (ET) > why i think Snape favours Malfoy so much is because he probably went to Hogwarts with Lucius. I often wonder whether Lucius went to Hogwarts at the same time as Snape and the Marauders, or did he go earlier, at the same time as Arthur and Molly? We've been told that the hostility between Harry and Draco resembles that between James and Snape, which might resemble that between Arthur and Lucius .... The hostility between Arthur and Lucius led them into a fist fight in the bookstore, after which (CoS spoiler!!!!) s p o i l e r Lucius sneaked the Riddle book into Ginny's Transfiguration textbook. I believe that Lucius had intended to stick the Riddle book into any Hogwarts textbook that was handy, maybe a not-yet-sold one on the shelf, and trust it to find its own way into the hands of an appropriate student once it had gotten into Hogwarts. But, after the fight, he was feeling particularly hostile toward Arthur, and his eye falling upon Arthur's daughter gave him to idea to use her, by way of a revenge on Arthur. > I am assuming they were friends, so of course Snape would be nice to Lucius' son. Have you read GoF yet? If you have, please explain why Snape and Lucius would STILL be friends now even if they used to be friends. If Snape IS still friends with Lucius now, then he is likely to betray Dumbledore. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:38:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7135 From: jferer Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7117] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/17/00 10:38 pm (ET) Seems to me we're trying very hard to keep that number down. There's no reason to think the Hat does anything but put people where they ought to go without regard for anything else. The Hat has told us so. Given that, the numbers in the houses are up in the air depending on the birth rate and the personalities who show up with Hagrid at the front door. I respect the arguments Penny and others have put forth, but 300 is really, really small. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:39:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts estimate -different approach Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7136 From: brooksindy Subject: Hogwarts estimate -different approach Date: 8/17/00 10:39 pm (ET) Since a few days ago there was posted a mention of using Myers-Briggs type indicators as Sorting methodology, and someone posted a set of messages which assigned Personality Types to houses, and Ravenclawlady has a minimal MBTI quiz for her Sorting Hat for exactly that purpose generated from that result, (http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/sorting.html) link, it occurs to me that if we take the final MBTII vs House list, we ought to be able to make some kind of estimate. This is because there are good statistics that show the Personality Type proportions in the general population. If we assume that the same statistics apply to the wizard population, and use the MBTI on something we have a pretty good number for (8 in Harry's Gryffidor year, which will do unless we find some previously anonymous girls therein) we ought to be able to make an extrapolation on the number in other houses. It will be just as rough and ready -and scientific - as any other estimate method we've tried. By the way, I don't necessarily think the number of brooms, cauldrons, etc. are reliable. If the house elves are also the lab technicians, who set up the lab.classroom before the students arrive, they probably pride themselves on providing the exact number of items needed for that day's particular class. Thus that number may not be generic at all, but specific. Speaking of brooms - did anybody notice that flying lessons never seem to be mentioned again once Harry gets picked for the Quidditch team? -Brooks, who is either INTP or INFP, depending what day it is. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:44:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts estimate -different approac Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7137 From: jferer Subject: Re: Hogwarts estimate -different approac Reply To: [Yahoo! #7136] Hogwarts estimate -different approach Date: 8/17/00 10:44 pm (ET) I think this is a good approach to determine the proportions among the houses. I am convinced we can't assume that other years in Gryffindor are necessarily the same number as Harry's year, so your analysis must be a little rough. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:51:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi & werewolves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7138 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Animagi & werewolves Reply To: [Yahoo! #7053] Re: Animagi & werewolves Date: 8/17/00 10:51 pm (ET) > Are there punishments for being a werewolf? For example, if a werewolf were to bite someone and was caught, what would happen to the werewolf then? Is it legal to kill a werewolf during the full moon? Are there restrictions on what a werewolf can and cannot do? Would the Committee for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures execute a werewolf? Someone already mentioned the (1737 IIRC) Werewolf Code of Conduct, which no doubt specifies all the restrictions on what werewolves are allowed to do (clearly, biting humans is right out!) and what the punishment is for violating the restrictions. With the general prejudice against werewolves that we have seen, I imagine that the penalty for any, even the smallest, transgression would be death or Azkaban. Wondering whether it would be death or it would be Azkaban doesn't get me any further than you already were. Does British Isles wizarding law have capital punishment for some kind of wizarding criminal or just Azkaban? If yes, we can wonder if the criminal werewolf would be executed by the disposer of Dangerous Creatures or the executioner of humans. Killing a werewolf during the Full Moon surely would be viewed as legitimate self-defense, and from what Lupin said about the danger to any human encountered by the werewolf minus Wolfsbane Potion, it WOULD BE self-defense. More interesting question: is it legal to kill a werewolf the other 28 days of the month? Tom Riddle made some remark about Hagrid raising a litter of werewolf pups under his bed, and it may have been you who pointed out that human children who turn into wolves one night a month cannot be raised under a bed. Perhaps there is a magical creature which is wolf-like full-time but its bite turns a human into a werewolf, and the wizard folk, including their lawmakers, keep getting confused between the magical creatures and the infected humans, leading them to make laws that treat the infected humans as if they were rabid coyotes or plague-carrying rats. Lockhart claimed to have cured a werewolf with the Homorphus Charm. As many of Lockhart's boasts were based on other people's actual deeds, do you think there actually IS a Homorphus Charm? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 02:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: shippiness (was: Randy's Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7139 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: shippiness (was: Randy's Book 5 Reply To: [Yahoo! #7082] Re: Randy's Book 5 Predictions Date: 8/17/00 10:56 pm (ET) > I disagree!! Hermione does NOT belong romantically with either Harry OR Ron!! It is just not right. They are FRIENDS - and friendship is important. My friends Lee and Barry Gold are having their 31st wedding anniversary this weekend. Lee often advises people (as does another friend, Kay, whom IIRC has only been married to the same man for 20 years) that FRIENDSHIP IS IMPORTANT, therefore don't ever marry anyone unless you are friends first. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:05:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: Dragons.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7140 From: brooksindy Subject: Dragons.... Date: 8/17/00 11:05 pm (ET) I had another thought. The trend in fantasy for many years has been to make dragons sentient, able to talk, argue with, mislead, deceive, or if honorable, neotiate with, teach, etc. humans. In Rowling they are apparenlty just 'dumb animals'. Once again we see JKR going against a fantasy stock item - I suggest because her human villain is quite fierce enough, thank you! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:05:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: Relationships and Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7141 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Relationships and Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7132] Re: Relationships Date: 8/17/00 11:05 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/17/00 10:18 pm <<<<I suppose this probably goes in a related category to the slash, but I think you all are overlooking another possibility - a non-monogamous relationship.>>>> FFnet's way ahead of you. There are several fics out there based on this premise, none of which are very well written. Neil, the slash fic I'm referring to is "Feelings Within" by Katt Monroe. I said earlier that it was well written; allow me to change my mind and say that it was tastefully done. Caveat--please be forgiving of the formatting. ;) <<<<I'm not serious of course, but sometimes you need to throw away ALL assumptions and see what possibilities then open up.>>>>>> Again, some of the best theorists in HPdom are fanfic writers IMO. It's one thing to write a lengthy post about your latest future book theories (yes, I'm guilty as charged). It's quite another to take the characters, keep them *in* character, and have them act out your pet theory. A little like the old saying about actions vs. words. HP fanfic is little more than a year old, and already the authors have established their own sets of conventions and common interpretations of canon. For instance, if Cho Chang were a real person, she could sue almost every single fanfic writer for slander and win her case hands down. The Draco of a thousand fics is like a post-Emerald City Tin Man--he actually has a heart and helps Harry fight Voldemort. It's quite interesting to comb through the archives over there and see all of the commonalities. As far as ships are concerned, H/H predominates volume-wise, with H/Mary Sue and D/H following close behind. I guess the Ron/Herm people are pretty sure they'll see that pairing in the books, so they're not bothering to write about it as much. And again--Cho Chang seriously needs to get a good lawyer. ;) BTW, Blaise, Alicia Spinnet, and Penny&Carole are all HP4GU members who have archived very entertaining stories @ FFnet. JMO--good writing in the slush pile is rare, so when I find it, I trumpet it far and wide to anyone who might be interested. Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:09:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:09:00 -0400 Subject: Dragons.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7142 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Dragons.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7140] Dragons.... Date: 8/17/00 11:09 pm (ET) <<<<<By: brooksindy <<<<<Date: 8/17/00 11:05 pm <<<<<I had another thought. The trend in fantasy for many years has been to make dragons sentient, able to talk, argue with, mislead, deceive, or if honorable, neotiate with, teach, etc. humans. <<<<<In Rowling they are apparenlty just 'dumb animals'.>>>>> I idly wondered about this, too. I do think that much has been done to establish snakes as semi-sentient (i.e. Nagini). I wonder if the theoretical link between snakes and dragons will ever be touched upon. Can dragons understand Parseltongue? Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:13:00 -0400 Subject: Marauder's Map(wasWhere's the brain? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7143 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Marauder's Map(wasWhere's the brain? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7118] Where's the brain? Date: 8/17/00 11:13 pm (ET) > Snape seems sure that it must be an object of powerful Dark Magic, at least until he discovers who created it. Then again, he might have been exaggerating. Still, how can these examples be explained against what Mrs. Weasley said? 1) I don't think Snape ever really believed that the Map was an object of powerful Dark Magic, and he didn't summon Lupin because of Lupin being the DADA teacher. I think that Snape recognized that he had heard some or all of the nicknames Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs before, maybe remembered that he had heard them in connection with the Marauders, and recognized that the insults about his big nose and greasy hair were personal to him and had been said to him by the Marauders in times past. And he summoned Lupin in hope that he could trick Lupin into confessing that he had made the map and he had given it to Harry, which Snape could then tell Dumbledore as proof that Lupin was trying to lure Harry into danger. I then wonder how much of Snape's motivation was mere hatred of Lupin and how much was sincere belief that Lupin was a danger to Harry? Snape hates Harry but tries to protect him (from death, not from unpleasantness!): is it because of Harry's destined role against V? 2)Not the paintings themselves, but the people in the paintings have minds of their own (apparently rather feeble minds!), but we can see where they keep their painted brains: right in their painted heads. The Sorting Hat has (as much evidence of) a mind of its own (as the book had) and no visible brain, but great wizards like Dumbledore and his predecessors vouch for it, and they outrank Mr Weasley. The Map also seems to have a mind of its own and no brain and Harry thought of Mr. Weasley's advices when the twins gave him the map, but decided to use it anyway. The twins are famous rule-breakers and that wouldn't have been the first time they disobeyed their parents. I like to believe that they are great enough wizards that they magically figured out (reverse engineered) what the Map did and how to operate it. If so, they can also have found out whether it was evil. Mr. Weasley's advice was a guideline for his young children, not a law of nature. Muggles tell their young children never to talk to strangers, but it is not a law of nature that all strangers are evil. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:25:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: PoU Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7144 From: poohbr_65 Subject: PoU Date: 8/17/00 11:25 pm (ET) Well I just finished PoU, well what there was of it. When can we expect the rest of the story? I must say, Penny and Carole, you guys have done one heck of a job, it just kept me enthralled. And as far as what everyone was saying about their "crushes" I just absulutely fell in love with Harry in this story. Not that I haven't liked him through all the books, but we've only seen him as a kid. Granted a somewhat mature one, but I do happen to like this adult version. Let us know in the group when you plan to have the rest of it out. Can't wait!!! Shelly From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 03:39:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: PoU & Fanfic in General Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7145 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: PoU & Fanfic in General Date: 8/17/00 11:39 pm (ET) Hi: Shelly -- I'm thrilled that you loved PoU. But, Carole & I are not the authors. As much as I (we) would like to take credit for that fantastic fanfic, we cannot. Lori Summers is the author, and it is (IMO) the best HP fanfic on the net. Carole & I are writing an ongoing prequel to PoU. It's called "A Sirius Affair," & you can view it on the PoU egroups homepage. Once you get to that homepage, click on files, then click on the folder labelled "A Sirius Affair." We have 5 chapters posted (planning a total of 12-13). Shelly -- I couldn't agree more with your sentiments re: marrying someone who's your friend & your thoughts about the long-term implications of Ron/Herm. I've said it all before so I'll spare everyone the lengthy recap. Ron & Herm have "sparks," but in the end I don't think Ron would be "enough" for her. Harry & Herm are more equally balanced & well-suited. But, then again, I married my best friend -- so I favor these relationships. You'll see my detailed arguments in the Romance Pairings FAQ (as well as those in favor of all the other pairings). <g> Maybe we'll convert Marion yet -- who knows? Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 04:05:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Neville Revelation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7146 From: estesrandy Subject: Neville Revelation Date: 8/18/00 12:05 am (ET) I just came across something in Sorcerer's Stone. Neville was attacked by Draco Malfoy who gave him the Leg-Locker curse. After the counter curse is performed on him and he explains what happened, Ron says to him: "You've got to stand up to him, Neville!" I think this is a subtle forshadowing of Neville's coming of age scene in Book 7. I predict Neville will finally publicly stand up to to Draco Malfoy and become a hero. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 04:28:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:28:00 -0400 Subject: Neville Revelation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7147 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Neville Revelation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7146] Neville Revelation Date: 8/18/00 12:28 am (ET) By: estesrandy Date: 8/18/00 12:05 am I just came across something in Sorcerer's Stone. Neville was attacked by Draco Malfoy who gave him the Leg-Locker curse. After the counter curse is performed on him and he explains what happened, Ron says to him: "You've got to stand up to him, Neville!" I think this is a subtle forshadowing of Neville's coming of age scene in Book 7. I predict Neville will finally publicly stand up to to Draco Malfoy and become a hero. -------------- I think it was more for the immediate use to have Neville stand up to H, Her & ron. Remember, he tried to stop them from getting out of the griffindor tower. I think its going to be Ron who gets Draco. Now that doesn't mean that I don't agree that Neville will have his own coming of age party, but I don't think it will be against Draco. Maybe it will be against Snape, who has always been so rough on him. As another example of "I don't care if he's against Lord V., Snape is still slime" in GOF Neville gets a detention for melting his cauldron, which was an accident anyway, but what makes it worse is that Snape forced him to pickle frog brains, or frog parts of some sort. Now Neville has a toad for a pet. How would anyone on the list like to have had to pickle parts of cats or dogs or whatever pet you had when you were 13-14, even if it wasn't your pet specifically. The frogs were used for potion ingredients, but there was no reason except sheer nastiness for Snape to make Neville do that to a creature that's so close to his own pet. Snape is slime. I would like nothing more than for Neville's coming of age party to be standing up to Snape and giving him a real good curse. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 04:47:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7148 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #6982] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/18/00 12:47 am (ET) By: jferer Date: 8/16/00 10:14 am There's been several theories why, but we don't know why Voldemort went after James and Harry, or how and why the house was destroyed. Let's see: here are a few: [snip] Don't forget Brooks' theory. Its the one I like. That Harry was born (or perhaps even specially conceived) under a prophecy and that he is fated to put a final end to L. Voldy's power. That L. Voldy knows this somehow and that THAT is why he was so determined to kill Harry but didn't care about Lily. It could be some combination. That 1000 years ago it was prophecied the last heir of slytherin would rise to dominating power and would only be put down by the last heir of Griffindor. Of course, although there is evidence that Voldy is the last heir of Slytherin, and certainly strong evidence that Harry is an __heir__ of griffindor, we don't have any reason to believe that Harry is the only remaining heir. "No. there is another." :-) I believe the prophecy theory without necessarily bringing the griffindor bit into it. vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 04:55:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7149 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #6984] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/18/00 12:55 am (ET) By: heiditandy Date: 8/16/00 10:21 am >>> i think that, when it comes to hogwarts enrollments for muggle families, there must be more preparation for muggle parents than we've heard about. how would you feel if you recieved a letter on your childs 11th birthday saying 'your kid is a wizard/witch, they're coming to Hogwarts' - perhaps when a magical child is born into a muggle family the ministry, or mcgonagall, or whoever, sends out a letter saying 'your child is a wizard/witch, and will go to this school in the future,' so the parents can get used the idea. ---------- Except that several muggle students, Justin Finchly for one, mention that they were planning to go to Eton, or whereever, when they got the letter. Hermione said something like "Of course, they were ever so pleased." So it seems to come as a surprise when the student is certainly old enough that his/her secondary education is already thought to be settled. I don't think the letter comes too much earlier than perhaps a year at most and my guess would be for no sooner than the beginning of the summer, but I do agree that there has to be some face to face and one on one communication. Most parents would laugh themselves silly and wonder which of their friends was playing tricks on them. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:05:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:05:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7150 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7005] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/18/00 1:05 am (ET) By: jmhohman_2000 Date: 8/16/00 2:47 pm <<then why won't Dumbledore tell Harry why Voldemort tried to kill him?>> I suspect only because it wouldn't serve the story line at this point. Jim Oh, we can do better than that. I suspect it is because Harry has not, in fact, fulfilled the prophecy yet. It probably has something to do with destroying Lord V., and even way back in book one Dumbledore knew that Lord V was down but he wasn't yet out. So he didn't want Harry to know about it. Frequently prophecys in books are kept from the person involved so as not to affect their behavior. vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:11:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7151 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7149] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/18/00 1:11 am (ET) Vicki writes, about Muggle families with wizard kids getting their age 11 letters, >Hermione said something like "Of course, they were >ever so pleased." Gee, maybe there is no tuition to Hogwarts and that is why the parents are pleased - they don't have to pay anything except the supply expenses! From vjmerri at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:22:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:22:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subjects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7152 From: vjmerri Subject: Wizard education of standard subjects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7022] Re: Wizard population/education Date: 8/18/00 1:22 am (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/16/00 7:53 pm <<In the very first book, Neville said his family was afraid he wasn't magic enough to get admitted to Hogwarts. >> Yes, and Ron mentions a second cousin of his mothers who may be an accountant "but no one ever talk about him." We've also not resolved the problem of non-magical topics being absent from the Hogwarts' curriculum. Potions is great, but how much Chemistry is taught? Charms is fun, but not if you can't spell... Well, I dont think they learn much chemistry or math beyond basic math. Potions is their chemistry and History of magic is their history. My question is where do they go to school __prior__ to attending hogwarts. Everyone arrives at hogwarts knowing how to read, write and, apparently, do math at a level something equivalent to what we would expect an 11 year old to know. Perhaps they are taught to read better than the average English 11 year old (we won't even discuss the average american 11 year old.) Certainly, there aren't additional classes in the subjects that we're aware of, but perhaps students who can't continue to progress on their own take some sort of tutoring classes in reading. Also, the students seem to write a number of essays. those essays are probably corrected for spelling and grammar and that's how they continue their english education. vicki From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:24:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Bizarre relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7153 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Bizarre relationships Date: 8/18/00 1:24 am (ET) I've thought of one the other day that I have yet to see mentioned on any list: Rita Skeeter and Gilderoy Lockhart What do you think? From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:28:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:28:00 -0400 Subject: Snape, Weasley, and Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7154 From: spicoli323 Subject: Snape, Weasley, and Malfoy Date: 8/18/00 1:28 am (ET) I think it's pretty likely that Snape and Malfoy were very good friends in the past. The way Snape recoiled when Harry mentioned Malfoy as one of the Death Eaters indicates that the news affected him strongly in some way. Of course, if the two of them were Death Eaters together back when Voldemort first came to power, it would make sense that they were friends. After Voldemort disappeared, though, my theory is that Malfoy and Snape remained on good terms, although Malfoy, at least, might not have been totally sincere. But Snape could have accepted that Malfoy was "reformed", while Malfoy, at the very least, would think it advantageous to have a friend inside Hogwarts. Their friendship would explain Snape's favoritism towards Draco, which went even beyond his normal bias to Slytherins. If I am right, it will be very interesting to see in Book 5 if there is any change in the way Snape treats Draco now that his father has turned to the dark side. Which brings up another interesting point: The Death Eaters Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle all have children at Hogwarts; probably some of their other colleagues do, too. So Dumbledore knows where they live, literally, and they probably wouldn't dare showing their faces back at home. It will be interesting to see, then, how the children of Death Eaters will react to this. Will Malfoy become less threatening now that he knows his father can't back him up at school anymore? Will the children of Death Eaters be ostracized by the other children? I think we will see the beginnings of a change in Draco's personality next book. It is up in the air whether he will choose to follow his father or reject him. Anyway, I am inclined to believe that Malfoy went to school at the same time as Snape and the Marauders. This would be where Snape and Malfoy first became friends. Although the enmity between Malfoy and Arthur Weasley mirrors that between Jim Potter and Snape (or Sirius Black and Snape) I don't think they started to feud until Arthur worked at the Ministry of Magic--most of the friction between Weasley and Malfoy seems to center around Ministry-related issues, such as Arthur's love of Muggles and the periodic searches of Malfoy's house. But I notice that Snape and Weasley do not have a similar hatred of each other (I don't think Snape picks on Ron any more than the other Gryffindors). So although Malfoy has a "history" with both Weasley and Snape, the latter two don't seem to even know each other. So Malfoy probably knew them through separate channels---Snape through Hogwarts, and Weasley through the Ministry. But that's just my opinion. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Subject: Ferrets... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7155 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ferrets... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7154] Snape, Weasley, and Malfoy Date: 8/18/00 1:45 am (ET) Ok, does JKR have a thing for ferrets? In 3 out of 4 mention is made of ferrets, and I am a bit confused by this. First, Arthur makes mention of the magical ferrets he busted in CoS Second, Buckbeak's eating dead ferrets when Ron and Harry go to visit Hagrid, when they discover Hermione is helping Hagrid's case. Then of course is Moody and the bouncing ferret. A theme? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 05:48:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: What's an 'L' plate? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7156 From: smitster1 Subject: What's an 'L' plate? Reply To: [Yahoo! #2652] Re: Marauder's Map Date: 8/18/00 1:48 am (ET) Sorry off topic. <<Perhaps I'm off the beam though - I've only read PoA once so far and I still have my 'L' plates on.>> Neal. What is an 'L' plate? Is this a special plate the British have when they are learning to drive? From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 06:13:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:13:00 -0400 Subject: Where's the brain? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7157 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: Where's the brain? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7118] Where's the brain? Date: 8/18/00 2:13 am (ET) ive been wondering why JKR reminded us of what mrs weasley said about the diary when harry got the marauders map. i was suspicious of the map for the rest of POA and slightly surprised when i reached the end and found that it didnt really serve a major purpose... well it did. but not in an 'evil' way that was implied by the reminder of molly weasley's warning. was the warning just something tossed casually (and rather carelessly) in, or was it a reminded that we trust anything if we cant see where it keeps its brain; objects such as the aforementioned portraits, or trusted objects like the sorting hat? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 06:20:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:20:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's Love Life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7158 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Ron's Love Life Reply To: [Yahoo! #2719] Re: Harry's Love Life Date: 8/18/00 2:20 am (ET) Many, many messages ago, plinsenmayer wrote: <<I think Ron has a crush on Hermione. Or, that at least, each of them has the potential for these crushes.>> Penny, what was it before Book 4 that caused you to suspect the Ron-->Hermione crush? I would have never suspected as much until Book 4 practically beat me over the head with it. I've read these posts before, but on a second going over found it interesting that some of the predictions seem to have been dead on. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 06:31:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:31:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7159 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7148] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/18/00 2:31 am (ET) Saying that Harry is the "last" heir of Gryffindor implies that he will never have children. Saying he is the "sole" heir of Gryffindor existing means that there is no other direct descendent of Gryffindor now living, but allows for future children. I wonder if Voldemort is capable of having offspring. He's obviously not quite human anymore, but may still be capable of siring an heir with some suitable henchwoman. Yech... >>>>>That 1000 years ago it was prophecied the last heir of slytherin would rise to dominating power and would only be put down by the last heir of Griffindor. Of course, although there is evidence that Voldy is the last heir of Slytherin, and certainly strong evidence that Harry is an __heir__ of griffindor, we don't have any reason to believe that Harry is the only remaining heir.<<<< From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 09:13:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:13:00 -0400 Subject: What's an 'L' plate? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7160 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: What's an 'L' plate? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7156] What's an 'L' plate? Date: 8/18/00 5:13 am (ET) An 'L' plate is a plate you have to put on your car when you're learning to drive. L stands for 'Learner,' and the plate is white with a big red L on it. Thankfully, I no longer have to have them! ~Blaise. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 09:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Subject: What's an 'L' plate? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7161 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: What's an 'L' plate? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7160] Re: What's an 'L' plate? Date: 8/18/00 5:27 am (ET) <<An 'L' plate is a plate you have to put on your car when you're learning to drive. L stands for 'Learner,' and the plate is white with a big red L on it. Thankfully, I no longer have to have them!>> You beat me to it, Blaise! People make a great play of 'tearing up their L-Plates' when they pass the driving test, despite the fact that plastic L-plates are a devil to rip in two. I'm quite familiar with L-Plates, as it took me five attempts to pass my driving test. I finally managed it about 18 years ago and I haven't driven a car since. In the end I decided 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' and became the cheerful rust-bucket you see before you. Neil PS: Brides-to-be are usually expected to parade around town on their Hen Night [Bridal Shower?], wearing L-Plates. Many British people find this tradition amusing. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 09:38:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:38:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi & werewolves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7162 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Animagi & werewolves Reply To: [Yahoo! #7138] Re: Animagi & werewolves Date: 8/18/00 5:38 am (ET) <<Is it legal to kill a werewolf the other 28 days of the month?>> Indeed yes, a fascinating question. I'm probably going to rely on ideas that various fanfic authors have thrown out (c.f. Angie's thought that fanfic authors have to prove the theories other people create - thanks for that!). Really, we have no idea what wizards think of werewolves, beyond that they despise and fear them. I can well believe that wizards are highly misinformed, perhaps thinking that werewolves are dangerous 29 days out of 29 (or that they're afraid of pumpkins!). Do werewolves count as human under wizarding law? I can't help thinking of Ron's reaction to Remus in the Shrieking Shack. If wizards were to believe that werewolves were always dangerous, you could make a case for killing a werewolf any time of the month, and likewise if they didn't class werewolves as human. <<Tom Riddle made some remark about Hagrid raising a litter of werewolf pups under his bed, and it may have been you who pointed out that human children who turn into wolves one night a month cannot be raised under a bed. Perhaps there is a magical creature which is wolf-like full-time but its bite turns a human into a werewolf, and the wizard folk, including their lawmakers, keep getting confused between the magical creatures and the infected humans, leading them to make laws that treat the infected humans as if they were rabid coyotes or plague-carrying rats. >> Fascinating! I like that as an explanation of what Hagrid had under his bed. Perhaps if a werewolf bites a real wolf, the wolf becomes one of these carriers? I don't think there's much potential for getting the human werewolf and the wolf werewolf confused, though. They're fundamentally different. The wolf version is in some ways not such a threat. I think one of the things wizards find scary about werewolves is that they can't recognise them. We see no sign of the traditional hairy, long-toothed, clawed human who is a werewolf in HP; Remus looks normal. A mad wolf is easier to identify, and there's no chance that it's been living amongst you. Secondly, if you'll accept my theory on how these wolf-werewolves are formed, there can't be any (or more than a tiny number) in Britain because wolves are extinct here. <<Lockhart claimed to have cured a werewolf with the Homorphus Charm. As many of Lockhart's boasts were based on other people's actual deeds, do you think there actually IS a Homorphus Charm?>> I don't think there is one. For one thing, if there were one, could Remus' parents not have tried it on him? Or Sirius could have used it when Remus transformed in PoA. I think it's all a product of Lockhart's imagination. Either that or the charm causes some sort of great harm to the werewolf, so that nobody who cared for the werewolf would ever use it on him. Wow! I love these complicated, in-depth discussions! ~Blaise. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 10:53:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:53:00 -0400 Subject: Dragons.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7163 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Dragons.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7142] Re: Dragons.... Date: 8/18/00 6:53 am (ET) <<I idly wondered about this, too. I do think that much has been done to establish snakes as semi-sentient (i.e. Nagini). I wonder if the theoretical link between snakes and dragons will ever be touched upon. Can dragons understand Parseltongue?>> I've wondered about this many times, but have never been able to work it out. Certainly snakes and dragons are connected in general mythology (the word is even the same in some languages e.g. ancient Greek). As Parseltongue is rare and is looked on as evil, it wouldn't surprise me that even if dragons could speak it, the fact would not be known to many. But Harry has encountered dragons several times now, and he's never tried to speak in Parseltongue to them, and it hasn't happened spontaneously the way it does when he's speaking to a snake. So I'd say that dragons probably can't speak it, or else JKR is saving up this fact to spring it on us at a later date! ~Blaise. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 11:05:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:05:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7164 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Oxford (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7122] Oxford...(A bit off topic) Date: 8/18/00 7:05 am (ET) <<That would be nice, wouldn't it! As an American student who is startig to look at Universities, I was wondering how selective Oxford is? I'm very studious (not to mention a complete Anglophile) and I have been considering Oxford as a choice for higher education. What could you say for it?>> Oxford isn't easy to get into. It's certainly one of the most choosy universities in England, possibly in the world. That said, you've got a strong chance so long as your grades are good and you're prepared to work hard once you're there. And it's a WONDERFUL place! I haven't even started there yet, but I love it already. If you want to ask me more about this privately, e-mail me at blaise_writer at hotmail.com. Otherwise, find a university prospectus, ask whichever teacher at your school gives advice on higher education and get yourself an application form! :-) But you won't find Merlin College on it unless you're a wizard! ~Blaise. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:08:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:08:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius, Apparating ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7165 From: delwyn_march Subject: Sirius, Apparating ? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7100] Where is the Ministry? Date: 8/18/00 8:08 am (ET) Salut ! >why did Sirius have to travel so much to get from his hiding place back to Harry in GoF? Have we ever heard of Sirius Apparating or Disapparating ? I can't remember it's mentioned anywhere in the books. Seems to me that either he's never known how to do it, but that seems highly unlikely for someone so active and bright, or, more probably, he may have forgotten how to do it during his twelve years in Azkaban. Or maybe it could be that one would need a wand to Apparate, and if I'm not mistaken, Sirius doesn't have one of his own (which would explain why we don't see him doing a lot of magic, apart from his Animagus transformation). Doriane PS : what did they do with his wand when they sent him to Azkaban ? From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:30:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:30:00 -0400 Subject: Bizarre relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7166 From: jferer Subject: Re: Bizarre relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7153] Bizarre relationships Date: 8/18/00 8:30 am (ET) Rita Skeeter and Gilderoy Lockhart -- a genuine High Concept. They'd be such huge rivals it would be like a Hollywoood marriage. One thing for sure, they'd have to have two bathrooms with two sets of mirrors. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:32:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:32:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's Love Life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7167 From: jferer Subject: Re: Ron's Love Life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7158] Re: Ron's Love Life Date: 8/18/00 8:32 am (ET) Penny wrote, "I think Ron has a crush on Hermione. Or, that at least, each of them has the potential for these crushes." Ron doesn't know he has the crush yet, either. He just knows how he felt when he saw Hermione with Victor. Ron's not the super self-aware type. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:42:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:42:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship and loneliness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7168 From: delwyn_march Subject: Friendship and loneliness Date: 8/18/00 8:42 am (ET) I've been wondering about what kind of friendship Harry, Ron and Hermione share. I mean, sometimes they act like they are really close, like for example when Ron and his family come and "rescue" Harry from the Dursleys, but at other times they just don't seem to care about each other's feelings. I felt very sad for Hermione in PoA when Harry and Ron let her down just because her cat had presumably eaten Ron's rat (I don't mean that pets aren't important, I still get sad when I remember how much I loved my cat and how hard it was to have the vet put him to "sleep"), especially since Ron wasn't that much taken with Scabbers *and* she couldn't find no other friends (she doesn't fit in the female Gryffindor gang, nor with the other guys). And then I read GoF and wham ! It's Ron that's letting Harry down, just because he's a (great) bit jealous and without caring to ask himself a few useful questions ("Would Harry really want to enter the Tournament ?" or "Would he do it without telling me ?"). And there are many more examples. All this to say that, in my opinion, Harry, Ron and Hermione might be good friends, but not *close* friends. They are together more because they are the first person they met (Harry and Ron), or because things turned out that way accidentally (Hermione quite unvoluntarily shared one of Harry and Ron's nights out of bed, and stayed with them because they didn't really mind her presence and she didn't find better elsewhere), but they don't seem to be putting any special efforts in their relationship to make it grow stronger. It's sad but they just take it for granted and when something breaks, they just wait for it to mend all by itself. In a way, I'm looking forward for them to meet more adversity on their way, since that's the only thing that could make them grow closer (or break up completely !) Sorry for the long post, but I've never been able to write anything *short* in my whole life, especially when it's something that's bothering me as much as this frienship issue does ! Doriane From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:45:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:45:00 -0400 Subject: Bizarre relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7169 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Bizarre relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7166] Re: Bizarre relationships Date: 8/18/00 8:45 am (ET) But the good thing is : since he doesn't remember much about anything, she could feed him all her twisted stories without him knowing she's lying. The perfect relationship !! :) Doriane From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 12:57:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's Love Life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7170 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Ron's Love Life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7167] Re: Ron's Love Life Date: 8/18/00 8:57 am (ET) Anyone noticed the way he (Ron) said her (Hermione) name when her saw lying Petrified in the hospital wing in CoS ? He was feeling something deep and strong for her, that's for *sure* ! But there's just no way he could admit it : she's just too *different* from him, and not in a sexy way : she's a girl (remember, he's got only one sister and that's Ginny !), she's a Muggle, she's definitely not as poor as he, she's so much smarter than him, so much more self-assured, and so *bossy* ! How could he ever admit, even to himself, that he's impressed by her and even more than that ? But he's definitely *jealous*, that's a first step ! Doriane (who, just in case you hadn't noticed, is a strong R/H shipper) From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:12:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:12:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7171 From: delwyn_march Subject: Hermione's love life Date: 8/18/00 9:12 am (ET) What I said in my previous message about Ron's feelings towards Hermione goes well for her too ! For example, when Harry and Ron are both in danger (which happened quite a number of times), she quite often seems to be more relieved to find Ron still alive and well than Harry. She cares about Harry of course, but really not as much as she cares about Ron. And that's probably why she gets so upset over that Scabbers/Crookshanks thing : it's Ron who's angry at her, not Harry. After all, she didn't care as much when Harry got furious after they took away his Firebolt because of what she'd done. But she, too, cannot admit her inclination : he's not exactly the Perfect Student, he's not too good-looking, he doesn't respect the rules the way she tries to do (well, less and less as time goes on...), etc... But the way she reacted when he actually realized she was a girl and asked her to the ball really shows how much she resented *him* in particular for not having done it sooner. Doriane (who just loved that last scene, being one of the Trolls Ron talked about - sweet revenge) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:20:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: Do we like Yahoo? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7172 From: babynick34 Subject: Do we like Yahoo? Date: 8/18/00 9:20 am (ET) Hi all We've discussed this before... but did not come up with an alternative to using Yahoo Clubs. I think I may have found an alternative... which 1. Allows searches 2. Allows email replies (but not posts, sorry) 3. Is threaded discussion I've created a test page at: http://www.rainbowplay.co.uk/phorum This shows you what it's like... basic, simple, and effective. I've put one thread from the club on there, so you get the idea of how a threaded discussion looks. Please post comments on the forum at: http://www.rainbowplay.co.uk/phorum Maybe, if people have had enough of Yahoo (though it's not played up recently for me), then we could switch over to Phorum... which could run on one of my PHP/SQL servers. Just a thought... Nick * To comment on this post, please comment on the Phorum Forum at: http://www.rainbowplay.co.uk/phorum This will save lots of replies going to the list here... and getting in the way of our HP discussions. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:37:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:37:00 -0400 Subject: PoU & Fanfic in General Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7173 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: PoU & Fanfic in General Reply To: [Yahoo! #7145] Re: PoU & Fanfic in General Date: 8/18/00 9:37 am (ET) Penny, Thank you for letting me know it was Lori Summers who is the author for PoU. I also have to agree about it being the best considering the others I have read. I have just started reading "A Sirius Affair" and will let you know what I think of it when I am done. The thing about any relationship I have found is that if you are not friends first you don't have anything to fall back on once that first rush of lust is over with. Don't get me wrong. I still lust after the hubby, it's just we have more to our lives. Between both of us working about 10 hours a day, three kids and trying to keep up with both of our respective families you don't seem to have time for that anymore. (At least not like we did at first) I love to just sit and talk to him for hours at a time and I feel sorry for people who don't have that kind of relationship with their partner. For me it was the only way to go and I definately recommend it for anyone. Later Shelly From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:41:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:41:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's been cast Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7174 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Harry's been cast Date: 8/18/00 9:41 am (ET) Hi, all. Haven't been by here in a month or so, so hi hi hi hi. I'm assuming that this has been mentioned already, but I don't see it, so I'm posting it. They've cast Gabriel Thompson as Harry. He's British, of course, but he's 13, so I'm hoping he doesn't seem too old. Anyway, see http://aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=6715 for details. From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 14:24:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (In other fiction) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7175 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Veela (In other fiction) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7023] Veela (Book 4) Date: 8/18/00 10:24 am (ET) I spotted a Veela in another book- Piers Anthony's Zanth series- there is a "Vida Vila" in the book "Heaven Cent." (If I am recalling the name correctly...) Different description, but still a luscious nature spirit sort of gal. Interesting to see other interpretations of classic fantasy creatures. Ellen the Beekeeper From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 14:32:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:32:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's Love Life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7176 From: jferer Subject: Re: Ron's Love Life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7170] Re: Ron's Love Life Date: 8/18/00 10:32 am (ET) There definitely is stuff Ron and Hermione would have to get past before they could have anything but a high-school-age type relationship. Ron doesn't analyze himself much, either, so he needed the stimulus of his jealousy of Viktor Krum to bring his feelings up. And, BTW, Hermione is *not* a Muggle. She is Muggle-born. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 16:06:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:06:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7177 From: spicoli323 Subject: Harry's love life Date: 8/18/00 12:06 pm (ET) Has anyone (outside of fan fiction) thought of pairing Fleur Delacour up with anyone? Ron still apparently has a crush on her, but I think it might be more interesting to see her with Harry. Her brief appearance in the last chapter seems to indicate that she will be back in Book 5, and she has at least grown to like and respect Harry--might there be something more to her feelings. I will be very interested to see her character get developed in more detail--maybe she will turn out to be nicer and more interesting than she has been so far. By the way, I'd also like to see more of Victor Krum in future books--he started to become very interesting once he finally opened his mouth and said something. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 16:31:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7178 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Animagi Date: 8/18/00 12:31 pm (ET) Since James Potter is animagi, would Harry also be able to turn into a creature too? Does it run genetically? From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 16:48:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7179 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Animagi Reply To: [Yahoo! #7178] Animagi Date: 8/18/00 12:48 pm (ET) I don't think it's genetic--according to Lupin and Black, the Marauders had to work for a couple years at learning how to do the shape-changing thing. Interesting, then, that Harry apparently has no ambition to learn himself. On the other hand, I wonder if we might find out later that Dumbledore, Voldemort, or both are animagi. Hermione says that there have been seven registered animagi this century, and we now know of four unregistered ones--I'm sure there have to be plenty of other unregistered ones out there--there would be a lot of advantages to being able to become an animal without anyone knowing about it. So other surprise animagi might show up later. From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 16:58:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7180 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7151] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/18/00 12:58 pm (ET) I would imagine that Hermione's parents were pleased to find the reason for Hermione's being different. The Dursleys knew about the magical community before Harry got his letter but possibly Hermione's parents didn't and they would possibly have been very worried and puzzled whilst she was growing up. I imagined the Grangers actually getting a visit from a liaison officer or some such and perhaps even being invited to look over Hogwarts. I do not think that Dumbledore would sanction the use of magic to get their approval. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 17:02:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: Gilderoy and Skeeter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7181 From: mkplummer Subject: Gilderoy and Skeeter Reply To: [Yahoo! #7153] Bizarre relationships Date: 8/18/00 1:02 pm (ET) I've thought of one the other day that I have yet to see mentioned on any list: Rita Skeeter and Gilderoy Lockhart What do you think? A match made in Heaven!!! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 17:06:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7182 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7180] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/18/00 1:06 pm (ET) I think I know who would be great for this kind of job-once he recovers, of course - Gilderoy Lockheart! He's great at promotion, a good extemporaneous talker, not a bad writer (at least we've been given the impression that he writes his own books, even if they are biographical, not autobiographical) and he may be able to releard how to do a good memory charm to use on the parents of those who don't want their children to go to Hogwarts. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 17:20:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:20:00 -0400 Subject: Mixed marriages,etc... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7183 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Mixed marriages,etc... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7029] Mixed marriages,etc... Date: 8/18/00 1:20 pm (ET) Siriusgeologist wrote ... This intermarriage stuff leaves a few very serious unanswered questions! Such as, How on earth did Hagrid's parents manage to procreate in the first place. Given that the female is the giant, I would think he (the father) just doesn't have the right stuff! Obviously, he must be one of the all time greats at foreplay! ------------------------------------- There must be magical ways to "do the trick". Ron and Draco both suggested what they thought accounted for Hagrid's size, usually involving an engorgement potion or charm gone awry. Surely Hagrid's father could have been imaginative. Where there's a will, there's a way :-) What this begs, though, is why (male) wizards seem no better adjusted than muggle men? Isn't this the great unsolved problem :-) :-) Jim From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 17:41:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard talent in Muggle families Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7184 From: jferer Subject: Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Reply To: [Yahoo! #7180] Re: Wizard talent in Muggle families Date: 8/18/00 1:41 pm (ET) I thought about the same thing -- what would I do if, in two years, my 9 year old daughter got a Hogwarts letter? I'd toss it or call the cops or something. There might be liaison officers, but maybe even better, volunteer parents of established Hogwarts students. The only magic Dumbledore would sanction would be some sort of a demonstration to prove to the doubters this was real. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 17:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7185 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Animagi Reply To: [Yahoo! #7179] Re: Animagi Date: 8/18/00 1:42 pm (ET) >>>>So other surprise animagi might show up later. <<<< Some of us have our suspicions about Crookshanks. He was amazingly helpful and cooperative with Sirius Black in PoA. Crookshanks stole Neville's list of passwords -- can he read? He also took an order from Sirius to purchase Harry's Firebolt -- how was that little transaction accomplished without suspicion? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 18:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: Ron's Love Life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7186 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Ron's Love Life Date: 8/18/00 2:10 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Penny, what was it before Book 4 that caused you to suspect the Ron-->Hermione crush? I would have never suspected as much until Book 4 practically beat me over the head with it.>>> There were a few places in CoS where I had a bit of a thought, but it was mainly PoA that caused me to make that particular prediction. CoS evidence: Ron seems most upset by the fact that Hermione was petrified (more so than Harry); it's when Ron glances at her empty seat that he resolves to follow the spiders with Harry; & at the end, in McGonagall's office, when Dumbledore mentions that the mandrake draught had been given out to the petrified students, Ron pipes up with "So, Hermione's okay then?" PoA evidence: they bicker back & forth throughout the book (which can indicate romantic feelings in kids that age -- not always, but sometimes); when she slugs Malfoy & walks out on Trelawney, he seems to see her in a whole new light. I don't think Ron yet realizes that he has romantic feelings for Hermione, not even by the end of GoF. Ebony has dubbed my theory the "Farmer in the Dell" theory: Ron likes Hermione, Hermione likes Harry & Harry likes . . . .someone else or maybe noone. He liked Cho, but as I said yesterday, I don't see any potential for that to continue or progress in any way. The R/Hr pairing is so obvious that it also makes me think JKR will go in a different direction entirely. She may be trying to cause her readers to *think* that's where she's headed (wouldn't be the first curve ball she's thrown us, would it?). I still have strong suspiscions that there will be some variant on my Farmer in the Dell theory (and/or a love triangle, betrayal, etc.). Penny From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 18:39:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (In other fiction) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7187 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Veela (In other fiction) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7175] Re: Veela (In other fiction) Date: 8/18/00 2:39 pm (ET) I'm writing a trilogy of Oz books in which Veela appear -- They are a "splinter group" of Queen Zurline's band of Wood Nymphs who "defected" because they objected to Zurline's attempts to put an end to fairy-mortal carnal relations in Oz and other fairylands. I also reveal that the Adepts of Sorcery from the "canonical" _Glinda of Oz_ are the daughters of the Queen of the Veela. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 18:40:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7188 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Fleur's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7177] Harry's love life Date: 8/18/00 2:40 pm (ET) Has anyone (outside of fan fiction) thought of pairing Fleur Delacour up with anyone? Ron still apparently has a crush on her, but I think it might be more interesting to see her with Harry. Her brief appearance in the last chapter seems to indicate that she will be back in Book 5, and she has at least grown to like and respect Harry--might there be something more to her feelings. I will be very interested to see her character get developed in more detail--maybe she will turn out to be nicer and more interesting than she has been so far. ***************************** IMO Fleur is too old for Harry. She's at least 3 years and maybe 4 years older...as much as she is grateful to him for rescuing her sister and respects his talents as a wizard, I don't think she sees him in a romantic light...he iz just a leetle boy....I did however catch that she seemed a bit interested in Bill Weasleywhen the champions families meet before the 3rd task. This then begs the question is Bill too old for her...he after all must be in his mid to late 20's (26 or 27) so he may well be nearly 10 years older than Fleur....so who knows whether he would be interested in her... carole From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 18:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:52:00 -0400 Subject: Disapparating; Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7189 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Disapparating; Animagi Date: 8/18/00 2:52 pm (ET) Hi: Doriane wrote: <<<Have we ever heard of Sirius Apparating or Disapparating ? I can't remember it's mentioned anywhere in the books. Seems to me that either he's never known how to do it, but that seems highly unlikely for someone so active and bright, or, more probably, he may have forgotten how to do it during his twelve years in Azkaban. Or maybe it could be that one would need a wand to Apparate, and if I'm not mistaken, Sirius doesn't have one of his own (which would explain why we don't see him doing a lot of magic, apart from his Animagus transformation).>>> Very interesting question! I would think if he's a strong enough wizard to become an animagus (and he & James Potter were apparently top of their class), he would know how to apparate & disapparate. My guess is that he wanted to stay with Buckbeak -- so he chose to fly. I guess he needed Buckbeak to leave the Hogwarts grounds in the first place since (putting on my best Hermione voice): "You can't apparate or disapparate from the Hogwarts grounds." And, he was rescuing Buckbeak by taking him away. Although I wonder why Sirius wouldn't turn Buckbeak loose once they were to a point where Buckbeak could live on his own & Sirius could apparate somewhere to hide. Must be more to it than we know. <g> I agree with Danemead -- there's more to Crookshanks than meets the eye. We didn't see any evidence of that in GoF, but I remain convinced he's no ordinary (magical or non-magical) cat. Penny From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 18:54:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:54:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7190 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7177] Harry's love life Date: 8/18/00 2:54 pm (ET) I'm a Harry/Fleur shipper myself (along with Ron/Hermione). I look forward to seeing more of her, maybe as a teacher (hopefully of a new class we know nothing about yet). I think Ron has a bit of a Veela fetish ( so do I :) ), but emotionally he has eyes only for Hermione (though he doesn't know it yet). Harry and Fleur I can see, however... I think she'll "lighten up" too in future books, like Hermione. What sort of class might Fleur teach? Do we get any clue from her strategies in the Tournament? Personally, I'd like to see her either take over as astronomy teacher or teach some new class like magical machinery -- in which they would construct things like the mechanical flying horse in the 1940 version of _The Thief of Bagdad_. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:02:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:02:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7191 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Fleur's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7188] Fleur's love life Date: 8/18/00 3:02 pm (ET) Is Fleur too old for Harry? Maybe, but Cho and Cedric were two years apart, so three doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. In my experience from high school, a fifteen-year-old and and eighteen-year-old dating was extremely rare but not outside the realm of possibility. I think the way Rowling has been setting things up, Ron/Hermione and Harry/Cho still look fairly likely, but you just know she's going to throw something in totally out of left field, and Fleur might be an interesting way of doing that. If Fleur and Harry got together, it would probably make Ron jealous all over again, but it might eventually get him to realize that he likes Hermione. Of course, I don't have much more than a shred of evidence that Fleur has any romantic feelings for Harry, but as they both get older, things might develop, and the age difference will become much less of a big deal. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:07:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford, Snape/Harry, Draco/Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7192 From: hert0661 Subject: Oxford, Snape/Harry, Draco/Hermione Date: 8/18/00 3:07 pm (ET) "Oxford isn't easy to get into. It's certainly one of the most choosy universities in England, possibly in the world. That said, you've got a strong chance so long as your grades are good and you're prepared to work hard once you're there. And it's a WONDERFUL place! I haven't even started there yet, but I love it already." Working hard is not enough. You have to be able to think on your feet and demonstrate an ability to defend and backup your arguements (very good for life on this group). You must be able to start a week knowing nothing about a subject and by the end of the same week have researched and written an essay on it (or answered problem questions - depends on subject). Most colleges want people who are able to 'contribute to college life'. It is an easy place to fall in love with. Blaise: Do I take your message to mean that you have got in? If so, which college? What subject? Blaise and Scott: If you want more info then e-mail me (simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk). "I wish that I COULD be in Hermione's college (ok, I'm a bit taken with her). I should be so lucky." I would see Hermione at Merton. They are noted for working hard etc... But having seen that she didn't get Ravenclaw we can never tell! I never got round to mentioning this a few weeks ago when there was a large discussion on suitable places to be Hogwarts. One idea I thought of, was that some of the Oxbrige Colleges would be perfect. Also quite a few are used to film crew since quite a large number of programs and films have been shot around them. I spent a large amount of last term walking around the film crews! "What have I always told you? Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain?" I cannot see where I keep my brain. Does this mean I should not trust myself? ""Romeo and Juliet"-type relationships (which would traditionally point towards Draco/Hermione" I do not see the Romeo and Juliet link. The Malfoy's may dislike the Granger's put we have no reason to suspect the reverse. Also the Malfoy's dislike of the Granger's is simply because they are muggles, there is no specific hate between the families. Also when R+J first meet there is instant attraction which is not apparant in the D+H pairing. "Snape hates Harry but tries to protect him" I am not so sure the hate is against Harry. It is hate against James which Snape is reminded of by Harry. He seems to annoy Harry. Maybe he is looking for some reason why he may legitimately transfer the hate of James onto Harry. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7193 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 3:11 pm (ET) Hi: Doriane questioned the strength of the friendships among H, H & R. That's an interesting take on it Doriane. Personally, I've never seen anything but evidence that they have very close friendships in all directions. They have their squabbles & disagreements, but that's normal. <<<I felt very sad for Hermione in PoA when Harry and Ron let her down just because her cat had presumably eaten Ron's rat>>> Well, Harry makes an effort to patch things up between Ron & Hermione on several occasions. Plus, Harry did try to make Hermione see reason & at least admit it was *possible* that Crookshanks ate Scabbers. She was stubborn & brought most of her isolation on herself. All of this struck me as typical behavior for 13 yr olds. <<<And then I read GoF and wham ! It's Ron that's letting Harry down, just because he's a (great) bit jealous and without caring to ask himself a few useful questions ("Would Harry really want to enter the Tournament ?" or "Would he do it without telling me ?").>>> Well, as glad as I was to see it end, I thought it was a bit weird that Harry & Ron had never argued or disagreed before. And, I think Ron's jealousy & ambition will play a larger role in the books to come. I don't think we've seen the last of the bad side of Ron (or Harry or Hermione either for that matter). I think these arguments & problems flesh out the characters -- they wouldn't seem very real to me if everything was just hunky-dory with the 3 of them all the time. But, that doesn't mean they aren't the closest of friends. It just means they have normal ups & downs within the relationships. The strength of their friendship is perhaps best evidenced by the fact that they can have these problems & arguments & still lean on each other when it really counts. IMO, they've been through a hell of alot together to just characterize them as "happenstance" friends. They have arguments, and it seems that they are all 3 a bit stubborn. That's a perfectly normal personality trait though. All in all, I think their relationship seems very very close. Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:19:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7194 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7152] Wizard education of standard subjects Date: 8/18/00 3:19 pm (ET) Vicki wrote: "Everyone arrives at hogwarts knowing how to read, write and, apparently, do math at a level something equivalent to what we would expect an 11 year old to know. Perhaps they are taught to read better than the average English 11 year old (we won't even discuss the average american 11 year old.)" Please, stop underestimating American children. The average American 11 year old is just like any other 11 year old--he or she lives up to *our* expectations. We must make them aim high. The children will do the rest. Sure, we can do better. However, there are millions of American parents, teachers, and concerned adults who are working their fingers to the bone to ensure that every child is given a fair chance in life. Ebony AKA AngieJ From befell at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:27:00 2000 From: befell at yahoo.com (befell) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7195 From: befell Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7194] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/18/00 3:27 pm (ET) Hi there! I'm a rather new addition to your club, and havn't posted yet because I've been catching up with you guys! :-) This post did catch my eye though. >>(we won't even discuss the average american 11 year old.)<< I am an American 17 year old, and I was in 5th grade when I was 11. I remember reading the Lord of the Rings trilogy that year, something that impressed me anyway! Of course, that is just one kid out of a whole country full, but I thought I'd let ya know. :-) Bri From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:53:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:53:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7196 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7193] Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 3:53 pm (ET) Agreed-- H, H, & R *are* close friends. But, they're still teenagers. It's very rare to find someone that can analyze their friendships and relationships in painstaking detail at this age, and they might not yet be aware of just how much they mean to each other. However, they may be getting closer to this point-- the second task was a step closer, as was that fateful (and decidedly pro-H/H) kiss on the final page. (There's no converting me.....) Also, the return of Voldemort will almost certainly force them to look their friendship over. Ron and Hermione are going to have to deal with the fact that their best friend is in even more mortal peril than before..... --Alicia/Sue "Yeah, I'm Overanalytical" Spinnet From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 19:57:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship and loneliness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7197 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Friendship and loneliness Reply To: [Yahoo! #7168] Friendship and loneliness Date: 8/18/00 3:57 pm (ET) By: delwyn_march Date: 8/18/00 8:42 am wrote: All this to say that, in my opinion, Harry, Ron and Hermione might be good friends, but not *close* friends. They are together more because they are the first person they met (Harry and Ron), or because things turned out that way accidentally (Hermione quite unvoluntarily shared one of Harry and Ron's nights out of bed, and stayed with them because they didn't really mind her presence and she didn't find better elsewhere), but they don't seem to be putting any special efforts in their relationship to make it grow stronger. It's sad but they just take it for granted and when something breaks, they just wait for it to mend all by itself. In a way, I'm looking forward for them to meet more adversity on their way, since that's the only thing that could make them grow closer (or break up completely !) **************************** Good friends...but not Close friends....over the past 4 years they have gotten past a 3 headed dog and all amnners of tests that could have killed them or gotten them expelled. gone after a basilisk that kills with a glance, and gone after a convicted murderer and freed him, again at the risk of their lives and their school careers. Ron and Hermione each went willingly into their respective escapades...you don't do that for a casula friend...you do that for a *best* friend. I see nothing casual or happenstance about these friendships except how they began, as most friendships begin this way. They have risked life and limb for one another. Sure they fight...they are 11, 12, 13, and 14..its the way most adolescents treat their friends...but just because they fight and take awhile to get over it does not diminish the closeness of the friendship. carole From Rip_Washington at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 20:02:00 2000 From: Rip_Washington at yahoo.com (Rip_Washington) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: Speculation Mounts Over HP Film Role Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7198 From: Rip_Washington Subject: Speculation Mounts Over HP Film Role Date: 8/18/00 4:02 pm (ET) Article: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000818/re/arts_potter_dc_1.html From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 20:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7199 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7196] Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 4:09 pm (ET) Hi: <<<as was that fateful (and decidedly pro-H/H) kiss on the final page. (There's no converting me.....)>>> I too think that JKR emphasized that kiss for a reason. There's no converting me either -- so welcome from another decidedly H/H shipper! Did you join recently Alicia? I know you're on the PoU list, but you haven't posted much here before. Welcome!! Speaking of over-analytical -- you'll love the H/H analysis I'm throwing into the Romance Pairings FAQ (Ebony has some great theories I'm adding to my own). Penny From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 20:09:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: 11 Year Olds..... (formerly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7200 From: alicia5270 Subject: 11 Year Olds..... (formerly Reply To: [Yahoo! #7195] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/18/00 4:09 pm (ET) Largely OT..... I don't recall fifth grade that well, probably because my *distinguished* classmates required painfully dreary review sessions on basic grammar and mathematics on a daily basis. I essentially spent that year reading Jeffrey Archer books under my desk, falling asleep in the back of math class, making pretty designs on my notebooks, and not listening to a word that was said..... something that greatly aggravated the other 23 children in my class, the majority of whom couldn't spell the word 'homework'. I felt terribly for my teachers, but I dare anyone on this list to sit through seven weeks of repeating the parts of speech and not grow somewhat bored. :) I do remember being called either 'The Brain' or 'The Freak', though. In fact, the only thing about this scenario that has changed is the caliber of my retorts. Suffice to say, my school district doesn't support a Gifted program and offers AP courses for only juniors and seniors. I guess it's another year of non-leveled English for me..... --Alicia/Sue "Yeah, I'm Overanalytical" Spinnet From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 20:13:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education, was Wizard education Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7201 From: brooksindy Subject: OT: US Education, was Wizard education Reply To: [Yahoo! #7194] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/18/00 4:13 pm (ET) Selah wrote: >Vicki....Please, stop underestimating American >children. The average American 11 year old is >just like any >other 11 year old--he or she lives up to *our* >expectations. We must make them aim high. The >children will do the rest. Both Vicki's and my perceptions are colored by having grown up in states with some of the lowest per-student expenditures and scores on standardized tests (Indiana and Kentucky). Maybe that is an example of adults' expectations being too high, instead of too low - as if we expect the kids to be capable of overcoming the difficulties regardless. From befell at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 20:24:00 2000 From: befell at yahoo.com (befell) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: 11 Year Olds..... (formerly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7202 From: befell Subject: Re: 11 Year Olds..... (formerly Reply To: [Yahoo! #7200] 11 Year Olds..... (formerly Date: 8/18/00 4:24 pm (ET) Still OT >>Suffice to say, my school district doesn't support a Gifted program and offers AP courses for only juniors and seniors. I guess it's another year of non-leveled English for me.....<< I know what you are feeling. The school district that I am in had some of the lowest test scores in the state of Colorado. They generally only offer AP to jusniors and Seniors at my school, and there are only 2 AP English classes that they teach at all. I was fortunate enought, however to be one of three students allowed into AP Language my sophomore year. I will have to take my senior english credit at the local college. Oh well. Back to a topic, I know that my parents would have died laughing had I recieved a letter from Hogwarts! Shoot, I probably would have too. :-) Bri From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:02:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:02:00 -0400 Subject: Disapparating; Animagi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7203 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Disapparating; Animagi Reply To: [Yahoo! #7189] Disapparating; Animagi Date: 8/18/00 5:02 pm (ET) >>I would think if he's a strong enough wizard to become an animagus (and he & James Potter were apparently top of their class), he would know how to apparate & disapparate. My guess is that he wanted to stay with Buckbeak -- so he chose to fly. I guess he needed Buckbeak to leave the Hogwarts grounds in the first place since (putting on my best Hermione voice): "You can't apparate or Disapparate from the Hogwarts grounds." And, he was rescuing Buckbeak by taking him away. Although I wonder why Sirius wouldn't turn Buckbeak loose once they were to a point where Buckbeak could live on his own & Sirius could apparate somewhere to hide. I agree with that last point : if Buckbeak was slowing him down, why didn't just he give him away, or even sold him ? Plus : at the end of PoA, Sirius tells Harry in his letter that he hopes he didn't frighten him under his great black dog appearance, and that he only wanted to take a look at him before starting his journey north. Now, I would hardly call Apparating a journey : a journey makes it sound like it was going to take time, while Apparating takes *no* time. So ? OTOH, it really makes no sense that such a good wizard wouldn't know how to Apparate ... Doriane From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Copied from a club.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7205 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Copied from a club.... Date: 8/18/00 5:06 pm (ET) Oh, ack! Wrong post! I will correct myself, here, and if one of the founders would be so kind as delete that other one.... Beowulf epicmyst2 (15/M/philly) 8/18/00 2:06 pm Hey i just watched a copy of beowulf the movie was cool they have not yet released it to the US but i got and advance copy it is for sale in germany though. It stars christopher lambert who is beowulf and for anyone who has read the book and loved it the movie is worth seeing. has anybody else seen it yet thanks for the info erica i may go there sometime. From anatty at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:06:00 2000 From: anatty at yahoo.com (anatty) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:06:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7206 From: anatty Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated Reply To: [Yahoo! #7078] Sports Illustrated Date: 8/18/00 5:06 pm (ET) Margaret, I'd love it of you could put the text in a message here! I con't get any american newspapers here (they arrive a month later at least) and I would really like to know what SI said... Thank you very much! 8^) Anat From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:07:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7207 From: delwyn_march Subject: Friendship Date: 8/18/00 5:07 pm (ET) OK, OK, I get the message : Harry, Ron and Hermione *are* close friends ! :) Anyway, that's what I *want* ! Doriane From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:15:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7208 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7201] OT: US Education, was Wizard education Date: 8/18/00 5:15 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/18/00 4:13 pm <<<<Both Vicki's and my perceptions are colored by having grown up in states with some of the lowest per-student expenditures and scores on standardized tests (Indiana and Kentucky). Maybe that is an example of adults' expectations being too high, instead of too low - as if we expect the kids to be capable of overcoming the difficulties regardless.>>>> On behalf of all of those who represent the worst of my profession, I apologize. I like the fact that the public is demanding more from schools. As one who teaches three sections of fifth grade (among other things), reading Alicia's post about her experience with parts of speech drills made me ashamed of what we as educators have passed off as professionalism. U.S. teacher education is going through its most drastic transformation since the 1800s right now. 70% of the current teaching force will either retire or leave within the next 5-10 years. Those of us who have come into education within the last 5-10 years seem to be an entirely different breed. We have had to undergo some of the most grueling teacher licensing exams in decades... the Florida exam was THE hardest test I've ever taken--GRE, LSAT, and all 5 AP courses included. Many of us came from other fields. The emphasis now is on peer training. Remember the one teacher you had that you never forgot? These "master teachers", instead of clueless ed professors, are doing an increasing amount of training. I long for the day when teaching is regarded as a respectable profession, when young teachers like myself aren't regardless as idealistic idiots by classmates and friends who choose different life paths. Before I began student teaching, I thought that teaching was the easiest profession in the world. Seven hours or less a day--summers off--all you have to do is deal with a bunch of kids, give some homework, and you're done. I'd have plenty of time left to write. Piece of cake, right? Wrong. They don't tell you that the average American teacher is either on the job or doing job related functions 60+ hours a week. We've earned those summers off--and more than half of all teachers teach through their vacation. The children in our public schools are some of the most troubled in our nation's history. We are counselors, friends, mentors, mediators, advocates, nurses, secretaries, and managers all wrapped into one. Counting class time, before school tutoring, after school rehearsals, and extension field trips, I spend more time with my 170 students than most of their parents do. I have never had such a draining experience emotionally, intellectually, and physically. I've also never been more rewarded. Or more humbled. Some of the notes that my children gave me on the last day of school and some of the things they said made me cry stormy tears. The work that I do isn't glamorous. I am constantly reminded of all the many reasons why anyone in their right mind would do anything else. Our test scores show that my students know their parts of speech. (No, I didn't cheat. <g>) But none of them felt much like drawing on their notebooks last school year. I daresay you'll find a lot more teachers like me than the "drones". After all, we're all educated enough to post in this forum, right? For every Snape (and I have my Snapish days!), remember this: there is a Lupin. ;) That alone is enough to make me feel proud to be an American teacher. Ebony AKA AngieJ From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:25:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:25:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education ( not as long!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7209 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: OT: US Education ( not as long!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7208] Re: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Date: 8/18/00 5:25 pm (ET) >I long for the day when teaching is regarded as a >respectable profession, >when young teachers like myself aren't regardless >as idealistic idiots by >classmates and friends who choose different life >paths. Amen. There was a science fiction story I read a few years ago about a guy who starts at the bottom, working his way up, taking classes and competency tests and lots of evening study as he progresses, until he stands at the pinnacle of his profession, with the greatest responsibility and challenge.... He started on the school board and worked his way up through principal to be an actual teacher. "If you can read this thank a teacher". Yes there *were* some good ones in Kentucky - and any complaint implied in my post about the comparative difficulties of school quality in Kentucky had less to do with teachers, and more to do with those who control education budgets. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:30:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Teachers' Jobs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7210 From: Danemead Subject: Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Reply To: [Yahoo! #7208] Re: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Date: 8/18/00 5:30 pm (ET) >>>Ebony wrote: I long for the day when teaching is regarded as a respectable profession,<<<<< I think teachers are RESPECTED... I long for the day when teachers are PAID some kind of decent salary. Even the most idealistic and committed teacher must support themselves and their families, and that is often impossible unless the teacher has a second job after school. I can't tell you how many "former teachers" I used to meet at work (electronics company). They simply HAD to leave the profession or else live in poverty. I think US teachers today are admired in a kind of awestruck way that we admire bomb disposal squads. We're highly grateful that someone is willing to do the job despite the hazards. PS - rent the movie "Mr. Holland's Opus" starring Richard Dreyfuss. Absolutely outstanding film about the contribution a caring teacher can make. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:39:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: James's death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7211 From: delwyn_march Subject: James's death Date: 8/18/00 5:39 pm (ET) Salut all ! I've been wondering lately about the Marauders and the events surrounding James and Lily's deaths. Let me get this right. 1. Peter had been passing info to V for *a year* (BTH, I suppose Sirius learned about that in Azkaban ?) but nobody noticed anything ? I'm very surprised, especially since Peter is such a bad actor. How did he manage to hide this from his closest friends, who'd known him for ten years or so while so many of V's supporters knew he was one of them ? But he must have done a good job at it because ... 2. Sirius suggested Peter as Secret-Keeper instead of himself ! Oh, come on ! Sirius being who he is would *never* have entrusted anyone else with such a sacred task, at least not without keeping a very close eye on them ! 3. They performed the Fidelius Charm without the help of Dumbledore !? Great wizards they were indeed, James and Sirius (or maybe even James alone ?) 4. If the location of James and Lily's house was hidden inside Peter's head, how come Sirius and Dumbledore knew about it (Sirius came and Dumbledore sent Hagrid) ? I don't know exactly how this Fidelius Charm works, but what would have happened if V *had* gone after Sirius as they supposed he would : since Sirius knew where they were, how would he have kept it secret ? 5. Remus truly believed Sirius had killed Peter after betraying James ??? Something had gone very wrong in their friendship ! My conclusion is : there's more to it than what they've told us and I'm not taking it completely until they've explained themselves ! Oh, I forgot : 6. Crouch Jr and Co were judged for murdering the Longbottoms, but Sirius was sent to Azkaban straight away without a trial. I can't believe Dumbledore really thought he was the traitor and didn't insist on getting him a fair trial ! And now please feel free to tell me why I'm wrong ! :) Doriane From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:42:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:42:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7212 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7115] Equality in sorting Date: 8/18/00 5:42 pm (ET) Melanie, >>I have only one argument against that, and that's the fact that they're "scanned" and sorted one at a time>> That would be absolutely true and logical if the hat was a computer in disguise but it's a magic, enchanted hat. Who knows, maybe it does a scan of all the students as they arrive on Howarts grounds. Maybe the hat is aware of all the wizards in the UK. Maybe the magic pen and the hat are in cahoots. We don't know the extent of the hat's power. Think about it. regards, Jim From joy0823 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 21:44:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Do we like Yahoo? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7213 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Do we like Yahoo? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7172] Do we like Yahoo? Date: 8/18/00 5:44 pm (ET) I hate Yahoo! Posting and reading messages is so tedious... But what's wrong with EGroups? I'm on several lists there, and find it to be very easy to use and full of features. ~Joy~ From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:00:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Snape/Draco (was Family Ties Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7214 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Snape/Draco (was Family Ties Reply To: [Yahoo! #7134] Re: Snape/Draco (was Family Ties Date: 8/18/00 6:00 pm (ET) Yet another though about Snape's partiality towards Draco Malfoy. Snape is essentially a double agent and it would aid his cover among the death-eaters to favor Draco and mistreat the others. This would certainly get back to Lucius. He also has an excuse for not appearing at V's summoning - one cannot apparate from Hogwarts. Jim From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:02:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Siriusly Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7215 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Siriusly Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #7203] Re: Disapparating; Animagi Date: 8/18/00 6:02 pm (ET) <<OTOH, it really makes no sense that such a good wizard wouldn't know how to Apparate ...>> Maybe he chose not to learn, for one reason or another, like Dr. Pulaski in "Star Trek--The Next Generation". Though she could "beam" (Star Trek's form of Apparating, but with no special training required) as well as anyone, she had a phobia about it, and used a shuttle whenever possible. Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:05:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: Copied from a club.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7216 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Copied from a club.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7205] Re: Copied from a club.... Date: 8/18/00 6:05 pm (ET) <<I will correct myself, here, and if one of the founders would be so kind as delete that other one....>> All deleted! Thank you for letting us know. Melanie From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:15:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (Beware, even longer) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7217 From: alicia5270 Subject: OT: US Education (Beware, even longer) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7208] Re: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Date: 8/18/00 6:15 pm (ET) Beware, this post is incredibly long and impossibly OT..... As the daughter of a 5th and 6th grade special education teacher, I'm happy to say that I can understand the amount of work that the 'new breed' of teachers do in order to correct the mistakes made by their long-suffering colleagues. My mother came to the public profession after years in the private-childcare sector (and after developing a curiosity as to exactly *what* people in the school were doing that made her daughter come home from school complaining of boredom), and spent two years trying to convince her supervisors that the best approach to education was *not* "give the kids the answers to the tests so they pass" or "do the work for them". Her approach to education is a little unconventional, and has drawn a bit of criticism from some of the dinosaurs in the department. (Okay, so maybe running your entire lesson plan by your 15-year-old to make sure that it's not dry and boring is a little odd, but my parents *are odd.) Apparently, learning isn't supposed to be fun for the kids at all, as exemplified by the lukewarm reception for teaching past, present, and future tense through Mad Libs. It didn't matter that the kids who participated in that particular exercise performed just as well on the test as the regular-ed kids did, it was different, and the old-timers didn't appreciate someone brand-new coming up with something such as *gasp!* a novel idea. I'm from the state of Massachusetts, which implemented the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System (MCAS) a few years ago. If I were to go into my deep-seeded hatred of this exam, which requires two weeks to be taken out of the educational time of 4th, 8th, and 10th graders in order to administer these absurd things, this posting would be horridly long and angry. If a 10th grade student takes the test and fails, they aren't allowed to graduate from high school until the test is passed. I can understand the need to assess a student's performance, but is a two-week period (right before those nastily exahusting finals) neccessary? Instead of following a curriculum that students would actually learn something from, teachers are being forced to teach 'to' the test. How absurd is the test itself? Well, when I took it in 8th grade (my class, the class of 2003, being the first that has to pass it in order to graduate), I scored in the 'Proficient' category. Now, I'm not trying to sound conceited, but I would hope that my academic performance would be categorized as higher than 'proficient'. The sad part is, I was the only one of my class to score in that area-- everyone else either failed or fell into 'needs improvement'. Would someone mind explaining to me how one of my best friends, a girl who can reprogram the school's entire computer networking system in less than three hours, solve algebraic equations in her head, and will almost certainly be accepted to MIT in three years' time, failed the Science and Technology portion of such an exam? (Okay, off of my MCAS rant. I've got a habit of attacking that test to holy high hell, as seen on my 10-page persuasive argument essay in Freshman English. If you're still reading this to humor me, you're a saint.) This is continued in Part 2-- Yahoo! says that it's too long to post. Sorry, everyone, for boring you to death. --Alicia/Sue "Cont'd." Spinnet From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:15:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: possible answers?(Was:re: James's death) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7218 From: jenP_97 Subject: possible answers?(Was:re: James's death) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7211] James's death Date: 8/18/00 6:15 pm (ET) This is in response to Do's recent post - my message is so long that I'm not going to cut and paste her original questions... bear with me. I'll start with her first comments/questions. I have no good suggestion as to why Peter was so able to keep it a secret from everyone that he was a spy for a whole year. Except that maybe it was just too rediculous for anyone to even suspect. I mean, if you just *can't* see a person being intellectually/emotionally/physically able to do something, it's easy to miss the signs that they are in fact doing that very thing. I suppose that would go towards why sirius entrusted Peter with being the secret-keeper. Because it doesn't take brains to keep a secret - and anyone outside the Maurader's (sp?) friendship wouldn't have thought that James and Lily would have ever considered anyone but their *best* friend. Re: the Fidelius charm w/o Dumbledore. I haven't acutally gone throught PoA with a fine-tooth comb in a while, but I thought they DID do it with help from Dumbledore. About how Dumbledore and Hagrid knew where the Potters lived: well, I assumed that since Peter hadn't kept his secret, the charm had been broken and therefore everyone would be able to see the house again. Sort of like a "reawakening"... Dumbledore knew where the Potters lived *before* the Fidelius Charm, then mysteriously forgot all about it when it was performed. Then, all of a sudden, he thinks to himself, "Crap!" (okay, so Dumbledore would never say that...) "I know where the Potters live! Something must have happened!" and rushed right over there. Just a speculation, of course. I don't know what to say about Remus not believing that Sirius could be innocent. Maybe it was just such a traumatic time for him (he did, after all, lose two of his friends and his third was accused of the crime) that he couldn't bear to think of other possibilities. Besides, if he thought that Sirius had done those things, he would have assumed that Sirius wouldn't have taken their friendship to heart, either, and it would have seemed to him that he'd just been naive to trust him in the first place. Re: Crouch jr's trial. Well, doesn't it say somewhere (in the section where Dumbledore was going over his memories with Harry) that one of the reasons Crouch jr. got a trial was because he was Crouch Sr.'s son? Besides, it wasn't much of a trial, was it? Sort of like a public accusation. Sort of a chance for Crouch Sr. to prove that he wasn't favoring anyone caught as a Death Eater - even his own son. Anyway, sorry for the length - it's been about 3 days since I've started taking classes again myself (at the college where I teach), and I've been too busy and stressed out to even read any of the messages in that time. Good thing that things have slowed down a bit. :) Jen (who hates her job now and wishes she could afford to quit) From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:15:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7219 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Reply To: [Yahoo! #7217] OT: US Education (Beware, even longer) Date: 8/18/00 6:15 pm (ET) Part 2 (If you're still reading, you deserve to be nominated for some sort of award.....) The point of the above was that the state of education must be pretty poor if the smartest kids fail such a test. And that failure really shouldn't be attributed to the kids. I've had a wide array of teachers, from the best and brightest to the most apathetic and agonizing. (I won't even go into the vicious cycle of teachers that comprised my Freshman Physical Science course this year, as the explanation for such is long and twisted.) Ironically enough, the best teacher I've ever had was a man who's been in the field for years and years. However, he seems to keep on coming up with ideas to make literature more interesting to students, and has shocked the supervisors on more than one occasion with his unconventional methods. He didn't teach 'down' to us, as most teachers do; he taught at a level that he saw fit, and expected the rest of the class to work up to that level. For the first time in my academic career, I felt as if I was actually be challenged; and challenged I was. It's a bit of a shock to have a paper handed back to you with, "From anyone else, this would be fantastic. This *is* fantastic. But it's not you. Get out of the habit of writing to please the reader and get into the habit of writing to please yourself. Do this over in all the cynical, sarcastic glory that I expect from you and have in on my desk by next Tuesday," written on the top, but I got used to it. I got so into the habit of speaking my mind that the local newspaper, which usually runs outstanding student essays on various topics, refused to print my papers because, and I quote, they thought that I was "too controversial" and that "this material would shock some of our readers". (Oh, wasn't that my liberal-to-a-fault-mother's proudest day-- she found out that she'd produced a child who could look forward to a life of creative oppression.) The point of *this* tangent was, no matter how terribly educated students are taught, there are a few great teachers in the world who can correct the mistakes of others. Signing off (finally), Alicia/Sue "Feeling Bad For Boring Everyone to Death With This Horribly OT Post" Spinnet From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:16:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever considered.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7220 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Have you ever considered.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7150] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/18/00 6:16 pm (ET) i.e., it doesn't serve the story line at that point in the narrative. It may advance the plot in V,VI or VII but not in IV. Jim From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:25:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7221 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7152] Wizard education of standard subjects Date: 8/18/00 6:25 pm (ET) Vicki, Could the lack of what we call formal education in Chemistry, etc. be one of the reasons wizards are so totally ignorant of the muggle world? Could they live in their own magic worlds using only magic to get along and not needing the usual skills we muggles ( I don't want to be a muggle) find necessary to survive in our world? Thus, they're not taught and so wizards know less about the muggle world? It becomes a cycle. Just a thought Jim From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:36:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo and eGroups merger Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7222 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Yahoo and eGroups merger Reply To: [Yahoo! #7213] Re: Do we like Yahoo? Date: 8/18/00 6:36 pm (ET) <<I hate Yahoo! Posting and reading messages is so tedious... But what's wrong with EGroups? I'm on several lists there, and find it to be very easy to use and full of features.>> As you may or may not know, eGroups and Yahoo Clubs are merging, presumably to bring the "best of both worlds", to both worlds. Penny and I hope, for example, that it brings us the eGroups automated welcome letter feature. Another feature I hope for is the "Files" section on each group. It can include photo and pictue files, but is not limited to them. Right now, both groups have a calendar, a links section, and a chat room. I assume (or at least hope) we'll keep those. In short (I know, too late). I suggest we wait and see how the merger goes before we try to move the group. In fact, if we move it to eGroups, we'll end up where we started. Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 22:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (Beware, Part 2) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7223 From: Danemead Subject: Re: OT: US Education (Beware, Part 2) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7219] Re: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Date: 8/18/00 6:48 pm (ET) Dear Alicia/Sue, As long as you keep coming up with lines like this, I will continue to read even the longest of your posts! Danemead (still chuckling) >>>>>(Oh, wasn't that my liberal-to-a-fault-mother's proudest day -- she found out that she'd produced a child who could look forward to a life of creative oppression.)<<<<<< From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 23:03:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7224 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7193] Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 7:03 pm (ET) Penny, I very much agree with you. I think that Doriane was viewing friendships from an adult point of view. Early teens are still very self involved and can be somewhat insensitive to feelings of others, even their dearest friends, in a totally innocent way. It is part of the growing up process. We hurt our friends and learn that we have and then become aware that our sensitivities and theirs are not disimilar. There's no faster way to learn about anothers feelings than by hurting them, I also think that an early attraction between Ron and Hermione is shown by the early animosity. I know that sounds strange, but it's not unusual for youngsters especially, to feel an attraction and resent it since it makes them feel so out of control. my tupence Jim From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 23:26:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:26:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7225 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Reply To: [Yahoo! #7219] Re: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Date: 8/18/00 7:26 pm (ET) Alicia/Sue, Danemead said it precisely. I look forward to future posts. Jim From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 00:07:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:07:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7226 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7199] Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 8:07 pm (ET) Hello: I joined approximately a week ago-- who wouldn't, after hearing so much about this club on the PoU list? Can't wait for the analysis! Any inkling of an H/H pairing-- and intelligent arguments to back it up-- appeal to me. --Alicia/Sue "Beauty School Dropout" Spinnet From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 00:26:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:26:00 -0400 Subject: " A Sirius Affair" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7227 From: poohbr_65 Subject: " A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/18/00 8:26 pm (ET) Hi all, Just wanted to say that I just finished what there was of "A Sirius Affair" and i just loved it. I have been reading a lot of the fanfic out there (just to tide me over) and some of it is pretty bad but I have found a couple that weren't too bad that I did enjoy. I do have to say that by and large that PoU is the best out there so far IMHO. Just to touch on a few things people have been posting today. I do believe the trio has a strong relationship and friendship. They either don't realize it though or they don't have the security withing themselves to talk about it. Some of the things we do when we are teenagers we look back on when we are adults and just cringe. I look back and see so much I missed out on due to those two reasons. About teachers. I have three children of my own 6, 7 and 8. To me education is the most important thing they can ever have and it is my job as a parent to see that they get it. Being educated wakes us up and sets our minds free to see the world around us for what it is. But children don't just learn in school. They learn from everyone and everything around them. We all have to be teachers in our own way. I do agree that we have to pay our teachers more. I was brought up with the idea you get what you pay for. I work in a casino here in Las Vegas. Every night I watch people win and lose thousands upon thousands of dollars in the blink of an eye and they never complain. (Well not the really big high rollers) But these are the same people that will complain and bitch to high heaven if you want to raise their taxes to support a better school system. This is something that concerns all of us whether we have children or not and we need to see that. Well enough of the rant. I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed SA and tell Penny and Carole I can't wait till you post more. BTW my son's name is Ian, so that makes it a little more special for me. So long till later Shelly From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 00:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:36:00 -0400 Subject: Ian....& Shelly. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7228 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Ian....& Shelly. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7227] " A Sirius Affair" Date: 8/18/00 8:36 pm (ET) I too have an Ian; he's three, and already interested in reading. I am hoping to extend his mind where I can.... From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 00:48:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Siriusly Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7229 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Siriusly Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #7215] Siriusly Apparating Date: 8/18/00 8:48 pm (ET) Thanks Melanie, I sure like this better. >>Maybe he chose not to learn, for one reason or another, like Dr. Pulaski in "Star Trek--The Next Generation". Though she could "beam" (Star Trek's form of Apparating, but with no special training required) as well as anyone, she had a phobia about it, and used a shuttle whenever possible. But I'm inclined to think that the reason he might have chosen not to learn to Apparate was that he *loves* being a dog ! :) Mind you, if I could be a cat, I think I'd spend most of my days wearing fur and whiskers ! Doriane From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:03:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7230 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Sirius Black Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #6950] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/18/00 9:03 pm (ET) You can all have Sirius. I have a crush on Ricky Martin (hence the name of my spell, "Lavidaloca") <|~:' ~Kaitlin From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:24:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Sports Illustrated: text in msg 7127 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7231 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Sports Illustrated: text in msg 7127 Reply To: [Yahoo! #7206] Re: Sports Illustrated Date: 8/18/00 9:24 pm (ET) The text of the Sports Illustrated column is in message 7127. Check it out. It's very cleverly done. Margaret From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:29:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (nice and short) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7232 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: OT: US Education (nice and short) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7217] OT: US Education (Beware, even longer) Date: 8/18/00 9:29 pm (ET) Brookskindy and Danemead, thanks for your replies to my earlier post! I have no patience with bad teachers. I think they should be treated the same way bad doctors are--they should be sued for malpractice. Alicia, *amen* to everything you said! I run many of my lesson plans by my 16 year old sister. Your mom sounds great--I'm sure we could have many a conversation about the warm bodies that are sitting behind teacher's desks all over this country. I think you're awesome. And one of my favorite H/H shippers, to boot! When's the next installment of your latest fic (with Someone the First and co.) coming out? I'm looking forward to it. Rolling up my sleeves to deactivate more land mines as of August 29th, Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:33:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7233 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7115] Equality in sorting Date: 8/18/00 9:33 pm (ET) As noted by either Mr. or Mrs. Weasley, I can't remember which, I'm cautious about something that thinks if I can't see where it keeps its brain. Perhaps it is just some natural law of order that puts the students evenly into the houses. (I have a feeling that Randy can comment on this, based on his take on the # of students.) Have you been watching Survivor? Did you notice how people were voted off (before the Tagi-Pagong union)? Tagi, Pagong, Tagi, Pagong...Male, Female, Male, Female, etc. etc. etc. It didn't seem intentional. ~Kaitlin From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:35:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:35:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7234 From: angelx_ph Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 9:35 pm (ET) Here's what I got from the IMDb: Report: Actor To Play Harry Potter Is Picked Thirteen-year-old Gabriel Thomson of London has won the much-sought-after role of Harry Potter in the film version of J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, the Aint It Cool News Web site reported Thursday. Thomson appeared last year opposite Martin Landau in the critically trashed New Adventures of Pinocchio and in the role of Pip in a BBC production of Great Expectations. I don't know if this is 100% accurate (since the actor is a tad too old for the role). I will be looking around the net for confirmation of this report and looking for a photo of this young actor to see if he's really "Harry Potter". From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:38:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:38:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as womanizer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7235 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Sirius as womanizer Reply To: [Yahoo! #7230] Re: Sirius Black Fans Date: 8/18/00 9:38 pm (ET) Um, something has started to bother me... As I listened to PoA and GoF, I was impressed again by Sirius' character. Although there's some ruthlessness caused by 12 years in Azkaban, he seems to have a lot of wisdom. In GoF, we see that Harry has become the most important person in his life--I like the fatherly tendencies we've see in him. But when I talk to fans and read fanfic, one of the universally held beliefs is that Sirius is a bit of a ladies' man. There is not one shred of evidence in the actual text to back this up IMO! It doesn't even seem to fit his canonical character. And yes, I'm still a card-carrying member of the "We Seriously Love Sirius" club (horrible pun, I know--you can puke now). I just think he gets an undeserved rap, that's all. Ebony AKA AngieJ (happy to post back on topic!) From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:39:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7236 From: jamesf991 Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7234] HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 9:39 pm (ET) There is now a picture of Gabriel Thomson in the "Photos" section. Go to "Possible Cast Members" then go to the second page. The picture is from the BBC "Great Expectations" from last year in which he played "Young Pip." I think he has a great look for Harry Potter, tho a little oldish to play 11. -JamesF From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:46:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7237 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7233] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/18/00 9:46 pm (ET) Kaitlin wrote: "Perhaps it is just some natural law of order that puts the students evenly into the houses. Have you been watching Survivor? Did you notice how people were voted off (before the Tagi-Pagong union)? Tagi, Pagong, Tagi, Pagong...Male, Female, Male, Female, etc. etc. etc. It didn't seem intentional." Actually, I think *Survivor* is very intentional. But that's neither here nor there. (As far as crossing *Survivor* and HP is concerned, the two concepts don't work together. Trust me on this.) I don't think that there necessarily has to be an even number of students in the houses. If there were a precise number of Hogwarts students Sorted into each house every year, if this was at all important to the plot, I'm sure it would have been mentioned by now. I never had the need to know the numbers, and still don't. The only problem I'll have is if there is suddenly a new fifth year Gryffindor girl introduced in Book 5. But watching all the back and forth about the numbers has been sort of like watching a tennis match. Interesting. Ebony AKA AngieJ From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:46:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7238 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7234] HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 9:46 pm (ET) I really don't think 13 is too old to play an 11 year old; at that age the camera seems to shave off a couple years and I don't think it's unusual to get someone a year or two older than the part requires. Two examples that come immediately to mind: Macaulay Culkin was playing, I think, an 8 year old in Home Alone when he was 10, and Frankie Muniz is playing a (roughly) 11 year old on "Malcolm in the Middle", and I think he is 13. Besides, some kids just look younger. I don't think the age is a major factor against Thompson being the one. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:53:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:53:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7239 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7238] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 9:53 pm (ET) "I really don't think 13 is too old to play an 11 year old; at that age the camera seems to shave off a couple years..." But he looks every bit of 13 in that picture, maybe even 14. How long ago was that picture taken? I never thought Harry was a precocious kid; he was always described as short and small. I can't imagine the boy in the picture as an 11 year old fresh out of the cupboard. Maybe for PoA or GoF--and if they *do* make a number of sequels, by GoF he'd look like an adult. Well, maybe his acting makes up for his age. Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 01:58:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7240 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7237] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/18/00 9:58 pm (ET) >>Actually, I think *Survivor* is very intentional. But that's neither here nor there. (As far as crossing *Survivor* and HP is concerned, the two concepts don't work together. Trust me on this.)<< When I wrote my message about "Survivor," what came out did not match up with what I was thinking. I have a summer job as a paper-pushing office girl, and it has had a significant effect on my brain output. :) But trust me on the Survivor thing. In my head it works out, but on paper it needs retooling. Alla prossima, Kaitlin From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:03:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Subject: Closeness of Their Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7241 From: jferer Subject: Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7196] Re: Closeness of Their Friendship Date: 8/18/00 10:03 pm (ET) I don't put too much stock in that kiss. If everybody that kissed me on the cheek was romantically interested, I would have a very complicated life. I agree with you; we *do* forget their ages. They act so above their years already we think of them as adults. They're not. With the press of the struggle against Voldemort, Harry, Ron, and Hermione's friendship is going to develop without a lot of conscious input from them. From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:11:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7242 From: jferer Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7212] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/18/00 10:11 pm (ET) And remember the rule of logic calld "Occam's Razor": The simplest explanation that covers the facts is the correct one. With respect, your explanation requires some gyrations to get the Sorting Hat to put equal numbers in each house. Why is that notion more appealing than taking the Hat's word for it that it puts the students where they ought to be? (And, by inference, letting the chips fall where they may on numbers) From jferer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:14:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Do we like Yahoo? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7243 From: jferer Subject: Re: Do we like Yahoo? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7213] Re: Do we like Yahoo? Date: 8/18/00 10:14 pm (ET) I wish all messages in a thread were together, not just stacked up. But this is better than other types of boards out there. EZ Board is awful. CoolBoard doesn't let you format messages worth a darn. The best forums were on CompuServe in the old days. The threads were together, and I had a little program called TapCIS that let me download all the messages in threads I was interested in, answer them offline, and then load them back. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:17:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7244 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7239] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 10:17 pm (ET) I saw the pic and I'm beginning to think this story (which originally came from aint-it-cool-news.com) is untrue (either that or the picture is wrong). If that is Gabriel Thomson, he's looks WAAAAAYYY too old to be a short, skinny 11 year old (never mind if he's like Frankie Muniz, who's 14 BTW, short and young looking for his age). If Gabriel is in the cast, he must play Oliver Wood or something NOT Harry. Anyway, the studio doesn't OFFICIALLY release the statement until around Monday so we'll know for sure. Oh yeah, I just saw this movie called "My Life So Far". I think the lead actor there, Robert Norman could play Ron Weasley. From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:31:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:31:00 -0400 Subject: Gabriel Thomson Pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7245 From: jamesf991 Subject: Gabriel Thomson Pictures Date: 8/18/00 10:31 pm (ET) I've just posted a second photo, also from Great Expectations. He looks somewhat younger in this one. Maybe it's the lighting, the camera angle or the makeup. -JamesF From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:40:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:40:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7246 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7244] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 10:40 pm (ET) I agree that Gabriel Thomson looks way too old for Harry. Plus he's at that tricky age where he can have a growth spurt in the middle of filming. (Did anyone else notice how Frankie Muniz suddenly looked 14 in the last two episodes of Malcolm in the Middle?) Gabriel might just get away with playing Harry but there would be no hope for him to continue playing him if they were to do sequels. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 02:53:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: Gabriel Thomson Pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7247 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Gabriel Thomson Pictures Reply To: [Yahoo! #7245] Gabriel Thomson Pictures Date: 8/18/00 10:53 pm (ET) He still looks too old, IMO. They have to select someone a tad younger like a 10 or 11 year old. He can't possibly play Harry if he were to do the sequels. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 03:29:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7248 From: davehoz Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7239] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/18/00 11:29 pm (ET) He looks more like Lockhart to me. But that's Show Biz... Stand by for the announcement that Britney Spears will play Hermione... :| From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 04:02:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: Hi from England Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7249 From: dee_97527 Subject: Hi from England Date: 8/19/00 12:02 am (ET) I talked to p_dumbledore (Dennis) earlier today. He is in London. He said that he would look for Diagon Alley tomorrow. To bad he missed the post earlier this week on were to look. We didn't talk long enough for me to look up the message. Diann From nlpnt at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 04:40:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: What year is it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7250 From: nlpnt Subject: What year is it? Date: 8/19/00 12:40 am (ET) Most of us have figured the HP stories as being in the early/mid '90s, since the deathday party in CoS gave the date of Nick's death, 500 years before, as 1492. However, in GoF Harry mentions Dudley throwing his Playstation out the window; this is highly unlikely if it's 1994, and the PS wasn't available until 1996 or '97. Also, remember the part in P/SS with the Dumbledore Famous Wizard card? When he's said to have "defeat(ed) the evil wizard Grindelwald in 1945", I get the distinct notion JKR expects us to think Dumbledore spent roughly the WWII period dealing with this guy (note the Germanic-sounding name). I've heard great things about these "lives". I really must get one. :) From potterpotty at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 04:43:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7251 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Fleur's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7188] Fleur's love life Date: 8/19/00 12:43 am (ET) If I'm not mistaken, Fleur mentioned before she left Hogwarts that she was interested in returning ? Anyway, I think she might return in Book V to work for the MoM and attract the attention of Percy! I don't recall Penelope being featured in GoF so maybe they didn't carry on after leaving Hogwarts. Despite being ambitious and straightlaced about following rules and stuff, it has been showed that Percy does have a mushy side. So despite the possible upheavals in Book V at the MoM which will keep Percy busy, Fleur might be included as a love interest. Ron could continue to get smitten with her but then, being part Veela, she probably has some effect on most guys anyway. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 04:52:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:52:00 -0400 Subject: The Trio's Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7252 From: triner2001 Subject: The Trio's Friendship Date: 8/19/00 12:52 am (ET) I happen to think that the three have an *extremely* close relationship. They don't sit around discussing their friendship because people don't do that kind of thing till they're in college and drinking illegal-to-have Bartles & Jaymes Wine coolers in their dorm rooms at 3 in the morning and they are only 14. Besides, I think that they have sort of reached a place beyond words, especially after Harry's last meeting with Voldemort. Right now none of them are quite ready to have the heavy discussion regarding what happened. But Harry knows, or *should* know, that Ron and Hermione are "lay down in front of traffic for him" sort of friends. They always stick by him during the most difficult times, except for Ron's peeve against Harry re: the Triwizard tourney, but even that was less to do about Harry and more to do with Ron's feelings about chronically being overshadowed by others. In both PoA and GoF all three have attempted hexes and charms simultaneously, cementing their communal thinking. This is a group which will only grow stronger together, no matter what happen in the "shippy" side of life. Trina From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 08:12:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:12:00 -0400 Subject: Hi from England (Diagon Alley) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7253 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hi from England (Diagon Alley) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7249] Hi from England Date: 8/19/00 4:12 am (ET) <<I talked to p_dumbledore (Dennis) earlier today. He is in London. He said that he would look for Diagon Alley tomorrow. To bad he missed the post earlier this week on were to look. We didn't talk long enough for me to look up the message.>> Don't panic, Diann! I spoke to Dennis yesterday and we arranged to go hunting for Diagon Alley on Sunday afternoon. I hope we can find it - I've been saving up for a Nimbus 2000 and a barn owl (which I will call Tintagel). Neil From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 09:21:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:21:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as womaniser Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7254 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sirius as womaniser Reply To: [Yahoo! #7235] Re: Sirius as womanizer Date: 8/19/00 5:21 am (ET) <<But when I talk to fans and read fanfic, one of the universally held beliefs is that Sirius is a bit of a ladies' man. There is not one shred of evidence in the actual text to back this up IMO! It doesn't even seem to fit his canonical character.>> Well, as one of the fanfic authors who like the idea of Sirius being at least vaguely attractive to girls (and I'm not even a member of the 'We Seriously Love Sirius' club, before you ask!), I suppose I ought to try to show my fellow authors' reasoning. First of all, the Sirius I'm talking about is not the man who survived Azkaban. I'm talking about the young Sirius, from before his life was destroyed. I don't believe that the post-Azkaban Sirius is a womaniser. Now, we've got about three lines of information on what Sirius was like before then in the canon, so you'll understand why we have to project our imagination a little. According to Rosmerta, Sirius and his friends were in the pub in the evenings, and they used to make her laugh. Sirius was very bright, a top student, and a troublemaker worse than the Weasley twins, according to Minerva. We also know that he was handsome at the time that Harry's parents got married. And that's about it for the canonical impression of the pre-Azkaban Sirius. I think that it is safe to say that being in Azkaban for twelve years of one's youth is enough to change a character dramatically. Sirius was unrecognisable in appearance when he escaped from Azkaban; he could be almost unrecognisable in character as well. Certainly there is a HUGE difference in his character from PoA to GoF, but that's another story (on which I would appreciate thoughts; it's been bothering me). Therefore, though the post-Azkaban Sirius does not seem to be in any way a womaniser, that doesn't mean he could not have been one before he was imprisoned. The snapshot of Sirius' character before Azkaban does not, to me, rule out the possibility of him being a womaniser, and I've never had any difficulty believing it when it's drawn well in a fanfic. We have only that tiny image to go on, it's up to us to fill in the empty spaces around it, and this particular interpretation seems to me to fit in well. ~Blaise. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 09:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:32:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7255 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Friendship Date: 8/19/00 5:32 am (ET) Okay, my threepence on this... I agree that Harry, Ron and Hermione have a strong friendship. At that age, it's hard to imagine a day when you won't be hanging out with your 'kindred spirits'. You make friends, become possessive about them, and explore the ups and downs of your emotions with them. Later in life, you might still be the best of friends with them, but you might equally have moved on and lost touch. That's life. In my experience, a dislike or misunderstanding is the basis for a very solid kind of friendship. 'Hate' and 'love' are two sides of the same coin, and all that's needed is something to flip it over. That's why Hermione's friendship with the two boys - via the vanquishing of a troll - is so strong. The scene where Harry shares his sweets with Ron on the first Hogwarts Express journey, and later dismisses Draco's remarks, is also very significant. Their friendship was formed in that train carriage - you could almost see the spark, as each realised he'd found the friend he needed. When it comes to sexual relationships, I can understand people wanting to pair off Hermione with Ron or Harry, but I don't want to see that. Okay, it may happen, but it's far more likely that all three will find love elsewhere, and much later. Has anyone here ended up in bed with a friend they met at age 11? JKR is bound to explore the jealousies and traumas of adolescence using her three main characters, but if she throws a H/H engagement party at the end of Book 7, I'll gag. Neil the 'no'-shipper From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 09:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7256 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: The Sorting Hat Date: 8/19/00 5:59 am (ET) Just to reiterate - it was Arthur Weasley who said, "never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain." [CoS-UK, p242]. Talking of which, I guess The Sorting Hat falls into that category. JKR has said that we'll learn more about this 'character' in future books, and we may learn more about the sorting process then. In the meantime, we could question the hat's motives for sorting certain students into certain Houses. I like the idea, proposed by someone earlier, that there may be fewer Gryffindors and Slytherins than members of the other Houses. I think it's fair to say that all the students have a mix of qualities, so it may be that the Sorting Hat looks for the rarer traits of Gryffindor and Slytherin first, and if they are not there, sorts to Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. This would explain why Hermione did not make it to Ravenclaw: her Gryffindor streak took precedence. Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 12:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as a Womanizer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7257 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius as a Womanizer Date: 8/19/00 8:54 am (ET) Hi: Well Blaise beat me to the punch, but I'll elaborate a little more (since Carole & I are definitely making that assumption in our fanfic). As Blaise pointed out, he's portrayed pre-Azkaban as a bright, handsome, wise-cracking kind of guy. He also rode (and loved) his flying motor-bike. This combo of personality traits makes it believable that he was a bit of a womanizer (more believable than if he'd been described as the shy, retiring type say). It's also noteworthy that he hadn't married by the time the Potters had Harry or by the time they were killed 15 mths later. If, as Catlady has theorized, it's true that wizards & witches marry earlier than muggles, than this too might support the notion that Sirius was a bit of a commitment-phobe. I firmly believe that the Potters didn't have Harry immediately after their marriage, so even if they married at age 18, I'm guessing they were early to mid-20s by the time of their deaths. I think they were involved in their career(s) for some period of time before Harry arrived. So, I think it's possible that Sirius was unmarried at 22-25. This would be perfectly normal in the muggle world -- no need for charges of being a commitment-phobic womanizer there. But, it just does seem to fit what we know of his *pre-Azkaban* personality. I guess he could be widowed or divorced & we just don't know it. Catlady has also theorized that divorce is rare in the wizarding world. Or, maybe those slash fic writers have it right after all -- maybe he is gay. <g> Blaise explained that term adequately I think, right Neil? In any case, I think there's enough evidence in the canon for it to be a *reasonable* assumption that he was a bit of a womanizer in his youth. It's not explicitly described --- but the assumption has some grounding in reality in my mind. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 13:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA versus GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7258 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius: PoA versus GoF Date: 8/19/00 9:02 am (ET) Hi: Blaise said: <<<Certainly there is a HUGE difference in his character from PoA to GoF, but that's another story (on which I would appreciate thoughts; it's been bothering me).>>> I'm not sure I know what you're alluding to Blaise -- explain a bit more. I think Sirius played a greater role in GoF than I was originally expecting. I figured he & Harry might exchange a letter or two. I was very pleased to see him taking such a protective stance & active role in communicating both with Harry & with Dumbledore. He seems very eager to fulfill his godfather duties, and he was clearly growing very attached to Harry -- becoming the father-figure that Harry needs. The only thing that comes to mind that bothered me about him in GoF was the business about surviving on rats. Blech!!! I hope he was doing that in his dog form. So --- tell me what you mean by a "huge" & troubling difference in his character from PoA to GoF. I'm puzzled. Maybe I've forgotten something. Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 13:53:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7259 From: selah_1977 Subject: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Date: 8/19/00 9:53 am (ET) As a former no-shipper, I can understand Neil's sentiments. SS and CoS didn't even make me consider the possibility. But then again, when I first started watching the sitcom Boy Meets World as a young teenager, I couldn't have predicted anything sappy developing between Corey and his ultra-weird buddy Topanga.... anyway, back to HP. As I gaze into Trelawney's crystal ball, I do not forsee much fluff in the books to come. After all, Voldemort's back. But... Consider this. When faced with an Armageddon scenario, do people 1) become monkish and deal with the task at hand or 2) tend to be more commitment-minded? We'd like to think #1, right? But Muggle history and basic human biological traits tend to favor #2. I wonder if this is why it seems to us that wizards and witches marry at earlier ages. Reading between the lines, it does seem as if Lily and James married early. But as their time at Hogwarts seems to coincide with the opening of the First Voldemort Age, why wouldn't they put off making a solid commitment until Evil Incarnate was vanquished? (Maybe that's what Sirius and Remus did.) Or at least until they were older? Well, folks, when tomorrow isn't promised, we sentient primates tend to live in the moment. The basic human instinct is survival. That's why the PoU scenario works so well IMO. "There's nothing like an impending crisis to get one to acknowledge long-buried feelings." So psychologically speaking, we shippers in all our colorful varieties aren't just sappy fools. We know that just because the End of the Wizarding World is threatened doesn't mean that its inhabitants will put the rest of life for a more opportune time. Quite the opposite. As for the end of the series, I don't think Neil or any other ardent anti-shipper will need their airplane sickbag. I rather think that as we wave farewell to our fearless trio and their friends, we'll be left with a sense of thankfulness. Sort of like that glad feeling you get after your wake up from a nightmare and realize that it is morning. And after the dawn... well, a thousand theorists and fic writers tell the story much better than I can. But they all seem to say the same thing, in the words of the great children's poet Shel Silverstein: "Then listen closely, child, listen to me, ANYTHING can happen. ANYTHING can be." Ebony AKA AngieJ (president of Sentimental Saps Anonymous) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 13:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as a Womanizer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7260 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Sirius as a Womanizer Reply To: [Yahoo! #7257] Sirius as a Womanizer Date: 8/19/00 9:56 am (ET) <<I guess he could be widowed or divorced & we just don't know it. Catlady has also theorized that divorce is rare in the wizarding world. Or, maybe those slash fic writers have it right after all -- maybe he is gay. <g> Blaise explained that term adequately I think, right Neil?>> Yes, thanks to Blaise for that, although I'm still not quite sure why the slash denotes a gay relationship. Catlady also sent me a note explaining that this had been discussed a bit in HarryPotterAnonymous (which I do visit, but only occasionally). I think Sirius is one of those alluring (non-gay) bachelors, who relishes his independence and hates being tied down. The fact that he is an animagus - and the animal he chose - suggests a wild, untamed streak. I don't see him as a womaniser at all. I see him as a deep and mysterious man, capable of attracting women without resorting to displays of macho behaviour, but rarely getting involved in relationships. When he was younger, I picture Sirius as having been the quieter, moodier friend of the womanising James Potter, pulled into things by James' more outgoing personality. Neil, just into Chapter 3 of PoU and starting to revise his views on fanfic. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 13:58:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:58:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7261 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7258] Sirius: PoA versus GoF Date: 8/19/00 9:58 am (ET) The difference between Sirius in PoA and GoF is really quite worrying, at least for a fanfic writer who thought she had his personality pinned down from his appearance in PoA. Perhaps I was exaggerating with the 'HUGE,' but I can definitely see two different Siriuses. In PoA, Sirius is vengeful and angry, he does not think before he acts and he cannot control his temper at all. In GoF he is responsible, caring, analytical and calm (not to mention choosing the nickname of Snuffles!!). Secondly, in PoA, the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban can easily be seen. In GoF, this experience has only a few cursory mentions. I find it hard to believe he has recovered so fully and so swiftly. Obviously, there are reasons such as the focus of the story and the things that are essential to the plot (in many cases I would suggest plot device as a reason for Sirius' behaviour), and also the fact that the story is told from Harry's POV. JKR obviously wanted a parental figure for Harry, and it makes sense to choose Sirius. But still, I find the two descriptions of Sirius hard to reconcile. I'd love someone to prove me wrong, because I don't like having to deal with two different characters when I write! ~Blaise. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 14:08:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:08:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as a Womanizer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7262 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Sirius as a Womanizer Reply To: [Yahoo! #7257] Sirius as a Womanizer Date: 8/19/00 10:08 am (ET) Penny wrote: "Well Blaise beat me to the punch, but I'll elaborate a little more (since Carole & I are definitely making that assumption in our fanfic)." I didn't know that! I'll have to read ASA again... while your idea of Sirius is exactly how I pictured him, I didn't see him as being inconsiderate enough to have left a trail of broken hearts behind him. Or, if you believe some, worse. And thanks to you and Blaise for your rationales. After PoA I originally thought he was probably a pre-Azkaban catch, too, and this was before I ever met a single HP fan online. I just didn't think that his ability to transform into a canine at will had anything to do with his treatment of women. I guess as I listen, I'm picking up more of a fatherly vibe than I did from my reading. But maybe that's just Jim Dale's great voice interp. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who really needs to get offline and get some work done) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 14:19:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:19:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7263 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7261] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 10:19 am (ET) More Sirius stuff: Neil wrote: "When he was younger, I picture Sirius as having been the quieter, moodier friend of the womanising James Potter, pulled into things by James' more outgoing personality." You've got to be the first person I've ever heard say that. In most MWPP thinking, it was Remus who was quiet and moody, James who was the acknowledged leader, and Peter was tagalong. But it is Sirius who initiates most of the pranks--James is leader of the foursome because he can rein in Sirius' recklessness. Blaise wrote: "In PoA, the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban can easily be seen. In GoF, this experience has only a few cursory mentions. I find it hard to believe he has recovered so fully and so swiftly." It would be interesting to speculate where he went in the summer between PoA and GoF. Harry guessed at some tropical clime. We don't know who he met, what he did, or how he got 12 years of Azkaban out of his system. Somehow, I don't see him just shut up in a Muggle hotel room. I also think that he has a lot more depth of character than we realize at this point. His impulsive and vengeful hunt for Peter landed him in prison for more than a decade. Among other things, Azkaban has probably taught him patience. Then, too, Blaise is right by reminding herself and us that the books are told in Harry's POV. The series isn't about him, and he is only important in this milieu as he relates/is useful to Harry. OK, enough Sirius talk. However, isn't it interesting that he is the only character other than Harry alluded to in a book title so far (PoA)? The rest were inanimate objects and a place. Ebony AKA AngieJ From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 14:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7264 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7261] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 10:23 am (ET) <<In PoA, Sirius is vengeful and angry, he does not think before he acts and he cannot control his temper at all. In GoF he is responsible, caring, analytical and calm (not to mention choosing the nickname of Snuffles!!).>> My guess is that immediately after escaping from Azkaban, Sirius would have had some trouble getting his emotions back on an even keel. We've talked a bit before about the effect the Dementors may have had on his brain. Having been released from the stranglehold put on his feelings, his anger may well have got the better of him. And he did have reason to feel aggrieved, once his senses were enlivened again. By the time of GoF, Sirius would have stablised and reverted to his former cool, pensive and determined character. His main objective seems to be (and probably always was) the protection of Harry, rather than exacting revenge for his false imprisonment. Neil From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 14:29:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7265 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7264] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 10:29 am (ET) "By the time of GoF, Sirius would have stablised and reverted to his former cool, pensive and determined character. His main objective seems to be (and probably always was) the protection of Harry, rather than exacting revenge for his false imprisonment." Are you sure? In PoA, his primary goal seems to be seeking out Peter Pettigrew. Harry's welfare seems to be only on the periphery of Sirius' thinking. Ebony (plowing through FAQ posts and now eagerly looking forward to the one on Sirius) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 14:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 10:50:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7266 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7265] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 10:50 am (ET) <<Are you sure? In PoA, his primary goal seems to be seeking out Peter Pettigrew. Harry's welfare seems to be only on the periphery of Sirius' thinking.>> A bit of both, really. Harry certainly isn't on the periphery of Sirius' thinking! Take this bit from PoA, in which Sirius, having described his time in Azkaban transforming into a dog to trick the Dementors into thinking he'd lost his mind, says: 'But then I saw Peter in that picture ... I realised he was at Hogwarts with Harry ... perfectly positioned to act ...' He goes on to suggest that Pettigrew was waiting to deliver 'the last Potter' to Voldemort. 'If he gave them Harry, who'd dare say he'd betrayed Lord Voldemort?' He realises he is the only one who can do something, the only one who can track down Pettigrew and stop him from delivering Harry to Voldemort. That's why he breaks out of Azkaban. Neil From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:01:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:01:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7267 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7266] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 11:01 am (ET) <<<'But then I saw Peter in that picture ... I realised he was at Hogwarts with Harry ... perfectly positioned to act ...'>>> OK, I see exactly what you're saying. I agree with you. I'm still interested in reading the previous discussion of Sirius' post-Azkaban mental state. Some of his actions in PoA don't lend themselves to a portrait of a "level-headed, rational man" are IMO are bothersome even in retrospect. Ebony AKA AngieJ (halfway through with her FAQ assignment <g>) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7268 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 11:04 am (ET) Hi: <<<I think Sirius is one of those alluring (non-gay) bachelors, who relishes his independence and hates being tied down. The fact that he is an animagus - and the animal he chose - suggests a wild, untamed streak. I don't see him as a womaniser at all. I see him as a deep and mysterious man, capable of attracting women without resorting to displays of macho behaviour, but rarely getting involved in relationships.>>> I think I agree with that mostly. I don't see him as a womanizer in the sense of "resorting to macho behavior" to attract women. I think he was naturally alluring to women & dated quite alot, but resisted commitment on all levels. He was kind of a "2-3 dates" with any one woman kind of guy. Maybe it's the definition of "womanizer" that's causing problems. Maybe commitment-phobe is a better term. <<<When he was younger, I picture Sirius as having been the quieter, moodier friend of the womanising James Potter, pulled into things by James' more outgoing personality.>>> I have to agree with Ebony here. I see Remus as being the quiet moody one. Pettigrew was clearly the "hanger-on." James was the leader -- outgoing, popular, Head Boy, Quidditch star, top marks -- but not a womanizer. I have the perception somehow that he only had eyes for Lily. I don't know where I got that idea. Sirius, on the other hand, is reckless, a jokester on the lines of the Weasley twins. Also, smart, popular & witty but more caustic, more impulsive. Neil -- hope you & Prof Dumbledore (Dennis) have a great time in Diagon Alley tomorrow. I had to look up Tintagel in the Webster's -- I did just order "British Myths & Legends" from a book club, so hopefully I will be more up on the Arthurian legends. In any case, it sounds like a fine name for your barn owl. <g> And Neil, the "no-shipper," I (like Ebony) used to be a mild R/H shipper with mostly "no-shipper" tendencies, believe it or not. <g> PoU completely converted me, so watch out! You could be a rabid H/H shipper like Ebony & I by the time you're done with PoU. I don't think there will be a H/H engagement party at the end of Book 7 in any case. Most of us H/H shippers see it as a post-Hogwarts relationship (based more or less on PoU). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:20:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius -- PoA v GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7269 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sirius -- PoA v GoF Date: 8/19/00 11:20 am (ET) Hi: I can't believe the ultimate Sirius fan, Carole, is missing out on all these discussins. I feel sure she will add her 2 galleons when she logs in. Anyway . . . Sirius in PoA is vengeful & angry. I agree with Neil though -- Harry's welfare seems to me to be the primary motivation for his escape & his attempts to kill/capture Pettigrew. In GoF, we see a Sirius who has had some time to reflect a bit. He's reasonable enough to realize that attempting to find Pettigrew at that point is fighting a losing battle. But what he can do is take all measures to protect Harry. Sirius has lived through the first Voldemort reign, and consequently, he seems to be recognizing the signs of trouble early on (and communicating with Dumbledore about this we learn later). <<<Secondly, in PoA, the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban can easily be seen. In GoF, this experience has only a few cursory mentions. I find it hard to believe he has recovered so fully and so swiftly.>>> Well, Harry thinks Sirius looks healthier in GoF, but I believe there is more than one reference to his eyes still having a haunted look. He also had enough strength of character to truly resist succumbing entirely to the Dementors during his time in Azkaban -- he kept his ability to transform & retained some measure of sanity in the process. This suggests that he might well bounce back from Azkaban more quickly than others. Blaise noted that plotline & Harry's POV can explain some of the alleged inconsistencies. True. It's also worth noting that GoF doesn't present any real opportunities for Sirius to exercise the hot-temper, vengefulness & other PoA-like characteristics. His role in GoF is advising & protecting Harry. Penny From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:32:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7270 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7192] Oxford, Snape/Harry, Draco/Hermione Date: 8/19/00 11:32 am (ET) Blaise, Scott, Simon: Are you all Oxford students/prospective students/alumni? I may be joining your ranks soon. I just got a letter from my school (I'm a junior at the University of Hartford) saying that I am eligible to apply for a 2-year Oxford scholarship. If I get it, I would be going to Hertford College to study Modern Languages (mostly Spanish). The whole concept of going to school so far away is very scary and very exciting at the same time! But from what I have read so far, it seems like a wonderful place. ~Kaitlin From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7271 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7268] Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 11:32 am (ET) <<I have to agree with Ebony here. I see Remus as being the quiet moody one. Pettigrew was clearly the "hanger-on." James was the leader -- outgoing, popular, Head Boy, Quidditch star, top marks -- but not a womanizer. I have the perception somehow that he only had eyes for Lily. I don't know where I got that idea.>> Okay, I take back the idea that James was a womaniser. I suppose I should have implied 'popular with women and at ease with them' rather than just continuing with the term womaniser. I think there are some references to James and Sirius being troublemakers along the lines of the Weasley twins, without suggesting which of them might be leading the other. So, there's sense of fun in there too in Sirius' early days. Much of that was probably wiped by his days in Azkaban. I think Remus and Sirius could both be introverts. James is perhaps the only one of the Marauders with an extrovert personality. Snape called him 'arrogant,' which we can translate as 'popular-through-a-screen-of-jealousy. I think the others took James' lead, and Sirius was his first lieutenant. Neil From anatty at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:34:00 2000 From: anatty at yahoo.com (anatty) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: Reuters - British Teenager to Play Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7272 From: anatty Subject: Reuters - British Teenager to Play Harry Date: 8/19/00 11:34 am (ET) Hi everyone, Just checked Yahoo! news and they said that Harry was cast - to that boy Gabriel you were talking about... Here's the full story: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000818/re/arts_potter_dc_2.html Has anyone seen him act? Have a *great* day! 8^) Anat http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/fulbourne/1048/ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 15:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7273 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Date: 8/19/00 11:41 am (ET) Hi: Neil wrote: <<<I think Remus and Sirius could both be introverts. James is perhaps the only one of the Marauders with an extrovert personality.>>> That's interesting in light of the Myers/Briggs discussions we had a few months back. All the "sorting" functions based on personality types put extroverts into Gryffindor or Slytherin. I'm a Gryffindor except for the fact that I'm an introvert, which places me in Hufflepuff under those tests. So, do you believe the Marauders were all in different Houses or the same House? There are at least two schools of thought on that question it seems -- ooh, perhaps another FAQ. Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 16:03:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:03:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7274 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7270] Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 12:03 pm (ET) >The whole concept of going to school so far away >is very scary and very exciting at the same >time! One of my close friends here spent a semester at exchange at the University of Volgograd, Russia, which was *really* neat for her. Go for it. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 16:06:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:06:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius -- PoA v GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7275 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Sirius -- PoA v GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #7269] Sirius -- PoA v GoF Date: 8/19/00 12:06 pm (ET) >This suggests that he might well bounce back from >Azkaban more quickly than others. Didn't others get the impression that he may have found himself a nice little tropical island paradise to rest and recuperate on? And he had at least 3 months or so to recover. That might leave you haunted but a lot more relaxed.... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 17:59:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: LastHeir (was Have you ever consider Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7276 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: LastHeir (was Have you ever consider Reply To: [Yahoo! #7148] Re: Have you ever considered.... Date: 8/19/00 1:59 pm (ET) > Don't forget Brooks' theory. Its the one I like. That Harry was born (or perhaps even specially conceived) under a prophecy I've been thinking about why Harry Potter, Draco Malfoy, Gregory Goyle and Vincent Crabbe (and a student surnamed Nott) are all the same age. (Maybe it's a co-incidence and for all we know, there are zillions of little Crabbes and Goyles and Notts, so Harry would be in the same year as SOME Of them NO MATTER WHAT age he was -- but Draco never has a sibling with him when Harry runs into him outside Hogwarts with his father, so I doubt he has a sibling old enough to be in school.) So, my free-range speculation says MAYBE there was a prophecy, or an astrological prediction or something, about a child who would be born on a certain day, and V ordered his DEs to have children aiming for that day so that the child would be on his side ... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:03:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: Bizarre relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7277 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Bizarre relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7153] Bizarre relationships Date: 8/19/00 2:03 pm (ET) > Rita Skeeter and Gilderoy Lockhart Bizarre indeed! My jaw dropped open the first six times I read it! But the seventh time, I realised that it would have been a very good deal for the pre-CoS Lockhart and pre-jar Skeeter: her newspaper articles could help his career of self-glorification and publicity, and her investigative reporting could learn of more heroic deeds for him to claim. And their similar careers would help them understand each other. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:06:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi & werewolves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7278 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Animagi & werewolves Reply To: [Yahoo! #7162] Re: Animagi & werewolves Date: 8/19/00 2:06 pm (ET) > Wow! I love these complicated, in-depth discussions! I love your thoughtful essay-question answers. > I think [the Homorphus Charm] is all a product of Lockhart's imagination. Either that or the charm causes some sort of great harm to the werewolf, so that nobody who cared for the werewolf would ever use it on him. Ooh, I like the idea that the Charm turns the werewolf into a human who is so profoundly retarded that he can't live outside a sheltered workshop! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius, Apparating ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7279 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius, Apparating ? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7165] Sirius, Apparating ? Date: 8/19/00 2:10 pm (ET) > PS : what did they do with his wand when they sent him to Azkaban ? It would be logical for the wands of wizards sent to Azkaban to be ritually snapped in two and then destroyed. But whoever said MoM was logical? Maybe they keep them in trophy cases in the Magical Law Enforcement division's Black Museum. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:28:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius's wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7280 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sirius's wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #7279] Re: Sirius, Apparating ? Date: 8/19/00 2:28 pm (ET) <<PS : what did they do with his wand when they sent him to Azkaban?>> Perhaps, like catlady said, the wands of prisoners are snapped, or kept somewhere. Or they might be sold to raise a bit of money for the Ministry. After all, some wizards do use second-hand wands - Ron had one until he broke it. ~Blaise. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:28:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Teachers' Jobs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7281 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Reply To: [Yahoo! #7210] Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Date: 8/19/00 2:28 pm (ET) > I think teachers are RESPECTED... I DON'T think teachers are respected! Public school teachers, anyway. Maybe I hang out with too many Libertarians who say that public school teachers must be useless parasites living on the taxpayers' money because of being government employees, and too many engineers who say that teacher are not underpaid: "Sure, they're not paid as much as engineers, but they AREN'T engineers". But I read all this stuff about politicians calling for competency tests for teachers and increased ease of firing teachers and punishments for teachers whose students don't do well on standardised tests and blaming every bad thing in the world on teachers' unions, and it seems to me that they are trying to appeal to that group of voters (which they must believe is a LARGE group, or they wouldn't spend so much time pandering to it) who believe that all problems with public schools (and unsupervised children after school) are caused by teachers deliberately trying to harm the students by not teaching them. While surely some of the disdain against teachers comes from the fact that they do a laborious, stressful, and badly paid job, thus "proving" that they couldn't meet the qualifications for a better job, perhaps some comes from voters' memories of their own miserable school days. ALICIA-SUE SPINNET wrote eloquently about the boredom of bright (and even average) students forced (by the anti-tracking ideologues) into untracked classes taught at the level and speed of the remedial students, altho' she left out the teachers who turn into Snape when confronted with a bright student (I always suspected that the reason that Mr E--, one of my high school math teachers, hated all of us students, is that it was left over from hating all the classmates who did better than him in his high school and college). Alicia-Sue also mentioned the general attitude that making learning be fun for the students is a SIN. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:33:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:33:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7282 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7273] Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Date: 8/19/00 2:33 pm (ET) You know I've wondered about this. Here's what I think. James obviously was in Gryffindor. We all pretty much believe he was the heir (passing this to Harry) so Gryffindor is the obvious choice. Peter, being the little worm that he is, I see in Slytherin. He may not have the potential for greatness, but the bad stuff is enough to put him there. Remus I see in Hufflepuff. With his "problem" I see him off by himself and introverted. The rest of the Marauders were the ones to bring him out so I say Hufflepuff for him. Sirius is the only one I have trouble with. He's smart, smart enough to pull pranks, so that would say Ravenclaw. But I believe he was in Gryffindor too. For one he is James' best friend, or that's just how I see it. So that would mean they probably spent a lot of time together. And he reminds me of the twins when he was younger, so I would say Gryffindor. Well that's just my opinion worth 2 knuts or not. Shelly From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:39:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: James's death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7283 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: James's death Reply To: [Yahoo! #7211] James's death Date: 8/19/00 2:39 pm (ET) > 2. Sirius suggested Peter as Secret-Keeper instead of himself ! Oh, come on ! Sirius being who he is would *never* have entrusted anyone else with such a sacred task, at least not without keeping a very close eye on them ! Sirius DID keep a close eye on Peter. He checked on Peter frequently. On the night in question, he dropped by Peter's home to check on him, found Peter absent with no sign of a struggle, and that is why he immediately rushed to Godric's Corner. > 3. They performed the Fidelius Charm without the help of Dumbledore !? Great wizards they were indeed, James and Sirius (or maybe even James alone ?) Well, they WERE. > 4. If the location of James and Lily's house was hidden inside Peter's head, how come Sirius and Dumbledore knew about it (snip), but what would have happened if V *had* gone after Sirius as they supposed he would : since Sirius knew where they were, how would he have kept it secret ? Well, I think the "going after Sirius" on the theory he was the Secret-Keeper would have consisted of capturing him and torturing him to reveal the Secret rather than following him as he travelled. Our Sirius would never break under torture, but he may have feared that they had powerful Dark magic to extract the secret from his heart once he was dead. But following him just would not have worked, because the magic of the Fidelius Charm would prevent it from working. I have to re-read the text on Fidelius Charm again, but right now I speculate the Charm does not remove the secret knowledge from the minds of non-Secret-Keeeper trusted friends, only from the minds of outsiders. So it was not removed from Sirius's and Albus;s minds, but would have been instantly removed from the mind of anyone they told it to -- which implies that Hagrid was one of the trusted friends who already knew the location, or Albus could not have sent him there. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:48:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7284 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7274] Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 2:48 pm (ET) I think we got started on the subject of colleges when we were trying to figure out the Wizard equivalent of Oxford. But I am starting college in two weeks here in America, which makes me wonder if there could be any Wizard Schools hidden away somewhere on a campus in the states. Maybe there's one buried, like Gringott's, a couple miles below ground, underneath Columbia in New York. Or maybe the Harvard Business School is overshadowed in the Wizarding World by the Harvard Wizarding School. Which also makes me wonder about the existence of American euquivalents of Hogwarts. It was interesting learning about Beaxbatons and Durmstrang, but there are probably at least two or three wizard schools in the States, since they would have to cover a larger area and population than the British Isles. I wonder where they could be hidden away---somewhere mountainous, I would think, and sparsely populated. I for one would like to see an American wizard or two in Books 5, 6, or 7---not as a major chatacter, but just to give an idea of what wizardry would be like in the U.S. Given Harry Potter's huge popularity over here, it would be a nice touch that would make us Yanks happy. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:53:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7285 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7261] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/19/00 2:53 pm (ET) > The difference between Sirius in PoA and GoF is really quite worrying(snip) I can definitely see two different Siriuses. >in PoA, the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban can easily be seen. In GoF, this experience has only a few cursory mentions. I find it hard to believe he has recovered so fully and so swiftly. > In PoA, Sirius is vengeful and angry, he does not think before he acts and he cannot control his temper at all. In GoF he is responsible, caring, analytical and calm. PoA: being vengeful, angry, and out of control is PART of the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban. Maybe I should make an analogy to being cranky and irritable while beginning to get over a flu or other disease that completely knocked one down for a while. Or maybe I should go off on the subject of Dementors being a personification of major depression (JKR said so!), and one of the problems with mental illness is it can interfere with the patient's thinking processes. GoF: being responsible, caring, analytical, and calm is part of having recovered. 'Recovered' doesn't mean being the SAME 'wild boy' he was before Azkaban (I'm about to reply to message #7271 on that subject) -- many of my Muggle friends gradually got into brand-new habits like thinking before they act, due to children and car payments and the slower recovery times of aging bodies, and Sirius did the same in a much more dramatic set of circumstances. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 18:56:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7286 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #7284] Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 2:56 pm (ET) In chapter six, Arthur makes the comment that some of the most accomplished wizards don't apparate, that instead they prefer broomsticks. Since Sirius had a motorcycle, perhaps he was one of them? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:06:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7287 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7271] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 3:06 pm (ET) > I think Remus and Sirius could both be introverts. James is perhaps the only one of the Marauders with an extrovert personality. Here is a reason to suspect that Sirius was wilder than James: Sirius was the one who 'played the practical joke' of telling Severus to follow Remus down the secret passage -- which would have resulted in Severus being bitten and probably killed by a werewolf, which would have been good riddance. And James was the one who risked himself to rush down the passage and stop Severus from encountering the werewolf, even tho' it seems he hated Severus as much as Sirius did. Yes, James was risking himself. If Severus had enough of a head start that James couldn't stop him before he reached the werewolf, then he would have been jumping between werewolf and victim. And even if he had transformed into Prongs to be an equal fighter, he still risked being bitten in the fight. Sirius clearly wasn't thinking ahead or being responsible when he pulled that stunt. Killing his classmate Severus might be no big deal, and he might have been confident that no one would have found out that he himself was involved, but what of the consequences to his friend Remus? Not thinking at all! While it suddenly occured to me that perhaps James was not being a noble jerk by heroically saving a human life despite whose life it was, but was actually acting to save REMUS. Who, incidentally, must have quite a limited form of introversion if he can STAND to be a schoolteacher and stand in front of multiple classes of multiple children all day. I can't stand either children or public speaking, but one of my friends did love children, started majoring in Education and became some kind of assistant to an middle-school teacher, and discovered that he had panic attacks whenever he had to stand in front of the class and talk. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:08:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7288 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7282] Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Date: 8/19/00 3:08 pm (ET) I think they all were in Gryffindor. I just don't see Wormtail being accepted by the rest if he were in Slytherin, and I don't think there is a reason to believe Lupin was in Hufflepuff. There is not enough evidence to make me believe that he was an extreme introvert, just fairly quiet and thoughtful. And I think it is wrong to believe that Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws are more introverted than Gryffindors and Slytherins. I think the way it can be generalized is: Slytherins are ambitious; Gryffindors, brave; Ravenclaws, clever; Hufflepuffs, hardworking. Whether or not anybody is outgoing or not is not really relevant unless it is connected to their having the distinguishing quality of their house. "But Wormtail was a coward," you might argue, which would make it unlikely that he be in Gryiffindor. But I think he was placed in Gryffindor because he had the potential for bravery, that he just never recognized. He didn't choose to live up to his potential, which is where his major failing lay. I think he might have seemed a lot like Neville while he was at school, and Neville may not seem brave on the surface, but he clearly has more to him underneath. I think Wormtail did too, but he wasted his chance for bravery. As for Lupin, underneath his thoughtful demeanor, I think he has a wry sense of humor that might have contrasted well with Sirius and James's practical joking. And going through life the way he is having to deal with his monthly transformations indicates that he is very brave indeed. He could have just shut himself away from people, but he at least tries to deal with his problem instead of avoiding it. So his bravery marks him as a Gryffindor, presumably like James, Sirius, and Wormtail. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:08:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7289 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7270] Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 3:08 pm (ET) I am a current Oxford Undergraduate. I have one year left of my course and then I have to find something to fill a few more years of my life. "Hertford College to study Modern Languages (mostly Spanish)." My college! Not my subject! "But from what I have read so far, it seems like a wonderful place." It is a wonderful place. I hvae enjoyed my three years and cannot wait for the next one to start. Only another holiday and the Olympics to go until I will be back. Kaitlin: If you want any more info then it would probably be best ot e-mail me (simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk) as this is a little off-topic for the group. Simon From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:10:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: Harry and kids... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7290 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Harry and kids... Date: 8/19/00 3:10 pm (ET) Well my cousins have left after spending the night w/ us. They have two boys, one 8, and the other 11. Both read and enjoy Harry Potter, but sadly a could not foster a disscusion w/ them. The 8 yr. old has started PoA, and his mother doesn't think the book is too scary for him. I really think it is a parental decision... Well, i have to catch up on the messages now. Scott From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:12:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: James and Sirius. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7291 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: James and Sirius. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7287] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 3:12 pm (ET) I have always got the impression that James acted to keep Sirius in check and make sure he didn't do anything that was too stupid. Someone said earlier that was James was a Quidditch Hero, Head Boy, got good marks... He sounds too perfect to be true. Good at everything, no wonder he found a few enemies. Simon From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 19:16:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:16:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7292 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7287] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 3:16 pm (ET) Here's a wayward thought. Remus bit Sirius during the fight by the entrance to the tunnel in PoA. If lycanthropy is contagious via bite, wouldn't Sirius now be were? Or did the form he was in, the dog, give him immunity, or perhaps the contagion (sp) isn't passed via bite. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:21:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:21:00 -0400 Subject: Age question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7293 From: heiditandy Subject: Age question Date: 8/19/00 4:21 pm (ET) I just flipped thru the beginnings of PoA again, and noted (or was reminded) that Hermione's birthday is in September - which left me with a question - is she 10 months older than, or 2 months younger than, Harry? When is the normal cutoff day for schoolyears in the UK? Here in the US, it's generally either August 31, September 30 or sometimes December 31, but some people (like me) skip to the higher year (I have a January birthday) - would it make more sense for her to be a good amount older, or a little bit younger? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:26:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius as womaniser Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7294 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Sirius as womaniser Reply To: [Yahoo! #7254] Re: Sirius as womaniser Date: 8/19/00 4:26 pm (ET) <<Certainly there is a HUGE difference in his character from PoA to GoF, but that's another story (on which I would appreciate thoughts; it's been bothering me).>> I just want to think that he went south, spent about 8 weeks sitting on a beach, staring at the ocean and eating steaks and strawberries, and got his mind back together again. Never underestimate the power of spending August on the Mediterranean. :) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:28:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:28:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo's flaking out again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7295 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Yahoo's flaking out again Date: 8/19/00 4:28 pm (ET) Look to the left, and see how our founder's name is! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:31:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7296 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7237] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/19/00 4:31 pm (ET) My mind is wandering over to Enid Blyton's Mallory Towers books (for those in the US who aren't familiar with them - it's a series of 6 books about a dorm of girls at a british boarding school ) - usually each year a new girl was introduced - either a transferee or an exchange student - I wouldn't be surprised if another Beauxbatons student or 2 followed Fleur to Hogwarts on some sort of exchange program - and what if a bunch of Durmstrangs join Hogwarts because they no longer have a head of the school? WOuld they go right into Slytherin or would they get sorted? Is sorting only for first years or if someone started at Hogwarts in a later year would they be sorted too? From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:56:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7297 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #7286] Apparating Date: 8/19/00 4:56 pm (ET) The motorcycle, of course !! That's the explanation I was looking for ! Yes, it makes sense : Sirius would have preferred to travel using his motorbike, and so he kept Buckbeak with him precisely because it kind of reminded him of that time ! Thanks ! Doriane From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 20:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7298 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: PoA in French Reply To: [Yahoo! #6838] PoA in French Date: 8/19/00 4:56 pm (ET) > Just got back from Quebec and as a true HP fan ought, I purchased a copy of PoA in French there. To my great surprise, a lot of the names were different. Can you tell us what words the French translator used for JKR's 'wizard', 'witch', 'warlock' (in PoA there was a group rowdy warlocks in the Three Broomsticks, altho' I don't recall any mention of Warlock's Convention of whatever year)? And I don't recall if 'sorceror' or 'soceress' were used in PoA. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:00:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Aside.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7299 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7298] Re: PoA in French Date: 8/19/00 5:00 pm (ET) Rita, It's sorta funny that you and I have so much in common: COBOL, Wicca, HP! :) Dee From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:07:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7300 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: OT: US Education Reply To: [Yahoo! #7219] Re: OT: US Education (Beware, even longe Date: 8/19/00 5:07 pm (ET) Hurrah! Your posts are always insightful, and I enjoy reading them. I have, in the past, had teachers who, while rigorous in providing sundry assignments of "busy work" never seem to come across with anything more than numbers and formulas. There are many teachers who will say "Whether you pass or fail, I'll still be here." It is people like that who make you wonder, why anyone would WANT to become a teacher. Then there are the sporadic teachers who I find really care about their subject, and truely want their students to lean. I have taken that our own Ebony aka AngieJ is one of these. I have had at least two teachers who made me think why, and encouraged the possibilities, opening my own eyes to a plethora of things otherwise un-thought-of. There are also Teachers who have rejected me simply because I always get my work done first, and make good grades. That was really hard for me to deal with, as I am used to teachers who want students to be as punctual as possible and only encourage doing better. Finally Alicia/Sue "quite insightful" Spinnet, I happen to be in the same year as you. I also loathe Standardized test because, while have no trouble passing them, there our many I know who certainly aren't "dumb" might might be labeled so by these tests results. Scott (Who seems to be droning on as much as the teachers of whom he is being skeptical) Gosh! After reading this I surely hopw I don not sound too full of myself, as I did not mean to make this a self-glorifying post!! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:20:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: Hi from England Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7301 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Hi from England Reply To: [Yahoo! #7249] Hi from England Date: 8/19/00 5:20 pm (ET) Hi Diann Met with Dennis (p_dumbledore) this evening. He seems to be enjoying his stay in London. He hopes to be able to chat on Sunday evening (around 7pm onwards UK time) for the usual Sunday chat - he's found an Internet Cafe not far from the hotel. Neil... good luck with finding Diagon Alley. Nick. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:20:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: AmericanWizardSchools(wasOxfordagain Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7302 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: AmericanWizardSchools(wasOxfordagain Reply To: [Yahoo! #7284] Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 5:20 pm (ET) > Which also makes me wonder about the existence of American euquivalents of Hogwarts. I love this topic! There have been a few threads about it in the past. Smitster1 has put the postings from 0 to 6000-something into flat files that can be downloaded from http://members.xoom.com/hpfg/ for purposes of searching for a character string. I don't want to download those big files so I look at the archive on-line even tho' it doesn't have a search function (g'rrr). I find that I started one thread on this topic with message #2953. While most of the threads I found on this subject have relevant subject titles (because I didn't look at many irreleveant subject titles?), some appear under the name of Re: Hats - Latest Evidence, such as messages #5654, #5817, #5865. Go also to messages #5868, #5876, #5890. Use the thread-following features that Yahoo does give us despite the lack of search function. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:23:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius : PoA vs GoF, and Pre-Azkaban Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7303 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Sirius : PoA vs GoF, and Pre-Azkaban Reply To: [Yahoo! #7294] Re: Sirius as womaniser Date: 8/19/00 5:23 pm (ET) <<Certainly there is a HUGE difference in his character from PoA to GoF, but that's another story (on which I would appreciate thoughts; it's been bothering me).>> I think we've overlooked one major change in Sirius' situation between PoA and GoF : in PoA, he was *alone*, and obsessed with the idea that Peter might kill Harry or hand him to V and that nobody knew about it or could help him prevent it from happening. While in GoF, he's got allies and friends caring for him and working with him : Dumbledore, Remus, and maybe others, not to mention, of course, Harry, Ron and Hermione. Who knows how much Dumbledore and Remus have helped him overcome his Azkaban trauma ? After all, we know he talked to Dumbledore before escaping from Hogwarts, but we don't know *what* they talked about (apart from Peter's betrayal of course). It could be for example that Dumbledore told him about V trying to return back to power and that he (Sirius) would be particularly helpful in fighting this, which would help him regain his sense and control over his emotions. And at the end of GoF, Dumbledore tells him to go to Lupin's and he goes without asking questions which implies IMO that he knows where Remus lives : maybe he's already been here recently, maybe that's where he was before returning to Hogwarts (nobody ever said werewolves couldn't live in tropical countries !) As for what kind of person he was pre-Azkaban, I quite agree with those who see him as not too extroverted and quite moody. That would fit with what he did to Severus. I mean, I'm quite introverted and moody myself, which means that I usually keep my feelings inside, which would be all right if there weren't people ( very few of them !) who just irritate me so much they make me want to ... er, yes, kill them ! While my more extroverted friends just tend to want to fight them. So I would rather see James as a fighting extroverted person, and Sirius as a rather introverted but boiling inside person. And that would explain why he didn't think about what would happen to Remus had his plan worked : when I'm erupting (very rarely, hopefully), I just don't care about *anything*, and particularly about who I might hurt, I just need to vent my anger. And again, consider what he did to Harry, strangling him just to get rid of him in order to get to Peter. We all agree he's always cared about Harry, but he just forgot it because he was so angry at Peter. Hope I made sense. Doriane From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:32:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7304 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7284] Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/19/00 5:32 pm (ET) >>Which also makes me wonder about the existence of American euquivalents of Hogwarts.<< In the women's studies department at my school there is a course on American witchcraft! ~Kaitlin From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:33:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Teachers' Jobs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7305 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Reply To: [Yahoo! #7281] Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Date: 8/19/00 5:33 pm (ET) >and too many engineers who say that teacher are not underpaid: >"Sure, they're not paid as much as engineers, but they AREN'T engineers". Speaking as an engineer, those others should be more logical than that! OK, maybe they shouldn't be paid as much as engineers (when teachers screw up, people grow up with less potential than they should. When engineers screw up, people die visibly in horrible accidents like bridges falling down.) But that doesn't mean that teachers shouldn't be paid more than they are, even if not as much as we make! There is a big range there! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: James and Sirius (and Remus). Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7306 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: James and Sirius (and Remus). Reply To: [Yahoo! #7291] Re: James and Sirius. Date: 8/19/00 5:35 pm (ET) > Someone said earlier that was James was a Quidditch Hero, Head Boy, got good marks... He sounds too perfect to be true. Good at everything, no wonder he found a few enemies. And a big-time rule-breaker, and (I get the impression) so charming that he would have been popular even if he hadn't been an athlete and rule-breaker. I don't know that ANYONE hated him personally except Snape. Snape who was motivated by envy as you imply. Snape who said that James had nothing going for him except 'a small amount of talent on the Quidditch pitch', pretending that James had been nothing but a dumb jock when really James had gotten better grades than he did. Since (was it McGonagall) said that James and Sirius were the cleverest students in their year, Severus couldn't have been higher than THIRD place. It beats me why the people reminiscing at The Three Broomsticks about James and Sirius, and that fat little boy who tagged after them, didn't say one word about Remus being another of the clique. If McGonagall, say, had mentioned him by first name only, Harry wouldn't have found out ahead of schedule that Lupin had known his father. Speaking of which, in PoA, Trelawney comes down to Christmas dinner and asks "where is dear Professor Lupin?" and remarks that he "positively fled when she offered to crystal gaze for him. I *think* the intended implication of his absence was that it was one of his sick nights (and WHY does he take off the day before instead of the day after, when he is in Worse Condition the day after???) and perhaps that he avoided the crystal gazing lest she somehow hit upon the truth. But on recent re-reading, I got the idea that he may have fled the offered crystal gazing from fear that Trelawney might take the opportunity of getting him alone to grab his -- I mean, to try to kiss him. And then that he avoided Christmas Dinner to avoid Trelawney -- who intended in hope of catching him. A bit of by-play that Harry wouldn't have noticed, that even Ron wouldn't have noticed because he's still young enough to think that professors are too old for that stuff. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:45:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7307 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7292] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 5:45 pm (ET) By: GypsyCaine Date: 8/19/00 3:16 pm Here's a wayward thought. Remus bit Sirius during the fight by the entrance to the tunnel in PoA. If lycanthropy is contagious via bite, wouldn't Sirius now be were? Or did the form he was in, the dog, give him immunity, or perhaps the contagion (sp) isn't passed via bite. ****************************** Lupin says in the shreiking shack that a werewolf is only danger to people...so if Lupin werewolf bit Sirius as a dog he would not have been effected. carole who is Siriusly bummed she missed out on the Sirius discussion today...and is getting a response together now to weigh in on her favorite character. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:45:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7308 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: PoA in French Reply To: [Yahoo! #7298] Re: PoA in French Date: 8/19/00 5:45 pm (ET) I can't believe someone here talked about HP in French and I missed it ! I *knew* I should have read all those messages that were posted while I was on holiday ! Catlady : I believe Blaise will tell you that 'wizard' is 'sorcier', 'witch' is 'sorci're', but it can also be 'magicien' and 'magicienne', or even 'mage' (and 'mage' :)) And Blaise : 'Rogue' for 'Snape' ... Humm... You know what : I can't even remember is 'Rogue' is actually a French word !! But it does sound like 'rogne', which is 'bad temper', and like 'rugueux' which is 'rough'. Doriane, whose heart just leapt of joy at the sight of "PoA in French" From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:51:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:51:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7309 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7292] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 5:51 pm (ET) > Remus bit Sirius during the fight by the entrance to the tunnel in PoA. If lycanthropy is contagious via bite, wouldn't Sirius now be were? Or did the form he was in, the dog, give him immunity, or perhaps the contagion (sp) isn't passed via bite. I now have the British paperback of PoA, in which Lupin says "I was a very small boy when I received the bite." Thus, the contagion IS passed by the bite. [Altho' I recall the American hardback (which I no longer have, thus cannot check) saying: "I was infected when I was very young." and it says "unable to find employment' when the Britishs says "paid work".] But, as your question had been asked before (maybe by you), I tried to be alert for biting as I read that scene, and I didn't see any biting specified. It seems unlikely that an angry wolf wouldn't bite an interfering dog it was fighting with, but perhaps having taken some but not enough Wolfbane Potion left enough Lupin mind in place to avoid biting? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 21:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7310 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: PoA in French Reply To: [Yahoo! #7308] Re: PoA in French Date: 8/19/00 5:57 pm (ET) > I can't believe someone here talked about HP in French and I missed it ! Oh, yes, Besides Blaise listing the different names the characters have in French than in English, I told of bugging my friend Lee to look up all kinds of words in her assorted English-French, French-English dictionaries, which told us that 'wand' is 'baguette' and 'staff' is 'baton', which (if true) spoils the name of Beauxbatons. To me as an Anglophone, 'baguette' is an unsliced loaf of crusty bread and possibly also a facetted cutting of gemstone. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 22:19:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: Dog (was: Sirius as a Womanizer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7311 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dog (was: Sirius as a Womanizer Reply To: [Yahoo! #7260] Re: Sirius as a Womanizer Date: 8/19/00 6:19 pm (ET) > The fact that he is an animagus - and the animal he chose - suggests a wild, untamed streak. Dogs are the *opposite* of commitment-phobes! They worship their human, would die to save their human or his/her baby without even pausing to question. The cliche has *cats* as the independent ones with an untamed streak, and I admit to never having met a cat who showed signs of being willing to *die* to rescue his/her human, but willing to mope to death over his/her human being absent, yes. It was Prongs who became (not exactly chose) a *wild* animal (and one that in nature keeps a harem rather than only having eyes for one female). From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 22:29:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Searching Archive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7312 From: babynick34 Subject: Searching Archive Reply To: [Yahoo! #7302] Re: AmericanWizardSchools(wasOxfordagain Date: 8/19/00 6:29 pm (ET) Hi All >Smitster1 has put the postings from 0 to 6000-something into flat files that can be downloaded from http://members.xoom.com/hpfg/ for purposes of searching for a character string. Well worth the download time... though the first file does really need to be split to make it manageable. > I don't want to download those big files so I look at the archive on-line even tho' it doesn't have a search function (g'rrr). Well... been thinking about this. One slow and painful way is to enter in each message in to Phorum - For an example of this, I've put messages 1 to 50 in to Phorum at: http://www.rainbowplay.co.uk/phorum/ You can then use the search function to look things up. Not a great soluition, but perhaps some of the code that runs Phorum can be used to search an on-line archive of posts. With the Yahoo Egroups merger... with luck, Yahoo may add a search function. Nick. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 22:37:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:37:00 -0400 Subject: Age question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7313 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Age question Reply To: [Yahoo! #7293] Age question Date: 8/19/00 6:37 pm (ET) > Hermione's birthday is in September (snip)_is she 10 months older than, or 2 months younger than Harry? When is the normal cutoff day for schoolyears in the UK? A while ago, on one of these e-mail-lists, one of the Brits said that the normal cutoff day would be September 1, altho' a child born in the first week of September probably could ooze into the earlier school year if his/her parents wanted. IE, Hermione is ten months older than Harry unless Hogwarts was willing to bend the rule for her. Since Hogwarts has a magic quill that writes the names of children when they are born and then sends letters to the ones who are 11, I don't see them bending that rule. Maybe part of her high grades is that she already did sixth grade (first year) in Muggle school before doing it over at Wizard school. > When is the normal cutoff day for schoolyears in the UK? Here in the US, it's generally either August 31, September 30 or sometimes December 31 I think it was luck rather than planning that my mother started me in kindergarten and first grade in a school district with a December 31 cut-off (my birthday is November 7), so when we moved to a district with September 30 cut-off, they couldn't force me to do first grade over again. They did start me in the middle of my second grade class's four reading groups (in order to be with my next door neighboor, the only person I knew in the whole school except my brother in kindergartener) but after the first day, the teacher immediately told me that I had to switch to the earlier-awakening schedule (boo-hiss!) so I could be in the fastest reading group. As for my brother, when he got to second grade, he was sent to the principle's office for secretly reading TREASURE ISLAND concealed behind SEE DICK AND JANE RUN during the reading assignment. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 01:23:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:23:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7314 From: Orrianne Subject: Voldemort Date: 8/19/00 9:23 pm (ET) I've been away on vacation for 2 weeks, so I apologize if this subject has already been picked over and is now a dry bone, but.... I reread Harry Potter 4, and I was rethinking the gleam of triumph that Harry saw in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry said that Voldemort had taken his blood and was now immune to the protection that Harry's mother had given him with her sacrifice. In the first book, I believe, Hagrid mentioned that Voldemort wasn't human enough to die, and the fact that Voldemort has proven to be pretty much unkillable is why he can keep rising. Things just can't be over until Voldemort is done away with for good. I was speculating on the possibility that by taking Harry Potter's blood to come back into his body, Voldemort has taken back on himself his old mortality, ie - will Lily Potter's blood make Voldemort more human and hence, killable in the future? Will what allowed his rise also spell Voldemort's death? Wondered what the rest of you thought - Orrianne From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 01:32:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Photos? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7315 From: jamesf991 Subject: Photos? Date: 8/19/00 9:32 pm (ET) It looks like most of the Club photo albums have disappeared. Does anybody know what happened? How do we contact the Yahoo operators to ask about this? From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 01:52:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: Rita Skeeter & Cornelius Fudge Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7316 From: triner2001 Subject: Rita Skeeter & Cornelius Fudge Date: 8/19/00 9:52 pm (ET) No, this is not a romantic pairing of tabloid journalism and inept politics. I was thinking about Ms. Skeeter earlier and although I think in general Rita is supposed to be a bit of comical relief with her tabloidesque writing style, there are profound ramifications of her actions. She causes lots of pain and discord in her sojourn at Hogwarts: her expose on Hagrid hurts him immeasurably (which made ME want to squash her like a bug way before I knew she was one!), her many falsified reports on Harry hurt Hermione and even poison Molly Weasley against her, as well as damage his credibility as seen in Fudge's reaction to Harry's experience with Voldemort. I foresee her love of gossip aiding and abetting Voldemort's comeback in the future. Now onto Cornelius Fudge. There's a saying "All it takes for evil to spread is for one good man to stand back and do nothing to stop it." This is Fudge in a nutshell. He is not an evil man or even just mean; he simply stands back and does nothing, as can be seen by his reaction to the news that Voldemort is back. He gives into others (mainly Lucius Malfoy) throughout the series--Buckbeak's execution, getting Dumbledore suspended, preparing to have Sirius kissed by a Dementor-- he hardly ever acts on his own. And when he does, it is a thoughtless and self-serving act. His failure to react appropriately may serve Voldemort in ways neither he nor Voldemort can imagine. I know this could probably wait till these folks are up for discussion, but if I waited till then, I would most likely forget what I had thought. Trina From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 02:10:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:10:00 -0400 Subject: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7317 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7268] Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 10:10 pm (ET) Penny, If you are interested in the Arthurian legends, afteryou do your initial readings you might very much enjoy the Mary Stewart series on the Arthurian legends which are written from Merlin's point of view. I think the first book in the series is 'The Crystal Cave'. They are quite delightful. Another really magical book is White's 'Once and Future King" The first half has the basis for Disney's not-so-Great "The Sword and The Stone'. In it Merlin 'ages' in reverse, i.e. he start out old and gets younger as the book progresses. Has anyone else read these? Jim From sirpadfoot at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 02:44:00 2000 From: sirpadfoot at yahoo.com (sirpadfoot) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: Snape is my favorite character Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7318 From: sirpadfoot Subject: Snape is my favorite character Date: 8/19/00 10:44 pm (ET) I have come to believe that Snape is going to be a (if not the) major player in the next three books. He is the one with the most development potential and after GoF has become my favorite character. Any ideas where Dumbledore sent him? Apparently it had been a plan between them for a long while. Hagrid was my favorite but even the background info in GoB didn't really advance his character enough to satisfy me. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 02:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Legends Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7319 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Arthurian Legends Reply To: [Yahoo! #7317] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/19/00 10:48 pm (ET) I have read all of them, Mary's the Crystal Cave, the Hollow Hills, and the Wicked Day, and the Last Enchantment, as well as TH. I love the latter, I find it horribly funny! Btw, I love Sword in the Stone too, it's my favorite Disney movie. Winks. Dee From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 03:13:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:13:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7320 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Date: 8/19/00 11:13 pm (ET) As Penny commented, being one of Sirius' biggest fans, I have to post on this thread. I'm sorry I seem to be on the tail end of this discussion, but I've had a rather busy day....so here goes. Ebony started all this by writing: But when I talk to fans and read fanfic, one of the universally held beliefs is that Sirius is a bit of a ladies' man. There is not one shred of evidence in the actual text to back this up IMO! It doesn't even seem to fit his canonical character. Now I like the way Ebony put this "a ladies man" rather than as a "womanizer" you all have clarified that...so I won't belabor the difference. Most of the evidence has been posted. I think I derive my impression chiefly from the following: 1. The flying motorcycle 2. The apparent lack of a wife / significant girlfriend pre-Azkaban 3. The description as a jokester 4. The trick he played on Snape...ie. Not thinking through the consequences of his actions. 5. The switch he pulled with Pettigrew...making Peter the secret keeper...shows someone a bit too clever for his own good, also again not necessarily thinking through the consequences of his actions. As Penny said (and she and I have discussed this at great length, so we are both on the same page for ASA) : Sirius, on the other hand, is reckless, a jokester on the lines of the Weasley twins. Also, smart, popular & witty but more caustic, more impulsive. The following is a paragraph I wrote for ASA....it may or may not survive the editing phase, but I think its relevent as it describes my perception of Sirius... "You've never been in love before?" "No, at Hogwarts and after, I had loads of women who wanted me to be in love with them. And I'm sorry to admit that I took full advantage of that fact. Before Azkaban, I was the type of man most women grow to hate. Lead them on, wine them, dine them, make passionate love to them, then leave before they wake up. Forget to owl, avoid them on the street, then tell them I wasn't good enough for them." I feel like in his pre-Azkaban days, he didn't set about to hurt women on purpose, but never really "got it" when it came to the institution of marriage or even the monogamous tradition. Another line by the Sirius that I perceive that may or may not be included in ASA : "I can tell you with absolute honesty that I am not married, never have been, never quite grasped the concept of that institution." Well, enough on why I gathered Sirius to be a "Ladies man"....I also liked Neil's perception of him, although I don't see him as an introvert. And Simon's comment: "I have always got the impression that James acted to keep Sirius in check and make sure he didn't do anything that was too stupid." Later Carole From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 03:31:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius PoA vs GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7321 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Sirius PoA vs GoF Date: 8/19/00 11:31 pm (ET) Now on the subject of a difference in personality between PoA and GoF..you all have certainly discussed most of the points I had thought of...there was just a couple of things I wanted to add. First, Penny and I started our fanfic before GoF. She got done GoF before I did, and she commented to me that she thought our portrayal of Sirius was "spot on" with his portrayal in GoF. I guess this means we didn't see a glaring difference in his character between PoA and GoF. We see him as an intense person, perhaps single minded. In PoA he was pursuing Pettigrew for Harry's safety and for revenge, but once that was an impossibility, Harry's well being became his priority...to the exclusion of his own well being and security at times. So I guess IMO his personality didn't change as much as his focus. Carole PS Hey Blaise if you could point me in the direction of some good Sirius fanfic...besides CLS...read it...let me know. Thanks. From mcewans_quine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 05:15:00 2000 From: mcewans_quine at yahoo.com (mcewans_quine) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Help....... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7322 From: mcewans_quine Subject: Help....... Date: 8/20/00 1:15 am (ET) ok..... I have read all the books 1-4 in 5 short but exhilarating weeks...... my question is, when do we get more Harry???? Dumb question I know... but it's maddening not to know! Annie From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 05:46:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur and Harry?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7323 From: golden_faile Subject: Fleur and Harry?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7177] Harry's love life Date: 8/20/00 1:46 am (ET) She is too old I don't know many 16 or 17 year old girls that would go out with a 14 year old.However, males seem to go out with younger girls more frequently. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 06:04:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:04:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7324 From: golden_faile Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7210] Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Date: 8/20/00 2:04 am (ET) . <I can't tell you how many "former teachers" I used to meet at work (electronics company).>Which company Danemead? I work for Lucent Technologies. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 06:05:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:05:00 -0400 Subject: Help....... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7325 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: Help....... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7322] Help....... Date: 8/20/00 2:05 am (ET) Well ...... >From what I understand book 5 is due out July 1, 2001. And the movie is due out Nov. 2001. The WB stores are carrying some HP merchandise. (But personally, I was disappointed with the section so far. You might have a better time at your local store) And Hallmark will have ornaments for this Christmas. Hope this helps. YMEK From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 06:34:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:34:00 -0400 Subject: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off Topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7326 From: ymekelly Subject: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off Topic) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7305] Re: OT: Teachers' Jobs Date: 8/20/00 2:34 am (ET) Boy oh Boy, did this ever hit a nerve. I'm a high school history teacher. And I can say (IMO) that teachers are under paid and not respected. Many people say they respect teachers but their actions say other wise. In my experiences, I have had to be mother, father, priest, lawyer, doctor, babysitter, friend, referee, and judge before I can begin to teach. And to top it off, teachers are expected to do more. Ever time something goes wrong with a child people look at the school. Which means, the teachers are blamed. Kid can't read...where were teachers. Kid is being hurt at home... why didn't teachers call someone. Kid doesn't eat.... why didn't the teachers find food. Kid doesn't come to school...why didn't the teacher do something. Kid doesn't eat.... why didn't the teachers find food. This goes on everyday, all across the U.S. Yes, engineers can affect life and death. But so can teachers. I live in West Palm Beach, where last year a Middle School student killed a teacher because he was mad at another teacher. And the student was supposed to be a "good". I can tell you one thing, I wish I could teach at Hogwarts. YMEK From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 06:37:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:37:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7327 From: ausclub7 Subject: Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7288] Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Date: 8/20/00 2:37 am (ET) >> "But Wormtail was a coward," you might argue, hich would make it unlikely that he be in Gryiffindor. But I think he was placed in Gryffindor because he had the potential for bravery, that he just never recognized. << considering that he's cut off his appendages, id say that he definitely has an aspect of bravery to him, just a different sort to what people generally consider to be 'brave'. theres a saying that true courage is being afraid of things but doing them anyway (or something along those lines), and i think everyone is afraid of losing a limb... and he cuts them off anyway! yuk... From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 06:55:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:55:00 -0400 Subject: Something Fishy? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7328 From: ymekelly Subject: Something Fishy? Date: 8/20/00 2:55 am (ET) What going on with Yahoo. Things don't seem right. The founding date, the pictures, the founders name. What's the deal? Anyone know? YMEK From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 07:15:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:15:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7329 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sirius fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7321] Sirius PoA vs GoF Date: 8/20/00 3:15 am (ET) <<Hey Blaise if you could point me in the direction of some good Sirius fanfic...besides CLS...read it...let me know. Thanks.>> Well, there are generally two sorts of Sirius fanfic - those about MWPP in general, of which there are very many, most of which are fairly poor, and those about Sirius around the time before, during and after he was in Azkaban. Most of these are the latter. That said, this is the exception - a story about Sirius long before Azkaban, and one of the best pieces of Sirius fanfic (or just one of the best pieces of fanfic, period). Carole's already mentioned it, but for the benefit of those who don't know it - 'Black Shadow' by CLS, about how Sirius acquired a flying motorcycle. A very, very old piece is 'Fidelius' by Amy G. The original and one of the best descriptions of Sirius' life before and through Azkaban. 'Our Yesterdays are Dusty Death' by Katie Bell, about Sirius' struggle to keep his own mind in Azkaban, a beautiful story. 'Into the Darkness,' 'A Land of Shadows' and 'The Endless Hour Before Dawn,' a trilogy by Princess Kate which covers the period before and through Azkaban. I've written some Sirius-related stuff myself, so I suppose I shall dare to mention it here. 'Moony & Padfoot' about Remus looking for Sirius after he resigns, and 'The League Against Voldemort' about how Sirius' name was cleared. All of these stories can be found at www.fanfiction.net. There is a search function there which will make finding them fairly straightfowards - the little boxes beside the magnifying glass on the top right-hand side of the main page. There is also an archive of Sirius fanfiction which has some but not all of these stories. This is www.redrival.com/dogstar Hope that gives you something to read, Carole and any others who are interested. ~Blaise. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 07:18:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:18:00 -0400 Subject: PoA in French Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7330 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: PoA in French Reply To: [Yahoo! #7308] Re: PoA in French Date: 8/20/00 3:18 am (ET) <<'Rogue' for 'Snape' ... Humm... You know what : I can't even remember is 'Rogue' is actually a French word !! But it does sound like 'rogne', which is 'bad temper', and like 'rugueux' which is 'rough'.>> I looked up 'Rogue' in a French dictionary online, and found that it means 'arrogant.' Makes sense for Snape! BTW, seeing as JKR is a French teacher, does anyone think she had some input into the French translation? ~Blaise. From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 07:39:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:39:00 -0400 Subject: Remus Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7331 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Remus Reply To: [Yahoo! #7306] Re: James and Sirius (and Remus). Date: 8/20/00 3:39 am (ET) <<It beats me why the people reminiscing at The Three Broomsticks about James and Sirius, and that fat little boy who tagged after them, didn't say one word about Remus being another of the clique. If McGonagall, say, had mentioned him by first name only, Harry wouldn't have found out ahead of schedule that Lupin had known his father.>> Clever - I was about to leap in and say that then Harry would have known that Remus had been friends with his father, but you've outwitted me. Hmm .. well, this has troubled me for a while, because the best explanation I can come up with is that Remus was one of many 'lesser' members of the clique, not really worthy of note, and that sends half my stories down the drain. I think, honestly, that JKR didn't mention it because she didn't want to give away that Remus and Sirius were close friends, and she decided not to mention him at all, saving that revelation for later. Perhaps she didn't hit on your first-name idea! Love your idea of Professor Trelawney pursuing Remus, but I think he was absent from the feast because it was the full moon. <<WHY does he take off the day before instead of the day after, when he is in Worse Condition the day after???>> Now I'm confused. How do you know that he takes the day before the full moon off and not the one after? What have I missed? And I think he does take time off after the full moon. At least, in PoA he is away on a Friday and then comes back to work on a Monday (chapter 9). That's sufficient time for him to have a day off before and after the full moon. During the Christmas holidays he can take off as much time as he needs, I suppose. I think the idea of Remus being in much worse shape the day after is mostly a construct of fanfic authors (mea culpa!). ~Blaise. From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 07:56:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 03:56:00 -0400 Subject: Something Fishy? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7332 From: jamesf991 Subject: Re: Something Fishy? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7328] Something Fishy? Date: 8/20/00 3:56 am (ET) Everyone please help notify Yahoo by posting a message to report these bugs -- go to any help topic and at the bottom it will say: "Is this enough information?" Click "No" and then fill out a report. For question #3 choose "A Bug in Clubs." Maybe if enough people do this Yahoo will notice before the whole Club crashes! Thanks JamesF From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 08:05:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 04:05:00 -0400 Subject: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7333 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Reply To: [Yahoo! #7284] Re: Oxford again (OT, sorry) Date: 8/20/00 4:05 am (ET) spicoli323 wrote: ...makes me wonder if there could be any Wizard Schools hidden away somewhere on a campus in the states. I'll venture that there could be one hidden away in the steam tunnels under Michigan State University. (Tho it probably would specialize in Magical Animal Husbandry and Agriculture.) The steam tunnel system runs for miles beneath the campus, and thre are many real Life huge rooms down there. I have myself only seen the cavernous water softener rooms beneath one of the dormitories, buy I knew people during college who had explored extensively. One of the most impressive, I understand is roughly beneath Spartan Stadium, and is richly decorated with graphiti from the days before the University welded/ padlocked most of the enterances. It all sounds like a grat "Disguise" to me! Rumours of the danger to dissuade casual explorers, twisting Labyrinths that come out in unexpected places.... stories of lost D & D players- All are part of the mystique of the MSU steam tunnels. Ellen The Beekeeper (Thinking she should have taken her friends up on those offers to go exploring back in college- I knew people who had steam tunneled with James Dallas Eggbert's group.) From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 08:25:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 04:25:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Stories Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7334 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Arthurian Stories Reply To: [Yahoo! #7317] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/20/00 4:25 am (ET) Mary Stewarts Arthurian series is: The Crystal Cave The Hollow Hills The Last enchantment Loved the series- really examines all the twists and turns in the legends that are often glossed over in many retellings. Whites "Once and Future King" is also good- but I think I like Mary Stewart's version better (Among the modern versions.) Been a long time since I devouredevery version of the arthurian legends that I could get my hands on- wish I had time for some rereading... Ellen the Beekeeper From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 08:26:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 04:26:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Legends Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7335 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Arthurian Legends Reply To: [Yahoo! #7319] Arthurian Legends Date: 8/20/00 4:26 am (ET) Oooh! (Blushes) I forgot About "The Wicked Day"! It <Has> been too long! Ellen From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 08:31:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 04:31:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius PoA vs GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7336 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Sirius PoA vs GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #7321] Sirius PoA vs GoF Date: 8/20/00 4:31 am (ET) Carole Wrote: PS Hey Blaise if you could point me in the direction of some good Sirius fanfic...besides CLS...read it...let me know. Thanks OK- What is CLS? Another fanfiction? What's the full title so I can find it? I'm enjoying "A Sirius Affair" greatly, and I am practically panting in anticipation of the next chapter of "Paradigm of Uncertainty" Ellen From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 12:06:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:06:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7337 From: jferer Subject: Re: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Reply To: [Yahoo! #7259] Friendship, Love and Armageddon Date: 8/20/00 8:06 am (ET) Ebony, You are indeed a wise woman. A truly exceptional post. I'm not sure, though, your comments will apply to Harry. There's a different dynamic for him. He is the Hero, the one who suffers and is consumed by the task he did not want. I'm afraid he will be called on to give up a great deal. [I keep comparing Harry in my mind to Frodo, the ordinary being who had to push himself beyond all his limits. In the end, he didn't get to fully share in the joys of his victory]. I'm going to read Joseph Campbell again. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 12:12:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:12:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Legends Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7338 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Arthurian Legends Reply To: [Yahoo! #7335] Re: Arthurian Legends Date: 8/20/00 8:12 am (ET) I don't know the "The Wicked Day". Tell me more Jim From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 12:13:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:13:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7339 From: jferer Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7296] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 8:13 am (ET) I would imagine that a student coming in would be Sorted. Viktor Krum doesn't act like a Slytherin, really, he may be a Gryffindor. We're seeing in him a student who shouldn't have been in Dumstrang in the first place -- he'e entirely too straight a shooter for that. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 14:17:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Krum (wasEquality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7340 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sorting Krum (wasEquality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7339] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 10:17 am (ET) > I would imagine that a student coming in would be Sorted. Viktor Krum doesn't act like a Slytherin, really, he may be a Gryffindor. We're seeing in him a student who shouldn't have been in Dumstrang in the first place -- he'e entirely too straight a shooter for that. Names being what they are, there must be some reason his name is 'crumb'. Presumably JKR's reason was to mislead us readers to expect that his behaviour would be crummy. GoF does emphasize the contrast between his clumsy and graceless walk and and his perfect broom-flying. Someone on some e-mail-list suggested that the Seeking is not his own talent but something that he was bewitched to do, which could account for his apparent humility (compared to what one would expect of the wizarding world's very biggest celebrity athlete -- part of the purpose of the Bagman character, and reminiscence of his trial, may have been to remind us of what Krum *could* have gotten away with). From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 14:38:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:38:00 -0400 Subject: Krum - names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7341 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Krum - names Reply To: [Yahoo! #7340] Re: Sorting Krum (wasEquality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 10:38 am (ET) <<Names being what they are, there must be some reason his name is 'crumb'. Presumably JKR's reason was to mislead us readers to expect that his behaviour would be crummy.>> This name has had me puzzled for ages. I can't find a decent Bulgarian dictionary online, no chance of finding one in my local library, it's not Russian and I have no idea what it means. It's not even an obscure English word. However, I don't think it has anything to do with 'crumb.' I haven't noticed any misleading names in HP, actually. Normally they contain insights into character (which is why I spend so much time with the dictionary trying to work out what they mean). So, if anyone here knows what Krum means in any language, I'd love to know! ~Blaise. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 14:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7342 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7339] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 10:41 am (ET) Hi: <<<I would imagine that a student coming in would be Sorted. Viktor Krum doesn't act like a Slytherin, really, he may be a Gryffindor. We're seeing in him a student who shouldn't have been in Dumstrang in the first place -- he'e entirely too straight a shooter for that.>>> Don't forget that Viktor Krum is probably 18 by the end of GoF. He won't be coming back to Hogwarts as a student. My guess is that he won't figure in Book 5 much at all (maybe a mention or two that he's fighting alongside the anti-Voldemort forces or something). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 14:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Problems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7343 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Yahoo Problems Date: 8/20/00 10:56 am (ET) Hi: I'm sorry to say that I cannot explain the Yahoo problems. I just re-entered the Founders' Message & Founders' Homepage. I'm not sure I got the exact wording that we had before, but it should be pretty close. Melanie -- please be sure I found the right URL for the HP for Grownups FAQ Page. It looks right to me. I'm set up to receive Club messages by email. Haven't received any messages from this Club since yesterday afternoon, right around the time that someone first noticed that the Founders' Message had disappeared. It sounds like Yahoo is definitely having some technical glitches. I forgot to check the Photos section before I started this message. I will check that next. If they are still missing, that is disturbing. My experience has been that the only response you will get from emailing Yahoo is a standard "thanks for writing Yahoo" sort of email response. They did return my phone call at one point, but I missed the call, and the Yahoo rep suggested I email our problems & thoughts to them. I did that -- spent half an hour composing a beautiful email, only to receive the standard "thanks for contacting Yahoo" response. I will call them again tomorrow & give them my home phone # as well as my cell phone. But, if anyone is in the (408) area code and is willing to make the phone call for me, I can arm you with all the info & questions that we have. I hope the chat function will be working today -- I was planning to join the chat this afternoon. Penny From ltumc at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 16:23:00 2000 From: ltumc at yahoo.com (ltumc) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:23:00 -0400 Subject: Equality in sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7344 From: ltumc Subject: Re: Equality in sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7342] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 12:23 pm (ET) <<<Don't forget that Viktor Krum is probably 18 by the end of GoF. He won't be coming back to Hogwarts as a student. My guess is that he won't figure in Book 5 much at all (maybe a mention or two that he's fighting alongside the anti-Voldemort forces or something).>>> In my opinion, I think Krum will probably play a pretty good role in Book 5. There seemed to be a pretty good buildup around him, and I would be surprised if JKR did that for nothing. There was the whole jealousy concept with Ron, that would make sense to build up more, although I'm hoping that at least eventually Ron will get Hermione. Lisa From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 16:27:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7345 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Date: 8/20/00 12:27 pm (ET) I don't know if anyone's commented on this yet, but Die Hard was on Cinemax yesterday. I watched it specifically to concentrate on Alan Rickman's performance. I hope he gets the role, he would make a terrific Snape. I could easily imagine his character of Hans Gruber hanging over Harry Potter criticizing Harry's potion and snarling at Hermione for being a know-it-all. --Rita From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 16:39:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:39:00 -0400 Subject: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7346 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Reply To: [Yahoo! #7333] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 12:39 pm (ET) >>>>>I'll venture that there could be one hidden away in the steam tunnels under Michigan State University. <<<< Have you ever seen the underground city beneath Walt Disney World and Epcot Center in Florida? Amazing! And how about (fictionally-speaking) the fact that the entire United Network Command for Law and Enforcement was hidden behind that little New York shop (was it a tailor or a dry-cleaner?) in "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." -- reminds me of getting to Diagon Alley thru the Leaky Cauldron! I'll bet there are similar establishments in real life, under the CIA buildings, the Pentagon, and any number of large corporations. And of course, the USA has rather a huge amount of "empty" land where entire communities might be hidden and never disturbed. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:11:00 -0400 Subject: Krum - names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7347 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Krum - names Reply To: [Yahoo! #7341] Re: Krum - names Date: 8/20/00 1:11 pm (ET) << So, if anyone here knows what Krum means in any language, I'd love to know! >> Krumm means 'bent' or 'crooked' in German. That just about says it all, I think! Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:41:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Krum - names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7348 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Krum - names Reply To: [Yahoo! #7347] Re: Krum - names Date: 8/20/00 1:41 pm (ET) > Krumm means 'bent' or 'crooked' in German. That just about says it all, I think! I somehow always thought Viktor was an ethnic German despite being a Bulgarian national. But does being 'crooked' refer to his posture and walk or to his ethics? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:44:00 -0400 Subject: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7349 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Reply To: [Yahoo! #7346] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 1:44 pm (ET) >And of course, the USA has rather a huge amount of "empty" land where entire communities might be hidden and never disturbed. Egads - the US school of wizardry is at Area 51! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Problems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7350 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Yahoo Problems Reply To: [Yahoo! #7343] Yahoo Problems Date: 8/20/00 1:46 pm (ET) > It sounds like Yahoo is definitely having some technical glitches. I hope it is just technical glitches. I keep having the paranoid suspicion that some computer-clever person is vandalizing our club. > My experience has been that the only response you will get from emailing Yahoo is a standard "thanks for writing Yahoo" sort of email response. I've gotten that form e-mail from them a couple of times, but when I wrote that nothing in the Helps explained how to get my personal calendar onto Daylight Savings Time, they e-mailed me a very detailed response about how to fix it (the Daylight Savings Time will go on and off automatically if I entered my time zone correctly) --- do they get enough queries about Daylight Savings Time to have a form e-mail just for that? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:51:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7351 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Reply To: [Yahoo! #7324] Off Topic: Which Electronics Company? Date: 8/20/00 1:51 pm (ET) >>>><I can't tell you how many "former teachers" I used to meet at work (electronics company).>Which company Danemead? I work for Lucent Technologies.<<<< It was Motorola, but I retired 2 years ago. (YAY!) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders - character/sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7352 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Marauders - character/sorting Date: 8/20/00 1:54 pm (ET) I reckon all four Marauders were sorted to Gryffindor, but if I were to place any one of them in another House, I might put Lupin in Ravenclaw. I think it's clear that James was in Gryffindor, and, to my mind, it follows that his closest friends would have been from the same House: Sirius as the main sidekick and Peter as the inadequate one, who tags along. Remus will have stood out from the crowd, and may have formed a friendship with the others if he had been in another House, but I think he was probably in Gryffindor too. In my head, I make this broad, if bizarre, analogy Harry=James; Ron=Sirius; Hermione=Remus; Neville=Peter. I want to qualify my assertion that Sirius is an introvert. In fact, introvert may be the wrong term in this case. I didn't mean to suggest he is, for example, painfully shy, like 'a rabbit trapped in headlights.' I'm thinking more of someone who keeps his own counsel and is somewhat aloof in social settings. I don't think this is at odds with his being a jokester or a woman-magnet. I see a clever, wry, humourist rather than a slapstick funmaker (like one of the twins). Am I making any sense at all? In response to my suggestion that Remus was also introverted, Catlady asserts that this is unlikely because introverts are invariably scared to open their mouths in front of a roomful of people in case they collapse in a gibbering heap. This is a rather simplistic view of introversion; we'd lose a large section of the teaching profession (and other 'performance' professions) if all the introverts left. People are able to control such fears of public speaking and may have other traits which can counterbalance the more thoughtful aspects of their personality. Neil is trapped in his own headlights From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:55:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:55:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7353 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Sirius fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7329] Re: Sirius fanfic Date: 8/20/00 1:55 pm (ET) Blaise wrote: >>>>I've written some Sirius-related stuff myself, so I suppose I shall dare to mention it here. 'Moony & Padfoot' about Remus looking for Sirius after he resigns, and 'The League Against Voldemort' about how Sirius' name was cleared. All of these stories can be found at www.fanfiction.net. <<<<< I have to toot Blaise's horn for her -- her fanfic is outstanding! She even made me CRY during one of her stories -- pretty powerful stuff. Blaise...When is the next installment of "A Second Chance" coming through? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 17:58:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Problems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7354 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Yahoo Problems Reply To: [Yahoo! #7343] Yahoo Problems Date: 8/20/00 1:58 pm (ET) >>>>I'm set up to receive Club messages by email. Haven't received any messages from this Club since yesterday afternoon,<<<< I'm on e-mail as well, also not receiving messages. Oddly enough, I AM receiving e-mail from another Yahoo club that I belong to, so I don't know what the problem is with HP4GU. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:03:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off To Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7355 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off To Reply To: [Yahoo! #7326] From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off Topic) Date: 8/20/00 2:03 pm (ET) "I can tell you one thing, I wish I could teach at Hogwarts." --YMEK I wish I could, too! I wonder what the qualifications above basic wizarding school training would be. I'm sure you'd like History of Magic. :) I can't decide what subject I'd like to teach most of all. I'm too wussy for DADA, and chemistry was never my strongest suit so Potions is out. Another Charms instructor, perhaps... Ebony AKA AngieJ From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:04:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders - character/sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7356 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Marauders - character/sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7352] Marauders - character/sorting Date: 8/20/00 2:04 pm (ET) Hmmm; good point about the analogy between the Marauders and the four current students you mentioned. I just want to point out, though, that you can't say that the characters and relationships are exactly the same, just roughly. For example, James was the smartest of the Marauders; Hermione and not Harry is the smartest of the current group. Another thing: the current group isn't as given to practical jokes; probably partly because they're too busy foiling evil plots and such. I really, really want to see more of Neville in the future; he had a really great moment towards the end of the very first book when he stood up to the other three, but I don't think that was developed as much as it should have been and he's been a little too far in the background lately. The revelation about his parents in GoF was a great bit of character development, though. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Problems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7357 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Yahoo Problems Reply To: [Yahoo! #7354] Re: Yahoo Problems Date: 8/20/00 2:08 pm (ET) I read them online, and the other day, just before it was noted that the founder's page and etc. was messed up, I found that when i was trying to read messages immediately after they were being posted, it didn't work. Whenever I clicked on one from the home page I was taken, not to that message, but to the *first 40* of the list. Clicking on the 'most recent' option took me to the most recent 40 but it was as if that function did not know there was a new msg. - clicking on the last message in that list (which did not match the one that I could see had been posted looking at the 'home' page), took me to the message before that and with no 'next' choice. Going back to the home page i found there was yet a newer message up than the one I had just tried to look at it, and clicking on it took me to the same process except that the not-quite-newest message that i had previously tried to read was now availiable. This happened three times in a row. I think it was three messages by Catlady in a row. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:12:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:12:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7358 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Reply To: [Yahoo! #7337] Re: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Date: 8/20/00 2:12 pm (ET) JIm wrote: "I'm not sure, though, your comments will apply to Harry. There's a different dynamic for him. He is the Hero, the one who suffers and is consumed by the task he did not want. I'm afraid he will be called on to give up a great deal. [I keep comparing Harry in my mind to Frodo, the ordinary being who had to push himself beyond all his limits. In the end, he didn't get to fully share in the joys of his victory]." Although I sincerely wish it were otherwise due to Harry's past, I actually agree with your comparison. Alienation seems to be a major theme in GoF and I expect it to recur in the next novels. Harry is starting to remind me a lot of Cade Foster, the lone hero of one of my current fave sci-fi dramas, First Wave. There are several parallels, but I won't go into detail since not many may be familar with the show. See everyone in chat this afternoon, I hope! Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:14:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders - character/sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7359 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Marauders - character/sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7352] Marauders - character/sorting Date: 8/20/00 2:14 pm (ET) > In my head, I make this broad, if bizarre, analogy Harry=James; Ron=Sirius; Hermione=Remus; Neville=Peter. Someone a while ago was arguing for the far more bizarre analogy: Harry=James, Hermione=Sirius, Neville=Remus, Ron=Peter. > Catlady asserts that this is unlikely because introverts are invariably scared to open their mouths in front of a roomful of people in case they collapse in a gibbering heap. I most certainly did not ASSERT that introverts are INVARIABLY scared of etc. I said he (and all those other performers) must have a limited form of introversion. I'll admit that I should have said 'or extreme will-power'. One amazing example is Richard Nixon. His personality/nature was such that schmoozing and hanging out were totally alien to him, but he forced himself to spend decades at such alien activities because they were necessary to achieve his ambition. He did these alien activities badly enough (famous film clip of him walking across the beach wearing a suit and dress shoes) that people always joked about it, but it's amazing that he had enough will-power to force himself to do them at all. From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:16:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7360 From: ymekelly Subject: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7347] Re: Krum - names Date: 8/20/00 2:16 pm (ET) Does anyone else think that Krum is a little too old to be pursuing Hermione? O.K I know Hermione is 14 and is he is 17 but...he is telling her things I don't think she is ready for. I know Hermione is smart and has great friends but this guy is telling her he's never felt this way about anyone before. Sounds like "playa" moves to me. If I were Hermione's mother, he would be too old to visit my 14-year-old daughter. And I definitely would not want him telling her such things. He's never felt this way before. Yeah right. YMEK :-) (sorry is we already covered this) From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:18:00 -0400 Subject: Will we see Viktor again? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7361 From: jferer Subject: Will we see Viktor again? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7342] Re: Equality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 2:18 pm (ET) I think we will see Viktor again, although he won't be a student anymore. (My point before was Viktor is an example of why students coming in late would be Sorted.) JKR has left something open with him, his feelings for Hermione. Catlady told of a notion she'd read that Krum's Quidditch talents were magicked into him somehow. I don't think that can be possible, there would be too many logic holes that way. Bagman or Crouch Jr. would have magicked Harry into a cross between Gandalf and Doc Savage if they could have. What would you need Hogwarts for, anyhow, if you could give 'em skills with a wave of the wand? From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:19:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:19:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Stories Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7362 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Arthurian Stories Reply To: [Yahoo! #7334] Re: Arthurian Stories Date: 8/20/00 2:19 pm (ET) Hi there Ellen, If you have never read The Mists of Avalon" by Marion Zimmer Bradley I highly recommend it. It is about the Arthur legend, but it is told from the women's point of view. I read it years ago when it first came out and still reread it every once in awhile. Really a very good book. Shelly From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:21:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7363 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Reply To: [Yahoo! #7349] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 2:21 pm (ET) Cool!!! Living in Vegas I'm not that far. Might have to check that one out. shelly From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:23:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7364 From: jferer Subject: Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7345] Alan Rickman-Snape? Date: 8/20/00 2:23 pm (ET) Rita, The problem with Rickman is his age; he's too old for Snape, who is in his early forties at most. Snape was a contemporary of Sirius, Lupin, and James Potter. James had Harry fairly young (let's say about 25) and so he'd only be 39 or 40 now. OTOH, Rickman's talents and persona are perfect for Snape. If you just needed a voice actor, Rickman would be Number 1 with a bullet. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:25:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7365 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Reply To: [Yahoo! #7363] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 2:25 pm (ET) I wouldn't try to check out Area 51 as a possible candidate for a US wizardy school without an invisibility cloak. But there must be some reason it was nicknamed "Wonderland".... (I have this image of US wizards employed by the Government working to reverse-engineer alien magic from the crashed flying saucer...) From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:40:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: The Truth Behind Roswell... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7366 From: alicia5270 Subject: The Truth Behind Roswell... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7365] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 2:40 pm (ET) Perhaps the infamous crash of '48 was actually the result of an dinner plate afflicted with an Engorgement Charm, and engineered to fly by an overly-ambitious Weasley... --Alicia/Sue "Punk Rock Princess" Spinnet From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:46:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:46:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7367 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7360] Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 2:46 pm (ET) *is shuddering* I can only imagine how my parents would react if *I* were dating someone four years my senior. It suffices to say that if my mother could rig up a Howler, she would. God knows who she'd send it to, but someone would face her wrath... hopefully, not me. I'd be too preoccupied with other things, namely attempting to peel my father's hands off of Theoretical Boyfriend's 19-year-old neck. Hopefully, Hermione's brains are enough to keep her from falling for cheesy lines. --Alicia/Sue "Punk Rock Princess" Spinnet From ymekelly at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:49:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off To Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7368 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off To Reply To: [Yahoo! #7355] Re: From a teacher (Sorry Way Way Off To Date: 8/20/00 2:49 pm (ET) Ebony wrote "I'm sure you'd like History of Magic. :)" The history of magic or transfiguration would be my picks. I love Professor McGonagall. I told my friends (who have read the book) that I want to be more like her. Also love to turn some smart mouth kid into a button or something. YMEK ;-) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 18:51:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: More MWPP (Sirius) fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7369 From: selah_1977 Subject: More MWPP (Sirius) fic Date: 8/20/00 2:51 pm (ET) I agree with all of Blaise's choices, and also agree that she is an excellent author. I have the DogStar bookmarked as a "favorite place". Not much slush there, Sirius fans--check it out. I read the first two parts of what looks to be a *very* promising Sirius fic involving a game of Truth or Dare during MWPP days which leads to Time Travel into a dystopian future wizarding world. Unfortunately, ff.n is not cooperating with me right now. I'll post the title and author when I find it. Off the top of my head, here's two recent fics I thought were worth the server space: "Harry Meets the Marauders" by Doctor Cornelius (Short and to the point. The author could have gone for sap. Instead, he ends the piece on a note eerily reminiscent of Stephen King.) "Not What You'd Expect" by Theresa (This is the Sirius/Hermione fic I mentioned on HPAnonymous before I took a leave of absence from that list. For all you romantics... IMO, it's so-so, because I don't like this pairing and everyone is slightly OOC. But it should tide you over until the next chapter of ASA is up.) I'll think of some more later. Most of what I r/r on FFnet is either MWPP or post-Hogwarts. Most of the more mature and capable HP fanfic writers tend to avoid Harry's years at Hogwarts (save a few excellent Year 7 fics, such as the one Alicia Spinnet is co-authoring right now). The vast majority fics set during the canon timeline are pretty pointless and poorly written... why tread on sacred ground? It just occurred to me that it's not Sirius week yet. :) Oh, well... I'm sure we'll find new Sirius topics to talk about when the time comes. Ebony AKA AngieJ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 19:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7370 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7360] Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 3:10 pm (ET) > but this guy is telling her he's never felt this way about anyone before. Sounds like "playa" moves to me. Remember, the person most dear to him in task II was Hermione - not his mother, not his brother, not his friend from from elementary school, not his Quidditch coach.... For an 18-year-old world celebrity athlete to fall hard for a 14-year-old know-it-all indicates that something is either very wrong or very right with Viktor. Very wrong: maybe he is a late bloomer and finds girls closer to his own age excessively mature for him, maybe he has low self esteem problems that make him like a girl who bosses him around, etc. Very right: He is sufficiently mature to appreciate Hermione's unshowy virtues such as loyalty and courage, and to recognize that her show-offy intelligence is a virtue rather than (as well as) an annoyance. However, since Viktor turned out to be a good guy despite his name, I am confident that he will be killed in Book V, which is inconvenient for romances. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 19:38:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:38:00 -0400 Subject: Harry and Frodo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7371 From: Danemead Subject: Harry and Frodo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7358] Re: Friendship, Love and Armageddon Date: 8/20/00 3:38 pm (ET) This comparison of Harry to Frodo is exactly the feeling I got at the end of GoF, but for a different reason. If I recall correctly, as it has been many years since I read "Lord of the Rings", Frodo was so weary in mind and spirit by the end of the trilogy, that he chose to go "over the water" with Bilbo, rather than stay and have a normal Hobbit life with his friends. Frodo was still very young, but already decades older in his experience. Rather like a shell-shocked veteran of a 20th century war, being no longer able to fit into society. This is already the feeling I had about Harry by the time he left Hogwarts for summer vacation. And he still has three more books' worth of war and loss to get through. >From "Return of the King" by J.R.R. Tolkien: 'But,' said Sam, and tears started in his eyes, 'I thought you were going to enjoy the Shire, too, for years and years, after all you have done.' [Frodo] 'So I thought too, once. But I have been too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger; some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them...' From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 19:45:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7372 From: alicia5270 Subject: Re: Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7369] More MWPP (Sirius) fic Date: 8/20/00 3:45 pm (ET) The fic is "Fortuna Fatum", by CobraGirl. I love that one! Another good fic, IMHO, is one I read a while back-- it's got to be the most bizarre, most underappreciated one on ff.n. The name of the author escapes me right now, but the title is, if I correctly recall, "Son of Scabbers". It's the funniest, bawdiest fic up there, and I suggest that anyone in the mood for a lighthearted MWPP fic should read it. Also notable is "Cub Scout" by Moon, a decidedly Remus-centered fic, but one that brings the days of MWPP to life. I'm not much of a fan of Hogwarts-years fics myself-- even though that's precisely what "The Silver Tint of Clouds of Doubt" is. :) I don't even remember how we started writing that thing. I'm also working independently on another 7th-year humor/romance fic that will indubitably ruin all credibility as a writer I've garnered at ff.n and on listservs. Bizarre. Absolutely bizarre..... But enough about me. :) If I can come up with other Sirius/MWPP reccommendations, I'll post them ASAP! --Alicia/Sue "Punk Rock Princess" Spinnet From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:01:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: Introversion and teaching. OT Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7373 From: jenP_97 Subject: Introversion and teaching. OT Reply To: [Yahoo! #7287] Re: Mostly Sirius Thoughts Date: 8/20/00 4:01 pm (ET) Catlady was talking about Remus and teaching: >>Who, incidentally, must have quite a limited form of introversion if he can STAND to be a schoolteacher and stand in front of multiple classes of multiple children all day. << I don't agree with this, simply because I am both introverted and a teacher. Sometimes it amazes me that someone who is as shy and shrinking as I am (ah, the wonders of anonymous identities - yay internet! What a relief!) could enter a profession based on "public speaking"! I think it has to do with several things. First, shyness may have something to do with interactions with peers/elders. So while I have a hard time with people my age or older, I have less of a problem with children. Also, it puts you in a position of authority when you're a teacher, so though (as in my case) your students may be OLDER than you are, you still "know more" (believe me, I could NEVER rival the "street" smarts my students have), and therefore don't see them as peers (at least in the classroom). I don't know... it's a lot of factors. All I know is that when I was a substitute, I was fine as long as I was in the classroom - but once I was talking to other teachers or the principal or anything, I shut up like a clam. Jen ps. I used to think I *loved* children... and though I love my own with all my heart, I don't think I *love* kids in general. I think I'm more of a "boy, I wish I had that much energy - they look like they're having so much fun - I think I'll just think like them for the rest of my life" kind of kid "kindred spirit". Sorry for the length/OT-ness/etc. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:02:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7374 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7101] Harry/Ginny pairing Date: 8/20/00 4:02 pm (ET) By: mkplummer Date: 8/17/00 5:34 pm >I still think a Harry/Hermione rel not a very strong possibility, and a Ron/Hermione rel totally unrealistic (IMHO) ;-) Agree with first; totally disagree with second. JKR practically beat us over the head in GoF to indicate that Ron and Hermione like each other romantically. Ron doesn't realize it, but he was completely jealous of Krum and acted extremely childishly at the yule ball. Hermione, IMO, knows that she likes Ron, but since she isn't stupid, she isn't going to tell him point blank. She wants to see if he likes her. JKR remembers being 14 very well, and seems able to imagine 14 year old boy behavior as well. Well, maybe Harry will meet someone special in one of the future novels. ---- I really dont think that Harry will have any lasting special relationships in the seven books, but meeting a new person is the best chance. I just don't see him with anyone we've been introduced to to date. Romantic Relationships just aren't where JKR is taking this book series. They are sidebars at best. QUESTION: where do the terms ship and shippers come from, as in Harry/Ginny shippers. vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:12:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7375 From: vjmerri Subject: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Reply To: [Yahoo! #7106] Re: Hogwarts, a History. Date: 8/20/00 4:12 pm (ET) By: schlaggen Date: 8/17/00 6:29 pm In COS, Proffesor Binns states that it was built by Gryffindor, Slytherin, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw, who wanted to train wizards far away from muggles (this was presumably in the middle ages, when magic practitioners were likely to be tortured or killed). --------- except that magic practitioners weren't really tortured and killed because the real practitioners could a) hide themselves and b) evidently were difficult to hurt by muggles. Remember in the start of PoA Harry was finishing his essay on witch burning. there was wendolyn the wierd who enjoyed the tickling sensation after "the basic freezing charm" so much that she allowed herself to be burned numerous times. JKR gave the definite impression that no __real___ witches and wizards were actually hurt during this time period. RE: the basic "freezing charm" that the champions should have used against the dragons. GOOD CALL. As Brooks said, JKR invents interesting spells and then sometimes doesn't follow through on keeping them in the rest of the books. Its not atypical for serial fantasy books and tv shows, although JKR does MUCH MUCH better than average at it. How about this for an intra universe answer: Not a single one of the champions thought to use the freezing charm. Very forgetful of them actually. Also, although the charm would clearly have helped to prevent burns, they needed something else too because the dragon could simply have mooshed the champion with a front claw as he/she approached to get the egg, vicki From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:15:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7376 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7367] Re: Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 4:15 pm (ET) > I can only imagine how my parents would react if *I* were dating someone four years my senior. When I was that age, I *did* -- and my mother never found out! From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:16:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: attrition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7377 From: vjmerri Subject: attrition Reply To: [Yahoo! #7108] Re: Number of students, again Date: 8/20/00 4:16 pm (ET) By: estesrandy Date: 8/17/00 6:36 pm Let's not forget about the attrition problem. What with potions mixed improperly leading to explosions. Various misshaps in Hagrid's classes. A few students seeing a basilisk or two. They probably lose a few students when they tell their parents what happened at school last semester! ---------------- I don't think there is really an attition problem. Lupin remembered a boy who "almost got killed" so I don't think its normal to lose students. the parents aren't likely to remove their children from the only/or at least the best school in the UK. Such "minor" happenings are probably part and parcel for wizard students. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:23:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7378 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Reply To: [Yahoo! #7375] wizard burnings & the freezing charm Date: 8/20/00 4:23 pm (ET) > they needed something else too because the dragon could > simply have mooshed the champion with a front claw as he/she approached to get the egg, and Harry didn't just use the summoning charm on the gold egg itself because the dragon could chase him.... From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:28:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrids classes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7379 From: vjmerri Subject: Hagrids classes Reply To: [Yahoo! #7108] Re: Number of students, again Date: 8/20/00 4:28 pm (ET) explosions. Various misshaps in Hagrid's classes. ---------- this has probably been brought up several times, but some others may want to discuss it. . . I love Hagrid dearly as a person and a character, but as a teacher, enough! He simply doesn't have the common sense god gave a goose when it comes to magically creatures or teaching. In the first place he technically was only a third year when he got expelled. Now Hagrid and his umbrella have already shown signs of knowing and performing magic that seems well above a 3rd year students level, so let us assume he has secretly continued his magical education. He also, through the position of gamekeeper, clearly learned a lot about magical creatures. But he knows ZIP, zilch about teaching. Last year he spent the entire year on flobberworms, and this year he spent the entire year (except for the bit about unicorns that the substitute teacher started) dealing with the blast ended skrewts. So as far as we can tell, in two years Hagrid hasn't taught much of anything about creatures (plural); He did continue the unicorn education classes, but that only appears to be because the substitute teacher started it. He also spent one class on Nifflers, but the only reason for that was so that Ron would get mad at Harry about the leprachaun gold. Hagrid didn't even know diddly about the skrewts so the entire year was trial and error. On top of that, the whole bit about don't frighten the creature that almost killed you is getting a bit old. Hagrid needs to grow up if he wants to be a decent teacher. He needs to figure out what he can do that his students cant. Otherwise Dumbledore needs to get a professor who is willing to teach and not just play games with a single creature for an entire year. If JKR wants us to think that Hagrid is teaching about other creatures as well, then she needs to put it in the book, at least as a line or two. But she consistently writes Hagrid as spending last year on the Flobberworms and this year on the skrewts. enough is enough. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:31:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7380 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Reply To: [Yahoo! #7375] wizard burnings & the freezing charm Date: 8/20/00 4:31 pm (ET) Remember, the bit about the flame freezing charm was in an essay Harry himself wrote, so he might have got his facts wrong or even made the whole thing up (although I rather doubt the latter). Also, a flame freezing charm might not work on dragon flame--maybe the flame itself has some sort of magic that protects it. As far as why Hogwarts was built isolated from muggles, even if muggles couldn't really hurt witches and wizards, they might have been somewhat of a danger to wizard children who weren't good enough at magic to defend themselves. Even if they couldn't do real harm, they would make a nuisance of themselves, and it would be a lot more conducive to teaching if there were none of them around From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:38:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7381 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7360] Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 4:38 pm (ET) >>Does anyone else think that Krum is a little too old to be pursuing Hermione? O.K I know Hermione is 14 and is he is 17 but...<< Too old? Nah. My sister dated a 26-year-old when she was 18. Sometimes women like older men because the guys their age are not mature enough. ~Kaitlin From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:57:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7382 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7132] Re: Relationships Date: 8/20/00 4:57 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/17/00 10:18 pm I suppose this probably goes in a related category to the slash, but I think you all are overlooking annother possibility - a non-monogamous relationship. What if the ultimate relationship is Harry, Hermione AND Ron? --------------- Oh Brooks! sigh. I know your kidding. My problem is that I see these young people as just that, young. They are 14 years old. emotionally they are babies, just beginning to think about relationships and in no way ready to settle down or go into, shall we say, less conventional relationships. I have trouble speeding these characters from 14 into their 20s or at least their late teens and discussing their ultimate sexual relationships. They are 14 and should just be starting to think about dating. I don't think any of them should or will end up with anyone else in the book. They're only 14. Additionally, JKR has given no indication whatsoever that Harry or Ron have any homosexual tendencies. They wouldn't have responded to the Veela that way if that had been the case. I've also got to say that I normally ignore the discussion of homosexual tendencies in 14 year olds, even if they are fictional characters. I deal with 14 and 15 year old girls who have year old children and its not a pretty sight. I've got a girl who turned 13 in February and is 2 months pregnant. the case worker says that she has only a minimal understanding of why she's pregnant. Normally I ignore the discussion, but imagining some threesome amongst kids who are 14 years old got me going. Sorry, but there you are. I'll be quiet now and let the rest of you have your fun. Vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 21:11:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Relationships Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7383 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Relationships Reply To: [Yahoo! #7382] Re: Relationships Date: 8/20/00 5:11 pm (ET) Aside from the fact that it was facetious, I didn't necessarily mean to imply a bi-trio, nor did I mean that they would go that way as a 3-some at fourteen. 18, maybe. I know a couple of women who wouldn't mind two guys at once.... From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 21:31:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: OT: US Education (brief) and wizard edu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7384 From: vjmerri Subject: OT: US Education (brief) and wizard edu Reply To: [Yahoo! #7208] Re: OT: US Education (BEWARE--long!) Date: 8/20/00 5:31 pm (ET) By: selah_1977 Date: 8/18/00 5:15 pm On behalf of all of those who represent the worst of my profession, I apologize. I like the fact that the public is demanding more from schools. As one who teaches three sections of fifth grade (among other things), reading Alicia's post about her experience with parts of speech drills made me ashamed of what we as educators have passed off as professionalism. ------------- Even though this OT is two days old, I wanted to explain that I did not in any way, shape or form MEAN to imply that US educators were not doing their job. NOT AT ALL. It _was_ intended as a jab at US parents (present company excepted, I'm sure) who do not instill in their children a) an understanding of the necessity for education, if not a love for it and b) a respect for the teachers and c) some discipline to behave themselves in class. Education _does_ begin at home. vicki De rigeur on topic question. Hermione and Justin appear to have gone to regular muggle primary schools, as did Harry. I'm thinking that wizarding families couldn't send their children to muggle schools until they were old enough to understand not to talk about magic. That would be awhile. Young kids just talk about things from home without any concept of what is normal and what isn't. I can see a 6 or 7 year old visiting a muggle friend and asking where her mom's wand is. After all, mom always makes dinner with her magic wand. What happened to your mom's wand? Of course, some of that might be taken as normal children's imagination, but too much and people would start to investigate. From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 21:51:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:51:00 -0400 Subject: Harry and Frodo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7385 From: jferer Subject: Re: Harry and Frodo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7371] Harry and Frodo Date: 8/20/00 5:51 pm (ET) EXACTLY, Danemead!! Good job! You said it much better than I did! Harry is paying a price, and he isn't done paying, either. I hope it turns out better for him, but it doesn't look good for Harry that way from this point in the story. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 21:51:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:51:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7386 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7221] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/20/00 5:51 pm (ET) By: jmhohman_2000 Could the lack of what we call formal education in Chemistry, etc. be one of the reasons wizards are so totally ignorant of the muggle world? ------------- true, it could become a cycle. I don't think they need to know chemistry when they have potions, but knowing a bit about a telephone and the way muggles dress would be a good thing. Also, if they ARE interacting in the villages, then they would know more than is implied. But if they AREN"T interacting, then everyone would get suspicious of the "strange standoffish family." Also, since their (at least the Weasleys) complete lack of knowledge implies they aren't interacting with the muggles in the villages they live in, otherwise, they'd pick up more information. Therefore, again, where do the young kids learn to read and write? If different from muggle primary school, what keeps truant officers from showing up at the Weasley's doorsteps? Perhaps Mrs. Weasley has to obliviate someone periodically. MY favorite reason for why Arthur doesn't know as much about muggles as he should is that "he works for the government." I died laughing when someone posted that. vicki From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:01:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7387 From: jferer Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7221] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/20/00 6:01 pm (ET) If it's still in print, you ought to look up "Murder and Magic" and the other Lord Darcy novels by Randall Garrett. They're alternate universe mysteries, in a universe where the Laws of Magic were discovered before the Renaissance, the Plantagenets still rule the Angevin (England/France) Empire, and the Church reformed itself from within and is the body that regulates the practice of magic. Magic is science here, and the "Khemic Arts" are an oddity. I keep thinking of these books reading Harry. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:03:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7388 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7238] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/20/00 6:03 pm (ET) By: spicoli323 Date: 8/18/00 9:46 pm I really don't think 13 is too old to play an 11 year old; at that age the camera seems to shave off a couple years and I don't think it's unusual to get ------------- I don't think his age is a major problem, but his face is. He LOOKS like he is 13, not 11 and the picture used as his official picture has an extremely "smarmy" expression on it. It almost screams (to me) "I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread." Plus he is wearing what appears to be a hat with a pot plant on it. He looks like he should have cast as Draco. Not as Harry. I will just pray that he isn't as obnoxious as he appears to be in that photograph and that he can act. vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:06:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard education of standard subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7389 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Wizard education of standard subject Reply To: [Yahoo! #7387] Re: Wizard education of standard subject Date: 8/20/00 6:06 pm (ET) Yeah, I have a Complete Lord Darcy somewhere - there was a really horribly pun titled story in there, too: "The Muddle of the Woad". From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:24:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7390 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7381] Re: Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 6:24 pm (ET) >>>>>>Does anyone else think that Krum is a little too old to be pursuing Hermione? O.K I know Hermione is 14 and is he is 17 but...<< >>>>Sometimes women like older men because the guys their age are not mature enough.<<<< A twist on this discussion... my nephew started dating a 33-year-old woman when he was a senior in high school. They are now happily married, and although he is only 30 years old now, he is even a "grand-dad" thanks to her sons by a previous marriage. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:26:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:26:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7391 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Reply To: [Yahoo! #7261] Re: Sirius: PoA vs. GoF: explanation Date: 8/20/00 6:26 pm (ET) By: blaise_42 Secondly, in PoA, the effect of his twelve years in Azkaban can easily be seen. In GoF, this experience has only a few cursory mentions. I find it hard to believe he has recovered so fully and so swiftly. ----------- Oh that's easy, and it explains the tropical birds that carried letters to Harry. He went to some sunny, tropical place and found a head shrinker. :-) Actually, joking aside, if he was still basically sane coming out of Azkaban, and he appeared to be, then spending two months sitting in the sun, gaining some weight and reflecting on the past, the present and the probable future, would have given him a better perspective. Perhaps he realizes that if he HAD succeeded in killing Peter, then he would never be able to be absolved of the crime. vicki From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:40:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: Stupid me Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7392 From: spicoli323 Subject: Stupid me Date: 8/20/00 6:40 pm (ET) I can beat anyone else who notices to it and say I realized I was wrong in my previous post about Harry writing the excerpt on the flame freezing charm. He was reading it from one of his textbooks. Guess that's what comes of my not reading carefully enough. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 22:51:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: Fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7393 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #7372] Re: Fanfic Date: 8/20/00 6:51 pm (ET) By: alicia5270 Date: 8/20/00 3:45 pm "The fic is "Fortuna Fatum", by CobraGirl. I love that one!" Yes, this is the one. I just reread it. Any HP/sci-fi fan could appreciate it. The author (who is new to fan fiction) is getting very good reviews, and quite a few of them... I've noticed that most MWPP fics are rarely reviewed. It may turn out to be one of the better "young" Sirius-centered stories out there. Again, as I searched for MWPP fics, I was reminded of the many reasons why Blaise is definitely one of the best MWPP authors out there. Very highly recommended. Ebony AKA AngieJ From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:03:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: stories of lost D & D players Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7394 From: GypsyCaine Subject: stories of lost D & D players Reply To: [Yahoo! #7333] Re: Hidden Colleges of Wizardry Date: 8/20/00 7:03 pm (ET) MSU. I have heard, and researched that story, intensively, but it's been awhile, so I might have some details wrong. I understand that there was a bright freshman who decided that the table top games weren't exciting enough, and since alot of the student body used the steam tunnels to get back and forth to class, he investigated, and discovered they stretched far far out. There was a non-fiction book I picked up, and I found it fascinating. It seemed that this man disappeared after being found more and more in character, as DM. (If I am right, they found him downsouth somewhere). This is the newsstory that Mazes and Monsters, the fictional book, was based on. The part that still holds a deep part of my mind was one of the props, a table, I believe that was in one piece in one of the "rooms", where the tunnels leading into it were about 2feet by 2 feet. There was no way the DM could get it into that room, but there it was anyway! It boggled alot of people's minds. Shrugs. Just a bit aside. Dee From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:07:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:07:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7395 From: jamesf991 Subject: Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7388] Re: HARRY POTTER HAS BEEN CAST!!! Date: 8/20/00 7:07 pm (ET) Please take a look at the pictures of Gabriel that are posted in the Club "Photos" section. They are much better than the "pot hat" shot. I think he looks absolutely perfect for the HP role, tho he does look older than 11. JamesF From alicia5270 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:16:00 2000 From: alicia5270 at yahoo.com (alicia5270) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:16:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo's Spazzing... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7396 From: alicia5270 Subject: Yahoo's Spazzing... Date: 8/20/00 7:16 pm (ET) If you look below, you'll see that the club was founded on December 31, 1969. Very interesting, as HP&SS came out almost 30 years after its first fan club formed... --Alicia/Sue "Punk Rock Princess" Spinnet From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Stories Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7397 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Arthurian Stories Reply To: [Yahoo! #7362] Re: Arthurian Stories Date: 8/20/00 7:18 pm (ET) "The Mists of Avalon" (Shelly?) There was a book that I read once, and haven't a clue what the title is! It's about Arthur and Morgana, from Morgana's point of view. This just might be it, can anyone verify for me? There is a scene where she is on horse back talking outside of Camelot. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:19:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Legends Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7398 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Arthurian Legends Reply To: [Yahoo! #7338] Re: Arthurian Legends Date: 8/20/00 7:19 pm (ET) Been reading messages, and didn't see anyone answer you yet, Jim. The Wicked Day is along the lines of the movie Camelot--it's about Mordred and Arthur. Does that help? From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:19:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:19:00 -0400 Subject: Krum's personality Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7399 From: vjmerri Subject: Krum's personality Reply To: [Yahoo! #7340] Re: Sorting Krum (wasEquality in sorting Date: 8/20/00 7:19 pm (ET) By: catlady_de_los_angeles We're seeing in him a student who shouldn't have been in Dumstrang in the first place -- he'e entirely too straight a shooter for that. -------------- I know that Durmstrang students are taught the dark arts, but I don't think that's enough to condemn the whole school. Durmstrang has a history that is lengthier than Karkaroff, and we shouldn't assume that people from Durmstrang aren't honest, generally law abiding wizard citizens. Durmstrang has been the standard school (as far as we can tell) for students from either northern eastern europe or Russia (or both) for hundreds of years. Krum got his wand from Gregorovitch, which is definitely Russian. The only reason that the Durmstrang students sat at the Slytherin table was because they happened to sit there the first evening. It was a chance happening that promoted JKR's storyline. ----------- GoF does emphasize the contrast between his clumsy and graceless walk and and his perfect broom-flying. Someone on some e-mail-list suggested that the Seeking is not his own talent but something that he was bewitched to do, which ----------------- I don't see any reason to assume that he is bewitched. I think he is just shy and basically insecure, and has this one major talent, his quidditch playing. Now obviously if he wasn't a good wizard, he'd never have been durmstrang's champion. He was probably a bit like Harry was before he (Harry)went to Hogwarts, and was teased for his round shoulders and duck walking. Quidditch may be the first time the girls have collapsed all over him, and he doesn't trust it one bit. He knows its all superficial. That's why he likes Hermione who is not only a good student but who has never particularly admired Quidditch. He seems a quiet introverted fellow who really wants to study. he was always spending time in the Library with his books. Some of that may have been to try to talk with Hermione, but I think he really is at heart a studious person, and thinks of his Quidditch ability as a freak talent, and thus "not the real Viktor." The more I thought about Viktor after reading the book, the more I liked him. I think he will show up in future books. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:34:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:34:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7400 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7374] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/20/00 7:34 pm (ET) Hello -- <<<JKR practically beat us over the head in GoF to indicate that Ron and Hermione like each other romantically. Ron doesn't realize it, but he was completely jealous of Krum and acted extremely childishly at the yule ball. Hermione, IMO, knows that she likes Ron, but since she isn't stupid, she isn't going to tell him point blank. She wants to see if he likes her.>>> Ron clearly likes Hermione. JKR did all but beat us over the head with it. What typically happens when JKR beats her readers over the head with something though? She throws a monkey wrench into the whole thing. She's the master of subtlety, and while it's mostly subtle, the subtext of Hermione liking *Harry* (not Ron) is most assuredly there. You'll see my reasoning in detail in the Club FAQ on Potential Romance Pairings. But, I can't imagine she's going to do something so *obvious* as pair Ron & Hermione off. That's not in keeping with her style. <<<I really dont think that Harry will have any lasting special relationships in the seven books, but meeting a new person is the best chance. I just don't see him with anyone we've been introduced to to date. Romantic Relationships just aren't where JKR is taking this book series. They are sidebars at best.>>> I actually pretty much agree with this point. Although, I still see strong possibilities for the "Farmer in the Dell" theory. I see H/H as a post-Hogwarts thing for the most part though. <<<QUESTION: where do the terms ship and shippers come from, as in Harry/Ginny shippers.>>> Ship is shorthand for relationship. Shippers is shorthand for a "relationshipper" if there's such a word -- someone who prefers a particular relationship pairing. Penny (the ultimate H/H shipper) From jferer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:41:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:41:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo's Spazzing... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7401 From: jferer Subject: Re: Yahoo's Spazzing... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7396] Yahoo's Spazzing... Date: 8/20/00 7:41 pm (ET) the Punk Rock Princess wrote, "If you look below, you'll see that the club was founded on December 31, 1969. Very interesting, as HP&SS came out almost 30 years after its first fan club formed..." At least we've solved the mystery of what Sybil Trelawney's first real prediction was. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 23:59:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders - character/sorting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7402 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Marauders - character/sorting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7352] Marauders - character/sorting Date: 8/20/00 7:59 pm (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 8/20/00 1:54 pm wrote: I want to qualify my assertion that Sirius is an introvert. In fact, introvert may be the wrong term in this case. I didn't mean to suggest he is, for example, painfully shy, like 'a rabbit trapped in headlights.' I'm thinking more of someone who keeps his own counsel and is somewhat aloof in social settings. I don't think this is at odds with his being a jokester or a woman-magnet. I see a clever, wry, humourist rather than a slapstick funmaker (like one of the twins). Am I making any sense at all? *********************** I definitely agree with this assessment. I always hesitated to use the word jokester with Sirius because I didn't really think he was a lot like the Weasley twins in terms of jokes. IMO his was a different sort of humor...clever wry humorist definitely fits...thanks for expressing that...and the introversion of "keeping his own counsel" I would also agree with...in that it seems he tends to have a few intense friendships, rather than many casual aquaintances. carole who is way too analytical about Sirius. From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 00:00:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:00:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Stories Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7403 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: Arthurian Stories Reply To: [Yahoo! #7397] Re: Arthurian Stories Date: 8/20/00 8:00 pm (ET) Hi. This probably is the book you are thinking about. "The Mists of Avalon" is told mainly from Morgaine's side, but also from Irgraine (Arthur and Morgaine's mother) Vivian, the Lady of the Lake, Morgause, and Gwenivere. It is mainly about Morgaine becoming a priestess of the Great Goddess and what happens to her and everyone at Camelot afterword. Bradley has also written a couple of "prequels" to this book. They don't deal with Camelot, but with the goddess' if you like that portion of the book. Like I said I highly recommend this book. Morgaine is on a horse in various parts of the book, so this could be the one. Let me know if you happen to find it or read it and what you thought of it. It is about 10-15 years old so you should be able to find a used copy of it somewhere. Later Shelly From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 00:24:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:24:00 -0400 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7404 From: jamesf991 Subject: Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7364] Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Date: 8/20/00 8:24 pm (ET) >The problem with Rickman is his age; he's too >old for Snape, who is in his early forties at >most. Snape was a contemporary of Sirius, Lupin, >and James Potter. James had Harry fairly young >(let's say about 25) and so he'd only be 39 or >40 now. People seem to be complaining that at least three of the rumoured principal actors are "too old" for their parts (Smith, Rickman, and Thomson). Perhaps someone with stage or film experience can comment on "the magic of makeup" in altering an actor or actress's apparent age. Could Rickman be made to appear to be in his early 40's (he's 54), or Smith to be in her 50's? At least Richard Harris, 70, is the perfect age for Dumbledore. I just hope he survives to play in all 7 films. -JamesF, age 50 but looks 35 :) From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 00:54:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:54:00 -0400 Subject: The Granger Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7405 From: selah_1977 Subject: The Granger Interview Date: 8/20/00 8:54 pm (ET) Hello all: I sincerely hope that club member Jim (jferer) doesn't get mad at me for spilling the beans about his new fan fiction. I'm *still* online, been off and on all day, compiling a list of fics. I ran across this brand new fic when I rebooted. Let me say that it is very good. For those of you who avoid fanfiction for all of the many legitimate reasons (g), give this one a try. The depth of analysis that you see in Jim's posts is reflected in the post-Hogwarts interview with Hermione. There is nothing of the cliche about it. As for me, I sincerely hope that we see more fics from "Dadgrid". Sorry for my fic rants, but you must understand that being a regular reader at FFnet is a little bit like being a 49er. Please forgive and perhaps even indulge my cries of "Eureka!" when I strike gold over there. Thanks. Ebony AKA AngieJ From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:10:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7406 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7404] Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Date: 8/20/00 9:10 pm (ET) >Perhaps someone with stage or film experience >can comment on "the magic of makeup" in altering >an actor or actress's apparent age. Could Rickman >be made to appear to be in his early 40's >(he's 54), or Smith to be in her 50's? Look at Joan Rivers, she's at least 150 years old, but looks only 25 ;) I think a little hair dye and proper makeup could easily take 15 years off an actor. And judging by recent pictures, I don't think he looks 54 to begin with. --Rita From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:21:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:21:00 -0400 Subject: Temporal paradox Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7407 From: spicoli323 Subject: Temporal paradox Date: 8/20/00 9:21 pm (ET) <<<the Punk Rock Princess wrote, "If you look below, you'll see that the club was founded on December 31, 1969. Very interesting, as HP&SS came out almost 30 years after its first fan club formed..." At least we've solved the mystery of what Sybil Trelawney's first real prediction was>>> No, it's not that. I think it's obvious that someone has been messing with a Time-Turner. From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:55:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: Alan Rickman-Snape? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7408 From: jferer Subject: Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7404] Re: Alan Rickman-Snape? Date: 8/20/00 9:55 pm (ET) Thar's room in this here town for on'y wun JamesF who's 50, pilgrim....High Noon... Sorry, lost my head... I don't think Smith looks too old. It's people's notions of what McGonagall looks like that says she's in her 50's. Maggie Smith is right. (My first choice was Judi Dench, but Maggie Smith is just fine.) From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 01:57:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: Temporal paradox Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7409 From: jferer Subject: Re: Temporal paradox Reply To: [Yahoo! #7407] Temporal paradox Date: 8/20/00 9:57 pm (ET) "I think it's obvious someone has been messing with a Time-Turner". Actually, what probably happened is Hermione left it in her robes when she put them in the dryer. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 02:04:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: Another parallelism I just caught Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7410 From: brooksindy Subject: Another parallelism I just caught Date: 8/20/00 10:04 pm (ET) Here's a weird one I just noticed. Dudley's friend in the first book, the "rat-faced boy" (JKR's description) who holds people's arms behind their back while Dudely hits them and who goes to the zoo with the Dursleys, is Piers Polkiss. Then in book three we get Peter Pettigrew who can TURN into a rat. I wonder if PP will be as important a combination is Harry Potter's life, but for reasons of signifying unpleasant people, as LL is for Superman's life, where all his most signifcant romantic women have those initials? From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 02:17:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: How the movie SHOULD have been made Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7411 From: jferer Subject: How the movie SHOULD have been made Date: 8/20/00 10:17 pm (ET) If you accept the idea that there was bound to be a Harry Potter movie, come hell or high water, then there is only one person to make it, and he's an animator -- Hayao Miyazaki and his Studio Ghibli. Miyazaki is one of the world's greatest directors of any kind. He his whole career has been one preparation for bringing Harry to the screen. My case: 1. He has made an adventure set in beautifully rendered castles rich with momets of suspense and fun [Castle of Cagliostro] 2. He has made a sensitive, perceptive movie about a thirteen year old witch coming of age and learning about herself, with terrific scenes of flying, which Miyazaki loves: [Kiki's Delivery Service]. 3. He has made a movie about nature and love and natural magic, the most decent movie ever made [My Neighbor Totoro] 4. He was producer with his partner Isao Takahata as director of the most heartrending movie you have ever, ever seen (I seriously tell you this movie may disturb you for a while) [The Grave of the Fireflies]. That's not all. He made Princess Mononoke, a rich, complex movie that was the highest grossing movie made in Japan. (If you look, you will see a homage to Princess Mononoke in Fantasia 2000) Don't think it's odd for a Japanese to make Harry Potter. Cagliostro and Kiki's are set in Europe. I know this will never happen, but nobody else would have the sensitivity and respect for the material Miyazaki would have. I recommend his work very highly for its own sake. You can find out more about him in Helen McCarthy's "Hayao Miyazaki: Master of Japanese Animation". Alas, we will never know what might have been. What we're going to get is from the folks that bring us "Home Alone" and Pokemon. From NOSTEPHOT at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 02:41:00 2000 From: NOSTEPHOT at yahoo.com (NOSTEPHOT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: Another parallelism I just caught Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7412 From: NOSTEPHOT Subject: Re: Another parallelism I just caught Reply To: [Yahoo! #7410] Another parallelism I just caught Date: 8/20/00 10:41 pm (ET) I can see where you are going with the PP but there are many other PP's at Hogwarts... And they are many Slytherdin's in this case. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 02:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: Another parallelism I just caught Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7413 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Another parallelism I just caught Reply To: [Yahoo! #7412] Re: Another parallelism I just caught Date: 8/20/00 10:44 pm (ET) Actually I think maybe he only needs to distrust the rat-like ones... From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 02:55:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo's Spazzing... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7414 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Yahoo's Spazzing... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7401] Re: Yahoo's Spazzing... Date: 8/20/00 10:55 pm (ET) I'm going to report this weirdness to Yahoo. I'm supposed to recieve messages by e-mail, and I haven't gotten any since last night. Also, I went to show photos of the cast to my dad (also an HP fan), and half of our albums were gone. Does anyone know what's going on? Is this just me? ~Joy~ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 03:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: attrition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7415 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: attrition Reply To: [Yahoo! #7377] attrition Date: 8/20/00 11:05 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I don't think there is really an attition problem. Lupin remembered a boy who "almost got killed" so I don't think its normal to lose students. the parents aren't likely to remove their children from the only/or at least the best school in the UK. Such "minor" happenings are probably part and parcel for wizard students.>>> I had the impression Randy was being a bit facetious with those comments about attrition. <g> Penny From joy0823 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 03:06:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo's Spazzing... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7416 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Yahoo's Spazzing... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7414] Re: Yahoo's Spazzing... Date: 8/20/00 11:06 pm (ET) I forgot to mention that if you get an automatic message from Yahoo, just reply to the address given with a copy of your original message. If you get another autoresponder back, send your message again. I used to work for Geocities, so I know a little something about how Yahoo works. An actual person doesn't get to see a message until a responder doesn't solve the problem. Please, everyone report these problems, and be diligent. ~Joy~ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 03:16:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:16:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7417 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7381] Re: Krum & Hermione Date: 8/20/00 11:16 pm (ET) Hi: <<<>>Does anyone else think that Krum is a little too old to be pursuing Hermione? O.K I know Hermione is 14 and is he is 17 but...<< <<<Too old? Nah. My sister dated a 26-year-old when she was 18. Sometimes women like older men because the guys their age are not mature enough.>>> Just my opinion, but dating a considerably older man when you're 18 is quite different from dating a considerably older man when you're 14. People have pointed out that a 4 yr age gap isn't that unusual, and that's true, it's not. Not when you're 20 & you're dating someone who's 24. But 14 is a bit young to be dating an adult (I think). Just my opinion. In any case, I had the impression that Hermione herself was a bit (perhaps more than a bit) uncomfortable with the relationship & Krum's feelings. I have the impression that she doesn't see *herself* as being quite ready for that sort of relationship. Besides which, maybe I'm missing the boat, but I keep coming back to the JKR statements made prior to the release of GoF -- all 3 major characters would fall for or date the *wrong* person she said. So, if you argue she "fell" for or dated Krum in Book 4, then he's the *wrong* person. Doesn't mean they won't continue to date for some period of time in Book 5 -- he could continue to be Mr. Wrong for a bit longer. But I doubt it b/c I figure he'll be off fighting the dark forces & not hanging out romancing a 15 yr old Hogwarts student. Same deal with Cho of course. She's Harry's "wrong person." I guess Fleur qualifies as Ron's "wrong person," although being the H/H shipper that I am, I can't help but raise the prospect that Hermione is Ron's "Ms. Wrong" since she's the one he *really* fell for in this book (he just doesn't know it yet). <g> Just my 2 galleons -- Penny From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 04:00:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7418 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6733] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/21/00 12:00 am (ET) Oh my goodness, Alicia/Sue Huck Finn WAS okay, but a Separate Peace was awful..I read the latter in a college class that I took determined to make up for my lack of seriousness about literature.... From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 04:37:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:37:00 -0400 Subject: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7419 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Reply To: [Yahoo! #6564] Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Date: 8/21/00 12:37 am (ET) You had the feeling that Lucius Malfoy wasn't highy impressed with his son's abilities either... No, this is just the way abusive evil men treat their sons, they can never be quite good enough, so son decides to outdo dad..........Draco has totally bought into Lucius' devotion to the Dark Side (sorry to Voldemort)....Draco was exulting in the fact that Voldemort had risen, which no matter what Harry had done, was a victory for the adherents of Tom Riddle/a/k/a/ Lord Voldemort From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 04:42:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:42:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, another question about DE's Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7420 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Ok, another question about DE's Reply To: [Yahoo! #6558] Re: Ok, another question about DE's Date: 8/21/00 12:42 am (ET) Oh, my goodness. This is the one thing that I do NOT like about the HP novels (and I adore them all). This is about Dark Magic..usually known as Black Magic. I have been personally appalled by the television focus on black/blood magic as if it occurred daily. This is of particular concern to me as a pagan because folks assume we practice dark/blood magic, which of course we don't. But Voldemort, et aliae, do. The terrible scene where Pettigrew does the ritual of blood...bone of the murdered father of Voldemort...blood from his own severed hand..and blood of the enemy..Harry..combines to allow Voldemort to rise.. Unfortunately, and disgustingly, it's classic dark magic....evil magicians feed off the pain, torture, death of another and become more powerful...(Mercedes Lackey does a good job of describing it in her books)...hence the term Death Eaters...they feed off death..... From profadumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 04:52:00 2000 From: profadumbledore at yahoo.com (profadumbledore) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7421 From: profadumbledore Subject: Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Reply To: [Yahoo! #6798] Re: Harry Potter article in NY Times tod Date: 8/21/00 12:52 am (ET) and what was that book by ford maddox ford? From ausclub7 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 05:10:00 2000 From: ausclub7 at yahoo.com (ausclub7) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:10:00 -0400 Subject: prof. trelawny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7422 From: ausclub7 Subject: prof. trelawny Date: 8/21/00 1:10 am (ET) this might be going over old territory, but what do you think Trelawny's first true prediction concerned? ive got no idea, but id be interested to hear other people's theories. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 05:45:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7423 From: Orrianne Subject: Re: Krum & Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7370] Re: Krum & Hermione Date: 8/21/00 1:45 am (ET) Well, Krum is 17 and Hermione is 14, which is a rather large age gap. However, we don't even know and can most likely presume that Hermione and Krum haven't even kissed yet! And Hermione obviously means a lot to Krum to be at the bottom of that lake, hence we can assume that his feelings for her are genuine. Krum commented that he had never met anyone like Hermione before, which probably relates to her strength of character, her intelligence, her frankness and honesty in dealing with other people, and most of all - the fact that Hermione didn't drool over him like all the other girls around the school. Krum was always followed by a group of females who were impressed with him because he was famous and a Quidditch player, but Hermione wasn't attracted or interested in him for those reasons whatsoever. That set her apart from nearly all the other girls at Hogwarts, and gave her a virtue that Krum obviously liked: if she was going to like him, it was for who he was as a person and not because he was famous. If Krum was a player and interested in easy girls he could get away with manipulating a lot, I don't think that he'd be interested in Hermione. Because of that, I think that Krum is a good guy. Not to mention the fact that Harry thought he was okay as well. Harry is a pretty good judge of character - he nailed Draco Malfoy right away, for one thing. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 06:09:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: Age question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7424 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Age question Reply To: [Yahoo! #7293] Age question Date: 8/21/00 2:09 am (ET) > I just flipped thru the beginnings > of PoA again, and noted (or was > reminded) that Hermione's birthday > is in September - which left me with > a question - is she 10 months older > than, or 2 months younger than, Harry? The cutoff date (which I understand to be September 1) would make her a year older. However, toward the end of PoA, Harry and Hermione try to tell Dumbledore all about the Black/Pettigrew "mixup," to prevent the Dementors from "kissing" Black. Dumbledore points out that it's Snape's word against that of "two thirteen year olds". If she's thirteen at that point, she'd be younger than Harry and most of her classmates. Maybe someone pulled strings to let her start school early. Or maybe Hogwarts has a slightly different cutoff date than Muggle schools. Not too far off though, as Angelina Johnson and Cedric Diggory were both 17 (old enough to enter the Tournament) by Halloween in their sixth year. On the other hand, Dumbledore may have misspoken. He did have a few things on his mind other than two students' birthdates and exact ages. Melanie From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 06:32:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:32:00 -0400 Subject: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7425 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Reply To: [Yahoo! #7419] Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Date: 8/21/00 2:32 am (ET) > You had the feeling that Lucius Malfoy wasn't highy impressed with his son's abilities either... No, this is just the way abusive evil men treat their sons, they can never be quite good enough, so son decides to outdo dad It occurred to me on recent re-reading of CoS that Draco may be a very clever student. His father told him that he should be ashamed that a Muggle-born girl did better than him in every subject. If my grades were second only to Hermione's, I'd be very proud of myself! It occurred to me on recent re-reading of PoA that Draco might be a good enough Seeker that he should have gotten onto the team without his father having to buy his way in (with the new brooms all round). Slytherin DID win 3 out of 4 matches with him as Seeker, and would have won the match against Gryffindor if Harry hadn't snatched the Snitch out of his hands, which Harry could not have done if he hadn't had a Firebolt, if he had had 'merely' a Nimbus 2000 or Nimbus 2001. (I continue to feel uncomfortable about the entire wizarding world going crazy for a game that depends so much on how much money the player or team can afford to spend on equipment.) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 06:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7426 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7400] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/21/00 2:33 am (ET) > I actually pretty much agree with this point. Although, I still see strong possibilities for the "Farmer in the Dell" theory. I see H/H as a post-Hogwarts thing for the most part though. WHAT IS "Farmer in the Dell" theory? From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 07:13:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:13:00 -0400 Subject: The Granger Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7427 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: The Granger Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #7405] The Granger Interview Date: 8/21/00 3:13 am (ET) To make it easier to find from here, I'm currently HTML-izing the interview, and will put in a link to it from our current (soon to be updated) FAQ page. This is assuming, of course, that the link doesn't again disappear from the club Home Page. I just tested the link, BTW, Penny, and it went right where it should. Melanie From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 07:47:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:47:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7428 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #6604] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/21/00 3:47 am (ET) <<I could go for a "Virtual Quidditch" game, but besides that I would only accept a Harry Potter computer game if it were an Infocom-esque text adventure. (In two words, UN-likely.)>> Do books translate well to this type of a game? I may still have my "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" game. But I'd have to dust it off--I only have it for the Apple II (yikes!). I actually never finished it--never got past the Bable fish. However, this isn't why I'm responding....I believe that the Infocom game engine was placed in the public domain. It would be interesting to translate Harry Potter to a text adventure. I'll try and remember to search for it (or something like it). >From who's point of view would the game be? > Pickup broom and jump. A mighty attempt is made to fly. Alas you fail and foolishly hit the ground nearly breaking an ankle. Perhaps, Neville, you should ask Harry for some tips. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 08:51:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:51:00 -0400 Subject: Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleur? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7429 From: Orrianne Subject: Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleur? Date: 8/21/00 4:51 am (ET) Fleur and Krum were two new characters we were introduced to in book 4. I am hoping that both are characters which we will see again, and I have a sneaky suspicion that we will. Dumbledore went out of his way to make sure that the Dumstrang students would be welcome at Hogwarts. If it's possible in the wizard world, and Krum still has another year of school, might he transfer to Hogwarts to be closer to Hermione? If Krum continues to pursue Hermione, how will Ron's react? On the other side, Fleur commented that she would like to get a job at Hogwarts. Considering her acheivements in the tournament, I'm not sure I'd give her a job, but then, that jinxed Dark Arts slot is always open. If Gilderoy could get the job, why not Fleur? We all know that Ron gets smitten with Fleur whenever she is around, and Hermione is the one who gets jealous whenever Ron runs after Fleur. If both Krum and Fleur are around, Ron and Hermione might continue to bicker and get sidetracked. However, I think that Ron and Hermione are meant to be together. Fate will see them through, and their romance is a sidebar to Harry's adventures and the threat of Lord Voldemort in any case. Personally, I'd love to see what would happen is Fleur returns to teach at the school and Ron ends up following her around. Won't Hermione be pissed? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 10:07:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:07:00 -0400 Subject: How the movie SHOULD have been made Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7430 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: How the movie SHOULD have been made Reply To: [Yahoo! #7411] How the movie SHOULD have been made Date: 8/21/00 6:07 am (ET) I'd like to remind you that Pokemon is a JAPANESE invention. But speaking of how the movie should be made, the best director for the job IMO is TIM BURTON. From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 11:00:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:00:00 -0400 Subject: How the movie SHOULD have been made Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7431 From: jferer Subject: Re: How the movie SHOULD have been made Reply To: [Yahoo! #7430] Re: How the movie SHOULD have been made Date: 8/21/00 7:00 am (ET) I couldn't disagree more about Tim Burton. I do not want a Goth-fest dark weird dystopic movie. Who would be the hero, Harry or Voldemort? There is no way I'd go see it. As far as Pokemon goes, of course it's Japanese. So is Godzilla, but he isn't going to trample down Hogwarts. What's the point, there are such things as bad Japanese movies? Some of the greatest movies ever made were Japanese. Same with some of the worst. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 12:29:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:29:00 -0400 Subject: Grades, was Arresting Malfoys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7432 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Grades, was Arresting Malfoys Reply To: [Yahoo! #7425] Re: Arresting Malfoys (was: feeling Arth Date: 8/21/00 8:29 am (ET) Catlady rearranged the electrons to say: >It occurred to me on recent re-reading of CoS that Draco may be a very clever student. His father told >him that he should be ashamed that a Muggle-born girl did better than him in every subject. Even Potions!?!? Snape may have a streak of fairness in him after all! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 13:26:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:26:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7433 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7426] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/21/00 9:26 am (ET) Hi: Catlady asked: <<<WHAT IS "Farmer in the Dell" theory?>>> Ebony (and/or her students) have dubbed my theory the "Farmer in the Dell" theory. It works thus: Ron likes Hermione Hermione likes Harry Harry likes either noone or someone outside the Trio This could obviously lead to jealousy, betrayal & all sorts of problems. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 14:25:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: Back from vacation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7434 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Back from vacation! Date: 8/21/00 10:25 am (ET) Hi, everyone. I've been away on vacation, and computer-less, and I'm now also Harry Potter book-less, so if you'll bear with me, I'll post Chapter 7's synopsis tomorrow. Now I have to read hundreds of messages in order to catch up! voicelady - who SHOULD be working! From magicalhp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 14:43:00 2000 From: magicalhp at yahoo.com (magicalhp) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7435 From: magicalhp Subject: Harry Date: 8/21/00 10:43 am (ET) http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_889000/889177.stm Can't imagine that Haley Joel Osment has been considered a front-runner for months though. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:13:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:13:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7436 From: heiditandy Subject: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 11:13 am (ET) http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/cmp/newsflash-fr.html And there's a PHOTO too! Ron's too short, but it's not a bad group, imho, but I'm sure others will disagree. Director Chris Columbus and producer David Heyman have discovered their Harry Potter, Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger from the thousands of children who cast their names into the hat to play the roles. Young actor Daniel Radcliffe will be the film's Harry, with newcomers Rupert Grint and Emma Watson taking on the roles of Ron and Hermione, Harry's best friends at Hogwarts, in Warner Bros. Pictures' upcoming adaptation of the first in the best-selling series of Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling. Lorenzo di Bonaventura, President, Worldwide Theatrical Production, Warner Bros. Pictures, made the announcement today. "We searched through all Muggle and Wizard households to find just the right young people to play Harry, Ron and Hermione and we have found them in Dan, Rupert and Emma," di Bonaventura said. "These are magical roles, the kind that come around once in a lifetime, and they required talented children who can bring magic to the screen." "We saw so many enormously talented kids in the search for Harry," said Columbus. "The process was intense and there were times when we felt we would never find an individual who embodied the complex spirit and depth of Harry Potter. Then, Dan walked into the room and we all knew we had found Harry. We were equally elated upon meeting Emma and Rupert who are perfect for the roles of Hermione and Ron. I couldn't be happier to begin work with such talented, inspiring young actors." Added David Heyman, "While we have been alternately amused and bemused by the rumors about what we're doing, we are overjoyed to finally put them to rest. These are tremendously talented British kids who will bring so much to the film. We have always been and continue to be devoted to remaining true and faithful to the book." Added J. K. Rowling, "Having seen Dan Radcliffe screen test, I don't think Chris Columbus could have found a better Harry. I wish Dan, Emma and Rupert the very best of luck and hope that they have as much fun acting the first year at Hogwarts as I had writing it." Eleven year old Daniel Radcliffe recently portrayed young David in the BBC's David Copperfield and will be seen later this year in the John Boorman film The Tailor of Panama. Ten year old Emma Watson and eleven year old Rupert Grint have both acted in school plays. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:22:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7437 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #7428] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/21/00 11:22 am (ET) Oh, please do! I remember loving my Hitchhiker's Guide game, which I admit to playing on my laptop in the early 90's during property class in my first year of lawschool. I would love to have a Harry Potter game to play as well - if I could do one, it would be from the position of a DADA teacher trying to make it to the end of the year - or at least, like Lupin, thru the final exam! From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:22:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7438 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7436] The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 11:22 am (ET) Hi! Yes the kid to play Ron is a little short, but we can't nitpick. When I saw the picture I thought to myself, Yep here is the trio. Hope they all do a good job. And the fact that Rowling happens to be happy with the one to play Harry relieves my mind a bit. The other kid (gabriel?) just seemed a tad bit too old. Shelly From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:25:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: Age question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7439 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Age question Reply To: [Yahoo! #7424] Re: Age question Date: 8/21/00 11:25 am (ET) This is a reply to 2 threads, including one I started. If hermione's older than Harry, then she's 15 by the end of GoF, and if Krum is 17 then, it's not too outrageous an age split at all. I don't have my book here - is there any mention in the end of GoF as to how old she is? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 15:44:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:44:00 -0400 Subject: " Pokemon & Harry Potter:A Betrayal..." Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7440 From: heiditandy Subject: " Pokemon & Harry Potter:A Betrayal..." Date: 8/21/00 11:44 am (ET) " Pokemon and Harry Potter: A Betrayal of Trust" is the title of a book by some guy named Phil Arms listed on Amazon.com - does anyone have any idea what this is about? >From looking at other books this guy is listed as author of, including Earth's Final Days : Essays in Apocalypse III and a criticism of the Promise Keepers, I would guess that he's one of those Muggles who believes that Harry Potter books are a direct line to Satan. From jferer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 16:25:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:25:00 -0400 Subject: "A Betrayal of Trust" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7441 From: jferer Subject: "A Betrayal of Trust" Reply To: [Yahoo! #7440] " Pokemon & Harry Potter:A Betrayal..." Date: 8/21/00 12:25 pm (ET) It has to be one of those religious rants against Harry -- but Pokemon? Huh? Who knows. It just seems that these people's faith is very fragile, for they can't stand the idea of *anything* that they could even imagine might be "competition". It takes a truly evil or dirty mind to see evil in Harry or something as harmless as Pokemon. (excepting the harm to my wallet when my kids want Pokemon cards) I tell you, these folks are blood brothers to the Taliban. I'd hate to be locked in a room with these guys and a rack. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 16:46:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:46:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7442 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7436] The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 12:46 pm (ET) I saw the photo and said YES, that is them! (Well, I always imagined Ron to be a tad taller than Harry, oh well, anyway). The girl is absolutely perfect for Hermione. She looks EXACTLY the way I always pictured her. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 16:53:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: Princess Mononoke and Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7443 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Princess Mononoke and Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #7411] How the movie SHOULD have been made Date: 8/21/00 12:53 pm (ET) I don't have a clue who jferer is but he is obviously right on this one. Harry Potter should be animated and Hayao Miyazaki is the one to do it. If you have never seen Princess Mononoke (and based on the box office results that's almost all of you) then you have missed what is arguably the finest animated movie of all time. We're not talking the cliched Disney features or the Disney Wannabes much less Pokemon (in my opinion death is too good for whoever did Pokemon). Princess Mononoke is on a scale with the finest animation of the Fantasias but with a rich complex story line. (As for Godzilla, I'll take the original Japanese Godzillas over the American version in a heartbeat.) Perhaps this is a whole new string. What movies to watch while waiting for the Harry Potter Movie. I heartedly suggest Princess Mononoke. A less heart felt recommendation is that you see one Chris Columbus's early movies, Goonies. (Kids searching for pirate treasure in a cave lined with traps that would intimidate Indiana Jones.) Of all his films, I think it's probably the closest to what the Harry Potter movie will end up looking like. (I can't tell you how I'm looking forward to the big song and dance production number to "Its a Hard Knock Life" from Annie. Of course, they'll come up with a different song but...) From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 16:59:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7444 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7442] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 12:59 pm (ET) I saw the photo and said YES, that is them! (Well, I always imagined Ron to be a tad taller than Harry, oh well, anyway). The girl is absolutely perfect for Hermione. She looks EXACTLY the way I always pictured her. ************************* same here...I thought they look perfect for the parts...plus it seems the boy to play Harry actually has some professional experience...that is a good sign... carole From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 17:07:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: She's making loads of galleons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7445 From: heiditandy Subject: She's making loads of galleons Date: 8/21/00 1:07 pm (ET) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000820/re/people_rowling_dc_2.html Writing about the antics of teenage wizard Harry Potter has catapulted J.K. Rowling to the top of the list of Britain's highest paid women, the Mail on Sunday newspaper reported. The single mother, who wrote the first Harry Potter novel in an Edinburgh cafe because she could not afford to heat her flat, earned $30.64 million in the past year, the report said. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 18:15:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: Links,was:She's making loads of galleons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7446 From: brooksindy Subject: Links,was:She's making loads of galleons Reply To: [Yahoo! #7445] She's making loads of galleons Date: 8/21/00 2:15 pm (ET) http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Entertainment/Harry_Potter/ There are all sorts of story, interview, etc. links here. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 18:22:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Update Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7447 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Yahoo Update Date: 8/21/00 2:22 pm (ET) Hi: I just spoke to one of the Yahoo customer care reps. Here's the scoop -- 1. Photo Albums -- They are just gone unfortunately. I hope those of you who had submitted photos can resubmit them. Although, the rep told me not to upload any replacement photos yet. Yahoo engineers are still investigating the "bug" that caused this. Apparently some of the other larger Yahoo clubs have this same problem. They are supposed to let me know when it's safe to update the photos section. Thanks to Smitster for getting our messages archived elsewhere. I'd hate to think we might lose those permanently at some point like the photo albums. 2. The date the club was founded -- the rep is reporting this to Yahoo engineers. 3. No emails -- This problem has also been reported to the Yahoo engineers, and they are investigating. The rep told me about a message board where I can post specific questions about how the Club will be affected by the Yahoo/egroups merger. I'm headed there now, and will give everyone an update when I know anything more. One nice thing about Yahoo -- they did call me back on their nickel. :--) Penny From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 18:49:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7448 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7374] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/21/00 2:49 pm (ET) JKR practically beat us over the head in GoF to indicate that Ron and Hermione like each other romantically. Ron doesn't realize it, but he was completely jealous of Krum and acted extremely childishly at the yule ball. I TOTALLY missed that - but yeah, you're right!!! I guess I have forgotten what it's like to be 14!! LOL! Still, I think Ron and Hermione are a rather odd pairing, but I'll trust JKR on this one and see where it goes. Marion From rietepiet_nl at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:00:00 2000 From: rietepiet_nl at yahoo.com (rietepiet_nl) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:00:00 -0400 Subject: PoU-list Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7449 From: rietepiet_nl Subject: PoU-list Date: 8/21/00 3:00 pm (ET) Hello, I'm new here and I've read about 500 messages, but now I'm puzzled. What is the PoU list? Please, will someone enlighten me? Thanks Riet From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:10:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7450 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7255] Friendship Date: 8/21/00 3:10 pm (ET) When it comes to sexual relationships, I can understand people wanting to pair off Hermione with Ron or Harry, but I don't want to see that. Okay, it may happen, but it's far more likely that all three will find love elsewhere, and much later. Has anyone here ended up in bed with a friend they met at age 11? I agree with you 100% Neil. These characters should stay life-long friends. These will be a much richer relationship for all of them. I hope JKR lets them find love elsewhere and remain friends 4-ever! Marion From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:14:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: The Trio's Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7451 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: The Trio's Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #7252] The Trio's Friendship Date: 8/21/00 3:14 pm (ET) I think that they have sort of reached a place beyond words, especially after Harry's last meeting with Voldemort. In both PoA and GoF all three have attempted hexes and charms simultaneously, cementing their communal thinking. This is a group which will only grow stronger together, no matter what happen in the "shippy" side of life. VERY well said Trina!! Ron, Hermione,and Harry remind me of the Three Musketeers! One for all, and all for one! Their friendship is one of the resounding themes in the HP novels. Marion From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:21:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: PoU-list Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7452 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: PoU-list Reply To: [Yahoo! #7449] PoU-list Date: 8/21/00 3:21 pm (ET) By: rietepiet_nl Date: 8/21/00 3:00 pm Hello, I'm new here and I've read about 500 messages, but now I'm puzzled. What is the PoU list? Please, will someone enlighten me? Thanks Riet ********************** the PoU list is an egroups list for the followers of a fanfiction titled Harry Potter and the Paradigm of Uncertainty. It is in the process of being written. We have 13 of 15 chapters so far. Its written by Lori Summers who created the list as a way of distributing the chapters and getting feedback. Its one of the best fanfictions out there about Harry / Hermione when they are mid-twenties. the link is included below. http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty carole From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:25:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: James's death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7453 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: James's death Reply To: [Yahoo! #7283] Re: James's death Date: 8/21/00 3:25 pm (ET) There are a lot of inconsistancies in POA, mostly I just ignore them because I enjoyed the book so much. But one question kept bugging me: since Sirius escaped Azkaban by turing himself into a dog, and had done so many times before, why did he not escape years ago??? He could have just turned himself into a dog and walked out of Azkaban twelve years ago - surely no one would stayed in Azkaban just becuase they would be an escaped convict?? Marion From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:31:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7454 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7436] The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 3:31 pm (ET) Well, Harry is also supposed to tall and lanky as well, which Daniel does indeed appear as, and with those glasses(!) a dead ringer to be certain. All Daniel needs is makeup for the scar, and he's the spitting image of Harry. And otherwise Rupert does look like Ron, and Emma like Hermione. Excellent casting. Now as long they can truly become the parts, which apparently isn't a problem, it looks like it will be an excellent film! From mkplummer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:31:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7455 From: mkplummer Subject: Re: Fleur's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7188] Fleur's love life Date: 8/21/00 3:31 pm (ET) I did however catch that she seemed a bit interested in Bill Weasleywhen the champions families meet before the 3rd task. This then begs the question is Bill too old for her...he after all must be in his mid to late 20's (26 or 27) so he may well be nearly 10 years older than Fleur....so who knows whether he would be interested in her... Oh, I think Bill would be VERY interested in Fleur! And an age difference of that length, between a man and woman (with the woman being younger) is on problem. I think there is a good possiblility that Fluer will turn out to be Ron's sister-in-law! Marion From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:37:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: James's death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7456 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: James's death Reply To: [Yahoo! #7453] Re: James's death Date: 8/21/00 3:37 pm (ET) >>> There are a lot of inconsistancies in POA, mostly I just ignore them because I enjoyed the book so much. But one question kept bugging me: since Sirius escaped Azkaban by turing himself into a dog, and had done so many times before, why did he not escape years ago??? He could have just turned himself into a dog and walked out of Azkaban twelve years ago - surely no one would stayed in Azkaban just becuase they would be an escaped convict?? >>> I think it's because he really didn't have anything to escape *for* until he saw the picture of Scabbers in the Daily Prophet. Then he realized that Pettigrew was still alive and at the same place as Harry -- a dangerous combination. If he'd escaped Azkaban earlier, the hunt for him would be just as frantic as it was in the beginning of PoA, and there would've been more of a chance of him being caught. After all, he didn't have Buckbeak to escape on, either. -- JoAnna From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:49:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7457 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #7428] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/21/00 3:49 pm (ET) >Do books translate well to this type of a game? I think a book like Harry would... So long as the game's storyline sharply diverges from the books. (Which _Hitchhiker's_ does.) >I may still have my "Hitchhiker's Guide to the >Galaxy" game. But I'd have to dust it off--I only >have it for the Apple II (yikes!). I actually never finished >it--never got past the Bable fish. By far the hardest part of the game. There are hints and solutions available on the 'Net, though I don't have the URL's... You might try the Douglas Adams newsgroup, alt.fan.douglas-adams. (Caveat: They tend to get testy if you ask a question there before reading the FAQ sheet.) >However, this isn't why I'm responding....I >believe that the Infocom game engine was placed in the >public domain. It's called "Inform" -- There are two other popular text adventure writing packages -- TADS and AdvSys. There's a lot info on rec.arts.int-fiction. >It would be interesting to translate Harry Potter to a text adventure. I'll try and >remember to search for it (or something like it). >From who's point of view would the game be? It could be mutiple POV's (_Hitchhiker's_ is!): >THROW THE FILLBUSTER FIREWORK Unfortunately, the firework explodes right in front of Professor Snape. In a rage, he points his wand at you and snarls, "_Transpsyche_!" You see an explosition of colored swirling lights and you fall to the floor. A minute later you regain consciousness and are a bit distressed to suddenly find yourself in the girls' dormitory! >LOOK AT ME You find to your horror that your glasses are gone, your black hair has gone all brown and bushy, your front teeth are rather large, your backpack is suddenly weighted down with a dozen very heavy books, and you feel an intense desire to be an insufferable know-it-all. You have changed your identity! From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:54:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:54:00 -0400 Subject: Another Yahoo problem Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7458 From: blaise_42 Subject: Another Yahoo problem Date: 8/21/00 3:54 pm (ET) One of my friends is trying to join the club, but every time he clicks on 'join,' he gets a message telling him, 'this URL does not exist.' I notice that nobody joined the club yesterday, unlike the usual pattern of two or three new people, indicating that this might be a club-wide problem. Perhaps Penny could add this to her list of things that aren't working with the club? ~Blaise. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:55:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:55:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7459 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7456] Re: James's death Date: 8/21/00 3:55 pm (ET) I think it's because he really didn't have anything to escape *for* until he saw the picture of Scabbers in the Daily Prophet. ************************* Yeah...if he'd escaped, who would have believed he was innocent, with the only one who could tell the truth supposedly dead. Once he knew Pettigrew was alive there was hope for him. carole From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:57:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7460 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: wizard burnings & the freezing charm Reply To: [Yahoo! #7375] wizard burnings & the freezing charm Date: 8/21/00 3:57 pm (ET) Remember- Dragons are so magical that it takes numerous wizards in order to stun them. It only folows that the fire of such a powerfull creature would pack a much bigger "Whallop" than a regular fire. A Freezing charm is probably way too weak to have much affect on a Dragons fire. (IMHO) Re Dragons and Parseltongue Rowling describes the dragons as being quite Lizard like- and lizards are distinctly different than snakes. I think she is going to keep Parseltongue snake specific, and not let it overlap into all scaly critters. Ellen From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 19:58:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:58:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Update Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7461 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Yahoo Update Reply To: [Yahoo! #7447] Yahoo Update Date: 8/21/00 3:58 pm (ET) Thanks for the update, Penny! I really miss my e-mail! The loss of the photos is painful -- I hope we can re-construct those folders. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: Another Yahoo problem Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7462 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Another Yahoo problem Reply To: [Yahoo! #7458] Another Yahoo problem Date: 8/21/00 4:12 pm (ET) Hi: <<<One of my friends is trying to join the club, but every time he clicks on 'join,' he gets a message telling him, 'this URL does not exist.' I notice that nobody joined the club yesterday, unlike the usual pattern of two or three new people, indicating that this might be a club-wide problem.>>> Great -- just what we need. Another problem. I will email them with this one (and recap the others). I will try Joy's advice & just keep resending the email until I get an actual response. Thanks Blaise! Penny From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:14:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: stories of lost D & D players Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7463 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: stories of lost D & D players Reply To: [Yahoo! #7394] stories of lost D & D players Date: 8/21/00 4:14 pm (ET) Yep- Mazes and Monsters is the Fictionalized account of a Real happening on the MSU campus. James Dallas Eggbert dissapeared, and they searched the steam tunnels thinking he was lost down there. (He had actually run away.) He and friends used to explore the steam tunnels, and play an odd version of D&D down there. The steam tunnel system stretches for miles and miles, and has everything from 2 foot crawlspaces to huge vaulted rooms. Some rooms were once part of basements or maintentence rooms, that were then walled off or rebuilt- hence the famous table. (Yes it is really there, according to my friends- and many odder things too, Like large rooms painted with intricate murals.) The sytem was easy to get into during the early 80's. Harder, but not impossible to get into when I was there, during the late 80's. It is probably pretty well sealed off nowadays. Ellen From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:21:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:21:00 -0400 Subject: Quote: Infobeat , Harry Potter Found? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7464 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Quote: Infobeat , Harry Potter Found? Date: 8/21/00 4:21 pm (ET) LOS ANGELES (Zap2It.com) - The British media is reporting that an English teen will play Harry Potter in next year's movie adaptation of the phenomenally popular book series. And the lucky actor is..13-year-old Gabriel Thomson. Thomson most recently appeared in 1999's "The New Adventures of Pinocchio." He also starred in the 1999 BBC adaptation of "Great Expectations," as young Pip. Thomson hails from south London. J.K. Rowling, who created the series of books about boy wizard Harry and his adventures, has said that she wanted a Brit to play Harry. Other cast members announced so far include Dame Maggie Smith as Harry's art teacher Professor McGonagall and Robbie Coltrane as Hagrid, the school groundsman. Alan Rickman and Richard Harris are reportedly in talks to play professors Snape and Dumbledore. "Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone" is set to begin filming this fall and is scheduled to debut Nov. 16, 2001. Warner Bros. has not confirmed the casting decision, but is saying an official announcement will be made Monday via the film's Web site. Return to Top From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:24:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7465 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Reply To: [Yahoo! #7282] Re: Marauders: Extroverts or Introverts Date: 8/21/00 4:24 pm (ET) Shelly, 200 messages later(I've been busy)I have to disagree with you about the marauders and which houses they each might have belonged to. I have to believe that they were all members of the same house (probably Gryffindor). The marauders were a very tight group and tight groups such as that do not form IMO interhouse. There just isn't enough time together to bond to the degree that the marauders must have. As we see in Harry, his friends are all members of Gryffindor. All of Draco's friends are Slytherin. There would not be an awful lot of opportunity for strong friendships forming outside your house since you only see other house members in large gatherings and occasionally when you share a class. My tuknuts. Dick From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: Arthurian Stories Thanks Shelly! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7466 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Arthurian Stories Thanks Shelly! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7403] Re: Arthurian Stories Date: 8/21/00 4:45 pm (ET) It sounded like the right one. Been looking for it for ages, ever since I grabbed a copy back in the 80's! :) Dee From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:48:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:48:00 -0400 Subject: Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleu Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7467 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleu Reply To: [Yahoo! #7429] Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleur? Date: 8/21/00 4:48 pm (ET) >If it's possible in the wizard world, and Krum >still has another year of school, might he >transfer to Hogwarts to be closer to Hermione? And to be further from those dark wizards... >If Krum continues to pursue Hermione, how will Ron's react? A lot of grumbling and snarling? >On the other side, Fleur commented that she would like to get a job at >Hogwarts. Considering her acheivements in the tournament, I'm not sure >I'd give her a job, but then, that jinxed Dark Arts slot is always open. I'm hoping Fleur has some hidden magical talents we haven't found out about yet... And I want Moody back next year as DADA master! (It could be done since technically he *wasn't* DADA teacher last year...) >We all know that Ron gets smitten with Fleur whenever she is around... Is it "smitten" or just a chemical reaction to the "Veela aura" she projects? If there's anyone I want to get a true crush on Fleur, it's Harry... I think he's wasting his time mooning over Cho. >Personally, I'd love to see what would happen is Fleur returns to teach at > the school and Ron ends up following her around. Won't Hermione be >pissed? It'll be payback time for when she was smitten with Lockhart. :) From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:49:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7468 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Reply To: [Yahoo! #7324] Off Topic: Which Electronics Company? Date: 8/21/00 4:49 pm (ET) I work for Lucent as well. Jim From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:58:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Update Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7469 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Yahoo Update Reply To: [Yahoo! #7447] Yahoo Update Date: 8/21/00 4:58 pm (ET) Penny wrote "The rep told me about a message board where I can post specific questions about how the Club will be affected by the Yahoo/egroups merger. I'm headed there now, and will give everyone an update when I know anything more." I'm already there. :) I also belong to its counterpart at eGroups (called simply, "Merger"). That one is older and much more active, but I also have to cut through many irrelavent (to us) messages to find the ones that would matter to us. Melanie From debra82 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 20:59:00 2000 From: debra82 at yahoo.com (debra82) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo problems Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7470 From: debra82 Subject: Yahoo problems Date: 8/21/00 4:59 pm (ET) As the rest of you have been posting the problems you've been having with the club, i thought that I would post mine. Whenever I enter the club the msg's that show up are from like aug. 10th and then I have to go through about 5 diff. steps to get to the msg's that were posted today. Does any one else have this problem, or is it just me? BTW- Im a member of this club have been for a couple of months, just that I don't really get a chance to post often, But i really enjoy reading the posts and finding out what others think. Debra82 From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 21:07:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7471 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7454] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 5:07 pm (ET) <<Well, Harry is also supposed to tall and lanky as well, >> Based on James' height, I can see Harry growing tall and lanky over the last three books. But the Harry we've seen so far (not counting fan-fic) is short and skinny. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 21:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7472 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7459] Re: Sirius' escape Date: 8/21/00 5:45 pm (ET) Didn't he already know Peter was alive, tho? I mean, he knew he hadn't killed him! And Peter is too much a coward to kill himself just for the chance to frame Sirius--he knew he escaped with the rats down the sewers. I do wonder, tho, why he was laughing at the scene... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 21:54:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo glitch... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7473 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Yahoo glitch... Date: 8/21/00 5:54 pm (ET) It is not letting me change my email option to non-email. That's how I got it back last time--I disconnected for a few days, and then reapplied for emailing again. This time, I am stuck with "You are receiving. . . emails"-----WHICH ISN'T TRUE! From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 21:57:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7474 From: Danemead Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7471] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 5:57 pm (ET) >>>But the Harry we've seen so far (not counting fan-fic) is short and skinny. <<<< Ah, yes! "A midget in glasses..." The girl playing Hermione looks adorable. I'd love to see these kids' screen tests. (I also hope the publicity and notoriety doesn't overwhelm them). From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:01:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo glitch...(es!!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7475 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Yahoo glitch...(es!!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7473] Yahoo glitch... Date: 8/21/00 6:01 pm (ET) More bugs. I thought that perhaps by joining as generic_gypsy I might be able to re-activate the email function. I too had the URL doesn't exist problem, but that was after my other problem-- THIS CLUB DOESN'T EXIST to yahoo's search engine! I typed in the name word for word, and got the other club (saw Ravenclawlady in there, though!) GOTTA LOVE YAHOO! Speaking of large clubs, the one wiccan club I have that is over 500 is still pumping out their email-postings, as is the club that has 800 members! Why was this club singled out? Grumbles.... Dee From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:05:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7476 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7474] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 6:05 pm (ET) My husband woke me up (I'm sick sick sick today...) and handed me the "press release" and the photo about the movie, and the first thing I said was "That kid is RON!" Now, I admit, he's not as tall as I'd pictured - and Harry's a bit *too* tall - but the faces are perfect. Hermione's perfect. And Ron! Yes! I'm just sooooooo happy about who they picked to play him. (I'm very glad the rumors about Gabriel Thompson were false - he just wasn't Harry to me) Jen (who needs to go back to bed now) From bayta_kaohsiung at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:10:00 2000 From: bayta_kaohsiung at yahoo.com (bayta_kaohsiung) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7477 From: bayta_kaohsiung Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7436] The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 6:10 pm (ET) Well,I saw David Copperfield on PBS a month ago or so..it was a brillant TV movie by the way.. Daniel did a wonderful job portraying the young,naive,kind-hearted David Copperfield.. I think he is the perfect Harry Potter..it just seems a little bit strange to see Daniel wearing a black-framed glasses.. But..we'll see.. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:16:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Krum & Fleur Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7478 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Krum & Fleur Reply To: [Yahoo! #7467] Re: Romance: Krum, Ron, Hermione... Fleu Date: 8/21/00 6:16 pm (ET) Hi: <<<>If it's possible in the wizard world, and Krum still has another year of school, might he transfer to Hogwarts to be closer to Hermione?>> He couldn't have another year of school left unless Durmstrang has a longer program than Hogwarts. He was 17 & old enough to be school champion. This means, in my mind, that he is *done* with school. <<<If there's anyone I want to get a true crush on Fleur, it's Harry... I think he's wasting his time mooning over Cho.>>> She would never go for a "little boy" like Harry. Nah -- she's got her eye on Bill Weasley. As for Harry, he's resisted Fleur so far, and I don't see that changing. And, the older woman/younger boy thing wouldn't work too well at that age (in *most* cases -- <g>). She'll be 18/19 in the next book. Doubtful she'd have any interest in a 15 yr old boy. IMO. Then again, I must be in the minority but I don't imagine either Fleur or Krum will figure all that much in the next book(s). I think they were characters we'll hear about from time to time -- in passing. However, Fleur stands a better chance of being more prominent than Krum since there is some intimation that she might become a professor at Hogwarts. As for Cho -- said it before -- no way is he going to still have a crush on her. Entirely too much tragedy & very un-Harry for him to even think about pursuing her. She's his Ms. Wrong in any case. For the people who think there's a possibility of a Harry/Cho romance -- I'm just sincerely curious. Assuming she was interested, how do you figure he'd *ever* get past the guilt over Cedric's death enough to have a healthy relationship with her? I just see that as such an insurmountable obstacle to their relationship (and I strongly believe JKR wasn't lying to her readers when she said their first crushes/dates would all be the "wrong" people). Penny (with strong opinions these days) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:23:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7479 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7476] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 6:23 pm (ET) Hi: Gasp! Penny actually replying to a casting post. Yep, it's true. <g> I think these kids look really promising. I think the best one of the lot is the choice for Hermione -- she looks *exactly* as I pictured her. Harry is a bit too tall in relation to Ron (I agree with the earlier posts noting that Harry so far is "short & skinny" -- just because his father was tall doesn't mean he will be, although he might catch up). Anyway, Ron is a bit too short, but he could have a growth spurt at some point during the filming of one of the other films (if not HP & PS). Otherwise, Ron is also perfect (Skimmel pointed out to me earlier today that he's a bit low on the freckles but maybe the picture just doesn't come through with that). Harry needs darker hair -- but that is *easily* fixed with dye -- they can also give him a haircut that will make his hair out-of-control & wild. Otherwise, he looks pretty good from the pic. I'm guessing they can also give him some green contact lenses to wear too. <g> I'm delighted that they are all British. Yay!! I too am glad that Gabriel Thompson wasn't the choice -- he never looked quite right (and was definitely too old -- could have had a growth spurt & voice change in the middle of filming the first one, never mind the second one). Jen -- hope you feel better soon!!!! Penny From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:34:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:34:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7480 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7472] Re: Sirius' escape Date: 8/21/00 6:34 pm (ET) <<I do wonder, tho, why he was laughing at the scene...>> Hysterical laughter? I know he doesn't seem the type, but with all he'd been through in the past day or two (?), I think we can excuse him. :) Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: More Grumbles, yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7481 From: GypsyCaine Subject: More Grumbles, yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7480] Re: Sirius' escape Date: 8/21/00 6:38 pm (ET) Ok. Anyone have a listing of the links? Yahoo seems to have eaten 5, at least. I was looking for the link to A Sirius Affair, and thus, running through them, rather than ask (again, rolls eyes of other members?), but several seem missing. Yahoo itself states 35 are to be in there, but only give 30! Shakes her head, muttering again about Yahell. From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:51:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: Leads in the Film... and Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7482 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Leads in the Film... and Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #7479] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 6:51 pm (ET) Hooray! What a great-looking child cast! Think how excited they must all be, especially the Ron and Hermione actors who have no formal show business experience. Harry is perfect, in spite of his height. As for Dumbledore, I still can't quite picture Richard Harris. He may look the part but I don't think he's that good an actor. I put my money on Michael Caine for Dumbledore. Richard Harris can play Nicholas Flamel in the second movie. Harriet From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 22:52:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:52:00 -0400 Subject: Scholastic school guides Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7483 From: brooksindy Subject: Scholastic school guides Date: 8/21/00 6:52 pm (ET) AS I mentioned in the chat yesterday I had a look at the Scholastic Teacher's Guides over the weekend, the usual sort of thing, how such and such might be a lead-in to discussing so & so, and retention & understanding tests. But one thing I did take particular notice of was the Teacher's Guide to CoS which had in the back...a Venn Diagram for Harry and Tom Riddle/Voldemort, where you were to put their traits in common in the intersection and their differences in the unique areas! Completists of art collections might enjoy the fold-out posters that go with each one, though. I actually toyed with buying one of them just for the poster, as it seemed especailly neat artistically (although I cannot now recall with certainty which one it was that I liked - SS, probably). From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 23:00:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Scholastic school guides Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7484 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Scholastic school guides Reply To: [Yahoo! #7483] Scholastic school guides Date: 8/21/00 7:00 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/21/00 6:52 pm "AS I mentioned in the chat yesterday I had a look at the Scholastic Teacher's Guides over the weekend..." Now you *knew* I would ask about this one. I've seen the TGs at Amazon. Since there's so much HP info on the net and I'm a fanatic, last year I pulled together my own unit. But your post is actually making me consider spending money I don't have. Would you recommend the guide? Ebony AKA AngieJ From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 21 23:15:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:15:00 -0400 Subject: High-Rez Photos of HH&R now posted Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7485 From: jamesf991 Subject: High-Rez Photos of HH&R now posted Date: 8/21/00 7:15 pm (ET) For those of you with slow connections I have downloaded the 7Mb high resolution photo from the WB site and made closeups of each face. These are in JPG format which should be *much* quicker to download than the original format. From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 00:13:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:13:00 -0400 Subject: If the movie casters are listening... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7486 From: davehoz Subject: If the movie casters are listening... Date: 8/21/00 8:13 pm (ET) Did anyone else see _Gunga Din_ today on AMC? Give the evil Guru a beard and that's how I see Salazaar Slytherin. I know that particular actor would no longer be available, but if they found someone of that type... From potterpotty at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 00:34:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:34:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7487 From: potterpotty Subject: Re: Voldemort Reply To: [Yahoo! #7314] Voldemort Date: 8/21/00 8:34 pm (ET) I noticed that particular sentence as well. I believe that it has something to do with being unable to destroy something you're connected with. I draw this parallelism from GoF where Voldemort could not use his wand to battle Harry's because both wands contained feathers from Fawkes, the phoenix. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 00:51:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Renoir's "Lunch of the Wizards" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7488 From: estesrandy Subject: Renoir's "Lunch of the Wizards" Date: 8/21/00 8:51 pm (ET) If you'll allow me to stretch your imaginations somewhat, I have discovered something interesting! In our kitchen, we have a copy of Renoir's "Le Dejeuner des Canotiers" ( lunch of the boatmen--I think) which is one of Renoir's most famous paintings. I kept looking at it this weekend and noticed that several of the subjects could be right out of Harry Potter. The luncheon is a 5th year reunion of our heroes after Hogwarts. They obviously decided to have a theme vacation and transported back in time. Seated at the table on the right side are Hermione and Ron with Harry leaning over them. Across the table with a small dog is Ginny Weasley and George (or Fred) is leaning on the rail behind Ginny. Behind Harry on the right side of the painting is Madame Rosemerta. Sirius Black has his are around Rosemerta and Remus Lupin is talking to them. I believe Neville is behind the pack talking to someone older than him. If interested try to help figure out who the remaining characters are in the painting. I can't figure out who the girl leaning on the rail near George is. Any suggestions? From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 01:46:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Dogspoon's pics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7489 From: dogspoon Subject: Dogspoon's pics Date: 8/21/00 9:46 pm (ET) I tell you what, I post my pic's and this is the way you take care of them? OK, I'll give you a second chance, but please, don't lose them again. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 01:47:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:47:00 -0400 Subject: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7490 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7433] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/21/00 9:47 pm (ET) By: plinsenmayer Ron likes Hermione Hermione likes Harry Harry likes either noone or someone outside the Trio ----------- I know that JKR frequently does the unexpected, but she did a real good imitation of two 14 year olds who like each other. If she suddenly pretends that doesn't exist without clearing it up sensibly, then it will, IMO, be a blatant trick in her books. She doesn't put completely false information in. She just writes her way out of the corner very well. I think Ron likes Hermione (doesn't quite realize it). Hermione likes Ron (does know it) Harry is good friends but has no shipping interests in either one. BUT that Ron, once he realizes he likes Hermione, will assume that Harry should have her and convince himself that Hermione and Harry like each other in a ship way, and there will be all sorts of jealousy over a nonexistent H/HR ship in Ron's mind. Ron would never deliberately do something to betray Harry. But his jealous behavior could cause a betrayal to happen. He could screw up something. vicki From dogspoon at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 01:53:00 2000 From: dogspoon at yahoo.com (dogspoon) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:53:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7491 From: dogspoon Subject: Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Reply To: [Yahoo! #7457] Re: Electronic Arts wins HP Game Rights Date: 8/21/00 9:53 pm (ET) The game has got to be a Quiddich sports game or an RPG. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:06:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:06:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7492 From: vjmerri Subject: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7453] Re: James's death Date: 8/21/00 10:06 pm (ET) By: mkplummer since Sirius escaped Azkaban by turing himself into a dog, and had done so many times before, why did he not escape years ago??? He could have -------------- I've read the replies to your post, but none of them seem real satisfactory to me. Its REAL difficult, IMO, to rationalize this one intra HP universe. JKR has established that _anything_ would be better than staying in Azkaban. Its oppresive; its depression personified. Most people go mad. If it were real life and he had thought of it, Sirius _would_ have already escaped as a dog. He could have traveled to some other country and lived completely as a muggle, if he had to, in order to get away. We can suppose, I guess, that he went through several years of depression and guilt over the deaths of James and Lily. It could be that in some way he was unknowingly punishing himself; that he thought he had let the Potters down and thus that he _deserved_ to be in Azkaban, and it was only when he realized that Peter could get to Harry that he did the mental equivalent of kicking himself in the seat of the pants and started to WANT to live again. Vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:19:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: Scholastic school guides Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7493 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Scholastic school guides Reply To: [Yahoo! #7484] Re: Scholastic school guides Date: 8/21/00 10:19 pm (ET) >But your >post is actually making me consider spending money >I don't have. Would you recommend >the guide? Well, they were pretty cheap I think, and struck me as probably 4th-5th grade level for the most part. And I saw them at a B. Daltons, so they may well be viewable before you order. In fact I'd bet any bookstore that orders could order them and have you evaluate them - if you decided you didn't like them I'm sure some other teacher would, and the would similarly know they could sell it if it was Potter related. If you have your own units, the only advantage of these is that they may give you alternate ideas. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:23:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7494 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7477] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 10:23 pm (ET) YES! Those are the kids! I noticed the Ron height thing, too (not that big a deal, imho). I like the glasses- they look HP- like and realistic at the same time. Are they Daniel's irl? If so, I hope he plays Harry wearing those exact same ones (but he might want to get contacts, just to be less recognizable on the street!) From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:23:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: Indy to host HP original art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7495 From: vjmerri Subject: Indy to host HP original art Reply To: [Yahoo! #7483] Scholastic school guides Date: 8/21/00 10:23 pm (ET) Friday, Sept. 15th: AIGA at GAIA. Wine tasting at Gaia Wines to support Indy's chapter of American Institute of Graphic Arts. Tying-in with Indiana Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators before their Illustration Workshop. We'll have the ORIGINAL artwork from the Harry Potter bookcovers on display. (If you have epilepsy, don't drink red wine around the paintings!) Ta Da! That's Indy as in Indianapolis, Indiana for anyone who is in the vicinity. Don't know the time or the price, but I certainly intend to be there. I wonder if prints or posters will be for sale. vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:38:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: "Never trust something that can think... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7496 From: brooksindy Subject: "Never trust something that can think... Date: 8/21/00 10:38 pm (ET) ...for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain". Good advice, and Harry remembers it with the Marauder's Map (but eventually decides that is safe enough) but we have all been wondering.... Yet there are many things at Hogwarts that do think for themselves without visible brainpans - the Fat Lady, various other paintings, and a couple of password-monitoring statues or gargoyles. There is a preconditioning among wizard kids at Hogwarts *to* trust such things - so Arthur's advice is good to remind them that just because they are familiar with the CLASS of thing does not mean they can trust the individual specimen. Speaking of the Fat Lady. We seem in msgs and IIRC yesterday's chat to be swinging back towards "Well the Marauders MUST have been in Gryffindor because Harry is there and it is our favorite". Granted Sirius had an inportant reason for trying to break into Gryffindor, but don't you think sentiment might have deterred him from slashing the Fat Lady's portrait if he had indeed been a Gryffindor? Of course the portraits might have been changed since he was there, but consider that thought. Also - Hagrid says every wizard who was ever seduced by the Dark Side - well, something like that - was in "stinkin' Slytherin" - but I bet they keep Slytherin around for reasons other than tradition. As the Hat said, for some Slytherin is the path to Greatness, and not necessarily Terrible Greatness, to paraphrase Ollivander about moldy old Voldy. Sometimes you need a tough, persistent, ambitious person to get things done. I wonder if the crop in Slytherin has been particuarly unpleasant since the Voldemort years just because *of* those years (and perhaps because Snape lets them get away with too much). From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:42:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Quote: Infobeat , Harry Potter Foun Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7497 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Quote: Infobeat , Harry Potter Foun Reply To: [Yahoo! #7464] Quote: Infobeat , Harry Potter Found? Date: 8/21/00 10:42 pm (ET) <<Harry's art teacher Professor McGonagall>> ART teacher??? whatever. But Gabriel Thomson was SOOO cute as Pip!! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: Indy to host HP original art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7498 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Indy to host HP original art Reply To: [Yahoo! #7495] Indy to host HP original art Date: 8/21/00 10:44 pm (ET) >We'll have the ORIGINAL artwork from the Harry >Potter bookcovers on display. I'm presuming you mean of the US covers? Given that this list is international and I for one am trying to be less US centric, just because I talk to so many non-US people online (like Canadians and Brazilians, who after all are 'Americans' too), so I like to specify, instead of just assuming US all the time. From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:48:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7499 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7479] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/21/00 10:48 pm (ET) ACK!! I posted my other post too soon... I am SOO Lost!!! Who are the lucky girls and boys that get to play the threesome?? I'm frustrated... Tsch'ss!! From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:49:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: MORE ON THE "HARRY POTTER" MOVIE... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7500 From: angelx_ph Subject: MORE ON THE "HARRY POTTER" MOVIE... Date: 8/21/00 10:49 pm (ET) Multi-award winning composer John Williams will do the score of the first film. I don't know about you guys but he's an excellent choice, IMO. He'll be composing a theme that we'll be humming as we reread the books. I'm betting it will sound like a combination of his scores from "Home Alone" and "Hook" (both themes sound suitable for "Harry Potter") From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 02:57:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: Renoir painting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7501 From: estesrandy Subject: Renoir painting Date: 8/21/00 10:57 pm (ET) I posted a jpeg of the Renoir painting in the photos under Ravenclaw Randy. Lunch of the Wizards for anyone who is mildly interested. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:08:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7502 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7490] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/21/00 11:08 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I know that JKR frequently does the unexpected, but she did a real good imitation of two 14 year olds who like each other. If she suddenly pretends that doesn't exist without clearing it up sensibly, then it will, IMO, be a blatant trick in her books. She doesn't put completely false information in. She just writes her way out of the corner very well.>>> I think where we disagree is that I'm not at all sure Hermione likes Ron back. They bicker back & forth, and yes, that sort of behavior *can* indicate romantic tension in kids that age. In Ron's case, it quite clearly does. Hermione's feelings are not so clear in my mind. So, I don't think JKR is necessarily guilty of putting "false information" into the books. On the surface, it appears that Ron & Hermione "like" each other. But, that resolution seems too pat & obvious to me though. <<<I think Ron likes Hermione (doesn't quite realize it). Hermione likes Ron (does know it)>>> I think what Hermione knows is that Ron likes her. IMO, there's been no truly clear indication of what her feelings are toward Ron. There is, however, IMO, some subtext that can be arguably interpreted to mean she might have her cap set on Harry. <<<Harry is good friends but has no shipping interests in either one.>>> I agree. <<<BUT that Ron, once he realizes he likes Hermione, will assume that Harry should have her and convince himself that Hermione and Harry like each other in a ship way, and there will be all sorts of jealousy over a nonexistent H/HR ship in Ron's mind.>>> That's interesting that you think Ron would self-lessly forgo pursuing Hermione because of some perceived thought that she was too good for him & deserved Harry. I've never really thought of that angle. Good point. I guess I see it more likely happening that Ron misinterprets something between Harry & Hermione & ends up betraying Harry and/or endangering himself, Harry or others. Ron is becoming increasingly focused on Ron's needs & ambitions. So . . . I'm not so sure I see him playing the martyr so that Harry can have Hermione. Just my 2 galleons -- Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:19:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7503 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7502] Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/21/00 11:19 pm (ET) If there *is* a set of Farmer in the Dell relationships here, will the Cheesiest stand alone? From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:26:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo glitch...(es!!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7504 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Yahoo glitch...(es!!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7475] Re: Yahoo glitch...(es!!!) Date: 8/21/00 11:26 pm (ET) >>Why was this club singled out? THIS CLUB DOESN'T EXIST to yahoo's search engine! I typed in the name word for word, and got the other club << I am sorry to say that the Death Eaters are attacking our message board on instructions from Lord Voldemort himself. I have been trying to contact Cornelius Fudge about this, but all I get is the runaround. :0) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:34:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Granted Sirius had an important reas Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7505 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Granted Sirius had an important reas Reply To: [Yahoo! #7496] "Never trust something that can think... Date: 8/21/00 11:34 pm (ET) <<Granted Sirius had an important reason for trying to break into Gryffindor, but don't you think sentiment might have deterred him from slashing the Fat Lady's portrait if he had indeed been a Gryffindor? >> How do we know that it was Sirius who did the slashing? Could it not have been Peter? I double checked that, and still am not certain it was our dark mystery man! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:41:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7506 From: estesrandy Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/21/00 11:41 pm (ET) I pointed out in the chatroom the other day that Dumbledore's desire when viewing the mirror of Erised was a pair of socks! I think this proves that he is really some advanced form of house elf! This explains why he takes in renegade house elves to work in the kitchen. The kitchen staff is just a ruse! In reality, he is constructing a great elf army (the likes of which has not been seen since the Lord of the Rings) to attack the Death Eaters and Voldemort in book 7! Since the Death Eaters are obviously a hungry bunch. Wormtail even cooked them up some Voldemort soup for their campout in book 4! The Elf Squad under Dumbledore will hit them where they are vulnerable. They will prepare feast after feast until the Death Eaters decide that the food is better at Dumble's! Voldemort is left alone with Wormtail ( the soup Nazi). And the sun sets on yet another bad guy who fails to see that "an army does travel on its stomach!" :0) This message brought to you by Ravenclaw Randy from the intensive care ward of the insane asylum! From joy0823 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 03:57:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:57:00 -0400 Subject: Renoir painting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7507 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Renoir painting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7501] Renoir painting Date: 8/21/00 11:57 pm (ET) You can find a much larger and clearer version of the painting at http://www.fh-brandenburg.de/~seeger/renoirdg.jpg. I'm not going to post it in the album, because the file size is huge. Those of you with slow modems, beware. I can definitely see what you mean, Randy. To me it looks like Neville is talking to Percy. I think the girl leaning on the rail is Percy's girlfriend (forget her name, and don't have my book handy). The woman drinking looks to me like Cho, and sitting next to her is the spitting image of what Draco looks like in my head. Don't ask me why they'd invite him. ;) ~Joy~ From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 04:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7508 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7472] Re: Sirius' escape Date: 8/22/00 12:22 am (ET) > I do wonder, tho, why he was laughing at the scene... Sincere but nasty laughter, with which we laugh at our own complete stumblebum failures the same as other people's, and a tinge of desperation to it because he now clearly sees that all is lost: stupid little Peter outsmarted him all around, killed his best friend, set him up to take the fall for that murder, and framed him for this murder that didn't even happen! Who would have thought that stupid little Peter could have thought so fast?! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 04:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: Renoir's Lunch of the Wizards Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7509 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Renoir's Lunch of the Wizards Reply To: [Yahoo! #7488] Renoir's "Lunch of the Wizards" Date: 8/22/00 12:35 am (ET) > Seated at the table on the right side are Hermione and Ron with Harry leaning over them. Across the table with a small dog is Ginny Weasley and George (or Fred) is leaning on the rail behind Ginny. Behind Harry on the right side of the painting is Madame Rosemerta. Sirius Black has his are around Rosemerta and Remus Lupin is talking to them. I believe Neville is behind the pack talking to someone older than him. Joy in #7507 added: I can definitely see what you mean, Randy. To me it looks like Neville is talking to Percy. I think the girl leaning on the rail is Percy's girlfriend (forget her name, and don't have my book handy). The woman drinking looks to me like Cho, and sitting next to her is the spitting image of what Draco looks like in my head. Don't ask me why they'd invite him. ;) I am very glad Joy posted the URL of the bigger picture, because I couldn't even SEE the three people you said were Rosmerta, Sirius, and Remus in the little picture -- I thought they were an ornamental plant! All the Weasleys SHOULD have red hair. The Twin and the Ginny have hair that could be considered red if the Harry's hair is considered red! but the other alleged Weasleys don't. To me, the girl leaning on the rail looks more like Cho, gazing at Harry (I never expected to turn into an H/C shipper in my old age!) while pretending to converse with the man with his back to us (who is he, the other Twin?) and the one drinking is Penelope: bored already with listening to Percy pontificate. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 05:01:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7510 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Reply To: [Yahoo! #7320] Sirius - Pre Azkaban Date: 8/22/00 1:01 am (ET) > Before Azkaban, I was the type of man most women grow to hate. Lead them on, wine them, dine them, make passionate love to them, then leave before they wake up. Forget to owl, avoid them on the street, then tell them I wasn't good enough for them." Wartime. An attractive, charming, wild, single young man. Quite a number of attractive (and unattractive, but he can ignore those) single young women will think it would be great fun to sleep with him, and he can get quite in the habit of waking up beside a pretty young witch he first met the night before. One-night stands with no hard feelings, no broken hearts, no need to sneak out before dawn, no obligation to owl them afterwards (and therefore it isn't forgetting), and no reason not to say a cheerful 'Hi!' (or 'Hi! I remember yourbeautiful face I met at so-and-so's party [wink], but not your name.') when meeting on the street. He may have been doing the low-down-dog act for illusions in his mind, not for pretty witches whose reaction to seeing him a street to avoid them is to think: "Sheer paranoia. It's an occupational hazard of all those spy games, poor guy." From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 05:10:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:10:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black and manic depression Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7511 From: spicoli323 Subject: Sirius Black and manic depression Date: 8/22/00 1:10 am (ET) Yeah, I think his laughter was probably of the hysterical sort, or else the witnesses saw Sirius screaming in anger or fright, and mistook it for laughter. . . .not as farfetched as it sounds. As for why he didn't leave Azkaban sooner, although he did keep his sanity, the dementors' presence was still rather opressive; he was probably in practically a trance most of the time, which he would only occasionally come out of, such as when he had a visitor like Fudge. Azkaban and the dementors are a personification of depression, and anyone who has suffered from depression will attest that is the worst feeling imaginable, but it is often impossible to get out of, even if the sufferer wants to more than anything. It is the same way with Sirius Black in Azkaban: he would have wanted to get out, but couldn't rouse himself to escape earlier than he did. He said that the one thing that kept him going was his innocence; it was not a happy thought so the dementors couldn't take it from him. But learning of Wormtail's whereabouts gave him the idea of revenge, which was a happy though for him, though a rather bittersweet one. It was that happy thought that was the catalyst for his escape. Still, if one is to continue the depression analogy, it could be argued that he was now in the manic phase of manic depression--that was why he ruushed recklessly to Hogwarts and was so eager to kill Wormtail. Mentally, he was still not all right, but hopefully after being free two years now he will be all right. He didn't show any signs of relapsing into depression in GoF, and that bodes well. I think as a result of being in Azkaban, if he meets a dementor in the future, they will always have as strong an effect on him as they did on Harry. This could be a problem if Voldemort gets them on his side. I hope Sirius learns a Patronus spell of his own. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 05:39:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:39:00 -0400 Subject: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7512 From: smitster1 Subject: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Date: 8/22/00 1:39 am (ET) With all of Yahoo!'s problems of late we've been victum to another lost message which makes a total of 2. If anyone who receives our club's messages by e-mail, please check to see if you received post #7204. I was archiving the messages tonight and there was a break at this point. I don't receive the club messages by e-mail but thought that it might have been sent one day before (last Friday) all the recent Yahoo! problems. If you find our lost message, please send it my way (and/or repost it) at smitster at crosswinds.net. Thanks, smitster From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 06:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7513 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7512] Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Date: 8/22/00 2:02 am (ET) > we've been victim to another lost message which makes a total of 2. (snip) post #7204 Could #7204 be the message that someone said they had posted by mistake, could the founders (Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, Slytherin ... I mean Penny and Ravenclawlady) please delete it? From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 06:06:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:06:00 -0400 Subject: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7514 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7513] Re: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Date: 8/22/00 2:06 am (ET) Looks like you're right. Ignore my fluff, I guess. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 06:23:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:23:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black and manic depression Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7515 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Sirius Black and manic depression Reply To: [Yahoo! #7511] Sirius Black and manic depression Date: 8/22/00 2:23 am (ET) I've just re-read Black's description of his escape and it actually does make sense - he was basically almost as depressed as a dog as when he was a person, and could not muster the mental energy to even try - which is definitely a symptom of depression. Besides the Dementors pretty much can count, even if they don't exactly think - they would have missed him immediately - it was the fact that he had a mission which confused them as much as being a dog, I think. I tried to read as many Dementor passages as I could just now too and I came to the conclusion that the Good Guys may be too optimistic - the Dementors are ALREADY on Voldy's side - which is why they went after Harry during the Pettigrew/Sirius/Lupin fiasco - they are just biding their time for him to reappear. It DOES appear to me that it really was Sirius who slashed the Fat Lady, because he was indeed breaking in to look for Scabbers. And, the conversation in the Three Broomstick McGonagall says that Black and Potter were Ringleaders of their little gang, and it is a not unreasonable aspect of the conversation that they don't mention Lupin. One other point - not all depression is Manic depression; I don't think Sirius went into a manic phase but rather discovered that there was something he HAD to do to help Harry - which dragged him up from the depths and forced him to find the mental energy to do something. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 06:26:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:26:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo probs: was Message Request Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7516 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Yahoo probs: was Message Request Reply To: [Yahoo! #7514] Re: Message Request -- HELP HELP!! Date: 8/22/00 2:26 am (ET) But if you lookin the member list, the founders are still mucked up. BTW when I joined a month or so ago the member list ran 20 pages. It now runs 28.... From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:11:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:11:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7517 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Reply To: [Yahoo! #7506] Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/22/00 6:11 am (ET) okay... that was rather a warped view. the way I see it is that asking what someone sees in the Mirror of Erised is a rather personal question, so Dumbledore just made his answer up From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:27:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 06:27:00 -0400 Subject: Grades, was Arresting Malfoys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7518 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: Re: Grades, was Arresting Malfoys Reply To: [Yahoo! #7432] Re: Grades, was Arresting Malfoys Date: 8/22/00 6:27 am (ET) Snape probably had to be fair considering it was probably a written exam meaning if Hermione was right then he couldn't say she was wrong just because of a grudge against her. From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 12:13:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:13:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Role Announced!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7519 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Harry Potter Role Announced!!! Date: 8/22/00 8:13 am (ET) I know I have been MIA for about 2 months, but been busy securing a permanent position... Here is the latest news with a pic of the "kids" Harry, Hermione, and Ron. http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/08/21/potter.photos/index.html From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 13:02:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: Correcting self re: Crabbe & Goyle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7520 From: brooksindy Subject: Correcting self re: Crabbe & Goyle Date: 8/22/00 9:02 am (ET) Som days ago I remarked on what C&G (the younger ones, Draco's hench-idiots) and how their first names were never used. But a few days after that someone (Catlady?) subtly mentioned them - Vincent & Gregory - & now I found for myself where we finally learn them: on the train with Lupin in PoA. My mistake - trying to track too many details at once. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 13:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:09:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius Black and manic depression Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7521 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Sirius Black and manic depression Reply To: [Yahoo! #7515] Re: Sirius Black and manic depression Date: 8/22/00 9:09 am (ET) Hi: <<<I tried to read as many Dementor passages as I could just now too and I came to the conclusion that the Good Guys may be too optimistic - the Dementors are ALREADY on Voldy's side - which is why they went after Harry during the Pettigrew/Sirius/Lupin fiasco - they are just biding their time for him to reappear.>>> I think so too Brooks. That's really the only rational explanation for why they tried to administer the Kiss to Harry (not that the Dementors are rational creatures by any means). It seems they were even intent on harming Harry *before* Sirius -- weren't Sirius & Hermione collapsed in a faint by that point (PoA isn't handy)? That adds support to the argument. In GoF, Dumbledore also tells Moody that he believes the Ministry has made an error in allying themselves with such foul creatures. Dumbledore detests them & doesn't trust them -- and I'm betting they will be on Voldy's side for sure. Good thing Prof Lupin worked with Harry on the patronus so much! There's also a good chance that the Voldemort forces are aware of Harry's weakness when it comes to Dementors -- Draco, Crabbe & Goyle all know it's a weak spot for him. Penny From Orrianne at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 13:55:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:55:00 -0400 Subject: The Actors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7522 From: Orrianne Subject: The Actors Date: 8/22/00 9:55 am (ET) According to the article I just read, the boy who won the role of Harry Potter is 11, although I've heard several people complain of the fact that he's 13 and thus a bit too old. I wonder if the article had a misprint. The article also stated that Emma, who will play Hermione, is 10, while the boy slated to play Ron is 11. Personally, I think that the group looks fabulous - my only thought was that Harry needs to grow his hair out a bit more. Actually, how it appearred from the Dicken's pictures seemed far more appropriate to Harry. What is most important, in the long run, is the acting that the children will do in the movie. If they can act and bring Ron, Hermione and Harry to life then I don't really care what age they are - I only want them to act well and for the movie to stay as true to the books as possible. So many movies take great books and completely rework the plots, and the Potter books have such complex and delightful plots I honestly don't want one thing to be changed! Aloha, Orrianne From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 13:57:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:57:00 -0400 Subject: Leads in the Film... and Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7523 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: Leads in the Film... and Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #7482] Re: Leads in the Film... and Dumbledore Date: 8/22/00 9:57 am (ET) Harrietmwelsch Wrote: As for Dumbledore, I still can't quite picture Richard Harris. He may look the part but I don't think he's that good an actor. I put my money on Michael Caine for Dumbledore. Richard Harris can play Nicholas Flamel in the second movie. I'm glad someone else voiced this- I'm trying to get used to the Idea, but somehow I find the thought of Richard Harris as Dumbledore.....Well Disturbing... Can't explain it exactly. Maybe partly rumours I've heard, but I also don't think he's all that great an actor. Ellen the Beekeeper From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: The Actors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7524 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The Actors Reply To: [Yahoo! #7522] The Actors Date: 8/22/00 10:01 am (ET) Hi: <<<According to the article I just read, the boy who won the role of Harry Potter is 11, although I've heard several people complain of the fact that he's 13 and thus a bit too old. I wonder if the article had a misprint.>>> Actually Orianne -- you may be confusing the rumors with the final casting decision. Gabriel Thompson was said to be the front-runner for the role of Harry, and he is 13. But, that rumor proved to be false, and I think Daniel Radcliffe is actually only 11. I'm *much* happier with the choice of this Daniel kid than the Gabriel person -- he seemed to full of himself somehow from the photos that were released. I just love the Hermione they've chosen! I agree that it's ultimately the acting potential that is most important to the movies' success. Penny From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:02:00 -0400 Subject: Scoring the Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7525 From: jferer Subject: Scoring the Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #7500] MORE ON THE "HARRY POTTER" MOVIE... Date: 8/22/00 10:02 am (ET) John Williams wasn't my first choice, but he will do a good job, I hope. The score should not be grandiose, which worked very well for Star Wars and Indiana Jones but would not work here. This is an interior, more subtle movie, and it needs a score to match. From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:10:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:10:00 -0400 Subject: Fleur's love life Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7526 From: jferer Subject: Re: Fleur's love life Reply To: [Yahoo! #7455] Re: Fleur's love life Date: 8/22/00 10:10 am (ET) Marion, All I can say is how I might have responded to the attentions of an eighteen year-old part veela: YEAH! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:12:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:12:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7527 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7502] Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 10:12 am (ET) Okay, this is going to be risky, since I haven't read the next 20 posts, but I can't stop myself. Penny, I think I've got some indication that Hermione actually likes Ron. I was reading last night to my husband (got up to chapter 22 or 23 - can't remember... the one before "The Second Task") and read on after he decided that he couldn't stay awake any more. Well, in the chapter after the Second Task, they're sitting in Potions. Remember? And the Slytherins toss Hermione a copy of _Witch Week_, which has Rita Skeeter's article about Hermione being a Scarlet Woman. ;) So anyway, JKR definitely (and specifically) states that Hermione gets embarrassed telling *Ron* about what Viktor said to her after he finished the task. Just a little phrase stuck in here, but I still think it's worth noting. Jen (who is now coughing uncontrollably and had to leave her room so as not to wake up hubby at 6:30am) From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7528 From: jferer Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7527] Re: Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 10:18 am (ET) Good pickup, Jen. The obvious sign to me is Hermione's irritation at not being asked is all directed at Ron, never at Harry. "Well spotted!"... "ask me before somebody else does, and not as a last resort!!" OTOH, part of the reason is that Harry was acting less the usual churlish adolescent male oaf than Ron was. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:18:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7529 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Reply To: [Yahoo! #7517] Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/22/00 10:18 am (ET) By: aussie_pawprint Date: 8/22/00 6:11 am okay... that was rather a warped view. the way I see it is that asking what someone sees in the Mirror of Erised is a rather personal question, so Dumbledore just made his answer up ********************** I don't know...I have a lot of socks that go missing in my house...seems house elves might be breaking in and snatching them up to outfit their army. I just wish they would stay and straighten up the place. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 14:55:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: Scholastic school guides Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7530 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Scholastic school guides Reply To: [Yahoo! #7493] Re: Scholastic school guides Date: 8/22/00 10:55 am (ET) You can order them from Amazon, and they have a pretty fair return policy if you turn out to not want to keep them. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:01:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:01:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' escape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7531 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Sirius' escape Reply To: [Yahoo! #7472] Re: Sirius' escape Date: 8/22/00 11:01 am (ET) <<Didn't he already know Peter was alive, tho? I mean, he knew he hadn't killed him! And Peter is too much a coward to kill himself just for the chance to frame Sirius--he knew he escaped with the rats down the sewers.>> Yes, he knew he was alive, but he didn't have any way to find him - I mean, finding one rat in all of England, or even possibly in all of the wizarding world, is a pretty tough challenge, especially for a wizard without a wand. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:05:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: The Power of the Internet&Movie Promos Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7532 From: heiditandy Subject: The Power of the Internet&Movie Promos Date: 8/22/00 11:05 am (ET) Warner Bros., in a highly secretive casting campaign, informed the child actors of the choices for the roles Monday in London and, hours later, at 8 a.m. PDT, released the information to the rest of the world via the Internet. "There was so much unofficial, erroneous information out there that we thought that a major announcement like this would help position http://www.HarryPotter.com as the No. 1 source for accurate information about the movie," Warners senior vp theatrical marketing and new media Don Buckley said. He said early indications showed that the site had about 100 requests every four seconds in the first three hours of the information's release. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:30:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7533 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7442] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 11:30 am (ET) I too liked the looks of the leads for the film. I have always imagined Hermione wearing a very serious hairdo. Sort of braids worn back or a small bun BUT never loose. Jim From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:40:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7534 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7533] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 11:40 am (ET) Jim, Voice of a teenager from over my shoulder agrees with you! Nyssa says she always pictures Hermione with 2 braids or a rather frizzy ponytail. She disagrees with the casting choice for Hermione, but very much likes the other 2 ("Ron's a cutie" - direct quote from over my shoulder!). Sheryll From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:46:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:46:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7535 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7527] Re: Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 11:46 am (ET) Hi: <<<And the Slytherins toss Hermione a copy of _Witch Week_, which has Rita Skeeter's article about Hermione being a Scarlet Woman. ;) So anyway, JKR definitely (and specifically) states that Hermione gets embarrassed telling *Ron* about what Viktor said to her after he finished the task. Just a little phrase stuck in here, but I still think it's worth noting.>>> Well, I guess I would argue that her embarassment stems from the fact that she knows Ron likes her & she knows that what's she's about to say might make him uncomfortable or angry. I'm still not convinced that her embarassment means she likes him back. Then again, it's going to be tough to sell me on the Hermione likes Ron theory. <g> Hope you feel better soon Jen -- doesn't sound like you've recovered yet. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 15:59:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7536 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7528] Re: Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 11:59 am (ET) Me again (she says sheepishly) -- <<<OTOH, part of the reason is that Harry was acting less the usual churlish adolescent male oaf than Ron was.>>> I think that's the real clue to your first statements -- why she directs her anger at Ron, rather than at Harry or at them both. I think Ron's comments about getting the best-looking girl to go with him do piss her off. But, I don't believe she's mad because she wishes he had asked her -- I think she's just mad in a feminist sort of way (doesn't believe women should be valued solely for their looks). That's my impression anyway. Harry doesn't make the same generally offensive comments so her anger gets directed strictly at Ron. As for the "You should have asked me first" argument -- the fundamental problem, IMO, is that we're in Harry's POV so we don't know exactly what Ron said to her right before Harry climbed through the portrait hole into the common room. His comments at the ball, however, were more that he thought she was betraying Harry & Hogwarts by going with Krum. If Ron said -- "Hey! I did ask you -- why didn't you just go with me?", then her response *would* support the idea that she likes him back & wishes he'd asked her. On the other hand, if what Ron said was more like what he told her at the ball "I can't believe you went with Krum. You were betraying Hogwarts, and Harry in particular, by going with him!," then her response takes on a completely different meaning in my mind. In the latter case, her response turns into something less personal -- something more like "If you don't like me going with a Durmstrang student, you should have asked me first yourself then." IMO we just don't have the full scoop on that argument to draw conclusions. Penny From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 16:01:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: More about Fleur Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7537 From: spicoli323 Subject: More about Fleur Date: 8/22/00 12:01 pm (ET) Judging from the mentions of Fleur I've seen in recent messages, I get the idea that the prevailing opinion about her is 1) She is not a very good witch, and 2) Nevertheless, she will be coming back to teach at Hogwarts in year five. I don't think I agree with either of these. Going back and looking at Fleur's performance in the Tournament, it is true that overall she did the worst of any of the champions, but it can't be said that she is bad at magic. She was at least as successful in the first task as Krum or Diggory, and in the third task she didn't have the opportunity to do much after Crouch incapacitated her. He only really big failure was in the second task, but it doesn't necessarily mean she is incompetent---she might just not work well under pressure or in the face of unfamiliar situations. But she was chosen to represent her school, which must mean she is as proficient a witch as anyone else from Beauxbatons. On the other hand, she still doesn't have any real experience, and so although I agree she will come back the following year and have some part in Book 5, I don't see her coming back as a teacher. She might be an assistant professor, or something of that sort--something to give her experience and help her practice her English. As far as the next DADA teacher goes, I believe Rowling will follow tradition and introduce someone totally new next book. Maybe it will be that American witch or wizard I have been hoping for? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 16:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: Photo Albums Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7538 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Photo Albums Date: 8/22/00 12:10 pm (ET) Hi: Skimmel had a good suggestion, considering that our photo albums were mostly wiped out by Yahoo glitches. Since we're left with a blank slate, we should create some organization with the section. I've added Photo Albums as follows: CoverArt Casting (Actors & Actresses) Fan Art JKR Sightings & Landmarks Movie Information If you could, change photos you've uploaded recently into these general directories -- they are group albums, so anyone should be able to upload pics into them. You might also consider not re-submitting photos or illustrations until Yahoo gives us the "all clear." I don't think the bugs are all ironed out yet. We can also add more photo album categories -- let me know if you think of others that should be added. Penny From vderark at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 16:24:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7539 From: vderark Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Reply To: [Yahoo! #7517] Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/22/00 12:24 pm (ET) Dumbledore? A house-elf? Maybe not that, but I've come to the point where I don't dismiss ANYTHING in a HP book. You'll note that I posted the sock question on the Puzzles, Red Herrings, Clues, and Mysteries page of the Lexicon some weeks ago. My own interpretation is that Dumbledore realizes the inherent power of the house elves and his greatest desire is to find a way to break them from their cultural enslavement to get them to use their powerful magic against Voldemort. Their enslavement is built into their whole mindset, however, and the symbolic "pair of socks" that will break that enslavement is what he is desiring. The house elves right now are amoral...they put devotion to the family above all, no matter what that family is up to. Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 17:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7540 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7533] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 1:16 pm (ET) <<I too liked the looks of the leads for the film. I have always imagined Hermione wearing a very serious hairdo. Sort of braids worn back or a small bun BUT never loose.>> In my hazy mind's eye, I saw Hermione as much less pretty, Harry a little cuter and darker and Ron far more gawky and carroty, but I think they are good choices. Let's not forget that the photo is a publicity shot - they probably won't look like that in the film. For a start, Harry will have to wear glasses that don't look as if they've just been cut out of a cereal packet. Hermione will need a bad perm to get the bushy look and Ron's hair could probably do with some more rouge. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 17:25:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Humourous headlines. (Have to post 1st! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7541 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Humourous headlines. (Have to post 1st! Date: 8/22/00 1:25 pm (ET) "Brits pioneer 'vasectomy tourism" Those crazy English! Isn't this going a little too far. On your left, you'll see a man getting a vasectomy. On your right, you'll see a man getting a vasectomy. Who wants to see that on vacation! "USDA: Drug-tainted carcasses need destroyed, not just organs" Now, I'm wondering if they're just piling them up right now, or are they selling the meat? I'll take a steak, hold the steroids please. "No charges filed in ant bite death" Even if you could catch the one that did it, you'd have a tough time keeping it in jail. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 18:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Daemons of Yahell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7542 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Daemons of Yahell Date: 8/22/00 2:41 pm (ET) This is a test post. Yahoo has been stating that everything I try to post "Has already been submitted" despite the fact that I haven't hit post until now. More flaws in the works, groans. I hate the yahell daemons. I wish I could talk Snape into giving me an DADA spell against THEM! From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 18:44:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: How the movie SHOULD have been made Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7543 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: How the movie SHOULD have been made Reply To: [Yahoo! #7411] How the movie SHOULD have been made Date: 8/22/00 2:44 pm (ET) Amen ! And I only saw Princess Mononoke, but I totally agree with you ! Doriane From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 19:13:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:13:00 -0400 Subject: HP Shippings, and BoM similiarites Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7544 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: HP Shippings, and BoM similiarites Reply To: [Yahoo! #7490] Re: Harry/Ginny (or whoever) pairings Date: 8/22/00 3:13 pm (ET) I would have to agree with ya, Vicki. There's clear interest between Ron and Hermione. The two remind me of the evolving relationship between Xander Harris and Willow Rosenberg on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's also aspects of Mulder/Scully stylings with Hermoine being more practical and skeptical than Ron who's a bit more joking. (He's not as bad as the twins, but he still has a good sense of humor.) It seems like Hermoine's has been nursing a crush toward Ron for some time, and he's interested in her, but he always sees her as a close friend, and isn't quite that clear how he really feels about her. Harry has yet to find his other half, and I think it will lead to disasterous results whoever gets close to him if the story continues mirroring DC/Vertigo's "Books of Magic" comics. (Especially if Harry hooks with an Irish fae-like girl like Molly O'Reilly. He's already met up with a succabus like girl (Tim had met with a succabus who he freed named Leah), namely Fleur.) ~Whisper From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 19:47:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: MORE ON THE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7545 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: MORE ON THE Reply To: [Yahoo! #7500] MORE ON THE "HARRY POTTER" MOVIE... Date: 8/22/00 3:47 pm (ET) By: angelx_ph Multi-award winning composer John Williams will do the score of the first film. I don't know about you guys but he's an excellent choice, IMO. ------------------- Yeah, he's great at stealing classical music such as Holst's "The Planets", doing some minor rearranging and calling it his _original_ composition. He did that with some of the Star Wars stuff also. Now I agree that he creates excellent soundtracks, but a lot of them are NOT original compositions. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 19:59:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:59:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors side Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7546 From: vjmerri Subject: Dementors side Reply To: [Yahoo! #7521] Re: Sirius Black and manic depression Date: 8/22/00 3:59 pm (ET) brooks wrote: the Good Guys may be too optimistic - the Dementors are ALREADY on Voldy's side - which is why they went after Harry during the Pettigrew/Sirius/Lupin fiasco - they are just biding their time for him to reappear.>>> -------------------- Good point! I hadn't thought about it but now that you've mentioned it it makes perfect sense. I'd been having troubles figuring out why they deliberately tried to kiss Harry, and all I could come up with was the thrill of the chase. Your explanation is better. vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 20:14:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7547 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7533] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 4:14 pm (ET) By: jmhohman_2000 Date: 8/22/00 11:30 am I too liked the looks of the leads for the film. I have always imagined Hermione wearing a very serious hairdo. Sort of braids worn back or a small bun BUT never loose. ------------------ But but... its just a publicity still. All of that comes under the category of makeup. Harry will need black hair dye and Ron needs just a shade more red in his hair. I think they're perfect. The biggest nitpick is that Harry is a tad tall and robust, and that's such a minor trivial thing. Besides, I definitely don't see Hermione in a bun. Remember that JKR mentioned the special sleek hairdo that she sported for the ball, clearly indicating that it was unusual. Pig tails maybe, but I always got the impression that she just brushed her hair and put it in a ponytail everyday. She's not the type to fuss with it. vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 20:27:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione Hair. was Leads in Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7548 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Hermione Hair. was Leads in Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7547] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 4:27 pm (ET) > I always got the impression that she just brushed her hair and put it in a ponytail everyday. Actually, I got the impression it was frizzy, and at most she put a band over it. From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 20:45:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7549 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 4:45 pm (ET) I heard a rumor that Rosie O'Donnell wanted the part of Mrs. Weasely. Anyone hear any more on this? I think she would do really well, if the Weasleys are Irish. Although, I am sure with some vocal coaching she could pull of an English accent. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 20:53:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: House elves and socks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7550 From: ravenclawlady Subject: House elves and socks Reply To: [Yahoo! #7529] Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/22/00 4:53 pm (ET) <<I don't know...I have a lot of socks that go missing in my house...seems house elves might be breaking in and snatching them up to outfit their army. I just wish they would stay and straighten up the place. >> IMO, that would be Dobby, rather than "house elves" in general. Maybe if you offered to pay him... I see the sock fetish as being specific to Dobby, (not house-elf-wide) because he was freed by a sock. If Lucius had thrown him a mitten, he'd be especially fond of mittens. Other house elves were not given socks for freedom, and (if Winky is any indication) they'd resent socks if they were. Just my two knutes. Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 20:57:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7551 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/22/00 4:57 pm (ET) Hi: Well, I'm in the minority on some other HP groups on this one -- I suspect I will be here too. In my mind, bushy does not necessarily indicate curly or frizzy. It can just mean thick hair with lots of volume. My hairdresser describes my hair as "bushy" and I assure you it's straight as a board. Of course, Rita Skeeter implies there's some curl to Hermione's hair in GoF, so I've had to rethink my position a bit. I like Emma Watson's hair -- a tad more volume would be good, but I don't think she needs frizz by any means. I like her the best of all the kids cast so far. Penny From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:07:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7552 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7551] Hermione's Hair Date: 8/22/00 5:07 pm (ET) Well, I always pictured Hermione's hair with at least some slight frizz, but no more than Watson has in the publicity photo. I definitely agree that of the three kids she looks the most like her character. From maxine450 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:10:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:10:00 -0400 Subject: Actors for HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7553 From: maxine450 Subject: Actors for HP Date: 8/22/00 5:10 pm (ET) Harry Ron and Hermione are perfect but read this Britain's Alan Rickman and Irish actor Richard Harris reportedly have been in talks to play the roles of Professor Snape and headmaster Dumbledore, respectively. Dame Maggie Smith has emerged in media reports in connection with Harry's transfiguration teacher, Professor McGonagall, and Scottish actor Robbie Coltrane as been linked to the role of Hagrid, the school's groundsman who befriends the young wizard. I dont think any of these actors would be good for McGonagall, Hagrid, maybe Snape...I saw their pictures and they dont look like the characters at all. Tell me what you all think. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:11:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Jim Dale LA Times interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7554 From: sarvalsha Subject: Jim Dale LA Times interview Date: 8/22/00 5:11 pm (ET) There's a nice interview with Jim Dale in yesterday's LA Times. The address is http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/20000820/t000078443.html. It answers some of our questions about the accents. Hagrid was patterned after an uncle from Cornwall, Dumbledore was patterned after John Houseman, etc. Anyway check it out. And it says he should have a role in the movie. Did we ever come up with a suitable one for him in all the discussions of casting? Margaret From karob_7 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:12:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7555 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7552] Re: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/22/00 5:12 pm (ET) <<I definitely agree that of the three kids she looks the most like her character. >> Yep, I think so, too. Actually, she is *exactly* how I imagined her--hair and all. I was amazed when I saw the picture. As far as appearance goes, I'm pleased with the choices. I can't imagine how excited those kids must be. Karin From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:45:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors side Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7556 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Dementors side Reply To: [Yahoo! #7546] Dementors side Date: 8/22/00 5:45 pm (ET) And it also explains why the one swoops on BC Jr in GoF - for exactly the reason Dumbledore says - to keep him from talking more and naming more names. It looks like just an overenthusiastic Dementor, in 'thrill of chase' or 'anger at ANOTHER escape' - but I bet it is more sinister than that. E.g. BC,Jr may have known that Voldy's emissaries have *already* been sent to the Dementors. I think Dumbledore and Arthur had better contact some Aurors and have them make an visit to Azkaban ASAP, to see who is still there, and who have already escaped. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 21:57:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7557 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7549] Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 5:57 pm (ET) Absolutely NO Americans, please! Especially not Rosie O'Donnell (can't stand her). If Americans must have their fingers in the movie pie, let it all be behind-the-scenes. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:10:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7558 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7557] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 6:10 pm (ET) Date: 8/22/00 5:57 pm Absolutely NO Americans, please! Especially not Rosie O'Donnell (can't stand her). If Americans must have their fingers in the movie pie, let it all be behind-the-scenes. ------------------- I don't like Rosie, but an American wouldn't be bad for Mrs. Weasley. Not good, but not a disaster, especially for the first movie. I suspect that they will pick a British person for her also. There is simply no reason other than "star status" to pick an American and the part isn't big enough to use a star in the role. Mrs. Weasley does virtually nothing in the first movie. They will be too busy cutting bits of the book to fit "standard movie time" to increase anyone's role. Really you'd have to pick someone who could do the second movie in a year or two and that is only IF, I might add, that the first one is a success. I've got some story that sticks in my head to the tune that Christopher Reeves was concerned about being typecast as Superman while he was still filming the first Superman. Some really famous actor, like Sean Connery said "Not to worry. Worry about being good in Superman I. Otherwise you won't have to worry about being typecast in Superman II and III." Maybe it was told to him by Marlon Brando, who would have been on the Superman set. vicki From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:16:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7559 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7547] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/22/00 6:16 pm (ET) I didn't mean a tight bun but rather one of those that women with somewhat frizzy hair wear. Sort of puffed out at the sides. Actually in my minds eye I see her with side braids pulled high around the back and the rest of the hair down in back. I'm sure that there are names for these styles. Jim From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:25:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7560 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7535] Re: Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 6:25 pm (ET) Penny wrote re: Hermione's reaction to Ron in Book 4: "Well, I guess I would argue that her embarassment stems from the fact that she knows Ron likes her & she knows that what's she's about to say might make him uncomfortable or angry. I'm still not convinced that her embarassment means she likes him back." I can't speak for anyone else, but I've found myself in Hermione's situation over and over again as a teen and even in college. It even happened to me last year at work! Her reactions are perfectly normal and does not necessarily indicate that she reciprocates his feelings IMO. Assertion #1: "She blushed." --You would too. Let me explain. For some reason, every time I looked up, some guy who I *thought* was a brother was suddenly seeking more than sibling affection. Unless the guy was a complete loser (and none of my friends fit the bill), whenever I noticed him staring with That Look in his eyes, I would blush too! (At least my face would get all warm--you can't really tell if I'm blushing or not. <g>) Didn't mean I had any intention to change his status in my life. It's a very humble "wow, what does he see in me?" type reaction. Assertion #2: "She seems embarrassed to tell Ron what Viktor said to her." ---In my experience, whenever The Boyfriend came up in conversation with a crushed-out close friend, it made me VERY embarrassed. Even I didn't like the friend in question *in that way* I didn't want to see him hurt, either. Assertion #3: "She seems jealous of Fleur." ---I always experienced some pangs of jealousy when The Look disappeared from a crushed-out friend's eyes, too. I would say more about this in relation to socialized female behavior in the society I grew up in, but I don't want to step on any toes. Bottom Line: --Even if I'm wrong about all of the above, even if all of my arguments are very Ebony-specific, *all is not going to go smoothly in this H/R setup*. I'd be willing to put money on it. Actually, unless JKR avoids romantic entanglements altogether, there will be ship-related complications. Even if all three date outside of the Trio. There's no way around it. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who enjoys ship debates as much as some enjoy the Numbers and Casting discussions--to each his/her own!) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:26:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:26:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7561 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7558] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 6:26 pm (ET) Rosie is actually pretty good in _A League of Their Own_ but I don't think she could pull off Molly Weasely. JKR's own sketch of McGonagall looked depressingly like Miss Gulch (Margaret Hamilton, Wicked Witch of West) and I have a bit of trouble seeing Maggie Smith as her, because I don't think MM is as old as that is leaning towards. I'd vote for Elizabeth Sladen as McGonagall! Speaking of kid actors, and totally off topic, what ever happened to the kids in _Mary Poppins_? They have been a 'Where Are They Now' I have been wondering about for years. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:30:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Jim Dale LA Times interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7562 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Jim Dale LA Times interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #7554] Jim Dale LA Times interview Date: 8/22/00 6:30 pm (ET) <<And it says he should have a role in the movie. Did we ever come up with a suitable one for him in all the discussions of casting?>> I think I skipped all those discussions, but wouldn't he be GREAT as the Sorting Hat? (for those of you unfamiliar with the original broadway cast of musicals like Barnum, the man can SING!) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 22:32:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7563 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7561] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 6:32 pm (ET) Here's something totally different: Who do we cast as the images of Harry's parents as seen in the Mirror of Erised, & as voices & ghosts in later movies? From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:04:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7564 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Cover Art Date: 8/22/00 7:04 pm (ET) I just checked out Jim Flanagan's (Jamesf991)photos of cover art from around the world. I thought, for the most part, the works were rather mundane. However, the real exception is the Swedish Cover for CoS. Wow! I'm an artist and I was really impressed by that one. I do rather like the American covers too. Are they and the UK ones the same? Jim From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: Ebony & Farmer in the Dell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7565 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Ebony & Farmer in the Dell Reply To: [Yahoo! #7560] Re: Farmer in the Dell Date: 8/22/00 7:13 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Bottom Line: -- Even if I'm wrong about all of the above, even if all of my arguments are very Ebony-specific, *all is not going to go smoothly in this H/R setup*. I'd be willing to put money on it.>>> I'd put money on it too! <g> Thanks for fleshing out my original argument with some real-life examples. That's exactly what I meant. <<<Ebony AKA AngieJ (who enjoys ship debates as much as some enjoy the Numbers and Casting discussions--to each his/her own!)>>> I hate the casting discussions because I never know any of the names being tossed around. But, I *love* the shippy debates!! Of course, Ebony & I happen to agree most always, so it's not really a debate in our case. Penny From vjmerri at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:22:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7566 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #7564] Cover Art Date: 8/22/00 7:22 pm (ET) By: jmhohman_2000 I just checked out Jim Flanagan's (Jamesf991)photos of cover art from around the world. I thought, for the most part, the works were rather mundane. However, the real exception is the Swedish Cover for CoS. Wow! I'm an artist and I was really impressed by that one. I do rather like the American covers too. Are they and the UK ones the same? Jim ---------------- I was probably looking at them at the same time as you, since I'm taking advantage of a system thats, ahem, better than the one at home. The German ones were interesting artistically, if you like modern styles, but seem odd for the books. I also liked the Swedish artwork very much, as you did. The English editions have very different artwork from the US editions. They are all clearly designed for children's books covers, aimed at, IMO, roughly 9-10 year olds. Book four is an exception to that, actually. I should have said the covers to books 1-3 were clearly aimed for children. The UK also came out with an "adult" trade paperback of book one, which has a black and white photo of a steam engine coming towards the viewer, along with the Title of the book. I'm told this was deliberately published so that adults would feel comfortable carrying the book around. I picked up a copy of 1-4 plus the adult paperback in England and my friends who have seen the adult book think it looks dull and boring. I tend to agree but then, that was its specific purpose, to camoflage itself. Now HP is so well known and so popular that an adult could probably carry any sort of copy, but I suspect when the train cover came out, it wasn't so, and the british editions have some of the most childish (i.e. child oriented) covers of the lot (with France and Germany in the running.) One thing I've noticed is that the covers of most of the countries are changing right along with the books. ie., that books 1 and 2 are definitely child oriented covers, book 3 less so, and based only on the UK and US editions, book 4 even less so. vicki From poohbr_65 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:36:00 2000 From: poohbr_65 at yahoo.com (poohbr_65) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: Cover art and a question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7567 From: poohbr_65 Subject: Cover art and a question Date: 8/22/00 7:36 pm (ET) Hi all, Just finished looking at the cover art. Some of it is really nice (liked the swedish stuff) and some seemed weird. Wish I was still living in Japan. I would have to pick up those copies. We did that with a lot of stuff when we were over there just to have something different. I do have some friends in Germany. They do some travelling too. See what they can pick up for me. As for the question. Why is it in a lot of these pictures they show Harry wearing a CAPE? The way I picture their robes is totally different. They would cover completely so they wouldn't have to wear anything underneath unless they wanted to. Or is the cape thing what they really mean? Just curious Shelly From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:51:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7568 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7563] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 7:51 pm (ET) First, the parents: since it's cameos, in the mirror, I'd first look at Daniel Radcliffe's parents and relatives. The next choice, do a computer age projection on Daniel and do it in CGI, but that doesn't help for Lily. For the voice actors, I don't know. Minnie Driver, maybe, for Lily, and for James,,,(is there a way to deepen Daniel's own voice digitally and use that? Probably) Mrs. Weasley is important. First, NOT Rosie O'Donnell (the ultimate vanity part.) My first choice is the mother of one of my daughter's playmates, who is Molly personified, but I don't think that's going to happen, so who? There was a character in the Kevin Costner Robin Hood picture that looked perfect, but I don't know her name at all. From jferer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 23:53:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: Jim Dale in the movie? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7569 From: jferer Subject: Jim Dale in the movie? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7562] Re: Jim Dale LA Times interview Date: 8/22/00 7:53 pm (ET) Do you think Jim Dale's too old to be Arthur Weasley? That would be good! He'd be great as the Sorting Hat, but he'd be wasted in such a small part. Have Billy Connolly do the Sorting Hat. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 00:18:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: MORE ON THE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7570 From: jferer Subject: Re: MORE ON THE Reply To: [Yahoo! #7545] Re: MORE ON THE Date: 8/22/00 8:18 pm (ET) Vicki wrote, "Yeah, he's great at stealing classical music such as Holst's "The Planets", doing some minor rearranging and calling it his _original_ composition. He did that with some of the Star Wars stuff also. Now I agree that he creates excellent soundtracks, but a lot of them are NOT original compositions." I have to listen again. What he's doing is not necessarily illegitimate, so long as he doesn't pretend he did it himself. But the question becomes, what KIND of score should the Potter movie have? I don't think it should be grandiose like the Star Wars or Indiana Jones films. I can't figure out if it should be folkish, or evoke an era of castles, but it shouldn't hit us over the head. That's one of the reasons I preferred Patrick Doyle or Joe Hisaishi. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 00:22:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7571 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7568] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 8:22 pm (ET) ----By: jferer ----Date: 8/22/00 7:51 pm "First, the parents: since it's cameos, in the mirror, I'd first look at Daniel Radcliffe's parents and relatives. The next choice, do a computer age projection on Daniel and do it in CGI, but that doesn't help for Lily. For the voice actors, I don't know. Minnie Driver, maybe, for Lily, and for James,,,(is there a way to deepen Daniel's own voice digitally and use that? Probably)" Are we so sure that there WILL be a Mirror of Erised scene? Movie directors and screenwriters are notorious for eliminating the most symbolically rich and thematic scenes in a novel because they're "too quiet" and "don't translate well to film". Ebony AKA AngieJ (who agrees wholeheartedly with the anime idea) From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 00:36:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:36:00 -0400 Subject: German Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7572 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: German Cover Art Date: 8/22/00 8:36 pm (ET) The Germans are apparently taking a different approach to selecting the cover for their edition of Goblet of Fire. The German Amazon is conducting a poll on which of two covers their customers prefer. I have uploaded both choices into the photo album. These are not the finished product but are the preliminary sketches of the covers. I find it interesting that they are considering a cover with a mermaid on it. From jferer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7573 From: jferer Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7571] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 9:02 pm (ET) We're not sure there will be a Mirror of Erised scene. You are right. I'm being silly, I know, but I didn't like hearing John Williams is doing the score. It suggests they are indeed going the "adrenaline" route. About the anime, I'm not a big advocate of animating the thing, actually: I'm a big advocate of Miyazaki, and an animator is what he is. And calling his stuff anime doesn't do it justice. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:14:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: MORE ON THE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7574 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: MORE ON THE Reply To: [Yahoo! #7570] Re: MORE ON THE Date: 8/22/00 9:14 pm (ET) Listen to his music to "Hook" and "Home Alone" (the main title music). I think the "Harry Potter" score would sound like a hybrid of those two. From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:18:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: Actors for HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7575 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Actors for HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7553] Actors for HP Date: 8/22/00 9:18 pm (ET) "Inspector Maigret" as Dumbledore?? I don't think so... As far as the kids, they look cute but that doesn't mean they can act. (School plays is not my idea of great acting credentials.) I'm still very skeptical they can pull this off... From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:24:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7576 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7549] Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 9:24 pm (ET) Yeah, Rosie *wants* it... But JKR wants an all-British cast. My personal choice for Mrs. Weasley (as I've said before) is Pauline Collins of _Shirley Valentine_ fame. Another weird Collins-Potter connection I discovered: In her old sitcom _No Honestly!_, Pauline repeatedly refers to her father's fire-breathing butler as "You-Know-Who". From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:48:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7577 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7573] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 9:48 pm (ET) >>We're not sure there will be a Mirror of Erised scene.<< Uh, hello, have we all forgotten how important the Mirror is to the end of S/PS? Harry needs to know about the Mirror firsthand before plucking the Stone out of his pocket in front of Quirrell and his phantom Voldy face. Leaving it out of the film would seriously damage the exciting denouement. My 2 Galleons. Trina From wisteria at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:49:00 2000 From: wisteria at yahoo.com (wisteria) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: Actors for HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7578 From: wisteria Subject: Re: Actors for HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7553] Actors for HP Date: 8/22/00 9:49 pm (ET) OMG, I would LOVE it if Alan Rickman or Robbie Coltrane were in the movie - they are two of my favorite actors! Rickman is perfect for Snape, he'd just have to do black hair like he did in Quigley Down Under... and didn't he have black hair in Dogma? I think Robbie Coltrane would be great as Hagrid, too... he's got the personality, and they'd just need to add facial hair, maybe dye his hair a diff. color. Yippeee!! If those rumors are true, then I can't wait for the movie to come out (okay, so even if they aren't, I can't wait ;)). Traci From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:49:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7579 From: sarvalsha Subject: American DADA teacher Date: 8/22/00 9:49 pm (ET) Knowing JKR's penchant for significant names, I'm placing a bet that Professor Dumbledore will hire the famous cowgirl witch, H. Opal Long, an animagus who turns into a jack rabbit. Margaret From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:55:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7580 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7579] American DADA teacher Date: 8/22/00 9:55 pm (ET) No she doesn't turn into a jack rabbit - H. Opal Long turns into Catlady. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 01:56:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:56:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7581 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7580] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/22/00 9:56 pm (ET) Or maybe she's South American and it's a Cassowary.... From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:01:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7582 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Reply To: [Yahoo! #7517] Re: Dumbledore's Secret Identity Date: 8/22/00 10:01 pm (ET) >>okay... that was rather a warped view. the way I see it is that asking what someone sees in the Mirror of Erised is a rather personal question, so Dumbledore just made his answer up << I have it on good authority that he was just being funny. Please note the references to the Death Eater's campout and Voldemort Soup. Not to mention the clown face :0) and reference to the insane asylum...hint hint! I know for a fact that he's not really Sirius..He is actually more like Fred or George! From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:02:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: German Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7583 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: German Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #7572] German Cover Art Date: 8/22/00 10:02 pm (ET) Do the Germans have a "None of the Above" option????? Harriet From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:02:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7584 From: Danemead Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7581] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/22/00 10:02 pm (ET) Or maybe she's South American and it's a Cassowary.... H. Opal Long Cassawary?? Didn't I used to have a lunchbox with him on it? Lemme git mah lasso... and my six-shooter, and my gen-u-wine mesquite wood wand with the eagle feather inside.... From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:07:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: The Search For the Leaky Cauldron Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7585 From: p_dumbledore Subject: The Search For the Leaky Cauldron Date: 8/22/00 10:07 pm (ET) Hey, Nick, Neal, had a great weekend in London !! Was nice to meet you both. Well.... Found a few spots on Charing Cross Road that looked promising. I suspect that the Leaky Cauldron is just South of Oxford Street, get out at the Tottenham Court Rd Underground station and go down Charing Cross Road Towards Trafalgar Square. When I get the photos developed, will post some possible locations. It is promising, as there are several book stores, and record shops in the area. A little farther south are a number of the theatres, so someone like Hagrid might attact attention but would be passed off as a possible actor in costume. Even a few wizards wandering around, might also be considered someone from a local theater group. If you make it to London, and Charing Cross road, look around the area of the Borders Book Store, just to the North of it. We found a small alley, and tried tapping on several bricks, without success. Dennis From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:13:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7586 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7576] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/22/00 10:13 pm (ET) Hi -- Another first. I don't even usually read the casting posts but lo & behold -- <<<My personal choice for Mrs. Weasley (as I've said before) is Pauline Collins of _Shirley Valentine_ fame.>>> I *love* that movie, and I think she'd make a great Mrs. Weasley. Although, is she too old now? That movie was at least 10 yrs ago if memory serves me. Penny From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:14:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7587 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7577] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 10:14 pm (ET) Trina wrote: "Uh, hello, have we all forgotten how important the Mirror is to the end of S/PS?" You know that and I know that. However, I've been burned too often in the book-to-movie arena. I think despite the excitement about the movie, I'm going to keep my expectations low. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than hugely disappointed. BTW, the #1 issue IMO is not casting or score--although those are important!--it's special effects. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who still thinks an anime or even better--Pixar--series would have translated better from the books) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:19:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7588 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7587] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 10:19 pm (ET) yes they might substitute a different kind of thing for the Mirror at the end - it is a neat character development trick, but if they do a consistent change and one that Dumbledore could reasonably have contrived I would not complain too loudly. I would have preferred Danny Elfman for the score though as i think he could do something more appropriate at the drop of a tone.... (someone will probably flatten me for that one!) From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:21:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7589 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Date: 8/22/00 10:21 pm (ET) I just finished listening to the Stephen Fry version of Chamber of Secrets. While it was well done, I still prefer the Jim Dale presentation. In the Fry version, Gildaroy is a somewhat TV News Generic Accent, with no real personality. While Dale, did a more self serving, and perhaps a little bit of Liberace style to it. I did like Frys version of Ron better than Dales, and Fry version did make use of some special effects, that did add a bit to the presentation. i.e. some echo effects were used for when an announcement was made at the quidditch match. And when Harry heard the snake, it also had the echo effect. Fry does pronounce it as "Her my on nee" compared to the Dale, "Her mon nee" version. Both are good, but Dale does make better use of accents, and voices for each character than Fry does. Most have very little difference between them. I did like the UK plastic box nicer than the cardboard box, which is getting a little ragged after being shared by several friends, as well as taken on several trips. Dennis From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:25:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: MORE ON THE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7590 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: MORE ON THE Reply To: [Yahoo! #7570] Re: MORE ON THE Date: 8/22/00 10:25 pm (ET) By: jferer Re John Williams: I have to listen again. What he's doing is not necessarily illegitimate, so long as he doesn't pretend he did it himself. -------------------- But he does. I've got Star Wars and Conan, at least, and they both list John Williams as the composer, not even assists on Conan from Holst and frankly, Conan was the worst. If Holst was alive he could sue JW's tail off. However, its not illegitimate because the works he uses are long out of copyright protection, but, IMNSHO, that doesn't justify it. ---------------- But the question becomes, what KIND of score should the Potter movie have? I don't think it should be grandiose like the Star Wars or Indiana ------------ Totally agree with this. The music should be varied and backgroundy, not large and grandiose. Parts of it should be unusual, mysterious and secretive while other parts should be "normal." I could see folkish music for diagon alley. Actually, I think in general there will be sufficient going on in the movie that the music shouldn't be extremely noticeable. It should blend in and not call attention to itself, if that makes sense. It will be interesting to see how they deal with the Hogwarts anthem, where each student/students get to pick their own tune. That could sound as awful as the ghost music. :-) vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:35:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7591 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7577] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 10:35 pm (ET) By: triner2001 >>We're not sure there will be a Mirror of Erised scene.<< Uh, hello, have we all forgotten how important the Mirror is to the end of S/PS? Leaving it out of the film would seriously damage the exciting denouement. ----------------------- Uh, hello, have we all forgotten what a disaster can happen to a perfectly good book that would make a perfectly good movie in and of itself? If you have I recommend as an exercise that you read Ian Flemings "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and then rent the movie. I rest my case. Best to do that before I get a full head of rant going on the movie/book translation. Now that doesn't mean that they will necessarily completely do away with the mirror, but I suspect the scene may be cut and that Harry finds out about the mirror in some other way. Actually they could do it by having the actor Harry Potter react to the mirror without our ever needing to actually _see_ the people in it ourselves. Vicki From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:36:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7592 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Reply To: [Yahoo! #7589] Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Date: 8/22/00 10:36 pm (ET) I love the voice Stephen Fry uses for Draco Malfoy, though -- that bored upper-class accent. Made me almost like the character. I also like his Hermione better (not the pronunciation, the character). Harriet From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:50:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Also Sprach Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7593 From: jamesf991 Subject: Also Sprach Yahoo Date: 8/22/00 10:50 pm (ET) I received the following today: Hi, We are currently investigating the photo issue. Your club has been reported to engineering to look into. We are also aware of a club foundation date bug and hope to fix it soon. We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience. Thanks for your interest and patience. Regards, Erica Yahoo! Clubs Specialist Original message follows: ------------------------- Feedback from: jamesf While Viewing: http://help.yahoo.com/help/clubs/clubs-09.html Subject: A Bug in Clubs Club Name: harrypotterforgrownups Happened When: August 19 - 20 More Than Once? Yes Using AOL Browser? No Feedback: There seem to be several permanent glitches in this club's data base. The founding date and founder's name are missing or corrupted. Many photos have disappeared. There used to be 18 albums; now there's only one. Go read the messages -- there are several that refer to these problems. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 02:55:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7594 From: vjmerri Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7587] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/22/00 10:55 pm (ET) By: selah_1977 I think despite the excitement about the movie, I'm going to keep my expectations low. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than hugely disappointed. --------------------- I've been planning similar advice but suspect that I won't succeed. It is always better to be pleasantly surprised but so far the answer is "very cautiously hopeful." --------------------- BTW, the #1 issue IMO is not casting or score--although those are important!--it's special effects. oh no no no no no no no no. totally disagree. I've been a science fiction fan for years. Cheesy special effects can detract from the movie, but in this day and age, and with the backing this movie has, the special effects will be at a minimum decent. But special effects will never ever save a movie that has a ridiculous plot or bad acting. (See "Mission to Mars") What is the number one comment made by movie critics regarding SF films? Great effects, lousy plot/acting. (Godzilla 1998, Mission to Mars, Battlefield Earth (the last almost wins a prize in this department)) Science Fiction / Fantasy books (and by corollary movies) are, at their basic level, still about people doing things to and with other people. If you don't believe and care about the people and the situations, you will never care about the special effects and, ultimately, the movie. Harry Potter has important special effects but I truly think they'll be good enough for all but the technophiles (i.e. those friends of Brooks and mine who love to sit through the movie not watching it but analyzing the effects.) The critical choice of the three main characters has been made. Lets hope they are half as good as they look and they get a good screenplay to work with. Vicki From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 03:15:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:15:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Strikes Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7595 From: plinsenmayer Subject: NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/22/00 11:15 pm (ET) Hi: Well, this really tops it all. Smitster was kind enough to forward to me an article from the Wall St Journal on Monday. It seems Scholastic has decided to try & re-classify the HP books as both "adult" AND "childrens." This decision follows close on the heels of the salon.com article from last week in which Editor-in-Chief McGrath said it was up to each publisher to tell the NY Times Book Review whether a book was "adult" or "childrens." If I'm Scholastic -- this is an easy call to make. Seems they thought so too. But, wait. McGrath, it seems, *really* didn't mean quite what he said last week after all. No, no, no. No, what he *really* meant to say was that the Book Review makes the ultimate decision about where the books will be listed. Scholastic said, we're reclassifying the paperback version of CoS first. They told McGrath that it's not a "childrens' book, so now what will you do with it?" Quote -- "Not much, admits McGrath. We will try & oblige but we always make the call. In the case of books that appeal to all ages, he said he will lean on direction from the publisher, but in this case he was unsure. "What we do in this case I don't know. We'll need to consider it." What a hypocrite!!!!! "In *this* case"!! Hello?? I hope Scholastic's lawyers seize on that one. What a blunder to make in print. The article goes on to quote a mkting study that shows 43% of the HP books were purchased by someone over 14. I fired off another letter to the NY Times -- made *sure* this one was exactly 150 words so maybe they'll publish it. <g> Penny From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 03:26:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7596 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7594] Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/22/00 11:26 pm (ET) The screenplay is in good hands, IMO. The writer is Steven Kloves who also wrote two critically acclaimed films namely "The Fabulous Baker Boys" with Michelle Pfieffer and "Wonder Boys" with Michael Douglas. It's the choice of Chris Columbus I'm kinda worried about. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 03:29:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7597 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Reply To: [Yahoo! #7320] Sirius - Pre Azkaban Date: 8/22/00 11:29 pm (ET) > "I can tell you with absolute honesty that I am not married, never have been, never quite grasped the concept of that institution." Based entirely on my own arrogant speculation, I don't think that is quite right. Sirius was James's best friend, closer than brothers, and therefore became as close to Lily as brother and sister, and thus spent years close to people who were acting like living evidence of Plato's metaphor about love. I forget which of Plato's dialogues it is, but he had his Socrates character tell the story that once upon a time, humans each had four legs, four arms, two heads, and two sex organs, and they reproduced by dispersing their gametes on the ground (like some dry land version of salmon). But the gods saw that these humans were too clever, too brave, and increasingly powerful, and became afraid that the humans would attack Mt. Olympus and conquer the gods. So Olympian Zeus solved the problem by crippling the humans by cutting them all in half. Since then, us humans are been pathetic creatures each with only two arms, only two legs, only one head, only one sex organ, a deep feeling of incompleteness (which is similar to inadequacy), and a low instinctive drive to seek and find and join with one's own true other half. Plato had it that all sex and romance were attempts to find and join with that other half. I'm not assuming that Sirius ever read Plato, but I do believe that he eventually figured out why James, despite still having his eyesight and sense of aesthetics, never wanted to cheat on Lily, explaining it something like: "Those two are like two halves of one person. And the right half of a person never wants to go off and live separate from the left half.... Now, me, I am a complete person who doesn't need an extra half-person, and independence is what suits me best (but, his thoughts whisper, I wonder what it feels like to meet one's own true soulmate; I can't even imagine it, but it must feel very good judging from how happy James and Lily are)." Sure, it's been a lot of years and hard times since then and he doesn't remember ever wondering about soulmates (not even when trying to stop thinking about Cordelia), but > "I can tell you with absolute honesty that I am not married, never have been, if he is speaking with absolute honesty > never quite grasped the concept of that institution." he would have to say something like: "marriage made sense for James and Lily because they were like two halves of one person, but it always seemed to me that marriage for everyone else was more like tying themselves together to run a three-legged race: unnatural, inefficient, and eventually very annoying." Do wizard folk know from three-legged races? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 03:40:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:40:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7598 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7551] Hermione's Hair Date: 8/22/00 11:40 pm (ET) > In my mind, bushy does not necessarily indicate curly or frizzy. It can just mean thick hair with lots of volume. My hairdresser describes my hair as "bushy" and I assure you it's straight as a board. What made Hermione suddenly look beautiful for the Yule Ball was not just having had her teeth shrunk, not just that she was wearing a party dress (and presumably some make-up), but that her hair had been subdued with an entire jar of Hair-So-Sleek. (Is Hair-So-Sleek a magic product or a Muggle product? For that matter, why couldn't she subdue her hair more or less permanently with by Charming it?) Does your perfectly straight, thick hair with lots of volume need to be subdued with Hair-So-Sleek to look beautiful for the Ball? *I* think of voluminous hair, straight, curly like Farrah Fawcett-Majors (who here is old enough to remember her?), or those tight little curls called 'kinky', as being beautiful and admired, only frizzy hair being considered a defect. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 03:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7599 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7584] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/22/00 11:46 pm (ET) > and my gen-u-wine mesquite wood wand with the eagle feather inside.... Shouldn't it be a thunderbird feather? I don't think eagles meet wizard criteria for being magical creatures. Btw, does anyone know of any magical critters that are venomous and cause earthquakes? The serpent whose venom drips onto the chained Loki, causing him to writhe in pain, which in turn agitates the lava resting above him, so that it burps up from the volcanic caldera, could marginally qualify except it doesn't have any generic name that I know of. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 04:12:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:12:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7600 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Reply To: [Yahoo! #7597] Re: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Date: 8/23/00 12:12 am (ET) > never quite grasped the concept of that institution." he would have to say something like: "marriage made sense for James and Lily because they were like two halves of one person, but it always seemed to me that marriage for everyone else was more like tying themselves together to run a three-legged race: unnatural, inefficient, and eventually very annoying." *********************** My only comment to that would be, barring a study of socrates, why would you think of your best friend in the world as only half a person. I think Sirius understands that Lily makes James happy and vice versa, and that marriage was a useful institution....but if you have never been in a soul mate type relationship, it is a hard concept to fully grasp...you can grasp it intellectually, but can you really grasp it emotionally until you've felt it yourself...then you have that "aha" moment. That's what he meant by never grasped the concept of that institution...he hadn't had that "aha" and so marriage was not something he was interested in. I know you can tell when you look at friends who are soulmates that they are meant to be together, but he just can't apply it to himself. Which is to say that I think we are agreeing on this, with minor inflections of interpretation. I do like your phrasing of the comparison to three legged race....however, the line that started this thread (see chapter 6, ASA just posted today) was spoken in the midst of a confrontation without the time for introspection necessary to come up with the 1/2 person 3 legged race thing. Plus he couldn't use James and Lily to explain his concept of marriage as he has not yet brought them up in front of Cordelia. Thanks for following the story, though...and hope noone else minds this slightly off topic discussion (although it is primarily about Sirius' mind set) Carole From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 04:16:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:16:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7601 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7598] Re: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/23/00 12:16 am (ET) >Is Hair-So-Sleek a magic product or a Muggle >product? For that matter, why couldn't she subdue >her hair more or less permanently with by Charming >it?) I fear (sorry, Ebony) that if it is a muggle product you need to look in the "Ethnic" section of hair care products to find it. Also, I think *maybe* charms on living things expire. yes I remember Farrah Fawcett - but I preferred Kate Jackson. I think bushy and the description as simply "thick" is right, and my perception of frizzy is wrong - i may have been thinking of the girl ingrade school I knew who was closest to Hermione and mentally using her picture, not the book's description. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 04:18:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7602 From: Danemead Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7599] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/23/00 12:18 am (ET) >>>>> and my gen-u-wine mesquite wood wand with the eagle feather inside.... Shouldn't it be a thunderbird feather? I don't think eagles meet wizard criteria for being magical creatures.<<<<<< Well, if H. Opal. Long Cassawary is an Amurrican Wizard, (and a Western Amurrican wizard, at that) then he probably went to an Indian Wise Man School of Magic, where Eagles are just as magic as Owls or Phoenixes. (Although an Arizonan Phoenix would work OK, too!) :-P From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:01:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: The Leads in the Film! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7603 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: The Leads in the Film! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7547] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/23/00 1:01 am (ET) <<But but... its just a publicity still. All of that comes under the category of makeup. Harry will need black hair dye and Ron needs just a shade more red in his hair. I think they're perfect. The biggest nitpick is that Harry is a tad tall and robust, and that's such a minor trivial thing. >> I don't think Harry needs blacker hair (or shall I say Dan?) The shade of black is brown, literally. Very few individuals have the perfect shade of black that would be classified as true black. He is close enough to please me! Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:10:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:10:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of kid actors, and totally off Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7604 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Speaking of kid actors, and totally off Reply To: [Yahoo! #7561] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/23/00 1:10 am (ET) Speaking of kid actors, and totally off topic, what ever happened to the kids in _Mary Poppins_? They have been a 'Where Are They Now' I have been wondering about for years. *********** If you go and visit Disney.com, you will locate a version of a singalong booklet (one of those papery type books, like we had as kids) that just came out, with the actress, Jane, reciting the whole story. It also gives a little bit of details about her. Can't recall the exact URL off the top of my head, that was the old computer. Does this help? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:15:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7605 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7573] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/23/00 1:15 am (ET) We're not sure there will be a Mirror of Erised scene. ********** There has to be, or else Jo's going to be up in arms. How else is the ending of the book supposed to make sense? He pulls the stone out of the mirror, after learning it's secret from Dumbledore. Legitimate question, I say! Grins. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:18:00 -0400 Subject: Sorry Trina! ( Erised ) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7606 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Sorry Trina! ( Erised ) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7577] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/23/00 1:18 am (ET) Did that answer as you go thing again, and your post popped up about 5 or 6 later, before mine, of course, but after I had posted. One of the problems with Yahoo. (BTW< still reading postings, not mailings. No mailings coming thru) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:25:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:25:00 -0400 Subject: I love the voice Stephen Fry uses for Dr Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7607 From: GypsyCaine Subject: I love the voice Stephen Fry uses for Dr Reply To: [Yahoo! #7592] Re: Stephen Fry Vs: Jim Dale Tapes Date: 8/23/00 1:25 am (ET) <<I love the voice Stephen Fry uses for Draco Malfoy, though -- that bored upper-class accent. Made me almost like the character. >> Does anyone else see the characters more clearly when they hear them audio-ally? (if that's a word!) I heard Draco's accent, and instantly thought to myself a picture of the body "Charlie" who played young Mordred in Excalibur (OH, no, there she goes again on that stupid movie!). Seriously, his lips appearing like a permanent sneer, that blonde hair-- it's how I picture him. (Yes, I know he's too old!) I haven't seen the movie Emerald Forest that he also starred in as the lead boy, but I will be on the lookout on cable. Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:29:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7609 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7594] Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/23/00 1:29 am (ET) oh no no no no no no no no. totally disagree. I've been a science fiction fan for years. Cheesy special effects can detract from the movie, but in this day and age, and with the backing this movie has, the special effects will be at a minimum decent. But special effects will never ever save a movie that has a ridiculous plot or bad acting. (See "Mission to Mars") What is the number one comment made by movie critics regarding SF films? Great effects, lousy plot/acting. (Godzilla 1998, Mission to Mars, Battlefield Earth (the last almost wins a prize in this department)) ***************** Just look at the plotline/etc for Highlander 2! The effects are kewl, but the writers were on crack! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:30:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:30:00 -0400 Subject: James and Lily casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7610 From: ravenclawlady Subject: James and Lily casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7563] Re: Casting for Mrs. Weasley Date: 8/23/00 1:30 am (ET) <<<Who do we cast as the images of Harry's parents as seen in the Mirror of Erised, & as voices & ghosts in later movies?>>> I remember addressing this wwwaaaaayyyy back, though I don't remember whether it was on this board. I pictured Kate Winslet as Lily and David Boreanaz (of "Buffy" and "Angel" fame) as James. At the time I'd suggested them, though, we'd "seen" James and Lily in the Mirror of Erised and the photo albums, and we'd "heard" their voices when the Dementors were around, but we hadn't yet seen and heard them at the same time. Kate is British, and could do both the mirror and the voices (and therefore, the wand-ghosts). David, however is not; at the time, I pictured someone else doing James' voice. Well, back to the drawing board (for James, anyway). Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:35:00 -0400 Subject: Do wizard folk know from three-legged ra Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7611 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Do wizard folk know from three-legged ra Reply To: [Yahoo! #7597] Re: Sirius - Pre Azkaban Date: 8/23/00 1:35 am (ET) I am not certain if you meant do wizards know three legged races? No matter what, I will answer as if this is your question. Yes! In PoA, Harry mentally remarked that Remus, Ron, and Peter all shackled together reminded him of a six-legged race. I will assume that this means yes (or at least that Harry knows of them?) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:39:00 -0400 Subject: Penny, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7612 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Penny, Date: 8/23/00 1:39 am (ET) as a test of yahoo, why not put that Warner Pic up there for the club pic? If it goes away, it's just one more glitch for yahoo engineers to engineer on! Grins. Dee From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:44:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:44:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7613 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7594] Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/23/00 1:44 am (ET) >Harry Potter has important special effects but I truly think they'll be good enough for all but the >technophiles (i.e. those friends of Brooks and mine who love to sit through the >movie not watching it but analyzing the effects.) My dear woman, whom could you possibly mean in this wide-cast net? The ones who thought the effects in Jurassic Park were grotesquely over-rated? FWIW I agree with the assessment: bad effects can spoil a movie but good effects cannot save it. Actually, I have a soft spot in my heart for the movie about the car with the license plate GEN 11, jsut as I do for successors of its ilk such as _Hook_. It had a charm all its own, but on the whole the book was indeed 'neater', not just 'better'. Conversely i avoided the movie of _The Little Prince_ as i thought that was carrying things *way* too far. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:47:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:47:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, movies... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7614 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aside, movies... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7613] Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/23/00 1:47 am (ET) <<Actually, I have a soft spot in my heart for the movie about the car with the license plate GEN 11>> Brook, were you talking about the 70's movies, that was filmed along the same lines as Phantasm (feel at least), about the black four door car that went around killing people; I believe that it was entitled "The Car". I have been wanting a copy of that movie, but not certain why. Saw it when I was six. (Dad had a thing for horror movies--if it scared you, leave the room. I did.) From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:55:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:55:00 -0400 Subject: The importance of special effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7615 From: ravenclawlady Subject: The importance of special effects Date: 8/23/00 1:55 am (ET) I'm somewhere between Ebony and Vicki in my opinion on special effects. What I'd like to see is (are?) effects that blend seamlessly into the story, and move it forward, rather than a blatant display of "Hey, look what movie making modern technology can do!" Does that make sense? Two examples that come to mind are "Forrest Gump" and "Pleasantville". I remember watching "Forrest Gump," and wondering in passing how they did a few thing, but being too caught up in the story to realize they were "special effects". I was quite surprised when it won the Academy Award for special effect, because I usually equate the term with sci fi. For "Pleasantville," I remember reading some trivia that it had a larger special effects budget than the combined budget of three much more blatant films (I've forgotten which ones). When I watched it, however, I never once thought about what steps they had to take to combine color with black and white in almost every scene. Well, enough rambling. I short, that's what I'd like to see in the HP movie(s). I want the effects to convince me that they are casting spells, or battling, or playing quidditch, etc. But I don't want them to overpower the story. Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:57:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:57:00 -0400 Subject: The importance of special effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7616 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: The importance of special effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7615] The importance of special effects Date: 8/23/00 1:57 am (ET) I have the feeling, that due to the computer work that will be needed on this film, they won't be able to release it on time, unless they are a very dedicated, late hours, work their butts off computer animation/editting/fx crew! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 05:57:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:57:00 -0400 Subject: Aside, movies... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7617 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Aside, movies... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7614] Aside, movies... Date: 8/23/00 1:57 am (ET) No, the car with the license GEN 11 was Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - and GEN 11 (which was in the book, too) was to make it feel magical, as it was like "Genie." TOTALLY different movie category - a smarmy movie that yet retained some charm, vs a horro-adventure? By the way, for no reason I can think of, i looked at the Obits page of thetimes.uk.co today totally at random, something I *never* do, and found that one of the obits was for a guy who wrote several episodes of _The Avengers_ and _The Saint_ and some other adventury things. I had just the other day been telling me new cube mate at work some Avengers trivia....Honor Blackman came before Diana Rigg, which most US-ians don't know, as those shows weren't seen here. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 06:00:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:00:00 -0400 Subject: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7618 From: brooksindy Subject: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Date: 8/23/00 2:00 am (ET) Why limit it to sleeping, that's what a friend and I want to know. I would think tickling ANY JKR universe dragon most unwise! From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 06:24:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:24:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7619 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #6841] Re: Font Date: 8/23/00 2:24 am (ET) Forgive me. I've gotta shot, "LOVE THE FONT!" I like it so much, I've changed the name of the the Xoom.com site to "The HPFG Archive." "The HPFG Index" just didn't have--what should I say--pizzaz! (Or that cute 'i' either.) I'm not an HTML expert. What may look right with my stuff may be wacko on yours. I was having a bit of trouble with the transparent background thing. smitster From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 08:15:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:15:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of kid actors, and totally Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7620 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Speaking of kid actors, and totally Reply To: [Yahoo! #7604] Speaking of kid actors, and totally off Date: 8/23/00 4:15 am (ET) The actor who played the boy, Matthew Garber, has already passed away. He contracted some weird disease in some country or something. As for the girl, I'll have to look her up in the IMDb. Her name is Karen Dotrice. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 09:02:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:02:00 -0400 Subject: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7621 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Reply To: [Yahoo! #7618] Never tickle a sleeping dragon Date: 8/23/00 5:02 am (ET) Jo said in an interview with Bloomsbury Publishing that the school motto is like the english saying: Let Sleeping Dogs Lie. It does not really have any special meaning, it's just a motto... which for some reason, was not transfered into the American editions of the books (not sure about other language editions). Nick From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 09:07:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:07:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7622 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #7619] Re: Font Date: 8/23/00 5:07 am (ET) smit wrote: >Forgive me. I've gotta shot, "LOVE THE FONT!" Is that the Lumos font? (www.broomsticks.org/font/lumos.zip - sorry, Windows users only) I love it as well. I especially like the golden snitch! (% sign if you had not worked it out) and the broomstick is not bad ($ sign). "The HPFG Archive." Much better name... now if only we could get a search routine to work on-line. Nick (test search routine is at: http://www.rainbowplay.co.uk/cgi-bin/fetch.pl - note, it does not work! From pam_scruton at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 10:45:00 2000 From: pam_scruton at yahoo.com (pam_scruton) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:45:00 -0400 Subject: Actors for HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7623 From: pam_scruton Subject: Re: Actors for HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7553] Actors for HP Date: 8/23/00 6:45 am (ET) When I started reading Harry Potter and met Minerva McGonagall for the first time my immediate reaction was that she would be a sort of Miss Jean Brodie[1] but less neurotic and more down to earth. Maggie Smith is a brilliant, brilliant actress and would be perfect in the part - but that's not to say she is the only actress who would be perfect. Judi Dench had also been rumoured - another brilliant actress. I'm not sure how I pictured Hagrid - but Robbie Coltrane works for me. Alan Rickman would be a wonderful Snape - perhaps better looking than I had imagined Snape but I have no problem with that! [1] The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie - novel by Muriel Spark, filmed a long time ago starring Maggie Smith. From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 10:46:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:46:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Strikes Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7624 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: NY Times Strikes Again Reply To: [Yahoo! #7595] NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/23/00 6:46 am (ET) "The article goes on to quote a mkting study that shows 43% of the HP books were purchased by someone over 14." Just because books are purchased by someone over the age of 14 doesn't mean they're READ by someone over 14. As the birth-13 set doesn't typically have a lot of disposable income, especially for hardcovers, they generally depend on adults to make their purchases for them. MOST children's books, in fact, are purchased by adults. Libraries alone account for about half the market for children's trade books. What surprises me is that such a high percentage of the Harry Potter books have been bought by the kids themselves. Harriet From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:43:00 -0400 Subject: Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7625 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7603] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/23/00 7:43 am (ET) Hi -- <<<I don't think Harry needs blacker hair (or shall I say Dan?) The shade of black is brown, literally. Very few individuals have the perfect shade of black that would be classified as true black. He is close enough to please me!>>> Sorry Dee -- I think Harry's jet-black hair is mentioned so many times in the books that it's important for the actor playing him to have it. Dan really doesn't, IMO, even have what I would call *dark* hair. His hair is pretty medium brown in that publicity photo. He needs some hair dye for sure. Back to Hermione -- I remember Farrah Fawcett Majors too Catlady. And, I don't think tight curls are unattractive -- I just never pictured Hermione having them. We've had alot of discussions over on the PoU list -- most people picture an adult Hermione looking quite similar to Minnie Driver. I just never saw it. I guess I'm in the minority. My own thick, bushy but straight hair does not need to be tamed on a daily basis with the stuff Hermione used for the Yule Ball. However, if I wanted to put my hair in a sleek updo, such a product would probably be needed I suspect (and/or about a billion bobby pins). Penny From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:52:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:52:00 -0400 Subject: Casting for Erised Scene Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7626 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Casting for Erised Scene Reply To: [Yahoo! #7588] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/23/00 7:52 am (ET) On that Danny Elfman thing. Naturally I didn't think that was very sharp. You don't score on it. Jim From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 11:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7627 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7624] Re: NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/23/00 7:56 am (ET) Hello -- <<<>>>"The article goes on to quote a mkting study that shows 43% of the HP books were purchased by someone over 14."<<<>>> Harriet said: <<<Just because books are purchased by someone over the age of 14 doesn't mean they're READ by someone over 14. As the birth-13 set doesn't typically have a lot of disposable income, especially for hardcovers, they generally depend on adults to make their purchases for them. MOST children's books, in fact, are purchased by adults.>>> Your points are all true Harriet, and I'm sorry I didn't make my point more clear in my original post. The study shows that 43% of the HP books sold are being purchased by someone over age 14 *FOR* someone over age 14. They are being purchased by adults FOR adults. The WSJ article doesn't really make that too clear, but I've seen that same study quoted elsewhere. You don't sell over 35 million copies of books SOLELY to children. It just doesn't happen -- it has absolutely *no* basis in reality. A number of sources have indicated that a "bestselling" children's title is considered a "bestseller" when it sells 300,000 copies. The sales figures for HP clearly, clearly show that a number of these books are being bought by adults. Mkting studies support this. The NY Times editor has his head in the sand. IMO. Penny From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 12:15:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:15:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7628 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7594] Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/23/00 8:15 am (ET) I agree that we have to be VERY "cautiously hopeful" I have learned to enter a movie theatre with NO expectations. And in the case of a favorite book made into a film, I try to think of the film as a totally different entity. The media are so different. One being internal and the other external. The special effects, in this day and age, should be excellent. It's the directors concept that we have to worry about. Not even a director's loving the book is necessarily a warrenty. Remember that awful movie of "the Lord of the Rings"? I was sorry that I ever saw it. As for the screenplay, at least JWR has input, though even that isn't a guarantee. As said above, screen plays are very different from novels. Jim From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 12:25:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:25:00 -0400 Subject: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7629 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Reply To: [Yahoo! #7621] Re: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Date: 8/23/00 8:25 am (ET) >Jo said in an interview with Bloomsbury Publishing >that the school motto is like the english >saying: Let Sleeping Dogs Lie. Which is out of Shakespeare, IIRC. > it's just a motto... which for some reason, was not >transfered into the American editions of the books (not sure about other language editions). Because the US editions do not have the artwork of the school seal - which makes it rather a puzzle that it was used on that Jeopardy show. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 13:17:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7630 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Date: 8/23/00 9:17 am (ET) Sorry this is overdue, folks. But you know, work got in the way. Don'tcha just hate when that happens? Anyway, without further ado: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch The Weasley's, Harry and Hermione have just used the portkey and arrived at the camping area, paid Mr. Roberts his fee (who is amazed at all of the goings-on) and find their designated camping spot. They pitch 2 tents which, upon entering, are quite a bit more than tents. Inside, they are as big as a 3 room flat with a bathroom and kitchen. And this is also when Mrs. Figg is mentioned - twice in this chapter. Ron, Hermione and Harry set off to get water from the tap. The sun is coming up, and they are amazed at the site. There is a "city of tents that stretched in every direction." (p. 81) They see little witches and wizards playing, African wizards, witches from Salem - witches and wizards from all over. At the Irish section, which is simply covered with shamrocks, they run into Seamus Finnigan and Dean Thomas, friends from school. At the Bulgarian section, they notice that the tents are covered with posters of Viktor Krum, the Bulgarian Quidditch superstar. During their trek, they also run into Oliver Wood, who is now playing Quidditch for the Puddlemere United reserve team, Ernie Macmillan, and Cho Chang. We're told that Harry gets quite flustered at the sight of her - indications of things to come. Once back at their campsite which is along a main thoroughfare, they see quite a number of Ministry Members who all say hello to Mr. Weasley. Here we are first introduced to Ludo Bagman and Barty Crouch. They are as different as night and day. Bagman is dressed in old Quidditch robes of yellow and black with a picture of a wasp. He seems the picture of an overgrown schoolboy. Barty Crouch, however, is impeccably dressed, and could pass for an investment banker. He is very serious and efficient. During conversation, Crouch calls Percy "Weatherby." So we realize that Percy has been overplaying his importance in the Ministry. Also discussed peripherally is the event which will take place at Hogwarts this school year. The three friends go shopping for souvenirs. Harry buys each of them a pair of Omnioculars - therefore dispelling the myth that Harry never buys anything for his friends. (Which is why Ms. Rowling wrote that particular passage I think.) Finally, the signal sounds for the beginning of the Quidditch match and this is where the chapter ends. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 13:21:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7631 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7598] Re: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/23/00 9:21 am (ET) <<Does your perfectly straight, thick hair with lots of volume need to be subdued with Hair-So-Sleek to look beautiful for the Ball? *I* think of voluminous hair, straight, curly like Farrah Fawcett-Majors (who here is old enough to remember her?), or those tight little curls called 'kinky', as being beautiful and admired, only frizzy hair being considered a defect. >> Mine does. My hair is very fine, and very very thick, and has no wave until it gets longer than my shoulders, and the only way I can get it to look sleek is to have a professional blow-dry, which then lasts about 2 days. At Hogwarts, with no beauty salon on campus, Hair So Sleek would probably be my saving grace, but just as I can't spend the time at the salon getting it blown out for more than special occasions, I couldn't do the Hair So Sleek each day. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 13:38:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:38:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7632 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Character Discussion Date: 8/23/00 9:38 am (ET) This week - Mrs. Figg, Crookshanks, Hedwig and Pigwidgeon. Mrs. Figg - is she or isn't she the witch mentioned by Dumbledore? In my opinion, most definitely. We all know now how Ms. Rowling works, and Mrs. Figg has been mentioned too often for her to be just a minor character in passing. I'm willing to bet she'll figure more prominantly in later books. The animals - there's been discussion if they are animagi. Personally, I don't think so. But I don't think they are "muggle" animals at all. Then again, I don't think my own cat is very muggle-some either, so what do I know? Crookshanks - what a neat cat. Very wise. And knowing Jo's fondness for naming conventions, I think Crookshanks is so named because of his bowleggedness. "Crooked shanks(legs)." Hedwig - I really like Hedwig and wish she had a larger part. I love her genteel behavior, especially when she displays one-upmanship where Pigwidgeon is concerned, showing him how a "proper" wizarding owl should behave. But Pigwidgeon is my absolute favorite. He is such a cute, energetic ball of fluff. Pig reminds me of a hyperactive four-year-old: "Hey, everbody look at me! Look! See what I can do? Watch me fly! Watch! Hey, hey, hey! Whee!" I always hear a furby voice in my head whenever Pigwidgeon is around. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 14:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:32:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7633 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Reply To: [Yahoo! #7630] Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Date: 8/23/00 10:32 am (ET) Hi -- I think this is a really humorous chapter. I love the comments of that old wizard who wanted to wear a muggle nightdress! LOL! <<<The three friends go shopping for souvenirs. Harry buys each of them a pair of Omnioculars - therefore dispelling the myth that Harry never buys anything for his friends. (Which is why Ms. Rowling wrote that particular passage I think.)>>> I think JKR wrote this scene as a direct result of people wondering if Harry was a cheapskate. But, I also think the omnioculars might prove useful to Harry at some point in the future (just like his Sneak-o-Scope & the knife that Sirius gave him for Xmas). A Question I could have raised in any one of the last 2 or 3 chapters: did anyone else wonder why Ron gets to bring 2 friends to the Quidditch World Cup (best seats in the house), and none of his siblings have friends with them? I suppose this might be because the other Weasleys have only wizarding friends, whereas Hermione is muggle-born and Harry is living with muggles. Seemed a bit odd for Ginny to not have a friend with her. Especially since she did not hang around with Ron, Harry & Hermione. Maybe Lee Jordan (Fred & George's friend) was otherwise there too. There's also the notion that the Weasleys have sort of adopted Harry, and maybe they didn't want to leave muggle-born Hermione out. Probably just a plot device (not cluttering up the narrative with too many characters), but I did wonder when I first read it. Ron's not getting second-hand anything in that case -- he gets to bring his 2 best friends to the match. Maybe Hermione took Mrs. Weasley's seat (she didn't go at all). Penny From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 15:07:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:07:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7634 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Reply To: [Yahoo! #7633] Re: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Date: 8/23/00 11:07 am (ET) I am so glad that everyone seems to have read the last book. Now I don't have to step on eggshells whenever mentioning Voldemorte. Incidentally, if Fudge isn't part of Voldemorte's coven, then he is just plain stupid and incompetent. Regards, Vikar25 From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 15:26:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:26:00 -0400 Subject: American DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7635 From: anglinsbees Subject: Re: American DADA teacher Reply To: [Yahoo! #7599] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/23/00 11:26 am (ET) catlady_de_los_angeles Wrote: Btw, does anyone know of any magical critters that are venomous and cause earthquakes? The serpent whose venom drips onto the chained Loki, causing him to writhe in pain, which in turn agitates the lava resting above him, so that it burps up from the volcanic caldera, could marginally qualify except it doesn't have any generic name that I know of. Ouroboros? I know that this is the earth serpent who botes his own tail, encircling the underworld. Might be the same/ similar critter. The World tree in Viking mythology is Ygddrasil, and it's roots are chewed on by a serpent, that threatens to destroy it- but I cannot for the life of me recall the name of this serpent if it comes to me I'll drop you aline. Ellen the Beekeeper and Amature Rune mistress. From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 15:31:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:31:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7636 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Re: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Reply To: [Yahoo! #7633] Re: Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Date: 8/23/00 11:31 am (ET) >>Maybe Hermione took Mrs. Weasley's seat (she didn't go at all).>> I guess that would make Mrs. W. a Quidditch widow. ;^) From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 17:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:08:00 -0400 Subject: World Serpent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7637 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: World Serpent Reply To: [Yahoo! #7635] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/23/00 1:08 pm (ET) >Ouroboros? I know that this is the earth serpent who bites his own tail, >encircling the underworld. Might be the same/ similar critter. >The World tree in Viking mythology is Ygddrasil, and its roots are chewed >on by a serpent, that threatens to destroy it- but I cannot for the life of me >recall the name of this serpent if it comes to me I'll drop you a line. The World Serpent in Norse Mythology is called Jormungandr - and it is one of Loki's offspring. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 17:09:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: The importance of special effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7638 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: The importance of special effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7615] The importance of special effects Date: 8/23/00 1:09 pm (ET) I'd like to see is (are?) effects that blend seamlessly into the story, and move it forward, rather than a blatant display of "Hey, look what movie making modern technology can do!" Does that make sense? Two examples that come to mind are "Forrest Gump" and "Pleasantville". ------------------ Yes, that would be ideal. For the effects to be perceived not as "special effects" but simply the movie, just as though it were filmed with no effects whatsoever and there really were flying brooms and hovering candles and talking, walking paintings. [I can hear half the list "you mean there aren't?"] :-) The effects effort will be huge though, simply because virtually every scene has something in it, even if its just the fat lady responding to the students "password." Your examples of those types of effects are good. I really enjoyed Pleasantville, and agree with your concept of effects in the background. We can't expect miracles, though, and I keep telling myself to not go past the "cautiously hopeful" to "wildly enthusiastic" until I see the whites of their film eyes. vicki From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 17:43:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: The importance of special effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7639 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: The importance of special effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7638] Re: The importance of special effects Date: 8/23/00 1:43 pm (ET) >From the sounds of it... they have worked out a way to get the broomsticks flying. With luck, it is blue (usually green these days) screen and fly-by-wire effect - fairly basic effects which are still quite imperssive, so long as you don't see the wires! Harry (Daniel) said today: "I went on the broomstick yesterday and flew around a big room, and that was really fun," More at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_893000/893314.stm Nick. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 17:59:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Norris Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7640 From: joywitch999 Subject: Mrs. Norris Date: 8/23/00 1:59 pm (ET) Well, I have been trying to catch up since I got back from vacation 3 days ago, and it is hopeless - I have only read about half of the 800 messages posted in the 10 days I was away! Anyway, I picked up the book Mansfield Park, by Jane Austen, at a friends house and I noticed that there is a character named Mrs. Norris. I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that JKR is a big Jane Austen fan, so I guess that this is not a coincidence, especially as Mrs. Norris is a pretty horrible woman - selfish, manipulative and penny-pinching. Has anyone noticed any other Jane Austen references in the HP books? From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:05:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Mr Dursley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7641 From: babynick34 Subject: Casting: Mr Dursley Date: 8/23/00 2:05 pm (ET) Richard Griffiths is to play the part of Mr Dursley, reports ITN. http://us.imdb.com/Name?Griffiths,+Richard+(I) You will probably know him from: Sleepy Hollow - Magistrate Samuel Philipse UK readers will also know him from: Hope & Glory - Leo Wheeldon, chief education officer (BBC TV) An interesting choice... as he's rather large in width which fits with being Dudley's father... however, I always imagined that Mr Dursley was not fat like his son - maybe I just read it wrong. Nick. From vjmerri at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:23:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7642 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7627] Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/23/00 2:23 pm (ET) By: plinsenmayer for HP clearly, clearly show that a number of these books are being bought by adults. Mkting studies support this. The NY Times editor has his head in the sand. IMO. ------------------------------------- No he doesn't. HE knows perfectly well that vast numbers of these books are being purchased and read by adults. He just doesn't care, and thus has to lie/misinform the public in order to justify the Times response. Its a combination of two things. 1) the other publishers are probably exerting pressure on the Times (and I suspect this can happen.) 2) The Times is frustrated and annoyed that HP is such a bestseller because it's not standard "novel" material and has been on the list for SO LONG and thus no other book gets there. Never mind that the numbers justify its places on the list. We can't allow it to stay. Before this started I really trusted the Times on the NY Times Best Seller list. I thought it was simply that, the best seller list. Now I understand that its a "best selling books list that we think are appropriate to consider books as long as no one stays too long or is not what we want it to be." This is probably similar to your rants on the subject, but I'm very disappointed with the NY Times and their open obvious machinations whose sole purpose is to get HP off the Times list and to keep him off. Too bad Scholastic can't charge them with discrimination, but I don't think age discrimination would stretch to fit and a place on the NY Times list isn't protected under the 14th Amendment. Actually, even if it was legally discrimination, I doubt Scholastic would actually take it to court. It would be an interesting case though. Vicki From brooksindy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:32:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7643 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7642] Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/23/00 2:32 pm (ET) >HE knows perfectly well that vast numbers of >these books are being purchased and >read by adults. He just doesn't care, and thus >has to lie/misinform the public in order to >justify the Times response. And the root cause: Literary Snobbishness. The same thing that led to the World Fantasy people changing their rules so a mere 'comic book' couldn't be nominated for the World Fantasy Award after the Sandman "Midsummer Night's Dream" issue won it. Speaking of snobbishness to an murderous extreme. Somehow or other I never really noted till it was mentioned on this list, the description of Draco's "White-Blond hair". Together with his "Pure Blood" attitude, makes him seem very Aryan, eh? From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:32:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Norris Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7644 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Mrs. Norris Reply To: [Yahoo! #7640] Mrs. Norris Date: 8/23/00 2:32 pm (ET) <<Anyway, I picked up the book Mansfield Park, by Jane Austen, at a friends house and I noticed that there is a character named Mrs. Norris.>> You are right--that can't be a coincidence. The Mrs. Norris characters share the traits of meddling and being troublesome. I never made the connection. <<Has anyone noticed any other Jane Austen references in the HP books?> No, not really. Although I suppose you could make the connection between Colin Creevey and the odious Mr. Collins. Colin's worship of Harry isn't unlike Mr. Collins' of Lady Catherine de Bourgh. :) Karin From anglinsbees at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:36:00 2000 From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (anglinsbees) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Magical Critters- Venomous/ Earthquakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7645 From: anglinsbees Subject: Magical Critters- Venomous/ Earthquakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #7635] Re: American DADA teacher Date: 8/23/00 2:36 pm (ET) I found the following entry about the World tree Yggdrasil: http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/areas/norse/ In Norse mythology, Yggdrasil ("The Terrible One's Horse"), also called the World Tree, is the giant ash tree that links and shelters all the worlds. Beneath the three roots the realms of Asgard, Jotunheim, and Niflheim are located. Three wells lie at its base: the Well of Wisdom (M'misbrunnr), guarded by Mimir; the Well of Fate (Urdarbrunnr), guarded by the Norns; and the Hvergelmir (Roaring Kettle), the source of many rivers. Four deer run across the branches of the tree and eat the buds; they represent the four winds. There are other inhabitants of the tree, such as the squirrel Ratatosk ("swift teeth"), a notorious gossip, and Vidofnir ("tree snake"), the golden cock that perches on the topmost bough. The roots are gnawed upon by Nidhogg and other serpents. On the day of Ragnarok, the fire giant Surt will set the tree on fire. Other names for the tree include: Ask Yggdrasil, Hoddmimir's Wood, Laerad and Odin's Horse. Nidhogg and the other serpents who nibble on the world tree roots may just fit the bill for you. Ellen the Beekeeper From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 18:47:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: Movie cast (but actuaaly a test) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7646 From: hert0661 Subject: Movie cast (but actuaaly a test) Date: 8/23/00 2:47 pm (ET) I see the people they picked had not been suggested for the parts! This message is to see if I can get posts by e-mail again (I have changed e-mail address). Simon From hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 19:43:00 2000 From: hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com (hagrid_rubeus) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:43:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Strikes Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7647 From: hagrid_rubeus Subject: Re: NY Times Strikes Again Reply To: [Yahoo! #7595] NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/23/00 3:43 pm (ET) I started a petition about the New York times "childrens" section on my site. I would love for everyone to come sign it to show them people, young and old, are serious about this issue. Cheers http://www.hagridshut.com From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 20:08:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:08:00 -0400 Subject: Our Cinema Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7648 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Our Cinema Harry Date: 8/23/00 4:08 pm (ET) Well I haven't seemed to have had much time lately and I just can't get caught up on the messages so I've been lurking the past few days but let me say that I may just be putting a little faith in Warner Bros. after all!! I'm really impressed w/ the choices for Harry Ron and Hermione, That is Ron exactly and w/ some green contacts that will be Harry. I think that Hermione needs a different Hairdo than this girl but -Wow! Anyway if this subject is worn out I'm sorry. I just haven't read all the messages yet..... Scott (I'm also working on a peice of Fanfic, my first and I will tell you all when I finish.) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 20:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:32:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Strikes Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7649 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: NY Times Strikes Again Reply To: [Yahoo! #7647] Re: NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/23/00 4:32 pm (ET) Hi -- http://www.hagridshut.com The above URL doesn't seem to work. Is there a typo? I'd *love* to sign your petition!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 20:42:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7650 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7642] Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/23/00 4:42 pm (ET) Hi: <<<No he doesn't. HE knows perfectly well that vast numbers of these books are being purchased and read by adults. He just doesn't care, and thus has to lie/misinform the public in order to justify the Times response.>>> That's true enough. He has his own motivations obviously for keeping the HP books from dominating the list -- some of which you elaborated. <<<Its a combination of two things. 1) the other publishers are probably exerting pressure on the Times (and I suspect this can happen.) 2) The Times is frustrated and annoyed that HP is such a bestseller because it's not standard "novel" material and has been on the list for SO LONG and thus no other book gets there. Never mind that the numbers justify its places on the list. We can't allow it to stay.>>> I think the biggest reason for their actions is pressure from other publishers. But, other books (even "childrens' books") have occupied lengthy stays on the list. "Oh the Places You'll Go" by Dr. Seuss comes to mind. I think they are worried that HP would occupy the top spots perpetually until 2004 or so. Big deal. That's fair market competition. <<<Before this started I really trusted the Times on the NY Times Best Seller list. I thought it was simply that, the best seller list. Now I understand that its a "best selling books list that we think are appropriate to consider books as long as no one stays too long or is not what we want it to be.">>> That's my position exactly. The reason I picked up the HP books in the first place was *because* of their long-standing run on the NY Times Bestseller List. I can say that unless they reverse this decision, I will *never* read that list again. I'll stick with USA Today or the Wall Street Journal or amazon from now on. <<<This is probably similar to your rants on the subject, but I'm very disappointed with the NY Times and their open obvious machinations whose sole purpose is to get HP off the Times list and to keep him off.>>> I'm pretty much like Hermione & the SPEW campaign with this issue. <g> <<<Too bad Scholastic can't charge them with discrimination, but I don't think age discrimination would stretch to fit and a place on the NY Times list isn't protected under the 14th Amendment. Actually, even if it was legally discrimination, I doubt Scholastic would actually take it to court. It would be an interesting case though.>>> Where's rainy_lilac (Suzanne)??? She had a rather lengthy discussion with the Scholastic lawyers about the Stouffer lawsuit. I might consider calling them myself on this matter. I think McGrath goofed in a big way with his comment that the HP books were a "special case" (i.e., not subject to the same rules as all other books). Suzanne --- do you remember who you spoke to in the legal dept -- I know you thought he was quite friendly & helpful. I think this is insane & Scholastic *should* call them on it. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 22:06:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Have you ever met a wizard? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7651 From: estesrandy Subject: Have you ever met a wizard? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7630] Chapter Seven - Bagman and Crouch Date: 8/23/00 6:06 pm (ET) >>The Weasley's, Harry and Hermione have just used the portkey and arrived at the camping area, paid Mr. Roberts his fee (who is amazed at all of the goings-on)<< Have you ever felt like you have met a wizard? After reading about poor Mr. Roberts, I couldn't help remembering a few times when I have had a strange feeling when meeting someone. When I was 12, I met a very nice man in a bakery who talked to me for a few minutes and had a strange presence about him. He seemed to know who I was almost, but we had never met. He wished me luck and said goodbye and my cousin asked me who that was and I didn't have the foggiest idea. The really odd part is that I was visiting my grandparents who lived 500 miles from my home when I met him. How on earth would he know me? This has happened more than once. I can't help but get premonitions about some people when I first meet them. It's like I'm seeing a rerun of a movie and I remember a character as they appear for the first time in the movie. So far I haven't met any 10 foot tall guys with shaggy beards who roll their rrrrr's. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 22:10:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Mr Dursley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7652 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Casting: Mr Dursley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7641] Casting: Mr Dursley Date: 8/23/00 6:10 pm (ET) More on the casting... For those of you who have not watched TV today... the BBC have been kind enough to provide some footage from the press conference which occured at around 17:10 BST today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/890000/video/_893437_mikelondon22_23aug_vi.ram (RealVideo Player needed - www.real.com) Nick. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 22:30:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7653 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7601] Re: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/23/00 6:30 pm (ET) By: brooksindy Date: 8/23/00 12:16 am >Is Hair-So-Sleek a magic product or a Muggle >product? For that matter, why couldn't she subdue >her hair more or less permanently with by Charming >it?) "I fear (sorry, Ebony) that if it is a muggle product you need to look in the "Ethnic" section of hair care products to find it. Also, I think *maybe* charms on living things expire." No offense taken... Hair-So-Sleek sounds exactly like something my hairdresser sister would use at the salon! <g> Actually I wondered at someone's suggestion of a perm for EW at first until I remembered that a perm straightens my hair--the kind we want for EW would make me bald as an egg. ;) I wasn't convinced by the Sleek stuff either, Brooksindy. First of all, I am almost certain that a charm *would* work. Then, too, I can't imagine Hermione's hair being all that bushy. Maybe extremely wavy or with what I call "electric curls"--hair that looks like you stuck your finger in a socket. But bushy? I know JKR says so, but I can't quite picture it. Ebony AKA AngieJ From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 22:35:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:35:00 -0400 Subject: I love the voice Stephen Fry uses fo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7654 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: I love the voice Stephen Fry uses fo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7607] I love the voice Stephen Fry uses for Dr Date: 8/23/00 6:35 pm (ET) Dee wrote: "Does anyone else see the characters more clearly when they hear them audio-ally?" YES! I am so glad I purchased this "talking books" membership. I'm about a fifth of the way through GoF and it is sheer bliss. "I heard Draco's accent, and instantly thought to myself a picture of the body "Charlie" who played young Mordred in Excalibur..." Yes, again! I actually found myself loving Dale's Draco and anticipating when he'd come up again. He does an excellent job. I picture him exactly as you described. Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:13:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's hair/teeth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7655 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Hermione's hair/teeth Reply To: [Yahoo! #7533] Re: The Leads in the Film! Date: 8/23/00 7:13 pm (ET) <<I have always imagined Hermione wearing a very serious hairdo.>> JKR regularly mentions her "bushy brown hair." Putting that aside however, I can imagine her with braids. What do you think her front teeth look like? ~Kaitlin From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:23:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:23:00 -0400 Subject: Computer games Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7656 From: davehoz Subject: Computer games Date: 8/23/00 7:23 pm (ET) Based on our recent discussions I'm thinking about doing a Harry Potter game, either a text adventure (a small one to start out) or Virtual Quidditch. I'm just not sure which is more feasible. The big problem I see with a Quidditch game is that I see no logical way of doing it without have 14 literal players participating because I can't figure how to simulate the actions of the players, especially the Seekers. How would one get the computer to "look" for the Snitch in a simulated environment? Any thoughts? From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:29:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:29:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Mr Dursley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7657 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Casting: Mr Dursley Reply To: [Yahoo! #7652] Re: Casting: Mr Dursley Date: 8/23/00 7:29 pm (ET) Liked watching that interview. . . .allow me to continue to make much of the difference between Americans and British: when I heard the three children speaking at the press conference, some part of my brain was actually surprised that they had British accents(!!) I know this makes me sound like an idiot--of course when I was reading the books it was always in the back of my mind that everyone in the story was English, but somehow the voices in my head always spoke with American accents. I can see now at least one good point of being able to listen to the books on tape. As far as putting Rosie O'Donnell in the movie goes, she is not at all right for the role of Mrs. Weasley, and anyway, they should keep the cast totally British just on general principle. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:36:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: Computer games Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7658 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Computer games Reply To: [Yahoo! #7656] Computer games Date: 8/23/00 7:36 pm (ET) If you decide on a text adventure you can count me to help out. I think this would be rather fun. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:43:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:43:00 -0400 Subject: Hermione's Hair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7659 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hermione's Hair Reply To: [Yahoo! #7653] Re: Hermione's Hair Date: 8/23/00 7:43 pm (ET) I wasn't convinced by the Sleek stuff either, Brooksindy. First of all, I am almost certain that a charm *would* work. Then, too, I can't imagine Hermione's hair being all that bushy. Maybe extremely wavy or with what I call "electric curls"--hair that looks like you stuck your finger in a socket. But bushy? I know JKR says so, but I can't quite picture it. **************** Don't know if my hair was bushy. Poodle-like, yes. Bushy though? Does "bushy" mean anything in british english that we americans are not getting the concept of? From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 01:36:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: What does the musical score mean? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7660 From: jferer Subject: What does the musical score mean? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7587] Re: Casting for Erised Scene Date: 8/23/00 9:36 pm (ET) Ebony wrote, "BTW, the #1 issue IMO is not casting or score -- although these are important -- it's special effects." The score isn't the big deal in itself, what it is is a symptom of how the producers view the movie. I hope a John Williams score does not signify an action blockbuster take on the movie. As for SFX, they matter, but I hope they're not the #1 issue, unlless you mean keeping them in proportion and not letting the movie revolve around them. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 01:42:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Expectations/spec effects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7661 From: jferer Subject: Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Reply To: [Yahoo! #7596] Re: Movie Expectations/spec effects Date: 8/23/00 9:42 pm (ET) I'm worried too, Irvin, about Columbus. There's a lot of directors I would have picked ahead of him. He is a 100% moviebiz Hollywood director who doesn't give the impression he knows what to do with material that deserves respect. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 01:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Press Conference with Dan, Emma & Rupert Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7662 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Press Conference with Dan, Emma & Rupert Date: 8/23/00 9:58 pm (ET) Hi: Thanks for the link to the bit from the press conference yesterday Nick. It was great to see them briefly and to hear each of them speak. Can any of our British members peg each of their accents? Or, can you tell us more about where they are from within the UK (from your news coverage)? The Warnerbros site doesn't have any mention of factoids about the three lucky kids. I think they will all 3 do a great job -- based on the limited amount we've seen so far. Hmmmm. . . . I was thrilled with the choice of John Williams. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 02:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7663 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Yahoo Date: 8/23/00 10:03 pm (ET) Hi: Just a brief update. I called Yahoo again this afternoon since I hadn't received any email updates about their progress. There were also 3 posts on the Paradigm listserve earlier today from people who verified what Blaise said yesterday -- noone can join the Club at this time. Our Yahoo "customer care" rep did remember me and still had the notes from our last conversation. He added the bit about people not being able to join & a note that some people are having problems posting. He said he would call the engineers again. But, he said it was a "delicate situation" and "not a good idea" for him to seem to be advocating that the problems of one particular Club be given faster attention. Whatever. I have *no* idea what *that* was all about. It seems that the Yahoo engineers are overwhelmed with Club problems & working as fast as they can. Hopefully, there will be a solution soon. I think staying in contact with them will help resolve this. I will call again late Fri afternoon if I haven't heard anything more. Seems to me that a week is enough time to fix our problems. <g> Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 02:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Hair! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7664 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Hair! Date: 8/23/00 10:14 pm (ET) No, I'm not going to burst into a chorus of "Good Morning Starshine", but I wanted to comment on the hot topic of the moment. 'Bushy', according to my trusty dictionary, means "growing thickly like a bush," which fits with Penny's idea of thick hair. However, I always pictured Hermione's hair as quite frizzy and flyaway, with a bit of kink and some 'bounce' giving it volume, probably tied back loosely into a pony tail to keep it in check [obviously, I haven't given it very much thought]. Another type of bushy hair would be the 'crash-helmet' look sported by Velma in Scooby Doo, but I can't see that working. Perhaps JKR's own hairdo is an indication of what she regards as bushy, since she sees herself in Hermione... BTW, I was amazed to see Penny responding to casting posts, given that her determination to avoid these has been second only to her crusade against the New York Times (which I support 101%). Neil From jamesf991 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 02:18:00 2000 From: jamesf991 at yahoo.com (jamesf991) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7665 From: jamesf991 Subject: Two Versions... Date: 8/23/00 10:18 pm (ET) According to the BBC web site, WB is going to shoot two versions simultaneously -- Philosopher's and Sorcerer's. Sigh. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 02:36:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: Hair - McGonagall's secret Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7666 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Hair - McGonagall's secret Date: 8/23/00 10:36 pm (ET) Several people have commented on the fact that Maggie Smith is a tad old for the part of McGonagall in the upcoming WB film, but I was wondering why we think she is too old. In PS, McGonagall is described as " a rather severe-looking woman" with her hair drawn into a tight bun, and as "a tall black-haired witch". I guess that mention of black hair makes us think she must be quite young, but my theory is that Minerva makes liberal use of the wizarding equivalent of 'Lady Grecian 2000' to create the illusion of youth. I wouldn't be surprised if to find that she was a contemporary of Albus Dumbledore and, in fact, about 60. Another possibility is that spending time as an animagus gives McGonagall's hair a sleekness and colour that it wouldn't otherwise have (or ages her body, leaving the hair untouched). We don't know too much about the physiological changes necessary in holding an animagus form, but it may affect the ageing process in some way. Neil From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 02:45:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: What does the musical score mean? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7667 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Re: What does the musical score mean? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7660] What does the musical score mean? Date: 8/23/00 10:45 pm (ET) I completly agree with Ebony, a good movie can be inhanced by special effects, but they can NEVER salvage a bad one. The soul of any book is its story as it is with movies. Well we know they have a good story and the real chalenge is bringing it to life through acting.... BTW, NEVER underestimate the power of school plays... As for the score, I picture the music as being Celtic, and understated with vocal parts to it... That is my interpretation. I think Charlotte Church is wonderful and I would love to see her involved somehow... We shall see. Scott From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 03:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: The film - cast Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7668 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The film - cast Reply To: [Yahoo! #7639] Re: The importance of special effects Date: 8/23/00 11:01 pm (ET) <<Harry (Daniel) said today: "I went on the broomstick yesterday and flew around a big room, and that was really fun," More at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_893000/893314.stm >> Thanks for posting that, Nick! For those who didn't check the above link, there are some great photos of the three children picked to play the leads. I love the one of the the three of them together, in which Rupert Grint's hair seems just about the right shade of red and Emma Watson's unbushy hair seems too blonde. I'm quite happy with these choices now that I've adjusted my own, not-very-clear-anyway mental images. I laughed at some of the quotes from the three actors, which indicate just how scarily *young* they are: "I think I'm a tiny bit like Harry because I'd like to have an owl," says Dan Radcliffe. Bless him! Not the sort of thing an adult would say is it? Can you imagine Richard Harris saying: "I think I'm a tiny bit like Dumbledore because I'd like to have a phoenix"? BTW, Richard Griffiths is a wonderful choice for Vernon Dursley. He is very corpulent and can be quite odious. He was in the recent TV adaptation of 'Ghormenghast' [sp?]. Now, all we need is a good Draco, Dudley and Petunia. Draco will be quite difficult to get right, I think. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 03:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: Special effects - yes, the film again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7669 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Special effects - yes, the film again Date: 8/23/00 11:21 pm (ET) When it comes to special effects, I agree that the film needs to strike a balance. We don't need the in-yer-face, 'hey look at this neat camera trick' technology, but we do need something more than the wobbly fibre glass and cardboard sets of 'Dr Who' fame. I'd say just enough to declare them 'effects' rather than 'special effects'. less is more... Dee, I think it was, mentioned that there might not be time to get the computerised effects ready for the film? A friend of mine used to work for Jim Henson's creature workshop. They had the task of creating the little alien creature for "Lost In Space" and decided to go for a rubber puppet, operated by levers. With the release date for the film looming, the first rushes came out and they were viewed in stunned silence: The puppet was ludicrous [I can vouch for this - I still have a copy of that video]. At the eleventh hour, they hired an SFX company to create computer effects to replace most of the scenes which featured the creature. They managed it, but had to cut out most of its appearances [you may have noticed how seldom the alien appears in the final release]. Anyway, the point of this ramble is that *anything* is possible these days with technology, but it won't rescue the film if any of the other elements are weak. Everything needs to be right. Neil From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 03:25:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: The film - cast/SFX Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7670 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: The film - cast/SFX Reply To: [Yahoo! #7668] Re: The film - cast Date: 8/23/00 11:25 pm (ET) Thanks for the link... the kids are so adorable! Even that brief interview seemed cute--none of the jaded showbiz kid attitude. May they always be so humble. I wish them the best. Even after considering all of the replies to my original post, I stand by my assertion of SFX as #1 detail. I would write more, but today was my first full day of getting my classroom prepared--I am way too tired to get my thoughts together. ******the entire club claps with glee at the thought of no more book long posts--and yawning, so does Ebony AKA AngieJ***** From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 03:42:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Mirror of Erised Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7671 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Mirror of Erised Date: 8/23/00 11:42 pm (ET) Hmmmm. I can't seem to get of the topic of the WB film at the moment. The scenes with the Mirror of Erised are so important to '..Philosopher's Stone' that I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would cut or alter them. In the US audio version Jim Dale does a wonderful job of Harry's first scene with the mirror. Particularly this bit: **** Harry was so close to the mirror now that his nose was nearly touching that of his reflection. 'Mum?' he whispered. 'Dad?' **** In the film, perhaps they will show the mirror in its full glory at the start of the scene, but then view it side on, so that we can't see what Harry is seeing. We don't need to see his family in the mirror to get the gist of it. I see Harry, in profile, staring into the mirror and speaking the line above, maybe reaching out, hesitantly, to touch the glass as he says it. One of the scenes I most want to see is the singing of the Hogwarts school song. I laugh when I think of it. They'll probably cut it, or ruin it, just to annoy me. Talking of music, John Williams doing the score? Big yawn! I wanted someone more quirky - Philip Glass, perhaps. Oh well. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 03:52:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7672 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Two Versions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7665] Two Versions... Date: 8/23/00 11:52 pm (ET) <<According to the BBC web site, WB is going to shoot two versions simultaneously -- Philosopher's and Sorcerer's.>> I read that they will be using two different titles, but surely they won't film each scene twice just for the sake of slight language differences? I wonder - will they use UK English or US English? I think I know the answer. Neil Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 04:43:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: The Granger Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7673 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: The Granger Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #7405] The Granger Interview Date: 8/24/00 12:43 am (ET) With Jim's permission, I've posted his fanfic, "The Granger Interview" with our FAQ. I highly recommend this interview with the 18-year-old Hermione. You can find it at: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/interview.html Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 04:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7674 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7663] Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 12:48 am (ET) I can only hope that when they finally fix the e-mail problem, there isn't a backlog of messages to be sent to those of us who are on the e-mail option. This could amount to several hundred messages downloading at once. This is a very odd situation with HP4GU, because I'm receiving e-mail from other Yahoo clubs with no problem. Has Lord Voldemort cursed us? From vjmerri at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 05:44:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:44:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7675 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Two Versions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7665] Two Versions... Date: 8/24/00 1:44 am (ET) By: jamesf991 According to the BBC web site, WB is going to shoot two versions simultaneously -- Philosopher's and Sorcerer's. Sigh. ------------------ Sigh indeed. Why don't they just stick with the philosopher's stone? It deserves a hatch mark in the negative zone because it shows a bad focus for the movie. That's an incredible waste of effort, even if they only do a little dubbing on one of the films. Most everyone knows at this point that its original title was the philosopher's stone. They could even have stuck in a few sentences to clear things up for "stupid americans" but to force people to film two scenes for each mention of the stone is ridiculous, and, IMO, shows a bad focus before a single strip of film has been made. vicki From smitster1 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 06:14:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:14:00 -0400 Subject: Mirror of Erised Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7676 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Mirror of Erised Reply To: [Yahoo! #7671] Mirror of Erised Date: 8/24/00 2:14 am (ET) I can't believe I'm commenting on a film post....but here goes. I wouldn't think the film could effectively show the "reflections" in the mirror since, for example, when the mirror is first introduced there were as many as three images at the same time. (That was my interpretation anyway.) I agree with a side view as well. smitster Aside: John Williams would perhaps compose interesting action scenes I'm sure, but I haven't heard anything fresh from him in a bit. I hope I read it wrong that he is doing the score. Oh well, I wasn't planning on seeing the film anyway. (For mysterious music, I'd choose Danny Elfman.) From smitster1 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 06:16:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:16:00 -0400 Subject: Mirror of Erised Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7677 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Mirror of Erised Reply To: [Yahoo! #7676] Re: Mirror of Erised Date: 8/24/00 2:16 am (ET) I suppose that since I seem to be able to recognize Elfman so easily, he's not so fresh either. But I still like his stuff. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 06:57:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:57:00 -0400 Subject: Marketing study Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7678 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Marketing study Reply To: [Yahoo! #7624] Re: NY Times Strikes Again Date: 8/24/00 2:57 am (ET) "The article goes on to quote a mkting study that shows 43% of the HP books were purchased by someone over 14." I'm not disputing or doubting this figure, but I am curious about how they researched it. When I bought my HP books at the bookstore, I didn't receive any sort of survey to fill out. I would've been happy to do so, if they had. When I ordered on-line, I suppose I may have set up a profile which included my age. But they certainly didn't ask for the ages of the intended recipients (one was for myself, the other for my 12-year-old niece). Did they survey some of the buyers? I wonder how large and how widespread their cross section was? Melanie From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 10:43:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:43:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7679 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Two Versions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7675] Re: Two Versions... Date: 8/24/00 6:43 am (ET) The official title is "The Sorcerer's Stone" and since the screenwriter is American (as far as I know anyway) it will be "Sorcerer's Stone". However, I think they will be using UK English. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 12:41:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:41:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7680 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Two Versions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7679] Re: Two Versions... Date: 8/24/00 8:41 am (ET) All I can see them doing is changing the title sequence and advertising. So for US it will be Sorcerer's Stone, and UK will be Philosopher's Stone. On the subject of different versions... I do hope the censors in the UK do not fiddle with the final result, like they so often do with films. Surely a G rating in the US is so similar to U in the UK that there should be no need to fiddle with the film. Oh well... we shall see. At least the regulator in the UK have a website where they put up details of the cuts made. Nick. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 13:14:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: Hair - McGonagall's secret Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7681 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Hair - McGonagall's secret Reply To: [Yahoo! #7666] Hair - McGonagall's secret Date: 8/24/00 9:14 am (ET) <In PS, McGonagall is described as " a rather severe-looking woman" with her hair drawn into a tight bun, and as "a tall black-haired witch". I guess that mention of black hair makes us think she must be quite young, but my theory is that Minerva makes liberal use of the wizarding equivalent of 'Lady Grecian 2000' to create the illusion of youth. I wouldn't be surprised if to find that she was a contemporary of Albus Dumbledore and, in fact, about 60.> Neil, I couldn't agree more. In fact, I always pictured her about that age. And I always assumed she was about Hagrid's age, also, and we know he is either 62 or 63. So I was perfectly thrilled with Maggie Smith as the final choice. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 13:16:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:16:00 -0400 Subject: Marketing study Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7682 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Marketing study Reply To: [Yahoo! #7678] Marketing study Date: 8/24/00 9:16 am (ET) Hi -- Melanie -- good questions about the marketing study that gets quoted so often. I know zip-zero about marketing . . . . but, I'm guessing that maybe they did survey a cross sampling of book buyers across the country. They wouldn't have hit all bookstores, even for a one-day period. That would be too cost-prohibitive. My *guess* is that they would have surveyed some large chains, some independents . . . both in large metro areas and smaller markets. Probably the survey period was relatively short -- anywhere from one day to one week would be my guess. In this age of e-commerce, it does seem it would be most cost-effective to survey (randomly) the books being purchased on-line. I also have never been asked any sort of demographic questions when I've bought HP books, and I've bought numerous copies for gifts. Then again, I never get surveyed on anything, and marketing studies (and voting polls & such) are quoted on a daily basis. One imagines they must be talking to *someone*, right? <g> Perhaps I'm being optimistic. I think I've seen the name of the firm that conducted this study in one of the news stories that quoted it. I'll try to search that out & then send them an email regarding their methodology. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 13:27:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:27:00 -0400 Subject: Hair! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7683 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Hair! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7664] Hair! Date: 8/24/00 9:27 am (ET) Hi: <<<Perhaps JKR's own hairdo is an indication of what she regards as bushy, since she sees herself in Hermione...>>> Great point. Her hair style (and color) varies quite alot though, doesn't it? I've seen it rather blond & frizzy lately, but didn't she have sleek (straight) red hair in the not so distant past? Maybe she's thinking back to her own hair style from when she was Hermione's age though. I've never seen any childhood pics of her. Just looked at the unauthorized bio of Jo -- look at the 4th & 6th photos in the black & white photo section mid-way through the book. That's what I picture when I think of "bushy" hair. There's a hint of wave & body but definitely no curl. It also closely resembles my hair when I get up in the morning. <g> <<<BTW, I was amazed to see Penny responding to casting posts, given that her determination to avoid these has been second only to her crusade against the New York Times (which I support 101%).>>> I wasn't too interested in the fantasy casting posts because I didn't know any of the names being tossed around. But, I am somewhat (mildly) interested in learning more about the 3 kids who will play the Trio. <g> Glad you support my crusade Neil. Does anyone hear read the NY Times daily? If so, let me know if my letter ever makes it into the Letters to the Editor section. I'm not sure if they would contact me to tell me it was being published or not. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 13:36:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:36:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7684 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7674] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 9:36 am (ET) Hi: <<<I can only hope that when they finally fix the e-mail problem, there isn't a backlog of messages to be sent to those of us who are on the e-mail option. This could amount to several hundred messages downloading at once.>>> Amen. I have tried repeatedly to change from emails to webview only so that I could avoid this problem. No luck. It won't let me change my settings. I can only hope, like you Danemead, that I won't have hundreds or even thousands of messages trying to download when they get this resolved. I'll mention that *when* I call them again later this week (you can tell I have zero confidence that they will actually get back in touch with me; I fully assume I'll have to continue to take the initiative & bug the hell out of them to get anything done). <<<This is a very odd situation with HP4GU, because I'm receiving e-mail from other Yahoo clubs with no problem. Has Lord Voldemort cursed us?>>>> Yes, apparently a number of Clubs are having problems, but by no means all of them. I emphasized in my conversation with our "customer care" rep (gotta love that term!) that we are a very *large* & *active* Club (i.e., please try & get us some priority treatment). Does anyone else want to consider moving to egroups in a few weeks if the problems haven't been resolved? Something I've thought of recently. Penny From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:24:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7685 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7642] Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/24/00 10:24 am (ET) I also wondered if the NYT Bestseller folks got pressure from the superstores (Borders, B&N) that typically sell NYT Best Sellers for 40% off and who are, as a result, making very little money off of the Harry Potter craze. It'll be interesting to see if these 40% off deals will extend to titles on the NYT Children's Best Seller list, too. (I doubt they will.) Harriet From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:29:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7686 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #7622] Re: Font Date: 8/24/00 10:29 am (ET) <<the Lumos font. (www.broomsticks.org/font/lumos.zip - sorry, Windows users only) Hey!!! What about the rest of us? Is there any way us poor maclings can find the same font somewhere else?? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:31:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:31:00 -0400 Subject: Update on the Delusional Stouffer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7687 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Update on the Delusional Stouffer Date: 8/24/00 10:31 am (ET) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000815/en/potter_suit_1.html Has anyone already mentioned this? Apparently Scholastic has also filed a lawsuit demanding that Stouffer stop making false statements. Things look good. From harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:31:00 2000 From: harrietmwelsch at yahoo.com (harrietmwelsch) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:31:00 -0400 Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7688 From: harrietmwelsch Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Reply To: [Yahoo! #7643] Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/24/00 10:31 am (ET) >Speaking of snobbishness to an murderous >extreme. Somehow or other I never really noted >till it was mentioned on this list, the >description of Draco's "White-Blond hair". >Together with his "Pure Blood" attitude, makes >him seem very Aryan, eh? I've noticed that as well, particularly in CoS where Draco makes so many references to "mudbloods." He sounds like a little Nazi, doesn't he? I expect JKR to deal with this whole "racial purity" notion in later volumes. Does anyone else think Draco might eventually foresake his father and come over to Harry's side? I suspect he will for two reasons: (1) JKR has foreshadowed sons going against fathers twice now; and (2) everything important seems to come in fours in the HP books but so far we just have Harry, Hermione and Ron. Who will be their fourth peer? I think it will be Draco. Harriet From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:34:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7689 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #7685] Re: Mkting Study & Adult Purchases of HP Date: 8/24/00 10:34 am (ET) Hi: <<<It'll be interesting to see if these 40% off deals will extend to titles on the NYT Children's Best Seller list, too. (I doubt they will.)>>> The recent salon.com article on this subject says that the childrens' bestsellers will be 40% off. It's one of the arguments that proponents are using to justify the decision (i.e., more titles will get the 40% off). The new childrens' list also only includes hardbacks. So, as the Wall Street Journal pointed out, the paperback CoS won't appear on any NY Times bestseller list at all, even if they sell all 4 million copies in a matter of weeks (not unless the NY Times abides by the rules they initially set up -- allowing the publishers to decide whether a book is marketed for adults, children or both). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:38:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:38:00 -0400 Subject: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7690 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Date: 8/24/00 10:38 am (ET) Hi -- When you spoke to the Scholastic legal dept to satisfy some of your curiosity about the Stouffer lawsuit (a few mths ago), who did you contact? Do you recall? I'm growing incensed enough about the NY Times issue that I might like to satisfy my curiosity by speaking with one of their lawyers, and it sounds like the guy you spoke with was very forthcoming. Thanks -- Penny From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:42:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Poll on HP Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7691 From: brooksindy Subject: CNN Poll on HP Movie Date: 8/24/00 10:42 am (ET) http://www.cnn.com/ "The planned movie about the first Harry Potter book: Will bring the magic of that book to life. Will never be able to match the author's imagination. Go and vote! Currently 434 "magic to life", 1518 "never match imagination". Ties in with link to story: Shy Daniel brings Harry Potter to life http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/23/uk.potter/index.html From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:46:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:46:00 -0400 Subject: The film - cast Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7692 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: The film - cast Reply To: [Yahoo! #7668] Re: The film - cast Date: 8/24/00 10:46 am (ET) <<Draco will be quite difficult to get right, I think.>> Has anyone in the UK done a version of The Secret Garden recently? If so, then whoever played Colin Craven (huh - wonder if Colin Creevy is a derivation from that, now that I see it written like that) would be a great choice for Draco. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:05:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: THe film cast - a one picture deal? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7693 From: heiditandy Subject: THe film cast - a one picture deal? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7692] Re: The film - cast Date: 8/24/00 11:05 am (ET) "Home Alone" director Chris Columbus said he hoped the initial film would be one in a series covering all seven planned Potter novels, and that Rowling would oversee the screenplays. "Obviously, the complexity of the books in terms of the special effects makes it a little difficult to do one of these films a year, so obviously there will be a point when the children outgrow their roles," said Columbus, who wouldn't reveal whether Daniel had been signed to a multi-picture deal. More (including pix) at http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14803-2000Aug24.html From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:11:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: Update on the Delusional Stouffer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7694 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Update on the Delusional Stouffer Reply To: [Yahoo! #7687] Update on the Delusional Stouffer Date: 8/24/00 11:11 am (ET) Here's what I understand about the chronology: 1. Nancy Stouffer sent a cease & desist letter to either Scholastic or Bloomsbury or JKR 2. Scholastic/JKR/Agents/Levine Press filed a suit in NY asking for a judge to make a Declaratory Judgement that they were not infringing on the alleged trademarks of Nancy Stouffer 3. Nancy Stouffer filed a suit for trademark infringement in Pennsylvania, where, I believe, she lives 4. Nancy Stouffer filed a Motion To Dismiss the NY suit, claiming that she had insufficient contacts with New York, and they couldn't haul her into such a remote courtroom. 4. Judge Schwartz (who I believe is NYC) rejected the Motion to Dismiss, which means that the case will be decided in NY, which, speaking as a trademark attorney who *has* lititgated in New York in the past, is very good for JKR, etc., because of some interesting cases which will make it very hard for Ms Stouffer to show that she has a trademark in the term MUGGLES or the characters of LILY POTTER and LARRY POTTER, etc., and that there's likelihood of confusion between her marks and the JKR marks. But I would LOVE to see pleadings from this case, just to satisfy my lawyer mind, so if anyone has them, please let me know! I'd cheerfully pay copying costs : ) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:25:00 -0400 Subject: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7695 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7694] Re: Update on the Delusional Stouffer Date: 8/24/00 11:25 am (ET) Hi -- Heidi -- great summary. That's my understanding also. The pleadings are available online through the PA court system (Stouffer's lawsuit that is -- the one filed in PA). E.D. of PA I believe. However, you have to pay a fee to have access to the online filings in PA. There is a case involving Laura Ingalls Wilder's estate in Missouri that I follow online (but there are no fees to access the online filings in the MO courts). I wasn't interested enough in Stouffer's lawsuit to pay the fee. Don't you practice in PA though? Your firm may have access. As for the NY action, I've made no attempt to find the pleadings on this one. It might well work like MO (free!). Let us know if you find them -- Penny From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 15:34:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7696 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Reply To: [Yahoo! #7688] Draco -- Aryan snob Date: 8/24/00 11:34 am (ET) Ooh--finally a non-movie-related topic to comment on. While I think and hope that Draco has the potential to turn out to be pretty good after all, there hasn't been much foreshadowing to that effect. I think it is more likely that Harry's "other" archnemesis at Hogwarts--Snape--turns out to be a lot better than we have seen; and anyway, it is pretty certain already that Snape is a "good" guy, and even a heroic one, risking his life to spy on the Death Eaters. Malfoy, on the other hand, may choose to follow in his father's footsteps--he already believes in the "pure blood" doctrine that seems to distinguish Voldemort and his supporters. I think I have mentioned before, though, that Malfoy's position at Hogwarts may be drastically altered now that his father is openly supporting Voldemort. In my opinion it is about equally likely that Malfoy will choose either side. I am not sure the other examples of fathers vs. sons (I assume you meant the Riddles and the Crouches?) are relevant to the Malfoy situation. Do important things necessarily come in fours in the Harry Potter World? I can think of three important examples of this at the moment. The first two, the founders of Hogwarts and the Marauders, have in common that one of the four eventually ended up betraying the other three. In the other case, the four Triwizard Champions, there were originally supposed to be three, and the addition of the fourth resulted in horrible results of which we have only seen the beginning. So maybe in actuality three is the important number here, and when things come in fours instead of threes, it often ends badly. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Subject: Columbus comment... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7697 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Columbus comment... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7674] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 12:19 pm (ET) I think he at least is thinking! In the first book, Harry discovers that there are two worlds - the dreary world of the ordinary Muggles where he's grown up, and one of magic and fantasy. Director Chris Columbus," who also directed "Home Alone," said he hoped the initial film would be one in a series covering all seven planned Potter novels, and that Rowling would oversee the screenplays. "Obviously, the complexity of the books in terms of the special effects makes it a little difficult to do one of these films a year, so obviously there will be a point when the children outgrow their roles," said Columbus, who wouldn't reveal whether Daniel had been signed to a multi-picture deal. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:22:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Elfman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7698 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Elfman Reply To: [Yahoo! #7677] Re: Mirror of Erised Date: 8/24/00 12:22 pm (ET) I too vote for Danny~ I adored the movie THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, (and BEETLEJUICE!!!) mostly due to his score! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: Two Versions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7699 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Two Versions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7679] Re: Two Versions... Date: 8/24/00 12:29 pm (ET) Special effects, languages, etc... Here's a question. On PBS here, there was a series of live-action Narnia shows, limited to one-hour episodes that lasted more than one show (so continued to another episode) per book. The special effects in there were rather interesting, esp for the novel Dawn Treader. How did they do those effects? I think they were filmed in the 80's, but haven't a clue by whom (director). Just a thought.. (BTW, production company was Wonderwork, with the logo of a balloon-rainbow) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:30:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:30:00 -0400 Subject: Hair - McGonagall's secret Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7700 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hair - McGonagall's secret Reply To: [Yahoo! #7681] Re: Hair - McGonagall's secret Date: 8/24/00 12:30 pm (ET) I always pictured her as Angela Lansbury. I know that sounds silly, but after being Disney'd by the Beauty and the Beast for so often, ...lol! From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:31:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: THe film cast - a one picture deal? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7701 From: asianpower83 Subject: Re: THe film cast - a one picture deal? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7693] THe film cast - a one picture deal? Date: 8/24/00 12:31 pm (ET) Great Article heidytandy. It's so eery how Rupert and Emma are so much like Ron and Hermione in the sense that Rupert comes from such a large family and how Emma lists School studies as a favorite hobby. I can't wait for the film! From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:32:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7702 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7684] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 12:32 pm (ET) >>>>Does anyone else want to consider moving to egroups in a few weeks if the problems haven't been resolved? Something I've thought of recently. Penny <<<< I belong to several e-groups lists, and there are good advantages to moving, painful as it might be: --They have a search engine. --They have a "threads" option so you can sort and follow a particular conversation. --They have a data file in addition to a photo file. --E-mails can be responded to by e-mail, rather than having to visit the web page. Since our dear smitster1 has saved our archives for posterity, we need not even fear the loss of those due to errors by Yahoo OR e-groups. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Hair! Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7703 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hair! Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #7683] Re: Hair! Date: 8/24/00 12:35 pm (ET) My own hair color is called "Dish-water blonde" (despite what you say Neil, lol!), and it appears that young Emma has the same coloring as myself. In one light it is the muddiest, ugliest hair color, just like the thrown out dishwater after the pots have been scrubbed, and other times the red or the blonde is picked up by the light, and stands out. Right now, it's streaked by highlighter (it looks bettr this way). I think Emma's hair fits exactly what I see as Hermione's hair, although, I think you're right. If her hair is too long, any natural soul will carry a scrunchy to tie up their hair when all those pots in potions get to boiling! (My hair is now short, due to an argument with my hair that it won, I had overdyed it blonde to rid myself of the red that appears in my profile pic! Grins. For the more natural color, see my briefcase--photo albums for my favorite photo of myself, bushy hair ponytail and all!) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:41:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:41:00 -0400 Subject: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7704 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7695] Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Date: 8/24/00 12:41 pm (ET) One more note on the chronology - I managed to track down the court's ruling, and in a footnote, it said that on August 3, 2000, the Pennsylvania court placed the case she filed in Pennsylvania in civil suspense pending a decision by the NY Court on defendant's motion to dismiss. From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 16:57:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: Hair - McGonagall's secret Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7705 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Re: Hair - McGonagall's secret Reply To: [Yahoo! #7700] Re: Hair - McGonagall's secret Date: 8/24/00 12:57 pm (ET) Angela would be great for the part. She has experience playing a witch in Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Still one of my favourite movies. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: Still Chapters & Characters Available Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7706 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Still Chapters & Characters Available Date: 8/24/00 1:01 pm (ET) Hi: There are still few chapter summary & character discussions open -- the first real hole we have is the week of 23-29 Oct -- discussion of Ch 16 & Viktor & Fleur. We're still far off from that date, but . . . any volunteers? Several of the later chapters & larger characters are still not taken -- you can view those still available at: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html Margaret (Sarvalsha) has said she'll taken Dumbledore & his chapter if noone else volunteers (she is already doing Lupin). Simon has also said he'll do HP himself if noone else wants it (Simon is writing that particular FAQ). Thanks!! Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:04:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: The Cast Is Crucial... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7707 From: heiditandy Subject: The Cast Is Crucial... Date: 8/24/00 1:04 pm (ET) http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,3504,whyharrypottermovie.html "Experts, readers, and critics agree, however, that it won't be easy for director Christopher Columbus to bring to life Harry and his wizard pals Hermione Granger (played by newcomer Emma Watson) and Ron Weasley (newcomer Rupert Grint). The details of Rowling's universe have resided in the imaginations of tens of millions of ardent fans since the books first hit British best-seller lists in 1997, points out Ann Neely, an expert in children's literature and education at Vanderbilt University. ''I think children will be very adamant about the images they've been carrying around for a few years. They are bound to disagree about what they end up looking like on the screen.'' " <my comment: what is this about "children"? WE are adamant too!> From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:18:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: toys & trivia games Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7708 From: heiditandy Subject: toys & trivia games Date: 8/24/00 1:18 pm (ET) Mattel Looks to Harry Potter to Charm Holiday 2001 Sales By ABIGAIL GOLDMAN, Times Staff Writer SCOTTSDALE, Ariz.--This holiday season is still a long way off for parents, but toy makers already are placing wagers on what games, puzzles and dolls children will be begging for come Christmas 2001. The two-word favorite? Harry Potter. At its annual pre-toy fair show, Mattel Inc. worked to build excitement and sales by offering retail toy buyers a sneak peek at the company's top-secret toys of the future, including its hotly anticipated Harry Potter products. Along with Rhode Island-based Hasbro Inc., which next year will introduce its Potter trading cards, Mattel is counting on the Harry Potter series of seven planned books to be a long-term revenue generator. That's usually a dicey proposition in the fickle toy world. But toy buyers said they are optimistic about the hit potential of anything associated with J.K. Rowling's phenomenally popular series about an orphan who learns he has wizard powers. In a darkroom expertly designed to look like Harry Potter's Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, costumed presenters debuted the Harry Potter Trivia Game, a kind of 700-question Trivial Pursuit for preteens that will arrive in stores this fall. El Segundo-based Mattel is capitalizing on its array of licenses from Warner Bros., which will release the first Harry Potter movie in the fall of 2001. Later this year, Mattel will offer Potter collectible figures--some for as much as $180--Potter puzzles and a variety of other board and card games and, for fall 2001, a levitation game. Hasbro's OddzOn division will enter the fray this fall with a Harry Potter candy called Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans. Just like in the books, the candy will come in such delectable flavors as Sardine, Black Pepper and Grass. Electronic Arts, based in Redwood City, Calif., announced last week that it won the license to create Potter computer and video games, and Hallmark said Tuesday that it will create greeting cards, wrapping paper and party supplies. And there are more odd couples planned, including the ultimate confluence of old and new: 'N Sync Uno, featuring the kids' band of the same name, and another Uno, with, of course, Harry Potter. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:19:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: More on Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7709 From: karob_7 Subject: More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 1:19 pm (ET) I just read that Fiona Shaw is to play Petunia Dursley. See http://itn.co.uk/news/20000821/entertainment/04potter.shtml I'm beginning to find these articles on Daniel, Emma, and Rupert very funny. Everyone mentions how Daniel cried when he found out he had gotten the part. Sounds just like the work of Rita Skeeter...... Karin From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:43:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7710 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7684] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 1:43 pm (ET) <<Does anyone else want to consider moving to egroups in a few weeks if the problems haven't been resolved? Something I've thought of recently.>> I'm thinking of that more and more myself. Originally, I wanted to wait until the merger (which, I believe, takes place next week). However, it's only the legal aspect that becomes official then. The "mechanical" changes won't be completed for several more months. I second the motion of moving to eGroups if it's not resolved soon. Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 17:46:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Casting; Movie Expectations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7711 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Casting; Movie Expectations Reply To: [Yahoo! #7709] More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 1:46 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I'm beginning to find these articles on Daniel, Emma, and Rupert very funny. Everyone mentions how Daniel cried when he found out he had gotten the part. Sounds just like the work of Rita Skeeter......>>> Karin -- I'd have thought so too if I hadn't heard him say it himself on the BBC press conference clip that Nick gave us the link to. <g> They're all so cute! I hope one of you Brits will enlighten us about where each of the 3 might be from within the UK. Heidi -- I agree with you -- this Vanderbilt English Prof is missing the boat by saying that only the children have firm images for what they expect of the movie (*we're* here too!). <g> Why is the HP trivia game for "pre-teens"? I hope they make one that would be fun for adults too. Someone on hpanonymous mentioned this morning that they reserved HP merchandise -- Hallmark figurines, ornaments & Dept 56 lighted houses. She never has posted back where she found all this stuff? Does anyone know? Penny (2nd casting response of the day I think) From karob_7 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 18:14:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: Casting; Movie Expectations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7712 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Casting; Movie Expectations Reply To: [Yahoo! #7711] Casting; Movie Expectations Date: 8/24/00 2:14 pm (ET) <<I'd have thought so too if I hadn't heard him say it himself on the BBC press conference clip that Nick gave us the link to. <g> >> Yes, there is that... btw, the clip was great! Thanks, Nick, for sharing that link! And no matter how much the articles sound like they were written with a Quik-Quotes-Kwill (however it's spelled--I don't remember exactly), I still keep reading them all. <g> Karin From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 18:28:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7713 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7710] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 2:28 pm (ET) I'm thinking of that more and more myself. Originally, I wanted to wait until the merger (which, I believe, takes place next week). However, it's only the legal aspect that becomes official then. The "mechanical" changes won't be completed for several more months. I second the motion of moving to eGroups if it's not resolved soon. ***************** I'm all for this. egroups can do polls as well....could we set up a tentative egroup, set up a poll and provide the link....can egroups do chats? Or maybe we shoud pose the question who would NOT like to switch to egroups...is there any advantage to staying with Yahoo? carole From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 18:36:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Columbus comment... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7714 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Columbus comment... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7697] Columbus comment... Date: 8/24/00 2:36 pm (ET) But this shows that he considers special effects to be all-important! -- Good acting and a good script are optional extras. :( I'm not thrilled about Williams doing the score either -- That means whenever Harry flies it will be _Star Wars_; when he's dodging dragons or three-headed dogs it will be _Jurassic Park_; in the Chamber of Secrets it will be _Indiana Jones_; and when he's helping Sirius and Buckbeak escape it will be _ET_... From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 18:58:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:58:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7715 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7713] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 2:58 pm (ET) I moderate three forums on EGroups and I'm all for the change. Another advantage: Their Archive section is for uploading all kinds of files, not just "Photos"... From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:22:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hair! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7716 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: Hair! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7683] Re: Hair! Date: 8/24/00 3:22 pm (ET) Penny, I read the NY Times daily and will keep an eye out. I might write a letter myself. When did you send yours??? e-mail or Snail?? Jim From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:25:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7717 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7713] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 3:25 pm (ET) <<is there any advantage to staying with Yahoo?>> Well, YAHOO is always one of the top 3-4 sites on the Internet, whereas Egroups is a little lower on the list, but as they are merging that should disapear as an advantage after a while. Also, it sounds like we'd be keeping the "club" here, just having a Founder's Message which reroutes people to the egroups site (and the poor Founders will probably have to check the club every so often to make sure nobody is getting "stuck" here) From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:27:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Two movies??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7718 From: davehoz Subject: Two movies??? Date: 8/24/00 3:27 pm (ET) >Shy Daniel brings Harry Potter to life >http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/23/uk.potter/index.html Ummm... What do they *mean* two "parallel" versions of the movie, one for UK, one for USA? Will the American version be dumbed down, with cheerleaders, and the other terrible rumors we've been hearing, all because they think we Yanks are a bunch of bubbleheads? Methinks sometime around summer 2002 the UK video mail order stores and the American PAL-to-NTSC video conversion services are going to be in the money... From generic_gypsy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:28:00 2000 From: generic_gypsy at yahoo.com (generic_gypsy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo and memberships, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7719 From: generic_gypsy Subject: Re: Yahoo and memberships, Reply To: [Yahoo! #7717] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 3:28 pm (ET) Cheering is heard as my alter-ego enters the club! Finally. I also am receiving emails with this alias. (Like you can't tell who I am, lol?) I invited myself to join, and then did so! I am familiar with Yahoo, and that is the only reason I vote for it; I am very new to egroups. I can prolly be easily swayed! Dee From generic_gypsy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:30:00 2000 From: generic_gypsy at yahoo.com (generic_gypsy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:30:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo and memberships, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7720 From: generic_gypsy Subject: Re: Yahoo and memberships, Reply To: [Yahoo! #7719] Re: Yahoo and memberships, Date: 8/24/00 3:30 pm (ET) oh, btw. A bit of outside humour. Check out the profile pic that I created last December when Yahoo refused to let my main account be anything in any club but a guest! http://profiles.yahoo.com/generic_gypsy From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:38:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:38:00 -0400 Subject: Two movies??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7721 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Re: Two movies??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7718] Two movies??? Date: 8/24/00 3:38 pm (ET) I think they are going to refer to the Philosopher's stone in one and the Sorcerer's stone in the other. Any scene that would refer to it would be shot twice. I hope the DVD version will have both. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:43:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:43:00 -0400 Subject: Electronic Arts - Why the're Licensees Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7722 From: heiditandy Subject: Electronic Arts - Why the're Licensees Date: 8/24/00 3:43 pm (ET) Read down to the bottom for the WOO HOO portions. They have **s http://www.msnbc.com/news/445295.asp Possible answer for why Time Warner gave EA the license: EA signed an exclusive deal to be the sole provider of games on AOL, which is merging with Time Warner. Newsweek talked with their president: NEWSWEEK: How did you score the Harry Potter license? MATTRICK: All of us inside the company are huge Harry Potter fans. At the core of this activity is the belief that this is probably the hottest new property that's come to the consumer space in the past decade. It's huge with kids; it's huge with adults; it's got broad gender reach; and it's a really rich world of characters and activities that lends itself perfectly to an interactive experience. The two constituencies that we had to convince that we were the best home for this were Warner Bros. and the creator of Harry Potter, J.K. Rowling. We had lots of meetings and presentations dealing with our vision of the market; how it was going to grow; the things that make EA unique relative to other companies in this space. We showed some of the technical work and creative work that we have in design to support our dot-com effort. And we had really good synergy with Warner Bros. and with Rowling about our philosophy of creating a game and our ability as a company to create something that is of higher quality and more innovative than our competitors. ***It's also a real plus that we have substantial operations in Chertsey, England. We have a campus there, and those people will be able to work with the people who are creating the movie.*** <<now, this is the WOO HOO part...>> We're going to build off of the book assets, the movie assets, and with the help of J.K. Rowling, *** create some additional depth that will reward consumers for coming to experience Potter in the interactive space. Imagine that you're interested in Hogwarts, and you want to go deeper into learning a certain set of spells than what's outlined in the book, you could. What I found really encouraging is that a lot of that has been created already by Rowling, but she hasn't had an opportunity to express it in print or in the movie format due to the time constraints associated with those media.*** <WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!> So we see tremendous possibilities to fill in the details in the Potter universe: to make characters that grow and get to do some of the fabulous experiences that are already in the book, like Quidditch, like learning about magic, like solving the mysteries that exist in that universe. That's a tremendously rich fiction, and the cool thing about the industry at this point in time is we have the fidelity to create that world, to create those characters, and make it comparable to what you see in TV and film. With that as a backdrop, we're going into preproduction of Potter: on the PC; persistent state worlds; we're looking at innovative online experiences that could be browser-based where you can download and develop a character; and we're also looking at handheld possibilities. As our industry grows, that could be GameBoy or it could be broader, with some of these new PDAs and the developments in the handheld wireless space. We're gonna take this property and build out an experience that consumers will say, "This is as legitimate as print or as movies, but I'm growing and learning and participating." That's the key thing. All our designs are going to let you participate and experience the wonder of the world, and through that participation, people will have even more of an affinity for what Harry Potter is about. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:43:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Letter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7723 From: plinsenmayer Subject: NY Times Letter Reply To: [Yahoo! #7716] Re: Hair! Date: 8/24/00 3:43 pm (ET) Hi: Jim -- I sent my letter via email on . . . Tuesday I think. I hope you do send a letter too -- actually I hope everyone does. :--) Penny From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 19:47:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: More on Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7724 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: More on Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7709] More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 3:47 pm (ET) My own little input on casting. After all the talk of casting and the discussion on Sirius Black it came to me the other night, wouldn't Colin Firth make a great Sirius? I'm talking about him as he appeared in that BBC version of "Pride and Prejudice" of several year ago. I'm not certain how he looks these days. My impression is that he's gotten rather chubby. Wasn't he also in "Shakespeare in Love"??? Just a thought Jim From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 20:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo vs egroups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7725 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Yahoo vs egroups Date: 8/24/00 4:29 pm (ET) I've concluded that egroups has better facilities, as people have said. For some reason I prefer the way the Yahoo club looks - I can't think why and it's a minor point. I would also be sad to lose my Yahoo ID. I like the fact that Yahoo lets you make up a name for yourself instead of making you have your boring old real name. But, I guess I could pretend just as well in egroups! Okay then, I'll vote to rent this place out and move up the property ladder... Neil From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:14:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7726 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Yahoo Reply To: [Yahoo! #7713] Re: Yahoo Date: 8/24/00 5:14 pm (ET) !@#$% Yahoo! I've just finished moving my office. (BTW, setting up shelving in the new one was made particularly difficult by the dud-drill I bought--don't know what possessed me to buy a drill with a "Grunnings" tag ... Anyway, I've been depending on receiving emails from the club to keep up--only the emails stopped coming about five days ago. Now I've got to plow through 300 or so online. Bother. If there's any chance of moving to Egroups NOW, I'm all for it. Mike (Who's wondering's whether there's a wizard-friendly drill company out there.) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:35:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7727 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Reply To: [Yahoo! #7696] Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Date: 8/24/00 5:35 pm (ET) >>Do important things necessarily come in fours in the Harry Potter World? I can think of three important examples of this at the moment. The first two, the founders of Hogwarts and the Marauders, have in common that one of the four eventually ended up betraying the other three. << If you think about it Neville stould up to the other 3 (Ron,Hermione, and Harry) in Book one and was rewarded for it by Dumbledore. Perhaps this is forshadowing Neville standing apart from them again in a later book. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:39:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Biting ones tongue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7728 From: hert0661 Subject: Biting ones tongue Date: 8/24/00 5:39 pm (ET) For the last few days some of my relatives have been visiting and, of course, HP came up in conversation. My Aunt has read all 4 book, my Uncle finished PS while he was here, the 12 year old finished CoS while he was here and the 10 year old is still on PS (the kids are boys and read very little). They have a 8th edition paperback of PS, which has the non-Dumbledore chap on the back cover. The youngest kept going on about how Snape had cursed the broomstick and how bad he was, etc... It took my brain actually taking notice of what I was saying to stop me from blurting out the ended of PS. They have gone now so I do not have to worry anymore! Also the talk turned to the hype surrounding the release of book 4. We came to the conclusion that it was good marketing. For other books there would be no reason for so many to own their own copy. Instead it would be more normal to lend a copy out to friends and family. But with GoF the hype basically got to the stage where the populatiton were lead to believe that they must have their persoanal copy. We also agreed that none of us wanted the movie and that it will only spoil our own interpretations of the books. Simon (Yahoo is really getting annoying now!) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:49:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: Tending the Flocks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7729 From: estesrandy Subject: Tending the Flocks Reply To: [Yahoo! #7728] Biting ones tongue Date: 8/24/00 5:49 pm (ET) >>For other books there would be no reason for so many to own their own copy. Instead it would be more normal to lend a copy out to friends and family<< We have started lending books to friends and relatives. I feel like I'm handing out Gideon's bibles. I enjoy finding out where my friends are in the books and discussing what they think about it. It's like being one of the Disciples. What a strange feeling! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:54:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7730 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7690] Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Date: 8/24/00 5:54 pm (ET) Eeeeshh... I wish I could remember his name, but I cannot. Call Scholastic and ask for their legal department. Whoever they conect you with will be the gentleman who is handling this. That is the best I can remember. He was very gracious and knowledgeable and told me quite a number of things to put this case in context. :-) This recent decision to hear the case in NYC is a victory-- Stouffer was apparently doing everything she could to delay the hearing and drag this out. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 21:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups Home Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7731 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Egroups Home Date: 8/24/00 5:58 pm (ET) Hi: The Club now has an egroups home. We can migrate over there immediately, or we can wait and see if Yahoo will clear problems up. Here's our new egroups home (Melanie -- I'll make you a co-moderator once you join): http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups Once you reach that page, there will be a notation to your left that says "Subscribe." Click on that & follow the steps. Question: Our old Yahoo message archives -- does anyone know if we can move them (copy them) over to egroups? I know we do have the xoom.com site that Smitster set up, but it would be great to somehow download them to egroups, wouldn't it? Beyond my technical proficiency to know if that's even possible. I will continue to monitor this Club for the next few months so that people who only check periodically will know that we've moved. I agree with Melanie that it may take months before the Yahoo Clubs have the egroups features. So, I think moving now makes some sense. I do have sentimentality (sniff, sniff) about this Club, but I think we'll be better off in the long-run by making the switch now. I'm also not wedded to the idea that we must move right this hot second -- but I did want to get a name & space reserved for us. For those of you not familiar with egroups, you can still approach it as a web-based view (you don't *have* to receive messages via email). You just make that selection when you subscribe. Last -- the Club description -- we have alot more space with egroups so I'm open to suggestions on revamping it. I took what we had before for the most part. I didn't exactly know where to categorize our Club -- I ended up putting it in Arts: Literature: Authors: JK Rowling. Some HP groups are under Arts: Literature: Children's Lit. I could also have put it in Arts: Lit: Fiction (or Fantasy or British Lit or several other appropriate subcategories). What to do with all these choices? <g> Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:00:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7732 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7704] Re: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Date: 8/24/00 6:00 pm (ET) I am not sure, but I think Scholastic's lawyers also recently filed demanding that Stouffer stop making untrue statements-- which she has been doing heavily on both her website and to the press. From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:02:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Two movies??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7733 From: jferer Subject: Re: Two movies??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7718] Two movies??? Date: 8/24/00 6:02 pm (ET) Davehoz wrote, "...Will the American version be dumbed down, with cheerleaders, and the other terrible rumors...." In a word, yes. Hollywood thinks, like much of the rest of the world, that Americans are coarse, vulgar, and insist on stupid entertainment. And that's what we're going to get. This is ominous beyond belief. Who wants to sign up for the "Harry Potter Movie Charter" flight next November? From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:16:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups Home Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7734 From: jferer Subject: Re: Egroups Home Reply To: [Yahoo! #7731] Egroups Home Date: 8/24/00 6:16 pm (ET) I think the Arts:Literature:Authors:JK Rowling category is the best one. we're mostly adults, so Chidren's Lit isn't the way to go, and British Lit might make peope think we're into Jane Austen or Thomas Hardy. I was going to put up a message, but I think the honor of posting Message 1 belongs to you. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: So, what is the URL for the egroup? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7735 From: GypsyCaine Subject: So, what is the URL for the egroup? Date: 8/24/00 6:20 pm (ET) And, Penny, please, get in touch, either via im or icq. Thanks! Dee From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:25:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: What does the musical score mean? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7736 From: jferer Subject: Re: What does the musical score mean? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7667] Re: What does the musical score mean? Date: 8/24/00 6:25 pm (ET) Charlotte Church could make a significant contribution. These other groups could contribute something: The Chieftains (the guardians of traditioanl Celtic music) Clannad (very atmospheric) the Battlefield Band From peeves23 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:28:00 2000 From: peeves23 at yahoo.com (peeves23) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hello. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7737 From: peeves23 Subject: Hello. Date: 8/24/00 6:28 pm (ET) Hi, there, new member here... just joined up. Some of you may know me as "Peeves_is_peeved" on fanfiction.net, possibly, although probably not. I had a great deal of trouble joining up here, so maybe this move to Egroups which I just spotted a couple of messages about would be a good idea. Anyway, hello. Peeves PS Hi, Blaise :-) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups Home Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7738 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Egroups Home Reply To: [Yahoo! #7731] Egroups Home Date: 8/24/00 6:29 pm (ET) BANGS HEAD AGAINST KEYBOARD.....OK OK OK OK I found the url, and feel like an idiot. AH-DUH!!! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:40:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: Biting one's tongue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7739 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Biting one's tongue Reply To: [Yahoo! #7728] Biting ones tongue Date: 8/24/00 6:40 pm (ET) <<The youngest kept going on about how Snape had cursed the broomstick and how bad he was, etc... It took my brain actually taking notice of what I was saying to stop me from blurting out the ended of PS.>> I know exactly what you mean, Simon! I think it was in May or June that I watched my co-worker reading the series (as it stood then) for the first time. During SS, he kept saying (with a triumphant air), "I know Snape's behind everything. It's *so* obvious!" He'd see me smirking, and say, "I'm right, aren't I?" I bit my tongue, like Simon, but did say, "Isn't he a little *too* obvious?" During CoS, he kept accusing Percy, because he was sneaking all over school, and kept popping up everywhere. I kept myself to, "Couldn't he have another reason?" I answered his "Like what?" with an enigmatic shrug. During PoA, I told him I give him a medal if he figured it out. So he started guessing everyone he could think of: "Is it Flitwick? Seamus Finnigan? That ghost professor?" No matter whom he named, I simply said maybe. I love watching someone get into the Harry Potter world, but it is hard to keep from spoiling it for them. Melanie From jferer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 22:42:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: More on Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7740 From: jferer Subject: Re: More on Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7724] Re: More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 6:42 pm (ET) Jim, speaking of "Shakespear in Love", I though Ralph Fiennes would make a good Sirius Black. I actually thought it would add something to the character in some way if they had to take a man as handsome as Fiennes and make him look like he'd just done twelve years in Azkaban. From jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 23:35:00 2000 From: jmhohman_2000 at yahoo.com (jmhohman_2000) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:35:00 -0400 Subject: More on Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7741 From: jmhohman_2000 Subject: Re: More on Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7740] Re: More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 7:35 pm (ET) Yes Ralph Fiennes would be a very good choice. Wish I had thought of him. Jim From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 23:53:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7742 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Egroups. Date: 8/24/00 7:53 pm (ET) I agree Penny must post first so I will wait....Ok this is probably a little daft but how DO you post? I can't seem to find the button. Ah, but I will miss Yahoo, the missing pictures, the messed up messages, the...well you get my drift. Please Help. Scott From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 00:23:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: Biting one's tongue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7743 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Biting one's tongue Reply To: [Yahoo! #7739] Re: Biting one's tongue Date: 8/24/00 8:23 pm (ET) Ok I'm not sure how we are going to make this transitions so I'm going to post this reply to the thread on holding your tongue while others are just starting to read to both boards.... anyway melanie posted: During SS, he kept saying (with a triumphant air), "I know Snape's behind everything. It's *so* obvious!" He'd see me smirking, and say, "I'm right, aren't I?" I bit my tongue, like Simon, but did say, "Isn't he a little *too* obvious?" ************************************ I have a couple of friends and my mom who had trouble getting into the HP books at first, and I think its because they read along and they think, well its a kids book and I can figure out this plot...Snape is the bad guy, so he must be the one who's going to get Harry in the end. I always tell them to just keep reading until the end of the first book....It wasn't until I read the end of the first book that I was hooked. Melanie also wrote: During PoA, I told him I give him a medal if he figured it out. So he started guessing everyone he could think of: "Is it Flitwick? Seamus Finnigan? That ghost professor?" No matter whom he named, I simply said maybe. I love watching someone get into the Harry Potter world, but it is hard to keep from spoiling it for them. ************************************ Try attempting to keep a 7 year old from telling his Dad that Sirius is not the bad guy, when dad (you all know him as Randy) had only gotten through 1/2 of CoS! It was all I could do to keep said son from exploding with the ending of PoA! (this was in April) Children are not great at keeping secrets, particularly when their dad is speculating constantly....it was a fun month or two. I also find I have to bite my tongue when asked "who's your favorite character" I have to make sure the person has read through PoA before telling them (its Sirius...in case anyone is new here and hasn't heard about my thing for Sirius...anyway) hope noone minds this post going to both boards...If we want to post only on one board let me know...or maybe we keep the threads seperate? carole From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 00:26:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:26:00 -0400 Subject: Egroups. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7744 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Egroups. Reply To: [Yahoo! #7742] Egroups. Date: 8/24/00 8:26 pm (ET) By: harry_potter00 Date: 8/24/00 7:53 pm I agree Penny must post first so I will wait....Ok this is probably a little daft but how DO you post? I can't seem to find the button. ********************** If you post on the site there is a menu item that says post....and BTW there are already 5 messages there...sorry Penny....thanks for setting that up. carole From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 00:30:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:30:00 -0400 Subject: Doesn't this look like house elfs? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7745 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Doesn't this look like house elfs? Date: 8/24/00 8:30 pm (ET) http://www.gifs.net/ From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 01:00:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:00:00 -0400 Subject: More on Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7746 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: More on Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #7741] Re: More on Casting Date: 8/24/00 9:00 pm (ET) Sirius Black? Hmmmm. When I read the book, I immediately thought of Willem Dafoe but since he's American, I think Rufus Sewell would be a good choice. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 01:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: Personality Testing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7747 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Personality Testing Date: 8/24/00 9:04 pm (ET) http://www.cmi-lmi.com/kingdomality.html Here's a slightly different twist to the old favorite (amazing the things that turn up in the mailbox! Grins) Go and enjoy. No idea how this would related to the sorting hat! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 01:54:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Subject: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7748 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Reply To: [Yahoo! #7732] Re: Stouffer Lawsuit Pleadings Date: 8/24/00 9:54 pm (ET) THis was part of their original filing last fall - they asked the court for an injunction to prevent her from making false statements about ownership of the term MUGGLE From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 02:23:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: WB and Licensing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7749 From: nlpnt Subject: WB and Licensing Date: 8/24/00 10:23 pm (ET) WB has been a bit persnickety about licensing lately; Revell recently had to issue it's '70 Plymouth Road Runner model kit as a "Roadrunner", and without the correct decals (which have the cartoon Road Runner), because of an advertising deal between WB and General Motors, which also includes new-product placement. So will someone have to change his screen name to Flying Vauxhall Astra? From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 02:28:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:28:00 -0400 Subject: Two movies??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7750 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Two movies??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7718] Two movies??? Date: 8/24/00 10:28 pm (ET) I think they should make one movie, and just one movie. It should probably be geared towards the UK, and I'm guessing that I (and probably all of you) will thouroughly enjoy it. I am such a fan of foriegn movies, whether they be from Germany, Norway, Japan, Australia, or even "foreign" England. I'm sorry, but I just don't see the need to make two movies. From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 04:18:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo vs egroups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7751 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Yahoo vs egroups Reply To: [Yahoo! #7725] Yahoo vs egroups Date: 8/25/00 12:18 am (ET) Neil, You can keep your handle on egroups. Just edit your profile, change you first name to "Flying" and your last name to "Ford Anglia". Voila, you're set. The only problem is that egroups will use that same handle for all of the groups you log into. I'm going to revert to the handle I use on Usenet (Hound Fan) instead of the usercode I had to use here (which was far down the list of choices when I first signed onto Yahoo). From China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 05:11:00 2000 From: China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com (China_Doll1217) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:11:00 -0400 Subject: FREE DRAWING TOMORROW Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7752 From: China_Doll1217 Subject: FREE DRAWING TOMORROW Date: 8/25/00 1:11 am (ET) Hi and thanks to all who registered at my site www.nichols2dollars.com We will be having our drawing tomorrow afternoon for the free hatching Dragon... Good luck to all 204 of you who registered from this club. If you haven't registered yet, there is still time. Its fast and its free!!! I will post the winner and notify them by email after the drawing... Thanks, Jen From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 05:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo vs egroups (IDs) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7753 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Yahoo vs egroups (IDs) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7751] Re: Yahoo vs egroups Date: 8/25/00 1:15 am (ET) <<You can keep your handle on egroups. Just edit your profile, change you first name to "Flying" and your last name to "Ford Anglia". Voila, you're set.>> Thanks Hound Fan (but which hound? Padfoot? Baskervilles? The King?). I've just realised the same thing myself. Hmmmm. I am a member of some non HP clubs on egroups and I'm not sure what the others will make of Flying Ford Anglia (or Flying Vauxhall Astra for that matter). Oh, what the hell. Neil From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 05:34:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:34:00 -0400 Subject: Test message Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7754 From: smitster1 Subject: Test message Date: 8/25/00 1:34 am (ET) This is a message to test the time stamp of Yahoo! Posted time: 12:33 AM CDT From sweetheart433 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 07:02:00 2000 From: sweetheart433 at yahoo.com (sweetheart433) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:02:00 -0400 Subject: Test message Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7755 From: sweetheart433 Subject: Re: Test message Reply To: [Yahoo! #7754] Test message Date: 8/25/00 3:02 am (ET) yah, i think that it is a little bit off!!!! From sweetheart433 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 07:04:00 2000 From: sweetheart433 at yahoo.com (sweetheart433) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:04:00 -0400 Subject: Two movies??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7756 From: sweetheart433 Subject: Re: Two movies??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #7750] Re: Two movies??? Date: 8/25/00 3:04 am (ET) i think the only thing that makes a bad sequel is a bad script, or that some of the origional actors can't return to the second movie. i can't say anything about the actors, but i know that the hp books are getting better as each new one comes out. so i don't see why a second movie would be a bad idea. From badgerskin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 13:32:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7757 From: badgerskin Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 9:32 am (ET) The question is: How did Mrs. Weasley get Harry's gold out of Gringott's? We know that Hagrid needed the key when he took Harry there; but there is no mention of Harry giving Mrs. Weasley the key, or her returning it to Harry. Does Mrs. Weasley have some "implied permission" to access Harry's gold? I just think it's another indication that Mrs. Weasley - indeed, perhaps ALL the Weasleys - have some relationship to Harry that is unknown to us at this time. Badgers' kin ( Hail Hufflepuff !! ) From badgerskin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 13:50:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7758 From: badgerskin Subject: Dumbledore Date: 8/25/00 9:50 am (ET) I'm puzzled about Dumbledore: Early on we find out that he's a great wizard and a great man. We are led to believe that Harry will be absolutely safe while at Hogwarts under his protection. He himself tells Harry that he doesn't need a cloak to be(come) invisible... ...yet, how could Dumbledore lack the sensitivity, the intuition, how could he not FEEL the presence of Voldmorte under Quirrel's purple turbin for an entire school year?!? Same for the fake Moody - it just seems like a wizard as great as Dumbledore is ought to be more able to SENSE danger when it's so close. It seems like his "greatness" is inconsistent - he is, at times, able to do, and feel and know so much...and sometimes not. This is certainly not a fatal flaw - for character or writer. Just my thoughts... Badgers' kin From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 13:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: We're Transitioning to Egroups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7759 From: plinsenmayer Subject: We're Transitioning to Egroups Date: 8/25/00 9:56 am (ET) Hi: For those of you who have missed the message buried in yesterday's posts, we are transitioning to egroups because of all the Yahoo problems of late. So far, 37 of us have made it over to the new egroups site. Here's the URL -- http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups Once there, you'll see a link to "Subscribe" on the menu bar on the left side of your screen. Hit that & follow the directions from there. You can continue to do web-based view of posts if that is your preference (you need not get flooded with emails). Gotta run for now -- hope to see more of you gradually joining us over on egroups! Penny From fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 14:34:00 2000 From: fawkesthephoenix at yahoo.com (fawkesthephoenix) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7760 From: fawkesthephoenix Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7757] Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 10:34 am (ET) Good point. It is also possible that the key was sent via Hedwig or other Owl for this purpose. It might also be assumed that Gringott's personnel would "know" if someone had permission to get into someone else's vault. After all, we aren't talking about standard Muggle Bank Customer Service. Go Gryffindor! From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 15:09:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:09:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7761 From: brooksindy Subject: Movie Date: 8/25/00 11:09 am (ET) Curiously enough, I also thought of Fienes for Sirius, before I got to the message suggesting that. In terms of music, does anybody think that Copeland's score for _The Red Pony_ would be good for Harry first getting on the broom? (If anybody else is a Mike Jittlov fan, think of the Time Machine). From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 15:59:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7762 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7757] Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 11:59 am (ET) I think Harry just gave her the key and a letter of permission, and this was just an omitted detail. After all, we never actually saw Hagrid return Harry's key to him after the first visit, but Harry obviously has it later. A more interesting question might be, who was the trustee who kept the key for Harry for ten years? Dumbledore? Did he give it to Hagrid when he sent Hagrid to fetch Harry ? From miss_weasley at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 17:58:00 2000 From: miss_weasley at yahoo.com (miss_weasley) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: Hi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7763 From: miss_weasley Subject: Hi Date: 8/25/00 1:58 pm (ET) I'm new, so just *hi* to everyone. From badgerskin at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 18:10:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: Hi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7764 From: badgerskin Subject: Re: Hi Reply To: [Yahoo! #7763] Hi Date: 8/25/00 2:10 pm (ET) see message # 7759 - we've moved. See you there! Brian From formula_quidditch at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 18:31:00 2000 From: formula_quidditch at yahoo.com (formula_quidditch) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: Stupid question I know .... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7765 From: formula_quidditch Subject: Stupid question I know .... Date: 8/25/00 2:31 pm (ET) but does anyone know of any UK Harry Potter chat rooms? From hermione77 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 18:49:00 2000 From: hermione77 at yahoo.com (hermione77) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: I'm new here....just introducing myself Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7766 From: hermione77 Subject: I'm new here....just introducing myself Date: 8/25/00 2:49 pm (ET) Hi everyone! I absolutely LOVE Harry Potter. My name is Jessica, and I'm 18. I love talking to older fans, and sharing my opinions, thoughts and questions. That is about all! Jessica From brooksindy at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 19:33:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:33:00 -0400 Subject: Contest to go to UK to meet Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7767 From: brooksindy Subject: Contest to go to UK to meet Rowling Date: 8/25/00 3:33 pm (ET) http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/08/25/peopleplaces.rowling.ap/index.html From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 20:04:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7768 From: jferer Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7757] Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 4:04 pm (ET) Welcome to the board, Badgerskin. I haven't seen you before. We have lively discussions here, and we like ideas challenging ideas. I hope you post a profile and get Messenger. A lot of us will be migrating to egroups because of persistent problems with the mechanics of this board, but if you visit regularly, you'll hear a lot about it. Now, down to business. I don't think we can infer a relationship of the Weasleys to Harry other than the close one we already know. Remember, JKR is condensing a year of Harry's life into 730+ pages (300-some-odd in the other books) She has to, and should, leave out more than she puts in. In other words, we just weren't told that Harry gave Mrs. Wealey the key, or sent an owl to Gringott's, or whatever. OTOH, this doesn't say there *isn't* such a relationship, either. The Weasleys are already the most family Harry ever had, and the most love he's experienced. This is one thing I like about Harry/Ginny: most women turn out like their mothers, and Harry could do a lot worse. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 20:59:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7769 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7768] Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 4:59 pm (ET) >>>most women turn out like their mothers Am I the only one who finds this remark to be a little offensive? I, personally, am a little bit like my mother in some ways, a little more like my father, but mostly like myself. Some people turn out to be a lot like one (or even both) of their parents; others dont. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 22:02:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Is anyone else having trouble... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7770 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Is anyone else having trouble... Date: 8/25/00 6:02 pm (ET) ...accessing eGroups? Yesterday, before I left work, I tried to sign onto eGroups to join the new list, but wasn't able to access the web site. When I got home, I signed on and joined with no problems whatsoever. Today at work, however, I tried to log in and do some "housecleaning" (moving the links and photos over, etc). But haven't been able to log in all day! Is anyone else having problems? Since I had none from home, I suspect it has to do with the server at work, but I wanted to check. Thanks, Melanie PS: If I can't log in from work, I'll move everything over the weekend. Thank you for your patience. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 23:31:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:31:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7771 From: jferer Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7769] Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/25/00 7:31 pm (ET) Joywitch, I'm the one who made that remark, so I'm the one who has to answer for it. There is old "wisdom" that says a man contemplating marriage should take a good hard look at the lady's mother first. That leaves a lot of room for individuality, however. In Harry's case, it's a positive. Most people would be lucky to join a family like the Weasleys (you could say Harry's done that already), so maybe it would be fairer to say *anyone* should look at a prospective spouse's family first. In any event, I would have to maintain there is a kernel of truth there somewhere. I'm sorry if I offended you, though. I certainly didn't mean to suggest women are Stepford clones of their mothers. From jferer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 23:45:00 2000 From: jferer at yahoo.com (jferer) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:45:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7772 From: jferer Subject: Re: Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #7758] Dumbledore Date: 8/25/00 7:45 pm (ET) In an interview, JKR said that the hardest thing she had to do was figure out what magic *couldn't do*; in other words, magic's limits. In many ways, magic doesn't seem to be a psychic skill. We haven't seen any telepathy or mind-reading, or extraordinary sensitivity to others' thoughts. Everybody seems to keep their secrets unless they are discovered in the "usual" way. A lot of students would really be in hot water with Professor McGonagall otherwise. Professor Dumbledore resorts to Veritaserum to question a wizard that has been completely revealed as an imposter. There wouldn't even be such things as Truth Serums or Foe Glasses if they weren't needed. The only character with pretensions to psychic sensitivity -- Professor Trelawney -- is the weakest talent we've seen. So it seems that what we're seeing are the limits of what magic can do, not a weakness in Dumbledore. Raising the dead is impossible, and, it seems, so is peering into other's minds. From joy0823 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 01:36:00 2000 From: joy0823 at yahoo.com (Joy0823) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7773 From: Joy0823 Subject: Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Reply To: [Yahoo! #7688] Draco -- Aryan snob Date: 8/25/00 9:36 pm (ET) Harriet wrote: (2) everything important seems to come in fours in the HP books but so far we just have Harry, Hermione and Ron. Who will be their fourth peer? I don't remember anything coming in fours... can you refresh my memory? Thanks! ~Joy~ From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 02:00:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Draco -- Aryan snob Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7774 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Reply To: [Yahoo! #7773] Re: Draco -- Aryan snob Date: 8/25/00 10:00 pm (ET) >I don't remember anything coming in fours... can you refresh my memory? Thanks! Quidditch Balls..... Prongs, Mooney, Wormtail, and Padfoot From aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 06:50:00 2000 From: aussie_pawprint at yahoo.com (aussie_pawprint) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:50:00 -0400 Subject: curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7775 From: aussie_pawprint Subject: curious Date: 8/26/00 2:50 am (ET) I know this might sound like a stupid question, but here goes:Who do you think is on the back cover of Philosophers Stone (UK version)? My friend reckons it is Quirell, but I think that person looks too nice to be Quirell. Any ideas? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 08:02:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:02:00 -0400 Subject: curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7776 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #7775] curious Date: 8/26/00 4:02 am (ET) My best guess -- Dumbledore. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 08:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 04:15:00 -0400 Subject: curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7777 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #7775] curious Date: 8/26/00 4:15 am (ET) Many many messages ago, the debate over who is the weirdo who used to be on the back of the UK paperback (the one with brown hair carrying a book; he was later given a different head with long white hair and beard and his book changed to a Putter-Outer) grew so heated that babyNick actually ASKED BLOOMSBURY!!! Who replied that the original back cover picture depicted a 'generic wizard' but that created so much confusion that it was changed to a picture of Dumbledore. Before this club's Photo Albums were broken by Yahoo, one of them included both the old and the new back cover picture, so USAns could follow the discussion. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 09:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 05:31:00 -0400 Subject: curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7778 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #7777] Re: curious Date: 8/26/00 5:31 am (ET) <<Many many messages ago, the debate over who is the weirdo who used to be on the back of the UK paperback grew so heated that babyNick actually ASKED BLOOMSBURY!!!>> Although Nick is usually the one in contact with the publishers, it was me who wrote to them about that particular quandary. They were very nice and answered quite quickly, bearing in mind that I contacted them the day before GoF was launched! I had thought it was Nicolas Flamel until that point, but that did trigger Simon into digging out a link on the real Nicolas Flamel, so it wasn't a wasted debate. I think the wizard picture was changed after about the tenth printing. Neil From voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 13:15:00 2000 From: voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter at yahoo.com (voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Subject: GET OUT!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7779 From: voldemort_will_kill_harry_potter Subject: GET OUT!! Date: 8/26/00 9:15 am (ET) LEAVE THIS CLUB BY FRI OR YOUR ID WILL BE DELETED!!!!!!!! NO JOKE!!!! JOE From anatty at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 13:43:00 2000 From: anatty at yahoo.com (anatty) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7780 From: anatty Subject: Re: curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #7775] curious Date: 8/26/00 9:43 am (ET) Hi, The person on the back of the Philosopher's Stone (UK version) is Dumbledore - notice he's holding something that looks like a cigarette lighter, this is the put-outer from the first chapter. Have a *great* day! 8^) Anat From nlpnt at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 16:05:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Subject: Our club was fouded... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7781 From: nlpnt Subject: Our club was fouded... Date: 8/26/00 12:05 pm (ET) ...December 31, 1969?! Pretty neat trick for an Internet discussion group of a book first published in 1997! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 17:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder: We've Moved to egroups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7782 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Reminder: We've Moved to egroups Date: 8/26/00 1:21 pm (ET) Hi: In case some of you missed the memo (buried in a heap of messages), we set up a new group over at egroups: http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups Eventually, this Club will be more or less frozen (inactive?). We may continue to use this Club for Sunday chats though as several people have noted that the chat function is better with Yahoo than with egroups. Once the egroups/Yahoo merger is complete, perhaps we'll have the best of all worlds. The reason we decided to move is elaborated in a message from me on Thursday evening (lots of Yahoo problems & no satisfactory answers from Yahoo). About 80 of us have migrated over to the new egroups home -- hope to see the rest of you soon. For those of you who are concerned, you can continue to do web-based view of the messages (rather than emails) if you prefer. Penny From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 17:45:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7783 From: asianpower83 Subject: HELP!!! Date: 8/26/00 1:45 pm (ET) I've subscribed to the new Egroup club, but I can't view any messages, files, anything. IS this happening to anyone else? I also found that the moderators must approve of my membership before I can do these things. Can one of you moderators PLEASE approve me? Larry From asianpower83 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 17:50:00 2000 From: asianpower83 at yahoo.com (asianpower83) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7784 From: asianpower83 Subject: HELP!!! Date: 8/26/00 1:50 pm (ET) My email is Asianpower83 at yahoo.com From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 18:25:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7785 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7771] Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/26/00 2:25 pm (ET) Thats a reasonable explanation, jferer. I withdraw my objection. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 18:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Our club was fouded... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7786 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Our club was fouded... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7781] Our club was fouded... Date: 8/26/00 2:49 pm (ET) I think it is a result of Y2K windowing. Like so: when a technical glitch or evil hacker wiped out our foundation date, that data element contained all zeroes. 000000. That did not appear as 00/00/00 because the way they dealt with /00 turning into /1900 is that they put in a little subroutine to translate numbers into dates based on the theory that the oldest date 010100 is 01/01/70, so 082630 is today. And so 000000 is less than 010100 and therefore must be 12/31/69. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Aug 26 18:51:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7787 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: HELP!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #7783] HELP!!! Date: 8/26/00 2:51 pm (ET) I didn't have any such problems when I subscribed to the new e-group. I wonder if the moderators accidentally changed a setting? From maxine450 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 01:40:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7788 From: maxine450 Subject: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Date: 8/26/00 9:40 pm (ET) Im pretty sure you guys have already discussed this before, but it was bothering me...In GoF Harry said that Voldemort could touch him without it hurting him, and then he "saw a gleam or triumph" in dumbledore's eyes...triumph? what does THAT mean?? Could Dumbledore be a spy or one of Voldemort's followers? it seems far-fetched...but it would be unexpected..what do you guys think? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 02:20:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7789 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7788] Dumbledore's odd reaction... Date: 8/26/00 10:20 pm (ET) I have been told that it is rude of me to tell newbies that just about every new person who has joined since GoF has started by asking that question, which of course the pre-existing members had also discussed starting at 12:30am of July 8 (someone is a speed reader). As far as I know, no one here thinks it means that Dumbledore is evil. Most people thinks it means that Dumbledore is aware that Voldemort has made himself vulnerable in some way. One possibility is that V said he had become mortal temporarily in order to become immortal again: if so, he can be killed during the time that he is mortal. Other possibilities have to do with Harry being able to use against V the blood-link that V created between them, or that Harry's blood full of Lily Potter's love will dissolve V away from the inside or turn him into a good person or something. Some people suggested that Dumbledore is merely momentarily triumphant that one of his predictions turned out right, and the triumph passes when he remembers the cost to Harry. An implauible but wildly obscene answer is available on message #27 of the new HPforGrownups e-group to which we have all migrated from here http://www.egroups.com/message/HPforGrownups/27 From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 05:14:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Subject: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7790 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Reply To: [Yahoo! #7730] Re: Rainy_Lilac (Question for you) Date: 8/27/00 1:14 am (ET) By: rainy_lilac Date: 8/24/00 5:54 pm victory-- Stouffer was apparently doing everything she could to delay the hearing and drag this out. The longer she drags it out the more it costs Scholastic. She's [robably counting on getting some "shut up and leave us alone" money, and then no matter how little it is she can freely say "well, Scholastic settled the case for an undisclosed figure rather than risk taking me to court." She and her attorney get something, but then she also doesn't look like a money grubbing idiot. Vicki From vjmerri at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 05:36:00 2000 From: vjmerri at yahoo.com (vjmerri) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:36:00 -0400 Subject: Our club was fouded... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7791 From: vjmerri Subject: Re: Our club was fouded... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7781] Our club was fouded... Date: 8/27/00 1:36 am (ET) By: nlpnt ...December 31, 1969?! Pretty neat trick for an Internet discussion group of a book first published in 1997! Never underestimate the power of a time turner :-) vicki From hochman_1999 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 12:58:00 2000 From: hochman_1999 at yahoo.com (hochman_1999) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7792 From: hochman_1999 Subject: Re: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7788] Dumbledore's odd reaction... Date: 8/27/00 8:58 am (ET) I don't think Dumbledore is a spy, I think that Voldemort is going to experience reactions similar to Harry's reactions to Voldemort through his scar. I am not sure, of course, but this could provide some interesting interplay between Harry and Voldemort in upcoming books. Another possibility is that As Harry gained some of Voldemort's abilities maybe Voldemort has inadverently gained some Harry's qualities which will cause a conflict within him in the future From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 15:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder: We've moved Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7793 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Reminder: We've moved Date: 8/27/00 11:47 am (ET) Hi -- The Club has largely migrated over to egroups because of unexplained & unresolved Yahoo problems. You can now find us at: http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups We may use the Yahoo chat room for awhile longer though as we understand that the egroups chat feature may not be as good as the Yahoo function. There are emails from me each starting with Thurs of last week explaining the reasons for our move to egroups in more detail. Penny From amethyest_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 27 19:12:00 2000 From: amethyest_2000 at yahoo.com (amethyest_2000) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Visit this HP site Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7794 From: amethyest_2000 Subject: Visit this HP site Date: 8/27/00 3:12 pm (ET) http://homestead.com/harrypottermaniahp/home.html It rocks!!! From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 01:50:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:50:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7795 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Reply To: [Yahoo! #7792] Re: Dumbledore's odd reaction... Date: 8/27/00 9:50 pm (ET) <Another possibility is that As Harry gained some of Voldemort's abilities maybe Voldemort has inadverently gained some Harry's qualities which will cause a conflict within him in the future> That's it! The Big V's downfall will come about because he has to go through adolescence again! <|~8^} Hound (as in grey) Fan From potterpotty at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 04:33:00 2000 From: potterpotty at yahoo.com (potterpotty) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: Ravenclaw Resident Ghost Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7796 From: potterpotty Subject: Ravenclaw Resident Ghost Date: 8/28/00 12:33 am (ET) I read in one of the websites that the Ravenclaw ghost is "The Grey Lady". I don't believe this is mentioned in any of the books ? Can anyone shed any light on this ? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 12:59:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:59:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egroups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7797 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egroups Date: 8/28/00 8:59 am (ET) Hi -- Just another daily reminder -- the group has apparated to egroups due to unresolved Yahoo problems: http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups Hope to see you there -- Penny From clairy16 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 20:52:00 2000 From: clairy16 at yahoo.com (clairy16) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: a simple question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7798 From: clairy16 Subject: a simple question Date: 8/28/00 4:52 pm (ET) I'm bewildered about something that happended in the fourth harry potter book. when Harry and Voldemort's wands stuck together and voldemort's wand was forced to bring back the shadows of the people he killed in reverse order, first Cedric came out, then the old man, then bertha, then harry's father, then harry's mother...isn't there something wrong with that order? didn't voldemort kill harry's father first? ,therefore Lily Potter should have came out before james Potter?...did Ms. Rowling simply make a mistake or do any of you members have a better explanation...reply! - Claire From gailw73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 21:11:00 2000 From: gailw73 at yahoo.com (gailw73) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: james exiting wand before h's mum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7799 From: gailw73 Subject: Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Reply To: [Yahoo! #7798] a simple question Date: 8/28/00 5:11 pm (ET) i noticed that too, but then James immediately told Harry, Your mother wanted to come but ... (i forget what follows)and then he tells H what's going to happen and what to do next. IMHO,I think James came first because H was sort of used to him already, as Prongs his patronis thingy, and H would be able to listen to him. whereas, if his mother came out first, i think Harry would be too emotional to take in the important instructions about breaking the connection and running while the spirits were still confusing V. From angela_burgess at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 22:51:00 2000 From: angela_burgess at yahoo.com (angela_burgess) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: james exiting wand before h's mum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7800 From: angela_burgess Subject: Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Reply To: [Yahoo! #7799] Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Date: 8/28/00 6:51 pm (ET) That makes sense, but I'm pretty sure Lily was the one who told Harry what to do. I'm sure there was a reason though, that James came before Lily. I like the idea that it was because Harry was used to James so he had a few moments to "prepare" himself before seeing Lily. Someone else on another message board said that maybe Voldy used another curse on James, so maybe he didn't die right away. What do y'all think? From kay_seg at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 08:37:00 2000 From: kay_seg at yahoo.com (kay_seg) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 04:37:00 -0400 Subject: funniest part Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7801 From: kay_seg Subject: funniest part Date: 8/29/00 4:37 am (ET) what do you think is the funniest part? well for me its the part when gryffindr was playing against ravenclaw and when harry was about to catch the snitch and saw 3 dementors and it turned out that the dementors were malfoy, crabbe, goyle ans slythern's captain(4got his name). i just couldn't stop laughin:) From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 18:34:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7802 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Reply To: [Yahoo! #7351] Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Date: 8/29/00 2:34 pm (ET) Been off line for awhile.Motorola is one of our biggest competitors.So I know you are firmiliar with Lucent. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 18:57:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7803 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Reply To: [Yahoo! #7468] Re: Off Topic: Which Electronics Company Date: 8/29/00 2:57 pm (ET) Oh Yeah?!!! Which one? I'm in Ohio. Word is we've been sold, but naturally we are always the last to know! From Scooby_Doo_046 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 19:39:00 2000 From: Scooby_Doo_046 at yahoo.com (Scooby_Doo_046) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:39:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7804 From: Scooby_Doo_046 Subject: Re: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Reply To: [Yahoo! #7797] Reminder -- We've Apparated to egroups Date: 8/29/00 3:39 pm (ET) Just an interesting fact for the founders... Yahoo and eGroups are merging near the end of this year, eGroups will be morphed with Y! Clubs in the process... Here's a club where you can get more info on this... eGroups Merger Issues: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/egroupsmergerissues You can run, but you'll never escape Yahoo! *LOL* From jayana at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 20:35:00 2000 From: jayana at yahoo.com (Jayana) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7805 From: Jayana Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Reply To: [Yahoo! #7769] Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/29/00 4:35 pm (ET) I agree, I'm not anything like my mother, BUT in general, this is true. :-) From jayana at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 20:54:00 2000 From: jayana at yahoo.com (Jayana) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: james exiting wand before h's mum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7806 From: Jayana Subject: Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Reply To: [Yahoo! #7799] Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Date: 8/29/00 4:54 pm (ET) We also don't know for certain that Voldemort killed Lily first; Harry only remembers his father telling her that he'll try to stall him (or something like that) in PoA. In reality, Voldemort may not have taken James as the bait, killed Lily first instead, then James as he was leaving and then Harry. And smashed the house before all that because the Avada Karada (or whatever) curse doesn't really do anything except kill someone; no big explosions or anything. From hermoine6732 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 23:52:00 2000 From: hermoine6732 at yahoo.com (hermoine6732) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: join my new club please Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7807 From: hermoine6732 Subject: join my new club please Date: 8/29/00 7:52 pm (ET) Would somebody please join my new awesome harry potter club. The address is clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/hogwartsforfirstyears From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 02:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7808 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Reply To: [Yahoo! #7804] Re: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Date: 8/29/00 10:51 pm (ET) Hi: Scooby Do wrote: <<<Just an interesting fact for the founders... Yahoo and eGroups are merging near the end of this year, eGroups will be morphed with Y! Clubs in the process...>>> We're well aware of the pending merger. Our decision to move over to egroups at this time rather than wait for the operations of Yahoo & egroups to blend was motivated by rather troublesome Yahoo problems (which are as yet unresolved despite 2 long distance calls to Yahoo). The precise reasons for the move are discussed in more detail in messages from me beginning on Aug 24th. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 02:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder: Club has Moved Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7809 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Reminder: Club has Moved Date: 8/29/00 10:53 pm (ET) Hi: Just another reminder for those who missed the memos -- we've moved to egroups: http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 05:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:13:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Weasley and Being Like Mother Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7810 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Mrs. Weasley and Being Like Mother Reply To: [Yahoo! #7805] Re: Mrs. Weasley and Harry's gold Date: 8/30/00 1:13 am (ET) > I agree, I'm not anything like my mother, BUT in general, this is true. :-) I became more liked my mother as I aged. I never looked like her when I was a child with long brown hair and looked my like father, and she had short curly black hair. Then when I was 22, I had my hair cut short, which made it curl up, and the first time I accidentally saw myself in a mirror, I thought it was her. After another five years or so, I noticed that I was saying to my cats things I could remember her saying to me, like "Hey! Don't do that! Be nice to your poor old mommy who loves you!" Then when I was 30, I came down with migraine. All through my childhood, when she would lie in bed in a darkened room with an ice pack on her head, moaning, I thought she was a hypochondriac. When it happened to me, I felt very guilty about having misjudged her that way.. From China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 18:29:00 2000 From: China_Doll1217 at yahoo.com (China_Doll1217) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Congratulatons to our WINNER!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7811 From: China_Doll1217 Subject: Congratulatons to our WINNER!!! Date: 8/30/00 2:29 pm (ET) Congratulations to tobias131001 at yahoo.com for winning "Hatching Dragon" in our first online drawing, and Thank You to all who visited my site and registered. If you haven't registered yet, you still have time before our next drawing. It's FREE. And while you're there, don't forget to check out our merchandise that Harry Potter fans are getting all over the country! Our next drawing will be in September and the prize will be a GIFT CERTIFICATE so you can pick your own prize!!! We have Unicorns, Owls, Wizards, and lots of other great items to choose from! (Not affiliated with J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter or Scholastic books in any way) Go to www.nichols2dollars.com to see what all the rage is today!!! Don't forget it's FREE to register... From angela_burgess at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 22:24:00 2000 From: angela_burgess at yahoo.com (angela_burgess) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: james exiting wand before h's mum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7812 From: angela_burgess Subject: Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Reply To: [Yahoo! #7806] Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Date: 8/30/00 6:24 pm (ET) No, I used to think that too, but in Book 1 and in Book 4, Voldemort says that he killed James first. In S/P's S, it's on page 294: "Yes, boy, your parents were brave...I killed your father first, and he put up a courageous fight". In GoF, I can't remember where it says it. But my idea is that Voldy at least thinks he killed James first, but because he used a different spell, he didn't actually die first. From spicoli323 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 22:51:00 2000 From: spicoli323 at yahoo.com (spicoli323) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: james exiting wand before h's mum Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7813 From: spicoli323 Subject: Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Reply To: [Yahoo! #7812] Re: james exiting wand before h's mum Date: 8/30/00 6:51 pm (ET) According to this explanation, though, even if James died after Lily, the spell to kill him would have been cast before the one that killed Lily. And as far as the Priori Incantatem effect goes, it is the *spells* that are regurgitated in reverse order. So the spell last cast would manifest itself first, meaning that Lily would come back before James. So, there must be some explanation other than the order of the Potters' deaths for James coming back first. I think we'll have to wait another book or two to find out what that reason is, exactly. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 03:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:08:00 -0400 Subject: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C7814 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Reply To: [Yahoo! #7808] Re: Reminder -- We've Apparated to egrou Date: 8/30/00 11:08 pm (ET) When Egroups and onelist merged, the result combined most of the best features of theeach, adn few of the worst. We hope that the Yahoo/Egroups merger will have the same benefit.