From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 00:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:07:00 -0400 Subject: Something to keep you all occupied Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3108 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Something to keep you all occupied Reply To: [Yahoo! #3106] Something to keep you all occupied Date: 6/30/00 8:07 pm (ET) "A small clue for now, number nine (people) has a hyphen in the middle - DO NOT MOVE LETTER ACROSS THIS, unless you want to make it very difficult!" More difficult than it appears to be? Impossible! Neil From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 00:15:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:15:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3109 From: brp13 Subject: Re: book 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3104] Re: book 4 Date: 6/30/00 8:15 pm (ET) Well, what if it was the employer who did it? It is a pretty good coincidence. However, it would allow for some publicity to the store and they might attract business. There are some who would be desporate enought to buy the book early. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 00:22:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross meeting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3110 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: King's Cross meeting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3107] Re: King's Cross meeting Date: 6/30/00 8:22 pm (ET) "If *I* were going, I would not be a head taller. At just five feet tall, I've worked with 8 yo kids as tall or taller than myself." Sorry about the 'heightist remark'... If you were there I'd let you stand on my shoulders :) Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 00:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: who is Puja Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3111 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: who is Puja Reply To: [Yahoo! #3093] Re: who is Puja Date: 6/30/00 8:44 pm (ET) > Puja? > Catlady is either teasing us wickedly with this false information, or has picked up the name Puja from some fanfic somewhere and forgotten it wasn't real. Catlady has not been reading Book IV and didn't make up the name Puja. She has been leafing through the books trying to find where she saw it -- maybe it was fanfic as you suggest, or a dream. Btw, I don't remember where I picked up "Poppy" as Madam Pomfrey's first, altho' the fanfic writers seem to have picked up too. While reading Book III, I thought I saw McGonagall address Pomfrey as "Poppy", but when I looked again at the same sentence, it said "Pomfrey". While I was reading this list last night, I was called away to take the kitten to the veterinary emergency room. He died in hospital this afternoon. I'm sure whether Joyce knows yet -- if/when she does, I'm worried whether she has/will drive off while crying an ocean and thus get into some terrible accident. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 00:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: Cover art (was: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3112 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Cover art (was: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3097] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 6/30/00 8:56 pm (ET) >It is so different than the first three covers. > It looks like a compilation of characters. The > other problem is that people were arguing who > the two men were standing behind Harry (who > doesn't look like any of her other Harrys) My thought on this ugly cover: it is either four people or one four-headed person. The person in front must be Harry, altho' it looks more like photos of my late mother as a teen-ager. The dark-haired person on my left, previously described as 'a shifty-looking man' is probably supposed to be Ron and the person on my right, previously described as a man but looking very feminine to me, with smooth, flat, straight hair, is probably supposed to be Hermione. Are you guys sure that art is by Mary Grandpre? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 01:20:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting (was:Book III Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3113 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sorting (was:Book III Reply To: [Yahoo! #3099] Book III Date: 6/30/00 9:20 pm (ET) > Will our not-so-evil Slytherin Chic get a hold of the fourth book in enough time? I can't believe that *all* Slytherins are evil. You might not be a Slytherin: I don't believe the Jung-Meyer-Briggs-Keirsey personality types predict which house. I previously mentioned that ten or fifteen years ago, I did the Meyer-Brigg thing with a group of friends, and I read the descriptions of all the types (which were not the same as on http://www.keirsey.com/cgi-bin/newkts.cgi ) and when I read ENFP, I shouted: "That is an absolute portrait of Rosalyn!" (a friend of mine who very suddenly dropped dead at age 38 a couple of years ago) Then I thought about it a while longer and realized that it was also an adequate picture of Terry (a man at my job at that time). The description -- I must paraphrase -- said that to ENFP,relating with other people is the breath of life (or, if they were fish, it would be the water they swim in). Anywhere they go where there are people, such as standing in line, they get into conversation with people and usually leave having made a new friend, with whom they keep in touch for years, not out of duty or networking as career strategy, but simply because keeping in touch with friends is fun. They talk a lot, and are very good at making all the stories they tell be funny, but they also listen a lot, with the result that they know all the gossip there is. They are never on time for anything -- couldn't be punctual if their lives depended on it -- and usually don't even start working on an assignment until the deadline has arrived. Roz fit this portrait and was an obvious GRYFFINDOR. Terry fit this portrait and may well have been a SLYTHERIN. Both had innumerable friends, whom Roz viewed as people for her to protect and Terry viewed as people he could make use of. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 01:24:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3114 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: book 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3104] Re: book 4 Date: 6/30/00 9:24 pm (ET) > Oh, and dad's comment about selling it for a "ridiculous amount" is in itself ridiculous. In 8 days everyone will have it. It's collectors who are ridiculous, not that dad. The Sacajawea dollar (what is its nickname? 'squaw dollar' would be totally politically incorrect!)is an example. Ten of them got out a month before the mint released them -- they had gotten into a bin of quarters. And collectors paid a pretty penny for those ten, even tho' thousands more would flood the market in a month. Their high value must depend on having a certificate travel with them, vouching that this is coin that was released early. I wondered what if some collector sold the certificate with a different copy of the coin and then revealed what he had done? From rainbow_smileys at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 01:33:00 2000 From: rainbow_smileys at yahoo.com (rainbow_smileys) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3115 From: rainbow_smileys Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3094] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 6/30/00 9:33 pm (ET) That's really not very fair. I wanted to be the first person in the world to finish that book. But how do you think Rowling feels? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 01:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: Temperment. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3116 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Temperment. Date: 6/30/00 9:36 pm (ET) So, once you have the results, what do you do with them? Your Temperament is Idealist : NF Your variant temperament is Champion : ENFP ?? Dee From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 01:42:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: Temperment. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3117 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Temperment. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3116] Temperment. Date: 6/30/00 9:42 pm (ET) > So, once you have the results, what do you do with them? In Message 3025, Penny posted that Message 1435 was where Melanie posted the three ways people had devised to match Temperaments to Houses. I have been trying to add the URL from Message 3025 to this club's Links, but it keeps telling me that I timed out. I not only have doubts whether Temperaments do match to Houses, but about that Keirsey site's analysis of the temperaments. He (she?) apparently is going by the middle two letters, while my previous source went by the first letter plus the second letter for J's or plus the third letter for P's. Thus its INFJ and INTJ were quite similar. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 02:17:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross meeting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3118 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: King's Cross meeting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3110] Re: King's Cross meeting Date: 6/30/00 10:17 pm (ET) I've developed quite a thick skin in regards to height, although I contend tall people wouldn't be tall were there not vertically challenged folks with whom to be compared. And I still haven't forgiven Randy Newman for his song "Short People (Got No Reason to Live)" which was out many years ago. <g> And number 9 of the people anagrams isn't *quite* as difficult as you may think. Just give it a go. Trina, who has spent all evening doing the anagrams From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 02:56:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: Let's kidnap Laura and take the book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3119 From: joywitch999 Subject: Let's kidnap Laura and take the book! Date: 6/30/00 10:56 pm (ET) Anyone know where she lives? Or what bookstore "accidently" sold the book to her? Maybe they would "accidently" sell one to me, too. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 03:03:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: who is Puja Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3120 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: who is Puja Reply To: [Yahoo! #3111] Re: who is Puja Date: 6/30/00 11:03 pm (ET) I have read the first 3 books a kazillion times and there is no one named Puja Patil. Parvati's twin is never mentioned again after the sorting in Book 1. I would bet my new copy of Goblet of Fire which I will purchase at 12:01 next Friday night on it. However, Madam Pomfrey's first name is definitely Poppy. McGonagall calls her that towards the beginning of PoA, when Harry and Hermione first get to Hogwarts and are in McGonagall's office. Page 89 of the Scholastic edition: "It was a dementor, Poppy." From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 03:03:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Let's kidnap Laura and take the book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3121 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Let's kidnap Laura and take the book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3119] Let's kidnap Laura and take the book! Date: 6/30/00 11:03 pm (ET) ROTFLMAO, joywitch! I thought Laura was just a tad too smug, myself. Trina From houston425 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 03:26:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Cover art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3122 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Cover art Reply To: [Yahoo! #3112] Re: Cover art (was: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 6/30/00 11:26 pm (ET) <<Are you guys sure that art is by Mary Grandpre?>> I'm so glad I'm not the only one who does not like this cover! I had a little fit over at the newsgroup about this cover and it was pointed out to me that if you look at the larger version of the book cover on Amazon you can see Mary Grandpre's name on it by the number 2000. I don't see how that can possibly be Ron since he is supposed to have red hair. She got it right on CoS so I don't know why she would miss it here. Laurie From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 04:02:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3123 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3115] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 12:02 am (ET) My guess counting Laura there is about 1-2 dozen people who have already read the book. But very few really. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 04:09:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry - the name Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3124 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: Harry - the name Reply To: [Yahoo! #3029] Re: Harry - the name Date: 7/1/00 12:09 am (ET) "Harry" certainly isn't popular enough to have an image here in the States; how popular was it in England before Princess Di picked it for her son ? (Could've been worse- look at what Princess Leia named her second son!) From iago_nyc at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 04:36:00 2000 From: iago_nyc at yahoo.com (iago_nyc) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross meeting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3125 From: iago_nyc Subject: Re: King's Cross meeting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3118] Re: King's Cross meeting Date: 7/1/00 12:36 am (ET) Newman's song was SATIRE. It was a big poke at bigots. You can substitute any racial/religious group for "short people" and have a really hateful lyric. Randy Newman does not hate short people, he just hates bigotry. And, uh, just to keep on topic: Got a notice from BN.COM that they shipped my HP IV today. Seems a little early, but what the hey. From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 05:15:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3126 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3123] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 1:15 am (ET) well, i haven't read it yet, but - what a tease!- I've held it in my hands. Ah, the joys of working in a bookstore. If any of you are in New Jersey (Central NJ, specifically) my store (Barnes And Noble in North Brunswick) is staying open late on the 7th and having a Harry Potter party, with a harry lookalike contest and other games. It's going to be a lot of fun, so if you're in the area, stop by! XO, Michelle From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 06:42:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 02:42:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3127 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3126] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 2:42 am (ET) Here's a question. The affadavit (sp?) that the bookstores all had to sign said specifically that if they broke the rules by selling it even an hour earlier than 12:01 on the eighth, they would NEVER get another shipment of Harry Potter books. Never. Meaning no book 5, no book 6, and no book 7, not to mention no more book 4s. So has anyone heard about this bookstore's punishment? Are they really going to be cut off from future HPs? Because if Scholastic backs out of their threats (which I have every reason to believe they will as they will lose money somehow this way), then what's stopping any other bookstore who has their hands on the books from selling them a little early? ;) Jen (ps. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous! Bad me.) From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 06:45:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 02:45:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3128 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3123] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 2:45 am (ET) Jim Dale has obviously read it since the audio version will be released simultaniously with the book. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 07:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 03:22:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3129 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3128] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 3:22 am (ET) > Jim Dale has obviously read it since the audio > version will be released simultaniously with the book. NPR's "Morning Edition" this morning (Friday 6/30)(that was before Laura got in the news) http://npr.org/programs/morning/ had an article about there "are" only five or six people who have read GoF yet, Jim Dale being one of them. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 08:03:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 04:03:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3130 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Owls Date: 7/1/00 4:03 am (ET) Why do the wizard folk send their mail by owl instead of just teleporting it? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 09:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:15:00 -0400 Subject: Filthy lucre Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3131 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Filthy lucre Reply To: [Yahoo! #3114] Re: book 4 Date: 7/1/00 5:15 am (ET) "it's collectors who are ridiculous, not that dad." A friend of mine showed me an lengthy article from "Book Collector" magazine about the Harry Potter books. It included most of the familiar biographical notes on JK Rowling, but also information on how much the different editions/variations of the books (UK versions) are worth. A mint condition, first-run, first edition of Philosopher's Stone will fetch as much as GB'11,500 (that's about US$17,500), mainly because they only printed 500 copies of it! That's obviously the Holy Grail for book collectors. I can't imagine how much signed copies would fetch, but a few pennies, no doubt. I guess that's partly why Waterstone's bookshop in Piccadilly is only allowing people 'under 17' to queue for a signature. Their logic must be that any adults standing in line would have to be book dealers, out to make a fast buck. But, we know different, eh? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 09:36:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:36:00 -0400 Subject: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3132 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Reply To: [Yahoo! #3111] Re: who is Puja Date: 7/1/00 5:36 am (ET) "Catlady has not been reading Book IV and didn't make up the name Puja -snip- maybe it was fanfic as you suggest, or a dream" Years ago, when I was a child, I read a compilation of fantasy/adventure stories. It was one of those big, board-backed books, with illustrations dancing through the text, and it was one of my favourite things to read under the bedsheets. Somehow, the book got mislaid and, several years later, my memories of it had faded. There was one story in the book that had fascinated me and, although the details were sketchy, I knew it had been special or unusual in some way. I could recall flashes of pictures and text, but not get a clear hold on it. A few years later still, I found the book. I leafed through it, eagerly, looking for *my* story, but - to my horror - it wasn't there. Perhaps I'd seen the story in another book, and got confused, or made the whole thing up myself in a dream, but the thought of it still sends a chill down my spine. I remember being convinced that the story had been removed from the book by forces unknown. My overactive imagination, I guess... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 09:44:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:44:00 -0400 Subject: The anagrams... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3133 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The anagrams... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3118] Re: King's Cross meeting Date: 7/1/00 5:44 am (ET) "And number 9 of the people anagrams isn't *quite* as difficult as you may think. Just give it a go." It just looked horrifyingly long, but now you mention it, it's fairly obvious what that one is (at least the second part)! I haven't attempted to do any of them yet, but might have a stab today... Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 12:50:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3134 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3127] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 8:50 am (ET) Hi: <<<Here's a question. The affadavit (sp?) that the bookstores all had to sign said specifically that if they broke the rules by selling it even an hour earlier than 12:01 on the eighth, they would NEVER get another shipment of Harry Potter books. Never. Meaning no book 5, no book 6, and no book 7, not to mention no more book 4s. So has anyone heard about this bookstore's punishment? Are they really going to be cut off from future HPs?>>> I think Scholastic will have to carry through on this threat. They won't really lose money - the HP books will still sell. They just won't be distributed/sold by that particular bookstore. I haven't heard yet which bookstore it was -- that ought to be interesting. I'd bet it was not a major chain store. If it was a chain store, I imagine they'll just penalize that one particular branch (not all of B&N for example). But, it won't have been a chain I don't imagine. Those managers would be way too hypersensitive to the issues involved. I'm starting to have another theory about this whole thing -- see my next posting. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 12:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: Single Copy "Accidentally" Sold Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3135 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Single Copy "Accidentally" Sold Date: 7/1/00 8:54 am (ET) Hi: I'm starting to wonder if maybe the release of that one copy *wasn't* an accident. What if it's a publicity stunt to make everyone think they know what the book looks like (including the cover art and hmmm . . perhaps even the title after all)? Don't know if they'd go to all that trouble though. But, it's a somewhat viable theory. <g> Penny (who *hates* that cover-art so much that she's thinking up all kinds of wild theories why it might not actually be the cover) From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 14:25:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: Single Copy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3136 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Single Copy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3135] Single Copy "Accidentally" Sold Date: 7/1/00 10:25 am (ET) The same thought ran through my Harry-fevered mind too! And like you I also *hate* the cover art! Re: the Randy Newman song: It came out when I was nine and I had to live through much teasing at school. And now my grudge against him is much tongue in cheek. But I do know how to hold a grudge.<bg> Trina From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 14:42:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: More on the "Accident" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3137 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More on the "Accident" Date: 7/1/00 10:42 am (ET) Hi: Here's a link to a Washington Post article today re: the accidental sale of it seems more than 1 copy (and not in NY after all as CNN said yesterday but rather in northern Virginia): http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/A29734-2000Jun30.html Still sounds suspicious, doesn't it? Penny From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 14:54:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3138 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #3130] Owls Date: 7/1/00 10:54 am (ET) "Why do the wizard folk send their mail by owl instead of just teleporting it?" The owls have always amazed me. In the books Harry is repeatedly told that his owl will find however he sends it to. This I would guess is true of all owls. So, why when after Sirius, did they not just send an owl to him and follow it? Simon From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 15:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: More on the Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3139 From: Danemead Subject: Re: More on the Reply To: [Yahoo! #3137] More on the "Accident" Date: 7/1/00 11:42 am (ET) The reporter is quoting CHAPTER TITLES in this article. Did they let the reporter read it too? Wouldn't it be a scream if the whole thing was a fake? URGH! This is worse than waiting for dawn on Christmas Day when I was a little tyke! >>>>Here's a link to a Washington Post article today re: the accidental sale of it seems more than 1 copy (and not in NY after all as CNN said yesterday but rather in northern Virginia): http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/A29734-2000Jun30.html Still sounds suspicious, doesn't it? Penny <<<<< From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 15:57:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: Single Copy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3140 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Single Copy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3135] Single Copy "Accidentally" Sold Date: 7/1/00 11:57 am (ET) <<(who *hates* that cover-art so much that she's thinking up all kinds of wild theories why it might not actually be the cover)>> Keep it up, Penny! I'll have to admit that I don't hate the art per se. If it were a stand-alone book, I might even like it. As part of a series, however, I had my heart set on a cover in the same style as the rest. Melanie From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 15:57:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: Poppy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3141 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Poppy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3111] Re: who is Puja Date: 7/1/00 11:57 am (ET) In Book III, Dumbledore addresses Pomfrey as "Poppy". From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:02:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3142 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #3130] Owls Date: 7/1/00 12:02 pm (ET) I have always wondered why they would use phones! Owls take a while to reach their destination after all, and you can't send any other owls until your owl returns and has had some time to rest. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:08:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:08:00 -0400 Subject: More on the Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3143 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: More on the Reply To: [Yahoo! #3137] More on the "Accident" Date: 7/1/00 12:08 pm (ET) I am a little ticked off that they are revealing the names of various chapters. You would think they would at LEAST have the good tase to keep quite about any details!! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:45:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3144 From: joywitch999 Subject: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3143] Re: More on the Date: 7/1/00 12:45 pm (ET) According to the Washington Post article, Lauras book was purchased at a branch of a large chain store, presumably near her home in Fairfax, Va. The person who bought it refuses to say which bookstore so I guess they wont be punished by Scholastic. I want to spend the weekend driving from bookstore to bookstore in N. Va. but my boyfriend (he owns a car; I dont) refuses. I am thinking of getting a new boyfriend. The Post article does indeed mention the chapter titles, and I will repeat the only significant ones here but unlike the Post I will add S P O I L E R S P A C E The title of the 1st chapter: The Riddle House The title of the 2nd chapter: The Scar Intriguing, no? What do you think? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:46:00 -0400 Subject: More on the Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3145 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: More on the Reply To: [Yahoo! #3137] More on the "Accident" Date: 7/1/00 12:46 pm (ET) > Here's a link to a Washington Post article today re: the accidental sale I noticed that one of the writers of the article is named Leef Smith, and immediately thought 'Leef Greene! That's a JKR name!" From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:54:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3146 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #3142] Re: Owls Date: 7/1/00 12:54 pm (ET) > I have always wondered why they would use phones! Owls take a while to reach their destination after all, and you can't send any other owls until your owl returns and has had some time to rest. WouldN'T use phones? I see fanfic has invented lots of spells for real-time vocal conversation, but I suspect that really the wizards are technologically behind us. Hogwart's has an owlery with many owls, presumably so does the Ministry of Magic, presumably so do rich families like the Malfoys and any big businesses that might exist in the wizard world. Hogmeade has a post office with a rack of different owls, each labelled with the weight it can carry what distance, and its price schedule. Perhaps there are other wizard post offices, in London near Diagon Alley and in other areas with dense concentrations of wizards. People who thus have access to many owls can send many messages simultaneously. But teleporting the mail must be possible because Hagrid teleported the admissions letterS to Harry. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 16:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3147 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Reply To: [Yahoo! #3132] Re: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Date: 7/1/00 12:57 pm (ET) > A few years later still, I found the book. I leafed through it, eagerly, looking for *my* story, but - to my horror - it wasn't there. I think this list "recently" discussed "Have you ever dreamed of reading something in a book?" and I described how I once read the biography of John Paul Jones in a chapter of PICTORIAL TALE OF PROGRESS but that chapter was never in that book again, and that life story wasn't the same as in any other JPJ biography I read. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 17:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3148 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: JKR Interview Date: 7/1/00 1:16 pm (ET) --- In HogwartsAdultSchool at egroups.com, "Kelley " wrote: > There's a quite interesting interview with JKR in the British Times: > http://www.the-times.co.uk/onlinespecials/features/harrypotter/ I read the interview and several of the links and it was all interesting but the two comment hooks I founda are not very Harry. First, the interviewer said JKR is "short (5'4")". 5'4" is the average height for American women (I don't know about British women). I, almost two inches shorter than that, don't consider 5'4" to be short. Second, she has an attack bunny. Like the attack rabbit in MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL? Like the attack rabbit that Jimmy Carter encountered on his fishing trip? (Sorry, my age is showing.) I have some friends who have bunnies. One of them, a nurse, phoned in to work that she couldn't come in because she was having a bad hare day: "He bit my thumb and must have severed a vessel because there is so much blood." From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 17:47:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: Giveaway Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3149 From: Danemead Subject: Giveaway Names Date: 7/1/00 1:47 pm (ET) It bothers me that you can often tell what a person is by their name. When I read "Remus Lupin" for the first time, I immediately knew he was a werewolf. (Remus from 'Romulus and Remus' the mythological twins that were raised by wolves; and 'lupine' means wolf-like). You could guess that "Sirius Black" would end up as a big black dog. Most of the Slytherins have harsh-sounding names. I realize that JKR was originally intending these books for children, but I hope that in future books it won't be so obvious WHAT a person is by what their name is. Spoils the fun! The names of the textbook authors are humorous, because we usually don't meet them personally, but I'd rather be left guessing as to the main characters. (of course, I don't even want to THINK about the picture of a "hairy potter", LOL!) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 17:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3150 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Reply To: [Yahoo! #3147] Re: who is Puja/the reality of dreams Date: 7/1/00 1:51 pm (ET) <<I think this list "recently" discussed "Have you ever dreamed of reading something in a book?">> I must have missed that - too busy dreaming... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3151 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: JKR Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #3148] JKR Interview Date: 7/1/00 2:15 pm (ET) > There's a quite interesting interview with JKR in the British Times: > http://www.the-times.co.uk/onlinespecials/features/harrypotter/ ******* The Times interview is really interesting. In the second part there is a pic of Joanne holding some of the German versions of the books. Take a look - what's the one at the back of the three she's holding? Is it a 'adult' German edition, perhaps? Also, in the right frame, they have links to some cover art from around the world; some that are posted in our Photos section and some that aren't (I think). - The Italian PoA - with the wording arranged *really* badly: the title over the picture and the author's name nestling in the title. - The Spanish PoA: the most hilarious Buckbeak I've seen yet. - The US CoS with a caption suggesting it's the British version. Also, there are only pictures of the US Book IV, even though this interview was in a British newspaper. And - in a classic piece of journalistic barrel-scraping, disguised as a scoop - a photo of the two childhood friends of JK Rowling who have the surname 'Potter'. Neil From striga_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:33:00 2000 From: striga_2000 at yahoo.com (striga_2000) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:33:00 -0400 Subject: Giveaway Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3152 From: striga_2000 Subject: Re: Giveaway Names Reply To: [Yahoo! #3149] Giveaway Names Date: 7/1/00 2:33 pm (ET) i actually find it fun finding out what the names mean, it adds a sortof puzzle to the book as well as the plot. I have also found that alot of names of people and objects in the book are derivved from latin e.g patronus is protecter in latin, fidelus is faith in latin, and have you noticed that the dog star is CALLED sirius just like black, i think the things she does with the charactures names is very clever. salvere iubere, striga From striga_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:35:00 2000 From: striga_2000 at yahoo.com (striga_2000) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3153 From: striga_2000 Subject: Re: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3144] I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 2:35 pm (ET) good names, i don't know how you can out THAT book on a shelf "accidently" maybe it was deliberatly done as a publicity stunt? salvere iubere. striga From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:35:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3154 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Pictures Date: 7/1/00 2:35 pm (ET) I've added the Spanish and Italian PoA covers to album (2) of covers, in the Photos section. I've also created an album for pics of Joanne Rowling, starting with the one where she's holding the German books. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Books, generalized.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3155 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Books, generalized.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3152] Re: Giveaway Names Date: 7/1/00 2:36 pm (ET) I have been waiting for my loan check to arrive to get the full compliment of books, all 4 in other words. I hit the mail box today, and almost started crying. There, in a box, was PoA. I haven't read one or two yet mind you! I hate reading in the middle of a series, and I swear that I asked for all three ages ago, and thought it was a lost cause (Sci-Fi Book Club). Argh!!! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: Books, generalized.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3156 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Books, generalized.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3155] Books, generalized.... Date: 7/1/00 2:40 pm (ET) "I haven't read one or two yet mind you!" I'm impressed, Dee, that you're involved with this club before you've even read the books! Perhaps we should put SPOILER on every single post!! Neil From rainbow_smileys at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:47:00 2000 From: rainbow_smileys at yahoo.com (rainbow_smileys) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3157 From: rainbow_smileys Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3090] Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 2:47 pm (ET) What's the web address for the CNN website? From striga_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:49:00 2000 From: striga_2000 at yahoo.com (striga_2000) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: title, chaptrs etc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3158 From: striga_2000 Subject: title, chaptrs etc Date: 7/1/00 2:49 pm (ET) i'm annoyed that they've reviled the title, cover and some chapter names, i would much rather wait until that day when the book lands on my doorstep and i open it.... uh oh i'm dreaming again. well you know what i mean. salvere iubere, striga From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:52:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:52:00 -0400 Subject: Giveaway Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3159 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Giveaway Names Reply To: [Yahoo! #3149] Giveaway Names Date: 7/1/00 2:52 pm (ET) "It bothers me that you can often tell what a person is by their name." ... so, if we come across a character called Dr Vlad Batsblood, we shouldn't be too surprised at his hidden 'secret'. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 18:53:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: Books, generalized....Neil Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3160 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Books, generalized....Neil Reply To: [Yahoo! #3156] Re: Books, generalized.... Date: 7/1/00 2:53 pm (ET) It's ok, Neil. I have sense enough to speed read, for content mind you, each post, and then determine if reading the actually contents will upset future reading(s). About 70% the answer is yes, though (winks). I have a dear enthusiasm for this book, after seeing the younger generation take off on it. There must be something that these books have that, having left them unread, I am missing out on! This is from a serious rp'er, and sf reader (own about 300+ books). My favorite series remains the King Kelson version of the Deryni series by Katherine Kurtz, with her paralleling Wales in her tales. I was 12-13 when I first read them, and I instantly had a crush on that raven-haired boy-king! If anyone is seeking a good series, by the way, look in yahoo auctions for Deryni Rising. It's listed currently (have that alert, but already own the book from a while ago!). You prolly can get it from a bookstore or the like too. You guys are wonderful, and I am quite glad I joined the club. (Psst. Cat. I too am a wiccan, btw! Winks!) BB Dee From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 19:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: Books, generalized.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3161 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Books, generalized.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3160] Re: Books, generalized....Neil Date: 7/1/00 3:26 pm (ET) > This is from a serious rp'er, and sf reader (own about 300+ books). Psst. Cat. I too am a wiccan, btw! Winks!) I, too, am (was) an sf fan -- I read a ton of books (altho' to me Deryni was just okay) and was active in Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society (where I met most of my friends) and went to numerous sf conventions. But somehow I got *years* behind in reading books and found that Egyptology is much higher priority than recent sf, and that I don't enjoy club meetings or sf cons anywhere near as much now that I can't drink anymore.... And I'm not much of an rpg'er. Having found that I annoy gaming groups whose members want my characters to follow some sort of rational strategy, and that I'd rather sleep than play out combat in 30-second rounds, I game with only one group of people (of whom I am the youngest except for Kay's 14 year old daughter). Our one group plays several campaigns and you may have read our adventures in ALARUMS AND EXCURSIONS, of which I am not a member. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 19:42:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:42:00 -0400 Subject: Giveaway Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3162 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Giveaway Names Reply To: [Yahoo! #3149] Giveaway Names Date: 7/1/00 3:42 pm (ET) > It bothers me that you can often tell what a person is by their name. (snip) You could guess that "Sirius Black" would end up as a big black dog. It seems to be part of the nature of the wizard world that people's names have meanings (one of the ways in which whimsy and puns are natural laws in the wizard world). I very much wonder how that works. If the name affects the person's destiny, why would parents *ever* name their child Remus Lupin???? (Perhaps the reason they didn't change the family name is that Lupin is also a flower. Like Monty Python's highwayman who steals the lupins.) However, having the name influence the destiny would explain why wizard family resemblances seem to persist more in the patriline (with the surname) than in the matriline. Or, if the destiny pre-exists, which causes all kinds of philosophical problems about free will (except to centaurs, who don't believe in free will, but if everything is pre-ordained, so was Firenze helping Harry pre-ordained), how do parents know what name will match it? Or do people go through orgies of name-changing, to suit their activities, at age 10 before going to wizard school, and again at age 18 after having graduated, and maybe every ten years throughout life? Altho' I thought that Sirius Black would end up as an astrological object, I never thought of a dog! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 19:54:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:54:00 -0400 Subject: Half-Breeds Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3163 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Half-Breeds Date: 7/1/00 3:54 pm (ET) Sorry for the offensive terminology, but I was just wondering about half-Muggle half-magic people. I was just reminded that Seamus Finnigan, who was raised a wizard and had often flown a broom before arriving at Hogwart's, had Muggle dad and witch mum, as did Tom Riddle. Do we know of anyone who had Muggle mother and wizard father? I was wondering whether half-and-half people are muggle or magic depending on what their mother was. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 20:19:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: Double Dutch... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3164 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Double Dutch... Date: 7/1/00 4:19 pm (ET) I was scouting around for Harry Potter obscurities [as you do] and found a glossary of words on a Dutch fan site. I thought you'd like to see some of the more exotic 'alternatives: De Dikke Dame - The Fat Lady Hermelien Griffel - Hermione Granger Ron Wemel - Ron Weasley Zweinstein Hogeschool voor Hekserij & Hocus-Pocus - Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry Severus Sneep - Severus Snape Albus Perkamentus - Albus Dumbledore Gladianus Smalhart - Gilderoy Lockhart Der Wegisweg - Diagon Alley Jenny Jammerende - Moaning Myrtle Zwerkbal - Quidditch Zwadderich - Slytherin Schurfie - Scabbers Funny - in some languages, they change loads, in others, hardly anything. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 20:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: UK cover artists Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3165 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: UK cover artists Date: 7/1/00 4:27 pm (ET) I've been looking for info on the cover artists of the British HP books. So far, all I can establish is that both Thomas Taylor and Cliff Wright are established illustrators for children's books (Wright is the more prolific). They have mostly illustrated books for younger children (3-7 years) and both have illustrated their own books for children as well as illustrating the work of other authors. Cliff Wright's first book "When the World Sleeps" was published in 1990, and was runner-up for the Mother Goose Award. Since then Cliff has written and illustrated two further titles "Crumb" and "The Tangleweed Troll". The most famous book he's illustrated (apart from CoS and PoA) is a 1994 version of "The Wind in The Willows". Cliff lives in Newhaven, East Sussex. I must agree with Simon's asertion that the cover art for Book 4 looks more like Wright's work than Taylor's, although it's reportedly Taylor's handiwork. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 20:39:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: More (nice) pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3166 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: More (nice) pictures Date: 7/1/00 4:39 pm (ET) I've created yet another Phot album, called "Harry Potter Illustrations". I've added two pics I found on a Swedish fan site, which I'm assuming come from the Swedish editions of the books (but which could be the work of a very talented fan). The pic of Harry is just how I imagine him. Neil From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 20:40:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:40:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3167 From: davehoz Subject: Re: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3144] I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 4:40 pm (ET) (WARNING! SPOILERS REGARDING CHAPTER TITLES!!!) * * * * * * * * * * I also notice the last chapter is called "The Beginning"... The first episode of _Red Dwarf_ springs to mind. Hmmm... "The Riddle House". As in Tom? Since each book starts at Privet drive, does this mean that Number 4 was once the residence of You-Know-Who??? I think you're right, you need a new, Harry-obsessed boyfriend. ( I volunteer! :) ) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 21:05:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:05:00 -0400 Subject: More (nice) pictures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3168 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: More (nice) pictures Reply To: [Yahoo! #3166] More (nice) pictures Date: 7/1/00 5:05 pm (ET) "I've added two pics I found on a Swedish fan site... The pic of Harry is just how I imagine him." Wow. A picture of a character in a book that actually looks like what I imagined. This must be a first! I am totally unimpressed with that American cover. It is not in keeping with the rest of the series. The other covers show something important to the book, we will have to see if this is also the case with book 4. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 21:14:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Groups Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3169 From: hert0661 Subject: Harry Potter Groups Date: 7/1/00 5:14 pm (ET) I have just looked at the list of Harry Potter groups on Yahoo and we seem to have made it to the top. The one that was top of the list seems to have disappeared from the list and we have overtaken the rest. This could mean that we will get alot of new members again and the problems of a few weeks ago may resurface. So I will ask now how is the FAQ coming along. Is any more help needed, because is so I can offer some for the next few weeks while I have little to do. This is of course subject to the fact that I will not be checking the group until I have read the new book at least once. Simon From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 21:49:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3170 From: Danemead Subject: Re: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3167] Re: I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 5:49 pm (ET) (WARNING! SPOILERS REGARDING CHAPTER TITLES!!!) * * * * * * * * * * >>>>I also notice the last chapter is called "The Beginning".<<<< If that's the last chapter, and JKR has stated that the end of the book is very frightening, then perhaps we may assume it's 'The Beginning' of a serious attempt by Voldemort and his supporters to regain their power. It may be that Voldemort will manage to rejuvenate himself. {{{Imagining how scared I would be if Hitler got resurrected}}} From standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 22:14:00 2000 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com (standardbookofspellsgrade7) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Subject: not to rush or anything, but... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3171 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 Subject: not to rush or anything, but... Date: 7/1/00 6:14 pm (ET) Is there a set timeframe of when the rest of the books will be released? I would rather not read book four in one day like I did with the others two weeks ago, and then be deprived of what comes next for a year... Standard Book of Spells Grade 7 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 22:24:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3172 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3170] Re: I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 6:24 pm (ET) >>>>>>(WARNING! SPOILERS REGARDING CHAPTER TITLES!!!) * * * * * * * * * * >>>>I also notice the last chapter is called "The Beginning".<<<< If that's the last chapter, and JKR has stated that the end of the book is very frightening, then perhaps we may assume it's 'The Beginning' of a serious attempt by Voldemort and his supporters to regain their power. It may be that Voldemort will manage to rejuvenate himself.>>>>>>>>>>>>> The person would was my source for many delightful appetizers on Book 4 admirably resisted telling me ANYTHING about the ending except that "the spirit of Voldemort will be very present" or something to that effect, and that the book is well worth all the anticipation. I think we are in for a real cliffhanger..... My theory: Voldemort and his minions will establish control over Hogwarts..... Can you imagine what waiting for Book Five will be like??????? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 22:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3173 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/1/00 6:54 pm (ET) I've finally managed to kick-start my scanner, so I've scanned my little heart out, and posted some more pics in "Harry Potter illustrations" [Photos section] These include: - various bits of artwork from the US CD versions of all three books. Most of it will be familiar to those with the US books. It's all by Mary GrandPre, as far as I'm aware. - back covers of UK paperback versions of books 1-3 (I've edited out the text). Some of it is great. Perhaps it will make up for the emotional trauma the US cover of Goblet of Fire 4 is causing. Neil From houston425 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 1 23:14:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:14:00 -0400 Subject: Last Chapter Title (SPOILER) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3174 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Last Chapter Title (SPOILER) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3172] Re: I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 7:14 pm (ET) >>>>>>(WARNING! SPOILERS REGARDING CHAPTER TITLES!!!) * * * * * * * * * * * * * >>>>I also notice the last chapter is called "The Beginning". If that's the last chapter, and JKR has stated that the end of the book is very frightening, then perhaps we may assume it's 'The Beginning' of a serious attempt by Voldemort and his supporters to regain their power.>>>>>> My first thought upon seeing that chapter title was that we would see what happened when Voldemort went after Lily and James. But I think that after reading this suggestion, showing his rise to power is probably much more likely. And scary. <<<<<<Can you imagine what waiting for Book Five will be like??????? >>>>>> The scariest thought of all!!!!!! From sakerio at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 00:23:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: Hello fellow literature fans!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3175 From: sakerio Subject: Hello fellow literature fans!!! Date: 7/1/00 8:23 pm (ET) Just so you know I been following the club for a few weeks before joining(my usual route) and look forward to the exchange of dialouge. I am 28 and work at home, read a LOT, write some(mostly sci-fi, fantasy). I am a philosophy student, and a great fan of Japanese culture in all it's myriad dimensions(currently studying the language ugh) And most importantly I have been a Potter fan for about7-8 months!(read all three) Like everyone else awaiting the 8th with barely contained enthusiasm. Rio From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 01:41:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: More on the Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3176 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: More on the Reply To: [Yahoo! #3143] Re: More on the Date: 7/1/00 9:41 pm (ET) I agree completely! While I took a peek at the book, I didn't look past the dust jacket, and even then, I didn't read anything on it. I want to be surprised about it's contents, but I couldn't help but want to know what the cover looked like. :) I was kind of disappointed; not in the art itself, but in the fact that I had seen the cover art before on a store display. For something with so much secrecy, you'd think they'd use alternate art for an advance display, but oh well. XO, Michelle From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 01:45:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:45:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3177 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3128] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/1/00 9:45 pm (ET) It's not to say that no one has. Actually, there's a chance that there is more than that. Bookstore owners might take a peak. But there probably is at most 100 people who have read the book cover to cover. From iago_nyc at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 02:32:00 2000 From: iago_nyc at yahoo.com (iago_nyc) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:32:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3178 From: iago_nyc Subject: Re: Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #3146] Re: Owls Date: 7/1/00 10:32 pm (ET) This discussion reminds me of the fun poked at Trekkers in "Galaxy Quest", where the Trekkers asked the actors technological questions about a fictitious spaceship. (See movie for greater detail). I'm not knocking the discussion -- I just see a parallel. Owls are just more interesting when telling a story, as opposed to "and, POOF!, the message was delivered". :-) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 02:56:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: I want book four now! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3179 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: I want book four now! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3167] Re: I want book four now! Date: 7/1/00 10:56 pm (ET) >>>I think you're right, you need a new, Harry-obsessed boyfriend. ( I volunteer! :) ) well, my current BF is getting better -- he just finished PoA for the second time. However, I really appreciate your offer. And I have to admit that driving around Northern Virginia desperately looking for the bookstore is a little nuts. But I hate waiting!!!!! Thats an interesting idea; that 4 Privet Drive was once Tom Riddles house. hmmmmmmmmmmm. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 03:11:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3180 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3173] More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/1/00 11:11 pm (ET) Thanks, Neil. Nice pictures. The one of Hogwarts is really odd, though. It looks like a factory. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 03:27:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: Perceptions of women... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3181 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Perceptions of women... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3100] Re: Perceptions of women... Date: 7/1/00 11:27 pm (ET) >>> Sounds good by here too! So... maybe you might check your Yahoo mail for a little letter sent by electronic owl, and maybe I'll get a response back? :) >>> I just sent an e-owl in reply! :-) I think we'd better stick to owl post rather than this board for individual messages, because I think some people might be getting annoyed at us. :) Thanks for the letter! -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 03:53:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: Owls Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3182 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Owls Reply To: [Yahoo! #3178] Re: Owls Date: 7/1/00 11:53 pm (ET) >>> I'm not knocking the discussion -- I just see a parallel. Owls are just more interesting when telling a story, as opposed to "and, POOF!, the message was delivered". :-) >>> Maybe, in a way, owls are more reliable than magic. Perhaps an inexperienced witch or wizard might accidentally send a message to a Muggle while using magic to do so, causing no end of headaches for the Ministry, and with an owl there's no danger of that. Also, with magic, there's always a possibility that a Dark Wizard (or any witch or wizard) might be able to magically tamper or intercept a message. In CoS, it's stated (by Fred Weasley, I think) that house-elfs have their own, powerful magic -- maybe that's the case with owls as well. After all, Hedwig was able to find Hermione to get Harry his b-day present, and Sirius' owl was able to find Harry. Speaking of Sirius, that could also be the reason the Ministry couldn't catch him via owl -- owls use their own magic to travel from place to place, and they're very hard to track. ??? I can't wait for book 4 either! I received an e-mail from Barnes and Noble saying that they're going to rush me my book. I'm hoping that means I'll get it the day of July 8! I can't stand much more of this waiting!!! BTW, in case any of you were wondering about my profile (and why it now says ND when it previously said WY) -- I'm originally from ND, attending college in WY, and I just got home. :) -- JoAnna From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 05:24:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3183 From: norevoli Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3180] Re: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/2/00 1:24 am (ET) I did like those pictures! although in my head... norbert's head isn't so skinny.I haven't had the benefit of coming across them since I own the RainCoast version of the books... which I think are similar to the UK ones... which brings THIS UP AGAIN!! will some one please tell me... WHO IN THE WORLD IS THAT GUY ON THE BACK OF BOOK 1? My friend went to Dubai last march break and said that the UK editions don't have this guy there but on the one with Raincoast as a publisher they do...its some guy with a pipe carrying a large book who looks nothing like Dumbledore, snape, or Quirrel someone like to help me out on this?? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 08:03:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 04:03:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3184 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3183] Re: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/2/00 4:03 am (ET) "WHO IN THE WORLD IS THAT GUY ON THE BACK OF BOOK 1?" Norevoli - you've created an album in Photos, but there's no photo in it! A guy with a pipe and book, you say? Could be Flitwick? Binns? Ollivander? My theory, though, is that it would be Nicholas Flamel, described as "the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone", but I'd like to see it first ;) All the UK versions of Book 1 have the pic of Dumbledore I posted, or nothing at all, as far as I know. Neil From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 12:03:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 08:03:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts expresse Uk tour? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3185 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Hogwarts expresse Uk tour? Date: 7/2/00 8:03 am (ET) can i have some more info? will it B coming anywhere near Dorset? etc etc Thanks lizabee (19 going on 9) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 12:46:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3186 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Breaking News Reply To: [Yahoo! #3177] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/2/00 8:46 am (ET) Hi all Lots of interesting things in the Mail On Sunday today (published in the UK). I'm at work right now, will digest and post on Monday. They include more details about Laura Cantwell. The Mail on Sunday says she's from Fairfax, near Washinton DC (not NYC or Virginia). Bloomsbury is directing all blame on to Scholastic. "it is being dealt with by our lawyers" Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 12:48:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts expresse Uk tour? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3187 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Hogwarts expresse Uk tour? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3185] Hogwarts expresse Uk tour? Date: 7/2/00 8:48 am (ET) I know very little so far... The train is due to leave Kings Cross around Lunchtime... and will tour for a few days ending in Scotland on the 11th July, I believe. If anyone knows anything more... please post it here. Nick. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 13:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3188 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3186] Re: Breaking News Date: 7/2/00 9:07 am (ET) "They include more details about Laura Cantwell. The Mail on Sunday says she's from Fairfax, near Washinton DC (not NYC or Virginia)." Virginia is due south of DC, so I guess Fairfax is near the border, but it is in Virginia. I guess the Mail on Sunday thought people would be more likely to have heard of Washington, as it's the capital! (an example of the British dumbing things down...) Talking of the Mail on Sunday, there's a piece in the Times interview - I think - where JK Rowling is talking about a friend of hers phoning her, in the early days, to let her know that her ex-husband had sold his 'story' to the Mail on Sunday. Rowling's first thought was not what the article said about her but to ask her friend, "what are you doing reading the Mail on Sunday?" The Mail on Sunday is politically right-of-centre, (as is The Times). JK Rowling comes across as being quite left-of centre. Neil From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 14:53:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 10:53:00 -0400 Subject: Win a copy of the next HP bk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3189 From: echomyst Subject: Win a copy of the next HP bk Date: 7/2/00 10:53 am (ET) Ans all 40 questions & you could win a copy of HP and the Goblet of Fire. Entries must be received by July 12 and contest's open to kids 14 and under. Send to Starship's Harry Potter Contest, The Sunday Star, One Yonge St. Toronto, Ontario, M5E 1E6. 1) Describe Harry's appearance, including what he sports on his forehead 2) who's the cat that appears on the street w/ Albus Dumbledore in the opening ch. of HP & the Philo stone 3) by what means does the infant Harry arrive at the Dursleys' house 4) who's so frightening that he's referred to as you-know-who 5) name Harry's 2 closest friends 6) which one was born into a muggle family 7) who or what are Muggles 8) identify draco malfoy and name his 2 sidekicks 9) on what king's cross station platform do harry and his friends catch the hogwarts express 10) where do harry and his wizard friends shop for school supplies 11) who and what, according to the first bk, is Scabbers 12) name the 4 houses at hogwarts 13) what does the P on the badge of Percy Weasley's chest stand for? 14) what can u do w/ Polyjuice Potion 15) what evil language ability does harry share w/ Salazar Slytherin 16) what class did hagrid teach at Hogwarts 17) what is the most boring class at hogwarts and the only one to be taught by a ghost 18) who was held captive in the Chamber of Secrets 19) how is hermione able to be in 2 places at the same time 20) where's Harry's money kept 21) name some wizarding money 22) who's Fawkes 23) what's Floo Powder 24) what's a quaffle 25) what postion does harry potter play and for which house does he play 26) how many pts are awarded for the capture of the Golden snitch 27) who's the captain of Slytherin team 28) what's a bludger and how's it used in quidditch 29) what are Dementors and what's their last and worst weapon 30) what's the name of the cnady store in Hogsmeade 31) where's the Leaky Cauldron located 32) who is Albus Dumbledore 33) who's Moaning Myrtle and where does she live 34) who's Aunt Marge and what does Harry do to her 35) who is Hedwig 36) what is a Howler 37) whos is Sirius Black 38) name the members of the mean and abusive family w/ whom Harry lives 39) in the first bk, where does harry sleep in the Dursley house 40) what committe assigns and exectuioner to behead Buckbeak Whew! finished typing at last! sorry for any typos! -Emily =P From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 14:58:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 10:58:00 -0400 Subject: Win a copy of the next HP bk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3190 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Win a copy of the next HP bk Reply To: [Yahoo! #3189] Win a copy of the next HP bk Date: 7/2/00 10:58 am (ET) Oh sorry, forgot to add: there are 10 copies to be won, courtesy of Canadian publisher Raincoast Books. Good luck! pls check www.thestar.com or The Toronto Star for more details --Emily From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 15:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:00:00 -0400 Subject: Intro Message; FAQs; Thanks to Melanie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3191 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Intro Message; FAQs; Thanks to Melanie Date: 7/2/00 11:00 am (ET) Hi: Hopefully, you'll all receive the intro message & link to the FAQs that I sent out just now. I'm planning to send this out at the first of each month (or the 2nd as in this month's case). One thing I forgot to mention in this message -- but I'll correct it for next time -- is to credit Melanie (Ravenclawlady) with creating the FAQs and hosting them on her website. Thanks so very much Melanie!! If in reading the FAQs (or the intro message), you have suggestions for improving them, be sure to email me (linsenma at hic.net). Penny From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 15:29:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3192 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3188] Mail on Sunday Date: 7/2/00 11:29 am (ET) Further on in the same paper is an article about the books. In it there is a discussion of the cover art. It says that Bloomsbury lost the original artist copy of the PoA cover, after the printing of the books. Due to this Cliff Wright has asked for compensation, as normally the artist gets the original back. It then goes on to say that due to this, they got another artist in for book 4. This would explain the similarities, as a new artist would want to continue in the same fashion as the other books. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 15:54:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3193 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3182] Re: Owls Date: 7/2/00 11:54 am (ET) "Speaking of Sirius, that could also be the reason the Ministry couldn't catch him via owl -- owls use their own magic to travel from place to place, and they're very hard to track." How hard can it be to track an animal? Is this another case of something being a lot more complicated in the wizard world? "I can't wait for book 4 either! I received an e-mail from Barnes and Noble saying that they're going to rush me my book. I'm hoping that means I'll get it the day of July 8! I can't stand much more of this waiting!!!" I am still awaiting news of when my copy will get to me. I got an e-mail saying it may take up to a month but I am sure this was a standard automated e-mail. Hopefully it will be here on Saturday but more likely not until the following week. I will just have to avoid all e-mail and web things for a few days. I am expecting my finals (part I) results by e-mail in the next week as well, so must remember to stop receiving this clubs posts by e-mail. "BTW, in case any of you were wondering about my profile (and why it now says ND when it previously said WY) -- I'm originally from ND, attending college in WY, and I just got home. :)" Similarly mine has changed recently to reflect the fact I have returned from Oxford to Dorset. A rather good change as summer is here and now I am much nearer to a beach! Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 15:57:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: Tradition (owls etc) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3194 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Tradition (owls etc) Date: 7/2/00 11:57 am (ET) On the subject of the owl post, I think it's a combination of the unique 'target & seek' qualities of the owls (as several people have suggested) and a very powerful concept, known as tradition. Tradition and custom can explain a great many apparently silly things in the Muggle world, such as: - why barristers in Britain wear tiny wigs made of horsehair, even when they aren't bald; - why, at Christmas, many people display a half-dead pine tree in the corner their living space; - why people say 'excuse me' when they mean 'get out of the WAY!!!'; - why we have 24 hours in a day, and seven days in a week, when everything else is decimal; - why planet earth boasts so many languages when it would be easier to have one; - why The Queen is, apparently, still an attraction; - why we celebrate the day we were born, every year, when we're just a bit closer to being dead; - why we give any actress over 70 a standing ovation just for still being in existence; - why we shake hands when we no longer carry swords; - why brides have to look like brides; Why should the Magic world be any different to the Muggle world? Hogwarts is steeped in tradition - candles, robes, banquets, cermonies... the owls seem right at home there, to me. Neil From eko03155 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 16:11:00 2000 From: eko03155 at yahoo.com (eko03155) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Trinkets Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3195 From: eko03155 Subject: Harry Potter Trinkets Date: 7/2/00 12:11 pm (ET) Today, on the front page of the Boston Globe, there was a story about Harry Potter and how Scholastic has leased the rights to Harry Potter to various companies. I seem to have misplaced the section the story is in, but I remember that it said the "toys" would come in three waves, the last occuring when the movie is released. The spokespeople said that anything foolish would not be considered, but you have to wonder. It said J. K. Rowling didn't have a comment on this turn of events, but that she would be involved in it all. That's really all I can remember of it, sorry! ~*eko From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 16:18:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Another Interesting JKR Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3196 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Another Interesting JKR Interview Date: 7/2/00 12:18 pm (ET) Read another article with a photo of JKR - There' everywhere.. ain't it great !! ha! Prof. D http://www.msnbc.com/news/428200.asp From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 16:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: Tradition (owls etc) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3197 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Tradition (owls etc) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3194] Tradition (owls etc) Date: 7/2/00 12:53 pm (ET) OR.... Why, when there is an announcement over the PA system, does everyone look up at the speaker box? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 17:17:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3198 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3188] Mail on Sunday Date: 7/2/00 1:17 pm (ET) >>>>Virginia is due south of DC, so I guess Fairfax is near the border, but it is in Virginia. I guess the Mail on Sunday thought people would be more likely to have heard of Washington. Actually, Virginia is both south and west of Washington, DC, and all of what is called Northern Virginia is a suburb of Washington and is considered part of the Washington metropolitan area. In fact, a lot of Northern Virginia was once part of the city of Washington, until some time in the 1800s when it was decided that the part of the city west of the Potomac river should be returned to the state of Virginia. From a cultural point of view, Northern Virginia is part of Washington, and the rest of Virginia is part of a very different cultural tradition. Fairfax, Virginia is a small suburban town about 10 miles or so west of DC. Sorry if I am lecturing, and I apologize to anyone who didnt want a geography lesson, but I thought some of you might be interested. From sakerio at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:02:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3199 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3198] Re: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/2/00 2:02 pm (ET) I never actually caught the whole story in detail about the "accidental" sale, but living in Va. I though I would go out and look in some of the book stores and check.*nada* I live about 2 1/2 hrs. from Fairfax so I only went as far north as Roanoke, but beleve me no GoF to be seen yet. Ah well, at least it was a disraction from the norm. Rio From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:08:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Another Interesting JKR Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3200 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Another Interesting JKR Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #3196] Another Interesting JKR Interview Date: 7/2/00 2:08 pm (ET) Q: Will it [Book 4] be the biggest? JKR: No, I think book seven will be. Seven's going to be like the Encyclopaedia Britannica, because I'm going to want to say goodbye. {me: Having seen the size of Book 4 on CNN, I'd guess that Book 7 better be published in two volumes, or in very tiny typeface. I'm gonna start working out with weights so I can lift it} From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:11:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3201 From: norevoli Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3184] Re: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/2/00 2:11 pm (ET) nothing of those men resembles this guy... maybe its only on the back of the one with Raincoast as a publisher... I scanned it and tried to enter it into the photo album I created but once it comes to pushing the upload button nothing happens and I'm sitting here twirling my hair. So I *wish* I could help... how's this? I'll give a better description and i'll see if i can get you guys to view this at a web page or something in the mean time ... anyway... He's got a mustache and short beard both very brown, and it seems he has brow eyes as well. He's smoking a pipe and well, IMO he's wearing mismatchy clothing. A trench coat-ish purple jacket with a green collar and yellow and brown striped pants. At first I thought that maybe it's Fudge but this guy is missing his trade mark bowler hat. And he's holding a large brown book with a star on the front of it under his arm. And then there's the pipe he's smoking. The thing that I really want to know about the man is in this coat pocket, it looks as if there is something there, it sort of buldges (sp?) out. oh well... let me get started on trying to get this picture posted. norevoli From striga_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:22:00 2000 From: striga_2000 at yahoo.com (striga_2000) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: UK cover artists Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3202 From: striga_2000 Subject: Re: UK cover artists Reply To: [Yahoo! #3165] UK cover artists Date: 7/2/00 2:22 pm (ET) really taylors, i would have thought judging from the style that it was wrights.... I prefere the more serious ones however, and i think the 4th book cover is particulaly stunning salvere iubere. striga From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:35:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3203 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3198] Re: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/2/00 2:35 pm (ET) Hmmmm.... My hubby is working in Fairfax today.... - one of the joys of a job in construction - 7 days a week with an hour and a half drive...Wonder if I call him we could arrange an "accident" OK I have to cut that out...I'm just too jealous. I kind of hope it would be a fake - again the jealousy rearing its ugly head. And like many of you, I don't like the cover art very much - but who was it said "Don't judge a book by its cover"? arawa99 - who has just moved, spent a week getting her internet connection back up, and then read 700 messages in a few hours.... From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:39:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:39:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3204 From: norevoli Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3201] Re: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/2/00 2:39 pm (ET) there... I was able to put Mystery Man's Photo up on a page so you guys can see for yourself. http://www.geocities.com/norvoli/hp.html I'll warn you now that they page is really empty. I've only just started my webpage making abilities. Well tell me who you think this chap might be. thanx, norevoli From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 18:42:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:42:00 -0400 Subject: UK cover artists Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3205 From: norevoli Subject: Re: UK cover artists Reply To: [Yahoo! #3202] Re: UK cover artists Date: 7/2/00 2:42 pm (ET) Is the UK cover art the same for the Scholastic ones? The ones we get in Canada usually are the same as those from the UK ...(except for the doode on the back of Philosopher's Stone. Sorry, no more mention of the man with the pipe. norevoli From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 19:11:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: More pictures!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3206 From: Danemead Subject: Re: More pictures!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3204] Re: More pictures!!!!! Date: 7/2/00 3:11 pm (ET) If I was forced to name a name, I would guess Nicholas Flamel, even though he was never described. I think the problem with posting here might be that the picture is so large? (And just in case anyone can't get to the picture, there is an "e" missing in norevoli in the link. I'm not being picky, I'm just pointing it out because I've done the same thing myself more than once. What kind of scanner do you use? The picture is really amazing!} From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 19:20:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read this?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3207 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read this?? Date: 7/2/00 3:20 pm (ET) I would lvoe to read the article that appeared in mail on Sunday-- and yes, that opening paragraph for HP #4!! Does anyone have the link? Thanks!! --Suzanne From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 19:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3208 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 3:27 pm (ET) Norevoli, as Danemead said, the picture you scanned is too large for the Yahoo Photos section (there is a size limit). As it takes a wee while to download from your site, I've taken the liberty of resizing it and it's posted in the folder you created. Interestingly, the background is pretty much the same as the one on the Dumbledore picture. I *have* seen it before (perhaps on the UK audio book, in a shop?). I'd have to say it's Flamel, or some generic 'magic person'. But, why not use the same Dumbledore picture??? BTW, the artwork on Scholastic's books is all Mary GrandPre, whilst Bloomsbury - the UK publisher - uses various artists. Neil From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 19:45:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3209 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3208] Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 3:45 pm (ET) I think he is the wizard who drives the blue Hogwarts Express found on the cover of the Catalan Spanish edition -- the same wizard who plays chess with the giant rats on the cover of the Italian edition. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 20:23:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3210 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Reply To: [Yahoo! #3207] Mail on Sunday? Where can I read this?? Date: 7/2/00 4:23 pm (ET) "I would lvoe to read the article that appeared in mail on Sunday-- and yes, that opening paragraph for HP #4!!" The Mail on Sunday does not have an online website so I cannot give you a link to the article. The opening paragraph says very little but I don't have a copy of the paper to hand to tell you what it says. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 20:26:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3211 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3208] Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 4:26 pm (ET) http://www.alchemylab.com/flamel.htm The above is a link to a web page which has a picture of Flamel on it. I do not know how reliable this picture is. Flamel was meant to have got the method for making the Philospher's Stone from a Jewish book. Is the star on the picture a Jewish Star of David? If so mystery solved. Simon From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 21:57:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: The Ouroboros Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3212 From: rainy_lilac Subject: The Ouroboros Date: 7/2/00 5:57 pm (ET) Someone asked awhile back what an Ouroboros is, since somewhere in one of the three books Hermione walks by a door on which one is carved. I found these pictures on the same website where someone else found info on Nicholas Flamel. http://www.alchemylab.com/ouroboros.htm I seem to remember JK saying in an interview that she has always been fascinated by alchemy! Ncie, huh? --Suzanne From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:01:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3213 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3211] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 6:01 pm (ET) >>>>>>>Flamel was meant to have got the method for making the Philospher's Stone from a Jewish book. Is the star on the picture a Jewish Star of David? If so mystery solved.>>>> It is a pentacle, an ancient symbol for magic, not a star of David. I had always assumed that this was a picture of Dumbledore. I don't have any reason for thinking that.... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:28:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:28:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3214 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3211] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 6:28 pm (ET) "Flamel was meant to have got the method for making the Philospher's Stone from a Jewish book. Is the star on the picture a Jewish Star of David? If so mystery solved." No, the star on the book is a Pentacle, the Star of David has six points. But, I reckon Flamel is the best bet - even if it's a pic of him when he was younger, because the book is called "..The Philosopher's Stone" and he is associated with that. Neil BTW, Catlady and I just noticed where Norevoli's name comes from...! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:30:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3215 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Reply To: [Yahoo! #3207] Mail on Sunday? Where can I read this?? Date: 7/2/00 6:30 pm (ET) SPOILER BOOK4 Opening Paragraph W A R N I N G Do Not Continue Reading unless you want to spoil the surprise... S P O I L E R Are you sure you want to read this? S P O I L E R Last Chance... to opt out... S P O I L E R Ok... so here it is, the First Paragraph of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: 'The villager of Little Hangleton still called it "the Riddle House," even though it had been many years since the Riddle family had lived there. It stood on a hill over looking the village, some of its windows boarded, tiles missing from the roof, and ivy spread unchecked over its face. Once a fine-looking manor, and easily the largest and grandest building for miles around, the Riddle House was now damp, derelict and unoccupied.' - From the Mail on Sunday, July 2nd 2000. Nick. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3216 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3214] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 6:32 pm (ET) Sorry, I just repeated what Suzanne said... so it's doubly true! Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3217 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3213] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 6:44 pm (ET) > I had always assumed that this was a picture of Dumbledore. I don't have any reason for thinking that.... I think it is supposed to be a picture of Dumbledore (altho' not very accurate) because it is wearing the same clothes as the picture of Dumbledore in Philosopher's Stone UK Book Reverse picture 13 of 15 in Harry Potter illustrations folder in this club's Photo section. ALtho' I do not believe that Dumbledore wears striped trousers (like a diplomat in a cartoon) and and 18th century coat under his robe ... the UK one at last HAS the robe, and the long white beard and hair, and a brocade tunic under the 18th century coat which brings me back to the question of what wizards wear under their robes. We see Harry choosing a t-shirt to wear under his Quidditch robe, but was that t-shirt underwear or outerwear? i.e. was it worn with drawers or jeans? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:48:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: The Ouroboros Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3218 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The Ouroboros Reply To: [Yahoo! #3212] The Ouroboros Date: 7/2/00 6:48 pm (ET) > Someone asked awhile back what an Ouroboros is. (snip) I found these pictures on the same website where someone else found nfo on Nicholas Flamel. http://www.alchemylab.com/ouroboros.htm I love the Ouroboros pictures, but the word just means the Serpent Swallowing Its Own Tail, which is an ancient Greek symbol for Infinity (so the one folded into a figure-eight is a pun, because a figure-eight on its side is a modern symbol for infinity). There is a famous adult fantasy trilogy named THE WORM OUROBOROS, but I found the first paragraph so dull that I never got past it. From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Sun Jul 2 22:50:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:50:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3219 From: lilly_potter Subject: Re: Breaking News Reply To: [Yahoo! #3186] Re: Breaking News Date: 7/2/00 6:50 pm (ET) Fairfax is in northern Viginia. Christina Chester, VA. US. From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 01:49:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: The Ouroboros Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3220 From: davehoz Subject: Re: The Ouroboros Reply To: [Yahoo! #3212] The Ouroboros Date: 7/2/00 9:49 pm (ET) I forgot about Hermione seeing the Ouroboros. The way it come up on this list is that I speculated that the reason Dumbledore says that You-Know-Who is the last *ancestor* of Salazaar Slytherin is that Voldemort went back in time and fathered SS who then gave rise to the line that lead to V, creating an infinite "Ouroboros" loop. (And this would also be the reason Slytherin's insignia is a serpent.) I know the theory is a bit crazy and the word "ancestor" is almost certainly simply a typo in the earliest printings of _HP&CoS_; but still I had fun thinking it up... :) From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 02:05:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Harry - the name Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3221 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Harry - the name Reply To: [Yahoo! #3023] Harry - the name Date: 7/2/00 10:05 pm (ET) I have to agree with Neil's theory on Harry being his full name. The whole bit about using someone's full name when you yell at them makes soooo much sense. It's probably the only time as a child I ever heard my middle name being used! So, Neil, what DOES your mother call you when she's annoyed? BTW, love your sense of humour. Sheryll From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 02:05:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3222 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Reply To: [Yahoo! #3215] Re: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Date: 7/2/00 10:05 pm (ET) Even though I tried very hard not to hear the kid who got HP4 the other day read the 1st sentence, I did hear a bit of it and it did not sound like that. Guess we'll see for ourselves on Sat. Trina From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 03:14:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3223 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3214] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/2/00 11:14 pm (ET) <<BTW, Catlady and I just noticed where Norevoli's name comes from...!>> Sorry, had to stick in that Erised bit when I was making up my HP name. Actually I think Skimmel gets the credit for discovering first. Well now you know who I would like to survive by the book's end, I'm very fearful for him in this coming book... From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 03:47:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:47:00 -0400 Subject: I can't believe it! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3224 From: S_Ings Subject: I can't believe it! Date: 7/2/00 11:47 pm (ET) I finally caught up on reading all the posts. Do remind me not to be away from my computer for days on end again in the future. Fat chance of that however, I'm a festival organizer and it starts on the 7th. I'm completely and totally envious of all who will be getting books and attending events this weekend. As a virtually unemployed researcher, there are just no funds here for books and with the festival this weekend, no time to anything else. At least it will probably be quiet (for posts) over the weekend, with all of you busy reading! Perhaps I won't have so much to catch up on if I miss a day or two! Sheryll From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 04:58:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:58:00 -0400 Subject: What's under the robes? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3225 From: pt4ever Subject: re: What's under the robes? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3217] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/3/00 12:58 am (ET) >>> which brings me back to the question of what wizards wear under their robes. We see Harry choosing a t-shirt to wear under his Quidditch robe, but was that t-shirt underwear or outerwear? i.e. was it worn with drawers or jeans? >>> On page 110 of Sorcerer's Stone (U.S. edition) it says that Ron and Harry "took off their jackets and pulled on their long black robes." It doesn't say that they took off their jeans or T-shirts. So, I'm willing to bet that the robes are worn over "normal" clothing -- i.e. jeans and T-shirts. -- JoAnna From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 12:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 08:49:00 -0400 Subject: What's under the robes? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3226 From: hert0661 Subject: re: What's under the robes? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3225] re: What's under the robes? Date: 7/3/00 8:49 am (ET) " It doesn't say that they took off their jeans or T-shirts. So, I'm willing to bet that the robes are worn over "normal" clothing -- i.e. jeans and T-shirts. This confused me as they asked Hermione to leave 'while they got changed'. Why was this needed if all they did was take off a coat (jacket) and put on a robe? However, I have always assumed they wore normal clothes with a robe on top. The only problem is that it must be very hot in the middle of summer! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 12:54:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: Daily Mail and squid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3227 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Daily Mail and squid Reply To: [Yahoo! #3222] Re: Mail on Sunday? Where can I read thi Date: 7/3/00 8:54 am (ET) There is a bluffers guide to HP in todays paper. In this JKR says that she had the final chapter of book 7 lying around the home until recently when she decided it would be bettr kept elsewhere! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_813000/813394.stm The above is the link to a story on a Giant Squid that has been washed up in Antartica. Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 12:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 08:58:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3228 From: plinsenmayer Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 8:58 am (ET) Hi: I'm still outraged, so I'm going to vent! I read yet another article this morning on harrypotteranonymous that indicates that the NY Times has created a separate children's bestseller list, starting July 23rd. I think *I'm* so very upset by this because I don't know if I would have ever read the HP books in the first place *but for* their phenomenal track record on the NY Times Bestseller List. That was the real catalyst for me buying the books for myself. Sure, I might have heard about them eventually from other adults. But, would I have given the recommendation the same credence absent their presence on the bestseller lists? Maybe . . Besides, these books are going to be eventually geared more & more to an aging audience (if not fully adult audience). I could make a strong argument that Books 1-2 are really the only ones that could be truly said to be geared for that 9-12 age group. If Book IV sells, oh 10 million copies, this year, how many of those copies would you imagine would be bought by adults for themselves or other adults? I would think at *least* 50%. So, how can they justify only putting the book on a "children's bestseller list"? Shouldn't it really go on *both* lists??? I can't help but wonder how many copies #5 - #10 on this "children's bestseller list" will have sold (the 4 HP books will obviously take the top 4 slots). Why don't they just create a HP List? It's going to be a joke -- there will be such an incredible gap between #4 and #5 in terms of copies of sold! Plus, if there's been no need for a "children's bestseller" list up to now, why would there be a need for one after 2004-2005? Or, can't you just forsee the 7 HP books just being perpetually in the top 7 slots -- it's possible. Okay, I could rant on and on and on . . . I did write and mail my protest letter a couple of weeks ago. I could locate the message # where I posted it again if anyone else is interested. Or, maybe I'm the only one who is really stirred up by this subject. <g> Penny From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 13:07:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3229 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3090] Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/3/00 9:07 am (ET) "Anyway, apparently some store in NY had accidentally set out a copy and they sold it (how stupid would the bookstore clerk have had to be??). " This has totally confused me. I was reading in the paper yesterday about the security precautions in place for the book. Armoured vans to transport it to the shops. Why did this shop have the books so early? If security is that important then sending the books out as late as possible is the only option. Why when the books arrived were they not transfered directly into a safe or secure area? This is sounding more like a publicity stunt each time I hear it. The title and covers come out two weeks before. A couple of copies get leaked a week early. The story hasn't left the news in days. JKR seems to be in every paper and on each news programme. Some of the most inspired publicity ever, get the press to chase around and advertise the book for you. The reports have it that she will make 10million UK pounds next week. Not a bad return! It is about here that I wish I could write a good book, or series! Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 14:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: What's under the robes? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3230 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: re: What's under the robes? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3226] re: What's under the robes? Date: 7/3/00 10:23 am (ET) "This confused me as they asked Hermione to leave 'while they got changed'." Perhaps they just wanted rid of her? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 14:25:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3231 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3228] NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 10:25 am (ET) "NY Times has created a separate children's bestseller list, starting July 23rd." I think it's pretty stupid too! In fact, the same thing has *already* happened in the UK. I'm not sure which list it was, but they pushed it off the adult list. It was in 1997, I think. It's crazy... Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 15:21:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3232 From: Danemead Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3228] NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 11:21 am (ET) Yes, it's massively unfair. However, who's going to have the last laugh? JKR will make millions, the publishers will make millions, the bookstores will make millions, other children's book authors are benefitting from the renewed interest in fantasy books, and there is so much publicity that you'd have to be lost in Siberia not to have heard about Harry Potter by this time next week. It's a petty trick that's being played on a successful author, but it ain't gonna stop the Potter avalanche now! From houston425 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 15:32:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3233 From: houston425 Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3228] NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 11:32 am (ET) >>> Or, maybe I'm the only one who is really stirred up by this subject. <g> <<< No, you are not the only person who gets stirred up by this. I think this all starts out with the label "children's book". Children are *not* the only people reading this series (as well all know.) I have yet to see a television news report that mentions that there are adult readers of the series. The most I've seen is "parents are reading this book to their children and enjoying it." Nothing about adult readers who are reading the book because they want to read it. I know I'm going to see a lot more Harry Potter on the airwaves (CBS News yesterday and another CNN report this morning) but I will be disappointed if they don't mention the adult readers, which they haven't so far. I just don't know where they think all of these books have gone. Do they *truly* believe that only kids are buying up all these books, or adults are buying these books *only* for their children? Am I going to be the only adult without a child Friday night at the bookstore?? And that's the whole problem. This book came out as a "children's book" and that's the label that got stuck to it and these people (NY Times, media outlets, Muggles in general) can't change that label in their mind. Why can't it be just a book that children AND adults enjoy reading. A book that deserves to be on the NY Times bestseller list. Laurie (sorry... I know I'm preaching to the choir! But hey... I'm a choir director so that's my job!! <g>) From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 15:43:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3234 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3233] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 11:43 am (ET) Let's start a letter-writing campaign to the NY Times! Maybe if enough of us protest, they'll reconsider. I did some checking, and here's the e-mail address for Letters to the Editor: letters at nytimes.com A letter-writing campaign saved Star Trek about thirty-some years ago; maybe it can stop the NY Times from forming a best-seller list for children's books because of the jealousy of so-called "adult" authors. *shrug* Just a thought! -- JoAnna From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 15:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3235 From: Danemead Subject: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Date: 7/3/00 11:54 am (ET) I just noticed that Yahoo doesn't have a folder to post files. I was going to post this article, but it's too long. It states that 43% of the books purchased are read by adults. That doesn't count all the copies that are borrowed from libraries or friends and relatives. http://www.nandotimes.com/entertainment/ DEEPTI HAJELA: I'm 26 and I love 'Harry Potter' The Associated Press NEW YORK (July 1, 2000 6:34 p.m. EDT From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 16:27:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3236 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #3090] Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/3/00 12:27 pm (ET) >You were right about the cover Skimmel -- I'll >eat my words now I guess. <g> The coverart on >Amazon's site has been right all along (ok, so >I'm definitely not happy with the cover). Penny, Apologies and consumption of untasty words are not required. It does feel odd though. Going through all that secrecy rigmarole and then releasing the actual cover. Publishers generally have several candidate covers and I honestly thought this was one of the rejects. As for the "accidental" sales... no way is that an accident. Look at the publicity it generated. Scholastic could hardly have bought that kind of coverage and here it is for free. I only wonder why they thought they needed it. They're going to sell every copy they could print before the first of August. Even those of us who routinely avoid this kind of opening crush and won't get our copies until mid July won't be affected. My best guess is that they are going for even broader market penetration. And I'm probably in the minority here but I actually like the cover. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 16:55:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3237 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3232] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 12:55 pm (ET) What makes you think they'll remove it from the adult list? Personally - if Harry Potter book are going to be geared more at adults (I don't think they should, ut I don't know what the implications of this would be) - and adults are buying them, maybe it's a good idea they are on the adults list. Having a childrens list seems like a good idea to me, the easier it is for us kids to find a good book (I can never find books easily) - the more of us will be reading later on in life. This can only be good for Harry Potter after all (IMHO). Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:03:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3238 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3232] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 1:03 pm (ET) Sorry to post a second reply to this messag - I just got all of the other replies sent to me now, but why is it important for people to be aware that you are reading this? I mean, I can't imagine this annoying people. I read this great series of books, called the Mennyms (probably a bad spelling) and that is advertised as a childrens book, however - in Italy and other countries, it gets adult book status, and different covers. So does Harry Potter - there are a set of really Dull covers over here in the UK, so that adults like you lot can read them on the train free of embarassment, and after all - they ave ben written with children in mind. You even said yourself, that the news report said "Adults are reading these to their Children AND Enjoying them". Sorry about this little rant - I don't understand you proper Grown-Ups sometimes ;-) Nicholas From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3239 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3229] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/3/00 1:30 pm (ET) <<Anyway, apparently some store in NY had accidentally set out a copy and they sold it (how stupid would the bookstore clerk have had to be??).>> <<<<This has totally confused me>>>> Me too. Are we expected to believe that someone who works in a bookshop would not know the significance of Harry Potter books? It's inconceivable, even if it were their very first day at work and they were, by chance, also a complete imbecile who had been living in a cave since 1996. Imagine the scene: Every day, the bookshop worker has to edge past a massive, cardboard model of Hogwarts Castle, emblazoned with the words "Harry Potter 4 - COMING SOON," past chest-high stacks of JK Rowling's collected works to date, and past a jaunty collage of wizards hats and broomsticks created by local schoolchildren. One day, the worker arrives at work and stumbles across something in the stock room: "Why, here are eight lonely copies of the new Harry Potter book. Why don't I put them out front under that sign that says, 'BUY BOOK 4 HERE - 8th JULY!'?" thinks the worker, before beetling into the shop, arranging the books neatly, and returning to stare into blank space, dribbling thoughtfully. ******************* On the other hand, if there were originally 100 books on display in that shop, and the guy bought his daughter one of the last few, it's also rather unlikely that we would have heard *so* little about the book. Funny, eh, that we've just been teased with the chapter titles and a hint of text? COME OFF IT!!!! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:46:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3240 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3238] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 1:46 pm (ET) "...why is it important for people to be aware that you are reading this?" I think the point here is that the Harry Potter books should appear in the bestseller lists *and* the children's bestseller lists, not just the latter. If HP4 sells the most copies it *is* the best selling book, no? JK Rowling has said she wrote the Harry Potter books for herself, but they happen to be very good reading for children, and she does acknowledge that. I don't know about any of the other silly old Grown Ups in here, but I'm quite happy reading 'children's' books on the train to work. ;) Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: Off-topic Re: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3241 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Off-topic Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3240] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 1:49 pm (ET) > I don't know about any of the other silly old Grown Ups in here, but I'm quite happy reading 'children's' books on the train to work. The only book I can recall being embarrassed to read on the bus or train to work was one titled something like SEX AROUND THE WORLD. I removed the dust jacket with its ten x lifesize photo of a female human breast. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:56:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Separate bestseller lists Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3242 From: triner2001 Subject: Separate bestseller lists Date: 7/3/00 1:56 pm (ET) Disney flicks routinely make a killing at the box office and they don't separate Top 10 movies into "adults" and "children" A best seller means just that: It sells! Trina From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 17:59:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Off-topic: Pease Porridge, Pease Pudding Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3243 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Off-topic: Pease Porridge, Pease Pudding Date: 7/3/00 1:59 pm (ET) Yesterday in the chat room I mentioned a piece of trivia I "know": that our beloved New England baked beans were called Pease Porridge back in Colonial times. Neil politely murmured some concern about split peas. So I have been Web searching, first on Pease Porridge and then on Pease Pudding, and my first finding is that he is correct: ALL the recipes for pease porridge and pease pudding are made of split peas, not pinto beans or black beans. Another discovery was that Pease Porridge is the 'pease porridge hot' of the nursery rhyme and Pease Pudding is the 'pease porridge cold'. And I found two bunches of FUNNY info. One is a history of pease pudding: There seems to have been pease pudding ("Pease porrige hot") as long as there's been an England -- although, as C. Anne Wilson dryly notes in Food and Drink in Britain, it was probably not all that much enjoyed until salt was available to season it. There is no dating the moment when some inspired British cook thought to make the porridge into a pudding by tying it up in a sack and boiling this with pickled pork. As the peas swelled, they drew in some of the succulent fat and the savory cooking water, with its delicate taste of pork, salt, and cooking spice. (Unlike ham, British picked pork is not smoked or dried, and so its subsequently much milder flavor does not overpower the simple pea-and-herb taste of the pudding.) The taste of pea and pork proved so compelling in combination that by the time of James I, a common street cry was "Hot grey peas and a suck of bacon!" -- with the purchaser receiving literally that, for the piece of meat was tied to a string, and the vendor quickly yanked it out of any mouth that was taking more than the paid-for taste. And the second Finally has a Tangential relationship to our Topic: a community newsgroup that is full of names suitable for JKR to collect. I don't know how many of the names are Authentic, and when I read the following thread, I thought it was for sure a hoax until I read other threads on the site: http://www.sunderland.com/forum/messages/823.html From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 18:16:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3244 From: Danemead Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3238] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 2:16 pm (ET) I don't think most adults are ashamed or embarrassed to be reading children's stories, including HP. We're angry because the NY Times wants to ban Potter books from the adult bestseller list. Even though the books are far outselling the rest of the top 10, they don't want the so-called "adult" books penalized, or losing their chance to be Number One. One of the Big Secrets of Happiness is to be independent of the good opinion of others. We don't give a hoot what others think when they see us reading a 'children's book'. From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 18:30:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:30:00 -0400 Subject: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3245 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3193] Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Date: 7/3/00 2:30 pm (ET) <<How hard can it be to track an animal? Is this another case of something being a lot more complicated in the wizard world?>> If you can track an Owl across the Dorset Country sid I will Be most impresed! (Dont fall off Durdle Door) I suppose it would be like trying to track sombody who has used the special powder to go somwhere by way of the Chimney. Unless you Know where they plan to go You cant posibly concentraite on that place to follow them. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 18:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3246 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3239] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/3/00 2:40 pm (ET) >>>>Are we expected to believe that someone who works in a bookshop would not know the significance of Harry Potter books? I can believe it. Remember, although the Harry Potter books have sold over 10 million copies in the U.S., there are over 275 million people in this country. The vast majority of people here in the U.S. do not read very much. According to surveys, there are many millions of people in the U.S. who have never read a book in their lives and dont read newspapers. 20 to 25% of the adults in the U.S. are functionally illiterate -- which means they can read things like STOP signs but can not read well enough to understand a job application form. There is a very low unemployment rate now in the U.S., especially in the Washington DC area, and so only very low-skilled workers are generally applying for low-paying jobs, such as in bookstores. I live in DC; my local video store has an illiterate clerk who can not read the movie titles; my local Warner Brothers store has several clerks who had never heard of Harry Potter when I asked when they would start stocking the HP merchandise -- so I have no trouble believing that my local bookstore employs people who have no idea what Harry Potter is all about! The U.S. may be the richest and most powerful country in the world, and many Americans also believe it is the greatest (whatever that means) but the fact is we have the highest poverty rates among developed nations, the worst medical care and health statistics for poor people, and the worst literacy rates. We have tremendous wealth in this country, but we use it to buy cell phones and massage therapy for our dogs and perfume rather than bother to educate our children or feed the hungry. And when something like Harry Potter comes along which is actually getting children to read, we have right-wing, book-burning lunatics who are opposed to it! [Sorry for the rant; I know I am probably preaching to the converted -- I think everyone here loves books and reading and is aware of the many problems in the world -- but sometimes I get so FURIOUS!!!!!!] From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 18:59:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3247 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3217] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/3/00 2:59 pm (ET) The Back cover of my UK copy of PS has said 'mystery mam' on it ( brown beard, book & buldge.) & not Dumbledore as shown in 'photos'. The clouths are Different. Only the trousers & feet position are the same. (?almost as thought the same 'template' was used for bouth pictures!) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 19:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3248 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3237] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 3:03 pm (ET) Hi: <<<What makes you think they'll remove it from the adult list?>>> That's the whole point! They've caved in to pressure from other publishers who are upset because the HP books take up 3 (soon to be 4) slots on the NY Times list. Most papers only publish the top 10, so the John Grishams, Danielle Steeles, etc. have only 6/7 slots. But, if you remove HP, well, there you go. There can now be a slot for the next dime store legal thriller or bodice-ripper that appeals to the American public. Nicholas -- the whole reason for this issue is that they are creating the Children's list so as to free up space on the "main (read adult)" bestseller list. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 19:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3249 From: plinsenmayer Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 3:09 pm (ET) Hi: If anyone does want to write a letter (and I hope we *all* do so maybe they will reconsider the decision to take HP off the main list), my original postings are at Messages 2510 and 2511. Penny From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 19:15:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3250 From: norevoli Subject: Chat time Date: 7/3/00 3:15 pm (ET) When is it that we have chat time?? I remember waaaay back when it was mentioned that we do have a set chat time. Maybe we should have one on Friday? (well actually maybe Thursday would be better as everyone will be mobbing around their local book stores to get their copies once 12:01 hits.) norevoli From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 19:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3251 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chat time Reply To: [Yahoo! #3250] Chat time Date: 7/3/00 3:21 pm (ET) > When is it that we have chat time? This Sunday it was 2 to 4 pm Pacific Daylight Time. That should be 5 to 7 pm Eastern Daylight time. I think Neil said something about 10 pm to 1 am in UK? I'm afraid that chats on weeknights would be separate chats for separate time zones. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 19:44:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3252 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3234] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 3:44 pm (ET) DOne my bit - I actually managed a short, sweet letter/email to the email address - thanks for letting me know what it was...How does this sound? I am surprised and disappointed to hear that you are changing the bestseller list into two separate lists for Children and Adults, according to some circles, it is because JK Rowling's "Harry Potter" books are taking up too much space. I thought the definition of a best seller was a book (or anything else) that outsold the rest, and to categorize just to make more space for the latest dime-store romance is outright wrong. If Ms. Rowling books outsell the likes of John Grisham, Danielle Steele and Michael Crichton - all of whom I admire - then her books should be top of the best seller list period. I thought more highly of this publication before it bowed so obviously to pressure from publishers. Yours Sincerely, Mrs. A Rawa, Baltimore, MD appologies to phrases borrowed from the group discussion - y'all are so much better at words than me! From houston425 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 20:39:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3253 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Chat time Reply To: [Yahoo! #3251] Re: Chat time Date: 7/3/00 4:39 pm (ET) >>>This Sunday it was 2 to 4 pm Pacific Daylight Time.<<< Sunday chat is listed in the calendar as being from 2 to 4 p.m. Eastern Daylight time. Has that changed? From houston425 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 20:41:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: Laugh Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3254 From: houston425 Subject: Laugh Date: 7/3/00 4:41 pm (ET) I thought ya'll might get a laugh out of this. It was posted on one of the Harry Potter boards on AOL. <<Lastly: my granddaughter is 13, and she loves HP, too. We have conversations about his adventures. When I presented her first UK edition, she hopped up and down for a bit and then exclaimed, "Look, Mother! It's Harry Potter in ENGLISH!">> From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 20:43:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3255 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chat time Reply To: [Yahoo! #3251] Re: Chat time Date: 7/3/00 4:43 pm (ET) "This Sunday it was 2 to 4 pm Pacific Daylight Time. That should be 5 to 7 pm Eastern Daylight time. I think Neil said something about 10 pm to 1 am in UK?" I believe it started earlier than this as I was around from 9-10pm (UK time). It normally starts around 8pm UK time which I believe is 2pm EDT. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 20:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:48:00 -0400 Subject: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3256 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3245] Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Date: 7/3/00 4:48 pm (ET) "If you can track an Owl across the Dorset Country sid I will Be most impresed! (Dont fall off Durdle Door)" There must be simple ways of fixing some device to an owl that you can then track. Maybe my mind is being clouded by PoU! If I was going to fall off I would go further down the coast to Beachy Head! I think the Dorset countryside would be easier as there are fewer people to get in the way or muggles to spot a wizard/witch. "Unless you Know where they plan to go You cant posibly concentraite on that place to follow them." But the point is that they did have a rough idea of where they were trying to find him. They knew he was near Hogwarts, leaving only a small area in which to search for him. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:00:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3257 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3239] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/3/00 5:00 pm (ET) "Are we expected to believe that someone who works in a bookshop would not know the significance of Harry Potter books?" Even if they did not know about the Harry Potter phenomenon then as it was supposedly a large chain store then the manager should have warned them about it. The stores were warned and should have acted to stop this sort of thing from happening. Scholastic has said they will receive no further HP books if the are found to have sold this one early. A major chain would not risk this happening. They would have put safe guards in place. Also eight copies were supposedly on the shelf. Two have been accounted for. Where are the rest? Why have we heard nothing about them? Why, unless for finacial reasons, have this family come forward with there copy of the book? Why now say they will not sell it? They seem to be setting themselves up for a break in as their names and home town have been in the press. Simon From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:07:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3258 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Reply To: [Yahoo! #3235] 43% of buyers/readers are adults Date: 7/3/00 5:07 pm (ET) Could not find the article you refer to... but did find the one about Wal-Mart selling Book 4. I'm not surprised that 43% of books are brought by adults... in fact, I suspect the real figure is far greater - for instance, all sales on the net are sales to adults, as children don't have credit/debit cards. Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:18:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3259 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Reply To: [Yahoo! #3258] Re: 43% of buyers/readers are adults Date: 7/3/00 5:18 pm (ET) "I'm not surprised that 43% of books are brought by adults... in fact, I suspect the real figure is far greater - for instance, all sales on the net are sales to adults, as children don't have credit/debit cards." Yes but just because someone has brought the book does not mean they have read it. It would be good to know the adult / child read ratio. This would, however, lead us back to defining what a 'grown-up' or a 'child' is! Having said that most adults that I know who have got the books have them for themselves. Also most get lent to many people. I am not sure if children would be so willing to lend their copies. Simon (who is about to start a reading of all three books in time for the new one being released) From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:35:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3260 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3252] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/3/00 5:35 pm (ET) I don't get the chance to see the NY Times very often. If your email (or one similar) is printed, with any kind of response, please let us all know what they said! Nikki From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:44:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: The article, Part 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3261 From: Danemead Subject: The article, Part 1 Date: 7/3/00 5:44 pm (ET) The actual address of the article takes up nearly 3 lines, which is why I didn't post it. However, I can try posting the whole thing in parts. Here is part 1: http://www.nandotimes.com/entertainment/ DEEPTI HAJELA: I'm 26 and I love 'Harry Potter' The Associated Press NEW YORK (July 1, 2000 6:34 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - I'm a book fiend. I devour words the way some people inhale chocolate. So my friends sometimes turn to me when they need a good read. My friend Bo's busy life had restricted his reading to newspapers and magazines and he wanted to change that, to add some substance and expand his mind. So during one telephone conversation, he asked me what I'd read recently that I'd really loved. "Oh, have I got the books for you," I gushed. "You have to read this series, it's SO GOOD, I've been recommending it to EVERYONE!" I went on and on about the series until he interrupted me and asked me what books I was talking about. "Harry Potter," I said. Silence. Then he laughed. He asked if I remembered how old I was. Yes, actually, I'm 26. No, I don't have any kids or younger siblings to justify why I bought all three Harry Potter books at once - and read them all in a day and a half. And, yes, I can hardly wait to read "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," which hit bookstores Saturday. I admit it. I'm an adult who loves Harry Potter. But I'm not the only one: 43 percent of the millions of Potter books sold last year were read by people over age 14. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:45:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: The article, Part 2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3262 From: Danemead Subject: The article, Part 2 Date: 7/3/00 5:45 pm (ET) Part 2 of the AP article: I don't know why these children books appeal to other grown-ups, but I know why they've captured me. Partly it's because I've just never outgrown my taste for magical adventure. "The Chronicles of Narnia," the Oz books, "The Lord of the Rings" - I've read them all. As a 6-year-old, I'd sit on the staircase with a book in my hand, locked in my own private world. I couldn't even hear my parents call my name from a few feet away because I was in Oz with Dorothy and the Scarecrow. I still turn to fantasy as often as possible, be it Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series or anything by Terry Pratchett. How can you not love a fairy tale? A story where anything is possible, where people do things beyond the ordinary? When was the last time you met someone who, like Harry, can talk to snakes in their own language? Haven't you secretly always wanted a magical power? I have. Imagine what I could do if I could be invisible, like Harry. There's plenty of magic in these books - spells, mythical creatures, wands. But that's not what draws me the most. Fundamentally, J.K. Rowling is a great storyteller. These may be labeled children's books, but that doesn't mean they're simple or uncomplicated. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 21:46:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:46:00 -0400 Subject: The article, Part 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3263 From: Danemead Subject: The article, Part 3 Date: 7/3/00 5:46 pm (ET) Part 3 of the AP article: Harry doesn't start out as a happy little boy. When Rowling introduces him, Harry has just been orphaned by his parents' murder. He lives with relatives who loathe him. And even when he escapes to the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, his troubles don't disappear. There are students he hates, a professor who hates him, and attempts on his life by the evil wizard who killed his parents. There are class issues, with rich Draco Malfoy constantly belittling Harry's poor friend Ron Weasley, and "race" issues between pureblood wizards and those born to "Muggle," or non-magical, parents. There are issues of conscience. Often, Harry has to break a raft of school rules - or even risk his life - to do what he thinks is right. And Rowling doesn't shy away from showing that actions have consequences, that even when Harry is right, he can be punished for breaking the rules. It may sound silly, but I think the books are somewhat inspiring. Harry isn't perfect. He's good at certain things, like Quidditch, the popular flying sport in the magical world. But he's not the smartest student and manages sometimes to make everyone mad. Rowling makes him human; he has faults, fears and struggles. Who can't relate to that? The Potter books are so good because they're so real. So laugh if you like when you see me with Harry Potter in hand. You have no idea what you're missing. THE END! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 22:09:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3264 From: babynick34 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/3/00 6:09 pm (ET) Hi all Here in the UK, Carlton TV have a live debate about the Harry Potter books which is on at 23:30 BST. I will try to record the audio incase any of you who miss it (or can't watch due to location) want to know what happened. Nick From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 23:21:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:21:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3265 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Carlton Late Night Live Reply To: [Yahoo! #3264] Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/3/00 7:21 pm (ET) Some links for if you are interested in the discussion that was on London TV tonight: Message Forum - do join in! http://www.carlton.com/static/latenightlive/guestbook.html Listen to the debate... using RealAudio (sorry, not streaming) Part 1 - http://www.broomsticks.org/audio/hp1.rm Part 2 - http://www.broomsticks.org/audio/hp2.rm Nick. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 3 23:48:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:48:00 -0400 Subject: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3266 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3256] Re: Owls / pre-orders of B4 Date: 7/3/00 7:48 pm (ET) >>They knew he was near Hogwarts<< Yes, they did know that, but they HAD NO IDEA he was an Animagus and was lurking about in dog form. Can owls find a wizard/witch who is in his/her animal form? Given that they were unable to find him, apparently not. Trina From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 01:45:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:45:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3267 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat time Reply To: [Yahoo! #3255] Re: Chat time Date: 7/3/00 9:45 pm (ET) "This Sunday it was 2 to 4 pm Pacific Daylight Time. That should be 5 to 7 pm Eastern Daylight time. I think Neil said something about 10 pm to 1 am in UK?" Um, did I say that? Actually, Simon is right - one of the chat sessions is scheduled for Sundays, 2pm-4pm EDT, in the Calendar (see right frame), which equates to 8pm-10pm UK time. However, I believe that when Nick posted it, he meant 3pm-5pm EDT (9pm-11pm UK time) so most people join in then, and it sometimes goes on past closing time ["Hi, Catlady!" ;)] Neil Confused? You will be... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 01:58:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Lurking in in 'the other place' Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3268 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Lurking in in 'the other place' Date: 7/3/00 9:58 pm (ET) I joined harrypotteranonymous quite recently, so I've been lurking there, just reading the e-mails each day (I haven't found the energy to plough through the archives yet). My impression is that it's a bit more UK-oriented than this club, but it's also much quieter than this club (except yesterday, when there was a flurry of activity for some reason). However, a warning to anyone thinking of joining that list - some of the members are not very careful about posting with spoiler messages! Someone who works in a bookshop claimed to have read GoF, and then slipped in a small fact that she could have kept to herself [I note that our Founder, Penny, followed this up with a comment!] The poster was saying, though, that many bookshops had the books on Wednesday and, at hers, they were allowed to look at the books for a day before they got taken back. I daren't open my e-mails now... Neil From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:00:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Chat time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3269 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Chat time Reply To: [Yahoo! #3267] Re: Chat time Date: 7/3/00 10:00 pm (ET) OK... wondered what happened.. I was there at 12pm PDT, and then Trina showed up and we chatted for awhile till others wandered in.. ha!! Will look for some of you next Sunday.. at least those who are not busy reading HP4.. It was fun.. Dennis & Diann From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:03:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Subject: UK GoF on display, in broad daylight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3270 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: UK GoF on display, in broad daylight Date: 7/3/00 10:03 pm (ET) I am reliably informed that Borders, Charing Cross Road, London has a copy of "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" on dislay in its window. My source reckons it's a proof copy of the book, most likely supplied by the publisher, Bloomsbury, which has its offices near the shop. I haven't seen it myself, but I'll check it out tonight. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:17:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3271 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3247] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/3/00 10:17 pm (ET) "The Back cover of my UK copy of PS has said 'mystery mam' on it ( brown beard, book & buldge.) & not Dumbledore as shown in 'photos'." So, perhaps we can conclude that this was meant to be Dumbledore, until someone pointed out that he doesn't have brown hair? Perhaps you have an earlier edition of the book (mine is quite recent - the 44th printing since 1997). Neil From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:18:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3272 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: Carlton Late Night Live Reply To: [Yahoo! #3265] Re: Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/3/00 10:18 pm (ET) I couldn't listen to more than a minute of that shrew belittling the series. I'm usually able to debate points with people, but listening to this bozo rattle on about how the books weren't very good because they were "old-fashioned" made me want to scream, and screaming at a real-audio recording is pretty pointless. :) Good luck to the rest of you! :) Jarnor23 From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:26:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3273 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Carlton Late Night Live Reply To: [Yahoo! #3272] Re: Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/3/00 10:26 pm (ET) Where is this real audio media, please? Nicholas From houston425 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:37:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3274 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Carlton Late Night Live Reply To: [Yahoo! #3273] Re: Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/3/00 10:37 pm (ET) >>Where is this real audio media, please?<< You can go to http://www.real.com to download the real player for free. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3275 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Date: 7/3/00 10:48 pm (ET) Just to prove I'm *really* bored waiting for GoF, I've totted up the number of posts in this club for the last month or so (based on EDT time zone). Here are the figures: - Date .........No. Posts 2/7 ......... 60 1/7 ......... 60 30/6 ........ 46 29/6 ........ 34 28/6 ........ 88 27/6 ........ 56 26/6 ........ 54 25/6 ........ 58 24/6 ........ 49 23/6 ........ 93 22/6 ........ 81 21/6 ........ 90 20/6 ........ 96 19/6 ........ 149 18/6 ........ 86 17/6 ........ 44 16/6 ........ 46 15/6 ........ 80 14/6 ........ 49 13/6 ........ 27 12/6 ........ 24 11/6 ........ 33 10/6 ........ 23 9/6 ......... 47 8/6 ......... 51 7/6 ......... 56 6/6 ......... 21 5/6 ......... 15 4/6 ......... 8 3/6 ......... 15 2/6 ......... 39 1/6 ......... 6 Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 02:59:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: Lurking in in 'the other place' Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3276 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Lurking in in 'the other place' Reply To: [Yahoo! #3268] Lurking in in 'the other place' Date: 7/3/00 10:59 pm (ET) It wasn't a small fact, it was a major spoiler! I think it was just a new person who didn't know the rules, however. But I was pretty steamed to read how casually the booksellers are handling the "secrecy" -- it's a joke. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that half the country has read the book by the time it's "officially" on sale. >>>>However, a warning to anyone thinking of joining that list - some of the members are not very careful about posting with spoiler messages! Someone who works in a bookshop claimed to have read GoF, and then slipped in a small fact that she could have kept to herself [I note that our Founder, Penny, followed this up with a comment!]<<<<< From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 03:10:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:10:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3277 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3271] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/3/00 11:10 pm (ET) <<So perhaps we can conclude that this was meant to be Dumbledore, until someone pointed out that he doesn't have brown hair?>> It's just such a big mistake though, if it were to be Dumbledore. He really doesn't look at all like him. Except, I have to say, that I like the eye area: between the brow and actually including the nose except that it should look crooked. It seems so alive to me and its just exactly what I thought Dumbledore would have in his eyes, a sort of vitality. (or it could be just my imagination) But it fits that it would be Nicolas Flamel. After the research that someone did on the Philosopher's stone and that jewish legend with the book, (thank you to whoever managed to find that info on Flamel by the way!) And we really don't know anything about Nicolas Flamel, so he could like to smoke a pipe and could have very bad taste in pants, we would have nothing to tell us otherwise! And it would explain the lump in his pocket to be the Philosopher's Stone. Do you think it could be a subtle hint by Rowling of the ending of the book, you know, with the stone dropping into Harry's pocket and everything... Well I'm convinced, and maybe my soul can rest having at least a plausible identity to this guy, i've been wondering for the longest time norevoli From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 03:34:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Belittling Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3278 From: triner2001 Subject: Belittling Harry Date: 7/3/00 11:34 pm (ET) I haven't listened to the debate yet, but I was reminded of an article posted on salon.com entitled "Harry Potter's Girl Problems" (or some such nonsense) that went on a rant about how all the girls in the HP books were restrained in traditional roles--the librarian, nurse, gardening, and on the sidelines of the adventures. The author also went on a tear on Hermione being the stereotypical nerdy-type girl who wasn't all that respected by the boys (I can only assume the woman meant Harry and Ron) and needed rescuing (troll in the toilet, I presume). When all was said and done, she was *very* ugly about the HP books. I was quite revolted at the need to through hyper-feministic morals on what is essentially a ripping good yarn. She also failed to notice that Hermione's uber-geek tendencies help in the mystery solving, that 3/7 Gryffindor Quidditch team members are female and are the ones who score all but 150 of the points, and that the deputy headmistress is Minvera McGonagall, a very strong female character! Sorry about the rant. Trina From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 05:03:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:03:00 -0400 Subject: Belittling Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3279 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Belittling Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #3278] Belittling Harry Date: 7/4/00 1:03 am (ET) If you want something to make you feel better, there's a good rebuttal to the "girl problem" article (as well as to the charges that Harry is anti-Christian) here: http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2000/03/03/harry_potter/index.html Funny isn't that Harry's two harshest critics are the Bible-thumping far-Right and the Politically Correct far-Left... From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 05:32:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3280 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: NY Times Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3240] Re: NY Times Bestseller List Date: 7/4/00 1:32 am (ET) Speaking as another "silly old Grown Up", I, too, am quite happy reading so-called children's books on the bus (train, whatever). It sounds very much like a demotion to say that HP is only fit for the "children's" best seller list! Just my 2 cents worth! Sheryll From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 06:10:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:10:00 -0400 Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3281 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Ahem - some statistics... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3275] Ahem - some statistics... Date: 7/4/00 2:10 am (ET) Neil, You have way too much time on your hands! Sheryll From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 06:47:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:47:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3282 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mystery man... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3277] Re: Mystery man... Date: 7/4/00 2:47 am (ET) "It's just such a big mistake though, if it were to be Dumbledore. He really doesn't look at all like him." I couldn't agree more. I would say it's Flamel too, but for the fact that he's on some versions of the UK book, with Dumbledore appearing on others. I can't think why they'd do that, unless, it *is* Flamel and they decided to ditch him because no one knew who he was meant to be! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 06:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 02:50:00 -0400 Subject: Lurking in in 'the other place' Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3283 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Lurking in in 'the other place' Reply To: [Yahoo! #3276] Re: Lurking in in 'the other place' Date: 7/4/00 2:50 am (ET) "It wasn't a small fact, it was a major spoiler!" I know - sorry, I was being ironic there... Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 08:51:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:51:00 -0400 Subject: Carlton Late Night Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3284 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Carlton Late Night Live Reply To: [Yahoo! #3273] Re: Carlton Late Night Live Date: 7/4/00 4:51 am (ET) The files, are at: http://www.broomsticks.org/audio/hp1.rm (around 800k) and the second part http://www.broomsticks.org/audio/hp2.rm (around 400k) As I don't have room for these on the RealAudio server over at Demon, these files WILL NOT stream... so you have to download them, and then play using RealPlayer (www.real.com) or WinAmp (www.winamp.com) with the RMplugin. Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 10:51:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 06:51:00 -0400 Subject: Lurking in in 'the other place' Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3285 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Lurking in in 'the other place' Reply To: [Yahoo! #3268] Lurking in in 'the other place' Date: 7/4/00 6:51 am (ET) "I joined harrypotteranonymous quite recently, so I've been lurking there, just reading the e-mails each day (I haven't found the energy to plough through the archives yet)." The same for me. I have managed to read some of the archives but decided I did not have the time to go all the way through! I got most annoyed as I skim read that particular post and so noticed the spoiler before I noticed the word spoiler. May have to avoid checking those e-mails for a few days! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 10:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 06:56:00 -0400 Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3286 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Ahem - some statistics... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3275] Ahem - some statistics... Date: 7/4/00 6:56 am (ET) "Just to prove I'm *really* bored waiting for GoF, I've totted up the number of posts in this club for the last month or so (based on EDT time zone)." And I thought that I had too much time on my hands! It also proves the point of how this group suddenly got very popular. Oddly enough this seemed to happen not long after I arrived! It does seem to have quietened down a little recently. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 11:28:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:28:00 -0400 Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3287 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Ahem - some statistics... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3286] Re: Ahem - some statistics... Date: 7/4/00 7:28 am (ET) "It also proves the point of how this group suddenly got very popular." Actually, I don't have that much time on my hands and I really should be doing other things. However, I am absorbed by Harry Potter at the moment and, therefore, behaving irrationally... I suppose I wanted to quantify the effect that the Yahoo 'spotlight' had had on the club, because it became a bit much around that time. I would have assumed that the more active a club was, the more stimulating it would be, but when we were were hovering around 90 posts a day, I found it much less enjoyable. I hated having to be so selective. Things have settled down now, though...and the new members are very welcome (he added, hastily). Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 12:13:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:13:00 -0400 Subject: Saturday - Reminder (UK) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3288 From: babynick34 Subject: Saturday - Reminder (UK) Date: 7/4/00 8:13 am (ET) Hi all Just a reminder for those of you in the UK who are planning on going to Kings Cross for the Press Launch. Meeting Point: Outside Platforms 9-11 entrance. Time: 9.30 for 10am Information regarding the event is still very limited... Bloomsbury have yet to send me a Press Release about it. All they have sent me so far is: "The Kings Cross launch is intended as a press launch, so there will not be a signing session at that time. Members of the public will be able to watch however. We do not yet have a press release on this, the press will be informed closer to the time and I can add you to the press release list for this." So, please do not expect to be able to talk to Jo, or get books signed etc. Might be a fun trip out though, and a chance to meet people from this list. Anyone who is planning on going, please email me so that we can co-ordinate things off list - that way I can let you know any latest developments as fast as possible. Nick nick at nicmit.com From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 12:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:54:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times (Again!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3289 From: plinsenmayer Subject: NY Times (Again!) Date: 7/4/00 8:54 am (ET) Hi: Arawa - I liked your letter alot. I decided to do an email letter to them as well (even though I sent one by snail mail a couple of weeks ago). I thought I was doing a much shorter letter, but when I did the wordcount, it's still double the length they'll actually consider publishing in the "Letters to the Editor" section. That's okay -- I don't want to be published so much as communicate my point to the editorial staff. I'm encouraging others to write as well! Here's what my most recent letter said (for those interested!): I wrote a letter on this subject that was sent via regular mail a couple of weeks ago. Since then, I've learned that the decision has been definitely made to create a separate children's bestseller list in order to "free up" the slots on the main bestseller list currently held by J.K. Rowlings' Harry Potter books. I am very disappointed by this decision. A bestseller is just that -- a bestseller. The book's intended audience shouldn't have any affect on its status as a bestseller. The central character in J.K. Rowling's series, Harry Potter, is getting older. By the time the final book in the series is released, he will be nearly 18 years old. Will that book be classified as "adult" enough to garner a coveted spot on the main bestseller list? What about Book 5 when he'll be 15/16? When you made this decision, did you consider the large numbers of adults who are reading the books for themselves and giving them as gifts to other adults (i.e., not reading them to their children or so they can approve or disapprove them for their children)? I was lured into buying these books this past Christmas based almost solely on their long-standing run on the NY Times Bestseller List. I am saddened to learn other adults will not have this opportunity. I am the founder of the Yahoo club "Harry Potter for Grown Ups." Would it surprise you to know it is currently the 2nd-largest Yahoo club devoted to Harry Potter discussions in terms of membership (and it is the fastest growing)? Seems to me quite a number of those 3.8 million copies won't be sold just to children. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 13:59:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Ahem - some statistics... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3290 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Ahem - some statistics... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3287] Re: Ahem - some statistics... Date: 7/4/00 9:59 am (ET) "I would have assumed that the more active a club was, the more stimulating it would be, but when we were were hovering around 90 posts a day, I found it much less enjoyable. I hated having to be so selective." The thing that I found was that the quality of posts went down when the number went up. Also the style of posts (i.e. lack of capital letters) annoyed me and I assume a lot of others share this feeling. Which goes to prove that if you want your message to get across then make sure you messages are easy to read with proper grammar and spelling etc (must remember this myself). "Things have settled down now, though...and the new members are very welcome (he added, hastily)." And also providing some very interesting new discussions on things that I had not covered on any of the Harry Potter groups. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 14:05:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:05:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3291 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3257] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/4/00 10:05 am (ET) I have just being reading a report on the BBC news website and it says that at least two American bookstores have already sold copies of book 4. It makes me wonder if all this security has been wasted! Simon From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 15:16:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:16:00 -0400 Subject: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3292 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3291] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/4/00 11:16 am (ET) According to the press releases one of them was a Walmart. I can't think of a store where that sort of thing is more likely or which more deserves to be banned from future Harry Potter books... the reported penalty for selling the book early. Call me old fashioned but I prefer buying my books from Book Stores (I do like buying them on-line) and not from We-have-everything stores like Walmart. From msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 15:22:00 2000 From: msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com (msjanedoe31) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: Simon is right Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3293 From: msjanedoe31 Subject: Simon is right Date: 7/4/00 11:22 am (ET) You are right, Simon. Book 4 was sold in America! Yesterday morning on the NBC Today show, which is a morning talk/news show in America, a young girl accompanied by her father sat on the show with "Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire" in her hand. She discussed the first chapter being scary and stated that she had not read far enough to discuss Harry's love interest or which character dies. A relative of hers was in a bookstore and saw the book on the shelf and bought it. When the reporter performing the interview asked the father what bookstore, he stated that they would not answer that question so as to not get anyone in trouble. I have already sent an E-mail to Scholastic, Inc. complaining about the "leak" in the sale of the book. Security is supposed to be so tight and boxes are not even to be opened before July 8th. In fact, my pre-ordered copy will not even arrive at my home until the 12th of July because of this security as opposed to July 8th as originally promised by Barnes & Noble. I guess security only applies to "Muggles." Melissa Happy 4th of July! From msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 15:34:00 2000 From: msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com (msjanedoe31) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: the lucky ones Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3294 From: msjanedoe31 Subject: the lucky ones Date: 7/4/00 11:34 am (ET) The store that sold the book is Wal-Mart and they accidentally sold it for $12.97 instead of $25.97. They sold about 20 copies and then pulled them off of the shelf once they realized their mistake. Melissa From standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 16:29:00 2000 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com (standardbookofspellsgrade7) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: Employees Was: Breaking News -- CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3295 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 Subject: Employees Was: Breaking News -- CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3239] Re: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/4/00 12:29 pm (ET) <<Anyway, apparently some store in NY had accidentally set out a copy and they sold it (how stupid would the bookstore clerk have had to be??).>> <<<<This has totally confused me>>>> <Me too. Are we expected to believe that someone who works in a bookshop would not know the significance of Harry Potter books? It's inconceivable, even if it were their very first day at work and they were, by chance, also a complete imbecile who had been living in a cave since 1996.> It doesn't surprise me at all. Most workers at my local book stores are college students who don't have children of their own. They go to work and get hounded all day by customers and supervisors all for minimum wage, and they don't want to hear it anymore. Usually they don't have a clue about what books they are selling, they always have to look for every book you ask for on the computer just to see if it exists. They usually aren't management so they have no idea of what the contract to sell these books contains, and they don't have regular or special employee meetings to keep them informed just because that would involve paying employees for time not used for working. So literally they come in not caring, find out where they are assigned, fill the shelves needing to be shelved, and go home thinking they never want to see a book again. It only takes one employee to think this way and happen to fill a children's book section. This is even more especially so when it's wal-mart, they are even more disgruntled than bookstore employees! (Sorry to rant, it's just I have worked retail for about six years now and it's not the most pleasant job in the world.) Standard Book of Spells Grade 7 From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 16:52:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:52:00 -0400 Subject: Employees Was: Breaking News -- Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3296 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Employees Was: Breaking News -- Reply To: [Yahoo! #3295] Employees Was: Breaking News -- CNN Date: 7/4/00 12:52 pm (ET) <<This is even more especially so when it's wal-mart, they are even more disgruntled than bookstore employees! >> You're right - I've worked in Wal Mart (I lasted a week) when I first got my work permit over here in the States. I was so disgruntled I walked out - not even bothering to let them know I was going...and that takes a lot for me to do. It was like nursery school employment. "Now we take the product; now we put it on the shelf; now the supervisor comes and tells us the right shelf..." and so on... I may not have a degree, but boy - I am smart enough to be disgruntled by that. And the Wal Mart Cheer (very scary indeed for a reserved English gal to encounter....Give me a W! Give me an A! - and to think I was chosen to lead it on my first day.....) Sorry - back to the point - If it was a Wal Mart, then the story becomes ten times more believabe to me. Having seen from the inside for a week, the place is a retail mess.... Appologies to anyone in the club who works at Wal Mart, but boy....it sucks.... From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:08:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:08:00 -0400 Subject: Employees Was: Breaking News -- Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3297 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Employees Was: Breaking News -- Reply To: [Yahoo! #3296] Re: Employees Was: Breaking News -- Date: 7/4/00 1:08 pm (ET) I remember when I first moved to Boston I kind of thought it would be fun to work in a bookstore-- I am a booklover, right? What coudl be better? The best offer I got after i made the round of interviews was $6 per hour, with no benefits at all. I cannot believe that managers think that they can offer such a slim wage and so little committment to their employees, and yet also expect their employees to come in brimming with knowledge and enthusiam. I am hardly the greedy type, but the fact is $6 per hour is NOT a livable wage. I turned that one down and tried my hand at waitressing instead. We also have a poetry bookshop her in Boston which is kind of a landmark, but whose proprieter is notorious for being very abusive to her employees. I was warned by many "If you really love petry, don't work there!" The proprieter herself said to me, rather stiffly "I never hire customers because I usually find that they quickly stop being customers when they work here." (Uhmmmm, yeah.... thanks for the tip, lady!) With attitudes like this running around, I can EASILY imagine a pissed off or exhausted employee putting twenty Harry Potter books on the shelves before turning in her resignation. Sucha shame, but really it is probably bad management that is at the root of it all. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:21:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3298 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler.... Date: 7/4/00 1:21 pm (ET) *The crystal clouds over suddenly and a cold wind blows through the room.* I predict that Sirius Black will return to protect Harry, and will die for him just as his parents died for him, striking down harry's one hope to have something resembling a real family life. This will up the ante considerably I think, and will strengthen his resolve to defeat Voldemort. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:43:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3299 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3298] Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler.... Date: 7/4/00 1:43 pm (ET) >>>I predict that Sirius Black will return to protect Harry, and will die for him just as his parents died for him, striking down harry's one hope to have something resembling a real family life. I agree. Of all the speculation I have seen in the last few months, the most logical argument for who will die in Book 4 is Sirius Black, IMHO. After all, he is already in a whole lot of trouble, dementors and other nasty creatures are after him, and no one is likely to believe Harrys version. But, we will know for sure in a few days!! From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:49:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3300 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3298] Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler.... Date: 7/4/00 1:49 pm (ET) Oooh. This makes a frightning amount of sense. He's also a big enough character, especially if they develop him well in this book, to be the candidate. I could totally see him stopping what everyone but Harry and crew thinks is "master" and giving his life to save Harry, thus proving himself innocent, and giving us a good reason for Harry having to put up with the Dursleys for years. :) Jarnor23 From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:54:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: Funny HP cartoon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3301 From: joywitch999 Subject: Funny HP cartoon Date: 7/4/00 1:54 pm (ET) There is an editorial cartoon in todays (July 4) Washington Post, on the Kids Post page. It is reprinted from the Cincinnati Enquirer and is by Jim Borgman, who did another funny JP-related cartoon last year. It says Q: Which is the more closely guarded national secret? On the left, is choice A: a hard drive labeled *U.S. Nuclear Secrets*; and on the right is choice B: the new Harry Potter book. You can download Borgmans cartoons from the Cincinnati Enquirer website. There is also an op-ed piece about Harry Potter in todays Post, by George Will. Its OK, but I did not find it particularly interesting or insightful. It strikes me as something a columnist would write on a day when he cant find anything else to write about. I wish I could make my living expressing my opinion about whatever topic I happened to be thinking about that day. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:56:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3302 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3300] Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Date: 7/4/00 1:56 pm (ET) Harry has also saved his life-- perhaps now he will return the favor? Of all the scenarios I have explored in my mind, this one has the most emotional resonance, especially considering that Sirus is sort of a parent-stand-in for Harry. From candlebones at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:57:00 2000 From: candlebones at yahoo.com (candlebones) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Fever is Building Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3303 From: candlebones Subject: Harry Potter Fever is Building Date: 7/4/00 1:57 pm (ET) The new Harry Potter book will be out soon. It's all I can think about....talk about. I wear a button with the countdown date it comes out...my friends think I'm crazy waiting for this book to come out....but they're "Muggles". One of these days, I expect Harry's picture on the book(s) to wink at me! I can hardly wait!!! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 17:59:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Fever is Building Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3304 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Harry Potter Fever is Building Reply To: [Yahoo! #3303] Harry Potter Fever is Building Date: 7/4/00 1:59 pm (ET) *rubbing my eyes* My cat winked at me today. Am I imagining things? From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 18:09:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3305 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3302] Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Date: 7/4/00 2:09 pm (ET) I think your correct. We would all be upset if Sirus is killed, since this did look like the chance for Harry to get away from the Dursleys. I suspect that there may be alot of deaths in this book, with Sirus and Peter. Peter no doubt protecting Harry, for saving his life in HP3. It should be interesting... the countdown continues! D&D From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 18:33:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:33:00 -0400 Subject: Neat Harry Potter Logo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3306 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Neat Harry Potter Logo Date: 7/4/00 2:33 pm (ET) If you haven't been to the Warner Brothers site, they added a new intro screen.. with lots of sounds and special effects.. http://batmanforever.com/harrypotter/index.html# Have No Idea why it's batmanforever.. Arrrggh! D From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 18:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3307 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Premonition Date: 7/4/00 2:53 pm (ET) Hi: Well . . . I hate to say that I think you could be right. Although I think his death might fall more into the "damaging" category (not just "upsetting"); he's a fairly major character. If someone important has to die, I'd sure rather see it be someone other than Black. Having said that, I'm not sure who else I'd "give up" in place of him. If Neville died, would it be upsetting? Plus, I'll be doubly upset since I'm working on a fanfic with him as the central character. <g> I may have to complete it *even if* he dies in the canon. Fanfic is all alternatives anyway, right? <g> Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 19:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Neat Harry Potter Logo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3308 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Neat Harry Potter Logo Reply To: [Yahoo! #3306] Neat Harry Potter Logo Date: 7/4/00 3:09 pm (ET) I like the logo and I like the sounds even more! Makes me feel wistful.... *little sighs as I return to my crystal ball* From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 19:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: Bookstore Employees Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3309 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Bookstore Employees Date: 7/4/00 3:21 pm (ET) Hi: Well as a former bookstore employee, I feel I should comment on this subject. I worked part-time at Waldenbooks all through high school and most of college (evenings, weekends & summers). I chose to work there (rather than the local fastfood joints) because I was a bookworm, and I saw it as a great way to be in the book world and earn some money. Granted not *all* bookstore employees will fall into that category, but there are many who do. Of course, my work there was (gasp) at least 13 yrs ago, and I do agree with joywitch that the sizzling US economy has resulted in lower-skilled workers flooding the retail markets. But, surely there are at least a few of the bookstore employees who love to read & enjoy books. In any case, I do not buy the argument that there wouldn't be staff meetings and such about the HP restrictions. The penalty is too severe for it to be ignored. Plus, believe me, if you unpack, shelve and sell as many HP books (and answer phone queries regarding these books) as *any* bookstore does, *all* employees are going to be very familiar with that series (and, naturally, the hype surrounding Book IV). There's just no way the employee could have been ignorant of that. Now, Wal-Mart . . . that's another issue. I'm with Skimmel on that one (although I do confess to having bought several sets of HP as gifts at Sam's (wholesale club)). My $.02 for today -- Penny From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 19:22:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: Funny HP cartoon Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3310 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Funny HP cartoon Reply To: [Yahoo! #3301] Funny HP cartoon Date: 7/4/00 3:22 pm (ET) <<You can download Borgmans cartoons from the Cincinnati Enquirer website.>> I found it!! http://borgman.enquirer.com/weekly/daily_html/2000/06/062300borgman.html It may mean more to the Americans then the English Diann From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 20:42:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3311 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Premonition Reply To: [Yahoo! #3307] Premonition Date: 7/4/00 4:42 pm (ET) I hate to agree with you all, but it seems to me that Sirius is the logical one, if only to complete the parallel with Louisa May Alcott's Dan: Dan ------------------------- Handsome and manly Short-tempered Impulsive, often reckless Thrown in prison for murder (it was self-defense) Released from prison ruined and disfigured Dies in an act of valor Sirius -------------------- Handsome and manly Short-tempered Impulsive, often reckless Thrown in prison for murder (which he did not commit at all) Breaks out of prison ruined and disfigured Will die in an act of valor? Of course, I may be looking too hard for parallels ... There is a theory among literary scholars that Alcott may have deliberately killed off Dan because she couldn't reconcile her love of his strength and free-spiritedness with her conservative Victorian upbringing. Hopefully, our modern "Jo" harbors no such ambivalence about my gender and will not kill off Sirius (or her other somewhat "Dan-like" character, one Ronald Weasley) from ulterior motives, and may indeed allow him to be acquitted and go on to find a happy existence. In any case though, I don't think closure one way or another will come for Sirius until Book 7. We don't even know that Sirius will *appear* in this book -- all JKR has said is that Harry will be "in touch" (which could mean owl post) with him. POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW!!! * * * * * * * Besides, all the latest Book 4 rumors says that the victim will be a *teacher*. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 20:55:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:55:00 -0400 Subject: Real Audio Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3312 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Real Audio Date: 7/4/00 4:55 pm (ET) PLEASE IGNORE BELOW TEXT CONTAINS RANT MATERIAL Cut here === Begin Rant Message === Have thses people forgotten what a book is about? I CAN'T think straight about these people. They are complete snobs, I could HIT them - AAAAAAAARGH. I wouls swear, which I so far have at my computer, but would probably be thrown out if I used the words I have muttered under my breath. The bloke complaining is an IDIOT, and a filed author. I have reverted to my teenage self, and have lost the ability todiscuss. Does it have to be scary? This is an exciting book to read - it is pleasureable to read - grrrr. The will die! All of them. Sorry for going back to being 16, but noooo! Stuck up gits - "Crush.. Kill.. Rip... Tear" I am so annoyed. This is a completely pointless post - but what do you say to these people? They compare Harry Potter to Toilken!! The Hobbit was as boring as Hell (IMHO) and how are 10 year olds, never mind me - supposed to follow a book that has a GLOSSARY at the back! Acck! (Lord of the rings). There are even huge differences between the Dursleys, and the Rohld Dahl creations. JKR doesnt explore the Dursleys - cou could describe them in a paragraph! Why does it have to be different from anything that has come before it, when you look at it as a whole, it is! Sorry about this === End Rant Message === Nicholas From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:13:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:13:00 -0400 Subject: Bookstore Employees Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3313 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Bookstore Employees Reply To: [Yahoo! #3309] Bookstore Employees Date: 7/4/00 5:13 pm (ET) I agree with the Wal-Mart assesment. I live in a small town with a "Super" one. I tried to boycott the place because, once the store opened all the small local independent stores disappeared, one by one. I used to have some great little shops that I patronized regularly(comic,book,music,etc..) but they did not have the ability to compete. Eventually I had to capitulate of course, but how I longed to see the faces of the "old stores" who knew me by name and always stocked stuff "just for me". Kinda makes me feel like sheep to go to Wal-Mart now. The days of customer service and knowledgable dealers are long gone. The alternative of the web has made this transition a little easier for me, but the nostalgia is still strong. Rio ps- Happy 4th to everyone here in America! Though I am sure that the 8th is gonna be more celebrated by quite a few! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3314 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Reply To: [Yahoo! #3312] Real Audio Date: 7/4/00 5:15 pm (ET) > They compare Harry Potter to Toilken!! The Hobbit was as boring as Hell (IMHO) and how are 10 year olds, never mind me - supposed to follow a book that has a GLOSSARY at the back! Acck! I loved THE LORD OF THE RINGS when I was 8 (it must have been the immoral Ballantine paperback of 1966) and didn't understand it very well, and loved it even more when I was 10 and understood it much better. Except that I had nightmares about Black Riders for *weeks*. When 8, I looked up to the big 10-year-old children who get to be squires in the big battle. When I was 10, I thought "just like me!" LOTR differences from HP: no humor! little daily life! and it's set in the distant past. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:40:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3315 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3298] Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler.... Date: 7/4/00 5:40 pm (ET) Please note that the below is just me adding my thoughts on that matter. It is not based on any rumour that I have heard. I believe that if it is Sirius that is going to die then he will be first proved innocent. The dementors could still get him after this. Remember Hagrid saying that they were unwilling to let him go. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:43:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:43:00 -0400 Subject: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3316 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Reply To: [Yahoo! #3314] Re: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Date: 7/4/00 5:43 pm (ET) "They compare Harry Potter to Toilken!! The Hobbit was as boring as Hell (IMHO) and how are 10 year olds, never mind me - supposed to follow a book that has a GLOSSARY at the back! Acck" The Hobbit and LOTR are good books. As to the glossary I read them, recently, without even looking at it. It adds more information but is not actually needed for the plot. I was surprised at how quickly I got through them and in this way I found them similar to HP. I started the last two sections (the third physical book) and did not put it down until I had finshed. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: Bookstore Employees Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3317 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Bookstore Employees Reply To: [Yahoo! #3309] Bookstore Employees Date: 7/4/00 5:48 pm (ET) "In any case, I do not buy the argument that there wouldn't be staff meetings and such about the HP restrictions" This is what amazed me about the stories. They suggest that these stores function with no communication between employees. I suppose it is just that I am used to one of the best academic book shops in the UK (Blackwell's) which combines staff with amazing knowledge and a massive selection of books of all types. You go in ask for the book you require and they can take you straight too it and tell you wether it is any good. "Now, Wal-Mart" These comments about WM are worrying me. We are meant to be getting them in the UK soon. I will have to avoid them! We have recently got some Borders stores who (as of Sunday) were still telling us that it is Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournoment. My tuppence for today (well I am English). Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 21:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:51:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3318 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Premonition Reply To: [Yahoo! #3311] Re: Premonition Date: 7/4/00 5:51 pm (ET) Hi: <<<In any case though, I don't think closure one way or another will come for Sirius until Book 7. We don't even know that Sirius will *appear* in this book -- all JKR has said is that Harry will be "in touch" (which could mean owl post) with him.>>> I thought of that but you beat me to it! I'll hang my hat on that -- Harry and Sirius will be "in touch" but Sirius won't get killed off this soon. BTW Dave, I always enjoy the literary parallels that you add to our discussions -- keep it up! Weren't you the one who raised some parallels between HP & David Copperfield a few months ago? I read that one for the first time last month -- I seem to recall you were hoping that parallels between David and Harry wouldn't mean that Ron would turn out to be Uriah Heep. As far as I could see, the similarities between Ron & Uriah are solely physical. David & Uriah were never friends. Anyway . . . keep bringing in those literary parallels -- it takes the discussions up a notch, don't you think? Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 22:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: UK book on 'display'... hmmmm Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3319 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: UK book on 'display'... hmmmm Date: 7/4/00 6:01 pm (ET) Well, as I was saying.... I went to Borders, Charing Cross Road, to check out the copy of "Goblet of Fire" supposedly on display in the window, and all they had was this large book, covered in sparkly wrapping paper, with a copy of the dust-jacket glued onto the front somewhat amateurishly. Surrounding this was a motley selection of the first three books in various formats. How inventive (not). I was disappointed. It was raining, and I'd wanted to press my nose against the window pane and stare at it longingly. I would have looked silly though. I feel that I should wish y'all a happy 4th of July, even though it's nothing to do with me. Surely even bookstore employees have reason to celebrate today... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 22:06:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Other books...parallels Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3320 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Other books...parallels Reply To: [Yahoo! #3318] Re: Premonition Date: 7/4/00 6:06 pm (ET) "BTW Dave, I always enjoy the literary parallels that you add to our discussions -- keep it up!" I have to admit that I bought "Little Women" in my last batch of book shopping simply because I was so intrigued by Dave's regular references to it. Haven't read it yet... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 22:17:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3321 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/4/00 6:17 pm (ET) I'm not convinced by the theory that Sirius Black would be killed in Book 4, because he hasn't appeared for long enough for me to really 'care' about him and there is mileage left in that character. I'm not completely heartless though: I care about how Harry would feel if Sirius died... but that's not the same thing. I hate to say it, but I think Hagrid is a more likely candidate, because the alternatives are too horrible to think about. If it's someone we *really* care about, who else could it be? Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 4 22:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3322 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3321] The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/4/00 6:44 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I'm not convinced by the theory that Sirius Black would be killed in Book 4, because he hasn't appeared for long enough for me to really 'care' about him and there is mileage left in that character.>>> Well, hopefully you are right. I do care about this character, but there are characters that probably do have longer-standing appeal for more readers. <<<I hate to say it, but I think Hagrid is a more likely candidate, because the alternatives are too horrible to think about. If it's someone we *really* care about, who else could it be?>>>> I have him pegged as a character likely to die at some point -- is Book IV too soon though? But, you're right Neil -- if not Hagrid, then who else? My sister says Dumbledore (which fits in with the spoiler theory Dave raised earlier). But, I would bet Dumbledore would be around until Book 6 or 7. McGonagall? Neville? If JKR has said the death of this character will be upsetting but not damaging, then how pivotal would the character have to be for it to be upsetting to most readers? Damaging: Ron, Hermione obviously . . . I put Hagrid, Dumbledore, Lupin & Black into this category myself. Maybe extremely damaging is where Ron & Hermione belong. Upsetting to me would be one of the other Weasleys, McGonagall, Neville, Hedwig . . . Penny From xiola_hush at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 01:33:00 2000 From: xiola_hush at yahoo.com (xiola_hush) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3323 From: xiola_hush Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3322] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/4/00 9:33 pm (ET) i have to agree. the most likely character to die is Hagrid. but i hope it's Snape. *hehe* From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 02:41:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: OT: Wal-Mart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3324 From: davehoz Subject: OT: Wal-Mart Reply To: [Yahoo! #3313] Re: Bookstore Employees Date: 7/4/00 10:41 pm (ET) The over-expansion of Wal-mart has actually become a political issue here in Orange County. In Huntington Beach there is a derelict grammar school that the city want to sell to Wal-mart so they can build a store there, and the citizens have been fighting it tooth and nail because they don't want a big "superstore" (and all the extra traffic that would come with it) smack in the middle of a residential area. These mega-business expansions and mergers are going too far IMHO. (To think that from now on whenever I eat a Ritz cracker I'm going to be aiding the tobacco industry!!) From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 02:54:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:54:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3325 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3315] Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Date: 7/4/00 10:54 pm (ET) One of my darkest (but fortunately totally unfounded) theories is that in Book 7 the Dementors will go berserk and it will be all Harry can do to stop them from wiping out the entire British Isles (Wizard *and* Muggle)! From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 02:59:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: J.K.'s Entrance on Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3326 From: Skimble7 Subject: J.K.'s Entrance on Saturday Date: 7/4/00 10:59 pm (ET) In the Sunday New York Daily News, Harry was the man of the hour. And in one section of the write ups, they told how J.K. plans on making her grand entrance in London, Saturday morning. She will arrive by train at Kings Cross on Platform 9 and 3/4. The exact explanation is that she will "mysteriously appear". I hope the BBC transmits it to the states or U.S. broadcasters are on hand. I think kids all over the world would get a real kick seeing that. From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 03:18:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:18:00 -0400 Subject: Other books...parallels Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3327 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Other books...parallels Reply To: [Yahoo! #3320] Other books...parallels Date: 7/4/00 11:18 pm (ET) I'm glad to be indirectly plugging Louisa May, though I should point out that most of my Harry-Alcott parallels involve _Little Men_, which is the sequel to _Women_ and is about the idyllic boarding school run by Jo and her husband. Other character parallels I see are Harry and Nat, Hermione and Nan, Neville and Tommy, Ginny and Daisy, & Dumbledore and Professor Bhear. And when I think about it, actually Sirius, Ron, *and* Hagrid all have a bit of Dan in them... From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 03:26:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3328 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Premonition Reply To: [Yahoo! #3318] Re: Premonition Date: 7/4/00 11:26 pm (ET) Thanks, Penny, for your kind words of approbation! I won't give all my other parallels at once, but for now I'll share one more, this time involving Oz and Harry, that I realized just yesterday watching _Wizard of Oz_ on TCM... It goes unexplained in the movie, but in the book, the reason that the Good Witch of the North kissed Dorothy on the forehead is because her magic kiss protects Dorothy from harm. In other words, Harry and Dorothy both have something magical and evil-repelling on their foreheads! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 03:35:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3329 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3323] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/4/00 11:35 pm (ET) >>The most likely character to die is Hagrid<< I have heard JKR say in various interviews that Hagrid *will not die* in Number 4. She could be throwing out a red herring for all I know, but I'm willing to believe that she ain't lying. (If only because I don't want Hagrid to bite the dust.) Trina From hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:20:00 2000 From: hagrid_rubeus at yahoo.com (hagrid_rubeus) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:20:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3330 From: hagrid_rubeus Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3329] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/5/00 12:20 am (ET) Oh boy...Hagrid dying in Book 4? This would put an interesting spin on my website. <flail> - Hagrid http://www.hagridshut.com From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:21:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3331 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Premonition Reply To: [Yahoo! #3311] Re: Premonition Date: 7/5/00 12:21 am (ET) Dave: the parallels youve drawn between Louisa May Alcotts Dan and Sirius Black are interesting. The only thing is -- Dan does not die; at the end of Jos Boys he is still alive. [I am sure of this because, coincidently, I just reread all 3 of Alcotts March family books.] I am interested in how you came up with the comparison, though. - Joywitch From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:38:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:38:00 -0400 Subject: Bookstore Employees Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3332 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Bookstore Employees Reply To: [Yahoo! #3313] Re: Bookstore Employees Date: 7/5/00 12:38 am (ET) >>>Happy 4th to everyone here in America! Though I am sure that the 8th is gonna be more celebrated by quite a few! I agree! The fireworks on the National Mall tonight were really wonderful, but if it were up to me, I would have saved them for Friday night. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:41:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3333 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3315] Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Date: 7/5/00 12:41 am (ET) Simon says: <<I believe that if it is Sirius that is going to die then he will be first proved innocent.>> Joy responds: Why do you believe that? [Just wondering what your logic is.] From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:48:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Other books...parallels Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3334 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Other books...parallels Reply To: [Yahoo! #3327] Re: Other books...parallels Date: 7/5/00 12:48 am (ET) >>>Other character parallels I see are Harry and Nat, Hermione and Nan, Neville and Tommy, Ginny and Daisy, & Dumbledore and Professor Bhear. Harry and Nat????? But Harry is BRAVE, and Nat is such a wuss. Remember, Nat has a *weak mouth* and is always scared of fights. I think Harry is much more like Tommy Bangs, and Neville is more like Nat. The only similarity I see is that Nat and Harry are both orphans who make good. The Hermione/Nan parallel makes sense to me, but not the Ginny/Daisy one. Ginny doesnt seem particularly domestic to me, nor does she have a twin who she takes care of, and those are practically the only things Daisy ever does. She does pine away for Nat, though. It is a really interesting parallel, though. I would guess that JKR has to have read Alcott, and I am willing to bet that she is a big fan. I mean, anyone who adores Jane Austen must be fond of Alcott, right? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 04:50:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:50:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3335 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3329] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/5/00 12:50 am (ET) >>>I have heard JKR say in various interviews that Hagrid *will not die* in Number 4. Are you sure? I seem to remember that she says something vague like -- *Someone the readers will care about will die in Book 4. I havent said that it is Hagrid.* From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 05:25:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:25:00 -0400 Subject: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3336 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3335] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/5/00 1:25 am (ET) "Are you sure? I seem to remember that she says something vague like -- *Someone the readers will care about will die in Book 4. I havent said that it is Hagrid.* Can I reiterate my previous theories about death: - 1. Use of the time turner 2. Conversion to a ghost 1. The time turner rescued Buckbeak from a death which actually occurred, so why not another character, like Hagrid? People can't be brought back from the dead, but their death could be prevented in the short-term, if this sort of magic is available. [JKR probably wouldn't use the same device a second time, but you never know]. 2. I reckon that if Hagrid died, he would be troubled enough to continue his existence as a ghost. Perhaps this would not be discovered until Book 5 and it would line up with the assertion that someone 'dies' in book 4. It amuses me to think that some people can read these wild theories knowing every detail of Book 4, and laugh at me behind their hands... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 05:41:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:41:00 -0400 Subject: J.K.'s Entrance on Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3337 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: J.K.'s Entrance on Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3326] J.K.'s Entrance on Saturday Date: 7/5/00 1:41 am (ET) <<The exact explanation is that she will "mysteriously appear". >> I'm planning to be there to witness this appearance, if I can bear having to go to my local bookshop to pick up my copy of GoF, *after* the event. I'm imagining some sort of Copperfield-style trick, where they squeeze JK Rowling into a small box on the train, hiding her until the crucial moment, when she can burst through the cardboard Platform 9 3/4 in a puff of green smoke. As she appears, I envision a choir of schoolchildren chorusing the Hogwarts school song, each singing a different tune, as tradition dictates. As this cacophony draws to a close, I see JKR mounting the footplate of the train engine and tossing bags of Bertie Bott's Every-Flavour Beans into the bewildered crowd. Do you think she'll wear wizarding robes, with a black pointy hat... or just Muggle daywear? Neil From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 06:01:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:01:00 -0400 Subject: OK, so I don't really get a copy... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3338 From: S_Ings Subject: OK, so I don't really get a copy... Date: 7/5/00 2:01 am (ET) of HP IV, but my mother, in her infinite wisdom, handed me her credit card number this morning and asked me to order one for my nephew. Does she really think I'll give it to him without reading it first? Think again, Mom! I'm am so totally thrilled that I'm practically doing cartwheels around the living room (much to the dismay and horror of one small kitten hiding under the sofa)! Sheryll From brp13 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 12:53:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: The Black theory - nah! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3339 From: brp13 Subject: Re: The Black theory - nah! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3322] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/5/00 8:53 am (ET) I thought it was Hagrid, he is a major character, but not so major that getting rid of him would do some damage. But I seem to remember hearing somewhere, this might be a rumor, but that Hagrid is not the one who dies. Lupin's pretty much gone from the series, Black represents hope for harry, and Dumbledore is just to soon to die... I can't figure out who it is, unless it's maybe a muggle... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: Here are two links....quite interesting! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3340 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Here are two links....quite interesting! Date: 7/5/00 9:04 am (ET) http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/31693907 an interesting product, is this one of the ones that were being talked about? here's the other link: http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/31707929 anyone recognize that cover art? and interesting that they are starting to auction the book when they in all fairness shouldn't have it yet! :) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:09:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3341 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3336] Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Date: 7/5/00 9:09 am (ET) I seem to remember and interview (maybe her interview with the COnnection?) in which Jo said that Hagrid is her favorite character, and that she wouldn't kill him off. I wish I could find it. The question of who will die came up, and hagrid was the only person she ruled out. --Suzanne From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:12:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:12:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3342 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3341] Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said.... Date: 7/5/00 9:12 am (ET) Thanks for backing me up! I *knew* I heard JKR say Hagrid wouldn't die! Trina From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:23:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:23:00 -0400 Subject: An Omen! An Omen! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3343 From: rainy_lilac Subject: An Omen! An Omen! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3342] Re: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Date: 7/5/00 9:23 am (ET) I think my kitten winked at me this morning-- again!! Am I batty? Is this wishful thinking? Or am I entering an alternate universe on July 8th? *wink* *Tongue in cheek.... Feeling a little silly this morning. Would rather do anything today than go to work!* From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:28:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:28:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3344 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3322] Re: The Black theory - nah! Date: 7/5/00 9:28 am (ET) Spoiler space inserted as this conatains information from someone who says they have read book 4. S P O I L E R S P A C E Someone posting to Harry Potter Anonymous has said that they have read book 4 as they work for a book shop. The message is that it is not a Weasley that dies. In reply to will Hagrid dies question JKR has said "It is true that there will be deaths in Book 4 for the first time. It is likely that the reader will only care about one of the deaths. I can't say who it is, but I have certainly never told anyone that it's Hagrid -- hint, hint." So I expect that it is not him. Dumbledore is in my view needed as a mentor for Harry for the rest of the series. Hermione is the main female character and I see that there is noone to replace her in that role. I agree with the comments that Black has not been in the stories enough to kill him. This has lead me to go with the teacher idea. Leaving me suspecting McGonagall to die. Simon From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:38:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:38:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3345 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3344] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 9:38 am (ET) Sirius might be developed more in Book 4, to the point that he will matter even more to the reader. Harry might be making real plans to spend his summers with him and have some shred of a real family. I care about this very much, for Harry's sake. *Little lump in my throat-- I really feel terrible about what he must endure with the Dursleys!* Another theory: There IS going to be another DADA teacher and according to all the rumors I am sure everyone has heard about.... [**Rumor crossing** warning (ding! ding!)] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . He is supposed to be one of the good guys, someone who will have the guts to take on Draco Malfoy. The reader might certainly care about him in this book, he might, like Lupin, teach the kids some important things about defending themselves against You-Know-Who, and if he dies, it will show Voldemort's strength. This would also leave the door open for Lupin to return perhaps..... Just a thought..... From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:39:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:39:00 -0400 Subject: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3346 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3333] Re: Premonition! Not a rumor or spoiler. Date: 7/5/00 9:39 am (ET) Simon says: <<I believe that if it is Sirius that is going to die then he will be first proved innocent.>> "Joy responds: Why do you believe that?" Now I am left with the task of explaining my feelings, and I am not sure I can put this into words very easily. IMHO it would have more effect on Harry if Black was cleared first, so that again he would believe he would be able to go and live with him, and then for him to be killed. Unless he gets more involved with Harry then I can see his death not meaning very much as he will drift out of Harry's life unless he can spend more time with him. Having said this, I find it hard to explain anything to do with his death as I believe he is not the one that will die in book 4. "Just wondering what your logic is." Not existent usually! Seriously it is usually based on gut feeling so can be way out at times! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 13:44:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3347 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3345] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 9:44 am (ET) The following is a quote from a JKR interview: "It is likely that the reader will only care about one of the deaths." I have just being thinking about this some more and there are very few people who I would not care about if they died. The way that JKR has answered the question leaves open the possibility of Voldemprt dying as most people would care about his death. Likewise no indication is given that it is a good person. Caring and liking are two different emotions. Simon From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 14:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: An Omen! An Omen! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3348 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: An Omen! An Omen! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3343] An Omen! An Omen! Date: 7/5/00 10:18 am (ET) <<I think my kitten winked at me this morning-- again!! Am I batty? Is this wishful thinking?>> Nothing batty about it at all! My cat winks at me all the time! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 14:27:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: An Omen! A little off topic.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3349 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: An Omen! A little off topic.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3348] Re: An Omen! An Omen! Date: 7/5/00 10:27 am (ET) I am glad it is not just me!! *LOL* This one is a darling.... If I wiggle my fingers she will run over and put her head under my hand to petted. I think my kitten believes she is a puppy! From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 14:52:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:52:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3350 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3344] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 10:52 am (ET) Spoiler space inserted as this conatains information from someone who says they have read book 4. S P O I L E R S P A C E Someone posting to Harry Potter Anonymous has said that they have read book 4 as they work for a book shop. The message is that it is not a Weasley that dies. I can confirm this. ( Read it already) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:13:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:13:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3351 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Date: 7/5/00 11:13 am (ET) I was wondering this morning: why is it that The Ministry of Magic forbids underage wizards to apparate-- but it is okay for them to use floo powder? The level of bureacracy and rules is rather remarkable, isn't it? From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:38:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:38:00 -0400 Subject: eBay Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3352 From: crinkle25 Subject: eBay Date: 7/5/00 11:38 am (ET) There is a copy of Book IV already on sale at eBay. A lady got it from a bookseller she knows. I myself have connections at B&N, and they say they are keeping their books LOCKED UP, even from their employees. From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:41:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3353 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #3351] Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Date: 7/5/00 11:41 am (ET) Feeling silly..... Do you figure Santa Claus is just a Wizard using Floo powder. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:42:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: eBay Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3354 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: eBay Reply To: [Yahoo! #3352] eBay Date: 7/5/00 11:42 am (ET) This really infuriates me. What is wrong with people????? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 15:47:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3355 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #3353] Re: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Date: 7/5/00 11:47 am (ET) Well as a matter of fact..... In Russia there is a great deal of folklore about shamans who used to live in the far north. They beleived that there was a sort of "head shaman" as it were who lived in the far, far north, and with whom they would connect with spiritually during the winter solstice. Thsi "head shaman" would give them gifts, which they would then distribute among the people (spiritual gifts really....) The head shaman was reputed to be a fellow witha long white beard who wore a red suit and rode a cart pulled by reindeer. Mind you I am abbreviating the legend massively, but Santa Claus does in fact have magical and pagan roots! I don't know about the floor powder, but I would approve making that a part of the whole dish! From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:05:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Subject: eBay Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3356 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: eBay Reply To: [Yahoo! #3354] Re: eBay Date: 7/5/00 12:05 pm (ET) What infuriates me is that there is a guy in another HP club gloating about how he was at the WAL-MART and got one of those early copies. He keeps trying to get people to ask him stuff about the book...needling them when they make their own predictions and saying "no, you're wrong...want me to tell you the answer?" This idiot is going by the name Draco_Malfoy_1. Watch out...he's a real pain. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:15:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: How do I fix this? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3357 From: nlpnt Subject: How do I fix this? Date: 7/5/00 12:15 pm (ET) I was trying to pull the screen down with the knob on the mouse but it was only making the type bigger/smaller. Now it's stuck on everything being HUGE! How can I set it back to default? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:23:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:23:00 -0400 Subject: How do I fix this? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3358 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: How do I fix this? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3357] How do I fix this? Date: 7/5/00 12:23 pm (ET) Easily fixed! Just go to view, and click fonts, making it the size you orginally had it. When you reboot the computer, it'll make the scroll mouse back to being a scroll instead. It's a tendency I have to do the same thing, and it's realllllly annoying when it does! I just "don't scroll" after I fix it until I do the reboot. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:26:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:26:00 -0400 Subject: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3359 From: rainy_lilac Subject: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3356] Re: eBay Date: 7/5/00 12:26 pm (ET) >>>>>>>What infuriates me is that there is a guy in another HP club gloating about how he was at the WAL-MART and got one of those early copies. He keeps trying to get people to ask him stuff about the book...needling them when they make their own predictions and saying "no, you're wrong...want me to tell you the answer?" This idiot is going by the name Draco_Malfoy_1. Watch out...he's a real pain. <<<<<<< How awful! I hate that kind of needling-- it just sounds smug and misguided. I think it is really important to have good boundaries and respect other people's experience of discovering things for themselves. Also we all want to splash around and have our fun theorizing, right? The point of forwarding theories is not to be right or wrong, but to explore what is possible! Now mind you I am shameless about peeking into the oven so to speak, and if anyone REALLY wants tidbits, I have had a lovely dialogue with a source on this list who has shown a terrific balance between sending me little appetizers, yet leaving out the spoilers. We have had a very fun and good spirited dialogue! I think though that pushing this kind of thing on people, or parading around the "Look at me! I know the REAL answers!", such as you describe, is just not good socializing. Draco_Malfoy_1 sounds well named...... From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:33:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:33:00 -0400 Subject: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3360 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3359] On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.... Date: 7/5/00 12:33 pm (ET) He chose his own name, you know. A lady in the other club suggested he change his name to a more appropriate one...such as "Crabbe" or "Goyle". Just recently Draco posted that he was tired of people posting negative things about him. He said that if we would all start being "nice" to him, he'd tell us all who dies in the book. Now, appetizers I would like to have. I just don't want the entire book spoiled by some dimwit. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:34:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:34:00 -0400 Subject: How do I fix this? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3361 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: How do I fix this? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3358] Re: How do I fix this? Date: 7/5/00 12:34 pm (ET) Thanks! I thought it was a problem with Yahoo. And I agree with rainy_lilac- "Draco" is aptly named! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:38:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3362 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3341] Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said.... Date: 7/5/00 12:38 pm (ET) >>>>I seem to remember and interview (maybe her interview with the COnnection?) in which Jo said that Hagrid is her favorite character, and that she wouldn't kill him off. <<<< This is funny, because I remember reading an interview in which she said that Prof Lupin was her favorite character! AND she said that he would re-appear later in the series. When you've got a character that is so talented in DADA, and was able to teach Harry some potent advanced magic, you KNOW he's not going to be wasted. If she ever bumps him off, I'll have to go into black mourning. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 16:44:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3363 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3360] Re: On the Subject of Leaking Spoilers.. Date: 7/5/00 12:44 pm (ET) >>>>>>Now, appetizers I would like to have. I just don't want the entire book spoiled by some dimwit. <<<<< A very important difference!! The source I have been talking to has been delightful, and I can tell has thoroughly enjoyed the book. She has been delightfully restrained about spoiling the juiciest part, offering mostly little hints (all of which I asked for like an eager puppy) which give just enough info to give plenty to guess about. THIS is fun. What you have described is a drag. NOT REALLY A SPOILER BUT..... *LOL* .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Goblet of Fire clearly kicks butt!! It sounds to me like we are all going to be licking our chops and relishing every bit of it!!! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: Magick and Mundane-ness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3364 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Magick and Mundane-ness Date: 7/5/00 1:05 pm (ET) Was there ever anyone who was going to school, watching Bewitched, Sabrina (the Archie cartoon, not the ABC prime-time) and the other witch shows, wondered how on earth to tap that power in order to magically swoosh be transported from one side of the building to the other in order not to be late for class? Or to create a doppelganger to take your place when you really didn't want to go to a certain class? Just memories.... Dee From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:19:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3365 From: dee_97527 Subject: Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 1:19 pm (ET) Nancy Stoffer and her lawyer were on CNN's Burden of Proof today. I only saw the last few minutes. The transcript should be posted on their web page later today. http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/bp.html I will have to see what I missed. Diann From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:23:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3366 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3344] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 1:23 pm (ET) Hi: Spoiler space inserted as this conatains information from someone who says they have read book 4. S P O I L E R S P A C E Simon -- I agree with your analysis that McGonagall might be the one to die. If the rumour that it's a teacher is true, McGonagall fits. She's also someone that the readers care about. Her death would be "upsetting" but not "damaging." Dumbledore could also be said to fall into the category of "teacher," but like you, I think he's needed as Harry's mentor for the remaining books. I fully expect him to die -- but at the end of Book 6 or somewhere in Book 7. Going with the teacher theory still -- are there any other teachers we'd care about if they died? What if Snape is redeemed and dies? Hooch, Pompfrey, Sprout, Flitwick, Trelawney -- probably none of those are people we care about. Is Hagrid still going to be a teacher? I too have heard JKR say that *Lupin* is her favorite character . . . does she have 2 favorites (Hagrid & Lupin)? The other possibility is that the death we'll all care about could very well be a character we don't know yet. The new DADA instructor?? I for one would have been very sad & upset if Lupin had been killed off at the end of Book 3, and yet he was a new character in Book 3. I would have been similarly upset if Black had been killed off in Book 3 (or is killed off in Book IV). So . . . isn't it possible it's someone we don't know yet, rendering the conjecturing meaningless? <g> Penny From houston425 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:24:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3367 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3365] Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 1:24 pm (ET) Ahh.. yes. You should hear their explanation for how Rowling got a hold of the book. One winding theory was that it was displayed at a toy fair in Germany... and then there was one of the British bookstores at this fair... and it is possible that JKR might have gone to this bookstore.... Give me a break! And when asked what kind of settlement would be acceptable... Well.. Ms. Stouffer would like to have her book on a level playing field.... She wants to have her stuff marketed... she, of course, will need some money to do that .... and oh yes... the death threats need to stop. I sure hope they do not settle with her. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:25:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3368 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3365] Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 1:25 pm (ET) I can't believe that anyone who has actually read what her lawsuit is about would actually give her the time of day, much less put her on TV!! Man, they must be desperate for topics. Unless, of course, they grind her into the dirt.... Christine From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 17:53:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:53:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3369 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3368] Re: Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 1:53 pm (ET) I don't think it has to do with being desparate for topics. I think it has more to do with the fact that she needs the publicity and Harry's in the news alot lately (gee, I can't understand why <vbg>). I agree, her lawsuit is extremely frivolous and born of intense jealousy that no one existing on earth has heard of her or her book, whereas only those living under a rock during the last couple of years haven't heard of Harry. I've seen her site and read the bulk of the lawsuit and do not see that she really has a leg on which to stand. I've also done some hunting for her book and can find no trace of it. Perhaps like the "Invisible Book of Invisibility" it has completely disappeared... Let's hope good sense prevails in this case. Trina From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: Magick and Mundane-ness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3370 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Magick and Mundane-ness Reply To: [Yahoo! #3364] Magick and Mundane-ness Date: 7/5/00 2:00 pm (ET) OMIGOD! Is anyone here old enough to have watched the "Dark Shadows" soap opera on TV in the late '60s? That show warped me for life!! Vampires and werewolves and witches and ghosts and disembodied hands, and Dr. Julia always saying "Barnabas, Barnabas" in front of every sentence. What a trip! There were a lot of TV movies on the supernatural made during this time as well, and I devoured stories of the occult. Good fun, great memories ..... From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3371 From: Danemead Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3366] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 2:07 pm (ET) Speculation only..... S P O I L E R S P A C E It won't be Snape who dies -- I think that he's necessary in the context. There wouldn't be the tension in Harry's studies if all the teachers liked or admired him. It would be too dull. You've got to have strong villains in literature like HP. Someone also speculated about Voldemort taking over Hogwarts. I don't think this is realistic either in the longrun, since JKR is writing one book for every year Harry is in school. I think it would be a waste of 'atmosphere' to take away the wonderful creation that is Hogwarts, and transfer all the kids to some temporary school. JMO From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:11:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3372 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3368] Re: Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 2:11 pm (ET) A side note on the copyright issue. I just finished reading "The Silver Kiss" by Annette Curtis Klause, published in 1990/91, and in it there is a store in the local shopping mall called "Muggles" -- should we notify Stouffer's attorney? LOL! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:13:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Subject: Magick and Mundane-ness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3373 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Magick and Mundane-ness Reply To: [Yahoo! #3364] Magick and Mundane-ness Date: 7/5/00 2:13 pm (ET) I loved Bewitched when I was a kid. I used to try and wriggle my nose like Samantha and hope that something magical would happen. To this day, when I meet someone named Darren I want to call him Darwood instead. (Endora was always one of my favorites; even though she was so mean.) I guess in the larger scheme of things Bewitched is just a stupid tv program, but compared to the crap on tv today it seems great. At least it inspired my imagination -- which is more than anything I have seen recently on tv does. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:34:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3374 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3369] Re: Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 2:34 pm (ET) I searched wide and far for her book and cannot find it. I think she is a gold-digger. It is also worth mentioning, ahem, that Rowling ahs never used "Muggles" as a trademark. She is using it as a WORD. I have no doubt that Stouffer's website will milk this for all it is worth. Her claims that Rowling is somehow responsible for her "death threats" is particularly abusive. From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 18:56:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: Stoffer again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3375 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: Stoffer again Reply To: [Yahoo! #3365] Stoffer again Date: 7/5/00 2:56 pm (ET) The transcript is up! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 19:14:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3376 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3366] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 3:14 pm (ET) Spoiler space - not sure if this is still needed but will leave it in to be on the safe side! S P O I L E R S P A C E "are there any other teachers we'd care about if they died? What if Snape is redeemed and dies? Hooch, Pompfrey, Sprout, Flitwick, Trelawney" The rumour is that Snape will be redeemed but not until book 7. As to the other teachers Flitwick I would care for and maybe sprout but the others are hardly in it. "Is Hagrid still going to be a teacher?" I have been giving this almost as much thought as the death one. I hope he still is a teacher but that someone takes him aside to point out about lesson planning and to give him more confidence. "So . . . isn't it possible it's someone we don't know yet, rendering the conjecturing meaningless? " Even if it is completely meaningless I still enjoy the conjecturing! Simon From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 19:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: NY Times Square!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3377 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: NY Times Square!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3376] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 3:32 pm (ET) For everyone who has booked a flight, bought train tickets, rented a car, etc. to come and participate in this big event, cancel your plans. I've done an absolutely exhaustive search, and there is nothing happening here in Times Square. What a bummer... From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 19:57:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: Newsweek interviews JKR Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3378 From: triner2001 Subject: Newsweek interviews JKR Date: 7/5/00 3:57 pm (ET) Evidently this will be in next week's issue, but the interview can be read on the following site: http://www.msnbc.com/news/428500.asp Nothing really new, but thought y'all would like a look. Trina From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 20:51:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3379 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Reply To: [Yahoo! #3316] Re: tOLKIEN (WAS: Real Audio Date: 7/5/00 4:51 pm (ET) The Hobbit, boring? You must be kidding. Maybe for one chapter, but perhaps if you try reading beyond that you might find some really exciting parts! Not only that, the "boring stuff" is wonderful in it's own right, and kind of amusing. (Bilbo with the dwarves that keep on showing up on his doorstep.) Lord of the Rings is this century's masterpiece for a very good reason. I love my Harry Potter, but I like LOTR even a little bit more, myself. Don't get me wrong, I love both! Maybe for those with short attention spans, the movies starting Christmas 2001 will be a better choice. *shrug* Jarnor23 From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 20:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3380 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3376] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 4:51 pm (ET) I might as well put spoiler space too, since everyone else has - aren't we well-behaved? S P O I L E R S P A C E I think I could create a whacky theory for every single character dying a grisly death, with the exception of Harry, Hermione and the ghosts. As for teachers, I think I would be less bothered about Flitwick dying than Trelawney (I love the tension between her and McGonagall). I wouldn't count Pomfrey as a teacher. McGonagall is quite a possibility. I agree now that Snape, Dumbledore and Hagrid are out. Sprout and Hooch are extras... Vector and Sinistra haven't opened their mouths yet. Who in the world can it be? I quite like the idea that we will see a new character who makes us care for them, but gets killed, but I'm sure this 'death' reference must refer to an established character. Oh, hell... this is driving me nuts. Neil Sorry, I didn't say anything new there - just rambled. From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:03:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3381 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3342] Re: Hagrid Theory... Uhmmm... JK said... Date: 7/5/00 5:03 pm (ET) Of course, I saw once in an interview where she said something along the lines of, "I try not to ever say I won't do something, because then I nearly always end up doing it." Heh, had to throw that out there. Jarnor23 From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:08:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3382 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3336] Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Date: 7/5/00 5:08 pm (ET) Because the death didn't actually occur. What actually happened is that two Harrys and Hermiones were both there, and the axe swipe they heard was not ever Buckbeak being killed, it was the executioner smacking it in frustration at the fact Buckbeak was gone. Saving Buckbeak didn't happen later, it happened right when we were reading it the first time, except we didn't know it then. :) Plus, as you said, I doubt JKR would be so unoriginal as to repeat the exact same kind of thing twice like that. The only thing I expect out of GoF is to be surprised. :) We may indeed see a ghost of whoever dies later, but the person is still dead. Obi-Wan and Yoda were still toast at the end of Jedi.. It's just showing the truth of the matter, that we are beautiful beings with indestructable souls that will live on after we leave this world. Jarnor23 From Jarnor23 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:17:00 2000 From: Jarnor23 at yahoo.com (Jarnor23) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:17:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3383 From: Jarnor23 Subject: Re: Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Reply To: [Yahoo! #3351] Wizard Bureacracy and Apparating Date: 7/5/00 5:17 pm (ET) Well, I think it's something along the lines of this: They didn't actually cast the magic themselves, so it's technically okay. Hey, after all, in Dungeons and Dragons or a fantasy book a fighter can use a magic sword, but that doesn't mean he enchanted it. You're right about the bureacracy though. I wonder if muggles have so much by learning it from wizards, or if it's just natural to some kinds of humans to like such inane complication. :) Jarnor23 From sakerio at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:23:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3384 From: sakerio Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 5:23 pm (ET) Wow! I love the visisble build up that's happening! I don't think I been this hyped about a new book before, glad to see I'm not alone! I am still trying to decide where I'm buying the book on Saturday but I would love to be at one of the big events. Unfortunately I am saving for a Halloween trip to New Orleans so I guess it's gonna be plain ol Waldenbooks. Well at least Saturday will not be boring! BTW who is this "Stoffer" person? I must have missed the original story. I gather from the talk that it involves a law suit, but I would appreciate some more info. Rio From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:23:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:23:00 -0400 Subject: Newsweek interviews JKR Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3385 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Newsweek interviews JKR Reply To: [Yahoo! #3378] Newsweek interviews JKR Date: 7/5/00 5:23 pm (ET) >>>Evidently this will be in next week's issue, but the interview can be read on the following site: >>>http://www.msnbc.com/news/428500.asp I found it at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/428200.asp From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:27:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3386 From: hert0661 Subject: Teachers Date: 7/5/00 5:27 pm (ET) I was thinking earlier today about the number of teachers at Hogwarts. I got as far as, from book 3: Dumbledore (Does he teach?) McGonagall - Transfiguration Snape - Potions Hagrid - CMC Sprout - Herbology Trelawney - Divination Sinistra - Astronomy Vector - Arithmancy Hooch - Flying / Quidditch Lupin - DADA Flitwick - Charms Binns - History of Magic Someone for Muggle Studies, Ancient Runes. That makes 14 by my count and there could be others that I have missed. Are there more teachers? Or do this lot do a wonderful job of teaching all the students? Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:39:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3387 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: The Exicitement builds............ Reply To: [Yahoo! #3384] The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 5:39 pm (ET) "BTW who is this "Stoffer" person?" Stouffer is someone who is suing JKR for the use of the word 'muggles' and similarities between her books and Harry Potter. She has an web site (something like www.realmuggles.com) on whihc she details her complaints. It makes interesting reading. A while back we wnet through a lot of her complaints and made points on how they appeared in nearly ever book on a similar storyline (starting at message 1951). Her claims seem to be based on getting some money from JKR or publicity for her books which seem to have never been properly publushed in the UK or USA as no one could find any record of them! Simon From sakerio at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 21:54:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3388 From: sakerio Subject: Re: The Exicitement builds............ Reply To: [Yahoo! #3387] Re: The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 5:54 pm (ET) Thanks Simon for the reference I really did not want to tackle the archives without a lead. Trying to keep up with the dailies is a task! I kinda figured it was something to that effect. Rio From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:04:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:04:00 -0400 Subject: Newsweek interviews JKR Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3389 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Newsweek interviews JKR Reply To: [Yahoo! #3385] Re: Newsweek interviews JKR Date: 7/5/00 6:04 pm (ET) I committed a typo!! Please forgive me! Trina, who in her excitement over Harry has forgotten how to type. ;^) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:12:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:12:00 -0400 Subject: Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3390 From: babynick34 Subject: Saturday Date: 7/5/00 6:12 pm (ET) Hi all Well, still no press release from Bloomsbury - I wonder if they will ever issue one! While hunting for more links to news stories around the globe... I found a reference to Saturdays event in London at The Times: http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/06/24/timwekwek02005.html Just incase anyone is interested in seeing a picture of the train they have hired. Nick. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:20:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3391 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Exicitement builds............ Reply To: [Yahoo! #3387] Re: The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 6:20 pm (ET) >>...her books which seem to have never been properly published in the UK or USA as no one could find any record of them!<< I read the transcript of CNN's Burden proof (link is listed in an earlier post) and although NS didn't say a lot (left it all to her lawyer) she did say that her book was printed/distributed mainly in New England and in some book fairs in Germany. She also reported that she has a common law trademark of the word "Muggles" and is in the process of getting a federal trademark. Also reported that this is the 3rd time she has had to sue over the word. Another point that was brought up was that JKR could have been exposed to NS's work while she was in the US on a work-study program or in Germany where these book fairs were held. Scenario: JKR walks into a bookstore/fair possibly picks up The Legend of Rah, flips through it, puts it down and recalls it (albeit dimly)and uses portions in her books years later. To me this seems like saying that simply because JKR was maybe in the same room she was subconsciously influenced by it. Sorry for the rant. This mess just makes me ill (in the US southern Ill=irked, irritated, angry meaning of the word) Trina From vderark at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:33:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3392 From: vderark Subject: Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3382] Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Date: 7/5/00 6:33 pm (ET) That brings up an interesting point. My wife and I were discussing this post today (as we were checking out which of the local bookstores had the coolest midnight party planned). She pointed out too that Buckbeak never died at all. But then we started trying to think of ANYONE--human or animal--who has died in the saga. Apart from some muggles killed by Peter (an act blamed on Sirius), have there been any deaths at all? The only ones I can think of are the ghosts, and that includes Myrtle, the only one killed the last time the Chamber was opened. The people petrified in CoS all managed to avoid actual death, and sometimes in, let's face it, HIGHLY contrived ways. Of course, we are meant to believe that Harry's parents are dead, but even that seems to be open to question in this magical world. Why does he hear their voices? Are they trapped somewhere, waiting to be released, something like the way Voldemort was "trapped" in Quirrel in book 1? Endlessly wondering Steve Vander Ark Library Media Specialist Byron Center Christian School Byron Center, Michigan From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:45:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3393 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3392] Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Date: 7/5/00 6:45 pm (ET) >>Of course, we are meant to believe that Harry's parents are dead...Why does he hear their voices? Are they trapped somewhere...?<< Remember, one-year-old Harry was there the night Voldemort killed his parents and attempted to kill him. Just because he cannot volitionally recall the events does not mean that they are not embedded in his memory. The dementors bring these memories forth because the event is the most traumatic thing that has ever happened to Harry. I do not believe that James & Lily are trapped anywhere. Why would Voldemort try to trap his enemies when killing rids him of them permenently? Trina From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:46:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3394 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3344] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 6:46 pm (ET) Spoiler (and conjecture based on spoiler). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <This has lead me to go with the teacher idea. Leaving me suspecting McGonagall to die.> I hope not, but I've thought of who might replace her as Transfigurations professor (if my theory is correct). How does Professor Crookshanks sound? I'm still convinced he's an animagus. Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 22:54:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3395 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3386] Teachers Date: 7/5/00 6:54 pm (ET) I'm not sure whether you meant all the teachers we've seen during Harry's time at Hogwarts, or only the simultaneous ones. If it's the former, there are also: Quirrell - DADA Lockhart - DADA Kettleburn - CMC (Hagrid's predecessor). Melanie From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 23:01:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3396 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: The Exicitement builds............ Reply To: [Yahoo! #3391] Re: The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 7:01 pm (ET) >>>>>>>I read the transcript of CNN's Burden proof (link is listed in an earlier post) and although NS didn't say a lot (left it all to her lawyer) she did say that her book was printed/distributed mainly in New England and in some book fairs in Germany. >>>>>> She claims this, and yet her books are not registered with the Library of Congress, nor are they found in Books-in-Print-- this is becasue the books were self-published, that is "vanity" published. "Distributed" can mean just about anything-- distributed by whom? All evidence seems to suggest that she is her own distributor. Nobody here has been able to track down any copy of her books-- and we have tried. >>>>>>>She also reported that she has a common law trademark of the word "Muggles" and is in the process of getting a federal trademark. Also reported that this is the 3rd time she has had to sue over the word.>>>>>>>>> She is sueing left and right apparently, and where the word is being used as a trademark to sell a product, she may have a case. Rowling is not using the word "muggles" as a trademark: she is using it as a word. In order to claim infringment, NS would have to demonstrate that her trademark was so well known that Rowling had to have been capitalizing it, and that Rowling use of the word resembled hers closely and capitalized on her trademark. No such thing has been proven. It is patently absurd. >>>>>>>>>Another point that was brought up was that JKR could have been exposed to NS's work while she was in the US on a work-study program or in Germany where these book fairs were held.>>>>>> These are unsupported claims. Rowling never took part in a Work Study program in the United States, and although she "could have" gone to the trade fair, there is no evidence to suggest that she actually did, nor has anyone suggested any good reason why she WOULD have. In 1987, Rowling was about 19 years old and in college-- why would she have been at a trade fair???? I could go on..... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 23:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3397 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3394] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 7:03 pm (ET) Hi: Spoiler (and conjecture based on spoiler). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <<<I've thought of who might replace her as Transfigurations professor (if my theory is correct). How does Professor Crookshanks sound? I'm still convinced he's an animagus.>>> <vbg> I too have long thought that there is more to Crookshanks than meets the eye. Animagus? I think so. Penny From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 23:04:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3398 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3394] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 7:04 pm (ET) > Spoiler (and conjecture based on spoiler). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > <This has lead me to go with the teacher idea. Leaving me suspecting McGonagall to die.> > I hope not, but I've thought of who might replace her as Transfigurations professor (if my theory is correct). How does Professor Crookshanks sound? I'm still convinced he's an animagus. What about Dumbledore? Wasn't he the old transfiguration teacher during Voldermorts time at the school? Nicholas From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 23:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: *** RANT Warning***** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3399 From: plinsenmayer Subject: *** RANT Warning***** Date: 7/5/00 7:13 pm (ET) Hi: I just have to fume & rant about this some more. I was watching NBC evening news, and they had a report on the HP phenomenon. First off, there was never any mention that adults read these books for themselves. It's all about the children readers. Which is fine, if you consider that the point of the news spot is to show that the HP books have inspired a renewed interest in reading by children and touched off more creativity in children. Fine. Side note: they also had some children's lit professor from MN who said the books were "formulaic, simplistic and sexist." He said they were preventing children from reading "classic" children's lit. He doesn't think the HP books are particularly well-written or good literature. Hmmm. I read something in one of the recent articles from an online link that this book will spur more criticism than in the past (i.e. that the media is tired of just praising HP and JKR and they'll now shift to more critical views). ******** BEGINNING OF RANT ********** Then, they segue into the publishing phenomenon (usual statistics about the books far outstripping other books in terms of sales, biggest first print run ever, etc.). Then, they note that (you guessed it!) the NY Times has decided to create this separate children's bestseller list. They interviewed the NYT Book Review editor, and he confirmed it: the whole reason is to free up space on the adult list for "adult" books. I just wanted to scream at him through my TV set (I think I did -- could check with the dogs)!!! Maybe when the media covers all the bookstore events this coming weekend, they will uncover the truth: there is a large contingent of HP fans who are adults (many of whom are not necessarily parents). This issue makes me so crazy . . . . Penny From curie76 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 00:53:00 2000 From: curie76 at yahoo.com (curie76) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3400 From: curie76 Subject: Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Reply To: [Yahoo! #3397] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/5/00 8:53 pm (ET) <<< <vbg> I too have long thought that there is more to Crookshanks than meets the eye. Animagus? I think so. >>>> My own wild Crookshanks theory: He's Lily or James' old cat. I don't think he's animagus, but I do think he's very clever. (Hedwig has set a precedent.) He's too much of a cat to be human. Maybe he's a wizard permanently trapped in a cat's body so long he doesn't know how to be human or something even stranger. I just can't figure out how he knew that Scabbers was Peter! Why did he help Sirius? I do have one transfiguration question that I'd love to hear a discussion on. If it's possible for someone to change themselves into an animal, do you think it's possible for someone to change themselves into another person? If so, who? Think of the possibilities with that one! Lord Voldemort masquerading as Neville! (: Sunny P.S. Sorry to intrude. I've been trying to catch up to this list for the past couple of weeks and finally gave up! My goodness, you all write a lot. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 01:17:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: personality page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3401 From: christineoswell Subject: personality page Date: 7/5/00 9:17 pm (ET) This is a link for another page that describes the different personality types. I thought it was a bit better than the keirsey site for the descriptions. http://www.personalitypage.com/home.html From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 01:17:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3402 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #3400] Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Date: 7/5/00 9:17 pm (ET) The tip off for me is that Crookshanks had been in the pet shop for a very, very long time.... I seem to remember an unsual period of time.... before Hermione was mysteriously drawn to him. Don't know who he is, but he is freinds with Sirius and hates Pettigrew-- he must be a blast from the past! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 02:33:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: The Exicitement builds............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3403 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Exicitement builds............ Reply To: [Yahoo! #3396] Re: The Exicitement builds............ Date: 7/5/00 10:33 pm (ET) Very nice rebuttal to all NS complaints. I was merely reporting and too rumpled up in spirit to respond either coherently or intelligently. Of course the whole thing was decidedly one-sided (guess whose side)... I feel a rant coming on... I guess I'll shut up now... Trina From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 02:35:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3404 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3386] Teachers Date: 7/5/00 10:35 pm (ET) Your list of teachers seems pretty complete to me, Simon. The only thing you could add are the staff members -- Madam Pince the librarian; Madam Pomfrey the school nurse (witchdoctor?); Filch the caretaker; and I suppose the ghosts. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 02:49:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3405 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3404] Re: Teachers Date: 7/5/00 10:49 pm (ET) I guess if you include the ghosts, then what about --> Mrs. Norris that nasty ole security cat. Comment: It's not fair, there fewer pages to read in the UK version of HP4. Darn.. Darn... It'll take us longer to read the US version. :-) DR From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 04:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:27:00 -0400 Subject: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3406 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3382] Re: The 'Hagrid' theory - more... Date: 7/6/00 12:27 am (ET) "Because the death didn't actually occur. What actually happened is that two Harrys and Hermiones were both there, and the axe swipe they heard was not ever Buckbeak being killed" Okay... that explains it. I just like to air my flawed theories now and again :) Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 04:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3407 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Date: 7/6/00 12:53 am (ET) While we're speculating about Crookshanks - who, I must agree, is more than a plain old cat - does anyone have a theory about The Sorting Hat? JKR has said that it is a character in its own right and that we would find out more about it later in the series. I like the idea of a trapped spirit - perhaps that of the former headmaster (whose name escapes me), who was around when Dumbledore was a young teacher. Has there always been a Sorting Hat? If not, how were the students sorted before it was created? On Crookshanks and transfiguration:. I've just finished another Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci book, and in that there is a cat called Fiddle, which was not only created from a violin, but which holds one of the lives of the nine-lived enchanter Cat Chant, the main character in the book. At one point, Cat touches Fiddle's head and can feel the wood of the violin under his fur. Creepy. I know that's a different author and a different book, but it reminds me of mention, here, of transiguration of living creatures from inanimate objects (mice from snuff boxes etc.), and presumably in the opposite direction. In short, I wouldn't trust anything to be what, or who, we think it is! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:04:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3408 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3405] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 1:04 am (ET) If I may link this 'teachers' thread with my Sorting Hat questions, do you think the teachers have to be sorted if they aren't former pupils of the school? We know that there are other wizarding schools, so it's safe to assume that not all the Hogwarts teachers went to Hogwarts themselves. I would assume that any new non-Hogwartonian teacher would have to be sorted. If they aren't sorted, how would, say, McGonagall, end up as Head of Gryffindor House? Do the House heads have to be former pupils of the school? I doubt it. Who is head of Ravenclaw House? This isn't stated (is it?) and most people assume it's Flitwick. If there's no former Ravenclaw on the staff, does the role default to a Ravenclaw prefect, or remain vacant? At my old school, all the teachers were sorted into Houses. In fact, *we* got to choose our House, but the teachers - I imagine - were allocated Houses by the Head. Perhaps our Headmaster had a sorting hat in his study, or maybe he tapped them on the head with his pipe and made three wishes or something. Neil From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:18:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:18:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3409 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3407] The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Date: 7/6/00 1:18 am (ET) what's the name of the book? sounds interesting... Norevoli From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:19:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0400 Subject: the accident release Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3410 From: norevoli Subject: the accident release Date: 7/6/00 1:19 am (ET) I'm very very very sorry if this has already been said, but apparently when the story about Laura (the girl who got the early HP book) came out they said that it was Wal-mart who had sold her the early copies... norevoli From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:26:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:26:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3411 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3409] Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Date: 7/6/00 1:26 am (ET) "what's the name of the book? sounds interesting... Norevoli" It's called "Charmed Life", but I'd suggest reading "The Lives of Christopher Chant" before it (even though it was written after it). Neil From magicalhp at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:32:00 2000 From: magicalhp at yahoo.com (magicalhp) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter fans are invited! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3412 From: magicalhp Subject: Harry Potter fans are invited! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3410] the accident release Date: 7/6/00 1:32 am (ET) Hi all! Stopped by to extend an invitation and was so intrigued by the discussions here I got lost in them for a few hours. <g> Great club! Er well, now on to business.. we would like to cordially invite you to check out our new Harry Potter site <A HREF="http://home.earthlink.net/~griffre/HarryPotter.html">The Magical World of Harry Potter</A>! We'd love to have you and if you have a minute, feel free to take our Potter Poll as we are especially keen to see what people think. Nitwick, Oddment, Blubber, Tweak and Cheers! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:40:00 -0400 Subject: Er, Nitwick? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3413 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Er, Nitwick? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3412] Harry Potter fans are invited! Date: 7/6/00 1:40 am (ET) Nitwick, Oddment, Blubber, Tweak and Cheers! Not being picky (okay, yes I am!) but Dumbledore says: "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" Unless, 'Nitwick' is another of those bizarre Americanisms! Neil From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:41:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:41:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3414 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3408] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 1:41 am (ET) >>>We know that there are other wizarding schools, so it's safe to assume that not all the Hogwarts teachers went to Hogwarts themselves. I would assume that any new non-Hogwartonian teacher would have to be sorted. And what about the other schools? Do they have sorting hats and houses as well? It would be interesting to see what sort of practices are world-wide. My highschool had a sister school in Japan - do you think any of the Wizarding schools do anything like that? Alliances and rivalries amongst themselves? What about curriculum? And wizarding laws? Are they standardized throughout the world? All kinds of questions running around in my brain..... From magicalhp at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:45:00 2000 From: magicalhp at yahoo.com (magicalhp) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Subject: Er, Nitwick? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3415 From: magicalhp Subject: Re: Er, Nitwick? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3413] Er, Nitwick? Date: 7/6/00 1:45 am (ET) LOL!! Pardon the typo. Thanks for the catch! From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 05:48:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: the local hype Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3416 From: christineoswell Subject: the local hype Date: 7/6/00 1:48 am (ET) Well, I finally got around to trading in my second copy of PoA yesterday. Since my grandmother lost my copy of PS (as well as my sister can't seem to find my copy of CoS), I decided to go for a hardcover copy of PS. When I walked into the bookstore, there was a big table right out front, covered in a red cloth. There were box-like shapes under the cloth. Around the table were various signs about Harry Potter and their launching party (which doesn't happen till 2pm Saturday). I was really tempted to peek under the cloth, but was discouraged by a beefy security guard hired to stand by the table. With all the trouble I've been having lately with false info on my credit rating, I figured the last thing I need is a police file stating something like "arrested while trying to sneak a peak at the cover of a popular children's novel before it's release". Guess I'm going to have to wait till Saturday like everyone else.... Christine From houston425 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 06:02:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3417 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3408] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 2:02 am (ET) >>Who is head of Ravenclaw House? This isn't stated (is it?) and most people assume it's Flitwick. If there's no former Ravenclaw on the staff, does the role default to a Ravenclaw prefect, or remain vacant?<< I can't imagine that they would leave a post like that vacant. And I don't think a prefect is a satisfactory replacement for a teacher. But now that I'm thinking it through... what exactly does McGonagall do for the house? I know that she is in charge of their punishments... anything else? Is that all that the head of the house does? That doesn't seem right. Maybe she helps and guides them with things like their class schedules. She did get Hermione her time-turner. Laurie (brought up more questions than answers!) Ooohh... just remembered that she does paperwork tasks such as picking up permission slips. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 06:03:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:03:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshank (was: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3418 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Crookshank (was: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3394] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/6/00 2:03 am (ET) > How does Professor Crookshanks sound? I'm still convinced he's an animagus. One old and often-asked question: if his real name is something other than Crookshanks (the name given him by the pet store), why didn't Lupin notice on the Marauders' Map? One new question (at least, I've never heard it asked before): isn't it dangerous for a wizard to be trapped in the form of a tomcat, as responsible pet owners get their cats fixed? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 06:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:07:00 -0400 Subject: Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3419 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Reply To: [Yahoo! #3400] Transfiguration and a Certain Cat Date: 7/6/00 2:07 am (ET) > If it's possible for someone to change themselves into an animal, do you think it's possible for someone to change themselves into another person? We've already seen that a person can change into another person for one hour by using Polyjuice Potion. Incidentally, I'd LOVE to change into a cat 'furry' (anthromorph) as did Hermione. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 06:11:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:11:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3420 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The Sorting Hat Reply To: [Yahoo! #3407] The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Date: 7/6/00 2:11 am (ET) > I like the idea of a trapped spirit - perhaps that of the former headmaster (whose name escapes me), who was around when Dumbledore was a young teacher. The former headmaster was a jerk. He couldn't sort students accurately. I've already said that we can't distinguish by behaviour between a trapped spirit in an artifact, an artifact with an artificial intelligence created by magic, and an artifact enspelled with a really thorough program IF... THEN.... ELSE IF..... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 06:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:15:00 -0400 Subject: Tranfiguration (was: Sorting Hat) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3421 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Tranfiguration (was: Sorting Hat) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3407] The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Date: 7/6/00 2:15 am (ET) > of transiguration of living creatures from inanimate objects (mice from snuff boxes etc.), and presumably in the opposite direction. Teapot into tortoise and back again. McGonagall's desk into a pig and back again. Teacups into rats and back again. When the teapot is transfigured into a tortoise, which is a living thing, where did the life come from? (Do tortoises have souls? In my religion they do.) When the tortoise is transfigured back into a teapot, is that murder of a tortoise? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 10:11:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:11:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3422 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #3407] The Sorting Hat/Crookshanks Date: 7/6/00 6:11 am (ET) "I like the idea of a trapped spirit - perhaps that of the former headmaster (whose name escapes me), who was around when Dumbledore was a young teacher." The headmaster in Riddle's day was Dippet. We can take that the sorting hat has been around for a while as Riddle recognized it in CoS. As to how long it has been around I am not sure. I would guess quite a while as it does very little each year but is in a bashed up state. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 10:15:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:15:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3423 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3408] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 6:15 am (ET) "Who is head of Ravenclaw House?" I had always assumed this to be Fliwick but I am not totally sure. This also givews the other question of who is head of Hufflepuff. "Do the House heads have to be former pupils of the school?" It is stated several times that Hogwarts is the best school. This would suggest that it gets the best staff - with the exception of the job no-one wants! I would take it from this that the staff went to Hogearts as well. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 10:21:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:21:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 death Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3424 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: book 4 death Reply To: [Yahoo! #3394] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/6/00 6:21 am (ET) Spoiler (and conjecture based on spoiler). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <This has lead me to go with the teacher idea. Leaving me suspecting McGonagall to die.> If McGonagall was to die how upset would Hagrid be? Do people think that he does fancy her? Does she like him? I am basing these questions on the fact that she blushes when he kisses her at the Christmas dinner in PS. "I hope not, but I've thought of who might replace her as Transfigurations professor (if my theory is correct). How does Professor Crookshanks sound? I'm still convinced he's an animagus." I am sure he is just one very clever cat. If he could work out the Black was not a dog then I would guess that Black would be able to work out if he was an animagus. However he could have left Crookshanks as some sort of protection for Harry, if he is really a wizard. I just cant understand why he hasn't revealed this secret if he is a wizard. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 11:22:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:22:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3425 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3423] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 7:22 am (ET) "I had always assumed this to be Fliwick but I am not totally sure. This also givews the other question of who is head of Hufflepuff." Sprout is head of Hufflepuff, I think. Flitwick seems the logical head of Ravenclaw only because he has featured a bit. Trelawney is an unlikely Ravenclaw (I'd put her in Slytherin, to be honest). The elusive Vector and Sinistra could both qualify as 'learned types' and even Professor Binns is a possibility. As usual, I suggest everybody, so I'm bound to be correct... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 11:36:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:36:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3426 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3424] Re: book 4 death Date: 7/6/00 7:36 am (ET) <<"Do people think that he does fancy her?">> I find the idea of Hagrid 'fancying' Professor McGonagall highly amusing. "It's like this, see. Erm, I FANCIES yer, Professor McGonagall an' I always 'as, if the truth be known!" blurted Hagrid, suddenly, shuffling from foot to foot and pulling at his beard. "Oh Hagrid!" shrilled Professor McGonagall, as a blush came to her cheeks. "Your words of flattery fill me with girlish glee. Oh, oh... FIFTY points to all Houses and treacle pudding all round!!" McGonagall walked to the door, closing it firmly, before shedding her glasses, loosening her tight bun of hair, and turning to face her secret admirer. Don't even go there! Neil From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 12:55:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:55:00 -0400 Subject: *** RANT Warning***** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3427 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: *** RANT Warning***** Reply To: [Yahoo! #3399] *** RANT Warning***** Date: 7/6/00 8:55 am (ET) Your rant was much needed, thank you. True my 13 year old brother in law does read these lovely books however I have read all of them so far and he's still trying to get through the Diagon Alley chapter in SS. or PS. (depending on where you are.) I think though that this Professor forgets that "classic" literature is far more sexist, racist and formulaic, however this literature does not get classified as such because it created the formulas and the acceptable level of the negative "ist"s. More over with in reason who cares what children/ students are reading as long as they are reading! On a more personal note.... I ordered my copy of 4, YAY... YOO HOO... Yippie! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 13:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:09:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3428 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: The Sorting Hat Reply To: [Yahoo! #3420] Re: The Sorting Hat Date: 7/6/00 9:09 am (ET) Hmmmm... I like the Sorting Hat very much. It appears to have a connection to Godric Gryffindor, since it brought Harry his sword, right? On the other hand.... "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you cannot see where it keeps its brain." From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 13:56:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: *** RANT Warning***** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3429 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: *** RANT Warning***** Reply To: [Yahoo! #3427] Re: *** RANT Warning***** Date: 7/6/00 9:56 am (ET) >More over with in reason who cares what children/ students are reading as long as they are reading! Exactly.. at least people (adults and children) are reading... many adults, myself included, do not read fiction... until HP came out... instead all I used to read where technical books such as Perl programming, Java apps etc. Goosebumps had a similar problem I seem to recall - people thinking it unsuitable as reading material. But I've not heard much about the Pokemon books - they are awful. The kids I nanny for keep wanting me to read them as bedtime stories... and I hate them. I keep asking them if I can read HP instead. Nick. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 14:02:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:02:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3430 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3408] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 10:02 am (ET) <Who is head of Ravenclaw House? This isn't stated (is it?) and most people assume it's Flitwick. If there's no former Ravenclaw on the staff, does the role default to a Ravenclaw prefect, or remain vacant?> I've always assumed that, when a new head of house was needed, the position just went to the most qualified (or most senior) teacher, regardless of the teacher's own house affiliation. But then, I'm not familiar with the British muggle school system, let alone the wizard one. Melanie From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 14:04:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers-- kind of off topic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3431 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Teachers-- kind of off topic Reply To: [Yahoo! #3425] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 10:04 am (ET) What to the dorm heads do?? Oh God, I used to have this job! LOL!! Years ago I taught at a prep school in Vermont, and one of my duties was what was called by the teachers "Dorm Dealage." I had a suite of rooms in the girls dorm, served as sort of their in-house "Mom" and all-purpose adviser, and on certain nights was in charge of keeping an eye on things. There were two teachers assigned to each dorm. I think my main job was simply to make sure they were in bed-- and in their own beds-- at the appropriate hour, and to see to it that they actually woke up and made it to breakfast and their morning classes (breakfast was required). I also organized evening activities and special field trips for "my girls"-- berry picking, concerts, movies, camping or what have you. The big hit was the semester I taught and evening activity on fortune telling-- every kid in the school wanted to get into that one! I have no trouble understanding why Harry Potter is such a hit with kids! We had a blast. By the end of the semester my girls were trying to teach themselves levitation. Oh, I was alo in charge of belly-button inspection to make sure that nobody was piercing their own navel with a safety pin. (A big issue, I kid you not!) I was sort of casual about bedtimes (my style was way more Hagrid than McGonnagal!) I would just wander into the common room at about 10:00 and announce that it was time to start thinking about bedtime. As long as people were in bed within a reasonable time span, I was fine. The other teacher in the dorm though was called "Fearless Leader" behind her back and insisted that the common room be cleared and all light out at 10:15 on the dot. She would run around with a flashlight looking under the doorcracks to see if any lights were still on. Poor thing, she was really ready to crack by the middle of the year! I always foudn that if you are reasonable and willing to bend small rules, the kids make up for it by being very cooperative and agreeable. The three girls that everyone warned me would be the "bad girls" turned out to be absolute dears and no trouble at all-- it meant something to them to be given the benefit of the doubt. (Of course for all I know they may have been smuggling dragons behind my back....) At the end of it all, I was voted favorite teacher! :-) That was something I was very proud of! I treated my whole dorm to suckers that turned their tongues hideous colors, and which they all loved for that reason. My new profession pays the bills better than that one did, but it is nowhere near as satisfying.... Excuse my typos-- I am typing VERY fast these days.... --Suzanne From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 14:20:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: A few words... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3432 From: triner2001 Subject: A few words... Date: 7/6/00 10:20 am (ET) Nitwit, blubber, oddment, tweak! Sorry, the wait for #4 has made me a bit giddy! A few thoughts on a few of the last postings. Penny, Professor MN irked me too! Formulaic, indeed! All children's literature is formulaic. It's the ideas inside the story and how the formula is presented that makes it imaginative and wonder-filled. And as for it not being a classic, well, let's just wait a few years and see how it holds up. My guess is that children (and adults) will still be reading it after all the hoopla is long gone. And just who determines what a children's classic is? Dried-up old gits like him? Or the children who keep returning to the books time and again? Crookshanks an animagus? I don't think so. Who named him? Well, he does appear to be a Jellical cat, just an extremely perceptive and independent cat. (But if he ever breaks out into "Memory" I will start to worry.) I think the sorting hat is an extremely old being, perhaps the somehow encapsulating the characteristics of Godric Gryffindor, Salazar Slytherin, Helga Hufflepuff, and Rowena Ravenclaw, so that it is capable of recognizing them in the students in order to sort them properly. Just my opinions. Trina From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 15:09:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:09:00 -0400 Subject: A theory of my own... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3433 From: pt4ever Subject: A theory of my own... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3432] A few words... Date: 7/6/00 11:09 am (ET) I'll put in some S P O I L E R S P A C E just to be safe, but I don't know if it's needed. :) I've always thought that Harry is the last remaining descendant of Godric Gryffindor, which is why Voldemort tried to kill Harry and James, but not Lily. Voldemort, the Heir of Slytherin, is most likely hell-bent on extinguishing all remaining descendants of his rival Godric Gryffindor, and James was one. Then Harry was born, ensuring that the line would continue, so Voldemort decided they had to die. Plus, it's stated (in PoA? Maybe it was SS) that the Potter family lived in "Godric's Hollow." Perhaps this is some sort of family property, passed down from generation to generation...and it could also explain why the Potters were so wealthy. Family money. Just a thought...I can't *wait* for book 4! -- JoAnna From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 15:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Subject: A theory of my own... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3434 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: A theory of my own... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3433] A theory of my own... Date: 7/6/00 11:27 am (ET) I'll leave the spoiler space in! S P O I L E R S P A C E <Plus, it's stated (in PoA? Maybe it was SS) that the Potter family lived in "Godric's Hollow." > In the first chapter of PS, said by McGonagall. "Perhaps this is some sort of family property, passed down from generation to generation...and it could also explain why the Potters were so wealthy. Family money" This has always confused me. At first it is said that Harry has lots of money but in PoA it changes to saying that he is having to be careful with it to make sure he does not run out. Matbe they are not as rich as they once were. Also what has happened to the destroyed house and land it is on. Technically this belongs to Harry but no mention is made of what has happened to it. If he is Godric's decendant then I would guess that they would have a fair amount of land. Even the 'poor' Weasley's have a paddock in which they can fly their brooms. Would Harry want to go and live there after what has happened? Simon (asking more questions than he is answering!) From sakerio at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 15:27:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Subject: Animagus theories............ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3435 From: sakerio Subject: Animagus theories............ Date: 7/6/00 11:27 am (ET) My connection went down last night so I just got caught up here, but I think the "Crookshanks" theory may not be far off. If that one holds water, what about Hedwig? I have considered that perhaps Lily and James were hidden for their own,and Harry's protection, while insisting to be near Harry? Rio, happily re-reading PoA to kill time From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 15:33:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:33:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3436 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3430] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 11:33 am (ET) "I've always assumed that, when a new head of house was needed, the position just went to the most qualified (or most senior) teacher, regardless of the teacher's own house affiliation." This would, I think, depend on the teacher. Some would be happy to be head of any house but some would have deeper loyalties and would only be head of the house they were in. I am not sure it would go on seniority but more on ability. It is hard to view qualifications as they would vary across the different subjects. "But then, I'm not familiar with the British muggle school system, let alone the wizard one." I am not very up on this kind of school system and I am British. As for the wizard one - I am yet to see any sign of it. The Ministry of Magic is doing its job too well! Simon From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:10:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3437 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3409] Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Date: 7/6/00 12:10 pm (ET) the new chrestomanci book? mixed magics From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:11:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3438 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3411] Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Date: 7/6/00 12:11 pm (ET) charmed life isn't new, it was wriiten bout 15 years ago! From kaywon3 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:27:00 2000 From: kaywon3 at yahoo.com (kaywon3) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 romance Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3439 From: kaywon3 Subject: book 4 romance Date: 7/6/00 12:27 pm (ET) I'm new to the list, but I absolutely love the Harry Potter books, and I wanted to join in on the excitement! There was a bit of speculation that the romantic element in book 4 may be between Cho Chang and Harry... what do you think of that? Is that likely? -Kay From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3440 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3426] Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/6/00 12:48 pm (ET) >>>>McGonagall walked to the door, closing it firmly, before shedding her glasses, loosening her tight bun of hair, and turning to face her secret admirer. Don't even go there! Neil <<<<<<< Sorry, Neil. I went there. I pondered the basics of human anatomy. I said, "Ouch!" Shamefully yours.... Danemead From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:56:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:56:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Press Release about Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3441 From: babynick34 Subject: UK - Press Release about Saturday Date: 7/6/00 12:56 pm (ET) Hi all I'm off out to 2nd job of the day, so this has to be quick... details about Saturdays event and the Tour at available at: http://new.bloomsbury.com/press_release.htm On the morning of 8th July, Platform 1 at Kings Cross Station will be transformed into Platform 9'. Bloomsbury has recreated the Hogwarts Express, complete with red steam engine renamed the Hogwarts Express for the occasion. JK Rowling will be available for a press call at 11am on Platform 9' this is for photographs and filming only, no formal interviews will be given. A very limited number of interviews have been arranged to take place on the train, however the schedule is now fully booked. The Hogwarts Express will depart Kings Cross at 11.27am. [Please note that any photographers or cameramen attending events at stations need to contact the Railtrack Safety Briefing desk on Platform 1 on arrival.] More about the tour at: http://new.bloomsbury.com/press_release.htm Nick. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 16:58:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3442 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3440] Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/6/00 12:58 pm (ET) >>>>McGonagall walked to the door, closing it firmly, before shedding her glasses, loosening her tight bun of hair, and turning to face her secret admirer. Don't even go there! Neil <<<<<<< Awww come on! Go there! This has the makings of fan fic! "Minerva..." Hagrid murmured softly as her eyes turned his, her pale face framed by her beautifully shimmering, unfettered black hair. Her eyes were a pale green, flecked with amber. He had never seen them fully before, hidden as they were behind her heavy spectacles. She stepped forward, a kittenish growl rising within her throat, a smile upon her lips which were no parting softly.... Stepping forward, she seemed sleek somehow, graceful in a way thatw as entirely new. Hagrid stepped backward, eyes wide, and stumbled over the large potted plant that was behind him..... From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 17:11:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:11:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers-- kind of off topic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3443 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Teachers-- kind of off topic Reply To: [Yahoo! #3431] Re: Teachers-- kind of off topic Date: 7/6/00 1:11 pm (ET) That was a nice story, Suzanne, thanks. From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 17:13:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: A few words... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3444 From: norevoli Subject: Re: A few words... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3432] A few words... Date: 7/6/00 1:13 pm (ET) <<<Crookshanks an animagus? I don't think so. Who named him? Well, he does appear to be a Jellical cat, just an extremely perceptive and independent cat. (But if he ever breaks out into "Memory" I will start to worry.)>>> The only thing that does click in my head about the "Crookshanks being a Wizard" theory is that I would think that Pettigrew or maybe even Black would have recognized him "as not being a cat", just like Crookshanks had recognized him as "not being an ordinary dog". Do think that animagi have the ability to identify other animagi? Without looking up the references on the markings of other animagi of course... From houston425 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 17:14:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter on CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3445 From: houston425 Subject: Harry Potter on CNN Date: 7/6/00 1:14 pm (ET) I thought I would pass this on. This organization fights the attempts to ban Harry Potter. You can check them out at http://www.mugglesforharrypotter.org "Muggles for Harry Potter will be coming to a TV screen near you tonight (July 6th) when CNN runs a report on our successful fight against the restrictions imposed on Harry Potter books by the school superintendent in Zeeland, Michigan, last year. The report will be broadcast as part of the World News Tonight, which airs at 8 p.m., Eastern Daylight Time. A CNN producer, reporter and film crew spent two days in Zeeland interviewing members of the local Muggles group as well as two supporters of the restrictions. The piece that they have produced runs four minutes, which is "extremely long" by CNN standards, reports producer Bettina Hutchings. World News Tonight will carry reports on two other aspects of the Harry Potter phenomenon on Friday and Saturday." From houston425 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 17:20:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:20:00 -0400 Subject: A few words... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3446 From: houston425 Subject: Re: A few words... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3444] Re: A few words... Date: 7/6/00 1:20 pm (ET) <<<The only thing that does click in my head about the "Crookshanks being a Wizard" theory is that I would think that Pettigrew or maybe even Black would have recognized him "as not being a cat", just like Crookshanks had recognized him as "not being an ordinary dog". Do think that animagi have the ability to identify other animagi? Without looking up the references on the markings of other animagi of course... >>> If Crookshanks is an animagus then I think he must be an illegal one. Hermione looked up animagi while she was doing her homework and that book describes what animal they turn into and what kind of markings they have. You would think Hermione would recognize her own cat in there. They didn't start animagi until after third year started, so she already had her cat. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 17:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3447 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3438] Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Date: 7/6/00 1:48 pm (ET) "charmed life isn't new, it was wriiten bout 15 years ago!" I didn't say it was new. I mentioned its plot, and Norevoli asked what it was called. Neil From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 18:35:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3448 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Reply To: [Yahoo! #3447] Re: Diana Wynne Jones Chrestomanci Date: 7/6/00 2:35 pm (ET) ok, sorry From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 18:48:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: Right Now!! HP on Talk of the Nation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3449 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Right Now!! HP on Talk of the Nation! Date: 7/6/00 2:48 pm (ET) Those of you who listen to NPR, turn onyour radios! They will be talking about Harry Potter on "Talk of the Nation" in ten minutes, for the next hour. It is a call in show! So yes, you can dial in and maybe be on the air!! Rah rah! Let's make a pitch for keep HP on the bestseller lists!! Let's show them that adults like this too! --Suzanne From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 19:09:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: NPR Show Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3450 From: yrbecca_call Subject: NPR Show Date: 7/6/00 3:09 pm (ET) FYI check http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/ To find out when Talk of the Nation is airing near you (unfortunatly my NPR does not carry it, funny I thought it was a national show....go figure) Thanks for the heads up Rainy!!!! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 19:18:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: NPR Show-- call in!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3451 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: NPR Show-- call in!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3450] NPR Show Date: 7/6/00 3:18 pm (ET) (800) 989 8255 From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 20:03:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:03:00 -0400 Subject: Harry on the news Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3452 From: triner2001 Subject: Harry on the news Date: 7/6/00 4:03 pm (ET) Tonight on CNBC at 6:30 pm EDT, Harry & Scholastic is the topic. Will Harry help Scholastic's stock go up? In the next hour (4:00 pm EDT,MSNBC) they plan on talking about Harry. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 20:36:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Question for all Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3453 From: triner2001 Subject: Question for all Date: 7/6/00 4:36 pm (ET) I was wondering what butterbeer tastes like. I think it is something like toffee or a butter rum lifesaver in liquid form. What do y'all think? TWO MORE DAYS!!! I CAN'T STAND IT!! Trina From annies_star at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 20:59:00 2000 From: annies_star at yahoo.com (annies_star) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter e-cards Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3454 From: annies_star Subject: Harry Potter e-cards Date: 7/6/00 4:59 pm (ET) Amazon has some Harry Potter electronic greeting cards: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=fantasandsciencf&path=tg/cards/br owse-cards/-/403598/1 (This should link right to them, I hope!) From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 21:04:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3455 From: Danemead Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Date: 7/6/00 5:04 pm (ET) Read the arguments against Harry Potter. These are too funny, and yet sadly pathetic because these people are Sirius (oops, I mean "serious"). http://www.mugglesforharrypotter.org/potter2.htm This is an actual quote from one of the articles: "The drug message in this book [Sorcerer's Stone]is clear. To reach your goals in life like Harry Potter you need to know how to make drugs and take drugs in just the right way or else you are a "dunderhead" and will never succeed." From shari23518 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 22:30:00 2000 From: shari23518 at yahoo.com (shari23518) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Kids reluctantly catch the Harry hook... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3456 From: shari23518 Subject: Kids reluctantly catch the Harry hook... Date: 7/6/00 6:30 pm (ET) I teach 7th grade English and have gotten a few reluctant readers to read this book. I let one of my students use the first book that I had bought from Scholastic book club. My wonderful book, with nary a crease in the binding, was trashed. But in return for the misused book, a young boy began reading the series. I'd say that's a good trade-off. Now I get all the books in hardback. I also have bought some Harry Potter posters from bookstores and students wonder what the book is about. I tell them its the best book I've read since The Phantom Tollbooth. I am thinking of using book one to teach the novel. I think the characters are well developed and the plot keeps readers in suspense. I can't think of a better book to use to entice reluctant readers... From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 22:48:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3457 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Need a Good Laugh? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3455] Need a Good Laugh? Date: 7/6/00 6:48 pm (ET) >>>>Though Harry's adventures are obviously not religious instruction books, they employ heavy use of Wicca symbolism, language and themes. Wicca is now granted IRS status as a religion and the Department of Defense supplies chaplains for Wiccan folks serving in the U.S. military forces. "Harry Potter" is to Wicca what "Adventures in Odyssey" or "McGee and Me" (fanciful Focus on the Family videos and books) are to the Christian religion.<<<<< Is it just me, or have they TOTALLY missed the point of the word "fantasy"? I think there is a big difference between wizards and witches of fantasy and Wicca. Personally I didn't see any sort of reference to Wicca in the books, other than the term "witch", especially since they celebrate Christian holidays. It seems to me that the foundation writing these reports is a little upset at Wicca becoming an official religion, and are lashing out. It is sad to see arguements made in ignorance because you know there are other ignorant people out there who will believe it... From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:00:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:00:00 -0400 Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3458 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Need a Good Laugh? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3457] Re: Need a Good Laugh? Date: 7/6/00 8:00 pm (ET) I didn't consider laughter. I thought about crying. They were truly stretching for something to complain about in regards of the drug themes. I wonder if they consider Chemistry class a wondrous place to learn about drugs as well! And as for the comments about Halloween, they obviously have no idea the history of the holiday. Halloween is All Hallow's Eve. All Hallow's Day is November 1st, most commonly known as All Saint's Day, which is a Christian holiday. Back when the early Christian church was first growing, many people still held onto the old holidays/fests like Samhain and so, the Catholic Church developed a holy day to be at the same time in order to absorb the old ways into the Christian way. Christmas is in winter, Easter is in spring, for the same reason. By now, Halloween is so secular and non-religious in that is really is about candy and costumes. This is all I know about the holiday, if anyone else knows more about it, speak up! And I know people will.<vbg> Trina From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:06:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:06:00 -0400 Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3459 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Need a Good Laugh? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3455] Need a Good Laugh? Date: 7/6/00 8:06 pm (ET) <<In the "Sorcerer's Stone," Harry is told that "there is no good and evil, there is only power... and those too weak to seek it." This presents "good" (the weak) as losers. Also, there is good and evil in the world. God and Satan are real and to suggest anything else will lead someone into a world of lies. (Gen. 2:19, 3:5)>> This is the one that got to me! If this person had read the book, they'd know that the villain was the one who told him this. It was SUPPOSED to be false and twisted! From kaywon3 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:22:00 2000 From: kaywon3 at yahoo.com (kaywon3) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: Who will die in Book 4? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3460 From: kaywon3 Subject: Who will die in Book 4? Date: 7/6/00 8:22 pm (ET) Click on the link to take an official poll on who you think will die in book 4! See how many people share your opinion! http://zaplet.zaplet.com/servlet/Z?m=2_QAx3zh-D9bkEwTdbdLxoBFnD From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:45:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:45:00 -0400 Subject: Help me! What does Binns teach? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3461 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Help me! What does Binns teach? Date: 7/6/00 8:45 pm (ET) Someone please tell me this - I keep forgetting what Proffesor Binns teaches! This is killing me - someone - help!! Nicholas From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:55:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:55:00 -0400 Subject: Help me! What does Binns teach? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3462 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: Help me! What does Binns teach? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3461] Help me! What does Binns teach? Date: 7/6/00 8:55 pm (ET) Professor Binns teaches the History of Magic. He is considered to be rather boring and transparent...which is to be expected since he is a ghost! From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:56:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3463 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3442] Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/6/00 8:56 pm (ET) Please! I'm only 16 - aaaaaaaaaaargfgh *scarred for life by appauling image* Nicholas From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 00:57:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:57:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3464 From: babynick34 Subject: UK - Saturday Date: 7/6/00 8:57 pm (ET) Hi all Anyone planning on attending the press launch on Saturday at Kings Cross needs to know the following: Location: Platform 1. (renamed 9 3/4) Time: 11am to 11.30am As the press will gather at Platform 1, perhaps we should meet at Platforms 9-11 entrance as previously discussed. Now we have timings... how about 10.30am as the time to meet. If anyone wants full details about the event, see an earlier posting for the press release URL. Also, if you want to follow the Hogwarts Express - details are now at: www.broomsticks.org Nick From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 01:01:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:01:00 -0400 Subject: What Pictures? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3465 From: babynick34 Subject: What Pictures? Date: 7/6/00 9:01 pm (ET) Hi all As I'm taking the camera to Kings Cross, I will try to upload pictures as soon as I can after the event (though I am working that evening). I am also possibly going to try to go to a book signing... if I do go... would anyone be interested in pictures of that event, or will that be Just Too Much! Nick. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 01:31:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 romance Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3466 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: book 4 romance Reply To: [Yahoo! #3439] book 4 romance Date: 7/6/00 9:31 pm (ET) <<I'm new to the list, but I absolutely love the Harry Potter books, and I wanted to join in on the excitement! There was a bit of speculation that the romantic element in book 4 may be between Cho Chang and Harry... what do you think of that? Is that likely?>> I hope so, but mostly because Ms. Rowling has said that the book 4 romances will all be with the "wrong person" ;) The people who I want to be together by the end of book 7 (providing they're alive, of corse)are: Harry + Ginny Ron + Hermione Severus + Minerva Nearly Headless Nick + Fat Lady Dumbledore + Pomfrey Draco + anonymous non-Slytherin From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 02:15:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Need a Good Laugh? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3467 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Need a Good Laugh? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3458] Re: Need a Good Laugh? Date: 7/6/00 10:15 pm (ET) I read the offending page, and all I have to say has been said best by JK Rowling: "But he wished he hadn't said anything. If there was one thing the Dursleys hated even more than his asking questions, it was his talking about anything acting in a way it shouldn't, no matter if it was in a dream or even a cartoon - they seemed to think he might get dangerous ideas" (SS/PS page 26 in the US hardback edition I happen to own) I think she had already sumed it up best beforee the others even started... I just came across tyhat this evening, and thought about the days discussion.... Anna From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:02:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Time Square? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3468 From: smitster1 Subject: Time Square? Date: 7/6/00 11:02 pm (ET) If anyone sees any "details" about Friday night's event, please post it here. I've seen three references to a Time Square lighting (Sunday's NY Times front page article, this week's Newsweek article, and an older NY Times article from about 2 months ago). Thanks...may see ya...may not.... From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:03:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Oops on previous message Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3469 From: smitster1 Subject: Oops on previous message Date: 7/6/00 11:03 pm (ET) Sorry...I'm talking about in New York. Sorry 'bout that! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:15:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0400 Subject: A bit of whimsy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3470 From: triner2001 Subject: A bit of whimsy Date: 7/6/00 11:15 pm (ET) In honor of the occasion I have written a short song. I was inspired by "One Day More" from _Les Miserables_, but in the spirit of the Hogwarts school song, pick a tune you like and sing along! One day more till Harry Potter. One day more till happiness. I will spend the whole day reading So my house will be a mess. One Day More! I'll learn to be a wizard >From McGonagall, Snape, and Dumbledore. Dear Professor Flitwick, His Charms class won't be a bore. One Day More! Harry has his best friends Ron And know-it-all Hermione. What exiting new adventures Will await these heroes three? One Day More! Till Book Four!! Feel free to add more verses. I consider this a work in progress. Trina From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:30:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:30:00 -0400 Subject: Our posts come Saturday... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3471 From: norevoli Subject: Our posts come Saturday... Date: 7/6/00 11:30 pm (ET) How is this going to work exactly? I mean, I still want to be roaming around the club but i also want to stay away from story spoilers! It would be nice to go through the book and have some discussion or opinions on what will happen next. I think it would make the book even more interesting don't you? How about this: if we really really really really, feel the need to post and a question or start a discussion maybe what we should do is post subject headings with the page # and give a little spoiler space. That way we can look through the archives and pick the messages on pages we've already read but not on ones that we haven't ?? What do you think (I came a cross an idea on this at an e-group. Sorry if someone's already mentioned it...) norevoli From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:39:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Song Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3472 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Song Date: 7/6/00 11:39 pm (ET) My friend Lee wrote: There's a song by Dave Weingart that's gotten high praise from those who heard it (but I don't know the tune) that you'll find at http://home.ggn.net/~phydeaux/myfilks.html#justaboynamedharry. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:47:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:47:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3473 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3426] Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/6/00 11:47 pm (ET) > <<"Do people think that he does fancy her?">> > I find the idea of Hagrid 'fancying' Professor McGonagall highly amusing. There are a LOT of fanfics on the subject at FF.net. Mostly ones in which for the first time he is bold enough to express his feelings and she suddenly realizes she reciprocates. However, my friend Lee, one of the allegedly rare adults who found the HP books to be perfectly adequate fantasy novels but not anything to get obsessed about, is sure that that famous peck on the cheek at Xmas is a clue that Hagrid and McGonagall have been having a secret affair for decades. I said "Couldn't be! McGonagall is a lesbian who's been with the same partner since college days. I've been wondering who her partner is ... maybe Madam Hooch. They call each other Minnie and Hoochie (with even more absurd nicknames for extremely intimate moments), and when Minnie talks about the latest idiocy of the Ministry of Magic or some new discovery in Transfiguation theory, Hoochie listens to every word and laughts at all the jokes, because Minnie always knows anything, but when Hoochie talks about what players should be cut from the England team, Minnie looks attentive and hears one word out of four while thinking her own thoughts. They used to always have a pet cat, each in turn named Tommy, until Minnie first became an Animagus and practised rather a lot, and Hoochie got jealous of what the two of them might be saying to each other in Cat." From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 03:50:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3474 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3430] Re: Teachers Date: 7/6/00 11:50 pm (ET) > 've always assumed that, when a new head of house was needed, the position just went to the most qualified (or most senior) teacher, regardless of the teacher's own house affiliation. Part of the qualification would be being able to relate to the students. Since house assignment is based on personality traits, I think it would be unlikely for the teacher who had been Sorted into a different house to be able to relate well to the students in this house. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 04:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: A theory of my own... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3475 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: A theory of my own... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3433] A theory of my own... Date: 7/7/00 12:02 am (ET) > and it could also explain why the Potters were so wealthy. Family money. I think the Potters were not *that* wealthy. They just saved their money carefully, and the resulting sum *looked* large to 1) a child who 2) had never had any money. I suppose a mere couple of hundred dollars would make a huge pile if it were in pennies, I mean Knuts. I suppose it would be repetitive if I once again repeated my theory about wizard money, "which probably *does* grow on trees. Very heavily guarded trees." To which Lee replied that maybe a money tree is given to each couple at their wedding. When young, it grows only enough money to support two healthy young people with an economical lifestyle, but when it reaches maturity (ten years or so), it bears enough to support a family of four in a middle-class lifestyle (but not a family of nine, which is why the Weaselys are so poor). And the tree dies if the couple gets divorced, which (says Lee) is as good an explanation of why no one gets divorced as my theory about putting love spells on themselves. IIRC Hagrid explained that wizard money was right easy: twenty nine Knuts (bronze) to a Sickle (silver) and seventeen (or was it nineteen?) Sickles to a Galleon (gold). Of course, those are prime numbers, so nothing can cost half a Sickle or one-third of a Galleon. I wonder if that is a parody on pre-decimalization British money like guineas and shillings. However, I think it should be 13 Sickles to the Galleon, to fit the calendar. 29 bronzes to a silver for 29 1/2 days to a lunar month. 13 silvers to a gold for 12 1/3 lunar month to a solar year. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 04:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's love fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3476 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Reply To: [Yahoo! #3440] Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/7/00 12:06 am (ET) > Sorry, Neil. I went there. I pondered the basics of human anatomy. I said, "Ouch!" Uh, haven't you ever heard of size queens? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 04:16:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:16:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3477 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3464] UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 12:16 am (ET) I am very envious of all you who live in London who are going to this event. I hope you realize that the rest of us are expecting a minute-by-minute description as well as photographs. From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 04:36:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter on CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3478 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry Potter on CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3445] Harry Potter on CNN Date: 7/7/00 12:36 am (ET) What did you all think of the CNN report? I was kind of mad they talked about the blood, violence, etc. and none of the positives... I'm afriad it gave people the wrong impression. But at least we now know the *real*, *true* reason they want to ban Harry... Because he QUESTIONS AUTHORITY!!! (As if all authority were equal!) From houston425 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 05:17:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:17:00 -0400 Subject: Our posts come Saturday... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3479 From: houston425 Subject: Re: Our posts come Saturday... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3471] Our posts come Saturday... Date: 7/7/00 1:17 am (ET) <<How about this: if we really really really really, feel the need to post and a question or start a discussion maybe what we should do is post subject headings with the page # and give a little spoiler space. That way we can look through the archives and pick the messages on pages we've already read but not on ones that we haven't ?? >> Maybe instead of page #'s we use chapter #'s since our pages will be different than our friends across the pond and above our borders. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 05:21:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter on CNN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3480 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter on CNN Reply To: [Yahoo! #3478] Re: Harry Potter on CNN Date: 7/7/00 1:21 am (ET) >>>>I was kind of mad they talked about the blood, violence, etc. and none of the positives...<<< I was re-reading the books, and I came across the scene at the school Halloween party where Nearly Headless Nick re-enacts his beheading for the amusement of the students and teachers. I was thinking how seriously peculiar and warped this bit might seem to someone who didn't understand that kind of 'Addams Family' humor. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 05:58:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 01:58:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3481 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3464] UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 1:58 am (ET) "As the press will gather at Platform 1, perhaps we should meet at Platforms 9-11 entrance as previously discussed. Now we have timings... how about 10.30am as the time to meet." That sounds good to me! I should just have time to pick up GoF from WH Smiths in Lewisham before catching the train to King's Cross. Unless, WH Smiths decide to wait until later in the day before unveiling the books... in which case, they will be off my Christmas card list. Nick, did you say something about needing permission to take photos? Is it worth me bringing a camera at all if I don't have permission? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 06:12:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:12:00 -0400 Subject: 'Lesbians' theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3482 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: 'Lesbians' theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3473] Re: Hagrid's love fantasy Date: 7/7/00 2:12 am (ET) "McGonagall is a lesbian who's been with the same partner since college days. I've been wondering who her partner is ... maybe Madam Hooch." Strange as it may seem, this crossed my mind too, not that JK Rowling is likely to incorporate scenes of Sapphic domestication into the series. When my old school merged with the local girls' High School, we were suddenly blessed with women teachers (unheard of in the boys' Grammar School, but in the majority at the High School). Two of these teachers - the deputy head and the games mistress - 'lived together'. The deputy head was severe and saracastic and wore those sort of retro glasses with pointy edges (except they weren't quite so retro then) and strings of pearls; the games mistress, on the other hand, was a thin 'jolly hockey sticks' type with short, grey hair and an aggressive manner. Uncanny, now I think of it. Neil From standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 06:20:00 2000 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com (standardbookofspellsgrade7) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:20:00 -0400 Subject: Released early again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3483 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 Subject: Released early again Date: 7/7/00 2:20 am (ET) Now Longs Drugs in Sacramento accidentily released the book two days early... Gosh that book looks thick! So close and yet sooo far! Standard Book of Spells Grade 7 who will stardardly stand in line to pick up the book on reserve at 12:01 in the freakin morning, LOL! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 06:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:24:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3484 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3475] Re: A theory of my own... Date: 7/7/00 2:24 am (ET) "Of course, those are prime numbers, so nothing can cost half a Sickle or one-third of a Galleon. I wonder if that is a parody on pre-decimalization British money like guineas and shillings." I think that's very likely! The use of prime numbers obviously reinforces the idea of the Magic world being 'different', unconventional, and adherent to impractical traditions. I think the vault numbers in PS were 711 and 713 - also prime numbers - so this prime number thing may be some aspect of the goblin world, incorporated into Gringotts' trading practices. As an aside - how about Griphook as the new DADA teacher? JKR did say it was someone mentioned on Book 1. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 06:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:30:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3485 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3477] Re: UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 2:30 am (ET) "I am very envious of all you who live in London who are going to this event. I hope you realize that the rest of us are expecting a minute-by-minute description as well as photographs." Don't tempt me into a minute-by-minute description, Joywitch, you might regret it! Incidentally, is there anyone else here who lives in London? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 06:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 02:33:00 -0400 Subject: Our posts come Saturday... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3486 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Our posts come Saturday... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3479] Re: Our posts come Saturday... Date: 7/7/00 2:33 am (ET) "Maybe instead of page #'s we use chapter #'s since our pages will be different than our friends across the pond and above our borders." That sounds like an excellent idea... but I'll probably give the club a wide berth for the first few days! Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 08:17:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:17:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3487 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3484] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 4:17 am (ET) "I think the vault numbers in PS were 711 and 713 - also prime numbers" This is a case of the pedantic mathematician! 711 = 3 * 237 Thus is not a prire number. Also 711 is Sirius' bank vault so is not mentioned until PoA I am not sure that we are told the number of Harry's vault. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 08:25:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 04:25:00 -0400 Subject: Our posts come Saturday... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3488 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Our posts come Saturday... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3486] Re: Our posts come Saturday... Date: 7/7/00 4:25 am (ET) "That sounds like an excellent idea... but I'll probably give the club a wide berth for the first few days!" So will I until I have read the new book. Anyone posting to this group with information from the new book can you remember a couple of points. 1) Dont give anything away in the subject line. Just write something like discussion of book 4. 2) Remember to include a spoiler space. This should be at least the number of lines long that it takes to write spoiler space with one letter on each line. 3) When replying - put your message after the spoiler space. 4) It is unfair to expect everyone to have read the book as quickly as you may have done. Remember to be considerate. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 10:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:14:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3489 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3487] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 6:14 am (ET) "This is a case of the pedantic mathematician! 711 = 3 * 237" I was on the train, this morning, thinking about the prime number thing, and suddenly realised that 711 was divisible by 3 (and by 9 - 9x79). Then I thought, 'I bet Simon will point this out'. And so you did! So, which was the vault with the Philosopher's Stone in it? (sorry I don't have the books here... and my memory is fading). Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 10:25:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:25:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3490 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3489] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 6:25 am (ET) "Then I thought, 'I bet Simon will point this out'. And so you did!" Well I am pedantic at times! Also 713 = 23 * 31. This took me a lot longer to realise. "So, which was the vault with the Philosopher's Stone in it?" It was in vault 713. Sirius has vault 711 Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 10:33:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter film Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3491 From: hert0661 Subject: Harry Potter film Date: 7/7/00 6:33 am (ET) I have just heard that the casting director has walked out on the film. She is stating the director is asking for too much in the search for a kid to play Harry. It is believed that he is also after an American. More news when I find some Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 10:38:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:38:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3492 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3490] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 6:38 am (ET) "Also 713 = 23 * 31. This took me a lot longer to realise." Thank you, Carol Vorderman! Bang goes another of my ill-conceived theories... Neil Apologies for this UK-centric reference... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 11:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:49:00 -0400 Subject: Deaths... still Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3493 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Deaths... still Date: 7/7/00 7:49 am (ET) In a recent interview, JK Rowling says, of GoF: "This is the book in which the deaths start - I always planned it this way. It has become a bit of an 'idee fixe' with me. I have to follow it just the way I wanted to write it and no one is going to knock me off course." So, more deaths, and no compromising for the kids or the 'ban the book' Christians! Can I be the first to say I can't wait for Book 5? Neil From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 12:33:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:33:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3494 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3487] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 8:33 am (ET) >>> Also 711 is Sirius' bank vault so is not mentioned until PoA I am not sure that we are told the number of Harry's vault. >>> When are we told the number of Sirius' vault? As I recall, it's never specifically mentioned by name, is it? -- JoAnna From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 12:50:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post "Adult Harry Potter" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3495 From: arawa_99 Subject: Washington Post "Adult Harry Potter" Date: 7/7/00 8:50 am (ET) I found this on the Washington Post website - the lady emailed me on Wednesday, but I didn't klnow the article would be out so soon - doesn't say a lot, but is definately positive! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59142-2000Jul6.html You may have to copy and paste it as I dont know how to make it a link.... Anna From patlwebb at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 13:15:00 2000 From: patlwebb at yahoo.com (patlwebb) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Stationery Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3496 From: patlwebb Subject: Harry Potter Stationery Date: 7/7/00 9:15 am (ET) For the occasion of the release of book IV, I made a stationery for Outlook Express featuring Harry and Hogwarts. It's entitled "Owl Mail" and is in my Yahoo Briefcase under stationery. http://briefcase.yahoo.com/patlwebb From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 13:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3497 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3495] Washington Post "Adult Harry Potter" Date: 7/7/00 9:43 am (ET) Hi: *Finally*!!! Acknowledgment that we adult fans are out there. We need more publicity of this sort. Hey, maybe I'll email the link to this article to the NY Times. <vbg> Yes . . . I think I will. I was also pleased at the mentions of this Board. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:00:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:00:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3498 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3497] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 10:00 am (ET) <<*Finally*!!! Acknowledgment that we adult fans are out there.>> Yes, and meanwhile, in the UK, Amazon.co.uk reveal that GoF is the biggest online seller ever. "One in 150 children in Britain have pre-ordered a copy," said a spokesman. All those children using their credit cards again! When will these dunderheads wake up and see that it's mostly adults ordering the books? BTW, I converted a work colleague last week! She's read PS and is now champing at the bit for CoS. Perhaps I should go door-to-door, spreading the word about the good book(s)? Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Please Remember to Use Spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3499 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Please Remember to Use Spoilers Date: 7/7/00 10:04 am (ET) Hi guys: I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but please remember to use spoilers for anything related to Book 4. SUBJECT HEADINGS The Subject Heading should clearly state SPOILER. The heading should NOT give away anything (i.e., if you used SPOILER -- DEATH OF HAGRID, that would be pointless!). I like the suggestion of using a Chapter reference in the subject heading. So . . .the ideal subject heading is going to read: ***SPOILER -- Chapter 14 ***** SPOILER SPACE Be sure to use spoiler space. If you immediately launch into your spoiler thoughts, they will be clearly visible to everyone on the Home Page. Writing SPOILER SPACE with one character per line seems to work well. I will probably avoid all HP email until I'm done with the book. Of course, I plan to be done at some point on Sat night or Sunday morning, so it won't be a long hiatus for me. But, we should all be considerate of those who need or want to take a more leisurely read. Happy Harry Potter Weekend to you all! Penny From houston425 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:17:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: Here's our chance to speak out!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3500 From: houston425 Subject: Here's our chance to speak out!!!! Date: 7/7/00 10:17 am (ET) Harry Potter will be the topic on CNN's Talkback Live. Here is our chance to speak out!!! If you haven't seen Talkback Live it is an interactive show on one topic. You can email, fax, phone or go in the chat room. They will display comments on the bottom of the screen from the chat room throughout the show, read the emails and faxes and answer phone calls. Be warned that the topic heading I saw was "The Trouble with Harry Potter." Here is how you can interact with the show: E-mail: talkback at cnn.com Phone: 1-800-310-4CNN FAX: 1-800-310-4FAX Chat: http://www.cnn.com/chat/talkback.html From houston425 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:18:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Talkback Live Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3501 From: houston425 Subject: Talkback Live Time Date: 7/7/00 10:18 am (ET) Ooops... Forgot the time Talkback Live airs at 3 p.m. EDT From naraht at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:22:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:22:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3502 From: naraht Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3497] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 10:22 am (ET) Hi! I'm one of the people mentioned in the article and the one who gave her the information on what sort of things we discuss here. My name is Randolph Finder (The one who told his mother-in-law about HP. :) I gave her even more information on myself and the board than she wrote (I tried mentioning that we work against HP being censored but that didn't get into the article. She contacted me because I am in this forum, but apparently didn't read the posts in the forum because she didn't know anything about the type of stuff on the board when she contacted me by email. Randy Finder From naraht at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:30:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3503 From: naraht Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/7/00 10:30 am (ET) Have the professors who serve in these positions been identified? If not, any ideas out of the professors who have been identified? Randy From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: :( Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3504 From: GypsyCaine Subject: :( Date: 7/7/00 10:42 am (ET) Looks like I won't even get to start reading HP's SS until my loan check comes in this week ( :( big time!) let alone read book 4. I am so discouraged. (If I wanted to cheat, I have 3, but I refuse to read out of order!) :( :( Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 14:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3505 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3503] Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/7/00 10:43 am (ET) "Have the professors who serve in these positions been identified? If not, any ideas out of the professors who have been identified?" Sprout is Head of Hufflepuff. The jury is still out on Head of Ravenclaw... Neil From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 15:03:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3506 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3497] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 11:03 am (ET) USA Today also has an article that admits that adults read Harry Potter. http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm Diann From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 15:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:17:00 -0400 Subject: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3507 From: plinsenmayer Subject: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Date: 7/7/00 11:17 am (ET) Hi: I just got an email and call from the Web and Tech Correspondent for MSNBC. Their Homepage program today (1:00 to 4:00 pm EST) will feature HP, and we will definitely be mentioned & highlighted. She says: If your club members want to talk about Harry Potter, they can email us during our program today, at homepage at msnbc.com. Or they can join our chat room at chat.msnbc.com. I, of course, mentioned my own favorite crusade of the moment: the NY Times! I hope some of you can join in through email or chat (and can watch the program). I'm going to go set the VCR up right now. Penny From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 16:59:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Stationery Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3508 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Harry Potter Stationery Reply To: [Yahoo! #3496] Harry Potter Stationery Date: 7/7/00 12:59 pm (ET) <<For the occasion of the release of book IV, I made a stationery for Outlook Express featuring Harry and Hogwarts. It's entitled "Owl Mail" and is in my Yahoo Briefcase under stationery. http://briefcase.yahoo.com/patlwebb >> how did you do that and how do you use it in mail?? From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 17:01:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3509 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Reply To: [Yahoo! #3507] MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Date: 7/7/00 1:01 pm (ET) I just checkout the Homepage page and they have a link to us! I also sent an e-owl to say "thanks for acknowledging the adult fans." Trina From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 17:02:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3510 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Reply To: [Yahoo! #3507] MSNBC Harry Potter Coverage Today Date: 7/7/00 1:02 pm (ET) I just checked out the Homepage page and they have a link to us! I also sent an e-owl to say "thanks for acknowledging the adult fans." Trina From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 17:41:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3511 From: yrbecca_call Subject: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 1:41 pm (ET) Jeeze what kind of crazy am I? I am so excited, I must be checking this board every 5 minuites. So because of time zones, will the UK folks have the books earlier? So at EST 7 tonight the UK folks will be getting there hot little hands on the book? I am very interested in hearing ALL about Kings Cross Station!!!! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:02:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3512 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3492] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 2:02 pm (ET) "Thank you, Carol Vorderman! Bang goes another of my ill-conceived theories..." I do not want to be associated with a woman who only got a third from that other place, Cambridge. To me, as an Oxford person, this is an insult! Spoiler waring for the ending of book three. S P O I L E R S P A C E "When are we told the number of Sirius' vault? As I recall, it's never specifically mentioned by name, is it?" The following is from the letter Sirius sends Harry at the end of the book: "Crookshanks took the order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to take the gold from Gringotts vault seven hundred and eleven - my own. Please consider it as thirteen birthdays' worth of presents from you godfather." Apologies for quoting extra but it is such a good ending to a book! Simon From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:11:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3513 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3511] I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 2:11 pm (ET) If you're crazy, I'm insane. ;) I'm checking the board every 5 minutes, too - and I'm doing searches for newspaper articles, and swearing at people who badmouth the books... etc. Not only that, but my husband and I were expecting dinner guests tomorrow evening, and he kept having to remind me "now, you have to keep away from the Harry Potter book while we have people over." Then, when they cancelled yesterday afternoon, I actually screamed (in the house) "Yes!!!", making my husband look at me funny. He even volunteered to clean the house for me and watch the baby so that I could hole myself up in our room and read all day tomorrow. I'm just so excited I can't stand it! Jen Ps. I don't know HOW I'm going to be able to wait until 10am tomorrow morning... my local bookstore doesn't seem to realize that I'd be haunting the doors at 12am if i could. ;) Pps. My little sister called yesterday, and the first thing she said to me after I answered the phone was, "Is my book there yet?" (I'm giving her my extra copy). Needless to say, she's not as big of a fan as I am, or she'd know it's not coming until tomorrow. ;) pps#2. Okay, I was just getting carried away. Sorry. Me From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:14:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3514 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3513] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 2:14 pm (ET) I know just how you feel I am running a weekend long theatrical event this weekend, 2 hours from my home,and am plotting how I can get some one to pick it up from my house after Fed ex delivers it and bring it to me, read it, and still do my job!!! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:20:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3515 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3513] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 2:20 pm (ET) "If you're crazy, I'm insane. ;) I'm checking the board every 5 minutes, too" If you're insane, I'm stark staring bonkers. I'm checking it every 5 mins too! I rang my bookshop earlier, to check what time they will open tomorrow, and they will be opening at 8am, "because of the Harry Potter book"! I can easily pick up GoF and get up to King's Cross by 10.30am. Sorted!!! BTW, Simon, I'm sorry for the insulting comparison. I'm sure Carol doesn't know a thing about Harry Potter... :) Neil From naraht at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:26:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:26:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3516 From: naraht Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3505] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/7/00 2:26 pm (ET) "Sprout is Head of Hufflepuff. The jury is still out on Head of Ravenclaw..." Where is the fact that sprout is head of hufflepuff stated? Randy From naraht at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:27:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3517 From: naraht Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3505] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/7/00 2:27 pm (ET) Where is this stated? Thanx Randy From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 18:54:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:54:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3518 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3511] I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 2:54 pm (ET) I, too, fall into the stark, raving mad category. MSNBC has dedicated the last half hour to Harry and I have barely left my tv set. I even e-mailed them to thank them for acknowledging the adult fan. They even read it on the air, thereby giving me my 10 seconds of fame!! They also have a link to this here club, so we may have a member spike. 7 hours to go (on the east coast at least)!!! Trina From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:04:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:04:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3519 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3515] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 3:04 pm (ET) "If you're insane, I'm stark staring bonkers. I'm checking it every 5 mins too!" I am checking fairly often. I am also waiting for my finals results to arrive by e-mail. Consequently I keep logging on 'just to check'. "I can easily pick up GoF and get up to King's Cross by 10.30am." I am still awaiting news on when I will be sent my copy. They have packed it but not yet dispatched it! I cant makw it up to London tomorrow - too many other things going on :( Simon From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:10:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Talkback Live Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3520 From: triner2001 Subject: CNN Talkback Live Date: 7/7/00 3:10 pm (ET) They are talking to some girl who bought the book at WalMart and she's giving clues out!! AAAARRRGGGHHH!!! Thank goodness they went to commercial! And she won't be back! Trina From dumbogal at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:21:00 2000 From: dumbogal at yahoo.com (dumbogal) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks MSNBC!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3521 From: dumbogal Subject: Thanks MSNBC!!! Date: 7/7/00 3:21 pm (ET) Hi Everyone, I am Joanne, and I found out about this club on MSNBC. Like many of their guests this afternoon, I too am going to Border's in Westbury to retrieve my long awaited for copy of Goblet of Fire. I probably will not get any sleep tonight, I will be up all night reading!!!!!!!!!!!!! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:22:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: More craziness... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3522 From: jenP_97 Subject: More craziness... Date: 7/7/00 3:22 pm (ET) Ahh. So, last night I watched another episode of the new "reality show" _Big Brother_ and I got to thinking...(don't look so surprised!) I always thought I could go on one of those (_Real World_ from MTV comes to mind) shows - and I thought "Hey.... I could be on this show." Then I thought some more - "You can't read magazines... can you bring books?" with Harry Potter #4 in mind. Then I realized my big mistake. I'd be locked in on the 8th, and I wouldn't be able to read it until late September! No WAY would I want to be locked up in there without my Harry Potter. Not even for $500,000. Pretty Pathetic with a capital P, huh? Jen From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:28:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: Found about this from Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3523 From: heiditandy Subject: Found about this from Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 3:28 pm (ET) Of course, they didn't say where on the web this was, so it took some digging through YAHOO to find it, and I am glad I did. I will be going to Miami Beach's BOOKS & BOOKS at around 11:30 tonight - they also are offering to deliver the book between 1am and 7am anywhere on Miami Beach, but my husband & I want to be part of the excitement of getting it as soon as possible. We'll be accompanied by our 11 month old son Harrison, who, obviously, is named after the book. When I went into labor on July 31 last year, naming him something that we could shorten to Harry was a given! I'm looking forward to coming back tomorrow to see what y'all have to say about the book! From dumbogal at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:31:00 2000 From: dumbogal at yahoo.com (dumbogal) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Found about this from Washington Pos Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3524 From: dumbogal Subject: Re: Found about this from Washington Pos Reply To: [Yahoo! #3523] Found about this from Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 3:31 pm (ET) Hi, I just joined this club this afternoon, Guess what??? I have a 8 month old son named Harrison (insert twilight zone theme here) What a coincidence!!! Have fun tonight, I know I will. Joanne From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:31:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3525 From: heiditandy Subject: email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Reply To: [Yahoo! #3520] CNN Talkback Live Date: 7/7/00 3:31 pm (ET) I just got emails from both amazon and amazon/uk saying that the book has been sent. Didn't they have to wait until midnight? I guess it's about midnight in the UK, but it's only after noon on the west coast where Amazon is. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:33:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:33:00 -0400 Subject: email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3526 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Reply To: [Yahoo! #3525] email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Date: 7/7/00 3:33 pm (ET) They got special permission to ship the book on the 7th so that it would get here on the 8th. Maybe I should check my email to see if they've sent mine yet. Jen From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 19:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Talkback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3527 From: plinsenmayer Subject: CNN Talkback Date: 7/7/00 3:47 pm (ET) Hi: Is anyone else watching this?! This pastor is really annoying! It's so obvious he hasn't read the books. He was completely unable to respond to the host when she read a passage from PoA and asked him to tell the audience what was offensive about it. He sounds like a broken record "These books are full of Wicca . . . promote Wicca . . .blah, blah, blah." I have no email from amazon. Did I screw up by adding the audio version to my order a few wks ago? No matter since I'm going to a midnight madness tonight but still . . . Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: Chicago Tribune Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3528 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chicago Tribune Article Date: 7/7/00 4:01 pm (ET) Hi: Just found a great article in the Yahoo HP News page -- Chicago Tribune. Its focus is actually on the adult HP fans out there! 9 hrs to go here in CST -- Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: Oops -- Link to Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3529 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Oops -- Link to Article Date: 7/7/00 4:02 pm (ET) Here's the Chicago Tribune article re: adult fans http://chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0007070283,FF.htm l Penny From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:06:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:06:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Talkback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3530 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: CNN Talkback Reply To: [Yahoo! #3527] CNN Talkback Date: 7/7/00 4:06 pm (ET) I watched and he bugged the heck out of me! He kept repeating himself and didn't even listen to any rebuttals because he was too busy interrupting the speaker. What I enjoyed was the Catholic priest who called in and *defended* Harry Potter. Of course, Pastor In-Your-Face managed to diss him too. And then he insulted the Mormons by stating that the Book of Mormon was a work of fiction. Open mouth, insert foot. Harry Potter is a work of fiction and I believe that most kids are able to separate fact from fiction. Unfortunately most adults cannot. On the CNN Harry message board I found the following quote: "It is the religious minority who always seem the speak the loudest, not the rational minority." Well said. Trina From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:07:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3531 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3515] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 4:07 pm (ET) LOL I just told my boyfriend that I need him to whisk me over to the bookstore at midnight tonight so that I can get the book. Then I told him... ahem, uhmmm... that he should be prepared to go to bed alone because I will be up all night reading. You know how it is.... He must be madly in love to put up with this! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:09:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: prime numbers/Griphook theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3532 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #3484] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/7/00 4:09 pm (ET) I like the prime number theory -- I like the implication that there is something magical about primes. I have always thought that the implication of the complicated monetary units was that wizards and witches can do arithmetic magically -- so that they do not have to bother with memorizing multiplication tables and all that tedious crap us muggles are stuck with! From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:15:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:15:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Talkback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3533 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: CNN Talkback Reply To: [Yahoo! #3527] CNN Talkback Date: 7/7/00 4:15 pm (ET) <<<Is anyone else watching this?! This pastor is really annoying!>>> I have to agree. I kept screaming at the TV and changing the channel. Before it was over he managed to upset the Morman community too. What an idiot! Diann From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: No, it's not pumpkin time yet... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3534 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: No, it's not pumpkin time yet... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3525] email from Amazon & amazon.co.uk Date: 7/7/00 4:16 pm (ET) "I guess it's about midnight in the UK, but it's only after noon on the west coast where Amazon is." I think it was about 8pm here when you posted that message, and it's now 9.15pm. I have to wait til 8am before I can collect my copy though, so THEN it will be midnight where you are. After picking up the book, I'll be going to King's Cross for a gandet at the JKR media circus, cardboard platform and hastily repainted steam train, so I reckon it'll be about 1pm, Saturday before I can start reading GoF. I feel like I'm about to take an exam... Neil From tracilbell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:17:00 2000 From: tracilbell at yahoo.com (tracilbell) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: CNN Talkback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3535 From: tracilbell Subject: Re: CNN Talkback Reply To: [Yahoo! #3530] Re: CNN Talkback Date: 7/7/00 4:17 pm (ET) Only in the US does this kind of stuff happen. Makes me glad to be Canadian. We love the books and they aren't banned anywhere here. I have mine reserved and am looking forward to midnight!! From tracilbell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:18:00 2000 From: tracilbell at yahoo.com (tracilbell) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:18:00 -0400 Subject: No, it's not pumpkin time yet... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3536 From: tracilbell Subject: Re: No, it's not pumpkin time yet... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3534] No, it's not pumpkin time yet... Date: 7/7/00 4:18 pm (ET) Neil I am so envious! Enjoy!! Traci From tracilbell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:19:00 2000 From: tracilbell at yahoo.com (tracilbell) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3537 From: tracilbell Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3531] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 4:19 pm (ET) My fiance wanted to get two copies so there was no fighting over one, but since we are short of cash it should be an interesting weekend! I think we will likely take turns while the other is sleeping (he's a night owl, I'm not) From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:23:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: Photo request Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3538 From: smitster1 Subject: Photo request Date: 7/7/00 4:23 pm (ET) Does anyone know a link to the Peanuts cartoon that had the Harry Potter theme? Thanks so much. 7.5 hours to go ET! From tracilbell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:23:00 2000 From: tracilbell at yahoo.com (tracilbell) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: Pretty cool... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3539 From: tracilbell Subject: Pretty cool... Date: 7/7/00 4:23 pm (ET) I was checking out some British sites today and found a recent interview with JK Rowling. It also shows a picture of a childhood friend Ian Potter (it appears she borrowed his last name for Harry). But put glasses on this picture of Ian and you have a pretty nice Harry :) http://www.the-times.co.uk/onlinespecials/features/harrypotter/ Traci From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:29:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3540 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3531] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 4:29 pm (ET) >>>I just told my boyfriend that I need him to whisk me over to the bookstore at midnight tonight so that I can get the book. >>>Then I told him... ahem, uhmmm... that he should be prepared to go to bed alone because I will be up all night reading. You know how it is.... I had the exact same conversation with my boyfriend the other day! We resolved it by deciding to buy TWO copies of GoF. I dont think that the dog will get walked, or the plants watered this weekend -- but Im betting that the pizza delivery places will get a lot of business! I hope you all have a great weekend, although I think that it is a given. See you all Monday or Tuesday! From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:39:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: I am so excited Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3541 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: I am so excited Reply To: [Yahoo! #3540] Re: I am so excited Date: 7/7/00 4:39 pm (ET) I had the same conversation re: driving to a bookstore at midnight with my husband a few miutes ago.... his response was less enthusiastic...the general idea of it was - you have a drivers licence - take the car but have it back so I can go to work tomorrow...well he does have to get up at 4.30 for work tomorrow, so I guess he's not THAT heartless...But he's definately lost some brownie points in the last half hour..... I on the other hand can't wait - I was just talking to my Mum in the UK and we were laughing about the reaction of the Harry Potter books over here in the states..."You really know its popular when they start banning it and telling you it's bad for your children." My mum has given me special permission to read it though, so thats OK - do you think we'll need special notes from parent/guardian to buy the book????? Sorry -just kidding.... Only a few more hours... and I'm hoping I can get a copy as I didn't have enought money to reserve a copy.... Anna From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 20:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3542 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3516] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/7/00 4:56 pm (ET) <<"Sprout is Head of Hufflepuff. The jury is still out on Head of Ravenclaw..." Where is the fact that sprout is head of hufflepuff stated?>> I dunno! I guess I saw it on one of the web sites and assumed I'd missed the reference in one of the books. She'd be a good Head of Hufflepuff though :) Neil, who really should memorise every word of the Harry Potter books From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 21:40:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3543 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3485] Re: UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 5:40 pm (ET) Hi Neil and all >I should just have time to pick up GoF from WH Smiths in Lewisham before catching the train to King's Cross. Lewisham... I didn't know you lived near there... I used to live in Blackheath - up the hill from Lewisham. >Unless, WH Smiths decide to wait until later in the day before unveiling the books... in which case, they will be off my Christmas card list. WH Smith in Reading are releasing at 10.30am, so I have reserved a copy which I can collect as I am passing through on my way to Didcot. Talking of which - new photo uploaded of the entrance to Didcot Railway Centre, where Jo will be signing books tomorrow afternoon. >Nick, did you say something about needing permission to take photos? The official line is: "Please note that any photographers or cameramen attending events at stations need to contact the Railtrack Safety Brieding desk on Platform 1 on arrival." If this includes us, I'm not sure. I don't it does really. >Is it worth me bringing a camera at all if I don't have permission? Bring it... there's not going to be a problem, they just want to make sure the press behave themselves. I'm taking mine along... the more the merrier. Anyone bring a video camera with them? Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 21:48:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: Book Signings - UK Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3544 From: babynick34 Subject: Book Signings - UK Date: 7/7/00 5:48 pm (ET) Hi all I've decided that as I have the day off from work, I am going to try and attend one of the book signings. It is being held at Didcot... and even if I can't get a Golden Ticket, I can at least get entrance to the Railway Centre by paying the usual 4 GBP entrance fee. If anyone is interested... (which I expect you are not) here is a quick run down on my travel plans for Saturday. I hope to meet some of you either on route, at kings cross, or even at Didcot if you can make it. Depart Reading - probably on the 9:19. Arrive Paddington around 10am, then a quick Tube ride to Kings Cross. Kings Cross back to Paddington, to catch the 12:00 train to Reading. At Reading - collect book 4 from WH Smith Eat Lunch... and catch The 13:10 to Didcot. Didcot... gain entrance to Railway Centre and wait for Jo to arrive. Once Jo has departed, return to Reading... probably on the 15:56 or 16:13. Arrive home around 6ish... quickly upload photos, before going to work for 7pm. (I might not get time to upload the pics, so you might have to wait until I finish work, at around 11pm). I am planning on wearing my Navy Hogwarts T-Shirt. Will meet at Kings Cross by entrance to Platforms 9-11 (see photo section) at 10.30. >From the main kings cross entrance, head left and walk up the platform, there is an alley way through to Platforms 9-11. It will be fun day! Nick. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 21:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3545 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3543] Re: UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 5:54 pm (ET) <<Lewisham... I didn't know you lived near there... I used to live in Blackheath - up the hill from Lewisham.>> Uphill and upmarket... So, I'll be there at 10.30am, outside 9&10. Just to be on the safe side, I've put a more recent picture of myself in my profile (taken today in fact!) I liked the one I had but it was a bit out of date... I guess I won't have to carry a copy of Goblet of Fire then (although I will be hefting it about, and will wave it gladly in the air if no one looks familiar). See you then, Nick, and ... whoever! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 22:02:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross - roving reportage Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3546 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: King's Cross - roving reportage Reply To: [Yahoo! #3544] Book Signings - UK Date: 7/7/00 6:02 pm (ET) <<Eat Lunch... and catch The 13:10 to Didcot.>> What will you have for lunch? I'll be back in Lewisham by 1pm BST (that's 8am in this club's time zone), but as I don't have a digicam, my pictures of the top of JKR's head will have to wait. However, I will bash out an 'on-the-spot' report of the stunt... sorry, event. Neil - 9 hours til I get my hands on it. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 22:18:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: UK - Saturday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3547 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: UK - Saturday Reply To: [Yahoo! #3545] Re: UK - Saturday Date: 7/7/00 6:18 pm (ET) Just uploaded a larger image of mine... not up to date, about a year old. See my profile for info. See you at Kings Cross, Neil & anyone else. Nick. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 22:22:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:22:00 -0400 Subject: AARRGH!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3548 From: nlpnt Subject: AARRGH!! Date: 7/7/00 6:22 pm (ET) I reserved my copy...at a mall bookstore that won't be open until 9:30 tomorrow morning! Aargh! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 22:29:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross - roving reportage Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3549 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: King's Cross - roving reportage Reply To: [Yahoo! #3546] Re: King's Cross - roving reportage Date: 7/7/00 6:29 pm (ET) <<What will you have for lunch?>> To be honest, today when I did the DRY RUN by car - I've opted now to do it all by train, as it is easier - I didn't have Breakfast or Lunch. Tomorrow... I plan to have Breakfast, around 7am (in about 7 and a half hours) and Lunch may or may not happen. If it does happen, will probably be Burger King as there is one near the station. Nick. From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 22:56:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: Going Crazy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3550 From: lilly_potter Subject: Going Crazy Date: 7/7/00 6:56 pm (ET) WOW I CANT BELIVE THIS IM SO SILLY. I dont know aboult you but im pacing up and down with my keys in my hands waiting for hubby to get home from fishing so i can get the book. I have 5 hours to go. How am I going to get home from the bookstore without reading the book and crashing the car. AHHHHHHHHHH Just ranting so sorry i feal much better:-D From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 23:09:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:09:00 -0400 Subject: ARGH!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3551 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: ARGH!!!!! Date: 7/7/00 7:09 pm (ET) It's funny I have never seen so many adults this silly over a book before. I served for Jury Duty today and almost a third of the prospective jurors were brushing up on thier HP trivia and finishing the last few chapters before they purchase the next installment of joy in print. It gave us all something to discuss while waiting for the judges to make thier decisions and for the lawyers to ask us odd questions. Books could make an opening for conversations and friendships, who knew. 6 hours to go...5 hours, 58 minutes and 33 seconds ha ha ha I wish you all a HAPPY HARRY POTTER DAY! Jess ; p From sakerio at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 23:14:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:14:00 -0400 Subject: Glad to be in such fine company Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3552 From: sakerio Subject: Glad to be in such fine company Date: 7/7/00 7:14 pm (ET) My local Waldenbooks is having a big thing when they open(9:00am), but the wal-mart is putting out copies at midnight. I had already reserved a copy @ the book store but now I HAVE to go to wal-mart! Guess I'll have to make a gift out of one. Rio, who is almost done re-reading PoA(man I NEED my Potter fix) From patlwebb at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 23:32:00 2000 From: patlwebb at yahoo.com (patlwebb) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Stationery Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3553 From: patlwebb Subject: Re: Harry Potter Stationery Reply To: [Yahoo! #3508] Re: Harry Potter Stationery Date: 7/7/00 7:32 pm (ET) If you use Outlook Express, all you need to do is right-click on the image and (rename it)save it to: C:...Program files....Common files....Microsoft shared....stationery. Then open your Outlook Express and go to Tools...options....compose. Then under "stationery" click on "create new", hit "next", click on "browse" and go find the file that you saved. Open the list next to "tile" and click on "entire page". Then next and choose the font and size you want. Next again. Hit the up arrow next to "Left Margin" until it gets past the image and hit the "top margin" arrow once. Next, name it and "finish". Under "stationery" put a check next to mail, hit "select" and find the stationery that you just named. Highlight it, OK, OK. Then it should be there when you click on New Mail. I made it using Paint Shop Pro. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 00:02:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:02:00 -0400 Subject: Best Seller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3554 From: smitster1 Subject: Best Seller List Date: 7/7/00 8:02 pm (ET) I'm pretty mixed about the NY Times Best Seller list splitting into an adult's list and a children's list. Don't they already have specialized lists (business books for example)? I, for one, hope that by creating a children's list that these books will become less ignored. One bad thing (that I can think of) is no more discounts at bookstores. My two cents. Smitster1 From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 00:16:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Subject: more covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3555 From: joywitch999 Subject: more covers Date: 7/7/00 8:16 pm (ET) Todays Washington Post (7/7), aside from the article about adult Harry Potter fans, has several HP articles in the kidspost section. One has photos of many foreign covers, including some I have never seen before. The Portuguese cover is very nice. The Italian CoS cover is weird -- it shows Harry flying on a giant book! From dreyba at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 02:33:00 2000 From: dreyba at yahoo.com (dreyba) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Reading to All Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3556 From: dreyba Subject: Happy Reading to All Date: 7/7/00 10:33 pm (ET) I've had to re-up with a new Yahoo ID because Yahoo just decided I needed my mommy and daddy's approval to be a member of Yahoo!??! (needless to say, I'm way over the age of consent and Mom and Pops passed on their great reward several years ago). Anyway, I did an end run around Yahoo! (I hope) and have been reborn as "Dreyba". Whatever my alias, I wish everyone a great weekend of good reading--I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to HP4. Barbara (formerly b_drey) From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 03:07:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Reading to All Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3557 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Happy Reading to All Reply To: [Yahoo! #3556] Happy Reading to All Date: 7/7/00 11:07 pm (ET) Thanks "Dreyba" - I'm off to get my copy right now - being forced to eat my words - at a Wal Mart (after all the bad mouthing I did this week) They are the only place around here opening at midnight who are sure they will have books for those of us who haven't pre ordered, so well, I temporarily take back some of the nasty things I said...they are giving me Harry Potter after all... Happy reading, all! Anna From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 03:50:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3558 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3502] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/7/00 11:50 pm (ET) > Hi! I'm one of the people mentioned in the article (snip) Randy Finder Hi. You've probably been quietly reading the messages much longer than I've been noisily reading them (btw, do you have any theories as to why some people lurk and some post?). Did it ever occur to you that your name would work well in the HP universe? With the established tradition of people having fates or interests that correlate with their names, you could be a detective or finder of lost objects. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 04:23:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3559 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3506] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/8/00 12:23 am (ET) > USA Today also has an article that admits that adults read Harry Potter. http://www.usatoday.com/news/acovfri.htm Thanks for the link (thanks to EVERYONE for ALL the links, I just don't have comments on most of them). I see that this article included some of the idiot naysayers. The guy who objects to children being exposed to any magic, as if fairy tales were about something else. And the idiot who wants all children's book characters to be artificial little martyred saints. The point at which I knew that I LIKED this book (SS) was on page 53 (US paperback) when Harry tells Dudley: "No, thanks, I think the poor old toilet has never had anything as nasty as your head put in it." Hallelujah!!! A children's book protagonist who has some spirit and some natural human feeling instead of being some repulsive image of what parents think is perfection! >>"It's not the religious issues but the ethical ones that concern parent Ken McCormick of Birchrunville, Pa. He has found "a general nastiness underneath the mantle of cuteness" in the Potter books. He is disturbed, for example, that Hogwarts gamekeeper Hagrid tries to transform Harry's cousin Dudley into a pig but is clearly depicted as a good guy. "The kids lie, they steal, they take revenge," McCormick says. "This is a disturbing moral world, and it conflicts with what I am trying to teach my children." He has two, ages 8 and 11. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 04:31:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: Some REALLY Last Minute Predictions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3560 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Some REALLY Last Minute Predictions... Date: 7/8/00 12:31 am (ET) I think the beloved character who Rowling said will be killed is Neville... I think Sirius Black will be cleared. I think it will turn out, that one of the Dursleys is not actually, a true "muggle". I think that is all I can of right now.... P.S. Happy Shopping!! I hope everyone got their book. :-) I'm going to my local bookstore tommorrow morning. (that's one of the comforts of living in a small town) ;-) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 04:36:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: Okay, it's started! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3561 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Okay, it's started! Date: 7/8/00 12:36 am (ET) It's now around 5.40am here in London, and I'm wide awake, like a seven year-old on Christmas Eve, mind racing like a souped-up Hogwarts Express, nerves tight enough to snap in half... It's gone midnight in some US states, so some lucky people now have their copies of GoF! I just checked my harrypotteranonymous e-mails and Lori (author of PoU, I believe) posted a message, just after the strike of 12, saying she'd got it. First across the line... Okay, it's time to start lining my nest, ready for the reading event. Better catch some shuteye too, or my eyeballs will look like peeled tomatoes by 8am. A toast: - All raise your glasses - "to the boy who lived!" Neil From sage016 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 04:40:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: whew... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3562 From: sage016 Subject: whew... Date: 7/8/00 12:40 am (ET) I got to my bookstore (B&N) at 9:30 pm, they gave out tickets at 11 pm, and sold the book at 12 pm. It is now 12:30 and i just got home! im pretty excited, but probably wont start reading until tomorrow or Sunday. by the way, i just joined this club :) From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 05:08:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:08:00 -0400 Subject: whew... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3563 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: whew... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3562] whew... Date: 7/8/00 1:08 am (ET) OK Take back the nice things I said about Wal Mart - the local branch that had promised me "Plenty of books - even if you come in tomorrow morning" had just eleven copies to ditribute, and over 30 people to distribute to...but thanks to an early arrival, and the inheritance of my Mum's shopping elbow (sharp but inconspicuous) - I "won" a copy...thank goodness I couldn't wait... Oh well - see you all soon! Anna From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 05:37:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:37:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3564 From: triner2001 Subject: I have my book! Date: 7/8/00 1:37 am (ET) Went to Books-a-million at around 11:20pm. Was in line by 11:40. Had some nice conversation with children of all ages. Bought my copies (one for me, one for young cousin) at 12:20am. Home and reading by 1:00am. Currently on pg 57 and am just as enchanted as ever. Cheers! Trina From sakerio at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 05:53:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:53:00 -0400 Subject: Yay got my copy!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3565 From: sakerio Subject: Yay got my copy!!!! Date: 7/8/00 1:53 am (ET) Went to the local Wal-Mart and everyone please note that although there were only about 15-20 buying copy's, they were all adults. Of the ones I spoke with they were all reading themselves. Pretty neat huh? Well I'm off to read folks........have fun! Especially you guys in London(lucky) I'll be watching CNN to try to see it myself, but really wish I could be there with you. Happy Harry Day! Rio From debra82 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 07:12:00 2000 From: debra82 at yahoo.com (debra82) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 03:12:00 -0400 Subject: lucky people Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3566 From: debra82 Subject: lucky people Date: 7/8/00 3:12 am (ET) I am a new member of this club and would like to say all of you that have already gotten your books are lucky, i decided to come online to waste time before going out and getting my book(im in alaska so i have another hour to go) came across this web site and decided to join. Happy reading. Debra From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 07:52:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 03:52:00 -0400 Subject: Its HUGE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3567 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Its HUGE Date: 7/8/00 3:52 am (ET) The kind Mr postman delivered my copy to the door this morning. I know people have been saying its big, But Im wondering if i'll be ablle to lift it to read it! I think i'll wait till i have pleanty of time From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 13:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: A couple more HP links Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3568 From: GypsyCaine Subject: A couple more HP links Date: 7/8/00 9:32 am (ET) in the yahoo auctions:http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/32103618 for a Harry Potter Hogwarts School Lite Switchplate http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/32123269 Harry Potter QUIDDITCH patch And I think these are a kewl idea! http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/32096490 HP Address Labels (Dutch Auction) It's neat that all these interesting items are coming out of the woodwork~!!! :) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 13:34:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:34:00 -0400 Subject: A couple more HP links Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3569 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: A couple more HP links Reply To: [Yahoo! #3568] A couple more HP links Date: 7/8/00 9:34 am (ET) http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/32113470 Harry Potter Hogwarts School Wall Clock From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 13:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:36:00 -0400 Subject: HP links none in this paragraph! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3570 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: HP links none in this paragraph! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3569] Re: A couple more HP links Date: 7/8/00 9:36 am (ET) Just couldn't resist. I know that a few members are realllllllly big fans, and these seem the type of thing that you can use to either decorate an older child's room, or a study where you intend to curl up and real book 4! Grins. Dee From jen_lorin at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 13:48:00 2000 From: jen_lorin at yahoo.com (jen_lorin) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:48:00 -0400 Subject: Its HUGE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3571 From: jen_lorin Subject: Re: Its HUGE Reply To: [Yahoo! #3567] Its HUGE Date: 7/8/00 9:48 am (ET) I just got mine as well-- it's so exciting after all the hype to finally have it in hand! I'm currently in the UK, so I got the UK version-- I'll be curious to see how it differs from the US version when I return to the States... Enjoy your reading, everybody :) From rapidash781999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 14:46:00 2000 From: rapidash781999 at yahoo.com (rapidash781999) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:46:00 -0400 Subject: OMG! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3572 From: rapidash781999 Subject: OMG! Date: 7/8/00 10:46 am (ET) I just got the new Harry Potter Book! I have no idea how i am going to read 734 pages! Oh well, I will just have to find the time. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 14:55:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: I have been reading since 12:45am! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3573 From: triner2001 Subject: I have been reading since 12:45am! Date: 7/8/00 10:55 am (ET) No I haven't been to bed yet. I have had a few cups of java and a snack or two but no sleep yet. I cannot put it down. Gonna run out and get lunch and then back to the book. Currently in Chapter 31. Some earlier post wondered about the diff between US & UK _GoF_. I noticed some very British phrases, so I don't think there's a diff. Just my opinion. Happy reading! Trina From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:00:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:00:00 -0400 Subject: I haven't started it yet!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3574 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: I haven't started it yet!!! Date: 7/8/00 11:00 am (ET) I've just finished writing a report on the book launch at King's Cross Station. I'm going to post it in three parts, as it's quite long. BabyNick is going to post some pictures later (he had a digital camera), and my snaps will be ready by Monday... Once I've posted my report, I'm settling down to read "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire". You may have heard of it. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:03:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross Station - part one* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3575 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: King's Cross Station - part one* Date: 7/8/00 11:03 am (ET) * I stayed up all night in the end. There were some owls swooping around my chimney pot, and a few cats sitting on the wall outside, crying, "go to bed, you fool!" But, I couldn't sleep. I made it to the book shop by 9am to collect my "...Goblet of Fire". "Someone dies in it," said the assistant, conspiratorially, as he wrapped it. "I know who it is!" said his spotty friend. "Say it and you'll be the next dead person," I said, handing over my '8.99 with a huge smile. I arrived at King's Cross Station at 10.28pm, and found BabyNick standing between platforms 9 and 10 in a blue Hogwarts t-shirt. He'd already sussed out the best vantage point, so we scurried over the footbridge onto Platform 1, which had been made over, rather perfunctorily, as Platform nine and three-quarters. And there she was, in all her glory - full of pride and surrounded by her press and public - The Hogwarts Express. Actually, the steam engine was maroon, not bright red, and attached to a straggle of assorted carriages, headed up by one labelled "Queen of Scots". Steam huffed toward the arched, skylit roof of the station, and all around us children and adults of all ages clutched a familiar-looking book, the size of small lunchbox. Nearing 11 o'clock, there was a murmur in the crowd, and those press people who were behind us ran frantically towards the front of the platform, waving equipment above their heads. There was a hubbub as a tiny Ford Anglia - sky blue, not turquoise - screeched backwards, dangerously, along the platform. From it emerged JKR and her small entourage. She'd scrubbed up well, and with bouncy blonde hair, mauve cardigan and a bewildered expression, fashioned a slow walk alongside the train. On almost every shoulder sat a camera, a boom microphone or a small child. JKR grinned, bobbed and chatted amiably, but looked like she'd rather be anywhere else. [continues in next message] From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:06:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross Station - part 2** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3576 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: King's Cross Station - part 2** Date: 7/8/00 11:06 am (ET) ** I'd left BabyNick further back and settled myself in behind the press gang, so I had a really good view of JKR as she posed by the train. "Joanne, over here JoANNE!. Here...HERE!!! Oy, Joanne!" bellowed one boorish cameraman. "Give us a smile, Joanne. Think of all that money!!!" JKR rewarded him with a withering look, before cracking a smile for the crowd. She looked as if she were facing a boggart, as she stood meekly in the train doorway; in doorway with book; head out of train window; head and arm out of window; arm waving; smiling; not smiling; head spinning. The milling crowd featured very few children, but there were a few baby pointed witch hats dotted around, and cries of "Is that her, Mummy?", "It's JK Rowling!" and "There she is!!!" A journalist picked her way through the front line, thrusting a microphone into it at random. "Why do YOU like the Harry Potter books?", "Are you excited to be here then?", "How old are you?" "I'm 39." The platform show was over, and JKR moved inside the train to face more questions about single motherhood, scribbling in caf's, and being the most popular millionairess in human history. Nick and I moved onto the iron bridge above the platform to take more snapshots of the train, from above, and to marvel at the sea of bodies arranged along the platform. Then I made my way down to the front of the train to get some shots of the departure. [continues in next message] From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross Station - part 3*** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3577 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: King's Cross Station - part 3*** Date: 7/8/00 11:11 am (ET) *** "The Hogwarts Express" announced a grass-green metal plate attached to the round, black face of the train. Alongside it, on the platform, sat the comical Ford Anglia - my namesake. I took a few photographs of him for posterity. "The train now departing from Platform 9 and three quarters is the special Hogwarts Express!" boomed the station announcer, as puzzled backpackers on the main concourse scratched their muggle heads, and frowned. At last, I spotted the platform sign - no, not a lovely antique sign swinging on a post of filigreed brass, but a rather dull blue board, slapped on top of "Platform 1". "Platform nine and three-quarters," it said, followed up by details of the journey facing the Hogwarts Express: Didcot...Kidderminster...Manchester...York...Perth. "Luggage and broom service provided. Wizard snacks available in the buffet car." Bloomsbury's wit department must have been up all week working on that. It was gone 11.30am when the train finally gave a reedy toot and buffeted a head of steam into the air, before chugging gracefully out of the station. A hatchet-faced guard began folding up the "Hogwarts Express this way!" signs immediately, without even stopping to soak up the poetry of the moment. 'That's THAT fiasco over with,' she seemed to be thinking, as she dusted off her hands. I caught the tube back to London Bridge Station holding onto my bag with the precious book inside, as if it contained gold bullion. 'Gold bullion would be worth less than this,' I thought to myself. As we neared my stop, I noticed that one harassed mother had given in to the pleadings of her little boy, and opened "...Goblet of Fire" at page 1. The train rumbled and grumbled, and I realised, slowly, and with increasing horror, that her lips were moving. She - was - reading - it - out - loud! I escaped, but in the nick of time. I don't think I've ever had to invest so much effort in *not* reading a book! **** Neil From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:43:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: taking a brake Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3578 From: lilly_potter Subject: taking a brake Date: 7/8/00 11:43 am (ET) Hi all im just ataking a brake from book 4 i am on page 207 i think its so good grate mik of story tellng so far bye all. From JanisaA at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 15:52:00 2000 From: JanisaA at yahoo.com (JanisaA) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3579 From: JanisaA Subject: Book 4 (no spoilers) Date: 7/8/00 11:52 am (ET) So have people read it yet? What do you all think? I need to read it a few more times before I can rank it against the rest, but still, WOW. I was impressed. I was also impressed by the fact that no more than half of the rumours about the book that I'd read on the internet turned out to be true, although I wouldn't put it past JK to have changed some of it because of them. Judith From maxine450 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 16:42:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:42:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3580 From: maxine450 Subject: Book 4 Date: 7/8/00 12:42 pm (ET) I havent read it all but I peeked in the back of the book to see who dies but I was surprised that SPOILER WARNING!!!!!! DONT READ NO ...neither Hermione or Ron died! Cedric Diggory died, I dont know how he did yet...oh well I will post more when I finish the book. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 16:47:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:47:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3581 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3542] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/8/00 12:47 pm (ET) I've heard Flitwick mentioned as head of Hufflepuff and Sinastra (the astronomy professor) as head of Ravenclaw, but I don't think these are "Canonical"... I'm off to get the book! (I hope the lines aren't *too* long!) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 17:01:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: Pictures From Kings Cross Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3582 From: babynick34 Subject: Pictures From Kings Cross Date: 7/8/00 1:01 pm (ET) Hi all Pictures are being uploaded to the Album. I have created a new album titled: 8 July 2000 Kings Cross. I also have images from Didcot, which I hope to upload shortly. Nick. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 17:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: King's Cross Station - part 3*** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3583 From: Danemead Subject: Re: King's Cross Station - part 3*** Reply To: [Yahoo! #3577] King's Cross Station - part 3*** Date: 7/8/00 1:14 pm (ET) Thanks for the report, Neil. Can't wait to see your photos! Still waiting for FedEx, but it's only 10:15 am here..... From mystril at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 17:28:00 2000 From: mystril at yahoo.com (Mystril) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: Well, I just finished it! (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3584 From: Mystril Subject: Well, I just finished it! (no spoilers) Date: 7/8/00 1:28 pm (ET) And no one else I know has yet! Oh dear, oh dear...this book is wonderful....I was rethinking some of what happened...and wowie! I need to talk to someone about them...the book is making the rounds of family and friends now...so...if anyone wants to chat about it and I'm online, just drop me an IM...I'm in awe of this book...to me, it's like...no wait, that might be construed as a spoiler...nevermind...it's, it's wonderful and I can't wait to read it again and again... oh, and this isn't a spoiler...Rowling answers a bunch of questions that people have been asking in interviews. -mystril From dreyba at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 18:41:00 2000 From: dreyba at yahoo.com (dreyba) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: YEAH!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3585 From: dreyba Subject: YEAH!! Date: 7/8/00 2:41 pm (ET) I just found HP4 on my front porch YEAH. I'm signing off until I finish - Talk to you later. Barbara From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:11:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: A Magical Moment Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3586 From: prof_nellup Subject: A Magical Moment Date: 7/8/00 3:11 pm (ET) Two of my former fifth grade students happened to be visiting me here at home when "the book" arrived by post at 1:05 EST. We fell into silence as my husband took out his penknife and carefully sliced through the packing tape on the box. The sparkle in the eyes of the children was a priceless sight, as I slowly lifted the packing material to expose the cover. The two boys and I relished the suspense. (Even my "muggle" husband seemed to understand the significance of the event!) Then, I slowly and reverently lifted the book from its packing box. The boys and I ran our fingers gently across the cover. We passed it in a circle to feel the weight. What an impressive volume it is! We then studied the cover trying to decide who the pictured characters were. Finally, we checked the page numbers...yes...734! I shut the book and returned it to the box. What a memorable experience, especially having shared it with with two eleven year-olds. They think it's rather awesome that their "old" teacher is such a devoted Harry Potter fan. I think it's rather awesome that children around the world are chomping at the bit to read a book of 734 pages...relatively unheard of in this day and age! Later tonight, I will settle in and begin to read. Right now, I'm quite content to savor the "arrival" scenaro. It was truly a "magical" moment! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:12:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3587 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3505] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/8/00 3:12 pm (ET) Spoiler for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E Not really needed but... Sprout is confirmed as Head Of Hufflepuff Simon From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:13:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:13:00 -0400 Subject: book four(no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3588 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: book four(no spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3584] Well, I just finished it! (no spoilers) Date: 7/8/00 3:13 pm (ET) ok, i was there at 8:30 am, reading til 12. working til6 and i've just finished it. WOW WOW WOW. sorry, this post was kinda piontless. im gonna quickly read it again now.WOW! From msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:13:00 2000 From: msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com (msjanedoe31) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:13:00 -0400 Subject: What a day! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3589 From: msjanedoe31 Subject: What a day! Date: 7/8/00 3:13 pm (ET) We just returned from the local Barnes & Noble bookstore. My daughter was the Seeker in a game of Quidditch, we were sorted into our houses, received our lightning scar, and practically destroyed the children's section looking for five "Snitches" in hiding. All of the characters were walking around taking pictures with the kids and adults, of course. It was fun and sad to say we left without finding a "Snitch." I hope everyone is enjoying this day that we all have looked forward to for so long. Read on... Melissa Have a Magical Day! From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:14:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: book four(no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3590 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: book four(no spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3588] Re: book four(no spoilers) Date: 7/8/00 3:14 pm (ET) RE:last mail of mine and sorry bout the crappy spelling/typing etc, im just still on a high so i forgot to check it!!! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:41:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:41:00 -0400 Subject: spoiler? new book on Head of Hufflepuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3591 From: heiditandy Subject: spoiler? new book on Head of Hufflepuff Reply To: [Yahoo! #3581] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/8/00 3:41 pm (ET) In the new book, it very clearly says that Hufflepuff's head is Sprout. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 19:50:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:50:00 -0400 Subject: done and very very satisfied Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3592 From: heiditandy Subject: done and very very satisfied Reply To: [Yahoo! #3561] Okay, it's started! Date: 7/8/00 3:50 pm (ET) but it's like CHinese food. You finish it, and about 10 minutes later, you want some more : ) I went to our friendly local independant bookstore last night, about a mile from our house, at around 11:30pm - a bunch of kids were playing trivia games and hangman. I got the 2nd copy they gave out - they had about 5 clerks, and they all had a box and stood around the inside of the counter and we all lined the outside - everyone who had already paid - and at 12:00 they just started handing them out. I was home by 12:20, and read for about an hour, then my husband took it for about 90 minutes and being insane, he read the last 200 pages first. But he didn't tell me any of it. I read again this morning, in between taking care of Harry, my 11 month old, who chose today to refuse to nap at all, but with my husband offering to take care of him for 3 hours, I managed to finish the whole thing (I do read pretty fast). And I think it was all wonderful, surprising, satisfying and obviously magical. It's really like an education in life- all the things you've learned in your day to day existence help you when things are difficult. I think I need to read it again to appreciate everything -and then it's back to Book 1 for me! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 20:00:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:00:00 -0400 Subject: Now I know how long... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3593 From: triner2001 Subject: Now I know how long... Date: 7/8/00 4:00 pm (ET) it takes me to read 734 pages! About 14 hours give or take a few snack and potty breaks. Got the book, took it home and read all morning. Took a brief break to go get lunch, but finished it. Will nap now and browse through it again later. Trina From wisteria at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 20:09:00 2000 From: wisteria at yahoo.com (wisteria) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3594 From: wisteria Subject: New Member Date: 7/8/00 4:09 pm (ET) Hi everyone! I just joined this club and I wanted to intro myself. I am so excited about the new book, but I've yet to get my copy - I ordered it from Amazon, but I live out in the sticks of Oregon and can't get Fedex same-day service *wah*!! So I guess I'll be reading it on Monday!! *pout* Anyway... my name is Traci. I am a 21-year-old Pagan female living Central Oregon. I work full-time at a public library and I'm also a writer and freelance computer consultant. I was addicted to Harry Potter as soon as I read the first book (which was soon after it first came out). I also run a book club for middle-school kids and guess who their favorite character is? (Silly question! *Grin*) We're hoping to have a Harry Potter party sometime in the future :). Traci From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 20:16:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:16:00 -0400 Subject: Giddiness of the Highest Order Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3595 From: Danemead Subject: Giddiness of the Highest Order Date: 7/8/00 4:16 pm (ET) The doorbell rings. I leap up and caper to the front door. A very nice man smiles and hands me an large box. I rain blessings upon him and his descendants, close the door, clasp the box to my chest in a fierce embrace, and dance across the front room cackling with joy! Phew! Haven't had this feeling since Christmas morning 1959! Adios until I have savored this joy in to the maximum blissfullness. Aren't we silly? Nah! I feel like a little kid again!!! Thank you, JKR. From hgranger2 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 20:35:00 2000 From: hgranger2 at yahoo.com (hgranger2) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: Score one for the mega-stores Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3596 From: hgranger2 Subject: Score one for the mega-stores Date: 7/8/00 4:35 pm (ET) Happy July 8, everyone! I'm on the west coast of the U.S., and I had to wait until I got off the morning shift at work to settle in with my new book, but I wanted to share my glee with y'all before diving in. I think that most good bibliophiles have mixed emotions about the huge bookstores. It's nice to know that there's a place where you can find even the most obscure titles (as long as they're still in print) and bargains on bestsellers, but you would hate to see them drive the independents out of business. Nevertheless, I am thrilled with amazon.com at the moment. I was SURE that they'd find a way to screw up the Saturday delivery, what with me living out here in the boondocks (80 miles away from the nearest store to host a midnight release party -- and even at that I contemplated going), but sure enough, my copy was waiting for me when I got home. Magnificent marketing ploy on their part. Now I must get to my reading. My 21-year-old "little" brother has declared that he's taking the book to work with him on Monday morning whether I'm finished or not, and I'm going to have to take a break to go to work tomorrow. See you back here when we're all done reading. From patlwebb at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 20:51:00 2000 From: patlwebb at yahoo.com (patlwebb) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: Yipee! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3597 From: patlwebb Subject: Yipee! Date: 7/8/00 4:51 pm (ET) I'm in the San Francisco bay area and my book just came. The young man in a FedEx uniform said "Guess what this is". He said his truck is packed with boxes just like the one he handed me. I have to say, I was getting pretty anxious! It finally arrived at almost 2 PM. Happy reading everyone. I'm not a speed reader and I'm glad. I plan on savoring this book. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 21:28:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: Today July 8th, 2000 - Harry Potter Day Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3598 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Today July 8th, 2000 - Harry Potter Day Date: 7/8/00 5:28 pm (ET) Whew!! What a grabber of a first chapter.. Helped out at the local book store, for a small book store out in the boonies of Oregon, there was good crowd. One gentleman had an old broom making machine and was constructing hand made brooms.. they were selling well. Very nice models with mahogany handles, gold lettering, and I'm sure could probably turn on a dime and give back 5 pence! One boy and his sister came as Ron and Hermione, he was a brown haired young teen who had bleached his hair and had it dyed an almost flourescent red color.. he wore wizarding hat and robes. His sister carried a stack of books on wizardry and muggle history. Most employees wore robes as they swished around the store. A Quidditch match was played with bats, brooms(as hocky sticks) and an occasional Snitch was thrown into the game. The winner if someone caught the snitch before it hit the ground. The winning team received same small owls as gifts. We brought our Hedwig with us in his cage (modified to allow a hand to control his head in the cage.) There was some concern as the quantity of HP4 books was being depleted faster than was anticipated. I would say that of those comming into the store 50% or more were adults WITHOUT children. The quickly grabbed their copies of the book and scurried out of the shop. I wasn't quite sure if this was to get quickly to a warm comfortable spot to begin reading or to avoid being identified as one of those adult readers that the NY Times dosen't seem to recognize as readers of HP4. As the wife and I returned home from "the city" back to our small Burrow and alotment in the country she read aloud the first and second chapters. Can't wait to steal the book away from her when she finishes. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 21:34:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: Highest Membership Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3599 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Highest Membership Date: 7/8/00 5:34 pm (ET) I happened to check the membership of the clubs under the Rowling, J.K. this group "Harry Potter for Grown Ups" has the highest number of Members. I wonder how the NYTimes will decide what books are childrens books or adult? I guess if there are mostly children in the book then it fits the new catagory?? Ah, yes, a good place for "Lord of the Flies". Arrrrgggghhhh !!!! From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 21:37:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:37:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks Nick !! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3600 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Thanks Nick !! Date: 7/8/00 5:37 pm (ET) Nick, Let me be one of many who thank you for the photos from Kings Cross. We will be looking forward to those from Neil. Too bad you didn't use your wizarding camera so the people could wave to us in the pictures. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 23:50:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: Where is everyone ?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3601 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Where is everyone ?? Date: 7/8/00 7:50 pm (ET) For the past couple of weeks, this message area has been flooded with messages. Suddenly for the past several hours, it's been Very Quiet. What could have happened..?? Where is everyone ?? Sorry All, Diann got the book first.. I'm just waiting for her to finish. Now and then I get a little snicker, laugh, and occasional "Oh! No" as she reads. She does drop me a few little previews now and again, I knew we should have bought two copies.. My tapes won't be here till Tuesday.. Arrrrgggghhh !!! D&D From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 01:24:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks Nick !! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3602 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Thanks Nick !! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3600] Thanks Nick !! Date: 7/8/00 9:24 pm (ET) I add my thanks, as well, Nick! Good show, and all that.... and thank you to everyone who is sharing their "book-acquisition war stories" with us. And now, back to my book.... From harrypotter4life at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 02:09:00 2000 From: harrypotter4life at yahoo.com (harrypotter4life) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:09:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3603 From: harrypotter4life Subject: I may not be an adult... Date: 7/8/00 10:09 pm (ET) but I love Harry Potter to death and I wanted to join the best HP club on Yahoo! Hey everyone, my name is Harry! From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 02:36:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3604 From: echomyst Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3603] I may not be an adult... Date: 7/8/00 10:36 pm (ET) Nice to meet you...Harry =) ps I've started on your fourth biography (the Goblet of Fire), so I kind of know what happens in your fourth year at Hogswort's already...no need for professor Trelawney's divination class, huh? -Emily- From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 02:39:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: My Tragidy of Book 4 (No spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3605 From: brp13 Subject: My Tragidy of Book 4 (No spoilers) Date: 7/8/00 10:39 pm (ET) I had a day trip with my church today, which was okay since our copy of Harry Potter 4 isn't likely to be here for a while. Either of them (We actually have 2 ordered, just to make sure... 7 people in a household with 6 of them wanting to read it increases that need...) Anyways, most of my family, except for my youngest sister and mother, were gone. When we got back we found out that my mother has bought #4 from Wal-mart and started reading it outloud to my little sister. Which means I won't get the begining, and thus I have to shut my ears while my sister begs non-stop to get some more reading it... Sigh. The pains of family... From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 02:40:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:40:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3606 From: brp13 Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3603] I may not be an adult... Date: 7/8/00 10:40 pm (ET) Man... We're probably going to be flooded with kids now that we are #1... I guess I can't talk too much, I'm only 16. But still, there is something. From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 02:48:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: What a day! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3607 From: houston425 Subject: Re: What a day! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3589] What a day! Date: 7/8/00 10:48 pm (ET) <<<practically destroyed the children's section looking for five "Snitches" in hiding.>>> This makes me laugh. I was at a bookstore owned by Barnes and Noble and they had the same thing planned. But the communications director was looking distinctly disgruntled and I think she had images flashing before her eyes of people tearing the book store apart looking for the snitches so she just put them in some prizes she was giving away. From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:03:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Where is everyone ?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3608 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Where is everyone ?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3601] Where is everyone ?? Date: 7/8/00 11:03 pm (ET) Well, after the rush of about 5 hours at the morning, I think you would know why no one is here... REally now. You expect a club to function the day that a new book relating to the club is released... Sigh. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:11:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: Read it once Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3609 From: triner2001 Subject: Read it once Date: 7/8/00 11:11 pm (ET) All in one marathon go. Am starting it again to read at a more leisurely pace in order to see if I missed anything in my frenzied, sleep-deprived first attempt. Has anyone else noticed that with each book you think "how can it get any better?" and yet each successive book *is* better? Neil, thanks for the pics. Jo looked tired and a bit bemused by all the kefuffle in the one photo. I think she needs a nice long rest, but don't think she'll have that for a bit. Off to my re-read. Trina From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:31:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Read it once Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3610 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Read it once Reply To: [Yahoo! #3609] Read it once Date: 7/8/00 11:31 pm (ET) :( I realllllllly envy you all! I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on book one! At least I can catch up fast cause I have alot of what I call downtime--bustop time! Grins. Enjoy it you all! Dee From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:32:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:32:00 -0400 Subject: Sirius' Gringotts vault Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3611 From: pt4ever Subject: Sirius' Gringotts vault Reply To: [Yahoo! #3512] Re: prime numbers/Griphook theory Date: 7/8/00 11:32 pm (ET) >>> Spoiler warning for the ending of book three. S P O I L E R S P A C E The following is from the letter Sirius sends Harry at the end of the book: "Crookshanks took the order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to take the gold from Gringotts vault seven hundred and eleven - my own. Please consider it as thirteen birthdays' worth of presents from you godfather." >>> *puzzled look* That's odd...the American version is different. Here's what it says in my copy of PoA: "Crookshanks took the order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to talke the gold from my own Gringotts vault. Please consider it as thirteen birthdays' worth of presents from your godfather." Why would that be different, I wonder? Did the editors who "Americanized" the books think that we ignorant Americans didn't know what seven hundred and eleven was? *shrug* How odd... -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:36:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3612 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: I have my book! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3564] I have my book! Date: 7/8/00 11:36 pm (ET) I received my book via the postal service at about 2:30pm today, and finished it at 7pm. All I can say is: Wow. I can honestly say this is the first time a book has scared me. It's extremely good, but scary. **shiver** I hope y'all enjoy it! I don't know how I'm going to wait an entire year for book 5... -- JoAnna From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 03:48:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3613 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: I have my book! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3612] Re: I have my book! Date: 7/8/00 11:48 pm (ET) >>I received my book...at about 2:30pm and finished it at 7pm<< JoAnna, how fast do you read? I read non-stop (with a few mini-breaks and one lunch break) and it took me from 12:45 am to 1:30 pm. And I'm a pretty fast reader. I bow to the master of speed reading! Trina From Orrianne at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 06:51:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 02:51:00 -0400 Subject: Amazon.com Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3614 From: Orrianne Subject: Amazon.com Date: 7/9/00 2:51 am (ET) I just have to chime in and say Yippie for Amazon.com, and WOW, what a great book!!! I felt like a child peering out my blinds until I saw that Fedex truck out front. Thanks Fedex! Thanks Amazon! I love having a book delivered right into my hands, so I don't even have to change in and out of my jammies in order to curl back up and have my read!!! From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 10:46:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 06:46:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3615 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: I have my book! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3613] Re: I have my book! Date: 7/9/00 6:46 am (ET) I also have it. I live in the Philippines and apparently it came out about the same time it did in the U.S. I just bought it a few hours ago and I already the first and chapter and will start the next. FYI, to celebrate the launching of the book, the bookstore where I bought it staged a magic show, offered discounts, free stuff and face painting for the kids. From luvmykatz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 12:06:00 2000 From: luvmykatz at yahoo.com (luvmykatz) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:06:00 -0400 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3616 From: luvmykatz Subject: Hi! Date: 7/9/00 8:06 am (ET) I just joined yesterday, although I've been lurking and reading the messages for a while. My book was delivered about 9:45 yesterday morning. I put out a large box in my driveway. On the street side it said "Welcome Fedex". On the side facing the driveway it said "Harry Potter fans love you" (with a lightening bolt), and on the side facing the house it said "Thank you--have a nice day". The FedEx delivery man got a nice laugh out. I'm about halfway through the book. A few things interrupted me, like making dinner and sleep. I hope to finish it today. I took the ID of Rita_Skeeter2 because my real name is Rita. Glad to be on board! --Rita From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 12:14:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:14:00 -0400 Subject: Let's try again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3617 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Let's try again Date: 7/9/00 8:14 am (ET) Ok, let's try again. Apparently I joined under the wrong ID. Ok, even Hermoine makes a mistake once in a while... --Rita From msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 15:29:00 2000 From: msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com (msjanedoe31) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: UPS is living in a Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3618 From: msjanedoe31 Subject: UPS is living in a Muggle world Date: 7/9/00 11:29 am (ET) I sat home yesterday waiting for a delivery person in a big brown truck to deliver my HP Goblet of Fire book. They never showed up! I called Barnes & Noble to complain, and they said plenty of customers did not receive their book. I believe UPS will be in trouble first thing Monday morning. I contacted UPS to let them know how unsatisfied I am at not receiving the book, and that the Amazon.com customers are thrilled with their FedEx delivery. They claim that they have the account with Amazon.com customers. I happily replied not with this book. I praise Amazon.com for knowing which delivery company could AND would get the job done. Read on... Have a Magical Day! Melissa I had a dream last night of a UPS delivery employee sitting on a mountain, in the middle of nowhere, holding my "Goblet of Fire" book, laughing, and chanting, "You want this, don't you?" Oh, the sorrows of living in a Muggle world! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 15:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:35:00 -0400 Subject: in a Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3619 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: in a Muggle world Reply To: [Yahoo! #3618] UPS is living in a Muggle world Date: 7/9/00 11:35 am (ET) I finally realized where I had seen Harry before today! In the 80's was a series called "Dungeons and Dragons", and FOXKIDS are showing it again in my area. The wizard in there looks like Harry. I LLLLLOOOOVVVEEEDDDD that show! Grins. Dee From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:01:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: UPS is living in a Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3620 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: UPS is living in a Muggle world Reply To: [Yahoo! #3618] UPS is living in a Muggle world Date: 7/9/00 12:01 pm (ET) Not a fan of either UPS or FED-X, and having worked with both for a few years. I think you will find that Barnes and Noble is the bad guy. UPS as far as I can recal have never provided a Saturday Delivery Service. Fed-X has done this for quite some time, as I have made use of this special service more times than I would like to remember because of the $$$ for it. I would say that B&N executives made a poor choice of delivery service. More than likely UPS is their primary delivery service, and they get the lowest price from them. Did anyone else get Saturday Delivery from UPS ?? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:15:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: First Thoughts - (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3621 From: Danemead Subject: First Thoughts - (no spoilers) Date: 7/9/00 12:15 pm (ET) I don't know about the rest of you, but after the first read-through, I already have a list about a mile long of things I want to talk about. There is so much new information in "Goblet" that we'll still be discussing it a year from now when HP5 comes out. One thing for sure - this is not a children's book any longer. Perhaps kids today have stronger stomachs than I do, but the final scene with Voldemort was rather sickening. A final note... I think Lori, in 'Paradigm of Uncertainty', has captured the essence of how I envision the adulthood of the Harry Potter I'm left with at the end of Book 4. This boy is ALONE, even with all his allies. The war has been declared, and we know it's going to last for at least the next few years. From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:20:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3622 From: houston425 Subject: Re: I have my book! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3613] Re: I have my book! Date: 7/9/00 12:20 pm (ET) >>>>I read non-stop (with a few mini-breaks and one lunch break) and it took me from 12:45 am to 1:30 pm. And I'm a pretty fast reader. I bow to the master of speed reading!<<<<< I'm with you Trina. It took me about 11 hours to read. I got the book at midnight and I read for an hour (2 a.m. - 3 a.m.) before I went to sleep. Then I dragged myself up out of bed to watch the Wimbledon final... once that was done about 10 a.m. I read straight (except for an hour where I had to go to the grocery store because I had no food!!!) and I finished about 9 p.m. From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:26:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:26:00 -0400 Subject: UPS is living in a Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3623 From: houston425 Subject: Re: UPS is living in a Muggle world Reply To: [Yahoo! #3618] UPS is living in a Muggle world Date: 7/9/00 12:26 pm (ET) >>>>> I called Barnes & Noble to complain, and they said plenty of customers did not receive their book. I believe UPS will be in trouble first thing Monday morning.<<<<< I think it is going to be Barnes and Noble who is in trouble Monday morning. You are definitely not the only one complaining. There are several posts over at alt.fan.harry-potter from people who ordered from Barnes and Noble and have not received their books. They also complained that the Barnes and Noble customer service was less than helpful. I hope you get your book as soon as possible Melissa! Laurie From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:51:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: I have my book! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3624 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: I have my book! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3613] Re: I have my book! Date: 7/9/00 12:51 pm (ET) >>> JoAnna, how fast do you read? I read non-stop (with a few mini-breaks and one lunch break) and it took me from 12:45 am to 1:30 pm. And I'm a pretty fast reader. I bow to the master of speed reading! >>> *blush* Well, I've never actually timed myself, but I think I average about 170 pages an hour. I'm one of those fortunate people who was born with the ability to speed-read. I've never taken a class or anything, but I've been doing it ever since I was four years old...my older brother used to get angry with me because I'd steal his library books, since I wasn't in school yet and couldn't get any, so I learned to read them fast so I could get them back to his room before he missed them. :) How is everyone enjoying GoF so far? I was in Detroit Lakes, MN on Friday, July 7, and I saw *two* copies of GoF on sale! I couldn't believe it! I was tempted to find the manager and yell at him, but I didn't...I had to leave quickly before I gave into the urge to sit down in the middle of the aisle and start reading! I also went to the Harry Potter Party at the Fargo, ND Barnes & Noble on Friday night, (*waves at Jarnor23, who went also*) from 11pm to 1pm. It was fun!! I loved watching the staff...they'd hoped for 50 people and got 400! They were freaked out! They ran out of almost everything, including books! I'm so glad I ordered mine from bn.com back in February! -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 16:58:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: UPS is living in a Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3625 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: UPS is living in a Muggle world Reply To: [Yahoo! #3620] Re: UPS is living in a Muggle world Date: 7/9/00 12:58 pm (ET) >>> Did anyone else get Saturday Delivery from UPS ?? >>> I did, and it arrived just fine...but I also pre-ordered my copy back in February, if that makes a difference. -- JoAnna From msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 17:00:00 2000 From: msjanedoe31 at yahoo.com (msjanedoe31) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Subject: I need my Potter fix! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3626 From: msjanedoe31 Subject: I need my Potter fix! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3624] Re: I have my book! Date: 7/9/00 1:00 pm (ET) Well, I have not had any luck with Barnes & Noble this morning. They do not seem to be very helpful. I am taking my receipt over there for a full refund and will purchase the book elsewhere. Gosh, I sure do miss the small merchant bookstores. So much for corporate America! Read on... Melissa From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 17:24:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: My book's here, but it was rough! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3627 From: jenP_97 Subject: My book's here, but it was rough! Date: 7/9/00 1:24 pm (ET) Let's start on Friday, where my husband got in trouble the first time... Friday afternoon, we were driving and he was on the cell phone checking our messages. Conversation follows: Chris: "Judy's called." (bookstore) me: "Yah? Are they going to open early?" Chris: "They're giving them out now!" me: "What???????" Chris: "Oh. Just kidding. Wait, the message isn't over yet." me: silently fuming that he jerked me around like that. Chris: "Uh oh." me: "whatwhatwhat???" Chris: "They accidentally didn't get enough copies and since you weren't home, they have to give your copy to someone else." me: -stony silence- Chris: "Uh... I thought that was funny." me: "You ASS!" (more expletives deleted) So then, Saturday morning, I was up around 5am after a night full of Harry Potter dreams, and after skimming through PoA until 7:30 (couldn't concentrate), I left for Judy's, hoping to at least beat the line if they weren't going to open up earlier than 10am. I was not the first one there. There were two boys (about 11-12) standing in front of the store with their noses to the glass, and a 20-yr-old girl with green retro glasses waiting in her Honda on the street. So I parked nearby with the news radio station on (for updates). Lo and behold! Judy's opened at 8:39am!!!! I was the 4th person to get mine, and I got some (very American) house sticker/banners, the Quidditch World Cup iron-on badge, and a lightning bold tattoo! The woman behind the counter asked me "You don't want these, do you?" and looked shocked when I said "Oh! Yes please!!" Got home at 9am, read (with another fight with husband stuck in there somewhere) until 5:30, when I finished. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to talk about this with someone, and so I'm going to be here this afternoon for the chat. If anyone would like to start early, I'd love that, too. ps. Amazon didn't deliver my sister's copy, so I had to give her mine - so as of now, my wonderful copy (which I've only read once, darnit!) is an hour away, and I can't re-read it! Stupid Amazon. Jen From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 17:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:29:00 -0400 Subject: HP Party in Houston Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3628 From: plinsenmayer Subject: HP Party in Houston Date: 7/9/00 1:29 pm (ET) Hi: I posted this to harrypotteranonymous a bit ago --I'm still not clear on whether there's much overlap. I hope I'm not the *only* one who's actively involved with more than 1 adult HP cyber-group. <g> Danemead -- I printed out your post about meeting the FedEx guy and "raining blessings on him & his descendants" -- I thought that was priceless! I thought I'd post a little summary of my HP party from Fri night. I enjoyed reading everyone else's posts -- how much fun we all had! Laurie from this group -- hello! It was so great to meet you -- I guess we lost each other in the final moments of waiting. We had some of the first tickets and departed rather quickly as our muggles had grown weary. <g> See below -- I made it into today's Chronicle (Metro section) -- did you see it? I went with 2 other adults (our spouses/dates showed up later). My friend Amy & I were there before our other friend, who had a late-running mediation. The books were under his name, and he actually took time away from mediation to call the Bookstop and be sure that they would sell Amy & I our copies that were under his reservation if he couldn't get away. True dedication! Anyway . . .Amy and I arrived at 9:45 or so -- we had been told they would begin giving out color coded tickets starting at 10:00. So, we were expecting there to be a bit of a crowd, starting then. We were surprised that we were the very first HP fanatics. We both had HP t-shirts on, and Amy demanded that the clerk go back to the storeroom and get us lightning tattoos & plastic glasses right away. <g> We went shopping in some nearby shops for awhile and got lots of stares at our tattoos and our HP plastic glasses that they gave out also. We ran into Laurie from this group -- great to see another Yahoo person! Our other friend and his date and mine & Amy's muggle spouses had all arrived by 11:00. By this point, there were lots more people, although honestly not as many as I had expected. We went to the most centrally located bookstore in Houston, and I thought it would be *more* of a mobscene. It was, however, quite full by midnight. There was a big cake, with the first 3 covers on it -- we got a picture. There were snacks, games, a magic show, and a midnight countdown. Since we were literally the first completed transaction at the register and our muggle spouses had been as patient as they could be, we didn't hang around long. So, I don't know if there were people who left without a copy or not. I do know that they said they would only sell 1 copy per customer who didn't have a reservation. And, I know from the papers yesterday and today that virtually all the bookstores had sold out shortly after midnight and certainly by some point on Saturday. There was a reporter at my HP party, and I did end up getting quoted in our paper (my muggle spouse is thrilled). I *had* to voice my complaint about the split in the NY Times Bestseller list (I've now decided it's my personal crusade to get it reversed). I'm going to post some comments on the book in separate messages. All I'll say here is WOW!!! Penny From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 17:31:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:31:00 -0400 Subject: Random Thoughts (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3629 From: jenP_97 Subject: Random Thoughts (no spoilers) Date: 7/9/00 1:31 pm (ET) Well - I just couldn't type enough in that last letter, could I? ;) Great pictures, Nick. Great play-by-play, Neil. Poor Jo, she looks like she's been run ragged. I hope she can get some sleep later. Book: Wow. It was both not what I expected, and everything I expected. I think for now it's my favorite so far, but I've only read it once. American version: I think the editors got the hint! I can tell from past comparisons that this is probably very similar to the British versions - probably only minor spelling differences. There are a LOT of Britishisms in this one - and it only makes it better! Cover: well, I still agree with Penny that I don't like it as much as the others, but at least I know what everything on it is/means. ;) Adults and the book: I forgot to mention the best part of picking my book up at Judy's yesterday. The woman who got her book after mine was oh - I'd say at least 65... and she mentioned to Judy (behind the counter, of course) that she'd reviewed the first three for a local newspaper, but she'd had to buy this one for herself. ;) Anyway, now I've just got to wait for my copy to get back home after my sister finishes. I think it's time to re-read (slowly), don't you? ;) Jen (looking forward to chat time - I'll stay in there early) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 17:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: Best Seller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3630 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Best Seller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3554] Best Seller List Date: 7/9/00 1:52 pm (ET) Hi: <<I'm pretty mixed about the NY Times Best Seller list splitting into an adult's list and a children's list. Don't they already have specialized lists (business books for example)? I, for one, hope that by creating a children's list that these books will become less ignored.>>> They do have a number of specialized lists, but it's my understanding that HP books will no longer be on the main bestseller list at all. They will *only* be on the children's list. That's my complaint. I don't read business books, to use your example, so I would have no occasion to look at the business bestsellers list. Similarly, I don't have children yet, so no occasion to read a childrens' bestseller list. So . . . would I have ever found the HP books if they weren't on the NY Times list? Word of mouth would have been the only way. Would I be skeptical that a "children's" book was worth a read, no matter how strong the personal recommendation? Certainly possible. If they want to create a children's list but leave them on the main bestseller list since they are outselling all the other authors, that'd be fine with me. My beef is that they are removing them from the main list that everyone reads. A business book, to use your example again, may be on the special business bestseller list, but it's probably also on the general non-fiction bestseller list (although maybe at a lower spot on the more general list). Plus, after reading GoF, I can tell you that there's no way that one is a "children's book". My $.02 Penny From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:00:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: HP Party in Houston Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3631 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: HP Party in Houston Reply To: [Yahoo! #3628] HP Party in Houston Date: 7/9/00 2:00 pm (ET) <<There was a reporter at my HP party, and I did end up getting quoted in our paper (my muggle spouse is thrilled). I *had* to voice my complaint about the split in the NY Times Bestseller list (I've now decided it's my personal crusade to get it reversed). >> All right Penny!! As a Texan living in Oregon I had the Houston paper bookmarked (along with a few others). Found the article at: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/598101 I finished the book last night and started over this morning. WOW WOW WOW Diann From maxine450 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:03:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: what did everyone think of HPIV? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3632 From: maxine450 Subject: what did everyone think of HPIV? Date: 7/9/00 2:03 pm (ET) I thought it was the best, out of all the Harry Potter books. The end was totally unexpected, wow, jk rowling. After I thought about it, remember when Harry and Ron got a detention? How come they never mentioned in the book what his detention was? Oh well. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:21:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else NOT have the book IV yet?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3633 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Anyone else NOT have the book IV yet?? Date: 7/9/00 2:21 pm (ET) :-P Oh well, I can wait 'till Monday. ;-) From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:27:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: OH!! and PLEEEASE..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3634 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: OH!! and PLEEEASE..... Date: 7/9/00 2:27 pm (ET) For anyone who has the book, just out of common curtesy, PLEASE wait a week before posting spoilers...and include a warning, in the subject line. I'd like to read the posts here, without fear of seeing a plot twist from book IV. Some of us haven't gotten the book yet. :-P From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:49:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: HP Party in Houston Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3635 From: houston425 Subject: Re: HP Party in Houston Reply To: [Yahoo! #3628] HP Party in Houston Date: 7/9/00 2:49 pm (ET) Hello Well I just wanted to add a little about the Houston party as well (Hi Penny! It was great to meet you!) I think it was kind of a mob scene, but I think that is more of the bookstore's fault than anything. Penny I don't know if you watched the magic/science show or were at the front of the book line. I watched the magic show and was called at about 12:20 or so to pick up my book. (They were calling people in groups of 20 to line up for the book.) When I got to the book line I couldn't find it!!! :) I mean there was just a mass of people standing there and finally a very harassed looking store clerk again called for anyone with the first 60 numbers to go to her. I didn't leave until 12:45 and they had called about 150 or so numbers and a lot of people were still waiting. I have no clue if they ran out or not. I think the bookstore started worrying a little about how many people were going to show up. They called me at about 6 p.m. Friday evening to ask if I still wanted my book on reserve and if I was planning on coming in for the party. I'm just glad that I got my book with no real problems!!! :) Laurie From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 18:59:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: HP Party in Houston Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3636 From: houston425 Subject: Re: HP Party in Houston Reply To: [Yahoo! #3631] Re: HP Party in Houston Date: 7/9/00 2:59 pm (ET) Well that was a very interesting article. It sounds like the Bookstop that Penny and I were at was *not* as crowded as others, but of course that means that they had books for everyone who came out that night. And one lady gave the books out as party favors for her daughter's birthday party!!! Some party favor!!! From harrypotter4life at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 19:07:00 2000 From: harrypotter4life at yahoo.com (harrypotter4life) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:07:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3637 From: harrypotter4life Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3604] Re: I may not be an adult... Date: 7/9/00 3:07 pm (ET) Well, some weird thing happened. I have the book too! Just Kidding, has anyone finished number 4 yet? I'm on the chapter "Goblet of Fire" and I think this is definitely THE best one yet! Go J.K. Anywyas, you really shouldn't treat me like a kid(eh hem, houston) because I am in college. Point is...I am a prodigy. Not to brag but I think I'm right up there with you people. HP From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 19:24:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3638 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3637] Re: I may not be an adult... Date: 7/9/00 3:24 pm (ET) "Well, some weird thing happened. I have the book too! Just Kidding, has anyone finished number 4 yet? I'm on the chapter "Goblet of Fire" and I think this is definitely THE best one yet! Go J.K. Anywyas, you really shouldn't treat me like a kid(eh hem, houston) because I am in college. Point is...I am a prodigy. Not to brag but I think I'm right up there with you people." Finished it last night. Read it all in one go with just a few interuptions. Like I stopped to watch the tennis, talk to my brother who came to see me and eat some food! As to your age. We do not really mind how old people are around here as long as they write intelligent posts with good use of grammar and punctuation. Simon From mellypf at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 19:49:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: Best Seller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3639 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Best Seller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3630] Re: Best Seller List Date: 7/9/00 3:49 pm (ET) Hi everyone, I just joined the list a couple of days ago. I thoroughly enjoyed HPIV when I read it this weekend. It was really a fast read for a book that's over 700 pages. I'm going to dig back into this week, and then reread all of them. This has over taken PoA as my favorite. I couldn't put it down. (Obviously I'm in good company on that score!) I hadn't heard about the NY Times decision to split the Best Sellers list. I can understand having a childrens' best seller list. I *can't* understand why this book would *only* be on the childrens' list. That's ridiculous, IMO. I agree with Penny that GoF is not a children's book, although I'm sure that children who loved the others will also love this one. Melissa F From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:10:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3640 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 4:10 pm (ET) Good grief. Has everybody already finished the book? Did you guys read the thing or swallow it whole? I'll second the suggestion to hold off posting story related messages for a week. It'll take me at least that long to finish it because I plan on savoring every page of it... something I find difficult to do if I blast my way through it. My story of how I acquired the book. I was coming home from vacation last night and drive as hard as we could it was 1:00 AM before we got back to Houston. I expected to be simply too late to get a copy. Then in this morning's paper... nice story and a nice quote for our fearless leader... there is an advertisement for Best Buy. You know. The cheap computer and electronics people. They have the Harry Potter book on sale for $13. A quick call confirmed that they didn't open until 11:00 AM and they hadn't been open late the night before. I quickly arranged to be at the neighborhood Best Buy at 10:45 AM. I was third in line. The doors opened promptly at 11:00 AM and we rushed in. Best Buy has the least useful staff I've run into in a long time and none of them had any idea who or what a Harry Potter was much less where it was in the store. (Highest concentration of Muggles in quite a while too.) So there are a dozen or so of us racing through the store searching for the book. I happened to find the four copies they had first. I gave the first copy to an elderly lady who was buying the complete set for her grandchild and I took the second one. In four minutes they were sold out. But I had my copy. Now for the rest of the story. My 10 year old who has been flomping around for the last several days disappointed that she wasn't going to get to read Harry Potter IV before anyone else was a curious mixture of delight and horror when she saw the book. Her first words... God that's a big book. For a few minutes she sat and stared at it trying to decide whether to start it or finish her TV program. Ten minutes later, she turned off the TV and plunged into it. That alone is worth the price of admission. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:26:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3641 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3640] Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 4:26 pm (ET) I tried to read slowly. If I found myself skimming over certain paragraphs, I went back and re-read them because sometimes just one sentence will open up a whole new vista. What I found was that when I started reading, I was very quickly mesmerized. The outside world disappeared. When I finished it, I looked up and couldn't believe my eyes - it was almost 2 a.m. I had absolutely no sense of the passage of time. Believe me, there is so much in the book that re-reading it five or ten times will still be an incredible experience. From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:30:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3642 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3638] Re: I may not be an adult... Date: 7/9/00 4:30 pm (ET) OK, I was under the immpression that we'd already discussed the age thingy and that the spelling and stuff discussion was over. From houston425 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:30:00 2000 From: houston425 at yahoo.com (houston425) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3643 From: houston425 Subject: How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 4:30 pm (ET) I keep seeing in newspaper articles the retail price ($25.95) Did anybody actually pay that? I bought mine at Bookstop (owned by Barnes and Noble) and when you add tax paid $14.05 Anybody else? From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:32:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:32:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3644 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: How much did you pay? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3643] How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 4:32 pm (ET) I paid $30 for the 2 copies I got at Books-a-million. They had the usual discount plus, I think, an additional off too. Anyway, it was a deal. Trina From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:33:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: I may not be an adult... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3645 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: I may not be an adult... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3642] Re: I may not be an adult... Date: 7/9/00 4:33 pm (ET) ....and I really wouldn't be bother about your age as I'm only fifteen and I'm still here. ok, book 4 spoiler coming up s p o i l e r w a r n i n g did anyone else so NOT expect moody to be a daeth eater. And how many loose ends did she leave? I mean, what is Snape's task? What's Hagrid gonna do bout the Giant thing? I think that the first three books were just ther to introduce us to all the characters and now this is where the 'series' really starts. From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:36:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3646 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3641] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 4:36 pm (ET) if you read a book really quickly then it means that the next twenty times that you read it you'll always discover something new, I think that it's better to read many times quickly.....yeah OK, I'm excessivly fast at reading, finished the book in just under four hours and I'm halfway through again From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:37:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3647 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: How much did you pay? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3643] How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 4:37 pm (ET) the UK RRP was '14.99 but most shops were selling it for '9.99 and amazon.co.uk was selling it for '8.99 (excl. p+p) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 20:53:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3648 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: How much did you pay? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3647] Re: How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 4:53 pm (ET) "the UK RRP was '14.99 but most shops were selling it for '9.99 and amazon.co.uk was selling it for '8.99 (excl. p+p)" Whsmiths online had it at '8.24 including delivery for a few weeks. Someone else said that they got it for '7.99. These correspond, roughly (1.5:1 $:' ratio - actually just over this) $12.50 and $12 respectively. Simon From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:22:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:22:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3649 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: How much did you pay? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3648] Re: How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 5:22 pm (ET) Wal Mart had the book for $12.96 but they only had eleven copies to give out at the store I went to. Just finished the book also, but I'd like to reread it, and "cement" everything before I discuss it! From u24me_51555 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:26:00 2000 From: u24me_51555 at yahoo.com (u24me_51555) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:26:00 -0400 Subject: How much did you pay? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3650 From: u24me_51555 Subject: Re: How much did you pay? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3648] Re: How much did you pay? Date: 7/9/00 5:26 pm (ET) Hi I just joined and am excited about discussing Harry Potter. I had reserved 4 copies at our local Borders store for myself and 3 co-workers and paid $15.95 incl tax. But my husband who "bless his heart" suprised me with another copy he picked up at a "Sams" store which he paid $12.95 incl tax. Seems the prices are pretty much the same. Looking forward to be a member of this club and reading the posts. Debby (muggle wishing she was a witch) lol From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Getting Book IV -- and mental illness Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3651 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Getting Book IV -- and mental illness Date: 7/9/00 5:44 pm (ET) Back in March, I ordered it from amazon.co.uk because I didn't know that they weren't continuing the tradition of making the American edition wait until long after the British edition. Many of the "spoilers" on e-group Harry Potter Anonymous say how much less Americanization this one has. Yes, I read the spoilers, but I don't think commenting on the amount of Americanization is really a *spoiler*. I think they just didn't have time to send the book to the Americanizer, what with simultaneous publication and wasn't JKR still writing right up to the moment of sending the manuscript to the printers? When I found out that the American edition would be simultaneous, even when I found out Amazon.com was offering free FedEx for first quarter-million, I foolishly didn't change my order. a.c.uk sent me an e-mail Thursday that they had put it in the mail, but I don't really expect my hope that it will arrive Monday to be fulfilled.... my boss said she expects it to arrive Friday, but that may be her hope speaking, as whatever day it arrived, surely I would stay up all night reading it and call in sick the next day.... But my roommate Tim just phoned me from his shopping trip to Costco and said they have HP4 for $13.99, should he get it for me? You can guess what I answered!!!! I am waiting impatiently for his return. a.c.uk is charging L8.99 plus L4.95 s+h, I don't know what that is in /r/e/a/l/ Muggle money until I see it on my credit card bill. And this is a great deal more cheerful than the phone call I got while reading accumulated posts: my roommate Joyce was visiting her daughter Serina and got all suicidal (I'm sure that the kitten dying, last week, didn't help) and gave her car to her son (as if he could possibly make the payments!!!) and refused to let her daughter take her to the nearest hospital Emergency Room and ran out of the house, and her daughter phoned me for advice on whether she should call the police to report a suicidal person (which is what we are supposed to do, but the LAPD have a bad track record of 'accidentally' killing the suicides they're trying to prevent, and their policy is to put them in County Jail (rather than hospital) for 3 days 'psychological' observation). Fortunately, Joyce returned to her daughter's apartment while we were dithering, and I spoke to her on the phone. I told that she has to go on living for the sake of her 13-year-old cat Ebony, who is *totally* devoted to her, and she said to put Ebony in a shelter, she doesn't care anymore. I told her that her Serina believes that Serina's children need a grandma and she sulked. I *ordered* her to let Serina take her to Olive View, but she tried to run out the door again and Serina had to threaten that if she didn't go to the hospital willingly, she would call the police to report her being suicidal. Which actually does tie into an HP discussion from before book 4, we were discussing what the master of a House does. Part of it is to keep an eye on all the students in the house so ones who are sick can be sent to the Infirmary and ones who are having trouble with schoolwork can be paired up with older students for tutoring and ones who are emotionally disturbed must be gently privately conversed with to decide if what they need is an encouraging word, or some practical advice on coping with a real-life problem, or professional help for mental illness. What kind of professional help for mental illness exists in the wizard world? I mean, for the normal range of mental illnesses that Muggles also get. Potions? (When the Charms class covered Cheering Charms, I wondered if they serve in place of Prozac?) Curse removal? Ten years of talk therapy on a couch? From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:47:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: what did everyone think of HPIV? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3652 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: what did everyone think of HPIV? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3632] what did everyone think of HPIV? Date: 7/9/00 5:47 pm (ET) I thought it was really good, but I need to read it again to digest everything. Great turning point at the end----I predict that the next few books will be very good. Question: trying not to give spoilers, but when the guy mentioned the map to Dumbledore at the end, why didn't Harry have to explain or get in trouble? And did he get it back? Oh, yeah, and Harry's parents weren't backwards. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:55:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3653 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hi! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3616] Hi! Date: 7/9/00 5:55 pm (ET) > I took the ID of Rita_Skeeter2 because my real name is Rita. My real name is Rita, too, altho' I *like* being called Catlady (it appears from your other name luvmykatz that cats are another thing we have in common), and the spoilers let me know that Rita Skeeter is a negative character: one person said something about "the most annoying woman in the world". *I* am irritated at my name being used by a bad guy character! I'm glad at least that I'm no longer in the 9-12 (or 5 - 21) age group! I was one of those kids that other kids always make fun of, and the only things they could do with my name *then* were Read-a Book and Meter Maid. Btw, where is Trappe PA? A woman named Lola Rita Geselowitz in State College PA was the first white woman (besides me) that I ever met who was named Rita not short for something else (but she was a whole generation older than us). In fact, even the black and Latina 'Rita's are short for Marguerite and Margarita respectively. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:57:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: Best Seller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3654 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Best Seller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #3639] Re: Best Seller List Date: 7/9/00 5:57 pm (ET) Well, if this book isn't a children's book, how do you tell what books are children's books? Where do you draw the line? IMHO, none of the content in tGoF is offensive and the writing isn't above the comprehension level of most children. It's really a kids *and* adults book, but if I had to pick one, I would say kids. I think the Best Seller list for fiction should include ALL ficton. If they want to have a children's list, then okay, but books should be able to be on both lists. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 21:59:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:59:00 -0400 Subject: Getting Book IV -- and mental illnes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3655 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Getting Book IV -- and mental illnes Reply To: [Yahoo! #3651] Getting Book IV -- and mental illness Date: 7/9/00 5:59 pm (ET) > But my roommate Tim just phoned me from his shopping trip to Costco and said they have HP4 for $13.99, should he get it for me? You can guess what I answered!!!! I am waiting impatiently for his return I heard him coming in the door! 'Bye. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 22:16:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Teeny Tiny Humorous Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3656 From: Danemead Subject: Teeny Tiny Humorous Spoiler Date: 7/9/00 6:16 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E I would like to nominate Fred and George Weasley as the Hogwarts graduates most likely to make a million dollars before they are 25 years old. They're gonna patent all those things they've invented and make a killing! Go, Guys!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 22:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: First Thoughts - Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3657 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: First Thoughts - Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3621] First Thoughts - (no spoilers) Date: 7/9/00 6:19 pm (ET) Hi: <<<<I don't know about the rest of you, but after the first read-through, I already have a list about a mile long of things I want to talk about. There is so much new information in "Goblet" that we'll still be discussing it a year from now when HP5 comes out.>>> That's how I feel too. Someone on hpanonymous suggested a chapter by chapter discussion. I think that makes alot of sense, at least for me. Personally I'm so overwhelmed with things I want to discuss that I don't know where to start. Oh . . except I really do want to start by re-reading GoF immediately. <vbg> <<<One thing for sure - this is not a children's book any longer. Perhaps kids today have stronger stomachs than I do, but the final scene with Voldemort was rather sickening.>>>> I don't think it's a children's series anymore either. I think there are kids out there who can & will read them, and I think that's great. But, overall it seems to me it's becoming an older, more adult series. Maybe that's just because of the whole NY Times issue. Wonder if that editor has actually *read* the HP books. Grrr. SPOILER WARNING S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<A final note... I think Lori, in 'Paradigm of Uncertainty', has captured the essence of how I envision the adulthood of the Harry Potter I'm left with at the end of Book 4. This boy is ALONE, even with all his allies. The war has been declared, and we know it's going to last for at least the next few years.>>>>>> I was really amazed that he had to go it alone so early -- and a full-fledged confrontation with a strengthened Voldemort. I wasn't looking for that yet. Makes you wonder what else is in store for our beleagured hero. He had to grow up in a hurry in this one, didn't he? Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 22:23:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: HP Party in Houston Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3658 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: HP Party in Houston Reply To: [Yahoo! #3635] Re: HP Party in Houston Date: 7/9/00 6:23 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Well I just wanted to add a little about the Houston party as well (Hi Penny! It was great to meet you!)>>> Hi Laurie!! <<<I think it was kind of a mob scene, but I think that is more of the bookstore's fault than anything. Penny I don't know if you watched the magic/science show or were at the front of the book line.>>> I was at the front of the book line -- knowing that mine & Amy's muggles wanted to leave at the earliest possible moment. We had the first 2 tickets. I guess I missed the mob scene -- I could tell the store was getting more crowded, but that was all I knew. Glad you got your book with minimal hassle. Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 22:23:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3659 From: Danemead Subject: UK English vs American Date: 7/9/00 6:23 pm (ET) One thing I notice in my USA copies is the use of "feet" as a measurement. In Chapter Five of GoF, they are discussing the length of something (which I will not reveal here :P) and Mr. Weasley says "It was four feet long..." Does it say something else in the UK? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 22:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:28:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3660 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3640] Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 6:28 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Good grief. Has everybody already finished the book? Did you guys read the thing or swallow it whole?>>> Well, I for one set aside this weekend, knowing I would be unable to savor it (much as I wanted to). But, I didn't read it nearly as fast as some folks. Took me 13 hrs or so. I checked email around 9:30 yesterday morning to pick up an expected personal email. Was *amazed* at the number of people who had stayed up all night and/or read it in 3-4 hrs. <<I'll second the suggestion to hold off posting story related messages for a week.>>> Everyone please remember to use spoilers for the people who want to savor the book more! Skimmel -- I enjoyed your story about the Best Buy adventure. I can picture that scenario all too well. BTW, I know I should eat a big dish of crow over the cover-art. I *still* don't like it. <g> Penny From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 23:33:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:33:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3661 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3660] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 7:33 pm (ET) That's about what it took me. And to the 3-4 hours people: I can't really comprehend reading it that fast and still having ANY idea what's going on. If it was me, I'd probably be on page 700 and suddenly wonder something like "Who's this Harry kid anyway?" Cover art: What's the big insect with wings? One of Hagrid's treasure-digger thingys? (can't remember what they're called) From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 23:42:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:42:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3662 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3659] UK English vs American Date: 7/9/00 7:42 pm (ET) I thought they used customary (I mean, it is called the English system) in the UK too. I could be wrong; maybe they decided to join the metric bandwagon. Us Americans only use metric when buying bottled soda, and I don't see that changing in the near future. I refuse to buy gas in liters. Non-Harry Potter question: How does Congress plan to give us "family values" when it couldn't even get us to measure in centimeters? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 23:47:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:47:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3663 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3661] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 7:47 pm (ET) <<Cover art: What's the big insect with wings? One of Hagrid's treasure-digger thingys? (can't remember what they're called) >> I thought it was a beetle. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 9 23:50:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:50:00 -0400 Subject: skeeters (spoiler space) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3664 From: heiditandy Subject: skeeters (spoiler space) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3653] Re: Hi! Date: 7/9/00 7:50 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Down here in Florida, what other people call Mosquitos are called SKEETERS. Just thought some of you might like to know that. From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 00:05:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3665 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3660] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 8:05 pm (ET) I'm on page 574 and am positively giddy over this one. I'll admit I am stunned at the 3-4 hour claim, even the 14 hrs. is a bit wild, but if I could read without other folks taking my time I maybe could have in 14-15. So far I'm in agreement that book 4 is a little darker and more adult oriented in content. Back to the book peeps, looking forward to discussion! Rio From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 00:16:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Subject: fedex good, B&N bad Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3666 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: fedex good, B&N bad Reply To: [Yahoo! #3665] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 8:16 pm (ET) Obviously, FedEx deliverers were on Firebolts, or at least on Nimbus 2000s, while B&N was only willing to supply their staff with Cleansweep 7s. Or maybe B&N found themselves suffering from the Full Body Bind. See this article from the Washington Post for more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6839-2000Jul8.html From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 00:24:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:24:00 -0400 Subject: fedex good, B&N bad Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3667 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: fedex good, B&N bad Reply To: [Yahoo! #3666] Re: fedex good, B&N bad Date: 7/9/00 8:24 pm (ET) <<. At a Barnes & Noble in Bethesda, more than a dozen children were reportedly told the books they had reserved weeks ago were sold--to other customers--Friday night. "It's not only wrong, it's unacceptable," said a distraught Noah Guthman, 7. Noah's mother, Adina Kole, later found a copy at a Crown Books and said she's thinking of boycotting Barnes & Noble. Employees at the store declined to comment yesterday, saying only that they expected to have more copies in stock by Tuesday.>> That just is wrong! I am sorry, but doing that to kids, this and that UPS stuff just proves that B&N are handling this very wrongly!!!! From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 01:24:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3668 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3663] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 9:24 pm (ET) I think you're right, now that I notice, um, white dots on the antennae. But I still think that it looks like it has bat wings. From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 01:44:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: formerly MsJaneDoe31 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3669 From: msbooktworm Subject: formerly MsJaneDoe31 Date: 7/9/00 9:44 pm (ET) Well, I canceled my UPS order at Barnes & Noble earlier today, and then searched all over the city for a copy. I finally found it at Wal-Mart for half the price. I then walked around the store flaunting it and realized that I could be home reading. I suppose UPS will try to deliver the book tomorrow. I am through with Barnes & Noble and UPS! This is still Melissa, formerly MsJaneDoe31. I have two Yahoo! accounts and decided that that is simply one too many. Read on... Melissa From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 01:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: Okay, I've finished it & a few comments Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3670 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Okay, I've finished it & a few comments Date: 7/9/00 9:49 pm (ET) ... and I thought it was great! It cost me '8.99 and it took me about 17 hours to read it, but I took several breaks. Finished it about an hour ago. To answer a non-spoiler question, the UK has gone metric, but most oldsters, like me, still think in feet, inches, miles and stones. JK Rowling too, by the look of it: the thing mentioned earlier, that was "four feet long"? The UK edition says "four foot long" - pretty much the same. Now some mildly spoiling comments - don't read them if you haven't read the book. S P O I L E R S P A C E .. . . . . . I found the opening chapter and the Quidditch World Cup chapters quite unexpected and stunning. What a way to open the book! For me, the most upsetting thing was the fall-out between Harry and Ron. The emotional ties between the three main characters were explored very thoroughly, I thought. The teaser about 'a death we'll care about' turned out to be a bit misleading. I was expecting more, somehow, and I'm now wondering what will happen in Book 5. I hope there's more of the other teachers and students in future books - they seemed a bit sidelined in this one. So many questions remained unanswered (quite a few answered too though!!!) Finally, the other the Patil twin surfaced! Perhaps JKR wrote her in because of all the comments? Neil From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 01:59:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Herm-own-ninny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3671 From: vivace1320 Subject: Herm-own-ninny Reply To: [Yahoo! #3670] Okay, I've finished it & a few comments Date: 7/9/00 9:59 pm (ET) I think J.K. went a bit out of her way to teach everyone how to pronounce Hermione (Her-my-o-nee) because a lot of kids at least didn't know how. I think I read something about that a couple weeks back, and then it came to my mind when I was reading GoF. Personally, I checked the pronounciation in a dictionary a few books ago. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 02:29:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:29:00 -0400 Subject: Nice Interview on 60 Minutes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3672 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Nice Interview on 60 Minutes Date: 7/9/00 10:29 pm (ET) Today was a repeat of an interview with JKR that was made probably about a year ago. Very interesting to see how she had the book all grided out with plot, and lists of magick words. She also had several excellent drawings that she had made of Harry and others from the book. I sure would have liked to see more of them. She is also quite the artist. It is interesting see how she sees Harry and Hagrid etc. Damn, I wish I would have taped it. From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 02:50:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort (small B4 spoiler on Ct1) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3673 From: brp13 Subject: Voldemort (small B4 spoiler on Ct1) Date: 7/9/00 10:50 pm (ET) Let's see. After reading the very first chapter in book 4, and using knowledge from books 1-3 (My main source on this guess), I predict that Voldemort will return to power. He will reach the height of his power in book 7, and Harry and him will have a face-off, in full power. The last word supposibly being scar will probably have to do with Harry's scar. This is just a guess. From daughter_of_jupiter at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 03:18:00 2000 From: daughter_of_jupiter at yahoo.com (daughter_of_jupiter) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:18:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3674 From: daughter_of_jupiter Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3661] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 11:18 pm (ET) Hi there. I've been lurking about for about a month and have enjoyed your discussions. I think the big insect with wings is a pissed off veela (page 111). Looking forward to joining discussions of Book IV! Jill From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 03:30:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:30:00 -0400 Subject: Cover (was: fine dining versus whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3675 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Cover (was: fine dining versus whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3674] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/9/00 11:30 pm (ET) About the cover: only when I got the full size book, did I notice Padfoot peeking over the horizon. From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 04:31:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: Finally done!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3676 From: sakerio Subject: Finally done!!! Date: 7/10/00 12:31 am (ET) Whew! Not lightning quick like some, but I loved every minute of it.Small spoilers below...... s p o i l e r .. . I definetly think GoF was a bit more on the "adult" story than the previous three.Book 5 is already on my mind. The important death was a tad overblown though.I was happy to see more on Neville(who is quickly becoming one of my faves). I stil can't decide my favorite 1 liner...it's either "wonky faint" or "Bong Sewer". I was rolling on those two....lol. And Rita...that was too good. Ah well I hope I didn't give away too much for folks who are peeking(like me), looking forward to the discussion... Rio From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 06:22:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:22:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3677 From: Danemead Subject: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 2:22 am (ET) In other book groups I'm in, the usual procedure is for someone to write a short summary of the Chapter events, and then everyone can leap in with their theories and comments. Then you either continue the discussion until you've exhausted the topic (HAH!), or else we allocate one week per chapter. It would be up to our ListMom to determine the starting date. Various people usually volunteer to do the summaries. Sometimes multiple versions of the chapter summary occur, and it's always interesting to see how many different ways people can emphasize or interpret events. From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 07:51:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:51:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3678 From: taj_de_asia Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art?? Date: 7/10/00 3:51 am (ET) Hi all! I'm new to this club, and new to Harry Potter...I'm so glad I found your group, since my mind's seething with all the events from bk 4 and I'm hoping y'all will have a great big discussion!!!^_^ Cover art-mine's different from the one on the amazon.com page. It's got Harry zooming around on a broomstick, looking very small. Which version is this? S P O I L E R ! No, really! Some big ones! Ok, then.... Confession-I liked how it was made obvious that Dumbledore really does trust Snape. And how Snape and Sirius had to shake hands at the end... Cedric Diggory?? By that point, I'd almost forgotten about the 'major death' and i had to re-read that bit to believe it.Upsetting, but not damaging, like JKR said somewhere. Neville-wow, poor guy... And Hermione's transformation-woohoo!!!:)Loved seeing Ron fume..part of me wishes it had been Harry fuming, but only a part. It was just weird how Harry thot of asking Myrtle before Hermione.0_o Can't remember reading any other children's book with swear words in it. Not to say I haven't, or there aren't, just can't remember them right now. Well, that's it for now...I've been reading what some of you had to say about it, now you've had a chance to breathe. MJ. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 08:35:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:35:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3679 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3678] SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art?? Date: 7/10/00 4:35 am (ET) "Cover art-mine's different from the one on the amazon.com page. It's got Harry zooming around on a broomstick, looking very small. Which version is this?" I think there are only two versions at the moment - the US Scholastic version (pic on amazon.com) and the UK Bloomsbury version (pic on amazon.co.uk & also in the Photos section of this club). You must have the UK book. Where are you? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 08:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:54:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3680 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3677] Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 4:54 am (ET) "you either continue the discussion until you've exhausted the topic (HAH!), or else we allocate one week per chapter." Danemead, I like the idea of chapter summaries, but I'm not sure we'd be able to discuss them in strict sequence so soon after the book's release; I'm sure we'll all be bursting to discuss anything that springs to mind, for a while. Perhaps we can do a bit of both - a chapter each week to focus the discussion and the usual spontaneous comments and questions. Thirty-seven chapters - one a week - would bring us up to 3 months before the publication of book 5. Another idea is to introduce characters or plotlines for discussion each week, if there are no threads ocurring naturally (somehow, I don't think this group is likely to have that problem!) Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 09:08:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:08:00 -0400 Subject: Observer review... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3681 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Observer review... Date: 7/10/00 5:08 am (ET) UK Sunday newspaper The Observer was among the first here to review GoF from an adult perspective. Its Literary Editor, Robert McCrum seemed grudgingly impressed, but from a distance, and he is oddly critical of JKR's use of language. When it comes to spoilers, he was pretty careless, so don't look at this link unless you've read the book: - http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,341352,00.html Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 10:21:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:21:00 -0400 Subject: Use of spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3682 From: hert0661 Subject: Use of spoilers Date: 7/10/00 6:21 am (ET) Please note this contains no spoilers! Can people not use full stops (period things) as line breaks in their spoilers. I have been having the club messages by e-mail and I get the posts only up until the use of consecutive line which contain the '.' at the start. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 10:23:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:23:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3683 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3680] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 6:23 am (ET) I was thinking that we could do something like a character discussion. Discussing how we saw their developement in the book and where we think they will go from now. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 11:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:11:00 -0400 Subject: Use of spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3684 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Use of spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3682] Use of spoilers Date: 7/10/00 7:11 am (ET) "I have been having the club messages by e-mail and I get the posts only up until the use of consecutive line which contain the '.' at the start." Ooops. I did use a mixture of letters and dots in one message. Just to clarify what you said, you would have seen everything up to and including all the dots, but nothing of the text *after* the dots? Just want to be sure! I wonder why it cuts the message off after full stops? Is there some sort of truncation on e-mails? Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:15:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:15:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3685 From: babynick34 Subject: First Editions Date: 7/10/00 8:15 am (ET) Hi all Does anyone know how many First Editions were printed by Bloomsbury (UK) and the other publishers around the world? The copy of GoF I picked up from WHSmith at Kings Cross, was a First Edition. The copy I got from WHSmith at Reading was a First Edition. The copy I got from WHSmith Online was a First Edition - but the copy I got direct from Bloomsbury was a 2nd Edition. So... looks like the publishers are already on to second edition print run already. If you have the UK version of the book - do you have a First edition, or another edition? (You can check by looking at the Copyright Page. This time Bloomsbury have printed the words FIRST EDITION if it's from the first print run. If it does not have this, it will have a series of numbers which indicate the printing batch. How about you lot in the US... how are the Scholastic editions marked - do you have a First edition, or second edition printing. Do you know how many where printed as First Editions? What about other countries - Philipines for example (great to know the books came out over there at the same time). Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:25:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:25:00 -0400 Subject: Ask Jo. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3686 From: babynick34 Subject: Ask Jo. Date: 7/10/00 8:25 am (ET) Your chance to Ask Jo any questions you may have. BBC TV's News Programme NEWSROUND (www.bbc.co.uk/newsround) is interviewing Jo on 14th July. They want questions from fans. ------- You can be part of Newsround's brilliant Harry Potter exclusive! Lizo is meeting Harry Potter's author, J K Rowling, to ask her HUNDREDS of questions, for a Newsround special on Friday 14 July at 5pm, called Newsround and the Harry Potter Express. But what would you like to know? E-mail us your burning questions at Newsround and Lizo will ask her the best ones! Remember to include your Name, Age, E-mail address and Town! newsround at bbc.co.uk ------ Newsround also has a review of GoF. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/special_reports/lizo_review.shtml Nick. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:31:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:31:00 -0400 Subject: Good morning all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3687 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Good morning all! Date: 7/10/00 8:31 am (ET) I also receive posts by email, but can't post anything myself until I get into my computer at work, so I have a story I'd love to tell. Originally I'd been planning on hopping on a train and going to visit my family in Pennsylvania this past weekend as a surprise. As I was packing my bag, I froze - and realized that I couldn't possibly go anywhere! My precious book was being delivered on Saturday! I woke up, bright and early in anticipation, and sure enough, after I'd finished with my shower and breakfast @ 9:00ish, the doorbell rang. I had ordered from barnesandnoble.com, and had requested regular postal service delivery. And there was the nicest postal worker you've ever seen (and that's an entirely different conversation!) I thanked her profusely and mentioned that it wasn't necessary for her to ring my bell and hand deliver it, but she explained that she had seen some kids nosing aroung previous deliveries, and that she was now taking the time to hand deliver it to every single person. Then, laughing, she invited me to take a peek at the back of her truck. We went back down my stoop where she opened the doors, and there were hundreds of books in their USPS wrappers with their bright yellow stickers marked MUST BE DELIVERED ON JULY 8TH. That was ALL she was delivering that day. She mentioned that it was the first time in her postal career that everyone loved her! And yes, I also finished it in one sitting. Not because I wanted to devour it, but rather because I just couldn't put it down. I'm glad I ate breakfast, because I became so engrossed that I totally forgot to stop and eat anything else for the rest of the day. That's what I call good book! And I agree that this is the best so far. S P O I L E R S P A C E So now we all know the meaning behind the cover! And I have to admit that it's growing on me. It seems that Ms. Rowling is breaking with convention by opening with something other than Harry with the Dursley's. I knew right away that this book was definitely going to be darker. How creepy was that?!? And in response to a post over the weekend (sorry, can't remember right now who wrote it) Moody wasn't a death eater...the FAKE Moody was, however. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:32:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3688 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3685] First Editions Date: 7/10/00 8:32 am (ET) "Does anyone know how many First Editions were printed by Bloomsbury (UK) and the other publishers around the world?" Erk, Nick - how many copies of the book do you plan on buying?! Bloomsbury printed 1 million first editions, which is a HUGE number. Apparently they had complaints from book collectors/dealers that the bulk of first editions of the earlier books had been sent overseas, leaving fewer more 'valuable' versions in the UK, so they decided to do a huge run just to keep everyone happy (also devaluing the first editions, of course). My copy of GoF says "First Edition", but I ain't gettin' excited about it. I have the paperback versions of the other three books: 44th printing of PS, 20th printing of CoS, and first printing (first reprinting, I think, rather than first edition) of PoA. All priceless, naturally. Neil Nick - it was nice to see you at King's Cross, albeit briefly! Your pictures of the event are great. I expect mine, in contrast, to be awful... just about to go and collect them now. From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:35:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:35:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3689 From: lilly_potter Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3685] First Editions Date: 7/10/00 8:35 am (ET) The American booh says " The firat American edition July 2000" From lilly_potter at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 12:36:00 2000 From: lilly_potter at yahoo.com (lilly_potter) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:36:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3690 From: lilly_potter Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3689] Re: First Editions Date: 7/10/00 8:36 am (ET) sorry that was spose to be first From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 13:08:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: More Pictures - Didcot. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3691 From: babynick34 Subject: More Pictures - Didcot. Date: 7/10/00 9:08 am (ET) Pictures from Didcot have been uploaded to Photo Album. I have many more pictures of the train and things, but did not want to bore you with those. Anyone who wants to see more images, email me - nick at nicmit.com and I will send you some by email. Nick. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 13:46:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:46:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3692 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3677] Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 9:46 am (ET) Hi: I like Danemead's suggestions re: a structured chapter discussion method. I agree with Neil that it will be hard to keep it entirely focused, especially for awhile as people will want to jump in with whatever they are thinking of right that second. But, it's a good way to impose *some* structure for those that would enjoy it. I do want to stress though that we should all keep putting SPOILER warnings on, even for the discussions of the early chapters. It seems to me that it will be very easy to inject later events (with 20/20 hindsight) into discussions of even the earliest chapters. I will volunteer to summarize Chapter 1 -- later today. This chapter seems to me to be one where it will be very easy to fall into the trap of letting knowledge of the ending of the book fall into your discussions of this one. It would be really nice if we could do structured discussions of one chapter a week, since that would definitely keep us occupied until next summer. I have a feeling that won't be a problem though since this book is so packed with information, complexity & so forth. So many posts I want to respond to -- I should forget doing any real work today, shouldn't I? Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 13:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3693 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3685] First Editions Date: 7/10/00 9:53 am (ET) Hi: <<<Does anyone know how many First Editions were printed by Bloomsbury (UK) and the other publishers around the world?>>> Bloomsbury printed 1.5 million in the first print run, and Scholastic printed 3.8 million copies. These are all 1st editions, 1st printings. Even with the larger numbers of first print runs than with the earlier books, these are still valuable. I've decided to hang on to my backup copy from amazon for investment purposes. <g> All of the HP books are first editions at the moment. The distinction is what print run you have. If there have been no changes to the manuscript (even punctuation & spelling corrections) and they just re-run it as is, it's a subsequent print run. When they make some changes, that's when it would be a 2nd edition. Maybe someone more well-versed in the intracies of the publishing industry can explain it better than I have. What I want to know is: Are the publishers in a 2nd print run already? I wouldn't be surprised, based on what the Houston papers are saying (and Skimmel's report yesterday), there are few, if any, copies for sale in Houston (4th largest city in the country). So, I can't *wait* to see if the majority of the 3.8 million print run is gone. Wonder if the NY Times Book Review thinks 3.8 million children bought a copy for themselves last weekend? <g> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 13:59:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Ask Jo. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3694 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Ask Jo. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3686] Ask Jo. Date: 7/10/00 9:59 am (ET) Hi: Let's come up with several really great, pressing questions and have each one submitted by folks from this board. I think I might want to ask if the ancestor/descendant thing in CoS is significant or just a typo. Wonder if she would at least acknowledge its significance (if there is any), even if she won't elaborate on it?? If people want to throw out questions today, I could compile them all, see how many we have and then parcel them out to various people. I'm assuming I can't ask multiple questions from my email address or could I? Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 14:01:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3695 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3693] Re: First Editions Date: 7/10/00 10:01 am (ET) <<Wonder if the NY Times Book Review thinks 3.8 million children bought a copy for themselves last weekend? <g>>> When I spoke with my very friendly postal worker, she said that at least half of the deliveries whe made were to adults. And those books that were delivered to kids, their parents were just as excited as their children. BTW, Penny, you weren't the only one to write a letter to the Times complaining about the bestseller list. The gist of my letter stated that if the books are bestsellers, generating the revenue and the numbers sold, there is no reason why they should be separated out. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 14:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Good morning all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3696 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Good morning all! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3687] Good morning all! Date: 7/10/00 10:04 am (ET) Hi: <<<<And yes, I also finished it in one sitting. Not because I wanted to devour it, but rather because I just couldn't put it down. I'm glad I ate breakfast, because I became so engrossed that I totally forgot to stop and eat anything else for the rest of the day. That's what I call good book!>>> Glad to know I'm not the only one who became so engrossed that they couldn't put it down to eat or anything else. My husband asked rather delicately about 5:00 in the afternoon if I was planning to shower or eat that day. <g> I did shower but I let him fix dinner and serve it to me. I really hadn't *planned* on reading it all in one sitting. I did expect to finish it over the weekend, just not necessarily all on Saturday. Couldn't put it down though! Penny From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 14:28:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Good morning all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3697 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: Good morning all! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3696] Re: Good morning all! Date: 7/10/00 10:28 am (ET) I also read the entire book on Saturday. It was totally engrossing! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 14:55:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: Ask Jo. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3698 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Ask Jo. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3694] Re: Ask Jo. Date: 7/10/00 10:55 am (ET) "Let's come up with several really great, pressing questions and have each one submitted by folks from this board." I don't want to put a dampener on this, but "Newsround" is a children's programme and likely, therefore, to choose kids' questions over those of adults (note that they asked the age of the questioner). I could be wrong, but don't be suprised if your questions aren't featured if you say you are over 16! We could always pretend to be kids... Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:05:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3699 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3685] First Editions Date: 7/10/00 11:05 am (ET) I have a first edition but 1 of at least a million is hardly special! They are already onto a second run and further. Does this mean that about 1 in every 60 people has a copy in this country? Or does Nick have the lot? I have paperbacks of the others, 42nd, 20th and 1st edition respectively! Simon From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:10:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:10:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3700 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3692] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 11:10 am (ET) Yes! I want to participate in Chapter Dicussions! What a great idea...considering I finished my book already. From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:11:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3701 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: First Editions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3699] Re: First Editions Date: 7/10/00 11:11 am (ET) I feel special! I have a first edition Hardback of All 4 Books! I'm in the "Barnes & Noble Mafia"...shhhh... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 15:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: A few more pictures... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3702 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: A few more pictures... Date: 7/10/00 11:48 am (ET) Don't get too excited, folks! We're nearly out of space in the Photos section, but I managed to squeeze in a few of my small, dingy pictures of the King's Cross event. Er, these were the best of 40 shots - most of them were too dark or blurred, a combination of:- 1. brand new camera, fresh out of the box 2. not enough light... that's what the flashing red light meant, I s'pose 3. not nearly enough skill (I'm *the* worst photographer) Still, Nick took loads of really good digital shots, so you get the idea. I just had to get the Ford Anglia in though :) Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: For voicelady Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3703 From: plinsenmayer Subject: For voicelady Date: 7/10/00 12:11 pm (ET) Hi Voicelady: I haven't been able to reply to the 2 emails you sent earlier today. Do I have a wrong address? They keep bouncing back as no service available. Email me with where I should send my replies. sorry guys -- Penny From sage016 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:32:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:32:00 -0400 Subject: audiobooks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3704 From: sage016 Subject: audiobooks Date: 7/10/00 12:32 pm (ET) hey! have any of you guys listened to the harry potter books on tape or CD? I just bought PoA on CD and i ordered GoF on CD from amazon on saturday. I was just wondering what you all thought of them? I feel sort of left out, because i started reading harry potter before it was famous, i read the 1st book and half the second, but then with school never continued. so i just re-read the 2nd and am just starting the 3rd today. But thats not to say, i didnt get my copy of GoF at 12 midnight on friday night.......because i did! hehe...anyway, i was just wondering about the audiobooks, and what you all thought about them From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:36:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:36:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Illustrations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3705 From: Danemead Subject: Chapter Illustrations Date: 7/10/00 12:36 pm (ET) I LOVE the chapter illustrations in Book IV -- I may have to break down and get myself a scanner so I can use some of them on stationery, LOL! Special favorites are Chapter 13 (the new DADA teacher), and the one of Harry in Chapter 17. I think I'm in the minority when I say I like the one of Harry on the cover of the USA edition. He's so cuuuuuuuute! From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 16:57:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: Jim Dale Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3706 From: dee_97527 Subject: Jim Dale Date: 7/10/00 12:57 pm (ET) I found an excerpt of "Goblet of Fire" on CNN this morning. You get to it from: http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/08/harry.potter.03/index.html It is from Chapter 12. Diann From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:02:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: Socks! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3707 From: crinkle25 Subject: Socks! Date: 7/10/00 1:02 pm (ET) This is a tiny, humorous spoiler.... S P A C E S P A C E ...I think EVERYONE in the world should have a pair of socks that "Scream loudly when the user's feet become too smelly". Ah, what a wonderful world it would be! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:06:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Illustrations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3708 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Illustrations Reply To: [Yahoo! #3705] Chapter Illustrations Date: 7/10/00 1:06 pm (ET) "I LOVE the chapter illustrations in Book IV" I'd love to see them. We don't get them in the UK version [sob]. Maybe later in the year! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:11:00 -0400 Subject: audiobooks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3709 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: audiobooks Reply To: [Yahoo! #3704] audiobooks Date: 7/10/00 1:11 pm (ET) "hey! have any of you guys listened to the harry potter books on tape or CD?" I bought CD versions the first three books (the US versions) and I've just ordered GoF to complete the set. I've only listened to Book 1 so far though. I like listening to the stories, especially as I can do other things at the same time, but I find it much harder to get absorbed in them than when reading. Also, Jim Dale mispronounces some words, which gets annoying. I like the artwork and packaging of the CDs - looks great. Neil From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:14:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Observer review... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3710 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Observer review... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3681] Observer review... Date: 7/10/00 1:14 pm (ET) I found the Observer review to be pretty worthless. The reviewer criticizes JKR in a very general sort of way, then quotes at length from the book, and thats it. She or he never really says WHY the book/writing style/ is good or bad or popular or interesting; instead just states his or her opinion and quotes a lot. I found Janet Maslins review in todays (7/10) NY Times much more interesting. On that note, is there anyone out there more internet savvy than I am who would collect the links to all the book reviews of GoF? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:21:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3711 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3692] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 1:21 pm (ET) I also like the idea of chapter-by-chapter discussions, but I think we should wait a week or two before starting them. A lot of people want to make general comments about book 4, clear up confusion about the plot, and many people feel obligated to describe every detail of their hour of waiting on line at XYZ bookstore or at home waiting for the UPS truck that never showed (yes, I know my rudeness and intolerance is oozing out; sorry). Anyway, why dont we wait a week for all of the craziness and hype to dissipate a little? Just a suggestion. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:26:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3712 From: karob_7 Subject: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Date: 7/10/00 1:26 pm (ET) I'm new to the club--just joined on Friday. I received GoF Friday and read for 10 hours straight. I thought it was great, and I've begun to read it again, this time more slowly. But there's something I'm wondering.... S P O I L E R .. . . . . . . Did anyone notice that one of the "old crowd" Dumbledore asks Sirius to contact at the end has the name of Arabella Figg... and the name of the lady Harry stays with while the Dursleys go on birthday outings for Dudley (the one with the house that smells of cats) is Mrs. Figg? Mrs. Figg was a bit peculiar... I wonder if this is a coincidence. Karin From mellypf at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:35:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Illustrations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3713 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Chapter Illustrations Reply To: [Yahoo! #3705] Chapter Illustrations Date: 7/10/00 1:35 pm (ET) I really like the cover and Harry's picture on the front of the USA edition. Melissa F From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 17:53:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:53:00 -0400 Subject: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3714 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Reply To: [Yahoo! #3712] Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Date: 7/10/00 1:53 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Not really needed here but, anyway I noticed that also. I re-read PoA before book 4 and re-reading CoS now, but someone has my copy of book 1 so I can't check all the details, but I suspect the 2 Figgs are 1 and the same. Rio From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:08:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Observer review... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3715 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Observer review... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3710] Re: Observer review... Date: 7/10/00 2:08 pm (ET) "I found the Observer review to be pretty worthless." Oh, I agree! It had the feel of: 'Yawn...oh, I suppose I'd better review this kids' book that everyone's going on about', and I think it typified the snooty attitude of many British literature critics. They are either like him, or rather shallow: 'Hey, my kids really love this - isn't it amazing how popular it is?'. In an effort to be seen as original, many reviewers simply lose the plot. Check out the synopses of GoF on Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk. The latter says something stupid like "she could have cut out 200 pages quite easily," implying that JKR made the book really huge just to pander to an adult readership (uh? & duh!). The US summary is much better. Neil From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:19:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:19:00 -0400 Subject: Whew!! Finally... :-) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3716 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Whew!! Finally... :-) Date: 7/10/00 2:19 pm (ET) I finally managed to bribe the local bookstore owner into giving me a copy, (even though every copy there was on reserve). So far, I'm loving it :-)...I think it's a great idea, (whoever made that suggestion) to give chap. by chap., reviews and analysis. :-) I just have to wonder, how many new fans will be swept up in the "hype bandwagon" and become new fans of Ms. Rowling? In a way, this is good...With so many fans, the upcoming film is under THAT MUCH MORE pressure, to GET IT RIGHT. I just saw he 90's version of A Little Princess, this past weekend and I think, if the prodcers, could just get that cinematographer...The Harry Potter film, would be beautiful, and magical. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:20:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: Use of spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3717 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Use of spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3684] Re: Use of spoilers Date: 7/10/00 2:20 pm (ET) "Just to clarify what you said, you would have seen everything up to and including all the dots, but nothing of the text *after* the dots? Just want to be sure!" I get the text up until the lines that start with a full stop. After this I get nothing, not even the part of the message that is concerned with how you reply and how to read the group. "Is there some sort of truncation on e-mails?" It could be the e-mail system I use but it is annoying and a fairly simple request for the members of the group to change their habits! Simon From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:22:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3718 From: tori_grrrl Subject: A Question Date: 7/10/00 2:22 pm (ET) So there I was, at work Saturday, minding my own business, bouncing around half from excitement from having the book, half from exhaustion because I was out partying till three in the morn with fellow Potter fans at Left Bank Books. Suddenly, my manager looked at me and said "God, you're like a Trekie!" That got me to thinking. First, I have no idea how to spell "trekie", and second...what are we? I mean, what do we call ourselves? Potterites? Harryphiles? I used to laugh at the people who went to Star Trek conventions, or people who recreated the Civil War, but now I know how they feel. I, therefore, think that we should have some sort of official name. A name that says "Yes, we know we're weird, but we don't care!" Just a thought. Tori Grrrl From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:28:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3719 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3718] A Question Date: 7/10/00 2:28 pm (ET) I, therefore, think that we should have some sort of official name. A name that says "Yes, we know we're weird, but we don't care!" Pottys? From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:29:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Nice Interview on 60 Minutes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3720 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: Nice Interview on 60 Minutes Reply To: [Yahoo! #3672] Nice Interview on 60 Minutes Date: 7/10/00 2:29 pm (ET) I wish I would've taped it, as well. :-P Oh well...I did notice a couple of things during the course of the interview, though. One, was Ms. Rowling's high sense of artistic integrity. That's very admirable :-). If she would have sold out, at the cost of flooding the market with Harry Potter "stuff" (good and bad, but from that interview, mostly bad :-P). She could be a 100 millionaire. *WOW!!* And Two, was it just me, or did Ms. Rowling's childhood picture look more like how one would picture Dudley Dursley to look like, rather than Hermione? *heh,heh* From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:29:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3721 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3711] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 2:29 pm (ET) Would we then do a chapter a week as this would take us most of the way through to book 5! The other option I suggested earlier is to do it by characters or themes as this would probably split the book into more interesting sections. Also we could then start with a few of the smaller characters first to give people the chance to read or re-read the book and look up other pointsa in nother books. I do like the idea of a chapter discussion but HP anonymous also are looking at doing one and I think it would be an interesting idea if we could do something a little different here as many people are members of both groups. My tuppence. Simon PS: For those who asked - I landed on the 2:1/2:2 borderline for this years exams. With a little more work next year and maybe slightly less HP this should become a 2:1 when I sit my last lot of exams in June next year! From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:35:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Observer review... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3722 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Observer review... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3715] Re: Observer review... Date: 7/10/00 2:35 pm (ET) Well, there is alot that could be cut from the book, but it makes the book more useful if you haven't read the first 3 either for a while or at all. I think a person could pick up book 4 and understand it almost as well as if they had read the 3 before it. There is almost always something that can be cut from a book. However, it's often more interesting to read the uncut edition instead of the cut one. Besides, JKR can do what she wants now with the book, she doesn't need to pad the books to make it longer to attract an adult audience. From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:51:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3723 From: sakerio Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3719] Re: A Question Date: 7/10/00 2:51 pm (ET) LOL, it popped into my head too, but I just could not say it. Glad you did though,Lol Rio From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:59:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: Ask Jo. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3724 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Ask Jo. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3694] Re: Ask Jo. Date: 7/10/00 2:59 pm (ET) This is a good idea to relegate different questions to different people... I think *several* of us should separately submit the Voldemort ancestor/descendent question, since this seems to me the sort of question that the busy-bodies screening the questions might misinterpret as a "crank" unless more than one of the same question is submitted. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:08:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3725 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3718] A Question Date: 7/10/00 3:08 pm (ET) I've already suggested this name to tori, but I wanted your imput... How about "potter-heads"?? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:09:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3726 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3721] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 3:09 pm (ET) There's nothing to stop us taking various approaches to discussions of GoF, providing we slap spoiler warnings (no dots, naturally) over everything. It's really a question of triggering off threads of conversation, after all. I'm not sure the overlap between this group and harrypotteranonymous is that great. There are a lot of people posting there who don't seem to be here as well (mind you - difficult to tell with all the IDs in here!). So, I don't think we should do something different for that reason. I had the fleeting idea of setting up a new Yahoo club for discussing GoF without spoilers, but decided that was a bit like creating a splinter group... What should we do about the chat sessions? Maybe have some chat sessions for people who have read book 4 and some for general chats? Neil From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:14:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3727 From: brp13 Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3725] Re: A Question Date: 7/10/00 3:14 pm (ET) Sounds fun. From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:18:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: Ask Jo. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3728 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Ask Jo. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3724] Re: Ask Jo. Date: 7/10/00 3:18 pm (ET) Minor B4 spoiler on chapter one here, so consider yourself warned. Notice the house where the people died was the Riddles? Now here's something for you. Go back and read Book 2. Notice something? Tom Riddle... Voldemort.. Just a thought. Anyways, I bet his ancestry plays a big part in later books, so your not likely to get anything about it. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: Ford Anglia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3729 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ford Anglia Reply To: [Yahoo! #3726] Re: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 3:20 pm (ET) Ok, I have to ask. Being an American, I haven't a clue. On the show 1900 House, shown on PBS, they compared their range to a ford anglia, as opposed to a Rolls Royce. What is a Ford Anglia? :) Dee From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:24:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3730 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3677] Chapter Discussions Date: 7/10/00 3:24 pm (ET) lalalalalalala spoiler lalalala ok that should do it ok, when harry was telling Dumbledore what happened between him and Voldemort and says that V was able to touch H now JKR writes about ' for a fleeting instant harry thought that he saw something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes' what the hell wsa that about? Also, how much are hagrid and Mm. Maxine gonna get together? What is Snapes task? I see the first three books as just introductions...here is Sirius, here is Harry etc. book four really started the series part of it. I agree that V. is gonna get more and more powerful as the books go on. Harry's 'carefree' (it's all reletive) school days are over, I now think that Hogwarts is going to be a major centre for people battling against V. let me know what you think Pol! ps. grrrrrrr @ Cho From naraht at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:25:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Washington Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3731 From: naraht Subject: Re: Washington Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #3558] Re: Washington Post Date: 7/10/00 3:25 pm (ET) Except to a Brit, "randy" means the same thing as "horny" does to an american. While we really haven't seen the sexual dark side of the HP universe, I expect that it might include someone like that... Randy From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:26:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3732 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3725] Re: A Question Date: 7/10/00 3:26 pm (ET) POTTER-HEADS is PERFECT!!!!! LOL!!! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3733 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 3:27 pm (ET) hello. pleaaaaase for those of us who are emailing, give just a bit more room in the spoilers. Otherwise, we might still get stuff that we reallly don't want. Thanks for bearing with me! Sorry if I sound uppity! Dee From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:36:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3734 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3718] A Question Date: 7/10/00 3:36 pm (ET) The term Potter Heads crosses my computer a while ago, but it sounds too much like Potheads, I think, which isn't such a good idea. I remember from reading my Mallory Towers books in elementary school (yes, I live in the US, yes, I've read a bunch of Enid Blyton books) that Potty means something very different in the UK than in the states - it means, more or less, a little barmy, a little off, a little nuts. But it probably would detract from our attracting many other US readers if that was what was up on the Yahoo Clubs thingy. From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:41:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:41:00 -0400 Subject: trunctaion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3735 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: trunctaion Reply To: [Yahoo! #3717] Re: Use of spoilers Date: 7/10/00 3:41 pm (ET) ok, i know this is displaying ignorance but my sister is away with the only English dictionary in the house... whats 'truncation'? From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:45:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: spoiler space Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3736 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: spoiler space Reply To: [Yahoo! #3733] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 3:45 pm (ET) oh bugger sorry about that I thought that I'd left enough spce. I hope I didn't spoil it for you! I am sooo sorry! damn damn damn!!!! sorry!!!! God, I can't say how sorry I am! argh!! I AM SOOOOO SORRY IF I SPOILT IT FOR ANYONE!!! from Pol From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 19:47:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3737 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3734] Re: A Question Date: 7/10/00 3:47 pm (ET) potty in UK english has both meanings mad and crazy and a baby's pot From karob_7 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:00:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3738 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 4:00 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Of course we can't know for sure about Dumbledore's look of triumph regarding Voldemort touching Harry, but my guess is that by using Harry's blood in recreating his body, Voldemort somehow unknowingly created a chink in his armor, so to speak. Perhaps some remnants of Lily's love for Harry seeped into him or something. All speculation, of course. I wonder about Hagrid and Madame Maxine, too. Getting them together.... well, that's a frightening thought. No doubt the carefree days at Hogwarts are over... this book didn't have quite the happy ending the previous three had. We're not left thinking that Harry simply has to endure another summer with the Dursleys before going back to a fun year at school. I was really surprised about Mad-Eye Moody turned out to be Crouch's son disguised via Polyjuice Potion. I was too busy suspecting Bagman and Karkaroff (the obvious suspects) to think of such a thing as Polyjuice Potion. Good thing Harry didn't slip up and say, "Oh yeah, Polyjuice Potion! I've used that before," when Dumbledore revealed this. :) Karin From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: Ford Anglia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3739 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Ford Anglia Reply To: [Yahoo! #3729] Ford Anglia Date: 7/10/00 4:01 pm (ET) "On the show 1900 House, shown on PBS, they compared their range to a ford anglia, as opposed to a Rolls Royce. What is a Ford Anglia?" The Ford Anglia was a rather comical car, its most comical form being popular in the 1960s. The 1900 family were basically referring to the antithesis of a Rolls Royce. The Ford Anglia is universally held to be the ugliest car ever made. In CoS the Weasleys' flying car was a turquoise Ford Anglia (hence my ID in case you'd been wondering!) One of the pictures I posted in the Photos section is of the 1960s Ford Anglia which JKR used for her 'surprise' entrance onto Platform 9 3/4 at the King's Cross Station launch of GoF, last Saturday. Hope that explains it! Neil From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:01:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3740 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 4:01 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E I S T H I S E N O U G H ? Question 1: No idea, but I bet that Voldemort made some mistake here and this will play some part in the next books. Question 2: Hagrid & Madame Maxime are probably the envoys to the giants to get them on our side. Note that Cho's boyfriend is dead now, leaving her conveniently free to date Harry in the next book. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:04:00 -0400 Subject: trunctaion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3741 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: trunctaion Reply To: [Yahoo! #3735] trunctaion Date: 7/10/00 4:04 pm (ET) "ok, i know this is displaying ignorance but my sister is away with the only English dictionary in the house... whats 'truncation'? " It means chopping something off part way through. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3742 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3737] Re: A Question Date: 7/10/00 4:14 pm (ET) I wasn't being serious about being called 'Pottys', but we are all potty, i.e. 'mad', about Harry Potter, so that is what I was getting at. It's hard to come up with something that doesn't sound stupid or unhinged. How about 'owls' and 'newts'? Owls for the kids, newts for the adults. That sounds dumb now I've written it... Neil From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:26:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: A Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3743 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: A Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #3718] A Question Date: 7/10/00 4:26 pm (ET) Yes you did spell "Trekie" correctly, I am not one but I have several friends who are...they have been forcing me to do makeup and cotumes for years now. Potter-heads sounds bad Potty- well that's not much better Although everyone recognizes us they still haven't coined a term to classify us, and the sad thing is... neither have we. My boss calls me a Potter-fiend again it doesn't sound good. Potterpheliac- too long hmmmm Potter-person, like pod people with inteligence Life-eaters, the possible opposite of the death-eaters. I'm stuck.... but my person favorite is Potter-person Jess Potter-man, Potter-rama, Potters, From mellypf at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:37:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3744 From: mellypf Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 4:37 pm (ET) spoiler space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree with whoever said that Dumbledore's look of triumph was due to realizing that V was now vulnerable in some way. I also think that Hagrid and Maxime are probably going to try to rally the giants to Dumbledore's side. As far as Snape, I wonder if his task is to convince V that he's still a Death-Eater. He was a spy before, correct? >ok, when harry was telling Dumbledore what happened between him and Voldemort and says that >V was able to touch H now JKR writes about ' for >a fleeting instant harry thought that he saw >something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes' >what the hell wsa that about? >Also, how much are hagrid and Mm. Maxine gonna >get together? >What is Snapes task? I see the first three books as just introductions...here is Sirius, here is Harry etc. book four really started the series part of it. I agree that V. is gonna get more and more powerful as the books go on. Harry's 'carefree' (it's all reletive) school days are over, I now think that Hogwarts is going to be a major centre for people battling against V. let me know what you think From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:41:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: Newcomer says 'allo! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3745 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Newcomer says 'allo! Date: 7/10/00 4:41 pm (ET) 'lo all. Yes, I'm a new to the whole Harry Potter craze. Bought the first book a few weeks back, curious as to what the fuss was all about, and thinking it was a simple children's book. How wrong I was. While the text does seem simplistic, the story's is strong as a whole, and while it's excellent for children, it's complex enough for adults to enjoy. I have the first three now, and plan to get the fourth as soon as payday rolls around again. lol As for what to call Potter fans, well then. Hogwartans? Potterians? Dunno. And on a different note, is anybody else familiar with the DC/Vertigo comic book series, Books of Magic? It's about a character, Tim Hunter, who learns he's destined to be the greatest mage in the world, only he has many travels and troubles to deal with first. It starts out with a group of known mages who arrive in London to seek out a 13 yr. old Tim, who if he had his choice, would rather be skateboarding. He changes his mind later on, and the adventure begins. The series recently wrapped up, though a smaller series based upon it is to begin soon called, Names of Magic. In a lot of ways, one could call Tim Hunter, a charcter created by Sandman author, Neil Gaiman, a pre-Harry Potter, whose story is a bit darker as a whole. In fact, the last issue of Magic includes a nod to Potter, by showing a few panels of Tim holding a case, and reading a familiar letter just before he leaps toward the barrier between Gates 9 and 10 at King's Cross, and disappears through it. From ravenrat at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:42:00 2000 From: ravenrat at yahoo.com (ravenrat) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (& a newbie!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3746 From: ravenrat Subject: Re: A Question (& a newbie!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3742] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/10/00 4:42 pm (ET) After reading the original post, I thought of Harry-maniacs (hmmm, good idea for a filk :-)), but I like the idea of owls and newts (doesn't sound so... um... deranged). BTW, I'm new, and despite lurking for a while (is the traffic always so high in here? There's _so_ many messages! Argh!), I've failed to find out where hpanonymous is. Also, can someone please give me an URL to the mysterious "Paradigm of Uncertainty"? It sounds... interesting. Pwetty pwease? I hope to join in discussions of GoF (if I can summon the courage to post my opinions :-)). Ravenrat. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: Observer review... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3747 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Observer review... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3715] Re: Observer review... Date: 7/10/00 4:43 pm (ET) >>>>The latter says something stupid like "she could have cut out 200 pages quite easily," implying that JKR made the book really huge just to pander to an adult readership (uh? & duh!). <<<< What might SEEM to be padding, or unnecessary details in one book, may turn out to be a vital clue in one of the later books. Yes, it did seem like some parts of the book might have been left out, but only JKR and her editor know the significance of seemingly trifling details. From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:45:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: A few more pictures... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3748 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: A few more pictures... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3702] A few more pictures... Date: 7/10/00 4:45 pm (ET) Here's a suggestion regarding the photos. We all have 25 MB of space, courtesy of Yahoo!, for anything we want. Load your photos there and just link them in the club album. You have to e-mail the link to yourself first so you know what it is, then you can just copy and paste into the club albums. --Rita From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:46:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:46:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3749 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Book 4 Title Date: 7/10/00 4:46 pm (ET) Ok, the dang ol' dang ol' club ain't workin', so I can't read the posts to see if anyone asked this yet. Come to think of it, I haven't been here much lately, so this may have been asked seven times already. Here's the eighth: Oh, WAIT - does this count as a spoiler? I guess, kind of, not really, but maybe. So, ok, spoiler space: F e e F i F o F u m How many people think that Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament WAS the original title, and it was changed after it was leaked so early? After all, all it would take was a few clicks and the "find and replace" feature to turn "Doomspell" into "Triwizard." From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:52:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3750 From: norevoli Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3740] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 4:52 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E I S T H I S E N O U G H ? <<Question 1: No idea, but I bet that Voldemort made some mistake here and this will play some part in the next books.>> When I was reading that particular line I thought perhaps I was being too hopeful... but then when Dumbledore says something along the lines of "well, he's gotten passed that one." it sort of deflated my bubble of hope... <<Question 2: Hagrid & Madame Maxime are probably the envoys to the giants to get them on our side.>> i thought of that too!! <<Note that Cho's boyfriend is dead now, leaving her conveniently free to date Harry in the next book. >> Yes! I thought we'd be over with this Cho/Harry thing by the end of this book but apparently we'll be seeing more it.. and the Krum/Hermione and the Ron/Fleur thing in book 5 atleast... although I must admit that the fact that Hermione scowls and Ron always seems to be a bit put off when he sees her with Krum are very promising...:) norevoli From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 20:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: The new DADA teacher Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3751 From: Danemead Subject: The new DADA teacher Date: 7/10/00 4:53 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R Mad-Eye Moody is an absolutely marvelous character. A brilliant creation by JKR! Since he (the REAL Moody) was a friend of Dumbledore's, can't we assume that Crouch was acting very much like Moody would act, since Dumbledore didn't have any suspicions about him? I hope we get to see the real Mad-Eye in future books -- he's too much fun to waste! From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Twice as Tall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3752 From: Danemead Subject: Twice as Tall Date: 7/10/00 5:00 pm (ET) Hey Nick... I like the photo of you standing next to the train. Now just imagine Hagrid standing next to you... His head would be about level with the top of the train. Whee! PS - Sorry about the spoiler thing in some previous messages -- I don't think I put quite enough space in. Grrrrr... I'll do better, I promise. From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:01:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3753 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Reply To: [Yahoo! #3712] Small Spoiler--Something to Ponder Date: 7/10/00 5:01 pm (ET) Interesting---I didn't pick up on that. I'll just say that Jo doesn't usually insert characters just for the heck of it. Think about Book 1, where Hagrid says he borrowed the motorcycle from Sirius Black. --Rita From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:01:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Little bit of a spoiler! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3754 From: norevoli Subject: Little bit of a spoiler! Date: 7/10/00 5:01 pm (ET) put a little space... SP O I L E R A H E A D S T O P B E F O R E I T S T O O ...LATE! Anyway, I was just wondering about 2 little things!! *ahem* 1) Now we know why Harry has to stay with the Dursley's. Voldemort finally reveals to us that the Dursley's house has been very very very well protected by magic... I suppose if the Dursley's ever found out that their house wasn't "normal" anymore they would be seething! 2) I've become even more curious about what exactly happened on the night that Harry's parents died. Priori Incantatem, as dumbledore states, that it causes the spells in the wand to take a reverse effect. Dumbledore even says that the "Last murders the wand performed " ... came out of voldemort's wand "in reverse order.." So, does this mean that Lily died before James did? It would be the obvious answer since she was the last to come out of the wand therefore making her ... the first to die out of the echoes that came back norevoli From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3755 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3740] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 5:07 pm (ET) Hi: OBLIGATORY SPOILER WARNING S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<Note that Cho's boyfriend is dead now, leaving her conveniently free to date Harry in the next book.>>> I don't forsee that happening. I think that would be a bit awkward to say the least. Her boyfriend died tragically, and Harry at least blames himself in some measure for his death. It's quite possible that others will also think Harry's somewhat responsible -- not that I think people will voice that to him. But, you know there will be some who will think it (if they know the details). Maybe noone much will know the details, but I bet Cho will. And, I think even if she did want to pursue soemthing with Harry, he would feel very strange about it. So, I suspect that the Cho storyline isn't going anywhere. Plus, the whole Harry/Cho crush thing was very overblown. He really never got much beyond thinking she was pretty. He certainly doesn't *know* her (or at least we didn't see any interaction other than the very endearing scene where he asks her to the dance -- that was so typical 14 yr old boy-ish!). I suspect the Hermione/Krum thing will be gone too (as well as the Ron/Fleur thing). These were, after all, the "wrong" people for each of our 3 main characters. Penny From hunydou at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:16:00 2000 From: hunydou at yahoo.com (hunydou) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:16:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3756 From: hunydou Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/10/00 5:16 pm (ET) I just wanted to point out something kind of weird that I noticed in GOF. It's not really a spoiler, but just in case... S P O I L E R S P A C E This may sound kind of stupid, but I noticed in Chapter 22, talking about the Christmas preparations at Hogwarts, one paragraph states: "It was quite something to hear "O Come, All Ye Faithful" sung by an empty helmet that only knew half the words." When I read that, the words of the song raced through my mind and I was a little taken aback at the thought that songs about Christ were being sung at Hogwarts. I am not religious at all, so it certainly didn't bother me. But it pulled me a little out of the story -- in my mind, I couldn't imagine Hogwarts being a Christian school, so I've assumed that it's simply a reference to Muggle worship through the ages by the armored ghost. But it did make me think -- does religion play any part in the Harry Potter series? Does it not exist or is it just taken for granted? And I wonder what Jewish and Muslim kids think reading all the references to Christmas. Of course, Christmas is mentioned in all the books, but is always presented as a secular celebration with traditional English crackers, gifts and Christmas trees that could easily be a pagan festival. The Hogwarts Christmas Feast is more of a Dickensian Christmas than anything else (after all, he was one of the first to link ghosts/magic with Christmas). The books are mum about this subject -- I suppose that the author assumes that most British children reading it are members of the Church of England and relate to Christmas songs in a secular way that has nothing to do with religion. But it's still kind of weird. Hunydou From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:24:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:24:00 -0400 Subject: 'lo all Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3757 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: 'lo all Date: 7/10/00 5:24 pm (ET) Hi there, My name is Lisa and I really enjoy the Harry Potter series. I joined your club today. I was so relieved to find a place for adults who like Harry. I just started reading the 4th book (as we all have) :) I am American, and am 21. I am looking forward to some great chats about the series, since I am a big fan. I have always loved magic so this book suits me. :) Talk to everyone later, Lisa From mellypf at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:25:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:25:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3758 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Book 4 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #3749] Book 4 Title Date: 7/10/00 5:25 pm (ET) >Oh, WAIT - does this count as a spoiler? I >guess, kind of, not really, but maybe. So, ok, >spoiler space: F e e F i F o F u m >How many people think that Harry Potter and the >Doomspell Tournament WAS the original title, and >it was changed after it was leaked so early? >After all, all it would take was a few clicks >and the "find and replace" feature to >turn "Doomspell" into "Triwizard." Hmmm, interesting point. Makes sense, and I think it could have happened that way. Melissa F From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:30:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: Little bit of a spoiler! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3759 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Little bit of a spoiler! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3754] Little bit of a spoiler! Date: 7/10/00 5:30 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Good point I didn't notice that the first time through. I seriosly doubt thats an error either, probably very significant. I'm going to re-check that one. Rio From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:34:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:34:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3760 From: norevoli Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3678] SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art?? Date: 7/10/00 5:34 pm (ET) In response to a SPOILER!!! S P O I L E R W A R N I N G No, really! Some big ones! Ok, then.... <<Confession-I liked how it was made obvious that Dumbledore really does trust Snape. And how Snape and Sirius had to shake hands at the end...>> Uh... I'd have to disagree... First Dumbledore clearly says that "it is time for two of our number to recognise each other for what they are" and "I will settle, in the short term, for a lack of open hostility. You will shake hands. You are on the same side now." No where in that part of the book is there really and shown sign that Dumbledore doesn't trust Snape. In fact, IMO, he would trust him with his life. The shake of hands was merely to show that Sirius and Snape would try to put their pasts behind them in light of the serious circumstances. Still, I have to admit i was a little angry that Snape had actually been a deatheater, I thought he was just an obvious scape goat since he has such a sour personality. norevoli From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:37:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:37:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3761 From: sakerio Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3744] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 5:37 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E It could be a weakness that has been realized, but I think the fact that the wands are both linked thru Fawkes is going to prove important. Somehow I think Dumbledore is preparing Harry for a role that was once set aside for Voldemort(who obviously failed). Just a theory here. Snape's role in things should prove quite interesting as well, he could still be playing the spy bit. Rio From sakerio at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 21:42:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:42:00 -0400 Subject: Apologies for the spoiler thing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3762 From: sakerio Subject: Apologies for the spoiler thing Date: 7/10/00 5:42 pm (ET) Sorry I thought I was putting enough space here but I'm not used to this. I tend to avoid things that give away surprise endings etc..but I will try to get it right. Rio From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 23:59:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3763 From: triner2001 Subject: The Movie Date: 7/10/00 7:59 pm (ET) Entertainment Tonight had a blurb about the upcoming film today. Nothing really new, but they did mention that both Haley Joel Osment (The Sixth Sense) and Frankie Muniz (Malcolm in the Middle) had been mentioned for Harry. But JKR was wanting an unknown (so do I) for the part and she was still tweaking the script and filming was slated for later this fall. And Maggie Smith and Robbie Coltrane were signed on (at least it sounded that way to me) for "supporting roles." Just some information to pass along. Trina From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 00:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:09:00 -0400 Subject: Trekkers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3764 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Trekkers.... Date: 7/10/00 8:09 pm (ET) A few years back I went to convention here in Ohio (Rockside Drive, NE Ohio) to the Star Trek convention. I was informed the first time that I used the term trekkie that it was incorrect, and proper star trek fans call themselves "trekkers". This isn't saying this is the opinion of all trekkers, but I was told this by quite a few members of the local starship, and I find it believable. The term trekkie is meant to be quite deragatory, an insult. Quote one of them: "The wannabes". *Shrugging. It's a mindset that I understand, but can never emulate. Except, grinning, for Harry Potter! Keep up the naming, I am enjoying it! The one sounds best, though...Potterperson! LOL! Dee From dirranecor at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 00:25:00 2000 From: dirranecor at yahoo.com (dirranecor) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:25:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3765 From: dirranecor Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #11] Re: Movie Date: 7/10/00 8:25 pm (ET) When I thought about the movie I didn't even think about the paintings! So many possibilities! Wow. That come out so great. I hope they don't neglect them in the movie. C From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 00:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3766 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #3765] Re: Movie Date: 7/10/00 8:43 pm (ET) "When I thought about the movie I didn't even think about the paintings!" Wow are you really answering message 11? That was more than 3,500 posts ago! Neil From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 00:43:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's on the cover of NEWSWEEK in US Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3767 From: heiditandy Subject: Harry's on the cover of NEWSWEEK in US Date: 7/10/00 8:43 pm (ET) And you can see the story here http://www.msnbc.com/news/NW-front_Front.asp and http://www.msnbc.com/news/430684.asp From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 00:59:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:59:00 -0400 Subject: LINK Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3768 From: Danemead Subject: LINK Date: 7/10/00 8:59 pm (ET) Here's a good source for new reviews of HP IV (I've added it to the links section also) http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Entertainment/Harry_Potter/ You can tell which reviewers were ASSIGNED to read Harry Potter, and which ones WANTED to review. The assignees all complain that the book is padded with unnecessary stuff. LOL! When I can read a 750 page book in less than a day, and want to start right back over at the beginning, I would say that the so-called "padding" was well worth the time spent. From echomyst at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 01:17:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Some questions about HP IV... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3769 From: echomyst Subject: Some questions about HP IV... Date: 7/10/00 9:17 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Hi everyone! I've *finally* finished GoF, but I think I'd better reread it in case I missed something! Meanwhile, can anyone please help me out with these: 1) Does Neville know more things about Voldemort and his followers than he's telling? (He knew about the cruciatus curse and volunteered to talk about it in class, yet he's usually so quiet) 2) Why did the so-called Moody (young Barty Crouch) teach his classes the 3 illegal spells (imperio, cruciatus, avada kedavra) when he knew that they would actually help Harry in his duel with Voldemort? 3) Is it just me, or there's a typo on p.503 in the sentence,"Dumbledore, come!...Don't you think you might be prejediced in her favour because of Hagrid?..." (in my copy, it says that *Crouch* said that angrily, but is it supposed to be Cornelius Fudge instead?) 4) does anyone know what the school motto means? "draco dormiens nunquam titillandus"? Something about a sleeping dragon? -Emily- From echomyst at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 01:21:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:21:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3770 From: echomyst Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3750] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 9:21 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>and the Krum/Hermione and the Ron/Fleur thing in book 5 at least... Ron/Fleur? In book 5, perhaps it might be a Fleur after Harry, Harry after Cho thing... -Emily- From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 02:32:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:32:00 -0400 Subject: Perhaps another mistake by V Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3771 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Perhaps another mistake by V Date: 7/10/00 10:32 pm (ET) Had another thought about this> Spoiler Space spoiler space spoiler space just plain space While Harry's blood may prove to be a key item in the future books, I also think that wormtails hand may also prove a vital key. Wormtail sure didn't help Harry in this book, but I think that Wormtail is a opportunist and won't risk anything unless he feels that he will be on the winning side. I think that V is done with him and we may find him getting zapped soon, even before he can repay Harry.. But the Hand... may still prove to be faithful to helping Harry... Just some rambling thoughs.. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 02:56:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: Ford Anglia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3772 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: Ford Anglia Reply To: [Yahoo! #3739] Re: Ford Anglia Date: 7/10/00 10:56 pm (ET) I'd like to point out, for anyone interested, that the Anglia was indeed imported to America, and in the early '60s was the second-best selling imported sedan in the U.S. (behind the VW Beetle). And anyone who says it's the ugliest car ever has never seen a Pontiac Aztek :) From Beatrice25 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 02:59:00 2000 From: Beatrice25 at yahoo.com (Beatrice25) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: MOVIE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3773 From: Beatrice25 Subject: MOVIE Date: 7/10/00 10:59 pm (ET) i think chris columbus is a bad choice as a director. i just spent an excruciating hour or so watching bicentennial man..... too bad spielberg didn't stick with the project. i think tim burton would have been an excellent choice. i am dreading this movie... i hope it isn't disappointing like many books-turned-movies. but, tim roth should be great as snape. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:02:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3774 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3742] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/10/00 11:02 pm (ET) I don't know about the kids, but in msg. #2 I suggested "Old Hogwarts" (which can also be used in the books for alumni of the school, if JKR wants it) From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:24:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Trekkers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3775 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Trekkers.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3764] Trekkers.... Date: 7/10/00 11:24 pm (ET) >>> A few years back I went to convention here in Ohio (Rockside Drive, NE Ohio) to the Star Trek convention. I was informed the first time that I used the term trekkie that it was incorrect, and proper star trek fans call themselves "trekkers". >>> As a devoted Trekker, I can assure you that this is true. The difference is explained by Kate Mulgrew (aka Captain Janeway on Star Trek: Voyager) in the documentary "Trekkies." She says that "Trekkies" is a name for the more lukewarm fans -- i.e., they watch the show, but that's about it. "Trekkers," on the other hand, watch the show, go to every convention they can possibly get to, write fanfiction, write fan mail to the actors and actresses, join web clubs, etc. :) Just thought I'd clarify... :) -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:29:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: PoU Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3776 From: pt4ever Subject: PoU Date: 7/10/00 11:29 pm (ET) Someone requested a link to the H/H fic "Paradigm of Uncertainty" -- I couldn't find the message, but here's what you do: Just go to www.fanfiction.net and type in "Paradigm of Uncertainty" in the search bar (located at the top right of the site). Make sure the pull-down menu to the left is on "Title." If you do this, you'll get all 11 chapters. The author's name, BTW, is Lori. -- JoAnna From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:31:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Some questions about HP IV... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3777 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Some questions about HP IV... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3769] Some questions about HP IV... Date: 7/10/00 11:31 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E O K A Y ? Regarding the "typo": In my book, US Scholastic, it says "Dumbledore", not "Crouch" School motto is: Never tickle a sleeping dragon Don't ask me how I know that. I just do. My own question: When Bill and Mrs W come to see Harry prior to Task 3, Mrs W regales them with tale of the groundskeeper before Hagrid, a man named Ogg. Hagrid has been on campus ever since he was expelled 52 years ago, so wouldn't he possibly have been grounds keeper when the Weasley parents were students? I'm running on the assumption that the elder Weasleys are somewhere in their mid-late 40's due to the fact they have children older than 18. Hagrid is around 64 years old (13 when kicked out, CoS opened again 50 years later, that was 2 years ago) so he was most likely on the grounds working when Molly & Arthur were students. Any takers? Trina From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:40:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:40:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3778 From: norevoli Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3770] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/10/00 11:40 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>>and the Krum/Hermione and the Ron/Fleur thing in book 5 at least... <<<Ron/Fleur? In book 5, perhaps it might be a Fleur after Harry, Harry after Cho thing...>>>> you really think so? I always took Fleur's feelings for Harry as one of gratitude for saving her sister, more on the grounds new found respect... but then that's just me... From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:49:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3779 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: The Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #3763] The Movie Date: 7/10/00 11:49 pm (ET) I doubt either one of those boys will get it...they want an all British cast. At least, that's what Newsweek told me... Tori From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 03:53:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3780 From: norevoli Subject: Book 4 Date: 7/10/00 11:53 pm (ET) I was wondering if anyone with a scanner could perhaps scan the American version of the Goblet of fire... I'm curious to see what the back art looks like and I would like a better look at the fron cover... Thanx norevoli From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:04:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:04:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3781 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 12:04 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e > ps. grrrrrrr @ Cho Why are you g'rrring at Cho? She was perfectly pleasant to Harry when he asked her to be his date, even tho' she was already going to the dance with her regular boyfriend (a relationship that Harry had not even noticed). Why are you g'rrring at Cho? A very nice boy to whom she was sincerely affectionate has just *died* and she cried about it. Tangentially, in Task 2, Viktor showed that Hermione is more important to him than is his mother or his brother or his childhood friend or his Quidditch coach. For an 18 year old boy who is a world famous athlete (compare the scene of Bagman's trial!!!) to feel that way about a 14 year old know-it-all .... well, there is either something very wrong or something very right with him. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:09:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: trunctaion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3782 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: trunctaion Reply To: [Yahoo! #3735] trunctaion Date: 7/11/00 12:09 am (ET) > ok, i know this is displaying ignorance but my sister is away with the only English dictionary in the house... whats 'truncation'? http://www.refdesk.com/index.html http://www.ci.beverly-hills.ca.us/cbh-doc/cityhall/library/library.htm#sec0018 One or both of those URLs should lead you to a dictonary. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:16:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3783 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Book 4 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #3749] Book 4 Title Date: 7/11/00 12:16 am (ET) F e e F i F o F u m > How many people think that Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament WAS the original title, and it was changed after it was leaked so early? Yes, and Mad-Eye Moody WAS formerly named Davey Gudgeon (help! does anyone remember any mention of Davey Gudgeon in the first three?) and "Rita" was formerly named Icicle. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3784 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3750] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 12:21 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e F e e F i F o F u m > but apparently we'll be seeing more o fit.. and the Krum/Hermione and the Ron/Fleur thing in book 5 atleast... As Krum turned out to be such a nice guy despite his name and accent, I expect him to die next book. Fleur is FOUR YEARS older than Ron. For teen-agers, that's kind of iffy even when the boy is the older one, but surely cannot work out when the girl is the older one. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:35:00 -0400 Subject: Some questions about HP IV... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3785 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Some questions about HP IV... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3777] Re: Some questions about HP IV... Date: 7/11/00 12:35 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e s p o i l e r s p a c e >My own question: When Bill and Mrs W come to see Harry prior to Task 3, Mrs W regales them with tale of the groundskeeper before Hagrid, a man named Ogg. (snip) [Hagrid] was most likely on the grounds working when Molly & Arthur were students. I noticed that, too. From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:36:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: Love (was: book 4 question..so spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3786 From: davehoz Subject: Love (was: book 4 question..so spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3740] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 12:36 am (ET) SPOILERS!!!! * * * * * * * * * * >Note that Cho's boyfriend is dead now, leaving her >conveniently free to date Harry in the next book. I don't understand what JKR meant by "everyone dates the wrong person". There still seems a good chance that Harry & Cho will get together, and there's nothing to suggest that Hermione's and Viktor's relationship won't thrive. Fleur never seemed to get over her coldness to Ron, but then I don't think Ron was ever really partial to her -- He seemed too busy being jealous of Viktor. (I think he -- Ron, I mean -- really likes Hermione.) But still there are a lot of permutations and combinations now to contemplate regarding possible parings of Harry, Ron, Hermione, Viktor, Fleur, and Cho. But where does this leave poor Ginny? Yet again, her character remains undeveloped. Her hopes for snagging Harry seem to be fading fast... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:44:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3787 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3761] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 12:44 am (ET) one of the following spoilers is major ! S P O I L E R S P A C E > Somehow I think Dumbledore is preparing Harry for a role that was once set aside for Voldemort(who obviously failed). A role that involved being an orphan raised in unloving surroundings? > Snape's role in things should prove quite interesting as well, he could still be playing the spy bit. Snape had better not be planning to spy on the Death Eaters for the League Against Voldemort as before: Voldemort told his followers in the graveyard of three who were missing: One was too big a coward to come back to Death or switch over to Life: that was Karkaroff altho' I suspected Bagman. One was loyally working for Voldemort at Hogwart's: that was Crouch Jr, altho' I suspected Karkaroff. One had gone permanently to the other side and "he will be killed"; that was Snape. So Voldemort knows Snape is his enemy. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:49:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3788 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3787] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 12:49 am (ET) the following spoiler is not so much major as possibly religiously offensive --- sorry! no offense intended! S P O I L E R S P A C E > Voldemort told his followers in the graveyard Did anyone count how many Death Eater stood in a circle around Voldemort in the graveyard? Was it twelve? The idea of twelve loyal Death Eaters attending Voldemort as he promises them immortality (which he has already gotten for himself) if only they have complete loyalty to him sounds indeed like a truly Satanic parody of Christ and his twelve apostles. From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 04:53:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3789 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3742] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 12:53 am (ET) Pottamanics Pottaddicts PotterRooters PotterFolk Pottatics Pottaticians Pottarians Pottites PotterBuffs PotterPuffs (OK...I'm sleepy) PotterWatchers Pottalysts or Pottanalysts(That's my choice!) Better get back to "the book"! From sage016 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 06:02:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3790 From: sage016 Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3789] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 2:02 am (ET) well why not muggles? considering thats what we are. From tragus at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 06:13:00 2000 From: tragus at yahoo.com (tragus) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:13:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3791 From: tragus Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/11/00 2:13 am (ET) I was reading the latest Harry Potter book when I found that the book had been bound without pages 531 to 562 ... the question is does this make the book valuable because it is a misprint (like a stamp or money) .. or do I need to just exchange it at the bookstore for a book with all of the pages??? From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 06:25:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:25:00 -0400 Subject: Beauxbatons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3792 From: Danemead Subject: Beauxbatons Date: 7/11/00 2:25 am (ET) French speakers -- is it Boh-batoh or Boze-batoh? I remember that 'eaux' is sometimes pronounced with a 'z' sound and sometimes it is not, but I don't remember the rules. I also don't know how to make a phonetic rendition of the French 'batons' except to put 'batoh' - I know that it ISN'T 'batonz'. Danemead (still laughing about 'Hermy-own-ninny'). From Beatrice25 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 06:36:00 2000 From: Beatrice25 at yahoo.com (Beatrice25) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:36:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3793 From: Beatrice25 Subject: Re: The Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #3779] Re: The Movie Date: 7/11/00 2:36 am (ET) oh, i wasn't talking about the cast. i was talking about the director, which is chris columbus, an american. tim roth is british. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 06:56:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:56:00 -0400 Subject: Evil Overlords Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3794 From: Danemead Subject: Evil Overlords Date: 7/11/00 2:56 am (ET) Voldemort and his henchmen keep forgetting the Basic Rules For Evil Overlords, including: Rule #6. I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them. Rule #7. When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No." http://minievil.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 07:28:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:28:00 -0400 Subject: Beauxbatons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3795 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Beauxbatons Reply To: [Yahoo! #3792] Beauxbatons Date: 7/11/00 3:28 am (ET) > French speakers -- is it Boh-batoh or Boze-batoh? I remember that 'eaux' is sometimes pronounced with a 'z' sound and sometimes it is not, but I don't remember the rules. This is closer to Boh than Boze -- the X, which is really an 's', is pronounced when the next syllable starts with a vowel as in Beaux Arts (bozart). > I also don't know how to make a phonetic rendition of the French 'batons' except to put 'batoh' - I know that it ISN'T 'batonz'. Maybe bah-taww ? The 'on' is pronounced as what I have heard called a nasalized O. If the next word starts with a vowel, it will get the S stuck on front of it. La belle de Beauxbatons, ou est-elle? La belle duh Bohbahtaww, soo ay tell? From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 08:50:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:50:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3796 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3791] Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/11/00 4:50 am (ET) Firstly... what version of the book are you reading. When talking about print errors, it is important to identify the book - ie. Publisher, Printing Number. The UK book First Edition has an error on page 150. Missing a word. I've not checked the second printing yet... maybe it will have the same error. Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 09:51:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:51:00 -0400 Subject: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3797 From: hert0661 Subject: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 5:51 am (ET) Spoiler below S P O I L E R S P A C E <snip> " > Snape's role in things should prove quite interesting as well, he could still be playing the spy bit. Snape had better not be planning to spy on the Death Eaters for the League Against Voldemort as before: Voldemort told his followers in the graveyard of three who were missing: One was too big a coward to come back to Death or switch over to Life: that was Karkaroff altho' I suspected Bagman. One was loyally working for Voldemort at Hogwart's: that was Crouch Jr, altho' I suspected Karkaroff. One had gone permanently to the other side and "he will be killed"; that was Snape. So Voldemort knows Snape is his enemy. " This is what we are meant to think by what we read but there is a case for Snape being hte coward. He did not come to Voldemort immediately so he could be being viewed as a coward as he did not get straight away from Hogwarts. We were told that Karkaroff bought his freedom by putting others inside. This would make him the one Voldemort thinks will never be going back to his side. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 11:53:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:53:00 -0400 Subject: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3798 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3797] Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 7:53 am (ET) Spoiler below - You have been warned. So there follows a short spoiler space. S P O I L E R S P A C E Death Eaters. There were about 30 of them in the graveyard. I think it is Harry that mentions something about there being a 30 to 1 ratio. Are the Death Eaters like the Beefeaters? Interestingly there must ahve been about 36 in total as we are told of a couple in Azkaban and about the three that are not there. Simon From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 13:05:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:05:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3799 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3789] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 9:05 am (ET) I think that I have found it... it is from our newest convert, my husband who hasn't read a book since he was forced to in highschool. Potter-holics. He feels though that this would be inapporpriate for children due to the negative connation of the suffix holic, nonetheless I would like to put this name in to the hat! Jess From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 13:25:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:25:00 -0400 Subject: MOVIE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3800 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: MOVIE Reply To: [Yahoo! #3773] MOVIE Date: 7/11/00 9:25 am (ET) I thought that Bicentennial Man was fabulous however mis-marketed... It appeared to be something light heart and childish and was infact very deep and a wonderful discussion on American Society. Asimov is not one that should be translated for children, or it turns out a little well Bicentennialman. Tim Roth will be fabulous I only wish that my Physics teacher from highschool didn't look like Humpty-dumpty he would have made a fabulous Dumbledore (he used to write on the white board back wards so the 2 dimentional people that lived in the walls could read his notes, a little nuts but absolutely brilliant) I disagree with the Burton choice depending on the story that was told if it was based more on 4 and was darker than yes, he would be my first choice. If the story is based on something earlier then Columbus will be great. He's cute and Kid friendly while Burton did make Creepy Hollow, excuse me Sleepy Hollow, which was an great movie with minor plotting exceptions. I refuse to let the movie go the way of many others! I will fight them! My ticket and popcorn money will stand up for Pure Potterness! But I am tired and could be wrong. Jess From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 13:58:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:58:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3801 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #3766] Re: Movie Date: 7/11/00 9:58 am (ET) OOO paintings... an untapped resource for extras... I think that they should let some of the fans in on this... not necassarily as the entrance keepers but as the Knuts Knight and Violet the witch... Perhaps a contest to let one of us in? Like a drawing or getting the answer to some insignificant piece of trivia correct... That would just ROCK MY WORLD. Could you imagine that, I'm not only a fan but a part of Potter history! I so want in. Jess From aquilany at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:27:00 2000 From: aquilany at yahoo.com (aquilany) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:27:00 -0400 Subject: Official Hogwarts School Online Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3802 From: aquilany Subject: Official Hogwarts School Online Date: 7/11/00 10:27 am (ET) Official Hogwarts School Online needs more members We welcome all Harry Potter fans to join us. Our club is new and under development, it has over 30 Harry Potter pics you'll love. We need you support. Thank you all From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:30:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Lupin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3803 From: sigma94 Subject: Casting: Lupin Reply To: [Yahoo! #14] Re: Casting: Dumbledore Date: 7/11/00 10:30 am (ET) I can see Jude Law as Professor Lupin!!!!! From naraht at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:39:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3804 From: naraht Subject: Re: Religion in Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #3756] Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/11/00 10:39 am (ET) S P O I L E R And there is a reference in Book 4 to something happening after Easter. What she has done is more or less *ignore* the religion question. Students at Hogwarts celebrate the same way (more or less) as they do at a non-religious school. Part of the problem is that religion would be an entirely difference kettle of fish to divide the characters. Hermione, having come from a family of dentists is certainly likely to still celebrate holidays the way that the muggles do, but on the other hand, if religion were dealt with, Ron & Draco would go to the same church. (Another topic that gets *completely* ignored is what does schooling look like for those below age 11 who are from non-muggle families. (Where was Ginny during HP Yr. 1) From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:40:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:40:00 -0400 Subject: Beauxbatons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3805 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Beauxbatons Reply To: [Yahoo! #3795] Re: Beauxbatons Date: 7/11/00 10:40 am (ET) <<This is closer to Boh than Boze -- the X, which is really an 's', is pronounced when the next syllable starts with a vowel as in Beaux Arts (bozart).>> yup.. i'd have to agree! > I also don't know how to make a phonetic rendition of the French 'batons' except to put 'batoh' - I know that it ISN'T 'batonz'. <<Maybe bah-taww ? The 'on' is pronounced as what I have heard called a nasalized O. If the next word starts with a vowel, it will get the S stuck on front of it. La belle de Beauxbatons, ou est-elle? La belle duh Bohbahtaww, soo ay tell? >> Hmm... well I it might sound similar to that like there they don't even pronounce the "n" at the end but they actually do. What happens with "n" is they have a elongated "n" like "une" where you stretch the n out so that no one can miss it or you have the "n" like in "un" where it is soooo short people tend to miss the sound sometimes... In this case it's the very short "n" but what happens to the ending of "baton" is that at the very very end it almost sounds like the "uh" sound ...which if listened to carefully would be your very shortened "n" Bo (as in Bo Jackson 'bo knows baseball'... sorry.) Ba Taw-uh well whatever... From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:48:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:48:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3806 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting: Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #20] Re: Casting: Dumbledore Date: 7/11/00 10:48 am (ET) Bob Hoskins can be Peeves!LOL From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 14:48:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:48:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Dumbledore Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3807 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting: Dumbledore Reply To: [Yahoo! #21] Re: Casting: Dumbledore Date: 7/11/00 10:48 am (ET) No I agree with the person who says to cast Jeremy Irons as Snape!!! EVIL!! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:34:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3808 From: hert0661 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Date: 7/11/00 11:34 am (ET) The following contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E This theory is based on what I can remember of the Death Eaters in book 4, I have not got the book in front of me so I cannot check! When Voldemort is talking to the Death Eaters he calls them all by their surnames. Does this leave us with the possibility that they are in fact the female members of the families and not the males? Simon From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:37:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: Reviews, consolidated Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3809 From: heiditandy Subject: Reviews, consolidated Date: 7/11/00 11:37 am (ET) On Slate's website, they consolidate a lot of reviews at http://slate.msn.com/SummaryJudgment/00-07-07/SummaryJudgment.asp From sirus_black2 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:39:00 2000 From: sirus_black2 at yahoo.com (sirus_black2) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: What is with Professor Moody? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3810 From: sirus_black2 Subject: What is with Professor Moody? Date: 7/11/00 11:39 am (ET) I really like the character pro. Moody so far in the Goblet of fire..He stands up for HArr and protects him from the likes of Draco malfoy. He seem sto alaways be following just behind Harry in the Halls like he's on a constant shift of protecting him from you know who. I would appreciate it if You would join my Harry Potter club to get it started and get some members! visit me at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/sirusblackshideaway From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:40:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Potter Watchers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3811 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Potter Watchers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3789] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 11:40 am (ET) I REALLY like PotterWatchers...has a mystical air about it. I also like PotterPuffs...but that's just me, probably. Tori From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:41:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Message to the founder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3812 From: sakerio Subject: Message to the founder Date: 7/11/00 11:41 am (ET) I'm not exactly sure of who is "officially" running the show here, But I have a couple of q's. First there has been talk of a formal discussion, is this happening, if so when and how? Second what is the official lenghth of time on the "spoilerspace" deal? Third club chats, do we have them, if so could someone post the times and days, maybe on the front page? Sounds like a lot of whining, but I do enjoy the club. It's just a little hard to keep up with at times, and responding to other's posts is almost too much trouble. I was hoping with an adult membership to find a structured envrionment to follow. Anyway let me know.... Rio From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:46:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:46:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3813 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3790] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 11:46 am (ET) Well...we *are* muggles...but we are also special. Think about it...most of the muggle world doesn't know Harry and such even exists, but we do. Also, would you really want to be in the same group as the Dursley's? Magickal in my own way, Tori From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3814 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Book 4 spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3808] Book 4 spoilers Date: 7/11/00 11:48 am (ET) The following contains spoilers for book 4 and also some comments about book 2 and 3. S P O I L E R S P A C E In responce to the commetnns asking about which side Fudge is on. If Fudge was on Voldermort's side then he would have been mopre likely to agree when Dumbledore said this and start to take some action about it. In doing this he could oversee what was going on and slow it down in such a way that he helped Voldemort succeed. In ignoring it he has prompted Dumbledore to act and do his own thing. Something that is a lot worse than him knowing what was going on. He to me just seems like a person who is after peace and quiet. I would guess he was appointed to his job after Voldemort lost his powers and does not want to think about the possibility that he may have to act to stop him. Simon From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:49:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:49:00 -0400 Subject: What is with Professor Moody? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3815 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: What is with Professor Moody? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3810] What is with Professor Moody? Date: 7/11/00 11:49 am (ET) *sadistic chuckle... Not saying a a word* From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:57:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: Message to the founder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3816 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Message to the founder Reply To: [Yahoo! #3812] Message to the founder Date: 7/11/00 11:57 am (ET) Penny (plinsenmayer) is the clubs founder. "First there has been talk of a formal discussion, is this happening, if so when and how?" We, I think, have agreed to start this in a couple of weeks time. This is to give most people a chance to read book 4 at least once. "Second what is the official lenghth of time on the "spoilerspace" deal?" These should remain for a fair while but it may have to be agreed that after a few months that we drop them. Please take care when writing a spoiler space to include a few lines of waffle (irrelevant text) at the beginning of the message. If this is not done then the preview of recent messages gives away the first so many characters of the post and so can show some of the supposed to be hidden message. "club chats" One of these happens on Sunday. Mentioned in the club calendar. This starts at around 2pm Eastern standard time (7pm UK time) and generally goes on for a few hours with various people stopping in to say hi. I do not know if any other chats happen. Simon From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:57:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3817 From: heiditandy Subject: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Date: 7/11/00 11:57 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R T H O S E W H O N E E D I T The question is - what do they do with the soul, after they suck it out? The reason behind this question? If the Dementors are potential Voldemort-supporters, and if one of the Dementors sucked out Barty's soul, well, what did that Dementor do with it, and where did Barty go after having his soul sucked out? If he is still walking around, and the Dementor is carrying around his soul (i.e. if they don't digest them or something) then isn't it possible that said soul might be returned to Bad Barty later in the series? Hope not! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:58:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3818 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3813] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 11:58 am (ET) well, then, how about Magical Muggles? I think it's probably too long to catch on well, though. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:03:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:03:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3819 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #102] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 12:03 pm (ET) "I've often thought it would be fun to cast all the Slytheriens as Americans and keep the rest of the characters British" GREAT IDEA!!!!!! From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3820 From: Danemead Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 12:09 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E LA DEE DAAA S P O I L E R S P A C E This question really belongs somewhere during Week 37 of our discussion, but I'm gonna ask it now anyhow: Do you think Draco will be returning to Hogwarts next year? His father was there in the graveyard and acknowledged by Voldemort in front of Harry. Harry escaped, so Malfoy knows that he and all the others whose names were spoken by Voldemort will be made known to Dumbledore and the rest of the wizarding community. I can't see Lucius sending his only son back into the care of the enemy, even for purposes of mayhem or espionage against the enemies of Voldemort. I think we may see a mighty empty Slytherin table at the opening feast next year. Of course, not all Slytherins are Voldemort supporters, but we know for sure about Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, at least. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (what to call HP fans) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3821 From: Danemead Subject: Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3818] Re: A Question (what to call HP fans) Date: 7/11/00 12:12 pm (ET) After trying to keep up with all the posts this month, I'm ready to declare myself a card-carrying member of "The Harried Ones". From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3822 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #3817] Question about Dementors- SPOILER Date: 7/11/00 12:14 pm (ET) Maybe they consume it like food. Hmmmm.... wonder what Dementor poop looks like? From mellypf at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:19:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3823 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Book 4 spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3814] Re: Book 4 spoilers Date: 7/11/00 12:19 pm (ET) "The following contains spoilers for book 4 and also some comments about book 2 and 3. S P O I L E R S P A C E In responce to the commetnns asking about which side Fudge is on. If Fudge was on Voldermort's side then he would have been mopre likely to agree when Dumbledore said this and start to take some action about it. In doing this he could oversee what was going on and slow it down in such a way that he helped Voldemort succeed. In ignoring it he has prompted Dumbledore to act and do his own thing. Something that is a lot worse than him knowing what was going on. He to me just seems like a person who is after peace and quiet. I would guess he was appointed to his job after Voldemort lost his powers and does not want to think about the possibility that he may have to act to stop him. Simon " That's a good point and one that I hadn't thought of. When I read (and re-read) the ending, I was kind of up in air as to whether Fudge was possibly an "agent" of Voldemort's. Obviously we won't know for sure until at least Book 5 or later, but that is a valid point. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:34:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:34:00 -0400 Subject: Some questions about HP IV... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3824 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Some questions about HP IV... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3777] Re: Some questions about HP IV... Date: 7/11/00 12:34 pm (ET) >>>My own question: When Bill and Mrs W come to see Harry prior to Task 3, Mrs W regales them with tale of the groundskeeper before Hagrid, a man named Ogg. Hagrid has been on campus ever since he was expelled 52 years ago, so wouldn't he possibly have been grounds keeper when the Weasley parents were students? I'm running on the assumption that the elder Weasleys are somewhere in their mid-late 40's due to the fact they have children older than 18. Hagrid is around 64 years old (13 when kicked out, CoS opened again 50 years later, that was 2 years ago) so he was most likely on the grounds working when Molly & Arthur were students. Any takers? I thought of this too. My feeling is that Hagrid was actually ASSISTANT gamekeeper for a while, after all he was only 14 years old when he was expelled from Hogwarts. He was probably Oggs assistant when the Weasleys attended Hogwarts, which has to have been at least 25 years before Book 4. From shellymoos at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:38:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: new member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3825 From: shellymoos Subject: new member Date: 7/11/00 12:38 pm (ET) Hi all, I just joined this club today. I was looking for a place with other adults to talk about these wonderful books. I am a 35 year old mother of three who are 6, 7 and 8. Just in this last week I read the first book and I must say that I was instantly captivated. I am almost done with 2 and cant wait till later this week when I can get 3 and 4. I have always been a huge reader and my 8 year old is turning out to be the same way. I know she will enjoy these books as much as I have. I absolutely lovee the fact that there is a character out there that is getting our children to read more instead of just playing video games and watching cartoons. And the fact that it is geared to such a large audience makes me even happier. It's something I can enjoy too. Do we have certain chat times here or anything like that? It would be something I would definatley like to participate in. Later Shelly From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:44:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3826 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book 4 spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3823] Re: Book 4 spoilers Date: 7/11/00 12:44 pm (ET) Hello everyone! How are you today. I am fine. So is my cat. I bought the book today as a gift for my boss' birthday. Aren't I a good employee? Okay, enough nonsensical ramblings. S P O I L E R S P A C E Simon said (regarding Fudge): "He to me just seems like a person who is after peace and quiet. I would guess he was appointed to his job after Voldemort lost his powers and does not want to think about the possibility that he may have to act to stop him." I agree. The impression I got of Fudge is a person who is okay at his job when nothing is in the balance and there is no pressure. But now that the peace is being disrupted, he isn't capable of handling it, emotionally or professionally, and so he is in complete denial. Because now he's REALLY going to have to do his job. voicelady From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:46:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:46:00 -0400 Subject: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3827 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3505] Re: Head of Hufflepuff & Ravenclaw? Date: 7/11/00 12:46 pm (ET) It what book was Sprout identified as head of Hufflepuff? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:47:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3828 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3820] Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 12:47 pm (ET) >>>Do you think Draco will be returning to Hogwarts next year? His father was there in the graveyard and acknowledged by Voldemort in front of Harry. Harry escaped, so Malfoy knows that he and all the others whose names were spoken by Voldemort will be made known to Dumbledore and the rest of the wizarding community. Dumbledore ALREADY knows that Malfoy is a supporter of Voldemort. In Book 2, Malfoy puts Tom Riddles diary in Ginny Weasleys cauldron. It is pretty clear at that point what Malfoy is, although there is no concrete evidence that Dumbledore could bring to the ministry. Even at the end of Book 4, there is no concrete evidence, only Harrys word. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:48:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3829 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3828] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 12:48 pm (ET) Sorry about forgetting the Spoiler Space in the last post, but seriously, folks, if you havent read Book 4 yet you probably shouldnt be reading this newsgroup. From salter15 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:54:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: New to the Club Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3830 From: salter15 Subject: New to the Club Date: 7/11/00 12:54 pm (ET) Hi all, I am a 25 year old mother of 3, well actually 2 of them are my step kids, they are 12 and 9 and they have me hooked on Harry Potter. I haven't had a chance to pick up the 4th book yet but I am looking forward to discussing all the books with you. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:57:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3831 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3829] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 12:57 pm (ET) Joywitch, I say this gently. I am a woman of limited means. To go out and buy book four takes funds that aren't currently in my account, no matter how desparately I want to own it. This week I am getting a check for school, and that will take care of my desires. Does that mean that no one wants me here any longer since I haven't read any HP books at all? That I don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to this discussion? Just a thought. (If the majority says yes, btw, I will delete myself.) Dee From naraht at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 16:58:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3832 From: naraht Subject: Re: Book 4 spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #3823] Re: Book 4 spoilers Date: 7/11/00 12:58 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S I think then that we finally have the meaning of Cornelius Fudge's last name. When it came time to decide between Good and Evil he "Fudge"d his answer. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:04:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: To GypsyCaine: Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3833 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: To GypsyCaine: Reply To: [Yahoo! #3831] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:04 pm (ET) <<Does that mean that no one wants me here any longer since I haven't read any HP books at all? That I don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to this discussion?>> Don't go anywhere! You always have something to contribute, and I, for one, enjoy your comments! voicelady From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:09:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3834 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Question about Dementors- SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #3817] Question about Dementors- SPOILER Date: 7/11/00 1:09 pm (ET) Yogurt should have the Fruit on the Bottom!!!!! Sorry lunch time rant This really isn't a spoiler more of a theory Anyway... I had envisioned the the Dementors used the soul much like a vampire or my University (would)does, food or they would use them for something to thrive off of until the next soul comes along. Souls could be returned if you believe in a karmaic type of event or for something more scientific "energy can neither be created nor destroyed," (I forget whose law that is,) and it's very cyclical so why not have it return Jess From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: To Voicelady Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3835 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: To Voicelady Reply To: [Yahoo! #3833] To GypsyCaine: Date: 7/11/00 1:09 pm (ET) Thank you! That means alot to me. Smiles. I also really appreciate those who are using spoiler space and spoiler warnings even though for the earlier books they technically don't have to. It does make it still mysterious enough to me and I promise by this time next week, either I will have read book one, or it'll be on it's way in the post! Grins. Hopefully I have even more to contribute after that point. (I read very fast--Stephen King's Talisman took only 12 hours. The series should take, what a week, maybe 10 days? Smiles widely, thinking "can't wait!") :) Thanks again! Dee From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:14:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3836 From: taj_de_asia Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3679] Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Date: 7/11/00 1:14 pm (ET) flying_ford_anglia wrote: >>I think there are only two versions at the moment - the US Scholastic version (pic on amazon.com) and the UK Bloomsbury version Where are you?>> Hey, you're right!! I went to the Amazon.co.uk site and that's the one I have. I'm in Canada, by the way. MJ From vderark at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:16:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: To GypsyCaine: Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3837 From: vderark Subject: Re: To GypsyCaine: Reply To: [Yahoo! #3833] To GypsyCaine: Date: 7/11/00 1:16 pm (ET) Of course we want you here! That wasn't what that post meant at all. The point is (and it's a good one) that it will become harder and harder for you to avoid spoilers. We keep putting spoiler space and writing spoiler in the titles, but there have been quite a few slips already and there will be more. It's frankly hard to remember what tidbit of information about some character or other came from which book. As the discussions get more and more involved, this will be especially true. We value your input and are delighted to have you here, but if you're dead set against spoilers, maybe YOU might want to hold off reading things here until you've had a chance to read GoF. We'll do our best to keep secrets (and boy, are there secrets to keep!) but we can't guarantee anything, try as we might. On the other hand, if I read your post correctly, you haven't yet read ANY of the books, so just about anything we say is technically a spoiler for you, and you're still here. It seems that this isn't a big deal for you. So please stay. Please :) Steve From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:18:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/DADA/Snape(b4 spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3838 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Voldemort/DADA/Snape(b4 spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3797] Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 1:18 pm (ET) spoiler space * * * * *8 *8 * * * * 8 * l l h f a f y d s g g k s s ok that should be enough. I admit it, i was feeling sorry for snape at the end of b4 (also hp, lupin and snape working together should be amusing!!!) is he going to become the new DADA teacher? I think that V. does know that Snape betrayed him and so Snape wouldn't be able to be a spy this time around. whats going to happen to the real moody? from POL hope I left enough spoiler space From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:18:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: Beauxbatons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3839 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Beauxbatons Reply To: [Yahoo! #3792] Beauxbatons Date: 7/11/00 1:18 pm (ET) New member here - saw this club listed in the HP newsgroup last night by a long-term member. I'm not a french speaker, per se, but did grow up in Louisiana and was exposed to quite a few words of French origin. The problem is, all the words were pronounced with the Cajun dialect, which I've heard is quite different from true french. Anyway, the pronunciation that popped into my head when I saw that name was "bo buh-tawn". Judging from some of the ways I heard the various Cajun names mangled by visitors, though, I can imagine that a lot of people are thinking "box-bat-tons" instead. :0} From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:20:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:20:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3840 From: taj_de_asia Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3760] Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Date: 7/11/00 1:20 pm (ET) In response to a SPOILER!!! S P O I L E R W A R N I N G ! <<Confession-I liked how it was made obvious that Dumbledore really does trust Snape. And how Snape and Sirius had to shake hands at the end...>> >Uh... I'd have to disagree... >First Dumbledore clearly says that >..."I will >settle, in the short term, for a >lack of open >hostility. You will shake hands. >You are on the >same side now." >No where in that part of the book is there >really and shown sign that Dumbledore doesn't >trust Snape. In fact, IMO, he would trust him >with his life. Hi! Umm, I'm sorry, I think you or I misunderstood. I meant that I DO like that Snape was shown as someone Dumbledore trusts. It looks like you're saying the same thing?? So, I think that we are agreeing. 0_o MJ. From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:23:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3841 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3829] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:23 pm (ET) Amen, I am so glad I am not the only one who see's things this way! Rio From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:25:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3842 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3820] Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:25 pm (ET) never t i c k l e sleeping d r a g o n s if a father commits a crime is it right to punish the son? ok, we had this exact discussion during our lunch break and this is what we came up with: Lucius did the crime but dumbledore can't do anything to him esp. now he and fudge have gone separate ways. Malfoy maybe a little prick (pardon language) but he has not done anything wrong (legally speaking). he may be suspected because of his attitude and because of his father but he cannot be punished without proof. D. may not want them at Hogwarts but he cannot chuck them out for no proven reason. maybe V. wants draco et al. at Hogwarts so that they can act as spies for him? just my opinion. Darla From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:30:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3843 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3797] Re book 4 question .. so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 1:30 pm (ET) > Spoiler below > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > <snip> > " > > Snape's role in things should prove quite interesting as well, he > > could still be playing the spy bit. > > Snape had better not be planning to spy on the Death Eaters for the > League Against Voldemort as before: Voldemort told his followers in > the graveyard of three who were missing: One was too big a coward to > come back to Death or switch over to Life: that was Karkaroff altho' I > suspected Bagman. One was loyally working for Voldemort at Hogwart's: > that was Crouch Jr, altho' I suspected Karkaroff. One had gone > permanently to the other side and "he will be killed"; that was Snape. > > > So Voldemort knows Snape is his enemy. " > > This is what we are meant to think by what we read but there is a case > for Snape being hte coward. He did not come to Voldemort immediately > so he could be being viewed as a coward as he did not get straight > away from Hogwarts. > > We were told that Karkaroff bought his freedom by putting others > inside. This would make him the one Voldemort thinks will never be > going back to his side. You've got a good point Simon. I've learned the hard way not to jump to any conclusions in this series. The obvious conclusion is often wrong, but surprisingly so can be the second, third or even fourth options. That's one of the things that make these books so enjoyable! From brewergirl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:32:00 2000 From: brewergirl at yahoo.com (BrewerGirl) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3844 From: BrewerGirl Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3659] UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 1:32 pm (ET) I have not finished GOF yet ... and I don't have my copy with me right now .. but I seem to remember that there were at least a couple of phrases that were not Americanized (but that could have been). I'll have to look back and see if I can find specific references when I get home. Frankly, I'm glad that at least some British phrases and usages were left alone. I am not a fan of Americanizing these books or any others. American readers ... both young and old ... are capable of understanding British phrases and terminology. (Of course, having said all this, I'm not going to be able to find a single reference in GOF and you'll all write me off as a crackpot!) From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:32:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3845 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3831] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:32 pm (ET) I was in no way implying anyone should delete themselves, only that if you don't want to be surprised why read a board where nearly every post is going to spoil it for you. I too live frugally and avoided all input that might ruin my Harry Holiday. But I agreed to follow the rules when I joined and will continue to do so. No offense intented towards anyone. Rio From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:33:00 -0400 Subject: 3.8 + million Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3846 From: GypsyCaine Subject: 3.8 + million Date: 7/11/00 1:33 pm (ET) I know that at least 3.8 million have read GoF, and I dearly wish I was one of them. Just think, though. For everyone here, getting Book 4 was like Christmas. Imagine how I feel about getting the whole series! It's like I am a little kid who knows that Santa is coming, but not certain when, and I asked for specific gifts so I know what I will be awaking to find in my stocking! The excitement that's within me to discover what exactly makes HP so addicting, so popular is almost overboiling! I CAN'T WAIT!!!! Dee From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:34:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: A couple more HP links Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3847 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: A couple more HP links Reply To: [Yahoo! #3569] Re: A couple more HP links Date: 7/11/00 1:34 pm (ET) OK, question... I noticed that on the bottom left hand side of the clock, on the flowing ribbon of the crest, the word/name Draco...Can anyone explain this? HP's archnemesis' name on the crest? WHAT AN EGO SWELLER! From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:44:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:44:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3848 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3842] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:44 pm (ET) ACK! I have been misunderstood! S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R SPACE I didn't mean that DUMBLEDORE would refuse to let Malfoy or the others come back! Dumbledore would WANT them there to try to influence them in good ways. I meant, would the PARENTS who have openly come out on the side of Voldemort really send their children into the enemy camp to be educated???? From molly3075 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:51:00 2000 From: molly3075 at yahoo.com (molly3075) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3849 From: molly3075 Subject: Re: Religion in Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #3756] Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/11/00 1:51 pm (ET) There is no separation of church and state in England, so most UK schools are affiliated with religious institutions, so it would seem normal for Britons to hear carols or hymns in school ... I dont think it indicates that Rowling endorses any particular religion or means to be exclusionary. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: Spoiling... oh yes you are!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3850 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Spoiling... oh yes you are!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3829] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 1:51 pm (ET) "but seriously, folks, if you havent read Book 4 yet you probably shouldnt be reading this newsgroup." Er, couldn't we use spoiler space for a couple of weeks at least? After all, the book hit the shelves on Saturday and it's only Tuesday now. Many of us have read the book (me included, BTW), but not everyone even has a copy yet, and those that have may not have read the whole thing. Put yourself in their shoes. There are hardly any clubs/message boards that discuss Harry Potter in an adult fashion, so is it fair to expect people to stay away just because a handful of people are too impatient to stick a few lines of crap before their messages? Not wishing to burden her unduly, I think it's up to Penny, as the founder, to decide what's best. If we all start playing by our own rules, the club will be all over the place. Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3851 From: Danemead Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3844] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 1:54 pm (ET) >>>>I seem to remember that there were at least a couple of phrases that were not Americanized<<<< I think we can thank the simultaneous publication in UK and USA for the lack of Americanization in the language of Book 4. Hallelujah! There are quite a number of words and phrases that I recognize as being distinctly British, like "prat" for instance. From aquilany at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:56:00 2000 From: aquilany at yahoo.com (aquilany) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Official Hogwarts School Online!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3852 From: aquilany Subject: Official Hogwarts School Online!!! Date: 7/11/00 1:56 pm (ET) Join Official Hogwarts School Online we have lots of pictures at our club(over50) including the possible cast of Harry Potter the movie. So please join us. You'll love our pics. Thank You From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 17:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: 3.8 + million Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3853 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: 3.8 + million Reply To: [Yahoo! #3846] 3.8 + million Date: 7/11/00 1:59 pm (ET) "I know that at least 3.8 million have read GoF, and I dearly wish I was one of them." Dee, I keep forgetting that you haven't read any of the books. I can understand why you asked about the Ford Anglia now! BTW, I hope you stay with us and aren't too offended by some of the remarks flying around. People are impatient to get on with discussing Book 4 - it's understandable - but don't feel you are being shunted out of the club! I think it will be fun to read your reactions to the books as you read them and see what you think. Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: Official Hogwarts School Online!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3854 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Official Hogwarts School Online!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3852] Official Hogwarts School Online!!! Date: 7/11/00 2:00 pm (ET) First, you need to tell us where it is. What's the address, please? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: Don't worry.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3855 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Don't worry.... Date: 7/11/00 2:09 pm (ET) It seems like you guys like me, so I will hang around and bug you longer. As far as the spoilers, I understand that you don't need to place them for books 1-3, and I am willing to deal with that (I already mentioned this in an earlier post). I just wanted to speak up for the ones who are like me, broke, and haven't gotten their hands on 4 yet. I see by the last few minutes (Hours?) of post that I AM not alone. Thanks for jumping in. It's my misfortune to having waited sooo long to jump the HP boat!!! Grins widely. I am learning alot from you guys, and consider you all friends already, so to be honest, I would have really been upset if you wanted me to quit the club. Thanks! Dee From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:16:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3856 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3844] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 2:16 pm (ET) Being a bit familiar with comics from Britsh authors, I, too, don't mind if the original UK English would be left in. Most of us "Yanks" do have some comprehension of British terminology, and don't mind reading it in print. For those unfamiliar, well, never too early or too late to learn some cross-culture info, eh? But I was unaware they did any Americanization at all in the books, I caught a few distinctive British words in the earlier books, and after all, it's taking place in England, so no one should be sounding like they're from CA or NYC, anyway. It's no better than when Anime (Japanese animation) is dubbed. The acting typically isn't as good, and some aspects of the story are lost in the translation and delivery. From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:20:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3857 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3851] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 2:20 pm (ET) What's a git? I've assumed that it's something not overly insulting but not compelmentary either. help the American out here Jess From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:30:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:30:00 -0400 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3858 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Off Topic Date: 7/11/00 2:30 pm (ET) As a fan of the fantasy genera,(and I assume most of us here are) I want to invite folks to visit http://www.xanodria.com This is what i do when I am not reading Harry Potter :-) From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:35:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:00 -0400 Subject: Don't worry.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3859 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: Don't worry.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3855] Don't worry.... Date: 7/11/00 2:35 pm (ET) Hey Gypsy, As a fellow occasionally financialy impaired person, I suggest you go to the library. While I am sure book 4 is wait listed for months, you may be able to get the earlier editions. This is how I read books 2-3 until my honey was nice enough to give me all 3 in hard cover last X-mas. From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:37:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3860 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3857] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 2:37 pm (ET) Greetings to the fellow Delaware Valley denizen. lol. Git, I think, generally means "idiot." And here's the definition courtesy of the site: "What a load of codswallop, pet!" http://www.wmin.ac.uk/~sfgva/ukus.htm "53) Git. An undesirable and miserable person. Between 'sod' and 'bastard' on the 'are you going to get your head kicked in?' scale." Fine and amusing American-UK English Dictionary. Highly recommend you check it out! ~Whisper From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:44:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: Anyone else NOT have the book IV yet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3861 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Anyone else NOT have the book IV yet Reply To: [Yahoo! #3633] Anyone else NOT have the book IV yet?? Date: 7/11/00 2:44 pm (ET) I still do not have it. I just ordered it off of etoys.com yesterday for $12.99!!!!!!WOOHOO! Anyway, what does the cover look like? Is it the green one that has been in the store windows? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:47:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: Don't worry....Library.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3862 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Don't worry....Library.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3859] Re: Don't worry.... Date: 7/11/00 2:47 pm (ET) The library is out. Chuckles softly, I owe them $$ too! Also, I don't have a car yet, so transportation (and the time to get there since I am schooling reallllllly heavy this summer, 3 classes!) is a factor. Amazon is being nice, and I can use my credit card--just have to wait until that second installment loan check appears in my mailbox, and I will be able to go on the spending spree!! YYYYYYYEEEEEEAHH! all three of the books that I need. I appreciate the idea, though! Dee From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:47:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3863 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3860] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 2:47 pm (ET) <<Greetings to the fellow Delaware Valley denizen.>> Where are you both in the Delaware Valley? I grew up in Downingtown! From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:56:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3864 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3863] COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Date: 7/11/00 2:56 pm (ET) >From South Jersey, near Woodbury, voicelady. And Gypsy, don't fret. I don't even have a local library that I can use really, and have to use public transportation, and currently money situation is too tight to buy the 4th book. :( Oh well, thank God for payday, eh? LOL From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 18:57:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3865 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3860] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 2:57 pm (ET) danke shoen I can't remember how to spell Thanks Jess From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:03:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3866 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 3:03 pm (ET) A couple of months ago someone posted a link here with Jo Rowling pronouncing "Hermoine". Not wishing to go through hundreds of messages to find it, could someone either re-post the link, or mail it to me at luvmykatz at mindspring.com I want to include it in a review of GoF that I'm writing for a friend's webpage. Many thanks! Rita From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:12:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3867 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3863] COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Date: 7/11/00 3:12 pm (ET) I lived in Downing town for a year!! Small world, I am in Harrisburg now, and work in the same town that Stouffer lives in. From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:27:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3868 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3819] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 3:27 pm (ET) Personally I find that remark to be offensive and a little bitter. I think the cast should be British as intended by the author. Rio From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:28:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3869 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3677] Chapter Discussions Date: 7/11/00 3:28 pm (ET) Well, why don't we start from book one? I'd like to discuss that. I just finished 1 and 2 and am 1/2 way thru 3...Anyone want to start discussing from the beginning of HP!? From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:28:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3870 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3863] COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Date: 7/11/00 3:28 pm (ET) Fact: Downingtown stinks, Warminster rules. From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:32:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3871 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3870] Re: COMPLETELY off topic (Sorry) Date: 7/11/00 3:32 pm (ET) Nope, Downingtown ok Warminster ok Pottstown stinks ;-) Ok Ill stop with the off topics now <g> From Five896 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:34:00 2000 From: Five896 at yahoo.com (Five896) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3872 From: Five896 Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3866] I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 3:34 pm (ET) I just finished GoF myself, and seem to remember Hermione herself spelling it out for Krum. It's something like 'Her-my-on-e' if I remember correctly. someone please stop me if I'm wrong. From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:44:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3873 From: sakerio Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3872] Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 3:44 pm (ET) You are absolutly correct. It's a running theme in book 4. Rio From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:51:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:51:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3874 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3872] Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 3:51 pm (ET) Yes, it IS in the book, but I was looking for the .wav file that someone had posted. My friend includes links when she publishes the book reviews. --Rita From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:57:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: New members might want to read this Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3875 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: New members might want to read this Date: 7/11/00 3:57 pm (ET) Hi to all the new members! For information, one of our members has an FAQ for this club at the link below, which also talks a bit about netiquette. http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/grownups.html Neil From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 19:57:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3876 From: sakerio Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3874] Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 3:57 pm (ET) Good idea, I missed that one, who is the file of? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:02:00 -0400 Subject: Administrative Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3877 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Administrative Questions Date: 7/11/00 4:02 pm (ET) Hi: You all have been busy in my 4 hr absence from the computer. Uh . . where to start? I am the founder as Neil said (by default, the original founder, Barbara Drey, asked me to step in so the club could continue). But, Barbara is still around (I hope!). Chats -- The official chat time is on Sundays, 3:00 p.m. (EST) - 6:00 (EST). If people want to chat amongst themselves, the chat room is always available I guess. I only joined my first chat this past Sunday as I was dying to discuss GoF! Spoilers -- As I said before, let's use Spoiler Warnings and Spoiler Space re: GoF for the next month or so. People deserve a chance to read it. We're also agreed that we will put "Spoiler -- Chapter 14" in the subject line. That way, if someone has read to Chapter 16, they can read the message safely. But, if they're only on Ch 10, they'll want to avoid that message. I must admit I don't think I've been diligent myself about the Chapter references in the subject line, but I will endeavor to do better. <g> Not everyone read it all in one gulp. I must confess that I do somewhat agree with the person who said that people who haven't read GoF should perhaps avoid the boards until they've finished. That was the route I took (of course, I also turned on my computer to a very full to bulging in-box of email). But, I don't think the majority of people are out of line in wanting spoilers for Book 4. No Spoilers needed for Books 1-3. With a book discussion group like this, it's my personal opinion that you can be presumed to have the basic knowledge about Books 1-3 when you join. In another month or so, I would say people who join will be assumed to have knowledge of all 4 books. I don't mean that people who haven't read all of them (or any of them) are unwelcome at all. I just mean the rest of us shouldn't be expected to put spoilers on all our messages. Because otherwise, *all* the messages would be spoilers. Make sense? I really hope I'm communicating this in a non-offensive manner. Dee and others who have not read all the books are more than welcome in my book! Please don't get me wrong (I really don't want millions of flames on this one). I will say that I personally would never join this club until I'd read them (but that's just because I wouldn't want the books to be spoiled for me). Side note: Dee I was also going to suggest the public library to you, but I saw a later post where you indicated that's not an option either. Sorry about that. We'll keep hoping you can get them soon. My basic point: no spoilers on Books 1-3 (and we will take off the spoiler reqmt for Book 4 at some point). I think this is getting long so I will discuss chapter discussions in my next message. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:06:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:06:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3878 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3874] Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 4:06 pm (ET) "Yes, it IS in the book, but I was looking for the .wav file that someone had posted." ***It was BabyNick who posted the sound clip, from an interview with JKR. His website doesn't have the link any more. The 'official' Scholastic site has an audio pronunciation guide at: http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/index.htm It's on that page but you'll have to open the window. I'm not sure if you can capture the sound clips. Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3879 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter Discussions Date: 7/11/00 4:13 pm (ET) Hi: We are going to try and do something structured re: discussing GoF. It's long, and IMO, more complex than the other books. So, I think it could be useful to have a structured discussion going. People should continue to jump in with other thoughts as they have them (mindful of spoiler warnings though!). But, it could be good to give some overall structure to the discussion. HPanonymous is doing chapter by chapter discussions, and Simon suggested that maybe we do something a bit different since there is some overlap between this group & that group. He suggested discussing various characters and/or themes. I like this idea! But, I also like the idea of the chapter discussions (since not everyone is on hpanonymous). So . . . what if we do both? We could discuss one chapter each week (and let's face it -- there will be some chapters that won't merit a whole week's worth of discussion). So, to supplement, we could also add in character discussions. We could also lump 2 or more chapters together if it makes sense. I vote that we have a discussion of Chapter 1 and one of the more minor characters this week. Suggestions as to which character (maybe someone can come up with a list, starting with the less pivotal ones and ending up with Harry obviously)? I promised the summary of Chapter 1 to kick that off, and I will post that later today (I promise!). Penny From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:14:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3880 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3868] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 4:14 pm (ET) Here, here! Again, everything takes place in England, so why not English actors? One suggestion for casting though, in the case of Rubeus Hagrid. Even though I think this actor is really Irish, after watching Braveheart yet again. (It's on permanant rotation on cable around here.) The actor who played Hamish, cousin to William Wallace, Brendan Gleeson, I think would make an excellent Hagrid. He's got the girth, and the height, and he does look a bit like the illustrations of Hagrid. I also heard of Tim Roth as Snape, and considering the work I've seen him in, oftentimes as an oily-looking fellow. He's got the looks and probably be brilliant as Severus Snape. As for Maggie Smith as Minerva McGonngall(sp?) while she's an excellent and highly experianced actress, she seems a tad old for the part. I always thought of the head of Gryffindore as being a middle-aged woman, say in her 40's, maybe 50's tops. Comments? From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:17:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3881 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #3801] Re: Movie Date: 7/11/00 4:17 pm (ET) I AM SO FOR THAT!!!!!! I wanna be one of the Diagon Alley extras!!!!!WOOHOO!!!!!! From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:23:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3882 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Chapter Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #3879] Chapter Discussions Date: 7/11/00 4:23 pm (ET) Excellent idea! I think the chapter and character discssion is a wonderful way to go. Thanks for posting the info on chats etc...I'll be at the next one. Rio From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:23:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: First Thoughts - Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3883 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: First Thoughts - Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3657] Re: First Thoughts - Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/11/00 4:23 pm (ET) Wow! I steer clear of HP groups for 3 days, and find three hundred messages here! I'm almost afraid to check my e-mail when I get home. I've finally finished (despite many interruptions the past few days). But I can't reread it yet, because my mother pounced on it as soon as she found out I'd finished. <Personally I'm so overwhelmed with things I want to discuss that I don't know where to start.> Me too. S P O I L E R Anyone know where I can get one of those thought storage contraptions in Dumbledore's office? What's it called? Pensieve? Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3884 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3857] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 4:24 pm (ET) What's a git? My dictionary says something slightly different: "A silly or contemptible person". Git is a word I use a lot, usually along the lines of "you stupid git!" That's why I'm charmless and friendless, I guess. Someone else noted that there don't seem to be many Americanisations in the US versions of the books. We've touched on this before: there are quite a few, but perhaps they are more obvious to a Brit! Some really stick out like "bangs" instead of "fringe" and "fries" instead of "chips", and there were some that got missed - there was a question about "chipolata" here, as I recall. The changes don't spoil my enjoyment of the audio books, but I think they were unnecessary. Neil From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:27:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3885 From: taj_de_asia Subject: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/11/00 4:27 pm (ET) Hi, Please don't take this as a criticism, please! But I was just wondering, when I was reading the HP books, there were a few times when I wished that Ms. Rowling would show more reaction from Harry. Sometimes, when certain events were happening, I could only imagine what Harry might be thinking, and though I don't mind that, I felt rather more distanced from Harry than I would like. It was like lookig through his eyes, but not really experiencing much of what he was feeling, like seeing Being John Malkovich. I might have put this badly, but any thoughts anyway?? MJ. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:29:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:29:00 -0400 Subject: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3886 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Reply To: [Yahoo! #3663] Re: Fine dining versus swallowing whole Date: 7/11/00 4:29 pm (ET) <<Cover art: What's the big insect with wings? One of Hagrid's treasure-digger thingys? (can't remember what they're called) >> S P O I L E R S P A C E I took it to be a blast-ended skrewt. Forgive me if this has already been answered. Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:30:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Suggestion for 1st Character to Discuss Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3887 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Suggestion for 1st Character to Discuss Date: 7/11/00 4:30 pm (ET) Hi: cj has suggested we discuss Bill Weasley as our first character discussion. I think that's a good suggestion. He's "cool" after all! Let's hear suggestions for the coming weeks. Penny From sigma94 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:30:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3888 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3868] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 4:30 pm (ET) Hey, I am American (from MD, see), and the way the first msg was posted, it was as a joke, and so was my response. Sorry, that post was almost a year old, out of the flow of the conversation today! From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:31:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3889 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3848] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 4:31 pm (ET) life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep life's a neck, drink deep ok, that should do it.. <I didn't mean that DUMBLEDORE would refuse to let Malfoy or the others come back! Dumbledore would WANT them there to try to influence them in good ways. I meant, would the PARENTS who have openly come out on the side of Voldemort really send their children into the enemy camp to be educated???? > Yeah, but if the parents supported V. the the children could be used to pass and gather information bout opposition to V. From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:36:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3890 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #3885] Being Harry Potter Date: 7/11/00 4:36 pm (ET) Interestingly enough, I've heard similiar complaints referring to Harry Potter's predecessor: Tim Hunter of the "Books of Magic." Reviews were sugesting that the first few books had Tim as being too passive. And Harry does come off that way a bit, but bear in mind, both boys were just beginning to discover this whole other world of magic, and it's all too much to take in at first. But by POA, Harry's starting to be more assertive. He's more comfortable in his surroundings, and seeing Hogwarts as his home. On another note: I've been noticing some reviews saying that GOF is a more adult type of book, than the first three books, but what of it? Harry's older now, and growing up, and of course the book should reflect this. Like "Books of Magic," it's a hero's progression, a coming of age tale. K, jumping off the soapbox now. LOL! From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:37:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Book IV ****SPOILERS!!!!**** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3891 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Thoughts on Book IV ****SPOILERS!!!!**** Date: 7/11/00 4:37 pm (ET) *SPOILERS !!!* i n t o T r e l a w n y ' s . . . c r y s t a l b a l l I know I said give it a week, but dang it! I just could wait! ;-) Okay, I just finished it today. :-) And it definitely IS just beginning... First off, I see a love triangle between Ron, Krum, Hermione coming...(Ron WILL eventually hook up with Hermione, AS I predicted earlier ;-) OR Possibly, a triangle between Ron, Harry, and Hermione...*hmmm* I have a feeling we'll hear more from Avery... Remember when Voldemort mentioned those missing from his ranks??? The Missing (6) Death Eaters?? "One too cowardly to return..." -FUDGE (I think) "One who I believe (believe being the operative word here, meaning, Voldemort might accept him back into his ranks) has left me forever..." -SNAPE (Dumbledore's task for him is definitely to spy again) And of course, Hagrid's role is to form an alliance with the giants. :-) From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:42:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3892 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 4:42 pm (ET) Why does the house of Slytherin even exist?? If Dumbledore, knows the qualities it fosters, usually lead to powerful dark magic, why not discontinue the house's existence, all together?? From jrburnsiii at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:43:00 2000 From: jrburnsiii at yahoo.com (jrburnsiii) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: And out come the critics.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3893 From: jrburnsiii Subject: And out come the critics.... Date: 7/11/00 4:43 pm (ET) Naturally, when anything is doing well, there is bound to be a group of those that have to tear it down. Today's wall street journal has a commentary from a Yale professor who apparently feels that Rowling's books are not worth eading because they are not fine literary classics. I disagree, and my reply can be found at: Harry Potter and the Highbrow Critic http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=105020 The way I see it, reading by kids is important, and what beter than a series that will keep them interested through at least 3 more books, no? JB From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: Audio Books Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3894 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Audio Books Observation Date: 7/11/00 4:47 pm (ET) Hi: I started the audio tapes of GoF today -- wanted to point out that Jim Dale has given Harry & Ron a deeper voice than in the previous audio versions. I guess they went through puberty in the summer. <g> Penny From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:54:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: I need a link, please for Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3895 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #3878] Re: I need a link, please for Hermoine Date: 7/11/00 4:54 pm (ET) Ok... as you have asked so nicely... I've put the links to the sound files on the Broomsticks site. http://www.broomsticks.org Any other names you want put there? I have a few clips of Jo saying some of the words from the earlier books - not GoF yet though. Nick From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 20:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Suggestion for 1st Character to Disc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3896 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Suggestion for 1st Character to Disc Reply To: [Yahoo! #3887] Suggestion for 1st Character to Discuss Date: 7/11/00 4:56 pm (ET) "cj has suggested we discuss Bill Weasley as our first character discussion. I think that's a good suggestion. He's "cool" after all!" I loved that way the members of Weasley family were dotted throughout the plot of GoF. Brilliant characters. Perhaps later on, we can discuss them as a family as well? Anyway, no time like the present! S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E Fleur Delacour was making moony eyes at Bill towards the end of the book. Was this just an indication of her general vamp status, or do you think she'll be turning up at The Burrow, on Bill's arm, in Book 5? With Ron always having to compete with his older brothers, maybe that would be just too much, but it might push him into Hermione's arms! Is Bill the oldest Weasley child, I can't remember? Neil From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:11:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3897 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3892] Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 5:11 pm (ET) I'm guessing because balance is needed. It goes back to the common theme of four, which is present in nature as elements, seasons, humors, and so on, particularly to theories in the early Western World. If we were to link up the houses according to element we'd have: Air - Ravenclaw (both related to mind and wisdom) Fire - Gryffindore (Courage, and also it's make sense to have Harry here, because his b-day of July 31st [I'm surprised JKR didn't wait for this date to premiere GOF, would make more sense.] makes him a Leo, which is a Fire sign. Water - Slytherin (Water signs do relate to darker or mysterious things, particularly in case of Scorpio.) Earth - Hufflepuff (Loyal and trustworthy, and Huffles seem to be more grounded than the other houses.) Just an idea. ~Whisper From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:17:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:17:00 -0400 Subject: Applause for FAQ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3898 From: Danemead Subject: Applause for FAQ Date: 7/11/00 5:17 pm (ET) Let's have a round of applause for the wonderful job that RavenclawLady has done on the FAQ. Also to all who contributed to the creation of this page. It's really VERY well done. Fifty Points to Ravenclaw! http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/grownups.html From brp13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:20:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: Thoughts on Book IV ****SPOILERS!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3899 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Thoughts on Book IV ****SPOILERS!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #3891] Thoughts on Book IV ****SPOILERS!!!!**** Date: 7/11/00 5:20 pm (ET) *SPOILERS !!!* i n t o T r e l a w n y ' s . . . c r y s t a l b a l l Okay. The 6 missing death eaters are simple enough. 3 were dead. 1 is Snape. 1 is the younger crouch, who remained loyal to Voldemort. And the last, the one you accused fudge of being, is quite easy. Karkaroff is the last one of course. Fudge is just acting as an idiot. Your right about Hagrid, but the mystery of Snape still gets me... From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:22:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:22:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3900 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3897] Re: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 5:22 pm (ET) And a very good idea, it is. :-) I like the way you broke it down. But, that brings up more questions...It's the cliche', the old plot device (and belief) that good cannot exist without evil. So, one must wonder(guess), will J.K.R. ever allow for a complete defeat of Voldemort? I see Dumbledore and Voldemort as polar opposites. If one defeasts the other, the balance would be upset. From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:22:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:22:00 -0400 Subject: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3901 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Reply To: [Yahoo! #3896] Re: Suggestion for 1st Character to Disc Date: 7/11/00 5:22 pm (ET) First an off topic point: West Chester Henderson rules!!! East sucks...Pottstown and Downingtown were pretty good...and I'm clueless on Warminster....ahhh got that out of my system...now on with my post Re: Bill Weasley Anyway, no time like the present! S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E <Fleur Delacour was making moony eyes at Bill <towards the end of the book. Was this just an <indication of her general vamp status, or do you <think she'll be turning up at The Burrow, on <Bill's arm, in Book 5? With Ron always having to <compete with his older brothers, maybe that <would be just too much, but it might push him <into Hermione's arms! <Is Bill the oldest Weasley child, I can't <remember? I think Bill is the oldest....like Harry I pictured him more conservative...he works for a bank and all....so the description was surprising, but very welcome....its cool that he's so cool...I picture a guy in tie die T-shirts and Birkenstock sandals. I think a torid affair between Fleur and Bill would be appropriate.....hmmmmm is there a fanfic there or what! Fleur is too old for Ron...its just that veela thing working on him and a crush....he might be bugged if Bill sees Fleur, but he definitely has more realistic eyes for Hermione.... Who else thinks Bill will play a role in the fight against V. in future books....and the weasleys have had a lot of outstanding children....there is definitely some powerful magic in their blood. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:33:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3902 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Reply To: [Yahoo! #3901] Re: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Date: 7/11/00 5:33 pm (ET) *SPOILERS !!!* i n t o T r e l a w n y ' s . . . c r y s t a l b a l l <I think Bill is the oldest....like Harry I pictured him more conservative...he works for a bank and all....so the description was surprising, but very welcome....its cool that he's so cool...I picture a guy in tie die T-shirts and Birkenstock sandals.> T-shirts and Birkenstocks?? :-P Sorry, and no offense...But, I picture a little more of a rebel than that...sort of along the lines of "a red headed rock star, who just happens to work at a bank, but without the 'rock star' attitude". From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:41:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:41:00 -0400 Subject: Weasley Kids Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3903 From: Danemead Subject: Weasley Kids Date: 7/11/00 5:41 pm (ET) The order of birth for the Weasleys: 1. Bill (works for Gringotts in Egypt) 2. Charlie (works with dragons in Romania) 3. Percy (graduated at the end of PoA - can't say more without a spoiler) 4/5. Fred & George (twins in their 6th year in GoF) 6. Ron (same year as Harry) 7. Ginny (one year younger than Ron & Harry) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3904 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #3901] Re: Spoiler early in book4 - Bill Weasle Date: 7/11/00 5:50 pm (ET) "I picture a guy in tie die T-shirts and Birkenstock sandals." Ugh, no! Much more biker boots and waistcoats (vests) - a well-dressed biker-cum-roustabout. But if Bill is say, 21, dressing like that is probably just a phase. Once he has his eye on that senior position, he'll cut the hair and lose the earring. "Who else thinks Bill will play a role in the fight against V. in future books..." Hmmm - not sure about this. The Weasleys are truly Harry's surrogate family now, so Bill would be like the big brother he never had if he sticks around long enough. The problem with minor characters like Bill Weasley is that they have "please kill me" stamped on their foreheads, so perhaps being killed by V in an heroic struggle is his destiny. Sorry, I'm veering off into the Weasleys now... tut, tut. I just cannot understand the old fashioned magic that Dumbledore wove that obliges Harry to stay with the Dursleys every summer. Couldn't he just cast a similar spell over The Burrow and let him stay with his Wheezy? Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:52:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: Suggestion for 1st Character to Disc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3905 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Suggestion for 1st Character to Disc Reply To: [Yahoo! #3887] Suggestion for 1st Character to Discuss Date: 7/11/00 5:52 pm (ET) "cj has suggested we discuss Bill Weasley as our first character discussion. I think that's a good suggestion. He's "cool" after all! Let's hear suggestions for the coming weeks." I think it would be a good idea to stick with minor characters for the next month or two to give people the chance to think and re-read as they see fit. Then we can go on to the main characters. I go away for a couple of hours and return to find over 75 posts! Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: Ooops - now I'm at it! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3906 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Ooops - now I'm at it! Date: 7/11/00 5:53 pm (ET) Aaaarh!!!Spoiler on that last message I posted!!!! I was concentrating so hard, I forgot. Sorry. From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:54:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: Another New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3907 From: sammie_dd Subject: Another New Member Date: 7/11/00 5:54 pm (ET) Hello All. I just have to say it's great to find lots of other adults out there that are as hooked on HP as my husband and myself. My mother got us when she brought it home from school last fall, after reading SS to her fifth grade class. We even had to buy two copies of GoF, so that we didn't have to fight over who got to read it first. We actually got four copies, so that we could donate some to local libraries and homes for abused children. I think by far (and I'm sure some one else has said this before) the best part of the series is that the books grow not only with the characters but with the readers as well- the younger ones that is. I look forward to lots of lively discussions! Sammmie D.D. from Maryland PS- I read about the club in last Friday's Washington Post, and immediately emailed the section editor to get the address. From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 21:58:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3908 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3900] Re: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 5:58 pm (ET) Thank you, and I just noticed something odd. It's almost like another wordplay, only a few of the letters are different. DUMBLEDORE VOLDEMORT Hmmm... maybe not. For a moment it seemed like a wordplay on par with Tom Riddle. And I agree with your polar opposite theory. Everyone keeps saying that the only who could take on Voldemort, and (other than Harry) isn't afraid to say his true name, is Dumbledore. So, if Harry can be likened to Dumbledore's apprentice, is Peter Peeves, Voldemort's? (as implied in POA) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:05:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3909 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3908] Re: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 6:05 pm (ET) Talking about plays on words. A couple of weeks ago I posted a few anagrams. How are people getting along with these. Message #3106 for all the newbie's. If people want the answers then I will post them at the weekend. Simon From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:08:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3910 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3908] Re: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 6:08 pm (ET) >>> Everyone keeps saying that the only who could take on Voldemort, and (other than Harry) isn't afraid to say his true name, is Dumbledore. >>> Actually, that's not true. It's clearly stated in PoA that both Professor Lupin and Sirius Black say Voldemort's name. I don't have my copy close at hand, but Lupin says, when Harry asks him why he didn't let him fight the boggart in DADA, that he "assumed the boggart would assume the shape of Lord Voldemort," and Harry was surprised because, other than Dumbledore, he'd never heard anyone else say Voldemort's name rather than "You-Know-Who." Also in PoA, in the Shrieking Shack, after Scabbers is transformed into Petter Pettigrew, he accuses Black of being a spy for You-Know-Who, and Black says something like, "Me, a spy for Voldemort?" I believe, but I'm not sure, that S P O I L E R Black also uses Voldemort's name in GoF. -- JoAnna From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:13:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:13:00 -0400 Subject: Sales of book 4 - no spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3911 From: hert0661 Subject: Sales of book 4 - no spoilers Date: 7/11/00 6:13 pm (ET) "The latest Harry Potter book has shot into the record books by selling more than a third of a million copies on its first day - shattering the previous record. Harry Potter And The Goblet of Fire sold 372,775 copies in the UK on Saturday, almost as many as its predecessor did in a year. The figures, from industry analysts Whitaker BookTrack, showed 256,246 copies were sold in bookshops, with the remainder sold online or through newspaper deals. " The above is from an article on the BBC news web site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_829000/829238.stm). That is a large number of copies and by the sounds of it at least 100,000 to people like me ordering online. No wonder the postman was complaining! Simon From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:15:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3912 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3828] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 6:15 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> Even at the end of Book 4, there is no concrete evidence, only Harry's word. >>> No, there's evidence that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater...the mark on his arm. Snape had one, and showed it to Fudge, saying that it had been growing darker and darker. Wouldn't Lucius Malfoy have one as well? Also, if Lucius tries to return to "normal" wizard society and masquerade as a non-Voldemort supporter, won't the mark give him away? Or does it fade? I think that dear old Draco will stay at home with mommy Narcissa, while Daddy goes off to help overthrow the world. I don't know if he'll go to Hogwarts, though...I would assume so, at least until Voldemort sets up an Academy for the Dark Arts. After all, Draco still needs his wizarding education, and, despite the fact that Hogwarts had Dumbledore as Headmaster, it's still the best wizarding school there is. (I assume...) It's also Voldemort's alma mater, and probably Lucius Malfoy's as well. I'm going to stop rambling now.... -- JoAnna From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:15:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: Trekkers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3913 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Trekkers.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3764] Trekkers.... Date: 7/11/00 6:15 pm (ET) I was led to believe that a Trekker was somone who liked TOS (the original series, you know, fat bloke - wig, tribbles?) - and Trekkies prefer TNG (feat. peanut head), DS9 (Shudder - the boredom), and ST: Voyager (where did Kes go), over the original. I definately heard this at a Star Trek convention - so maybe things are different fepending on which sode of the pond you live? Nicholas > I was informed the first time that I used the term trekkie that it was incorrect, and proper star trek fans call themselves "trekkers From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:17:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3914 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3884] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 6:17 pm (ET) Just out of curiousity, how is "git" pronounced, with a hard or soft "g"? I've always thought "git," with a hard g, but it could probably be "jit," although that sounds strange. :) Can anyone clarify? -- JoAnna From MissSelene at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:20:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: Hello fellow Potter fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3915 From: MissSelene Subject: Hello fellow Potter fans Date: 7/11/00 6:20 pm (ET) Evenin' all. I suppose you guys are slightly tired of all the Hello-messages, but hey, the more the merrier, right? Anyway, I've only read the first book, and horror over horrors, it wasn't even in English! Which makes names a bit of a problem concidering that most of them were translated! But not to worry (mainly for me) because my parents are going to London tomorrow with strict instructions to not come home without book nr. 4, so I'll get up to date. Well, thought I'd just say hello, so...Hello! Smiles from newly addicted Potter-fan (1 week) Selene From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:21:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3916 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3892] Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 6:21 pm (ET) >>> Why does the house of Slytherin even exist?? If Dumbledore, knows the qualities it fosters, usually lead to powerful dark magic, why not discontinue the house's existence, all together?? >>> You can eliminate the house, but you can't eliminate the qualities possessed. Whether or not Tom Riddle was in Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, or Hufflepuff, he still would have become Lord Voldemort if his ambition and lust for power were both strong enough. At least I think so. Besides, although Salazar Slytherin was "an old loony," to quote Ron, he was still a Hogwarts founder (even though he did create the Chamber of Secrets). He deserves some recognition for that, IMHO. -- JoAnna From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:21:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3917 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3912] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 6:21 pm (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> Even at the end of Book 4, there is no concrete evidence, only Harry's word. >>> "No, there's evidence that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater...the mark on his arm. " This is again assuming that it Lucius. I can remember no reason to assume that the Death Eaters were male. It could have been Narcissa. "I think that dear old Draco will stay at home with mommy Narcissa, while Daddy goes off to help overthrow the world. I don't know if he'll go to Hogwarts," This would make it very obvious as to the loyalties of the Malfoy family. They would be giving up any suggestion that they are a respectable family. Simon From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:22:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:22:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3918 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #3887] Suggestion for 1st Character to Discuss Date: 7/11/00 6:22 pm (ET) I have decided that Bill is the man for me! LOL I love smart, brave men with long hair, and that fang earring... *shiver* I have the feeling that Fleur has cast her eyes in Bill's direction, and that we will be seeing much more of both of them in coming books! From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:22:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:22:00 -0400 Subject: Casting and Gypsycaine.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3919 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Casting and Gypsycaine.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3888] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 6:22 pm (ET) Hey Sigma - it must be an MD thing... I took it as a joke too - but maybe thats cause I'm originally British as well - I just married American - thats my only excuse!!!! Gypsycaine - Luv ya honey - please stay! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:24:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3920 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3796] Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/11/00 6:24 pm (ET) "The UK book First Edition has an error on page 150. Missing a word." It has? I have read this page again twice and could not see the mistake. However the first time I read the book I picked up on another mistake that I cannot now find. Simon From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:25:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley -- slight spoiler (?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3921 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Bill Weasley -- slight spoiler (?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #3918] Bill Weasley Date: 7/11/00 6:25 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Thought I'd put in spoiler space just to be safe... If my friend Rod had a fang earring, he would look *exactly* like Bill Weasley! He's tall, thin, and has long red hair that he keeps tied back in a rather cool pony tail. It's rather creepy, actually...I might start calling him Bill! :) -- JoAnna From dirranecor at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:45:00 2000 From: dirranecor at yahoo.com (dirranecor) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3922 From: dirranecor Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3880] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 6:45 pm (ET) Don't get upset, but for some reason I'm thinking of Susan Sarandon for McGonagall. But, I think a British cast would really make the movie. Nothing is worse than when actors try to feign an accent. From mellypf at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 22:56:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3923 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3922] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 6:56 pm (ET) "Don't get upset, but for some reason I'm thinking of Susan Sarandon for McGonagall. But, I think a British cast would really make the movie. Nothing is worse than when actors try to feign an accent. " I could also see Susan Sarandon as McGonagall, but I also agree that it *has* to be a British cast. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:06:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:06:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3924 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3917] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 7:06 pm (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> Even at the end of Book 4, there is no concrete evidence, only Harry's word. >>> "No, there's evidence that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater...the mark on his arm. " This is again assuming that it Lucius. I can remember no reason to assume that the Death Eaters were male. It could have been Narcissa.>>>>>>>>> No, Voldemort addresses him by his first name when he approaches him in the circle. "Lucius my old friend...." Narcissa however could also have been in the circle. When Harry and Ron run into Draco in the woods they surmise "I'll bet your parents are out there wearing the masks..." To which he replies "If they were, I wouldn't be telling you...." One assumes that narcissa would have been with Draco if she were not out there with the masked ones. By the way I find what they were doing to those muggles to be one of the the most disturbing thing sin the book. *shudder* From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:43:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:43:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3925 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3819] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 7:43 pm (ET) Sorry all you yanks, but - YES! Hooo Har! I love it - if you weren't all so cheery I would suggest it! I bet it would go the other way around in the film. Us brits are getting a bad deal historically. Especially this film about the Enigma machine - grrrrr. Nicholas I've often thought it would be fun to cast all the Slytheriens as Americans and keep the rest of the characters British GREAT IDEA!!!!!! From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:52:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3926 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3820] Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 7:52 pm (ET) Wel, here are my insane ramblings for you; I finished book 4 on monday, at 5am, and met JKR 8 hours later! I said "Great, Brilliant - I loved book 4, brilliant" to her - I think she got the message! She grinned at me and said thanks! This should hopefullly be enough to stop you lot seeing the message via the web. I never look to see how big the preview is, I get all this by e-mail. Spoiler Lolliopo Lollipop ooooh Lolli lollipop etc etc etc Spolier > > > > > > Draco Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle - I really though it was great - seeing Dumbledore so and angry. He has always been so calm, so it was a very very powerfull scene. I was shocked about Nevilles parents, I personally hops someone gets revenge, and all the Voldemort supporers get the beating of thie lives. I knew the Malfoys were totall gits, but I would get the lot of 'em. Shame Dumbledore can't expell Draco - he hasn't really done anything. Nicholas From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:56:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: Trekkers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3927 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Trekkers.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3913] Re: Trekkers.... Date: 7/11/00 7:56 pm (ET) >I was informed the first time that I used the >term trekkie that it was incorrect, and proper >star trek fans call themselves "trekkers". This >isn't saying this is the opinion of all >trekkers, but I was told this by quite a few >members of the local starship, and I find it >believable. The term trekkie is meant to be >quite deragatory, an insult. The Trekker - Trekkie distinction is kind of an old one which may be part of Nicholas's confusion. In the days before the first movie, Trekkie was definitely a bad thing to call someone. They were non-believers. Infidels. Folks who used the term sci-fi rather than the more appropriate SF. After the movies and the new series, a whole new bunch of fans came in who didn't care and Trekkie became more common usage. From winged_misanthrope at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 23:58:00 2000 From: winged_misanthrope at yahoo.com (winged_misanthrope) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3928 From: winged_misanthrope Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #3925] Re: Casting Date: 7/11/00 7:58 pm (ET) Carlsson79 wrote: >>>I've often thought it would be fun to cast all the Slytheriens as Americans and keep the rest of the characters British<<< Hahaha. This cracks me up. But Draco Malfoy looks insufferably British to me. :) From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:14:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:14:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3929 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3829] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 8:14 pm (ET) Im just glad I finished book 4! You could have made that sound more like helpfull advice - It could gt taken the wrong way! Nicholas > but seriously, folks, if you havent read Book 4 yet you probably shouldnt be reading this newsgroup From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:16:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3930 From: norevoli Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3840] Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Date: 7/11/00 8:16 pm (ET) In response to a SPOILER!!! S P O I L E R W A R N I N G ! <<Confession-I liked how it was made obvious that Dumbledore really does trust Snape. And how Snape and Sirius had to shake hands at the end...>> >Uh... I'd have to disagree... >First Dumbledore clearly says that >..."I will >settle, in the short term, for a >lack of open >hostility. You will shake hands. >You are on the >same side now." >No where in that part of the book is there >really and shown sign that Dumbledore doesn't >trust Snape. In fact, IMO, he would trust him >with his life. Hi! Umm, I'm sorry, I think you or I misunderstood. I meant that I DO like that Snape was shown as someone Dumbledore trusts. It looks like you're saying the same thing?? So, I think that we are agreeing. 0_o MJ. OH I'm so sorry! I think I better go and shut the oven door on my ears!!! Stupid, stupid stupid!! Sorry! norevoli From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:17:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: News coverage of the book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3931 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: News coverage of the book Date: 7/11/00 8:17 pm (ET) This may be old hat for some of you but Yahoo has a special page that is nothing but coverage of the Harry Potter series. They have several nice stories. http://fullcoverage.yahoo.com/Full_Coverage/Entertainment/Harry_Potter From brp13 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:35:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3932 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3908] Re: Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 8:35 pm (ET) There are quite a few people who say Voldemort. Let's see. Lupin, Sirus, Harry, Dumbledoor, and I think 2 from book 4. But there are a few. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:39:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:39:00 -0400 Subject: Just Thought About Something.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3933 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Just Thought About Something.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3892] Just Thought About Something.... Date: 7/11/00 8:39 pm (ET) "Why does the house of Slytherin even exist?? If Dumbledore, knows the qualities it fosters, usually lead to powerful dark magic, why not discontinue the house's existence, all together?? " Well... just because you get rid of a house, doesn't mean that the people that would be suited for that house are all of a sudden going to disappear off the face of the planet. Slytherins have as much choice in becoming evil as any of the other houses do. Think of it in Dumbledore's position: Would you rather have these kids learning the tricks of the trade from someone else who would manipulate these kids into being "evil" for sure?? At least with a house there at Hogwarts the kids are given a place to grow in magic that is not manipulative in any sort of way. One thing that I notice that people tend to over look is that life is a choice: you choose to be on the good side, you choose to be on the dark side. Hogwarts offers these kids that choice, and no one can tell them which choice to make. (think of harry and the sorting hat) besides, not all slytherin are evil you know and I'm willing to bet that maybe some of Voldemort's deatheaters were from other houses... norevoli From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:49:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:49:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3934 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3914] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/11/00 8:49 pm (ET) Git Pronounced to sound like hit, with the gi from guilt Nicholas From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 00:56:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3935 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3917] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/11/00 8:56 pm (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> Even at the end of Book 4, there is no concrete evidence, only Harry's word. >>> "No, there's evidence that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater...the mark on his arm. " <<This is again assuming that it Lucius. I can remember no reason to assume that the Death Eaters were male. It could have been Narcissa.>> uh, wait..didn't harry at least *hear* the death eaters talking to Lord Voldemort?? Because then right there he would know that Malfoy at least, had to be Lucius Malfoy. I believe that he's never heard Narcissa speak and I'm sure he already knows the difference between Lucius and Draco's drawling voice. And now the deatheater mark thing... Even if they do have that on their arm, there is again the defence that most of these slime balls have taken: that they were under spells when they did what they did, and didn't know what they were doing. So even if Lucius has that mark on his arm, it only proves that he was a death eater, but willingly or not no one but Harry and whoever believe him will know the truth... "I think that dear old Draco will stay at home with mommy Narcissa, while Daddy goes off to help overthrow the world. I don't know if he'll go to Hogwarts," <<This would make it very obvious as to the loyalties of the Malfoy family. They would be giving up any suggestion that they are a respectable family.>> I agree with that. Now that Crouch is gone, and with no one but Harry's word, Draco can come back to school, especially since Lucius has got Fudge wrapped around his little finger with his contributions and all norevoli From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: Dancing..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3936 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Dancing..... Date: 7/11/00 9:04 pm (ET) Yeah!!!! Got my check, it's been deposited, and I can now finalize my Amazon order! HP on the way to my front door, yeah!!!!!!! Grins. Had to share! Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:10:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: That sounds right-trekkers.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3937 From: GypsyCaine Subject: That sounds right-trekkers.... Date: 7/11/00 9:10 pm (ET) The last convention I attended was '95, so that does sound about right. I also knew the rule about sf (winks!). Thanks for the vote of staying all! Dee From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:10:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: Dancing..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3938 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Dancing..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3936] Dancing..... Date: 7/11/00 9:10 pm (ET) >>> Yeah!!!! Got my check, it's been deposited, and I can now finalize my Amazon order! HP on the way to my front door, yeah!!!!!!! Grins. Had to share! Dee >>> Yay, Dee!! I'm happy for you! :) Enjoy! -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:18:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: What I've Learned From Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3939 From: pt4ever Subject: What I've Learned From Harry Potter Date: 7/11/00 9:18 pm (ET) Hey, y'all, go here: http://www.fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=9271 It's a list of things we've learned from Harry Potter. My favorite: "7. Stealing your parents' car and crashing it into the Whomping Willow is not a good way to start term." LOL! Enjoy! -- JoAnna From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:29:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV on tape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3940 From: dee_97527 Subject: Book IV on tape Date: 7/11/00 9:29 pm (ET) The tapes (all 12 of them) came today. Even though I had finished the book twice, I started listening. Sounds great. S P O I L E R T A M U S P A C E Because I really wanted to hear chapters 32 on I switched to tape 11. Jim Dale has done a really great job of chapters 32, 33, & 34. I haven't finished it yet. This part would really be good around a campfire in the dead of night with no moon. Diann From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:41:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:41:00 -0400 Subject: error in my US edition SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3941 From: heiditandy Subject: error in my US edition SPOILER Date: 7/11/00 9:41 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e c a d e t The bottom of page 712: "Time is short and unless the few of us who know the truth do not stand united, there is no hope for any us." 2 errors in there - 1. the bulk of the sentence should be EITHER: (a) Time is short and if the few of us who know the truth do not stand united... OR (b) Time is short and unless the few of us who know the truth do stand united... and 2. The word "of" is missing between "any" and "us". If anyone gets a 2nd printing or later, can you please let us know if this is corrected? From galileo_did at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 01:57:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: A Concern Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3942 From: galileo_did Subject: A Concern Date: 7/11/00 9:57 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Just finished the book, and I wanted to ask: is anyone else concerned about this sentence, concerning the fact that Voldemort has used Harry's blood to reawaken himself, and is now able to touch him... "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes." ??? (chapter 36, page 696, US version.) Can anyone offer me some reassurance on this? Please? I don't want to believe that Dumbledore is in any way part of the Death Eaters.... ACK!! What do you guys think?? Galileo From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:01:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: error in my US edition SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3943 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: error in my US edition SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #3941] error in my US edition SPOILER Date: 7/11/00 10:01 pm (ET) I saw that too!! I would love to email the editors.... From dreyba at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:20:00 2000 From: dreyba at yahoo.com (dreyba) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 question..so spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3944 From: dreyba Subject: Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3730] book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/11/00 10:20 pm (ET) SPOILER some spoilers aren't long enough - you shouldn't be able to see the message when you initially open it up. (and, boy, I hope this is long enough!!) X X X X X X X X X X X X X XX X X X X X XX X X x x x x x XX X I think Dumbledore "triumph" was because he heard that Voldemort got some of Harry's blood - and thus got some of Lily's "spell" or whatever protects Harry. So we can assume that Dumbledore is on top of stuff and has plans of which we have no knowlege. I think that Snapes "task" is to be a spy - to convince the Death Eaters or V himself that Snape is still true and to report what's going on to Dumbledore. Also note that Harry has to stay with the Dursleys because of Dumbledore's powerful spell involving protection while you're with your blood relatives. Finally, I'm getting a "Lord of the Rings" feeling here - Big dark lord and little people trying to stop him with magical help. Barbara From brians_christian_side at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:23:00 2000 From: brians_christian_side at yahoo.com (brians_christian_side) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:23:00 -0400 Subject: "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3945 From: brians_christian_side Subject: "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/11/00 10:23 pm (ET) Sad but true. All of the "magic" and "super natural wizardry" can only cause harm in the mids of young children. On behalf of the CoCC, Councel of Conservitive Citizens, Boycott Harry Potter. http://www.cocc.org From dreyba at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:24:00 2000 From: dreyba at yahoo.com (dreyba) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:24:00 -0400 Subject: spoiler space Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3946 From: dreyba Subject: Re: spoiler space Reply To: [Yahoo! #3736] Re: spoiler space Date: 7/11/00 10:24 pm (ET) now you'll have to explain what "bugger" means (VBG ;} :}. Barara From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3947 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/11/00 10:27 pm (ET) Why is it that when something doesn't fit the fanatical christians' idea of a "perfect, Godly world" they must attack it with all the force behind them. There are some right-christian leaders I agree with, on some things (Love Dobson on his Dare to Discipline), but Falwell, and a few of the others just make me shake my head and wonder where on earth in the Bible it says "Thou shalt not read Harry Potter?" I am a wiccan, a fan of the Teletubbies, and a fan of Harry Potter. I think, that to poor Mr. Jerry that I am definately headed for hell. Just a point of view. Don't take my comments too seriously. Dee From dreyba at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:33:00 2000 From: dreyba at yahoo.com (dreyba) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Title Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3948 From: dreyba Subject: Re: Book 4 Title Reply To: [Yahoo! #3749] Book 4 Title Date: 7/11/00 10:33 pm (ET) I agree - it occurred to me several times while reading the book. Besides "Goblet" is an awkward and ugly word - even "Chalice" would have been better. "Doomspell Tournament" would have been the best title. Barbara From sakerio at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:36:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:36:00 -0400 Subject: Outta the woodworks as usual Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3949 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Outta the woodworks as usual Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/11/00 10:36 pm (ET) Well I was truly wondering how long it would take for the crackpots to start hollering. This is not my board or I would delete you. The name of the board is "Harry Potter for Grown Ups"!! It implies that we like the book, if you don't there are some boards for people like you, try them. Read your bible and understand it better, before trying to shove it down others throat. Rio From galileo_did at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:39:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3950 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/11/00 10:39 pm (ET) Guess what bucko. Harry Potter not only shows children that it's okay to be comfortable with what makes you different, it's also cool to embrace those differences and turn them to your advantage. Also, the books teach children to accept differences in others and treat them as friends instead of outcasts. In the latest book (and I'll try not to throw out any spoliers here) there are several instances and examples of courage, bravery, friendship, compassion, unconditional love, and valiance. I doubt that you've read the books -- otherwise you may have a different opinion. Before you preach about it, learn about it; all you've managed to do this evening is make a bunch of people angry and push away your cause rather than accept it. If you're trying to alienate more people from God's word, congratulations... you've completed your task. Galileo From galileo_did at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:42:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3951 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3950] Re: Date: 7/11/00 10:42 pm (ET) By the way, that last message was for you, Mr. Falwell. Read and heed. Galileo From sakerio at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 02:46:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:46:00 -0400 Subject: The crackpot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3952 From: sakerio Subject: The crackpot Date: 7/11/00 10:46 pm (ET) If I had read your profile first I would not have even bothered with a response. You are probably not even a beleiver. Sad that you have nothing better to do with your time. People like you give true Christians and believers a bad name, and most of them do not deserve the backfire caused by people(and I use that term out of respect for the board) just like you. Get help.... Rio From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 03:01:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3953 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Date: 7/11/00 11:01 pm (ET) Who knows what he might be thinking? The one thing I do know is that he always seems to have a good view of the larger picture and is typically one step ahead of everyone. I am reading in here: What protected harry was the love of his mother, and Voldemort wanted that same kind of protection. Well, love makes one vulnerable-- and human. Dumbledore knows even if Voldemort does not that his strength is bound to also be his weakness in the end. Also, Lily's love is for Harry-- not Voldemort. Her love for Harry protected Harry, and though taking that away from him might give Voldemort the ability to touch Harry and feel some kind of protection as well, I cannot believe that he will be able to walk around with something that has been touched by love flowing in his veins and not be made vulnerable. What this means is that now Voldemort can be conquered. It actually IS an adantage in the long run, even if right now his rebirth feels like a set-back. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 03:06:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: The Crackpot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3954 From: plinsenmayer Subject: The Crackpot Date: 7/11/00 11:06 pm (ET) Guys: Let's not bait this person, please! Just ignore him. I suspect he was a one-time poster and won't bother us anymore. No need to get worked up, because I assure you that if this guy becomes a problem, we can deal with it. For now, let's ignore him, okay? I don't want to get bogged down with name-calling between us (the fans) and a small minority of rabble-rousers who have nothing better to do with their time. We have more important things to discuss (GoF). <g> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 03:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:10:00 -0400 Subject: Gentle Reminder from your Founder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3955 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Gentle Reminder from your Founder Date: 7/11/00 11:10 pm (ET) Hi: This is a gentle reminder from the founder re: spoilers! Please use them re: Book 4 -- subject headings should remain ambiguous and include the word spoiler (& a chapter reference preferably). Put plenty of space & garbledygook at the beginning of your message. Thanks ever so -- Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 03:26:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Number One Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3956 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Number One Date: 7/11/00 11:26 pm (ET) I know this will be of Earth shattering importance to all of you but... Yahoo Clubs lists clubs within each category by the number of members. This one is now the largest Harry Potter club on the list. (There is one role playing club that is larger.) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 04:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Dedication Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3957 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Dedication Date: 7/12/00 12:05 am (ET) To all those who made me feel loved this afternoon! http://www.justsaywow.com/roseoffriendship.htm Thanks! Dee From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 04:10:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Site New Look Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3958 From: angelx_ph Subject: Movie Site New Look Date: 7/12/00 12:10 am (ET) You guys should check out the movie site: http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/ It's got a cool new look and it already has the exact release date. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 04:18:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!!! (Minor) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3959 From: angelx_ph Subject: SPOILERS!!! (Minor) Date: 7/12/00 12:18 am (ET) I'm about to start Chapter 16. I'm having a great time reading it. For those of you who hasn't read the book or hasn't reached this chapter, DON'T READ ANY OF THE FOLLOWING IF YOU WANT TO BE SURPRISED. But for those who are curious or has read that far already, what are your reactions to the following: 1. The name of Ron's owl is Pigwidgeon (Ron calls him "Pig") 2. The name of Draco's mom is Narcissa. 3. The new D.A.D.A. professor is Mad-Eye Moody. Boy, I loved it when he turned Malfoy into a ferret! 4. Colin Creevey has a younger wizard brother named Dennis. 5. There are at least two other wizarding schools in Europe: Beauxbatons (I believe it's pronounce bow-bay-tawn) and Durmstrang. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 04:41:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3960 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3912] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/12/00 12:41 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E <<I don't know if he'll go to Hogwarts, though...I would assume so, at least until Voldemort sets up an Academy for the Dark Arts.>> I guess Draco will have to attend 'Defence Against My Parents' classes. Neil From sage016 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:08:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:08:00 -0400 Subject: Audio Books Observation Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3961 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Audio Books Observation Reply To: [Yahoo! #3894] Audio Books Observation Date: 7/12/00 1:08 am (ET) haha penny! i noticed that too. :) From sage016 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:13:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:13:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3962 From: sage016 Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3947] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 1:13 am (ET) "I am a wiccan, a fan of the Teletubbies, and a fan of Harry Potter. I think, that to poor Mr. Jerry that I am definately headed for hell." hehe im wiccan too....although i dont like the teletubbies. just thought i'd share that ;) From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:13:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:13:00 -0400 Subject: GOF Humor - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3963 From: Danemead Subject: GOF Humor - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 1:13 am (ET) I noticed quite a few silly moments in GoF -- what I think of as "teen-age" humor (or at least what I remember WE giggled about when we were kids). One of my favorites is the moment when.... S P O I L E R T H I S S P A C E F O R R E N T When Dumbledore is rambling on about finding a totally unknown room full of chamber pots after taking a wrong turn during a midnight bathroom visit, and then musing on the magical conditions necessary to re-discover this lost room, which might include "a very full bladder" (Kids love this stuff, and I, too, found it a welcome relief to giggle my head off before plunging back into the serious stuff. From innwilly at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:15:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:15:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enlists Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3964 From: innwilly Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enlists Date: 7/12/00 1:15 am (ET) Hello everyone. I am an old lady of 56 who has been collecting and reading great children's literature since the age of four. Yes, that's right. My mother, a bookworm herself, taught me to read when I was so young I don't recall ever NOT being able to read. I own most of the familiar children's classics, as well as many which are no longer so easy to find (such as the full set of The Little Colonel series, L. T. Meade's books for girls, Elsie Dinsmore, Horatio Alger, Gene Stratton Porter, to name just a few.) I go on record as saying I am a Christian, and I frankly believe the uproar about the Harry Potter books is the worst sort of witch hunt (no pun intended). They consistently support the triumph of good over evil. They frankly state that love is the strongest magic of all. I don't recall ever reading of anyone objecting to The Wizard of Oz on religious grounds, though all the Oz books are full of magic and magical characters. I find the Potter books incredibly well written, with much better developed characters than most juvenile fiction, and I am proud to add them to my collection. I hope you will allow me to join your community and add my two cent's worth occasionally. From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:17:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:17:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3965 From: taj_de_asia Subject: Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3930] Re: SPOILERS!(For book 4) And cover art? Date: 7/12/00 1:17 am (ET) In response to a SPOILER!!! S P O I L E R W A R N I N G ! >>Hi! >Umm, I'm sorry, I think you or I misunderstood. >I meant that I DO like that Snape was shown as >someone Dumbledore trusts. It looks like you're >saying the same thing?? So, I think that we are >agreeing. 0_o >> >OH I'm so sorry! I think I better go and shut >the oven door on my ears!!! Stupid, stupid >stupid!! No worries!!:) I'm glad that someone else too likes Snape. I really do, even if he's nasty to Harry. I haven't seen much discussion about him, so far. For example, I wonder why, as a student, he arrived at Hogwart's knowing so many Dark Arts(? Do't have my GoF handy, but i think it was something like that) spells already. MJ. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:19:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3966 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3917] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/12/00 1:19 am (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> << This is again assuming that it Lucius. I can remember no reason to assume that the Death Eaters were male. It could have been Narcissa.>> At least one of the death eaters - Mrs Lestrange - was a woman, but I got the distinct impression that all the people in the graveyard scene were men. At least Mr Malfoy, Mr Crabbe and Mr Goyle were there, and the text refers to "wizards", rather than "witches and wizards" (okay, wizardkind, perhaps!) But, thinking about it, it's likely that some other women were there. I mean, what would Narcissa do - stay at home and iron Lucius' death eater robes? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3967 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3920] Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/12/00 1:21 am (ET) "The UK book First Edition has an error on page 150. Missing a word." Two different printers were used for the UK first edition. Mine was Clays Ltd, and there is no mistake on p150 that I can see. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:23:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3968 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3967] Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/12/00 1:23 am (ET) Two different printers were used for the UK first edition. Mine was Clays Ltd, and there is no mistake on p150 that I can see. I meant to say that they may have ended up with slightly different masters. What constitutes a second edition? Surely correcting one tiny error wouldn't count. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:32:00 -0400 Subject: spoiler space Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3969 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: spoiler space Reply To: [Yahoo! #3946] Re: spoiler space Date: 7/12/00 1:32 am (ET) <<now you'll have to explain what "bugger" means (VBG ;} :}.>> I'm assuming you know the ruder context, Barbara! In this context, a stupid or annoying thing/person ("you stupid bugger!") or a mild curse - ("Bugger! I've left the spoiler space out again"). It derives from the very JKR word "bugbear" ("that's a bit of a bugbear of mine" - i.e. a persistent annoyance). As bugger is also related to buggery or sodomy, "sod" is also used as a swear word in much the same way ("You stupid sod", "Sod it!"). That was my mother's special favourite when I was a kid :) Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 05:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:34:00 -0400 Subject: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3970 From: Danemead Subject: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Date: 7/12/00 1:34 am (ET) YO HO HO AND SOME S P O I L E R S P A C E Perhaps a sign of Harry's growing maturity... The Farewell Feast at the end of the book, where Harry and Snape look at each other, and Snape looks away, but Harry continues to study Snape for some time afterwards -- perhaps suddenly seeing him as a three-dimensional PERSON rather than just a cardbooard villain of a teacher. Although we couldn't hear Harry's thoughts, I still came away with the impression that Harry had grown up quite a bit. He's suddenly YEARS older than Ron, thanks to his ordeals. From brians_christian_side at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 07:38:00 2000 From: brians_christian_side at yahoo.com (brians_christian_side) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:38:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3971 From: brians_christian_side Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3962] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 3:38 am (ET) Thus I have proven my point, the book series draws low lifes, whom spreads thier opinions onto easy impersionable young christian minds. Lets Pray for these two misguided youths: Dear lord, please give us the strenth and knowlage to over come all that is corrupting your perfect world. Dear lord, give your children the insight yo see right and wrong, left and right, and any other directions that thier lifes may turn. Dear heavenly father, let harry potter pass along a message of hope, and inspire his readers to do well from there reading. Let them not pick up the evils that are carefully hidden in the book by the enemy of god. In the name of the father, son, and holy ghost, amen. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 07:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 03:56:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3972 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3966] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/12/00 3:56 am (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> << This is again assuming that it Lucius. I can remember no reason to assume that the Death Eaters were male. It could have been Narcissa.>> "At least one of the death eaters - Mrs Lestrange - was a woman, but I got the distinct impression that all the people in the graveyard scene were men. At least Mr Malfoy, Mr Crabbe and Mr Goyle were there, and the text refers to "wizards", rather than "witches and wizards" (okay, wizardkind, perhaps!) But, thinking about it, it's likely that some other women were there. I mean, what would Narcissa do - stay at home and iron Lucius' death eater robes?" This is basically my point. When I first read the chapter I assumed all the Death Eaters, bar the one Neil says above, to be male. Then I thought about this and could think of no justification. As only a few of the people are named I guess that it is likely that some are female. I could not see many standing by and letting their other halfs go off and support Voldemort unless they thought the same about him. Simon From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 08:09:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:09:00 -0400 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3973 From: smitster1 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 4:09 am (ET) ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Sorry if this has already been posted. I'm not reading ANY posts 'til I finish fearing that some people are playing by the rules. But I just had to post the funniest part (so far) in GOF. Ms. Rowling indicated that she was irritated at having to teach people how to pronounce 'Hermione.' And on p. 418 we have Hermione teaching us. Funny. Funny. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 08:15:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 04:15:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3974 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Reply To: [Yahoo! #3953] Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Date: 7/12/00 4:15 am (ET) Spoiler space fot The Goblet of Fire S P O I L E R S P A C E S P A C E "What this means is that now Voldemort can be conquered. It actually IS an adantage in the long run, even if right now his rebirth feels like a set-back." As Voldemort says: 'I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before chasing immortal. I set my sights lower ... I would settle for my old body back again, and my old strength.' This leaves the question of how long he will stay mortal for. He spent may years originally turning himself immortal and it worked, but left him as a bodyless 'spirit'. He will know where he went wrong the first time and be starting again to get it right! Also said by Voldemort: 'But how to get at Harry Potter? For he has been better protected than I think even he knows, protected in ways devised by Dumbledore long ago, when it fell to him to arrange the boy's future. Dumbledore invoked an ancient magic, to ensure the boy's protection as long as he is in his relations' care. Not even I can touch him there.' Does this mean that the protection is on Harry when he is with the Dursley's or when he is in Privet Drive? I would assume the former. Does this mean Dumbledore would do anything in his power to make sure the Dursley's live? I would like to know the Dursley's reaction if they ever found out about this! Simon From catzfavre at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 09:40:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:40:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3975 From: catzfavre Subject: Harry's parents Date: 7/12/00 5:40 am (ET) Something to ponder: I have started to reread the four books and I started to wonder what houses Harry's parents belonged to. I don't remember if that was mentioned in any of the books, but Harry WAS supposed to go into the Slytherin house... From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 11:22:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:22:00 -0400 Subject: Casting and Gypsycaine.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3976 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting and Gypsycaine.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #3919] Re: Casting and Gypsycaine.... Date: 7/12/00 7:22 am (ET) Thanks arawa_99! I was starting to think I was a newbie just being attacked! From Orrianne at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 11:32:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:32:00 -0400 Subject: Questions and Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3977 From: Orrianne Subject: Questions and Thoughts Date: 7/12/00 7:32 am (ET) S p o i l e r s p a c e -------------------------------------------------- I somehow doubt that Lily and James Potter were in Slytherin, and I think that they most likely were in Griffyndor. I think, though, that Snape was in Slytherin while he was there. I wonder if Lily, James, Sirius, Peter Wormtail and Lupin had the sort of friendship and relationship in Griffyndor as do Hermione, Harry, Ron and Neville. I remember that when Lupin and Sirius spoke of Peter in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban I was reminded of Neville. A great part of Voldemort's power lied on Peter's betrayal of his friends, and I wonder if Neville will have a role in the future which will hinge around him and yet... I feel Neville would make a different choice than Peter. Isn't speculating fun? In any case, I'm also interested in Snape's story. Oddly enough, despite his hatred and ill-treatment of Potter, I trust Snape. As for Dumbledore, I trust him completely. That spark of triumuph in his eyes - my guess is that he knows something about Lily Potter's protection and how Harry's blood will affect Voldemort that even Voldemort doesn't. The idea that Dumbledore is actually a Death Eater doesn't make any sense, unfortunately. I love how the characters have aged in the books - we see it but we aren't beaten over the head with it. From the time Harry defied his Uncle, you could tell he was in his teens and no longer a child, and that subtly grew for all the characters throughout the books. Harry's crush on Cho Chang, for example. :: laugh :: And what will Miss Granger do with Krum and Ron both vying for her attention? I look forward to the eventual blossoming of romance between Ron and Hermione, but I wonder who the real girl for Harry is. I don't think it's Cho, and I don't think it's Ginny either. :: sigh :: So much more to look forward to. I guess we'll just have to keep guessing until the series is over. Personally, I want bodyguards on Rowlings to ensure /nothing/ happens to her before this series is over! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 12:02:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:02:00 -0400 Subject: Mystery man on the back of Book 1 (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3978 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Mystery man on the back of Book 1 (OT) Date: 7/12/00 8:02 am (ET) Remember the debate we had about the mystery man on back of some editions of ...Philosopher's Stone? I contacted the publisher, Bloomsbury, around that time, and asked them who it was meant to be. I mentioned a number of alternatives, based on our discussion. Turns out it wasn't Nicholas Flamel after all. Here's what they said: "Now have the answer for you: your third surmise was correct, ie it was a generic wizarding character who was later changed to the identifiable Dumbledore. All best Stephanie Duncan bloomsbury.com" *** Neil From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:00:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Idea about Book 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3979 From: sigma94 Subject: Idea about Book 3 Date: 7/12/00 9:00 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E OK, I was wondering if anyone else noticed a similarity between Peter Pettigrew and and Colin from Book 2?? Wonder if anything similar will play out where he defends Harry like Peter defended his father!? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:14:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Penny, please? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3980 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: CoCC Penny, please? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3971] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 9:14 am (ET) Now we are being called Low-lifes? Interesting tactics. I understand that all club members are not totally get along at all times, but I always believed (if you will forgive me for this) in turning the other cheek, and trying to talk things out. Did Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount not say that we should love our neighbor, and bless them that hate you? Brian, I wish you well, and hope you receive the enlightenment that you seek. Dee From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:16:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:16:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard $$$ Denominations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3981 From: sigma94 Subject: Wizard $$$ Denominations Date: 7/12/00 9:16 am (ET) Does anyone know what the $$ denominations are? IE how many knuts=a galleon? Is that ever mentioned? From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:27:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:27:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3982 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/12/00 9:27 am (ET) Please tell me that you're joking. I could get into a VERY extended debate about this but will not until the gauntlet has been thrown down. Jess From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:32:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3983 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3947] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 9:32 am (ET) Go GYPSY!!!!! I being Witta agree with you more than whole heartedly. Beyond that I have read the works by LeVey, just to see what all of the fuss is about and all that his version of Satanism includes in hedonism in all ways possible. Perhaps this person should check out the theory behind Mormonism and the fact that many of them feel that they will become just as powerful as their God when they die. ARGH! Why are people so closed minded? Frustration sinking in! Jess From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:41:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:41:00 -0400 Subject: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3984 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3970] Snape and Harry - Spoiler Date: 7/12/00 9:41 am (ET) YO HO HO AND SOME S P O I L E R S P A C E >>At the Farewell Feast at the end of the book, >>where Harry and Snape look at each other, and >>Snape looks away, but Harry continues to study >>Snape for some time afterwards -- perhaps >>suddenly seeing him as a three-dimensional >>PERSON rather than just a cardbooard villain of >>a teacher. Although we couldn't hear Harry's >>thoughts, I still came away with the impression >>that Harry had grown up quite a bit. He's >>suddenly YEARS older than Ron, thanks to his >>ordeals. And I got the impression (and maybe I'm reading too much into this scene) but maybe Snape has a bit more respect for Harry as well...although Snape was not privy to the details of the ordeal, Snape must be aware that Harry met up with V and once again lived to tell about it. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:43:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3985 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #3964] Children's Literature Collector Enlists Date: 7/12/00 9:43 am (ET) Inwilly's post got me wondering, and I have a feeling this could go very far off topic, how many other people on this board, like my and Inwilly, collect children's literature in general? I do - I also started reading at least by the time I was 4, and have a pretty fun collection of kids books - only ones I liked - and that's why I started reading the Harry Potter books - I was told, back in Jan. or Feb. 1998, that they were great children's books and I would love them - and only while reading it did I (and my husband) realize that they were so much more! From standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 13:49:00 2000 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 at yahoo.com (standardbookofspellsgrade7) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:49:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3986 From: standardbookofspellsgrade7 Subject: Re: Harry's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #3975] Harry's parents Date: 7/12/00 9:49 am (ET) But was he really supposed to go into Slytherin, wasn't that just because of the traits that Voldemort imprinted on him during that fateful day? And the fact that he pulled the sword out proved he didn't belong in Slytherin. Standard Book of Spells Grade 7 From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 14:03:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3987 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #3985] Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Date: 7/12/00 10:03 am (ET) <<how many other people on this board, like me and Inwilly, collect children's literature in general?>> I do, too! But that could also be due to the fact that I'm just a big kid at heart. I still have my entire collection of Nancy Drew mysteries. I wonder what they're worth now? Not that I'd ever consider getting rid of them, of course! I've also been reading since I was four. My mother taught me very early, because I was a preemie (2 months), and the doctor warned her that I could end up being slow...Ha! She wanted me to get a jump start. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 14:06:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3988 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #3987] Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Date: 7/12/00 10:06 am (ET) I used to collect the "Babysitter's Club" series, but gave it to my local library back in NYC when I moved... From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 14:34:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: About the Crackpot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3989 From: rainy_lilac Subject: About the Crackpot Date: 7/12/00 10:34 am (ET) Just laugh it off, guys. I know this person's self-righteousness and spiritual narcissicm is annoying, but it is about him, not us, and certainly not about HP. Debating him is pointless, because he is not going to listen or open up. He is exactly like the Pharisees Christ condemned in the New Testament. Just move on and enjoy the books! --Suzanne From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 14:48:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:48:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's behavior Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3990 From: triner2001 Subject: Snape's behavior Date: 7/12/00 10:48 am (ET) Don't know for sure if this needs some spoiler space but just to be sure I'll put some in. I * H A V E * R E A D * G O B L E T * O F * F I R E * T W I C E Just a thought about Snape's notoriously cranky behaviour towards our young hero. He never has been nice to him, as we all know, but I think it has less to do with the feud he had with the senior Potter than we have previously thought. Since he was a death eater turned spy and knows that Lucius Malfoy was one of the DE's, perhaps he is loath to demonstrate anything that remotely look like support of Harry because Draco (a Slytherin) is not beneath sending off an owl to daddy dearest reporting such behavior. If the possibility of Voldemort returning had been dreamt of by his supporters, word that a former DE was now protecting the boy who brought about his downfall would not go over well when V returned. Therefore, Snape's ill-temper could make it easier for him to engage in espionage with a bit more safety than if he had treated Harry with a bit more leniency. Naturally, the ill-will between James and his cohorts and Snape was a good cover for how he feels about Harry. This is not to say that he is not just good at carrying a grudge against Prongs and his pals, of course. Trina From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:05:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's behavior Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3991 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Snape's behavior Reply To: [Yahoo! #3990] Snape's behavior Date: 7/12/00 11:05 am (ET) Snape's feeling about Harry are multi-layered to say the least. 1.) He has a grudge against James because of the practical joke, an explanation which I flet from the outset did not explain everything. 2.) As confirmed by Dumbledore, he is no longer on the side of Voldemort (If ind this very convincing)-- yet still seems to get a lot of approval from the Malfoys. I cannot remember Lucius ever interacting with him, but Draco said at one point that he has told his father many times what a fine teacher Snape is. 3.) We do know that whatever his feeligns might be about Potter, he went well out of his way to protect him in the first book. Theories: 1.) Is Snape guarding his ass by favoring Malfoy and antagonizing Potter? I dunno.... maybe, but I think there are some real mixed feelings there. If he were simply being cautious and did not want to let on about his real loyalties, I would imagine he sunk himself by protecting Harry from Quirrell. 2.) Thoroughly unconfirmed rumor: Snape was in love with Lily and tried to protect her from Voldemort. Harry is a constant reminder of his failure to do so. 3.) In The Connection interview, a caller asked Rowling "Will Snape fall in love?" She was did not give away much in her answer, but she did say that she was thunderstruck that someone would ask that because there will be something important about Snape which we will learn later on. (Can someone dig up her exact words?) I have to say at this point, I really like Snape. I think he is one of the most complex xharacters in the book! From brewergirl at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:07:00 2000 From: brewergirl at yahoo.com (BrewerGirl) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:07:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3992 From: BrewerGirl Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #3985] Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Date: 7/12/00 11:07 am (ET) I read quite a lot of children's literature and love it. My sister is just finishing a master's in children's lit and sometimes gives me suggestions ... otherwise I re-read old favorites and try out new ones. Not to promote another group, but I'm in a group called "Children's Literature for Adults." It used to be an AOL group but has now moved to an Internet-based message board. If you're interested .. http://readinggroupsonline.com/group/childrensliteratureforadults.html BrewerGirl From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:22:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard $$$ Denominations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3993 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Wizard $$$ Denominations Reply To: [Yahoo! #3981] Wizard $$$ Denominations Date: 7/12/00 11:22 am (ET) "Does anyone know what the $$ denominations are? IE how many knuts=a galleon? Is that ever mentioned?" >From chapter five: Diagon Alley in PS. Hagrid says "The gold ones are Galleons, Seventeen silver Sickles to a Galleon and twenty-nine Knuts to a Sickle, it's easy enough" Also the Knuts are bronze. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:29:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's behavior -spoilers for book4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3994 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Snape's behavior -spoilers for book4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3991] Re: Snape's behavior Date: 7/12/00 11:29 am (ET) The following post contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * * * "3.) In The Connection interview, a caller asked Rowling "Will Snape fall in love?" She was did not give away much in her answer, but she did say that she was thunderstruck that someone would ask that because there will be something important about Snape which we will learn later on." Have we not just learnt something very important about Snape. I was very much shocked to learn that he was a Death Eater. "2.) Thoroughly unconfirmed rumor: Snape was in love with Lily and tried to protect her from Voldemort. Harry is a constant reminder of his failure to do so." If this is true it could explain why he changed from supporting Voldemort to being a spy. If he learned that Voldemort planned to kill the Potter's then he may have tried his best to protect them. It seems likely that it ws his information that sent the Potter's into hidding. I would assume that Dumbledore made him a teacher when Voldemort lost his powers. This would explain why Snape wants the DADA job but getting it would provide too much cause for concern with some. Simon From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:30:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard $$$ Denominations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3995 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Wizard $$$ Denominations Reply To: [Yahoo! #3993] Re: Wizard $$$ Denominations Date: 7/12/00 11:30 am (ET) THANKS!!!!!!!! From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:34:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: Still reading! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3996 From: S_Ings Subject: Still reading! Date: 7/12/00 11:34 am (ET) Just wanted to jump in quickly, before going back to the book. I'm trying to catch up with the posts (made it to 3700 so far) and read in between the volunteer work I'm doing (which will continue to take up most of my days and evenings until next week). I had ordered this copy for my nephew from Chapters online last week. I was informed that they could no longer guarantee Saturday delivery. I thought, oh well, I won't have time to read it anyway. Imagine my surprise to find Canada Post at my door on Saturday (how anyone got them to work on the weekend I'll never know!). In any event, I've made it to Chapter 16 so far - much to the chagrin of my fellow volunteers. I keep leaving evening fundraisers early so I can get a few more chapters done before bed! I look forward to finally finishing the book and having the time to jump into some discussions here. Sheryll P.S. My 16 year old daughter said she figures she's missing something and wants to start borrowing the books from her cousin. Guess Harrymania is contagious! From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:36:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: New Members Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3997 From: babynick34 Subject: New Members Date: 7/12/00 11:36 am (ET) I've just noticed how many people have joined the last few days... HI TO ALL 24 on 11th July 19 on 10th July I do hope the NY TIMES puts the books in the Adult best seller list... as we here are proof that adults do read the books! Nick. PS... To the new members, how did you find out about us. Did you all read the Washington Post? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:38:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:38:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3998 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 11:38 am (ET) I still want to figure out the approxmiate exchange rate between Galleons and Dollars, or galleons and pounds. The only way I can think of doing this is to find items in the books which are given exact prices, and compare them to what the same items might cost in muggle money. Of course I have no idea how much a magic wand would cost in muggle money... *sigh* Any ideas guys? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:40:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Questions and Thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C3999 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Questions and Thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #3977] Questions and Thoughts Date: 7/12/00 11:40 am (ET) Contains spoilers for all books and especially for book 4. S p o i l e r s p a c e -------------------------------------------------- "I somehow doubt that Lily and James Potter were in Slytherin, and I think that they most likely were in Griffyndor. I think, though, that Snape was in Slytherin while he was there. " I have always thought that the details we have got of Lily would make her more likely to be Ravenclaw. We are told that Snape and James were in the same year (but the comments about the Serverus / James situation being like Harry / Draco makes it likely this is the case) and we are also told the names of quite a few of Snape's year that were members of Slytherin. This means that the Marauders were in one of the other houses and I would guess that they were in the same one. "I remember that when Lupin and Sirius spoke of Peter in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban I was reminded of Neville. <snip> I feel Neville would make a different choice than Peter." I would hope so after the information that we were given about his parents. This totally amazed me and was one of the most unexpected questions answered by book 4 (I am still calling it this - it has become such a natural description I seem unable to move over to using the proper title). "Isn't speculating fun?" Another year of speculation coming up and almost all of it will be wrong if book 4 is anything to go by! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:41:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: No point to this message really Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4000 From: hert0661 Subject: No point to this message really Date: 7/12/00 11:41 am (ET) 4000 messages! Simon From yrbecca_call at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:41:00 2000 From: yrbecca_call at yahoo.com (yrbecca_call) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4001 From: yrbecca_call Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #3987] Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Date: 7/12/00 11:41 am (ET) Yup another collector, and an early reader to boot. I collect primarily old copies of Alice in Wonderland, but also other British Childerens Literature. Learned to read at 4 on Reader digest ( hey it was around) and was into my 1st Shakespear by 4th grade. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:43:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: New Members Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4002 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: New Members Reply To: [Yahoo! #3997] New Members Date: 7/12/00 11:43 am (ET) Thanks for the welcome! I watch "HomePage" on MSNBC faithfully. I am a big fan (I was actually a call in viewer a few weeks ago!). I taped the 1/2 hour of Pottermania stuff on Friday and they mentioned the club. I am already a member of about 10 other Yahoo clubs, why not one more!!! From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:43:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4003 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3972] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/12/00 11:43 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R Don't be silly, she'd have her house elf do it. I assume they got a new one by now. >But, thinking about it, it's likely that some other women were there. I mean, what would Narcissa do - stay at home and iron Lucius' death eater robes? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:47:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4004 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #3998] Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 11:47 am (ET) "I still want to figure out the approxmiate exchange rate between Galleons and Dollars, or galleons and pounds. The only way I can think of doing this is to find items in the books which are given exact prices, and compare them to what the same items might cost in muggle money" In PoA Hermione says she has 10 Galleons left, which her parents have given her to get a birthday present. With this she gets Crookshanks. I hope this helps you work out a rough exchange rate. I am unsure on how much a cat would cost from a pet store so will leave it to someone else to work out how much that furball would cost in muggle money. Simon PS: I do not like cats - I am allergic to them! Crookshanks is almost likeable as cats go! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Literature Collector Enli Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4005 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Reply To: [Yahoo! #4001] Re: Children's Literature Collector Enli Date: 7/12/00 11:48 am (ET) I love children's literature, but I have a feeling that's because I am a kid at heart, grins! I too enjoy Alice, in both her books, as well as C.S. Lewis, and alot of other books. I think I might have to list out my books one by one (Grins wider) to tell you my favorites among that list. Tooooo many books in the bedroom--milk crates are my friends. Dee From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:04:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:04:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4006 From: sigma94 Subject: Casting: Snape Date: 7/12/00 12:04 pm (ET) I just saw the drawing of Snape in the beginning of Chapter 14 in PofA and he looks just like the actor that played in "Ever After"... You know, the one that Danielle was sold to towards the end of the movie! From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:07:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:07:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Neville Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4007 From: sigma94 Subject: Casting: Neville Date: 7/12/00 12:07 pm (ET) Idea for Neville Longbottom... Who saw Schindler's List? Maybe the little boy who jumped in the latrine to hide from the guards at the camp could play him? He was a wee little thing! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:33:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:33:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4008 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/12/00 12:33 pm (ET) Hi: To kick off our Chapter 1 discussions, I have summarized Chapter 1 below -- I have written the summary with knowledge of the entire book (and the responses of others may reference later events), so SPOILER WARNING. S P O I L E R S P A C E Chapter 1 -- The Riddle House in Little Hangleton is the setting -- old, derelict and the scene of a bizarre murder 50 yrs ago. Can't help but wonder if it's 50 yrs from the time of GoF (Riddle/Voldemort is roughly 18) or 50 yrs from CoS when he was 16. We learn that Tom Riddle's father came from money. We learn later that Riddle Sr. had a fling with a village girl -- my impression is that he never married her. Riddle's mother, the village girl, we already know is a descendant of Slytherin. Frank Bryce, the gardener, is taken in for questioning. He remembers a pale teenager with black hair lurking about earlier on the day of the murder. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I had a fleeting thought that maybe the teenager would be Harry. Bryce is cleared of the murders, since drs cannot say that the Riddles were even murdered. Now, he is an old man and he sees lights on in the old abandoned house. On investigation, he creeps up & eavesdrops on the conversation of Lord Voldemort & Peter Pettigrew. Interesting that V refers to P as "Wormtail," P's old Hogwarts nickname. It's been suggested on hpanonymous that this could be V's way of reminding P of what he's lost (his old friendships). I'm not entirely clear on a few points here so maybe you guys can help. V says that the "plan" cannot proceed until after the World Cup. On re-read, I'm not clear what the "plan" was as of this Chapter. There's some murder that Wormtail was to commit -- a murder that will clear the path to Harry. Crouch Jr. was the one who killed Crouch Sr. after all. Wormtail didn't murder anyone, did he? Am I forgetting something? Who is the 1 murder that will clear the path to Harry? V tells Wormtail that he will have a task at the "end" that many of V's followers "would give their right hand to perform." More foreshadowing than we knew, eh? Nagini, the large snake whose milk is sustaining V -- anyone else reminded of Rikki Tikki Tavi? V murders Bryce after Nagini alerts V & P that Frank was eavesdropping. Harry wakes up with a vivid dream and his scar is hurting. DISCUSS! Ready . . . set . . . Go!! Penny From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:53:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4009 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #3944] Re: book 4 question..so spoiler Date: 7/12/00 12:53 pm (ET) ok, I got a way around the spoiler problem, if people want me to (and I'm quite happy to providing others participate) I'll set up a club a sister club to this one until the end of the summer holidays (sept. 1) so that people can talk about book four without spoiler warnings. I won't do this if people don't want me to or not enough people are willing to join but.... yours, darla From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:54:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Bill Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4010 From: heiditandy Subject: Casting: Bill Reply To: [Yahoo! #4006] Casting: Snape Date: 7/12/00 12:54 pm (ET) Christian Bale. 'Nuf said. (yes, for those of you who've only seen American Psycho or Newsies, he's British) From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:56:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4011 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4008] Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/12/00 12:56 pm (ET) S P P O I L E R S P A C E (Don't read this message if you haven't read the whole book or don't want to be surprised! S P O I L E R S P A C E I hope that's enough space... ~The pale teenager hanging about on the day of the murders--I thought this was the younger Tom Riddle (Voldemort), as it was 50 years ago. My guess is that the 50 years if from when Tom/Voldemort was 18 (though I did wonder about that)... and that perhaps the murders happened around the time he finished at Hogwarts. ~My guess is that the murder to be committed was that of Mad-Eye Moody...that perhaps Wormtail and Crouch Jr. were supposed to do this. Dumbledore had hired Moody as DADA professor, and V. knew that Moody would seriously stand in the way of anyone trying to get to Harry. But Moody wasn't, in fact, murdered, so I'm not sure about this. I guess the plan was to eventually murder him, after he had been useful in providing his hair for the Polyjuice Potion for Crouch Jr. But I think Moody was that one person standing in the way. What surprises me is that it took Dumbledore so long to realize that Moody wasn't REALLY Moody. I mean, I didn't have a clue either, but Dumbledore seems to know so much that goes on that I found myself wondering why he didn't suspect "Moody" sooner. Karin From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:56:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:56:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4012 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #3998] Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 12:56 pm (ET) The only thing I can think of from the top of my head - in the first book - the "Daily Prophet" - Hagrids newspaper that the owl delivers to the hut on the rock costs five knuts. Now work that one out - I'll be interested to see if anyone does come up with an exchange rate! Anna - who just quit her job....ouch! From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:59:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Casting: Bill Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4013 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Casting: Bill Reply To: [Yahoo! #4010] Casting: Bill Date: 7/12/00 12:59 pm (ET) OH YEAH!!!!!! I want him in more of the movie though:0( Could we take liberties with Percy and make him older?!?!?LOL From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:59:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4014 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3947] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 12:59 pm (ET) now don't quote me on this but i thought that the Christian religion taught tolerance? I also thought that their bible only said 'thou shallt not suffer a witch to live' who ever wrote the christian laws did not say ''thou shallt not suffer a witch to live OR READ ABOUT THEM?' I am a witch and a wiccan and find it distressful when people write posts like the one i am refering to. Can anyone find me one line, sentance, paragraph or word in HP that mmentions the word Satan? Also why is witchcraft apparently evil, bad and to do him anyway? Most of the characters in Harry Potter use their powers for good and the ones who are bad are nearly always punished in some way any way. JKR does not encourage the worship of satan in anyway in any her books From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 16:59:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4015 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Re: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4009] About spoilers but no spoiler in it.. Date: 7/12/00 12:59 pm (ET) Hi Darla, I am definitely interested in a spoiler-free group. :) From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:02:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4016 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/12/00 1:02 pm (ET) also Mr Brian, its minds, not mids. Your bad spelling kinda changes the entire meaning as the word 'mid' can mean gut or stomach. What you wrote sounds like reading Harry Potter gives children stomach upsets... just wanted to point that out to you From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: Witchcraft. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4017 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Witchcraft. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4014] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 1:06 pm (ET) The reason, if you go back into the bible history, that the line "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is in the bible is an easy question to answer. It was added during the reign of King James. Sorta like the lobbyists we have in Washington today, the physicians of the day were very upset that women and men were turning to midwives and herbal women instead of their (actually life-threatening) techniques. They talked King James into adding a few extra lines to the bible when he did the reprint, and since most editions are based upon the King James in some form, you end up with the line that the physicians wanted in there to persecute the midwives and get them out of practice--thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. What better means of getting rid of your enemy than enciting people fear of damnation against them? I know this was off subject, but when I saw your post I had to add my three cents. I have been studying Witchcraft since 92 and while I can't quote you my exact source, I know it was a reliable one. Dee From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:06:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4018 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4011] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 1:06 pm (ET) Spoilers Ahead!!!! S P O I L E R S P A C E L A L A L A Should be enough.... On why V calles Pettigrew "Wormtail" during the first chapter - I thought it really helped set the tone - "Wormtail" sounds bad, and slimy (I know - its just because he could turn into a rat) and V's use of it - espessially when chastising Pettigrew throughout the book - seems appropriate - like even V doesn't think he deserves his "human" name - almost to make him a thing than a person. It seems to give Pettigrew almost an "igor" personification - you know - like the "igor's" in those old horror movies - the faithful, if somewhat disfigured assistant. Hope that makes sense! From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:07:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4019 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3971] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 1:07 pm (ET) Mr Brian, why do you consider that Wiccans are misguided? and as this club is for grown ups and they could there fore be older that you, I feel that it is wrong to use that term youth and it is quite disrespectful. Wiccans do not aim to corrupt and if you would bother to learn before you spoke/wrote then you would know this as one of the rules of Wicca is 'an it harm none, do as ye will' I feel that the world is included in this. From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:08:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:08:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Penny, please? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4020 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: CoCC Penny, please? Reply To: [Yahoo! #3980] Re: CoCC Penny, please? Date: 7/12/00 1:08 pm (ET) you go DEE! From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:15:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4021 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4012] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 1:15 pm (ET) that would make 1knut= around 10-20p in '. No idea bout US$ From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:16:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4022 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4018] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 1:16 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R Re: Chapter One, I found it very interesting that Ms. Rowling broke with her standard of opening the books. Usually, we start with an amusing incident that occurs while Harry is at home with the Dursley's during the Summer Holiday. But opening with Voldemort and Peter(Wormtail - so called because his animagus is a rat) was extremely portentious. The reader is warned right away that this book is different in tone from the 3 preceeding books. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:25:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4023 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4022] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 1:25 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R When my daughter read Chapter One, she was convinced that Tom Riddle had died as a boy. (I don't have the book in front of me but doesn't say something about how the three Riddles died of fright?) That meant that he was somehow ressurected to become the Tom Riddle. When I read it, I decided that Tom's father had remarried and had another son. That wasn't very clear so I could see how she might be .. confused... mislead... whatever. There is also the possibility that Tom has other surviving siblings... From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:30:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4024 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4023] Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 1:30 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R <<When my daughter read Chapter One, she was convinced that Tom Riddle had died as a boy. (I don't have the book in front of me but doesn't say something about how the three Riddles died of fright?) That meant that he was somehow ressurected to become the Tom Riddle. When I read it, I decided that Tom's father had remarried and had another son. That wasn't very clear so I could see how she might be .. confused... mislead... whatever. There is also the possibility that Tom has other surviving siblings... >> I *think* that the three Riddles that died were in fact Tom's father and Tom's grand parents. And the killer, the pale boy with black hair, is none other than Tom himself... norevoli From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:34:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4025 From: norevoli Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Reply To: [Yahoo! #4018] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 1:34 pm (ET) Spoilers Ahead!!!! S P O I L E R S P A C E L A L A L A Should be enough.... <<On why V calles Pettigrew "Wormtail" during the first chapter - I thought it really helped set the tone - "Wormtail" sounds bad, and slimy (I know - its just because he could turn into a rat) and V's use of it - espessially when chastising Pettigrew throughout the book - seems appropriate - like even V doesn't think he deserves his "human" name - almost to make him a thing than a person. It seems to give Pettigrew almost an "igor" personification - you know - like the "igor's" in those old horror movies - the faithful, if somewhat disfigured assistant.>> Maybe it is very similar to Star Wars (I know like anything isn't like it;P) Maybe, as Ben Kenobi tells young Luke, maybe when Peter gave himself as a servant to Voldemort his old self Peter Pettigrew died and V's calling him Wormtail shows that he has nothing to do with his old life any more. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:36:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4026 From: norevoli Subject: Bill Weasley Date: 7/12/00 1:36 pm (ET) Who's going to start on the Bill Weasley discussion? norevoli From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:37:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4027 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #3885] Being Harry Potter Date: 7/12/00 1:37 pm (ET) MJ wrote: >>>Please don't take this as a criticism, please! I would just like to state my opinion here, which is that there is nothing wrong with criticism. The name of this group is *Harry Potter for Grownups*, not *We Worship Joanna Rowling*. Of course many of us do worship her, nevertheless, IMO anyway it is fine to say negative things about the books here. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4028 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4027] Re: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/12/00 1:39 pm (ET) Joywitch, that sounds like a very mature attitude, and I applaud you for pointing it out to me. Thanks. Dee From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:39:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Up With / Down With J.K.Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4029 From: babynick34 Subject: Up With / Down With J.K.Rowling Date: 7/12/00 1:39 pm (ET) Hi all, I have been contacted by the Mail on Sunday with regard to a short article about J.K. Rowling - I expect some of you here have also been contacted regarding this. I would like your opinion... the Mail on Sunday has asked me to write the Up With part - but did say I could write the Down With bit, the part which is negative about Jo. I'm torn between which one to write... while I feel the books are good, I also feel that there is a lack of an official fan club, that Jo does not appreciate that there are adult fans, and the publishers are making little to no effort in providing fans with information. Do you have any opinions with regard to Jo and the publishers ignoring adult fans? Many thanks for any responces. Nick. From the_mad_cowtipper at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:41:00 2000 From: the_mad_cowtipper at yahoo.com (the_mad_cowtipper) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4030 From: the_mad_cowtipper Subject: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Date: 7/12/00 1:41 pm (ET) you have been warned 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 let the spoiling begin I seem to recall in a earlier post about the order that the "Echoes" come out of the wands when they are locked up, but i alos remember when Harry and Cedric first arrive st the house V says "kill the spare. " Does that mean Wormtail was using V's wand? Okay Know it is not earth shattering but it was just something I noticed. From fred_and_george_weasley at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:45:00 2000 From: fred_and_george_weasley at yahoo.com (fred_and_george_weasley) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Book 4 Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4031 From: fred_and_george_weasley Subject: Dumbledore Book 4 Spoiler Date: 7/12/00 1:45 pm (ET) We joined up some weeks ago, but have been lurking so far. This group is great! But on to what we have to say... S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * * * Just finished book 4 yesterday *WHEW*. (Still waiting on George) I was absolutely taken aback by the news about Neville's parents, I would love to see him take on a Death Eater or two later and come out on top (a sudden, unexpected burst of great magic from him), he deserves it. Or, maybe he'll get to punch Malfoy. I really hope he blooms later in the series. Also, I am soooooo glad that Hermione explained WHY there's no electricity, etc. in the Wizarding world -- "Because there's too much magic in the air" -- I had to wonder. Also it makes those of us who have a constantly breaking down car, computer, photocopy machine, watch (I could go on) feel better. But, here's my big comment -- what is going on with the slight look of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry explains that his mother's counter charm has been broken? (pg. 696 US edition) I am so worried that Dumbledore is going to turn out to be a bad guy. Somebody, anybody, tell me it ain't so! Could this mearly be that he is happy that Harry will be able to defend himself now?? Stephanie (Fred) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:46:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4032 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4027] Re: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/12/00 1:46 pm (ET) Part two.. Sorry about that. Seriously, each book that we read does have flaws, and every person who joins this discussion is considered an adult (at least mature enough to hold a decent conversation) and has an unique viewpoint on them. I know that the books I have read, as an aspiring author, I will dissect (or is it disect?) them for flaws, areas I myself would have changed if I had written them, etc. This doesn't mean that they don't hold hallowed spots on my shelves. It only means that I am human, as are the writers themselves. Even Brian, who holds an opinion that most here (about 99% of us!) are completely opposed to, has a right to speak his mind about what he perceives to be within Jo's books. He is an adult, and as long as he continues to act as an adult he has the right to speak his mind. We have the right to contradict his views, but not to harass him or those view for they are his. Dee From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:46:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4033 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4028] Re: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/12/00 1:46 pm (ET) I am in complete agreement with you! We all interpret the book and the whole HARRY POTTER thing differently. So if we say something, it is just an opinion, and unless there was a personal attack on you, do not attack back. There is nothing that people hate more on a board and desert it over... From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:48:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4034 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4030] Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Date: 7/12/00 1:48 pm (ET) s p o i l e r a b o u t b o o k 4 I have to assume that Wormtail has no wand. I mean, he couldn't really have one while a rat, it's not like he likely hid it anywhere because he used it when he killed all those muggles and I assume he either blasted it up then, or it was picked up by the Ministry, so if he's going to do magic, then he needs someone else's wand, because he can't really go into a Wand Shop, since everyone thinks he's dead, and in this case since Voldemort has no body, he needs someone else to use his wand. From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:50:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: Good morning Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4035 From: msbooktworm Subject: Good morning Date: 7/12/00 1:50 pm (ET) Good morning to all, I just woke up and had to get caught up on some posts. My entire schedule has been a little off since July 8th, hmmm, I wonder why? I hope everyone is reading along well and not calling in sick for work just to stay home and read like I did. I wanted to add something with regard to the young man who is posting messages about Satanism and Christianity. First, I am Catholic and I have my beliefs, but I am not here to push them on anyone else or even pass judgement for that matter. I am here because I thoroughly enjoy reading and discussing fine literature and J.K. Rowling has it. This club raises interesting questions about plot lines and characters. I am simply happy to be here. Enough rambling... Here is a quote from an unknown source... "I do my thing, and you do your thing. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations. And you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you and I am I, And if by chance we find each other, It's beautiful." end quote... We are all different and have been brought together because we have a common thread. We believe in fantasy, fiction, and using our imaginations. I have not come across one person or post that has involved someone taking the HP books that seriously on Witchcraft or Satanism. Hey, another thought, wasn't Bewitched (a television show with Elizabeth Montgomery) around in the 60's and that was blatant witchcraft. Books and shows have been around a long time, why is everyone picking on Harry Potter? Read on... Melissa From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4036 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4009] About spoilers but no spoiler in it.. Date: 7/12/00 1:51 pm (ET) "I'll set up a club a sister club to this one until the end of the summer holidays (sept. 1) so that people can talk about book four without spoiler warnings." I mentioned this briefly, before (about a thousand posts ago!). I considered that idea but rejected it, because I didn't want to to be held responsible for creating a splinter group from this one, leaving a hole in the archives here. I think it's best to stick with this club and ride out the short 'spoiler period', but that's just my view! Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:56:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Beautiful! Fits perfectly! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4037 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Beautiful! Fits perfectly! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4035] Good morning Date: 7/12/00 1:56 pm (ET) Thanks! That poem is just the thing to make me smile. Where on earth, Melissa, did you get that--I would like to quote it, if I may at times? Thanks! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 17:57:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4038 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #4026] Bill Weasley Date: 7/12/00 1:57 pm (ET) "Who's going to start on the Bill Weasley discussion?" I already did, right after it was suggested, and there were some other posts, but it sort of got lost way back there... We need a time-turner in this club! Neil From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:06:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:06:00 -0400 Subject: "Right-wing loonies" spread Stupidity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4039 From: joywitch999 Subject: "Right-wing loonies" spread Stupidity Reply To: [Yahoo! #3945] "Harry Potter" spreads SATANISM! Date: 7/12/00 2:06 pm (ET) Sad but true. All of the posts I have ever read by these anti-Harry Potter morons are full of misspellings and grammatical errors. I think that they real reason that they don't want kids to read Harry Potter is that they want more illiterate, uneducated idiots running around -- since those people are easier to brainwash. On behalf of the SoPwaMoHaB (Society of People with a Minimum of Half a Brain), Boycott the "Councel of Conservitive Citizens." From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:06:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:06:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4040 From: heiditandy Subject: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Date: 7/12/00 2:06 pm (ET) At http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000711/2443176s.htm, USA TODAY writes "Given a choice, what youngster would want to be Hermione Granger or any of the other women, young or old, in the Potter series so far?" It's an interesting article, in the sense that it completely ignores/undercuts the motherliness of Mrs Weasley, the brightness and importantness of Professor McGonegal, and the changes in Hermione from the first book through this book. The writer calls her "bossy, shrill, exasperating and meddlesome to a degree that puzzles Kathleen Odean, author of Great Books for Girls, an annotated list of books with strong female characters. ''People get defensive because they like the books so much,'' says Odean,who admires the Potter books. ''But it's hard for me to understand why Rowling wouldn't have made Hermione stronger and more likable.'' I don't know, perhaps because Hermione was based on Jo herself?!?!?!? And that Jo had plans to, well, mellow Hermione out a little as the books have gone on? Personally, I would find nothing wrong with being Hermione, especially now that she's had her teeth fixed. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:12:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4041 From: Danemead Subject: HP Movie Script Date: 7/12/00 2:12 pm (ET) This is pretty funny - check it out.... The Americanized Harry Potter Movie Script Page http://members.home.com/tjlsmith/ahpsp.htm From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4042 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Reply To: [Yahoo! #4041] HP Movie Script Date: 7/12/00 2:36 pm (ET) LOL!!!! I think Anthony Hopkins isn't that bad idea, but Brittany as Heri? LOL! From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:40:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4043 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Reply To: [Yahoo! #4041] HP Movie Script Date: 7/12/00 2:40 pm (ET) As an american I'm a little stung by that :-P Mostly, because I have a feeling, the US COULD potentially screw up the Harry story that badly... *crossing my fingers* I'm still angered by Chris Columbus, being the director...*sigh* I hope he surprises me...He hasn't made a good dark children's flick since the 80's. I hope he remembers how to do it, and while he's at it, hire the cinematographer who did A Little Princess, few years back. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:44:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4044 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Reply To: [Yahoo! #4042] Re: HP Movie Script Date: 7/12/00 2:44 pm (ET) Ok, last post. Has anyone seen the movie MASH, where the cheerleaders are at the football game? Somehow that's how I am picturing them in that script! Giggles... From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:45:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4045 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4021] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 2:45 pm (ET) Well, most newspapers cost about a quarter (note to the UK: that means a quarter of a dollar, or 25 cents). So if 5 knuts = $.25, then 1 knut = $.05 1 sickle = 29 knuts = $1.45 which is about a British pound, right? 1 galleon = 17 sickles = $24.65. Hmmmm.......sounds like too much. In Book 3, Hermione has 10 galleons spending money -- almost $250 sounds like a lot of spending money for a 13 year old girl. And Harry pays 7 galleons for his wand, which would be $172.55. Pretty steep, although, personally, I would be willing to pay that much for a magic wand. OK, lets try again. Maybe the Daily Prophet is very cheap, more like 5 cents a copy than 25 cents. If that is true, then 1 knut = $.01 or what we Americans call a penny 1 sickle = $.29 1 galleon = $4.93 or about $5 Then Hermione has about $50 in spending money, and Harrys wand cost about $35. That seems more reasonable to me. Oh, I almost forgot. Harry pays 11 sickles and 7 knuts for his candy on the Hogwarts Express in Book 1. If one knut is worth a penny, then he bought $3.26 worth of candy. That also sounds about right. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Daughter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4046 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4043] Re: HP Movie Script Date: 7/12/00 2:48 pm (ET) I think Hollywood could screw up a movie about Bill Clinton. There have been quite a few bombs made about books that I actually liked. They always "rewrite" the book to fit the personality of the movie. Ever read John Updike's Witches of Eastwick? Even though I adore Jack N's rant in the church about woman, I do not recall a bit of that in the book! They turned it into a tale of three town sluts who hook up with a devil, and that's not the spirit the book was wrote with. I know there are others, but at this second, I cannot recall them. Wellllll, off to school soon so you'll have me shutting up soon! Dee From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:50:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:50:00 -0400 Subject: Snape BookIV ****SPOILERS!!!**** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4047 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Snape BookIV ****SPOILERS!!!**** Date: 7/12/00 2:50 pm (ET) s p o i l m e b a b y !!!!!!! I just have some theories and questions: Could Snape's whole amiable attitude toward Draco, have been laying a foundation to possibly return to his duty as a spy? Could Dumbledore have blackmailed him? Does he have some personal stake in this? Perhaps, as someone suggested earlier, he was in love with Lily, and therefore wants to avenge her? From sigma94 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:56:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4048 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Reply To: [Yahoo! #4040] USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Date: 7/12/00 2:56 pm (ET) I cannot find the article... From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 18:57:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4049 From: Danemead Subject: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Date: 7/12/00 2:57 pm (ET) What exactly do you supposed Voldemort IS? We know he started out human. He's even half-Muggle. But now when we see him, he doesn't even LOOK human. He's got a face like a snake. Does part of the Immortality Quest include being uglified? Did he have some kind of body-meld with a basilisk? I don't understand what it is that he did that would result in the alteration of his features like that. Did he look that way BEFORE, when he was powerful the first time? It sure would make it difficult to sneak up on an opponent at a cocktail party or something. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:01:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:01:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Daughter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4050 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4046] Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Date: 7/12/00 3:01 pm (ET) Of course, I don't expect it to be an exact re-telling. That's just impractical in the movie format. I'm just hoping Hollywood, doesn't manipulate "the magic" into some shallow, glossed over, "Hollywood film". I would like to see a "Dangerous Liasons" as opposed to a "Cruel Intentions". In hopes Chris Columbus may come across the board....I'll say it one more time. Hire the cinematographer who did "A Little Princess". From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:04:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:04:00 -0400 Subject: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4051 From: joywitch999 Subject: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Date: 7/12/00 3:04 pm (ET) Todays (July 12) Washington Post, in the Style section, has an article on the HP movie. It does not have much info, it is mostly about how likely it is that Hollywood will totally screw it up and make a terrible movie. Sigh. I really can not fault their logic, unfortunately, especially as Chris Columbus is directing. The only thing that I can say in Hollywoods defense is that all the movies I have seen that are based on Roald Dahls books have been very good. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: Hollywood Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4052 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Hollywood Reply To: [Yahoo! #4050] Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Date: 7/12/00 3:05 pm (ET) You know what's really funny. There is only one show that I recall following almost word for word the script of the book, and that was the Last Unicorn (By Beagle). Of course, I have to wonder if it being a cartoon is one reason? Angela Lansbury, speaking of tLU, is English. Would she make a good McGonagall ?? Or is she too old? I do like her in movies. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:05:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4053 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4045] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 3:05 pm (ET) I think the first figures are more accurate-- $250 spending money for a whole school term does not sound very outrageous to me. And $172 for a magic wand that will be used for a lifetime-- that sounds about right. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:08:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:08:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Daughter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4054 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4050] Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Date: 7/12/00 3:08 pm (ET) <<Hire the cinematographer>> Speaking of cinematographers, I just remembered something I've been meaning to post for ages. I've noticed in quite a number of films lately, because I'm the type of person who sits through the entire rolling of credits, that there is a Director of Photography named Oliver Wood. Cool! From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:12:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: HP Movie Script Daughter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4055 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4054] Re: HP Movie Script Daughter Date: 7/12/00 3:12 pm (ET) Thanks voicelady, Oliver Wood?? Chris, hire Oliver Wood!! :-) From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:21:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4056 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4036] Re: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Date: 7/12/00 3:21 pm (ET) "I'll set up a club a sister club to this one until the end of the summer holidays (sept. 1) so that people can talk about book four without spoiler warnings." <I mentioned this briefly, before (about a thousand posts ago!). I considered that idea but rejected it, because I didn't want to to be held responsible for creating a splinter group from this one, leaving a hole in the archives here. > good point, i hadn't thought of that. oh well. love Darla Life's a neck, drink deep From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:23:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:23:00 -0400 Subject: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4057 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #4051] HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Date: 7/12/00 3:23 pm (ET) <<The only thing that I can say in Hollywoods defense is that all the movies I have seen that are based on Roald Dahls books have been very good.>> That's Because Tim Burton directed James and the Giant Peach. As I've said, I personally think...They shoud just forgoe the actors egos and just do a stop motion feature, with Tim Burton at the helm. But, oh well, :-P too late for that...The Producers haven't even read the books?? I smell trouble. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:24:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4058 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #4003] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/12/00 3:24 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R Don't be silly, she'd have her house elf do it. I assume they got a new one by now. >But, thinking about it, it's likely that some other women were there. I mean, what would Narcissa do - stay at home and iron Lucius' death eater robes? >>>>>>>>> *snort* Is there anyone else who thinks that "Narcissa" is just the perfect name for this character? I was sorry that we did not see more of her. I want to know more about the Malfoy villainy! And yes I agree, I doubt that she would ever dirty her hands with housework.... From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:34:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: Down with J.K. Rowling? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4059 From: babynick34 Subject: Down with J.K. Rowling? Date: 7/12/00 3:34 pm (ET) Hi all... Can I have your comments on the following. Do you think it is harsh... do you think it is untrue, or do you think Jo could do more to meet her fans? Please read the short piece of text below... and feel free to comment on it, either on here (if Penny does not mind - as it is a related topic) or direct to me at: nick at nicmit.com ----- Text Start ----- Adults, some with children in tow, waited on the platform for hours to see the author they love. Many fans waited, even in the rain, to see Jo at Didcot. Their reward for waiting was a brief glimpse of Jo posing for the media, and passing at lightning speed surrounded by bodyguards between the safety of the railway carriages. Jo is not the only one who is 'fan shy' , even the publishers official fan club didn't bother letting members know about the events of last Saturday. J.K. Rowling may be a price winning author, but she won't be receiving any awards for her PR skills. Young and old fans alike had hoped to meet the author they adore... but very few got the chance. Instead of making Harry Potter models, LEGO should make a model of J.K. Rowling. At least her fans could then say they have seen her! ----- Text End ----- Thanks Nick. From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:37:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4060 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Date: 7/12/00 3:37 pm (ET) s p o i l m e b a b y !!!!!!!!! Mad Eye Moody - Anthony Hopkins (If you've seen Legends of the Fall, you know why) Hagrid - Geread DePardieu (sp.?) (I just thought of him and I think he's perfect!!) Can you think of anybody to play other newer charcters?? Krum Fleur Cedric Couch etc?? From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:44:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4061 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4032] Re: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/12/00 3:44 pm (ET) yeah, sorry, i kinda got way over stressed there but I just don't like people saying that anything even remotely connected with witchcraft is evil. I'm sorry, I stepped over the mark big time, everyone has a right to their own opinions and interpretations From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:49:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4062 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Reply To: [Yahoo! #4039] "Right-wing loonies" spread Stupidity Date: 7/12/00 3:49 pm (ET) thanks for agreeing joywitch (RE:Sad but true. All of the posts I have ever read by these anti-Harry Potter morons are full of misspellings and grammatical errors. I think that they real reason that they don't want kids to read Harry Potter is that they want more illiterate, uneducated idiots running around -- since those people are easier to brainwash. On behalf of the SoPwaMoHaB (Society of People with a Minimum of Half a Brain), Boycott the "Councel of Conservitive Citizens)) I know that my spelling/p and g leave a lot to be desired but I just had to get him on something!! From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:52:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:52:00 -0400 Subject: Article About Adult Potter Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4063 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Article About Adult Potter Fans Date: 7/12/00 3:52 pm (ET) I'm not sure if this has been posted before, if so, forgive me. Here's an article about Adult fans...Though I'm a little peeved it didn't post the url of the adult site it refered to: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/columns/bookreport/A59142-2000Jul6.ht ml From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:56:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4064 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4053] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 3:56 pm (ET) whats the $/' exchange rate? From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 19:57:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4065 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Date: 7/12/00 3:57 pm (ET) here's a handy spell for you lift your wand high and say: *IGNORAMUS!!!* But it only works if you continue to go about your business as if they weren't here. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:05:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:05:00 -0400 Subject: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4066 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Reply To: [Yahoo! #4065] Anti-Potter Posters Spell Date: 7/12/00 4:05 pm (ET) >>>here's a handy spell for you >>>lift your wand high and say: *IGNORAMUS!!!* >>>But it only works if you continue to go about your business as if they weren't here. Thanks! I have been looking for a spell like that for years. It seems to work pretty well, even though I am a total muggle. Unfortunately, I have to use it WAY too often. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4067 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4049] Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Date: 7/12/00 4:07 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R <<What exactly do you supposed Voldemort IS? [snip] he doesn't even LOOK human. He's got a face like a snake.>> The potion he takes to attain something resembling human form includes venom milked from Nagini. Since Nagini is a snake he has assumed a somewhat snake-like form... for now. That's my theory, anyway. Neil From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:15:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:15:00 -0400 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4068 From: davehoz Subject: Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Reply To: [Yahoo! #3973] I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 4:15 pm (ET) ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 >Ms. Rowling indicated that she was irritated at having to teach people how >to pronounce 'Hermione.' And on p. 418 we have Hermione teaching us. >Funny. Funny. It's even funnier since it's wrong. It's Her-my-knee! Jim Dale says it right. (Moral: Muggle dentists should excercise caution when giving their magical kids exotic names.) From catzfavre at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:23:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4069 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Reply To: [Yahoo! #4057] Re: HP article: 7/12/00 Wash. Post Date: 7/12/00 4:23 pm (ET) Well, if nothing else, Rowling has final script approval. There is some comfort in that. From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:25:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's behavior -spoilers for book4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4070 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Snape's behavior -spoilers for book4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #3994] Re: Snape's behavior -spoilers for book4 Date: 7/12/00 4:25 pm (ET) The following post contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * * * > 2.) Thoroughly unconfirmed rumor: Snape was in love with Lily and > tried to protect her from Voldemort. Harry is a constant reminder of > his failure to do so." > > If this is true it could explain why he changed from supporting > Voldemort to being a spy. If he learned that Voldemort planned to kill > the Potter's then he may have tried his best to protect them. It seems > likely that it ws his information that sent the Potter's into hidding. > I would assume that Dumbledore made him a teacher when Voldemort lost > his powers. This would explain why Snape wants the DADA job but > getting it would provide too much cause for concern with some. > I don't know how much of the "common knowledge" about Snape we can believe, given the events detailed in this book. Disinformation is a very nice (and potentially life-saving) tool for a spy to use! Snape has become a much more interesting character now that some of these events have been revealed, and I have to wonder where exactly his character will go during the rest of the series. I agree with what someone else posted, he may not be the Death Eater that has "gone to the other side and will die" but may instead be the one that is "scared and will pay". It is a bit disturbing to think about just what he will have to do to get back into good graces with the Big V. For some reason, I thought Snape was a pretty intriguing character all the way back in Book 1. The details that emerged about him in Books 2, 3 & 4 makes him even more so. I have a feeling he will play a key role in the solution to the puzzle during the next 3 books. It sure will be fun to watch! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:30:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4071 From: joywitch999 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 1 Date: 7/12/00 4:30 pm (ET) I have so much to say about GoF that I am dividing it into 4 posts, so that none will be overly long, and so that anyone can skip a part they are not interested in, or all of it if they are not interested in anything I have to say (Imagine that!). Each post repeats these first few paragraphs so as to provide the requested spoiler space. I am going to cross-post this on Harry Potter for Grownups, Harry Potter Anonymous, and alt.fan.harry-potter. Let me start by first apologizing for my overly-academic approach here. This is a problem that occurs among People Who Spend Too Much Time in Graduate School. As I have spent most of my adult life in college, and am about to get my Ph.D., I just can't help it. Anyway, I have been thinking about several things: 1. General comments, including criticisms 2. Plot holes. 3. The elements of social satire in the Harry Potter books. 4. The influence of fame and reader feedback on JKR's writing style. LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! 1. Although I loved the book and have already read it twice, it was in some ways less satisfying than the first 3 books. I wound up feeling a little disappointed. Someone pointed out that this may be because this book is so much darker, and particularly because it ends with Voldemort's return, rather than his defeat as the other 3 have. (Several people have compared it to The Empire Strikes Back, appropriately I think.) I think this is part of what made GoF feel a little disappointing. Some of it is just personal preference; I liked the formulaic elements of the first 3 books, and wouldn't mind reading a zillion-part series on day-to-day life at Hogwarts. However, I can understand why many, if not most people would rather not have Harry Potter turn into a Nancy Drew-type series, though, and why JKR would especially not enjoy chronicling 2,000 episodes of "Harry Potter's School Days." But the book just seemed too complex, with way too many new characters, too much of a "murder mystery-type" tension. I agree with the reviewers who that said it seemed like it was written too quickly, and wished JKR would slow down and spend more time considering the plot details. BTW, I realize that I am in the minority here. Most of the comments on the various NGs have been extremely positive, so I don't expect very many people to agree with me. There were many parts of GoF I loved. I love the pensieve - brilliant idea! I wish I had one. The Quidditch World Cup and the final HP/Voldy duel were really exciting. I loved all the satirical elements (see Post #3). I liked the Yule Ball and JKR's depiction of those awkward teenage hormonal changes that we all remember with pain, I'm sure. Also, the way she describes how people's adult characteristics carry over from childhood is interesting. For example, Percy Weasly in the earlier books is a self-important, goodygood, model student, but those characteristics are turning him into an inflexible bureaucrat. The Weasley twins are funny and fun-loving, but in GoF it seems as if (wrongly, as it turns out) that their rule-breaking may lead to law-breaking. I loved the way Voldemort has become even more of a genuinely scary, seriously evil, very vile villain. The way the book starts with telling us that Voldy killed his own father and grandparents really sets a terrifically terrifying tone. [Although I have to say I was surprised at the number of people, at least on alt.fan.harrypotter, who didn't get this.] I loved the further character development and the ways in which the main characters are changing as they get older. However, I do think that GoF has some major plot holes, which leads me to Post#2.... From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:33:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: New Members Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4072 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: New Members Reply To: [Yahoo! #3997] New Members Date: 7/12/00 4:33 pm (ET) "PS... To the new members, how did you find out about us. Did you all read the Washington Post? " I've mostly lurked on the HP newsgroup since late last year, and had seen an occasional reference to this club. Someone reposted the address into the newsgroup last weekend, and I decided to give this club a try. Messages do post a little differently here than I'm used to on either USENET or some other web-based bulletin boards, and it can make it a bit difficult to follow some threads. All-in-all, though, this looks like a pretty good group! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:33:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4073 From: joywitch999 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Date: 7/12/00 4:33 pm (ET) I have so much to say about GoF that I am dividing it into 4 posts, so that none will be overly long. Each post repeats these first few paragraphs so as to provide the requested spoiler space LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! 2. I think GoF has a major plot hole. I don't see why it was necessary to have Harry win the Triwizard Tournament in order to have him touch a portkey. Why couldn't Moody/Crouch have just made any old thing into a portkey and thrown it in Harry's path sometime during the school year, or even hit him over the head with a spell? And there was never a guarantee that Harry would win the tournament and thus actually touch the cup, even Moody/Crouch's interference didn't make that happen, it occurred only because of Cedric's sense of fair play. The whole Triwizard thing is a nice plot device, but it hardly seems necessary from Voldemort's point of view. One possible explanation is that because of the enchantments in and around Hogwarts that maybe portkeys, like electronic devices and apparating/disapparting spells, don't work there. But if that's true, how does Moody/Crouch make the Triwizard cup into a portkey? Another possible explanation is that portkeys don't usually work at Hogwarts, but Dumbledore has allowed the cup to be "portkey-ized" just this one time, so as to move the champion out of the maze. This seems far-fetched, however. Would Bertha Whatshername really know a detail like that? A why a portkey, when an alarm of some sort would work as well to alert the judges that the cup was reached? Another thing that I feel is a plot hole is the complete lack of Quidditch at Hogwarts all year. I realize that the inter-house championship was canceled because the teachers were too busy with the Triwizard tournament, but this seems unrealistic and unfair to me. (And yes, I do see the irony of using the word "unrealistic" to refer to a detail of a book about magic.) I mean, the Triwizard Tournament only involves 2 Hogwarts students. Is it really fair to prevent the rest of the students from playing all year? Is it realistic that Harry, whose major passion in life is Quidditch, would completely stop playing for an entire year? How come they don't seem to even have "pickup" Quidditch games at Hogwarts, they way they do when Harry is visiting the Weasley's house? OK, one more plot hole. There are countless examples in literature (and tv and movies also) of the Egotistical Evil Villain Trap, in which the evil villain gives the hero One Last Chance Before Killing Him, or else takes time to Wrap Up the Plot before Killing Him, and the hero inevitably escapes, usually because of a rescue which happens Just in the Nick of Time. You'd think these evil villains would have learned by now to kill the hero the second they get their evil hands on him/her. JKR neatly gets around this with Voldy, since it is very understandable that Voldy would need to prove to his followers that Harry can not beat him, and stage a duel rather than just kill him outright. However, JKR falls into this plot hole when Moody/Crouch takes Harry into his office after the Tournament and blathers on about how smart he is and forgets to even look in his foe-mirror, which of course reflects the proverbial cavalry coming over the hill. And of course the cavalry, in the form of Dumblefore, McGonagall and Snape, rescues Harry, surprise, surprise, Just in the Nick of Time. I think that this is the weakest part of the book, and to me the most disappointing. Not only is the "captured by the imposter villain and then rescued" plot a clich', but the writing is derivative. Harry says to Moody/Crouch "You're mad!" and he responds "Mad, am I?" OK, I am nitpicking here, I admit it, but that dialog is so old! Of course he's mad, he's an evil villain for gods sake! I hate it when writers resort to clich's in order to wrap up the story. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:35:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4074 From: joywitch999 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 3 Date: 7/12/00 4:35 pm (ET) I have so much to say about GoF that I am dividing it into 4 posts, so that none will be overly long, and so that anyone can skip a part they are not interested in, or all of it if they are not interested in anything I have to say (Imagine that!). Each post repeats these first few paragraphs so as to provide the requested spoiler space. I am going to cross-post this on Harry Potter for Grownups, Harry Potter Anonymous, and alt.fan.harry-potter. Let me start by first apologizing for my overly-academic approach here. This is a problem that occurs among People Who Spend Too Much Time in Graduate School. As I have spent most of my adult life in college, and am about to get my Ph.D., I just can't help it. Anyway, I have been thinking about several things: 1. General comments, including criticisms 2. Plot holes. 3. The elements of social satire in the Harry Potter books. 4. The influence of fame and reader feedback on JKR's writing style. LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! 3. Social satire: I really like the satirical elements of the Harry Potter books, which are far more pronounced in GoF than they are in the earlier books. In GoF, this occurs in JKR's depiction of (a) newspaper reporters, (b) inept bureaucracies, and (c) oppressed minorities. (a) The newspaper reporter satire is very obvious, of course, Rita Skeeter being an unfortunately typical character. The "Quick-Quotes Quill" is a particularly funny and biting parody of the way many reporters distort everyone's comments. (b) The depiction of the Ministry of Magic as being just as full of corruption and inefficiency as any other bureaucracy was sadly funny as well. Most governments are, unfortunately, full of the types that JKR fills the Ministry with. There are weak, ineffectual, cowards like Fudge who, when the moment comes for them to provide leadership, slink fearfully into denial. Fudge seems to be sort of a Neville Chamberlain (sp?) type, who is not likely to leave a great legacy. Then there are the stuffy, humorless, inflexible, self-important bores like Percy Weasley, who go on writing reports on minor, unimportant problems while not noticing impending, major disasters. Also the slightly corrupt, incompetent but likeable types like Ludo Bagman, who really only has his job (and escaped jail) because of his celebrity sports-star status. (c) I thought that Hermione's championing the cause of the house-elves, despite the fact that the house-elves have little or no interest in the cause, was very funny, and to me familiar-sounding. [RANT ALERT!] I work in the international development field, and I have found that the world is full of do-gooders, mostly Europeans and North Americans, who go to developing countries and TELL people what would make their lives better, rather than ASK people what would make their lives better. A lot of time and money is wasted on projects that fail because of this. Hermione has fallen into this trap with the house-elves. This is understandable, and excusable IMHO, when the do-gooder is 14 years old. However, history and experience show that an oppressed group, whether battered wives, poor farmers, or elves, can improve the conditions of their lives only if and when they wish to do so. ONLY when they decide that they want to do this, is help from outside useful in enabling them to succeed. Another thing I like is the Star Trek-like metaphorical treatment of contemporary social issues, such as the obvious parallel between anti-muggle prejudice and racism. On the Hogwarts Express, in the last chapter of GoF, when Malfoy is raving about how the muggle-lovers and mudbloods will die because the Dark Lord has returned, he sounds to me just like some crazy redneck Klan member raving about how the South will rise again. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:36:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4075 From: joywitch999 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 4 Date: 7/12/00 4:36 pm (ET) I have so much to say about GoF that I am dividing it into 4 posts, so that none will be overly long, and so that anyone can skip a part they are not interested in, or all of it if they are not interested in anything I have to say (Imagine that!). Each post repeats these first few paragraphs so as to provide the requested spoiler space. I am going to cross-post this on Harry Potter for Grownups, Harry Potter Anonymous, and alt.fan.harry-potter. Let me start by first apologizing for my overly-academic approach here. This is a problem that occurs among People Who Spend Too Much Time in Graduate School. As I have spent most of my adult life in college, and am about to get my Ph.D., I just can't help it. Anyway, I have been thinking about several things: 1. General comments, including criticisms 2. Plot holes. 3. The elements of social satire in the Harry Potter books. 4. The influence of fame and reader feedback on JKR's writing style. LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! 4. I think that JKR's writing style has been influenced by her fame. Rita Skeeter is an obvious example. It sounds like JKR is sick of the press, and with good reason. Also, because the books are so popular, there has been a tremendous amount of reader feedback. I think this influenced JKR to respond to her reader's questions such as "How do you pronounce Hermione", "What happened to Parvati Patil's twin sister", etc. Unfortunately, the tremendous popularity of the books may have influenced her to write more quickly than she otherwise would have. It has clearly influenced the publishers to get the books out more quickly than they should have, judging by the shoddy proofreading. Would it have really threatened all their ridiculous security measures to have let 2 more proofreaders read GoF? (Although I have to say American publishers are notorious for this. I find dozens of typos in almost every book I read, especially paperbacks.) Anyway, it is interesting to think about how the HP series might have been different if they hadn't become so popular. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:37:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Down with J.K. Rowling? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4076 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Down with J.K. Rowling? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4059] Down with J.K. Rowling? Date: 7/12/00 4:37 pm (ET) "but she won't be receiving any awards for her PR skills" Hmmmm. I see the point you're trying to make, but why should JK Rowling, the author, need or want PR skills? She can afford to employ other people to deal with that. I'm certain she was embarrassed by the fact that she had to be jostled away from the fans at King's Cross, but assume that the police and her publishers had her safety in mind. I was there, and some of the people in and near the press pack were behaving like trolls on a bender. To me - and I don't know her at all - she seems a reluctant celebrity who is uncomfortable with the media attention. Despite her huge success, she is entitled to some privacy. You express a negative view as required, but perhaps the Mail on Sunday was looking for a critique of her writing rather than of her failure to press the flesh and operate a fanclub? Personally, I wouldn't want write anything with the brief "Down with J.K. Rowling". Anyway, good luck! Neil From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:41:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: about Book 4 comments: Pt. 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4077 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re:about Book 4 comments: Pt. 3 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4074] Book 4 comments: Pt. 3 Date: 7/12/00 4:41 pm (ET) joywitch, just read your report thingy, very good, very accurate and very funny! From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:44:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4078 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Anti-Potter Posters Spell Reply To: [Yahoo! #4065] Anti-Potter Posters Spell Date: 7/12/00 4:44 pm (ET) Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I wish I would have known that one when I worked in retail. Heeehee hee heehee heehee Bravo!!! Jess From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:48:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:48:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4079 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4022] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/12/00 4:48 pm (ET) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > Re: Chapter One, I found it very interesting that Ms. Rowling broke > with her standard of opening the books. Usually, we start with an > amusing incident that occurs while Harry is at home with the Dursley's > during the Summer Holiday. But opening with Voldemort and > Peter(Wormtail - so called because his animagus is a rat) was > extremely portentious. The reader is warned right away that this book > is different in tone from the 3 preceeding books. I liked that. I used the tone of that chapter to let my son know that some of the other chapters in the book could very well be even more intense. He says that's OK, he'll take that chance! I'm planning to delay the reading of certain chapters until a weekend, since it might not be a wise idea to stop in the middle of one of these chapters just before bedtime. :0} From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:53:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC, Polgara Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4080 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: CoCC, Polgara Reply To: [Yahoo! #4014] Re: CoCC Date: 7/12/00 4:53 pm (ET) Polgara, The passgage of the Bible that you are refering to is Enoch and the really funny thing about all of this "thou shallt not suffer a witch to live" is that when they translated the bible from the original (if that is infact the original) Hebrew they did it incorrectly... the word does not mean WITCH but POISONER, just as na'satan means accuser and has nothing to do with evil. Just a little trivial knowledge from my training as a Catholic. Blessed Be! Jess From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:59:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: Down with J.K. Rowling? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4081 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Down with J.K. Rowling? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4076] Re: Down with J.K. Rowling? Date: 7/12/00 4:59 pm (ET) >>>behaving like trolls on a bender<<< Now that I've quit laughing at that particularly colorful phrase, I must thank you, Neil, for providing me with a phrase I hope to use in the future (with full credits to you!) I also think that JKR looks tired in all the recent photos. And from interviews I've seen she always seems uncomfortable with all the attention. She wrote a book whose popularity is most likely beyond anything she could have imagined and now every intimate aspect of her life is being analyzed. Oh, the wicked price of fame! Personally, I think she should be left alone to do what makes her happiest: WRITE. Just my opinion. Trina From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 20:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:59:00 -0400 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4082 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance Reply To: [Yahoo! #4068] Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Date: 7/12/00 4:59 pm (ET) <<It's even funnier since it's wrong. It's Her-my-knee! Jim Dale says it right.>> No, no, a thousand times no! It's Her-MY-oh-nee. How many more times? Jim Dale is wrong. He also pronounces Gryffindor incorrectly, BTW, but I'll let him off, as his voices are great! Neil From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:03:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4083 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4045] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 5:03 pm (ET) 1 knut = $.05 1 sickle = 29 knuts = $1.45 which is about a British pound, right? 1 galleon = 17 sickles = $24.65. A bit of a spoiler... r u b b e r d u c k i e y o u' r e t h e o n e.... anyway... in book 4 Harry pays 10 galleons for Omnioculars... wouldn't that be a bit steep? considering the wand is only 7... norevoli From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:04:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore Book 4 Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4084 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Dumbledore Book 4 Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4031] Dumbledore Book 4 Spoiler Date: 7/12/00 5:04 pm (ET) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > * > * > * > * > * > > > But, here's my big comment -- what is going on with the slight look of > triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry explains that his mother's > counter charm has been broken? (pg. 696 US edition) I am so worried > that Dumbledore is going to turn out to be a bad guy. Somebody, > anybody, tell me it ain't so! Could this mearly be that he is happy > that Harry will be able to defend himself now?? I imagine that look is going to be one of the hot topics for discussion while we wait for the next book. My take was that the Big V made a huge (perhaps fatal) mistake. He may be an extremely nasty character, but he's already shown (in books 1,2 & 4) that he does not always think about the consequences of his actions before taking them. I'd trust that look of Dumbledore's means that he has realized that the odds of defeating V just improved drastically. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:14:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4085 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Reply To: [Yahoo! #4068] Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance-SPOI Date: 7/12/00 5:14 pm (ET) ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** SPOILER ** 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Webster's disagrees with you. It says that Ms. Rowling had the pronunciation right, or at least the o isn't silent. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:16:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:16:00 -0400 Subject: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4086 From: norevoli Subject: Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance Reply To: [Yahoo! #4082] Re: I sense Ms. Rowling's annoyance Date: 7/12/00 5:16 pm (ET) <<It's even funnier since it's wrong. It's Her-my-knee! Jim Dale says it right.>> "No, no, a thousand times no! It's Her-MY-oh-nee. How many more times? Jim Dale is wrong. He also pronounces Gryffindor incorrectly, BTW, but I'll let him off, as his voices are great! Neil " I think it's just that when it's said, people tend to miss the "oh" and it sounds a whole lot like Her-My-knee... I remember finding an audio clip of JK reading a passage from book 3 (... I think it might be at www.bn.com, i think you have to find the link to an online interview and then after that there should be some thing to click on... I don't quite remember...)and when she said it it sounded like Her-my-knee a bit... norevoli From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:16:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:16:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4087 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4083] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 5:16 pm (ET) 10 galleons is rather steep. But do you remember, in CoS, when the Mrs. Weasley has to empty their vault to do the school shopping? Didn't they only have one galleon in their vault? Or maybe it was just a few.... I don't remember exactly, but in either case, even if a galleon is equivalent to about $25 in the US, that can't be anywhere near enough for all the items they will need to buy, not even with second-hand books and robes for Ginny. If it's less than .....hmmmmm. We know the Weasleys are poor, but is it that bad? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:19:00 -0400 Subject: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4088 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Snape and Harry - Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #3970] Snape and Harry - Spoiler Date: 7/12/00 5:19 pm (ET) YO HO HO AND SOME S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<Perhaps a sign of Harry's growing maturity... The Farewell Feast at the end of the book, where Harry and Snape look at each other, and Snape looks away, but Harry continues to study Snape for some time afterwards -- perhaps suddenly seeing him as a three-dimensional PERSON rather than just a cardbooard villain of a teacher. Although we couldn't hear Harry's thoughts, I still came away with the impression that Harry had grown up quite a bit. He's suddenly YEARS older than Ron, thanks to his ordeals.>>>> Yes, I think Harry had to grow up in a hurry in this one. And, I like your observations about potential changes in their relationship (Harry & Snape). Perhaps they will see one another in an entirely new light. I like Snape better after GoF, I think mainly because Dumbledore's trust of him is highlighted so much at the end. I trust Dumbledore, so if he trusts Snape, well then . . .And, Snape is clearly going off on a dangerous mission on behalf of the good guys. Penny From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:24:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:24:00 -0400 Subject: Article About Adult Potter Fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4089 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Article About Adult Potter Fans Reply To: [Yahoo! #4063] Article About Adult Potter Fans Date: 7/12/00 5:24 pm (ET) Thanks for linking that for those that didn't see it. It was that article that brought me here. I too was extremely upset that the group was mentioned twice, but never any URL or other identifier. The morning it was printed I wrote an email to the section's editor, asking that a correction be printed with more information. I'm not sure if that did or is going to happen. But two days later (Sunday night) the writer of the article sent me a nice email with directions on how to find you all. I guess those of us in the DC area should keep our eyes open for a re-print on-line with a link, or a correction in the print edition. Sam :) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:25:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILER -- End of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4090 From: plinsenmayer Subject: SPOILER -- End of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #3974] Re: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Date: 7/12/00 5:25 pm (ET) Spoiler space fot The Goblet of Fire S P O I L E R S P A C E S P A C E <<<What this means is that now Voldemort can be conquered. It actually IS an adantage in the long run, even if right now his rebirth feels like a set-back.>>> Yes -- this makes sense. <<<Also said by Voldemort: 'But how to get at Harry Potter? For he has been better protected than I think even he knows, protected in ways devised by Dumbledore long ago, when it fell to him to arrange the boy's future. Dumbledore invoked an ancient magic, to ensure the boy's protection as long as he is in his relations' care. Not even I can touch him there.>>>> <<<Does this mean that the protection is on Harry when he is with the Dursley's or when he is in Privet Drive? I would assume the former. Does this mean Dumbledore would do anything in his power to make sure the Dursley's live? I would like to know the Dursley's reaction if they ever found out about this!>>> I wonder about that too -- how protected is Harry if he's in the Dursley's backyard? On Privet Drive? In King's Cross? On the Hogwarts' Express? Speaking of the Hogwarts Express -- seems like a good target for the Voldemort forces, doesn't it? Will Dumbledore take the journey to London to pick up the students? <g> I do wonder how far the "protection of the Dursleys" extends. And, yes, I'd sure like to know what they'd think about that! They've been harboring the prime target of a really evil villain all these years -- that would be a shock to them I'm sure! Penny From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:28:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4091 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4073] Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Date: 7/12/00 5:28 pm (ET) Oh yeah, this has spoilers, so if you have not read Goblet of Fire, do not read this post. S P O I L E R S P A C E Good points. I had sort of thought about the first point of Pt. 2 myself, but if our evil villian didn't go out of his way to think up long, complicated plots that would probably fail, then there wouldn't be much of a book. But I at least still consider GoF a children's book, and 11-year-olds generally aren't that fussy. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4092 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4083] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 5:32 pm (ET) Can I try it in English money...? 1 knut = 2p 1 sickle = 29 knuts = 58p 1 galleon = 17 sickles = '9.86 s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s ssssssssssss So, the wand is about '66, the Triwizard prize is just short of '10,000 and Dobby's Hogwart's salary is '9.86 a week (but Dumbledore wanted to give him '98.60). The newspaper in Book 1 is 10p, and silver unicorn horns are '200 or so. Sounds about right to me. The omnioculars are typical of large-scale sporting events, where the punters are expected to pay '3 for a bottle of pop, and '5 for a programme. I wonder of they have notes, or just coins? I wouldn't fancy clanking round dark alleys with 1,000 gold Galleons in my pocket. Fudge drops a bag of a thousand Galleons on Harry's bedside table at the end of GoF, which would undoubtedly smash it to firewood. Oh well... Neil From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:39:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4093 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4092] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 5:39 pm (ET) Also at the beginning of the book, the muggle in charge of the campsite remarks that someone tried to pay him with "foreign" coins the size of hubcaps. Are galleons supposed to be that big??????? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:39:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Up With / Down With J.K.Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4094 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Up With / Down With J.K.Rowling Reply To: [Yahoo! #4029] Up With / Down With J.K.Rowling Date: 7/12/00 5:39 pm (ET) Hi Nick: <<<I'm torn between which one to write... while I feel the books are good, I also feel that there is a lack of an official fan club, that Jo does not appreciate that there are adult fans, and the publishers are making little to no effort in providing fans with information.>>> I think the adult fans have heretofore been underestimated, but I do think we got some good publicity out of last weekend. There seem to have been some journalists who picked up on the adult fan base and spread the word. Hopefully that will increase. Hopefully people will begin to realize that the books are no longer geared to that 9-12 age group. I don't think GoF falls into that category anyway. I have no opinions on whether JKR has done anything one way or another re: this. It seems she has said in interviews that she really didn't set out to write "children's books," which says to me that she acknowledges that there could be appeal to adults. What I really want is the NY Times to reverse its incredibly stupid decision to remove the HP books to a separate "children's list." <vbg> I think representatives from this list who live in NYC should make an appeal to the Book Review Editor in person (and no, I'm not really kidding . . . not so much anyway!). Penny From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:43:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:43:00 -0400 Subject: Down with J.K. Rowling? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4095 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Down with J.K. Rowling? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4076] Re: Down with J.K. Rowling? Date: 7/12/00 5:43 pm (ET) Thanks for the reply Neil... and everyone else who's contacted me. I don't think I'm good at writing anything negative... it's hard to be negative about an author who's work you like. Maybe I (we even if any of you would like to assist) could write 150 words on the Up With side. However, the brief for the Up With is: >I imagine the in favour one would be along the >lines of her being a wonderful writer who has >showed children how much fun reading can be. Hmm... well it certainy has got children reading - and also many adults. I think any short article needs to mention adults... it's not just a book for children. Nick. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:45:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4096 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4067] Re: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Date: 7/12/00 5:45 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S P O I L E R But he looked that way in tSS too. Something he did to get immortality makes sense to me. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4097 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4045] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/12/00 5:52 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Well, most newspapers cost about a quarter (note to the UK: that means a quarter of a dollar, or 25 cents). So if 5 knuts = $.25, then 1 knut = $.05 1 sickle = 29 knuts = $1.45 which is about a British pound, right? 1 galleon = 17 sickles = $24.65. Hmmmm.......sounds like too much. In Book 3, Hermione has 10 galleons spending money -- almost $250 sounds like a lot of spending money for a 13 year old girl. And Harry pays 7 galleons for his wand, which would be $172.55. Pretty steep, although, personally, I would be willing to pay that much for a magic wand.>>> I liked these figures better than the scaled down version. I would not think $150-$200 for a wand to be unreasonable -- it is supposed to be their wand for the rest of their lives, right? I agree that $250 is alot for a cat, but it never says that she spent the entire 10 galleons on Crookshanks, does it? If Hermione is upper middle class & an only child, that amount of money for her b-day gift might not be that out of whack. SPOILER WARNING (VERY END OF GOF) la dee dah dee dah s p o i l e r s p a c e Harry gives about 1000 galleons to Fred & George, right? Under the $25 exchange rate (rounding), he gave them $25,000. That's a good amount of capital to start a small business. But, $5000 is alot less likely to get a business running. I'm inclined to go with the higher estimate. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 21:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:56:00 -0400 Subject: Snape'n'Harry - another theory (spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4098 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Snape'n'Harry - another theory (spoiler) Date: 7/12/00 5:56 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R G O F S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R G O F Snape is almost like a henchman to Dumbledore and is 'trapped' because he owes him something, and for this reason, I think he resents Harry bitterly. Harry is Dumbeldore's proteg' - an 'berwizard in training - who, to Snape's mind, has pushed him into a lesser role. Once he'd switched from the dark side to the light, Snape still craved power by association, so he served Dumbledore unfailingly and did his bidding, in much the same way as Wormtail serves Voldemort. The arrival of Harry at Hogwarts was a huge blow to Snape. Here was the very boy who, in surviving his attack, had defeated Voldemort. Snape wanted so badly to prove himself to Dumbledore, but had never really got the chance; Harry always saved the day. Harry the hero. Harry the invincible. At the end of Book 5, Dumbledore, assigns Snape an important role in countering the rise of Voldemort. Snape's eyes glitter with glee. Naturally. At last, it's his turn for the limelight. Okay, that's another one of my off-my-head theories. I'm afraid I also think Dumbledore is not nearly as saintly as he appears. We shall see. Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:09:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4099 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4008] Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/12/00 6:09 pm (ET) To kick off our Chapter 1 discussions, I have summarized Chapter 1 below -- I have written the summary with knowledge of the entire book (and the responses of others may reference later events), so SPOILER WARNING. S P O I L E R S P A C E "There's some murder that Wormtail was to commit -- a murder that will clear the path to Harry. Crouch Jr. was the one who killed Crouch Sr. after all. " This might be the case but as I remember Crouch says that he had to kill him because he turned up. Also in the second 'dream' Harry has (I think this is right) Voldemort says that Wormtail has messed up. This would suggest that he let Crouch sr. get away. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:20:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILER -- End of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4100 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: SPOILER -- End of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #4090] SPOILER -- End of GoF Date: 7/12/00 6:20 pm (ET) Spoiler space fot The Goblet of Fire S P O I L E R S P A C E S P A C E <<<I wonder about that too -- how protected is Harry if he's in the Dursley's backyard? On Privet Drive? In King's Cross? On the Hogwarts' Express? Speaking of the Hogwarts Express -- seems like a good target for the Voldemort forces, doesn't it? Will Dumbledore take the journey to London to pick up the students?>>> This is a good question. I guess it is when he is with the Dursley's. In PoA the Weasley's escort him to the station because of the threat posed by Sirius, so this suggests that there is no other protection on him than when he is with them. <<<I do wonder how far the "protection of the Dursleys" extends. And, yes, I'd sure like to know what they'd think about that! They've been harboring the prime target of a really evil villain all these years -- that would be a shock to them I'm sure!>>> But it will have no effect on them as Voldemort says he can not attack Harry while he is with them. I am not sure how anti-Harry the Dursley's are. They still pick him up at the end of the year and they still communicate with him, well about as well as they ever did. They must like him a little as they have not put him in an orphanage or is this that have been bribed to do so. At the end of the day they just seem to be trying to get as much out of him for as little as possible input. From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:27:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:27:00 -0400 Subject: A Concern Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4101 From: davehoz Subject: Re: A Concern Reply To: [Yahoo! #3942] A Concern Date: 7/12/00 6:27 pm (ET) I think she's just forshadowing that eventually the use of Harry's blood will backfire on Voldemort somehow that only Dumbledore currently foresees... From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:39:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4102 From: Danemead Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 6:39 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day discover that ALL their neighbors are wizards in disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" - LOL! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: What comes after Book 7? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4103 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: What comes after Book 7? Date: 7/12/00 6:40 pm (ET) I was just reading a response to some comments I posted in a Diana Wynne Jones mailing list I've joined (collective groan as Neil mentions DWJ yet again). Anyway, we were discussing JKR vs DWJ, and the respondent mentioned that Rowling had said, in a BBC interview, that when the Harry Potter series is finished, she *might* write again, but not necessarily publish. That would be sad - especially if it's the fault of the media attention. I'm beginning to worry that she might give up before HP VII (but, I guess she's contractually obliged). Neil From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:42:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4104 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4102] Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 6:42 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day discover that ALL their neighbors are wizards in disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" - LOL! >>>>>> I was just thinking the same thing! There is NO WAY that Rowling would accidentally use the name Figg twice! From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:42:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and the Change of Tactics Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4105 From: davehoz Subject: Harry Potter and the Change of Tactics Reply To: [Yahoo! #3964] Children's Literature Collector Enlists Date: 7/12/00 6:42 pm (ET) >They frankly state that love is the strongest magic of all. I don't recall ever reading of anyone objecting >to The Wizard of Oz on religious grounds, though all the Oz books are full of magic and magical characters. Actually, there *have* been attacks on the Oz books in the past, but nothing like we're currently seeing for Harry... BTW, did anyone else catch that clip on CNN last week? It appears the anti-Harry league is taking a leaf out of the Creationists' book and arguing that Witchcraft is a religion and that therefore to allow Harry Potter in schools violates seperation of church and state. (This from the same guys who in other forums have argued that seperation of church and state is just "a product of some infidel's imagination"!) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 22:42:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4106 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4073] Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Date: 7/12/00 6:42 pm (ET) Spoilers for book 4 are containded in this message. S P O I L E R S P A C E This might seem quite irrelevant as it is about Quidditch but anyway! "Another thing that I feel is a plot hole is the complete lack of Quidditch at Hogwarts all year." This has conviently put off all the question of who will be the new Quidditch captains. It is interesting that new captains are now neaded for at least three of the houses. There is of course the possibility of no more quidditch. If this is the case I will be quite dissapointed. Even though the times are bad the students still need their fun! If we assume that there will be Quidditch in book 5, then the extra year gap will make Harry a more obvious candidate for Captain. Also maybe he can put in to practice some of the moves he saw at the world cup. Simon PS: Sorry for a post that is not really in keeping with the tone of GoF From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:02:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:02:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4107 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4104] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 7:02 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day discover that ALL their neighbors are wizards in disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" - LOL! >>>>>> "I was just thinking the same thing! There is NO WAY that Rowling would accidentally use the name Figg twice!" This is of course the obvious statement and we have made too many 'obvious' predictions which have turned out to be wrong. It was however my first thought. Maybe this is part of the protection that Harry has, that has been talked about. It would not be the first name from the first book that comes back to us later in the series! Simon From the_mad_cowtipper at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:12:00 2000 From: the_mad_cowtipper at yahoo.com (the_mad_cowtipper) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4108 From: the_mad_cowtipper Subject: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Date: 7/12/00 7:12 pm (ET) http://mrshowbiz.go.com/news/Todays_Stories/711/harrypottermovie071100.html Is the veddy British Harry Potter getting Hollywoodized? Author J.K. Rowling is insisting that in Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone, the first film based on her wildly successful book series, Harry be played by a British unknown. But we hear that director Chris Columbus -- the American schlockmeister responsible for such feel-good films as Home Alone and Bicentennial Man -- is pressuring to cast an American in the lead and even to film the darn thing on American soil. According to MSNBC columnist Jeannette Walls, British casting agent Susie Figgis has quit in a huff, saying that Columbus is undermining her efforts by refusing to call any British boys back for second auditions. Figgis has been replaced with an American casting director, Janet Hirshenson, Walls says, leading to more whispering that Harry Potter really will go Hollywood. American tykes whose names have been floated to star as the magical lad include The Sixth Sense's Haley Joel Osment and Malcolm in the Middle's Frankie Muniz, neither of whom remotely resembles the character as depicted in the book's illustrations. So far, 40,000 young Potter hopefuls have applied for the star role, and 300 have been auditioned. At least the teachers at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry may have the right accent: Tim Roth, Maggie Smith, and Robbie Coltrane have already been approached to join the Potter franchise. One unidentified source tells Walls that Warner Bros. is definitely eyeing the bottom line in making the all-important casting choice and would prefer more of "an American flavor" to the film. "We're talking about a potential difference in the eight figures. No decision has been made yet, but it's something they have to consider," the source says. Warner Bros. chose not to comment on the matter. Filming is expected to start shortly and Warner Bros. is aiming for a Christmas 2001 date, pushed back from the original summer 2001 release. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:14:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5... :) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4109 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Book 5... :) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4106] Re: Book 4 comments: Pt. 2 Date: 7/12/00 7:14 pm (ET) Speculation on book 5 are containded in this message, which was a spoiler for Book 4, but veered off into other territory.... S P O I L E R S P A C E <<If we assume that there will be Quidditch in book 5, then the extra year gap will make Harry a more obvious candidate for Captain.>> My galleons are on Angelina Johnson as Captain of Gryffindor team in Book 5. She should still be at Hogwarts next year. She was happy to put her name in the Goblet of Fire and she dated a Weasley twin, so she has the right level of bravado. I think making Harry captain of the Quidditch team is one moment of glory too many, deserved though it may be. Let him have a let down next year to keep him humble. A bit of a knockback will do him good!! <<PS: Sorry for a post that is not really in keeping with the tone of GoF>> Don't apologise! I thought it was a valid point concerning GoF, leading on to speculation about Book 5. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:22:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4110 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4107] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 7:22 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** <<"I was just thinking the same thing! There is NO WAY that Rowling would accidentally use the name Figg twice!">> <This is of course the obvious statement and we have made too many 'obvious' predictions which have turned out to be wrong.> **Ever hear the phrase "don't care two figs" about something? My wild theory is that Mrs Figg, the muggle has a magical twin sister, Arabella. JKR likes twins. Yes, it is daft, isn't it? Neil From sakerio at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:37:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:37:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4111 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4110] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 7:37 pm (ET) This is a spoiler space la da la da de da s p o i l r e s p a c e a s r e q u e s t e d I have actually thought the same thing, and that Privet drive itself may be filled with muggle relatives needing protection for whatever reason, and that there may be a few "old" wizards around to supervise so to speak. Rio From innwilly at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:43:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:43:00 -0400 Subject: Potter Movie Stars Suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4112 From: innwilly Subject: Potter Movie Stars Suggestions Date: 7/12/00 7:43 pm (ET) Of course I agree that the stars of the Harry Potter movie should be British, but if they were to use American actors, I think David Carradine would be a good Snape, and Jack Nicholson would be great as any of the villains. I'm not a big fan of his, but I recall his portrayal of the possessed father in "The Shining" was one of the most menacing characters I've ever seen. Just got to thinking about that after reading the boards last night and thought I'd toss it in. From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 23:59:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: Beautiful! Fits perfectly! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4113 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: Beautiful! Fits perfectly! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4037] Beautiful! Fits perfectly! Date: 7/12/00 7:59 pm (ET) Dee, I am not sure from where the quote came. I grew up with it framed on the wall in my house. I not only like it, but I try to live by it. Read on... Melissa From galileo_did at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:00:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:00:00 -0400 Subject: Hollywood Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4114 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: Hollywood Reply To: [Yahoo! #4052] Hollywood Date: 7/12/00 8:00 pm (ET) The only movies I have seen that ever do their books justice are the ones in which the authors are directly involved with the adaptive screenplay and (sometimes) the direction. Ex: TV movie of Stephen King's "The Stand". Not only did he adapt the novel into a screenplay form, he also sat with the director and watched the making of the actual movie, and was available to the actors when they needed "tips" on their characters. Maybe Columbus will take this tactic to heart and ask Rowling to help? I hope so... Galileo From galileo_did at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:23:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4115 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4104] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 8:23 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day discover that ALL their neighbors are wizards in disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" - LOL! >>>>>> <<<I was just thinking the same thing! There is NO WAY that Rowling would accidentally use the name Figg twice! >>> Don't forget that the Weasley's tent at the Quidditch match looks (and smells) suspiciously like the interior of Ms. Figg's house... ;) Galileo From galileo_did at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:28:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4116 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4108] The Movie (sorry if already posted) Date: 7/12/00 8:28 pm (ET) <<<American tykes whose names have been floated to star as the magical lad include The Sixth Sense's Haley Joel Osment>>> Haley Joel Osment? More of a Colin Creevey, don't you think? ;) IMHO, I think Columbus should take a George Lucas-esque approach to casting... Give the unknowns a chance. Galileo From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4117 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4107] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 8:28 pm (ET) Hi: <<<SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** <<<I was just thinking the same thing! There is NO WAY that Rowling would accidentally use the name Figg twice!">>> <<<This is of course the obvious statement and we have made too many 'obvious' predictions which have turned out to be wrong.>>> <<<It was however my first thought. Maybe this is part of the protection that Harry has, that has been talked about. It would not be the first name from the first book that comes back to us later in the series!>>> Don't forget that Harry is reminded of Mrs. Figg's house when he first steps into the boys' tent at the World Cup campgrounds. Yet another "Figg" reference. :--) Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:40:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: Article about Anti-Harry People in US Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4118 From: heiditandy Subject: Article about Anti-Harry People in US Date: 7/12/00 8:40 pm (ET) There are no spoilers here. http://www.prospect.org/webarchives/00-07/mooney-c0711.html To wit, ""There's no denying Harry Potter has a lot of symbolism for Wiccans," comments Karen Jo Gounaud, president of Family Friendly Libraries. "Everyone is a witch or warlock; they cast spells, drink blood. They believe in reincarnation."" Well, some people are muggles, noone is a warlock (they are WIZARDS!), the magical people cast spells, but the only drinking of blood is (a) Quirrel's drinking of Unicorn blood, and various creatures drinks of Hagrid (and Malfoy's) blood. Any thoughts? From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:43:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4119 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4116] Re: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Date: 7/12/00 8:43 pm (ET) Warner Bros and Chris Columbus should get a clue that it won't be who is in the movie, but the movie title itself that will get customers. I, for one, will be upset if the lead character goes to an American actor. Harry grew up in Surrey, not South Dakota. Trina (an American herself) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 00:51:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Slate Magazine Book Club Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4120 From: heiditandy Subject: Slate Magazine Book Club Reply To: [Yahoo! #4118] Article about Anti-Harry People in US Date: 7/12/00 8:51 pm (ET) Talk about reading the books from an adult perspective - you can't get much more grown up than an analogy to King Lear! http://slate.msn.com/code/BookClub/BookClub.asp?Show=7/10/00&idMessage=5648&idBi o=183 This week, a discussion of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, by J.K. Rowling. Jodi Kantor edits Slate's "Book Club," "Breakfast Table," and "Diary" features. Judith Shulevitz writes the "Culturebox" column. They both started reading The Goblet of Fire over the weekend and decided to compare notes. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:22:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:22:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4121 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4111] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/12/00 9:22 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e s p o i l e r s p a c e <<<< I have actually thought the same thing, and that Privet drive itself may be filled with muggle relatives needing protection for whatever reason, and that there may be a few "old" wizards around to supervise so to speak.>>>> Now, that is an interesting thought! It's very possible... Have you noticed that the Dursleys will never seem to leave Harry alone for fear he might blow something up? The only time they've left him with anyone has been with Mrs. Figg. If he's protected when with the Dursleys, their fear of what he might do could be a very convenient thing for those trying to protect Harry. It means he's always with them.... It seems to me that there are a lot of people taking care of Harry--which is only natural, I know. And I mean more than just trying to keep him alive. He is often treated as if he is fragile (despite several events which prove he can handle more than people think he can)-- most people are very careful of his feelings. Of course a couple of notable exceptions would be Malfoy and Snape. Karin From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:25:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:25:00 -0400 Subject: more HP coverage on Washingtonpost.com Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4122 From: sammie_dd Subject: more HP coverage on Washingtonpost.com Date: 7/12/00 9:25 pm (ET) Washingtopost.com had a live discussion with their book reviewer this afternoon. http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/00/schools0713.htm The first quote from Silver Spring is my husband's! Sammie D. From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:30:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:30:00 -0400 Subject: New Members Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4123 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: New Members Reply To: [Yahoo! #3997] New Members Date: 7/12/00 9:30 pm (ET) Neil--I found out about the club by searching through the existing HP Yahoo clubs. Actually, I was interested in starting a HP club for my former fifth grade students, so that we could continue discussing the books through the summer (which I have done, by the way). When reading the various club titles "..for Grown Ups" caught my eye, so I took a look and immediately joined. Interestingly, the messages I've read are similar to the discussions that took place in my classroom (at a much more basic level there, of course). What a GRAND series for a teacher to use with her class! After reading SS last summer, I KNEW this series was going to be irresistible to my eleven year-olds. Without going into detail, we had a MAGICAL year with Harry! We even had a special Harry Potter Day when our classroom was transformed into HSWW...complete with G and S common rooms. I don't think I've ever had so much fun in school! The kids LOVED it! I introduced myself as a substitute professor (Prof. Nellup), and I explained to my "first years" that Dumbledore had surprised the regular staff with a little daytrip to the casinos in Atlantic City. (Yes...I'm from NJ). Life-long memories were formed that day. The motivation to read that has bloomed in even the weakest and most reluctant readers has truly been a joy to behold. I'm not surprised by the growing number of adult fans. I sincerely believe we adults love these books because they awaken the "child" in each of us...the spirit of fantasy and imagination at its best.(Sorry this is so long!) ~Val~ From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:43:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4124 From: GypsyCaine Subject: J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind HP Date: 7/12/00 9:43 pm (ET) http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=49KW24QD7J&mscs sid=TAMGWQJAB0SR2L4U001PQU67DLF1FVG1&isbn=0312272243 Anyone heard of this? Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 01:50:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:50:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4125 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Via Email.... Date: 7/12/00 9:50 pm (ET) You know, it's rather funny. The new feature that yahoo has installed, getting the posts via email? Only 28 members are using it out of 352. In a club like this I would've thought the number would be higher... Getting bored waiting for the "It has been shipped" notice from Amazon about SS! BN is shipping CoS due to the fact Amazon seems to have run out overnite! Yesterday, I checked, and they only were charging 9.97 with 24 hours shipping. Now Amazon is charging 19.99 with 1-2 weeks waiting time! Amazing! That's how I learned about that link earlier, it popped up when I pulled a search up on BN, so of course, I grabbed that book too! I know actually very little of Ms.Rowling, and I hope that book is a good one that gives me more facts (besides the shopping bag one I heard via the grapevine! That she wrote most of the first book via brown wrappers?). :) Counting down to HP Day! Dee From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:02:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4126 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Via Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4125] Via Email.... Date: 7/12/00 10:02 pm (ET) >>>You know, it's rather funny. The new feature that yahoo has installed, getting the posts via email? Only 28 members are using it out of 352. In a club like this I would've thought the number would be higher...<<< LOL =P Just last night I was commenting to my brother why anyone would use that feature in a club like this...hundreds of posts a day...imagine being away for a few days...even with that new inbox upgrade yahoo's just given us, our inbox would burst! -Emily- From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4127 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Email.... Date: 7/12/00 10:05 pm (ET) I use it for that reason! I always get a few moments to check email, but checking email and clubs (I have the max) gets to be a pain. I have all 30 clubs coming into my mail box, and my yahoo account dumps into my ip account (a bit larger, it dumps onto my hd of 20 gig!). As long as I click "email" on the keyboard shortcut key (love that gateway function!) every hour or so, even if I can't read the mail, it keeps the yahoo clean and fresh. And, yes, I am getting about 500 emails daily! :) Dee From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:13:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4128 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Reply To: [Yahoo! #4040] USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Date: 7/12/00 10:13 pm (ET) Hi: <<<It's an interesting article, in the sense that it completely ignores/undercuts the motherliness of Mrs Weasley, the brightness and importantness of Professor McGonegal, and the changes in Hermione from the first book through this book. The writer calls her "bossy, shrill, exasperating and meddlesome to a degree that puzzles Kathleen Odean. . . .>>> I agree completely. I really don't understand this particular criticism of JKR's work. I think Hermione is quite a strong character, and I think McGonagall has become increasingly multi-dimensional as the series progresses. And, yes Mrs. Weasley's nurturing and kindness are good traits. Plus, it's pretty obvious which Weasley runs the family (IMO). The article also notes that boys take action while girls study. Um, did she miss Hermione's pivotal role in each of the action plots in Books 1 & 3? And . . . SPOILER WARNING s p a c e in GoF, Harry & Hermione are both told they have the makings of an excellent auror -- there's an action career if ever there was one! Tracking down dark wizards. Interestingly, Moody doesn't make this recommendation to Ron. <g> Penny From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:17:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4129 From: echomyst Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/12/00 10:17 pm (ET) There are so many posts each day, I'm not sure if someone has answered these already--so sorry about that! * * * S P O I L E R S * * * I'm still puzzled why "Moody" (Barty Crouch) obeyed Dumbledore and taught his classes the illegal curses--even though he must know they'd help Harry duel Voldemort! Also, you know how Neville is always so quiet in class? How come he suddenly put up his hand in the Defence Against Dark Arts class and volunteered about the Cruciatus Curse? Does he know more about his parents and Voldemort's followers? Sorry again if someone's asked these questions already! Emily =) From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:24:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:24:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4130 From: echomyst Subject: Re: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Reply To: [Yahoo! #4128] Re: USA Today Article on The Girl Issue Date: 7/12/00 10:24 pm (ET) >>>SPOILER WARNING >>>s >>>p >>>a >>>c >>>e >>>in GoF, Harry and Hermione are both told they have the makings of an excellent auror--there's an action career if ever there was one! Tracking down dark wizards. Interestingly, Moody doesn't make this recommendation to Ron <g> <<< Poor Ron! Do you think he'll become jealous and snap one day, left out of so many things? In GoG, Hermione refused his invitation to the dance, he's always feeling down because his family's poor, and now...Moody doesn't think he's good enough to become an auror! Emily =P From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:25:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4131 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4127] Email.... Date: 7/12/00 10:25 pm (ET) >>>And, yes, I am getting about 500 emails daily!<<< No way! Do you read them all?? Emily =P From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:27:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4132 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4131] Re: Email.... Date: 7/12/00 10:27 pm (ET) Wellll most from here look like this: S P O I ... Grins! and I just ignore them. Or they are "buy this from this store" type. I prolly read about 350-400. From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:30:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:30:00 -0400 Subject: Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4133 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4132] Re: Email.... Date: 7/12/00 10:30 pm (ET) That's still a lot! ps You don't read any of the spoilers then? Emily =) From innwilly at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:32:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:32:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4134 From: innwilly Subject: Re: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Reply To: [Yahoo! #4105] Harry Potter and the Change of Tactics Date: 7/12/00 10:32 pm (ET) So there were attacks on the Oz books, huh? Just shows how much I knew about that. : ) In that case, we should also ban Cinderella, because her fairy Godmother clearly practiced transfiguration when she changed the mice to horses, and a pumpkin into a carriage. We must also do away with Snow White, since the evil queen definitely misused potions when she made that poison apple. In fact, I suppose we'd best do completely away with the Grimm Brothers and Hans Christian Andersen. I wonder just where it would stop? In the light of what we have read or recall about the various book burnings through the ages, it's a pretty frightening thought. As for separation of church and state as it pertains to school libraries, if all books containing references to religion were removed from schools, I wonder how many books would actually be left? I seem to remember reading Gift of the Magi in school, but of course it would have to be put aside since it is a Christmas story. When you actually stop and think about the repercussions, it borders on the ridiculous, doesn't it? From galileo_did at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:34:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:34:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4135 From: galileo_did Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4129] Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/12/00 10:34 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<I'm still puzzled why "Moody" (Barty Crouch) obeyed Dumbledore and taught his classes the illegal curses--even though he must know they'd help Harry duel Voldemort!>>> I noticed a lot of inconsistencies with Moody/crouch... like this one... and the fact that he tells Harry and Hermione that they would be great aurors... wouldn't he want to discourage that sort of aspiration, being a dark wizard himself? Perhaps he was trying to lead them into it, in order to make them targets in the future? Still seems thin. I'm reminded of when I am a storyteller for an RPG and have to pull an ending out of my hat at short notice because the game has to end for one reason or another... in a pinch, anyone will do as a villian, (damn the previous plotline, and full speed ahead!). Could it be that JKR was looking at someone else to be an accomplice but it didn't work out and at the last minute was forced to come up with a different ending? The whole real-Moody-being-locked-in-his-trunk-for-ten-months thing is reaching a bit, for me... someone else mentioned wondering why Dumbledore hadn't caught on a bit sooner, and I agree with that. What do you guys think? Galileo From innwilly at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:43:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:43:00 -0400 Subject: What comes after Book 7? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4136 From: innwilly Subject: Re: What comes after Book 7? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4103] What comes after Book 7? Date: 7/12/00 10:43 pm (ET) I've been thinking that, if she writes one Potter book a year through book VII, her juvenile readers will grow up with Harry and join the ranks of we adult fans; in which case she could conceivably continue the series from now on, with Harry as a grown up wizard, and even begin a new juvenile series about Harry's children. Hehehe. (evil laugh) From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 02:56:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:56:00 -0400 Subject: What comes after Book 7? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4137 From: echomyst Subject: Re: What comes after Book 7? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4136] Re: What comes after Book 7? Date: 7/12/00 10:56 pm (ET) >>>...in which case she could conceivably continue the series from now on, with Harry as a grownup wizard, and even begin a new juvenile series about Harry's children. Hehehe (evil laugh)<<< <g> nah, that couldn't work...I love the HP series, but I think if it becomes a long-running one, it'll become boring (think of all those cartoons/anime...eg DragonBall, which later turned into DragonBallZ...) Emily ;-) From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:01:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: Slate Magazine Book Club Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4138 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Slate Magazine Book Club Reply To: [Yahoo! #4120] Slate Magazine Book Club Date: 7/12/00 11:01 pm (ET) Thanks for the link to the Slate Magazine Book Club discussions. I really enjoyed them. Margaret From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4139 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Bill Weasley Date: 7/12/00 11:02 pm (ET) Hi: Thought I'd try & trigger the Bill Weasley discussions again -- I think I come out somewhere in between the person who pegged him as the biker type and cj who put him in birkenstacks & tie-dye -- I think he's one of those rumpled professor types who has a ponytail, earring and shows up for class in jeans, a sports jacket over a t-shirt, and sneakers. That's what I'm picturing anyway. SPOILER WARNING s p a c e I missed the whole Bill/Fleur interaction -- can someone point out where that is. I'm re-reading, but much more slowly. I think I can see how they might be attracted physically, but I somehow ended up with the thought that Fleur was a bit vapid & snooty. Not likely to appeal to Bill I wouldn't think. Although, I guess her attitude to Harry changed after Task 2 -- so maybe she's not so vapid & snooty as I recall. Hmm. . . I don't know about a Bill/Fleur romance. Do we really think Fleur will be a big character in the next book? I like Bill. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him & Charlie in the coming books. I suspect he'll get very drawn into the fight against Voldemort. Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:07:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4140 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Mrs. Figg Date: 7/12/00 11:07 pm (ET) "Every year Harry was left behind with Mrs. Figg, a mad old lady who lived two streets away. Harry hated it there.The whole house smelled of cabbage and Mrs. Figg made him look at all the photographs of all the cats she'd ever owned." ..... "You could just leave me here," Harry put in hopefully (he'd be able to watch what he wanted on tv for a changend maybe even go on Dudley's computer.) Aunt Petunia looked as though she'd just swallowed a lemon. "And come back and find the house in ruins?" She snarled. ..... Hmmmmmmm!!!! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:20:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:20:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4141 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #4139] Bill Weasley Date: 7/12/00 11:20 pm (ET) Thought I'd leap in here... Question: Was it Bill or Charlie that was Head Boy? My books are packed as I'm moving Saturday. Can Someone refresh my memory? S P O I L E R S P A C E Somehow I don't believe anything will come of Fleur and Bill. Being part veela I think she is just a major flirt who makes eyes at any red-blooded male to catch her eye. From the description of Bill, he seems the type to do so. I have more of Chris from "Northern Exposure" (American TV show from a few years ago) sort of long-haired hippie-esque Renaissance man. Of course he with Goblins, so I'm sure a dress code is not necessarily in order. Trina From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:23:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie-Keep Harry Potter British! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4142 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: The Movie-Keep Harry Potter British! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4116] Re: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Date: 7/12/00 11:23 pm (ET) I think we should all email WB and not only disabuse them of the notion that American fans demand an American Harry, but tell them that fans worldwide will boycott the movie if they change his nationality. (And, yes, I'm American) From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:33:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:33:00 -0400 Subject: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4143 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: The Movie (sorry if already posted) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4108] The Movie (sorry if already posted) Date: 7/12/00 11:33 pm (ET) If in the UNLIKELYHOOD they decided to give American actors a chance to play Harry, I don't think Frankie Muniz or Haley Joel Osment will play it (two of the hottest kid actors in Hollywood). Frankie is 14 -- therefore too old. Haley will be shooting "A.I." around the same time the "Harry Potter" movie is shooting so it's a conflict of schedule. I think if Chris Columbus is eyeing an American actor, it would be none other than LIAM AIKEN, who starred as Susan Sarandon's son in his previous film "Stepmom". He has the right look (dark hair, green eyes), the right personality (read in IMDb, he enjoys magic tricks and in one of the scenes in "Stepmom", he was wearing a wizard hat), the right age (he's 10, I think) and, judging from his performance in the movie, has the acting chops. I read somewhere that he's campaigning for the role. The only thing that blocks him from taking the role is the fact that he's American. From sakerio at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:42:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4144 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #4139] Bill Weasley Date: 7/12/00 11:42 pm (ET) This is a possible spoiler space filler etc s p o i l e r s p a c e a s r e q u i r e d Kinda like what's his name from "Head of the Class" the teacher. I agree about him(and other Weasley's no doubt) playing pivotal parts in Voldemort's downfall. Bill does not come off like the typical Headboy profile we've seen so far.He's obviously ambitious, but seems so laid back.I say he will be more fully developed next book. Rio From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:44:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: "Harry Potter" shouldn't be Americanized Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4145 From: angelx_ph Subject: "Harry Potter" shouldn't be Americanized Date: 7/12/00 11:44 pm (ET) but I don't mind American actors playing some of the roles. Why not? Glenn Close would make a wonderful Professor McGonagall, IMO. From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 03:54:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter for Everyone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4146 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Harry Potter for Everyone Reply To: [Yahoo! #366] Re: Harry Potter for Everyone Date: 7/12/00 11:54 pm (ET) Reply to post from ages ago... >>>Now if I could only find someone outside of cyberspace who has actually read the books<<< Wow, that post was from half a year ago, and guess there's no more need to answer that question! We've come a long way. Emily =) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:20:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:20:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4147 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4102] Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/13/00 12:20 am (ET) space Danemead wrote: >>>Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day discover that ALL their neighbors are wizards in disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" Joywitch responds: HAHAHAHAHAHA! Would that serve the Dursleys right, or what? I also want to take this opportunity to take my hat off to those people who pointed out before GoF came out that the Dursleys house seemed to be under some sort of magical protection. Good work with the crystal ball, folks! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4148 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4124] J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind HP Date: 7/13/00 12:21 am (ET) Dee - I posted something ages ago (inevitably in here!) about this book, but the only thing I managed to find out is that the author is a guy who writes biographies of people for a living. It struck me, therefore, as likely to be a down-market 'Wal-Mart shelf' study of JKR. The link I found said release in August 2000, and it didn't have a pic of the cover. Neil From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:26:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:26:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4149 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4135] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 12:26 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> I noticed a lot of inconsistencies with Moody/crouch... like this one... and the fact that he tells Harry and Hermione that they would be great aurors... wouldn't he want to discourage that sort of aspiration, being a dark wizard himself? Perhaps he was trying to lead them into it, in order to make them targets in the future? Still seems thin. >>> Didn't Barty Crouch, while confessing, say something like, "I had to learn how the real Moody acted so no one would suspect." If he *hadn't* taught the kids curses, or told them to become aurors, or abused the Slytherins (i.e. Draco Malfoy) he wouldn't seem like the "real" Moody, and someone -- namely Dumbledore -- would have gotten suspicious. As for why Moody/Crouch had to go through the whole Triwizard thing just so Harry could touch the trophy, perhaps Voldemort needed time to get stronger, so he couldn't bring Harry to the graveyard and perform the ritual right away. Also, if Harry *did* get killed in the tournament, he would be out of the way and Voldemort would still be able to use the blood of another enemy -- i.e. Dumbledore, even the Weasleys, maybe the Longbottoms -- and he'd rise again either way. -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:30:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:30:00 -0400 Subject: Mrs. Figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4150 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Mrs. Figg Reply To: [Yahoo! #4140] Mrs. Figg Date: 7/13/00 12:30 am (ET) >>> "You could just leave me here," Harry put in hopefully (he'd be able to watch what he wanted on tv for a changend maybe even go on Dudley's computer.) Aunt Petunia looked as though she'd just swallowed a lemon. "And come back and find the house in ruins?" She snarled. >>> I just had a thought...do you suppose Harry, when he was going through his "terrible twos" at the Dursley house, did some inadvertant damage? Harry was able to do a bit of magic, when upset or angry, before he knew he was a wizard. George Weasley (Fred?) did the same when Ron broke his toy broomstick...though just a small child, he turned Ron's teddy bear into a spider. Perhaps Harry, as a toddler, did some major damage while angry (because he was no doubt treated like scum) and this is why the Dursleys are afraid he's going to blow up the house. :) -- JoAnna From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4151 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Via Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4125] Via Email.... Date: 7/13/00 12:33 am (ET) <<The new feature that yahoo has installed, getting the posts via email? Only 28 members are using it out of 352. In a club like this I would've thought the number would be higher...>> I much prefer reading the messages in the club environment. I think a few of the 28 people selected the e-mail option to avoid the occasional glitches with Yahoo. Also, I was on a few other e-mail lists, and didn't fancy coming home to 250+ e-mails every evening, especially as other 'important' e-mails would be dotted throughout! I recently switched my two of my e-mail lists to web-view only, and it's much better. This club offers other facilities, which create a 'community' feel. Access the Photos, Links and Members list, people's Profiles, the Chat room. Neil, seconded to Yahoo's marketing dept, it seems From brp13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:40:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4152 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4034] Re: Cedric (book 4 spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 12:40 am (ET) s p o i l e r a b o u t b o o k 4 Okay. Remember back to the weighing of the wands. Remember the Veela? It sounds much like here wand was home made. So it's entirely possible that wormtail has a home made wand. He also could have stolen a wand from someone who died. There are ways of course. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4153 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Reply To: [Yahoo! #4134] Re: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Date: 7/13/00 12:40 am (ET) >>>So there were attacks on the Oz books, huh? one of the zillion articles I have read recently about HP says that some fundamentalist groups attempted to get the Oz books banned from libraries in the 1980s. I once saw a poster called Banned Books -- it showed the front covers of dozens of books that had been banned in various parts of the U.S., including Catcher in the Rye, Huckleberry Finn, Lolita, etc. It was truly frightening to me that there had been so many successful attempts to prevent people from reading all those books. There are probably websites out there on censorship that provide a lot more detail. Also, there is an organization called Muggles for Harry Potter which fights the many attempts to ban the HP books. They are at www.mugglesforharrypotter.org From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:44:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4154 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4135] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 12:44 am (ET) space >>>I noticed a lot of inconsistencies with Moody/crouch... I agree with you, especially that having Moody locked in the trunk for 10 months was a real reach. The whole Moody/Crouch bit sounded a little too much like a cheezy murder mystery: Ahah! You think Professor Moody is above suspicion? But thats not really Professor Moody, it is [mysterious music and drumroll] Barty Crouch in disguise! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 04:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:59:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4155 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4154] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 12:59 am (ET) b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb <<"But thats not really Professor Moody, it is [mysterious music and drumroll] Barty Crouch in disguise!">> And if it wasn't for the Polyjuice Potion, they would have been able to rip off a rubber mask to reveal a scowling Crouch junior, saying, "..and if it hadn't been for you meddling kids, I would have got away with it!" Neil From nick_jb007 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 05:14:00 2000 From: nick_jb007 at yahoo.com (nick_jb007) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter in Paperback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4156 From: nick_jb007 Subject: Harry Potter in Paperback Date: 7/13/00 1:14 am (ET) Im wanting to know is the 2nd Harry Potter book in paperback and if it hasnt then does anyone know a date. Where can i find a FAQ about the Harry Potter Books. From sakerio at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 05:43:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4157 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4155] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 1:43 am (ET) LOL. I found that one hilarious, keep hearing the Scooby-Doo music in the background. Rio From sakerio at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 06:53:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:53:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter in Paperback Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4158 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Harry Potter in Paperback Reply To: [Yahoo! #4156] Harry Potter in Paperback Date: 7/13/00 2:53 am (ET) I'm not sure about the FAQ thing but, CoS is slated to be released on August 15th for paperback. The initial print run is 3.2 million I believe. And it looks like the 2nd printing of GoF is going to be 3 million, whew! Lotta books, no? Rio From daniella_joy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 07:08:00 2000 From: daniella_joy at yahoo.com (daniella_joy) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:08:00 -0400 Subject: Wolves in sheep's clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4159 From: daniella_joy Subject: Wolves in sheep's clothing Date: 7/13/00 3:08 am (ET) IF you are a christian, please check out this web site: http://www.crossroad.to/index.html From Orrianne at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 08:54:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:54:00 -0400 Subject: Brain Fever Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4160 From: Orrianne Subject: Brain Fever Date: 7/13/00 4:54 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e I've gone through and read all of the posts since yesterday, so I have a lot to comment on, considering everything which has been brought up. I also have some questions of my own. So, i'll just comment on things in the order in which I wrote them down, considering I'd lose track of my thoughts any other way. 1) Hermione is a great female role-model: she works hard, she's intelligent, she doesn't try to fit in with others in order to be popular. She doesn't let the teasing of others drag her down. I wish we could learn about McGongall, but hopefully more about her will be revealed later. 2) Narcissa very well might have been in Voldemorts circle. There were many there whom we know nothing about - all of those whom he swept past without speaking to. We don't know if Narcissa was there or not, and I have a feeling it might not be important to the plot of the book in the long run. 3) I read an interesting review on the Harry Potter books were a person was very upset with the way that Rowlings poked fun at and associated bad qualities with fat people. Do other people think that Rowlings has a predujice against fat people? For example, with her treatment of Dudley, or Bagman? Or any of the girls Ron or Harry wouldn't have wanted to take to the Ball? 4) Snape & Lily: This is a fun rumor to think about. Perhaps Voldemort promised Snape that he would have Lily for himself after he killed Harry and James. I'm not sure if that makes sense though, as Snape apparently left before Lily was killed. I think that there is something in WHY Voldemort keeps going after Harry - doesn't it seem as if even in tracking down the Potters Voldemort's primary target was always Harry? I wonder if prophecy or some other plot comes into play here we don't know about yet, but that Voldemort, Dumbledore, and Snape all do. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 09:04:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:04:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4161 From: Orrianne Subject: More Brain Fever Date: 7/13/00 5:04 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e 5) THE WANDS: Someone please help me on this one. I thought that the spells came out of Voldemorts wand backwards, right? For some reason, I was always under the impression that James Potter was killed /before/ Lily Potter. That Voldemort killed James and than came after Lily, who was protecting the baby. However, since Lily came last, it means that Lily was killed first, and /then/ James was killed, right? Have I got this wrong somehow? Also, about the wands, I think that we must assume that Wormtail used Voldemort's wand to kill Cedric. Voldemort told Wormtail to kill Cedric. I find it odd, though, that later Dumbledore tells everyone that it was Voldemort who killed Cedric - or that Sirius doesn't go ballistic knowing that Wormtail killed someone else /again/ for Voldemort. 6) I think there's a good reason why the cup had to be the Portkey. First of all, I'm not sure they could see that far into the maze to know that Harry was gone. Secondly, how can you turn a spell like mist into a portkey? Or turn a spider into a portkey? You have to use an object as a portkey, and I think most of the other things inside the maze were all spells or creatures, none of which would have worked. 7) I missed Quidditch too!!! And I'm hoping that Krum will transfer to Hogwarts as a student. 8) Rescue plots - well, these always are weak. I know Moody confessing everything to Harry before killing him was very Scooby-Doo-ish. And Dumbledore and co rescued him at the last minute, but it had to happen somehow! I think Rowlings wrote herself into a hole before, too, when she had the enchanted and wild car save the fearless three from the huge spiders in the forest. That was another thin moment, but hey, I'm not going to complain about it. 9) I was thrown off by the different opening too - I was wondering where Privet Drive was. However, I think that the beginning started off the story on the right note. 10) As far as the cost of the 'noculars over the price of the wand, well - you know how expensive things are in stadiums! In American you have to pay $3.00 for a hot dog at any baseball game! It's a rip off, but there you go. (PS. You people doing the mathematics for the Wizard money system have way too much time on your hands) 11) I'm surprised no one has said more about Ron and Harry's fight. I suffered all through that, I couldn't wait for them to make up. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 09:16:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:16:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4162 From: Orrianne Subject: More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 5:16 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e I have no idea what number I'm on now - so I'll switch to random letters. Z) OZ is /still/ a banned book, actually. Oz was raked over the coals by the Christian Coilition because the "Wizard of Oz" figure was obviously a subsersive "God" figure who wasn't really God. And Glinda the Good witch gave children the wrong idea about witchcraft. My Mom was a huge Oz reader - we have all of the original hardcover Oz books with the beautiful illistrations. She remembers the Oz controversy and how Oz was a banned book and even the controversy when the movie came out too. So yes, Oz was given as much flak as the Potter books are getting now. And of course there are a lot of other banned books out there - like Catcher in the Rye - which some ridiculous people decided were too dangerous. Q) I was struggling with Moody's behavior for awhile as well, some things didn't make sense to me. Like why, for example, did Moody change Draco into a ferret and go after many Slytherins if he was a Death Eater? Then I figured some of it out - Moody really did HATE all of the Death Eaters who never went to Azkaban. Moody/Crouch hated Lucius Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, and all other Death Eaters who had been living in freedom, and Moody/Crouch wanted Voldemort to punish or destroy those who had not truly been loyal. That was pretty much Moody/Crouch's reason for dragging Harry off - he just couldn't wait to hear the details of what happened. I don't think that Moody/Crouch was going to kill Harry when he dragged him off the first time, I think he really was insane and obsessed with just one thing - revenge on the other Death Eaters. If you consider how much Moody/Crouch hated all the Death Eaters who didn't go to Azkaban like he did, I think many of his actions will make more sense. B) Bill Weasley! What a hunk! I don't know what will happen with Fleur and Bill, who knows, maybe it'll be a match made in heaven, but maybe not. I do want to see more of Bill and Charlie in the future, but I also want to see more of Fred and George - they are my favorites, without a doubt. As far as who was who.... Percy was the Prefect, Charlie was the seeker for Quidditch, and Bill was the Head Boy. George and Fred are the popular jokers and beaters for Quidditch, while Ron.... Well, I'm hoping that Ron and Hermione end up together, and Ron takes over the Ministry one day. Unfortunately, that won't be covered in the books, now will it? O) I'm interested to learn more about Neville. I hope that Harry will make more of an effort to befriend Neville, or admire him, considering what Neville has been through. I think a lot will depend on Neville and Snape in the future. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 09:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:46:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4163 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Via Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4151] Re: Via Email.... Date: 7/13/00 5:46 am (ET) "Also, I was on a few other e-mail lists, and didn't fancy coming home to 250+ e-mails every evening, especially as other 'important' e-mails would be dotted throughout!" This was a problem I had when I first selected to get the posts by e-mail. I have since then set up my e-mail program to move all the posts to the groups into folders for each of the list. So I have a HP for Grown ups folder which receives all of this groups post. This leaves my inbox with just messages sent to me. I then log onto the website to check anything else I need to and send replies. Simon From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 12:10:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:10:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4164 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Via Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4151] Re: Via Email.... Date: 7/13/00 8:10 am (ET) <<The new feature that yahoo has installed, getting the posts via email? Only 28 members are using it out of 352. In a club like this I would've thought the number would be higher...>> I use the email feature, because I check the board mainly while I am at work. And I feel much more comfortable having my email up all day as opposed to Yahoo! From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 12:26:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:26:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4165 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4155] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 8:26 am (ET) Good morning, all! S P O I L E R S P O I L E R <<And if it wasn't for the Polyjuice Potion, they would have been able to rip off a rubber mask to reveal a scowling Crouch junior, saying, "..and if it hadn't been for you meddling kids, I would have got away with it!">> Oh my, Neil, you're completely dating yourself now! (I loved Scooby Doo, too!) From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 12:29:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:29:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4166 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: More Brain Fever II Reply To: [Yahoo! #4162] More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 8:29 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>I'm interested to learn more about Neville. I hope that Harry will make more of an effort to befriend Neville, or admire him, considering what Neville has been through. I think a lot will depend on Neville and Snape in the future. << I also hope Harry and Neville become a little closer. I can see Harry becoming a sort of protector for Neville against Snape, especially now that he knows they have soemting in common- losing their parents due to Voldemort. I also think that he might tell Hermione and Ron what he knows, so that they too will look out for Neville From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 12:37:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:37:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4167 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: More Brain Fever II Reply To: [Yahoo! #4166] Re: More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 8:37 am (ET) This message contains spoilers for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. S P O I L E R S P A C E "I also think that he might tell Hermione and Ron what he knows, so that they too will look out for Neville" Dumbledore asked him not to say anything until Neville was ready to talk to them about it. I can not see Harry breaking his trust with Dumbledore. He will just wait and look after Neville as much as he can by himself until such a time comes that they are told about what has happened. Simon From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 12:48:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4168 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: More Brain Fever II Reply To: [Yahoo! #4167] Re: More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 8:48 am (ET) OOPS! Having only read GoF once I forget details like that. (I'm going to start round II reading this weekend.) You're right, Harry would never go against Dumbledore's wishes. Sammie D.D :) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 13:19:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: Draco the Bouncing Ferret Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4169 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Draco the Bouncing Ferret Reply To: [Yahoo! #4149] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 9:19 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> Didn't Barty Crouch, while confessing, say something like, "I had to learn how the real Moody acted so no one would suspect." If he *hadn't* taught the kids curses, or told them to become aurors, or abused the Slytherins (i.e. Draco Malfoy) he wouldn't seem like the "real" Moody, and someone -- namely Dumbledore -- would have gotten suspicious>>>>>>>> Actually I rather liked the twist in his treatment of Malfoy-- I don't think it was an act at all. I think he really did despise this runty son of the man whom he felt was disloyal to his Master and was enjoying the opportunity to get his digs in. Remember at the end of the book how he is amazed that Voldemort forgave the followers who covered their butts after his demise, while he and others had to go to Azkaban? He had expected them to be severely punished. Allowing us to THINK he was just standing up for Harry..... ! From brewergirl at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 15:37:00 2000 From: brewergirl at yahoo.com (BrewerGirl) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: Via Email.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4170 From: BrewerGirl Subject: Re: Via Email.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4163] Re: Via Email.... Date: 7/13/00 11:37 am (ET) I, too, have my email program filter the group messages into a Harry Potter folder. Then I can scan through them ... much quicker with my email software than with Yahoo. I do check onto the message board to reply or to follow a thread back to the original message, check out the links, etc. By the way, if it *is* possible to see Yahoo message in threaded/collapsible format and I've just missed it, someone please let me know! BrewerGirl From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 15:54:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:54:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4171 From: dee_97527 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4008] Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/13/00 11:54 am (ET) A new thought S P O I L E R T A M U S P A C E My first thought in reading "The wealthy man who owned the Riddle House these days neither lived there nor put it to any use;" was of Lucius Malfoy. Lucius Malfoy had given Ginny Tom Riddle's diary in CoS and Dumbledore told him, "I would advise you, Lucius, not to go giving out any more of Lord Voldemort's old school things." If had Tom Riddle's old school stuff, I can see that he would have wanted the old family house and land. After all, this is were Lord Voldemort started his carrer with the Dark Arts. Diann From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:30:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:30:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4172 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #4144] Re: Bill Weasley Date: 7/13/00 12:30 pm (ET) M O R E S P O I L E R S P A C E Okay. I think Fleur, being part Veela, can't HELP but flirt. The Veelas at The Cup had the power to enrapture anyone who stared to long, right? So, poor Bill is just under the spell...argh! We women...can't be trusted... From brp13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:36:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:36:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4173 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Reply To: [Yahoo! #4134] Re: Harry Potter and the Change of Tacti Date: 7/13/00 12:36 pm (ET) Most certainly. If you get rid of Harry Potter, get rid of all fantasy, as almost all of it has some kind of mystical theme. Then get rid of sci-fi, much of it has some sort of religious base. Why, why don't we just get rid of all books. I mean, there's not stopping it... Sigh. Harry Potter doesn't really invoke any kind of a religous theme at all. Not that I've noticed anyways... At the very least it's very minimal. From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:50:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: Wolfie Twins Strike Again Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4174 From: Danemead Subject: Wolfie Twins Strike Again Date: 7/13/00 12:50 pm (ET) For all of you following the wonderful fanfic-in-progress (Call of the Wild) by the WolfieTwins, they've posted a hilarious "encounter" with the REAL Professor Lupin. LOL! If any of you new members are not familiar with this fanfic, it's set in the years just prior to Lupin's coming to Hogwarts as a teacher. It is (I think) equally as good as Lori's 'Paradigm of Uncertainty' (also available at the same website). Just go to http://www.fanfiction.net and search by 'author' at the top of the page: WolfieTwins (for 'Call of the Wild' and the encounter) Lori (for Paradigm of Uncertainty). Both are MARVELOUS! From brp13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:24:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4175 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4022] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/13/00 1:24 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R Well, actually, there is only 1 other book that has any kind of a similar flow to it at all. That's book one. There is a fair amount of similarity with the style in book 1 and 4. For instance, they both start out from another's point of view for the first chapter. They both end with Voldemort. Harry is the youngest something in both of them. Both of their plots kick up on halloween. Of course, then again, so do all of the books... Well, that's just my thoughts of the book. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:25:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: Bill Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4176 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Bill Weasley Reply To: [Yahoo! #4139] Bill Weasley Date: 7/13/00 1:25 pm (ET) d o y o u s u p p o s e t h i s e n o u g h s p a c e ? Penny, The Fleur/Bill thing happens when the champions go into a room to meet with their families before the third task and, when Harry goes into the room, it turns out that Mrs. Weasley and Bill have come to see him. Hope that helps. Margaret From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:41:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Dale and the NY Times Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4177 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Dale and the NY Times Date: 7/13/00 1:41 pm (ET) There's an article in today's NY Times... http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/ny-public-profile.html about the Jim Dale, the narrator of the Harry Potter audio books. I found it interesting. Among other things, its says that he consults with Rowling whenever there is a question about how to pronounce the names. Then he says it her way. In my book that makes his version definitive. From digi_monty at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:45:00 2000 From: digi_monty at yahoo.com (digi_monty) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: New Member ^____^ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4178 From: digi_monty Subject: New Member ^____^ Date: 7/13/00 1:45 pm (ET) Hi All~!! I'm so happy to find and join this club. ^___^V I'm a 23 year old animation character designer. I love 'Fred and George'~~!!! Eeee.....I have not got 4th yet...I think I have to wait 2~3months more to get Korean translation T___T (weep) Of course, it is possible to order and get it from Amazon. But I guess I can't see well 'Fred and George's fantastic joke ^___^ with my poor English -____-;;; From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 17:49:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4179 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #3971] Re: CoCC Date: 7/13/00 1:49 pm (ET) And verily, Thou shalt go forth into the world, and annoy those who seek sense, and find good book - and see the world differently from thou. And, verily - they shalt be smote, with angry e-mails, and cursed with the full power of God's vengeance, as he said: "Just read the Bible, they'll moan about everything else - I read that Satanic verses ages ago - I'm not going to hell". And they read the book properly, and realised that if this kind of magic REALLY existed, they would all become witches, for it would be most cool. But, thou hast seen the real evil people, who are most boringeth, and who listen to that Marilyn Manson, who art a complete freak. And, in endingeth, we shalt all goeth to the burning flames of hell, and order our fire-proof copies of Harry Potter 5, 6, 7, and any other which shalt or shall not be written before God strikes us down with bolts of ligtening - Amen Where do you find these 'Christians' from, anyway? I need a good cheering up From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 18:08:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4180 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Date: 7/13/00 2:08 pm (ET) Whoever posted that, that's a wonderful idea!!! There are over 300 members strong here. If we e-mail our suggestions/demands to Warner Bros. Studios, I'm sure shear volume will force them to listen. (especially if we join forces with other Harry Potter Clubs). :-) I for one, think these suggestions/demands in particular are important: #1 ALL the producers must READ THE BOOKS!!! #2 Harry is the star! Not any of the big name actors and their egos, who will be in the adult roles. #3 The cast must be British, (of course) #4 Spend more time with Ms. Rowling and on the script, than the special effects and #5 Concentrate on MAKING a GOOD FILM. Don't try to pander to the masses, with merchandising (i.e. adding or making characters cartoonish, because they make better Happy Meal figurines, that way :-P) (by the way, I searched the site, and I'm at a loss to find an e-mail address we can send our suggestions/demands to >:P, but you can use snail mail and send to the casting department: Harry Potter Casting P.O. Box 7788 Burbank, CA 91510-7788 If anyone finds an a an e-mail we can use to voice our opinions please post it. :-) Thanks! From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 18:14:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4181 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #4179] Re: CoCC Date: 7/13/00 2:14 pm (ET) Carlsson79, raise your wand high and say: "IGORAMUS!!!" and you shall vanquish, any Anti-Potters, Dursley-like Muggles, or Death Eaters who cross your path. But be aware, the spell only works, if you go about as you normally would, as if they never crossed your path. ;-) From whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 18:19:00 2000 From: whisper2ascream13 at yahoo.com (Whisper2AScream13) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:19:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4182 From: Whisper2AScream13 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4067] Re: Chapter 1 - Voldemort question Date: 7/13/00 2:19 pm (ET) S P O I L E R D O N T R E A D I F N O G O F Hmmm... would make sense. And since he's descendant of Salazar Slytherin, closer connection with serpents and all. (In fact, Slytherin was an Animagus, right? And the snake was his form?) In fact, here's something. What's the origin of parselmouth? From salter15 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 18:40:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4183 From: salter15 Subject: CoCC Date: 7/13/00 2:40 pm (ET) Ok, I am new to this site and I have spent the last few minutes reading back on this subject. First of all I have to say that these people taking these books way to seriously. They are meant for fun!! Besides, I thought that this site was for Harry Potter fans!!! LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER!!!!! From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 19:01:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:01:00 -0400 Subject: A Concern Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4184 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: A Concern Reply To: [Yahoo! #3942] A Concern Date: 7/13/00 3:01 pm (ET) I'm sorry if this has already been addressed - I'm over 200 messages behind. Feeling like I will never get caught up! S spoilerspace P spoilerspace O spoilerspace I spoilerspace L spoilerspace E spoilerspace R spoilerspace S spoilerspace P spoilerspace A spoilerspace C spoilerspace E "For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes." ??? (chapter 36, page 696, US version. I took this to mean that Dumbledore was triumphant about the fact that Lily's sacrifice did protect Harry. Maybe it was a charm that he had taught her? And now that V has some of Harry's blood, it might in some way make V vulnerable.. Christine From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 19:24:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 - spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4185 From: hert0661 Subject: Book 4 - spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #4098] Snape'n'Harry - another theory (spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 3:24 pm (ET) This contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R G O F S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R G O F Someone was talking about how Snape justified his actions towards Quirrell when he returns to Voldemort. I came up with the following thought. All Snape needs to say is that he thought Quirrell was acting for himself and did not know he was working for Voldemort. He then says that he acted to stop Quirrell as to safeguard the Stone for when he could get it to Voldemort. I would guess that if Snape had suspected Quirrell of working for Voldemort then Dumbledore would also have worked it out or Snape would have told him. When Snape was trying to stop Quirrell getting to the Stone he is keeping in Dumbledore's good book. Simon From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 21:11:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4186 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Reply To: [Yahoo! #4171] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/13/00 5:11 pm (ET) A new thought S P O I L E R T A M U S P A C E <<My first thought in reading "The wealthy man who owned the Riddle House these days neither lived there nor put it to any use;" was of Lucius Malfoy. Lucius Malfoy had given Ginny Tom Riddle's diary in CoS and Dumbledore told him, "I would advise you, Lucius, not to go giving out any more of Lord Voldemort's old school things." If had Tom Riddle's old school stuff, I can see that he would have wanted the old family house and land. After all, this is were Lord Voldemort started his carrer with the Dark Arts. Diann >> Only thing that I find wrong with that is that Tom Riddle didn't live in the big mansion. He was put in a Muggle Orphanage remember? And we already know that his closest friends at school were calling him Voldemort. I take his attack on his grandparents and father to have happened the minute he got out of school... norevoli From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 21:33:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 Discussion -- snakes & rat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4187 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- snakes & rat Reply To: [Yahoo! #4186] Re: Chapter 1 Discussion -- SPOILER WARN Date: 7/13/00 5:33 pm (ET) Dianne wrote S P O I L E R T A M U S P A C E <<If had Tom Riddle's old school stuff, I can see that he would have wanted the old family house and land.>> norevoli wrote <<Only thing that I find wrong with that is that Tom Riddle didn't live in the big mansion. He was put in a Muggle Orphanage remember? >> Here's my take: it sounds like the Riddle house was sold after VOldemort killed his grandparents & father at least 3 times; there is a "wealthy man" who currently owns it "for tax reasons" but it is pretty much abandoned (well, apart from the "snake" and "rat" living there in the begining of the book)* I wouldn't be surprised if Malfoy or some other wealthy Death Eater bought the house from the last Muggle owners, as a souvenier as much as anything, or perhaps at Voldemort's request if he thought that he might need to use it for nefarious purposes at some point. * Did anyone stop to think that snakes eat rats? for lunch? WOnder if this will be relevant later? Is voldemort going to swallow up wormtail luke pet food one day? From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 22:14:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Subject: Audio - Steam Train Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4188 From: babynick34 Subject: Audio - Steam Train Date: 7/13/00 6:14 pm (ET) Hi all For light entertainment, I have uploaded an audio clip of The Hogwarts Express leaving Kings Cross Station. For those interested it can be heard by selecting either of the following links: Format: WAV http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/audio/wav/steamtrain.wav Format: RealAudio (RM) http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/audio/realaudio/steamtrain.rm Format: RealAudio Streaming http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/audio/realaudio/steamtrain.ram Maybe nice to listen to this while looking at the pictures taken at Kings Cross! Take care all... have fun, I've nearly finished the book - only 11 chapters to go! Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 22:17:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: Audio - Steam Train Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4189 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Audio - Steam Train Reply To: [Yahoo! #4188] Audio - Steam Train Date: 7/13/00 6:17 pm (ET) Opps.. sorry, those don't seem to want to work. Try these links: Format: WAV http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/wav/steamtrain.wav Format: RealAudio (RM) http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/realaudio/steamtrain.rm Format: RealAudio Streaming http://www.rainbowplay.demon.co.uk/harrypotter/realaudio/steamtrain.ram Hope that's better Nick. From rocksasell at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 23:49:00 2000 From: rocksasell at yahoo.com (rocksasell) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and Rolex Kool Anselmo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4190 From: rocksasell Subject: Harry Potter and Rolex Kool Anselmo Date: 7/13/00 7:49 pm (ET) For the latest promotional efforts regarding "Goblet of Fire", check out this site:http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/rolexkoolanselmo From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 00:32:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:32:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4191 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: More Brain Fever Reply To: [Yahoo! #4161] More Brain Fever Date: 7/13/00 8:32 pm (ET) Orrianne thinks that: >>>You people doing the mathematics for the Wizard money system have way too much time on your hands. Joywitch replies: Hey, I resemble that remark! And its not time I have, but obsession. Another month or two like this and I will be soliciting contributions for Potterholics Anonymous. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 00:35:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4192 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: More Brain Fever Reply To: [Yahoo! #4191] Re: More Brain Fever Date: 7/13/00 8:35 pm (ET) Someone once asked me why I was so odd. I looked them in the eye, and said, My dear, I am not odd. I am eccentric. They get paid more money. :) Dee From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 00:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4193 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: More Brain Fever II Reply To: [Yahoo! #4162] More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 8:40 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e >>>I'm interested to learn more about Neville. I hope that Harry will make more of an effort to befriend Neville, or admire him, considering what Neville has been through. I think a lot will depend on Neville and Snape in the future. I agree with the above. I have actually been surprised at how little of Harrys relationships with other kids at Hogwarts has been explored. He really only seems to talk to Ron and Hermione, and occasionally Fred and George. It seems to me that it would be more natural for larger groups of Gryffindors to run around together and for Harry to have more friends, but he seems to remain at the acquaintance stage with most of the other kids. From golden_faile at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:05:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: More Brain Fever II Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4194 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: More Brain Fever II Reply To: [Yahoo! #4193] Re: More Brain Fever II Date: 7/13/00 9:05 pm (ET) I don't know about that, even someone who has lots of friends only has(most of the time!)one or two really good friends. Anyway,Harry likes the way Ron and Hermoine don't treat him like a celebrity. From echomyst at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:34:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:34:00 -0400 Subject: House Elves *spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4195 From: echomyst Subject: House Elves *spoiler* Date: 7/13/00 9:34 pm (ET) spoiler warning ahead for hp4: * * * S P O I L E R S * * * Is it just me or is anyone else puzzled by this? Why was Winky present when "Moody" was being questioned by Dumbledore? And is Hermione's campaign to free the house elves a foreshadow of something? Regards, Emily =P From echomyst at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:37:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:37:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4196 From: echomyst Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 9:37 pm (ET) I've never given this a thought before, but my brother's just asked how come Hagrid's wand (hidden in his umbrella?) still works even though it's been snapped, since Ron's old one went haywire when it was broken? Emily =) From Ax3657 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:40:00 2000 From: Ax3657 at yahoo.com (Ax3657) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: POTTER SITE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4197 From: Ax3657 Subject: POTTER SITE Date: 7/13/00 9:40 pm (ET) HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT MY HARRY POTTER SITE www.goecities.com/ax3657/myweb.html From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 02:39:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4198 From: Danemead Subject: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Date: 7/13/00 10:39 pm (ET) F E E F I E F O E F U M SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE Since the body replaces all its cells on a regular basis, surely the so-called "protection" that Voldemort thinks he's achieved with Harry's blood will not last. Within a few months, all those cells will have died a natural death and replaced by Voldemort's own blood cells. Perhaps Dumbledore realizes this, and realizes that Voldemort is giving himself a false sense of security. Just a thought.... From echomyst at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 02:47:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:47:00 -0400 Subject: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4199 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4198] Blood transfusions - SPOILER Date: 7/13/00 10:47 pm (ET) Look out, spoiler ahead... * * * S P O I L E R S * * * >>>Within a few months, all those cells would have died a natural death and replaced by Voldemort's own blood cells.>>> Hope JKR will think of that! -Emily- From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 02:57:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4200 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Blood transfusions - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4198] Blood transfusions - SPOILER Date: 7/13/00 10:57 pm (ET) H e y d i d d l e d i d d l e y o u r c a u g h t in the middle Don't take this the wrong way, but you're thinking like a Muggle. Obviously these people have magic in their blood (just my extrapolation from events like Harry turning his teacher's wig blue by accident) so who knows what can be carried in the blood and how Lily's mother love will react in the big bad V's veins. Trina From brp13 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:21:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4201 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4196] Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 11:21 pm (ET) I believe that Ron's went crazy because it wasn't an even thing. One half had far more protection then the other, causing things to go haywire. I get the impression the umbrella is made of Hagrid's wand. So anything that is wrong with it is even. He can only do simple tricks with his umbrella-wand anyways. From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:25:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: im so happy! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4202 From: sage016 Subject: im so happy! Date: 7/13/00 11:25 pm (ET) ok i literally JUST finished PoA 10 minutes ago, so you know what that means right???? I FINALLY get to start GoF!! WOOHOO! It has been staring at me since 12:30 last friday night. IM SO HAPPY, now ill beable to read the "spoiler" messeges as im reading and post and comment. oh boy oh boy oh boy......... From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:25:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4203 From: davehoz Subject: Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4180] E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Date: 7/13/00 11:25 pm (ET) Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but this is Time-Warner we're talking about... I think Snape will be buying Butterbeers for Sirius before any of the above (especially #4 & #5) come to fruition... From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:38:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: I JUST FINISHED GoF!!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4204 From: tori_grrrl Subject: I JUST FINISHED GoF!!!!!! Date: 7/13/00 11:38 pm (ET) I'm happy!!! Now I can start reading all the spoiler stuffs. I just handed the book over to me mum...reluctantly, I might add. Ok...is it just me, or did anyone else cry at the end of PoA? My friend made fun of me for it...but I couldn't help it. Also, how does Harrytarians sound? I came about it in sort of an odd way... Tori (Happily reading spoiler stuff) From oldhermionefan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:46:00 2000 From: oldhermionefan at yahoo.com (oldhermionefan) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: Newbie says howdy! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4205 From: oldhermionefan Subject: Newbie says howdy! Date: 7/13/00 11:46 pm (ET) Just joined the club. How was everyones HP party last Friday night?? ohf From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:51:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:51:00 -0400 Subject: I JUST FINISHED GoF!!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4206 From: sage016 Subject: Re: I JUST FINISHED GoF!!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4204] I JUST FINISHED GoF!!!!!! Date: 7/13/00 11:51 pm (ET) I cried at the end of PoA and i just finished it today hehe. From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:52:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: Newbie says howdy! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4207 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Newbie says howdy! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4205] Newbie says howdy! Date: 7/13/00 11:52 pm (ET) Don't get me started on the party! I had so much Butterbeer, and ate too many Cauldron Cakes. Stayed out till three in the morning, then had to be at dance at four! It was fun, though. Tori From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 03:54:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4208 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4196] Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/13/00 11:54 pm (ET) >>>I've never given this a thought before, but my brother's just asked how come Hagrid's wand (hidden in his umbrella?) still works even though it's been snapped, since Ron's old one went haywire when it was broken? I was wondering about this too. My guess is that there are only a limited number of spells that Hagrid does, and he has had 50 years to practice getting them right with his broken wand. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 04:00:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4209 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4203] Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Date: 7/14/00 12:00 am (ET) I agree with Tim. It would take a hundred Death Eaters surrounding their office to get Time-Warner to change anything they are doing. They simply do not respond to public pressure -- look at the crap they produce now. Less than half of the movies produced in Hollywood actually make any money; the rest are garbage that no one sees (well, actually a small percentage are great movies that no one sees because they are poorly distributed). The point being that the movie studios are, for the most part, big powerful evil wizards who do what they think will make the most money. Quality and customer satisfaction are very, very, very low on their lists. From harrypotterresource at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 05:06:00 2000 From: harrypotterresource at yahoo.com (harrypotterresource) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:06:00 -0400 Subject: I know this is a stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4210 From: harrypotterresource Subject: I know this is a stupid question Date: 7/14/00 1:06 am (ET) I can't for the life of me remember what the House mascots are below is what I think and if someone could correct me if I'm wrong. Gryffindor = Lion (I know this one for sure) Hufflepuff = Badger (?) Ravenclaw = Raven (This seems obvious but it's usually the obvious ones that are wrong) Slytherin = Snake (for sure) Thanks to all who help me. Jason If this question was answered before and I didn't see the post I am sorry, but I don't want to read any posts until I finish the last book (I'm in the middle of the 3rd). From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 05:37:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:37:00 -0400 Subject: I know this is a stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4211 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: I know this is a stupid question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4210] I know this is a stupid question Date: 7/14/00 1:37 am (ET) "Ravenclaw = Raven (This seems obvious but it's usually the obvious ones that are wrong)" I think it's an eagle. There's a crest at the front of the UK books which shows the four mascots - the Ravenclaw one is not a raven in that picture. Mind you, Bloomsbury have got things wrong before! Neil From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 05:38:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:38:00 -0400 Subject: CoCC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4212 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: CoCC Reply To: [Yahoo! #4179] Re: CoCC Date: 7/14/00 1:38 am (ET) very cool From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 05:56:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:56:00 -0400 Subject: I know this is a stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4213 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: I know this is a stupid question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4210] I know this is a stupid question Date: 7/14/00 1:56 am (ET) You guessed it -- the obvious one IS wrong. Ravenclaws mascot is not a raven, but an eagle. The other 3 are right, though. From harrypotterresource at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 06:09:00 2000 From: harrypotterresource at yahoo.com (harrypotterresource) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: I know this is a stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4214 From: harrypotterresource Subject: Re: I know this is a stupid question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4213] Re: I know this is a stupid question Date: 7/14/00 2:09 am (ET) Thank you for clearing that up. Jason From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 07:18:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:18:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4215 From: davehoz Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 3:18 am (ET) SPOILERS AHEAD! ****************** ************ ******* *** ** * Now that we know for sure that the head of Hufflepuff is Prof. Sprout, any thoughts on who might head Ravenclaw? I think it could be Prof. Sinistra. BTW, did you notice that at the ball Prof Sinistra is dancing with a male teacher?! Did Sinistra -- like Tip/Ozma in the Oz books -- get a magical sex change? (If Sinistra is in fact female now, then instead of Patrick Moore, I think she should be portrayed in the movie by Fiorella Terenzi, the only astronomer who resembles a Veela.) -- Dave, astronomy enthusiast who's still hoping Prof. Sinistra will play an important role in a future book... From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 07:56:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (DaughteroftheDust) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:56:00 -0400 Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4216 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4209] Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Date: 7/14/00 3:56 am (ET) Well, gee, does that mean your not even going to try?? I'd feel better knowing we at least put some effort into it. I mean come on!! With that attitude of course it won't work. The odds may seem insurmountable, but we could AT LEAST try. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 07:58:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:58:00 -0400 Subject: Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4217 From: Orrianne Subject: Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4215] Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 3:58 am (ET) Actually, yes, the mascot for Ravenclaw is an Eagle, I remember that when they showed the banner in the Great Hall once. I'm also curious who the head of Ravenclaw is - we have Sprout in Hufflepuff, McG in Gr and Snape in Sylth - wonder who is for Ravenclaw? Also wonder who has been the Head Boy and Head Girl for the past few years. We haven't heard anything about them. Also, I asked this before but I don't think anyone answered - Was Lily Potter killed before James? I always thought that James was killed before Lily. That Voldemort killed James, and then went after Lily who was trying to protect Harry. I got this one wrong? From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:13:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:13:00 -0400 Subject: Ravenclaw? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4218 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Ravenclaw? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4217] Ravenclaw? Date: 7/14/00 4:13 am (ET) <<Was Lily Potter killed before James? I always thought that James was killed before Lily. That Voldemort killed James, and then went after Lily who was trying to protect Harry. I got this one wrong?>> According to Book 1, Ch. 17, page 294 (American ed.) Voldemort tells Harry that he killed James first, then Lily (who was protecting Harry) of course, looking at this passage, Voldemort says that Lily didn't need to die. She did because she was protecting Harry. Wonder if that means anything... Jennifer From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:26:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4219 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #3912] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/14/00 4:26 am (ET) this is a pretty lousy book four spoiler since its really about book one s p o i l e r s p a c e > After all, Draco still needs his wizarding education, (snip) [Hogwarts] is also Voldemort's alma mater, and probably Lucius Malfoy's as well. Yes. SS, American paperback, page77, chapter five, in Madam Malkin's shop, Draco, having encountered Harry without knowing who he is, is making what he considers pleasant conversation, saying: "I know I'll be in Slytherin, all our family has been" > No, there's evidence that Lucius Malfoy is a Death Eater...the mark on his arm. Snape had one, and showed it to Fudge, saying that it had been growing darker and darker. Wouldn't Lucius Malfoy have one as well? Also, if Lucius tries to return to "normal" wizard society and masquerade as a non-Voldemort supporter, won't the mark give him away? Or does it fade? I know that people have already pointed out that lots of people who had followed Voldemort changed sides once he lost. Many of them were under the Imperius Curse and someone decribed them as 'like coming out of trances'. Lucius Malfoy is known to be one of the people who came back (SS, American paperback page 110, Chapter six, after the fight on the train with Draco Malfoy & his enforcers), Ron said: "I've heard of his family. They were some of the first to come back to our side after You-Know-Who disappeared. Said they'd been bewitched. My dad doesn't believe it. He says Malfoy's father didn't need an excuse to go over to the Dark Side." From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:30:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:30:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's parents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4220 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry's parents Reply To: [Yahoo! #3975] Harry's parents Date: 7/14/00 4:30 am (ET) > I have started to reread the four books and I started to wonder what houses Harry's parents belonged to. I don't remember if that was mentioned in any of the books, but Harry WAS supposed to go into the Slytherin house... Harry was NOT *supposed* to go into Slytherin. The hat merely offered him Slytherin because he was desperately thinking: please not Slytherin! First it said, there is courage here (Gryffindor) and talent and a definite thirst for knowledge (Ravenclaw). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:34:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:34:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4221 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #4003] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/14/00 4:34 am (ET) another silly spoiler that really applies to book two rather than book four s p o i l e r s p a c e > Don't be silly, she'd have her house elf do it. I assume they got a new one by now. It is not at all clear that it is *possible* to get a new house elf. I don't have CoS right here to look quotes, but there's someplace in it where Ron tells Harry that his mother would like to have a house elf (so why didn't anyone fix Dobby or Winky up with Mrs Weasley) but they only live in real old houses: I got the impression that house elves have to be INHERITED. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:42:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:42:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4222 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4102] Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 4:42 am (ET) > SPOILER > SPACE > SPOILER > SPACE > ****** > I'm > Just > Wild > About > Harry! > And > Harry's > Wild > About > Meeeeee! > ******** > Wouldn't it be a scream if the Dursleys one day disguise, assigned to guard Harry? I think that whoever pointed out that the Mrs. Figg who 'babysat' Harry when the Dursleys went out might be the same Arabella Figg that Sirius is sent to contact at the end of GoF. I (like the others who replied) wouldn't put it back Dumbledore to station one of his friends there to keep an eye on Harry, but Arabella Figg with her chocolate cake that tasted like it had been in the refrigerator for ten years doesn't seem like the best sort of friend to have. And Mundungus Fletcher is another old friend in Dumbledore's instruction, but he also is mentioned in chapter ten, page 135 UK, as having put in a claim for a 12 bedroom tent with jacuzzi when Percy knows he really was sleeping under a cloak propped up on sticks. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:44:00 -0400 Subject: I know this is a stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4223 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: I know this is a stupid question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4210] I know this is a stupid question Date: 7/14/00 4:44 am (ET) > I can't for the life of me remember what the House mascots are IIRC (If I Recall Correctly) this information, and much else, is on Ravenclawlady's web site that is included in this Yahoo Club's LINKS page. From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:48:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:48:00 -0400 Subject: Wow--Nice Club! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4224 From: mikesusangray Subject: Wow--Nice Club! Date: 7/14/00 4:48 am (ET) Hey--great club!! I participate some on the boards at Jena's UHPFC (Unoffical Harry Potter Fan Club--great site, great webmistress!) but I've been looking for a little more interaction with adult Potterheads. HP4 stimulated me to look a little more thoroughly, until I found this group. NICE!! I'm looking forward to spending a while here--after all it'll be 2003 before the books are even done. (Which, IMNSHO, is great. If all seven books were already written, I'd have them gulped in a week. As it is, I'm gonna keep on enjoying the voyage of discovery for three more years. What a feeling!) Pax, Mike About that Email feature--I just joined the club, and I'm using it. I live in Switzerland where I pay a heavy premium on telephone usage. Being able to read and respond to mail offline is great. Only, I can't figurte out how to SEND posts offline. Can anyone tell me how to do that or must I do all my writing on line?? As a veteran of email lists, I'd like to be able to do this! From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:51:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:51:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4225 From: mikesusangray Subject: RE: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 4:51 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E H E R E Are the Dursley's neighbors actually wizards?Could be. But the big V. says something about "ancient magic"--and I suspect that'll be more than a bunch of geriatric bodyguards. My theory is that it's connected to something I'll call "bonding magic." In JKR's world, magic seems to be heavily influenced by relationships that create an inviolabe bond between persons. For instance, saving someone's life (as Harry's father saved Snapes--or as Harry saved Wormtails) creates a bond. Or having the same bird's feather in your wand. Or (apparently) having another wizard's blood in your veins (hence Dunbledore's "triumphant look"). Or the hiding spell mentioned in PoA creates an impenetrable secret on the basis of the bond between the hidden person and his or her secret bearer. Appanrently, "bonding magic" does not have to be desired or even voluntary. But once the bond is preasant, it creates a powerful magical state. I think we're seeing some more of this bonding magic with the Dursleys. Why the bond is preasant we don't yet know (I believe JKR said we would find out more aboutthis in HP5), but it creates a state such that no harmful magic can reach Harry when he is connected to the Dursleys. Pax, Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 08:53:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:53:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4226 From: mikesusangray Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/14/00 4:53 am (ET) LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! Thanks for those comments on plot holes! I've turned your order inside out, starting with the things that worry me least. (1) I missed Quidditch, too! JKR's flying scenes are terrific. Every time Harry takes off, I get goose bumps. (His dragon-run was one of my favorite scenes in the book.) Also, I was counting on matches staring a clash between Harry and Krum. What a disappointment! (HOWEVER: I'll bet anyone 10 Irish Galleons that Krum will be back next year and will play for Slytherin.) Actually, I was also sorry that the World Cup Final was so short--in fact, I was dismayed that we were only getting to watch the final. I mean, JKR, as a good writer, had to keep her plot moving, but a paltry 100-200 pages describing the the World Cup--from the round of 16 on, say--would have been just fine with me! (2) The scene with Moody didn't bother me much, although the whole impersonation seems a tad contrived. (I.e.: did Barty-Moody set his alarm clock to go off every hour during the night, to swallow some more Polyjuice, or did he just un-transform?? And how come no one noticed that the stuff in his hip fask was sticky??) But I'll swallow it. At least the interview built on the rapport "Moody" really had developed with Harry--despite being his enemy. I *do* think JKR is going to need to go easy on the magical impersonations next book. First we had Wormtail faking a rat, this time Barty faking Moody ... If anything, the problem with the interview at the end of the book was that we knew Harry what was going to happen. If it had happened *before* showdown, I'd have been more antsy. (3) Your third plot hole does have me puzzled though. I was wondering the same thing. Why not portkey Harry's slippers to big V's kitchen table? Harry gets up for breakfast and tada!--big V scarfs him up! Seems like an aweful lot of bother twisting the whole tournament around just to get Harry to a portkey. This bothers me. Takes the whole point out of the whole book! If we're going to make sense of this, we'll have to find something about the final moment of the Triwizard Tournament that makes it appealing as a trap. - "Easy catch" theories. One sort of possibility has to do with susceptibility. Either that competitors are less thoroughly protected than normal or that Harry himself would somehow be easier to get. - The other sort are "juicy catch" theories. For some reason, getting Harry at that very moment would be more satisfying than at some easier moment. For example, that V. wanted to make as frightening a display as possible of his new power. Or that a triumphant Harry would impart more power than a normal Harry. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Subject: House elf Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4227 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: House elf Reply To: [Yahoo! #4221] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/14/00 5:27 am (ET) "It is not at all clear that it is *possible* to get a new house elf." We are told by Ron in CoS that a house elf would not be seen dead in the Burrow, they only stay in really impressive houses. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Subject: book 4 SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4228 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: book 4 SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4222] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 5:27 am (ET) This message contains spoilers for book 4 S P O I L E R S P A C E "Mundungus Fletcher is another old friend in Dumbledore's instruction, but he also is mentioned in chapter ten, page 135 UK, as having put in a claim for a 12 bedroom tent with jacuzzi when Percy knows he really was sleeping under a cloak propped up on sticks." He is also mentioned in CoS. When Arthur gets home, after the boys have rescued Harry from Privet Drive, he says that Mundungus tried to put a curse on him while his back was turned. This was during one of his ministry raids. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4229 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4215] Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 5:27 am (ET) This contains only a small spoiler for GoF so there will be only a small spoiler space. S P O I L E R "BTW, did you notice that at the ball Prof Sinistra is dancing with a male teacher?! Did Sinistra -- like Tip/Ozma in the Oz books -- get a magical sex change?" When we meet Sinistra in CoS we are not given any information about her sex. We are just told that Flitwick and Sinistra carry Justin up to the medical ward. So until we see herr dancing with Moody in GoF we can not guess that she is female. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 09:59:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4230 From: hert0661 Subject: Harry Potter Movie Date: 7/14/00 5:59 am (ET) I have just heard a rumour that they have cast Harry. The kid cast to play Harry is apparently half American (boo! hiss!) and half British (Yeh!). Called Liam Aiken. I am not sure if this is the same one who has been involved in a few other films (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Aiken,+Liam). Simon From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 11:02:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:02:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4231 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4230] Harry Potter Movie Date: 7/14/00 7:02 am (ET) Liam Aiken picture is at: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/babynick34?d&.flabel=fld2&.src=ph Sorry, can't seem to get Yahoo to make a link from our photo library to my Yahoo Photos. Anyone have any idea why it does not seem to like making the link - the club photo library is low on disk space. Nick. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 12:51:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:51:00 -0400 Subject: GoF SPOILER (was Re: Ravenclaw?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4232 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: GoF SPOILER (was Re: Ravenclaw?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4218] Re: Ravenclaw? Date: 7/14/00 8:51 am (ET) Good morning everyone! Spoilers coming up! S P O I L E R S P O I L E R <<According to Book 1, Ch. 17, page 294 (American ed.) Voldemort tells Harry that he killed James first, then Lily (who was protecting Harry) of course, looking at this passage, Voldemort says that Lily didn't need to die. She did because she was protecting Harry. Wonder if that means anything...>> Ah, yes, but at the end of GoF, when V's murders are coming out of his wand BACKWARD, we see James and then Lily next. I think we were supposed to assume that Voldemort killed James first, but now we have *evidence* that he went after Lily first. And since Lily died protecting Harry, now we can reasonably infer that Voldemort's main purpose was to kill Harry! Which now completely ups the ante as far as Harry's safety is concerned. From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 12:57:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:57:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4233 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4230] Harry Potter Movie Date: 7/14/00 8:57 am (ET) There is also another name I've heard in the running. A 13 year old Brit making his film debut this year- Jamie Bell. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0249462 Some one mentioned Liam Aitken as a good candidate waaaaaay at the beginning of this list. Have you been doing your Divination homework??!!!??? :) Sam From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 13:05:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:05:00 -0400 Subject: question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4234 From: msbooktworm Subject: question Date: 7/14/00 9:05 am (ET) What must/can be done to free a house-elf? Read on... Melissa From sigma94 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 13:10:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:10:00 -0400 Subject: question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4235 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4234] question Date: 7/14/00 9:10 am (ET) I believe that the elf's masters must give him a piece of clothing...This is what happened in CoS. Lucius Malfoy threw a sock and the elf caught it was was freed! From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 13:44:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4236 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Harry Potter Movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4230] Harry Potter Movie Date: 7/14/00 9:44 am (ET) Liam Aiken was also mentioned on aint-it-cool-news.com this morning - an EXTREMELY reliable site. (Thought they just said that he was "apparently" cast.) Sounds to me like he's perfect. . . From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 14:23:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: Some MUGGLE etymology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4237 From: heiditandy Subject: Some MUGGLE etymology Date: 7/14/00 10:23 am (ET) http://slate.msn.com/Omnivore/00-07-10/Omnivore.asp Summary of the article: last week, on CNN's burden of proof, they did a ridiculous segment about the woman who claims that she has a copyright/trademark in the term MUGGLES and in her characters Lily and Larry Poter, from a book she wrote back in 1987 (side note - I am a copyright & trademark attorney, and I would give her case wide bearth even if I wasn't a Potter/Rowling Fan) (the transcript is at http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0007/05/bp.00.html). SLATE magazine today notes that she's, well, let's put it this way, a Sneakerscope would whirl around her. Lewis Carroll, they write, used the word over a hundred years ago, in a three-chapter story called "Wilhelm von Schmitz." You can read the Carroll story here: http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/Caroll/CompleteWorks/p4-wvs.html . The relevant passage goes like this: " 'He's confessed to it, constable? you heard him?' said the first speaker (who rejoiced in the euphonious title of Muggle ...) 'it's as much as his life is worth.' 'I say, stow that--' warmly responded the other; 'seems to me the gen'leman was a spouting potry.' 'What--what's the matter?' here gasped our unfortunate hero, who had recovered his breath; 'you--Muggle--what do you mean by it?' " From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 14:25:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4238 From: sage016 Subject: Re: question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4234] question Date: 7/14/00 10:25 am (ET) i believe they have to be givin an artical of clothing. in CoS harry frees one by tricking Mr. Malfoy into giving a sock to his house elf. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 14:41:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Some MUGGLE etymology Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4239 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Some MUGGLE etymology Reply To: [Yahoo! #4237] Some MUGGLE etymology Date: 7/14/00 10:41 am (ET) I knew it!! I was certain that I had read the word Muggle in Lewis carrol, but couldn't find where! Actually the word is alos in the Oxford English Distionary-- it has quite an old, well-documented history. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 14:55:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4240 From: heiditandy Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4226] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/14/00 10:55 am (ET) s p i l e r a b o u t p l o t " h o l e s " I am not sure the Waiting 'Til the End of teh Triwizard Tourney was a plot hole - it's entirely possible that Voldemort needed to take the year or so to get strong enough from the Nagini venom to even be able to transform, and that's why he planned to "get" harry at the end of the school year. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: GoF SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4241 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: GoF SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4232] Re: GoF SPOILER (was Re: Ravenclaw?) Date: 7/14/00 11:14 am (ET) Good morning everyone! Spoilers coming up! S P O I L E R S P O I L E R <<According to Book 1, Ch. 17, page 294 (American ed.) Voldemort tells Harry that he killed James first, then Lily (who was protecting Harry) of course, looking at this passage, Voldemort says that Lily didn't need to die. She did because she was protecting Harry. Wonder if that means anything...>> Voicelady: <<<Ah, yes, but at the end of GoF, when V's murders are coming out of his wand BACKWARD, we see James and then Lily next. I think we were supposed to assume that Voldemort killed James first, but now we have *evidence* that he went after Lily first. And since Lily died protecting Harry, now we can reasonably infer that Voldemort's main purpose was to kill Harry! Which now completely ups the ante as far as Harry's safety is concerned.>>> I have long assumed that Harry was Voldemort's prime (or perhaps sole) target. But, I think there is more than one inference to be made from the fact that James comes out of the wand first. (1) Voldemort killed Lily first. This would mean that James must have been in the room and that James tried to protect Harry after Lily died. Otherwise, Voldemort would have killed Lily and then turned immediately to Harry (if James were not somehow in the way). We know that his failure to kill Harry caused him to lose most of his powers, so he would not have had powers remaining sufficient to kill James after having killed Lily and having failed to kill Harry. So, if Lily was killed first, then James must have been stepping in & trying to prevent Harry from being attacked & got himself killed at that point. The problem with that theory in my mind is that Harry heard his father shouting at Lily to "take Harry and run," which certainly implies that Voldemort would have encountered James first. (2) He tried to kill James first, but James was also quite a powerful wizard and resisted dying for some period of time (V used something less than the killing curse) and so Lily died before James. I'm picturing James lying in the living room, trying to shake off V's curse, while V moves on to the bedroom, where Lily is trying to escape with Harry. He kills Lily, James expires in the living room, and then V turns to Harry, and his curse rebounds on himself, squashing his powers. There are probably other scenarios as well, but these were the 2 that came to my mind. Penny From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:21:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:21:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4242 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4229] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 11:21 am (ET) > When we meet Sinistra in CoS we are not given any information about her sex. We are just told that Flitwick and Sinistra carry Justin up to the medical ward. So until we see her dancing with Moody in GoF we can not guess that she is female. It seems that the finfic writers all agreed long ago that not only is she female, her first name is Astrid. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:26:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:26:00 -0400 Subject: error in my US edition SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4243 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: error in my US edition SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #3941] error in my US edition SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 11:26 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e c a d e t Click on my original message referenced below to see the error in my US version on the bottom of page 712. My UK edition arrived yesterday & there's an error in the sentence in that book as well, but not as bad as the US one. The UK version, on Page 618, says "...unless the few of us who know the truth stand united, there is no hope for any us." Basically, in the Uk version, the weird negative isn't there, but the word "of" is still missing between "any" and "us". From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:27:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4244 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4242] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 11:27 am (ET) Why have the fanfic writers decided that Harry is short for "Harold"? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:38:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:38:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4245 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4244] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/14/00 11:38 am (ET) <<<Why have the fanfic writers decided that Harry is short for "Harold"?>>> I fervently believe it is NOT short for Harold!!! I'm writing a fanfic right now, and there will be no giving him the name Harold. He's always called just Harry (even though Ron gets called Ronald at times) and he shows up on the Marauder's Map as Harry (even though others show up with their more formal name -- GoF). He's just Harry!!! Penny From karob_7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 15:40:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4246 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4222] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 11:40 am (ET) s p o i l e r space s p o i l e r space I don't know if Mrs. Figg's 10 yr old chocolate cake could be THAT much worse than the talon Hermione found in Hagrid's "beef" casserole. Plus Harry's got lots of odd and/or disreputable friends--Hagrid, Sirius, Lupin, Dobby..... If you didn't know them, you wouldn't think they could be good friends at all. And Dumbledore trusts witches and wizards that most others don't find so trustworthy. Karin From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 16:44:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4247 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4222] Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 12:44 pm (ET) > > SPOILER > > SPACE > > SPOILER > > SPACE > > ****** > > I'm > > Just > > Wild > > About > > Harry! > > And > > Harry's > > Wild > > About > > Meeeeee! > > ******** > > I (like the others who replied) wouldn't put it back Dumbledore to > station one of his friends there to keep an eye on Harry, but Arabella > Figg with her chocolate cake that tasted like it had been in the > refrigerator for ten years doesn't seem like the best sort of friend > to have. I don't know, that could be very feasable for a witch living undercover in the muggle world for all that time. Look at all the problems the Weasly's have when they try to cope with the muggle world (I loved the descriotion of the taxi ride to the station.) Perhaps those cakes HAD been stored in the refrigerator for 10 years, since Mrs. Figg couldn't figure out how to cook one in the muggle house! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:04:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4248 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4215] Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 1:04 pm (ET) spacy spacy spacier >>>BTW, did you notice that at the ball Prof Sinistra is dancing with a male teacher?! Did Sinistra -- like Tip/Ozma in the Oz books -- get a magical sex change? Assumptions, assumptions. Do you know that old saying about how when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME? I am not trying to be preachy here, I also assumed before reading GoF that Sinistra was male, despite the fact that there is no indication of Sinistras gender in the earlier books. So, Prof. Sinistra may well be a woman. No, strike that -- she would not be a woman but a witch. However, while I am busy advocating not making assumptions, I have to add that it is still possible that Sinistra is male and is dancing with another male. This is not illegal, immoral, impossible or even particularly uncommon in the muggle world, and the wizarding seems to follow many aspects of contemporary muggle culture. Please note that I am just trying to answer Daves question. I dont mean to start a political discussion on sexism, gay rights or any other political topic, which although it would be interesting to me, does not (IMO) belong here. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:14:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4249 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4226] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/14/00 1:14 pm (ET) LOOK OUT BELOW!!!!! SPOILERS ACOMIN'!!!!!!!!! >>>(3) Your third plot hole does have me puzzled though. I was wondering the same thing. Why not portkey Harry's slippers to big V's kitchen table? [snip] >>>- "Easy catch" theories. One sort of possibility has to do with susceptibility. Either that competitors are less thoroughly protected than normal or that Harry himself would somehow be easier to get. >>>- The other sort are "juicy catch" theories For some reason, getting Harry at that very moment would be more satisfying than at some easier moment. For example, that V. wanted to make as frightening a display as possible of his new power. Or that a triumphant Harry would impart more power than a normal Harry. This are reasonable possible explanations. Unfortunately, I am afraid that the real reason these (IMO very large) holes exist is because JKR simply did not have the time to think the plot details through in trying to meet the deadline for getting the book out. Of course, I could be wrong, and I hope I am! Maybe Book 5 or 6 or 7 will make Voldys plan clearer. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:19:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:19:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4250 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4248] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 1:19 pm (ET) I was wondering that myself-- It says that Professor Sinistra was dancing with a man, but does the book refer to Sinistra as "she"? If not, Sinistra could indeed by a guy. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:25:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:25:00 -0400 Subject: I know we're grownups, but Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4251 From: heiditandy Subject: I know we're grownups, but Date: 7/14/00 1:25 pm (ET) The Washington Post has a nifty selection of kids' comments on the HP books (no spoilers). Personally, I was especially iinterested in/puzzled by the 2nd to last comment. The website is http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/kids/features/A37922-2000Jul13.html From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:33:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4252 From: GypsyCaine Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/14/00 1:33 pm (ET) I agree with the young adult who said "Is it possible that the magic of Harry Potter has simply become too powerful? Has it all become a contest of who can read the fastest and then prove it by telling other people what they've read? If they finish the book before you do, they may give away things that you had every intention of finding out yourself. Kids might feel as though they had to finish the book as fast as they could just so they could say that they had finished it, and overlook the actual story. Reading is supposed to be a pleasure, not a race. " Kelsey Elving, 11, Washington After seeing everyone rushing (and yes, that is the word, rushing) to read HP like driving through a McDonalds drive thru, it makes you wonder if they all (I know some are, though) getting the storyline? I like McDonalds food, but I also like Fridays (sit-down restaurant in the area) where you sit, eat, relax, and even eat dessert. Can't we approach this like a box of chocolates (or if you don't like the Forrest Gump analogy, a 1/2 gallon of my favorite--peaches and cream ice cream)? You treasure each and every piece (bite/spoonful) and make it last as long as you possible can. I won't deny that I am going to read HP during my free moments. I rarely get those free moments, and that will make it seem all more precious to me. Just a thought...slow down. Advice to myself as well! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4253 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4250] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 1:48 pm (ET) S P O I L E RS P O I L E RS P O I L E RS P O I L E RS P O I L E R <<I was wondering that myself-- It says that Professor Sinistra was dancing with a man, but does the book refer to Sinistra as "she"?>> Much as I would welcome a vaguely gay reference in a Harry Potter book, it seems unlikely. I'm fairly sure that Sinistra is identified as female somewhere in the book, because I remember thinking while I was reading, 'oh, so Sinistra and Vector are both witches'. Obvious to say it, but this means that most of the staff are women, but none has a really big role - there's McGonagall, Sprout, Trelawney and Hooch, plus Vector and Sinistra, not to mention Pince, Pomfrey and Grubbly-Plank. But, only McGonagall has a role of any 'significance' to date, unless you count Madame Maxime. Among the men, though, Dumbledore, Snape, Hagrid and the various DADA teachers have all been major characters. Only Flitwick and Binns (and Kettleburn)are extras. I hope we get to see a bit more of the witch contingent in future books... Er, who teaches Muggle Studies, BTW? Neil From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:55:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:55:00 -0400 Subject: I know we're grownups, but Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4254 From: davehoz Subject: Re: I know we're grownups, but Reply To: [Yahoo! #4251] I know we're grownups, but Date: 7/14/00 1:55 pm (ET) That 2nd to last comment reminds me of those Oz fans who object to Ozma using witchcraft because she's a fairy! Can't an author break out of the cliches and explore new territory for heaven's sake? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: error in my US edition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4255 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: error in my US edition Reply To: [Yahoo! #4243] Re: error in my US edition SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 1:56 pm (ET) "Click on my original message referenced below to see the error in my US version on the bottom of page 712." Can people note that some people receive the messages by e-mail and so do not have the link to the message you are replying to. Simon From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 17:56:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4256 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4215] Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 1:56 pm (ET) SPOILERS AHEAD! ****************** ************ ******* *** ** * <<BTW, did you notice that at the ball Prof Sinistra is dancing with a male teacher?! Did Sinistra -- like Tip/Ozma in the Oz books -- get a magical sex change? (If Sinistra is in fact female now, then instead of Patrick Moore, I think she should be portrayed in the movie by Fiorella Terenzi, the only astronomer who resembles a Veela.)>> for some reason I got the impression that both Sinstra and Vector are women. I can't remember which book though... From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:02:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: Newsround Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4257 From: hert0661 Subject: Newsround Date: 7/14/00 2:02 pm (ET) Hello all I watched Newsround (BBC Childrens news programme) which had a JKR special this evening. Yet again she s failed to mention that there are adult readers of the Harry Potter series! The main thing she revealed was that the 'Harry has Lily's eyes' is important to the books. I assume the programme will be on the Newsround website: www.bbc.co.uk/newsround Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:05:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:05:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4258 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4253] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 2:05 pm (ET) I'm hoping that at some point there will be a female DADA teacher, and also that Harry and Ron may in future take other elective classes that might introduce new female teachers into the plot. It's odd, though -- It seems as though JKR is voluntarily evading revealing Sinistra's gender (Why?)... I hope she is female though -- Do you have any idea how many great women have contributed to astronomy, only to have some macho git come in and take all the credit, ' la Lockhart? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:14:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Vector Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4259 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prof. Vector Reply To: [Yahoo! #4256] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 2:14 pm (ET) "for some reason I got the impression that both Sinstra and Vector are women. I can't remember which book though..." Vector is referred to as a witch by either Ron or Hermione in PoA Simon From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:44:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: error in my US edition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4260 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: error in my US edition Reply To: [Yahoo! #4255] Re: error in my US edition Date: 7/14/00 2:44 pm (ET) Sounds fair - well, you do have access to it by going to the website, but I can understand if you want to avoid doing that - check the original post, resposted after my spoiler space: s p o i l e r s p a c e c a d e t The bottom of page 712: "Time is short and unless the few of us who know the truth do not stand united, there is no hope for any us." 2 errors in there - 1. the bulk of the sentence should be EITHER: (a) Time is short and if the few of us who know the truth do not stand united... OR (b) Time is short and unless the few of us who know the truth do stand united... and 2. The word "of" is missing between "any" and "us". If anyone gets a 2nd printing or later, can you please let us know if this is corrected? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:45:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: harry potter internet address book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4261 From: heiditandy Subject: harry potter internet address book Reply To: [Yahoo! #4260] Re: error in my US edition Date: 7/14/00 2:45 pm (ET) It's listed at Amazon, but there's not much info - the url is http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768323134/o/qid=963600135/sr=8-1/ref=aps _sr_b_1_1/104-7640937-4177569 All is says right now is Hardcover (September 2000) Cedco Publishing; ISBN: 0768323134 This item will be published in September 2000. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1,369,820 From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:45:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4262 From: sage016 Subject: Re: I have to admit, that in some ways, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4252] I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/14/00 2:45 pm (ET) >>Just a thought...slow down. Advice to myself as well! << i agree totally. i started GoF last night, and i only got through chapter 1 because i was tired, and even though i wanted to read more, i stopped, because i knew i wouldnt really be reading the story, id just be reading awhole bunch of words that didnt make sense, and that i wouldnt have a chance of remembering in the morning. I personally have never rushed through a harry potter books. First off, im a slow reader, and have very bad comprehension skills....so I have re-read alot of chapters, because i often forget what happened. The fastest i have ever read a harry potter book was in a week and a half. and that a was PoA. Im pretty sure GoF is going to take me at least a month, its just so long. And this is coming from a High School Graduate, i have no idea how some of these kids have finnished this book so fast. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:49:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: harry potter big sticker book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4263 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: harry potter big sticker book Reply To: [Yahoo! #4261] harry potter internet address book Date: 7/14/00 2:49 pm (ET) At http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768323177/o/qid=963600397/sr=8-1/ref=aps _sr_b_1_1/104-7640937-4177569 is a little bit about this book: Paperback (September 2000) Cedco Publishing; ISBN: 0768323177 This item will be published in September 2000. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Amazon.com Sales Rank: 65,384 There;s also a Hogwarts Big Sticker book at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768323169/o/qid=963600467/sr=2-3/104-764 0937-4177569, a Gel Pen Blank Book Owl Notes at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768323215/qid=963600467/sr=1-14/104-7640 937-4177569 and a whole bunch of other things listed at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Author=Cedco/104-7640937-4177569, like a Hermione Address Book. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 18:51:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: harry potter big sticker book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4264 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: harry potter big sticker book Reply To: [Yahoo! #4263] Re: harry potter big sticker book Date: 7/14/00 2:51 pm (ET) More on CEDCO, the publishers - their website is http://www.cedco.com/default.asp From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 Subject: Guardian - the two Potters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4265 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Guardian - the two Potters Date: 7/14/00 3:15 pm (ET) An interesting spoof article in British newspaper, The Guardian. FYI - Bel Littlejohn is also a spoof. She's actually a man who pretends to be a woman writing a regular, often bizarre column. Confused? Read on... http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,343202,00.html Neil From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:25:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Stamps (spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4266 From: sage016 Subject: Stamps (spoiler) Date: 7/14/00 3:25 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E How many of you guys laughed in chapter 2 of GoF when Mr. Dursley read the letter to Harry the bit of "i do hope we've put enough stamps on" then shows harry the envelope which is COVERED in stamps. oh man, im still laughing about it. -kristen- (happily reading GoF) From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:27:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Who died first Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4267 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Who died first Reply To: [Yahoo! #4217] Ravenclaw? Date: 7/14/00 3:27 pm (ET) Don't know if this was already addressed, but he would have had to kill James first, because Lilly died protecting Harry...logically, he couldn't have killed James after his spell to kill Harry didn't work and he lost his power. Tori From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Sinistra - the evil witch? Um, spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4268 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Sinistra - the evil witch? Um, spoiler Date: 7/14/00 3:31 pm (ET) M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M Professor Sinistra does "an ungainly two-step" with Moody at the Yule Ball, but the sex is not revealed. Assuming she is a witch, they must have looked pretty odd anyway. Sinistra as a name suggests 'on the left' or perhaps, via sinister, 'evil'. It seems a bit obvious to make such a direct reference to someone being BAD, but JKR is fairly transparent with such things. Is Sinistra a baddie? On the other hand, Sinistra's dance with the 'Scooby Doo' madman might be the highlight of her scant appearances. I agree that a strong female astronmer would be cool. Heather Couper is the only female astronomer I can think of, and I doubt she's internationally famous... Neil, who is stuffing his face with Starburst Joosters, pretending they are Bertie Bott's Every-Flavour Beans, and likely to throw up. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:44:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4269 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: I have to admit, that in some ways, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4252] I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/14/00 3:44 pm (ET) I completely agree! I finally got my book yesterday and am savoring it b/c I know that the next book won't be out for another year!!!!!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:46:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Who died first Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4270 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Who died first Reply To: [Yahoo! #4267] Who died first Date: 7/14/00 3:46 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Don't know if this was already addressed, but he would have had to kill James first, because Lilly died protecting Harry...logically, he couldn't have killed James after his spell to kill Harry didn't work and he lost his power.>>> Not necessarily. SPOILER WARNING (end of GoF) S P O I L E R S P A C E James came out of the wand first, which means he died after Lily. So, I have 2 theories already posted in detail in an earlier message today. Briefly, V met up with Lily & Harry first, killed Lily and was then interrupted from turning to Harry by James. He then kills James before turning to Harry. OR, he tried to kill James (but didn't use the killing curse, something lesser), and James lay dying in another room while Lily was killed. In this scenario, Lily dies first, even though James was the first attacked. I like the 2nd theory best. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:46:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Harry'n'Ron /2nd quarter GoF SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4271 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Harry'n'Ron /2nd quarter GoF SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 3:46 pm (ET) W A H E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E Y ! I can't remember if I've said this before, because I'm losing the plot a bit with all these messages to read! For me the bust up between Harry and Ron was far more upsetting than, say, the death of Cedric. The whole time they were not speaking, I felt exactly as I've felt when I've been in that situation with friends - the pent up stress, the feeling of emptiness, wanting to put things right. I think I was tense and reading on the edge of my seat with my teeth gritted, until halfway through the book, when... "Ron grinned nervously at him, and Harry grinned back. Hermione burst into tears" Aaaaaah! [blink, blink] So did flying_ford_anglia :( From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 19:56:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4272 From: msbooktworm Subject: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 3:56 pm (ET) Are all house-elves named Dobby? The Weasley's have Dobby and then in CoS Dobby is set free by an old sock. How did Dobby end up in the hands of Malfoy, or is it another Dobby? I realize this question is from 2 books ago, but I would still like clarification, and what better people to ask than y'all? Read on... Melissa From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:17:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: Owls and Little Brothers - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4273 From: Danemead Subject: Owls and Little Brothers - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 4:17 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E T H E F I N A L FRONTIER One thing I love about JKR is that she has created so many marvelously eccentric characters. When I was reading GoF for the first time, I got an immediate connection in my brain between the personalities of Ron's owl Pigwidgeon and Colin Creevey's little brother Dennis. They both seem to be tiny little creatures who radiate joy at everything in life. Pig is as hyperactive as a hummingbird, and Dennis Creevey is so blissfully exuberant about his little misadventure in the lake on the first day. They're both adorable. :))) From kialo at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:24:00 2000 From: kialo at yahoo.com (kialo) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4274 From: kialo Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4272] Dobby Date: 7/14/00 4:24 pm (ET) Well I'm just finished book 2 and I don't remember the Weasleys every having a house elf. I know Dobby came to Harry while he was at the Dursleys in CoS, trying to stop him from going back to school cause of the things he knew from working at Malfoys. Dobby is actually Malfoys house elf..at the end of CoS Harry tricks Mr. Malfoy into throwing Dobby an old sock. Hence Dobby was free. From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:31:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: Who died first, Cedric and spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4275 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Who died first, Cedric and spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #4270] Re: Who died first Date: 7/14/00 4:31 pm (ET) I had this dream last night that I was outside Hagrid's cabin, listening to Dumbledore talk to someone. I'm not sure WHERE I got this from, but... I actually get to use Spoilers now!!!!! S P O I L E R I A M H U N G R Y He was telling whoever-it-was that he decided to make Cedric's ghost the new Care of Magical Creatures professor, because Hagrid would be busy. I have no idea what my mind was thinking...but it would be interesting. Also, on the topic of Harry's parents and the wand... "And now another head was emerging from the tip of Voldemort's wand...and Harry knew when he saw it who it would be..." How could he have known it would be his father, since all this time he was under the assumption that his mother died last? Maybe JKR had him come out first because Harry has always felt...I don't know...closer to his father than his mother, and it would kinda be anticlimactic for Lily to get there first. I could be wrong...even though I'm never wrong :) So, anyway, Tori, who is very hungry right now. Am I the only one gets hungry when I read these books? Soooo much talk about food! From kialo at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:32:00 2000 From: kialo at yahoo.com (kialo) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:32:00 -0400 Subject: New club member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4276 From: kialo Subject: New club member Date: 7/14/00 4:32 pm (ET) Hi all..I'm 33, female and just started reading HP. I've finished CoS and am heading on to PoA. I really love these books and am keeping them for when my baby (due in 10 wks)! From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:34:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:34:00 -0400 Subject: Female Astronomer-OT Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4277 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Female Astronomer-OT Reply To: [Yahoo! #4268] Sinistra - the evil witch? Um, spoiler Date: 7/14/00 4:34 pm (ET) Neil-- I went to school with a gal who now works at Mt. Wilson Observatory-Dr. Sallie Baliunas. A couple of years ago she was even on the cover of Discovery Magazine-they did an article called "Women of Science". --Rita >I agree that a strong female astronmer would be cool. Heather Couper is the only female astronomer I can think of, and I doubt she's internationally famous... From harrypotter4life at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:36:00 2000 From: harrypotter4life at yahoo.com (harrypotter4life) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: ...sigh... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4278 From: harrypotter4life Subject: ...sigh... Date: 7/14/00 4:36 pm (ET) It would take me hours to look for the last message I posted and see the replies so I decided to tell you all that I have just finished my 4th year at Hogwarts!!! Yeah!!! HP P.S. Party at the Leaky Cauldron! From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:40:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:40:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4279 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4274] Re: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 4:40 pm (ET) Thank you for your post. I thought Dobby was at the Weasleys at one time when Harry was there. In what book does it state that Dobby belongs to the Malfoys? I must have read right over that one. That goes to show what can be missed when the books are gulped instead of savored. Now if only I can hurry up and finish GoF, then I can start all over at SS again to catch these things. Thanks again, Read on... Melissa From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:46:00 -0400 Subject: Little Brothers - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4280 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Little Brothers - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4273] Owls and Little Brothers - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 4:46 pm (ET) This message contains spoilers for the Goblet of Fire. S P O I L E R S P A C E T H E F I N A L FRONTIER What really left me confused about meeting Dennis was the fact that there seemed to be little reason in it. So Colin was fairly important in book 2 but why did we need to know and meet his brother? Are these two going to do something in te later books? Simon From sthesinger at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:54:00 2000 From: sthesinger at yahoo.com (sthesinger) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4281 From: sthesinger Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4279] Re: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 4:54 pm (ET) Oh dear Melissa - you have missed ahuge chunk of POA because don't you remember when harry takes off his smelly sock and puts Tom Riddles diary in it to return it to Mr Malfoy? He rips off the sock which Dobby then catches and thus is released from the employment of the Malfoys by the fact that Malfoy has thrown him an item of clothing. Malfoy is furious but can do nothing about it. That is why Dobby is looking for work in Book 4. Perhaps you need a bit of re-reading!! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 20:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4282 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/14/00 4:56 pm (ET) O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <<(3) Your third plot hole does have me puzzled though. I was wondering the same thing. Why not portkey Harry's slippers to big V's kitchen table>> The cup was at the centre of a maze and likely to be touched only by Harry Potter at around a certain time. Just about anything else that was turned into a portkey would be: (A) likely to be touched by someone else (B) unlikely to be touched within a window of time Scenario (A) ... Poppy Pomfrey, after a day trying to snap Colin Creevey out of another of Draco Malfoy's 'Hero Adorus' spells, leaned back on the window ledge and fingered the Perceptive Pencil Harry had lent her that afternoon. Yeareeeeeh!! Baroom! In a sudden whirl of light and sound, Poppy found herself in a dim, dank graveyard, her rosy cheek pushed hard into mossy ground. She heard footsteps approaching and from far away, above her head, she heard a high, cold voice say, 'Kill the ... uh, um, big witch in the nurse's outfit? Damn!' Scenario (B) It was gone 2am and the graveyard was lit only by a gibbous moon. In the blackened trees a few owls hooted mournfully. 'Oh, put me DOWN, Wormtail.' screeched a high, cold voice. 'I'm a fallen evildoer not a My Little Pony[TM] for you to rock back and forth. Where in Hecate's name is Potter? We've been here for five blithering hours'. 'My Lord,' Wormtail whimpered. 'I can't think what has happened. The slice of ham was the designated portkey. Perhaps Potter pushed it to the side of his plate?' 'Gah! Just put me down, you fool!' Wormtail placed the tiny, bloody-eyed bundle on a nearby rock and glanced round at the assorted Death Eaters. Most of them were sprawled on the ground chatting and stretching; one or two were kicking their heels by a knotty oak and looking at their watches. Lucius Malfoy had pushed up his mask and was drawing upon a thin cheroot, screwing his eyes: 'Can't you ... rise again in the morning, my Lord?' he drawled, yawning widely. 'All this standing around is killing my hamstrings.' The End Er, well... that's my theory. Neil From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:00:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:00:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4283 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4281] Re: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 5:00 pm (ET) The dirty sock was in the CoS, not PoA. To be exact, Chapter Eighteen, page 338. I am not quite finish PoA so if there is any more relevant info. in there, then that may explain my confusion. I still would like to know in what book does it state that Dobby belongs to the Malfoys? I missed that and I realize it and that is why I want to go back and read that part over again? That seems to be a big chunk to miss. Read on... Melissa From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:03:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4284 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4283] Re: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 5:03 pm (ET) Also, since I am not finished PoA yet, I (obviously) have not started GoF; therefore, I have not read about Dobby looking for a job. I appreciate your response. Read on... Melissa From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:18:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: Newsround Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4285 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Newsround Reply To: [Yahoo! #4257] Newsround Date: 7/14/00 5:18 pm (ET) Hi Simon and all. The VIDEO shown tonight on Newsround (BBC TV, United Kingdom) can be found at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/skins/transmission.ram It is likely to be there until 5pm BST Monday... after that, it may not be available. I am therefore working on an audio-only version, so after the BBC remove the video, we can still listen to the interview if we want. Links to the video also available at: www.broomsticks.org (in case you couldn't have guessed!). Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:20:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Casting News Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4286 From: babynick34 Subject: Movie Casting News Date: 7/14/00 5:20 pm (ET) Latest about the movie casting: Empire (the popular UK film review magazine) has just said today (14th July) that: "Former England rugby player Martin Bayfield has been in discussions about joining the production of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. At 6 foot 10, the sportsman is ideal to play gamekeeper Hagrid. But maybe only the giant's body, as the role has also been linked with Robbie Coltrane. So perhaps we'll be seeing a Darth Vader situation?" Link: http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?story=2378 Nick. From galileo_did at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:31:00 2000 From: galileo_did at yahoo.com (galileo_did) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4287 From: galileo_did Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4240] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/14/00 5:31 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E About waiting until the end of the Triwizard Tournament... has anyone thought that the DATE might have some significance? June 24th... that's a little over a month away from Harry's birthday... Can someone look in Book 1 and find out what day (or at least, close to it) that Voldemort was actually vanquished? I think it said that Harry was a few weeks shy of his first birthday, but I could be completely wrong. I lent my mother my copy of SS so I can't check myself. Maybe Voldemort had to come "back to life" on the anniversary of the day he was "put to death"... interesting... somebody check it out!! Galileo From babynick34 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:35:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: harry potter big sticker book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4288 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: harry potter big sticker book Reply To: [Yahoo! #4263] Re: harry potter big sticker book Date: 7/14/00 5:35 pm (ET) Cedco have not put anything on their website about these products (www.cedco.com). I have therefore contacted their customer service department regarding these items - and will let you know if I hear anything back from them. Nick. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:44:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Casting News Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4289 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Movie Casting News Reply To: [Yahoo! #4286] Movie Casting News Date: 7/14/00 5:44 pm (ET) <<"Former England rugby player Martin Bayfield has been in discussions about joining the production of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.">> Thanks for digging that up, Nick! He's quite young, but he's from near my home town, so hooray if he's in the film. Actually, this bolsters my theory that Robbie Coltrane is auditioning for Vernon Dursley, not Hagrid. I just found this comical description of Martin Bayfield on a web site promoting his after dinner speaking skills: - "Standing at 6 feet 10 inches and weighing around 20 stones, he makes an impressive addition to any top table!" Makes him sound like an exotic ice sculpture... Neil From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 21:49:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4290 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4282] Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/14/00 5:49 pm (ET) Neil, you crack me up!!! From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 22:29:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4291 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4245] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/14/00 6:29 pm (ET) <<<Why have the fanfic writers decided that Harry is short for "Harold"?>>> I fervently believe it is NOT short for Harold!!! I'm writing a fanfic right now, and there will be no giving him the name Harold. He's always called just Harry (even though Ron gets called Ronald at times) and he shows up on the Marauder's Map as Harry (even though others show up with their more formal name -- GoF). He's just Harry!!!>>> AND when Mr. Dursley asks Mrs. Dursley about his name, she says Harry, NOT Harold. Jennifer From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 22:32:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4292 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: I have to admit, that in some ways, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4252] I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/14/00 6:32 pm (ET) <<Kids might feel as though they had to finish the book as fast as they could just so they could say that they had finished it, and overlook the actual story. Reading is supposed to be a pleasure, not a race. " Just a thought...slow down. Advice to myself as well!>> I agree. I must admit that I may have read all 4 books too fast, especially after going through some of these posts. That is one reason that I am reading them all again, slower, to get more detail. Of course, I also have time to do this:) Jennifer From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 22:40:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4293 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4253] Re: Prof. Sinistra (GoF spoilers!!) Date: 7/14/00 6:40 pm (ET) Neil says: >>>I'm fairly sure that Sinistra is identified as female somewhere in the book, because I remember thinking while I was reading, 'oh, so Sinistra and Vector are both witches'. Joy says: hmmmmm......I don't remember reading anything like that anywhere. If you find the reference please let us know. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 22:58:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4294 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4287] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/14/00 6:58 pm (ET) >>>Can someone look in Book 1 and find out what day (or at least, close to it) that Voldemort was actually vanquished? At some point in Book 1 it is mentioned that Voldemort went to James and Lily Potter's house on Halloween night and killed them. From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 23:04:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: a good laugh Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4295 From: msbooktworm Subject: a good laugh Date: 7/14/00 7:04 pm (ET) Neil, I have not laughed at a post like that since, well, actually never. Thanks for the sharp humor! Read on... Melissa From innwilly at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 23:36:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4296 From: innwilly Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4245] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/14/00 7:36 pm (ET) Where can we go to read or write fanfic? This sounds very interesting. I happen to have written a very short story and would love to read others. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 23:51:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4297 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4296] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/14/00 7:51 pm (ET) you can read & post at http://www.fanfiction.net - that's where the best Harry Potter fanfic I've ever read, PARADIGM OF UNDERTAINTY, by someone named Lori, is posted. Check it out! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 23:53:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4298 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4291] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/14/00 7:53 pm (ET) <<<Why have the fanfic writers decided that Harry is short for "Harold"?>>> TO respond to my own question, it's very very clear that it's not Harold. In Book 1, Chapter 1, Vernon asks Petunia what his wife's sister's son's name is, and he says..."Harold?..." and Petunia replies "Harry", which intimates for me that it's pretty clear that it's NOT Harold. Just musing... From batgrl33 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 00:32:00 2000 From: batgrl33 at yahoo.com (batgrl33) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:32:00 -0400 Subject: Hello! And a question! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4299 From: batgrl33 Subject: Hello! And a question! Date: 7/14/00 8:32 pm (ET) Finally some folk to talk to about Harry! Have only badgered one or two people to read the books and none of them have gotten to Book4 - it is so nice to at least read postings! Some news program (local news I think) I saw recently stated that 40% of the readers of the books were adults - not that I know where they got the number, they didn't say (I hate it when the media just throw info out there and don't give any reference!). So, do you think this is accurate or are there more of us? (I can't imagine it being less than 40%!) From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 01:23:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:23:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4300 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Dobby Reply To: [Yahoo! #4283] Re: Dobby Date: 7/14/00 9:23 pm (ET) >The dirty sock was in the CoS, not PoA. To be exact, Chapter Eighteen, page 338. I am not quite finish PoA so if there is any more relevant info. in there, then that may explain my confusion. I still would like to know in what book does it state that Dobby belongs to the Malfoys? I missed that and I realize it and that is why I want to go back and read that part over again? That seems to be a big chunk to miss.> You have the correct page: Malfoy Sr. tosses the sock; orders Dobby to follow; Dobby refuses saying "Master threw it"; Malfoy yelling at Harry "You've lost me my servant, boy!" That makes it pretty obvious that Dobby belonged to the Malfoys. From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 01:27:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:27:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4301 From: echomyst Subject: Re: I have to admit, that in some ways, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4252] I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/14/00 9:27 pm (ET) >>>Just a thought...slow down. Advice to myself as well!>>> Yup, that advice's for me too. I couldn't stop myself from finishing GoF in one day (weeell---past midnight, so it could count as two!)...I've never read that quickly in my entire life =) Now I'll have to reread it and wait, wait, wait for the next book! Emily From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 01:43:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4302 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4208] Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/14/00 9:43 pm (ET) >>>I was wondering about this too. My guess is that there are only a limited number of spells that Hagrid does, and he has had 50 years of practice getting them right with his broken wand.>>> Thanks, that makes sense. Funny though, I've never thought of Hagrid being that *old* =) Emily =P From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 01:54:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:54:00 -0400 Subject: Little Brothers - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4303 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Little Brothers - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4280] Re: Little Brothers - SPOILER Date: 7/14/00 9:54 pm (ET) >>>What really left me confused about meeting Dennis was the fact that there seemed to be little reason in it.>>> Perhaps the brothers will play bigger roles later on, but for now, I think the reason why Dennis was introduced is to lighten up the atmosphere. I may be wrong, but the way Dennis acted did make me laugh! Emily =P From sage016 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 01:58:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Hello! And a question! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4304 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Hello! And a question! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4299] Hello! And a question! Date: 7/14/00 9:58 pm (ET) i think that would depend on your deffinition of "adult". Like someone like me who is 18 years old, would be borderline. I'm technically an adult, yet alot of people still view me as a kid. From sakerio at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 02:03:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:03:00 -0400 Subject: Guardian - the two Potters Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4305 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Guardian - the two Potters Reply To: [Yahoo! #4265] Guardian - the two Potters Date: 7/14/00 10:03 pm (ET) Neil, just reading thru the messages and checked out the article. Thanks for that, you have restored my faith in British humor and personality. Rio From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 02:25:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: Hello! And a question! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4306 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Hello! And a question! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4304] Re: Hello! And a question! Date: 7/14/00 10:25 pm (ET) >>>Like someone like me who is 18 years old, would be borderline. I'm technically an adult, yet a lot of people still view me as a kid.>>> Ditto. From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 02:42:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4307 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4282] Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/14/00 10:42 pm (ET) ROFLMAO...with tears rolling down my face....you made my day... From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 03:11:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:11:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4308 From: prof_nellup Subject: Wizards and Witches Date: 7/14/00 11:11 pm (ET) I suppose this was probably covered around 3000 messages ago, but please bear with me. The discussion re: Prof. Sinastra got me thinking and wondering. Witches are always females, whereas warlocks are "male" witches, correct? Why are wizards only males? warlocks:witches::wizards: ? What, if any, is the difference between a warlock and a wizard? Why can't a female be a wizard? Can anyone clear this up for me? ~Val~ From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 03:52:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4309 From: prof_nellup Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/14/00 11:52 pm (ET) I know this hasn't been mentioned since I joined. I just wanted to comment on how well represented females are in Quidditch. In our "muggle" world, it is very unusual to see boys and girls playing on the same sports teams in the preteen and especially the teen years. In pro sports, it's unheard of. I love the fact that Quidditch is a unisex sport at all levels. Why, the prime position of Seeker on Ravenclaw is a female (Cho Chang)! Now in GoF... S P O I L E R S P A C E (Hope that was enough) ...even in the Quidditch World Cup finals, females seemed to be well-represented. For example,two of the three dynamite Irish chasers were females, Mullet and Moran. They took some rough hits from the Bulgarians, but continually came back to score goals. Personally, my fifth grade students loved the fact that the teams were co-ed. When we played our version of Quidditch, the girls did well in all positions. Now, on the other hand...the veela...what a bunch of "harpies"!!! From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:08:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:08:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4310 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Reply To: [Yahoo! #4309] Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/15/00 12:08 am (ET) > In our >"muggle" world, it is very unusual to see boys and girls playing on the >same sports teams in the preteen and especially the teen years. In pro >sports, it's unheard of. Well, not *entirely* unheard of: Ilya Borders plays pro-baseball on an otherwise male team...Although I gather she has to contend with a lot of resentment from her macho, testosterone-bloated teammates. Quidditch teammembers are always supportive of each other. This mutual support also seems to be exceptional in the Wizarding World... When I was at school, if I did something wrong or showed a deficiency of athleticism on a team, I got tied to a tree and force-fed dry grass. From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:09:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4311 From: norevoli Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4291] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/15/00 12:09 am (ET) <<<Why have the fanfic writers decided that Harry is short for "Harold"?>>> I fervently believe it is NOT short for Harold!!! I'm writing a fanfic right now, and there will be no giving him the name Harold. He's always called just Harry (even though Ron gets called Ronald at times) and he shows up on the Marauder's Map as Harry (even though others show up with their more formal name -- GoF). He's just Harry!!!>>> "AND when Mr. Dursley asks Mrs. Dursley about his name, she says Harry, NOT Harold. Jennifer " Actually when Dursley first hears the name Harry being said by some wizards on the street corner, he runs a list of names through his head "He was sure there were lots of people called Potter who had a son called Harry. Come to think of it he wasn't even sure his nephew *was* named Harry. It might have been Harvey. Or Harold." From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:12:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:12:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4312 From: norevoli Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4294] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/15/00 12:12 am (ET) >>>Can someone look in Book 1 and find out what day (or at least, close to it) that Voldemort was actually vanquished? <<At some point in Book 1 it is mentioned that Voldemort went to James and Lily Potter's house on Halloween night and killed them. >> says Hagrid in Chapter 4 of book 1: "All anyone knows is, he he turned up in the village where you was all living, on Hallowe'en ten years ago." From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:12:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:12:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4313 From: norevoli Subject: RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4294] RE: Book 4 Comments--Plot Holes Date: 7/15/00 12:12 am (ET) >>>Can someone look in Book 1 and find out what day (or at least, close to it) that Voldemort was actually vanquished? <<At some point in Book 1 it is mentioned that Voldemort went to James and Lily Potter's house on Halloween night and killed them. >> says Hagrid in Chapter 4 of book 1: "All anyone knows is, he turned up in the village where you was all living, on Hallowe'en ten years ago." From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:22:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: What is it that was so important? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4314 From: smitster1 Subject: What is it that was so important? Date: 7/15/00 12:22 am (ET) So many posts.... **** Spoiler for HP4 **** # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # JKR had said that something happened in Book 3 that is significent to Book 4 and that we'd know it when we saw it. But, I must have missed it. Is it the Map that should have told him (and us) Moody wasn't Moody? The entire time I read HP 4, I thought Wormtail was going to save Harry when Harry was magicked to Voldemort--boy was I wrong. (Harry saved Wormtail so Wormtail would save Harry. Perhaps another time.) Perhaps Prof. Trelawny's prediction? Any thoughts? I was expecting something big (life saving in fact). Apparently, another read is required. smitster1 From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:52:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:52:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4315 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4308] Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 12:52 am (ET) > Witches are always females, whereas warlocks are "male" witches, correct? Why are wizards only males? warlocks:witches::wizards: ? What, if any, is the difference between a warlock and a wizard? Why can't a female be a wizard? This whole thing is because JKR believes that the word for a woman who uses magic is 'witch' and the word for a man who uses magic is 'wizard'. One of the newspaper article described young Jo Rowling playing with a gang of kids including her sister Di and Ian and Vicki Potter. The kids liked to play 'make-believe' games and often the girls dressed as witches while the boys dressed as wizards. Gender is the only difference. I'm glad the kids had fun, but if their parents or TV had read them different storybooks, they might have been witches and warlocks instead (like on the Bewitched TV show), or wizards and wizardesses. In my frpg life, I'm used to calling magic users (regardless of gender) 'mages' or 'MUs'. I haven't yet had a chance to say "I'm not a mage but I play one in frpg. 'Warlock' is actually a nasty word, meaning 'oathbreaker', and I don't know why Chf. Warlock is one of Dumbledore's titles on his letterhead. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:53:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: Gem or junk - misprinted book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4316 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Gem or junk - misprinted book Reply To: [Yahoo! #3791] Gem or junk - misprinted book Date: 7/15/00 12:53 am (ET) Tell ya what. If I find books with pages missing, I'll send 'em your way. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 04:54:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:54:00 -0400 Subject: What is it that was so important? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4317 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: What is it that was so important? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4314] What is it that was so important? Date: 7/15/00 12:54 am (ET) >>>>JKR had said that something happened in Book 3 that is significent to Book 4 and that we'd know it when we saw it. Actually, JKR said that something happened in Book *1* that is significant to the *end* of Book 4 and that something IMHO is s p o i l e r s p a c e is that Harry and Voldemorts wands are both made with feathers from the same phoenix (which Mr. Ollivander tells Harry in Book 1), and are therefore *twins* of a sort (thus the results of HP and Voldys duel in Book 4). From batgrl33 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 05:43:00 2000 From: batgrl33 at yahoo.com (batgrl33) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Subject: a question! and Speed Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4318 From: batgrl33 Subject: Re: a question! and Speed Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #4304] Re: Hello! And a question! Date: 7/15/00 1:43 am (ET) sage016: "I think that would depend on your deffinition of "adult". Like someone like me who is 18 years old, would be borderline. I'm technically an adult, yet alot of people still view me as a kid." Hey, this can happen regardless of age - it still does to me! Which brings me back to Harry and his people - what really hooked me was the fact that it's not the typical "all adults are evil, kids vs adults" scenario. Here there are adults who are having just as much fun as the kids and we get to see that - in how much the teachers at Hogwarts enjoy Quidditch and the competition with other houses for instance. And it's not kids vs adults - and the kids aren't always forced to go it alone and save the world without help - there are understanding adults ready to pitch in, and sometimes ready to help without being asked. I think this is what grabs the more adult, er, I guess I should say older readers. And as for speed reading (someone commented that some of us were reading the book so quickly, that they felt we should slow down and enjoy it more) - I would have loooved to read book 4 much slower! It's just that once I started to get into it I couldn't find a good stopping point! Thought I'd just find out what SoandSo would do in the next chapter and then I'd put the book down. And then I wanted to find out how SuchandSuch would get out of a certain situatios. (Hey, I'm careful, no spoilers!) So I ended up staying up all night and finishing the darn thing! And now I do have to go back and reread! But I think I'll enjoy it just as much the second time. Batgirl From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 07:17:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:17:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4319 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 3:17 am (ET) H I S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S SSSSSSSSSS I've been hunting around for information on Nagini. Perhaps some of you know this already, but I found it interesting. Nagini are the female representations of the serpent god, worshipped across India as it is thought to protect against evil. (The male forms are called Nagas). Nagini usually take the form of a woman with a snake's head or body, but certainly a hybrid creature. I'm not sure what this means in relation to the Nagini in GoF. Is she just a snake? Is she an animagus? If she protects against evil how does that tie in with Voldemort? Oh well. Perhaps it's just a name JKR chose because of the serpent connection. Here's a link: http://www.asia.si.edu/devi/nagini.htm From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 07:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:21:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4320 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4319] Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 3:21 am (ET) H I S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S SSSSSSSSSS I said: "Nagini are the female representations of the serpent god". It says "snake beings" in the link. Not the same as a god, I guess. Neil From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 13:15:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Subject: What is it that was so important? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4321 From: brp13 Subject: Re: What is it that was so important? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4314] What is it that was so important? Date: 7/15/00 9:15 am (ET) **** Spoiler for HP4 **** # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # I assume it is the prediction by Prof. Trelawny. That by far was one of the most signifigant things in the book. If that wasn't true, then no voldemort, and no "moody". The Triwizard Tounament would not include Harry, and a few other things too. That is pretty central to the book. From sage016 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 14:58:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:58:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4322 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4308] Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 10:58 am (ET) well i know this is like fiction.....but in the realworld, there is no such thing as a warlock. but wizards and witches do exist to a certain extent. but i dont wanna get into that, because usually it starts up a fight. From s_ings at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 15:31:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:31:00 -0400 Subject: Finally... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4323 From: S_Ings Subject: Finally... Date: 7/15/00 11:31 am (ET) I can't believe it - I'm finally caught up on all the posts, checked out all the new photos and finished book IV! Thanks Nick and Neil for all the photos - loved the one of the young reader at Kings Cross, Nick. Would post more on what I thought of the book, but I broke my thumb yesterday and am having a most difficult time just typing this and trying not to make masses of errors! Needless to say, though, that I loved the book. One small question, how many pages is the UK version? I know about the US, and our Canadian version is 636 pages. Sheryll From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 15:39:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Hello Everyone! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4324 From: quizical_joan Subject: Hello Everyone! Date: 7/15/00 11:39 am (ET) Hello, I'm a bit new here...just thought I'd join the throng of Harry Potter lovers since I am now obsessed, lol. So, give me the scoop! What goes on in here? Book discusions? chat? let me know! Tsch'ss! From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 15:41:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4325 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4322] Re: Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 11:41 am (ET) >From my understanding of the term "warlock" it generally means someone who dabbles in the dark arts i.e. casting hexs and spell or using magic for evil or negative purposes. My husband feels that he's a witch, but then again he's kinda odd. I would like to be a wizard but I think that it would sound a little too fictional. However this is just me and I could be wrong. Jess From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 15:47:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4326 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4325] Re: Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 11:47 am (ET) This is my understanding, with a bit of questioning as well. I have always been under the impression that there is a Witch and a Warlock (the same thing, but different gender) and a Wizard and a Sorceress (same thing, different gender) So I am a tad confused that Rowling uses the terms Witch and Wizard, when I have always believed them to be two separate titles. What is the difference between a witch and a wizard? From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:01:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4327 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: About spoilers but no spoiler in it. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4009] About spoilers but no spoiler in it.. Date: 7/15/00 12:01 pm (ET) I don't know if you've already set up a "Goblet of Fire" group, Darla. But I thought you (and others wanting to freely discuss book 4) may be interest to know that there is such a group at eGroups. Its address is: http://www.egroups.com/group/GobletOfFire But just to warn you all, it was just set up Tuesday, and already has 90 messages (as of yesterday). Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:10:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: Finally... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4328 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Finally... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4323] Finally... Date: 7/15/00 12:10 pm (ET) <<One small question, how many pages is the UK version? I know about the US, and our Canadian version is 636 pages.>> Hi Sheryll. Because I know the cover is the same, and the number pages are the same (636), I'm pretty sure the UK and Canadian versions are exactly the same. Thanks for acknowledging those photos, although they were overwhelmingly from Nick! Mine were just the few grainy, badly-lit ones. Neil From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:11:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: ? About Covers... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4329 From: quizical_joan Subject: ? About Covers... Date: 7/15/00 12:11 pm (ET) I was delighted to find the covers from around the world...I think that is so neat. It did, however, raise a question. Is the U.S. the only one to call book one "Sorcerer's Stone" ??? From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:27:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4330 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4326] Re: Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 12:27 pm (ET) >What is the difference between a witch and a wizard? It seems to depend on what universe you're in... In Oz, types of magic workers seemed to be define roughly by magnitude of power. At the top you have sorceresses (Glinda and the Adepts), then Wizards (Oscar Z. Diggs, a.k.a. The Wizard of Oz), then witches (the Good Witch of the North), and at the bottom, fairies (Ozma, though she has so many magical tools she may count as a fairly powerful witch). (As you can see, magic workers in Oz are disproportionally female...) From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:37:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4331 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4319] Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 12:37 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E F O R R E N T * * * * * URF! Maybe Nagini is Mrs. Voldemort. Now there's a snaky thought.... Little Junior Dark Lords and Ladies running around underfoot. Blechhhh!!! >>>>>Nagini usually take the form of a woman with a snake's head or body, but certainly a hybrid creature. I'm not sure what this means in relation to the Nagini in GoF. Is she just a snake? Is she an animagus? If she protects against evil how does that tie in with Voldemort? <<<<<< From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:44:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4332 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4053] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/15/00 12:44 pm (ET) <<I think the first figures are more accurate-- $250 spending money for a whole school term does not sound very outrageous to me. And $172 for a magic wand that will be used for a lifetime-- that sounds about right. >> I agree. Also, with the larger exchange rate, Harry would have spent $16.30 on candy. If he bought a little of everything, that doesn't sound too off the wall, especially for a kid who hasn't had any spending money before. Anyone remember "Big," where Tom Hanks got his first paycheck. I don't remember the amount, but it was in the neighborhood of $200. To the guy next to him (who was thinking of an "adult" budget), it seemed like a ripoff. But to a kid (about Harry's age), it could buy the world. He could (and did) buy all the junk food he wanted. Just my two (or ten) cents. Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:45:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4333 From: Danemead Subject: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 12:45 pm (ET) I wonder that Harry (or Hermione, more likely) has never attempted to research his family history. I could picture him going through the back issues of the Daily Prophet to read about the day he became an orphan. And with such an emphasis on purity of bloodline in the wizarding community, surely there must be a DeBrett's for Wizards, were you can look up everyone's family history all the way back to King Ethelred the Unready, or whatever. What is Lily and Petunia's maiden name? Were they children of Muggles, or was there some wizard blood in their family prior to the appearance of Lily (after all, Petunia says in Book 1 that her parents were PROUD of Lily being a witch). I realize this lack of info on Harry's ancestors is probably part of the 7-book plot, but it's curious to me that they've never tried to look it up. Perhaps it would be intriguing for Hermione to ATTEMPT a little research and discover that she couldn't find a thing. Hmmmm. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 16:59:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4334 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4333] Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 12:59 pm (ET) Spoilers ahead - so S P O I L E R S P A C E A S A L W A Y S ! Hope thats enough! Harry already knows that the Daily Prophet is wrong about almost everything - look at his treatment by Rita Skeeter - who we can presume was writing at the time of his parents death as she was at the "trials" in GoF. He also knows that they have misrepresented the truth - regarding Sirius - and several other occasions - so why would he look to the Daily Prophet for answers? He would be more likely to ask Sirius, or Dumbledore - as of course the Dusleys will not discuss such a thing... From timjlittle at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 17:48:00 2000 From: timjlittle at yahoo.com (timjlittle) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4335 From: timjlittle Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4333] Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 1:48 pm (ET) Do you think Harry is related to Voldemort? From patlwebb at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 17:52:00 2000 From: patlwebb at yahoo.com (patlwebb) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4336 From: patlwebb Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4335] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 1:52 pm (ET) Hmmm,that reminds me of "Starwars". With the evil Darth Vader turning out to be Luke's father. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 18:11:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4337 From: sigma94 Subject: Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Reply To: [Yahoo! #4310] Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/15/00 2:11 pm (ET) S PO I L E R S P A C E Did anyone else notice the similarities between the veela (which I was bit shocked was in the book) and the mythical sirens? Sirens songs have been known to drive men MAD and so did the veela!! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 18:56:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:56:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4338 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Reply To: [Yahoo! #4337] Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/15/00 2:56 pm (ET) this is a pretty pathetic excuse for a spoil since it is entirely about the so-called 'real' world! s p o i l e r s p a c e > Did anyone else notice the similarities between the veela (which I was bit shocked was in the book) and the mythical sirens? Sirens songs have been known to drive men MAD and so did the veela!! The veela (which I am used to seeing spelled VILA) are a real piece of Slavic folklore -- they are sometimes translated 'wood nymphs' - they live in the woods and especially at night try to seduce men to join in their dance or have sex. Possibly the mildest of possible bad results of yielding to their seductions is that the beautiful girl VANISHES in the middle of a passionate kiss. However, at certain times of year such as Harvest, people make offerings to the 'nymphs' to bring fertility to their crops and prevent blights. Elizabeth Barber, in WOMEN'S WORK: THE FIRST TWENTY THOUSAND YEARS (a history of fiber arts), explains how the bride's dance at a Bulgarian wedding is an imitation of the vila dance in order to bring fertility to her marriage. They are similar to 'water nymphs' (called nereids in Greece, rusalki in IIRC Bulgaria) who live under water and try to seduce men (or in some stories, young children) by their beautiful singing, and when they catch the man they kiss him passionately (or when they catch the child, they kiss it affectionately) and use the kiss to pull the victim under water to drown. One of the similarities is that both kinds of nymphs can turn into swans and fly away, but they do so by wearing swan skins, so if you find one in human form and steal her swan skin, she can't escape you. Thus, many stories of the young man marrying the swan girl, until she gets a hold of her swan skin and abandons him and their children. This gave rise to plots of ballets like SWAN LAKE, and is very similar to Irish stories about silkies, except for the silkie woman it's her seal skin. Supposedly the structure of the myth is that both kinds of nymphs are young women who died before marriage and/or childbearing and therefore still have unused powers of fertility that they can bestow on mortals. I have trouble understanding how, if they're dead, they can be alive and have children just because some stole their swanskin. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 18:59:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: Hello Everyone! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4339 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4324] Hello Everyone! Date: 7/15/00 2:59 pm (ET) Hi. There is an on-line chat time listed on this Yahoo Club's calendar (which can be accessed from the home page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypotterforgrownups From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:14:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4340 From: joywitch999 Subject: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 3:14 pm (ET) Most of the magical beings in the HP books seem to be creatures who already exist in mythology -- unicorns, goblins, giants, hags, boggarts, ghosts, veelas (as Catlady has just explained), poltergeists, centaurs, trolls, ogres, etc. Some, especially the magical creatures from Hagrids classes, seem to have been made up by JKR -- hippogriffs, flobberworms, skerts (sic?), also dementors, etc. But didnt JKR say right before GoF came out that GoF would introduce beings that she had made up, whereas the first 3 books had only already-invented mythical creatures? Which are the new beings in GoF that JKR has invented? Are some of the earlier beings (such as dementors or hippogriffs) actually lesser-known mythological beings, or are they JKRs creations? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4341 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4326] Re: Wizards and Witches Date: 7/15/00 3:15 pm (ET) > This is my understanding, with a bit of questioning as well. I have always been under the impression that there is a Witch and a Warlock (the same thing, but different gender) and a Wizard and a Sorceress (same thing, different gender) So I am a tad confused that Rowling uses the terms Witch and Wizard, when I have always believed them to be two separate titles. Apparently for JKR and her universe, the difference between witch and wizard is simply gender. I went on at length about this in msg #4315 in this archive, which you can access by clicking Messages on the club home page and going back Prev 40 enough times. I know that authors like to pair Wizard with Sorceress or Enchantress, but there really is such a word as Wizardess and there really are such words as Sorceror and Enchantor, so the genders can have parallel terms. This of course is in English, which is believed to have the most words of any language because of the words 'borrowed' from other languages (I think it was L. Sprague deCamp who said that English is 'the result of Norman men-at-arms trying to make dates with Saxon barmaids, and no more legitimate than any of the other results', which is good for us because if English had been taught in school, it would have kept all the loathsome declension stuff from Saxon). Enchantor is from Latin, from 'cant-' meaning 'to sing', Sorceror is from French, I believe sorcier meaning 'dowser', and wizard is from Saxon, wize-ard meaning 'learned man'. Witch is also from Saxon, from a more vulgar strain in the language, so scholars do not all agree on the origin. It could also be from 'wise', it could relate to tying knots (as 'wicker' and 'willow'), it could relate to 'wicked', it could relate to words left over from shamanism. So, people on this list who speak French or German or other languages, do those languages have different words for the male and female magic user? > What is the difference between a witch and a wizard? JKR thinks the difference is gender. Some of the Inquisitors thought the difference was that witches got their magic in exchange for giving their soul to the Devil while wizards (and wizardesses) got their magic by studying the laws of nature from great big books in Latin and Greek. Some historians think the difference is that witches were lower-class herbalists or magic users who sold their magic cheap to peasants, while wizards were upper-class astrologers and alchemists who sold their magic expensively to kings and nobles. Nowdays, the word Witch (capitalized) is a word for people who practise the religion named Wicca, which is a Pagan religion that doesn't even HAVE a Devil. I don't know if there is a modern meaning for the word wizard. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:25:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4342 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4331] Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 3:25 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E s p o i l e r s p a c e >URF! Maybe Nagini is Mrs. Voldemort. Now there's a snaky thought.... Little Junior Dark Lords and Ladies running around underfoot. Blechhhh!!! The images of a giant snake with a woman's head gave rise to a character in THE GOBLIN TOWER by L. Sprague deCamp (probably long out of print, but the adults should read it anyway; it has way too much sex and decapitation for the under-12s's parents) who transforms from a huge but beautiful woman to a giant snake to constrict and consume any hero who tries to steal the magic treasure. The hero of this book, on seeing her in human form (and not knowing about her other form) says: "What a pelvis! She could birth heroes!" and his means of distracting her from guarding the treasure that he is trying to steal is by going to bed with her. When he gets out of her bed and steals the treasure, it doesn't slow her down much that she was wakened from deep sleep, but he escapes by a trick that I won't give away. Then he said to his wise but inept wizard advisor: "Suppose she has my child? With her magic and my muscle, it could be a dangerous enemy" and the wizard comforts him that humans and snake people are not inter fertile. >>>>>Nagini usually take the form of a woman with a snake's head or body, but certainly a hybrid creature. I'm not sure what this means in relation to the Nagini in GoF. Is she just a snake? Is she an animagus? If she protects against evil how does that tie in with Voldemort? <<<<<< I thought Nagini was just a magic giant snake. I never thought of an Animagus until you mentioned it. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:28:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4343 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #4219] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/15/00 3:28 pm (ET) this is a pretty lousy book four spoiler since its really about book one s p o i l e r s p a c e "I know that people have already pointed out that lots of people who had followed Voldemort changed sides once he lost. Many of them were under the Imperius Curse and someone decribed them as 'like coming out of trances'. Lucius Malfoy is known to be one of the people who came back" I would doubt that any of the Death Eater, who are Voldemort's closest supporters, would have been under his control by the Imperius Curse. I would have thought that they would have been there under their free will. Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:31:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4344 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Reply To: [Yahoo! #4338] Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/15/00 3:31 pm (ET) Funny how many myths there are about female beings who lure men with their sexy ways and then kill them. Presumably these myths were all written by men. The Veela can't be all bad, if Fluer is part one. I'm thinking of writing a fan-fic in which Ron wanders into a forest of Veela, and discovers that they are just misunderstood, like werewolves and half-giants... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:31:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4345 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4334] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 3:31 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E A S A L W A Y S ! > Harry already knows that the Daily Prophet is wrong about almost everything. They were right about the date of the break-in at Gringott's Bank in Book 1. > so why would he look to the Daily Prophet for answers? He would be more likely to ask Sirius, or Dumbledore - as of course the Dusleys will not discuss such a thing... I think Harry would be embarrassed to ask Sirius or Dumbledore very much about his parents. Just his personality... In Book 1, Hermione tells Harry that's she heard of him, and lists a couple of books that she's read that mentioned him, IIRC MAGIC IN OUR TIMES, and Harry changed the subject instead of asking what they said about him. I think he's so bothered by being a celebrity that he tries to shove it out of his mind instead of researching it. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4346 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4335] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 3:33 pm (ET) > Do you think Harry is related to Voldemort? I don't think so, but Tom Riddle Jr's mother the witch could have been a Potter or her mother could have been a Potter. Like sister of Harry's great-grandfather. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:36:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4347 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4340] mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 3:36 pm (ET) Hippogriffs are actually from Greek mythology; they are supposed to be the offspring of a horse and a griffin. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:37:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4348 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4340] mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 3:37 pm (ET) > Some, especially the magical creatures from Hagrids classes, seem to have been made up by JKR -- hippogriffs, flobberworms, skerts (sic?), also dementors, etc. Hippogriffs are real mythology. I think they are used in heraldry, and a hippogriff appears in a deCamp-Pratt book parodying Orlando Furisos, IIRC THE INCOMPLEAT ENCHANTER. I've never heard of dementors anywhere but JKR. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: Quiddich/Gender Bias Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4349 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Reply To: [Yahoo! #4344] Re: Quiddich/Gender Bias Date: 7/15/00 3:44 pm (ET) > Funny how many myths there are about female beings who lure men with their sexy ways and then kill them. Presumably these myths were all written by men. I had always thought those myths were written by mothers or wives who didn't want their sons or husbands cheating on them. Altho' they may have been written by women as a form of wish-fulfillment: vengeance on the boyfriend who left her for someone prettier. > The Veela can't be all bad, if Fleur is part one. I *said* they Veela aren't all bad. They bring fertility to the crops of people who are polite to them, and they make submissive wives and excellent housekeepers as long as they can't get ahold of their swan skin. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 19:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4350 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4342] Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 3:46 pm (ET) > I never thought of an Animagus until you mentioned it. Btw, have I asked this list yet, what is the big deal about being an Animagus, if sixth-year Tranfiguration is sufficient to turn a person into an animal? (such as Dudley into a pig: Hagrid hadn't had sixth-year classes and his wand is broken) From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:00:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:00:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4351 From: echomyst Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4347] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 4:00 pm (ET) Am I the only one who's wondering why the symbol for Gryffindor isn't a griffin, but a lion? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:12:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:12:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4352 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4351] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 4:12 pm (ET) > Am I the only one who's wondering why the symbol for Gryffindor isn't a griffin, but a lion? I wondered until I learned that the symbol for Ravenclaw is an eagle not a raven. A griffin/gryphon (the name comes from a Greek word meaning 'snatcher') has the back half of a lion and the front half of an eagle. I am not sure of the name of the author (Adrienne Mayor? - recent book about Ancient Greek encounters with fossils) who said the Greeks learned about griffins from the Scythians and the Scythians learned about griffins from the Gobi Desert Altai people (who also told the Chinese about griffins). The Gobi Desert Altai people traded gold to the Scythians and told the Scythians that the gold was guarded by savage griffins who would devour anyone who came near the gold unless they were lulled by secret spells. The griffins laid their eggs in nests safely on the sides of cliffs, sat on their eggs like birds, and fed bloody prey like sheep to their young-uns. But the Gobi Desert Altai people did NOT tell the Scythians that all the griffins they had ever seen were so long dead that they were just bones -- Oviraptor dinosaur bones in nests eroding out of the Red Mountains of Mongolia. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:34:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:34:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4353 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4346] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 4:34 pm (ET) > Do you think Harry is related to Voldemort? << I don't think so, but Tom Riddle Jr's mother the witch could have been a Potter or her mother could have been a Potter. Like sister of Harry's great-grandfather. >> It would have to be the side of Tom's maternal side which isn't a direct line Slytherin descendent because Dumbledore already said that Voldemort was the last in the slytherin line (unless he had (or HAS) a child, of course....) From mecky1123 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:43:00 2000 From: mecky1123 at yahoo.com (mecky1123) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 Subject: Go to my Harry Potter page :o) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4354 From: mecky1123 Subject: Go to my Harry Potter page :o) Date: 7/15/00 4:43 pm (ET) Visit my page please !! :o) http://meckysharrypotterpage.homestead.com/ From timjlittle at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:44:00 2000 From: timjlittle at yahoo.com (timjlittle) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4355 From: timjlittle Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4346] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 4:44 pm (ET) <<I don't think so, but Tom Riddle Jr's mother the witch could have been a Potter or her mother could have been a Potter. Like sister of Harry's great-grandfather. >> Since Voldemort is Tom Marvolo Riddle (CoS ch17) that would make them related and Harry could also be the heir of Slytherin. The hat thought he belonged there, and he is a parselmouth. Dumbledore doesn't actual say Harry isn't the heir, just that he truly belongs in Gryffindor. He avoids the question (Cos ch 18 p245 UK). Or maybe I'm reading to much into it. I just can't help thinking that the reason that Voldemort is so eager to kill James and Harry is that they are also heirs. Do we know for sure which house James Potter was in? From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 20:54:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4356 From: echomyst Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4352] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 4:54 pm (ET) Thanks for the info! A quick search through cyberspace also tells me that griffin/gryphon is also sometimes spelled griffon... Anyway, I've just found a nice site about griffins, in case anyone cares to look at it: www.enteract.com/~tirya/gryphon.html Emily From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 21:29:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:29:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4357 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4355] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 5:29 pm (ET) What if Harry had the blood of ALL FOUR founders of Hogwarts. It's possible that he and Riddle/Voldemort may be the only living descendents of ALL of them. That would be interesting. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 22:10:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4358 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4282] Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/15/00 6:10 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e > The cup was at the centre of a maze and likely > to be touched only by Harry Potter at around a > certain time. Just about anything else that was > turned into a portkey would be: > (A) likely to be touched by someone else > (B) unlikely to be touched within a window of > time The irony there, is how close Cedric came to being the first and only one to touch it. I've wondered what would have happened if Cedric (or Krum or Fleur) had shown up in the graveyard without Harry. "Gotcha now, Har--! Hey, who are you?" I mean, did they have a plan B? Melanie From ravenrat at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 23:12:00 2000 From: ravenrat at yahoo.com (ravenrat) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4359 From: ravenrat Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4348] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 7:12 pm (ET) >>>I've never heard of dementors anywhere but JKR. Dementors reminded me of Neil Gaiman's Velvets which appeared in his "Neverwhere". They have a similar kiss (won't spoil it, if you haven't read the book). Anyone know if the Kiss of Death turns up elsewhere? Mythology isn't my strong point. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 23:21:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:21:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4360 From: davehoz Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4351] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 7:21 pm (ET) For some reason, the Hogwarts Four seemed to have stuck with Muggle animals for their House mascots... From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 15 23:32:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4361 From: davehoz Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4340] mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 7:32 pm (ET) Maybe JKR just isn't as good at coming up with her own original creatures as were Lewis Carroll with his Jabberwocks and Boojums, Roald Dahl with his Vermicious Knids, or L. Frank Baum with his Hammerheads, Mist Maidens, Woozy (sort of a fleshed-out cubist painting) and Li-mon-eags (heads of lions, bodies of monkeys, and wings of eagles)... From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 00:06:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:06:00 -0400 Subject: A Concern Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4362 From: echomyst Subject: Re: A Concern Reply To: [Yahoo! #4184] Re: A Concern Date: 7/15/00 8:06 pm (ET) I think this discussion's finished already, but just thought of something... * * * S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * >>>"For a fleeting instance, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes." I took this to mean that Dumbledore was triumphant about the fact that Lily's sacrifice did protect Harry.>>> I've given this "look of triumph" thing some thought, and I'm thinking it might mean that Dumbledore at first thought that Harry's blood might've poisioned Voldemort instead of strengthening him...or, as my little bro said, maybe Dumbledore thought that Harry's blood might dilute Voldemort's evilness, as Harry & Voldemort are now "blood brothers". Do these theories sound plausible? Emily From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 00:23:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:23:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4363 From: echomyst Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4359] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 8:23 pm (ET) >>>Anyone know if the Kiss of Death turns up elsewhere?>>> Sounds like something to do with vampires! From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 00:40:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4364 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4363] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 8:40 pm (ET) there are creatures in irish myth which can suck the soul from the body with a kiss, and in tonights "Dark Knight" they had a creature who also sucked out the soul and when I saw them I thought dementors! They were called shades. From batgrl33 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 00:42:00 2000 From: batgrl33 at yahoo.com (batgrl33) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:42:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4365 From: batgrl33 Subject: Re: Harry's Family Date: 7/15/00 8:42 pm (ET) "I realize this lack of info on Harry's ancestors is probably part of the 7-book plot, but it's curious to me that they've never tried to look it up." I was wondering about this too - we know something about the Dursleys, and we could assume that Lily Potter's parents are dead (just because they never show up) - but have we ever heard anything about James Potter's family? I think it was mentioned that he came from an old wizarding family? But apparently no close relatives or they would have come forward to help Harry - or so you'd think. Of course there is always the chance that there is the odd distant relative out there that Dumbledore and co. have no idea about! Great idea (forget who put it forward) about Harry's possibly being related to Voldemort - that'd be an interesting plot twist! Batgirl From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:05:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4366 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: Religion in Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #3849] Re: Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/15/00 9:05 pm (ET) everyone sings carols at christmas in England its tradition. Most schools have carol services its fun. Religion is part of school life and broadly christian with regional variations.we also have two weeks off school at easter called the easter holidays. these festivals are now mainly secular and everyone enjoys them in their own way. I think jk rowling is using them in this way and is making no religious statements at all. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:16:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: Harry in the new Entertainment Weekly Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4367 From: heiditandy Subject: Harry in the new Entertainment Weekly Date: 7/15/00 9:16 pm (ET) In the July 21, 2000 issue of Entertainment Weekly here in the US, there's a 7 page spread on the new Harry Potter book, including an interview with Jo herself (she says good things about Chris Columbus, the movie script & that she wants to see them play Quidditch), and a little FAQ which answers the questions "What are the deadliest spells in teh wizard world", "how do wizards get their mail" and, of course, "who's fluffy?" They also review the book (I'm not counting the review in the 7 pages) and they thankfully give it a plesant A-! From shari23518 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:31:00 2000 From: shari23518 at yahoo.com (shari23518) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4368 From: shari23518 Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4333] Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 9:31 pm (ET) I often wondered why Harry didn't research his parents in the first book... He is new to the wizarding world and learning so much about his new future. He asks Hagrid questions about his parents, so I would have thought that with that wonderful library, he would have found something out. I'm sure we'll learn more about his parents; j.k. must have plans... just as any good writer does... she must keep us coming back for more!!! From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:43:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4369 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4355] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/15/00 9:43 pm (ET) I can't remember exactly, but I could swear that the phrase "Voldemort is the only heir of Slytherin left" was in there some place... From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:45:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:45:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4370 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4350] Re: Book 4 character info.... SPOILER Date: 7/15/00 9:45 pm (ET) But how close did Hagrid do? He only added a tail that could be removed by muggle surgery. From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 01:53:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:53:00 -0400 Subject: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4371 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4340] mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 9:53 pm (ET) S p o i l e r s p a c e GoF > Which are the new beings in GoF that JKR has invented? I'd have to say that the Blast Ended Skrewts had to be, since Hagrid created them by cross breeding manticores and fire crabs. The Nifflers also seemed like new creatures -- watch Gred and Feorge buy one for Ron as a pet when their joke shop takes off! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:07:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4372 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4358] Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/15/00 10:07 pm (ET) This is gibberish typing in order to be a s p o i l e r s p a c e s p o i l e s p a c e > The irony there, is how close Cedric came to being the first and only one to touch it. I've wondered what would have happened if Cedric (or Krum or Fleur) had shown up in the graveyard without Harry. (snip) I mean, did they have a plan B? No plan, B, just counting on Croody/Mouch to do in the other competitors. He succeeded in stunning Fleur and he would have knocked out Cedric with Viktor's Cruiciatus curse if Harry hadn't gone through the wall (hedge) in order to rescue him. It seems that Voldemort still has not learned from experience that some people will sacrifice their own interests to help other people -- which is strange considering that he takes it for granted that his followers will be as loyal to him as House Elfs and sacrifice all their own interests to him! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:12:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4373 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4363] Re: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 10:12 pm (ET) >>>Anyone know if the Kiss of Death turns up elsewhere?>>> >>Sounds like something to do with vampires!>> The unique characteristic of Dementors is not the Kiss that consumes their victim's soul, but that just being present they drain all the happiness from a people. They are, as JKR stated, a personification of clinical depression. The only real life (tm) creature I can think of who drains the happiness from other people is a Psychic Vampire. (You were close, Simon!) However, 1) a Psychic Vampire is a living human being who may not be conscious of his/her vampirism, rather than an other-species monster, and 2) Psychic Vampires are found in real life (tm) but not in folklore that I've ever noticed. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4374 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Religion in Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4366] Re: Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/15/00 10:15 pm (ET) > Everyone sings carols at christmas in England its tradition. Most schools have carol services its fun. Religion is part of school life and broadly christian with regional variations. Do the boarding schools in England nowdays have Sunday church services? In my *old* books they do, so I wondered why Hogwart's didn't. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:17:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4375 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4373] Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 10:17 pm (ET) > (You were close, Simon!) Oops. I meant Echomyst. From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:20:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4376 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4375] Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Date: 7/15/00 10:20 pm (ET) >>>(You were close, Simon!) >>>Oops. I meant Echomyst. No prob <g> Who's Simon? (I mean his yahoo ID) Emily =) From eko03155 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:21:00 2000 From: eko03155 at yahoo.com (eko03155) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: Riddle family-spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4377 From: eko03155 Subject: Riddle family-spoiler Date: 7/15/00 10:21 pm (ET) I have been at camp for the past week, and there are way too many messages for me to read, so I'll ask this now before I forget. Forgive me if I'm repeating something. I don't understand the thing about the Riddle family at the very beginning. They find all three Riddles dead. Great. But, I don't get it. Did Tom kill himself and somehow leave his body to become Voldemort? In book 2, it says that Tom lived in a Muggle orphanage when not at Hogwarts because his parents died right after he was born. In book 4, it says that Tom was a grown-up son and he and his parents were found dead. I read it really fast, so I may have just missed something, so if anyone has an explanation, I would appreciate it greatly. ~*Erin From greysmommy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:45:00 2000 From: greysmommy at yahoo.com (greysmommy) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Dumbledore in Book #4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4378 From: greysmommy Subject: Question about Dumbledore in Book #4 Date: 7/15/00 10:45 pm (ET) First of all, plz. don't read this message if you haven't finished book #4. I don't want to spoil anything. :) Everyone else... Could Dumbledore be in cahoots with Voldemort? In the end of #4, Harry is almost sure he sees a "smile of triumph" on Dumbledore's face when Harry says that the protection he got from his mom was passed on to Voldemort. Or do you suppose she's just trying to mislead? From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:52:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: Question about Dumbledore in Book #4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4379 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Question about Dumbledore in Book #4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4378] Question about Dumbledore in Book #4 Date: 7/15/00 10:52 pm (ET) Please read msg 4362, Re:A Concern, and tell me what you think! Thanks Emily =) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 02:55:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4380 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/15/00 10:55 pm (ET) Okay, way back in Book 1, we learn of several dragon products that are for sale in Diagon Alley: wands with a dragon heartstring as their magic ingredient, dragonskin gloves, dragon liver at IIRC 17 Sickles the ounce. We also learn that it is illegal to keep dragons in 'captivity' in Britain. So all these dead dragon body parts that are for sale, did they come from hunting wild dragons in parts of Britain that still have wild dragons, which raises dangers of extinction, or are they imported from overseas? From hunting wild dragons overseas or from factory-farmed dragons overseas? From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 03:03:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:03:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4381 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4380] Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/15/00 11:03 pm (ET) Does this call for speculation? If so, I *guess* there's smuggling involved, as well as importing dragon parts from overseas. Why is dragon-farming illegal anyway? Because dragons are too dangerous? That doesn't really make sense, because whoever's able to raise dragons in captivity should be capable to handling them (or perhaps they need to be licensed first?--but then again, I think I'm beginning to think like a Muggle again!) Smile always, Emily From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 03:07:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4382 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4381] Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/15/00 11:07 pm (ET) Maybe its because Britain is so small - and a lot of Dragons in one place - a farm, would make muggles wary - remember - this all has to be kept from the muggles!!! Maybe they farm Dragons in very wide open places - like the USA and parts of Africa and Russia, so as to allay (sp?) suspicions! Or maybe not - its late!! Just a guess anyway! From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 03:42:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4383 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4381] Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/15/00 11:42 pm (ET) Since Charlie Weasley works with dragons, and none of the Weasleys seem ashamed to say so, I would say that there must be some kind of dragon ranches or breeding establishments to obtain legal dragon parts. Even Dumbledore is famous for discovering the 12 uses of dragon blood, and...... S P O I L E R S P A C E Since the first task of the Triwizard Tournament (a Ministry of Magic-sanctioned event) includes the temporary loan of four dragons, we may assume that they are not forbidden in Britain, just not allowed to be kept as private pets. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 03:44:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: Riddle family-spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4384 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Riddle family-spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4377] Riddle family-spoiler Date: 7/15/00 11:44 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E A N D M O R E S P A C E The Tom Riddle that was found dead with his parents was the father of Tom Marvolo Riddle (the future Lord Voldemort). Both father and son had the same name. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 03:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:57:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4385 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4383] Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/15/00 11:57 pm (ET) > Since Charlie Weasley works with dragons, and none of the Weasleys eem ashamed to say so, I would say that there must be some kind of dragon ranches or breeding establishments to obtain legal dragon parts. Charlie Weasley works with dragons in *Rumania*, which is overseas altho' not the 'wide open spaces' that A. Rawa suggested (a suggestion that I love!). I don't know if they are wild or 'captive' dragons -- I assume there aren't any 'domesticated' dragons -- I wonder why Rumania? And IIRC Quirrell went to *Albania* for field work in evil monsters: why Albania? From Orrianne at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 04:59:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:59:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4386 From: Orrianne Subject: A few comments.... Date: 7/16/00 12:59 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e Names: I think that Rowlings has some fun pulling references with names from other places. I know that Nagini, for example, is pulled as a reference from a real life legend from India. I also noticed the name of Hermione's cat, Crookshanks. There is a T. S. Elliot cat, Skimbleshanks, who is the cat of the postal express train. He has his own song in the Andrew Lloyd Webber "Cats" as well. I don't know the whole song, but I immediately thought of Skimbleshanks when we met Crookshanks. I know some other people have pointed out to me little references from some names used in the books, and I think that Rowlings is just using a sly sense of humor with these references. Now, as far as Voldemort/Tom Riddle goes... It seems to me that the rich Riddle family were muggles. There was Mr. Tom Riddle Sr, Mrs. Riddle, and the son, Tom Riddle. Either the elder Riddle or his son had an affair with a witch in the village, and that affair led to the birth of Voldemort. I guess that his Mother gave him the name Tom after his Father. Eventually, Tom Riddle/Voldemort returned and killed the Riddle family as revenge for being abandoned. It's pretty simple, I think, Voldemort was a bastard child and never got over it. Eventually, he went and got revenge on the muggle man who had abandoned him and his Mother. Since Voldemort stayed in an orphanage when not at school, I believe that his Mother must have died when he was very young. Perhaps Voldemort blamed the death of his witch Mother on his muggle father - and we just don't know the full story there as of yet. Barty Crouch was also fond of his Mother, who died in jail for him, and he saw Voldemort loved him "Like a son. Like more than a son." The orphan/abandoned theme runs pretty strong through these books for both Voldemort and Harry, and other characters like Crouch and Neville as well. Someone mentioned that recently Rowlings gave away another hint about her books - that the fact that Harry has Lily's eyes is very important to the story. I'm curious to know why that'll be so important later, but it's obvious that something about Lily has not fully been explained, and I bet it's pretty complicated. Whether it's about Lily's muggle family history, Snape's feelings for Lily, why Lily's final spell protects Harry in his skin and blood and how it'll affect Voldemort, or why Lily came out of the wand last rather than James - I don't know. Maybe all of the above or none of the above, but I think there's a lot about Lily we don't know as of yet. What I found odd was that Harry /knew/ James was going to be coming out of the wand first. I agree that we hear James's voice telling Lily to run and protect Harry, and that all clues we have indicate that James was killed before Lily was... but the order coming out of the wand /clearly/ shows that the spell cast to kill James was prior to Lily's - Lily died first, and then James. I don't know if this was a mistake, or not, but we'll find out I'm sure! I am also concerned about why Fudge started smiling when confronted by Dumbledore. I know that many of the Ministry members are obviously pretty worthless, and some have been Voldemort followers. I hope that Fudge isn't secretly on Voldemort's side. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 05:00:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: Miscellaneous babblings (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4387 From: jenP_97 Subject: Miscellaneous babblings (no spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4385] Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/16/00 1:00 am (ET) >>And IIRC Quirrell went to *Albania* for field work in evil monsters: why Albania? << Call me crazy, but every time I hear the name Albania, I think of Coach's song on one of the old _Cheers_ episodes: "Albaniaaaaa, Albaniaaaaa... you border on the Adriatic..." hehehe. Another thing. Let me just say that I've had to take 4 days to catch up with everyone. And it hasn't helped signing on to "harrypotteranonymous". I think that I'm just going to unsubscribe there (being as I'm not emotionally vested in anything going on there yet) and rely on everyone HERE to keep me up-to-date. ;) Side note: Neil, your little fic back there was gut-wrenchingly funny. Ahh, Lucius - don't you know that you should stretch before meetings? Um.... I'm just so glad I'm all caught up that I can't remember what the other thing I was going to say is - so it must not have been that important. Hope everyone's having a great read/re-read/re-re-read. ;) Jen From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 05:35:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:35:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter and the Fallen Iron Curtain Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4388 From: davehoz Subject: Harry Potter and the Fallen Iron Curtain Reply To: [Yahoo! #4387] Miscellaneous babblings (no spoilers) Date: 7/16/00 1:35 am (ET) Jen wrote: >Call me crazy, but every time I hear the name >Albania, I think of Coach's song on one of the >old _Cheers_ episodes: "Albaniaaaaa, >Albaniaaaaa... you border on the Adriatic..." hehehe. Here are some of the weird associations I have for the East European Countries that crop up in the Books: Bulgaria: The haunting "Bulgarian Shepherdess Song" used in Carl Sagan's _Cosmos_. (Is this typical Bulgarian music?) ... Also jokes on _Red Dwarf_ about the Bulgarian Washing Machine Company. Albania: Baron Nopsca, the (gay) Albanian Dinosaurologist who first proposed that the armored dinosaurs (Stegosaurs, Ankylosaurs, Norweigan Ridgebacks) form a natural group. Romania: The homeland of my High School French teacher (Logically!) ... Also cited by Ted Baxter as the capital of Italy. Hungary: Home of the superstar-chess-player Polgar sisters -- Judit, Zsuzsa, and Zsofia, the Angelina, Katie, and Alicia of chess! (Could Ron beat them, I keep asking myself...?) From schlaggen at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 06:29:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:29:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4389 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: A few comments.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4386] A few comments.... Date: 7/16/00 2:29 am (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e <<Now, as far as Voldemort/Tom Riddle goes...>> <<It seems to me that the rich Riddle family were muggles. There was Mr. Tom Riddle Sr, Mrs. Riddle, and the son, Tom Riddle. Either the elder Riddle or his son had an affair with a witch in the village, and that affair led to the birth of Voldemort. I guess that his Mother gave him the name Tom after his Father.>> The elder riddle was na,ed Malavoy, and his son was named Tom. Voldy was named Tom Malavoy after the both of them. <<Eventually, Tom Riddle/Voldemort returned and killed the Riddle family as revenge for being abandoned. It's pretty simple, I think, Voldemort was a bastard child and never got over it. Eventually, he went and got revenge on the muggle man who had abandoned him and his Mother. Since Voldemort stayed in an orphanage when not at school, I believe that his Mother must have died when he was very young. Perhaps Voldemort blamed the death of his witch Mother on his muggle father - and we just don't know the full story there as of yet.>> Reread COS, especially "The Heir of Slytherin" <<I am also concerned about why Fudge started smiling when confronted by Dumbledore. I know that many of the Ministry members are obviously pretty worthless, and some have been Voldemort followers. I hope that Fudge isn't secretly on Voldemort's side.>> Nah, he was just too stupid and pompous to see it as anything but a dumb joke. Hagrid was right way back in Whatzit Stone when he called him a bungler. Anyways, if he was really on Voldy's side, he could have done Harry in at the beginning of Azkaban and then sadly announced that they were too late to save Harry from black. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 09:10:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 05:10:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4390 From: babynick34 Subject: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/16/00 5:10 am (ET) Hi all Just to let you know... J.K.Rowling is featured in todays Mail On Sunday (UK newspaper). There is an article about her having a stalker... or two. A review of GoF. And the Up With, Down With section - I finally decided to write the up with part, though agreeing fully with what was written in the downwith part. So... as the Mail On Sunday don't have a web archive, if you are in the UK - you will need to get hold of a copy of the paper. Or do you want me to post a summary of the articles? Nick. From u24me_51555 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 12:36:00 2000 From: u24me_51555 at yahoo.com (u24me_51555) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:36:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4391 From: u24me_51555 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #4390] Mail on Sunday Date: 7/16/00 8:36 am (ET) Nick - I for one would love if you would post the articles you mentioned. Sounds quite interesting. Thanks bunches, Debby From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 13:33:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:33:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4392 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #4391] Re: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/16/00 9:33 am (ET) UP With - Down With J.K. Rowling ================================= (c)The Mail On Sunday - 16th July 2000 Up With ------- When I was a child I hated reading. Even last year, if you had asked me whether I read books, I would have said: 'No'. But now things have changed. One day, I was helping a child with their school reading book and I discovered I really liked the story. The author was, of course, J.K. Rowling. She has revolutionised reading, not just in the UK but around the world. Children and adults, many of whom would never usually read fiction, are enjoying the magical adventures of Harry, Hermione and Ron. But why? It is because the books are easy to read, fun and they make your imagination work overtime. Because of J.K. Rowling, reading is now something a lot of adults and children are doing for pleasure. Nick Mitchell Lightwater, Surrey Down With --------- Reading the Harry Potter books is inspiring. If only J.K. Rowling herself was. Why does she shum the public that loves her? At her recent Press conference, promoting her new book, she ducked out of the way when anyone approached her. Every opportunity to smile was exchanged for a grimace. You would think meeting the public was a death sentence. She has made millions from her books and is now one of Britain's richest women. So she should be thanking her readers, not avoiding them. Obviously, her enthusiasm is limited to writing. Chear up, Rowling. We don't expect you to be humble. But a smile wouldn't hurt. Shifa Rahman Chelsea, London --- END --- From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 15:00:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:00:00 -0400 Subject: Finally... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4393 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Finally... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4328] Re: Finally... Date: 7/16/00 11:00 am (ET) Hi Neil, I think you're right about the Canadian and UK versions being the same - I haven't noticed anywhere that they might have changed any words to make it "easier" for us North Americans to understand. When I read the books to my nephew I'm always explaining the differences to him (like what a jumper is). Sheryll From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 15:56:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo article quotes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4394 From: Danemead Subject: Yahoo article quotes Date: 7/16/00 11:56 am (ET) There's another article on JKR in Yahoo online entertainment news this morning. There are two quotes that are worth posting: "Rowling... wrote the final chapter of her seventh and final Potter saga many years ago." [so at least we know that if catastrophe strikes our beloved JKR, she has left the answer to all our questions behind] ALSO "She has never made herself laugh writing the riotous books ''but I have made myself cry.'' Without giving away the plot, she suggested her devoted readers turn to page 579." AACK! I'll bet she means page 579 of the British version. Dear cousins across the water, please tell me what scene is on Page 579. In the USA version it is the scene where Harry is guessing the passwords to get into Dumbledore's office, which is obviously not a tear-inducing scene. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4395 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Test Date: 7/16/00 1:24 pm (ET) Test message. Sorry if this works - Yahoo is driving me mad today! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:31:00 -0400 Subject: Test Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4396 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Test Date: 7/16/00 1:31 pm (ET) Another test From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:34:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo article quotes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4397 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Yahoo article quotes Reply To: [Yahoo! #4394] Yahoo article quotes Date: 7/16/00 1:34 pm (ET) <<Dear cousins across the water, please tell me what scene is on Page 579.>> m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m It's the scene where Voldemort's wand regurgitates the ghosts of its last victims. The line where Cedric asks Harry to take his body back is the one I would choose. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: Can anyone help me? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4398 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Can anyone help me? Date: 7/16/00 1:43 pm (ET) I have some messages I tried to post earlier and because the system would not accept them, I saved them on my computer, so I could do it later. I've been trying, on and off, all day to post them by copying the text into the box, but it flatly refuses to upload them. Anyone else had this problem? It seems okay now when I just type messages directly, but I'm trying to avoid retyping the earlier messages. Sorry about all the 'tests' and off-topic stuff. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4399 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Mythical creatures Date: 7/16/00 1:48 pm (ET) SPOILER p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p pppppppppppppppppppppppppppp I think JKR likes the idea that creatures regarded as mythical in the Muggle world are real beings in the magical world and that the myths arose from occasional sightings by Muggles. This device, and the fact that the Ministry of Magic has to fight to keep the 'other' world a secret, add to the believability. I'm sure JKR is more than capable of making up new names and creatures, but it's great that she weaves in some well-established myths and reflects the commonly-held beliefs in the behaviour of the creatures. I think it was in Book 1 that she tied in the Loch Ness Monster in this way? There are endless possibilities... - could UFOs really be flying cars, carpets and broomsticks artfully disguised with spells, by order of the MoM? - are close encounters with aliens really meetings with House-Elves taking a peek into the Muggle world? - could the Bermuda Triangle be a portal to the magical world, sucking in ships and spitting them out somewhere else (cf. the Durmstrang sailing ship)? - is the Yeti really Hagrid's mother, Fridwulfa, taking a break in the mountains? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 17:55:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:55:00 -0400 Subject: Bk 4 post, replying to ? - (if it works) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4400 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Bk 4 post, replying to ? - (if it works) Date: 7/16/00 1:55 pm (ET) p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p pp ppp p p p p p p p <<Look at his treatment by Rita Skeeter - who we can presume was writing at the time of his parents death as she was at the "trials" in GoF.>> Do you think Rita is (a) a Slytherin contemporary of Lucius Malfoy, James/Lily Potter? She is textbook Slytherin material. (b) a Death Eater? Probably not, but maybe a Voldemort sympathiser? Part of the cheeleading corpse...sorry corps? Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 18:13:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Subject: Kings Cross & Didcot Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4401 From: babynick34 Subject: Kings Cross & Didcot Date: 7/16/00 2:13 pm (ET) Hi all. For those of you who missed Neil's great report from Kings Cross last weekend... I've now uploaded it along with pictures, plus added a piece about Didcot. It's at: www.broomsticks.org/special_report.html Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 18:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:46:00 -0400 Subject: Religion in Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4402 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Religion in Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4374] Re: Religion in Harry Potter Date: 7/16/00 2:46 pm (ET) "Do the boarding schools in England nowdays have Sunday church services? In my *old* books they do, so I wondered why Hogwart's didn't." Many still do but I am not sure if all do. The fact that Hogwarts doesn't could be down to JKR religous beliefs. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 18:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:46:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4403 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #4392] Re: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/16/00 2:46 pm (ET) Well writen Nick. I do agree with some of the comments made by the down with JKR person. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 18:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:46:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4404 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4368] Re: Harry's Family History Date: 7/16/00 2:46 pm (ET) "I often wondered why Harry didn't research his parents in the first book" He had been brought up by the Dursley's not to ask questions and this may still be a problem. Also he is still quite young and I can see this is going to come into the books soon. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 18:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:46:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4405 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4376] Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Date: 7/16/00 2:46 pm (ET) "No prob <g> Who's Simon? (I mean his yahoo ID)" Me - hert0661 The ID is based on my e-mail and university log on, and has rarely been picked by anyone else. Simon From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 19:34:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4406 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Reply To: [Yahoo! #3953] Dumbledore's Look of Triumph Date: 7/16/00 3:34 pm (ET) This supports JKR indicating that Lily will be central to Book 7. I've heard many questions children were asking about Harry's mom that JKR said she wouldn't answer. From MissSelene at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 19:36:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4407 From: MissSelene Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/16/00 3:36 pm (ET) S P O I L E R ? (Better safe than sorry) Where is Krum actually from? He's on the Bulgarian Quidditch team, goes to Durmstrang, which lies somewhere in the cold north and speaks with what I consider a German accent. Did I miss something? Selene From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:05:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:05:00 -0400 Subject: book4 spoiler: mrs figg Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4408 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: book4 spoiler: mrs figg Reply To: [Yahoo! #4275] Re: Who died first, Cedric and spoilers Date: 7/16/00 4:05 pm (ET) d r a c o d o r m i e n s n u n q u a m t i t i l l a n d u s page 74 uk version, Mrs figg mentioned twice. along with references to cat smells etc etc. is this the same 'figg' who is mentioned later on in the book as part of Sirius' task? From polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:13:00 2000 From: polgara_sorceress_the at yahoo.com (polgara_sorceress_the) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: Wizards and Witches Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4409 From: polgara_sorceress_the Subject: Re: Wizards and Witches Reply To: [Yahoo! #4308] Wizards and Witches Date: 7/16/00 4:13 pm (ET) warlock is generally used as a more derogatary term that is used in fiction, they tend to lean more towards the darker side of magic. in real, modern, witchcraft everyone is a witch regardless of gender From rynia_sedai at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:30:00 2000 From: rynia_sedai at yahoo.com (rynia_sedai) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4410 From: rynia_sedai Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4407] Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/16/00 4:30 pm (ET) s p o i l e r r r r r r His accent could also be interpreted as Russian. I was thinking that Durmstrang is somewhere in/near Russia. Bulgaria was part of the Soviet block back in the day, so it would almost seem natural for a young wizard to go to school in the "mother country." ~Jennifer From azn619_k at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:39:00 2000 From: azn619_k at yahoo.com (azn619_k) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4411 From: azn619_k Subject: HARRY Date: 7/16/00 4:39 pm (ET) HATE HARRY POTTER GO HERE http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/antiharrypotterclub From firegal_36 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:41:00 2000 From: firegal_36 at yahoo.com (firegal_36) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: Hey Everyone New Club Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4412 From: firegal_36 Subject: Hey Everyone New Club Date: 7/16/00 4:41 pm (ET) Hey guys check out this rp club it is really good http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thehogwartsinteractiveschool From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 20:50:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:50:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4413 From: echomyst Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 4:50 pm (ET) Does anyone know how many years a phoenix usually lives before their rebirth? Emily From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:35:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: HARRY Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4414 From: davehoz Subject: Re: HARRY Reply To: [Yahoo! #4411] HARRY Date: 7/16/00 5:35 pm (ET) That board is bearable mainly because there are so many expressing their outrage at the hate-mongering and the Harry-bashing. But I'm facinated by the one guy who says he is co-founder of *six* Harry Potter Fan Forums and is now preaching how evil they are. (The turncoats are always the worst ones!) BTW isn't "ANTI HARRY POTTER HATE CLUB" a double-negative? :) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:37:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:37:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4415 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4410] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/16/00 5:37 pm (ET) b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b <<Bulgaria was part of the Soviet block back in the day, so it would almost seem natural for a young wizard to go to school in the "mother country.">> Communist, but not part of the USSR, if that's what you meant. I think Krum is Bulgarian and Durmstrang is in a German-speaking country - Germany, Austria or Switzerland, but possibly an Eastern Bloc country, Like Hungary. Karkaroff sounds more Soviet than German though... Also, note the similarity between Durmstrang and Sturm and Drang (Storm and Stress), the German literary movement. Implies Germany or thereabouts. Neil From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:43:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:43:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4416 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4413] Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 5:43 pm (ET) I believe a phoenix lives for 500 years. Then they die, burn, and a new one is born out of the old one's ashes. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:44:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4417 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4413] Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 5:44 pm (ET) <<Does anyone know how many years a phoenix usually lives before their rebirth?>> Although mythical, about 500-600 years, before they burn themselves to death and rise from the ashes. Neil From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:52:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4418 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4380] Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/16/00 5:52 pm (ET) What about taking from dragon's that either died naturally or were killed for protection? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 21:59:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:59:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4419 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4415] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/16/00 5:59 pm (ET) X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X Maybe Durmstrang is in Siberia. It's certainly cold enough to justify fur capes as part of the uniform. And Siberia is big enough and remote enough to hide all sorts of interesting things. (Maybe the Tunguska explosion of 1918 wasn't an asteroid or a piece of antimatter, after all, but something perpetrated by Gilderoy Lockhart's great-uncle, LOL!) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 22:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4420 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4415] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/16/00 6:02 pm (ET) flying_ford_anglia said: b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b <<Bulgaria was part of the Soviet block back in the day, so it would almost seem natural for a young wizard to go to school in the "mother country.">> Communist, but not part of the USSR, if that's what you meant. I think Krum is Bulgarian and Durmstrang is in a German-speaking country - Germany, Austria or Switzerland, but possibly an Eastern Bloc country, Like Hungary. Karkaroff sounds more Soviet than German though... Also, note the similarity between Durmstrang and Sturm and Drang (Storm and Stress), the German literary movement. Implies Germany or thereabouts. Neil and Catlady replied: I've just joined in the discussion of this question on http://www.egroups.com/messages/gobletoffire where there is a person from Norway who explained firmly that nowhere in Germany is far enough north for the coldness and shortness of days described at Durmstrang. She said it could be middle Norway. I asked: would Kaliningrad (formerly Koenigberg of Germany) or Latvia (once inhabited by many Germans) be far enough north to suit the description in the book? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 22:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4421 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4416] Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 6:06 pm (ET) > I believe a phoenix lives for 500 years. Then they die, burn, and a new one is born out of the old one's ashes. The Greeks named that bird a phoenix (based, like Phoenicia, on their word for reddish-purple) and said it re-burnt every 500 words. But the Greeks knew from nothing about phoenices until they went to Egypt and learned about the bennu. "Bennu" meaning "shining" and it is a bird that re-burns itself when the 1461 cycles of the 365 day year align again with 1460 cycles of the solar year. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 22:09:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:09:00 -0400 Subject: Dragon Question in Book 1 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4422 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4418] Re: Dragon Question in Book 1 Date: 7/16/00 6:09 pm (ET) > What about taking from dragons that either died naturally or were killed for protection? That could be. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 22:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:12:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4423 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4421] Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 6:12 pm (ET) Does anyone believe Dumbledore just might be as old as Nicholas Flamel? Maybe they were both partaking of the Elixer of Life that came from the Sorcerer's Stone. Now that the stone was destroyed, Dumbledore, too, will finally pass on to the next great adventure. I'd bet that Harry will inherit Fawkes when Dumbledore goes. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 22:57:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4424 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4423] Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 6:57 pm (ET) > Does anyone believe Dumbledore just might be as old as Nicholas Flamel? Maybe they were both partaking of the Elixer of Life that came from the Sorcerer's Stone. I don't think Dumbledore is unnaturally old. He was just a young professor 'fifty years ago' when Tom Riddle Jr was a student. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 23:00:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4425 From: smitster1 Subject: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Date: 7/16/00 7:00 pm (ET) And so the tradition goes....... *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** .. . . . . . . . . . . . . Back in Book 1, Snape saves Harry from Quirrell at the Quidditch match. I wouldn't put it beyond Voldemort's ability to have known what Snape did. If anything, there is the possibility. Given this, if Snape were to get back under Voldemort's good graces it would take some major hem kissing. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 16 23:48:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:48:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4426 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Religion & HP Date: 7/16/00 7:48 pm (ET) Hi: I've been meaning to post to some of these earlier messages . . . Hunnydou wrote <<<This may sound kind of stupid, but I noticed in Chapter 22, talking about the Christmas preparations at Hogwarts, one paragraph states: "It was quite something to hear "O Come, All Ye Faithful" sung by an empty helmet that only knew half the words." When I read that, the words of the song raced through my mind and I was a little taken aback at the thought that songs about Christ were being sung at Hogwarts.>>> This is a more explicit religious Christmas reference than JKR has made in the past. I thought it quite interesting that she would use such a religious Christmas carol. Sorry, I'm not too up on whether some of the more secular carols are sung in the UK, but at least in America, there are plenty of very secular tunes that she could have used instead (Jingle Bells for one). So, I at least, was left wondering if there was anything to be made of this reference or not. I've always maintained that JKR could have skirted the religious issue altogether by simply having Hogwarts have a "winter break" and a "spring break" rather than Christmas & Easter holidays. So, are there any inferences to be drawn from the fact that the school has a Christmas & Easter break?? So far JKR has shied away from any public statements regarding her own religious beliefs (she was asked about Wicca at one point and refused to answer what her beliefs were, and on another occasion, did profess to believing in God). So, all in all, I'm not sure anyone really knows where she stands on the issue. I think it's fair to say that the Christmases in Books 1-3 are painted as rather Dickensian and certainly have no religious overtones as far as Christmas Day is concerned. But, many Christian families in America celebrate Christmas Day itself in an almost wholly secular manner (Santa, turkey, football & lots of presents). <<<The books are mum about this subject -- I suppose that the author assumes that most British children reading it are members of the Church of England and relate to Christmas songs in a secular way that has nothing to do with religion. But it's still kind of weird.>>>> I was curious why you would believe that if children are Anglican they would relate to the songs in a secular manner. I would think children who are brought up in the Anglican or other Christian faith would be more apt to put a religious interpretation than a secular one on a song like "O Come All Ye Faithful." naraht said <<<And there is a reference in Book 4 to something happening after Easter. What she has done is more or less *ignore* the religion question. Students at Hogwarts celebrate the same way (more or less) as they do at a non-religious school. Part of the problem is that religion would be an entirely difference kettle of fish to divide the characters. Hermione, having come from a family of dentists is certainly likely to still celebrate holidays the way that the muggles do, but on the other hand, if religion were dealt with, Ron & Draco would go to the same church.>>> As said above, I don't think she's *ignoring* the religious issue (otherwise winter & spring break could be used to make everything completely secular). I was curious why you believe that Hermione (muggle-born) would be Christian, while Ron & Draco, pure-blood wizards, would be something else (the inference being Wiccan or pagan)? Not wishing to stir up a contentious debate, but I'm not so sure why they would necessarily be non-religious (why they couldn't even be Christian for that matter). I'm Christian myself btw. Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 00:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: Pronunciation - very mild SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4427 From: Danemead Subject: Pronunciation - very mild SPOILER Date: 7/16/00 8:53 pm (ET) X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X For those who have the audiotape/CD of GoF, what is the pronunciation of "Pig" and "Pigwidgeon" -- is the first "g" hard or soft? I can see "Pigwidgeon" being pronounced "Pij-widjen" because it's so close to "Pigeon" -- but calling a little owl "Pig" (hard 'g') is cute, too. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 01:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4428 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: A few comments.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4389] Re: A few comments.... Date: 7/16/00 9:02 pm (ET) <<Since Voldemort stayed in an orphanage when not at school, I believe that his Mother must have died when he was very young. Perhaps Voldemort blamed the death of his witch Mother on his muggle father - and we just don't know the full story there as of yet.>>>> I just reread this over the weekend, and I remember someone had an earlier question about whether Riddle's parents were married - the "young" riddle of the diary clearly says "wife" when telling about how he left her, so that's one thing set. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 01:03:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4429 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4102] Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/16/00 9:03 pm (ET) Spoiler (I guess) .. . . . . . . . Only time will tell, but I will find it quite funny if all the neighbors are in on it. Besides the shrub definition of privet. The similar sounding word "privity" means 'Knowledge of something private or secret shared between individuals.' Humm, I feel like I'm finding patterns where no pattern exists--perhaps. Man, you guys are on the ball. 300 until I'm caught up. Phew! This is more work than the book! From innwilly at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 01:43:00 2000 From: innwilly at yahoo.com (innwilly) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: speaking of fanfic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4430 From: innwilly Subject: Re: speaking of fanfic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4297] Re: speaking of fanfic Date: 7/16/00 9:43 pm (ET) Thanks a bunch. I'll check it out. : ) From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 02:30:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:30:00 -0400 Subject: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4431 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4425] Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Date: 7/16/00 10:30 pm (ET) *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** *** SPOILER *** >>>>Back in Book 1, Snape saves Harry from Quirrell at the Quidditch match. I wouldn't put it beyond Voldemort's ability to have known what Snape did. If anything, there is the possibility. Given this, if Snape were to get back under Voldemort's good graces it would take some major hem kissing. <<<<<<<<< Well, we already know that Voldemort is an idiot, so maybe it would be possible, LOL! I mean, the guy finally gets his body back, and his has his arch-enemy tied up in front of him, at his mercy. What does he do? He UNTIES him, GIVES BACK his wand, and proceeds the throw the VERY SAME CURSE at Harry that rebounded on him 13 years earlier. DUH! A nice .38 caliber slug between the eyes would have been more effective and safer. But then the story would be over and we would all be heartbroken. So HURRAY for stupid villains!! I wonder if any of his more savvy 'lieutenants' are having second thoughts about their leader, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 03:18:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:18:00 -0400 Subject: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4432 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Reply To: [Yahoo! #4373] Re: Dementors (was: mythical creatures Date: 7/16/00 11:18 pm (ET) Catlady said: >>>The only real life (tm) creature I can think of who drains the happiness from other people is a Psychic Vampire. Well, if thats true, then most of the offices I have worked in employed mostly Psychic Vampires -- especially the executives! From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 03:38:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4433 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4413] Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/16/00 11:38 pm (ET) Dumbledore says, "It's a pity you've caught him on a burning *day*...", which to me implies that Fawkes burns up and is reborn every N weeks, that sort of timescale. From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 04:07:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:07:00 -0400 Subject: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4434 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4433] Re: Fawkes (nonspoiler) Date: 7/17/00 12:07 am (ET) Not really. It also says he was miserable for days, even weeks, which implies that it doesn't happen that often. It probably is the normal 500 year cycle for phoenixes. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 04:18:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4435 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #4425] Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Date: 7/17/00 12:18 am (ET) <<Back in Book 1, Snape saves Harry from Quirrell at the Quidditch match. I wouldn't put it beyond Voldemort's ability to have known what Snape did.>> He had to have known. When Quirrell told Harry all about it (the Columbo part of book 1), Voldemort was right there, occupying the back of his (Quirrell's) head. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 04:28:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:28:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4436 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4426] Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 12:28 am (ET) Even beyond how the holidays are celebrated, notice who the resident ghost is in Hufflepuff: the Fat Friar. I've always assumed him to be a Catholic, though for all I know, non-Christian faiths may have Friars. Of course the Fat Friar may be an exception, rather than the rule. Has anyone else ever wondered how FF used his magic in the priesthood? When did he live? I'd always pictured it to be during the European witch hunts (before the Salem ones). If so, he must've gone through quite a few conflicts of his own. And can you picture his Spanish counterpart, right in the middle of the Inquisition? Well, enough ramblings. Just my 2 knutes. Melanie (also Christian) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 04:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4437 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4426] Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 12:43 am (ET) On the whole, Britain isn't a very religious country. Many of those who were raised in the Church of England (C of E), for example, will *say* they believe in God without a second thought, but when it comes to practicing the Christian religion, it's a different story. Church attendance is very low and Christmas and Easter (even Weddings) are observed in a secular way by many (far more than in the US). JKR might say she believes in God when prompted, but I suspect that she wouldn't say she was 'a Christian', because that tends to imply a keen interest in observing the religion. I think I'm a fairly typical secular British being: raised in the C of E but now totally irreligious in day to day life. When I think of "Oh Come All Ye Faithful", I place it in a secular context, alongside "Jingle Bells". That doesn't mean I don't realise the significance of the song but, it is just a carol we sing a Christmas - it does not make me think of God or the Baby Jesus, it makes me think of Christmas trees and choirs and the crowds in Oxford Street. So, my theory is that JKR simply draws upon words and concepts she knows to create a comforting, nostalgic 'feel' for the books. As Penny says, some of it is 'Dickensian', but there's also Shakespeare, Pantomime, Fairytales, Pageantry and Gothic Horror films in there. It's remotely possible that JKR was making a joke about a religious carol being sung in a School of Witchcraft & Wizardry, but I suspect the truth is that it didn't cross her mind; if it had, she'd have realised that could be offensive to some. Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 04:43:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:43:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4438 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4436] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 12:43 am (ET) > Has anyone else ever wondered how the Fat Friar used his magic in the priesthood? When did he live? I think that, except for Myrtle, we don't know that any of those ghosts were wizards/witches in their lifetimes. From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 07:00:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:00:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4439 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4438] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 3:00 am (ET) >I think that, except for Myrtle, we don't know that any of those ghosts >were wizards/witches in their lifetimes. What would Muggle ghosts be doing around Hogwarts? From taj_de_asia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 07:06:00 2000 From: taj_de_asia at yahoo.com (taj_de_asia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:06:00 -0400 Subject: Being Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4440 From: taj_de_asia Subject: Re: Being Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #4027] Re: Being Harry Potter Date: 7/17/00 3:06 am (ET) MJ wrote: >>>Please don't take this as a criticism, please! joywitch999 wrote: >>I would just like to state my opinion here, which is that there is nothing wrong with criticism. The name of this group is *Harry Potter for Grownups*, not *We Worship Joanna Rowling*. Of course many of us do worship her, nevertheless, IMO anyway it is fine to say negative things about the books here.>> Thank you!!! ^_^ That was really nice of you to point that out to me. MJ. From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 07:10:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:10:00 -0400 Subject: Mail on Sunday Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4441 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Mail on Sunday Reply To: [Yahoo! #4403] Re: Mail on Sunday Date: 7/17/00 3:10 am (ET) >I do agree with some of the comments made by the down with JKR >person. The "Down with JKR" person should read Chapter 3 "Jo's Last Scrape" of L.M. Alcott's _Jo's Boys_... I think it helps explain why *our* Jo (and other celebrities) shuns the spotlight. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 07:51:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:51:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4442 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4439] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 3:51 am (ET) >>I think that, except for Myrtle, we don't know >> that any of those ghosts were wizards/witches >> in their lifetimes. > What would Muggle ghosts be doing around > Hogwarts? I agree. And, in the case of the Fat Friar, we know he's a Hogwarts alum. Right before Harry was Sorted, the Fat Friar said he hoped to see some of the new students in his old house, Hufflepuff. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 09:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:49:00 -0400 Subject: Questions for JKR Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4443 From: hert0661 Subject: Questions for JKR Date: 7/17/00 5:49 am (ET) Hi all; On Thursday of this week JKR will be on the Simon Mayo show on BBC radio 1. I believe that listeners can send in questions and that she will be asked some of these. E-mail: simon.mayo at bbc.co.uk Subject: JKR interview This show is from 9am to 12pm (4am - 7am Eastern Standard time), and is listenable through the internet - www.bbc.co.uk\radio1 - and then follow the listen to show link. I hope to listen to it all and will post any answers she gives to questions asked. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 10:22:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:22:00 -0400 Subject: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4444 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4431] Re: Snape -- HP4 Spoiler Date: 7/17/00 6:22 am (ET) This contains a fairly minor spoiler for book 4 so there follows a small spoiler space S P O I L E R S P A C E "Back in Book 1, Snape saves Harry from Quirrell at the Quidditch match. I wouldn't put it beyond Voldemort's ability to have known what Snape did. If anything, there is the possibility. Given this, if Snape were to get back under Voldemort's good graces it would take some major hem kissing." Snape can claim (quite justifiably) that he did not know that Quirrell was working for Voldemort and that he knew that Voldemort required Harry to be alive for him to be reborn sronger than ever, if Quirrell had taken the Stone for himself. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 10:22:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:22:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4445 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4426] Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 6:22 am (ET) Christmas is very much a secular occassion in the UK. Myself, as a Christian, do not really celebrate Christmas for what it actually is. I normally go to church for a small service on Christams day and spend the rest of the day on presents and turkey. Christmas has become a very commercial event. Because of this very few people take notice of the words of Christmas carols and just sing them. Easter is more of a religous event. In the UK, the churches take a much more active line at Easter. Very few people would take notice of the 'do you believe in God' question. It just gets an automated reply (yes) by most. This is the problem churches face in low attendence. Most people believe in God and take religion no further. "I've always maintained that JKR could have skirted the religious issue altogether by simply having Hogwarts have a "winter break" and a "spring break" rather than Christmas & Easter holidays." This is basically a case of tradition. In the UK the school holidays are called Christams and Easter breaks and it would be natural for JKR to call them this, without thought of the inference. "Hermione, having come from a family of dentists is certainly likely to still celebrate holidays the way that the muggles do, but on the other hand, if religion were dealt with, Ron & Draco would go to the same church." The school holidays break the year conviently into three chunks with an extra large break for the summer. By Ron and Draco going to the same church I assume you mean they are of the same religion. If the Malfoy's went to church then, as they are a rich old wizarding family, they would probably have their own chapel in the grounds of their house. Simon From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 12:06:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:06:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP (My theory) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4446 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Religion & HP (My theory) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4445] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 8:06 am (ET) The wizards pretty much (I think) have the same varied religious beliefs as the muggles (There are Christian, Jews, Muslims, etc. among them). But religion isn't the central/integral idea in the stories so I think that's why it isn't tackled in depth. I'm a Christian (Catholic to be exact), BTW. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 12:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:14:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4447 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4442] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 8:14 am (ET) (1) If we assume that, since he haunts it, the Fat Friar died at Hogwarts, he may have been a teacher there and he may have been head of Hufflepuff House. This still raises the odd situation of a friar teaching witchcraft - unless he taught Muggle Studies. (2) Assuming there is nothing stopping muggle-born students from returning to the muggle world after graduation and taking up a non-magical career, the friar may have got his religious calling after leaving Hogwarts. Then we can wonder how he comes to be haunting Hogwarts and not his friary or some other place. (3) We could play the magic card [more commonly known as poetic licence], and conclude that ghosts in the magical world don't behave in the same way as those in the muggle world. Perhaps they can haunt where they please and maybe they are appointed to positions at Hogwarts on secondment from mansions and monasteries. Overall, I don't think JKR thought too carefully about the contradictions, but sketched out some archetypal ghosts to add a bit of 'colour' - the headless aristocrat, the tortured teenager, the mysterious grey lady, the fat friar, the mischievous poltergeist. She could hardly have imagined that, a few years later, thousands of people like us would be speculating over the minute details of her stories! Neil From CarverWB at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 13:17:00 2000 From: CarverWB at yahoo.com (CarverWB) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Subject: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4448 From: CarverWB Subject: Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4209] Re: E-Mail Campaign to Warner Bros. Date: 7/17/00 9:17 am (ET) <<The point being that the movie studios are, for the most part, big powerful evil wizards who do what they think will make the most money. Quality and customer satisfaction are very, very, very low on their lists.>> They aren't on the lists. Anywhere. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 14:20:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4449 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: A few comments.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4386] A few comments.... Date: 7/17/00 10:20 am (ET) <<Names: I think that Rowlings has some fun pulling references with names from other places. I know that Nagini, for example, is pulled as a reference from a real life legend from India. I also noticed the name of Hermione's cat, Crookshanks.>> Ms Rowling also makes up names to fit the characters' physical characteristics. We know that Crookshanks has been described as bowlegged. Crook = crooked or bowed and shanks = legs. Easy enough! voicelady BTW, welcome to all the new members! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 15:24:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:24:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter at Land's End Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4450 From: heiditandy Subject: Harry Potter at Land's End Date: 7/17/00 11:24 am (ET) Well, it's not really Harry Potter (methinks it looks more like Ron) but it is a poster by Mary GrandPre, the artist of the US versions, and Land's End is selling it at http://www.landsend.com/cd/frontdoor/0,2084,JPROD_22268*14865,00.html?sid=096384 7312114 It's $10, and all profits are to be donated to First Book, a national non-profit literacy organization. The item number is Item #: 7105-5AKX and you can either click on the link above or call 800 963 4816 From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 15:55:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:55:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter at Land's End Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4451 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: Harry Potter at Land's End Reply To: [Yahoo! #4450] Harry Potter at Land's End Date: 7/17/00 11:55 am (ET) Hmmmmm...My first thought when I looked at the poster was...could E.T. be stuffed in that boy's backpack (seeing he had no basket on his bike)???? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 16:21:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:21:00 -0400 Subject: Just go to this page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4452 From: heiditandy Subject: Just go to this page Date: 7/17/00 12:21 pm (ET) http://shop.store.yahoo.com/icontoys/harrypotter.html From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 16:35:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4453 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4442] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 12:35 pm (ET) What about Professor Binns, the boring ghost who teaches the History of Magic? Wouldn't you agree that being on staff at Hogwarts would require one to be a wizard? On the subject of Binns, Heather (the creator of the Daily Prophet website), mentioned that Ben Stein would play a great Professor Binns. I agree...he'd be ideal!!! Can't you picture him droning on and on about Emeric the Evil and Uric the Oddball? <vbg> Check out Heather's cast info and choices at http://www.dprophet.com/campaign.html From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 17:45:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4454 From: Danemead Subject: Chapter 2? Date: 7/17/00 1:45 pm (ET) Are we about ready to discuss Chapter 2? From MissSelene at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 17:47:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4455 From: MissSelene Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4420] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/17/00 1:47 pm (ET) J U S T T O M A K S R E Yes, all right. Siberia sounds about right, but wouldn't the eastblock countries start their own schools after the Sovietunion fell? Alternativly start back the earlier schools from before the Union...if there were any? And I don't think Norway would be right. At least not the middle part...too warm. I grew up there. You'd have to go to the very north...that would be deserted enough too. Selene From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 17:53:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:53:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4456 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4455] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/17/00 1:53 pm (ET) * * * * * * * * * * The other nice bit about Siberia is how incredibly secluded it is... We know that all the schools want to be kept secret, and don't want others to know where they are at. Siberia seems like the obvious choice. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 17:54:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort's past (spoiler warning!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4457 From: jenP_97 Subject: Voldemort's past (spoiler warning!) Date: 7/17/00 1:54 pm (ET) La La La Just Making Sure There Isn't Any Possibility of Spoiling This... Okay. There was some discussion way back when about the junior Tom Riddle's parents. I'm not sure if this was brought up before, but I think I have an answer to a question that hasn't been covered yet. Voldemort (when he's talking to Harry at the end of the book) states (I don't have my book with me right now, but I'm SURE it's in there - book 4) that his mother died while giving birth to him, and that's the reason he grew up in an orphanage. Just to clear *that* question up. Here's my question. Did the senior Tom Riddle *know* his wife was pregnant when he left her? It doesn't say if he did or not - it just says that he left when he found out that she was a witch. Of course, if it's so much of a shock to find out his wife is a witch, I wouldn't put it past him to dump her anyway - wouldn't want an "abnormal" son around, either. Jen From crinkle25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 17:57:00 2000 From: crinkle25 at yahoo.com (crinkle25) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4458 From: crinkle25 Subject: Re: A few comments.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4386] A few comments.... Date: 7/17/00 1:57 pm (ET) MY THEORY.... I think that we will find out that Harry and Voldermort are RELATED. I came upon this theory while re-reading CoS. The Black hair...Harry says that Tom reminds him of himself as he gazes upon the "memory" of Tom in the Chamber... This is a wild theory, but... From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 18:01:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:01:00 -0400 Subject: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4459 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4456] Re: Krum...possibly a book 4 spoiler Date: 7/17/00 2:01 pm (ET) >> * * * * * * * * * * The other nice bit about Siberia is how incredibly secluded it is... We know that all the schools want to be kept secret, and don't want others to know where they are at. Siberia seems like the obvious choice. << Siberia sounds like a good choice. However, if one is looking for a remote place to keep a school secret, where would Beauxbatons be? Martinique? They *are* dressed too lightly for Hogwarts (which I think we've decided is in Scotland, right?). Of course, I forgot that it's mentioned that the schools are the "three best wizarding schools in Europe" (or something to the effect), so it's probably *not* in the tropics, huh? South of France? How about one of the islands where Napoleon was exiled? How many people go there nowadays? Are they tourist traps? Just wondering... Jen (who has way too much time on her hands this morning) From brp13 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 18:47:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: A few comments.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4460 From: brp13 Subject: Re: A few comments.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4458] Re: A few comments.... Date: 7/17/00 2:47 pm (ET) It's already been stated actually. Who knows what will happen, but I wouldn't be suprised. Maybe the riddles are related to Lily's family... Hmmm. From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 18:49:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4461 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4426] Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 2:49 pm (ET) In the UK, most Christmas carols that are actually sung to tend to be the more religious ones. Jingle Bells et al. are usually used on the muzak tapes blasted through shopping centres but most people would struggle to think of the words after 'Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle ......' Also, you would be astonished (and saddened) at how many children will joyfully sing along with Christmas carols (or anything else that has a jolly tune) with absolutely zero comprehension of what they are singing. To be fair, a lot of the more traditional carols are in a less accessible English, but the basic rule seems to be just sing it. It would certainly account for the number of permutations you get ('While shepherds washed their socks by night', 'Most highly flavoured gravy' etc). I just can't imagine a suit of armour singing Jingle Bells anyway. Not enough gravitas! Nikki From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:03:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: UK English vs American Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4462 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: UK English vs American Reply To: [Yahoo! #3884] Re: UK English vs American Date: 7/17/00 3:03 pm (ET) 'Git' isn't in my (concise) OED but the commonly accepted meaning is the stupid person one. Hoever, when I was at school, we also claimed that it,meant 'pregnant camel'. However, this could just have been to assuage our guilt at using an unpleasant term of abuse, or failing that an excuse when being told off by teachers... (I'm catching up from *way* back ... sorry if anyone else has answered this already.) Nikki From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:12:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4463 From: joywitch999 Subject: Icons Date: 7/17/00 3:12 pm (ET) Does anyone else find those HP icons from Lands End to be really appalling? I mean, I am as much of a sucker as the next consumer when it comes to commercialism -- after all, I already own 2 Hogwarts t-shirts and a mug -- but those figurines are downright ugly. And these people clearly did not even read the books. Many of the titles so weird that they are funny: "Hagrid in the birth of his Norwegian Ridgeback" (is that English?) "Hermione has just received the wooden flute from Hagrid" (she doesnt, Hagrid gave it to Harry "Hedwig, doing what she does best, deliverying mail to Harry" (deliverying?) And why is Dumbledore wearing sunglasses? "Ron Weasly in magic class where he discovers he is not a natural" (huh?) "In the climax of the story, Harry takes over the playing of the wooden flute as Ron and Hermione open the trapdoor in hope to find the Sorcerers Stone" (this one reminds me of those translated directions you get with cheap imported products from Asia like "to put Tab A on to Tab B you will be assembling your new furniture"; its also not the way it happened) Get ready, folks, in a couple of years we will be buried under mounds of cheesey Harry Potter merchandise. Yech. From thefly_gr at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:14:00 2000 From: thefly_gr at yahoo.com (thefly_gr) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4464 From: thefly_gr Subject: Question Date: 7/17/00 3:14 pm (ET) Spoiler s p o i l e r I just finished the book today and i have a question. (additional comments will come later) If Crabbe and Goyle are Death Eaters and Harry told Dumbledore why are they still attending Hogwarts? From thefly_gr at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:24:00 2000 From: thefly_gr at yahoo.com (thefly_gr) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: Bk 4 post, replying to ? - (if it wo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4465 From: thefly_gr Subject: Re: Bk 4 post, replying to ? - (if it wo Reply To: [Yahoo! #4400] Bk 4 post, replying to ? - (if it works) Date: 7/17/00 3:24 pm (ET) Rita is just a reporter and the filthiest of the kind. I don't think she cares who wins, the good or the bad guys as long as she's there to dig some dirt. From drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:25:00 2000 From: drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com (drdavid_h_waser) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Tired of all the Criticism Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4466 From: drdavid_h_waser Subject: Tired of all the Criticism Date: 7/17/00 3:25 pm (ET) I have seem much negative thought on the Internet over the new Harry Potter book. I have read it and it is a beautiful story. I have heard religious people say it is full of witchcraft and the black arts. Maybe, but so was Bewitched and some other shows. No one ever criticized them. So, why so much negative talk to our friend, Harry. David From sage016 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:26:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: Just go to this page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4467 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Just go to this page Reply To: [Yahoo! #4452] Just go to this page Date: 7/17/00 3:26 pm (ET) i think i may get the hermione and harry book ends...those would be so cute cupporting all 7 books when they are all finished! From thefly_gr at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:31:00 2000 From: thefly_gr at yahoo.com (thefly_gr) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Tired of all the Criticism Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4468 From: thefly_gr Subject: Re: Tired of all the Criticism Reply To: [Yahoo! #4466] Tired of all the Criticism Date: 7/17/00 3:31 pm (ET) Why do you even care? Just enjoy the magic! I savoured every page of the last one and now more than ever I'm anxious of what'll come next. How are we supposed to wait a full year! I posted a message titled question please see if you can answer it From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:35:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4469 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4464] Question Date: 7/17/00 3:35 pm (ET) Spoiler s p o i l e r Q: If Crabbe and Goyle are Death Eaters and Harry Q: told Dumbledore why are they still attending Q: Hogwarts? Answer: it's the parents. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:36:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4470 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4463] Icons Date: 7/17/00 3:36 pm (ET) The little figurines aren't from Land's End - the Mary GrandPre poster is. Hope it makes sense! Even though the little descriptions don't! But I'm still getting bookends : ) From thefly_gr at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 19:41:00 2000 From: thefly_gr at yahoo.com (thefly_gr) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:41:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4471 From: thefly_gr Subject: Re: Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4469] Re: Question Date: 7/17/00 3:41 pm (ET) Yes! Why didn't I think of that Thank you a lot, I was thinking of that all afternoon after i finished the book, I'm at ease again :-) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:11:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:11:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4472 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4447] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 4:11 pm (ET) "(2) Assuming there is nothing stopping muggle-born students from returning to the muggle world after graduation and taking up a non-magical career, the friar may have got his religious calling after leaving Hogwarts. Then we can wonder how he comes to be haunting Hogwarts and not his friary or some other place." I believe that JKR has stated that people can develop / discover magical ability later in life. Maybe the Fat Frair started life in religion and then moved onto magic. This could explain how he came to be at Hogwarts when he died. Simon From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:22:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:22:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4473 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4470] Re: Icons Date: 7/17/00 4:22 pm (ET) Hi... I can't find these things anywhere at landsend.com Can you point me in the right direction please. While on the topic of merchandise, I've just recieved some basic details from Cedco regarding their licenced products due for release in September: "Our license is restricted to the U.S" Oh dear... but hey, they still may be able to supply worldwide - afterall, a website is a worldwide shop front. "The products we will be introducing for 4th quarter are: 1 Harry Potter student planner 2 gel pen address books (1 Harry Potter, 1 Hermione) 1 upscale address book 1 Remebrall memory book 3 standup photo albums (1 Harry Potter, 1 Hogwarts, 1 Mirror of Erised) 4 Big Sticker Books (Harry Potter, Hermione, Hogwarts, Quidditch) 2 backpack book photo albums (Harry Potter, Hermione) 1 backpack autograph book 1 backpack address book 1 backpack internet address book 1 Harry Potter prediction card set" Not a bad selection... though there are still no details of what these items will look like. As and when I hear more I will let you know. Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:31:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:31:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4474 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4470] Re: Icons Date: 7/17/00 4:31 pm (ET) I found the poster. So... where is the place we can get figurines (if we wanted them) and the bookends? Details below from: www.landsend.com Mary Grandpr' Collector's Poster $10.00 Item #: 7105-5AKX More information about our Collector's Poster He's not Harry Potter, but the kid on the cover of our Back-to-School Kids' catalog has a magic all his own. Could be because he's drawn by the same hand -- that of artist Mary Grandpr'. We're pleased to share Mary's art with you, and to introduce this first in a series of Collector's Posters to add to your personal gallery. This fine reproduction of our Back-to-School catalog cover is printed on heavyweight stock using fade-resistant ink. Better yet, we've teamed up with the artist to donate all profits from the sale of this print to First Book, a national non-profit organization that puts books in the hands of low-income youth. Made in USA. 16"Wx20"H. --- From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:35:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:35:00 -0400 Subject: Price of books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4475 From: babynick34 Subject: Price of books Date: 7/17/00 4:35 pm (ET) Hi all Just got the latest listing of prices from a bookdealer know... seems like the HP books have gone up again - so hold on to any nice editons you may have. HP POA - UK First Edition, First Printing, Signed by Jo is now worth in the region of $1200 The US edition of POA in comparason, First Edition First Printing, Signed is only worth around $450. I guess Jo must have signed more of the US books! Nick. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:36:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4476 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4473] Re: Icons Date: 7/17/00 4:36 pm (ET) I found the Prediction Card Set on Amazon (who will ship anywhere in the world!) It's at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0768323150/qid=963866121/sr=1-40/104-7640 937-4177569 From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:37:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Price of books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4477 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Price of books Reply To: [Yahoo! #4475] Price of books Date: 7/17/00 4:37 pm (ET) Makes no sense, since she hasn't done a signing tour of the US, but the difference may be because there are fewer UK copies - 1 million, versus 3.5 million or so. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: Just go to this page Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4478 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Just go to this page Reply To: [Yahoo! #4452] Just go to this page Date: 7/17/00 4:51 pm (ET) Re: those appalling figurines... How delightfully crass! Looks to me like Hermione's been at the bleach bottle, and Ron's hair looks like a cowpat plopped artfully onto his head. Hedwig looks a little constipated. I'm sure they'll all be worth $1300 by 2003. Nick, if you're still interested after my scathing remarks, I'm replying to the message with the link... Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 20:55:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:55:00 -0400 Subject: Price of books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4479 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Price of books Reply To: [Yahoo! #4477] Re: Price of books Date: 7/17/00 4:55 pm (ET) Hi Heidi No those books were PoA, not GoF. GoF will not be worth that much, as the print runs are so much larger. Though as things are going, a signed edition of GoF will be worth a fortune - so has signed so few of them. Jo did a book signing tour for PoA back in October last year in the US - thus why there are quite a few signed US copies of PoA around. Nick From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 21:05:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:05:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4480 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4461] Re: Religion & HP Date: 7/17/00 5:05 pm (ET) <<Also, you would be astonished (and saddened) at how many children will joyfully sing along with Christmas carols ... with absolutely zero comprehension of what they are singing.>> It's not just the children Nikki, the adults are still just as bad. I have fond memories of such gems as 'We three Kings Avori & Tar' and 'Round young virgin - Mother & Child'. Plus that old favourite,'Once in Royal Davis City stood a lonely cattle shed'... Oh, the Spirit of Christmas Past is upon me! Neil From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 21:21:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:21:00 -0400 Subject: News from Sky.co.uk Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4481 From: babynick34 Subject: News from Sky.co.uk Date: 7/17/00 5:21 pm (ET) Hi all. Sky the UK satalite and cable broadcaster has had an exclusive interview with Jo it appears. It is featured on their Book Show. Link: http://www.sky.com/news/bookshow/story1.htm Just in case anyone was interested. Nick From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 21:31:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4482 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Casting Harry Date: 7/17/00 5:31 pm (ET) Hope this hasn't been mentioned yet: J.K. Rowling has said that, despite the rumors to the contrary, neither Liam Aiken nor anyone else has been cast as Harry. Furthermore, you can be durn sure that whoever they choose will be British as British can be. (See aint-it-cool-news.com) From jen_lorin at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 22:35:00 2000 From: jen_lorin at yahoo.com (jen_lorin) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:35:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4483 From: jen_lorin Subject: A different tone Date: 7/17/00 6:35 pm (ET) Hello, all. Okay, I just finished the book yesterday. I enjoyed it tremendously and already can't wait for the next one. I thought this one had a slightly different flavor from the earlier books-- it seemed a lot darker. Curious as to what other people thought-- I thought PoA was darker than the first two books, but thought this went to a much more intense level on that front. What did you all think? On a similar note, this one felt much more "adult" to me than the earlier books-- what did you think? From shari23518 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 17 22:48:00 2000 From: shari23518 at yahoo.com (shari23518) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4484 From: shari23518 Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4483] A different tone Date: 7/17/00 6:48 pm (ET) I agree that GoF is more "adult." As I was reading, I often reflected that I wouldn't want my 10 year old reading this book. I suppose as Harry gets older and more mature, the situations Harry finds himself in must become more complex. The comments that some characters made did not seem to be meant for 10yr olds and seemed to be a bit crude for a young audience. Anyway, it makes sense that the content would change as he matures. There was a comment in our newspaper today from a 10yr old about how this book was definitely not for younger kids; the book is much "spookier" than the previous ones. But hey... I will keep reading them. I just finished book one again... to see what I missed and I can't believe how much I missed. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 00:46:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:46:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4485 From: triner2001 Subject: My Own Wild Theory (no spoilers) Date: 7/17/00 8:46 pm (ET) Geez, I pack up the 'puter for 3 days in order to move and I come back to a bazillion posts! My Theory: We know that Lily Potter has red hair and green eyes, but do not know her maiden name. She is also a Muggle-born witch. Mrs. Weasley has a 2nd cousin (or something) who is an accountant, but they never talk about him. My theory on Muggle-born witches/wizards is that they have a recessive magic gene that pops up (like one blue-eyed child in a family of all brown). Lily and Petunia's family history contains magic and Lily got the gene. So what about somehow Lily's family and Mrs Weasley's (we don't know Molly's maiden name either) family are somehow related? That would make Harry part of the Weasley family (although he sort of already is). Trina From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 01:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Family History Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4486 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry's Family History Reply To: [Yahoo! #4333] Harry's Family History Date: 7/17/00 9:17 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I wonder that Harry (or Hermione, more likely) has never attempted to research his family history.>>> The genealogist in me couldn't resist replying to this one! <vbg> I would wonder this also. But, Harry has led a somewhat secluded life -- he may have never heard of genealogy (especially since the Dursleys forbade questions). <<<I could picture him going through the back issues of the Daily Prophet to read about the day he became an orphan.>>> Yep -- that'd be a good source for some info (as someone pointed out, perhaps not the most reliable paper there is, but newspapers can be decent evidence for genealogical purposes). Of course, one expects that JKR isn't going to let this happen (or not until Book 7 anyway). It is a stretch in my mind that Hermione hasn't raised the issue or tried to do anything with this though. Maybe she has & just isn't saying anything to anyone. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 01:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:44:00 -0400 Subject: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4487 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/17/00 9:44 pm (ET) Hi: This is my spoiler warning -- please heed it if you haven't finished GoF. This relates to the ending of GoF. Hopefully, this is enough space - S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<What I found odd was that Harry /knew/ James was going to be coming out of the wand first. I agree that we hear James's voice telling Lily to run and protect Harry, and that all clues we have indicate that James was killed before Lily was... but the order coming out of the wand /clearly/ shows that the spell cast to kill James was prior to Lily's - Lily died first, and then James. I don't know if this was a mistake, or not, but we'll find out I'm sure!>>>> Actually, I think Harry only *knew* it was his father because his father was in the process of coming out of the wand when he thinks this. In other words, he is seeing the beginning of his father's head when he thinks to himself that he knows who this one is. I don't think he is saying he *knew* it before James even started to come out. But, you do make a good point about prior incantatum being the reverse *spells* that were done -- so the spell that killed Lily was, it would seem, cast *before* the spell that killed James, regardless of which one of them *died* first. I hadn't picked up on that yet, but I'm not that far in the re-read so I forgive myself. <g> So . . . maybe one of my theories from the other day isn't so bad. That is: Voldemort's primary target is Harry. There's also support for this in that James says "I'll hold him off -- take Harry & run." This could imply that James would be preventing Voldy from getting to Harry to give Lily time to flee with Harry (rather than taking a stand against V who wanted to kill both James & Harry). Okay, so onward with my theory. Voldy arrives with the intent to kill Harry. He encounters James in a front room and brushes past him, intent on his target. James is unable to deflect him or hold him off for whatever reason. But, Voldy must not curse him at this point. Lily is trying to shield Harry and won't get out of the way. So, Voldy kills her. Then, James steps in & tries to shield his son. Voldy disposes of him too. Of course, if true, why would his *mother's* death give him protection (rather than both parents)? I'm boxing myself into a corner I think. And, what of the fact that their house was destroyed, etc.? Voldy couldn't have done anything really after attempting to curse Harry, if we're to believe the curse rebounded & he was left powerless. This is all very interesting . . . .I have more questions than answers now. Penny From shellymoos at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:15:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: New Harry Fan Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4488 From: shellymoos Subject: New Harry Fan Date: 7/17/00 10:15 pm (ET) Hi all. I joined the club the other day after reading 2. I only read the first one a week ago and I just finished the fourth last night. I absolutely have fallen in love with these stories. Now I have to be like everyone else and wait for the next one. Oh well. I am so happy there are as many adults out there that love these books as much as I do. I am trying to get my 9 year old to start on them and she has started on the first one. All the people I work with ask me "Isn't that a kids book?" I try to tell them that Harry is someone we all can associate with. Even as adults we all can feel what Harry and his friends feel. Feeling out of place, confusion, real friendship and worry about the future are not things that only children will feel. But as far as I am concerned any story that will transport you somewhere else, somewhere you would dearly love to be is a winner. And the fact that so many children are totally into Harry gives me some hope. I will admit video games, tv and movies are a large part of my families life. But then I have been such an avid reader all my life and so are books a large part of our lives. I like to see the fact that more children are reading more. And I could care less if people are saying they are "evil" because of the witchcraft aspect. What I consider evil are closed minds. Reading is the best way in the world to open our minds and see into the hearts of others. These books and any others can only help bring people together, such as this discussion group. Just my thoughts. Shelly From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:16:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:16:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4489 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4463] Icons Date: 7/17/00 10:16 pm (ET) I agree - and is this just me being stupid, or was everyone else under the impression that Hermione had brown hair??? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: New Harry Fan Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4490 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: New Harry Fan Reply To: [Yahoo! #4488] New Harry Fan Date: 7/17/00 10:19 pm (ET) >>What I consider evil are closed minds. Reading is the best way in the world to open our minds and see into the hearts of others. These books and any others can only help bring people together<< Wow! I love that phrase! Welcome to the club! Dee From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:25:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: choice of names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4491 From: quizical_joan Subject: choice of names Date: 7/17/00 10:25 pm (ET) I am a somewhat new member to this club, and havn't read all the posts before me, so forgive me if this has allready been mentioned. A lot has been said about Jo's choice of names, for animals, places, and things, but no one has seemed to mention my favorite! I was quite tickled by the fact that Sirius' animagus was a dog! How clever to tie in astrology with the dog constelation. JK Rowling never ceases to amaze me From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:37:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4492 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 2??? Date: 7/17/00 10:37 pm (ET) Hi: Danemead asked earlier today if we're ready to discuss Chapter 2 -- I say yes! Any volunteers to summarize and/or kick off the discussion? What about our simultaneous "character" discussions for this week? I nominate another more minor character in the Weasley family -- Charlie Weasley. If anyone has thoughts for the order of characters to discuss in the coming weeks, I'd love to hear them. Also, if you're interested in summarizing a chapter for discussion at the beginning of each week, let me know. Trying to be den mother -- Penny From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:38:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: Icons Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4493 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Icons Reply To: [Yahoo! #4489] Re: Icons Date: 7/17/00 10:38 pm (ET) >>>I agree - and is this just me being stupid, or was everyone else under the impression that Hermione had brown hair??? Yes, in the books Hermione has bushy brown hair and large front teeth. Apparently blond haired girl icons sell better. And Ron of course should have red hair but for some reason the Ron icon has brown hair. Arrgh! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:40:00 -0400 Subject: Icon Figures -- Yech! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4494 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Icon Figures -- Yech! Date: 7/17/00 10:40 pm (ET) Those icon figures are horrible in my opinion! Hermione does look like she's bleached her hair (which is supposed to be *brown*!!). Ron looks like someone stuck a bowl over his head to give him that haircut. They all look weird!!!! The *only* thing I liked was the set of books/sorting hat bookends. But, I probably don't like them enough to buy them . . . don't want whoever is making this stuff to think we like it after all. Who is making it, and *how* did they get the licensing rights? Yeecch!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4495 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/17/00 10:44 pm (ET) Hi: Trina wrote: <<<My theory on Muggle-born witches/wizards is that they have a recessive magic gene that pops up (like one blue-eyed child in a family of all brown). Lily and Petunia's family history contains magic and Lily got the gene. So what about somehow Lily's family and Mrs Weasley's (we don't know Molly's maiden name either) family are somehow related? That would make Harry part of the Weasley family (although he sort of already is).>>> The H/H shipper can't resist pointing out that a familial relationship between Harry & the Weasleys (however distant) is likely to be the final straw in the fading-fast hopes of Ginny. <vbg> Penny From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:45:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4496 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter 2??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4492] Chapter 2??? Date: 7/17/00 10:45 pm (ET) spoiler space Chapter 2.... have we been discussing Chapter 1 for a whole week already? Did anyone ever figure out what the hell Voldy was talking about in Chapter 1 when he said that one more murder and his path to Harry would be clear? I have assumed that he was refering to Crouch Sr., but that Wormtail convinced him to keep Crouch alive for awhile so that people wouldnt get suspicious. I also wanted to add to the Bill Weasley discussion that I was really glad that JKR made Bill into a cool dude, instead of an annoying little goody good like Percy, thus showing that you can be really smart, do exceptionally well in school, and go on to a successful career without being a total conformist. I hope that Bill plays a greater role in the next 3 books. From rynia_sedai at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:46:00 2000 From: rynia_sedai at yahoo.com (rynia_sedai) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:46:00 -0400 Subject: Toys? Where? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4497 From: rynia_sedai Subject: Toys? Where? Date: 7/17/00 10:46 pm (ET) I'm seeing a lot of discussion about the HP toys and I can't seem to find them on the net. Would someone be so kind as to provide a link? Thanks! ~Jennifer From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:53:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: Toys? Where? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4498 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Toys? Where? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4497] Toys? Where? Date: 7/17/00 10:53 pm (ET) I don't think they're available until next year when the movie comes out. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 02:57:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70s/80 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4499 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70s/80 Date: 7/17/00 10:57 pm (ET) Hi: I just received another one of those hilarious "remember when" lists like the ones we were discussing back before GoF came out. This one has 50 things, and I won't list all 50. But, I know there are several of us who are around the same age who will appreciate some of these -- and it's a nice way to break up the Harry discussions. You Remember When: 1. Jordache jeans with a flat-handle comb in the back pocket was cool. 2. Any photograph of you shows you wearing an Izod shirt with the collar turned up. 6. You remember the premier of MTV-or worse yet, you remember its predecessor, "Friday Night Videos." 7. You and your friends ever discussed having a reunion at the end of the century and playing Prince's "1999" until you passed out partying. 13. Schoolhouse Rock played a HUGE part in how you learned things like grammar, math and history. (A big hint here is if the only way you can recite the Preamble to the Constitution is by singing it.) 14. You ever dressed to look like someone in a Madonna, Cyndi Lauper or Duran Duran video. 15. You remember your first kiss with someone having happened while either "Leather and Lace" or "Crazy for You" was playing. 16. You remember with pain the day the Green Machine hit the streets (or the sidewalks), instantly making your Big Wheel obsolete. 17. The age-old question "Where's the beef?" still makes you laugh. 25. You remember trying to guess which episode of "The Brady Bunch" it was by the first scene. 26. You had a front-row seat (i.e., blew off one or more classes) for Luke and Laura's wedding on "GH." 28. You know who shot J.R. 29. You recall when Love's Baby Soft was in every girl's Christmas stocking. 30. This rings a bell: "My name is Charlie, and they work for me."! 31. You were unsure if Diet Coke would ever catch on. (Related item: you were sure that "New Coke" would NEVER catch on.) 32. You know all the words to the double-album set of the "Grease" soundtrack. 35. "All skate, change directions" means something to you. 36. You've ever owned a pair of rainbow suspenders like the ones Mork used to wear. 40. You remember when movies were only PG and R. 41. You learned to swim at about the same time "Jaws" came out....and still carry the emotional scars to prove it. 47. You remember having a rotary phone. 48. You actually believed that Mikey, famed kid on the Life cereal commercials, died after eating Pop Rocks and drinking a Coke. That's it folks -- hope those of you still reading enjoyed the nostalgia trip! Penny From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:00:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:00:00 -0400 Subject: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4500 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Bk4 plothole & fun fic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4282] Bk4 plothole & fun fic Date: 7/17/00 11:00 pm (ET) Very funny. Gotta love the fan fic. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:01:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4501 From: schlaggen Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4495] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/17/00 11:01 pm (ET) <<The H/H shipper can't resist pointing out that a familial relationship between Harry & the Weasleys (however distant) is likely to be the final straw in the fading-fast hopes of Ginny.>> Not sure about England, but in America marrying a relative of your second cousin isn't illegal. Go Ginny! Put Cho in her place! From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:19:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:19:00 -0400 Subject: Strange request Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4502 From: smitster1 Subject: Strange request Date: 7/17/00 11:19 pm (ET) For anyone who has the UK version of HP 4: Can you complete this chapter/page list for your UK edition? I'm having a bear of a time locating things by page no. when I don't have a UK copy. Thanks Chapter # US Start Page --------- ------------- 1 1 9 117 14 209 19 313 23 403 27 509 31 605 36 692 Last page 734 From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4503 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4501] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/17/00 11:21 pm (ET) <<Not sure about England, but in America marrying a relative of your second cousin isn't illegal.>> In England they allow anything up to first cousins to marry - hence my two heads and cloven hooves (my mother's parents were first cousins; two of my great grandparents were sisters). In the magical world, I can imagine some people marrying (or coupling with) their own parents, so even if Harry turns out to be a black-haired recessive-gened Weasley, there is a glimmer of hope for Ginny! Neil From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:23:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4504 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4499] Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70s/80 Date: 7/17/00 11:23 pm (ET) 47(b). You can visualize a "Princess phone" From oldhermionefan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:27:00 2000 From: oldhermionefan at yahoo.com (oldhermionefan) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: New club member needs help! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4505 From: oldhermionefan Subject: New club member needs help! Date: 7/17/00 11:27 pm (ET) Do any of y'all know of places I can order the english editions of the hp books in the us? I don't want first editions or anything, just affordable copies to read! old hermione fan From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:27:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4506 From: angelx_ph Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoiler) Date: 7/17/00 11:27 pm (ET) 1. Beyond James, Lily and the Dursleys, there is no info on who are Harry's other relatives from either side. Beyond Aunt Petunia, we don't know anything about Lily's side of the family. We don't ANYONE from James's side of the family. Any theories? (Anyone of you guys Voldemort might be related to Harry) 2. RON and HERMIONE -- I think they'll eventually end up together. I'm beginning to think it'll happen. Did anyone else notice Ron's behavior during the Yule Ball? Someone's jealous. 3. Will Snape, Draco or any of the Dursleys ever change for the better? I have this nagging feeling that Draco might (It would add dimension to the story -- Voldemort kills Draco's parents in front of him and Harry saves his life. I think if this happens, it would make things a little more intriguing). From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: Strange request Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4507 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Strange request Reply To: [Yahoo! #4502] Strange request Date: 7/17/00 11:29 pm (ET) Not sure how this helps you, but here you go: - Chapter # UK Start Page --------- ------------- 1 7 9 106 14 185 19 275 23 351 27 442 31 526 36 601 Last page 636 It's 4.30am here - but can't sleep and looking for things to do. Neil From jesusiswhoilove at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:32:00 2000 From: jesusiswhoilove at yahoo.com (jesusiswhoilove) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:32:00 -0400 Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4508 From: jesusiswhoilove Subject: Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4506] Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoiler) Date: 7/17/00 11:32 pm (ET) I have to aggree with you. Ron was mighty jealus of Hermione ;o) I dont know bout the side of the family thing , maybe the next books will tell us. ;O) From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:34:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:34:00 -0400 Subject: Animated TV series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4509 From: angelx_ph Subject: Animated TV series Date: 7/17/00 11:34 pm (ET) What do you guys think of an animated TV series based on the books? I think it's a good idea if made the right way. If I had my way, the series would not only focus on Harry but other characters as well. One of the episodes could deal with Filch trying to catch Peeves (that would be so funny). Plus other characters that have only small parts in the books can take center stage: the Weasley twins, the Creevey brothers, Hagrid and Norbert, Sirius and Buckbeak, etc. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 03:39:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Prequel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4510 From: angelx_ph Subject: Prequel Date: 7/17/00 11:39 pm (ET) Do you think it's a good idea for J.K. Rowling to write a prequel to the Harry Potter books chronicling James's and Lily's stay at Hogwarts and the rise of Lord Voldemort? If it's as good as the books now, why not? From sage016 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 04:04:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:04:00 -0400 Subject: Animated TV series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4511 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Animated TV series Reply To: [Yahoo! #4509] Animated TV series Date: 7/18/00 12:04 am (ET) no way. i would never go for that, it would ruin the point, and kids would stop reading. why read when they can watch it every saturday morning? From sage016 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 04:06:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: Prequel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4512 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Prequel Reply To: [Yahoo! #4510] Prequel Date: 7/18/00 12:06 am (ET) now, THIS idea is much better than that cartoon thing. I would deffinatly read that, i think it would be extreemly interesting. But i have a feeling all of that may be revealed within the next (and last) 3 books. But its still a good idea. From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 04:17:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:17:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4513 From: prof_nellup Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4503] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 12:17 am (ET) Neil, Your posts are so much fun to read, even the serious ones...such as this one. Too bad about the hooves, though. At least you don't have to worry about shoes. I agree that in the world of magic, just about ANYTHING goes...even "interspecies" marriages. Take for example, oops... I'd best leave a Book 4 spoiler space first... * * * * * * * * * * * * * ... Hagrid's parents. They may not have been "blood-relations", but just visualize a 20-foot giantess and a normal-sized wizard as wife and husband? Also, since Hagrid asked Madame Maxine(when inquiring about her half-giant parentage)if it was her "...mother or father?", we can also presume that a giant coupling with a normal-sized female wasn't unheard of either...WHEW! In order to cope in such a "physically-challenged" relationship, the female would undoubtedly have to be "highly gifted" in the magical sense. ~Val~ From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 04:23:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: U.S./U.K. Book 4 page conversion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4514 From: smitster1 Subject: U.S./U.K. Book 4 page conversion Date: 7/18/00 12:23 am (ET) Okay, so YES I may have too much time on my hands. You can thank me later. :) You can convert between the US & UK editions of GoF using one of these functions. Since most of us don't have both editions, we can't easily reference pages. The formulas are correct to +/-1 page (I think). US = 1.166(UK - 6) UK = 0.8576US + 6 For example pg. 509-US is approx. 442.5-UK. (The correct answer is pg. 442-UK.) And for example pg. 275-UK is approx. pg. 313.7-US. (The correct answer is pg. 313-US.) Thanks to flying_ford_anglia for the help. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 04:54:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:54:00 -0400 Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4515 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4506] Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoiler) Date: 7/18/00 12:54 am (ET) <<RON and HERMIONE -- I think they'll eventually end up together. I'm beginning to think it'll happen. Did anyone else notice Ron's behavior during the Yule Ball? Someone's jealous. >> Oh, I'd say that was just the tip of the iceberg, and has been building up for a long time. Even in book 2, Ron made a much bigger deal than Harry did about Hermione's crush on Lockhart! Melanie From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 05:36:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:36:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4516 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chapter 2??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4496] Re: Chapter 2??? Date: 7/18/00 1:36 am (ET) s p O I l e R s p a c e s p o i l e r s p a c e > I also wanted to add to the Bill Weasley discussion that I was really glad that JKR made Bill into a cool dude, instead of an annoying little goody good like Percy, thus showing that you can be really smart, do exceptionally well in school, and go on to a successful career without being a total conformist. I hope that Bill plays a greater role in the next 3 books. I like the Bill character and I hope he shows up in future books, at least to explain what a cursebreaker *does* for Gringotts. However, being "cool" is only a different style of conformity. In real life (tm), watch the cool people mock the nurds, or geeks, or wonks, or whaterver the losers are called nowdays. Bill's similarity of fashion to the Muggle world seems to me that he probably goes to Muggle discoes (or wherever Muggles go to dance nowdays). How could wizard and Muggles have the same fashions at the same time if wizards live so separate from Muggles that old Archie couldn't grasp the idea of trousers, and Molly Weasley, who graduated from Hogwart's in the 1960s (you know, 1960s, Eng-a-land swings like a pendulum do) hates Bill's long hair and calls Hermione a 'a scarlet woman'! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 05:39:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:39:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4517 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4501] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 1:39 am (ET) > Not sure about England, but in America marrying a relative of your second cousin isn't illegal. In THE GRAND SOPHY by Georgette Heyer (romance novel taking place in England in early 1800s), the heroine ends up marrying her FIRST COUSIN -- who was ALREADY ENGAGED at the time she met him. This one git of my acquaintance said that he was quite unable to enjoy any of the funny things or historical research in the book because it includes incest which is against his religion. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 05:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4518 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4503] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 1:46 am (ET) > In England they allow anything up to first cousins to marry - hence my two heads and cloven hooves (my mother's parents were first cousins; two of my great grandparents were sisters). If it's any comfort, having two heads did wonders for Zaphod Beeblebrox's career. > In the magical world, I can imagine some people marrying (or coupling with) their own parents, You don't need to imagine it in the magical world, just look at any hillbilly joke sites. Someone on one of these lists complained that 'hillbilly' is an ethnic slur, but I am certain that the content of those jokes would be just as offensive if they were called 'working class white rural Southerner' jokes. If you are lucky enough not to know what I'm talking about, one of Jeff Foxworthy's "You Might be a Redneck If" is "if your family tree don't branch".i From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 05:47:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:47:00 -0400 Subject: New club member needs help! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4519 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: New club member needs help! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4505] New club member needs help! Date: 7/18/00 1:47 am (ET) > Do any of y'all know of places I can order the english editions of the hp books in the us? I ordered them from amazon.co.uk last year and they arrived today. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 05:48:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: Strange request Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4520 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Strange request Reply To: [Yahoo! #4507] Re: Strange request Date: 7/18/00 1:48 am (ET) > It's 4.30am here - but can't sleep and looking for things to do. Is that a side effect of cloven hooves? From Orrianne at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 07:39:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:39:00 -0400 Subject: Ron and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4521 From: Orrianne Subject: Ron and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #4515] Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Date: 7/18/00 3:39 am (ET) I totally agree. :) And I think Ron and Hermione will be great together - I look forward to seeing their friendship change into romance. Ron was so funny at the ball - he couldn't stop staring at Hermione the whole time. A perfectly lovely girl is sitting next to him, and asks, "Are you going to dance with me?" and Ron's answer: "No." Ron doesn't even turn around to look elsewhere, he just keeps staring at Hermione! :: LOL :: I was going through a name book, and I found some interesting things I'd thought that I'd share with you about names. Hermione: Greek. Female version of Hermes, the messanger of the Gods Ron: English. Favored and Powerful advisor. Harry: English. Fair Ruler. Severen (Closest to Severus): Means severe. Drake (closest to Draco) - Means Dragon. From Orrianne at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 07:43:00 2000 From: Orrianne at yahoo.com (Orrianne) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:43:00 -0400 Subject: Jeopardy Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4522 From: Orrianne Subject: Jeopardy Question Date: 7/18/00 3:43 am (ET) Several months ago my Dad and I were watching Jeopardy's Tournament for High School Kids. They got through the game, yadda yadda, and then of course had the final question. The question said: What current literary hero goes to school with the Motto: Something, something, Draco, something, which translates into: The Brave Tickle Dragons. Okay, that's not exactly how it went, but my Dad and I were floored. We saw "Draco" and immediately said... "That's gotta be Harry Potter, but I don't remember reading about that in the books." The final answer WAS Harry Potter, and none of the kids got it right at all. So, I had another American question for our English brethren across the Atlantic. My Dad and I poured through the cover pictures, and all of the books looking for a reference to Hogwart's School Motto - anything about tickling dragons and we came up empty handed. Does the Hogwart's school motto exist in the English books while it does not in the American books? If no one can find the reference, I'm going to have to write to Jeopardy. * wink * From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 08:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:49:00 -0400 Subject: Jeopardy Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4523 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Jeopardy Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4522] Jeopardy Question Date: 7/18/00 4:49 am (ET) <<Does the Hogwart's school motto exist in the English books while it does not in the American books?>> This what it says in the UK books - under the school crest: "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" [Never tickle a sleeping dragon]. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 09:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:16:00 -0400 Subject: Hooves Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4524 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hooves Reply To: [Yahoo! #4520] Re: Strange request Date: 7/18/00 5:16 am (ET) > It's 4.30am here - but can't sleep and looking for things to do. >>Is that a side effect of cloven hooves? I never could walk in heels... From sakerio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 09:43:00 2000 From: sakerio at yahoo.com (sakerio) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:43:00 -0400 Subject: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4525 From: sakerio Subject: Re: Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70 Reply To: [Yahoo! #4499] Completely Off-Topic (Back to the 70s/80 Date: 7/18/00 5:43 am (ET) Thank you so much for that list Penny. I have an email I'll be sending you shortly. Rio From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 09:56:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:56:00 -0400 Subject: New club member needs help! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4526 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: New club member needs help! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4519] Re: New club member needs help! Date: 7/18/00 5:56 am (ET) Hi welcome to the club Ordering from a UK supplier should not be any problem. www.whsmith.co.uk | www.amazon.co.uk are two that spring to mind. One thing that surprised me looking at amazon.com and bn.com is that the large US booksellers are not importing the UK versions, yet the UK booksellers are importing the US editions! Talking of books... bn.com is now saying that there is a 1-2 week ship period for: J.K. Rowling: The Wizard behind Harry Potter Does anyone know anything about this book? Nick. ---------- www.broomsticks.org From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 09:59:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:59:00 -0400 Subject: Toys? Where? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4527 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Toys? Where? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4497] Toys? Where? Date: 7/18/00 5:59 am (ET) To see some of the figures that are being produced - note, these don't seem to be toys, but colectors items, visit: www.broomsticks.org Top right you will see a link to the site with the figures and bookends. More links to merchandise will be added to the site as and when I find out about them... See a previous post regarding the stationary and calandars due for September. Nick. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 10:27:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:27:00 -0400 Subject: Jeopardy Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4528 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Jeopardy Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4522] Jeopardy Question Date: 7/18/00 6:27 am (ET) "Does the Hogwart's school motto exist in the English books while it does not in the American books?" The Hogwarts crest and motto is shown on the first couple of pages in the UK editions of the books. I have no idea why it was left out of the US editions. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 10:30:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:30:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4529 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter 2??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4492] Chapter 2??? Date: 7/18/00 6:30 am (ET) "Any volunteers to summarize and/or kick off the discussion?" I would be happy to start the discussion. If people are happy with this then I will post my message either later today or tomorrow. Simon From jen_lorin at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:10:00 2000 From: jen_lorin at yahoo.com (jen_lorin) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:10:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4530 From: jen_lorin Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4484] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 8:10 am (ET) Do you think that kids will start to lose enthusiasm for them, and that they will start to be more books geared for a teenager and adult audience? From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:19:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:19:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4531 From: triner2001 Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4495] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 8:19 am (ET) I was really tired when I wanted to share the theory concocted during my drive form the old house to the new house and didn't flesh out my theory as well has I had in the car. So, to clear up misconceptions... I think the familial relations between Harry & his favorite family are *extremely* distant, a common ancestor somewhere in ancient history, but the family split into 2 factions (Squibs married squibs, resulting in the creations of muggles, whereas the magicals married magicals, keeping the wizarding line "pure.") Of course some of the "Old Music" (to borrow a phrase from Madeline L'Engle) still sings in the occasional Muggle-born's blood, therefore creating the Muggle-born witch and wizards, like Hermione and Dean Thomas (he is the one with the West Ham poster, right? My books are still packed) So I still have hope that the Ginny-Harry thing could happen. Trina From vikar25 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:44:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:44:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4532 From: vikar25 Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4531] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 8:44 am (ET) After reading book 4, I think that JKR has other plans for Ginny other than Harry. Regards, Vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:50:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4533 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4531] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 8:50 am (ET) Hi: <<<I think the familial relations between Harry & his favorite family are *extremely* distant, a common ancestor somewhere in ancient history, but the family split into 2 factions>>> My comment about a familial relationship dashing young Ginny's hopes wasn't based so much on the thought that they are 1st cousins or anything. If they are related, I'm sure it's sufficiently far back that it wouldn't be a problem in that regard. It was just my way of emphasizing my opinion that Ginny has zero hopes at this point. <g> I think the fact that JKR has done nothing to develop her as a character in the last 2 books can be interpreted to mean that she's never going to be a strong enough character to be the hero's love interest. In other words, I believe if JKR hasn't done something with the character by now, I think it's safe to assume she isn't going to (and that Ginny will just remain a background figure who will hopefully get over her crush on her brother's best friend). I could be wrong, of course -- but I think we would have seen Ginny joining in more with the trio as an equal & we would have seen more of her character in general. My $.02 -- Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:53:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 & Charlie Weasley Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4534 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 2 & Charlie Weasley Date: 7/18/00 8:53 am (ET) Hi: Simon has volunteered to kick off Ch 2 discussions. Hopefully, he can also start off the Charlie conversation for the week. But, feel free to chime in with Ch 2 or Charlie comments anytime -- Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 12:55:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:55:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4535 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4530] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 8:55 am (ET) Jen_Lorin wrote: <Do you think that kids will start to lose enthusiasm for them, and that they will start to be more books geared for a teenager and adult audience?> I would have to say that the enthusiasm for these books will never wane. We have to realize that Ms. Rowling's intended audience from the very beginning is growing with these books. They are aging along with Harry and friends and will be able to continually empathize with him. As adults, we are all enjoying "watching" the kids grow and mature into their abilities. And once younger kids start reading the books, they'll start at the beginning, so the cycle will continue. Hopefully, these books will get passed down to younger brothers and sisters, and our children will all become avid readers. That's my hope, anyway. Voicelady BTW, Penny, if you had that entire list emailed to you, could you forward it along to me? I identified with every item that you posted if you can believe it... From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:10:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:10:00 -0400 Subject: Religion & HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4536 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Religion & HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4426] Religion & HP Date: 7/18/00 9:10 am (ET) Question: I seem to recall having read (in some interview) that JKR was involved in a presbyterian church while she was writing HP1. Does anyone else recall having read something in this vein? BTW, I would be nice to have a FAQ somewhere with links to all known JKR interviews on the web! From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:12:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:12:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4537 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4535] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 9:12 am (ET) I agree with VoiceLady. Penny, will you please forward the entire list to me as well? MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com OR MsBookTWorm at aol.com I clearly remember the premier of MTV. At the time, my mother worked for the cable company that aired it. We had a premiere party with bumber stickers and buttons. I can laugh now, but still appreciate the memory from my childhood. Who shot J.R.? My entire summer was ruined because of that cliffhanger! And yes, number 35 to the list... "All skate, change directions" Happy memories of skating at the local rink on Fridays AND Saturdays with my brother and friends. My brother passed away 5 years ago and these are my happy memories. Thanks so much, Penny! Do you think we would go back in time 10-15 years if given the opportunity? Read on... Melissa From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:17:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory (no spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4538 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: My Own Wild Theory (no spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4485] My Own Wild Theory (no spoilers) Date: 7/18/00 9:17 am (ET) That all makes sense. And JRK *has* said that we'll make some surprising discoveries about Lilly. But somehow, I think they'll be more than just being some class of Weasley. Funny: if only she (rather than Harry's father) had been dark haired, I would have guessed that she's related to the big V. But what if the accountant the Weasleys don't talk about is *Dursley*--and what if HE discovers he has magical powers?? (JKR said someone would!) Mike From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 13:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4539 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4535] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 9:53 am (ET) Hi: <<<Jen_Lorin wrote: <Do you think that kids will start to lose enthusiasm for them, and that they will start to be more books geared for a teenager and adult audience?> I agree with Voicelady that I don't think overall enthusiasm will wane -- I think they are destined to become classics. BTW, the NY Times review of GoF & the Newsweek review concur that they will be classics (so phooey on the USA Today review!!). I will make another Laura Ingalls Wilder analogy -- the "Little House" books are a 7 volume "coming of age" series as well (I'm discounting "Farmer Boy" about her husband and "First Four Years" which was published posthumously). They were written in the 1930s and 1940s, so in 1973 when I was 8 yrs old, I could read all 7 volumes. I read all of them at age 8-9, but I didn't care for the later volumes as much -- couldn't identify with the 17 yr old Laura nearly so well as the mischevious 9 yr old Laura in Book 3. But, I did read them & love them, and re-reading them at an older age, I appreciated the later volumes much more. With HP, I think there is another issue with all 7 volumes being available to younger readers. If Book 4 is any indication, then the tone will only get darker & more "adult." Harry isn't just getting older as in my Laura example. He's facing more "adult" situations (or at least it seems that's where JKR is headed). In contrast, the 17 yr old Laura was just as "innocent" as the 8 yr old Laura in the earlier books. So, I do think some parents may be concerned about having a younger child get hooked into the series once all 7 volumes are just sitting there. Not to say that all 8-12 yr old kids won't be able to read all 7 HP books in one gulp, but I think it's likely that they won't *all* be able to handle it. Jen had also asked earlier if we think the books will become more dark & adult in tone -- I guess my response above answers that question for you. My opinion is that this volume was overall darker, and the kids are definitely teenagers now, so the humour & situations are getting less appropriate for young young kids (8 yrs & younger). IMHO anyway. I don't know if *any* of this made sense - <g> Penny From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 14:19:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:19:00 -0400 Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4540 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4506] Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoiler) Date: 7/18/00 10:19 am (ET) S P O I L E R S >>> 3. Will Snape, Draco or any of the Dursleys ever change for the better? I have this nagging feeling that Draco might (It would add dimension to the story -- Voldemort kills Draco's parents in front of him and Harry saves his life. I think if this happens, it would make things a little more intriguing). >>> Now *that* is an interesting theory...and it's very possible that something will happen to Lucius Malfoy. After all, in GoF, we've seen that Voldemort isn't exactly the "merciful" master the Death Eaters think he is. Perhaps Lucius will screw up one day, Voldemort kills him, and Draco becomes consumed with the need for revenge against Voldemort and allys himself with Harry and the rest. I would also be tickled if Draco got himself into a nasty situation and was saved by *Hermione.* Wouldn't that just irk the Malfoys -- to owe a debt of gratitude to a Muggle-born? Hehehe...kind of like Snape owning a debt of gratitude to James Potter. :) Something else I wanted to address was the question of who was killed first -- James or Lily. When James comes out of the wand, doesn't he say something to Harry like, "Hold on, your mother is coming. She wants to see you."? Did James think Harry was surprised to see him first? Or did James and Lily "switch places" inside the wand, so James would come out first and help distract Voldemort so Lily could tell Harry how to escape? -- JoAnna From harrypotter4life at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 14:42:00 2000 From: harrypotter4life at yahoo.com (harrypotter4life) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Subject: Quitting! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4541 From: harrypotter4life Subject: Quitting! Date: 7/18/00 10:42 am (ET) I thought I would be good here in this club because of how many members you had and everyhthing but since no one pays attention to a kid in an adult club I guess I gotta quit! From sage016 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 15:04:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Quitting! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4542 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Quitting! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4541] Quitting! Date: 7/18/00 11:04 am (ET) nah, dont quit. Just post more :) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 15:45:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:45:00 -0400 Subject: Jeopardy Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4543 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Jeopardy Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4522] Jeopardy Question Date: 7/18/00 11:45 am (ET) The motto can also be seen at the warner brothers' store at http://www.wb.com - order it on a tshirt or mug! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 15:59:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4544 From: heiditandy Subject: RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Reply To: [Yahoo! #4487] RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/18/00 11:59 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<But, you do make a good point about prior incantatum being the reverse *spells* that were done -- so the spell that killed Lily was, it would seem, cast *before* the spell that killed James, regardless of which one of them *died* first. I hadn't picked up on that yet, but I'm not that far in the re-read so I forgive myself. <g> >>> <SNIP> This is all very interesting . . . .I have more questions than answers now>>>>> Believe me, if you did a reread of book one, you'd ahve even more questions - in the room with the Mirror or Erised, Voldemort tells Harry that his father was killed before his mother was, which makes the whole Order of Coming Out Of The Wand even more baffling. The only way I can think to reconcile it is that the order in which they come out is the order in which the spells were done, not the order in which people actually died. Then again, maybe JKR will come up with some explanation that Harry's survival of whatever Voldemort tried to do to him jumbled the way things went into the wand - it had to've because otherwise there could've been a shadow of the spell he did on Harry in there which backfired on himself. This leads, of course, to 2 other questions: 1. Can a Prior Incantium only be done once? 2. How can we think it was the Avada curse which Voldemort did against Harry & Parents, when it also destroyed the house, whereas on the other occasions when it's been done (to the Riddles & to the spider) it didn't cause any damage to the surrounding stuff? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 16:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Subject: An email received.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4545 From: GypsyCaine Subject: An email received.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4530] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 12:05 pm (ET) In one of my emails, this was a side bar. Thought I would plop it into the club. Sites About "Harry Potter" 1 The Hogwarts Express http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=1&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 2 Scholastic: Harry Potter http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=2&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 3 Harry Potter Books http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=3&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 4 Harry Potter Facts & Fun http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=4&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 5 Harry Potter Fan Club http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=5&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 6 Muggles for Harry Potter http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=6&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 7 Harry and Me http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=7&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 8 HP Message Board http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=8&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 9 Wonderful World of HP http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=9&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa=0 &e=H 10 What's Next for HP http://ww1.lfmn.com/actv/sr2.asp?u=3086109&v=6493&url=10&c=37671&pr=501&cf=1&pa= 0&e=H From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 16:08:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:08:00 -0400 Subject: An email received.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4546 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: An email received.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4545] An email received.... Date: 7/18/00 12:08 pm (ET) This came from a place called: Lifeminders, and I am not certain if you as a club and individuals have posted any of those, but I thought that sharing wouldn't be a bad thing. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 16:12:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILER) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4547 From: heiditandy Subject: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILER) Date: 7/18/00 12:12 pm (ET) S P O I L E R C A D O O L A M I D G E I C A B O O L A I took a Harry Potter break yesterday (SHOCK!) and reread a little of Katherine Neville's The Eight (which I highly recommend to any adult or older teen reading HP books, especially those who like chess) and I figured out where Beauxbatons HAS to be - the Bas Pyrenees - they're a mountain range in the south of france/north of spain - the tiny, autonomous principality of Andorra lies among its peaks, and most importantly, historically, they've been called THE MAGIC MOUNTAINS. From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 16:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4548 From: Danemead Subject: RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Reply To: [Yahoo! #4544] RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/18/00 12:53 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E A N D M O R E S P A C E >>>>>2. How can we think it was the Avada curse which Voldemort did against Harry & Parents, when it also destroyed the house, whereas on the other occasions when it's been done (to the Riddles & to the spider) it didn't cause any damage to the surrounding stuff? <<<<< Harry remembers the green light which is characteristic of the curse. Plus, it's the quickest, neatest way to eliminate a person -- Voldemort already used it on his father & grandparents. I think the destruction of the house had to do with the effect of the Avada Kedavra curse rebounding onto Voldemort - remember it actually destroyed his body. Speaking of rebounds, Harry ought to work on figuring a way to transform a ring or bracelet into a mirrored shield to reflect curses -- just shout the magic word DEFLECTO!! and it bounces back onto the perpetrator.... ########## Coming soon: "Harry Potter and the Enchanted Brothel" -- in which Harry 'becomes a man', and later on saves Hermione from a life of degradation with the help of Winky, the House Elf of Ill Repute. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 16:53:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4549 From: pt4ever Subject: RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Reply To: [Yahoo! #4544] RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/18/00 12:53 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> 2. How can we think it was the Avada curse which Voldemort did against Harry & Parents, when it also destroyed the house, whereas on the other occasions when it's been done (to the Riddles & to the spider) it didn't cause any damage to the surrounding stuff? >>> My opinion is that the damage to the Potter house was due to either (a) Voldemort trying to get to the Potters (i.e. a "Let me in or I'll blow your house down" sort of thing) or (b) the curse backfiring on Voldemort. Not only did it cause Voldemort to disappear, but it also destroyed the house, perhaps because of the power behind it? -- JoAnna From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 17:30:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: USA Today 7/18 Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4550 From: prof_nellup Subject: USA Today 7/18 Article Date: 7/18/00 1:30 pm (ET) There's an interesting article in today's edition of USA Today regarding HP merchandising. Read it online: http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000718/2464834s.htm ~Val~ From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 17:47:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: Animated TV series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4551 From: Skimble7 Subject: Re: Animated TV series Reply To: [Yahoo! #4509] Animated TV series Date: 7/18/00 1:47 pm (ET) They could use the artists and writers that post to the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club site. They have on illustrator there named Tealin who is fantastic. Real "Disneyesque" style. And the fan fiction is the best. From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 18:09:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: Tired of all the Criticism Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4552 From: Skimble7 Subject: Re: Tired of all the Criticism Reply To: [Yahoo! #4468] Re: Tired of all the Criticism Date: 7/18/00 2:09 pm (ET) I live in Connecticut, USA and of course our local paper had the "Harry" spread the Friday before the book hit the street. It included all the good things and the required "Nay Sayers" article. The cool part about the anti-Harry groups included quotes from a Congregational minister who had just finished a week long conference at the state church camp all about Harry and all the good and Godly things the books teach kids. You can read the article at http://204.249.169.5/archive/1yr3.htm From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 19:12:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: My Own Wild Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4553 From: davehoz Subject: RE: My Own Wild Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4517] RE: My Own Wild Theory Date: 7/18/00 3:12 pm (ET) In Louisa May Alcott's _Rose In Bloom_, the title character marries her first cousin, and there's even an implication that her ancestors have been likewise marrying near relatives "to keep the property in the family" for centuries. And when one of Rose's other cousins breaks with this tradition and falls deeply in love with "a nobody from the poorhouse", the family's matriarchs go Malfoy-ballistic. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 19:26:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:26:00 -0400 Subject: Ron and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4554 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Ron and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #4521] Ron and Hermione Date: 7/18/00 3:26 pm (ET) <<Hermione: Greek. Female version of Hermes, the messanger of the Gods>> PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong - as I always thought this idea always fit well into the plot (if I'm mistaken, maybe not!) I always thought Hermione was the Greek "Messenger of the Earth" while Hermes, her brother was the Greek "Messenger of the Gods" I don't know where I got that from though, so I REALLY could be very wrong. I just thought it nice as Hermione is the "messenger" from the "muggle earth" - always talking about differences between the muggle and magical worlds... Anyway, as I said, I could be wrong! Anna From timjlittle at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 20:30:00 2000 From: timjlittle at yahoo.com (timjlittle) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4555 From: timjlittle Subject: RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Reply To: [Yahoo! #4544] RE: A few Comments . . . SPOILER WARNING Date: 7/18/00 4:30 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E With the discussion on the order Harry's Father + Mother come out of V's wand, isn't it possible that Harry himself had some control on the order? That the wands sensed him wanting it to be his Father next and responded to that? From shari23518 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 21:24:00 2000 From: shari23518 at yahoo.com (shari23518) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:24:00 -0400 Subject: A different tone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4556 From: shari23518 Subject: Re: A different tone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4530] Re: A different tone Date: 7/18/00 5:24 pm (ET) I doubt that the enthusiasm for HP will die simply because those 10yr olds that book one was written for will age, just as Harry does. The only problem I see is that the books are coming out quicker than the intendend audience is. I'd hate to see the time between new books grow, but the young audience needs a change to mature so they thoroughly understand what is really happening to Harry. By this I mean the essence of Harry... not simply the things that he does and what happpens to him, but his though processes. I think that is where the kids will truely learn from Harry. Literature is a blueprint of life... and Harry is a prime example of how a young boy grows up without a family. This is great because there are too many children out there that are missing one or both of their parents. Harry has common sense and uses it. Hopefully the young audience that is reading HP will catch on and use theirs! From jrobertm at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 21:42:00 2000 From: jrobertm at yahoo.com (jrobertm) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:42:00 -0400 Subject: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4557 From: jrobertm Subject: Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Reply To: [Yahoo! #4004] Re: Exchange rate, Galleons to Dollars Date: 7/18/00 5:42 pm (ET) Well the closest approximation in the relative value of the three denominations would be penny, quarter, $5 dollar bill. There are 498 kunts to a galleon and 500 pennies to a 5 dollar bill. there are 29 knuts to a sickle and 25 pennies to a quarter. There are 17 sickles to a galleon and 20 quarters to a 5 dollar bill. So that's one way to think about it. Of course this means Crookshanks cost $50! From drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:18:00 2000 From: drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com (drdavid_h_waser) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Isn't this true to life? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4558 From: drdavid_h_waser Subject: Isn't this true to life? Date: 7/18/00 7:18 pm (ET) Just picked up The Sorcerer's Stone and love it. I have a nosey neighbor just like Mrs. Dursley, "thin and blonde and had nearly twice the usual amoung of neck, which came in very useful as she spent so much of her time craning over garden fences, spying on the neighbors." Any of you others have problem neighbors like that? Harry Potter helps us to laugh about the siutation, rather than lamenting it. David From drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:22:00 2000 From: drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com (drdavid_h_waser) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Plenty of Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4559 From: drdavid_h_waser Subject: Plenty of Harry Potter Date: 7/18/00 7:22 pm (ET) Sorry about this second post, but it may help some of you. All the book stores here are out of HP, but I found a copy at Virginia Tech in the bookstore. In fact, a whole shelf of them. So, if you live in SW Virginia, try VT for your copy! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:51:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4560 From: hert0661 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 7:51 pm (ET) I have been asked to start the chapter 2 discussion. After the spoiler warning there follows a short summary of chapter 2 and then a few points that came to mind. S P O I L E R S P A C E Chapter 2 is where we first meet Harry in book 4. It is also a mere 9 pages long (well this is true for the UK edition) and is nearly the shortest of the book (I believe that chapter 32, at 7 pages, is the shortest). Chapter 1 finished with Voldemort killing Frank Bryce which resulted in the waking of Harry. We then have the quick description of his physcial appearance - skinny 14 year old with bright green eyes, untidy black hair and 'The Scar'. He then tries to remember the dream he has just been having and what it means. We follow this with a quick look round his room in the house in Privet Drive, ending with the worry that the scar last hurt when Voldemort was nearby. Next we are told about the Dursley's and that Voldemort is the reason why Harry is living with them. Following on to a quick reminder of how he found out about who he is and about Hogwarts. We move onto Harry's thoughts of what he should do abouit his scar hurting and his 'dream'. We see him thinking about the reaction he would get from Ron and Hermione if he told them. This is used to tell us about the character traits of Ron and Hermione and introduces the Weasley family. Then Harry comes up with the solution of writing to Sirius, his godfather. We are reminded quickly of the events of PoA and Sirius' escape, probably to somewhere tropical and a quick mention of Hedwig being elsewhere. Harry finishes the chapter by getting dressed for breakfast, without looking at himself in the mirror. This chapter left me with a few questions! Feel free to answer any of these or discuss the points this chapter raised for you. Why was chapter 1 in the book at all? Why not follow CoS and PoA with the first chapter being Harry's birthday and then moving onto the dream? Does Harry ever have a decent nights sleep? Why does he avoid looking at himself while getting dressed? Do we need all this description of the main characters? Are we meant to believe that anyone would try and start the series with book 4? Could anyone read this book with no knowledge of the first three? Sorry the questions go a bit beyond the chapter at hand, but they were just some thoughts I had. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:51:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Character discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4561 From: hert0661 Subject: Character discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 7:51 pm (ET) This will be a discussion of Charlie Weasley. In it I will refer to PS and GoF. I believe there is no mention of him in either CoS or PoA (if this is incorrect then feel free to correct me). Hopefully the message is coherent, it is 1am and I have been up since 8am (which is far too early for a student during his holiday)! S P O I L E R S P A C E In PS (chapter 6) we get told that Charlie has already been through his education at Hogwarts. During his time their he was one of the best seekers that have ever played for Gryffindor, and was the team Quidditch captain. He has given Ron his old wand. We are then told that Charlie is in Romania studying dragons. In chapter 8 Hagrid says that Charlie is great with animals. He pops up again in chapter 14 as the solution to the problem of Norbert. Charlie is short and stocky, with the trademark Weasley flaming red hair. Harry recognizes him by the blisters and calluses on his hand. He has a broad, good-natured face, which was weather beaten and so freckly that he looked almost tanned. Muscly arms, with a large, shiny burn on one (chapter 5). We then go outside, where Bill and Charlie are 'setting up the tables for dinner'. The fighting with the tables shows that Charlie is maybe not as magically gifted as Bill but shares the twins sense of humour and enjoyment of life. We also see his love of Quidditch. We learn that Charlie failed his first apparation test (chapter 6). Before going back to a Quidditch discussion in chapter 8 and then onto helping the ministry in chapter 9 and that he snores! He is next seen in chapter 19 when we meet the dragons. We see that he knows Hagrid thoughts when the dragon eggs are seen and his knowledge of the dragons. His last appearance in the book is in chapter 20 where he congratulates Harry and then runs off to send an owl to Molly to put her mind at ease. This leaves the rest of you with the task of discussing Charlie. Simon From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 00:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:52:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4562 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4560] Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 8:52 pm (ET) Hi: This is the spoiler warning for those who still need it -- la dee da, la dee da. Hopefully, this is enough text to not be a problem for anyone. Here goes S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<Why was chapter 1 in the book at all? Why not follow CoS and PoA with the first chapter being Harry's birthday and then moving onto the dream?>> Well, it makes the point that it's not *just* a dream. I think it was also a powerful statement that this book is a change in tone; it's not starting out with Harry's birthday & miseries with the Dursleys as usual. Perhaps also it's a sign that the books are being geared to an older audience. All guesses on my part. <<Does Harry ever have a decent nights sleep?>>> I wondered why he doesn't dream about Voldy & Wormtail again -- why did he have a dream/premonition about Frank Bryce's murder (and why not about the doings of Voldy & gang later on in the book)? <<Why does he avoid looking at himself while getting dressed?>>> I have no guesses on this one. Maybe he doesn't want to see the worry that's in his eyes? <<<Do we need all this description of the main characters? Are we meant to believe that anyone would try and start the series with book 4? Could anyone read this book with no knowledge of the first three?>>> No, no and no. <g> I really hope this stuff can be drastically cut down or eliminated in Book 5. It's this sort of thing that might keep the books being labeled "children's books" forever, even as Harry clearly ages into adolescence & adulthood. I do think this book includes less of this basic background info than the previous 3, but I could have lived with even less of it myself. Oh, I don't mean to imply by my above comments that I think it's a bad thing if the HP series is considered a "children's series." But, I do think the books are appealing more & more to an older audience and that the latter 4 books (possibly the latter 5 books) could one day be considered more adult (or at least 12 & up). But, the background info in each book is getting tiresome and is a technique that I think is probably more common to young children's books. I have adult friends who didn't read them in order (one person read Book 3 first -- which might be a good thing since men seem to like that one the best in general). He then read Books 1 & 2. Another friend read Book 2 first, then 1, and then 3. They said it worked okay, but they wished they'd read them in the proper order. I don't really see how anyone could pick up Book 4 and fully "get it" without reading the other 3 though. Penny From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 01:42:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4563 From: msbooktworm Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4562] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 9:42 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E + + + + + I found the first 2 chapters of GoF somewhat repetitive. I kept telling myself, "I know this already, Jo." My thought, (for what it is worth), is that it is a foundation for those who have not read the first three and are beginning the series with GoF. I know it is mind boggling, but I am certain that there are people doing that. I am not sure how I feel about this. Should Jo write for the readers who have always followed the books or begin to cater to those who pick up the latest book and begin the series at that point and require a quick character and story run-down? Does anyone else feel this way? I for one do not need reminders at the beginning of her books. I like it when a story has the reader jumping in feet first and getting right into it. Read on... Melissa From oldhermionefan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 01:53:00 2000 From: oldhermionefan at yahoo.com (oldhermionefan) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:53:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks for the suggestions about uk, but Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4564 From: oldhermionefan Subject: Thanks for the suggestions about uk, but Date: 7/18/00 9:53 pm (ET) Do y'all know any sources for the uk editions, where you do not need a credit card(don't have one), maybe someplace in canada???? old hermione fan From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 01:57:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4565 From: Danemead Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 9:57 pm (ET) S P O I L E R * * * * * * * * What do you think is going on with Harry being present at Voldemort's house in a dream state? Is is Astral Traveling, Lucid Dreaming, or Out-of-Body Experiences? This new ability of Harry's has some intriguing possibilities - with him being able to "spy" on Voldemort in dreams (he does it again later in the book - Chapter 29). If this is some kind of power that can be developed in the next 3 books, it will be interesting to see whether Voldemort becomes aware he's being watched. I wonder just how many more unknown powers Harry has. [As an aside, I'm still wondering why Moody/Crouch deliberately trained Harry to resist the Imperius Curse. It's almost like he wants to make it harder for Voldemort. We'll never know now, thanks to Fudge and the Dementor.] From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 01:57:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4566 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4562] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 9:57 pm (ET) First a little bit of spoiler space before a quick comment * * * * * <<Why does he avoid looking at himself while getting dressed?>>> It seems to me that Harry tries to avoid looking at his scar, not just because it is a constant reminder of his painful past, but also because he gets so much unwanted attention from it when others notice it and realize who he is. Harry is a humble kid who'd surely prefer a lot less notoriety. He'd probably keep the scar hidden under his bangs if he could, but given the unruliness of his hair he realizes the futility in trying. Actually, Harry's unmanageable hair itself might add to his avoidance of the mirror. ~Val~ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 02:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4567 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4563] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 10:00 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Should Jo write for the readers who have always followed the books or begin to cater to those who pick up the latest book and begin the series at that point and require a quick character and story run-down?>>> I think she should start writing the books assuming that we all know who Harry is and how he came to have a lightning-bolt shaped scar on his forehead and how he came to live with the Dursleys, etc. If people are dumb enough to try to start the series with Book 4, well, then, too bad for them. <g> Seriously, I don't think she should cater to the uninitiated HP reader. Enough with the background stuff already! Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 02:01:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4568 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4566] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 10:01 pm (ET) S P O I L E R * * * * * * * * * * <<Why does he avoid looking at himself while getting dressed?>>> He's also going into adolescence, where you either spend all your time looking at yourself in the mirror, or all your time AVOIDING looking at yourself in the mirror. Major body image problems - remember the agony of changing into a completely different person over the course of a few months or years? From echomyst at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 02:18:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4569 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4567] Background Material in HP Date: 7/18/00 10:18 pm (ET) <<<If people are dumb enough to try to start the series with Book 4, well, then, too bad for them <g> >>> <<<Enough with the background stuff already!>>> It's a bit harsh saying people are "dumb" to try to start in the middle of the series (because I guess there *are* people who are curious and who tried to start in the middle). But it's true that it's boring reading background info in every single book--I just skip them! =) Emily From brp13 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 02:26:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:26:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4570 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4565] Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 10:26 pm (ET) S P O I L E R * * * * * * * * Harry, weither or not he knows it, is probably one of the most powerful wizards alive. He still needs the skills, basic spells and such, but if he was a bookworm like Hermione, well, it'd be scary... He would probably be like the most powerful good wizard, at least a close second to Dumbledoor. He probably trained him to avoid the curse because otherwise he would be caught. Harry has an almost unnatural ability to resist spells. Especially coming from evil people... Well, just my $.02. From prof_nellup at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 02:58:00 2000 From: prof_nellup at yahoo.com (prof_nellup) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:58:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4571 From: prof_nellup Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4567] Background Material in HP Date: 7/18/00 10:58 pm (ET) I don't think it's particularly uncommon for authors who are writing a series of books to insert background information into each book as they are written. I enjoy reading fantasy writer Anne McCaffrey's books. In each of the many books in her Dragonriders of Pern series, she manages to give a synopsis of what has occurred since the first book. Before I realized it was a series, I read one of the Pern books out of order. The background helped me understand who was who and what was what. After that, although I read them in order, after about six of them (I think there are twelve in the series so far), I didn't mind being refreshed especially about the many characters. Didn't Brian Jacques do the same thing in his Redwall Abbey series? I think most people would like to read the HP books in sequence, but unless they've purchased them, borrowing the books in order from friends or the library might be difficult. Thats just IMHO. `Val~ From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 03:02:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4572 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4563] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/18/00 11:02 pm (ET) This reminds me of something that happened a few weeks ago. I had just goteen COS on CD and had played the first disk at an older friends house. After it was over, I gave him a short quiz of easy questions (who is Harry's friend, etc.) and he MISSED EVERY ONE! So yes, some people do need recaps. From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 03:27:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: 14 Books ?? from JKR ?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4573 From: p_dumbledore Subject: 14 Books ?? from JKR ?? Date: 7/18/00 11:27 pm (ET) Hey, I found this web page, and the writer indicates that there will be 14 Harry Potter books. Maybe this writer has double vision ?? http://www.wizardworld.com/inpower/harry_potter_mattel.html Talks about Mattel and the upcomming Harry Potter Toys, etc. Dennis SPOILER SPACE I seem to recall that Harry Asked Dumbledore about his dreams and thought I remembered him telling Harry that in some instances when the evil was really strong he might have the dreams or flashbacks? Maybe I dreamed this ?? ha! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 04:03:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4574 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4565] Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 12:03 am (ET) S P O I L E R I remembered something else I wanted to point out... Harry is "magically connected" to Voldemort AND Wormtail. There is some kind of psychic bond that Harry feels in his scar when V. is near. And in PoA, Dumbledore tells Harry that by saving Pettigrew's life, he has created a strong magical bond with him. And since V. has recreated his body using flesh from Pettigrew and blood from Harry, he's actually tied himself to the two of them as well. Just had another thought... that flesh and blood stuff -- reminds me in an icky way of the Catholic Church ceremony of the Eucharist - recreating the body and blood of Christ. URF! Let's not get into that.... From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 04:14:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:14:00 -0400 Subject: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4575 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4540] Re: Things To Ponder About(Possible Spoi Date: 7/19/00 12:14 am (ET) I guess it depends on whether the "echos" of Harry's parents *are* his parents (i.e. ghosts) and so have free will, or are just mindless "simulations". This leads me to something else I've always wondered: Did the "memory" of Tom Riddle have free will, or was simply a sort of "hologram" programmed by Voldemort to simulate his sixteen-year-old self? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 04:48:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Character discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4576 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Character discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4561] Character discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 12:48 am (ET) how much longer do we have to keep using these spoiler spaces? Doesnt someone (Oliver Wood?) say that Charlie Weasley was such a good Quidditch player that he could have played for England if he hadnt gone off to chase dragons? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 04:59:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:59:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4577 From: joywitch999 Subject: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 12:59 am (ET) OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect? And if Harry and Hermione are made prefects, will Ron be upset? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 05:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:51:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4578 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4562] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 1:51 am (ET) a bit of space, just in case i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i <<<Do we need all this description of the main characters? Are we meant to believe that anyone would try and start the series with book 4? Could anyone read this book with no knowledge of the first three?>>> Hmmmm. Although it's not really required, I've grown to accept the preamble as a briefing for new readers and a reminder for old hands. Each book is a self-contained story, so it's feasible that someone might read one in isolation. Of course, 'once you've eaten one, you have to devour the rest'. Like a box of chocolates with progressively more inviting fillings. I agree with Penny that the recap device is commonly used in children's books, especially as, in this case, most of the information is stated rather baldly at the start of every new scene. I sense that JKR is either getting bored with doing it or is lessening it gradually as a way of bringing the books into a more adult framework. Another technique sometimes used in books is to list the regular 'cast' and synopsis at the front of the book, like the transcript of a play. Perhaps that would make more sense... Neil PS - JKR could hire Simon to do that :) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 06:12:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:12:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4579 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4565] Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 2:12 am (ET) spoiler u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u <<What do you think is going on with Harry being present at Voldemort's house in a dream state?>> When I read "a teenage boy, a stranger, dark-haired and pale" had been seen by Frank Bryce, hanging around outside the Riddle house, I thought it *must* be Harry. Then I thought 'we're *supposed* to think it's Harry'. Then I thought 'it was Tom Riddle Jnr!', because someone suggested it. Then I thought 'you're thinking too much'. I return to the obvious thought: This was Harry, bilocating and time travelling in his sleep; Chapter 1 wasn't a dream, it was a remote viewing by Harry of actual events. Harry's abilities are far beyond those of the average person or the average wizard. Remote viewing and bilocation are not fantasy and JKR has established a precedent for time-travelling in her 'world' with the time-turner. Still, that Tom Riddle Jnr theory is still the most likely. :) Neil PS - or could it have been James Potter? Okay, it happened 50 years ago.... er, do wiazrds have a normal, human life-span? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 08:02:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:02:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions (SPOILERS) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4580 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions (SPOILERS) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4577] Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 4:02 am (ET) S P O I L E R S Okay here are some of the events I predict will happen on Book 5: Sure things: 1. Lupin will definitely return. Quite possible: 1. A stronger romantic atmosphere between Ron and Hermione will happen (and also Harry with either Cho or Ginny). 2. Snape and/or Karkaroff will die. (Voldemort mentions this possibility when he returned). 3. Either Fudge or Dumbledore will get kicked out of their position. 4. Sirius Black clears his name and adopts Harry. Pure Speculation: 1. If my theory is correct, Draco Malfoy might change for the better in this book if Voldemort murders his parents. 2. Dudley dies of a heart/diabetes attack or gets very sick. The Dursley'll change. 3. The Creevey brothers will play are slightly larger role in this one. 4. Snape finally gets the D.A.D.A. teaching position. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:15:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:15:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4581 From: angelx_ph Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 8:15 am (ET) Here is the article on all the Harry Potter casting rumors: http://filmforce.ign.com/news/1178.html Reactions? From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:17:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:17:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - NO SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4582 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - NO SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4563] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 8:17 am (ET) I think that, by repeating basic info from the previous books, it helps to refresh the memories of the kiddies reading them. Remember, these ARE written for children, no matter how enjoyable they are to adults. My brother, for example, read book one two years ago, and is just now starting on book three. He reads slowly because he's just a kid, and he doesn't have a chance to read much during the school year because of homework and such. To kids like this, the little reminders are nice so they can...I don't know...get their bearings in the book. That's my theory, anyway. Tori From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:24:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:24:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4583 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4568] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 8:24 am (ET) Hi, all! Hey, only 26 messages since I looked at the board yesterday afternoon. Seems like we're getting ourselves back under control! <G> S P O I L E R S P A C E <<Why does he avoid looking at himself while getting dressed?>> My very first thought when I read that passage, is that he avoids looking at himself simply to help him forget that he *is* the Great Harry Potter. What a terrible burden for him. I'm sure that he'd like more than anything just to be a normal 14 year old kid. And let's face it, 14 is not so far away from being a ittle boy. From mellypf at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:38:00 2000 From: mellypf at yahoo.com (mellypf) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:38:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4584 From: mellypf Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Reply To: [Yahoo! #4581] Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 8:38 am (ET) What is with this insistence on casting an American in the lead role??? After all, we're *buying* these books (in droves) in which the lead character is British...why do they think we won't go see the movie unless an American is cast? As an American, I'll be very upset if Harry Potter is not played by a British actor. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 12:56:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4585 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4567] Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 8:56 am (ET) Penny, I agree. As one who is stillllllllllll waiting on HP 1 to arrive (it's been shipped on the 16th, and was supposed to be here yesterday but officially the 20th thru the 23rd, grr), I understand the concept. If you want to read a series, you always start at the beginning. It's not like the books aren't available anywhere in town. Mine came from Amazon due to lack of car, and the price wasn't bad (9.97), Yahoo auctions have them up daily (have an alert called Harry Potter, and it pulls up realllly interesting things, like a coffee mug this morning, and the t-shirts yesterday), and local bookstores (although I haven't checked) should have them in stock, or the availability to back-order them. There is no excuse to start in the middle. (It's a real temptation to though!) Dee From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:31:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:31:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4586 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4585] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 9:31 am (ET) The coffee mugs & t shirts which people auction on ebay, amazon & yahoo all come from the wanrer bros store on the net at http://www.wb.com From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:44:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4587 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Reply To: [Yahoo! #4584] Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 9:44 am (ET) They didn't cast an American, and it doesn't look like they're going to. The whole Liam Aiken thing turned out to be incorrect. It appears that they're definitely going British. Though I guess we won't know for sure til they officially cast somebody. Hey, has anybody whined about the idea of Rosie O' as Mrs. Weasley? She ain't British. . . From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:50:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:50:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4588 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4571] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 9:50 am (ET) And in Julian May's various Remillard serieses - and in those books, they're very necessary since they move like a, oh what's it called, a Rembus strip? Rhombus strip? The thing where you travel on both sides of a strip of paper without lifting your finger while going in a circle? The only long series I can think of where it's not done is in Little House on the Praire - and even there, she puts little "remember" bits throughout the later books - references back to the Big Woods or Plum Creek. Can I get more offtopic? sorry : ) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:53:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks for the suggestions about uk, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4589 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Thanks for the suggestions about uk, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4564] Thanks for the suggestions about uk, but Date: 7/19/00 9:53 am (ET) <<Do y'all know any sources for the uk editions, where you do not need a credit card(don't have one), maybe someplace in canada????>> You can pay on Amazon using a check or money order - good luck! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4590 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/19/00 9:53 am (ET) Hi: Joywitch raised this question a few days ago -- and it's still in my inbox. Imagine. Anyway . . . here's the spoiler space. Heed the Spoiler Warning. Hopefully this is enough. Okay, here goes S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<Chapter 2.... have we been discussing Chapter 1 for a whole week already? Did anyone ever figure out what the hell Voldy was talking about in Chapter 1 when he said that one more murder and his path to Harry would be clear? I have assumed that he was refering to Crouch Sr., but that Wormtail convinced him to keep Crouch alive for awhile so that people wouldnt get suspicious.>>> I'm just glad I'm not the only one who's still confused on this point. The only murder that would truly "clear the path to Harry Potter" is Dumbledore, isn't it? I'm not so sure *how* Crouch Sr.'s murder would "clear the path" to Harry. But, that does *seem* to be the one they were referring to (Crouch Sr. that is). Puzzling. Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:55:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:55:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4591 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4588] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 9:55 am (ET) Could it be a Moebius strip? (Prolly spelled that wrong!) He was a mathematician who discovered the sideways figure 8 theory. Haven't had a chance to investigate his life further--but I have always wanted to ever since reading Necroscope by Brian Lumley. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 13:59:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4592 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4591] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 9:59 am (ET) Yes, thank you! And I can happily get back on topic now : ) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 14:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:05:00 -0400 Subject: Character discussion - Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4593 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Character discussion - Reply To: [Yahoo! #4576] Re: Character discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 10:05 am (ET) Hi: <<<Doesnt someone (Oliver Wood?) say that Charlie Weasley was such a good Quidditch player that he could have played for England if he hadnt gone off to chase dragons?>>> Yes, and I LOVE that line! I find it so funny for some reason -- have used it as a signature "quote" from Sorcerer's Stone before. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 14:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:11:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4594 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4577] Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 10:11 am (ET) Hi: <<<OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect?>>> Well, with Harry's known "disregard for rules," I'm not so sure he's the best candidate for prefect. And, he's not the top scholar in terms of marks. I think Hermione probably is a natural choice, although I wonder if her close association with Harry & Ron (and her own rule-breaking because of them) might hurt her chances of that. Maybe our UK members can say whether each house would have more than 2 prefects per yr (Years 5-7)? Or, is it 6 prefects per House, one or more of whom may be Head Boy or Head Girl? Or, would there have to be 2 from each year or is it more likely that there is a set number (say 6 or 8), and they get chosen from the 5-7 yrs as a group? So many questions . . . <<<And if Harry and Hermione are made prefects, will Ron be upset?>>> I don't think we've seen the end of Ron's jealousy, even if neither Harry nor Hermione gets made a prefect. But, if they were both made prefects, my guess is that he would think it was amusing (but be secretly somewhat upset by it as well). Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 14:20:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: Moebius Strip.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4595 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Moebius Strip.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4592] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 10:20 am (ET) http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_know/moebius.html about the strip,thanks for the push to investigate! Now, if I can just find any information about A.F.Moebius on the net, I will be fine! Everything in the engines is about the comic strip, or the syndrome. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 14:26:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:26:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4596 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4594] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 10:26 am (ET) <<OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect?>> I wouldn't be surprised if the male prefect turns out to be Ron. What a wonderful way for him to finally get his chance in the spotlight? From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 14:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:49:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4597 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4591] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 10:49 am (ET) A M'bius band. Augustus M'bius was a student of Gauss and was around from 1790 to 1868. The M'bius band is the simplist example of a non-orientable surface. As with all mathematicians of that era, he was interested in serveral areas of mathematics and his work on geometrical transformations is very impressive. This, and further gemotrical ideas from mathematicians (such as Klein and Gauss) formed part of my course last year. It is complex mathematics that is very easy to visulise. Simon From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:06:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4598 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4590] RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/19/00 11:06 am (ET) > Joywitch raised this question a few days ago -- and it's still in my > inbox. Imagine. Anyway . . . here's the spoiler space. Heed the > Spoiler Warning. Hopefully this is enough. Okay, here goes > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > <<<Chapter 2.... have we been discussing Chapter 1 for a whole week > already? Did anyone ever figure out what the hell Voldy was talking > about in Chapter 1 when he said that one more murder and his path to > Harry would be clear? I have assumed that he was refering to Crouch > Sr., but that Wormtail convinced him to keep Crouch alive for awhile > so that people wouldnt get suspicious.>>> > > I'm just glad I'm not the only one who's still confused on this point. > The only murder that would truly "clear the path to Harry Potter" is > Dumbledore, isn't it? I'm not so sure *how* Crouch Sr.'s murder would > "clear the path" to Harry. But, that does *seem* to be the one they > were referring to (Crouch Sr. that is). Puzzling. > Perhaps the Big V was talking about the abduction of the real Moody. Just like Bertha, they kept him alive while they needed him, but he was going to be a dead man as soon as the plan was finished. That crime definitely cleared the path to Harry. From pixney at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:06:00 2000 From: pixney at yahoo.com (pixney) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4599 From: pixney Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4565] Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 11:06 am (ET) S P O I L E R + + + + + + + + + + + You know at the end of Chamber when Harry is talking to Dumbledore.. "Professor Dumbledore...Riddle said I'm like him. Strange likenesses, he said..." "Did he now?" said Dumbledore. ...blah, blah, blah, skip some... "You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore calmly "because Lord Voldermort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure..." So I would think that him a Voldy are connected. Thinking about the link with the wands, too (Fawkes' feathers). I think there's some big reason that Voldy came after Harry in the first place. I think there is more to Harry and Voldy than meets the eye... Hmm.... dunno. On another note, how could Voldy be the last remaining ancestor to SS? Shouldn't he be last remaining descendant? ;-) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:07:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:07:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4600 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4594] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 11:07 am (ET) Well I will try to answer some of the questions asked but note that I have no pratical experience of the prefect system so the following is just my opinion. I assume that as there were 20 broomsticks out for the Gryffindor and Slytherin flying lesson and as there are 20 cauldrons in potion lessons that there are 10 students per year per house. This would equate to 70 students per house. I am also assuming that all houses have the same number of students, which I think is a reasonable idea. Most schools would split their students up evenly between the houses and I assume this is part of the sorting hats job. Each house has one teacher assigned to it as a head of house. The prefects would be the liason between this teacher and the students. This is backed up by the fact that Prof. McGonagall rarely enters the Gryffindor Common Room and so expects the prefects to do the disiplinary work for her. Though two people are appointed to be head boy and girl I would assume that they continue to do their prefect roles. Students in year 5 sit their OWL's and in year 7 their NEWT's. This means that they will be very busy revising. This suggests that the main prefect responsibility falls to the prefects in year 6. All the above would lead me to suspect that their is one male and one female prefect per house per year. In PS, Percy says that the prefects have two compartments to themselves at the front of the train. I am guessing that each compartment takes about 10 people. In PoA Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lupin, Ginny, Neville and Crookshanks have a seat each and their stuff is scattered around. This would leave it with some space but not too much. This would mean that their were about 20 prefects which would be consistent with 6 per house with a few scattered around the train or maybe the Slytherin ones not mixing with the others. Simon From naraht at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:40:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's history (spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4601 From: naraht Subject: Snape's history (spoilers) Date: 7/19/00 11:40 am (ET) S E V E R U S S N A P E My wife said something very interesting to me last night when we were discussing HP. She says Harry is no longer the person in the books she is most interested in reading more about is Severus Snape. Why did he betray Lord Voldemort? My wife's opinion is that Severus Snape was in love with Lily Potter while they were all at Hogwarts. (We know from HP3 that James,Lily, Remus, Peter , Sirius, and Severus were all in Hogwarts at the same time (James and Lily were Gryffindor, I don't believe we have proof that Remus, Peter and Sirius were Gryffindor or that Snape was Slytherin...) I think the reason that he broke from Voldemort was that he tried to convince VOldemort to spare Lily's life (maybe Voldemort promised her to him after he killed James?) and when Voldemort killed Lily, Snape went straight. Notice that in book one, Dumbledore says that SNape can go back to hating his father's memory in peace. NOT, *his parent's* memory... Randy From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:42:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: recapping previos books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4602 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: recapping previos books Reply To: [Yahoo! #4578] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 11:42 am (ET) "I agree with Penny that the recap device is commonly used in children's books, especially as, in this case, most of the information is stated rather baldly at the start of every new scene. I sense that JKR is either getting bored with doing it or is lessening it gradually as a way of bringing the books into a more adult framework." If it is going to be in there then it has to be well written. If JKR does not want it then she should just leave it out and get on with the story. "Another technique sometimes used in books is to list the regular 'cast' and synopsis at the front of the book, like the transcript of a play. Perhaps that would make more sense..." I think I am going to need this soon. I keep getting confused by who some of the less well known people are and where we have met them before. "JKR could hire Simon to do that :)" Maybe I will just have to write one for all of us to use. Giving an indication of where the characters pop up in the stories. It takes far too long to find the references each time! Simon (who has been left with lots to think about) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:42:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:42:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4603 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4579] Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/19/00 11:42 am (ET) spoiler u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u u <<What do you think is going on with Harry being present at Voldemort's house in a dream state?>> I took the first couple of pages to be a 'setting the scene' thing for the remainder of the chapter. This was what confused me. If it was a setting the scene bit then the rest of the chapter is a 'dream' type thing for Harry. Which left me with the question of why a sudden change of style? The book could have been written so that first Harry found out about Little Hangleton and its past and then has the dream. To me the first part of the chapter was a sudden change in writing style. Ignoring chapter 1 of PS, which gives the introduction to the stories, all the rest has been written so that we see, hear, etc. whatever Harry sees, hears, etc. Then suddenly we get this introduction that does not fit in with this style. Chapter 1 was a big let down for me when I started to read he book and I had already heard about it from the leaked copies. Until I got to chapter 3 I was not really interested in the story and so it took me well over an hour to read what is only 20 pages. After this I got into the story and remained reading for hours. The start did not get me hooked on the story and if it was not for the fact that I am so interested in the series, and impressed by JKR's style, I probably would have stopped. GoF's start just did not grab my attention. Simon PS: I did enjoy the book, I just had to ignore the start! From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:52:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4604 From: Skimble7 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4603] Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/19/00 11:52 am (ET) u u u u u u u u u u u uu u u My daughter caught on to another reason for Chapter One. The "Riddle" house. Go back and read the diary of Tom Riddle. From naraht at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:56:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4605 From: naraht Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4604] Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/19/00 11:56 am (ET) u u u u u u u u Also, I definately think the rich owner of the house who neither lives there nor visits there (don't have the book right in front of me so I'm remember as best I can) is Lucius Malfoy. How else was he likely to get the diary... From Skimble7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 15:56:00 2000 From: Skimble7 at yahoo.com (Skimble7) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4606 From: Skimble7 Subject: Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4604] Re: Chapter 1 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/19/00 11:56 am (ET) Disregard my last post. I hadn't read the beginning of the thread. Sorry to sound stupid. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:01:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4607 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4597] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 12:01 pm (ET) Simon, thank you. They don't teach that stuff in our schools over here anymore, unless you are going into that field in college (which I am not not, just the course Statistics, and College Algebra with Trigrometry One). I would be very interested if you know of any books on him, or url's that go into detail of him. He seems rather intriguing, like Einstein, who I have always liked. (Side note, a friend has discussed his theorem: E=MC^y, not squared...If anyone is interested in this, I can forward email to him!) From naraht at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:10:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4608 From: naraht Subject: Re: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Reply To: [Yahoo! #4547] Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILER) Date: 7/19/00 12:10 pm (ET) S P O I L E R D U R M S T R A N G At one point I though that Durmstrang was in Russia or equally far east, but just as Beauxbatons is obviously a French word or Derivation, Durmstrang is obviously German. The farthest north that German is spoken is near Denmark, but the area that speaks German that gets coldest in Winter (the cloaks with Fur) is in the Alps. This means either the German part of switzerland, Austria, Southern Germany (Bavaria) or the German speaking part of the Czech Republic. Personally my bet is on Southern Germany (Bavaria). Randy From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:35:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4609 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4563] Re: Chapter 2 Discussion - SPOILERS Date: 7/19/00 12:35 pm (ET) I understand what you mean about already knowing most of the early details, but for the benefit of people who haven't read Books 1-3 for a while, maybe a quick refresher course is useful. Nikki From MissSelene at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:38:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's history (not spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4610 From: MissSelene Subject: Re: Snape's history (not spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4601] Snape's history (spoilers) Date: 7/19/00 12:38 pm (ET) Oooooohhhh, now we're getting somewhere! Sounds a bit like a soap, doesn't it? I could absolutly belive that. It makes sense! From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:39:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:00 -0400 Subject: Where Durmstrang is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4611 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Where Durmstrang is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Reply To: [Yahoo! #4608] Re: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Date: 7/19/00 12:39 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p o i l e r s p o i l e r s p o i l e r I think the Alps is a good suggestion for the location of Durmstrang, possibly in Switzerland itself or into Austria. Krum describes the school as having extensive grounds where he flies a lot over the lakes and mountains, and is then told to be quiet before he gives away the location completely. Nikki From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4612 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Reply To: [Yahoo! #4608] Re: Where Beauxbatons is (MAYBE) (SPOILE Date: 7/19/00 12:43 pm (ET) Don't forget that all of these schools were established hundreds of years ago. You'd have to look at a map of Europe from 1200 A.D to get a good idea of national boundaries back then. Plus, I believe there are a number of "exclusive" schools all over the world where the language spoken in the school is NOT the language spoken by the surrounding population. From MissSelene at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:51:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4613 From: MissSelene Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4569] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 12:51 pm (ET) Some people just don't have the choice of starting with the first book! My sister is reading my copy of GoF because none of the other books are avaliable. They are all gone from the library and I dare anybody to find a single copy in any of the bookshops here! She says that the introductions helped her out in understanding who was who and what had happened, although I had to help her out a bit. I needed the introduction as well. I've only read the first book before GoF (see above for reason) and therefore didn't have a clue who Sirius was! And I had no idea that the Malfoys had a house elf...didn't even know there was such a thing. But I liked the way that most of those clues were mixed in with the story so you didn't have a whole chapter of nothing but facts. Well, any more than chapter 2 that is. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 16:53:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4614 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4594] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 12:53 pm (ET) <<<OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect?>>> Hermione is a sure bet to become a prefect. I think the "job" is based on grade point average. Harry is definitely NOT - he's not a good student. The only subject he is good at is Defense Against The Dark Arts, and possibly Hagrid would give him high marks for Care of Magical Creatures as well, since he at least participates. I'm not sure about Ron -- he seems to be about the same level as Harry, but we're not really told about his classroom talents, if he has any. I was thinking about poor Ron, and wondering if he might not just grow up to be a good strategist for the Ministry of Magic, based on his outstanding abilities at chess. A pre-teen who can outplay a professor's magical chess set, and has enough courage to sacrifice himself in order to ensure a winning outcome, definitely has leadership talents that should be developed. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 17:37:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4615 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4614] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 1:37 pm (ET) <<<OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect?>>> Wouldn't it be a great plot twist if Draco Malfoy was made a Slytherin prefect? We know that he must get good marks in Potions, (although probably not Care of Magical Creatures) but no other mention of his grades is made other that Lucius Malfoy's comment in CoS that Draco "should be ashamed that a girl of no wizarding parentage beat [him] in every exam." (Sorry, don't have the book close at hand, so I can't give an exact quote...) Could this mean that Draco is ranked second in the class? That could definitely indicate that he could become a prefect in Book 5. He wouldn't have any "jurisdiction" over Harry & crew, since they're Gryffindors, but it would give him a little leverage with teachers... What do y'all think? -- JoAnna From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 17:47:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4616 From: Scrimers99 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Date: 7/19/00 1:47 pm (ET) I have had an idea now forming in the back of my head about the harry potter book series now for at least a week or so. I am curious as to know whether there will be a Harry Potter card series, resembling magic, pokemon, star wars, etc. I mean, it turned (no offense to pokemon lovers here cause im not one) pokemon from a japnese garbage tv show to a major hit. Now im wondering what qould happen if JK mixed the deck (get it!) and made some cards like pokemon, but the only diff. is that Potter has a reputation now and is at the top of the best seller list. Well anyway, itd be a great idea, since you could make up to 7 sets or series, one for each year Harry attends hogwarts. I will express more of my ideas at a later time. PLease respond and tell what you guys think. Thankss! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 17:48:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:48:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4617 From: joywitch999 Subject: RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4598] RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/19/00 1:48 pm (ET) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > <<<Chapter 2.... have we been discussing Chapter 1 for a whole week > already? Did anyone ever figure out what the hell Voldy was talking > about in Chapter 1 when he said that one more murder and his path to > Harry would be clear? I have assumed that he was refering to Crouch > Sr., but that Wormtail convinced him to keep Crouch alive for awhile > so that people wouldnt get suspicious.>>> > > <<I'm just glad I'm not the only one who's still confused on this point. > The only murder that would truly "clear the path to Harry Potter" is > Dumbledore, isn't it? I'm not so sure *how* Crouch Sr.'s murder would > "clear the path" to Harry. But, that does *seem* to be the one they > were referring to (Crouch Sr. that is). Puzzling.>> > >>Perhaps the Big V was talking about the abduction of the real Moody. Just like Bertha, they kept him alive while they needed him, but he was going to be a dead man as soon as the plan was finished. That crime definitely cleared the path to Harry. Both Penny and bostons comments comments on my question are interesting but confirm my feeling that this is still very much of a mystery. I just hope that the answer is NOT that it is an example of sloppy writing or poor editing resulting from the fact that JKR is writing very quickly to satisfy her voracious readers and the books are receiving very little editing or proofreading due to security measures. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 17:58:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4618 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4615] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 1:58 pm (ET) >>>>>but no other mention of his (Draco) grades is made other that Lucius Malfoy's comment in CoS that Draco "should be ashamed that a girl of no wizarding parentage beat [him] in every exam Doesnt Lucious Malfoy also say, just before the above remark, that Dracos grades are poor? Draco admires some object in the shop. The storekeeper says something about how the object is useful for thieves. Lucious berates the storekeeper for implying that his son will be a thief, and then says something like if his grades dont improve that may be all he is capable of. I am misquoting here, but that is the gist of it. As for the prefect discussion, now that I think about it some more, I am willing to bet that Hermione and either Dean Thomas or Seamus Finnegan will be the Gryffindor prefects. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 18:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:19:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Grades Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4619 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Harry's Grades Reply To: [Yahoo! #4614] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 2:19 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Hermione is a sure bet to become a prefect. I think the "job" is based on grade point average.>>> Are the prefects *chosen* or selected from a pool of applicants? Can a "chosen" prefect reject the position (presumably yes)? I can't imagine Harry applying to be one. I don't think he'd be chosen, but I don't think it's because of his marks. I think it's that "disregard for rules" that would be a stumbling block. <<<Harry is definitely NOT - he's not a good student.>>> Actually, I don't think this is true. He's great at DADA. While his potions grade probably isn't great based on the antipathy between he & Snape (and he may hate the subject anyway), I think his other grades are described as being middle of the road average. That certainly doesn't make him a bad student in my mind. He's just not top of the class like Hermione. But, he's not in the lower half with Crabbe & Goyle either. And, we've had plenty of evidence that he's got a brain!!! I guess his Divination grades probably aren't stellar either. :--) <<<The only subject he is good at is Defense Against The Dark Arts, and possibly Hagrid would give him high marks for Care of Magical Creatures as well, since he at least participates.>>> I think he does more than just participate in Care of Magical Creatures -- he seems to take initiative & do well in general. The class is just kind of drab b/c of Hagrid's lack of confidence now. I don't think DADA is the only class he's good at -- it just happens to be the standout best. <<<I'm not sure about Ron -- he seems to be about the same level as Harry, but we're not really told about his classroom talents, if he has any.>>> I think he's about average -- perhaps slightly lower marks than Harry since I would guess Harry's DADA grades would push his average up some. Penny (*way* too much time on my hands today I guess) From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 18:38:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4620 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4618] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/19/00 2:38 pm (ET) Aaaah Book Five... I want it to come as badly as I did 4 but then I realize that this means that only 2 more will be left until we have been left to our own devices of imagining the escapades of the Hogwarts family.... I say that we begin a pool and place bets on events that occur to make this more interesting than it already will be. Gryffindor Prefects will have to include Hermione and well any one but Neville. I think that Harry could be made one but that's only due to the fact that random things always happen to him. I think that Ron needs some extra love. I have not finished 4 so what happens in the remainder of those pages could help him in the self esteem catagory. Seriously though, it sucks to be poor, regardless of how much your family loves you. Beyond that, he is the youngest male child with some very steep competition for attention. That's rough, it's very hard not being exceptional and still thinking highly of your self. Yay Ron! I also think that it will be necessary for Harry and young Mr. Malfoy to become friends or atleast form an alliance. This would be one of the final good lessons to teach children...Jo has done so much she should not cut herself short there. I hope that the other houses become more important in the saga. Slytherin and Gryffindor are always going to be going at it and important to the story but Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff just seem to be there to fill out the 4 corners. They must be more important. And someone decent needs to come out of Slytherin too. Just because you're ambitious and know exactly what you want out of life doesn't make you that bad. I think that is all for now...yeah pretty much. Jess ;-p From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:03:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:03:00 -0400 Subject: Heads of House. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4621 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Heads of House. Date: 7/19/00 3:03 pm (ET) Perhaps I missed it or maybe I just can't remember... How are Heads of Houses chosen? Is it by the house that they lived in during thier tenure? Are they resorted by the hat? Is it by the classes that they teach, is the potions teacher always head of Slytherin? Or do they just sign up like the class sponsors did in my highschool? I've been wondering... Thanks Jess ;-p From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:05:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4622 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4567] Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 3:05 pm (ET) ::Preparing for flames:: I'm going to step in for the pro-background camp. I do agree that most people have read the first three books. But the background serves not only to introduce new readers to situations and characters, but also to remind those who haven't picked up an HP book for several months. In my teens and early twenties, I was an avid V.C. Andrews fan, though not nearly at the level I am now for J.K. Rowling. What is it about female authors who use initials, anyway? But I digress. For Andrews, I eagerly picked up each book as it came out, and devoured it in one night (sound familiar?). But once I finished it, I usually just put it aside, until the next in its series came out. I did not occupy the interim months with V.C. Andrews discussion groups or fan-fic, nor did I host a web site dedicated to her work. Not that I wouldn't have, if I'd had use of the Internet then. Because of this, each time I read one of Andrews' sequels, the previous books would have faded into the back of my memory. Oh, I'd be up on the major story line, but would have forgotten many of the subplots and minor characters. I'd spend the first several chapters muttering "Who is this again?" or "I'd forgotten that trait about so-and-so!" If I read the HP books that way (as I suspect most fans do), I could easily see myself forgetting a couple of the Weasley brothers or mixing up some of Harry's professors. Even with Ron, Hermione, and Hagrid, I might forget some points of their personalities. Maybe a good compromise would be for Rowling to put the information into a preface. If you're new to the series, or need a refresher, you can read it. If the other books are clear in your mind, skip the preface and go right to the story. My 2 knutes (or maybe sickles), Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Melanie, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4623 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Melanie, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4622] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/19/00 3:09 pm (ET) That is a great idea. I remember reading the Thomas Covenant series, by Donaldson, and they each had a "happened before" section to orient the new readers with things they might not have read/remembered in the last ones. All six books (not counting Gildenfire as a book) have that, except for one, of course, which doesn't need it! Perhaps we can get Ms. Rowling to read our club, and take that suggestion to heart? :) (Swayed from her earlier opinion by a saner mind!) Dee From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:12:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4624 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Reply To: [Yahoo! #4587] Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 3:12 pm (ET) Yes, actually I *have* heard people complain about Rosie as Mrs. W. My personal choice would be Pauline Collins (_Shirley Valentine_). From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:20:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4625 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: My Idea- Please Reply! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4616] My Idea- Please Reply! Date: 7/19/00 3:20 pm (ET) I'm not one for rpg-card games, if that is what Pokemon and Magic are. I am fortunate enough to have avoided these fads by not having kids and well having a husband that is far too interested in Todd McFarlen and Star Wars. However if it could be set up like the Final Fantasy 8 card game that would ROCK MY WORLD! A very short yet complicated explaination of the FF8 game follows you could stop reading here. In FF8 the cards have four numbers in the upper left hand corner each different or the same as the rest (1-A, with A being the highest), like north east south and west, and they are played in a field of 9 (three across and three down) As the game progress cards are "flipped" (possession is changed) depending on the rank of the number in the corresponding corner. For example if the card in the upper left hand has a 5 to the east and a 9 to the south the card in the middle would need to have a 6 or higher for the opposition to "flip" it and the card below would have to be an A. It's not as complicated as this may make it sound... But with each new deck or person that plays new rules come up. Each house could have thier own deck, and "trump" cards could be created for those outside of the houses (Dumbledor and Hagrid.) Hmmm. Unfortunately I think that this might ruin Potter as kids can only be interested in the books now and so to converse with people they need to read they cannot just play the game. I think that the game could be a double edged sword. I would hate to see it ruin the series. Is this enough of a response? Jess ;-p From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 19:45:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: IT'S HERE!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4626 From: GypsyCaine Subject: IT'S HERE!!! Date: 7/19/00 3:45 pm (ET) Dancing about the room for a moment after I opened the Amazon package, I dashed to the computer immediately to post! I now own a copy of HP #1!!!! (Dances more!!!) NOW I can begin to read and savor it! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 20:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:11:00 -0400 Subject: IT'S HERE!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4627 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: IT'S HERE!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4626] IT'S HERE!!! Date: 7/19/00 4:11 pm (ET) Hey, Dee - great news! Now you can join in the discussions ;) Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 20:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter confessional Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4628 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Harry Potter confessional Date: 7/19/00 4:30 pm (ET) Today, I attended the first part of a two day course called 'Perfect Presentation Skills'. Like most people, I enjoy nothing better than standing up in front of a room full of strangers talking without notes about 'what I had for breakfast' and 'my first job'. We had to do several practical exercises, during which all six of us demonstrated ably how to flap our hands, avoid the eyes of the audience and mumble into our chests. Today's afternoon challenge, which I nicknamed Task 2, involved speaking about something we were passionate about, non work-related, for 5 minutes. You're ahead of me now aren't you? Yes folks, I stood up and talked, naked, about Harry Potter (no, not literally naked, silly). I found that I knew rather more about Harry Potter than I dared admit - but my nerves vanished and I enthused quite easily for 5 minutes, only flapping my hands at the end when I couldn't think how to stop. I could tell, looking at my five course-mates, that three of them knew eaxctly where I was coming from, because they were grinning really broadly. One of them admitted later she'd only read PoA, so there are people who start in the middle. Tomorrow I have to talk about my job. I don't think that will raise a smile. Neil From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 21:07:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:07:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4629 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Reply To: [Yahoo! #4624] Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 5:07 pm (ET) YES!!!! Pauline Collins is ssooooo how I imagine Mrs. Weasley to be - no offense to Rosie, but at least in my mind - Pauline Collins is *it*! From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 21:12:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: More on my Idea Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4630 From: Scrimers99 Subject: More on my Idea Reply To: [Yahoo! #4628] Harry Potter confessional Date: 7/19/00 5:12 pm (ET) See what you could do is have 4 decks, one for each house. Gryffndor of course would be the best and harry potter would be the best card to have/ use. You could have categories such as Magic, Skill, fast thinking, and smartness and more. You could put a number next to each character for instance harry potter might get a 7 on smartness and hermiojne might get a 9 out of 10. You could also have spell cards that are mentioned throughout every book. Like some spells might be harder to perform than others making a charcter with a magic of lets say 6 or higher only able to perform it. And you could have one set per year, and the talents of all characters could increase or decrease every year, making the cards still in the demand of kids. All of my ideas for now. Scrimers From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 21:31:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4631 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: My Idea- Please Reply! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4616] My Idea- Please Reply! Date: 7/19/00 5:31 pm (ET) >I am curious as to know whether there will be a Harry Potter card series, resembling magic, pokemon, star wars, etc. Yes... Wizards of the Coast Inc have the license for producing collector cards, so expect there to be Pokemon like cards out at some point. >I mean, it turned (no offense to pokemon lovers here cause im not one) pokemon from a japnese garbage tv show to a major hit. And could do the reverse for HP. Pokemon is a cartoon - children are shown the pictures of the characters. HP is a book... readers use their imagination to picture the characters - they don't want Warner Bros or someone it's given a license to producing things which show someone elses imagination's picture of the characters. Do they? >Now im wondering what qould happen if JK mixed the deck (get it!) and made some cards like pokemon, but the only diff. is that Potter has a reputation now and is at the top of the best seller list. I can't see how these cards could work - as the characters do not have faces... we do not know what many characters look like. However, I am not against cards - I think something could be done, while still encouraging imagination, and could even be made into a game requireing a level of skill to play. >Well anyway, itd be a great idea, since you could make up to 7 sets or series, one for each year Harry attends hogwarts. Do you work in marketing? I do sort of, so I can't complain... but I think a series of cards for each year at hogwarts is going a bit far - and what would be on the cards exactly? >I will express more of my ideas at a later time. PLease respond and tell what you guys think. Thankss! Well, you've got my view. Not highly in favour - though I would support a card game that was educational and which would develope the players imagination. Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 21:32:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4632 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: My Idea- Please Reply! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4631] Re: My Idea- Please Reply! Date: 7/19/00 5:32 pm (ET) Link to a press release from Wizard of the Coast Inc regarding their Harry Potter license. http://www.wizards.com/news/pressrelease.asp?20000211a From hert0661 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 22:23:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's Grades and prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4633 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Harry's Grades and prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4619] Harry's Grades Date: 7/19/00 6:23 pm (ET) I would guess that prefects are selected and this selection is done by the head of house in conjunction with the other teachers, so that an overall opinion of the student can be formed. It would be very stupid to turn down the responsibility of being a prefect and I would guess the teachers would pick people they know will say yes. Harry is a fairly able student but he suffers from a problem that a lot of boys suffer from during their education. This is the unwillingness to spend any time doing any work and taking the easy way out on homework (as in making it up). I could see that McGonagall and Dumbledore would not want Harry as a prefect because they already know of the problems he suffers from being famous. Having said this an example of the opposite of this is that Prince William became a prefect at Eton (or whatever they call them there). The rule breaking problem is an interesting one. During GoF it is starting to look as if he is behaving. He could be made prefect to make him behave. It can be the case that giving responsibility to someone who has been involved in some rule breaking, makes them behave impeccably. They do not want to lose the trust they have been shown. Seeing that Snape thinks alot of the Malfoy family I find it highly likely that he will make Draco a prefect and I believe that Draco is obtaining similar grades to Harry and Ron. All three, to me, seem likely to get good but not stunning grades (like Hermione will get). We have not met any of the Raveclaw students in their year (as far as I can remember). Thus, we do not have a full picture of the intelligence of the year as a whole. Having said that, I would assume all of the Ravenclaw students to be of above average intelligence. However, as many people know, grades are not always a fair reflection of a students ability. Harry is going to be a great wizard but, as has been shown before, he will not come top of the year. The activity he shows in Hagrid's lesson is in a way forced on him. He knows that most of the rest are scared of the 'creatures' that they have to study and that he wants the lessons to be a success. This forces him to do a large amount of the work to give Hagrid the confidence. Simon (also with too much free time) From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 22:25:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's history (spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4634 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Snape's history (spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4601] Snape's history (spoilers) Date: 7/19/00 6:25 pm (ET) S E V E R U S S N A P E <<My wife said something very interesting to me last night when we were discussing HP. She says Harry is no longer the person in the books she is most interested in reading more about is Severus Snape.>> snip <<I think the reason that he broke from Voldemort was that he tried to convince VOldemort to spare Lily's life (maybe Voldemort promised her to him after he killed James?) and when Voldemort killed Lily, Snape went straight.>> First of all, I doubt that Dumbledore would appreciate this as a reason for accepting Snape back, and secondly, at Karakoff's hearing, it is stated that Snape rejoined the good side before Voldy's downfall. Nice guessing anyways. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 22:28:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:28:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea- Please Reply! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4635 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: My Idea- Please Reply! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4616] My Idea- Please Reply! Date: 7/19/00 6:28 pm (ET) Please God no From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 23:06:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:06:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's history (spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4636 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Snape's history (spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4634] Re: Snape's history (spoilers) Date: 7/19/00 7:06 pm (ET) i l o a t h e s e v e r u s s n a p e We do have evidence that Snape was in Slytherin. Somewhere in GoF Sirius tells Harry that Snape used to hang out with a group of other Slytherins, most of whom became DeathEaters. But do we actually know that James and Lily were in Gryffindor? I thought that was an assumption we were making; that we really hadn't had any actual proof. Margaret From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 23:25:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:25:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter confessional Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4637 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Harry Potter confessional Reply To: [Yahoo! #4628] Harry Potter confessional Date: 7/19/00 7:25 pm (ET) Hi Neil Sounds like you enjoyed yourself in the end - and maybe we will get some more club members out of it. >I found that I knew rather more about Harry Potter than I dared admit - but my nerves vanished and I enthused quite easily for 5 minutes, only flapping my hands at the end when I couldn't think how to stop. Hmm... I'm hopless at speaking in public, or to small groups. I hate to think what I would have done if I was in your situation - though probably I would have talked about HP as well, as it's always on the mind! >One of them admitted later she'd only read PoA, so there are people who start in the middle. I think it must be quite hard to start from book 4 though... at least CoS and PoA had a lot of introduction to them. >Tomorrow I have to talk about my job. I don't think that will raise a smile. Depends what your job is - male stripper might cause a few smiles! Nick. From paperboy_15_year_old at yahoo.com Wed Jul 19 23:40:00 2000 From: paperboy_15_year_old at yahoo.com (paperboy_15_year_old) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:40:00 -0400 Subject: JUST FINISHED BOOK 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4638 From: paperboy_15_year_old Subject: RE: JUST FINISHED BOOK 4 Date: 7/19/00 7:40 pm (ET) I just finished "GOBLET OF FIRE". It was excellent. With the ending, how can we be forced to wait a year for the next book? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 00:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:49:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4639 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4629] Re: Harry Potter Casting Article Date: 7/19/00 8:49 pm (ET) If anyone's seen the movie "James and the Giant Peach" you will know the person I am speaking of. One of the two aunts played in Ab.Fab and I think she'd make a perfect Mrs. D (at least as far as I have gotten in the book, which is where the D's are going to bed after all the weird happenings of the first day the book has described.) (I know, not far, but I had class from 4.30 to 7.45, and a carride with picking up my son (nice driver, too...grins)) :) Dee From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 02:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Another Snape Theory - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4640 From: Danemead Subject: Another Snape Theory - SPOILER Date: 7/19/00 10:12 pm (ET) S P O I L E R L A D E E D A D A Y O H O H O Okay, if the "Snape loved Lily" theory is blown because we found out in HP4 that Snape was a double-agent before Lily was killed, how about this:...?? Snape was married, and Voldemort snuffed Mrs. Snape because of disloyalty or something. Maybe even snuffed Snape Junior if there was one. That could have happened months or years before Lord V was nearly snuffed by Harry. That would have turned Snape against the Big V. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 02:34:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:34:00 -0400 Subject: Entertainment Weekly Review Now On-line Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4641 From: angelx_ph Subject: Entertainment Weekly Review Now On-line Date: 7/19/00 10:34 pm (ET) and here it is: http://www.ew.com/ew/daily/0,2514,3321,harrypottergobletof.html From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 02:42:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:42:00 -0400 Subject: A review from a local publication... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4642 From: angelx_ph Subject: A review from a local publication... Date: 7/19/00 10:42 pm (ET) I live in the Philippines and I'm happy to report that "Harry Potter" is also quite popular here. Here's the review from my local paper: http://www.inquirer.net/issues/jul2000/jul10/lifestyle/lif_4.htm From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 03:35:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: My Idea going sour Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4643 From: Scrimers99 Subject: My Idea going sour Reply To: [Yahoo! #4642] A review from a local publication... Date: 7/19/00 11:35 pm (ET) it seems that no one liked my first idea, but i can agree with a lot being said here. Yes, it may ruin people's imagination, but you could somehow avoid that by putting ??? marks where the face might be. But if the whole idea is bad then you could just make A HP quiz deck or something. I know it is hard for other parents to put forth that kind of money, but the way i figure it, it would get kids more into the books and more eager for more reading. Look at what JK has done for fellow fantasy authors. At my local b $ N they have a list of "Books you may like if you liked Harry Potter" kind of thing. Well anyway, I am not in marketing or anything, but dont yell at me for suggesting it. Scholastics already at it! From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 03:38:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1 & the Oldest Weasley boys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4644 From: triner2001 Subject: Chapter 1 & the Oldest Weasley boys Date: 7/19/00 11:38 pm (ET) I know, I'm a bit behind, but I just moved and am still trying to get caught up on everything. You people never take a break from posting do you? S p o i l e r space Who's to say that the succession of Riddle house owners wasn't Voldy in some disguise or another? He was able to share a body with Quirrell and have him do his bidding, so why not do so to keep the family house in the family? I think both oldest Wheezy's are cool. C'mon Charlie works with dragons! I sort of envision him as a somewhat calmer Steve Irwin, Crocodile Hunter. And Bill, so nice to know he's not an older version of Percy, which is what I envisioned him to be. "Being a curse-breaker for Gringott's is serious business, George. I am not going to tell you what kind of curses that Bulgarian manticore breeder placed on his vault!" frowning bossily at his younger brother. I hope we get to know both of them better in the coming books. Trina From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 03:40:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:40:00 -0400 Subject: HP at midnight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4645 From: Scrimers99 Subject: HP at midnight Reply To: [Yahoo! #4643] My Idea going sour Date: 7/19/00 11:40 pm (ET) I just want to say one thing about that evil promotion (well not really evil) put on by all book stores across america. I drove there to get a book and peared inside from the car. I just couldnt believe it. I was so happy that kids, especially in this technological day in age, and even adults, were packing themselves in. To get a book! A book! It was just phenomenonally hard to believe. Well i waited in line for a half hour and finally purchased the book. I know its worth it, since im nearly done. Its just a cool thing to have kids reading a 734 page book everywhere. BTW was anyone else there at midnight? Im sure some of you were right? From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 03:44:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:44:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4646 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Percy and Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #4644] Chapter 1 & the Oldest Weasley boys Date: 7/19/00 11:44 pm (ET) They would be perfect for each other. The only hold back is age, but whats two, three years? Think about it, Percy is a weasley, and is quite a student, and so is hermoine. They are both extremely serious, and stick to their work. Im not saying that this will happen but it seems like a far away possibility. Hey, you never know. From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 03:50:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Yet another post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4647 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Yet another post Date: 7/19/00 11:50 pm (ET) Sorry about my abundance of posting. I think we should have betting odds or something on things. Like say the odds of ron and hermoine are hooking up are 1 to 10. Itd make each book kind of interesting and wed see whos the best guesser and whos right and whos way off. Plus it could occupy us until book 5. If you guys agree, then we could somehow have like a betting odds for each possible scenario. We could figure this out a chat, hint , hint. From MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 04:05:00 2000 From: MsBookTWorm at yahoo.com (msbooktworm) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: casting for movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4648 From: msbooktworm Subject: casting for movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4647] Yet another post Date: 7/20/00 12:05 am (ET) Is there a website designed with updates on casting for the movie? Read on... Melissa From brp13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 04:09:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4649 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4596] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/20/00 12:09 am (ET) Unfortunatly the book is about Harry, and after all, he is one of the most powerful wizards, certainly of the students at Hogwarts, there is. That isn't the only thing to being a prefect, but still... Looking at the word prefect in the dictionary, it means basically a ruler. We know from book 2 that prefects supposibly have more power. I am almost certain Hermione will become a prefect, and the way that everything happens to Harry he probably will. Ron just doesn't want to be a prefect... Just my thoughts. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 04:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: Ok, questions already.....lol. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4650 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Ok, questions already.....lol. Date: 7/20/00 12:18 am (ET) Read 2 chapters now. Who is the wizard that is portrayed on the back of the American (Scholastic) version's slipcover? He's wearing a purple robe, and demented glasses, which makes me think Dumbledore, but I am not enough in yet to be sure. Thanks for the answer! Dee From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 04:27:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:27:00 -0400 Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4651 From: Danemead Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Date: 7/20/00 12:27 am (ET) S P O I L E R * * * * * S P A C E * * * * * Just ran across a minor detail about when Molly and Arthur Weasley were at Hogwarts. When Mrs. Weasley and Bill are strolling around the grounds prior to the 3rd Tournament Task, Mrs. Weasley tells Harry that they planted the Whomping Willow AFTER she left Hogwarts, which makes her at least seven years older than Remus Lupin (and James, Lily and Sirius), since Lupin says they planted the willow the year he became a student. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 04:32:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4652 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4651] Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Date: 7/20/00 12:32 am (ET) Well, they do have two children in their early to mid 20's, so I would assume they would be a bit older than James, Lily, and the gang. Trina From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 05:21:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:21:00 -0400 Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4653 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4651] Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Date: 7/20/00 1:21 am (ET) S P O I L E R * * * * * S P A C E * * * * * >>>Just ran across a minor detail about when Molly and Arthur Weasley were at Hogwarts. When Mrs. Weasley and Bill are strolling around the grounds prior to the 3rd Tournament Task, Mrs. Weasley tells Harry that they planted the Whomping Willow AFTER she left Hogwarts, which makes her at least seven years older than Remus Lupin (and James, Lily and Sirius), since Lupin says they planted the willow the year he became a student. Well, that makes sense. In chapter one of SS, Hagrid refers to *young Sirius Black*. This is at the time that Harry is a year old. This implies (at least to me) that Sirius, and therefore Remus Lupin, are probably in their early 20s at that point, which means they are in their early 30s when Harry starts Hogwarts. At that time 2 of the Weasley kids have already graduated Hogwarts, so the oldest is probably almost 20, which means that his parents are probably around 40, so at least 7 years difference in age between Lupin and Mrs. Weasley is about right. From catzfavre at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:06:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:06:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4654 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4577] Book 5 predictions Date: 7/20/00 2:06 am (ET) <<OK, I know its ridiculous to start talking about Book 5 now, but I will anyway. In the fifth year, some students are made prefects. I have the impression that 2 students from each House, one male and one female, are made prefects, but I could be making that up. Who do you think will be the Gryffindor prefects? Hermione is a natural, but will Harry be a prefect? And if Harry and Hermione are made prefects, will Ron be upset?>> All righty, now that i am done reading all of the posts so far... In PoA (which I am currently rereading), Mrs. Weasley makes the comment to the twins that they had not been made prefects. This leads me to believe that there is not just one boy and one girl prefect per house or per year. I am thinking that there is no set number, just whoever qualifies. Jennifer From catzfavre at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:09:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4655 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4599] Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/20/00 2:09 am (ET) <<"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore calmly "because Lord Voldermort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure..." On another note, how could Voldy be the last remaining ancestor to SS? Shouldn't he be last remaining descendant?>> I looked in my copy of CoS and he does say descendant, not ancestor. Jennifer From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:09:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:09:00 -0400 Subject: wow......I can now see what has everyone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4656 From: GypsyCaine Subject: wow......I can now see what has everyone Date: 7/20/00 2:09 am (ET) so entranced! I forced myself to put the book down at the chapter entitled Quidditch, and check to see what on earth is taking BN so long with book 2, then take my little behind and get at least 4 hours sleep before class. Grins. Didn't mean to read so much--but I haven't laughed so hard in my life as I did when the letters started coming down the chimney!!!! I knew then that this book was for me (beside the fact I am the taped-up glasses nerdy 11 year old I used to be still at heart!). VERY HAPPY!!!! and very addicted, ack! Dee From catzfavre at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:12:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:12:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's history (spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4657 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Snape's history (spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4601] Snape's history (spoilers) Date: 7/20/00 2:12 am (ET) <<Notice that in book one, Dumbledore says that SNape can go back to hating his father's memory in peace. NOT, *his parent's* memory...>> But that was because James saved Snape's life. Jennifer From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:16:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4658 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4639] Re: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Date: 7/20/00 2:16 am (ET) <<If anyone's seen the movie "James and the Giant Peach" you will know the person I am speaking of. One of the two aunts played in Ab.Fab and I think she'd make a perfect Mrs. D>> I haven't seen the film, but I think you're talking about Joanna Lumley. She could be made to look ugly enough, I guess... Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 06:18:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:18:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4659 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4658] Re: Harry Potter Casting Mrs Dursley... Date: 7/20/00 2:18 am (ET) That sounds like the right name! The blonde, yes. In the "PEACH" she is hideous looking, but her talent does show through. The aunts are so horrid to James, that he and Harry need to be friends! Grins... Dee. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 07:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:06:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4660 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4600] Re: Prefects Date: 7/20/00 3:06 am (ET) > I assume that as there were 20 broomsticks out for the Gryffindor and Slytherin flying lesson and as there are 20 cauldrons in potion lessons that there are 10 students per year per house. This would equate to 70 students per house. Everything JKR shows up matches up with those numbers, EXCEPT 200 Slytherin supporter and 600 Slytherin opposers at one year's final Quidditch match and the size of the castle's dining hall -- but think how tiny the population of wizarding Britain (maybe plus Ireland) must be if there are only 40 people born each year! I think there are probably 30 to 40 new students each year in each House, but they were editted out for novelistic reasons. Um. If 150 people are born each year and they normally live to age 100, the population would be 15,000.... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 07:08:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:08:00 -0400 Subject: Heads of House. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4661 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Heads of House. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4621] Heads of House. Date: 7/20/00 3:08 am (ET) > Perhaps I missed it or maybe I just can't remember... How are Heads of Houses chosen? JKR hasn't told us how Heads of Houses are chosen, but I am convinced that the teacher appointed Head of a House must have been a member of that House in his/her student days. Since students are assigned to Houses based on their personality traits, how could a teacher from a different House be able to relate to his/her charges? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 07:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:15:00 -0400 Subject: Another Snape Theory - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4662 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Another Snape Theory - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4640] Another Snape Theory - SPOILER Date: 7/20/00 3:15 am (ET) S P O I L E R L A D E E D A D A Y O H O H O > Okay, if the "Snape loved Lily" theory is blown because we found out in HP4 that Snape was a double-agent before Lily was killed, The people on one of the other e-mail-lists have that all figured out. Snape was working for Voldemort and told of the plan to kill all three Potters and petitioned that he wanted to save Lily. Voldy valued Snape enough to promise him that he wouldn't kill Lily IF she didn't interfere with him killing Harry. Snape knew that Lily would never save her own life if she couldn't save her baby's life, so he became a double-agent on purpose to protect Lily: he tipped Dumbledore to tip James and Lily when the surprise attack would take place. When added to the question, how come Dumbledore is so certain that Snape will remain loyal to the good guys and not switch sides yet again, to give the answer that Snape implacably seeks vengeance against Voldemort for Lily's death, it becomes more plausible than I would like, as I do not like the 'Snape loved Lily' theory. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 07:24:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:24:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4663 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Book 5 predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #4649] Re: Book 5 predictions Date: 7/20/00 3:24 am (ET) > Ron just doesn't want to be a prefect... Ron wants *desperately* to be a prefect, and Quidditch captain and star player, (which is kind of pathetic as the poor kid didn't even make the House team,) and to get a record number of OWLs, and to be Head Boy, *and* Triwizard Tournament champion: only if he did ALL those things would he feel that he can accomplished enough to just barely be worthy of his brothers... The scenario that I'm accustomed to is that a person feels the need to accomplish various successes in order to feel 'worthy' BECAUSE he/she feels pretty 'unworthy' [low self-esteem] most of the time. And one common cause of this is parents who act very critical and/or unloving most of the time, with maybe a short burst of affection or pride when the kid has some big accomplishment... That doesn't accord too well with our impression of the Weasely family as a very loving and huggy family.... Altho; it does go with Ron commenting that his mother can never remember that he hates corned beef because, with so many children, it's hard to remember which is which... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 07:27:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:27:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4664 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Reply To: [Yahoo! #4655] Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/20/00 3:27 am (ET) > I looked in my copy of CoS and he does say descendant, not ancestor. One of these here e-mail-lists had a lot of discussion, once upon a time, revealing that the British hardcover said 'ancestor' and the American hardcover said 'descendent' and speculating on which one JKR meant versus which one was an error. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 11:05:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:05:00 -0400 Subject: ancestor / descendent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4665 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: ancestor / descendent Reply To: [Yahoo! #4664] Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/20/00 7:05 am (ET) "One of these here e-mail-lists had a lot of discussion, once upon a time, revealing that the British hardcover said 'ancestor'" It is still ancestor in the 20th edition of the paperback but I am not sure if they have changed it since then. "which one JKR meant versus which one was an error" It seems a very odd mistke to have made and not to have been picked up by the British editors. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 11:08:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:08:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4666 From: hert0661 Subject: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 7:08 am (ET) I have spent the last few minutes listening to JKR on BBC Radio 1. A few points raised are mentioned below. It will be on the BBC website from midday (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/djs/mayo.shtml). Bits in quotation marks are said by the interviewer (Simon Mayo). The rest is JKR comments. Liam Aiken has not been cast as Harry Harry, and the rest of the cast, will be British JKR has had a fair amount of say in the film (it sounds as if Warner are being especially good as they want the rights to all of the books) "Has JKR got complete confidence in CC" - yes JKR gets many letter from kids (mainly American) asking to go to Hogwarts and she replies to them in the persona of Dumbledore. Publicity shy, JKR likes meeting the children who read her book. It was originally writen to be her private world. "Is Harry growing up quicker than the readers? Is this a problem?" JKR's aim was to keep the younger readers but let them grow up, and age, with the books. What is the point of continuing to fight when evil is always there and Dumbledore's quote from book 1 ('..while you may only have delayed his return to power, it will merely take someone else who is prepared to fight what seems a losing battle next time - and if he is delayed again, and again, why, he may never return to power.'). JKR would not elaborate much about this, saying it would spoil the ending of book 7. Does this mean there will be no death for Voldemort? "Getting darker?" Yes, but good is hard to show if you do not show how bad evil is. The evil is used to show how good Harry, Hermione and Ron are. Suggesting that they will stay loyal and true. JKR would not confirm that Harry, Hermione and Ron survive to the end of the series. In fact, she just avoided answering the question. "Life after Harry?" Doing something completely differetn appeals. Does not think she could write anything as popular again. Not ruling out more Harry books, but the story is planned over 7 books. Harry dies in book 7 - only a joke! Or is it? The section finished with the normal 'God of the Week Questions'. Make a saint - single parents Thunderbolt on someone - Daily Mail, journalists who have interviewed her ex, Rita Skeeter types! Perform a miricale - Literacy skills for all Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 11:08:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:08:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4667 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4660] Re: Prefects Date: 7/20/00 7:08 am (ET) "Britain (maybe plus Ireland)" Hogwart's is there for students from Britian and Ireland (confirmed in the interview I mentioned). Also Seamus is Irish. "EXCEPT 200 Slytherin supporter and 600 Slytherin opposers at one year's final Quidditch match" This is at the Quidditch final in PoA. It says 'Behind the Slytherin goalposts, however, two hundred people were wearing green; the silver serpent of Slytherin glittered on their flags, and Professor Snape sat in the very front row, wearing green like everyone else, and a very grim smile.' It does not say that they are all students. Some of could be parents or former members of the house. Homecoming game is the phrase that someone used, I believe. "the size of the castle's dining hall" 70 students a house and a few teachers gives about 300 people in total. What constitutes big? It sounds as if each of the students has plenty of space during a feast to spread out. You would need a table of at least 20 metres for 70 students. Add another 5 metres for the teachers table and another 5 metres to give room to wander easily between the table. This gives a room of 30m by 25m, which means nothing to me but sounds fairly big. Remember the description if being made by an 11 year old who has spent most of his time locked in a cupboard. The dining hall at my college seats about 150 max and is 10m by 20m and to do this is very cramped. Cramped is not an impression I get from the description of the Great Hall at Hogwarts. As to the small population - I do not have a clue! Simon From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 11:43:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:43:00 -0400 Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4668 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4651] Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Date: 7/20/00 7:43 am (ET) Since she has children who are much older than Harry, that would make a degree of sense, wouldn't it? Nikki From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 11:53:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:53:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4669 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4666] JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 7:53 am (ET) Taking the two references "JKR would not confirm that Harry, Hermione and Ron survive to the end of the series. In fact, she just avoided answering the question." and "Not ruling out more Harry books, but the story is planned over 7 books. Harry dies in book 7 - only a joke! Or is it?" I would have said it was entirely possible that Harry will ultimately die - probably taking Voldemort with him - because otherwise we will wonder about his life after Hogwarts and it could only be a life more ordinary! cf the end of the Narnia books. Nikki From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 12:28:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:28:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4670 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4622] Re: Background Material in HP Date: 7/20/00 8:28 am (ET) <<I'm going to step in for the pro-background camp. I do agree that most people have read the first three books. But the background serves not only to introduce new readers to situations and characters, but also to remind those who haven't picked up an HP book for several months.>> I am also very predisposed to background information. I recently finished a series of books by David Wingrove - the Chung Kuo books. (absolutely fascinating for anyone who'd like to take a gander - pure SciFi) Anyway, he always wrote, not a chapter, but more of an introduction, that was a synopsis of what has happened in the entire story up to that point. I always found it very helpful because it encompassed every book that preceeded it. And it was encapsuled in only one section, so it could always be very easy to skip over. Also, these books had casts of thousands, so a list was always included explaining who's who and their relationships to each other. I would imagine that most kids would appreciate explanations of this sort if they're not reading these books one immediately following the next. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 12:30:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:30:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4671 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4666] JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 8:30 am (ET) <<JKR gets many letter from kids (mainly American) asking to go to Hogwarts and she replies to them in the persona of Dumbledore.>> Absolutely wonderful! That is just the epitome of class in my book. It's easy to tell that this is a woman who simply loves what she is doing. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:11:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:11:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4672 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4666] JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 9:11 am (ET) >Liam Aiken has not been cast as Harry > Harry, and the rest of the cast, >will be British >JKR has had a fair amount of say >in the film (it sounds as if Warner >are being especially good as they >want the rights to all of the books) >"Has JKR got complete confidence in >CC" - yes Unfortunately all this really tells us is that JKR wants Harry and the rest of the cast to be British. I've known too many authors who have had books who have had movies made from their books. More often than not, the author was unhappy with how the movie turned out. If WB decides the movie will do better in the theaters with an American Harry or an American Snape then it probably will have them. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4673 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4672] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 9:17 am (ET) Hi: <<<Unfortunately all this really tells us is that JKR wants Harry and the rest of the cast to be British. I've known too many authors who have had books who have had movies made from their books. More often than not, the author was unhappy with how the movie turned out. If WB decides the movie will do better in the theaters with an American Harry or an American Snape then it probably will have them.>>> Normally I would agree with you Skimmel. But, in this case, it's my impression that she has an ace or two in the hole. That is -- if she's not happy with the first movie, I do believe she has only sold WB the rights to film the first 2 books. So, she has the ability to say, "Fine. Do it your way, but you'll only get the first 2 movies and that's it." So, I think they'll have an interest in keeping her happy. I also have the impression (which could just be the lawyer in me coming out) that JKR has contractually protected herself (her rights to veto certain decisions for example). If I was her atty, that's something I would have ensured (in any case). Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:53:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4674 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4673] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 9:53 am (ET) The best previous example is the Wizard of Oz. MGM, I think, only got the rights to the first book while Disney got the rest of the series. You see how many Wizard of Oz movies there have been. Despite having what at the time was a hot property, Disney made a grand total of one Oz movie and it was a dud. Of course, the original Wizard of Oz lost money in its initial release as well. Ultimately the point is that the leverage of the later books may not amount to much if the first movie isn't a big hit. How many seven movie series can you think of where the last five were worth nearly that the first two? As for Rowling actually having veto rights there is precedent on that one as well. The author of Mary Poppins (Travers I think) had been consulting with the production company was "horrified" at the casting of the movie and insisted that Julie Andrews and Dick Van Dyke both replaced. You see who won that argument. In the final analysis, it would be nice to have Harry Potter cast with an entirely British cast. (I'm willing to let Rosey have the role of Mrs. Weasley and Roth might make a good Snape.) But there are many more important factors in the movie's success than the nationality of the actors. They're ability to act for example. Whether the screen writer's butcher the story for another. I hope you're right, Penny, that Rowling got significant control of the end product. I'm sure she wanted it. Given that she has zero movie making experience, I'd be willing to wager she didn't get it. From mkplummer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 13:55:00 2000 From: mkplummer at yahoo.com (mkplummer) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:55:00 -0400 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4675 From: mkplummer Subject: New Member Date: 7/20/00 9:55 am (ET) I am a new member, and a NEW Harry Potter fan. I just recently read the first book in the series out of curiousity due to all the media hype. Needless to say I am now hooked. I bought the other two novels in the series, and hope to start the "Chamber of Secrets" this weekend. Because I need to read the rest of the series before I can discuss anything, I probably won't read many of the messages here for awhile because I can't really discuss much as this point. But I was very happy to find a club for adult fans of these wonderful books! Marion From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 14:41:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: HELP me join the party ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4676 From: delwyn_march Subject: HELP me join the party ! Date: 7/20/00 10:41 am (ET) Hi ! I've been regularly visiting this site for weeks, I love it and so I've finally decided to join in. I will comment on the current questions being discussed later, but to begin with I have to ask your help to solve my mental health threatening problem :-) My problem is simple : I am French and I live in FRANCE !! I've been desperately trying to find a way to get my hands on GoF. But apart from buying it on-line and thus paying it twice its price (taxes !!, and though I am not completely broke, I would rather like to save all that money right now !), I just seem to be running out of options. HP is just beginning to get through here in France, so that nobody going to any English-speaking country seems willing to help me and get me a book back :-( As for the British bookstore in Paris where I bought the first 3, they say they won't have the 4th one before at least a month ! Problem is : I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG !! So PLEASE, PLEASE, could any of you members of the club (preferably British or Canadian since I read the UK version, but why not try US ?) get in touch with me in order to arrange some kind of deal (I'm not rich but I CAN pay :-) !) Thanks in advance for any help you will give me. A plus (= See you) Doriane PS : hope my English's not too bad... From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 14:52:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:52:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4677 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4600] Re: Prefects Date: 7/20/00 10:52 am (ET) Salut ! >I assume that as there were 20 broomsticks out >for the Gryffindor and Slytherin flying lesson >and as there are 20 cauldrons in potion lessons >that there are 10 students per year per house. 10 students per year per house would fit well with the fact that on the door of Harry's dormitory is written First-years (and then second- and third-), which seems to imply that they are the ONLY boys of that year in their house. 5 boys + 5 girls = 10 students per year per house ! The problem is the 200 hundred or so people backing Slytherin during that Quidditch game ... A plus ! Doriane From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 15:00:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:00:00 -0400 Subject: Ancestor vs Descendent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4678 From: delwyn_march Subject: Ancestor vs Descendent Reply To: [Yahoo! #4664] Re: Chapter 2 - What's Going On? - SPOIL Date: 7/20/00 11:00 am (ET) Salut ! >>I looked in my copy of CoS and he does say >>descendant, not ancestor. >One of these here e-mail-lists had a lot of >discussion, once upon a time, revealing that the >British hardcover said 'ancestor' and the >American hardcover said 'descendent' and >speculating on which one JKR meant versus which >one was an error. I know we are supposed to look for hints everywhere, but still, I just can't figure out how Voldemort could be an ancestor of Slytherin. I mean Slytherin lived a thousand years ago, while Tom Riddle was a teen only fifty years ago ! So, unless we get into reincarnation ... A plus ! Doriane From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 15:28:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:28:00 -0400 Subject: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4679 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #4653] Re: Timeline trivia - very minor spoiler Date: 7/20/00 11:28 am (ET) W I L L Y O U S T I L L N E E D M E W H E N I ' M 6 4 ? <<At that time 2 of the Weasley kids have already graduated Hogwarts, so the oldest is probably almost 20, which means that his parents are probably around 40, so at least 7 years difference in age between Lupin and Mrs. Weasley is about right. >> >From GoF, we know 2 things: 1. Bill graduated Hogwarts at least 5 years before the last task, because he says he hasn't been in the Hall in over five years; and 2. Mr & Mrs Weasley were there at the same time, but not necessarily in the same year, beause Mrs Weasley mentions a moonlit stroll they took. Assuming Bill graduated at 18, then he is at least 23 (i.e. about 10 years older than Ron & Harry), which would imply that Mrs Weasley is likely at least 10 years older than the older of Harry's parents (have we ever even seen anything to say that Lily was younger than James? I don't think so) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 15:30:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4680 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4674] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 11:30 am (ET) "Ultimately the point is that the leverage of the later books may not amount to much if the first movie isn't a big hit. How many seven movie series can you think of where the last five were worth nearly that the first two?" That may be so, but which film company would annoy an author when they have only the rights to two of seven books. They would not assume that their films will fail. They will expect them to be successful. "Dick Van Dyke" Mary Poppins was entioned during the interview. That is when JKR said that WB seemed to be listening to her. When asked about Mary Poppins and the film versions she replied that she did not want Dick Van Dyke in her movie! Simon From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 15:58:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4681 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Percy and Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #4646] Percy and Hermoine Date: 7/20/00 11:58 am (ET) Salut ! >They would be perfect for each other. The only >hold back is age, but whats two, three years? >Think about it, Percy is a weasley, and is quite >a student, and so is hermoine. They are both >extremely serious, and stick to their work. Im >not saying that this will happen but it seems >like a far away possibility. Hey, you never >know. NO, please no ! I know from personal experience that you can be quite a brain (although I never was half as hard-working as Hermione), spend half your time complaining about your friends not caring about homework (*I* never did that ! - almost {g} ) and still be a stupid little romantic Cinderella-would-be girl when it comes to dating. And Percy doesn't match my idea of Prince Charming! Moreover, I think that Hermione *needs* to find someone who could remind her that there's a life outside books, or she might get lost in them and never become the wonderful person she has the capability to become. And Percy Weasley just isn't that someone. Fianlly, I kindly remind you that Percy : 1. already has a girlfriend, Penelope Clearwater 2. has left school ! So if he and Hermione were to get together, they would have to wait at least three more years. Many things could happen in the meantime, and they might not be as compatible as you think they are now when they meet again. Anyway, if she decides to date one of the Weasley brothers, I sure hope she will choose Ron ! A plus! Doriane From sage016 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 15:58:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: HELP me join the party ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4682 From: sage016 Subject: Re: HELP me join the party ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4676] HELP me join the party ! Date: 7/20/00 11:58 am (ET) i would be happy to do this for you. Ill even buy you the book, just as long as you pay shipping :) im in a generous mood today....hehe email me at rebelslgb at aol.com From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 16:53:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4683 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4669] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 12:53 pm (ET) >I would have said it was entirely possible that >Harry will ultimately die - probably taking >Voldemort with him - because otherwise we will >wonder about his life after Hogwarts and it >could only be a life more ordinary! cf the end >of the Narnia books. It might not be a life more ordinary...you are obviously not following "Paradigm of Uncertainty" a fanfic of Harry at age 26...in which he hardly has a life more ordinary....you can find it on fanfiction.net (do a search for the title) or there is an egroup that gets chapters automatically........ Plus I really hate books where everyone dies in the end...they seem like such a waste...I don't mind a less than happy ending, but.... carole From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 17:23:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4684 From: arawa_99 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 7/20/00 1:23 pm (ET) I'd just like to thank those of you guys who pointed me toward "Paradigm..." I love it - and I don't usually get into the whole fanfic thing. Anyway - THANKS! I am totally addicted! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 17:36:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: Wow...... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4685 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Wow...... Date: 7/20/00 1:36 pm (ET) I am sitting here, just floored. What an ending! Ms Rowling's a great writer! I did not expect to see a double-faced man! I especially didn't expect Snape not to be guilty! He's so mean to Harry, you know. Can't wait for book two to arrive! Dee From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 17:43:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: Wow...... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4686 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Wow...... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4685] Wow...... Date: 7/20/00 1:43 pm (ET) See - If you'd have left the club - we wouldn't be able to vicariously(sp?) relive our first HP book with you! Can't wait for you to read the second! From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:17:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4687 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #4684] Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 7/20/00 2:17 pm (ET) I'm sorry, I must have missed where this was orginally posted, but can some kind soul point me in the direction of the "Paradigm" as well. Thanks! Sam :) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:25:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4688 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #4687] Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 7/20/00 2:25 pm (ET) go to http://www.fanfiction.net sort by author - Lori and it should list everything she's done. Enjoy! From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:36:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4689 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #4687] Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 7/20/00 2:36 pm (ET) >>I'm sorry, I must have missed where this was >>orginally posted, but can some kind soul point >>me in the direction of the "Paradigm" as well. Sure...I'm one of its biggest fans... http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty this is the home page...you can access the chapters without being a member of the egroup, but you miss out on all the intersting discussion. Click on the Files and that should pull up a page with each chapter listed. BTW (shameless plug here) Penny and I are writing a fanfic that is a prequel to Paradigm of Uncertainty. With Lori's permission, we just posted the first 2 chapters today on the files page of the Paradigm egroup. carole From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:43:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:43:00 -0400 Subject: Wow...... :) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4690 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Wow...... :) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4686] Re: Wow...... Date: 7/20/00 2:43 pm (ET) Thanks Arawa! I haven't been forced out of a club yet, except by lack of cooperation (like no posts for three months?) which I doubt will happen here! Grins. I really want to get my hands on CoS. My hands are shaking! I guess I am addicted! (A friend has bought me a copy of GoF for my birthday--isn't she nice? I own three, have four coming, and all I need is two to rare right through them!!! Sighs.) Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:51:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:51:00 -0400 Subject: Book report....lol. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4691 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Book report....lol. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4690] Re: Wow...... :) Date: 7/20/00 2:51 pm (ET) What did I find about book one that I liked and that I disliked? Jk's way of turning phrases made you feel like you dived into the swimming pool of the story. The passage of Dumbledore eating a vomit flavored jelly bean, and then getting an ear wax one--I could picture it in my mind, but I would really hate to eat those two flavors. The description of the feel of playing Quidditch (does she get more indepth on that in the later books btw, or is it about the same?) makes you feel you are really there. I could feel the size and ancientness of Hogwarts looming over my head, and how the boys are plopping in a tower, and the rat's gnawing on Harry's pillow. I even liked that poltergeist fellow, the one who was pulling up the rugs to make people trip--think I have met his brethren, lol. You love to hate Draco. Snape just almost drips with slime. I could visually a huge chessboard and a knight leaning down to talk to the three on the "third" level. The magic, and the appeal of the book is quite vivid. (I also know someone who'd be perfect for the role of Hagrid, but he's got red hair, and is American--the natures are alike, though~). Who hasn't wanted to see the bully get his, and that piggy tail on Dudley had me cracking up. I can't wait to see how Harry and he get along during vacation. I can also see a marked difference in Harry. He seems more sure of himself, more certain of where he belongs in the world--perhaps that comes from not living in a cupboard anymore? I liked it very much. I can't wait to get to four so I can discuss chapter by chapter with you guys! GRINS WIDELY!!!!!! Dee From jnlcla at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 18:57:00 2000 From: jnlcla at yahoo.com (jnlcla) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:57:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4692 From: jnlcla Subject: US Book font ? Date: 7/20/00 2:57 pm (ET) I know this is OT (I'm new here too), but does anyone know what font is used for the Harry Potter chapter titles? I'm referring to the US versions. My sister is an elementary school teacher, and she'd like to make a banner with artwork (the children would love it) and this font would be an extra nice touch! I've looked everywhere (including usenet) but can't seem to find an answer. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 19:43:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:43:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4693 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Percy and Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #4681] Re: Percy and Hermoine Date: 7/20/00 3:43 pm (ET) Beware! This string contains info about GoF. l e t ' s a l l s e a l P e r c y i n a p y r a m i d I don't think Hermione and Percy are really compatible. Percy appears to be blindly loyal to rules and figures of authority. Hermione gave that up in book 1. Also I get the impression that Hermione studies because she enjoys the process and the knowledge whereas Percy does it simply to get the job he wants in the Ministry. The interesting thing about Percy (and I can't believe I'm saying there's anything interesting about Percy; I agree with his brothers that he should be sealed up in a pyramid) is which side he will choose in the coming events. It is obvious that his parents are going to support Dumbledore, not Fudge. I would suspect that the rest of the family will follow their lead. Except Percy. I just don't see him being able to go against the Minister of Magic. So I'm wondering if we will see a split in the Weasley family. P.S. I am not one of those who thinks that just because he refuses to believe that the Dark Lord is back, that Fudge is in cohorts with him. Someone else mentioned Neville Chamberlain and he was exactly the person that came to my mind. Or an ostrich who sees something that frightens him and thinks that if he sticks his head in the sand, the bad thing will go away. Margaret From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 19:47:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: Paradigm of Uncertainty Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4694 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Reply To: [Yahoo! #4689] Re: Paradigm of Uncertainty Date: 7/20/00 3:47 pm (ET) "BTW (shameless plug here) Penny and I are writing a fanfic that is a prequel to Paradigm of Uncertainty. With Lori's permission, we just posted the first 2 chapters today on the files page of the Paradigm egroup." If you had waited about an hour longer then I would have done the plug for you! It is a very good beginning and I would recommend everyone to go and read it. I now have two fanfic's too follow. I can see confusion ahead! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 19:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: Book report....PS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4695 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Book report....PS Reply To: [Yahoo! #4691] Book report....lol. Date: 7/20/00 3:49 pm (ET) I found the first book amazing. It is very much my favourite. I picked it up and there was no option of putting it down. "I can also see a marked difference in Harry. He seems more sure of himself, more certain of where he belongs in the world--perhaps that comes from not living in a cupboard anymore?" Also from knowing what is expected of him and that now he can free his inquisitive mind. It is also from the presence of two very good and loyal friends. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 20:19:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4696 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4671] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 4:19 pm (ET) <<JKR gets many letter from kids (mainly American) asking to go to Hogwarts and she replies to them in the persona of Dumbledore.>> <Absolutely wonderful! That is just the epitome of class in my book. It's easy to tell that this is a woman who simply loves what she is doing. Hmmmm! In another interview, she reportedly said that such deluded children were 'very sad', and that most of the letters ended up in the bin. I don't think she was been heartless when she said that - she was explaining how she chooses letters for a personal reply. Bit of a contradiction though ... Neil Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:05:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:05:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview (film casting) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4697 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: JKR interview (film casting) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4674] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 5:05 pm (ET) <<In the final analysis, it would be nice to have Harry Potter cast with an entirely British cast. (I'm willing to let Rosey have the role of Mrs. Weasley and Roth might make a good Snape.)>> Tim Roth is as English as toasted crumpets, but must have done a passable American accent if you thought he was American (as implied, above??). Which brings me to my point. I have nothing against American actors playing parts in the film, but they would have to get the accent absolutely spot on - enough to be believed by a UK audience - and that's not easy. Some actors are very good at accents, and others are not. Dick Van Dyke, who has been mentioned, is an extreme example. His accent in "Mary Poppins" bore no relation to any earthly dialect, let alone Cockney! When it comes to casting the kids, I'd say it would be even more difficult to find actors who can get the accents right. I would like to hear the characters with a variety regional British accents, but for some reason, I cannot see anything other than 'Posh', 'Manchester', 'Cockney', 'Scots' or 'Irish' making it into the film, if the US audiences are in mind. Sidenote: Has anyone noticed how supposed Brits on American infomercials nearly always affect a Manchester accent? Is there something in their contract about this? Is this accent seen as more persuasive? Jane Leeves, on "Frasier", goes somewhere near Manchester, via Barnsley. Neil - being a bit waffly, as usual From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:30:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4698 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/20/00 5:30 pm (ET) I've been meaning to reply to many things that have been posted recently, but either fell asleep at my keyboard, leaving a nice imprint on my face, or discovered that someone else said what I was thinking, but put it much more concisely (not difficult). Anyway, to prefects. Every British school is different, so I don't think there's a rule that can applied to calculate the numbers at Hogwarts. There's no reason to assume that every House would have the same number of prefects - in one year, Slytherin might have one prefect to Gryffindor's five, for example. Prefects ought to be selected on merit, but it's possible that Hogwarts may require at least two per House. Although it seems to be the case in HP, prefects aren't necessarily appointed just to keep control of students from their own House; they are appointed to assist the teachers in enforcing discipline in the school as a whole. I was a prefect in my sixth and seventh years at my school and I was also the Library Prefect for my sins. I rarely had a clue which Houses the first and second years were in, but I knew who the troublemakers were! Simon's point about the train carriages is interesting, but assumes that all the students travel to Hogwarts on the same train. Perhaps some older students travel up earlier, use other modes of transport, or apparate right into their dorm beds. I get the impression that the Great Hall is really huge and could hold a thousand people or more. It accomodates another 20 or so students in book 4 and that would be a tight fit if it was only a 300 or so capacity venue. And now, I'd like to show you some graphs... (only kidding) Neil From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:35:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:35:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview (film casting) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4699 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: JKR interview (film casting) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4697] Re: JKR interview (film casting) Date: 7/20/00 5:35 pm (ET) About British accents in America: Well, I saw an interview with Jane Leeves once, and she said that the writers told her to speak with more of a Manchester accent to make it more likely that she has a strange family. Something like that - now that I say it, I can't remember exactly what she said. As for the infomercials, I assume you're talking about that ANNOYING guy in the bow tie that pours flaming gasoline on a car finish to prove how wonderful the polish is... I have no idea what his deal is - personally, I'd like to see him... well, it doesn't do to go into details like that. ;) Sadly, I agree that there will be only the well-known accents represented if WB decides to cater to the US audience. I, for one, would love to hear everyone in the cast speaking with a different accent, but that's probably because I'm strangely attracted to accents, and I can't attribute the same qualities to everyone else in America. Jen Ps. Husband and I have made plans to go to Europe next summer! Yay! Maybe I'll convince him that we should visit London next July 8th. ;) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:44:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4700 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Prefects...n'stuff Reply To: [Yahoo! #4698] Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/20/00 5:44 pm (ET) >>Perhaps some older students travel up earlier, use other modes of transport, or apparate right into their dorm beds.<< (Takes on a Hermione tone) "But you know you can't apparate or disapparate into Hogwarts!" Hehe... sorry - I could just hear her saying that in my head. The voices, you know, they never stop... I'd also like to comment on the whole population thing. I never got the impression that there's a set number of students in each house - that they have to be *even*. I think it may just be a coincidence that Slytherin and Gryffindor have 10 students each in Harry's year... and who's to say that there are exactly 40 first-years every year? By the sorting in GoF it looks like the majority are Hufflepuffs - and I saw VERY few Gryffindors at all. However, that being said, around 300 students at a time sounds about right... so maybe there is just an *average* of 40 students a year, and an *average* of 10 students per house. I can't imagine the Sorting Hat telling someone like Ron whose last name starts with a 'W' that he has to go into Hufflepuff because the Gryffindor dorm is already full. ;) Jen From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:47:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:47:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4701 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: British accents Reply To: [Yahoo! #4699] Re: JKR interview (film casting) Date: 7/20/00 5:47 pm (ET) <<As for the infomercials, I assume you're talking about that ANNOYING guy in the bow tie that pours flaming gasoline on a car finish to prove how wonderful the polish is... >> He's one of at least four that I've seen - all of them with a vaguely Manchester/Lancashire accent. I thought to myself 'there's a bizarre theme here - what's going on?'. I read somewhere that "Trainspotting" needed subtitles in the US, not only because of the Glaswegian accents but because of some of the words used. I can imagine that WB would want to avoid anything so extreme for a film aimed at children, but I think The Weasley's would be great as Liverpudlians (from Liverpool), and the Dursleys as Brummies (from Birmingham). Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4702 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prefects...n'stuff Reply To: [Yahoo! #4698] Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/20/00 5:49 pm (ET) "Perhaps some older students travel up earlier, use other modes of transport, or apparate right into their dorm beds." Well as Hermione says; "You can't Disapparate in the Hogwarts grounds, haven't I told you enough times?" And you have taken to naming yourself twice again Neil! Simon Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:52:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4703 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Prefects...n'stuff Reply To: [Yahoo! #4700] Re: Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/20/00 5:52 pm (ET) "I never got the impression that there's a set number of students in each house - that they have to be *even*." A good point. I had always asumed that they would have to be about even to make things like the Inter-House Cup fair on all. Also there would have to be roughly similar numbers each year in each house so that they would fit in the existing room. Although having sen the tents in GoF this may not be that necessary. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 21:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: HELP me join the party ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4704 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: HELP me join the party ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4676] HELP me join the party ! Date: 7/20/00 5:54 pm (ET) <<So PLEASE, PLEASE, could any of you members of the club (preferably British or Canadian since I read the UK version... get in touch with me in order to arrange some kind of deal>> Doriane - welcome! I know you've already had a generous offer from another member here, but as I'm in London, I'll offer too. Perhaps a swap for a French version of the first Harry Potter book? Anyway, the offer is there. My e-mail is neilward at dircon.co.uk Neil PS - Your English is excellent. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 22:00:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4705 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4700] Re: Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/20/00 6:00 pm (ET) Okay, okay, alright, already - so they can't apparate or disapparate! This of course proves that Jen and Simon are a pair of bossy swots, like Hermione, and I am a semi-ignorant hero, like Harry. Wanna fight? I warn you, I've got my hand on my wand! NeilNeilNeil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 22:06:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4706 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4705] Apparately, I'm wrong... Date: 7/20/00 6:06 pm (ET) "Okay, okay, alright, already - so they can't apparate or disapparate!" Also you cannot apparate until you are of age and have passed the test. As Percy does not take it until after he has finished at Hogwarts, I would guess that you do not start until you have graduated. "This of course proves that Jen and Simon are a pair of bossy swots, like Hermione, and I am a semi-ignorant hero, like Harry." Thanks for the complement! "Wanna fight? I warn you, I've got my hand on my wand!" Oh dear. I am feeling so scared. I can hardly type as I am shaking due to fright. SimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 22:10:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Book 4 .........spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4707 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Book 4 .........spoiler Date: 7/20/00 6:10 pm (ET) Sorry, I can't find the original message, but someone new said something dead interesting yesterday l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l It related to the Riddle House, and looking back to Tom Riddle's diary. To be honest I wasn't sure what they were getting at, except for the fact that the Chamber of Secrets was reported to have been opened 50 years ago, and two years later, the Riddle murders are reported as having happened 50 years ago. If we assume that 50 years in CoS could be the same as 52 years in GoF (people always talk in round figures don't they?), is the implication that the Basilisk killed the Riddles? Er, another thought. Is Nagini related to the Basilisk? To coin one of Simon's favourite phrases, 'this confused me'. Neil From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 20 23:32:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:32:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4708 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Percy and Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #4693] Re: Percy and Hermoine Date: 7/20/00 7:32 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e >>>>>The interesting thing about ... is which side he will choose in the coming events. It is obvious that his parents are going to support Dumbledore, not Fudge. I would suspect that the rest of the family will follow their lead. Except Percy. I just don't see him being able to go against the Minister of Magic. So I'm wondering if we will see a split in the Weasley family. I agree, I think this will be a very interesting development in the coming books. I like the way JKR has shown how the characteristics we have as children can be thought of as cute, but when we become adults they can lead to all sorts of problems. >>>P.S. I am not one of those who thinks that just because he refuses to believe that the Dark Lord is back, that Fudge is in cohorts with him. Someone else mentioned Neville Chamberlain and he was exactly the person that came to my mind. Interestingly, I have seen at least 5 posts on various NGs, including mine and Margarets, who refer to the Neville Chamberlain/Fudge parallel. And a lot of people of our generation (I am a few years older than JKR) are still very affected by WWII events though we were born after it. From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 00:31:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:31:00 -0400 Subject: Heads of House. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4709 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Heads of House. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4661] Re: Heads of House. Date: 7/20/00 8:31 pm (ET) << > Perhaps I missed it or maybe I just can't remember... How are Heads of Houses chosen? JKR hasn't told us how Heads of Houses are chosen, but I am convinced that the teacher appointed Head of a House must have been a member of that House in his/her student days. Since students are assigned to Houses based on their personality traits, how could a teacher from a different House be able to relate to his/her charges? >> I may be making this up, but I seem to recall in one of the books someone saying that the Heads of Houses had been members of their respective houses when they attended the school. Jennifer From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 00:38:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:38:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4710 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4667] Re: Prefects Date: 7/20/00 8:38 pm (ET) <<"the size of the castle's dining hall" What constitutes big? It sounds as if each of the students has plenty of space during a feast to spread out. You would need a table of at least 20 metres for 70 students. Add another 5 metres for the teachers table and another 5 metres to give room to wander easily between the table. This gives a room of 30m by 25m, which means nothing to me but sounds fairly big. Remember the description if being made by an 11 year old who has spent most of his time locked in a cupboard. Cramped is not an impression I get from the description of the Great Hall at Hogwarts.>> When I think about the Great Hall, I think of something like the tents in GoF and Holodecks in Star Trek (yes I'm a Trekkie, so there!) I would imagine that there are magical properties that would enlarge the hall, or at least make it feel bigger to accomidate(sp?) various numbers of people. Does that make sense? (If not, just read my mind.) Jennifer From schlaggen at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 01:10:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: JKR interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4711 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: JKR interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #4674] Re: JKR interview Date: 7/20/00 9:10 pm (ET) Return to Oz was based on The Land of Oz and Ozma of Oz. As a fan of both the movie and the books, I feel that Return to Oz flopped because it WAS faithful to the books, instead of being a continuation of the musical, which is likely to have been the only exposure a large portion of the audiance had prior to Return. On the other hand, the target audiance of Harry Potter WILL know what parts sre in the books, what parts have been cut, and what parts are inventions of WB From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 01:40:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4712 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4706] Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Date: 7/20/00 9:40 pm (ET) Shoot, Simon, you beat me to my other explanation. I (unfortunately) had to go to my swimming class, and so couldn't *also* reply that none of the students could apparate yet. >>"This of course proves that Jen and Simon are a pair of bossy swots, like Hermione, and I am a semi-ignorant hero, like Harry."<< Well, if you're not going to take the time to study your books, how are you ever going to learn them off by heart? (said in her best Hermione voice) Jen (bowing out of the fight and name-repeating game, as that's just macho boy-talk, and she's got some reading to do...) From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:18:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4713 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4129] Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/20/00 10:18 pm (ET) * * S P O I L E R S * * * > Also, you know how Neville is always so quiet in class? How come he suddenly put up his hand in the Defence Against Dark Arts class and volunteered about the Cruciatus Curse? Does he know more about his parents and Voldemort's followers? I think it is a very personal sort of thing. When we talked about the eye in biology - I answered all the questions (I am partially sighted - spent months of life in eye department of hospital) - when you are all discussing something so personal to you, you want to make sure you say it. I can't explain. Nicholas From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:18:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4714 From: Danemead Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILERS Date: 7/20/00 10:18 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P O I L E R TRA LA TRA LA 3 points to discuss: 1. What did the audience see during the 3rd Task of the Triwizard Tournament? I can't see a couple hundred people just sitting in the stands staring at the 20 foot high hedge for an hour or so. I wonder if they had overhead magic-cams and big diamond concert screen thingies so they could watch the champions get thru the maze. What a great moment if they could have SEEN Harry and Diggory decide to take the cup together, and then vanish. ZOWIE! 2. Why doesn't Dumbledore use his Pensieve on Harry, and just EXTRACT the whole Voldemort episode from Harry's thoughts? In addition to providing a clear picture of what happened, just like the courtroom scene Harry witnessed thru Dumbledore's stored memories, it would have provided proof not only of Peter Pettigrew's continued existence, but also provided the names of the Death Eaters who rejoined Voldemort. 3. As an aside, it's interesting that none of Harry's friends or teachers has ever witnessed Harry battling with Voldemort. Harry alone survived his babyhood encounter with Voldemort; Harry was alone with Quirrel (who ended up dead) & Voldemort; he was alone with Tom Riddle and the Basilisk; he was alone with Voldemort and the Death Eaters. It'd be nice if some time there were some friendly AND powerful witnesses to what Harry has achieved through his own bravery. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:19:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4715 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Protecting Harry - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4102] Protecting Harry - SPOILER Date: 7/20/00 10:19 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE SPOILER SPACE ****** I'm Just Wild About Harry! And Harry's Wild About Meeeeee! ******** > I'm starting to see Privet Drive as a "Godfather" kind of neighborhood, with all the houses owned by "family" - LOL! I just want to see Jo Pesci stab someone in the neck with a wand... From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:20:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4716 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: British accents Reply To: [Yahoo! #4701] Re: British accents Date: 7/20/00 10:20 pm (ET) This may qualify as an admission of ignorance but as someone who can barely distinguish a South African from an Australian by there accents, I can not begin to tell you what distinguishes a Liverpool accent from a Birmingham accent from Manchester accent. I suspect that those of you on the Eastern side of the pond would have a similar difficulty telling the differences between a Texas accent, an Oklahoma accent and a Kansas accent. It takes a lot of exposure to the actual accents to be able to tell the difference. Which brings my main point. The actor's accents will be even less relevent than their nationality to the success or failure of the movie. They could all have the same accents as Kevin Costner (Robin Hood), Dick van Dyke (Mary Poppins) and Robin Williams (Mrs. Doubtfire) (all of which I understand are bad accents but you couldn't prove it by me) and if the script is well written, the movie well acted and it has the kind of production values it deserves, it will be a great success. Fail on those counts and getting the accents perfect won't help a single iota. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:21:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:21:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4717 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Reply To: [Yahoo! #4060] Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Date: 7/20/00 10:21 pm (ET) s p o i l m e b a b y !!!!!!!!! I'd like to see Reese Witherspoon as Fleur. And soesnt her name mean flowers of the heart? Sorry - I don't do french... From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:45:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:45:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4718 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4713] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/20/00 10:45 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Neville is such a quiet timid boy, yet he carries this huge knowledge about his parents' condition and how it came about. You have to wonder if he remembers what they were like before the Cruciatus Curse was used on them. Also everyone rather expects him not to say much at all in class, so his piping up regarding such a terrifying curse is surprising. And his expression upon seeing the curse that destroyed his parents was probably similar to the horror that was most likely on Harry's face (even though it wasn't described) when Moody demonstrated the Avada Kedavra Curse. Although I feel so sorry for Neville, I think knowing this about him, gives his character a depth that wasn't there before. I am looking forward to seeing what's in store for Neville in the coming books. And contrary to the theory that he will betray Harry a la Pettigrew, I think he'll demonstrate a fortitude heretofore not seen. BTW, anyone else notice that Avada Kedavra sounds an awful lot like Abracadabra? Trina From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:51:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Discussion: Movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4719 From: angelx_ph Subject: Discussion: Movie Date: 7/20/00 10:51 pm (ET) With all this hoopla on the casting of "Harry Potter", other important details have been ignored like who do you think would be the best behind the scenes people for the movie? Here's a few suggestions: The Visual Effects - I hear Robert Legato (the guy who won an Oscar for sinking the "Titanic" and helped recreate "Apollo 13") is in charge of bringing the Quidditch game to life and creating a computer-generated Voldemort. Good choice. The Creatures/Makeup Design - Who's gonna create Fluffy, Nordbert and the Troll? If I was producer/director, I'd pick either Stan Winston or Jim Henson Creature Shop. For make-up, I'm going with Rick Baker. The Music - This is a very important element in the film. He (or she) is gonna compose the "Harry Potter" theme (which will probably be used in all seven films much like the James Bond or Superman theme). The music also must be good enough to make us hum it as we reread the books. Five composers come to mind: a.) John Williams - For those of you who heard his score for "Home Alone", the type which I believe is most suited to "Harry Potter", you know why. b.) Danny Elfman - One of the best film score composer in contemporary cinema, IMO. His credits include the first two "Batman" movies, "Sleepy Hollow", "Men In Black" and "Good Will Hunting". He will capture the "dark" and "weird" mood of the world of "Harry Potter" no doubt. c.) James Horner - He did the "Titanic" score, of course. He also composed "Apollo 13", "Braveheart", "Aliens" and "An American Tail". Hands up anyone who wants him to put words to his music and have Celine Dion sing it during the closing credits! I predict the title song is: "Believe In The Magic" (LOL). d.) Rachel Portman - Probably one of the very few women composers working in Hollywood today (if I'm not mistaken, she's a Brit too). She did the beautiful score to "The Cider House Rules". e.) Randy Newman - A lot of people may disagree on this but with his work on the two "Toy Story" movies, "A Bug's Life" and "James and the Giant Peach" are noteworthy. The Production Design - Who is best suited to bring J.K. Rowling's imagined places to life? Who's gonna create Privet Drive, Diagon Alley and of course, Hogwarts? Being a film buff, three people come to mind: Bo Welch (he did the sets of "Men In Black", "A Little Princess", etc.), Eugenio Zanetti (he did "The Haunting" - bad film, great sets and "What Dreams May Come") and the guy who did "Sleepy Hollow", Rick Heinrichs. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:51:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4720 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4714] What did the audience see? - SPOILERS Date: 7/20/00 10:51 pm (ET) References made to HP 4 .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . I wondered about the second point you raised about the Pensieve. I believe that either 1) Dumbledore's Pensieve is his own personal Pensieve and therefore only to contain his thoughts (not that Harry couldn't get one as well). Or 2) by placing a thought into the Pensieve essentially the thought is removed from the person (silly I know). Dumbledore wouldn't deny Harry from maintaining this memory, horrible as it may have been. From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:55:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Reese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4721 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Reese Reply To: [Yahoo! #4717] Re: Book IV: Casting ****Spoilers!!**** Date: 7/20/00 10:55 pm (ET) Ok...you Brits have had your chance, now I'm speaking up for all the French in this club (myself included, even if I do live in the States now). If you think you can detect a false English accent from kilometers away, the French can detect a false French accent from the next galaxy. She may be pretty enough, but no. Just, no. Sorry...feeling a smidge home sick, stuck in the midwest. Tori From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:55:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: Pensieve power Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4722 From: smitster1 Subject: Pensieve power Date: 7/20/00 10:55 pm (ET) Of course, one could always reaquire a memory by watching it over again using the Pensieve. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 02:58:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:58:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4723 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4714] What did the audience see? - SPOILERS Date: 7/20/00 10:58 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E T R A L A L A 1. What did the audience see? I think they saw it all, after all, they were in the quidditch stands, which are raised so that everyone can see the action. Therefore they were looking down into the maze. So I do believe they saw Harry and Cedric grab the portkey and vanish. 2. Perhaps a pensieve is an extremely personal item that only the person to whom it belongs may use it, but that anyone who comes across may fall into and witness. But it would do Harry some good to have the use of it, I agree. Or maybe, Dumbledore knows that Harry needs to remember the experience to use it in a future encounter with the big bad V. Trina From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 03:26:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4724 From: davehoz Subject: Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4720] Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Date: 7/20/00 11:26 pm (ET) References made to HP 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Maybe it requires miles of Ministry of Magic red tape to get your own pensieve (As with time turners). From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 03:29:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4725 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4718] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/20/00 11:29 pm (ET) >And contrary to the theory that he will betray Harry a la Pettigrew, I think he'll demonstrate a >fortitude heretofore not seen. JKR has said that Neville will *not* go to the Dark Side, in fact... .. . POSSIBLE SPOILER FOR NEVILLE'S FUTURE . . . . . ... She has hinted that Neville will become a TEACHER at Hogwarts! (Herbology, presumably.) From rynia_sedai at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 03:36:00 2000 From: rynia_sedai at yahoo.com (rynia_sedai) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: Possible Spoiler for Neville's Future Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4726 From: rynia_sedai Subject: Re:Possible Spoiler for Neville's Future Reply To: [Yahoo! #4725] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/20/00 11:36 pm (ET) <She [J.K.R] has hinted that Neville will become a TEACHER at Hogwarts! (Herbology, presumably.)> Does this mean that J.K.R. plans on writing books about life after Hogwarts? Wouldn't that be cool?! ~Jennifer From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 03:49:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4727 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4714] What did the audience see? - SPOILERS Date: 7/20/00 11:49 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p o i l e r Wow. Good points, Danemead. And if the audience was able to watch the 4 champions in the maze, then wouldnt they have seen Moody/Crouch attack Fleur and Viktor? And thats a good point that Harry always seems to wind up fighting Voldy on his own, however in SS, doesnt Dumbledore show up and save him from Quirrell just in the nick of time? From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 03:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4728 From: Danemead Subject: Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Reply To: [Yahoo! #4723] Re: What did the audience see? - SPOILER Date: 7/20/00 11:54 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E T R A L A L A My point about using the Pensieve to extract the memory was so that the authorities would have a VISUAL record of what happened when Voldemort was reborn -- kinda like those police car video cameras that capture what happens when a traffic stop goes terribly wrong. I agree that all Harry would have to do is watch to remember the incident for himself. And I believe it's a psychological fact that the mind FORGETS pain as a sensation. Harry would remember that the Cruciatus Curse was used on him, and he would remember that it was agonizing, but the mind and body don't actually re-create the pain along with the memory. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:05:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects...n'stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4729 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Prefects...n'stuff Reply To: [Yahoo! #4700] Re: Prefects...n'stuff Date: 7/21/00 12:05 am (ET) > I can't imagine the Sorting Hat telling someone like Ron whose last name starts with a 'W' that he has to go into Hufflepuff because the Gryffindor dorm is already full. ;) I took it for granted from the beginning that one little part of the magic at Hogwart's is that each dorm room adjusts itself to the number of students it will contain. The adjustment, perhaps instantaneous, takes place during the feast that happens right after the Sorting. This left me with two things to wonder about: 1) if a student dropped out or died, would his/her bed vanish from the dorm room or would it remain as a reminder to the bereaved roommates? 2) If it happened that there were a large number of first-years Sorted into the same House, would their dorm room adjust by becoming gigantic or by becoming multiple rooms? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4730 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4706] Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Date: 7/21/00 12:10 am (ET) > Oh dear. I am feeling so scared. I can hardly type as I am shaking due to fright. SimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimonSimon Oh, dear. You are just as delightful a writer as Neil. > Also you cannot apparate until you are of age and have passed the test. Just the same as you can't be an Animagus unless you register with the government? Which gives me another opportunity to ask, what is the big deal about being an Animagus? What makes it so different from Transfiguring into an animal, like s p o i l e r s p a c e turning Draco into a ferret? Or Krum turning himself into a shark (but badly)? Could one at least strongly influence the animal that one would become as an Animagus by Transfiguring into that animal every day? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:11:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:11:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4731 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4718] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 12:11 am (ET) > BTW, anyone else notice that Avada Kedavra sounds an awful lot like Abracadabra? Yes, but first I noticed that Kedavra sounds like Cadaver. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:13:00 -0400 Subject: Reese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4732 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Reese Reply To: [Yahoo! #4721] Reese Date: 7/21/00 12:13 am (ET) > now I'm speaking up for all the French in this club (myself included, even if I do live in the States now). (snip) Sorry...feeling a smidge home sick, stuck in the midwest. Does visiting New Orleans or Quebec make you feel better or worse? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:16:00 -0400 Subject: Reese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4733 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Reese Reply To: [Yahoo! #4721] Reese Date: 7/21/00 12:16 am (ET) > Ok...you Brits have had your chance, now I'm speaking up for all the French in this club (myself included, even if I do live in the States now). I recall some muttering on this e-mail-list against the ethnic stereotyping in GoF, and people saying: "How will the French and Germans feel when it is translated into French and German?" So did you think the ethnic stereotyping was offensive? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:21:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4734 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: British accents Reply To: [Yahoo! #4716] Re: British accents Date: 7/21/00 12:21 am (ET) <<I suspect that those of you on the Eastern side of the pond would have a similar difficulty telling the differences between a Texas accent, an Oklahoma accent and a Kansas accent.>> You're right, that's very true! So, imagine a film made in Britain, with British actors playing supposed Texan ranchers but sounding like they they come from sort-of-South-Carolina or, worse, some generic American state. <<The actor's accents will be even less relevent than their nationality to the success or failure of the movie [snip] if the script is well written, the movie well acted and it has the kind of production values it deserves, it will be a great success. Fail on those counts and getting the accents perfect won't help a single iota.>> True enough, when it comes to success or failure, but, why spoil the effect for those people (in this case, British audiences) who could detect the bad accents at fifty paces? Why not increase the authenticity and cast people who can speak, naturally, with their own accents, or at least determine how good/bad their accent is? I'm now thinking of Keanu Reeves in that Dracula film. He could have given a tour-de-force, Oscar-winning performance (actually, he was a stiff as a plank), but all I would be thinking was, 'what a *dreadful* English accent'. It didn't help that I knew what his real accent was like. This isn't a UK vs US point, it's about actors attempting unfamiliar regional accents and failing. Jim Dale is English, but, in his attempt to make Minerva McGonagall sound Scottish on the US Harry Potter CDs, he sounds just as bad as Robin Williams' Mrs Doubtfire. Och aye, the noo! Neil From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 04:36:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:36:00 -0400 Subject: New Orleans and book translations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4735 From: tori_grrrl Subject: New Orleans and book translations Reply To: [Yahoo! #4732] Re: Reese Date: 7/21/00 12:36 am (ET) New Orleans is like a little slice of home in some places...love listening to the people talk! Saint Louis isn't really that bad, little French areas still exist here, but people still look at me funny when I pronounce it "San Loui". I did not find the "ethnic stereotyping" offensive at all. I think it added depth to the story, if that makes any sense. The thing is, the French are very proud people, and it shows in the characters. On the same level, Gereman people tend to be more stoic, and it come across that way in the book. I think it simply serves to make the books more diverse. Well, that's my opinion. Like I've said before, I could be wrong, but probably not. Tori From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 05:02:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: Stupid Factoid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4736 From: joywitch999 Subject: Stupid Factoid Date: 7/21/00 1:02 am (ET) Ok, this is kind of dumb, but I am reading the Spanish version of Book 1 - Harry Potter y la piedra filosofal - and there is a funny mistranslation. In the letter that Harry gets from Hogwarts, it says that students can bring a cat or an owl or a turtle! Yes, Nevilles pet, Trevor, is a turtle in the Spanish version. OK, well, anyway, I got a chuckle out of it even if you did not. From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 05:07:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:07:00 -0400 Subject: Stupid Factoid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4737 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Stupid Factoid Reply To: [Yahoo! #4736] Stupid Factoid Date: 7/21/00 1:07 am (ET) That's kinda weird, considering how often he looses his toad...I didn't know turtles could get away that quickly. Tori From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 05:43:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:43:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4738 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: British accents Reply To: [Yahoo! #4734] Re: British accents Date: 7/21/00 1:43 am (ET) Actually, to go the other way (Brits playing Americans), my boyfriend has only a few criticisms for the original "Parent Trap." One of these was the fact that both Boston twin Sharon and California twin Susan, had British accents (played by Hayley Mills). But then, I rarely hear anyone complaining about the British Vivian Leigh having played Georgian belle Scarlett O'Hara. I wonder if there was as much protest about that in 1938, as there is about an American Harry today. Just a little food for thought (or empty babbling, take your pick <g>). Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 06:36:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:36:00 -0400 Subject: Jim Dale Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4739 From: Danemead Subject: Jim Dale Interview Date: 7/21/00 2:36 am (ET) There's a nice interview, with photos and sound clips, on Jim Dale, the narrator of the HP audiobooks: http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/18/jim.dale/ From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 06:41:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:41:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4740 From: S_Ings Subject: RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4598] RE: Chapter 1??? (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/21/00 2:41 am (ET) I know this question has been answered and we're now on to Chapter 2, but here goes (after a small spoiler space!) s p o i l e r s p a c e i t h i n k this is enough Checking back on the part where Voldy says one more murder and his path to Harry will be clear - the Canadian (and I suspect UK version) say "one more obstacle" and the path will be clear. Definitely leaves it open to more possibilities - I think the meant the removal of the real Moody. Just my 2 cents worth Sheryll From catzfavre at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 07:50:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:50:00 -0400 Subject: Book 1 question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4741 From: catzfavre Subject: Book 1 question Date: 7/21/00 3:50 am (ET) This is from SS but it has been nawing at my brain ever since I reread it. If owls, cats, and toads are the only approved animals at Hogwarts, how can Ron have Scabbers there? I know Percy had Scabbers first, but that still doesn't explain it. (of course, taking Scabbers out would completely change the rest of the books, but that doesn't matter right now! We are talking about my sanity!) Jennifer-who is beating her head against the wall. From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 08:06:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:06:00 -0400 Subject: Background Material in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4742 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Background Material in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4567] Background Material in HP Date: 7/21/00 4:06 am (ET) Spoiler <<Enough with the background stuff already!>> Hey--I beg to differ! I actually missed the wealth of background information in the first 3. I enjoyed the liesurely feel of leaning back and letting the previous run of the story soak into my bones again. It's not so much that I needed the facts again--I'd already read each of the first books at elst 3 times!--I just liked the ritual of it. I guess I was the kind of kid who loved to keep hearing the same story over and over and over. BTW, I missed hearing about Harry's 14 birthday, too! From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 08:12:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:12:00 -0400 Subject: TV series & UHPFC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4743 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: TV series & UHPFC Reply To: [Yahoo! #4551] Re: Animated TV series Date: 7/21/00 4:12 am (ET) I'm big fan of Tealin's drawings, too. She's a nice person, too--I've exchanged a few comments with her on the UHPFC boards. BTW, I'm generally a big fan of Jena's UHPFC. It's an amazing piece of work. The rumours are great. She had up some very acurate rumours about GoF before the book was published--I'm still wondering where they came from! Mike From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 08:37:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:37:00 -0400 Subject: Apparately, I'm wrong... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4744 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4730] Re: Apparately, I'm wrong... Date: 7/21/00 4:37 am (ET) "> Also you cannot apparate until you are of age and have passed the test. Just the same as you can't be an Animagus unless you register with the government?" As we were talking about apparating to Hogwarts I think that it is a very valid point. They are hardly going to let students do something illegal to get ot school, especially if they risk being seen by muggle (cf. CoS and that car). "Which gives me another opportunity to ask, what is the big deal about being an Animagus? What makes it so different from Transfiguring into an animal, like s p o i l e r s p a c e turning Draco into a ferret? Or Krum turning himself into a shark (but badly)?" Draco wass turned by someone else, so that is very different. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 08:46:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:46:00 -0400 Subject: Book 1 question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4745 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Book 1 question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4741] Book 1 question Date: 7/21/00 4:46 am (ET) "If owls, cats, and toads are the only approved animals at Hogwarts, how can Ron have Scabbers there?" The list says that 'students may also bring an owl OR a cat OR a toad.' This is a non-exhaustive list. It does not say that they may not bring any other animal. It says that they can only bring one of those mentioned. This is a classic example of reading the instructions carefully to see what you may do to get round the rules. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 11:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:21:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi.... some thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4746 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Animagi.... some thoughts Date: 7/21/00 7:21 am (ET) I see being an Animagus as a bit like being a specialist driver. Before you take your Animagus out on the road, the Ministry wants to know that you have the maturity to handle its inevitable mood swings and that you won't be wild and dangerous in your animal form. Transfiguration is more like taking motor maintenance classes or regular driving lessons (Drivers' Ed, I think it is, in the States) and later, like normal, day-to-day driving. Imagine if ten and eleven year-olds were permitted to become Animagi at will? The school corridors would be like a menagerie, with pigs, dogs, blast-ended skrewts and wildebeest roaming the corridors, looking for a good time. Filch would not be happy with the mess. I wonder if Sirius Black had to prove his skills at Parallel Barking, before he got his licence? Neil From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 11:57:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:57:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4747 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: US Book font ? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4692] US Book font ? Date: 7/21/00 7:57 am (ET) I work at an art school with lots of big boks of typography (fonts). I'll do a little reserach and see what I come up with. My mom also uses HP in her classroom, so I understand wanting to make it special for the kids. Sam D. From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 11:58:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:58:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi.... some thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4748 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Animagi.... some thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4746] Animagi.... some thoughts Date: 7/21/00 7:58 am (ET) >>I wonder if Sirius Black had to prove his skills at Parallel Barking, before he got his licence?<< Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning!! Sam D. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 12:44:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:44:00 -0400 Subject: Reese Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4749 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Reese Reply To: [Yahoo! #4721] Reese Date: 7/21/00 8:44 am (ET) > If you think you can detect a false English accent from kilometers away, the French can detect a false French accent from the next galaxy I can beleive it - but the English accents I hear on American TV are just sickening. Sorry I an't think of any - but you yanks hate us in films. Us brits are turning into the bad guys (the one about the enigma machine undermines our role in WW2 etc, most villains are british). There's no way Hollywood are going to use british actorys - and even if they keep british accents - rgey will be blatently americanised. Personally I think this movie is going to be more disapointing that Star Wars: Episode 1, and I have already decided not to go and see it without sending a scout party to the cinema. If you french get peeved about a bad french accent - it's about time you share some of this american talent. PS. I only said Reese, because thats sort of what I pictured her like in the book, and b> i don't know any french actresses. Sorry you yanks, it's not your fault - it's going to be Hollywood who fumble it up, they really underestimate the intelligence of the ordinary yank (IMHO). Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 12:50:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4750 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4718] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 8:50 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E BTW, anyone else notice that Avada Kedavra sounds an awful lot like Abracadabra? I noticed that immediately too - how can you explain muggles knowing it though? Do you reckon medieval dafty muggles saw it being used, and tried it with sticks - forgor what it did - and just remembered it was magic of some sort? Then it got all mixed up... From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 13:04:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? And Critical Mass... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4751 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: US Book font ? And Critical Mass... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4747] Re: US Book font ? Date: 7/21/00 9:04 am (ET) Talking about the font used, this reminds me - my friend Tom wanted to know if the ink in your copied of Book 4 ran? I mean - can it be smudged? Will someone be brave enough to try this on somewhere unimportant? I really don't know why he is so bothered, mind. Another thing - you may have seen that I am now posting again (you probably didn't realise I had stopped). But all my posts now come at once. I really agree with everything I read here - but by the time i have finished reading all of the e-mail - someone has already agreed - and i can't add 'my two cents'. This group has become so large - I think it may have reached Critical Mass - anyone thought of spliting it? Please don't kill me... If you were - it would still be easy to visit both - it's not like you'd never talk to anyone ever again - we need to find a a natural divide line, like discussing book 4, and specualting book 5, and then the discussion of mundane wizarding activities - such as the pets in Hogwarts etc.. I don't mean to offend - has anyone else found the number of postings unmaneagable? Excuse typos Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 13:19:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4752 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4201] Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 9:19 am (ET) How do we know Hagrid's wand was snapped? He got very unnerved when talking to mr Olivander (is that his name - I dont have my boks with me) - when he asked "I presume they snapped it. Hagrid seemes like a forgetfull clumsy sort of person - and I doubt he had his wand with him when he was called to see the then Head master. Was it the old head teacher who got rid of him, or Dumbledore? Both of them knew that he didn't do anything, so I suppose they just 'forgot' about it. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 13:57:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:57:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4753 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4752] Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 9:57 am (ET) Salut ! > How do we know Hagrid's wand was snapped? If I remember well, he says so himself when he talks to Harry for the very first time in the Hut-on-the-rocks. > Hagrid seemes like a forgetfull clumsy sort of person - and I doubt he had his wand with him when he was called to see the then Head master. Students seem to always carry their wand around with them, must be a part of the "uniform". > Was it the old head teacher who got rid of him, or Dumbledore? Both of them knew that he didn't do anything, so I suppose they just 'forgot' about it. Had to be the old Headmaster who threw him out, but maybe after counseling with Dumbledore. None of them, however, could have known he was innocent ( even if Dumbledore suspected it ) since he *was* found with a monster and the attacks *did* stop after he was expelled. A plus ! Doriane From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:01:00 -0400 Subject: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4754 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Date: 7/21/00 10:01 am (ET) Hi: Jennifer raised the ancestor/descendant issue again earlier this week -- just now replying. Recap: In the UK editions of CoS (and in the earliest American editions), Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort is the last remaining *ancestor* of Salazar Slytherin. In the later American editions, it was changed to read the last remaining *descendant* of Slytherin. I have speculated whether or not the American editors *should* have made that change, and here's why. It was something that absolutely leapt off the page at me (I am a genealogist though so perhaps that's why). "Last remaining" implies *descendant* and yet they said *ancestor*. It still strikes me as a very obvious "error" that would have been caught by any editor worth his or her salt. So . . . I was left wondering if maybe the UK editors tried to make the change and JKR said, "oh no, no! *Ancestor* is precisely what I intended. Leave it alone." I picture she'd have had less hands-on interaction with the Scholastic editors, and that they changed it for one of the later printing editions, just based on the assumption that "last remaining ancestor" makes no sense. Maybe the UK members could check their later versions (later printings that is) -- did it ever get changed in the UK edition? If so, that would settle the debate I suppose. When I first raised the issue, I had an early UK version & a later American version. I've since learned that the earliest American versions had "ancestor" as well. So, maybe it got changed in a later UK version as well. It is still a mystery as far as I'm concerned. Raises all sorts of plot implications if it was indeed intended to be "ancestor"! Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:02:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:02:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Parent Trap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4755 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: British accents Parent Trap Reply To: [Yahoo! #4738] Re: British accents Date: 7/21/00 10:02 am (ET) In the remake of the Parent Trap, the one child, Annie, I think, is supposed to be british, like her mother (Now, how about her for Mrs W?). Of course, the girl is American, and doesn't do a good job on accents. She has the looks, though of Hermione, at least how I pictured her. A few crumbs more. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:12:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:12:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4756 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4750] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 10:12 am (ET) I also thought that "kedavra" sounds very close to "cadaver" Maybe we should do some scouring in dictionaries.... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:28:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4757 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4753] Re: Hagrid's wand (non-spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 10:28 am (ET) Ron and Hermione when going to the Quidditch game that Snape was officiating, carried their wands, earning odd looks from the other students. This leads me to believe that wands are not normally carried, unless you plan to do magic with them. From hokers99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:32:00 2000 From: hokers99 at yahoo.com (hokers99) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:32:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4758 From: hokers99 Subject: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 10:32 am (ET) Sorry if this is off topic, but I have a quick question about the first edition Harry Potter books. Should we be buying them up left right and centre and selling them to eager american book collectors? The reason I ask is that I got a signed copy, though it is a second print, when I went into my local bookshop and JKR was doing a signing. I thought I would have a look and ebay has signed firsts going for over '400! Various other websites are also saying that the US first edition is not a true first etc. So should I invest '9.99 a time, about 15USD in a few firsts that are in my local bookshop? Can anyone advise me? Cheers Steve From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:36:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:36:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4759 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: US Book font ? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4747] Re: US Book font ? Date: 7/21/00 10:36 am (ET) okay, research done. The font used for chapter titles was designed specifically for the books, at least as far as I can tell. I could find not font like that in any of our reference books. I did fond three that look similar and could have been the base for what was designed: "Musketeer Light", "Trum Medieval", and "University Roman". Hope that helps, Sam D. :) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4760 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: US Book font ? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4759] Re: US Book font ? Date: 7/21/00 10:39 am (ET) In the copy of Scholastic that I got this week, there is a paragraph after the end of the book talking about fonts. I looked briefly at it, but I admit to not being in my right mind (having finished SS who could be?) at the time. I will look it up and recopy it here sometime this weekend, unless you post that this isn't wanted. Dee From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:39:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:39:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4761 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #4221] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/21/00 10:39 am (ET) Not really a very important peice of S P O I L E R I N F O R M A T I O N > It is not at all clear that it is *possible* to get a new house elf. I don't have CoS right here to look quotes, but there's someplace in it where Ron tells Harry that his mother would like to have a house elf (so why didn't anyone fix Dobby or Winky up with Mrs Weasley) but they only live in real old houses: I got the impression that house elves have to be INHERITED. But didn't Dobby and or Winky go looking for work as soon as they were sacked/freed? And didn't Winky get re-employed at Hogwarts. Also - I think Ron mentions somewhere that all they could afford to have in their house was the ghoul. Nicholas From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:41:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:41:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4762 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4757] Re: Hagrid's wand Date: 7/21/00 10:41 am (ET) If I remember correctly when the wand shop keeper, (can't remember his name) asked about his wand Hagrid was holding his umbrella. My theroy is that parts of his wand are some how sewn in or something in his umbrella and that is why he got so nervous. That just what I think Janet From karob_7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:43:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4763 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Reply To: [Yahoo! #4754] Ancestor/Descendant Recap Date: 7/21/00 10:43 am (ET) That could be prove to be really interesting (and frightening) if she did mean to use ancestor rather than descendant. I still think she meant descendant--because the Heir of Slytherin is the only one that can open the CoS, and "heir" indicates descendant. Of course, I don't think it ever says explicitly that Voldemort/Tom Riddle was the Heir of Slytherin though it's implied--I don't have my copy of CoS with me right now. Those are my thoughts, but I could be wrong (it does happen occasionally). And if Voldemort is the ancestor of Salazar Slytherin, there may still be an Heir of Slytherin still out there. Karin From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:46:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:00 -0400 Subject: Music.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4764 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Music.... Date: 7/21/00 10:46 am (ET) Has anyone familiarity with the song "Magic" by Gypsy, off the Enchantress album? It's a wiccan singer but I think the song would make an excellent HP theme song... Will dig out my tape, and transcribe the words here in another post. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:52:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:52:00 -0400 Subject: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4765 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Reply To: [Yahoo! #4754] Ancestor/Descendant Recap Date: 7/21/00 10:52 am (ET) Salut ! I've got a paperback UK edition, and it reads "descendant". My mother is very much into genealogy too so that I very early learned not to say "ancestor" for "descendant". And that's when I began to notice how many people actually do the mistake, and they won't understand when I try to explain the difference. So maybe it is the *first editor* who made a mistake, which was soon corrected afterwards, maybe by JKR herself. It's just a possibility of course, but sorry, my very logical French thinking cannot stand to read " the last remaining ancestor ". Or again maybe it's reincarnation ... A plus ! Doriane From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:54:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4766 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4758] UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 10:54 am (ET) I would say so. Even if you can't find any buyers, you could donate them to local charities for kids that can't afford to buy books. I myself would like to get my hands on a hardcover UK edition of SS (or I should say PS), but can't afford it right now. Sam D. :) From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:58:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:58:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4767 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4762] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 10:58 am (ET) > My theroy is that parts of his wand are some how sewn in or something in his umbrella and that is why he got so nervous. You're totally right, his wand is hidden inside the umbrella. But the question was, in how many pieces, one or more ? My opinion is 2. Doriane From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 14:59:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: Music.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4768 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Music.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4764] Music.... Date: 7/21/00 10:59 am (ET) Magick, Magick, Magick, if you use your imagination Magick, Magick, Magick, is a doorway to the mind Magick, Magick, Magick,oh it takes a bit of concentration With Magick, Magick, real Magick of a very special kind Here is how to cast a spell to know what is to be Throw a coin in a wishing well and see what you can see Or look inside of a crystal ball with the art of divination Listen to your inner voice you will find the information With Magick, Magick, Magick you cantake your imagination Magick, Magick, Magick, through the doorways of the mind Magick, Magick, Magick, you may find a lot of inspiration with Magick, Magick, real Magick of a very special kind Magick is a mystery as ancient as the Sun If you know your history, you'll see how far we've come Let the Light surround you, there is so much to be done Education, evolution, ascention to the One. True Magick, Magick, Magic, go to stars and moons and constellations Magick, Magick, real Magick, Universal Mind Magick, Magick, Magick, you can use your imagination of a very special kind Rainbows you may find of a very special kind Magick, Magick, Magick, if you use your imagination Magick, Magick, Magick, is a doorway to the mind Magick, Magick, Magick,oh it takes a bit of concentration With Magick, Magick, real Magick of a very special kind Magick, Magick, Magick, you can take your imagination Magick, Magick, Magick, through the doorways of the mind Magick, Magick, Magick, you may find a lot of inspiration with Magick, Magick, Magick Now the covering my butt stuff! White Light Pentacles/Sacred Spirit Products (BMI) PO Box 8163 Salem Mass. 01971-8163 From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:01:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:01:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4769 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4758] UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 11:01 am (ET) What matters is having a First Edition, First Printing, which means that on the title page, in addition to saying First Edition, it will also have a string of numbers like this: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 that *1* has to be there for it to be a first printing. I will say that if anyone finds a first printing of any of the first 3 books (UK or US) in a regular book store please let me know : ) (and I'm sure a dozen or so other people would say the same) I have first edition/first printings of PoA (US), CoS (US) and GoF (US & UK) but even though my copy of PoA was sent from amazon.co.uk the day it was published, I only have a second printing - the first print run was only 10,000 books. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:02:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4770 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #4768] Re: Music.... Date: 7/21/00 11:02 am (ET) "This book was art directed by David Saylor and designed by Becky Terhune. The art for both the jacket and interior was created using pastels on toned printmaking paper. The text was set in 12-point Adobe Garamond, a typeface based on the sixteenth-century designs of Claude Garamond, redrawn by Robert Slimbach in 1989. This book was printed and bound at Quebecor Fairfield, in Fairfield, Pennsylvia. The production was supervised by Angela Biola and Mike Derevjanik." From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:05:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4771 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4769] Re: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 11:05 am (ET) OOooo that's scary. Mine just says 40 39 38 !!! I guess Harry is popular over here! Dee From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:05:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: Draco - *Spoiler* Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4772 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Reply To: [Yahoo! #4761] Re: Draco - *Spoiler* Date: 7/21/00 11:05 am (ET) I know it's not a pleasant subject, but I remind you that house-elves are *slaves* until they are freed by their master giving them a piece of clothing. And slaves : 1. have to be acquired at first, which is why the Weasleys can't afford one 2. remain in the family until they are freed, which is why they come with old manors of rich (or formerly rich) families like the Malfoys, where they get inherited generation after generation. Only my opinion. Doriane From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:07:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:07:00 -0400 Subject: Query.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4773 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Query.... Date: 7/21/00 11:07 am (ET) I have plopped my SS beside my untouched Book 3, and discoved something. The cover on my SS is rough to the touch (slip cover that is), sorta velvety feel. The one of B3 is smooth. My copy of B1 is also taller than B3. Did they make various copies in various sizes? Both are hardback. Dee From karob_7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:12:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:12:00 -0400 Subject: Font Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4774 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Font Reply To: [Yahoo! #4770] Font Date: 7/21/00 11:12 am (ET) Regarding the information at the end of the book, Adobe Garamond refers to the text of the book, but the chapter headings and title page are in a different font. I don't remember who was looking for the font, but you may want to check with the webmistress of the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club site, or perhaps any other Harry Potter site that uses this font. The url for the UHPFC site, I think, is www.harrypotterfans.net Hope this helps. Karin From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:15:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:15:00 -0400 Subject: Query.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4775 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Query.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4773] Query.... Date: 7/21/00 11:15 am (ET) > Did they make various copies in various sizes? Why not ? After all in England they made an adult version and a kid version of each book ( and personnally, even though I'm an adult - or supposed to :-) -, I'll stick to the kids' book : *much* nicer ). Do From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:20:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: Query.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4776 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Query.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4775] Re: Query.... Date: 7/21/00 11:20 am (ET) I agree - I like the kids version. As to the different books - since I have such a mismatch of books - SS from the USA - hardback, CoS and PoA from UK - I was "home" visiting my family at the time I really discovered HP magic - one in Hardback and one in Paperback. My collection does not look very impressive - BUT but GoF and SS - the two USA editions I own are the same - except for the thickness of course - especially under the dustjacket - if you look - although in different colours they are very similar. Anna - who's off to do battle with the INS..... From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:29:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: Query.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4777 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Query.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4776] Re: Query.... Date: 7/21/00 11:29 am (ET) > since I have such a mismatch of books Anna, if you think your books are mismatched, just look at my friends' : PS is adult-version paperback thin and tall, CoS is kid version paperback thin and tall too, and PoA is kid version paperback fat and small (two different sizes, yes). As for GoF, when she gets it, someday, it will probably be kid version hardback very fat and tall ! Now *that* is mismatch ! And let's hope at least it will be the UK version, since it's the only thing the first 3 have in common... Do From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:31:00 -0400 Subject: UK First Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4778 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: UK First Editions Date: 7/21/00 11:31 am (ET) Hi: Steve -- not off topic at all! I think HP UK editions are a good investment, but be sure to remember that it's the 1st printings that are truly fetching the highest prices. Later printings are not nearly so valuable to the collectors. I have first printings of American editions of CoS and PoA. I also have first printings of the UK Deluxe editions of PS & CoS. I had to settle for a later printing of the UK Deluxe ed of PoA --it was the first one they put into a deluxe edition & they only printed 1,000 of them so they are going for quite high prices. I also have a 1st printing of the UK trade edition of PoA -- picked it up for under $100. Of course, the 1st printings of the UK trade editions of PS & CoS are the ones truly getting astronomical prices. If you find a first printing of PS in the UK, snatch it up (it'll go for upwards of $7000 American on ebay). CoS -- 1st UK printing -- I happen to know the minimum asking price is $2500. The dealer I bought my PoA edition from told me he had 1st printings of the UK & Aussie editions of CoS. He was willing to give me the Aussie edition for $100, but he wanted $2500 for the UK! Penny From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:56:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4779 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4769] Re: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 11:56 am (ET) I knew I had seen this - a website specifically about "How to Identify First Editions and Variants in the Harry Potter series" it's at http://www.helicon.net/paracelsus/harrypotter/ Very comprehensive, which is, in and of itself, a little scary From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 15:56:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4780 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4767] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 11:56 am (ET) > My theroy is that parts of his wand are some how sewn in or something in his umbrella and that is why he got so nervous. <You're totally right, his wand is hidden inside the umbrella. But the question was, in how many pieces, one or more ? My opinion is 2.> I don't know how many pieces there are in his umbrella, but my quess there are enough for him to cause trouble if he tried to use them. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:11:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:11:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4781 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4780] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 12:11 pm (ET) IMO - If you break/snap a wand it becomes totally useless, dangerous, and very unreliable. Hagrid has managed many spells with his wand - most of them well. The only one that went wron was his transfiguration spell on Dudley - and this was explained. If breaking a wand was just going to imapre it slightly - I am suere they'd burn/bury them or something, as snapping is adequate to ruin a wand - I don't think Hagrids was snapped AT ALL. The only person who hints at the mending of Ron's wand is Harry - and we all know that his knowledge of the magical world is not brilliant. You can not change my mind on this subject - I strongly beleive that Hagrid spent a long time making an umberealla around his totally unbroken wand. Nicholas From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:17:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:17:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4782 From: quizical_joan Subject: Race in HP Date: 7/21/00 12:17 pm (ET) Always before, I had been under the impression that for the most part, Hogwarts was a school with little diversity (set apart from muggles and wizards...). This acually upset me a little, as I am a lover of diversity. But as I'm now re-reading the first book, and picking up LOTS of new trivial stuff, it describes Lee Jordan (the twin's friend) as having dreadlocks (yes yes, I know white boys can have dreadlocks, too) and in the sorting process says, "'Thomas, Dean,' a Black boy even taller than Ron..." And what about Cho Chang? Is there the possibility of her being Asian? Just a few thoughts I've been pondering on...does anyone have any insights? From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:19:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:19:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4783 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4781] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 12:19 pm (ET) >You can not change my mind on this subject - I strongly beleive that Hagrid spent a long time making an umberealla around his totally unbroken wand. This is a good point, and the reason, he didn't succeed in turning Dudley into a pig is because he never fininshed his education at Hogwarts. From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:24:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Subject: Book 1 question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4784 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Book 1 question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4741] Book 1 question Date: 7/21/00 12:24 pm (ET) that bothered me too accually when i read the 1st book....although i havent thought of it since util you just brought it up. that is very strange, i havent the slightest idea as to how ron could have scabbers. Except that its not like he has scabbers out on display or anything....so maybe he just kept him well hidden. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:25:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:25:00 -0400 Subject: Animagi.... some thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4785 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Animagi.... some thoughts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4746] Animagi.... some thoughts Date: 7/21/00 12:25 pm (ET) >>>>I wonder if Sirius Black had to prove his skills at Parallel Barking, before he got his licence? Neil <<<<< Thanks, Neil - You usually manage to make me laugh out loud at least once a day. From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:27:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:27:00 -0400 Subject: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4786 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4750] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 12:27 pm (ET) >>>>I noticed that immediately too - how can you explain muggles knowing it though? Do you reckon medieval dafty muggles saw it being used, and tried it with sticks - forgor what it did - and just remembered it was magic of some sort? Then it got all mixed up... <<<<< Kinda like Hermione's "Wonky-Faint" maneuver? Or Hagrid's "Bong-Sewer" to Madame Maxime..... Never attempt an unknown phrase without a license! From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:36:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:00 -0400 Subject: Book 1 question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4787 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Book 1 question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4784] Re: Book 1 question Date: 7/21/00 12:36 pm (ET) A good enough explanation is that when Percy started at Hogwarts, rats were allowed, and between then & ron's starting, new rats were no longer allowed but Scabbers was "grandfathered" in because he already belonged to a student, and thus Percy could pass him to Ron. From colorme_vibrant at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:36:00 2000 From: colorme_vibrant at yahoo.com (colorme_vibrant) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4788 From: colorme_vibrant Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4782] Race in HP Date: 7/21/00 12:36 pm (ET) I'm tickled pink that this post originates in UTAH *smile*! I'd had some of the same thoughts myself, especially when it came time to dress as one of the characters -- and my daughter didn't look a THING like Hermione *giggle*. I don't really remember the details from the earlier books -- but Book IV certainly mentions "Angela" a chaser on quidditch team as a black girl. And I've had many of the same thoughts about Cho Chang and others. Even so, however -- I'd argue that Hogwarts' diversity is much broader than you've noticed thus far! I mean - Hagrid is 1/2 Giant, Moody is disabled, Ghosts teach classes, inter-ethnic marriage and dating seem common (Voldemort and Harry are 1/2 muggle, Diggory asks Chang to the Ball -- and didn't Fred Weasley ask Angela? I can't remember). Well ANYWAY -- I'm having a BLAST -- it's just (wailing) now I've got a WHOLE YEAR to wait for more!! *smile* From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 16:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: (spoiler) what's the magic word? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4789 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: (spoiler) what's the magic word? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4756] Re: Still puzzled...(spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 12:48 pm (ET) a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a aa This is the result of a bit of web surfing and a bit of dictionary surfing: - Abracadabra is one of the most ancient of all charms, used to protect the user from disease, toothache, and spiritual assault. When recited or chanted, it is spoken repeatedly, each repetition dropping the last letter until only the letter A remains. Abracadabra is said to have originated in one of two ways: - from the Hebrew declaration "he brachah dabarah" (speak the blessing); - from the Hebrew words "Ah, Ben and Ruch a Cadsch" (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). The literal translation is something like "I bless the dead". Avada Kedavra - is a little closer to "I crave death" - avere/avid being derived from the French for "to covet", and kedavra, being close to "cadaver", or dead body, as we've noted. And now, I'll pull a rabbit out of my hat. Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4790 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4783] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 1:04 pm (ET) That's the viewpoint I get too, but perhaps I haven't read enough of the books yet? Smiles.... Dee From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:12:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:12:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4791 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Reply To: [Yahoo! #4790] Re: Hagrid's wand...why he was nervous Date: 7/21/00 1:12 pm (ET) I haven't read 4 yet <gasp> I haven't had a chance to pick it up yet, so I have been rereading the first 3, I read 3 just to refresh, then decided to go back to 1. I do not recall Hagrid using his umbrella for any other reasons. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:13:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4792 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins Reply To: [Yahoo! #4782] Race in HP Date: 7/21/00 1:13 pm (ET) spoiler l l lll l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l As you've mentioned, Lee Jordan, Dean Thomas and Angelina Johnson appear to be, or are said to be, black. I would say that Cho Chang is Chinese or Burmese - something like that - 'Chan' is a common Chinese surname. Also, the Patil twins are most likely Pakistani. Patil is very close to 'Patel', a very common Hindi surname in Britain, and the first names Parvati and Padma would substantiate this. Malfoy sounds like Malfi - a bit Franco-Italian - perhaps even alluding to the Mafiosi? Any thoughts on the ethnic origins of the teachers? Sinistra, for example, also sounds sort of Italian to me. Sprout is obviously from the vegetable, but sounds a bit Germanic/Dutch (Sproot), whereas Vector and Hagrid could be Scandinavian names. McGonagall is certainly Scottish. Trelawney is certainly Cornish. And the rest? Neil From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:30:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: British accents (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4793 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: British accents (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4738] Re: British accents Date: 7/21/00 1:30 pm (ET) I'm taking a chance replying to a message before I read the rest of them (not caught up on this morning's posts yet), but as this is a personal anecdote, I doubt there are any duplicates. ;) I had an English prof my junior year of college (History of the English Language - fascinating!), who told us a story about his last trip to England in class one day. He and a friend of his went to some pub in a little village in the northwest part of England, and neither of them could understand a WORD of what anyone in the place was saying. That is, until some guy in there put on a fake Southern US accent - then they could finally understand him! The guy laughed, then started speaking normally, and they had to persuade him to talk like a US southerner for the rest of their visit and translate what everyone else was saying... So... maybe it's not as hard for a Brit to put on a Southern (US) accent as it is, for example, for a Southerner to put on a British accent. Can you imagine? Jen (who used to put on a Southern accent in French class, just to make her teacher laugh) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:34:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: US Book font ? And Critical Mass... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4794 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: US Book font ? And Critical Mass... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4751] Re: US Book font ? And Critical Mass... Date: 7/21/00 1:34 pm (ET) <<Another thing - you may have seen that I am now posting again (you probably didn't realise I had stopped...>> Well, I noticed, but I always notice when fellow Brits post (or don't post) messages - it makes me feel less isolated... <<I don't mean to offend - has anyone else found the number of postings unmaneagable?>> Yes, it can be daunting wading through all the messages, but there are peaks and troughs in the rate of posting. There are a lot of members, but quite a few don't post messages at all, or very rarely. It tends to settle down after each new intake. Personally, I wouldn't want to see the club split up. That would be like chopping a brain in two and expecting the body to function as normal. I wouldn't kill you for suggesting the idea though - it's not an 'unforgiveable' thought. :) Neil From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:35:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: British accents (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4795 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: British accents (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4793] Re: British accents (OT) Date: 7/21/00 1:35 pm (ET) Actually, historically speaking, the US Southern and Appalachian accents, out of all US dialects, are the closest to the original British accents. I remember learning this in a linguistics class I took eons ago in college. It struck me as so interesting that I've never forgotten that little tidbit. From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:36:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: If we're gonna post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4796 From: Scrimers99 Subject: If we're gonna post Reply To: [Yahoo! #4795] Re: British accents (OT) Date: 7/21/00 1:36 pm (ET) so many messages why dont we just have chats more frequently? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 17:57:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:57:00 -0400 Subject: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4797 From: jenP_97 Subject: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers?) Date: 7/21/00 1:57 pm (ET) Hey. I've been going over previous messages, and I've come up with some theories that can cover some of the questions that I remember from long long ago... so, here's a s p o i l e r s p a c e Okay. First of all, we were talking about how in book 4, Molly Weasley mentioned that Hagrid wasn't gamekeeper when she and Arthur were back in school. I seem to remember some questions as to when Hagrid would have been gamekeeper if he was expelled 50+ years ago. Well, we can be pretty sure that Molly and Arthur weren't in school 50 years ago, even if they're at least 10 years older than Harry's parents and co. So where was Hagrid? Well, remember, Dumbledore wasn't headmaster when Hagrid was expelled. In fact, we don't know exactly WHEN he became headmaster. So! As we know Hagrid did NOT become gamekeeper until Dumbledore became headmaster, there MUST have been some (long?) time period where there was the regular gamekeeper on staff, and Hagrid was just wandering around. This explains how Molly and Arthur had a different gamekeeper while they were at school. However, it does open up room for these two questions: 1) Was Dumbledore headmaster when Molly and Arthur were in school, and 2)Where was Hagrid, and what was he doing in those years he was unemployed?? I know I've gone on long enough, but I just wanted to mention something else. Neil, your comment on the parallel barking test - well, my first reaction (I'm sorry to say) was (in Hermione's voice) "But he doesn't HAVE his licence, does he?" *Then* I groaned (and laughed) at the pun. ;) Sorry I'm such a "swot". Jen From colorme_vibrant at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 18:01:00 2000 From: colorme_vibrant at yahoo.com (colorme_vibrant) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:01:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4798 From: colorme_vibrant Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4788] Re: Race in HP Date: 7/21/00 2:01 pm (ET) Oops! As Flying_Ford_Anglia has just reminded me -- the name is Angelina Johnson, not "Angela" as I typed in my post. Sorrrrry! (I'm so ashamed - no eye for details . . .*sigh*) From karob_7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 18:11:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: British accents (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4799 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: British accents (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4793] Re: British accents (OT) Date: 7/21/00 2:11 pm (ET) Well, being from the South (US), I've heard plenty of Southerners put on British accents.... it can be pretty scary. :) I don't generally attempt it myself, particularly not within the hearing of anyone else--it's a complete failure. But I think unless you've spent a considerable amount of time in a place, you aren't likely to produce an accurate accent. A recognizable imitation, possibly, but not the real thing. There are exceptions, I'm sure. I know a lot of the Southern US accents that show up in movies are pretty horrible and nothing like the real thing, though if you're not from the South, you may not notice. And of course, there are many different Southern US accents, as there are many different British accents. Which brings us back to the HP movie... My untrained ear may not recognize all the different British accents, but as Harry Potter and Hogwarts are British, I'd like to see (and hear) the movie done accurately--with British actors and actresses. Karin From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 18:23:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: British accents Parent Trap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4800 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: British accents Parent Trap Reply To: [Yahoo! #4755] Re: British accents Parent Trap Date: 7/21/00 2:23 pm (ET) It's remarkable that Hayley Mills didn't even TRY to sound American; espcially considering how convincingly California-born Ron Howard was portraying a southern kid at that time. As for Harry, what kind of accent "should" he have? I'd guess that if anyone really talks in what we Yanks think of as a "British accent", it'd be a kid from Surrey who goes to boarding school. From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 19:05:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4801 From: davehoz Subject: Re: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #4797] hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers?) Date: 7/21/00 3:05 pm (ET) When Lupin says, "Then Dumbledore became headmaster", I take this to imply that Lupin was alive when D. became headmaster. Perhaps Lupin is even a little older than Sirius because he was barred from entering Hogwarts until Albus suceeded that old codger Dippet. So I think D. becoming headmaster may be relatively recent. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 19:18:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4802 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Ancestor/Descendant Recap Reply To: [Yahoo! #4754] Ancestor/Descendant Recap Date: 7/21/00 3:18 pm (ET) has anyone tried writing to Scholastic or Bloomsbury to ask if the word ancestor was a typo or not? From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 20:09:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: if you like to read Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4803 From: sage016 Subject: if you like to read Date: 7/21/00 4:09 pm (ET) hey guys. hehe i feel bad advertising, but im tryin to get members....so, if any of you guys like reading in general, and dont just read harry potter books (not that that would be a bad thing, because i LOVE harry potter), i just started a yahoo club today, that is an addition to the bookclub i run on my webpage. So if you would like to join the address is... http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/uninvitedbookclub thanks! happy reading -kristen- From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:05:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:05:00 -0400 Subject: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4804 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #4801] Re: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Date: 7/21/00 5:05 pm (ET) And Dumbledore was wanted very badly as Minister of Magic... s p o i l e r s p a c e h e h e Do you think that might come in handy in the future with fighting Voldemort? I'm not so sure we can count on Cornelius Fudge as a strong allie anymore... From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:09:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:09:00 -0400 Subject: other good childrens fantasy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4805 From: quizical_joan Subject: other good childrens fantasy Date: 7/21/00 5:09 pm (ET) Has anyone else in here read the first two instalments of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" Trilogy? In the U.S. it's The Golden Compass and The Subtle Knife, but I think the names in England are different... Anyhow, I just absolutely adore them and would sugest them to everyone (Golden Compass is better...) Happy reading! From karob_7 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:19:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:19:00 -0400 Subject: Philip Pullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4806 From: karob_7 Subject: Philip Pullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #4805] other good childrens fantasy Date: 7/21/00 5:19 pm (ET) Yes, I just finished reading both of them this week, actually! I thought they were really good. And now we have to wait the third book in the trilogy in additon to HP5.... ....not to mention ch. 13 of PoU and ch. 3 of A Sirius Affair.... :) Karin From hokers99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:40:00 2000 From: hokers99 at yahoo.com (hokers99) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4807 From: hokers99 Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4779] Re: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 5:40 pm (ET) Thanks for you help everyone, much appreciated. I plan on picking up a few of these and trying to get them signed now. Cheers Steve :) Without meaning to labour the point, I am fairly sure the UK first edition of GOF has the words first edition but no number row. I have a signed second edition which does have the number row (though obviously it stops at 2), if anyone wants to buy it, please email me with your offer. From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:43:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:43:00 -0400 Subject: Chat tonight 9 pm? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4808 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Chat tonight 9 pm? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4807] Re: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 5:43 pm (ET) Just looked at the calender and says we have a chat 9 pm to midnight here. What time zone is the 9 pm? Thanks. Hope we can all make it. P.S. when are we starting chapter 3? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: Sit down, Miss Granger! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4809 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Sit down, Miss Granger! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4797] hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers?) Date: 7/21/00 5:49 pm (ET) <<Neil, your comment on the parallel barking test - well, my first reaction (I'm sorry to say) was (in Hermione's voice) "But he doesn't HAVE his licence, does he?" *Then* I groaned (and laughed) at the pun. ;) Sorry I'm such a "swot".>> LOL. Hmph! Thanks Herm-, I mean Jen. Looks like I'll have to research my dreadful puns a little more thoroughly in future! :o) Neil, who has just turned into a side street. (how's that for transfiguration?) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:53:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: UK first editions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4810 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: UK first editions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4807] Re: UK first editions? Date: 7/21/00 5:53 pm (ET) "Without meaning to labour the point, I am fairly sure the UK first edition of GOF has the words first edition but no number row. I have a signed second edition which does have the number row (though obviously it stops at 2" I believe that the system has changed between PoA and GoF. For the first three book they just had the row of numbers, with the last being the print run of the edition of the book. For GoF they deided that they would say which were first edition by putting 'First Edition' instead of the numbers. "), if anyone wants to buy it, please email me with your offer." Sorry - have my own. Might have to try and get it signed! Simon (the lobster) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:55:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4811 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Race in HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #4782] Race in HP Date: 7/21/00 5:55 pm (ET) > Always before, I had been under the impression that for the most part, Hogwarts was a school with little diversity (set apart from muggles and wizards...) I had the contrary reaction when I first read SS. I wondered if JKR had been careful to put in so much 'ethnic diversity' for the sake of political correctness. > it describes Lee Jordan (the twin's friend) as having dreadlocks (yes yes, I know white boys can have dreadlocks, too) Altho' at that time I visualised Lee as a white boy with dreadlocks, a phrase in GoF states that he is black. I did notice that Dean Thomas is black and somehow got the idea that he has a West Indian accent. I didn't know that Angelina Johnson is black until GoF said so. I did notice the Patil twins, a stereotypically common Indian name, and Cho Chang, a very Chinese sounding name (so where is Nga Nguyen?). My assumption is that all wizard children living on the island of Britain (and the island of Ireland, according that JKR interview with Simon Mayo, thanks to whoever posted it) are invited to Hogwarts, and some of them were born to Muggle immigrant families. If they joined the wizarding world and married a wizard or witch, they would have wizard-born children who would add to diversity of colors and surnames of the wizarding community. I had thought that Seamus Finnigan was also the child of immigrants, that his parents (or just his father) had moved from Ireland to Britain. That wouldn't prevent him rooting for Ireland!!! Twice now (it's only once every four years) several men at my job brought little TVs into work to watch World Cup (soccer) matches. NONE of them rooted for USA despite mostly being US citizens: Rosario rooted for Mexico, Cambyse rooted for Iran. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:58:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Chat tonight 9 pm? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4812 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chat tonight 9 pm? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4808] Chat tonight 9 pm? Date: 7/21/00 5:58 pm (ET) "Just looked at the calender and says we have a chat 9 pm to midnight here. What time zone is the 9 pm? Thanks. Hope we can all make it." The 9pm is in Eastern Standard time. Which is the time that the messages are logged in. So caompare this to your local time and you can work it out. This is 2am and onwards for me and with 3 hours to go until the chat starts I am off to bed soon! "P.S. when are we starting chapter 3?" Next week - I will be away and so will miss out :( Were you offering to do the small reacp to start the discussion? How about continuing with a character analysis of another of the Weasley family (Ginny, Percy, Molly, Arthur or the twins to chose from)? Simon From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 21:58:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: British accents (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4813 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: British accents (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4795] Re: British accents (OT) Date: 7/21/00 5:58 pm (ET) > Actually, historically speaking, the US Southern and Appalachian accents, out of all US dialects, are the closest to the original British accents. Yes, much closer than modern British accents. It is said that Shakespeare could make himself understood easily in Dublin, with some effort in Chicago, and not at all in London. Btw, ALBION'S SEED said that the Yankee twang of New England is a close descendent of the Norfolk whine. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: If we're gonna post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4814 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: If we're gonna post Reply To: [Yahoo! #4796] If we're gonna post Date: 7/21/00 6:06 pm (ET) The messages are a form of time-travel: the British members are eight hours ahead of the California members, so one time Neil and I were logged on at the same time when he had just gotten up and I was just reaching my bedtime. I'm trying to calculate whether he would be just getting home from work when I'm just arriving at work. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4815 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4667] Re: Prefects Date: 7/21/00 6:15 pm (ET) > Hogwart's is there for students from Britian and Ireland (confirmed in the interview I mentioned). Okay, thank you for telling us about the interview. I listened to it and how I know that Hogwarts is for Britain and Ireland. Why aren't there more blatantly Irish students? > Also Seamus is Irish. Unless JKR takes us to visit Seamus at home, we may never know whether his home is on the island of Ireland or on the island of Britain. People DO move from place to place, changing their nationality without changing their ethnicity. It was said of what was then the Los Angeles Rams that they had big crowds but no fans: the stands were filled with Angelenos who had come to cheer for their hometown team playing against the Rams. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:21:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: If we're gonna post Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4816 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: If we're gonna post Reply To: [Yahoo! #4814] Re: If we're gonna post Date: 7/21/00 6:21 pm (ET) <<I'm trying to calculate whether he would be just getting home from work when I'm just arriving at work.>> Well, typically, I get home at 8.30pm in the evening, so it would be noon-thirty in California. Late riser, Catlady? As for chatting, it works for some, but not for others. Also, I often get ideas for messages after I've been chatting, so more chats would probably make it worse! Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:23:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo problems (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4817 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Yahoo problems (OT) Date: 7/21/00 6:23 pm (ET) Is anyone else having periodic trouble posting? I've been having trouble for most of the last two days! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:25:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4818 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Prefects Date: 7/21/00 6:25 pm (ET) This one contains a minor spoiler for book four, so here is my required babbling. Da da dum. Hope this is enough. H A R R Y P O T T E R F O R E V E R <<I am almost certain Hermione will become a prefect, and the way that everything happens to Harry he probably will. Ron just doesn't want to be a prefect.>> I got the feeling Harry didn't want to be one either. When the prefects' bathroom is described in Book 4, Harry thinks something to the effect it being worth being a prefect to be allowed to use this bathroom. That led me to believe that though, he sees some of the perks, being a prefect isn't exactly high on his wish list. Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo problems (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4819 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Yahoo problems (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4817] Yahoo problems (OT) Date: 7/21/00 6:29 pm (ET) <<Is anyone else having periodic trouble posting? I've been having trouble for most of the last two days!>> I have. I can guess what the problem is, because it was driving me nuts a few days ago (I was posting test messages in the end!). You press "Post Message" and it takes you straight back to the "Post A Message" boxes? Simon reckons there's a limit on the length of messages, and one thing I've noticed is that if I put in a reeeeeeeally long string of spoiler crap, it doesn't like it. If I make it shorter, it seems to accept it. Sometimes. I've also explained the problem to Yahoo, and got back an automatic reply. Totally useless. Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:33:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4820 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Percy and Hermione Date: 7/21/00 6:33 pm (ET) > Moreover, I think that Hermione *needs* to find > someone who could remind her that there's a life > outside books, or she might get lost in them and > never become the wonderful person she has the > capability to become. And Percy Weasley just > isn't that someone. > > Fianlly, I kindly remind you that Percy : > 1. already has a girlfriend, Penelope Clearwater > 2. has left school! I agree, they're *too* much alike. Each needs someone to balance them out. However, S P O I L E R S P A C E I S T H I S E N O U G H If Percy is too old for Hermione, so is Viktor. I believe the two guys are the same age, and even if Viktor's still in school, he is a pro Quidditch player. Also, I'm not sure Penelope is in the picture anymore, her name never even comes up in GoF. I suspect they went the way of many muggle high school sweethearts, when one goes away to college or work, while the other still has a year or more to go. Having been in a long distance romance myself, I found it very weird that Percy chose to hang out with Ron and Harry at the Yule Ball, instead of with Penelope. I kept looking for Ron or Harry to urge him to go dance with her, just to get rid of him. Or perhaps a drop-in remark of why he couldn't (she's not at the ball, or she's there with her new boyfriend, etc). BTW, getting back to Hermione, everyone seems eager to set her up (the price of being the only developed female character in her age group <g>). I've heard her set up with Ron, Harry, the Weasley twins, Krum, even Malfoy, and now Percy! Maybe Rowling will surprise us all, and make her a nun! Or, more plausibly, a focused career woman who shuns romantic entanglements. JK! Melanie From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 23:15:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:15:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo problems (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4821 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Yahoo problems (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4819] Re: Yahoo problems (OT) Date: 7/21/00 7:15 pm (ET) I think it's something to do with the entire Yahoo! network. GeoCities pages (some of them, at least), seem to have been having issues, and there doesn't seem to be any common reason why. --John From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 23:17:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:17:00 -0400 Subject: Philip Pullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4822 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Philip Pullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #4806] Philip Pullman Date: 7/21/00 7:17 pm (ET) > Yes, I just finished reading both of them this week, actually! I thought they were really good. And now we have to wait the third book in the trilogy in additon to HP5.... ....not to mention ch. 13 of PoU and ch. 3 of A Sirius Affair.... :) I saw this and couldn't help saying YES YES YES!!! I have read northern lights an a Subtle Knife - and I LOVED them. Sorry to shout, but yay!! Wow - what great books. Nicholas From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 00:25:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:25:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4823 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Date: 7/21/00 8:25 pm (ET) Dear all, Nancy "Oven Top Stuffing" Stouffer (the woman who's recently filed a lawsuit against JK Rowling for the term "Muggle") has recently contacted Jenna, the webmistress of the HarryPotterFans.net website about her use of the word. As such, she's looking for someone with a legal background to advise her on what her legal position is. There has to be at least one lawyer among us, so please do get in touch with her at harrypotterfans at yahoo.com. Don't let Ms Oven Top get her way! Thanks, --John From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 01:10:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo problems (OT) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4824 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Yahoo problems (OT) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4819] Re: Yahoo problems (OT) Date: 7/21/00 9:10 pm (ET) When I tried to post yesterday, it was unable to find the server - "No DNS found" or something. So I pressed "Preview Before Posting", it went through, and then pressed the "Post Message" from there, and it worked OK. From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 01:16:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:16:00 -0400 Subject: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Authors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4825 From: echomyst Subject: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Authors Date: 7/21/00 9:16 pm (ET) I'm not sure if anyone here is from Toronto or lives near Toronto, because on Oct.24, J.K. Rowlings will be coming to read GoF at SkyDome. If anyone's remotely interested, tickets are on sale tomorrow at Ticketmasters. Smile always, Emily =P From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 01:17:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4826 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Percy and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #4820] Re: Percy and Hermione Date: 7/21/00 9:17 pm (ET) Is only we adults who immediately try to pair everyone up with a life partner? LOL! Maybe we should let the kids have their childhood and teenagerhood without though of serious lifelong commitments.... NAH! Seriously, I am just as avid a speculator about the adult futures of the characters as anyone, romances included. But I think it would be more fun if they all ended up with persons they met outside of school. However, I do feel that JKR has given Ron and Hermione the perfect Spencer Tracy-Katharine Hepburn type of relationship, that "I can't stand her; and he makes me so mad" kind of thing that always ends up in truuuuuueeee luuuuuuuvvvv. From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 01:24:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4827 From: echomyst Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoiler) Date: 7/21/00 9:24 pm (ET) Not sure if anyone else has already addressed this... * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * When Sirius visited Harry at Hogwarts in GoF, did he use Floo powder (p.290)? I thought anything similar to apparation is not possible? Or did he arrive at Harry's dorm through some secret passage? Emily From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 01:59:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:59:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4828 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4823] Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Date: 7/21/00 9:59 pm (ET) umm, forgive me for being dim, but why exactly is "Ms Oven Top" getting all stuffed up (forgive the pun...hehe) about the term "muggle"? I feel left out of the loop! Can someone please explain? Danke From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 02:05:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4829 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4823] Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Date: 7/21/00 10:05 pm (ET) >>>the woman who's recently filed a lawsuit against JK Rowling for the term "Muggle">>> What?? Does that mean this Nancy Stouffer thinks the term "Muggle" is hers? Before the HP series, I've seen "Muggle" elsewhere--in Carol Kendall's "The Gammage Cup" (which is pretty good too, btw). Does that mean this "Oven Top Stuffing" will try to sue Kendall too if she finds out?? Emily From karob_7 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 02:11:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4830 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4829] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/21/00 10:11 pm (ET) Yes, she thinks the term "muggle" is all her own... the UHPFC site (the site Ms. Stauffer is bothering now) has lots of information about the lawsuit, not to mention information on the word "muggle" used in other places.... Ms. Stauffer certainly didn't coin the term. It's really ridiculous. Karin From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 02:16:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:16:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4831 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4818] Re: Prefects Date: 7/21/00 10:16 pm (ET) Does Harry want any of the attention he gets? If he had it his way, he'd be a person more like Ron, in the background, nothing too special. From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 03:24:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4832 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4829] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/21/00 11:24 pm (ET) Oh yes. She Who Does Not Need To Be Cooked In The Oven has put in a lawsuit against JKR for use of the word "muggle". There's a full list of where in life, literature and elsewhere, the word "muggle" appears on the harrypotterfans.net website. It's a patently ludicrous accusation, made by a woman whose books are so inane and banal that they make "WWF" look like a valid sport just full of role models for young boys and girls. --John From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 03:28:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:28:00 -0400 Subject: New member! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4833 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: New member! Date: 7/21/00 11:28 pm (ET) Hi folks, I just joined the club and I look forward to discussing Harry Potter with you all. I don't know many other adult Harry Potter fans, which is why I decided to join this club in the first place. Are we allowed to discuss "Goblet of Fire" yet? Or do we have to warn everyone so we don't spoil it? There's so much to discuss! Looking forward to hearing from you all. ~Kaitlin From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 03:31:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4834 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4818] Re: Prefects Date: 7/21/00 11:31 pm (ET) Here comes a spoiler!!! H A R R Y P O T T E R F O R E V E R I was disappointed because a lot of things were left unanswered in this book. Who is the new Gryffindor prefect? Who replaced Wood on the Quiddich team? Did someone win the house cup? ~Kaitlin From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 04:05:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4835 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4834] Re: Prefects Date: 7/22/00 12:05 am (ET) First of all welcome! Second of all S P O I L E R S P A C E Well, since quidditch was canceled due to the Triwizard tournament there was no need to name the new Keeper & Captain. And given the sad tone at the end, having a feast to celebrate the house cup would be in poor taste. Just my opinion. But I did so miss quidditch and hope it's back in full force next year, even with having to deal with the Big Bad V. Trina From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 04:10:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: New member! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4836 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: New member! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4833] New member! Date: 7/22/00 12:10 am (ET) Welcome welcome! It will be tons of fun! (just be prepared for the torrents of posts!) We're a jolly lot. :) oh, just use your common sense when posting things about GoF. You'll do fine! Tsch'ss! ~Laura From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 04:39:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4837 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #4834] Re: Prefects Date: 7/22/00 12:39 am (ET) Here comes a spoiler!!! H A R R Y P O T T E R F O R E V E First of all, there was no house competition. There was no Quiddich Team. The prefects are 5th years, so they don't matter as much. Besides, they had their hands busy with the triwizard competition. From brp13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 04:53:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:53:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4838 From: brp13 Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4827] security at Hogwarts (potential spoiler) Date: 7/22/00 12:53 am (ET) Not sure if anyone else has already addressed this... * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * I wondered about that... What I would have done is just cover Sirus with the invisibility Cloak, and hide him like that. It would have been the smart thing to do, and they could have heard him out. From catzfavre at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 06:28:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:28:00 -0400 Subject: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4839 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #4797] hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers?) Date: 7/22/00 2:28 am (ET) <<Neil, your comment on the parallel barking test - well, my first reaction (I'm sorry to say) was (in Hermione's voice) "But he doesn't HAVE his licence, does he?" *Then* I groaned (and laughed) at the pun. ;) Sorry I'm such a "swot". Jen>> Jen, if it makes you feel any better, I had the exact same thought LOL! Jennifer From catzfavre at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 06:30:00 2000 From: catzfavre at yahoo.com (catzfavre) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:30:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4840 From: catzfavre Subject: Re: Percy and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #4826] Re: Percy and Hermione Date: 7/22/00 2:30 am (ET) <<Is only we adults who immediately try to pair everyone up with a life partner? LOL! Maybe we should let the kids have their childhood and teenagerhood without though of serious lifelong commitments.... NAH! Seriously, I am just as avid a speculator about the adult futures of the characters as anyone, romances included. But I think it would be more fun if they all ended up with persons they met outside of school. However, I do feel that JKR has given Ron and Hermione the perfect Spencer Tracy-Katharine Hepburn type of relationship, that "I can't stand her; and he makes me so mad" kind of thing that always ends up in truuuuuueeee luuuuuuuvvvv.>> Actually, another club that I am keeping tabs on is made up of mostly preteens and younger teens and they are pairing up the characters more than we are!!! Jennifer From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 06:57:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:57:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (Minor Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4841 From: angelx_ph Subject: A Question (Minor Spoiler) Date: 7/22/00 2:57 am (ET) Who won the House Cup in Book 4? I don't think it was mentioned. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 07:14:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:14:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4842 From: angelx_ph Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4823] Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Date: 7/22/00 3:14 am (ET) If you are as successful as J.K. Rowling, there's bound to be a backlash. Lawsuits are one of them. I think I can recall hearing that "E.T." was also sued. Personally, I think Ms. Stouffer's lawsuit is little more than a shameless money making litigation scheme (sorry, been watching too many David E. Kelley shows) looking to cash in on the success of "Harry Potter". I've read the transcipt of the interview surrounding this lawsuit on CNN's website and I think her case has little merit (I'm no lawyer though). From NOSTEPHOT at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 08:26:00 2000 From: NOSTEPHOT at yahoo.com (NOSTEPHOT) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:26:00 -0400 Subject: A Question (Minor Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4843 From: NOSTEPHOT Subject: Re: A Question (Minor Spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4841] A Question (Minor Spoiler) Date: 7/22/00 4:26 am (ET) There was no house cup given, instead there was a memorial of sorts for Cedric. But in theory I would assume that both Harry's and Cedric's houses would have won. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 11:06:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:06:00 -0400 Subject: Gryffindor Passwords Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4844 From: hert0661 Subject: Gryffindor Passwords Date: 7/22/00 7:06 am (ET) This was something I was thinking about late at night and could think of no reason for it. Why do we get told the Gryffindor Common Room password? Seemingly every time it changes JKR has worked the new password into the story? Is there some important significance in them? Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 11:22:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:22:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4845 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4827] security at Hogwarts (potential spoiler) Date: 7/22/00 7:22 am (ET) The following message contains spoilers for book 4 * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * "When Sirius visited Harry at Hogwarts in GoF, did he use Floo powder (p.290)? I thought anything similar to apparation is not possible? Or did he arrive at Harry's dorm through some secret passage?" If possible can you state UK/US edition when posting page references. How this works is not explained. Earlier in the book Amos Diggory does the same technique to talk to Arthur at the Burrow. I guess it is some similar idea to floo powder but you do not actually travel from one to another. We were not told that floo powder travel is impossible within Hogwarts and I se no reason why this should be the case. Portkeys work so I guess floo powder would also. Simon From karob_7 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 13:28:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:28:00 -0400 Subject: Gryffindor Passwords Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4846 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Gryffindor Passwords Reply To: [Yahoo! #4844] Gryffindor Passwords Date: 7/22/00 9:28 am (ET) I wondered about that, too. In GoF, it seemed to me that she took too much trouble to make sure we knew them whenever they changed. Karin From MissSelene at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 14:03:00 2000 From: MissSelene at yahoo.com (MissSelene) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4847 From: MissSelene Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4842] The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 10:03 am (ET) Erm...someone is suing Rowling over the use of a word? She wouldn't happen to be American or anything would she? Anyway, if Neil Gaiman isn't suing her, nobody should! I mean, he practically drew the blueprint of Harry Potter. If you hadn't heard, here's the story: Gaiman (creator of the sandman series) did a cartoon called the Books of Magic, in which there is a young British boy, complete with black hair, green eyes and glasses, who suddenly finds out that he has the potential to become the most powerfull wizard the world has ever seen. Sound familiar? I have to admit I haven't actually read it, but one of my friends saw it in a shop the other day and asked me if Harry Potter had become a cartoon already! Besides I've heard it tons of places. I don't want Rowling to be sued...I hope she wins the case. She probably will. Selene P.S. Gaiman was asked why he didn't sue her and he said that he liked the Potter stories too much. Besides he thought that besides the main character the plot and the other characters were to different from his version. Decent guy. From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 14:24:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4848 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4845] Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Date: 7/22/00 10:24 am (ET) The following message contains spoilers for book 4 * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * "When Sirius visited Harry at Hogwarts in GoF, did he use Floo powder (p.290)? I thought anything similar to apparation is not possible? Or did he arrive at Harry's dorm through some secret passage?" The following message contains spoilers for book 4 * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * "When Sirius visited Harry at Hogwarts in GoF, did he use Floo powder (p.290)? I thought anything similar to apparation is not possible? Or did he arrive at Harry's dorm through some secret passage?" I got the impresion that they where 'screeing through the fire. A magical tecnique used in many Neuropean folk traditions. There fore Sirius was not actually in Hogwarts but still in the farm house he broke in to. ie Harry saw siriuses Head in the hogwarts fire & Sirius saw Harrys head in the farm house fire. The interesting thing though is the transfer of toast from 'the burrows'! From dee_97527 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 14:43:00 2000 From: dee_97527 at yahoo.com (dee_97527) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: We are not alone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4849 From: dee_97527 Subject: We are not alone Date: 7/22/00 10:43 am (ET) We are not alone in our thoughts about the New York Times. Time Daily has an article about the new "best sellers" list. Here is the link. http://www.time.com/time/daily/0,2960,50554-101000721,00.html Diann From drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 15:05:00 2000 From: drdavid_h_waser at yahoo.com (drdavid_h_waser) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:05:00 -0400 Subject: We are not alone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4850 From: drdavid_h_waser Subject: Re: We are not alone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4849] We are not alone Date: 7/22/00 11:05 am (ET) I wrote the following to Mr. Corliss of the NT Times: I think that you are being very unfair to a new writer. J.K. Rowling has tried very hard to become a writer and has done a good job. Writing for Scholastic Books is no small thing. They are an excellent publisher. Sure D. Steele is an accomplished writer. Are you favoring the accomplished over the beginning writers. For shame. I hope Rowling takes this to court and wins! David From echomyst at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 15:47:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:47:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4851 From: echomyst Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4845] Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Date: 7/22/00 11:47 am (ET) The following msg contains spoilers for book 4: * * * S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * >>> If possible can you state UK/US edition when posting page references>>> Whoops, sorry about that. The conversation between Sirius and Harry took place on p.290 Cdn/UK edition. Thanks Simon, Lizabee, and brp13 for answering my post, I think I understand the communication technique that Sirius used now...it's a bit like "telephone" or even "net conferencing" in Muggle(yup, the word "muggle" again!) terms! Emily From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 15:58:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4852 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4845] Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Date: 7/22/00 11:58 am (ET) The following message contains spoilers for book 4 * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * Simon wrote: << We were not told that floo powder travel is impossible within Hogwarts and I se no reason why this should be the case. Portkeys work so I guess floo powder would also.>> Hogwarts may be secure, but it certainly isn't impenetrable. I was thinking earlier about a nonexhaustive list of all teh ways people have gotten to Hogwarts without taking the train & then a boat or the "horseless carriage" - Owls fly in all the time Sirius, as Padfoot, walked right on in Harry & Ron flew in Charlie Weasley's friends flew in on broomsticks and out with a dragon Buckbeak flew out Bugs, including possibly Rita the Skeeter : ) fly in & out There are those hidden passageways to Hogsmede Plus, Hermione can 'Magic" herself back in time one, two or three hours - maybe even more (we don't know) In other words, while there are likely wards to prevent someone from apparating right into the castle, there's a whole bunch of other ways in & out. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 16:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4853 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4842] The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 12:02 pm (ET) <<I've read the transcipt of the interview surrounding this lawsuit on CNN's website and I think her case has little merit (I'm no lawyer though). >> I am a lawyer - actually an intellectual property lawyer with a specialty in trademarks, and I've read this woman's side of the store (although not the actual pleadings, which I would LOVE to get my hands on) and I think her case has no merit. I don't want to go all offtopic with a dissertaion on why, but as a footnote, let me say that about a week ago, slate magazine had an article about the word MUGGLE being in a Lewis Carrol story. 'Nuf said. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 16:35:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 Spoof Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4854 From: Danemead Subject: Book 5 Spoof Date: 7/22/00 12:35 pm (ET) Here's a spoof on the HP4 craze. Joe Guy posted this on harrypotteranonymous. I went to the actual site and it looks frighteningly like a real Barnes & Noble page. I kept trying to add "Harry Potter and the Manual of the Black Arts (2,734 pages) to my shopping cart, LOL! Very funny "customer" reviews. http://www.nationallampoon.com/potter.html From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 16:43:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4855 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4853] Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 12:43 pm (ET) Ooh! An intellectual property lawyer! As far as I know, you can actually read the whole thing at www.harrypotterfans.net and follow the "lawsuit" links. I'm pretty sure that I've read the pleadings somewhere, so it may just be a case of searching over Oven Top Stuffing's website... If you have time, please drop Jenna at harrypotterfans at yahoo.com an email -- she runs a great site for fans and is being "contacted" by this woman about the term "muggle". Cheers, --John From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 16:46:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:46:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4856 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4853] Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 12:46 pm (ET) If you want to read the actual complaint in all its legalese glory, you can go to her website (www.realmuggles.com) and click on "news". I wish there was somewhere we could read it without visiting her website, but alas, we cannot (at least that I know of). I am not a lawyer, but I don't think she has much merit either. Trina From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 17:36:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:36:00 -0400 Subject: Differences in page numbers. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4857 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Differences in page numbers. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4851] Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Date: 7/22/00 1:36 pm (ET) <<>>> If possible can you state UK/US edition when posting page references>>> Whoops, sorry about that. The conversation between Sirius and Harry took place on p.290 Cdn/UK edition.>> I have a suggestion for an alternative to listing the page number. I'll have to admit that it is less accurate, but it would be the same for all editions. Instead of saying "page 312 in version X," (which will send those with version Y or Z scrambling for that post with the formula) how about saying something like "Chapter 15, in the scene where _____"? It's not as scientific, I know, but will get past the UK/US page number differences. In fact, if I see a more descriptive reference to the scene, I'll often simply remember it, even if I don't have the book available to look it up. But that's just me, and just a suggestion. Melanie PS: Wouldn't it be great if the chapters were divided into verses, like the Bible, or into numbered scenes? Then, for example, 3:12:6 (meaning book 3, chapter 12, verse or scene 6) would be the same in all versions. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:23:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4858 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4823] Legal issues surrounding use of "Muggle" Date: 7/22/00 2:23 pm (ET) >Nancy "Oven Top Stuffing" Stouffer (the woman >who's recently filed a lawsuit against JK Rowling >for the term "Muggle") has recently contacted Jenna, >the webmistress of the HarryPotterFans.net website >about her use of the word. As such, she's looking >for someone with a legal background to advise her on >what her legal position is. Penny, I am shocked that you haven't responded to this one already. Not only do we have a lawyer in our midst, but our fearless leader is a lawyer. I know we've been over this ground before... about 4000 messages ago... Ultimately Ms. Stouffer has no case unless she can prove that Rowling used her frankly obscure books as the source of Harry Potter. The defense is fairly simple: Rowling has to show plausible sources for the elements. Ms. Stouffer is looking for a settlement. She can't win this one. The resemblances, and being honest there are some, just aren't close enough. From sage016 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:28:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 Spoof Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4859 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Book 5 Spoof Reply To: [Yahoo! #4854] Book 5 Spoof Date: 7/22/00 2:28 pm (ET) hahaha.......that gave me a good laugh! thanks for sharing :) From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:32:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4860 From: davehoz Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4856] Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 2:32 pm (ET) You can at least read her particular examples of "plagerism" (and my rebuttals) on my web site, here: http://www.mindspring.com/~daveh47/JKRvsNKS.html It's probably best to look at Stouffer's site too... (Moody: "You *have* to know what you're up against, laddie!") I hope that lawyer who posted here contacted Jenna... It's bad enough that Stouffer broad is suing a successful writer without bullying humble web page owners too! From sage016 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:37:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: FINALLY! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4861 From: sage016 Subject: FINALLY! Date: 7/22/00 2:37 pm (ET) i finished GoF last night. it was amazing, i didnt want it to end, i kept putting it off so it wouldnt end......and there fore here is my warning: S P O I L E R S P A C E i WAS soooooooo shocked with the whole moody thing! I really did not see that coming at all! And i cried when they had the "ceremony" for the kid that died. cried like a baby, i did. Whew....now i must wait another year...... -kristen- From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:42:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:42:00 -0400 Subject: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4862 From: davehoz Subject: Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Reply To: [Yahoo! #4845] Re: security at Hogwarts (potential spoi Date: 7/22/00 2:42 pm (ET) The following message contains spoilers for book 4 * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * >Portkeys work so I guess floo powder would also. I don't believe Portkeys work in Hogwarts as a general rule; the Triwizard Cup was a special dispensation. (I believe that's why Harry had to get through the tournament to be transported to Voldemort... Otherwise Crouch Jr. could have made a Portkey out of any old thing Harry might touch.) From curtisedmonds at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 18:48:00 2000 From: curtisedmonds at yahoo.com (curtisedmonds) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: FYI -- good Goblet of Fire review Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4863 From: curtisedmonds Subject: FYI -- good Goblet of Fire review Date: 7/22/00 2:48 pm (ET) No spoilers, even: http://lonestar.epinions.com/book-review-150C-BDB7C71-3967D3F5-prod3 From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 19:29:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:29:00 -0400 Subject: Chats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4864 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Chats Date: 7/22/00 3:29 pm (ET) When R they UK time? Thanks, lizabee From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 20:03:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:03:00 -0400 Subject: Question about the Stouffer Wench Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4865 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Question about the Stouffer Wench Date: 7/22/00 4:03 pm (ET) I have had the impression-- and this is, ahem, JUST my gut feeling-- that Stouffer has been putting pressure on Jenna, webmistress for the Unofficial HP Fan Club website. I sincerely hope that Jenna seeks some sort of legal council if this is the case-- there is NO REASON at all why she should feel that this woman is her problem, or feel that she has to kow-tow to her paranoia. IT IS NOT HER PROBLEM. Any word guys? It is glaringly obvious to me that this lawsuit is simply an opportunistic scam to squeeze some bucks out of Rowling and her publishers. I have combed over Stouffer's claims, and find no merit in them. Some of her other claims on her website sound potentially libelous. I don't think her lawsuit will go anywhere, but it is clear that she is nevertheless very skilled at being a pain-in-the-ass. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 20:06:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:06:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4866 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4858] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 4:06 pm (ET) Aha... so I see this is confirmed.... This is really disgusting! What is this woman's problem? I suppose she objects to the Muggle Sightings? Look guys, ALL OG US have the right to have an opinion about this issue, whether Stouffer likes it or not! This is absurd! This is harassment! I declare war!! I don't have much money, but I will HAPPILY donate a few hundred for any of Jenna's legal expenses!!! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 20:14:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: Chats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4867 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chats Reply To: [Yahoo! #4864] Chats Date: 7/22/00 4:14 pm (ET) "When R they UK time?" The one on Sunday evenings starts at around 8pm UK time and the goes on and on and on.... The one of Fridays (or more correctly Saturday) starts at 2am. Simon From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 20:33:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4868 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4860] Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 4:33 pm (ET) I am not a lawyer, and I dont even play one on TV, and I am convinced that the Stuffing Womans lawsuit is without merit. However, I almost hope it does wind up in court. Can you imagine the pro-Harry Potter demonstrations outside the courtroom? People would come from miles around to support JKR (I know I would), dressed as witches and wizards and owls. I really hate the Stuffing Woman. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 21:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4869 From: plinsenmayer Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/22/00 5:58 pm (ET) Hi: Finally finding time to reply to some old posts . . . . <<<I can't imagine the Sorting Hat telling someone like Ron whose last name starts with a 'W' that he has to go into Hufflepuff because the Gryffindor dorm is already full. ;)>>> That's why I don't buy into the argument that there are exact numbers of students in each house in each year. If the Sorting Hat is going by abilities, weaknesses & personality traits, it just won't be even every year. I'm still not convinced that there are more than 3 girls in Gryffindor in Harry's year (Hermione, Lavender & Pavarti as best I can tell). I think we'd have heard by now if there were other girls in Gryffindor. So, there are 8 Gryffindors that year. Who's to say that Fred, George & Lee aren't the only Gryffindor males in their year? The other problem with trying to calculate the student population in this way is that JKR simply can't develop (or even mention in passing) enough of the students in enough of the years to give anyone much of an educated guess. IMHO. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 22:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:32:00 -0400 Subject: Book 1 Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4870 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Book 1 Question Date: 7/22/00 6:32 pm (ET) Hi: <<<"If owls, cats, and toads are the only approved animals at Hogwarts, how can Ron have Scabbers there?">>> <<<The list says that 'students may also bring an owl OR a cat OR a toad.'>>> Simon said: <<<This is a non-exhaustive list. It does not say that they may not bring any other animal. It says that they can only bring one of those mentioned.>>> I think you're on the right track, but the logic in your answer seems a bit flawed. It's a non-exhaustive list; therefore, they *may* bring one of the 3 enumerated animals but they are not prohibited from bringing an animal not mentioned. That is, *if* the list were intended to be exhaustive, it would say, "Students may *ONLY* bring an owl OR a cat OR a toad." (emphasis mine). <<<This is a classic example of reading the instructions carefully to see what you may do to get round the rules.>>> I'm shocked that you are skilled at getting around the rules Simon. <g> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 22:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:41:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4871 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 6:41 pm (ET) Hi: <<<You can not change my mind on this subject - I strongly beleive that Hagrid spent a long time making an umberealla around his totally unbroken wand.>>> Okay, so *I* can't change your mind. What about Hagrid (or JKR)? SS -- page 59 -- Hagrid says they snapped his wand in half. SS -- page 83 -- Hagrid confirms to Ollivander that they snapped his wand in half. I'm curious why you don't believe Hagrid himself. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:05:00 -0400 Subject: We are not alone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4872 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: We are not alone Reply To: [Yahoo! #4849] We are not alone Date: 7/22/00 7:05 pm (ET) Hi: <<<We are not alone in our thoughts about the New York Times. Time Daily has an article about the new "best sellers" list>>> Resounding WHOOP!!!! I wrote a letter to the Time editor based on this article (agreeing with it as you might imagine). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:07:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4873 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4853] Re: The Lawsuit (My Two Cents) Date: 7/22/00 7:07 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I am a lawyer - actually an intellectual property lawyer with a specialty in trademarks, and I've read this woman's side of the store (although not the actual pleadings, which I would LOVE to get my hands on) and I think her case has no merit.>>> Heidi -- I'm a lawyer too -- not IP though. I also think the case is completely groundless (and I'm *not* an IP lawyer). You can access the complaint at realmuggles.com. Not surprisingly, Stouffer has not posted anything other than the complaint. It seems the Fed Ct for the ED of PA requires a fee to access their electronic case filings. I wasn't interested enough to pay the fee, but perhaps you might be . . . . (I got there through findlaw.com). Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:17:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4874 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4858] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 7:17 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Penny, I am shocked that you haven't responded to this one already. Not only do we have a lawyer in our midst, but our fearless leader is a lawyer.>>> Actually, I have. I emailed Jenna privately, but haven't heard back from her yet. I'd be happy to give her some legal advice, but I'm guessing she'd rather hear from heiditandy who's confessed to being an IP lawyer. My securities practice won't get me very far in giving Jenna advice ... Penny From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:53:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4875 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4871] Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 7:53 pm (ET) Ok, I can't find the references you point to, I only have the UK books, but in no place does ANYONE confirm the snapping od Hagrids wand. If we weren't following Harry arund, and JKR added her bit "Hagrid cast his mind back to the day his wand was actually snapped, - Nicholas Stoker, stop going on about it, - he looked down at his Umberella and thought what would have happened if He hadn't been expelled". The only person who says he has had it snapped is Hagrid - and him being expelled is the only thing he gets uncomfortable about talking about. Even after his name was cleared - they still didn't like to ask him, AND - we never get told about him having a new wand for his teaching job. His Umberella manages to A) Turn Dudleys arse into a pigs backside - complete with tail. B) Speed up the trip across sea with the rowing boat C) Open the doors to Diagonalley (My guess is a normall stick couldn't do this) D) Increase the size of Pumpkins to taller than Harry - with a 'Standard Engourgement charm' We see what happens to Ron's wand on even the simplest of spells, and I don't think it is possible for Hagrids wand to NOT spark, smoke, backfire, explode etc... without being in full working order. Hagrid only says his wand is broken because A) Olivander doesn't know the details of Hagrids expulsion, and obviously treats it like giving a man convicted of cruelty to animals a dog lead and a small cage. B) Why does Harry need to know the truth? Things could just get complicated. Also - the headmaster who expleed him was obviously geting rid of him as a scapegoat only, and must have had an incling of what happened - either way - I don't beleive he was up to being headmaster, and would probably have forgotten to snap his wand - he was too busy trying toforget the entire incident. My mind WILL not be changed by you, or by the book. Hagrid's word is not enough - WE ARE ALL sure that his umberella has powers - and he hasn't even admitted to that - the way he tells it - it has been disposed of. I will not be moved Nicholas From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 22 23:59:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4876 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4875] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 7:59 pm (ET) Gosh - how convinced you are - I always thought it was snapped myself - but boy - you have convictions... One question <<My mind WILL not be changed by you, or by the book>> Why not the book - isn't this the reason for our being here??? If we disregard the book, then what are we discussing? A very confused Anna From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:12:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:12:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4877 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4874] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 8:12 pm (ET) I did a search at www.uspto.gov, and found that the stouffer wench has registered a trademark for Muggles-- in February 2000 and for specific products such as refrigerator magnets, buttons, and dolls. I'd like a legal opinion: Since neither Rowling nor Jenna are marketing such items, why does this case even exist?? I can imagin that if the wench has a trademark she can require people to use the "tm" when they are referring to her products-- but WHO is referring to or showing any interest in her products? From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:15:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:15:00 -0400 Subject: Percy and Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4878 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Percy and Hermione Reply To: [Yahoo! #4840] Re: Percy and Hermione Date: 7/22/00 8:15 pm (ET) >>Actually, another club that I am keeping tabs on is made up of mostly preteens and younger teens and they are pairing up the characters more than we are!!! Jennifer Hi! New member here... I'm a fifth grade Language Arts teacher who uses HP in the classroom. I also teach Drama and Creative Writing to grades 5-8 at our school. Let me ASSURE you, the kids not only are pairing up characters, they think that wizards *must* be late bloomers. To them, the events surrounding the Yule Ball were waaay overdue. ;) Long live Harry Potter... the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From quizical_joan at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:22:00 2000 From: quizical_joan at yahoo.com (quizical_joan) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4879 From: quizical_joan Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4876] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 8:22 pm (ET) Oh, I think we have enought proof from SS that the wand IS in fact snapped in half, but still in use in the umbrella. Mr. Ollivander asks Hagrid if his wand was snapped in half when he was expelled, and Hagrid says, "Yes, but I've still got the pieces" Mr. Ollivander asks, "But you don't USE them?" and Hagrid answers "no" very quickly, but Harry notices that Hagrid is gripping his pink umbrella very tightly. Of course his wand is inside the umbrella! Who would be dense enough not to get that? It's around whenever Hagrid does magic, and he's even pointed it like a wand before. I personally think it's very clear.... ~laura From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:33:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:33:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4880 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4877] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 8:33 pm (ET) <<I did a search at www.uspto.gov, and found that the stouffer wench has registered a trademark for Muggles-- in February 2000 and for specific products such as refrigerator magnets, buttons, and dolls.>> No, she doesn't have a registration; she has a pending application, and there is no way that it can register this year; I'd be surprised if it ever registered. A trademark takes a minimum of 8 months to go from application to registration, and it usually takes more like 18 months. << I can imagin that if the wench has a trademark she can require people to use the "tm" when they are referring to her products-->> I think what you're refering to is that *she* and her licensees can use TM when refering to her licensed characters, if any. One note in the other direction - I know that some scottish dictionaries have defined the word "muggle" as refering to rainy or soggy weather, but you can hold a trademark (i.e. exclusive rights to use a certain word for certain goods or services) even if it's a dictionary word - look at APPLE or WINDOWS for computers. Of course, this doesn't prevent apple pie makers from using the word apple, or prevent window installers from using the word window. I know I'm simplifying here - so sue me : ) From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:35:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4881 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4879] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 8:35 pm (ET) I really am not stepping down. How would it work so well? He lied about not using it, he probably said he had the peices - just in case Olivander can tell if a wand is still 'there'. I will agree to disagree with you, unless someone wants to meet me rond the back of this club in five minites for an arm wrestle.... grrrr. <BG>. It is not snapped = tralalalala he still uses it - lalalala it works fine - tralalala I'm noy giving up - la lal la la la la la lalalala Seriously. He lies about using it, why not about it being snapped. I really think I will finish this argument with my sneakoscope and some of that truth telling draft. (Haven't got book handy to retreive name). Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:37:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:37:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4882 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4880] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 8:37 pm (ET) > I know I'm simplifying here - so sue me : ) I'll see you in court. You name the date <g> Shame it isn't sexual harassment - Ally McBeal could finish this off in minutes... Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 00:42:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:42:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4883 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4876] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 8:42 pm (ET) > Why not the book - isn't this the reason for our being here??? If we disregard the book, then what are we discussing? Disregarding the book, I haven't done that "It's in a book - It must be true". Come on, people lie - Dumbledore said he saw himself infront of that mirror with a new pair of socks. If she had come out with it and said "Hagrid ppicked up two snapped peices of a wand while rumaging through a timed vault, in his cabin - and thrown then out completely infrint of everyone - then a small explosive charge, similar in powere to a kilo of TNT was detonated infront of the wand, and video footage was used to prove it was truly gone forever" I would believe it. We all lie So has Hagrid. His wand is even the right length for an umberella. Nicholas From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:02:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:02:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4884 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4883] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 9:02 pm (ET) Two more thoughts. #1 If a wand can be broken, no doubt it can be repaired, and perhaps Hagrid had it repaired and put into the umbrella. He probably found a shady wand repair shop that fixed it for him and disquised it as his umbrella. Why not ? #2 While broken in half, the magical portion of the wand, near the end was still intact, just shorter. The "handle" part was separated from the magic part of the wand when broken. Cellotaped the two pieces together, didn't have the nice "whip" or "feel" but still worked just fine for Hagrid and his needs. He then put it in his umbrella to hide it since he was'nt to have one. Dumbledore must know he has it since he mentioned he could use magic to get Harry in book #1, but once he reached Harry then he was to stop using magic. #3 He keeps the remains of his wand in a special place in his cabin, and bought a magic umbrella wand to replace it while in the shady area of Diagon alley. While not as good as "his" wand, it takes care of his magical requirements. Being a lesser quality, and not "His" wand he couldn't completely turn him into a pig. #4 Does it matter??? ha!! We "know" what his umbrella is. Dennis From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:17:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:17:00 -0400 Subject: I have to admit, that in some ways, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4885 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: I have to admit, that in some ways, Reply To: [Yahoo! #4252] I have to admit, that in some ways, Date: 7/22/00 9:17 pm (ET) As ayoung adult muself, I beleive I can answer this > Has it all become a contest of who can read the fastest and then prove it by telling other people what they've read? If they finish the book before you do, they may give away things that you had every intention of finding out yourself. No - this is not the case. I remeber discovering good books with my friends. We weren't really old enough to discuss their literary qualities, and we treated good books - or any books - with a great ammount of respect. We never spoilt endings, and we recommended good ones to each other. Reading Rohld Dahl, the Worst Witch, or Pongwiffy was NEVER a race. We told people when we had finished, and then we might talk about it. We'd not even say "I liked the ending" in case it spoiled it. <G>. What i hate about this is that when you feed a kid your opinion - they will repeat it. I remeber not liking Margaret Thatcher - on no ground but my arents moaned about it a lot. Until a few yeas ago, I would jut regurgitate what adults had told me. I get really peeved when I see kids being forced vegetarian food when their parents are, or going to poloticall rallies - and holding banners on something they know nothing about. Get a child to tell a reporter his/her view - he will repeat something he has heard, and add his own child like explanation. I don't like harry potter because he is too popular. Yeuch. Just one of my usuall rants - allthough you can'tdeny I have a point? Nicholas From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:29:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: Legal issues surrounding use of Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4886 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Reply To: [Yahoo! #4877] Re: Legal issues surrounding use of Date: 7/22/00 9:29 pm (ET) >>>>I did a search at www.uspto.gov, and found that the stouffer wench has registered a trademark for Muggles-- in February 2000 and for specific products such as refrigerator magnets, buttons, and dolls.<<<< Who wants to buy MUGGLE stuff anyway? My house is full of muggle stuff, 'cause I'm a muggle (Yes! I'm not ashamed!) You can buy 'muggle' dolls at the supermarket, for criminy sake! Stouffer's muggles are butt-ugly non-humans, but Rowlings muggles are us (butt-ugly humans). {{sigh}} From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:31:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4887 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4884] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 9:31 pm (ET) 1) Core suggests to me that it runs right through the wand. Like an apple core. 2) Harrys broom was broken - and no attempt to repair a very expensive broom was made. This also suggests to me breaking these things is final. 3) Wand making is a fine art - I'd like to see s stick being repaired - never mind a delicate hollowed out one, with magical properties. 4) Harry glasses are broken, they are repaired in seconds. If a simple snap could be repaired at all - I think they'd do something more final. 5) Wands rebound on wands. 6) > 4 Does it matter??? - You replied - and this IS a discussion group. If it doesnt to you - stop (DTTTWW). I have repeated again and again that I WONT GIVE UP. (I will fight you on the beaches...). 7) Sorry about my spelling - in last few posts. It's late over here. 8) Cellotaped? Cellotaped? This is a magical world - I doubt they buy muggle Cellotape. This isn't a snapped battery compartment. 9) This bothers me so much becasue it has not been proven yet, and you won't change my opinion on it. I could be TOTALLY wrong, but when I am proven wrong by book 5, 6, or 7 - I will admit that I was wrong, and remind you that it is only my opinion, and I am not trying to tell you you are wrong, wait - I am. 10) Sorry for telling you you were wrong. 11) I mean it, really. 12) Oh my God, the bullet points - I'm going to bed. bye Nicholas From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:36:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4888 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4881] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 9:36 pm (ET) >>>>I really am not stepping down.<<<< >From now on, we must refer to Nicholas as... He-Who-Will-Not-Be-Moved. AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!! Cities are laid waste! Lives are shattered!! Oh, the horror.... the horror.... Master....PLEASE.....Master.... please..... From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4889 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4884] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 9:43 pm (ET) This reminds me.... Hagrid tells Harry he "flew" to the Hut on the Rocks in order to deliver Harry's letter (In Book 1). I've wondered what he meant by that. He didn't have a broomstick with him, and he didn't use floo powder because he would have appeared INSIDE the cabin first (and probably destroyed the fireplace. He didn't say he Apparated (probably couldn't get a license to, since he's not a fully-fledged wizard). I suppose it's possible that Dumbledore has been tutoring Hagrid all this time, and Hagrid knows a lot more magic than he lets on. After all, we know there are unlicensed Animagi running around all over the place, so why not unlicensed Apparators too. {{{Aaaah, I've been splinched!}}} From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 01:46:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:46:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4890 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4888] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 9:46 pm (ET) I jst got int my pyjamas and heard the "you have new mail tinkiling bell sound" of the computer, to see a new Harry Potter for grown Ups mail, carefully placed in it's folder. I laughed. Thank you! *Smiling like mad* - Good night everyone :-) Nicholas We shall not, we shall no be moved... From CarverWB at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 02:14:00 2000 From: CarverWB at yahoo.com (CarverWB) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Jenfest Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4891 From: CarverWB Subject: Jenfest Reply To: [Yahoo! #4839] Re: hagrid as gamekeeper, etc. (spoilers Date: 7/22/00 10:14 pm (ET) Jen1<<Neil, your comment on the parallel barking test - well, my first reaction (I'm sorry to say) was (in Hermione's voice) "But he doesn't HAVE his licence, does he?" *Then* I groaned (and laughed) at the pun. ;) Sorry I'm such a "swot". Jen>> Jen2< Jen, if it makes you feel any better, I had the exact same thought LOL! Jennifer > Just out of curiosity: How many of us Jens are on this list? Jen (3) From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 02:50:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4892 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4887] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/22/00 10:50 pm (ET) >>Cellotaped? This is a magical world--I doubt they buy muggle cellotape<< Perhaps he used Spellotape. After all, Ron's wand had to work correctly *sometimes* and given 50 years of practice, certainly Hagrid could learn which spells could be used. I admire your mental fortitude, Nicholas. You stand by your convictions. <grins> Trina From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 03:02:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Movie picks and other stuff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4893 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Movie picks and other stuff Date: 7/22/00 11:02 pm (ET) As a new member, I have been trying to go back and read some of the old messages to catch up on what's going on...a very difficult task I might say, since there are nearly five thousand messages. I read a couple of early entries about who would play whom in the movie version. And yes, I agree, it will either be wonderful or horrible, but nothing in between. Here's what I think: ~Dame Maggie Smith or Dame Judi Dench for McGonagall. Both are very British and very serious. ~If Danny Devito and Rhea Perlman were taller, they would make a wonderful Mr. and Mrs. Dursley. They were great as the nasty Mr. and Mrs. Wormwood in "Mathilda." ~Christopher Walken as Snape. He, like Snape, is hook-nosed and greasy. I'm working on others. ~Kaitlin PS--Has anyone read any of the Harry Potter translations? I read the Spanish version of Sorcerer's Stone, and it was poorly done. All of the great wordplay (Diagon Alley, O.W.L.s, etc.) is lost. Also, the name "Dedalus Diggle" was spelled three different ways. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 03:50:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4894 From: davehoz Subject: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Date: 7/22/00 11:50 pm (ET) Could whoever posted the lyrics of that candidate "Harry theme song" by that Wicca artist repost it or tell me what message number it was? I want to see if I can find the album... Wishing this board had a "search" feature... From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 04:31:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4895 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4884] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 12:31 am (ET) >>>>While broken in half, the magical portion of the wand, near the end was still intact, just shorter. The "handle" part was separated from the magic part of the wand when broken. Cellotaped the two pieces together I promised myself I would not get involved in the Hagrid's Wand discussion, but I can not resist pointing out that if the above did happen, rather than "Cellotape the two pieces together" Hagrid probably would have SPELLOTAPED the two pieces together. From s_ings at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 05:16:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:16:00 -0400 Subject: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Author Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4896 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Author Reply To: [Yahoo! #4825] 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Authors Date: 7/23/00 1:16 am (ET) Emily, Thanks for the tip on JKR reading at the SkyDome. I'm about 4 1/2 hours from Toronto by train. My 17 year old is just starting book 1, maybe she'll get into them as much as I am - that way I could persuade her to postpone our annual August weekend in Toronto until October. If not, well, I guess that means I get to Toronto 3 times this year (I was there in June). Guess I'm calling Ticketmaster as soon as they open! Thanks again, Sheryll From brooksindy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 05:30:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:30:00 -0400 Subject: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wizard_ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4897 From: brooksindy Subject: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wizard_ Date: 7/23/00 1:30 am (ET) Good evening all, this is my first post. Not read book IV yet - waiting for chance to devote quality time to it. However, a friend just got back from London with a _Philosopher's Stone_ copy for me, so I can compare (she also got me some Jelly Babies, for those who know *that* reference). :-) I want to put in a plug, for those who have found it on the list of alternates for when you finish Harry and desperately want something else, for the Diane Duane _So You Want to be a Wizard_ books. I discovered them several years ago when only the first two were out - in fact i was often chatting with Diane on Compuserve where she was a Sysop on the F&SF SIG back then - where SIG was Special Interest Group. I very much liked them, especially the whole concept of what the real purpose of wizards is in the writer's universe - to slow down the *death* of the (real) universe. And for those of you who are Pern/Anne McCaffrey fans, you should look for the book that comes after the main _So You Want to be a Wizard_ trilogy, called _A Wizard Abroad_. Nita, heroine of the trilogy, is packed off to Ireland to visit her aunt - and those of us in the know, will realize from the description of the aunt and her home, that the aunt *is* McCaffrey. I am enjoying the posts in this club. Even the ones from the 'not so grown-up' members read as well thought-out and worthwhile. Another plug: I am a member of the science fiction club in Indianapolis, called the Circle of Janus. http://www.inconjunction.org/coj/ It was our club president (the same friend who just went to London) who convinced me to go ahead and read the Potter books. I even went to our Borders bookstore midnight release party (our Borders store also had two "Hogwarts summer classes", including a 'care of magical creatures'" where somebody from the Indianapolis zoo brought out a couple of owls, lizards, snakes and the like, and a herbology class where they passed around a variety of plants, and discussed some herb lore. One of the neatest things to me in the writing in Rowlings's books is how she pulls the rug from under you at the climax, when you find out that what is going on is, in many respects, the opposite of what you have kind of been expecting. If you go back and re-read, you can see her reaching her hands out to grab that rug, but you were so caught up in what was going on that you never noticed it. It takes skill to do that kind of 'misleading' writing well... when she finishes Potter and goes to 'adult' books, I look forward to the kind of mysteries she might do - maybe something along the lines of "Mrs. Pollifax" books. :-) To conclude, I will probably be a list lurker most of the time, but carry on the good posting. -Brooks From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:13:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:13:00 -0400 Subject: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Author Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4898 From: echomyst Subject: Re: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Author Reply To: [Yahoo! #4896] Re: 21st Annual Int'l Festival of Author Date: 7/23/00 7:13 am (ET) Sheryll, No problem! =) The tickets are going to empty out pockets, but they're worth it, especially the more expensive ones, which include a signed copy of GoF! Toronto's nice--not sure how else to describe--maybe except for mayor Mel Lastman's moose... I sure hope your 17 year old will love JKR's books as much as I do! =P Emily From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:18:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand-Umbrella Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4899 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand-Umbrella Reply To: [Yahoo! #4889] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 7:18 am (ET) <<This reminds me.... Hagrid tells Harry he "flew" to the Hut on the Rocks in order to deliver Harry's letter (In Book 1). I've wondered what he meant by that.>> Are you implying that he flew there, like Mary Poppins, hanging off his industrial-strength umbrella? Neil Note, I'm not commenting on the wholeness of otherwise of the contents of said umbrella. I know better than to argue with Nicholas! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:26:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:26:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4900 From: hert0661 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 7:26 am (ET) "I think you're on the right track, but the logic in your answer seems a bit flawed." I have never studied logic, so my answer was based on what I could guess from what I know about mathematics. "I'm shocked that you are skilled at getting around the rules Simon. <g>" I am a student and the rule book I have to contend with is about 100 pages long. You soon learn to find out how to break the rules that seem pointless. One such rule is that 5 or more people in a college room constitutes a party and a party has to have written permission from one of the senior officials of the college. I leave you all to think about that! There is a report in todays paper that the K in JKR is made up and that she does not actually have a middle initial. It is an advertising ploy. Such as John F Kennadey (sorry if misspelt), etc. They have found Hedwig. This part in the movie has been cast to a British snowy owl named Ook (well at least some of the cast will be British!). The only technical problem is that Ook is female and Hedwig is male (does anyone know if this is stated somewhere?), but this has happened in movies before! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:30:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:30:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4901 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4869] # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 7:30 am (ET) "I can't imagine the Sorting Hat telling someone like Ron whose last name starts with a 'W' that he has to go into Hufflepuff because the Gryffindor dorm is already full. ;)" How do we actually know that the sorting hat does its sorting during the sorting. It may get the names in advance and decide where to put the students before they get there. The sorting then being a ritual, for the amusement of all. I dont actually believe my own theory but decided to say it anyway. "So, there are 8 Gryffindors that year." All the evidence of this sort points to the years being even smaller than has been suggested. "Who's to say that Fred, George & Lee aren't the only Gryffindor males in their year?" I would have thought that there must be some other boys in there year. Otherwise we are left with 3 pratical jokers and no one to do any work! Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:38:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:38:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4902 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4875] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 7:38 am (ET) "The only person who says he has had it snapped is Hagrid - and him being expelled is the only thing he gets uncomfortable about talking about. Even after his name was cleared - they still didn't like to ask him, AND - we never get told about him having a new wand for his teaching job." Yes but the question is who would have done the snapping of the wand? I would guess it would have been Professor Dippet, who was headmaster when Hagrid was expelled, and I cannot see him failing to do it. "His Umberella manages to A) Turn Dudleys arse into a pigs backside - complete with tail. B) Speed up the trip across sea with the rowing boat C) Open the doors to Diagonalley (My guess is a normall stick couldn't do this) D) Increase the size of Pumpkins to taller than Harry - with a 'Standard Engourgement charm'" He has had 50 years of use with his snapped wand. Ron does not even get a year. Even by the end of that he is getting more used to using it. If he could not do some simple spells with it by the time they go looking for the chamber then he would have taken Lockhart's wand rather than his own. I guess that Hagrid only has to do a limited number of spells with his wand and has had many years to perect them. This maybe why turning Dudley into a pig did not work. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:44:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:44:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4903 From: hert0661 Subject: Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 7:44 am (ET) Another of those very late at night thought coming up! How would the ministry know who was responsible for breaking this rule if one of the Weasley's were to magic at The Burrow? At that house there are (by the time of GoF) 3 people who can do magic and 4 who cannot (I am ignoring Bill and Charlie as they were only visiting). Similarly in any other family of wizards and witches how would the ministry know whether someone had broken the law on underage magic or if it was the parents (who are allowed to do magic) that did the spell. How many parents would say that it was the kids breaking the law and not just say it was them doing the magic? Simon (I hope that people understand what I am asking about) From echomyst at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 11:52:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:52:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4904 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Underage magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4903] Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 7:52 am (ET) >>>Another of those very late night thought coming up!...how would the ministry know whether someone had broken the law on underage magic...>>> Ok, for me, it's "another of those early-in-the-morning" thougts coming up! Hmm...I'd guess that the Ministry would use magic to notify them of any underage wizards using magic out of school... Emily (ya I understand what you're talking about) From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 12:10:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:10:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4905 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4902] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 8:10 am (ET) > who would have done the snapping of the wand? I would guess it would have been Professor Dippet, who was headmaster when Hagrid was expelled Is it just me, or is professor dippet meant to be quite incompetent? He probably forgot about the wand just as soon as he had expelled Hagrid and managed to finish with the whole the chamber of secrets affair. Even the competent teachers almost let the school get closed. Oh the bad english. Even his name suggests he is naff. Dippet? What does it mean - it is rather close to dippy - if you ask me. Also - the taking of Lockharts wand wouldn't have fitted in with the story - they were in a race against time to sae Ginny's life, never mind scour the field for a wand that Ron had had no practise on. Look at what happens when ANY powerfull spells have been used on Ron's wand: He set things on fire, it whines, whistles - sparks, makes people burp out slugs, explodes... I think ANY magic disturbs damaged wands, and Hagrid uses loads of it pn school jobs, doesn't he? And - even if we don't hear his Umberella whistling and sparking now, think about what it would be like if it was newly snapped. You'd have thought a 50 years ago slytherin would have spotted sparks and flames issuing from an umberella and lighting up magical creatures and not told the head teacher? Hah. I don't think it was ever broken, to be quite honest with you. I am not going to give up. The day is young. Nicholas PS. Come on Neil, give me a hand! From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 12:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:32:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4906 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4894] Harry's theme song (Repost request) Date: 7/23/00 8:32 am (ET) It was me. Feel free to email me, but I will have to hunt down the post too! Dee From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 12:44:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:44:00 -0400 Subject: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4907 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4906] Re: Harry's theme song (Repost request) Date: 7/23/00 8:44 am (ET) Could this have been it? 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HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4908 From: GypsyCaine Subject: First lead cast and confirmed! Date: 7/23/00 9:07 am (ET) Saturday July 22 5:06 PM ET Ook the Owl Lands Plumb Harry Potter Film Part LONDON (Reuters) - Ook the white owl has landed a plum part in what may be one of the most eagerly anticipated children's films of all time. The British bird is to play Hedwig, the snowy white owl that delivers the mail for the schoolboy wizard Harry Potter, in the Hollywood film that director Christopher Columbus is to start shooting in Britain in September. ``He is perfect for the part,'' said Ook's owner, Roger Pearson, who tours British schools with Ook in his job with the Natural History Lecture Service. ``He works in schools a great deal and has done since he was six weeks old so he is aware of children of all ages,'' he told The Mail on Sunday. The four books about Harry Potter's adventures at the Hogwarts school of wizardry and witchcraft have proved one of the biggest successes in modern publishing and made author J.K. Rowling a multi-millionaire. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 13:13:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:13:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4909 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4900] Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 9:13 am (ET) They have found Hedwig. This part in the movie has been cast to a British snowy owl named Ook (well at least some of the cast will be British!). The only technical problem is that Ook is female and Hedwig is male (does anyone know if this is stated somewhere?), but this has happened in movies before!.... I think Hedwig is feamle! It certainly is a female name! I have heard that Lassie was actually a male dog though.... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 13:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4910 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4901] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 9:19 am (ET) Hi: "Who's to say that Fred, George & Lee aren't the only Gryffindor males in their year?" Simon's Reply: <<<I would have thought that there must be some other boys in there year. Otherwise we are left with 3 pratical jokers and no one to do any work!>>> Ahem . . . . why pray tell need there be other *males* to *do the work*??? <vbg> I simply could *not* resist that comment! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 13:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: # of Members Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4911 From: plinsenmayer Subject: # of Members Date: 7/23/00 9:21 am (ET) Hi -- Wow! I just noticed that we're up to 403 members. No wonder we've had so much activity (although I do think it's largely the same smaller group of people who are regular posters). Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 13:23:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:23:00 -0400 Subject: One bad thing about getting email posts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4912 From: GypsyCaine Subject: One bad thing about getting email posts Date: 7/23/00 9:23 am (ET) you don't see that someone else posted something when you try to reply to/add to/introduce a post! Sorry about that! I think the wand is whole, btw. Haven't read that section of the three yet, but my book 2 has been shipped (should get it just in time to interrupt my studying for my final finals! (Out out cursed school--July 28th is my absolute last day!!!!! Then I am legally a programmer! 72 credit hours finished). I believe there was a comment in the SS: Pg 81, when Harry first got Hedwig, "Harry now carried a large cage that held a beautiful snowy owl, fast asleep with her head under her wing..." That answers that? Grins. Dee From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:21:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:21:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4913 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4900] Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 10:21 am (ET) JKR's middle name is Kathleen. John F. Kennedy's middle name is Fitzgerald. My brother says that she goes by "J.K. Rowling" to get both boys and girls to read it. Sometimes boys won't read books by female authors and vice versa. ~Kaitlin From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:22:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:22:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4914 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4909] Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 10:22 am (ET) Hedwig is female. Review the books. She is referred to as a "she". From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4915 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 10:28 am (ET) Hi: As I predicted . . . anyone see what #5 is on the newly-created "Children's" Bestseller List? The Backstreet Boys: The Official Guide -- now *there's* a piece of fine literature. That was worth creating this special list. <dripping sarcasm> Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:43:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4916 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4905] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 10:43 am (ET) <<PS. Come on Neil, give me a hand!>> Hmmm, okay. (1) Ollivander says that Hagrid's wand was a good one, and Hagrid agrees, 'It was, sir, yes'. Talking in the past tense suggests that the wand was good when it was whole, and is now less than good. But, Hagrid could just be covering. (2) Ollivander says to Hagrid, 'But I suppose they snapped it in half when you got expelled?' The use of 'they' suggests some sort of authority, such as the Ministry of Magic, rather than an individual, such as Dippet, is responsible for such things. Why does Ollivander 'suppose' it was snapped in half? That's quite a specific form of damage, which suggests that this would be normal practice for serious misuse of magic. Otherwise, he might have said, 'I suppose it was broken up/destroyed/confiscated?' We can probably assume that Ollivander knows the wand regulations backwards, but the fact that he 'supposes' the observance of the regulations, does not mean they *were* observed. (3) Hagrid says, 'Er - yes, they did, yes' and then confirms that he's still got the pieces. To me, this is the behaviour of someone lying through their teeth. Ollivander makes an assumption; Hagrid hesitates, confirms it, and follows up with a statement reinforcing that assumption. (4) Ollivander says, 'But you don't *use* them'. This indicates that Ollivander assumed that the two pieces of the wand *could* be used. However, what's the point of snapping a wand in half if it can still be used in some way? If someone has been irresponsible, surely the last thing you want to do is leave them with an unpredictable tool? That would be like putting a convicted drunken driver in charge of a car with no brakes. Conclusion: I think it's possible, even likely, that Hagrid's wand is still in one piece, and that he pretended to Ollivander [probably a stickler for rules] that it had been snapped. Neil From heiditandy at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 14:54:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4917 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4915] Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 10:54 am (ET) re: the comment earlier this week about Danielle Steel being number one on their new list- (if any of you are danielle steel fans, please don't hate me for this) - I always thought Danielle Steel readers were 14-19 year old girls (i.e. mostly kids) I wonder if Scholastic wanted to do a survey of readers to find which book had a higher average age - HP or the new DS book. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:01:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4918 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4900] Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 11:01 am (ET) <<The only technical problem is that Ook is female and Hedwig is male>> Simon - I'm assuming you just got it the wrong way round, since Hedwig is undoubtedly female, and the news report says Ook is a 'he'. ** 'Interesting' Fact: Hedwig was a German saint. There's a town in Germany named after her. ** I'm sure Ook can carry it off, as long as his goolies aren't hanging out. ** I'm delighted to hear that they've cast a British actor in this role. An American hoot would have ruined the film for me... Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:04:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4919 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4917] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 11:04 am (ET) Hi: <<<re: the comment earlier this week about Danielle Steel being number one on their new list-(if any of you are danielle steel fans, please don't hate me for this) - I always thought Danielle Steel readers were 14-19 year old girls (i.e. mostly kids).>>> Since the last Danielle Steele book I read was when I was about that age (late high school or early college), I would tend to agree. Of course, there's also the group of middle-aged women who come in & buy one of each in the new shipments of Harlequin, Silhouette & other "churn em' out by the dozen" romance publishers. They also tend to gravitate to the Steele books. I worked in a WaldenBooks all through high school & college -- those women would show up like clockwork at 10:00 a.m. once a week when the new shipments would come in. Advance apologies to the Harlequin romance fans who might be reading HP as well. <<<I wonder if Scholastic wanted to do a survey of readers to find which book had a higher average age - HP or the new DS book.>>> Great idea. I'll mention that when I write them about the ancestor/descendant typo issue. <g> Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:09:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:09:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4920 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4917] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 11:09 am (ET) (if any of you are danielle steel fans, please don't hate me for this) Hey! Join my hot new Danielle Steele RPG club!!! It's kewl and we need new members! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/daniellesteeleforliterati Neil From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:20:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:20:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4921 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4920] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 11:20 am (ET) By: flying_ford_anglia Date: 7/23/00 11:09 am (if any of you are danielle steel fans, please don't hate me for this) >Hey! Join my hot new Danielle Steele RPG club!!! It's kewl and we need new members! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/daniellesteeleforliterati >Neil I am so, so gullible. I am by no means a Steel fan, but the link piqued my curiosity. I'm glad I found this club. I had no idea what the heck was going on. You should have seen my mouth gape open when I saw the NYT Bestsellers' List at Sam's Club the other day. I wondered how, after a first printing of 3.2 million, Harry could have Disapparated so quickly. Next, they'll create a Religious list to get rid of the Left Behind series... And a "Chicken Soup" list... And an "Oprah" list... ***fuming*** I say through clenched teeth, God bless America. Ebony AKA AngieJ (who is an extremely paranoid conspiracy theorist) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:36:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4922 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4921] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 11:36 am (ET) Hi: <<<I am so, so gullible.>>> I just *knew* Neil was kidding us, but I nevertheless did click on the link to see . . . <g> <<<Next, they'll create a Religious list to get rid of the Left Behind series... And a "Chicken Soup" list... And an "Oprah" list... ***fuming*** I say through clenched teeth, God bless America.>>> Here here! What is the point of a "Children's List" when the paper only prints the top 5? Today's issue is the 4 HP books plus the Official Guide to the Backstreet Boys. Grrrr. Why don't they just create a HP list??? Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:39:00 -0400 Subject: Clubs... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4923 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Clubs... Date: 7/23/00 11:39 am (ET) After following that link (very funny, dear), I got the idea to investigate the other HP clubs. I noticed something very interesting. There seems to be a pattern of someone who posts as a byline "Hell 2 Harry Potter haha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and deleted clubs. I am not certain if it's a hacker going in, changing that, and then deleted the clubs, or something else, but I know that one of the clubs were on my list, sometime ago. Here's the first: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/hogwartonline and another: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/harrypottershell Just thought it was interesting enough to speak about. Don't want to loose this club, do we? Too many messages to back up! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 15:59:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:59:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4924 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4918] Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 11:59 am (ET) "Simon - I'm assuming you just got it the wrong way round, since Hedwig is undoubtedly female, and the news report says Ook is a 'he'." This is indeed the case. I realised a little while after I had posted that I had made a mistake. It seemed wrong while I was writing it but I could not work out where the mistake was. Hedwig is female, Ook is male. As to the initial. In the papers today (or more correctly The Sunday Mail - JKR's favourite paper) there is a report saying that the K has been added to her initials to appeal to more readers. It continues to say that she has no middle name, the initial has been added by either her of the pubishers of the book. How true this is I do not know, but with the recent comments that JKR has made againt the Mail I see no reason why they would not have gone out to find some information on her that the public did not know. Simon From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 16:20:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: Clubs... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4925 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Clubs... Reply To: [Yahoo! #4923] Clubs... Date: 7/23/00 12:20 pm (ET) > Just thought it was interesting enough to speak about. Don't want to loose this club, do we? Too many messages to back up! Really? I have 2000 messages from here stored as of a few messages ago. Oooops, 1820. Sorry - I have 1820 messages stored. Hack away... Nicholas From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 16:22:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4926 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Underage magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4904] Re: Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 12:22 pm (ET) I always had the sneaking suspicion that the reason Harry got such a prompt notice about "underage magic" in Book 2 was that Dobby turned him in. After all, it wasn't Harry who levitated the pudding, it was Dobby. Dobby was using any means at hand to make sure Harry didn't return to Hogwarts. My point is that I would imagine the Weasley children were chronic lawbreakers when they were small (Ron's teddybear turns into a spider, etc), and it didn't really have any official consequences for them. However, Harry is living in a Muggle household, surrounded by nothing BUT muggles, and probably being watched much more closely that anyone realizes. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 16:37:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Backed up posts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4927 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Backed up posts Date: 7/23/00 12:37 pm (ET) I have backed up ALL e-mail messages I have, and if anmyone is interested in a 2.70Mb .txt file, or a 478kb .zip file of all of the messages, I will be pleased to e-mail you with it. I could even upload the archive to my website weekly, if anyone is interested? Anyone interested in this by e-mail reply to this. I can upload it to the Times data thingy too, actually - I am going to do that now. I can also encrypt this, if anyone feels that is necesarry. Nicholas From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 17:31:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:31:00 -0400 Subject: Initials Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4928 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Initials Reply To: [Yahoo! #4924] Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 1:31 pm (ET) <<As to the initial. In the papers today (or more correctly The Sunday Mail - JKR's favourite paper) there is a report saying that the K has been added to her initials to appeal to more readers.>> It would make sense, if she didn't have a middle name, to give her one: - - There was reportedly a move to disguise Rowling's sex, as the publishers felt that boys might not read a book written by a woman (a bit daft, in retrospect). - I can think of very few authors using one initial only - it lessens the impact somewhat. Remember those classics by H Wells, J Tolkien, E Forster, C Lewis, P James et al. - Fans would end up calling her 'JR', and get her confused with Larry Hagman on a regular basis. Simon - is it the Sunday Mail then (a Scottish newspaper, I think)? I thought it was the Mail on Sunday. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 17:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: Backed up posts/Yahoo facilities Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4929 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Backed up posts/Yahoo facilities Reply To: [Yahoo! #4927] Backed up posts Date: 7/23/00 1:43 pm (ET) <<I have backed up ALL e-mail messages I have, and if anmyone is interested in a 2.70Mb .txt file, or a 478kb .zip file of all of the messages>> That's useful to know, and it reminds me of the discussion we had about reading messages in the club vs reading them via e-mail. I still prefer visiting this club online, but a couple of things have been raised that I hadn't thought about: - 1. People can read e-mail messages offline. Reading them online runs up my phone bill, which is already massive. 2. People can use search facilities on their e-mail to identify past messages (ably demonstrated by Nicholas). On the latter point, I think it was Dave H who bemoaned the lack of a search facility in the club environment? I wrote to Yahoo recently, and that was one of the things I suggested. They replied that many of the features we use now were originally suggested by users, and they welcome suggestions, so perhaps they will add that feature one day. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 17:56:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4930 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Underage magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4926] Re: Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 1:56 pm (ET) The Ministry of Magic seems to keep pretty close tabs on the wizarding world, and I propose that they are able to identify all magic citizens through some sort of energy signature or aura. I suggest that the technology used would be related to that used to create the Marauders Map. Any underage use of magic might trigger some sort of 'alarm' at the Central Registry of Magic (or similar). It would be easy to tell which Weasley had done the deed, for example, because the records would show their name in bright green flashing ink (or something similar). Otherwise, perhaps they have a regular census to identify the members of the population? Censuses aren't 100% foolproof of course. Some things, such as unregistered animagi, seem to slip past them pretty easily. Okay, now shoot it down in flames... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4931 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4910] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 2:15 pm (ET) Going back to something I said about 10 quintizillion posts ago, I think there is an 'ensemble cast' effect being used when it somes to the student body (and the teachers). We only hear about a few of the characters and most of the action focuses on a very few, but that's not to say there aren't others standing in the background, muttering 'rhubarb, rhubarb'. For example.... oh, better put in spoilerspace m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m In Book 1 there was no mention of Divination, but later, Professor Trelawney rose out of the ether. Characters seem to appear and disappear as suits the plot and Harry's direct experiences. It would be crazy to mention *everyone*, so it makes sense to develop certain characters and have the rest as a non-speaking 'crowd'. If someone had asked how many house elves there were at Hogwarts, a year ago, we would have said 'zero'. The fact that things/people are never mentioned does not mean they aren't there. I admit that this is unlikely, but could there be more than one dorm room for the Gryffindor boys in Harry's year, and the reason we only hear about the other four boys in his dorm room is precisely because he shares the room with them and knows them best? Hmmm - this theory is looking less good by the minute :) Neil From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:20:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4932 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4931] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 2:20 pm (ET) << I admit that this is unlikely, but could there be more than one dorm room for the Gryffindor boys in Harry's year, and the reason we only hear about the other four boys in his dorm room is precisely because he shares the room with them and knows them best? >> Last time I checked, Harry's room was always referred to as _the_ Gryffindor dorm (my emphasis), not "Harry's dorm in Gryffindor" etc. Just a thocht (Scots for "thought"). --John From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:28:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4933 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Underage magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4930] Re: Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 2:28 pm (ET) >>>>Any underage use of magic might trigger some sort of 'alarm' at the Central Registry of Magic (or similar). It would be easy to tell which Weasley had done the deed, for example, because the records would show their name in bright green flashing ink (or something similar). <<<< No flames, but two points I'd like to make: 1. Why did the Ministry send a letter to Harry when it was Dobby that levitated the pudding? Harry wasn't doing the magic. 2. The whole thing sounds too creepy "Big Brother-y" to me. Imagine having your every move monitored and recorded. UGH! Of course, it could very well be true, because Fudge was waiting for Harry at the Leaky Cauldron in Book 3. Was that just a lucky guess? If they were able to keep such accurate track of mischief, why couldn't they see Peter Pettigrew & Sirius Black in the Shrieking Shack (provided they have a Marauder's Map of Great Britain). If the original Hogwarts 3 Musketeers (James, Sirius, and Remus) were capable of creating the map when they were teenagers, surely someone else would think of the same thing. Too many questions unanswered! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4934 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4932] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 2:29 pm (ET) <<Last time I checked, Harry's room was always referred to as _the_ Gryffindor dorm (my emphasis), not "Harry's dorm in Gryffindor" etc.>> Yes, you're right, although there must be dorms for the other years as well. Odd, isn't it, that those five boys always end up in the *same" dormitory? You'd think they'd move into the 2nd year dorm, 3rd year dorm etc. each year, to make room for the new intake. Also, Harry's dorm room has five beds only. What would have happened if ten boys had been sorted to Gryffindor? Would there be room for them? Would the room have been transformed, by magic, to have the correct capacity? Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:34:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Subject: Future Authors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4935 From: Danemead Subject: Future Authors Date: 7/23/00 2:34 pm (ET) Do you realize what a wonderful proving ground this list is, for future authors. Let this be a lesson to you out there... If you're going to create an alternate reality, make sure you've cross-checked every tiny fact across all historical storylines, through at least ten volumes of episodes. And I do hope that there is someone out there right now who is working on a successor in a similar vein as Harry Potter. I'd love to see a storyline that encompassed a more global canvas -- hope I live to read it some day! From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:43:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4936 From: Danemead Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4934] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 2:43 pm (ET) >>>>Would the room have been transformed, by magic, to have the correct capacity? <<<< This reminds me.... S P O I L E R S P A C E This reminds me -- wouldn't it be WONDERFUL to have a chest like Moody had, with all those hidden compartments (including one big enough to hold a person)? I'd finally have enough room to store all my books & videos & audios. Just tuck a couple thousand of 'em into a tiny little steamer trunk and close the lid. hmmmmmmm.... Dear Santa, for Christmas this year, I would like ..... From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:47:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:47:00 -0400 Subject: 60,000 capacity SkyDome in Toronto Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4937 From: Danemead Subject: 60,000 capacity SkyDome in Toronto Date: 7/23/00 2:47 pm (ET) Article on JKR's public appearance in Toronto: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/gam/National/20000721/UPOTTN.html From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 18:58:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:58:00 -0400 Subject: Chats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4938 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Re: Chats Reply To: [Yahoo! #4867] Re: Chats Date: 7/23/00 2:58 pm (ET) Thanks Simon PS where bouts in Dorset RU? From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:12:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:12:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4939 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4900] Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 3:12 pm (ET) >There is a report in todays paper that the K in JKR is made up and that she does not actually have a >middle initial. It is an advertising ploy. Such as John F Kennadey (sorry if misspelt), etc. The "F" stands for "Fitzgerald"... Harry S. Truman is the president with the "decoy" middle initial. >The only technical problem is that Ook is female and Hedwig is male... Umm... Hedwig is female! From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:15:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4940 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4934] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 3:15 pm (ET) <<<<<Odd, isn't it, that those five boys always end up in the *same" dormitory? You'd think they'd move into the 2nd year dorm, 3rd year dorm etc. each year, to make room for the new intake. >>>>>> Probably the year of the dorm room changes, so this year it's the fourth year dorm and next year the fifth year dorm and when Harry graduates it will become the first year dorm again. So there are six other boy dorm rooms and you always stay in the same room. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:22:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4941 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4917] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 3:22 pm (ET) I guess they're conveniently defining 14-19 as "Adult". As I've said previously, I believe this "new list" is motivated by jealousy, just as the separate scale for women chess players was an act of jealousy because no one wanted Judith Polgar showing up alongside macho champions like Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer. -- Dave ( Still seeking sponsorship for a J. Polgar vs. R. Weasley match... :) ) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:31:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 Subject: Initials and location Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4942 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Initials and location Reply To: [Yahoo! #4928] Re: Initials Date: 7/23/00 3:31 pm (ET) "Simon - is it the Sunday Mail then (a Scottish newspaper, I think)? I thought it was the Mail on Sunday" I did mean the Mail on Sunday, but call it the Sunday Mail since it is the Daily Mail for the rest of the week. I have read teh Sunday Mail and yes it is aimed at Scotland. It is hard to get in Dorset. Lizabee_uk - I live in Blandford but list location as Dorset, or more commonly Oxford where I spend more of my time. Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:34:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch World Cup (SPOILERS!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4943 From: davehoz Subject: Quidditch World Cup (SPOILERS!) Date: 7/23/00 3:34 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * * Why *did* Krum catch the snitch when they were behind? Was it just Bulgaria's way of "Resigning" (to borrow a chess term), or was it deliberate to end the game early so that the Death Eaters could do their stuff? (I'm still dubious about Krum... He *does* go to Durmstrang after all...) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:35:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: A quick point Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4944 From: hert0661 Subject: A quick point Date: 7/23/00 3:35 pm (ET) Today I made a small slip in saying that Hedwig was male when she is female. I have noticed that quite a few people posted the one line reply saying that this is wrong. Can people check to see if anyone else has already posted such a reply, as it is very likely that this is the case. There is no need for lots of messages with the same simple reply. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:37:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch World Cup (SPOILERS!) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4945 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Quidditch World Cup (SPOILERS!) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4943] Quidditch World Cup (SPOILERS!) Date: 7/23/00 3:37 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * * "Why *did* Krum catch the snitch when they were behind?" As Harry says: 'He knew they were never going to catch up, the Irish chasers were too good ... he wanted to end it on his term, that's all...' Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:44:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0400 Subject: Underage magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4946 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Underage magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #4933] Re: Underage magic Date: 7/23/00 3:44 pm (ET) "If they were able to keep such accurate track of mischief, why couldn't they see Peter Pettigrew & Sirius Black in the Shrieking Shack (provided they have a Marauder's Map of Great Britain). If the original Hogwarts 3 Musketeers (James, Sirius, and Remus) were capable of creating the map when they were teenagers, surely someone else would think of the same thing." It is this sort of thing that annoys me. One minute they can find Harry in a few minutes and the next they cannot locate Sirius at all. Unless it is a further example of the protection Dumbledore has pt on Harry. In some way he has made him easy to find. So that if he does run away then they can get to him before the bad guys! A map of the UK that is like the Marauders map. That would be one big piece of parchment. Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:47:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Minor Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4947 From: davehoz Subject: Veela (Minor Spoiler) Date: 7/23/00 3:47 pm (ET) SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * *SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * * Just found the following that might be interesting... "VEELA: These are the spirits or fairies of the woods, streams, and lakes in the folk beliefs of the people of eastern Europe... They are like the Dryads of Greek mythology, who are the guardians of the woods and skilled in the healing herbs of the domain. They are described as young, beautiful maidens with long, flowing hair, dressed in white. They love to make music and dance in the forest glades... They live in communities... and may marry and have children with mortals." SOURCE: _Spirits, Fairies, Gnomes, and Goblins : An Encyclopedia of the Little People_ by Carol Rose. ABC-CLIO, Santa Barbara CA 1996. So "Veela" is apparently a common spelling... Also they seem to be generally more benevolent than JKR paints them. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:47:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: Site for Dave! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4948 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Site for Dave! Date: 7/23/00 3:47 pm (ET) http://www.whitelightpentacles.com/ is the publishing? company that put out the tape you are seeking! Good luck! Dee From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:53:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:53:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4949 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4934] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 3:53 pm (ET) "Odd, isn't it, that those five boys always end up in the *same" dormitory? You'd think they'd move into the 2nd year dorm, 3rd year dorm etc. each year, to make room for the new intake." I think this is a good idea. All the dorms off one central landing area with you having the same one for the seven years. You keep the same dorm and the opne that had year 7 in it changes to being the one for year 1 the next year. It is the fact that they found their dorm so easily that leads me to suspect there is only the one for the boys in Gryffindor. If there were two they would have to work out which one is theirs and this would have been mentioned as Neville would probably have gone to teh wrong one. "Ahem . . . . why pray tell need there be other *males* to *do the work*??? <vbg>" Is this from a film? You make it sound as if I should know it! McGonagall strikes me as someone who wants a good average performance from her students. I am sure she would do more to get the three to work if they were the only males in the year as the average grade would be quite low. Having said that Ron says they still get reasonable grades! From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 19:56:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4950 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4916] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 3:56 pm (ET) "This indicates that Ollivander assumed that the two pieces of the wand *could* be used. However, what's the point of snapping a wand in half if it can still be used in some way?" It surprises me but maybe Hagrid has found some way of using them. Having seen how some people are for following rules it would surprise me if the wand was not snapped. Simon From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 20:11:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:11:00 -0400 Subject: Site for Dave! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4951 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Site for Dave! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4948] Site for Dave! Date: 7/23/00 4:11 pm (ET) Thanks so much! I'm downloading their catalog now... From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 20:15:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:15:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4952 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4941] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 4:15 pm (ET) The whole stereotyping and pigeonholing of books REALLY irritates me. For instance, our local library insists on cataloguing half of the scifi and fantasy books as Young Adult and the other half in the Adult section. It's especially annoying because the two sections are on different levels of the library. </rant> --John From hert0661 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 20:48:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:48:00 -0400 Subject: Something to keep you all occupied Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4953 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Something to keep you all occupied Reply To: [Yahoo! #3106] Something to keep you all occupied Date: 7/23/00 4:48 pm (ET) These anagrams were posted about 25 days ago (message #3106) and I have just told people on the chat that I would post the answers now. People: 1) Wendelin the Weird 2) Colonel Fubster 3) Florean Fortescue 4) Sir Cadogan 5) Walden MacNair 6) Molly and Arthur Weasley 7) Madam Rosmerta 8) Stan Shunpike 9) Remus Lupin, Peter Pettigrew, Sirius Black and James Potter - Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs Things: 1) The Dementors of Azkaban 2) Handbook of DIY Broomcare 3) Pocket Sneakoscope 4) St Brutus's Secure Centre for Incurably Criminal Boys 5) The Monster book of Monsters 6) The Accidental Magical Reversal Department 7) The Quidditch Final 8) Hogsmeade Permission Form 9) Fleetwood's High-Finish Handle Polish Simon From sage016 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 21:44:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4954 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4915] Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 5:44 pm (ET) UGH THATS SO ANNOYING. Nothing pisses me off more than this new childrens list. rawr! (and i was already having a bad day....humph) -kristen- From shellymoos at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 23:18:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Dorm question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4955 From: shellymoos Subject: Dorm question Date: 7/23/00 7:18 pm (ET) Hi all, I have been rereading some of the books to pick up the little things that you miss sometime. I am on CoS and have been reading all the talk about the dorms. On page 85 of CoS it states that they go up to their dorms which has a "SECOND YEARS" sign on it now. But it is their old familiar room from last year for the five boys, Harry, Ron, Seamus, Dean and Neville. They stay in the same room every year apparantley just changing the sign above the door. So when the seven years leave do they give those rooms to the new first years? Must be how it works. Later Shelly From brp13 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 23:45:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:45:00 -0400 Subject: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wiza Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4956 From: brp13 Subject: Re: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wiza Reply To: [Yahoo! #4897] First post: & _So You want 2B a Wizard_ Date: 7/23/00 7:45 pm (ET) Ahhh. So you want to be a wizard. That's a pretty good series. I agree with your thoughts on the harry potter books. The reason they are so popular is you usually expect something entirely different then what you actually end up with. That's why I like them. She does a pretty good job with that. From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 00:51:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4957 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4952] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/23/00 8:51 pm (ET) > </rant> lol... I suppose Neil would have me say </rampage> ??? Nicholas From salter15 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:08:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:08:00 -0400 Subject: Marcus Flint Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4958 From: salter15 Subject: Marcus Flint Date: 7/23/00 11:08 pm (ET) Ok, I have been reading back through the older posts and haven't noticed anything about this. I have been rereading the first 3 books and I have noticed something. In the US version of SS on pg. # 185 the Gryffindors are playing the Slytherin team for the first time and they introduce Marcus Flint as the captain and he is a 6th year. Then in PoA (US version) pg.# 305 they mention Flint again as the captain. How can that be seeing that there are only 7 years? That would mean that Flint was in his 8th year? Just wondering if anyone else noticed. Janet From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:21:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Ren Faire Poppets Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4959 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Harry Potter Ren Faire Poppets Date: 7/23/00 11:21 pm (ET) So, I just got home from the Bristol (as in, Bristol, Wisconsin) Ren Faire, and guess what I got! A woman was making Harry Potter poppets! I got one of Hermione, Harry, Ron and Dumbledore. It was cool watching her make them, too. Then I met a really yummy boy...but that's a whole different story. Tori From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:46:00 -0400 Subject: WAS: Re: Hagrid's Wand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4960 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: WAS: Re: Hagrid's Wand Reply To: [Yahoo! #4905] Re: Hagrid's Wand Date: 7/23/00 11:46 pm (ET) > Is it just me, or is professor dippet meant to be quite incompetent? Yes. I've referred to him as a jerk and as an asshole. With the improvement HP books have made in my vocabulary, maybe I will call him a pillock. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:49:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: Animals, Initials and the movie. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4961 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Reply To: [Yahoo! #4913] Re: Animals, Initials and the movie. Date: 7/23/00 11:49 pm (ET) > John F. Kennedy's middle name is Fitzgerald. One of his ancestors -- his grandfather? -- was a Boston City Councilman surnamed Fitzgerald, nicknamed Honey Fitz because of his skill at oratory, and JFK's yacht was named the Honey Fitz after him. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:54:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: An analysis of Stouffer's lawsuit.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4962 From: rainy_lilac Subject: An analysis of Stouffer's lawsuit.... Date: 7/23/00 11:54 pm (ET) By a rather interesting lawyer who also reviews books on the web! He has looked at this case in some depth, and I thought you guys might find it interesting: http://www.crosswinds.net/~jsavage/journals/j9912.html#99Dec01 He follows this article up with the following update on one of his other pages. Thoughts?: "... And now, the outrage. Some readers may recall my rant against Nancy Stouffer--or, rather, the greedy bastards advising her--and her misapprehension of trademark law. Further research has confirmed that, in the Second Circuit (which includes New York), her position is dead meat. So, what does she do? Well, if Dad denied you the use of the car, you went and asked Mom, right? First, she filed a motion in the declaratory judgment action in New York, brought by the publishers to have the court rule that J.K. Rowling's muggles don't infringe Nancy Stouffer's muggles (see Scholastic, Inc., et al. v. Stouffer, No. 99-CV-11480 (S.D.N.Y., pending)), to have that action thrown out because the New York court doesn't have personal jurisdiction over her. What's irritating is that an objection to personal jurisdiction is supposed to be the first formal filing made by a party--and Stouffer's lawyers waited until six days before the pretrial conference, three months after the declaratory judgment action was filed, to file their motion. Stouffer then turned around and filed her own infringement action in Philadelphia (Philadelphia being in the Third Circuit, which hasn't ruled on the issue at hand before), while the New York case was still pending. That's a no-no akin to asking Mom about the car while Dad is still in the room. In theory, the Phildelphia case should be immediately transferred to New York and consolidated; if Judge Schwartz in New York rules that the New York court does not have personal jurisdiction over Stouffer, which is actually possible (although probably inappropriate), the case would then be transferred back to Philadelphia. The interesting issue is whose law would apply--a far from trivial question. In theory, the law applicable to the first-filed case (Second Circuit) should apply under the transfer statute. Nonetheless, there's an argument that since that first-filed action was dismissed under Rule 12, it's not really consolidated anymore. Of course, this is only a thumbnail sketch; procedurally, it's a lot more complicated. But it appears to be an unanswered (or at least not clearly answered) question in choice of law. It would be much plainer in a diversity suit where state law applies, because there's Supreme Court precedent on the issue. But there's also Supreme Court precedent saying that the rule is different in purely federal cases--but not specifying what the rule is. Thus, Harry Potter may end up meaning more to legal history than a footnote in some judge's opinion when he or she is trying to be cute." From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 03:55:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:55:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students in Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4963 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #4931] Re: # of Students in Hogwarts Date: 7/23/00 11:55 pm (ET) >>>Going back to something I said about 10 quintizillion posts ago, I think there is an 'ensemble cast' effect being used when it somes to the student body (and the teachers). We only hear about a few of the characters and most of the action focuses on a very few, but that's not to say there aren't others standing in the background, muttering 'rhubarb, rhubarb'. Yeh, I agree. I have always assumed that the Hogwarts cast was sort of like the Star Trek one; only 10 or so people with speaking parts, and several hundred extras. And Dumbledore, like Kirk and Picard is 'responsible for the lives of 400 people aboard this ship', but so as not to confuse matters we'll mostly ignore the other 390. From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 04:04:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:04:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4964 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4957] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/24/00 12:04 am (ET) Do you think Jk will make book five even longer than book 4? The length of the books have continued to increase in the US version from 309 pages to 341, 435 and finally 734 pages. I sure hope so! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 04:06:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4965 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Bestseller List OFF TOPIC Reply To: [Yahoo! #4952] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/24/00 12:06 am (ET) >>>The whole stereotyping and pigeonholing of books REALLY irritates me I have to join Johns rant here. This drives me nuts too. A few weeks ago I went to Borders, intending to buy the sequel (forgot the title) to Golden Compass by Philip Pullman and Tales of the City by Armistead Maupin. I had bought Golden Compass in another store and it was in the scifi section. I did not find anything by Pullman in Borders scifi section. I finally found it in the Young Adult section. Then I went to the Fiction section to look for Tales of the City but didnt find anything by Maupin. It turns out that his books are in the Gay and Lesbian Literature section, I suppose because Maupin is gay and some (but not even most!) of the characters in the book are gay. Is it really necessary to segregate literature this way? I mean, it is convenient in some ways, but it means that only people who already have a particular interest will be likely to learn about it. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 04:17:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:17:00 -0400 Subject: thinking about the movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4966 From: joywitch999 Subject: thinking about the movie Date: 7/24/00 12:17 am (ET) Once again, I am desperately trying to find creative Harry Potter-related activities to occupy myself with, since we have a long, long wait for the next book. I have been thinking about the movie. Although, given the director, I am not too hopeful, I think it will be exciting to actually see what Hogwarts, etc. looks like, even though it will probably look nothing like any of us want it too. My question/fantasy is: What kind of visual effects and other cools things would you have if you were making the movie? I know that if I were doing it, I would have it open in the Potters house on Halloween 1981. I would have the camera pan thru the dark house, showing some cool magical stuff, like paintings with real people in them, and then focus on the clock, which would be like the Weasley family clock from GoF that shows where each family member is. The hands that represent James, Lily and Harry are all pointed at HOME. Suddenly -- OMINOUS MUSIC -- there is a loud scary noise, a big black shadow creeping along the hallway, and the hands on the clock turn to MORTAL DANGER........ From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 04:24:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:24:00 -0400 Subject: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wiza Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4967 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: First post: & _So You want 2B a Wiza Reply To: [Yahoo! #4897] First post: & _So You want 2B a Wizard_ Date: 7/24/00 12:24 am (ET) Some random thoughts on points of publishing themes of late: 1) Andre Norton, one of the SF and Fantasy Grand master Aard winners - real name Alice Mary Norton, (not the same mary Norton as the Borrowers books). Publisher gave her the Andre Norton pen name when she made her first sales around 1946, to make it seem probable it was a male author. 2) NYT Best Seller list. For Sandman fans - the "Midsummer Night's Dream" Issue won the World Fantasy Award for the year it came out. After that they changed the rules so a comic book could not win the WFA. Same kind of deal as NYT list. The problem is, of course, by moving Potter off the adult list, you cannot keep track of how many adults are buying it for themselves! -Brooks From proko7 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 06:05:00 2000 From: proko7 at yahoo.com (proko7) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:05:00 -0400 Subject: Hi everyone! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4968 From: proko7 Subject: Hi everyone! Date: 7/24/00 2:05 am (ET) Hi! I am a new member. I am 19 years old, and have just recently been sucked into the world that is Rowling's. I am almost donne with the second volume, so no spoiling! (well, save for spoiler announcements that will warn me in advance!) I am a double major in English and Spanish, and reading/writing/playing the piano pretty much sums up my entire life! I am an unbelievably huge fan of Stephen King's Dark Tower series (anyone with me?), which is also forcasted to consist of seven volumes (four of which exist thus far...parallels, anyone?). ANYWAY, I look forward to discussions with you all. I might just join another Harry Potter club run by kids! Imagination is more important than knowledge, said Albert Einstein, and those are the words I live by. While I continue to age, and become sucked into the world of boring, adult, unimaginative living, I hold dearly to the reservoir inside me; a beautiful chamber (of secrets?) where my imagination lives, and where mentally I will NEVER allow myself to lose sight of the beauty that is in our minds. My childhood resort, I like to call it. More and more often I am visiting this place, because I am realizing what 9 to 5 workdays, dead end jobs, and politics do to a person as they age. We have to let our imaginations flourish, let our memories wander back to the glory days when we didn't care about getting up for work on a bright summer day. Like I said, I look forward very much to future discussions. I hope to hear from some of you soon. Thanks a lot! Proko p.s. One question: We all know the Weasley family, right? Am I correct in assuming that Fred, George, and Ron are all in the same year at Hogwarts as Harry? Are they different ages? Aren't Fred and George twins? But what about Ron? I guess I'm just confused about their relative ages. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 06:41:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:41:00 -0400 Subject: Bestseller List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4969 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Bestseller List Reply To: [Yahoo! #4952] Re: Bestseller List Date: 7/24/00 2:41 am (ET) >>For instance, our local library insists on cataloguing half of the scifi and fantasy books as Young Adult and the other half in the Adult section.<< Your library does this, too? I recently read the 4 main Tolkein books (Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings)... got Hobbit in the "children's" section, got Fellowship in SciFi, got Towers in YA, got RotK in SciFi. Talk about STUPID!!! This MUST be why I tend to buy books... too bad I'm poor now. ;) Jen (#1?) Ps. Neil, I swear, you're going to kill me one of these days with your jokes. ;) Danielle Steele RPG.... Hrmph. (btw, the only Steele book I ever read (and I can't even remember which one) was when I was about a sophomore in high school... so add age 15 to the demographic research) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 08:13:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:13:00 -0400 Subject: Bloomsbury Web Club Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4970 From: babynick34 Subject: Bloomsbury Web Club Date: 7/24/00 4:13 am (ET) Hi all. Well... as many of you know, Bloomsbury the UK publishers have a Webclub for HP fans. If you want to see the Birthday Letter they send from Jo... it's at: http://new.bloomsbury.com/bdayowl/main.html?id=607&id2=babynick34 at yahoo.co.uk Not sure how long it will be there for though. Nick. From anatty at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 09:24:00 2000 From: anatty at yahoo.com (anatty) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:24:00 -0400 Subject: S.P.E.W (spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4971 From: anatty Subject: S.P.E.W (spoiler) Date: 7/24/00 5:24 am (ET) Just in case you need this... * * * S P O I L E R S P A C E * * * I was thinking as I read the GOF (on my first time - I haven't re-read yet...Don't give me that face!) about S.P.E.W and why it was so important for Hermione to stand up for the House Elves. The first time she stood up for Winky (in the forest, after the Dark Mark appeared in the sky) I thought that Hermione was feeling that the House Elves owners treat them like Malfoy and his group treated her for being a Mudblood, and like some old (pure blood) wizard families treat other Mudbloods. I guess it was her way of protesting against the use of the word Mudblood and the point of view behind it. What do you think? 8^) Anatty http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/fulbourne/1048/ From naraht at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 10:41:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:41:00 -0400 Subject: Marcus Flint Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4972 From: naraht Subject: Re: Marcus Flint Reply To: [Yahoo! #4958] Marcus Flint Date: 7/24/00 6:41 am (ET) Someone asked JKR about this in one of her interviews. She said that Flint had to repeat a year. My guess is that she just forgot. Also, at just about any school I've seen, if you have to repeat a year you are not allowed to do extracurricular activities in the makeup year. But her universe, her choice. From vikar25 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 12:51:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:51:00 -0400 Subject: Hi everyone! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4973 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Hi everyone! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4968] Hi everyone! Date: 7/24/00 8:51 am (ET) Proko, Just so you know. (I'm not giving anything away, here.) Fred and George are at least two years ahead of Ron and Harry. This is given to the fact that they were able to play Quiddich the year before Harry arrived at Hogwarts. And as we all know first years are not supposed to be able to join the Quiddich team. Harry was a big exception due to his natural talent as a seeker. So Percy is two years older than Fred and George. Fred and George are two years older than Ron. Ron is one year older than his little sister. Regards, Vikar25 From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 13:05:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:05:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4974 From: delwyn_march Subject: Questions Date: 7/24/00 9:05 am (ET) Salut ! No spoilers here since I haven't read GoF yet (but that's going to happen very soon - thanks Neil ! - and Kristen too). But this also means that there might be elements in it that would answer my questions or even make them pointless. If so please tell me (and I don't mind spoilers). 1. What was Pr. Trelawney's first true prediction about ? ( When Harry mentions the seizure she had during his divination test, Dumbledore says that "That brings her total of real predictions up to two") 2. Invisibility cloaks are rare and expensive. How did James Potter acquire his ? 3. How come neither Lupin nor Black are afraid to pronounce Voldemort's name out loud while even Pettigrew is ? 4. Does it say anywhere which house James and co belonged to ? From what I've read on this site ( but I haven't read every single message back from the very first one), the general assumption would be Gryffindor. But from what I've read in the books, it might as well be Slytherin ! - First of all James and Sirius were such a pair of trouble-makers that the only comparison Hagrid can come up with is the Weasley twins ! - That would explain Snape's jealousy of James's talent at Quidditch : James had made it to the team and led it to victory, while Snape was forced to sit and watch ! - The gang *does* meet the Sorting Hat's definition : Or perhaps in Slytherin You'll make your real friends ( and so they did ) Those cunning folks use any means To achieve their ends ( just think of the Marauder's Map ! ) - There's also Hagrid saying in PS :"There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin". Had he forgotten about Sirius Black ? ( And note that he didn't say that no good witch or wizard could come out of Slytherin ) - And finally didn't the Sorting Hat want to put Harry in Slytherin ? Its just a theory but it gets me so confused ... A plus ! Do From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 13:40:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:40:00 -0400 Subject: My own very wild theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4975 From: delwyn_march Subject: My own very wild theory Date: 7/24/00 9:40 am (ET) Salut again ! There's this thought that has been nagging at me for some time, and I want to share it with you so you can all call me crazy and explain why I am obviously wrong ! Maybe it has already been expressed. If so just send me packing and remind me I should check the previous messages ! And again I have to say I haven't read GoF. Apart from the fact that James was not Muggle-born, we don't know anything about his family. We can even presume that he has no living relatives or Dumbledore would have sent Harry to live with them and not with the Dursleys ( and Hagrid would have contacted them too and not only James and Lily's friends when he made Harry's photo album). And when I read Tom Riddle's description ( tall and jet-black haired ), my first thought was : just like James ! So my question is : what if James was Voldemort's son ? To be more precise, what if V had fathered James and never recognized him, so that James would bear his *mother*'s name ? ( If so though, they would have a very weird tradition of orphaned boys in that family) I can even get crazier ! Maybe James's mother died when he was young, and he went to live with a family whose son would become so close a friend that they would seem as close as brothers : Sirius Black's ! After all it isn't said that James and Sirius met at Hogwarts. If this theory is right, it might even begin to explain *why* V wanted to kill James *and* Harry but not Lily. It could be that there's some kind of power in their genes ( maybe related to V being Slytherin's heir ) that could somehow be used to protect James and Harry from V. And there's one last point I would like to make. We don't know exactly how old James was when he died, but he was probably somewhere between 20 and 25. But we know that V had reappeared for 11 years by that time. So could it be possible that V had appeared precisely at the time James had begun attending Hogwarts, and perhaps even *because* of that ? Maybe he hadn't realized he had a son until then or something, and he had to hurry up his plans to gain power in order to be strong enough to attack James while he was still quite young and not too experienced and strong (obviously he couldn't attack him at school because of Dumbledore, and the boy would have had protection during the holidays, like Harry has). Wild isn't it ? Please someone tell me I'm crazy because that's how I feel anyway <g>. Hope I made sense. A plus ! Do From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 13:52:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:52:00 -0400 Subject: One last stupid question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4976 From: delwyn_march Subject: One last stupid question Date: 7/24/00 9:52 am (ET) During Harry's Divination test, Pr. Trelawney says : " [The Dark's Lord's] servant has been chained these twelve years. Tonight, before midnight, the servant will break free and set out to rejoin his master". But Pettigrew *wasn't* chained, he had *chosen* to live as a rat, hadn't he ? But then if he wasn't chained, why didn't he go and help Quirrell bring V back to power ? Sirius's explanation of this doesn't satisfy me at all. And maybe he *was* chained because somehow he didn't know how to become a man again. But that doesn't satisfy me either. A plus ! Do PS : I'm also puzzled by Sirius's accusation towards Peter : "You'd been passing informations to [Voldemort] for a year before Lily and James died". A year ? That would mean since Harry's birth ? Would there be any special reason for that ? From sage016 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 14:20:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Ren Faire Poppets Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4977 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Ren Faire Poppets Reply To: [Yahoo! #4959] Harry Potter Ren Faire Poppets Date: 7/24/00 10:20 am (ET) "Then I met a really yummy boy...but that's a whole different story." LOL...whew that made me laugh :) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 15:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Subject: thinking about the movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4978 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: thinking about the movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4966] thinking about the movie Date: 7/24/00 11:32 am (ET) I think they should kidnap the house used for the haunting (the one with Liam in it) for Hogwarts. The sizing of it is basically what I am picturing for the grand hall (where the bones in the fireplace are), and the bedrooms could easily fit five beds apiece in them! Dee. From CarverWB at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 16:25:00 2000 From: CarverWB at yahoo.com (CarverWB) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:25:00 -0400 Subject: Veela (Minor Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4979 From: CarverWB Subject: Re: Veela (Minor Spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #4947] Veela (Minor Spoiler) Date: 7/24/00 12:25 pm (ET) By: davehoz Date: 7/23/00 3:47 pm SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * *SPOILER SPACE!!!!! * * * * * * * * * << So "Veela" is apparently a common spelling... Also they seem to be generally more benevolent than JKR paints them.>> Well, you know people can get pretty emotional when rooting for their favorite teams... From whisper_jim at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 17:10:00 2000 From: whisper_jim at yahoo.com (whisper_jim) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:10:00 -0400 Subject: Hello and help Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4980 From: whisper_jim Subject: Hello and help Date: 7/24/00 1:10 pm (ET) Help and hello, in a space of a week, I've read four books. This I'm sure to most of you is as common as opening your mouth to consume food. However if you had told me 'you will read four books in the space of a week' seven days ago, I would have bent over double laughing. Miss J.R Rowling has supplied me with an appetite for reading that has astonished me but now the fourth and currently last book devoured, what am I to do now. Previously I've enjoyed the company of a book, like H.P would enjoy the company of Snape for an evening or two. Now with H.P book #5 rumoured for a release date of July next year (is this right?) I am now book less for a year and this I find disturbing. I cannot possibly wait a year if the rumour is to be true. So I ask you all, since you all must enjoy the H.P books as much or possibly more than I do. What other books are there which you think will satisfy this growing appetite, that is growing unchecked with the absence of anything good to read day by day. whisper_jim From heiditandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 17:13:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Reviews GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4981 From: heiditandy Subject: Stephen King Reviews GoF Date: 7/24/00 1:13 pm (ET) for the New York Times Review of Books, ironically, enough. And he pretty clearly says that it's not a "children's book" (i.e. not for the Under 13's (and since the Federal Trade COmmission defines Under 13 as Children, that should be enough, right?)). A small section: "... I awaited this summer's installment in J. K. Rowling's magical saga with almost as much interest as any Potter-besotted kid. I had enjoyed the first three, but had read the latter two while taking enough painkillers to levitate a horse. This summer, that's not the case. I'm relieved to report that Potter 4 -- ''Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire'' -- is every bit as good as Potters 1 through 3." It's at http://www.nytimes.com/books/yr/mo/day/reviews/000723.23kinglt.html (registration is required) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 17:39:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Hi everyone! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4982 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Hi everyone! Reply To: [Yahoo! #4968] Hi everyone! Date: 7/24/00 1:39 pm (ET) >>>Am I correct in assuming that Fred, George, and Ron are all in the same year at Hogwarts as Harry? Are they different ages? In PoA, towards the beginning of the book, it is clearly stated that (of course) Ron is a 3rd year along with Harry, Fred and George are 5th years, and Percy is 7th year (and Head Boy). From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 17:50:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: New pictures?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4983 From: Danemead Subject: New pictures?? Date: 7/24/00 1:50 pm (ET) I see in the club statistics on the main page that 4 new photos were added to the album a day or two ago. Did I miss the announcement? I found one of them in the Default Album -- loaded by Prof Dumbledore. WHERE did you get that map of Hogwarts and vicinity? It's beautiful! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 18:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: Hello and help Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4984 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hello and help Reply To: [Yahoo! #4980] Hello and help Date: 7/24/00 2:04 pm (ET) <<Help and hello, in a space of a week, I've read four books.>> Welcome to the club Jim (always glad to see another Brit here, as we are in the minority!). I'm sure we all empathise with your situation! Sadly, we do have to wait another year for Book 5, but I find being involved in this club helps to pass the time. As for book recommendations, you'll find quite a few dotted throughout the past messages here. Also, the Unofficial Harry Potter Club (in the links section) had a whole list of books recommended by other HP readers to pass the time before Book 4 came out - perhaps they are still there. In my own case, I started exploring other 'children's' fantasy literature to try to satisfy my hunger for more HP. I discovered Diana Wynne Jones, for example, another brilliant fantasy writer who weaves magic into her books. Like JKR, she's often classed as a children's writer but, in truth, speaks to all ages. I know some of the others here rave about Harry Potter fan fiction, particularly one called "Paradigm of Uncertainty", but I have to confess I haven't read it yet! Someone posted a link to the fanfic site a few posts ago (probably a few hundred ago, knowing this group). Anyway, good hunting... Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 18:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: thinking about the movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4985 From: Danemead Subject: Re: thinking about the movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4978] Re: thinking about the movie Date: 7/24/00 2:14 pm (ET) I bought of videotape of the remake of "The Haunting" SPECIFICALLY so I could drool over the sets. The remake totally ruined the story (see the original movie with Julie Harris), but the sets they used for Hill House in the Liam Neeson remake were incredible. At first I thought they were mostly computer-generated, but they had a behind-the-scenes at the end of the tape that showed them designing and building the interiors. Oddly enough, most of the rooms at Hogwarts seem to be just plain old rooms, with one or two spectacular exceptions. But I'd love to see how the set designer (Eugenio Zanetti) would bring Hogwarts to life in the film. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 18:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Map of Hogwarts~ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4986 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Map of Hogwarts~ Date: 7/24/00 2:41 pm (ET) Thank you! I have been looking for that since I saw in the magazine at the doctor's office. It was that magazine, last Jan-Feb, that inspired me to read the series! Thank you. Now if I could only recall what mag it was! Shrugging. Dee From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 19:10:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: Interesting HP review Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4987 From: joywitch999 Subject: Interesting HP review Date: 7/24/00 3:10 pm (ET) There is an interesting review of the HP series in this weeks New Yorker magazine. Sorry, I dont know if it is accessible via Internet. The review discusses the literary merits and origins of the HP books and (it seems to me) is just the type of dissection that all of us obsessed, cerebral, overly analytical types here on HPfG would enjoy. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 20:13:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:13:00 -0400 Subject: Marcus Flint Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4988 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Marcus Flint Reply To: [Yahoo! #4972] Re: Marcus Flint Date: 7/24/00 4:13 pm (ET) <<Someone asked JKR about this in one of her interviews. She said that Flint had to repeat a year.>> I believe it was his sixth year he repeated. This adds a new twist to the question of dorm rooms: Where does that put Marcus Flint (and others who repeat a year)? Did he stay in the same room where he'd always been, or did he transfer into the new sixth-years' room? If he stayed in the same room as before, what happens when his old classmates graduate? And either way, what happens if someone repeats the seventh year? Does he still stay in the same room, or transfer to the new seventh-years' room? If he stays in the same one, is he now sharing it with the new first-years, or is he alone while another room is magically created for the new first-years? Or maybe each house has an eighth don't-know-what-to-do-with-'em room for each gender. Guess I need a life. <g> Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 20:25:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4989 From: Danemead Subject: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 4:25 pm (ET) Re-reading Book 1, Hagrid tells Dumbledore that baby Harry fell asleep over Bristol as they were flying to Surrey where the Dursley's live. If Hagrid was going more or less in a straight line from Godric's Hollow to Little Whinging, Surrey, can we assume that the Potters lived in Wales, or possibly even Ireland? Britishers, comment please? From sage016 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 20:42:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4990 From: sage016 Subject: fan fiction Date: 7/24/00 4:42 pm (ET) just wondering if any of you know of any good fan fiction? i know this has been brought up in the past, but i cant find those posts. So if you know of any, could you please post the site address, or just email it to me. Rebelslgb at aol.com From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 20:45:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: thinking about the movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4991 From: davehoz Subject: Re: thinking about the movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4966] thinking about the movie Date: 7/24/00 4:45 pm (ET) I like this beginning... Much more effective (and less terrifying for small children) than explicitly showing the murder of the Potters. From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 20:57:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: My own very wild theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4992 From: anneinchicago Subject: Re: My own very wild theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4975] My own very wild theory Date: 7/24/00 4:57 pm (ET) Being new here <waves>, replying to this post may not seemm the wisest thing to do :-) However - there are quite a few thinghs I've been wondering about concerning Lord V, Lily & James also The first (and, as I said, I'm new so some of these questions may already been answered) is why doesn't anyone ever say - Hey, Harry. You've been accepted into Gryffidor House just like your father! Or, conversely, - Hey, Harry. Your father was in Slytherian and you're in Gryffidor? Or have I missed something? And here is my wild speculation. There is the triumviarate of Lily, James and Lord V. As far as I know, there has never been an explanation for how they all knew each other (at least in any detail). And what made Lord V so angry? So angry he became evil? And now we have a new triumvirate- Harry, Hermonie (SP) and Ron. And we have Ron growing increasingly jealous and resentful of Harry. Could this be an echoing of what has already happened in the past? With Lord V being resentfuil of James? And with both being, perhaps in love with the same girl? (Harry & Hermonie, Lord V. and Lily) Okay, enough incoherant rambling for now. Back to lurking. anne in chicago From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 21:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4993 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4989] Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 5:01 pm (ET) <<If Hagrid was going more or less in a straight line from Godric's Hollow to Little Whinging, Surrey, can we assume that the Potters lived in Wales, or possibly even Ireland? Britishers, comment please?>> A straight line from southern Surrey, through Bristol, skims South Wales, passing through Glamorgan and Dyfed. Travelling on to Ireland, we're talking south of the island - Cork, Kerry or Limerick, perhaps. 'If the passengers on the left of the aircraft would care to look out of their windows now' I think Godric's Hollow is either just near Bristol, or in Wales. Bristol sits north of the Mendip Hills. South of Mid- or West Glamorgan or maybe somewhere in the Rhondda Valley is most likely... 'Godric' has a sort of English/Welsh border feel to it, which doesn't help. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 21:26:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:26:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4994 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4993] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 5:26 pm (ET) Digging around, I uncovered details of St. Godric:- "The St. Godric Songs. (British Museum Ms. Reg. V, F. VII.) These are the earliest known songs in the English language. St. Godric died in 1170, so we may safely date these songs at approximately 1150. After a varied career, evidently including piracy, Godric retired into Wales, and spent the last forty or fifty years of his life as a hermit there." Two things: - Godric is clearly a very old name (there were also two Croyland Abbots with the name Godric - unnecessary note: Croyland Abbey is near my home town) This reference to old songs makes me think of the Sorting Hat, which apparently belonged to Godric Gryffindor. Perhaps the hat is really about 850 years old and still trotting out the tunes, once a year, like the head of Godric that used to be inside it! Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 21:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4995 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4994] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 5:32 pm (ET) Okay, I'll shut up about Godric after this, yet another snippet of St Godric's life: - "Saint Godric - an adventurous seafaring man noted for the severe austerity of his life, his close familiarity with wild animals, and his supernatural gifts." Animagi? Magic? Er, hmmm, piracy? (okay, not sure about that one). Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 22:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:00:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4996 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4994] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 6:00 pm (ET) Griffin or Gryffid - names associated with Irish or Welsh background? My mother's ancestors came from Ireland -- her maiden name was Griffin. I'd claim to be the last living descendent of Godric Gryffindor, but unfortunately, I have 33 first cousins. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 22:10:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4997 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4996] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 6:10 pm (ET) <<Griffin or Gryffid - names associated with Irish or Welsh background?>> Griff or Gryff is a Welsh boy's name. Neil Okay, that's the last thing... From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 22:20:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:20:00 -0400 Subject: OK, What's a Pillock? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4998 From: Danemead Subject: OK, What's a Pillock? Date: 7/24/00 6:20 pm (ET) Rita Skeeter refers to Bill as a long-haired pillock. Is this another Brit slang term? I couldn't find it in the dictionary, and when I did a search on the web, pillock just seemed to be an insult word. What is it? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 22:29:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: thinking about the movie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C4999 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: thinking about the movie Reply To: [Yahoo! #4991] Re: thinking about the movie Date: 7/24/00 6:29 pm (ET) >>>I like this beginning... Much more effective (and less terrifying for small children) than explicitly showing the murder of the Potters. Thanks, Dave. I am eagerly awaiting a call from Hollywood. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 22:33:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: lots of messages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5000 From: joywitch999 Subject: lots of messages Date: 7/24/00 6:33 pm (ET) I just posted message number 4,999 and I can not resist trying to post message number 5000, although at the rate people post here it will probably wind up being at least 5,017. We are a verbose bunch, arent we? (At least I am, I must admit.) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: # of Students (Again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5001 From: plinsenmayer Subject: # of Students (Again) Date: 7/24/00 7:01 pm (ET) Hi: Let's see -- I said: <<<"Who's to say that Fred, George & Lee aren't the only Gryffindor males in their year?">>> Then, Simon said: <<<I would have thought that there must be some other boys in there year. Otherwise we are left with 3 pratical jokers and no one to do any work!>>>> Then, I responded with: <<<"Ahem . . . . why pray tell need there be other *males* to *do the work*??? <vbg>">>> Simon has now asked: <<<Is this from a film? You make it sound as if I should know it! McGonagall strikes me as someone who wants a good average performance from her students. I am sure she would do more to get the three to work if they were the only males in the year as the average grade would be quite low. Having said that Ron says they still get reasonable grades!>>> I was kidding you! My point was that you seemed to imply that if there were only 3 males, no work would get done, regardless of how many females there were in Fred, George & Lee's class. I don't think you meant it that way at all; it just struck me that it could be interpreted that way & I laughed out loud. I think what you meant was just that there wouldn't be any males to do any real work if those 3 were the only ones in their year. But, I laughed and thought, "yeah, but maybe they've got lots of Hermione type females in their year!" So . . . it was just me ribbing you a bit. Sorry for the confusion; it was my own weak attempt at some sarcastic humour! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:06:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:06:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5002 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4989] Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 7:06 pm (ET) Hi: <<Re-reading Book 1, Hagrid tells Dumbledore that baby Harry fell asleep over Bristol as they were flying to Surrey where the Dursley's live. If Hagrid was going more or less in a straight line from Godric's Hollow to Little Whinging, Surrey, can we assume that the Potters lived in Wales, or possibly even Ireland? Britishers, comment please?>>> On harrypotteranonymous, we debated this issue a few months back. Nick & I more or less determined that probably they were in Wales, although we didn't find any of those obvious geographical clues as with finding out where the Burrow is. There was some village in southeastern Wales that was somewhat close as I recall. Penny From triner2001 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:13:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:13:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5003 From: triner2001 Subject: Lily's family history Date: 7/24/00 7:13 pm (ET) Yet again, I'm going there. I can't help it, I'm fascinated by the "what ifs" surrounding Harry's mama. So here's another one. What if Lily's family *were* wizards(perhaps two Squibs who married) with Petunia also being a Squib, who out of sheer jealousy of her sister renounced her family as freakish and abnormal and blended into the Muggle world. After all, she does say how proud her parents were when Lily recieved her acceptance letter to Hogwarts. "But my mother and father, oh, no, it was Lily this and Lily that, they were proud of having a witch in the family!" If that isn't the remark of a jealous woman, I'll eat a plate of Hagrid's homemade rock cakes! I know this works against my "Lily as a long-lost relative of the Weasleys" theory, but I think multiple theories are fun to have! And besides, that could still work. Trina From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:29:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:29:00 -0400 Subject: OK, What's a Pillock? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5004 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: OK, What's a Pillock? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4998] OK, What's a Pillock? Date: 7/24/00 7:29 pm (ET) A pillock has absolutely nothing to do with a hillock. ::grins:: It means a prat, a wally, a twit, a foolish sort of person. General term of derision roughly equivalent to "jerk", "idiot", "numbskull", "dumbbell" etc in US slang. --John, the New Yorker with a British accent From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:43:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5005 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/24/00 7:43 pm (ET) Hi: I read that same article, and he actually was quite explicit in saying that the books were no longer just "childrens' books." Yay for Stephen King! I'm no fan of the horror genre, but .... Anyway, here's what he said exactly on that point: ""She has said repeatedly that the Potter novels are not consciously aimed at any particular audience or age. The reader may reasonably question that assertion after reading the first book in the series, but by the time he or she has reached 'Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire,'it becomes increasingly clear that the lady means what she says. Nor can there be any question that her stated refusal to dumb down the language of the books (the current one is presented with such British terms as petrol, pub and cuppa unchanged) has lent the stories an attraction to adults that most children's novels simply don't have." So there to the NY Times!!!! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 -- Volunteers? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5006 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 3 -- Volunteers? Date: 7/24/00 7:51 pm (ET) Hi: Anyone want to volunteer to summarize and/or kick off discussions of Chapter 3 for this week? It's Monday again. Sorry about the late start (I realize it's actually Tuesday in the UK at this point). We were without power for over 12 hrs yesterday, and I'm having a hard time catching up (being without power (i.e., *air conditioning*) in Houston in late July is brutal to say the least!!!). Anyhoo . . . Chapter 3 -- any takers? We need another character discussion. Charlie didn't generate very much discussion last week, but then, we don't know as much about him yet. I'm going to suggest another Weasley but one I think will spark more interest & discussion -- I think we'll go with Percy next. I was going to say Ginny but we'll save her for next week. So, anyone want to start off the discussions of Percy? BTW, when it's time, should we discuss the twins as a unit? I'm inclined to think so -- they still don't seem all that distinctive to me (although Fred we know had a date to the Yule Ball, so is perhaps more outgoing than George?). Penny From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:51:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:51:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5007 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5005] Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/24/00 7:51 pm (ET) I really liked the Madeline L'engle books when i read them and i think that it may be a good Fantasy series for some of you who want to read some stories similar to HP that are at about the same age level of understanding. I think there are also 4 of those books, with a wrinkle in time being the first. Good luck! From sage016 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 23:56:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5008 From: sage016 Subject: percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5006] Chapter 3 -- Volunteers? Date: 7/24/00 7:56 pm (ET) *starting character discussion* he ANNOYS me to no end. good lord, i just wanna slap him across the face. But he does add to the books, a very good character. i pitty the rest of the Weasley's though haveing someone so....whats the word im looking for....kinda snobbish but not really. i dunno, i cant think of the right word. -kristen- From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:02:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:02:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5009 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5003] Lily's family history Date: 7/24/00 8:02 pm (ET) There are three subtheories (that I've heard) to the "Petunia is really a squib in a wizard family" theory, based on possible maiden names of Lily and Petunia, namely that it is: A) Lily and Petunia Riddle (The "Harry, I am your *grand*father" theory) B) Lily and Petunia Weasley (In which case they really *are* Harry's true family) or (my personal favorite) C) Lily and Petunia Snape (In which Severus wasn't *in love* with Lily but was her over-protective older brother, who hates James for "carrying her off" and Voldemort for killing her, which he blames James for too.) From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:14:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:14:00 -0400 Subject: percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5010 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5008] percy Date: 7/24/00 8:14 pm (ET) Percy can be annoying, I'll give you that. But I think he's just as concerned about being overshadowed by his brothers as is Ron. He has one older brother who was was good at quidditch, and one who was Head Boy, both of whom have interesting careers. I'd say he has a lot to live up to as well. And even though he doesn't say so, I am willing to bet he feels the pinch of Weasley poverty too, which is why is so willing to work so much overtime at the Ministry of Magic. And as for his priggishness, being an older sibling, he probably feels responsible for his younger brothers and sister and adopted a parental role with them at school. (One which they all patently ignored <g>) I like Percy in spite of (or perhaps because of) all his foibles. It will be interesting to see in the future books which way he'll go. Trina From tree_of_dreams at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:17:00 2000 From: tree_of_dreams at yahoo.com (tree_of_dreams) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5011 From: tree_of_dreams Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5007] Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 8:17 pm (ET) Here is a list of suggestions, including the L'Engle books: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nova/7320/ChildrensBooks.html From tree_of_dreams at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:22:00 2000 From: tree_of_dreams at yahoo.com (tree_of_dreams) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: Adults' Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5012 From: tree_of_dreams Subject: Adults' Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5007] Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 8:22 pm (ET) And here are some authors who have written fantasy for adults: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nova/7320/index.html From sage016 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:31:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:31:00 -0400 Subject: percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5013 From: sage016 Subject: Re: percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5010] Re: percy Date: 7/24/00 8:31 pm (ET) yeah, im pretty interested in what will happen to him. especially now with.....spoiler ahead: s p o i l e r * * * * * * * * * s p a c e * * * * * The whole mess with his boss now. sneaking is son out of azkaban.... -kristen- From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 00:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:52:00 -0400 Subject: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5014 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/24/00 8:52 pm (ET) Hi: Well, I agree with Trina for the most part. I like Percy, despite his Type A, over-achiever, busy-body personality. I think he's *alot* like his mother. He is quite protective (and proud of) his younger siblings -- he's demonstrated that several times. But, he sure annoys them no end, doesn't he? Some of what I'm going to say below is from GoF, so I'm putting in a spoiler warning and some good ol' spoiler space S P O I L E R S P A C E If our guesses re: the age gap between Percy & Charlie are correct (and that there's 8 yrs or more between them), then Percy is really the "eldest child" of the 2nd Weasley family (Percy, twins, Ron & Ginny). This would explain all his Type A traits. He's ambitious, but GoF certainly proved that he's not the only Weasley with some ambition. He's more of a conformist though than any of his siblings. And, as has been pointed out, his ambition & single-minded adherence to rules & authority could prove disastrous for him in later books. I think Percy will be faced with some serious conflicts later; it strikes me that there will be a split within the magical community and that most of the Weasleys will go against Fudge et al. Percy's career at the Ministry and his family loyalties may be sorely tested before all is said & done. Any bets on the status of his romance with Penelope? Is she still at Hogwarts? No mention of her in GoF. Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:01:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:01:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5015 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5009] Re: Lily's family history Date: 7/24/00 9:01 pm (ET) Dumbledore says that the Dursleys are the ONLY FAMILY HE HAS LEFT NOW. (SS, Chapter 1) I think I'd be reeeeeally disappointed if I find out that Harry has wizard relatives still alive, who never contacted during the ten years of his "incarceration" with the Dursleys. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:22:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:22:00 -0400 Subject: Salon/CNN blurb Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5016 From: smitster1 Subject: Salon/CNN blurb Date: 7/24/00 9:22 pm (ET) One of the other Harry groups noticed this today: *** Please be aware that key portions of GoF are revealed in the article: *** http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/24/potter.salon/index.html Is it HP #3 that first tells us the order in which Harry's parents died? Also, about what area of the book did we learn this? (Sorry, I've loaned out my book and can't find it.) From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:29:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: New pictures?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5017 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Re: New pictures?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4983] New pictures?? Date: 7/24/00 9:29 pm (ET) Actually, I am not sure where I originally found the picture of Hogwarts and vacinity. I've had it for some time. DR From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5018 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5005] Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/24/00 9:29 pm (ET) Cuppa? What on earth is cuppa? Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:32:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5019 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5007] Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 9:32 pm (ET) Madeline L'engle wrote three books that I am familiar with: A wrinkle in time, A wind in the door, and a swiftly tilting planet (my favorite--I love the rune! And the unicorn) What was the fourth in the series? Please, cause I will go forth and seek! I love MEG! Dee From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 01:55:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: Original Publication Dates for HP series Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5020 From: selah_1977 Subject: Original Publication Dates for HP series Reply To: [Yahoo! #5019] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 9:55 pm (ET) Does anyone know what the US and UK release dates for the first edition of each book in the series were? All I know is GoF--July 8, 2000 and PoA was sometime in the fall or summer of 1999. Please reply or e-mail me off list. Thanks. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 02:13:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:13:00 -0400 Subject: Snape or Ape: Was: Salon/CNN blurb Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5021 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Snape or Ape: Was: Salon/CNN blurb Reply To: [Yahoo! #5016] Salon/CNN blurb Date: 7/24/00 10:13 pm (ET) This was also on CNN Website http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/21/arts.potter.reut/index.html Tim Roth as Snape? From echomyst at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 02:29:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:29:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5022 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5019] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 10:29 pm (ET) >>>What was the fourth in the series?>>> "Many Waters"? Emily ps "A Wrinkle in Time" is one of my all-time favorites! =) From echomyst at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 02:33:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5023 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5022] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 10:33 pm (ET) Wait...hold on...sorry, I think it was a trilogy, there is no fourth book! Emily From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:02:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5024 From: angelx_ph Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/24/00 11:02 pm (ET) 1. It was mentioned in Book 2 "The Chamber of Secrets" that Colin Creevey is Muggle born (his father was a milkman), so how is it so possible that he would have a brother who's also a wizard (it didn't happen for Lily)? 2. Do you think we'd ever get to know Hermione's parents in the future books? 3. About those Muggle born wizards and witches who didn't know they were wizards until they received the letter from Hogwarts -- who talks to them, help them go shopping and help their parents understand and get over the initial shock in finding out the magical world? 4. Will Gilderoy Lockhart make a return appearance in the future books? 5. In "The Goblet of Fire", Fleur and Cedric used the Bubble Head Charm in order to do the task, how come Harry and Hermione didn't consider this particular charm even when they were rumaging through book after book. 6. Also in "GoF", Viktor Krum transfigured (though badly) himself into a shark -- how is that different from being Animagus? 7. Whatever became of S.P.E.W.? 8. I'm a literature major and I'll be starting to think of a topic for my thesis next term. It would be a little more enjoyable if I would do something in the lines of "Harry Potter" -- any suggestions? From Danemead at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:09:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5025 From: Danemead Subject: Percy Date: 7/24/00 11:09 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E Percy just has the "I Am My Job" Syndrome. At Hogwarts he was first and foremost "a prefect" and "Head Boy". If someone (say, the Spanish Inquisition, which no one expects) were to leap out from behind a Shrubbery and shout "WHO ARE YOU?" then this is my guess of startled response: Percy - I am Mr. Crouch's Assistant Harry - I am Harry Potter Ron - I am Harry Potter's best friend Hermione - I am a student Draco - I am Lucius Malfoy's son It's whatever you identify with the most, and usually (hopefully) changes as you mature. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:23:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:23:00 -0400 Subject: About the movie... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5026 From: angelx_ph Subject: About the movie... Date: 7/24/00 11:23 pm (ET) WARNING: Possible minor spoilers ahead: -- Personally, I'm starting to feel that picking Chris Columbus for the movie is a big mistake. I think Tim Burton or M. Night Shyamalan (the guy who did "The Sixth Sense") would do a better job with it. But then I'm holding further criticism until the film comes out. -- If half-Brit/half-Yank (though more Yank than Brit) Liam Aiken is cast as Harry, there would be a huge uproar of criticism particularly from the British press and a lot of "Harry Potter" fans who feel the ONLY way to go is an UNKNOWN BRITISH actor. I say give the kid a chance and hold all criticisms until you see the movie. (Remember, Anne Rice lambasted Neil Jordan for casting Tom Cruise in "Interview With The Vampire" but changed her mind after actually seeing the movie) -- For the role of Professor Trelawney, there's only one actress for the job: TRACEY ULLMAN -- In "The Goblet of Fire", Voldemort makes a reincarnation in the end. The actor to play him in the movie (I hope anyway): GARY OLDMAN. -- Who do you guys think should compose the "Harry Potter" theme for the movie version? I can only think of five people who are up to the challenge: a.) John Williams - If you heard his "Home Alone" score, you'd know why. b.) Danny Elfman - He is sure to capture the "dark" and "weird" mood of the wizarding world. c.) James Horner - He composed the score of "Titanic". Hands up anyone who wants to hear Celine Dion belt out a ballad during the closing credits (LOL). d.) Rachel Portman - One of the very few women film composers working in Hollywood today. (Her "Cider House Rules" score was beautiful). e.) Randy Newman - He composed the score to "James and the Giant Peach, in addition to "A Bug's Life" and the two "Toy Story" movies so I think he's up to the challenge. From oldhermionefan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:24:00 2000 From: oldhermionefan at yahoo.com (oldhermionefan) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: 2nd reading of GOF:A shock!(spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5027 From: oldhermionefan Subject: 2nd reading of GOF:A shock!(spoiler) Date: 7/24/00 11:24 pm (ET) Howdy HP fans! I haven't posted about my reading GOF yet, so let this be my first. I must(before talking about the 2nd time), confess how I allowed my own first reading to be spoiled! This was stupid and had me thinking that it wasn't as good as I now know it to be!! First of all, I started reading(not with an open mind)but with a mindset pursuaded that what I had read(an important character would die)was going to be true! In the Dallas paper there were essay contests asking what kids thought would happen(who would die)and this might surprise you...the majority thought Dumbledore would croak it! Second, I read some reviews and from one writer saying it wasn't a main character but someone who was a good student(he was called this early on) caused me to guess from the beginning it was Cedric!! Before that however I cheated! I looked at the last page to make sure my favorite character wasn't dead! Sometimes you read a review and learn too much, but is possible to read too little of a review. Here's the really silly part:An Austin review said this:something about a six word incantation that could make JKR the most hated woman in the world "and then Harry Potter woke up!" They went on to say she would never pen the words and undercut the fantasy and integrity of her narrative. Wouldn't pull a Wizard of oz movie:Dudley you were a mean boy named Draco... for instance. After all, Baum's Oz was a real place, just like Hogwarts. Unfortunately(and this happened sometime during the tri-wizard tourney that I read it)I stopped reading after the words in the review "and then Harry Potter woke up" and believed the author of the review was saying that a major portion of what took place in GOF(and perhaps the earlier books) was ONLY A DREAM! Crazy, but I had myself believing it! Remember a whole season of the show Dallas was a dream Pam Ewing had(dispicable) or the way Newhart ended by saying the entire Newhart series was a dream that Bob Hartley(from the Bob Newhart Show)had(this is one of my favorite comic moments in sitcom history<inspired and brilliant!> But this would be all wrong for Harry!!! So the rest of the book was read hurredly and inattentively(after all, if it was only a dream) doing great damage to my enjoyment of it. By the time I realized everything was real, it was too late. Done myself out of a good time!! I also allowed my self to be too bugged that it was not someone important dead, and only Cedric. So I immediately took the task of re-reading it and I can't describe how much better it was the second time!!! The shock I had second time through was that I actually cried for the "unimportant" Cedric!! It first got me when Harry talked of Cedric being willing to give up such an important triumph in Hufflepuff history, because Harry had helped him out! Then I realised it was not his fault that we didn't know him better. After all, JKR has concentrated on Slytherin and Gryffendor not Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw!!! So, the 2nd time I was saddened by what happened to Diggory and surprised that I was. A number of reviews have called this the best Potter yet, but as much as I enjoyed it over the first reading and it has tons of moments and scenes I love, for me it is just below my personal favorite(POA)by the width of a unicorn hair! My two cents. Take care y'all!! old hermione fan From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:30:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:30:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5028 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5023] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 11:30 pm (ET) I'm new here, so I don't know if anyone has mentioned Susan Cooper's "The Dark is Rising" series as a series of children's books similar to HP. It has probably already been suggested, but oh well. They are good books, and very similar to Harry Potter in the good vs. evil thing and the fantasy worlds. Just wanted to recommend them. From echomyst at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:47:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:47:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5029 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5028] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/24/00 11:47 pm (ET) "The Dark is Rising" series is great! I think they've made it into a movie too? Anyway, has anyone heard of Lloyd Alexander? "The Iron Ring" is a memorable one written by him, and I *think* his "The High King* has a series that's similar to the HP series. Emily From Scrimers99 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:49:00 2000 From: Scrimers99 at yahoo.com (Scrimers99) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors- Minor Spoiler, surprises! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5030 From: Scrimers99 Subject: Rumors- Minor Spoiler, surprises! Date: 7/24/00 11:49 pm (ET) Here are some rumors that i have dug up particularly at http://www.angelfire.com/nt/harrypotter/frumors.html M I N O R * * * S P O I L E R Book Five The fifth book, is "said" to be released on the 1st of July 2001. It is also rumoured that Fleur will become a Hogwarts teacher. Professor Lupin will make a return in this one! I gaze into my ball and see. We shall learn more about Lily Potter! Through all her hard work Hermione will be made into a Perfect.We all knew that a head of time didn't we? Book Six The title might be.... "Harry Potter and the Green Flame Torch". Supposedly Harry finds a torch which has a green flame which is supposed to heal good and kill evil. Insiders info: The term "green flame" came from a magic spell from the ancient Egyptian civilization. The "green flame" comes from Memphis, Egypt and it means, "I have not stolen food. Another note: The "magic spell" came from the Book of the Dead. Book Seven Snape might fall in love or redeemed. Ooo! And become a nice guy. Nahhhh!!!! Hermione will be come Head Girl. Knew that! Wow!Harry and Draco team up and fight an evil force. Interesting. Remember Rumors. Soooo... maybe some of your predictions are correct? odd factoid the last word of this book will be scar. Proven fact from Time Magazine One of Harry's fellow classmates will become a teacher! Not Ron, Harry or Hermione though. We are to know even more about Lily Potter. Magic cannot bring the dead back to life again. So we won't be able to see Harry's parents.Sigh Scrimers From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:50:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:50:00 -0400 Subject: Hello and help Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5031 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Hello and help Reply To: [Yahoo! #4980] Hello and help Date: 7/24/00 11:50 pm (ET) > Help and hello, in a space of a week, I've read four books. Ooh, I hope we get to welcome you to the world of addiction to reading! > I am now book less for a year and this I find disturbing. I cannot possibly wait a year if the rumour is to be true. You can try www.fanfiction.net Some of the stories are excellent (and some aren't). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:53:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: My own very wild theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5032 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: My own very wild theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #4992] Re: My own very wild theory Date: 7/24/00 11:53 pm (ET) > There is the triumviarate of Lily, James and Lord V. As far as I know, there has never been an explanation for how they all knew each other (at least in any detail). And what made Lord V so angry? So angry he became evil? Read book 2, The Chamber of Secrets. You will find that Voldemort went to Hogwart's MANY years before James and Lily did, and that what made him so angry that he became evil is his anger at his Muggle father who deserted his witch mother and him. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 03:58:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:58:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5033 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #4996] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/24/00 11:58 pm (ET) > Griffin or Gryffid - names associated with Irish or Welsh background? My mother's ancestors came from Ireland -- her maiden name was Griffin. Gryffith is a Welsh name, altho' I don't know why. An acquaintance with mundane name Ward Griffith III chose as his SCA name Gryffith ap Grifith ap Griffidd. I don't know if he's related at all to old-time filmmaker D.W. Griffith or to the Colonel Griffith who gave his estate to the City of Los Angeles (where it is now Griffith Park) in exchange for not being tried for shooting his wife. Meanwhile, the flag of Wales is a red dragon on a green (below the middle) and white (above the middle) background. I can't remember the heraldic definition of how to distinguish between dragon, griffin, and wyvern, and I can't remember whether the critter on the flag is called dragon or gryffin, but whichever it is called, it actually depicts a different one of the three (dragon, gryffin, wyvern). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:00:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: OK, What's a Pillock? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5034 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: OK, What's a Pillock? Reply To: [Yahoo! #4998] OK, What's a Pillock? Date: 7/25/00 12:00 am (ET) I did a whole bunch of Web searching, finding two on-line dictionaries that defined it as a stupid person, but not as contemptible as a git, and another that claimed the word originally meant 'penis'. Like schmuck or putz, I guess. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:02:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5035 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5029] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/25/00 12:02 am (ET) Lloyd Alexander: The Book of Three The Black Cauldron The Castle of Llyr Taran Wanderer The High King also known as the Chronicles of Prydain. The High King was Newberry Award winner for 1969 Taran, the assistant pig-keeper who wants to be a hero, the bard Fflewddur Fflam, Princess Eilonwy, and the pig Hen Wen (who is an oracle). This is a medieval story, derived from Welsh legend, with maybe a touch of Arthur. They are fun, and worth finding. Name -dropping: I've met Alexander; he came for a visiting author's speech here several years ago. Wonderful gentleman. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:05:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Godric's Hollow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5036 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Godric's Hollow Reply To: [Yahoo! #5033] Re: Godric's Hollow Date: 7/25/00 12:05 am (ET) >heraldic definition of how to distinguish between >dragon, griffin, and wyvern, Griffin, of course is head of eagle and body of lion Wyvern has no hind legs and tail forks or splits into two separate tails Dragon is pretty traditional four legs and wings and single-ended tail From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5037 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5014] Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/25/00 12:06 am (ET) Penny wrote: S P O I L E R S P A C E > He's more of a conformist though than any of his siblings. Is conforming to a bunch of old guys at the job (Percy) more conformist than conforming to a bunch of young guys at the fashionable dance club (Bill)? > Any bets on the status of his romance with Penelope? Is she still at Hogwarts? No mention of her in GoF. People discussing the origins of names on hpa quoted a source that 'Penelope' means 'weaver'. I don't know that that's true (Robert Graves said 'penelope' was a kind of duck), but it did remind me that the famous Penelope was Odysseus's faithful wife, who waited 20 years for him to return home, herself not taking any lover while he dallied with Circe and Calypso and all. Names being what they are in HP, maybe Penelope has that name because she has to wait for Percy. From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:09:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 Subject: Children's Books similar to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5038 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Children's Books similar to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #5035] Re: Children's Books similar to HP Date: 7/25/00 12:09 am (ET) <<also known as the Chronicles of Prydain>> Hmm...no prizes for guessing where THOSE books were set. Prydain is another name for Britain, as in the pre-Saxon Britain, where everyone had dark hair and dark eyes, and which got rather ravaged by some invading Teutons. King Arthur probably called it Prydain. The reason I know this is because I went to school about five miles from Camelot (okay, one of the Camelots, in South Cadbury, Somerset). << Fflewddur Fflam >> Shouldn't that be "Fflewddur Phlegm"? --John From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:10:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Neil Gaiman/Jo Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5039 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Neil Gaiman/Jo Rowling Date: 7/25/00 12:10 am (ET) The reason they wrote similar stories about similar boys (I had never heard of the Neil Gaiman on before it was mentioned on this e-mail-list; now I have to find it somewhere) is that they both based their 'fiction' on the same real-life story. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:18:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:18:00 -0400 Subject: Madeleine L'Engle's "Time Quartet" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5040 From: jenP_97 Subject: Madeleine L'Engle's "Time Quartet" Date: 7/25/00 12:18 am (ET) Hi. Just responding to the question "what's the fourth book" that I read oh... a million posts ago (actually, quite recent). The "lesser known" fourth book is titled _Many Waters_ (as someone posted, then recanted), and it's set between _A Wind in the Door_ and _A Swiftly Tilting Planet_. I hate to say it, but I think that this book is actually my favorite of the four now that I'm older. It's focused on Sandy and Dennys (the twins), so the person who loves MEG won't get much in the way of satisfaction on that count. However, I personally consider it to be the most well-written (close second: Planet), and the story is fabulous. Go read it. As an added bonus, the frontspiece of the book is a "family tree" of both the Murray-O'Keefes and the Austen families, outlining exactly which books contain appearances by which characters. LOVE THIS! Jen (hope this is helpful) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 04:51:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:51:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5041 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5024] Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 12:51 am (ET) Maybe you should discuss these GoF topics in http://www.egroups.com/messages/gobletoffire -- where I think most of them have already come up! >1. It was mentioned in Book 2 "The Chamber of Secrets" that Colin Creevey is Muggle born (his father was a milkman), so how is it so possible that he would have a brother who's also a wizard (it didn't happen for Lily)? If being a mage is genetic (which is a big IF) and it is a recessive gene (altho' probably it is really something far more complicated), then if two Muggle parents are both heterozygous, then each of their children will have a one in four chance of being double recessive, thus a mage. > 3. About those Muggle born wizards and witches who didn't know they were wizards until they received the letter from Hogwarts -- who talks to them, help them go shopping and help their parents understand and get over the initial shock in finding out the magical world? For shopping, I'm pretty sure that they only have to be given directions to the Leaky Cauldron and which businesses to patronize on Diagon Alley: once they arrive at the Leaky Cauldron and tell the barman that they're new students for Hogwart's, someone will lead them out back and tap the bricks with a wand for them. For talking the parents into letting their children go to a wizarding academy, someone (maybe just an alumnus who lives in the neighborhood) must make a personal visit and perhaps use spells of persuasion. And explain to the parents how magic can alter paper and computerized records as necessary, so during the school year, the gov't won't even know that child exists, but during holidays they'll have a fine record trail at the local comprehensive and their doctor's clinic... > 4. Will Gilderoy Lockhart make a return appearance in the future books? JKR said in an interview that Gilderoy Lockhart was in no condition to go out in public, and will remain for a long, long time in the medical clinic (where I suppose they are re-teaching him toilet training). > 6. Also in "GoF", Viktor Krum transfigured (though badly) himself into a shark -- how is that different from being Animagus? That's what I keep asking! > 8. I'm a literature major and I'll be starting to think of a topic for my thesis next term. It would be a little more enjoyable if I would do something in the lines of "Harry Potter" -- any suggestions? Explain a little: is the thesis topic a book about which you must write a thesis? In that case, why not one or four HP books? From aquilany at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 05:00:00 2000 From: aquilany at yahoo.com (aquilany) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: Sugetion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5042 From: aquilany Subject: Sugetion Date: 7/25/00 1:00 am (ET) I really think this is a great club. It would be a lot better if the founder added a club pic. From schlaggen at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 05:02:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:02:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5043 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5018] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 1:02 am (ET) It's short for "cup of" and is usually tea. From brooksindy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 05:08:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:08:00 -0400 Subject: Neil Gaiman/Jo Rowling Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5044 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman/Jo Rowling Reply To: [Yahoo! #5039] Neil Gaiman/Jo Rowling Date: 7/25/00 1:08 am (ET) To find _The Books of Magic_ by Gaiman, go to a comic book store and find/ask for the first one. Note that in one of the most recent issues of the comic, no longer written by Gaiman, there is a cameo by a Potter look-alike. Several complete story sets from the ongoing comic series are also collected in "The books of Magic: Subtitle" where the subtitle is the story arc covered in that volume. You need to find the first one, by Gaiman, though. Gaiman is an incredible author for grown-ups. Not for kids, clearly. The comic is very dark and has been from the beginning; much more so than Potter started out. Much of what is going on in the comic seems to have Tim Hunter continually fighting to do the right thing, even while many of the right decisions have an aura of impending doom, of inevitably having things going wrong despite the fact that Tim is trying to rescue friends, help the weak, etc. - kind of like the _The Empire Strikes back_ now that I think about it! From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 06:59:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:59:00 -0400 Subject: Top Ten List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5045 From: angelx_ph Subject: Top Ten List Date: 7/25/00 2:59 am (ET) I got this from David Letterman's site. It's their on-line Top Ten List Contest. Pretty funny stuff: Top Ten Least-Popular Harry Potter Books 10. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Victoria's Secrets 9. Harry Potter and the Undercooked Pork Chops 8. Harry Potter and the Botched Root Canal 7. Harry Potter and the Port Authority Men's Room 6. Harry Potter: My Secret Life with Burt Reynolds 5. Harry Potter and the Case of the Fiery Ford Pinto 4. Harry Potter and What's Really in New York Vendors' Hot Dogs 3. Harry Potter and the Friendly Uncle Who Liked to Give Long Hugs 2. Harry Potter and the 3 Hours of Community Service Spent Picking Up Litter Off the New Jersey Turnpike in Order to Work Off That Marijuana Possession Charge 1. Harry Potter Learns a Few Special Tricks from Siegfried and Roy Nope, I didn't write any of those. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 15:08:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:08:00 -0400 Subject: A Sirius Affair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5046 From: delwyn_march Subject: A Sirius Affair Reply To: [Yahoo! #4806] Philip Pullman Date: 7/25/00 11:08 am (ET) >And now we have to wait the third book in the trilogy in additon to HP5.... ....not to mention ch. 13 of PoU and ch. 3 of A Sirius Affair.... :) A Sirius Affair ?? I suppose it's fanfic, but where can I read it ? I've looked for it but couldn't find it ... Do From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 15:33:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:33:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5047 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5041] Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 11:33 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>> > 6. Also in "GoF", Viktor Krum transfigured (though badly) himself into a shark -- how is that different from being Animagus? That's what I keep asking! >>> Being an Animagus means that you can transform into another animal "at will." For instance, at the end of GoF, Dumbledore tells Sirius to change back into a man, and he does so instantly, without having to use a wand or a potion or anything. From what we've seen, all Animagi have this abilitiy. I'd imagine that Transfiguration requires a more complicated spell -- i.e. using a wand and magic words. Also, I'm guessing a counter-spell is needed to return the person/animal into their original form, whereas Animagi can do it at will and instantly. -- JoAnna From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 16:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:49:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5048 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Speaking of books Date: 7/25/00 12:49 pm (ET) Here's a link to buy "A Wrinkle in Time" for only two bucks! http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/34036971 From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 16:50:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: Speaking of books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! 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Dee From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 17:18:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: Domain Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5051 From: babynick34 Subject: Domain Names Date: 7/25/00 1:18 pm (ET) Hi all Someone is trying to sell www.harrypottertoys.co.uk for GPB2000. They are mad. Firstly, no one would pay GPB2000 for a domain name, would then. Secondly, any domain starting or containing the phrase 'harrypotter' is technically owned by Warner Bros - who are taking legal action against sites who have registered such domains. If you are interested in this sort of thing, then you can get details on the sale of harrypottertoys.co.uk at: http://dev.ebid.co.uk/cgi-bin/objects/auction.cgi?auction=962036490-52176-0&mo=a uction Nick. From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 18:09:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: A Sirius Affair Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5052 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: A Sirius Affair Reply To: [Yahoo! #5046] A Sirius Affair Date: 7/25/00 2:09 pm (ET) >>>A Sirius Affair ?? I suppose it's fanfic, but >>>where can I read it ? I've looked for it but >>>couldn't find it ... Its a prequel to Lori Summer's fanfic "paradigm of Uncertainty" You can find it at the following address... http://www.egroups.com/files/ParadigmOfUncertainty/A+Sirius+Affair/ you can also find all the chapters of Paradigm there as well...enjoy cj From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 18:13:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:13:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5053 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5025] Percy Date: 7/25/00 2:13 pm (ET) BTW, whatever became of Penelope? Did she have as much of Percy as she could take and beat it? From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 18:29:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5054 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5037] Re: Percy (SPOILER WARNING) Date: 7/25/00 2:29 pm (ET) MINOR SPOILER * * * * * << ... the famous Penelope was Odysseus's faithful wife, who waited 20 years for him to return home, herself not taking any lover while he dallied with Circe and Calypso and all. >> I've always liked the touch in the Kirk Douglas version of _Ulysses_ in which Circe looks like Penelope and the Sirens speak in Penelope's voice. << Names being what they are in HP, maybe Penelope has that name because she has to wait for Percy. >> I'm afraid I'd have a hard time equating Percy with Ulysses: Percy: I suppose we could get out of Polyphemus' cave by getting the cyclops drunk on wine and then putting out his eye... But that would require filling out all the appropriate Department of Magical Creatures forms in quintuplicate and getting Mr. Crouch's signature... From naraht at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 18:45:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:45:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5055 From: naraht Subject: Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5047] Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 2:45 pm (ET) So does that mean that McGongal is also an Animagus? She turns back to human very quickly in Chapter 1 of Book 1 after she has been watching the Dursleys... Randy From karob_7 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 19:21:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: Professor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5056 From: karob_7 Subject: Professor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #5055] Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 3:21 pm (ET) Yes, Professor McGonagall is an Animagus. On the first day of Transfiguration class in Harry's 3rd year (PoA) she gives a lecture on Animagi and then turns into a cat and back before the class. Of course, this is right after the 1st Divination class when Professor Trelawney sees the Grim in Harry's tea leaves, so the class doesn't take much notice. From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 19:46:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5057 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5055] Re: Random Questions (Minor Spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 3:46 pm (ET) >>So does that mean McGonagal is also an Animagus?<< Yes, she is, and unlike Sirius and Co, she is registered with the Ministry of Magic, which Hermione pointed out in Chapter 18 of PoA. " We did Animagi in class with Professor McGonagall. And I looked them up when I did my homework--the Ministry of Magic keeps tabs on witches and wizards who can become animals; there's a register showing what animal they become, and their markings and things...and I went and looked Professor McGonagall up on the register, and there have been only seven Animagi this century..." I hope I didn't just spoil a part of PoA... Trina From mundaniajs at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:08:00 2000 From: mundaniajs at yahoo.com (mundaniajs) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:08:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5058 From: mundaniajs Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5005] Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 4:08 pm (ET) This is rather late and my first posting in this club. As the books ARE British, it seems right that the English is also British (if that makes sense) Us English have to read your American English all the time. From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:38:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5059 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5058] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 4:38 pm (ET) Do you mind reading 'American' English? Do you think the British people do? Just curious, as an American... I agree, the English in HP should be 'British'. Thanks P.S. It seems like HP is being used by some British people to get their ill feelings out toward 'American' English. If they hate it so much, why don't they work on getting more 'British' English literature out there? From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:45:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5060 From: selah_1977 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Reply To: [Yahoo! #5058] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 4:45 pm (ET) As a rookie teacher (going into my second year this fall) I think I need some help with this one... Today while teaching I gave my class a 25-minute time block of SSR (sustained silent reading). One of my students was reading SS. When it came time for one-sentence feedback, she said, "I really like this book, but I can't understand most of what Hagrid is saying." Some of my other fifth graders had a little trouble with the dialect when we read SS during the regular school year. My question: what dialect is Hagrid speaking, specifically? (I have a bit of an idea for a mini-project where the kids map the factual places in SS, find out fun facts, etc.) Also, if there are any other teachers out there, how can I help my average and developmental readers get over this "accent" hurdle in the future? Long live Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:48:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:48:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5061 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect Reply To: [Yahoo! #5060] Hagrid's dialect Date: 7/25/00 4:48 pm (ET) Hi Ebony, I am not a teacher but the general feel I got from Hagrid is that he has a really think Scottish accent. I could be wrong, but that was my first reaction. Good luck with the kiddies! From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 20:52:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5062 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5059] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 4:52 pm (ET) >P.S. It seems like HP is being used by some >British people to get their ill feelings out >toward 'American' English. If they hate it so >much, why don't they work on getting >more 'British' English literature out there? Um... wait just a minute... I'm American as apple pie. I am both a teacher and a graduate student in English. The British canon TOWERS over the American canon. We are the new kids on the block, remember... our literature anthologies begin with Pilgrim journals, sermons, and letters circa 1650. The British canon opens with Beowulf, which is more than 1000 years older. And no one, but no one writes fantasy like British authors. From Lewis Carroll to JKR, the tradition of myth and folklore in Brit lit is simply outstanding. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were both British. Long live Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:01:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5063 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect Reply To: [Yahoo! #5061] Re: Hagrid's dialect Date: 7/25/00 6:01 pm (ET) It looks like a Cockney accent to me. I took a linguistics course this year (I am a foreign language major) and we studied spoken language and its portrayal in writing. But you don't have to take my word for it! ~Kaitlin From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:04:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:04:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect/US English Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5064 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect/US English Reply To: [Yahoo! #5060] Hagrid's dialect Date: 7/25/00 6:04 pm (ET) Hi Ebony aka AngieJ (which do you prefer?) Hagrid's accent is the cause of much debate, naturally. It could be Scottish, but quite a few think it's a West Country or perhaps Norfolk accent. The jury is still out on that one! I'm not a teacher either, but you could try a couple of things with your young charges: - translate Hagrid's words into regular English and get them to look at how JKR has changed some words to create an accent on the page. - it might help if you play them some passages from an audio recording of one of the books. Let them hear how Jim Dale (who reads the US versions of the HP series) gives the voice character. - get them to practice reading individual words and phrases phonetically and try to work out what they are. - get them to listen to each other and try to write sentences which reflect their own accents, using phonetic spelling. Okay, this might be something for the more advanced readers! *** Re: US vs UK English. I'd agree that English literature has a lot to offer, but there are great American writers too, and when I read their books, I like them to be in US English with all the US references. I remember reading Armistead Maupin's "Tales of the City" series and not knowing what 'Orios' were, for example, but it wasn't that hard to find out. I think the people to shout at here are the powers that be at Scholastic, not the discerning US members of this club (ref: someone who was getting a bit uppity earlier). Neil From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:05:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:05:00 -0400 Subject: About the movie... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5065 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: About the movie... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5026] About the movie... Date: 7/25/00 6:05 pm (ET) All I have to say is I do NOT want to see Haley Joel Osment in the role of Harry Potter. ~Kaitlin From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:25:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:25:00 -0400 Subject: Stephen King Review of GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5066 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5062] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 6:25 pm (ET) I think you misunderstood me, oh well. Sorry if I didn't explain myself. I wasn't putting down 'British' english at all. I was just wondering why they have ill feelings toward they way we talk or write. What do they care? So don't read American literature, what's the big deal? I agree that 'British' english is far older, and to me, that means it was the original way to talk and write. However, if it is so much older and it's the original translation, why is 'American' english more prominent? Just some thoughts I had. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:29:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:29:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5067 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect Reply To: [Yahoo! #5064] Re: Hagrid's dialect/US English Date: 7/25/00 6:29 pm (ET) I always thought West Country - i.e. Cornish or from somewhere in Devon. Maybe thats just me as my dear old (she'd kill me for saying that if she read it) mum is from the West Country, and things like Treacle Fudge and rock cakes seem v. Cornish to me - could as easlily be anywhere else though! And if it is Cornish, no wonder the kids are having difficulty reading it - you should try listening to it. I have no trouble but my "yankee" (he would also kill me if he caught me calling him that) hubby has a terrible time... From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:39:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5068 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect Reply To: [Yahoo! #5067] Re: Hagrid's dialect Date: 7/25/00 6:39 pm (ET) Well, having gone to school in the West Country (Devon and Somerset particularly), and since we have our UK home in Cornwall, I firmly believe that Hagrid has a West Country accent for the following reasons: 1) Both Jim Dale (US version) and Stephen Fry (UK version) use a West Country accent in their readings. Which leads me onto... 2) It fits perfectly. Furthermore... 3) JKR went to university at Exeter, in mid-Devon. As such, she'd have had many an opportunity to hear the accent. And it is such a luvverly accent, moy deeerrr. --John, the New Yorker with a British (but not usually West Country) accent. From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:46:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Subject: HP Geography (esp. attn. Ebony) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5069 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: HP Geography (esp. attn. Ebony) Date: 7/25/00 6:46 pm (ET) Hi Ebony (and everyone else), You were saying you were thinking about plotting geographical locations. Well...one of my mad theories (which is fairly well backed up) is that Hogwarts is in Scotland, not England. We see this in CoS, when the FFA (Flying Ford Anglia) is spotted by a man in Peebles. Peebles is pretty near the main road from Carlisle (the northwestern bit of England, and where the main West Coast motorway passes through) to Edinburgh (East Coast of Scotland). This road (if I remember correctly) is the A702. Since it would have to still be light for the man to see the car, we can safely assume that it's before 6 pm (or earlier) when the FFA is spotted. It takes 5 hours for the train from King's Cross to Edinburgh (believe me, I've taken it far too many times to get to St Andrews), so that would mean that the car would have been seen at, say, somewhere between 4 and 5 pm, allowing for the fact that the Hogwarts Express is a steam train and not an electric fast one. So...Hogwarts must therefore be a couple of hours north of Peebles, so an hour and a half or so north of Edinburgh. Anybody disagree? ::grins and gets out the asbestos flame suit:: --John From triner2001 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 22:49:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5070 From: triner2001 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/25/00 6:49 pm (ET) All righty, since no one else apparently wants to take the wand and summarize Chapter 3, I'll do it. Do we really need spoiler space??? W E L L A L I T T L E Chapter 3 "The Invitation" starts out with Harry going downstairs to breakfast, where we find out that ickle Dudleykins has been put on a strict diet by the Smeltings school nurse, seeing as how he has "become wider than he was tall." Naturally, Auntie P has put the entire household on the "rabbit food" plan as well and makes sure Harry always gets less to eat than Dudley. We also learn that Harry hasn't been follwing the diet, having sent Hedwig on a food recon mission to all his friends, who have kept him supplied with cakes and other edibles throughout the summer. The mailman rings the doorbell to hand deliver a stamp covered letter to Uncle Vernon. It's from Molly Weasley, asking the Dursleys' permission for Harry to join them for the Quidditch World Cup and she hopes she used enough stamps. Uncle Vernon has a brief internal struggle: to let Harry go and get him out of his hair for the last two weeks, or say No just to make Harry miserable, which is a popular pastime in this household. He asks Harry just who this woman is and what does she mean "send us your answer in the normal way?" Harry answers him using the W-word (wizard), thereby angering Unkie. But Harry invokes the Magic words "I want to finish a letter to Sirius, my godfather" which puts the fear of repercussion by escaped murderer (Harry has forgotten to tell them he is an innocent man)in Uncle Vernon and gives permission. Harry goes back to his room to find mail from Ron, saying if the Muggles say 'yes' we'll be there Sunday at five and if the Muggles say 'no' we'll be there Sunday at five. Harry responds to Ron, sends off his letter to Sirius, and settles down to a decent breakfast of cake instead of grapefruit. It is in this chapter I think we see a change of attitude in Harry's behavior towards the Dursley's ("Gone were the days when he had been forced to take every single one of the Dursleys' stupid rules"). He no longer obeys them and even refers to them as Muggles in his response to Ron. I think the past three years of learning his true birthright and being liked for who he is has given him a self-possession that wasn't ther before. And having an escaped murderer for a godfather is an excellent weapon of terror to use against the Dursleys. Discuss! Trina From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 23:47:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:47:00 -0400 Subject: British/American English (was SK rvw Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5071 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: British/American English (was SK rvw Reply To: [Yahoo! #5066] Re: Stephen King Review of GoF Date: 7/25/00 7:47 pm (ET) > I agree that 'British' english is far older, and to me, that means it was the original way to talk and write. Presumably all the different dialects of British English have continued to evolve since 1607 (founding of Jamestown colony), altho' some evolve very slowly. I have read that both London dialect and 'received pronunciation' are more different from Shakespeare's dialect than is General American. > However, if it is so much older and it's the original translation, why is 'American' english more prominent? Because USA has bigger population and exports more movies, TV, records, etc. Some people like to mouth off about 'yankee know-how' and 'American leadership in technology', but now it seems the only thing we are the clear leader in is pop culture. I once read an essay suggesting that the reason that American entertainment products are popular in so many different cultures is that American culture, from which the entertainment products originated, is made of pieces from all different cultures. The essayist said: West Africa had great musical traditions for a long time, but they never spread out of West Africa until they were taken to America, who sent them out to the world in the form of jazz and rock. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 00:17:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5072 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Reply To: [Yahoo! #5070] Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/25/00 8:17 pm (ET) Thanks to all who replied to my message about Hagrid's dialect. More on that in a minute... W E L L A L I T T L E >It is in this chapter I think we see a change of >attitude in Harry's behavior towards the >Dursley's ("Gone were the days when he had been >forced to take every single one of the Dursleys' >stupid rules"). He no longer obeys them and even >refers to them as Muggles in his response to >Ron. I think the past three years of learning >his true birthright and being liked for who he >is has given him a self-possession that wasn't >ther before. And having an escaped murderer for >a godfather is an excellent weapon of terror to >use against the Dursleys. I think your assertion is absolutely right, Trina. The one difference that struck me first between GoF and the other books was Harry's evolving personality. In SS, he was such a wet-behind-the-ears kid. Then in CoS and PoA, he had more confidence, but still seem to look to others for acceptance, approval, and definition. I know this book is the turning point of the series as far as plot is concerned, but I also believe it's a turning point in Harry's life. He may be a wizard-in-training, but he's still a teenager. Even if the Dursleys weren't so Dursleyish, he'd probably challenge their authority. I would say more, but we're only on Chapter Three. :) Long live Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony (my first name) AKA AngieJ (a handle I like to use in HP-dom) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 00:27:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:27:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5073 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/25/00 8:27 pm (ET) Hi: Trina -- thanks for jumping in with Chapter 3 -- I was beginning to wonder if we had no takers. We've had a few volunteers for the next few chapters so: Chapter 4 -- ravenclawlady (aka Melanie) Chapter 5 -- flying_ford_anglia (aka Neil) Chapter 6 -- joywitch999 Let's see, that means there are 31 chapters left. Any volunteers for some of the next few after Ch 6? Should whoever is doing the chapter summary also kick off the character discussion for that week? We've already started on Percy, so you're off the hook Trina. But, how about Melanie -- discuss Ginny Neil -- discuss Fred/George Then, we'll leave the Weasleys for a bit and move on to some of the other characters. Sound ok? Suggestions for who to discuss once we leave the Weasleys? I was thinking we could move on to some of the professors or the ghosts. Or, the Dursleys? It seems to me that, as far as the major characters are concerned, we should do reverse order of: Harry, Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore, Tom Riddle/Lord Voldemort, Sirius, Hagrid, Snape, Lupin, Neville, James & Lily Potter (obviously more conjecture than fact when we discuss them I suppose). Am I forgetting another major character? I feel as though I am somehow. Suggestions for "minor" characters that we want to be sure & discuss? Let me know. I'll just keep a running tab by my computer. Penny From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 00:35:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:35:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5074 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5073] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/25/00 8:35 pm (ET) Hi Penny, The characters that come to my mind are Professors McGonagall and Trelawney and Moody. Margaret From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 00:43:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5075 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #4964] Question Date: 7/25/00 8:43 pm (ET) I have read (I don't remember where) that only book 7 will be longer than 4. So I'm afraid we may have to settle for shorter reads on 5 and 6. Oh no! Margaret From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 00:51:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:51:00 -0400 Subject: Hagrid's dialect (and some US/UK) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5076 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Hagrid's dialect (and some US/UK) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5063] Re: Hagrid's dialect Date: 7/25/00 8:51 pm (ET) Thanks to all who replied! Especially for the suggestions. I told another interested student that I thought Hagrid's accent was Cockney, but that I'd check online. Theatre background working for me there... that's what it looked like on paper, at least, to this foreigner. :) Speaking of British accents, today we had a mock debate in Social Studies in which we re-enacted our version of the Second Continental Congress. The question of the hour was, "Should the American Colonies declare their independence from Great Britain?" There were "representatives" from each of the thirteen colonies, and from the Crown. Anyway, each student had a colonial era personality to research. Some of the kids tried doing generic British and Southern US accents... now I see *exactly* why there's no way we can cast American kids in the upcoming movie, bless their hearts. Having said all that, IAmMattsGirl, please don't think that I am not proud of being American. I am. I've crossed swords with America-bashers online and real life. America bashing seems to be en vogue the world over... sort of like the way everyone hatea the prom queen and the handsome jock. It's just that I respect and treasure the value in every culture. As a bibliophile, after reading books about my own heritage and experience, I happen to love reading literature from and about England best. Even the American authors I like best tend to include dynamic English/Scottish/Irish characters in their writing, or are writing about a particular period in British history. Just a stubborn personal preference, I think. Long live Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 01:04:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:04:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5077 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5073] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/25/00 9:04 pm (ET) Penny wrote: <<Am I forgetting another major character? I feel as though I am somehow.>> Yes, all the Dursleys and Draco (and his father, who is more a major than minor character) and Fudge. Have you got a mental block against the bad guys? From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 01:11:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:11:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 comment Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5078 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Chapter 3 comment Reply To: [Yahoo! #5070] Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/25/00 9:11 pm (ET) A L I T T L E b i t o f s p o i l e r i n m y p o s t <<He no longer obeys them and even refers to them as Muggles in his response to Ron.>> Which gets me wondering- do all wizards who go home to muggle families over the summer think of their families as "those silly muggles" or do those who are surrounded by love and caring (as Hermione's parents seem to) think their families are "those silly idiots"? I seem to remember that when we were teenagers, a lot of my friends (and even, occasionally, me, despite the terriffic relationship I've always had with my parents) thought their families were just the dorkiest, the most clueless, the most uncaring - would it just naturally be even more pronounced in a household with one teenaged wizard? I guess this tags onto the Would Harry Be Rebelling Against the Dursleys Even Without Having Magic? and I think the answer would be, just a little bit, yes. And if Dudley knew what was good for him, he'd ask his parents for another bike & sneak off to the candy shop (but probably wouldn't fit on the bike in the first place) From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 02:04:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5079 From: sarvalsha Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 10:04 pm (ET) I l o v e R e m u s L u p i n I realize we are now on Chapter 3 but there are two things I haven't been able to get off my mind; one each from the previous two chapters. The first one has more to do with the readers than the book itself. For some reason I'm really intrigued by the fact that people read the first chapter and thought the boy seen near the Riddle house was someone other than Tom Riddle jr. I just don't get it. We know who the victims are, we know that Tom Riddle hated his father with a passion, we know he fits the age and description. Why would anyone think of someone else? So I'd be interested to hear from the people who did. And whether you've given up the idea yet. (Just a reminder that Moody/Crouch jr. said later that one of the things he and Voldemort shared was the great joy of killing their own fathers.) The second thing has to do with Sirius being the person that came to Harry's mind when he was trying to think of an adult whom he could confide in like a parent. I know that Sirius is his godfather and was his father's best friend. But he's also the guy who played a potentially fatal joke on Snape. It's not that I actually object (I loathe Snape) but it was hardly the sign of a kind and generous person. More importantly this is the guy who was willing to go over, under, or through the person he was supposed to be protecting to get to the person he was supposed to be protecting him from. And he had to be forcibly restrained from Pettigrew after that. If it'd been me, the first person who would have come to mind would have been someone who 1) I knew better; 2) had already been confiding in; 3) obviously also cared for me; 4) kept his head in a crisis. Of course he does have that one little flaw that shows up every month but I still would have gone to Lupin. I have to admit that I was not a big Sirius fan at the end of 3 and, although I do like him better now, I still prefer Lupin. Of course I'm not Harry and neither am I creator of this universe. Just wondering if anyone else had thought the same thing. Margaret P.S. to Penny: I'm sure they're on your mental list but since they weren't actually listed, please don't forget the rest of the Weasleys: Arthur and Molly From shellymoos at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 02:08:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts Location Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5080 From: shellymoos Subject: Hogwarts Location Date: 7/25/00 10:08 pm (ET) Hi all> I was rereading CoS the other day and I have to agree that I seem to think that Hogwarts is in Scotland also. The talk of the mountains, which I am sure there are some in England but I was thinking of the Highlands and the lake, but what really made me think of it was the description of Nearly Headless Nick's Deathday Party. The described some of the rotten food as haggis. I cant see how anyone but the Scots who have grown up with that would want to eat. And yes I have tried it but trust me it wasn't for me. Also I have a question and this may be stupid but I was just thinking. Arthur Weasley got in troubled about the flying car. I know mainly because the boys were flying it in daylight, but I think also because it is a Muggle thing. What about the motorcycle that Sirius has that he loaned and then gave to Hagrid to bring Harry to the Dursley's. Any idea how he would have gotten it? Just some thoughts. Later Shelly From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 02:25:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts Location Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5081 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Hogwarts Location Reply To: [Yahoo! #5080] Hogwarts Location Date: 7/25/00 10:25 pm (ET) << What about the motorcycle that Sirius has that he loaned and then gave to Hagrid to bring Harry to the Dursleys>> I read an excellent fanfic about this on Fanfiction.net. Do a search under "CLS", and read the "Black Shadow" stories, which focus on Sirius. The same author has also written some Remus stuff as well. --John From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 03:06:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5082 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Reply To: [Yahoo! #5070] Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/25/00 11:06 pm (ET) S p o i l e r s p a c e d o t d o t d o t <<Chapter 3 "The Invitation" starts out with Harry going downstairs to breakfast, where we find out that ickle Dudleykins has been put on a strict diet by the Smeltings school nurse, seeing as how he has "become wider than he was tall." Naturally, Auntie P has put the entire household on the "rabbit food" plan as well and makes sure Harry always gets less to eat than Dudley.>> This was brought up a little while ago - I think it was here, and I think it deserves more discussion - I remember reading the post, and reacting, but never typing in my reaction... Somebody (forgive me - I can't remember who) said that they thought that JKR had some kind of a prejudice against larger people - having made Dudley (a bad character) and moaning Myrtle (an "ikcy" character) fat. As a "larger" person (and I'm being nice to myself here) the thought never crossed my mind. Personally - I don't see a prejudice, and I'm interested to hear input from others on this subject - although I for one would prefer not to hear any personal views on which looks better... I just don't think its a prejudice - I think with Dudley, especially in book four - he gets put on a diet, despite his parents "Oh it's just puppy fat" - its kind of a come uppance for Harry - to see darling Dudders deprived for the first time in his life brings comic relief to the scene - especially after the tense opening. I don't think its meant to poke fun at larger people, just incredibly greedy, uncaring, unsharing people, like the Dursleys. From echomyst at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 03:12:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:12:00 -0400 Subject: Library catalogue of HP books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5083 From: echomyst Subject: Library catalogue of HP books Date: 7/25/00 11:12 pm (ET) A few days ago, someone posted that it's frustrating how the HP books are all over the library--some in the children's section, some in adult's. The truth is, unless one reserves the books on the library's online catalogue system, one won't even be able to catch a glimpse of the books at the library! (well, at least that's the case here in Toronto) What is it like in other cities? Emily =) From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 03:15:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5084 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Reply To: [Yahoo! #5082] Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/25/00 11:15 pm (ET) S p o i l e r s p a c e >>>Somebody (forgive me - I can't remember who) said that they thought that JKR had some kind of a prejudice against larger people....I don't think its meant to poke fun at larger people, just incredibly greedy, uncaring, unsharing people, like the Dursleys. I would tend to agree with this. After all, the Dursleys are so disgusting because they are greedy, selfish pigs, but not all of them are fat -- Petunia Dursley is thin, but JKR describes as just as contemptible-looking as her husband and kid. And Molly Weasley, who clearly is NOT thin, is always described in a very positive way. And Harry gets annoyed at Vernon Dursley for calling Molly Weasley fat. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 03:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5085 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5079] Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers) Date: 7/25/00 11:31 pm (ET) Hi: Well, here's my spoiler warning & spoiler space for those who still need it. La dee da dee da. S P O I L E R S P A C E Okay -- <<<I'm really intrigued by the fact that people read the first chapter and thought the boy seen near the Riddle house was someone other than Tom Riddle jr. I just don't get it. We know who the victims are, we know that Tom Riddle hated his father with a passion, we know he fits the age and description. Why would anyone think of someone else? So I'd be interested to hear from the people who did.>>> For me, it was a very fleeting thought that it might be Harry -- just the part where the dark-haired teenage boy is first mentioned, I thought, "Harry??" Then, of course, you learn more about it all, and within seconds, I was thinking, "No. Definitely Tom Riddle Jr." Like you, I can't imagine anyone *still* entertaining the notion that the kid was anyone other than Tom Riddle Jr. <<< Long objections to Sirius being the person Harry should have turned to>>>>>> Well, I should state my bias up front: I'm a huge Sirius fan!!! (Yes, Carole (cj_bsm) and I are writing a fanfic that features Sirius prominently so . . . there you go!). Now, of course, I *love* Remus too! But, the basic point about not going to Remus is that I don't think Lupin really left the door open for Harry to contact him. He said something like "I've enjoyed teaching you; sorry we have to part, but I'm sure we'll meet again." It was Sirius who said "Let me know if ever you need me. Your owl will find me." And, he'd been in touch with Sirius several times over the summer. Sirius sent him a birthday cake. Remus was a close friend of James Potter as well, but Sirius was his *best* friend. And, Sirius is Harry's godfather. He seems to have taken the initiative to keep in touch with Harry, whereas Remus did not. The "near fatal" trick Sirius played on Snape -- something tells me we don't know the whole story on that yet. And, I don't think the scuffle in the Shrieking Shack is an indication that Sirius ever intended to hurt Harry, even to get to Pettigrew. He was trying to restrain him, keep him (Harry) from hurting Sirius to the point where Pettigrew could escape, etc. I think if you read that scene in PoA carefully, it's clear to me anyway that Sirius was not trying to hurt Harry. I sort of think he was trying to "neutralize" him and keep Pettigrew from escaping again at the same time. Before that fight ever happened, Sirius shows concern for Ron's leg. <<And he had to be forcibly restrained from Pettigrew after that.>>> Well, if you'd spent 12 yrs in Azkaban for crimes you didn't commit, you'd be a bit short tempered too. <g> He's hot-tempered .... but that's just part of his personality, and I like him alot! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 03:35:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: Location of Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5086 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Location of Hogwarts Date: 7/25/00 11:35 pm (ET) Hi: Nick & I & others on hpanonymous spent a fair bit of time trying to discern the location of Hogwarts. Nick went the distance . . . looked up latitude & longitude & sunset times on Sept 1st and on June 6th (big events in PoA). We concluded it was in Scotland, and like you, a bit north of Edinburgh, perhaps in the Aberdeen vicinity. We missed the CoS clue about the muggle spotting the car (or I did anyway) .... glad to know our analysis is supported by yet another fact. <g> Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 04:10:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:10:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5087 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5075] Re: Question Date: 7/26/00 12:10 am (ET) Reasons Why The English Language Is Hard To Learn: 1) The bandage was wound around the wound. 2) The farm was used to produce produce. 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. 8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. 10) I did not object to the object. 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. 13) They were too close to the door to close it. 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail. 18) After a number of injections my jaw got number. 19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear. 20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. 21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend? From s_ings at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 04:14:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:14:00 -0400 Subject: Library catalogue of HP books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5088 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Library catalogue of HP books Reply To: [Yahoo! #5083] Library catalogue of HP books Date: 7/26/00 12:14 am (ET) Emily, Ottawa libraries are pretty much the same - you'll be waiting until all 7 are published before you get a glimpse of the first ones. I finally got my daughter hooked on HP (she's 17 this weekend) - I believe "friggin' awesome" was the exact response. She's only read the first, as we don't own any of them ourselves (a fact which I intend to remedy ASAP, since Mom has lent us some money). She stopped at the nearest branch of the library to check out the waiting list for the second book - 34 (each getting it for 3 weeks). For curiosity's sake, she asked about book 4 - 85 people waiting and the library hasn't even received it's copy yet! Just reinforces my need to buy us our own copies (though we can't afford more than the first 3 at present - soon though, I hope). I had to give my nephew his GoF last week - before I got finished my re-read! Oh, well, guess I'll be visiting often! Sheryll From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 04:49:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5089 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5073] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 12:49 am (ET) >Let's see, that means there are 31 chapters left. Any volunteers for some of the next few after Ch 6? I volunteer to do Chapter 22: The Unexpected Task... There's so much in that chapter I can identitfy with! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 06:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:01:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5090 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5073] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 2:01 am (ET) Penny - I accept the Ch. 5/Weasley twins task with a <vbg>. <<Then, we'll leave the Weasleys for a bit and move on to some of the other characters. Sound ok?>> How about Arthur and Molly - are they major or minor? I'd suggest discussing Arthur some time between Chs. 6-8, because he features quite a bit. Molly, perhaps later, when she turns up at the school? Neil From smitster1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 08:00:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:00:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5091 From: smitster1 Subject: Yahoo! Date: 7/26/00 4:00 am (ET) I'm probably the only one that feels this, but I find the lack of a search tool in our little Yahoo! club to be a hugh irritation. Now that we're getting back into actual discussions, finding key messages to pull ideas from is--well--NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. I've sent Yahoo! a suggestion for this feature. Who knows, perhaps 5k of messages will make a point. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 09:07:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:07:00 -0400 Subject: Hogwarts Location Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5092 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Hogwarts Location Reply To: [Yahoo! #5080] Hogwarts Location Date: 7/26/00 5:07 am (ET) Scotland is a very probable location. Either on here or Harrypotteranomymous we have discussed this issue and looked at sunset times, travel times etc, and have concluded it's somewhere between Edinburgh and Aberdeen or may be even further north towards Inverness. However... did you notice that the Hogwarts Express tour went to Edinburgh, and then to Perth. It did not go as far as Aberdeen. Therefore, Hogwarts may be set somewhere near Perth. Just a thought. Nick. From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 12:02:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:02:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5093 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5087] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 8:02 am (ET) Salut ! Are you trying to drive me MAD ?! I've been reading all the messages about US and UK English, and wondering why you even cared to talk about that. I mean, French (I'm French, from France) is a language that is talked all over the world, like English, but every country speaks it its own way and nobody finds anything to say about it. Actually I even find that cool, funny and really interesting. I've talked with people from Belgium or Quebec, and I just love their accent and their different grammar and vocabulary : it enriches my vision of my own language and helps me strenghten my personal grasp on it. So my personal advice is : just enjoy your differences ! And please, *please*, PLEASE, never post another message like the one I'm answering to before first warning the quite-able-to-express-themselves-in-English-but-not-really-bilingual-people like me ( er... am I the only one ? ) to go and get 3 or 4 aspirins ready at hand ! <vbg> No, seriously, I really loved it : intellectually testing (for me at least) *and* fun to read (out loud is even better, because I keep getting lost in the way I'm supposed to pronounce words. Ah, phonetics ! ), just what I like ! Allez, ' plus ! Doriane ( the French who usually thinks she's good enough at English to talk with you all guys, but sometimes feels like she's over-estimated herself ) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 12:07:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:07:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5094 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5089] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 8:07 am (ET) >Let's see, that means there are 31 chapters left. Any volunteers for some of the next few after Ch 6? I'd love to sumamrize a chapter! Penny, you could just go ahead and "assign" me one. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 13:00:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5095 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Yahoo! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5091] Yahoo! Date: 7/26/00 9:00 am (ET) <<I'm probably the only one that feels this, but I find the lack of a search tool in our little Yahoo! club to be a hugh irritation. >> No, you're not the only one! I sent Yahoo the same suggestion a while back and they seem quite keen on customer suggestions. You never know...! Neil From sage016 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 13:18:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:18:00 -0400 Subject: Library catalogue (for sheryll) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5096 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Library catalogue (for sheryll) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5088] Re: Library catalogue of HP books Date: 7/26/00 9:18 am (ET) hi. just thought i would tell you about half.com. Im not sure if ALL of the harry potter books are on it cuz i havent looked. Anyway, its a place you can buy books, music, video games and movies and the most you will pay is half price. the stuff is all used, but alot of the condition is "like new". I sell stuff on there, and most of mine is in the "like new" or "very good" condition. so maybe you can buy all 4 after all ;) -kristen- From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 13:21:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5097 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5093] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 9:21 am (ET) Doriane, I am sorry if my humor confused you a bit. Even I had to read them outloud to get the humor! Don't feel bad! (Got A's in English all through high school, and college. Speaking of college. Tonight is my Statistics exam, and tomorrow morning is my Business Admininstration, bringing to a close 76 credits hours worth of education. Now I have to find a job! Dee From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 13:45:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5098 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5087] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 9:45 am (ET) Thanks Dee! My head was spinning on some of those brain twisters and I'm a native Englishman! No wonder America simplified the spellings of some words. The rules of British English are quirky, to say the least. I've created one more entry for the list, with even more variations: 'We've been through enough paperwork on the trough under the bough,' said the Borough Council worker, before picking up his dough. Apologies to Doriane and anyone else with a headache! Neil From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 14:04:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5099 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5098] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 10:04 am (ET) Here's another one, as seen in a newspaper headline: "Police police police practices" ~Kaitlin From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 14:12:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:12:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5100 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Reply To: [Yahoo! #5082] Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/26/00 10:12 am (ET) >>I don't think it's mant to poke fun at larger people, just incredibly greedy, uncaring, unsharing people, like the Dursleys<< I think you're right. It helps to illustrate the notion that the Durseleys have always been the "haves" in the household while Harry has always been the lone "have not". Dudley has all the new clothes, toys, and food and Harry is left with what is leftover or handed down, albeit grudgingly . Trina From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 15:02:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Random Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5101 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Random Questions Date: 7/26/00 11:02 am (ET) Hi: <<<Being an Animagus means that you can transform into another animal "at will." For instance, at the end of GoF, Dumbledore tells Sirius to change back into a man, and he does so instantly, without having to use a wand or a potion or anything. From what we've seen, all Animagi have this abilitiy. I'd imagine that Transfiguration requires a more complicated spell -- i.e. using a wand and magic words. Also, I'm guessing a counter-spell is needed to return the person/animal into their original form, whereas Animagi can do it at will and instantly.>>> I really really liked this explanation -- it makes perfect sense. Thanks JoAnna!!! Penny From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 15:34:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:34:00 -0400 Subject: British/American English (was SK rvw Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5102 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Re: British/American English (was SK rvw Reply To: [Yahoo! #5071] Re: British/American English (was SK rvw Date: 7/26/00 11:34 am (ET) <<Some people like to mouth off about 'yankee know-how' and 'American leadership in technology', but now it seems the only thing we are the clear leader in is pop culture.>> I totally agree. It makes me sick. :) <<I once read an essay suggesting that the reason that American entertainment products are popular in so many different cultures is that American culture, from which the entertainment products originated, is made of pieces from all different cultures.>> Right, and I dig that. I like the whole 'melting-pot' theory. I just hate the pop-culture. It can get quite annoying. From free_falling_jello at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 15:36:00 2000 From: free_falling_jello at yahoo.com (free_falling_jello) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5103 From: free_falling_jello Subject: Re: Yahoo! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5095] Re: Yahoo! Date: 7/26/00 11:36 am (ET) Hey, everyone... My first message in this club, looking forward to discussing this series with you. I read that English language thingummy, and I even have a headache! And I am American... heh. Well, about the search engine for this club. Maybe if we all sent an email to Yahoo pertaining to that subject... Maybe they'd take a hint and do something for us? Just a suggestion, no big deal. I agree, though, it is practically a necessity with that large amount of messages being held. Amber From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:09:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: Hey was I removed? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5104 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Hey was I removed? Date: 7/26/00 12:09 pm (ET) I think that for some reason I was removed from the club if this is true, I would like to know why. I have renounced the ways of Slytherin and all who dwell with in those walls. I have been resorted to Ravenclaw-- there was a mistake! Anyway let me know Jess From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:22:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5105 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 12:22 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Have you got a mental block against the bad guys?>>> Yes, apparently since I also forgot Pettigrew. And, to be honest, it wasn't until right before I hit post that I remembered Lord Voldemort. Good grief! I have added the Malfoys, Fudge, McGonagall & Trelawney to the more "major" characters list (along with Pettigrew). Others? Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:29:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: Arrival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5106 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Arrival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5105] Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 12:29 pm (ET) It's arrived, just in the middle of my exams, argh!!!! I have a copy of CoS sitting on my lap, and I feel guilty for even opening the package 'cause I have to study! (Exam at 5:30 today!) Groans....... Once I open it, I will not sleep, I will not eat, (Oh, god, I am in love?) until I get both it and three done! Grins..... Dee From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:37:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:37:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5107 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Character Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5105] Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 12:37 pm (ET) I think we should also discuss some of the other minor characters, like the Flitwick, Binns, Nearly Headless Nick, Myrtle, Filch, Mrs. Figg, Mr. Ollivander, Cedric Diggory, the Creevy brothers, Dobby, Winky and also some of the new characters from GoF like Crouch (both of them), Bagman, Moody. In fact, just about anybody, after all, we have about 49 weeks to kill! From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:38:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5108 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5098] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 12:38 pm (ET) What I always wondered is... How come we chop a tree down, then we chop it up? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:41:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5109 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 3 Date: 7/26/00 12:41 pm (ET) Hi: Decided I should add my own thoughts to Chapter 3 RE: whether JKR has some prejudice against heavier people. I don't really think so, since, as someone else said, Mrs. Weasley is a good kind person who happens to be carrying around a few more pounds than she needs. But, my husband does think JKR has some weird obsession with food so maybe it extends to weight as well. <g> I thought the Dudley on a diet bit was all rather humorous. I thought this chapter was largely quite funny. Harry has definitely come into some self-confidence, and so I found this brief glimpse of the Dursleys in GoF to be really amusing more than anything. In the past, I've always reacted rather indignantly at their treatment of Harry. But, I think Harry is holding his own more & more. I *loved* that he was using Sirius as a "stick" to get more fair treatment (or what he wants)! Penny From salter15 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:54:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Question about language, humor Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5110 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Question about language, humor Reply To: [Yahoo! #5108] Re: Question about language, humor Date: 7/26/00 12:54 pm (ET) What about this? Why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway? Just wondering. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 16:54:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:54:00 -0400 Subject: Onion article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5111 From: joywitch999 Subject: Onion article Date: 7/26/00 12:54 pm (ET) This weeks issue of The Onion (a satirical newspaper which is about the funniest thing I have ever seen) has an funny article about Harry Potter luring children to satanism. <www.theonion.com>. Also (I apologize if I have mentioned this already) this weeks issue of the New Yorker magazine has an interesting article about the HP phenomenum. From badgerskin at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 17:09:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Finally got accepted Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5112 From: badgerskin Subject: Finally got accepted Date: 7/26/00 1:09 pm (ET) It took me several tries before being accepted into this club - very rigorous standards, indeed - not to mention technical difficulties. Thanks to Penny for the encouragement to keep trying! I've read the posts back a few days and havn't seen any reference to this, and I really need to share this - S P O I L E R A L E R T ! ! THE PROBLEM IS THIS (OOPS, caps lock off) - the problem of Voldemort's victims exiting his wand in reverse order and all. Of course, they didn't come out in reverse order,based on what we thought we KNEW, did they!?!? This is either the biggest hint that something HAS TO HAPPEN to fix this, or JKR simply made a HUGE mistake - which I really refuse to believe. Perhaps all have staed their opinions on this, and I'm too late to dinner. If it's not too terribly bothersome, can we rehash it for my benefit? Badgerskin From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 17:26:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5113 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5109] Chapter 3 Date: 7/26/00 1:26 pm (ET) still doing spoiler spaces? Well.... I guess this isn't really a spoiler - it's re: the weight issue... My thoughts on the issue (as someone who is um... above their "recommended" ideal weight... hehehe) is that JKR isn't being prejudiced, but it *almost* sounds as if at some point in her life, she had a problem with weight (obviously not anymore, by the pictures). Similarly, I agree with Penny's husband in that she has some sort of love-affair with food - which I think could probably be said about many people. :) Here's a food related question... how is it that the students can eat so much food (even when it's not "feast" time, there's TONS of food on the house tables...) without becoming um... Dudleyesque in stature? Is it magic food? Does it automatically sense how many calories you need for that meal, then just zap away the excess? I mean, sure, the students climb a lot of staircases, but they don't have phys. ed. - and their only sport is played on broomstick. Just curious as to what you guys think about this - I mean, I know it won't ever be directly answered in the books. ;) Jen (who got into a fight with her husband yesterday because he accused her of eating a granola bar when she didn't - can you tell she's a little food-stressed?) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 17:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hey was I removed? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5114 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Hey was I removed? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5104] Hey was I removed? Date: 7/26/00 1:28 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I think that for some reason I was removed from the club if this is true, I would like to know why. I have renounced the ways of Slytherin and all>>> Yikes -- why do you think you've been removed? I've removed no one!!! Let me know what the problem is if you would. Yahoo has been behaving strangely again today .... perhaps that's it? Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 17:50:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5115 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Character Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5107] Re: Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 1:50 pm (ET) Hi: I've added the minor characters suggested by Joywitch, and believe it or not, we have *exactly* enough to correspond with the 37 chapters. How cool is that?! Here's the latest: Ch 4 --- Ginny Weasley -- Melanie Ch 5 -- Fred & George -- Neil Ch 6 -- Arthur Weasley -- Joywitch Ch 7 -- Mrs. Figg/Crookshanks/Hedwig -- Voicelady Ch 8 -- Bagman -- Jen P Ch 9 -- Filch/Mrs. Norris -- Heidi Ch 18 -- Ollivander -- Ebony Ch 22 -- Trelawney -- Davehoz Feel free to volunteer for specific chapters if you want dibs. These are the ones taken so far. Oh, -- Because Ch 32 corresponds with Sirius (and I happen to know she's a huge fan), I'm volunteering Carole (cj_bsm) for that one. I'm taking Ch 36 & Hermione for myself. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 17:59:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 & Weight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5116 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter 3 & Weight Reply To: [Yahoo! #5113] Re: Chapter 3 Date: 7/26/00 1:59 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Here's a food related question... how is it that the students can eat so much food (even when it's not "feast" time, there's TONS of food on the house tables...) without becoming um... Dudleyesque in stature? Is it magic food? Does it automatically sense how many calories you need for that meal, then just zap away the excess? I mean, sure, the students climb a lot of staircases, but they don't have phys. ed. - and their only sport is played on broomstick. Just curious as to what you guys think about this>>> Well, having spent 2 weeks in the UK recently, I have the same question. You Brits eat *heavy* food, but there isn't near the obesity/weight problem in the UK as we have over here. My husband & I pondered this as we ate meal after meal laden with fattening foods. Example: after checking into our hotel in London on arrival, we just stepped into some cafe to get a quick bite --ordered pizza by the slice. It came with french fries! Later, in western England, we ordered a delicious Cornish pasty -- meat & potatoes in a pastry -- which was served with a large helping of fried potatoes on the side. What's up with all those potatoes anyway? Potatoes with *everything*!!! Anyway -- we concluded it must be activity level. We decided the Brits tend to exercise more in general -- it seemed like more people walk alot than over here. Is that why you all aren't so heavy as we Americans? Thoughts?? Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:01:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:01:00 -0400 Subject: Onion article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5117 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Onion article Reply To: [Yahoo! #5111] Onion article Date: 7/26/00 2:01 pm (ET) OMIGOD! I laughed until tears ran down my face at the photograph of the 3 girls. Wonder whose daughters got the exquisite glee of posing for THAT gem! http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html >>>This weeks issue of The Onion (a satirical newspaper which is about the funniest thing I have ever seen) has an funny article about Harry Potter luring children to satanism. <www.theonion.com>. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:03:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 & Weight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5118 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter 3 & Weight Reply To: [Yahoo! #5116] Re: Chapter 3 & Weight Date: 7/26/00 2:03 pm (ET) <<Is that why you all aren't so heavy as we Americans? Thoughts??>> Well, I'm not British, but I think the fact that Americans are overweight has to do not with WHAT we eat, but the combinations of food. I've found that Americans tend to not eat as many balanced meals as others. Also, we tend to obsess about it more, so I am positive that there is some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy about about our weight - generally speaking. Does this make any sense at all, or am I just speaking in strange voicelady-ese? From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:07:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5119 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5079] Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers) Date: 7/26/00 2:07 pm (ET) sarvalsha Date: 7/25/00 10:04 pm wrote: I l o v e S i r i u s B l a c k The second thing has to do with Sirius being the person that came to Harry's mind when he was trying to think of an adult whom he could confide in like a parent. I know that Sirius is his godfather and was his father's best friend. But he's also the guy who played a potentially fatal joke on Snape. It's not that I actually object (I loathe Snape) but it was hardly the sign of a kind and generous person. More importantly this is the guy who was willing to go over, under, or through the person he was supposed to be protecting to get to the person he was supposed to be protecting him from. And he had to be forcibly restrained from Pettigrew after that. If it'd been me, the first person who would have come to mind would have been someone who 1) I knew better; 2) had already been confiding in; 3) obviously also cared for me; 4) kept his head in a crisis. Of course he does have that one little flaw that shows up every month but I still would have gone to Lupin. I have to admit that I was not a big Sirius fan at the end of 3 and, although I do like him better now, I still prefer Lupin. Of course I'm not Harry and neither am I creator of this universe. Just wondering if anyone else had thought the same thing. Well, you are talking to a big time Sirius fan here...so here goes... 1st: about the joke on Snape...Sirius always seemed like the kind of guy who acted on his ideas without necessarily thinking through the consequences...particularly at a young age...I'm thinking that Sirius just didn't think about it being a potentially lethal joke,...after all he had been hanging out with a werewolf and was not harmed... 2nd: on the events at the shrieking shack...he had been in Azkaban for 12 years because of Pettigrew...I don't get the impression at all that he would have harmed Harry to get to Pettigrew, but he would be damned if he was going to let him get away again... finally like penny said in an earlier post...Harry and Lupin had developed a good teacher student relationship...but it was very rarely personal....as a godparent you are the one the parents choose to protect your child if anything happens to you...Sirius was that person to James and Lily and Sirius seems to take that seriously....Lupin never suggested that Harry come live with him...or offered to communicate or contact Harry when he left Hogwarts.... isn't it strange how different people get different impressions of characters for some reason I have always pictured Remus much older than he is described, I know I have to somehow alter that impression in my mind, but its real hard...I also see Remus as a more emotionally remote person..whereas Sirius is a more emotionally intense person... just my thoughts... cj From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5120 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5109] Chapter 3 Date: 7/26/00 2:09 pm (ET) It's amazing how much "power" Harry seems to have gained in the 4 years since his 11th birthday. Before, he was helpless, friendless, with absolutely nothing to boost his self-esteem. Now he is wealthy, he has friends, he has several adults who care for him as if he were a member of their own family, he is a "sports hero" and occasionally a school hero as well. He's enjoying his "power" over the Dursleys, but not to the point where he becomes an unpleasant bully. He simply knows exactly how and when to apply the thumbscrews to his relatives when they try to squash him. It will be extremely interesting to see how he spends his summer, and what sort of thoughts we will see in his head, considering the extremely traumatic experience he has been forced to endure, and with him knowing what sort of things he will certainly face in the immediate future. From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:11:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Onion article Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5121 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Onion article Reply To: [Yahoo! #5111] Onion article Date: 7/26/00 2:11 pm (ET) LMAO! That was absolutely fantastic. ::shakes head:: Must...stop...laughing... --John From brewergirl at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:14:00 2000 From: brewergirl at yahoo.com (BrewerGirl) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5122 From: BrewerGirl Subject: Re: Yahoo! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5091] Yahoo! Date: 7/26/00 2:14 pm (ET) Along with the "search" feature, I think it would be nice to have a "threaded" option. That would make it a whole lot easier to follow a conversation. (Of course, if there IS a threaded option already ... and I've just missed it ... someone please let me know!) From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:19:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:19:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo! Threaded.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5123 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Yahoo! Threaded.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5122] Re: Yahoo! Date: 7/26/00 2:19 pm (ET) There is a sorta threaded option (if I am thinking the right definition of what you are talking about) already. Look underneath my words here in the post. There are two phrases, "This is a reply to message #" and "View replies to this message". They allow you to "jump" over the messages that aren't about, say weight, and just read the ones you were hoping to get a reply from (like cuppa, thanks!) Dee From heiditandy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:25:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5124 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Character Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5115] Re: Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 2:25 pm (ET) I don't want to put the whole burden of doing this onto Penny - she does a lot! - but just to keep ourselves from forgetting that we have a Character Discussion to start, and so that newbies can see what is Still To Come, why don't those of us who have a character & a week go onto the Calendar feature here <-------- and put in our character in the appropriate week. I'm going to right now! From niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:49:00 2000 From: niamh_o_leary at yahoo.com (niamh_o_leary) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 & Weight Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5125 From: niamh_o_leary Subject: Re: Chapter 3 & Weight Reply To: [Yahoo! #5116] Re: Chapter 3 & Weight Date: 7/26/00 2:49 pm (ET) As someone who has lived on both sides of the atlantic I just want to add my twopennyworth to the above topic. British children are actually heavier on average than they have ever been and health professionals are worried about this.but saying that:- A: we eat smaller portions on average here.People going to america are warned about the huge portions to be expected. I had the hugest sandwich once which took me two meals to get through and that was without the optional pickles and crisps (chips) which I thankfully turned down. B: most people I know still walk quite a bit I for instance walk four miles to and from school each day which means that my children do two miles.We meet others on the way and the children enjoy walking with their friends. Unfortunately as nice as it can be we are also eating too much fast food and more people are dropping their children off at school by car. So as nice as it is to think of us a slim fit nation i,m afraid its not as true as it used to be but the food Harry and co eat is probably full of carbohydrates which they then burn off. As for potatoes I love them in all forms they are a stable part of our diet, my favourites are roast and lyonaisse. !!!now i,m hungry...again. From brp13 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:49:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5126 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5119] Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Date: 7/26/00 2:49 pm (ET) Well, I get the feeling Lupin is quite a bit older then either Sirrus or James. How much older I cannot say, but I get the feeling his admission was delayed by quite a while because he was a werewolf. I'm quite surprised there was so little about Lupin in book 4. From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:49:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Character Discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5127 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Character Discussions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5115] Re: Character Discussions Date: 7/26/00 2:49 pm (ET) Hi Everyone! I'm kinda new here (well ... does a week count as new??), but I'd love to do a summary of chapter 10 ... Can I Can I Can I? BTW, am I correct in assuming that there's no way of viewing these boards with Outlook Explorer's Newsreader function? (Dumb question, but might as well ask ... ) I just read that Yahoo is buying out Egroups (host of HarryPoterAnonymous!)--perhaps they'll be able to bring in some more email list tricks ... Anyway, ttfn! Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 18:55:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:55:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Biography! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5128 From: mikesusangray Subject: JKR Biography! Date: 7/26/00 2:55 pm (ET) Ho Ho! The UHPFC has a new link up: Mark Shapiro's JKR bio! I'd seen it advertized on Amazon, but now it's out. It'll be a while before I can get ahold of one, so I can't wait to hear the sound of spilling beans! If you're interested, do buy from this link, and help support Jenna's fan site: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312272243/jlrweb/102-7001602-4189722 pax, Mike From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 19:05:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:05:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Biography! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5129 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: JKR Biography! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5128] JKR Biography! Date: 7/26/00 3:05 pm (ET) Ugh! After posting my message I read some reviews of another book the author has written. All three said he'd just sifted out what they'd already read in magazines. Hope this won't be the same. Another vulture trying to cash in?? Anyway caveat emptor. (And to the vulture: caveat Fans!) pax, Mike From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 19:11:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Subject: JKR Biography! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5130 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: JKR Biography! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5128] JKR Biography! Date: 7/26/00 3:11 pm (ET) Got word that mine shipped today. I promise to share! Dee From mikesusangray at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 19:35:00 2000 From: mikesusangray at yahoo.com (mikesusangray) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:35:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5131 From: mikesusangray Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins Reply To: [Yahoo! #4792] Re: Race in HP/name origins Date: 7/26/00 3:35 pm (ET) <<Malfoy sounds like Malfi - a bit Franco-Italian - perhaps even alluding to the Mafiosi? >> I'm a little late on this one, but still: Comma ona! You thinka that *blonda* Malafede boy, he coma from the sunny country? You thinka he one of the honoured society?? You know what the society doing with little Malafedes? He maka real good friends with the fishes, yeah? Michele Griggio (a.k.a. Mike Gray) From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 19:48:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:48:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 3 Summarization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5132 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Reply To: [Yahoo! #5084] Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/26/00 3:48 pm (ET) And later Ron is ready to perform the Avera Kadavra curse when Malfoy says, "Is your mother really that porky?" Isn't Neville described as a bit overweight? And though I don't think it says one way or another, I always see Prof. Sprout as being rather roly-poly. From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 20:21:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:21:00 -0400 Subject: Weight.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5133 From: karob_7 Subject: Weight.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5132] Re: Chapter 3 Summarization Date: 7/26/00 4:21 pm (ET) Neville is described as having a round face, but I don't remember him being specifically described as overweight. I may have missed it. At one point (in book 1) Prof. Sprout is described as "dumpy"--the exact words were, I think, "a dumpy little witch." From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 20:25:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5134 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 4:25 pm (ET) Hi: I've had a few more volunteers -- you guys are great! Chapter 10 -- Resident Ghosts (Moaning Myrtle, Nearly Headless Nick, Friar, Bloody Baron, etc.) -- Mikeusangray Chapter 11 -- Professors Sprout and Sinistra & Madame Pomfrey & Madame Hooch -- Arawa (aka Anna) The characters paired with some of the later chapters are as follows (if that affects your decision about chapters) -- 12 -- Binns/Flitwick/any other profs I've forgotten (minor) 13 -- Cornelius Fudge 14 -- House Elves (Dobby, Winky) 15 -- Cho & Cedric 16 -- Fleur & Krum 17 -- Creaveys (Colin & Dennis); Seamus; Dean; Parvarti; Lavender, etc. 18 -- Ollivander -- already taken by Ebony 19 -- Molly Weasley 20 -- Crouch(es) 21 -- Mad Eye Moody 22 -- Trelawney -- already taken by Davehoz 23 -- McGonagall 24 -- Draco Malfoy(Crabbe & Goyle too) 25 -- Lucius Malfoy 26 -- James & Lily Potter 27 -- Neville 28 -- Pettigrew 29 -- Lupin 30 -- Snape 31 -- Hagrid 32 -- Sirius -- already taken by Carole 33 -- Voldemort 34 -- Dumbledore 35 -- Ron 36 -- Hermione -- already taken by *me* 37 -- Harry From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 20:28:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:28:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5135 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5134] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 4:28 pm (ET) I've been away for a while trying to finish and still keep my job and house clean. If someone can explain what we are to be disscussing about these characters in these chapters I will be more than happy to sign up for Molly Weasley or Prof. McGonagall. Keep me posted. Jess From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 21:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5136 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5119] Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Date: 7/26/00 5:03 pm (ET) Hi: This does require Spoiler Space -- so heed the Spoiler Warning -- I L O V E S I R I U S A N D R E M U S <<<I also see Remus as a more emotionally remote person..whereas Sirius is a more emotionally intense person...>>> Yes, I agree. Here's an example -- in PoA when Harry is choking up a bit telling Remus that he can hear Voldemort murdering his mum when the dementors get close to him, Remus makes as though to grab Harry's shoulder, but draws back from contact. It's as though he wants to comfort his old friend's son, but is drawing a line based on the student/teacher relationship or something. This always bugged me truth be told (even though I think Remus goes a long way to establish a special relationship with Harry). But, contrast that scene with one of the ending scenes of GoF where Harry is quite upset & shaken as he is reliving the confrontation with Voldemort. Sirius' hands are shaking as he helps Harry into a chair, and he keeps his hand gripping Harry's shoulder throughout the conversation. It's certainly implied that Sirius is in tears by the end of Harry's tale. He also seems to be in tears at one point in PoA -- when he's finally convinced Harry that he didn't betray James & Lily. He's clearly more emotional. Granted, his emotional range is extreme it seems -- hair-trigger temper & all. But, on balance, Harry needs someone to lean on who has more emotional depth (IMO). I think Remus is great -- he's a good and kind person who takes more than a passing interest in Harry certainly. But Sirius has clearly taken the initiative to establish a more personal relationship with Harry. He takes his godfather role quite seriously. So . . . I definitely find Remus to be more detached. I do hope we'll see him again in Book 5 though as, after Sirius, he is my favorite adult character! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 21:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: Few More Volunteers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5137 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Few More Volunteers Date: 7/26/00 5:08 pm (ET) Hi: Just so everyone stays abreast of what's been taken -- I've had some more chapters taken -- Chapter 19 -- Molly Weasley -- Jess (lady_emerlyn) Chapter 23 -- McGonagall -- John Walton Chapter 27 -- Neville -- Karob_7 (Karin) Thanks! From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 21:33:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Remus/Sirius--minor spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5138 From: karob_7 Subject: Remus/Sirius--minor spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5136] Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Date: 7/26/00 5:33 pm (ET) s p o i l e r s p a c e zip a dee do dah, zip a dee ay I don't think that Sirius is more emotional than Remus, really. I just think that Remus doesn't show it. So yes, Remus is more remote. But that's probably only natural. Being a werewolf leaves him very isolated. I'm sure Remus has been shunned so much that he hesitates in building any relationships. He's spent most of his life being thought untrustworthy (Sirius has only spent--oh, 9 or 10 years being considered untrustworthy), so he is unlikely to encourage Harry to put too much trust in him. Also, because Sirius is more expressive, his personality is more likely to welcome Harry's confidentiality. He seems to be more protective than Remus does. Sirius is more prone to act, while Remus seems to be more of a thinker. And I think Harry, despite his worry about Sirius coming, probably did really want someone there who would be willing to act impulsively on his behalf. It says he wanted someone like a parent--and emotionally, Sirius was more like a parent than Remus. And yes, I hope we see more of Remus, too. He's my favorite adult character. Karin From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 22:33:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: Movie Casting: Seamus Finnigan Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5139 From: babynick34 Subject: Movie Casting: Seamus Finnigan Date: 7/26/00 6:33 pm (ET) Hi all Who do you think should play the part of Seamus? I think Joe Breen would be great for the part. He is not an actor as such... he was discovered by Alan Parker, who got him to play the part of young Frank in Anglea's Ashes. Joe must now be aged around 10, or even 11 - which is about right for playing a first year at Hogwarts. Some links: http://www.angelasashes.com/players/actor3.html http://slam.ca/JamMoviesArtistsB/breen_joe.html Nick -------------- www.broomsticks.org From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 22:50:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:50:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5140 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5134] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 6:50 pm (ET) I think was Heidi, earlier, who suggested that those of us who are summarising post the details in the calendar. Are we following a strict one-a-week schedule for these things? If so, I assume I'll be launching my 'Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes' (and roundup on the W twins) on you on Monday 7th August. Alternatively, should I wait for the discussion of Ch.4 to tail off? Or is Penny going to act as referee and tell us when to come in? I declare more than a passing interest in Ch.30 (the one about the pensieve) and Snape, but I won't be greedy! Only if there are no other takers (not likely at this rate!) Also, as Simon is on holiday this week, maybe we should hold back something? I know he did Ch. 2, but I'm sure he'd be mortified if he came back to find all the major characters allocated! And I'm sure in the chat last Sunday, he said he'd like to do Ch. 27 (already taken) or one of the thirty-somthings - can't remember which one! Oh well, whatever will be, will be. Neil From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 22:56:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5141 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5134] Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 6:56 pm (ET) I volunteer for either Chapter 14 or 23. Take your pick Penny! Trina From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:00:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5142 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5140] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:00 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Are we following a strict one-a-week schedule for these things? If so, I assume I'll be launching my 'Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes' (and roundup on the W twins) on you on Monday 7th August>>>> I think one week makes sense, but with these early chapters and more minor characters, do we want to speed it up a bit as Hagrid would say? The good thing about once a week is that it would prolong our discussions for a greater period of time. But, I'm open to speeding things up for a bit. <<<I declare more than a passing interest in Ch.30 (the one about the pensieve) and Snape, but I won't be greedy! Only if there are no other takers (not likely at this rate!)>>> You are down for that chapter. I think people like you, me, Simon, Trina -- who all did very early chapters can also take one of the meatier later chapters. That's an executive decision by the way. Do you want to pick one for Simon based on a character he is particularly fond of? Then, you can be blamed (and not I) if it's the wrong one. <g> Chapter 29 -- Lupin -- has predictably been taken by Sarvalsha (Margaret). Chapter 26 -- Potters -- has been asked for by Heidi, who is also doing Chapter 9. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5143 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5141] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:01 pm (ET) Trina: Chapter 23 has been taken, so you're on for Chapter 14. Thanks! Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:02:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:02:00 -0400 Subject: US English (again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5144 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: US English (again) Date: 7/26/00 7:02 pm (ET) I've just read a message somewhere else - on a non HP list - in which someone reported that someone else [perhaps *YOU*] had contacted Scholastic and asked them why they Americanised the Harry Potter books. Their reply was that both they and JK Rowling wanted children to have the same 'experience' of the books, regardless of the country they were in. They decided to change any words which might be difficult to visualise (foods, sweets etc.) and JK Rowling was, reportedly, the one who came up with alternative wordings, not the publishers themselves. Still doesn't explain Sorcerer's Stone, and the fact that a lot of the kids reading the book are 20+, or 20++ Or 20+++ Neil From triner2001 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:03:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5145 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5142] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:03 pm (ET) Since Chapter 23 & McGonagall is taken (I should know better than to reply without reading all the posts by now!), I would like Chapter 14 and House Elves, Miss Penny. Trina From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:04:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5146 From: Danemead Subject: Handwriting Date: 7/26/00 7:04 pm (ET) Do we have any handwriting experts in the group? I'd be curious to know how the publishers selected the various fonts to be used as signatures on the various letters that crop up in the HP books. Each character has a distinctive signature font. Another bit of arcana, I'm sure, but since we've discovered that often the tiniest details turn out to be important, I'd just like to know if the fonts were picked at random or were they geared to the perceived personalities of the characters. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:11:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5147 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5142] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:11 pm (ET) That's an executive decision by the way. Do you want to pick one for Simon based on a character he is particularly fond of? Then, you can be blamed (and not I) if it's the wrong one. <g> Well, in that case, let's give him Ch.35 (Veritaserum) and Ron Weasley. I don't think he'll complain! <bg> Neil From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:11:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:11:00 -0400 Subject: Weight.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5148 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Weight.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #5133] Weight.... Date: 7/26/00 7:11 pm (ET) <<Neville is described as having a round face, but I don't remember him being specifically described as overweight. I may have missed it.>> In Chapter 9 of SS/PS, after Neville falls off his broom in flying lessons, Malfoy calls him a "great lump." Parvati tells Malfoy to shut up, to which Pansy Parkinson says "I didn't think you'd like fat cry-babies!" or something to that effect. Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:17:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5149 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Handwriting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5146] Handwriting Date: 7/26/00 7:17 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Do we have any handwriting experts in the group? I'd be curious to know how the publishers selected the various fonts to be used as signatures on the various letters that crop up in the HP books. Each character has a distinctive signature font. Another bit of arcana, I'm sure, but since we've discovered that often the tiniest details turn out to be important, I'd just like to know if the fonts were picked at random or were they geared to the perceived personalities of the characters.>>> The interesting thing about this for the PoU fans out there is that Lori seems to have been prescient about Harry's handwriting as well. She described it as "slanted spiky" handwriting, and I think the GoF font can be described as such. It's back-slanted and a bit spiky I think. Penny From sammie_dd at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:44:00 2000 From: sammie_dd at yahoo.com (sammie_dd) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:44:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5150 From: sammie_dd Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5142] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:44 pm (ET) Penny, I've lost track of who is taking what, but sign me up for either 15, 16 or 17. Whichever is still available. Thanks! Sam From karob_7 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 23:56:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:56:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5151 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5147] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/26/00 7:56 pm (ET) Oops! I had forgotten Simon wanted to lead discussion on ch. 27 when I requested it. I didn't really even request it b/c of the chapter, just for the character of Neville. Does anyone remember which message it was that Simon mentioned discussing ch. 27? (oh for a search tool!) Anyway, I am willing to give up ch. 27 ... after all, Simon had first dibs on it. Karin From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 00:10:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:10:00 -0400 Subject: potter selling well Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5152 From: heiditandy Subject: potter selling well Date: 7/26/00 8:10 pm (ET) Boy wizard Harry Potter is still weaving magic in his third week of release, flying off bookstore shelves and Web retailing sites at a steady pace. see the whole article at http://www.salon.com/business/wire/2000/07/26/potter/index.html From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 00:22:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Subject: More Chapters Taken; Some Shifting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5153 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More Chapters Taken; Some Shifting Date: 7/26/00 8:22 pm (ET) Hi: Okay, since Karin wanted to discuss Neville more than Ch 27, how about this? We'll flip it & Simon can discuss Ch 27 -- Pettigrew, and Karin can discuss Ch 28 -- Neville. Sound ok? Sam is going to do Chapter 17 -- Creaveys, Seamus, Dean, Pavarti, Lavender, etc. We're filling up fast. Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 00:54:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:54:00 -0400 Subject: potter selling well Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5154 From: Danemead Subject: Re: potter selling well Reply To: [Yahoo! #5152] potter selling well Date: 7/26/00 8:54 pm (ET) Geez - 10 million copies printed in just the US and UK, in the first month! I've also seen articles from India and Japan indicating that sales there are on a corresponding scale to the population. Libraries in Germany are stocking copies in English because there is no German translation yet -- and they're making people read the books IN THE LIBRARY... no checkouts allowed. I keep re-reading the books, trying to figure out just what is the magic ingredient that makes these books so amazing. This is not a fad, like some muggles like to believe. It's a genuinely compelling story that allows you to read 700 pages in a day or two without feeling weary, and actually wishing there was more to read. I hope JKR is taking very very good care of herself. From shellymoos at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:05:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:05:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5155 From: shellymoos Subject: Questions Date: 7/26/00 9:05 pm (ET) Hi all. I just started doing my reread of GoF and I noticed something in the first chapter I didn't notice before. When the police are talking to Frank about the murders of the Riddles he said he hadn't noticed anything different except for "a teenaged boy, a stranger, dark-haired and pale." Now I am assuming that is Tom Riddle (Voldy) from CoS. But then that means he wasn't really a Riddle, right? Obviously, or maybe not he killed them, at least it is implied. And then just assumes their names when he goes to Hogwarts. Sso then who is he really, what is his real name. He said in CoS he chose Voldermort and something to scare people so they would remember. I have this really weird thoery and some of you may think it is too far out. But I happen to think that Voldermort is James' father. So far there has been no mention of James' family, and the physical resemblence is too close. Did he kill James because James and Lily would not follow him? People, even wizards I'm sure, will do horrible things in a moment of great rage. Well just a few of my thoughts. Shelly From karob_7 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:11:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:11:00 -0400 Subject: More Chapters Taken; Some Shifting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5156 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: More Chapters Taken; Some Shifting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5153] More Chapters Taken; Some Shifting Date: 7/26/00 9:11 pm (ET) Okay by me! Karin From jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:13:00 2000 From: jeanne_1013 at yahoo.com (jeanne_1013) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:13:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5157 From: jeanne_1013 Subject: Re: Questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5155] Questions Date: 7/26/00 9:13 pm (ET) Voldie is a Riddle; the three people who were killed were his father and paternal grandparents. I suppose it's possible that he's James' father; hasn't JK written somewhere that James is from an all-Muggle family? I seem to remember something like that in one of the first few books. ~Mara~ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5158 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Voldemort/James Potter Date: 7/26/00 9:32 pm (ET) Hi: Tom Riddle (later known as Lord Voldemort) killed his father and his paternal grandparents (they were the 3 Riddles killed in Ch 1 of GoF). Tom Riddle Sr. (Voldy's father) abandoned his mother when he found out she was a witch, before Voldy was even born. Voldy's mother was a descendant of Slytherin and gave him the name Tom after his father, Marvolo after his grandfather (maternal??) and the Riddle surname of course. She died soon after he was born, and he was raised in a muggle orphanage. James Potter being Voldy's son. I don't think so. Someone theorized recently that the Potter surname could have come from James' mother -- i.e., Voldy sired James but abandoned the family and the mother didn't give James the Riddle surname, but her own, Potter. I'm not sure why I don't find that theory all that compelling -- a bit too cliche I guess. Too easy. Too Star Wars-ish. I don't think in any case that James could be muggle-born. Harry is a half-blood, and his mum is definitely muggle-born -- so that means James is a wizard by birth. My thoughts -- Penny From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:32:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:32:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5159 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5157] Re: Questions Date: 7/26/00 9:32 pm (ET) >>> Voldie is a Riddle; the three people who were killed were his father and paternal grandparents. I suppose it's possible that he's James' father; hasn't JK written somewhere that James is from an all-Muggle family? I seem to remember something like that in one of the first few books. >>> No, it's Harry's *mother* that is from a Muggle family. However, this is an assumption based on the fact that Petunia Dursley, a Muggle, is Lily Potter's sister. I don't think that Petunia was a Squib in a wizarding family, because if that was the case she would most likely be familiar with Quidditch, owl post, etc. and noticed the owls on the day Harry was brought to them, or realized that the Weasleys would travel via Floo Powder in GoF. (Unless she's repressing the memories...) :) We haven't heard anything about James' family yet, to the best of my knowledge, but I think he most likely came from a wizarding family. -- JoAnna From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:36:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:36:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5160 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5159] Re: Questions Date: 7/26/00 9:36 pm (ET) Hi: <<<We haven't heard anything about James' family yet, to the best of my knowledge, but I think he most likely came from a wizarding family.>>> He'd have to be a wizard by birth for Harry to be a half-blood, right? Unless you assume that Petunia is a squib from a wizard family. But then, Harry even has referred to Lily as his "common muggle-born mother" when he's in the Chamber with Riddle. There are several references to Harry being half-blood, so I imagine James must have contributed the wizard portion. Penny From echomyst at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 01:52:00 2000 From: echomyst at yahoo.com (echomyst) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: Library catalogue of HP books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5161 From: echomyst Subject: Re: Library catalogue of HP books Reply To: [Yahoo! #5088] Re: Library catalogue of HP books Date: 7/26/00 9:52 pm (ET) Sheryll, An early Happy Birthday to your daughter! Oh no...the book reservation waiting list's much worse here...if anyone wants to reserve GoF right now, he/she will be at around 1800th place on the waiting list (even though there are around 10 copies)! That'll take at least a year to receive the book! Emily From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 02:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5162 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Voldemort/James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5158] Voldemort/James Potter Date: 7/26/00 10:14 pm (ET) Voldemort says his mother was a witch living in that village, and that she died when he was born. Where was HER family? Do we believe that a witch could be living as a total outcast in a muggle village? Was she an absolute orphan, or did her family throw her out? Was her family of wizard blood or muggle blood? Questions pile up. From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 02:20:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5163 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5157] Re: Questions Date: 7/26/00 10:20 pm (ET) Lily is the one who's Muggle-born (though some theorize that Aunt Petunia has been lying all these years and actually Aunt P. is a squib). What *I* can't understand is why Voldy's name was "Tom"... The Muggle orphanage had no way of knowing that was his father's name, and even if his mother requested it on her deathbed or something, why would she want to name her son after the rotten b-----d who abandoned her? Come to think of it, what was his mum doing in a Muggle maternity ward in the first place? (If she gave birth in the Wizarding world Voldy would have gone to a Wizard orphanage, wouldn't have he?) From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 02:39:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: Remus/Sirius--minor spoilers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5164 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Remus/Sirius--minor spoilers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5138] Remus/Sirius--minor spoilers Date: 7/26/00 10:39 pm (ET) I think also that Sirius is more self-confident than Remus. Sirius is kept sane, even in Azkaban, by knowledge of his innocence, but Remus left the school believing himself a danger to everyone. What would have happened if the roles were reversed? I have a funny feeling that Remus the convicted murderer would have said, "Well, I'd better stay here in Azkaban where I can't hurt anyone further", while Sirius the werewolf DADA teacher would have said, "I'm *not* leaving Hogwarts! I'll fight this thing and *prove* I'm not a danger to Harry and his classmates!" Just me two Knuts' worth... From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 02:48:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Questions about Lily, James and Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5165 From: angelx_ph Subject: Questions about Lily, James and Snape Date: 7/26/00 10:48 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S 1. I'm sure this has been brought up before but during the climactic battle between Harry and Voldemort and their two wands meet and the "ghosts" of Voldemort's victims emerged from the wand in reverse order, Lily and James came out the wrong way. Didn't James die before Lily (according to PoA)? Therefore Lily should've came out first. Is this a mistake or a foreshadowing of a plot twist in future books? 2. Voldemort mentioned that one of the Death Eaters has left him forever and that he will be killed. He is likely referring to Snape who admitted being once a Death Eater. Will he be killed in the next book? What was the "task" Dumbledore sent Snape to do? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 03:24:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Questions about Lily, James and Snap Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5166 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Questions about Lily, James and Snap Reply To: [Yahoo! #5165] Questions about Lily, James and Snape Date: 7/26/00 11:24 pm (ET) Hi: SPOILER WARNING; SPOILER SPACE FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT -- GOF SPOILERS AHEAD -- okay, here goes S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<1. I'm sure this has been brought up before but during the climactic battle between Harry and Voldemort and their two wands meet and the "ghosts" of Voldemort's victims emerged from the wand in reverse order, Lily and James came out the wrong way. Didn't James die before Lily (according to PoA)? Therefore Lily should've came out first. Is this a mistake or a foreshadowing of a plot twist in future books?>>> There's been extensive discussion of this topic already on this group & on hpanonymous. You might want to read through the archives to get a sense of what people believe. I have a wild theory that Voldemort cursed James first, but he died after Lily. <<<2. Voldemort mentioned that one of the Death Eaters has left him forever and that he will be killed. He is likely referring to Snape who admitted being once a Death Eater. Will he be killed in the next book? What was the "task" Dumbledore sent Snape to do?>>> Also discussed extensively. Snape likely was the spy who informed Dumbledore that Voldemort was after the Potters (see PoA). Dumbledore probably wants him to infiltrate the dark forces again. I know there's no search engine on this Yahoo board -- a lamentable deficiency. Good luck searching through old messages! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 03:26:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5167 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Voldemort/James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5162] Re: Voldemort/James Potter Date: 7/26/00 11:26 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Voldemort says his mother was a witch living in that village, and that she died when he was born. Where was HER family? Do we believe that a witch could be living as a total outcast in a muggle village? Was she an absolute orphan, or did her family throw her out? Was her family of wizard blood or muggle blood? Questions pile up.>>> I only have an answer (partial answer) to the last query. We know Voldemort's mother is a direct descendant of Salazar Slytherin, so she was at least a half-blood. Penny From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 03:42:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Another Question: Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5168 From: angelx_ph Subject: Another Question: Date: 7/26/00 11:42 pm (ET) It was mentioned in Book 1 that Lily had red hair and it's always mentioned that the Weasleys all have red hair. Could she be related in any way to the Weasleys (a distant one perhaps)? It's also mentioned in Book 1 that the Weasleys have a distant Muggle relative (an accountant) -- could s/he be Lily's father or mother? From brooksindy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 03:49:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5169 From: brooksindy Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/26/00 11:49 pm (ET) I visited a (physical, not online!) Warner Bros. Store on Saturday and asked about the merchandise shown on the website. I was told much HP stuff was in stock in the back room but they were not allowed to sell it before (either end of this week or 1 August, not sure which they actually said). From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 03:53:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5170 From: angelx_ph Subject: The Dursleys Date: 7/26/00 11:53 pm (ET) I just read a review saying that unless the Dursleys develop as characters or become integral to the plot, they should be dropped and have Harry spend his vacation somewhere else. I also heard somewhere that in Book 5, the reason for Harry's spending vacations at the Dursleys will finally be revealed and perhaps we may finally see the Dursleys be more than just two dimensional mean comic reliefs. What do you guys think? From dirranecor at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 04:32:00 2000 From: dirranecor at yahoo.com (dirranecor) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5171 From: dirranecor Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5169] Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/27/00 12:32 am (ET) I just visited the Warner Brothers Store in my area and was amazed to see all the Harry Potter merchandise; bags, pens, small notepads, lots of shirts and also a package of book covers for back to school. I can't believe I didn't hear about this stuff coming out! Where was I?! From p_dumbledore at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 04:41:00 2000 From: p_dumbledore at yahoo.com (p_dumbledore) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Volunteer Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5172 From: p_dumbledore Subject: Chapter Volunteer Date: 7/27/00 12:41 am (ET) Penny If there are any chapters left, put Diann and I down for one to cover. Been busy with some company so didn't get a chance to jump in earlier. Thanks!! Dennis From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 04:50:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:50:00 -0400 Subject: Another Question: Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5173 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Another Question: Reply To: [Yahoo! #5168] Another Question: Date: 7/27/00 12:50 am (ET) Dumbledore says that the Dursleys are the only family Harry has left. I will feel really cheated if I find out that Harry is a relative of the Weasleys or any other surviving wizard family, since apparently none of the wizard community tried to contact Harry for ten years, with the exception of a few odd people who waved at him from a distance. I really hope he is not related to his best friend's family. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 05:24:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:24:00 -0400 Subject: Simon Said...? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5174 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Simon Said...? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5151] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/27/00 1:24 am (ET) <<Does anyone remember which message it was that Simon mentioned discussing ch. 27? (oh for a search tool!)>> I'm not sure he did say it in a message on the board. That was just me, *thinking* he said it in the chatroom last Sunday! Some of us had been musing about which chapters we'd like to take the lead on, given the chance. Maybe one of the others who was still there at that point can recall who said what? (oh for a memory!). I have a feeling Nick and CarverWB were the only other participants in that conversation. Anyway, let's not make a mystery out of it - Penny has come up with a solution and it'll all come out in the wash... :) Neil From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 07:31:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:31:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5175 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Handwriting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5146] Handwriting Date: 7/27/00 3:31 am (ET) I'm not exactly a handwriting *expert* but I know a bit about it... if anyone can correct me I'd love to hear what a real expert has to say. I don't think the fonts were chosen randomly. Molly Weasley's is small and round and shows that she's affectionate and proud. Hermione's is very controlled and organised, with loops showing emotion she doesn't express. It's also rather formal and schoolbook-like, which indicates that she (surprise surprise) has a lot of respect for and is influenced by what she learns in school. Professor McGonagall's is also tightly controlled, again showing reserve, but more angular, showing that she is an analytical thinker. I can't work much out from Hagrid's except that he's not a deep thinker. Sirius' seems to indicate a rather artistic person, impulsive and always looking back to the past ... not quite what I'd have expected but there you go. Ron's is proud again, and quite emotional, and with only three letters there's not much for me to go on. And Harry's is impulsive, analytical and showing signs of repression. That might all be gibberish, or it might make sense, but I hope it answers your question. Blaise. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 09:59:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:59:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5176 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5171] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/27/00 5:59 am (ET) >Where was I?! Where are you now even... as these things are not due to arrive in the UK until at least December, so I guess you must be Stateside. >From what I knew - these items were due for release through the retail stores in August in the US, and then December in UK/Europe. Some items are also available on-line from Warner's Online store - though shipping costs are high. Nick From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 10:48:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:48:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5177 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins Reply To: [Yahoo! #5131] Re: Race in HP/name origins Date: 7/27/00 6:48 am (ET) Salut ! ><<Malfoy sounds like Malfi - a bit Franco-Italian - perhaps even alluding to the Mafiosi? >> >Comma ona! You thinka that *blonda* Malafede boy, he coma from the sunny country? If I get this right, you think the Malfoy family couldn't come from Italy because Draco has blond hair ? I'm sorry, but many kids from the Northern part of Italy have blond hair. Moreover, I agree that Malfoy does sound a bit French : Malfoy => Male foi => Mauvaise foi, which could mean either "Insincerity, dishonesty" or "To have faith in the wrong person". A plus ! Do From ldgrrl at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 11:06:00 2000 From: ldgrrl at yahoo.com (ldgrrl) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:06:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5178 From: ldgrrl Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5177] Re: Race in HP/name origins Date: 7/27/00 7:06 am (ET) I've only just joined, so please forgive me if I'm treading on anybody's toes, but I agree that Malfoy sounds far more like a Medieval French corruption than Italian. Furthermore, on the subject of the Patil twins, I had always assumed that Parvati's name was an allusion to the character of Parvati, a witch in Salman Rushdie's excellent Midnight's Children, which is set in India and Pakistan. Any thoughts? Kate (ldgrrl) From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 11:39:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:39:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5179 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 7:39 am (ET) Salut ! Penny, I was the one suggesting that James might bear his mother's name. A bit too cliche ? Maybe. But I know so many people to whom it has happened (such as me, for example). I've been thinking about the problem of the Muggle orphanage. Isn't it odd that the wizarding people live longer than the Muggles but there were no living relatives left to take care of Tom Riddle Jr ? My idea is that his mother's family was very deeply involved in the Dark Arts, and maybe his mother herself too, which is definitely life-threatening. So her own family might have been killed for Dark Arts-related reasons ( battles for power, etc...), especially since they seem to have been very proud to be descendants of Slytherin. It could even be the reason she died. The problem is, bad guys never help each other out of pure charity. So nobody would have been willing to take care of baby V, and that could be why he ended up in a Muggle orphanage. As for Harry being related to the Weasleys, wouldn't *that* sound a *bit* too cliche ?! A plus ! Do From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 12:48:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5180 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5179] Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 8:48 am (ET) Hi: <<<I've been thinking about the problem of the Muggle orphanage. Isn't it odd that the wizarding people live longer than the Muggles but there were no living relatives left to take care of Tom Riddle Jr ?>>> I've been wondering about this - Catlady & some others have also suggested that wizards live longer than muggles. How do we know this? Tom Riddle Jr. says that his mother lived only long enough to name him -- so I assume her death had something to do with childbirth. <<<As for Harry being related to the Weasleys, wouldn't *that* sound a *bit* too cliche ?!>>>> I think so! I'm definitely not an adherent of the "Harry is a relative of the Weasleys" theory. IMO, the connection between Lily's red hair & the red hair of the Weasleys is pure coincidence. Red hair isn't *that* uncommon amongst the general population. My opinion is simply that I suspect JKR has a plot device or two up her sleeve that will be a surprise to the vast majority of us when we finish Book 7 -- she's surprised most of us with the previous books, has she not? Or am *I* the only gullible one? <vbg> If her plots were simple or endings obvious or cliched, would the books have achieved this level of popularity, particularly among adults like us? Just my $.02 -- Penny From badgerskin at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 13:34:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:34:00 -0400 Subject: The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5181 From: badgerskin Subject: Re: The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #5170] The Dursleys Date: 7/27/00 9:34 am (ET) I seem to recall in GoF that it was mentioned that Voldemort couldn't "get to" Harry so long as he was with "relatives" in the Muggle-world. I think it was Dumbledore that was speaking...(I've loaned out my copy, so I can't conform this - I just seem to recall something along those lines that would explain, a little anyways, why Harry went back to the Dursleys. But then, there's the difficulty of him going to the Weaslys, where he would be more vulnerable - and I don't know if Dumbledore REQUIRES Harry to go to the Dursleys, but isn't it odd that the Dursleys are always there at King's Crossing to pick Harry up after each semester? Why would they do that? JKR has many loose ends to tie up - and only 3 more books to do it!!! heheheh, I LOVE this!!! badgerskin From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 13:53:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:53:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5182 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5180] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 9:53 am (ET) Salut ! >Catlady & some others have also suggested that wizards live longer than muggles. How do we know this? Doesn't it say so somewhere in the books ? I can't think of any precise example, but still... >Tom Riddle Jr. says that his mother lived only long enough to name him -- so I assume her death had something to do with childbirth. You *assumed* ?!?! Haven't you learned by now that we should NEVER assume anything (even if I can't stop doing so <g>) ? For all we know ... um, let me figure out something ... say, she (Tom's mother) might have been on the run trying to escape from someone who wanted to kill her, but she had to stop running to give birth to her son, then she could have left him on a porch with a note ( reminds you of something ? ), or maybe she gave him away to the first person she met, and she fled again but she was found by her pursuer and he killed her. I'm making all this up, of course, but couldn't it be this way ? So *I* wouldn't assume she just died because of childbirth ( and, still, maybe she did). As for the red-heads : I seem to remember that Lily's hair was described as "auburn" while the Weasleys' is "flaming-red". It's not quite the same. Close but different. And if we went by hair-color, we might end up with Lily and Petunia Malfoy, since both Dudley and Draco (and Petunia) are blonde ! And *that* would be disgusting !! And I can assure you that you are definitely NOT the only gullible one ! There are at least 2 of us ! A plus ! Do From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 13:58:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:58:00 -0400 Subject: The Dursleys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5183 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: The Dursleys Reply To: [Yahoo! #5181] Re: The Dursleys Date: 7/27/00 9:58 am (ET) Spoiler V E R Y S M A L L I noticed that Petunia was firghtened of the Floo powder arrival. I suppose that if someone blew out my fireplace, I'd be startled too, but her sister was a witch. Didn't Lily talk about what she was learning at school at home? Naturally I don't think Petunia really wanted to know, but if she was at the dinner table when Lily was telling Mum and Dad, she'd at least hear about the various wizarding world stuff. Lily was at Hogwarts for 7 years. I can't believe Lily never talked about school, especially since her parents seemed proud to have a witch in the family. Maybe Petunia has conveniently forgotten all the tales Lily told of life at Hogwarts... Trina From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 14:54:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:54:00 -0400 Subject: wizard life expectancy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5184 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: wizard life expectancy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5180] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 10:54 am (ET) <<I've been wondering about this - Catlady & some others have also suggested that wizards live longer than muggles. How do we know this?>> JKR says they do, in a chat with Scholastic. (She also says Remus is one of her favourite characters!) For the transcript, go here: http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript.htm And I should have introduced myself before. I'm Blaise, a classics student and fanfic writer from England. My stories - if you dare read them - are posted on http://www.fanfiction.net ~Blaise. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 14:57:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:57:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5185 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5182] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 10:57 am (ET) Penny posted: >>Tom Riddle Jr. says that his mother lived only >>long enough to name him -- so I assume her death >>had something to do with childbirth. then Do replied You *assumed* ?!?! Haven't you learned by now that we should NEVER assume anything (even if I can't stop doing so <g>) ? but: this isn't much of an assumption...in chapter 33...V states "...and she died giving birth to me...." but good try on the alternate theory...you never know what JKR will do next...so the point is well taken... cj (formerly known as cj_bsm ...always disliked that ID....) From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 15:11:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5186 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5185] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 11:11 am (ET) Salut ! >this isn't much of an assumption...in chapter 33...V states "...and she died giving birth to me...." OOps ! Thanks cj, and *sorry* for shouting at you Penny ! A plus ! Do From babynick34 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 15:13:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:13:00 -0400 Subject: LATEST MOVIE NEWS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5187 From: babynick34 Subject: LATEST MOVIE NEWS Date: 7/27/00 11:13 am (ET) Chris Columbus arrives in the UK on the 8th August. His family are coming to the UK with him by all accounts. Anyone from Hertfordshire? Where is Leviston Studios? Seems like they might not be filming at Pinewood after all. Nick. From naraht at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 15:15:00 2000 From: naraht at yahoo.com (naraht) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:15:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5188 From: naraht Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Date: 7/27/00 11:15 am (ET) Harry Potter Book 5 can be ordered at www.amazon.co.uk (the british version of amazon). The scary thing is that it is already #45 in sales of all of amazon.co.uk! Also, the publication date is listed as July 2001. From rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:06:00 2000 From: rita_skeeter2 at yahoo.com (rita_skeeter2) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:06:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5189 From: rita_skeeter2 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5188] Harry Potter Book 5 Date: 7/27/00 12:06 pm (ET) I looked through Amazon here in the US and it's not available yet, but give it a couple of days. --Rita From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5190 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Handwriting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5175] Re: Handwriting Date: 7/27/00 12:12 pm (ET) Interesting... thank you, Blaise. Especially interesting that the author, publishers, and typesetters took such pains with even the smallest details. BTW, although I am in no way a "Snape fan", I read the first two chapters of your new story about Snape on fanfiction.net and I am HOOKED! Can't wait to read the next installment. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:18:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5191 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5178] Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Date: 7/27/00 12:18 pm (ET) On the subject of name origins, this has probably been mentioned before, but I've always thought that Neville is an allusion to Neville Chamberlain. What do you all think? From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5192 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5189] Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Date: 7/27/00 12:48 pm (ET) >>>>I looked through Amazon here in the US and it's not available yet, but give it a couple of days.<<<< Apparently, Amazon US will not list it for sale until it has been assigned an ISBN number by Scholastic (ISBN = International Standard Book Number, i think). But you can bet I'll be checking once a week until they do!! From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 16:55:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5193 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5191] Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Date: 7/27/00 12:55 pm (ET) >>>>>By: vivace1320 Date: 7/27/00 12:18 pm On the subject of name origins, this has probably been mentioned before, but I've always thought that Neville is an allusion to Neville Chamberlain. What do you all think? <<<<< S P O I L E R If anybody resembles Neville Chamberlain, it's Cornelius Fudge. I sincerely hope OUR Neville was not named after the British politician who failed to take strong enough action against the rise of Hitler. I think OUR Neville (Longbottom) has a very important role to play in the future of Harry Potter, and that he will prove himself worthy of his House (Gryffindor) and his parents. From heiditandy at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 17:02:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:02:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/James Potter/Lily/Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5194 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Voldemort/James Potter/Lily/Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5158] Voldemort/James Potter Date: 7/27/00 1:02 pm (ET) What I've recently been suspecing is that James was an only child, and his parents (a witch & a wizard) were earlier victims of Voldemort & the Death Eaters (as Dave Barry says, a good name for a rock band (NOT!)). However, it's hard for me to believe that the Potter-side Grandparents were both only children as well, and if they weren't, then Harry might have some great aunts & uncles out there somewhere, unless THEY were all killed, which I find somewhat improbable. I don't know, maybe they have to be 1st degree relatives (aunt/uncle) for the "old magic" protection to manifest and that's why any great aunts & uncles wouldn't fit the bill. The other thing I've been wondering is, were Lily and Petunia twins? As the mother of a young child, with lots of friends in the same "state", it's kind of unusual for siblings who are more than a year or so apart in age, and hwo have children while in their 20's (which is an assumption I am making) to have *eldest* children within 4 months of each other, as Harry & Dudley are. From badgerskin at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 17:24:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5195 From: badgerskin Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5193] Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Date: 7/27/00 1:24 pm (ET) I agree that "our" Neville will have a defining role to play. As I reread SS, I was struck by how Neville seemed to be "around" more than I recall from first reading; a good deal of effort was put into his character in SS, only to have him fade into minor-characterdom in the later books. It seems that we would not need to know so much about him now, unless he had a much bigger role later. No idea what such role might be. badgers'kin From shellymoos at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 17:29:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:29:00 -0400 Subject: Just a thought. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5196 From: shellymoos Subject: Just a thought. Date: 7/27/00 1:29 pm (ET) Hi all. I was thinking today about birthdays. Now Harry's birthday is always mentioned, and as we all know is at the end of July. It has been a big deal in the last couple of books, and I'm not saying that is wrong. Harry always had lousy birthdays till the big one at 11. But if Ron and Hermione are his best friends how come it is never brought up about theirs? I know they have families that care for them and make theirs special Im sure but still you would think Harry would like to make a big deal of it also since they try to do it for him. Of course they and Hagrid are the only ones who do do something for Harry on his birthday. Later Shelly From lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 17:49:00 2000 From: lady_emerlyn at yahoo.com (lady_emerlyn) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: Hey was I removed? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5197 From: lady_emerlyn Subject: Re: Hey was I removed? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5114] Re: Hey was I removed? Date: 7/27/00 1:49 pm (ET) Let's leave it to Yahoo to confuse an internet Junkie. My email was fine 5 minutes ago and now they can't find their own site. I guess that it was just Yahoo being yahoo. Thanks for your concern Jess From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:22:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:22:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort/James Potter/Lily/Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5198 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Voldemort/James Potter/Lily/Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5194] Re: Voldemort/James Potter/Lily/Petunia Date: 7/27/00 2:22 pm (ET) heiditandy wrote: Date: 7/27/00 1:02 pm The other thing I've been wondering is, were Lily and Petunia twins? As the mother of a young child, with lots of friends in the same "state", it's kind of unusual for siblings who are more than a year or so apart in age, and hwo have children while in their 20's (which is an assumption I am making) to have *eldest* children within 4 months of each other, as Harry & Dudley are. Since we know nothing about this its all speculation...but I'll wade in anyway....who's older Lily or Petunia. One of them...the older one could have waited a bit before having children...my brother in law is 5 years older than my husband, yet we have kids the same age... There is nothing to indicate they were twins and even if they were they would not necessarily have children at the same time any more so than sisters who were not twins....then there is me and my sister ...we are only 16 months apart...but her kids are 16 and 17, while mine are 1,4, and 7....go figure... cj From badgerskin at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:27:00 2000 From: badgerskin at yahoo.com (badgerskin) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Just a thought. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5199 From: badgerskin Subject: Re: Just a thought. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5196] Just a thought. Date: 7/27/00 2:27 pm (ET) Another area that is similar to this is the Christmas Holiday - Harry always gets something from Ron, Hermione, Hagrid, even the Dursleys send him SOMETHING - but we never hear what Harry gets them. He DOES have ALOT of money, it just seems like he might be helping his friends out a little more (more Ron than Hermione, I guess, since both of her parents are dentist$) badgerskin From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:31:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5200 From: triner2001 Subject: Handwriting Date: 7/27/00 2:31 pm (ET) Just as the 1st post regarding handwriting analysis hit here, I got my Biography magazine and lo! and behold! There's an article on Bart Baggett (what an HP-type name, eh) who is a Handwriting analyst! Here's what he says about certain handwriting traits. Dots on lowercase i and j are close to the stem: attentive to details, observant, good memory M's and n's slant downward to the right: diplomatic and tactful Flourish or wavy beginning strokes in word: good sense of humor Lowercase t starts at top and curves down to the right without a beginning upstroke: direct, don't like being slowed down by others High ending stroke: crave recognition and like to be the center of attention T-bar crossed predominately on left side of stem: tendency to procrastinate Looped stems of lowercase t and d: the d means you're sensitive to crticism about physical self while the t relates to your ideas Second hump of m and n higher than 1st: self-conscious and worry what strangers think Lowercase p starts with a high beginning stroke, then breaks away from stem: argumentative, enjoy debating Leftward slant: introverted and seldom express emotions Tight, closed or almost closed loop beginnig loop on uppercase letters: Jealous, possessive and fear abandonment I'll try to see if the article is online. Trina From triner2001 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:41:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5201 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: Handwriting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5200] Handwriting Date: 7/27/00 2:41 pm (ET) Well, the article is mentioned, but you can't read it in its entirety. Oh, well. It's the August issue, if anyone is interested. But during my search, www.biography.com does have a short bio on Jo. Just go to the above and click on JKRowling. Trina From golden_faile at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:52:00 2000 From: golden_faile at yahoo.com (golden_faile) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:52:00 -0400 Subject: Just a thought. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5202 From: golden_faile Subject: Re: Just a thought. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5199] Re: Just a thought. Date: 7/27/00 2:52 pm (ET) Harry got Ron a hat, with his favorite teams logo, and Ron was extremely sensitive about that later on,felt that Harry should not have gotten it for him. From brp13 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 18:53:00 2000 From: brp13 at yahoo.com (brp13) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:53:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5203 From: brp13 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5188] Harry Potter Book 5 Date: 7/27/00 2:53 pm (ET) Pre-ordering #5 already... What is this world coming to? Book 4 started over 6 months in advance, and that was plenty... Book 5 with 11 months advance notice is just a bit too much... From davehoz at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 19:30:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:30:00 -0400 Subject: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5204 From: davehoz Subject: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Reply To: [Yahoo! #5199] Re: Just a thought. Date: 7/27/00 3:30 pm (ET) JKR bends over backwards in GoF to emphasize Harry's generosity. I can't *believe* his supposed stinginess is *still* an issue...! From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 19:52:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:52:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5205 From: joywitch999 Subject: chapter and character discussions Date: 7/27/00 3:52 pm (ET) I just wanted to say thanks to Penny for scheduling the chapter and character discussions. I also wanted to add my 2 cents to the timing question. I think we should continue to do them once per week, rather than more often. After all, we have a lot of time to kill between now and next July! Also, there is just so much traffic on this group that it can be hard to keep up, so you need at least a week (I do anyway) to reread the chapter, think about this weeks character, and decide if you have anything to say. For example, it is Thursday already and this is the first chance Ive had to think about this weeks character, Percy Weasley. So I will now add some s p o i l e r s p a c e (how long are we going to keep doing this?) I have never like Percy; he is just SO pompous and stuck-up. It is striking how different he is from the rest of the Weasleys, who seem to all (even to some extent Molly) be a really fun-loving bunch. The bit about him being all self-important about his report on cauldron thickness was just TOO funny. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the future with Percy -- will he stick to the rules and do what Fudge tells him too, or will he help the rest of his family fight Voldy? I think that Percys principles and moral values will be challenged, possibly for the first time in his life, in the next 3 books. Should be interesting. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 19:56:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:56:00 -0400 Subject: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5206 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Reply To: [Yahoo! #5204] Beating a Dead Hippogriff Date: 7/27/00 3:56 pm (ET) >>>JKR bends over backwards in GoF to emphasize Harry's generosity. I can't *believe* his supposed stinginess is *still* an issue...! Yeh, really, folks! Harry buys each of his friends omnioculars, after all, which cost 10 galleons each. Based on the possible wizard/muggle money exchanges rates I posted a few weeks ago (it was this group, wasnt it?), 10 galleons is at least $50! From lizabee_uk at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 20:49:00 2000 From: lizabee_uk at yahoo.com (lizabee_uk) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: Capter discusions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5207 From: lizabee_uk Subject: Capter discusions Date: 7/27/00 4:49 pm (ET) Has Ch 31 been taken? If not could i do that 1 Thanks Lizabee From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 20:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5208 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Reply To: [Yahoo! #5206] Re: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Date: 7/27/00 4:51 pm (ET) Hi: Not to continue to beat a dead hippogriff but . . . I feel I must chime in since I was one of the ones who originally started the whole Harry is a cheapskate thread many moons ago. Maybe you haven't read GoF yet, but there are repeated instances of Harry's generosity to his friends. The expensive omnioculars that Joywitch mentioned, the cauldron cakes on the Hogwarts Express and Christmas gifts for Ron & Hermione. I think JKR definitely did bend over backwards to correct the misperception that Harry was tight with his wealth. Also on birthdays -- Hermione's birthday is in September (see PoA when she uses her birthday money to buy Crookshanks). I guess we don't know Ron's birthday as yet. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 20:57:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: More Chapters Taken Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5209 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More Chapters Taken Date: 7/27/00 4:57 pm (ET) Hi: Here's today's update on chapters taken -- Chapter 12 -- Dursleys -- Prof Dumbledore (Dennis & Diann) Note: Melanie pointed out that I forgot the Dursleys so if Anna doesn't object, I thought we could move Profs Binns & Flitwick to the other minor professors (Sprout, Pomfrey, Hooch & Sinistra) -- corresponding to Chapter 11. I know we'll all want to discuss the Dursleys. Also Chapter 31 -- Hagrid -- lizabee In case you're wondering what's left at this point -- Melanie (Ravenclawlady) has graciously prepared a list of chapter & character discussion assignments, and it will be added to the FAQs (the link is on the club's homepage). I think it will be available for viewing later today. In short, I've still got Chapters 13, 15, 16, 20, 21, 24, 25, 33, 34, 35 & 37. Thanks again for participating! Penny From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 21:01:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:01:00 -0400 Subject: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5210 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Reply To: [Yahoo! #5208] Re: Beating a Dead Hippogriff Date: 7/27/00 5:01 pm (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E >>>>Maybe you haven't read GoF yet, but there are repeated instances of Harry's generosity to his friends. <<<< Don't forget his final donation to Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes. He shows a remarkably mature foresight when he tells the twins that he wants the money used to provide some much-needed laughs in the future. [Granted, we know he didn't want to have anything to do with the prize money, but I was pleased to read what he did with it, including the anonymous donation to the "Ron Weasley dress robes fund". From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 21:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Friendly Reminders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5211 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Friendly Reminders Date: 7/27/00 5:04 pm (ET) Hi: SPOILERS FOR GOF: I think we should continue the spoiler warnings & spoiler space for awhile longer -- maybe until August 1st. Does anyone object to discontinuing spoilers as of that date? For those that are new & don't know (I've seen a few lapses), for GoF only, we're supposed to being using Spoiler Warning in the Subject Line (and don't put anything substantive in your subject line -- does no good to say "Spoiler Warning -- Dumbledore's Death" in the subject line). You should put some nonsensical verbage at the beginning of your message, and then plenty of spoiler space before posting your thoughts on GoF. Don't put just the spoiler space however, as the beginning lines of your spoiler will appear on the homepage for awhile. CLUB ETIQUETTE Just a friendly reminder for the newcomers that we are a cohesive & courteous group -- no SHOUTING, flaming and the like if you please. We can all express our *opinions* without being rude, insensitive or a know-it-all. Check out the Club FAQs (prepared by Ravenclawlady) if you haven't already -- she's done a great job of describing the purpose of the club and setting out some basic FAQs about our members & how we like to discuss HP. The link is on the Club homepage. Thanks!!! Penny From sage016 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 21:09:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:09:00 -0400 Subject: Just a thought. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5212 From: sage016 Subject: Re: Just a thought. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5199] Re: Just a thought. Date: 7/27/00 5:09 pm (ET) i always wondered that about the christmas gifts too. hmm -kristen- From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 21:25:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:25:00 -0400 Subject: More Chapters Taken Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5213 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: More Chapters Taken Reply To: [Yahoo! #5209] More Chapters Taken Date: 7/27/00 5:25 pm (ET) <<Note: Melanie pointed out that I forgot the Dursleys so if Anna doesn't object, I thought we could move Profs Binns & Flitwick to the other minor professors (Sprout, Pomfrey, Hooch & Sinistra) -- corresponding to Chapter 11. I know we'll all want to discuss the Dursleys. >> No probs here - it'll give me more to talk about! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 22:17:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: Schedule of chapter/character discussion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5214 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Schedule of chapter/character discussion Reply To: [Yahoo! #5209] More Chapters Taken Date: 7/27/00 6:17 pm (ET) <<In case you're wondering what's left at this point -- Melanie (Ravenclawlady) has graciously prepared a list of chapter & character discussion assignments, and it will be added to the FAQs (the link is on the club's homepage). I think it will be available for viewing later today.>> It's ready! I have a link to it on the FAQ, but here is a more direct link: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html So no one has to search for this message later, I have also added it to the Club Links. Melanie From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 22:19:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:19:00 -0400 Subject: US English (again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5215 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: US English (again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5144] US English (again) Date: 7/27/00 6:19 pm (ET) DISCLAIMER: Yes, I am an American. It makes me crazy how Americans want everything tailored to their lifestyles. We know so little about the world around us. To tell you the truth, there are still a lot of things that I don't understand. For example, what on earth is a knickerbocker glory? Best wishes, Kaitlin From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 22:21:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5216 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: HELP!!! Date: 7/27/00 6:21 pm (ET) I would just like to know how people keep up with the messages around here???? Does anyone honestly read them all??? I work full time, so my Internet time is limited. Any tips for keeping up with all the great discussion? ~Kaitlin From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 22:40:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: US English (again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5217 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: US English (again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5215] Re: US English (again) Date: 7/27/00 6:40 pm (ET) << For example, what on earth is a knickerbocker glory?>> It's a really big ice cream sundae. Not quite sure exactly what it has in it, but certainly lots of ice cream and sauce and nuts and ... mmm, my mouth is watering. ~Blaise. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Jul 27 23:04:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: New Co-Founder Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5218 From: plinsenmayer Subject: New Co-Founder Date: 7/27/00 7:04 pm (ET) Hi: I'm thrilled to announce that Melanie (aka Ravenclawlady) has agreed to be a co-founder of this club with me. She's the one who created the FAQs page, including the recent chapter & character discussion table. The Club FAQs in fact reside on her webpage. If you've not looked at these yet, I really recommend you visit the page(s). They're great! She's contributed so much to our discussions over the last few months - I know I always enjoy her insightful comments! Plus, I hasten to add that it'll be nice to have someone with some technical proficiency -- makes up for my own shortcomings. Thanks again Melanie -- Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:05:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:05:00 -0400 Subject: US English (again) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5219 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: US English (again) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5217] Re: US English (again) Date: 7/27/00 8:05 pm (ET) << For example, what on earth is a knickerbocker glory?>> Blaise said: "It's a really big ice cream sundae" I remember posting a reply to this question ages ago (chances of finding that reply = slightly above zero) and commenting on the fact that the tall serving glass resembles the leg of a knickerbocker (origin of knickers = pants), and that knickerbocker was also a British nickname for early New Yorkers. Conclusion: the British of the time felt that a Knickerbocker Glory was a typical American-style dessert. Irony: the Americans of today have never heard of a Knickerbocker Glory. All this reminds me of the British ad campaign for the wine Le Piat D'Or (in the days when British people tended to touch wine only with a lengthy bargepole). The tag line was "The French adore Le Piat D'Or!" Connoisseurs of wine (and my parents) rushed out to buy this authentic taste of France. However, not only did the French not "adore" Le Piat D'Or, they didn't drink it either; it was all exported to Britain. When it comes to questions that come around time and again, it would be cool to put together an HP FAQ, so that people can just refer to that. Either that, or keep a list of the # of messages containing significant info... Maybe I'll start jotting message #s down. Neil, who is amused by the fact that he can throw Americans by saying he's wearing pants and a vest and turning up in his underwear. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: HELP!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5220 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: HELP!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5216] HELP!!! Date: 7/27/00 8:18 pm (ET) <<I would just like to know how people keep up with the messages around here???? Does anyone honestly read them all???>> Well, I do *look* at them all, but some get skimmed. Sometimes it's difficult to reply in detail to the complex plot-related posts, so I end up posting things about French wine and knickers, topics which just roll off the brain. Of course, I really *should* sit down, do my homework, and comment on the books sometime soon :) The only advice I have is to be selective, but I am unable to follow that advice myself so what do I know? Neil PS - It's great to hear that Melanie has become a co-founder of the club. I second Penny's suggestion that new people take a look at the club FAQ on Melanie's site (in the links). Also, we should all thank Penny for keeping such understated control of us rabble on her own for so long. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:29:00 -0400 Subject: Scotland - I went there today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5221 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Scotland - I went there today Date: 7/27/00 8:29 pm (ET) I flew to Edinburgh today to check out all the likely locations for Hogwarts, and while I was there I managed to slot in a meeting with some clients. Edinburgh is beautiful, partly because most of the buildings are fashioned from vibrant beige stones (don't ask me what they are - ironstone?) and have wonderful towers, castellations and other architectural bits and bobs. I saw one college in lush green grounds, with four square turrets, but it wasn't on a hill. Then, of course, there *is* Edinburgh Castle itself, which is clearly on a high hilltop and which has a very fairytale hotchpotch look about it. It is rather centrally located, close to local amenities and in need of some work, but the style is just right for Hogwarts. This slender material is my evidence for the fact that Hogwarts is just outside Edinburgh, behind some particularly large trees... Neil From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:37:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:37:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5222 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 8:37 pm (ET) Hey, I was visiting Scholastic's website today, and I found a pronunciation guide for the tough words in HP: http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/pronunciation/play.htm When you click on the words, a voice tells you how to pronounce them. It's really cute because when you click on the last word, "Voldemort," it says, "Shhhh...He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named." From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:39:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:39:00 -0400 Subject: Scotland - I went there today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5223 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Scotland - I went there today Reply To: [Yahoo! #5221] Scotland - I went there today Date: 7/27/00 8:39 pm (ET) Hi: <<<I flew to Edinburgh today to check out all the likely locations for Hogwarts, and while I was there I managed to slot in a meeting with some clients.>>> Ooh, I'm so jealous! I *love* Edinburgh. Once you see it, it's so easy to see how living there inspired JKR in writing the HP books (yeah, I know she was initially inspired while stuck on a train somewhere in England, but she *wrote* the books in Edinburgh). Edinburgh, it seems, has inspired a good many authors & poets -- Robert Burns, James Boswell, Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson Arthur Conan Doyle, J.M. Barrie. Ah -- when can I go back?? Penny From kturnbou at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:43:00 2000 From: kturnbou at yahoo.com (kturnbou) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5224 From: kturnbou Subject: Book 5 Date: 7/27/00 8:43 pm (ET) Any guesses about the story for book 5? I know we have until July 2001 to wait but it is nice to dream. From salter15 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 00:45:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:45:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5225 From: salter15 Subject: Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Reply To: [Yahoo! #5222] Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 8:45 pm (ET) That is so cool!!! It really cleared up how to say the names and stuff, I was way off on some of them. Thanks Janet From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 01:03:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:03:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5226 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Reply To: [Yahoo! #5222] Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 9:03 pm (ET) <whinge> I'm sure that "Rubeus" wouldn't be pronounced "rooBAYuss" in British English. </whinge> > It's really cute because when you click on the last word, "Voldemort," it > says, "Shhhh...He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named." And THEN, if you click it again, it says "You-Know-Who"...and eventually "VOLE-de-more". Fantastic! --John From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 01:20:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:20:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5227 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Reply To: [Yahoo! #5222] Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 9:20 pm (ET) Another neat thing is the main Harry Potter page, where a little trail of stars follows your cursor around. Wheeeeee! http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/ From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 02:27:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:27:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5228 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Reply To: [Yahoo! #5226] Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 10:27 pm (ET) I think these had a bit of JK's input. Her pronounciation of "Rubeus" is the same. From blitzen_thereindeer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 02:33:00 2000 From: blitzen_thereindeer at yahoo.com (blitzen_thereindeer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5229 From: blitzen_thereindeer Subject: Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Reply To: [Yahoo! #5228] Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/27/00 10:33 pm (ET) That was a great page! My sister and I have had a long going fight about how to pronounce Hermione. Hers was closer :P I pronounced it Hermy-wan... *star wars freak* hehe... Thanks, though, for clearing that up! Blitzen From dirranecor at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 02:34:00 2000 From: dirranecor at yahoo.com (dirranecor) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:34:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5230 From: dirranecor Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5176] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/27/00 10:34 pm (ET) I am in Massachusettes, USA. I guess stores here are putting them out early. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 03:14:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5231 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5230] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/27/00 11:14 pm (ET) What mall? I'm in southern mass...near RI... (I wanted a hogwarts t-shirt for my son's bday) cj From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 03:36:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: Lupin (was: Previous Chapters ) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5232 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Lupin (was: Previous Chapters ) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5126] Re: Previous Chapters (big-time spoilers Date: 7/27/00 11:36 pm (ET) >Well, I get the feeling Lupin is quite a bit older then either Sirrus or James. (snip) I get the feeling his admission was delayed by quite a while because he was a werewolf. I personally don't think his admission was delayed. I think Dumbledore made the arrangements in advance, so no need for delay. However, JKR as narrator made specific statements that Lupin looked older than his age, had aged due to his troubles, etc, so it is proper that he would seem older. s p o i l e r s p a c > I'm quite surprised there was so little about Lupin in book 4. I'm quite DISAPPOINTED there was so little about Lupin in book 4. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 03:39:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5233 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5178] Re: Race in HP/name origins + Allusions? Date: 7/27/00 11:39 pm (ET) > Furthermore, on the subject of the Patil twins, I had always assumed that Parvati's name was an allusion to the character of Parvati, a witch in Salman Rushdie's excellent Midnight's Children, which is set in India and Pakistan. Any thoughts? Parvati is the name of a major Hindu goddess. Parvati (called Gauri, the Golden) and Kali (who is black) are two aspects of Shiva's consort. Parvati is not an uncommon given name for girls. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 03:43:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:43:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5234 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5182] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 11:43 pm (ET) > And if we went by hair-color, we might end up with Lily and Petunia Malfoy, since both Dudley and Draco (and Petunia) are blonde ! And *that* would be disgusting !! I think Petunia and Narcissa are *perfectly* suited to be sisters, both in appearance and in similar personalities! > And I can assure you that you are definitely NOT the only gullible one ! There are at least 2 of us ! Make that three -- I have *yet* to predict correctly where a JKR plot is going! She always surprises me! > A plus ! It took me a couple of days to catch on that you were saying ah ploo rather than giving a grade, A+. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 03:54:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5235 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5234] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/27/00 11:54 pm (ET) Hi: Had to comment on this one -- <<<> A plus ! It took me a couple of days to catch on that you were saying ah ploo rather than giving a grade, A+.>>>> It took me more than a few posts as well to figure out that she wasn't giving herself an A+ for her well written post. <vbg> Penny (sheepish) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 04:02:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:02:00 -0400 Subject: Scotland - I went there today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5236 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Scotland - I went there today Reply To: [Yahoo! #5221] Scotland - I went there today Date: 7/28/00 12:02 am (ET) > I flew to Edinburgh today to check out all the likely locations for Hogwarts, and while I was there I managed to slot in a meeting with some clients. Oooh, I wish I could con my job like that. We tried to get a weekend in Vancouver BC out of them, and somehow it turned into a week-long exile to South Carolina! (much more distant, much more expensive, worse weather, and not the home of my friend Casey). hpa msg # 1193, 1197 and 1287 (which come from our babynick) (e-groups DOES have a search feature) From: Nick Mitchell <nick at n...> Date: Fri Mar 24, 2000 11:22pm Subject: Hogwarts Could one of these be Hogwarts? http://www.scottscastles.com/ballencrieff.html Look at the picture... there are not 7 turrets, but it could well be what Hogwarts is based on, as it's not far from Jo's home. It has a "The Great Hall". The Hall with its large fireplace makes a splendid setting for functions, seating up to 60 guests. So... how many pupils do you think there are at Hogwarts at a time? 60 sounds a good number to me! From: Nick Mitchell <nick at n...> Date: Fri Mar 24, 2000 11:55pm Subject: Re: Hogwarts Could Ballencrieff be Hogwarts? The exact location is known and produces the following Sunrise/Sunset. September 1st 1999 Sunset - 19:03 Mid June (do we know the date when Hermione went back in time?) 19th June 1999 Sunset - 20:51 But... a train today would only take 4 and a half hours to get from Kings Cross to Edinburgh - though what's to say that the Steam Train used in the books goes the same speed as the trains today! From: Nick Mitchell <nick at n...> Date: Wed Apr 5, 2000 11:32pm Subject: Another Hogwart possibility? Hi all How about this Scotish Castle... http://www.zikzak.net/~druid/EileanDonan.html I wonder if it could pass for being Hogwarts? From bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 04:22:00 2000 From: bostonlsu81 at yahoo.com (bostonlsu81) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5237 From: bostonlsu81 Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5234] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/28/00 12:22 am (ET) <snip> And I can assure you that you are definitely NOT the only gullible one ! There are at least 2 of us ! Make that three -- I have *yet* to predict correctly where a JKR plot is going! She always surprises me! <\snip> I'm zero for four in picking out the bad guy in the books so far. The surprising thing is that my nine year old son is much closer to figuring out the mystery in book 4 than I ever was ... .. . . S P o i l e r s p a c e . . . We were reading Chapter 28 (The Madness of Mr. Crouch) when he yelled out "I know who it is -- Voldemort used the polyjuice potion to become Crouch and put Harry's name in the Goblet." He'll still be surprised by the actual ending, but I'm sure that he'll claim that he almost had it solved based on this statement! :0} From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 04:22:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:22:00 -0400 Subject: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5238 From: jenP_97 Subject: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5234] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/28/00 12:22 am (ET) Um... perhaps a minor spoiler space is needed? l a l a l a c o n n e c t t h e d o t s >>I think Petunia and Narcissa are *perfectly* suited to be sisters, both in appearance and in similar personalities!<< You know, I just had a thought... Although Narcissa could easlily be meant to mean "someone narcissistic, or vain", there IS the *flower* named Narcissus... so WHAT IF (dot dot dot...) What if Narcissa is a member of Lily and Petunia's (flower-named) family??? Okay, I know, it's a stretch. First of all, I realize that Petunia only goes on and on about Lily, and I know that the Malfoys (namely Lucius) would NEVER marry a muggle-born witch, and lalala, you don't have to get all Hermione on me... I just figured that since lots of people were giving out their wacky theories, I'd give you one of mine (that I just thought up and started writing down before I realized what was wrong with it... hehehe). Jen Ps. Neil, if you ever show up at my house or anything just wearing your "pants and vest" combo, I'll... um... do something drastic! :P From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 04:24:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:24:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5239 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Date: 7/28/00 12:24 am (ET) Most Wednesday nights, I go visit my friend Lee. The previous Wednesday, she had borrowed all my HP books(feeling a need to reread), but I couldn't take them back last night as her husband had decided to borrow them now. Lee said it's about time we meet some nice Slytherins, since just being ambitious doesn't mean a person has to be evil, there are some ambitious people who are nice. (And some courageous people (possible Gryffindors) who are evil.) I told her this had come up on e-mail-lists and passed on the idea I'd read that James and his friends will turn out to have been Slytherins. Lee was quite sure that somewhere in SS, Hagrid had told Harry "Gryffindor was your father's House", but we couldn't find that quote despite long leafing through the book, to the great annoyance of her husband, from whose hands we had taken it. Further, Lee showed signs of disgust at the assumption that all four friends must have been in the same House. She said she wanted them to have been in all different Houses, showing that their friendship was stronger than 'that stupid House system'. I asked if she thought James had been in Gryffindor, Sirius in Slytherin, Remus in Ravenclaw, and Peter in Hufflepuff (oh, up to them it was alliterating!). She thought: > Maybe: > James - Gryffinder > Peter - Ravenclaw (showing the evil potential of intelligence?) > Sirius - Hufflepuff (shows great loyalty to friend's son?) > Lupin - Slytherin (required ambition to get into Hogwarts despite rules?) > > I'm not sure about any of this except the first: I just like the poetry of four friends from the four houses. And perhaps that turning someone into an Animage required bits of wisdom that came from all four houses. I don't think Peter ever showed any signs of intelligence, or studiousness, or bookishness (the latter is what I think Ravenclaw is looking for), altho' we never saw him show any signs of Gryffindor courage either: he was a scaredy rat. I think Lee is wrong about Hufflepuff's virtue being loyalty; I think Hufflepuff's virtue is hard work (which many writers would have heroized in a very annoying way rather than making fun of). From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 04:32:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Dumbldore SMALL SPOILER/Lee Anne Says Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5240 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Dumbldore SMALL SPOILER/Lee Anne Says Date: 7/28/00 12:32 am (ET) this is a spoiler space but a small one since this is a tiny spoiler: REMEMBER, AT END OF BOOK ONE, Harry asked Dumbledore what *he* saw in the Mirror of Erised and Dumbledore said he saw nice clean warm socks and Harry asked how can socks be anyone's heart's desire and Dumbledore said a person can never have too many socks? Lee says House Elves also love socks [I corrected her, we have seen only one House Elf, Dobby, being obsessed with socks] and therefore Dumbledore must be a House Elf. She says: Dumbledore says the Mirror of Erised would show him himself holding two socks. He is therefore a house elf who's shapechanged to human, and it's illegal for him to use a wand. And he wants to be free. This explains his willingness to hire free house elves. It also explains why he wants to keep Dementors out of Hogwarts: they make him too depressed -- because he's guilty of running away from his master. Probably Nicholas Flammel helped him escape his master. But who's his master? A Death Eater? The former headmaster of Hogwarts? The Slytherin family (which would mean Riddle)? And oh yes, if house elves work for no money, how come the Weaselys can't afford one? House elves must need something that poor families can't afford but that richer folk can. Perhaps they eat Galleons. --Lee From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:05:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:05:00 -0400 Subject: Lupin (was: Previous Chapters ) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5241 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Lupin (was: Previous Chapters ) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5232] Re: Lupin (was: Previous Chapters ) Date: 7/28/00 1:05 am (ET) <<However, JKR as narrator made specific statements that Lupin looked older than his age, had aged due to his troubles, etc, so it is proper that he would seem older.>> I pictured him around my age or slightly older (early to mid-thirties). BTW, I think when JKR referred to him as "quite young" (on the Hogwarts Express in POA), that was her own or the omnicient point of view sneaking in (rather than Harry's). How many people do you know, of any age, who will qualify one of their parents' peers as "quite young"? Just my two knutes. Melanie From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:08:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:08:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5242 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5234] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/28/00 1:08 am (ET) Minor spoiler, ladida ladida ladida! M I N O R S P O I L E R <<I think Petunia and Narcissa are *perfectly* suited to be sisters, both in appearance and in similar personalities!>> LOL! I'd never made the connection, but you're right! Melanie From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:09:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:09:00 -0400 Subject: Great pages, Ravenclawlady! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5243 From: Danemead Subject: Great pages, Ravenclawlady! Date: 7/28/00 1:09 am (ET) I just revisited your HP pages again, Ravenclawlady, and want to compliment you again! In addition to a beautiful layout (love that castle!), the pages are fun, clear, and informative. I got a nice chuckle from the music page... especially the professors' favorite songs! And the HP4 Poll results were interesting -- looks like we made almost 100% wrong guesses on all the questions! LOL! Next time we'll have to remember to include a "character not yet introduced" for a choice! http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/ From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:46:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: Me in Scotland ...and money Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5244 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Reply To: [Yahoo! #5236] Re: Scotland - I went there today Date: 7/28/00 1:46 am (ET) <<> I flew to Edinburgh today to check out all the likely locations for Hogwarts, and while I was there I managed to slot in a meeting with some clients.>> <<<<Oooh, I wish I could con my job like that.>>>> Okay, I admit that I *really* went for the blasted meeting, but the tediom of that was offset by romantic thoughts about Hogwarts. I also went to a cash machine and came away with three Scottish ten pound notes! Hurray! These are legal tender in Britain, but only if you want to exchange them for three English ten pound notes at a recognised bank. If you want to exchange them for food, clothing, luxury goods or a taxi ride, they might as well be Galleons. That leads me on to a thought [as I scrape 'I WILL BE ON TOPIC' x 5000 on my blackboard]. Just in case.... p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p Harry his this stack of gold, silver and bronze sitting in his Gringotts' vault, but what does he do for money in the Muggle world? The answer seems to be that he lives on the generosity (yeah, right) of the Dursleys. Unless he likes having a frugal, monastic existence, why doesn't he exchange a gold Galleon or two for muggle cash? Does the magical gold turn to base metal if transferred to muggleland, or disappear after a while, like Leprachaun gold? Is this quandary mentioned anywhere? Neil From vderark at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:48:00 2000 From: vderark at yahoo.com (vderark) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: Number of students at Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5245 From: vderark Subject: Number of students at Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #5236] Re: Scotland - I went there today Date: 7/28/00 1:48 am (ET) > how many pupils do you think there are at > Hogwarts at a time? 60 sounds a good number > to me! There are hundreds, according to the books (during his sorting, Harry sees "hundreds of faces" looking at him). Each year in each house seems to have ten, five boys and five girls. I doubt that it always works out that way exactly, depending on the sorting, but that's a pretty good approximation. When Harry and his fellow first years had their first flying lesson with the Slytherin first years, there were twenty brooms lying on the grass ready for them. So that makes seventy students per house for a total of 280 students, give or take a few. Steve The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon Steve Vander Ark Library Media Specialist Byron Center, Michigan From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 05:50:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:50:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Book 5 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5246 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5192] Re: Harry Potter Book 5 Date: 7/28/00 1:50 am (ET) Amazon Germany has had Book five for sale for some time... even though they can't make deliveries on Goblet yet. They have an ISDN number for it. Perhaps Amazon US thinks they should wait until Rowling starts writing it. My German is rusty but here is what their web page has to say about it. Harry Potter. (Bd. 5). ( Ab 10 J.) Joanne K. Rowling Preis: DM 28,00 EUR 14,31 Lesestufe: 10-12 Jahre Gebundene Ausgabe (2000) Carlsen, Hamburg; ISBN: 3551551944 Noch nicht verf'gbar: Sie k'nnen diesen Titel trotzdem schon jetzt bestellen. Wir werden Ihnen den Titel versenden, sobald er beim Verlag erschienen ist. Amazon.de Verkaufsrang 16 From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 06:00:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:00:00 -0400 Subject: GoF Surprise Ending SPOILER/Lee Anne Sez Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5247 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: GoF Surprise Ending SPOILER/Lee Anne Sez Date: 7/28/00 2:00 am (ET) i have to make a big spoiLer space for a big spOiler This is a question that many people asked when they reached the surprise ending of Goblet of Fire: Lee: I find myself wondering why Death Eater Moody would work so hard at teaching Harry how to resist the Imperius curse. Me: Lots of people asked that in the e-mail-lists. I wasn't the only person who answered that Croody/Mouch had to teach the stuff that Dumbledore had told him to teach, to avoid rousing suspicion. Lee: It's out of character for *Dumbledore* to want the students taught curses. Me: In order to defend against them. Lee: That's what fake Moody said, but we can't take his word for anything. I won't believe that Dumbledore told him to teach curses unti I see someone reliable tell me so. Me: O.k.a.y, what's y.o.u.r theory? Lee: He and Riddle both seem concerned about fighting honorably. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 06:07:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:07:00 -0400 Subject: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5248 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5238] Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Date: 7/28/00 2:07 am (ET) m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m <<What if Narcissa is a member of Lily and Petunia's (flower-named) family???>> I like that theory! Hmmmm. Evidence is mounting for Petunia being a squib, but it's odd that Narcissa wasn't mentioned as being Petunia's sister right at the beginning. The Dursley's make a huge fuss about "The Potters", but don't mention the "The Malfoys" in the same vein. Of course, we're assuming that Petunia has been honest with Vernon. She may have conveniently dropped one of her two witch sisters to make it appear that Lily was the 'mutant' rather than herself (as she would, otherwise, be the squib in a wizarding family). The flower names thing could be a big clue, especially as JKR uses names to give us clues. I'm reminded of "Keeping Up Appearances" - that pinnacle of British sitcoms - in which Hyacinth Bucket is the main character, but with sisters called Daisy, Violet and somethingorother. I'd assume JKR has better taste than to have been inspired by KUA, but television progs have a way of filtering into the consciousness... Neil Jen also said: <<Ps. Neil, if you ever show up at my house or anything just wearing your "pants and vest" combo, I'll... um... do something drastic! :P>> Call the police, no doubt! Perhaps, I should wear a jumper too...? From Danemead at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 06:26:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:26:00 -0400 Subject: Me in Scotland ...and money Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5249 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Reply To: [Yahoo! #5244] Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Date: 7/28/00 2:26 am (ET) In Book 2, Hermione's parents are in Gringott's exchanging muggle money for wizard money, so I would assume Harry could do the same. But would Harry want to have a lot of money when he's with the Dursleys? They might start to wonder where it came from. And another thing... I was amazed that Mrs. Weasley was granted access to Harry's vault to pick up cash for him. I wonder what kind of process they had to go thru to convince the goblins that she hadn't stolen his key. Hmmmmm >>>Harry his this stack of gold, silver and bronze sitting in his Gringotts' vault, but what does he do for money in the Muggle world? ... why doesn't he exchange a gold Galleon or two for muggle cash? ... Is this quandary mentioned anywhere? Neil <<<<< From blaise_42 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 08:12:00 2000 From: blaise_42 at yahoo.com (blaise_42) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:12:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting the Mauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5250 From: blaise_42 Subject: Re: Sorting the Mauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5239] Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Date: 7/28/00 4:12 am (ET) <<Further, Lee showed signs of disgust at the assumption that all four friends must have been in the same House. She said she wanted them to have been in all different Houses, showing that their friendship was stronger than 'that stupid House system'. I asked if she thought James had been in Gryffindor, Sirius in Slytherin, Remus in Ravenclaw, and Peter in Hufflepuff (oh, up to them it was alliterating!).>> <<She thought: Maybe: James - Gryffindor Peter - Ravenclaw (showing the evil potential of intelligence?) Sirius - Hufflepuff (shows great loyalty to friend's son?) Lupin - Slytherin (required ambition to get into Hogwarts despite rules?)>> Well, I don't think Remus is terribly ambitious. At least, that's not the image I get of him from PoA. He doesn't 'use any means to achive [his] ends,' or he'd try and cash in on being a werewolf. And I agree with you that Peter's not terribly bookish. <<I think Lee is wrong about Hufflepuff's virtue being loyalty; I think Hufflepuff's virtue is hard work (which many writers would have heroized in a very annoying way rather than making fun of).>> But the Sorting Hat does say that the people in Hufflepuff are 'just and loyal,' so you could well say that one of Hufflepuff's virtues is loyalty. Another sense would seem to be that of fair play - look at Cedric in GoF. Of course, hard work comes into it as well. But I still like the idea of all four being in different houses. Lessee... James - Gryffindor Sirius - Slytherin Remus - Hufflepuff Peter - Ravenclaw But that leaves Peter in Ravenclaw again. I like the idea of Sirius in Slytherin - his behaviour throughout PoA could perhaps be interpreted as 'using any means to achieve his ends' (e.g. going into Gryffindor tower with a knife, slashing the Fat Lady, carrying off Ron despite breaking his leg, etc.). Remus in Hufflepuff - well, he certainly has that sense of fair play; look at how he treats Neville in PoA. I suppose you could swop Remus and Peter around, but I think Remus is more likely to be in Hufflepuff than Peter. I like Hufflepuff. So I'm stuck now. Well, perhaps Peter was studious but not good at magic? Any more thoughts on this? ~Blaise From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 08:28:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:28:00 -0400 Subject: Other Book Recs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5251 From: anneinchicago Subject: Other Book Recs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5250] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 4:28 am (ET) will I ever catch up with the sheer volume of messages here? I doubt it. :-) Anyway, I long ago lost track of how many books are in this series, but here is another children's mystery/fantasy author. John Bellairs. The books feature three different children who find themselves involved in scary mysteries along with witches, warlocks, sorcerors, voodoo, monsters, you name it. The protagists are Rose Rita, Lewis Barnavelt (Rose and Lewis are the only two who have overlapping books. They are best friends), Johnny Dixon and Anthony Monday. Some titles are The House with A Clock in Its Walls, The Figure in The Shadows, The Spell of The Soceror's Skull and The Letter, The Witch and The Ring. I would not recommend the later, collaborative books, but the earlier are quite excellent, well-written and scary. anne in chicago From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 08:28:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:28:00 -0400 Subject: Other Book Recs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5252 From: anneinchicago Subject: Other Book Recs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5250] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 4:28 am (ET) will I ever catch up with the sheer volume of messages here? I doubt it. :-) Anyway, I long ago lost track of how many books are in this series, but here is another children's mystery/fantasy author. John Bellairs. The books feature three different children who find themselves involved in scary mysteries along with witches, warlocks, sorcerors, voodoo, monsters, you name it. The protagists are Rose Rita, Lewis Barnavelt (Rose and Lewis are the only two who have overlapping books. They are best friends), Johnny Dixon and Anthony Monday. Some titles are The House with A Clock in Its Walls, The Figure in The Shadows, The Spell of The Sorceror's Skull and The Letter, The Witch and The Ring. I would not recommend the later, collaborative books, but the earlier are quite excellent, well-written and scary. anne in chicago From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 08:30:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:30:00 -0400 Subject: Message Archiving Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5253 From: anneinchicago Subject: Message Archiving Date: 7/28/00 4:30 am (ET) Yahho has recently joined forces with Egroups so perhaps Yahhoo clubs will be merging as well. Egroups has many of the features people here have asked for including archive searches. anne in chicago From anneinchicago at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 08:34:00 2000 From: anneinchicago at yahoo.com (anneinchicago) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:34:00 -0400 Subject: Re Unusual Theories Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5254 From: anneinchicago Subject: Re Unusual Theories Date: 7/28/00 4:34 am (ET) Um, spoiler space? s p o i l e r s p a c e someone said: <<I'm really intrigued by the fact that people read the first chapter and thought the boy seen near the Riddle house was someone other than Tom Riddle jr. I just don't get it. We know who the victims are, we know that Tom Riddle hated his father with a passion, we know he fits the age and description. Why would anyone think of someone else? So I'd be interested to hear from the people who did. And whether you've given up the idea yet. (Just a reminder that Moody/Crouch jr. said later that one of the things he and Voldemort shared was the great joy of killing their own fathers.)>> Well, (and if this has already been mentioned I apologize), what if Harry went back in time to someone prevent something from occuring such as the Riddle massacre and was seen by the police? We do know people can go back in time. The only thing we don't kow is how far back. anne in chicago From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 09:40:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:40:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort / James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5255 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #5234] Re: Re : Voldemort / James Potter Date: 7/28/00 5:40 am (ET) Salut ! >> A plus ! >It took me a couple of days to catch on that you were saying ah ploo rather than giving a grade, A+. A+ ? Yeah, I should have known ... <sigh and g> But nope, it just means "see you" ! ah ploo ?? huh ? Do PS : as I come to think of it, A+ is the grade I would give the HP books, so maybe you were actually reading my mind ! From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 09:51:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:51:00 -0400 Subject: More Book Covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5256 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: More Book Covers Date: 7/28/00 5:51 am (ET) One thing I hate about the Yahoo club system is that they tell you there are new photos but there's no telling where they are. I've added a couple more book covers to the Covers Around the world set - those wacky Italians (I have to wonder if they are reading he same books as we are) and a cartoon from the Czech Republic under Funny HP Stuff. Although the cartoon is in Czech, you'll understand it. (It may have been originally in English and translated to Czech but this is where I found it.) If someone out there is interested in completeness in the cover collection I also have the cover for the Estonian edition of Stone (just like the American), the three Greek editions (just like the British), and the two South African editions in Afrikaaner (just like the American). From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 10:37:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:37:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting the Mauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5257 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: Sorting the Mauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5250] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 6:37 am (ET) Salut ! ( which BTW means Hi ) One Marauder per house ? I'm not sure that would be possible. For one, when and where would they have met ? The students seem to keep mostly to themselves inside each house : very few double classes (Potions with Slytherin, Herbology with Hufflepuff, do the Gryffindors even get to meet the Ravenclaws ? ), one table per house in the Hall for the meals, a specific common room for each house but no common room for the whole school. Of course, there's the library, the grounds, etc, but those places are not as handy as a common room where no teacher will come and bother you. Moreover, I don't even see *why* they would have had to find friends outside their own houses. Couldn't they find plenty of interesting people among their fellow house residents ? No need to go and look for them outside. After all, up to PoA ( I haven't read GoF yet ), the only example of intense *friendly* inter-house relationship is the Percy and Penelope affair, and that's romance, not friendship, big difference (strangers are always more attractive than neighbours, aren't they ?). So I don't find it likely that the Marauders would have been from different houses, even if the idea of "Four friends from four houses" appeals to me. But anyway, let's imagine that they did. How would I sort them ( but I am *not* a Thinking Cap !). Huummm.... OK ! Peter is the easiest IMO : no courage, no loyalty, not really sharp-minded since he needed all the help he could get from James and Sirius to become an Animagus, so the only thing left is ambition and *that* he has in great quantity : he did use any means to achieve his ends, including betraying his best friends ! So, Peter would be a Slytherin. Remus, now : courage yes, talent, quite a bit, but I think "just and loyal, patient, true and unafraid of toil" is just his description ! So Remus would very well fit in Hufflepuff. And we're left with James and Sirius. Both very courageous, very bright. Ah ah ! BUT when it comes to chivalry, James definitely takes the lead : Sirius *pushed* Snape into a near-fatal trap, while James *pulled* him out of it at his onw life's risk ! So James would be the Gryffindor and Sirius the Ravenclaw. James : Gryffindor Sirius : Ravenclaw Remus : Hufflepuff Peter : Slytherin Do From sage016 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 11:08:00 2000 From: sage016 at yahoo.com (sage016) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:08:00 -0400 Subject: AHHHHHHHH (very off topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5258 From: sage016 Subject: AHHHHHHHH (very off topic) Date: 7/28/00 7:08 am (ET) MY COMPUTER CRASHED LAST NIGHT AND IVE LOST EVERYTHING! sometimes i wonder WHY we keep our lives on the computer when stuff like this happens. -kristen- *very angry* From delwyn_march at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 11:19:00 2000 From: delwyn_march at yahoo.com (delwyn_march) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:19:00 -0400 Subject: AHHHHHHHH (very off topic) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5259 From: delwyn_march Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHH (very off topic) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5258] AHHHHHHHH (very off topic) Date: 7/28/00 7:19 am (ET) >sometimes i wonder WHY we keep our lives on the computer when stuff like this happens. Ever wondered if it wasn't *because* we keep our lives on the computer that stuff like this happens ? Murphy's law variant : the more important the content, the bigger the crash. Do From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 12:29:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:29:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5260 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5231] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 8:29 am (ET) You can order ALL the shirts, some coffee cups & a HOGWARTS notebook over at the warner bros online store (go to http://www.warnerbrothers.com) there's a whole Harry Potter section there - but it might take a while - I've heard of some distribution problems. I just wish they had things in smaller sizes - my one year old can wear his Quidditch t-shirt but it comes down to his KNEES From s_ings at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 13:32:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: Library catalogue (for sheryll) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5261 From: S_Ings Subject: Re: Library catalogue (for sheryll) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5096] Re: Library catalogue (for sheryll) Date: 7/28/00 9:32 am (ET) Kristen, Thanks for the tip on how to get the books at a good price. I've come up with a better idea (and why I didn't think of this before is beyond me!). I was my anniversary on the 26th - I'll ask for the books as my gift! Though Andy doesn't read them himself (and he's now the only one in the house who doesn't), I'm sure he can be persuaded - I'm thinking: nice romantic dinner, etc. That ought to do the trick. Sheryll From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 13:33:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:33:00 -0400 Subject: Other Book--Bellairs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5262 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Other Book--Bellairs Reply To: [Yahoo! #5251] Other Book Recs Date: 7/28/00 9:33 am (ET) Banging my head against the keyboard--I can't believe I forgot that ONE!!! Argh! I am going to have to look through my collection again. For those who like darker, more adult books, how about Tanith Lee? I recommend her Lords series. It's very adult, though... Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 13:37:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:37:00 -0400 Subject: Aurghhhh not again! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5263 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Aurghhhh not again! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5256] More Book Covers Date: 7/28/00 9:37 am (ET) Harry Potter Readings Banned AUCKLAND (Reuters) - A New Zealand school has banned teachers from reading aloud extracts of the resoundingly successful Harry Potter book series after a complaint about the books' references to wizardry and magic. Auckland's Birkenhead Primary School sent letters to parents advising installments from a series of four books would no longer be read aloud, but pupils could still read the books and discuss them in class, the New Zealand Herald reported on Thursday. One parent sent a letter to the school objecting to the ban. ``We should be encouraging children to read anything, provided it's not porn or gratuitous violence,'' the newspaper quoted Darrin McLay as saying. The school principal Nigel Bioletti, would not discuss what complaints the school had received about the books, but said the issue had been blown out of proportion. ``It's about allowing for the differences in parents' points of view,'' he said. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 13:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:41:00 -0400 Subject: More reading... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5264 From: GypsyCaine Subject: More reading... Date: 7/28/00 9:41 am (ET) Here's a link to get a book at a good price (will recommend pg13 with the book!) http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/34411807 From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 13:42:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Humor..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5265 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Humor..... Date: 7/28/00 9:42 am (ET) Free Parking Before going to Europe on business, a man drove his Rolls-Royce to a downtown New York City bank and went in to ask for an immediate loan of $5,000. The loan officer, taken aback, requested collateral. "Well then, here are the keys to my Rolls-Royce," the man said. The loan officer promptly had the car driven into the bank's underground parking garage for safe keeping, and gave him $5,000. Two weeks later, the man walked through the bank's doors, asked to settle up his loan and get his car back. "That will be $5,000 in principal, and $15.40 in interest," the loan officer said. The man wrote out a check and started to walk away. "Wait sir," the loan officer said, "while you were gone, I found out you are a multi-millionaire. Why in the world would you need to borrow $5,000?" The man smiled. "Where else could I park my Rolls-Royce in Manhattan for two weeks and pay only $15.40?" From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 14:16:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:16:00 -0400 Subject: More Book Covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5266 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: More Book Covers Reply To: [Yahoo! #5256] More Book Covers Date: 7/28/00 10:16 am (ET) I checked out the book covers last night...that's cool. Some thoughts: 1.)I don't like the Iceland one either-he looks like he's 40 and really drunk. And why is he wearing a suit? 2.) On the Italian version of PS, why is Harry wearing a hat that looks like a mouse head? 3.) After the American version, my favorite illustrations are on the German version. Just wanted to let you know that there are two different kinds of Spain versions: Catalan and Castillian. The following ones are Castillian, which is the kind of Spanish most people learn in high school: 1.) Harry Potter y la piedra filosofal 2.) Harry Potter y la camara secreta 3.) Harry Potter y el prisionero de Azkaban All the other Spain books are in Catalan. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 15:30:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:30:00 -0400 Subject: Aurghhhh not again! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5267 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Aurghhhh not again! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5263] Aurghhhh not again! Date: 7/28/00 11:30 am (ET) >By: GypsyCaine >Date: 7/28/00 9:37 am >Harry Potter Readings Banned At times like this, I am GLAD I teach in a poor urban school district. I send home novel unit permission slips with all of my books-of-the-month including HP, and have gotten 100% cooperation. Parents here are so happy children are reading that they don't have time to engage in such stupidity. Needless to say, I am very, very angry after reading this article. Long live Harry Potter--the Boy Who Lived! Ebony AKA AngieJ From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 16:43:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5268 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5260] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 12:43 pm (ET) Just went to our friendly neighborhood warner bros store - at Aventura Mall here in Miami - they have a whole bunch of HP merchandise - we got a set of 6 pens (Harry, Hermione, Ron, Snape, Hagrid & Dumbledore) 2 little notebooks, a Quidditch hat (Gryffendor team), a Hogwarts hat, a set of the "train" bookends, for our books, and a clock as my son Harry's first birthday present - they also had a bunch of t-shirts, including one which says Voldemort - WHY would a parent let their kid wear THAT one? and some weird looking slytherin stuff - some of it was great, especially the School Shirts, and the pens & bookcovers are useful for kids - you can call them (call 305 555 1212 for the number) and they'll ship stuff. They told me there will be a mega promotion & more stuff by the holidays AND some haloween costume stuff to come! From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 17:07:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5269 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5248] Re: Strange Theories... (minor spoiler?) Date: 7/28/00 1:07 pm (ET) <<<<What if Narcissa is a member of Lily and Petunia's (flower-named) family???>> I like that theory! Hmmmm. Evidence is mounting for Petunia being a squib, but it's odd that Narcissa wasn't mentioned as being Petunia's sister right at the beginning. The Dursley's make a huge fuss about "The Potters", but don't mention the "The Malfoys" in the same vein. >> I do too. But I also have a question about it, the same one as the on-going question about the Weasleys being related to Lily. What about the Dursleys being Harry's only living relatives? Of course, maybe Dumbledore wanted to keep Harry from being raised in a family so oriented to the dark arts. I wonder what Harry would have been like had he been raised by the Malfoys. Would he have been another Draco? Or would his strength of character have prevailed (the same character that kept him from being embittered by the Dursleys)? Just some random thoughts, Melanie From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 17:09:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:09:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5270 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5268] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 1:09 pm (ET) I think I'll head on over to my nearest WB store right now and see if they've got anything interesting. voicelady (it's my turn to avoid doing work!) From heiditandy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 17:49:00 2000 From: heiditandy at yahoo.com (heiditandy) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers - the clock is wrong Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5271 From: heiditandy Subject: Re: Warner Brothers - the clock is wrong Reply To: [Yahoo! #5270] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 1:49 pm (ET) The clock on the bookends says 2pm - which means the train is leaving around 3 hours late - I wonder if they'll change this in later "versions" and I wonder if it means that these clocks will be "valued" more... From tocca21 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 17:51:00 2000 From: tocca21 at yahoo.com (tocca21) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: Favorite Books Table Zaplet Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5272 From: tocca21 Subject: Favorite Books Table Zaplet Date: 7/28/00 1:51 pm (ET) hey everyone, I have created a table zaplet where people can write in what their favorite books are. click here to add your and to see what other have suggested. http://zaplet.zaplet.com/servlet/Z?m=2_QAbNmvZZeLYFfW2wX6XxFjMB From ravenswing90 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 18:15:00 2000 From: ravenswing90 at yahoo.com (ravenswing90) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:15:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5273 From: ravenswing90 Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5268] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 2:15 pm (ET) Hullo, my first post! >They told me there will be a mega promotion & >more stuff by the holidays AND some haloween >costume stuff to come! My partner & I are going out and buying a special supply of Halloween Candy for any little Harrys Hermiones and Rons which show up that night - they get chocolate pop-rocks candy bars - exploding chocolate, the closest thing I can think of to Hogsmeade-style confections :) Deb From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 18:48:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5274 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5273] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 2:48 pm (ET) <<My partner & I are going out and buying a special supply of Halloween Candy for any little Harrys Hermiones and Rons which show up that night - they get chocolate pop-rocks candy bars - exploding chocolate, the closest thing I can think of to Hogsmeade-style confections :)>> I'm waiting with dread for Hostess to come out with Cauldron Cakes (Ding Dongs shaped like cauldrons). If it weren't for all the mistrust against unwrapped Halloween treats, I'd make some Cauldron cakes myself. Melanie From ravenswing90 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 22:06:00 2000 From: ravenswing90 at yahoo.com (ravenswing90) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5275 From: ravenswing90 Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5274] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/28/00 6:06 pm (ET) <<I'm waiting with dread for Hostess to come out with Cauldron Cakes (Ding Dongs shaped like cauldrons).>> I've got mixed feelings about this - part of me was hoping we could avoid the merchandising of HP but the rest of me would be Cauldron Cakes in a heartbeat :) Deb Waiting for Bernie Botts Every Flavour Beans think they'll be brave enough? From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 01:11:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:11:00 -0400 Subject: Female Villain Possibility? - SPOILER Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5276 From: Danemead Subject: Female Villain Possibility? - SPOILER Date: 7/28/00 9:11 pm (ET) S P O I L E R C U R S E S C U R S E S LA LA LA I was re-reading the courtroom scene in Chap 30 (The Pensieve) and one person really struck me... that female who was convicted and sent to Azkaban along with Barty Crouch Jr. JKR writes such a strong characterization of her, sitting there proud and undaunted and throwing threats of Voldemort at everyone as she is hauled away. Makes me think we'll see more of this unnamed person. Makes me wonder if Book 5 won't have Dumbledore's prediction come true... that the Dementors will rally to Voldemort and release all the prisoners in Azkaban, and that this woman is probably going to re-enter the story as the strong evil female that has been rumored. Perhaps SHE was Snape's mystery love. As we know, JKR rarely wastes even a trivial detail -- it all seems to be woven into a very long-range pattern. I know we aren't going to be discussing this chapter until next year probably (God, that sounds bleak!), but I wanted to throw it out there before I forget. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 01:34:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:34:00 -0400 Subject: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5277 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5229] Re: Harry Potter pronunciation guide Date: 7/28/00 9:34 pm (ET) * * * * * * * * * * I was also debating how to pronounce Hermione. Like Victor did in the beginning of the Yule Ball, I pronounced it "Hermy-own." She corrects him and pronounces it "Her-MY-oh-nee" Glad you enjoyed it! ~Kaitlin From green_giant_hi at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:02:00 2000 From: green_giant_hi at yahoo.com (green_giant_hi) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:02:00 -0400 Subject: Book are great Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5278 From: green_giant_hi Subject: Book are great Date: 7/28/00 11:02 pm (ET) I started the first book and couldn't put it down. One week later, and I have read all four books, and cannot wait for the next one to come out. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:10:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:10:00 -0400 Subject: Me in Scotland ...and money Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5279 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Reply To: [Yahoo! #5249] Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Date: 7/28/00 11:10 pm (ET) I'm still trying to figure out how a ginger bottle-brush tailed cat got money outof the vault of a convicted murderer using a 13-year-old's name... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:13:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:13:00 -0400 Subject: Female Villain Possibility? - SPOILE Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5280 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Female Villain Possibility? - SPOILE Reply To: [Yahoo! #5276] Female Villain Possibility? - SPOILER Date: 7/28/00 11:13 pm (ET) S P O I L E R C U R S E S C U R S E S LA LA LA << that female who was convicted and sent to Azkaban along with Barty Crouch Jr. >> I had assumed that the woman was Mrs Lestrange, since she is the only female Death Eater mentioned. Voldemort mentions "the Lestranges", which *could* be two related Lestranges, rather than husband and wife, but he also says that the Lestranges "were faithful" and the woman with heavy-lidded eyes you refer to shouts "we alone were faithful!" in the courtroom as she is dragged away. Perhaps Mrs Lestrange was Snape's sister? << I know we aren't going to be discussing this chapter until next year >> I guess we'll be discussing what we want as we go along, but still focus on a chapter/character per week. I'm down to summarise Ch.30, and I guess I should review comments made and questions raised throughout the year (in which case I should make a note of your message!) Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:16:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:00 -0400 Subject: Me in Scotland ...and money Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5281 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Reply To: [Yahoo! #5279] Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Date: 7/28/00 11:16 pm (ET) > I'm still trying to figure out how a ginger bottle-brush tailed cat got money out of the vault of a convicted murderer using a 13-year-old's name... I *think* Sirius said that he wrote a note to Gringott's and Crookshank took the note to the Owl Office for him. All Crookshanks had to do was carry a note and a little bag to the Owl Office. The little bag containis Sirius's vault's key, some knuts to pay for the owl, and a further note to Gringott's instructing them how much money to take from the vault and to send it to Quality Quidditch with the Firebolt order form in Harry's name) From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:26:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting the Mauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5282 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sorting the Mauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5250] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 11:26 pm (ET) > Well, I don't think Remus is terribly ambitious. At least, that's not the image I get of him from PoA. He doesn't 'use any means to achive [his] ends,' or he'd try and cash in on being a werewolf. And I agree with you that Peter's not terribly bookish. I was going to argue with Lee because Remus is not ambitious -- I was saying "going to Hogwart's was his mother's ambition for him, not his ambition", when I realized that he actually is very ambitious, ambitious to lead a normal wizarding life despite his handicap. And he works very hard to try to reach that ambition, *and* is patient and loyal: Hufflepuff. And he's bookish and would fit in Ravenclaw. Which would be good because I'm a Ravenclaw, altho' too old to have been close friends with any of them. So dear Remus could fit in any of the Houses, but that doesn't make it any easier to find a place for Peter. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:40:00 -0400 Subject: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5283 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5249] Re: Me in Scotland ...and money Date: 7/28/00 11:40 pm (ET) <<But would Harry want to have a lot of money when he's with the Dursleys?>> I was thinking he might exchange just one or two coins rather than a load of money; just enough to give himself pocket money and allow him to catch a bus into a nearby town to go to the cinema or buy some sweets. Surely he could think of an excuse for a having a *bit* of cash (someone gave him money for his birthday?). I find it amazing how easily Harry is confined to No. 4 Privet Drive on a day to day basis. Apart from the 'location' scenes at the start of Book 1, it seems he hardly leaves the house when he is with the Dursleys, unless it's to make a dramatic escape or go to Hogwarts. In Book 2, he goes into the garden, I think. The point I'm making is, how many 11-14 year old boys do you know who would spend all their time in the house? Even with no money to spend, surely Harry would go out for a walk? Is he under a 'confining' spell on top of the other magic? Is this JKR's way of reinforcing the idea of the Dursleys' house being his prison? Neil From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:40:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:40:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5284 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5257] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 11:40 pm (ET) > One Marauder per house? I'm not sure that would be possible. For one, when and where would they have met? I'm pretty sure that Hogwart's makes a point of having Doubles classes in every possible pair of Houses, so that all students in the same year get a chance to meet each other. > a specific common room for each house but no common room for the whole school. I pointed that out to Lee, who was not pleased about it. However, I'm sure that there are non-House extracurricular activities going on, even if the only one we ever saw was Gilderoy Lockhart's absurd fiasco of a dueling club. There must be pick-up Quidditch games at school, not just at the Weasley house. There must be oratory clubs and beetle collecting clubs. > Of course, there's the library, the grounds, etc, but those places are not as handy as a common room where no teacher will come and bother you. The teacher who is the Master of the House can come bother you in the House common room. > Moreover, I don't even see *why* they would have had to find friends outside their own houses. Couldn't they find plenty of interesting people among their fellow house residents? If you keep meeting someone and you really like them, you don't think "Oh, I won't hang out with so-and-so anymore because I've got enough friends already". From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:43:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:43:00 -0400 Subject: chapter discussions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5285 From: joywitch999 Subject: chapter discussions Date: 7/28/00 11:43 pm (ET) I am scheduled to summarize Chapter 6 (and Arthur Weasley) during the week of August 14, but unfortunately I will be away that week. Does anyone want to switch? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:48:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:48:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting the Mauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5286 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Sorting the Mauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5257] Re: Sorting the Mauraders Date: 7/28/00 11:48 pm (ET) >James : Gryffindor Sirius: Ravenclaw Remus : Hufflepuff Peter : Slytherin I agree on Peter being Slytherin and Remus could well be Hufflepuff. But I cannot imagine 'man of action' Sirius as a Ravenclaw! If JAMES were the Hufflepuff (his chivalry at rescuing young Snape resembling Cedric's chivalry at wanting to re-play the match), then SIRIUS could be the Gryffindor (courage, or at least reckless fool-hardiness he has in great abundance) and REMUS would be okay in Ravenclaw. Personally, I believe they were all in the same House and I believe that that House was Gryffindor until JKR tells me different. Maybe it was Hufflepuff and when Hagrid said: "People think Hufflepuff is a bunch of duffers, but--", he was going to say: "Your parents were in that House". From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Subject: Book Two! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5287 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Book Two! Date: 7/28/00 11:49 pm (ET) Ok, so I got the chance to finally take CoS and sit down with it about ten tonight. I turn through, to page 133, and it's faded! Neither 132, nor 134, are so, so I wonder if it's only in my printing, or if it's ran through the other books? Scholastic, 35 34 33 31 31 30 0/0 1 2 3 4 For those who know what that means! (Eh, which I am vaguely aware of the importance, but not how to translate it into Muggle! It's a good book. Mrs.Norris is stoned, and Prof. Binns just spoke about the CoS, saying it is a myth.... of course, with it being the name of the book, you know there is more to it! GRINS! Off to read more! (I have been informed by my best friend that she has received the very heavy book four, but I will not get it until I "deserve" it. I have to be good enough to get it. I hope she at least gives it to me before my birthday (for which it's the present!). From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5288 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5284] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/28/00 11:54 pm (ET) <<If you keep meeting someone and you really like them, you don't think "Oh, I won't hang out with so-and-so anymore because I've got enough friends already".>> Exactly. Presumably Percy and Penelope, for example, did more than just cast coy glances at each other across the Great Hall before they started 'getting it on'? I'm talking very chaste hand-holdy stuff here, but you get the idea. Also, kids would surely meet in the toilets or behind the bikesheds for a smoke, get chatting, start card schools, discuss who they 'fancy', begin sniffing glue... It would be part of their path into gambling, sex-crazed, drug dealing adulthood. Neil From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 03:54:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5289 From: angelx_ph Subject: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/28/00 11:54 pm (ET) She didn't seem to know who Sirius Black was. Didn't she attend the wedding (I mean, even if she disliked Lily, she was still her sister. Surely she must've attended the wedding)? I think Aunt Petunia knows more than she'd like everyone to believe, IMO. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:06:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5290 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5288] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 12:06 am (ET) > Also, kids would surely meet in the toilets or behind the bikesheds for a smoke, get chatting, start card schools, discuss who they 'fancy', begin sniffing glue... It would be part of their path into gambling, sex-crazed, drug dealing adulthood. I was under the impression that JKR would have us believe that wizarding folk don't sniff glue. Maybe they can play cards or dice and smoke pipes of de-cancer-ated tobacco or THC-ful hemp right there in their House's common room = different rules in wizard schools. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5291 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5289] Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 12:23 am (ET) <<She didn't seem to know who Sirius Black was. Didn't she attend the wedding>> Talking of Petunia (and there's a vague non-spoiler tie-in with Ch.3 here), I wonder if she really is a witch and decided to renounce her magic so she could marry Vernon? She may have hidden the fact, and cut off her sister's family. Notice it's always Vernon who gets really angry when Harry does, or refers to, anything magical. He obviously has a 'thing' about magic, which seems much more reactionary than you'd expect from his previous contact with Petunia's sister or his experiences with Harry. Could it be that he knows or suspects that Petunia is really a witch and hates being reminded of it? I also think Petunia has much to reveal. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:32:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5292 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5290] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 12:32 am (ET) <<I was under the impression that JKR would have us believe that wizarding folk don't sniff glue.>> Yes, they can probably magic themselves high with a spell - "Pharmacia Etherea!" Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:37:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:37:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5293 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5288] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 12:37 am (ET) >>>>Also, kids would surely meet in the toilets or behind the bikesheds for a smoke, get chatting, start card schools, discuss who they 'fancy', begin sniffing glue... It would be part of their path into gambling, sex-crazed, drug dealing adulthood. Neil <<<< Dear Neil - you usually manage to make me laugh out loud at least once a day. Thanks! Maybe I'll remember you in my will.... a nice tidy legacy... do you want the Porsche or the Italian villa? From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:39:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:39:00 -0400 Subject: Party time for You-Know-Who? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5294 From: davehoz Subject: Party time for You-Know-Who? Date: 7/29/00 12:39 am (ET) Take a look at this link and tell me what think? I for one think Jo should sue for big-time libel! http://www.theonion.com/onion3625/harry_potter.html From dirranecor at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:47:00 2000 From: dirranecor at yahoo.com (dirranecor) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: Warner Brothers merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5295 From: dirranecor Subject: Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Reply To: [Yahoo! #5231] Re: Warner Brothers merchandise Date: 7/29/00 12:47 am (ET) "What mall? I'm in southern mass...near RI..." I went to the Liberty Tree mall. Hope you find what you're looking for! C From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:48:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Party time for You-Know-Who? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5296 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Party time for You-Know-Who? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5294] Party time for You-Know-Who? Date: 7/29/00 12:48 am (ET) Someone just E-mail me to say the Onion is a tabloid "journal" that makes Rita Skeeter look like Walter Cronkite, so maybe it's not worth my getting so upset about... From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:57:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:57:00 -0400 Subject: Party time for You-Know-Who? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5297 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Party time for You-Know-Who? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5296] Re: Party time for You-Know-Who? Date: 7/29/00 12:57 am (ET) Definately not. :) The Onion has been around for years, in print before it was online, even. It's merely a newspaper parody site, (Much like "The Daily Show" is a tv news parody). I found the Onion's Harry Potter article quite funny, but I've been checking out the Onion forever anyway, and take it all with a grain of salt. :) XO, Michelle From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 04:57:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:57:00 -0400 Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-Who?) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5298 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-Who?) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5296] Re: Party time for You-Know-Who? Date: 7/29/00 12:57 am (ET) <<By:'davehoz Date:'7/29/00 12:48 am Someone just E-mail me to say the Onion is a tabloid "journal" that makes Rita Skeeter look like Walter Cronkite, so maybe it's not worth my getting so upset about... >> ::cracks up laughing and has to be helped back onto his computer chair:: Erm...Dave...without meaning to be patronising or anything...you did realise that The Onion is a *joke* site, didn't you? ::cackles resound into the distance:: --John From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 05:13:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:13:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs (was: Inter=House Friendship Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5299 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Drugs (was: Inter=House Friendship Reply To: [Yahoo! #5292] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 1:13 am (ET) > Yes, they can probably magic themselves high with a spell - "Pharmacia Etherea!" That reminds me -- I had been wondering whether a person can put Cheering Charms on themselves (perhaps by use of a mirror) and then wondering whether Cheering Charms are addictive. From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 05:19:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times (confused) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5300 From: selah_1977 Subject: Chat Times (confused) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5299] Re: Drugs (was: Inter=House Friendship Date: 7/29/00 1:19 am (ET) I'd like to chat with others here about HP in real time, but for some reason Yahoo! messenger keeps logging me off. I went to the calendar, and there was a chat scheduled for today... but no one showed up. Is the calendar outdated? Sorry if this has been cleared up before. Please e-mail me off list if necessary. A new member of HP fandom who is still feeling *very* uncomfortable and wet behind the ears at times, Ebony AKA AngieJ From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 05:25:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times (confused) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5301 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Chat Times (confused) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5300] Chat Times (confused) Date: 7/29/00 1:25 am (ET) Hi. If you want to have a good time... um... wait, that sounds worse than I meant it to... ;) Seriously, the Friday chats have sort of gone the way of the dinosaur - the Sunday morning/afternoon chats (at least for me here in the Pacific time zone) are the way to go. If you go to that one (which is usually pretty active, with at least 3-4 people from the start most of the time), you get the benefit of the companionship (?) of our wonderful British members... it's worth a Sunday afternoon just for them (wipes the brown stuff off her nose). Jen From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 05:46:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:46:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5302 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5291] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 1:46 am (ET) Sorta the Darrin Stevens thing there, eh Neil? <<Notice it's always Vernon who gets really angry when Harry does, or refers to, anything magical. He obviously has a 'thing' about magic, which seems much more reactionary than you'd expect from his previous contact with Petunia's sister or his experiences with Harry. Could it be that he knows or suspects that Petunia is really a witch and hates being reminded of it?>> Grins. That is one great book! Now onto PoA! It did answer a few questions, but yes, it left a whole lot more! There is more there than JKR gives out in the first two, I know that (and esp after seeing all the nice spoiler messages. Btw, thanks for keeping them. I hope that by September First, I shan't need them any longer!) :D Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 05:49:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:49:00 -0400 Subject: Hi,Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Custo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5303 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Hi,Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Custo Date: 7/29/00 1:49 am (ET) Hi, Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Customer Care. It is through user suggestions and feedback that we are able to continue to make improvements. We will be sure to keep your comments in mind as we continue to make improvements to our service. Many new ideas have come directly from users like you. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Regards, Yahoo! Customer Care From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 06:12:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:12:00 -0400 Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5304 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Reply To: [Yahoo! #5298] The Onion (Party time for You-Know-Who?) Date: 7/29/00 2:12 am (ET) I have seen it happen before but I still have a difficult time believing anyone thinks The Onion is real. Perhaps it is their extremely straight style. As John said, its a parody site. Here are a few links to some of their archved stories that may amuse and will certainly put you in the right frame of mind for reading the story about Harry Potter: Christ converts to Islam - http://www.theonion.com/onion3513/christ_islam.html Secret of Fire falls into Russian Hands - http://www.theonion.com/onion2919/secretoffire.html 79 Percent of Americans Missing the Point Entirely - http://www.theonion.com/onion3534/missing_the_point.html From cairnsynz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 07:49:00 2000 From: cairnsynz at yahoo.com (cairnsyNZ) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:49:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussion 1/2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5305 From: cairnsyNZ Subject: Re:chapter and character discussion 1/2 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5205] chapter and character discussions Date: 7/29/00 3:49 am (ET) I think I might have accidentally sent a blank reply to this thread - sorry about that, I've never actually used Yahoo clubs before :) I'm new here, and was reading a couple of old posts and came across a character discussion of Percy which I just had to add to. Keep in mind I'm fairly new to H.P and have only read the first book, have a so-so knowledge of what happens in the others. Most of my views of Percy have to do with how he became the character we know in the first book anyway. I can't believe what I wrote was so long, but I've had to divide it into two parts to post it. Percy inspires the weirdest things in me :) Spoiler space .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Just in case there is someone here who hasn't read the first book :) Most people seem to over simplify Percy's character. I have a tendency to overanalyse - I warn you in advance :) Everyone has a (99% of the time negative) opinion of Percy. He is snobby, arrogant and has a huge desire for power, yet people never tell you why Percy of all people would want these things. I think there are 2 or 3 key aspects of Percy's life you have to look at to get a clear view of his real character. The first aspect in regards to Percy you have to consider is his family life. For whatever reason there is a huge gap between the older two brothers and Percy. If the Weasley's had decided they didn't want anymore children, Percy would have come as a shock. If they had been trying for that entire time to have another child, Percy would have come as a blessing. If there was perhaps a miscarriage or something to that effect, his birth might have been received with mixed emotions. Whatever the story is behind his birth, there are going to be strong emotions/ a story attached that goes beyond simply having your third child. How this might have influenced his childhood, I have no idea :) The fact that the distance is as large as between second and third son could possibly mean that as a child, instead of having older brothers to play/guide him as siblings of similar ages do, he was expected instead to fulfil that position for his younger brothers, putting him into a leadership position perhaps from an early age, without having ever been lead himself. There is the added possibility that he naturally assumed this role as most older siblings do. From cairnsynz at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 07:53:00 2000 From: cairnsynz at yahoo.com (cairnsyNZ) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:53:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussion 2/2 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5306 From: cairnsyNZ Subject: Re: chapter and character discussion 2/2 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5305] Re:chapter and character discussion 1/2 Date: 7/29/00 3:53 am (ET) More on Percy ... Spoiler space - just in case. .. . . . . . . . . . Aspect two is Percy's first couple of years at Hogwarts. Unlike Fred and George who had each other, and Ron who had all three of them, Percy would have gone to Hogwarts alone as a little boy. There doesn't seem to be anything that suggests it in Book One (knowing my luck it does in one of the future books!) that Percy is very close to a particular person - if he goes somewhere it's with the Prefects, when they caught the train to go to Hogwarts he went to sit again with the Prefects. The Prefects - not individuals. The legend Percy had to live up to at Hogwarts was perhaps greater than the one Ron does now. Charlie and Bill had each been great in their individual ways, but only a few students would have been there at the same time they were and the time Percy starts. With Bill and Charlie no longer being at Hogwarts, it is very likely their reputations were blown out of proportion, especially with the Gryffs. having not won the cup for a long period of time. Percy would have gone to Hogwarts expected by other students to live up to a Weasley name that over time had been stripped of all the negative factors. He probably would have been expected not only to live up to one of Bill or Charlies reputation, but both simultaneously. Ron has it slightly easier because everyone knows that George, Percy and Fred have faults - they've had to deal with them on a daily basis. Percy would have been dealing with the myth of two perfect brothers - pretty tough for an eleven year old. I think it's because of this pressure - put on by either himself, others, or both, that he tried to become the 'Perfect Weasley', and we ended up with the Percy we've got today. I think Percy is scared of not being perfect - every time he isn't he is ridiculed and publicly embarrassed by others, most of the time by his own brothers. I think the most telling thing about Percy however (moving on to aspect three!) is that he was sorted into Gryffindor. That means that his "daring, nerve, and chivalry" was more evident than Ravenclaws "where those of wit and learning, Will always find their kind" or Slytherins "Those cunning folk use any means to achieve their ends" . The fact that Percy then became a Prefect of his house, and later Head Boy, shows that firstly he is not only a *true* Gryffindor, but one of the best, and that he must be highly thought of by those high up at Hogwarts, including Dumbledore. Speaking from my own experience as an ex-prefect, it is the Headmaster who 9 times out of 10 chooses the Head Boy and Girl. The Gryffindor definition doesn't really seem to have much in common with the Percy we've been shown, but the fact that it is supported shows Percy in a whole new light. Maybe it is the 'Gryffindor Percy' we are finally going to see in the future books. Everything I've written is largely speculation - we really have no idea what Percy's younger years were like. However I really believe that the fact he was in Gryffindor and got as far in that house as he did really says something about his character. I've rambled on for far too long, I better finish it off here. Hope this post provides a couple of points to mull over! Cairnsy From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 09:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 05:48:00 -0400 Subject: oh, ack. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5307 From: GypsyCaine Subject: oh, ack. Date: 7/29/00 5:48 am (ET) Now I am stuck. I picked up book three just to leaf through and didn't put it down until 5:30~ LOL Of course, I am through and now have to wait until my friend releases book four! LOLOLOL! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 10:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:49:00 -0400 Subject: chapter discussions - swap? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5308 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: chapter discussions - swap? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5285] chapter discussions Date: 7/29/00 6:49 am (ET) <<I am scheduled to summarize Chapter 6 (and Arthur Weasley) during the week of August 14, but unfortunately I will be away that week. Does anyone want to switch?>> I could switch, if it helps. I'm scheduled to do Chapter 5 and the Weasley twins for the week beginning 7th Aug (the twins go well with Ch.5, and Arthur with Ch. 6, so we should do a complete swap). Are you around that week? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 13:03:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:03:00 -0400 Subject: Percy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5309 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Percy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5306] Re: chapter and character discussion 2/2 Date: 7/29/00 9:03 am (ET) Hi Cairnsy - welcome to the club! Your analysis of Percy was *very* comprehensive, especially as you've only read Book 1! Are you a psychologist? And we are discussing Percy this week... ll l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l You're absolutely right to say that Percy had a hard act to follow in Charlie and Bill, but I think Ron has it much worse, having Percy the model prefect and the twins (fun, popular and good at Quidditch) to follow on top of that. The thing that comes across most strongly throughout the books is Percy's keen adherence to rules and regulations. This probably began at home with his taking responsibility for his younger siblings and wanting to set a good example to them. At school he was rewarded for his naturally law-abiding character with appropriate positions of authority, which reinforced his already pompous air. By Book 4, Percy is at the Ministry of Magic and has become so slavishly loyal to his boss that he's prepared to cover up anything - no matter how outrageous - to protect him. However, this is just him trying to prove his mettle in his new job, and being inflexible as a result. On consideration, I don't think Percy will become corrupt. I think he was just a bit blinkered and wet behind the ears in his new job. He's had an educational experience in Book4, and he is well placed to lead the fight against V. I hope there's a softer side to Percy that we haven't seen. He had a girlfriend at Hogwarts and if (as at my school) the Head Boy and Head Girl were chosen by their peers, he may have been quite popular in his year. Part of the problem is that we've most often seen Percy relating to Harry and the younger members of his own family, who are nearly always up to mischief (even Ginny goes off the rails in Book 2). Then we see him working for the MoM - the home of rulemaking and enforcement. Er, any thoughts on what Percy does to relax? I'm bound to have repeated something someone else has said here, because I'm just rambling off the top of my head... Neil From vikar25 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 14:29:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5310 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5277] Re: HP Pronunciation Guide(mini-spoiler) Date: 7/29/00 10:29 am (ET) Kaitlin, It's interesting that the pronouciation of Hermione's name is "Her-My-oh-nee". It's almost a hidden message as if to say "Her, my only". As I said, interesting. Regards, Vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 15:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5311 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5283] Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/29/00 11:40 am (ET) Hi: <<<I find it amazing how easily Harry is confined to No. 4 Privet Drive on a day to day basis. Apart from the 'location' scenes at the start of Book 1, it seems he hardly leaves the house when he is with the Dursleys, unless it's to make a dramatic escape or go to Hogwarts. In Book 2, he goes into the garden, I think. The point I'm making is, how many 11-14 year old boys do you know who would spend all their time in the house? Even with no money to spend, surely Harry would go out for a walk? Is he under a 'confining' spell on top of the other magic? Is this JKR's way of reinforcing the idea of the Dursleys' house being his prison?>>> THIS INVOLVES A MINOR GOF SPOILER SO I'M ADDING IN SOME SPOILER SPACE. S P O I L E R S P A C E Actually, I think it says in one of the books (CoS??) that he spent most of his time outside, staying out from under the Dursleys' noses. I sort of picture him spending alot of time roaming the neighborhood during the day, although that does raise interesting issues re: Dumbledore's protections of him while he's "with the Dursleys." Do the protections extend to all of Little Whinging? Privet Drive & its immediate environs? What about his muggle school? Or, has he been at risk if he wanders over to the next block? Was he at risk at his school all those years? Curious -- Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 15:52:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Spolier and Quick Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5312 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Spolier and Quick Question Date: 7/29/00 11:52 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E Harry's solution to the Dragon task was to use a spell to summon his broom from his room. Now I enjoy Harry's broom riding as much as anyone but there is a small logical problem. Why not just summon the egg? He doesn't have to see the object he is summoning so that isn't the answer. Even if the dragon sitting on it was the problem, then he could summon it as soon as the dragon got off the egg. That way, there wouldn't be any risk to him. Just wondering. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 15:53:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:53:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5313 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5291] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 11:53 am (ET) The way Petunia talks about her sister, I don't think she ever had much to do with her, much less go to her wedding. Whoa, a revelation (for me, may not be for anyone else): is Petunia JEALOUS of Lily? ~Kaitlin From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 16:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:07:00 -0400 Subject: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5314 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5311] Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/29/00 12:07 pm (ET) >>>>Dumbledore's protections of him while he's "with the Dursleys." Do the protections extend to all of Little Whinging? Privet Drive & its immediate environs? What about his muggle school? Or, has he been at risk if he wanders over to the next block? Was he at risk at his school all those years?<<<< This has been bothering me as well. The Ministry of Magic was concerned enough when he ran away from home in PoA to send Fudge out to make sure Harry made it safely back into the custody of wizards, and yet Harry has spent several weeks, both in CoS and GoF, at the Weasleys. Does the protection extend to The Burrow as well? Arthur and Molly appear to behave as if Harry has been given into their special charge, especially during PoA (at great possible danger to their own children, I might add, if someone decided to attack Harry). At first I thought Dumbledore might have used the Fidelius Charm to hide Harry's whereabouts, but too many people are still aware of where he is to consider him "hidden", so I chucked that theory. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 16:17:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:17:00 -0400 Subject: ...the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5315 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5311] Re: Money and the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/29/00 12:17 pm (ET) <<Actually, I think it says in one of the books (CoS??) that he spent most of his time outside, staying out from under the Dursleys' noses.>> I didn't notice that - apart from references to the garden and being forbidden to talk to the neighbours. I agree that the extent of Dumbledore's protection isn't made very clear. Could it be that Harry is protected whilst he is in the care of relatives in the abstract sense, i.e. not physically in the presence of the Dursleys or physically in Privet Drive, but under the care of the Dursleys on paper? We don't know exactly what Dumbledore wrote in his letter to the Dursleys; perhaps they signed something which included such a spell. I also wonder why the MoM wasn't more alert to the underage magic going on at Harry's school and in other places (the zoo). When he turned his teacher's wig blue and spirited himself onto the roof, for example, shouldn't they have investigated? Surely that type of magic in a child who doesn't even know he is a wizard (especially one they know is extremely powerful) would be a dead giveaway to the muggles! Neil From ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 16:34:00 2000 From: ashley_1591284 at yahoo.com (ashley_1591284) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:34:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5316 From: ashley_1591284 Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5313] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 12:34 pm (ET) Yes, I think that it was made fairly clear in Book 1 that Petunia was jealous of Lily. She talks about how their parents were always so proud of Lily and her accomplishments at Hogwarts, and that she was the only one who saw her for what she was - a freak. I think this definately shows some jealousy between them. It's an interesting theory about Petunia being a squib in a family of wizards, or actually being a witch who renounced her powers to marrry Vernon. At any rate, I'm willing to bet that Petunia knows more about the wizarding world than she's letting on. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 16:35:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5317 From: Danemead Subject: Clothing Date: 7/29/00 12:35 pm (ET) Is anyone else having trouble picturing the entire wizarding population wearing pointed hats all the time? I know that in the books, students and teachers are frequently referred to as wearing their hats, but my mind simply will not allow it. I always picture everyone hatless, with a few exceptions during formal occasions and whatnot. I wonder if they will include the hats in the movie -- to my mind it will look pretty silly. We've also had the clothing debate -- what do the students wear under their robes? JKR seems ambivalent about this... sometimes the kids have clothes on underneath (example - they remove their robes when hiking up to Sirius's hideout in GoF), and sometimes they seem to have only underwear (at the end of GoF, in the infirmary, Harry simply removes his robe and puts on pajamas). In most of the Mary GrandPre illustrations, Harry is shown to be wearing regular jeans, t-shirt, sneakers with a robe over his shoulders, despite descriptions in the text of floor-length, all-encompassing ROBES. Personally, I prefer the clothes under the robe picture, such as the illustration at the beginning of Chapter 17 (my favorite!). From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 16:51:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: Chat times - Tragical Me Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5318 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat times - Tragical Me Reply To: [Yahoo! #5301] Re: Chat Times (confused) Date: 7/29/00 12:51 pm (ET) <<...you get the benefit of the companionship (?) of our wonderful British members... it's worth a Sunday afternoon just for them.>> You are way too kind, Jen! Speaking as just one of the Brits here, I'm embarrassed by such open flattery. Hand me that glass of Polyuice Potion and I'll transfigure into Gilderoy Lockhart and write a new book entitled "Yakking with Yanks"*. [* ... and other nationalities] I'm sure the other Brits (and everyone) here would agree that it's just as much fun from our point of view being able to chat in real time with people dotted around the planet. We share so much and yet we learn so much. You're all fab! I'm filling up... give me a... hanky...someone. Neil, 39, is wearing a bowler hat, suspenders and trainers. He enjoys showing old people across the street and striving for world peace. He has green eyes. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 17:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5319 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Clothing Reply To: [Yahoo! #5317] Clothing Date: 7/29/00 1:01 pm (ET) <<Is anyone else having trouble picturing the entire wizarding population wearing pointed hats all the time?>> Yes, yes, YES! We touched on this in a recent chat session. I can see Dumbledore, for example, in a tall, purple, brimless wizard's hat, but start laughing uncontrollably at any image of Professor Snape in a black pointy hat. Equally, the thought of Hagrid wearing some sort of ten gallon cone on his head - well, it's plain silly, isn't it? As for the kids, I'd assume they only get the hats out on special occasions - when they might wear dress robes. Neil From triner2001 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 17:12:00 2000 From: triner2001 at yahoo.com (triner2001) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:12:00 -0400 Subject: ...the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5320 From: triner2001 Subject: Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5315] Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/29/00 1:12 pm (ET) It states in book one when Harry is thinking about going to secondary school that it would be "the first time in his life, he wouldn't be with Dudley." So all through school, he *has* been with blood relations, just not those of legal adult status. As for the accidental use of magic by Harry... Well, it is a bit of a puzzlement, but somehow I was under the impression that all magically inclined children had a tendency to inadvertently unleash their powers during moments of being fairly rumpled up in spirit (ie, being chased by Dudley and the gang, being forced into that hideous old sweater of Dudley's, etc). Therefore the MoM must be aware of these moments and reacts accordingly. Trina From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 17:15:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5321 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Clothing Reply To: [Yahoo! #5317] Clothing Date: 7/29/00 1:15 pm (ET) Hi: <<<Is anyone else having trouble picturing the entire wizarding population wearing pointed hats all the time? I know that in the books, students and teachers are frequently referred to as wearing their hats, but my mind simply will not allow it. I always picture everyone hatless, with a few exceptions during formal occasions and whatnot. I wonder if they will include the hats in the movie -- to my mind it will look pretty silly.>>> Yes!!! My mind simply won't allow it either, and like you, I really hope they don't have hats all the time in the movie. Surely that would be cumbersome if nothing else. I can't imagine them wearing pointy hats all the time. Think how squashed the girls' hair would be everyday!! RE: Clothing under the Robes. I'm confused too. It seems sometimes Harry just removes his robes & gets into bed. Other times, they clearly must have on clothes under the robes. As I've mentioned, being in Houston where we've had 100 degrees or more heat wave for most all of July, I *cannot* imagine wearing clothes under those heavy (presumably) robes. Penny (who laughs uncontrollably at the image of the Great Hall awash in a sea of pointy hats) From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 17:37:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Percy (my take) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5322 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Percy (my take) Date: 7/29/00 1:37 pm (ET) Well, I have about 36 hours (give or take) to put in my two knutes (or sickles) on Percy, so here goes: Though Percy is annoying, I actually like him. As a fictional character, he provides needed comic relief, and the occasional antagonist. He's also a perfect example of how a character can be an anagonist without being a villain. He often provides obstacles for Harry and company, but he is not a "bad guy". His goals and intentions are good; they just happen to oppose Harry's. Even in real life, I'd much rather deal with him than, say, Snape or any of the Dursleys. I think what really endears me to him are those chinks in the armor, showing him capable of more emotion than Harry and his friends see. One of those chinks is his girlfriend, Penelope Clearwater, who was introduced in CoS. She shows him capable of falling in love (or at least in like). And, unless she finds his stereotypical rigidity attractive, she must see a side to him that Harry misses. V E R Y M I N O R G O F S P O I L E R A H E A D Another little hole in the armor is the way he acted when he first got his Apparator's license. That is, his need to show off that he now had one. Most readers probably see that as yet another sign of pompousness, but I suspect his attitude is not uncommon among newly licensed Apparators. It brought me back to when I first got my driver's license. I was looking for any excuse to drive (errands, giving people rides, etc). Though this sounds more altruistic than Percy Apparating to the breakfast table, I'll have to admit a definite satisfaction in simply being able to make the statement, "I can drive." I also remember hoping to be seen getting out of my car in my high school parking lot. Yes, I am getting out of the drivers' seat, and no, my father is not taking over that seat and driving away! I don't think that is too far away from Percy loudly statin that he'd just Apparated to the World Cup. OK, maybe that just makes me pretentious too, but I don't think so. Melanie PS: Did anyone else notice how much "Apparating without a license" sounds like "operating without a license"? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 18:10:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: ...the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5323 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5315] Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/29/00 2:10 pm (ET) Just finished the book "The Wizard Behind Harry Potter". Not certain what to make of it, really. It is labeled as an unauthorized biography, but Marc either is really good at getting Joanne to open up, or he's a terrific researcher and has stolen alot of quotes! (Some of the "quotes" are credited to the proper paper/media source) In the book, he mentions that JKR had a 90-minute interview before GoF came out. In this is where you guys were going off about the "mysterious character's death" and Harry's gal. "...The author also offered that in the fifth book readers would finally discover why Harry continues to spend his summers with the frightful Dursleys". From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 18:18:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:18:00 -0400 Subject: Another Chapter Snatched Up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5324 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Another Chapter Snatched Up Date: 7/29/00 2:18 pm (ET) Hi: Skimmel has (with some arm-twisting & coercion) agreed to summarize Chapter 13 & Cornelius Fudge for us. I'm trying to change the calendar so that's clear that the "official" chat time is now Sundays (afternoon for most of us here in the US). Trying to figure out how to translate the time into GMT. Any thoughts? Penny From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 18:21:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: Chat times - Tragical Me Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5325 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Chat times - Tragical Me Reply To: [Yahoo! #5318] Re: Chat times - Tragical Me Date: 7/29/00 2:21 pm (ET) Neil said, <<new book entitled "Yakking with Yanks"*.>> How about "Yanking with Yaks" instead? ::innocent little look:: --John From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 18:25:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:25:00 -0400 Subject: Another Chapter Snatched Up Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5326 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Another Chapter Snatched Up Reply To: [Yahoo! #5324] Another Chapter Snatched Up Date: 7/29/00 2:25 pm (ET) Penny said, <<I'm trying to change the calendar so that's clear that the "official" chat time is now Sundays (afternoon for most of us here in the US). Trying to figure out how to translate the time into GMT. Any thoughts?>> Yep :) I assume that you want it in the afternoon for all US timezones. How does 4 pm Eastern Time sound? That's... 10 pm European 9 pm UK 4 pm Eastern 3 pm Central 2 pm Mountain 1 pm Pacific Or you could slide it back. I just thought that the folks out on the Pacific might want to have lunch before chatting. Ciao, --John From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 18:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5327 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5326] Re: Another Chapter Snatched Up Date: 7/29/00 2:29 pm (ET) Hi: Well, it's apparently been happening at 2:00 - 4:00 p.m. (Central Time). But, I noticed after I put in 2:00 - 4:00 on the calendar that it says all times are in GMT. So, how do I translate the 2:00 - 4:00 into GMT?? That's really my question I guess. I think everyone's been happy with this time frame. Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 19:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5328 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5327] Chat Time Date: 7/29/00 3:27 pm (ET) As we're all on Summer Time or Daylight Saving time, we're all +1 relative to GMT. It's British Summer Time (BST) here, which is GMT+1, but the relative gaps between the zones are the same because everyone else is also an hour ahead. John Walton's table is correct and 4pm Central Daylight time would be 9pm UK British Summer Time. 2pm-4pm on the calendar equates to 7pm to 9pm in the UK. The chat sessions usually get going around 8pm UK time and carry on until about 11pm. That would be 3pm-6pm Central Daylight time, 4pm-7pm Eastern Daylight time etc. Here's a link to the current (summer) time zones: http://time.greenwich2000.com/info/timezone-summer.htm Incidentally, I live about 2 miles from Greenwich, where you can stand with one foot on either side of the meridian. Spooky. Neil From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 19:37:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5329 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/29/00 3:37 pm (ET) Hi: Thanks Neil for the input! I've put 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m., and hopefully everyone will notice that this is GMT (and know how to convert it). Just know that this is roughly 3:00 - 7:00 Eastern, 2:00 - 6:00 Central, 1:00 - 5:00 Mountain, and 12:00 - 4:00 Pacific. Right? BTW, I was ROFL laughing at your post about the Yakking with Yanks and your own tragic persona Neil -- you always add so much humor to our club! Thanks. Penny From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 20:47:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:47:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5330 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5329] Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/29/00 4:47 pm (ET) You can have Yahoo show the chat time in your own zone by setting your Yahoo Calendar preferences to your time zone (which can be done on the Yahoo Calendar Page under "Options" at the top of the page). Then set it to show club events (using "My time guides"). The calendar will automatically convert the chat time to your time zone. I'm writing this on a very brief break, but will be happy to put in more step-by-step instructions later tonight, if anyone needs them. Melanie From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 21:42:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:42:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5331 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5329] Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/29/00 5:42 pm (ET) << Thanks Neil for the input! I've put 7:00 p.m. - 11:00 p.m., and hopefully everyone will notice that this is GMT (and know how to convert it).>> Okay, I'll just double double check now - that's 8pm-midnight for the UK? Damn the earth for being round! Neil From schlaggen at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 22:23:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:23:00 -0400 Subject: Book Two! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5332 From: schlaggen Subject: Re: Book Two! Reply To: [Yahoo! #5287] Book Two! Date: 7/29/00 6:23 pm (ET) Scholastic, 35 34 33 31 31 30 0/0 1 2 3 4 30th printing, which occured (I think) in the year 2000 in the 4th month (April) From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 23:04:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5333 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Clothing Reply To: [Yahoo! #5317] Clothing Date: 7/29/00 7:04 pm (ET) After looking at some of the illustrations from the other Harry Potter books around the world, I am very confused. On the Spanish Harry Potter books, Harry wears jeans, a shirt and a red cape. Many of the books show Harry wearing only muggle clothes. The Italian books show Harry and co. wearing hats that look like rat heads!!! However, I agree with Danemead about the illustration in chapter 17. That makes the most sense. From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 23:07:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:07:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5334 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Wizarding school Date: 7/29/00 7:07 pm (ET) Is there any type of school before Hogwarts? Or do kids have to go to muggle schools before they turn 10/11 and go there? Also, how do small children already know things like transfiguration (like when Fred and George turned Ron's bear into a spider)? If they were able to do that as children, shouldn't McGonagall's class be a piece of cake? ~Kaitlin From karob_7 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 29 23:31:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:31:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5335 From: karob_7 Subject: Yahoo Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5330] Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/29/00 7:31 pm (ET) The only problem with setting your default time zone in your Yahoo calendar is that, despite the Daylight Savings option, it doesn't seem to calculate correctly. At least, I haven't been able to get it to do so. If the chat is 7pm GMT, and the time in London for the chat is 8pm, then the chat in Central Standard Time should be 2pm, but it shows up in my calendar as 1 pm. Of course, we could all pretend we live in the time zone easternly adjacent to us during Daylight Savings Time/British Summer Time..... Karin From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 00:48:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5336 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Yahoo Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5335] Yahoo Calendar Date: 7/29/00 8:48 pm (ET) My Yahoo! options arn't connected either. At least all the labels are right. So when does Britain get back on GMT (and switch from BST)? Those US states that observe daylight savings time switch back on the last Sunday in October. I tried this time converter for US Central (CST6CDT) and Britain (GB) time zones. Seems to be accurate info. http://sandbox.xerox.com/stewart/tzconvert.cgi This also gives the current time for anywhere in an attractive format. http://www.worldtimeserver.com So confusing... From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 01:24:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:24:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5337 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5316] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 9:24 pm (ET) >It's an interesting theory about Petunia being a >squib in a family of wizards, or actually being >a witch who renounced her powers to marrry >Vernon. At any rate, I'm willing to bet that >Petunia knows more about the wizarding world >than she's letting on. I'm sorry guys, but Lily is referred to more than once as muggle born....I will find a reference...here's at least one:In CoS Harry talks about his "muggle-born mother...." maybe he's been misinformed, but... V in GoF also refers to her as muggle born or maybe mudblood...my copy is being read, at the moment, by my husband...and he's just starting the chapter on the 3rd task...so I dare not ask to see it...anyway my point is as far as JKR is concerned at the moment she is NOT from a wizarding family....so that means petunia is NOT a squib... cj From selah_1977 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 01:25:00 2000 From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:25:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5338 From: selah_1977 Subject: Re: Clothing Reply To: [Yahoo! #5333] Re: Clothing Date: 7/29/00 9:25 pm (ET) I like the illustration from Ch. 17 (Amer. ed.) as well. I can't see any of the characters except Dumbledore and perhaps Minister Fudge with stereotypical conehead hats. For some reason, in my mind I can't see the Hogwarts students with robes on all the time. Perhaps for meals and classes, but while relaxing in their Common Rooms and visiting Hogsmeade I see them in regular clothes. Isn't there somewhere in the books (maybe GoF) where a generation gap in clothing is alluded to? Ebony AKA AngieJ (P.S. Thanks for the chat time clarification...) From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 01:25:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5339 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5327] Chat Time Date: 7/29/00 9:25 pm (ET) According to the clock on my computer, Central time is six hours behind GMT. I'm not sure how daylight savings time affects this. ~Kaitlin From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 01:48:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:48:00 -0400 Subject: Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5340 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Reply To: [Yahoo! #5239] Marauders/My Friend Lee Anne Says Date: 7/29/00 9:48 pm (ET) Catlady_de_los_angeles wrote: >>I think Lee is wrong about Hufflepuff's virtue being loyalty; I think Hufflepuff's virtue is hard work (which many writers would have heroized in a very annoying way rather than making fun of).<< Consider the words of the Sorting Hat (book 1): "You might belong in Hufflepuff, Where they are just and loyal, Those patient Hufflepuffs are true And unafraid of toil..." So you're both right! ~Kaitlin From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 02:40:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:40:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5341 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5337] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 10:40 pm (ET) >>>I'm sorry guys, but Lily is referred to more than once as muggle born..<<<< I'm re-reading Book 1, and even Hagrid tells Harry that his mother came from a Muggle family. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 02:41:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5342 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5290] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 10:41 pm (ET) >>>I was under the impression that JKR would have us believe that wizarding folk don't sniff glue. >>>Maybe they can play cards or dice and smoke pipes of de-cancer-ated tobacco or THC-ful hemp right there in their House's common room = different rules in wizard schools. I find it hard to believe that there is much in the way of drugs at Hogwarts (unlike just about every other school). I mean, who needs drugs when you have Cheering Charms and who-knows-what kind of potions? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 02:50:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5343 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Reply To: [Yahoo! #5305] Re:chapter and character discussion 1/2 Date: 7/29/00 10:50 pm (ET) >>>The first aspect in regards to Percy you have to consider is his family life. For whatever reason there is a huge gap between the older two brothers and Percy I dont understand why people think this. In GoF, Bill says that he hasnt seen Hogwarts in 5 years. At that point in time, Percy had been a Hogwarts graduate for almost a year. This implies that there is a 4 year difference in age between Bill, the oldest son, and Percy, the third oldest. So Percy is 18 or 19, Bill is 22 or 23, and Charlie is around 21, F&G have just turned 17, Ron is 14 or 15 and Ginny around a year younger. Thats not much of an age difference. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 02:50:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5344 From: Danemead Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5342] Re: Inter=House Friendship (wasMauraders Date: 7/29/00 10:50 pm (ET) IF you want to read a really idiotic article, read this: (you may have to cut and paste if the URL is wrapped on 2 lines). http://www.fflibraries.org/Book_Reports/HarryPotter/HarryPotterTakesDrugs.htm These people are SERIOUS -- this is not a joke article, unfortunately. From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 02:53:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:53:00 -0400 Subject: chapter discussions - swap? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5345 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: chapter discussions - swap? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5308] Re: chapter discussions - swap? Date: 7/29/00 10:53 pm (ET) Neil -- I will happily switch. I will do Chapter 5 and the Weasley twins on Aug 7, you will do Arthur W. and Chapter 6 on Aug 14, and thanks very much! -- Joywitch From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:06:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:06:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5346 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: Clothing Date: 7/29/00 11:06 pm (ET) I agree that magical kids probably dont wear their robes and pointy hats all the time, after all that is their school uniform. Dudley and the other little Smeltings brats probably dont wear their boater hats, orange knickerbockers and maroon tailcoats all that much outside of school, especially when they are in, say, London. And I certainly hope they dont try and dress like that if there are any special Smeltings summer vacation trips to the U.S.!!!!!!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5347 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Reply To: [Yahoo! #5343] Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Date: 7/29/00 11:07 pm (ET) Hi: <<<>>>The first aspect in regards to Percy you have to consider is his family life. For whatever reason there is a huge gap between the older two brothers and Percy>>> <<<I dont understand why people think this. In GoF, Bill says that he hasnt seen Hogwarts in 5 years. At that point in time, Percy had been a Hogwarts graduate for almost a year. This implies that there is a 4 year difference in age between Bill, the oldest son, and Percy, the third oldest.>>> I can tell you why I think there's a huge gap between Charlie & Percy. Bill is the oldest & Charlie is next -- that's pretty clear. There are several references in SS, CoS and PoA about the number of years since Gryffindor has won the Quidditch Cup and references to the fact that they haven't won since Charlie left Hogwarts. Don't have the exact quotes in front of me but the upshot is that Charlie hadn't been at Hogwarts for at least 7 yrs in SS, when Ron was 11. So, Charlie is at least 24 at that juncture, if that's to be believed. Bill is older than that -- at least 1 yr older than Charlie. Percy is 15 at that point. One of these days I'm going to really take *all* the internal clues & map out an exact theory. I really think JKR screwed up -- I don't think she intended that large an age gap between Charlie & Percy, but that's the way it works out internally. As for Bill's comment in GoF -- what he says is that he hasn't *seen* Hogwarts in 5 yrs. Doesn't mean he "graduated" (I know the Brits don't graduate from this level school) 5 yrs ago. It just means Bill hasn't been there in 5 yrs. Maybe he came back to see Charlie's final Quidditch match, which would be roughly 5 yrs from the point in GoF where Bill makes that remark actually. I think in GoF that Bill is about 28, Charlie 27, Percy 18/19, the twins are 16, Ron is 14 & Ginny is 13. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:09:00 -0400 Subject: Oops Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5348 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Oops Date: 7/29/00 11:09 pm (ET) Hi: Disregard my remark in my last post about Charlie's final quidditch match likely being 5 yrs before GoF. That doesn't work -- it would have been about double that. I think. Penny From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:14:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:14:00 -0400 Subject: weasley ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5349 From: siriusgeologist Subject: weasley ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #5343] Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Date: 7/29/00 11:14 pm (ET) well, for the want of a search feature...we had the Weasley kids ages worked out a while back, before GoF....at some point in PoA it says Gryffindor has not won a quidditch cup in 7 years, ever since Charlie Weasley was seeker...this is where the age gap originated....I know in GoF Bill says he hasn't been there in 5 years, but I assumed it was to visit at that time...given the previous info... cj PS...thank you for confirming the origin of Lily being muggle born... From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5350 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5337] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/29/00 11:38 pm (ET) I read that line in CoS and then I re-read that. It states in PoS that both of Harry's parents were wizards... It might be the medicine (sorry, sick, that's why I read!), but I got a bit confused on that factor. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:41:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:41:00 -0400 Subject: Clothing (ch 17??) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5351 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Clothing (ch 17??) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5338] Re: Clothing Date: 7/29/00 11:41 pm (ET) <<I like the illustration from Ch. 17 (Amer. ed.) >> Ok. Which Chapter 17? And if it's GoF, would someone be so kind as to scan it into photos, or email it to me? gypsycaine at yahoo.com Thanks! Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 03:52:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: chapter and character discussion Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5352 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Reply To: [Yahoo! #5347] Re: Re:chapter and character discussion Date: 7/29/00 11:52 pm (ET) As for comments about age and Percy and Quidditch... Wood makes the comment in his seven years there Gryffindor hasn't won once (until Harry wins, beating Malfoy (oh, I cheered that one!) the Cup, and that this was his last chance. (PoA) Harry and Ron were 13, and Percy was Head Boy (What is with these Headboy/girl stuff, anyway? And Prefects? they sound like hall monitors~!) which I assume is equivalent to senior year. Don't know if that helps or confuses folks. From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 04:00:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5353 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5350] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/30/00 12:00 am (ET) I read that line in CoS and then I re-read that. It states in PoS that both of Harry's parents were wizards... It might be the medicine (sorry, sick, that's why I read!), but I got a bit confused on that factor. ****************** 1st I'm assuming PoS is sorcerer's stone??? yes James was a wizard and Lily was a witch but.....and I quote Hagrid while he is with Harry in Diagon Alley, just after Harry has met Draco for the first time. "...some o' the best I ever saw were the only ones with magic in em in a long line o' Muggles - look at yer mum! Look what she had fer a sister!" to me that and other references show that Lily is a muggle born witch...like Hermione, and like Dean Thomas....She is not from a wizarding family with Petunia as either a squib or as a renounced witch. At least not in the books I'm reading. not to get testy, but lets go by the books not by our own random speculation. cj From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 04:05:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: Robes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5354 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Robes Date: 7/30/00 12:05 am (ET) This clothing discussion brings to my mind a rather strange question I have regarding the robes. I've never seen it addressed on any HP list, so I thought I'd ask. It strikes me as strange when I see "robes" being used in the plural (e.g., Harry changed out of his Quidditch robes). Of course, you're talking about more than one robe if you mean someone's wardrobe (Harry packed his robes) or what two or more people are wearing (Harry and Ron put on their robes). But I always picture each person wearing ONE robe at a time. Do their robes come in parts, so that a single garment is referred to in the plural (like trousers)? Do they wear an over-robe and an under-robe? Or is it, as I thought in the beginning, a very subtle difference between US English and British English? Thoughts/clarifications, anyone? Melanie From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 06:02:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:02:00 -0400 Subject: Robes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5355 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Robes Reply To: [Yahoo! #5354] Robes Date: 7/30/00 2:02 am (ET) Thanks~~~!!!! (for the pic via email) What is that he has on underneath that robe, shorts? it appears like the robes that we used for granduation, where alot of the seniors wore t-shirt and jean shorts! I always pictured it like the robes that I saw that Oxford wore to class (similar to ours), in that Rob Lowe movie. Then I picture Harry wearing the t-shirt and jeans underneath that. It's my imagination, and I shall think what I want. Grins. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 06:03:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:03:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5356 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5339] Re: Chat Time Date: 7/30/00 2:03 am (ET) You are correct. The difference of GMT and CST is -6 hours. But the difference of GMT and CDT is -5 hours. Currently, in the US we are going by CDT in the Central Time Zone. Your country may not have such a thing. Your computer probably is taking this into account (mine does). Remember, according to Nick, London isn't using GMT at the moment. They are using BST (British Summer Time) which is similar to our Daylight Savings Time. Later in the year Britain will switch back to GMT (and I will later switch from CDT to CST). Exactly when that later is, I rather not even think about that now. Here's a big ol' map with the STANDARD time zones. http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/Maps/world_maps/Time_95.jpg Our Muggle world is very complex. I wonder if the wizard world has similar difficulties. From irene8888 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 06:57:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:57:00 -0400 Subject: The gleam in Dumbledore's eye Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5357 From: irene8888 Subject: The gleam in Dumbledore's eye Date: 7/30/00 2:57 am (ET) I am so perplexed by the passage on page 696 (Chapter 36, The Parting of the Ways) where Harry glimpses 'a gleam of something like triumph - is it me or is good old Dumbledore is turning into a Voldemort accomplice right before my eyes? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 09:53:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:53:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5358 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5356] Re: Chat Time Date: 7/30/00 5:53 am (ET) <<Remember, according to Nick, London isn't using GMT at the moment. They are using BST (British Summer Time) which is similar to our Daylight Savings Time. Later in the year Britain will switch back to GMT>> Actually, I think it was me (I know, we all sound the same!). BST ends on 29th October. It would be handy if Daylight Saving Time changed back on the same day, but what are the chances of that? Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 10:32:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:32:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5359 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5353] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/30/00 6:32 am (ET) << She is not from a wizarding family with Petunia as either a squib or as a renounced witch. At least not in the books I'm reading. not to get testy, but lets go by the books not by our own random speculation.>> You're right, the evidence is clear, and this is all my fault for going off at a tangent about Petunia without thinking. Obviously, she would have ended up at Hogwarts herself if she'd really been a witch... silly me. In general, as for going by the books vs speculation, I would say that what is true and what is *thought* to be true may not be the same thing. Speculation is part of the fun (fan fic being part of that, as you know) and often hits upon hidden truths. Okay, I'll stop trying to squirm my way out of it now :) Neil From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 13:00:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Aunt Petunia Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5360 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: Aunt Petunia Reply To: [Yahoo! #5359] Re: Aunt Petunia Date: 7/30/00 9:00 am (ET) In general, as for going by the books vs speculation, I would say that what is true and what is *thought* to be true may not be the same thing. Speculation is part of the fun (fan fic being part of that, as you know) and often hits upon hidden truths. ************************* Very true...we all thought Snape was the bad guy in SS, and that Sirius was the bad guy in PoA, so, point well taken in that things are not necessarily how they seem in these books, which is why we love them so much....and yes I should not be critisizing speculation in that I am in the midst of one big speculation (fanfic....A Sirius Affair).... off to beat myself with a wet noodle.... cj From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 13:01:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:01:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5361 From: plinsenmayer Subject: SPOILERS Date: 7/30/00 9:01 am (ET) Hi: I notice we've had a few posts where the subject was clearly a spoiler for people who haven't read Goblet of Fire -- and where there was no spoiler warning & no spoiler space. It *is* nearing the end of July, so I'm open to officially discontinuing the use of Spoilers for GoF. Thoughts? I'm going to try & drop by the chatroom later today -- will ask there too. Penny From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 16:04:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:04:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time DST Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5362 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Chat Time DST Reply To: [Yahoo! #5358] Re: Chat Time Date: 7/30/00 12:04 pm (ET) I believe that it does Neil! Dee From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 16:06:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:06:00 -0400 Subject: standings Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5363 From: GypsyCaine Subject: standings Date: 7/30/00 12:06 pm (ET) USA Today's Top 25 U.S. Bestsellers ALEXANDRIA, Va. (Reuters) - The top 25 U.S. bestsellers, based on sales through Sunday, July 23, 2000, as reported by USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com). Key: F-Fiction, NF-Nonfiction, P-Paperback, H-Hardback 1. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, by J.K. Rowling (Scholastic/Arthur A. Levine) (F) (H) $25.95 Last Week: 1 2. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, by J.K. Rowling (Scholastic) (F) (P) $5.99 Last Week: 2 3. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, by J.K. Rowling (Arthur A. Levine/Scholastic) (F) (H) $17.95 Last Week: 3 4. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, by J.K. Rowling, illustrated by Mary Grandpre (Arthur Levine/Scholastic (F) (H) $19.95 Last Week: 4 5. Who Moved My Cheese?, by Spencer Johnson (Putnam) (NF) (H) $19.95 Last Week: 7 From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 16:43:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5364 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5344] Drugs - Harry Pothead? Date: 7/30/00 12:43 pm (ET) I read an article in Newsweek (I think) that was an interview with JKR. She said that she doesn't really want to have topics like that (drugs, teenage pregnancy) in the plotline. If I find the article again I'll post a quote. ~Kaitlin From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 16:59:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times and Yahoo Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5365 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Chat Times and Yahoo Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5335] Yahoo Calendar Date: 7/30/00 12:59 pm (ET) <<the chat in Central Standard Time should be 2pm, but it shows up in my calendar as 1 pm. >> I actually had the same problem. That is, my Pacific set calendar showed the chat as 11:00-3:00, rather than 12-4. I just made a slight change to the club's calendar settings, so the default time is now GMT-1:00. If necessary, I will change it back at the end of October. For those of us in the Americas, that should make it adjust properly for our individual Yahoo calendars. I hope it doesn't do the opposite for our friends across the oceans. Let me know if there are any problems with this. Melanie (who hopes Penny is not now regretting making her a founder <sheepish grin>) From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:07:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5366 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5358] Re: Chat Time Date: 7/30/00 1:07 pm (ET) <<Actually, I think it was me (I know, we all sound the same!). BST ends on 29th October. It would be handy if Daylight Saving Time changed back on the same day, but what are the chances of that?>> Err...as someone who's had to deal with working this out for the past seven years in order to phone home, the words "miniscule", "trifling", "insignificant" and "cold day in Hell" come to mind. Would it therefore make more sense to put the times in whatever time the UK is using, rather than always GMT? Alternatively, it might even be easier to use Eastern Standard/Daylight Time (-5 GMT) and do the maths from there. Just a thought. --John From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:30:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: [gritted teeth] Chat Times Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5367 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: [gritted teeth] Chat Times Reply To: [Yahoo! #5365] Chat Times and Yahoo Calendar Date: 7/30/00 1:30 pm (ET) <<I just made a slight change to the club's calendar settings, so the default time is now GMT-1:00 >> [much scratching of head]. This is getting confusing. 7pm-11pm in GMT-1 is the same as 9pm-1am in current UK time because we're currently at GMT+1 here, in case any UK members are wondering. How about we just look at the chat room to see if there's anyone else in it? The odd hour either way isn't going to make that much difference. This is *such* a ridiculous problem considering the fact that this is 21st century planet earth! I had a conference call recently with three Americans, dotted around the USA, and two of them thought the meeting was starting an hour later than scheduled. Naturally, the whole thing went pear-shaped. I'm joining the Flat Earth Society and renouncing modern ways tomorrow [er, apart from the chat room - that's *such* fun]. Neil From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:32:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:32:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5368 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5334] Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 1:32 pm (ET) <<<<Is there any type of school before Hogwarts? Or do kids have to go to muggle schools before they turn 10/11 and go there?>>>>> Maybe they are home schooled? If they went to muggle schools, all the normal kids would probably think that the wizard kids were really weird. And kids would have more trouble keeping the wizard world secret than adults would. (Field trip? Are we getting there on broomsticks or by Floo powder?) <<<<<Also, how do small children already know things like transfiguration (like when Fred and George turned Ron's bear into a spider)? If they were able to do that as children, shouldn't McGonagall's class be a piece of cake?>>>>> I think the kids can do magic accidentally, but only under stress or strong emotion or something. Fred (unsure, it might have been George) was mad at Ron for breaking his broomstick, and Harry was about to be caught by Dudley's gang when he appeared on the roof. I wonder where the kids get more education in the reading, riting, and rithmatic area. We don't see any professors teaching algebra or literature or other things like that. I mean, these kids aren't learning anything past elementary school stuff. Is this just an oversight on JKR's part? From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:39:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5369 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5368] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 1:39 pm (ET) What was that one class that Hermoine was taking, it sounds like Math to me, but then again, some of the British classes' names are very foreign, even if they have the same subject as ours here! My first taste of English boarding schools, btw, was Eustace Scrub and Jill Pole! Grins. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:44:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:44:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5370 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5369] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 1:44 pm (ET) Arithmancy. That's the name. So what kind of class is that if it isn't math? From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 17:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school/class titles Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5371 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wizarding school/class titles Reply To: [Yahoo! #5369] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 1:59 pm (ET) <<What was that one class that Hermoine was taking, it sounds like Math to me, but then again, some of the British classes' names are very foreign, even if they have the same subject as ours here!>> You mean Arithmancy. We call Math 'Maths', but that's pretty obviously the same thing. Most other classes would be the same I guess, but... I always thought it was funny that girls did something called 'Home Economics', which translated as cooking and 'keeping house'. I kid you not - they actually had a furnished flat at the Girls' High School where they practiced ironing clothes and vacuuming the carpet! When my school merged with the Girls' High School in my sixth year, a gang of us used to hang out in the flat, smoking and playing cards. Another class that puzzled the hell out of me was 'Divinity'. It was supposed to be religious instruction [not reading tea cups, before you ask]. The Headmaster himself took the class and taught a whole year of 90+ boys in one classroom. He was a noted atheist, so the lesson consisted of each of us reading two lines from the bible out loud. Once we'd gone round the class, we went round again, until the bell rang. I think that was his way of fulfilling the requirements of the time. I agree that the Hogwarts students seem to have given up conventional subjects in favour of magical ones. Even vocational colleges teach basic three-R skills... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 18:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Arithmancy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5372 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Arithmancy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5370] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 2:11 pm (ET) <<Arithmancy. That's the name. So what kind of class is that if it isn't math?>> Sounds a *bit* like Numerology. 'Arith' is to do with numbers and '-mancy' with prediction of the future. My guess is it's the use of mathematics to predict future outcomes or probabilities. It could include things like synchonicity (the study of coincidences) and the science behind time travel and anything magical involving hard numbers. In contrast (but in the same area), Divination is concerned with psychic and clairvoyant abilities - instincts rather than facts. I can see why Hermione would go for Arithmancy - it's a very nerdy-sounding topic. Neil From johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 18:17:00 2000 From: johnwaltonspages at yahoo.com (johnwaltonspages) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Subject: Arithmancy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5373 From: johnwaltonspages Subject: Re: Arithmancy Reply To: [Yahoo! #5372] Re: Arithmancy Date: 7/30/00 2:17 pm (ET) <<Sounds a *bit* like Numerology. 'Arith' is to do with numbers and '-mancy' with prediction of the future. My guess is it's the use of mathematics to predict future outcomes or probabilities. It could include things like synchonicity (the study of coincidences) and the science behind time travel and anything magical involving hard numbers. In contrast (but in>> Can anybody say Psychohistory? Isaac Asimov, eat your heart out ;) --John From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 20:10:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5374 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #5356] Re: Chat Time Date: 7/30/00 4:10 pm (ET) Sorry, I am from the US. "Estados Unidos" means "United States" in Spanish. As I said before, I didn't know how/when Europe does Daylight Savings Time. ~Kaitlin From irene8888 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 20:52:00 2000 From: irene8888 at yahoo.com (irene8888) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:52:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5375 From: irene8888 Subject: Re: SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #5361] SPOILERS Date: 7/30/00 4:52 pm (ET) OOOpps!!!!!!!! my apologies - I'm new (obviously) so I didn't realize what I had posted earlier was a SPOILER - what is the 'protocol' for this? Should I have typed SPOILER on my subject? Irene From maxine450 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 20:56:00 2000 From: maxine450 at yahoo.com (maxine450) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:56:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5376 From: maxine450 Subject: Re: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5344] Drugs - Harry Pothead? Date: 7/30/00 4:56 pm (ET) that is so stupid. Harry is taking "drugs" that dont hurt him or make him addicted to reach his "goal". That author of the article is very uptight, I thought, at first it was a joke article. I agree it is very idiotic and I SERIOUSLY doubt kids would think about drugs when reading the book. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 30 22:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:40:00 -0400 Subject: SPOILERS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5377 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: SPOILERS Reply To: [Yahoo! #5375] Re: SPOILERS Date: 7/30/00 6:40 pm (ET) Irene, check out the FAQ on this club on co-founder Melanie's site. She's included a bit on spoilers. The URL is:- http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady Bea... er Neil From ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 00:06:00 2000 From: ReinaKata02 at yahoo.com (ReinaKata02) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:06:00 -0400 Subject: class titles (mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5378 From: ReinaKata02 Subject: Re: class titles (mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5371] Re: Wizarding school/class titles Date: 7/30/00 8:06 pm (ET) Here in the US they haven't offered "home economics" in years, but they sometimes offer parts of it: sewing, cooking, etc. They give them fancy names like "food preparation" and "clothing design." At my college they offer some really stupid classes that everyone has to take: Sex, Society and Selfhood; Seeing Through Symmetry; the Deceived Husband; Women, Weight and Worry...kind of tough to explain to the parents when they show up on the report card! Now about Harry...do you think there could be "magical conventional subjects"? Instead of regular foreign languages like French or Latin, they could learn languages like Mermish or Troll. Also, they seem to need Math calculations for things like Potions and Divination. Perhaps a "Magical Mathematics" course? ~Kaitlin, who thinks that Neil's choice of Yahoo ID (flying ford anglia) is really cool From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 01:07:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:07:00 -0400 Subject: class titles (mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5379 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: class titles (mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5378] Re: class titles (mini-spoiler) Date: 7/30/00 9:07 pm (ET) I think that the middle school in my town offers home economics. The high school has a course called Life After High School or something like that. And if there are any language classes or math classes, we haven't heard anything about them. And wouldn't the wizards need regular foreign languages as well as Mermish and whatever? The people from the French wizard school (can't spell name right now) spoke French. From s_ings at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 01:29:00 2000 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: Missed the chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5380 From: S_Ings Subject: Missed the chat Date: 7/30/00 9:29 pm (ET) I had the best of intentions to join you all for the chat this afternoon, but a 3 hour meeting turned into 4 1/2 and a dinner session afterwards - one of the pitfalls of festival organizing, there's just soooo much work. I'm very sorry I couldn't be there as I had been looking forward to it all weekend. I won't manage next Sunday, either, I'm off to a family reunion in rural New Brunswick (and I don't know anyone there with a computer!). Does this mean I have a life outside of Harry Potter? Is this actually allowed? BTW, the romantic anniversary dinner bit worked very well, I am now the proud owner of all 4 books (apparently I got the last copy of CoS in town). I have also managed to convert the other teenager in the house, which means it may not be long before the husband follows suit! I may have also talked a friend into driving to Toronto in October when JKR appears at the SkyDome. Life can be wonderful when things fall into place! Sheryll From shellymoos at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 01:50:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:50:00 -0400 Subject: more questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5381 From: shellymoos Subject: more questions Date: 7/30/00 9:50 pm (ET) Hi all. I was also wondering about the schooling for wizard children. Obviously they learn to read and write before they go to Hogwarts, so if they don't go to Muggle schools maybe it is done by the Moms, at home. I was also wondering. They never say anything about a tuition for Hogwarts so how do the make money. Now I know this is the wizard world, but they do still use money, even if it is galleons, so how do they pay the professors. Granted they get their room and board, but I'm sure they still want to get paid. Is it something that is subsidized by the MOM? Weird questions just pop up in my head sometimes. Later Shelly From shellymoos at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 01:58:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5382 From: shellymoos Subject: Re: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5344] Drugs - Harry Pothead? Date: 7/30/00 9:58 pm (ET) Oh my God!!!! Why does everyone just have to knock something just because it is popular? I am so tired of "politically correct". I firmly believe if we all do our jobs of parents right, and teach our children to treat each other with kindness and respect then there is no need to have to be "politically correct". I am one of those parents that hides nothing (well okay porn and stuff like that) from my children. It is something they are going to be exposed to in the real world. I encouraage them to question everything. I figure this way they will know what to do when a problem comes up. If it is something they have never dealt with before then how are they supposed to deal with it? I feel a little bit like Moody "CONSTANT VIGILANCE". But if we do our jobs right and spend the time with our kids and answer the questions they might have about books, movies, sex or anything then what is the problem. People who want to be ostriches when it comes to their children sort of make me angry. Sorry for the rant. Later Shelly From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:05:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Subject: ...the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5383 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5315] Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/30/00 10:05 pm (ET) > I also wonder why the MoM wasn't more alert to the underage magic going on at Harry's [muggle] school and in other places (the zoo). When he turned his teacher's wig blue and spirited himself onto the roof, for example, shouldn't they have investigated? Surely that type of magic in a child who doesn't even know he is a wizard (especially one they know is extremely powerful) would be a dead giveaway to the muggles! I think that MoM's laws (against underage magic, enchanting muggle artifacts, unlicensed animagi, etc) are mostly just a bunch of hot air. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:14:00 -0400 Subject: ...the prison of Privet Drive Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5384 From: Danemead Subject: Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Reply To: [Yahoo! #5383] Re: ...the prison of Privet Drive Date: 7/30/00 10:14 pm (ET) >>> I also wonder why the MoM wasn't more alert to the underage magic going on at Harry's [muggle] school and in other places (the zoo).<<< I still think Dobby "turned him in" to the MoM, thus the written warning. Maybe Dobby thought he could get Harry in enough trouble to keep him from Hogwarts that way. Especially because it was NOT Harry that did the magic when the pudding smashed... that was Dobby's spell, and Harry got the reprimand. Why? As you mentioned, he never got a reprimand for the other things he actually did, such as growing his hair back and letting the snake loose in the zoo. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:15:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5385 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Drugs - Harry Pothead? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5344] Drugs - Harry Pothead? Date: 7/30/00 10:15 pm (ET) "I recommend this New York Times best seller be read by all adults with children and consider if they deem the content suitable for their child....." Well, to be honest, I can agree with that line. It is wise for an adult to be abreast of whatever book falls into their child(ren)'s hands. Not only do I plan to be a factor of support in my son's reading--I hope to encourage it, and nurture it along! Harry Potter is one of those once in a generation books--it makes a family think, learn, debate, and be entertained all in one. It is sad that someone pulls out stupid stuff like that, but his opinion, after he read (at least he read it?) is that he didn't want his children to read it. That is his choice as a parent. That choice should not extend to other parents/children; but it should stay with just his own family. Just because I don't think Coke and Pepsi should be on a child's diet, does that give me the right to go to all my neighbors and berate them to remove these "drugs" (see label, yes, drugs! Lol) from their child's hands? No. It means that I as a watchful parent monitor the amount of pop, coke, pepsi, grape, whatever that goes into my son. That is what I have control of. That's it. There are a few things that I believe are morlally wrong--child abuse, sexual abuse, spousal abuse, alcohol and drug ABUSE (note, didn't say use, not my choice again)--are all society crimes, and do need to be intervened in to get the proper help to the people who need it. **Looks down, and sees the soap box at her feet, and blushes.** Ok, I am stepping down, promise. This is a sore point for me, someone telling me what my child can or cannot do, or that I am a bad parent because I refuse to let my son watch Rugrats (which is true, btw. I dislike the role model of Angelica, and at this age of 3, he doesn't understand the difference between right and wrong enough not to imitate her. He has been caught imititing things on the commercials already. My family and I got into a big fight over that one) I think you understand, though. If you think a book might be questionable, read it. It might just change your mind, let alone the child's. Open-ness is a spirit of the mind that needs to affect more of us. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:15:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5386 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5330] Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/30/00 10:15 pm (ET) > You can have Yahoo show the chat time in your own zone by setting your Yahoo Calendar preferences to your time zone (which can be done on the Yahoo Calendar Page under "Options" at the top of the page). No, we can't. Reading your post that such was possible, I immediately rushed over to the Calendar page (and noticed that it had changed from Eastern Time to GMT) and found NO "Options" button. So I read the Clubs Help, which is actually pretty pathetic, but at least did state clearly that the club's calendar is shown in the time zone chosen by a club founder (you). Anyway, now I am totally confused about how to convert the time shown to Pacific Daylight Time. Is it possible to attach a text to a calendar listing that lists the time in each of those zones that someone (John???) carefully listed? I'm *really* confused about Neil saying that they are on British Summer Time now -- I thought I had heard recently that Britain gave up GMT and BST in order to shift over one hour in order to be on EU time? US Daylight Savings Time ends on Sunday morning of the last weekend of October. A science fiction convention in Denver Colorado named MileHiCon gave itself the nickname 'the con with an extra hour' because that was their weekend every year -- until one year four of the five members of the Con Com (convention committee: executive staff) all vanished on Saturday evening to attend their various coven's Samhain Circles. MileHiCon arranged to prevent such a mishap in the future by declaring that their tradition had always been the fourth weekend of October, not the time change weekend. I was irritated. I said their respective covens should discipline them for running out on their responsibilities (even cowan responsibilities) but no one listens to me.... Moaning Myrtle is the character who most resembles me! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:20:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:20:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5387 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5368] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 10:20 pm (ET) > Maybe they are home schooled? If they went to muggle schools, all the normal kids would probably think that the wizard kids were really weird. I am convinced that there are wizarding primary schools. They are small local day schools and teach the 3 Rs rather than teaching magic, but the teachers are all witches and wizards and the students all come from wizarding families, and a character in my hopelessly deadlocked fic is headmistress of one. I am imagine that some parents who have some degree of familiarity with the Muggle world and either think it would be advantageous for their children to learn about Muggles, or who can't afford the tuition at a wizarding primary school, might send their children to a Muggle primary school after extensive home instruction in acting like your parents are just New Age nuts not real wizards. From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:28:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:28:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5388 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5387] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 10:28 pm (ET) >>>>I am convinced that there are wizarding primary schools. <<<< There MUST be, to explain how people like Arthur and Molly Weasley could be so dismally ignorant of everyday Muggle things like electricity and postage stamps. They've apparently never lived in the muggle world at all. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:33:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding school Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5389 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Wizarding school Reply To: [Yahoo! #5368] Re: Wizarding school Date: 7/30/00 10:33 pm (ET) > I wonder where the kids get more education in the reading, riting, and rithmatic area. We don't see any professors teaching algebra or literature or other things like that. I mean, these kids aren't learning anything past elementary school stuff. Is this just an oversight on JKR's part? There are only so many hours in a day (except for time travellers), and Hogwart's students have so many magical subjects that they have to learn that they have no time to waste on trigometric proofs or memorizing the names of characters in Shakespeare. In fact, I bet that wizards who don't associate with Muggles don't even recognize the name 'Shakespeare', even tho' he had contact with wizards and witches of his day. A point is that most of the school subjects that every students has to take are really of very little use to anyone. For example, the mandarin class that ran the Chinese Empire for centuries and had to pass Civil Service exams to get their jobs -- studied obsolete Chinese poetry and that was the subject their Civil Service exams tested. Having passed an exam on poetry in order to become Junior Commissar of Irrigation Ditches, one would then learn about irrigation ditches on the job. And the executive class who ran the British Empire when the sun never set on it had never studied trigometry or chemisty or physics or Shakespeare (maybe some practical trigonometry if they studied artillery at military college after leaving school): they studied the Greek and Latin Classics. There are a lot of purposes for which it doesn't matter WHAT the school subject is, just that everyone takes the SAME subject: to learn how to learn, to sort students by academic intelligence, to give all the people an experience that they have in common. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:33:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Back in Black Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5390 From: estesrandy Subject: Back in Black Date: 7/30/00 10:33 pm (ET) Speaking of hot air... After a month off for business travel, some vacation, and avoiding the message board while I tried to find time to read Book 4, I am now back on the board since I finished the book tonight. I savored this book, unlike some people who downed the whole thing in one night. I preferred to read a couple of chapters at a time over the last 3 weeks with some interruptions imposed by work in between. Enuff of that. Why did everything turn so dark in this book? If she plans to keep the humor and character development going, don't get too dark too soon ! We still have 2 more books before all hell should break loose. I thought the ending was kind of dark for book 4 (maybe should have happened in book 6). Anyway, it ought to scare away the little kids and bible thumpers. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: class titles (mini-spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5391 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: class titles (mini-spoiler) Reply To: [Yahoo! #5379] Re: class titles (mini-spoiler) Date: 7/30/00 10:35 pm (ET) > And wouldn't the wizards need regular foreign languages as well as Mermish and whatever? The people from the French wizard school (can't spell name right now) spoke French. It has been suggested that the wizard folk can learn foreign languages by magic. Even we Muggles have legends of, like, a stone you can hold in your mouth and then you understand whatever people say no matter what language it is in. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:38:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:38:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo funny antics. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5392 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Yahoo funny antics. Date: 7/30/00 10:38 pm (ET) Shakespeare (maybe some practical trigonometry ....they studied artillery at military college after leaving school): they studied the Greek and Latin Classics. There are a lot of purposes for which it doesn't matter WHAT the school subject is, just that everyone takes the SAME subject: to learn how to learn, to sort stude and there it ends. Interesting that it cuts off emails! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:44:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:44:00 -0400 Subject: Ah Ploo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5393 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Ah Ploo Date: 7/30/00 10:44 pm (ET) Question for the French lady (delwyn_march. Is your name Dorraine or am I confused again?): how are JKR words like 'wizard', 'witch', and 'warlock' translated into French? 'Ah ploo' is my attempt to write your 'a plus' phonetically in American writing (as said with an American accent). I guess 'a plus' would translate as 'until next time' or 'see ya later'. (So far you seem to understand EVERYTHING we've said in English: would someone signing off their posts with "See Ya" confuse you?) What I was taught in school, back during the reign of King Henry VIII Tudor, he of the six wives, was A Bientot (tell me that only REALLY old people who are totally out of everything still say A Bientot) which we were to translate as "See ya soon". From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:46:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:46:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo funny antics. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5394 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: Yahoo funny antics. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5392] Yahoo funny antics. Date: 7/30/00 10:46 pm (ET) > and there it ends. Interesting that it cuts off emails! The post on the Web archive fortuately isn't cut off. Here is the missing sentence: There are a lot of purposes for which it doesn't matter WHAT the school subjectis, just that everyone takes the SAME subject: to learn how to learn, to sort students by academic intelligence, to give all the people an experience that they have in common. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:48:00 -0400 Subject: Yahoo funny antics. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5395 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Yahoo funny antics. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5394] Re: Yahoo funny antics. Date: 7/30/00 10:48 pm (ET) Thank you. At least I have the capability to log in without encurring additional $$ out, like some of the other members (indicating the offline reading of email). It was annoying, because when I logged in, it had not only cut off your message, it also had mutilated it in the upper sections. I didn't see a word about Chinese in my email! Gotta love yahoo. From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:51:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:51:00 -0400 Subject: Good news from clubs, yeah!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5396 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Good news from clubs, yeah!!! Date: 7/30/00 10:51 pm (ET) "OK all you shutterbugs, club photo album disk space has increased from 5MB to 15MB. So, photo clubs like My First Car and The Johnny Depp Photo Album should rejoice! " <-- yahoo's main club page. That means more covers, yeah! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 02:52:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: The gleam in Dumbledore's eye Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5397 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: The gleam in Dumbledore's eye Reply To: [Yahoo! #5357] The gleam in Dumbledore's eye Date: 7/30/00 10:52 pm (ET) > I am so perplexed by the passage on page 696 (Chapter 36, The Parting of the Ways) where Harry glimpses 'a gleam of something like triumph - is it me or is good old Dumbledore is turning into a Voldemort accomplice right before my eyes? A ton of people have questioned that passage. You might want to discuss it on http://www.egroups.com/messages/gobletoffire which is a list for discussing Goblet of Fire. Most people assume that Dumbledore is pleased because this event in some way made Voldemort vulnerable. Some people think that Dumbledore was pleased merely that Harry had proved strong enough to survive it, or that one of Dumbledore's predictions had proved correct. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:04:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:04:00 -0400 Subject: more questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5398 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Re: more questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5381] more questions Date: 7/30/00 11:04 pm (ET) > I was also wondering. They never say anything about a tuition for Hogwarts so how do the make money. Now I know this is the wizard world, but they do still use money, even if it is galleons, so how do they pay the professors. Granted they get their room and board, but I'm sure they still want to get paid. Is it something that is subsidized by the MOM? I think there is tuition to Hogwart's, but if so, there must be a LOT of scholarship students. I don't really believe in the existent of self-supporting schools, so I assume that there would be donations from rich alumni (or simple auction of seats on the Board of Trustees) and perhaps also subsidies from the MoM. I expect that the MoM collects taxes --- that is something that governments so much love to do! Or they might not need to collect taxes if they just 'mint' all the money they need, having placed spells to prevent this from being inflationary.... A while ago, I said wizarding money 'probably DOES grow on trees. Very heavily guarded trees.' and my friend Lee suggested that a Money Tree sapling was given to each young couple when they married, and it would grow up and keep growing a crop of money until either both of them had died OR they got divorced. She said that would be a very effective way to prevent divorces. From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:22:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:22:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Hats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5399 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Wizard Hats Date: 7/30/00 11:22 pm (ET) The people who have trouble imagine crowds of wizard folk all wearing hats might be better able to imagine it after spending a long day at a good Renaissance Faire, where ALL the actors and all the good costumes among the 'turkeys' (paying customers, like me) are wearing hats or caps or snoods or kerchiefs over their heads: one of the Ren Faire websites even explains that in 16th century England, it was ILLEGAL for anyone over age 13 to go outside with their head uncovered (altho' Faire, at least, seems to accept flower wreaths as a head covering). I imagine that the students would take their hats off (the hat being part of the uniform) only in their own House. Earlier today I was wondering about the spectators at Quidditch games: would a sea of pointed hats block the view of everyone but the first row and the top box? Are the Quidditch hats (hats with team logos, etc, sold to fans) also tall pointed hats, or another style? Because adult wizards, who don't have to be in uniform, wear various styles of hat: the bag hat (sort of like Santa's elves' hats), the mortarboard, Neville's grandma's Victorian bonnet with the stuffed vulture.... From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:25:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:25:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Hats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5400 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Quidditch Hats Date: 7/30/00 11:25 pm (ET) This time I'm referring to the tall pointed hats worn by the players: aren't they likely to fall off? I guess they must be held on by magic, and the players' uniform robes must be held in place by magic, because I cannot think of a sport better suited for wearing unitards (long johns) than Quidditch! Never mind modesty, it could be DANGEROUS to have your robe blow over your eyes! From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:35:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:35:00 -0400 Subject: Wizard Robes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5401 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Wizard Robes Date: 7/30/00 11:35 pm (ET) Someone suggested a generational difference -- the kids wear jeans and t-shirts under their robes, and don't wear their robes at all when hanging out on holiday, while the middle-aged (my age) wear their robes as normal everyday attire. I imagine (and, as someone said, "it's *my* imagination") those middle-aged people wearing not-modern-Muggle underwear under those robes: knee-length bloomers and shirt-like chemises. While we know that old Archie likes 'a healthy breeze around [his] privates'. The kids could be wearing much more Muggle clothing because they have become closer to Muggles due to the shortage of wizarding folk after so many were killed by Voldemort. What could have happened around the time that Dumbledore defeated the evil wizard Grindelwald so that people born after that time would get into the habit of wearing underwear? Contact with the American wizarding folk who had (in my previous hypothesis) been raised as Muggles, no contact with their heritage until some British witches and wizards moved to USA almost as missionaries? From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:36:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: more questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5402 From: Danemead Subject: Re: more questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5398] Re: more questions Date: 7/30/00 11:36 pm (ET) >>>>a Money Tree sapling was given to each young couple when they married, and it would grow up and keep growing a crop of money until either both of them had died OR they got divorced. She said that would be a very effective way to prevent divorces.<<< Staying together for the sake of the TREE? Is that like muggles staying married for the sake of the children? {{Sorry, the thought just made me giggle}}. I wonder if Harry's money is accruing interest, or just sitting in the Gringott's vault. It'd be interesting to know just how rich he is (in wizard terms). I know we've had these discussions about the exchange rate of galleons to pounds. Wonder if he's wealthier than the Malfoys? From catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 03:54:00 2000 From: catlady_de_los_angeles at yahoo.com (catlady_de_los_angeles) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:54:00 -0400 Subject: Neckties Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5403 From: catlady_de_los_angeles Subject: Neckties Date: 7/30/00 11:54 pm (ET) I was wondering: what do wizarding folk have to wear for job interviews, etc, the way that Muggles have to wear neckties or female equivalent? For that matter, no one ever answered my question about what wizarding brides (and grooms) wear for their wedding? Lacey white bridal gowns like Muggles? Lacey white robes? Other? From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 05:00:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: more questions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5404 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: more questions Reply To: [Yahoo! #5381] more questions Date: 7/31/00 1:00 am (ET) I think that Shellys questions are really interesting, but I also think that if we start down this path we will go nuts. The wizarding world does not seem to have any sort of economy at all. They do not seem to produce or trade much of anything, and all their retail business seems to involve products which have little added value (in the economic sense). A very large percentage seem to work for the MOM. There is no explanation of how families such as the Malfoys or the Potters obtained their fortunes. However, this is JKRs world, and it should not have to make sense. After all, the HP books are FICTION, much as we would prefer otherwise (sigh). -- Joywitch, who despite the above statements and her advanced age is still desperately hoping for her letter from Hogwarts to arrive. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 05:49:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5405 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5386] Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/31/00 1:49 am (ET) <<Anyway, now I am totally confused about how to convert the time shown to Pacific Daylight Time. Is it possible to attach a text to a calendar listing that lists the time in each of those zones that someone (John???) carefully listed?>> First of all, I want to apologize to Catlady, and anyone else who was confused (and subsequently frustrated) by my calendar post. Actually, the calendar that can convert to your time zone is not the club's, but your own Yahoo calender. Even if you've never set it up, having a Yahoo ID makes it available to you (in the States at least; I'm not sure about any of the international Yahoos). Here are (I hope) clearer instructions for setting up your Yahoo Calendar: 1) Type "calendar.yahoo.com" into your web browser (note: do not include www in this address) or click on the "Calendar" link (in the "Personal" category) at www.yahoo.com. Since it is hard to find on the main Yahoo page, I suggest trying calendar.yahoo.com first. 2) This should pull up the default view of the calendar. Click on the "Options" link at the upper, right-hand corner of the page. 3) This will bring you to a list of ways to customize your calendar. To set the time zone, click on the "Calendar Preferences" link. From there, you can also tell it which hours to show, and whether to start up with the daily, weekly, or monthly view. When you have it set to your time zone (and any other preferences you choose), click on the "Save" button. 4) This will bring you back to the list of customizations. To put the chats (and other club events) into your calendar, click on the "Time Guides" link at the bottom of the right-hand column. 5) This will bring you to the Time Guides page. You will find us under the "Clubs" category, at the top of the table. To have this club's events show up on your calendar, check the Daily, Weekly and/or Monthly boxes next to our name. You can also use this page to list holidays on your calendar, or your favorite sports team's schedule. When you've added everything you want on the calendar, click the "Save" button. Next time you pull up your calendar, it will have the chats (and other events) listed and all set up for your time zone. From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 08:14:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:14:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 Summary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5406 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Chapter 4 Summary Date: 7/31/00 4:14 am (ET) Good morning, all (though I'm writing this right before bed). It's officially Monday and time for the summary. Just in case spoilers are still needed, here is my o b l i g a t o r y b a b b l i n g Chapter 4 - Back to the Burrow. This chapter finds Harry packed up and ready for the Weasleys' arrival. Uncle Vernon has dressed in his best suit, not to honor the Weasleys, but to intimidate them. Meanwhile, Dudley is going out of his way to protect his backside, remembering the pig's tail from his last encounter with an adult wizard (Hagrid). Finally, Arthur, Fred, George and Ron Weasley arrive in the fire place, via floo powder. Unfortunately, the Dursleys' fireplace has been boarded up, trapping the Weasleys in. Mr. Weasley explodes the fireplace, freeing himself and his sons--and making a mess of Mrs. Dursley's overly-immaculate living room. While Fred and George go upstairs to collect Harry's trunk, Arthur apologizes to the Dursleys, and assures them that he will fix everything before he Disapparates. But they simply look at him as though he's mad. The twins return with the trunk, and Arthur makes a fire in the ruined fireplace, and throws in some floo powder to send the boys back to the Burrow (the Weasleys' house). On his way to the fireplace, Fred drops a bag of candies, hastily picking them up before going into the fire, and disappearing to the Burrow. George and Ron follow, also vanishing in the fireplace. As Harry starts into the fireplace, all chaos breaks loose. A sweet-deprived Dudley has eaten one of the candies Fred dropped (and "accidentally" missed picking up). Now Dudley's tongue has grown a foot, and is still growing. Arthur tries to reassure the Dursleys, and to reverse the effects of Fred's candy. But Vernon and Petunia, shield Dudley from Arthur's wand. The last thing Harry sees before floo-powdering to the Burrow, is Aunt Petunia yanking Dudley's tongue (now four feet long), and Uncle Vernon throwing nick-nacks at Harry and Arthur. OK, discuss away. Melanie From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 08:23:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:23:00 -0400 Subject: Snape's task (and our confusing world) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5407 From: smitster1 Subject: Snape's task (and our confusing world) Date: 7/31/00 4:23 am (ET) I sent another Yahoo! suggestion. This one was to request a more informative Club Calendar. This timezone confusion (read explitive) could have been prevented if everyone received club-calendar times in his or her local timezone (which is set in the options for personal calendars). But I was most surprised that we (read I) could actually irritate another with a discussion of the matter. Oh well. Now for real reason of the post..... ... ... .... .... .... .... ... .. . . .. ... .... .... .... .... ... .. . First fact: One week elapses from the night of Voldemort's rebirth to Dumbledore's tribute in the Great Hall. First assumption: The potions class was going on normally since there was no mention to the contrary (as in the DADA class). Can we assume that Snape's task (that Dumbledore told him he needed to do) took less than a week to execute? I got the impression that Snape started his task immediately since he left as soon as Dumbledore said, "you know what I must ask you to do." Of course, this may have just been Snape's way of exiting at the end of a conversation. I'm probably stretching it a bit, but just wondering if anyone had thoughts about this beyond the (now abandoned) returning to be a spy theory. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 08:31:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:31:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5408 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Reply To: [Yahoo! #5405] Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/31/00 4:31 am (ET) Good find. This is most helpful. (And perhaps one day the two calendars will use the same "units".) From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 08:40:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:40:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Times / EU Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5409 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chat Times / EU Reply To: [Yahoo! #5386] Re: Chat Times Revised in Calendar Date: 7/31/00 4:40 am (ET) <<I'm *really* confused about Neil saying that they are on British Summer Time now -- I thought I had heard recently that Britain gave up GMT and BST in order to shift over one hour in order to be on EU time?>> I gather there has been discussion about aligning the UK with the rest of the EU, but that hasn't happened yet. The UK is part of the European Union of course, but the European Parliament doesn't set all the laws; some things are left to subsidiarity (i.e. the individual countries say 'we don't want the EU involved there, so we'll carry on as we are'). In WWII, I believe they had something called Double Summer Time - great for getting a tan! Okay, so BST and DST end on the same day - RESULT! Neil [now going to have another go at changing the calendar settings] From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 09:05:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:05:00 -0400 Subject: Accents - Moscow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5410 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Accents - Moscow Date: 7/31/00 5:05 am (ET) I know we've beaten the accent issue to death but I just had an experience here in Russia that may amuse and / or put a perspective on the question. A friend of mine, also from Texas, and I were chatting while waiting for the subway at Prospekt Mira station in Moscow. A black lady comes up to us and asks if we are British. No one has ever accused me of having a British accent so I had to ask why she had asked. She was from Cameroon and her contact with American and British accents were from BBC and CNN. We were talking faster than they do on CNN so we must be British. The day folks starting mistaking my accent for a British accent... any British accent... is the day I stop worrying about whether they will get the accent right in the Harry Potter movie. From sigma94 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 10:54:00 2000 From: sigma94 at yahoo.com (sigma94) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:54:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday JK Rowling! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5411 From: sigma94 Subject: Happy Birthday JK Rowling! Date: 7/31/00 6:54 am (ET) Today is Ms. Rowling's 35th birthday! THANKS FOR ALL YOU'VE GIVEN US!! From Frizzle_Fullpouch at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 11:54:00 2000 From: Frizzle_Fullpouch at yahoo.com (Frizzle_Fullpouch) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:54:00 -0400 Subject: Back in Black (GoF) spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5412 From: Frizzle_Fullpouch Subject: Re: Back in Black (GoF) spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #5390] Back in Black Date: 7/31/00 7:54 am (ET) H A R R Y P O T T E R ! I think that book four was great, and i think the placement of the return of voldemort in this book was a good idea, i mean he had sorta just been floating around in the past books, and since this is the midway book you need to have a big bang to keep the books interesting or else i feel i would have been reading the next book or two saying, how many more little problems can arise at hogwarts with voldemort not even back in some form of power. Plus voldemort has just returned, there is still plenty for him to do before he goes and starts killing wizards and muggles left and right. for instance the whole which side are the giants going to be on, and what about the dementors. Rowling has left plenty of things to happen before the grand finale From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 12:48:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: Fantasy casting - photos Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5413 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Fantasy casting - photos Date: 7/31/00 8:48 am (ET) I've added Celia Imrie to possible cast member in the photos section. She's a great actress with experience in Shakespeare and she's very funny. I was thinking she'd be good for Trelawney, but with the first HP film in mind, I can see her as McGonagall. Shall I call her agent? Neil From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 12:48:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: Got a question, saw this in my mailbox Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5414 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Got a question, saw this in my mailbox Date: 7/31/00 8:48 am (ET) http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/34513098 From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 12:50:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:50:00 -0400 Subject: Got a question, saw this in my mailb Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5415 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Re: Got a question, saw this in my mailb Reply To: [Yahoo! #5414] Got a question, saw this in my mailbox Date: 7/31/00 8:50 am (ET) Now, not hitting return this time (neighbor kid was here, annoying my son, and I wasn't paying attention to the key I hit!). Same link, here's the question. It says it's the "Harry Potter & the Philosopher's Stone UK ADULT VERSION". Now what is with that? I didn't think they made a children's version and an adult version? http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/34513098 From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 12:55:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:55:00 -0400 Subject: Got a question, saw this in my mailb Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5416 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Got a question, saw this in my mailb Reply To: [Yahoo! #5415] Re: Got a question, saw this in my mailb Date: 7/31/00 8:55 am (ET) Dee, all the books come out in the UK with adult covers (usually sinsister 'photoreal' black and white images - the train, the car, the hippogriff), as well as the regular ones. There are no sex scenes in the adult versions, only the covers are different! Bloomsbury seemed to think some adults would be embarrassed about reading a children's book! Neil - is on leave all week!!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:09:00 -0400 Subject: Happy Birthday Harry (and JKR)!!!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5417 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Happy Birthday Harry (and JKR)!!!!! Date: 7/31/00 9:09 am (ET) Hi: Just thought I'd point out that today is Harry's birthday as well as Rowling's 35th birthday! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:13:00 -0400 Subject: Skimmel's Question (Spoiler) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5418 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Skimmel's Question (Spoiler) Date: 7/31/00 9:13 am (ET) Hi: Here's the GOF Spoiler Warning & Spoiler Space for those who still need it. The consensus of people on the chat yesterday was that we would continue to use spoilers for Book 4 for one more month. I know, I know . . . tired of them myself. S P O I L E R S P A C E <<<Harry's solution to the Dragon task was to use a spell to summon his broom from his room. Now I enjoy Harry's broom riding as much as anyone but there is a small logical problem. Why not just summon the egg? He doesn't have to see the object he is summoning so that isn't the answer. Even if the dragon sitting on it was the problem, then he could summon it as soon as the dragon got off the egg. That way, there wouldn't be any risk to him.>>> My guess is that this would be "against the rules." We aren't told what the specific rules are, but if the point of the task is to test the bravery & daring of the champions, it would defeat the purpose if they could just summon the egg. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Subject: Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5419 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chat Time Date: 7/31/00 9:17 am (ET) Hi: <<<Melanie (who hopes Penny is not now regretting making her a founder <sheepish grin>)>>> My goodness no!! I'm relieved *I* don't actually have to try & figure out all this time zone & daylight savings time nonsense. I saw your post later yesterday about personal Yahoo calendars. Hopefully, this clarifies it for everyone. As for me -- I'm just going to figure I can meander into the chat room early to mid-afternoon my time & probably find people. <g> Sorry I got booted off yesterday -- I enjoyed the chat for the time I was there. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Back in Black Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5420 From: plinsenmayer Subject: RE: Back in Black Date: 7/31/00 9:21 am (ET) Hi: Welcome back Randy (I'd been wondering when Carole was going to give you a shot at GoF). I too thought it was a rather dark book overall, and like you, I would have predicted (before GoF) that the events of GoF would more likely have occurred in Book 6. I do think there was still plenty of JKR's own special blend of humor, but it's still pretty clear that the books are getting darker & the characters are aging. I really liked GoF -- they just keep getting better & better in my mind. But, it was darker than I expected it to be. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:21:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Accents - Moscow Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5421 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Accents - Moscow Reply To: [Yahoo! #5410] Accents - Moscow Date: 7/31/00 9:21 am (ET) I had a similar experience while visiting Germany and it's border countries in 1997 and 1998 on several business trips. If you spoke English, the first question from the local Germans, Austrians, Swiss, etc.. was: "Are you British ?" I believe it shows how your view of the world is shaped by your experiences. Since most of the people that they had met who spoke very fluent English were from the UK, it is natural to assume that we were from the UK. Also, when they found out that I lived in Florida (at that time anyway), they assumed I lived near Miami because the most common flight from Munich goes to Miami. I happened to live near Tampa which meant nothing to them, so I mentioned that I lived near Disney World in Orlando and they could relate to that location ! Our view of foreigners in the US is highly tainted by the movies and TV shows we are fed on a daily basis. I found that people in Europe had some of the stereotypes, but generally lived similar lives to those in the US. They did have a better perspective on work and vacation time. They get alot more of it than we do, and they have time each year to relieve stress. I think it makes them a little happier in the long run even if they don't make the extra money to spend on frivolous things ! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:29:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5422 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Chapter 4 Date: 7/31/00 9:29 am (ET) Hi: Here's that darned old spoiler space -- spoiler space - spoiler warning. Hey Smitster, I never can read anything you post after your spoiler warning because you're using punctuation marks as spoiler space rather than letters (I get these posts via email). I think Simon has mentioned the same problem. S P O I L E R S P A C E As far as humor goes -- this is one of the best of the GoF chapters!! Especially in the audio versions -- Jim Dale gives a hysterical side-splitting performance as far as the Weasleys being trapped behind the boarded-up fireplace. He emphasizes Fred's sarcasm & George's muffled voice (muffled from being pressed up against the wall). It's really quite funny! And, I *love* that Mr. Weasley draws attention to the Dursleys' rudeness & ill-treatment of Harry. He basically forces Mr. Dursley to at least say good-bye to Harry. It's wonderful that Harry has a family in the Weasleys now --- even a bit of a father-figure in Mr. Weasley. I think he prefers Sirius in that role, but he can also turn to Arthur Weasley as a role model. I'll wait to post Ginny comments until Melanie kicks off that discussion. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 13:45:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemorte Soup (book 4) Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5423 From: estesrandy Subject: Voldemorte Soup (book 4) Spoiler Date: 7/31/00 9:45 am (ET) Spoiler S P O I L E R L A D I D A I thought it was interesting that the way to bring back an evil bad guy is to make him into a soup. But I think the Voldemorte soup was missing a few ingredients because he decides to give Harry back his wand after successfully capturing him. I mean this guy has been literally hanging around for 13 years waiting for this moment to get revenge ! He decides to untie Harry and hand him his wand for a duel ? He's a few carrots shy of Vegetable Soup as far as I am concerned. Those Death Eaters (reminds me of odor eaters) seemed like the Keystone Cops as well. I guess all bad guys have big egos and must prove that the good guy is no match for them! If you have seen Austin Powers "Man of Mystery", you can relate this to the son asking his dad (Dr. Evil) to let him get a gun and shoot Austin Powers. Dr. Evil keeps shushing his son and saying that he must put Austin in some complicated predicament that he can easily escape while the bad guy is not looking ! I couldn't stop laughing. It must be written in the Bad guys Union handbook somewhere. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 14:04:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:04:00 -0400 Subject: Goblet of Fire title (possible spoilers) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5424 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Goblet of Fire title (possible spoilers) Date: 7/31/00 10:04 am (ET) I haven't yet read ALL of the messages that were posted over the weekend, so if this has already been addressed, please forgive me. But in my recent issue of Entertainment Weekly, something which we discussed recently has been confirmed. There was an interview in the magazine with JK Rowling regarding her most recent blockbuster. And it was revealed that Doomspell Tournament WAS the original title until it was leaked. So she replaced Doomspell with Triwizard and simply re-titled it. This was an idea which we had bandied about. S P O I L E R M A Y B E Also, an entire character was dropped - the rumoured Weasley cousin. She was not replaced, but rather Rita Skeeter was simply made a larger character to fill up any holes. I just found all this rather interesting. voicelady From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 14:18:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:18:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5425 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5422] Chapter 4 Date: 7/31/00 10:18 am (ET) S P O I L E R S P A C E <<As far as humor goes -- this is one of the best of the GoF chapters!!>> I like the contrast between the ungenerous behaviour displayed by the Dursleys and the attempts at conversation by Arthur Weasley. Most of the humour relating to the Dursleys relates to JKR's descriptions of them, such as, "The Dursleys rounded on Harry like a pair of angry wolverines." In contrast, Arthur talks about "eckeltricity" and his collection of plugs. The Weasleys often remind me of my beloved Laurel & Hardy and their ilk. Neil From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 14:25:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5426 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chapter 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #5425] Re: Chapter 4 Date: 7/31/00 10:25 am (ET) Good morinig everyone! Blah, blah, blah, filler, filler filler. Okay then! S P O I L E R S P A C E Can I just say that I fell in love with Arthur Weasley in this chapter? I was so proud of the way he stood up for Harry against Vernon. From vivace1320 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 15:17:00 2000 From: vivace1320 at yahoo.com (vivace1320) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:17:00 -0400 Subject: Goblet of Fire title (possible spoil Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5427 From: vivace1320 Subject: Re: Goblet of Fire title (possible spoil Reply To: [Yahoo! #5424] Goblet of Fire title (possible spoilers) Date: 7/31/00 11:17 am (ET) <<< And it was revealed that Doomspell Tournament WAS the original title until it was leaked. >>> Okay, that makes sense. I didn't really think "Goblet of Fire" was a great title anyway, because it doesn't play a huge role in the book. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 17:05:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my hands) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5428 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my hands) Date: 7/31/00 1:05 pm (ET) Hi all, I've added some more British actors to the 'possible cast' photos. These are my own choices, based on no information at all... There are three potential Snapes - Daniel Day Lewis, Jonathan Hyde and John Lynch (some might say they could all run for Sirius as well). There are also three potential McGonagalls - Celia Imrie (posted earlier), Jen Saunders and Miranda Richardson. I've also included Miriam Margolyes as a possible Sprout (or Pomfrey, I guess) and Rusty Goffe as a potential Flitwick. Any comments? Neil From siriusgeologist at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 17:39:00 2000 From: siriusgeologist at yahoo.com (siriusgeologist) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my han Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5429 From: siriusgeologist Subject: Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Reply To: [Yahoo! #5428] More fantasy casting (time on my hands) Date: 7/31/00 1:39 pm (ET) flying_ford_anglia Date: 7/31/00 1:05 pm Wrote: There are three potential Snapes - Daniel Day Lewis, Jonathan Hyde and John Lynch (some might say they could all run for Sirius as well). ********************************** I caught Daniel Day Lewis in "The Last of the Mohicans" the other day and immediately thought of him as Sirius. I had been searching for an image of a Sirius and that one really fits the bill for me. carole From karob_7 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 17:51:00 2000 From: karob_7 at yahoo.com (karob_7) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:51:00 -0400 Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my han Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5430 From: karob_7 Subject: Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Reply To: [Yahoo! #5429] Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Date: 7/31/00 1:51 pm (ET) <<I caught Daniel Day Lewis in "The Last of the Mohicans" the other day and immediately thought of him as Sirius. I had been searching for an image of a Sirius and that one really fits the bill for me.>> I agree... Daniel Day Lewis would be perfect in the part of Sirius. And yes, Neil, John Lynch would be a great Snape. At least, he looks very much like the Severus Snape in my imagination. Karin From gypsycaine at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 18:02:00 2000 From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (GypsyCaine) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:02:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5431 From: GypsyCaine Subject: Casting Date: 7/31/00 2:02 pm (ET) Neil, I stuck in photos of the people that you didnt, that we discussed yesterday in chat. Thanks for listening! Dee From schlaggen at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 18:04:00 2000 From: schlaggen at yahoo.com (schlaggen) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: Ravenclaw house head Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5432 From: schlaggen Subject: Ravenclaw house head Date: 7/31/00 2:04 pm (ET) I have a theory on which teacher is the head of Ravenclaw. In the first book, there where six devices used to guard the stone, each set up by a different teacher. It is reasonable, I feel, to assume that all four heads of house were involved in the protection of the stone. Sprout, McGonagal and Snape are definately heads of houses. This leaves Dumbledore, Flitwick and Quirrel. Dumbledore is most likely not a head, being that he must not appear biased in his duties as heasdmaster. Quirrel, even if he was, which I doubt, is dead and I can't see them passing of the house head job to a new guy each year. This leaves Flitwick, which makes sense since he like to make objects fly (My second favorite choice before I noticed the 6 traps was Hooch, because she teaches flying). From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 18:11:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:11:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemorte Soup (book 4) Spoiler Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5433 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Voldemorte Soup (book 4) Spoiler Reply To: [Yahoo! #5423] Voldemorte Soup (book 4) Spoiler Date: 7/31/00 2:11 pm (ET) >>>>He's a few carrots shy of Vegetable Soup as far as I am concerned. <<<< S P O I L E R S P A C E I agree! I'm thinking he's a little stupid to not only give Harry a weapon to fight back, just in order to put on a gratifying show for his pitiful band of followers, but he uses the EXACT SAME CURSE on Harry that backfired on him 13 years ago! Hellllloooooo????? What made him think that he could kill Harry with Avada Kedavra this time, if it didn't work before? Book 5 is gonna have the Big V losing some respect from the few members of his followers who can think for themselves! Maybe Lucius Malfoy is starting to wonder about staging a coup.... Big V is going to be really pissed at Harry and probably plan some major major major demonstration of nastiness to get revenge. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 18:37:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5434 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5431] Casting Date: 7/31/00 2:37 pm (ET) <<Neil, I stuck in photos of the people that you didnt, that we discussed yesterday in chat.>> I agree that Nicol Williamson would make a good Dumbledore. John Inman, though, is more Quirrel than Flitwick, and perhaps a bit old...? Neil From IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 18:52:00 2000 From: IamMattsGirl at yahoo.com (IamMattsGirl) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry casting? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5435 From: IamMattsGirl Subject: Harry casting? Date: 7/31/00 2:52 pm (ET) I apologize if anyone has mentioned this already but I have heard from quite a few sources that an American actor (the kid from 'Stepmom') is very close to being cast as Harry. Say it ain't so! Harry is British, not American! Does anyone have any light at the end of my tunnel? From salter15 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:09:00 2000 From: salter15 at yahoo.com (salter15) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter the Movie/Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5436 From: salter15 Subject: Harry Potter the Movie/Casting Date: 7/31/00 3:09 pm (ET) Ok, I know that this is a touchy subject, however, I thought I would but in my 2 cents worth. I know that everyone is pushing for British actors to play the rolls of all the characters, I am just worried that if the movie is "too British" that some of the American children (and adults) will not be able to under stand it. Personnally, I have a hard time understanding some of the phrases in the books and I am reading the American version. And my 12 yr old step daughter has also asked me about certain phrases. Thanks for letting me speak my mind. Janet From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:24:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: Handwriting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5437 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: Handwriting Reply To: [Yahoo! #5200] Handwriting Date: 7/31/00 3:24 pm (ET) > Second hump of m and n higher than 1st: self-conscious and worry what strangers think I am dying to see what the second hump of an n looks like <g> Nicholas From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:27:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: Usenet Harry Potter group Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5438 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Usenet Harry Potter group Date: 7/31/00 3:27 pm (ET) alt.fan.harry-potter Just thught some of you might like to know. I dread to think what AOL will call it. Yuck. I hate AOL... Nicholas From harry_potter00 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:36:00 2000 From: harry_potter00 at yahoo.com (harry_potter00) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Subject: Lily Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5439 From: harry_potter00 Subject: Lily Potter Date: 7/31/00 3:36 pm (ET) Hi, I'm new.I don't know whether you still want spoiler space but I'll give some. S P O I L E R ~ S P A C E I wanted to bring up Lily Potter. From rumours that I have read she seems to be important to future plots. There is decidedly more to her than meets the eye. But the enigma of just what it is about Lily Potter is still perplexing. The only physical trait that Harry seems to share is the green eyes. I also wonder about her house. It seems that we all take for Granted that Harry's Parents were in Gryffindor as well. My theory is that Harry's father was in Gryiffindor and that his Mum was in Hufflepuff. This would really carry out the Huff's house reputatutation for Loyalty as well as Lily's dying for Harry. There is also the question of why Voldemort was so intent on killing the Potter's instead of another wizarding family. Also in GOF the Priori Incantatem didn't seem to work as well as planned because James appeared before Lily NOT reverse order, (James was killed then Lily..) Well what do you think about this??? From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:40:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:40:00 -0400 Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5440 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Reply To: [Yahoo! #5298] The Onion (Party time for You-Know-Who?) Date: 7/31/00 3:40 pm (ET) Why has noone told me about this before? Mwhahahahah... I almost managed to not pee myself, until I readthe 'JKR "quote"'!!!!! Nicholas PS. Go here: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1199/potter.html > <<By: davehoz Date: 7/29/00 12:48 am Someone just E-mail me to say the Onion is a tabloid "journal" that makes Rita Skeeter look like Walter Cronkite, so maybe it's not worth my getting so upset about... >> ::cracks up laughing and has to be helped back onto his computer chair:: Erm...Dave...without meaning to be patronising or anything...you did realise that The Onion is a *joke* site, didn't you? ::cackles resound into the distance:: --John From shellymoos at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 19:50:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:50:00 -0400 Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5441 From: shellymoos Subject: Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Reply To: [Yahoo! #5440] Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Date: 7/31/00 3:50 pm (ET) I just read this article. Is this for real or is it like the Onion site. That article was sort of funny but this one seemed different. The fact they are telling parents to burn these books just makes me shudder. What is this, Nazi Germany, where anything we don't agree with must be destroyed? (Apologies to the Germans on our site) But really, closed minds to me are the worst sort of evil. Stuff like this makes me so angry!!!!!! Sorry for the rant Shelly From joywitch999 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:10:00 2000 From: joywitch999 at yahoo.com (joywitch999) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5442 From: joywitch999 Subject: Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Reply To: [Yahoo! #5440] Re: The Onion (Party time for You-Know-W Date: 7/31/00 4:10 pm (ET) >>>Nicholas says: PS. Go here: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1199/potter.html Just a warning for the *humor challenged* among us: landoverbaptist.org is a PARODY. It is HUMOR. It is supposed to be FUNNY. Do not take it seriously. It is making fun of upper-class, self-righteous, homophobic, right-wing fundamentalist. Do not take THE ONION seriously, either. Personally, I found the Harry Potter article in the Onion very funny, but the landover baptist article is a little weak. However, while you are at the site reading it, check out the Christian real estate section, with its phony ads for expensive houses with lines like: Jesus wants you to live in a nice home! Sister Marion Watkins Bought the Farm (God Bless her soul) Now you can buy her House! Yes, Sister Marion has gone to Jesus but the Watkin Faimlies loss will be your gain! "Jesus, Your serve or Mine?" is what you will be asking as you hit the DOUBLE clay courts. Free Form pool has exact replica of the Jordan River leading to the diving area. LEVITICUS LANDINGS RETIREMENT AND ASSITED LIVING CONDOMINIUMS: Ask about the fixed income tithing that is offered in yourmonthly Association Fee, Jesus says " Grab your walker andback your bags! He has prepared a place just for you!" "The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therin forever", is what your Grandchildren will besaying when you buy this custom built spec home. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:33:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:33:00 -0400 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5443 From: hert0661 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5174] Re: Simon Said...? Date: 7/31/00 4:33 pm (ET) Someone (not sure who - discussion on chapter summaries) wrote "Simon mentioned discussing ch. 27" In the chat a week ago, Neil mentioned that he would like to do chapter 5 to which I replied that I would like chapter 27. I am happy to do this. Now to work out when that would be! I have been away on holiday for a week and am now trying to catch up on the 500 messages posted since then. This week has let my mind wander freely around and I came up with a few silly things, which will come in a post soon (needs spoiler space) Penny (from discussion on student numbers) wrote "So . . . it was just me ribbing you a bit. Sorry for the confusion; it was my own weak attempt at some sarcastic humour!" Sorry! I got the impression from your message that you were quoting from a film. Simon From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:38:00 2000 From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (ravenclawlady) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5444 From: ravenclawlady Subject: Re: Chapters, humour,.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5443] Chapters, humour,.. Date: 7/31/00 4:38 pm (ET) <<In the chat a week ago, Neil mentioned that he would like to do chapter 5 to which I replied that I would like chapter 27. I am happy to do this. Now to work out when that would be!>> You're all set for that chapter. That will be the week of January 8-14, 2001. Anyone wanting to look up the week of their scheduled chapter, may find it at: http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html Minor spoiler warning: That page has the titles of the chapters. Melanie From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:45:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Subject: Weird thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5445 From: hert0661 Subject: Weird thoughts Date: 7/31/00 4:45 pm (ET) In my last post I mentioned that my mind has been able to wander and think odd thoughts so after the spoiler space there follows a very odd discussion. My mind worries me at times! S P O I L E R S P A C E Please note this is intended as an amusing idea, and nothing else. We have had reasons brought forward for Harry and Hermione (No thanks), Harry and Ginny (NO NO NO) and also Harry and Cho (my personal favourite). So my thought was are there any other possibilities for Harry's affections and I came up with the idea of Harry and Hedwig. This would of cause require Harry to become an animagus snowy owl with trademark emerald green eyes. Leaving some very interesting questions, that I do not really want to go into! We see in GoF how she becomes upset when he talks to other birds (sorry for the bad pun), she shows affection to him when he needs it and is there for him when he is upset. I did warn you that my mind was in a very odd mood! The other idea follows from the thread on who we would cast in the movie. Last week I was reading Mort (by Terry Pratchett) and came to the realisation that Mort would be perfect to play Bill in GoF. This left me wondering if there were any other people from someone else's stories who would be perfect to play HP characters. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:49:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5446 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapters, humour,.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5443] Chapters, humour,.. Date: 7/31/00 4:49 pm (ET) <<In the chat a week ago, Neil mentioned that he would like to do chapter 5 to which I replied that I would like chapter 27. >> Welcome back and best luck with getting through the new messages! I mentioned that you were interested in Ch. 27 (phew - glad I remembered correctly!), because the chapter summaries were being snapped up like cauldron cakes! As you'll see, you've also been selected to lead the discussion on Peter Pettigrew. I swapped Ch.5 with Joywitch, so I'm doing 6 now. Neil From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:50:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:50:00 -0400 Subject: Chapters, humour,.. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5447 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapters, humour,.. Reply To: [Yahoo! #5444] Re: Chapters, humour,.. Date: 7/31/00 4:50 pm (ET) "You're all set for that chapter. That will be the week of January 8-14, 2001. Anyone wanting to look up the week of their scheduled chapter, may find it at:" Are we going to take a week off for Christmas as many may be busy with other things or spending time away? Also, if nearer the time, any weeks are left empty then I am happy to step in. I may be struggling in the next weeks chapter discussion. I got my dad to read PS and CoS and now he wants to read PoA and GoF. I am amazed. They are nothing like the books he would ordinarily read. Simon From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 20:54:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - where was it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5448 From: brooksindy Subject: V's wand - where was it? Date: 7/31/00 4:54 pm (ET) SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Hmmmmmm. Finished GoF finally. Lord V was disembodied and could not use his wand. Remember he specifically says that. Upon Cauldron Rebirth (remember Lloyd Alexander and _The Black Cauldron_? More Welsh magic tradition variation repeated) he has his wand - CLEARLY, based on the climax of book, his original. 1) What happened to it after the attack on the Potter's house,? Why did someone not recover it and destroy it? 2) Since it did survive, where has it been, who had it over the years? 3) If Wormtail recovered the wand to give back, how did he manage that? 4) Exactly what kind of body is V inhabiting until the Cauldron bit? Is it something made on the order of a 'Flesh golem' in D&D terms (think Frankenstein's monster, i.e. re-animated corpse) - is it all that was left of Bertha Jorkins? 5) One possibility: The wand discorporated along with Lord V. during the Potter attack. When he took possession of a real body, did it rematerialize? Speculations, gentlebeings? -Brooks From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:03:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:03:00 -0400 Subject: More fantasy casting (time on my han Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5449 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Reply To: [Yahoo! #5429] Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Date: 7/31/00 5:03 pm (ET) Is Tim Roth out of running for Snape, then? http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/07/21/arts.potter.reut/index.html From Carlsson79 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:12:00 2000 From: Carlsson79 at yahoo.com (Carlsson79) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle intervention Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5450 From: Carlsson79 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle intervention Date: 7/31/00 5:12 pm (ET) I posted the following in alt.fan.harry-potter, hoping I would get a reply there, but they seemed less than enthusiastic aboot replying. And I thought I could get away from you lot, and use some decent software ro talk to other Harry Potter fans. Looks like I'm stuck with you, and Yahoo! (/JOKE) Here's what I typed: Hi all This has always been something that has bothered me; The Wizarding world has a hundreds of cures for almost everything. We see even a school nurse sort out someone's teeth, cure skin disorders (boils), and various other things. The only thing JKR has ruled out is resurrection. I have really poor eyesight, and actually got the books on tape after major eye surgery, when I had to lie on my back 50 minutes out of every hour. I also have to go back to the dental hospital next moth for some operation... ~Anyway - I'm sure all of us have some weird thing we would like cured. And then ther's everything else. We've seen what house elve can do, and then we see world famine in the Muggle world, and I just wish JKR would have given a better explanation for non-muggle interference (sort of like a Star Trek Prime directive). You don't need to tell me there is no such thing as wizards and witches, and that it is only a book - but I'd like to know what their excuse is when I am deep into it, - and my mind starts formulating these thiings... Nicholas -- Judge not, that ye be not Judged. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:12:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:12:00 -0400 Subject: Roth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5451 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Roth Reply To: [Yahoo! #5449] Re: More fantasy casting (time on my han Date: 7/31/00 5:12 pm (ET) <<Is Tim Roth out of running for Snape, then?>> Apparently, he went for the ape, but who knows...? Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:14:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter 4 Summary Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5452 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Chapter 4 Summary Reply To: [Yahoo! #5406] Chapter 4 Summary Date: 7/31/00 5:14 pm (ET) >>>Chapter 4 - Back to the Burrow.<<<< I have to say that the chapters of the books in which Harry is with the Weasleys are the chapters that I go back and re-read most often. There's so much fun and love going on, in addition to the chance to peek into the home lives of a really large group of wizards! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:16:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:16:00 -0400 Subject: Roth Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5453 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Roth Reply To: [Yahoo! #5451] Re: Roth Date: 7/31/00 5:16 pm (ET) This is from Tim Roth's unofficial site: - "Rumors have been flying, but it has now been confirmed that Tim will take a lead role opposite Mark Wahlberg in Tim Burton's update of Planet of the Apes set to begin filming in October and released next July 4th. Tim was in talks to take the role of Snape in the upcoming Harry Potter movie, but that would create a scheduling conflict with Apes, so it is unlikely that he will participate in that film now. Apes will also feature Michael Clarke Duncan and Paul Giamatti." Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5454 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5450] Wizarding ethics and Muggle intervention Date: 7/31/00 5:33 pm (ET) <<And I thought I could get away from you lot, and use some decent software ro talk to other Harry Potter fans. Looks like I'm stuck with you, and Yahoo! (/JOKE) >> Praise be and extreme joy, that you have returned to the fold! (/SARCASM) I get your point. If magic could cure the ills of the muggle world, why don't wizards do something about disease and starvation? Harry gets away with turning his teacher's wig blue, but Mrs Figg can't mend her own broken leg for fear of being arrested by the MoM. Hmmm. Maybe those fake faith healers, like Benny Hinn, are really wizards with a special licence from the MoM, rather than millionaires with strange hair. Even magic can't cure injustice - much as we'd like that. Do they have police in the wizarding world, or just agents of the MoM? Neil From shellymoos at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 21:57:00 2000 From: shellymoos at yahoo.com (shellymoos) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: Sorry guys Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5455 From: shellymoos Subject: Sorry guys Date: 7/31/00 5:57 pm (ET) Okay so I feel stupid. Getting all worked up over something that is supposed to be a parody and intended to make me laugh. Even knowing that though I still can't laugh at the article. I grew up in the south and I know there are too many people that probably really do feel that way. There are quite a few people out there that really don't want you to think for yourself and I guess that is what I really have the problem with. Btw I am going to our local WB store tonight to see what the have. It's a pretty large one so hopefully I'll find something cool. Let you know. Once again I do apologize. I can see the humor poking fun at these people. Somtimes humor can be the best weapon. Later Shelly From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:12:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:12:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5456 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5450] Wizarding ethics and Muggle intervention Date: 7/31/00 6:12 pm (ET) >>>> I just wish JKR would have given a better explanation for non-muggle interference<<< I rather think there simply aren't enough wizards and witches capable of that sort of magic. We've seen several examples of wizards who have been disfigured or ill (Moody comes to mind) and they weren't restored to full health -- perhaps they were too far away from a healer when their injuries occurred. You don't see any of the other teachers attempting healing magic, except Lockhart who never let lack of ability stop him from trying anything). As for the other ills of the world (famine, poverty, wars, cruelty...) - even God doesn't stop those in the real world (if you are a believer in that sort of deity). It's the age-old unanswerable question of WHY IS THERE SUFFERING? People spent lifetimes trying to come up with a sane answer to that one. I don't see the wizarding community as a group of almighty infallible beings who could solve all problems with a wave of the wand. Sure, they have a few extra abilities when it comes to manipulation of matter in the universe, but not enough to transform the Earth into Utopia. From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:16:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5457 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5147] Re: Chapter Summaries Date: 7/31/00 6:16 pm (ET) "Well, in that case, let's give him Ch.35 (Veritaserum) and Ron Weasley. I don't think he'll complain! <bg>" I am not sure I understand what you are trying to suggest Neil. Well maybe the chapter, but why Ron? On second thoughts maybe this is a good idea! Sorry for the adding of an entirely diffferent thread, but I have another 100 messages to go as it is. I would place: Peter in Gryffindor (think Neville) Lupin in Ravenclaw (hard working) Sirius in Slytherin (reasons that other people have stated) James in Hufflepuff I am not convinced that James has to be in Gryffindor, but am also not sure putting him in Hufflepuff. He does show loyalty towards Dumbledore. I am more convinced at them being in the same house. I could not see the friendship growing amongst younger children if they were not. In the first few years winning the House Cup would get in the way and I would put them all in Gryffindor. Simon From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:24:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: Marcus Flint Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5458 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Marcus Flint Reply To: [Yahoo! #4972] Re: Marcus Flint Date: 7/31/00 6:24 pm (ET) "Someone asked JKR about this in one of her interviews. She said that Flint had to repeat a year. My guess is that she just forgot. Also, at just about any school I've seen, if you have to repeat a year you are not allowed to do extracurricular activities in the makeup year. But her universe, her choice." At the end of CoS, when Flint is meant to be taking his NEWT's, Harry's exams are cancelled. This may be extended to mean that all exams were cancelled. If so then Marcus could have come back the next year to take them. Thus his retaking of the year may not have been his fault. Hence allowing him to play Quidditch. As to losing the rights to do extra-circular activities if retaking... This is down to the school or maybe the House Head. I could not see Snape banning one of his best players from playing. Also Dumbledore is into giving people second chances. Simon From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:30:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5459 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Reply To: [Yahoo! #5456] Re: Wizarding ethics and Muggle interven Date: 7/31/00 6:30 pm (ET) >>> It's the age-old unanswerable question of WHY IS THERE SUFFERING?<<<< Just to add a note to my own answer, I am aware that the Buddhists believe that Desire is the cause of Suffering. As long as you desire health, or desire happiness, or desire security, you are going to suffer because you can't have them all them time. But if you want to debate that stuff, you should join a buddhism list. :D From ymekelly at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:30:00 2000 From: ymekelly at yahoo.com (ymekelly) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - where was it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5460 From: ymekelly Subject: Re: V's wand - where was it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5448] V's wand - where was it? Date: 7/31/00 6:30 pm (ET) I have one more to add to that list. How did Lord V use the wand on Wormtail to punish him with one of the 3 deadly cruses if he had no body? ymekelly From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:33:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: Lily's family history Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5461 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Lily's family history Reply To: [Yahoo! #5009] Re: Lily's family history Date: 7/31/00 6:33 pm (ET) "A) Lily and Petunia Riddle (The "Harry, I am your *grand*father" theory)" Far too obvious. I will be serverly dissapointed in JKR if this happens. "B) Lily and Petunia Weasley (In which case they really *are* Harry's true family)" Then Dumbledore has lied, something which he says he will not do. "C) Lily and Petunia Snape (In which Severus wasn't *in love* with Lily but was her over-protective older brother, who hates James for "carrying her off" and Voldemort for killing her, which he blames James for too.)" Dumbledore describes James/Serverus as Harry/Draco. This would put them in the same school year. James and Lily were Head Boy and Girl together. I would be almost certain that this puts tem in the same school year. Hence Serverus is unlikely to be an older brother. Maybe a twin, which could explain the reasoning even more and also why Snape turned spy. This would leave the question of why Snape hates Harry as they are then related. Also leaving the question of families (as in B) and Dumbledore lying. Simon From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:37:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:37:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - where was it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5462 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: V's wand - where was it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5448] V's wand - where was it? Date: 7/31/00 6:37 pm (ET) I wrote: >1) What happened to it after the attack on the >Potter's house,? Why did > someone not recover it and destroy it? > 2) Since it did survive, where has it been, who >had it over the years? > 3) If Wormtail recovered the wand to give back, >how did he manage > that? 'Twas suggested to me that after Hagrid left there, Pettigrew went to the wreck of the Potter's house to look for V's body and found V's wand there, and hid it just in case. -Brooks From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:42:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:42:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5463 From: hert0661 Subject: Snape Date: 7/31/00 6:42 pm (ET) This message will contain spoilers for GoF. SO look away now if you do not want to read them. S P O I L E R S P A C E There has been plenty of talk of the task Dumbledore had for Snape. When I first read the bit where Voldemort is talking to the Death Eater's my first reaction was Karkaroff for the one who has run off and Snape to be killed. When I sat back and thought about htis after rereading GoF my reaction was to change this to the other way round. I would suspect that Voldemort does not know Snape was a spy. If he had found out before his 'accident' then he would have killed him. Since then I do not know who would have been able to tell him. However Karkaroff put some Death Eaters in Azkaban and I would guess that Crouch would know this and woulod have mentioned it. It is worth noting that Voldemort's two helpers in getting his body back have hardly been able to follow wizarding affairs for the last few years. Also I got the impression that Snape went off to do 'the task' straight away. The third task to end of term feast is at least one week and quite likely that it is longer. I doubt, if Snape was going back to spy, that he would have wanted to wait too long before going back. The longer he left it the more guilty he looks. SO I guess by the end of term feast he has already started the task. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:46:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5464 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5457] Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Date: 7/31/00 6:46 pm (ET) <<"Well, in that case, let's give him Ch.35 (Veritaserum) and Ron Weasley. I don't think he'll complain! <bg>" I am not sure I understand what you are trying to suggest Neil. Well maybe the chapter, but why Ron? On second thoughts maybe this is a good idea!>> Hmmm - what *was* I suggesting? Well, that chapter is a good one and Ron is a major character I thought you liked (actually, I thought Sirius was your favourite but he was already taken!). Neil :p From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:47:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Subject: V's wand - where was it? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5465 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: V's wand - where was it? Reply To: [Yahoo! #5460] Re: V's wand - where was it? Date: 7/31/00 6:47 pm (ET) >I have one more to add to that list. > How did Lord V use the wand on Wormtail to >punish him with one of > the 3 deadly cruses if he had no body? SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER He clearly *has* an inferior sort of body, which is why I made the suggestion that V is inhabiting/animating perhaps a pitiful wreck that used to be human (perhaps Bertha's) in Chap 1 of GOF. Or perhaps he had possessed some sort of animal - one with opposable thumbs, though! or perhaps he inhabited a Mini-Me Lord V! :-) Or perhaps one of his anti-death precautions was a piece of himself cut off and kept alive through magical means (the old "I can't be killed because I do not keep my heart in my body" magic trick as used by certain magicians, and by Mad Hettie in _Sandman_. See Niven, _The Magic Goes Away_, for unpleasant consequences to dark magicians who use magic to prevent themselves being killed.... Wavyhill was chopped into itty bitty bits but was STILL ALIVE AND SCREAMING.... or would if there was enough of a respiratory tract and vocal cords left.... If part of V. himself was left somewhere and recovered, the cauldron makes even more sense - rather like growing a whole being by magically cloning surviving cells. The spirit re-inhabits and and hey presto, we're in deep kimchi all of a sudden.... -Brooks From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:49:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:49:00 -0400 Subject: Spolier and Quick Question Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5466 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Spolier and Quick Question Reply To: [Yahoo! #5312] Spolier and Quick Question Date: 7/31/00 6:49 pm (ET) Finally caught up with all the messages. Now to read Chapter 13 (PoU) and Chapter 3 (SA). I may even get some sleep soon! S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E "Harry's solution to the Dragon task was to use a spell to summon his broom from his room. Now I enjoy Harry's broom riding as much as anyone but there is a small logical problem. Why not just summon the egg? He doesn't have to see the object he is summoning so that isn't the answer. Even if the dragon sitting on it was the problem, then he could summon it as soon as the dragon got off the egg. That way, there wouldn't be any risk to him." This seems a much more sensible option but I guess some rules get in the way. I also thought that this would be a simple way of solving the maze at the end. Get broom and fly to centre. I guess there must have been some rules to stop this type of thin but we were never told them! Simon From brooksindy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:51:00 2000 From: brooksindy at yahoo.com (brooksindy) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5467 From: brooksindy Subject: Re: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #5463] Snape Date: 7/31/00 6:51 pm (ET) not want to read them. S P O I L E R S P A C E Problem - how come Snape is the only one that V. doesn't seem to know when he lies? ("He was a spy for our side in the end" ) Or is it that most of the other DE's are weak willed in the end, and always look guilty when lying (which V. reinforces by *claiming* to know when they are lying?) From hert0661 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 22:53:00 2000 From: hert0661 at yahoo.com (hert0661) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:53:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5468 From: hert0661 Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Reply To: [Yahoo! #5464] Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Date: 7/31/00 6:53 pm (ET) "Hmmm - what *was* I suggesting? Well, that chapter is a good one and Ron is a major character I thought you liked (actually, I thought Sirius was your favourite but he was already taken!)." I found it a little long winded. It goes on forever just to give you a couple of pointers to what has been happening for the past year! I think Hedwig is fast becoming my favourite character. Can we fit her in somewhere? Ron is good, I can identify with him in many ways. Simon From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 23:01:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:01:00 -0400 Subject: V/GoF Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5469 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: V/GoF Reply To: [Yahoo! #5465] Re: V's wand - where was it? Date: 7/31/00 7:01 pm (ET) spoiler etc e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e <<He clearly *has* an inferior sort of body, which is why I made the suggestion that V is inhabiting/animating perhaps a pitiful wreck that used to be human (perhaps Bertha's) in Chap 1 of GOF.>> Through using Nagini's venom to restore himself I believe Voldemort became a sort of human/reptilian hybrid, which took a foetal form until he could be restored to a more human appearance. BTW Brooks, your theories are like a blow by blow autopsies! Neil... thinks this sounds like an episode of the X-Files From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 23:11:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:11:00 -0400 Subject: Chapter Summaries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5470 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Chapter Summaries Reply To: [Yahoo! #5468] Re: Chapter Summaries/sorting marauders Date: 7/31/00 7:11 pm (ET) <<I found it a little long winded. It goes on forever just to give you a couple of pointers to what has been happening for the past year!>> Oh well, never mind ... should have said nothing I guess. BTW, Hedwig is due for discussion quite soon. See chart here: - http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady/discussion.html Neil From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon Jul 31 23:18:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:18:00 -0400 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C5471 From: Danemead Subject: Crookshanks Date: 7/31/00 7:18 pm (ET) This is totally off topic for GoF, but does anyone else believe that Crookshanks is more than just a cat? I'm starting to have the feeling that he may be another unregistered animagus who is in hiding, like Sirius. In the first place, he immediately went for Scabbers in the shop, and spent the rest of PoA keeping a very close eye on him. He also was assisting Sirius, in obtaining the list of passwords from Neville, and in carrying the order for the Firebolt for Sirius. I think he's going to turn out to be one of those "lurkers" like Scabbers, who is just hanging around in the story until some surprise moment when his identity is revealed. On another note, HOW did Peter Pettigrew come to be the pet rat of Percy (and later Ron)? I'd like to hear the story behind that particular business, too. (Antenna quivering....)