From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 01:10:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:10:00 -0500 Subject: Interesting Typo in UK Version Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C537 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Re: Interesting Typo in UK Version Reply To: [Yahoo! #535] Re: Interesting Typo in UK Version Date: 2/29/00 8:10 pm (ET) It isnt a typo...i read it somewhere that they had to go through an change the book a bit accordinglty to the place that it would go out...like in the uk some of there words may be diffrent to the language we use in the us an canada... this may also effect the sentances around it, they have to make it make sence...its just like they have to change it when they translate it to... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 01:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:17:00 -0500 Subject: Interesting Typo in UK Version Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C538 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Interesting Typo in UK Version Reply To: [Yahoo! #537] Re: Interesting Typo in UK Version Date: 2/29/00 8:17 pm (ET) It isnt a typo...i read it somewhere that they had to go through an change the book a bit accordinglty to the place that it would go out...like in the uk some of there words may be diffrent to the language we use in the us an canada... Well, but you're referring to changes like making a "jumper" from the UK version into a "sweater" in the US version or changing "bonnet" to "hood" when referring to Mr. Weasley's car. They did make those changes for the American version, so that the American readers (the American children readers in particular) could get the full flavor of the books. But, the words "ancestor" and "descendant" mean the same thing in the UK as they do in the US. I'm an avid genealogist, and it would be a huge surprise to me if these words mean different things in the UK. I would wager they don't, mainly because most of my ancestral lines are from Britain and I've done a fair bit of research there. I disagree that the change was a way of Americanizing the book. From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 03:33:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:33:00 -0500 Subject: Exellent point..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C539 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Exellent point..... Date: 2/29/00 10:33 pm (ET) good point, but it still confuses me, i mean, isnt "desendant" meaning that you are related the the person in some way weather its your fathers grandmothers 1st cousin once removed or your fathers cousin twice removed(to put it in some kind of easy form)? an doesnt "ansestor" just mean a more direct form of that? thats what i thought... From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 03:43:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:43:00 -0500 Subject: Exellent point..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C540 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: Exellent point..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #539] Exellent point..... Date: 2/29/00 10:43 pm (ET) Websters defines "ancestor" as "one from whom an individual is descended". "Descendant" is "proceeding from an ancestor or source". So, your great-grandfather is your ancestor and you are his descendant. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 13:24:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:24:00 -0500 Subject: Typo? I think not... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C541 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Typo? I think not... Reply To: [Yahoo! #540] Re: Exellent point..... Date: 3/1/00 8:24 am (ET) As we all know by now, Ms. Rowling is very deliberate in her choice of words. We had a discussion a while back on how she uses language and words to foreshadow what will happen in the continuing story. My personal feeling is that "the last remaining ancestor" will most likely be addressed and explained further in an upcoming volume. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 13:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 08:47:00 -0500 Subject: Exellent point..... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C542 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Exellent point..... Reply To: [Yahoo! #540] Re: Exellent point..... Date: 3/1/00 8:47 am (ET) Quidditchfan already said it, but yes, your grandparents are your ancestors. You are the descendant of your grandparents. From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 17:37:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:37:00 -0500 Subject: Typo? I think not... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C543 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: Typo? I think not... Reply To: [Yahoo! #541] Typo? I think not... Date: 3/1/00 12:37 pm (ET) Which brings me to a gripe - why even "americanize" the book in the first place? I read many English novels when I was a child & figured out the different terms (ie. jumper = sweater, boot = trunk) from using context clues. If the publishers were that concerned about the colloquialisms, why not put a glossary in the back? Better yet (for the publishers), publish a Harry Potter companion. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 18:28:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:28:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C544 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #536] Ages Date: 3/1/00 1:28 pm (ET) You are right that Percy is in his seventh year in POA. I believe it says so when Harry gets the newspaper clipping with his birthday present from Ron. However, there is a larger gap than 2 years between Percy and Charlie. In the first book it says that Gryffindor hasn't won the Quidditch Cup in seven years and also that they hadn't won since Charlie left school. This would mean that Charlie left school before Percy even started. So the gap must be somewhere around 8 years. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 1 19:03:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:03:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C545 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #544] Re: Ages Date: 3/1/00 2:03 pm (ET) you know you're right .. wow, I didn't expect Charlie to be that old.. and what about Bill? I totally over looked that ... good observation From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 00:34:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:34:00 -0500 Subject: same? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C546 From: sunchick_004 Subject: same? Date: 3/1/00 7:34 pm (ET) so its pretty much the same, ansestor - desendant spelling... grandparent - you... or the other way around.... right..im totally confuzed.. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 02:50:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:50:00 -0500 Subject: Ancestors/descendants Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C547 From: melaniem68 Subject: Ancestors/descendants Reply To: [Yahoo! #546] same? Date: 3/1/00 9:50 pm (ET) <<so its pretty much the same, ansestor - desendant spelling... grandparent - you... or the other way around.... right..im totally confuzed.. >> I'm not sure if I understood your question correctly, Sunchick. If I've misunderstood, forgive me. But, to (hopefully) clarify the ancestor/descendant question, they are actually opposites. Your anscestors are those who came before you in the family tree, and from whom you are directly descended. So it includes your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on into the past. Your descendants (if any) is anyone who is (or will be) directly descended from you. Example: your children, grand-children, great-grandchildren, etc, and on into the future. Brothers/sisters, aunts/uncles, cousins, nieces/nephews, etc. are neither anscestors nor descendants. I hope I've answered your question. Again, if I missed the point of it, I apologize. Let me know if you have any other questions. Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 06:51:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 01:51:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles and Magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C548 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Muggles and Magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #503] Re: Muggles and Magic Date: 3/2/00 1:51 am (ET) If you think about it, don't children of Muggle parentage need permission to go to hogwarts from their parents and guardians? I just joined and am coming into this discussion late. You make a good point there. To expand on that, don't the parents/guardians have to account for where the children attend school? If a friend or relative is simply asking after the child (small talk) the parents can simply name a "worldly" school (as the Dursleys did with Aunt Marge). But what if needs to know for more serious reasons, and actually checks with the school? Just another "pesky detail". Melanie PS: Of course, someone let it slip to a muggle by the name of Jo Rowling, so now the whole muggle world knows about Hogwarts! <g> From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 07:11:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 02:11:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C549 From: melaniem68 Subject: Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 2:11 am (ET) Hi all, I suppose I've committed a breach of ettiquette by posting before I've introduced myself. My name is Melanie. I'm 32 years old and live in San Diego, California. I became addicted to HP in December, when I bought one of the books for my 11-year-old niece. Wondering what the fuss was about, I soon bought myself Sorcorer's Stone, and read it almost non-stop through the night. As soon as I could make it back to the book store, I bought the other two, and made short work of them, too. I heard about this board through a fellow member of a similar club (one for teens and adults), and look forward to some adult conversation about HP. If I were at Hogwarts, I think I would've been put into Ravenclaw (as I'm often told I think too much). For this reason, I regret that there are no major characters in Ravenclaw (or, for that matter, Hufflepuff). I can see this changing over the next book or two if anything comes of Harry's budding crush on Cho Chang (the Ravenclaw quiddich seeker). I think it will, though temporarily; I think Harry's true love will turn out to be Ginny Weasely. Well, I think I've babbled enough. I do have several discussion questions and comments I'd like to pose, but I'll do so separately. Meanwhile, I'm hungrily reading the past month's posts, to make sure I don't rehash "old news" (though I may send a belated reply to some of these posts. Melanie From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 13:44:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:44:00 -0500 Subject: Americanization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C550 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Americanization Reply To: [Yahoo! #543] Re: Typo? I think not... Date: 3/2/00 8:44 am (ET) For the most part I agree with you. I'm reading Prisoner aloud to my youngest daughter and she isn't having any problem with the items that have slipped through or are in other books. The whole premise, a boarding school for wizards is a lot more alien to most American kids than using "trunk" instead of "boot" or "cookie" instead of "biscuit." There is one area I wish they would have Americanized a bit more. I absolutely HATE it when authors write is dialect. (Its not really an issue of Americanization. I hated it when Mark Twain did it too.) Hagrid is the worst in the Potter books. And a drunken Hagrid is worse still. The crew of the Night Bus were also bad. There have been times when I had to stop the flow of the story to sound it out what they were saying a couple times. I can't see that it adds anything. Would the story have lost anything if Hagrid simply spoke plain, simple English? Rowling could have shown us his nature without resorting to dialect. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 14:06:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:06:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Popularity Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C551 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Potter Popularity Date: 3/2/00 9:06 am (ET) Does anyone know whether the Harry Potter craze is going on in any of the non-English speaking countries? Some of the charm has to be lost in translation. Diagon Alley and Knockturn Alley can't translate well. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 14:09:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:09:00 -0500 Subject: Americanization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C552 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Americanization Reply To: [Yahoo! #550] Americanization Date: 3/2/00 9:09 am (ET) Oh gosh -- I *love* the dialect! That totally adds to the charm IMO. I wish she'd put different accents in for other characters as well. I'm totally loving the audio versions for that reason (Seamus Finnegan sounds Irish, McGonagall sounds Scottish, etc.). Speaking of the audio versions, I highly recommend them to those that haven't tried them yet. Living in Houston, I'm stuck in traffic alot and they've been a lifesaver. I absolutely love hearing them in the various British accents! Seems like I had a new discussion point, but now I've forgotten it. Perhaps I'll remember it later. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 14:10:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:10:00 -0500 Subject: Popularity in Non-English countries Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C553 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Popularity in Non-English countries Reply To: [Yahoo! #551] Potter Popularity Date: 3/2/00 9:10 am (ET) I think so. And don't we even have someone from Peru as a member of our club? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 14:15:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:15:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C554 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Newbie Reply To: [Yahoo! #549] Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 9:15 am (ET) Welcome to you! I think you'll enjoy our club. I've found that it's one of the few Clubs/Message Boards on Yahoo that doesn't have it's members lapsing into arguments and name-calling. We all have our opinions, but we all respect each other. You mentioned <I think Harry's true love will turn out to be Ginny Weasely.> Why do you think this? Is it a hunch or have you found some clues to back this up? (Bear with me - my parents used to be teachers - I was always taught to support any theory I ever had.) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 17:08:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:08:00 -0500 Subject: Americanization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C555 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Americanization Reply To: [Yahoo! #552] Re: Americanization Date: 3/2/00 12:08 pm (ET) Here's a question: Since some of us (myself included) have gone to amazon.co.uk (or other sources) to get the "British" versions of the books, would you recommend getting the British versions of the audio books? I mean, can you imagine a BRIT doing the accents (which I, too, loved - being a linguist, it's just um..... music to my eyes? ears? hehehe)? Here's my problem... I look at the price of the American audio books and cringe... would I be willing to pay the extra for the "real thing"? Jen ps. I am a member of a reading "salon" (club) consisting of fellow instructors (and some of their friends) at the college I teach for, and my choice was the first Harry Potter book. Here's the breakdown of the fors/against: English teachers = against. Everyone else = for. Well, with two exceptions, and they're both fuddy duddies. ;) Anyway, one of the big gripes among almost everyone is that they "Americanized" the books in the first place. Does the American editor really think our kids are that dumb? Me again. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 18:57:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:57:00 -0500 Subject: Audio tapes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C556 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Audio tapes Reply To: [Yahoo! #552] Re: Americanization Date: 3/2/00 1:57 pm (ET) I don't mind listening to dialect. I prefer that. I also hate movies with, for example, a Robin Hood in Sherwood Forest who sounds like he's from the Bronx. As a literary device... nope. Well, perhaps when handled with great skill. Part of the problem is that lots of authors do it phonetically but we say things differently. Names and Thames do not rhyme to a British ear. The audio tapes are that good, huh? Maybe I'll borrow them from you when you're done. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 19:04:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: English Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C557 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: English Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #555] Re: Americanization Date: 3/2/00 2:04 pm (ET) I suspect that English teachers are a lot like those people who decided to award that British writing award to the new translation of Beowolf instead of Harry. How many people have read Beowolf of their own free will? Or having done so, were tempted to read it again? I have a friend who was a Latin teacher before she retired to become a professional writer. She always asked the kids in her classes to name four books they would save if they could only save four books and all others were wiped out forever. The kids NEVER selected the English teachers' favorites. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 19:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: Americanization Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C558 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Americanization Reply To: [Yahoo! #555] Re: Americanization Date: 3/2/00 2:07 pm (ET) *Are* there British versions of the audio tapes/CDs??! She asks with a gleem in her eye. . . No, seriously, I would prefer that as I am finding that I prefer the British versions I bought for my re-reads. I too wish they hadn't Americanized them at all. But, it does make the re-reads even more interesting. Trying to spot what's been changed and all that. Since I now own the audio tapes with Jim Dale, my husband will *kill* me if I buy British versions, but tell me anyway. <g> Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 19:10:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:10:00 -0500 Subject: English Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C559 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: English Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #557] English Teachers Date: 3/2/00 2:10 pm (ET) And we all KNOW that the English teachers SAY they don't like Harry Potter... however, I'd be willing to bet that they're all reading it secretly under their covers at night with flashlights. <LOL> You'd think that since these are the books that are making our children READ, the teachers would be turning backflips! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:20:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:20:00 -0500 Subject: English Teachers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C560 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: English Teachers Reply To: [Yahoo! #559] Re: English Teachers Date: 3/2/00 3:20 pm (ET) I'm an English major (although I'm not planning to be a teacher; I want to be an author -- maybe the next J.K. Rowling? Hehehe...I wish!) and I *adore* the Harry Potter books. I think Rowling is a genius because of all of the plot twists she works into her books. In "Sorcerer's Stone," when I read the sentence, "It was Quirrell," I just about had a heart attack! As Quirrell explained everything to Harry, I could see it too! She did the same thing with CoS and PoA. I wish they hadn't of Americanized the books. I read books from the UK when I was younger and I never had trouble understanding them. If I didn't know what something was, I'd look it up or ask an adult. I love the British accent and culture -- one of my dreams is to spend a semester studying in London; I hope to achieve that goal in a year or two. I also enjoy Hagrid's dialect. I think it does add something to the character -- I mean, I love Hagrid to death, but he isn't exactly the brightest crayon in the box, is he? Especially when it comes to magical creatures like Aragon. :) I think his dialect is "country-like," for lack of a better term, indicating that he was raised in rural areas and might not have had a lot of formal education before coming to Hogwarts. I hope I'm not insulting anyone, because that is NOT my intent! It's just MHO (My Humble Opinion). -- JoAnna From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:42:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:42:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C561 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Newbie Intro Reply To: [Yahoo! #549] Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 3:42 pm (ET) Hi Melanie, I'm guilty of the same thing. I visited the club a few times and joined a few days ago but never introduced myself. My name is Margaret. I currently live in Long Beach but grew up in San Diego and most of my family still lives there. I also bought the first book for a child, my 10 year old nephew. My sister asked me to read it myself first because of the subject matter (magic, etc.). Needless to say, my nephew never got that book; I bought him another one. I love the way Ms. Rowling uses language; it's so sly. There are phrases that just stick in my mind like too big to be allowed or pig in a wig. And the names! I do think the press is missing out on one of the main points about Harry. It's wonderful the books are getting children to read. But they haven't remained on the bestseller lists for a year because nine-year-olds are buying it. I get together with 6 other adults at Thanksgiving every year and the last time between the 7 of us we had all three books. My sister and her roommate were reading 1 to each other, I was re-reading 2 for the ??th time, and our hostess was in the middle of 3. I like this club because as someone else said, there is no name-calling, etc. And some interesting ideas are discussed. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 20:54:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:54:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles and Magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C562 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Muggles and Magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #548] Re: Muggles and Magic Date: 3/2/00 3:54 pm (ET) The idea of how many Muggles know about the magic world is interesting. The ones I always wondered about are the ones who get the letter from Hogwarts but decide not to attend. Do you suppose the Ministry of Magic sends out wizards to modify their memory so they don't remember the letter? And do strange things continue to happen in their lives because they are wizards/witches but don't acknowledge it (or remember it if their memories are altered)? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 21:07:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C563 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Newbie Intro Reply To: [Yahoo! #561] Re: Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 4:07 pm (ET) Welcome Margaret! I like the "too big to be allowed" phrase too! She's got some great ones. I like your point about the books *couldn't* remain in the top slots of the NY Times Bestsellers List if *only* children were buying them!! I agree completely! Does anyone know whether the books have spent a record amount of time on the Bestseller List yet? I know it was unprecedented for one author to have the top 3 spots. I also wonder how the sales figures stack out against perennial best-selling books by John Grisham, Tom Clancy, Robert Ludlum, etc. And how do they stack up against some of the best-selling books of all time, like one of my favorites Gone with the Wind?? Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 22:46:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:46:00 -0500 Subject: Bestseller's List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C564 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Bestseller's List Reply To: [Yahoo! #563] Re: Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 5:46 pm (ET) I don't know the record. Sorcerer's Stone has been on for 62 weeks now. The current #2 on the non-fiction hardback list, "Tuesdays with Morrie" has been on for 123 weeks. I suspect we'll have to settle for having three books on the list at the same time... which is seriously cool. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 22:56:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:56:00 -0500 Subject: Bestseller's List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C565 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Bestseller's List Reply To: [Yahoo! #564] Bestseller's List Date: 3/2/00 5:56 pm (ET) But not only are all three hard-cover books on the bestseller list but the paperback of 1 is on the paperback list as well. When I asked at Borders when 2 would be out in paperback, the reply was publishers like to wait one year after the hard-cover was published. I would guess this is because they expect the paperback to cut into the hard-cover sales. But this doesn't seem to have happened with Harry. I wonder how unusual that is. From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 22:58:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:58:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C566 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #544] Re: Ages Date: 3/2/00 5:58 pm (ET) About that gap in the ages between Charlie and Percy... Although I'm pretty sure its true that Charlie hasn't been in school for about 7 years prior to Harry's arrival, it doesn't necessarily mean that Percy wasn't at school while Charlie was too...it only means that Harry and Charlie are at least 7 years apart. It has been around seven years since Charlie has been at school, but not necessarily seven years since Percy arrived at school... make sense? Maybe Percy was already attending school, while Charlie was winning Quidditch cup for gryfindor... by the way.. where exactly do you find out that the Quidditch cup hasn't been won by Gryffindor for 7 years.. I'm curious... I'm always having to re-read these books to find answers to inquiries, could you help me out? thanx a ton From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 23:05:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:05:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C567 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Newbie Intro Reply To: [Yahoo! #561] Re: Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 6:05 pm (ET) You know when you guys started talking about those little phrases that JK comes up with the one that sticks in my head is about Dudley... where she describes that dudley's friends came over and she says that they were all big and stupid but as Dudley was the biggest and the studpidest, he was the leader.. I always laugh out loud at that part!! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 23:49:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:49:00 -0500 Subject: Bestseller's List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C568 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Bestseller's List Reply To: [Yahoo! #565] Re: Bestseller's List Date: 3/2/00 6:49 pm (ET) You may be interested to know (if you don't already) that there is also an "adult" version of HP. The text has not changed to be more "grown up" (though I don't know whether it's the British or American version). The only thing that has changed is the cover (to be more digni. I never knew the bestseller list differentiated between versions of a book (except when the text is different). But I would be interested to know how the adult version does in sales. Melanie From itm55 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 00:04:00 2000 From: itm55 at yahoo.com (itm55 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:04:00 -0500 Subject: Newbie Intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C569 From: itm55 Subject: Re: Newbie Intro Reply To: [Yahoo! #549] Newbie Intro Date: 3/2/00 7:04 pm (ET) First of all, welcome to the club. I too think that Harry's true love will be Ginny. I also think Ron might match up with Hermione. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 00:47:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:47:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C570 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #566] Re: Ages Date: 3/2/00 7:47 pm (ET) If Gryffindor hadn't won for seven years in book 1, then Charlie left school 8 years ago. Percy is a seventh year in book 3 which means he is a 5th year in book 1 and shouldn't have been in school when Charlie was there. I say shouldn't have because there is the example of Marcus Flint who was in his sixth year in book 1 and still around in book 3. As for where the reference is to Gryffindor not having won for seven years, it's somewhere in book1. I think when Professor McGonagall first introduces Harry to Oliver Wood but I'm not sure. I'll check when I get home tonight; I'm at work right now. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 02:23:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:23:00 -0500 Subject: Bestseller's List Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C571 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Bestseller's List Reply To: [Yahoo! #564] Bestseller's List Date: 3/2/00 9:23 pm (ET) I suspect we'll have to settle for having three books on the list at the same time... which is seriously cool. Why do you say that? The books (even Sorcerer's Stone) show no sign of leaving the Bestseller List. In fact, the arrival of Book 4 ought to probably result in (a) Book 4 debuting at #1, and (b) more sales of the 1st 3 books because of the added legions of people who are growing interested in the books. I'm not giving up on more records yet! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 11:08:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 06:08:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C572 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #536] Ages Date: 3/3/00 6:08 am (ET) I took Hermione to be two months younger than Harry (i.e., just turning 13). In San Diego, the cut-off birthday for starting school is (I believe) the end of November. With my January birthday, I was one of the oldest in my class; people born in September, October or November were the youngest. But I don't know how they do it in England. It also struck me as odd that the only three birthdays mentioned (that I remember) are Harry's, Hermione's and Dudley's. When is Ron's birthday? Or the other Weasleys', or their other schoolmates'? Or are they all in the summer, when Harry doesn't see them? Maybe people born between June and September have a higher propensity (sp?) for magic <g>. Melanie From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 13:47:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:47:00 -0500 Subject: True Love Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C573 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: True Love Reply To: [Yahoo! #569] Re: Newbie Intro Date: 3/3/00 8:47 am (ET) Of course, Ginny is a reasonable match for Harry and Ron and Hermione seem a reasonable pairing, (I'll be interested in what Norevoli has to say about that.) Why are we writing Cho Chang off so quickly? She, if I got the name right, is the Ravenclaw seeker that was making Harry's heart do flips in Prisoner of Azkaban. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 13:59:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 08:59:00 -0500 Subject: Book 5? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C574 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Book 5? Date: 3/3/00 8:59 am (ET) As an interesting side note, the German version of Amazon is now taking orders for Book 4 and for Book 5. They don't have a title for it yet... Apparently the plan is for Book 5 to come out late in the year. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 14:07:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:07:00 -0500 Subject: Book 5???? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C575 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book 5???? Reply To: [Yahoo! #574] Book 5? Date: 3/3/00 9:07 am (ET) Hmmm...I thought she was only going to publish one per year from now on... Don't know if I'd mentioned this before, but Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament (book 4) is already at the top of the list in Amazon.com. From hughmania at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 14:21:00 2000 From: hughmania at yahoo.com (hughmania at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:21:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles in the magic world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C576 From: hughmania Subject: Muggles in the magic world Date: 3/3/00 9:21 am (ET) I am rereading #2 and something caught my eye because we have been discussing muggles and magic. Harry stays at Hogwarts for christmas and receives mail by owl from the Dursleys! He receives a pencil and a note asking if he can stay there for the summer as well. Does anyone else find this odd? First of all, I was surprised that he would even be allowed back after the way he left. I also wonder how they got the owl to deliver the message. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 20:11:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:11:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C577 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #570] Re: Ages Date: 3/3/00 3:11 pm (ET) O.K. I checked all the books last night and here is what they say about Charlie and Quidditch: Book 1: The Weasley twins say Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie left (pg 153); Harry thinks if Gryffindor wins the next match, they will overtake Slytherin for the first time in 7 years (pg 216). Book 3: Wood says Gryffindor hasn't won for 7 years now (pg 143); McGonagall says Gryffindor will be out of the running for the 8th year in a row (pg 248); Percy says Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie was Seeker (pg 301). So there is a discrepancy between Book 1 and Book 3 about how long it has been since Gryffindor won the Cup but agreement that the last time was when Charlie was in school. So I think we still have a gap between Charlie and Percy being in school. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 20:15:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:15:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles in the magic world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C578 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Muggles in the magic world Reply To: [Yahoo! #576] Muggles in the magic world Date: 3/3/00 3:15 pm (ET) Supposedly our fearless leader (Ms. Rowling) has said in interviews that she will explain why the Dursleys took Harry in. I'm hoping that will also explain why they continue to take him even after the incidents in both book 2 and 3. But I'm even more interested in why Professor Dumbledore and company keep sending him back there. For one thing, you wouldn't think he'd be safe. I mean it's not like the Dursleys would protect him if Voldemort or his supporters showed up. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 21:03:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:03:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles in the magic world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C579 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Muggles in the magic world Reply To: [Yahoo! #578] Re: Muggles in the magic world Date: 3/3/00 4:03 pm (ET) >>> But I'm even more interested in why Professor Dumbledore and company keep sending him back there. For one thing, you wouldn't think he'd be safe. I mean it's not like the Dursleys would protect him if Voldemort or his supporters showed up. >>> Do you think Voldemort or his supporters would show up in the Muggle world? I mean, Lucius and Draco Malfoy seem to think that Muggles are on the same level as slug vomit, putting it mildly. If Voldemort is anything like them, he probably doesn't want anything to do with Muggles, even if it means getting Harry. After all, he was abandoned by his Muggle father...I don't know. Just a thought... --JoAnna From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 22:37:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:37:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C580 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #577] Re: Ages Date: 3/3/00 5:37 pm (ET) ...I tried to look up at what you said... I don't have book 3 but I checked up book One... Anyway, that little passage you found about the seven years thing, it actually isn't about quidditch cup... its about the house championships/cup... so harry was right in thinking that Gryffindor hadn't won for "nearly 7 years" in this book but maybe the references that you found in book 3 about seven years/8years deal with the Quidditch cup and not the house championship... I don't know,maybe they won quidditch cup 2 or 3 years without winning house cup? maybe after charlie had helped them secure quidditch cup cup but they had not manage do to so with the house cup. so then maybe chalie's only been gone 4 or 5 years since book 1.... do you think you could double check to see whether my deduction about Harry thinking that it had been nearly 7 years since winning house cup is correct? I'm not sure if i'm looking at the exact same passage as you because I have the brit version, but for reference the passage that i think you're talking about goes... "The idea of overtaking Slytherin in the house championship was wonderful, no one had done it for nearly seven years, but wouldthey be allowed to, with such a biased referee?" But still, you're right that Charlie and Percy still do have a significant age gap... now i'm curious and I'll be pestering one of my friends to give me back my prisoner of azkaban so I can check up the references you gave. this has been fun researching through the books... you pick up so many little things here and there huh? From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 22:48:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:48:00 -0500 Subject: Voldemort showing up in the Muggle world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C581 From: norevoli Subject: Voldemort showing up in the Muggle world Reply To: [Yahoo! #579] Re: Muggles in the magic world Date: 3/3/00 5:48 pm (ET) You know i wouldn't put it past Voldemort to come looking for Harry in the Muggle world... actually it would be a very good strategic plan considering that Harry is virtually unprotected at #4 Privet Drive. But I think Voldemort's priorities lie with getting back all the power he has lost, before going to attack Harry. It may also be that he does not know where Harry lives in the summer. Remember how McGonagall and Dumbledore, left him on the Dursley's door step in the cover of night? Why do you think it was done so secretly with only Hagrid, dumbledore, and McGonagall knowing? Even now, only a selected few really know where he resides. You're right that Voldemort will not have anything to do with Muggles.. but the first things he would plan to do once he came to power would be to destroy Muggles, and Harry with them. I mean, the fact that he was abandonned by his father would be reason enough to want revenge on them... But do you think that... like his 16 year old memory in Chamber of Secret's, he will shift his plans/ambitions to rid the world of muggles and muggle born wizards to killing Harry? what do you guys think? From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 22:58:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:58:00 -0500 Subject: True Love Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C582 From: norevoli Subject: Re: True Love Reply To: [Yahoo! #573] True Love Date: 3/3/00 5:58 pm (ET) Your very right about writing off Cho Chang... we really know nothing of her personality... although I don't favor her way of playing quidditch, she basically let Harry do all the work while she tails behind him... I think that's a little sneaky. but I and I'm sure many others in this club wish and hope that Ginny's dream boy Harry Potter will some day notice her for real. I guess we all just want her little fantasy to come true huh? I mean she doesn't put her elbow in the butter dish for no one!(book 2) But give harry time guys... maybe he'll see the light (with Ginny in it =))... now about ron and hermione... they bicker like a married couple already so i can't ignore the pairing at all, (I fully accept the fact that Ron's got his own life and I am but a spectator to it skimmel! *sniff* just joking) Anyway... what about pairing up Harry with Hermione, I don't know about you guys but did you notice Hermione's little bit of attachment to Harry in the very first book? the whole episode of Her flinging her arms(before she left harry for Quirrell) and seeming to want to fling her arms at Harry (in the hospital wing after Harry's battle)...I guess after book one you get a premonition that she might pair with Harry but after reading further books, i can tell her heart belongs to Ron norevoli! From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 00:22:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:22:00 -0500 Subject: Muggles in the magic world Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C583 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Re: Muggles in the magic world Reply To: [Yahoo! #579] Re: Muggles in the magic world Date: 3/3/00 7:22 pm (ET) i agree, but would Voldemort care? i mean, even if he didnt want to asosiat(spelling??) with muggles, he could just kill them, and get to harry, aswell as leave the ministry of magic a ton of work. hes evil, he doesnt care if the M.O.M has a hard time, hes in hiding all the time in someones head or somethin anyways... i think at the moment, his main goal is the avenge the death of harry, then ride the world of muggles or whatever.... From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 02:33:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:33:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C584 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #580] Re: Ages Date: 3/3/00 9:33 pm (ET) You're right; that was the passage in book 1 I was referring to. I guess I just assumed that he was thinking about the Quidditch Cup since he was thinking about Quidditch. Shows it doesn't pay to take anything for granted in these books. I will check book 3 tonight. I'm pretty sure all the references in that book were about the Quidditch Cup but I will check. For one thing, no one could claim Gryffindor haven't won the house cup for years because they've won it every year Harry's been at school, haven't they? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 10:56:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 05:56:00 -0500 Subject: True Love Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C585 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: True Love Reply To: [Yahoo! #582] Re: True Love Date: 3/4/00 5:56 am (ET) I'm sorry this took a few days, Norevoli. I have read several posts from my computer at work, and even written a couple. But I'm interrupted so often there, my participation is rather choppy, and can even result in an incomplete post (case in point, 568). But on this one, I wanted to wait for a time when I could give it my full attention. Don't worry, I don't mind backing up my thoughts with harder evidence (or admitting it when I can't). I didn't mean to write off Cho, at least not because of anything against her personally. It was more because of a rumor I heard about book 4. I heard that everyone was going to fall for the "wrong" people at that time (though I don't know whether it's magic induced). Since Harry is starting to have feelings (or at least an attraction) for Cho toward the end of book 3, it got me to thinking she may be Harry's "Ms Wrong" of book 4. I'll also have to admit that part of it was because I've been rooting for Ginny ever since the beginning of book 2. When Harry first noticed Cho, I felt a surge of protectiveness toward Ginny, almost as though Harry were cheating on her! Irrational, I know, since nothing has actually happened with either girl. It's more hunch than anything else, but I think since Ginny's crush has lasted so long, it will eventually be satisfied (probably in book 6 or 7). As for Ron and Hermione, I think their bickering covers something they're not ready to admit yet (but hopefully will, again, in book 6 or 7). But I noticed Ron, not Harry, always seems to be the first to leap to Hermione's defense. It was he who ended up coughing up slugs, when trying to defend her against Malfoy's insults. He was also the one who showed the most reaction (disguised as Crabbe) when Malfoy, again, badmouthed Hermione. Well, I think I've rambled enough, thanks for bearing with me this long. Melanie. PS: If the mismatches in Book 4 do come from a spell, how about Malfoy and Hermione <g>? Then we'll *know* it's an evil (or at least misfired) spell. From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 22:15:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:15:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C586 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #584] Re: Ages Date: 3/4/00 5:15 pm (ET) Yup they have won the house cup every year Harry's been at school =) From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 4 22:27:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:27:00 -0500 Subject: Cho Chang and Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C587 From: norevoli Subject: Cho Chang and Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #585] Re: True Love Date: 3/4/00 5:27 pm (ET) Your thoughts on a spell induced love is rather interesting... but I wonder who would make such a potion? Anyway, I've also been holding the pom poms cheering "go ginny go ginny" ever since book two as well. But I think before anything happens between Harry and Ginny, Ginny character needs to be further devoloped. Although she ends up being the main "target" in chamber of secrets, we really don't see that much of her except for her few incidents of spilling porridge, sticking her elbow in the butter, and a few cruel remarks from Riddle about Ginny's attraction or maybe "awe and wonder" to Harry. I'm hoping that she'll be shown in further books to contain that Weasley spark that we see in Ron and Mr. Weasley. I mean that courage or I'll-stick-up-for-you attitude. But for now I guess I'll just have to satisfy myself with seeing Ginny as little meek Ginny, who on some occasions does allow her voice to be heard, although not often enough. But hey, my fingers are cross for her! i really do hope we see more of her in book 4, although we are guaranteed to see much of Cho. I was wondering... what do you guys thinK of Cho? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 15:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:19:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C588 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #584] Re: Ages Date: 3/5/00 10:19 am (ET) Here's another thing to consider when trying to figure out the age gap between Charlie & Percy: In Book 2, Ginny mentions that she's been looking forward to going to Hogwarts ever since Bill went. Ginny is 11 when she makes this statement. Ron is 12; the twins are 14; Percy is 16. If we think there is a 5-7 yr gap between Percy and Charlie, this would make Charlie 21-23 at that point. I *think* we know Bill is older than Charlie, right? So, he's at least 22 if Charlie is 21. That would mean there is a minimum of 11 years between Bill and Ginny. So, Ginny would have been an infant (or perhaps not even born yet) when 11-yr old Bill went off to Hogwarts if all the above is correct. I think JKR should hire some of us to "vet" her books. We seem much better at spotting inconsistencies than the editors. <g> From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 15:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:31:00 -0500 Subject: True Love Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C589 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: True Love Reply To: [Yahoo! #585] Re: True Love Date: 3/5/00 10:31 am (ET) Melanie -- I agree with your thoughts. She did say in at least one interview that all 3 main characters will fall for the wrong people in Book 4 as they start off in adolescence. I think Cho is probably his "Ms. Wrong" that he will pair with in Book 4. And, I too think Ginny might eventually be the one for him, although it's sure hard to tell since she's just not a very developed character at this point. If we believe JKR's statement that all 3 will fall for the wrong people (and since many of us have picked up on the obvious feelings between Ron and Hermione), who do we think the "wrong" people are for Ron & Hermione in Book 4? You know it wouldn't be out of the realm actually for Harry & Hermione to date in Book 4 as a "wrong" pairing. Maybe the hint about Cho was a red herring to throw the "careful" readers off. Oh, the other evidence with Ron that I thought of is that (a) her absence seems to be the only thing that motivated him to follow the spiders with Harry and (b) he seemed the first to be excited that Hermione would be up and about after mandrake potion was given to the victims. Penny From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 15:33:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:33:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C590 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #588] Re: Ages Date: 3/5/00 10:33 am (ET) You know I remember thinking that a statement a little odd when I read Chamber too. But I think I always assumed that Ginny had a tremendously good memory! so let's work what we know... We know that they haven't won Quidditch cup since Charlie left and that in Book 3 they mention that it has been 7 years since Gryffindor have won Quidditch cup, meaning around book 3 Charlie should be around... 24?(since they leave school at 17).. so in book one he would be 21? And now we know that their can't be more than 11 years difference between Ginny and Bill. So in book one if Bill is about 22 or 23, when ginny is still 10... which .. doesn't work...?? maybe Bill or Charlie have late Birthdays???? okay i'm confused now... From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sun Mar 5 20:58:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:58:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C591 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #590] Re: Ages Date: 3/5/00 3:58 pm (ET) One solution to the age inconsistancy (that very well may be explained in later books) could be that Bill started at Hogwarts after age 11. Perhaps the admittance age isn't written in stone, or perhaps Bill was seriously ill and had to start later (I know of a person who was sick with pneumonia when he was five and started kindergarten at six), or perhaps Ginny means that she's been looking forward to Hogwarts "ever since Bill left" because she'd grown up hearing about him at Hogwarts, and then watching Charlie, Percy, the twins, and Ron go. ???? Who knows? -- JoAnna From Pixzee at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 03:51:00 2000 From: Pixzee at yahoo.com (Pixzee at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:51:00 -0500 Subject: Shakespearian Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C592 From: Pixzee Subject: Shakespearian Names Date: 3/5/00 10:51 pm (ET) I was reading the HP books and sime of the names sounded familiar. I went and looked it up and realized that some of the names she uses are Shakespearian charaters. Like Hermione, that is a character from the Play a Winter's Tale. And then one of the Slytherin Quidditch players last name is Montague, which is one of the names in Romeo and Juliet. Do you think that this has anything to do with the plot of the books, or is she just using the name's because they are good names? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 06:20:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:20:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C593 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #588] Re: Ages Date: 3/6/00 1:20 am (ET) You have a good point about Ginny saying, "...ever since Bill went." But she didn't specify remembering when Bill *started*. She could simply be remember when bill was a student (she'd probably start remembering about when Bill was a third or fourth year). Does this make sense? Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 06:27:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:27:00 -0500 Subject: True Love Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C594 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: True Love Reply To: [Yahoo! #589] Re: True Love Date: 3/6/00 1:27 am (ET) I was thinking that if their love mis-matches are from a spell (instead of plain adolescent hormones), maybe Malfoy could be Hermione's "Mr Wrong." They'd be as mismatched as you can get! But I don't know any other female students well enough to think of one for Ron. Melanie From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 13:49:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:49:00 -0500 Subject: Cho Chang and Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C595 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Cho Chang and Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #587] Cho Chang and Ginny Date: 3/6/00 8:49 am (ET) What do we know about Cho Chang? She is Ravenclaw which makes her less suspect than a Slytherin. (I admit it. I consider all Slytherins to be guilty until proven innocent.) Harry finds her to be pretty. And she makes Harry's heart flutter. I don't remember Cho Chang being as passive a Quidditch seeker as you guys seem to remember her. I recall Harry thinking she was an excellent flier who periodically cut Harry off and forced him to change directions and such. I do remember her spending some time chasing Harry. But then Harry was flying a Firebolt and nobody was able to keep up with one of those. And her name implies that she is oriental. All in all, I have no complaints about Cho Chang as a possible match for Harry. However, I don't know anybody who ended up with someone they were infatuated with as a 13 year old. Harry has some maturing to do before he finds the long-term Miss Right. So Miss Chang, while perhaps not Miss Wrong, is probably just Miss First Puppy Love. (Remember that we have no hint of anything as pleasant as puppy love from Harry's time with the Dursley's.) Perhaps will get to see Harry suffer through the pains of a lost first love with Cho Chang. The folks I know who did end up with someone they knew when they were 13 years old knew the other person as a friend or an acquaintance for years before love bloomed for them. That makes a Ginny or Hermione match more likely. Given that Ron can hardly be matched with Ginny, Ginny is the logical match for Harry. But wait a second. Is there any hint of romance within a house? Percy and (I've forgotten her name) are from different houses. I can see where the school would go to great lengths to discourage such ... activity. Perhaps Harry has been too young to notice. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 13:54:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:54:00 -0500 Subject: Shakespearian Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C596 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Shakespearian Names Reply To: [Yahoo! #592] Shakespearian Names Date: 3/6/00 8:54 am (ET) This is an interesting thought, given Miss Rowling's love of word play. I can't see Montague from Romeo and Juliet having much significance since its a family name for one of the two rival families. I don't know Winter's Tale. Hermione is not a common name like Ron or Harry, so perhaps there is significance there. What was the character Hermione like in that one? Are there other examples? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 14:11:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:11:00 -0500 Subject: Shakespearian Names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C597 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Shakespearian Names Reply To: [Yahoo! #596] Re: Shakespearian Names Date: 3/6/00 9:11 am (ET) Hermione, the Queen, was accused by her husband of having an affair with his best friend. He then set out to have her killed. Of course, this is one of his comedies, so it doesn't happen, and there is a happy ending. As a side note, this play has Shakespeare's most famous stage direction: Exeunt, chased by a bear. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Mar 6 16:11:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:11:00 -0500 Subject: Cho Chang and Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C598 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Cho Chang and Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #595] Re: Cho Chang and Ginny Date: 3/6/00 11:11 am (ET) Good points Skimmel! I just noted on another HP listserve that I think it's a bit strange to be debating long-term pairings for teenagers. They probably *shouldn't* be making those types of choices at this juncture (or even by Book 7 IMO). Although, I wouldn't object if they had paired off as you suggested by the end of Book 7. I just don't think you should assume 17 yr-olds have found "happily ever after." But, the friendships could prove to be a solid foundation to build a relationship that will be long-term and those romantic relationships could certainly be in full-swing by the time the series ends. Maybe JKR will change her mind and do a post-Hogwarts Harry series. <g> I like your characterization of Cho Chang as perhaps a Ms First Puppy Love! That's exactly what I think. Penny From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 11:00:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 06:00:00 -0500 Subject: Cho Chang and Ginny Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C599 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Cho Chang and Ginny Reply To: [Yahoo! #587] Cho Chang and Ginny Date: 3/7/00 6:00 am (ET) I don't know Cho well enough to think much about her either way, but I did piece together a picture very similar to Skimmel's. Since she is Ravenclaw, I imagine her as witty and intelligent. We don't know what she looks like, except that she is a head shorter than Harry, and that he considers her "very pretty." Her name also makes me (like Skimmel) picture her as Asian (I'd been wondering if I was the only one). And, Ms First Puppy Love does actually sound better than Ms Wrong. We have discussed the possibility of Harry and Cho getting together in book 4, but there is another potential scenario I thought of. Maybe Harry will ask her out, and she won't be interested. She is, after all, a year ahead of him; she could consider him too young for her. The interaction we've seen so far could be taken more ways than one. For example, she smiled at him before the Ravenclaw/Gryffindor Quiddich game, but we don't know what kind of smile it was. Flirtatious (I'm sure Harry hoped so)? Friendly? A show of sportsmanship? Whether it's mutual or unrequited, she'd still be First Puppy Love. Only time will tell. Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 11:28:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 06:28:00 -0500 Subject: Romance and Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C600 From: melaniem68 Subject: Romance and Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #595] Re: Cho Chang and Ginny Date: 3/7/00 6:28 am (ET) I don't know if this answers your in-house romance question, Skimmel, but I seem to recall that Ron's parents were both from Gryffindor. But then, we don't know for sure that they dated while still in school. I suspect James and Lily did, but I don't recall any mention of their house(s). I suspect at least one of them was Gryffindor, however. But you're not the only one who's wondered about Hogwarts' policy on romance. The only couple we've seen from Harry's generation, is Percy and Penelope (she's a Ravenclaw, like Cho. What *is* it with Gryffindor guys and Ravenclaw girls, anyway <g>?) Anyway, back on track. Percy and Penelope spent a whole school year (except when Penelope was petrified) sneaking around corridors and meeting in empty classrooms. When Ginny caught them, Percy even made her promise not to tell. My question is, why all the secrecy? Is it just to avoid his brothers' teasing? It hasn't stopped him from putting on airs about being Prefect or Head Boy. Or is it because Hogwarts discourages romance, or even makes rules against it? I've also wondered about the professors. I have yet to see any of them introduce a wife or husband. Are they all single? If not, when do the married see their spouses, only in the summer? For that matter, why couldn't two of them be married to each other (aside from maybe having two Professor So-and-so's)? Just some food for thought. Melanie From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 20:06:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:06:00 -0500 Subject: Romance and Hogwarts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C601 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Romance and Hogwarts Reply To: [Yahoo! #600] Romance and Hogwarts Date: 3/7/00 3:06 pm (ET) I think the secrecy just comes from embarrassment (I hope I spelt that right, I never do!). Being on student council/ student government at school, is probably the same as being head boy and prefect. Sure your brothers can tease you about it, but it doesn't involve the same "mushy" feelings as having a girlfriend does. So naturally, Percy would be embarrassed, maybe its not just his brother but his friends and classmates too. Don't you remember being glanced at for a bit by various class mates after having found out that your going out with so and so? Because they know you they're naturally curious. And I believe that Percy is a year older than Penelope too (I think it mentions in chamber that she's in fifth year, and in chamber I think Percy is in 6th right?). That might have something to do with it too! Boys and Girls are always a little touchy and secretive about their love lives at first. haven't we all? especially the first time we annouce that we officially have a girlfriend or boyfriend. From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 20:10:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:10:00 -0500 Subject: McGonagall and Hagrid Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C602 From: norevoli Subject: McGonagall and Hagrid Reply To: [Yahoo! #600] Romance and Hogwarts Date: 3/7/00 3:10 pm (ET) I noticed you mentioned something about teachers, Melanie. I really have no opinions on why two professors aren't married (except maybe there are married couples only the wife just decides to keep their middle name... I have a few teachers in my school like that) But I wanted to get this question out into the air... What about Hagrid and Professor McGonagall? Do you remember in book 1 what happen at the Christmas Dinner? Was that little showing of affection just a result of wine or a hint of something more? or it could be just me =) From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Tue Mar 7 21:07:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C603 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #584] Re: Ages Date: 3/7/00 4:07 pm (ET) I checked all the references in book 3 and all were about the Quidditch Cup, not the house championship. I think quite frankly that coming up with a hard and fast timeline is not possible. And I think it is deliberate. I think JKR uses relative references to places and times rather than exact ones because she does not want the stories to be placed in a realistic setting. They are about magic and possibilities and potential after all. Having said that, I would like to go back to a point someone else brought up a while ago. That is the fact that Professor Trelawney's prediction in book 3 was her second. At first I just blew it off; but we all are beginning to see that everything is deliberate. So I tried to think of what the first prediction could have been. Which led me to Voldemort and his attack on Harry when Harry was a baby. Why would someone who was trying to gain power want to kill a baby? The only reason I could come up with was that he considered Harry a threat. But why would someone consider a baby a threat? Because it had been predicted. Does that make sense to anyone else? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 03:45:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:45:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C604 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #603] Re: Ages Date: 3/7/00 10:45 pm (ET) I think that's a good point that maybe Trelawney's alleged accurate first prediction might have had something to do with Harry being a threat to Voldemort. Although . . . it wouldn't be entirely fulfilled yet as Harry is still only 13 when we last left him. So, could Dumbledore be saying that she accurately predicted Harry as a threat to Voldemort at this point? Depends on how you look at it I guess. I guess he *had* already stripped Voldemort of virtually all power and life, which he (Harry) accomplished as an infant. He had also slipped through Voldemort's grasp twice since then (ages 11 and 12). I *do* think that Voldemort wanted to kill infant Harry because he *knew* (or had heard predictions that) Harry would one day grow up to threaten his power. Remember, Harry asked Dumbledore why Voldemort wanted to kill him in the first place (when Harry had learned that his mother was *only* killed because she tried to stop Voldemort from getting at Harry). Dumbledore declined to answer and answered only that Harry would know the answer one day when he was older. I think it's fairly clear that Harry has a destiny to fulfill -- a destiny that was foretold earlier (perhaps when he was born??). A destiny that Voldemort unsuccessfully tried to thwart. Also consider that 16 yr old Voldemort (a/k/a Tom Riddle) already knew that Harry would one day be a threat to him. So when was this prediction made I wonder?? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 08:53:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 03:53:00 -0500 Subject: Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C605 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Ages Reply To: [Yahoo! #603] Re: Ages Date: 3/8/00 3:53 am (ET) Makes perfect sense to me, and this wouldn't be the first time this happened in literature! Melanie From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 20:29:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:29:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C606 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #604] Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/8/00 3:29 pm (ET) I believe Tom Riddle only became concerned about Harry after Ginny Weasley told him that Harry had escaped from Voldemort. Remember his first purpose had been to destroy the Muggles but he changed his direction because of what he heard from Ginny. So I think the prediction - whether it was Trelawney's or not - was made after Riddle turned into Voldemort. Perhaps when the Potters were in school. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 8 23:23:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:23:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C607 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #606] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/8/00 6:23 pm (ET) you know the first time I read that prediction it sound so much like a hint to me and I think that you guys are right about it being a prediction about Harry Potter defeating Voldemort. but i have another question... was James Potter killed because he was trying to protect Harry too? we know for sure that that's why Lily died, that (she didn't have to die if she wasn't protecting Harry...) It could be that the prediction made, specified one of the male Potters, and that when Voldemort found out or discovered this prediction he set out to kill James, and then Harry... Why were all the Potters hidden, why not just Harry? Because if the prediction was all about Harry then James and Lily would have given him over to someone else to keep safe. But if both James and Harry are targets than the whole family would need to be protected, hence the secret keeper stuff. So maybe the prediction that we are "guess-timating" to be the reason Voldemort wanted to kill Harry for is not just about Harry in specific. Hermione did say that predicitions, and fortune telling was an imprecise branch of magic... maybe it was a very vague prediction or maybe the prediction was so overly hidden in verse or word play that Voldemort decided to kill both James and Harry just to make sure. ... what do you think...? From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 05:38:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:38:00 -0500 Subject: Hi, I'm a newbie :) Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C608 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Hi, I'm a newbie :) Date: 3/9/00 12:38 am (ET) Hey all... I just started reading the Harry Potter books two weeks ago (i'm about 20 pages away from finishing the third one) and I am totally in love. Of course, I've been hearing about the series for a while now, but didn't think much of it because it's supposed to be a kids' series. In the last few months, close friends in my age group were raving about it and telling me I absolutely *had* to read them, and I'm glad I finally gave in and listened. I haven't been this absorbed in any book in a long time. J.K Rowling is an incredibly talented writer, and I can't wait to read more of her books. :) XO, Michelle www.geocities.com/sparklegirl8 From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 17:36:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:36:00 -0500 Subject: Where we stand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C609 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Where we stand Date: 3/9/00 12:36 pm (ET) Last night I attended a science fair information meeting at my daughter's elementary school. The teacher doing the presentation had prepared a series of slides. She had one that read: No animals (or animagi) allowed. No cats, dogs, rats, mice or hippogriffs may be used in your project. One of the elementary school parents asked what a hippogriff was. The teacher asked who knew and I was the only one to hold up my hand. I'd say there are a few adults left to read the HP books. From mystril at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 19:22:00 2000 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:22:00 -0500 Subject: Where we stand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C610 From: Mystril Subject: Re: Where we stand Reply To: [Yahoo! #609] Where we stand Date: 3/9/00 2:22 pm (ET) *chuckles* I like that teacher. I wish my science teachers were like that. Question: How many of the children have read the Harry Potter books? I guess my parents didn't read everything I read, but you'd think once people started trying to censor the stuff, they might flip through it a couple of times. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 20:30:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:30:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C611 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #607] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 3:30 pm (ET) I had begun to think that James died protecting Harry. But there is no real evidence for that. So maybe you are right and the prediction was that a male Potter would destroy Voldemort and not specific to Harry. However I don't agree that if the prediction was only about Harry, that the Potters would have sent him away. If your child was in danger, wouldn't you want to protect him yourself? Who else would you trust to put their lives on the line for your child? Obviously Sirius would and Lupin too I think. Still I think James and Lily would have kept Harry with them no matter what. By the way, is anyone else absolutely in love with Lupin? Dumbledore used to be my favorite character after Harry. But he does have to be a bit subtle in his support since he has all those other responsibilities. Book 3 is my favorite, I think because Harry finally has people who sort of belong to him: Sirius and Lupin. Even though Sirius is closer (his guardian and all), I am just crazy about Lupin and am looking forward to him coming back into the story. From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 20:36:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:36:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C612 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #611] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 3:36 pm (ET) I never thought of that as Trelawnies first prediction. I asumed it was something earlyer in the year, like the one about hermone. I got the from the one time that Harry heard his father that James was trying to protect both Lilly and Harry. He was yelling at Lilly to take Harry and run. Did anyone notice in the first book what types of wands Harrys parents had? Just wondering. Meg From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 20:51:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C613 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #612] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 3:51 pm (ET) If I'm remembering correctly, there WERE two predictions. I cannot recall at the moment what they were, but as soon as my copy is returned to me, I'll check it out. And yes, I, too, absolutely adore Professor Lupin! From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 23:29:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:29:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C614 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #607] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 6:29 pm (ET) Hey I was just listening to book 3: the confrontation in the Shrieking Shack. Sirius said to Peter that he (Peter) would be happy to turn over to Voldemort the LAST Potter. Perhaps the prediction had to do with the Potter line, not specifically male Potters. Lily of course is only married into the Potter family, not a blood relation. From itm55 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 23:40:00 2000 From: itm55 at yahoo.com (itm55 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:40:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C615 From: itm55 Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #611] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 6:40 pm (ET) Just wanted to say that I too am crazy about Lupin. I just hated to see him leave. Thus far book 3 is my favorite, and I wouldn't be surprised if book 4 becomes my favorite once it's out. Her books just seem to get better and better. From itm55 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 9 23:50:00 2000 From: itm55 at yahoo.com (itm55 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 18:50:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C616 From: itm55 Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #612] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 6:50 pm (ET) James had a mahogany wand. 11" long. And Lily had one made of willow that was 10 1/4" long. From mystril at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 01:40:00 2000 From: mystril at yahoo.com (mystril at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:40:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C617 From: Mystril Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #615] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 8:40 pm (ET) I LOVE Professor Lupin, but now I see Wolf from The 10th Kingdom when I think of him. That's not a bad thing, just a bit different. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 01:42:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:42:00 -0500 Subject: Lupin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C618 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Lupin Reply To: [Yahoo! #611] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/9/00 8:42 pm (ET) LUPIN: Yes, he's one of my favorites also! I was sad to see him go, and I sincerely hope we will see more of him (he does tell Harry that he's sure they'll meet again). He'll be a hard act to follow as Defense Against the Dark Arts instructor. I'm re-reading POA right now. It's my favorite so far also, largely because of Lupin and Black and their concern for Harry (and those twisting plot curves that keep you in suspense for the last 150 pages or so!). JAMES POTTER: I wonder if the line "I'll hold Him off" is indicative that the Potters knew Voldemort was after Harry specifically. It could simply mean that James hoped to buy Lily time to take Harry and run, thereby saving them both. But that line could arguably mean that James knew Voldemort wasn't *after* him or Lily but was targeting Harry. I guess we definitely don't know at this point. Dumbledore apparently tipped off the Potters that Voldemort was after *them* though (this was mentioned in the conversation Harry, Ron & Hermione overheard in Hogsmeade). That seems to indicate the opposite: that Voldemort was after them. Since we know it wasn't Lily he cared about, maybe it was both James & Harry. But, curiously, we learned in that same conversation that he was *after* the Potters for "about a year" before the attack on them. Harry was 15 months at the time of the attack. Could it be that Harry's birth was what triggered Voldemort's interest in the Potters? I agree that James & Lily would *not* send Harry away. I can't imagine that they, as his parents, would have entrusted his safety to others. I was so sad to think about what might have happened if Hagrid *had* given Harry to Sirius Black instead of taking him to Dumbledore on Privet Drive. Sirius might have concentrated on raising Harry and not ever sought revenge against Pettigrew. What a different childhood Harry would have had! From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 05:35:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:35:00 -0500 Subject: Where we stand Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C619 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Where we stand Reply To: [Yahoo! #610] Re: Where we stand Date: 3/10/00 12:35 am (ET) <I guess my parents didn't read everything I read, but you'd think once people started trying to censor the stuff, they might flip through it a couple of times.> Hell, that was one of the reasons I decided to read the Harry Potter series. Not that I wouldn't want my son to read them (he's not old enough to read yet anyway) but if anything is being considered for censorship in this country, it must be damned interesting. :) XO, Michelle From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 14:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:56:00 -0500 Subject: Lupin; James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C620 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Lupin; James Potter Date: 3/10/00 9:56 am (ET) Hi all I posted this message yesterday and it was there, but now it isn't. Anyone else had that problem before??? I'll try to recreate what I said yesterday. LUPIN: Yes, I adore him too! I was really sorry to see him go, and I hope we'll see more of him in later books (he did tell Harry that he was sure they'd meet again and Rowling doesn't add stuff like that as filler). He will be a hard act to follow as Defense Against the Dark Arts instructor. POA is my favorite so far -- largely because of Lupin and Black (but also because of those dizzying plot twists that keep you in suspense for the last 150 pages or so!). JAMES POTTER: Well, we definitely don't know for sure whether Voldemort was after him too or if he killed him to get at Harry as he did with Lily. But, I've wondered if the fact that he shouted "Run for it with Harry. I'll hold him off" -- is that an implication that the real target was Harry and James thought he could buy Lily time to spirit Harry away?? We know that Dumbledore had tipped off the Potters that Voldemort was after "them" (so arguably he *was* after both male Potters since we know he didn't care about Lily). Or maybe it was mainly James he was after, but decided Harry might be enough like his father to be a threat. One could argue that also. We also know from the teachers' conversation that Harry, Ron & Hermione overheard in Hogsmeade that Voldemort had been after them "about a year" before the attack, right? That coincides nicely with Harry's birth (he was exactly 15 months old when his parents were killed). Perhaps he really was the sole target. Hopefully this will get posted (and my original post won't miraculously appear, thereby creating repetition). Seems like I said more last night though. <g> From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 18:24:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:24:00 -0500 Subject: Lupin; James Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C621 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Lupin; James Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #620] Lupin; James Potter Date: 3/10/00 1:24 pm (ET) I guess we'll just have to wait until Harry finds out Voldemort's motives for trying to kill him, or his whole family. Do you think that this motive will only be revealed at the very end, in book 7? I couldn't stand another 3 years of suspense, especially since I'm curious now!!! But your right plinsenmayer, that the time around which Voldemort started to look for the potters was about the same time Harry was born... Now, I do believe that in that scholastic interview that JK had recently, she said that we would be seeing Black again, hearing from him atleast in book 4. And you know that she does mention that Lupin is one of her favourite characters, if not her most favorite teacher, so we're probably likely to see Lupin again!! From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 19:19:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:19:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C622 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #616] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/10/00 2:19 pm (ET) I don't remember for certin but I think James' wand was good for tranformations, and her was a Animagi. And Lily's was good for Charms, and she suposedly put a rather impresive one on Harry. Where any other peoples wands mentioned? Meg From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 21:27:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:27:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C623 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #622] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/10/00 4:27 pm (ET) <<And Lily's was good for Charms, and she suposedly put a rather impresive one on Harry>> I was just wondering, what charm are you talking about... the love one?? Norevoli From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 10 21:55:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:55:00 -0500 Subject: Hi all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C624 From: arawa_99 Subject: Hi all! Date: 3/10/00 4:55 pm (ET) Hi everyone - I found the Harry Potter books about two weeks ago and couldn't put them down - I thought I was the only "grown up" who loves these books - just enough like the Enid Blyton school stories of my childhood - I grew up in the UK - and just fantastical enough to be nothing like them at all! Just got to catch up on all those posts now... sorry if this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know when the fourth book is coming out? or is it already out and I'm just missing out? From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 11 02:02:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:02:00 -0500 Subject: Hi all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C625 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Hi all! Reply To: [Yahoo! #624] Hi all! Date: 3/10/00 9:02 pm (ET) Welcome to the club arawa_99. Most of us were in that situation at one time. The next book is suppose to be out this summer. There are a couple of web sites that have what claims to be the first four chapters of the next book. They aren't up to the standards of the first three books so I'm convinced they're either fakes or someone's laid their hands on an early draft... a seriously scary idea. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Sat Mar 11 02:42:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:42:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C626 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #622] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/10/00 9:42 pm (ET) In book 1, Voldemort's was described as yew, 13 1/2 inches, phoenix tail feather, very powerful. Hagrid's was oak, 16 inches, very bendy. In book 3, Ron's new wand was described as willow, 14 inches, unicorn tail hair From mrslibrarian at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 10:52:00 2000 From: mrslibrarian at yahoo.com (mrslibrarian at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 05:52:00 -0500 Subject: Other Books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C627 From: mrslibrarian Subject: Re: Other Books Reply To: [Yahoo! #529] Other Books Date: 3/12/00 5:52 am (ET) My brother-in-law recommended Archer's Goon by Diana Wynn Jones, who as an author he rates much more highly than JKR. However, having read Archer's Goon, it is a fun read and the 11 year old I tried it out on enjoyed it once he got into it. From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 12 17:31:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:31:00 -0500 Subject: Hi all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C628 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Hi all! Reply To: [Yahoo! #625] Re: Hi all! Date: 3/12/00 12:31 pm (ET) I work at Barnes and Noble, and the publishing date we have for the next book is July 8th. According to the BN computer system, the title of the book is "Harry Potter And The Doomspell Tournament", but I read somewhere online that J.K. Rowling has changed the title several times because she intends it to be a surprise. XO, Michelle From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 21:12:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C629 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #626] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/13/00 4:12 pm (ET) No, what they where best at doing. Meg From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Mon Mar 13 21:15:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:15:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C630 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #623] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/13/00 4:15 pm (ET) The one that Harry learns about in the 1st book. Meg From ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 00:48:00 2000 From: ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com (ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:48:00 -0500 Subject: Hey! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C631 From: ashley_mcbrein Subject: Hey! Date: 3/13/00 7:48 pm (ET) I don't know if you guys allow this but... My friend just started a new club, Hogwarts 3000, and I would really like to see it get more members bcuz she said that once they got 20 members that she would tell everybody the website for the club and all. So, please join, I'm dieing of antipation... As I said before, I don't know if this is allow, so I don't care if this post is deleted. Ashley McBrein From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 13:50:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:50:00 -0500 Subject: Hi, all. I just started listening Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C632 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Hi, all. I just started listening Date: 3/14/00 8:50 am (ET) to the unabridged CD version of the Sorcerer's Stone (which is absolutely charming and delightful, BTW), and I've noticed something rather interesting. Voldemort is pronounced "Vole-de-more" with a silent "t" at the end, making it something of a rhyme to Dumbledore. So I'm wondering (and please tell me if I'm reading way too much into this) if there is a somewhat stronger connection between those two characters than we all realize at this point in time. What do others think about this? From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 14:09:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:09:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C633 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 9:09 am (ET) Let me bounce a new theory off you guys. We know that Hogwarts was founded by four witches and wizards but that deep disputes and rivalries broke out between the four. We know that Voldemort was the last descendent of Salazar Slytherin. We don't know what happened to the descendents of any of the other three. We do know however that Harry could use Godric Gryffindor's sword since he used it to kill the Basillisk in Chamber of Secrets. I've forgotten exactly what Dumbledore said to Harry when he revealed the origin of the sword but it was something about being a true Gryffindor. Could it be that the dispute went beyond just arguments and turned murderous? Could it be that the descendents of Slytherin sought to exterminate the other lines? Could it be that the last descendent of Salazar Slytherin sought to kill the last descendents of Godric Gryffindor; Harry and his father? Lilly would be incidental since she wasn't a descendent of Gryffindor. Just a thought. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 16:17:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:17:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C634 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #633] Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 11:17 am (ET) Love the theory, the only problem with it - and it may have a really obvoius answer to it, but why did the sorting hat want to put Harry in Slytherin? From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 20:37:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:37:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C635 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #634] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 3:37 pm (ET) Because he got zaped when Voldemort tried to kill him. Meg From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 20:41:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:41:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C636 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #635] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 3:41 pm (ET) Sorry, but that's a circular reference. Voldemort wanted to kill Harry, because he got zapped when Voldemort tried to kill him? Voldemort tried to kill Harry for an as yet undisclosed reason. And Ms. Rowling has promised to explain everything in future books. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 20:47:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:47:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C637 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #636] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 3:47 pm (ET) Boy, my response sounded rather abrupt. Sorry about that. It was the teacher in me that responded. From avon at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 21:31:00 2000 From: avon at yahoo.com (avon at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:31:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C638 From: avon Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #636] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 4:31 pm (ET) I think she was talking about the charm Harry's Mother put on him zapped Voldemort. Or something. I may be confused. Be seeing you! From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 22:01:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:01:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C639 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #636] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 5:01 pm (ET) The sorting hat considered putting Harry into Slytherin, as Dumbledore explained at the end of Chamber of Secrets, because when Voldemort zapped Harry he ended up giving Harry a significant amount of his power. The hat detected both the Gryffindor and the Slytherin influences in Harry and that's why it took so long trying to decide which house to put Harry in. I still like the theory. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 14 23:47:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:47:00 -0500 Subject: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C640 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #636] Re: Why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry Date: 3/14/00 6:47 pm (ET) I think Meg was citing the zapping as the reason the Sorting Hat thought he'd be good for Slytherin, not the reason Voldemort him dead. When Voldemort tried to kill him, he transferred over some of his powers, such as Parceltongue. The Sorting Hat saw some of these powers and characteristics and thought he'd do well in Slytherin. Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 02:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:53:00 -0500 Subject: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C641 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Date: 3/14/00 9:53 pm (ET) I like Skimmel's theory actually. It adds credence to the thought that Voldemort was after both male Potters. But, we still don't know if Voldemort was actually wanting to kill James Potter or not or whether killing James was merely incidental to getting at Harry. I wish Rowling would have given us some background info on the Potter side of the family in one of the earlier books! It's sure hard to really support this theory without some good genealogical evidence from the books. But, the fact that Harry pulled Godric Gryffindor's sword from the Sorting Hat is, in my mind, reasonably good evidence that Harry *could* be a descendant of Gryffindor. Yes, I agree that the Sorting Hat spotted the potentiality for both Gryffindor and Slytherin in Harry (which is of course attributable to Dumbledore's supposition that Voldemort transferred some of his own powers to Harry when he tried to kill him). I've always really liked that part of Chamber where Dumbledore prods Harry into recognizing that he has the potential for both good and evil but made a reasoned choice in favor of Gryffindor (which the Sorting Hat honored if you will). It really adds depth to Harry's character that he chooses "good" over "evil." In thinking about that, I wonder if Dumbledore exposed Harry to the horrible Dursleys as a means of "bringing out" his desire to choose the good side. I'm not sure I'm phrasing that effectively to convey what I mean. So, I'll stop now. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 02:58:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:58:00 -0500 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C642 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Crookshanks Date: 3/14/00 9:58 pm (ET) Another discussion point . . . (which I did raise on harrypotteranonymous) Does anyone else wonder if Crookshanks is just a cat? I can't help but wonder if Crookshanks is an animagus. I'm thinking specifically of the scene in POA where Crookshanks jumps on Sirius Black's chest right at the moment that Harry is seriously contemplating killing Black. No offense to the cat lovers on the list, but cats aren't generally known for loyalty (in fact they have a reputation for fickleness right?). It just struck me as odd behavior for an ordinary cat. Crookshanks also seemed very perceptive throughout POA. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 03:36:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:36:00 -0500 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C643 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #642] Crookshanks Date: 3/14/00 10:36 pm (ET) Crookshanks behaviour was explained in POA but like you I still can't shake the feeling that Crookshanks plays a bigger part in all this. I mean why is it that Hedwig never had this 6th sense like Crookshanks? I mean Hedwig has been around Scabbers for two years more than Crookshanks. And if you think about it, Hedwig has never even tried to eat Scabbers or attack scabbers, yet Crookshanks always seems to try ever so hard. So yes, maybe Crookshanks is an animagus. But there's one thing that bugs me in this... I'm just wondering, do other Animagi recognize eachother? I mean, wouldn't Black be well aware of who Crookshanks really is if Crookshanks is an animagus? Just like how Crookshanks recognized both Scabbers and Black as animagi? Unless Black didn't have time, or chose not to reveal who Crookshanks is. another question for all of you guys who have your POA copies (cuz i don't at the moment) Did Crookshanks start attacking Scabbers before it met Black??? From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 03:58:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:58:00 -0500 Subject: Trelawney Predictions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C644 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Re: Trelawney Predictions Reply To: [Yahoo! #630] Re: Trelawney Predictions Date: 3/14/00 10:58 pm (ET) Hey, im currently reading 3 an i had the idea that the first prodiction could have been when she said the one of them would leave forever, or about the tea cup... just a thought... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 04:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:10:00 -0500 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C645 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #643] Re: Crookshanks Date: 3/14/00 11:10 pm (ET) Yes, Norevoli, I also wondered whether Lupin and/or Black would recognize Crookshanks as an animagus if he in fact is one. But, I like your thought that perhaps Black just didn't reveal the identity of Crookshanks. Yes, I think Crookshanks tried to attack Scabbers before he met Black. Remember when Hermione bought Crookshanks in the animal store in Diagon Alley? Crookshanks leapt onto Ron and Scabbers went scampering out into Diagon Alley and Ron had to chase after him. I think Crookshanks knew about Scabbers from the second he saw him (or sensed him). I think there is definitely more to Crookshanks than meets the eye. :--) Penny From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 04:17:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:17:00 -0500 Subject: the other night i had a dream... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C646 From: sunchick_004 Subject: the other night i had a dream... Date: 3/14/00 11:17 pm (ET) the other night i had a dream...it got me thinking of the books diffrently... In this dream...rowling took the part of prof. mcgonagall, and the hole purpose of the books were to get the point out that wizardry is out there...and its good... i know this doesnt have anything to do with the plot...but iv been dying to tell someone...and my mom never has time... another thing is that if you are a muggle born wizard, you read the books before your 14th b-day, and if you trully belives, you got your hogwarts letter... i woke up from this dream, and it gave me an inner warmth... after that, i started having things hapen to me..like i saw the reflection of the cat on the tv, and she wasnt there... shes also, lately, scared of me... does anyone else think, that this could be a part of the books or something? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 13:19:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:19:00 -0500 Subject: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C647 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #641] Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Date: 3/15/00 8:19 am (ET) Well, now, THAT makes sense! (I have been having rather severe brain farts lately...) And if anyone hasn't listened to the audio tape or CD versions of the books yet, run right out and get them. I am enjoying them so much! People on the subway think I'm rather strange. As I listen, I'm often moved to laughter. But I really don't care what other people think. I'm enjoying myself way too much. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 13:54:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:54:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C648 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/15/00 8:54 am (ET) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000315/en/film-potter_1.html This story - fresh off the wire - says that there are four directors under serious consideration. Brad Siberling - City of Angels Chris Columbus - Bicentennial Man Allan Parker - Evita and Angela's Ashes Terry Gilliam - 12 Monkeys and Brazil Gilliam, who was a member of Monty Python's Flying Circus, has the most striking sense of visuals of the group and would certainly make a very diferent movie than the others would. I think he's my prefered choice at the moment. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 14:32:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:00 -0500 Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C649 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Crookshanks Reply To: [Yahoo! #645] Re: Crookshanks Date: 3/15/00 9:32 am (ET) Oh my gosh - mind reading or what? I woke up this morning thinking about that very thing, about Crookshanks being an animagus or just a cat? (never mind that I should have been thinking about things like car payments....). I think there is more to Crookshanks - at the end of POA they give Ron's new owl to Crookshanks to "approve" - a comical gesture at that point, but also acknowledging some kind of "intelligence" on the cat's part. Hopefully we shall see more evidence in the next book. Another thought - and forgive me if this has been discussed already - has anybody thought that Snape may not be the nasty, but well meaning character we thought he was since the first book - it seems to me, especially in POA that he becomes downright nasty at times, and although I know he's doing what he thinks is right, in capturing Black, etc., his past seems to extremely bitter - I can't decide if this is another device by JK Rowling to make us beleive once again that Snape is bad, only to have him help out again in later books, or a suggestion that he may become one of Harrys enemies at one point. Any thoughts? From itm55 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 15 23:50:00 2000 From: itm55 at yahoo.com (itm55 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:50:00 -0500 Subject: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C650 From: itm55 Subject: Re: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Reply To: [Yahoo! #647] Re: Descendants of Gryffindor Theory Date: 3/15/00 6:50 pm (ET) I too have the audio's to all the books, and since my eyes tire easily when reading, I find them most enjoyable. In fact, my son has gotten hooked on the audio versions as well. From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 14:34:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:34:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C651 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #648] Potter Movie Director Date: 3/16/00 9:34 am (ET) I also am steering towards Terry Gilliam. He's a wonderful director, and he has a real talent when it comes to fantasy filmmaking. I think he would do a fabulous job of bringing the Harry Potter universe to life on the screen. XO, Michelle From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 16:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:21:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C652 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #651] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/16/00 11:21 am (ET) Can anyone tell me if any of these directors under consideration are British? If it's going to be an all-British cast (fingers crossed!) and presumably filmed somewhere in Britain, wouldn't a British director make some sense? Didn't Alan Parker do "Angela's Ashes" and is he British? Penny From sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 17:43:00 2000 From: sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com (sparklegirl8 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:43:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C653 From: sparklegirl8 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #652] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/16/00 12:43 pm (ET) I think that Terry Gilliam was the only Monty Python cast member that wasn't British. Regardless, I don't think it matters where the director is from, as long as he/she can translate the books to film well. I think Terry Gilliam can, and will, if he takes the project on. XO, Michelle From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 21:42:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:42:00 -0500 Subject: Terry Gilliam Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C654 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Terry Gilliam Reply To: [Yahoo! #653] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/16/00 4:42 pm (ET) I also think that we can consider Gilliam "British-by-assimilation"! : ) From ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com Thu Mar 16 23:49:00 2000 From: ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com (ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:49:00 -0500 Subject: Ok, not too sure over here... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C655 From: ashley_mcbrein Subject: Ok, not too sure over here... Date: 3/16/00 6:49 pm (ET) I don't know if you guys are doing a RPG or not, I can't figure it out, and my other ID, comc_center, wasn't working properly, so I'm going to post under this one. COMC teacher, READ!: I have a center for all teachers of Care Of Magical Creatures. Email me comc_center at yahoo.com for more information bcuz I don't want to be accused of advertising. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 07:19:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:19:00 -0500 Subject: Misc. comments on Shakespear and Lupin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C656 From: smitster1 Subject: Misc. comments on Shakespear and Lupin Date: 3/17/00 2:19 am (ET) Many good and interesting posts. Here are some things I wanted to share after reading some earlier posts. Pixzee in her 'Shakespearian Name' post had asked about any significance in Hermione's name. Rowling did, in fact, say in a speech given at the National Press Club that she got the name from 'A Winter's Tale' but said that her Hermione "bares little relation" to Shakespear's. (Audio at http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/exrad/991020.jkrowling.ram) More on Lupin: according to Rowling during her interview on 'The Connection,' Lupin is one of her most favorite characters and he will reappear in Book #5. Which is great since I also enjoyed him. (Audio link on http://wbur.org/connection/archive/1999/12/1228a.shtml) The Scholastic interview revealed something funny in how new wizards are found. A magic quill records the names in a book. Interesting. My appologies for the multi-topic post. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 18:40:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:40:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C657 From: pt4ever Subject: Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 1:40 pm (ET) I was discussing Harry Potter with my aunt (who is a fourth grade teacher and the one who turned me on to HP in the first place) and she told me that she'd read an article in a magazine that listed all of the pronunciation for the character names. I didn't ask her about Voldemort, but she said that "Hermoine" was pronounced "Her-my-oh-knee." I never knew that before...I thought it was pronounced phonetically -- Her-moyne. Pretty cool, huh? :) BTW, I like the Godric Gryffindor theory. It makes sense to me! --JoAnna From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 18:50:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:50:00 -0500 Subject: I was surfing today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C658 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: I was surfing today Date: 3/17/00 1:50 pm (ET) (and while I was at work, no less!) and found something quite upsetting. Hopefully, there is no merit to it: http://www.cesnur.org/recens/potter_018.html What does everyone think about this? From norevoli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 21:12:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C659 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #657] Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 4:12 pm (ET) What about you guys with the audio versions... how is Hermione pronounced there? From avon at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 21:12:00 2000 From: avon at yahoo.com (avon at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: I was surfing today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C660 From: avon Subject: Re: I was surfing today Reply To: [Yahoo! #658] I was surfing today Date: 3/17/00 4:12 pm (ET) I got a "404" error when I followed that link. From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 21:18:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:18:00 -0500 Subject: I was surfing today Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C661 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: I was surfing today Reply To: [Yahoo! #660] Re: I was surfing today Date: 3/17/00 4:18 pm (ET) Avon- Try going here instead. It's the article dated March 16, 2000. http://www.cesnur.org/recens/potter_00.htm ~Mairi~ From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 21:21:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:21:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C662 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #659] Re: Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 4:21 pm (ET) It's HER-MY-OH-NEE ~Mairi~ From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 23:27:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:27:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C663 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #657] Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 6:27 pm (ET) When I first read the books, I was pronouncing it "Her Me Own" in my own mind. Then I heard that it was actually supposed to be "Her My O Knee" (which I think is very hard to say, especially very fast). Then, I heard the audio tapes and Jim Dale pronounces it as "Her Ma Knee" (*definitely* easier to say). Re: pronounciation of Voldemort. I believe it is true that the "t" on the end should be silent (the audio tapes pronounce it this way). Am I remembering my high school French correctly that it would be pronounced with a silent "t" and means "death"? BTW, I absolutely *love* the audio versions! I know someone else commented on that the other day, but I wanted to echo that sentiment. They are just wonderful, particularly if you have to spend any time at all in traffic (or on the subway or train). I don't think Jim Dale does as good a job with Hermione (her words sound too drawn out and consequently somewhat whiney), but he does a fantastic job with all the male characters and most of the female characters. His Hagrid voice is top-notch! From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 00:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:18:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C664 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #663] Re: Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 7:18 pm (ET) Yes, it is "Her-my-oh-nee" but the "oh" sound is more of a schwa (did I spell that right?) So it's more of a "Her-my-uh-nee" with the accent on the "my". There was an actress named Hermione Gingold who I remember from the original cast of "A Little Night Music" - she was fabulous. Anyway, that's how I know how the name is pronounced. And if you listen very closely to Jim Dale on the tapes and CDs, that is how he is also pronouncing it. (My goodness, I was rather wordy!) From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 04:47:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:47:00 -0500 Subject: Pronounciations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C665 From: melaniem68 Subject: Pronounciations Reply To: [Yahoo! #664] Re: Hermoine Date: 3/17/00 11:47 pm (ET) Like Penny, I started pronouncing it "HER-mee-own," until someone corrected me. I now pronounce it "her-MY-oh-knee" I suspect Hermione has more than one correct pronounciation, like Bette (BETTY Davis or BET Midler). Or Andrea (AN-dree-uh, AHN-dree-uh, ahn-DRAY-ah). What I want to know, from the tapes, is how are Gryffindor and Slytherin pronounced? Is the "Y" pronounced like a long or short "I"? I've always pronounced both with the short "I", but I'm curious how the audios do. Melanie From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 13:04:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:04:00 -0500 Subject: Pronounciations Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C666 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Pronounciations Reply To: [Yahoo! #665] Pronounciations Date: 3/18/00 8:04 am (ET) <What I want to know, from the tapes, is how are Gryffindor and Slytherin pronounced? Is the "Y" pronounced like a long or short "I"? I've always pronounced both with the short "I", but I'm curious how the audios do.> Melanie wrote. It's pronounced with the short "i". And it's such fun listening to Jim Dale say them. He rolls his "r"s on Gryffindor with such flourish that you know they are the good guys. And Slytherin he says with complete contempt so it's obvious they are the "bad" guys. I also find that just by listening to the stories that I'm catching so much more than I did than by reading them. For example, Hagrid mentions that he bought Fluffy from some Greek man at the pub. (Remember Cerberus from Greek mythology?) And the most obvious occurred just listening to the description of Harry's dream of Quirrell's turban, that I was slapping my forehead and saying "Of course! I can't believe we all missed that!" On another note, my husband was passing by the building construction site of the new Scholastic headquarters on Broadway in Manhattan the other day. And on the wooden fencing around the site was a painting of Harry Potter with the message, "Future Home of Scholastic, publishers of Harry Potter." From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat Mar 18 17:45:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:45:00 -0500 Subject: Hermoine Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C667 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Hermoine Reply To: [Yahoo! #664] Re: Hermoine Date: 3/18/00 12:45 pm (ET) So it's more of a "Her-my-uh-nee" with the accent on the "my". [. . .] And if you listen very closely to Jim Dale on the tapes and CDs, that is how he is also pronouncing it. Maybe it's my Southern ear, but I'm still hearing "Her-Ma-Nee" on the audio versions (short a on the "ma"). <g> From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Mar 20 02:00:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:00:00 -0500 Subject: Pronouncing Hermione Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C668 From: norevoli Subject: Pronouncing Hermione Date: 3/19/00 9:00 pm (ET) Thanx all for your help on pronouncing Hermione. I'm going to go now and try to correct myself when I read to my sister! Norevoli From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 03:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:10:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C669 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Quidditch Date: 3/21/00 10:10 pm (ET) Does anyone have any thoughts as to how the House Quidditch teams are chosen exactly? Is it solely up to the professor in charge of that house to create the teams or do we suppose there *are* tryouts each year. I know Harry was worried in Book 2 or 3 that he might lose his place because he hadn't practiced in 2 months. Does that imply that they do "try out" for the team each year? Or, does it just mean that McGonagall might have chosen another Seeker if Harry turned up and performed terribly at the first few practices, I wonder? I ask only in that I wonder (a) whether Ron, who is passionate about the sport, will ever get a chance to play, and (b) whether those "flying lessons" are still going on. We never hear if Hermione & Neville have learned to fly all that well. Now that I think of it, she must know how as they had to chase those flying keys at the end of Sorcerer's Stone. Okay, random thoughts for tonight. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 13:23:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:23:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C670 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #669] Quidditch Date: 3/22/00 8:23 am (ET) Penny asked <Does anyone have any thoughts as to how the House Quidditch teams are chosen exactly? Is it solely up to the professor in charge of that house to create the teams or do we suppose there *are* tryouts each year.> In Sorcerer's Stone, it is definitely stated that there will be House Quidditch trials - just like trying out for any sport. And there is a rule that first years are not allowed on the team. But when McGonagal catches Harry flying and brings him to Wood, she says that she'll talk to Dumbledore about dispensing with the First-year rule. Even Prof. Flitwick, when he runs into Harry, Ron and Draco Malfoy on the stairs after he's received his Nimbus 2000, refers to Harry being on the team as "special circumstances." (I think I need to get some more hobbies; it's almost frightening how easily this information comes to mind.) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 13:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:40:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C671 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #670] Re: Quidditch Date: 3/22/00 8:40 am (ET) Voicelady wrote: <In Sorcerer's Stone, it is definitely stated that there will be House Quidditch trials - just like trying out for any sport.> Okay, I guess I just didn't remember that, and I definitely don't think it's mentioned in the later books. I would have thought that Ron would be good enough to at least be an alterate/backup position by Book 3. <g> I'll continue to hope that he'll play in Book 4. They will need a new Keeper for sure and I don't know if we know how old the 3 Gryffindor chasers are. <(I think I need to get some more hobbies; it's almost frightening how easily this information comes to mind.)> LOL! I know!!! On another HP listserve, several of us have been debating and analyzing the probable geographic locations of Hogwarts and the Burrow, based on the internal clues. My husband thinks *that* is over the top! Penny From janey_13 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 18:20:00 2000 From: janey_13 at yahoo.com (janey_13 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:20:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C672 From: janey_13 Subject: names from other places Date: 3/22/00 1:20 pm (ET) I was at the Titanic exhibit this weekend in Chicago and there was a board with pictures of people that had been on the Titanic. One of them was Lily Potter. I don't kow if there is any sort of connection (I probably am grabbing at straws), but the name just sort of jumped out at me! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 20:24:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:24:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C673 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: names from other places Reply To: [Yahoo! #672] names from other places Date: 3/22/00 3:24 pm (ET) >>>>> I was at the Titanic exhibit this weekend in Chicago and there was a board with pictures of people that had been on the Titanic. One of them was Lily Potter. >>>>> Maybe that's how Voldemort killed her -- he sent her back in time and she wound up on the Titanic. :P -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 20:31:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:31:00 -0500 Subject: Neville Longbottom and Peter Pettigrew Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C674 From: pt4ever Subject: Neville Longbottom and Peter Pettigrew Date: 3/22/00 3:31 pm (ET) I was looking at a Harry Potter website the other day, and someone had offered the theory that Peter Pettigrew was Neville Longbottom's father. When you look at it, there are some uncanny similarities -- both look similar (in Harry's dream about Black "killing" his parents, he pictures Pettigrew as looking like Neville), both like to hang around with "stronger" and more popular friends -- Pettigrew with Potter, Lupin and Black; Neville with Hermione, Ron, and Harry. In addition, Neville lives with his grandmother --no mention of what happened to his parents -- and Pettigrew's mother is mentioned several times in POA as getting only Pettigrew's finger and the Order of Merlin in a box after the attack on the Potters. Perhaps Neville's grandmother is Pettigrew's mother? I don't know why Neville would be Neville Longbottom rather than Neville Pettigrew, but who knows? Perhaps after Pettigrew's "death," Neville's mother remarried and Neville took his stepfather's name, or perhaps it was his grandmother who remarried and Neville adopted her name. ??? The Pettigrew/Neville possibility is, if nothing else, an interesting theory. It also brings up the possibility that if Pettigrew could become a traitor, perhaps Neville is capable of the same. Wow. This post is longer than I realized it would be. I'll be quiet now. :) -- JoAnna From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 20:35:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C675 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: names from other places Reply To: [Yahoo! #673] Re: names from other places Date: 3/22/00 3:35 pm (ET) Okay, I'll bite. The only objection I have to that theory is that, as a witch, she could've save herself (and at least some other passengers) with an anti-cold, anti-drowning charm. Or maybe her name was down because her body was never found, when she really appartated out of there and went on to become her own great grandmother. <g> Melanie From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 21:15:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:15:00 -0500 Subject: I like your theory. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C676 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: I like your theory. Reply To: [Yahoo! #674] Neville Longbottom and Peter Pettigrew Date: 3/22/00 4:15 pm (ET) And now that we seem to have an inkling of JK Rowling's thought processes, it seems to me to be an exceptional possibility. And even if it doesn't work out that way, I still think it's an excellent idea. Maybe YOU should try your hand at writing. Do you? From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 22 22:32:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:32:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C677 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Re: names from other places Reply To: [Yahoo! #675] Re: names from other places Date: 3/22/00 5:32 pm (ET) Lily Potter coulnt have died on the titanic, because Voldemort came to the Potters house, and I remember very clearly that when the dementors came near Harry, he heard his mothers screaming and pleading for Harrys life, and one time he even heard his father say something like "Go, I'll hold him off!" and besides, the characters don't take after really live ppl, JKR even said so in the Scolastics Interview. Sorry, once I startd typing, I just went. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 03:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:12:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C678 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: names from other places Reply To: [Yahoo! #677] Re: names from other places Date: 3/22/00 10:12 pm (ET) Sunchick: The theory wasn't that the *character* Lily Potter died on the Titanic. We all know Voldemort murdered James & Lily Potter. The theory was that Rowling got the name from the list of passengers who were on board the Titanic. You know -- she collects names of people, things, places and they get sprinkled throughout the HP books. From janey_13 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 15:34:00 2000 From: janey_13 at yahoo.com (janey_13 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:34:00 -0500 Subject: names from other places Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C679 From: janey_13 Subject: Re: names from other places Reply To: [Yahoo! #678] Re: names from other places Date: 3/23/00 10:34 am (ET) thank you! that's what i was suggesting, however, the theory that Lily died on the Titanic and then was her own grandmother was quite amusing! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 19:04:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C680 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #671] Re: Quidditch Date: 3/23/00 2:04 pm (ET) Penny wrote: <They will need a new Keeper for sure and I don't know if we know how old the 3 Gryffindor chasers are.> I don't have a passage to site, but I believe it was mentioned in the first book that they were fourth years, a year behind Oliver Wood, and a year ahead of the Weasley twins. Guess I need some new hobbies too. On one hand, I'm eagerly looking forward to Doomspell Tournament, so I can find out "what happens next". On the other hand, I know I'll finish it within a few days, and be back where I am now. In fact, I'll probably stay up all night reading it, and live to regret it at work the next day! Melanie From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 19:15:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:15:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C681 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #680] Re: Quidditch Date: 3/23/00 2:15 pm (ET) Guess I need some new hobbies too. On one hand, <I'm eagerly looking forward to Doomspell Tournament, so I can find out "what happens next". On the other hand, I know I'll finish it within a few days, and be back where I am now. In fact, I'll probably stay up all night reading it, and live to regret it at work the next day!> Ha! I know - me too! From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 20:08:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:08:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C682 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #648] Potter Movie Director Date: 3/23/00 3:08 pm (ET) Does anyone have anymore info on the new movie? Meg From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 21:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:12:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C683 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #681] Re: Quidditch Date: 3/23/00 4:12 pm (ET) <Guess I need some new hobbies too. On one hand, <I'm eagerly looking forward to Doomspell Tournament, so I can find out "what happens next". On the other hand, I know I'll finish it within a few days, and be back where I am now. In fact, I'll probably stay up all night reading it, and live to regret it at work the next day!> <Ha! I know - me too!> Count me in too! July 8th is a Saturday though, so if you are off weekends, you can stay up all night on Saturday and not worry about your job performance the next day. <g> Does anyone else anticipate that there might be a bit of a media craze with the release of Book 4 (I think I read that in some locations when POA was released, the bookstores opened at midnight, etc.)? Another HP friend and I here are already making plans to spend the night in line if necessary to get our copies the second they are released. Penny (who definitely needs more hobbies!) From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 21:58:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:58:00 -0500 Subject: New book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C684 From: melaniem68 Subject: New book Reply To: [Yahoo! #683] Re: Quidditch Date: 3/23/00 4:58 pm (ET) Penny wrote: <Count me in too! July 8th is a Saturday though, so if you are off weekends, you can stay up all night on Saturday and not worry about your job performance the next day. <g>> I work Saturdays but I am off Sundays. I hope by July I will be off weekends, however. <Another HP friend and I here are already making plans to spend the night in line if necessary to get our copies the second they are released.> I've already ordered my copy on-line as well as one for my twelve-year-old niece. I'd half expected a message along the lines of "Now, now, let's not be greedy! One copy per customer, please!", but I was allowed to order two. I don't know whether or not that will be to my advantage; I'm half afraid they won't have enough copies to ship one to everyone right away. Even if they are shipped in a timely manner, I'll probably receive mine during the week. If so, I *know* I won't be able to wait until my day off to read it. I'll want to "just skim through it" before bed. Next thing I know, I'll be in a hair-raising scene when my alarm will go off! I definitely need to get back into my pre-HP hobbies and interests. Melanie From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 23:20:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:20:00 -0500 Subject: I like your theory. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C685 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: I like your theory. Reply To: [Yahoo! #676] I like your theory. Date: 3/23/00 6:20 pm (ET) > And even if it doesn't work out that way, I > still think it's an excellent idea. Maybe YOU > should try your hand at writing. Do you? Thanks. :) Yes, I write, although mostly Star Trek fanfiction. I've never tried my hand at any Harry Potter stuff. I might, someday. -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu Mar 23 23:26:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:26:00 -0500 Subject: New book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C686 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: New book Reply To: [Yahoo! #684] New book Date: 3/23/00 6:26 pm (ET) <I've already ordered my copy on-line as well as one for my twelve-year-old niece. I'd half expected a message along the lines of "Now, now, let's not be greedy! One copy per customer, please!", but I was allowed to order two.> I've already reserved my copy at barnesandnoble.com. I'm not sure what my employment plans will be this summer, but hopefully the book will be sent to me ASAP, and on a day I don't have to work! In only takes me a few hours to read a Potter book, though. I'm a very fast reader. I believe POA took me about three hours, maybe a bit more. On the other hand, I must've reread the part about the Gryffindors winning the Quidditch Cup twelve times. I love that part. :) -- JoAnna From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 00:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:41:00 -0500 Subject: New book Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C687 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: New book Reply To: [Yahoo! #684] New book Date: 3/23/00 7:41 pm (ET) Melanie: <I don't know whether or not that will be to my advantage; I'm half afraid they won't have enough copies to ship one to everyone right away. Even if they are shipped in a timely manner, I'll probably receive mine during the week.> Yes, no doubt. Amazon.com confirmed that they won't ship until the 8th (or whatever the release date turns out to be). I'd already preordered through them when I learned this. I figure I'll give my amazon copy away and go stand in the lines and buy one *on* the 8th as I don't want to wait one minute longer than necessary. <I definitely need to get back into my pre-HP hobbies and interests.> Glad to know I'm not the only obsessed one who has abandoned or curtailed non-HP interests!! I'm not even sure what all I used to do with my time. <vbg> Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 00:50:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:50:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C688 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #686] Re: New book Date: 3/23/00 7:50 pm (ET) <On the other hand, I must've reread the part about the Gryffindors winning the Quidditch Cup twelve times. I love that part. :)> That's one of my faves also. What other particular chapters/sections do people find themselves drawn into re-reading? My husband is sloowwly trudging through Chamber at my insistence and so the copy is on the nightstand. I keep re-reading those last 2 chapters of Chamber (Fawkes, sword out of the sorting hat, etc.). Practically any part of POA is worthy of much re-reading! I like re-reading the parts with his two illegal visits to Hogsmeade. And, I really like *all* those Quidditch game scenes. For comic value -- (1) the part in Chamber when Ron's curse on Malfoy backfired and he ends up belching slugs; and (2) towards the end of POA when Hermione slugs Malfoy and walks out on Professor Trelawney all on the same day. :--) Penny Penny From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 02:01:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:01:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C689 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #688] Re-Reading Date: 3/23/00 9:01 pm (ET) <For comic value -- (1) the part in Chamber when Ron's curse on Malfoy backfired and he ends up belching slugs; and (2) towards the end of POA when Hermione slugs Malfoy and walks out on Professor Trelawney all on the same day. :--)> I've been wanting to pose the same question, but I'm never sure which group to *start* a thread in. My favorite, for comic value, is when Snape tries to get the Marauder's Map to reveal itself, and it insults him instead. <My husband is sloowwly trudging through Chamber at my insistence> What's your secret? I bought a good friend of mine a copy of Sorcerer's Stone to read while he's laid up from surgery, but I think he just accepted it to be polite. Whenever I mention anything from the books, he gives me this half-indulgent, half-incredulous look. Like, "You're not still obscessed with those *kids'* books are you? Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 13:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:31:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C690 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #689] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 8:31 am (ET) Melanie wrote: <My favorite, for comic value, is when Snape tries to get the Marauder's Map to reveal itself, and it insults him instead.> LOL! I love that one too! Melanie -- as for getting friends to read the HP books -- I've had mixed luck. Re: my husband -- it's really "insistence" on my part (and I now think he's actually enjoying the books but feigning disinterest because he knows it annoys me no end!). I have some friends who have heard from others also that the HP books are good and they are now professing an interest in reading them. Then, I have others who just dismiss them as "children's books." Unfortunately, *I* have a difficult time changing their minds as most all my friends know I'm writing a biography of children's author Laura Ingalls Wilder. So, they just think "oh, yeah, the person who's crazy about the Little House books is now recommending *another* set of children's books." :--) Incidentally, I do readily acknowledge that the Little House books *are* largely children's books (though they hold appeal still for people who read them as children or are reading them to their own children). But, the HP books are definitely not just for kids in my mind. I think it will be interesting to see how much readership (adult readership in particular) jumps up when Book 4 is released, as it appears that HP will take up 4 slots on the NY Times Bestseller List at that point (unless Sorcerer's Stone slips off the list before then, but it seems to be holding steady for the moment). Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 13:49:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:49:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C691 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #690] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 8:49 am (ET) Once upon a time, there was a woman named voicelady. She was the type who never quite forgot how to be like a child and enjoy things unselfconsciously. Her friends and family seemed to like this about her, or they were secretly amused by this and let her be herself anyway. Some of voicelady's favorite things in the whole world were the movies she'd seen and the books she read as a child. They had instilled in her a sense of magic and wonder. She still, to this very day, will sit and watch Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and be as pleased with it as the first time she ever saw it practically 30 years ago. One day, she noticed that children's books, (CHILDREN'S BOOKS!) were on the best-sellers list of the New York Times! This excited her very much, because she thought, "How wonderful! There are more people out me like there than I thought! Maybe world peace isn't too far behind!" Then she started reading articles in pulitzer prize winning newspapers in the main section, not just Arts & Leisure, about the wonderful impact these books were having on children who'd never read anything with enjoyment before. Intrigued, she immediately rushed out and bought all three books in the series. Suffice it to say, she fell in love with all of the characters, even the nasty ones, because they were just the type of people that you love to hate. Her friends noticed her reading - and re-reading - and re-reading - the books. Then they saw her listening to the audio CDs. She was having so much fun and was so unselfconscious about it, that they all became curious. Even her husband, who had his silly young side but very rarely let outsiders see it, became curious about her fascination with Harry Potter. She spoke about him as if he were a real person. Granted, she had always enjoyed youthful pursuits, but this was almost too much! So with more than a mild curiosity, they all began, rather hesitantly, perusing the pages of our gallant young hero. And lo and behold, once again, Voicelady had not steered them wrong. They all became enrapt with the adventures of Harry Potter. The End next week, voicelady will write an essay entitled: "Styrofoam From The Outer Rings of Saturn, Myth or Fact?" From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 15:03:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:03:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C692 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #691] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 10:03 am (ET) Loved your essay voicelady! I cut and paste it into a message to my husband. :--) BTW, I haven't listened to my car radio in probably 2 months -- not since I got the HP audio sets. <g> From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 15:25:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:25:00 -0500 Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C693 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Thanks! Reply To: [Yahoo! #692] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 10:25 am (ET) (rather slow day at work - can you tell? - Ha!) From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 17:02:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: Thanks! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C694 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: Thanks! Reply To: [Yahoo! #693] Thanks! Date: 3/24/00 12:02 pm (ET) I just wanted to say that I'm new here, and I'm glad to see people like you around for two reasons: 1. I really like what you have to say. 2. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears voices. I don't hear two thousand of them though, but oh well. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 17:17:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:17:00 -0500 Subject: OMG!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C695 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: OMG!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #694] Re: Thanks! Date: 3/24/00 12:17 pm (ET) How are you? From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 18:06:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:06:00 -0500 Subject: OMG!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C696 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: OMG!!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #695] OMG!!! Date: 3/24/00 1:06 pm (ET) Meant to finish the third book this morning, but I didn't get the chance. I kind of don't wanna. Anyway, DON'T NONE O' YOU GUYS GO SPOILIN' NUFFIN' TIL I'M DONE! Hee hee. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 20:20:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:20:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C697 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #692] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 3:20 pm (ET) It is interesting to see what people re-read. I used to do that with book1 all the time: the letters (I love those letters and the imaginative ways they arrive), when Harry arrives at the Leaky Cauldron and everyone wants to meet him after ten years of abuse and neglect with the Dursleys, the end with Harry and Dumbledore when Harry thinks that the worst thing that could have happened was Voldemort getting the stone and Dumbledore tells him it was actually Harry dying. Oh yeah and when Harry flies for the first time and the joy of finding something he was good at. I've never re-read much of 2 but I do love the scene after they've come out of the Chamber and go into the room with all the people in it and all those people are so shocked to see them, etc. 3 I just read over and over cover to cover. The one part I reread several times as I'm reading the rest of the book is the very end when Harry is telling Mr. Dursley about his godfather, the murderer, and how he likes to keep in touch with Harry to see how he's doing. Makes me laugh every time. From mexana_dandelions at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 21:01:00 2000 From: mexana_dandelions at yahoo.com (mexana_dandelions at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:01:00 -0500 Subject: Darwinnyc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C698 From: mexana_dandelions Subject: Darwinnyc Date: 3/24/00 4:01 pm (ET) Hey Darwinnyc, you have to get Yahoo!Messenger in order to chat. Just download it. Otherwise, you can't see my answers. From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 21:25:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:25:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C699 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #697] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 4:25 pm (ET) I Love the end of the 3rd book there are somany plot twists you have no clue where it will go next. Meg From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 21:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:29:00 -0500 Subject: Re-Reading Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C700 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Re-Reading Reply To: [Yahoo! #697] Re: Re-Reading Date: 3/24/00 4:29 pm (ET) <Oh yeah and when Harry flies for the first time and the joy of finding something he was good at.> Ooh, that's a great passage in Book 1! I like all the ending scenes with Harry & Dumbledore also - the one in Sorcerer where he explains to Harry that his mother died to save him; the one in Chamber where he tells Harry that his own choices of good over evil mean far more than any similarities he might share with Voldemort (that Harry is a true Gryffindor); and in POA when he told Harry how much he's like his father and that his father is alive in him. Penny From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 00:02:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:02:00 -0500 Subject: Darwinnyc Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C701 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: Darwinnyc Reply To: [Yahoo! #698] Darwinnyc Date: 3/24/00 7:02 pm (ET) Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. :^) From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 18:10:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:10:00 -0500 Subject: Not sure what to make of this Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C702 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Not sure what to make of this Date: 3/25/00 1:10 pm (ET) I had assumed, when I saw this club, that it would be adults, talking about what to do about this new phenomenon with children, Harry Potter book series. Instead it is adults who say that the books are good, haven't you ever heard of a little book called the bible????? That is the important book, can you show me where in the bible it says witchcraft is acceptable???? How can we teach this to our children?? We should teach them to respect and worship and fear our lord not to mock Him! you should be ashamed of yourselvces. From jeralynks at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 21:37:00 2000 From: jeralynks at yahoo.com (jeralynks at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:37:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C703 From: jeralynks Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #702] Not sure what to make of this Date: 3/25/00 4:37 pm (ET) then I will. Is this a complete joke?!? Lighten up, buddy! From tori_grrrl at yahoo.com Sat Mar 25 22:05:00 2000 From: tori_grrrl at yahoo.com (tori_grrrl at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:05:00 -0500 Subject: Not sure what to make of this Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C704 From: tori_grrrl Subject: Re: Not sure what to make of this Reply To: [Yahoo! #702] Not sure what to make of this Date: 3/25/00 5:05 pm (ET) Um...excuse me, but last time I checked, Christianity wasn't the only religion in the world. Not only that...but these books belong to a little club called "fiction". Ever heard of it? Obviously not. From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 00:40:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:40:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C705 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #703] If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 7:40 pm (ET) Excuse me but how can you stand there and tell me to lighten up my morals?? Who are you to tell me this??? Exodus 22:18 (KJV) "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." According to the Word of God all kind of witchcraft (voodoo, black or white magic), any charms for protection or destruction all are bad no matter what and no matter how the witches represent it to deceive the people. Christian people do not need any protection from Satan's side. God is greater than the defeated Satan, also God's angel are stronger than Satan's army (evil spirits). According to Psalms 34:7 God's angel guards those who honor the Lord and rescues them from danger. We should not follow those people that disobedient the Lord, no matter how nice they are or claim they are Christian or have a gift from mother or ancestor. Those kind of the gift directly comes from Satan not God. Some of the witches claim they are Christian but they are not, they are wolves in sheep skin. According to the Bible Christians should never get involved with witchcraft of any kind even for the good purposes like white magic. Surely I am not the only Christian here am I? I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ARGUMENTS OR TO CAUSE TROUBLE HERE,I WANT TO DIS CUSS THIS I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL SAY THIS IS OK. From iago_nyc at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 01:39:00 2000 From: iago_nyc at yahoo.com (iago_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:39:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C706 From: iago_nyc Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 8:39 pm (ET) Mr Beckhorn says: "I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL SAY THIS IS OK. " How stupid are you? Have you seen the title of this discussion group? Go check out the discussion group "Harry Potter is the Devil" if you want people who think that a little fictional fantasy is NOT ok. But I imagine anything said to you will fall on deaf ears. You are obviously one of those fundamentalist Christians who believe it is their duty to foist their faith on the rest of us. I've met too many of your ilk in middle America. None of whom would accept MY beliefs in the spirituality of nature and nature's spirits. Oh, and thank you for providing a whipping boy for the rest of us pagans. The Gods love you. . . From jeralynks at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 01:47:00 2000 From: jeralynks at yahoo.com (jeralynks at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:47:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C707 From: jeralynks Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 8:47 pm (ET) Hey, I'm back! And I'm responding to <Excuse me but how can you stand there and tell me to lighten up my morals??> Actually, I was sitting down when I wrote that. :^p From ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 01:54:00 2000 From: ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com (ashley_mcbrein at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:54:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C708 From: ashley_mcbrein Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 8:54 pm (ET) If you're so like this....Against Harry Potter..then go here: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/caahp It's Christain Alliance Against Harry Potter. But, if yuo guys start any thing fishy, like trying to get the books off the shelf, RAHPE (Readers Against Harry Potter Exile) will try to end that club. You can join RAHPE at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/rahpeheadquarters Thankx From norevoli at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 02:39:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:39:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C709 From: norevoli Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 9:39 pm (ET) dear Mr beckhorn, I assume, that when you joined this club that you have already read all three books and are not just waltzing in here scolding us on something that you have not yourself experienced. We are not a group of people encouraging others to join into witch craft or become pagans. Our only concern here sir, is the literature. And from what I have read, I see no indication of the author encouraging us to become witches and wizards. The only thing that I can clearly see existing through all three books is the simple message of self worth, the battle of good versus evil. IF you must know, I am a Christian, and this book has no way pushed me into becoming a witch or practicing magic. It's influence has only been to provide me with a second chance of experiencing things as a child sees them, adventures we dreamed of as children, not of devoting myself to witchcraft. This book is a story, not a bible. It is a story, it gives no insight into what the universe is, or what gods to believe in. what of CS Lewis, was he not Christian? did he not write about Narnia, a fictious place where travelling can be done through magic rings, magic wardrobes. The goodness represented through a magical talking lion? what of the fairytales you must have read as a child, cinderella, snow white, sleeping beauty? what of the wizard of Oz? They are all stories that involve magic. I think that you must be careful in what you try to imply about the Harry Potter books. It is a story not a preaching, and it will only ever be that. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 02:58:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:58:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C710 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #709] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 9:58 pm (ET) Thanks Norevoli (hope I spelled it right) I was reminded by your comments that CS Lewis was not just a Christian but a Theologian Scholar - he stated many times that his books were meant to show children the wonder of doing good, and living a Christian lifestyle through stories they could relate to. I think Harry Potter is much the same. It seems strange to say, not meaning to offend anybody here, but the majority of dissentors are in America. I am from England originally, and have lived in the States for three years now. I received a Christian upbringing and education, both in public school and Sunday school. Not once was I ever told what I could and could not read, and I would never presume to tell anybody else that. If you don't think the books are any good, in any way, ignore them. People CAN bring up their own children. I'm sorry, this seems to have turned into a bit of a rant. It's just I think freedom is something highly valued in all religions. I love the art and writings of William Blake. Both sides - the religious side and his "darker" side. If you seek to ban things, then maybe you should try living in a society where you are not free to pracise your religion. Then perhaps you will see what living under other peoples rules and bans is a terrible thing, be it a book, or a socio-economic situation. OK - going to stop now - please dont get me started again! (sorry, I do go on a little too much) From harrypotterct at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 03:19:00 2000 From: harrypotterct at yahoo.com (harrypotterct at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:19:00 -0500 Subject: Response is on tarket and eloquent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C711 From: harrypotterct Subject: Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Reply To: [Yahoo! #709] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/25/00 10:19 pm (ET) What a wonderful retort. Bravo! I hope it's read by Beckhorn. Somehow, I doubt he'll "get it," but someone else may. From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 04:31:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:31:00 -0500 Subject: Response is on tarket and eloquent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C712 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Reply To: [Yahoo! #711] Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Date: 3/25/00 11:31 pm (ET) Absolutely. In addition to C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkein was also a Christian. Ever read Lord of the Rings trilogy & The Hobbit? This is *fiction*, not a primer aimed at indoctrinating our kids in witchcraft. From jak_98409 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 06:08:00 2000 From: jak_98409 at yahoo.com (jak_98409 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:08:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C713 From: jak_98409 Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 1:08 am (ET) Mr Beckhorn I am not sure what book you are reading. The 3 books on harry potter has not convinced me into witch craft. I am 60 and my grandson who is 8 we both enjoy harry potter. I would say you had a difficult time being a young at heart individual. On July 8th I will be at costco to get #4. Have a nice day Mr Beckhorn. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 19:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:40:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C714 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #705] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 2:40 pm (ET) Well, I think Mr. Beckhorn accomplished his objective -- he wanted to stir up trouble and get some attention and he sure did get it. I think it would have been funny if we had all kept chatting about our beloved Harry Potter books and just ignored him completely. But, since we have chosen to respond, I'll add some thoughts to the good points that others have made. This will be a 2 or 3 part message as Yahoo is prompting me to cut it down. <g> <Excuse me but how can you stand there and tell me to lighten up my morals?? Who are you to tell me this???> Uh, excuse ME, but didn't you START this conversation??? Hello!! That's the problem with you fundamentalist types is that you want to *do* the preaching, but you sure don't want to do any listening. I doubt you've read the books so I'll give you some basic facts. First, the books do not encourage witchcraft, Satanism or anything of the sort. The author has pointed out before that of all the thousands of children she's met while she does book tours and promotions, not a single one has ever said, "Thanks for writing these books. I really want to become a witch now." My sister is reading them to her 3rd grade class right now, and she said the children very clearly understand that the books are fantasy (and fiction). More to come . . . From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun Mar 26 19:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:40:00 -0500 Subject: More in Response Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C715 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More in Response Date: 3/26/00 2:40 pm (ET) Part II: The books offer a number of messages and themes that Christians and other religions (and in fact humankind as a whole) can condone: tolerance, compassion, self-confidence, good over evil, sacrifice, loyalty, and so on. It is very clearly demonstrated in the second book of the series that Harry has the capacity for both good and evil (as we all do) but that he has the strength of character to make a conscious decision to eschew evil and align himself with the good forces. There's a very interesting article written by a Christian theologian that you can read at: http://www.cesnur.org/recens/potter_016.htm But, since you might not take the trouble to read it, I'll cut and paste the relevant part here: <Near the end of the second book, after a terrifying encounter with Voldemort--his third, since Voldemort had tried to kill Harry, and succeeded in killing his parents, when Harry was a baby, and had confronted Harry again in the first book--he confesses his doubts to Dumbledore. '"So I should be in Slytherin," Harry said, looking desperately into Dumbledore's face. "The Sorting Hat could see Slytherin's power in me, and it--" "Put you in Gryffindor," said Dumbledore calmly. "Listen to me, Harry. You happen to have many qualities Salazar Slytherin prized in his hand-picked students. Resourcefulness . . . determination . . . a certain disregard for rules," he added, his moustache quivering again. "Yet the Sorting Hat placed you in Gryffindor. You know why that was. Think." "It only put me in Gryffindor," said Harry in a defeated voice, "Because I asked not to go in Slytherin. . . ." "Exactly," said Dumbledore, beaming once more. "Which makes you very different from [Voldemort]. It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." Harry sat motionless in his chair, stunned.' Harry is stunned because he realizes for the first time that his confusion has been wrongheaded from the start: he has been asking the question "Who am I at heart?" when he needed to be asking the question "What must I do in order to become what I should be?" His character is not a fixed preexistent thing, but something that he has the responsibility for making: that's why the Greeks called it character, "that which is engraved." It's also what the Germans mean when they speak of Bildung, and the Harry Potter books are of course a multivolume Bildungsroman--a story of "education," that is to say, of character formation.> I couldn't have said it better! I would also remind you, as did someone else, that censorship and restrictions on the expression of our beliefs goes against the very core of the values the US was founded on. The religious fundamentalists in this country should take a long hard look at where they would be if this country suddenly forbade freedom of religion and instituted a "State Church." The same holds true for literature and the free flow of ideas, beliefs, thoughts. I too was never forbidden from reading anything as a child and I definitely don't believe in censorship. Now, lastly, I will say this -- you very well knew what this group was when you posted your comments yesterday. Do you really expect any of us believe you stumbled onto this group by accident? If you do in fact really want to understand why we all believe the HP books are great literature for children and adults alike (and I doubt that's really your objective), then hang around awhile. Read the books. Read our comments. Read it and expand your mind. But, that's not what you *really* want, is it?? From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 00:03:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:03:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C716 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #714] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 7:03 pm (ET) Sir my objective was not to stir up trouble, which I said in my post. I know that the books are fiction they are not true stories but they still say that witchcarft is ok and the bible says that it is NOT, which do YOU believe?? Yes other books have fantasy elements in them but that is not like this, which shows kids practicing witchcraft like it is the right thing to do. Let me guess you say it is also ok to teach kids that they evolved from goo and it is ok to act like animals right? From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 00:07:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:07:00 -0500 Subject: Response is on tarket and eloquent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C717 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Reply To: [Yahoo! #711] Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Date: 3/26/00 7:07 pm (ET) Oh what are you saying, that I am not smart? I am smarter than YOU! I belive in GOD. From Pixzee at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 01:18:00 2000 From: Pixzee at yahoo.com (Pixzee at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:18:00 -0500 Subject: Response is on tarket and eloquent Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C718 From: Pixzee Subject: Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Reply To: [Yahoo! #717] Re: Response is on tarket and eloquent Date: 3/26/00 8:18 pm (ET) Mr. Beckhorn, I don't know what you're trying to accopmlish here by saying that these books are bad for children. Most of the people that are part of this club are Harry Potter fans, so you are not going to convince anyone here to stop reading them. You say you believe in God, well in the Bible doesn't it say somewhere in there to not inflict your opinions upon others? Sir, I think you should step back and look at what you are saying to us, think about it, and stop preaching to us. If I wanted a lesson on the Bible, I would have joined a club that would teach me about the Bible. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 01:33:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:33:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C719 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #716] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 8:33 pm (ET) First off, I'm female and yes you do mean to stir up trouble! That is *exactly* what you are trying to do. Why don't you quote some passages from the books that support your contention that the books promote or condone witchcraft? Good luck. You can just type out the quote(s) and put the page numbers in parentheses (hardback versions are most common so why don't you cite those). I am personally beginning to think that the tack to take with you is to ignore you (which was my first inclination yesterday). You keep talking in generalities and this certainly indicates to me that you haven't the faintest idea what's in the books. So, unless you can come up with something concrete that merits a response, I think I'll ignore your intolerant ramblings. Back to Harry Potter folks? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 02:43:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:43:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C720 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/26/00 9:43 pm (ET) Hi all: In case you hadn't heard: >After months of speculation, Scholastic confirmed today that the hotly anticipated fourth Potter book will be published on July 8. J.K. Rowling's novel, still tentatively titled Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament, will run "in excess of 700 pages," according to publicity director Kris Moran, almost as long as the previous two books combined. It will retail for $25.95.> Very exciting about the length of the book! I think I read once that Rowling had said she had enough material to do 12 Potter books but decided to structure so that it was one book for each of his 7 school years. I guess she's got enough material that the last 4 books will be longer and longer. Excellent! Penny From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 03:08:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:08:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C721 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #719] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 10:08 pm (ET) OK - I for one agree with pilsenmayer - I am bored of this whole thing - people are talking in mass generalizations, and this debate will just go round and round. I vote this topic finished - I feel everyone who wanted to has had their say (including me). I would like a nice atmosphere in which to discuss some of my favorite books with likeminded people. I have no problems with criticism if its well argued, but since Mr. Beckhorn has made no new arguments, I consider the subject over. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 03:36:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:36:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C722 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #707] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/26/00 10:36 pm (ET) <Hey, I'm back! And I'm responding to <Excuse me but how can you stand there and tell me to lighten up my morals??> Actually, I was sitting down when I wrote that. :^p> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was a good one! (although I think what she meant had nothing to do with Mr. Beckhorn's morals. Morals are a wonderful thing and I applaud him for believing in something so strongly. I think she was refering to his attitude.) Okay, now that aside, we know that the Bible also teaches tolerance, "Judge not lest ye be judged," and the concept of turning the other cheek. So I'll say that I disagree with Mr. Beckhorn, but I'll respect the fact that he has the right to have his opinions. Wouldn't it be nice if he were to take the same stance? Mr. Beckhorn, if you'd read any of the previous posts, you'd notice that this is a forum where we all respect each other and do not put down anyone for what they feel and how they express those opinions and feelings. After this post, we are all going to ignore any further message from you that tells us that we should be ashamed of ourselves for enjoying novels that have gotten children interested in literature. From hughmania at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 14:40:00 2000 From: hughmania at yahoo.com (hughmania at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:40:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C723 From: hughmania Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #719] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/27/00 9:40 am (ET) I would agree that ignoring Beckhorn as the best thing to do. I too am a Christian, a rather fundamentalist at that. I have been in this same argument for over a year now. I am a Children's Pastor and it has even been suggested that I lose my job because I don't see anything wrong with these books. I thought it kind of funny that I should be punished just for an opinion but thats the way some of these people are. Its like they are brainwashed, can't think for themselves and feel extremely threatened by any thoughts other than the ones given to them by some cherished religious leader. I apologize to any of you who have been offended by Mr. Beckhorn and beg you not to judge Christianity or Christ based on his behavior. It and He are not really like that. From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 15:17:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:17:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C724 From: darwinnyc Subject: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 10:17 am (ET) Am I the only dumb dumb who didn't realize that a guy named "Lupin" would turn out to be a werewolf? From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 15:39:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:39:00 -0500 Subject: Wait, like - OOPS Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C725 From: darwinnyc Subject: Wait, like - OOPS Reply To: [Yahoo! #724] So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 10:39 am (ET) Shoulda prolly put in a spoilers warning there, eh? Or is it ok to assume that everybody's read all the books already? Sorry if I've made a blunder. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 16:47:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:47:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C726 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #720] Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/27/00 11:47 am (ET) Ooooooh! I am sooo excited (oops, excuse me, my 'o' key seems to have gotten stuck somewhere... hehehe) to hear about the length of the new book. See, when I started reading the books, I started with number 2, then went to 1, then three. And it was wonderful having such a nice long book to "finish" off my little Harry Potter festival. Now! 700+ pages! I've been looking forward to it ever since last September, but wow! Talk about doubling the excitement! I'd been wondering how she was going to fit in the World Cup (and all that leads up to it and so on) AND a whole term at Hogwarts! Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Yippee! Jen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 18:43:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:43:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C727 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #726] Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/27/00 1:43 pm (ET) 700 pages! Woo-hoo! My o would have gotten stuck, too. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 19:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:44:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C728 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #724] So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 2:44 pm (ET) Hi Darwinny: I think "Lupin" (and first name Remus!) is one of those things that you look back on and think "aaggh, how did I miss that?!!" Just like Harry's dream in Sorcerer's Stone about Quirrell's turban. I'd like to think I'll try to read with a more critical eye in Book 4 but . . . . BTW, I personally don't think we need spoilers at this point, as it's pretty safe to assume everyone has at least had an opportunity to finish all 3 books before they started posting to and reading messages from this club. But, in July, we do all need to be careful about that for the first few months. Penny From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 20:19:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:19:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C729 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #724] So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 3:19 pm (ET) no - you're not - like so many of JK Rowling's names I only realize the significance later. Like "Tom Marvolo Riddle". I guess I'm so caught up in the books while I'm reading them that the significance never strikes me. Can't wait - 700+ pages! Yay! From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 21:01:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:01:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C730 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #726] Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/27/00 4:01 pm (ET) Where did you read that it was confirmed? I know the Unofficial HP Fan Club said that it was confirmed, but they didn't say where. ~Mairi~ From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 22:34:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:34:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C731 From: norevoli Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #723] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/27/00 5:34 pm (ET) thanx for saying that, its times like these that I sometimes feel insecure about what or what not to do. And when people like him come up to me and scold me on what I do, I am never certain that what they believe is right. It is so very hard to decipher right from wrong. but as a christian, the only thing that I can do about it is be prayerful and trust that God will help me understand. Don't you just get sick of people telling you what you can't do? Its very aggrevating sometimes. Anyway, i"m glad there's someone out there like me. and now let's get back to Harry Potter discussions! From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon Mar 27 22:45:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:45:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C732 From: norevoli Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #728] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 5:45 pm (ET) he he he, I'm bad with that reader's dim-ness too. I had to go over book 1 a second time to figure out the message on the mirror... did you guys get that? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 00:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:32:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C733 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #732] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 7:32 pm (ET) That's what was so great about reading the book versus listening to the tapes and CDs. With the actual written word, you could "SEE" the message about getting your heart's desire: Erised stra ehru oyt ube cafru oyt on wohsi. Translation: I show not your face but your hearts desire. (It's a mirror so you have to read it backwards.) Just listening to Jim Dale speak it, it sounds like some weird made-up language. Hey! Today is March 27th! It's less than 3 1/2 months away!!! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 00:51:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:51:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C734 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #733] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 7:51 pm (ET) <Hey! Today is March 27th! It's less than 3 1/2 months away!!!> Not that anyone's counting, right? ;-) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:06:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:06:00 -0500 Subject: And now for something totally different. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C735 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: And now for something totally different. Date: 3/27/00 8:06 pm (ET) You're all probably going to laugh, but the more I read each of these books, the more I see and hear a VERY specific character whenever Neville appears. Do any of you happen to watch The Simpsons? Well, picture Ralph ("My cat's breath smells like cat food!") the next time you read anything Neville-related. I realize that they are totally different and I don't know why I ever linked the two of them together, but now I just can't stop! From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:07:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:07:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C736 From: norevoli Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #734] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 8:07 pm (ET) nope, not counting the days down myself but i've got July 8 circled with millions of stars around it in all the colours of the rainbow...heh, its almost like its my birthday that day...*giggles* From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:21:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:21:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C737 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #722] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/27/00 8:21 pm (ET) I am truly sorry if my messages were seen as disrepsectful, that was not my intentions. I would like to start over from teh beginning and have a nice peaceful conversation on this important topic, ok? I know that the books do not really say in them for everybody to go out and practice witchcraft and be against the bible. But when you show children doing witchcraft which is specifically prohibited by god, then what is the implication? What if it was different, and the books were about a group of children who go to school to learn how to murder and steal? Even if the book does not say "ok kids everyone should go out and kill everybody and steal things"? Even if it is fantasy and the kids are from outerspace or something. Would you not object? Because it IMPLIES that it is ok for kids to do this? Or is it ok because of free speech and because it gets children to read literature. I apologize if I was rude but I think this needs to be discussed. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:41:00 -0500 Subject: If no one else wants to say it, Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C738 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: If no one else wants to say it, Reply To: [Yahoo! #737] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/27/00 8:41 pm (ET) Apology accepted. I'd be happy to talk to you about the books. But, I think it's very very important for you to have read them yourself before you can begin to have a meaningful dialogue with any of us. This group is for adult fans of the HP books, and as you can no doubt see from our messages, we're just wild about these books. But, I truly don't think you can get anything out of discussing them with us if you haven't read them yourself. If you've read them, I don't think you could have the opinion that they are a bad influence on children. So, I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that you have not yet read them and just have preconceived notions about them from things you've read or heard. So . . . set me straight first off. Have you read them? I think your basic point (if I haven't completely misunderstood you) is that the books show children "practicing witchcraft" and therefore children will believe that the books condone this. If you read the books, you'll see that they aren't really "practicing witchcraft" in the sense that you are probably imagining it. What Rowling has set up is a parallel universe -- the books are a means of illustrating universal truths. And, as I mentioned yesterday, Rowling said she's never heard a child say that they are now going to take up witchcraft as a result of reading these books. It's a fantasy world, and the kids recognize this. These books are no more harmful to children than many classic children's fairy tales, Caspar the Friendly Ghost cartoons, Peter Pan, the Wizard of Oz, the Narnia books, etc. But, I *really, really, really* can't emphasize enough that you will not be able to understand what any of us are saying if you haven't read these wonderful magical books. I mentioned in one of my posts yesterday that the books demonstrate a number of virtues that we should all applaud (tolerance, loyalty, self-sacrifice, self-confidence, etc.). I set out a long quote from a piece written by a religious scholar -- it was a particularly eloquent passage to me because the scene he recounts from the 2nd HP book (Chamber) is one of my favorite scenes. He said it better than I but the basic gist of his point is that these books are about a journey in character formation. Harry recognizes that he is not inherently good and that there will be many choices along the road of life. I think it was message 714 or 715. I'll end here as this is getting long. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:43:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:43:00 -0500 Subject: And now for something totally differ Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C739 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: And now for something totally differ Reply To: [Yahoo! #735] And now for something totally different. Date: 3/27/00 8:43 pm (ET) <Well, picture Ralph ("My cat's breath smells like cat food!") the next time you read anything Neville-related. I realize that they are totally different and I don't know why I ever linked the two of them together, but now I just can't stop!> I always picture a British version of Vern, Jerry O'Connell's character in 1986's "Stand By Me". Anyone remember that movie? Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 01:55:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:55:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C740 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #736] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 8:55 pm (ET) <i've got July 8 circled with millions of stars around it in all the colours of the rainbow...heh, its almost like its my birthday that day> Speaking of birthdays, I'm just curious as to why they picked that July 8, in particular. Why not July 31, since that's Harry's birthday, and the books all seem to start with his birthday? Not that I'm arguing, mind you. :) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 02:41:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:41:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C741 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #740] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 9:41 pm (ET) <Speaking of birthdays, I'm just curious as to why they picked that July 8, in particular. Why not July 31, since that's Harry's birthday, and the books all seem to start with his birthday? Not that I'm arguing, mind you.> It would be nice for release to be on Harry's birthday, wouldn't it? I suspect one of the main reasons they picked July 8th is because it's a Saturday. There were plenty of kids who played hooky from school when Books 2 and 3 were released, and I read somewhere that they wanted to avoid that. :--) Although in July, I would think most schools here and in the UK would be on holiday. Penny (who has a group of friends ready to camp out at the local B&N on the night of July 7th if need be) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 02:59:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:59:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C742 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #741] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/27/00 9:59 pm (ET) My husband and I pre-ordered it the day we also ordered the Chamber of Secrets CDs. He will be out of town when it arrives, so he's made me promise to ship it to him when I've finished with it! Oh my, we certainly are silly... From brewergirl at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 16:48:00 2000 From: brewergirl at yahoo.com (brewergirl at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:48:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C743 From: BrewerGirl Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #682] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/28/00 11:48 am (ET) I just saw an "exclusive" update on AOL Entertainment ... Chris Columbus will direct the new movie ... release date still unknown (but probably summer 2001). Columbus directed Stepmom, Mrs. Doubtfire, Bicentennial Man, and Nine Months. AOL is also conducting a poll on who should play Harry. The options AOL is giving are: * Haley Joel Osment (The Sixth Sense) * Jonathan Lipnicki (Jerry Maguire) * Jake Lloyd (Star Wars) * Frankie Muniz (Malcolm in the Middle) I don't know if the info is accurate but thought I'd pass it along ... From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 17:29:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:29:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C744 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #743] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/28/00 12:29 pm (ET) Oh darn, I totally had my heart set on Terry Gilliam. Well, I'm sure Chris Columbus will do a wonderful job, anyway, given his track record with kids' movies. Personally, I'd rather see an unknown British youngster play Harry (I'd rather see the entire cast as unknown Brits), but if I have to choose from one of the aforementioned - Haley Joel Osment, Jonathan Lipnicki, Jake Lloyd or Frankie Muniz - I'd put all of my money on Jonathan Lipnicki. He's got just the right combination of quirky-ness and cute adorability. Don't get me wrong, I love all of the kids, but I think Lipnicki has the perfect quality for this particular role. And did we all see Haley Joel Osment at the Oscars? What a CUTE kid! I still wish he'd won, but you really have to hand it to Michael Caine - he was so gracious that I have much more respect for him now. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 17:36:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:36:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C745 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #743] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/28/00 12:36 pm (ET) Well, maybe I won't be seeing the Potter movie after all. While Columbus has done some stuff that is watchable, much of his stuff is overly sentimental and maudlin. I enjoyed Mrs. Doubtfire though I have my doubts whether anyone but Robin Williams could have pulled it off. Stepmom was full of cheap heart tugs. I'm not sure that I wouldn't rather see Disney take a shot at it. They might end up with something like The Black Cauldron. But with my luck, they would end up with something more like the Rescuers Downunder. Of course, Hedwig would have to talk and probably sing something thoroughly forgetable. On second thought, I'd rather stay home and read Sorcerer's Stone for the bajillionth time. From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 18:30:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C746 From: norevoli Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #740] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/28/00 1:30 pm (ET) Refering to releasing the book on Harry's b-day... It wouldn't be such a bad idea... but from someone like me who reads books and watches movies over and over and over and over (without getting sick of them) I don't think that i'd have time to read that book over and over and over and over as much as I'd like if it was released on the 31st of July... especially if it really is 700 pages long!! but then that's me! sorry but its hard not to read so much... especially when you're on a book binge!! I'm devouring Terry Brooks books one by one as we speak...and tomorrow I hope to get back my book 3 of HP atleast! but if i can't have book 3, mr. Brooks will do nicely... sorry i'm babbling... me=) From jeralynks at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 18:34:00 2000 From: jeralynks at yahoo.com (jeralynks at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:34:00 -0500 Subject: So, hey . . . Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C747 From: jeralynks Subject: Re: So, hey . . . Reply To: [Yahoo! #746] Re: So, hey . . . Date: 3/28/00 1:34 pm (ET) Which Terry Brooks books are you reading? I enjoy him, too. From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 18:35:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:35:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C748 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #720] Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/28/00 1:35 pm (ET) Penny, where did you get your info on the 700+ pages in the up coming book? Just wondering... From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 18:39:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:39:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C749 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #748] Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/28/00 1:39 pm (ET) I don't know about Penny, but I saw the information when I ordered the book through barnedandnoble.com. Yay! I like Terry Brooks books, too. Try saying that 5 times fast - Terry Brooks books,Terry Brooks books,Terry Brooks books,Terry Brooks books,Terry Brooks books. I think it's time for me to take a vacation... From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 18:40:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:40:00 -0500 Subject: Reading material Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C750 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Reading material Reply To: [Yahoo! #737] Re: If no one else wants to say it, Date: 3/28/00 1:40 pm (ET) Of all the things out there in the entertainment world, I think the one I'm least worried about is Harry Potter's treatment of witchcraft. Would I rather my child spend time reading Harry Potter or watching typical weeknight television? For me, that question deserves about 2 nanoseconds of consideration. I pick reading Harry Potter in less than a heartbeat. Part of it is that it encourages children to read. I have one child who hates reading. I consider that a much greater tragedy than my child thinking it isn't a mortal sin to read the horoscope in the paper. I choose Harry Potter because of all the wonderful things it teaches. It may imply that witchcraft is acceptable, a position I consider a real stretch, it definitely teaches the virtues of bravery, friendship, mercy and a host of other virtues that i consider worthwhile. What is a parent to do about it? In my view, the least effective thing we can do is to ban it. No. Murder and all the rest are out there and our children have to learn to deal with the existence of it without resignation or despair. I don't believe that witchcraft, as portrayed in Harry Potter, actually exists. If it does, it is certainly less of problem than say crime. If I objected to Harry Potter books based on their implication that witchcraft might be acceptable, I'm not sure I could let my kids at the internet, ever go to a movie, watch television or read anything at all, the Bible included. (The best example of witchcraft in the Bible is when Saul goes to the necromancer to summon Samuel from the dead. Saul is lost already because he has turned his back on God. But Samuel's ghost doesn't reprimand Saul for using a witch. Nothing whatsoever happens to the necromancer. Does that imply that the Bible thinks witchcraft is acceptable? In Isaiah 47, the prophet tells the Babylonians to go ahead and practice witchcraft. Perhaps it will even gain them something. Ultimately they will come to ruin. Does that imply the Bible thinks witchcraft is acceptable? Not really, but I can see how someone who hasn't read the entire Bible might conclude that.) No. I believe the best way to deal with Harry Potter is much like you deal with the other unpleasantries of life. You teach your kids to deal with. You read Harry Potter to them for the same reason you read them the Bible. To make sure they get the good out of it without getting confused or mislead. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 22:34:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:34:00 -0500 Subject: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C751 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Reply To: [Yahoo! #748] Re: Book #4 Release Date Confirmed Date: 3/28/00 5:34 pm (ET) <Penny, where did you get your info on the 700+ pages in the up coming book? Just wondering... > Someone on another HP listserve posted it. It said it was from Publisher's Weekly. I did try to search the Publisher's Weekly site yesterday to see if there was more info, and I couldn't find it at all. But maybe I'm not searching effectively. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 22:46:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:46:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C752 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #744] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/28/00 5:46 pm (ET) <Oh darn, I totally had my heart set on Terry Gilliam.> Well, I had my heart set on Spielberg! Then, I decided Alan Parker might be okay. Ah, well . . . can't have everything. <Personally, I'd rather see an unknown British youngster play Harry (I'd rather see the entire cast as unknown Brits), but if I have to choose from one of the aforementioned - Haley Joel Osment, Jonathan Lipnicki, Jake Lloyd or Frankie Muniz - I'd put all of my money on Jonathan Lipnicki. He's got just the right combination of quirky-ness and cute adorability.> I want an unknown Brit to be cast as Harry!!! And unknown Brits for Ron & Hermione too! Beyond that, I don't care so much. None of the Osment, Lipnicki, Lloyd or Muniz kids has dark hair, right? Are any of them Brits? I don't know why we Yanks think it has to be some blond American kid in any title role. Don't get me wrong -- I think Osment is a wonderful actor. And, I did look closely at him at the Academy Awards with that in mind -- but he just isn't *Harry* in my opinion. Love Lipnicki as well, but again . . . I don't see him as Harry. Yes, Voicelady -- Michael Caine was wonderfully gracious! That was a tough race from my perspective. I'd have probably given the nod to Osment, but loved Caine as well. Penny From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 28 22:57:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:57:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C753 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #752] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/28/00 5:57 pm (ET) <None of the Osment, Lipnicki, Lloyd or Muniz kids has dark hair, right? Are any of them Brits?> Frankie Muniz does have dark hair. I'm not familiar with Lloyd or Lipinski, and I don't know if any of them are British. I read in Entertainment Weekly that Spielburg had been considering Osment for the part, and Osment was interested, but WB wanted a Brit. Actually, from his photo, I'd picture him better as Malfoy! But then, Malfoy would be a fun part to play, too. Melanie From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 03:05:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:05:00 -0500 Subject: the funny moments. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C754 From: norevoli Subject: the funny moments. Date: 3/28/00 10:05 pm (ET) I know that this was discussed waaaaaay back but I just found my book 2 (its been hiding on me) and I think I'd have to say my fav funny moments in Chamber of Secrets all have to do with Gilderoy Lockhart for example.... 'yes, yes I know what your thinking! "It's alright for him, he's an internationally famous wizard already!" But when i was twelve, I was just as much of a nobody as you are now. In fact I'd say I was even more of a nobody!' AT the duelling club... Lockhart cuffed Harry merrily on the shoulder. 'Just do what I did, Harry!' 'What, drop my wand?' But Lockhart wasn't listening. cracks me up every time... From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 13:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:18:00 -0500 Subject: I doscovered this in Daily News online: Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C755 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: I doscovered this in Daily News online: Date: 3/29/00 8:18 am (ET) Up until last month, his mentor, Steven <<Spielberg, was the top candidate to direct the first installment. But Spielberg bailed over creative differences with Rowling and Warner Bros. Spielberg wanted Sixth Sense spook spotter Haley Joel Osment as the spell-spinner; the studio and author want to find an unknown British schoolboy.>> Woo-hoo!!! No argument from me on that one! (Although I watched The Sixth Sense on DVD again last night, and that kid SHOULD have won the Oscar.) From nlpnt at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 14:33:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:33:00 -0500 Subject: Chris Columbus to direct Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C756 From: nlpnt Subject: Chris Columbus to direct Date: 3/29/00 9:33 am (ET) It's been posted on the official movie site, www.harrypotter.net, and also on Filmforce. As for Osment, Lloyd, Lipincki (sp?) and Muniz, none of them are British. The only one I'd like to see is Jake Lloyd as Riddle in "Chamber of Secrets" (the kid who grows up to be a Dark Lord...) From nlpnt at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 14:52:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:52:00 -0500 Subject: I just posted old news.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C757 From: nlpnt Subject: I just posted old news.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #756] Chris Columbus to direct Date: 3/29/00 9:52 am (ET) That's what I get for not catching up on all the old posts first. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 16:11:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:11:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C758 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #752] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/29/00 11:11 am (ET) Ah, yes. Terry Gilliam. I agree, he would have been best. I'm a little disappointed about the Chris Columbus decision... although I am glad WB is trying for an unknown Brit. Terry Gilliam would have made the movie really graphically "Hogwarts-y". Of course, I kind of imagine the movie scenes as sort of Burton-esque - sort of like Edward Scissorhands and Batman. Chris Columbus... well... come on. Sure, Home Alone was funny. I love Mrs. Doubtfire. Even Nine Months is funny at times. But those movies are NOTHING like Harry Potter, and I have this awful suspicion that we're going to get a lot of sight gags and gross-out humor and oh, I know, most of that has to do with the screenplay, but just let me be disappointed, okay? ;) Anyway, sorry to boo-hoo. Another thing, though, while I have a couple of minutes... I'm kinda miffed that they've decided to name it after the American version. Of course, this stems from my whole argument that there doesn't NEED to be an American version... but if they split up the books, are they going to do like 50 takes of each scene with different words so they can cut-and-paste in the editing room so both the American and British audiences will have their own dialect "quirks"? Can you imagine? :) Jen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 16:21:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:21:00 -0500 Subject: Potter Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C759 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Potter Movie Director Reply To: [Yahoo! #758] Re: Potter Movie Director Date: 3/29/00 11:21 am (ET) <<I'm kinda miffed that they've decided to name it after the American version. Of course, this stems from my whole argument that there doesn't NEED to be an American version... but if they split up the books, are they going to do like 50 takes of each scene with different words so they can cut-and-paste in the editing room so both the American and British audiences will have their own dialect "quirks"? Can you imagine?>> Geez Louise, I hadn't thought of that. From norevoli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 18:51:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0500 Subject: Chris Columbus to direct Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C760 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Chris Columbus to direct Reply To: [Yahoo! #756] Chris Columbus to direct Date: 3/29/00 1:51 pm (ET) If Jake Lloyd is Anakin Skywalker in the Star Wars, then I don't think that he could even play Tom Riddle... Riddle's sixteen when Harry meets him... he's already a prefect. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 18:56:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:56:00 -0500 Subject: Chris Columbus to direct Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C761 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Chris Columbus to direct Reply To: [Yahoo! #760] Re: Chris Columbus to direct Date: 3/29/00 1:56 pm (ET) I think I've figured out WHY I'd like an unknown child to play Harry Potter. If Haley Joel Osment or Jake Lloyd, or Jonathan Lipnicki or any one of another dozen known child actors were to play the role, I'd be thinking, "Oh look, it's so-and-so playing Harry." But if it is an unknown boy, it will be as though I'll look at him simply as Harry Potter, which will make the film that much more of an enjoyable experience. Does that make any sense? From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 20:19:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:19:00 -0500 Subject: Favorite HP Quotes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C762 From: pt4ever Subject: Favorite HP Quotes Date: 3/29/00 3:19 pm (ET) All the talk about favorite sections to reread got me thinking about another discussion question...what are some favorite HP quotes from any of the three books? My absolute favorite, hands-down, would have to be from "Sorcerer's Stone": "There are somethings you can't share without becoming friends, and knocking out a twelve-foot-tall mountain troll is one of them." I'm not sure if that's the exact quote, (and I don't have my copy of Sorcerer's Stone handy) but close enough. That line just cracks me up. :) -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed Mar 29 20:50:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:50:00 -0500 Subject: Odd coincedence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C763 From: pt4ever Subject: Odd coincedence Date: 3/29/00 3:50 pm (ET) I work at the Science Library at my university, and I came across a book called "The Handbook of Engineering"...by James Harry Potter. I kid you not. *Weird* coincedence, huh? -- JoAnna From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 02:30:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:30:00 -0500 Subject: Movie Director Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C764 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Movie Director Date: 3/29/00 9:30 pm (ET) I've changed my mind. Chris Columbus did script Goonies. That does show some potential to handle Potteresque material. Even so Terry Gilliam would have been better. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 02:34:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:34:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C765 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Potter names Date: 3/29/00 9:34 pm (ET) I just read an article about the author who is suing Rowling. It seems that book has muggles, Lilly Potter and Larry Potter. That seems like a pretty highly improbable combination to happen by random. Taking character names from another source doesn't strike me as being any big deal. Just like when we debated whether Hermione came from Shakespeare. Names are nothing. The story is everything. Still it is a disquieting thought. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 04:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:19:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C766 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Potter names Reply To: [Yahoo! #765] Potter names Date: 3/29/00 11:19 pm (ET) Hi: <I just read an article about the author who is suing Rowling. It seems that book has muggles, Lilly Potter and Larry Potter. That seems like a pretty highly improbable combination to happen by random. Taking character names from another source doesn't strike me as being any big deal. Just like when we debated whether Hermione came from Shakespeare. Names are nothing. The story is everything. Still it is a disquieting thought. > I've read the complaint at realmuggles.com and really thought it to be a ludicrous case. The complaint consists of page after page of conjecture of how JKR *might* have had access to these wholly dissimilar works by Stouffer. The case is very weak (in my judgment as a lawyer and as an avid HP fan). I really liked the official press release response of Scholastic and JKR -- it was posted on another HP listserve yesterday. If others are interested, I will cut and paste it onto this message board (but it will take several messages as it's somewhat longish). Two of my HP buddies -- who are also both lawyers -- and I were commenting on what fun it would be to represent Scholastic in this case: scouring old dictionaries and the like to find all the obscure uses of the term "muggles" through the ages. I think the whole thing is just apt evidence that the American propensity for litigiousness is completely out of hand. Penny From thefly_gr at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 09:27:00 2000 From: thefly_gr at yahoo.com (thefly_gr at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:27:00 -0500 Subject: Brand New and Greek Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C767 From: thefly_gr Subject: Brand New and Greek Date: 3/30/00 4:27 am (ET) Hello everyone I'm Tania 23 and I'm from Athens and I don't mean Athens Georgia! It is obvious that I love Harry Potter for the same reasons I saw posted. I' ve been a member for a couple of weeks but I wanted to read old messages before posting my own, as I haven't still found the time to read all of them I decided to post anyway. Where you come from everyone knows the books,the author, the upcoming movie, here at least at beginning it was frustrating.I found the first book in Greek by chance as the side of the cover striked me sometime in the summer , I bought it and after i read and became totally mesmerised i decided to buy copies for my friens. None of them to my disapontment read it! Then I started narrating the book to enyone willing to hear it, that went much better, i had people hanging from my every word. Since then things have changed in Greece I hear that by now all school kids know Harry and some teachers too, and all three books are transilated. Personally i read the other two in english ,thank god for Amazon, so that i can at know how to spell the names of Hagrid, Howgards or Quidich (maybe i still need work) Lately I meet a Greek American guy my exact age, same birthday and year, and was excited as he had read all the Potter books and at last had somebody to talk for hours. Then I found this club so you see by now why I'm all excited! I leave but you'll hear form me every chance i get. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:07:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:07:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C768 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Potter names Reply To: [Yahoo! #766] Re: Potter names Date: 3/30/00 8:07 am (ET) I have actually been trying to find an actual copy of the Stouffer book so I can make up my own mind, but it is NOWHERE! I've checked every bookstore and online service available, and even out-of-print/rare book services. No one has ever heard of it. Hmmmm. The whole case sounds like a case of sour grapes to me... From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:28:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:28:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C769 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Potter names Reply To: [Yahoo! #768] Re: Potter names Date: 3/30/00 8:28 am (ET) Maybe Penny can help on this but from what I've heard the only similarities are the names. As far as I'm concerned taking three names doesn't qualify as plaigarism. If Stouffer actually has been granted a trademark on the word "Muggles" though that might be a different story. Sour grapes doesn't quite capture what I think is going on. Its more like rolling the dice to get a piece of the mother lode. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:30:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:30:00 -0500 Subject: Brand New and Greek Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C770 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Brand New and Greek Reply To: [Yahoo! #767] Brand New and Greek Date: 3/30/00 8:30 am (ET) One of my many failings is that I collect Harry Potter book covers. The Greek edition is one that I haven't been able to get yet. Do you have access to a scanner? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:31:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:31:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C771 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Potter names Reply To: [Yahoo! #769] Re: Potter names Date: 3/30/00 8:31 am (ET) <<Sour grapes doesn't quite capture what I think is going on. Its more like rolling the dice to get a piece of the mother lode.>> Oh, but of course! From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 13:57:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:57:00 -0500 Subject: Good morning all! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C772 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Good morning all! Date: 3/30/00 8:57 am (ET) Sorry to go off topic for a moment, but I just changed my profile to include my yahoo email address. If anyone ever feels the need to email me personally, please don't hesitate to do so. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 14:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:05:00 -0500 Subject: Potter names Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C773 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Potter names Reply To: [Yahoo! #769] Re: Potter names Date: 3/30/00 9:05 am (ET) <Maybe Penny can help on this but from what I've heard the only similarities are the names. As far as I'm concerned taking three names doesn't qualify as plaigarism. If Stouffer actually has been granted a trademark on the word "Muggles" though that might be a different story.> Well, first the names are *similar* but not exact. Potter as a surname is relatively common in any case. I think that part of it is strictly coincidence. Scholastic did a good job in their press release of making it clear that JKR had not been to the US prior to her first book tour over here in late 1998 (one of Stouffer's contentions is that Rowling did a student exchange program in Baltimore, which was close enough in Stouffer's mind to PA, which is where Stouffer's books were distributed). Don't know where Stouffer's attys came up with the theory that JKR had been here on an exchange program, but for Scholastic to affirmatively state that she had not been is pretty clear. Trademark -- Stouffer applied for a trademark to the name muggles. In February 2000. Need I say more!! The complaint filed with the court is largely full of facts that make a weak attempt to establish that Stouffer had a trademark by virtue of her pattern of usage of the word -- but this argument only has merit if the word "muggles" was already associated with Stouffer's works in the minds of the general public. That's a stretch since her books were only distributed for a limited time and in a very limited geographic area (and never by any major or middling bookstores -- only grocery stores and the like). I would expect her trademark application to be denied and for the lawsuit to be dismissed post haste. It's definitely an attempt to cash in on the "mother lode" as you said Skimmel. AND sour grapes as well! Penny From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 14:22:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:22:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C774 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 9:22 am (ET) Well I think that I should tell you that the Harry Potter books have been banned in England for being against the Bible! (Not banned everywhere in the whole country.) So it is not fair to treat me like I just came here and made all of this up. And like you said, I went out to the bookstore and read some of Harry Potter and well, I was shocked. Like I said, they just treated witchcraft like it was fun harmless thing for kids to do. And who was the bad guys, the family who said don't you dare bring this evil into our house! The metaphor is Christians, of course. The Christians are portrayed as slobes and horrible people. Poor, poor Harry who has to live in a Bible believing household! What an insult to Christians. From nlpnt at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 14:57:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:57:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C775 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #774] Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 9:57 am (ET) quote- "Nothing gives me more pleasure than to learn that one of my books has been removed from a library. It's a proven fact that each book in a library prevents the sale of at least ten of it's fellows" ----Mark Twain From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 17:46:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:46:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C776 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #774] Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 12:46 pm (ET) Anyone interested, here is the link to the newspaper article: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/03/29/timnwsnws01029.html It is a single Church of England affiliated school who does make the book available after certain material is covered in class. As for Mr Beckhorn's assertion that the Dursley's are a model Christian family... I laughed until I cried. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:05:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:05:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C777 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #776] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:05 pm (ET) Skimmel wrote: <As for Mr Beckhorn's assertion that the Dursley's are a model Christian family... I laughed until I cried.> Me too! Maybe child abuse is okay in Mr. Beckhorn's world though. Penny From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:06:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:06:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C778 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #776] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:06 pm (ET) No they are NOT a model Christian family they are terrible, the book makes Christians out to be bad, that is the POINT!!!!! From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:11:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:11:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C779 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #778] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:11 pm (ET) They are not Christian at all. So making them look bad can not possibly make Christians out to be bad. Unless you find Darth Vader to be an outrageous parody of the pope, I can't see how anyone could come to the conclusion the book makes Christians out to be bad. Its approximately the same as saying that Doritos Corn Chips make Christians out to be bad. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:13:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:13:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C780 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #778] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:13 pm (ET) <No they are NOT a model Christian family they are terrible, the book makes Christians out to be bad, that is the POINT!!!!!> Don't know *why* you think the Dursleys are representative of Christianity. I personally believe it's exactly the opposite. So far, the books can be interpreted as a Christian allegory. Of course, we're only working with 3/7 of the series, so it's hard to say for sure. But, here's what I see so far: You have an infant who has such incredible powers that he can repel an attack of pure evil and effectively destroy that evil force. By vastly curtailing the strength and power of the evil force, he was effectively the "savior" of his people. His people -- witches & wizards -- celebrated his great victory and view him as their savior. At Hogwarts, the symbol of Harry's house is the lion. The symbol of Slytherin house is the serpent. Harry is constantly at odds with Slytherin as a whole. Harry continues to triumph over evil in each book. He could very well turn out to be a Christ figure in these books. But the Dursleys representative of Christianity? I don't buy it! Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:22:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:22:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C781 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #778] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:22 pm (ET) Mr. Beckhorn, There are good people in this world and there are also bad people. I tend to think the good outnumber the bad, but there are both kinds in ALL religions, races, and nationalities. Nowhere in the book is it either written or implied that the Dursleys are Christian or otherwise. You metioned earlier that you read "some" of the first book. I think you'll find that the rest of us will discredit your opinion on these books, because you have failed to read them all the way through. The "witchcraft" in the book is fictitious, and is secondary to the morals these books teach. Yes, Mr. Beckhorn, morals. The witchcraft angle does excite the kids because it is DIFFERENT and not real. It draws the kids into this fictional story and in doing so, they learn about honesty, courtesy, caring and friendship and how good, in any form, will always vanquish evil. It also teaches kids that it is okay to feel different, because all kids feel different in one way or another. It teaches acceptance and tolerance. In my humble opinion, that is probably the best lesson any child will ever learn. And hmmm, I'm sure I read that somewhere else, too. Oh yes, I read it in the Bible. Like I mentioned once before, it's great that you feel so strongly in something, and we respect your right to feel and say whatever you do. However, we all like the book and you're not going to change our minds. Please respect our rights in the same way without judging us. From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:32:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:32:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C782 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #778] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:32 pm (ET) <<No they are NOT a model Christian family, they are terrible, the book makes Christians out to be bad that is the POINT!!!!>> First of all, I'm not quite sure where you get the notion that the Dursleys at all represent a Christian family, whether model or not. Nowhere in the 3 books so far is there ever mention of them attending church or proclaiming that that is what they are. It seems that the only basis for your theory is that most families in England, US and Canada are Christian so therefore the Dursley's must represent Christians. This basis is not a very strong fondation to stand your point. Even so I do understand your concern of Christian families being portrayed as evil or bad or mean, (eventhough this isn't the case here in this book) But you must agree that the family, whether Christian or not, is quickly losing relevance in this society. We have often seen or experience familial breakup. But I think we sometimes hope that it isn't so. So what do we do? pretend that our families are alright, that nothing's wrong. I'm sure that there are many books out there (that i'm sure you disagree with) that show a christian family as disfunctional. But these books aren't brought to print to say that "WE THINK CHRISTIAN FAMILIES ARE BAD AND DON'T WORK" they are saying that, "yes, even in Christian homes, we are susceptible to breaking down. What are we doing about it?" Most of these books are bringing that problem to light. but, seeing as the Dursleys represent more the style of family found in Cinderella (Evil step mother and step sister) and not a Christian family, there is no reason for you to even suggest that this book makes Christians out to be evil.... From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:38:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:38:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C783 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #782] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:38 pm (ET) ... to add one more point, JKR has already foretold that soon we will be enlightened on why Harry must return to the Dursleys every summer. And I for one think that surrounding this reason, there will be a central theme of forgiveness. I think that sooner or later Harry will discover/learn that despite all that the Dursleys have done to him, he has to forgive them for it. (and besides, we christians know that it is not our job to to be angry and revengeful against those who have done wrong to us, we know that these people will get there come-uppance in heaven, do you agree, mr beckhorn?) I think you must remember mr beckhorn, that our characters are still developing, and learning from book to book. They still have much to discover. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:40:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:40:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C784 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #781] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:40 pm (ET) Excuse me but I thought we had agreed earlier to ignore this person. Obviously he will not change our minds and we will definitely not change his. Equally obviously he does not really wish to discuss anything; people who wish to discuss do not start off their first message with 'you should be ashamed of yourselves'. He only wishes to harangue. So could we please move on. To that end, I would like to discuss a point made earlier. Someone said that there was a rule that first years could not be on the house Quidditch teams and that Harry had to have special permission to be on Gryffindor's. But I believe that the rule was about his having his own broom, not about his being on the team. Am I right? Margaret From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:47:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch and First Years Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C785 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Quidditch and First Years Reply To: [Yahoo! #784] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:47 pm (ET) I concur and I apologize for it. I'm as responsible as anyone for engaging him in further discussion. It is clear that when he started, he hadn't read the books at all. Now he has read a bit and gotten out of it exactly what he wanted. There's nothing more to be done for him. First years are not allowed to own brooms but they did get flying lessons very early using school brooms. There was a mention, wasn't there in Prisoner, that Harry might have to compete on an old school broom if he couldn't get a replacement for the Nimbus? I see the whole thing as being like cars and highschoolers. You give them driver's education before you let them have cars and you certainly don't let someone who hasn't been through the training on the school drag racing team. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:49:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: First Years on Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C786 From: plinsenmayer Subject: First Years on Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #784] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:49 pm (ET) Hi: I think that first years were forbidden both from having their own brooms and from playing on their House Quidditch teams. There was definitely a rule against owning their own broomsticks -- it explicitly said that in their course materials list. And, Malfoy was trying to get Harry into trouble with that one when he recognized that Harry had received a broomstick. As for Quidditch teams -- when McGonagall introduced Harry to Wood and told him she'd found him a Seeker, didn't she also tell them that she would talk to Dumbledore about bending the rule against 1st years playing Quidditch? Yes, I just checked -- pg 152. She actually refers to it as the "first-years rule" but I think it's implied that it has more to do with first years not being allowed to play (rather than the ban on their own broomsticks). Penny From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:50:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:50:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C787 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #784] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:50 pm (ET) I think you are probably right, I know that Draco Malfoy mentions that "I don't see why first years can't have their own [broom]" (Diagon Alley chapter) I guess they just don't want the kids to hurt themselves since they haven't had teaching on it (from an expert like Madam Hooch). And when Malfoy does mention at the start of the Midnight Duel Chapter that "it's a shame about first years never getting on the house Quidditch teams" I guess both rules just seem to go hand in hand then. I guess like you said, its more because they're not allowed to possess their own broom yet that makes it very difficult to get on the team. =) From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:51:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:51:00 -0500 Subject: Harry Potter books banned Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C788 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Harry Potter books banned Reply To: [Yahoo! #784] Re: Harry Potter books banned Date: 3/30/00 1:51 pm (ET) I think you are probably right, I know that Draco Malfoy mentions that "I don't see why first years can't have their own [broom]" (Diagon Alley chapter) I guess they just don't want the kids to hurt themselves since they haven't had teaching on it (from an expert like Madam Hooch). And when Malfoy does mention at the start of the Midnight Duel Chapter that "it's a shame about first years never getting on the house Quidditch teams" I think both just seem to go hand in hand then. I guess like you said, its more because they're not allowed to possess their own broom yet that makes it very difficult to get on the team. =) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 18:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:53:00 -0500 Subject: Quidditch and First Years Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C789 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Quidditch and First Years Reply To: [Yahoo! #785] Quidditch and First Years Date: 3/30/00 1:53 pm (ET) <I concur and I apologize for it. I'm as responsible as anyone for engaging him in further discussion. It is clear that when he started, he hadn't read the books at all. Now he has read a bit and gotten out of it exactly what he wanted. There's nothing more to be done for him> Yep -- I am guilty also. I mistakenly thought his apology note the other night was sincere and that he really did want to understand our love for these books. Oh well. Let's do all agree to just ignore him from here on out. Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:13:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:13:00 -0500 Subject: Chat anyone? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C790 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Chat anyone? Date: 3/30/00 2:13 pm (ET) Wow, This is the most rapid fire set of exchanges I've seen in this group. We have at least three or four of us on-line at the moment. Anyone for a chat? From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:32:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C791 From: darwinnyc Subject: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:32 pm (ET) Since, by my calculations, it's another seventeen years before the next HP book comes out, I decided to keep myself occupied with OTHER children's books. I'm so glad there's a Barnes & Noble across the street for me to bop into for my lunch hour. Anyway, I started the newest Ramona book - pity they're so short, I'm already almost done. Anybody got any other recommendations? From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:36:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:36:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C792 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #791] Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:36 pm (ET) Consider the Golden Compass by (I think) Phillip Pullman. I just finished it and enjoyed it. Its a long one by comparison to Ramona and ... I discovered to my dismay... the first of a group. I'm just starting "I capture the castle" by Dodie Smith. I'll let you know what I think when I finish it. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:38:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:38:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C793 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #791] Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:38 pm (ET) Hey you! I just bought 4 books by Roald Dahl - Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, The Witches, and Matilda. I'd read the Chocolate Factory when I was a kid, and it's still as delightful now. From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:39:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C794 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #793] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:39 pm (ET) Hey, where are you? Doesn't say you're on right now! D'OH! I'd completely forgotten. I don't need recommendations at the moment, I'm gonna do some Dahl next. Yes yes yes. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:42:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:42:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C795 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #794] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:42 pm (ET) In case the rest of you haven't realized by now, Darwin & I actually know each other. We've performed together in children's plays here in NYC. Not that it's essential for your existence to know this; just sharing a tidbit of info. : ) From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:42:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:42:00 -0500 Subject: Oh, yeah. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C796 From: darwinnyc Subject: Oh, yeah. Date: 3/30/00 2:42 pm (ET) Forgot to ask this before, forgive me if it's been discussed already. Who do y'all think is going to die in the fourth book? Dumbledore is my guess. . . From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:45:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:45:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C797 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #792] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:45 pm (ET) <I'm just starting "I capture the castle" by Dodie Smith. I'll let you know what I think when I finish it.> Just received that one myself in yesterday's mail. I will likewise let everyone know what I think when I'm done. Is there still a regular chat time with this group? I've never participated but would be interested. Penny From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:45:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:45:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C798 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #795] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 2:45 pm (ET) Huh? Children's plays? You must be confusing me with someone else. I only perform in high quality mainstage productions. Oh, by the way, don't try to e-mail me at the moment, I ain't at my desk. :^P From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 19:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:47:00 -0500 Subject: Oh, yeah. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C799 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Oh, yeah. Reply To: [Yahoo! #796] Oh, yeah. Date: 3/30/00 2:47 pm (ET) I think Dumbledore will be around until Book 7. Dumbledore will continue to give Harry the tools and the guidance he needs to thwart Voldemort. But, at some point, Harry will have to go it alone, and I think that will happen in the last book. My guess for the death "the reader will care about" in Book 4: one of the Weasley twins. Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 20:05:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:05:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C800 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #797] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 3:05 pm (ET) Per the Calendar - Friday night from 9:00 PM till 12:00 AM is the regular chat time. It doesn't say what timezone. I'll be there part of the time. (That should scare everyone off.) I've had mixed luck with club chats. Generally I prefer Messenger conferences. Penny, you ought to get Yahoo Messenger. The price is right; $0.00. And I have a Harry Potter "skin" you guys can have if you want it. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 20:51:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C801 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #800] Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 3:51 pm (ET) <Penny, you ought to get Yahoo Messenger. The price is right; $0.00.> I assume going to yahoo.com, it will be self-explanatory? I can't make it this Friday or not until late if at all. But, I'll get set up so I can join in next Friday. <And I have a Harry Potter "skin" you guys can have if you want it.> A what? :--) Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 20:56:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:56:00 -0500 Subject: Article for Oz fans Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C802 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Article for Oz fans Date: 3/30/00 3:56 pm (ET) Hi: There's a good article in this month's Civilization magazine on Oz, Baum and the exhibit on the same opening at the Library of Congress in late April. It starts out "Long before Harry Potter, another wizard held thrall" -- which of course caught my eye. <g> In that same issue, there's also an interesting critique of a book written about America's religious fundamentalists (titled "Serving the Word: Literalism in America from the Pulpit to the Bench"). :--) Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 21:05:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C803 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #801] Re: Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 4:05 pm (ET) There are certain things you can adjust about Messenger to change its appearance. A set of these is called a skin. Mine is set up with Golden Snitchs to tell me when someone is on line or not, some appropriate buttons and the background is the cover to Sorcerer's Stone. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 21:41:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:41:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C804 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #800] Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 4:41 pm (ET) For those of us who are uninitiated. . . well o.k. for me whose never been in an internet chat of any kind or a messenger conference: how do they work and is there something I need to do/setup, etc. beforehand. I visit two sites daily: this one and a messeger board for a horse rescue organization I'm involved with. Other than that, I've mostly used it to research places to stay and see when my group (4 HP fans and 1 stubborn spouse) goes to London and Scotland later this year. So this is all new to me. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 22:14:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:14:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C805 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #803] Re: Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 5:14 pm (ET) <There are certain things you can adjust about Messenger to change its appearance. A set of these is called a skin. Mine is set up with Golden Snitchs to tell me when someone is on line or not, some appropriate buttons and the background is the cover to Sorcerer's Stone.> Cool -- can you send it to me? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 22:20:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:20:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C806 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #804] Re: Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 5:20 pm (ET) <For those of us who are uninitiated. . . well o.k. for me whose never been in an internet chat of any kind or a messenger conference: how do they work and is there something I need to do/setup, etc. beforehand.> I too have never done any internet chats. I belong to several HP and other listserves and visit this message board. No chat experience though -- so a tutorial could be in order from one of our more experienced members. <Other than that, I've mostly used it to research places to stay and see when my group (4 HP fans and 1 stubborn spouse) goes to London and Scotland later this year. So this is all new to me.> Hey, Sarvalsha -- my stubborn spouse and I are going to London & Scotland for 2 weeks in late April. HP inspired our trip (from my perspective anyway!). Lucky you that you'll have other HP friends in tow, rather than just your stubborn spouse. Mine is currently plodding through Chamber at my insistence. He liked Sorcerer's Stone but is really not much of a reader. I maintain that he is just feigning disinterest in HP to annoy me! Anyway, I'm hoping for a JKR sighting in Edinburgh. And, hoping I might spot some unique HP collectibles. <g> Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 22:51:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:51:00 -0500 Subject: Messenger and Chats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C807 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Messenger and Chats Reply To: [Yahoo! #804] Re: Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 5:51 pm (ET) They're really pretty straight forward. To enter a Harry Potter for Grown-ups chat, just click on the word "Chat" on the left of the screen. (Home : Messages : Photos : Chat) That will start the chat application. You'll be able to see what everyone else is typing in the main section of the window. A smaller window near the bottom is for what you want to say. Type it in, press Enter and your words will appear in the main window behind your Handle. It will look something like this... Skimmel_98 : Yes. But Hufflepuff has never won the Quidditch cup. Its only been Gryffindor and Slytherin. Sarvalsha : Only because Slytherin cheats. Norevoli : We don't know that Slytherin actually cheats. They take every advantage of the rules. Yahoo Messenger (get it by clicking this link : http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ) its sort of like a minibrowser. If you have set up a "My Yahoo" account it will show up portions of that whenever you have the application open. The first window is the "Friends" list. If you have a friend who is currently running Messenger you'll see it on the screen. Click on their handle and you can send them a message that will pop-up on their screen instantly. Then the two of you can chat back and forth in "real time." You can add others to the chat but that's a little more complicated. There's another way to try it out. On the top of the screen for the club there's a section labelled "Online now." These are Messenger users who have the progam turned on. If you click on one of them, say Skimmel_98, a new window will open that will allow you to send an "Instant Message" to one of those. In this case, me. After you send your message, another window will pop open. That's the Messenger "Lite." You can use that to try out the system. Give it a try with me. I only rarely bite and I've had all my shots. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 30 23:39:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:39:00 -0500 Subject: Weasley twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C808 From: melaniem68 Subject: Weasley twins Reply To: [Yahoo! #799] Re: Oh, yeah. Date: 3/30/00 6:39 pm (ET) <My guess for the death "the reader will care about" in Book 4: one of the Weasley twins.> I agree. I have heard rumors (only rumors) that it will be George, but I suspected a Weasley twin before. I'm not sure how "logical" my reasons are; they have more to do with writers' tricks. Though I see the twins as strong characters, I have yet to see anything to set them apart from each other, to make them two individuals, instead of a set. For example, they both not only enjoy jokes, they enjoy the same types. Not only are both on the Gryffindor quiddich team, they even play the same position (which happens to have two and only two players per team). If someone from one of my critique groups had written a pair of twins the same way, I'd think it was a mistake, or simple sloppiness. I'd urge them to make the twins more individual. Have them enjoy different types of jokes. Have only one on the quiddich team, or at least give them different positions. Have one start dating before the other. Have them part their hair on opposite sides. Anything! But after reading all three books (so far), I see that Rowling is very deliberate, and does everything for a reason. If we don't see it in one book, we'll see it in another. I'm sure that includes the way the twins are portrayed. I suspect that something will eventually happen to break up the dynamic duo, and the death in book four may very well be it. As readers, we'll still have one twin, but probably a much more sober one. And seeing him alone will be a constant reminder of the loss. On a less depressing side note, I often wonder how Harry and the others know which twin they're dealing with, especially on the quiddich field. Or do they? Maybe most people don't, but it's just easier to call them Fred and George than, "one twin," "the other twin," or the ever-popular "Fred-or-George". What do you think? How do the rest of you picture the twins? *Exactly the same*, or is there a slight difference? For some reason I always picture George a tad stockier than Fred. This is not because of anything Rowling wrote; just my own associations with the names, I guess. Just my two sickles (I know that was a little more than two knutes). Melanie From nlpnt at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 01:22:00 2000 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:22:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C809 From: nlpnt Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #798] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 8:22 pm (ET) They're on the short side, but try the "Star Wars Jedi Apprentice" series. (WARNING- if you had a hard time picturing Obi-Wan as a young man in The Phantom Menace...well, he's 13 in these!) From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 01:32:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:32:00 -0500 Subject: To everyone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C810 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: To everyone Date: 3/30/00 8:32 pm (ET) Everyone keeps getting the wrong idea, it is not fair. I came here and expressed my concerns which were legitimate since I have always been a Bible believing Christian. But I get critizided and called a trouble maker. So you say I can't judge the books because I have only heard about them. Which is fair and reasonable. So I read some. And it did not change my mind, they were still practricing witchcraft and magic which is against the Bible. So I said so. And again I get criticized, just for not agreeing! You told me to read the books and I did, you did NOT say that I have to read the books and come to the same conclussions as you did. I know that sometimes I got a bit hotheaded and I am sorry but I get that way when something is so blatantly against what the Bible tells us! Everybody is rationalizing it but I do not think that is fair. It is CLEAR what the Bible says about witcraft and magic. Yes the Bible says be tolerant, but it does not mean be tolerant of those who practice witchcraft!!! That would be like saying, oh, the Bible says be tolerant, so we should tolerate that murderer. But now everyone is saying oh just ignore him, let's not discuss this. That is not fair. I have not said anything that was not resonable. From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 01:51:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:51:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C811 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #798] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 8:51 pm (ET) OK - have to put my ideas in here - being English, and having grown up with Dahl (try Georges Marvelous Medicine - if it hasn't been banned lately for making kids want to try to poison people!). I also used to love anything by Enid Blyton. OK - I was a "girly" girl - her boarding school stories, but I also LOVED the "famous five" and "Secret Seven" books - and since there's so many of them, they were definately a favorite. By the way does anyone know where I might be able to get Enid Blyton books over here? I could only bring over two suitcases when I came here, and since then have not been able to move my huge chilhood book collection from my parents attic... From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 01:59:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: Regular Chat Time Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C812 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Regular Chat Time Reply To: [Yahoo! #806] Re: Regular Chat Time Date: 3/30/00 8:59 pm (ET) Well he's not technically my spouse. Although there has been a running joke about being part of his harem (the group is made of 4 women and the one stubborn spouse). We are also hoping for a JK sighting in Edinburgh. Let me know if you accomplish it so I'll know where to look. I did see somewhere that the cafe where she wrote the first book was called Nicholson's Cafe and I did actually try to look it up in the Edinburgh yellow pages online but didn't find a listing. Margaret From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 02:04:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:04:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C813 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #811] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 9:04 pm (ET) One of my favorite children's books is Mr. Popper's Penguins. Anybody else know it? The best source for books of all kinds is amazon.com. I searched for Enid Blyton on their site and there seemed to be a long list. Otherwise try Borders and Barnes and Nobles. I call Borders 'that bad place' because I always seem to spend so much money there. But for the best selection, you can't beat Amazon. Margaret From mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 02:07:00 2000 From: mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com (mr_beckhorn at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:07:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C814 From: mr_beckhorn Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #813] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/30/00 9:07 pm (ET) Great book!!!!!!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 02:32:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:32:00 -0500 Subject: Weasley twins Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C815 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Weasley twins Reply To: [Yahoo! #808] Weasley twins Date: 3/30/00 9:32 pm (ET) Hi: I agree with your perception of the Weasley twins being a unit rather than 2 individuals. They never seem to be without each other. My impression is that Fred is slightly more distant than George. George seems to show a bit more emotion than Fred (maybe it's my imagination). I think I picture them as being identical twins so I don't think of one as being thinner than the other. <I often wonder how Harry and the others know which twin they're dealing with, especially on the quiddich field. Or do they?> I think there must be difficulty -- didn't the twins' friend Lee Jordan even have trouble making out which twin was which for his commentary of the Quidditch matches? But, Harry does seem to know which one is which, for the most part. I will be sad if one of them dies (but overall less sad than if the Book 4 death turned out to be Ron or Hermione). But, you're right Melanie -- we'll still have one of the twins (just a less exuberant one). Unrelated note: I wonder if Percy will appear much (or at all) in Book 4. You know who I will *definitely* miss in Book 4 is Oliver Wood!! I always liked his big-hearted emotionalism and enthusiasm. Maybe he will have a minor role in one of the later books. Hate to think he's gone for good. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 13:02:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:02:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C816 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #813] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/31/00 8:02 am (ET) <<One of my favorite children's books is Mr. Popper's Penguins. Anybody else know it?>> I was in third grade when Mr. Popper's Penguins was read to us in English class. I remember at the time that we were all thinking that we were all getting rather too old to be read to, but we LOVED that story. I can't quite remember the whole story, but I do remember always looking forward to going to class! From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 16:39:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:39:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C817 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #816] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/31/00 11:39 am (ET) I'm not sure I've ever heard (or read) Mr. Popper's Penguins, but speaking of reading aloud in the third grade... That's when my teacher read us A Wrinkle in Time (and when I started liking her). LOVE that book, and definitely recommend it to HP fans. As well as the 3 companion books (make sure to read them in the correct chronological order - it makes more sense... A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door, Many Waters, and A Swiftly Tilting Planet). Hrm.... the Dahl books are good (don't forget The BFG, although I think Matilda is my fave), I have all but the last OZ books, and um.............. (I'm a big collector of children's literature - but mostly I have a lot of Alcott and L.M. Montgomery. Now that I have a little girl of my own, I've been collecting all the books I loved when I was young to let her read later.) It seems to me that I'm forgetting a particular book that I think all of you would absolutely love, but.... darnit! It just won't come to mind. If I remember it, I'll let you know. Jen (and future HP fan Ginger) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 16:44:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:44:00 -0500 Subject: Tonight's chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C818 From: jenP_97 Subject: Tonight's chat Date: 3/31/00 11:44 am (ET) Darnit! It seems that every time i remember that this club has a chat (and oh, do I love chats - met my husband on one in college), I can't go! Tonight, my father-in-law is coming for a visit (from Indiana - we live in California), and of course, it wouldn't be very polite of me to sit in a corner of the room not paying attention and laughing to myself. SHOOT! By the way, someone asked before, but I didn't see an answer - are the chat times eastern time or pacific or what? Cuz if they're eastern, I MIGHT be able to make it for a few minutes, but..... Anyway, sorry to gripe. Please, though, if you have an answer to the time zone question, post it as soon as possible, because I'd like to be there (even for a little bit) tonight! Jen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 16:52:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C819 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #817] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/31/00 11:52 am (ET) I don't think I ever realized that there were companion books to Wrinkle - which I can't even BEGIN to tell you how often I've read! Wonderful story! So how old is your daughter? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 18:27:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:27:00 -0500 Subject: Tonight's chat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C820 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Tonight's chat Reply To: [Yahoo! #818] Tonight's chat Date: 3/31/00 1:27 pm (ET) <By the way, someone asked before, but I didn't see an answer - are the chat times eastern time or pacific or what? Cuz if they're eastern, I MIGHT be able to make it for a few minutes, but.....> I believe they're Eastern. I put tonight's on my Yahoo calendar, and it converted it to Pacific for me. But that means I can't go. I work until 9:00, which is when it ends. I work at a call center, and can "surf" the net when it's slow, but I have to put aside what I'm doing if a call comes it. That's bad enough if I'm in the middle of writing a message, and lose my train of thought, but it would be really unfair in real time. Oh well, I can only hope for earlier hours someday. Melanie From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 18:48:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:48:00 -0500 Subject: Other kiddie books Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C821 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Other kiddie books Reply To: [Yahoo! #819] Re: Other kiddie books Date: 3/31/00 1:48 pm (ET) <So how old is your daughter?> She's almost 13 months. See, still young enough to be counting in months. Hahaha. Walking around and getting bored when we're stuck in her Daddy's office waiting for him to finish class. Like now. At least she has a great big box of stuff to play with on the floor. (ps. still haven't remembered that darn book yet) Jen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 19:07:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:07:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C822 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 2:07 pm (ET) Forgive me if we've already discussed this, but how and why did everybody else stumble on to Harry Potter? I recently posted my story, but I'd love to know how everyone else discovered these marvelous books. Especially those of you who DON'T have children. Any takers? From b_drey at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 19:38:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:38:00 -0500 Subject: Chats Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C823 From: b_drey Subject: Chats Reply To: [Yahoo! #820] Re: Tonight's chat Date: 3/31/00 2:38 pm (ET) Just a reminder to all you chatters. You don't have to wait for the scheduled Friday chat - you can set up a chat at any time - whether scheduled or spontaneous! Also, if you'd like the scheduled chat on another day or at another time, or alternating days/times, just let me know. Finally, my husband gave me the 1st Harry Potter book several years ago - he heard about it on NPR and knew that I would like it. Smart man. Barbara From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 19:53:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:53:00 -0500 Subject: Discovery of HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C824 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Discovery of HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #822] So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 2:53 pm (ET) I don't think this has been discussed yet Voicelady and I too am curious how others *found* the Harry books. My sister is a 3rd grade teacher and had asked for them for Christmas. My book club had also discussed possibly reading the first one, although now so many of us have read them on our own that we probably won't ever do it as a group. So, anyway, when I was buying my sister's set through bn.com, I discovered that they were like $9 each. Decided that at that price I could buy myself a set "just to see what all the fuss was about." I had, of course, noticed their presence on the NY Times Bestseller list for ages. I really knew virtually nothing about what they were about when I bought them. And, fantasy fiction has never been my genre of choice, so I'm horrified to say that I am not sure I *would* have bought them had I known more about the subject matter. Yikes! Now I can't imagine life without my HP books!! So, this brings me to another subthread . . . for those of us who didn't grow up reading L'Engle, Dahl, Tolkien, etc., how do these authors compare with the HP books? Are people taken with HP because it's the current rage but they really think some of these other fantasy authors are better? Or, are the HP books a cut above the rest? Is anyone else on any other book/author-related listserves or message boards? I've been on various Laura Ingalls Wilder lists for years now. Penny From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 20:02:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:02:00 -0500 Subject: How I stumbled onto Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C825 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: How I stumbled onto Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #822] So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 3:02 pm (ET) I'll take up the thread. I did a lot of travelling last year and consumed mass quantities of books. I read an article about what a big phenomenon these Potter books in an inflight magazine and so the next time I was stateside I went to the library and asked if they had any of the Henry Potter books. The librarian explained to me that it was Harry Potter and that there was a waiting list nearly a year long to check one out. That was the longest list I'd ever heard of so I decided to shell out the money and buy a copy. Normally on a transatlantic flight, you try to sleep as much as you can but on this one I read Sorcerer's Stone straight through. A delightful book. Upon arrival in Moscow, I gave the book to a friend of mine there. He's also an engineer and he found it delightful as well. Our conversations tend to make a lot of references to muggles and such. As soon as I got back to the states I bought another copy and read it again. Then I started reading it to my 9 year old at bed time who had somehow never read the books before. I guess I'm a hard person to buy presents for because my family jumped at the chance to buy the next two books for me for Christmas. I took my time reading them... it was slightly after New Years Day before I had finished both of them. Just last night I finished reading Prisoner of Azkaban to Ariel. It was a tearful event. She pronounced to me that she couldn't wait until July for the next one. So in my case, I introduced Harry Potter to the family and my child in particular. From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 20:29:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:29:00 -0500 Subject: How I stumbled onto Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C826 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: How I stumbled onto Harry Potter Reply To: [Yahoo! #825] How I stumbled onto Harry Potter Date: 3/31/00 3:29 pm (ET) I found out about them because my brother liked them and I am known for "Borrowing" my brothers books Hey, that remindes me, another recomended book is the Borrowers Meg From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 20:50:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:50:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C827 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #822] So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 3:50 pm (ET) Actually, what happened was, this quirky little young lady with a heart of gold, whom I had met whilst performing with a repertory company here in Manhattan, recommended the books to me. Then my twin brother bought me all three for Christmas, so I dove in. Oh - as far as HP being better or worse than, say, Dahl, I think it's pretty much an apples and oranges thing. Way different. The HP books are NOT the very best as far as fantasy goes - that honor goes to The Princess Bride by William Goldman, hands down - but it's better than a lot of the children's stuff I've read, and I've read a lot. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 21:08:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:08:00 -0500 Subject: Can it be Ron? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C828 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Can it be Ron? Date: 3/31/00 4:08 pm (ET) ITN published an article about Harry Potter (link : http://www.itn.co.uk/Entertainment/ents20000331/033102.htm ) that contains the following about book four: It will feature the Quidditch World Cup, and as has often been warned will "feature the death of a major character". Many Children tell Rowling it will be Ron - Harry's best friend. Kids have seen so many films she says, where the best mate gets it to provide a personal motivation for the hero to go after the baddy, and she hints it's a shrewd guess. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 21:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:31:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C829 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #827] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 4:31 pm (ET) Hi: Well, I saw the movie "Princess Bride" (didn't honestly know it *was* a book until you said it), and I would say, based solely on that, HP is far better than Princess Bride. But, perhaps it's one of those situations where the movie doesn't do justice to the book. <g> Not to say I didn't like the movie Princess Bride . . . but no comparison in my mind. Penny From darwinnyc at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 21:44:00 2000 From: darwinnyc at yahoo.com (darwinnyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:44:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C830 From: darwinnyc Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #829] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 4:44 pm (ET) The movie version of the Princess Bride was cute, certainly, but the book is brilliant. It's absolutely spectacular. Voicegirlie, back me up on this one, wouldya? P.S. Goldman is working on a sequel. . . From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 21:51:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:51:00 -0500 Subject: Princess Bride Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C831 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Princess Bride Reply To: [Yahoo! #830] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 4:51 pm (ET) I loved the movie and you aren't the first person to tell me that it was a wonderful book. It moves up to "Definite" status on my reading list. Rowling vs Tolkein - Tolkein greater wealth of detail and richness of the fabric. Rowling is more fun. Rowling vs Dahl - Now there's an interesting matchup. I'll have to think about that one. Rowling vs L'Engle - Rowling. No question. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:05:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:05:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C832 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #830] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 5:05 pm (ET) The book really is spectacular. Good choice of word. However, I really wouldn't call it a children's book. The humor is really intended for adults. So...I'm "quirky", am I? <BG-LOL>. I guess you could say that... From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:05:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:05:00 -0500 Subject: Princess Bride Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C833 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Princess Bride Reply To: [Yahoo! #831] Princess Bride Date: 3/31/00 5:05 pm (ET) Ah yes, The Princess Bride. Loved the movie, so went out to buy the book, and LOVED THE BOOK! So wonderful, and so much better and fuller and.... well, you know how the typical movie v book discussion ends up. Anyway, I unfortunately loaned it to an acquaintance (notice I didn't say friend - won't make that mistake again) in college, and didn't get it back. Of course, I could go buy myself another copy, but every time I end up in Border's or BN or some other bookstore, I get so caught up in looking that I never think to actually look for something in particular. I hate that. Plus, I have no money right now, so I sure am glad I pre-ordered HP4 a couple of months ago, cuz otherwise I'd be in deep trouble (next few months aren't looking too much better than now - we're both teachers, and I just wrangled my way into teaching for the summer, so maybe I could have afforded it if I hadn't already shelled out the big bucks.) Well, hope to see you tonight, although I just realized I have to clean the house before the guests arrive, and then I have to make dinner, and then .............. ah, the life of the messy, lazy slob. It sure catches up with you when you have people over, doesn't it? Jen Ps. having a baby who is a little havoc-wreaker doesn't help with the housecleaning, either. :) From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:09:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:09:00 -0500 Subject: Can it be Ron? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C834 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Can it be Ron? Reply To: [Yahoo! #828] Can it be Ron? Date: 3/31/00 5:09 pm (ET) <<Kids have seen so many films she says, where the best mate gets it to provide a personal motivation for the hero to go after the baddy, and she hints it's a shrewd guess.>> I thought I read an interview somewhere in which she guaranteed that it wouldn't be Ron, Hermione, Hagrid or Dumbledore. Is she playing with our heads, do you think? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:19:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: Oh - how I got turned on to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C835 From: jenP_97 Subject: Oh - how I got turned on to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #833] Re: Princess Bride Date: 3/31/00 5:19 pm (ET) Sheesh, I've never posted this many times in one day before! I have to admit, the first time I heard of the books was the time Rosie O'Donnel mentioned it on her show (after the first time Rowling was a guest, but before the second time). Then, I was walking through Target, and I saw Chamber on sale, so I said, "Hmm.... well, what the heck, $11 isn't that much for a hardcover book, is it?" and I bought it. And I loved it so much that when I finished reading it that evening, I bought the other two (it was the week after PoA came out) on Amazon, and then a few weeks later, I bought the british versions from amazon.co.uk. Talk about going overboard, huh? Anyway, then I bought the first one for my little sister, who liked it, to my surprise. Then I read it to my husband (and then the next two). Then I recommended it to a few of our friends, then I picked it for MY turn at our little book club we belong to. I think I mentioned earlier that everyone liked it except for the 3 English teachers there and the one really big SciFi fan, who thinks this was kind of a lame attempt. Of course, now I'm kinda changing his mind about his general opinion about the HP craze since I've been sending him articles that mention how much kids are asking for "good" literature now that there are still 4 months till number 4 comes out. Okay, I'm sure this is long enough. I have to scrub the bathtub. :) er..... :( Jen From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:19:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C836 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #822] So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 5:19 pm (ET) I don't have children myself but have 6 nieces and nephews from 12 years to 6 months. I heard about the books on Rosie O'Donnell's show and wanted to give the first one to one of my nephews. His mom suggested I read it first because of the subject matter. Needless to say, he got another copy; he certainly wasn't getting MINE! By the way, did anyone see the Oprah show where she had a little piece on HP? Someone insisted they were so huge that she had to mention them but they couldn't be a book club selection because 'I don't read children's books'. I wanted to tell her perhaps she should lighten up and try one. Margaret From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:28:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:28:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C837 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #836] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 5:28 pm (ET) So Oprah doesn't read children's books? That surprises me; I would have thought she'd be one of the first to jump on the Harry bandwagon. From sarvalsha at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:40:00 2000 From: sarvalsha at yahoo.com (sarvalsha at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:40:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C838 From: sarvalsha Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #837] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 5:40 pm (ET) No, that was definitely Rosie. Was she the first one to have J.K. on TV here in the States? Margaret From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 22:56:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:56:00 -0500 Subject: So here is a new thread...I think Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C839 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: So here is a new thread...I think Reply To: [Yahoo! #838] Re: So here is a new thread...I think Date: 3/31/00 5:56 pm (ET) I'm almost positive she was the first. That tidbit about Oprah definitely cost her a few points in my book, though. So if anyone sees this, I think I'm going to head into the chat room. I tend to fade after 9:00 at night! From arawa_99 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 31 23:09:00 2000 From: arawa_99 at yahoo.com (arawa_99 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:09:00 -0500 Subject: Oh - how I got turned on to HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C840 From: arawa_99 Subject: Re: Oh - how I got turned on to HP Reply To: [Yahoo! #835] Oh - how I got turned on to HP Date: 3/31/00 6:09 pm (ET) OK - here goes.... When my Mum was over fron England (home) this last fall, we were in a book store together (you can tell this runs in families, my mum prefers to shop for books than clothes!), and she saw the Harry Potter display. She mentioned that it was THE big hit in the UK, and she'd heard they were really good - she works in a school for kids with severe disabilities, and the teacher of her calss had read some aloud to the kids (great reaction by the way)... We passed by the display and carried on looking. So, this year, when I was looking for things to read on the plane on my way over to see my family. I saw the books again and thought it was worth a try. Well, by the time we landed in London, I was hooked - I stopped on the way back to the house and picked up the remaining two! Been hooked ever since... wow, I've just found a way to make a short story really long!