From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 1 15:06:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: Vancouver / Time Travel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1176 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Vancouver / Time Travel Reply To: [Yahoo! #1174] Vancouver / Time Travel Date: 5/1/00 11:06 am (ET) I'm not sure how I'd react (imo) if I met me coming back in time. Possibly, I'd just chalk it up to my impending nervous breakdown (any day now!) and not think another thought about it. But! Speaking of the third book and time travel (and the fact that all time-related events have already happened and are already part of the story line), I just love reading the sections that hint at time travel before you get to the part that explains what Hermione's been doing. Does that make sense? For instance, here's my favorite "team" of events. HR&H have just come down the stairs into the entrance hall under the invisibility cloak. They hear a last pair of feet and a door slam. They proceed to Hagrid's house to comfort him on the loss of Buckbeak. Part #2. H&H have magically appeared in the entrance hall after using the time-turner. They run across the hall to a broom closet, slam the door, then Hermione hears the past HR&H under the cloak going to Hagrid's. It doesn't seem like much, but I LOVE that! It's just so subtle - although I do love the part where Harry realizes it's himself he's seeing... Anyway, now, back to my regularly scheduled dive into insanity... Jen From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon May 1 16:20:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:20:00 -0400 Subject: Time Travel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1177 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Time Travel Reply To: [Yahoo! #1176] Re: Vancouver / Time Travel Date: 5/1/00 12:20 pm (ET) All authors of time travel stories must have worked out an answer to the Grandfather Paradox. To summarize for those unfamiliar with the term: Suppose you went back in time to visit your grandfather when he was a young boy. Suppose further that you killed him. Because he is a young boy, your father would never have existed and hence you would have never existed. Because you never existed, you couldn't have travelled back in time in the first place. Science Fiction writers have three general solutions to the Grandfather Paradox. Solution #1) You can not interact with the past. When you are there you are a phantom who can only observe. So you couldn't have killed your grandfather. Solution #2) Alternate realities or parallel universes. You can kill your grandfather but it triggers the beginning of an alternate universe in which you don't exist. Solution #3 (and the one preferred by physicists) You can only travel forward in time. The past is immutable and unchanging. The fourth solution is to ignore the problem completely by saying, "OK. Its impossible but that isn't as much fun so we're going to do it anyway." My greatest fear relative to Harry Potter is that it is really a giant time travel story. Consider what a cheap answer it would be if the reason Voldemort couldn't kill Harry is because Harry is his grandfather. From lisavision at yahoo.com Mon May 1 18:38:00 2000 From: lisavision at yahoo.com (lisavision at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:38:00 -0400 Subject: Time Travel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1178 From: lisavision Subject: Re: Time Travel Reply To: [Yahoo! #1177] Time Travel Date: 5/1/00 2:38 pm (ET) rememeber dumbledore said that voldemort was the last ancestor of slytherin? or something of that nature - perhaps you are right, skimmel - maybe its just one massive time travel. ooh scary thought. From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 1 23:14:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:14:00 -0400 Subject: Arawa? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1179 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Arawa? Date: 5/1/00 7:14 pm (ET) What happened to: Give me a couple more hours OK, as I'm having a pretty bad day and won't have time to sit down until this evening. Darwin, don't worry, it just extends the story and throws a few twists in - something any good story must have... Anyway, I'll post the next installment sometime overnight... From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 2 01:51:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:51:00 -0400 Subject: Time Travel Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1180 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Time Travel Reply To: [Yahoo! #1178] Re: Time Travel Date: 5/1/00 9:51 pm (ET) I think its more creative than just having Harry be Voldemort. It appears that James Potter and Professor Snape share the same roles as Harry Potter and Draco Malfoy. It also appears that a younger boy (Colin Creevy) is highly interested in Harry just like Peter Pettigrew (ie. Scabbers) was interested in James Potter and Sirius Black. I think this Colin Creevy character will interact with Harry more in future books and eventually spell trouble for him. Hermione seems destined to become a teacher at Hogwarts similar to Professor McGonagall. I also think this Neville Longbottom is an important character in the future because he just keeps hanging around in the stories like Scabbers did for no real reason until Rowling is ready to spring her new surprise. It appears that any character ( no matter how insignificant) will become important at some future time. She wants you to become comfortable with a character, so she can surprise you later. I think the story of Dumbledore will have to be told at some point. He seems to know what is going to happen. I think he may be the link to time travel if some link does exist. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Tue May 2 03:17:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 23:17:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1181 From: christineoswell Subject: Puzzle #6 Date: 5/1/00 11:17 pm (ET) Ok, for something we haven't tried yet, an anagram! These don't make too much sense, but it's the best my rainsoaked mind could come up with... These are all characters, first and last names. Same deal as before, email your answers to christine at oswell.com 1. LABOURS BEMUDDLE 2. UNDER SAULTY PIE 3. ELF SEW DEARY From smitster1 at yahoo.com Tue May 2 07:03:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 03:03:00 -0400 Subject: Pages & Ages Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1182 From: smitster1 Subject: Pages & Ages Date: 5/2/00 3:03 am (ET) I had to go check on that 700 pages for book four thing. Amazon UK says 640 pages. Hopefully more. But Amazon US says ages 9-12. I'm offended. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 2 20:53:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1183 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Puzzle #6 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1181] Puzzle #6 Date: 5/2/00 4:53 pm (ET) 1. Albous Dumbledore 2. Petunia Dursley 3. Fred Weasley From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 2 23:52:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1184 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Puzzle #6 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1183] Re: Puzzle #6 Date: 5/2/00 7:52 pm (ET) Sorry. Professor Snape slipped me a "stupid" potion and I accidently sent my reponse as a reply instead of an email. That's really a "muggle" thing to do. Please don't banish me to Azkaban! By the way, "What 1970's pop tune was Remus Lupin's favorite song?" (answer below) Answer: Wearwolves of London From christineoswell at yahoo.com Wed May 3 05:20:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 01:20:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #6 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1185 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Puzzle #6 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1184] Re: Puzzle #6 Date: 5/3/00 1:20 am (ET) Well, I guess we have a winner! LOL Estesrandy, that means you are up next! From lisavision at yahoo.com Wed May 3 17:27:00 2000 From: lisavision at yahoo.com (lisavision at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 13:27:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1186 From: lisavision Subject: picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 1:27 pm (ET) hi all I would be honoured if you would take a look at my picture in the photo album - it's of the weasley family. Its quite a big picture so you'll have to scroll to look at all of it. Its in B_Dreys album under photos. thanks tell me what u think... lisa From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 18:03:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1187 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1186] picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 2:03 pm (ET) Looks good. I especially liked the rabbit ears and the tongue sticking out; those add character. But where are Arthur and Molly? Or were they behind the camera? :) Melanie From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 18:14:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1188 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1186] picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 2:14 pm (ET) Very cute! Hey everybody - where's the story?!? From sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 23:05:00 2000 From: sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com (sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:05:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1189 From: sweetandsour6453 Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1188] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 7:05 pm (ET) Love the pictures...but just out of curioustity did the book ever describe hermoine? I have this picture of her in my head but i don't know how she is described. Tell me if you know. My picture is sorta like Ginny in your drawing except with Blonde hair...anybody know? Kim From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Thu May 4 01:20:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:20:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1190 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1189] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 9:20 pm (ET) The first book says she has bushy brown hair, and rather large front teeth. I think she also has brown eyes, but I'm not entirely sure. From norevoli at yahoo.com Thu May 4 01:55:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 21:55:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1191 From: norevoli Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1189] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 9:55 pm (ET) ginny's got bushy brown hair, brown eyes and I believe JKR mentions large front teeth.... From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Thu May 4 02:08:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1192 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1191] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/3/00 10:08 pm (ET) Ginny? No... Ginny has red hair. From lisavision at yahoo.com Thu May 4 08:37:00 2000 From: lisavision at yahoo.com (lisavision at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:37:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1193 From: lisavision Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1192] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/4/00 4:37 am (ET) hi all if u have any drawings that you have done, then add them in! and btw, its hermione that has bushy brown hair and big front teeth. ginny has straight orange hair - thats all we know I think. I tried to be accurate! I'm going to add another photo in now - go see who it is! I hope you like it. lisa From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu May 4 09:34:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 05:34:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1194 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1193] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/4/00 5:34 am (ET) <ginny has straight orange hair - thats all we know I think.> We know she's a redhead, but do we know it's straight? I always picture it very curly (like the WB's Felicity before she cut her hair). Melanie From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Thu May 4 12:02:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:02:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1195 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1194] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/4/00 8:02 am (ET) I picture Ginny as looking similar to an older version of my daughter as she has light red hair, blue eyes, and freckles, *and* her (nick)name is also Ginny! :) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu May 4 16:40:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:40:00 -0400 Subject: picture in photo album Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1196 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: picture in photo album Reply To: [Yahoo! #1195] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/4/00 12:40 pm (ET) Well, I went through the books, and Ginny has "flaming red hair" and brown eyes ("Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap." page 40, CoS, American Version). I looked, but I couldn't find any other Weasley eye color - of course, I didn't look very hard, either. Jen ps. I love the pictures. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri May 5 02:40:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:40:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #7 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1197 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Puzzle #7 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1185] Re: Puzzle #6 Date: 5/4/00 10:40 pm (ET) Puzzle # 7 Extremely trivial trivia 1. What is Harry's wand made from? 2. Who is Griphook, and where did Harry meet him? 3. Where can you go to get Dungbombs and Frog Spawn Soap? 4. What did Ginny Weasley almost forget on her first trip to Hogwarts? Hint: She ran back into her house to get it before they left for the train station. 5. Where did Harry meet Stan Shunpike? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Fri May 5 08:51:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 04:51:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #7 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1198 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Puzzle #7 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1197] Re: Puzzle #7 Date: 5/5/00 4:51 am (ET) I'm afraid I didn't know where to mail the answers to puzzle 7, but here's what I have. I'll add "spoiler space" for the benefit of anyone else who wants to play: S P O I L E R 1. Holly and phoenix feather 2. A goblin working at Gringotts. He drove Harry and Hagrid in a cart to Harry's vault, and the one containing the Sorcorer's Stone. 3. Zonko's joke shop in Hogsmeade 4. Her diary 5. On the Knight Bus From lusterball at yahoo.com Sat May 6 02:29:00 2000 From: lusterball at yahoo.com (lusterball at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:29:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1199 From: lusterball Subject: How do I join? Date: 5/5/00 10:29 pm (ET) Is there some way to Join thios club? From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Sat May 6 03:58:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:58:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1200 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1199] How do I join? Date: 5/5/00 11:58 pm (ET) Well, first things first. My name's Darwin, I'm the club treasurer. Please send a check for your $500 membership fee, plus $75 for your first month's dues. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat May 6 12:01:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 08:01:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #7 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1201 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Puzzle #7 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1197] Re: Puzzle #7 Date: 5/6/00 8:01 am (ET) Sorry, I forgot to list this. My email address is estesrandy at yahoo.com Send answers to Puzzle #7 to my email adress. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat May 6 12:09:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 08:09:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1202 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1200] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 8:09 am (ET) You forgot to mention the secret club decoder ring and the pair of X-ray glasses. Just send in $200 and 3 cereal boxtops to the Dumbledore for President Committee. Offer void in Kansas for some reason which nobody seems to know. If you act now, you will receive an autographed copy of Gilderoy Lockhart's "Magical Me". From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat May 6 15:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 11:28:00 -0400 Subject: Ginny's Appearance Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1203 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Ginny's Appearance Reply To: [Yahoo! #1196] Re: picture in photo album Date: 5/6/00 11:28 am (ET) <Well, I went through the books, and Ginny has "flaming red hair" and brown eyes ("Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap." page 40, CoS, American Version).> Interestingly, Jim Dale says she has green eyes in the audio version of CoS -- which I assume means she had green eyes in an early draft and JKR changed her eye color for some reason (although she has brown eyes in the Brit version too so maybe in that case Jim Dale just said green, even though the script said brown). I am fairly sure Jim Dale is using a fairly early draft to read these audio versions though. He says Voldemort is the last remaining "ancestor" of Slytherin rather than "descendant." For those that haven't heard me elaborate on that before, it's "ancestor" in the Brit versions but changed to "descendant" in the US version. I've speculated about whether JKR intended "ancestor" and the Brit editors were asleep at the wheel or if the US editors screwed something up by changing it. Yes, Skimmel, that whole ancestor/descendant thing has concerned me that it's somehow a time travel deal. But, I don't *really* think that's the deal. Penny (who's finally back from a 2 week vacation to England & Scotland -- now over the jet lag I think too) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat May 6 15:37:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 11:37:00 -0400 Subject: Story?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1204 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Story?? Date: 5/6/00 11:37 am (ET) Well, as I said in my last message, I am now back and could rejoin the story writing circle, but it seems to be in limbo at the moment. Is it with Darwin still? Interesting things about my trip to the UK: 1. There is *no* barrier between Platforms 9 and 10 at King's Cross. We took the train to Edinburgh out of King's Cross and I (of course) just had to see. My husband told me I was stupid for assuming there *would* be a wall there. <g> 2. Nicolson's in Edinburgh -- where JKR allegedly began writing Stone. I was picturing a quaint coffee shop since supposedly she would go there, drink coffee and write like crazy while her infant daughter slept in the stroller (all because she couldn't afford to heat her flat). Well, it's actually a trendy hip and somewhat pricey restaurant. And, it's on the second floor of a building with no lift, which I would think would not be the most attractive place to wheel a baby carriage. Anyway, a cup of coffee there now would run a fair bit for a starving writer. I was disappointed. Speaking of being offended at the books being classified in the 9-12 category -- the HP books apparently aren't really on the official bestseller list over there so they are housed in the children's section (although you can pick up the "adult cover" versions in the main fiction sections). I like it better that in the US bookstores, HP seems to be really in the mainstream of the displays. Penny From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 6 20:51:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #8 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1205 From: melaniem68 Subject: Puzzle #8 Date: 5/6/00 4:51 pm (ET) Hello, me again. This time, I thought I'd do both a cryptogram (only one this time) and a logic puzzle. Should you decide to solve these, e-mail me with the answers, or if you are stuck, with any questions. My address is melaniem68 at yahoo.com. With each puzzle, I've provided instructions and a hint or two. Good luck. Melanie CRYPTOGRAM Below is a quote from one of the books, along with the person who said it. Each letter within the quote has been changed to a different letter. Each letter translates the same as the others of its kind (for example, if one M translates to A, all the M's are also A). HINT: Try to figure out the name of the speaker early on. Once those letters have been figured out, it will fill in quite a bit of the rest of the puzzle. OMRL SGC KGWL IMT? MDL SGC M QVJPO GD WGJ? DGW QLMYXLS LOGIC PUZZLE The introduction should be self-explanatory, as far as directions go. But here are a few hints for those unfamiliar with logic problems (and reminders for those who are). HINT: Make up a chart to keep track of what you've figured out so far. Or go high-tech and use a spreadsheet program, like Excel, Quattro Pro or Lotus. HINT: Do not make ANY assumptions beyond what's provided in the puzzle itself (e.g., which characters are more likely to date from which house, how each character is most likely to meet a boyfriend or girlfriend, etc). These assumptions may be right, but then again... HINT: Take note of gender-specific pronouns. In this puzzle, they may narrow the field. Well, here's the puzzle itself: PROM TIME, 1998 Harry and his friends, Ron and Hermione had a magical time at the 1998 Hogwarts Prom. Ron and Hermione attended together, while Harry took Ron's sister, Ginny. As the Gryffindor seventh-years (plus Ginny) left their common room for the Great Hall, the two couples noticed that they were the only ones already paired off. Their five housemates (two of whom (Lavender and Pavarti) were girls, and three of whom (Dean, Neville and Seamus) were guys) all had dates from other houses, whom they planned to meet at the dance. Two of the dates were Ravenclaws; two were Hufflepuffs; one even went with a Slytherin! Each Gryffindor had a date of the opposite sex, but the dates' names (Chris, Kelly, Pat, Robin and Sam) are gender-neutral. From the clues below, can you figure out the name and house of each Gryffindor's date, and how each one became acquainted with his/her date? 1) The five dates were: Kelly, two Ravenclaw girls, Pavarti's date, and the one who met his/her date at a Quidditch match. (Note: Each item on this list represents one person, except where otherwise noted. No two items represent the same person. The same goes for the next two clues.) 2) The two Gryffindor girls (besides Hermione and Ginny, of course) were: Pat's date, and the one who met her date the previous summer, when they both held jobs on Diagon Alley. 3) The three Gryffindor boys (other than Harry and Ron) were: Seamus, Sam's date, and the one who met his date when they were both confined to the hospital wing. 4) Lavender's date belonged to the same house as Neville's. 5) The Slytherin got to know his Gryffindor date when they were stuck in the same compartment on the Hogwarts Express. 6) Chris met her Gryffindor date when they were assigned as partners in a class project. From lusterball at yahoo.com Sun May 7 01:10:00 2000 From: lusterball at yahoo.com (lusterball at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:10:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1206 From: lusterball Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1202] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 9:10 pm (ET) what do I really do to join? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sun May 7 01:34:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:34:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1207 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1206] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 9:34 pm (ET) Since you're able to post to this club, you've already joined. On visiting, you probably clicked on the "Join this Club" link. Hope you enjoy us. Melanie From lusterball at yahoo.com Sun May 7 01:50:00 2000 From: lusterball at yahoo.com (lusterball at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:50:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1208 From: lusterball Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1207] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 9:50 pm (ET) I know that moron!!!! I am in lots of clubs, but I want to knwo if there is anything special, like if we get sorted or anything. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Sun May 7 02:11:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1209 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1208] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 10:11 pm (ET) WHOA! What's with the name calling? In case you haven't noticed this is a club for grown ups, so please act like one when you post here. Thanks. Christine From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Sun May 7 03:36:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:36:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1210 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1209] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/6/00 11:36 pm (ET) Does that mean I can't call him a big dumb stupid creepheadface? I guess I won't then. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sun May 7 05:51:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:51:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1211 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1208] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/7/00 1:51 am (ET) <I know that moron!!!! I am in lots of clubs, but I want to knwo if there is anything special, like if we get sorted or anything.> Though I could've done without the "moron" part, you ask a valid question, which I am happy to answer. Thank you for the clarification, by the way. We're pretty informal around here. A month ago, several of us went to www.harrypotterfans.net to be sorted. But aside from comparing notes on the results, we didn't *do* anything with the information. We don't compete for house points, or play online Quidditch or anything of that nature. We do have a couple of non-competitive activities, however. One is a round-robin story, which seems to be at a standstill right now. For more information on that, go to message #1087. Or, if you'd just like to read the story, check out the messages in that time period. The other is the "daily" puzzle. Every day (or thereabouts), someone posts a puzzle or set of trivia questions, along with their e-mail address. Anyone who solves the puzzle e-mails their answers to the given address. The puzzle writer chooses a winner (usually the first with the correct answers). That winner will post the next day's puzzle or trivia. If that interests you, go to the latest puzzle (right now it's on message #1205) and follow the instructions on the post. Maybe you'll get to write the next one. But mostly what were all about is plain old, ordinary discussion. As with most clubs, if you have something HP-related you'd like to talk about, just jump in. Same with if you see see something you'd like to reply to. I hope that answers your question. If not, please feel free to try again, but in a nicer way this time, okay? Thank you. Melanie From sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com Sun May 7 12:26:00 2000 From: sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com (sweetandsour6453 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 08:26:00 -0400 Subject: Whatever happened to the story? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1212 From: sweetandsour6453 Subject: Whatever happened to the story? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1211] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/7/00 8:26 am (ET) What happened? The story has been on standstil for a while! I think someone should just start it up again, because a lot of people seem to miss it. Has anything else been said recently about book 4? Any rumors or anything about what it's going to be about? I hadn't heard anything in awhile. Kimmy From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sun May 7 13:11:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 09:11:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1213 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1211] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/7/00 9:11 am (ET) 1. What is every teenage wizard's favorite song by the Police? 2. Is it true that Hufflepuffs stay crunchy even in milk? 3. What are all these people going to do when the seventh book is in print and read by the group members? Answers: 1. "Every little thing she does is Magic" 2. You bet! I'm kookoo for Hufflepuffs. 3. Psychiatric therapy may be in order. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 09:26:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 05:26:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1214 From: melaniem68 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1213] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 5:26 am (ET) <What is every teenage wizard's favorite song by the Police? "Every little thing she does is Magic"> Love those riddles! The one above brings to mind another. I'm probably showing my age, but... What is every teenaged wizard's favorite song by America? "You Can Do Magic" From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon May 8 13:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1215 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1214] Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 9:21 am (ET) <"You Can Do Magic"> We must be about the same age Melanie!! Also, I *never* know the artists of anything but what about "Do You Believe in Magic?" I bet somebody could put together a neat compilation of magic-theme pop songs. Story??? Should someone just take it up again? Voicelady, do you want to just designate someone to take up the thread again perhaps? It'd be nice to at least wrap it up if not keep it going for awhile. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 13:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1216 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1215] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 9:32 am (ET) <<Story??? Should someone just take it up again? Voicelady, do you want to just designate someone to take up the thread again perhaps? It'd be nice to at least wrap it up if not keep it going for awhile.>> Why don't you go ahead, Penny. This way, you won't really have missed your turn! (Plus, I also know that you'll do something good with the new character I created...) ;-) From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 15:35:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:35:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1217 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1215] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 11:35 am (ET) <I bet somebody could put together a neat compilation of magic-theme pop songs.> I wouldn't mind attempting that. In the five minutes since I first read your post I thought of two more: "Have to Believe We are Magic" - Olivia Newton-John "It's Magic, You Know" - artist unknown (or at least unremembered at the moment) Disclaimer: no matter how exhaustive I think the list is, I'm sure someone will come up with other songs I've forgotten or didn't know about. Melanie From christineoswell at yahoo.com Mon May 8 16:09:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1218 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1217] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 12:09 pm (ET) <Disclaimer: no matter how exhaustive I think the list is, I'm sure someone will come up with other songs I've forgotten or didn't know about.> How about Abracadabra? Was it Glen Miller or Steve Miller? I can't remember..... And then there is "A Kind of Magic" by Queen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 16:22:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1219 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1218] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 12:22 pm (ET) <<How about Abracadabra? Was it Glen Miller or Steve Miller?>> Steve! Could It Be Magic - Barry Manilow That Old Black Magic Witchy Woman From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 17:35:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Potter Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1220 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Potter Date: 5/8/00 1:35 pm (ET) Thinking about our earlier discussion of time travel, I have come up with a theory of the Harry Potter books. The theory: the books we've read are the second time through a time travel loop. The story would go something like this. (First time through the loop.) James and Lilly Potter have a son, Harry, shortly before they die in an automobile accident. Harry is raised by his Aunt and Uncle. When the time comes, he gets a letter from Hogwarts. He is helped onto platform 9 3/4 by Draco Malfoy a pleasant boy he met on Diagon alley. Draco rides with Harry to Hogwarts and tells him how wonderful Slytherin is. The sorting hat places Harry in Slytherin with his new best friend, Draco. One of Harry and Draco's little pranks involved stealing a time turner. While in Hogwarts, he meets and falls in love with Ginny Marvolo who curiously enough is the last descendent of Slytherin. Eventually they marry and have a daughter (who is now the last descendent of Slytherin). One day the daughter discovers the time turner and gets shot back about 70 years into the past. The past is changed and so the future is altered. Things will be slightly different from now on. Harry's daughter, exiled into the far past, meets and marries George Riddle and have a son, who she names Tom Riddle. Tom is now the last descendent of Salizar Slytherin. He becomes Lord Voldemort. Among the things Voldemort does is turn the Malfoys to the dark side with one consequence being that their young son, Draco, turns out rather nasty instead of the fairly pleasant he would be otherwise. Among his powers is that Voldemort can see, dimly, into the future but not at all into the past. He can see that his ultimate downfall will be caused by the Potter's newborn son, Harry, so he decides to destroy Harry soon after he is born. Voldemort seeks out Harry to eliminate the threat to his powers. He does not realize that Harry will become his grandfather. (Second time through the loop. Now we come to the cycle that sounds familiar.) Voldemort kills James and Lilly but in attacking Harry he is attacking himself. (James and Lilly have already done their bit towards producing Voldemort but Harry must grow up first.) By attacking Harry, Voldemort has changed his own past. It is a tribute to his vast powers that he survives at all because if he destroyed Harry before he grows up and gets married, he would destroy himself. Harry goes to live with the Dursley's and eventually the letter comes from Hogwarts. Harry meets Draco Malfoy at Diagon Alley but Draco is now a slimey character and he and Harry become enemies. Harry is helped through to platform 9 3/4 by the Weasleys instead of the Malfoys and on the train, Ron tells him how vile Slytherins are. When the sorting hat considers putting Harry in Slytherin, Harry begs and the hat puts him in Gryffindor instead. There he meets the love of his life, Ginny Weasley, and rescues her from Tom Riddle. Tom Riddle looks a great deal like Harry mostly because he is Harry's grandson. Eventually, with the help of his Gryffindor friends, Harry meets Voldemort for the last time and destroys him once and for all. This is a weak story line. The sort of thing rank amateurs and television writers would come up with. I would hope Rowling has enough imagination to explain everything without resorting to something like this. The biggest problem is that it seems to explain everything without introducing anything we haven't already seen. If this is what J.K. Rowling has in mind, then I'm going to organize a "I hate Harry Potter" group. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong on this one. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 17:41:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:41:00 -0400 Subject: Professors' favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1221 From: melaniem68 Subject: Professors' favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1219] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 1:41 pm (ET) I think you created a monster, estesrandy! On my way to work, I thought of a few songs the professors might like. Okay, only two are magic based, but still... Professor Trelawney's favorite by Styx: "Crystal Ball" Professor Lockhart's favorite by Carly Simon: "You're So Vain" Professor Lupin's favorite by Duran Duran: "Hungry Like the Wolf" Professor Snape's favorite, whose artist I don't remember: Love Potion #9 Melanie From pt4ever at yahoo.com Mon May 8 18:04:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: Professors' favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1222 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Professors' favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1221] Professors' favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 2:04 pm (ET) >>> Professor Lockhart's favorite by Carly Simon: "You're So Vain" >>> I was thinking more along the lines of "I Feel Pretty" from West Side Story. :) And for Madame Pomfrey: "A Spoonful of Sugar (Helps the Medicine Go Down)" from Mary Poppins. Yes, I am a musical buff. :) -- JoAnna From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 18:27:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Professors' favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1223 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Professors' favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1222] Re: Professors' favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 2:27 pm (ET) <>>> Professor Lockhart's favorite by Carly Simon: "You're So Vain" >>> I was thinking more along the lines of "I Feel Pretty" from West Side Story. :)> That's a good one, too. Or how about "I'm Too Sexy"? But then, that one may be getting a tad bit out of the 9-12 age range! Melanie From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Mon May 8 18:41:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:41:00 -0400 Subject: Professors' favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1224 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Professors' favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1222] Re: Professors' favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 2:41 pm (ET) <<<I was thinking more along the lines of "I Feel Pretty" from West Side Story. :)>>>>> Yes I like this too, although "you're so vain" made me laugh as well. Professor Lupin should be "Werewolves of London" by Warren Zevon.......much cooler Tom Riddle : "The snake" by Cherry Popin Daddys (not appropriate for the 9-12 set) cj From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 20:09:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1225 From: jenP_97 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Date: 5/8/00 4:09 pm (ET) As we're all (I believe) fans, I'm sure everyone here has heard of J.K. Rowling's intent to make Harry "grow up" as he ages, meaning that he notices girls, etc. Well, I've also read in several different places that she has said that although she'll make him more "age appropriate", she doesn't want to touch on more mature subjects, such as drug/alcohol abuse and teen pregnancy, etc. So I just got mad when I read this - obviously this reporter hasn't learned to do his research. http://www.pioneerplanet.com:80/seven-days/6/opinion/docs/017380.htm Read it and see what you think... Obviously, not written by a fan. Jen From christineoswell at yahoo.com Mon May 8 20:38:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1226 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Harry Potter growing up. Reply To: [Yahoo! #1225] Harry Potter growing up. Date: 5/8/00 4:38 pm (ET) I think it is sad that the author of that article can only associate bad choices with growing up. I'd hate for some kid to read his article and think that that's all there is to life. I think maybe he needs a reality check.... From iago_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 8 21:14:00 2000 From: iago_nyc at yahoo.com (iago_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1227 From: iago_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1208] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 5:14 pm (ET) Apparently you didn't note the title of this club. From iago_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 8 21:18:00 2000 From: iago_nyc at yahoo.com (iago_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:18:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1228 From: iago_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1210] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 5:18 pm (ET) No, you can't call him a "big dumb creepheadface", since "creepheadface" is not a word. You CAN call him a "big dumb creephead" or a "big dumb creepface", however. Also acceptable is "big dumb headface", but that's archaic and relates to religious beliefs prevalent in the Middle Ages that are currently not in vogue. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 22:13:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:13:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #8 - Winners and Answers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1229 From: melaniem68 Subject: Puzzle #8 - Winners and Answers Reply To: [Yahoo! #1205] Puzzle #8 Date: 5/8/00 6:13 pm (ET) Congratualations to Christine, who solved both the cryptogram and the logic problem, and to Penny, who solved the cryptogram. Christine will bring us Puzzle #9. Here are the answers: Cryptogram: Have you gone mad? Are you a witch or not? Ron Weasley Logic: In the form (Gryffindor - Prom date - Date's house - How they met) Lavender - Kelly - Hufflepuff - summer job on Diagon Alley Parvati - Pat - Slytherin - Hogwarts Express Dean - Robin - Ravenclaw - hospital wing Neville - Sam - Hufflepuff - Quidditch match Seamus - Chris - Ravenclaw - class project Take it away, Christine! Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 8 22:45:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: Another professor song Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1230 From: melaniem68 Subject: Another professor song Date: 5/8/00 6:45 pm (ET) For boggart-Snape, how about "Sweet Transvestite" from the Rocky Horror Picture Show? Especially if Tim Curry were to play Snape. Sorry, I just got this picture in my mind and couldn't stop laughing! Of course, this is another one that isn't for 9-12 year olds. Melanie From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 8 22:46:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1231 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Harry Potter growing up. Reply To: [Yahoo! #1225] Harry Potter growing up. Date: 5/8/00 6:46 pm (ET) I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the author wrote this article with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek. Oh, hey, howsabout Hagrid's favorite song - "Purple People Eater." From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 8 22:48:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1232 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1228] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 6:48 pm (ET) I like inventing my own words. Me and Shakespeare, two peas in a pod. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 00:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:18:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1233 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1232] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 8:18 pm (ET) You guys - you're so silly... From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 9 01:19:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:19:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1234 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1217] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 9:19 pm (ET) I'm showing my age because I remember that "Whoa, ho,ho It's Magic, You know..." was written by the Pilots. One of those "one hit wonder bands" of the 1970's. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 9 01:47:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:47:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1235 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1234] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/8/00 9:47 pm (ET) You'd think the world would've had enough of Silly "Magic" Songs? But I look around me and I see it isn't so. Oh no. 1. What is Ginny Weasley's favorite song by Heart? He's a "Magic Man" 2. What is Professor Quirrell's favorite Song? "I'm going out of my head Over You..." 3. Or maybe Professor Quirrel would prefer this song? "I've got you under my skin!" 4. By the way if Miss Piggy spends too much time with Kermit the Frog, would she be in danger of getting...? Come on, think about it..... HOGWARTS! From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Tue May 9 02:01:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:01:00 -0400 Subject: How do I join? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1236 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: How do I join? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1233] Re: How do I join? Date: 5/8/00 10:01 pm (ET) HEY! Christineoswell said NO namecalling! Geez! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 9 02:07:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:07:00 -0400 Subject: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1237 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Reply To: [Yahoo! #1220] Time travel hypothesis of Harry Potter Date: 5/8/00 10:07 pm (ET) This seems a bit much for kids to handle. But I would admit there has to be a connection between Voldemort and Harry because it hurt Voldemort so much to zap Harry. I think the author is trying to convey some deeper meanings to the readers other than the most obvious. The parallels between Draco and Snape, Harry and his father, Hermione and Professor McGonagall are trying to convey to young readers that they will grow up someday to be adults and their actions today are leading down the path to some future. I think Harry wrestles with Voldemort the way that young people wrestle with themselves about right and wrong. Rowling obviously wants to show how prejudice against others who are different is wrong (ie. the Chamber of Secrets with Muggleborns, etc..) I think she is a talented enough writer not to give us some comic book ending to these stories. Regarding the " who will die" scenarios. It seems to me that she might just break my heart and kill off Hagrid. He's my favorrrrite charrrracterrrrr, but the books would survive without him. I love reading to my son in my best impression of Sean Connery after a long night of drinking. " And doncha be gettin a big head about it either, ya big lug, or I'll zap a pig's tail on yer behind." One of my favorite threats to my sons since reading Harry Potter. Thoughts anyone? By the way, do you get the feeling that the name Draco Malfoy is another one of those cryptograms like Tom Marvolo Riddle? The name sounds kind of funny to me. I wonder if Griffindor, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff will be talked about more in the future books? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue May 9 02:24:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:24:00 -0400 Subject: How Hagrid Became a Hero -- Part IX Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1238 From: plinsenmayer Subject: How Hagrid Became a Hero -- Part IX Date: 5/8/00 10:24 pm (ET) "SHHHHH!" whispered Hermione. "Don't you people EVER do the reading?? I have an idea. . . And you Hagrid! I'm shocked that you haven't realized what those red-eyed owls *are*. They're mentioned in Chapter 23 of "The Monster Book of Monsters." "Well, I hadn't planned that far ahead see . . . and then what with the Beaky disaster and havin ter deal mainly with flobberworms for the rest of the term." He trailed off, looking somewhat abashed. Ron broke in, "Whenever you'd like to share Hermione. Or we could, you know, just stand here yammering while Norbert gets sliced up, stuffed and slathered with mint sauce." Hermione shot him a sharp look but began to explain in hushed tones. "Those owls aren't really owls at all. Asiolamia(s) -- that's what they are. They are owls who can transform into bats and then vampires at will. I'll bet Grebon is also a vampire. Certainly looks like one." She shuddered and then continued. "I didn't pay much attention when Harry and that creature stopped by to pick me up en route. If only I'd paid more attention," she murmured. She paused and then went on, "What we need is for Charlie to send several dragons for our escape. But, let me think . . . we'll need to get a *real* owl to him with a message." "Hermione . . .if we could do that," Ron began but she shushed him. "Quiet! I'm thinking! Harry . . . where do you reckon Hedwig is?" Harry nodded as he realized they were thinking the same thing. "Hedwig seemed to hate that owl that brought me the message to come to Ron here. She'd probably have followed at a safe distance and . . ." "So now all we have to do is figure out how to get one of us out of this castle and to the forest out there. Hedwig is probably out there keeping watch and we could dispatch her to Charlie," Hermione said quietly. "Hagrid . . ." Who's next Voicelady? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue May 9 02:35:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:35:00 -0400 Subject: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1239 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Reply To: [Yahoo! #1237] Re: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Date: 5/8/00 10:35 pm (ET) <By the way, do you get the feeling that the name Draco Malfoy is another one of those cryptograms like Tom Marvolo Riddle? The name sounds kind of funny to me.> Draco means dragon in Latin. And, doesn't "mal" mean bad, evil, etc. in French (and Latin I believe)? Foy, according to my dictionary, can mean journey. Dragon on a bad journey. :--) Could also be a cryptogram I suppose. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 9 03:42:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Subject: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1240 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Reply To: [Yahoo! #1239] Re: Time travel hypothesis of Harry Pott Date: 5/8/00 11:42 pm (ET) thanks for the info. By the way, I know I'm always "draggin" after a bad journey. Any idea where the name Hagrid comes from? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 03:52:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:52:00 -0400 Subject: Story sequence Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1241 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Story sequence Reply To: [Yahoo! #1238] How Hagrid Became a Hero -- Part IX Date: 5/8/00 11:52 pm (ET) <<Who's next Voicelady?>> Well, if we go by the list, Darwin has already posted, it seems as though arawa passed on her turn, and since pt4ever missed her last time, let's pick up with her and then continue on as normal from there. So you're up next pt4ever! If you've changed your mind, just post a message and then iago will continue instead. just as a reminder: voicelady Darwin plinsenmayer arawa pt4ever iago Skimmel sweetandsour Melanie Moore norevoli alohomora7 If there are any newbies out there who'd like to join in, just drop me an email at voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com and I'll add your names to our list. From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Tue May 9 11:48:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:48:00 -0400 Subject: Oooo, lookie what I found.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1242 From: quidditchfan Subject: Oooo, lookie what I found.... Date: 5/9/00 7:48 am (ET) I found a page that explains the meaning behind the characters' names in Harry Potter. Check it out here: http://www.homestead.com/harrypotter2/names.html Hagrid has a great meaning behind his name. :o) ~Karen From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 14:13:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:13:00 -0400 Subject: Teen wizard's favorite songs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1243 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1235] Re: Teen wizard's favorite songs Date: 5/9/00 10:13 am (ET) I'm surprised that no one has mentioned what would obviously be Hagrid's favorite song of all: Puff, the Magic Dragon ;-p From christineoswell at yahoo.com Tue May 9 17:35:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:35:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #9 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1244 From: christineoswell Subject: Puzzle #9 Date: 5/9/00 1:35 pm (ET) Once again I did anagrams. These are all characters from the books, their names scrambled. Email your questions and answers to Christine at Oswell.com. 1. U BIG RED RASH U 2. YON PARSNIP SANK 3. CASA GORDIN 4. NEW BLAND ROVER Good luck! From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue May 9 22:11:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:11:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1245 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Harry Potter growing up. Reply To: [Yahoo! #1225] Harry Potter growing up. Date: 5/9/00 6:11 pm (ET) The link is broken -- I guess someone was in a hurry to get rid of that article. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Tue May 9 22:48:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter growing up. Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1246 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry Potter growing up. Reply To: [Yahoo! #1245] Re: Harry Potter growing up. Date: 5/9/00 6:48 pm (ET) <The link is broken -- I guess someone was in a hurry to get rid of that article.> You didn't miss much (IMO). I thought the author completely missed the point. Wouldn't it be totally weird if the 3 main characters *didn't* grow up or change at all in 7 books? They'll be on the verge of 18 when the series ends (or when JKR's official 7 volumes ends anyway -- I still hold out hope for post-Hogwarts stories). You can't expect that the 11 yr-old character will be exactly the same 7 books later. Penny From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed May 10 02:59:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:59:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1247 From: estesrandy Subject: Dursley's House Date: 5/9/00 10:59 pm (ET) Why do you suppose Harry can't stay somewhere besides the Dursley's house over the summers? does anyone have any thoughts on this? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:21:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:21:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1248 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1247] Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 8:21 am (ET) I've heard that JKR has said that it will be revealed (or made apparent) in a later book why Harry keeps returning to the Dursleys. I would love to see him live with the Weasleys. Or with Lupin. Or stay with Hagrid at Hogwarts. Or with virtually anyone *but* the Dursleys. Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:40:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:40:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1249 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1248] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 8:40 am (ET) Penny, I couldn't agree more. Personally I find the Dursleys to be really distressing. Yes, I know thyey are also comic, bhut I have never understood why the Ministry of magic would have no child protection services. Also, why can't he stay at Hogwarts??? You would think that many of the teachers would be concerned for him.... And of course they are, and I am sure there is some hidden reason for his being sent back to that place. I can't for the life of me think of what it could be. Surely he is not difficult to find there, and I would imagine that he would be less, rather than more protected. We shall see....... From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 12:48:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Subject: Greetings from a New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1250 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Greetings from a New Member Date: 5/10/00 8:48 am (ET) I just wanted to say that I am really happy to find a forum where I can talk to otehr adults who are as gung-ho as I am about Harry Potter. Other forums I have found on the net have been far too dominated by eleven year olds for my tastes-- I have craved the depth of discussion I have found here! I am also happy to have found the Paradigm of Uncertainty (Thanks Penny!) Yes I admit it, I love ruminating over the avrious relationships that may or may not evolve between these characters *wicked grin*. Thought: One thing I was thinking about yesterday is what do people think will happen with the Malfoys? I see something brewing with Lucius: he must be outraged about being bumped as a governor of the school, and we know he is hiding Dark Arts materials in his house (and that Ron now knows of his secret chamber). We also know that he is capable of acting with great cruelty. I have the feeling that he will be up to something more dangerous in the future. I have also heard a rumor that Draco may change and work with Harry in a future book-- perhaps moving away from his fatehr's orbit? Thoughts anyone? From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 13:06:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:06:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1251 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 9:06 am (ET) Scholastic is holding a Harry Potter Sweepstakes. 5000 grandprize winners will have a copy of book IV, (title still not officially announced) delivered to their home on July 8, the same day the book is released. Unfortunately the winner must be under 18 in June of this year... Many of us however have kids that age who would happy to stand in for us there. Here is the link for the sweepstakes: http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/sweepstakes/index.htm I figure letting you guys in reduces my chances from about a billion to one against to two billion to one against but what are friends for? From christineoswell at yahoo.com Wed May 10 15:02:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1252 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #1251] Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 11:02 am (ET) Well, you don't have to worry about me! Since my oldest is 2, it might look kinda fishy for him to enter.... From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 15:26:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:26:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1253 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #1251] Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 11:26 am (ET) I have a cat who is 13... From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 15:52:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:52:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1254 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #1253] Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 11:52 am (ET) <I have a cat who is 13...> LOL! I have 2 dogs who are 6 yrs old . . . their names are not "dog" names but might not be something you'd inflict on children either (Hansel & Gretel). I think it might look suspicious if I entered them. Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 16:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1255 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #1254] Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 12:09 pm (ET) *groan* Well, I have two kittens named Parvati and Kali.... 8 months old! Ah well! Sweepstakes! From christineoswell at yahoo.com Wed May 10 16:24:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:24:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1256 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1248] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 12:24 pm (ET) At first I thought it would be great if he could go and live with Lupin, or the Weasleys, but now I've changed my mind. Besides the fact that the Dursleys are almost like a test to Harry's tolerance, I think if he lived somewhere else it would be too neat and tidy. Does that make sense? Kinda like winning a big lottery and not having to pay any taxes on it (the Dursleys are like the tax that takes at least 50% of the winnings). I think that there needs to be some adversity in his life other than the magical kind. Keeps him tied to the muggles and their world. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 16:40:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:40:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1257 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1256] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 12:40 pm (ET) Wasn't Neville a bit older than usual when he finally exhibited wizarding abilities? I have a hunch - it's just a hunch, mind you, there have been no clues or indications to back up my theory - that good old Dudley is going to have some latent ability, and the Dursley's are going to NEED Harry. Just a thought. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Wed May 10 16:55:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:55:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1258 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1257] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 12:55 pm (ET) That would be funny! I also thought that maybe there is something with Petunia (being Lily's sister) that has protected Harry all these years. Wouldn't it just kill the Dursleys to find out they have some magic ability? Tee hee.. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 17:17:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:17:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1259 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Reply To: [Yahoo! #1253] Re: Harry Potter Sweepstakes Date: 5/10/00 1:17 pm (ET) <I have a cat who is 13... > Hmm! Hadn't thought of that. I have four cats. Maybe I'll enter the 17-year-old, the 14-year-old, and the 7-year-old. Think they'd believe the 4-year-old? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 17:45:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1260 From: jenP_97 Subject: Fan fiction Date: 5/10/00 1:45 pm (ET) Hey. A lot of us seem to be enjoying the story we've been writing (not that I've been writing any of it - but I have been enjoying it). Anyway, there's a HUGE section on Harry Potter at www.fanfiction.net. I was thumbing through the recent addtions, and there is a fabulous one that I just couldnt' tear myself away from (until part four ended, and now I have to wait for part five, darnit). I have to say that it seems that most of the stories on the site are pretty unreadable. Of course, most of them are written by 10-year-olds, and it's excellent for them - but obviously, they're geared towards kids their own age, not kids our age. Anyway (have you noticed that I start sentences off with Anyway a lot?), this is a very grown-up Harry Potter fanfic, and I just thought that some of you might be interested. Here are the direct links to the story itself - if you like them, there are some other authors that write similarly adult (not nasty, mind, but not for children) stories. Part 1: http://fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=24945 Part 2: http://fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=24972 Part 3: http://fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=24974 Part 4: http://fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=story-read&storyid=24978 That's it, only four parts to go, and there's more coming. They're long, so you may just want to download them instead of sitting there spinning your mouse wheel... Jen From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:04:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:04:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1261 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1260] Fan fiction Date: 5/10/00 2:04 pm (ET) The story that you linked to also has its own email list. Here is the address and once there there are instructions for subscribing. This gets you chapters emailed to you directly, and also discussion about the story. Its a great story isn't it?? Also Lori has completed 6 chapters. You can get the other two chapters on the site listed below. She finishes about a chapter a week. If you have any questions you can email me....Enjoy...I know there are at least a couple others on this board that are following Lori's story. Hi there : ) Address for Paradigm of Uncertainty email list: http://www.egroups.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty my email: lrcjestes at msn.com later cj From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:20:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1262 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1261] Re: Fan fiction Date: 5/10/00 2:20 pm (ET) Hi: Well Jen, cj beat me but I was going to tell you the same thing basically. I've been following this story from Day 1 and it's really quite good (IMO). Funny thing is that Lori just posted those chapters to Fanfic.net a few days ago and told all of us on the Paradigm of Uncertainty listserve about that particular site. I queried whether there was anything else worth looking at and geared for adults (preferably written by an adult). The response from other members, including Lori, has been that most of the other stuff that they've looked at is quite amateurish and geared for the 10 year-old set. What does it say about the HP craze that there are *1900* fanfic pieces posted on Fanfic.net???!! In a nutshell, Paradigm of Uncertainty is well worth taking a look at. Fanfic may not be your thing, but I think this one is very well-written, creative and humorous (and for you romantics out there, the Harry & Hermione love angle is heating up as well). :--) You may not think you favor a H/H romance (I was always sort of rooting for Hermione & Ron and thinking that maybe Ginny would one day be a good match for Harry), but this storyline has completely converted me to H/H. It's set 8 years post-Hogwarts (characters are 26-27). Lori's been particularly created at devising wizarding careers for everyone. I think I posted a plug on it awhile back but couldn't resist chiming in to say how great I think it is. It's definitely something to keep you going in between HP books. Lori says she plans to finish this one up right before Book 4 comes out and then start up a sequel in July at some point. Penny From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:20:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1263 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1261] Re: Fan fiction Date: 5/10/00 2:20 pm (ET) Ah hah! Now I understand one of the past messages that I didn't completely understand. ;) Jen (although, now I feel a bit sheepish for posting about it...) From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:24:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1264 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1260] Fan fiction Date: 5/10/00 2:24 pm (ET) Also, (forgot to add this in my last post) please share any other stories there that you think are worthwhile....... thanks cj From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:27:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1265 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1256] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 2:27 pm (ET) <At first I thought it would be great if he could go and live with Lupin, or the Weasleys, but now I've changed my mind. Besides the fact that the Dursleys are almost like a test to Harry's tolerance, I think if he lived somewhere else it would be too neat and tidy.> Well, I definitely think Dumbledore made the right decision to let Harry grow up at the Dursleys, away from his fame and knowledge of the wizarding world (despite the fact that I can't imagine *how* Harry turned out to be such a good person living under those circumstances). But, once extrictated from that place, I think it's terrible for him to have to go back. Mind you, I do think the Dursleys add to the plot, and I think there is some other grand purpose to it all that will be revealed at some point. But, I still feel sorry for Harry returning there at the end of each school year (especially POA when he had thought for a short while that he would be living with Sirius). Does anyone else assume that by age 16 or 17 Harry could make his own decision about where to spend school holidays? What is the age of minority in the UK I wonder? Penny From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 18:49:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:49:00 -0400 Subject: Thank God! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1266 From: vikar25 Subject: Thank God! Date: 5/10/00 2:49 pm (ET) I am soooo glad that this club exists. My wife and I tore through the Harry Potter books and are anxiously awaiting the fourth year in July. However, we had no way of explaining to other adults that these books are really very good and very funny. I hope to hear from you people soon. I'm glad to be here. Regards, Vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 20:17:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: Thank God! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1267 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Thank God! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1266] Thank God! Date: 5/10/00 4:17 pm (ET) Welcome Vikar25 -- You might also be interested in some other HP cyberspace venues for adult fans -- harrypotteranonymous at egroups.com HogwartsAdultSchool at egroups.com The fanfic mentioned in earlier posts today is at ParadigmOfUncertainty at egroups.com Again, welcome and please chime in! Penny From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Wed May 10 21:10:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:10:00 -0400 Subject: Dursley's House Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1268 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Dursley's House Reply To: [Yahoo! #1257] Re: Dursley's House Date: 5/10/00 5:10 pm (ET) You jerkface!!!!!! That was my idea for the next Round Robin story!!!!!!!!!!!! From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Wed May 10 21:28:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1269 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Hee hee hee Date: 5/10/00 5:28 pm (ET) http://www.modernhumorist.com/staggering/index.html Be careful of the naughty words. From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:01:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1270 From: davehoz Subject: The Lawsuit Date: 5/10/00 6:01 pm (ET) Does anyone know when the Stouffer lawsuit goes to trial... Her website is just getting more and more outrageous... Not only the lengths at which she's stretching to point out JKR's "plagerisms" which she says are "too numerous to list", but now she's claiming that she's receiving death threats from Harry fans, proving how the evil Harry Potter Books warp the minds of those who read them. (I don't think kissing up to the would-be book burners will help her case.) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:08:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1271 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: The Lawsuit Reply To: [Yahoo! #1270] The Lawsuit Date: 5/10/00 6:08 pm (ET) My understanding is that it could be delayed as far as into 2001. I don't know why. I am truly incredulous that this lawsuit is being taken seriously at all. God, her attorney must be desperate! I have looked at her website and she strikes me as simply a jealous, narrow, wannabe who never got anywhere with her writing and is driven by this deranged bitterness toward Rowling. Her claims are absurd. I would lvoe to talk about this one with someone who really knows copyright law. I have been doing my own research and from what I understand, you CAN'T copyright a WORD and reserve it for your own use-- just your unique literary creation. A trademark is not the same thing as a copyright. Also, she didn't even register her trademark until the year 2000. She has also said many things about Rowling which are untrue. Sounds like a frivolous lawsuit to me! Hey you lawyers out there! WHY IS THIS CASE GOING ANYWHERE??? --Suzanne From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:16:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:16:00 -0400 Subject: Oh God this woman is absurd!!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1272 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Oh God this woman is absurd!!! Date: 5/10/00 6:16 pm (ET) Okay this is just too much. She is now claiming that Rowling and Scholastic are responsible for the so-called threats she has received, that the Harry Potter books encourage violent behaviour, and that it is Rowling's responsibility to control how other people respond to her. Lord, I guess some people do not have much in the way of social skills. Does anyone else find the content of her website slanderous? Is this not escalating behaviour?] And to make things more absurd, she thinks we care about what kind of car she drives???? Prozac, Nancy! Prozac! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:18:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:18:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee! ROFL! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1273 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Hee hee hee! ROFL! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1269] Hee hee hee Date: 5/10/00 6:18 pm (ET) Oh! That is wonderful!! ROFL!! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:31:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:31:00 -0400 Subject: The Lawsuit Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1274 From: plinsenmayer Subject: The Lawsuit Date: 5/10/00 6:31 pm (ET) I would bet all kinds of money that the Stouffer lawsuit gets dismissed at a very early stage. In some states, it's easy to follow a federal trial online through electronic case filings. I checked that out when I first heard of the Stouffer case a month or two ago. Turns out that PA federal courts do have electronic case filing, but you have to pay for access to their filings. Since this is the only lawsuit pending in PA in which I have the slightest interest, I decided not to cough up any money to follow the pleadings. Anyway, I would guess that as soon as possible, the defense lawyers for JKR and Scholastic will file a motion for summary judgment, and the judge will throw the case out well before it proceeds to trial. Since she filed the suit sometime in March as I recall, the defense probably took until sometime in April to file their answer (you usually have 30 days). They will likely soon file motions to dismiss. I would bet we'll see a press release from Scholastic before too long. Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:34:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:34:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1275 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Hee hee hee Reply To: [Yahoo! #1269] Hee hee hee Date: 5/10/00 6:34 pm (ET) Very, very funny! I get it, but I wish I had read the other book now just for comparison. Oh, and sorry for "stealing" your idea. Maybe you should find Nancy Stouffer's lawyer and hire him to build a lawsuit against me for plagiarism! <B,BG> From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:36:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1276 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1275] Re: Hee hee hee Date: 5/10/00 6:36 pm (ET) I said it was funny first!!! *stamping my foot* You are stealing my idea!! I am going to sue you and make lots of money! HA!! From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 22:45:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1277 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1276] Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Date: 5/10/00 6:45 pm (ET) You know, I almost feel sorry for little Nancy. Little does she know how much we're ridiculing her. Notice I said "almost"... ;-) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 10 23:26:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:26:00 -0400 Subject: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1278 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1277] Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Date: 5/10/00 7:26 pm (ET) *giggling* I just went out to pick up some take out and was thinking wouldn't it be fun to do a parody of her website? www.realmugglesmyfoot.com Her absurd accusations are just begging for good old fashioned ridicule in my opinion. I almost feel sorry for her too-- but I stop short because her sour grapes are just too damned sour. From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 12:46:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1279 From: vikar25 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1278] Re: Hee hee hee How DARE you!! Date: 5/11/00 8:46 am (ET) Absurd is the word. I have to assume that the author is an adult. Also I have to assume that with the exception of this group and a few others that the majority of Harry Potter fans are children. So, tell me. What type of death threat can an 11 or 12 year old make? "Stop suing J.K. Rowling or you'll eat my broccoli!" "Stop suing J.K. Rowling or I'll have to cry on your car!" "Stop suing J.K. Rowling or you'll get such a pinch!" I'm sure that I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 11 13:13:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:13:00 -0400 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1280 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: So, she's getting threats? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1279] So, she's getting threats? Date: 5/11/00 9:13 am (ET) What is more problematic is that she asserts that Rowling and her publishers are responsible for and encouraging threatening behaviour, and that the Harry Potter books themselves encourage kids to violence. This strikes me as threatening and defamatory. I don't know what this woman's probelm is. She seems to think that she has the right to say whatever she pleases about otehr people with no regard for the truth. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 19:14:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: For the WB fans out there Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1281 From: melaniem68 Subject: For the WB fans out there Date: 5/11/00 3:14 pm (ET) I thought some of you might like this blurb in next week's (May 13-19) TV Guide. It was one of ten tongue-in-cheek suggestiosns for spicing up Dawson's Creek (page 10, "Tweaking Creek" by Matt Roush): "Joey Potter (Katie Holmes) discovers a long-lost brother by the name of Harry, who's pretty good with magic. Crossovers with "Charmed" [a show about three sister witches] ensue." BTW, does anyone remember which became public first, the first episode of "Dawson's Creek" or the first HP book? I'm just trying to figure out who should sue whom for use of name "Potter" in a main character <g>. Hope I covered enough bases to avoid a lawsuit by Matt Roush or TV Guide! Melanie From estesrandy at yahoo.com Thu May 11 19:22:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:22:00 -0400 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1282 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: So, she's getting threats? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1280] Re: So, she's getting threats? Date: 5/11/00 3:22 pm (ET) She seems to think that she has the right to say whatever she pleases about otehr people with no regard for the truth. yeah, who does she think she is? A lawyer? Maybe a radio talk show host? Perhaps she should run for President of the US. After all, these types of people love to say anything they please about other people with no regard for the truth! This lawsuit is just a reflection of our times. If someone makes alot of money, they need to hire a lawyer to protect them from everyone else who wants to take their money away from them. George Harrison wrote a song about this in the early 1970's called "Sue Me, Sue You Blues". Those of us without alot of money manage to avoid this kind of junk most of the time. Hopefully the legal system will dispense with this case quickly. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 11 19:32:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: Magic Wands and Symbolism Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1283 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Magic Wands and Symbolism Date: 5/11/00 3:32 pm (ET) I have been reading the Dictionary of Symbols (Jack Tresidder) and found a great deal that might be of interest to HP aficionados, and anyone who likes digging into arcana ( I am told the JK has a great interest in Medieval Alchemy-- has anyone else heard this?) I have lately been interested in magic wands and their materials. Here are some tidbits I found. I thought they were quite evocative: Yew (As in Voldemort's wand): A tree of immortality, which often is seen in English graveyards, and a wood associated with strength, resilience, and magickal powers. (Druid wands ans well as bows were made of it). In superstition, yew was lucky to touch, but unlucky to bring into the house because its leaves and seeds are poisonous. Holly (As in Harry's wand): A midwinter emblem of hope and joy, connected with the solstice and with teh rebirth of the sacrificed God. In the Christian tradition, it is associated with John the Baptist and with Christ's passion (death on the cross) because of its thorn-like leaves and bright red berries. Oak (as in Hagrid's wand): Might, endurance, lonegvity, and nobility. The oak was sacred to the thunder gods of Greece, Germany, Scandanavia, and Slavic countries, possibly because it was thought to bear the brunt of lightning strikes. In Druidic rites, it served as an axiel symbol and natural temple, associated with male potency and wisdom. Although primarily a male emblem, Cybele, Juno, and other great mother goddesses were also linked with the oak, and the dryads were oak nymphs. Hercules's club was made of oak, and according to some traditions, Christ died on an oaken cross. Willow (As in Lily's wand): For the Jews, a tree of lamentation, but in the east, a symbol of the springtime of sexual love, feminine grace, and the sweet sorrow of parting, resilience and immortality.... It is a Budhhist symbol of meekness and compassion.... As a lunar and feminine symbol, one of the most celebrated of all motifs in Chinese art and decoration. Alas, no mention of mahogany in the book.... From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu May 11 21:04:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:04:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #9 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1284 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Puzzle #9 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1244] Puzzle #9 Date: 5/11/00 5:04 pm (ET) So far I have only had one reply to my puzzle (which was right BTW). Is no one else going to try it? Are they too hard? Should I give hints? Christine From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 22:30:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:30:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #9 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1285 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Puzzle #9 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1284] Re: Puzzle #9 Date: 5/11/00 6:30 pm (ET) I've figured out number 1, but could definitely use a hint on the others. But then, anagrams aren't my strongest puzzle type. Melanie From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 22:31:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:31:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1286 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1264] Re: Fan fiction Date: 5/11/00 6:31 pm (ET) >Also, (forgot to add this in my last post) please share any other stories there that you think are worthwhile....... Here's how I muddled through. There's a thing near the top of the window that lets you choose how the stories are sorted: by title, by author, by date of entry, and by rating. Sort the stories by author, then read a shorter piece by each author (I know, it's still a lot). That way, you get a general sense of the author's ability, and you can read the longer pieces. I tend to avoid any "songfic" or poems... simply because I'm just looking for stories. It may help if you also limit the list to one of the categories, i.e., romance (I'm such a sap), humor, action, etc. Just off the top of my head, there are a couple of authors that are okay - Quaxo - she's pretty good - and Katie Bell. Those are the only two names that stick out right now. Quaxo's even better if you're a Snape fan. Hope you find something you like. There are some stories worth reading in there, but then again, if you ask my husband, he'll say that he only hears me complaining that "I read this horrible piece of trash today - ugh - I couldn't even get halfway through it!" ;) Jen Ps. I was reading one - 'tis very short - entitled Hermione's baby or something, and it's got Hermione and Harry living together in their own room (on campus) during their last year - and Hermione's pregnant. What does that say to you about kids these days? Does it seem commonplace to them for a girl to be pregnant (and happy about it!) at age 17??? *I* was just shocked - but then again, I guess I'm a prude. Me again. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu May 11 22:44:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1287 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1286] Re: Fan fiction Date: 5/11/00 6:44 pm (ET) > I tend to avoid any "songfic" or poems... simply > because I'm just looking for stories. Ummm....what's songfic? This is the second time in two days I've seen the term and the authors of both posts said they avoided it. But before then, I'd never heard of it. From christineoswell at yahoo.com Thu May 11 23:47:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:47:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #9 hints Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1288 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Puzzle #9 hints Reply To: [Yahoo! #1285] Re: Puzzle #9 Date: 5/11/00 7:47 pm (ET) Ok, I don't want to make these too obvious... I will post the answer and winners tonight. 1 Big. nuff said 2 Flowers (female) 3 Picture (male) 4 Two colours (female) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 04:33:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: Fan fiction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1289 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Fan fiction Reply To: [Yahoo! #1287] Re: Fan fiction Date: 5/12/00 12:33 am (ET) I found out what songfic was the hard way. Let's just say someone takes a song (Britney Spears is a good source, I've realized, 'Nsync, Backstreet Boys, etc are also popular), changes the words to match a HP story, then posts it. Sometimes, there's a story between stanzas, sometimes it's just a song. Mostly, it's just cheeeee-zy beyond words (yes, I know I spelled cheesy wrong). Of course, I was put off by the first one I read, and I just don't look at the others, so I shouldn't extend my opinion to the ones I haven't read. If you want to decide for yourself, just look through until you find some. They usually say "songfic" in the little synopsis after the title (at fanfiction.net, anyway). Jen From christineoswell at yahoo.com Fri May 12 05:16:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:16:00 -0400 Subject: Puzzle #9 Answers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1290 From: christineoswell Subject: Puzzle #9 Answers Date: 5/12/00 1:16 am (ET) Congratulations to Randy for getting all four, and Melanie gets honourable mention for getting two. That means you get to do the next one Randy... 1. Rubeus Hagrid 2. Pansy Parkinson 3. Sir Cadogan 4. Lavender Brown From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 14:44:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:44:00 -0400 Subject: Muggles and lawsuits Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1291 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Muggles and lawsuits Date: 5/12/00 10:44 am (ET) For everyone worried that Rowling stole Stouffer's trademarked term, "Muggles", here is a web site listing a vast assortment of places where the term Muggle appears: http://www.geocities.com/harrypotterfans/muggles.html At least two of them are registered trademarks, neither of which belong to Ms. Stouffer. One is for a doll (this could make for some interesting legal issues for the Harry Potter toy makers) while the other is a restaurant in California. If you wondered why her site is called http://www.realmuggles.com try visiting http://www.muggles.com. For me, the most interesting is that Muggles appears in the Oxford English Dictionary as having three different definitions. Two are archaic English. One is as a slang expression for marijuana and marijuana users. For me, that explains a lot. Muggles are dopeheads. No wonder they don't have any magic in them. They're stoned. Hmm. Does that mean Harry Potter has an anti-drug message? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 12 15:18:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:00 -0400 Subject: Muggles and lawsuits Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1292 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Muggles and lawsuits Reply To: [Yahoo! #1291] Muggles and lawsuits Date: 5/12/00 11:18 am (ET) It is an excellent list of muggle sightings, isn't it? Even with a trademark, you can't prevent an author from legitimate use of a word. Just for info: Stouffer did not register her trademark until the year 2000. I think those other "muggles" are earlier. I wonder, has anyone contacted those companies? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 15:23:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:23:00 -0400 Subject: Muggles and lawsuits Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1293 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Muggles and lawsuits Reply To: [Yahoo! #1292] Re: Muggles and lawsuits Date: 5/12/00 11:23 am (ET) After seeing her "Muggles", I am convinced that they are more like Teletubbie rip offs than anything from Harry Potter. She has no case. Regards, Vikar25 From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 17:14:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks, Penny! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1294 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Thanks, Penny! Date: 5/12/00 1:14 pm (ET) Thanks so much for talking up Paradigm of Uncertainty! I'm enjoying it so much. ;-) From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 17:46:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:46:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1295 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 1:46 pm (ET) The following web page is dedicated to Harry Potter rumors. I suspect they actually know very little but as grist for speculation: http://www.angelfire.com/on2/harrypotter/rumors.html Among their main "confirmed rumors" that might be relevent to Book IV: One of the main characters will die in the fourth book and it will be a teacher. A new character will be appearing and become Harry's third best friend. We will see "hormonal" things in the coming books. That means love interests, crushes, kissing... Harry will "fall for" the Ravenclaw Quidditch Team Seeker, Cho Chang. Harry will be tempted by the Dark Side in Book 4. (Probably by Darth Vader -- Harry. Join me and we will put an end to this useless rebellion. We will rule Hogwarts as Father and Son.) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri May 12 20:30:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:30:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1296 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1295] Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 4:30 pm (ET) I guess Dumbledore will fight wands with Darth and mysteriously disappear in mid battle. He then appears to Harry in a semi-transparent form whenever Harry needs help. At the end of the book, the Slytherin Tower explodes in a giant fireball. In book 5 , a new small elf-like character appears and trains Harry in the ways of the Gryffindor. In book 6, Magical teddy bears do battle with the Dark Side. Ron and Hermione are paired up after learning that Hermione is really Harry's sister. Then Book 7 skips back into the past where Harry's Father meets Dumbledore in some kind of Dragon Races and bets the Dragon's owner that the young boy will win and be able to go to Hogwarts. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 12 20:58:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:58:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1297 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1296] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 4:58 pm (ET) I really hope it will not be Dumbledore who will die. Not only because I like him but because there is a danger it will be a tad too Star Warsy. *sigh* I really hope JK has something unexpected up her sleeve. I am SURE that she does.... From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Fri May 12 21:09:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:09:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1298 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1297] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 5:09 pm (ET) Maybe she'll get really creative and kill off one of the readers. Voicelady, you up for it? From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri May 12 21:28:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: Thanks, Penny! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1299 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Thanks, Penny! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1294] Thanks, Penny! Date: 5/12/00 5:28 pm (ET) Glad you're enjoying Paradigm of Uncertainty Voicelady (and Jen and whoever else may be lurking on that listserve)! Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Fri May 12 22:02:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:02:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1300 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1298] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 6:02 pm (ET) <<Maybe she'll get really creative and kill off one of the readers. Voicelady, you up for it?>> Sure, why not? Sounds very Neverending Story-ish. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat May 13 01:29:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:29:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1301 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1300] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 9:29 pm (ET) What if JKR tries to kill off one of the professors but ends up zapping herself into a shadow existence? She then has to share heads with some guy in a turban. Then all the readers get messages from owls telling us that we really are wizards and we get to go to Hogwarts in September. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 02:15:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1302 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1301] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/12/00 10:15 pm (ET) Ooh, I like that one... From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat May 13 21:49:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1303 From: davehoz Subject: Re: So, she's getting threats? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1280] Re: So, she's getting threats? Date: 5/13/00 5:49 pm (ET) Could the "Ban Harry Potter" groups be handing her $$$? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat May 13 21:54:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Subject: So, she's getting threats? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1304 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: So, she's getting threats? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1303] Re: So, she's getting threats? Date: 5/13/00 5:54 pm (ET) In reply to: ould the "Ban Harry Potter" groups be handing her $$$? " They are all made of the same material, aren't they? I just heard a rumor that NS might be dropping ehr case. Apparently the 600+ emails she has gotten are giving her the impression that people are not supporting her. Has anyone else heard this? I spoke to Scholastic's legal department last week, but they gave no indication of this. From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 13 22:41:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:41:00 -0400 Subject: Rumors? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1305 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Rumors? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1296] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/13/00 6:41 pm (ET) <<In book 5, a new small elf-like character appears and trains Harry in the ways of the Gryfinndor.>> LOL hey, that could be Dobby ... I could see the confusion in Harry's face when the previously foot worshipping Dobby becomes some Gryfinndor master... he's definately capable of it. From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 13 22:44:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: No Dream Sequences Please! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1306 From: norevoli Subject: No Dream Sequences Please! Date: 5/13/00 6:44 pm (ET) I think the thing that will piss me off the most is if the books end with... "and he woke up".... grrrrr! I hate when everything ends up being "a dream" so I hope JKR doesn't do it... although it would mean that Harry's parents would still be alive.... but still! no dream sequences please!! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 22:48:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby/Yoda Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1307 From: melaniem68 Subject: Dobby/Yoda Reply To: [Yahoo! #1305] Re: Rumors? Date: 5/13/00 6:48 pm (ET) I've actually always seen Dobby as a very Yoda-like creature. Meanwhile the Dementors are very reminicant of Darth Vader--minus the mechanics. The height, the black cloak, the heavy breathing.... Or are the Dementors more like the Ring-Wraiths of Lord of the Rings? From lusterball at yahoo.com Sat May 13 23:00:00 2000 From: lusterball at yahoo.com (lusterball at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:00:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby/Yoda Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1308 From: lusterball Subject: Re: Dobby/Yoda Reply To: [Yahoo! #1307] Dobby/Yoda Date: 5/13/00 7:00 pm (ET) I totally agree, and they're DV From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat May 13 23:38:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:38:00 -0400 Subject: Dobby/Yoda Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1309 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Dobby/Yoda Reply To: [Yahoo! #1308] Re: Dobby/Yoda Date: 5/13/00 7:38 pm (ET) I'm just going to skip over the star wars comparison (hehehe) and go straight to the dementors. Has anyone else pictured them as "death"? You know, Grim Reaper? I think it may be because of the little pre-chapter drawings. However, I'm thinking specifically of the one in _Scrooged_ with Bill Murray. I just can't get that image out of my head. Except without the tv screen for the face. But maybe keep the starving babies underneath. ;) Jen From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sun May 14 01:56:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:56:00 -0400 Subject: Demontors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1310 From: estesrandy Subject: Demontors Reply To: [Yahoo! #1309] Re: Dobby/Yoda Date: 5/13/00 9:56 pm (ET) I just can't get something else out of my head regarding Dementor's. I expect they all listen to the radio for the "Doctor Dementor Show" which plays strange wizard music every Sunday night. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sun May 14 02:12:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Quiz #10 Whatizit? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1311 From: estesrandy Subject: Quiz #10 Whatizit? Date: 5/13/00 10:12 pm (ET) Q Each of these items are quotes from Harry Potter books which describe something. Your job is to figure out.....Whatizit? 1. "They can carry immensely heavy loads, their tears have healing powers, and they make highly faithful pets." 2. "Wizards who could transform at will into animals." 3. "It had twelve hands but no numbers; instead, little planets were moving around the edge." 4. "It can take the shape of whatever it thinks will frighten us most." 5. "The card propped on a ________, Caution DO Not Touch. Cursed-- Has Claimed the Lives of Nineteen Muggle Owners to Date." 6. "Ron buckled as something huge and orange came soaring from the top of the highest cage, landed on his head..." 7. " I have one myself above my left knee that is a perfect map of the London Underground." 8. "A Wizarding game rather like marbles, in which the stones squirt a nasty-smelling liquid into the other player's face when they lose a point." 9. "If there's someone untrustworthy around, it's supposed to light up and spin." 10. "This little beauty taught us more than all the teachers in this school." - Fred Weasley Extra Credit- 11. Who am I? " a Slytherin girl with a face like a pug." Extra- Extra Credit- Whatizit? 12. "It flipped onto its edge and scuttled sideways along the bed like some weird crab." Email your answers to estesrandy at yahoo.com Good Luck From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun May 14 04:12:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:12:00 -0400 Subject: No Dream Sequences Please! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1312 From: davehoz Subject: Re: No Dream Sequences Please! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1306] No Dream Sequences Please! Date: 5/14/00 12:12 am (ET) "It was all dream" is always a cop-out ending, and I don't think JKR would do that to us... (Even _The Wizard of Oz_ doesn't really end that way -- They just made it a dream in the movie because Louis B. Mayer was jittery about producing a pure fantasy movie.) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sun May 14 12:04:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:04:00 -0400 Subject: No Dream Sequences Please! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1313 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: No Dream Sequences Please! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1312] Re: No Dream Sequences Please! Date: 5/14/00 8:04 am (ET) You mean you don't want to wake up and find yourself married to Victoria Principal? Or my favorite. When Bob Newhart wakes up to find that his new TV show in the 80's was all a dream and he's back in the old show with Suzanne Pleashette (sp?). I think that JKR knows this is too big a book series to end it with a silly ending. She will do her best! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 14 17:22:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:22:00 -0400 Subject: Harry Potter's Astrological Chart! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1314 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Harry Potter's Astrological Chart! Date: 5/14/00 1:22 pm (ET) http://www.astrologyalive.com/Harry_Potter.html It certainly is interesting! From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon May 15 07:38:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:38:00 -0400 Subject: New member intro Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1315 From: Danemead Subject: New member intro Date: 5/15/00 3:38 am (ET) New member here. I first read the Potter books late last year after reading articles about their popularity with adults, and thinking that anyone who could get 3 books on top of the bestsellers list at once must have some powerful magic. I am now re-reading them to refresh my memory before July. It's like falling in love all over again! To anyone that tries to tell me witchcraft and magic don't exist in the real world, I offer a quote from Dr. Arthur C. Clarke, scientist and author: "Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic." By the standards of the 18th century, every one of us might be burned as a witch, because we have the ability to point our magic wands (remote controls) at a wooden box (TV) and make pictures and sounds appear seemingly out of nowhere. Maybe Wizards are just well-trained technicians, using technology we haven't learned about yet! Looking forward to joining in the discussions, especially when "Doomspell" comes out. Danemead From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon May 15 07:48:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:48:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1316 From: Danemead Subject: Voldemort Date: 5/15/00 3:48 am (ET) Had a thought this evening about the name Voldemort. In French, I think the phrase Vol de Mort would mean something like "stealing from death" or "theft of the dead" -- do you think Voldemort can steal the powers of the wizards & witches that he kills? The more he can kill, the more powerful he would become. Just a peculiar thought.... Danemead From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon May 15 11:50:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:50:00 -0400 Subject: "Prisoner of Azkaban" Screenplay Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1317 From: angelx_ph Subject: "Prisoner of Azkaban" Screenplay Date: 5/15/00 7:50 am (ET) I'm currently writing my own screenplay adaptation of "Prisoner of Azkaban". If anyone is willing to help me or is interested in giving me any suggestions, feel free to email me at filmcritic at edsa.com.ph QUESTION: Are there a lot of Starbucks in England? I know it's kind of a weird question because I was planning this sight gag during the part where Harry visits Hogsmeade. He says, "Oh my, those things really ARE everywhere" then we see that even in Hogsmeade, there's a Starbucks. Kinda funny, eh? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 12:49:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:49:00 -0400 Subject: Voldemort Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1318 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Voldemort Reply To: [Yahoo! #1316] Voldemort Date: 5/15/00 8:49 am (ET) Danemead, That would tend to make a lot of sense, considering how feared he was. Also, Lord Voldemorte did not rule by reward. He ruled by punishment (unless you were in his inner circle). There are still the unanswered questions as to who Voldemorte is really and who he is to Harry. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 15 12:51:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:51:00 -0400 Subject: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1319 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Date: 5/15/00 8:51 am (ET) The only thing that makes sense in terms of plot is for Dumbledore to be killed. Voldemort will kill him, and Lucius Malfoy (having been defeated and humiliated in both Books 2 and 3) will be instrumental in effecting this. It is necessary for Dumbledore to die because... he is the only one Voldemort fears. Obviously there will have to be some kind of plot twist that makes this possible-- a betrayal from within Hogwarts? Whatever it is, the opportunity will come and Voldemort and Malfoy will take it. Once this happens, Hogwarts is now no longer a safe place. Malfoy will return to his position on the Board of Govenors and blackmail all of the other govenors into electing Snape as Headmaster believing Snape to be on his side. Hmmmm... Could Snape have had connections on the Dark Side? Perhaps some.... but where does his heart really lie? We will find out in a future book that he was once in love with Lily Potter, and now hates Harry because, as many have noted, he looks exactly like James. But then.... in Book seven, Snape will have a chnage of heart, fall in love again.... and perhaps surprise Voldemort and Malfoy with his true allegiences and his power. But I run ahead of myself: Dumbledore's death will set the tone for the next three books. The evil presence will be much more present and dangerous. Many students will leave in fear, some will join forces with the Dark. Harry will stay because he really has no choice. I do not believe that there will be any "Star Wars" cop out. Voldemort is NOT Harry's father-- he looks like him, after all-- but we WILL find out something evry interesting about Lily Potter's background. Also, Rowling has made the point a number of times that once one is dead that is it: There will be no disembodies Dumbledore's saying "Use the Force, Harry!" harry will have to draw on his own power and strength, and perhaps will find other allies to take the place of Dumbledore. Hmmmm... What will McGonegall's place in all of this be? I think she will play an important role in carrying Dumbledore's torch..... We shall see.... Thoughts? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 15 13:49:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:49:00 -0400 Subject: Something trvial I would like to know... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1320 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Something trvial I would like to know... Date: 5/15/00 9:49 am (ET) LOL Does anyone here have a theory about the exchange rate for dollars/galleons? I was trying to calculate this by looking carefully at what people purchase and how much they pay for their purchases, and then attempting to make comparisons. Problem is, we do not have much to compare to the prices for brooms or magic wands. Wizard owls are obviously not priced in proportion to what an actual raptor would cost to a muggle. The most ordinary things I could find were the candies Harry bought on the train for eleven sickles. Hmmmm.... Well I losted each item and then priced out similar muggle items (ie: perhaps bertie bott's every flavor beans would be comparable to 1/4 pound of jelly bellies, etc.). I then divided this by the number of sickles Harry paid, then multiplied the value of a sickle by 17 to come up with the value of a galleon. $6.43= 1 Galleon. I guess I had some time on my hands this morning..... From vikar25 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 15:06:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:06:00 -0400 Subject: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1321 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1319] Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Date: 5/15/00 11:06 am (ET) It seems to be consistant with the way that Harry's Luck runs anytime he is not in Hogwarts. But I have a feeling that if Dumbledore is gone a new ally will appear to help him equally as well. Regards, Vikar25 From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Mon May 15 21:57:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Subject: new member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1322 From: morrigan09 Subject: new member Date: 5/15/00 5:57 pm (ET) hi, just joined today. I'm from Ireland, I'm a student, and a Draco Malfoy fan! Some of my pet Harry Potter theories: -Lucius Malfoy is responsible for the Weasleys losing all their money. -The Shrinking Solution has a pivotal plot role to play in future books. -Draco is a nice guy underneath it all (well, THAT theory is hardly unique to me!) I saw some of you were asking about fanfiction.net. I've been going there for months now and there IS some stuff worth reading. I recommend Blaise's work: http://www.fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=Directory-AuthorProfile&UserID=6432 and CLS': http://www.fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=Directory-AuthorProfile&UserID=6851 If you like the James Potter generation of characters, you'll like those two authors. There's other stuff worth reading too, but that's enough to be getting on with I think. I also post there myself, although my stuff tends to verge on the strange and surreal. With a rather guilty "spamming" feeling I'll give you that URL as well: http://www.fanfiction.net/master.cfm?action=Directory-AuthorProfile&UserID=6363 since I don't write for kids, but for myself. Incidentally reviews are very much appreciated by all the authors I've met, if they're encouraging or constructive. So if any of you do find something you like there tell the author so. -Morrigan From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue May 16 00:26:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:26:00 -0400 Subject: new member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1323 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: new member Reply To: [Yahoo! #1322] new member Date: 5/15/00 8:26 pm (ET) Welcome Morrigan!! I am Irish and living in Boston... and also a Draco fan. Like you I truly believe that he isn't an evil person. His father is-- and I think he is very much under hi fatehr;s shadow, but I think all that will change in the future. The thing that sticks in my mind is that he really did want to be Harry's friend initially-- and I think that will happen. So much to rattle on and on about! Welcome aboard! From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Tue May 16 01:34:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:34:00 -0400 Subject: new member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1324 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: new member Reply To: [Yahoo! #1322] new member Date: 5/15/00 9:34 pm (ET) Hi, Morrigan! Welcome to our world! ;-) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue May 16 13:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:00 -0400 Subject: new member-- Wow! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1325 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: new member-- Wow! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1322] new member Date: 5/16/00 9:09 am (ET) I have been reading your stories all morning! They are WONDERFUL! I hope we get to talk some more. Have you ever read Angela Carter? I think you would like her work.... From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue May 16 23:16:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:16:00 -0400 Subject: A new and already huge fan of Harry's... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1326 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: A new and already huge fan of Harry's... Date: 5/16/00 7:16 pm (ET) Greetings! I have just recently become a fan Ms. Rowling's imaginative work...In fact, I am at this very moment working on a Harry Potter webpage! I have only just read the first two in the series. These books are definitely instant classics, to be ranked with The Hobbit, and The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe...for shear fanciful fantasy... I'm looking forward to eventually passing these books to my children and grandchildren... From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Tue May 16 23:25:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:25:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1327 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/16/00 7:25 pm (ET) I was curious, as I am also a big film buff on your opinions on who should play Harry in the upcoming movie?? Who should direct? Who should star?? In my opinion these books would translate well under Tim Burton's direction...I can picture NO ONE else directing it...I also think it should be done in stop-motion-animation style (i.e. The Nightmare Before Christmas, and James and the Giant Peach). That's how I've always pictured it...But, if they do do a live action film...Here's my fantasy cast: (with British accents of course) Will Wheaton ("Stand By Me" age)- as Harry Potter Gary Oldman - Voldemort Alec Guiness - Dumblemore that's all I can think of at this moment...Feel free to reply or add your own fantasy cast. ;-) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 17 02:15:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:15:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1328 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1327] What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/16/00 10:15 pm (ET) I am putting togetehr a webforum right now about this kind of fantasy casting! I agree whole hearetdly with you about Time Burton, though I was also hoping for Terry Gilliam (Monty Python veteran, director of 12 Monkeys, Brazil). I am not too crazy about Chris Columbus, though I can see how they would choose him. I was thinking: Dumbledore: Anthony Hopkins Quirrell: Antony Sher or Jonathan Pryce Snape: Alan Rickman Prof. McGonagall: Maggie Smith Nearly Headless Nick: Eric Idle From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed May 17 03:05:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1329 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1327] What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/16/00 11:05 pm (ET) Who should direct: TIM BURTON is the best director for the job. STEVEN SPIELBERG and M. NIGHT SHYAMALAN (The Sixth Sense) may do a great job on it as well. Who should act: HALEY JOEL OSMENT will be able to pull off the role of Harry Potter. I have no doubt about that. For the other roles: GLENN CLOSE or MIRANDA RICHARDSON as McGonagall SIR RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH as Dumblemore ROWAN ATKINSON as Snape JAKE LLOYD as Draco Malfoy MARTIN SHORT as Quirrell KEVIN KLINE or JOHN LITHGOW as Lockhart ERIC IDLE or RHYS IFANS (Spike from "Notting Hill") as Filch ROBBIE COLTRANE as Uncle Vernon JANE HORROCKS as Aunt Petunia SAM NEILL as Lupin WILLEM DAFOE as Sirius Black JOHN CLEESE as Sir Cadogan From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 03:55:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:55:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1330 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1329] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/16/00 11:55 pm (ET) You know, even though this has been discussed numerous times, I have to say thank you for suggesting John Cleese for Sir Cadogan. It made me realize that HE was who I had been hearing in my head while reading the story. I think it must have been from watching Monty Python & the Holy Grail. ;) Jen From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed May 17 04:25:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:25:00 -0400 Subject: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1331 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1319] Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Date: 5/17/00 12:25 am (ET) What about all the ghosts at Hogwarts? They're certainly still around even though they are dead. Danemead >>Also, Rowling has made the point a number of >>times that once one is dead that is it: There >>will be no disembodies Dumbledore's saying "Use >>the Force, Harry!" harry will have to draw on >>his own power and strength, and perhaps will >>find other allies to take the place of >>Dumbledore. From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed May 17 06:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:07:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1332 From: Danemead Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1330] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 2:07 am (ET) I LOVE Sir Cadogan! I hope he appears in future books. There is a definite Monty-Python aura around him. You gotta love someone who is so bravely inept! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 17 10:57:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:57:00 -0400 Subject: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1333 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1331] Re: Okay: My Theory about Book Four.... Date: 5/17/00 6:57 am (ET) "What about all the ghosts at Hogwarts? They're certainly still around even though they are dead." This is true, and I think that Rowling was referring more to how she will not be bringing any of the dead back to life. Once you have crossed over, that is it. She has also hinted that in future books we will find out why people become ghosts. The main hint was that those who become ghosts are likely to have been unhappy (ie: Moaning Myrtle). I miagine Dumbledore as being one who will meet his death with some peace, even if it is untimely. I don't think he will become a ghost. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Wed May 17 16:42:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:42:00 -0400 Subject: Who's Gonna Die in Book 4... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1334 From: angelx_ph Subject: Who's Gonna Die in Book 4... Date: 5/17/00 12:42 pm (ET) Rowling has mentioned someone's gonna die in Book 4 and it would a teacher plus it's character we love. Most likely, I may be wrong but, it could very well be Dumblemore. Killing him off would make a more dramatic turn and would affect a lot of people and shake things up in the book series. IMO, anyway. From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 17 16:53:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:53:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1335 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1329] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 12:53 pm (ET) angelx_ph, Those are some interesting choices you have cast in the movie. Only a few things: Richard Attenborough is too chubby to be Dumbledore. I suggest someone thinner but equally distinquished. Perhaps Donald Sutherland or Patrick McNee. The person who plays Uncle Vernon should also be the one that played Uncle Vernon's sister (ie - in drag). Robbie Coltrane is too likeable. I think that Robbie would make a better Hagrid (not cast). Actually, another good choice for Hagrid is Brian Blessed (Him in Black Adder I sticks in my head). You are right on the money with Rowan Atkinson as Snape. He'd be just perfect. And you are right that Tim Burton should do the movie. There has to be something surreal about Hogwards. Something that was almost from the set of Sleepy Hollow. Great choices, Vikar25 From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed May 17 18:00:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: Anagrams for Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1336 From: Danemead Subject: Anagrams for Draco Malfoy Date: 5/17/00 2:00 pm (ET) Somewhere I remember reading a message about someone thinking Draco Malfoy was a really odd name, and maybe it meant something re-arranged, like Tom Marvolo Riddle meant "I am Lord Voldemort". So I went to AnagramGenius http://www.AnagramGenius.com/ and stuck in "Draco Malfoy." Most of the anagrams were meaningless. I am assuming Draco has a middle name which we don't know -- which would greatly increase the chances of having a significant anagram. However, the longest WORDS that can be made of the letters (but not using ALL the letters) include : amoral, malodor, and malady (also 'carload' for that matter!). It's a fun website to visit -- they e-mail a long list of anagrams to you, usually within an hour or so. Danemead From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Wed May 17 19:20:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1337 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1329] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 3:20 pm (ET) Chris Columbus is directing...*hmmm* I just hope he just tries to make a good movie, instead trying to make a "high grossing family film"... Whoever mentioned Alan Rickman...good call!! Miranda Richardson is McGonagall...I don't know who he could play, but I just thought of Alan Cumming, (from Cabaret)...He should definitely be in it he could pull off any number of roles.. And if only that kid from Malcolm in the Middle, were younger, he'd be the perfect Harry!! Just thought of who could play Hermione, has anyone that that cute little girl in McDonald's commericial,t he one who counts fries out?? If she's old enough, now she's definitely got the hair!! ;-) From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 17 22:44:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:44:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1338 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1329] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 6:44 pm (ET) The director has already been chosen -- Chris Columbus. Spielberg opted out of the HP movie because he wanted to cast Haley Joel Osment in the role of Harry, but Warner Bros., JKR and others involved want to cast an unknown British actor in the role. I agree with Warner Bros & JKR on that one! Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 17 22:47:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:47:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1339 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1337] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 6:47 pm (ET) No American actors please! I really believe it should be an all British cast. At a minimum, the Americans should only get the more minor roles (IMO). :--) Penny From davehoz at yahoo.com Wed May 17 22:55:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:55:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1340 From: davehoz Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1338] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 6:55 pm (ET) IMHO Speilburg would have been a disaster: He would have depended on special effects and probably wanted to Americanize everything. Here are my cast choices: Hermione: Brittney Irvin (Played Nan in the TV show LITTLE MEN) Dumbledore: Sean Connery (At first glance he seems too macho, but my dad says his recent typecasting in "James Bond"-type roles belies his versitility as an actor... BTW if there are any Douglas Adams fans here I understand Connery is on the short list to play Dumbledore's possible long-lost twin, Slartibartfast.) Hagrid: Brian Blessed Prof. McGonagall: Maggie Smith (with her "Miss Jane Brodie" Scottish accent) Prof. Flitwick: Billy Barty Prof. Sprout: Angela Lansbury Snape: Nigel Hawthorne Quirrell: Derek Jacobi (Best stutterer in British drama) Filch: Chris Barrie (I know some people like John Cleese in this role but I see Filch with flaring nostrils and a voice that's "67% more wavily") Peeves: Eric Idle Sir Cadogan: John Cleese (Good suggestion, angelx_ph!) From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu May 18 03:31:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1341 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1340] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/17/00 11:31 pm (ET) IMO, Maggie Smith would be too old as McGonagall (I always picture McGonagall as a middle-aged woman). From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 12:46:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:46:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1342 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1341] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/18/00 8:46 am (ET) As much as I like Maggie Smith, she would not live long enough to make 7 years worth of movies. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 18 13:54:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:54:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1343 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1342] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/18/00 9:54 am (ET) Are people here familiar with Antony Sher? In Her majesty Mrs. Brown, he played Disraeli (sp?. Check it out: fantastic facial bones, and although you wouldn't know it from this film, he is great at playing villians. I know of his work through his spectacular performance on stage as Richard III (RSC, 1986) He played the role on crutches, but very acrobaticly, scuttling across the stage like a giant spider. He has a great voice. Very sinister, yet funny in the right places. I think he would be a kickin' Quirrell. I like Derek Jacobi, but alas that stutter would only make me think of I, Claudius. Has anyone thought of Simon Callow? What part could he fit into? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 18 16:36:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:36:00 -0400 Subject: What about the upcoming movie?? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1344 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1343] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/18/00 12:36 pm (ET) rainy_lilac, I remember Antony Sher from Mrs. Brown. He was a great Disraeli. I can see your point. Derek Jacobi's studder makes me think of "Dead Again". Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 18 16:59:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Interesting rumor regarding the lawsuit Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1345 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Interesting rumor regarding the lawsuit Date: 5/18/00 12:59 pm (ET) I found this at the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club's news page: "Kate informs us: There is a rumor that Nancy Stouffer has or will drop the law suit on JK Rowling. Due to the amount of letters and e-mails from at least 600 people, she has finally given up the battle of the authors. "Nancy Stouffer has had a lot of presure from numerous people about the lawsuit," says a anonymous person working on the legal terms of the lawsuit, "she is just a person who is standing up for the rights of her book, but the author she's sueing has been on many best seller lists around the world. Such a situation would put a person in a awkward position. There is a large possibility she will drop the lawsuit." Has anyone else heard this? I am glad that Stouffer at least has some inkling that this is a pointless lawsuit, even if she still does not appear to get it that nobody is violating her rights and that her ideas are completely different from Rowlings. Have people here written in to Stouffer to express their displeasure at her actions? (Politely, of course!) Perhaps a subtle hint that she is not earning the audience she desires for her "work" might persuade her. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Fri May 19 07:50:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:50:00 -0400 Subject: Some Questions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1346 From: angelx_ph Subject: Some Questions... Date: 5/19/00 3:50 am (ET) 1. Why do the Dursleys always allow Harry back to their house despite the fact that they are ashamed/afraid of him? 2. On the same note, why do they (Dumblemore, et. al.) always send Harry back to the Dursleys every summer even though they are aware that they mistreat him? Why can't Harry stay with the Weasleys or the Grangers? 3. Do you people think Snape will change for the better or for the worse? Personally, I don't think Snape is at all a bad guy. I think he's carrying a grudge that goes deeper than just being the victim of pranks. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Fri May 19 07:55:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:55:00 -0400 Subject: Some "Harry Potter" Movie Rumors... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1347 From: angelx_ph Subject: Some "Harry Potter" Movie Rumors... Date: 5/19/00 3:55 am (ET) I read somewhere that LIAM AIKEN (the kid from "Stepmom" and the current film "I Dreamed of Africa") is campaigning to play Harry Potter in the movie. Considering he has already previously worked with the director, Chris Columbus (he directed him in "Stepmom"), I think he has a decent shot (that is, if J.K. Rowling would give him chance). What are your opinions on this? For those of you who may doubt Chris Columbus's qualification to direct the film version, I'd like to inform you that he also wrote "Gremlins" and an animated fantasy film called "Little Nemo" so I think he may be well-versed in balancing dark, twisted humor with innocent childhood fantasies. Just a bit of info. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 19 15:02:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1348 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1347] Some "Harry Potter" Movie Rumors... Date: 5/19/00 11:02 am (ET) If this kid is American, the answer is no, no, no, no, no..... The casting agency is ONLY considering children who are British. From ggbickerson at yahoo.com Fri May 19 16:44:00 2000 From: ggbickerson at yahoo.com (ggbickerson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: Some Questions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1349 From: ggbickerson Subject: Re: Some Questions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1346] Some Questions... Date: 5/19/00 12:44 pm (ET) Well, the Dursley's are Harry's guardians...I would think they don't want their highclass friends to think LESS of them for shunning him, maybe? I mean, don't the Dursleys want to appear to be saintly for taking in this poor orphaned nephew of theirs? I always wonder why Harry never stayed at Hogwarts on summer vacation. In the second book, he ended up leaving the Dursley's early when the Weasley's broke him out in the flying car and then in the third book he ran away. So one way or another, he has left the Dursley's abruptly. So, perhaps for the dramatics? To keep the Dursleys a working part of the story? Had we never seen or heard from them again, it would be difficult for the author to bring them back into the story later if she needed too. Anyway, just a few thoughts on your questions. I don't know if there really are any answers. Just keeps the reader's wondering interest. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 19 17:39:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Some Questions... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1350 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Some Questions... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1349] Re: Some Questions... Date: 5/19/00 1:39 pm (ET) One of the rumors going around is that there is a good reason why Dumbledore left Harry with the Dursleys and that wee will discover more later. I cannot for the life of me think about what that reason might be: his treatment at the Dursleys has always struck me as at best abusive, at worst truly dangerous. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Fri May 19 18:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1351 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1348] Re: Some Date: 5/19/00 2:08 pm (ET) Hi: <If this kid is American, the answer is no, no, no, no, no..... The casting agency is ONLY considering children who are British.> Thank Goodness!!! Penny (who favors a wholly British cast) From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri May 19 22:54:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1352 From: estesrandy Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1341] Re: What about the upcoming movie?? Date: 5/19/00 6:54 pm (ET) How about Tracey Ullman as Professor McGonagall? Patrick Stewart as Dumbledore? Pierce Brosnan as Prof. Lockhart. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri May 19 23:02:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:02:00 -0400 Subject: Snape Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1353 From: estesrandy Subject: Snape Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/19/00 7:02 pm (ET) I think Jeremy Irons would make an excellent Professor Snape. IMHO. From davehoz at yahoo.com Fri May 19 23:12:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1354 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/19/00 7:12 pm (ET) Tracey Ullman could probably do McGonagall, Sprout, Hooch, Pomfrey, Moaning Myrtle, *and* Lockhart! From estesrandy at yahoo.com Fri May 19 23:36:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:36:00 -0400 Subject: Quiz #10 Whatizit? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1355 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Quiz #10 Whatizit? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1311] Quiz #10 Whatizit? Date: 5/19/00 7:36 pm (ET) By the way. Noone has correctly answered all 12 questions yet. There is still time to take Quiz # 10 and win the big prize! Remember, we've still got boxes of books written by Professor Lockhart to give away! Email your entries to estesrandy at yahoo.com From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Fri May 19 23:52:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: ACK! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1356 From: darwin_nyc Subject: ACK! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/19/00 7:52 pm (ET) Good good good suggestions! I'm not too sure about Patrick Stewart, at least not in that role, but I love the idea of Tracey Ullman doing ANYTHING in this movie. Brosnan doesn't really fit the book's description of Lockhart, but he could do a rockdahouse job with it anyway. From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Sat May 20 01:18:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:18:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1357 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1354] Re: Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/19/00 9:18 pm (ET) <<<<Tracey Ullman could probably do McGonagall, Sprout, Hooch, Pomfrey, Moaning Myrtle, *and* Lockhart!>>>> LOL Yes she probably could!!! I've heard someone mention her for Professor Trelawney. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat May 20 02:41:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:41:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1358 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/19/00 10:41 pm (ET) I think Pierce Brosnan will be better as Lupin. Lockhart, I think, should be played by either John Lithgow or Kevin Kline (both of whom can do excellent British accents) since no one can play big pompous blowhards better than these two. Ullman as McGonagall? Could be but I always see Trelawney since Tracey Ullman is a comedian and Trelawney can be a potentially funny character. Miranda Richardson or Glenn Close is more suited as McGonagall, IMO. From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat May 20 09:27:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1359 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1348] Re: Some Date: 5/20/00 5:27 am (ET) CORRECTION: I read somewhere (J.K. Rowling may have said it herself) that the casting agency is looking for someone who can do a flawless British accent. The kid from "Stepmom" has the right look, the right age and the acting chops for the role. The question is whether or not he can do a flawless, genuine British accent not whether or not he's British per se. If you're really looking for British kids, what do you think of the kid from "Angela's Ashes", Joe Breen? From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat May 20 13:04:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: Quiz #10 Has a Winner ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1360 From: estesrandy Subject: Quiz #10 Has a Winner ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1311] Quiz #10 Whatizit? Date: 5/20/00 9:04 am (ET) The winner of Quiz # 10 Whatizit is Jen P. 97. The correct answers are listed below: 1. Phoenix 2. Animagi 3. Dumbledore's pocket watch 4. Boggart 5. Necklace of Opals 6. Crookshanks 7. Dumbledore's Scar 8. Gobstones 9. Pocket Sneakoscope 10. Marauder's Map Extra Credit- 11. Pansy Parkinson ( nobody got this one, not even my wife who has memorized these books) Extra Extra Credit- 12. The Monster Book OF Monsters From estesrandy at yahoo.com Sat May 20 13:16:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:16:00 -0400 Subject: Tracey Ullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1361 From: estesrandy Subject: Tracey Ullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #1358] Re: Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/20/00 9:16 am (ET) Okay ! I think Tracey Ullman should play both Professor McGonagall and Professor Trelawney! This would be perfect for her because McGonagall doesn't like Trelawney and she could play two completely different people and be able to make comments about the other character during the movie. Brosnan would make a better Lupin on second thought. I just thought he had the dashing good looks of Lockhart. I think Robin Williams would make an excellent Hagrid even though he's not from the UK. I think he could easily do the accent and he has the crazy personality that would fit well with the man who takes care of strange creatures. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 15:16:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:16:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1362 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 11:16 am (ET) I just loaded an image I found on the Web into the club photos area. Publishers must have the cover painting ready well ahead of publication date to get everything ready and I think this may be it. Perhaps it is just a promotional poster. So far the covers have always had something to do with the book and there are some interesting details on this one. Who are those other people? Is that an egg Harry is holding? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat May 20 17:14:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1363 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1359] Re: Some Date: 5/20/00 1:14 pm (ET) Joe Breen? Possible.... I wish I knew about more child actors in Britian. Hey, what about that Australian girl who was in "The Piano" to play Hermione? Would she be old enough now? What I heard was that the castign agency would consider professional adult actors with experience doing accents, but wanted children who were actually British. Last casting call I read they emphasized no fake accents. The rumor also was that they expected to cast unknowns. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sat May 20 17:16:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:16:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1364 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1362] Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 1:16 pm (ET) Oooh! That is intriguing!! And who is that veiled girl standing behind him, and the two other guys standing back to back? A dragon's egg, mayhap? From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 17:28:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1365 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1364] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 1:28 pm (ET) I just uploaded a larger version of the cover that I got from Amazon.com. It looks to me that the girl isn't veiled but simply has very light blonde hair. In addition to the two guys in the background, there looks like a large cat and a dementor on the right hand side and, perhaps, the legs of a giant spider on the right. What is it in the foreground? Something thorny? A dragon's back perhaps? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 17:39:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:39:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1366 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/20/00 1:39 pm (ET) estesrandy, Ullman, Brilliant! Stewart, Too young. Brosnan, Perfect! Regards, Vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat May 20 18:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1367 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1359] Re: Some Date: 5/20/00 2:40 pm (ET) Hi: <If you're really looking for British kids, what do you think of the kid from "Angela's Ashes," Joe Breen?> You know I took note of that actor when I saw that movie a few months ago. Great Irish accent, but I don't see him as Harry. His appearance just doesn't seem right to me. Something tells me I may not be happy with whatever choice is made though, since I have a clear image of what Harry should be. Less clear image of Ron & Hermione, although I do have some basic thoughts. Penny From pt4ever at yahoo.com Sat May 20 18:58:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1368 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1365] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 2:58 pm (ET) >>> In addition to the two guys in the background, there looks like a large cat and a dementor on the right hand side and, perhaps, the legs of a giant spider on the right. >>> I don't think it's a cat. Isn't it a dog -- probably Sirius Black? :) I believe one of the rumors about Book IV is that Harry will have contact with Sirius. Are Hagrid and Ron in the background? I think it might be them, but I'm not sure. I don't know why, but Harry looks weird to me...and why is the bridge his glasses still held together with tape? Didn't Mr. Weasley fix them in PoA? (After Harry got back from Knockturn Alley or whatever it was called?) Just some random thoughts from me...and personally, I think Patrick Stewart would make a great Dumbledore! Incidentally, I had a funny thought last night...would it be hilarious if the guy who played Mini-Me on Austin Powers II was Professor Flitwick? I don't know if he could do a British accent, but it would be hilarious! -- JoAnna From b_drey at yahoo.com Sat May 20 20:38:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1369 From: b_drey Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1365] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 4:38 pm (ET) I have a very large monitor at work - it's a black dog on the right - could be Sirius Black (or a grim). The man on the left if shifty and thuggy looking - the one on the right looks pleasant but neutral. The girl looks mysterious and like a siren. Barbara From b_drey at yahoo.com Sat May 20 20:41:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1370 From: b_drey Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1369] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 4:41 pm (ET) Also, it looks like a crowd of people behind the dementor - a quiddich audience? Barbara From b_drey at yahoo.com Sat May 20 20:42:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1371 From: b_drey Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1368] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 4:42 pm (ET) doesn't Ron have red hair? B. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 20:54:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:54:00 -0400 Subject: Quiz #10 Has a Winner ! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1372 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Quiz #10 Has a Winner ! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1360] Quiz #10 Has a Winner ! Date: 5/20/00 4:54 pm (ET) Hmmm.... Okie dokie, folks, I'll think up a new quiz and pass it out on Monday. BTW, we're going to go back to the quotes - I miss them. :) Jen From smitster1 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 21:56:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:56:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1373 From: smitster1 Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1368] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 5:56 pm (ET) Looks like a dog to me. I noticed the tape on the glasses as well. That shouldn't be. They were fixed! The wand also looks MUCH longer than 13 1/2 inches. That one looks at least 18. The guy on the left doesn't look very nice. Perhaps Draco. He also looks to have a single brow. Did we have a good description of Prof. Trelawney's hair? At first I though about her since she is small. But then I reread--she has large glasses. Also, I added the picture Amazon UK is using with Book #4. No help from this picture. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Sat May 20 21:58:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1374 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1371] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 5:58 pm (ET) Yes. Weasley's all have bright red hair so the boy on the right can't be Ron. I suspect that the boy and the girl are characters we haven't met yet. There are rumors about a girl called Icicle and this girl has light enough colors to be called that. I'll even accept the shifty man being Sirius Black and the creature on the right being a large dog... though a black panther with its ears laid back... From davehoz at yahoo.com Sat May 20 22:08:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1375 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1362] Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 6:08 pm (ET) >Who are those other people? Could the blonde girl be the mysterious cousin of the Weasleys that we've been hearing rumors about? From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 20 23:03:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1376 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1352] Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/20/00 7:03 pm (ET) How about Cary Elwes as Lockhart? He starred in Princess Bride and Robin Hood Men in Tights...besides, as he proclaimed in Robin Hood..."unlike some other Robin Hoods, *I* can speak with a British Accent!" .. I think he could pass for the self absorbed type norevoli From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Sat May 20 23:10:00 2000 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:10:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall and Book 4 Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1377 From: DaughteroftheDust Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall and Book 4 Reply To: [Yahoo! #1376] Re: Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/20/00 7:10 pm (ET) I think Cary Elwes would be perfect as Lockhart!! Besides, he needs the work... And sorry, I have to disagree with Ulman as McGonagall. I don't think she can be imposing enough...I'm still stuck on Miranda Richardson. As for the new cover, what or who is that hooded figure on the right of the "...2000" sign?? From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 20 23:52:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:52:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1378 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1374] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 7:52 pm (ET) I know that when I surf some of those Harry Potter fan pages they usually mention some person name davey gudgeon (was this the doode that almost lost an eye from the whooping willow??) Maybe that shifty guy could be the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Hmm for DADA we've had one of Voldemort's servants a self absorbed smarmy and a dear friend of James Potter who happens to be a were wolf What will we have next?? maybe someone who can if us alittle more insight on the Potters .. especially Lily... I'm betting that the chick with the blonde hair is Iscicle... the creature on the left could be Argog and the right could be Sirius From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:11:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:11:00 -0400 Subject: Proffessor McGonagall Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1379 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Proffessor McGonagall Reply To: [Yahoo! #1376] Re: Proffessor McGonagall Date: 5/20/00 10:11 pm (ET) I totally agree with you! Why didn't I think of him? From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:12:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:12:00 -0400 Subject: Some Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1380 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Some Reply To: [Yahoo! #1363] Re: Some Date: 5/20/00 10:12 pm (ET) She's too old now. She's 17. Her name is Anna Paquin (she's co-starring in the big-screen version of "X-Men" now) From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:29:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:29:00 -0400 Subject: Tracey Ullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1381 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: Tracey Ullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #1361] Tracey Ullman Date: 5/20/00 10:29 pm (ET) <I think Robin Williams would make an excellent Hagrid even though he's not from the UK. I think he could easily do the accent and he has the crazy personality that would fit well with the man who takes care of strange creatures. > Yes, thats who I thought of as Hagrid. He just seems to fit Hagrids personality From m4mitchell at yahoo.com Sun May 21 02:50:00 2000 From: m4mitchell at yahoo.com (m4mitchell at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:50:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1382 From: m4mitchell Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1378] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/20/00 10:50 pm (ET) Or the girl could be the Grey Lady (Ravenclaw ghost). She looks like a ghost, IMO. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 21 04:58:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1383 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1373] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/21/00 12:58 am (ET) "The guy on the left doesn't look very nice. Perhaps Draco. He also looks to have a single brow." Nah. Draco was described in Book III as having silvery blonde hair. From Danemead at yahoo.com Sun May 21 05:07:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:07:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1384 From: Danemead Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1382] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/21/00 1:07 am (ET) Maybe it's Harry's new girlfriend. Everyone assumes it's going to be Cho Chang, but maybe JKR will surprise us. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 21 13:24:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:24:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1385 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Book IV Cover? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1384] Re: Book IV Cover? Date: 5/21/00 9:24 am (ET) We know that a new female character will be introduced and that she will be in Rowling's words, "interesting." Rumor has it that she will be evil, and I have heard another rumor that Harry will be smitten by her, although Rowling has hinted that we have already met the girl he will be attracted to. I can't think of any character we have met who looks like that little blonde girl-- it must be her. But the two men behind Harry? Geeez... I don't know who they can be at all. I agree the guy on the left looks surly. I think the dog is Sirius. I think on the left we can see part of Aragog. I heard rumors that both would be returning. Hmmm... there is alsoa dementor way in the background. Personally I am not crazy about this picture of Harry. His expression seems all wrong, and he looks like a child rather than a young man. From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Sun May 21 15:18:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:18:00 -0400 Subject: Tracey Ullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1386 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Tracey Ullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #1381] Re: Tracey Ullman Date: 5/21/00 11:18 am (ET) << <I think Robin Williams would make an excellent Hagrid even though he's not from the UK. I think he could easily do the accent and he has the crazy personality that would fit well with the man who takes care of strange creatures. > Yes, thats who I thought of as Hagrid. He just seems to fit Hagrids personality.>> I keep picturing Robin Williams as Peeves! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sun May 21 18:03:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: Robin Williams Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1387 From: melaniem68 Subject: Robin Williams Reply To: [Yahoo! #1386] Re: Tracey Ullman Date: 5/21/00 2:03 pm (ET) <<< <I think Robin Williams would make an excellent Hagrid even though he's not from the UK. I think he could easily do the accent and he has the crazy personality that would fit well with the man who takes care of strange creatures. > Yes, thats who I thought of as Hagrid. He just seems to fit Hagrids personality.>> I keep picturing Robin Williams as Peeves! > He'd be good in either, but I've always pictured him as Quirrell. He'd be great with the stuttering, and the dual Quirrell/Voldemort voices. From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Sun May 21 18:03:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Subject: Tracey Ullman Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1388 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Tracey Ullman Reply To: [Yahoo! #1386] Re: Tracey Ullman Date: 5/21/00 2:03 pm (ET) <I keep picturing Robin Williams as Peeves! > Paul Merton! PAUL MERTON, I SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Sun May 21 20:14:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:14:00 -0400 Subject: Paul Merton and msg for rainy_lilac Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1389 From: morrigan09 Subject: Re: Paul Merton and msg for rainy_lilac Reply To: [Yahoo! #1388] Re: Tracey Ullman Date: 5/21/00 4:14 pm (ET) Are we talking about the same Paul Merton here? the deadpan British comedian type? I can't see it at all-- Peeves should be someone completely hyper. Robin Williams, much as I loathe him, would actually work well here. And I think JKR must almost have had Alan Rickman in mind when she wrote Snape-- he's so perfect for it... Oh, and rainy_lilac, I tried to send you a message but I'm not sure it worked. Thanks for your kind words on my stories anyway. My email's niamh.n at talk21.com if you want to chat at all. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 21 20:32:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:32:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1390 From: rainy_lilac Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/21/00 4:32 pm (ET) Is anyone here familiar with the Myers-Briggs system of personality testing? It is a great way to understand more about your temperment and what makes you "tick". Last night I had some time on my hands and went through the four "temperments" and sixteen personality "types" and began to doodle on how these corresponded with the temperments we Harry Potter fans have come to associate with the four houses at Hogwarts: Hufflepuff, Ravensclaw, Slytherin, and Gryffindor. The sorting hat is interesting in that it does seem to be thinking about what each child's temperment is and what "style" will most contribute to their success, so I thought these correspondences to be interesting. First, to avoid rehashing everything here, read the following about the four temperments and then the sixteen "types": http://www.personalitypage.com/four-prefs.html and http://www.personalitypage.com/high-level.html Then, if you want to take the test, go to: http://www.personalitypage.com/indicate.html What I came up with in sorting all these "types" according to house was the following. (These are very general, and I went according to my own gut feeling, not spending too much time on it. The letters will make sense once you read the links): Hufflepuff: ISTJ, ISTP, ISFJ, ISFP Ravensclaw: INFP, INTJ, INTP, INFJ Slytherin: ESTP, ENTP, ENTJ, ESTP Gryffindor: ESFJ, ENFP, ENFJ, ESFP My reasons were as follows: I figured that Slytherin and Gryffindor seemed to be the more "extroverted" houses in the books (I and E above indicate "introverted" and "extroverted" respectively), while Hufflepuffs with their quiet loyalty and Ravenclaws with their love of scholarship, seemed more tempermentally "introverted". Some of the "introverted" descriptions seemed to emphasize loyalty, others emphasized the intellect. I divided those into Hufflepuff and Ravensclaw respectively. In the extroverted catagory, I noticed that some descriptions emphasized idealism and putting the interests of others ahead of oneself-- I tended to sort these in Gryffindor. Others appeared to emphasize ambition, socializing, the life of the senses, etc. I tended to put these sensation-seekers in Slytherin. I don't know about thes rest of you, but I think there is a real correspondence here. I am very intrigued by this. I would love to hear other thoughts! If anyone else takes the test, let us know your results. I came out as ENFP (The Idealist-Advocate): Gryffindor. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 21 20:51:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:51:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1391 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1390] The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/21/00 4:51 pm (ET) Hufflepuff: ISTJ, ISTP, ISFJ, ISFP Ravensclaw: INFP, INTJ, INTP, INFJ Slytherin: ESTP, ENTP, ENTJ, ESTJ Gryffindor: ESFJ, ENFP, ENFJ, ESFP I would love to have others thoughts on these-- I kind of sorted them slapdash, so let me know what you think! From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun May 21 21:39:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1392 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Book IV Cover Date: 5/21/00 5:39 pm (ET) Hi: I think the guy on the left is Snape -- he's described as having a hook nose. I think the guy on the right is *supposed* to be Ron, but they've screwed up and gotten the hair color wrong. Do the artists who do the cover art actually read the books? These are the same people who have Hermione red hair on the cover of Book III. Perhaps the image I found on amazon isn't very good but I don't see a dog at all. Skimmel, where did you get a clear image? I think Harry's expression is very weird!! I don't like this cover at all!! Let's hope Bloomsbury has come up with something better for the Brit cover. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sun May 21 21:40:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:40:00 -0400 Subject: Oops -- Typo Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1393 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Oops -- Typo Date: 5/21/00 5:40 pm (ET) <These are the same people who have Hermione red hair on the cover of Book III.> Uh, that was supposed to be *gave* Hermione red hair -- typing too fast for my own good. Penny From christineoswell at yahoo.com Sun May 21 22:34:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:34:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1394 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1391] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/21/00 6:34 pm (ET) I've done this test before, it's amazing how accurate it can be! I am an INFP, which puts me in Ravensclaw. I think I could live with that.... From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 21 22:51:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:51:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1395 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1394] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/21/00 6:51 pm (ET) I thought mine was really accurate. By the way, I sorted these "types" into their houses kind of slap-dash. What do others think? Would you change any of them around? Keywords I looked for were: loyalty (Hufflepuff), intellect (Ravensclaw), Social and sensual (Slytherin), Idealistic and altruistic (Gryffindor). I think if we get these sorted right, we will indeed have a real sorting hat! From b_drey at yahoo.com Mon May 22 00:43:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:43:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1396 From: b_drey Subject: Re: Book IV Cover Reply To: [Yahoo! #1392] Book IV Cover Date: 5/21/00 8:43 pm (ET) Greetings, Penny-- I looked at the cover on my giant screen at work and could clearly see a labrador or mastiff-type dog head - you know - black and sort of square with "down" ears. I checked the picture on my piddly computer at home and that area of the cover was barely visible! It's amazing what a couple of thousand bucks will do. The guy on the left does have a malevolent expression - but I just can't see Snape with a unibrow and an unintelligent look. I, too, was taken with the change in Harry's appearance from the covers of the 1st 3 books to this one - he looks much younger and "cuter" in a Disney sort of way (not more handsome, but more appealing and cuddly). Also, I think it's interesting that the Brit cover has the scar in a different location that the Yank version. Barbara From b_drey at yahoo.com Mon May 22 00:46:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:46:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1397 From: b_drey Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1390] The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/21/00 8:46 pm (ET) It's funny that that you put INTJs into Ravenclaw because that Harry site that had the Sorting Hat thing put me in Ravenclaw, too. Barbara From norevoli at yahoo.com Mon May 22 00:48:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1398 From: norevoli Subject: Just Curious Date: 5/21/00 8:48 pm (ET) Just Curious.... Which book covers are your favorites?? IMO, I really liked the American cover for book one and book two but I favour the UK cover for book three, I didn't like how they drew Buckbeak in the thrid (US version) as much as I liked the UK version. I also liked the author's rendition of a smokey grim-like dog on the back of the UK HP 3 cover They drew the dog (which we all now know to be Sirius Black) so that it looked almost a part of the fog But I have to say that I haven't really been satisfied with the pictures of Harry in either versions... it just doesn't seem like how I picture him in my head. Actually the Book 2 of UK has a picture with ron that totally does not match to what I would think he would look like (of course this is only because there's a kid at my highschool that really really really looks like Ron except that his hair is a blond-brown tone...) ... but then again this is what *I* perceive Ron and Harry to look like, it would be impossible to please everyone... the UK hermione isn't so bad, because most of her hair is in the way of her face, she's flying on buckbeak too. and has ANYONE figured out who that GUY is on the back of the UK philosopher's stone cover???? It's definately not Quirrel (no turban), or Fudge (no bowler, and not exactly pinstripped) or dumbledore (the hair isn't slivery and long) and once you're down with that question what's that thing that's bulgding out of his pocket???? oh...rambling... better go norevoli From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 01:49:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1399 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Book IV Cover Reply To: [Yahoo! #1392] Book IV Cover Date: 5/21/00 9:49 pm (ET) The "Dog" is just over Harry's left arm. However, I think I'm going back to my original theory. It looks like it has yellow eyes with black vertical slits for pupils... rather like a big cat. I don't think the boy on the right is a Weasley at all. While Hermione on the front of Prisoner had sort of dark reddish hair, the cover showing Weasley's, Chamber of Secrets, show them as having bright orange hair. Cutting these artists some slack for taking artistic license ... the cat in the window as we're flying out of the underground chamber of Secrets, they are obviously a reasonable amount of the detail. The mystery boy on the cover has an almost aristocratic air to him. Perhaps its that kid who was going to Eton before getting his Hogwarts letter. The picture makes him look older than Harry. The man on the left has a stealthy look. Not at all what I picture Snape looking like. My first thought when I saw him was that he was a healthy Sirius Black. From Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 01:52:00 2000 From: Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com (Skimmel_98 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:52:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1400 From: Skimmel_98 Subject: Re: Just Curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #1398] Just Curious Date: 5/21/00 9:52 pm (ET) If you would like I could put some of the covers from other countries in the photos area. The German, the Swedish and the Finnish are some of the better ones. By some odd stretch, the Icelandic cover for Philosopher's Stone actually makes Harry look like Dudley. From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Mon May 22 02:02:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious-book covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1401 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Just Curious-book covers Reply To: [Yahoo! #1398] Just Curious Date: 5/21/00 10:02 pm (ET) I must say I have not been wild about the way Harry is pictured on any of the US book covers....as I've said on another list, they make him look too much like Waldo in the "where's waldo" kids books...and he's just not *that* geeky. I know he's supposed to be skinny and awkward, but I picture him more like the Time magazine cover. I haven't looked closely at the cover art from the UK....maybe I'll delve into that a bit more. As for cover #4 what is the thing in his right hand...is it supposed to be his wand???? It looks more like a riding crop or something...seems too long to be a wand. cj From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 02:57:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1402 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1390] The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/21/00 10:57 pm (ET) You did quite a lot of work here, Barbara. If it's okay, I may utilize a few a few of these ideas in my own Sorting Hat quiz. I'd say, in my case, you're right on. I took the Myers-Briggs test about two or three years ago, and came out as INFJ (borderline w/INFP). And I would most definitly be a Ravenclaw I'm a little rusty with how each of the types work, but I sense I'm going to have a good time figuring out who's which type. From the activity of this thread, I suspect others have been doing the same. Melanie INFJ--Ravenclaw From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 03:08:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:08:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1403 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1402] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/21/00 11:08 pm (ET) <You did quite a lot of work here, Barbara.> Sorry, I meant Rainy Lilac. I read the name on the wrong post. From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 03:24:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:00 -0400 Subject: Editions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1404 From: smitster1 Subject: Editions Date: 5/21/00 11:24 pm (ET) This is completely off topic. But after seeing an auction for a first edition Book #3, I was curious about these numbers. How does one determine which edition of a book he or she has? For my h/c Book #3 I see this: 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 9/9 0/0 1 2 3 4 Printed in U.S.A 37 First American edition, October 1999 I think I was a little late to the Harry Potter Party since the first printing of Book #3 was probably September 1999. Just interested in how this works. Thanks. From davehoz at yahoo.com Mon May 22 04:44:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:44:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1405 From: davehoz Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1402] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 12:44 am (ET) I'm INFJ too, Melanie... I feel I've found a comrade! :) (INFJ is reportedly the rarest personality type of all!) When I took the test in college psychology, the professor emphasized the importance of the middle two letters... So I'd tend to sort according to those two: NT (Intuitive grasp of possibilities + Logic & analysis): Ravenclaw SF (Reliance on established "facts" + Warmth & compassion): Hufflepuff ST (Reliance on established "facts" + Logic & analysis: Slytherin NF (Intuitive grasp of possibilities + Warmth & compassion): Gryffindor ( BTW, NF's are supposed to be the best lovers... Just thought the single women on this list should know that... :) ) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 05:36:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:36:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1406 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1405] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 1:36 am (ET) Hmm... I turned out to be an INFJ, too... maybe Harry Potter tends to unite all of us, huh? ;) Jen (Married - and it looks like my husband's pretty lucky if that NF's make good lovers thing is true) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 05:39:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:39:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1407 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1406] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 1:39 am (ET) Oh, by the way, I went to the link that was posted in the original message, and it asked me to pay $3 (which I don't have - I'm totally broke), so I went and found a free version - it's the version my students take for one of their classes, actually. Here's the link. http://www.keirsey.com/cgi-bin/keirsey/newkts.cgi It's named differently, but the results are basically the same. Jen (today (the 22nd) is my birthday!) From smitster1 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 06:23:00 2000 From: smitster1 at yahoo.com (smitster1 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:23:00 -0400 Subject: Book #4 Anticipation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1408 From: smitster1 Subject: Book #4 Anticipation! Date: 5/22/00 2:23 am (ET) >From Monday's (22 May) NY Times, some info about Book 4's launch. (This link may work: http://www.nytimes.com/library/books/052200harry-potter.html) - Title kept secret - Cover kept secret - US Edition will have more pictures than Brit's - US nearly 700 pages (we have pictures!) - Brit. about 600 pages - No advanced reviews (prevent plot leeks) - A mock-up 9 3/4 platform will be made at King's Cross Station in London - J.K. will be signing books on a London train - Many US bookstores are planning midnight openings (which means we may be the first able to read the book!) - A New York Time's Square lighting at midnight From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon May 22 08:57:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 04:57:00 -0400 Subject: Latest Harry Potter Movie News! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1409 From: angelx_ph Subject: Latest Harry Potter Movie News! Date: 5/22/00 4:57 am (ET) Here is a news article I got off IMDb: Dancer Star Leads Chase For Harry Potter Role The young British star of new movie Dancer (2000) is set to scoop one of the most coveted roles in Hollywood - the lead in the first HARRY POTTER film. JAMIE BELL, 14, has been asked by producers of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001) to try out for the main role after impressing them with his performance in Dancer, which debuted at the CANNES FILM FESTIVAL last week. And Dancer director STEPHEN DALDRY believes Bell's got what it takes to make it big in the movies. He says, "Jamie has the charisma to hold the whole movie. He also has the special gift of being able to dance well enough to be trained by the Royal Ballet School." Auditions for the Harry Potter film, to be directed by CHRIS COLOMBUS, are already taking place at schools across Britain. ***IMO, he won't get the Harry Potter role because of his age (he's a tad too old), he may get a part as one of the older Weasley brothers or Oliver Wood perhaps*** From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 12:25:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:25:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1410 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1391] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/22/00 8:25 am (ET) I took the test this morning, and I am an ENFJ which would put me in Gryffindor. But when we all went to be sorted, the sorting hat made me a Slytherin. Gee, which one do I like best, do ya' think....? From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Mon May 22 12:56:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1411 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1407] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 8:56 am (ET) Hey, happy birthday, Jen! Thanks for posting that free test site. That's fascinating stuff. I'm an INFP. Interesting that most of us are at least "INF..." ~Karen From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 22 13:20:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: Book #4 Anticipation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1412 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Book #4 Anticipation! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1408] Book #4 Anticipation! Date: 5/22/00 9:20 am (ET) - A New York Time's Square lighting at midnight Hey Voicechicky, wanna go? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 13:37:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:37:00 -0400 Subject: Book #4 Anticipation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1413 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Book #4 Anticipation! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1412] Re: Book #4 Anticipation! Date: 5/22/00 9:37 am (ET) Sure - sounds like a plan. Of course you realize that Times Square will be totally mobbed! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 13:59:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1414 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1402] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 9:59 am (ET) "You did quite a lot of work here, Barbara. If it's okay, I may utilize a few a few of these ideas in my own Sorting Hat quiz." My name is Suzanne actually! :-) This HAS been a lot of fun! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 14:03:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:03:00 -0400 Subject: The Sorting Hat is singing! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1415 From: rainy_lilac Subject: The Sorting Hat is singing! Date: 5/22/00 10:03 am (ET) *chirpingly reading all the messages and revelling in being an ENFP* You guys, I think we have found a genuine and reliable sorting hat here! Wheee! Thank you for all of your valuable comments! I think I would like to put all of this togetehr into a webpage/message board: The Myers Briggs Sorting hat! Sincerely, Rainy Lilac, aka Suzanne Gryffindor From vikar25 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 14:07:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:07:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1416 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1414] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 10:07 am (ET) It's been so long since I took It but I remember my final result. INTP and the "I" was borderline. I forgot was the T stood for. I was for Introverted. N, I think, was for iNtuitive. T, I think, was for Thinker. P was for Perceiver. Anyway, it would be great if all we had to do was put on a hat then take a test of silly questions. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 14:07:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:07:00 -0400 Subject: I propose we all meet in NYC.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1417 From: rainy_lilac Subject: I propose we all meet in NYC.... Date: 5/22/00 10:07 am (ET) Let's do it! Anyone who can make it to NYC on July 7th, Midnight, please message me at rainy_lilac at hotmail.com. I live in Boston and I can manage to get down there! From vikar25 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 14:14:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1418 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1390] The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 10:14 am (ET) Looks like Ravenclaw for me. Regards, Vikar25 From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 15:27:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1419 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1410] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/22/00 11:27 am (ET) Rainy Lilac's definition puts me into Ravenclaw, while Dave's puts me into Hufflepuff. Hmmm, I've also used two randomly generated sorting hats, which insisted on putting me in Hufflepuff. I still see myself as a Ravenclaw, however. Hufflepuffs strike me as preferring physical labor, while my idea of a Ravenclaw prefers work that uses the mind. I definitely fall into the latter category. But, no matter how we put the "types" into houses, I'm sure someone will come up with exceptions. For example, I see Hermione as an ESTJ, which, I believe by both definitions, would put her in Slytherin. Yet she's a Gryffindor, and I'm always surprised she wasn't a Ravenclaw (must've been the "E"). Melanie From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Mon May 22 15:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:29:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious-book covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1420 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Just Curious-book covers Reply To: [Yahoo! #1401] Re: Just Curious-book covers Date: 5/22/00 11:29 am (ET) Hi: <I know he's supposed to be skinny and awkward, but I picture him more like the Time magazine cover.> That's the one I like too! Scholastic uses that version of Harry for the ad they ran at least once in Time Out New York magazine. I wonder why they use that one for their ads but continue to stick with other artist for the cover art (I can't remember her name). I've not been pleased with either the US covers or the Brit covers either, but the Brit covers are better (IMO). I definitely prefer the Time magazine/Scholastic ad version of Harry! Penny From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 15:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious-book covers Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1421 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Just Curious-book covers Reply To: [Yahoo! #1420] Re: Just Curious-book covers Date: 5/22/00 11:32 am (ET) <<I definitely prefer the Time magazine/Scholastic ad version of Harry!>> Well, since Scholastic will now be the US publisher, hopefully we'll have that version of Harry on the US covers now. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 15:41:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat... Typo... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1422 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1419] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/22/00 11:41 am (ET) The hat itself has made exceptions-- Harry could have been a good Slytherin, but his choices mattered. Sometimes the hat decides quickly; otehr times it takes awhile to decide. This is really important to remember. Personally I have always pegged Hermione as a Ravenclaw-- but then she does appear to have a drive to uphold very high and noble values which would make her well-suited for Gryffindor. She is also very ambitious, which would certainly make her well suited for Slytherin. From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 22 15:43:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:43:00 -0400 Subject: Book #4 Anticipation! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1423 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Book #4 Anticipation! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1413] Re: Book #4 Anticipation! Date: 5/22/00 11:43 am (ET) <Sure - sounds like a plan. Of course you realize that Times Square will be totally mobbed!> Young lady, I'll have you know that I was in Times Square on December 31st, 1999. To mobs, I say BRING EM ON! :^P From b_drey at yahoo.com Mon May 22 16:18:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1424 From: b_drey Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1402] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 12:18 pm (ET) Melanie - actually Rainy_Lilac did all that Myers Briggs work. B. From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 16:23:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:23:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1425 From: morrigan09 Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1411] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 12:23 pm (ET) Hmm, I did the test a few years ago and came out as a definite INFP. I think that NF's are generally supposed to have the wildest imaginations, (surely more likely to be attracted to fantasy-type literature) and I guess that I's are generally more likely to love reading, so it sort of makes sense that most of us fall into that category. But I didn't want to be in Gryffindor or Ravenclaw...*sulks* I wanted to be in Slytherin! Oh, and on the subject of the covers, I think the American covers are gorgeous. I don't really like the British covers as Harry has a very chubby face, especially on CoS. Not that I'm prejudiced against people with chubby faces or anything, I'm just quite sure that Harry doesn't have one. I have the first two books in German too, and their covers are kind of nice, in a surreal way. (Harry Potter has helped me no end with my German-- I know the English originals so well that I don't need a dictionary to read the translation. But it's really really bizarre to see Ron being sarcastic in German. They seem like different characters somehow.) From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 16:40:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:40:00 -0400 Subject: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1426 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1425] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 12:40 pm (ET) Morrigan, I think I just heard the sorting hat muttering "Put her in Slytherin.... put her in Slytherin!" You writing has a dark streak a mile long, and I love it! I am not so certain that NFs do not belong in Slytherin. I guess I don't see them as so much analytical as ambitious and sensational. Hehehehheheh, btw my email is rainy_lilac at hotmail.com From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 18:59:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1427 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Date: 5/22/00 2:59 pm (ET) Guess this is the 2nd time in two days I've had egg on my face. In my hurry to post before I had to go to work, I misquoted Dave. I don't normally post replies off the cuff, and now I remember why. Upon rereading Dave's post, I see his definition would put INFJs in Gryffindor, rather than Hufflepuff. Are you sure you didn't just want to be a Gryffindor yourself, Dave <G> I guess it's my own definition (somewhere between Suzanne's and Dave's) that would put me into Hufflepuff. I agree with Suzanne's assessment of putting Extraverts into Gryffindor or Slytherin (the two houses that demand and get the most attention), and Introverts into Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw. But I also agree with where Dave put the Thinkers and Feelers. So here's my definition: EF = Gryffindor ET = Slytherin IF = Hufflepuff IT = Ravenclaw Melanie INFJ, who has been put into all houses except Slytherin, but is a Ravenclaw at heart. From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 19:21:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:21:00 -0400 Subject: Jen's Birthday Quiz! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1428 From: jenP_97 Subject: Jen's Birthday Quiz! Date: 5/22/00 3:21 pm (ET) Okay, okay, I know I said earlier that I'd make MY quote quiz from the Brit editions, but that was before I loaned out my copy of CoS, and I haven't gotten it back yet. So! These are from the American versions... although my first quote is better from the brit. Heck, I know it by heart, let's make number one from the Brit edition. :) Rules (remember, I'm a teacher here): a. Tell me who said it, to whom it was said, and in which book it appears. b. Partial credit will be given. c. E-mail your answers to jenP_97 at yahoo.com d. time's up at 11:59pm Wed the 24th (or whenever someone answers them all correctly). e. This is not an open book quiz. :) Okay, now that we're re-familiarized with the rules, here we go! 1. "Right, you've got a wanky sort of cross..." (remember, from Brit edition) 2. "But I bounced -- all the way down the garden and into the road." 3. "Dear me, what's the use of being a disgrace to the name of wizard if they don't even pay you well for it?" 4. "I didn't realize it had to be so wet." 5. "I've seen you before! You bowed to me once in a shop!" 6. "She obviously makes more of an effort if you're not family." 7. "I'll leave you to deal with Potter and Weasley, shall I?" e.c. "You're fighting a losing battle there, dear." Okay, don't turn over your papers until everyone has one... ;) Jen jenP_97 at yahoo.com From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 19:25:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: Jen's Birthday Quiz! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1429 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: Jen's Birthday Quiz! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1428] Jen's Birthday Quiz! Date: 5/22/00 3:25 pm (ET) By the way, just because I said "I know it by heart" doesn't mean that quote number one is from my missing volume. :) Just wanted to clear that up before anyone started... Me again. From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Mon May 22 19:28:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Subject: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1430 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Reply To: [Yahoo! #1427] Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Date: 5/22/00 3:28 pm (ET) Ok, I was a ISTP Where did that put me? From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 19:32:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1431 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Reply To: [Yahoo! #1430] Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Date: 5/22/00 3:32 pm (ET) ISTP is Hufflepuff. You are "loyal and true" according to the Sorting Hat. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 20:07:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: Introverts and message boards Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1432 From: melaniem68 Subject: Introverts and message boards Reply To: [Yahoo! #1425] Re: The Myers-Briggs Sorting Hat! Date: 5/22/00 4:07 pm (ET) <I think that NF's are generally supposed to have the wildest imaginations, (surely more likely to be attracted to fantasy-type literature) and I guess that I's are generally more likely to love reading, so it sort of makes sense that most of us fall into that category.> Good call, Morrigan (I made sure this time to get the quote, and quoter right!). I think, also, that forums such as this would attract more I's than E's, with E's preferring the faster pace of a chat room. I suspect the more active posters are mostly E's, however. According to "Type Talk" by Otto Kroeger and Janet M. Thuesen, extroverts are more likely to think aloud and respond off the cuff. This would put them in their element in a chat room, where everything is in "real time". Introverts, on the other hand, prefer to formulate and compose wanting it to be "perfect and final" before it comes out of their mouths (or, in this case, keyboards). This is deadly in a chat room, where, by the time you've done this, the conversation has probably turned to something else. In a message board, on the other hand, you might see a message hours (or days) after it's been posted. If it's been less than two days, the thread is usually still active, and your reply will still be relevant. This message, for example, is being written in chunks, in between calls at work. Of course, there are other elements at work here, such as when you're able to be on the Internet and for how long. To test this theory, I'd like to pose these questions to those who have taken the MB test: 1) Did you turn up as an E or an I? 2) Suppose you could use the Internet any time you wanted to, for as long as you wanted. The catch is that you can use either chat rooms OR message boards, not both. Which would you choose? From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Mon May 22 21:11:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:11:00 -0400 Subject: I'm an ISFP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1433 From: darwin_nyc Subject: I'm an ISFP Date: 5/22/00 5:11 pm (ET) Hufflepuff, just like the other Sorting Hat said. I'm kind of bummed I'm not in with Harry and Ron, but oh well. At least I know I'm a - say it with me everybody - MUGGLE BORN HUFFLEPUFFER! From Danemead at yahoo.com Mon May 22 21:26:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:26:00 -0400 Subject: I'm an ISFP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1434 From: Danemead Subject: Re: I'm an ISFP Reply To: [Yahoo! #1433] I'm an ISFP Date: 5/22/00 5:26 pm (ET) Don't be sad, sir. We Hufflepuffers are the ones who tend the flowers on the graves of the Gryffindors (and even pull the weeds up out of the Slytherin graves, even if we have uncharitable thoughts while we're doing it!). I'm proud to be in Hufflepuff! Lower insurance rates! From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 22:06:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:06:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarification Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1435 From: melaniem68 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarification Reply To: [Yahoo! #1430] Re: The Meyers-Briggs Sorting Hat Date: 5/22/00 6:06 pm (ET) <Ok, I was a ISTP Where did that put me? > Like me, you could be in any of three houses, depending on whose definition you use. Suzanne's has you in Hufflepuff; Dave's has you in Slytherin; and mine has you in Ravenclaw. Darwin, however, is a Hufflepuff by all three definitions. Just to clarify, Dave and I both wrote our definitions with two letters, instead of all four. But each each of these two-letter definitions encompasses four types. To figure out where you are in these, just disregard the letters that don't apply. For example, NF covers ENFP, INFP, INFJ and ENFJ. Though Suzanne did list each of the 16 types, I noticed that in each of her houses, the types also shared two letters. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting a little tired of checking each post :), so I'll recap all three definitions here: Suzannne's: Gryffindor = EF (ESFJ, ENFJ, ESFP, ENFP) Ravenclaw = IN (INFJ, INTJ, INFP, INTP) Hufflepuff = IS (ISFJ, ISTJ, ISFP, ISTP) Slytherin = ET (ESTJ, ENTJ, ESTP, ENTP) Dave's: Gryffindor = NF (ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP, INFP) Ravenclaw = NT (ENTJ, INTJ, ENTP, INTP) Hufflepuff = SF (ESFJ, ISFJ, ESFP, ISFP) Slytherin = ST (ESTJ, ISTJ, ESTP, ISTP) Mine (Melanie's): Gryffindor = EF (ESFJ, ENFJ, ESFP, ENFP) Ravenclaw = IT (ISTJ, INTJ, ISTP, INTP) Hufflepuff = IF (ISFJ, INFJ, ISFP, INFP) Slytherin = ET (ESTJ, ENTJ, ESTP, ENTP) So far, Suzanne's seems to me as the most accurate. Let us know if you do post that web site. I'll certainly visit. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Mon May 22 22:17:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:17:00 -0400 Subject: The next thing we need to figure out.... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1436 From: rainy_lilac Subject: The next thing we need to figure out.... Date: 5/22/00 6:17 pm (ET) What would Harry's test results be? Hermione? Ron? Draco? I really want to do this website, and feature OUR sorting hat. I would like to also profile the major characters in the book. Everyone's input will help a great deal! Suzanne Gryffindor From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Mon May 22 23:46:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: The next thing we need to figure out Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1437 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: The next thing we need to figure out Reply To: [Yahoo! #1436] The next thing we need to figure out.... Date: 5/22/00 7:46 pm (ET) <What would Harry's test results be? Hermione? Ron? Draco?> As I said in an earlier post, I'd peg Hermione as an ESTJ, though if anyone disagrees or has other ideas, I'm open to them. For the others, I've picked out some, but not all letters. I'll post again when I have them more complete. From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Tue May 23 01:25:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:00 -0400 Subject: Introverts and message boards Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1438 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: Introverts and message boards Reply To: [Yahoo! #1432] Introverts and message boards Date: 5/22/00 9:25 pm (ET) Interesting thoughts. I came up as an "I" & definitely prefer message boards and e-mail loops. I usually only go into chat a couple of times a month with one of my clubs that has a highly specialized subject matter. I would choose message boards over chat rooms, no contest. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 23 04:31:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Subject: Silly Hat Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1439 From: estesrandy Subject: Silly Hat Reply To: [Yahoo! #1435] MB Sorting hat - recap and clarification Date: 5/23/00 12:31 am (ET) I took your test and found that I was an INFJ which now has me thoroughly confused by your posting. Based on the three definitions, I am either a Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, or Gryffindor! If that doesn't nail it down, I don't know what does! I guess that means the hat would put me into Slytherin just to confuse things. I think that I can eliminate Hufflepuff do to the comment about "unafraid of toil" because I hate to do extra work. "Wit and Learning" seems a better fit, so I guess Ravenclaw is more appropriate for me! By the way Hermione is not really an extravert in my understanding. Anyone who looks everything up in a book is not doing alot of extemperaneous thinking. She seems like an INTJ to me. What do you guys think? estesrandy A self-proclamed Ravenclaw From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Tue May 23 13:42:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Introverts and message boards Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1440 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Introverts and message boards Reply To: [Yahoo! #1438] Re: Introverts and message boards Date: 5/23/00 9:42 am (ET) <<<Interesting thoughts. I came up as an "I" & definitely prefer message boards and e-mail loops>>> I also came up as an "I" and definitely prefer boards and email lists over chat rooms...I have been to a few chats and usually just sit and watch the conversation...kind of pointless. My takes on the various houses are as follows: Hufflepuffs are the introverts dominated by their hearts....caretakers, we don't know who the house teacher is, but I would think professor sprout or madame pomfrey. Ravenclaws are the introverts dominated by their heads....researchers in pursuit of intellectual challenges, not necessarily artistic. Gryffindors are the extroverts dominated by their hearts....ready to jump into anything to help Slytherin are the extroverts dominated by their heads....cool headed sometimes calculating which is not always bad. I ended up as a ISTJ which would put me in Hufflepuff (suzanne) Slytherin (dave) or Ravenclaw (melanie) I am definately not a caretaker...you don't want me as your nurse. My take is that I would more likely be a Ravenclaw....my head dominates my heart and I'm defineltely an introvert. AS for the main characters, gryffindor fits harry to a T....Hagrid would be a hufflepuff.....I would think of ron as more of an introvert, but the rest of his family is in gryffindor,sooo...and Hermoine, well she seems to be a ravenclaw....but I think she likes messing in other peoples's business (at least in adolescence) which I don't think is a characteristic of a ravenclaw ... Lori has written a brief paragraph of why hermoine ended up in gryffindor in her fanfic "Paradigm of Uncertainty" which I think is a good explanation. sorry this is sooo long, just my 2 cents cj From sunchick_004 at yahoo.com Tue May 23 14:28:00 2000 From: sunchick_004 at yahoo.com (sunchick_004 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:28:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1441 From: sunchick_004 Subject: Re: Book IV Cover Reply To: [Yahoo! #1399] Re: Book IV Cover Date: 5/23/00 10:28 am (ET) Just a thought, but could the shiffty man on the left be Lord Voldemort, when he ISN'T sharing heads? From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:19:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:19:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1442 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Book IV Cover Reply To: [Yahoo! #1441] Re: Book IV Cover Date: 5/23/00 11:19 am (ET) >>Just a thought, but could the shiffty man on the >>left be Lord Voldemort, when he ISN'T sharing >>heads? I don't think so-- Tom Riddle, who became Voldemort, was descrobed as being quite handsome. I wouldn't expect his appearance to change that much. Snape perhaps? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:22:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:22:00 -0400 Subject: Gee! In a school of wizardtry... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1443 From: vikar25 Subject: Gee! In a school of wizardtry... Date: 5/23/00 11:22 am (ET) Given the Meyers-Briggs profiling, I would think that in a school of Wizardtry that the Thinker/Perceiver group (Ravenclaw) would not be a ruling group but it would be a good ally to have in any event. Think about it. Magic is something that you would have to spend lots of time by yourself studying (I)(T). And best applied when you have a full assessment of any situation (P). Although Ravenclaw is not Harry's Dorm, wouldn't you think that these kids would be the most successful. I think that that's why Ravenclaw gives Griffindor the most amount of trouble and Slytherin gives Griffindor a surprisingly little amount of trouble. (Given the profiling) Considering that this is a game of strategy, planning would be made best by the team that thinks of a strategy and can aNticipate the teams next move. Notice you rarely see Hufflepuff in the finals. Regards, Vikar25 From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:45:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:45:00 -0400 Subject: Houses and competition Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1444 From: melaniem68 Subject: Houses and competition Reply To: [Yahoo! #1443] Gee! In a school of wizardtry... Date: 5/23/00 11:45 am (ET) On the other hand, have you noticed that the running for house cup is usually down to Gryffindor and Slytherin? And the other two houses always cheer on Gryffindor with an attitude of "Well, as long as it's not Slytherin..." Ever wonder why we never see Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw stand up and say, "Hey, we want that house cup too!" In Sorcorer's/Philosopher's Stone, for example, when Harry, Ron, and Neville lost all those points, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff resented them, because it put Slytherin in the lead. And at the end, when Harry and company gained back enough points to take them from the bottom to the top, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff were cheering as hard as Gryffindor. Even the house that was now at the bottom (I think it was Hufflepuff) wasn't upset by that fact. From norevoli at yahoo.com Tue May 23 17:38:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:38:00 -0400 Subject: Just Curious Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1445 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Just Curious Reply To: [Yahoo! #1400] Re: Just Curious Date: 5/23/00 1:38 pm (ET) Please do put the other covers in! thanx norevoli From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Tue May 23 18:59:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1446 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1435] MB Sorting hat - recap and clarification Date: 5/23/00 2:59 pm (ET) <Suzanne's has you in Hufflepuff; Dave's has you in Slytherin; and mine has you in Ravenclaw.> I think that I would sute Ravenclaw the best. I'm more of the studying sort than anything. just a note, sorting hats keep putting me in Slitherin though. by the way, does anyone have any guesses where Sirus is curently hidding? Where couldn't a dementor go? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue May 23 21:26:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:26:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1447 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1446] Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Date: 5/23/00 5:26 pm (ET) Hehehe... maybe he's in Disneyworld... I doubt the ticket people would let dementors in. He did say he was far away. I always consider the dementors to be a "personification" (if you can call them persons) of depression, so Sirius would have to be hiding in the "happiest place on earth". Not that Disneyworld/land fits that description - I always get cranky when I go and hate the high prices. What about............ hrm. Now I can't think of anything. :) Jen Ps. Birthday's stink when you're broke and your husband has finals to give all day. ;) From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue May 23 21:50:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:50:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1448 From: davehoz Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1446] Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Date: 5/23/00 5:50 pm (ET) > ...by the way, does anyone have any guesses where Sirus is curently hidding? >Where couldn't a dementor go? I thought he might be in the Land of Oz, on the assumption that the dementors couldn't cross the Deadly Desert. :) But discounting book crossovers, someone suggested he might be underground, in proximity to a volcano (JKR said he's somewhere "nice and warm"). From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue May 23 21:58:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:58:00 -0400 Subject: Book IV Cover Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1449 From: davehoz Subject: Re: Book IV Cover Reply To: [Yahoo! #1442] Re: Book IV Cover Date: 5/23/00 5:58 pm (ET) >I don't think so-- Tom Riddle, who >became Voldemort, was descrobed >as being quite handsome. I wouldn't expect >his appearance to change that much. I sort of gathered from what Dumbledore said near the end of _Chamber_ that Riddle *did* change dramatically and "underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations that when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort he was barely recognizable..." From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue May 23 22:54:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Subject: M-B Sorting Hat... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1450 From: pt4ever Subject: M-B Sorting Hat... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1391] Re: Sorting Hat... Typo... Date: 5/23/00 6:54 pm (ET) I'm an INFJ Ravenclaw...pretty accurate, really. Judging by the House Descriptions in SS, I would be a Ravenclaw anyway. Plus, my favorite colors are blue and silver. :) -- JoAnna From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 12:16:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:16:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1451 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1446] Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Date: 5/24/00 8:16 am (ET) I'm sure that a comedy festival is one place that a dementor would not want to be. Regards, Vikar25 From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 24 12:19:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:19:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1452 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1448] Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Date: 5/24/00 8:19 am (ET) > ...by the way, does anyone have any guesses where Sirus is curently hidding? >Where couldn't a dementor go? (JKR said he's somewhere "nice and warm"). I would then assume Disney World (Florida) not EuroDisney. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 24 12:49:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:49:00 -0400 Subject: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1453 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Reply To: [Yahoo! #1448] Re: MB Sorting hat - recap and clarifica Date: 5/24/00 8:49 am (ET) Personally I think he is in Bali, hanging out on the beach and sipping a margarita. If the Balinese are having one of their many festivals, I doubt that the dementors would be able to find him. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 24 20:06:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:06:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1454 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Date: 5/24/00 4:06 pm (ET) Hi: I did the online personality quiz (the free one) and then compared it to the Meyers/Briggs test that I did as part of premarital counseling about 8 yrs ago. Same result -- I'm ISFJ. That makes me a Hufflepuff under all 3 definitions -- guess I'm just a "duffer"! I would have put myself in Ravenclaw though. And canary yellow is my worst color! I definitely prefer listserves and message boards to chat rooms -- I think that's an interesting observation about the attraction of different internet groups for introverts & extroverts. Cover art -- if the NY Times article is correct, then the cover art is under wraps and that cover on amazon isn't the real one. The more I thought about it, the more I think it probably *isn't* the cover. I think Harry is holding the philosopher's stone (okay or maybe a dragon egg, but something from Book 1 in either case), there is the dementor and grim/animagus/dog from PoA, and although I don't immediately spot it, I suspect there's something from CoS there too. I think this is just a compilation of themes from the first 3 books to create something to put online (except for the blonde girl, who must be Icicle). The other covers have, with 20/20 hindsight, given away something of the final plot (I was too busy devouring the books to pay any heed to the cover art or illustrations on the first read though). But, point is -- other than the girl who may be Icicle (if she even is going to be a character), there's nothing *new* in that cover art on amazon. I still think the guy on the left behind Harry is Snape. He's described as having greasy black shoulder-length hair, sallow skin, a hooked nose and menacing eyes. The pre-Azkaban Sirius Black, on the other hand, is described as handsome. I think, even though he's still on the run, he'll have cleaned up a bit and look more like his old self when we see him again. :--) Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 24 20:10:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:10:00 -0400 Subject: More Meyers/Briggs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1455 From: plinsenmayer Subject: More Meyers/Briggs Date: 5/24/00 4:10 pm (ET) Yikes -- I was just looking at these pre-marital counseling session Meyers/Briggs results, and looked where my husband's ESTJ result would put him. Slytherin under all 3 definitions! <g> Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 03:31:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:31:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1456 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/24/00 11:31 pm (ET) Here's a guy who I think is just not discussed enough. I have to say I find him, and his family, intriguing in a dark kind of way. Rumor has it that we will be learning more about the Malfoy connections with the Dark Lord in Book #4. Hmmmmm...... What are people's thoughts on Draco? What would you like to see happen with him? And what of these strange rumors about a Draco/Hermione attraction? From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Thu May 25 04:00:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1457 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1456] Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 12:00 am (ET) rainy_lilac wrote: <<<And what of these strange rumors about a Draco/Hermione attraction?>>> the following is something someone else wrote from another list I'm on, and I agree: <<<Y'know, I don't get why people think that when a girl slaps a boy, they're going to become a romantic couple. It's happened in more than one fandom, and it's starting to bug me. Basically all the interaction between Draco and Hermione is that he called her a filthy Mudblood (which is about the worst insult you can give in the wizarding world) and she smacked him, got better than him on test scores, and called him "foul" and "evil." Call me a skeptic, but I don't see that as good romance fodder. Rb>> here, here. cj From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Thu May 25 06:16:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:16:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1458 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1456] Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 2:16 am (ET) I don't like his attitude and personality but I love his name: DRACO. What a cool name! I don't why. But, hey, it's really cool villainous name. DRACO. :) From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 06:38:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:38:00 -0400 Subject: Jen's b-day quiz results... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1459 From: jenP_97 Subject: Jen's b-day quiz results... Date: 5/25/00 2:38 am (ET) (I keep hitting the <enter> key after typing my subject... good thing I've got "confirmations" on in preferences...) Anyway, here are the results. We had a whopping 2 entries for the quiz, and Penny took the prize. Honors of making up the next contest go to her. However, I was "very pleased with everyone's performance" (teacher voice off). Thanks for playing my little game. I look forward to competing with the rest of you next time. Jen From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 07:40:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:40:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1460 From: morrigan09 Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1456] Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 3:40 am (ET) Well, all I have to say on the subject of Draco/Hermione is that I think it would work. And I really want to see it. It's become a complete fanfic cliche that Hermione becomes the instrument of Draco turning against his father (I did it first though!) And SOMETHING has to make him turn nice. Although I'm quite sure JKR intends Ron/Hermione to happen. I do want Draco to turn good. (Eventually...) The thing is that for a character we know so little about, a lot of people find him fascinating. I'd love to find out about his mother, and about what's in it for Crabbe and Goyle, following him about all day like dummies (well, apart from my silly theory that Goyle has an enormous, helpless unrequited crush on Draco) Basically I just want him to be IN the books more... From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 12:35:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:35:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1461 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #1454] Sorting Hat & Cover Art Date: 5/25/00 8:35 am (ET) Penny, >I think Harry is holding the philosopher's stone (okay or maybe a dragon egg, but something from Book 1 in either case). It's probably the golden snitch from the tournament. Regards, Vikar25 From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 12:40:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:40:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1462 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1460] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 8:40 am (ET) morrigan09, That probably is not going to happen. I personally believe that Malfoy is just sooooo evil that Slytherin is where he should be. And nothing good has ever come out of there yet. Remember, Malfoy was so suited for Slytherin that the sorting hat barely touched his brow before it yelled "SLYTHERIN"! I don't think it's likely that Malfoy and Hermione would ever become a couple. I think it would be more likely that Ron and she would though. Regards, Vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Thu May 25 13:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:12:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1463 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #1461] Re: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Date: 5/25/00 9:12 am (ET) Hi: <>I think Harry is holding the philosopher's stone (okay or maybe a dragon egg, but something from Book 1 in either case). It's probably the golden snitch from the tournament.> Vikar -- the thing he's holding isn't small (walnut sized) and doesn't have wings. I see nothing at all redeeming about Draco and have a hard time imagining he's going to renounce his evil ways anytime soon. I also think the whole Draco/Hermione relationship possibility line is preposterous (my opinion). I guess I could be surprised by Draco at some point, but I doubt it. :--) Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 13:16:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:16:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1464 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1462] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 9:16 am (ET) Here is my scoop on Draco (a yeah, it IS a great name, huh?) First of all, I do not agree with vikar25 that "nothing good has ever come out of there (Slytherin yet." In the first book Hagrid says that everyone who turned to the Dark Side came from Slytherin-- but that is not the same thing as saying that all Slytherins turned to the Dark Side. According to the sorting hat, the main characteristic of a Slytherin is that they are AMBITIOUS and will do anything to accomplish their ends. Faced with temptations by the Dark Lord, this can be a great weakness, but under other circumstances it can be a good thing. Also remember what the sorting hat says to Harry "I see greatness... you could be great. Slytherin would help you on the way to greatness." All he says is that he would do well-- not that he would do evil. About Draco: I too hate his attitude, but I agree with Morrigen that he may indeed turn to good. I see most of his evil stemming from his father's influence, and as we all saw in the second book, his father is pretty cruel to him. Rowling has hinted that he and Harry migth team up in Book Seven, but I can't remember where I read that. I guess I look at his character from the point of view of "what will be narratively interesting?" He isn't like Dudley-- he is intelligent, he has complexity, he has conflicts. He initially wanted to be friends with Harry. Something has got to happen with him. My theory: I don't thinka Hermione/Draco romance is in the offing, but there is a rumor that Crabbe will be one of the victims in the next book. The reader won't care about this so much, but it will hit close to home with Draco, and he will see that NOBODY is safe. His father's word tends to be "Stay out of it, let the Dark Lord get on with it..." but I think that he will not stay out of it so easily. I also have a pet theory that Dumbledore will die and that Lucius will return to the board of govenors with a vengeance...... We will see! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 13:20:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1465 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Reply To: [Yahoo! #1463] Re: Sorting Hat & Cover Art Date: 5/25/00 9:20 am (ET) As I remeber, the Philosopher's Stone was small enough to be dropped into Harry's pocket in Book 1. I don't know that it is the dragon's egg from the first book, or if it is an egg that will somehow figure on the fourth book, but it sure looks like an egg to me! Who is that blonde girl! What is that enigmatic smale on her face??? From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 14:29:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:29:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1466 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1464] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 10:29 am (ET) Rainy_lilac, I believe the confusion stems from the term "greatness". In this case, "greatness" is not defined to neither good nor evil. "Greatness" can be attributed to either fame or infamy. Going about fame through Machievellian means, would most likely lead to trouble. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 15:03:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1467 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1466] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 11:03 am (ET) It all depends Vikar25. I personally don't think that cutthroat ambition leads to happiness. But on the other hand, it could be argued that there are many people who have been led to "greatness" (which could just mean wealth and fame but also could mean great intellectual and creative accomplishment-- say, painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling...) by an overwhelming and single-minded focus on their individual vision. They have a drive to excel. The main thing is that Slytherin is not necessarily evil: the Slytherin personality simply is ambitious and thinks big-- and has certain blind spots and weaknesses, which might tempt them to make a Faustian deal with the Dark Lord, believing that the ends justify the means. Ambition can be good-- but it can also go very wrong. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 15:53:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1468 From: melaniem68 Subject: Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 11:53 am (ET) I agree with Suzanne that Hagrid said that all dark wizards had come out of Slytherin, but that doesn't mean that all Slytherins turn to the dark side. But I'd like to take that a step farther, and say that Hagrid made an absolute statement there, which if he'd thought about it later, he would still have come up with exceptions. For example, were Sirius Black and Peter Pettigrew Slytherins? I doubt it, unless James Potter and Remus Lupin were too (which I doubt even more). But, when Hagrid made that statement, he and everyone else in the wizarding world thought Black had turned to the dark side; and Pettigrew really did. I also have to wonder where Harry would have ended up, had he not known to ask not to be in Slytherin. Suppose he had walked into that hall, never having heard the house names, even as little as he had. He would only know what the Sorting Hat had to say about Slytherin (which didn't sound so bad). So, he wouldn't have been up there thinking "Not Slyterin," and may very well have ended up in there. OK, I know I've rambled enough. But I'd like to finish by saying that I have finished the sorting quiz I mentioned in March. At least, I have my bare minimum of ten questions, though I'd like to have 15 or 20. But, in writing it, it was difficult to separate the Slytherin answer from the Gryffindor on some questions. Now there's something to think about. Melanie INFJ Ravenclaw From Danemead at yahoo.com Thu May 25 16:02:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:02:00 -0400 Subject: Gilderoy Lockhart Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1469 From: Danemead Subject: Gilderoy Lockhart Reply To: [Yahoo! #1464] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 12:02 pm (ET) I was just wondering what house GILDEROY LOCKHART would have been in. I'm thinking he would probably be a Slytherin, just on the basis of his ego and ambition. Maybe the lowest marks in the house, and hated by his housemates, but where else would the hat have put him? He's not EVIL, but he did use any means to achieve HIS ends. (PS - I don't think it was ever said that Lockhart went to Hogwarts, by the way -- he probably went to some lesser school.) From quidditchfan at yahoo.com Thu May 25 16:18:00 2000 From: quidditchfan at yahoo.com (quidditchfan at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:18:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1470 From: quidditchfan Subject: Re: Slytherin Reply To: [Yahoo! #1468] Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 12:18 pm (ET) I think Draco is similar to Snape - a nasty character, but will eventually do the "right" thing. I think Draco will reluctantly help Harry somewhere down the road. After the Scabbers incident, it's the seemingly innocent characters I don't trust. Karen From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 16:45:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1471 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Slytherin Reply To: [Yahoo! #1470] Re: Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 12:45 pm (ET) Snape hates Harry. Period. Everyone has told Harry that from year one on. The only reason Snape has done anything beneficial for Harry is that he has a debt to pay to Harry's father. Snape may actually be the most moral person to come out of Slytherin. He actually lets his own conscience get in the way of getting Harry. He, according to his own scruples, protects Harry from REAL Danger. However, he still would love to see Harry thrown out of Hogwarts. The relationship between Harry and Malfoy is the same as the relationship between Harry's Dad and Snape. Until the Peter Pettigrew incident, Sirus Black was thought of as a very trustworthy man. It was just that Harry's parents trusted the wrong friend with their secret. Sirus was even the one that lent Hagrid the motorcycle he rode to deliver Harry to the Dursleys. I don't think that Sirus was one of the Slytherin. Regards, Vikar25 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:04:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: The Daily Prophet Online Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1472 From: rainy_lilac Subject: The Daily Prophet Online Date: 5/25/00 1:04 pm (ET) http://www.dprophet.com/ Looks like fun! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:04:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:04:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1473 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1467] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 1:04 pm (ET) >>>> But on the other hand, it could be argued that there are many people who have been led to "greatness" (which could just mean wealth and fame but also could mean great intellectual and creative accomplishment-- say, painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling...) by an overwhelming and single-minded focus on their individual vision. They have a drive to excel. >>>> Precisely. Examples of "good" ambition would be Percy Weasley and Hermione. Both are very ambitious -- especially Percy, whose goal is to be the Minister of Magic. Cornelius Fudge notwithstanding (I still believe that man is one twig short of a broomstick), I assume that the Minister of Magic has to be a VERY talented wizard/witch. After all, Dumbledore was wanted for the position. Percy's talent could be used for evil -- IF HE CHOSE. As Dumbledore said in CoS, it is our choices who make us who we are, which is why Harry is a true Gryffindor. However, he could just as easily stayed on on the good side if he was in Slytherin, as long as he'd resisted negative influences and chose to be a good wizard. It's not Slytherin or ambition that makes evil wizards; it's their choices that make them such. Okay, I think I'm done rambling now... :) BTW, on the website of the Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club, there's a recent AOL chat transcript with J.K. Rowling, and in it she says the the title of book #4 is NOT "Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament." She also says that both the title and cover design are being kept under wraps. So, I agree that the amazon.com cover is probably just a compilation of the last three books, with the mystery girl thrown in to entice us. :) -- JoAnna From vikar25 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:23:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: Draco Malfoy Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1474 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Draco Malfoy Reply To: [Yahoo! #1473] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 1:23 pm (ET) I think this should settle it. I got this from the official Harry Potter page with some quotes. a) In The Sorcerer's Stone, when Mr. Ollivander sells Harry a wand that was the brother of a wand owned by Voldemort, Mr. Ollivander explains to Harry that "The wand chooses the wizard" and then tells him, "I think we must expect great things from you, Mr. Potter....After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great things-terrible, yes, but great" (p. 85). How can Ollivander call Voldemort a great wizard? What makes Harry a different kind of great from Voldemort? b) In The Chamber of Secrets, Dobby says he knew of Harry's "greatness but not of his goodness" (page 15). What is the difference between greatness and goodness? Could Harry be the great wizard everyone thinks he is if he were not also filled with goodness? Regards, vikar25 From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:45:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1475 From: morrigan09 Subject: Re: Slytherin Reply To: [Yahoo! #1470] Re: Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 1:45 pm (ET) Too right! Neville turning to the Dark Side, anybody? Also I think it would be totally un-JKR to make us hate a character/group of people and then not undermine our expectations somewhere along the line. If the saga ends and it's still "oh, Slytherins are all bad" well, that's-- just silly. But I don't think it'll happen. > I think Draco is similar to Snape - a nasty character, but will eventually do the "right" thing. I think Draco will reluctantly help Harry somewhere down the road. After the Scabbers incident, it's the seemingly innocent characters I don't trust. > From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Thu May 25 17:54:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:54:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1476 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Slytherin Reply To: [Yahoo! #1475] Re: Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 1:54 pm (ET) "Also I think it would be totally un-JKR to make us hate a character/group of people and then not undermine our expectations somewhere along the line." That is my logic exactly. It wouldn't make storytelling sense to just leave Slytehrin evil. And I agree with Vikar25, that greatness and goodness are distinct qualities. From b_drey at yahoo.com Thu May 25 22:36:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: Crabbe & Goyle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1477 From: b_drey Subject: Crabbe & Goyle Reply To: [Yahoo! #1460] Re: Draco Malfoy Date: 5/25/00 6:36 pm (ET) Morrigan wrote: "what's in it for Crabbe and Goyle, following him about all day like dummies" I've always wondered, if Hogwarts is such a great wizzarding school, what are Crabbe and Goyle doing there at all? Can they perform magic? Can they even talk? Anyway, they've always seemed out of place to me. (an obviously cranky) Barbara From b_drey at yahoo.com Thu May 25 22:58:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:58:00 -0400 Subject: Slytherin Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1478 From: b_drey Subject: Re: Slytherin Reply To: [Yahoo! #1475] Re: Slytherin Date: 5/25/00 6:58 pm (ET) I really don't think that a reputable (despite Crabbe & Goyle) school such as Hogwarts would countenance a house that consistently turned out evil wizzards or that was totally devoted to evil. I think it seems evil to us because we've heard about only the evil people there (and the name implies evil). B. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:21:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: Crabbe & Goyle Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1479 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Crabbe & Goyle Reply To: [Yahoo! #1477] Crabbe & Goyle Date: 5/26/00 9:21 am (ET) I always assumed from these guys that family influence must go a long way. Like Malfoy, they might come from old wizarding families. Unlike Malfoy they are not very bright or interesting. It seems there is always *someone* who flunks all their O levels (or OWLs, as the case may be). And there are always going to be people who's egos are simply very weak and who cling to otehrs for a sense of identity. Look at Pettigrew! From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:32:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:32:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1480 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Casting Harry Date: 5/26/00 9:32 am (ET) So, what do y'all think of this 14 year old dancer kid who's said to be the favorite to play Harry? (I'm too lazy to hunt and find out his name, check aint-it-cool-news or somethin'!) I haven't been on the board all that much lately, but it doesn't look like this has been discussed yet. Personally, I'm not familiar with the kid, but I don't see how a 14 year old would work. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 26 13:42:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1481 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1480] Casting Harry Date: 5/26/00 9:42 am (ET) 14 is pushing it, but if he is smallish and looks young it might work. I know I looked like I was 12 when I was fourteen. A dancer! Well! I like that idea very much, someone with physical grace to play Quidditch!! Can't wait to hear more! From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Fri May 26 17:37:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:37:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1482 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1481] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/26/00 1:37 pm (ET) His name is Jamie Bell and he's in a movie that's showing at the Cannes Film Festival called "Dancer" or something like that. I haven't been able to find a picture of this kid....maybe I'll try e!online....I'll let you guys know if I find anything cj From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:09:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:09:00 -0400 Subject: Wicca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1483 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Wicca Date: 5/26/00 5:09 pm (ET) I am a practitioner of Wicca, also known as modern witchcraft. I remember at some point skimming through all the messages on this board and coming across a comment made by someone to the effect that they heard that J.K. Rowling is Wiccan. I was always under the impression that she wasn't. I remember a caller asking her about this on the radio show The Connection ("Are you Craft? Or Muggle?" the caller asked, to which she replied, "I am a Muggle."), but for all I know she may have said more or decided differently. Can anyone direct me to an interview in which she talks about this, aside from The Connection? I really would like to know. Thanks! From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:17:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:17:00 -0400 Subject: Wicca Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1484 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Wicca Reply To: [Yahoo! #1483] Wicca Date: 5/26/00 5:17 pm (ET) There's a transcript of an AOL chat with J.K. Rowling at http://www.geocities.com/harrypotterfans/ in which she says that she believes in God or something to that effect, I believe. I personally think that she is a Christian because I see a lot of Christian parallels in the HP books -- for instance, the basilisk is a mythological creature mentioned in the Bible as one of the forces of evil, Harry as kind of a Christ figure, etc. Feel free to disagree with me, but that's just my opinion. :) Anyway, hope this helps! -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:20:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: J.K. Rowling's spiritual beliefs Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1485 From: pt4ever Subject: J.K. Rowling's spiritual beliefs Reply To: [Yahoo! #1483] Wicca Date: 5/26/00 5:20 pm (ET) I decided not to be lazy and I went and found the portion of the transcript where J.K. Rowling speaks about her spiritual beliefs. Here it is vertabim: >>> UKMCLive: Raw3Pete asks...I have read a few articles saying Christians object to the occultic themes weaved into your stories. I was just wondering, what are your spiritual beliefs? JKR Live: <deep sigh> Well, as it happens, I believe in God, but there's no pleasing some people! >>> -- JoAnna From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Fri May 26 21:28:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:28:00 -0400 Subject: New member... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1486 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: New member... Date: 5/26/00 5:28 pm (ET) Hi, I've just finished reading all three Potter books in the space of a couple of weeks. Someone gave me the first one as a birthday present, and I was charmed right away. At least this club is full of adults, unlike the 15 million others, consisting of three 11 year old girls preteneding to be talking owls (not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm a 39 year old man... people could talk). I'm dreading the film. I guess it's no surprise that they wanted to make it, but I'd rather they'd waited until all seven books were out before shattering my inner-eye view of the books. I'm still interested in it, and I note that JK is involved heavily, which is encouraging. I hope they can get an entirely British cast (he said, xenophobically) or it could be dire... Seeya Neil From b_drey at yahoo.com Fri May 26 22:41:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:41:00 -0400 Subject: New member... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1487 From: b_drey Subject: Re: New member... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1486] New member... Date: 5/26/00 6:41 pm (ET) Welcome - this club was founded in order to avoid just the situation you mentioned - role playing and squabbling over who got to be Hermione - instead of intelligent (usually) talk about the books. Also - I think you'll find that most of us hope the cast is British and, at least for the children, unknowns. From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 06:45:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:45:00 -0400 Subject: Okay, now a question... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1488 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Okay, now a question... Date: 5/27/00 2:45 am (ET) Thanks for the welcome, er, b I've been ploughing through some older messages and decided to try that temperament sorting thing. I came out as INFJ. My question relates to the Gryffindor Quidditch team. Unless I'm mistaken, it's had the same seven members since Harry joined. Does anyone else find it odd that there isn't a team in each year of the school? I think this has been done on purpose to provide some sort of reinforcement of the team members across the first three books, so that the reader identifies more closely with them and their highs and lows. Alternatively, maybe it's just one of those 'magic' things. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 07:19:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 03:19:00 -0400 Subject: Okay, now a question... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1489 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Okay, now a question... Reply To: [Yahoo! #1488] Okay, now a question... Date: 5/27/00 3:19 am (ET) A couple more things (since I'm here)... INFJ seems to have me in either Ravenclaw or Gryffindor. I tried the sorting hat on one of the fan sites and it put me in Gryffindor (okay, it's random, but all the same...). But, at school, my house was called Gryphons! I will now apply to law of laws of synchronicity to place myself in Gryffindor. Incidentally, did anyone else have four houses at school? Ours were called Gryphons, Dragons, Lions and er.... something else, which I can't remember just now (this was 25 years ago!). Finally, differences between the UK and US versions of the books: Judging from previous posts, the US books have Ravensclaw instead of Ravenclaw - why? And why change The Philosopher's Stone to the Sorceror's Stone? Are there any other major differences? Okay, I'll shut up now. Neil From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat May 27 08:45:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:45:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1490 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1481] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 4:45 am (ET) His name is Jamie Bell. He's currently starring in an independent British film entitled "Dancer" which was shown at the Cannes Film Festival. I haven't seen his photo yet so I can't really be sure if he's perfect. But 14 is a tad too old (since they're going to be making seven movies and all). From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 10:23:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 06:23:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1491 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1490] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 6:23 am (ET) I've posted a pic of Jamie Bell in the photo section. Neil From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Sat May 27 10:47:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 06:47:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1492 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1491] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 6:47 am (ET) He still looks too old to be Harry. If he were to be in the Harry Potter movie, the first character that strucked my mind was Oliver Wood. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Sat May 27 13:29:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:29:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1493 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1491] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 9:29 am (ET) Hi: I had seen that photo of Jamie Bell, although the caption where I saw it wasn't entirely clear if it was a photo of Jamie Bell or one of the other actors in The Dancer. Anyway, assuming it is Jamie Bell . . . he's not at all what I would picture as Harry. He's too old IMO. And, even trying hard to imagine what he would look like if they dyed his hair and gave him green contacts & spectacles, he still doesn't look right in my mind. Maybe I just won't be happy with the casting no matter what, but I'd like to think there *is* a perfect unknown British kid who's about 10 yrs old right now. :--) Penny From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 13:54:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 09:54:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1494 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1493] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 9:54 am (ET) The caption was confusing but the filename of the picture has 'jamiebell' in it, so I assume it is him. Maybe too old, but he *is* quite small. The question is, will he look 17-18 when he's 20-21? Not that unlikely... Neil From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 15:56:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:56:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1495 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1494] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 11:56 am (ET) < The question is, will he look 17-18 when he's 20-21? Not that unlikely...> Why not? I did. In fact, at 32, I'm still often mistaken for 16-17! From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 16:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:14:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1496 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1495] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 12:14 pm (ET) Like I said, not that unlikely... I'm 39 and most people think I'm a lot younger than that(but still way to old to play Harry, sadly!) Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sat May 27 16:15:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:15:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1497 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1496] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 12:15 pm (ET) Sorry, that's 'too' old (I can spell, honest!) N From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 17:26:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:26:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1498 From: melaniem68 Subject: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #1488] Okay, now a question... Date: 5/27/00 1:26 pm (ET) Good discussion questions, Neil (clever ID name). Since each has potential for a different thread, I'll answer them (however I can) separately. BTW, r yew shur u cen spel? (Just kidding). I've wondered myself why they haven't brought in new players to the Gryffindor Quidditch team. After their defeat to Ravenclaw in the first book (while Harry was in the hospital wing), I'd think they'd at least want to bring in alternates. Has anyone else wondered how, exactly, they did play with no Seeker? I can see playing a Chaser short or with only one Beater. I can even see players taking turns hanging around the goal posts to cover for an absent Keeper. But the Seeker seems integral. Maybe one of the Chasers or Beaters played Seeker that day. From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 18:00:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Subject: US/UK versions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1499 From: melaniem68 Subject: US/UK versions Reply To: [Yahoo! #1489] Re: Okay, now a question... Date: 5/27/00 2:00 pm (ET) <Judging from previous posts, the US books have Ravensclaw instead of Ravenclaw - why?> Actually, it is Ravenclaw (no "s"). You may have seen a typo or two on other posts. I know I saw the same thing a few days ago, and wondered if I'd been reading it wrong all this time. But, I checked one of my books, and sure enough, it's Ravenclaw. <And why change The Philosopher's Stone to the Sorceror's Stone?> Someone in the publishing industry thought the term "Philosopher" was misleading. I don't know about the UK, but in the US, "Philosopher" has an intellectual, but rather dry image--something that may attract someone like Hermione, but not your average kid. At least that was their reasoning. <Are there any other major differences?> I actually haven't read the UK version, but we did discuss one major difference Penny (our fearless leader) noticed last February. In Chamber of Secrets, Dumbledore said in the UK version that Voldemore was the last remaining *ancestor* of Salazar Slytherin. In the US version, the word "ancestor" was changed to "descendant". You may want to check out the discussions at that time on whether that was the correction of a true error, or an overzealous "correction," which gave it a meaning Rowling never intended. For other changes, I'll defer to those who have read both versions. Melanie From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Sat May 27 18:23:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:23:00 -0400 Subject: Four houses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1500 From: melaniem68 Subject: Four houses Reply To: [Yahoo! #1489] Re: Okay, now a question... Date: 5/27/00 2:23 pm (ET) <Incidentally, did anyone else have four houses at school?> I did, in junior high. The seventh grade (age-equivalent of Hogwarts 2nd year) was divided into Blue Dynasty and Golden Apes. The eighth grade (which would be 3rd year at Hogwarts) was divided into Purple Triumphs and Red Bulls. Though we had a few competitions with all four houses, mostly we stayed within grades. In high school, the four grades did the job (sort of). There wasn't a lot of competition between them, but it was convenient when we needed to divide into smaller groups. My high school also had a Scottish theme. Each freshman class (like Hogwarts 4th year) voted on a tartan (plaid pattern) to represent us. We were then given the clan name to match the tartan, and kept that clan name and tartan all four years. So, cheesy as it sounds, the classes were often announce as, for example Clan Douglas, in place of "freshmen" or "Class of '86". Melanie From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 27 23:12:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1501 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1492] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 7:12 pm (ET) I have to say that this guy looks more like a ron than anyone... he looks freckly and he would pass more as a red head than some one with jet black hair. And I could see this guys ears going pink. But he isn't smiling in this picture and he's got an air of arrogance (spelling??) so if I were the sorting hat I'd put him in slytherin. then again its only a picture. And yes he is a little too old. he wouldn't pass for Harry, IMO he isn't scrawny enough. as for passing as Oliver Wood... well, I always pictured Oliver would being more... built? and burlier than that.... but that's just me. anyway if there's one thing they got to get right atleast with the casting in this movie its harry, ron and hermione... (ron especially but only because i've got a fondness for him...) norevoli From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 27 23:20:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:20:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1502 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #1498] Quidditch Date: 5/27/00 7:20 pm (ET) Yes it is weird of them not to have substitutes on their teams. They usually have them its sports don't they. but i do vaguely remember that during book 1 it was mentioned that Alicia Spinnet was only a back up player last year.... i better go check... norevoli From norevoli at yahoo.com Sat May 27 23:22:00 2000 From: norevoli at yahoo.com (norevoli at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1503 From: norevoli Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #1502] Re: Quidditch Date: 5/27/00 7:22 pm (ET) Yes i was right... in the chapter entitled Quidditch they do mention that alicia was only a reserve player the year before... so maybe they have reserve players but just never mention it??? norevoli From christineoswell at yahoo.com Sun May 28 00:08:00 2000 From: christineoswell at yahoo.com (christineoswell at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:08:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1504 From: christineoswell Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1501] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 8:08 pm (ET) I think what is more important than getting some one who looks EXACTLY like Harry, is to get some one who can ACT!! It is amazing what they can do these days with some good make-up (even make a 14 year old look 11), but if the kid can't act then there is no hope for the movie. I can't count the number of potential movies ruined cause those doing the casting went for the actor/ress with the most looks/bust/build/cuteness etc.. JMO, Christine From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:01:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:01:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1505 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1504] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 11:01 pm (ET) I just remember hearing that on the TV show Batman in the 1960's, the creator of Batman picked Adam West to play him because he looked the most like his character. His acting talent was questionable. I think that the author may not always be the best judge of who should play the characters in their book. Let's just hope a guiding hand from someone with experience helps to make this movie worth seeing on its own merits and not just a poor imitation of the popular books. If the movie gets too much attention, it could spoil the fact that kids are interested in reading again thanks to the books. Which is more important than a popular movie. From davehoz at yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:26:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:00 -0400 Subject: Ouroboros Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1506 From: davehoz Subject: Ouroboros Reply To: [Yahoo! #1499] US/UK versions Date: 5/27/00 11:26 pm (ET) >Dumbledore said in the UK version that Voldemore >was the last remaining *ancestor* of Salazar Slytherin. >In the US version, the word "ancestor" was >changed to "descendant". You may want to check >out the discussions at that time on whether that >was the correction of a true error, or an >overzealous "correction," which gave it a >meaning Rowling never intended. I think it was probably a typo... After all the issue at hand is the *heirs* of Salazaar Slytherin. Yet, at the back of my head is the wild idea that perhaps Voldemort and Slytherin have established an "Ouroboros loop". Red Dwarf fans will know what I'm referring to, but for everyone else I'll explain: The idea here is that Voldemort is indeed a descendant of Salazaar Slytherin; but at some point Voldemort travelled back in time in order to father *Salazaar Slytherin*! In other words they're simultaneously each others' ancestor *and* decendant! Now on the face of it, this seems prohibited by both the laws of physics and of genetics, but the Dark Arts don't care much what laws they break. The theory seems more attractive to me when I consider that the symbol of such infinite loops -- the "Ouroboros" -- is a *serpent* (with its tail in its mouth)... Not that I think this is really JKR's intent, I just find the idea intriguing... From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:29:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:29:00 -0400 Subject: Four houses Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1507 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Four houses Reply To: [Yahoo! #1500] Four houses Date: 5/27/00 11:29 pm (ET) Melanie, Thanks for responding to all my questions! The houses at my old school were rather like the ones at Hogwarts, in that things were very competitive and we gained points for doing well in various areas/competitions, which were added up at the end of the year. I think it was quite a common feature of the British grammar school system. I remember that Dragons tended to be more ruthless than the other houses. I can't imagine why, because we chose the houses ourselves (no sorting hat, unfortunately), but most of the bullies I knew seemed to be in Dragons (cf. Slytherin, I guess) and the sporty people tended to go for Lions. Nice people, like me, chose Gryphons... Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:33:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:33:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1508 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Casting Harry Reply To: [Yahoo! #1504] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/27/00 11:33 pm (ET) Of course, if Jamie Bell is 14 now, he might have a post-pubescent growth spurt between now and the filming, and end up with a deep, booming voice and a beard. Then he could try for Hagrid. Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Sun May 28 03:43:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:43:00 -0400 Subject: Quidditch Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1509 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Quidditch Reply To: [Yahoo! #1498] Quidditch Date: 5/27/00 11:43 pm (ET) Another thing... We know that there are only five Gryffindor boys in Harry's year, so we should expect roughly the same number of girls and the same numbers in each of the other houses. That makes about 40 pupils per year and about 70 per house, in the entire school. Perhaps - if Quidditch is such a specialist sport - 70 is only enough to spawn a single team of 7 for each house, and maybe a reserve or two. If they find any really good players, like Harry, they obviously hang on to them until they leave the school. Well, that's my latest idea on that... Neil From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 28 15:40:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:40:00 -0400 Subject: New Websites about the Movie! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1510 From: rainy_lilac Subject: New Websites about the Movie! Date: 5/28/00 11:40 am (ET) http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movies/titles/harry_potter_and_the_sorcerer_s_ston e/ http://upcomingmovies.com/harrypotter.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0241527 From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Sun May 28 15:44:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:44:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Harry-- Jamie Bell?? No way! Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1511 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Casting Harry-- Jamie Bell?? No way! Reply To: [Yahoo! #1508] Re: Casting Harry Date: 5/28/00 11:44 am (ET) I say cast him as Percy or Oliver Wood maybe. There is just nothing Harry about this guy! From b_drey at yahoo.com Sun May 28 16:44:00 2000 From: b_drey at yahoo.com (b_drey at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:44:00 -0400 Subject: US/UK versions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1512 From: b_drey Subject: Re: US/UK versions Reply To: [Yahoo! #1499] US/UK versions Date: 5/28/00 12:44 pm (ET) In my US version of Chamber, Dumbledore says "ancestor" - I thought it was a huge editorial error because I'd gotten the impression that Sytherin had been long dead when Tom Riddle went to Hogwarts. Barbara From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon May 29 11:27:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:27:00 -0400 Subject: Catching up... Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1513 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Catching up... Date: 5/29/00 7:27 am (ET) I've just read some early post about UK vs US language in the books, which answered most of my questions... Apart from spelling and grammatical differences, and other language-based differences (sweater vs jumper etc) - which we might expect - I'm interested in any conceptual or culture-based differences (such as Philosopher vs Sorcerer, as mentioned before). I might try to get hold of the German versions and compare those (then, at least, I can also practice my language skills while I'm at!) Neil From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Mon May 29 13:59:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Casting suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1514 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Casting suggestions Date: 5/29/00 9:59 am (ET) I have a couple of suggestions for the film: Dumbledore - Ian Richardson (or maybe Patrick Stewart) Hagrid - Brian Blessed (and some camera tricks) Prof Snape - Richard E Grant Mr Dursley - Ray Winstone Prof McGonagall - Prunella Scales As if they'd bother what I think! Neil From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon May 29 14:47:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:47:00 -0400 Subject: Casting suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1515 From: angelx_ph Subject: Re: Casting suggestions Reply To: [Yahoo! #1514] Casting suggestions Date: 5/29/00 10:47 am (ET) Who's Ray Winstone? Oh yeah, what do you guys think of David Hyde Pierce playing Nearly Headless Nick? (I don't why but Nick reminds me so much of Niles Crane from "Frasier" - - J.K. Rowling mentioned in one of her interviews/chats that she loved "Frasier") From angelx_ph at yahoo.com Mon May 29 14:49:00 2000 From: angelx_ph at yahoo.com (angelx_ph at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:49:00 -0400 Subject: Steve Kloves Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1516 From: angelx_ph Subject: Steve Kloves Interview Date: 5/29/00 10:49 am (ET) Heres an interview of the screenwriter of the "Harry Potter" movie, Steve Kloves (he also wrote "The Fabulous Baker Boys", F.Y.I.) http://www.salon.com/ent/col/srag/2000/02/24/kloves/index3.html From voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com Mon May 29 20:57:00 2000 From: voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com (voicelady_2000 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Subject: Steve Kloves Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1517 From: voicelady_2000 Subject: Re: Steve Kloves Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #1516] Steve Kloves Interview Date: 5/29/00 4:57 pm (ET) I remember reading somewhere that they were going to film both the first AND second movie at the same time, and I was wondering: did anyone ever suggest Pierce Brosnan for Gilderoy Lockhart? From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 30 02:52:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:52:00 -0400 Subject: Casting suggestions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1518 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Casting suggestions Reply To: [Yahoo! #1514] Casting suggestions Date: 5/29/00 10:52 pm (ET) I agree with Patrick Stewart for playing Dumbledore. I think he has a great voice, and with enough makeup he can be made to look like the Wizard. He has a bit of a twinkle in his eyes and a warm smile when he needs it for a part. Both of those characteristics would fit Dumbledore. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 30 02:57:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:57:00 -0400 Subject: Steve Kloves Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1519 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: Steve Kloves Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #1517] Re: Steve Kloves Interview Date: 5/29/00 10:57 pm (ET) Yes, I also thought of Pierce Brosnan for Gilderoy Lockhart. He did well in light comedy with Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire. I think he has the good looks and the acting ability to play the bumbling Professor. From m_j_beeman at yahoo.com Tue May 30 04:55:00 2000 From: m_j_beeman at yahoo.com (m_j_beeman at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: Me, The Movie, and some other thoughts Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1520 From: m_j_beeman Subject: Me, The Movie, and some other thoughts Date: 5/30/00 12:55 am (ET) Hello, everyone, I just joined the club so that I could introduce myself and say a few things that I would like to say. My name is Matt, I am 18 (not really a grown-up, but I like to think so sometimes), I live in North Carolina, and so far I have only read the first of the Harry Potter books as I did not know it would be so good that I would want to order the next three. I would be reading the second one now, but I am finishing a non-fiction book on sociodemographics. Well, about the book. I had heard all the hype and I had a chance to buy it at 75% off through my book club, so I took the chance. It has been sitting on a book shelf in my dorm room until a few weeks ago when I moved back home and actually had time to read it. When I finally did read it, I couldn't put it down, and once I finished I immediately ordered the other 3 (thanks to Barnes & Noble and Discover Card at 64% off) I found that there were quite a few things I liked about the book which made me continue reading: (1) Easy flowing & descriptive language - very easy to read, no confusing words or language to get in the way of understanding and more than any other fiction book i have read, i could picture the people, the images in my mind as they were happening, every table, chair, and person were clear as day in my head (2) No plot gaps - even when there was not as much exciting stuff going on, there were still hints, clues, and discussions around which the rest of the plot depended, which made for no parts of the book that plodded along. (3) Exposition of conclusion - all the things that were revealed in the end of the book that not only shed light on the earlier happenings, but raised more questions about the future. And in the end, the good guys won (the Gryffindors). Some things about book number 4: -- Someone 'important' is going to die (J.K. Rowling revealed in an interview that someone was going to die in book number 4, and in another interview, that I didn't read, that the person was important, which i heard through the grapevine) -- Harry gets more interested in girls (Hermoine or Cho?) -- Available July 8th in bookstores, or for shipment from online retailers July 7th (without a Same Day Shipping Option), you can preorder yours at Barnes & Noble or Amazon --Title: Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament Some things about the movie: --Chris Columbus (Mrs. Doubtfire, Home Alone) is directing it, and I really hope he doesn't pick another Macauly Culkin. Culkin was not that great of an actor, but fit "the look": short, skinny, picked on, etc, etc, etc. If there is going to be 7 (or more) movies, we need a kid with real acting abilities. --Jamie Bell cannot play any of the first years, he just looks too old. --If they make seven movies, any other jobs that this actor gets, he will be known as "the Harry Potter kid", which as Macauly Culkin knows, can kill a carrer, so that leaves two possibilities: (1) the Harry Potter movies will be the only movies the kid ever does or (2) the kid knows he does not want to be an actor after he is 18 years old and decides that the movies will be his claim to fame Some things about other things: --The rights to related merchandise has been sold to Mattel and Hasbro, who have agreed to not distribute them until at least the release date of the first movie, which would be silly anyway because they need to get the actor's face right and we don't know who that is yet. That is all I've got for now, Matt B. From vikar25 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 13:23:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:23:00 -0400 Subject: Steve Kloves Interview Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1521 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Steve Kloves Interview Reply To: [Yahoo! #1519] Re: Steve Kloves Interview Date: 5/30/00 9:23 am (ET) Greg Kinnear as Gilderoy Lockhart. He does plastic just too well. Regards, Vikar25 From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Tue May 30 13:42:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: Ray Winstone Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1522 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: Ray Winstone Reply To: [Yahoo! #1515] Re: Casting suggestions Date: 5/30/00 9:42 am (ET) Check out this site for info on Ray Winstone... http://www.copperlily.com/AboutRayWinstone/ Neil From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 15:02:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: German versions Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1523 From: morrigan09 Subject: German versions Reply To: [Yahoo! #1513] Catching up... Date: 5/30/00 11:02 am (ET) The German versions are very interesting from a technical translation point of view as so many of JKR's puns and wordplays are untranslatable. The evocative impact of the character's names is completely dimmed in German, for example... (Snape is SUCH a good name in English-- snake, snipe, snide, you can imagine "to snape" being a verb for "to be sarcastic and sneaky") BTW Tom Riddle's middle name in German is Vorlost. Tom Vorlost Riddle= Ist Lord Voldemort. That was pretty random, sorry about that. But to actually answer Neil's comment, I haven't seen any differences that can be attributed to cultural rather than linguistic causes. From morrigan09 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 15:08:00 2000 From: morrigan09 at yahoo.com (morrigan09 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:08:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1524 From: morrigan09 Subject: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 11:08 am (ET) Just some things I noticed: In book 1 Nick hasn't eaten for nearly 400 years, and then a year later he celebrates his 500th Deathday. The numbers don't add up-- at one Quidditch match there are 200 Slytherins, but as someone already calculated there are more like 70 people in each house, unless Harry's year is very small. Ten points for fighting a troll and then two hundred each for fighting the Basilisk? Points inflation is happening... I think there are probably just mistakes along the lines of ancestor/descendant but MAYBE they mean something... From pt4ever at yahoo.com Tue May 30 17:12:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:12:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1525 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1524] inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 1:12 pm (ET) >>> Ten points for fighting a troll and then two hundred each for fighting the Basilisk? Points inflation is happening... >>> Well, on the other hand, trolls have been portrayed as monsters who...uh...aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, :) whereas a Basilisk is the king of serpents, has the capability to kill with a mere glance, and are probably a lot harder to kill. Besides, Harry & Ron didn't just kill the Basilisk, they rescued Ginny and got rid of Lockhart. Heck, getting rid of Lockhart alone is worth 200 points!!!! :) BTW, speaking of Lockhart, how about the guy who played Prince Humperdink in "The Princess Bride"? I was thinking the other day that it's a shame Andre the Giant is dead; he would have been a terrific Hagrid. :) -- JoAnna From mewilliamson at yahoo.com Tue May 30 19:10:00 2000 From: mewilliamson at yahoo.com (mewilliamson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1526 From: mewilliamson Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1525] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 3:10 pm (ET) On the points for dealing with monsters, they might have gotten more for the basilisk because it had already gotten others. the troll hadn't actually done anything yet. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue May 30 19:20:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1527 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1526] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 3:20 pm (ET) The opening of the Chamber of Secrets and the presence of the basilisk was dangerous on a completely different scale than the troll. The basilisk had already attacked several students, heralding the return of the "Heir of Slytherin", and had captured Ginny. Everyone knew that it would have ultimately killed her had Harry not killed the basilisk. The school was on the brink of being shut down because of this monster, Hagrid was unjustly imprisoned, and Dumbledore was temorarily suspended as headmaster. Harry saved the whole school in this case-- kinda makes the troll look like a bad dog, don't you think? From estesrandy at yahoo.com Tue May 30 21:31:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:31:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1528 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1527] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 5:31 pm (ET) As a legal representative for the troll, I can firmly state that the slanderous statements being made on this message list about said troll are an outrage! My client feels that his reputation as a dangerous monster is being defamed. All further discussion about his ability to cause immanent danger to all the people at Hogwarts should cease and desist! Legal proceedings against Professor Dumbledore in regard to his unfair practices regarding point allocation to the protagonists are being explored to the fullest extent. From vikar25 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 21:45:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1529 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1528] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 5:45 pm (ET) Counselor, How do you explain your client's horrible stench? Regards, Vikar25 From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue May 30 22:08:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1530 From: davehoz Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1524] inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 6:08 pm (ET) Here is what I consider the most serious continuity error in the series: In book 2, Nearly Headless Nick's deathday cake says he died in 1492, implying that the party happened on Oct. 31, 1992. This and the date set for Buckbuck's appeal set the climatic events in Book 3 to June 6, 1994. JKR's narrative of Harry et al's Final Exam schedule indicate that this is a Thursday, and it must have been the night of a full moon, since Lupin transforms. But June 6, 1994 neither fell on a Thursday nor had a full moon, nor does June 6 of any year within ten years before or after! (And I assume that Book 1 couldn't have occured much before the 1990's or else Dudley's video games become anachronisms.) (Does anyone have access to a computer program that can find the nearest year with a full moon occuring on a Thursday in early June? Then "June *6*" can be assumed to be a bureaucratic typo on the Ministry of Magic document setting the date for the appeal, and the problem goes away.) However, my kudos to JKR for writing a book series with so relatively few inconsistencies. (The Oz Books are riddled with 'em!) From davehoz at yahoo.com Tue May 30 22:14:00 2000 From: davehoz at yahoo.com (davehoz at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Subject: "Yes, Muggle Minister" Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1531 From: davehoz Subject: "Yes, Muggle Minister" Date: 5/30/00 6:14 pm (ET) I wonder: Is the Ministry of Magic a whole government for the Wizarding World, or is it just one department in the Muggle Cabinent? From jenP_97 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:12:00 2000 From: jenP_97 at yahoo.com (jenP_97 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1532 From: jenP_97 Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1530] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 7:12 pm (ET) Whew. I didn't think anyone would do that much research to find inconsistencies in the books. Here's what I say to myself whenever I find one: "suspension of disbelief". I mean, come on. These kids are flying on brooms. Does anyone have a program that details the laws of physics that would account in ANY detail the possibility of a broom taking flight and being able to support a human being on it, let alone being steered? ;) Okay, okay, it's a completely different scenario, but I'm thinking I don't want J.K. Rowling to take another 6 months per book just making sure her dates are possible. ;) Heck, I wouldn't complain if she forgot that Harry's name was Harry - if she'd let me read the books 6 months early. ;) Jen Now that I reread this, it doesn't sound joking enough. Please insert adequate humor/sarcasm/joviality to make you laugh. ;) From babynick34 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:35:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1533 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1530] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 7:35 pm (ET) Oh no the date situation gets worse. I've been trying to calculate Harrys birthday... and it seems to depend on which date you take as your start. For example, you could use the information provided by the Death Day Party... or you could use things such as the Full Moon (though I think using astronomical events is pushing our luck a bit - after all, the location of Hogwarts is not known). You can also take info from POA to get a date. Friday 16th October is mentioned in POA (see Talons and Tea Leaves). So... anyone know when Harry was born? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:46:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1534 From: melaniem68 Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1533] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 7:46 pm (ET) <So... anyone know when Harry was born? > Going by the Deathday party, he was born July 31, 1980, and graduated Hogwarts in 1998. Today, he'd be 19, going on 20. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Tue May 30 23:53:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:53:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1535 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1532] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 7:53 pm (ET) I always thought riding a broom would be damned uncomfortable.... can you imagine the wedgie these kids must get??? --Suzanne From flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com Wed May 31 00:14:00 2000 From: flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com (flying_ford_anglia at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:14:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1536 From: flying_ford_anglia Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1530] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 8:14 pm (ET) "However, my kudos to JKR for writing a book series with so relatively few inconsistencies. (The Oz Books are riddled with 'em!)" I've just finished reading "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" and found it surprisingly thin, poorly-written and boring. The blurb describes it as L Frank Baum's "masterpiece". If that's true, I don't think I'll be chasing up his lesser works! I reckon the popularity and aura of the film made the Oz books seem like they ought to have been classics, when they weren't. There's an interesting contrast with the Harry Potter series, where we're questioning whether the film can possibly capture the phenomenal power of the books. Neil From cj_bsm at yahoo.com Wed May 31 01:31:00 2000 From: cj_bsm at yahoo.com (cj_bsm at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:31:00 -0400 Subject: Ministry of Magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1537 From: cj_bsm Subject: Re: Ministry of Magic Reply To: [Yahoo! #1531] "Yes, Muggle Minister" Date: 5/30/00 9:31 pm (ET) If you follow Lori Summer's fanfic "Paradigm of Uncertainty" (highly recommended by the way) you would believe there is an International Federation of Wizards, and a Southern Pacific Magical Congress,and that the Ministry of Magic is the British governing body. cj From Danemead at yahoo.com Wed May 31 01:43:00 2000 From: Danemead at yahoo.com (Danemead at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Subject: inconsistencies Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1538 From: Danemead Subject: Re: inconsistencies Reply To: [Yahoo! #1532] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 9:43 pm (ET) Yes, this IS an alternate universe we are arguing about! It doesn't really matter if THEIR full moons coincide with OUR full moons. I remember watching a movie once about a cop who was a vampire, and sitting there thinking, "Yeah right! How could a vampire go through police training in the daytime?" Then thinking, "Um... Hello, Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore." From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed May 31 03:27:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:27:00 -0400 Subject: Troll Odors Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1539 From: estesrandy Subject: Troll Odors Reply To: [Yahoo! #1529] Re: inconsistencies Date: 5/30/00 11:27 pm (ET) My client is deeply offended by your lack of sensitivity. It is well known that trolls are forced to live in some of the most squalid conditions. The odors are difficult if not impossible to remove from one's clothing. Besides, the Basilisk which lives in the decaying pipes of the Hogwarts bathrooms probably doesn't smell too good either ! Regarding all of this talk about the exact date of the full moon and the day of the week on a particular date in history is quite irrelevant. The development of the story is the most important thing. The attention to detail is not the only consideration when writing a story. Not only are we discussing a fantasy story; these are supposed to be kid's books !!! If Rowling hasn't done a good job, then why are you reading her books for the third time trying to find inconsistancies. From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 11:15:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:15:00 -0400 Subject: Modern Day Witches Charmed by HP Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1540 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Modern Day Witches Charmed by HP Date: 5/31/00 7:15 am (ET) Posted on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2000/books/news/05/30/potter.witches.ap/ I was proud to see one of my friends quoted at the end of the article! Yay!! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 11:56:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:56:00 -0400 Subject: Another Article: Harry Potter's magic Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1541 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Another Article: Harry Potter's magic Date: 5/31/00 7:56 am (ET) Ah, and I found this one on the net as well! http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0001/reviews/jacobs.html From cookie82059 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 12:42:00 2000 From: cookie82059 at yahoo.com (cookie82059 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:42:00 -0400 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1542 From: cookie82059 Subject: New Member Date: 5/31/00 8:42 am (ET) Hello, I was a new member but after reading all the messages where all you do is find out what is wrong with the book, I dont think I am interested in your club. I have a handi-capped son who enjoys me reading these books to him and I also enjoy the books, I dont try to pick out all the problems with the book . Thanks From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:15:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Subject: Miscellaneous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1543 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Miscellaneous Date: 5/31/00 9:15 am (ET) Hi: I'm finally back in town and thinking I have time to start posting about some of the recent discussions. Welcome to our new members (I really like the flying_ford_anglia yahoo id -- how clever!)! Thoughts on the "Inconsistencies" subject line: 1. I'm always interested in picking them out -- delving into the details is part of debating great literature. I honestly don't know why people like Cookie feel the need to post their intention to withdraw from the club (I mean why not just say to yourself, "this isn't for me" and leave it at that instead of trying to make the rest of us feel guilty for engaging in a debate that is fun for those of us participating. There may be lots of members of the club who feel like remaining as members but don't have a desire to debate logical inconsistencies and that's perfectly fine.). Anyway . . . I'll leave that point; it's just a sore point with me. 2. We've debated the number of students at Hogwarts issue before, and it seems we concluded that there are probably at least 280 students at the school as a whole (70 per house). But, remember, that it is unlikely that there are exactly 10 students per year per house. And, I'm honestly not convinced there are 10 Gryffindors in Harry's class year (I only know of 3 girls -- Hermione, Lavender & Pavarti). 3. Good catch on the 400 years since last ate and the 500 yr Death Day anniversary -- I had never picked up on that one. I wonder if that would change the analysis I did on Harry's birthdate. I came up with 31 July 1980 and gleaned the 1980 from the fact that NH Nick was celebrating 500 yr Death Day and died in 1492 (making the action in CoS in 1992-93). 4. I don't think that JKR checked the calendar when setting dates (such as Thur June 6, 1994 or Fri Oct 16, 1993). I happen to know that the 16th of Oct in 1993 was a Sat, because that was my wedding day. I'm not sure we should expect that she checked that closely into things. She may never have intended that we would figure out what year the action was taking place in (or she might have checked dates). BTW, I think I won the last trivia quiz/game and I've fallen down on the job of getting a new activity posted. I will do that, but it will be tomorrow at the earliest. Was my last installment of the Story so terrible that no one could pick it up? <g> That's it for now -- Penny From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:15:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:15:00 -0400 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1544 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: New Member Reply To: [Yahoo! #1542] New Member Date: 5/31/00 9:15 am (ET) Actually, with the exception of this stint, the main topic of conversation has been "Who would you cast in the Harry Potter Movie?". I find this interesting, because readers can always put a different face with the character. For example, my wife has always pictured a young Basil Rathbone as Snape when she read the books. That image worked for me until someone else had suggested Rowan Atkinson which works much better. I'm sorry that this club did not float your boat. Regards, vikar25 From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:19:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: Another Article: Harry Potter's magi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1545 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Another Article: Harry Potter's magi Reply To: [Yahoo! #1541] Another Article: Harry Potter's magic Date: 5/31/00 9:19 am (ET) Hi: I had read that firstthings.com article before and really really enjoyed it. I highly recommend it (particularly for those of you who might have an interest in debating the moral themes of the books, this theologian author makes some excellent points to use against the HP critics). I find some good articles get posted to the following site (HP & Culture & Religion): http://www.cesnur.org/recens/potter_00.htm That's where I first ran into that firsthings article. Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:22:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:22:00 -0400 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1546 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: New Member Reply To: [Yahoo! #1544] Re: New Member Date: 5/31/00 9:22 am (ET) Even in this recent discussion of detail, I have not had the impression that people were picking on the author or criticising the book. I certainly have not gotten the impression that anyone wants to ruin the fun for someone's child! Quite the opposite-- I think this luxuriating in and fussing about detail and wondering about the smallest things is just another way of relishing something you love! A number of us are writers, and writers really do eat this stuff up. When I was a child I was a Sherlock Homes fan, and my friends and I used to do the same things with those stories-- reading them over and over and wondering did he or didn't he with Irene Adler,a dn what kind of pipe did he really smoke. We would look up old maps of England and fuss about exactly where things took place, etc. This is a mark of fandom-- which is all about love, and is the highest compliment to the writer and the books. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:27:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:27:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1547 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Casting Date: 5/31/00 9:27 am (ET) Hi: > Actually, with the exception of this stint, the > main topic of conversation has been "Who would you cast in the Harry Potter Movie?". Uhh . . . I hope that playing casting agent hasn't been (and won't become) the *main* topic of discussion. I do enjoy it (although I *never* know any of the actors/actresses suggested by most of you). But, I prefer debating the finer points of the books myself. <g> Penny From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 13:30:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:30:00 -0400 Subject: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1548 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Date: 5/31/00 9:30 am (ET) She assists Dumbledore with teh administration of Hogwarts and with admissions (sending out all those owls!). She is responsible for disciplining and being house parent to all of Gryffindor (75ish students in all), with only a prefect to help out. On top of this, she has to teach Transfiguration, the most difficult of subjects, to EVERYONE. Let's see..... hmmmm... that is seven different syllabi and lessons plans for seven different levels, four sections each (for each of the four houses), all of which is seven times the workload I ever had when I was a teacher! Geeeeezzz!! How does she do it guys? I do hope she has a relaxing summer on the Riviera to look forward to at least!! From vikar25 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 14:38:00 2000 From: vikar25 at yahoo.com (vikar25 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:38:00 -0400 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1549 From: vikar25 Subject: Re: Casting Reply To: [Yahoo! #1547] Casting Date: 5/31/00 10:38 am (ET) >Uhh . . . I hope that playing casting agent hasn't been (and won't become) the *main* topic of discussion. I do enjoy it (although I *never* know any of the actors/actresses suggested by most of you). But, I prefer debating the finer points of the books myself. <g> Of course not. Merely a point of interest, nothing more. The reason that this club is Harry Potter for Grown Ups is that there are adults that enjoy the fantasy genre that can see finer points that most children cannot. I would compare this set of stories to be grouped with J.R.R. Tolkien and the like. Plus we get to enjoy at least 4 more books. Kid are not the only ones that have a need to escape. Regards, vikar25 From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed May 31 16:51:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1550 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1548] Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Date: 5/31/00 12:51 pm (ET) >>> She assists Dumbledore with teh administration of Hogwarts and with admissions (sending out all those owls!). She is responsible for disciplining and being house parent to all of Gryffindor (75ish students in all), with only a prefect to help out. >>> Which brings up another question...how many prefects are there? I don't know if there's only one per house, because in CoS (I think) Mrs. Weasley says to Fred and George, "I notice that you two weren't made prefects this year," implying that there can be more than one. Maybe there are more prefects, but we just hear about Percy. :) Also, McGonagall does have magic to help her out. I'm sure all it takes for those letters is a wave of a wand and *poof*! They're done. Or maybe the other professors write the letters and McGonagall merely signs her name to them. -- JoAnna From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed May 31 16:59:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:59:00 -0400 Subject: Another Article: Harry Potter's magi Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1551 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Another Article: Harry Potter's magi Reply To: [Yahoo! #1541] Another Article: Harry Potter's magic Date: 5/31/00 12:59 pm (ET) You know, I just can't understand all the controversy about religious messages in Harry Potter. Sometimes I just feeling like screaming, "IT'S FANTASY. IT'S NOT REAL. GET OVER IT." it's the job of the parent to teach their kid to distinguish between fantasy and reality. If their child can't do that, and insists that witchcraft is real (in the sense of flying broomsticks, magic wands, etc.) it's the fault of the parent. My aunt reads Harry Potter to her third-grade class and, as far as I know, she has not had one parent complain. You know, I had a big controversy similar to what Harry Potter books are facing in one of my other online groups...a girl who practiced Wicca wanted to join, and my best friend was dead-set against it because she firmly believed with all of her heart that Wiccanism was witchcraft, and since the Bible said witchcraft was wrong, she wouldn't be a decent Christian if she voted for this girl to join. We had our first knock-down drag-out fight about it. I'm a Christian too, but my personal belief is that it's not my place to judge, it's God's, and all I can do in the meantime is love my neighbor as myself. My friend later left the group because the rest of us voted yes, (and we're still friends, BTW) but I'm having major flashbacks. *whew* Thanks for letting me vent. Sorry if I offended anyone. :) -- JoAnna From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 18:26:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:26:00 -0400 Subject: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1552 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Reply To: [Yahoo! #1550] Re: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Date: 5/31/00 2:26 pm (ET) I was wondering about how many prefects there were. There would have to be more than one per house, I would think! I remember Percy said to his mother that the prefects had two cars (or was it compartments?) reserved for themselves on the train-- even two compartments would be an awful lot for only four prefects. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 19:45:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:45:00 -0400 Subject: Miscellaneous Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1553 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Reply To: [Yahoo! #1543] Miscellaneous Date: 5/31/00 3:45 pm (ET) Hi Penny and all 1. Fully agree with Penny. While some people here may not like us picking out the inconsistancies, it is meant to be fun... it's not serious. We are all bored... we have a month to wait - we need something to do. 2. While rereading POA, I've been thinking about the number of students issue again. In Diviniation, there are a large number of tables for students to sit around. Why so many tables, if classes are never that large. However, I feel a number around 300 does sound about right - as when I went to prep school, and then senior school (both private schools here in the UK) there were around that number of pupils in the senior school (age 11-17) 3. Still not sure about this Birthdate business. It seems to depend a lot on what you take as your starting point. 4. I don't think so either... coz if you use the dates it does not produce a consistant date. Then again, maybe nothing will. Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 19:54:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:54:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1554 From: babynick34 Subject: Fandom Date: 5/31/00 3:54 pm (ET) Hi all. Someone raised a very good point... Fandom, when we pick at the books, we show ourselfs as true fans. There still remains no Official Worldwide Fan Club for the Harry Potter series. I am a member of the Bloomsbury Publishing Official Harry Potter Fan Club... and to say I'm disapointed by what you get when you join is an understatement. If I am able to convice Jo that setting up an offical worldwide fan club is a good idea, who here would support such a thing? The club would need volunteers in different countries to recieve post, and send out information. And also to organise events for fans, writing newsletters etc. If you think running a fan club is up your street, please email me with your location (not your full address, just Nearest City, State/County, and Country. For example, mine would be London, London, England). Even if you don't fancy helping run such a club... if you could join a Fan Club, what would you expect the fan club to do? Please email me directly at: nick at nicmit.com Many thanks Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 20:01:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:01:00 -0400 Subject: WB Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1555 From: babynick34 Subject: WB Store Date: 5/31/00 4:01 pm (ET) I am NOT HAPPY. Today I went to my nearest Warner Bros Store (in Kingston, Surrey, England) and found that the Harry Potter mugs and T-Shirts were NOT available. In fact, the store staff knew nothing about their existance! WBSTORE.COM has these items available, and told me in an email where some of the UK stores were. Now I don't know what Jo has agreed to in terms of the distribution of promotional items, but I am not impressed that the US has these items before the UK, considering that the Harry Potter books are UK thing origionally. Warner Brothers UK, WBSTORE.COM will both be recieving a letter of complaint from myself. I don't expect they will care - but you never know, miricles might happen. At least WBSTORE could offer to send the items post free to me - after all they told me they had stores in the UK (I will of course pay for the items, plus customs charges). But, I doubt they will do that. On the WBSTORE site, it says the items are IMPORTED. Anyone know where they are imported from? Nick - Unhappy with WBros yet again! From rainy_lilac at yahoo.com Wed May 31 20:08:00 2000 From: rainy_lilac at yahoo.com (rainy_lilac at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:08:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1556 From: rainy_lilac Subject: Re: Fandom Reply To: [Yahoo! #1554] Fandom Date: 5/31/00 4:08 pm (ET) Nick says: "If I am able to convice Jo...." Yeegads!! Do you actually get to talk to her??? *looking at you with glazed puppy-dog eyes* --Suzanne From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 20:24:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1557 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Fandom Reply To: [Yahoo! #1556] Re: Fandom Date: 5/31/00 4:24 pm (ET) Suzanne wrote: >Yeegads!! >Do you actually get to talk to her??? No such luck... I don't get to 'talk' to her... I only get to talk to Fily her PA, in Scotland. (Yes, Jo is so busy now, she employs a PA). However, when I have written to Jo... she has replied back herself (rather than getting Fily to reply), which is nice - though I do find her handwriting a little hard to read. As Jo has said on interviews, she perfers a Pen to a computer. And NO... I can't give you the number, before you ask. Nick. From darwin_nyc at yahoo.com Wed May 31 21:32:00 2000 From: darwin_nyc at yahoo.com (darwin_nyc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:32:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1558 From: darwin_nyc Subject: Re: Fandom Reply To: [Yahoo! #1557] Re: Fandom Date: 5/31/00 5:32 pm (ET) >And NO...I can't give you the number, before you ask. Well of course you can't give it to us before we ask, you have to wait until AFTER we ask. So, can I have the number? From melaniem68 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 21:39:00 2000 From: melaniem68 at yahoo.com (melaniem68 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:39:00 -0400 Subject: Nitpicking thread Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1559 From: melaniem68 Subject: Nitpicking thread Date: 5/31/00 5:39 pm (ET) Like Penny and Nick, I love checking on details of the books, even finding the nits. I assure you all, I mean absolutely no disrespect for Rowling or her work when I do this. In fact, I think noticing these things is a compliment; it means we love the books enough to read them over and over, giving them thorough attention. For those of you who enjoy that sort of thing, and are into certain Sci-Fi TV, may I recommend "The Nitpicker's Guide" books by Phil Farrand? He has at least one inch-thick paperback book of gaffes on each of the "Star Trek" series (except possibly "Voyager"), and one on the "X-Files." I'd love to see what he'd do with the Harry Potter series! Also, check out www.harrypotterfans.net. It has a whole section on possible mistakes, as well as potential explanations for some of them. From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:08:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:08:00 -0400 Subject: WB Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1560 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: WB Store Reply To: [Yahoo! #1555] WB Store Date: 5/31/00 6:08 pm (ET) Hi: <Today I went to my nearest Warner Bros Store (in Kingston, Surrey, England) and found that the Harry Potter mugs and T-Shirts were NOT available. In fact, the store staff knew nothing about their existance!> WHAT Harry Potter mugs and T-shirts?? I was just in the UK early in May and scouted around for any unique HP items (didn't find nary a one). There are some HP mugs and T-shirts being sold on ebay right now, but I suspected they were not official. There's actually already a fair bit of HP black-market stuff trading on ebay -- I'm totally surprised they haven't been shut down by Warner Bros. or Mattel. Elaborate please Nick -- are these items on ebay the same thing you are referring to? Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:12:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:12:00 -0400 Subject: Prefects Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1561 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Prefects Reply To: [Yahoo! #1550] Re: Work load: How does Minerva do it??? Date: 5/31/00 6:12 pm (ET) Hi: I think there are definitely more prefects than just one per house. The 2 compartments on the Hogwarts is one bit of evidence. Plus, aren't the Head Boy & Head Girl chosen from the ranks of the prefects? And, Percy was a prefect in his 5th & 6th years, which suggests that at the very least there must be one prefect for each house in each of yrs 5-7 (based on Percy's overachiever status, I imagine he was made a prefect at the earliest point possible). My guess is that there are 4-8 prefects per house. Maybe our UK members can add their thoughts. Penny From plinsenmayer at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:15:00 2000 From: plinsenmayer at yahoo.com (plinsenmayer at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:15:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1562 From: plinsenmayer Subject: Re: Fandom Reply To: [Yahoo! #1557] Re: Fandom Date: 5/31/00 6:15 pm (ET) Nick: Can I at least ask for the address where you're writing her? I wouldn't *call* her, even if you gave me the number (I'd be way too tongue-tied), but I'd sure write. Penny From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:36:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:36:00 -0400 Subject: WB Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1563 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: WB Store Reply To: [Yahoo! #1560] Re: WB Store Date: 5/31/00 6:36 pm (ET) OK, for those of you who have not found it yet http://www.wbstore.com Follow the Link to Harry Potter - and you will find that you can buy an Hogwarts Mug, HP Logo Mug, Kids Slytherin Tshirt, Adult Gryffindor Tshirt, Kids Hufflepuff Tshirt, Kids Ravenclaw Tshirt etc. Shipping is done using Express USPS in the US, and by Fedex for International. I don't know if WB Stores in the US also carry these items yet, or if it's just available OnLine. Certainly UK stores (well, Kingston at least) have no clue what they even are! Nick. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:39:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:39:00 -0400 Subject: Fandom Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1564 From: babynick34 Subject: Re: Fandom Reply To: [Yahoo! #1562] Re: Fandom Date: 5/31/00 6:39 pm (ET) Sure... Fan Mail should be addressed to: J K Rowling PO BOX 27036 Edinburgh EH10 5WB United Kingdom You might be lucky and get a personal reply from Jo, if she's not too busy. From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:49:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:49:00 -0400 Subject: Unofficial Merchandise Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1565 From: babynick34 Subject: Unofficial Merchandise Date: 5/31/00 6:49 pm (ET) Penny raised the issue of Unofficial Merchandise on Ebay. HARRY POTTER 22K GOLD Logo Mug NEW! Item #342869978 This is the Official Logo Mug being sold by WBSTORE.COM Retail price: $8. On Ebay when I looked, Bid was up to $17.50 Cheaper to buy from WBStore. The Muggles For Harry Potter Button appears to have been produced by the American Booksellers Foundation. I suspect they must have got permission from Scoolastic, but who knows. Tshirts also appear to be the same ones on WBStore.com site. Anyone know if WBStore has supply problems on these items - some ads on Ebay say things such as NEW RARE. I suspect WBStore has plenty of stock, it's just that not many people know about the Online store existing. Nick. From pt4ever at yahoo.com Wed May 31 22:53:00 2000 From: pt4ever at yahoo.com (pt4ever at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:53:00 -0400 Subject: Nitpicking thread Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1566 From: pt4ever Subject: Re: Nitpicking thread Reply To: [Yahoo! #1559] Nitpicking thread Date: 5/31/00 6:53 pm (ET) >>> For those of you who enjoy that sort of thing, and are into certain Sci-Fi TV, may I recommend "The Nitpicker's Guide" books by Phil Farrand? He has at least one inch-thick paperback book of gaffes on each of the "Star Trek" series (except possibly "Voyager"), and one on the "X-Files." I'd love to see what he'd do with the Harry Potter series! >>> Actually, Phil did nitpick Voyager until the...fifth season, I think. Maybe the fourth. However, he stopped because he was afraid that he would get sued by Viacom/Paramount due to the fact that his books weren't a trademarked part of Paramount -- or something like that. I was depressed, because I love his Nitpicker books! Anyway, you can still read what reviews he did do of Voyager at his website, http://www.nitcentral.com/ You can also find his e-mail address, and maybe contact him about Nitpicking the HP series...? :) Apologizing for the nearly-pointless post, -- JoAnna From babynick34 at yahoo.com Wed May 31 23:03:00 2000 From: babynick34 at yahoo.com (babynick34 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:03:00 -0400 Subject: Buying on Ebay / Amazon / Online Auction Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1567 From: babynick34 Subject: Buying on Ebay / Amazon / Online Auction Date: 5/31/00 7:03 pm (ET) Hi all Just in case some of you want to venture in to buying items on the Online Auctions... thought I would let you know of my experiences. As some of you will know (and others will no doubt not be surprised to hear), I have in my posession signed books, some of which are First Edition. These I have brought on-line through Amazon auctions, where a specialist bookseller has setup shop. My experence to date is very good... as I use the same supplier all the time, there is not a problem. I have yet to venture to using untrusted suppliers. Tips: Look for items which have pictures. Then you can see what you are buying. Purchase using Credit Card. NEVER SEND CASH. Check with the seller the delivery costs BEFORE bidding. Look at the sellers other items... are they similar? Does the seller just sell Signed First Edition books for example. If so, email the seller and ask about their 'business'. An honest seller will tell you that they are in fact a 'business' and use Amazon/Ebay to accept Credit Card payments. Think before you click... is the price reflective of the value of the goods? If the offer is 'too good to be true' then it probably is. Just my thoughts about buying from the online auctions. I've always got the goods I have paid for, and they have always arrived (even transatlatic) in mint condition. Auctions are fun... and you can get things that you would not normally get from a regular bookstore or shop. If in doubt about anything that appears on the auctions, email the seller. Nick. From estesrandy at yahoo.com Wed May 31 23:49:00 2000 From: estesrandy at yahoo.com (estesrandy at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Subject: WB Store Message-ID: Original Yahoo! HPFG Header: No: HPFGUIDX C1568 From: estesrandy Subject: Re: WB Store Reply To: [Yahoo! #1555] WB Store Date: 5/31/00 7:49 pm (ET) I guess that makes you Clearly Shirtless Nick !